First off, I'd much rather have every piece of content in 16:9, but I know that is years ahead...maybe even never for some of the low budget content. But, it does reduce burn in for your plasmas and rear projection sets. Also, if you don't have bars at all, it causes the picture to be distorted (ex.: WHNS when they first starting airing digital). Sure, black isn't as distracting, but it can cause problems with some types of TVs. To me, it looks more professional. I know it may not be as popular with some, but it makes more sense.

As far as WLOS, it totally spun my rotor 360, and never found a solid hot spot for the signal. I did find it locking better at a slightly different angle, which actually works better with my other stations, so I don't have to rotate as much when I change channels. I've NEVER had it this weak before. Weird. I'm thinking that possibly the adjusted orientation might be causing it to be blocked by the mountain range...kind of "out there" as a hypothesis, but still a possibility. Anyone else thinking this way?

I've NEVER had it this weak before. Weird. I'm thinking that possibly the adjusted orientation might be causing it to be blocked by the mountain range...kind of "out there" as a hypothesis, but still a possibility. Anyone else thinking this way?They've temporary lowered the power. A lengthier description was provided a few pages back.

They've temporary lowered the power. A lengthier description was provided a few pages back.

I assume that they did lower the power as they said they were, but I haven't noticed any difference in my reception.

I assume that they did lower the power as they said they were, but I haven't noticed any difference in my reception.I have, but it's not a big deal. I get a weaker signal (and have to reorient my antenna to get anything at all), but it's still stable enough.

Last night I at least had a stable signal (at about 50%) so I could watch Lost and Alias. However, Tuesday night was awful with all the wind I couldn't get a stable signal. It was killing me! Hopefully I'll have a stable signal most of the time because we've all been told that they will be at the lower power for a prolonged period of time.

Last night I at least had a stable signal (at about 50%) so I could watch Lost and Alias. However, Tuesday night was awful with all the wind I couldn't get a stable signal. It was killing me! Hopefully I'll have a stable signal most of the time because we've all been told that they will be at the lower power for a prolonged period of time.

If all goes well they should be up at full power by this time next month.

Does anybody know if charter has cablecard service in Asheville? If yes is it any good?

Probably because I kept adding to my original package rather than getting a different package. I have the highest speed Internet access (or at least I used to; my speed has really dropped off recently, although my bill hasn't), the DVR (they charge me $10 for the box and $10 for the service), HD, HBO, Cinemax, that dumb printed guide, and an extra digital box in one of my other rooms. I'll call one of these days and see if I can repackage everything. It's stupid that I'm being charged as much as I am.Adam, looks like I've got an identical setup (Moxi, 2nd digital box, all premium channels, HD tier, plus whatever other SD tiers came with it, 3Mb internet) and my bill is $127. Still too high, but lower than all other TV/Net packages available here. Time you did some hard negotiating. ;)

BTW, Do you have inside info about that 3.2 Moxi firmware release being imminent?

As I understood, WLOS is powered down to replace some parts on the tower and make the HD transmitter more resistant to winter ice. To get any reception in the mountains and to be able to reach Greenville-Spartanburg, the tower had to be high. But it comes with a cost. The weather on top of pisgah can be dreadful. In the winter you can figure about 3-5 degrees per 1000 feet and pisgah is about 4000 feet higher than Asheville.

Ironically, WLOS moved their studios from on town mountain near the Grove Park to a nice flat location near the Biltmore House. I think one of the main reasons was to prevent the power loss they experienced when the snow and ice got too deep. The studio looked horrible on backup power. It also makes it much easier for employees to get in and out in bad weather.

The weather cam view for WLOS is from their tower on mount pisgah usually toward enka (west of asheville). If you watch the weathercam through the winter with the snow and ice it is amazing they stay on the air.

But this is nothing compared to WNCW (who uses WMIT's old tower.). WMIT/WNCW are located near Mt. Mitchell and about 600 feet higher than WLOS's tower. One time they were off the air for 2 weeks. Mt. Mitchell had gotten about 4 feet of snow. The snowcat they normally use to reach the tower got bogged down, so the engineer had to snowshoe 10+ miles to the tower, figure out what was wrong, shoeshow back, get the replacement part, and showshoe to the tower one more time to fix it.

After a week of channel-surfing with my new roof antenna, rotator, and HD tuner, the signal I get from WYFF seems to be a lot more variable than from other stations. My tuner has a simple 1-10 bar signal strength display, on which WYFF usually comes in at 9-10, but with frequent brief deep dips into the 0-5 range which wreck the picture. In contrast, WSPA comes in rock solid, always pegged at the 10-bar level. Is there something flaky about the signal itself, or am I the victim of some kind of geographical quirk?

I've taken to using WCNC (Charlotte) for my NBC station. It's somewhat further away (72 vs. 61 miles) and the signal usually maxes out at about 8, but it doesn't have those deep dips, so it's much more pleasant to watch.

guys, is the move of the WLOS tower the reason the audio does not sync? Or is this just my Directv receiver? Seems like when I watch an HDTV program on WLOS the audio never syncs? Anyone else have the same issue? Also, I wonder when we will be a part of the Directv upgrade to LIL and MPEG4?? Thanks for the help.........

guys, is the move of the WLOS tower the reason the audio does not sync? Or is this just my Directv receiver? Seems like when I watch an HDTV program on WLOS the audio never syncs? Anyone else have the same issue? Also, I wonder when we will be a part of the Directv upgrade to LIL and MPEG4?? Thanks for the help.........


I dont have lip sync issues with WLOS. If the D* LIL comes of as planned I think the Charlotte and Greenville markets will have HD LIL by this time next year.

jtbell

You're experiencing what I've been experiencing for a while now. WYFF is very "touchy" for some reason. It will lock on hard, but have frequent drop outs. The only "cure" is your antenna has to be perfectly in line with the signal. What type of antenna are you using? I have a DB4 on my roof at 20ft and I still have to ocassionally adjust my antenna for WYFF. Hopefully, they'll fix this soon. You're right, WSPA is solid, as well at WHNS.

Anyone know anything about WBSC's signal? I can sniff their signal, but it's not strong enough to actually receive anything.

I'm glad to learn that it's not just me. Maybe one of these days WYFF will do something to fix that quirk.

Tomorrow I go off on vacation for a few weeks, so I can stop obsessing about this stuff for a while. When I get back I'll start obsessing about new TVs. :)

"Anyone know anything about WBSC's signal? I can sniff their signal, but it's not strong enough to actually receive anything."

WBSC is supposed to go full power by the end of June.

I'm glad to learn that it's not just me. Maybe one of these days WYFF will do something to fix that quirk.

Tomorrow I go off on vacation for a few weeks, so I can stop obsessing about this stuff for a while. When I get back I'll start obsessing about new TVs. :)


WYFF-DT is by far my most reliable DT signal. I suggest it is your location/antenna or possibly the receiver. The latest generation "chip" is now on the market..and users report excellent results in multi-path locations. And by the way, WLOS-DT at 33 pct. signal on the Sammy receiver (during their futher reduced power) is still very reliable although I am not line of site.

My D* H10 and my E* 811 both get very good SS on WLOS-DT here in Enoree, while my older DTC-100 was very iffy.

jtbell,

It could be a situation where you are over driving the signal. It sounds like your setup is geared towards longer range signals, and with the relative close and powerful WYFF signal, you might be overdriving it. If your amp has the abitility to reduce its power, try that to see if WYFF comes in better.

It also could be that you just have a obstruction between you and the tower. Your neighbor may get a perfect signal and yours could be degraded by a certain tree, building, etc.

No 3.2 In Spartanburg yet. Anyone here anything new ?
Also , the VOD Menu item was on for me a couple days ,now it's gone for the last couple days . It never worked when it was on , though.

Good to see that WSPA is passing 3/2.1 now. Only minor dropouts, weather likely.

No 3.2 In Spartanburg yet. Anyone here anything new ?June 7th. If you haven't gotten a letter in the mail about it yet, you should very soon.

Got my letter today, which is cool. For those people who are not forum frequenters like us, this letter will really help them understand and use the new features.

What's up with the Braves HD from Charter Asheville? The widescreen is gone and it looks like Digital SD on Channel 774.

The feed from turner south is not the stadium feed, but is the regular channel feed with commercials. Last night Pete was cussing and cutting up during commercials, so maybe there are afraid to send out the stadium feed. But since Turner South doesn't broadcast in HD, we'll lode 60+ HD games (the only reason I subscribe to Charter).

Got my letter today, which is cool.It would be cooler if they'd send out the update. :) (I didn't realize when I posted that yesterday was June 7th. Still didn't have the update before I left for work this morning, at least.)

I got the 3.2 update yesterday. Really like the native passthru.

Still no VOD, however. Talked to a CSR, who said that part would come today (June 8) - probably not until tonight.

Got my update on Tuesday, and my VOD started working.

Can anyone comment on the relative PQ of Charter HD versus D* and OTA?

Obvious downrezzing or bandwidth choking?

Can anyone comment on the relative PQ of Charter HD versus D* and OTA?

Obvious downrezzing or bandwidth choking?

Well, I don't have D*, but I think there are very few channels that would overlap OTA and Charter or D*. Afterall, only the local networks come in with OTA and there are currently only two local channels picked up in HD by Charter, and there won't be any local channels in HD on D*. Now I guess you will get a big city feed of the major networks with D*, but not the "non-major" networks ETV, etc.

Picture quality between OTA and the two charter local HD channels are about the same, but with Charter you don't have to worry about signal dropouts, multipath, etc.

Theoretically, OTA will almost always beat out PQ on any other provider due to its much broader bandwidth capibility. However, that isn't always the case due to the fact that the provider may not either be 1) providing a quality stream or 2) combing the HD signal with other SD or data signals. So, it just depends. I don't have Charter and have never seen Charter, so I can't comment, but I do have D*. Is it stunningly beautiful? No. Does it satisfy my HD needs? Yes. If you calibrate your TV correctly, it looks pretty darn good, on some stuff. Here's come the tricky part: not all of D*'s channels get the same amount of bandwidth. The movies channels, for instance, get considerably less bandwidth than ESPNHD or Discovery. In the long run, I see D* kicking Charter's butt with them throwing up more satellites. Charter is limited because of it's pipe (they can only send so much down the line, whereas D* can just put up another sat). To me, D* is just a better value for what you get. It's HD offerings as far as PQ aren't magnificent, but then again, I don't THINK Charter's is a world's or difference. And you don't have to deal with Charter's customer service either...

Got 3.2 on Thursday morning (6/9) at about 9:30am. VOD is working also.

Now if Charter would just add WHNS and WLOS to the HD lineup I'd be a happy camper!

My kids have Charter and some of the SD channels that are nationwide type have a SNOWY picture, I have NEVER had snow with D* or E*. All in all the PQ on Charter is abysmally bad compared to D* or E*.

Has anyone with the Moxi unit noticed channel 799 now has a TBA label? This is what it looked like before they labeled TNTHD, Universal HD and CBS-HD! Wonder if we are finally getting Fox or ABC!

Has anyone with the Moxi unit noticed channel 799 now has a TBA label? This is what it looked like before they labeled TNTHD, Universal HD and CBS-HD! Wonder if we are finally getting Fox or ABC!


Yesterday I noticed this on MOXI.
INHD2 on 799 last night(was free)
The Braves HD disappeared though.

799 on Charter last night (6/11) was for the HD PPV of the Tyson fight. I know this because Charter called and left a message on my answering machine to try to get me to pay for it. I noticed that 799 is no longer in the line up this morning.

799 on Charter last night (6/11) was for the HD PPV of the Tyson fight. I know this because Charter called and left a message on my answering machine to try to get me to pay for it. I noticed that 799 is no longer in the line up this morning.

799 was on the Moxi at 8am this morning, now it is gone.
The Braves HD is back though.

I've been following this thread off and on for a while and have a couple questions. I see people mentioning the 3.2 update in Spartanburg. I assume this is for the Moxi. Is this true in Greenville as well? Has the issues with SD picture quality that some were complaining about been fixed? What kind of output cables does the Moxi use? I'm using DVI with my OTA and the TV only has 1 DVI input. It does have an hdmi input, but I'm not up to speed on that one. My understanding is that it's DVI video with digital audio. I don't use the speakers in my TV however, so I don't know if that would work for me. My audio receiver does have Digital Optical audio and Digital Coax audio inputs.
Thanks for any and all input
Craig

Is this true in Greenville as well?I have it here in Simpsonville, at least, so I'd assume it's available in Greenville too.

Has the issues with SD picture quality that some were complaining about been fixed?SD looks a fair bit better to me, although I admittedly never really watched much of it.

What kind of output cables does the Moxi use?If you want to watch HD, you're stuck with component video only. There's a DVI port, but it's not active and doesn't seem likely to be any time soon. You have your choice of optical or digital coax for audio, though.

Re WLOS
I found WLOS-DT is off the air today, and station personnel report they are changing out the antenna but can give no details about when it will be completed. The same source says the power increase will not be before the end of the month.

Thanks for the tip, Jerry. I just got a E* 942 installed today and was a little concerned when I couldn't get even a blip from WLOS, when I got it from my VOOM receiver fine through yesterday. Hope they get it back soon, NBA Finals are getting interesting.

Has anyone else here in the Greenville Market with a Moxi had problems with WSPA (channel 7) on Charter's Moxi. Things recorded on WSPA, the recording jumps all over the place, the picture freezes on gets all pixel-ated. It happened Tuesday and Today (Thursday). I wondered if this is aproblem system wise, or is it just me?

Re WLOS-DT
As of Friday afternoon WLOS-DT is operating on its new antenna, with field tuning schduled for early in the week. As of now, it has increased my signal reading by about 10%. Increased power still is targeted for July 1.

jb

Good to see WLOS-DT back on the air, but they aren't showing tonight's Game 5 of the NBA Finals in HD. I had to switch to WSOC out of Charlotte.

Yeah..but when are we going to get WLOS-DT on Charter???

Re UNC-TV system, Here is a message from Wayne Estabrooks:

"This morning at around 4am all the UNC-TV digital transmitters were off the air as well as the feeds to all digital cable systems. This was done to make some necessary changes in the transmitted signal. These changes are mandated by federal regulations.

Some DTV over the air viewers may experience problems receiving some of the UNC-TV DTV channels. A simple channel rescan of their DTV receiver should solve the problem."

Is anyone having trouble getting WLOS-DT. I am unable to get "any signal" I live in Simpsonville SC. I get all the other DT signals almost perfectly, including WUNF-DT 33.1 (PBS). It seems odd because WLOS-DT and WUNF-DT are both in ASheville NC at 337 and 56.2 miles from us(according to AntennaWeb). I get a very strong signal for WUNF-DT and nothing for WLOS-DT. Thanks for any and all help.

CW

WLOS has been in the process of installing a new antenna and they are also mandated to go full power by july 1st, so it's most likely that they are down to install new equipment.

All...regarding WLOS-DT
The following was received from Jim Carrier:
"We shutdown the low power yesterday afternoon, removed it from the antenna and moved it into storage. Worst case, we'll have hi power on 7/1."

Is anyone having trouble getting WLOS-DT. xxx. Thanks for any and all help.

CW
Also see my post on 6/19

Re WLOS-DT
As of Friday afternoon WLOS-DT is operating on its new antenna, with field tuning schduled for early in the week. As of now, it has increased my signal reading by about 10%. Increased power still is targeted for July 1.

jb


I read this post. I did't take it as no signal was possible.

CW

Thanks for the info! I will check for signal on 7/1.

CW

For what it's worth, WLOS-D came in fine for me last weekend here in Simpsonville, but I'm also unable to get anything at all to come in now, no matter how I orient my antenna.

Please see my message above with information from Jim Carrier. WLOS is off the air while installing a new full power transmitter. Jim expects to be on the air not later than July 1.

OT
NASCAR will be moving to NBC this coming weekend. Hope it looks as good as it did on FOX. I don't think their announcers were as good as Waltrip's gang either.

I agree - I loved the FOX HD broadast, esp. with DW and all the gang. I do hope NBC can be as good as FOX.

Lets just hope the folks at WYFF remember to flip the switch, as they are not used to NBC doing anything much in the way of HD sports.

If they don't, I'll be glad to call and remind them.

To all:
WESTERN CAROLINAS HDTV AND DT TELEVISION STATIONS (Updated June 28, 2005):
This is a newly updated thread devoted to the Western Carolinas television market that includes Greenville-Spartanburg-Anderson (SC) AND Asheville (NC) areas. We are fortunate to have several station's personnel contribute information. This is issued during the week that all stations are required to begin full power operation, and a posting of your experience after this happens will be appreciated

Market overview--The western portions of the Carolinas is designated by the FCC as a “hyphenate” market, with station transmitters serving the area generally clustered in a relatively narrow line along the NC and SC border from Mt. Pisgah to Caesar’s Head to Hogback. The forum rules now result in the new "Greenville, SC" heading.

The first step for a new comer to the HDTV experience is to get accurate information regarding antenna orientation by entering your address at: http://www.antennaweb.org/aw/welcome.asp

Western Carolinas DTV and HDTV stations as of June 2005 are:

WSPA/CBS (53) - Maps to 7-1 -- This station is at full power on Hogback Mountain (along with its Channel 7). This CBS affiliate was a pioneer in DT in the area, and now has an excellent signal used in passing on its network. It is owned by Media General, who also owns WASV-DT.

WYFF/NBC (59) -- Maps to 4-1, with NBC/Local weather on 4-2. Transmits from Caesar's Head, SC, at slightly reduced power. The Chief Engineer expects full power “no later than mid 2005.” Station has been subject to commercial power outages, but appears to have installed a new backup generator. Otherwise, the DT transmission has been reliable since the first quarter of 2003.

WLOS/ABC (56) -- As of this date (June 28, 2005) this station on Mt. Pisgah is off the air this week to install a new full power transmitter and expects to meet the FCC deadline at the end of the week with full power. Within the past month a new antenna was installed. WLOS-DT maps to 13-1 and its sister station (a WB affiliate) from Anderson, SC, is retransmitted as 13-2.

WASV-62 (45) Maps as 62-1. – UPN Affiliation. Operated by WSPA full time on Channel 45 rebroadcasting its Channel 62 NTSC signal. Station is located south of Hendersonville, NC midway between WSPA and WYFF near the SC/NC border. HDTV date unknown. Operates at 48kW.

WESTERN CAROLINAS PUBLIC TELEVISION--Both Greenville's Channel 9 and Asheville's Channel 25 are excellent sources for PBS HDTV programs:

WUNF-33 (UNC-TV) (25). Maps to 33-1,2,3,4,5. Prior to 8:00 p.m., the station offers four channels of SD/DT programming, reserving 33-2 as the HD channel during Prime time. This nighttime HD eliminates 33-3,4,5. Transmits from the WLOS tower on Mt. Pisgah. Transmits at full authorized power and is reliable in keeping its viewers updated regarding any changes (usually by use of this thread.)

SCETV HDTV is on Channel 9 from Parris Mt., north of Greenville. It is the only VHF DT in the area, but is subject to co-channel interference in some locations. Maps to 29-1,2,3. HDTV is on 29-3, 24 hours a day. Visually, the signal often pixelizes due to bandwidth. The station promised to test 720p as a solution but has never done this. Engineering staff is reliable in reporting changes, and reacting to technical problems.


WHNS-FOX. DT 57. Maps as 21-1, with weather radar on 21-2. Both SD and DT transmitters are located on a very tall tower on Rich Mountain, NC, near Caesar's Head, SC. Fox HD began in January 2005.

Date of posting--Revised June 2005. Prepared by J. Birdwell - [email]jbirdwe@bellsouth.net
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Nice work, Jerry, thanks.

Good job Jerry. Great for people new to the forums or the HD Market.

I e-mailed WASV earlier today and asked if there were any updates about broadcasting in HD, and I was told:

We're hoping to broadcast our prime programming in High Definition by the end of July.

So that's good news. Veronica Mars in HD!

Jerry,

May I suggest that you cut and paste that last post on the first page. I realize you reference the 6/28/05 date and suggest people find the above post. But with the thread already 60+ pages long, a newbe will give up trying to find it long before page 60 and simply ask repetitive questions, or simply not use this thread at all.

(If for some reason you are against posting that on the first page, may I suggest that you at least reference a page number (61) for people to try and find this 6/28/05 post.).

sic0048 - OK

Last night (actually very early this morning) I noticed that SCETV in Spartanburg (WRET) is now carrying the HD feed on 49-3 (43-3). It wasn't doing this before I left on vacation, May 31 to June 23. Is this very recent, or did I simply not notice it during the week I've been back? I did a fresh channel scan on my OTA STB last night, which might be a factor.

I'm looking forward to seeing how WLOS turns out after it comes back on the air, presumably by tomorrow. I can pick up WUNF which is from almost the same location, about 83 miles from here, but it's not very strong, about 5-6 out of 10 on my STB's meter. I first noticed it just last night, also, but hadn't tried very hard to find it before.

jtbell--
WUNF-DT is on the same tower as WLOS, slightly lower. WUNF is at maximum authorized power for that elevation above sea level, and for that frequency. It will be interesting to observe, but I don't expect much improvement at my location, when WLOS goes full power. I previously received a 69% signal at WUNF's low power, and my signal increased to 77-88% for WUNF when UNC-DT went full power. We'll see. WLOS signal was 69% on the old antenna, increasing to 77 during the few days it operated on the new antenna. (Even at 30%, I receive a rock-steady picture from WLOS.)

This week I am receiving a weak signal from WHNS-DT; possibly during equipment changes.

Other stations are usually 100%.

jb

Shortly after the "witching hour" (the full-power deadline), I started spinning the antenna around, and after a while I had to bite my tongue to keep from waking up my wife at the other end of the house. :D

WLOS/WBSC are coming in at about 8-9 on my meter if I aim the antenna carefully, and looking pretty steady. Welcome back!

WYFF is also stronger. The signal strength here still fluctuates, but I can find antenna positions where it stays high enough to get a reliable picture.

Going around to Charlotte, WBTV was a solid 10 to begin with, but WCNC, WWWB and WJZY have all improved. also to solid 10's. I can even get WCCB and WSOC at about 7-8.

The Columbia stations that transmit on UHF (WIS, WLTX, WACH) are now all in the 7-8 range. WOLO was pretty good to begin with, looks like it might have improved, too. I have a lot of trees in that direction, so it's hard to tell.

I can even see one station from Augusta now, WRDW, coming in at 8-9.

I just went back to check again. WLOS and WYFF seem to be gone right now, maybe for some tweaking.

Anyway, I'm very much encouraged right now. If things stay more or less like this, and I'm not just seeing freak weather conditions, I'll be happy.

jtbell

Man, that sounds awesome. Hopefully, this stuff is now beginning to be "stable," and we don't have to guess all the time. It's 3am right now (I'm getting home from the night shift), and I'm not pulling in WLOS...I guess they're tweaking. I can get WBSC (40-1, ch 14) for the first time in a while...they've been on low power for months. I've ordred a 42XG from Antenna's Direct and I'm gonna try it out. I've got some severe multipath issues with WYFF, a little with WSPA, that I'm going to try and clear up. A tree decided to take a huge growth spurt this spring and I don't care to climb up and trim up unless I HAVE to. Plus, I love to tinker, so I'm satsifying that as well. Don't you hate the "it's working fine, why are you going to mess it up" question?

At 7:20 am I still get nothing on WLOS. Maybe they will get it up some time today.

Ditto for me. I actually turned on the TV before heading out for work just to see if WLOS was up. It still wasn't at 8am.

That's good news about channel 40. I'll have to see if I can pick it up again.

I did some rescanning this morning, along with trying different antenna positions with my rotor and I was able to get WFMY-DT out of Greensboro NC, thats a LONG way from Enoree.

Last night a 1 am EST I was able to get WLOS-DT. Currently at 9:52 am EST they are not up and running. I guess that is what happens when you wait until the last minute to get it done.

I just tried to pick up 40 with no luck. The signal never moved off the lowest level when doing a antenna sweep on 40-1 and it moved just one bar when I tried 14-1. So apparently I can't pick it up. It is raining pretty hard right now, but I would still expect to pick up a half decent signal even if I could lock into it for a steady picture.

13-1 is still out as of 4pm.

Still nothing on WLOS-DT (13-1 , 13-2) as of 10:10 pm Est. I guess it was a teaser at 1am :(

I did some rescanning this morning, along with trying different antenna positions with my rotor and I was able to get WFMY-DT out of Greensboro NC, thats a LONG way from Enoree.Just did a rescan to see if I can pick up anything more than usual, and...wow -- I'm getting a very stable signal from WJZY-HD in Charlotte, which is also a pretty good distance from here in Simpsonville.

Although others here seem to be having no problem with 40.1, it's not coming in at all for me at the moment. Stays unwaveringly at 41%, no matter what height or orientation I keep my antenna at...even if I unplug the antenna, the strength still registers as 41%.

I did some rescanning this morning, along with trying different antenna positions with my rotor and I was able to get WFMY-DT out of Greensboro NC, thats a LONG way from Enoree.

enoree what kind of setup are you running? antenna model/pre-amp, etc? how high is your antenna mounted?

Radio Shack deep fringe Yagi, RS Pre Amp, CM remote controlled rotor, all on a 30ft telescoping mast with 3 guy wires for stability. I would imagine that my elevation here is lower than most of you farther north of me. I also rescanned my Columbia stations yesterday and WIS,WLTX and WACH are coming in during the Daytime hours now very stable with a good signal, WOLO has always come in good from here as it is on VHF 8. I also now get WSOC and WAXN from Charlotte, which were not coming in before. Plus i was able to get the NBC station out of Augusta too. I have 24 DT stations I can now receive from here.

By the way i picked the antenna up at RS a few years ago on clearence for $3 and put it in the shed till I got my HDTV 2 years ago.

2pm on 7/2 and still nothing from WLOS

With all the delays and time they've had you'd think they could have gotten it right this time.

enoree

Man, you're killing me. You've got all of this performance out of an antenna you picked up on clearance for $3? The secret must be the 30ft height, something I won't be able to get easily without some serious work (although, I'm considering it). I got my 42XG today...unhappy with the fact that the balun box, which feeds to the coax, is cut and damaged upon arrival. Obviously, they've sent me a returned unit. Err... I'm happy with the performance differences I've seen so far, but I've still got some tweaking to do. A whole lot of trees around my lot, so 30ft would make a HUGE difference...I'm at 15ft right now. The only Charlotte station I can get right now is WBTV.

I think it also helps me not to have the urban areas close by, to possibly cause reception problems with taller buildings and such, also I think being farther away from the mountains might help with line of sight issues.

7:30pm 7/3 and still no WLOS. I went to my parents house and hoped to find it on air when I returned. Oh well, I guess we just have to sit and wait.

Imagine the uproar if they did the same thing with an upgrade to the analog transmitter.

Imagine the uproar if they did the same thing with an upgrade to the analog transmitter.
All you have to do is notice all the missed switches to HD, the sloppy timing, the off-air periods, lack of attention to audio levels and signal quality, and it is clear that the broadcasters, for the most part, couldn't care less about DTV, and are only doing it because the Government mandated it.

With this in mind, do you expect a broadcast company, ESPECIALLY Sinclair, to pay the overtime rates it would take to keep the installation team on-site over a holiday weekend? Yeah - - RIGHT!!

rchalk

I agree, totally. I haven't read the latest polls, but I think less than 5% of total viewers even own equipment capable of receiving the DTV signals. So why would they fret getting the transmitters back on the air during the holiday weekend? 5% doesn't do a whole lot for the owners. I think the bigger markets do more for their viewers since there are more viewers in their areas with those interests AND more "rich" folks buying HDTVs. I'm not rich by any means, I just have an interest in new technology. Unforutnately, with still expensive prices, there aren't a lot of us right now. The FCC knows this, so they're just trying to get things in place so the transition goes smoothly and the final "kinks" are worked out before-hand.

What is the current record times with the Moxi for SD and HDTV? I'd like to get it for HDTV, but I can't see giving up the 180hour tivo?

Anyone have any up-to-date inside info on what's taking WLOS so long?

The FCC should force them to rearrange their call letters to SLOW.

(Cue the Jeopardy theme song)...

Well, if there is any positive in this whole fiasco, it is that it has really made me appreciate my HDTV. Watching regular analog WLOS OTA this week was like watching a really bad quality VHS tape :(

What is the current record times with the Moxi for SD and HDTV? I'd like to get it for HDTV, but I can't see giving up the 180hour tivo?Since it just writes the digital stream and doesn't recompress, the time varies. Digeo's site says up to 11 hours HD, 21 hours SD/analog, and 51 hours SD/digital. Of course, "up to" means "don't expect it to be that much", but that's somewhere in the ballpark. I really only timeshift HD material, and I seem to remember the capacity being closer to 8 hours, but it's been a while since I filled it up, so I can't say for sure.

Thanks Adam. When you say "Digeo's site" can you provide a URL?

Although I want HD recording, I'm afraid that I will not have enough time since the wife is use to having 180 hours. Maybe I could have both connected.

crgnjul

Just to add to the conversation, I assume you have the 180hr regular TiVo, and not a DirecTivo, right? Sure, I would say you could have them both connected. If you're worried about signal loss, you can get a Channel Master Distrobution Amp from Lowe's for about $40 at Lowe's. That way, you won't lose anything with a splitter. I have one on my HD antenna, and it works great...virtually no signal loss. Just figured I'd run it by... Also, I see you're in Greer. I live about 6mi north of Greer up Hwy 290. Do you have a digital OTA setup? If so, what are you using and what kind of performance or you getting?

Thanks dashaund. I have a regular Tivo series 2 on that TV. Although from the time I posted my question until now, I've called Charter to get pricing info. It will cost me $6.99 for HD, and $16.94 for the Moxi. So after taxes, an extra $25 a month. I just don't see it being worth it yet. The only channel they offer that I really want is ESPN. When they add ESPN2, TNT, Fox and ABC, I'll be more apt to pay the extra money. As it is now, I get all the local channels OTA (except for ABC while they are down, but I did get them when they were broadcasting) I'll just continue watching HDTV live for now.

Thanks Adam. When you say "Digeo's site" can you provide a URL?Sure, it's http://www.digeo.com/prodserv/moxi_dvr.jsp

Although I want HD recording, I'm afraid that I will not have enough time since the wife is use to having 180 hours. Maybe I could have both connected.That's definitely an option, but it depends on how much you're willing to spend to timeshift HD material. I use the Moxi primarily to grab movies that come on when I'm asleep or at work, so it's worth it to me.

When asked if they have an ETA for being back up, here is the reply.


"No. It's an encoder problem that the mfg. has never encountered."


It looks like we will be waiting for a while.

When asked if they have an ETA for being back up, here is the reply.


"No. It's an encoder problem that the mfg. has never encountered."


It looks like we will be waiting for a while.

Thanks for the update.

When asked if they have an ETA for being back up, here is the reply.


"No. It's an encoder problem that the mfg. has never encountered."


It looks like we will be waiting for a while.
Now, if these guys bought from anyone reputable, they would have a replacement by now. Since when is a problem the manufacturer has never seen become the station's problem? Once again, if this were their Analog, this would not be tolerated. When will they start giving a S*** about DTV???

Maybe we can get WYFF to run a news segment on "Buyer Beware" on how some stations (WLOS) are ripping customers off by not providing the advertisement slots that they paid for since they are not broadcasting to their HDTV customers. If I were paying for advertisement I would not be happy that my potentially higher income bracket customers were not watching my commercials because they can not watch this station in HD. I know that the commercials are not recorded in HD but most people will just skip over this channel and watch someting else instead of watching it in SD.

The difference between WLOS and WOLO in Columbia is like night and day as far as DT is concerned. WOLO's chief engineer monitors the AVS forums and truly cares about the quality of their product ,where WLOS doesn't give a rip for the viewer. Which I think is the whole attitude at Sinclair Broadcasting group.

Anyone have any up-to-date inside info on what's taking WLOS so long?

The FCC should force them to rearrange their call letters to SLOW.

(Cue the Jeopardy theme song)...

:D excellent post

I totally agree with everyone on the WLOS deal. They just don't seem to care at all. Heck, we're one of the top 40 biggest markets in the US! I'm idolizing WHNS right now. Yes, they were the last to come on, but I haven't seen any problems once they go rolling, and they have the best PQ of any other station. WSPA was the first, and they've had a continuous problem with audio sync. WYFF has been very solid, yes, but WHNS has been awesome. Heck, PBS is doing better than WLOS! Come on, guys, let's go!

crgnjul

I agree, that's expensive. While you may not want to change provides, I love D*! More bang for buck, and you don't have to deal with Charter's crappy customer service! They have an awesome deal right now for new subscribers.

Dashaund - I've looked at DirecTV, but to get HD PVR with them, it's much more expensive. The HD Tivo is still $699. Although you get a 250GB HD that's a lot of cash, particularly when I've already got 3 series 2 Tivos's at home (2 with lifetime). Another issue for me is that I can't get DSL where I am (2 blocks off Wade Hampton between Subar Rd and Lowes) so I have to use Cable for Internet. Going with DirecTV for TV and Charter for Internet just gets way expensive.

On another note why does everyone use "D*"? Does that stand for "DirecTV", "Dish Network" or simply "a Dish provider"?

I use Charter Cable for Internet but have DirecTV for my viewing needs. Yeah, I hate to pay Charter $50/mth for such crappy service, but it's my only option for high speed Internet since I too am in the DSL black hole. :(

But, I just can't see getting HD through DirecTV....they only have five channels (not counting premium channels that I don't watch)! As a diehard Tivo user, it's just too much money for equipment for very little return on my viewing experience.

Question about the channel linup for OTA HD - I setup a TV5 last night (don't laugh) and now receive all of the local OTA HD channels (only have to make a slight adjustment to get 62.1, all others come in off one position of the TV5 sitting on top of my TV in my living room...hooray!). But I get 25.1-25.5 on those channels, not the mapped 33.1-33.5 as indicated in the post by Jerry. Can anyone else confirm this? All the other channels as listed being mapped are what I see except this one set.

When asked if they have an ETA for being back up, here is the reply.


"No. It's an encoder problem that the mfg. has never encountered."


It looks like we will be waiting for a while.

What is the email address that you send your questions to?

What is the email address that you send your questions to?Presumably comments@wlos.com , as listed at http://www.wlos.com/feedback/feedback1.htm

Quote:
Originally Posted by Apps1
When asked if they have an ETA for being back up, here is the reply.


"No. It's an encoder problem that the mfg. has never encountered."


It looks like we will be waiting for a while.



This is why "You don't wait until the last minute". This type of thing is what changes peoples viewing habits away from watching them(WLOS). If I where a local advertiser I wouldn't pay much at all to advertise at WLOS.

CW

I'm about fed up with WLOS too... I've been waiting patiently since I got my HDTV for ABC in HD and now after a month delay already they still can't get it right. I think the FCC should start handing out hefty fines for missed deadlines like this... maybe THAT would get their rears in gear! One of those nice sizeable finds for every day they missed the deadline.

I think from my location I COULD pick up WSOC from Charlotte, but my current antenna setup is a holdover from my old pre-local channel satellite days. The router quit working from non-use and I've never had it repaired, since it conveniently died in exactly the right place to pick up WYFF, WHNS, WSPA and WLOS, if they'd ever get their act together.

According to CheckHD's map if I could point it in the other direction I should be able to pick up all the Charlotte locals. Does anyone here have one of the routers with the digital compass controller? How reliable do they work?

Does anyone here have one of the routers with the digital compass controller? How reliable do they work?

The CM 9521 does a good job. It requires re-syncing fairly often but it's not a big deal to do that. I've had one up (rotating quite a load) for a couple of years now.
It's remote controlled from your lazy boy as well which is a plus and is available at Lowe's.

Here's a pic:

Sorry, that doesn't show the rotator very well. Here's another one:

Man, cpcat, that's QUITE a setup. I assume you have very little problems picking up your local stations? LOL.

Someone told me that WLOS-DT was up and running this morning. Can anyone confirm this? I am at work and won't be able to check until this afternoon.

Someone told me that WLOS-DT was up and running this morning. Can anyone confirm this? I am at work and won't be able to check until this afternoon.

Still DOA at 12:15pm.

I guess they were wrong. Thanks for checking.

this is beyond anything I've ever seen...is WLOS for real?

this is beyond anything I've ever seen...is WLOS for real?


It is pretty pathetic. How long could it take to get a new encoder? I do love the fact that they still show their call letters as WLOS/DT. Talk about false advertising. They will probably try to turn this into another six month extension.

It's just more proof that, from top to bottom, Sinclair is a Mickey Mouse organization. They'd rather do more grandstanding (the Nightline fiasco, "editorials" during newscasts, HD cable holdouts) than groundwork when it comes to building a respectable media enterprise.

They're getting showed up by FOX, for crying out loud. "Pathetic" doesn't even begin to describe...

I can't get a response from them when I ask about when they will be broadcasting again. Has anyone heard anything from the company lately?

I sent Jim Carrier a request for a status report yesterday, but no answer yet.

To what address do you contact this Jim Carrier??

At 5:15pm WHNS-DT is off the air. I hope they get it back up before the game tonight, or my HD All-Star game party is going to be seriously lacking. :eek:

At 5:15pm WHNS-DT is off the air. I hope they get it back up before the game tonight, or my HD All-Star game party is going to be seriously lacking. :eek:

I hear they took a lightning strike this afternoon.

Not sure if this is good news or bad news, but WLOS is doing fine right now, 7:27pm EST, however I've completely lost WHNS FOX, which I previously received at 100%. Any coincidence, or perhaps that lightening strike took out FOX instead?

Forget my comment about WHNS, I stuck my head up my rear. What do you expect from a first time poster :D

WLOS comes up, WHNS goes down... we can't win for losing.

If it'll ever quit raining I'm getting that router repaired... THEN I should be able to pick up the Charlotte area stations

I don't know how consistent it will be over time, but for now I have a stable signal from WLOS. It's a little weaker on my meter than WUNF. I get WUNF consistently probably 60 percent of the time, so I'll be happy for the same from WLOS.

Any information on when WHNS is gonna be back online? sucks tryin to watch the allstar game on regular channels =(

Thank goodness for my rotor and pre-amp, the game looks great on WCCB-DT FOX Charlotte.

Any information on when WHNS is gonna be back online? sucks tryin to watch the allstar game on regular channels =(

I don't have any current info, but the last I heard it may be a day or two. Lightning got them.

FWIW, now that WLOS DT is up, I am getting a solid signal, no drop outs over the last hour, at about 55%, in Kingsport, Tennessee...

WLOS-DT is running 100% tonight. In the past it was 66-77 percent; WUNF (on the same tower) is 92%.

WHNS-DT is up wee

I don't get it... I'm WELL within range but I still can't get WLOS.... I get all the others just fine and before the massive downtimes I could get WLOS if the wind was "blowing in the right direction"..

Now I can't get anything from them though... I do have a Samsung TV with a built in tuner... wasn't there some one here who had an issue w/ WLOS & Samsung STB's a while back?

I didn't think to check for WLOS-DT tonight while watching the baseball game, but went back just now and sure enough, there it is. Woohoo! :D

Right now it looks very solid from here, maxing out my meter at 10, over about a 20-25 degree range in antenna position so the actual max is a bit higher. WUNF-DT maxes out at about 6-7. But I'm not breaking out the champagne just yet, because my reception usually improves all over the dial late at night, and tonight it's even better than usual. I'll wait till I see how it looks during the day and evening the next couple of days.

I don't get it... I'm WELL within range but I still can't get WLOS.... I get all the others just fine and before the massive downtimes I could get WLOS if the wind was "blowing in the right direction"..

Now I can't get anything from them though... I do have a Samsung TV with a built in tuner... wasn't there some one here who had an issue w/ WLOS & Samsung STB's a while back?

Have you tried rescanning for channels?

Have you tried rescanning for channels?

Yes, three different times since the first post that it was back showed up yesterday. The last scan was five minutes ago... still nothing. I get the old analog channel, but no digital.

I also get the digital UNC-TV stations airing from the same site at virtually full signal strength. WUNF 33 has always come in perfectly... it was the first HD channel I ever picked up

If you can get analog WUNF 33 well (little or no snow or ghosting) and assuming you have a wide-band uhf antenna it could be a PSIP issue. This certainly can be a problem with some tuners and as they're (WLOS) just back up they may still be working things out.

Did you try tuning directly to channel 56?

I tried tuning directly to channel 56 last night but I couldn't get anything. The signal bounced from 0 to 49 to 56% but it never stayed anywhere long enough to lock. Maybe they are just up and running but still haven't done their full power switch.

I am getting WLOS-DT now as well, however the SS is no better than before. My guess is that they are not at full power.

I don't get it... I'm WELL within range but I still can't get WLOS.... I get all the others just fine and before the massive downtimes I could get WLOS if the wind was "blowing in the right direction"..

Now I can't get anything from them though... I do have a Samsung TV with a built in tuner... wasn't there some one here who had an issue w/ WLOS & Samsung STB's a while back?


The Samsung issue was with 720p HD programming, not reception. What type antenna and pre-amp are you using?

Are there any of the new 5th gen receivers out yet that help eliminate the multipath issues?

RE 5th Generation receivers:

L/G has a 5th Generation receiver out, but I forget the model. Their customer service is quick to send info.
Also, note the below from Wayne Estabrooks, UNCTV-- (He's one of the most experienced professionals in DT):
Jerry, I would not expect the 5th generation LG / Zenith chip to make much headway against severe electrical interference. I have seen it in operation and it does wonders with multipath interference. Unfortunately ther is some politics going on that has delayed the introduction of 5th generation chipsets in set top boxes.

If you want a receiver with 5th gen chipset, you can get them from copperbox.com

They have an interesting DTV receiver that plugs into a USB port on your computer.

Problem solved:
For sometime I have attributed occasional loss of DT signal strength to rain and fog...especially wet trees. But the experts said UHF frequencies were not subject to rain fade. At the same time, analog "sparklies" would show up and I had the power company checking the area for the cause. This week, I discovered the source!
We have a bear problem in this area, and I used a high voltage "pet fence" around the bird feeders. During wet weather the fence would arc to plants and across insulators. Turning off the fence solved the problems, 100%.
I have been too quick to blame DT problems on multi-path and weather. (I have not ruled out co-channel interference for Channel 9).

I am getting WLOS-DT now as well, however the SS is no better than before. My guess is that they are not at full power.

I'm in agreement with that... I finally got my TV to lock in & map WLOS this morning but it's the same weak signal I used to be able to get from time to time.

Either they haven't upped their power fully or they're still putting out a very directional signal.

Just checked and we are getting WLOS-DT. On our sony Sat-hd300 the signal meter is almost 100%. On our samsung SIR-360 the signal meter is showing 43%. The samsung as always been incorrect on its signal meter. It is currently 2:38 pm EST

CW

RE 5th Generation receivers:

L/G has a 5th Generation receiver out, but I forget the model. Their customer service is quick to send info.
Also, note the below from Wayne Estabrooks, UNCTV-- (He's one of the most experienced professionals in DT):

Thanks Jerry!

WLOS-DT is still producing a nice strong signal here... when it's running. I set my DVR to run this afternoon, hoping to capture the space shuttle launch (which was scrubbed, of course), and the recording shows the signal going out for several minutes a few times between 3 and 5 pm. Then while I was watching local news, it went out again around 5:10 for at least a half hour. It's on again right now.

Now that WLOS is back up, the Samsung 360 problem is back. Is it too much to ask for WLOS to figure out how to fix this too? ;)

RE 5th Generation receivers:

L/G has a 5th Generation receiver out, but I forget the model. Their customer service is quick to send info.
Also, note the below from Wayne Estabrooks, UNCTV-- (He's one of the most experienced professionals in DT):

As far as I know, LG is only putting these in their HDTV's at this point and has no plans to put it in a STB. The 4200a is their latest STB and is 4th gen.

MAXHD reviewed one of the LG sets awhile back and wasn't impressed at least with the long distance performance. Close in with multipath (i.e. urban, mountainous) might be a different matter, though, as this was the primary goal of the new chip.

I'm still not able to pickup WLOS...but luckily when I ran the scan it snagged the Charlotte stations! And I only have a TV5 sitting on top of my TV! I'm in Moore, SC.

has anyone even confirmed that the new transmitter is up or maybe they have put the old one back online?

WLOS has not responded to my messages regarding their DT status, but judging from the 100% signal I am receiving there must have been a significant increase in power. The new antenna boosted me to 88%. (I am behind a ridge blocking line of site to Pisgah, and have never received an viewable analog signal. Digital is a great improvement!)

I finally have WLOS again. I haven't had them since they had changed something with their signal in December.

Mike

I finally have WLOS again. I haven't had them since they had changed something with their signal in December.

Mike
What is your signal strength and stability?

has anyone even confirmed that the new transmitter is up or maybe they have put the old one back online?

Obviously they are still working on WLOS-DT for they are off the air again at 9:50 a.m.

WLOS has not responded to my messages regarding their DT status, but judging from the 100% signal I am receiving there must have been a significant increase in power. The new antenna boosted me to 88%. (I am behind a ridge blocking line of site to Pisgah, and have never received an viewable analog signal. Digital is a great improvement!)

Thats funny that you say that because I can get an almost perfect analog signal from WLOS but never more than a 49% DT signal (which is not enough to even lock the channel).

Jerry,

Last night I was 90 and solid. Last fall I would be 40-60 and have drop outs.

Mike

This is with an old amplified indoor antenna.

I found that I could get WLOS last night for the first time since December as well. I could get a signal in the 70s on my ancient DTC-100. I was also surprised to find a rotor setting for my antenna that allowed me to get WLOS, WYFF, WSPA, WHNS, and both PBS channels without having to adjust the rotor. When I used to be able to get WLOS, I had to move the rotor to a position that didn't allow me to get the others.

If WLOS has upped their power they still must be putting out a VERY directional signal because I can't get it to bat an eye... I can get the signal to lock and map, but it breaks up to the point it isn't watchable.

I get WUNF perfectly however....

I live in Greene County, TN and have watched 13 for years. I have never been able to get WLOS DT even when I can get WUNF DT. This has been the case for months and continues to be the case today. On a good reception day, my receiver will attempt to lock, but has never been successful. They are clearly not at full power.

If WLOS has upped their power they still must be putting out a VERY directional signal because I can't get it to bat an eye... I can get the signal to lock and map, but it breaks up to the point it isn't watchable.

I get WUNF perfectly however....

What area are you located?

If WLOS has upped their power they still must be putting out a VERY directional signal because I can't get it to bat an eye... I can get the signal to lock and map, but it breaks up to the point it isn't watchable.

That sounds like a multipath problem. WYFF's raw signal is strong here, as far as I can tell, but my reception breaks up frequently and is very sensitive to antenna orientation.

I get WUNF perfectly however....

Hmmm... the FCC's relative field polar plot for WLOS's digital construction permit (for the full power transmitter) shows an almost uniform radiation pattern, whereas WUNF's pattern is strongly skewed towards the west (I assume 0 degrees is north).

Maybe WLOS produces a stronger reflection off something to the east of the transmitter, than WUNF does, and it's causing multipath problems for you?

That sounds like a multipath problem. WYFF's raw signal is strong here, as far as I can tell, but my reception breaks up frequently and is very sensitive to antenna orientation.



Hmmm... the FCC's relative field polar plot for WLOS's digital construction permit (for the full power transmitter) shows an almost uniform radiation pattern, whereas WUNF's pattern is strongly skewed towards the west (I assume 0 degrees is north).

Maybe WLOS produces a stronger reflection off something to the east of the transmitter, than WUNF does, and it's causing multipath problems for you?

No I don't think it is multipath... By going to the digital channel # on my tv at the right time I could get it to map 13-1 & 13-2, but I've never gotten an actual picture on either of them. Occasionally if the wind is blowing the right way I can pick it up for a second or so, but then the signal disappears all together.

It's the exact same result I was getting before they went "off the air" for their power upgrade.

Re WLOS-DT
Be assured the local staff is doing all it can to deliver a stable Megawatt of DT power, but it seems it will take more time than expected. I suggest you don't make receiver or antenna adjustments at this time. You will receive notice on this forum when the station has achieved its authorized power.

For anyone who's interested, Charter added an HD PPV channel at 799 for the Hopkins/Taylor fight on Saturday night.

Adam, looks like I've got an identical setup (Moxi, 2nd digital box, all premium channels, HD tier, plus whatever other SD tiers came with it, 3Mb internet) and my bill is $127. Still too high, but lower than all other TV/Net packages available here. Time you did some hard negotiating. ;)Took me long enough to get around to doing it, but I called this afternoon, and I'm getting the same package you are now (mine only lasts through 3/06, but still...).

Any update on if Charter is going to have the rest of the locals in HDTV in time for the fall lineup/football season?

If I had to put money on it, I'd bank on Fox being the next local added.

ABC seems unlikely given Sinclair's hostility towards cable carriage, and although they don't own the local WB affiliate, they do operate it, and that may leave that unlikely to wind up on Charter's HD line-up anytime soon. The UPN affiliate here is supposed to go HD before the end of the month, but with as little HD content as UPN has at the moment, that might not be too high on Charter's list of priorities.

I wish they'd add FOX before Football season begins. I'd love to have ABC too, but as you say we're talking Sinclair here so I'm not holding my breath on that one.

I wouldn't mind seeing them add ESPNU (in SD) or ESPN2-HD either

I live in Franklin, NC, and was wondering what was the farthest NW of Greenville, that anyone is able to receive OTA HD signals.

I live in Franklin, NC, and was wondering what was the farthest NW of Greenville, that anyone is able to receive OTA HD signals.

Mountains and valleys will play a major role in receiving DT signals in your area. The PBS rep for that area became quite an expert in DT reception in WNC, but he has retired. You might send an inquiry by email to - Wayne Estabrooks
E-mail Address(es):
westabrooks@unctv.org

For the past week, I have had flawless reception of WLOS-DT. However, yesterday (Tuesday) afternoon, I completely lost the signal. My initial reaction is that this is not a multipath issue, since the signal would probably fluctuate but never lock. In this case, I have no signal whatsoever.

Before I go tinkering around with my antenna, I though I would check to see if anyone else noticed a loss or degradation of WLOS's signal.

Thank you in advance for your reply.

For the past week, I have had flawless reception of WLOS-DT. However, yesterday (Tuesday) afternoon, I completely lost the signal. x x x
Before I go tinkering around with my antenna, I though I would check to see if anyone else noticed a loss or degradation of WLOS's signal.

Thank you in advance for your reply.
WLOS continues to work on its DT transmitter. I, too, have no signal after a week of solid 100%. But this work was anticipated and we should get confirmation when they think they have acheived stability.

WLOS continues to work on its DT transmitter. I, too, have no signal after a week of solid 100%. But this work was anticipated and we should get confirmation when they think they have acheived stability.


No signal here either for at least a day or so.

No signal here either for at least a day or so.
Evidently I started fussing too quickly. As of this afternoon, WLOS-DT now appears to be back up.

WLOS continues to work on its DT transmitter. I, too, have no signal after a week of solid 100%. But this work was anticipated and we should get confirmation when they think they have acheived stability.


What does stability mean? Has WLOS ever been operating at 1,000,000 watts at any brief point or much lower? I have never been able to lock on the signal when I have gotten WUNF DT 25 and the WLOS DT 56 contour is actually larger than WLOS TV 13 contour.

What does stability mean? Has WLOS ever been operating at 1,000,000 watts at any brief point or much lower? I have never been able to lock on the signal when I have gotten WUNF DT 25 and the WLOS DT 56 contour is actually larger than WLOS TV 13 contour.
The newly installed transmitter has not functioned according to specifications, and has not performed at full power. At this time, I am not sure if its return to service this week means all problems have been solved.

I noticed on the FCC website that WLOS has filed for an extension for Special Temporary Authority dated 7-21-2005 which was yesterday. It would appear that could be a long wait.

I noticed on the FCC website that WLOS has filed for an extension for Special Temporary Authority dated 7-21-2005 which was yesterday. It would appear that could be a long wait.
WLOS withheld local comments pending the FCC filing. We may get more information soon.

Wonderful.

Now they can wait til the last minute on this new extension and file for another one after that, too!

I'm trying not to be too cynical, but at this point you have to wonder if they're even trying up there. Very sad.

I'm getting WLOS-DT for the first time tonight here in Lenoir. Signal level is about the same as WSPA-DT. Hopefully this is a good sign. I don't care for the gray sidebars. None of the Charlotte stations use them.

I've had WLOS since last nite with a set-top antenna here in Central, SC. Signal strength is between 50-70% with few dropouts.

Latest response for update.



"I should have said equalizer instead of encoder. They're still working
on it. I really don't think anyone is going to notice much difference
in signal level when we raise the power, it's less than 2dB below max
now. What I believe will make a difference to some receivers is getting
the equalizer problem corrected.

14-1 was supposed to be up about three weeks ago but has been delayed
because of the problems at WLOS.

I may have a firm date later this week for both of them."

http://www.hdsportsguide.com/cfb.php

Let's bottom-line this thing. Will the Death Star be fully operational in time for FSU vs. Miami on 9/5?

http://www.hdsportsguide.com/cfb.php

Let's bottom-line this thing. Will the Death Star be fully operational in time for FSU vs. Miami on 9/5?

I'll take WLOS +25. :)

Just got home from my vacation and I can now pick up WLOS but I only get 2-3 bars, much lower than my WUNF signal. Maybe it'll improve when they fix their remaining problems.

WLOS-DT is so close to Maximum power that I don't think you will see a difference there.
However, a few receivers are not yet liking what they see from WLOS and they are working on that problem. Most receivers are seeing quite an improvement in the increased power.

Hi guys,

I just installed my Channel Master 4228 on a rotator with a 7777 preamp. I'm just south of Asheville.

I am able to get solid signals on WSPA, WLOS, WYFF, WUNF and WASV

WHNS is pretty weak for me though, can't seem to pick it up. Is this happening to everyone today or is it just me?

I think I read somewhere here that some towers send stronger signals during prime time hours. Does any of that relate to us?

Anybody in the Asheville area have any luck picking up WBSC?

I don't think any of the towers increase their power for prime time. However, the signals are effected by atmospheric conditions, and sometimes you will get a better picture after dark due to this reason.

I don't think any of the towers increase their power for prime time. However, the signals are effected by atmospheric conditions, and sometimes you will get a better picture after dark due to this reason.


Thanks for the reply

I'm interesting in seeing if anybody else is getting a weak signal on WHNS today. This channel is a must for me during football season, more tweaking may be needed.

Let's bottom-line this thing. Will the Death Star be fully operational in time for FSU vs. Miami on 9/5?

Good one. May the Schwartz be with them. :)

Thanks for the reply

I'm interesting in seeing if anybody else is getting a weak signal on WHNS today. This channel is a must for me during football season, more tweaking may be needed.

WHNS is coming in at 100% SS for me.

WHNS-DT is running some 10-15% below normal today, especially now when there is a rather intense rain between me and the tower.

Hurray! I have recently noticed that the infamous WLOS / Samsung 360 720 p problem is now fixed. What a wonderful surprise. Anybody know what finally caused this to happen? I am now very satisfied with WLOS' product on 13-1.

I have been able to lock on WLOS DT for the first time, but getting a viewable picture is rare even when WUNF has a good signal. WLOS has half of the WUNF signal strength. The service contour of WLOS DT is supposed to be significantly larger than WUNF and a bit larger than WLOS analog 13. I hope the remaining adjustments will make this the case. In the Tri-Cities, TN market WJHL is operating on DT 58 with very good coverage that exceeds WCYB DT 28 and WKPT DT 27. WCYB and WKPT are operating at similar power as WUNF. I discussed some of the limitations of reception of WUNF DT with Frank Davis, engineer with UNC TV and in that discussion he said I would have no problem getting WLOS DT with it's higher elevation on the tower and higher broadcast power.
These signal contours seem to usually be accurate unless a bad choice of antennas is made or a transmitter issue.


I have a Zenith SAT 520 receiver. Is this one of the models that WLOS is having issues with?

Hurray! I have recently noticed that the infamous WLOS / Samsung 360 720 p problem is now fixed. What a wonderful surprise. Anybody know what finally caused this to happen? I am now very satisfied with WLOS' product on 13-1.


My guess would be the new encoder they installed solved the problem.

I am curious of what others think of this. They were there when I was flipping through channels this afternoon. I sent an e-mail to find out is this is a temporary change. The gray panels are bad enough but the bright blue is very distracting.


UPDATE: They have these bars up at least for now. Everyone please give their opinions.

I was able to contact Jim Carrier of WLOS. He said WLOS DT had a significant null in the direction of Greene County, TN. The polar plot of WLOS shows a directional antenna shooting the signal in six directions and six null spots in the signal pattern. One of these nulls appears to be in the direction of Greenville, SC. which is surprising. Clearly, WLOS is not going to be able to replicate their analog contour with this current antenna.
He mentioned that the equalizer may improve performance a bit and that they are 2 dB below 1,000,000 watts. I do not know what power level 2dB below 1,000,000 watts would be.

One of these nulls appears to be in the direction of Greenville, SC. which is surprising.

Um, I'm not sure if I understood this bit. Is this something that they're fine with or are they going to correct this?

I'd think they might be a bit concerned about broadcasting a weaker signal in the direction of the largest city in their entire viewing area. Seems kind of dumb.

Anyone notice the new sidebars on WYFF-DT? A blue bar with a pattern in it and WYFF-DT, I think it looks much better.

Um, I'm not sure if I understood this bit. Is this something that they're fine with or are they going to correct this?

I'd think they might be a bit concerned about broadcasting a weaker signal in the direction of the largest city in their entire viewing area. Seems kind of dumb.


I suppose they think the terrain problems are less in the direction of Greenville, SC since they are so high on Mt. Pisgah. I am puzzled why they would have chosen this six direction antenna anyway. Maybe this type of antenna simply costs less and Sinclair wants to save it's money for the VHF DT antenna when they return to Ch. 13. You can look at the WLOS DT Polar Plot on the FCC website and see if you think one of the null spots is in your direction.

I do not know what power level 2dB below 1,000,000 watts would be.

Each 3 dB jump equates to either half power or 2 twice power, depending on which way you are going. If a station is 1 million watts and there is a 2 dB signal null in a certain area, the power in that direction is about 650,000 watts.

If WLOS says they are 2 dB lower than 1,000,000 watts, then the maximum signal that a viewer in any direction could expect at this moment would be 650,000 watts or significantly less if in a direction of one of the nulls in the signal pattern.

I am still not picking up WLOS in Clemson. I am using the RCA D* HD receiver for my OTA reception along with the Square Shooter SS2000 (amplified version) antenna. I can get WYFF, WHNS, and WSPA at 90%. I guess I am in one of the "null" areas or my RCA receiver does not like the equalizer problem. It has been suggested that this equalizer problem has be resolved, do we know for sure that this is the case?

ONSLOWTN.... do you have a link for the FCC web address so I can check out the signal pattern and see if there is in fact a null in my direction.

Thanks,

SCG32

scg32,

I live in Central right off 93. I can get WLOS pretty stable with my ZHDTV1 Set-top antenna. It comes in at about 50-55 %.

I agree...I do like the blue sidebars on WYFF!

You can go to the FCC website, fcc.gov and click on Search and then click on TV Query. At TV Query you can simply fill in the call letters WLOS and on the WLOS page you can scroll down to WLOS DT 56 and click on "relative field polar plot" and this should show you their signal pattern.

I agree...I do like the blue sidebars on WYFF!

I guess the blue side bars are not too big of a deal to most viewers. Other than my negative comments about the side bars there have been only two other comments and they were positive. I guess I will just switch the majority of my SD viewing to WSPA because they are the only ones for now that do not have the side bars.

I honestly can't say if paid the blue bars any attention. I guess that is a good thing.

I can't say I've watched a full show on WYFF-DT in the last couple of days, but I've certainly been surfing through and not noticed it.

onslowtn,

Thanks for the info on the FCC website. I reviewed the signal pattern as well as the "service contour map". I assume this is the service area when they are at 100%. Which they are not at this time, but it sounds like others in my area are able to receive the signal... very frustrating!

josh7308,

Thanks for your input. If you are able to receive a stable signal with a set top antenna, I don't understand what my problem is. Maybe my RCA DTC210 receiver does not like the equalizer problem? Anyone else using this receiver and/or the Square Shooter SS2000 antenna?

FWIW, I also like the sidebars on WYFF.

scg32

I am still not picking up WLOS in Clemson. I am using the RCA D* HD receiver for my OTA reception along with the Square Shooter SS2000 (amplified version) antenna. I can get WYFF, WHNS, and WSPA at 90%. I guess I am in one of the "null" areas or my RCA receiver does not like the equalizer problem. It has been suggested that this equalizer problem has be resolved, do we know for sure that this is the case?

ONSLOWTN.... do you have a link for the FCC web address so I can check out the signal pattern and see if there is in fact a null in my direction.

Thanks,

SCG32

It's almost an omnidirectional pattern and really shouldn't have any significant nulls. Last I heard they were at around 650kw and will eventually increase to 1000kw which might help some people. I'm not sure what the repair of the "equalization" problem will do but I can tell you it's significantly weaker here than WUNF with WUNF being at lower power. WUNF-DT is on the same tower and at about the same height. There could be some frequency-related coverage difference though, with lower frequency tending to cover a little more.

Here's the radiation pattern: http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/polarplot?temp=29988&rotate=0.00&p0=1.000&p10=0.979&p20=0.939&p30=0.921&p40=0.939&p50=0.979&p60=1.000&p70=0.979&p80=0.939&p90=0.921&p100=0.939&p110=0.979&p120=1.000&p130=0.979&p140=0.939&p150=0.921&p160=0.939&p170=0.979&p180=1.000&p190=0.979&p200=0.939&p210=0.921&p220=0.939&p230=0.979&p240=1.000&p250=0.979&p260=0.939&p270=0.921&p280=0.939&p290=0.979&p300=1.000&p310=0.979&p320=0.939&p330=0.921&p340=0.939&p350=0.979&p360=1.000&

I live in Easley off of 93 and I can't get WLOS. I have a Channel Master 4228 which picks up everything else in the area but I never get over 49% signal on WLOS DT 56 so I can't lock it in. I have tried all directions and several mounting locations around my house but no luck.

I live about halfway between Clemson and Seneca, with a RS yagi style attenna and Hughes box, and I've never been able to get WLOS. I keep hoping when the leaves come off it will come in so I can watch MNF!

MNF will be covered by ESPN this year.

Well, I actually get WLOS much better now that before and in fact I tend to get a more stable signal with WLOS than I do with WYFF or WSPA. So I am quite happy with the new antenna and power level.

If the broadcast waves are anything like audio waves, there will not be a tremendous boost when power is increase from 650k to 1000k. Every 3dB effectively doubles the energy, but at least with sound, doubling the energy isn't even noticable. Therefore I suspect there will not be any tremendous gains with the 2dB increase they might eventually have.

MNF will be covered by ESPN this year.

MNF will still be on ABC this year. The change you are referring to will take place for the 2006 season.

oops, my bad, you're right.

The first monday night (preseason) game I'll get to catch is 8-15, and it' on ESPN. Threw me off.

A reminder to those of you using a pre-amp, the new power for many stations may overload it, especially the older models. If you are having problems now that did not exist before, either pad down the antenna or remove the pre-amp as a possible cure for problems.

Lynesjc: As a starter, review the recommendations at this website:
http://www.antennaweb.org/aw/welcome.asp
Note carefully the antenna orientation for your address. Probably the strongest UHF antenna is the Channel Master 8 bay bow-tie design, selling on the web for about $55. It probably will be an over-kill for you. My choice would be the CM 4-bay, excellent gain and very small so it is easily installed in an attic or somewhere on the roof (best). It costs less than $30 on the web. Installers are getting hard to find. Probably you will get a suggestion from someone closer to your area.

Good Luck.

Well, I'm finally taking the plunge. My D* hdtivo will be installed this weekend.

Need to sort out my OTA. D* installers are supposedly bringing an antenna but I don't have a lot of confidence in their ability to correctly pick or install it.

Does anyone else in Simpsonville use the OTA that Jerry rec'd?

The funny thing is, that first night that WLOS came back up, I was able to lock the signal and actually watched for 10 - 15 minutes and then turned it off. The signal strength only measured 50 - 60%, but I did not have any dropouts. I assumed the increased power had solved the problem. However, I have not been able to lock the signal for more than a few minutes since then. Recently, I have not been able to lock the signal at all. Was that first night just a fluke or was something different?

scg32

The funny thing is, that first night that WLOS came back up, I was able to lock the signal and actually watched for 10 - 15 minutes and then turned it off. The signal strength only measured 50 - 60%, but I did not have any dropouts. I assumed the increased power had solved the problem. However, I have not been able to lock the signal for more than a few minutes since then. Recently, I have not been able to lock the signal at all. Was that first night just a fluke or was something different?

scg32

What model receiver do you have?

Well, I'm finally taking the plunge. My D* hdtivo will be installed this weekend.

Need to sort out my OTA. D* installers are supposedly bringing an antenna but I don't have a lot of confidence in their ability to correctly pick or install it.

Does anyone else in Simpsonville use the OTA that Jerry rec'd?

I have an extra CM 4 bay. If you want to give it a try send me a PM.

Apps1,

My receiver is a RCA DTC210. I am using it with a Square Shooter SS2000 antenna.

Thanks,

scg32

Apps1,

My receiver is a RCA DTC210. I am using it with a Square Shooter SS2000 antenna.

Thanks,

scg32

A few months ago I tried out the RCA DTC210 and was able to receive WLOS fine. The problem may be with your antenna set-up. Do you have a pre-amp?

Is anyone else having trouble getting PBS 29-1, 29-2, and 29-3 out of Greenville. I have been having problems for the last two days? My signal strength is fine but the picture freezes and has lots of blocking.

Apps1,

Yes, the Square Shooter SS-2000 has a built in 12dB amplifier. It's probably not the best reception antenna, however it is neighbor friendly... if you know what I mean. Using antennaweb.org and plotting my address, I have utilized a compass to assist with the position of the antenna.... no luck. I receive WYFF, WHNS, and WSPA at 90% with virtually no dropouts.

Thanks,

scg32

In Florida, I also have a Square Shooter for the same reasons. However, I went with the non amplified version (SS1000) and used the Channelmaster preamp (I don't recall the number, I think it is 7777). It works great, and I am about 50 miles from the digital antenna farm in Bithlo, FL. The CM preamp is cheap, you might try substituting it for the built in one.

The funny thing is, that first night that WLOS came back up, I was able to lock the signal and actually watched for 10 - 15 minutes and then turned it off. The signal strength only measured 50 - 60%, but I did not have any dropouts. I assumed the increased power had solved the problem. However, I have not been able to lock the signal for more than a few minutes since then. Recently, I have not been able to lock the signal at all. Was that first night just a fluke or was something different?

scg32

My experience here in Tennessee is much the same. I have other options in terms of getting ABC programming. People in South Carolina do not. It
is incredible that the transmitter performance is so bad in all areas at 650,000 watts.
How long does it take to solve an equalizer problem, 6 months?

For the past couple of weeks WYFF-DT (Channel 4) has been dropping out for me. It had been solid before that for about 6 months. All my other stations seem fine. The NASCAR race today from Indy was almost unwatchable, dropouts every 1-2 minutes for just a second and then back to picture.

I enjoyed reading this very long thread. I just found this place today searching for problems with WYFF.

Thanks,
Bobasaurus

Just curious Bobasaurus. What area are you located? Do you receive WLOS-DT?

WYFF DT 59 has a significantly smaller service contour than WYFF TV 4. I can get ch 4, but I have no chance of getting their high UHF channel. I wonder which channel WYFF will end up on as it's permanent home. I am afraid that they will not be able to replicate the large coverage area of ch. 4 on any UHF channel even at 1,000,00 watts.

Bobasaurus,

I've had the same problems as you ever since they added their damn sub-channel.
The weather did not help the situation any yesterday though.

Mike

I saw WASV's Engineering van drive by my house a couple of times yesterday -- maybe they're finally getting around to implementing the move to HD they said they'd have up by the end of last month.

I would like to know when WASV will be going full power. I hope they will multicast the WSPA 7 programming since some people will be able to access the WASV signal better in some locations in the mountains. WLOS is multicasting WBSC if you we can ever get their signal.

WYFF DT 59 has a significantly smaller service contour than WYFF TV 4. I can get ch 4, but I have no chance of getting their high UHF channel. I wonder which channel WYFF will end up on as it's permanent home. I am afraid that they will not be able to replicate the large coverage area of ch. 4 on any UHF channel even at 1,000,00 watts.

I am pretty sure that they are going to stay with 59 and give up 4. From what I understand the low VHF channels are not good for DT.

All channels above 51 are to be eliminated by the FCC after the transition and sold off for purposes other than TV. WYFF and all other stations above 51 have to go somewhere else. Some stations across the country have elected to return to Ch.3 and 4. A station in Charleston WV is going back to 4 inspite of the interference issues. Maybe the terrain issues outweighed the concerns over interference. WYFF has obvious terrain issues in this area as well. There has been talk that the FCC will allow stations remaining on low VHF channels to operate at higher power levels to negate the interference problems.

Every night that goes by, every MNF game that I miss, I will curse the wretched name of WLOS.

They have 4 weeks to get this thing nailed down before the Miami/FSU game. If they're not up by then, I'll be seriously pissed. And God forbid their foot-dragging lasts into the Fall TV season.

I wish there was some way the FCC could make them pay for this instead of giving them extensions. A deadline is a deadline.

All channels above 51 are to be eliminated by the FCC after the transition and sold off for purposes other than TV. WYFF and all other stations above 51 have to go somewhere else. Some stations across the country have elected to return to Ch.3 and 4. A station in Charleston WV is going back to 4 inspite of the interference issues. Maybe the terrain issues outweighed the concerns over interference. WYFF has obvious terrain issues in this area as well. There has been talk that the FCC will allow stations remaining on low VHF channels to operate at higher power levels to negate the interference problems.

WYFF stated to the FCC in the first round of channel elections, they wanted to wait for the second round to see what was available. It would appear they do not want to go back to channel 4. The second round has not begun yet.

D* has had issues with my upgrade to HD and needs to move my dish to my roof. They want to install a Winegard antenna that looks like an airplane wing.

Does anyone else have this setup, and if so, does it work?

> Every night that goes by, every MNF game that I miss, I will curse the wretched name of WLOS.

Strangecock, you not getting good signal strengh or what?

Last night, I rescanned and tweaked my indoor antenna and was able to get a solid and stable signal for the game. Motor Mile area.

Non-existant signal last night.

The only time I have ever even had a glimpse of WLOS-DT was about three weeks ago, when I got it for a few seconds here and there after a re-scan. But that was for only one night.

Unfortunately, I'm in a very hilly and tree-y neighborhood in Taylors. But with those precious few seconds of WLOS-DT a few weeks ago, I feel like I'm right on the verge of getting them reliably.

Hopefully once they get this equalizer thing fixed and their power nudged up that last little bit, it might be enough.

Does anyone have the latest official word? I've sent emails, but never heard back.

Every night that goes by, every MNF game that I miss, I will curse the wretched name of WLOS.

They have 4 weeks to get this thing nailed down before the Miami/FSU game. If they're not up by then, I'll be seriously pissed. And God forbid their foot-dragging lasts into the Fall TV season.

I wish there was some way the FCC could make them pay for this instead of giving them extensions. A deadline is a deadline.


I agree... The FCC should fine them. Additionally, I don't feel that WLOS is covering my area with the signal they are providing. As a result, we should be granted a waiver to receive the national feed from satellite providers.

scg32

Bigshowjoe,
I am in Spartanburg County, the Roebuck area specifically.


I get WLOS-DT great. I watched the MNF game last night and it looked wonderful. ( even for a preseason game)


I got an email from the WYFF engineer that stated they were at full power and seeing no problems. I made a video of the interference and he watched and told me multipath problems were the culprits. He suggested an antenna tweak. I moved the antenna about 5 degrees counterclockwise trying to get as close as possible to 303 degress ( antennaweb + a compass). I picked up 3dB SNR and about 5 points on my antenna scale, whatever that is. No more dropouts was the main outcome for me.

My post got split - second part.

Video of problem is on the internet if interested: This site will not let me post it, but I will email it to you. Something about having to have 5 posts first.

My equipment is a big ole channel master antenna in the attic. I forget the number but is was the largest on sold at solidsignal. Splitter/Amp in the attic with it. Sony KDF-55WF655. With this I can get the following pretty much all the time. The only problem has been WYFF till the last antenna tweak.

WYFF-DT
WHNS-DT
WLOS-DT
WSPA-DT
ETV-DT - Channel 29
UNC-DT - Channel 33
WGGS-DT
WBSC-DT
WASV-DT

Sorry for the long post split post.

Bobasaurus

I agree... The FCC should fine them. Additionally, I don't feel that WLOS is covering my area with the signal they are providing. As a result, we should be granted a waiver to receive the national feed from satellite providers.

scg32

I agree on the waiver part (but, that's a soapbox of mine). However, I get WLOS great here in Mauldin. I do, however, have sporadic problems with WSPA.

I still have issues with WLOS and the Samsung 360. Is anyone else having this problem still? calvinb, were you watching a taped show or a live program?

Re WLOS DT: Since discovering and correcting power line interference problems, I have had a very stable picture from the station, with signal strength usually 100%, occasionally dropping to 93. Again, I am not line of site, about 75' below a ridge line some 3/4 mile away. The station tower height above sea level helps to overcome some of ridge line obstruction. The correction of the power line problem solved all of my occasional pixelizations on several channels.

The update is that there is no update. They expected a firm date more than a week ago, but as of this morning there is no eta on the WLOS equalizer problem or WB40 on 14-1.

I noticed on the FCC website that the WLOS First Round Channel Election was disapproved for some reason dated 6/23/05. WLOS elected to go back to 13 and it was disapproved for some reason. I would have thought that it would have been automatic since they are operating on 13 now. I live in TN and I do get some weak signals from Chattanooga because of the Tennessee River Valley which allows the signals to travel the 185 miles and WRCB DT 13 is radiating their signal east and NE toward the WLOS coverage area. Given the problems WLOS is having with UHF, I was looking forward to having them on DT 13. Does anyone know why the application was turned down?

The update is that there is no update. They expected a firm date more than a week ago, but as of this morning there is no eta on the WLOS equalizer problem or WB40 on 14-1.

Additionally, I thought someone had posted that the stuttering video and resulting out-of-sync audio problem with Samsung OTA tuners was fixed, but I'm still experiencing the problem on my D* H10. I'm actually receiving the signal okay in Mauldin with a set-top antenna, but the stuttering makes watching pre-recorded content unwatchable.

--Cross

Additionally, I thought someone had posted that the stuttering video and resulting out-of-sync audio problem with Samsung OTA tuners was fixed, but I'm still experiencing the problem on my D* H10. I'm actually receiving the signal okay in Mauldin with a set-top antenna, but the stuttering makes watching pre-recorded content unwatchable.

--Cross

Do you experience the problem only with pre-recorded HD material or all pre-recorded material?

Does anyone know why the application was turned down?

I have no direct info, but from a similar situation I am aware of, the most likely reason could be this.

The FCC issued 150 letters that stated that the elected channel caused more than the allowable digital into digital interference and if a station wishes to elect that channel, they have to provide, by August 15th, what they intend to do to eliminate the interference issues. If the station does not want or decides not to use that elected channel, they can elect their current DTV channel (clearly not an option for WLOS since channel 56 will be going away at the end of the transition) or they can re-elect another channel in the second round that will be starting shortly.

The problem is that allowable digitial into analog interference is different that digital into digital interference. Just because an analog station worked, does not automatically mean in an all digital world it will and that is what appears to have happened here. For some reason, the FCC has set a very tight tolerence, more tightly than many thought and in a few situations that I know of, it only took a small adjustment that most people would not be able to tell in coverage to bring it into compliance. I would guess that channel 13 for WLOS is not a dead issue though, but they will have to modify something to stay within the digital into digital interference limits. Being 6600 ft in the air, they are affecting stations in 7 states so the list could kind of long. Or It could be something as simple as reducing power slightly or to modify the antenna pattern so it is slightly reduced towards a certain station. We don't know what that is so it is hard to say what might happen.

But until WLOS responds to the FCC on this issue, their election to channel 13 is disapproved.

Do you experience the problem only with pre-recorded HD material or all pre-recorded material?


I get the problem only with pre-recorded HD material. SD is fine.

--Cross