Sat Guy
So Local HDs will be available from DirectTV and most packages with 1 dish on my roof

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Just got a report today that end of the week we should be seeing HD locals off of Dish and DTV for both Honolulu and Anchorage. Again, Dish will be the way to go for HD at least until DirecTV 11 goes up and starts transmitting, this probably will not happen for another 8 months or so. And yes one dish (1.2 mtr) with LNB A will see 3 orbits 99, 101, 103. Its a modified tri-head LNB, the locals are presently broadcasting off of 99, but they will at times move them to 103 or visa versa with no notice.

I'll agree that Dish's SD channels for the most part are very flat. It's actually the encoding that's more the problem than bandwidth. Dish encodes it's SD at 480x480.
I avoid the SD channels as much as I can. :)

But I must say that I have been very surprised at how well the Mpeg4 channels on Dish look.
I just upgraded from the old 811(Mpeg2) receiver to the Vip211(Mpeg4) receiver, even the OTA tuner is a vast improvement.
I use a 24" for 119 and a 30" for 110, and had only one brief outage at 119 in the last year. Yes 110 did lose signal more often, but it wasn't too often or for long periods that it really bugged myself.
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Out of curiosity, what is the encoding and res on OTW standard def digital feed and analog?
Any idea?

Having lived on Oahu in the Glory Days from 1960 thru when cable was established there, for most people it's too much of a hassle if not impossible to try for the OTA thing, especially when you want to get it all. We couldn't get TV without cable AT ALL where I lived starting in 1966. Of course, digital OTA is easier to receive than analog OTA, as long as you have an ATSC tuner. Our house gets most of the analog signals as nearly pure snow, but we also tune just about every digital OTA channel available on the island with very little effort. - DR

I was wondering why it looks so much worse. Went from digital to analog signal I guess. :mad:
Yup... probably why it looks worse. I wonder when Oceanic will start cutting back on its analog lineup. 73 analog channels is a lot of bandwidth. 438 MHz to be more precise. They will need some of that in a year or two with all the HD channels coming out.

Of course, digital OTA is easier to receive than analog OTA, as long as you have an ATSC tuner. Our house gets most of the analog signals as nearly pure snow, but we also tune just about every digital OTA channel available on the island with very little effort. - DR

Not in a valley in far East Honolulu! Get Nada.

E

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Any idea why they sent it back after two weeks? Returns are very unusual I cant even remember the last time a customer wanted to return his/her Dish system after we had installed it. Which company installed it?

Oh, they had to pay a substantial fee to disconnect it.

E

Finally added ESPN2HD and FSNHD on the Big Island today....

ESurr-prize, sur-prize, surprize!! I was thinking that "fiber upgrade" was a load 'o bull fiber and we'd be waiting for months. Great Angels games the past two nights on FSN, with tons of Dodgers games on the schedule too. Thanks Oceanic!!! :D

Schedule here http://msn.foxsports.com/story/6471002

All of Honolulu HD locals and sub-channels are now active on Dish Network.

Finally can get KHNL! :)

Will take a look at the channels in primetime to give an opinion of the HD quality.

6pm update:

Just watched NBC Nightly News on KHNL via Dish, looks very good.

Have noticed a couple of breakups on KHNL and KHON, likely from the fiber backhaul.

Hopefully KGMB airs most of it's HD lineup, not just one hour like last night.

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What we are pushing for and have strongly suggested is:
RaveHD, National GeoHD, Food NetworkHD, and EquatorHD

Any suggestions to this list?

Hey Sat Guy,

So I guess no other national HD channels from Dish, except for locals, huh. I should've known better since I didn't see anything in the uplink activity, except for the locals that were uplinked. Like all other DBS rumors, I'll believe when I see it.

Charles O,

Did you lose any audio on KHON today? My OTA was fine, but when I switched to KHON HD via Dish, there was no audio during the baseball and golf broadcast.

Thanks

g,

I wasn't at home during the day so don't know about KHON and the audio, but last night noticed that KHNL and KHON have periods that the signal would breakup, so Dish may be having problems with those stations.
As for the PQ, KHNL during L&O CI last night was outstanding. Numbers on KGMB had a flatter look to it compared to OTA but overall was good.

With KITV, KGMB and KHNL all airing movies tonight, it will make a good night to compare.


As for future HD channels from Dish, both they and Directv have been ordered by the FCC to offer exact programming and services in Alaska and Hawaii that they offer the mainland. Dish does have 3 open spot beams for programming, also Dish's HD Pack for AK/HI is now all in Mpeg4 and went from 3 to 2 tps.
If they uplink the remaining HD channels, minus the Voom channels, it would fit on 1 tp.
Those channels are FoodHD, NatGeoHD, A&E HD, StarzHD and CinemaxHD.

Hi! I am late in local hd info.
I have dish with 811 receiver.
Would I be getting hd locals and will they be on the same 8900's channels?

Hi! I am late in local hd info.
I have dish with 811 receiver.
Would I be getting hd locals and will they be on the same 8900's channels?

You'll need to upgrade to the Vip211 or the Vip622 to get the local HD channels from Dish.

Another factor is people don't forget easily. Remember AlphaStar?

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Alphastar is a little before my time, didnt they use a 30 inch winegard dish? In all my adventures on the island Ive only seen one of these still installed.

Not in a valley in far East Honolulu! Get Nada.

E

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Yea, Hawaii Kai - Kalama valley tough one for OTA HD, also Kailua and Kaneohe pretty tough

All of Honolulu HD locals and sub-channels are now active on Dish Network.

Finally can get KHNL! :)

Will take a look at the channels in primetime to give an opinion of the HD quality.

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Charles beat me to it.
I was unable to post until today (Monday 06-11) The locals came in about 2:00 - 3:00p last friday. I was comparing the broadcast between OTA and Dish HD for the locals, I was pleasantly suprised that Dish HD locals looked as good as they do.

Hey Sat Guy,

So I guess no other national HD channels from Dish, except for locals, huh. I should've known better since I didn't see anything in the uplink activity, except for the locals that were uplinked. Like all other DBS rumors, I'll believe when I see it.

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Yes correct just the locals for now,
The bandwidth on the spots is there.. (Off of 110) we just have not seen any additional HD yet, will update as soon as we hear something. :)

g,

I wasn't at home during the day so don't know about KHON and the audio, but last night noticed that KHNL and KHON have periods that the signal would breakup, so Dish may be having problems with those stations.
As for the PQ, KHNL during L&O CI last night was outstanding. Numbers on KGMB had a flatter look to it compared to OTA but overall was good.

With KITV, KGMB and KHNL all airing movies tonight, it will make a good night to compare.


As for future HD channels from Dish, both they and Directv have been ordered by the FCC to offer exact programming and services in Alaska and Hawaii that they offer the mainland. Dish does have 3 open spot beams for programming, also Dish's HD Pack for AK/HI is now all in Mpeg4 and went from 3 to 2 tps.
If they uplink the remaining HD channels, minus the Voom channels, it would fit on 1 tp.
Those channels are FoodHD, NatGeoHD, A&E HD, StarzHD and CinemaxHD.

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I read about this FCC order a while back, Honolulu Advertiser put an article out that touched a little on this in May. Yea the bandwidth is there on 110 orbit to do quite a bit for us in Hawaii. There is also some room on tp 09 off of 119, though not sure if there is enough for data that would be required for an extra HD channel. I wasnt aware of the 'new' spots off of 110 going full MPEG4, I do know (From another memeber on this forum a while back) That dish placed headers on the 'new' HD channels to make them only accesable with the new Vip MPEG4 receivers. This is great if all of this has changed now

Hi! I am late in local hd info.
I have dish with 811 receiver.
Would I be getting hd locals and will they be on the same 8900's channels?


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jplmain,
Someone has probably already anwsered you on this but just in case that didnt happen I will anwser. You do need a new Vip MPEG4 HD dish receiver to get the new channels including the locals in HD which were released last Friday.
There are a couple different ways you can get this done.
A) Contact the original company that performed the install for you and ask them for the 'Dish n it up' promotion, you should be able to get a Vip DVR HD 622 for about 100.00 installed. (Keep in mind you will need 2 satellite locations 119 satellite (Which you probaly have now) and 110 satellite (The high def is here)
B) Purchase a new Vip 622 from dish, or dealer, or online. Add that to your account, if purchased from online make sure you get the 'R00' and 'S00' numbers from the receiver, once you have that info call 1 800 333 3474 and confirm that you can add that receiver onto your account, and make sure there is no outstanding balance on it.
Hope this helps!
-P

Just watching Secrets of Hawaii's National Parks on Discovery HD and thought I check into the Hawaii thread.

How big is the island that Honolulu is on, mile wise? Which island has more population?

On weather.com you scan type in the zip code for one of the citys on the islands and it brings up a interactive map, that allows you to scan in street level and see photos from space, its neat seeing the islands. The little island that is the very westward island has some roads on it and a couple of buildings but not very many.
How far apart are the island, and are there ferries or bridges that connect them?

Hilo, Honolulu, and Kahului how far apart are they and are they close enough that over the air signals reach each other?

I cant imagine how it must be to be out on the islands away from everything.
Here on the east coast of North Carolina on the Outter Banks we have barrier islands we have the Atlantic Ocean on the east and the Pamlico sound on the west. the Northern outter banks(KittyHawk, Kill Devill Hills) you get to by a bridge. The a little bit south, you have Hatteras island (Cape Hatteras) some areas of the island are just wide enough for Highway12 to get thru, during Hurricanes the road is washed away by ocean overwash, winds blow pretty good out there, Ive been thru and seen sand blown over the top of the highway signs, NO JOKE.
the one island that is really cut off from everyone is Ocracoke Island, only one way on is Ferry, from the south a 3 hr ferry ride, or the north a 30 minute ferry ride to Hatteras island , then about a 45 minute ride on pretty much and higway on the beach with nothing but water on both sides.
The island has some small local gift store and a few local eating joints, but no major grocery stores or fast food stores.
And talk about prices, $.99 shampoo, is about $5.00, is it like that on the islands there?

Here where I lives in Washington NC about 2 hrs west of the coast, I get digital ota channels from The Washington, Greenville, New Bern NC market as my primary and I can also pull in the Raleigh, Durham NC market about 85 miles to the west of me.
I get
GREENVILLE WASHINGTON NEW BERN
WITN 7.1 NBC HD
WITN 7.2 24/7 WX
WFXI 8.1 FOX HD
WFXI 8.2 FOX SD
WNCT 9.1 CBS HD
WNCT 9.2 THE CW
WCTI 12.1 ABC HD
WCTI 12.3 ENCTV
WYDO 14.1 FOX HD
WYDO 14.2 FOX SD
WUNK 25.1 UNC TV/PBS
WUNK 25.2 UNC HD
WUNK 25.3 UNC KD KIDS
WUNK 25.4 UNC ED EDUCATION
WUNK 25.5 UNC NC NORTH CAROLINA

RAL-DURHAM
WRAL 5.1 CBS HD
WRAL 5.2 WRAL NEWS CHANNEL
WRAL 5.3 NCAA TOURNAMENT USE
WRAL 5.3 NCAA TOURNAMENT USE
WTVD 11.1 ABC HD
WTVD 11.2 NEWS/DOPPLER
WTVD 11.3 ACCUWEATHER
WNCN 17.1 NBC HD
WNCN 17.2 NBC SD
WNCN 17.3 NBC WEATHER PLUS
WLFL 21.1 CW HD
WRDC 28.1 MY NETWORK TV HD
WRAY 30.1 SHOP AT HOME SD
WRPX 47.1 ION SD
WRPX 47.2 QUBO
WRPX 47.3 FAITH
WRPX 47.4 WORSHIP
WRAZ 50.1 FOX HD
WRAZ 50.2 FOX SD
WRAZ 50.3 WRAL WEATHER CHANNEL

I use a channel master 4228 uhf antenna to pull all of these in.

Well thats enough from me here in NC hope to hear from some of you, WWE Raw is on now so Ill watch it and check back in later.

Thanks you guys I'll contact them. I have HD package already with two dish I just need the reciever up grade. $100. dollars that sounds nice better, then 400 on ebay.

jamieh1, you are right about the shampoo price. I just bought a bottle of Head & Shoulders for about $6 on the Big Island. Other things are expensive, too. Milk is about $5-6 a gallon last time I checked.

to answer a couple of your questions, Oahu (where Honolulu is) is 44 x 30 miles. See Google Maps (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=kahului,+HI&ie=UTF8&ll=20.457896,-156.522217&spn=3.32946,3.724365&z=8&iwloc=addr&om=1). It is the second smallest of the four main islands (Oahu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oahu), Maui (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maui), Big Island of Hawaii (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaii_%28island%29), Kauai (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kauai)), but is home to about 80% of the state's population. Therefore, the digital OTA transmitters in the state are mostly near Honolulu. I am on the northwest side of the Big Island, where there are no digital OTA signals and even the available analog signal is hard to pick up, since it is broadcast from Maui. There are 3 digital retransmitter stations active in Hilo, but they only work for that side of the island since the signal cannot go over the giant that is Mauna Kea. Maui and Kauai do not get any digital OTA, either. Quite a contrast compared to you getting digital stations from 2 markets!!

How come Dish can strike a deal with the local CBS station kgmb but Oceanic TW still cannot get a deal done? Does dish pay the local channels to carry their signals?

Anyone heard any new info on KGMB and OTW?

Yes, Dish does pay KGMB as well as KHON, KITV and KHNL/KFVE for both the analog and digital signals.

KWHE and KIKU envoked must carry for both analog and digital.
KBFD only envoked must carry on analog.
KPXO and KAAH waived must carry.

I don't know about KHET but it wouldn't suprise if Dish is paying them as well.

SInce KGMB is now under new ownership and a competitor now carries them, Oceanic has little excuse for not working a deal for the digital channel.

I don't think the KGMB sale has closed as yet.

E

Sale closed on June 8th.

http://www.tvtechnology.com/pages/s.0016/t.6566.html

Milk is about $5-6 a gallon last time I checked.
$4.00 at Safeway (Enchanted Lake) with Safeway-Card. Please excuse off-topic observation.

Sale closed on June 8th.

http://www.tvtechnology.com/pages/s.0016/t.6566.html

Then let's give them some time!

E

For the heck of it I was checking out the TW Oceanic HD channel line up and I noticed that KHET and the Golf channels will be added 6/15? Cool!

1010 KHET HD (eff. 6/15)

1216 Golf Channel/VS HD (eff. 6/15)

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jplmain,
Someone has probably already anwsered you on this but just in case that didnt happen I will anwser. You do need a new Vip MPEG4 HD dish receiver to get the new channels including the locals in HD which were released last Friday.
There are a couple different ways you can get this done.
A) Contact the original company that performed the install for you and ask them for the 'Dish n it up' promotion, you should be able to get a Vip DVR HD 622 for about 100.00 installed. (Keep in mind you will need 2 satellite locations 119 satellite (Which you probaly have now) and 110 satellite (The high def is here)
B) Purchase a new Vip 622 from dish, or dealer, or online. Add that to your account, if purchased from online make sure you get the 'R00' and 'S00' numbers from the receiver, once you have that info call 1 800 333 3474 and confirm that you can add that receiver onto your account, and make sure there is no outstanding balance on it.
Hope this helps!
-P

Thanks for the suggestion but, I called my original installer Microcom, and the $100 upgrade special is $260.00 because I live in Hawaii.
Is this common or should I try a different installer like the "Saterlite Guy The"? ( that's the name in yellow pages). And why do I need a installer?

For the heck of it I was checking out the TW Oceanic HD channel line up and I noticed that KHET and the Golf channels will be added 6/15? Cool!

1010 KHET HD (eff. 6/15)

1216 Golf Channel/VS HD (eff. 6/15)


Yes! We're gettin' there. BTW, Erika Engle told me she's going to do an HD update for the Star-Bulletin soon. She said getting KGMB-HD is just one of MANY issues that Rick Blangiardi has on his plate to deal with since the closing.

Eric

How come Dish can strike a deal with the local CBS station kgmb but Oceanic TW still cannot get a deal done? Does dish pay the local channels to carry their signals?

Anyone heard any new info on KGMB and OTW?

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Deathray:
I dont know the details on how Dish got a deal done with KGMB. It may have had something to do with the FCC must carry rule, not sure. Have not heard of dish paying anything to carry a specific local channel or of dish making deals to carry local programming

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Deathray:
I dont know the details on how Dish got a deal done with KGMB. It may have had something to do with the FCC must carry rule, not sure. Have not heard of dish paying anything to carry a specific local channel or of dish making deals to carry local programming


They're probably not charging an exorbitant rate per subscriber for DISH, either.

E

Thanks for the suggestion but, I called my original installer Microcom, and the $100 upgrade special is $260.00 because I live in Hawaii.
Is this common or should I try a different installer like the "Saterlite Guy The"? ( that's the name in yellow pages). And why do I need a installer?

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jplmain,
I wish I could do your upgrade for you, unfortunately that particular 'existing customer promotion' (Dish n it up) is only available from the dish subscribers original installation company. Do you have 2 dishes up already? (119,110?)

Yes! I do have two sats at 119 and 110. I was also told by another competing company that I can ask dish directly and have them send the unit straight to me by mail and that I can install it my self.
I do get a fifty dollar rebate from my bill if I have them install it. I have a appointment tomorrow at 9:00 to 12:00 and I can not wait so I will pay the extra $120 because I want it now. I will just make them work for it by rewiring and rechecking singlnals of satellites and have it all receivers work together and show me how to use them while I drink a beer.

Thanks for the suggestion but, I called my original installer Microcom, and the $100 upgrade special is $260.00 because I live in Hawaii.
Is this common or should I try a different installer like the "Saterlite Guy The"? ( that's the name in yellow pages). And why do I need a installer?
The $100 upgrade have to go throught Dishnetwork. The $260 is for the 2nd Dish HD only for Sat 110. It come with 24" Dish and DP34 switch. What type of receiver do you have now?

Yes! I do have two sats at 119 and 110. I was also told by another competing company that I can ask dish directly and have them send the unit straight to me by mail and that I can install it my self.
I do get a fifty dollar rebate from my bill if I have them install it. I have a appointment tomorrow at 9:00 to 12:00 and I can not wait so I will pay the extra $120 because I want it now. I will just make them work for it by rewiring and rechecking singlnals of satellites and have it all receivers work together and show me how to use them while I drink a beer.
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If dish gives you a 50.00 credit off your monthly that’s pretty good. So you pay about 200.00 when it’s all said and done, remember you do have 1 guy for about an hour so if you need the dog poop picked up in the backyard don’t hesitate to ask!
(I can say this since our competitor is performing the upgrade for you) Hope it goes well

MICROCOM
Hello have three meter dish for 110 and the regular dish for 119.
The installation on Friday went well. I was told that HD locals come through spot beams to there new 24" dish. The install said my 1meter dish will do fine but the transpoder is suspected of being unreliable but, he did not change it because my signal was good.

Today Saturday morning, anxiously waking up to watch U.S. Open golf on KHNL HD, was very dissatisfied. Break up 75% of the time. MLB on KHON had a great picture but, no sound. All other HD's came fine.

Is every body having this problem or is it my equipment?

MICROCOM
Hello have three meter dish for 110 and the regular dish for 119.
The installation on Friday went well. I was told that HD locals come through spot beams to there new 24" dish. The install said my 1meter dish will do fine but the transpoder is suspected of being unreliable but, he did not change it because my signal was good.

Today Saturday morning, anxiously waking up to watch U.S. Open golf on KHNL HD, was very dissatisfied. Break up 75% of the time. MLB on KHON had a great picture but, no sound. All other HD's came fine.

Is every body having this problem or is it my equipment?

KHNL and KFVE have been having issues. I know what you mean about MLB with picture but no sound. It happened to me last week, but it was fine in the evening. Had no problems with OTA, though. I mentioned it to Charles O in one of my previous posts to see if he noticed it. I couldn't catch KHNL and KFVE via dish last night at around 10:00 p.m. not sure how long it lasted because I watch all of my locals via OTA, which yields a better picture anyways. Do you have an OTA antenna? What part of the island do you live?

MICROCOM
Hello have three meter dish for 110 and the regular dish for 119.
The installation on Friday went well. I was told that HD locals come through spot beams to there new 24" dish. The install said my 1meter dish will do fine but the transpoder is suspected of being unreliable but, he did not change it because my signal was good.

Today Saturday morning, anxiously waking up to watch U.S. Open golf on KHNL HD, was very dissatisfied. Break up 75% of the time. MLB on KHON had a great picture but, no sound. All other HD's came fine.

Is every body having this problem or is it my equipment?

All the HD channel are in the spot beam from sat 110. HD local from Dishnetwork sometime they lose signal signal problem is from the Uplink/Downlink. OTA is more stable.

KHNL and KFVE have been having issues. I know what you mean about MLB with picture but no sound. It happened to me last week, but it was fine in the evening. Had no problems with OTA, though. I mentioned it to Charles O in one of my previous posts to see if he noticed it. I couldn't catch KHNL and KFVE via dish last night at around 10:00 p.m. not sure how long it lasted because I watch all of my locals via OTA, which yields a better picture anyways. Do you have an OTA antenna? What part of the island do you live?

I live on Kanianaole hwy. near Wailupe cir. muaka side. I got a radio shack multi vhs uhs combo I think 5 footer up 20 feet high. Broke cable link a couple of years ago. Was getting only channel 7 at the time. Wasn't worth the effort.

All the HD channel are in the spot beam from sat 110. HD local from Dishnetwork sometime they lose signal signal problem is from the Uplink/Downlink. OTA is more stable.

Well I got twice as many Hd channels now and the repeats of the us open are all over (UNIHD, ESPN) the dish in the eveing. KITV's Pirates look good.

OTA is not for everone or worth the hassle. Soon KHON KHNL will get there act togther hopefully.

I e-mailed Dish about the problems with KHNL, Dish is aware of the problem and is working to resolve the problem. Watchning SNL on KHNL tonight and no breakups, so hopefully that's a good sign.

I did notice today the "No Sound" issue on KHON trying to watch the Giants/Red Sox Game. A friend of mine who also has Dish said KHON had the same problem with the Nike Tour on KHON last Sunday. It appears that when KHON switches to live FOX-HD feed(Dolby 5.1) from it's regular feed (Dolby 2.0) Dish's encoders aren't picking it up correctly.
I'm going to e-mail Dish about this issue, but since it only occurs on the weekend Dish may not have been aware of the 5.1 settings.

They're probably not charging an exorbitant rate per subscriber for DISH, either.

E


FWIW.....a spy in the industry told me that the "big 4" stations are paid about 25 cents per sub by Dish.

KHNL is good in the eveing and terrible in the mornings might have something to do with the earth rotation or something like that.

What a pleasant surprise this morning. Although it was not scheduled in the guide, the Angels / Dodgers game was broadcast in HD.

I checked out the PBS broadcast on Oceanic 1010 yesterday afternoon, a program about snow leopards . . . talk about pixelated . . . :p

Are they showing anything in HD yet?

On a non-HD Oceanic matter . . . they were running promos for an On Demand Travel channel, with travel and vacation destination content. I didn't remember the channel number, so I called. The CSR didn't know either. The CSR suggest the On Demand channel . . . but when I went there, all I could see was the bright yellow box (on grey background) that I suppose highlighted different On Demand options, since it would scroll in response to the nav buttons, but there was nothing to see in the box.

I checked out the PBS broadcast on Oceanic 1010 yesterday afternoon, a program about snow leopards . . . talk about pixelated . . . :p

Are they showing anything in HD yet?

On a non-HD Oceanic matter . . . they were running promos for an On Demand Travel channel, with travel and vacation destination content. I didn't remember the channel number, so I called. The CSR didn't know either. The CSR suggest the On Demand channel . . . but when I went there, all I could see was the bright yellow box (on grey background) that I suppose highlighted different On Demand options, since it would scroll in response to the nav buttons, but there was nothing to see in the box.


As we have said, KHET does not have an HD server to timeshift HD programming for our timezone. So no, we won't be seeing any HD content from them for the foreseeable future. All they do is upconvert. Increase those pledges to PBS Hawaii!

Try channel 352, Knowledge On Demand. Look at "Journey TV". They have some travel stuff..not very much, though. And nowhere I'd want to go!

E

MICROCOM
Hello have three meter dish for 110 and the regular dish for 119.
The installation on Friday went well. I was told that HD locals come through spot beams to there new 24" dish. The install said my 1meter dish will do fine but the transpoder is suspected of being unreliable but, he did not change it because my signal was good.

Today Saturday morning, anxiously waking up to watch U.S. Open golf on KHNL HD, was very dissatisfied. Break up 75% of the time. MLB on KHON had a great picture but, no sound. All other HD's came fine.

Is every body having this problem or is it my equipment?

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jplmain,
Good to hear your install went well, hopefully you got Ken as your tech, hes probably the best overall Dishnet tech on the island.
Your existing 110 feed is off a 24 inch dish? You have or had a 1.0 mtr dish for 110? Do you only want HD off of 110, or did you want to access other standard def programs (Golf channel, discovery times channel etc)
As far as KHNL HD and standard def goes, everyone is having issues. The OTA digital is great on KHNL, signal is a little low on our OTA 'squareshooter', but the signal is not digitizing. However there seems to be an issue with the compression or 'uplink' from KHNL to Dish on the standard def and HD...CharlesO would be the best person to anwser that. I dont think its on Dishnetworks side.

As we have said, KHET does not have an HD server to timeshift HD programming for our timezone. So no, we won't be seeing any HD content from them for the foreseeable future. All they do is upconvert. Increase those pledges to PBS Hawaii!
I don't have KHET-DT, but since PBS shows are mostly letterboxed on the analog channel, when KHET upconverts is it full widescreen or just a pillarboxed version of what we see on analog (that is, windowboxed)?

I don't have KHET-DT, but since PBS shows are mostly letterboxed on the analog channel, when KHET upconverts is it full widescreen or just a pillarboxed version of what we see on analog (that is, windowboxed)?

It's pillarboxed.

E

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jplmain,
Good to hear your install went well, hopefully you got Ken as your tech, hes probably the best overall Dishnet tech on the island.
Your existing 110 feed is off a 24 inch dish? You have or had a 1.0 mtr dish for 110? Do you only want HD off of 110, or did you want to access other standard def programs (Golf channel, discovery times channel etc)
As far as KHNL HD and standard def goes, everyone is having issues. The OTA digital is great on KHNL, signal is a little low on our OTA 'squareshooter', but the signal is not digitizing. However there seems to be an issue with the compression or 'uplink' from KHNL to Dish on the standard def and HD...CharlesO would be the best person to anwser that. I dont think its on Dishnetworks side.

I have meter for 110 and 24" 119. I would like golf channel but, does it come HD? I think I have to pay $13 more for the 200 channel package. I have basic 100 and regular hd package.

I have meter for 110 and 24" 119. I would like golf channel but, does it come HD? I think I have to pay $13 more for the 200 channel package. I have basic 100 and regular hd package.


Oceanic added the Golf Channel HD last week. I have yet to see anything in HD on it as yet...

E

It's pillarboxed.Not always, at least OTA. Mystery, for example, was showing full-screen. (I say "was" because lately all I get OTA from KHET is analogue and KHET-2, KHET-HD is blank.) - DR

Both KHET OTA channels are still on, try tune to 18.1 and 18.2

Oceanic added the Golf Channel HD last week. I have yet to see anything in HD on it as yet...

E

Actually it's a combination Golf Channel and VS. From what I can tell, they are broadcasting Golf Channel during the day and VS at night.

I have meter for 110 and 24" 119. I would like golf channel but, does it come HD? I think I have to pay $13 more for the 200 channel package. I have basic 100 and regular hd package.

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jplmain,
you should be getting an average 70-73 signal on that 24 inch dish, if you are dipping in the 60s a dish tune may be in order.
Golf channel is not in HD, I looked into it a little and it seems as though there is only standard def Golf channel available for satellite or cable providors very little HD content.
You will need to call dish and ask for the AT 250 package, includes Golf, and about another 100 or so channels, (25 or so of these are digital mono audio channels)
youre looking at about 54.00 a month for this package.

yesterday I was out in Kapaau on the North side of the Big Island and I noticed at least a dozen fishbone antennas driving through town and beyond. Someone even had one mounted on pole sitting by the side of the road in a gulch. anyway, some of these folks don't have access to cable, but they are close enough to Maui's south side to pick up an OTA analog signal. I couldn't help but wonder how those people will react if the local stations don't get their digital transmitter farm up on Maui in time for February 2009. heck, even if the digital signal is up, they probably won't know what hit them.

yesterday I was out in Kapaau on the North side of the Big Island and I noticed at least a dozen fishbone antennas driving through town and beyond. Someone even had one mounted on pole sitting by the side of the road in a gulch. anyway, some of these folks don't have access to cable, but they are close enough to Maui's south side to pick up an OTA analog signal. I couldn't help but wonder how those people will react if the local stations don't get their digital transmitter farm up on Maui in time for February 2009. heck, even if the digital signal is up, they probably won't know what hit them.

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Antenna.org lists a few 'maybe' channels off of Maui possibly, but overall parts of North Big Isle are pretty spotty for OTA transmission. These residences may not want any pay services, if they did Im sure they would be getting dish :)

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Antenna.org lists a few 'maybe' channels off of Maui possibly, but overall parts of North Big Isle are pretty spotty for OTA transmission. These residences may not want any pay services, if they did Im sure they would be getting dish :)


Believe it or not, Oceanic also serves the North Kohala area.

Oceanic's Big Island systems used to get the local channels OTA from Haleakala on Maui in Honokaa, microwaving the signal to Hilo to be fed into the headend there. Now it all comes via fiber from Oahu, coming ashore in the Hualalai Resort area on the Kona coast.

E

Believe it or not, Oceanic also serves the North Kohala area.

Oceanic's Big Island systems used to get the local channels OTA from Haleakala on Maui in Honokaa, microwaving the signal to Hilo to be fed into the headend there. Now it all comes via fiber from Oahu, coming ashore in the Hualalai Resort area on the Kona coast.

E


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Im sure fiber transmission looks a lot better then the microwave relay, so sounds like they have headend distribution in Kona?

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Im sure fiber transmission looks a lot better then the microwave relay, so sounds like they have headend distribution in Kona?

There used to be the three separate systems (Hilo, Kona and Kohala)...now the new server and headend plant is in Kona and feeds out from there all over the island.

E

There used to be the three separate systems (Hilo, Kona and Kohala)...now the new server and headend plant is in Kona and feeds out from there all over the island.


Actually Ka'u used to be separate system also. It used to be owned by Tele-Communications Inc before Time Warner did a franchise swap which
netted the Maui and Ka'u systems.

If you look behind the Punalu'u Bakeshop in Naalehu you can see the old TCI cable head end for Ka'u

Believe it or not, Oceanic also serves the North Kohala area.

Oceanic's Big Island systems used to get the local channels OTA from Haleakala on Maui in Honokaa, microwaving the signal to Hilo to be fed into the headend there. Now it all comes via fiber from Oahu, coming ashore in the Hualalai Resort area on the Kona coast.



As far as I understand the North Kohala system's back haul connection is via Microwave still . The rest of the island is interconnected via fiber-optics .

All the inter island fiber-optics and Southern Cross Cables land up by Spencer Beach Park up in Kawaihae. Time Warner Telcom (Which provides interisland fiber transport for Oceanic), Hawaiian Telcom, SCCL, and Pacific LightNet (and eventually Sandwich Isles Communications) have fiber landings up there.

Aloha,

I am thinking about purchasing an OTA HDTV receiver. Does Oceanic transmit any HD channels unencrypted? If they do, I will get Oceanic basic cable service for get the HD channels. Otherwise, I will purchase an antenna.

Mahalo

Aloha,

I am thinking about purchasing an OTA HDTV receiver. Does Oceanic transmit any HD channels unencrypted? If they do, I will get Oceanic basic cable service for get the HD channels. Otherwise, I will purchase an antenna.



As far as I understand you need to purchase digital cable service and their HDTV package (about 100.00 a month) to get HDTV service. Although I've read on here people with HDTV TV's have been able to get in the clear HDTV channels even if they have digital cable.

vatraps,

The full oceanic HD package is ~70 (55 for digital cable, +7 for cable box, +7 for "hd pak"). The channel selection is getting good, pretty much the best you'll find here.

From what I've heard, if you buy their cheapest basic package, something like $10/mo, you have access to their unencrypted HD channels. That means KHNL, KHON, and KITV. KGMB HD is only available with an antenna, or dish.

Thank you for the replies. I think I will set up an antenna and pull in the OTA HD signals.

Does anyone here get Showtime HD on Cable? Have you noticed pixelization/ macro blocking, on transitions and scene changes?

I am planning to call and before I do I would like to get an idea how many other may be experiencing it as well.

I get HD Showtime and haven't noticed any problems.

Erika Engle's The Buzz column in the Star Bulletin.

http://starbulletin.com/2007/06/28/business/engle.html



All I could say is Rick Blangiardi and Nate Smith better meet soon before football season begins. Football starts in about 1 to 2 months.

Also, it must be embrassing to KGMB, they are the only major local affiliate not on Oceanic's HD lineup and KHET beat them to it.

I know that KGMB's previous owner couldn't reach a agreement, but I really thought we would see KGMB's HD feed this month. I guess we will have to wait, let's hope sometime in July...

Erika Engle's The Buzz column in the Star Bulletin.

http://starbulletin.com/2007/06/28/business/engle.html



All I could say is Rick Blangiardi and Nate Smith better meet soon before football season begins. Football starts in about 1 to 2 months.

Also, it must be embrassing to KGMB, they are the only major local affiliate not on Oceanic's HD lineup and KHET beat them to it.

I know that KGMB's previous owner couldn't reach a agreement, but I really thought we would see KGMB's HD feed this month. I guess we will have to wait, let's hope sometime in July...

Frankly, when a TV station changes ownership, I don't think getting the HD signal on the local cable system is at the very top of their priorities!

It'll get done...

E

vatraps,

The full oceanic HD package is ~70 (55 for digital cable, +7 for cable box, +7 for "hd pak"). The channel selection is getting good, pretty much the best you'll find here.

From what I've heard, if you buy their cheapest basic package, something like $10/mo, you have access to their unencrypted HD channels. That means KHNL, KHON, and KITV. KGMB HD is only available with an antenna, or dish.

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Likerice,
I think Kona guy is closer to an accurate monthly for oceanic HD. You may be 'grandfathered' in at the 55.00 digital package? Standard rate for digital package(s) for the state ranges closer to 80.00 mo, HD closer to 10.00mo, and digital coverter box about 10.00, also dont forget about the 'FCC' charge at about 3 bucks a month, and the remote control charge for about 4.00 mo. In most cases Dish service trounces anything oceanic has to offer outside of the analog service they offer.

Aloha,

I am thinking about purchasing an OTA HDTV receiver. Does Oceanic transmit any HD channels unencrypted? If they do, I will get Oceanic basic cable service for get the HD channels. Otherwise, I will purchase an antenna.

Mahalo

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Vatraps,
Digital service is 'incripted' Analog is fairly accessable still, you just need a 'channel trap' free signal coming into your TV. And another note, only a small ammount of channels are in digial format even if you subscribe to oceanic digital service.

Does anyone here get Showtime HD on Cable? Have you noticed pixelization/ macro blocking, on transitions and scene changes?

I am planning to call and before I do I would like to get an idea how many other may be experiencing it as well.

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Brad,
Not just you, weve been receiving a few calls on this, from what I can tell its not bad enough for people to stop subscribing to OTW, seems to be an irritant though

Erika Engle's The Buzz column in the Star Bulletin.

http://starbulletin.com/2007/06/28/business/engle.html



All I could say is Rick Blangiardi and Nate Smith better meet soon before football season begins. Football starts in about 1 to 2 months.

Also, it must be embrassing to KGMB, they are the only major local affiliate not on Oceanic's HD lineup and KHET beat them to it.

I know that KGMB's previous owner couldn't reach a agreement, but I really thought we would see KGMB's HD feed this month. I guess we will have to wait, let's hope sometime in July...

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hdaniel1,
The rumour mill is in full swing on this one. Maybe someone on this forum knows why OTW doesnt have KGMB feed yet. I heard it was an issue with too little offered from OTW to give KGMB for 'HD rebroadcast rights'.
I do know that HD has been available on OTA for a while now, and weve been recording OTA HD KGMB with out any issues on a Dishnetwork HD DVR going on 3 or 4 years now. And about 2 weeks ago Dish launched KGMB HD, so local subscibers get 10 standard def locals, and anything available as a HD OTA signal on HD feeds for about 6.00 a month

Erika Engle's The Buzz column in the Star Bulletin.

http://starbulletin.com/2007/06/28/business/engle.html



All I could say is Rick Blangiardi and Nate Smith better meet soon before football season begins. Football starts in about 1 to 2 months.

Also, it must be embrassing to KGMB, they are the only major local affiliate not on Oceanic's HD lineup and KHET beat them to it.

I know that KGMB's previous owner couldn't reach a agreement, but I really thought we would see KGMB's HD feed this month. I guess we will have to wait, let's hope sometime in July...
Does that deal allow Oceanic to record PBS shows in true HD to adjust for the timeshift, thereby allowing for true HD broadcasts? Or is everything that we see just upconverted and possibly stretched versions of standard def shows?

I'll probably get flamed for this, but I don't really care at this point.

I'd previously requested that a separate thread be created so that this satellite-related info can be saved and expanded, because there is an obvious interest in satellite gear. But since this has not happened, I have given up hope on reading anything else HDTV-related AND non-satellite-related here.

The reason that this thread was created was for discussion focused around the general reception of HDTV in Hawaii. But recently, it seems to have been overwhelmed by Satellite Guy HI's posts about satellite dish-related info.

Whether those posts are informing people about HDTV though satellite dishes or promoting an interest that will benefit his personal business *depends on how you read them*. As a result, there seems to be less about *general* HDTV topics in Hawaii, and more about the satellite company offerings which coincidently... he sells in his store (if he's the owner of the store on King St.).

I'm aware that everyone has a right to post and speak about whatever they feel, as long as it's related to this *general* topic and abides by the Rules of the Forum. And I also understand that if no one else is contributing topics here except for Satellite Guy HI, there isn't going to be much else to read. But I'm just tired of endless posts about why DISH or DirectTV is better than Oceanic Cable.

Satellite Guy HI - if you're not the business owner on King St., then I sincerely apologize because that means you're contributing info that's simply related to satellite reception. However, if you *are* a part of the "Satellite Guy HI" store, then I'd suggest you lay off the heavy promotion of products/services that you could profit off of. Everyone would not react positively to a local TV retailer covertly posting about why a particular brand of TV is better than another for HDTV, especially when that particular brand is sold by them.

So thanks everyone, for the local HDTV info. It was fun while it lasted.

(disclaimer: I do not work for any local tv retailer, satellite company, local broadcaster or Oceanic Cable.)

I'll probably get flamed for this, but I don't really care at this point.

Satellite Guy HI - if you're not the business owner on King St., then I sincerely apologize because that means you're contributing info that's simply related to satellite reception. However, if you *are* a part of the "Satellite Guy HI" store, then I'd suggest you lay off the heavy promotion of products/services that you could profit off of. Everyone would not react positively to a local TV retailer covertly posting about why a particular brand of TV is better than another for HDTV, especially when that particular brand is sold by them.

Yes I was just starting to feel the same thing.. Satellite is not an option for the thousands of us who live in Condos and apartments. No cable equals no TV... HD is only available from Oceanic cable. Mostly I am happy with it... I want more channels. I want KHON to show primetime HD and CBS should be added. Some shows on PBS do seem to be HD. HBO is great in HD, Discovery is one of my faves.. Other than a few occasional problems I am very happy with cable.

Aloha ... brad

I'll probably get flamed for this, but I don't really care at this point.

I'd previously requested that a separate thread be created so that this satellite-related info can be saved and expanded, because there is an obvious interest in satellite gear. But since this has not happened, I have given up hope on reading anything else HDTV-related AND non-satellite-related here.

The reason that this thread was created was for discussion focused around the general reception of HDTV in Hawaii. But recently, it seems to have been overwhelmed by Satellite Guy HI's posts about satellite dish-related info.

Whether those posts are informing people about HDTV though satellite dishes or promoting an interest that will benefit his personal business *depends on how you read them*. As a result, there seems to be less about *general* HDTV topics in Hawaii, and more about the satellite company offerings which coincidently... he sells in his store (if he's the owner of the store on King St.).

I'm aware that everyone has a right to post and speak about whatever they feel, as long as it's related to this *general* topic and abides by the Rules of the Forum. And I also understand that if no one else is contributing topics here except for Satellite Guy HI, there isn't going to be much else to read. But I'm just tired of endless posts about why DISH or DirectTV is better than Oceanic Cable.

Satellite Guy HI - if you're not the business owner on King St., then I sincerely apologize because that means you're contributing info that's simply related to satellite reception. However, if you *are* a part of the "Satellite Guy HI" store, then I'd suggest you lay off the heavy promotion of products/services that you could profit off of. Everyone would not react positively to a local TV retailer covertly posting about why a particular brand of TV is better than another for HDTV, especially when that particular brand is sold by them.

So thanks everyone, for the local HDTV info. It was fun while it lasted.

(disclaimer: I do not work for any local tv retailer, satellite company, local broadcaster or Oceanic Cable.)

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Mindbender,
Absolutely, last time I checked (Just a few seconds ago) this thread of 111 pages or so, was entitled 'Honolulu, Hi - HDTV' I do happen to have an oceanic/DirecTV/Dishnetwork account at my residence. As well, fairly informed on whats going on in my State, (Not just Honolulu) with oceanic/DirecTV/Dishnetwork and not just high def. but ESPECIALLY high def. And its true with ANY other post, or poster I try to impart a little of my experience onto others, and post what I believe is the best information my 8 years of experience can impart and especially the best way to go about getting High def. I have tried to do this without advertising one brand over the next And no I am not the owner of the store on King st, not quite sure why you would need to ask that since I am posting from 'Satellite Guy - Hi operations. At any rate, I honestly feel the best way to get High Def is with a decent off air antenna, ESPECIALLY if one is located in a high rise in town, if one is in a high rise and he or she has an exclusive use east facing lanai, I would point them in the direction of dish. There are cases where OTW is the best way to go, and I have expressed that. Even at that there are other options, options that you or others may not be aware of, that are worth exploring. And yes it was fun while it lasted, hopefully there are a few of my neighbors out there that are a little more informed!! :)

Disclaimer: I do work for a local satellite retailer and have not gained anything personally or monetarily for myself or the retailer that I work for in posting to this thread/forum.
lohas

I'll probably get flamed for this, but I don't really care at this point.

I'd previously requested that a separate thread be created so that this satellite-related info can be saved and expanded, because there is an obvious interest in satellite gear. But since this has not happened, I have given up hope on reading anything else HDTV-related AND non-satellite-related here.

The reason that this thread was created was for discussion focused around the general reception of HDTV in Hawaii. But recently, it seems to have been overwhelmed by Satellite Guy HI's posts about satellite dish-related info.

Whether those posts are informing people about HDTV though satellite dishes or promoting an interest that will benefit his personal business *depends on how you read them*. As a result, there seems to be less about *general* HDTV topics in Hawaii, and more about the satellite company offerings which coincidently... he sells in his store (if he's the owner of the store on King St.).

I'm aware that everyone has a right to post and speak about whatever they feel, as long as it's related to this *general* topic and abides by the Rules of the Forum. And I also understand that if no one else is contributing topics here except for Satellite Guy HI, there isn't going to be much else to read. But I'm just tired of endless posts about why DISH or DirectTV is better than Oceanic Cable.

Satellite Guy HI - if you're not the business owner on King St., then I sincerely apologize because that means you're contributing info that's simply related to satellite reception. However, if you *are* a part of the "Satellite Guy HI" store, then I'd suggest you lay off the heavy promotion of products/services that you could profit off of. Everyone would not react positively to a local TV retailer covertly posting about why a particular brand of TV is better than another for HDTV, especially when that particular brand is sold by them.

So thanks everyone, for the local HDTV info. It was fun while it lasted.

(disclaimer: I do not work for any local tv retailer, satellite company, local broadcaster or Oceanic Cable.)

The title of this thread reads "Honolulu, HI - HDTV".
It's very easy to skip over the Satellite posts if need be. If this thread was Honolulu, Hi - HDTV - Cable. Then I could understand. But with Dish/Diret getting into the HDTV game over here I can understand why we now have more posts on the subject. I for one enjoy reading about what Dish and Direct have to offer here in Hawaii. I think that TWC here in Hawaii monitor this thread. I hope that this will put some pressure on TWC to add more HD channels to their line up by years end. If Dish or Diret have 2x the HD channels that TWC has by years end. I know where my hard earned money will be spent. Nothing is stopping those that want a cable thread from starting one. I, for one, am happy with the way this thread has progressed lately. No flame intended. JMO.

Yes I was just starting to feel the same thing.. Satellite is not an option for the thousands of us who live in Condos and apartments. No cable equals no TV... HD is only available from Oceanic cable. Mostly I am happy with it... I want more channels. I want KHON to show primetime HD and CBS should be added. Some shows on PBS do seem to be HD. HBO is great in HD, Discovery is one of my faves.. Other than a few occasional problems I am very happy with cable.

Aloha ... brad

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Brad,
I like my cable too, its not bad as long as its the only option. Like you said no cable =no TV for some, I can tell you this I have been nothing but happy about roadrunner service going on 6 years now, but wont go back to the 145.00 monthly for Roadrunner/digital service. And sorry, never wanted to make you or others feel left out of the new stuff in HD. I get a little excited when I talk about or post about satellite, I dont realize sometimes it may appear odd to those that cant or dont have satellite transmission. Again I apologise
loha

Anyone getting FSN-HD tonight? Came home to watch the Dodgers-Padres game and 1226 on Maui is black. Called Oceanic and they said the HD broadcast doesn't mirror the SD side like other channels... what??? :confused: I asked if they were sure and they came back and said that I was right and they were having a problem with the HD feed. :mad: Can anyone confirm this? Thanks.

Anyone getting FSN-HD tonight? Came home to watch the Dodgers-Padres game and 1226 on Maui is black. Called Oceanic and they said the HD broadcast doesn't mirror the SD side like other channels... what??? :confused: I asked if they were sure and they came back and said that I was right and they were having a problem with the HD feed. :mad: Can anyone confirm this? Thanks.Nevermind. Just came on. Guess they forgot to "flip da switch." Dodgers down 7-2 bottom 5th. Oh well, at least it's in HD!!!

Anyone getting FSN-HD tonight? Came home to watch the Dodgers-Padres game and 1226 on Maui is black. Called Oceanic and they said the HD broadcast doesn't mirror the SD side like other channels... what??? :confused: I asked if they were sure and they came back and said that I was right and they were having a problem with the HD feed. :mad: Can anyone confirm this? Thanks.

Yawny. It's on here in Kihei.

Does that deal allow Oceanic to record PBS shows in true HD to adjust for the timeshift, thereby allowing for true HD broadcasts? Or is everything that we see just upconverted and possibly stretched versions of standard def shows?


KHET (PBS) is upconverting but does broadcast TRUE HD between between Midnight and 5:00am - their schedule for July 2007 can be found on their website

OK, I appreciate all the info provided by the Satellite Guy, but I really don't know how, pricewise, satellite HD can compare with cable HD. I currently have sd satelitte with the 24 inch dish - I called one of the local satellite provider offices (guess who) and was given an estimate of $400 to upgrade to HD. I would have to pay for a 30 inch dish, for installation, and for a new DVR, While certain rebates "might" apply, the least I could pay is about $275. That really seems to be a lot of money to pay so that I can spend even more money to buy Satelitte HD service each month. Am I missing something - is there some other sort of deal to be had? I would really like to know. My SO absolutely loves the Sat DVR, so she isn't ready to switch to cable.

OK, I appreciate all the info provided by the Satellite Guy, but I really don't know how, pricewise, satellite HD can compare with cable HD. I currently have sd satelitte with the 24 inch dish - I called one of the local satellite provider offices (guess who) and was given an estimate of $400 to upgrade to HD. I would have to pay for a 30 inch dish, for installation, and for a new DVR, While certain rebates "might" apply, the least I could pay is about $275. That really seems to be a lot of money to pay so that I can spend even more money to buy Satelitte HD service each month. Am I missing something - is there some other sort of deal to be had? I would really like to know. My SO absolutely loves the Sat DVR, so she isn't ready to switch to cable.

So which Satellite service are you with?

So which Satellite service are you with?

Dish Network

Charles O,

Charles O,

Have you been receiving KFVE HD through E*? OTA? I can't seem to receive either of them. At first I thought it was my OTA antenna, but I noticed I can't catch KFVE through E* either. I have no problems with the SD channel, though.

Thanks

KHET (PBS) is upconverting but does broadcast TRUE HD between between Midnight and 5:00am - their schedule for July 2007 can be found on their website
Hmm.. guess I'll have to check out the late night broadcasts then.

However, I've seen some shows on PBS during primetime that look very HD-like (such as Nova), but perhaps that is from very good upconversion?

OK, I appreciate all the info provided by the Satellite Guy, but I really don't know how, pricewise, satellite HD can compare with cable HD. I currently have sd satelitte with the 24 inch dish - I called one of the local satellite provider offices (guess who) and was given an estimate of $400 to upgrade to HD. I would have to pay for a 30 inch dish, for installation, and for a new DVR, While certain rebates "might" apply, the least I could pay is about $275. That really seems to be a lot of money to pay so that I can spend even more money to buy Satelitte HD service each month. Am I missing something - is there some other sort of deal to be had? I would really like to know. My SO absolutely loves the Sat DVR, so she isn't ready to switch to cable.

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Much to the shagrin of Mindbender9/OTW I will attempt to help on this one since it is specifically satellite related.
hanumanchan,
Another poster here was having same issue as yourself last month. He was as well getting some outrageous quotes. If you are a current subscriber to Dish and want to upgrade into High Def, you need to call the company that installed your original Dish system. Dish is offering a promotion for existing customers that will get you a Vip622 MPEG4 DVR, its a dual tuner receiver, so the tech can either put the receiver into 'single mode' or dual mode' in single mode you will be able to record 2 HD/SD channels at the same time while watching a previously recorded program off the hard drive. The 'modulated' feed if you choose to hook up the second TV is not full HD, you can still view the HD channels i.e. NFL channel HD, KGMB HD etc on that second standard TV, as a 'down converted' signal (NTSC) Still 480i pircture (coax cable feed), but very very clean.
If you are not sure who installed your system, call dishnetworks main number and ask them who your 'dealer on record' is. Contact that dealer and ask them for the 'Dish n it up' promotion. Costs? Vip 622, about 100.00 for the receiver and one hour of install time. Extra equipment needed : .76 (30 inch dish) tuned into satellite 110, DP LNB X2, and DP-34 switch. You may not need that second DP LNB if you have an existing DP system. Best way to determine this is to go to your dishnet receiver, hit menu, select option 6, menu #2 option 1, menu #3 option #1 which will be dish pointing, Check your switch, when the results comeback it will tell you if you have a older system (Legacey) or newer one (Dishpro, DP).
.76 dishes (Winegard brand) average about 89.00, DP LNBs average about 50.00, standard tech rate for the island about 65.00, DP-34 switches (Brings the signal of two different satellites together into one signal) about 80.00. Your overall cost will depend on what you have now for standard definition. Hope this helps!!

First a comment on the skirmish [not quite a war] re Satellite Guy: I think his posts have been relevant and informative and I hope he keeps posting. I skip the detailed posts on prices and rebates and such, it's not hard to do. The information on what is available from Dish and DirecTV is useful; I've subscribed to both of them in the past and quit because of the lack of HD programming. Now I've become a TiVo fanatic, which means a TiVo Series 3, which means I'm stuck with CableCards. But when OTW goes to switched digital, my TiVo Series 3 will become a paperweight and I'll be looking at alternatives again.

Which brings me to my real question: I've got a TiVo Series 3 HD which only accepts CableCards and OTA. A couple weeks ago I was psyched when I started getting ESPN2HD, but then it disappeared. I was also seeing the channel slot for Golf/Versus, but not getting anything. I called OTW who scheduled a repair appt. When the tech arrived, he told me that CableCards don't get ESPN2HD or Golf HD. Apparently, no new HD channels (except local ones) are going to be added to CableCards. Is anyone else seeing this, or am I getting bad info?

Same problen with ESPN2 and the golf/vs channel on my S3 tivo. Apparently these channels are available via the new Switched Digital Video (SDV) format that Time Warner is starting to roll out. If you check on the tivo comminuty boards you would see that there are others with the same problem. I don't think that Oceanic HAS to put these channels on their SDV pipe but they do so with spite to punish those of us who are not renting their digital cable boxes.

ESPN2HD looks great on the cable boxes. I dunno about cablecard. HGolf is almost all SD stuff...I finally saw some HD content a couple of days ago. Too bad about cablecard if that info is true.

Same problen with ESPN2 and the golf/vs channel on my S3 tivo. Apparently these channels are available via the new Switched Digital Video (SDV) format that Time Warner is starting to roll out.

So OTW is rolling out Switched Digital already? I thought it wasn't happening yet. That would explain why they are treating cablecards differently.

The rumour mill is in full swing on this one. Maybe someone on this forum knows why OTW doesnt have KGMB feed yet. I heard it was an issue with too little offered from OTW to give KGMB for 'HD rebroadcast rights'.
I do know that HD has been available on OTA for a while now, and weve been recording OTA HD KGMB with out any issues on a Dishnetwork HD DVR going on 3 or 4 years now. And about 2 weeks ago Dish launched KGMB HD, so local subscibers get 10 standard def locals, and anything available as a HD OTA signal on HD feeds for about 6.00 a month
I don't know about Oceanic and KGMB, but I've been watching KGMB's OTA digital signal for HD and it's been on again off again for a while. They show maybe one show in HD a night, sometimes none. You can't really count on a show being in HD. Of course something is better than nothing, but when the shows you watch aren't in HD and something else is, it drives you bananas! :(

I don't know about Oceanic and KGMB, but I've been watching KGMB's OTA digital signal for HD and it's been on again off again for a while. They show maybe one show in HD a night, sometimes none. You can't really count on a show being in HD. Of course something is better than nothing, but when the shows you watch aren't in HD and something else is, it drives you bananas! :(


You mean like showing "Jesse Stone" in HD at 10:40pm on Saturday Night, then only showing "Without a Trace" in HD on Sunday.

Charles O,

Have you been receiving KFVE HD through E*? OTA? I can't seem to receive either of them. At first I thought it was my OTA antenna, but I noticed I can't catch KFVE through E* either. I have no problems with the SD channel, though.

Thanks


Blank Screen for KFVE.

KHET (PBS) is upconverting but does broadcast TRUE HD between between Midnight and 5:00am - their schedule for July 2007 can be found on their website



On Dish, the EPG has KHET off air from Midnight to 5am. Blank Screen currently at 12:30am

The title of this thread reads "Honolulu, HI - HDTV".
It's very easy to skip over the Satellite posts if need be. If this thread was Honolulu, Hi - HDTV - Cable. Then I could understand. But with Dish/Diret getting into the HDTV game over here I can understand why we now have more posts on the subject. I for one enjoy reading about what Dish and Direct have to offer here in Hawaii. I think that TWC here in Hawaii monitor this thread. I hope that this will put some pressure on TWC to add more HD channels to their line up by years end. If Dish or Diret have 2x the HD channels that TWC has by years end. I know where my hard earned money will be spent. Nothing is stopping those that want a cable thread from starting one. I, for one, am happy with the way this thread has progressed lately. No flame intended. JMO.

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Megabyte,
I agree, Ive never intentionaly stepped on anyones toes, a little friendly jabbing maybe, but no toe stepping. OTW has nothing to fear, they do have a 24 inch dish on their roof over their exec offices, but it hasnt been used for over 5 years now....maybe they should re-think getting new dish eqt so they can at least keep tabs on what is going on out there in the HD arena.
And yea, I feel the same whoever has the most HD is going to be the go - to service, with all the flat pannels being sold locally there is quite a rush to provide the most HD content. Maybe OTW will be THAT service at years end? Not sure but as things look now and are forcasted, DirecTV looks as though they are going to win the race with a projected 100+ HD channels, quite often this info is released to generate buzz, but in this case it looks like DirecTV will follow through, there are 2 satellite launches planned before the end of the year. As far as most HD right now, Dishnetwork is leading with about 20 HD's (This includes PPV HD, Starz, Cinemax off of satellite 129, locals), OTW I believe is at about 10, if someone out there has a more accurate number on OTW HD, pls post
lohas

Anyone having issues with KFVEHD and KHNLHD? KHNL digitizing on today show.

Blank Screen for KFVE.


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Same here, I cant believe the issues with KFVE and KHNL havent been solved yet, maybe a bigger issue then expected?

On Dish, the EPG has KHET off air from Midnight to 5am. Blank Screen currently at 12:30am


The late nite feed (with HD) is only for Oceanic customers...

E

The late nite feed (with HD) is only for Oceanic customers...

E

On TWC guide. The channel guide for PBS (ch 11) has the early morning program shows listed from midnight to 5:00am. But the HD ch 1010 program guide shows the midnight to 5:00am as "sign off". No shows listed for that time frame on HD. I'm not up that late but will set the DVR to record tonight to see if anything is showing. Sometimes I am up early (4:00am :eek: ) I'll look for a show next time that happens.

On TWC guide. The channel guide for PBS (ch 11) has the early morning program shows listed from midnight to 5:00am. But the HD ch 1010 program guide shows the midnight to 5:00am as "sign off". No shows listed for that time frame on HD. I'm not up that late but will set the DVR to record tonight to see if anything is showing. Sometimes I am up early (4:00am :eek: ) I'll look for a show next time that happens.


It's on all night. I've seen it.

E

On TWC guide. The channel guide for PBS (ch 11) has the early morning program shows listed from midnight to 5:00am. But the HD ch 1010 program guide shows the midnight to 5:00am as "sign off". No shows listed for that time frame on HD. I'm not up that late but will set the DVR to record tonight to see if anything is showing. Sometimes I am up early (4:00am :eek: ) I'll look for a show next time that happens.

There was a documentary on the Iraq war last night around 2am. Also a doc. on Ken Burns and some kind of doc. he's working on and it was all in HD. Looked very nice, although there was pixeling break up stuff going on once and a while. I did notice that there wasn't anything listed in the program guide though.

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As far as most HD right now, Dishnetwork is leading with about 20 HD's (This includes PPV HD, Starz, Cinemax off of satellite 129,
lohas


Satellite Guy HI,
Talking with the sales people here on Maui and they indicated that we cannot be authorized to receive satellite 129. Is this true? Or do I just need to point a third dish at it and call Dishnetwork?

You mean like showing "Jesse Stone" in HD at 10:40pm on Saturday Night, then only showing "Without a Trace" in HD on Sunday.
Yep, those guys drive me nuts...

Satellite Guy HI,
Talking with the sales people here on Maui and they indicated that we cannot be authorized to receive satellite 129. Is this true? Or do I just need to point a third dish at it and call Dishnetwork?

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I believe, (Dont get mad at me if I am wrong) If you have Cinemax, starz, on your current account and have the 'Hawaii/Alaska/Porto Rico/Virgin Islands HD package (10.00 a month) and a Vip 211 or Vip 622 DVR, Orbits 119/110/129 the Cinemax HD, and Starz HD (Starz HD In MPEG 4) should come in without calling dish. They 'turned' those on for Hawaii a few weeks ago. Im getting about 70--something signal on a 1.0 mtr channel master (Andrews corp) dish. 'Check your switch' Once your Vip receiver recognizes 129, and you get a fresh programming guide downloaded, you will see a bunch of other HD channels 'in the red' meaning the receiver sees them, but you will need to call dish to get them added to your account. As it stands now dish is not releasing those 15 or so channels yet ('VOOM HD') to the Hawaii/Alaska/PR/VI market, we should see this happen though in the next few months, AND get this, they will all be in MPEG4! :)

Happy 4th everyone be safe, see you on Thurs.
lohas

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I believe, (Dont get mad at me if I am wrong) If you have Cinemax, starz, on your current account and have the 'Hawaii/Alaska/Porto Rico/Virgin Islands HD package (10.00 a month) and a Vip 211 or Vip 622 DVR, Orbits 119/110/129 the Cinemax HD, and Starz HD (Starz HD In MPEG 4) should come in without calling dish. They 'turned' those on for Hawaii a few weeks ago. Im getting about 70--something signal on a 1.0 mtr channel master (Andrews corp) dish. 'Check your switch' Once your Vip receiver recognizes 129, and you get a fresh programming guide downloaded, you will see a bunch of other HD channels 'in the red' meaning the receiver sees them, but you will need to call dish to get them added to your account. As it stands now dish is not releasing those 15 or so channels yet ('VOOM HD') to the Hawaii/Alaska/PR/VI market, we should see this happen though in the next few months, AND get this, they will all be in MPEG4! :)

....do I really want to add another dish just so I can see Sin-a-max in HD. Hmmmm. :)

There was a documentary on the Iraq war last night around 2am. Also a doc. on Ken Burns and some kind of doc. he's working on and it was all in HD. Looked very nice, although there was pixeling break up stuff going on once and a while. I did notice that there wasn't anything listed in the program guide though.
I've noticed that breaking up too. Maybe they're starved for bandwidth. A bigger problem I have is with scheduling. The supposed "HD PBS schedule" on the PBS Hawaii website is incorrect and unreliable. Last night it said NOVA now at midnight but got POV instead. Previous nights were wrong too. Looks like the best way is to use the older program (View magazine) for its after-midnight-cable schedule, which usually runs to 3AM.

I suppose my best effort to catch any of these programs is to set my DVR from midnight to about 3AM, and then edit out what I want -- at least until the whole matter is believable.

Is anyone having problems receiving KFVE via an OTA antenna. I haven't been able to receive it for the past few days. I used to be able to receive it with no problems up until a few days ago. I'm also not able to receive it through my Sat., but am able to receive the SD signal. Thanks

I wonder how long we have to wait until the new cablecard slot becomes the standard. Guess I'll wait just a little longer to get my new tv. http://starbulletin.com/2007/07/04/business/engle.html

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Megabyte,
I agree, Ive never intentionaly stepped on anyones toes, a little friendly jabbing maybe, but no toe stepping. OTW has nothing to fear, they do have a 24 inch dish on their roof over their exec offices, but it hasnt been used for over 5 years now....maybe they should re-think getting new dish eqt so they can at least keep tabs on what is going on out there in the HD arena.
And yea, I feel the same whoever has the most HD is going to be the go - to service, with all the flat pannels being sold locally there is quite a rush to provide the most HD content. Maybe OTW will be THAT service at years end? Not sure but as things look now and are forcasted, DirecTV looks as though they are going to win the race with a projected 100+ HD channels, quite often this info is released to generate buzz, but in this case it looks like DirecTV will follow through, there are 2 satellite launches planned before the end of the year. As far as most HD right now, Dishnetwork is leading with about 20 HD's (This includes PPV HD, Starz, Cinemax off of satellite 129, locals), OTW I believe is at about 10, if someone out there has a more accurate number on OTW HD, pls post
lohas

Satellite Guy HI
I really don't think you were stepping on anyones toes in here. Personally, I feel that there is a bit of uneasiness in the TWC camp. Those few who are complaining about the satellite posts in this thread, at least to me, comfirms my feelings. ;)

Here is the latest HD channel lineup for TWC;
1003-HKHON
1006-4HDT
1008-HKHNL
1010-HKHET
1216-HGOLF
1222-ESPNH
1224-HESP2
1226-FSNHD
1333-HDDSC
1347-HDNG
1355-HDNET
1553-TNTHD
1561-MOJO
1603-HDMOV
1605-HDUNI
1611-HDTV
1633-HDSHO
1700-HPPPV
1990-HDoD
Thats 17 if you exclude the last 2. Or 15 if you exclude HBO n SHO, which you have to subcribe to in order to get those in HD. I subcribe to HBO n SHO. I pay more for those 2 HD channels than I do for the 15 channels in TWC's HD package. I wish that those HBO n SHO HD channels were included in their HD package. I never watch the HBO n SHO on SD channels so I'm thinking of dropping them. Direct's new bird is going up this Friday from the Baikonur Cosmodrome in Kazakhstan. This is the bird that will carry the new 100 HD channels :p

Satellite Guy HI
I really don't think you were stepping on anyones toes in here. Personally, I feel that there is a bit of uneasiness in the TWC camp. Those few who are complaining about the satellite posts in this thread, at least to me, comfirms my feelings. ;)


Jeez. Let me say AGAIN that I don't work for any media outlet or cable company or satellite broadcaster or satellite retailer or local broadcaster or anything retail.

I simply stated my opinion in an earlier thread... just as Satellite HI Guy has the same right to state his opinion (and does so).

Even MegaByte can say what he wants, once he gets his head out of his rear.

And for the record, I have no great love for TWC either. The pixelization and soft HD quality can be a bit frustrating, but I have no other way to consider an alternative since I live in an apartment.

Everybody feel better now? Great.

....do I really want to add another dish just so I can see Sin-a-max in HD. Hmmmm. :)

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Hummmm, SkinamaxHD yea, how many versions of 'Bikini amazonian warriors meet the ex porn stars' can one handle? :eek:

Is anyone having problems receiving KFVE via an OTA antenna. I haven't been able to receive it for the past few days. I used to be able to receive it with no problems up until a few days ago. I'm also not able to receive it through my Sat., but am able to receive the SD signal. Thanks

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g182237,
Just checked KFVE HD STILL down, wasnt able to check the OTA, but if OTA is down then sounds like they may have pulled it off air for repairs. I had planned to call to see if they were offering any explainations, but short on time. And same here on the SD signal off of 119 shot beam, it seems to be ok, not the greatest video but its coming in.

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Hummmm, SkinamaxHD yea, how many versions of 'Bikini amazonian warriors meet the ex porn stars' can one handle? :eek:


SatGuy,

Question: FSN West and Prime Ticket in HD are also at 129...by chance are they also available in Hawaii?

It would make my decision easier. :D

SatGuy,

Question: FSN West and Prime Ticket in HD are also at 129...by chance are they also available in Hawaii?

It would make my decision easier. :D

This would make my decision easier also, except I'm looking at the Starz pack. What channel is Prime Ticket?

Is there a camp? No I don't think so. Unfortunately for those of us who are living in apartments there are no other choices at the moment. I think competition is great in the Hawaii TV market. I hope it pushes TWC to keep improving. In the meantime I am really enjoying HD TV and I want more channels.

They say they now have 19 HD channels.

Aloha..brad

g,

FSN Prime Ticket is ch. 361-Tp. 8 on 129
FSN West is ch. 367-Tp. 8 on 129

Much like Oceanic, the feeds are only active during live events.


In Hawaii on the SD side, FSN West(ch. 417 on 119) is available to all subs of AT100+ and above.
FSN Prime Ticket(ch. 411 on 110) is available in the Multi-Sport Package($6 extra).

g,

FSN Prime Ticket is ch. 361-Tp. 8 on 129
FSN West is ch. 367-Tp. 8 on 129

Much like Oceanic, the feeds are only active during live events.


In Hawaii on the SD side, FSN West(ch. 417 on 119) is available to all subs of AT100+ and above.
FSN Prime Ticket(ch. 411 on 110) is available in the Multi-Sport Package($6 extra).

If I subscribe to the Starz pack, will I be able to see FSN West in HD off of 129? I understand only their live events will be in HD. Hoping for HD college football.

Thanks

So OTW is rolling out Switched Digital already? I thought it wasn't happening yet. That would explain why they are treating cablecards differently.

My coworker and I both noticed that we couldn't get ESPN2HD and GolfVS on our S3 Tivos. He called Oceanic and they confirmed that those two stations are switched. He complained enough that they gave him a cable box at no charge so he can still watch those stations. I don't really want the box but I may push to get the same deal just to show OTW my displeasure. It's one thing to put new stations on SDV, but moving existing stations over is quite another. :mad:

My coworker and I both noticed that we couldn't get ESPN2HD and GolfVS on our S3 Tivos. He called Oceanic and they confirmed that those two stations are switched. He complained enough that they gave him a cable box at no charge so he can still watch those stations. I don't really want the box but I may push to get the same deal just to show OTW my displeasure. It's one thing to put new stations on SDV, but moving existing stations over is quite another. :mad:

But snakpak, those are new stations!

-E

Hawaiian Telcom has gotten their 9th 120 day extension before the DCCA-CATV renders a decision on their Oahu franchise request.

http://www.hawaii.gov/dcca/areas/catv/cable_operators/hawaiian_telcom/Applicants_9th_Request.pdf

Oceanic Time Warner has notified DCCA-CATV their intent to renew their Oahu cable franchise, which expires in 2009.

http://www.hawaii.gov/dcca/areas/catv/cable_operators/oceaniccable/oahufranchiserenewal/

Charles O,

Since I started getting my HD locals from E* a few weeks ago, I noticed that channels I receive off of 110 sometimes give me the "check switch" message. These channels include my HD locals, UNIHD, ESPNHD, ESPN2HD, HDNET, HDNET movies, NFLHD, TNTHD, DSCHD. All of these channels I receive from 110. Now, here is the interesting part. When I change to one of these channels, I sometimes get the check switch message. The picture and audio start to clip. But, if I hit the guide button, I can see and here the channel in the little box in the upper right hand corner. As soon as I hit "view live TV", I get the check switch message. I usually hit "ok" or "cancel". Sometimes it fixes itself, while at other times I need to go to another channel and then use the guide to get back to the channel I had problems with before it fixes itself. Could you explain this to me.

What size of Dish you have for Sat 110 ? If you have 24" dish for the 110 it for the spotbeam HD only. But you Guide still list all those channel for the 110. Every single time if you tune to the 110 sat that is not the HD channel you will have those error message with the check switch. Because there is no signal on the 110 sat other than spotbeam onfor 24" Dish

What size of Dish you have for Sat 110 ? If you have 24" dish for the 110 it for the spotbeam HD only. But you Guide still list all those channel for the 110. Every single time if you tune to the 110 sat that is not the HD channel you will have those error message with the check switch. Because there is no signal on the 110 sat other than spotbeam onfor 24" Dish

I have no idea what you just said. But, it can't be the size of my dish that's the problem because I had a 1.2m dish installed for the 110 sat. Could someone else help? Thanks

I have no idea what you just said. But, it can't be the size of my dish that's the problem because I had a 1.2m dish installed for the 110 sat. Could someone else help? Thanks


I have done all of my own installs E*. I would first try a reboot of the receiver by unplugging it and letting it reboot from scratch.

Then I would check the dish to make sure it is peaked in on satellite 110. The smallest error in pointing the dish can make a large difference in the reception of signals.

It is not particularly easy to peak the dish unless you have the proper tools to determine bit error rates. If you do not have the proper tools to fine tune it, I would suggest a call to your installer.

Have you looked to see what the signal strength is when your receiver is looking at one of your high definition signals?

If you have a VIP622 or a VIP211, you can check the signal strength by pressing the menu button, on your remote, followed by 6,1,1. You will then see the screen where it says point dish and satellite 110 should be listed along with the transponder it is looking at.

Once you have seen the signal strength, you can press the cancel button repeatedly until you are back at the channel you were viewing.

The higher signal strength the better. On my one meter dish I get a signal strength of 104 on TNT. Signals down in the fifties are probably not good enough for HD.

I have no idea what you just said. But, it can't be the size of my dish that's the problem because I had a 1.2m dish installed for the 110 sat. Could someone else help? Thanks


OK Who install you dish and What is you signal strenght for 110 sat

Any luck with OTA HD in Hawaii Kai?

Several weeks ago I posted that I was no longer picking up KHET-DT OTA. Since BlueBtl said he still had it, I thought I'd wait until I could carry out more tests before asking for more help. I receive 11.2/Create fine (and even get a decent if snowy Channel 11 analog picture), as well as all the other channels I'm interested in. On 11.1 however I get a blank screen (ditto for 5.1, BTW). This is with a variety of antennas at a variety of locations/heights/orientations. I finally thought to try a different tuner, and with that I can get 11.1, but not well. So, my question is, is there any reason why 11.1 should be coming in so much worse than 11.2? Is my best bet at this point to get a better antenna? (I can easily build a db4 or db8 antenna and mount it fairly high, but since everything else comes in with a double-bowtie even at floor level, it seems unlikely that signal alone is the problem.)

Thanks for any ideas. - DR

OK Who install you dish and What is you signal strenght for 110 sat

TNTHD 107

Several weeks ago I posted that I was no longer picking up KHET-DT OTA. Since BlueBtl said he still had it, I thought I'd wait until I could carry out more tests before asking for more help. I receive 11.2/Create fine (and even get a decent if snowy Channel 11 analog picture), as well as all the other channels I'm interested in. On 11.1 however I get a blank screen (ditto for 5.1, BTW). This is with a variety of antennas at a variety of locations/heights/orientations. I finally thought to try a different tuner, and with that I can get 11.1, but not well. So, my question is, is there any reason why 11.1 should be coming in so much worse than 11.2? Is my best bet at this point to get a better antenna? (I can easily build a db4 or db8 antenna and mount it fairly high, but since everything else comes in with a double-bowtie even at floor level, it seems unlikely that signal alone is the problem.)

Thanks for any ideas. - DR

Can't comment on 11.1, but there's definately a problem with 5.1. That's KFVE's digital feed that Dish also gets, but I haven't been able to get that channel (5.1) either OTA or through Dish for over a week now. I think it has somthing to do on KFVE's end.

But snakpak, those are new stations!

-E

Depends on how you define "new". I was getting ESPN2HD perfectly fine on my S3 until they converted the channel to SDV. To me, it is an existing station that I can no longer receive.

Depends on how you define "new". I was getting ESPN2HD perfectly fine on my S3 until they converted the channel to SDV. To me, it is an existing station that I can no longer receive.

Those were the last 2 HD stations to be added...we just got 'em over here in June.

-E

Several weeks ago I posted that I was no longer picking up KHET-DT OTA. Since BlueBtl said he still had it, I thought I'd wait until I could carry out more tests before asking for more help. I receive 11.2/Create fine (and even get a decent if snowy Channel 11 analog picture), as well as all the other channels I'm interested in. On 11.1 however I get a blank screen (ditto for 5.1, BTW). This is with a variety of antennas at a variety of locations/heights/orientations. I finally thought to try a different tuner, and with that I can get 11.1, but not well. So, my question is, is there any reason why 11.1 should be coming in so much worse than 11.2? Is my best bet at this point to get a better antenna? (I can easily build a db4 or db8 antenna and mount it fairly high, but since everything else comes in with a double-bowtie even at floor level, it seems unlikely that signal alone is the problem.)

Thanks for any ideas. - DR

I get "3 bars" on both 11.1 and 11.2 on my Sammy 260 STB, but haven't got anything on 11.1 except for a little while when KHET first went digital. I'm in Mililani, so KHET antenna is about 90 degrees away from the ones in town, where I have my receive antenna pointed. I can't get 5 or 13 either, so I assumed it was a reception issue. Maybe 3 bars is good enough for the lower data rate 11.2 but won't hack it for the higher res data rate on 11.1?

scott s.
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Depends on how you define "new". I was getting ESPN2HD perfectly fine on my S3 until they converted the channel to SDV. To me, it is an existing station that I can no longer receive.
To me, whether they are new is beside the point. I feel like I'm paying for them (actually paying for them 2x since I've got two cards in my S3), and I'm not getting them. Just doesn't seem right.

Several weeks ago I posted that I was no longer picking up KHET-DT OTA. Since BlueBtl said he still had it, I thought I'd wait until I could carry out more tests before asking for more help. I receive 11.2/Create fine (and even get a decent if snowy Channel 11 analog picture), as well as all the other channels I'm interested in. On 11.1 however I get a blank screen (ditto for 5.1, BTW). This is with a variety of antennas at a variety of locations/heights/orientations. I finally thought to try a different tuner, and with that I can get 11.1, but not well. So, my question is, is there any reason why 11.1 should be coming in so much worse than 11.2? Is my best bet at this point to get a better antenna? (I can easily build a db4 or db8 antenna and mount it fairly high, but since everything else comes in with a double-bowtie even at floor level, it seems unlikely that signal alone is the problem.)

Thanks for any ideas. - DR

I emailed KHET tech guy and he mentioned that it was equipment problems. Go to 18.1 for PBS. You may have to type it in manually. I say manually because on my sony KDS50A2000 it wont set the channel. 5.1 is also dead on my end. Good luck.

I have a Samsung DTB-H260F OTA HD tuner paired up with an indoor antenna. I do not receive KHNL and KHET. I live on the University AVE. Is it my set-up or are there issues with the above channels? If it is my set-up then would an amplified indoor antenna get me the missing channels?

Mahalo
Vatraps

I emailed KHET tech guy and he mentioned that it was equipment problems. Go to 18.1 for PBS. You may have to type it in manually. I say manually because on my sony KDS50A2000 it wont set the channel. 5.1 is also dead on my end. Good luck.
I tried 18.1 (as you'd suggested earlier) -- nada. This is on a Samsung SIR-TS360 tuner, which used to pull in nice pictures on 11.1 (giving a negative answer to scott967's suggestion). The tuner on our TV is the one that will pull in 11.1 (as I mentione above), but it is a hassle to use that tuner (since the Tv can be in cable or antenna mode, but not both, and loses all programming when you switch).

If I get ambitious I'll try a bigger antenna. - DR

I tried 18.1 (as you'd suggested earlier) -- nada. This is on a Samsung SIR-TS360 tuner, which used to pull in nice pictures on 11.1 (giving a negative answer to scott967's suggestion). The tuner on our TV is the one that will pull in 11.1 (as I mentione above), but it is a hassle to use that tuner (since the Tv can be in cable or antenna mode, but not both, and loses all programming when you switch).
Sorry about that. You could also try surfing manually in the 11's and the 18's. For example KGMB, virtual is 9.1 and the actual channel should be 22.1, I get nada on 22.1. One day I had time on my hands and decided to surf the 22's and what do you know KGMB is on 22.3. Tuners certainly arent all equal. I have hooked up Mitsubishi, Sharp, Sony, all seem to tune diffrently especially Sharp.

If I get ambitious I'll try a bigger antenna. - DR
Bigger is always better but I would not try so hard anymore myself, with news that KHET HD is going/or already on Oceanic Digital, the only holdout left is KGMB HD. After all my researching my antenna is more or less a sculpture now. :eek:

Bigger is always better but I would not try so hard anymore myself, with news that KHET HD is going/or already on Oceanic Digital, the only holdout left is KGMB HD. After all my researching my antenna is more or less a sculpture now. :eek:
We're hoping to wean ourselves off Cable, so the more that can be seen in HD OTA, the better. - DR

Anyone with E* HD locals notice a line periodically running horizontally across their screen when watching KITV? Almost as if the image is bending or overlapping? Sorry, can't think of the words to describe it. If you've seen it, you'll know what I'm talking about. Thanks

I guess that "Satellite Guy" is done pitching his products.

I am watching the Dodgers-Giants game in HD on the Fox Sports channel. This is the first time I have ever seen anything broadcast on this channel.

I'm very impressed with the picture quality. It would be wonderful if there was more programming shown.

Anyone with E* HD locals notice a line periodically running horizontally across their screen when watching KITV? Almost as if the image is bending or overlapping? Sorry, can't think of the words to describe it. If you've seen it, you'll know what I'm talking about. Thanks


I guess that "Satellite Guy" is done pitching his products.

No, I think Satellite Guy is "done" answering questions like yours. Too bad. It was nice to have someone in the Sat. biz to take the time to come in here to answer questions. Can't really blame him. Oh well....

Does anybody know why PBS HD is only on Oceanic 1010?

Are satelite guys recieving PBS HD?

Like a fool, I waited till midnight last friday to watch nature OTA and what do you know PBS signes off at midnight. I reread their annoucement on their website and it says Oceanic 1010. WTF, I thought this was a public station. I emailed PBS and still no answer as to why on the Oceanic exclusivity.

Does anybody know why PBS HD is only on Oceanic 1010?

Are satelite guys recieving PBS HD?

Like a fool, I waited till midnight last friday to watch nature OTA and what do you know PBS signes off at midnight. I reread their annoucement on their website and it says Oceanic 1010. WTF, I thought this was a public station. I emailed PBS and still no answer as to why on the Oceanic exclusivity.


It's a closed-circuit pass-through feed off of the satellite to Oceanic. DISH and DirecTV do not have such a capability. KHET does go off the air at Midnight.

What is the HD package quality resolution for most channels? I have an older HDTV and it's probably maxed at 720p. What's the model number for the HD-DVR to ask for?

I was recently informed while visiting BestBuy that there were changes in the reception of Directv on Oahu and multiple large dishes are no longer necessary which was confirmed when I called directv (although I don't fully trust a salesperson who seemed to be guessing), is this true? What would I need for equipment if I want a lot of SD channels and the most HD channels possible? What is the quality of HD on Directv, 1080i or 720P? Thanks.

This evening I switched to the TV's built-in ATSC tuner so that we could get KHET-DT OTA and watch the Hockney show in HD. It came in well. We'd tuned in early, and before that show was some kind of odd documentary, also in HD, which seemed to be about chubby people torturing ferrets. The sound was screwed up - all the background sound was there (ferrets squealing, cheesy Muzak soundtrack), but the voiceover (which I could hear on analogue Channel 11 or cable Channel 10) was gone. Did anyone else watch the ferret thing in OTA HD, if so did you experience the same sound problems? - DR

What is the HD package quality resolution for most channels? I have an older HDTV and it's probably maxed at 720p. What's the model number for the HD-DVR to ask for?

i think they only have one HD-DVR -- the 8300HD. The software it uses is SARA, which is pretty awful (crappy search feature is my main complaint) but it gets the job done. TW is rolling out new software called Navigator that has had problems early on but hopefully will be working well by the time it hits us.

The HD channels in general look good. I'm not sure what the resolution is. A couple of channels look soft and have pixelation sometimes (especially the HDNETs). I think OTW must do some kind of rate shaping that causes this.

Our HD line-up is pretty decent these days and with them implementing switched digital here we should hopefully have room for many more channels soon.

We're hoping to wean ourselves off Cable, so the more that can be seen in HD OTA, the better. - DR

Considering that OTA HD is limited to broadcast networks . . . that's more akin to starvation on a restricted calorie diet, not weaning. ;)

Considering that OTA HD is limited to broadcast networks . . . that's more akin to starvation on a restricted calorie diet, not weaning. ;)
80% of what we watch off-network is movies, and with the money saved from cable we can max out on DVD rental services. Many of the remaining shows are available in other ways. - DR

Hello,

I'm a current DirecTV subscriber mainly for the NFL Sunday Ticket. I'm considering getting an HDTV and I am having a hard time figuring out what local channels are on DirecTV in HD (and in general, are CW included?)

Dish Network seems to have a great lineup (see below).

DirecTV only shows that local channels exist and I cant search to see which are in HD, and if things like the KHON owned CW channel exist. Any/all help appreciated.

Thanks!

Ardent

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The Dish Network Local Lineup:

Station Local Channel Number Dish Channel Number
HONOLULU ABC-KITV 4 8900
HONOLULU ABC - KITV IN HD 5655
HONOLULU CBS-KGMB 9 8901
HONOLULU CBS - KGMB IN HD 5659
HONOLULU DIGITAL CW - KHON2 5669
HONOLULU FOX-KHON 2 8903
HONOLULU FOX - KHON IN HD 5667
HONOLULU IND-KBFD 32 8906
HONOLULU IND-KWHE 14 8907
HONOLULU DIGITAL IND - KHNL2 5665
HONOLULU IND - -KWHE1 DIGITAL SIMULCAST 5679
HONOLULU DIGITAL IND - KITV2 5657
HONOLULU IND - -KIKU1 DIGITAL SIMULCAST 5682
HONOLULU IND-KIKU 20 8908
HONOLULU MNT-KFVE 5 8904
HONOLULU MNT - KFVE IN HD 5671
HONOLULU NBC-KHNL 13 8902
HONOLULU NBC - KHNL IN HD 5663
HONOLULU PBS-KHET 11 8905
HONOLULU PBS- KHET IN HD 5674
HONOLULU PBS - -KHET2 DIGITAL SIMULCAST 5675

dr0s,

KHET OTA sends out 2 audio streams on 18.1 . On my Sony tv if I hit the GUIDE button
it puts up a display showing the station name, channel #,info about the show and a window
to pick audio 1 or audio2 .On some shows like Nature audio 1 has a voice describing what the picture looks like--"THE BIRD SITS IN A LARGE TREE...." . It runs in between the real annoncer of the story. It is for the sight impaired so they can follow the story. On audio 2 is the regular audio like you would hear on analog 11. My tv defaults to audio 1 so to remove the extra audio comments I have to change my sound to audio 2. Sometimes a show has no sight impaired audio so the default [audio 1] sounds odd on my tv. So I have to manually change to audio 2. This may be what you heard.

James

dr0s,

KHET OTA sends out 2 audio streams on 18.1 . On my Sony tv if I hit the GUIDE button
it puts up a display showing the station name, channel #,info about the show and a window
to pick audio 1 or audio2 .On some shows like Nature audio 1 has a voice describing what the picture looks like--"THE BIRD SITS IN A LARGE TREE...." . It runs in between the real annoncer of the story. It is for the sight impairedI don't think it was this; on 11.1 the ferret-torturer was moving her lips but you couldn't hear anything but the background Muzak, on 11 or cable 10 she was actually saying something over the Muzak. However, next time I notice something like this I will try cycling through the TV's audio settings to see if any of them cure it. - DvF

I would consider myself a pretty savy computer guy...and I have memberships to many forums...but for the life of me, I cannot figure out how to post a new thread on this forum. Please someone, help me see the forest that I am sure is right under my nose.
Thank you.
MidRatz

Ok. Did I just do it? If so, why is the link called "post reply". To me that says, respond to someones already existing post, not create a new post/thread. I fully expected my first post to show up as a reply to someone elses post. Now I am even more confused.

Bottom line: where is the "post new thread" button that all other forums have?

Bottom line: where is the "post new thread" button that all other forums have?
The "post new thread" button doesn't appear within other threads like the one you are posting in now. It only appears on the main forum pages.

Bottom line: where is the "post new thread" button that all other forums have?

midratz;
Click on the (go) to the right of the Local HDTV Info and Reception Forum Jump at either the top or the bottom of the last reply on this page, there you will find a New Thread Tab to the left.

My first real post for this forum is in hopes of finding someone who lives in the Airport Region, specifically the Radford Terrace area - someone who has already figured out what sort of HD antenna to buy for this area, which way to point it, and what channels you manage to get. I live on McCurry Pl. which is at the edge of a cliff that overlooks all those warehouses near Honolulu. I have a clear unobstructed view of honolulu, and the ko'olau Mt's. I suspect that I am in a good position to get whatever is being broadcast leeward side, except maybe if something is being broadcast in the kapolei area. Where are the primary transmitters for the local stations?

I have a Samsung SIR-T165 Terrestrial Reciever, and a Sharp Z5 720p Projector ready to paint 103" of (free) Over The Air programming onto my wall (soon to be Goo Systems Home built screen), but have not bought an HD Antenna yet. I do not watch enough TV to subscribe to expensive cable, nor satellite. High Speed Internet and a terrestrial reciever has been enough for me (in Charlotte NC).

I am hoping I have a similar experience here in Oahu.

Can someone out there help me out a bit?
Thank you very much!

MidRatz

Ok. I get it. Thanks. I DO want to just click "post reply", since "Honolulu, HI HDTV" is the thread I need to be in for my type of question. Ok. Sorry for being such a dolt.

You can go to tvfool.com, which is pretty good for coverage. I took a look at your location, and it looks to me like you should have a straight shot to the antennas. Most of them are located down by the Century Center area about 130 degrees from you. The other ones are almost 180 the other way, on the ridge above Makakilo. So you might need a rotatable antenna unless you have something simple that's omnidirectional like a bowtie.

scott s.
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dr0s,

KHET OTA sends out 2 audio streams on 18.1 ...
Well, I take it back - it looks like you were right. During Miss Marple tonight I had the narration voice you mention. On my TV's tuner there seems to be no way to turn it off/change audio track. (I can do this with my STB, except with that I cannot tune 11.1.) So, it looks like I'm stuck. - DvF

Todays "USA Today" newspaper featured an update on HDTV nationally. Here are the highlights

HD has a 30-36% penetration in US homes at 52 million. 20% have more than one HDTV capable set.

About half of those with HDTV sets are NOT getting any HD programming. The estimate is that only 44-53 % of HDTV owners are getting HD.

2/3rds of the viewers get their HD via cable. 27% via Sat and 3% via Fiber

CNN HD to launch in the fall, along with History HD.

Food Network is converting their Chelsea Market studios to HD for Emeril, Iron Chef and Rachel Ray. Most of the other shows, shot offsite, are already HD.

Dish has the most ambitious plans, 100 national channels by year's end.

Actually, there are literally dozens of new HD channels going live in the next 6 months. Both CNN HD and TBS HD are in September. HBO is going to have all 14 of their services in HD this Fall. DirecTV will be carrying virtually all of the new ones at their launch...other providers will slowly pick 'em up.

-E



Todays "USA Today" newspaper featured an update on HDTV nationally. Here are the highlights

HD has a 30-36% penetration in US homes at 52 million. 20% have more than one HDTV capable set.

About half of those with HDTV sets are NOT getting any HD programming. The estimate is that only 44-53 % of HDTV owners are getting HD.

2/3rds of the viewers get their HD via cable. 27% via Sat and 3% via Fiber

CNN HD to launch in the fall, along with History HD.

Food Network is converting their Chelsea Market studios to HD for Emeril, Iron Chef and Rachel Ray. Most of the other shows, shot offsite, are already HD.

Dish has the most ambitious plans, 100 national channels by year's end.

dr0s,
One of the selling points of digital tv given to the public was multiple audio and video streams from the same transmitter--just look at the good job KAAH does- 5 shows at once. I don't watch any of it but you have to give them A+ for being on the cutting edge. SO I think your tv must have a way to pick what audio you want. Maybe you have to dive deep into your owners book good luck . As a side note I can't figure out why KHET (OTA) puts the alternate sound track as the #1 default sound. So every time you tune them in you have to change to track #2 to get rid of under comentary. O well I guess this is one of their lesser problems --- They can't even show up on the right channel. They, however, are doing better than K-5 who don't show up OTA at all. Maybe KAAH can lend out their techs because they seen to know how it do dig-e-tel.
good luck James.

midratz,
http://www.lumenlab.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=9613&hl=antenna&st=0
follow this link to make your own antenna . I made one just for fun and it worked pretty good here in Pearl City. I can pick up KHON 2.1 and 2.2--- KHNL 13.1 and 13.1---- K5 5.1 when they are on the air(not for the past 2-3 month) KHET(PBS) main on 18.1- Creat tv(an arts&crafts PBS sub station) on 11.2 and various independent stations --- With it just siting on top of my tv.
My real antenna is a--FISHBONE--- type that you are seeing more and more of on roof tops all across OAHU. good luck James

Does anyone watch MeadowLand on Showtime HD?

Do you see macro-blocking on fade transitions? I am enjoying the series but picture quality is not great. HBO series look great... but Tutors and now Meadlowland on showtime not great.

THE TUDORS looked and sounded spectacular all season on SHOWTIME HD here on Da Big Eyeland.

-E

THE TUDORS looked and sounded spectacular all season on SHOWTIME HD here on Da Big Eyeland.

-E

I kept getting these pixels when scenes did slow fades one into the other.. This is on Oceanic in Waikiki. Anyone else? thanks...

http://www.westhawaiitoday.com/articles/2007/07/28/local/local08.txt

"The company also plans to launch the high definition version of Honolulu CBS affiliate KGMB in time for the start of the National Football League season in September, he said."

http://www.westhawaiitoday.com/articles/2007/07/28/local/local08.txt

"The company also plans to launch the high definition version of Honolulu CBS affiliate KGMB in time for the start of the National Football League season in September, he said."

About bloody time!!!

http://www.westhawaiitoday.com/articles/2007/07/28/local/local08.txt

"The company also plans to launch the high definition version of Honolulu CBS affiliate KGMB in time for the start of the National Football League season in September, he said."

I'll believe it when I see it.

http://www.westhawaiitoday.com/articles/2007/07/28/local/local08.txt

"The company also plans to launch the high definition version of Honolulu CBS affiliate KGMB in time for the start of the National Football League season in September, he said."


We'll see. Be nice to finally get CBS HD here.

and fox is supposed to be primtime HD in 2 weeks!!! I really hope so this time :)

Yay, Fox and CBS? Finally!

I kept getting these pixels when scenes did slow fades one into the other.. This is on Oceanic in Waikiki. Anyone else? thanks...

I too, get pretty bad macroblocking and pixelization on some of Showtime's programming. Meadowlands seems to be the worst, but any sort of strobe or flashing will cause that too (on Showtime).

Dexter seemed to be the best looking show (cleanest pic and my favorite show) along with Weeds. Movies look ok in HD.

Offhand, I think HBO's HD quality has also diminished a bit, now that I think about it.

"The company also plans to launch the high definition version of Honolulu CBS affiliate KGMB in time for the start of the National Football League season in September, he said."

im in honolulu, but we get all the neighbor isle papers here. just got that paper in the mail today (monday) and was about to post the news. i was reading and fricken nearly jumped outta my chair from the excitement. but like others, i'll believe it when it happens :)

Does anyone know what the real equipment requirements are to receive HD programming from DirecTV are? I have been a subscriber of DirecTV mainly for the Sunday Ticket and was told two years ago that to receive HD I would have to install a second dish. Calls to DirecTV are frustrating at best as there are not many knowledgeable customer service reps and the local installer does not return calls. I currently have a 1 meter dish to get all the SD and special sports programming. I do receive certain games in HD but do not have access to the other HD offerings. With the new satellite in service will HD service be available to Hawaii with only a single dish?

Does anyone know what the real equipment requirements are to receive HD programming from DirecTV are?

Aloha, rvolner.
I have HD Direct TV. I have 2 large dishes and HD capable receivers. I believe you still need the second dish to point to the satellites with most of the HD programing.

TWOC/KGMB HD not-so-news from the Honolulu Advertiser:

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2007/Aug/04/ln/hawaii708040334.html


First paragraph:

"A continuing disagreement between the state's largest cable TV provider, Oceanic Time Warner Cable, and CBS affiliate KGMB 9 will prevent cable customers from watching CBS broadcasts of National Football League games in the increasingly popular HDTV format."

TWOC/KGMB HD not-so-news from the Honolulu Advertiser:

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2007/Aug/04/ln/hawaii708040334.html


First paragraph:
Wow, same old dispute. Now I thought it was the old owners that wanted to be compensated. I guess I was wrong......

I guess I am not watching KGMB, only some football and the news sometimes. Quite a shame really.

This could be a silly question but are any of the Time Warner outlets across the country broadcasting CBS in HD? If so, what kind of arrangement was reached in those areas? Why can't a similar arrangement be reached in Hawaii?

This could be a silly question but are any of the Time Warner outlets across the country broadcasting CBS in HD? If so, what kind of arrangement was reached in those areas? Why can't a similar arrangement be reached in Hawaii?
I thought I'd read that as a matter of policy, TWC doesn't pay NBC/ABC/CBS/FOX or their affiliates extra for the HD simulcast channels. I'd be interested to know for sure what the deal is in this regard. And I wouldn't be surprised if Hawaii was the largest market that didn't have all the majors in HD on cable.

it's very bad business on the part of KGMB. there has to be many other people like me who refuse to check out any new shows on CBS (and i mean any at all) because they are not available in HD. there are enough shows on tv now that i will just watch something on another channel or something that i have DVR'd.

i couldn't tell you a single new show that came on CBS last year. and i won't know any that start this fall either if we don't have CBS HD on Oceanic Time Warner.

What bothers me is the fact that Oceanic lied in that WHT article.

"The company also plans to launch the high definition version of Honolulu CBS affiliate KGMB in time for the start of the National Football League season in September, he said."

On a related note, I wonder what is Oceanic's carriage agreement with KHNL, KITV, and PBS. Are they getting compensated for their signal ? If they are getting compensated, why cannot KGMB accept the same agreement ?

On a related note, I wonder what is Oceanic's carriage agreement with KHNL, KITV, and PBS. Are they getting compensated for their signal ? If they are getting compensated, why cannot KGMB accept the same agreement ?


All the other local stations have cross-marketing agreements.
They provide the content(additional channels), Oceanic gives them an audience.
Oceanic makes money by having subs upgrade to receive the content, the stations make money by having more channels to sell advertising on.

KGMB only has KGMB, they have no other content to offer. The only way this will change is if KGMB adds a digital sub-channel and that content is of such value that Oceanic and KGMB can make money on it.

What bothers me is the fact that Oceanic lied in that WHT article.

"The company also plans to launch the high definition version of Honolulu CBS affiliate KGMB in time for the start of the National Football League season in September, he said."

On a related note, I wonder what is Oceanic's carriage agreement with KHNL, KITV, and PBS. Are they getting compensated for their signal ? If they are getting compensated, why cannot KGMB accept the same agreement ?
I don't think they are lying in that article. The key word in that article is "plans".

But there is still a chance they could iron out a deal before the start of the football season. We just have to keep our fingers crossed at this point.

This could be a silly question but are any of the Time Warner outlets across the country broadcasting CBS in HD? If so, what kind of arrangement was reached in those areas? Why can't a similar arrangement be reached in Hawaii?

Of course...many of them. But this has nothing to do with CBS. KGMB is a CBS affiliate, but they are not CBS owned-and-operated. So Time Warner must deal with the station's owner to reach an agreement. I had heard a couple of weeks ago that the feeling around the hallways of Oceanic is that there will be little problem in reaching a deal with the new owner to carry KGMB's digital signal. It's just that there have been no discussions with them as yet.

-Eric

The main purpose for me to go Dish was getting golf on KGMB. As for golf goes they have the best picture. A lot better then KITV (TNT) and KHNL. I still have cable online with Warner $45 and sat $52. The only draw back is sat start up cost but, there is DIY satellite setups if you don't mind setting it up your self its not that really difficult. Your can buy all the equipment online and call Dishnet direct by passing the installers inflated equipment cost.

The main purpose for me to go Dish was getting golf on KGMB. As for golf goes they have the best picture. A lot better then KITV (TNT) and KHNL. I still have cable online with Warner $45 and sat $52. The only draw back is sat start up cost but, there is DIY satellite setups if you don't mind setting it up your self its not that really difficult. Your can buy all the equipment online and call Dishnet direct by passing the installers inflated equipment cost.

I agree, golf on KGMB HD looks really nice. Better than other networks, even UNIHD, IMHO. Too bad some of E*s other local HD channels are messed up. I have E* too by the way.

Haven't been able to get any of the recent Dodgers/Angels games on FSN-HD. :mad: Called Oceanic and they said they've been having trouble with the HD feed from the mainland. :confused: Anyone else having problems? Wouldn't have anything to do with ESPN2 and that Bonds guy would it??? :rolleyes:

Not seeing today's Angels-BoSox game either.

I don't think they are lying in that article. The key word in that article is "plans".


I invite you to read the Honolulu Advertiser article (http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070804/NEWS01/708040334/1001) and the WHT article (http://www.westhawaiitoday.com/articles/2007/07/28/local/local08.txt) . Read it more than once, if it doesn't sink in that
the VP of Operations at Oceanic Cable lied.

I invite you to read the Honolulu Advertiser article (http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070804/NEWS01/708040334/1001) and the WHT article (http://www.westhawaiitoday.com/articles/2007/07/28/local/local08.txt) . Read it more than once, if it doesn't sink in that
the VP of Operations at Oceanic Cable lied.

One more reason to switch to Direct or Dish

Haven't been able to get any of the recent Dodgers/Angels games on FSN-HD. :mad: Called Oceanic and they said they've been having trouble with the HD feed from the mainland. :confused: Anyone else having problems? Wouldn't have anything to do with ESPN2 and that Bonds guy would it??? :rolleyes:

Called Oceanic myself yesterday. I also called them last Friday (Dodgers / Diamondbacks), they told me that the technicians were working on it. However, it was working fine Saturday. Somebody isn't telling us the whole story.

We'll have to see later today if it's the same thing. I will be demanding a refund if it isn't resolved.

Called Oceanic myself yesterday. I also called them last Friday (Dodgers / Diamondbacks), they told me that the technicians were working on it. However, it was working fine Saturday. Somebody isn't telling us the whole story.

We'll have to see later today if it's the same thing. I will be demanding a refund if it isn't resolved.

Same thing today. No Angels/RedSox game on FSNHD. Called Oceanic again. Said they were having network problems from the mainland. I asked about a credit for the missed games (3 so far). They said a credit will be added to my account. We'll see what happens.

Same thing today. No Angels/RedSox game on FSNHD. Called Oceanic again. Said they were having network problems from the mainland. I asked about a credit for the missed games (3 so far). They said a credit will be added to my account. We'll see what happens.No game again today either. So I call Oceanic again and they tell me the same thing again... Mainland problem. They tell me the game is on "regular" FSN. I say I know, but that's why I pay you for HD service, to see the games in HD. They apologize and say they're "working on it". I say ok and ask for a credit and get put on hold. When they come back they tell me my next months bill will show a $1.39 credit. A $1.39?!?!?!?! Thanks Oceanic!!!

When they come back they tell me my next months bill will show a $1.39 credit.
You really took it to them. Way to go Yawny! Don't spent it all in one place! :D

Does anyone know what the real equipment requirements are to receive HD programming from DirecTV are? I have been a subscriber of DirecTV mainly for the Sunday Ticket and was told two years ago that to receive HD I would have to install a second dish. Calls to DirecTV are frustrating at best as there are not many knowledgeable customer service reps and the local installer does not return calls. I currently have a 1 meter dish to get all the SD and special sports programming. I do receive certain games in HD but do not have access to the other HD offerings. With the new satellite in service will HD service be available to Hawaii with only a single dish?

that is what Directv has been saying --- one dish
but, I think they are saying 5 lnb's which probably isn't on your dish
so I think this means upgrade of the dish
let me know if you find out anything

No game again today either. So I call Oceanic again and they tell me the same thing again... Mainland problem. They tell me the game is on "regular" FSN. I say I know, but that's why I pay you for HD service, to see the games in HD. They apologize and say they're "working on it". I say ok and ask for a credit and get put on hold. When they come back they tell me my next months bill will show a $1.39 credit. A $1.39?!?!?!?! Thanks Oceanic!!!

That's more than I thought. I wonder how they came up with that figure? We have what 15 HD channels at 6.99 / month?
What really sucks is that we missed three good games in HD.

that is what Directv has been saying --- one dish
but, I think they are saying 5 lnb's which probably isn't on your dish
so I think this means upgrade of the dish
let me know if you find out anything

I just picked up the DirecTV HD DVR from Best buy and thought I had the right dish, but apparently I do not. I have been told I need a 5 LNB dish as well, and to think, my current dish is barely a year old!

- Ardent

I invite you to read the Honolulu Advertiser article (http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070804/NEWS01/708040334/1001) and the WHT article (http://www.westhawaiitoday.com/articles/2007/07/28/local/local08.txt) . Read it more than once, if it doesn't sink in that
the VP of Operations at Oceanic Cable lied.
I think Pollack and Santos are not on the same page. And I thought it was the same guy telling the WHT paper another story, while the Advertiser another story.

Bottom line is, we will have to just wait it out.

I think Pollack and Santos are not on the same page. And I thought it was the same guy telling the WHT paper another story, while the Advertiser another story.

That is pretty obvious that neither is on the same page. Although its pretty pathetic when the Vice President of Operations spews this misinformation.
I believe Normam Santos is second in command behind Nate Smith, which makes his comments even more irritating.

Called Oceanic again tonight regarding FSN-HD. Let me see if I can explain it the way they told it to me. According to their technicians, the reason for the outage is that the Satellite Fox Sports broadcasts on is on the fringes that Oceanic can pick up. Sometimes they get it, sometimes they don't.

They are going to keep working on it. However, she told me that the channel may go away if they can't resolve the problem.

Personally I think it's a bunch of B.S. How come all of a sudden they're having problems picking up the signal?

i usually dont watch morning programming unless it's sports, but this morning i turned on my tv and found bars on my khon digital channel. i use a tuner using the oceanic signal so for me it's channel 85.3
i was just wondering if all you guys were seeing bars too or if it's just me. i checked the regular cable signal and khon is on the air.
here's hoping that they're "working" on improvements to make primetime HD.

As an Oceanic customer,I am getting spoiled by watching sports in HD. TNT broadcast the PGA championship in HD this morning. It was terrific. Watching the non-HD broadcast on CBS is okay but nothing like the TNT broadcast. Are the satellite and OTA folks receiving the CBS broadcast in HD? If so, how does it look?

I am not sure if CBS is showing the tournament in HD. I was just curious how it looks.

Had color bars for KHON-DT on both Dish and OTA, now showing regular programming.

Yes, the PGA is in HD on KGMB. Looks identical to the TNT telecast.

What do you know? FSN-HD was coming in fine last night. So what was the real story last week?

i meant to post this update sooner, but never got around to it. i called khon and they supposedly gave me to an "engineer" he sounded like an idiot. at first i thought they were playing a phone prank. from what i gathered, they were just having issues with their equipment and were in the process of repairing it hence the random outages. lame. no word yet when primetime fox programming will go HD.

Not the Cincinnati Reds, the color red. If anyone is watching the Angels/Yankees game right now, go back and forth between FSN-HD and ESPN2-HD and take a look at the difference in the color red in the Angels uniforms (caps, batting helmets etc.). On FSN it looks red, like it's supposed to. On ESPN2-HD it looks orange. It's the same through either HDMI or Component. Anyone else see the same thing???

CNN HD Sept 1, TBS HD Oct1 & Dec Ocean sports channel. Just got off the phone with Oceanic.

TBS HD Oct1.

Just in time for MLB Playoffs.

DirecTV seemed to have added CBSHD West Coast (LA) feed on Channel 81 for me without asking for it.

Anyone else notice that? Its on my recent activity for 8/16/07 when viewing charges ($0 charge) and I can now view the channel.

- Ardent

I couldn't watch the Oceanic HD broadcast of the Angels-Yankee game last night on either the ESPN or Fox West HD due to the breakup and screen freezes, so I watched in in rather crappy SD on the digital tier.

I never watch KGMB r/t Oceanic/KGMB Crap. I'm going to a Dish. I hope some idiot from either camp reads this. Or better yet, their advertisers.

I need some clarification please.

1. Because of the time delay, the local stations need to tape the West/East coasts HD feed so it can be rebroadcasted at the correct time. Meaning they must buy in new equipments in order to give us some HD programs.

2. KHON-HD doesn't do it yet but has the capability to do it in the future? Which is why channel 1003 only shows an SD version of everything (except live HD feed).

3. KITV-HD shows some popular HD shows in primetime on 1006.

4. KFVE-HD is not available on TWC (why?) but is available OTA. Like KHON, it doesn't broadcast MyNetwork shows in HD?

5. KGMB-HD is only available OTA and have been broadcasting primetime shows in HD when they feel like it? These past 2 weeks CSI was in SD. Don't know about the rest of the programming.

6. PBS-HD only shows HD programming between 12am-6am because they don't have an HD hard drive to tape the mainland HD feed and the rest is SD?

7. KHNL-HD shows some primetime shows in HD like KITV-HD.

Except for live feed in HD (mostly sports), the only 2 stations broadcasting HD shows are KITV and KHNL so far?

Hopefully, in the distant future, KGMB, KFVE, and the CW will be added to the Oceanic HD list? And will double our cable bill to pay for the compensation asked by those stations to give an HD feed to Oceanic TWC?

Question for those of you with a SA 8300HD from Oceanic. Do you know how many hours of programming you can store? Also do any of you have an external esata drive attached? If so do any of you have any recommendations on a esata drive in the 750-1tb range?? Does Oceanic allow this? Thinking about ditching my S3 Tivo :(

Can someone on Oceanic please check 1605 HDUNI

I get this channel is not available at this time.

Thanks....

Can someone on Oceanic please check 1605 HDUNI

I get this channel is not available at this time.

Thanks....

It's working. I was watching Monk last Sunday.

1605 HDUNI is working fine for me tonight too.

Question for those of you with a SA 8300HD from Oceanic. Do you know how many hours of programming you can store? Also do any of you have an external esata drive attached? If so do any of you have any recommendations on a esata drive in the 750-1tb range?? Does Oceanic allow this? Thinking about ditching my S3 Tivo :(

i think they say it can do 20 hours of HD content or 90 hours of SD content but i may be remembering that wrong. it's not enough really. mine did fill up once and it messed up some of my series recordings (have to wait for a 4400 marathon now).

i don't have an esata but i assume it would work here since it works in other places. there is a thread about it in the recording forum if you don't mind advice from non-local folkers...

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=516559

and there is a tips and tricks thread...

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=471859

overall it is kind of a crappy box but it gets the job done. the main problem now is the horrible search feature. we will get the new navigator guide at some point, hopefully after it has been beta tested in other time warner locations.

I couldn't watch the Oceanic HD broadcast of the Angels-Yankee game last night on either the ESPN or Fox West HD due to the breakup and screen freezes, so I watched in in rather crappy SD on the digital tier.

I have no idea what's going with FSN-HD. It was fine last week when the Dodgers were at home against Houston. It was breaking up last night, and there was nothing tonight. I'm tired of calling Oceanic and basically telling me there's a problem between here and the mainland. So far I've missed five Angel games in HD (3 against Boston, and the last two against New York).

Question for those of you with a SA 8300HD from Oceanic. Do you know how many hours of programming you can store? Also do any of you have an external esata drive attached? If so do any of you have any recommendations on a esata drive in the 750-1tb range?? Does Oceanic allow this? Thinking about ditching my S3 Tivo :(
I have the 500GB version of this (http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info.asp?pfp=BROWSE&N=200112+400093+4294967095&Ne=301050&product_code=341416) Seagate drive. Comes w/ esata cable. It's an old model, don't know if it's available anywhere. Works ok. I just noticed that the drive clicks every 5 minutes if I turn the box off or am watching something that can't be recorded, like on demand stuff. If I leave the box on, no clicks. Also, after a power outage I have to turn the drive back on and then reboot the 8300HD after that in order for it to be recognized. Other than that, I leave the drive on 24 hrs.
CNN HD Sept 1, TBS HD Oct1 & Dec Ocean sports channel. Just got off the phone with Oceanic.
Thanks for the update.

DirecTV seemed to have added CBSHD West Coast (LA) feed on Channel 81 for me without asking for it.

Anyone else notice that? Its on my recent activity for 8/16/07 when viewing charges ($0 charge) and I can now view the channel.

- Ardent

my account is currently suspended and I am getting ready to turn it back on
I have one dish with H20 HD box

are you getting this HD feed with your one 3 lnb dish? ---- what is your dish/equipment set-up?

my account is currently suspended and I am getting ready to turn it back on
I have one dish with H20 HD box

are you getting this HD feed with your one 3 lnb dish? ---- what is your dish/equipment set-up?

You need two dishes. They are both huge, and point generally in the same direction. On my dish, the cables from the HD dish go to the other dish, and then down and into the house. I bought the HD DVR @ best buy for $299 and it came with free installation of the dish is free with the purchase).

Additionally, you need a B-Band converter at each of your boxes. Lastly, If you want local channels, you need the B-Band converter plus a player able to decode MPEG4 streams.

It is very hit-or-miss calling DirecTV to get someone who knows what you need. Summary
- 2 large dishes to get all 5 satellite feeds
- b band converters for each box
- boxes that support mpeg4

If you have more questions, let me know.

This setup will only be good until the new satellite, D10 is lit up. At that time all the HD channels Directv offers will be moved to the new bird at 103. We currently get our local channels via a spotbeam from 103 but I think to continue receiveing HD channles or to get access to the new channels will require repositioning the second dish. I have called directv repeatedly to find out if we would be able to get HD service with only a single dish like everyone else in the US but have been unable to get a certified answer!

This setup will only be good until the new satellite, D10 is lit up. At that time all the HD channels Directv offers will be moved to the new bird at 103. We currently get our local channels via a spotbeam from 103 but I think to continue receiveing HD channles or to get access to the new channels will require repositioning the second dish. I have called directv repeatedly to find out if we would be able to get HD service with only a single dish like everyone else in the US but have been unable to get a certified answer!

If I already get locals on 103 then why would I need to reposition it for the HD channels if thats where they move to? I was told a year ago I only needed one dish to get all future HD channels, but two weeks ago that wasn't the case. Maybe I only need the 2nd dish during this interim time until all the HD's move to D-10?

It would be nice to get rid of one of these monster dishes.

Speaking of breaking up...is anyone else's Golf (1216) completely unwatchable?

I think OTW is messing around with the bandwidths again. Two nights ago Mojo had terrible pixleation issues. Now it's perfect...

Just a side topic: anyone hear anything about HistoryHD? That could be a fine addition (IMO)...

Have a killer weekend everyone...football is almost upon us...

I stopped being able to get HDUNI... repair guys coming on Tues. I have never had a problem like this with a single HD channel. It is one of those switched channels.

About TBS...

TBS announced today that it will launch a High-Definition channel on September 1.

The announcement was reported today by Mediaweek.

TBS had already revealed its intention to provide a HD simulcast of its standard definition signal, but this is the first time it has offered an actual launch day.

DIRECTV has said it will carry TBS HD this fall.

TBS' high-def lineup will include several original series such as My Boys and repeats of popular sitcoms such as Seinfeld and Friends. The latter two programs are expected to be converted to the 1080i HD format.

The network also has the rights to broadcast early round games of Major League Baseball's playoff series in October.

“With the launch of TBS in HD, we will bring an outstanding line-up of comedy programming to our viewers in a video format that is on the fast track to becoming the industry and consumer standard,” Steve Koonin, president of Turner Entertainment Networks, said in a statement. “We are extremely proud to bring TBS to the HD world.”

This setup will only be good until the new satellite, D10 is lit up. At that time all the HD channels Directv offers will be moved to the new bird at 103. We currently get our local channels via a spotbeam from 103 but I think to continue receiveing HD channles or to get access to the new channels will require repositioning the second dish. I have called directv repeatedly to find out if we would be able to get HD service with only a single dish like everyone else in the US but have been unable to get a certified answer!

I had one CSR saying I was good to go when the newbird is on --- but she sounded like a twelve year old that just wanted to complete the call

if I wasn't so lazy I would mail off a letter to try to find out what is going on
DTV really has no interest in Hawaii --- they were just forced into this by the FCC

Well, it is official now. Got my letter from Oceanic yesterday. As of September 24, cablecard customers will not be able to receive a whole bunch of SD channels that I don't care about plus every HD channel except the networks, Discovery HD, and TNT HD. It probably won't be long before DHD and TNTHD are added to the list.

I'm holding out hope that TiVO will figure out a way to retrofit my Series 3 to get around the SDV mess, but for now I guess I have to get a set top box. :mad:

I refuse to give up my TiVO, so my plan is to split the cable and only watch the cable box for the channels the TiVO can't get, despite the inconvenience.

snakpak

Yea... got my letter too... This sucks cause now I have to use their crappy SA8300HD DVR. I'm yanking my CC's and trading them in today. At least I'll save $20/month. Gonna hang onto my S3 and hope they get that SDV fix implemented someday.

I have to give Props to Oceanic today. For a week I could not get HDUNI 1605. A tech came out on Tuesday and could not solve it... then yesterday I got a call and 5 techs and the forman had arrived with a portable HD system and testing equipment. It was like a party over here. It was kind of fun actually, lots of joking... but they got to work and isolated and solved the problem. It turned out to be aging wires inside the wall of our apartment. They pushed new ones in from outside and rewired everything with new wire. It is working great today. They were nice people and they really took care of us. I thought I should thank them publicly for the great service.

A little bit off-topic but Hawaiian TelCom has announced that their new DSL speeds (11mb up/1mb down) are now available in some areas.

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2007/Aug/29/br/br6402385971.html

Bringing it back on topic a little bit, the CEO is quoted as saying "Our investment in our next generation High-Speed Internet provides broadband access using the most advanced technology available and brings us another step closer to priming our network for the delivery of our digital video service."

Hopefully that will include HD.

Unfortunately the new speeds are not yet available in Kaneohe. But the CSR said the more calls they get from a particular area, the more likely that area will get the new speeds.

I have not seen any anouncements yet on channel 0911 regarding any new HD channels coming in September. I guess no CNN-HD tomorrow.

CNN-HD currently only has an agreement with DirectTv. Don't get your hopes to high on seeing this today, or anytime soon.

The US Open was on OTA HD on KGMB this morning; spectacular! The HD seems to me to help tennis more than other sports, since the ball goes from nearly invisible to quite clear with the change in resolution. (The aspect ratio is not so important for tennis though, the way it is for football and soccer.) Too bad this was not listed as "HD" in the titanTV guide, or else I would have been up at 5 to watch it from the beginning.

A bit off-topic, but does anyone know of any online directly service that includes the Oceanic analogue lineup between Ch. 28 and 46? These channels are absent for all the online guides I know (titan, yahoo, zap2it, etc.), and all the stations for which I subscribe to cable are in that range. - DR

CNN-HD currently only has an agreement with DirectTv. Don't get your hopes to high on seeing this today, or anytime soon.

I did call this morning and they have a bulletin that says it starts today. The fellow did not know why it was not listed. He is supposed to call me back when he finds out.

The US Open was on OTA HD on KGMB this morning; spectacular! The HD seems to me to help tennis more than other sports, since the ball goes from nearly invisible to quite clear with the change in resolution. (The aspect ratio is not so important for tennis though, the way it is for football and soccer.) Too bad this was not listed as "HD" in the titanTV guide, or else I would have been up at 5 to watch it from the beginning.

A bit off-topic, but does anyone know of any online directly service that includes the Oceanic analogue lineup between Ch. 28 and 46? These channels are absent for all the online guides I know (titan, yahoo, zap2it, etc.), and all the stations for which I subscribe to cable are in that range. - DR


dr0s,

I know it's humbug, but the way to do it with TitanTV is to manually add the missing channels in.
You select "Customize", under "Channel/Callsign" enter "USA" as an example and add as channel "29".
A pulldown menu will list matching channels, in this case use USA-W for USA Network West Coast Feed and select "Add" to add to lineup.
Golf for 30, FSN-PT for 31, and so on.

Best I can offer up.

Charles

You need two dishes. They are both huge, and point generally in the same direction. On my dish, the cables from the HD dish go to the other dish, and then down and into the house. I bought the HD DVR @ best buy for $299 and it came with free installation of the dish is free with the purchase).

Additionally, you need a B-Band converter at each of your boxes. Lastly, If you want local channels, you need the B-Band converter plus a player able to decode MPEG4 streams.

It is very hit-or-miss calling DirecTV to get someone who knows what you need. Summary
- 2 large dishes to get all 5 satellite feeds
- b band converters for each box
- boxes that support mpeg4

If you have more questions, let me know.


--- if any day now D10 is going to be turned on with full HD service to Hawaii with one dish --- then anyone getting 2 dishes put on their roof right now should probably wait --- IMHO

This setup will only be good until the new satellite, D10 is lit up. At that time all the HD channels Directv offers will be moved to the new bird at 103. We currently get our local channels via a spotbeam from 103 but I think to continue receiveing HD channles or to get access to the new channels will require repositioning the second dish. I have called directv repeatedly to find out if we would be able to get HD service with only a single dish like everyone else in the US but have been unable to get a certified answer!

One 1.2m dish is for 99 Ka/101 Ku/103 Ka and the second is for 110/119 Ku.
I'm unable to find where I read it, but DirecTV recently made a statement that the existing HD feeds would stay on 110/119. I think there are a lot of commercial NFL-ST establishments who don't have Ka capability yet, so the NFL-HD, ESPN, ESPN2, etc. feeds will stay on Ku @ 110/119 (for now, but who knows what happens next year).
The 'new' HD channels and the HD locals will be off DTV10@103 Ka...will be interesting to see how Ka band is affected by rain-fade. Maybe they'll put the existing HD chs. on 103 as well as 110/119.(?)

Btw, am I the only one who doesn't see KHNL-HD listed on DISH Network?

--Michael