I changed from Oceanic to DirecTV last October.
Like at 7:00PM am i watching primetime like i normally would or would i have to watch like 3-5 hours earlier?
Situation is the same as for Oceanic, so far as I know. I see in the posting above that Charles O refers to Oceanic delaying feeds, but I don't know what he's referring to. I don't think DirecTV delays anything.
hows the clarity for SD/HD on channels here in hawaii with satellite. Since its 100% digital is it better than that of cable,
I don't notice any overall difference between Oceanic and DirecTV in picture quality or sound quality -- they're both all over the map, and it just depends on the channel. Being 100% digital is no guarantee of quality. But of course HD is usually better than SD, and DirecTV has more HD ...

With a minor and presumably temporary exception, I don't see pixelization or other artifacts, like audio lag or stutters, on DirecTV. I see reports of such problems from other users over the country, so I couldn't say that you wouldn't have reception difficulties. But I don't, with the exception of 9-12 SD channels that are currently mostly unwatchable because of signal loss. Starting in mid July, when DirecTV started turning up Ka band signal levels from their newest satellite D11, for subscribers in Hawaii, this interfered with the Ku band signals from two transponders of the satellite(s) at 101 degrees.

DirecTV says they're working on the problem, but right now, no fix is in sight. Last week I had their technicians (from Ironwood) at my house trying fruitlessly to restore my service. The fact that there was no hope of them fixing it didn't prevent them from charging me over $80 for the service call, and right now I am really annoyed with DirecTV. In over 15 years with Oceanic, I never had a problem like this. Whatever problems I had were dealt with promptly and with no extra charges.

Oceanic does delay a small number of SD basic channels, USA being the one of them.
It's done mostly to max out ad rates for some programming, in USA's case WWE which is very popular in Hawaii.

I talked to an oceanic customer service rep and told her that i'm planning on downgrading my service to just basic cable. Also asked if I'll continue to receive the unencrypted HD stations, but she said after Feb 2009 it'll be taken off. Is this illegal or does the fcc mandate just apply to the analog digital stations? I'm confused.

Edit: So it looks like they will most likely just broadcast the analog on digital unencrypted. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20171271-local-HD-channels~start=20

from Kona: a year ago I bought a TiVo HD, called OTWC for a CableCard install and learned they had just changed to the new switched digital video (SDV) broadcast standard and that cable cards alone would not work (and that TiVo would not work w/ STB, either). I, sadly, returned the TiVo HD unit. (and with the arrival of the HD TiVo unit, my wife had been on the verge of forgiving me for upgrading to HD in the first place and bringing that SA 8300 box into our life).

Recently (last week) read on a different forum that the hardware was finally available AND that TWC finally got access to some of these new (USB?) dongles that allow the TiVo unit to converse with the OTWC server. I stopped in the local OTWC office today to inquire about availability and they had no idea what I was talking about. (not surprising, since a relatively high-up OTWC tech knew nothing about them last year when I was trying to install the HD TiVo).

Does anybody know if these units are available in HI yet and, if so, how to get one? I would desperately love finally be rid of that worthless POS SA8300. (how can ANYBODY say they like them that has even used a TiVo unit!)

aloha,
DrNorm

But I don't, with the exception of 9-12 SD channels that are currently mostly unwatchable because of signal loss. Starting in mid July, when DirecTV started turning up Ka band signal levels from their newest satellite D11, for subscribers in Hawaii, this interfered with the Ku band signals from two transponders of the satellite(s) at 101 degrees.


Could you list some of those "9-12 SD channels", Greg?
I'm having a hard time understanding how "turning up Ka band signal levels" interfered with Ku band signals since they are -many- GHz. apart.

Mahalo,

--Michael

Could you list some of those "9-12 SD channels", Greg?
I'm having a hard time understanding how "turning up Ka band signal levels" interfered with Ku band signals since they are -many- GHz. apart.

Last I checked (on Aug 13) the following channels showed at least some pixelization and some 771 loss of signal errors: 226, 246, 261, 303, 309, 328, and the test channel 491. Some are unwatchable. According to channel-transponder maps published at dbstalk.com, these are all on transponder 2 of the 101deg. satellite except for 309 (GSN), which is on transponder 1 of that satellite. This list of channels does not include SD channels which have HD counterparts on the same channel number, because the HD channels come from a different satellite.

Does it make any sense that Ka band signals might interfere with Ku band signals? I don't know. I'm just giving you the most coherent story I've been able to piece together. It's a fact that when the BBC devices attached between the satellite receiver and the dish antennae are removed, there is no longer a problem receiving the above SD channels. Looking at the signal strengths displayed by the satellite receiver, with the BBCs in place, the signal for transponders 1 and 2 of satellite 101deg. is 0, but with the BBCs removed and the dishes connected directly to the receiver, the signals are in the mid 80s, which is a satisfactory level.

Perhaps it's reasonable to conclude that the interference between Ka band and Ku band takes place in the BBC devices, but what the frequencies are at this point in the signal chain or what exactly the BBC does and why it's not working right, are matters I can't explain.

I just switched to basic now i can't catch KGMB (99.3) did the channel move, or do they just filter it out? (I can catch all the other basic HD stations).

Does it make any sense that Ka band signals might interfere with Ku band signals?

The satellites themselves transmit at (Ku) 12GHz. and at least 18GHz. (Ka), so no, those signals would not interfere with each other.

It's a fact that when the BBC devices attached between the satellite receiver and the dish antennae are removed, there is no longer a problem receiving the above SD channels. Looking at the signal strengths displayed by the satellite receiver, with the BBCs in place, the signal for transponders 1 and 2 of satellite 101deg. is 0, but with the BBCs removed and the dishes connected directly to the receiver, the signals are in the mid 80s, which is a satisfactory level.

Well, you've discovered the problem right there...that shouldn't happen. My sigs. from 101, xpndr. 1/2 are 85/77 -with- the BBC.

Perhaps it's reasonable to conclude that the interference between Ka band and Ku band takes place in the BBC devices, but what the frequencies are at this point in the signal chain or what exactly the BBC does and why it's not working right, are matters I can't explain.

The BBC 'upconverts' the Ka-lo sigs., which were 'downconverted' in the LNBF from 18 GHZ. to 250-750MHz. and put on the wire. The receiver can't see that frequency range, so it's upconverted to 950-1450 MHz (or 1650-2150...I can't remember). That cable has 13/18 VDC and 22MHz. tone on it to control the switch at the 99/101/103 dish, so the BBC can cause strange problems. What's strange here (to me) is that only two xpndrs. are being affected.
I'd get a couple of new (free) BBCs if you haven't already.
http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/global/contentPage.jsp?assetId=P4200018

If that isn't the problem, then I'd be looking at the switch.
How long is the cable run?

In any event, the " turning up Ka band signal levels from their newest satellite D11, for subscribers in Hawaii" is pure BS. Why don't I and many others have the problem if that was so?

Best,

--Michael

"Well, you've discovered the problem right there...that shouldn't happen. My sigs. from 101, xpndr. 1/2 are 85/77 -with- the BBC."


Michael,

I've been following this discussion, and i am no fan of the ka interference either.

The other night I decided to look at 101 to see what my TP signals levels were. Again as of this moment, I am looking at the Sat strength screen and, interestingly' I see low strengths on TP 1 and 2.

TP 1 thru 8 are listed here: 52,0,54,0,73,87,83,90

All of the rest are mid 80's or higher.


OK, I have a 21-700, so decided to check "tuner #2" The result is that transponders 1-8 now read: 63,59,71,0,77,95,89,96.

Switching the BBC's changed the location of the problem, so it is a base band converter problem. Now I wonder how difficult it is going to be to get a new one.

You cannot order anything online for Hawaii, and trying to convince a CSR, that I have a problem with weak signals is going to be a challange.

It also makes me wonder how many of my other receivers have the same problem... Oh boy,,,,,

Bob

I just tried that link you posted, and it said I should get a new BBC in about ten days or so. We'll see.

How long is the cable run?

In any event, the " turning up Ka band signal levels from their newest satellite D11, for subscribers in Hawaii" is pure BS. Why don't I and many others have the problem if that was so?

The cable run is about 15 feet.

I don't know that you and many others don't have the problem. You didn't say whether you checked your own set up. Did you? I wouldn't know that I had a problem, probably, if my wife hadn't wanted to watch GSN 309 while Betty White was on Password, because the other problem channels are ones I never watch.

The theory about Ka band signals somehow screwing up how the BBC handles some Ku band signals I got from the Ironwood technician, T. J., who was at my house Aug. 13, and he said that's what he was told in a briefing. It could be garbled or just wrong. But I do get corresponding stories about the problem affecting many in Hawaii, from T. J., from his local supervisor George, and from the TSR Talina I talked to at DirecTV. George said he had 400 service calls piled up. I also talked to Jason of the Satellite Guy several times, and, like you, he wasn't really buying into the "interference" theory.

OK, I have a 21-700, so decided to check "tuner #2" The result is that transponders 1-8 now read: 63,59,71,0,77,95,89,96.

I also get different results for tuners #1 and #2 on my HR20-700. Using the signal meter display for transponder 2 of sat. 101 gives for tuner #1 "signal not acquired" and for tuner #2 gives a number fluctuating between 0 and something around 50. Also, I can sometimes bring in one of the problem channels by tuning to a different channel and starting up a recording, which occupies tuner #1, then tuning back to the problem channel, which then is forced to use tuner #2.

The theory about Ka band signals somehow screwing up how the BBC handles some Ku band signals I got from the Ironwood technician, T. J., who was at my house Aug. 13, and he said that's what he was told in a briefing. George said he had 400 service calls piled up.

Ai yi yi. Well, -that's- obviously a problem and I was way out of line saying it was pure BS. And Maui Guy -does- have the same problem.
Reminds me (too late) of an old Yogi Berra-ism:
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice, there is. .... "

You didn't say whether you checked your own set up. Did you?

Yeah, kinda'... "My sigs. from 101, xpndr. 1/2 are 85/77 -with- the BBC."
And you didn't say if your BBC had been replaced, did you?

I have an HR20 and two H20's here at the house.

HR20 Tuner1= 85 77 87 0 84 94 84 92

HR20 Tuner2= 85 75 86 0 84 95 87 93

H20 #1= 86 75 85 0 85 95 87 93

H20 #2= 82 50 81 0 78 91 83 91

Hmm, H20#2 looks suspicious.
H20#1 is easy to access, so I grabbed a handful of BBCs and tested them on it.
1st= 85 75 86 0 86 94 87 93
2nd= 85 76 87 0 83 95 86 92
3rd= 87 74 86 0 83 95 87 91
4th= 85 77 87 0 83 94 85 91
5th= 87 77 87 0 85 95 87 93
6th= 84 75 85 0 84 95 87 93

All appear to be good, or at least very similar.

I put "4th" on H20 #2 and get:
82 56 81 0 82 91 81 91...still low on xpndr 2.
I put the original from H20 #2 on H20 #1 and get:
85 80 87 0 87 94 85 91...yikes.

So obviously, the 'problem' is not -just- the BBC, but how it interacts with the 99/101/103 LNBFs and Switch (and receiver?). I'd spend some time looking at these sigs. with my Spectrum Analyzer, but Football Season is almost upon us and I need to do some other work (and get paid for it). I'm thinking the 99/101/103 LNBF/Switch should be replaced.<sigh>

--Michael

I scanned the sheet that comes with the Zinwell SUP-2400 BBC and most of it follows:

BBC Module Functional Description
The Ka/Ku ODU output will consist of a three-way stacked signal: a Ka Lo-band (B Band)at 250-750MHz, a Ku band at 950- 1450MHz and a Ka Hi-band (A Band) at 1650 - 2150 MHz. The IRD has an input range of 950 - 2150 MHz so an up-converter must be used in order to access the 250 - 750MHz spectrum. Failure to install a BBC Module at the back of the IRD prevents the IRD from receiving Ka Lo-band.
• The BBC Module up-converts the Ka Lo-band from 250 -750 MHz into 1650- 2150MHz and sends the up-converted signal to the IRD.
• When the IRD selects the A Band of 1650 -2150 MHz, the BBC Module passes signals from 950-2150 MHz to the output. So the 950 -2150 MHz output consists of the original Ku band and the A Band.
• When the IRD selects the B Band of 250-750MHz, the BBC Module up-converts the B Band to 1650 -2150 MHz and send the up-converted signal to the output. So the 950 - 2150 MHz output consists of the original Ku band and the up-converted B Band .
• DC voltages/current and ODU/multi-switch control signals pass through the BBC Module as is. Upon power up, the BBC Module is always in the A Band mode (un-switched mode).

I also get different results for tuners #1 and #2 on my HR20-700. Using the signal meter display for transponder 2 of sat. 101 gives for tuner #1 "signal not acquired" and for tuner #2 gives a number fluctuating between 0 and something around 50. Also, I can sometimes bring in one of the problem channels by tuning to a different channel and starting up a recording, which occupies tuner #1, then tuning back to the problem channel, which then is forced to use tuner #2.

You might be able to alleviate some of the pain if you can access the dish with the 99/101/103 LNBFs /Switch by swapping the cables. This will put Tuner #1 on the feed that almost works. The Switch has 4 outputs, so you might want to try the other two as well.

--Michael

"
It also makes me wonder how many of my other receivers have the same problem... Oh boy,,,,,

Bob...how many/what model of receivers do you have? What I'm getting at is, do you have any unused outputs at the 99/101/103 Switch that you can try and see if they work any better until the problem is resolved?

--Michael

And you didn't say if your BBC had been replaced, did you?

No, I didn't. None of my BBCs were replaced. I have an HR20-700 and an H20-600, both of which are affected by this signal loss (though I don't know that they are affected in exactly the same way -- it didn't seem worth going into). I just checked channel 309 yet again on both and saw severe pixelization and intermittent 771 errors on both.

No, I didn't. None of my BBCs were replaced. I have an HR20-700 and an H20-600, both of which are affected by this signal loss (though I don't know that they are affected in exactly the same way -- it didn't seem worth going into). I just checked channel 309 yet again on both and saw severe pixelization and intermittent 771 errors on both.

Try swapping the cables on the HR20 Tuner 1 and 2...maybe you can get Tuner 1 working better until the problem is resolved.

Bob...how many/what model of receivers do you have? What I'm getting at is, do you have any unused outputs at the 99/101/103 Switch that you can try and see if they work any better until the problem is resolved?

--Michael

Michael,

I have one HR21-700, and four H21-100's

Yesterday I decided to go look at the signal strengths on the questionable TP's using one of the H21-100's

The results were an eye opener. Keep in mind I play with the big dish stuff, so Directv is new to me.

When I checked the signal strengths on 101, (using the H21-100) I got readings like: 55,0,54,0,78,0,84,0.

Those readings are not exactly what I saw but I post them to show that according to the 21-100 every other TP has a zero reading. At that point I just rolled my eyes back and decided to watch football.

Later (back down with the HR21-700) I tried to tune in channel 226. I got the dreaded 771 indicator.

This morning I went out to look at the dishes, and saw that the switch for 99/101/103 has all of the outputs in use. Also, just for added information, it is all running thru a Zinwell WB68 switch.

As of 0730 this morning, HR21-700 gives following readings on TP 1-8 : 79,61,69,0,79,95,79,92.

Could Directv be doing some sort of house keeping??

Here's something interesting:

FCC Fines Oceanic Cable over it's handling of SDV
http://www.lightreading.com/document.asp?doc_id=162284

Granted $7500 is chump change to Time Warner, but it's nice that the State and the FCC paid attention.

When I checked the signal strengths on 101, (using the H21-100) I got readings like: 55,0,54,0,78,0,84,0.
Those readings are not exactly what I saw but I post them to show that according to the 21-100 every other TP has a zero reading.
This morning I went out to look at the dishes, and saw that the switch for 99/101/103 has all of the outputs in use. Also, just for added information, it is all running thru a Zinwell WB68 switch.

The even xpndrs on 101 are selected by 18Volts, no 22MHz.tone, so somewhere in the path (receiver, BBC, WB68, 101LNBF/Switch) there is/was a problem with the 18VDC getting to the 101LNBF/Switch.


As of 0730 this morning, HR21-700 gives following readings on TP 1-8 : 79,61,69,0,79,95,79,92.
Could Directv be doing some sort of house keeping??

Keep in mind that it appears that -every- receiver/tuner input is going to give different signal readings with this 'problem'. Here, only one receiver/input has a low signal on 101/xpndr.2 (56). It's still like that today.
I don't check very often, but what -is- different today vs last time I checked a couple of weeks ago, is that 99(s), xpndr 6 is now zero and it was 78.

Your WB68 should have two unused outputs, so you might want to identify which receiver goes where and try using the unused ones for troubleshooting (in case they work better).

Did Ironwood do your install? Have you talked to anyone to see if they have a plan of action for this mess?
I spent a couple of hours searching other satellite forums, and didn't see any problem like this on the mainland, so I still think it's tied to the 99/101/103LNBF/Switch.<sigh>


--Michael

Here's something interesting:

FCC Fines Oceanic Cable over it's handling of SDV
http://www.lightreading.com/document.asp?doc_id=162284

Granted $7500 is chump change to Time Warner, but it's nice that the State and the FCC paid attention.

That is interesting. The article says, "Although a $7,500 fine is chump change for an MSO that posted revenues of $4.3 billion in the second quarter, the financial penalties will rise if TWC doesn't comply."

Any idea of what "comply" means? Put the channels back and/or give the DCCA 30 days notice?

--Michael

Charles O

Any idea if OTW is going to have the NFL Network Channel this year?

Thanks,

--Michael

The even xpndrs on 101 are selected by 18Volts, no 22MHz.tone, so somewhere in the path (receiver, BBC, WB68, 101LNBF/Switch) there is/was a problem with the 18VDC getting to the 101LNBF/Switch.



Keep in mind that it appears that -every- receiver/tuner input is going to give different signal readings with this 'problem'. Here, only one receiver/input has a low signal on 101/xpndr.2 (56). It's still like that today.
I don't check very often, but what -is- different today vs last time I checked a couple of weeks ago, is that 99(s), xpndr 6 is now zero and it was 78.

Your WB68 should have two unused outputs, so you might want to identify which receiver goes where and try using the unused ones for troubleshooting (in case they work better).

Did Ironwood do your install? Have you talked to anyone to see if they have a plan of action for this mess?
I spent a couple of hours searching other satellite forums, and didn't see any problem like this on the mainland, so I still think it's tied to the 99/101/103LNBF/Switch.<sigh>


--Michael

Sorry I was not clear on the 21-700 readings. The ones I posted for yesterday morning were in comparisons to the ones I posted the day earlier.


So on Sunday, I had the following: 52,0,54,0,73,87,83,90
On Monday : 79,61,69,0,79,95,79,92
Today: 76,0,74,0,80,82,86,85

FWIW, I just went upstairs and checked two receivers. The one that had every other transponder as a zero, still has that problem. I did a reset on it and the problems remain.

The other receiver indicated transponders 2,3,and 4, as zeros before I shut it off.

Ironwood did the install and I watched the kid like a hawk. He seemd fairly knowledgeable about setting up Directv, and immediately after he left I started playing with the receivers to become acquainted. Back then (in April) the signal strengths were good.

Until Sunday I was not aware of any problems. I just happened to read this forum, and decided to check my signal strengths for comparison.

I have not yet taken any action, but will probably call Directv today. I have the "protection plan" so it will not be a cost factor (only time).

I think your diagnosis (99,101,103 switch) is probably correct. Before I call I will go out and try a different position on the WB68 for that problematic receiver, (which one was that ???? lol), to see if I can get something other than zeros on the even transponders.

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Before I call I will go out and try a different position on the WB68 for that problematic receiver, (which one was that ???? lol), to see if I can get something other than zeros on the even transponders.[/QUOTE]


Michael,

I went out and changed one port on the WB68 and for that one receiver I now have signal quality on the appropriate transponders.

I went to a second bedroom and did the signal test and it has the same problem as the first one did.

I have called Directv Tech Support, and they have set up a service call for Saturday from 1200 til 1600.

I would replace the WB68 my self, but they cannot order one for me. Besides that is what the service protection plan is for.....

That is fairly good time for a service call. Only four days or so.

I will let you know how it goes.

I talked to an oceanic customer service rep and told her that i'm planning on downgrading my service to just basic cable. Also asked if I'll continue to receive the unencrypted HD stations, but she said after Feb 2009 it'll be taken off. Is this illegal or does the fcc mandate just apply to the analog digital stations? I'm confused.

Edit: So it looks like they will most likely just broadcast the analog on digital unencrypted. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20171271-local-HD-channels~start=20

that just seems wrong that oceanic would be allowed to charge consumers to watch "free tv" more reason to look forward to hawaiian telcom's tv service.

link (http://www.lightreading.com/document.asp?doc_id=162284&site=cdn)

"Oceanic's movement of programming to a SDV platform rendered inaccessible dozens of cable channels previously accessible on CableCARD-equipped UDCPs [Unidirectional Digital Cable Products]," the FCC ruling reads.

that just seems wrong that oceanic would be allowed to charge consumers to watch "free tv" more reason to look forward to hawaiian telcom's tv service.
It doesn't seem wrong to me. You can compare it with free software, e.g. Linux or Gnu software. The licenses that guarantee you can't be charged for the software explicitly give rights to distributors to charge you for distribution of the software. OTWC is a distributor.

Charles O

Any idea if OTW is going to have the NFL Network Channel this year?

Thanks,

--Michael

About the same chance as snow on top of the Koolau's. :)

The only thing that I've heard is that ESPN may become a part owner in NFL Network and have it take over ESPN Classic or use ESPN as leverage in carriage.

Of course it's wrong. That goes back to KHON and KGMB not wanting to give Oceanic their HD signal without compensation.

Broadcast companies pay all this money for HD equipment.

Oceanic receives the signal from local broadcasters for "FREE", and now wants to charge consumers for this?

Something is wrong with that "HD Picture".:cool:

I think that KGMB and KHON SHOULD charge for OTW for their signals...OTW deserves it.

I would replace the WB68 my self, but they cannot order one for me. Besides that is what the service protection plan is for.....
That is fairly good time for a service call. Only four days or so.
I will let you know how it goes.

Please do. The WB68 will probably fix the even/zero problem, but the 'Ka/Ku interference' thing is something else. I think GregLee is getting fed off the switch at the dish like I am.

This morning it rained pretty good here, and 206 ESPN SD was blocking and doing the 771 search. The channel/xpndr map at dbstalk.com shows it as xpndr. 24, but I think that's wrong because when I did the signal scan, 101 xpndrs. 21-24 were 63 81 42 79. After the clouds moved out, they were 68 88 48 87...23 still way low, but picture is stable. I looked back at what I had recorded two months ago (earlier I said two weeks...wrong) and they were 74 78 73 78.
The low sigs. on xpndrs.21/23 got me thinking about the 'interference problem', so I went out and blocked out the 99 LNBF with tinfoil. Sure enough, 21 and 23 came up about 5-6 points. My H20 with the xpndr. 2 low reading of 47-56 came up to 77-81.
When this problem was first discussed, I thought because it was the edge-of-the-band xpndrs. (1 and 2) that somehow the Ka-Lo down-conversion was getting into the Ku spectrum (on the wire) in spite of there being a 200MHz. "guard band", but now I have no idea of wtf is happening.

This thing is driving me crazy and I -gotta'- get back to work.<g>

--Michael

About the same chance as snow on top of the Koolau's. :)


LOL...Good one.

There is still some litigation going on between NFL and Comcast as I recall, but I can't remember when the Court date was.
The first regular season game on NFL Network is Nov.6, so there is some time for 'things' to develop.

For you Dish subs they have activated the new satellite at 110w.

Signal strength is outstanding now.
From the looks a 30" for 110w will provide rock solid reception now.

P.S. Part One is done, Two Parts left. :)

For you Dish subs they have activated the new satellite at 110w.

Signal strength is outstanding now.
From the looks a 30" for 110w will provide rock solid reception now.

P.S. Part One is done, Two Parts left. :)

That is sweet...xpndr 10 went from a strength of 13 to 78 on my old AlphaStar dish so now I can finally put the SW44 in and get two feeds to the VIP 622s.

Parts two and three...putting a bunch of HD channels on there?

Thanks for the heads up!

I didn't read too far into your posts but did want to share a few things Idlewood/DirecTV guy told me about 10 days ago.

1) If you dont need HD channels but have the HD receiver (to get locals), REMOVE that B band converter. Its only used for channels in HD right now. My signals went up about 10 points when doing this.

2) On my HD receiver (where I have HD), I was having signal strength problems. He stated DirecTV was aware of problem with B-Band converters, and it started about a month ago. He says they've been super busy with 'my signal is weak' calls. However, in my case, my dish was dis-aligned so his trip was worthwhile, no pixilation or sound issues since he left (yay!).

3) Idlewild Communications was acquired by DirecTV. They (directv) are taking note and starting to recognize Hawaii residents as real clients (even though you would hardly know that from customer service calls).

4) They are testing 1 dish at Idlewild facilities, instead of the two large ones. No feedback on how well its working, yet.

5) Once some of the migrations they are doing for channels (where it is hosted on two satellites) is complete (and the second copy is removed), it will free up some abilities to do some spot-beaming towards us and make our signals stronger, 1 dish, smaller dishes, etc.

These are just what i extracted from the installer, and well, it was 10 days ago, so i hope its all correct. If you think i stated anything incorrectly, please jump in, the spreading of knowledge here is what its all about!

I really wish we had a bigger DirecTV following out here! NFL Sunday Ticket is the reason i use DirecTV.

- ardent

PS: If you are a techie, google 'cutting edge directv' and take part in some trials... im sure they may be interested in more feedback from hawaii customers.

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Before I call I will go out and try a different position on the WB68 for that problematic receiver, (which one was that ???? lol), to see if I can get something other than zeros on the even transponders.


Michael,

I went out and changed one port on the WB68 and for that one receiver I now have signal quality on the appropriate transponders.

I went to a second bedroom and did the signal test and it has the same problem as the first one did.

I have called Directv Tech Support, and they have set up a service call for Saturday from 1200 til 1600.

I would replace the WB68 my self, but they cannot order one for me. Besides that is what the service protection plan is for.....

That is fairly good time for a service call. Only four days or so.

I will let you know how it goes.[/QUOTE]

Of course it's wrong. That goes back to KHON and KGMB not wanting to give Oceanic their HD signal without compensation.

Broadcast companies pay all this money for HD equipment.

Oceanic receives the signal from local broadcasters for "FREE", and now wants to charge consumers for this?

Something is wrong with that "HD Picture".:cool:
New Bee:

OTW has HUGE costs to get that TV signal to your house. Cost of cable, repairs, servers, utilities for the servers, Satellite receivers & maintenance costs, employees, taxes, franchise fees to the County, etc. etc. etc.

May I suggest attending some business & finance classes. If you ever start your own business I wonder how you'd respond if a customer wanted your service for free.

. I stopped in the local OTWC office today to inquire about availability and they had no idea what I was talking about. (not surprising, since a relatively high-up OTWC tech knew nothing about them last year when I was trying to install the HD TiVo).

Does anybody know if these units are available in HI yet and, if so, how to get one? I would desperately love finally be rid of that worthless POS SA8300. (how can ANYBODY say they like them that has even used a TiVo unit!)


DrNorm

I stumbled accross some vendor information here:
http://www.lightreading.com/document.asp?doc_id=159407&site=cdn

Best,

--Michael

question...why is OTW is waiting till the cutover to remove the unencrypted local channels with the HD feeds? They already have the digital SD stations dont they?

So I'm stuck in an apartment where satellite isn't an option.

So what's the deal with OTW's HD service? I've tried to read the whole thread, but ended up just reading the last 5-6 pages...

Like what channels are available, what issues does OTW have with HD channels/programing/local channels, etc?

Mahalo...

The HD Channels that Oceanic offers are available here:
http://www.oceanic.com/OceanicWebApps/Television/DigitalServices/DCL_Oahu.html
*scroll to the bottom*

The HD package cost $6.95 per month.

If you already have Digital Cable from Oceanic you can just go to one of Oceanic's local offices and swap the box for an HD one and add on the service that way.

If you only have basic cable and want HD service Oceanic will send a tech over and install the HD box. In most cases you will also have to sign up for Digital Cable service as well.
In addition to the HD package, you also will pay for the box rental and digital cable service.

As far as issues, I don't know how to answer that. The lineup overall is good, they carry the HD feeds for the local channels.
As far as new channels added, it's complex, Oceanic can't just flip the switch and add a channel.

If you already have an HDTV and it includes an QAM tuner, you can scan for the local channels in HD, Oceanic doesn't encrypt them. That's all you will get, but it will give you an idea of the quality of the programming.
Some QAM tuners will list a bunch of "blank" channels so after the scan you can clear some of the clutter and tune directly to them by using these channel numbers:

83-3 KHNL HD
85-3 KHON HD
99-3 KGMB HD (this may no longer be accurate)
114-2 KITV HD
120-12 KHET HD

Best of luck,

Charles

higuy: Maybe when everyone is forced to use qam they don't want them all having HD for free?...in any case, the rep may have been misinformed, i'll just wait until Feb '09, if they do encrypt, i will cancel.

Can anyone else verify what channel KGMB DT is on? 99-3 does not work for me and i thought it was because they are filtering it out.

DrNorm

I stumbled accross some vendor information here:
http://www.lightreading.com/document.asp?doc_id=159407&site=cdn

Best,

--Michael

DrNorm - there are legions of TivoHD and Series 3 owners (including me) who are ready to pounce as soon as cable providers make the tuning adapters available. There hasn't been much news since this article came out, but there are rumors that customers in some markets are doing beta testing now.

OTW cable card customers on the neighbor islands got a letter this month about the switch to SDV that also mentioned expected availablility of the TA "later this year", "contemplated ... at no additional charge". So at least we know that OTW has plans for it.

-- snakpak

higuy: Maybe when everyone is forced to use qam they don't want them all having HD for free?...in any case, the rep may have been misinformed, i'll just wait until Feb '09, if they do encrypt, i will cancel.

Can anyone else verify what channel KGMB DT is on? 99-3 does not work for me and i thought it was because they are filtering it out.

i really dont know. bsquare mentioned in his reply to New Bee that it was expensive to deliver the signal to folks...so that's why I'm wondering why they dont encrypt it already if this is so expensive to deliver. they obviously encrypt the other HD channels otherwise no one would purchase the HD package. a friend of mine had basic cable in his condo, and had his xbr tune all the digital channels. he was satisfied with the local stations and the food network HD. one day the food network and kgmb disappeared. it was enough for him to call oceanic and get the HD package. kgmb seems to be a hit or miss. some people lost it, some people still have it.

i really dont know. bsquare mentioned in his reply to New Bee that it was expensive to deliver the signal to folks...so that's why I'm wondering why they dont encrypt it already if this is so expensive to deliver. they obviously encrypt the other HD channels otherwise no one would purchase the HD package. a friend of mine had basic cable in his condo, and had his xbr tune all the digital channels. he was satisfied with the local stations and the food network HD. one day the food network and kgmb disappeared. it was enough for him to call oceanic and get the HD package. kgmb seems to be a hit or miss. some people lost it, some people still have it.
HiGuy:

I believe OTW had to provide the major networks HD for free (unencrypted) if they expected the networks to not charge them extra for the HD feeds. OTW recovers their fixed costs from basic cable fees, and incremental costs and profit are recovered from selling additional services. For example, in order to get an HD DVR, you have to subscribe to the HD pack because the HD DVR costs them more to buy. Almost every other channel receives a programming fee for carriage & it varies widely depending on viewership.

makes sense. thanks for the clarification bsquare

So for all of your KGMB is NOT encrypted? my signal strength looks strong on that channel but nothing comes out...

Anyone using the Western Digital DVR expander with their 8300HDC DVR from oceanic? Everytime I reboot the DVR it asks me to format the drive and nothing happens. The recording space does not change, and checking partition info the diagnostics screen shows 0's for everything.

I even changed out my DVR yesterday. Still got the same problems with the new box.

Please do. The WB68 will probably fix the even/zero problem, but the 'Ka/Ku interference' thing is something else. I think GregLee is getting fed off the switch at the dish like I am.

Yes, I was. (That's Greg, btw, last name Lee.) My problem seems to be fixed. A DirecTV technician, John, came out this afternoon (Friday) and (1) disconnected one of my two dishes, (2) installed a swm5 switch at the remaining dish, (3) removed the two BBCs from the back of my HR20-700, (4) replaced my H20-600 with a H21-100.

The dish that was disconnected is no longer needed, because the 110 and 119 satellites don't carry any of the ordinary SD or HD channels anymore -- some channels were moved to the new D11 satellite at 99 degrees. The second dish might still be required for some international channels (which I don't subscribe to). John says probably a crew will come around later to take away the unused dish.

The change from the two dish/5 satellite/BBC system to a one dish/3 satellite/swm5 switch system is being done state wide, I gather. The H20-600 receiver has to be replaced because it overheats in the new setup, John said.

I tested all the channels I previously had reception problems with and looked at transponder levels for the 101 satellite, which were very low before. Looking good so far.

Well, I have been just thankful for months that I can actually watch my favorite CW programs ("Reaper" and "Supernatural") via cable. I would go OTA but darn these valley sides. And I am willing to put up with the big step backwards from the HD versions that I used to watch on the mainland. But the bit that sticks in my craw is the fact that the TVGOS data is just plain wrong - not just time-shifted - but incorrect. I've got a DHG-HDD500 and so basic cable is fine with me - I never have to look at the bogus "Zap2It" or whatever that exercise in watching paint dry is called. For the most part, the TVGOS system have been reliable and very useful for time shifting. However, the CW data shows no improvement over the last 3-4 months (or however long we've had the CW here).

Any chance of that being repaired? Or am I dreaming?

And, in another note, have the local broadcasters announced which streams they have designated "must carry" post-DTV transition? Is KGMB going for the CBS line of "free SD" and "pay for HD?" Good thing there's nothing I watch on CBS any more so paying isn't even on the table. Will TWC play fair or treat its customers as cash-filled pinatas?

And, in another note, have the local broadcasters announced which streams they have designated "must carry" post-DTV transition? Is KGMB going for the CBS line of "free SD" and "pay for HD?" Good thing there's nothing I watch on CBS any more so paying isn't even on the table. Will TWC play fair or treat its customers as cash-filled pinatas?
In post #4503 it was mentioned that a OTWC rep told the customer it will no longer provide the HD version of the local network stations unencrypted.

In post #4503 it was mentioned that a OTWC rep told the customer it will no longer provide the HD version of the local network stations unencrypted.


Well, that is fine and good that TWC plans to screw their customers like cheap whores. However, this appears to be the case come Feb 2009:


In a compromise between broadcasters and cable operators, the FCC has voted to require cable operators to make broadcast signals viewable on both analog and digital receivers until February 2012.

In addition to carrying the broadcasters’ digital signals, cable operators must convert those signals to analog for viewers with older receivers. This can be achieved either by converting digital signals to an analog format at the headend, or by providing analog subscribers with converter boxes.

Under the rules, cable systems must carry HD broadcast signals in HD format, and the FCC reaffirmed its current material degradation standard. Cable operators must carry broadcast signals so that the picture quality is at least as good as the quality of any other programming carried on the system.


From FCC orders cable operators to provide dual viewability (Sep 17, 2007 2:59 PM) (here: http://broadcastengineering.com/news/fcc-cable-provide-dual-view/ )

Or, more verbosely:


The rules and regulations for "must carry" ONCE A BROADCASTER HAS CEASED ANALOG TRANSMISSION (which ELIMINATES the "dual carriage" problem) are clear: "primary video means a single programming stream and other program-related content.” The "other program-related content" was quickly scrutinized and is currently being reviewed for proper definition (to avoid interpretation issues: this is the argument between PBS and CBS where PBS wants it to mean HD and SD of the same programs and CBS wants SD and HD to be considered different "streams" as the FCC has defined it today). However, the definition of "primary video" was made clear; it is the single programming stream as defined by the BROADCASTER. STREAM, not SIGNAL. The ATSC HD and SD variants of a station are STREAMS inside a signal. The "dual carriage" issue was regarding two SIGNALS: digital and analog.

1. Dual carriage is not an issue, as the digital feed is not "must carry" until the analog feed ceases operation. 99% of today's stations are still broadcasting analog and their must-carry rules are still on the analog. (for broadcasters with waivers or exemptions, the analog feed will remain the only "must carry" until it ceases operation, even after Feb 2009)
2. The broadcaster can determine which stream is "primary video" after they cease analog transmission (HD, SD, weather plus...) and "other related content" will be defined soon
3. The MSO must make available the primary video as is, without material degradation, and in HD if it is HD after the broadcaster ceases analog transmission
4. The MSO must support analog TV's until 2012 by either converting the digital stream to analog (and thus HD to SD if applicable) at the head-end or with STB's or passing along the analog signal (if applicable) at their discretion

I did not "add" high definition to anything, the Second Report and Order made it very clear that carriage of a multicast broadcaster which has a "mixture of high definition and standard definition digital television streams" that "the broadcaster elects which programming stream is its primary video, and the cable operator is required to provide mandatory carriage only of that designated stream"; as quoted above in it's entirety and applicable to those broadcasters that have ceased analog transmission.

(from: http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20171271-local-HD-channels~start=20 )

So TWC is basing their plans on either of the following scenarios:

a. All the local broadcasters are just as stingy as TWC and believe in screwing their viewers.

b. TWC believes they are above the law and can tell the FCC to go F themselves.

Now seeing as how PBS nationally wants their HD programming to be "must carry", that makes (a) false. Therefore, the correct answer is (b), and TWC is a bunch of greedy jackass MBAs who subscribe to the "value" theory of business. However, I tend to believe the real answer is somewhere between the two options and that local TWC employees have about as much clue about the future as my old orange cat.

Now, does anyone know for sure what the local affiliates plan to submit as their "must carry" stream?

Well, that is fine and good that TWC plans to screw their customers like cheap whores.
Very colorful. I don't see anything in the quotes you provided about a requirement for unencrypted HD locals.

To the best of my knowledge, there is no FCC dicta that effectively says "HD 'must carry' signals must be unencrypted by MSOs." You must piece it together from the bits an pieces of FCC regulations and decisions. Here is where someone puts the puzzle pieces together http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=14594238#post14594238

The gist of it is this: "Basic service" must include local terrestial broadcast TV, must not be encrypted or scrambled, and can not distinguish between analog & digital signal.

When you add this definition of basic service, and "must carry," to the 2007 "Dual Carriage" decision by the FCC, which requires the "must carry" streams from local broadcasters to be carried un-degraded by the MSOs, the sum is inescapable. "HD streams" designated by local broadcasters as "must carry" may not be degraded, encrypted or scrambled in the basic tier.

Additionally, if my reading comprehension skills are not too compromised, "we conclude that 'primary video' means a single programming stream and other program-related content”* means the FCC is getting serious about stripping PSIP data. Which OTW seems to be happily doing at the moment. TWC seems to believe that it's role in life is to push the limits of FCC regulations to the detriment of its own customers.

Did I miss anything? Is there a clear path that TWC can claim to encrypt HD streams that have been designated "must carry"? Like I said before, it is only possible if their partners in crime, the local broadcasters, want to extort more money from the viewing audience (by only designating their SD stream as "must carry").

*Federal Register: March 22, 2005 (Volume 70, Number 54), Page 14416;
http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2005/05-5611.htm

I just bought an ATI HDTV Wonder and I've been trying to figure something out. We used to have a 42" LCD HDTV but one of the roommates moved out and the TV went with him. :( We used get to get 106.8 which is KBS World on the tv but on my computer I can't seem to pick it up on my HDTV antenna. Does anyone know what type of channel it is? Is it Clear QAM? Any information would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!!

I just bought an ATI HDTV Wonder and I've been trying to figure something out. We used to have a 42" LCD HDTV but one of the roommates moved out and the TV went with him. :( We used get to get 106.8 which is KBS World on the tv but on my computer I can't seem to pick it up on my HDTV antenna. Does anyone know what type of channel it is? Is it Clear QAM? Any information would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!!

Yes, it's a Clear QAM channel on Oceanic. Both KBS and KLIFE are run from KBFD but they only feed the channels to Oceanic and don't output them as digital subchannels OTA.

Thank you so much for the info! Time for a new tv tuner card! Anyone interested in a week old ATI HDTV Wonder with all the accessories?! :p

I know this is a long shot, but are there any secret methods of contacting the local affiliates and actually receiving a response that somebody could let me in on? Is there some sort of "Skull and Crossbones" handshake or do have to wear a handkerchief in the correct back pocket to be graced by information from local broadcasters? I've tried the "contact us" bogus form on the web site which apparently is redirected to /dev/null; or calling the know-nothing receptionist that routes you to somebody who is never there, and never returns voice mail. On the mainland, not only have I received callbacks, an affiliate appreciated my feedback so much that they mailled me some of their nifty swag, including a tee shirt. Here, in the Aloha State, I get nothing. Not even the courtesy of a reply. Where's the Aloha? Or are they just so good here that they don't need no stinkin' viewer feedback? (I say the latter very much tongue-in-cheek as they still have difficulty here with the HD/SD-switch guy falling asleep during prime time)

I'd like to ask about each affiliate's "must carry" plans, plans for upgrading MyTV and CW to HD, and when the CW guys plan to provide real TVGOS data. Am I asking too much?

Are there any board readers that are in the local business?

I know this is a long shot, but are there any secret methods of contacting the local affiliates and actually receiving a response that somebody could let me in on? Is there some sort of "Skull and Crossbones" handshake or do have to wear a handkerchief in the correct back pocket to be graced by information from local broadcasters? I've tried the "contact us" bogus form on the web site which apparently is redirected to /dev/null; or calling the know-nothing receptionist that routes you to somebody who is never there, and never returns voice mail. On the mainland, not only have I received callbacks, an affiliate appreciated my feedback so much that they mailled me some of their nifty swag, including a tee shirt. Here, in the Aloha State, I get nothing. Not even the courtesy of a reply. Where's the Aloha? Or are they just so good here that they don't need no stinkin' viewer feedback? (I say the latter very much tongue-in-cheek as they still have difficulty here with the HD/SD-switch guy falling asleep during prime time)

I'd like to ask about each affiliate's "must carry" plans, plans for upgrading MyTV and CW to HD, and when the CW guys plan to provide real TVGOS data. Am I asking too much?

Are there any board readers that are in the local business?
I can help you with some of your questions:

KHON began using their new HD recording servers back in April, but after 6 months, their HD replays are still plagued with sound chop & sync problems. Until this system is running correctly, CW is on the back burner. Plus there are other feed issues with CW, so I wouldn't expect CW-HD anytime soon.

MyNetworkTV KFVE has no plans to go HD based on an email to me a couple months ago. This means no UH Wahine volleyball in HD - major bummer. If KFVE would have joined with CW instead, we'd probably be watching it in HD plus they'd have more viewers. I don't see MNTV as a success.

Now some good news.

KGMB has started airing syndex re-runs of Lost, CSI:Miami and CSI:NY in HD.
Keep it up KGMB! :)

Now some good news.

KGMB has started airing syndex re-runs of Lost, CSI:Miami and CSI:NY in HD.
Keep it up KGMB! :)
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hehe maybe Desperate Housewives in HD too. wooohoo I don't mind seeing Eva on my HD! SCHWWWIIING

Well, so far only KITV has responded to my email queries. The other locals appear to not understand how to use email.

According to KITV, post DTV transition, their SD stream will still be available on OTW cable 6. And their HD stream will be on channel 1006, readily available with a special converter box - and additional fees. So that puts KITV in the "fsck the viewer" category. One down, five to go.

Oh, and they'll use all that extra money to show the Merrie Monarch in HD, but local news production will remain in SD, as they have no plans to join the rest of the country with local HD production. Even in Austin, TX, where I just spent 3 interminable years, the three primary local affiliates produce their news in HD.

It's beginning to look like the much ballyhooed DTV step forward in the new millenium is just another excuse to "monitize" the broadcast business. And Hawaii will continue to be the nation's technology caboose.

Well, so far only KITV has responded to my email queries. The other locals appear to not understand how to use email.

According to KITV, post DTV transition, their SD stream will still be available on OTW cable 6. And their HD stream will be on channel 1006, readily available with a special converter box - and additional fees. So that puts KITV in the "fsck the viewer" category. One down, five to go.

Oh, and they'll use all that extra money to show the Merrie Monarch in HD, but local news production will remain in SD, as they have no plans to join the rest of the country with local HD production. Even in Austin, TX, where I just spent 3 interminable years, the three primary local affiliates produce their news in HD.

It's beginning to look like the much ballyhooed DTV step forward in the new millenium is just another excuse to "monitize" the broadcast business. And Hawaii will continue to be the nation's technology caboose.
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OK that's it. I've heard enough of your sarcastic whining. Since you are not a local person I will explain something to you one time only so you better listen up. Hawaii is a small isolated place. Before you start insulting anybody here, know this....People here are my neighbors, friends, relatives. Everybody knows everybody here. The fact is, the economy is tight right now and giving out high technology service is not free. Advertising dollars are waaayyy down and layoffs and cutbacks are occurring at all the television stations. Certainly the poor schmuck who used to answer your whining emails is either too busy or got laid off. I am quite certain that the local tv stations are doing the best they can with what money is available right now and moaning about how great it was back where you came from isn't going to make you any friends here.

Andrew: Are you saying that KITV will no longer be available on QAM via Oceanic? Why would they discontinue that? I currently get the 5 networks directly on QAM which allows me to record 2 shows on the DVR plus view a 3rd show on one of the 5 networks dirctly on my TV tuner.

Kawika:

Your post gave me a good laugh. I recall when I first moved here many years ago. I also was a bit of a whiner and probably would have benefitted from someone like you telling me how it is here. I've since mellowed out and have learned to work more within the system. I have served on the Waikiki Neighborhood Board for the past 4 years and I have a much better sense of the Hawaiin community.

Andrew needed the blast & hopefully it will help him.

I'm terribly sorry that my high expectations come off as "whiny". For your information, I grew up here, left for college, the military and a career, and I have returned after a quarter of a century of living across the country. Many of my friends are still here, and many others are returning from the mainland. I still remember the old days of "tape delay" - even for Hawaii 5-0 that was shot and produced here. I remember the $20 long-distance Mothers' Day phone calls to grandma on the mainland. Some things have improved. Alas, the Yum Yum Tree is now a Chilis.

What of my observations do you find problematic? I understand the physical isolation of the Islands; that does not explain the delay in adopting new technology - as mandated by law. The entire country is in tough economic straits. And yet small markets, like Austin, have gone full HD. The technology is free, but the implementation is not. Yes the local broadcasters must upgrade their facilities; but so must the viewers. Nobody came to my house and gifted me my off-brand Office-Max close-out special discount LCD TV. Progress requires change and can be temporarily disruptive.

I'm sorry that critical observations about how things could be better here might end up being unflattering to some individuals, who might be some one's friend. Is that the reason to abandon progress? Should we chuck efforts to move forward because it might eventually inconvenience one or more people? Does it occur to you that there are many "small communities" all around the country? They are all special to their members.

My goals here are twofold: (a) to try to convince the local affiliates to designate their HD stream as "must carry" for the benefit of basic cable customers to match what OTA viewers receive, and (b) monitor and suggest the local broadcasters progress to full HD like elsewhere, to the benefit of the all the residents of the state. I have been fortunate enough to observe how the DTV transition has worked in several markets. I'm sorry that you think it is a terrible burden for the stations to be forced to communicate to the public; you know, the people whose airwaves the broadcasters are licensing. The people who they rely on to watch their programming so their advertisers will buy their air time. I suppose they have no interest in communicating with the public. Oddly though, in other markets, the local affiliates seemed to appreciate viewer feedback. I guess that's one of the benefits of living in Hawaii.

Yes, bsquare, currently, KITV's SD only will be open-QAM come February 17, 2009. The HD stream will be a "premium" service from OTW that will require one of their rental boxes. My guess is that all the local affiliates are going to go that route. Thus making basic cable the red-headed stepchild of Hawaii television.

Andrew:

I recall the dispute between OTW and CBS where CBS said if you are going to charge customers to watch our HD feed, then we want programming fees from you per subscriber. I understand the dispute was settled by OTW offering all the local networks in HD for free and that's why we finally get CBS in HD. This doesn't mesh with your belief that those HD QAM feeds will be discontinued.

I think we need to get the real scoop from OTW before getting all ruffled up. I have a decent contact there & I'll ask the question & post any response I get.

Yeah, the rep that i talked to may have been misinformed. I talked to oceanic about KGMB being blocked out with the basic cable filter. They said it'd take about 2 weeks, but they would find a solution for me. I was quite impressed with the quick response and service i got. We'll see on the results though.

ANDREW: RESPONSE FROM OTW:

"Aloha!

For Oceanic Time Warner Cable Hawaii, yes the local broadcast HD
channels will still be available unencrypted. So anyone that is
subscribing to cable TV and has a TV with a Digital QAM tuner would be
able to receive those channels just as they do now.

However I can not say if that would be the case for every Time Warner
division. Each division is subject to the franchise requirements of
their respective state/county/city. Our franchise from the state
requires us to carry all local broadcast channels unencrypted.

But I would like to point out that the digital conversion on 2/9/2009
applies only to full power broadcast channels and only to their aerial
broadcast signal. It does not apply to cable TV systems or networks. So
all of our currently carried analog channels will still be analog after
2/9/2009."
snip - remainder of message is personal to me.

Andrew: This confirms the understanding I had on this matter. So your concerns appear to be moot.

However, I would like to enlist you and others on this board to join me on a much greater cause. And that is to get TWC & NBC Universal to finally agree to carry the next block of HD channels: USA, Sci-Fi, Bravo, etc. Plus a bunch more from other sources, but these 3 are most critical due to the nature of their programming lends itself to HD.
The phone number for NBC universal is 212-605-0201. A switchboard operator will answer & ask for a relevant department. It's a free call from your cellphone before 6AM.

Awesome report bsquare! This is great news, though it conflicts with what KITV has reported to me. However, there may have been a miscommunication with them, and I am attempting to clarify with them the difference between "must carry" from local affiliates, and "viewability" requirements for the MSO.

I just received the following from KHET:

Aloha Andrew,

We have already talked with OTW and they will continue to carry our main HD OTA signal and the additional programming between sign-off to sign on. In addition, they are willing to carry up to three other signals for us, should we decide that there is enough programming to fill the space. So if you are watching us through OTW, there will be no change come 2/18/2009.


This is even better news than I expected. Perhaps things are not as gloomy as the OTW tech that suggested all local HD streams would be encrypted after the DTV transition.

The KHET/PBS VP of Content Delivery Steve Komori has asked me to post that he has a blog where he has been commenting on the DTV transition and KHET's plans for the future, here:

http://leslienotes.typepad.com/digital_dialog/

I have only had time to read a few because it's getting late for me. I hope this is helpful.

Steve does a great job with his blog for PBS Hawaii. Not too many people know about it but especially with reception issues, he gives straight answers.

He also mentions that all Hawaii stations may kill analog on Jan. 15, 2009.

The dish that was disconnected is no longer needed, because the 110 and 119 satellites don't carry any of the ordinary SD or HD channels anymore -- some channels were moved to the new D11 satellite at 99 degrees. The second dish might still be required for some international channels (which I don't subscribe to). John says probably a crew will come around later to take away the unused dish.

The change from the two dish/5 satellite/BBC system to a one dish/3 satellite/swm5 switch system is being done state wide, I gather. The H20-600 receiver has to be replaced because it overheats in the new setup, John said.

I tested all the channels I previously had reception problems with and looked at transponder levels for the 101 satellite, which were very low before. Looking good so far.

Ahh, thanks Greg. Good to see that they came up with a work-around, rather than having to replace all the DTVAHKAKU LNBFs with the 'problem'.

I did the 'Satellite Setup' again and selected 'Slimline 3 LNBs' instead of '5 LNB, Multi-sat', and all the programming is still there, but the Guide lists all HD channels as "To be announced".

Does your guide show the HD chs. correctly?

--Michael

Does your guide show the HD chs. correctly?

Yes. Everything works fine, now. My HR20-700 shows dish type as Slimline5 (not 3). I gather from some postings on dbstalk that with the old 5 sat. system, the guide information is sometimes gotten from 110 or 119 (I forget which), and simply setting the receiver to a 3 sat. setup does not change this. But the SWM switch causes the guide info to be taken from 101. So maybe that's the problem you're running into.

Will KHNL/KFVE up their OTA signal power?

So far can't get these stations in Mililani. FCC data suggests that they are only xmitting 5.9 kW ERP from a directional antenna aimed at downtown, so Mililani is about 90 degrees off-axis. Even though I am only 7 miles from the antenna and can easily see it, get no signal strength on my STB, using an attic-mounted antenna with amp. My guess is KHNL would need to put out around 10 kW for Mililani to receive it well?

scott s.
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Sorry if this has been covered before, but I'm currently on OTW digital and the only add-on that I have is the HD pack. I don't have my bill in front of me, but I think that I pay around $80 a month for the service (digital service + stb + hd pack). I would love to add an HD dvr, but I'm having trouble trying to do an apples-to-apples comparison with Directv. I have one other tv in the bedroom with basic cable only. Under this scenario, is there any cost savings by switching service? Thanks.

Sorry if this has been covered before, but I'm currently on OTW digital and the only add-on that I have is the HD pack. I don't have my bill in front of me, but I think that I pay around $80 a month for the service (digital service + stb + hd pack). I would love to add an HD dvr, but I'm having trouble trying to do an apples-to-apples comparison with Directv. I have one other tv in the bedroom with basic cable only. Under this scenario, is there any cost savings by switching service? Thanks.
The best deal is their Surf Pack which includes Cable, Digital, DVR & DVR Service, Roadrunner, & the HD Pack all for $105 + tax. This combo price beats many other TWC areas in the nation. The Surf pack isn't published so you have to ask for it to see if you still can get it.

Thanks. So this compares favorably also against Directv's packages?

My mom has been on analog cable service from Oceanic from the 70's and is finally taking the dive into HD with the purchase of an HDTV. Since she also uses RR, the Surf Pack with the included HD Ent. Pack sounds like the way to go. I understand that she needs a box for the HDTV, but my stupid question is, when she switches to digital cable service, will the other SD TVs in the house require a box as well or can the TVs still be used like they are now, without a box? These are relatively recently purchased SD TVs and she only wants to maintain minimal service on them and it would be pretty lame if rented boxes are needed for each of these other TVs in the house.

The other tv's in the house will run standard, analog service. No need for more boxes.

Ah, ok. Thanks bueller, that's what I was hoping for. This arrangement will work out fine then.

My mom has been on analog cable service from Oceanic from the 70's and is finally taking the dive into HD with the purchase of an HDTV. Since she also uses RR, the Surf Pack with the included HD Ent. Pack sounds like the way to go. I understand that she needs a box for the HDTV, but my stupid question is, when she switches to digital cable service, will the other SD TVs in the house require a box as well or can the TVs still be used like they are now, without a box? These are relatively recently purchased SD TVs and she only wants to maintain minimal service on them and it would be pretty lame if rented boxes are needed for each of these other TVs in the house.
The surfpak includes a DVR - that serves the function of the box. Don't spend all that money upgrading without a DVR - best invention of the decaade!

Yes all our analog sets work just fine directly on cable - channels 2-78. Also don't be too quick to get rid of a good Tube set - SD programs still look better on a tube set IMO.

I just called Oceanic about the Surf Pak, because I have exactly all the same services, but pay something like $135. They told me that the promotion is normally for new customers only, but they would give it to me. However, the promotion is only good for 1-yr, and you are not eligible to change to any other future promotions.

I know she's gonna like the DVR. Programming a VCR is a task she's never mastered. DVR programming I know she can handle.

Linda, that sucks to hear the surf pak is good for only one year. For all you folks who subscribed to the surf pak in the past, was this true for you as well? One year only?

I just called Oceanic about the Surf Pak, because I have exactly all the same services, but pay something like $135. They told me that the promotion is normally for new customers only, but they would give it to me. However, the promotion is only good for 1-yr, and you are not eligible to change to any other future promotions.
I didn't know about any one-year restriction. I've had mine since November 2006. Maybe it wasn't limited at the time & I'm grandfathered into it.

But as a general rule, if you call to complain, often times they will extend a promotional deal for another 6 months - & often it just sticks. No way to say for sure, tho.

They just keep renewing the Surf Pak every year-- I've had it for at least 3 years now. Don't think it's really just for new customers either since i've told friends and my parents about it and they were all able to get the deal. I noticed they did raise the price recently to around $98 (without the HD pak fee). Don't know when they did this but before it use to be around $93.

I noticed last night that channel 9 sound for the Letterman show was in 5.1 Dolby Digital. It sounded great. Maybe it's been that way for a while, but the last I recall it was 2.0 Dolby Digital, like all the other local channels.

KGMB's 5.1 encoder has been out of service, guess they fixed it.
Too bad I didn't know about it last night for CSI:Miami.

BTW, for you Oceanic subs with problems with KGMB over QAM, try 113-1.

I just returned my HDTV DVR box to Oceanic because I am hardly home to use it. I noticed on my basic cable (from Oceanic) it looks like they pipe some HDTV stations through the basic cable? Like 113-1, etc. Is this true? And if so where can I find the listings on the stations? It would be cool if I could get HDTV channels without the box/subscription. Thanks!

I just returned my HDTV DVR box to Oceanic because I am hardly home to use it. I noticed on my basic cable (from Oceanic) it looks like they pipe some HDTV stations through the basic cable? Like 113-1, etc. Is this true? And if so where can I find the listings on the stations? It would be cool if I could get HDTV channels without the box/subscription. Thanks!
One of the greatest benefits of a DVR is for those who aren't home much. I'm guessing you didn't take the time to learn all the functionality it provides. I could never do without a DVR again. I watch the shows I want in far less time - so perfect for busy people.

Which happens to be why I got it. Now I download the shows on itunes or from the networks directly if available. I'm very familiar with the functionality of the DVR and used it in the past before I started traveling often. I was just wondering what the channel lineup for HD stations are in Honolulu with Oceanic.

I just returned my HDTV DVR box to Oceanic because I am hardly home to use it. I noticed on my basic cable (from Oceanic) it looks like they pipe some HDTV stations through the basic cable? Like 113-1, etc. Is this true? And if so where can I find the listings on the stations? It would be cool if I could get HDTV channels without the box/subscription. Thanks!

Only KHON, KITV, KGMB, KHNL and KHET are available "In-the-clear" in HD by using a TV with a QAM tuner.
Oceanic doesn't officially support reception of channels with QAM tuners, so you won't get a specific guide or location of these channels. But the programming is a 100% simulcast of the "regular" stations.

Most current listing of QAM "in-the-clear" channels.

HD:
83-3 KHNL(NBC)
85-3 KHON(FOX)
113-1 KGMB(CBS)
114-2 KITV(ABC)
120-12 KHET(PBS)

SD:
85-4 KHON-CW
106-3 KIKU
106-5 KBFD
106-8 KBS America
115-3 PBS Kids
117-5 KFVE
117-6 KITV
117-7 KGMB
117-8 KHNL
117-10 KHET

Which happens to be why I got it. Now I download the shows on itunes or from the networks directly if available. I'm very familiar with the functionality of the DVR and used it in the past before I started traveling often. I was just wondering what the channel lineup for HD stations are in Honolulu with Oceanic.

Here's another alternative if you already have Netflix. (http://www.hackingnetflix.com/2008/09/netflix-signs-s.html) You can watch episodes on your computer or via a $100 Roku box connected to your tv. By Tuesday, they already had the first episode of Heroes, Season 3 available.

Does anyone have any information regarding DirecTV's international channel satellite signal. A few month ago i signed up for DirecTV service, I could get the HD and SD signals but the international service satellite was behind a mountain. I was told the signal was lower than the other satellite. It's seems like from the previous post that DirecTV is consolidating their signals... Will I have better luck in the coming months of getting international service with DirecTV. I'm tired of Oceanic and would love to finally get DirecTV service.

It seems Oceanic have added Fox Business News HD.... wished they had added CNBC instead!!!

Does Oceanic carry the Tivo/SDV dongle and if so, has anyone tried it yet?

Will I have better luck in the coming months of getting international service with DirecTV.
A DirecTV installer told me a couple of weeks ago that my second dish pointed to the 110/119 satellites, not used currently, could be used in the future for international channels. So, maybe.

Does Oceanic carry the Tivo/SDV dongle and if so, has anyone tried it yet?

The Tuning Adapter dongle is not released yet. There are unsubstantiated rumors that Cox Cable in San Antonio may start distributing it later this month, beta testing is underway, etc. TW in some mainland markets is saying late this year, some saying early next year.

QAM channels no longer available here in EWA GENTRY! Hawaii Kai still seems to get all but KGMB.

Pissed me off, I had to break out my antenna's from storage. It was good while it lasted, I hope OTA does not change.

Edit: The night after I typed this post, KHON, KITV, KGMB, KHNL was back "in-the-clear"!

Only KHON, KITV, KGMB, KHNL and KHET are available "In-the-clear" in HD by using a TV with a QAM tuner.
Oceanic doesn't officially support reception of channels with QAM tuners, so you won't get a specific guide or location of these channels. But the programming is a 100% simulcast of the "regular" stations.

Most current listing of QAM "in-the-clear" channels.

HD:
83-3 KHNL(NBC)
85-3 KHON(FOX)
113-1 KGMB(CBS)
114-2 KITV(ABC)
120-12 KHET(PBS)

SD:
85-4 KHON-CW
106-3 KIKU
106-5 KBFD
106-8 KBS America
115-3 PBS Kids
117-5 KFVE
117-6 KITV
117-7 KGMB
117-8 KHNL
117-10 KHET

It seems Oceanic have added Fox Business News HD.... wished they had added CNBC instead!!!

i don't see that here in honolulu ... what channel is it on? is everyone else getting this channel, too?

i don't see that here in honolulu ... what channel is it on? is everyone else getting this channel, too?

Not showing on my HD list either. I'm in Honolulu too. Maybe it was just a test that day.

i don't see that here in honolulu ... what channel is it on? is everyone else getting this channel, too?

It was on 1108. When I saw it it was only showing picture - it had no sound. I suppose they were only testing it. It's no longer showing up on my cable box.

Friday: Oct 3, 2008.
Oceanic launches 4 HD channels

Oceanic Time Warner Cable said this week it will launch four new high-definition premium channels on Monday. The new channels, which will be available on Oahu and Kauai, will include Hallmark Movie Channel HD on digital Channel 1453, Fox Business HD on digital Channel 1108, Big Ten HD on digital Channel 1248, and the Travel Channel HD on digital Channel 1325.

With the addition of the four new HD channels, Oceanic now offers 42 HDTV channels, including local broadcasters KITV, KHNL, KHON, KHET; and cable networks such as Discovery HD Theater, ESPN, National Geographic Channel, HBO, Showtime and HD Showcase On Demand. Oceanic plans to add more HD channels by the end of the year.

I am very pleased with the addition of Travel Channel HD. Travel shows in general especially benefit from HD. No need to actually spend money to travel anywhere any longer - looks better on TV!

sigh

Still waiting for Bravo and Sci-Fi in HD

Yep, need those two badly - I keep emailing them. I boycotted all their new shows this summer in protest - I'm sure it really helps!

I'm sure we'll get Sci-Fi HD shortly after the last episode of Stargate Atlantis (which was not renewed for another season after this one). Sigh. At least we should get to see the final season of Galactica in HD...maybe. I guess I'll have to wait for the Blu-ray releases to see them in HD glory.

A DirecTV installer told me a couple of weeks ago that my second dish pointed to the 110/119 satellites, not used currently, could be used in the future for international channels. So, maybe.

GregLee

Why is that second satellite currently not in use? What was it use before? Do you now use only one satellite to receive both SD and HD signal???

Oceanic has rolled out the start over and enhanced viewing options for digital cable customers here in Kona on the Big Island.

GregLee

Why is that second satellite currently not in use? What was it use before? Do you now use only one satellite to receive both SD and HD signal???

I believe the channels were being migrated and consolidated onto their recent launches. They did not want to alienate customers, who perhaps had a dish pointed at one satellite to receive HBOHD and its not moved to a newer satellite. I can confirm a DirecTV installer told me once they are done relocating all of their duplicate channels there is a chance Hawaii will be able to use a satellite that is closer to us, thus allowing us to receive better reception.

Do not know anything about potential move/addition of international channels.

I'm sure we'll get Sci-Fi HD shortly after the last episode of Stargate Atlantis (which was not renewed for another season after this one). Sigh. At least we should get to see the final season of Galactica in HD...maybe. I guess I'll have to wait for the Blu-ray releases to see them in HD glory.

Being a big space fan, you should try DirecTV, it's had sci-fi hd for a while! :-)

Being a big space fan, you should try DirecTV, it's had sci-fi hd for a while! :-)

I would if I could! I live in a townhouse and the Association would never let me put anything on the roof. For me, Oceanic is the only game in town unless I move somewhere else. I'm actually considering doing that possibly late next spring.

GregLee

Why is that second satellite currently not in use? What was it use before? Do you now use only one satellite to receive both SD and HD signal???
Up to a few weeks ago, I had two 1.2 meter dishes, one receiving satellite signals from three directions -- 99, 101, and 103 degrees -- and the other from satellites at 110 and 119 degrees. But DirecTV recently launched an additional satellite, D11, that occupies the 99 degree orbital slot, and duplicated the national channels that were carried on the 110/119 satellites on the new D11 satellite at 99 degrees, so that now (if you have an MPEG4 receiver), it is no longer necessary to receive a signal from the 110/119 satellites for the national (or Hawaii local) channels. The dish pointed at 110/119 degrees is still up on my roof, but I no longer need it, and it's not connected.

The single dish I'm using now receives signals from satellites in three orbital slots: 99, 101, and 103 degrees. (Some of these slots have more than one satellite.) I used to need the 110/119 satellites for receiving the signals for the MPEG2 HD channels in the 70s -- e.g., HBOHD, SHOWHD, HDNET -- but these channels are now also carried as MPEG4 signals on the new D11 satellite in orbital slot 99 degrees.

Some of the satellites in the 110 and 119 degree orbital slots may be repurposed to carry some international programming, or not, it's just a rumor, so far as I know.

Thanks ardentsilent and greglee

Travel, Hallmark and Fox Business News are now on HD on Oceanic.

^ ^ ^

Great, now I can watch HD Travel and cry about places I'll never get to visit, watch HD Hallmark and cry watching EVERY one of their movies, and watch HD Business News and cry about the economy.

I need a drink.

greglee does this mean I can get rid of my Dsih Net and get sd and HD on 1 dish with dtv

greglee does this mean I can get rid of my Dsih Net and get sd and HD on 1 dish with dtv
I don't have any direct information about how new subscribers are affected, but I guess that it would mean that, assuming your location is in line of sight to the satellites at 99, 101, and 103 degrees West longitude.

^ ^ ^

Great, now I can watch HD Travel and cry about places I'll never get to visit, watch HD Hallmark and cry watching EVERY one of their movies, and watch HD Business News and cry about the economy.

I need a drink.
Actually I prefer travel by HDTV instead of going. The travel shows have access to things you'll never see when you visit. I've seen travel shows on desinations that I have been to and the shows show more than I ever saw while I was there.

Now if you are going to visit a place and stay there for months then that experience is worthwhile. However, spending a ton of money to take a week-long trip someplace is a waste of money - the week is over before you know it, you probably didn't get to see that much, and it's exhausting.

But I did get a chuckle from your assessment of the 3 channels that were added. What happened to #1248 they added for a few hours & is now gone? I emailed OTW but no reply yet.

does anyone know when dish will stop discriminating against their HI subs and start offering for HD channels instead of the lousy 9 that they offer now? It's so sad that they are the worst provider in the state. Their crap isn't even mpeg4 yet unless you live in the east.

does anyone know when dish will stop discriminating against their HI subs and start offering for HD channels instead of the lousy 9 that they offer now? It's so sad that they are the worst provider in the state. Their crap isn't even mpeg4 yet unless you live in the east.

Call the Satellite guy in McCully. He'll tell to you how they are getting new HD stations installed at this very minute. I've heard them say that from 18 months ago. Thank god my commitment is over. I just installed Directv. Nuff said.

RE: Channel 1900 HD Showcase Election 2008.

While I enjoy many of the free HD VOD offerings, I am outraged at the Election 08 section. It's all Democrat speakers!!!! If OTW wants to provide election info, there should be an equal amount of material for each party or don't provide any at all.

PS: Ripetv.com Ed & Red shows are a hoot and great eye candy, too. There are only 3 but I hope they expand that.

I asked Oceanic if it was going to add more HD channels before the end of the year and this is the email I got back:

"We just added Travel, Fox Business News and Hallmark Movie Channel HD.
We plan to replace Mojo with MGM Movies HD in November (Mojo is shutting
down) and will probably add another 3-4 channels in HD before year-end.
We are looking at Style, E!, full time Golf and full time Versus. The
Weather Channel in HD is also being considered. "

Thanks for the info Jim. I'm glad Oceanic is adding even more HD channels, and I hope the trend continues next year. MGM Movies sounds good, but unfortunately those other 4 they plan on adding interest me very little. Ah well, someone elses turn to be happy. Looking forward to Sci-Fi and Bravo in HD next year (fingeres crossed).

http://mobile.multichannel.com/index.asp?layout=article&articleid=CA6603684

Washington -- TV stations in Hawaii are in serious discussions to make the digital TV transition on Jan. 15 -- more than a month before the rest of the country -- partly to avoid disturbance to the nesting habitat of the dark-rumped petrel near existing analog broadcast towers.

*snip* What happened to #1248 they added for a few hours & is now gone? I emailed OTW but no reply yet.

1248 is up here in Honolulu but you need to subscribe to The Sports Pak in order to get it (I just called Oceanic to inquire and the rep told me that the price will increase in March by $1).

do you guys know if the Western Digital 500GB DVR Expander works with out cable boxes. I been reading all over and it depends on the provider if the sata port is even activated. I'm on oceanic with a Scientific Atlanta 8300HDC. I work nights so i been recording a lot of the shows i miss that are in HD and man it fills up fast fast. Also any other recomendations on other ways to expand the DVR capabilities. Thanks.

do you guys know if the Western Digital 500GB DVR Expander works with out cable boxes. I been reading all over and it depends on the provider if the sata port is even activated. I'm on oceanic with a Scientific Atlanta 8300HDC. I work nights so i been recording a lot of the shows i miss that are in HD and man it fills up fast fast. Also any other recomendations on other ways to expand the DVR capabilities. Thanks.
Yes the port is activated. It should work OK now while we are still using "Sara". However, eventually they will change our software to TWC's own "Navigator" and folks have had lots of trouble with that trying to use their expander drives. Recent updates of Navigator seem to be working better, but you should go to the Navigator threads & read user experiences.

Howzit everyone,

first timer here.
I'm in the Manoa/University area and using a PC type of HD card and seems to work fine with just a rabbit-ear type antenna. I can get KHON, KGMB, KHON-CW, KITV-HD; but I can't get KFVE and KHNL. anyone in this area able to catch these 2 channels? if so, what kind of antenna (or TV) do you have?

thanks!

Can't get them either. Looking at the FCC data they are using a low-power directional antenna on the ridge above Makakilo. You could probably get it OK in Waipahu or Pearl City or downtown high-rise, but that may be about it. I'm hoping they will boost their signal and/or put up an omni-directional antenna by the Feb switch-over.

scott s.
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I was just curious to see if it's my tuner card (or antenna) or something else.
thanks for the info Scott967! hopefully they do get some stronger signal.

do you guys know if the Western Digital 500GB DVR Expander works with out cable boxes.

I was also considering the same thing. Best Buy has it in stock for about $185. What's the latest rumor on when the conversion to Navigator might take place? I've read that the WD Expander works on Navigator, but I wonder if it'll require a re-format after the conversion? I also wonder what'll happen to your recorded programs?

I was also considering the same thing. Best Buy has it in stock for about $185. What's the latest rumor on when the conversion to Navigator might take place? I've read that the WD Expander works on Navigator, but I wonder if it'll require a re-format after the conversion? I also wonder what'll happen to your recorded programs?
Here's the AVS thread on Navigator.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=723830&page=195

OTW cust svc said they have no plans to switch to Navigator in Hawaii, but I believe they will next year because they will want the same software nationwide.

Your drive will work with Navigator, but the sleep mode of Navigator causes problems with the external drive. If a format were necessary, you'll lose your saved programs. Read through the above thread back a few months to get a feel for what to expect.

any thought or info if we will ever be getting new cable boxes. i mean i been reading that cisco is releasing the 8500 series boxes that have a lot of more capabilities than the 8300HDC's that we have. as well as being more stable and less temperamental. i'm guessing that it also depends on the software its running.

i'm always in the mood to try new things and just looking at the way navigator looks the graphics etc. especially since the new update they have on it seems to have solved a lot of the quirks that everyone was complaining about. It looks way better then our generic SARA that we got. i mean don't get me wrong. it works and i haven't had to much problems but it just looks so BASIC and OLD.

C'mon oceanic, get with the times. J/K but i knwo i'm not the only one that must have seen the navigator sofware and would love to try it. I would have been stoked if we got the passport software. at least that one has more of an updated graphical interface.

FYI, i also found out that the Cisco 8500 series cable boxes allow for widescreen program guide. As in when your on a HD channel (16x9) and you go to guide it can use the whole screen instead of the 4x3 view with bars on the right sides.

again, just my opinion but C'MON OCEANIC :)

http://www.starbulletin.com/business/20081017_FCC_fines_Oceanic_40000_orders_refunds.html

Oceanic Time Warner Cable has been ordered to pay $40,000 in fines and to reimburse certain customers on Oahu and Kauai for implementing switched digital video service last November.

any thought or info if we will ever be getting new cable boxes. i mean i been reading that cisco is releasing the 8500 series boxes that have a lot of more capabilities than the 8300HDC's that we have. as well as being more stable and less temperamental. i'm guessing that it also depends on the software its running.

i'm always in the mood to try new things and just looking at the way navigator looks the graphics etc. especially since the new update they have on it seems to have solved a lot of the quirks that everyone was complaining about. It looks way better then our generic SARA that we got. i mean don't get me wrong. it works and i haven't had to much problems but it just looks so BASIC and OLD.

C'mon oceanic, get with the times. J/K but i knwo i'm not the only one that must have seen the navigator sofware and would love to try it. I would have been stoked if we got the passport software. at least that one has more of an updated graphical interface.

FYI, i also found out that the Cisco 8500 series cable boxes allow for widescreen program guide. As in when your on a HD channel (16x9) and you go to guide it can use the whole screen instead of the 4x3 view with bars on the right sides.

again, just my opinion but C'MON OCEANIC :)
I don't think you are fully grasping the Navigator situation. It isn't reliable. Sara is. That's all that matters. You are focusing too much on the pretty interface. I need a DVR that records shows when I want them reliably. The rest is fluff.

Passport cannot be used because it doesn't support Switched Digital Video which is now used in Hawaii*. Also in case you don't know, Hawaii's TWC is a test-bed for the entire TWC system - we had call waiting & start-over years before others have gotten it or haven't get gotten it. Take passport out of your mind - it is gone & has been replaced throughout the TWC system across the nation.

*SDV is needed to allow more HD channels in a limited bandwidth network. It's sort of a "pay per view" in that the signal only is sent to your node if someone on your node demands it. This is why we've had more HD channels for the past year than many cities on the mainland. We got SDV implemented a year ago - San Diego just deployed it very recently.

I don't think you are fully grasping the Navigator situation. It isn't reliable. Sara is. That's all that matters. You are focusing too much on the pretty interface. I need a DVR that records shows when I want them reliably. The rest is fluff.

Passport cannot be used because it doesn't support Switched Digital Video which is now used in Hawaii*. Also in case you don't know, Hawaii's TWC is a test-bed for the entire TWC system - we had call waiting & start-over years before others have gotten it or haven't get gotten it. Take passport out of your mind - it is gone & has been replaced throughout the TWC system across the nation.

*SDV is needed to allow more HD channels in a limited bandwidth network. It's sort of a "pay per view" in that the signal only is sent to your node if someone on your node demands it. This is why we've had more HD channels for the past year than many cities on the mainland. We got SDV implemented a year ago - San Diego just deployed it very recently.

And SDV stlll sucks because it killed HD channels for those of us that are using cablecards. I would have gladly sacrificed 18 million Pizza Hut channels for having non SDV HD channels. Still waiting for the tuning adaptor ... :mad:

And SDV stlll sucks because it killed HD channels for those of us that are using cablecards. I would have gladly sacrificed 18 million Pizza Hut channels for having non SDV HD channels. Still waiting for the tuning adaptor ... :mad:

Hey, just wait until they roll out Pizza Hut HD! High-Def images of sausage, pepperoni and tons of melted cheese.... :D

I don't think you are fully grasping the Navigator situation. It isn't reliable. Sara is. That's all that matters. You are focusing too much on the pretty interface. I need a DVR that records shows when I want them reliably. The rest is fluff.

Passport cannot be used because it doesn't support Switched Digital Video which is now used in Hawaii*. Also in case you don't know, Hawaii's TWC is a test-bed for the entire TWC system - we had call waiting & start-over years before others have gotten it or haven't get gotten it. Take passport out of your mind - it is gone & has been replaced throughout the TWC system across the nation.

*SDV is needed to allow more HD channels in a limited bandwidth network. It's sort of a "pay per view" in that the signal only is sent to your node if someone on your node demands it. This is why we've had more HD channels for the past year than many cities on the mainland. We got SDV implemented a year ago - San Diego just deployed it very recently.

i know we are the test bed that why i'm surprised that we never test out hte navigator software on us. A lot of other states have it. If you read online like i was saying there was some sort of update recently to it which fixed A LOT of the problems and it seems the general consensus was that ppl liked it now i just want to try it. just me, my personal opinion

100% agree on the SDV though. they should start at least trying to compete with Dish and DTV. At least try and pick up some of the other popular channels that they have in HD that we don't. that will be a HUGE POSITIVE. Its slowly but surely coming, but why the wait.

I was wondering if anyone here has been able to record HD thru firewire from the SA8300HD on a mac. I had previously tried in on a PC, but was never able to get it to work. However, I'm now contemplating buying the new Macbook Pro vs. MacBook. If I'd be able to use the firewire connection in the Pro to record from the 8300HD, I thought I might go with that instead of the MacBook (that doesn't have firewire anymore).

I was wondering if anyone here has been able to record HD thru firewire from the SA8300HD on a mac.
I never tried this, but the last I heard, the firewire port on the SA8300HD was not live. OTW used to provide a cable box with active firewire, and perhaps it still does, but not the SA8300HD.

I never tried this, but the last I heard, the firewire port on the SA8300HD was not live. OTW used to provide a cable box with active firewire, and perhaps it still does, but not the SA8300HD.

The firewire port has been active on the 8300HD through at least the first half of September. That's when my Mits DLP HDTV finally crapped out. Up to that point, I had been watching HD from the 8300 through the firewire port exclusively since my TV's HDMI and component inputs became unwatchable with various problems on the TV side.

A few years ago I was able to record HD through the firewire port to my PC with no problem. However, Oceanic recently began to encrypt most of their HD channels as "copy once". What this means is that unless your PC or Mac is 5c compliant, you will not be able to view or record these channels to your computer at all. The newly instituted encryption will not allow it.

Hey, just wait until they roll out Pizza Hut HD! High-Def images of sausage, pepperoni and tons of melted cheese.... :D

LOL! I think I've said in the past that I'd watch anything in HD but that might have to be the exception ...

The firewire port has been active on the 8300HD through at least the first half of September. That's when my Mits DLP HDTV finally crapped out. Up to that point, I had been watching HD from the 8300 through the firewire port exclusively since my TV's HDMI and component inputs became unwatchable with various problems on the TV side.

A few years ago I was able to record HD through the firewire port to my PC with no problem. However, Oceanic recently began to encrypt most of their HD channels as "copy once". What this means is that unless your PC or Mac is 5c compliant, you will not be able to view or record these channels to your computer at all. The newly instituted encryption will not allow it.

Thanks for the information, guess I'll be getting a Macbook instead of the Pro.

Please go and vote today!

CableCARD / SDV adapters are on their way soon. Looks like TWC will provide them to affected customers at no charge.

http://www.lightreading.com/document.asp?doc_id=167248&site=cdn

The FCC this week issued fines of $20,000 each for alleged violations by the Cox system in Fairfax County, Va.; and for Time Warner Cable's systems in Kauai and Oahu, Hawaii. The Commission is also requiring the operators to refund affected customers based on when the MSOs deployed SDV in those systems. The FCC noted it can fine operators up to $32,000 for each violation or each day of a continuing violation, up to a statutory maximum of $325,000 for any single continuing violation.

Does anybody want to guess if any of us that are using CCs now are ever going to see those refunds from Oceanic? (snort)

Does anybody want to guess if any of us that are using CCs now are ever going to see those refunds from Oceanic? (snort)

For those interested in the details.

http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-08-2300A1.pdf

D. TWC Must Issue Refunds To Customers Harmed by its SDV Implementation

37. TWC's implementation of SDV has harmed its customers who opted to
purchase and use television receiving equipment that does not require
a cable operator-supplied set-top device to receive cable service.
Many consumers purchased expensive UDCPs, such as "cable ready"
televisions and digital video recorders like TiVos, based on the
reasonable assumption that no set-top box would be necessary to
receive linear programming. In effect, TWC's movement of linear
programming to an SDV platform has substantially diminished the value
of its customers' UDCP devices. Moreover, CableCARD customers affected
by TWC's SDV deployment now must pay higher prices to lease set-top
boxes than they would have paid for CableCARDs. Those CableCARD
customers who chose not to obtain the TWC-supplied set-top boxes after
the implementation of SDV nevertheless have paid the same monthly rate
for their cable service even though they can view significantly fewer
channels. Most importantly, however, TWC's movement of linear
programming to an SDV platform set back the shared goal of Congress
and the Commission of a competitive market for commercially available
navigation devices, as required by Section 629 and the Commission's
rules.

38. In calculating the harm to TWC's customers who use UDCP equipment, we
recognize that TWC has made offers to its CableCARD customers to
offset the costs of obtaining a set-top box. TWC states that to
mitigate the impact of its SDV deployment, it offered subscribers with
UDCPs in its Hawaii Division the opportunity to lease an interactive
set-top box for two years for the same monthly charge as a CableCARD.
Specifically, TWC's notice to its customers states that the customer
can exchange each CableCARD for a digital cable box at no extra charge
and encourages customers to call to schedule a free visit. The notice
also states that "[d]iscounting the digital box(es) in exchange for
the cable card(s) will continue for a minimum of two years." While
TWC's offer to provide a free set-top box to its CableCARD customers
may provide temporary relief to its customers, it is not a permanent
solution - the benefits promised by TWC are, at best, limited in
duration. TWC's offer does not address the critical problem concerning
the company's interference with its customers' use of independently
obtained UDCPs, i.e., the loss of service to the extent customers can
view fewer channels than they did before the movement of linear
programming to an SDV platform, nor does it address the loss of
functionality of the device in question.

39. Thus, we order TWC, within ninety (90) days of this NAL and Order, to
issue refunds to CableCARD customers affected by the November 6, 2007
implementation of SDV in its Oceanic Kauai cable system. Specifically,
TWC must provide refunds as follows:

a. For former CableCARD customers that began to lease any set-top boxes
from TWC following notice of a possible SDV deployment, TWC must
refund the difference in cost (if any) between the charges for the TWC
set-top boxes and the CableCARDs previously leased by such customers;
and

b. For CableCARD customers that kept their CableCARDs even after notice
of the SDV deployment, TWC must refund the customers' subscriber fees
based on the diminished value of their service following the movement
of linear programming to an SDV platform and reduce their rates on a
going-forward basis accordingly.

Interesting how that ruling only seems to refer to Oceanic Kauai and not the rest of the system. I wonder if the ruling is also binding for Oahu customers as well?

Anyone else get a letter from Oceanic announcing you can pre-order the Tuning adapter for Tivo and that it's coming out "later this year"? Joy, I called the number on the letter but no one picked up at this hour. First thing Monday, I'll be on hold with Oceanic.

Anyone else get a letter from Oceanic announcing you can pre-order the Tuning adapter for Tivo and that it's coming out "later this year"? Joy, I called the number on the letter but no one picked up at this hour. First thing Monday, I'll be on hold with Oceanic.

I got the letter Saturday. Were you able to pre-order over the phone? I tried the URL provided, but when I put in my zip code it just takes me to the Oceanic website.

I got the letter Saturday. Were you able to pre-order over the phone? I tried the URL provided, but when I put in my zip code it just takes me to the Oceanic website.
I was put on a waiting list for the tuning adapter, took about 1/2 hour for Carol at customer service to figure out what a tuning adapter was and what list to put me on. Thankfully she called me back instead of having me wait 1/2 hour over the phone.

The URL is dumb, its a bad joke, just keeps going back to the Oceanic front page. I told the CR but she had a "not my problem" attitude.

The URL is dumb, its a bad joke, just keeps going back to the Oceanic front page. I told the CR but she had a "not my problem" attitude.

I did place a pre-order on the web, but I had to go through a back door. I don't even know if it will work.

When you go to the url, put in the zip code of San Antonio, Texas (78201). There you can click on a link to order the adapter. The order form asks for your address, including state, so I think it is just a generic corporate form. On the other hand, it may just go down some deep hole, so I plan to try my luck on the phone as well.

Can someone post the number to call? Or is it the generic Oceanic customer service number?

Can someone post the number to call? Or is it the generic Oceanic customer service number?

The number provided in the letter is 643-2337. But I think this just takes you to the standard customer service voice menus.

I did call yesterday, and I was pleasantly surprised that the CSR guessed I have a Tivo and knew about the letter and the pre-orders. She said another department is handling the tuning adapter distribution, but she put my name and contact phone number on "The List". So now I will sit and wait.

So what are the differences between the cable card/tuning adapter combo versus cable box? I know that one is the monthly price of cable card ($3.10/mo.) versus cable box ($7.52) plus dvr ($9.95). Do you lose the ability to do pay-per-view?

The number provided in the letter is 643-2337. But I think this just takes you to the standard customer service voice menus.

I did call yesterday, and I was pleasantly surprised that the CSR guessed I have a Tivo and knew about the letter and the pre-orders. She said another department is handling the tuning adapter distribution, but she put my name and contact phone number on "The List". So now I will sit and wait.

Thank you! Now to find time to call ... :D

So what are the differences between the cable card/tuning adapter combo versus cable box? I know that one is the monthly price of cable card ($3.10/mo.) versus cable box ($7.52) plus dvr ($9.95). Do you lose the ability to do pay-per-view?

Yeah, I don't think having the tuning adapter would allow you to do PPV ... the tuning adapter allows for communication to the head office regarding what channel that you want to tune in but I suspect that it's not the full 2-way communication that's required to order and authenticate PPV.

Not so much of a pay-per-view user, but I do subscribe to the HD Pak. Hopefully that'll be unaffected by using cable card.

I've read that some people on the mainland have had billing issues with their local Time Warner providers that their cable cards didn't qualify them for their equivalent of the OTW Surf Pak. Anyone know if there are issues here?

Wanted to pass along a tip and thanks to Ross Oshiro of Turbo Tech Electronics in Kalihi. He just serviced my 10+ year old Pioneer PDP-502MX plasma panel that had a dead or dying power supply. I found out htat Pioneer's website had a "warranty replacement" for the PS on many older model panels, including my ancient one and the replacement included "on site" repair. Pioneer assigned Ross to the call, he ordered the part to be overnighted to Honolulu and came out to Kapolei to install it.

Great service all around from Pioneer and Ross.

That's good service, Mark. Congrats on getting your plasma serviced!

Copied from the Oceanic website:

"In addition, from time to time we make certain changes in the services that we offer in order to better serve our customers. The following changes are planned:

Effective November 25, 2008, KWBN airing Daystar programming on Ch. 28 will be removed from analog on Oahu. The Daystar Network has been added statewide to Digital Channel 28 (29 on Kauai). On December 1, MOJO will no longer exist as a network. We will remove MOJO and add MGM HD to our digital HD Entertainment tier. On December 8, 2008 the combined Golf/Versus HD network will split into two individual channels: Golf HD and Versus HD.

Oceanic, Time Warner Cable "

Thanks for that info Jim!

But the big unanswered question is still: "Whenthehell do we get SciFi HD????" They said it was coming, but that was a few months ago already!

Only KHON, KITV, KGMB, KHNL and KHET are available "In-the-clear" in HD by using a TV with a QAM tuner.
Oceanic doesn't officially support reception of channels with QAM tuners, so you won't get a specific guide or location of these channels. But the programming is a 100% simulcast of the "regular" stations.

Most current listing of QAM "in-the-clear" channels.

HD:
...
120-12 KHET(PBS)

SD:
...
106-3 KIKU
...
117-8 KHNL
117-10 KHET

Hi, May I jump in with a 'newbie' question?

I landed on this forum/thread when I googled "KHNL 117-8" (& this the only 'hit') ... frustrated that I have not been able to get Oceanic to answer my basic question for the last week.

In a nutshell: we have had basic cable service for years as part of our condo association -- no box, no fees ... just happy that things TV (mostly) work. We just got a new TV (needed one that would work with an AppleTV box) and now see that we get some 'extra' channels (such as some, but not all, of those I've quoted above).

I have the cable 'split' -- for the new cable modem and for an EyeTV box, as well as what goes to the TV. We are getting KHNL on 117-8, even though the 'welcome' letter from Oceanic says that KHNL is 88 (which we cannot get).

My questions:

(1) Why 117-8, and not 88? And where would I find lineup listings for these? (e.g., on the TitanTV service)

(2) Why can I get 117-8 on the TV but not on the EyeTV box (or on our old VCRs)? It looks like this "QAM" is part of the puzzle ... does this mean the old VCRs won't be useful come January? As for EyeTV, it is supposed to be able to tune to digital signals so I can't figure out why it isn't reaching (say) 117-8.

(3) The list I've quoted indicates KIKU as 106-3 but I do not appear to be able to tune to that one. (a real disappointment since we have fought with 'ghosting' KGMB over the KIKU shows for years!)

Thanks in advance! (From reading through just this thread I see I have a LOT of new terms to catch up on!)
~ Keri

Any updates on DISH providing more HD stuff.
Also does anyone know why there is no khnl hd on dish
Heroes in SD sicks on a 50"

Also does anyone know why there is no khnl hd on dish
The satellite uplink facility cannot see the KHNL hdtv broadcast antenna, due to terrain, and a land line will be required, which nobody has yet found the money for. This is my understanding, from reading previous postings in this thread from Charles O. There was a rumor last August that the land line would be laid, but it just didn't happen, for some reason. I eagerly await the day when DirecTV will carry KHNL in HD.

Any updates on DISH providing more HD stuff.
Also does anyone know why there is no khnl hd on dish
Heroes in SD sicks on a 50"

In the last month, including today, DISH uplinked 11 HD channels @ 110 but have not made them available to subs in AK/HI. Next week Ciel-2 launches to 129w. We should be able to get more HD channels once that comes on online. But who knows with DISH. They treat their AK/HI subs like dirt.

We've been noticing that the SA3800HD DVR runs a lot hotter than the SD version DVR that we have in another room. Oceanic swapped the HD box about three weeks ago to a current unit and that one was really toasty. Stood in line at the Tech Park and traded it for another one . . . a bit cooler than the last one, but the SD DVR is much cooler.

Anyone notice the same?

In the last month, including today, DISH uplinked 11 HD channels @ 110 but have not made them available to subs in AK/HI. Next week Ciel-2 launches to 129w. We should be able to get more HD channels once that comes on online. But who knows with DISH. They treat their AK/HI subs like dirt.

they just came and put the new dish 500 in my house i believe this only can receive 2 satelites 110 and 119, if the 129 goes up does this mean I will ned another dish?

they just came and put the new dish 500 in my house i believe this only can receive 2 satelites 110 and 119, if the 129 goes up does this mean I will ned another dish?

No, I think the 129 bird is supposed to have stronger spotbeams which would allow us to receive more HD. I'm not sure if 129 sends the signal to 110 or 119 and then to us. There's major changes going on now on the Western Arc to convert everything to MPEG-4. Out of curiousity, who did your install?

Hi, May I jump in with a 'newbie' question?

(1) Why 117-8, and not 88? And where would I find lineup listings for these? (e.g., on the TitanTV service)

117.8 is the actual channel location digitally on Oceanic's Network. "88" is a virtual channel that would tune to using a Digital Cable box.

(2) Why can I get 117-8 on the TV but not on the EyeTV box (or on our old VCRs)? It looks like this "QAM" is part of the puzzle ... does this mean the old VCRs won't be useful come January? As for EyeTV, it is supposed to be able to tune to digital signals so I can't figure out why it isn't reaching (say) 117-8.

Not familiar with EyeTV but if it doesn't include a QAM tuner, it can't "see" the xx.2 type channels. Analog cable isn't going away, they will operate the same as now after the Jan. 15 OTA switchover.

(3) The list I've quoted indicates KIKU as 106-3 but I do not appear to be able to tune to that one. (a real disappointment since we have fought with 'ghosting' KGMB over the KIKU shows for years!)

Here's the latest list that I have:
Oceanic QAM Channels

83.3 KHNL (HD) NBC
85.3 KHON (HD) FOX
85.4 CW Hawaii (SD)
106.8 KBS America (SD) Korean
113.1 KGMB (HD) CBS
113.4 KIKU (SD) Ethnic
113.5 KBFD (SD) Korean
114.2 KITV (HD) ABC
115.3 PBS Kids (SD)
117.5 KFVE (SD) MyTv
117.6 KITV (SD) ABC
117.7 KGMB (SD) CBS
117.8 KHNL (SD) NBC
120.12 KHET (HD) PBS

In other news...On or around Jan. 15, 09 Oceanic will be adding KFVE in HD.
As for KHNL in HD on Dish or Directv, same timeframe. Both are related to the analog shutdown. They both are taking a fiber feed from KHNL/KFVE's new studios in HD and will down convert the feed for SD viewers. KHNL/KFVE are also converting their news ops to HD as well, so appear to be the winners in who will air Hawaii's first HD newscast.

Stephanie Lum in HD FTW! :D

KHNL Newscast will go HD on December 20th....

This is from the Pacific Business News website:

Story here (http://pacific.bizjournals.com/pacific/stories/2008/12/08/story1.html?b=1228712400^1743550)

It says that PBS bought the old KHNL property. Also in that article, it says that KHNL will move in its new studio in 2 weeks "and will go on the air with Hawaii’s first high-definition newscast on Dec. 22, according to General Manager John Fink."

Thanks for that info Jim!

But the big unanswered question is still: "Whenthehell do we get SciFi HD????" They said it was coming, but that was a few months ago already!

Taken from the Oceanic website:

"In addition, from time to time we make certain changes in the services that we offer in order to better serve our customers. The following changes are planned:

On or about January 15, 2009 we will add KFVE to our digital lineup on Channel 1005. We also plan to add Major League Baseball Channel, Chiller, Sci Fi HD and CNBC HD by January 31, 2009.

The new services listed below cannot be accessed on CableCARD-equipped Unidirectional Digital Cable Products purchased at retail without additional, two-way capable equipment: Major League Baseball Channel, Chiller, Sci Fi HD and CNBC HD."

No, I think the 129 bird is supposed to have stronger spotbeams which would allow us to receive more HD. I'm not sure if 129 sends the signal to 110 or 119 and then to us. There's major changes going on now on the Western Arc to convert everything to MPEG-4. Out of curiousity, who did your install?
some microcomm sub, they did an allright job, but i wanted the dish on my ropoftop, and they looked at me like I was crazy, i just wanted the dish out of site, i was glad to see it was not a big dish though
the new nish 500-h was nice i thought it was going to be that huge white eye-sore i see on many peoples house

It never fails to amaze me how the engineers at KHON always forget to record the beginning of the primetime shows in HD until halfway through the show.

Case in point: Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles is nearly always taped in SD until halfway through the show (or more, in tonight's case).

On the other hand, the KHNL and KITV engineers never seem to miss a beat.

I realize that there are many things that are much worse in life at this point, but the engineers at KHON shouldn't be so damn forgetful. Very sloppy.

It never fails to amaze me how the engineers at KHON always forget to record the beginning of the primetime shows in HD until halfway through the show.

Case in point: Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles is nearly always taped in SD until halfway through the show (or more, in tonight's case).

On the other hand, the KHNL and KITV engineers never seem to miss a beat.

I realize that there are many things that are much worse in life at this point, but the engineers at KHON shouldn't be so damn forgetful. Very sloppy.

i agree! i think terminator is the only hd show i watch on fox but it seems like it is hardly ever in hd all the way through.

Case in point: Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles is nearly always taped in SD until halfway through the show (or more, in tonight's case).

On the other hand, the KHNL and KITV engineers never seem to miss a beat.


I've seen this several times with KHNL, so they're not that much better than KHON. Whether it's because of glitches or human error is unknown.

i agree! i think terminator is the only hd show i watch on fox but it seems like it is hardly ever in hd all the way through.

In addition to Terminator, I watch House and Fringe, and next month 24 will start up again. Whatever the problems are, I wish they'd all get their acts together.

i agree! i think terminator is the only hd show i watch on fox but it seems like it is hardly ever in hd all the way through.
KHON has had trouble with their new HD recording equipment since they put it on line last April. I thought it would have been solved much sooner. This is not a case of them forgetting to record HD at the start. Until they get this running propertly, don't look for CW in HD anytime soon.

Actually, a couple of things to correct:

KHON has had trouble with their new HD recording equipment since they put it on line last April. I thought it would have been solve much sooner.

KHON has been broadcasting prime-time shows in HD for some time. It's just that they forget to tape the first portion of the first prime-time show in HD until halfway through. Then they switch over to the HD recording. This has happened repeatedly over the year.

This is not a case of them forgetting to record HD at the start.

Actually, it is. And there's a clear pattern here.

Until they get this running propertly, don't look for CW in HD anytime soon.

Uh... obviously you don't watch Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles, which is a Fox show. Not CW. And Terminator has been shown in HD by KHON many times, except for the first portion of the show which is usually in SD. It's engineer-error, not system.

Is anyone else not able to receive DISH at the moment?

Is anyone else not able to receive DISH at the moment?

We lost signal around 7ish for about 20 or so minutes. But all day today we don't have K5 and PBS which my little one get her kicks from. Whats the deal???

We lost signal around 7ish for about 20 or so minutes. But all day today we don't have K5 and PBS which my little one get her kicks from. Whats the deal???
I think the transmitters are off. Probably due to loss of communication links with the main studios.

I've seen this several times with KHNL, so they're not that much better than KHON. Whether it's because of glitches or human error is unknown.



true. khnl missed the office in hd on thurs and now saturday night live has at least started in sd.

maybe the hd switchers are on vacation.

true. khnl missed the office in hd on thurs and now saturday night live has at least started in sd.

maybe the hd switchers are on vacation.

ALL of SNL was SD. And there was all manner of tearing & flashing (even reverse video) during commercial breaks - it looked like bad analog problems because I didn't notice any macroblock effects. This morning the KHNL rookies have screwed up the signal so bad that my DVR can't lock & decode it on power up, and I have switch channels to get anything other than a black screen. Oh, and did I mention there is no audio? Right now - and I have verified it on two different ATSC devices. I don't know how these people can keep claiming "equipment problems" this late in the game (hello - Jan 15, 2009 anyone?) and even more amazing - people seem to believe them! How do they propose to successfully execute HD local news production when they can't seem to handle day-to-day network rebroadcast?

Any news on KGMB implementing TVGOS in ATSC on or before our DTV transition? Will they even make it before 15 Feb? How about 2010?

QAM buddies -

Universal HD network (all HD all the time) on 77.1 (new?) see: http://www.universalhd.com/app/Schedule/index.php (schedule)

ABC HD -114.2
NBC HD - 83.1
CBS HD - 113.1
PBS HD - 120.1
FOX HD - 85.7

CW SD - 85.3
Thumbnails of news networks on 77.2
Thumbnails of sports network son 77.3
Find digital copies (SD) of all local stations and some cable networks on 117.x

Hope this helps. I love QAM! :)
-Marc (in Kapiolani)

Actually, a couple of things to correct:



KHON has been broadcasting prime-time shows in HD for some time. It's just that they forget to tape the first portion of the first prime-time show in HD until halfway through. Then they switch over to the HD recording. This has happened repeatedly over the year.



Actually, it is. And there's a clear pattern here.



Uh... obviously you don't watch Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles, which is a Fox show. Not CW. And Terminator has been shown in HD by KHON many times, except for the first portion of the show which is usually in SD. It's engineer-error, not system.
mindbender: KHON owns the CW channel. I've been told by the Chief engineer that they need to get all the bugs out of the HD equipment before tackling the CW in HD. My comment had nothing to do with any particular show on FOX as you reamed me for.

If you had tracked the KHON HD adoption since last April as I have, you would recall there were serious problems with sound syncronization. So Some shows started in HD & they had to switch back to SD. So if an engineer forgets to record in HD, that's another issue; but I'm not sure their technical glitches have been resolved. I haven't bugged their engineer in a while.

Anyway, It's not cool to spew attitude on another poster without checking all the facts first or at least understanding what the poster said.

Taken from the Oceanic website:

"In addition, from time to time we make certain changes in the services that we offer in order to better serve our customers. The following changes are planned:

On or about January 15, 2009 we will add KFVE to our digital lineup on Channel 1005. We also plan to add Major League Baseball Channel, Chiller, Sci Fi HD and CNBC HD by January 31, 2009.

The new services listed below cannot be accessed on CableCARD-equipped Unidirectional Digital Cable Products purchased at retail without additional, two-way capable equipment: Major League Baseball Channel, Chiller, Sci Fi HD and CNBC HD."

just noticed that K5 KFVE is now on channel 1005 ... little bit earlier than predicted. i don't think i watch any shows on that channel but the more the merrier.

The satellite uplink facility cannot see the KHNL hdtv broadcast antenna, due to terrain, and a land line will be required, which nobody has yet found the money for. This is my understanding, from reading previous postings in this thread from Charles O. There was a rumor last August that the land line would be laid, but it just didn't happen, for some reason. I eagerly await the day when DirecTV will carry KHNL in HD.

I got a reply from KHNL Reporter Leland Kim through a social networking site and he said KHNL & KFVE WILL BE in HD by the 20th Newscast on Oceanic and DirecTV. I know KHNL is HD on Oceanic but I don't think KHNL / KFVE will be in HD for tonights newscast on DirecTV. I would have thought KHNL would have gotten new equipment to broadcast in HD to DirecTV since they moved their HQ.

mindbender: KHON owns the CW channel. I've been told by the Chief engineer that they need to get all the bugs out of the HD equipment before tackling the CW in HD. My comment had nothing to do with any particular show on FOX as you reamed me for.

Not reamed, clarified. But my original post/complaint was regarding Terminator on KHON not being recorded in the beginning in HD. Terminator is only shown in HD (usually) on KHON, and it's a Fox show. I don't watch CW, nor did I ever refer to the CW. To my knowledge, it is still in SD but I don't watch it anyhow.

If you had tracked the KHON HD adoption since last April as I have, you would recall there were serious problems with sound syncronization. So Some shows started in HD & they had to switch back to SD. So if an engineer forgets to record in HD, that's another issue; but I'm not sure their technical glitches have been resolved. I haven't bugged their engineer in a while.

You're right, there have been instances where a show started in HD and later switched to SD. But my original concern was that Terminator (on KHON) was starting in SD and later switched to HD. However, last week's episode was indeed in HD from the beginning.

Anyway, It's not cool to spew attitude on another poster without checking all the facts first or at least understanding what the poster said.

I don't think I ever got it wrong from my original post. Again, my complaint was strictly about KHON not recording the beginnning of Terminator in HD on time. That's all it was about. I don't know where the CW talk came from, but oh well. Thanks for the clarification though. Cheers!

I would have thought KHNL would have gotten new equipment to broadcast in HD to DirecTV since they moved their HQ.
But since they can't broadcast HD to DirecTV, they need to send the HD signal by land lline. According to a previous post by Charles O, that will happen in conjunction with the digital transition on Jan. 15. However that may be, Dec. 20 is upon us, and there is no KHNL HD yet on DirecTV.

Are we ever going to get 5.1 audio on anything other than Fox sports? I would have thought that KHNL would have supported 5.1 sound with their fancy new sound board. But last night, SNL (tape delayed) was strero as was today's football game (live).

Is it more complicated than it seems?

But since they can't broadcast HD to DirecTV, they need to send the HD signal by land line. According to a previous post by Charles O, that will happen in conjunction with the digital transition on Jan. 15. However that may be, Dec. 20 is upon us, and there is no KHNL HD yet on DirecTV.

True and I completely agree about that. Let's hope they're HD on the 15th.
As far as Leland Kim's post on KHNL being HD right now he has not responded.
I did let him know that there was a technical problem and they were NOT HD on DirecTV when he posted a status of "eagerly waiting for our stations 1st HD broadcast tonight. I hope there's not many technical problems."

Also I did see that Charles O. is an advanced member too so I do believe that his comment on Jan. 15th at this point is very accurate.
I don't know how that would work and I'm pretty sure he would know more about land line connections then I obviously would. I would love to know how the land line thing would work on the 15th. I never knew the analog shutoff had something to do with KHNL HD. :)

I saw that the KHNL newscast was in HD Sunday evening. Looked pretty good.

Two questions. Is the Hawaii Bowl blacked out over here, and will it be in HD on ESPN?

I saw that the KHNL newscast was in HD Sunday evening. Looked pretty good.

Two questions. Is the Hawaii Bowl blacked out over here, and will it be in HD on ESPN?

You did see KHNL HD on Oceanic right not DirecTV?

The Hawaii Bowl will not be blacked out here. According to the DirecTV guide info the Hawaii Bowl will be in HD which it did not say during the Cincinnati game and the Cincinnati game wasn't in HD so I'm pretty sure the Hawaii Bowl will be in HD.

Oceanic. There was a segment where Stephanie Lum showed us the inner workings of their new digs. HD cameras, server room, etc. Pretty neat stuff.

Glad to hear it's not blacked out. I've seen some games advertised as HD but shown as SD in the past, but I think you're right on this account. Go Bows.

Oceanic. There was a segment where Stephanie Lum showed us the inner workings of their new digs. HD cameras, server room, etc. Pretty neat stuff.

Glad to hear it's not blacked out. I've seen some games advertised as HD but shown as SD in the past, but I think you're right on this account. Go Bows.

Then again though you might wanna check with Oceanic in reguards to the Hawaii Bowl being shown. I know Oceanic normally would blackout games but not games on ESPN.

When the FB team is away Oceanic charges for Pay Per View Telecasts of those games but DirecTV viewers can see the game free of charge if it's on a mainland regional network that they recieve in their channel package.
The only downside is that we're unable to purchase PPV Basketball and Volleyball since the option isn't ava on DirecTV PPV and is an Oceanic exclusive.

A report on Hawaii Public Radio this morning stated that the game would be televised here.

Hi All, I've been working on my father-in-law's house in Kaneohe,
trying to work out the OTA issues with digital stations and have had
some success, which I'll pass on here. Not sure if anyone will read
this, but if I found this article someone else will, right? So here
goes. Back in August, I started this project by putting up a regular
midsized antenna I purchased from Radio Shack. Finding the antenna
was a pain, as only 1 in 3 radio shacks had them. My wife's folks
have a hdtv ready tv, so I had to needed to bring an extra tuner from
the mainland, but if you have a new tv, the tuner is already built in.
I successfully pulled down two digital networks (three Ion stations
and the two channel 4 stations which in include reg programming and a
weather/traffic update). Not satisfied, I returned to Hawaii this
Christmas with a PCT signal booster. This doubled my reception,
allowing me to bring in two additional networks (channel 2 and 9).
Picture is awesome, but to be honest your local news guys are pretty
cheesy. lol. Anyway, good luck to anyone trying to set up free hdtv.
Let me know if you need more info.

But since they can't broadcast HD to DirecTV, they need to send the HD signal by land lline. According to a previous post by Charles O, that will happen in conjunction with the digital transition on Jan. 15. However that may be, Dec. 20 is upon us, and there is no KHNL HD yet on DirecTV.

I asked Jason from the Satellite Guy TV Company of Honolulu, HI about KHNL HD and got this update today.-

"Hi,



I am personally working with KHNL to get them up on HD. We should know more by next week.



Hopefully it will go up to HD.



Thanks,



Jason Gardner

President - The Satellite Guy, Inc.



In Hawaii:

2017 S. King St.

Honolulu, Hi 96826

808-532-9090 ext. 120

www.oahudish.com





In Alaska:

2400 Spenard Rd., Suite 100

Anchorage, AK 99503

907-243-7471 ext. 153

www.alaskadish.com "


Based on this my guess is that the Jan. 15th HD thing might even be a stretch when it comes to recieving a signal.

Anyone having reception problems with TWC channel 1008?

Yup. Glitches all over the place, and now it just stopped during a commercial.

Thanks. Another "weather" related issue according to Oceanic.

I'd like to get a Tivo HD, but I'm still not clear what channels on Oceanic are on SDV and which aren't. Any idea on how I can find out? Amazon has pretty good deals on the Tivo HD, wireless adapter, and DVR expander. I'm wondering if I should get the Tivo now and see what it do without the tuning adapter, or hold off and don't buy until the TA is available.

Edit:
Found my own answer (I think.) Oceanic has this page (http://www.timewarnercable.com/CustomerService/CLU/TWCCLUs.ashx?CLUID=1034) and I had it display the channels "Not available on CableCARDs". The list is sizable, but the major networks are apparently not on SDV. I may the move to Tivo HD after all.

Almost all HD on Oceanic is on SDV except for the networks. If I was you, I'd hold off on the Tivo until the tuning adapter gets released. I love my Series 3 Tivo but the lack of HD channels is maddening!

The price for the Tivo HD was too good to pass up, so it's already on its way here. What I'm annoyed with is that I scheduled a cable card install for next week and the Oceanic person said that I'll lose my surf pack discount because of my switch to cable card. I'm going to call again and see if this is true or if I can trade my dvr down to a stb and drop my HD pack, but still install the cable card. In theory, I still come out ahead even if I unplug and stuff the stb into a closet. If they insist that they can't do that then I'm switching my phone and Internet back to Hawn Telcom because there's no pricing advantage.

The price for the Tivo HD was too good to pass up, so it's already on its way here. What I'm annoyed with is that I scheduled a cable card install for next week and the Oceanic person said that I'll lose my surf pack discount because of my switch to cable card. I'm going to call again and see if this is true or if I can trade my dvr down to a stb and drop my HD pack, but still install the cable card. In theory, I still come out ahead even if I unplug and stuff the stb into a closet. If they insist that they can't do that then I'm switching my phone and Internet back to Hawn Telcom because there's no pricing advantage.

Hi bueller,
Do you mind sharing the price/seller of Tivo HD? Is it possible to pickup the CableCard from Oceanic and install it yourself? Also the previous poster recommended on waiting for the new TIVO HD tuner, when ETA / benefits / vs current models? If you drop the HD pack, and have Cablecard what channels avail? Thx.

I ordered my Tivo HD from Amazon. $223 with free two-day shipping. I'll look at getting an expansion storage drive later. I asked Oceanic about installing the cablecard myself, but that wasn't an option. I think that there's a $40 charge for installation. Take a look at this page from Oceanic (http://www.timewarnercable.com/CustomerService/CLU/TWCCLUs.ashx?CLUID=1034&Zip=&Image1.x=41&Image1.y=4&Image1=submit) and deselect everything except "Not available on CableCARDs". This will show you the list of channels not available on cable card. Network programming on channels, 1003-1010 will still show up. The only channel I'll really miss is ESPN-HD. Hopefully the tuning adapter will become available by the end of January at the latest.

I was looking into the Tivo package but wasnt sure how much the service was. How much is the monthly fees and is it less than oceanic?

Not assuming any discounts: Oceanic is $7.52 for your set top box and $9.95 for the digital video recorder for a pre-tax total of $16.47. Tivo will require a cable card from Oceanic for $3.10 and $12.95 for the Tivo service if you choose the most expensive option which is a month-to-month subscription. Cost-wise, it's about the same, but I prefer the added value of the Tivo service and the features of the unit.

Doesn't the Tivo require two CableCards, one for each internal tuner? Or is Oceanic now providing the so-called dual tuning M-Cards? Not even sure if those are even available yet. I ask because some other guy in here has/had a Tivo and needed 2 CableCards from Oceanic and was charged for both cards plus a "service duplication fee" which drives the costs up significantly. Maybe things have changed since I last researched it.

I just noticed that Oceanic says the "service duplication fee" is only $8.00, but that it doesn't include the HD Entertainment Pack, which means that if you need or want a second CC for your Tivo and you want to duplicate all your services, including the HD Pack, on that CC, you need to pay $3.10 for the card, $8.00 for the "service duplication fee" and $6.95 for the HD Pack since it isn't included in the dupe fee (sneaky buggers). Total for second card would be $18.05/month.

I thought I remembered that Oceanic was distributing the M cards now for Tivos. Delar may be right about the costs - I have two single CCs in my Tivo S3 and I don't even bother looking at the oceanic bill any more since I love my Tivo so much I'd pay nearly anything to keep it in operation.

My understanding is that multichannel m-cards are being distributed here. I requested that they put that into my appointment note that I wanted an m-card installed. Until the tuning adapters are distributed here, I don't believe that the HD pack will work with cable cards. Distribution of TAs has started on the mainland, so I'm hoping that the late January estimate for availability is still good. I got an email a couple of days ago telling me that my name is on their list for tuning adapters.

I've been noticing that on OTW, while watching KHNL HD (1008) doing their morning news and the local new breaks on the Today Show, that it's coming from their HD studio in 4:3 boxed. Is somebody not "flipping the switch?'

bueller, keep us up-to-date on your install. I'm curious to see if you're charged the 'service duplication fee' on the M card if that's indeed what you end up getting.

Anyone having issues tuning to KHON-HD on I believe 85.3 over the cable wire?

I recently picked up a Sony 40" XBR7 and when I tune to that station, I get audio only -- no picture. Other HD stations come in just fine on the XBR7. What is strange is that my old lcd (a 32" Sony S2000) picked up KHON-HD without any problems. Any assistance or comments would be much appreciated -- thanks!

Can do. Install is scheduled for Wednesday, but I might not know about the actual cost until the monthly statement arrives.

bueller, keep us up-to-date on your install. I'm curious to see if you're charged the 'service duplication fee' on the M card if that's indeed what you end up getting.

No suggestions, but the audio is fine for me on 85.3

Anyone having issues tuning to KHON-HD on I believe 85.3 over the cable wire?

I recently picked up a Sony 40" XBR7 and when I tune to that station, I get audio only -- no picture. Other HD stations come in just fine on the XBR7. What is strange is that my old lcd (a 32" Sony S2000) picked up KHON-HD without any problems. Any assistance or comments would be much appreciated -- thanks!

No suggestions, but the audio is fine for me on 85.3
Yeah, I'm only getting audio only for KHON-HD. The screen defaults to a blue Sony screen with a message that says "Channel has audio only". Strange.

Sorry, I read it the opposite way. Picture was normal too. Might want to restore your settings to the factory default and go from there.

Sorry, I read it the opposite way. Picture was normal too. Might want to restore your settings to the factory default and go from there.
Already tried that and no luck --same problem. Any new Sony XBR owners experiencing this problem?

I called Oceanic regarding the fees, but decided to cancel the appointment until the tuning adapters are available. If I install now, the Tivo and m-card will only work with tuning adapters and until then, will require dual cable cards then another appointment later when the tuning adapters are finally rolled out. Will let you know after the tuning adapter rollouts are announced.

I called Oceanic regarding the fees, but decided to cancel the appointment until the tuning adapters are available. If I install now, the Tivo and m-card will only work with tuning adapters and until then, will require dual cable cards then another appointment later when the tuning adapters are finally rolled out. Will let you know after the tuning adapter rollouts are announced.

That's odd. Technically, I don't think there should be a problem using an M card without the tuning adapter, so this appears to be an Oceanic/TWC thing. Maybe they're still trying to work out the fee structure for the new cards.

Already tried that and no luck --same problem. Any new Sony XBR owners experiencing this problem?

Hmm, interesting. I bought my mom a Sony Bravia a few months back and when I hooked it up to QAM I experienced the exact problem. Sound but no picture on KHON-HD, with the same message too. The XBR uses the same 'engine' as her W4100, so this definitely could be an issue with the Sony.

Problem was quickly solved with the installation of one of Oceanic's DVRs.

OTA--KHNL. I can't get KHNL OTA in Mililani, I think that's due to their transmitter only putting out 5.9kw on a directional antenna, pointed towards downtown. But looking at the FCC web site, I saw a pending application to increase power out to 25kw. Anybody know anything about this? I would really like to be able to get the super bowl, but if KHNL doesn't do something to improve their signal, I guess I'll be going to the Shack.

Also, are any OTA channels changing frequencies on the 15th?

scott s.
.

Hmm, interesting. I bought my mom a Sony Bravia a few months back and when I hooked it up to QAM I experienced the exact problem. Sound but no picture on KHON-HD, with the same message too. The XBR uses the same 'engine' as her W4100, so this definitely could be an issue with the Sony.

Problem was quickly solved with the installation of one of Oceanic's DVRs.
Thanks for this info -- this must be something with Sony then. I'll try to contact their technical support and see if a new firmware is forthcoming that might fix this -- thanks again.

OTA--KHNL. I can't get KHNL OTA in Mililani, I think that's due to their transmitter only putting out 5.9kw on a directional antenna, pointed towards downtown. But looking at the FCC web site, I saw a pending application to increase power out to 25kw. Anybody know anything about this? I would really like to be able to get the super bowl, but if KHNL doesn't do something to improve their signal, I guess I'll be going to the Shack.

Also, are any OTA channels changing frequencies on the 15th?

scott s.
.

Don't expect KHNL for the Super Bowl. It usually takes 9-12 months for a app. to be approved as well as contracting a tower crew to do the mods. KFVE/KHNL not only asked for a power increase but to install new transmitter arrays at the top of the tower.

As for changes on Jan 15th:
KHET is moving from RF 18 to RF 11.
All of the local religious channels should switch on; KALO RF 38, KWBN RF 43 and on the windward side KKAI RF 50 and KUPU RF 15.
KGMB is moving it transmitter from Kapiolani to Palehua Ridge, with a power increase as well. Don't know if they are doing it on Jan. 15th or at another time

SciFi, USA, and CNBC now available on Oceanic.

Gotta love it,
Robert

As for changes on Jan 15th:
KHET is moving from RF 18 to RF 11.
All of the local religious channels should switch on; KALO RF 38, KWBN RF 43 and on the windward side KKAI RF 50 and KUPU RF 15.
KGMB is moving it transmitter from Kapiolani to Palehua Ridge, with a power increase as well. Don't know if they are doing it on Jan. 15th or at another time

Thanks for the update.

scott s.
.

SciFi, USA, and CNBC now available on Oceanic.

Gotta love it,
Robert

+1

Oceanic put HD Sci-Fi on a full 10 days before the premiere of Battlestar Galactica! Fantastic!

I didn't think that this would happen, but wow! Excellent!

Now I get to see Grace Park in HD. Finally...

Thanks for this info -- this must be something with Sony then. I'll try to contact their technical support and see if a new firmware is forthcoming that might fix this -- thanks again.

It could also be with KHNL or Oceanic though. It's possible the channel is being sent in a slightly non-standard way that only the Sony units are susceptable to.

Don't expect KHNL for the Super Bowl.

Do you think there's any chance we'll be able to watch the Super Bowl in HD on DISH/DirecTV ?

some new channels in hd on dish today

Do you think there's any chance we'll be able to watch the Super Bowl in HD on DISH/DirecTV ?

I was wondering about that too since I have DirecTV. I was wondering is it possible for me to get an HD signal of KHNL and KFVE if I buy an indoor HD antenna?

I got an update again from Jason at the Satellite Guy and he said that KHNL should be HD with in a week according to what he has heard.

He doesn't know if KFVE (K5) will go HD at the same time. He did say at least KHNL HD should go up.

I was wondering about that too since I have DirecTV. I was wondering is it possible for me to get an HD signal of KHNL and KFVE if I buy an indoor HD antenna?


If your TV has a QAM tuner, just plug your cable into your TV.

I was wondering about that too since I have DirecTV. I was wondering is it possible for me to get an HD signal of KHNL and KFVE if I buy an indoor HD antenna?

It depends on where you live. I live in Kapahulu and can catch KHNL HD but the signal isn't great. Does your D* box have an input for an OTA antenna?

I was wondering is it possible for me to get an HD signal of KHNL and KFVE if I buy an indoor HD antenna?
Where I am on Oahu, Waimanalo, no way. Where you are, well, it just depends on where that is in relation to the transmitting towers. Two websites that may help you determine what over-the-air channels you can receive are http://www.antennaweb.com/ and TVFool (http://www.tvfool.com/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1).

It could also be with KHNL or Oceanic though. It's possible the channel is being sent in a slightly non-standard way that only the Sony units are susceptable to.
Yeah, I got a email from Sony tech support saying that it is probably something with the cable operator (Oceanic). Sigh, hopefully they can fix the problem soon as I miss seeing football in HD.

Do you think there's any chance we'll be able to watch the Super Bowl in HD on DISH/DirecTV ?

I believe that last week one of the DNS channels on Directv was opened for the play off game for those areas that do not have HD locals. I heard that when those DNS channels are open that anyone can view.

I did not know that it was open or would have tried it to see if we could get it in HD here.

All of that to say that maybe we will be that lucky again. I know the folks are working tirelessly to get our change over accomplished, but also know that everytime some one plays with changing things that Murphy's law applies....

All of that to say that maybe we will be that lucky again. I know the folks are working tirelessly to get our change over accomplished, but also know that everytime some one plays with changing things that Murphy's law applies....

True last night it sounded like somebody played with the audio. I don't know if anyone else had this problem on DirecTV but during Leno last night the audio sounded kinda funny. I don't remember if it was an echo or a faulty audio signal but it was noticeable to me.


For anyone watching K5 HD on oceanic is the My Network TV programing in HD or just K5 news?

True last night it sounded like somebody played with the audio. I don't know if anyone else had this problem on DirecTV but during Leno last night the audio sounded kinda funny. I don't remember if it was an echo or a faulty audio signal but it was noticeable to me.


For anyone watching K5 HD on oceanic is the My Network TV programing in HD or just K5 news?

does this mean you all have NBC on directtv?

does anyone know when we will get it on DISH?

does this mean you all have NBC on directtv?

does anyone know when we will get it on DISH?

Yes we have SD NBC on DirecTV and maybe HD NBC by next week.

I know NBC was on Dish in an HD signal in 07 or 08 but the picture quality wasn't very good so alot of subscribers complained so rather then leaving KHNL (NBC) HD on Dish KHNL shut the signal off.

I know there was a rumor going around that John Fink (GM of KHNL & KFVE) wasn't very happy with everyone complaining about the quality of their HD picture and the way Dish Network and their customers responded to their efforts to fix it. In the papers they listed it as "Technical Issues" so it wouldn't look like he's got something against Dish. IF this is true he probably won't give Dish a NBC signal anytime soon.

Even if that rumor isn't true then I really don't understand why NBC isn't ava. on Dish.

I thought NBC was ava. in SD on Dish? Do you guys have My Network TV (K5) on Dish?

[QUOTE=uhvblee;15505083]Yes we have SD NBC on DirecTV and maybe HD NBC by next week.


It appears as though the HD signal is being sent to the Directv uplink station. As of this morning the news is in a wide screen format that says NBC HD. The picture appears to be a little "soft".

I am not sure if it is true HD coming from Directv or if it is a down conversion of the HD feed.

[QUOTE=uhvblee;15505083]Yes we have SD NBC on DirecTV and maybe HD NBC by next week.


It appears as though the HD signal is being sent to the Directv uplink station. As of this morning the news is in a wide screen format that says NBC HD. The picture appears to be a little "soft".

I am not sure if it is true HD coming from Directv or if it is a down conversion of the HD feed.



I apologize. MY HDTV is connected to the Directv receiver via HDMI cable. I think it only allows 16:9 format to be passed to the Tv that way.

Therefore I thought i was seeing the real HD broadcast rather than a down converted widescreen picture.

Surely this cannot be HD as it is really "soft".

[QUOTE=MauiGuy;15507232]
Surely this cannot be HD as it is really "soft".
When I tuned to KHNL this morning after reading your note, the lights on the front of my D* HR20 receiver indicated it was sending a 480i signal to my TV. So, as you suggest, it is still SD.

Late Friday or early Saturday (Jan. 10th) whatever you prefer at around 12:30 am both KFVE and KHNL both went off the air on DirecTV at the same time for around 30 minutes.

When I got an update on the HD situation this past Wednesday Jason from Satellite Guy said that they were going to try to go HD this coming week.

My question is could KHNL and KFVE have tried going HD at 12:30am on Saturday (later in the week) or could they have just had technical problems? Since they're both out of the same building now.

How good do you guys think the chances still are of KHNL & KFVE going HD on Jan 15th like it was originally rumored to be?

I'm just like many asking wondering if the Super Bowl would be in HD. I'm thinking KHNL wouldn't be able to do a special HD deal like Oceanic and KGMB in 2007 due to KHNL's Technical problems and not DirecTV's.

KFVE has been in HD on Dish, the newcast has been real nice, this is what is bothering me khnl should be able to do it also
if khnl does not come online, will kfve broadcast the superbowl

KFVE has been in HD on Dish, the newcast has been real nice, this is what is bothering me khnl should be able to do it also
if khnl does not come online, will kfve broadcast the superbowl

Ooops sorry forgot to say I meant DirecTV. KFVE has been HD? For how long?

As far as KFVE broadcasting the Super Bowl. It probably won't happen. KHNL an NBC affiliate has exclusive rights to broadcast the SB in the US. Therefore KFVE a My Network TV affiliate can't televise the game. Even though the news and broadcasting operations are under one roof and they're owned by the same company (Raycom Media) the fact that KFVE is affiliated with MNTV pretty much shoots down any chances of the Super Bowl being shown in HD.

anyone been able to find kfve in hd over the qam? i wouldn't think otw would encrypt it, but i haven't been able to find it...

Ooops sorry forgot to say I meant DirecTV. KFVE has been HD? For how long?

As far as KFVE broadcasting the Super Bowl. It probably won't happen. KHNL an NBC affiliate has exclusive rights to broadcast the SB in the US. Therefore KFVE a My Network TV affiliate can't televise the game. Even though the news and broadcasting operations are under one roof and they're owned by the same company (Raycom Media) the fact that KFVE is affiliated with MNTV pretty much shoots down any chances of the Super Bowl being shown in HD.

kfve has been in hd for about a week, i think