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Trip in VA

01-18-09, 08:39 PM

http://www.tsreader.com/tsreader/TSReaderLite2.8.46e.exe

Go there and download TSReader Lite. Install it, and when it asks for a driver, choose "HCWATSCSource." Then, input the physical channel number of the station you want to view. In this case, it's 56. Let it load up and it'll give you a bunch of information. Give it 10-15 seconds to settle, then go to the Export menu, and choose HTML Export. Check all of the boxes at the bottom except for "EIT" and "Thumbnails" and then save it and either attach it to a post here or e-mail it to me and I'll look at it and tell you if I see anything obvious.

The only thing I would want that's different is that output, but for all the stations you get and not just WLOS-DT on 56. If you'd be willing to do that so I could update my site with the info, I'd be so grateful. =)

EDIT: Should you decide to e-mail it to me, you might need my address. =) webmaster at rabbitears dot info.

- Trip

turnofftv

01-18-09, 10:24 PM

Thanks to all of you who participated in our facilities test Saturday AM. JTBell's log is an accurate depiction of what went on. (I was out in Jackson County on top of a mountain so my attempts at notetaking didn't work out quite as planned.) Since we got off to a somewhat-slow start, due mostly to a small plumbing issue at our patch panel, we elected to run past our initial shutdown time of 3:30am.

In addition to the positive feedback on this venue, our reports from other monitors around the market give us confidence about our service in the market after Feb 17th, in part due to the inherent physics of the lower channel in this terrain and the more stable hardware we'll be shifting to.

Thank you all again for your help.

Rollin Tompkins
Dir of Engineering
WLOS/WMYA

jself1982

01-18-09, 11:29 PM

turnofftv

01-18-09, 11:53 PM

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Your WMYA OTA DT signal primetime programming isn't in HD, its stretched SD. Why is this? The master feed you get on Galaxy 16 has a SD feed and a HD feed that works fine, why is WMYA not passing thru the HD signal? Watch WWE Smackdown on Friday's on 40.1 and tell me why my wrestling is stretched SD.

Thanks.

We had gotten some complaints during WWE, but these were tracked down to the show not beinig produced in "4:3 safe", so the fans that were suffering were the ones watching the center-cut on our SD delivery. At the time I checked, the HD 16:9 on 40.1 was okay. I'll check again. Thanks.

jself1982

01-19-09, 02:07 AM

We had gotten some complaints during WWE, but these were tracked down to the show not beinig produced in "4:3 safe", so the fans that were suffering were the ones watching the center-cut on our SD delivery. At the time I checked, the HD 16:9 on 40.1 was okay. I'll check again. Thanks.

I have noticed this on a lot of the primetime programming that is in HD in other markets and on Galaxy 16 master feed but 40.1 keeps it stretched HD, otherwise all the SD comes thru on 40.1 with black sidebars. So it happens a lot more than just on WWE Friday Night Smackdown.

popweaverhdtv

01-19-09, 09:11 AM

"Live with Regis and Kelly" is looking good in HD on WYFF. I wonder if the show is using a very light soft lens filter on their cameras.

jself1982

01-19-09, 10:04 AM

"Live with Regis and Kelly" is looking good in HD on WYFF. I wonder if the show is using a very light soft lens filter on their cameras.

I don't see Kelly's wrinkles here, and I know she gots some wrinkles! :)

jerry birdwell

01-19-09, 10:57 AM

These days there are a number of "Cosmetic" lens and electronic programs to reduce the effects of aging. Strong personalities often have it in their contracts that such process will be provided.

rrainwater

01-19-09, 11:59 AM

"Live with Regis and Kelly" is looking good in HD on WYFF. I wonder if the show is using a very light soft lens filter on their cameras.

It's just the main camera that does that. I guess they are doing it on purpose but I think it looks really bad.

douglasd5

01-20-09, 06:11 AM

They'll flash-cut to channel 36 and operate at 1000 kW from a side-mount antenna (1712'). Then in March, they'll be removing the analog channel 4 antenna and replacing it with a new channel 36 antenna at the top (1954'). So technically, it'll be at 1000 kW either way, but the height will be different, which in such terrain as is found in the area, can make a difference in reception.

This is correct. The current side-mounted channel 59 antenna is about 150' higher than the side-mounted channel 36 antenna. Both are mounted on the south leg of the tower. So when we switch to ch 36, we'll lose a little height, but moving to ch 36 at the same power will mean about the same coverage as 59 but less than a top mounted ch 36 thus the FCC requirement for the coverage notice. When we get ch 36 to the top of the tower, the most improvement will be to the north since the signal won't be passing through the tower which attenuates the signal some. The lower channel will improve reception for some too.

Hopefully the transition won't be delayed. The new top mounted ch 36 antenna (ordered about 8 months ago) is to be delivered in early March and the tower crew is scheduled for the same time. So a transition delay will cause problems for us and many stations in a similar situation.

Doug

SnakeDoctor

01-20-09, 06:18 PM

Is there anyone out there using an HDHomeRun to record shows via OTA? If so, I need help tracking down an anomaly I am experiencing with WYCW. I'm seeing a video glitch every 31 seconds 24/7. I have confirmed this glitch at my home in Greer, SC and at another home in Simpsonville, SC (12.5 miles away). All I ask is that you call up the HDHomeRun Config utility, tune to WYCW (Physical channel 45) and watch the bar labeled "Symbol Quality" for about 2 minutes. When I do this, I see the Symbol Quality go from 100% to around 15% for 1 or 2 seconds. EVERY 31 SECONDS! I would like to know who else out there is or is not seeing this.

Thanks in advance.

jtbell

01-20-09, 07:34 PM

SnakeDoctor

01-21-09, 10:28 AM

I don't have HDHomeRun, but I do regularly record WYCW's Star Trek reruns on Sunday mornings at 5 a.m. I've never noticed a periodic visible glitch, just the occasional glitch when the wind kicks up a lot and blows nearby trees around, or a big thunderstorm moves through my line of sight to the transmitter. Most of my recordings are clean.

Does HDHomeRun use the same file format as EyeTV? If so, I can record a sample on EyeTV and send it to you for checking.

I don't know about EyeTV. The HDHomeRun simply provides a transport stream which is captured by my HTPC. If what you record is also a transport stream then a sample may provide another useful data point for me.

I have verified the periodic errors using TSReader. To ensure this glitch is not something specific to my hardware, I'm looking for someone with similar hardware to see if they do or do not see a similar issue. Thanks for the offer to help.

calvinb

01-24-09, 04:13 PM

Greetings all,

I'm looking for some advice on which UHF/VHF antenna might be a good replacement for the old Channel Master 4228 which has done great work the last 4 years or so. With a few of our locals moving (expected to move?) to VHF, I anticipate needing a VHF antenna. I also have a CM pre-amp wired in (believe it's the 7777). And I'm already using a rotor.

What I'd really love is something big enough to pull in everything locally and perhaps even a few Charlotte stations. Seems like I've seen a few posts around here about some of our members pulling in some of the Charlotte stations. Anybody got any ideas or suggestions?

Couple other notes: I'm a DirecTv user and normally run the OTA thru the STB; am currently using the AM 21 off air tuner. Anyone got experience or tips for this? Also, I'm pretty much tied to the attic only - although the attic is large. At this point I'm staying off the roof. For now.

Don F.

01-24-09, 05:33 PM

[QUOTE=calvinb;15641469]Greetings all,

I'm looking for some advice on which UHF/VHF antenna might be a good replacement for the old Channel Master 4228 which has done great work the last 4 years or so. With a few of our locals moving (expected to move?) to VHF, I anticipate needing a VHF antenna. I also have a CM pre-amp wired in (believe it's the 7777). And I'm already using a rotor.

I would think the 4228 will continue to serve you well after the switch, it will go pretty low. If not you could add a Winegard YA 1713 high vhf. It should be a fairly simple install as your preamp has a vhf input. I'm not sure about the Charlotte stations, J T should respond, I think he can get N C stations with his set up. The 4228/ya1713 combo would be better than any "one" uhf/vhf unit. In my opinon....

jtbell

01-24-09, 07:50 PM

I've read that the 4228 has fairly decent gain for high-VHF, so it might work OK for you for channels 7, 9 and 13 which will be the VHF channels for the Greenville area. The only VHF channel in Charlotte will be 11 for WTVI (PBS), but it's low power even for VHF and its coverage area isn't very big. With my YA-1713 I can pick up WTVI only occasionally, maybe a couple times a month.

dubber

01-25-09, 06:06 PM

eacalhoun

01-26-09, 09:33 AM

Regarding WLOS DT 56.1 and 56.2

Wow the signal is really terrible lately. Very irregular strength with the old cyclical fading, even when the winds are calm throught out the signal path area. Could it be that this transmitter has been moved to low power with the impending switch to their new 13.1 transmitter? It does look like there is a Standing Wave Ratio problem. Anyone else noticing this lately. Before a couple of weeks or so ago the signal was really very good. Strong and steady .

As I stated in posts several months ago, I have a Zenith DTV converter that has always had an "up and down" signal of WLOS (Mt Pisgah) as well as WMYA (Anderson). This is still the case, and this makes both of these channels unbearable to watch -- unless I get those rare periods when the atmosphere allows for a stronger signal which keeps it from falling to the "cliff" on the signal dip. However, I have 3 other Dish DTV Pal boxes which maintain a steady, more consistent signal. Bottom line -- there is some problem with the WLOS/WMYA transmitters otherwise a signal should be consistent on all brands of tuners.

Eric

rrainwater

01-26-09, 11:22 AM

I do not have any problems with WLOS DT. I get a constant 90-93% signal using a DB4 antenna. I do have a lower signal quality with WMYA (usually in the 80s), but it seems to work without any major issues for me. Granted I am not far from the towers.

jtbell

01-26-09, 05:30 PM

Sometime last fall, Shaun Bennett at SCETV posted that they would change their OTA subchannel lineup upon analog shutdown, with subchannel 1 becoming HD, subchannel 2 being the South Carolina Channel, and subchannel 3 disappearing.

Today I received the February "Scene" magazine which mentions on page 13:

PLEASE NOTE:

Due to the digital conversion, State House Today will be broadcast on ETV's third channel, ETV World, beginning Feb. 18. Please check local cable listings for your channel number.

Does this mean that there will be an OTA subchannel 3 after all? I can't find anything at all about details of OTA changes, or about "ETV World," on www.scetv.org.

Trip in VA

01-26-09, 10:05 PM

Sounds like the plan changed. I'd say it's too bad, but PBS World is a very nice channel, if that's what you're getting. I have it at home and I found myself addicted to it.

Now I'm at school and don't have that addiction anymore. At least, until the next time I go home. :D

- Trip

jself1982

01-26-09, 11:17 PM

If that bill passes, the dtv transition may be delayed until june 12, so does this mean the tv stations won't be making changes such as the ones etv proposed?

Trip in VA

01-26-09, 11:28 PM

ETV has already told the FCC they're shutting off analog on February 17. The money isn't there to keep the analogs going.

- Trip

jself1982

01-27-09, 10:47 PM

Well I hope they don't get rid of The SC Channel. I enjoy it but I have noticed lately that it has some of the same programming on it as PBS HD on subchannel 3.

greerguy

01-28-09, 07:04 AM

D* now has Comedy Channel in HD but no shows yet. This is like watching grass grow.

The Master Geek

01-28-09, 01:50 PM

StrangeCock

01-28-09, 01:50 PM

The bill just lost...the transition is still on for Feb. 17.

SnakeDoctor

01-28-09, 02:56 PM

Wondering if anyone could help me out. I currently have a cheap Phillips indoor antenna but I have a hard time getting anything but a few stations consistently. Anything other than 4(NBC) 21(FOX) and 62(CW) is iffy. I would really like to be able to get CBS (7) digitally. Depending on how I move my antenna I can get 40 but the video and audio seem out of sync most of the time. Is this due to poor reception?

Based on my tvfool chart would it be worthwhile to get a outdoor roof mounted antenna? If so what stations do you think i could get reasonably? I think I would need a rotator but I don't know anything about how that would work. Also suggestions on what antenna to get would be great. Sorry for all the questions but I'm trying to figure all this out. Thanks.

FWIW, I get 4, 7, 13, 21, 33, and 62 with this (http://www.warrenelectronics.com/antennas/4228HD.htm) antenna (Channel Master 4228HD) mounted in my attic. No rotator. I am about 2 miles north of downtown Greer, SC. Based on your location and distance from the towers it seems to me you should be able to get all of these channels with no problem unless you are in a low area or there are some major obstructions between you and the towers.

jself1982

01-28-09, 06:53 PM

Wondering if anyone could help me out. I currently have a cheap Phillips indoor antenna but I have a hard time getting anything but a few stations consistently. Anything other than 4(NBC) 21(FOX) and 62(CW) is iffy. I would really like to be able to get CBS (7) digitally. Depending on how I move my antenna I can get 40 but the video and audio seem out of sync most of the time. Is this due to poor reception?

Based on my tvfool chart would it be worthwhile to get a outdoor roof mounted antenna? If so what stations do you think i could get reasonably? I think I would need a rotator but I don't know anything about how that would work. Also suggestions on what antenna to get would be great. Sorry for all the questions but I'm trying to figure all this out. Thanks.

I am in Easley and am using a Radio Shack VU 190, its the biggest they sell with a channel master 7778 amp and I get everything for this are with no dropouts and occasionally I get *some* Charlotte and Atlanta OTA's, depends on which way the wind blows.

jtbell

01-28-09, 07:43 PM

it seems to me you should be able to get all of these channels with no problem unless you are in a low area or there are some major obstructions between you and the towers.

There are some major obstructions. His TVFool plot shows most of the local channels as "1Edge" or "2Edge" meaning that the signal has to diffract around one or two hilltops or mountain tops. The only station he has line-of-sight (LOS) to is WHNS (FOX).

jself1982 mentioned the Radio Shack VU190XR, which would probably do the job. I used to use one myself. But it has a lot of wasted size and weight because it includes the low-VHF channels (2-6) which aren't going to be used at all here after WYFF shuts down its analog signal on channel 4. On a full-range antenna, the largest elements are for low VHF. An antenna setup designed for only high VHF (7-13) and UHF is much smaller and lighter for a given overall sensitivity. Or to put it another way, for a given "budget" of weight you can get a more sensitive antenna.

I think the Winegard HD7697P or maybe the slightly smaller HD7696P would be a good choice. Add a Channel Master 7778 or 7777 pre-amp, and a rotator so you can fine-tune reception to avoid dropouts.

popweaverhdtv

01-28-09, 07:44 PM

The bill just lost...the transition is still on for Feb. 17.

It'll be interesting to see if Congress can get their agendas together and have another version of the bill passed before Feb. 17th.

The Master Geek

01-29-09, 09:26 AM

Thanks jtbell! Now just got to save a little money up and do some research on how to install all of it. And borrow some tools from my father-in-law. ;)

cityslicker

01-29-09, 10:06 AM

Is anyone else picking up 14-1/14-2 & 59-1/59-2 in the Greenville/Anderson area? I adjusted my "antenna" yesterday and rescanned using my TivoHD and picked up these 2 channels. 59 is WYFF, is this where it's moving to on Feb 11? 14 is coming in strong, but it's just a black screen.

jtbell

01-29-09, 12:03 PM

59 is the channel that WYFF has been using for digital broadcasts since it started them way back when. After analog shutdown they'll use channel 36 instead. Normally your Tivo should automatically re-map 59-1 and 59-2 to 4-1 and 4-2, but there may have been a temporary problem with the part of WYFF's data stream (the "PSIP data") that tells your Tivo how to re-map the channels.

Similarly, 14 is the channel that WMYA uses for digital broadcasts. 14-1 and 14-2 should automatically re-map to 40-1 and 40-2.

cityslicker

01-29-09, 03:46 PM

Interesting, I still receive WYFF & WMYA on their appropriate channels, I guess I just get doubles now.

gbynum

01-29-09, 04:48 PM

It'll be interesting to see if Congress can get their agendas together and have another version of the bill passed before Feb. 17th.You sound for it ... I just thanked Bob Inglis for being in the minority against it preventing the 2/3 majority. He feel that there will be a different procedure done to only need 50%+1. The last thing I want is for there being channels switching on top of channels not switching, and some will HAVE to switch for various reasons.

gbynum

01-29-09, 05:05 PM

Yesterday in the 5PM range, those 3 channels died. Later in the evening, they were back. Today at 4:50 or so I turned to WSPA for their local news and the QAM 103 channel (.1, .2, and .3) is dead. I don't have a box to know if their HD box customers are down too, but does anyone know if there is anything we can do? The other QAM HD channels are up, 77.2 (ABC) and 104.1 (Fox).

easymacfu

01-29-09, 06:19 PM

cityslicker

01-29-09, 08:46 PM

Locals, in HD, were not coming in on my Charter box at work. Looks like they are working now (20:46)

popweaverhdtv

01-30-09, 04:33 AM

You sound for it ... I just thanked Bob Inglis for being in the minority against it preventing the 2/3 majority. He feel that there will be a different procedure done to only need 50%+1. The last thing I want is for there being channels switching on top of channels not switching, and some will HAVE to switch for various reasons.

Actually, I'm ready for the mess to be over with. I'll be glad for the commercials to promote it to end. Now, we'll have to hear about June 12th if Congress ever passes a new bill making it so.

cityslicker

01-30-09, 02:35 PM

So I've been reading everyone talking about antennas and what they have or what they want to switch to. This got me thinking about my antenna at my apt in Anderson. I have a unique work schedule and chose to live in Anderson part time to save on commuting times and gas while still maintaining a residence in Greenville for the long breaks off work. For this reason I decided not to pay for cable at 2 locations and instead setup an antenna in the Apt to get the locals in HD. I have a first floor unit which faces Northeast and am located within city limits, this kind of limits me setting up a CM4228 or anything of that sort so I started out simple, very simple......

http://inlinethumb51.webshots.com/28530/2804506370065153435S600x600Q85.jpg

I receive 4,7,13,21,40, & 62 - Tuned in using my TivoHD all with a signal strength of 75-80 according to the Tivo meter. So, this just goes to show you don't always have to invest big $$ in an antenna.

Now, anyone else care to show their setup?

popweaverhdtv

01-30-09, 06:09 PM

douglasd5, kudos to you and WYFF for explaining why the station will have reduced coverage after the DTV Transition and referencing the commercial that's been airing recently. I'm very impressed that it was shown within the first 5-10 minutes of the 6 p.m. newscast. Now, bring us the local news in HD! ;) Thanks!

popweaverhdtv

01-30-09, 07:53 PM

dubber

01-31-09, 08:11 PM

I was watching "Inside Edition" and it appears that WYFF has aired their first HD promo that isn't for their newscast. The first notice of this particular occurrence was a commercial for Breakaway Honda and it aired at around 7:50 p.m. tonight. Anyone else notice other such commercials (WYFF or otherwise) before tonight?

Updated on 1/31/2009 at 4:04 p.m.: I just watched a DVR of Sunday Night's "The Last Templar" and saw this commercial air, as well. (me=been living under a rock since the beginning of the year)

Re: WYFF 4.1 DT

I noticed the spots in HD format as well. Specifically the Breakaway Honda spot.

My guess is that the engineers are testing the HD equipment and cams that will be used for the coming HD newscasts, most likely "debugging" and test runs. Maybe Doug can fill us in on this.

Doug if you are out there can you mention anything about the type/brand of equipment that you will be using for local origin HD casts? Since your station is part of the Hearst/Argyle group, it would be logical and very cost effective if WYFF was to adopt the same equipment that other H/A stations will be using. Have any H/A stations gone to HD for local news yet?

I too saw the news package about the temporary reduced coverage for the northern edge of the antenna footprint. It was about two or three minutes with a neat shot of the antenna tower and you could even see the TWO antennas mounted currently, the analog at the top and the digi at the side!!!!!!!!!Also saw Doug eleborating on the subject via headshot during the news package!!!! LOVE this techie stuff that has been airing on News 4 , Doug. If possible I hope you can convince the news department to do a few more packages on the new local origin HD equipment and such!!!!!!

Re: WLOS 56.1 and 56.2 DT

Glad to hear that others are seeing the same issues with their transmitter and antenna.

In the past they had the exact same problem and up until there were some severe storms here the problem had apparantly be corrected, now in the aftermath of the windy and rainly weather in early Jan 09 the same issues appear to returned.

My guess is antenna and or transmitter issues, the most likely would be that there is a mismatch between the antenna and transmitter which might result in a high SWR that would give off the strange cyclical signal strength perhaps???? Water trapped in cabling or also poor grounding maybe ?

RE: WHNS 21.1 DT

Have any other Meridith group stations started local newscasts in HD yet?

popweaverhdtv

02-01-09, 12:26 PM

Re: WYFF 4.1 DT
Have any H/A stations gone to HD for local news yet?

I believe KMBC, WBAL, WCVB, KCRA and maybe WISN(?) have begun airing their local news in HD (probably others, as well). Also, If I noticed correctly during last week's newscasts, WYFF had shifted some of their live studio shots over from the right side of the main news desk over to in front of the widescreens in the Live Super Doppler 4 HD Weather Center (Tim Waller did one over there, I believe). It's got to be only a matter or time before WYFF takes the plunge, as well.

RE: WHNS 21.1 DT

Have any other Meridith group stations started local newscasts in HD yet?

I believe WGCL and KCTV are now broadcasting their local news in HD. There might be others that have jumped into those waters, as well.

arwalke

02-01-09, 10:54 PM

Anyone else having problems with WYFF audio at the start of the office/end of the Super Bowl? Sounded a lot like a 5.1 channel screw up.

thesquidman2

02-01-09, 11:08 PM

Yes, It happened to me. It also happened to someone else I know that lives in North Carolina in Raleigh. They said their audio and video were messed up. I guess it was NBC's feed

popweaverhdtv

02-01-09, 11:14 PM

Yep, i had to make sure that it wasn't my sound system going haywire. To be sure, I went backwards on the dvr and confirmed it had to have been the network feed.

Staying up to see if WYFF News 4 goes HD. I might be disappointed, heh?

Updated at 11:43 p.m.: Yep, I was disappointed. It didn't premiere its local news in HD. :-(

jtbell

02-02-09, 08:24 AM

According to http://www.rabbitears.info/termlist.php, it looks like so far, WHNS (FOX), WMYA (MyNetwork), and all of SCETV's stations will shut down their analog signals on 2/17, regardless of what Congress decides about delaying the final transition deadline.

Also, last night I saw WYFF's public warning about their upcoming temporary reduced DTV coverage area for the first time, just before the "11:00 pm" news which was delayed by the Super Bowl and The Office. Looking at the FCC coverage maps, it looks like this affects only viewers to the north and west, and not to the south and east of Casear's Head. This is presumably because of the location of the temporary antenna on the tower, and not because of any actual power difference, because the power levels are actually the same for both.

Temporary coverage map (http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-service-area?x=DS1261772.html)

Final coverage map (http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-service-area?x=DT1238768.html)

douglasd5

02-02-09, 10:53 AM

Anyone else having problems with WYFF audio at the start of the office/end of the Super Bowl? Sounded a lot like a 5.1 channel screw up.

We lost NBC center channel audio after the last local station break. Left and right were present as the interview w/ Kurt Warner during the closing network segment had dialog which was on left and right. Preliminary indications are our master control switcher failed to pass the center channel audio. Center channel audio returned after the network crosspoint was reset.

As for HD commercials, we've had a few HD commercials over the last month or two, but there were several for the Super Bowl. We've had the capability to play HD commercials since August. We're now beginning to see local advertisers create HD spots along with a few national advertisers providing HD spots to air locally in addition to the HD promos we've produced for some time now.

The situation with the required FCC announcement about "reduced coverage" is due to the fact that our initial ch 36 antenna is side-mounted at 600 feet on our 800 foot tower. Once we end analog transmission, we'll replace the analog antenna at the top of the tower with a ch 36 antenna. So the "reduced coverage" is only because of 200 feet in antenna height. We'll be at full power (1,000,000 watts). Here's the article http://www.wyff4.com/news/18604986/detail.html and the video http://www.wyff4.com/video/18607835/index.html which has some shots of our tower on Caesars Head.

And now on to the topic of HD news. There isn't anyone who wants to do it more then I do. Our owner, Hearst-Argyle Televison, has already converted six of our sister stations to HD news (WCBV Boston, WESH Orlando, KCRA Scramento, WTAE Pittsburg, and KMBC Kansas City). When Media General (WSPA) and Sinclair (WLOS) were converting their largest 4 or 5 stations, WSPA and WLOS were in the top tier. So it's taken longer for HATV to get to WYFF since we're much further down the list. And now the poor economic climate makes it that much more difficult since converting to HD news is very expensive. We're working on closing the gap but that's all I can say right now.

Doug

rrainwater

02-02-09, 12:14 PM

The situation with the required FCC announcement about "reduced coverage" is due to the fact that our initial ch 36 antenna is side-mounted at 600 feet on our 800 foot tower. Once we end analog transmission, we'll replace the analog antenna at the top of the tower with a ch 36 antenna. So the "reduced coverage" is only because of 200 feet in antenna height. We'll be at full power (1,000,000 watts). Here's the article http://www.wyff4.com/news/18604986/detail.html and the video http://www.wyff4.com/video/18607835/index.html which has some shots of our tower on Caesars Head.

Is WYFF going to still go ahead as planned with the Feb 17 transition date or will they wait until June if the delay goes through?

douglasd5

02-02-09, 12:55 PM

Is WYFF going to still go ahead as planned with the Feb 17 transition date or will they wait until June if the delay goes through?

Don't know yet. Channel 36, our permanent DTV channel, is currently the analog channel for WCNC in Charlotte so we can't do anything until they turn off their analog signal.

jerry birdwell

02-02-09, 01:54 PM

For about a year WUNF has been somewhat unstable for me, although WLOS has been very reliable since its power increase. Initially WUNF's 33.x was very reliable. Both are on the same tower. I believe Estabrook expressed concern that the change was due to co-channel inteference. Anyone know where the 33.x co-channel is located? Will it change with the big switch?
I still don't know if I will continue to receive WLOS with its DT-13, and it does not appear there will be another test to permit re-aligning antennas and rf distribution. The way analog 13 bounced around these mountains, I am not expecting much. Any thoughts?

jtbell

02-02-09, 03:23 PM

onslowtn

02-02-09, 04:13 PM

WKPT in Kingsport,TN has a low power station and they intend to continue using Ch. 25 unless UNC-TV complains to the FCC. WUNF's coverage area actually reaches Kingsport and there is a definite overlap in coverage areas.

douglasd5

02-02-09, 04:15 PM

In case anyone is interested in seeing what a digital UHF transmitter and antenna look like.... http://wyff4.com/news/18549792/detail.html

click the picture of the antenna to see the slide show

jerry birdwell

02-02-09, 04:22 PM

WUNF's digital signal shares channel 25 with WOLO's analog signal out of Columbia. It usually makes WUNF unwatchable for me in practice, but would it have an effect all the way up there in NC?

Oh wait... I just searched the FCC database for all channel 25 entries in NC and came up with WJJV-LP in Asheville. An entry dated 1999 lists it as licensed on channel 25 at 11.9 kW. There's also an application dated 2007 for channel 44 at 95.9 kW. I find it hard to believe that it could still be running on channel 25 with WUNF-DT so close by, but... can you get it on channel 44?

There's also WDMC-LP in Charlotte, which looks like it might have boosted power from 22 kW to 150 kW fairly recently. But even at 150 its service contour goes out only about as far as Gastonia.
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Thanks...it slipped my mind that WUNF will remain on UHF-25. Didn't PBS retain ch 33 for use somewhere in the state?
I have never spotted a lp-25 signal, but it could be hidden in a valley, somewhere, that I have missed. As for my 3300' location, it is possible a
Columbia signal arrives on occasions. I also get Rock Hill's 29 100% of the time and it is 98 miles away. So, unless Columbia's 25 goes away, I suppose WUNF will remain a problem for me.

jtbell

02-02-09, 04:39 PM

At least analog 25 out of Columbia will definitely go away. The only question right now is when, thanks to the Congressional antics in Washington.

popweaverhdtv

02-02-09, 08:24 PM

And now on to the topic of HD news. There isn't anyone who wants to do it more then I do. Our owner, Hearst-Argyle Televison, has already converted six of our sister stations to HD news (WCBV Boston, WESH Orlando, KCRA Scramento, WTAE Pittsburg, and KMBC Kansas City). When Media General (WSPA) and Sinclair (WLOS) were converting their largest 4 or 5 stations, WSPA and WLOS were in the top tier. So it's taken longer for HATV to get to WYFF since we're much further down the list. And now the poor economic climate makes it that much more difficult since converting to HD news is very expensive. We're working on closing the gap but that's all I can say right now.

Doug

Thanks for the update and for bearing with us "inquiring" minds, douglasd5. I hope the economy improves and the situation gets to where you can go HD with news.

foxeng

02-02-09, 09:33 PM

In case anyone is interested in seeing what a digital UHF transmitter and antenna look like.... http://wyff4.com/news/18549792/detail.html

click the picture of the antenna to see the slide show

Nice Larcan. Sorry to see you retire that. I just converted a 6 kW Larcan to digital and have 2 22kw's to convert after the transition on channel 8.

douglasd5

02-02-09, 11:36 PM

Nice Larcan. Sorry to see you retire that. I just converted a 6 kW Larcan to digital and have 2 22kw's to convert after the transition on channel 8.

Not much of a market these days for low band V transmitters, but it's been a good one. Low maintenance. It won't be that way with two UHF rigs.

Did you use the Zenith exciter?

jerry birdwell

02-03-09, 09:15 AM

Douglasd5--thanks for sharing your pictures with those of us on the sidelines.
jb

jtbell

02-03-09, 12:46 PM

boggaf05

02-03-09, 07:23 PM

douglasd5- Neato pictures!

douglasd5

02-03-09, 07:29 PM

Doug, I just thought of something... have you had a chance to test WYFF's new channel 36 transmitter on the air, or are there any plans for such a test? I imagine this would require some help from WCNC by shutting off their analog signal briefly.

We did get WCNC to shut down for an hour at 2am one morning back in October. We didn't promote it so no one really knew. The test went well and we received the signal fine here at the studio on a couple different antennas. There are no other plans for testing at this point. The ch 36 antenna is about 150 lower than the 59 ant but the lower frequency should help some folks. We'll move to the top of the tower on 36 as soon after the transition as possible. We'll be at full power (1 megawatt) regardless.

foxeng

02-03-09, 07:30 PM

Did you use the Zenith exciter?

Yes. Our UHF rig is a two tube Landmark. When all is said and done, I will have 4 Zenith's on channel 8!

Here is the 6kw I just converted to a 1 kW DTT1MH with a Thales 500 watt channel 35 Affinity to the left:

http://www.w4cl.net/fox/P1260001.jpg

Here is my current TTP44MH that will be split into two DTT4MH's post transition:

http://www.w4cl.net/fox/CH8ANALOGTX.jpg

And here is my channel 35 Landmark:

http://www.w4cl.net/fox/CH35DIGITALTX.jpg

jtbell

02-03-09, 11:05 PM

The ch 36 antenna is about 150 lower than the 59 ant but the lower frequency should help some folks.

I'm not expecting any problems here. According to the FCC maps your ch 36 contour goes all the way out to Newberry, 20+ miles beyond me, for both antenna heights.

Oxb

02-04-09, 02:07 PM

BTW, has WMYA been showing the Raycom ACC basketball games in HD? Living in WNC I would not know. :mad:

cityslicker

02-04-09, 05:39 PM

Sad to hear the DTV switch was delayed. To our NBC & FOX engineers, what does this change for you and us?

tony123

02-04-09, 06:23 PM

I've read back through several pages and can't get a handle on the future of WLOS.

Would someone mind summerizing what we can expect in the next few months out of WLOS? I'm having terrible luck with it lately. It used to be a 50/50 station for me....now it's about 90/10 that I won't catch it. What's changing with the switch, whenever that happens.......

Thanks,
Tony

jtbell

02-04-09, 07:07 PM

WLOS is going to move their digital signal to channel 13 when they shut down their analog signal... whenever that happens, now that Congress has extended the DTV transition deadline to June 12.

I don't know what the deal is with recent reception problems. I actually haven't been watching WLOS for extended periods lately, but every time I've checked it while channel-surfing, it's seemed OK to me, at least as far as overall signal strength is concerned.

Travelers Rest is close enough to the edge of the mountains that you may be having problems with the mountains blocking your line of sight.

rrainwater

02-04-09, 07:27 PM

I don't know what the deal is with recent reception problems. I actually haven't been watching WLOS for extended periods lately, but every time I've checked it while channel-surfing, it's seemed OK to me, at least as far as overall signal strength is concerned.

I haven't had reception problems either. But one issue I noticed last night during Scrubs is that it had a lot of flashing pixels. At first I thought it might be my plasma, so I checked on my lcd tv and it had the same issue. I went back and watched last week's episode and it had the same issue. I'm not sure if this is a general problem with ABC content or just that show (I don't watch/record much else on that channel).

tony123

02-04-09, 07:37 PM

So when they move to 13 might that be of any help to me?

I agree that I may be close enough to the mountains to block my line of sight. I'm near 290 and 25. Probably less than 12 miles from the mountains as the crow flies.

thesquidman2

02-04-09, 08:15 PM

Is everyone else having a problem with Fox Carolina in HD? I am watching American Idol, but it is not being broadcast in HD. The fox carolina logo is in the bottom right corner. Is it the fox feed?

popweaverhdtv

02-04-09, 08:23 PM

Is everyone else having a problem with Fox Carolina in HD? I am watching American Idol, but it is not being broadcast in HD. The fox carolina logo is in the bottom right corner. Is it the fox feed?

Yep, they came back from a local commercial showing the FOX Logo Board (which was in HD). However, the show itself is not HD with the FC Logo appearing. I bet that it's an issue at the network level as the FOX Logo Board wouldnt have appeared if the network itself wasn't HD.

thesquidman2

02-04-09, 08:32 PM

It just came back!!!

nc microwave

02-04-09, 11:42 PM

popweaverhdtv

02-05-09, 08:44 AM

According to their 8:30 a.m. portion of "The Morning News", FOX Carolina has announced that they will proceed with transitioning to Digital on Feb. 17th. Also, according to a posting in Facebook, WSPA will announce their plans for transitioning to digital once President Obama has signed the bill to postpone the nationwide DTV Transition to occur on June 12th. If anyone hears about our other stations following suit (douglasd5, if you hear, as well), please feel free to post here.

stoner99

02-05-09, 10:27 AM

five

02-05-09, 11:50 AM

When I called and asked them that question they said they wouldn't be sending it in the clear and that I misunderstood the flyers they sent out. I then read it back to them and they were like uuuuhh.

Has anyone else with charter been having huge problems recently? My internet has died the last 3 days and my HD channels are going out as well. Only seems to happen at night. I don't know if it is weather related or related to the new DVR, but I've about had enough. As soon as I get some free time, I plan to really pursue an alternative to this charter mess.

eacalhoun

02-05-09, 03:44 PM

DIGITAL DELAY.
We are before a huge setback to the American Progress and the American energy saving programs.
The manipulation of the digital delay is a hard punch to the American people who are waiting for the new technology for many years. After this delay another delay will appear and after that one another one and so on.
Shame on many legislators. Shame on FCC.

You have to remember, we cannot think for ourselves nor do we know what's best for us. That's why the government is here -- to hold our hand, to wipe our butts, to walk with us every step of the way. They're here to help us. :rolleyes:

popweaverhdtv

02-05-09, 05:50 PM

With charter not charging for regular hd basic expanded cables when will we be able to get them thru the qam tuner? Right know I just get the local plus the weather channel, you would think since they are sending the weather channel they would send the rest also? Charterjosh do you have any info on this?

We don't even get TWC HD via Charter's QAM in Buncombe County. NC.

Don F.

02-05-09, 09:20 PM

Yes. Our UHF rig is a two tube Landmark. When all is said and done, I will have 4 Zenith's on channel 8!

Here is the 6kw I just converted to a 1 kW DTT1MH with a Thales 500 watt channel 35 Affinity to the left:

http://www.w4cl.net/fox/P1260001.jpg

Here is my current TTP44MH that will be split into two DTT4MH's post transition:

http://www.w4cl.net/fox/CH8ANALOGTX.jpg

And here is my channel 35 Landmark:

http://www.w4cl.net/fox/CH35DIGITALTX.jpg

Way back in another life time I had a "Frist Class Ticket" and our little 1kw
a m transmitter had tubes the size on my coffee maker. Are those gone with the times? I'm sure they are... but... just for ole times sake, I recently purchased a tube pre-amp for my music system. I am not sure if it sounds better than the solid state, but I love the glow....

charterjosh

02-05-09, 10:35 PM

With charter not charging for regular hd basic expanded cables when will we be able to get them thru the qam tuner? Right know I just get the local plus the weather channel, you would think since they are sending the weather channel they would send the rest also? Charterjosh do you have any info on this?
Not sure what I can and can't say anymore with the new online communication policy they recently rolled out, but I've never had any information about what's available in QAM and I'm not sure who does.

popweaverhdtv

02-06-09, 05:04 AM

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/4479012/

The State of NC will handle cable complaints for municipalities/areas that have multiple competitors (i.e. AT&T and TWC).

foxeng

02-06-09, 07:59 AM

Way back in another life time I had a "Frist Class Ticket" and our little 1kw
a m transmitter had tubes the size on my coffee maker. Are those gone with the times? I'm sure they are... but... just for ole times sake, I recently purchased a tube pre-amp for my music system. I am not sure if it sounds better than the solid state, but I love the glow....

Tubes for most everything except ultra high power or high power UHF are gone. You can buy a UHF solid state TV transmitter up to 15 kW for a reasonable price at 25 or 50 kW levels, the price point is almost there. In FM and VHF TV, up to 100 kw TPO solid state is reasonably priced.

The 60 kw VHF solid state we bought in 2005 cost the same as the 50 kw tube rig we bought in 1981.

Lots have changed in a short period of time.

mdavej

02-06-09, 04:49 PM

We lost NBC center channel audio after the last local station break. Left and right were present as the interview w/ Kurt Warner during the closing network segment had dialog which was on left and right. Preliminary indications are our master control switcher failed to pass the center channel audio. Center channel audio returned after the network crosspoint was reset.

Doug,

Are you saying the problem was on your end? I don't think it was. I've seen posts on other boards from people all over the country who've lost center channel audio on several occasions recently on many NBC broadcasts like The Office, Earl, etc. I've heard it (rather NOT heard it) myself a couple of times. Any clue as to what could be going on at the network? No complaints coming into other affiliates that you know of?

Thanks

rrainwater

02-06-09, 05:59 PM

Doug,

Are you saying the problem was on your end? I don't think it was.

I don't see any reports of the end of the super bowl and the beginning of the office losing center channel audio anywhere except wyff, so I think it was localized this time.

douglasd5

02-06-09, 06:04 PM

Doug,

Are you saying the problem was on your end? I don't think it was. I've seen posts on other boards from people all over the country who've lost center channel audio on several occasions recently on many NBC broadcasts like The Office, Earl, etc. I've heard it (rather NOT heard it) myself a couple of times. Any clue as to what could be going on at the network? No complaints coming into other affiliates that you know of?

Thanks

I believe on this occasion it was on our end. There was an NBC audio problem during the pregame coverage that was on NBC's end. And we have had a few issues (popping & clicking) with the new HD distribution equipment NBC installed at the studio, but those issues should be resolved. It's just more involved dealing with 6 channels of audio rather than 2. And there can be issues switching between stereo and 5.1.

popweaverhdtv

02-06-09, 06:15 PM

WLOS and My40 are currently "awaiting for the FCC's Decision on whether the Analog signal will continue" before making their plans known on when to fully transition from Analog to DTV. This was announced during a story by Frank Fraboni on WLOS' 6 p.m. News.

popweaverhdtv

02-06-09, 06:41 PM

A little flub occurred with the Web Poll Question Results on FOX Carolina's 6:30 p.m. News. The question was shown as "Are you ready for the Digital TV Transition. It said "12% for Yes; 88% said No". The question that should have been displayed on TV with those answers was "Do you support the stimulus bill in its current form?" OOPS!!!!

GVLSandlapper

02-06-09, 06:49 PM

AT&T delaying their rollout of their U-verse service. :(

http://www.greenvilleonline.com/article/20090206/NEWS01/302060003/1001/NEWS01

popweaverhdtv

02-06-09, 06:53 PM

AT&T delaying their rollout of their U-verse service. :(

http://www.greenvilleonline.com/article/20090206/NEWS01/302060003/1001/NEWS01

That's unfortunate news to hear. I hope this doesn't affect their plans in NC.

popweaverhdtv

02-06-09, 07:26 PM

jself1982

02-06-09, 08:00 PM

AT&T putting off the launch of UVerse saddens me a little, but the digital transition saddens me more. I am ready for the transition because of where I stay, when the wind blows digital goes out and no analog at all...so I am ready for full power digital to improve my signal quality on them windy days. I can't bring myself to paying $6 for locals from Dish Network when I get them OTA, just not on windy days. :)

cedarwood3b

02-07-09, 08:47 AM

If you are tired of Charter's lack of concern for our community to watch HD than sign up for Direct TV or Dish. I have been a Direct consumer for 7 years (1 year in there for Charter) and i enjoy about 90 networks (including ABC, NBC, Fox, and CBS) in true HD. Yes occasionally we have slight problems with signal (rain fade\pixalating-break up of signal, but never to the point of complaint to Direct. Show Charter that you will not be held hostage anymore. I also have unbundled internet. This entire package costs me ( no promotion) around $90 a month. Do the switch and don't look back.

popweaverhdtv

02-07-09, 10:31 AM

WYFF and WSPA will wait until June 12th to switch to DTV.

(Source:
http://www.wyff4.com/news/18659068/detail.html
http://www.wspa.com/spa/news/local/article/news_channel_7_will_switch_to_dtv_in_june/14360/ )

johnnyray

02-08-09, 04:34 PM

douglasd5

02-08-09, 05:00 PM

I get my basic cable package from Mediacom in Hendersonville, NC and since I hooked up my Toshiba HD TV with the analog/digital tuner, I have been able to get the local CBS, ABC, NBC and FOX affiliates in HD on channels 68-69, but last night I tried to go to the NBC HD channel (WYFF on 69.2 I think) and it was gone from the list! What happened to it? Did they move to another channel? (I could not find it on any others) or did Mediacom drop them from the basic package?

Also, while watching the standard quality analog feed, I noticed the picture would quickly zoom/enlarge when the main show came back each time from a commercial, cutting off the sides of the picture. They were cut off no matter what picture mode I put the TV in. I have noticed this with ABC and other analog channels on my older Pioneer rear projection HDTV as well. The side of the picture are cut off (like half the ABC logo showing) even in the normal or 4:3 aspect or FULL setting. I don't understand what is causing this, but does it have to do with the digital transition and will it eventually stop?

The "zooming" problem might be due to what we call AFD or Active Format Description. This is information in the HD video used to control downconverters to either letterbox or center-cut 16x9 video material for 4x3 sets For example, NBC want to letterbox certain shows because they are not "center-cut safe". They have requested cable companies use this feature in their equipment if they down convert the HD signal for the SD feed on their cable system. If this is the case, you will see switching between letter box and center cut depending on what the program supplier has determined is the best way for the 16x9 program to be displayed in 4x3 and your set won't be able to undo it. I've heard some converter boxes have this feature, but HD sets don't since they are 16x9. So it could be the cable company's down converting equipment. Speculation at this point as to what might be going on at Mediacom but a possibility.

calvinb

02-08-09, 08:08 PM

rrainwater

02-08-09, 11:36 PM

I've just noticed we're now getting FSS HD`programming. I'm on D* watching channel 646. ACC hoops in HD. Is this new? I've watched several ACC and SEC games so far this year and it's been black bars on the side. Anybody know what happened to finally get the switch flipped? And does this bode well for the SEC and ACC tournaments in HD for our region? I'm hopeful for WLOS-DT this year. Who's got the SEC tourney?

FSS HD has been showing Sunday Night ACC games for the last several years. I don't have D* so I am not sure if this is new for you however. On Charter it is about the only programming they actually have this time of the year on FSS 798.

calvinb

02-09-09, 10:35 AM

Unless I am losing my mind, I think it's new for us D* customers. I can''t claim to watch all the ACC games but I know a lot of the midweek SEC games are not in HD on FSS (D* 646).

cruxer

02-09-09, 11:50 AM

FSS HD has been on D* for a while now. Make sure you've programmed your receiver to hide SD duplicates. Your receiver should already be programmed to hit the HD channel first when you directly tune the channel. We also have SS in HD, but I'm not sure if they're full-time or part-time. I've been watching weekend basketball on these channels for a while in HD. I'm fairly sure if the network shows it in HD, D* customers get it in HD.

PS: the above only applies if you've upgraded to Mpeg4 equipment.

-c

calvinb

02-09-09, 12:50 PM

It occurs to me that I am probably mistaking SportsSouth (649) for FSN South(646). I am pretty sure I have seen very few or ZERO SEC hoops games in HD on FSN. Again, I'm a D* subscriber. Am guessing D* has not rolled out the FSN regional HD service for us (Braves games also). Anyone have any info?

cruxer

02-09-09, 01:35 PM

I have both 646 and 649 in my guide as HD. Last year, the Braves games came on another channel (Peachtree maybe? 617 maybe? As a Mets fan I was busy watching my team wilt on other channels!) and they weren't in HD last year.

In the meantime, I checked D*'s website (http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/global/contentPageNR.jsp?assetId=3420007&footernavtype=-1) and both FSN South HD and SportSouth HD are listed full-time HD (not game only).

-c

calvinb

02-09-09, 03:05 PM

Do we have to subscribe to D* Premier package to get the regional sports channels in HD? I only subscribe to the sports package (plus all the other stuff besides the movie channels). Cruxer, you have the premier package? The way that link is laid out that's what it implies. This still doesn't explain why I get FSS in HD (occasionally) and not FSN South in HD...

Still confused...

cruxer

02-09-09, 05:21 PM

Calvinb, you should get the local RSN's (which are FSN South and SS) with any package that's Choice or above, according to directv.com (http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/global/contentPageIF.jsp?assetId=3450006&footernavtype=-1).

Do you have an MPEG4 box? If so you should be able to see the full-time HD channels on 646 and 649. They aren't always showing HD programming, but anytime they are, you should get it.

-c

Oxb

02-10-09, 08:31 AM

Last night I noticed that WLOS ran a spot stating that they will be shutting down their analog transmitter on Feb 17. I guess that they heard from the FCC.

Apps1

02-10-09, 08:50 AM

I know WSPA and WYFF are going to keep analog going until the June cut off. Any word on WHNS or any of the other channels?

foxeng

02-10-09, 09:30 AM

WHNS is staying until June 12th.

eacalhoun

02-10-09, 09:40 AM

Last night I noticed that WLOS ran a spot stating that they will be shutting down their analog transmitter on Feb 17. I guess that they heard from the FCC.

Hallelujah! I'm glad WLOS has the backbone to proceed as originally planned. Can it be assumed that co-owned WMYA will also turn off analog on Feb 17?

eacalhoun

02-10-09, 09:46 AM

I know WSPA and WYFF are going to keep analog going until the June cut off. Any word on WHNS or any of the other channels?

I believe I saw an updated transition page on the Rabbitears site that WYCW will proceed with turning off analog on Feb 17. Seems kinda strange that co-owned WSPA is now waiting for the new deadline -- but then I suppose if they feel either station will lose uneducated DTV viewers, then CBS has far and above more viewers than the CW network.

Trip in VA

02-10-09, 09:50 AM

There could be someone who wants the channel 62 spectrum for whatever will replace it (public safety or wireless data services).

- Trip

jtbell

02-10-09, 01:19 PM

The following stations in this area have filed a "Notification of Termination of Analog Service" on 2/17 with the FCC:

WLOS (http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/cdbsmenu.hts?context=25&appn=101295009&formid=910&fac_num=56537) (ABC), WMYA (MyNetwork), WYCW (CW), and the three SCETV stations WNTV, WRET, WNEH.

The deadline for filing was yesterday, so unless there are stragglers that didn't make it into the FCC database this morning, that's it.

douglasd5

02-10-09, 02:59 PM

Also, while watching the standard quality analog feed, I noticed the picture would quickly zoom/enlarge when the main show came back each time from a commercial, cutting off the sides of the picture. They were cut off no matter what picture mode I put the TV in. I have noticed this with ABC and other analog channels on my older Pioneer rear projection HDTV as well. The side of the picture are cut off (like half the ABC logo showing) even in the normal or 4:3 aspect or FULL setting. I don't understand what is causing this, but does it have to do with the digital transition and will it eventually stop?

I got a call about this "zooming" phenomenon on the standard definition feed today from a WYFF viewer on another cable system (PRTC in Laurens) and he claims his daughter on Charter has the same problem. So now I'm starting to wonder what's going on. If anyone can provide some more information I would be most appreciative. Does this happen only during NBC show? I was told it happened during our newscasts. I can find a reasonable explanation for this happening during NBC shows, but not during our newscasts. Any info is appreciated since I'm really scratching my head on this one............

The AFD "feature" explains NBC since they utilize this feature but not local programming.

Doug

popweaverhdtv

02-10-09, 06:24 PM

I know WSPA and WYFF are going to keep analog going until the June cut off. Any word on WHNS or any of the other channels?

See this posting earlier on the Message Board: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=15758082#post15758082

calvinb

02-10-09, 07:52 PM

I'm watching UVA/FSU on D* ch 646 (FSSHD). HR-21 MPEG4 STB. NOT HD. Anyone getting it in HD? Charter / Dish customers?

Clemson game has black bars also. Anyone getting it in HD?

Apps1

02-11-09, 09:09 AM

rrainwater

02-11-09, 12:22 PM

I have been watching FSS-HD for several months now and I am not sure I remember seeing anything in HD (maybe some NHL or NBA). The only plus is that the SD programming looks much better than it did before.

It's because there's not much content available in HD. Select Hurricanes games, Sunday Night ACC games, and one or two other college basketball games during the week are in HD. Other than that, there isn't anything in HD this time of the year afaik.

Oxb

02-12-09, 04:58 PM

Charter to declare bankruptcy by April 1. (http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/charter-file-bankruptcy-april-1/story.aspx?guid=%7B14171E23-A3D2-4740-ADDE-024BB74F80D6%7D&dist=msr_2) It looks like they will stay intact and that Paul Allen (but not the other shareholders) will retain his ownership.

Oxb

02-12-09, 06:20 PM

popweaverhdtv

02-12-09, 07:32 PM

On the 6:00 WLOS news, they just stated that they will be leaving their analog transmitter on until June. They did say that analog WMYA will be going off next week.

Someone needs to keep their stories straight :confused:

LOL....they must have made the decision in the past few hours. I'm watching DVR'd "Bonnie Hunt" and they were airing the commercial saying they were still transitioning on June 12th and running the crawl at the bottom of the screen.

rrainwater

02-12-09, 08:22 PM

LOL....they must have made the decision in the past few hours. I'm watching DVR'd "Bonnie Hunt" and they were airing the commercial saying they were still transitioning on June 12th and running the crawl at the bottom of the screen.

I believe they planned on WMYA dropping analog on Feb 17 all along. I'm not sure why they are running that crawl unless it is the same one they run on WLOS and they just haven't realized what they are doing. Something is certainly not right if they are doing that. Maybe they have postponed WMYA as well.

jself1982

02-13-09, 12:06 AM

Charter filing bankruptcy could be a good thing for us in this area, Time Warner isn't much better, but at least they offer more HD services and a few more standard definition channels. I am hoping they can come in and buy this KMA.

cedarwood3b

02-13-09, 07:37 PM

dump the charter.......................get on board the DirectTV or Dish train.

jself1982

02-14-09, 01:57 AM

dump the charter.......................get on board the DirectTV or Dish train.

I have Dish, I despise Charter and feel bad for those still stuck with it--that don't have the option to switch. The only thing I wish I could have is WWE OnDemand, but its probably not worth it since when I did have cable, the VOD rarely worked well. I do have them for internet because there isn't much of a choice with that one.

WYFF reported tonight that Charter has no intention on selling any assets or systems, made me sad...I really want the Greenville Spartanburg area bought out by TWC. They also said on WYFF that the bankruptcy would clear the way for them to add more services and channels...if you wait a couple of years!

popweaverhdtv

02-14-09, 07:56 AM

dump the charter.......................get on board the DirectTV or Dish train.

Here we go again! :eek::rolleyes:

popweaverhdtv

02-14-09, 07:58 AM

I believe they planned on WMYA dropping analog on Feb 17 all along. I'm not sure why they are running that crawl unless it is the same one they run on WLOS and they just haven't realized what they are doing. Something is certainly not right if they are doing that. Maybe they have postponed WMYA as well.

It looks like WMYA is proceeding to go DTV on Feb. 17th and WLOS will remain analog until June 12th (per report on their Morning News Yesterday).

Oxb

02-14-09, 09:54 AM

The 2/14 Citizen Slime has on article on the delay of the digital switchover (http://www.citizen-times.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2009902140318)

it included this reason for WLOS not cutting off their analog transmitter:

Channel 13 had been running announcements indicating its intention to end analog broadcasting starting Tuesday.

Then the FCC told Channel 13 that if it cut off its main analog signal Tuesday, it also would have to turn off its analog translator system, general manager Jack Connors said Friday. The translators beam the station's signal into many nooks and crannies of the WNC mountains, and their loss may have left some viewers without a signal.

So the station decided to delay and will now make the digital switch in June. Channel 13's sister station, WMYA/Channel 40, will turn off its analog equipment Tuesday.

Trip in VA

02-14-09, 10:04 AM

I have to wonder just how WLOS's translator system works that they'd have to shut it off. I'm guessing they receive the OTA signal and then repeat it, so how expensive would the equipment be to receive the SD sub and broadcast that on analog? How about to convert the analog translators to digital? Does anyone know?

- Trip

ClemsonKev

02-14-09, 11:43 AM

I have a couple of devices that use Gemstar/Macrovision's TV GUIDE LISTING SERVICE. The data currently comes in OTA via analog ch. 33. This channel plans to cut off on Feb. 17th despite the digital transition delay.

CAN SOMEONE FROM CHARTER TELL ME WHAT CHANNEL YOU CARRY THE TVGOS DATA ON IN ANDERSON?

-or- If anyone else uses TVGOS in this area, please tell me what HOST CHANNEL your machine is using. To find out, highlight SETUP on your TVGOS menu top bar, then hit <DOWN> and then 753159852. A data screen will pop up, scroll right/left or down/up until you find the screen with the HOST info.

thanks!
Kevin

popweaverhdtv

02-14-09, 01:06 PM

I was watching DVR'd "Ellen" from yesterday and at 3:38 p.m., WYFF's HD went to what appeared to be WYCW's HD signal for about 5-10 seconds. The only way I knew this was that the crawl at the top of the screen was mentioning WYCW ceasing its analog signal on Feb. 17th. Could this "accident" mean that Charter's preparing to make WYCW's HD Signal available to customers when WYCW goes digital-only on Tuesday?

jtbell

02-14-09, 01:22 PM

I have a couple of devices that use Gemstar/Macrovision's TV GUIDE LISTING SERVICE. The data currently comes in OTA via analog ch. 33. This channel plans to cut off on Feb. 17th despite the digital transition delay.

UNC-TV's DTV page (http://www.unctv.org/unctvdtv/index.html) doesn't say anything about them shutting down analog on 2/17, nor have I seen any of them on the lists that have been released, of stations that are shutting down on 2/17.

You may be confusing them with SCETV (in this area, channels 29, 38 and 49) which is going to shut down analog on 2/17 (Tuesday night).

I have TVGOS devices, too (a a couple of Sony HD DVRs and a Panasonic DVD recorder). They currentlly use channel 29 for their host channel, but occasionally one has switched to channel 33, with the same listings. So I expect mine will switch over to channel 33 after Tuesday, or maybe I'll just re-initialize them all on Tuesday evening.

After June 12, who knows? At least I can get the CBS station in Columbia, and I'm pretty sure its digital signal has TVGOS.

popweaverhdtv

02-14-09, 01:27 PM

ClemsonKev

02-14-09, 02:53 PM

UNC-TV's DTV page (http://www.unctv.org/unctvdtv/index.html) doesn't say anything about them shutting down analog on 2/17, nor have I seen any of them on the lists that have been released, of stations that are shutting down on 2/17.

You may be confusing them with SCETV (in this area, channels 29, 38 and 49) which is going to shut down analog on 2/17 (Tuesday night).

I have TVGOS devices, too (a a couple of Sony HD DVRs and a Panasonic DVD recorder). They currentlly use channel 29 for their host channel, but occasionally one has switched to channel 33, with the same listings. So I expect mine will switch over to channel 33 after Tuesday, or maybe I'll just re-initialize them all on Tuesday evening.

After June 12, who knows? At least I can get the CBS station in Columbia, and I'm pretty sure its digital signal has TVGOS.

thanks jtbell.....
two questions:
What do you do to "re-initialize them all on Tuesday evening"?
-and-
How can you determine if a digital (OTA or cable) is carrying TVGOS?

rrainwater

02-14-09, 03:44 PM

thanks jtbell.....
two questions:
What do you do to "re-initialize them all on Tuesday evening"?
-and-
How can you determine if a digital (OTA or cable) is carrying TVGOS?

I think digital tvgos is going to be on CBS channels. The last I heard, WSPA wasn't sending this information yet. Also, whether your device will work with digital TVGOS is a different story.

http://www.rabbitears.info/market.php?request=tvgos

ClemsonKev

02-14-09, 05:31 PM

I think digital tvgos is going to be on CBS channels. The last I heard, WSPA wasn't sending this information yet. Also, whether your device will work with digital TVGOS is a different story.

http://www.rabbitears.info/market.php?request=tvgos

Yea, I saw this chart, and right now it has an X by CBS in Greenville.

And I don't know if my devices will accept digital TVGOS. I have the Sony HD DVR and 2 LG tv's with TVGOS...... anyone know if these are ready for digital TVGOS?

jtbell

02-14-09, 09:23 PM

The Sony HD DVR accepts digital TVGOS. Some people in other cities (Minneapolis, Houston, etc.) are using it on their Sonys now.

To reset TVGOS on the Sony, you use a "hidden" menu:

1. On the remote, press MENU, then SCREEN MODE, then enter 9012. This replaces the normal menu with a sort of service menu.

2. At the bottom of the new menu, select "TV Guide." This gives you a submenu.

3. Select "Reset to Factory Default." If I remember correctly this causes you to exit from the menus while leaving the unit on. It does not affect recordings on the hard disk, nor any of the Sony's non-TVGOS settings.

Beware: Do not confuse "Reset to Factory Default" in the "TV Guide" submenu, with "Restore Factory Default" in the preceding menu (the one you get after entering 9012). That one completely re-initializes the Sony, and erases the hard disk!

4. Turn off the unit, then turn it on again. You should now see the TVGOS setup screens where you tell it whether you're using antenna or cable, enter your ZIP code, etc.

5. Turn off the unit overnight so TVGOS can find the host channel and download the first batch of program listings.

To test whether a digital channel contains TVGOS data, first tune to the channel you want to test. Repeat the first two steps above to get to the "TV Guide" submenu, then:

3a. Select "G* Factory Test". This starts some tests and displays the running results. If the packet counts in the left column increase steadily and you get (after a half minute or so) the message "VBI Test: Passed" at the upper left, then that channel is supposed to contain digital TVGOS data. I just tried WSPA without any luck.

ClemsonKev

02-15-09, 09:46 AM

I did it last night, went thru TVGOS setup and left off.
However, this morning no guide data.
But, I also see that my LG TV in the bedroom also didn't get data last night (and it's host channel of OTA 33 isn't listed). But it has been working fine for months. I just think service is spotty right now!
Will try again tonight.

I also want to reset my TVGOS on my other LG TV that hasn't been collecting data like the Sony DVR.... any idea how to reset the LG's like the Sony DVR??

Kevin

rrainwater

02-15-09, 11:15 AM

Once analog is shut off there will be no one to provide the data any more in this market. I would try contacting WSPA and see what they say.

ClemsonKev

02-15-09, 01:54 PM

Once analog is shut off there will be no one to provide the data any more in this market. I would try contacting WSPA and see what they say.

According to this:
http://digitaltransition.macrovision.com/

Charter Cable IS going to carry TVGOS.
I have basic Charter cable and use QAM on my TVs.

I would like to know WHICH Charter channel carries (or will carry) the data so I can "force my TVGOS host channel"..... any ideas?

popweaverhdtv

02-15-09, 01:56 PM

According to this:
http://digitaltransition.macrovision.com/

Charter Cable IS going to carry TVGOS.
I have basic Charter cable and use QAM on my TVs.

I would like to know WHICH Charter channel carries (or will carry) the data so I can "force my TVGOS host channel"..... any ideas?

Yikes! That excludes OTA users from getting the TVGOS data if they aren't Charter Subscribers, doesn't it? Ouch!

rrainwater

02-15-09, 03:26 PM

According to this:
http://digitaltransition.macrovision.com/

Charter Cable IS going to carry TVGOS.
I have basic Charter cable and use QAM on my TVs.

I would like to know WHICH Charter channel carries (or will carry) the data so I can "force my TVGOS host channel"..... any ideas?

WSPA is "suppose" to be the one to carry it. However, they aren't carrying it yet. I would imagine Charter is just going to pass the data as WSPA sends it which is why it lists Charter.

ClemsonKev

02-15-09, 04:15 PM

WSPA is "suppose" to be the one to carry it. However, they aren't carrying it yet. I would imagine Charter is just going to pass the data as WSPA sends it which is why it lists Charter.

Yea, I hope WSPA carries it via Charter... CBS stations are supposed to start carrying the data, but have you heard an official announcement from WSPA?

My TVGOS has been giving me fits the last couple of weeks. I hope this is only b/c of the Feb.17th date approaching and that the data finds it's way onto Charter soon so my data loads consistently.

Otherwise, I will see if I can get QAM on this PC (with Windows Media Ctr and a Hauppauge card) and then watch it via the living room xbox MCE extender. Anyone have experience with this setup? QAM HD recordings thru extender with full surround sound?

I do like the new Moxi box on Amazon, but $800?!?!

Trip in VA

02-15-09, 04:43 PM

Not all TVGOS affiliates are CBS affiliates, just that they get first shot at it. You'll have to ask WSPA whether or not they're carrying it.

- Trip

ClemsonKev

02-15-09, 06:30 PM

Well, I would just assume wait and test it after the transistion instead of going thru numerous people at WSPA before someone knows what the hell I'm talking about.

ANY WSPA FOLKS ON THIS FORUM? OR MAYBE A CHARTER REP CAN SHED LIGHT ON TVGOS PLANS FOR THIS MKT?

ClemsonKev

02-15-09, 07:06 PM

oh, and everyone can relax now:

http://connect.charter.com/cas/portal/content/Newsletters/2009/february/articles/Stronger.aspx

popweaverhdtv

02-16-09, 09:09 AM

oh, and everyone can relax now:

http://connect.charter.com/cas/portal/content/Newsletters/2009/february/articles/Stronger.aspx

LOL...a few of my friends sent me this one and I couldn't contain the laughter. You're stronger than ever, but you're going bankrupt. 2+2=5? :eek: To bring my comment back to the scope of the forum, I hope this doesn't further slow the HD Crawl. Yes, I know, go D* or E*. Sorry, I can't!

ClemsonKev

02-16-09, 09:14 AM

well, lucky me: All 3 of my TVGOS devices found a host channel mid-afternoon yesterday it seems (OTA 29) on their own.

Guide data loaded overnight.

Happy now; hopefully happy post-digital transition with these LG's and Sony.

jtbell

02-16-09, 11:00 AM

well, lucky me: All 3 of my TVGOS devices found a host channel mid-afternoon yesterday it seems (OTA 29) on their own.

That will keep them going until tomorrow night, anyway. :rolleyes:

I think these units (at least the Sony DVRs) scan sequentially through the channels when looking for a host channel, and stop at the first channel that has usable data. That would explain why they picked up 29 instead of 33, but I don't know why your units were using 33 before.

Mine have normally used 29, but occasionally they've switched to 33 or even 38 when 29 went down or I had the antenna aimed in the wrong direction.

ClemsonKev

02-16-09, 11:29 AM

That will keep them going until tomorrow night, anyway. :rolleyes:

Maybe whenever these do stop receiving the data for good, the new Moxi box on Amazon will have tons of good reviews and the price will have dropped below $500.....:D

http://www.amazon.com/Moxi-MR-1500T3-Digital-Video-Recorder/dp/B001GQ8MT8/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1234801746&sr=8-1

rrainwater

02-16-09, 11:40 AM

Maybe whenever these do stop receiving the data for good, the new Moxi box on Amazon will have tons of good reviews and the price will have dropped below $500.....:D

http://www.amazon.com/Moxi-MR-1500T3-Digital-Video-Recorder/dp/B001GQ8MT8/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1234801746&sr=8-1

So far, that box has got terrible reviews and the price is ridiculous. Just get a TiVo HD with lifetime service and save $200 today. At least the TiVo will work with analog cable unlike the Moxi box.

rrainwater

02-16-09, 11:48 AM

To bring my comment back to the scope of the forum, I hope this doesn't further slow the HD Crawl.

You mean the HD adoption with Charter could go slower than it is currently? :)

ClemsonKev

02-16-09, 12:04 PM

So far, that box has got terrible reviews and the price is ridiculous. Just get a TiVo HD with lifetime service and save $200 today. At least the TiVo will work with analog cable unlike the Moxi box.

LOL, so the Moxi box will NOT pick up analog cable?!
The reason I never picked up the Tivo HD is b/c it can't re-map my QAM channels!
CRUEL WORLD!

I do love this Sony HD DVR box I have been using for about 4 years now! It gets OTA HD, analog cable and even re-maps my QAM HD! 500gb HDD and the ability to 'tag' up to 20 spots on recordings is awesome (like when you want to save a game and save the spots where there are big plays, or an HD concert and tag the start of certain songs, etc. to find them in an second).

Cons remain: TVGOS can be a headache every few months; might have bigger TVGOS headaches at the digital transition; does freeze about 3-5x per year; menus are a tad slow; flipping from digital to analog tuner while surfing takes TOO LONG; no "previous channel" button on remote; and no dual recording.

Still, I see nothing on the market that can top this (unless you want to pay a premium for sat or digital cable).;)

MAYBE, Tivo and Moxi don't want to piss off the cable operators any more?
i.e. Tivo don't allow QAM mapping b/c cable companies want people to UPGRADE to digital cable.
-and- Moxi doesn't do analog b/c cable companies want people to UPGRADE to digital cable.

AND MAYBE this is the reason Sony discontinued this box years ago (pressure from cable companies)!?!?
hmmmmm.....

rrainwater

02-16-09, 02:29 PM

LOL, so the Moxi box will NOT pick up analog cable?!
The reason I never picked up the Tivo HD is b/c it can't re-map my QAM channels!
CRUEL WORLD!

I do love this Sony HD DVR box I have been using for about 4 years now! It gets OTA HD, analog cable and even re-maps my QAM HD! 500gb HDD and the ability to 'tag' up to 20 spots on recordings is awesome (like when you want to save a game and save the spots where there are big plays, or an HD concert and tag the start of certain songs, etc. to find them in an second).

Cons remain: TVGOS can be a headache every few months; might have bigger TVGOS headaches at the digital transition; does freeze about 3-5x per year; menus are a tad slow; flipping from digital to analog tuner while surfing takes TOO LONG; no "previous channel" button on remote; and no dual recording.

Still, I see nothing on the market that can top this (unless you want to pay a premium for sat or digital cable).;)

MAYBE, Tivo and Moxi don't want to piss off the cable operators any more?
i.e. Tivo don't allow QAM mapping b/c cable companies want people to UPGRADE to digital cable.
-and- Moxi doesn't do analog b/c cable companies want people to UPGRADE to digital cable.

AND MAYBE this is the reason Sony discontinued this box years ago (pressure from cable companies)!?!?
hmmmmm.....

You have to get some type of Moxi dongle to get analog cable but I'm not sure if this dongle even exists yet.

Sure, you can't do qam mapping on a TiVo HD. But for just about $6 a month extra, you can get a cablecard. Charter does not make you subscribe to digital cable to get cablecards. I only subscribe to the hd tier and the sports tier (which isn't required). I don't get the "digital package" although I do get the digital analogs (the digitals <100) and all of the non premium hd channels. Plus, the TiVo handles cable and OTA seamlessly at the same time.

The Sony box is nice, but for my money, I'll take the TiVo with less headaches. The only real issue is getting a competent cablecard installer. I would request a Charter employee only as they seem to have the best access to dispatch who is the one who really needs to know how to setup the cards.

popweaverhdtv

02-16-09, 04:54 PM

You mean the HD adoption with Charter could go slower than it is currently? :)

Even slower than molasses! ;)

BTW, WYCW will go all-digital at 12 a.m. Tuesday Night/Wednesday Morning (according to NC7 on CW this morning and clarified on Tonight's NC7 at 7 p.m.).

sbennett

02-16-09, 06:09 PM

SCETV DTV Update

I should have posted this information sooner, but I have not been on the forums lately. I apologize for waiting until the last moment for disseminating this news.

As most of you are aware, SCETV has chosen to shut down our eleven analog transmitters around the state on the original DTV transition date of February 17th ~ 11:59:59PM. At the same time, we will also change our service lineup in our transport stream for our DTV signal. This will more than likely require a channel rescan. Our new lineup will be the following:

Program 1: ETV – HD, Main Programming
Program 2: SCC – SD ,South Carolina Channel
Program 3: ETVW – SD, ETV World

Originally, we were going to drop one of our SD services during this transition, but that decision has been changed.

Also, with our analog signal going away, we will no longer support Gemstar/Macrovision TVGOS. There is some limited information that can be found here: http://www.macrovision.com/dtv/10053.htm?link_id=rightPromo

Again, I am sorry for getting this information out at such a late date. If you are experiencing any issues with receiving our signal, contact information can be found at http://www.scetv.org/television/dtv/. We have an 888 number set up, and you are welcome to send me a message.

Since I am posting this in multiple forums for our stations around the state, I wanted to remind WITV viewers that we will be changing from RF channel UHF 49 to channel VHF 7.

Thanks for you patience.

-Shaun

rrainwater

02-16-09, 06:33 PM

Our new lineup will be the following:

Program 1: ETV – HD, Main Programming
Program 2: SCC – SD ,South Carolina Channel
Program 3: ETVW – SD, ETV World

I hope Tribune will get these changes. My guess is it might be a problem for a while considering how many changes they are going to be making.

cedarwood3b

02-16-09, 06:52 PM

LOL...a few of my friends sent me this one and I couldn't contain the laughter. You're stronger than ever, but you're going bankrupt. 2+2=5? :eek: To bring my comment back to the scope of the forum, I hope this doesn't further slow the HD Crawl. Yes, I know, go D* or E*. Sorry, I can't!

You know I just cannot resist. :rolleyes::D

jtbell

02-16-09, 07:08 PM

Thanks for the update, Shaun! I've been checking scetv.org in vain for information about this.

That site has changed its program guide in a way that makes it much less useful to me. There is apparently no longer an option to display a whole week's programming (for one subchannel) in a grid format. That option made it easy to scan for interesting programs during the next couple of weeks. Now it displays only the next few hours, with only an option to scroll forwards or backwards.

There's now a setting to choose your "provider." I haven't tried any of the cable or satellite options, but the selection of channels shown for "over the air lineup" is, um, idiosyncratic. Right now it shows:

ETV 7
SC CHANNEL 7.1 (subchannel 1? :confused:)
WRLK 35
ETV-HD 35.2 (subchannel 2? :confused:)

And for "Broadcast TV - Grnvll-Spart-Ashvll" it shows

SC CHANNEL 29
ETV 29
ETV 38
ETV 38 (yes, a duplicate)
SC CHANNEL 38

Hopefully this will get straightened out after the new subchannel lineup goes on the air tomorrow night.

sbennett

02-16-09, 07:08 PM

I hope Tribune will get these changes. My guess is it might be a problem for a while considering how many changes they are going to be making.

Besides my late posting here, we have been trying very hard to work with the 300+ cable operators around the state as well as the other entities (satellite, guide data, ect).

It probably will not be pretty, but what I like about this forum is how quick information gets out to the users. If you notice anything strange after we make our change, please let me know so I can correct what ever I have missed on my checklist. Changing PID information in the transport stream is likely to upset several receivers and tuners, but hopefully this will be a one time thing. Kind of like pulling the band aid off at once instead slowly changing things.

-Shaun

popweaverhdtv

02-16-09, 07:12 PM

It appears that NC7 at 7 p.m. clarified that WYCW will go all-digital Tuesday Night/Wednesday Morning at 12 a.m., not like was said on NC7 Daybreak on CW This Morning which did say Tonight at 12 a.m. Hopefully, no one will be staying up tonight expecting to see WYCW or WMYA's DTV Transition occur.

(Source: http://www.wspa.com/spa/news/consumer/article/some_stations_make_dtv_switch_tuesday_night/14694/ )

sbennett

02-16-09, 07:26 PM

ClemsonKev

02-16-09, 09:57 PM

SCETV DTV Update

Also, with our analog signal going away, we will no longer support Gemstar/Macrovision TVGOS.

-Shaun

Uh oh, does that mean those of us in the Upstate who get the TVGOS data from OTA 29 or 33 will be SOL later this week?

Shaun, do you have any idea if or when Charter will carry the TVGOS feed?

jtbell

02-16-09, 10:21 PM

33 is not an SCETV station. It's run by our neighbors up North. :)

The UNC-TV system will continue its analog broadcasts until June 12, on channel 33 out of Asheville and all their other stations around NC.

Adam Tyner

02-16-09, 10:47 PM

You're stronger than ever, but you're going bankrupt. 2+2=5? :eek:To be fair, they'd be doing alright if they weren't sitting on $20 billion-plus in debt. Of course, they wouldn't be doing alright if they hadn't gotten $20 billion-plus in debt, so it's kind of a catch-22. :)

sbennett

02-17-09, 06:52 AM

Thanks for the update, Shaun! I've been checking scetv.org in vain for information about this.

That site has changed its program guide in a way that makes it much less useful to me.

I took a look at our web site and I now understand what you mean. I have forwarded the issue up, and hopefully we can get it fixed soon.

-Shaun

UPDATE WITH OUR WEB TV SCHEDULE:

------

Hi Shaun, this should auto correct itself tomorrow once we make the switch. The schedules on our website are a PBS Module and the channels are something they label based on information they receive from TV Guide.

The full week feature is now missing as this user noted and we know that has frustrated some folks, but unfortunately PBS took that out of the new module - I'm still hoping they'll add it back.

------

-Shaun

ClemsonKev

02-17-09, 09:26 AM

You have to get some type of Moxi dongle to get analog cable but I'm not sure if this dongle even exists yet.

Well, looks like this box will do everything except OTA HD like my Sony box, but it really costs $825!! From Moxi:

"Dear Kevin,

Thanks for your interest in the Moxi product.

The Analog Dongle is immediately available and we only charge for the
shipping and handling($24.95). Having said that, just a couple of
things to keep in mind.

The Moxi HD DVR is optimized for use with a digital cable subscription
plus the rental of a multi-stream CableCard (M-Card). While the Moxi HD
DVR could be used in the configuration you have described, we would just
want to make sure you where aware that only 1 analog channel may be
recorded at a time, as opposed to 2 digital channels. Again, this may
not be an issue for you if the bulk of what you would record would be
from the clear-QAM HD channels.

Hope this helps with your questions, but if not we are here to answer
any additional ones.

Best regards,

The Moxi team."

AppState

02-17-09, 02:09 PM

Otherwise, I will see if I can get QAM on this PC (with Windows Media Ctr and a Hauppauge card) and then watch it via the living room xbox MCE extender. Anyone have experience with this setup? QAM HD recordings thru extender with full surround sound?

Works well for me (I use an Avermedia card though). No issues with surround.

ClemsonKev

02-17-09, 02:26 PM

Works well for me (I use an Avermedia card though). No issues with surround.

Well, you must have a newer version of Vista then. I have learned that MS will only allow OEMs to carry the Media Center with TV PACK 2008 (which allows QAM tuning)! It also seems this will NOT be in SP2 for Vista.

MS and PC companies just want folks to buy more crap!
To see all about it, just Google: media center qam

popweaverhdtv

02-17-09, 08:33 PM

Originally posted by dad1153 on the "Hot Off The Press: The Latest TV News and Information" Message Board:

TV Sports
Shortened Daytona 500 ratings doused
Viewership down to 16 mil for Fox's rain-called race
By Paul J. Gough, Hollywood Reporter - February 17, 2009

Sunday's Daytona 500 ratings were lower than last year's race, and Fox Sports blamed it on the rain.

The telecast Sunday afternoon and early evening averaged 16 million viewers, Nielsen Media Research said Tuesday. That's down from last year's 17.8 million.

Viewership increases in the final laps but that wasn't the case this time. The Daytona 500 was called because of rain with 48 laps remaining; Matt Kenseth won the 152-lap race after a steady rain, a caution flag and a 16-minute delay.

The race averaged a 9.2/19 in Nielsen's preliminary estimates. That's down from last year's 10.2/20 and the lowest since 2000, which averaged an 8.4/22. In the past nine years, only one other race was cut short by rain. In 2003, the race averaged a 9.3/21 and 16.8 million viewers.

Even with the lower numbers, the Daytona 500 rates higher than the Indianapolis 500, which averaged 7.2 million viewers last year.

Nielsen said that Greenville, S.C., was the top market with a 21.2/33. Also in the top five: Greensboro, N.C. (19.9/33); Dayton, Ohio (18.0/31); Indianapolis (17.2/31); and Knoxville, Tenn. (16.9/27).

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/...873e7e2fc8fd1b (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/television/news/e3i0a2ed4a24bf26fb854873e7e2fc8fd1b)

rrainwater

02-17-09, 09:47 PM

Besides my late posting here, we have been trying very hard to work with the 300+ cable operators around the state as well as the other entities (satellite, guide data, ect).

I'm sure this is a huge under taking so I don't envy anyone involved. However, even before the analog changes, the Tribune guide data for the OTA WNTV (all sub channels) is highly inaccurate. I find myself watching WUNF much more often because WNTVDT and WNTVDT3 seem to be off so much. Maybe these lineup changes will get the guide data fixed.

arwalke

02-18-09, 12:04 AM

WNTV analog just shut down. They did a full station ident followed by a thank you, test pattern, and then nothing.

enoree

02-18-09, 12:10 AM

62 is still running public service spots as of 12:10

sbennett

02-18-09, 12:36 AM

Our DTV encoder upgrade and service lineup changes are complete.

-Shaun

rrainwater

02-18-09, 12:54 AM

Our DTV encoder upgrade and service lineup changes are complete.

-Shaun

WNTV is now on 9.x and seems to be working just fine.

jtbell

02-18-09, 01:03 AM

When I last looked about ten minutes ago, the SCETV stations were showing only the RF channel number (not the virtual channel number), with no labels like "ETV" or "SC Chan", and no program guide. My Zenith and Channel Master CECBs could scan them in (from scratch) that way, but my Samsung DTB-H260F couldn't scan them in at all. Haven't tried re-scanning on the Sony DVR yet.

WGGS-DT seems to come in better now that it doesn't have to compete on ch 35 with SCETV from Columbia.

jself1982

02-18-09, 01:08 AM

For some reason, my OTA thru my Dish Network receiver DVR w/ digital tuner will get a signal on 29 29.2 and 29.3 but shows a "trying to find signal" yellow box.. ??? I get a signal but not picture. Been like this since 12

rrainwater

02-18-09, 01:12 AM

Trip in VA

02-18-09, 01:13 AM

No PSIP? That's bad.

- Trip

rrainwater

02-18-09, 01:17 AM

No PSIP? That's bad.

- Trip

It is after midnight. My guess is some stuff might not be fixed until later in the day.

rrainwater

02-18-09, 01:35 AM

No PSIP? That's bad.

- Trip

It's now mapping to 29 although there is major picture breakup on 29.1.

Trip in VA

02-18-09, 01:54 AM

Can anyone get me a TSReader capture of any of the SCETV stations in their new configuration?

- Trip

sbennett

02-18-09, 02:19 AM

It's now mapping to 29 although there is major picture breakup on 29.1.

I had to reset our PSIP unit to get it to properly map with our new encoder settings. We currently are having audio issues on our HD program due to router problems. We should not be breaking up, so I will see if I can track it down for that transmitter.

Can anyone get me a TSReader capture of any of the SCETV stations in their new configuration?

I can get you WRLK in Columbia off my antenna.

Also, some receivers took the service changes better than others. Two of our test units had to be power cycled to properly operate. Sorry for the issues.

-Shaun

Trip in VA

02-18-09, 02:31 AM

I can get you WRLK in Columbia off my antenna.

Awesome, thanks. :) HTML Export, all data except EIT and Thumbnails.

Ideally, I like to get TSReader captures from as many stations as I can get, but I try not to bug people who work at stations for such things if I can help it. You work with something like that all day; last thing you want to do when you get home is stare at it some more! :D

- Trip

sbennett

02-18-09, 02:43 AM

Ideally, I like to get TSReader captures from as many stations as I can get, but I try not to bug people who work at stations for such things if I can help it.

No problem, I do not mind sending captures anytime. Well, at least when our PSIP generator is working correctly. Give me a few minutes.

-Shaun (AJ4DI)

Trip in VA

02-18-09, 02:58 AM

No problem, I do not mind sending captures anytime. Well, at least when our PSIP generator is working correctly. Give me a few minutes.

-Shaun (AJ4DI)

Thanks, I greatly appreciate it. No rush on any of it; I'll be going to bed soon myself. I just wanted to catch any stations going at midnight on the west coast.

If you get a chance, I'm missing the Columbia area network stations as far as TSReader data goes. If it's really not a bother, any chance I could get those? (Lower priority than SCETV, as that requires some work to bring my listings for all the SCETV stations up to date; I've started work on WRLK just by guessing)

73's. :D

- Trip

jself1982

02-18-09, 10:15 AM

So is PBS channel 2 not The SC Channel anymore? Its showing 'Create', I'd rather have the SC Channel.

rrainwater

02-18-09, 11:25 AM

I had to reset our PSIP unit to get it to properly map with our new encoder settings. We currently are having audio issues on our HD program due to router problems. We should not be breaking up, so I will see if I can track it down for that transmitter.

I am not seeing any video issues this morning. It seems it was fixed overnight.

sbennett

02-18-09, 12:25 PM

So is PBS channel 2 not The SC Channel anymore? Its showing 'Create', I'd rather have the SC Channel.

ETV channel 2 is still the SC Channel. Some of the content on the channel is from other sources like PBS create.

-Shaun

Trip in VA

02-18-09, 01:33 PM

How much content is coming from Create, and what other sources other than local productions are on SC Channel? If there's a significant amount of Create on it, I might adjust my site's listings for it...

- Trip

josrq

02-18-09, 06:13 PM

Just found Weather Channel HD on my QAM tuners of 2 HDTVs this afternoon.:) This is in Simpsonville, SC via Charter. Wish they would put more stations in the clear.

rrainwater

02-18-09, 06:24 PM

Just found Weather Channel HD on my QAM tuners of 2 HDTVs this afternoon.:) This is in Simpsonville, SC via Charter. Wish they would put more stations in the clear.

I believe it has always been in the clear for some reason.

popweaverhdtv

02-18-09, 06:37 PM

I believe it has always been in the clear for some reason.

It must be an Upstate thang! Don't have TWC HD in the clear via QAM in WNC.

rrainwater

02-18-09, 06:58 PM

It must be an Upstate thang! Don't have TWC HD in the clear via QAM in WNC.

My guess is they don't realize it yet and will probably fix it the next time they do a channel lineup update.

johnnyray

02-19-09, 10:40 AM

The "zooming" problem might be due to what we call AFD or Active Format Description. This is information in the HD video used to control downconverters to either letterbox or center-cut 16x9 video material for 4x3 sets For example, NBC want to letterbox certain shows because they are not "center-cut safe". They have requested cable companies use this feature in their equipment if they down convert the HD signal for the SD feed on their cable system. If this is the case, you will see switching between letter box and center cut depending on what the program supplier has determined is the best way for the 16x9 program to be displayed in 4x3 and your set won't be able to undo it. I've heard some converter boxes have this feature, but HD sets don't since they are 16x9. So it could be the cable company's down converting equipment. Speculation at this point as to what might be going on at Mediacom but a possibility.

Thanks for the explanation. That seems to be what is happening since it only seems to occur on the network shows and not the local ones as far as I can tell. So, the only way to stop it is to upgrade from a basic Mediacom package to an HD signal (my TV from 2000 is "HD-REady" but I have never used a STB to actually receive an HD signal on it) or to a satellite provider?

Oxb

02-19-09, 10:46 AM

I do not usually view it, but the analog WSPA on Charter looks sort of letterboxed and squashed in height. Is this more widespread than Charter?

As of this afternoon, the problem is no longer there. I first noticed the strange proportions last night and it was still evident this morning.

ClemsonKev

02-19-09, 01:17 PM

FYI:

My Sony HD DVR which has good antenna recep. by window has HOST CH. 29 (OTA).

My LG tv's which don't have good antenna recep. both show HOST CH. 16 (charter UNC PBS).

rrainwater

02-21-09, 01:20 PM

Besides my late posting here, we have been trying very hard to work with the 300+ cable operators around the state as well as the other entities (satellite, guide data, ect).

It probably will not be pretty, but what I like about this forum is how quick information gets out to the users. If you notice anything strange after we make our change, please let me know so I can correct what ever I have missed on my checklist. Changing PID information in the transport stream is likely to upset several receivers and tuners, but hopefully this will be a one time thing. Kind of like pulling the band aid off at once instead slowly changing things.

It looks like the Tribune OTA guide data has been updated to be mostly correct for WNTV. However, Charter in Greenville has the wrong guide data for 788. They still list it as WNTVDT3 even though it is really WNTVDT. From my experience if users submit a request to Tribune to make these changes, it will never happen. I hope someone else can find a way to get them to fix this channel assignment at Tribune so it changes the channel id on 788.

rrainwater

02-21-09, 05:28 PM

It appears WMYADT is now broadcasting on a different frequency today. So you will probably need to do a channel re-scan to find the station. Does anyone know if this is a permanent change? I'm not sure why they wouldn't of done this on the 17th. Anyways, it appears they still haven't turned off the analog 40 (it is still looping the DTV info).

Trip in VA

02-21-09, 05:36 PM

rrainwater

02-21-09, 05:38 PM

What frequency would that be? They should be on 14 and have no permits to move anywhere. :confused:

- Trip

Yes, it is now on 14. It was on digital frequency 40.

Trip in VA

02-21-09, 05:42 PM

Yes, it is now on 14. It was on digital frequency 40.

It was never on 40. The analog's on 40. The digital has always been on 14.

Are you saying the mapping changed? It's now displaying as 14-1?

- Trip

rrainwater

02-21-09, 05:47 PM

It was never on 40. The analog's on 40. The digital has always been on 14.

Are you saying the mapping changed? It's now displaying as 14-1?

- Trip

Well, on my TiVo, it no longer maps WMYADT to the right channel but a channel scan finds it on 40.1 w/ frequency of 14. The old 40.1 that has guide data points to 40. This happened today so it's possible Tribune changed the mapping to the wrong frequency.

Trip in VA

02-21-09, 05:56 PM

Yeah, something must be wrong. I've heard of a couple of other stations with issues like that, actually. KDSM in Des Moines screwed up for people on TiVos I think, same story.

- Trip

popweaverhdtv

02-22-09, 11:06 AM

I hadn't noticed this before, but WSPA's telecast of First Baptist Church's Sunday Services are in HD. Has this been occurring for a while (maybe since WSPA's newscasts and "Your Carolinas" went HD)?

ClemsonKev

02-22-09, 12:27 PM

popweaverhdtv

02-22-09, 12:30 PM

jself1982

02-22-09, 01:02 PM

My friend/neighbor is paying for an extra digital cable box he is no longer using (his daughter moved out). He offered to let me use the box if I just pay for the rental on the box to him.

I have basic cable.

1) Is what he is suggesting possible?
2) Is it legal?

thanks,
Kevin

It will work fine as long as you have basic cable that isn't trapped by the roadside/telephone pole. As long as the serial number is activated on an account, you can take that box to anyones house with Charter and it should work, but it may only work in your area. I had a digital receiver added onto my mom's cable at her house in Greenville, brought it to my house in Easley and it worked fine here and received the channels she sub's to. Now using a Comcast box on Charter won't work. Same for the internet too, as long as the serial numbers are activated on an account it will work.

People in apartment complex's do this too, they will have a couple of people with about 6 digital receivers on an account, the neighbor will rig up their place to get "free" cable and then pay someone a receiver fee, hook up the digital receiver themselves, and get cable for almost near nothing...sure it isn't legal in some eyes, but it will work and does work and no Charter don't send people knocking on doors to catch such stuff, Charter comes when you call them, that's how people get caught.

mdavej

02-22-09, 02:44 PM

rrainwater

02-26-09, 11:52 AM

I noticed WYFF had a audio loss for quite a while last night around 8 o'clock. I wasn't watching the program but it did come back at least by 8:30 pm. I'm not sure when it went out however.

calvinb

02-26-09, 12:27 PM

Well, I hate to do it but I'll beat this horse again. Anybody know when DirecTV is going to start giving us Raycom programming in HD on the FSN's? Watching USC / UK last nite in SD was depressing. I know Charleston cable customers get Raycom in HD but they're probably on a local network. Anyone know?

sbennett

02-26-09, 03:55 PM

Turned on Nova at 2pm Sunday on 29.1 and it was letter-boxed at 1080i. The other day it was full 16:9, just like it used to be on 29.3. The others (29.2 and 29.3) are practically postage stamps. Will this change soon? I sure hope it doesn't stay this way.

We are still working to fully implement AFD in house so our equipment knows how to handle the different content we have. I am not sure when this issue will be resolved, but we are definitely aware of it.

-Shaun

mdavej

02-26-09, 05:34 PM

Sounds good. Thanks for the update, Shaun.

rrainwater

02-28-09, 04:42 PM

Charter still has 788 listed as WNTVDT3 through Tribune so obviously the guide data is almost always wrong. I tried contacting Tribune about this but they haven't made any updates.

charterjosh

03-01-09, 02:53 AM

Charter still has 788 listed as WNTVDT3 through Tribune so obviously the guide data is almost always wrong. I tried contacting Tribune about this but they haven't made any updates.
I'm going to try to ask someone about this next week. I meant to this week but it's been pretty busy.

ClemsonKev

03-01-09, 10:17 AM

What PBS HD channel is on Charter QAM ch.103.3??
I need to get the data right on my TVGOS.

Thanks in advance.

rrainwater

03-01-09, 12:40 PM

What PBS HD channel is on Charter QAM ch.103.3??
I need to get the data right on my TVGOS.

Thanks in advance.

It's 788 on Charter. It use to be WNTVDT3 but it is now WNTVDT.

cruxer

03-01-09, 02:42 PM

WYFF-DT appears to be down. I'm getting nothing either via DirecTV or OTA.

-c

rrainwater

03-01-09, 02:44 PM

WYFF-DT appears to be down. I'm getting nothing either via DirecTV or OTA.

-c

Yeah, OTA is down. Charter is showing the SD version on 784.

boggaf05

03-01-09, 02:44 PM

WYFF-DT appears to be down. I'm getting nothing either via DirecTV or OTA.

-c

Same here :(

popweaverhdtv

03-01-09, 03:41 PM

On Facebook, WSPA Anchor Amy Wood is reporting that WSPA's Tower on Hogback Mountain tipped over due to high winds today. Those receiving WSPA OTA on Channel 7 are SOL for the time being until that's fixed. If you're watching WSPA via Cable or Satellite, I'm assuming the signal is being fed via fiber. Report WSPA's reception issues if you're experiencing it.

BTW, I'm getting WYFF-DT on Charter with no issues (at the moment).

jtbell

03-01-09, 04:04 PM

What PBS HD channel is on Charter QAM ch.103.3??
I need to get the data right on my TVGOS.

Since rrainwater has indicated that it's WNTVDT, the main SCETV channel which is now HD, try using one of the ETVH entries in TVGOS. That's what I'm using. There are also ETVSCC and SCC entries for the "SC Channel" and ETVW entries for the new "ETV World" channel.

popweaverhdtv

03-01-09, 05:05 PM

Update from Live Chat at WSPA.com re: WSPA's OTA signal:

"Hogback tower fell over in winds we are off the air and will be for few days for the on air signal.. if you get us off air"

Trip in VA

03-01-09, 05:10 PM

Is that just the analog or both the analog and the digital?

I wonder if CBS will show up on 62-2...

- Trip

boggaf05

03-01-09, 05:11 PM

WHNS HD, OTA & via DirecTV is broadcasting dead air. SD via DirecTV is up for now. WSPA HD is up on DirecTV, my folks on DISH say they are not recieving WSPA due to the down tower.

popweaverhdtv

03-01-09, 05:14 PM

Is that just the analog or both the analog and the digital?

I wonder if CBS will show up on 62-2...

- Trip

According to the Web Chat at WSPA.com per Justin Cooper via their Engineers, it is on 62-2.

popweaverhdtv

03-01-09, 05:15 PM

WHNS HD, OTA & via DirecTV is broadcasting dead air. SD via DirecTV is up for now. WSPA HD is up on DirecTV, my folks on DISH say they are not recieving WSPA due to the down tower.

WHNS is running on Analog only on Charter here in Asheville. They have had issues with the Satellite Feed from FOX due to the Wx (based on the lower crawl). Plenty of issues to go around.

Update at 5:15 p.m.: The DT Feed was airing Color Bars from the FOX Feed. They're trying to get the feed back up and running!

WSPA.com Web Chat Update at 5:43 p.m.: 62.2 is officially carrying WSPA's OTA Signal due to the tower fall.

enoree

03-01-09, 05:53 PM

Sure glad I have a rotor and pre-amp, FOX 18-1 HD from Charlotte is coming in rock solid here in Enoree and NASCAR is looking good.

bdfox18doe

03-01-09, 05:56 PM

Sure glad I have a rotor and pre-amp, FOX 18-1 HD from Charlotte is coming in rock solid here in Enoree and NASCAR is looking good.

Well Thanks! :)

boggaf05

03-01-09, 06:03 PM

WSPA is live on wspa.com with their newscast, rehersal for now...

popweaverhdtv

03-01-09, 06:20 PM

WSPA is live on wspa.com with their newscast, rehersal for now...

WSPA will be airing their newscasts via WSPA.com until their tower is fixed. The pics of the tower are pretty bad. I have a feeling that it'll be a while!

boggaf05

03-01-09, 06:32 PM

WSPA will be airing their newscasts via WSPA.com until their tower is fixed. The pics of the tower are pretty bad. I have a feeling that it'll be a while!

Ouch! That will take a bit to fix.

gbynum

03-01-09, 08:58 PM

The weather channel seems to be gone on Charter, both SD (3) and clear QAM HD (75.2).

ClemsonKev

03-01-09, 09:14 PM

The weather channel seems to be gone on Charter, both SD (3) and clear QAM HD (75.2).

LOL, it was free (QAM) when nobody wanted it. But now with our winter storm, they pulled it..... brilliant!

jtbell

03-01-09, 09:16 PM

WYCW 62-2 is carrying a SD feed of WSPA, which doesn't surprise me, but 62-1 is now showing a "Loss of input signal" message that is definitely not coming from my tuner.

And... WMYA is gone, both analog 40 (the "nightlight" loop) and digital 40-1 and 40-2.

(just checked around after watching 60 Minutes and Amazing Race on WBTV since WSPA is out)

[added] 62-1 came back in time for the 10pm news, in the usual mix of HD and stretch-o-vision SD. WMYA is still out at 10:30.

arwalke

03-01-09, 10:41 PM

I wonder if both WSPA-DT and analog were killed by the tower collapse...I imagine if both were knocked out, this will transition WSPA to digital-only sooner than June 12.

jself1982

03-02-09, 12:42 AM

I wonder if both WSPA-DT and analog were killed by the tower collapse...I imagine if both were knocked out, this will transition WSPA to digital-only sooner than June 12.

I was thinking the same thing too. Or at least I hope they are all digital when they get things back up and running. Wonder if an analog transmitter could've survived that fall? :)

gbynum

03-02-09, 08:11 AM

Wonder if an analog transmitter could've survived that fall? :)I don't believe that the transmitter will be tower-mounted. Back in the '60s and '70s I worked with 2 meter repeaters which had at least 3 problems in doing that ... the size of the cavities which would not apply, the frequency stability over temperature which MIGHT not apply, and the matching of the transmitter to the antenna over temperature which probably would. A television transmitter is not a small thing ... my guess is that it would be in the 5000 lb range for a medium one ... on the tower.

Your question may have concerned final amplifier damage from a shorted or open feedline; how well any are protected is an interesting question. We have at least 3 station engineers here who may address that if we ask. I'm asking <g>.

George

foxeng

03-02-09, 09:42 AM

http://www.wspa.com/spa/news/local/article/live_stream_news_channel_7_at_600pm/15132/#fragment-2

jself1982

03-02-09, 12:27 PM

I know this is unfortunate on their part, but I hope this tragedy forces them to go all-digital when they get their tower and such back up and running.

foxeng

03-02-09, 12:55 PM

By the time they can get a new tower up with antennas it will be past June 12th.

ClemsonKev

03-02-09, 01:03 PM

Since rrainwater has indicated that it's WNTVDT, the main SCETV channel which is now HD, try using one of the ETVH entries in TVGOS. That's what I'm using. There are also ETVSCC and SCC entries for the "SC Channel" and ETVW entries for the new "ETV World" channel.

Well, I tried "WNTV-DT" on one device and that was wrong.
Another device listed 103.3 QAM (788 Charter Digital) as "ETVW" by itself, but those listings were also incorrect.

Heck, even the listings found on ZapTV.com vs. YahooTV vs. Tivo.com are different for ch.788!

All I want is Motorweek in HD weekly and an occasional showing of Soundstage, Frontline, Nova or Great Performances.

Any other advice?

Charter/PBS/TVGOS: help! :mad:

rrainwater

03-02-09, 01:54 PM

Well, I tried "WNTV-DT" on one device and that was wrong.
Another device listed 103.3 QAM (788 Charter Digital) as "ETVW" by itself, but those listings were also incorrect.

Heck, even the listings found on ZapTV.com vs. YahooTV vs. Tivo.com are different for ch.788!

All I want is Motorweek in HD weekly and an occasional showing of Soundstage, Frontline, Nova or Great Performances.

Any other advice?

Charter/PBS/TVGOS: help! :mad:

Like I have said before, even if you get the correct lineup (WNTVDT), it will not be correct because the guide data is never correct for WNTVDT or any of the sub channels. This is why I mainly use WUNF for the last few years as at least they have guide data that is correct.

ClemsonKev

03-02-09, 02:02 PM

Like I have said before, even if you get the correct lineup (WNTVDT), it will not be correct because the guide data is never correct for WNTVDT or any of the sub channels. This is why I mainly use WUNF for the last few years as at least they have guide data that is correct.

So, are you suggesting that I "map" my QAM 103.3 to "WUNF" so that the GUIDE DATA is correct?

I am pretty sure WUNF is one of the dozens of PBS options listed in my TVGOS stations available for manual mapping. ;)

jself1982

03-02-09, 02:53 PM

By the time they can get a new tower up with antennas it will be past June 12th.

wow. So what would happen before then to get their OTA signal back up and going or the digital OTA signal back up?

rrainwater

03-02-09, 03:01 PM

So, are you suggesting that I "map" my QAM 103.3 to "WUNF" so that the GUIDE DATA is correct?
)

No, there is not a source for correct guide data for WNTV. There never has been afaik. Until they fix their own guide data with Tribune, there's not a good solution.

ClemsonKev

03-02-09, 03:12 PM

No, there is not a source for correct guide data for WNTV. There never has been afaik. Until they fix their own guide data with Tribune, there's not a good solution.

well that just stinks.
I used to get reliable guide data for 103.3 QAM just a few weeks ago! I think I was mapping this channel to WNTVHD with TVGOS.

Any ACCURATE source online? I just want to see when I can record Motorweek in HD on 103.3! It used to come on at 3:30pm on Saturday or Sunday. SD on Speed Vision just doesn't compare IMHO.

foxeng

03-02-09, 03:20 PM

wow. So what would happen before then to get their OTA signal back up and going or the digital OTA signal back up?

My guess is if there is another tower close by (looked like it in one of the pictures) they may be able to put up a temp analog antenna. Personally, I wouldn't worry about trying to get a temp digital up since they will be forced to change changes in 102 days anyway so I would put my emphasis on rebuilding a channel 36 system and have something ready for it and then build the new tower strictly for channel 36 since by that time, analog will be gone and so will their out of core channel.

Just my opinion.