IT TAKES SOME TIME BUT, I HAVE 10-11 LOCAL STANDARD & 5 DIGITAL. WE WILL SOON HAVE 2 MORE WHEN THEY GO TO HI POWER. IF YOU HAVE NONE I THINK IT GOES QUICKER. HIT START THEN IT ASKS IF YOU WANT TO SKIP CABLE. WITH THE LOCALS I HAVE TAKES 20 MIN. WHEN I FIRST GOT MY SET I HAD NOTHING ON IT . I THINK ITS FASTER & KNOWS YOU DONT HAVE ANYTHING ON THE INPUT R.F. EXT. ANTENNA & CABLE. WHEN I TRIED THE 610 WE I THINK IT ASKED DO YOU WANT TO DO IT LATER & IT STOPED BUGGING YOU EVERYTIME YOU TURN IT ON...

Tom

My mistake, I meant to say user menu instead of service menu.

Yes , User menu under channel line up....g.b.

Well I Finally Recieved my 60 XBR!!! ;)
I Wish I could of watched it, Turned it on, something!!!
But I kept in the Box till I move back in... 2-3 weeks!!!
Can't wait to see this puppy in action... lol

I've had my 60XBR950 for a about week now. Everything has been great -- until today. Now when I turn on the TV there are some strange colors going across the the entire width of the screen, from the top of the screen to a few inches down (it looks similar to when a TV needs to be demagnitized, but it is only at the top of the screen).

It lasts for around 10 minutes, then POOF, it's gone... and everything looks fine again.

Any idea what this is and/or how to correct it? If something is wrong with this unit, I'd like to get it fixed or replaced while it is still new.

Thanks...

Uh-oh... now the weird colors came back while the TV was on! They are a blueish/purple color, and seem to be flickering (sort of).

Now I'm getting worried. Anyone know what is causing this to happen??

Originally posted by netspots
Uh-oh... now the weird colors came back while the TV was on! They are a blueish/purple color, and seem to be flickering (sort of).

Now I'm getting worried. Anyone know what is causing this to happen??

Send it back, get a new one. If you've only had it for a week the retailer should have no problem doing an exchange.

I'm assuming this happens on all source material - e.g. make sure it isn't your dvd player....

Originally posted by Gruber
I'm assuming this happens on all source material - e.g. make sure it isn't your dvd player....
Good point. Okay, NOW I've tested the different sources (thanks for pointing that out).

I'm using a digital splitter on the coax cable, with one line going to the TV's "cable" input, the other going first to the cable box, then to the VCR, then to the TV's "uhf/vhf" input. I use the "ANT" button to switch back and forth, although I really only use this for the split-screen view.

Anyway, the "cable" line seems to be okay. No discoloration. The "uhf/vhf" line, however, DOES have the discoloration.

Here's the weird part: I was on the SD input, so I switched over to the HD input. It looked fine -- no weird colors. Then I switched back to the SD input, and guess what -- the colors are gone from there now too. Now they're not on HD, AND not on SD.

What gives? Keep in mind that all this weird stuff just started happening today. For the past week, everything has been perfect. But now I'm not sure how long it'll be till the colors come back.

Any ideas?

Ugghhh... the weird colors are back.

It is possible for a cable box to suddenly go bad, and display these problems?? or does this sound like something else??

Another strange fact: I used the VCR to record the signal that has the colors on the top of the screen. But when I play back the tape, the colors are NOT there.

Does that make any sense to anyone?

(By the way, sorry for all the posts, but this is driving me nutty!)

>> Does your VCR have svideo out? Is the cable box SD or HD and what kind of outputs are available?

The VCR: no s-video, it only has "regular" rca cables

The cable box: it's a Motorola 6200, HD box. It's using component cables. The DVI output it has is not operational (per Cox cable).

>> Sounds to me that either your VCR or your cable box is causing your problem.

I'm really hoping it's the cable box and NOT the TV, since it would be much easier to just swap the box.

>> For clarification...

Actually, I was wrong about the VCR cables -- they are for the audio, not video. Duh. The setup is exactly as shown in the Sony book: cable-in is split, with one line going straight into the TV, and the other line going into the cable box, then out of the cable box and into the VCR (via coax), then out of the VCR into the TV (also via coax).

The cable box also has component video cables going into the TV. I'm assuming this must be for the HD, since I have to switch inputs for HDTV.

>> By the way, double check your cables. Could be something got pulled partially loose and is being intermittant

Hmmm... That could be. Let's hope that's all it is! :-) Thanks.

Originally posted by netspots
>> For clarification...

Actually, I was wrong about the VCR cables -- they are for the audio, not video. Duh. The setup is exactly as shown in the Sony book: cable-in is split, with one line going straight into the TV, and the other line going into the cable box, then out of the cable box and into the VCR (via coax), then out of the VCR into the TV (also via coax).

The cable box also has component video cables going into the TV. I'm assuming this must be for the HD, since I have to switch inputs for HDTV.

>> By the way, double check your cables. Could be something got pulled partially loose and is being intermittant

Hmmm... That could be. Let's hope that's all it is! :-) Thanks.
My take on this would be to recommend using composite cables from the VCR to the TV instead of re-broadcasting the VCR on channel 3 (or 4) for the uhf/vhf input. Does the group agree?

It doesn't surpirse me that you are getting strange signals on that kind of three-unit pass-thru situation. Especially if you are using RG-59 instead of RG-6 or RG-6U. I bet you've even got quick connectors instead of screw-on for some of those runs.

Hookup the VCR to VIDEO 1, 2 or 3 using the composite cables. Don't use a coax cable for the uhf/vhf input. Leave that one open and use a small UHF antenna (rabbit ears, or attic-style) to pull in the OTA HD channels. I suppose if your cable company carries ALL of the local HD signals there would be no advantage, but in my situation, the cable only carries two out of the five local HD broadcasts.

One more thing - Be sure to run a scan for digital channels on the regular cable input. There is a chance that some of the HD channels are broadcast in clear-QAM, and the Sony will find them.

Originally posted by JimP
Do you only see the color effect you've described when the VCR is turned on with that input active on the TV?
No, the VCR being on (or off) has no affect on the colors what-so-ever.

Originally posted by JimP
So you're saying is that the colors show up on the leg off of the splitter that goes directly to the TV.
No. Sorry if I made this confusing...

Both lines go through the splitter. Then:

The colors are showing up on the leg that goes through the cable box and vcr.

The other leg (the one that goes into the TV after going through the splitter) is fine.

Netspots:

O.K., I think I got it. If its not a loose cable, then use a composit video cable (that would be one of the cables with RCA connectors on the ends)between the VCR and the TV.

(I was about ready to offer to fly to CA for a housecall. lol)

P.S. I think I'll go back and delete my earlier post to help keep this tread a little shorter.

>> If its not a loose cable, then use a composit video cable (that would be one of the cables with RCA connectors on the ends)between the VCR and the TV.

Forgive my ignorance here, but something doesn't seem right. Doesn't the signal from the cable box (which then goes into the VCR) *have* to go into the cable input on the TV (in this case the "uhf/vhf" input)?

By the way, the setup I have is the same setup as described on page 34 of the Operating Instructions -- in case a picture might help.

>> (I was about ready to offer to fly to CA for a housecall. lol)

Come on over! It's a beautiful day today. :-)

Ahaaa!!!! It's too soon to tell for sure yet, but I think I *may* have found the problem!

When checking for loose cables, I remembered that I ran the 2nd coax line from the splitter into the SURGE PROTECTOR, then out of the surge protector into the cable box, VCR, TV.

I decided to try running the setup without the surge protector in the loop, and the color problem seems to be gone! I can't be too optimistic yet, since this was an intermittent problem (it could come back any minute now), but I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

Ironically, I had gone thru the surge protector because I thought it would CLEAN the signal. Looks like it may have done just the opposite. Go figure...

Damn. That wasn't it. It's back.

Ugghhh.... I'm very frustrated...

Originally posted by netspots
>> If its not a loose cable, then use a composit video cable (that would be one of the cables with RCA connectors on the ends)between the VCR and the TV.

Forgive my ignorance here, but something doesn't seem right. Doesn't the signal from the cable box (which then goes into the VCR) *have* to go into the cable input on the TV (in this case the "uhf/vhf" input)?

By the way, the setup I have is the same setup as described on page 34 of the Operating Instructions -- in case a picture might help.

>> (I was about ready to offer to fly to CA for a housecall. lol)

Come on over! It's a beautiful day today. :-)
Sunny and 73 in Iowa, but we might get snow before Friday...

OK, I downloaded the manual in PDF since I don't have it handy. I assume it's pretty close to the same as the one that comes with the TV. On page 34, they show 6 connections. It sounds like you have done everything according to that picture, but I don't that this is the optimal setup.

Does your STB have component-out (Y-Pb-Pr, or Y-Cb-Cr)? I thought you said so before. That connection is not shown in this picture. If you have it, you should be running a component cable from the STB to VIDEO5, or 6 on the TV. The RCA plugs for component are green, blue, red, not yellow, white, red. And you should get a good quality cable for this.

If you add this connection, we'll call "hookup 7", from the Cable STB directly to the TV, then you no longer need "hookup 6" in this picture.

Using "hookup 6" instead of "hookup 7" as they have indicated in this picture completely defeats the whole purpose of digital cable. All of your beautiful digital cable is getting re-broadcast over a coax line to channel 3 or 4 at 480i after going thru a digital-to-analog conversion inside the STB. What a watse!

You still need "hookup 5" in the diagram from the VCR to VIDEO1, 2 or 3 on the TV (either composite or S-Video). Which you said you already have.

With this setup, your scrambled digital cable channels will only show on VIDEO5 or 6, the unscrambled channels (digital and analog) will show on the regular TV input, and when you want to watch recorded shows or tapes on the VCR, they will come in on Video1, 2 or 3.

So the VCR stays on channel 3 or 4 for recording.

Now you can do PiP and TwinView on the regular cable input line, and also your favorites should work. Then you only need VIDEO 5 or 6 to watch scrambled cable.

And now that you've freed-up the uhf/vhf plug, you can get a UHF antenna to plug in there so you can pull in the local high-def OTA broadcasts. You will not believe Jay Leno in HD!

EDIT - The "hookup 7" I mentioned from the STB to VIDEO5 or 6 would be similar to the hookup pictured on page 40, were they are connecting a DVD player with component-out to VIDEO5. Most people don't connect audio to the TV from any other devices, they usually go to their receiver or amp. The audio connections are completely your choice, according to your needs/wants.

EDIT AGAIN - After re-reading some of your earlier posts, it sounds like you already have my "hookup 7", so I just don't understand what "hookup 6" buys you in terms of viewing things you don't already have on regular TV and VIDEO5 or 6.

Let's all get on the same page as far as terminology. The INPUT button on the remote switches you between VIDEO 1 thru 7 and TV. The ANT button on the remote switches the "TV Source" between the two coax inputs on the back of the TV labelled "VHF\UHF" and "CABLE". When my TV's "TV Source" is set to "CABLE", I get the letter "C" in front of each channel. When TV Source is set to "VHF\UHF", I get no "C".

So, put your TV on "TV", and get the "TV Source" set to "CABLE". Using CH + and CH -, what do you see? Do you get regular (unscrambled) cable channels? Did you do both analog and digital channel scan on this input? Turn off all other devices besides the TV. You should see no change at all to your ability to view channels.

Now set your TV to VIDEO5 or 6 and turn on the cable STB. The cable STB is now in control of the channel being watched. Can't you get all cable channels, including scrambled channels by using the CH+ and CH- on the STB?

Now turn on the VCR, set it to Channel 3 (or 4). Set the TV to VIDEO1, 2 or 3. The STB is still in control of what you are seeing on the TV. If you play a tape, it will show here. In order for the VCR to record a show, the STB has to be set to the right channel, and the VCR should be on CH3 (or 4).

Now explain to me what "hookup 6" gets you. I don't understand why you would want or need this hookup if you have "hookup 7".

Countz -- now I have a headache. :-)

I *THINK* I already have everything set up the way you suggest for optimal setup...

Is "STB" the cable box? If so, then YES, I already have component cables going from the HD cable box (Motorola DCT6200) into VIDEO 5 of the TV. But it ALSO has the coax cable going into the VCR then into the uhf/vhf (shown as Hookup 6).

So, if I want to watch an HD channel (like NBC in HD for Jay Leno) I hit the TV/VIDEO button to Video 5 and turn the channel to 704 (instead of 4). If I want to watch a NON-HD channel I hit the TV/VIDEO button to a non-numbered input (it doesn't seem to have a number) and turn the channel to whatever.

Why use both hookups? If I try to watch a non-HD channel while on VIDEO 5 input, it looks like crap. If I watch non-HD on the other input, it looks great.

Yes, I have what is shown as Hookup 6 (using composite rca cables -- the VCR doesn't have an S-video connector).

Also, a DVD player is setup as shown on page 40.

Is this correct, per your suggestion? or did I miss something?

Originally posted by netspots
Yes, I have what is shown as Hookup 6 (using composite rca cables -- the VCR doesn't have an S-video connector).

I think you mean "hookup 5", not "hookup 6". "Hookup 5" would be your composite cable (yellow, red, white) from the VCR to the TV. "Hookup 6" is the one I still don't understand.

I re-edited my earlier post on the prior page, you might want to go back and re-read it again at the bottom.

Bottom-line is: Are there scrambled digital channels that look like crap on VIDEO5 that are not available to you on the regular TV hookup thru the "CABLE" connector? If so, then that is why you need "hookup 6".

I don't know why *ANY* channels should look like crap on VIDEO5. Perhaps your STB (yes, I mean the cable box, "STB" is short for Set-Top-Box and refers to any kind of digital cable or sattelite box required for your particular subscription situation) is defective.

Thanks for the terminology help. I think I'm with you on everything you said:

>> So, put your TV on "TV", and get the "TV Source" set to "CABLE". Using CH + and CH -, what do you see? Do you get regular (unscrambled) cable channels?

Yes.

>> Did you do both analog and digital channel scan on this input?

Yes. After doing the Digital Scan, I also now see what must be the Digital Channels (like 100.1, 100.2, etc.) -- but I frankly have no idea what "channels" they are. Some say "Now Tuning" then (after a delay) display a picture, others say "Now Tuning" then (after a delay) say "No Signal". It's kind of a hassle because of the delay. Are these channels "worth" anything?

>> Now set your TV to VIDEO5 or 6 and turn on the cable STB. The cable STB is now in control of the channel being watched. Can't you get all cable channels, including scrambled channels by using the CH+ and CH- on the STB?

As long as I use the STB remote, Yes.

>> Now turn on the VCR, set it to Channel 3 (or 4). Set the TV to VIDEO1, 2 or 3. The STB is still in control of what you are seeing on the TV. If you play a tape, it will show here. In order for the VCR to record a show, the STB has to be set to the right channel, and the VCR should be on CH3 (or 4).

This is correct.

>> Now explain to me what "hookup 6" gets you. I don't understand why you would want or need this hookup if you have "hookup 7".

Well, I don't know, except that's how the instructions explained the setup, and the cable guy seemed to agree. He's the one that told me to change the input to Video 5 for HD channels, and back to TV input for NON-HD channels.

And again, the picture on non-hd channels is MUCH better when viewed on the TV input. They look worse on the Video 5 input. I'm assuming that this must be the reason for "hookup 6", but I'm not sure.

Here is a mockup of the image warping I see on the XBR950 if the unit is set to any underscan:

http://www.handheldgames.com\gwiii_warp.gif

This was discussed here before, but it annoys the heck out of me. I guess the ony thing I can get done is to have the mirror adjusted.. Now if I can find a service company that know what they are doing... ARRGH!

Thanx,
Vidkidd

Originally posted by netspots
>>Forgive my ignorance here, but something doesn't seem right. Doesn't the signal from the cable box (which then goes into the VCR) *have* to go into the cable input on the TV (in this case the "uhf/vhf" input)?

Absolutely not! In fact using that input (RF) is the worse connection to utilize with a cable tuner box. Most of them these days come with S-Video and RCA and the HD ones even have DVI or Component outputs. I assume your VCR only does RCA and RF (cable). So use the cable if you want to use the tuner in the VCR to do timed recordings and use S-Video or beter from the Cable box. Use RCA's for the output from the VCR (S-Video if you have a really high end VCR). Down here the cable boxes rent for pretty much the same regardless of whether they are the HD or SD type so I'd get the HD capable one and hook it up via component or DVi if it was me.

Originally posted by netspots
Thanks for the terminology help. I think I'm with you on everything you said: ...cut...
No problem. I still have a question about the "hookup 6" wire.

Put your TV on TV and press the ANT button. Now, which COAX input are you on at this point? If your channels have a "C" in front of them, you are on the RF input labelled "CABLE". If not, you are on the RF input labelled "VHF/UHF".

What I need to know in order to understand what's going on here is the difference between what you see on "CABLE" versus "VHF/UHF". Do the full channel scan (analog and digital) on the "CABLE" input here. (Which you may have already done).

Switch to the VHF/UHF input by pressing ANT, and set it to channel 3 (or 4). Now, using the CH+, CH- for the cable box, go up and down thru the channels and see if there is anything that you can get that you want to get here that you cannot get when the TV is set to the "CABLE" input.

If there is nothing extra here, there is no reason to have this line.

My whole problem with this "hookup 6" line is that you are turning the TV into a dumb terminal. You don't gain anything here by having a great TV because you can't use the TV remote's CH+ and CH- because the VHF/UHF input has to be set to channel 3 (or 4) (like the VCR). And if you DO use the TV remote's CH+ and CH-, then you should be setting the TV input to the "CABLE" connector, not the VHF/UHF, so that you are going direcctly from the cable line instead of going thru two extra devices which can pollute the signal and cause the kinds of problems you are seeing.

Follow me?

countz, I'll be out for a few hours. I'll jump on this as soon as I return. Thanks for the help!

Originally posted by countz
...If there is nothing extra here, there is no reason to have this line.

My whole problem with this "hookup 6" line is that you are turning the TV into a dumb terminal. You don't gain anything here by having a great TV because you can't use the TV remote's CH+ and CH- because the VHF/UHF input has to be set to channel 3 (or 4) (like the VCR). And if you DO use the TV remote's CH+ and CH-, then you should be setting the TV input to the "CABLE" connector, not the VHF/UHF, so that you are going direcctly from the cable line instead of going thru two extra devices which can pollute the signal and cause the kinds of problems you are seeing.

Follow me?
Let me come at it from the other direction and see if things clear up a little.

Set your TV to "TV" like you said for viewing SD. Now, if you are using the TV's Remote for CH+ and CH-, you do not need "hookup 6".

Unplug the cable for "hookup 6".

If your cable channels all went away, press the ANT button on the TV remote. They should all be back and operating perfectly without any discoloration.

If your cable channels did not all go away, then press the ANT button on the TV Remote. NOW they should be gone, and you should have nothing but snow. (We just did this to check, so press ANT again to go back).

If all of the above happens as described, then you have no need for "hookup 6", and you should leave it out just so you don't start using it accidentally.

Only consider putting "hookup 6" back in IF you find some channels on VIDEO5 or 6 that look like crap and are not available on TV.

Now you should have just about the perfect setup for your TV. The only way to improve it would be if there are local HD channels that you don't get on VIDEO5 or 6. Then you could get a UHF antenna and hook it up to the now-empty VHF/UHF plug and use that input to pick up all those missing local HD channels.

Don't forget to go into the setup menu and set any VIDEO inputs you aren't using to "SKIP" so you don't have to cycle thru them every time you switch from SD to HD.

Originally posted by netspots
Yes. After doing the Digital Scan, I also now see what must be the Digital Channels (like 100.1, 100.2, etc.) -- but I frankly have no idea what "channels" they are. Some say "Now Tuning" then (after a delay) display a picture, others say "Now Tuning" then (after a delay) say "No Signal". It's kind of a hassle because of the delay. Are these channels "worth" anything?
They can be "worth" something. Sometimes they are PPV channels, and you might snag someone else's movie purchase, but it will definitely be hit-and-miss, and it may not be worth the hassle.

My local cable company broadcasts several digital music channels on 72. I get about 12 or 13 different music channels on 72.21 thru 72.39. Personally, I have no use for them, so they are disabled.

When you have a digital channel displayed, you can press the GUIDE button on the remote and get to a digital setup menu where you can show/hide digital channels, so you can remove any of them you don't want to surf through. Or you can remove them all if you prefer to watch them on VIDEO5 through the STB.

The delay is normal. My delay is hardly ever more than one second, unless it cannot find the station (No Signal).

My local cable broadcasts the HD signals from CBS and NBC on 114.1 and 114.2, respectively. But for ABC, PBS, and FOX in HD, I have an antenna I bought from Radio Shack hooked up to the VHF/UHF input and I have to use the ANT button to go get them when I need them.

I have a new 60XBR950 and am surprised that it doesn't seem to pull in all my local digital channels. Out of 7 locals, it pulls in only 3 of them, the rest "No Signal".

But if I take the exact same antenna feed and plug it into my Hughes-HL DirecTV high def tuner, I can see all 7 locals with decent signal strengths.

Anyone else notice this?

I have a weird Geometry issue....

When I watch a widescreen movie that is in 1 to 2.35 format (ie I get the black lines at the top and bottom of my tv screen) I notice that there seems to be a tilt in the picture.

I actually used a ruler and found that the bottom black bar is 1/4" thinner on the left side of my screen than on the right side of my screen. (vice versa for the black bar on the top) In essence the picture angles upwards from left to right slightly (barely noticeable).

Has anyone else experienced this? I know these tv's are relatively new, but do the mirrors need adjusting from time to time to keep the picture level?

Any feedback would be appreciated....
Thanks,
Dave

>> What I need to know in order to understand what's going on here is the difference between what you see on "CABLE" versus "VHF/UHF"...

>> My whole problem with this "hookup 6" line is that you are turning the TV into a dumb terminal. You don't gain anything here by having a great TV because you can't use the TV remote's CH+ and CH- because the VHF/UHF input has to be set to channel 3 (or 4) (like the VCR). And if you DO use the TV remote's CH+ and CH-, then you should be setting the TV input to the "CABLE" connector, not the VHF/UHF, so that you are going direcctly from the cable line instead of going thru two extra devices which can pollute the signal and cause the kinds of problems you are seeing.

>> Set your TV to "TV" like you said for viewing SD. Now, if you are using the TV's Remote for CH+ and CH-, you do not need "hookup 6".

Let me see if I can answer these questions in one shot:

Here's my setup: A-B-C... The cable line comes in from the wall (let's call this line A) and splits off into 2 lines. One line goes to the cable Box & vcr then into the UHF/VHF input (let's call this line B for Box). The other line goes directly into the Cable input (let's call this line C for Cable input).

If I click the TV/VIDEO button over to "TV", I'm on line B. Here I need the Cable/STB remote to change channels. In this mode, I cannot change channels on the TV remote -- I *must* use the cable remote. This is also the only way to see the "Guide" info provided by the digital/HD cable box (the on-screen TV guide info showing what TV show is on).

If I now click on the ANT button on the TV remote, I switch over to line C. In this mode, I must use the TV remote to change channels. I can see all non-pay channels (network and cable channels) but since this signal doesn't pass through the cable box I cannot see any "Guide" info. Nor can I see any HD channels.

For HD channels I have to change the input to Video 5. On this input, HD channels look great, but not non-HD channels -- they look best when using EITHER line B or line C.

Does this make sense?

By the way, the weird color problems only started 2 days ago. So the first week I had this TV the current setup (right or wrong) seemed to work fine. SOMEthing happened to change this -- I just don't know what that is.

My 2nd 60XBR950 had a tilted image like you describe, plus is was also warped on the edges... So I opted to keep the 1st one.

Thanks,
Vidkidd

Not all XBR's are created equally.

Originally posted by sjclay
I have a weird Geometry issue....

When I watch a widescreen movie that is in 1 to 2.35 format (ie I get the black lines at the top and bottom of my tv screen) I notice that there seems to be a tilt in the picture.
........

Originally posted by sjclay
I have a weird Geometry issue....

When I watch a widescreen movie that is in 1 to 2.35 format (ie I get the black lines at the top and bottom of my tv screen) I notice that there seems to be a tilt in the picture.


I have exactly the same issue ! I just watched matrix revolutions on this TV
and I got black bars at the top and bottom in Full mode. The DVD itself is
labelled "widescreen" so using "Normal" picture mode does not make sense. Using "Zoom" or "Wide Zoom" modes clips quite a bit of the picture and so they are out of question also.

so is this normal ? Should I not get picture on the entire screen with Full mode and wide screen DVD ?


I actually used a ruler and found that the bottom black bar is 1/4" thinner on the left side of my screen than on the right side of my screen. (vice versa for the black bar on the top) In essence the picture angles upwards from left to right slightly (barely noticeable).

Has anyone else experienced this? I know these tv's are relatively new, but do the mirrors need adjusting from time to time to keep the picture level?

Any feedback would be appreciated....
Thanks,
Dave

I also have the tilting problem - exactly like you describe it. I first noticed it with AVIA's plus pattern but now that I know its there, I can make myself see it with some effort even with daily viewing. I dont think this would be the mirrors since I had run my AVIA within the first week of getting the set and the mirrors should not get tilted in such a short time. I am thinking of returning my set.

I have exactly the same issue ! I just watched matrix revolutions on this TV
and I got black bars at the top and bottom in Full mode. The DVD itself is
labelled "widescreen" so using "Normal" picture mode does not make sense. Using "Zoom" or "Wide Zoom" modes clips quite a bit of the picture and so they are out of question also.

so is this normal ? Should I not get picture on the entire screen with Full mode and wide screen DVD ?


If the movie is in 1 to 1.85 mode (ie Saving Private Ryan) you will see the movie in full screen on wide mode. If the movie is a 1 to 2.35 movie (ie Matrix Revolutions) you will get black bars on the top and bottom in wide mode even though the XBR950 is a widescreen tv. It just depends on which format the movie is in. I don't mind the black bars, I just don't like the tilt. My wife doesn't notice it, but now that I know it is there I see it all the time....

Originally posted by seanmcgpa
I have a new 60XBR950 and am surprised that it doesn't seem to pull in all my local digital channels. Out of 7 locals, it pulls in only 3 of them, the rest "No Signal".

But if I take the exact same antenna feed and plug it into my Hughes-HL DirecTV high def tuner, I can see all 7 locals with decent signal strengths.

Anyone else notice this?

I've got my 60XBR950 last weekend and have frantically tried to improve my antenna setup. I had good success using a two interior antenna setup. One of them is just an plain old RS amplified antenna (has a built-in A/B switch) and the other the Zenith Silver Sensor that I bought from Sears everyone talked about. And now I have pulled in all 3 HDTV & 6 DTV channels out of the Houston area.

I think you have the same antenna reception issue. The XBR tuner is fine.

Should I not get picture on the entire screen with Full mode and wide screen DVD ?

Click this Link (Widescreens and black bars) (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=332900)

The above link is a great description of all the different aspect ratios as well as the difference with all the formats and screen sizes!! Thanks much...

Just wanted to bump this up again, it got lost in the shuffle and I was looking for some feedback, sorry to have to re-post... Thanks!

Originally posted by hd_axel
Hello everyone! I have a couple questions, and hope to get some advice...

I would like to know what would be a good quality High Def. Antenna for the GWIII's HD tuner so I can pick up my local channels? Currently in my area ABC, CBS, NBC and PBS are broadcasting in HD so I want to take advantage of the built in HD tuner on this set.

Is indoor a good way to go, or is PQ best with an outdoor type? I currently have a TERK bi-directional stick antenna that I have been using for my local stations of Standad Def. content. It can be mounted in or outdoors, so I just place it in the corner of my room and move it wherever it needs to be for optimal PQ. Works fine for me... Can I do the same with an HD antenna?

I just got my 70xbr on Tuesday, I have not powered it up yet because I need a stand and have to set everything up before I turn it on. At this point, all I can say is, she's a beauty!!

I'm getting closer to "Turn this baby on" mode because I ended up going to Best Buy and purchased a Bush Stand, model# VS74377-03. It cost me $280, a savings of at least $600 over the Sony stand. Personally I feel that the pricing of the SU-GW3 Sony stand is an insult, jmho. Though the Bush stand measures 58 1/2 inches wide, instead of 71" like the Sony, there is a 6 1/2 inch overhang on the left and right of the stand. To me, no big deal and definitely worth the savings. The Bush is more functional, brings the set up and additional 7" in height, (total is 31" from floor to base of picture) over the Sony, holds up to 240 pounds, and best of all it looks real nice too!!

Regarding the Time Warner 8000HD DVR and the issue of the DVI being active or not, may be a regional issue. On my unit, as well as my area, the DVI Is active on my set.

Regarding the overall PQ on my Toshiba 65" RPTV using Component Video cables, it looks great when viewing HD content through this DVR, both in Live mode and Recorded mode. I can't see the difference at all. I will report my findings once I connect the DVI... Later!

Regarding a TV antenna, there really is no such thing as an HD TV antenna. IF you get decent local reception of your analog over the air TV stations you should be able to get your digital TV stations from the same antenna. In most areas you just need to get a regular TV antenna and connect it. Do you have any TVs with built in antennas? If so, see how their reception is. If you get a fair picture with on this TV using an indoor antenna, you may be able to use an indoor antenna on your TV.

I also have the 70" XBR and get 8 local digital channels using a rabbit ears style in door antenna. However, I also have and normally use my attic antenna which brings in 10 local digital channels.

Regarding the Time Warner HD-DVR, I have this also and the DVI output on the back of the SA8000HD is not active yet anywhere. They are supposed to be ready to activate it later this month. The TW DVR does not put out as good a picture as you get using the TVs built in digital tuner, though it is close.

Runch

Since TW is getting their signal direct from the locals and piping it to you via cable, wouldn't that mean that they're either compressing or otherwise altering those signals?

Since TW is getting their signal direct from the locals and piping it to you via cable, wouldn't that mean that they're either compressing or otherwise altering those signals?

Of course they are altering the signal. :rolleyes: Here in Austin you are required to pay the fee for the box and for the higher tier Digital Cable package as TW scrambles even local OTA HD feeds. Time Warner-Austin is a rip off.

Of course TW in San Antonio sends the digital feed in the 'clear' without any need for one of their Sci Atl 'tuner' boxes to receive the signal. Any QAM capable tv can see the HD feeds with just the basic package and no extra STB required.


:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: Time Warner Austin SUCKS! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
.... all I pay for is basic at this point.

Driver

Tell us how you really feel. ;)

JimP, in Minneapolis TW is not blocking the local HD channels. They can be picked up directly from my TV, which has both an ASTC and QAM tuner. Comparing OTA ASTC and cable QAM directly on the TV I can't see any difference. Through the HD-DVR the picture is noticabley less sharp. I think the problem is the box, not the signal. There have been other threads debating this. At least in this area, it appears that the digital local channels are not being altered or compressed in any way.

Runch

Sounds like the DVR is compressing the signal. By chance, does it provide options to vary picture quality which in turn varies the amount of compression. I have a Panasonic hard drive recorder/DVD burner which operates this way.

Originally posted by Villanman
Click this Link (Widescreens and black bars) (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=332900)

Thanks sjclay and Villanman - at least one less thing to worry about. :-)

Originally posted by vidkidd
Here is a mockup of the image warping I see on the XBR950 if the unit is set to any underscan:

http://www.handheldgames.com\gwiii_warp.gif

This was discussed here before, but it annoys the heck out of me. I guess the ony thing I can get done is to have the mirror adjusted.. Now if I can find a service company that know what they are doing... ARRGH!

Thanx,
Vidkidd

Ok, now, I see this too on my TV. I was fooling around with using this set as my computer monitor and my laptop was creating some thin black bars on the each side. Since the bars were thin and close to the edge - I was able to see this problem - for the first time.

Switched to SDTV in Normal picture mode to create the usual SDTV black bars on the side (thicker than what I got with my laptop) and measured the width of the bars and sure enough, they are thicker by about .5 cm near the top.

And now I can see this with normal viewing at normal distance also - now that I know it exists.

And this set is less then 3 weeks since delivery - I highly doubt it is the mirrors - got to be a mfg defect.

Vidkidd - why not get sony to service this issue rather than trying to find a service company yourself ?

-Kuntal

Originally posted by kuntaldaftary
...And this set is less then 3 weeks since delivery - I highly doubt it is the mirrors - got to be a mfg defect....

Wrong. It is very likely the mirror alignment. Perfectly aligned optics in something like this is highly unlikely. You could try Sony service, but I doubt they have any way to adjust this.

1. I get <<one-and-a-third>> band across the bottom! I have a half-inch band spanning all the way across the bottom. Right above it, adjacent to it, there is another band spanning only the middle third of the screen.

2. When I display "Info," the box is cut-off at the top.

For the above two reasons, I suspect the mirror is out of alignment. The whole image needs to be shifted down. Can I do that? Are there instructions anywhere on how to do that?

I realize the description sounds complicated. I would provide an illustration if I knew how to insert a graphic here. Vidkidd, how did you do that?

Originally posted by umr
Wrong. It is very likely the mirror alignment. Perfectly aligned optics in something like this is highly unlikely. You could try Sony service, but I doubt they have any way to adjust this.

Hmm, ok on mirror alignment. But even if it is mirror alignment, this is the way it came out of the factory - what I am not really convinced of is that this issue has happened over time. This is still a mfg defect - though a very likely one.

You say that Sony has no way to correct this - which surprises me. How is it that some 3rd party small time tech can correct this while a multi-million dollar company who mfg the set cannot. And on top of that - isnt Sony "supposed" to correct this within the 1 year warranty time frame ?

Fortunately I have a week to go before my 30 day return expires and so I can return the set and get a new one.

Originally posted by kuntaldaftary
...You say that Sony has no way to correct this - which surprises me. How is it that some 3rd party small time tech can correct this while a multi-million dollar company who mfg the set cannot. And on top of that - isnt Sony "supposed" to correct this within the 1 year warranty time frame ?...

I never said a 3rd party small time tech could correct it either. You probably could shim the optical engine, mirror and screen, but there are no adjustments for these things in the sets. The mirror and screen would be very difficult to adjust because I don't see how it would be possible while you can see the image. Shimming the optical engine can only correct some problems. Any optical technology is fraught with alignment problems. With these sets using light weight plastic it becomes even more problematic. I would avoid RPTV entirely if you want optical perfection. Your best bet would be a very high quality front projector if you want optical perfection.

If you've read any of my other posts, I've been very disappointed with Sony's service and responsiveness on these sets. My 70 inch set broke after I had it for only a week, it was repaired (too a month), came back with a new problem, has been looked at 3 times by the service reps who agree there is a problem, and now, next Tuesday is scheduled to go in again for a second 'light engine' replacement. Sounds like they are taking care of me but this is not without lots of phone calls and complaints. After reading about the alignment problems, I don't think I'd buy another of these, regardless of how great the picture is. There is something to be said about not buying early production on new TVs and cars.

You would think Sony would be interested in keeping us happy. They do send opinion surveys which I fill out appropriately.

I have the 70" version of the set and my first TV had the Geometry problem. A tech came out, talked to Sony, and was told there is no adjustment for this. The mirror was not exactly in the correct position. My problem was the black bar on the right side was narrower as it went from top to bottom. Before the set was exchanged, I took the back off to see if in fact there was any adjustment that could be made to slightly move the mirror. There were no adjustments. I removed a couple of screws from the frame holding the mirror and the holes were round, not slotted. Thus no way to move the mirror. If I pushed the mirror and held it in postion, the problem went away. As soon as I took my hand off, the problem came back. Put on a DVD with a test pattern, such as AVIA and you will see if you have the problem and if it is bad enough to do anything about.

I went to several Ultimate Electronic and Circuit City stores, all the TVs had this problem, some worse then others. I had purchased the set at Ultimate. One of their stores had one still in the box. They opened it up and connected a DVD player to it so I could test it and it was nearly perfect. At most if was off by maybe one line. So they exchanged it and that's the one I have now. That's great customer service from Ultimate, but Sony has a serious quality control problem. That's outrageous on a $7000 set.

Rememeber the LEMON law.... 3 times fixed for the same thing within 1 year and you get a new set! It's the law.

Thanks,
Vidkidd

My set also has this gemometry issue but it is slight. My wife did not notice it until I pointed it out. It is not significant enough to ask for an exchange

I just thought of checking the lamp in my set, and it turned out to be philips. Now this set was delivered less than 20 days ago so I expected it to be an OSRAM lamp.

Havent check the mfg date yet since moving the set is a pain.

Can someone verify if sony is putting in OSRAM lamp in the newer sets ?
If not, any idea how they fixed the problem lamp problem without starting to use a non-defective lamp ?

O.K. we're all thinking it.

Given the shortage of Osram bulbs, is Sony putting the Philips bulbs in these sets to get them sold and will deal with bulb replacements when Osrams are more available.

I'm posting this in case it helps anyone else that runs into the same problem:

For the last week or so I've had a intermittent rainbow-like color band running across the top of the screen. The colors came on for 15-20 minutes, then off for 15-20 minutes. I went nuts trying to find the problem, by removing components, trying different hookup configurations, swapping cables, etc. After trying everything I could think of, I finally called the cable company (Cox). The Tech Support guy had no idea what the problem might be, so he sent out a field tech.

When the field tech arrived, he knew *instantly* what the problem was. A bad cable box.

He said that he's been seeing it a lot lately. The box, a Motorola DCT6200, apparently has this problem on 1 out of "x" boxes that go out. He wasn't sure what "x" was, but it was enough to know that there IS a problem.

Anyway, he swapped boxes, and so far things look good. I'm keeping my fingers crossed.


Thanks to those of you that tried to help me solve this problem.

Originally posted by kuntaldaftary
I just thought of checking the lamp in my set, and it turned out to be philips. Now this set was delivered less than 20 days ago so I expected it to be an OSRAM lamp.

Havent check the mfg date yet since moving the set is a pain.

Can someone verify if sony is putting in OSRAM lamp in the newer sets ?
If not, any idea how they fixed the problem lamp problem without starting to use a non-defective lamp ?

Pardon my ignorance, but is there an easy way to check which bulb you have?

Originally posted by seanmcgpa
Pardon my ignorance, but is there an easy way to check which bulb you have?

Well, the user manual shows how you can take the lamp out for replacement from behind the front panel. It is fairly easy - 5 minute job really. All you need is the right hex key. I didnt have the key, but had a screwdriver bit that matched the key slot - so that worked for me.

Wasn't the bulb in the GWIII non xbr different than the one in the XBR.

We all know that the non XBRs have problems with the Phillips bulbs, but do the XBRs??

Hi - I was looking for some help with running cables for my indoor antenna to receive OTA HD. I realize this is not the topic for this thread, but having received excellent advice on this thread and seeing that folks are helpful even with slightly off-topic discussions, I decided to take a chance.

1. My XBR950 is on the second floor. But my zenith silver sensor gives me better signal on the third floor. So I will have to run a pretty long cable between the two. Currently I am running about 50 ft of unlabelled coax cable across the lower room, up two flights of stair case, across the upper room and into the antenna.

If the antenna is placed next to the TV on lower floor, I get 2-3 HDTV stations but when placed on the top floor, I get about 10. However, I "think" I am seeing some detoriation in PQ when placed on the upper floor in terms of "jagged edges" and "background noise".

Also, when placed in the upper room (which is an office), the cable seems to pick up other signals - eg, I lost HD signal whenever I used paper shredder on the upper room.

Well, so bottom line - what cable (specification) should I use to run about 50ft of it such that the signal does not deteriorate and does not pick up other EM interference.

2. My house has internal coax cable running in all rooms but I am sure I know what specification it is. The dish installer had clarified that it is meant for cable signals but not satellite signals - if that helps. I also dont know how long it is (since I am not the original owner of the house). I was wondering if it is ok to use it.

3. I have heard reports that using an "amplifier" with the antenna could get more stations. Is this correct ? What sort of amplifier should I be looking for ? Where can I purchase it ? How much would it cost approx ?

Thanks...

kuntaldaftary

I'd recommend getting a suitable outdoor antenna, and run proper cables (quad shielded coax) and use an amp if necessary. You can probably get an onlineantenna specialty house to design the system for you.

Running a 50 foot cable to an indoor antenna and then distributing the signal with interference in all likelyhood would be a major waste as you'll have to turn around and do it again.

Sorry, I wish I could say that it'll work.

Originally posted by kuntaldaftary
1. My XBR950 is on the second floor. But my zenith silver sensor gives me better signal on the third floor. So I will have to run a pretty long cable between the two. Currently I am running about 50 ft of unlabelled coax cable across the lower room, up two flights of stair case, across the upper room and into the antenna.

If the antenna is placed next to the TV on lower floor, I get 2-3 HDTV stations but when placed on the top floor, I get about 10. However, I "think" I am seeing some detoriation in PQ when placed on the upper floor in terms of "jagged edges" and "background noise".

Also, when placed in the upper room (which is an office), the cable seems to pick up other signals - eg, I lost HD signal whenever I used paper shredder on the upper room.
I'd lay odds that unlabeled cable is RG59 unshielded cable. Not a good thing for antennas . Lots of old houses use it for all their interior cable tv wiring.

Well, so bottom line - what cable (specification) should I use to run about 50ft of it such that the signal does not deteriorate and does not pick up other EM interference.
RG6 Shielded or better. (RG 11 in a perfect world but way overkill for an antenna). Look for RG6 Quad shielded runs.

2. My house has internal coax cable running in all rooms but I am sure I know what specification it is. The dish installer had clarified that it is meant for cable signals but not satellite signals - if that helps. I also dont know how long it is (since I am not the original owner of the house). I was wondering if it is ok to use it.
That the dish installer said it wouldn't work for Satellite is a dead giveaway it's the older RG59 stuff. Any house much older than 10 years or so is very likely to use it.

3. I have heard reports that using an "amplifier" with the antenna could get more stations. Is this correct ? What sort of amplifier should I be looking for ? Where can I purchase it ? How much would it cost approx ?
If the 50 foot cable is already getting you decent results then get a proper run of RG6 and see how it works before considering a amplifier. Decent amps only run <$50 but can cause problems if the signal is already sufficent. much less its yet another thing using power in your house. From what you relate an amp seems the wrong way to go. Its a bandaid when all you need to do is get the right cable to the antenna and place it int he right location.

The way you have the current cable run tells me a proper run straight up inside the wall would likely half the run length and with properly shielded cable the interference would be a non-issue much less that the shorter the run the higher the signal strength. If that doesn't work then just go straight out of the house and put up a external antenna and be done with it.

Proud owner of 70" since Nov with no problems.

Patiently awaiting my HDTivo but still able to watch the Masters in HD with my trusty amplified little Radio Shack antenna.

Wondered if anyone knows if you can split an OTA HD signal without significant signal degradation to have split screen HD? (1 HD OTA to XBR 950, 1 HD OTA to HDTivo).

As I recall off the top of my head, the XBR does not support split-screen with 2 HD feeds.

Split screen would be 1) XBR OTA HD and 2) OTA HD using the HDTivo as the other OTA tuner. Just like split-screen Ant. and Video X.

Question is really about the degredation of splitting an HD signal. Do you lose to much HD signal by splitting it?

I think he meant splitting the antenna feed. One to the HDTivo and the other to his XBR. If the signal strength is up there it's quite possible. if its low then a bigger antenna would be required. One proper sized antenna should be able to be split to feed multiple tv's assuming its setup properly and you are not out in the boondocks.

Of course if its just a little ole antenna buy another and feed each device separately...

Another way to put the question: What is the minimum signal strength the XBR950 tuner needs to lock on to a digital signal?

I have a feeling that the XBR950's internal OTA decoder isn't nearly as strong as my Hughes HD DirecTV box.

When my antenna cable is connected directly (no split) to the XBR, I can receive 6 out of 12 local digital channels. The other channels I just get "no signal".

When I plug the same cable into the Hughes box, I can get all 12 out of 12 (one has some dropouts, but I can deal with it).

This is using a Channel Master 4228 with a Channel Master 7775 amplifier in center city Philadelphia (notoriously difficult to get OTA here).

Well I finally got around to placing my 70XBR on a stand and proceed with hookup. I have not powered up the set yet.

While running all my connections, I decided to check the Bulb and the Manufacture date. The set was built March 2004 and the Bulb is a Philips. Is this going to cause problems?

Do I call SONY for an Osram replacement, or just power it up and stay with the Philips and all will be fine?:confused:

I got curious and decided to check the bulb on my 2 week old 60XBR.

It's a Phillips. Damn.

Now I'm a bit concerned too, especially since I did NOT take the extended warranty. I've always felt like they were a waste of money, since I almost never have a problem with electronics beyond the 30 day refund/exchange period.

Anyone know if using a Phillips bulb is a concern with the XBRs? or was it only a problem with the WE610s?

Regarding splitting the signal from a TV antenna, I have done this without much loss in signal strength. Try it and see what happens. I also have the 70"XBR. I find that it is very sensitive and that I get enough signal on almost any type of antenna. I am about 14 miles from the TV towers. I have tried the antenna on my roof, the antenna in my attic and rabbit ears. Rabbit ears worked well, but had to be moved to get all signals. I normally use the antenna on the roof, but I have been thinking about taking it down and just using the antenna in the attic. What I noticed is that when the signal strength indicator was showing about half way, I got a picture. When it was less than half way, I didn't. For some reason, splitting the signal in two, doesn't seem to cut the stength in half, it only causes a slight reduction.

Regarding bulb problems, I have been led to believe that it has been only the WEs the have the problem. My TV has the Philips bulb and I've had the TV since December. I did have a problem with the bulb not coming on in March, so I removed the bulb and put it back in. That solved the problem. I called Sony to try to talk them into a new bulb but did not get anywhere. They wanted to have a technician come out to check the set, which by then was working fine.

Originally posted by Driver

That the dish installer said it wouldn't work for Satellite is a dead giveaway it's the older RG59 stuff. Any house much older than 10 years or so is very likely to use it.


If the 50 foot cable is already getting you decent results then get a proper run of RG6 and see how it works before considering a amplifier. Decent amps only run <$50 but can cause problems if the signal is already sufficent. much less its yet another thing using power in your house. From what you relate an amp seems the wrong way to go. Its a bandaid when all you need to do is get the right cable to the antenna and place it int he right location.

The way you have the current cable run tells me a proper run straight up inside the wall would likely half the run length and with properly shielded cable the interference would be a non-issue much less that the shorter the run the higher the signal strength. If that doesn't work then just go straight out of the house and put up a external antenna and be done with it.

Hi Driver,

Thanks a lot for a detailed reply. Just one followup.

I was thinking of using an amp - not to improve signal perf - but to catch more stations than I currently can. Eg, I am able to catch certain channels from Mt.Sutro tower in SF but not some other channels (apparently) being transmitted by the same tower and I am guessing thats because that channel is transmitted at lower power. (eg, I catch NBC from that tower but not ABC or UPN). I was thinking that perhaps having an amp will allow me to catch ABC and UPN as well.

Does this sound possible ?

Thanks

Kuntal

I would attempt to see if you can even see a regular snowy analog picture of that station you are desiring. If you are not even receiving that I doubt an amp will help much. Although, with that said HD signals are usually a different transmitter so there may not be any correlation between the two. Try it I guess, if it doesn't work return the amplifier. Just make sure Radio Shack, Best Buy or whoever you get it from has a generous return policy.

I've tried using signal boosters and thought I would share my results. I have a small Sony plasma set in the bedroom to which I have connected a (Comcast) Motorola 6200 HD box. This set has a very long cable run and a Motorola Signal Booster (Model No. 484095-001-000, $39 purchased from erwincomp.com) really helped to clean up the SD signal.

I also use the same booster on our main TV (60XBR950) for the SD cable run which also now displays a more watchable picture. I do not have the HD cable box on this set and for HD I use the Silver Sensor which amazingly pulls in all available local HD and DTV stations (16 total, including local weather channel) from our antenna farm which is 17 miles away. This antenna sits atop the TV which puts it exactly at ground level, as this room is sunk 1/2 floor below ground. The signal meter for nearly all of these channels is either at the top or just one removed from the top, so I am obviously a big fan of the little Silver Sensor antenna.

For the heck of it (and to see if there were any more channels out there that I might have missed) I tried inserting the signal booster in the OTA antenna feed, and after doing another Digital Channel search I actually lost the 4 local PBS DTV stations. When I removed the booster and did the search again, they re-appeared.

So my experience is that the signal boosters can really make a difference if you have fair-to-poor SD cable reception, but can actually do harm in a good OTA situation, where either you get a consistently good signal, or you don't.

I think this may need to move to the HD reception section of the forum and I also recommend the yahoo group on bay area hdtv. That said, first a specific - Sutro Tower does not have NBC and won't get it. They currently broadcast out of the southbay and are moving to San Bruno after they get approval. Second, a generalized comment - in most urban environments the problem is not signal strength, it's noise. Especially in areas with hills and tall buildings like San Francisco. Using an amp only makes those problems worse. Very directional antennas would seem a lot more useful. I have trouble getting Sutro, but I get 11/12 by using a very directional antenna and pointing it at my house for a bank shot (metal backed stucco walls).

tom

Originally posted by kuntaldaftary

I was thinking of using an amp - not to improve signal perf - but to catch more stations than I currently can. Eg, I am able to catch certain channels from Mt.Sutro tower in SF but not some other channels (apparently) being transmitted by the same tower and I am guessing thats because that channel is transmitted at lower power. (eg, I catch NBC from that tower but not ABC or UPN). I was thinking that perhaps having an amp will allow me to catch ABC and UPN as well.

Does this sound possible ?

Thanks

Kuntal

I think this may need to move to the HD reception section of the forum and I also recommend the yahoo group on bay area hdtv.....

I answered because it definitely had to do with the sensitivity of the XBR950's tuner and it can't hurt to have a frank conversation about it and the results one gets by messing around and seeing how well it responds.

PS: I hate Yahoo Groups, If I hear one more person refer me to a Yahoo Group I'll scream.. :o After all, if it was a serious forum wouldn't they get real bulletin board software, etc... :rolleyes: Of course thats just my opinion, nothing personal...

Hi all,

Do any of you know if any of the previous Sony stands will work for the 60XBR950? For example, the SU-GW1 or SU-GW2 stands, both of which are a lot cheaper than the SU-GW3 stand. I would much rather have more of my money going towards better A/V equipment than on the stand. Do any of the non-GW stands work for this set?

Can one of you 60XBR950 owners please tell me the dimensions of the base of your TV? Sony lists the overall depth (23") and width (67") of the TV, but I need to know how big the actual base is, because that's what's going to be sitting on the TV stand.

The closest stands I've found to the 15-3/4" height of the GW3 are the BDI 9421 Icon (17") and the Bello AVSC-2050 (18-1/2"). Which are both cheaper than the MSRP for the SU-GW3.

Thanks!
//robert

Just want to remind people who are thinking about using an amp, it doesn't improve signal, it only amplifies it. If you don't have enough signal and it's buried in noise, then you are going to be amplifying noise through the amp also. The tuner may be able to pick the signal out of the noise but most of the time, you are going to suffer for it. If you are amplifying because you have too many splitters, etc, then you need to place your amp as close to the source as possible which will keep the original signal well above the noise floor during the splitting process. It will also allow you to amplify further down the line without hitting the noise floor. That is if the original signal isn't too strong, which could cause the amp to overdrive and distort the original signal. Best case is to find someone that has a level meter and find out what your levels are before doing any splitting and/ or amplifying. Looking at analog signal isn't always your best bet. Each manufacturer's tuners have different sensitivities and is really not a good reference point for deciding when to amplify or pad.

" I decided to check the Bulb and the Manufacture date. The set was built March 2004 and the Bulb is a Philips. "

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how exactly do you check for the manufacture date ?

thanks

Originally posted by jim_green_1
" I decided to check the Bulb and the Manufacture date. The set was built March 2004 and the Bulb is a Philips. "

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how exactly do you check for the manufacture date ?

thanks

On the sticker located in the rear of the set.

Originally posted by barretto
Hi all,

Do any of you know if any of the previous Sony stands will work for the 60XBR950? For example, the SU-GW1 or SU-GW2 stands, both of which are a lot cheaper than the SU-GW3 stand. I would much rather have more of my money going towards better A/V equipment than on the stand. Do any of the non-GW stands work for this set?

Can one of you 60XBR950 owners please tell me the dimensions of the base of your TV? Sony lists the overall depth (23") and width (67") of the TV, but I need to know how big the actual base is, because that's what's going to be sitting on the TV stand.

The closest stands I've found to the 15-3/4" height of the GW3 are the BDI 9421 Icon (17") and the Bello AVSC-2050 (18-1/2"). Which are both cheaper than the MSRP for the SU-GW3.

Thanks!
//robert

I just got my 70xbr a few days ago, and I ended up going to Best Buy and purchased a Bush Stand, model# VS74377-03. It cost me $270, a savings of at least $600 over the Sony SU-GW3 stand. Personally I feel that the pricing of the SU-GW3 Sony stand is an insult, jmho.

Though the Bush stand measures 58 1/2 inches wide, instead of 71" wide like the Sony, there is a 6 1/2 inch overhang on the left and right of the stand. To me, that is no big deal and definitely worth the savings. The Bush is more functional also and it brings the set up an additional 7" in height, (total is 31" from floor to base of picture) over the Sony SU-GW3 , holds up to 240 pounds, and best of all it looks real nice too!! It will probably look even better with a 60XBR...

Originally posted by hd_axel
I feel that the pricing of the SU-GW3 Sony stand is an insult.




I agree.

I bet though many who buy the 70" XBR, don't think twice about buying the stand, and Sony knows it.

Originally posted by hd_axel
I just got my 70xbr a few days ago, and I ended up going to Best Buy and purchased a Bush Stand, model# VS74377-03. It cost me $270, a savings of at least $600 over the Sony SU-GW3 stand. Personally I feel that the pricing of the SU-GW3 Sony stand is an insult, jmho.


I'll definitely check out this stand. I definitely agree that the pricing for the Sony stand is an insult. It's a slap in the face. At the prices they want for these TVs they shouldn't slap on another grand just to make it viewable.

Originally posted by hd_axel
... The Bush is more functional also and it brings the set up an additional 7" in height, (total is 31" from floor to base of picture) over the Sony SU-GW3 , holds up to 240 pounds, and best of all it looks real nice too!! It will probably look even better with a 60XBR...

Hmmm... At that height you don't find yourself "looking up" to see the picture? I measured my eye level while sitting on a couch at approximately 36" high (I'm ~5'11"). If the front of the TV is located ~8' away from head position on the couch, then with a 31" high base of the picture, I'd be staring probably 10" below the center of the picture area? Don't know if I'd notice any degradation in brightness at that angle. The recommended viewing angle is +/-30 degrees (up and down) from the center of the screen. And that's assuming the 60" version. For the 70" the screen center would be even higher from eye level.

Although, in my case, I've also built a raised platform for my second row of couch seating, which places eye level for the second row at about 4 feet further back and at ~42" high. The center of the image would be much closer to eye level in that case, but still a little high.

Thanks!
//robert

Originally posted by barretto
Hmmm... At that height you don't find yourself "looking up" to see the picture? I measured my eye level while sitting on a couch at approximately 36" high (I'm ~5'11")...


My bad... that 36" height measurement was from a lower single chair/ottoman combo, and not the couch. The eye level height from the couch is actually closer to 39". So that makes the viewing angle even less. So it most likely will not be a problem.

I ordered a VS74377-03, but they are currently back ordered from Bush. Hopefully it won't be too much of a delay.

Cheers,
//robert

Originally posted by barretto

I ordered a VS74377-03, but they are currently back ordered from Bush. Hopefully it won't be too much of a delay.

Cheers,
//robert [/B]

Robert,

Call a few Best Buy's in your area, or have them do a "Locate" for you, or do a search with the model number on Google. BB had them for $270 2 weeks ago. The backorder status is that way with a lot of stores/dealers, but you may luck out and find one in someones stock. The BB in my area had 4 in stock, and Bush Inc. is on backorder until mid to late April before they even begin to ship to their distributors... Good Luck!!

Long time lurker, new poster...I recently bought the 60"XBR950 and it's everything I'd hoped it would be. Watching The Masters was like being in Augusta...I do have an issue that I'd like some takes on...It seems that when there is an area of white right next to black, there seems to be a blue "halo" near the area where white meets black. I have not had a chance to toy with too many settings. I talked to the people who sold me the TV and they will send a Sony trained tech to come out and look at it (no charge). I would like to give them some ideas if they look at it and don't see what I see...

As with most LCD technology you get "bleed" between pixels that are side by side, particularly noticiable when the pixels are very different in brightness and color. You mention that this is a white area next to a black so that makes me think it may be your issue. Sharpness, Contrast, etc all can minimize it to some degree. If it happens across the board then I'd look at it as a ghosting issue, if it's just with white next to black then I'd start tweaking the picture controls. G'luck


It could be the Image Shift issue which has a correction as outlined below:

Subject: Image (shift) revision for double image and ghosting

SYMPTOMS: The picture may have a double image or ghost._

RESOLUTION
Please try the Image Shift adjustment in the User's menu under the Setup section. This was formal called Image Revision. This adjustment will compensate for the inherent delays that develop in the LCD drive transistors over time. The default setting is Auto but positions 1-4 may provide a better picture as the set ages. Please use the setting that provides the best picture and inform the customer of the setting.

I just moved from NJ to Chattanooga, TN (work-related). It was easy to get high-end AV equipment in NJ and I had a beautiful dedicated HT with a Dwin FP, etc. in my old house. Now I'm converting a family room by flush-mounting a RP unit into the wall (it's a big house -- one reason to move to TN). Anyway, after searching out the local showrooms (not many) I found Circuit City had the 70" GWIII on display, and the picture was a quantum leap better than any of the other sets I had seen. Even better than the 42" Sammy DLP (my last purchase, which was still on the showroom floor). Now that I've cut the hole in the wall and built a recessed shelf to set the TV on and designed the room around it, I went back to CC to order the set. First, the display unit was gone. When I asked the well-informed (NOT) salesperson if I could order one he told me Sony stopped making them. When I suggested that this was unlikely since people on this forum were buying them all over the country ("You don't know what you're talking about") he checked with another salesman and they found that the warehouse had none in strock and that there were 4 sets on special order throughout the region. They told me that since December they only sold one piece, so CC stopped carrying the unit. Has anyone run into this problem? I've checked with other retailers (Best Buy, Sears) but they don't carry any XBR. I'm 1.5 hours from Knoxville, 2 hours from Atlanta and 2 hours from Nashville, but I'm afraid that if I go with a specialty HT store 120 miles away I won't get the 30-day-exchange-if-the-set-sucks deal that CC offers. I guess any dealer recommendations y'all might have would be appreciated. I'm leary of internet sales for a 200-pound monster (how am I going to carry it to the post office if I have to return it) especially with all this talk about geometry issues on the last few pages of this forum.

Thanks very much,
Nick

P.S. Sorry, but I initially posted this as a "new thread" by accident....

Originally posted by ntmd
I just moved from NJ to Chattanooga, TN (work-related). It was easy to get high-end AV equipment in NJ and I had a beautiful dedicated HT with a Dwin FP, etc. in my old house. Now I'm converting a family room by flush-mounting a RP unit into the wall (it's a big house -- one reason to move to TN). Anyway, after searching out the local showrooms (not many) I found Circuit City had the 70" GWIII on display, and the picture was a quantum leap better than any of the other sets I had seen. Even better than the 42" Sammy DLP (my last purchase, which was still on the showroom floor). Now that I've cut the hole in the wall and built a recessed shelf to set the TV on and designed the room around it, I went back to CC to order the set. First, the display unit was gone. When I asked the well-informed (NOT) salesperson if I could order one he told me Sony stopped making them. When I suggested that this was unlikely since people on this forum were buying them all over the country ("You don't know what you're talking about") he checked with another salesman and they found that the warehouse had none in strock and that there were 4 sets on special order throughout the region. They told me that since December they only sold one piece, so CC stopped carrying the unit. Has anyone run into this problem? I've checked with other retailers (Best Buy, Sears) but they don't carry any XBR. I'm 1.5 hours from Knoxville, 2 hours from Atlanta and 2 hours from Nashville, but I'm afraid that if I go with a specialty HT store 120 miles away I won't get the 30-day-exchange-if-the-set-sucks deal that CC offers. I guess any dealer recommendations y'all might have would be appreciated. I'm leary of internet sales for a 200-pound monster (how am I going to carry it to the post office if I have to return it) especially with all this talk about geometry issues on the last few pages of this forum.

Thanks very much,
Nick

P.S. Sorry, but I initially posted this as a "new thread" by accident....

ntmd,

I placed my original order for the 70" model with CC on Jan. 3rd. After nearly two months it still hadn't come in, so they let me put a supplemental "no money down" order for a 60" set, with the understanding that I could take this one if it came in first. As it turned out they did get a couple of 60" sets in about 3 weeks later, so I decided to take one because they could make no promises as to if and when they would ever receive the ordered 70" model. They also agreed that I could exchange the 60" for a 70" if one did come in, within a reasonable period of time, and that's what I still want to do. I called them a few days ago, and they say that they still have not received any 70 inch sets, going back to when I placed my original order in early January. I cannot understand what the problem is because I do see these for sale via the internet, but I know that another local chain (Ultimate Electonics) has had the same problem getting these sets in locally. Although I am not giving up all hope, and am very pleased with the 60" model, I am a little disheartened over the whole episode - I've ordered custom built cars before and none of them took over 120 days to get delivered!

If it were me, I'd make the 1.5-2 hour trip to the big city and get the 70" set. You will have the set for a long time. Surely you can call around and find someone who has it in stock. I have the 70" set and it's fantastic. I'd be unhappy with the 60" set if I knew I could put up with some inconvenience and get the big one.

ntmd

Another option would be to find the set where ever and check out the geometry, etc. before loading it up for the trip home.

I've got the 60" GWIII and I have to say that the 70" XBR is very impressive in comparison to it.

Originally posted by JimP
I agree.

I bet though many who buy the 70" XBR, don't think twice about buying the stand, and Sony knows it.

Ya, I grabbed the over-priced stand, but to be fair, it is obviously custom built for that TV and actually has snap in modules to hold the TV in place.

So while it should have a bit of a premium for the name, custom build, and custom fit, I agree Sony's taking advantage.

Originally posted by hd_axel
Robert,

Call a few Best Buy's in your area, or have them do a "Locate" for you, or do a search with the model number on Google. BB had them for $270 2 weeks ago. The backorder status is that way with a lot of stores/dealers, but you may luck out and find one in someones stock. The BB in my area had 4 in stock, and Bush Inc. is on backorder until mid to late April before they even begin to ship to their distributors... Good Luck!!

heh.. I already did that. I checked all the BestBuys even remotely near me. ;)

I also checked a couple of online retailers, and they also have it marked as backorder.

No big deal I suppose as the TV hasn't arrived yet either. It may have to go without a stand for a week or two.

Thanks!
//robert

Folks,

I just received my 60'' Sony XBR TV. I just love the TV for its looks, picture and features. But one thing annoys me and wanna make sure its the TV's issue. SD TV when viewed in 'Normal' picture mode does not cover the enire screen and their is one vertical black bar on each side.

Now when I do 'Full', the picture looks kinda strechted since it is made to cover the screen. I though 'zoom' was better since it streches 'better'. However the it chips a little bit of top and bottom of the TV image? Like the logos or scores (for games) get chipped a bit. Is that true for all of u out there as well? If thats the case, this is disappointing. I am not sure if other RPTVs do the same?

Waiting.....

Yup, you answered your own question.

SD = 4:3 aspect ratio and HDTV =16:9 (wide screen) aspect ratio. No way around it (square peg/round hole)

This is one reason why I bought the 70", so that the SD 4:3 viewed size would be bigger than my old 4:3 when in viewing a SD source.

Wouldn't that be more like Square peg / Rectangular Hole? :)

Personally, I just live with the vertical black bars for 4:3 content and horizontal bars for some of the non-16x9 content (DVD movies). Of course my brother in law doesn't care and watches 4:3 stuff stretched on his 16x9 screen, I just leave the room as there's just something wrong with that... Black bars CAN BE a "good" thing. For me it's all about watching it in the original format without the stretching and distortion caused by manipulating the picture to fit the viewing source. Of course, that's just me.

yup square peg rectangular hole, that is what I was going to write originally, except 4:3 is not square :)

Black bars when viewing 4:3 is one main reason I went with the XBR due to burn-in issues with others.

Originally posted by Corvette6769
Black bars when viewing 4:3 is one main reason I went with the XBR due to burn-in issues with others.
Same here. I was all set to buy a 42" plasma. Then I learned about burn-in. Since most TV shows are still non-HD -- and I watched a lot of shows with news tickers -- the plasma was out.

Now I have a beautiful 60" XBR that beats the crap out of the 42" plasma.

About those black bars: I'd much rather see the bars than a stretched out picture. Personally, I hate that look.

I know 4:3 is not exactly square but I thought it was closer than round. :) Lets not mince words about this. With ANY LCD-based product, burn-in doesn't even apply as LCD isn't a technology that has that issue. Neither does DLP for that matter but that's for a different forum. The older CRT projectors had a major issue with burn in, as does Plasma. LCD's don't. This is why I ditched my Sony 53" CRT RPTV I had before. The 70" XBR950 with it's 3 LCD panels not only has a bigger picture, it's brighter, sharper, has a built in HD tuner and better off-axis viewing. The only thing I've ever noticed is LCD's do have a little bleed issue with neighboring pixels but at this size I don't see it like I do on a flat panel computer screen or laptop screen. And there are no burn-in issues while playing Gran Turismo 3.

Now if they would just release GT4 and a HD DVI equipped dual tuner DirecTivo w/OTA input as well...

Originally posted by ntmd
I just moved from NJ to Chattanooga, TN (work-related). It was easy to get high-end AV equipment in NJ and I had a beautiful dedicated HT with a Dwin FP, etc. in my old house. Anyway, after searching out the local showrooms (not many) I found Circuit City had the 70" GWIII on display, and the picture was a quantum leap better than any of the other sets I had seen. Now that I've cut the hole in the wall and built a recessed shelf to set the TV on and designed the room around it, I went back to CC to order the set. First, the display unit was gone. When I asked the well-informed (NOT) salesperson if I could order one he told me Sony stopped making them. Has anyone run into this problem? I've checked with other retailers (Best Buy, Sears) but they don't carry any XBR. I'm 1.5 hours from Knoxville, 2 hours from Atlanta and 2 hours from Nashville, but I'm afraid that if I go with a specialty HT store 120 miles away I won't get the 30-day-exchange-if-the-set-sucks deal that CC offers. I guess any dealer recommendations y'all might have would be appreciated. I'm leary of internet sales for a 200-pound monster (how am I going to carry it to the post office if I have to return it) especially with all this talk about geometry issues on the last few pages of this forum.

Thanks very much,
Nick



Your concerns of an internet purchase are valid, but honestly you have nothing to worry about, because you will see the condition of the box when it arrives, plus they are packaged properly when they leave the factory. At least mine was.

Try OneCall.com, they had 3 (70's) in stock 2 weeks ago, they are a great place to deal with. I purchased many electronic components from them, High End ones at that, and Never had any problems with their delivery or items!! Other than them, you will have a real hard time finding this set otherwise, thay are on backorder almost everywhere in the US of A. I still have one on order with another merchant since January 27th and as of today, I am # 8 on the backorder list., so go figure... I have not contacted them to cancel my order yet, seeing as I already got mine from One Call, I'm just not in any hurry to do so, nor were they, or will be to fill my order... Besides if they call me when it arrives(NOT), I can just say yeah right, but thanks for your sense of urgency in expediting this order in such a prompt fashion. Just had to get that off my chest, just slightly annoyed with the merchant.

People,

Had the set for one week, now when I press power, it flashes green, then nothing happens, finally the light starts flashing red (five times) and stops.

Any help would be appreciated (yes, I am calling CC tomorrow!!!).

Thanks,

Eugene

Lamp most likely. Mine did this after 3 months. Tech came out, threw a lamp into it and I was lounging on the sofa again.

Eugeneflim

Yep, sounds like the bulb. Don't keep trying to make it come on by turning it off and on. Seems that it harms other circuitry.

This is why having a spare bulb (when you can get one) isn't such a bad idea.

Originally posted by mallu2u
... But one thing annoys me and wanna make sure its the TV's issue.
At the top of the list of threads in this (RP-HDTV) forum there is an explanation of aspect ratio and black bars.

Widescreen TVs do NOT get rid of black bars totally. (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=332900)

There is also a link at the bottom of my message to a slightly different perspective on the same topic.

There is no TV that doesn't display some material with black bars because all TV sets have a single aspect ratio and source material has many different aspect ratios.

If you were the supreme dictator of the world you could mandate that all new source material be created with an aspect ratio of 16x9. Of course you would also have to mandate that all old source material that wasn't 16x9 be destroyed or chopped to fit your TV. :D

I Know this was mentioned in the past. I even went as far as to print out the thread, but seem to have misplaced it. A search resulted in too much to browse through. I know someone can help me.
I remember someone explaining how you can eliminate unused source labels. ex. If I am currently using only Video 5(DVD) and Video 6 (Cable Box)...then how do you eliminate/skip the other unused sources to make switching between them faster??
And yes....I am in the process of shopping for a universal remote with direct source buttons. But for now any help is appreciated.

Brian S

Regarding the bulb problem, the bulb not coming on happened a few months after I got my TV, the 70XBR950. I removed the two screws that held the bulb in, removed the bulb, pushed in back in and out a few times to scrape the contacts clean and that solved the problem. It's been about 2 months since then and the TV's worked perfectly.

Happend to me three times since november. Usually works after about an hour of off time. I'm planning on getting a bulb replacement soon though.


Originally posted by eugeneflim
People,

Had the set for one week, now when I press power, it flashes green, then nothing happens, finally the light starts flashing red (five times) and stops.

Any help would be appreciated (yes, I am calling CC tomorrow!!!).

Thanks,

Eugene

Originally posted by LOTR_GUY
I remember someone explaining how you can eliminate unused source labels. ex. If I am currently using only Video 5(DVD) and Video 6 (Cable Box)...then how do you eliminate/skip the other unused sources to make switching between them faster??
And yes....I am in the process of shopping for a universal remote with direct source buttons....
Brian S

No need for a Universal Remote.

To eliminate inputs you don't use pick up your Remote and do this:

hit Menu - Go to Setup - select Video Label - Pick the Input Source and scroll through the different labels until it says Skip.

Thats it!:cool:

Originally posted by Driver
No need for a Universal Remote.

To eliminate inputs you pick up your Remote and do this:

hit Menu - Go to Setup - select Video Label - Pick the Input Source and scroll through the different labels until it says Skip.

Thats it!:cool:

I obviously missed the option to "skip" :rolleyes:
Thanks Driver!

Brian S

I had a similar problem back in Nov of last year. Called Sony they replaced with a Phillips bulb and it didn't solve the problem. Called them again and they are replacing it with an OSRAM bulb with a new ballist(on 4/22). Apparently, this new bulb is solving the problem. For those who bought this set early on they should call Sony and ask the service guy to come and replace the bulb and they are doing it for free.....Just a suggestion...


Originally posted by bigscreentv
Happend to me three times since november. Usually works after about an hour of off time. I'm planning on getting a bulb replacement soon though.

First post .. so please bear with me. :)
I just received my 70XBR two days ago after a month and half wait. Today I hooked up a DVI cable from my Dish Network HD receiver to the XBR. The picture quality is unbelievable over the Svideo cable I was using, but the strange part is that i have lost the ability to change the picture via the remote to anything but FULL. When i attempt to change to Wide, Zoom, etc.. those options are not there. Additionally, on every channel but HD channels i have what appears to be a 4:3 picture with black bars on the sides. Does anyone know if this is normal? or is there a setting i have overlooked.

Thank you
mx185sw

With a HD feed, the only "choice" is FULL. The set detects the resolution of the signal coming into it and as part of the internal changes for HD, sets the Picture to FULL.

Folks, how does the WS mode work? I bought the Sony 60'' XBR and realized that when I put a WideScreen (WS) DVD in the player and press play, the picture starts in normal mode (side cuts, etc) but then switches over the WS mode which essentially sets the picture mode on my TV to FULL mode. However instead of normal stretch I would have observed on SD (if I had set it manually to Full), there is no stretch and the picture looks gr8. I am saying this since if I override this Full mode to Normal mode again on TV, this same WS movie goes back to 4:3 mode. I discovered it by playing around and for once fraked out as to what happened to my DVD player and TV and why had my WS DVDs stopped showing in WS!

:-)

Is my understanding wrong?

It's likely that the issue is in the Setup within your DVD player. Check it out.

The TV goes to full mode, you can change it to wide mode if you like. Set your dvd to 16 x 9 . Check your THX test on one of your movies. The last two test - you need to have a good circle. If you do they are set right.

I am saying this since if I override this Full mode to Normal mode again on TV, this same WS movie goes back to 4:3 mode. I discovered it by playing around and for once fraked out as to what happened to my DVD player and TV and why had my WS DVDs stopped showing in WS!



Normal mode is 4:3, Full Mode is 16:9
Manually switching to normal mode is the reason your DVD stopped playing in widescreen.
Anything that is widescreen should be in "full mode". That's why HD signals are stuck on it and WS enhanced DVD's automatically switch to it.

Originally posted by Villanman
Normal mode is 4:3, Full Mode is 16:9
Manually switching to normal mode is the reason your DVD stopped playing in widescreen.
Anything that is widescreen should be in "full mode". That's why HD signals are stuck on it and WS enhanced DVD's automatically switch to it.

Right On Villanman!! You nailed it. Good explanation.

If the TV keeps kicking out the format you are trying to set it to, chances are you are improperly selecting the setting for the content you are viewing.

Originally posted by roblake
With a HD feed, the only "choice" is FULL. The set detects the resolution of the signal coming into it and as part of the internal changes for HD, sets the Picture to FULL.

The one thing that should be mentioned is that as previously reported HD feeds are automatically "locked" to Full mode. Which is sortof but not completely accurate from what I understand the HD format is.

It is true that all "HD" is 16x9 and on our tv, for that to resolve, it must be set to Full. From what I've seen with the OTA built-in tuner any digital HD channel will not allow you to change from full mode either regardless of the aspect ratio of the program. For tonight I tried this with both The Bachelor (4:3) and Angel (16x9). A lot of HD capable hardware devices from Satellite tuners, cable STB's and a few DVD players and the odd video card in a HTPC have DVI, RGB, and/or component outputs by which they can send HD, ED, and SD signals and some of these devices allow for you to change the aspect ratio within them. I need to hook my Samsung TS160 up and do some testing to see if it'll allow me to resize HD content.

Now follow me here... The problem I see broadcasters doing is they don't allow you to change the aspect ratio of anything they send through their "HD" feeds. KLRU here is broadcasting on their 'digital' channels and i can change the aspect ratio there on the XBR950 itself. But I don't beleive that this is a true "HD" feed. I follow Andromeda, usually watch it on the HD feed here, and although it IS a 4:3 letterboxed broadcast and coming across on a HD channel I CAN NOT change the aspect ratio to better fill my screen size! Now from what I understand there is a broadcast flag that can be set that allows the display device to allow changes to the aspect ratio. Why does'nt my local station as well as the others set the flag on 4:3 content to allow for aspect ratio changes? Are they clueless, are they lazy? Or is it just a training issue with their engineers? No answers here really, just a lot of questions and observations from my sci-fi loving viewpoint.

Currently I just DirecTivo Andromeda (same station) but the SD DTV feed of the same channel at least allows me to mess with the aspect ratio to fit my viewing source.

If anyone has some insight chime in...

Got my 70 incher back from it's second visit to the service shop Wednesday. The 'shadows,' 'smears,' or 'thumb prints' are gone and the picture is much better. They, again, replaced the 'D.I.C. Block Assembly' and the 'Optical Block Assembly.' Supposedly it included a new lamp but the lamp is a Phillips so I'm not sure they really replaced it.

Anyway, I am very glad, after 3 months, to finally have it working correctly. If you are interested in the past problems, read my earlier posts.

Ken

I have continued to test this.. and this is what i have found so far..

On the Dish HD receiver you can set the HD parameters, by default the receiver was set to 720 with options of 1080I and 420P. When i hard set the receiver to 1080I i don;t really notice any picture enhancement (but maybe i am just blind) in either case with either setting (720I or 1080I), i am not able to manipulate the picture from Full. Now if i set the receiver to 420P, i do see picture degradation on normal channels (although slight) and when i go to a HD channel, i have a great picture that fills the screen along with the ability to access zoom, wide zoom etc.

I know this is not the optimal setting and just writing this info will make some folks cringe.. but i wanted to pass it on none the less.

mx185sw

I wish the DVD players too, when they recognize a WS DVD should lock the TV's picture mode to Full. It would be a nice to have!

OK XBR owners. After months of reading and comparing I have decided on the 60 inch XBR. Now my only question is where to get it? Where do you recomend? B&M? Online? Any sugestions?

With the demand so high for this TV and supply so short, I am inclined to say where you get it. But obviously buy it from a place where you KNOW that the service is great and you can buy extended warranty. I bought it from Myer Emco but there are only in DC area. Even I had to wait for over a month but I am assured I bought it from the right place. Try good local stores or CC. For such large/high ticket sales I prefer to buy in local store than web, although u might be able to save $500 or more on web. But the peace of mind and the ability to return for me is well worth the price. Ask them to give them a realistic picture when they shall get it. Lot of times these stores just promise to get a sale and then fail to get it on time. I have seen so many p'ple on these forums getting frustated due to this reason. Best of luck. You shall love the TV. I can say that for sure!

I went to a good guys and they had a 60xbr950 open box. The salesman said it has only been there 3 weeks. The original purchaser refused delivery when the good guys deliverers were unpacking the tv at his home and they found a nick in the power cord. I looked at it and it is only the insulation of the cord that has a small nick in it. The copper of the cord is fine. I know I cant say how much they are selling it for but how about it is in the general neighborhood of fifteenish percent off. Can I say that?

So should I go for it? I forgot to ask but does anyone know how much GG's extended waranty costs and does it cover bulbs?

Originally posted by jdschwar
OK XBR owners. After months of reading and comparing I have decided on the 60 inch XBR. Now my only question is where to get it? Where do you recomend? B&M? Online? Any sugestions?

I try to always remove emotion from the equation and make it a business decision based upon well thought-out and pre-determined criteria based upon my needs, wants, and due diligence.

After an exhausting Internet and local search, having contacted over 125 dealers I learned that unless you are quoted a grand total (including delivery and tax) at or below an amount 18.71% off the MSRP, I would not consider it to be a good deal.

Depending upon the Sony volume rebate which a dealer qualifies, their dealer cost may be as little as 34% off MSRP, but for most dealers I have talked to it is 32.8%. Some as much as 31.4%.

I may have gotten a better deal myself if I had negotiated more, but I since this was the most current production and I wanted it right away, I didn't fool around.

Whoever you order from, be sure to confirm the total price (including delivery and any taxes) before you place the order (watch the fine print including things like "tailgate fees").

If you are considering a long distance purchase (or locally for that matter) you may wish to review the last part of my Post # 752 http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=3431315#post3431315 back on 2-24-04.

Here is one on eBay. I would have to assume he has it in stock. Although I have no connection to this guy, it is who I bought mine from so I know he is honest and a Sony dealer (Wisconsin). Shipping is about $200 and is fast (2 or 3 days to Kentucky).

http://cgi.*********/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=11072&item=3093322451&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

K3n

Don't you find it odd that you had several problems with yours from the same guy whose selling them on Ebay and are advising them to use him?

I was wondering if it is important to get the service warranty on the 60" for the extra money.

thanks

--they work with you to make sure you're happy (replaced my 61 Samsung DLP, which I had for 3 wks with a new 60XBR).
--30 day price match (once delivered, looks for better deals )
--They have a warranty special right now...$250/ for 4 years for the 60 AND 70 inch XBRs. That's an incredible deal (as the bulb replacement will cost that).

Question regarding porting Computer to Sony XBR (60or70inch)...

How is this done, physically? I can't find a DVI connector that fits the back of the set. there are plenty of DVI to VGA connectors out there but I haven't found one that fits the Sony.

Is it connected through the component inputs? Composite? iLink (firewire..which may be different from normal firewire as I understand).

The one thing I miss on this tv is the VGA input (which the Samsung DLP had).

You will need a DVI-D cable, not a DVI-I cable. It's digital all the way, so component or VGA signals won't grok it. Quality is FAR better than VGA.

Originally posted by roblake
You will need a DVI-D cable, not a DVI-I cable. It's digital all the way, so component or VGA signals won't grok it. Quality is FAR better than VGA.

I have used both DVI and component cables via a transcoder and really can not tell much of a difference. My wife even liked the VGA picture better on my 70" XBR. I am sure DVI is better, but I would not say FAR better since I could not even tell.

Thanks,

Chad

Silly question... is there a way to show the exact signal strength using the XBR950?

I had a Hughes HD hi def receiver that had a dedicated button on the remote. I cannot find such a feature for the XBR - is there one?

Anyone here upgraded their 60XBR950 to a 70XBR950? I just moved and my 60 seems small in my new space... would 10" make a difference? I'm still in the 30 day window where I could upgrade if I wanted to.

I am installing my 60' XBR today into a cabinet I had custom made for it. From previous posts, I think the "foot" on the TV is retractable.

Does anyone know specifically how to retract this "foot" so the screen face of the tv can be flush with the cabinet?

THANKS!!

Originally posted by seanmcgpa
Silly question...

Anyone here upgraded their 60XBR950 to a 70XBR950? I just moved and my 60 seems small in my new space... would 10" make a difference? I'm still in the 30 day window where I could upgrade if I wanted to.

I would go with the 70 in an instant! Bigger the better IMO, especially if that 60 seems small to you...

Silly question... is there a way to show the exact signal strength using the XBR950?

If your using the built in HD tuner, yes.

Originally posted by RareB
I have used both DVI and component cables via a transcoder and really can not tell much of a difference. My wife even liked the VGA picture better on my 70" XBR. I am sure DVI is better, but I would not say FAR better since I could not even tell.

Thanks,

Chad

A follow up question...
what's a "transcoder"?
The reason why i'm interested in this option is I think a transcoder will allow my laptop to be hooked up to the tv (vs my desktop, which is 3 rooms away).
I do have the Radeon 8500 video card in my desktop but it is too far away from the tv. Is there a way to connect this desktop to the tv (It does have coax that can connect the 2 through the wall)? I was thinking my best option was to find a way to connect my laptop to the tv through the vga output.
I'm also upgrading to the 70" from the 60". CC has basically loaned me the 60" until the 70" comes into stock (which could be another mnth or 2). I can't wait!

Originally posted by caveatguy
A follow up question...
what's a "transcoder"?
The reason why i'm interested in this option is I think a transcoder will allow my laptop to be hooked up to the tv (vs my desktop, which is 3 rooms away).
I do have the Radeon 8500 video card in my desktop but it is too far away from the tv. Is there a way to connect this desktop to the tv (It does have coax that can connect the 2 through the wall)? I was thinking my best option was to find a way to connect my laptop to the tv through the vga output.
I'm also upgrading to the 70" from the 60". CC has basically loaned me the 60" until the 70" comes into stock (which could be another mnth or 2). I can't wait!

A transcoder will let you connect your VGA output on your computer to a component input on your TV. They really do a great and the picture looks great with it.

Thanks,
Chad

To see signal strength for your over the air digital channels, press the Guide button on the remote and arrow to the left one time and then down arrow 3 times.

Originally posted by Villanman
If your using the built in HD tuner, yes.

Yes, I'm using the bult in HD tuner.... so how do I show the signal strength?

Originally posted by Runch Machine
To see signal strength for your over the air digital channels, press the Guide button on the remote and arrow to the left one time and then down arrow 3 times.

Thanks!

Originally posted by hd_axel
I would go with the 70 in an instant! Bigger the better IMO, especially if that 60 seems small to you...

I'm just a little concerned that I'll be more aware of "pixels" at 10-12 feet, but I did take the plunge today and called. They'll be out to swap my 60 for a 70 next week. I ordered from Tweeter - who initially gave me a hard time and refused to swap... I mentioned I was in the 30 day window and could just return the entire set and would do that if push comes to shove.

I do understand their issue to an extent - I didn't have the original packing materials. But I was never offered them on the initial delivery - the guys brought the 60" and took all the materials without asking me if I wanted to save them (I did).

This has been quite a month, with now the 70", the stand, the HD DirectTivo, the cables, the Monster Power protector... it's rare I drop so much $$$$ so fast (wheeeee!).

I have the 70" set and sit about 12 feet away. I am way too far away to see the pixels. All I see is a great big fantastic picture. You will love the 70" set.

Chad

I tried to connect my laptop through one of this transcoders just yesterday and the picture quality on the TV was horrible ! I could not make out any of the letterings under the icons, etc. I was using the following transcoder :

http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&product%5Fid=25-3085

Can you provide links to the transcoder that you use since you say it provides a great picture ?

Originally posted by RareB
A transcoder will let you connect your VGA output on your computer to a component input on your TV. They really do a great and the picture looks great with it.

Thanks,
Chad

Originally posted by kuntaldaftary
Chad

I tried to connect my laptop through one of this transcoders just yesterday and the picture quality on the TV was horrible ! I could not make out any of the letterings under the icons, etc. I was using the following transcoder :

http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&product%5Fid=25-3085

Can you provide links to the transcoder that you use since you say it provides a great picture ?


This is the one I got:
http://www.digitalconnection.com/products/video/9a60.asp


Audio Authority VGA to Component (Y-Pb-Pr) Transcoder model 9A60.
I have comparred this with $100 DVI cable from monster and really can not see a difference.

Hope you find one that works for you:-)

Thanks,
Chad

Originally posted by caveatguy
Question regarding porting Computer to Sony XBR (60or70inch)...

How is this done, physically? I can't find a DVI connector that fits the back of the set. there are plenty of DVI to VGA connectors out there but I haven't found one that fits the Sony.

Is it connected through the component inputs? Composite? iLink (firewire..which may be different from normal firewire as I understand).

The one thing I miss on this tv is the VGA input (which the Samsung DLP had).


cavaetguy

just a simple VGA-to-DVI cable will not allow you to connect vga to dvi since vga is analog output and dvi port on sony tv is a digital-only output. the vga-to-dvi cables are typically for dvi-analog or dvi-digital-and-analog ports which sony does not have.

so you will need a vga-to-dvi-convertor box and based on my research there are some of them:

http://www.ramelectronics.net/html/DVI_ADC-converter.html

http://www.devdepot.com/description.html?pcode=HVTBOOK

http://www.margi.com/products/prod_dtg.htm

Havent tried any of the above myself.

As far as vga-to-component transcoders go, I tried out the following:

http://www.grandtec.com/xppro.htm

and since it produces 480i output, it was practically unusable for me. very blurry. however it seems they also have another one that produces 480p output which they claim is specifiically for hdtv

http://www.grandtec.com/hivision.htm

but it seems like it does not support resolutions more than 640x480.

There are several other vga-to-component transcoders out there but i dont have a complete list. you can probably search through the htpc forum to get names of at least a few.

-Kuntal

Originally posted by sbakerjr
I am installing my 60' XBR today into a cabinet I had custom made for it. ...

Wow... that's one big TV. Gonna take a lot of wood to make a cabinet for a 720 inch TV. ;)

//robert

Greetings,

I have a slight but noticeable problem with my screen geometry. Horizontal is perfect but the vertical shows two problems.

1) An indention from the top in the center of the screen.
2) A displayed square appears twisted left. (Right side high, left side low)

Does anyone know which service menu items would effect these symptoms?

Thanks in advance...

Dave99

seanmcgpa,

You see the digital signal strength by pressing guide when ur watching the HD signal. On the very right menu option (dont remember it exactly as I am not in front of it), if u scroll down, there is an option for signal strength.

Folks,

Here's my dilemna. I bought a Sony 60'' XBR TV. Got excited about component cables (Monster MV3CV) and was loving the experience. Now I thought well Monster M500 is one of the best cables and bought it at eBay (therefore no return!). As soon as I did that the picture is very sharp but most of DVDs seem to have issues for me since its too sharp! I see pixels on some, etc. Prob is somewhat DVDs and some that my DVD player is not progressive. Its a 2-yr old panasonic 5-dvd changer.

Now the two choices are sell cable back on ebay or upgrade DVD player to a progressive scan. I am thinking off trying out going the DVD player route and am undecided which DVD player to go for.

What suits my budget are Pioneer DV 563AS or Sony 725P since both are under $150. Which one would you recommend and why? Or would you recommend something else?

I need to make this decision fast coz I love the TV but DVD watching is not that great anymore!

Thanks.

Originally posted by caveatguy
--they work with you to make sure you're happy (replaced my 61 Samsung DLP, which I had for 3 wks with a new 60XBR).
--30 day price match (once delivered, looks for better deals )
--They have a warranty special right now...$250/ for 4 years for the 60 AND 70 inch XBRs. That's an incredible deal (as the bulb replacement will cost that).

Can you give me more info on the special warranty deal such as a contract number and which store--My Circuit City does not have that price

mallu2u

Your system is only as good as its weakest component.

Why buy a $6K TV and only be looking at $150 dvd players

JimP: True statement. I am looking to buy the 'cheap' DVD player as a temp measure since I would not like to buy a $400 DVD player just yet. Thats all. 6K became 7K withouht blinking my eye with cables, stands, etc . Wanna wait a little while before buying the 'better' DVD player
:-)

Dave, regarding screen geometry, there is no fix or service menu adjustment. My set had this, the tech came out and talked to Sony, that's what he was told. The set was exchanged for another set that was OK.

Originally posted by mallu2u
Folks,

Here's my dilemna. I am thinking off trying out going the DVD player route and am undecided which DVD player to go for.

What suits my budget are Pioneer DV 563AS or Sony 725P since both are under $150. Which one would you recommend and why? Thanks.

I own the Pioneer DV563A, and it plays any format of DVD and CD media you throw at it. It plays DVD Video, DVD Audio, PCM, SACD, JPEG etc. It also has connectivity for Multichanel(6.1) for DVD Audio and SACD playback.

I use it strictly for PCM Stereo playback connected to a Benchmark DAC-1 (D to A Converter), because it outputs 96Khz/24bits on the optical and digital coax outputs, providing seamless and incredible audio playback. It is a bargain for the price of this unit! The video is real nice also, I have it connected to a 36" Sony XBR Glass tube set.

However, I also own a Pioneer Elite DV-59Avi that I use with the 70XBR connected through a HDMI to DVI cable, and the picture is downright stunning with that combo. This player does what the 563 does and more, but costs around 9 times more than the 563. The Video DAC in this unit is of exceptional quality! Both players provide progressive scan.

So I highly recommend the Pioneer DV563A, but I don't know anything about the Sony 725P.

hd_axel: Thanks for your recommendation. I am going to use Monster M500CV cable for video and Optical output for audio. So I am hoping that the difference should be great. My current DVD player is plain one that I bought over 2 yrs back. Down the line, I might be able to afford a Pioneer Elite too!

Originally posted by mallu2u
JimP: True statement. I am looking to buy the 'cheap' DVD player as a temp measure since I would not like to buy a $400 DVD player just yet. Thats all. 6K became 7K withouht blinking my eye with cables, stands, etc . Wanna wait a little while before buying the 'better' DVD player
:-)

Understand what you mean. ;)

Hello All,

This forum (and thread) was a great find. The information here has been incredibly helpful. It just took weeks to read it all. :D

I am about to order a 60XBR950. I am considering the extended warranty, if it includes bulb replacements obviously. But what else should it cover? All costs for site visits I assume. Any lemon clause for repeated fixes or "unfixable" items? Are there usually deductables for specific items? How about other exclusions? Typical pricing you are finding for 3yr plans?

Usually I ignore all extended warranties on all other electronic equipment (and most other items), so I really have no experience on buying these typical "pure profit" items for the dealer. However, for this set, being very expensive and having expensive bulbs, I think I see some value here in getting one.

Any help is appreciated.

bananas

Originally posted by sbakerjr
I am installing my 60' XBR today into a cabinet I had custom made for it. From previous posts, I think the "foot" on the TV is retractable.

Does anyone know specifically how to retract this "foot" so the screen face of the tv can be flush with the cabinet?

THANKS!!

I don't have the answer, but I'd like to do the same thing myself. Please post a picture when you get a chance!

Originally posted by JimP
Understand what you mean. ;)

I 2nd that "Understand what you mean" statement!!! :eek:

JimP: Read my post again. Someone asked where they could get a 60 inch Sony XBR950 immediately. I simply pointed out one Sony dealer who had them. It was certainly not a recommendation.

Also, I don't see how you could relate my problems with one TV to the dealer rather than to Sony. All the dealer did was sell the set in an unopened box.

Ken

Originally posted by K3n
JimP: Read my post again. Someone asked where they could get a 60 inch Sony XBR950 immediately. I simply pointed out one Sony dealer who had them. It was certainly not a recommendation.

Also, I don't see how you could relate my problems with one TV to the dealer rather than to Sony. All the dealer did was sell the set in an unopened box.

Ken


Ken,

Sorry for my reading into your post that a recommendation was implied. Typically, I don't mention a dealer's name unless I've personally had good experience with them. Had I received an expensive TV from a dealer that had problems, I doubt that I would have given their name out. I guess the difference might be if the problem was unknown by the dealer or if it was know by them and they were just trying to unload it.

A couple of years ago I found myself trying to get a refund from a dealer that as it turns out was buying damaged products by the trailer load and selling them as new on Ebay. It went on to include insurance fraud on the carrier as well. So if anything looks fishy, I don't recommend it. :(

Hi

Some questions on OTA programming for 60XBR950.

1. Typically the SD channels are on channel numbers without any "decimal" extension like 4, 5, 9, etc. While HD seems to be available on the ones with extensions like 4.1, 5.1, 9.1, etc. Now this may be just incidental and I realize that.

However, is there any way to switch directly to 9.1 from 48.1, or something like that using the remote ?

Currently to go to say 9.1, I have to go to 9 from the remote (by pressing digit 9) and then "up channel" to 9.1 which is getting somewhat bothersome.

2. is there any way to check the signal resolution for a given digital channel ? I am able to check whether a signal is HD or SD by going into the "Guide" but if it is HD I dont know whether it is 1080i or 720p. Is there a way to get the TV to tell me that ?

3. can a channel that is marked SD in the Guide be a digital channel ?

4. Does "Jump" work for anyone for the antenna input ? I tried it and it does not seem to work for me. Say I go from 9.1 to 48.1, and I want to go back to 9.1 and I press "Jump", it invariably jumps back to channel 2 for me - no matter what.

-Kuntal

Mallu2u,

I Have the Sony 665P - 5 disc changer connected to my 60" XBR950 and I'm very satisfied with it. Plus it's in your price range. I don't think you would be dissapointed.

With my 70" XBR I turned off ALL of the SD channels that I also get the HD feeds of. For here that means my channels consist of 7, 18.1-.4, 24.1, 36.1, 42.1, and 54.1. Fox is on 7 and so I only get an SD feed. They're such low power here that unless you can eyeball the tower you can forget about their HD. The only way to tune direct other than multiple selections through the Guide menu is to enter the channel with decimal points and select Enter.

Not all channels show up in the Guide only Digital ones. Although digital channels as we all know are not neccessarily "HD".

I simplify things internally by thinking of anything on a "Digital" channel as ED (extended definition), usually a 480i channel upconverted to 480p and broadcast over the digital feed, although I'm sure they broadcast 480i over the Digital channels as well. I think of anything thats not on the Digital subchannels as SD (although technically SD=480i regardless of whether it is Analog or Digitally broadcast, ED=480p, and HD is 720p or 1080i). The way the various networks hodgepodge the entire lineup just adds to the confusion.

Anyway I have no problem using the jump feature to go back and forth between 2 channels, regardless of whether its a Digital or Analog channel or combination of the two. I can use the jump feture to go from 7 to 42.1 or from 42.1 to 18.2 no problems. Biggest pain is the remote and entering the decimals. Best thing I can advise is get rid of the channels, particularly analog, you don't watch from the memory. You can still always direct tune them from the remote. Besides, analog channels don't feed the fiber optic output so I have to go back to the buil-in TV sound if I go to Fox.

FWIW, I rarely watch Fox on the OTA antenna or any other analog channel, picture quality is lower than the local channel feed on DTV. I enjoy my sound through my Surround setup so I watch it through the DirecTivo which has a optical output for ALL sound feeding the ES amp.

Hope it helps...

Villanman: I like the fact its black and that its a changer. What did u compare it with when u bought it. The reason I ask is that generally Pioneer is considered to a leader in DVD players and am wondering if u found the two to be comparable or one to be better than the other.
thanks

Villanman: I like the fact its black and that its a changer. What did u compare it with when u bought it. The reason I ask is that generally Pioneer is considered to a leader in DVD players and am wondering if u found the two to be comparable or one to be better than the other.

I didn't physically compare it to pioneer, I chose it basically for 2 reasons. It was the Highest consumer rated DVD disc changer on CC's website, and It being a Sony it perfectly integrated into my setup. If you go to the CC website you can read the 70+ consumer reviews. I've owned mine since Oct of last year and I am very pleased with it.

Villanman: I have to say I am liking what I am reading abt this player. Will def. give a good look to this player when I visit the store. Thanks for the suggestion.

Villanman: Look at this thread below:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=371062&highlight=665P

What is ur setting with regards to this thread?

My setting? What do i think about his issue or what is the setting on my DVD player? Sorry, Not sure what your asking.

Regarding direct channel access, I also turned off all the analog channels, by setting them to skip. When I press 4 and enter, the TV goes directly to 4.1. Same with all the other digital channels. I don't have to enter 4.1 and enter, just 4 and enter. I can still get to the analog channels by entering 4.0 and pressing enter.

Villanman: My apologies..the following is what I was referring to.

Originally posted by Budget_HT
Rook_1:

I just purchased and installed that same Sony DVD player, using progressive scan and component cables. When I first watched a movie, the picture was not good at all.

I discovered that the player was set up for de-interlacing video sources instead of automatic or film sources. Watching a film source resulted in visible scan lines and terrible resolution.

In the setup area there is a setting for either automatic, video or film. (I am at work right now and can't remember the specifics.) If you can't find this in your user manual, send me a PM and I will look it up when I get home.

Once I set it to automatic, the picture was what I expected and hoped for. This is not a videophile DVD player but it does a very good job on film-based material once it is set up correctly.

I don't know if the 'video source' setting is a factory default or not. The unit I bought was open box and discounted heavily. I would expect a factory-new unit to be set for automatic determination of video or film sources.

Let me know if you find this option and see any difference. Also, remember that DVD is still only 480p and will never look as good as HD at 1080i or 720p. But films on DVD should look much better than 480i analog video (regular TV).

Originally posted by Runch Machine
Regarding direct channel access, I also turned off all the analog channels, by setting them to skip. When I press 4 and enter, the TV goes directly to 4.1. Same with all the other digital channels. I don't have to enter 4.1 and enter, just 4 and enter. I can still get to the analog channels by entering 4.0 and pressing enter.

I never tried it without the decimals. Sure enough it works fine. If I've told it to skip the analog channel (24) but I do have 24.1 in there doing just "24" takes me to 24.1. Thanks, guess i was taking it too literal, never occurred to me to try that.

Mallu2u,
Mine is set to Auto. I believe when you first hook it up it is set to normal (non-progressive). However You will at least know If it's in progressive mode by a blue light. It's fairly easy to Change. Just Click on the Progressive button on the front of the player and it cycles through all the Progressive settings. (normal, Auto progressive,Video progressive, Film progressive).

Folks...I have heard that if u have a good TV, then the TV can do interlacing better than the DVD player...in that case..u really do not need interlacing from DVD player and should turn that off...in that case why would u need a progressive scan player? IF the above is true, does anyone know where I can switch that on for my Sony XBR?

What you said is a little fuzzy. If you have a good tv (like the XBR 950) the de-interlacing capability built into it is usually better than ones in Progressive Scan capable DVD players. Unless you have a HD progressive scan tv then obviously this discussion is useless. Also on our Sony XBR's there is no switch to turn interlacing/progressive on and off, its a setting in the DVD player menu or a switch on the back of the unit in most cases. The TV resolves whatever signal it is getting automatically according to the signal it is seeing. S-Video and composite will ALWAYS be 480i whereas Component and DVI inputs can be either 480i, 480p, 720p, or 1080i.

Basically, some people like to leave the DVD player in a non-progressive mode and let the tv do the deinterlacing because they feel it does a better job, they like the PQ better. Others like to get a DVD player with Faroudja processing and send the highest possible interlaced signal to the Sony and let the line doubler in the Sony work its magic. The Sony's line doubler supposedly doesn't do anything with progressive signals.

I feel that feeding it a 480P signal is the best way to do it. With a good progressive scan capable DVD player it is still better to have the DVD output Progressive as it's twice the data being supplied to the tv every second. If your DVD player cost less than $200 odds are the tv will do a better job. I've just started hearing good things about the Momitsu v880 DVD player which is also a region free progressive scan player, but includes 720P output via DVI (and costs about $250). With an existing player which will do both try it, watch it in one mode then flip the switch and see which one you like best. Only you can judge what you feel your tv/dvd/cabling combo works best with. Do the A-B comparision and let us know what you think.

Folks...I have heard that if u have a good TV, then the TV can do interlacing better than the DVD player...in that case..u really do not need interlacing from DVD player and should turn that off...in that case why would u need a progressive scan player? IF the above is true, does anyone know where I can switch that on for my Sony XBR?

I've Turned the progressive off on the DVD player and let the XBR do the work and I didn't like the results. The DVD player did a better job of it.

Villanman,

If you aren't using Cinemotion, you probably won't.

The only downside I've found of using the Cinemotion for the 3-2 pulldown on the TV is that it doesn't work if theres no motion occuring in the center of the screen. Evidently it only uses a select area to determine if the video is from a 24fps source.

Check Star Wars Episode II. The title scroll at the beginning of the movie has jaggies til the scroll is about a third of the way up the screen, and the Cinemotion kicks in.

Originally posted by mallu2u
Folks...I have heard that if u have a good TV, then the TV can do interlacing better than the DVD player...in that case..u really do not need interlacing from DVD player and should turn that off...in that case why would u need a progressive scan player? IF the above is true, does anyone know where I can switch that on for my Sony XBR?

I use Sony's NS-725P and I am completely satisfied with the quality. I cannot imagine better quality (well, I can but this was extremely good!).

Though I discovered that the quality will depend a lot on the content also. I have seen DVDs on this player that dont do the TV or the DVD player justice. The best experience I have had so far is the Matrix revolutions. Almost HD-like in certain scenes.

I am using progressive scan on the DVD player. I am also using component connection instead of composite (which umr recommends, i think). I also am using Monster Power (state 1) cleaner which made a huge difference with noise and waves.

At 130$ MSRP (cheaper on the street) I dont see the need for any other player (though I must confess I havent tried some of the ones that come highly recommended like Denon).

I have also tried my 4 year old RCA dvd player without progressive and with composite out only - and while the TV does a damn good job of upconverting - it still does not come even close to what I see with the Sony DVD player mentioned above.

Originally posted by kuntaldaftary

At 130$ MSRP (cheaper on the street) I dont see the need for any other player (though I must confess I havent tried some of the ones that come highly recommended like Denon).




This hobbie has nothing to do with "need". lol

It just seems strange to me that people would spend $6,000 to $7,000 on a TV and then go cheap on a DVD player and not even try one of the better players.

With the XBR, you owe it to yourself to try one of the better players. You may decide to keep what you have, then again you may see what your TV is truly capable of.

Originally posted by kuntaldaftary
I use Sony's NS-725P and I am completely satisfied with the quality. I cannot imagine better quality (well, I can but this was extremely good!)....

You may want to work on that imagination thing because it can get better. Sony has CUE problems and many have significant y/c delay issues with progressive outputs.

You would see a much better DVD picture with a Denon 910. Go to any major Home Theater store and you'll find one there. Much better than the Sony.

It just seems strange to me that people would spend $6,000 to $7,000 on a TV and then go cheap on a DVD player and not even try one of the better players.

When I spend $6000 for a HDTV, $500 for a Stand, another $600 for HD Sat Receiver. It's either go cheap or be stuck using my 6 year old Non progressive/non component out, $500 when I bought it relic of a DVD player:D .

Originally posted by umr
You may want to work on that imagination thing because it can get better. Sony has CUE problems and many have significant y/c delay issues with progressive outputs.

Are you saying that ALL Sony DVD players have problems or just that model? More details please.

Originally posted by Driver
Are you saying that ALL Sony DVD players have problems or just that model? More details please.

I helped a friend setup his system and I believe it was that model. It was rather poor in progressive because of y/c delay. Sony in general is notorious for CUE problems with their progressive players. Many of their players are some of the best interlaced on the market, but they have struggled a little with deinterlacing. I would avoid Sony if you want the best progressive performance.

what is s y/c delay? any thread I can read on that?

You might want to look at this site:

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_7_3/dvd-benchmark-part-1-video-9-2000.html

Y/C delay is a measure of how the color channels lineup with the b&w channel. When there is a timing error they do not match up correctly. This will cause edges to look smeared or the wrong color. Take my word for it. It can be a very bad thing.

Some TV's and a few DVD player's can compensate for this in the service menu.

thanks umr. I have a heard about an excel spreadsheet that you published once that shows all the service menu tweaks that u recommend for a Sony XBR. Could you tell me where I can find that spreadsheet. I am a new owner and want to first get familiarized with the SM before making any change to it.

Originally posted by mallu2u
thanks umr. I have a heard about an excel spreadsheet that you published once that shows all the service menu tweaks that u recommend for a Sony XBR. Could you tell me where I can find that spreadsheet. I am a new owner and want to first get familiarized with the SM before making any change to it.

Actually, I did not put together the spreadsheet someone else did. It does include information from my tweaks thread although it is slightly out of date. Check out these for more info on tweaking your set and links to two spreadsheets that you may want to look at.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=331875

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=3294794#post3294794

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=3246655#post3246655

thanks umr...one more Q...does making changes to the SM void the warranty..I read sometime back in ur post u had the disclaimer but I am not sure abt it. Being new to RPTV, want to know all pros/cons before proceeding.

Originally posted by mallu2u
thanks umr...one more Q...does making changes to the SM void the warranty..I read sometime back in ur post u had the disclaimer but I am not sure abt it. Being new to RPTV, want to know all pros/cons before proceeding.

Historically, Sony has been very lenient about users tweaking the SM. I would say to you what Powell told Bush. "You break it, you own it." It has been that simple in the past.

Does anyone out there have an XBR950 (I have a 60") on a Salamander Designs Synergy Triple 20 stand (~65wx20h)? I'm looking for a very clean stand setup with all the equipment and wires put away behind doors. Does anyone have experience with Salamander products, good quality? If you've got an XBR (or other TV for that matter) can you please post a pic?

Thanks,

-BG

Originally posted by Ben:Gb
Does anyone out there have an XBR950 (I have a 60") on a Salamander Designs Synergy Triple 20 stand (~65wx20h)? I'm looking for a very clean stand setup with all the equipment and wires put away behind doors. Does anyone have experience with Salamander products, good quality? If you've got an XBR (or other TV for that matter) can you please post a pic?


I don't think that stand is deep enough to handle the KDF60XBR950. The stand is just over 19" deep, but the TV is more like 23" deep, so you're going to have an overhang with the foot of the TV. Might not be safe.

Or do you have a plasma XBR950 (model KDE61XBR950?). That TV is more like 5" deep, so you wouldn't have any problems with that stand.

//robert

Does anyone know if Sony is going to come out with a new 70" XBR model this fall? I read there is a new XS line 60" being introduced in the fall but couldn't find anything out about the XBR. Also is an 11ft. to 12ft. viewing distance sufficient for the 70" or should I just go with the 60". Thanks.

TwinTurbo

Two things that you should consider. The first one is the balance between HD and SD you'll be watching. If its mostly HD, then a 70" should be fine. If its SD, then a 70" is going to be "revealing" of a poorer signal. Well mastered DVDs on a good DVD player will probably look fine, but junk signal from analog cable, not so good.

The other issue, which you've probably already considered, is 70" at 11' is pretty large. As I like large, woo hoo.

Third issue, I know I only said two, would a combination of a smaller screen with one of the new front projectors for a 100" presentation make for a better "system". Smaller screen for casual viewing, then projector for movies or sports, whatever.

Thanks for the reply JimP. As far as viewing goes, it's probably 50/50 SD/DVD, I don't have an HD box yet. Right now I have a 57" Sony CRT RPTV and at 11' SD (DirecTV) doesn't look good at all, too soft and dull. How much of a better job do you think the XBR will do with SD compared to a CRT RPTV and non-XBR Grand Wega. I have a KF-60WE610 on order scheduled for Saturday delivery, but after some research I found out the XBR had many more features compared with the WE, aside from nicer cabinet design and glass screen) so I'm considering the XBR now. Thanks.

Twin Turbo

I don't know anything about the 57" Sony that you referenced, so I can't make an informed opinion as to how it compares to the XBR.

My personal system includes the KF-60WE610 similar to what you have on order. Hooked up to SD cable, the picture quality varies depending on the quality of the signal. Added Voom satellite which carries a lot of HD and am very pleased with the HD broadcast. My viewing distance is 13 ft. Although there are times I wish the screen was larger, I keep reminding myself that I'll probably replace this set in 4 or 5 years and don't really know that spending about double for the 70" XBR makes a lot of sense for me. Unfortunately, I'm the type that wants it both ways. lol

I was at Fry's but they only had an HD signal displaying on the 70", I guess I can ask them to hook up a VCR to get an idea of what SD will look like at various distances. BTW is it better, as far as SD PQ goes, to use S-Video and bypass the TV's comb filter or use composite video in order to utilize the comb filter?

I think a person should sit just far enough away to not see the individual pixels. For me I sit about 8-9' normally and 10 feet max from my 70" and yes SD is a lot rougher when compared to the same on my 36 Wega. I couldn't imagine having to minimize the viewing experience and quality by sitting more than 10' from it. Sony recommends a minimum of 7' for the 60" and 8' for the 70". If you put your seating position further back than 10' or so and at these prices, then you need to be looking at Front Projectors like the HS-20. Of course this is just my thoughts on it. If my room had been bigger then I would've gone the projector route in there (already have a 12SF).

On lower quality SD whenever anything is displayed that is gold in color ( jewelry) or yellowish (blond hair) I get this annoying rainbow of colors on different parts of that object. Anyone else seeing this?

Go with the 70". These sets seem to "shrink" after you watch them for a while. I have the 70 and sit 13 feet from the set and it's great. I wouldn't worry about how a VCR looks on the set. How much do you really use a VCR anyway. Digital cable looks great, very close to DVD in quality. We get 11 over air digital TV stations here and they also look great, even when showing SD programming. VCR tapes look poor. DVD looks great as do HDTV programming. HD looks 3D. Everyone who has seen this set loves it. IF you can afford it, get it, you will be very happy with it.

I thought a VCR signal would simulate a DirecTV signal, that's all. I don't care about VCR, I haven't used a VCR for over 5 years now, lol. I'm gonna go to Fry's and check out the 70".

A VHS will not do a DirecTV signal justice and thus your XBR950 will very clearly show this whereas the old 36" direct view CRT won't. I have Sony's top of the line SVHS and a T60 DirecTivo both hooked via the S Video connetion and the satellite feed is much cleaner.

Also I would not go to Fry's for a demo. Where they have the 70" is particularly useless for a good demo here in Austin and from the 4-5 Fry's I've been at if it's not in the one or two demo rooms then watching it will not be a good experience. Around here they all have the same layout for their store. Try to find someone that has it in a dimmer, not dark, room on the factory stand. Frys here was not anywhere near the price I paid for mine. They were $1,000 higher which surprised me. The custom installer I bought mine from was much better. G'luck.

Originally posted by JimP
This hobbie has nothing to do with "need". lol

It just seems strange to me that people would spend $6,000 to $7,000 on a TV and then go cheap on a DVD player and not even try one of the better players.

With the XBR, you owe it to yourself to try one of the better players. You may decide to keep what you have, then again you may see what your TV is truly capable of.

Well, I just got the sony to try it out. I was quite sure that I am going to switch it for something better but I got the costliest one that Fry's had. And I was extremely surprised to see the quality. The quality for Matrix revolutions DVD was very comparable to the HD OTA that I get.

The fact that the perf was in the same range as HD OTA is the reason why I said "cant see how it can get better". Does Denon get getter than HD OTA ?

Originally posted by umr
You may want to work on that imagination thing because it can get better. Sony has CUE problems and many have significant y/c delay issues with progressive outputs.

"y/c delay issues with progressive outputs" - what does this translate to on the picture on the screen ?

as far as imagination goes, the sony dvd player with matrix revolutions playing gave perf very comparable to hd ota. since i cannot imagine any dvd player give better perf than hd ota - hence my statement.

if you tell me that denon gives better perf than hd ota then i am going to be definitely intrigued.

well, given how much you folks are praising denon, i will give it a test drive for sure anyway.

Well, browsing the rest of this forum there seems to be an anti-Sony mind set for whatever reason. :confused:

If you scroll up to the top of this page it says "AVS Forum Alliance Members" and Denon's logo appears underneath, looks like they got some kind of partnership with this site so it doesn't surprise me they are recommended all the time. I would say go with whichever looks better to you.

kuntaldaftary
See UMR's post on page 60 of this thread for a detailed description to what it does to the picture.

TwinTurboZX
If we were all anti Sony, why would we have bought Sony TVs? lol
It does look like we're against Sony DVD players, though. I'm not really against Sony DVD players, but after having what I thought was a pretty good DVD player for years(a Toshiba, not a Sony), I finally got one of the better Denon players and realized what I had been missing. As I have spent far too much on my home theater system, I felt really stupid that I hadn't spent more time looking into the DVD player part of my system. Your system is only as good as your weakest component. As I said in my earlier post, try one of the better players (Denon 2900 or 5900). If you don't see a difference, take it back. As to why many of us prefer Denon, its not because they're a sponsor of this forum, its just that they've received good ratings and it becomes a "safer" choice. If someone had the time to try out the top 10 players, wonderful. Most of us don't.

I am not anti Sony. I have owned two Sony DVD players and two Sony TV's. Denon just makes a few players that are better than many others at this time.

Originally posted by kuntaldaftary
"y/c delay issues with progressive outputs" - what does this translate to on the picture on the screen ?

as far as imagination goes, the sony dvd player with matrix revolutions playing gave perf very comparable to hd ota. since i cannot imagine any dvd player give better perf than hd ota - hence my statement.

if you tell me that denon gives better perf than hd ota then i am going to be definitely intrigued.

well, given how much you folks are praising denon, i will give it a test drive for sure anyway.

You might want to look into your STB and TV as well. I have seen no DVD player that equals the best quality HD OTA. You will not see the PQ differences in these devices if your TV is not setup to allow the maximum chroma and luma resolution to be seen.

Electronic company's have always been like this. I might make the best T.V. for years, but not so good on the other products in my line up. If you make a lot of products its even harder. This is why some of the best audio company's dont do T.V.

Denon must have come a long way in the past few years. The second or third generation Denon DVD player was marginal on picture, and functions were so slow to respond that it often left you thinking that the unit had not received the command from the remote. So you pressed the button 2 or 3 more times trying to get it to work, then the unit would suddenly respond by jumping forward 3 chapters, or doing a multiple of whatever command you were trying to input.

I've been thrilled with the quality of my Sony DVD players. Denon would have alot to prove before I would even consider trading.

Folks...I wanna stir up more thoughts here.....

As most of u already know Sony has announced their 2004 models that would be available in Q3. Here is the link for that (FYI: http://gizmodo-cnet.com.com/4520-3423_7-5123305-1.html). Here is my Q though.

Sony has announced new 60'' models as well (I have a 60'' XBR currently), specifically the KDF-60XS955. But the difference is I have BOUGHT the XBR already and paid a lot for it!...Its currently at 5500 MSRP...my Q is-- Is this new TV line such as Sony KDF-60XS955 (supposedly with more features like cable card ready, HDMI etc) a better choice than current 60'' XBR? What do u guys say? I could still return mine right now (although I would hate to)...but the build quality thing bothers me...but new feature lure me....

Things to think abt:

- Current XBRs do not see most issues noted on this board as they are mostly for GWIII. All these bulb issues do not exist for XBRs. So there has to be some quality reason or better parts for this series...since this is their flagship LCD TV.

- Do u think that new features would come at the cost of the build of the new TV against my current 60'' XBR? Not to forget the the HUGE difference in the remote build quality.

I wish there was someone from SONY out here...who could tell us more abt the build quality of Sony TVs. They are so tight-lipped abt their products.

mallu2u

If ur getting good r on you XBR, I'd sk w/ it.

All kidding aside, who knows what issues a future TV might have. If what you got works fine, no need to stress over what might be.

mallu2u,

If Sony does not continue the XBR line, and they have not indicated that they will, then the 60XS955 becomes their "flagship" LCD model. As such I would imagine that it would better their current line in build-quality, features, etc. Since they will be changing out their current DVI inputs for HDMI, they should be more easily connectable to new external devices (set-top receivers, DVD players, etc.) since the new crop of these devices are rumored to come equipped with HDMI outputs. Now if Sony is smart about it, they will equip their TV's with 2 HDMI inputs so that you can have 2 HDMI devices connected and switch between them with the remote control. That's the convenience that I hope to see in their new lineup.

I would probably tell you to stick with your XBR mallu2u.


I personally believe that Sony is going to go a little cheaper with the new XS lineup. Meaning they will use slightly inferior parts and build quality issues could become a problem. Thats just my own personal opinion but I believe it will hold true.


The XBR is the XBR. If the new model was the exact same quality they could just call it an XBR. Instead they are gonna label it XS which indicates to me they are not putting it in that XBR category of their tvs.


I'm strongly considering just getting an XBR950 myself. If I can just convince the wife that it's worth the cash i'll have a 60" very soon. I don't want to roll the dice with all these newer tvs later this year.

Besides, most STBs don't even offer an HDMI output! What good is an HDMI output gonna do me if I want to use my Comcast HD cable box that only offers DVI? It's just pointless IMO and I have no intentions of using a DVI dvd player. I think they're stupid. :)

I am not so much concerned abt the HDMI only. Cable card reader is a great thing to have built in the TV since u dont need to worry abt the receiver from the satellite/cable companies anymore....
but I kinda agree and am curious as to why they would drop the XBR tag to their TV...which def. marks their premium line..

mallu2u

Cable card reader is for cable, not satellite.

hmmm....thanks for clearing this for me Jim.

So I am always going to be stuck with these satellite receivers? :-(
I want a DVR that works with all sources...think TIVO does this...but its quite expensive between the product price and the monthly cost...

Originally posted by mallu2u

So I am always going to be stuck with these satellite receivers? :-(
I want a DVR that works with all sources...think TIVO does this...but its quite expensive between the product price and the monthly cost...


I'm hoping that my next TV has a universal tuner that accepts cable cards, satellite cards with capability of recording multiple programs at the same time. Think big, I always say. lol

yup...but after spending so much on this TV, I do not see myself buying another one for 3-4 yrs!!!

I've always picked up the top of the line Sony stuff. I find the devices last longer in service to my household.. Thus I have both a S7700 and the 999ES dvd players. The picture quality from each is night and day on my 70" XBR950. But at the same time the era in which they were designed for is also night and day. Put either of them on a 36" CRT monitor and the differences are not nearly as noticable.

I think people need to consider the video DACs being used 4 years ago and the ones being used in todays DVD players. Back then Progressive output was at a premium, nowadays some of the cheapest players not only have progressive outputs but for less than $250 you can get one with DVI-out.

When you compare the specs between 6 year old top of the line and this years top of the line its drastically different:

DVP-S7700
32-bit RISC Processor
10-bit, 27 MHz Video DAC
96 kHz, 24-bit Linear PCM
Video Horizontal Resolution, DVD greater than 500 TV lines
Non-progressive component output

NS999ES
480P progressive output, 3:2 pulldown correction
14-bit/108MHz Video DAC
192kHz/24bit Audio DAC
SACD capable

The 999ES was also HALF what I paid for the 7700. So I think people need to understand that as they move up in the size of their display device then they also need to make sure the devices feeding it signals also are up to the task. :cool:

I am looking for opinions. I currently own a 2 year old Sony 65" XBR2 RPTV. I think this set is, for the most part, excellent. I love the picture. It does have one flaw. The antiglare screen seems to loose its antiglare finish and I end up with blotches on the screen. This has happened a number of times and Sony has come out to replace the screen. Apparently, this is a known problem and Sony has now offered to replace the TV. The set that I am thinking about replacing it with is the 60" XBR LCD (can't fit the 70 incher). Should I go for it? The 60" is smaller and is LCD and not RPTV. I have read that RPTV still has the best picture. Many in this forum seem to like the LCD. All opinions, thoughts, and reasons would be appreciated.

Originally posted by mallu2u
TV since u dont need to worry abt the receiver from the satellite/cable companies anymore....
but I kinda agree and am curious as to why they would drop the XBR tag to their TV...which def. marks their premium line..

mallu2u,

A little off topic here, but I was just wondering why you always post with partial words, abbreviations, acronyms and so forth? The read-ability of your posts are difficult to follow... Do you really save time by typing abt instead of about, def. whatever that is, or Q instead of question and so on??? Maybe you will save a picosecond if that. :confused:

I have to say, I get tired trying to figure out the twists and angles in your wording to the point where I get confused or don't remember what the heck I am reading. To me it's just easier to read normal text and words. Just my two cents, didn't mean to offend....:)

Originally posted by Sonyxbr
I am looking for opinions. I currently own a 2 year old Sony 65" XBR2 RPTV. I think this set is, for the most part, excellent. I love the picture. It does have one flaw. The antiglare screen seems to loose its antiglare finish and I end up with blotches on the screen. This has happened a number of times and Sony has come out to replace the screen. Apparently, this is a known problem and Sony has now offered to replace the TV. The set that I am thinking about replacing it with is the 60" XBR LCD (can't fit the 70 incher). Should I go for it? The 60" is smaller and is LCD and not RPTV. I have read that RPTV still has the best picture. Many in this forum seem to like the LCD. All opinions, thoughts, and reasons would be appreciated.

I just purchased the 70XBR as an upgrade from an ISF'd 65 inch Toshiba RPTV. The SD was pathetic with Time Warners cable signal, and the LCD was slightly better. The HD content was as good if not better with the Toshiba. I am still viewing my LCD with factory/out-of-the-box settings.

The 70XBR's physical appearance look much better, ie. more contemporary looking. But once I get the 70XBR tweaked via UMR's procedure, or have an ISF done on it, I feel the LCD will out-perform the RPTV's picture quality. If Sony will replace your RPTV, I would jump on the opportunity without hesitation, especially with the price margin difference!!:cool:

Where did you read that RPTV still has the best picture?

I have read that RPTV's have the best picture in various threads on this forum. I have also read that the black levels on LCDs can't match those on RPTVs. What is your opinion on dropping from 65" to 60"?

Originally posted by Sonyxbr
I am looking for opinions....The set that I am thinking about replacing it with is the 60" XBR LCD (can't fit the 70 incher). Should I go for it? The 60" is smaller and is LCD and not RPTV. I have read that RPTV still has the best picture. Many in this forum seem to like the LCD. All opinions, thoughts, and reasons would be appreciated.

By definition our sets ARE RPTV (Rear Projection TV). I don't know where you heard they were not, no offense. What they are not is rear projection CRT's. You may have heard that projection (front or rear) offers the best picture quality. Black levels are outstanding on a CRT. But at the same time off angle viewing sucks with a crt that is rear projection and front projection requires drastic light control just like if it was LCD or DLP front projection. Projection CRT's also take a lot of work to keep them aligned properly. If your old set was a Sony 65" CRT RPTV then yes, the 60" XBR950 LCD RPTV would, in my opinion be an very acceptable upgrade as not only is it going to be better with off angle viewing, the 3 lcd panels are fully capable of resolving HD resolutions which I don't think the 65" will do (I could be wrong here). Colors and brightness will also be more stable from edge to edge with few, if any, hot spots on the screen. i f you can make the room the 70" is all that much nicer. :cool:

I heard that Sony upgrades their XBR line every 2 years as opposed to annually for the rest of their stuff. I think I'm gonna wait until the XS series is released then I'll decide whether I want to go with the XS or XBR. By then the XBR will hopefully have come down in price as well, AND Sony's DVI output DVD player will be released as well.

Originally posted by hd_axel
mallu2u,

A little off topic here, but I was just wondering why you always post with partial words, abbreviations, acronyms and so forth? The read-ability of your posts are difficult to follow... Do you really save time by typing abt instead of about, def. whatever that is, or Q instead of question and so on??? Maybe you will save a picosecond if that. :confused:

I have to say, I get tired trying to figure out the twists and angles in your wording to the point where I get confused or don't remember what the heck I am reading. To me it's just easier to read normal text and words. Just my two cents, didn't mean to offend....:)

Point noted! :-) Don't mean to save time. However these days a lot of the acronymns I use are pretty common. Or atleast I thought they were! Guess I have been spoiled by chat lingo. I shall be careful and thanks for pointing this out.

Driver.. Thanks for the reply. I should have said CRT vs LCD instead of RPTV vs LCD. I understand that the current 60" xbr LCD is rear projection. My current 65" xbr2 does an excellent job resolving HDTV resolutions. That's part of my dilemma. If it did not look so good it would be easier for me to get rid of it! The viewing angle is a good point. Unfortunately I cannot fit the 70 incher as I have an existing cabinet. Does anyone else have an opinion on this protential swap of my current Sony 65" XBR2 CRT RPTV for the Sony 60" XBR LCD RPTV?

Originally posted by Sonyxbr
...Unfortunately I cannot fit the 70 incher as I have an existing cabinet. Does anyone else have an opinion on this protential swap of my current Sony 65" XBR2 CRT RPTV for the Sony 60" XBR LCD RPTV?

If it's one of those cabinets that have a bridge and its a recent unit I've found that the original manufacturers can sometimes supply a wider bridge to accomodate you. If not, personally, I'd find a local cabinet maker to widen it out. :) Of course I can understand what you have just doesn't and won't ever work with something that big. It is quite a large set. I've never seen the 65" XBR2 to compare it directly to the XBR950 so good luck!

The following is only my opinion, and nothing more.. concerning the future of the XBR rear projector. I have dug around on the internet looking for info on this set for a long time. There have been a couple Sony press releases over the last year stating the intention of putting the new SXRD chips in the RP. The product lineup for next year is missing the XBR models and the very popular 70" unit. Also, the light engine was redesigned for the GWIII and will apparently continue along with the hd tuners throughout the line (an XBR feature). Sooo, I think with the line tweaked, maybe late in '05 the XBR will resurface with the SXRD light engine, full HD res, 70" screen, any other bells and whistles they can think of, and a -breathtaking- price tag. Well, hey, its just a guess.

Dave

Hi

I recently got my original March built 60XBR950 replaced for a new unit of the same model due to dead pixels, geometry and convergence issues.

The new unit is an April build with no dead pixels whatsoever - better geometry (but not perfect) and marginally better convergence (i am almost sure that perfect lack of convergence on these sets is a pipe dream).

But I am seeing newer problems that has me concerned. I am seeing definitely pixelization - mostly on HD OTA - NBC and PBS. Mostly during
scene changes as if it takes the unit a sec to display the picture in full resolution. Sometimes during motion. Not sure if this could be attributed to compressed stream since this is OTA. Also I never saw this problem with the previous unit for the exact same repeats on PBS.

I am also seeing a lot of white noise unlike the previous unit. SD is the worst but lets forgive SD. DVD is also noisy slightly but again that could be content like I discovered. But HD OTA ! That shows some noise and it is directly connected through a 4ft coax which isnt long enough to pick up so much noise.

Could these two issues be something that change from unit to unit ?! so
much ?

-Kuntal

Kuntal,

If you have all these issues with your set, see if you can upgrade it to the 70"XBR. I have had mine working flawlessly since March, no geometry or pixel issues, no convergence problems, just Grand Wega beauty and performance... Oh, and it has a Philips bulb in it too as well as the set being on at least 9 hours a day!!

I just can't say enough about how nice this TV is by its features and the way it's made and engineered, the built-in ATSC tuner and its functions, the 3:2 pulldown technology, the uniform brightness, no worry about image burn into the screen etc, etc.

However, I do have some features that I personally would have desired to have on this model, such as I wish the blacks were a little blacker in comparison to my previous Toshiba CRT/RPTV, which I most likely would not have noticed and desired if it were not for owning and seeing this on my previous TV. I also would have liked to have a second DVI connection as well as a HDMI connection on this set, and that is about it! But then again, you can't always get what you want...

I also however feel it is about time someone says something positive about this generation of LCD XBR's. As I read the 62plus pages of history on this thread/subject, about 80% of the posts here are people complaining or dissatisfied about their set in one form or another, which in turn leaves the newcomer reading this information and posts thinking the LCD XBR may be a a bad choice and a down right piece of s.... with way too many issues and problems. That truly is NOT the case with these XBR950's.

Nothing in life is perfect, but I feel that this KDF70XBR950 that I own is close to it!! Sure it is an expensive unit, wether you paid $3000 or $8000 for it, but the way I see it, you soon forget about the pricetag as you enjoy the awesome picture displayed and the cinematography of your favorite movie in the comfort of your own home!!:D

OTA reception problems have their own forum (main menu). Check to see if your town has a thread. The biggest problem is the local stations are not always using enough bandwidth for the main channel because of the subchannels, or just plain sloppy engineering. The pixelation doesn't have to be there, and its not in your set. There is an enormous amount of info on that forum, it may help.

Dave

Most stations are passing through their feeds unchanged. I've found that the program material is more apt to show the difference from the studio than the local station broadcast. Before the 70" XBR (36" XBR WEGA) I wouldn't have noticed so much but now... CSI is always sharp with very realistic colors wehereas Navy NCIS has always shown a very RED tint to it. JAG is also one that pops on the colors and quality. Joan of Arcadia is always dark. If you follow Cold Case they deliberatly have a graininess to the show particularly on the monochromatic flashbacks. One Tree Hill although a little dark still has good color saturation as does Smallville and Everwood.

I don't know if the major differences we see is technical on the editing side or with the equipment the shows are shot with. I can understand seeing film grain on movies and such but at this point are the studios even using film for their sitcoms? I would assume they would all be using HD cameras and recording right to hard drives. I also know that its rumored some studios have deliberately added film grain into product to make it more "filmlike". There was a entire thread on this and how it would pertain to Star Wars II ATOC because a lot of people thought it looked too CGI because of the lack of film grain. So compare one show on the same channel against another to see if it's the show itself (the studio) or the broadcaster that is determining what end product you are seeing. I think it might wind up being the studio more often than you think.

Along this line I'm kind of surprised at some of the shows (Friends, Charmed, The Bachelor, Survivor) that were not even shot in HD the last two seasons. I'm hoping the networks get on the ball and start upgrading their equipment to fix this.

Now if I didn't have my XBR950 it wouldn't make that big of a difference but if I can upgrade MY equipment then why can't the networks upgrade thiers with the millions of dollars per show that these shows generate? It's not like I'll be buying the DVD's at the end of the season to watch 4:3 content on my 16x9 tv.... Of course 24 may be different as it IS filmed in HD, Fox just hasn't lived up to their end. :( Hopefully the show gets all of the revenue from the DVD sales.

I am new to this forum. I appreciate all the valuable information that the posts have provided. I am about to purchase the 70xbr but have been slowed down by availability issues and concerns for the reported problems Sony has been having providing units that do not require visits from the repairman. In reply to a post about Sony's announcement of next years models, I want to point out that Sony's failure to include a new version of the 70 xbr in their Feb. announcement does not mean that they are not going to produce a new model 70xbr. The current model was not announced in February of 2003 it was announced separately in June of 2003 at the San Francisco Consumer Show I believe. I would anticipate an announcement concerning the new year model 70xbr sometime in June.

Just to echo HD-Axel's comments: I've got the 70" set and the matching Sony stand. The set is awesome. It's connected to my attic antenna and gets a fantasic over the air picture. Peope are awestruck when they see how great the set looks and the HD picture from network broadcasts. However, it is the second model for me because the first one had geometry issues. The replacement is perfect, HD, most SD and DVDs look great. I've done the UMR tweaks as well. Despite the problems listed here, if someone is considering this set I urge you to go for it, and get the biggest one you can fit and afford. Bigger is better. Remember, most people only post when they have problems. This set has been a best seller because it looks and works so well.

Thanks for the replies to my questions. My questions were not specific to HD OTA reception but rather issues with my unit and this model.

Also, one thing - like I posted before - is that the previous model seemed to NOT have these very issues. I have had the opportunity to see the reruns on PBS over and over on the previous and the replaced set and somehow the previous set did not show the problems that this one does.
The exact same rerun of the same show should perform the same on both the sets - right ?

I tried UMR tweaks - it worked wonders with the previous set but not so with this one.

Has anyone who has been through more than one of these units seen each unit perform noticiably differently in terms of PQ from each other ?

And btw to all the loyalists who seemed to be on the verge of raising pitchforks against me - there is a reason why I bought this model - this _IS_ the absolutely best PQ out there in this and similar technologies. I just want to make sure if the particular unit that I have is worth the money I paid for it and is worth what I think it is worth ahd is performing like I saw it perform in the showroom.

Originally posted by Driver
Most stations are passing through their feeds unchanged. I've found that the program material is more apt to show the difference from the studio than the local station broadcast. Before the 70" XBR (36" XBR WEGA) I wouldn't have noticed so much but now... CSI is always sharp with very realistic colors wehereas Navy NCIS has always shown a very RED tint to it. JAG is also one that pops on the colors and quality. Joan of Arcadia is always dark. If you follow Cold Case they deliberatly have a graininess to the show particularly on the monochromatic flashbacks. One Tree Hill although a little dark still has good color saturation as does Smallville and Everwood.

I don't know if the major differences we see is technical on the editing side or with the equipment the shows are shot with. I can understand seeing film grain on movies and such but at this point are the studios even using film for their sitcoms? I would assume they would all be using HD cameras and recording right to hard drives. I also know that its rumored some studios have deliberately added film grain into product to make it more "filmlike". There was a entire thread on this and how it would pertain to Star Wars II ATOC because a lot of people thought it looked too CGI because of the lack of film grain. So compare one show on the same channel against another to see if it's the show itself (the studio) or the broadcaster that is determining what end product you are seeing. I think it might wind up being the studio more often than you think.

Along this line I'm kind of surprised at some of the shows (Friends, Charmed, The Bachelor, Survivor) that were not even shot in HD the last two seasons. I'm hoping the networks get on the ball and start upgrading their equipment to fix this.

Now if I didn't have my XBR950 it wouldn't make that big of a difference but if I can upgrade MY equipment then why can't the networks upgrade thiers with the millions of dollars per show that these shows generate? It's not like I'll be buying the DVD's at the end of the season to watch 4:3 content on my 16x9 tv.... Of course 24 may be different as it IS filmed in HD, Fox just hasn't lived up to their end. :( Hopefully the show gets all of the revenue from the DVD sales.

hi - seeing a new issue with my 60xbr950

the tv display letters at the extreme corners seem to be showing a slight
amount of ghosting. the ghosting is faint but the displacement of the ghost is much higher than usual.

attaching a photo below:

http://www.employees.org/~daftary/tv-ghost-1.jpg

now, believe me, the actual phenomena is more pronounced than the photo - and can be observed upto 7-8 ft away with slight effort.

here is another photo that outlines the ghost i m seeing

http://www.employees.org/~daftary/tv-ghost-2.jpg

This happens pretty much only in the 2 cornermost letters - M and u in this case. Seems to happen in all corners that I could test.

I cleaned the screen thinking it might be some dust thats causing some weird diffractions that is causing this ghosting but that did not solve it.

Anyone else seeing this on their sets ?

-Kuntal

kuntaldaftary
Do the pixels in the ghosting area appear sharp or somewhat fuzzy?

Chromatic aberration has been discussed before at length. If the pixels in the ghosting area appear sharp, then its likely to be a misconvergence in the LCD chips which if severe enough could warrant a new set or light engine replacement. If its of the fuzzy variety(chromatic aberration), then its likely to be due to the lens which there's not really anything you can do..

A lot of people see this on their sets. I've only heard on occasion someone comment that they've got perfect convergence(which I'm somewhat skeptical about).

Turned on the 60" XBR and I get the normal 6 green blinking lights, then a quick amber light and then 4 red blinking lights. Repeats the 4 blinking red lights. Anyone know what I'm up against?

Thanks
Dom

Sounds like your bulb died. In the last couple of weeks, has your picture been a bit dimmer than normal?

Originally posted by JimP
kuntaldaftary
Do the pixels in the ghosting area appear sharp or somewhat fuzzy?

Chromatic aberration has been discussed before at length. If the pixels in the ghosting area appear sharp, then its likely to be a misconvergence in the LCD chips which if severe enough could warrant a new set or light engine replacement. If its of the fuzzy variety(chromatic aberration), then its likely to be due to the lens which there's not really anything you can do..

A lot of people see this on their sets. I've only heard on occasion someone comment that they've got perfect convergence(which I'm somewhat skeptical about).

JimP

Thanks for the reply.

The pixels are fuzzy. So it is chromatic abberation ? The strange part is the amount of displacement I am seeing - it is almost 1/4" or so as opposed to pixel or two which would be typical for chromatic abberation. Also I am not seeing color bleed which is typical of chromatic abberation phenomena.

What I am seeing is almost like a faint fuzzy M and u slightly to the right
and up.

Well, I am in the first 30 day time frame so I can send the set back to the store still and get yet another replacement.

-Kuntal

Originally posted by JimP
Sounds like your bulb died. In the last couple of weeks, has your picture been a bit dimmer than normal?

Not really. It's relatively new, approx 200 hrs and I haven't noticed any dimness. Thanks for the reply. I appreciate it.

XBRless

Dom

There are 2: one for $3500, the other for $2700.

Can this be legit?

Originally posted by peterhodes
There are 2: one for $3500, the other for $2700. Can this be legit?

I only see the one for $2700 and the seller only has 15 feedback. If you are seriously interested, I'd start off by contacting the seller and and ask why so cheap. I'd defintely be cautious of the low feedback. Fifteen transactions isn't much of a track record for such a high-dollar item. I try to stick with the sellers with 500-1000+ feedback over 99% satisfied.

I am always skeptical of a deal that sounds to good to be true.. But who knows, could be a good opportunity.. Just my opinion here..


-chris

Originally posted by Dominus
Not really. It's relatively new, approx 200 hrs and I haven't noticed any dimness. Thanks for the reply. I appreciate it.

XBRless

Dom
I'd bet it's the bulb. Mine did the same thing at the 90 day mark. Local Sony repair put a bulb in and I was good to go. No charge.

Dominus, look at Manual & make certain bulb is in good. this was a early problem with XBR & WE sets....