The pass through option would allow for native resolution of broadcasts to go through the box without being converted. For instance, ABC HD is actually in 720p and InHD is actually in 1080i (I believe HBO HD is also 1080i). The pass through option would allow ABC HD to pass through the box and output as 720p and InHD to pass through as 1080i instead of everything being converted to whatever output format you had selected in the preference menu.

The operation in terms of resolution/picture size is pretty similar from the 3250HD to the 8000HD - what differences are you noticing?

Spleen

One minor difference I notice is that it takes a bit longer to switch between 1080i and 480p in the settings (the time when the screen blanks out). I still prefer to switch to 480p for SD programming; could be my TV, but 1080i seems to crush the detail out of dark images in SD.

Recorded Alias in HD tonight. Looks fantastic! :)

HDNet and HDNetMovies are on now.

Originally posted by spleen93

The operation in terms of resolution/picture size is pretty similar from the 3250HD to the 8000HD - what differences are you noticing?

Spleen

That you can stretch both SD and HD content with the 8000 and on the 3250 it would not let you stretch the HD stuff.

Overall I'm very pleased so far with this DVR.

It is 7:00pm and I count 9 HD chanels: 900 HBO HD, 901 Showtime HD, 901 KITV-DT (ABC HD), 918 Discovery HD Theater, 919 HDNet, 920 HDNetMovies, 921 INHD, 922 INHD2, 923 Fox Sports Net HD. I love this!

freek - ah, that is true. I had forgotten about that.

hdcable - I hadn't checked out HDNet. Whoohoo! I was just about to ask if anyone knew when it was going to be available.

Spleen

I feel your joy HDCABLE. Hopefully we will soon get CBS & Fox,I wish emmis would just get off their duffs and sign a contract already, than we would have 11 channels. THink of how you would feel than.
STYLED1

Well, I got a call from Oceanic to pick up my new 8000 DVR on Thursday.

Yeah, I wish KGMB would take care of business and give us our HD.

Woo Hoo!

Bryan

Are the new HD channels being previewed for free right now? When I try those channels I just get question marks coming up, not even the standard, "not authorized" blurb.

How does the picture quality of the SA8000HD compare to the SA3100HD and the SA3250HD?

How does the recorded material compare to live material on the SA8000HD?

Anybody getting pixelation between scene transitions on DiscoveryHD? Only notice this on this HD channel only.

rascalmarc

Since the 8000HD records the compressed digital stream off cable, the recorded material looks exactly the same as live. Overall, I would say that the 8000HD looks somewhat darker than the 3250HD but is still very acceptable.

Linda - I believe that HDNet and HDNetMovies are part of the HD tier that includes InHD so if you can see InHD, you should be able to see the new channels. Might need to reset your box if you're not picking them up.

Spleen

Got a call from the cable company to pick up my HD DVR box on Thursday. Can't wait.


Tim

Question. Isnt the 8000HD box just a HD DVR or does it replace the SA 3250 box?
Thanks

Originally posted by mrp3
Question. Isnt the 8000HD box just a HD DVR or does it replace the SA 3250 box?
Thanks

It replaces the current HD box you have now and provides the DVR features previously available in OTWC's digital DVR service for standard definition cable service, including PIP (picture in picture). You'll incur an additional $9.95/mo. for the DVR service.

Thanks Spleen. There was a message on my answering machine this morning saying that OTWC now had new HD channels in its HD tier package, and it was available for free preview right now. Turned the TV on and there it is. I guess I have a couple of weeks to decide whether it's worth paying for.

Anybody getting pixelation between scene transitions on DiscoveryHD? Only notice this on this HD channel only.

I started noticing this too. Also saw it on HDNet. And InHD 1 & 2 sometimes have these wierd little blocks show up in the picture.

Hi

The weird little blocks are compression artifacts.. When the data stream is lost you will loose picture information and it will look like that.

I'm pretty sure digital cable uses MPEG compression algorythyms and only the moving parts of the picture are upated so thats the part that pixilates first.

Oh well, its better than snow!

Bryan

Oh well, its better than snow!

Heh heh, yep. Definitely.

Linda - out of curiosity, if you haven't subscribed to the HD tier already, what are you currently watching on your HDTV? HBO or Showtime? Or are you just watching KITV HD?

Spleen

Spleen,

I've just been watching HDHBO, HDSHO and HDKITV. I got the HBO and SHO free when I upgraded to digital. I've been watching the free HD tier preview for the past couple of days and of course I'm loving the PQ, but the content? Not so much....The HDMovies are very old, and the rest of the stuff is mostly documentaries that seem to be produced mostly to oogle the beauty of the picture (which is fine). I guess I expected to see stuff that I'd want to watch regardless of whether it was SD or HD.

I'm probably going to keep the HBO & SHO package once the free subscription is over, but I don't think that the HD tier would be worth it for me. If I were a sports lover, I could see wanting it though. You could see the ice shavings in a hockey game they were showing, it was beautiful.

Did anyone happen to watch HD Alias tonight on 906? Was there audio dropout about 25 minutes into the show? Just wondering, because we recorded it, and when we were playing it back, there was a lot of inconsistency in the audio. Sometimes it would be loud, then it would get quiet, and then it would cut out completely for nearly 10 minutes. Not sure if my DVR is defective, or if it was the original feed. Can anyone confirm if it was a bad transmission?

Thought maybe we could at least read the closed captions for the silent parts, but I guess the DVR doesn't record that data... :(

Also curious, does anyone else find the Discovery HD image a little soft? It's still obviously HD, but it doesn't seem to have the punch that INHD has. Maybe it was just the particular programs I was watching.

I think Discovery HD usually looks better than INHD. Your mileage may vary with the original video quality of the particular program.


Eric

Hounsfield,

I had the same problem with KITV-DT(OTA). I tivo'd Alias while I was watching the NCAA games from earlier today. I had two periods of no audio, the first about 20 minutes in that lasted about 10 minutes and during the last 15 minutes also no audio. :( I need to call KITV on Monday and talk to them about the really bad dropouts on their OTA signal, it's real bad right now.

BTW: Thumbs Down to KGMB. They aired the HD feed for the Xavier/Miss St. game even though it wasn't the HD game. Then after halftime of the Pacific/Kansas game, which was in HD, flipped from the HD broadcast to SD. :(

Thanks Charles, guess it was the transmission. Maybe they got a bad satellite feed from ABC. Was about ready to package up the DVR to take back to Sears tomorrow!

Has anyone had trouble with their HDDVR? I have had to reboot mine twice in the last two days.
How about drop-out's on OC16? It was soo bad i missed most of the post game interview.
Rick

Not including HD showtime and HD HBO, can you choose between HDNet and INHD with or without DVR or is it only lumped all together?

Sean

For $6.95 a month you get INHD, INHD2, HDSPORTS, DISCOVERYHD, HDNET and HDNETMOVIES; plus whatever they add to that tier in the future...

Eric

Did anyone else happen to record the test patterns on HDNET? I have to say that my set looks a lot better after i used the test patterns to readjust everything.
Rick

newbie question,

I've seen the Zenith indoor HDTV antenna for $20 at buy.com. Would I only need a HD receiver to get OTA HD channels with this? What channels is it limited too? I'm in Niu Valley, so I'm not that close to the antennas and can't understand antennaweb.org at all.

I'm pretty sure that in Niu Valley you won't get anything over the air. Need that "line-of-sight" to the transmitters and you're surrounded by mountains. I lived in Hahaione Valley back in the Sixties and we absolutely needed cable to get any signals.

Eric

That's what I figured. Even my cable is not very clean either.

Linda - ah, that explains it. :)

I believe that the PQ difference that we're seeing between Discovery HD and InHD is that a lot of the programs on Discovery HD are film documentaries that have been converted to HD. Whereas, a lot of the InHD stuff is actually shot on HD video cameras. At least, the times when I've noticed a PQ difference, I'm pretty sure that that's been the difference. When both are shot on HD video, they look the same to me.

Spleen

Woo hoo! Got my 8000HD today and fiddled around with it. I have two tivos, so 8000HD took a little getting used too. Does the RCA connection not work if the DV out is being used?

I am a prior Tivo user with a 8000HD now and still find myself missing the search features my Tivo offered. Like typing in the name of a favorite actor and getting a list of all upcoming shows starring him.

Oh well, beggars cant be choosers....


Bryan

Bryan, I miss the guide interface mostly. When I got my digital cable installed last week, he split the line so I have one dedicated to 8000HD to tv by component. The other line is split again into my two tivos and into RCA plugs on tv. This way I got three recorders hooked up. I'm worried about tivo withdrawal :)

boneless - did you get the DVI out to work on the 8000HD?? I had heard that it was disabled currently.

I admit that I have a hard time dealing with the 8000HD interface - I also split my line and am running a SD Tivo at the same time and find the Tivo interface much preferable. But as Bryan says, beggars can't be choosers.

Spleen

Spleen93 "boneless - did you get the DVI out to work on the 8000HD?? I had heard that it was disabled currently."

OTWC has not put the software on the system that would make the DVI work.

To those of you that have talked about the PQ of the three new HD channels that are on in a free view tell the end of the month, I can tell you why you see a difference between them and INHD and INHD2. OTWC like other MSO's has a bandwidth problem (we don't have room to add more channels) yet we have to add more new channels (per TWC). To do this we are starting to use a "statmux" ( statistical multiplexer). The "statmux" allows use to put three HD channels on one 6MHz "channel" instead of 2. The down side as some of you can see is a minor loss of PQ on these channels. But I ask you which would you rather have two new HD channels that look great or three new HD channels that almost look great?
How much loss in PQ are you seeing please let me know.

Now I have a question for everyone here in Hawaii that reads this thread. Do you want OTWC to add a HD PPV channel? What would you pay to see a new movie in HD PPV?

One more thing channel 923 HD sports is on for everyone who has a HD cable box just like 906 HD KITV.

I hope this post answers some of the question that are out there.

Thanks for reading HDCABLE, I don't think most people use Pay Per View so I would rather have another regular HD channel..
Can you tell us when you are getting the other network channels like ABC, FOX, UPN? checkhd.com says May 1 but that might only be for OTA.. thanks!

HDCABLE, can you clarify what HD channels we can receive until the end of month, what will have to be paid for next month, and any upcoming new info on future local channels in HD. I think most people would find this helpful during this promo period.

HDCABLE, can you also see if there're ways to allow a signal through HD and RCA at the same time from the 8000HD?

I would like to see the networks also. Pay preview is worthless. HDESPN would be the best choice but any thing will do. CBS NBC etc.

Tim

Apparently, the KGMB situation is embroiled in negotiations between Emmis Broadcasting (owner of BOTH KGMB and KHON) and TWC Corporate on the mainland. Emmis wants more $$ for carrying their signals on a national basis. It's out of Oceanic's hands at present.

Eric

hdcable - thanks for the update - I was pretty sure that the DVI wasn't working. I agree with others - HD PPV doesn't excite me but another standard HD channel would. And bad news about the multiplexer - :( Hopefully more bandwidth can be opened up at some point so we can get the HD channels in their full quality.

Spleen

I picked up my HD DVR at the Hilo office yesterday and it works just fine. Still, it has that krappy Scientific Atlanta software, but the smoothness and speed of operation is a definite step up from my old SA DVR. They are expecting a software upgrade Real Soon Now...hopefully that will improve things, too.

Eric

Thanks for the info, hdcable. Does the multiplexer issue also imply that while 923 HDSPORTS is broadcasting, that it's stealing bandwidth from INHD/INHD2, or is 923 on a separate 6MHz "channel"?

As for how much PQ loss I'm experiencing, I would say that it's a very subtle loss -- just enough that I feel like something is missing, but I'm not sure what. The picture seems a little softer to me, a little less contrasty. For me, my reference standard for HD broadcasts are the INHD self-promo commercials -- the short station-identification clips that run between programs. Those things knock my socks off!

But don't get me wrong... more channels are definitely worth the slight trade off in PQ, IMO. Too bad they can't get rid of some of the SD riffraff to make more bandwidth available for HD! :p I can think of about 200 SD channels I could live without!

On a separate note, has anyone noticed that when you set the DVR to record a show, for example American Idol, that it starts recording a couple minutes too late, and ends a couple minutes too early? I'm new to DVRs, so maybe this is the norm, but it's really irritating to miss part of a show because OTW's clock doesn't match its programming schedule.

I realize that you can adjust the time of the recording in the settings, but I think the software is a little buggy, because sometimes it lets me do this, and other times, the changes I make fail to "stick." :confused:

Eric, is this one of the krappy SA software issues that you're referring to? Hopefully they'll address this in their upgrade!

Oh yah, forgot: hdcable, would the new HD PPV channel show new movies, as in before they're released on DVD? If that were the case, then I might be interested. Otherwise, no thanks.

Do you want OTWC to add a HD PPV channel? What would you pay to see a new movie in HD PPV?

Not very interested unless they are new and shown in their original aspect ratio. I would think around the same price as regular PPV.

Apparently, the KGMB situation is embroiled in negotiations between Emmis Broadcasting (owner of BOTH KGMB and KHON) and TWC Corporate on the mainland. Emmis wants more $$ for carrying their signals on a national basis.

Geez, that really stinks. :mad:

They are expecting a software upgrade Real Soon Now...hopefully that will improve things, too.

I hope that includes one for the 3250HD to activate DVI and allow pass-through on the component outs.

Anyone happen to know why KHNL/KFVE are dragging their feet on getting HDTV/DTV up? Is something holding them up or is it just because they can?

Anyway, thanks again for the great updates everyone. :cool:

Here's the basic breakdown on why KFVE/KHNL are not transmitting digitally.
In 1999, KHNL as well as the other Honolulu stations(KHON/KGMB/KITV/KHET/KWHE) were in the process of being evicted from transmitting on the summit of Haleakala. The stations banded together and formed a LLC to find a new location on Maui to transmit from. As a result of this, KHNL as well as KHET suggest creating a LLC for Honolulu to build a new "Central Transmitter" on Oahu for all DT stations. KFVE's site was one of the first locations submitted but was shot down by KHNL/KFVE parent Raycom.
The search goes on and on for both Maui and Oahu, in 2003 the Maui LLC minus KWHE agrees to a new site at 8000 ft on Haleakala to transmit from(KWHE will build it's own new transmitter on Maui next to KAOI/KNUQ FM transmitter near Kula) to be completed in Q1 '05.
Now it's 2004, Of the Oahu LLC group; KGMB, KHON, KITV and KWHE all have their DT signals up and have pretty much decided they no longer need to be part of the group, leaving KHNL/KFVE/KHET. Now Raycom says it will offer up KFVE's transmitter for use thereby wasting 5 years of time chasing a "location" that the others decided to do by themselves.

Or you can read Raycom's side(pdf format): :)
http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/getattachment_exh.cgi?exhibit_id=200303

BTW: KPXO-DT is now up. DT 41 at a mighty 1.6kw. This means that KFVE, KHNL and KHET are the only Honolulu stations not transmitting a DT signal. ;)

KHNL actually has had their Hilo DT transmitter working for nearly 2 years now. It isn't real HD, though...they just upconvert the SD signal. As for poor KHET, they were evicted from their HQ, so they are building an entirely new facility...then they'll have to beg us all for money so that they can acquire the DT equipment. That won't happen for quite a while yet.

Eric

Thanks for the info guys!

Let me ask you engineers a question. I have a split cable between two tivos and a digital cable box/HDTV receiver. My tivos get get poor reception on a few channels like KBFD. Appears consistently pixelated, but watchable. I realize that splitting the line degrades the signal, but will using better cables make a difference? I'm using all RCA on the tivos to TV.

If the poor reception is ONLY on a few channels, then upgrading the cables will most likely not make a difference. When you say upgrading your cable, I'm assuming you're talking about coax cable line. The splitter may be the problem. If the signal strength on that channel is marginal to start off with, the MPEG encoding process for the Tivos may be having problems distinguishing between PQ and snow. Getting a cable signal amp may help (install before the splitter). Make sure that you can return it if it doesn't. :)

Spleen

I'd also like to know if/when the dvi port on the sa8000hd is ever getting enabled

spleen, can you recommend a good signal amp? I bought one that users on tivocommunity recommended long ago, but when OTWC came to install digital cable last week, he said it was a junk amp.

boneless,

Do you have a Series 2 Tivo? If so, there could be two problems affecting it. First S2 Tivo's have bad OTA tuners especially with low band VHF, KBFD no matter analog or digital is remapped from VHF Ch.4. Second since it remapped from VHF Ch.4 many areas in town will recieve bleedthrough from KITV OTA Ch.4 and that may also be a problem. Also, all amps will increase noise as well the signal and that may make things worse than better. You may want to connect the coax from one of your tivo's to your TV's ANT input, then check channels 4, 9 and 13. Is there a vertical line visable on those channels? If so you are getting OTA bleedthrough.

Charles brings up a good point - you may first want to check the signal coming out of the coax splitter and seeing if you're still seeing noise on KBFD. It is true that amps will increase pre-existing noise as well ... which is why I usually recommending getting the amp as high as possible in the chain. When OTWC came out to hook up your digital cable, did they check your cable signal strength? If the TV test that Charles recommends does show the same picture problems, you may want to have OTWC come out again and leave it in their hands.

I've used a cheap coax amp from RS in the past - not using it now since my signal is pretty good.

Spleen

Just checked KBFD on my TV - running indirect feed from 8000HD to receiver to TV. Does show some horizontal lines on screen - similar to what's seen on KHON next to it but it seems worse on KBFD. KFVE and KITV look much better.

Spleen

I just got put on the list for an SA8000HD, have an 8000 plain already.. I plan on buying the Zenith C27V36 next week for HDTV viewing..
Just to clarify, the free HDTV channels are
906 KITV
900 HD HBO (comes with sd version)
901 HD SHOWTIME (comes with sd version)
923 HD SPORTS
and if you subscribe to the HD tier for $6.95 a month you get:
918 HD Discovery
919 HDNET
920 HDNET MOVIES
921 INHD 1
922 INHD 2

hmm that's 9 channels.. none of the HD Tier really appeal to me.. I'm looking forward to HD KHON and KHNL..
edit: fixed channels, etc.

For those wondering about the DVI port, here is some info from the SA8000HD thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=352604&perpage=20&pagenumber=32) thread posted by DianaTWCSC
"The Software Download to activate the DVI, S-Video and Composite outputs has not yet been released from the lab by TWC Corporate Engineers. The first goal was March, but I don't think we will make it."

907 is not up yet. Who knows when it will be. So actually, it's KITV only unless you subscribe to HBO and/or Showtime and the HD tier. So if you primarily watch KHON which is going to be on HD OTWC who-knows-when, why are you getting the 8000HD?

Spleen

well, because I just bought an HDTV and I have HBO
edit: your reply sounded kind of accusatory

HDSPORTS is apparently not in the optional tier. Isn't it $6.95 a month? KHON-DT and KHNL-DT won't be operational for awhile yet. I know that KHON will be ready in time for Fox' grand HD opening next fall, but then again, TWC and Emmis Broadcasting must complete their negotiations first...

Eric

uncola - sorry, didn't mean it that way. Just puzzled, that's all. In any case, congrats on the HDTV and have fun watching HBO in HD! (movies look fantastic, that's for sure)

Eric - next fall?? (groan) I have yet to come across anything worthwhile on HDSports (could be also because that I don't watch much sports)

Spleen

Well, the Fox Network isn't broadcasting anything in real HD until next fall. They have that silly "Fox Widescreen" which is just 480p. Next fall they go 720p. KHON-DT will be ready in time for that...I think they are supposed to commence sometime around June, actually. As for KHNL, they just haven't got their act together.

Eric

Just tried coax from wall into tv and it's clearer. When I put this line through the splitter into tivos, the pq gets more fuzzy. Going from the splitter into tv clears up the pq a little. I checked the other line through my 8000hd and can see the horizontal lines but clearer picture. I think Charles is right about the tivo tuners. Now I just need a good signal amp.

boneless - so you have 2 series 2 Tivos? (sounds like my "2" key is stuck).
My series 1 Tivo seems to have reasonable PQ on KBFD - minimally worse than direct from 8000HD.

Eric - is the Fox Network "HD" supposed to be 16:9 format? I would assume so, given the Fox Widescreen name, but most of the stuff that I've seen has been 4:3.

Spleen

Spleen,

The Fox Widescreen stuff is 16:9 480p, but KHON-DT isn't working yet. Last I heard was around June timeframe. When they go full 720p in the Fall, KHON-DT will be ready.

Eric

and if you subscribe to the HD tier for $6.95 a month you get:
918 HD Discovery
919 HDNET
920 HDNET MOVIES
921 INHD 1
922 INHD 2

It looks as though the HD Discovery is now a part of the regular digital package. I'm still getting it as of today, even thought the free previews ended on 3/31, and all the other HD tier channels have disappeared.

Eric - it'll be nice to get more networks on HD. :)

Linda - interesting. I wonder if they're just considering it part of the Discovery Channel. That complicates the cost-benefit ratio breakdown.

Spleen

I just got my new HD cable box and I was getting Showtime HD even thought I don't subscribe. Then I changed my rf cable with a new gold connector shielded one and it went away :(

The boxes eventually figure it out. When I picked up my HD DVR I was getting EVERYTHING, including Filipino and Japanese programming. Then the next day, it got updated and cut off all of the services that I didn't subscribe to.


Eric

Anyone here know if Directv's NFL Sunday Pass is available in Hawaii (Mililani)? Thanks for any info.

AFAIK, Sunday Pass is available on DirecTV in Hawaii. But don't hold me to it since I don't have D*.

At least, according to this (http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/learn/HawaiiProgramming.dsp) link, it says it's available.

Spleen

Yes, NFL-ST is available in Hawaii. It's actually been available for the last 2 seasons in Hawaii. C-Band(aka BUD) no longer has NFL-ST so the sports bars requested and had Directv provide the service even when Directv only had it's "Hawaii's Choice" package. This will also include the CBS and FOX HD telecast this coming season.
BTW, Directv now offers it's "Total Choice" packages as well as all of it's Sports Packages in Hawaii (eff. 4/1). ...might think of jumping to Directv.

Charles - I've been tossing it around as well - then I could get the HDTivo! :) The biggest problem is the installation costs - I've been quoted around $1000+ for the whole thing ....

Spleen

Spleen, sorry for the late reply. I have 2 series 1 tivos and pq is watchable, but is a little irritating. The image edges are either pixelated or fuzzy like looking at a frequency on an oscilliscope(sp?). Cold be boxy/pixelated or fuzzy. I haven't had a lot of time recently to try. To recap:

cable(wall)-------->SA8000HD---->tv/AV4/1080i
/
cable(outside)
\ DVD
|
\ ------>tivo---->receiver----->tv/AV1
/
cable(wall)
\
------>tivo---->tv/AV2

Ok, that diagram didn't turn out exactly how I wanted :mad:


Essentially, the outside sacle is split one into the 8000hd into tv. The second is split again into each tivo and into tv.

Oops, cable not sacle

boneless - that's a lot of splitting. Where is the splitter that feeds the two cable feeds to the wall and from the outside?

The next question is, what happens when you take out the splitter that splits the 2 Tivos and you feed the original coax cable directly to one of the Tivos and then to the TV? Does the picture on KBFD improve? If it does, then the splitter is part of the problem and a signal amp might help but you could probably accomplish the same thing by trying to simplify your wiring. If it doesn't, then it's probably crosstalk on the channel like Charles mentioned and there probably isn't a lot that's going to fix that.

Good luck with it!

Spleen

When I did my HD setup a few years back, I noticed that my PQ was worse on my plasma after switching to the HD box, so I got a Motorola cable amp and it's perfect.

Any news about Firewire activation yet? I thought they were supposed to get it working by April 1st or the FCC throws them all in jail :P

Yes, they have been working night and day to get the technical work done (re: firewire). It will be done on a "request basis", not globally. If you need firewire activation, PM me and I'll find out how they want to handle this. Please don't PM me if you don't really have a current need for the firewire.

Eric

Yes, they have been working night and day to get the technical work done (re: firewire).

Do you know if that'll include a firmware update that'll activate DVI and/or finally allow Pass Through over the component outs?

Thanks

Really? Firewire?? Cool ... wasn't expecting them to actually activate the Firewire port. :)

Spleen

currently have no use for firewire, but I might when I finish reading this thread
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=309877&perpage=20&pagenumber=1
it's a thread on recording HDTV from a firewire port on a pc

this post has the best explanation and the guy who wrote it used an SA box
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=3635450#post3635450
I personally am not going to try that stuff til I finally get my SA8000HD which I'm on the waiting list for still...

Mark, what is the Motorola cable amp and where did you get it?

My pq on KBFD clears up if I don't use the tivos and go straight to tv. It's watchable either way, just less noticeable going from cable straight to tv. It's only throught the tivos that pq is reduced a little.

The amplifier is a Motorola Signal Booster for TV, Digital Cable, and Internet. I got it at Circuit City a while back.

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000066E6Y.01.MZZZZZZZ.jpg

I've seen that amp. at CompUSA on Ala Moana, cost around $60.


BTW: Another thumbs down to KGMB. Not that I'm a big golf fan, but during yesterdays Masters coverage there was no sound at all. The only reason I was watching was due to the fact that the Lakers/Kings game was a joke and to check the PQ. I guess no one is watching KGMB-DT...except myself. :(

I watched the whole Masters coverage on Sunday and didn't notice any dropped sounds on channel 87. I was hoping to see the Masters in HD, but I guess that was asking too much.
Still waiting for my HD DVR. For those that already have it, is it worth it? Are all the "bugs" worked out?

I actually returned my 8000HD today. I just couldn't get used to it after having 2 tivos. I switched back to analog cable too. More of an internet fan than tv. I'll wait until all locals are in HD probably. If anyone's interested, I returned it to the Hawaii Kai Oceanic office, so it may be available. I got mine since someone didn't pick up theirs a few weeks back. I think I'll pick up that Motorola signal amp since my KBFD is still crappy through the tivos. Is there any need for an analog cable box now that payperview is gone?

I have sporadic problems with audio drop out in recordings on the 8000HD - not consistent but I would say 2 out of 3 recordings have no or sporadic sound for the first 30 seconds ... weird. It then improves and I have no further probblems. If I got motivated enough, I might bug Oceanic customer service about it but not that bothersome at this point ... User interface is definitely poorer than Tivo. There seems to be no easy way to change the amount of time that the recording is saved for. There's no option to keep recordings until more space is required - it forces you to keep recordings either permanently or on auto-delete after a certain amount of time. Just the tip of the iceberg ... but still, no other easy option on recording HD for now on TOWC so I live with it.

Spleen

I know that Oceanic is expecting a very late software upgrade for the DVR's to hopefully fix some of the many problems. They are very aware of them.

Eric

If I never had tivo, the 8000hd would probably seems like a godsend. But I've been spoiled, especially since my tivos are upgraded to 160GB and 240GB. I was hoping to replace one with the 8000hd, but oh well. I hope it makes someone happy.

Also the prob with only using either component or RCA but never both kinda bugged me too:(

Weird problem with the 8000HD on Sunday. I unplugged it from power, replugged and waited for the clock to come up before doing anything. Once the time was on the display, hit the on button and on the screen, it went through some sort of initialzing, then came up with a No Service message. I could get audio and all the graphics, including the program guide, setup, etc., just not the video signal for the program.

Called into Oceanic and literally spent 40 minutes on hold, while doing other work and having dinner.

When the tech came on, the instructions were to press the FF button . . voila . . . image came up. While I appreciate the easy fix, what the heck happened here? :rolleyes:

I know that Oceanic is expecting a very late software upgrade for the DVR's to hopefully fix some of the many problems. They are very aware of them.

I'm guessing there's no word on one for the 3250HD that'll allow the box to Pass-Through all/any resolutions saved in the set up over the component outs? Having to change the Picture Format when watching HD/SD programming is a bit of a pain. Anyone have any news?

Thanks again. :)

Mark, I had the same situation. What it seems to do is default to channel 1 and that is for some type of cable service like idemand or something like that. It works when you turn it on and start changing channels immediately. Turning it on and off sometimes works, but changing to say channel 3 quickly will prdouce the video.

Mark - weird. That's just plain weird. Maybe the audio/video sync got screwed up somehow and the video remained paused and the audio kept going?? (unlikely, I know)

Spleen

I have a few questions, I've read most of the thread.

Are Direct-TV and Tivo broadcast in HD? I read on Direct TV's website they have over 125 channels, but they've not been talked about much.

I was planning to get the HD $6.95 tier next week, although I doubt I'll get DVR. With or without DVR do I have to buy my own HD box (receiver) or does Oceanic loan me one?

How big are HD receiver boxes? DVD player size or VCR size or neither?

And just one more :D Is there a seperate hand-held control to control HD channel surfing and adjusting HD settings?

Thanks.

Sean

Sean,

Directv offers 6 HD channels. HBO and Showtime HD, which are included in the respective Premium Channel Packs. Directv's HD Package; ESPN-HD, Discovery HD, HDNet and HDNet Movies. They also have a Events channel for HD sports, mostly NBA-TV and NFL Network.
Directv will soon offer a HD Tivo for it's service. But expect it to be in short supply as this box is highly antisipated.

As for Oceanic, you simply need to swap out you current digital box for an HD box, cost the same(it's a rental).

Most HD receivers are about the same size as a VCR.

As for a RC...dun no.

Hope this helps.

Charles

The remote control is very similar to Oceanic's current remotes. There are no special "HD" buttons on it - most adjustments are made in the same Settings menu that currently exists for any Oceanic digital box subscriber.

Spleen

Thanks for the info. I've never used the digital box. My cable goes from wall to vcr to tv.

Is the Direct TV on this site http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/packages/base.dsp a totally different service? Or is it the same service only they have only 6 in HD?

Seanster

It's the same service - just that HD offerings are somewhat slim on all systems (for instance, Oceanic offers hundreds of channels overall but only 9 HD channels all together (and that's only if you subscribe to HBO, Showtime, and the HD tier as add ons to your basic digital service).

Don't forget that satellite coverage in Hawaii is slightly different than the mainland. All the channels that are listed in DirecTV's offerings may not be available in Hawaii. Local channels are not available in Hawaii through D* (AVS shorthand for DirecTV).

As far as we know (depends on whether there's been any updates since D* last updated its web site), this is the current programming packages and channel lineup (http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/learn/HawaiiProgramming.dsp) for D* in Hawaii.

Spleen

Just a comment . . . yesterday I was loving the Blues Traveller and Little Feat concerts in HD . . . no back to programming.:D

Yankees vs Red Sox . . . inHD . . . wow! So far, it was worth getting up a little earlier than usual.

I just called Oceanic about the $6.95 HD tier and was told I'd HAVE to get either HD HBO or HD Showtime to get HDTV broadcast at all, were all of you told this as well?

And btw Direct TV web site has the HD package listed as $10.99 per month, and with Oceanic it's $6.95 a month (before HD Showtime or HBO are added). So which service do you order from? :)

Sean

Oceanic and DirecTV are total separate companies. If you want the most HDTV CH's then you would go with Oceanic as of right now. DirecTv is a satellite provider. You would get a Satellite dish put out side your house. The advantage of DirectTv or Dish-network (the other satellite provider) is that there signal is totally digital while Oceanic only has about 1/3 of there channels Digital. DirecTV also has great sports packages. Well there is my 2 cents. Hope you understand a little better.

Tim

Sean - no, you do not need to have HBO or Showtime to get the HD tier on OTWC. That's just wrong.

Spleen

Called Oceanic again, was told by two reps in order to get the 6-channel HD Entertainment pack it would cost $6.95 for the package, $6.70 for HD-box rental, and $4.00 for some music channel that's required if I don't get the 30-channel digital package. So $17.65 total.

$6.95 only sounded too good to be true :)

Seanster

Yeah, you would need to get digital cable service before you can get the HD tier since it's part and parcel. But you certainly don't need to subscribe to HBO or Showtime to get the HD tier. Box rental is extra.

Spleen

What's with the $4 music channel?

My understanding is that Music Choice/FM service isn't encrypted by Oceanic and since you need the IPG to operate the HD Cable Box, that's actually what the $4 fee is for, it's just easier to explain that you must have Music Choice to receive the HD package.

I've noticed that none of the local radio stations come in for me, just the Music Choice ones. Is that how it's suppose to be?

According to Oceanic's Website (http://www.oceanic.com/page_server/Oceanic/Television/Digital+Services/52352DE3FD64B815E4B9975D33.html) you should receive the FM stations. I'll find out for myself on Thursday. :)

The radio stations work for me, as do the Music Choice stations.

Spleen

Well, if I'm suppose to be getting the FM stations, I guess I'm going to have to waste another 45 minutes of my time trying to get through to Oceanics Customer Support. Sigh....I hate calling them.

Speakerphone, Linda, speakerphone. :)

Spleen

So apparently a push went out to the cable boxes this AM - anybody know what that was all about?

Spleen

Hopefully it wasn't another Jackson Auto infommercial channel! :p

I dunno about the push, but there are a bunch of new MOD (Movie on Demand) channels in the upper 900's.

Eric

spleen, I noticed the cable reset too.. I checked and the firmware is still the same 2003 version it always was.. no passthrough feature :/

firmware is still the same 2003 version it always was.. no passthrough feature

Yeah, that is really starting to bug me now that there is more HD programming available. Switching between HD and SD is a bit of a nuisance. I wonder why other 3250HD users, on non-Time Warner systems as well as Time Warner customers, have gotten updates and we havent...:(

(sigh). Oh well, was hoping ....

Spleen

I've emailed customer service about an update for the 3250HD, their first response was that SA had no software updates available. I then pointed them to another thread here about the 3250HD that discusses software versions, etc. They replied telling me: "Your request has been forwarded on to
management so that we may consider the software upgrade that you have
requested."

Maybe if a few more people start asking about it it'll speed up the process...

Anyway, if I hear anything else I'll post it.

:cool:

There was an HD DVR update in Hilo the other day; it is scheduled to hit Oahu on Thursday. The update (no scheduled time yet) after this one will make it easier to copy recorded programs to a VCR.

Once again, if you want an IEEE-1394 enabled 3250HD box, and you have a similarly equipped HD VCR/set, PM me and I will give you the necessary contact info at Oceanic to schedule an installation.

They do not provide these boxes for connection to PCs.

By July 2005, Time Warner is scheduled to have DVI, HDMI and IEEE-1394 ports activated on their settop boxes.

The Cablecards are on the way to Oceanic right now...

Eric

Thanks for the info Eric.

I really just want the Pass-Through feature enabled. Don't have any firewire devices. I wouldn't mind DVI, though. I think the software versions that allow Pass-Through also activate DVI don't they?

By the way, Eric, does your 8000HD have Pass-Through, DVI and all that good stuff enabled now?

Thanks

My 8000HD has none of those things enabled. Not until 2005. It is a Time Warner corporate edict, and apparently, any Time Warner cable units who have activated them are in violation of this directive.

Eric

Wow, nothing until 2005. Now that's really bad news. When you mentioned 'by July 2005,' I figured that meant they'd update things as they become available. Nothing like what you just mentioned. :(

Well, thanks for the information.

I agree about the passthrough. It would be so convenient.

Eric - don't have a CableCard equipped TV ... but when does Oceanic think that they'll be in a position to start handing the CableCards out?

Spleen

Spleen,

The Cablecards are being shipped to Oceanic now. They want to be proactive and be ready for the new sets which should be readily available by early this Summer. So "Real Soon Now" is a good guess!

Eric

Eric - thanks for the info!

Spleen

Hello,

I read here on the forum some people have the 3250. Is this box significantly better than the 3100? Should I try and get oceanic to change mine? I'm still on the wait list for the HD DVR so don't know if it's worth the trouble to change it now, since hopefully the DVR's will be in soon. I keep calling them and they keep telling me soon they will be in and they will be callling in order of the wait list.

Aloha Hiloboy...

I'm also on the Hilo system. Hilo now has the 3250HD in stock...it's better than the 3100HD, for instance, the ability to stretch and zoom the picture at the touch of a button.

I have the HD DVR also. It's better than the SD DVR, but still buggy and certainly doesn't have the utility or elegance of a Tivo or ReplayTV.

Eric

Hi Eric,

Thanks for the reply. I guess I'll see if I can exchange the box. I also have the regular DVR on another tv, though I must be one of the few that like it better than the TIVO. I use to have a tivo but I think the Explorer 8000 has a better picture, and with the 2 tuners and PIP features, and having it all in one integrated unit made it an easy switch for me.

Bill

Bill,

I do like the PIP and two tuners (I did have the two tuners with my old Sony DirectTiVo), but the software is DREADFUL. It crashes more than occasionally, too. My old SD DVR from Oceanic used to turn the power on all by itself every morning at 8:20 for some inexplicable reason, too. Never figure that one out.

The HD DVR software is definitely more stable than the SD was. But I have found some anomalies. If I record THE SOPRANOS in HD Sunday evening, when I play it back and it gets to the end credits, the audio starts stuttering...then dropouts (both audio and video) occur. EVERY TIME. EVERY WEEK. Different episodes. I think it's the change in program material. The credits are very compressible (black background, just white characters on the screen). Just before that, it was normal action, in color...their system gets confused, or eager, or something.

I like the abilities that TiVo and Reply give you. Find all programs with this actor or director or genre or whatever.

Much more convenient and useful than a straight program grid.

The SA8000HD doesn't let you start watching a recording program until its finished!! That really bites.


Eric

I would join in on the fun on this one but don't want this to turn into an 8000HD bashing thread. :) What I would give, though, for a CableCard equipped 2-tuner HD Tivo ... (sigh) For now, I'll live with the 8000HD.

Spleen

I have the 3250 box and have experienced some problems. The biggest annoyance is the box "freezes" and the only way to reset it is to unplug it for a few seconds and then wait for it to "reboot" I called Oceanic and the service rep could not reset it from her remote location. They were going to send a field tech out a week later. I told them I'd rather unplug than wait a week for someone to come and take a look at it. The other problem I have is on the interactive channels, like the ebill, where I get an error message all the time. I talked to a friend of mine who has the same problems with his 3250 box. I can try exchanging it, but since I have a 8000HD DVR on order I will just keep unplugging it until I pick up my 8000HD box.

I think (hope?) that with the coming of Cablecard, a lot of these issues will go away, since we will have CHOICE available. And I'm very happy to see that Oceanic is being very proactive about embracing this new technology. I get intermittent errors with some of the interactive channels, too; such as E-Bill, Channel 1, etc. I don't think it's necessarily an issue specific to the 3250HD.

Eric

The software upgrade last week screwed up my 8000HD and watching the final "Frasier" . . . had to watch it on a smaller SD set instead of the big screen. Went through an interesting reboot . . . Unplug, replug, press both volume buttons and info, then power and the + button. Worked!

Talked to Oceanic CSR about TNTHD, said they have NO plans to carry. He did say "They where thinking about ESPNHD",heard that a million times,anyway he said he would forward my request. He also mentioned that the more people request it the better the chances of carriage. Does anyone (Eric or HDCABLE) know when/if we might get it(TNT) or if anything else is in the works.
RICK

since egcarter announcing no dvi, firewire, passthrough til June 2005.. I just wondered if any other cable provider for hawaii had those enabled already... directv maybe?

Styled1, I have heard nothing about TNTHD or anything specific besides ESPNHD and the other networks, when the current issues are worked out and/or available.

Eric

Just picked up my 8000HD box last night. I am not sure if its my imagination but I think the 3250 box had better resolution on the HD channels. Anyway, I am having problems hooking up my VCR. Hope this is not a repeat question ( I tried searching this forum and the 8000HD forum with no luck)
Since the archive to VCR option is not working (yet?) is it still possible to record to a connected VCR?
Thank you

Mrp3,

I don't think you can record to a VCR yet. The only video that can be recorded is the PIP video, but I still haven't figured out how to get the audio, too. I have heard rumor (from Oceanic, no less) that there is a way, but haven't received any details as yet.

Eric

:D oceanic called and said to pick up my HD DVR on wednesday.. awesome.., I hope these new ones have the newer firmware with Passthrough.. from what egcarter said they won't have dvi or firewire.. could definitely use passthrough.. my zenith c27v36 can do both 720 and 1080.. would save on having to manually switch resolutions on the cable box

uncola,

I hope you wont be too disappointed. I picked up my 8000HD DVR box on Friday and there is no passthrough option. Without bashing Oceanic, all I have to say is it would make life too easy for their HD customers.

Can the HD DVR be connected to a non-hd tv? Since it's the same price to rent, wouldn't it be better to try and get the hd version since it can record a whole lot more stuff on the bigger hard drive, even if you don't have a hdtv? I have the regular dvr; I still on the wait list for the HD version and was just wondering since I may want 2 of the hd ones instead of my regular dvr.

Bill

I think that the only outputs currently working on the HD DVR are the component ones, no? I have only tried the S-Video to record on a VCR and that doesn't work (except for PIP).

Eric

thanks eric, well I guess I'll have to keep my regular 8000 DVR on my bedroom tv. It sometimes does get a little irritating though, the way it makes that whiny hard drive noise when it's not even on. I guess that's one of the bugs you or someone mentioned earlier? Alot of times i just unplug it when it keeps me up.

Bill

My old DVR used to turn on by itself every morning at 8:20! The software is quite dreadful. The HD box is improved, but still quite buggy.

Eric

Eric,

when you say "turn on" , do you mean the power light would come on too, so if your tv is plugged into the back your tv was turning on also? Or do you mean the hard drive just starts up and the box just starts making noises?

Bill

I live on Maui and the s-video output works on my 8000HD. You just have to manual switch between between only HD output or only standard definition output. Turn the 8000HD off then on the front of the box hold the guide and info button down at the same time. After a second or two the box will click and the format you are in will appear on the screen. If you are in High Definition mode it will say HD - 1. If you are in Standard Definition mode it will say SD - 1. Wait until the format that you want to switch to appears and then hit exit. The s-video output only works in SD-1.

Justin

Hiloboy,

I mean that the power light would go on at 8:20AM daily. The hard drive makes noise at various times regardless of the light.

Eric

Our 8000HD seems relatively quiet but then again, it's out in an AV rack in the family room - not sure how loud it might be if it was in a bedroom ....

Spleen

I find that the 8000HD is much quieter than the 8000 was. (And it doesn't turn on by itself...)

Eric

thanks eric. I guess that is pretty bad then, for it to just turn on like that. I never had that kind of problems with mine, only that irritating whirring noise. At first I thought that noise was the hard drive deframenting itself like my TIVO use to every day or so, but now I'm pretty sure it's just a software defect or something. I can see why you would prefer a TIVO! I got a postcard from oceanic today saying they were trying to contact me for the HD DVR but couldn't, so I called and set up a date to pick mine up this Tuesday. Finally!! Woohoo!

Oceanic TW in Hilo called this morning and said that my HD box was in. I went to pick it up and took it home. This is not one of their standard issue boxes, but a tweaked SA 3250HD with the firewire ports activated.

Hoorah! I recorded THE LION IN WINTER on SHOHD tonite as a test. Perfect! Great results on my JVC 30000 HD recorder. I'm tickled pink.

Eric

Just got my 8000HD after sitting on the list for 3 months. Much better stablility than the 3100HD, glad I skipped the 3250.
HD appears to be a ? 320G Maxtor. Took awhile to figure out I didn't need to use S-video anymore for non-HD content. The # key cycles display modes to fill the screen so I can upconvert all channels now to 1080i and
don't have to switch modes when changing channels. Optical audio out works on all channels! Was stuck with analog/RCA's for most non-premium stuff. No complaints so far, still learning.

I have the 3250HD and the 8000HD, as well as the 3100HD...the 3250HD is the best, but they are not comparable. After all, the 8000HD is a DVR and the 3250HD is just an HD cable box.

The 3250HD has far more user preferences (useful!), such as output resolutions, including pass-through.

Eric

The 3250HD has far more user preferences (useful!), such as output resolutions, including pass-through.

Wait a minute...
Eric, your new 3250HD has pass-through activated? Are the component outs active? Or just the firewire port?

Originally posted by redsandvb
Wait a minute...
Eric, your new 3250HD has pass-through activated?

Yes, along with firewire.

It's the "special request" that i mentioned a few weeks ago on the forum.


Eric

It's the "special request" that i mentioned a few weeks ago on the forum.

Yes, I remember that. I didn't realize it would include a software update that activated pass-through. I'll PM you about it later...have to leave the computer now.

Thanks

Have my 8000HD box for about a week and am not satisfied with it. Every afternoon between 12 and 4, the digital channels including the HD channels start to drop out. Very annoying. I called Oceanic and the csr said no one else has reported the same problem so they are blaming my box or my connection to the house. Make any sense to any of you? They are sending a field tech out next week. If he/she cannot troubleshoot the problem I want my old 3250 box back with all the bells and whistles!.

mrp3, my 8000HD does not do anything like that. I do like the 3250HD, but it is comparing "apples and oranges."

Eric

I agree .... have not noticed anything like that. Having said that, nobody is typically home between 12 to 4 so maybe we wouldn't notice it even if it was happening.

Spleen

Sort of newbie question, but when you guys say:

" could definitely use passthrough.. my zenith c27v36 can do both 720 and 1080.. would save on having to manually switch resolutions on the cable box",

how do you manually switch resolutions on the box? Is he talking about pressing the # key to stretch or zoom?

Thanks,

Bill

Hiloboy, my tweaked 3250HD has a feature where you can manually set the output resolution of the box in the settings (Set Picture Format). It can convert everything to 1080i or to 720p or you can pass-through everything "as is"...a 480i or 480p channel will be output at that res, a 720p channel (like DKITV) will remain that way and a 1080i channel (like HDNET) will be output at 1080i.

Eric

Eric,

Is "set picture format" same as "picture size"? I can't find a "set picture format" anywhere. Or is it only in "tweaked" boxes? Under "picture size" it only allows me to do stuff like zoom and stretch.

Thanks,

Bill

Hiloboy,

The Set Picture Format is only on the 3250HD; not sure if it's only on the firewire-enable box or not. What box do you have?

Eric

Eric,

I just picked up the 8000HD today. I haven't seen anything that says 1080i or 720p in the set up or setting portions. But I think I understand now. If you have a tv that can handle 720p, if you have a tweaked or passthrough box that means you can watch it at 720p, instead of having the box convert everything to 1080i? Without passthrough everthing is outputted at 1080i regardless of the material?

Bill

Hiloboy,

Yes, that's correct! The 3100HD box and the 8000HD box upconvert everything to 1080i if it isn't that resolution to begin with.


Eric

Cool! Thanks for the help. Turns out none of it applies to me as my tv can only do 1080i anyway, but it's good to know.

Bill

hiloboy actually you can change the output resolution on the 8000HD in the same way you would on a 3250hd.. you have to enable all the resolutions in the setup wizard.. to do that you turn off the cable box, then press INFO and GUIDE on the front of the cable box and it runs you through the setup thing where you can choose to enable other resolutions. then you can change them by pressing SETTINGS on the remote and scrolling down to picture resolution I think it's called.

Man, egcarter I'm jealous of your 3250 with passthrough enabled..

another question, I have had an 8000HD for a week or so and last night oceanic called and said that I am required to purchase the HD tier to use with my 8000hd and that the first month is free.. have they told you guys with the 8000hd the same thing?

uncola,

I haven't heard anything about being required to purchase the HD tier...but then again, I already subscribe to it.

Eric

I think I remember vaguely something about that as well ... but don't remember any details.

Spleen

uncola,

thanks for the info-- i'll check it out and see what happens.

Did anybody get Sunday's Lakers/Pistons game in HD? I was pretty dissapointed it was only in SD, especially after the announcers were saying it was suppose to be HD.

Bill

Hey people, Oceanic just called me and said that in order to keep the 8000HD I need to subscribe to the HD Tier. They said that they made a mistake sending out the boxes without telling the subscribers first. They will give me the HD Tier free for 1 month. If I decide I don't want to pay for the HD Tier, they will take the 8000HD back and give me an 8000.

Greedy buggers!

Feel sorry for the customer rep though, she said she had hundreds more people to call and explain this to.

The Set Picture Format is only on the 3250HD; not sure if it's only on the firewire-enable box or not.

Eric, I'd bet it's only on your firewire box. It's in the list that comes up after you press Settings twice, isn't it? And I'm guessing that's where you selected Pass-Through. BTW, you mind if I ask what's the software version on your new 3250HD?

Thanks

redsandvb,

Yes, the SET: Picture Format is in the list that comes up after hitting "Settings" twice.

My firmware on the 3250HD is 1.56.4.1

Eric

Thanks Eric. :cool:

Howzit.

I posted This (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=3971201#post3971201) a few days ago before I read this thread. Through reading virtually this whole thread and with help from other posts I solved my problem. In case any of you have this box and are viewing SD station in 1080i, I would suggest you enable 480i wide (assuming you have a widescreen tv) and use that mode instead. The picture is not nearly as dark and there seems to be more shades of gray. To change from 1080i to 480i wide is fairly simple through the quick settings mode. Of course this would not be an issue if they had enable the passthrough.

Depending on how good the internal scaler in your TV is, keeping the output at 480i 4:3 and letting the TV do the widescreen scaling may still be a better choice. For instance, my monitor has a smart stretch function which minimizes the stretch in the middle and exaggerates it towards the edges which I find preferable to a uniform stretch all the way across.

But I agree about the passthrough. We're all (or at least most) are desperately awaiting that feature.

Spleen

Depending on how good the internal scaler in your TV is, keeping the output at 480i 4:3 and letting the TV do the widescreen scaling may still be a better choice.

I went back into the setup and enable the 480 std but my tv (sony kp57ws510) did not respond well. Using my tv's stretch mode the picture seems zoomed. The zoom mode is super zoomed. The normal mode is abnormally tall (very wide bars left and right). I know that these modes worked with my old 3100hd box via the s-cable but for some reason it is not working for me via this setup.

I just checked the instruction manual for your TV. You're right, the wide zoom mode actually does zoom in a little ... which is slightly disturbing that Sony did that. Unfortunately, your best options are choosing between the 480 wide mode on the cable box or leaving the cable box in 480 std and selecting the full mode on your TV. Choose whichever looks better to you.

Spleen

Oceanic is showing the movie NIGHT MOVES on one of the INHD channels, next showing 7/17. Check it out, great modern film noir movie with Gene Hackman and Melanie Griffith.

Boy, this thread has been dead for a while. Thanks for the heads up, Koa.

Spleen

Originally posted by egcarter
Yes, along with firewire.

It's the "special request" that i mentioned a few weeks ago on the forum.


Eric

I just noticed this thread. I had no idea it existed.

Eric, when you say "Special request" did you reqest both the pass through function AND the firewire port activation. Or did they automatically activate the pass through in order to activate the firewire port.

I have no use for the firewire port at this time. But I would love to have the pass through function. Can anyone from the tech dept or sales fulfill this request?

Just noticed this morning that CH 906 is showing ABC HDTV!
It is not a simulcast of KITV.

Yes, ABC is the only network affiliate that broadcasts HDTV on Oceanic. We're still waiting for NBC's local affiliate (Emmis) to get off their b*tts and implement ... as well as CBS (KGMB) to put their HDTV signal on Oceanic (they're already broadcasting). Fox will probably happen at the same time as NBC since they're both owned by Emmis. Did I get that right, guys?

Spleen

Close but no cigar. :D

KHON and KGMB are owned by Emmis.
KHNL and KFVE are owned by Raycom.
KITV is owned by Hearst-Argyle.

KGMB(Soon also KHON) isn't on Oceanic due to Emmis asking for additional compensation from all cable companies to air the HD channels in each market Emmis has stations, it's not just a local issue.

Here's the latest breakdown of local (H)DTV:

KHON(Fox)DT 22-Was transmitting 480i 8/03-6/04, now off the air undergoing new transmitting equipment on KGMB's Tower(Hopefully will include upgrade for Fox 720p HD this fall).

KITV(ABC)DT 40- 720p. Has CP for new 1000kw transmitter from Harris Systems(KITV Hilo repeater will also receive new high power transmitter).

KGMB(CBS)DT 8 - 1080i. Currently able to air live feed from CBS, need a media server for primetime programming(like CSI).

KWHE DT 31- 480i.

KIKU DT 19-480i. Mono sound. :(

KBFD DT 33- 480i.

KPXO DT 41-480i. Station is licensed to Kaneohe and is operating on a STA, thus transmits with 1.6kw.

KFVE and KHNL are aparently going to retrofit KFVE's transmitter on Palehua Ridge for DT. Target date is Jan '05, we'll see. This of course means no HD Olympics in Hawaii.

KHET needs to raise $15-25 million to fund building a new broadcast facility next to the Hard Rock Cafe. Don't look for PBS-HD until '06 at the earliest.

Thanks Charles, the updates are really appreciated. :)

KGMB(Soon also KHON) isn't on Oceanic due to Emmis asking for additional compensation from all cable companies to air the HD channels in each market Emmis has stations, it's not just a local issue.

I hope these knuckleheads sort things out soon! :mad:

KHON(Fox)DT 22-Was transmitting 480i 8/03-6/04, now off the air undergoing new transmitting equipment on KGMB's Tower(Hopefully will include upgrade for Fox 720p HD this fall).

I hope so too.

KGMB(CBS)DT 8 - 1080i. Currently able to air live feed from CBS, need a media server for primetime programming(like CSI).

Hope they get one and are ready when the BigWigs finally get their act together.

KFVE and KHNL are aparently going to retrofit KFVE's transmitter on Palehua Ridge for DT. Target date is Jan '05, we'll see.

Would that mean they'd be ready with HD from NBC and the WB? Or just SD? Hope this happens sooner rather than later.

This of course means no HD Olympics in Hawaii.

I wonder if they even thought about trying to be ready in time for that? :rolleyes:

Any news on ESPN-HD?? I'm not making any moves twords HD until at least ESPN is available. What's the hold up here?? I'd go for Direct TV w/NFL Ticket in a heatbeat but for some reason it's not available in Hawaii...at least Maui anyway. If I'm wrong and anyone has any info, please fill me in!!!

As always, Charles, I can count on you for keeping me honest. :D Thanks for the corrections and the updates.

Spleen

http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/learn/HawaiiProgramming.dsp

From Directv:

Hawaii residents with HD equipment can enjoy high-definition programming from DIRECTV. Learn more about high-definition programming.

ESPN-HD included!

SPORTS PROGRAMMING

DIRECTV has the largest selection of sports subscription packages available, including NFL SUNDAY TICKET™. Learn more about our sports subscription packages

As always, Charles, I can count on you for keeping me honest. Thanks for the corrections and the updates.

Spleen

______

No Problem. ;)

Originally posted by Charles O
http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/learn/HawaiiProgramming.dsp

ESPN-HD included! Thanks Charles. I'll look into it. Are the NFL games in HD too?? Why can't Oceanic offer this? BTW...your sig is great.

You mean that I can watch 6 NFL games in HDTV......all at the same time?? BRILLIANT!!!

Thanks to everyone here contributing to the thread. I'm about to take the dive into HD with the purchase of a RPTV despite the dearth of HD programming on Oceanic. I'd go with satellite, but I live in an apartment that doesn't have a line of sight to the sats. I have a couple of questions that maybe someone can answer.

The HD set I'm thinking of getting has Cablecard. Oceanic says Pay Per View isn't available with Cablecard, but I found another regional Time Warner site that said Pay Per View *is* available, but by phone only. Oceanic doesn't say this and the CSR I spoke with was clueless. Any help in this regard would be nice as no PPV would make me reconsider the set.

The second question regards HD OTA reception of KITV. I live in the Hobron Lane area of Waikiki, a mere 10 minute walk from the transmitter on the Ala Moana Hotel. Since I'm in a 4 story walk-up with a couple of buildings between me and the transmitter, am I going to have trouble receiving the digital signal (I understand it's a weak one atm). How has reception of KITV-DT been lately?

Mahalo

The NFL SUNDAY TICKET is not available to any one except direct TV subscribers. Direct TV pays the NFL big money to keep this exclusive to them. 400 Million or so a year. This is what makes them the biggest Sat provider because people subscribe just for it.

Delar,

Depends would be the answer. If you are completely blocked by buildings to KITV's Transmitter you may have problems, mostly due to multipath.

Example, I live in the Ward area and have a building that blocks my view of Century Square where KWHE-DT and KBFD-DT transmit. I know that I'm getting a signal, my STB shows the PSID data for KWHE and a "green" light for KBFD but can watch neither, but receive KIKU which transmits from above Makakilo no prob.

Since the HDTV your getting has CableCard I'm guessing it also has a Digital OTA tuner built-in, hook up a cheap pair of rabbit ears and see what you get.
Also, since I guess that you are going to a CableCard from Oceanic KITV-HD is already on Oceanic in the clear.

Hope this helps.

Charles

If I remember correctly (which is rare, to be honest), the current version of CableCard only allows for one way transmission which is why they say that Pay-Per-View won't work with CableCard. The work around, of course, is by calling the company to order PPV and that the cable company on their end sends the signal to unlock the PPV digital stream. Theoretically, should work but who knows if Oceanic will support it or not?

Even if PPV is important to you, I'd say go for a TV that has CableCard. It'll give you some more options down the line (potentially going without a cable box) - the worst possible situation is that you'll have to use a cable box to order your PPV which is really no worse than having a TV that doesn't have CableCard to begin with.

Spleen

Originally posted by Charles O
http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/learn/HawaiiProgramming.dsp Thanks Charles. I also found more info here http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/packages/hawaii_offer.dsp

FREE DIRECTV SYSTEM FOR UP TO 3 ROOMS

Get FREE DIRECTV equipment for up to 3 rooms, including satellite dishes (plural...read below), up to 3 standard receivers and NO-COST standard professional installation when you subscribe to one year of any TOTAL CHOICE programming package. Sounds good. But...

The fine print...

*For DIRECTV TOTAL CHOICE programming, premium packages, seasonal sports subscriptions, International and HD programming, you will need three (3) 90-centimeter DIRECTV Dishes. WHAT?? 3 Dishes??!!

To access DIRECTV HD programming, a DIRECTV HD Receiver and HD television equipment, is required. Offer for new residential customers who purchase any DIRECTV System from a participating retailer between 7/18/04 and 10/30/04, commit to and pay for 12 consecutive months of any TOTAL CHOICE programming package ($36.99/mo. or above), PLUS subscribe to 2004 NFL SUNDAY TICKET ($249.00/retail offer price) AND the TOTAL CHOICE PLUS package ($39.99/mo.), HBO, SHOWTIME UNLIMITED, Cinemax and SPORTS Pack within 30 days of equipment purchase.

OK...so i get 3 rooms for free... BUT ... I have to subscribe to all this programing for a year... AND ...they're going to put THREE 90-CENTIMETER DISHES on my roof, making it look like a traffic control tower. AND I have to keep my cable service because local channels are NOT INCLUDED. Where do I sign??!!

TJR,

Sorry for the delay in responding, but the "Special Request" is for an SA3250HD box that has the firmware upgrade that activates the firewire facilities. I am not aware of just anyone in sales or customer service being able to handle this request. AFAIK, they will only do this for the firewire requirement, not for pass-through. If you don't have a firewire-equipped HD VCR, they will not install it.

Eric

of course, someone could let you borrow a loaner to let them hook up during installation ;)

I received an email response from Oceanic technical support regarding ording PPV with CableCard only. It appears Oceanic will not support PPV in any way, shape or form unless you have a STB. Bummer.

Charles

I will try the rabbit ear thing. I think I have one in the bottom of my closet somewhere.

Spleen

You are correct about CableCard being one way. 2 way CableCards are 1 to 2 years away. Current sets with CableCard will not be upgradable to the next generation.

PPV actually isn't that important to me. Certainly not a deal killer. I just like to order the occassional boxing event, but since most of these are repeated on HBO and Showtime a week later (and most likely in HD !!), I'll just save my money and wait.

Delar - thanks for checking with Oceanic - bummer about their policy though. Doesn't that defeat the point of having Cablecards in the first place if they're not going to support PPV access with it?! :(

Not that it's a big thing for me either - I don't think I've ordered a PPV event in years. And my current set doesn't have Cablecard either so it's moot point for me. :) Good luck with your rabbit ears!

Spleen

Oceanic is mandated by the feds to support CabelCard, but there is nothing in the mandate to require PPV support. Because Oceanic (and all other cable co's) want to steer you toward renting their STB, this policy makes sense for the moment. I think this policy will change as more and more people go with CableCard.

I'd like to ask one more question if I could. I'd like to also buy a Mits D-VHS recorder for use with my CableCard set. Does anyone here record HD from Oceanic to D-VHS. Does Oceanic flag their stream? If so, are we allowed to record once only? Are there any channels we are not allowed to record? I know egcarter said he records via his STB to his JVC, which is good to hear. The only difference here would be that I won't have a STB. (Cable into tv via CableCard, then from tv to D-VHS via Firewire). I'm relatively new to all this so please correct any misstatements I may have made.

Ok, ok. That's more than one question. :)

delar,

I don't record very often, but sometimes the stream IS flagged and it will record in 480i resolution only. It's quite weird and I haven't had time to follow up with Oceanic on it, but it seems quite haphazard, varying from one program to another on the same channel.

Eric

I'm picking up my new HD RPTV this weekend. Oceanic will be out on Monday to install and activate CableCard. It's suppose to be the first CableCard installation in Hawaii. I'll post results and any observations.

Oceanic recently relocated all of the HDTV channels. Is this any indication of adding more stations soon or am I just reading into this a little more than I should?

Man, why are you complaining about TV when you live in Hawaii? :confused:

Wolfie

We have to complain about SOMETHING ... :)

Spleen

Well, I brought my new RPTV home last Friday, a Mitsubishi WD-52525, and had Oceanic come over the following Monday to install CableCARD. This was going to be the first install for Hawaii. Four guys were over to install and observe......well, mostly to observe, as the installation was rather simple. Initially there was a problem with the card authorizing all the channels, but after a couple of 'hits' the card worked just fine. So I'm subscribed to HBO, Showtime and the HD tier and receive all of them without Oceanic's STB. I never order PPV and the lack of channel guide isn't a problem because I use titantv (my tv is also used as a second PC monitor). Of course I can't use a DVR with CableCARD, but I've never used one before anyway. I'll wait until the HD Tivo's with CableCARD are available.

As for reception, everything looks great. I'm a first time HD set owner and I'm just ecstatic. I've read elsewhere that bypassing the STB and having the cable direct into the TV should provide the best picture possible, but I can't make a comparison as I don't (and hopefully never will) rent an Oceanic STB. I do have a problem with pixellation on the high channels, but am not sure yet if this is a signal problem or a problem with the tv's tuner. More study is required.

As far as new channels in the lineup, I read that the parties responsible for keeping ESPN-HD from being carried on TWC systems are back at the negotiating table. Lets hope they get this thing settled before most of the football season is over.

delar,

Great to hear that everything went fine with the CableCard install. Hope you enjoy the new toy. :)

Charles

Congrats on the install going well. :)

Spleen

Big News on the OTA-DTV front:

Emmis has filed papers with the FCC to swap DTV frequencies for KGMB and KHON. Currently KGMB-DT operates on Ch. 8 and KHON-DT was transmitting on Ch. 22, Emmis is proposing KGMB-DT move to Ch. 22 and KHON-DT move to ch. 8. But the real curiosity is that KHON-DT would continue to transmit from KGMB's tower on Kapiolani Blvd and KGMB-DT would transmit from KHON's analog transmitter at Century Center. Emmis also filed a CP for the Century Center site which calls for a 1000kw Digital Transmitter to be co-located with the existing tower. Emmis also has returned the STA license for KHON-DT(22) while it was transmitting from KGMB's tower.

<Specualtion Mode> This may be related to FOX's new HD system. The way it works is that FOX will provide stations a "broadcast ready" signal, all the stations will have to do is send the signal to the transmitter. My thinking is that all the HD(CBS and FOX) content will come through KGMB's facility, ie. recieve KHON's regular signal but able to switch to FOX's HD feed when needed. No additional equipment at KHON would be necessary, thus saving Emmis some money from upgrading 2 stations to pass HD.<Speculation Mode>

With KHON's STA license returned, that should open up contruction and testing of the transmitter for DT 22 regardless of it ends up as KHON-DT or KGMB-DT.

And I was just about to ask where KHON was in their HD upgrade with football season so close. I guess this news doesn't mean anything to those like me who cannot receive OTA digital broadcasts because of multipath problems. I wonder if they are talking to Oceanic about carrying FOX-HD broadcasts. Wishful thinking perhaps. Will probably have to wait for the 5th generation 8VSB tuners to become available in a few months.

Charles - great news! More potential HD is always a good thing!

Spleen

Thanks Charles, interesting news.

So is there any update to the situation with Emmis and Time Warner that'll finally let us Oceanic customers get CBS, and hopefully FOX when it happens, in HD?

Or the status of slow poke KHNL/KFVE's upgrade? I wish they had made it a point to be ready for the Olympics...

Thanks :cool:

I've only been watching HD for 2 weeks now and would like to post a few observations. You all have probably addressed these tidbits in previous posts so please just allow me to voice my comments here.

So far I am happy with CableCARD. It works as advertised and I have no complaints.

Here in Waikiki I cannot get an unpixelated signal from KITV using a Radio Shack 15-1880 antenna with preamp because of multipath. There is a sweet spot in my apartment that gives me a good picture for 20 seconds before it pixelates some. Unfortunately it's quite unwatchable.

I am not entirely happy with the picture quality of the MNF games on Oceanics' KITV feed. It seems there are a lot of compression artifacts. I say this because when I compare the Oceanic signal with the OTA signal (between pixelations) the OTA PQ is quite superior. Do others feel this way? I'm going to take this RS antenna back and try something else.....maybe a Silver Seven.

On Sunday morning I sat down to enjoy my first baseball game in HD, an Oakland A's home game on INHD. Unfortunately all I got was a black screen. It seems the game was blacked out here in Hawaii. Is this true? And if so, WHY ?!?

But perhaps I complain too much. I do enjoy watching movies on the premium HD channels and the HD tier very much. Some transfers are quite stunning (i.e. Seabiscuit on HBO). It would be nice if Cinemax HD and Starz HD were available too. I'd subscribe to those tiers in a second if they were added.

Anyway, thanks for allowing me to rant.

David

David,

I too have seen many of the west coast baseball games are blacked out on INHD. Gee, we're only 2500 miles away from the stadium...

Eric

Originally posted by delar
]Here in Waikiki I cannot get an unpixelated signal from KITV using a Radio Shack 15-1880 antenna with preamp because of multipath. There is a sweet spot in my apartment that gives me a good picture for 20 seconds before it pixelates some. Unfortunately it's quite unwatchable.

It's actually a known problem that KITV has, I also have the pixelation problem on both my Dish 811 and Samsung T151 receivers. The 811 does a much better job at handling KITV's signal then the 151 does that makes KITV watchable. Occasionally KITV does a reboot of the encoder and it clears up for a couple of weeks, but then returns. I might give a KITV a call to give them a heads up on the hiccups again.

BTW: I use a Silver Sensor, highly recommend it.

On Sunday morning I sat down to enjoy my first baseball game in HD, an Oakland A's home game on INHD. Unfortunately all I got was a black screen. It seems the game was blacked out here in Hawaii. Is this true? And if so, WHY ?!?

The Giants, A's, Dodgers, Angels and Mariners all claim Hawaii as part of their home team markets. Because of this, only the "Home Team" broadcasters(Fox Sports Net) are allowed to broadcast games involving these teams in Hawaii. Whether or not that they are actually available is another matter.

I have Dish and they also only offer HBO and Showtime HD, but would add Cinemax HD in a minute if it was offered. Both HBO and Showtime have too much non-movie programming for my taste. But that's just me. :)

Charles

Originally posted by Charles O
The Giants, A's, Dodgers, Angels and Mariners all claim Hawaii as part of their home team markets. Because of this, only the "Home Team" broadcasters(Fox Sports Net) are allowed to broadcast games involving these teams in Hawaii. Whether or not that they are actually available is another matter.
Charles

That's really lame. I can almost understand the Dodgers and Angels because of Fox Sports West and FSW2.....but the A's?!? It's a good thing that every MLB team doesn't claim us as part of their home team market else we'd see no baseball at all. I wonder if they all claim Alaska and Guam as their home market too (at least the Padres aren't on that list).

I also agree about the non-movie programming on HBO and SHO. Except for The Sopranos and boxing events I don't watch anything but movies on these channels. It also seems that we are getting the HBO West and SHO West feeds live here. Programs that are showing at 8pm on the west coast we are seeing at 5 pm. Am I mistaken? If this is true then I can see how a DVR would be handy.

David

Hello,

I subscribe to MLB extra innings and notice even though the game is listed on the channels to be shown, it is blacked out also. I mostly just watch the Yankees and Mets so it doesn't bother me as much, but I felt kind of ripped off as Oceanic didn't say all those games would be blacked out beforehand. I mean the MLB extra innings site says games are subject to local blackout but who would've thought all those teams would claim Hawaii as their home market? I never would've bought the package had I known, since I also wanted to watch Ichiro.

It seems the game was blacked out here in Hawaii. Is this true? And if so, WHY ?!?

I was just about to ask that. I'm tired of looking forward to seeing a game in HD only to find out it's been blacked out.

The Giants, A's, Dodgers, Angels and Mariners all claim Hawaii as part of their home team markets. Because of this, only the "Home Team" broadcasters(Fox Sports Net) are allowed to broadcast games involving these teams in Hawaii. Whether or not that they are actually available is another matter.

Yeah that is pretty lame. They expect us to fly up there and catch the games? :confused: Anyway, thanks for the explanation, Charles.

So I guess there's nothing new to report regarding Emmis and Time Warner and HDTV? Just gotta wait for them to duke it out... Being an early adopter feels somewhat like being in prison...

8000HD software
I just got the 8000HD Dvr because my tivo took a nose dive. I've been trying to catch up on all of the 8000HD info in the forums. Am I supposed to have the SARA software on my 8000HD instead of the Passport software? It sounds like the Passport has more features and that Time Warner is supposed be using the Passport software.

When I checked the software on my 8000HD I found that I am running an old version SARA 1.82 something if I remember correctly.

How did you check which version software your 8000HD was using? I think I vaguely remember the technique but don't recall any more. Not that it's likely to make any difference since we're hostages to whatever software that Oceanic decides to send our way ... :(

Spleen

You have to turn off the DVR and use the buttons on the dvr itself.
Then press the + button and wait for the message light to blink. Then press the info button. On page 17 it shows the version numbers. I have 1.82.4.0

I also found this way to get into the menu with out going to the dvr in the SARA COX thread.

LaZy man's Diagnostic mode. You can enter the diagnostic mode from the couch! Be careful with this one though, it may do other accidental things. Press and hold the pause button for about 10 seconds until the Mail light starts to flash. Press PAGE up and you will enter the diagnostic menu.

Now if there was only a way to switch between HD and SD using the remote...instead of turning it off and running the wizard by pressing guide and info on the box.

I got my 8000hd awhile back and finally got around to hooking it up. Also read the other forums and postings and talked to Oceanic tech.

We do not have latest firmware updates here in Hawaii. In fact we are quite a few behind.

In San Diego they are beta testing DVI. Quite a few people on the mainland have Archive to VCR activated. They also have pass through. We do not. I was told by tech to use PIP if you want to record to VCR, but kinda lame. We also don't have the ability NOT to record repeats. If you record all Daily Shows for example you get ALL even if it's the same show. This is also available on the mainland.

Surfgeek-You can switch between HD and SD using the remote. Go to PIP and have same channel on screen and in the PIP. The composite and Svideo will now output. This will give your screen a NTSC signal and you can now change aspect with your TV instead of the cable box. If you don't have the same channel and PIP you can't get the right sound and channel at the same time.

Also you can change aspect using the # button on cable remote with what's on screen (not PIP).

I think the PQ was a bit better with my 3150HD but recording ability makes up for that.

For anyone who is worried about burn-in; after playback of a recorded show you will get a static b&w Nintendo game screen so don't fall asleep on the couch.

Now my questions are: Why don't we have more firmware updates? How long does it take to test? Is Oceanic really actively working on it? Is the HD market just not a priority with them?

I remember awhile back (van cam time frame) the president of Oceanic was on the Mike Buck show on the radio and was saying how lucky we are here because Hawaii gets a lot of cutting edge tech stuff here first to test out before TW on the mainland. Maybe he was thinking about the Jobs channel! Oh well.

Koa,
Thanks for your reply. I read about the PIP trick earlier but didn't try it yet. What I'm trying to do is use the composite outputs to send to an agile rf modulator to send the signal to other parts of the house. But will this picture in pictue trick let me watch recorded shows? I guess I'll have to try when I get home.

So do you have the same SARA software or do you have the Passport software?

We had a tivo up until tuesday. It won't boot up anymore. I think it's just the harddrive so hopefully I can fix it by putting the original harddrive back in. I used the excuse to get an HD DVR.

Reasons My wife hates the DVR:

1. The interface on the DVR is kludgy and pales in comparison to the Tivo.
2. I can't send the signal to the other rooms (I can now by changing the output mode, but for some reason my remote extender won't pass the signals for the DVR remote).
3. Hitting the play button causes the recording to pause or go into slow motion (On tivo I would periodically click the play button to see how much time I had left on a recording).
4. I can't skip to the end of a show or even in 15 minute increments (I heard this feature is on the Passport software).
5. When watching a delayed live show, you get kicked out of the show that you are watching when the show is over. And then because of number 4 you have to slowly fastforward to where you were in the show.
6. We are paying more for the DVR. Our Tivo was/is paid up with a lifetime subscription.

Reasons I like the DVR:
1. HD
2. 2 tuners. I have a computer with snapstream set up so I could tape shows that were on when Tivo was already recording something else. I don't have to do that anymore (unless there are three shows I want to watch!!!)

What is with the KITVHD signal? I was watching football last night, the chargers vs. niners and was hoping for a visual treat. I have to say that it looked like crap. I think it was better looking using my tv's builtin tuner on the analog feed. Was that game not in HD? What show's if any are in HD on KITV? Alias would be awesome in HD.

surfgeek, that 49ers-Chargers game was not an ABC telecast, that was a local KPIX-TV San Francisco show that KITV picked up.

koa, as to the firmware version on the cable boxes and DVRs that Oceanic is distributing...it's exactly because we DO have these cutting edge interactive services that they can't just roll out all the shiny new versions of the firmware here. There are frequently incompatibilities and/or resource issues with the system/boxes here in Hawaii that other cable systems do not have due to all of the interactive services they run here. Many times the boxes just don't have enough memory and/or horsepower to run all this stuff. I have been told that they have to do far more testing of the updates locally than the other systems just because of these issues.


Eric

egcarter,

Thanks for the fast reply.

Are those interactive services a big hit with subscribers? I never use them except to watch an occasional movie on demand. I would think the mainland cable companies with the firmware updates also have MoD.

I would rather have the best pq and most useful features for recording that pq than interactive services which are far from cutting edge.

After all I think most people subscribe for the picture and not for the ability to order pizza or play interactive games. How many complaints do you get when an interactive channel goes down as opposed to picture quality issues?

I could be wrong. Does anyone here use those interactive features besides MoD? I know there's no choice except to patiently wait for improvements. Thanks again Eric.

surfgeek,

I have the same firmware as you, I think we all do.

The PIP trick will enable the composite output on cable box so you might be able to send the signal. The problem is the PIP has to be the same as on screen channel to get the same program sound. I don't think it will work on recordings since I don't think you can watch a recording and have that recording play in PIP.

Koa,

I have no idea how popular the interactive services are. I don't use 'em myself. I don't think it's particularly MoD that's causing conflicts...they have much more stuff than just that. And there are infrastructure differences between the systems here and most places elsewhere. There are separate yet interconnected cable systems on the various islands in the Oceanic system. It's a rather complex arrangement, plus the big albatross hanging over their heads, the legacy analog system/subscribers that are eating up all of the bandwidth.

Eric

What equipment do you have your Jamo D7's connected to? In your Saturn Theatre, what is your equipment?

thanks,

Michael
Huntsville, Alabama

as to the firmware version on the cable boxes and DVRs that Oceanic is distributing...it's exactly because we DO have these cutting edge interactive services that they can't just roll out all the shiny new versions of the firmware here. There are frequently incompatibilities and/or resource issues with the system/boxes here in Hawaii that other cable systems do not have due to all of the interactive services they run here. Many times the boxes just don't have enough memory and/or horsepower to run all this stuff. I have been told that they have to do far more testing of the updates locally than the other systems just because of these issues.

Eric, that makes sense.

But the thing I can't get over is the fact that our 3250HDs are stil on version 1.50.18.45. Your box has a newer version with Pass-Through enabled, also firewire. For those of us that just want Pass-Through, not firewire, we can't get it because of Oceanic/TW's concerns regarding copyrights. (I believe that's what was mentioned) Well, most of us have no firewire devices to connect anyway. And if they just passed on the update, who would know but us, the ones looking for Pass-Through? Practically no one would know firewire is active, I haven't even checked if my box has firewire ports in back. :D Anyway, like Spleen said, were hostages. Darn cable monopolies...:rolleyes:

The last I had heard by July of 2005 they plan to have wizbang boxes with DVI/HDMI/whatever all enabled along with firewire throughout the Oceanic system. That of course, includes the pass-through features, etc. Who knows what else they will be doing by then.

redsandvb,

Some of these edicts come down from TW corporate, some are local technical issues. Apparently some of the TW systems around the country have technically "jumped the gun" by introducing new features that corporate has said not to introduce yet...

Michael,

Currently the Saturn Theatre is awaiting upgrades. There is NOTHING driving the Jamo D7's and Velodyne DD-18 at present. Darn manufacturers are very late!

Eric

egcarter

I've purchased a Mits DVHS VCR to record HD and the like off my new tv with CableCARD. I have tried to record from every HD channel, and regardless of the channel or program, my Mits gives me a copy protection error about 20 seconds after record initiation. I have no idea whether this is a problem with the connectivity between the tv and VCR or a 5C issue. My set does obey CP flags, but since it isn't a recording device shouldn't it pass the "record once" flag on to the VCR? Is that not what an STB does? I tried to record Drugstore Cowboy on INHD today to no avail.

This VCR goes back next week if I can't figure this out. Comments?

David

EDIT: Just watched A Clockwork Orange on HDNetMovies. WOW!!! Still couldn't record it though.:mad:

delar,

I don't know what the deal is with Cablecard and recording in HD. Since you do have a DVHS VCR you are eligible for the "tweaked" 3250HD box with the firewire ports active. That's what I use for recording HD on my JVC DVHS. You must also use the "VCR Commander" IR blaster for the box to run the VCR using the cable guide's VCR timer function.

It's klunky but it works. Sometimes there is a recording flag and the VCR only records in 480i, but it usually records in HD.

Eric

Thanks Eric

I'm not sure how long it would take to get my hands on one of those tweaked 3250's. Sort of a catch 22: If I can't get the 3250 in 2 weeks, the VCR has to go back, but if it goes back, I can't get the 3250 :(

delar,

I have sent you a PM.

Eric

Some of these edicts come down from TW corporate, some are local technical issues.

Eric, I think I remember you mentioning that about TW corporate. As for technical issues, I just assume there are none with your box and therefore the software version on it. Anyway, it's just the hopeless chance of me getting a simple (and already working) thing like pass-through on my box any time soon that's killing me. :(

BTW, anyone know anything about TNT-HD coming? I've read that TW's starting carrying them in back in May. Doesn't TW own TNT? Wouldn't that speed things up a bit?

TW does own TNT, but there are technical issues, too. Oceanic has a bandwidth squeeze, no? Why else would they be using statistical multiplexers? It's all that analog stuff taking up the bandwidth. Down with Analog Customers! I think they are preparing to add a bunch of new HD channels in the near future. That's one reason for the recent channel shuffle.

Eric

I'm hoping that more HD channels are coming -- I'm holding off on reprogramming my Pronto from the latest HD channel shuffle with the hope that I'll be able to do it when I add the new HD channels in the near future. ;)

Spleen

Oceanic has a bandwidth squeeze, no? Why else would they be using statistical multiplexers? It's all that analog stuff taking up the bandwidth. Down with Analog Customers! I think they are preparing to add a bunch of new HD channels in the near future. That's one reason for the recent channel shuffle.

Well, at least there's something to look forward to in the (somewhat) near future. Hope it happens quick. Dang analogers...;)

About the bandwidth and what hdcable mentioned about DiscoveryHD, HDNet, and HDNet Movies a while back... Anyone else notice that in addition to the pixelation, the picture 'pulses'? Kind of goes slightly dimmer then back to normal really quickly. Just wondering.

Thanks

Originally posted by redsandvb
Well, at least there's something to look forward to in the (somewhat) near future. Hope it happens quick. Dang analogers...;)

About the bandwidth and what hdcable mentioned about DiscoveryHD, HDNet, and HDNet Movies a while back... Anyone else notice that in addition to the pixelation, the picture 'pulses'? Kind of goes slightly dimmer then back to normal really quickly. Just wondering.

Thanks

I've noticed the pulsing on DiscoveryHD as well. Not sure what it is, but I think I read that others across the country are seeing this too. If all HD channels looked like that I probably wouldn't bother with HD at all. The other 2 channels you mention appear to have inferior PQ and pixellations when compared to INHD and the premium HD channels, perhaps from too much compression.

If they are adding (squeezing) more HD channels in then they all might start looking like this. :(

Since when did the thread title change to "Honolulu, HI - HDTV"?? :confused:

Spleen

ESPN-HD is now showing up on TWC systems across the country. Any word when Oceanic will bring it online? It should soon be available to those subscribing to the HD tier......just in time for football season. :)

To whomever changed the thread title to "Honolulu, HI - HDTV"...this covers the entire state of Hawaii, not just Honolulu. <harumpff!>
I haven't lived in Honolulu for 35 years.

Eric

Spleen,

Saw your post a while back regarding sound problems on the 8000HD. I've noticed that DD 5.1 sound will drop out on recordings during sequences that are mostly one color. For example, at the start of a movie (or anytime) when the screen is mostly black, the sound will stutter and drop out intermittently until there is more visual 'information' on the screen. I wonder if this is related to the compression used for recording. And I'm not sure if I've seen this occur at broadcast time. Hope this problem gets fixed eventually too.

hawaii2000