http://snipurl.com/dwlwz

[I was informed that Time Warner has purchased Comcast's powerboost technology. They've been rolling this out division by division. It was finally introduced in Hawaii this February. This technology apparently skews speed test results making them look better than they really are.]

To test the "skews" speed theory, I tried to do a comparison of "Oceanic" speed test vs "Other" speed tests. I go to:

http://speedtest.oceanic.com/

BUT, apparently "Oceanic" speed test is only available to Oceanic internet subscribers, since I got this:

"You are not authorized to view this page. The Web server you are attempting to reach has a list of IP addresses that are not allowed to access the Web site, and the IP address of your browsing computer is on this list."

My oh my, but why am I not(!) surprised? Any guess as to what Oceanic will say if you called and said "my speed test using test "XYZ" test is only xxx (small), but I'm I'm paying $$$ (big bucks) and supposed to be getting X,XXX (big) speed." Makes me wonder if the all knowing Oceanic "server" recognizes that you're about to do a "speed" test and sprinkles some fairy (speed) dust on your line while the (unbiased) test is running.

FYI on a couple of other speed test links:

http://www.speedtest.net/

http://helpme.att.net/dsl/speedtest/

http://www2.verizon.net/micro/speedtest/


Oops, some of those speed test links are DSL only, sorry about that:

http://reviews.cnet.com/internet-speed-test/
http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest/
http://www.auditmypc.com/internet-speed-test.asp?0.921
http://internet-speed-test.broadbandinfo.com/
http://www.cable-modem.net/features/internet_speed_test.html

Things have been going swimingly here since CBS began broadcasting the digital SCTE 127 stream with TVGOS embedded in it.

Until yesterday. Next Saturday's listings came up full of holes: "No Listing" for 30 minute segments, after 2:00 PM HST (Midnight UTC), for only selected channels (most of them). Today, the situation is worse, as next Sunday's guide continues "No Listing" from Saturday, but at 2:00 PM HST all the guide data becomes "No Listing".

I am running off of the KGMB (CBS) digital TVGOS data, I have a Sony DHG-HDD500 with G* firmware 08.01.42/08.06.44. The 9012 test shows VBI data on my host channel. Here's something interesting: under the Section VBI Data-VBIDLSched, all of my versions are 100. This is the first instance of 100 that I have read of to date.

The symptoms appear to resemble an incorrect zipcode, or the current data has incorrect zipcode information, so that - while I have time, a grid, and a channel listing - I am not getting any valid program information. I may try a new zipcode later to see if that gets things back on track.

Anyone else having similar problems?

It looks like KITV (ABC) has been off the air on Directv for most of the day... anyone else seeing this?

Yes - same with Dish and my OTA ;-\

KITV still down as of 1:00pm Tuesday... are Oceanic customers seeing this also?

Anyone know what's going on? It's been down for at least 24 hours now.

KITV still down as of 1:00pm Tuesday... are Oceanic customers seeing this also?

Anyone know what's going on? It's been down for at least 24 hours now.

I believe that OTW get's their feed straight from KITV (fiber) - also since nobody else has posted anything about it (i.e. no local news about this at all - yet), this is most likely a local outage with their Broadcast/transmit ability.

Only us satellite people aren't receiving KITV... my mom (who has cable) reports no problems...

My wife has been pissed... she's a big Dancing with the Stars fan.:eek:

Only us satellite people aren't receiving KITV... my mom (who has cable) reports no problems...

My wife has been pissed... she's a big Dancing with the Stars fan.:eek:

It also effects folks that have only Antenna's either via QAM Tuners or Digital to Analog converter boxes. i.e. "Anybody" that does not have Oceanic :confused:

All appears back to normal with KITV today... at least on Directv, anyway.

Hope it stays on for Lost tonight!

kitv hd was fine on dish

From the Oceanic website:

HD PPV moves from Ch. 1700 to 1701 and the launch of NBC sports has been delayed until further notice.

Time Warner Cable is currently involved in discussions regarding the following stations. While we cannot guarantee that we will reach agreement with the relevant programmers, we are listing these stations in the event we are able to start carrying them in the future: Smithsonian HD, MAV HD, Shorts HD, Crime and Investigation HD.

The new services listed below cannot be accessed on Cable CARD-equipped Unidirectional Digital Cable Products purchased at retail without additional two-way capable equipment: Smithsonian HD, MAV HD, Shorts HD, Crime and Investigation HD.

This morning around 8 AM I could not find "The CW" network at 85.4 where it has been for months. A few minutes later, I could no longer find KHON at 85.3 either. Please correct me if I'm wrong but it appears that there is only the SD version of KHON available at 117.211.

Is this just another in a long series of GFYs to its customers from OTW? I rescanned for channels and there has been a reallocation for all the shopping & PPV preview channels. I suppose those valuable bits of programming must be protected. But KHON, who cares about that?

UPDATE: Low level scanning of channel 85 shows a 39MBps QAM256 stream but there appears to be no PSIP data. So it looks like a case of malevolent incompetence, not outright fraud.

NEW UPDATE: I found KHON-DT at 46.3 and CW at 46.4. F you, Oceanic. Douche bags.

Call this a shocker......Oceanic is now listing it's QAM frequencies on it's website.

http://www.oceanic.com/products/television/digital_cable/lineups-for-direct-digital-tv-or-tivo-hookups

Hopefully this is a sign that they have decided to support QAM tuners and keep this list updated.

Call this a shocker......Oceanic is now listing it's QAM frequencies on it's website.

http://www.oceanic.com/products/television/digital_cable/lineups-for-direct-digital-tv-or-tivo-hookups

Hopefully this is a sign that they have decided to support QAM tuners and keep this list updated.

They missed KHON (SD) at 117.211 (or 110.211 or 118.211 on Maui and Big Island), as well as The CW at KHON + 0.1 (46.4 or 119.4 on the Big Island).

Here's the list fixed in concrete so there is no funny business as they might be inclined to edit the list with no notice (effective date is 04/07/09). It is nearly useless if the list is changed daily, and the first thing you must do every morning is check the official OTW list.

Oahu Kauai Maui Big Island
Ch# . Pr# Ch# . Pr# Ch# . Pr# Ch# . Pr#
KBFD 113.5 113.5 113.5 116.5
KFVE 117.5 117.5 110.5 118.5
KFVE HD 110.1 110.1 107.1 121.1
KGMB 117.7 117.7 110.7 118.7
KGMB HD 113.1 113.1 113.1 115.1
KHET 117.10 117.10 110.10 118.10
KHET HD 120.12 120.12 120.12 120.12
KHNL 117.8 117.8 110.8 118.8
KHNL HD 83.3 83.3 84.3 84.3
KHON HD 46.3 46.3 46.3 119.3
KIKU 113.4 113.4 113.4 116.4
KITV 117.6 117.6 110.6 118.6
KITV HD 114.2 114.2 115.2 115.2
PBSK 115.3 115.3 116.3 115.3

Andrew: Can one receive the QAM channels with the most basic analog OTW cable subscription? Or do they only allow them through for digital subscribers?

Andrew: Can one receive the QAM channels with the most basic analog OTW cable subscription? Or do they only allow them through for digital subscribers?

Yes, this is part of the basic tier cable as required by FCC mandate. For a while, OTW included several other basic tier channels, for example TBS, AMC, and FX, as digital SD. But they eventually figured out that this was more than the absolute minimum required by law, and the digital programming disappeared. As part of their absolute minimum value to the customer policy, they strip all the PSIP data, and the additional program streams from the locals' ATSC streams. I can't receive OTA, but www.titantv.com (http://www.titantv.com) tells me that KITV-DT broadcasts a 24 hour weather program on subchannel 4.2 and KHNL-DT broadcasts NBC Plus on 13.2. And KPXO-DT has 3 additional streams: Qubo, ION Life, and Worship on subchannels 66.2, 66.3, and 66.4. OTW strips out these alternate streams because the FCC allows it.

Come 2012 or later (who knows), when all MSOs (Multiple System Operators) like OTW go fully digital, things are going to get interesting. I have seen the "digital package" that OTW provides for an extra fee, and it is horrible. The content is generally all SD, grossly compressed, and worse than an analog NTSC version. The HD programming is fine, but their structure seems to be that they only offer program packages as an all-or-nothing proposition. Each package consists of a half dozen NTSC or QAM SD channels plus one HD, for $30 - $50 per month. It's no wonder the MSOs resist customer choice via ala carte programming. Heaven forbid! Then customers would select only the HD channels, and the SD programming would languish until (a) it is upgraded to HD, or (b) it disappears. And customer value will be maximized as the market decides what the MSOs should carry. Instead, OTW prefers to distort the market by forcing customers to pay for programming they don't want, at a healthy profit for OTW.

Now, I know that I am opening myself to attack here by uttering the forbidden phrase "on the mainland" but I can tell you that Comcast on the mainland, widely regarded as the worst MSOs in the country, provides better basic tier service. In Washington state, Comcast provides digital QAM SD versions of all their basic tier programming, including several not even available as NTSC. They also retain PSIP data so the HDTV channels show up in the correct channel slots - not at random locations like OTW does (and it costs nothing to do this). Finally, the local broadcastsers' DTV streams include all of their subchannels. Comcast doesn't have to do any of that, but they do it anyway. Perhaps they don't hate their customers as much as OTW.

I can only hope that the FCC under Obama will be more consumer friendly, since our local government franchise watchdog is either asleep or paid off by OTW.

Here's some insight into what Time Warner Cable thinks of customers: fat, juicy wallets.

NB: Net Neutrality (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_neutrality)is about making the broadband providers obey the same rules as telcom companies, in that they can not favor one customer use over another. In particular, TWC (http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/101655) has published plans to start charging customers (generally only the ones with no other broadband options) metered rates for bandwith usage. Though they will deny it, their own customers are using NetFlix, BlockBuster, Hulu, and other services to view TV & movie content (http://www.techlore.com/blog/entry/24735/Sorry-Netflix-Hulu-Vudu-Blockbuster-and-iTunes...-We-re-Out-of-Internet/), in competition with their traditional stranglehold on PPV. So the TWC plan is to choke their customers' internet access to guarentee TWC's continued profit. And pushing the US further behind the rest of the world (http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/04/03/the-cost-to-offer-the-worlds-fastest-broadband-20-per-home/), back into the internet stone age.
So what’s wrong with this picture in the United States? The cable companies, like Comcast and Cablevision, that are moving quickly to install the fast broadband technology, called Docsis 3, are charging as much as $140 a month for 50 Mbps service. Meanwhile other companies, like Time Warner Cable, are moving much more slowly to upgrade.

Competition, or the lack of it, goes a long way to explaining why the fees are higher in the United States. There is less competition in the United States than in many other countries. Broadband already has the highest profit margins of any product cable companies offer. Like any profit-maximizing business would do, they set prices in relation to other providers and market demand rather than based on costs.
Today they are scolding the FCC to abandon net neutrality (http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Time-Warner-Cable-Lets-Not-Talk-About-Net-Neutrality-101921?nocomment=1), especially when handing out the $7.2 Billion (yes, that's billion) (http://www.xchangemag.com/articles/stimulus-bill-broadband-gets-7b-in-grants.html) of Federal government broadband stimulus funds. Basically, it's all about "gimme the money" - the same as they behave with customers. My, do they have some huevos.

TWC does want to hear from you, the customer! Be sure to send your comments and complaints to the TWC circular file realideas@twcable.com (http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/04/time-warner-cable-please-complain-about-our-usage-caps.ars). Just don't bother them with your teeny, tiny, insignificant customer voices. But, hey - what do I know? According to OTW, not very much.

Anyone else having problems with KHNL outages over dish network last night?

I'm not getting any TVGOS packets from KGMB on OTW (channel 113.1) since about Thursday/Friday. Analog KGMB (channel 7) seems to have TVGOS data in the VBI. Is there anyone getting KGMB OTA that can verify the presence or absence of digital TVGOS packet data?

4-26-09

Some Oceanic Time Warner customers can soon watch Smithsonian Networks
By Erika Engle

POSTED: 01:30 a.m. HST, Apr 26, 2009

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The Smithsonian Networks will expand their reach in Hawaii.

Already available via DirecTV's HD service, Smithsonian Networks also will be accessible to some Oceanic Time Warner Cable customers as the content "is going to be on HD," said Alan Pollock, vice president of marketing.

Smithsonian's programming is inspired by the museum of the same name, so it is nonfiction in nature (read: educational).

Lest your too-cool-for-school-hipsters threaten to run screaming from the living room, Smithsonian also has pop culture programs.

Via Time Warner, the network also will offer content through Road Runner High Speed Online, HD on Demand and its cable offerings will feature Start Over and Look Back services, for viewers who miss the actual start time of a show.

"We don't have a release date yet, only because we're making room for it ... via switched digital video" technology, he said.

"We're actually going to release, probably three more HD channels at once."

Do tell, your columnist egged on.

He demurred on naming them as decisions aren't final, but everything should be in concrete within 30 days, with the new channels to be added in 60 to 90 days, Pollock said.

Oceanic's goal is to have 75 to 100 HD channels by the end of the year, he said.

Time Warner Cable Inc. earlier announced an agreement with Univision, a Hispanic network that was introduced to Hawaii several years ago via a low-power TV station. However, it only could be received over-the-air, with rabbit ears or other external TV antennae.

Univision will "either be on the digital tier or a paid tier," according to the last word Pollock received from corporate New York. No rollout date has been announced, he said.

Oceanic's goal is to have 75 to 100 HD channels by the end of the year, he said.


From what I can see, Oceanic currently has 43 non-premium HD channels and 19 premium HD. This will hopefully mean that another dozen or more channels (non-premium) will be added this year.

Uplink reports show 33 new HD Channels, coming soon :)

5520 APL
5521 BRAVO
5522 CBSC
5524 DISXD
5527 FOXB
5528 GOLF
5530 HMC
5531 LMN
5532 SCI
5533 WGN
5534 BET
5536 TRV
5538 TWC (not new)
5540 CNBC
5542 DISC
5544 TLC (not new)
5548 LIFE
5550 CMT
5551 CNN
5556 TBS
5558 ABCFM
5560 TOON
5562 DISE
5564 FOXWS
5566 MAX-W
5568 MTV
5570 CMDY
5572 NICK
5574 SPIKE
5576 VH1
5578 A&E
5580 SCIFI
5582 ESPN (not new)
5584 TNT (not new)
5586 HIST
5588 HGTV
5590 ESPN2 (not new)
5592 USA (not new)
5594 FOOD

Mahalo DISH!

KHNL/KFVE, is there an update on them broadcasting on the PBS tower or not? Someone said sometime in april/may?

KHNL/KFVE, is there an update on them broadcasting on the PBS tower or not? Someone said sometime in april/may?

This is from an email string sent/received to KHNL Technical Staff on Jan 30, 2009 (modified);

"
(name),

Our DTV transmitters are located on Makakilo Ridge and it is a single panel antenna facing in the Honolulu direction. Therefore, residents in Waipahu, Waikele, Waipio-Gentry, Mililani, and farther north do not get our signal.

However, all is not lost. If you can get Ch. 11 (KHET/PBS), then there's a chance that you may be able to get us too sometime in April. KHET has their digital antenna on our KFVE analog tower and we will move our antennas to that higher elevation in order to reach more viewers. If you don't get Ch. 11 now then chances are you won't get us in April either.
"

The uplinked channels on Dish between 5520-5529 are at 110w slot, the channels above 5530 are located at 129w. From the looks of things it appears Dish is going to offer (Turbo)HD Bronze by using one dish for 119w(SD) and one dish for 129w(HD), that would explain the duplicates at both 110w and 129w.

As for KHNL/KFVE moving their transmitters to the top of KFVE's tower on Palehua, KGMB is also part of the move. Both KGMB and KHNL have approvals for higher power at Palehua, KFVE and KHET have applications with FCC to boost their power but have yet to get approval.

BTW, KHET also has an application with the FCC to boost power for KMEB on Maui(Ulupalakua Ranch)...both KHET and KMEB are having coverage issues from their VHF digital transmitters.

PPS....KHON(SD) is now showing up as 117.3 on Oceanic QAM.

KHNL/KFVE, is there an update on them broadcasting on the PBS tower or not? Someone said sometime in april/may?

I've been waiting too. I get KHET 11.1/11.2 OK, and keep looking for KHNL but so far no joy.

scott s.
.

KHON-DT at 46.3 and the CW at 46.4 are just black screens at the moment. I am getting KHON SD at 117.3 but only black at 46. There is a signal, and I have seen a CBS satellite transponder screen pop up for a few seconds, so my guess is this is another OTW fsck up. Is this on purpose is TWC hiring from the local special-ed programs again?

There is a huge amount of empty channel space on OTW cable - there is no excuse for SDV other than to deliberately fsck their customers.

OK, both program streams are back now. Very nice.

Hi All,
I'm having some really frustrating service on HD channel versus, channel 1210. MOST of the time it works perfectly, except by failing one of 2 ways, at seemingly random times,
1) I try to record or watch HDVS channel 1210 which is "not available" ???
-or-
2) some really bad reception on HD versus channel on Oceanic Cable.

Mostly I see these problems at only around mid-day hawaii time.
-Specific times the "not available" channel sign was about 3 or 4 weeks ago sunday around 1pm-3pm.
-I saw the poor reception with most of the screen filled with digital snow/blocks and barely audible audio, today (5-12-09) during the NHL playoffs Bruins game (approx time 1pm to 4pm), which magically cleared up for the next program NHL playoff game Redwings (approx 4pm to 6.30pm) ?

Note: I called Oceanic a couple of weeks ago for the "not available" signal, and they said they know about the problem, and it is not oceanic's fault, and it was versus channel who decided not to show the HD channel ??? (and by the way the SD versus channel was available)

Please tell me I am not crazy ? Anybody have any ideas ? Anybody else seeing either of these things, 1) or 2) ?
I'm using a HD DVR, Explorer 8300HD, and have the HD package, all standard. Also, im in Makiki, Thanks !

I've been seeing increased pixilation / dropouts on KHON (FOX) and KITV (ABC), along with the audio "burps" on DIRECTV over the past week or so. Also, KHON appears to be using the SD feed. On Monday night, the 24 finale did not appear to be in HD.

Anyone else with DIRECTV seeing this?

Thanks.

link (http://www.multichannel.com/article/232772-Updated_Time_Warner_Cable_Dropping_HDNet_Channels_Nationwide _May_31.php?q=Time+Warner)

"Time Warner Cable confirmed Monday it will stop offering HDNet and HDNet Movies across all of its systems effective May 31.

The move by Time Warner Cable, which has 8.7 million digital cable subscribers, is a blow to the Mark Cuban-backed HDNet, which was among the first HD services available to cable and satellite operators.

Asked why the company was dropping HDNet's services, Time Warner Cable director of corporate public relations Robyn Watson said, "There's a limited appeal for the programming. In a world with more than 100 HD channels, being in HD is not enough. We are adding other channels in HD to give our customers more choice."

HDNet and HDNet Movies has been available to Time Warner Cable customers in the HD Xtra premium-priced tier, which depending on market costs up to $8.95 extra per month."

I e-mailed Mark Cuban last night expressing my outrage that TW is pulling HDNet. I asked him who I should e-mail at TW to help change their mind.This is a list of e-mail addresses he e-mailed me.

He also suggested to call your local TW office.

Darryl Ryan - Director Of Media Relations
darryl.ryan@twcable.com

Alexander Dudley - Vice President, Public Relations
(212) 364-8229
alex.dudley@twcable.com
AlexTWC on Twitter

John Orzolick - Customer Care Advocate, Corporate Office
customercarefeedback@ndc.rr.com

Mariam Asmar
mariam.asmar@twcable.com
MsmarTWC on Twitter

Holy crap, that sucks! These are two of my favorite HD channels carried by TWC. Thanks for the complaint links; I'll be sure to send my comments to TWC. Fat lotta good it'll do.

Something tells me there's more to this than "limited appeal for the programming." Yes, being in HD is not enough any more, but at least HDNet shows HD! That's more than can be said for many of the "HD" channels that TWC carries.

I e-mailed Mark Cuban last night expressing my outrage that TW is pulling HDNet. I asked him who I should e-mail at TW to help change their mind.This is a list of e-mail addresses he e-mailed me.

He also suggested to call your local TW office.

Darryl Ryan - Director Of Media Relations
darryl.ryan@twcable.com

Alexander Dudley - Vice President, Public Relations
(212) 364-8229
alex.dudley@twcable.com
AlexTWC on Twitter

John Orzolick - Customer Care Advocate, Corporate Office
customercarefeedback@ndc.rr.com

Mariam Asmar
mariam.asmar@twcable.com
MsmarTWC on Twitter

link (http://www.multichannel.com/article/232772-Updated_Time_Warner_Cable_Dropping_HDNet_Channels_Nationwide _May_31.php?q=Time+Warner)

"Time Warner Cable confirmed Monday it will stop offering HDNet and HDNet Movies across all of its systems effective May 31.

The move by Time Warner Cable, which has 8.7 million digital cable subscribers, is a blow to the Mark Cuban-backed HDNet, which was among the first HD services available to cable and satellite operators.

Asked why the company was dropping HDNet's services, Time Warner Cable director of corporate public relations Robyn Watson said, "There's a limited appeal for the programming. In a world with more than 100 HD channels, being in HD is not enough. We are adding other channels in HD to give our customers more choice."

HDNet and HDNet Movies has been available to Time Warner Cable customers in the HD Xtra premium-priced tier, which depending on market costs up to $8.95 extra per month."

More choice my foot...
Complaints sent...:mad:

E-mails sent. BTW I just moved here and have a couple questions.

I have a HD DVR from Time Warner the 8300 model. I noticed a couple things. All the SD channels are stretched to look like HD but really they just look worse!! Is there anything I can do to get the bars back on the left and right sides to get the right aspect ratio?

Also I noticed a lot of the HD channels don't show the equivalent show that's on the SD channel, like last night I was watching TLC but the show on SD was what seemed like should be on, but on the HD channel was some paid programming show that seemed like it would only be on at 4:00 am when most of those things come on.. most HD channels were like this actually?? Whats up with that?

E-mails sent. BTW I just moved here and have a couple questions.

I have a HD DVR from Time Warner the 8300 model. I noticed a couple things. All the SD channels are stretched to look like HD but really they just look worse!! Is there anything I can do to get the bars back on the left and right sides to get the right aspect ratio?

Also I noticed a lot of the HD channels don't show the equivalent show that's on the SD channel, like last night I was watching TLC but the show on SD was what seemed like should be on, but on the HD channel was some paid programming show that seemed like it would only be on at 4:00 am when most of those things come on.. most HD channels were like this actually?? Whats up with that?

Try hitting the # button on your remote. That'll cycle through the 4 aspect ratio modes.

Many of the SD channels are from a West Coast feed, and are 2 or 3 hours behind depending on mainland standard or daylight time. Most of the HD channels, however, are East coast feeds and will be 5 or 6 hours off. Irritating to be sure, but that's where the DVR function come in! :D

I've read through most of this thread but things seem to change so fast. With OTWC dropping HDNET I'm looking to get either Dish or DirecTV. From looking at their websites, it seems like they are much cheaper than OTWC for what you get.

I live in Ahuimanu in Kaneohe so it gets rainy and cloudy alot, would that be a problem? How is the reception in general? Is there HD performance any good?

Any particular pros/cons for each?

Thanks.

I live in Ahuimanu in Kaneohe so it gets rainy and cloudy alot, would that be a problem?
It might. But rain, mountains, and trees somewhere between you and the satellites is more relevant. You need an unobstructed line of sight. I think Ahuimanu might have a mountain problem. You can use dishpointer (http://www.dishpointer.com/) to help figure out whether you'll be able to see the satellites. Or, you can just go ahead and subscribe, and let the satellite installers decide whether you're in a feasible location. (But you don't want to sign off on the installation until you're sure you are actually getting an adequate signal.)

I subscribe to DirecTV from Waimanalo. I have a nice clear view to the SE over the ocean. Rain has seldom been a problem, but it does occasionally prevent me getting a signal. That's happened twice this year so far, I think.

HD is good, as compared with Oceanic (except for local NBC HD, which isn't yet available by satellite).

I've read through most of this thread but things seem to change so fast. With OTWC dropping HDNET I'm looking to get either Dish or DirecTV. From looking at their websites, it seems like they are much cheaper than OTWC for what you get.

I live in Ahuimanu in Kaneohe so it gets rainy and cloudy alot, would that be a problem? How is the reception in general? Is there HD performance any good?

Any particular pros/cons for each?

Thanks.

I have DirecTV here on the Big Island, Hamakua district (rainy side, but not quite as wet as Hilo), and I haven't had any issues with rain fade. I think as long as your dish is peaked properly, you should be fine.

DirecTV uses the larger 1.2 meter dishes, which may be a pain for some people.

I switched from OTW mainly for the sports packages, OTW stopped carrying the NBA package on the Big Island last year.

DirecTV has it's glitches, but I've been very happy with it so far.

E-mails sent. BTW I just moved here and have a couple questions.

I have a HD DVR from Time Warner the 8300 model. I noticed a couple things. All the SD channels are stretched to look like HD but really they just look worse!! Is there anything I can do to get the bars back on the left and right sides to get the right aspect ratio?...

If it's not because of a 'zoom' mode, maybe set the Picture Format to AutoDVI/HDMI. On the remote, Settings-->Settings(again)-->scroll down to Set:Picture Format.
If that doesn't work, maybe the box isn't set to all resolutions. Power Off box, TV On, press Guide & Info simultaneously, go thru setup picking the resolutions...

:cool:

All the SD channels are stretched to look like HD ...
In addition to what the 8300 does to control the aspect ratio, note that your TV set may also change aspect. So if changing aspect on the 8300 doesn't work, try changing the aspect ratio on your TV.

OTW now has 1339 Smithsonian HD (HSMIT) and 1565 Crime and Investigation HD (HC&I) online. As posted, 1355 HDNET now deleted from lineup.

And HDMOV is gone, too... :-(

And HDMOV is gone, too... :-(

TWC inked a deal with RFD-TV (Link (http://www.rfdtv.com/Press/Releases/HTML/Time_Deal.asp)). Maybe they are making space so that we get to see Hee-Haw and womens pro rodeo in HD. Oohhhhh... live cattle auctions too! :D

Has anyone gotten the new DISH HD package? The one that receives national HD channels from their 129 satellite? Is it any good? Did you need to get a new dish to receive the programming? Is there a single dish solution that would allow you to see all 3 satellites? Thanks.

TWC inked a deal with RFD-TV (Link (http://www.rfdtv.com/Press/Releases/HTML/Time_Deal.asp)). Maybe they are making space so that we get to see Hee-Haw and womens pro rodeo in HD. Oohhhhh... live cattle auctions too! :D

I thought you were kidding. That'll a big hit here :rolleyes:

I thought you were kidding. That'll a big hit here :rolleyes:
We get RFD on DirecTV, and my wife watches the horse training/tips-type shows often. Wouldn't be without it. But then we live out here in horse country --- wouldn't expect you city folks to be interested.

link (http://www.multichannel.com/article/232772-Updated_Time_Warner_Cable_Dropping_HDNet_Channels_Nationwide _May_31.php?q=Time+Warner)

"Time Warner Cable confirmed Monday it will stop offering HDNet and HDNet Movies across all of its systems effective May 31.

The move by Time Warner Cable, which has 8.7 million digital cable subscribers, is a blow to the Mark Cuban-backed HDNet, which was among the first HD services available to cable and satellite operators.

Asked why the company was dropping HDNet's services, Time Warner Cable director of corporate public relations Robyn Watson said, "There's a limited appeal for the programming. In a world with more than 100 HD channels, being in HD is not enough. We are adding other channels in HD to give our customers more choice."

HDNet and HDNet Movies has been available to Time Warner Cable customers in the HD Xtra premium-priced tier, which depending on market costs up to $8.95 extra per month."

We get RFD on DirecTV, and my wife watches the horse training/tips-type shows often. Wouldn't be without it. But then we live out here in horse country --- wouldn't expect you city folks to be interested.

Kind of contradictory (first quote in bold)! Take away HDNET and HDMOV and replace it with--drum roll ....RFD???? That is giving us "more choice?"

One wants to watch horse shows--no problem with me. One wants to watch cooking shows--no problem with me. Variety is the spice of life!

My position is, once it's in the lineup, leave it! Yeah, there are 'legitimate' reasons to remove a station but not what OTW has given in regards to HDNET.

I fixed my issue with having SD channels stretched. Apparently I had to set the output to "Fixed" while on an HD channel, doing it on a SD channel had no effect.

On another note. Has anyone noticed while watching MTV (SD) the color's look like they are banding? You see a sort of rainbow effect in some places. I am guessing the feed is getting screwed up somewhere along the way over here, looks very bad!

Im really about to consider Direct TV, does anyone see any downside to direct tv?

Kind of contradictory (first quote in bold)! Take away HDNET and HDMOV and replace it with--drum roll ....RFD???? That is giving us "more choice?"

One wants to watch horse shows--no problem with me. One wants to watch cooking shows--no problem with me. Variety is the spice of life!

My position is, once it's in the lineup, leave it! Yeah, there are 'legitimate' reasons to remove a station but not what OTW has given in regards to HDNET.

FWIW,
I got two responses to my complaint emails. One said (I paraphrase) "We've learned over the past week that there sure are a lot of HDNet fans out there!" and "It came down to money"; the second said (in a more formal and form letter tone), HDNet wanted to be in the basic tier, and TWC wanted to leave them in the premium tier, and the two sides could not come to agreement. In other words, dropping HDNet/HDNet Movies had nothing to do with "limited appeal" -- it was about money. No surprise. Can't wait for Hee Haw.

..., HDNet wanted to be in the basic tier, and TWC wanted to leave them in the premium tier, ...
A few months ago, HDNet and DirecTV had a similar dispute, and after threatening to demote HDNet to a premium package, and hearing from their subscribers that this was not very popular, DirecTV arrived at a compromise with HDNet of keeping HDNet on a basic HD tier but putting HDNet Movies into a premium package. Now on DirecTV you have to pay $5/mo extra to get HDNet Movies, Smithsonian HD, MGMHD, Music High Definition, and Universal HD.

FWIW,
I got two responses to my complaint emails. One said (I paraphrase) "We've learned over the past week that there sure are a lot of HDNet fans out there!" and "It came down to money"; the second said (in a more formal and form letter tone), HDNet wanted to be in the basic tier, and TWC wanted to leave them in the premium tier, and the two sides could not come to agreement. In other words, dropping HDNet/HDNet Movies had nothing to do with "limited appeal" -- it was about money. No surprise. Can't wait for Hee Haw.

Yeah, as far as OTM is concerned, there is only ONE driving force in the decision making process...money! That is why competition is good for the consumers. Think Blockbuster before Netflix entered the movie rental business.

If another cable tv business entered the Hawaii market and offered more HD channels, comparable feed quality, decent support AND for less monthly charges there would be a TOTALLY different mindset within the corporate echelon of OTW.

Im really about to consider Direct TV, does anyone see any downside to direct tv?
There are some downsides to DirecTV. If you read the D* forums on dbstalk (http://www.dbstalk.com/forumdisplay.php?f=82) you'll see plenty of complaints: malfunctioning satellite receivers, billing errors, and so on. Right now, I have a little problem with one of my receivers that requires resetting it twice a week. Also, the D* receivers are very sluggish performers, as compared with the OTW boxes, they do not offer a choice of color schemes for the on-screen user interface, and they cannot alter the aspect ratio for HD signals. If you buy an external hard disk for more room to store DVR recordings, you can still use the internal disk with the OTW 8300 box, but you can no longer use the internal disk in the D* boxes.

Frequent sources of unhappiness of D* customers are the initial charges for their receivers which give people the impression they are buying the receivers when they are really just renting them, and the fact that customers may still have to pay for fixing them when they break (depending on circumstances). And D* will extend the initial 2 year subscription commitment sometimes when they have to service your installation.

There are plenty of good things about D*, too, but you asked for downsides.

There are plenty of good things about D*, too, but you asked for downsides.

I think for some people, D* is not necessarily a good alternative to cable. You have to be willing to accept the fact that you are mostly responsible for all the equipment that's on your property (dish, switches, splitters, etc.). It helps if you have an interest in how the technology works, and you are proactive in troubleshooting issues. For that reason, I probably would not recommend D* to some people (like my parents, for instance) who don't care how it works, and are just looking for the cheapest option.

That dbstalk forum definately makes for a fun read. :) Lots of good stuff, and I've learned quite a lot from it.

i have had dish for a couple of years now and love it, and with regards to the HD stuff I am a lot happier now that we have around 25 stations

Does anyone know what the QAM frequency for KHON HD on TWC (oahu)?

Does anyone know what the QAM frequency for KHON HD on TWC (oahu)?

http://www.oceanic.com/products/television/digital_cable/lineups-for-direct-digital-tv-or-tivo-hookups

46.3 ;)

QAM gots its own page!

Anyone having problems with their Tivo & Tuning Adapter today? Mine's been blinking all day long and I can't tune in some stations. I'm in Makiki, maybe it's location based?

Anyone having problems with their Tivo & Tuning Adapter today? Mine's been blinking all day long and I can't tune in some stations. I'm in Makiki, maybe it's location based?
Count me as someone who has a bad TA, after 3 months of goodish service my TA fried itself. Slow 8 blinks of light, Oceanic says thats hardware failure and someone has to roll to fix it. GRRR.

Count me as someone who has a bad TA, after 3 months of goodish service my TA fried itself. Slow 8 blinks of light, Oceanic says thats hardware failure and someone has to roll to fix it. GRRR.

These guys here seem to think it means that OTW just need to hit the box again.

http://tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=6996606#post6996606

Anyone else use TitanTV for their listings? If so, are you having problems logging in to their new site?

I cannot login and I DO NOT want to go though the whole process of inputting ALL the missing HD channels that TitanTV does not show! I have/had it where I get all the current HD listings.

Created a new account and as usual-- Beta to Final release is full of bugs. I want the old site as it had all I needed!

Anyone else use TitanTV for their listings? If so, are you having problems logging in to their new site?

I don't, but I used to use TitanTV occasionally. I did just now have a problem logging in, but I managed to do it. My browser could not do it automatically, but I happened to remember the name and password I had used. Titan's new system let me login and offered to migrate my old account settings to their new system. I asked to do that, and it seems to have worked -- the guide came up with the values I asked for previously.

I don't, but I used to use TitanTV occasionally. I did just now have a problem logging in, but I managed to do it. My browser could not do it automatically, but I happened to remember the name and password I had used. Titan's new system let me login and offered to migrate my old account settings to their new system. I asked to do that, and it seems to have worked -- the guide came up with the values I asked for previously.

Got a response from TitanTV. Problem was that my password had uppercase in it. I changed it to all lowercase and that worked. I got everything back-with some changes- and now have ALL HD channels on OTW.

Phew! Was worried there for a moment as cannot afford to lose my TitanTV listings...best on the net! Don't want to constantly use the Guide on the TV as it's a pain and inefficient. TitanTV allows me to see 15 different channels on my screen and in a 6hrs timeframe.

Thanks,
Robert

The hard drive on my Tivo Series 3 died and I've got a pre-formatted drive from Weaknees on the way. I've scoured the forums, and it seems that most likely I will have to call OTW to pair my cable cards again. Some providers can do it over the phone, others require a tech come to the house, others just let you plug the cards in and away you go.

Has anyone done this before with OTW, and if so, what did you need to do to get your cable cards up and running again?

TIA.

These guys here seem to think it means that OTW just need to hit the box again.

http://tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=6996606#post6996606
Thanks for the response, oceanic replaced TA. The guy tried to have them hit it from the head end but didn't make a diff. I think something got shorted out because it started fritzing after a cable service blip.

The hard drive on my Tivo Series 3 died and I've got a pre-formatted drive from Weaknees on the way. I've scoured the forums, and it seems that most likely I will have to call OTW to pair my cable cards again. Some providers can do it over the phone, others require a tech come to the house, others just let you plug the cards in and away you go.

Has anyone done this before with OTW, and if so, what did you need to do to get your cable cards up and running again?

TIA.

I successfully installed the new hard drive and as expected, the Tivo tells me that I need to call my service provider to set up the cable cards. The authorization hit doesn't get to the cards because the host ID changed when I swapped the hard drive. I tried twice to get the CSRs to change my host ID over the phone, but no dice. A tech is coming out Friday and they're going to charge me $33. :mad:

As part of the random channel remix, OTW has whimsically re-assigned their retransmission of the local OTA broadcasters because, well, they can. Oh, and they hate you. Ha ha ha.

Look at: http://www.oceanic.com/products/television/digital_cable/lineups-for-direct-digital-tv-or-tivo-hookups

It is effective 06/24/09 - yesterday. "Because we hate you."(tm)

The changes are: KGMB-HD is now 28.1, KFVE-HD is now 118.1, and KIKU is now 28.4. KWBN that used to be on NTSC channel 28 is now gone, gone, gone. But of course, it is all done for the benefit of the customers.

If I ever have my ethical glands removed, I know where I can get a job.

http://www.multichannel.com/article/306974-FCC_Vacates_SDV_Rulings_Against_Time_Warner_Cable_Cox.php

The Federal Communications Commission on Friday reversed orders by the agency's Enforcement Bureau that fined Time Warner Cable and Cox Communications for deploying switched digital video.

"We base this decision on a plain reading of our rules, the potential consumer benefits of SDV deployment, and other factors that limit the potential scope of consumer disruption," the FCC said.

The FCC's Enforcement Bureau in January issued orders fining Time Warner Cable and Cox for moving some channels from their broadcast lineups to switched digital video, which made that programming inaccessible to CableCard-based devices like TiVo DVRs.

The orders covered Time Warner Cable Oceanic's Oahu and Kauai systems and Cox's Fairfax County, Va., system. The Enforcement Bureau levied $20,000 fines on each system; both Cox and TWC on Feb. 18 filed petitions for reconsideration of the forfeiture orders.

Junk. How much was THAT payoff? (grrrr)

I think i'm going to complain to OTW, as i'm a basic cable subscriber and it looks as if channel 28 is blocked off...therefore, i can't get kbfd, kiku, and kgmb :(

I think i'm going to complain to OTW, as i'm a basic cable subscriber and it looks as if channel 28 is blocked off...therefore, i can't get kbfd, kiku, and kgmb :(

When you call Oceanic just ask for technical support and explain that you have a direct hookup to a digital television but that you are only a basic sub, but for whatever reason are unable to get the digital stations on ch. 28....they might have to adjust/replace the notch filter on your cable line. I didn't think that Oceanic would filter out ch.28 for basic subs since it was an analog local, KWBN, that was previously there.

When you call Oceanic just ask for technical support and explain that you have a direct hookup to a digital television but that you are only a basic sub, but for whatever reason are unable to get the digital stations on ch. 28....they might have to adjust/replace the notch filter on your cable line. I didn't think that Oceanic would filter out ch.28 for basic subs since it was an analog local, KWBN, that was previously there.

Channel 28 is channel 28. Period. There is only one channel 28. It is no longer carrying analog KWBN, it is carrying a digital stream with KGMB at subprogram 1, KIKU on 4, some other SD program at 5, and something encrypted at 7. That's it. There is no "filtering" or "notching": this is now channel 28. If you look at the ever-so-painful "Zap-2-it" guide, it skips from 27 to 29. KWBN might have been shifted somewhere else or perhaps, most likely, OTW just doesn't care.

That didn't come out right and for some reason, I can't edit the post. This is what I meant to say:

When you call Oceanic just ask for technical support and explain that you have a direct hookup to a digital television but that you are only a basic sub, but for whatever reason are unable to get the digital stations on ch. 28....they might have to adjust/replace the notch filter on your cable line. I didn't think that Oceanic would filter out ch.28 for basic subs since it was an analog local, KWBN, that was previously there.

Channel 28 is channel 28. There is only one channel 28. It is no longer carrying analog KWBN, it is carrying a digital stream with KGMB at subprogram 1, KIKU on 4, some other SD program at 5, and something encrypted at 7. That's it. There should be no "filtering" or "notching" as it was never "premium". If you look at the ever-so-painful "Zap-2-it" guide, it skips from 27 to 29. KWBN might have been shifted somewhere else, and maybe your head-end hasn't been updated to insert digital 28 (it's only been a little less than a week and stuff like this takes time between smoke breaks and plate lunch) or perhaps, most likely, OTW just doesn't care. But I'm sure they'll happily rent you a super deluxe "Digital Service Package & Converter Box". I've seen the digital service, they should pay me to watch their over compressed garbage.

What Oceanic calls "basic" cable is what most call "Lifeline" service.
What most call "Basic" cable, Oceanic calls "Standard" service.

"Lifeline" service give you just the local channels, TBS, Olelo and C-Span...Oceanic sells this service for $10 a month. When you subscribe to this service Oceanic install a notch filter on the cable line at your home to block out the standard service channels, they don't filter out the "channels" for digital service since even with "lifeline" Oceanic(as well as all cable companies) must make premium service available to all subs.
Since KWBN was a local channel, the notch filter should have been set to pass ch. 28. It shouldn't have made a difference that once KWBN was removed from analog service that "lifeline" subs with digital televisions receive QAM channels on the frequency.

If Oceanic did filter out KWBN for whatever reason, now that KWBN isn't there they should come to adjust his notch filter to allow the QAM channels to pass since they are local channels in a digital format that he already is paying for.

Hope this make it easier to understand what I am saying.

correct. they are filtering out channel 28 currently. (i checked it myself at the junction box and there indeed is an analog filter there, and bypassing that gives me the right channel). I had this problem with CBS prior to them moving it to 113.1. They moved it there after i had complained. Hopefully they will do the same this time with the 28...

What Oceanic calls "basic" cable is what most call "Lifeline" service.
What most call "Basic" cable, Oceanic calls "Standard" service.

"Lifeline" service give you just the local channels, TBS, Olelo and C-Span...Oceanic sells this service for $10 a month. When you subscribe to this service Oceanic install a notch filter on the cable line at your home to block out the standard service channels, they don't filter out the "channels" for digital service since even with "lifeline" Oceanic(as well as all cable companies) must make premium service available to all subs.
Since KWBN was a local channel, the notch filter should have been set to pass ch. 28. It shouldn't have made a difference that once KWBN was removed from analog service that "lifeline" subs with digital televisions receive QAM channels on the frequency.

If Oceanic did filter out KWBN for whatever reason, now that KWBN isn't there they should come to adjust his notch filter to allow the QAM channels to pass since they are local channels in a digital format that he already is paying for.

Hope this make it easier to understand what I am saying.

So they verified that it does overlap...here's the email i got.

Aloha!

The engineers did determine that the filter is causing the problem. The channels should be moved to another frequency sometime tomorrow. As soon as I have the new frequencies available I will let you know.

If you have any further questions, please feel free to e-mail us again or contact our Customer Care Department at 643-2100. When replying to this e-mail, please include this message as well as all previous correspondence regarding this issue.

Thank you for being an Oceanic Time Warner Cable Customer!

A couple new HD channels on the way....

My Tivo just told me that MAVTVHD (1221) and PRIMHD (1228) are going to be added to the lineup. Infact it already has the guide data. Sadly the channels are not up yet. The Tuning Adapter says that the channels are not available. I checked my SA8300HDC can the channels are not there yet either. I even used the automated system re-hit my devices to no avail. Oh well I guess I gotta wait to watch "Fitness Beauties"! :)

As part of the random channel remix, OTW has whimsically re-assigned their retransmission of the local OTA broadcasters because, well, they can. Oh, and they hate you. Ha ha ha.

Look at: http://www.oceanic.com/products/television/digital_cable/lineups-for-direct-digital-tv-or-tivo-hookups

It is effective 06/24/09 - yesterday. "Because we hate you."(tm)

The changes are: KGMB-HD is now 28.1, KFVE-HD is now 118.1, and KIKU is now 28.4. KWBN that used to be on NTSC channel 28 is now gone, gone, gone. But of course, it is all done for the benefit of the customers.

If I ever have my ethical glands removed, I know where I can get a job.

Today they moved KGMB-HD back to 116.1 and KIKU is at 116.4. Just like the changes had never happened. Except that that "effective date" is still 06/24/09 and KFVE-HD is still at 118.1. And channel 28 is still gone, gone, gone because it is now home to 7 encrypted digital SD channels 201 - 207. They modified the page "Wed 01 Jul 2009 02:57:38 PM HST" - at 3 AM this morning (yeah, it's right there in the metadata). But I am pretty sure that the channel translations changes did not happen this morning.

I'm sorry I was confused by OTW's misuse of industry and regulatory language. "Basic tier" has a specific meaning outside of OTW. And I can see how they would use a low-pass filter for the "basic tier" (pronounced "lifeline" by OTW). Obviously they didn't leave enough room for growth of the local and community service channels. Then when they get the hankering to monkey up the translations, they really step in it big time. I don't think they are this malicious - I think they are just this incompetent.

A couple new HD channels on the way....

My Tivo just told me that MAVTVHD (1221) and PRIMHD (1228) are going to be added to the lineup. Infact it already has the guide data. Sadly the channels are not up yet. The Tuning Adapter says that the channels are not available. I checked my SA8300HDC can the channels are not there yet either. I even used the automated system re-hit my devices to no avail. Oh well I guess I gotta wait to watch "Fitness Beauties"! :)

It's now up on OTW. HMAV (1221) and HFSPT (1228).

hey guys....i had a question about oceanic service.

my friend is ordering the UFC 100 fight this weekend. he has 1 HD box but 2 TVs. If i bring over my 8300HD box will I be able to hook it up to his second tv and get the fight? Or does he need to get his own box and register it under his name and address for it to work?

this is only for 1 day so i was just thinking it would be easier to bring mine then go through the trouble of renting a box from oceanic for 1 day/month.

Thanks!

hey guys....i had a question about oceanic service.

my friend is ordering the UFC 100 fight this weekend. he has 1 HD box but 2 TVs. If i bring over my 8300HD box will I be able to hook it up to his second tv and get the fight? Or does he need to get his own box and register it under his name and address for it to work?

this is only for 1 day so i was just thinking it would be easier to bring mine then go through the trouble of renting a box from oceanic for 1 day/month.

Thanks!

Wouldn't the PPV just be registered to his box? I don't think it'll work if you just plug in your box.

Thats what i was wondering, when u buy a ppv show does it go to a specific box IP, or any box registered to that address, or some other way?

My guess is that we'll need to pick up another box from oceanic for that one day.

But just wondering if anyone knows for sure or has tried this.

Maybe you can check the programming thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=34).

I don't suppose anyone knows if BBCA HD is coming to the islands?

Oceanic Time Warner
For about a month we have been getting signal drops on channel 1321 that would last for about 2 seconds and it would occur about 2 times per hour. We didnt bother to call OTW, thinking they would blame it on the "sun flares". Well, in the last 2 weeks we have lost all signal to channels 1005, 1224 and 1553; nothing but a black screen. All the other channels on my HD line up come in fine. I have not hooked up anything new or changed any settings. I called OTW, they had me reset my DVR, check all connections which did not help. So they will be sending a technician but it wont be for a week.
Any ideas?

Damn... MavTV (1221) is gone... Anyone know where it went or if it will be coming back? I was just starting to like that channel with all the racing and MMA. I still have the programming guide on the Tivo but thats about it. It is gone from the regular OTW DVR too! :(

I can't get to my tv right now but I know I saw it this morning and it was on a higher channel. High 1500's if I recall correctly.

Yea it's back... It moved to 1603. Also noticed prgramming data for 2 new channel listings; 1224 and 1225. Those would be UH Store on 1224 and K5/PPV on 1225. Is it safe to assume that those channels are there for UH Football in HD next season? I hope so! :p

Yea it's back... It moved to 1603. Also noticed prgramming data for 2 new channel listings; 1224 and 1225. Those would be UH Store on 1224 and K5/PPV on 1225. Is it safe to assume that those channels are there for UH Football in HD next season? I hope so! :p
http://www.starbulletin.com/sports/20090707_High-definition_nearing_for_UH.html

dish has BBCA but no HD

dish has BBCA but no HD

Yeah, OTW has it in SD too. Hoping for HD though :(.

Has anyone been able to receive NBC-W or NBC-E feeds in HD since the local NBC affiliate here in Honolulu does not broadcast in HD on Direct TV?

Anyone got your TV calibrated by BB here in Honolulu? I have a Pioneer Kuro Elite Pro-151 and made an appointment with BB to come and calibrate my TV after my break in period is finished. I was just wondering if anyone has experience with the BB calibrators and have any comments (good or bad) about your experience.

I'd like to know about the Best Buy service too. My Samsung LNT-5265F looks so washed out compared to my friend's Philips. I have a calibration disk, but hell if I know what to do with it.

Anyone got your TV calibrated by BB here in Honolulu? I have a Pioneer Kuro Elite Pro-151 and made an appointment with BB to come and calibrate my TV after my break in period is finished. I was just wondering if anyone has experience with the BB calibrators and have any comments (good or bad) about your experience.

I would check with them but I don't believe they can calibrate your ISF settings on your Kuro. They may only use some basic calibration disc. I've read on these forums (from actual BB employees) that they are on time restrictions when they are out in the field calibrating, so they won't be able to dedicate as much time for your set as someone a little more dedicated to the craft would.

Anyone got your TV calibrated by BB here in Honolulu? I have a Pioneer Kuro Elite Pro-151 and made an appointment with BB to come and calibrate my TV after my break in period is finished. I was just wondering if anyone has experience with the BB calibrators and have any comments (good or bad) about your experience.

ISF-trained dealers with calibration equipment in Hawaii.

http://www.imagingscience.com/isf-trained.cfm

I was going to call WDS Audio/Video and talk to Glen Watase on how much to calibrate my new Panny 1080p. However, after reading and participating in the 2 threads regarding my particular model, I decided to do it myself. Many knowledgeable contributors have said that for my model only Greyscale could be 'tweaked' via the Service and User Menu.

Used AVIRA and AVCHD to calibrate the Service and User Menu to get Greyscale as close as I could to D65. Then used the 'Blue Filter' to calibrate color/tint...looks great to me!

You have a Pio Elite. I would calibrate it too via Glen if the cost is acceptable. Someone on AVS who is an ISF certified calibrator has said that he knows Glen and that he is very competent.

Good luck,
Robert

P.S. If not Glen then call everyone on the list. Do your homework and ask the pertinent questions NOT just cost. Find the thread on your particular model in the "Plasma Flat Panel Displays" forum here on AVS. Ask questions in that thread.

Has anyone been able to receive NBC-W or NBC-E feeds in HD since the local NBC affiliate here in Honolulu does not broadcast in HD on Direct TV?

According to the latest Dish Uplink report - we should have KHNL/NBC up in HD on channel 5663.

"5663 - KHNL [MPEG4 HD] - EchoStar10 110W TP 23 Spotbeam 47 changed to Available (H)(Honolulu, HI-NBC)"

So that most likely means that KHNL's 2nd antenna is now up and running and you should be able to pull that station in via OTA using a QAM.

I have not verified this yet - will this evening.

Anyone else with OTW have been having signal breakup on 1006 and 1007 for the past few days?

Has anyone been able to receive NBC-W or NBC-E feeds in HD since the local NBC affiliate here in Honolulu does not broadcast in HD on Direct TV?

Verified KHNL/NBC HD is on Dish Network channel 5663, however a rescan on
QAM did not pull up any OTA channel for KHNL in HD (central Oahu).

Anyone got your TV calibrated by BB here in Honolulu? I have a Pioneer Kuro Elite Pro-151 and made an appointment with BB to come and calibrate my TV after my break in period is finished. I was just wondering if anyone has experience with the BB calibrators and have any comments (good or bad) about your experience.

The BB guy just left my house. BB calibration is a joke!!! The guy was at my house for half an hour did all the adjustments thru the remote and didn't even listen to my sound system which is supposed to be part of the service. I asked him about making the adjustments thru controlcal and he said the main ISF guy that trains them doesn't train them to use it and tells them to go thru the front menu only. BB sucks!!! I asked him if I can have a printout of the adjustments all he could do is write down the settings for me. This the settings he wrote down.

Picture Mode-- Standard
Contrast-------- 41
Brightness------ 6
Color------------ 1
Tint-------------- R3
Sharpness------- (-15)

What a joke!!!! my wife could have made those adjustments.

The BB guy just left my house. BB calibration is a joke!!! The guy was at my house for half an hour did all the adjustments thru the remote and didn't even listen to my sound system which is supposed to be part of the service. I asked him about making the adjustments thru controlcal and he said the main ISF guy that trains them doesn't train them to use it and tells them to go thru the front menu only. BB sucks!!! I asked him if I can have a printout of the adjustments all he could do is write down the settings for me. This the settings he wrote down.

Picture Mode-- Standard
Contrast-------- 41
Brightness------ 6
Color------------ 1
Tint-------------- R3
Sharpness------- (-15)

What a joke!!!! my wife could have made those adjustments.

Unfortunately that sounds like a common theme from BB. Robert suggested checking out Glen Watase or someone else from the ISF website. Looking at your settings, I wouldn't be using the Standard picture mode and the contrast seems a bit high but that's all personal preference. You should check out the Pioneer Kuro Settings/Issues Thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1053444) for some settings you can try out that may improve your PQ.

If BB sold you an "ISF" calibration, I'd contact ISF directly and let them know about your experience. I think they'd want to know since they have a reputation and image to protect.

If BB sold you an "ISF" calibration, I'd contact ISF directly and let them know about your experience. I think they'd want to know since they have a reputation and image to protect.
I am reasonably sure that the ISF got far enough in bed with BB that BB has the right to advertise ISF calibration. See Blackburn on BB calibration (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=16063993&postcount=21) for some discussion.

Sad but probably true. I felt that I got close enough with playing with my own settings and using the settings that were posted for my plasma here at AVS to not have to spring for the full ISF calibration but if I was going to go there, I would certainly have called Glen instead of relying on BB.

I've tried contacting Glen twice via his listed email with no response. The options available locally are very slim.

Hi,

Pixelation/tiling when receiving QAM digital channels (HD or SD) continues to get worse for me. Some channels are worse than others. Some times (evenings) seem to be worse than others.

I have a Sharp Aquos costco special :) and I have had it for about 8 months now. Could it be:

1. OTW playing "tricks" on us QAM users again??
2. A problem with my TV
3. Getting japped by some interference from somewhere (through the cable, through the electric line)?

One other strange symptom, I actually receive the QAM channels on channel numbers slightly different than those listed by OTW on their QAM channel webpage.

For example I get PBS on 120.1 not 120.12. I get nothing on 120.12. I get CBS (KGMB) on 116.11 not 116.1.

Does anybody have a clue as to what is going on? Sometimes the pixelation is faint, and other times nearly the whole picture is obliterated before it settles down once again.

Thanks for your advice! I would really appreciate it!

Verified KHNL/NBC HD is on Dish Network channel 5663, however a rescan on
QAM did not pull up any OTA channel for KHNL in HD (central Oahu).

Now that KHNL has the new antenna up, shouldn't DirecTV now be able to get the HD signal at their facility?

We're still getting it in SD format.

Now that KHNL has the new antenna up, shouldn't DirecTV now be able to get the HD signal at their facility?

We're still getting it in SD format.

I had mentioned "most likely", however after verification KHNL never showed
up on a QAM scan (as I mentioned)... It would appear that their new
antenna is...

1) Not operational yet
2) Not on the same tower as KHET (11.1) as previously stated by KHNL in
2008
3) A very directional antenna, with no coverage toward central Oahu

YMMV (as I'm using an oven rack on the roof) - however I should have
gotten something on a QAM scan, if KHNL were the reason for the new Dish
Network KHNL HD add. I suspect that Dish may have modified their POP
location/direction or resolved the initial issues they had with KHNL back in
2007.

I had mentioned "most likely", however after verification KHNL never showed
up on a QAM scan (as I mentioned)... It would appear that their new
antenna is...

1) Not operational yet
2) Not on the same tower as KHET (11.1) as previously stated by KHNL in
2008
3) A very directional antenna, with no coverage toward central Oahu

YMMV (as I'm using an oven rack on the roof) - however I should have
gotten something on a QAM scan, if KHNL were the reason for the new Dish
Network KHNL HD add. I suspect that Dish may have modified their POP
location/direction or resolved the initial issues they had with KHNL back in
2007.



Gotcha, thanks. I thought I had read that both Dish and DirecTV's collection facility were in the same location, but I might be wrong. And I guess I got my hopes up thinking if Dish was able to now get the HD signal, DirecTV should be able to also. I'm on the Big Island, so no OTA for me. :)

Gotcha, thanks. I thought I had read that both Dish and DirecTV's collection facility were in the same location, but I might be wrong. And I guess I got my hopes up thinking if Dish was able to now get the HD signal, DirecTV should be able to also. I'm on the Big Island, so no OTA for me. :)

I just sent you a PM.

Is anybody else noticing extremely long video dropouts, dead air, audio dropouts, and even only station ID from KHON Fox & their affiliate The CW? It's been going on for days. Mainly on The CW - I may even be thinking KHON only because they put up their call sign on The CW during extended dropouts. Has anyone bothered to call? I see these artifacts on OTW, but I'm guessing that OTA is affected too. I've stopped watching because their program stream is unwatchable. Does anybody have any insight on this? I just called but I only got voice mail for engineering.

OK, I talked to the engineer and they are moving, reorganizing, and updating equipment. Unfortunately, they are doing it live, which is causing no end of video and encoder problems. It appears that they are awaiting some mainland technical support that will be in later this week, so this condition will persist for a while.

The CW feed they are getting is SD, so there is no chance of getting The CW in HD on OTW any time soon. Well, that and OTW seems to have little regard for the local affiliates (as well as their customers). But we already knew that.

Got this announcement in the mail today. http://www.oceanic.com/products/television/hdtv/notice Makes me seriously consider dropping my HD Entertainment Pak since so many of my favorite HD channels will be moving to Standard TV Service.

Got this announcement in the mail today. http://www.oceanic.com/products/television/hdtv/notice Makes me seriously consider dropping my HD Entertainment Pak since so many of my favorite HD channels will be moving to Standard TV Service.

Got me worried for a second. I have all the Standard and Digital services so it will not affect me.

Coming soon:

Cartoon
Headline News
Jewelry
Outdoor

Not interested! Even Turner Classic Movies is something I probably will not watch.

I'm subscribing to the Entertainment Pak primarily for ESPN and maybe a couple of others. If these many HD channels move to standard then the only channel that I'll miss after dropping the subscription will be the Golf Channel.

I really like SyFy. The Universal and MGM stations have some good stuff too... sometimes. It is cool to see some of those HD channels freed up though.

My understanding that KHNL-HD signal to the DISH headend located downtown at 1132 Bishop Street has improved greatly and that DISH has been able to get a good signal. I have talked to a Dish representative and the KHNL-HD signal has been verified that it is on their lineup.

As far as DirectTV.. DirectTV has mentioned to KHNL that Direct has no plans to put KHNL-HD on their lineup because they don't have the bandwidth to do this. (Techies.. does this make sense?)

The Downtown facility provides both DISH and DirectTV with the HD signal and transports it via fiber to Colorado. It is then up to Dish or Direct to put it on their channel lineup.

DirectTV has mentioned to KHNL that Direct has no plans to put KHNL-HD on their lineup because they don't have the bandwidth to do this. (Techies.. does this make sense?)
I think it makes sense, but I have no idea whether it is true. Since DirecTV has to keep some bandwidth in reserve in case one of their satellites breaks, there is probably no definite hardware determined number which would tell us what their current bandwidth capacity is. In case it really is a bandwidth limit that keeps us from getting KHNL on D*, I guess the next time we can hope for a change is the end of January, when the newest D* satellite is expected to come on line.

I just switched my mom from oceanic cable to Antenna with a converter box. We get all the good channels except for channel 13. It comes in but cuts out all the time. I have my two antenna prongs pointed sort of horizontally.. I live in upper makakilo.. oh also we don't have channel 5(kfve) at all.. is this about what I should expect or should I try to tune the antenna more?

I've not been able to get KHNL/KVFE from their digital transmitter antenna, because it is pointed towards downtown with a narrow-beam antenna radiation pattern. You might have a good line of sight to the xmit antenna but still will probably need good antenna gain with an rf amplifier.

scott s.
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I have basic cable from Oceanic and here are pictures of what I am having problems with. This only happens for KGMB(116-1) and KITV(114-2) I also run into audio hiccups as well.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/kaizokukage/asdf.png

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/kaizokukage/asdf2.png

KHNL(83-3) and KHON(46-3) is fine. If this is a signal problem would an amplifier help in this case?

Well, if those things don't appear in other sources then it's gotta be a source issue. Not sure an amplifier would eliminate cable artifacts.

Well, if those things don't appear in other sources then it's gotta be a source issue. Not sure an amplifier would eliminate cable artifacts.

Thanks for the reply. Is there anything I can do at my end to fix this problem or should I call Oceanic and have them check it out. The channels just got worse. The problems only occur for KGMB and KITV. All pics were taken today so I don't know how come there is so much distortion all of a sudden on these channels.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/kaizokukage/asdf3.png

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/kaizokukage/asdf4.png

The current setup I have at home is at the source of the cable is a 3-way splitter -7dB(television), -7dB(televisoin), -3.5dB(4-way bidirectional splitter) and the 4-way(television), (television), and (cable modem).

I would get an amplifier. I have two external tuner units (silicondust, for 4 tuner inputs) and it tells me signal strength. The signal strength was around 65% initially. After getting an amplifier ($30 on ebay, 1 in to 4 out) the signal strength got boosted to around 95%. My setup is a single splitter then one output from the splitter to my amplifier and the other to a TV in my room, for 5 total outputs. No artifacts or problems now...this is just my experience.

I would get an amplifier. I have two external tuner units (silicondust, for 4 tuner inputs) and it tells me signal strength. The signal strength was around 65% initially. After getting an amplifier ($30 on ebay, 1 in to 4 out) the signal strength got boosted to around 95%. My setup is a single splitter then one output from the splitter to my amplifier and the other to a TV in my room, for 5 total outputs. No artifacts or problems now...this is just my experience.

Thanks for the reply. Where do you think I should place the amplifier?

thanks for the help colin59 and madman808. I just put a amplifier at the end of the cable going into the tv and from there back into the tv and I get 5 bars of signal now for KGMB, KITV, and K5. Prior to the amplifier I wasn't even catching K5 at all.

hi!

I am so glad you posted those pictures. I have/had been living with increasingly poor pictures also on KITV (114.2) and KGMB (116.1) which, over a few months had become so pixelated that I really could not watch them at all.

I called Oceanic, they gave me the usual 'bs' about not being responsible for direct digital connections (using the QAM tuner in our sets) and I said this was hogwash and that the FCC required them to support "direct digital". Well, after a bit of squabbling, they agreed to send a repair man (2 weeks later!) Well he finally arrived last week. One hour before he was to arrive, the pixelation "mysteriously" and "magically" disappeared, and now my reception of all digital channels, including KITV-HD and KGMB-HD and KHET-HD are spectacular -- no pixelation and no audio stuttering at all.

So my advice is to get Oceanic out there. Whatever "magic" they did, it worked for me. And now I am happy. I am paying for BASIC cable service ($10/mo) through my H.O. association, and not a penny more! and yet I am getting really good HD on the channels I want to watch.

Please stay in touch!
Aloha, Marc

PS I had tried an amp, but to no avail.
PS2 One thing the OTW service person said was interesting "if your analog channels are coming through clearly, then it is likely not a signal strength issue on the cable"

Which amp did you put inline to the cable? When you remove the amp, does it go back to the old nasty pixelated mess??

Anyone else having major artifacts and lag on VersusHD (ch. 1210) . Trying to watch the BYU-FSU game and having to watch on Standard Versus (ch. 210) station...

This is on Oceanic...

HD picture is fine after a few minutes of watching.

Is there anything I can do at my end to fix this problem or should I call Oceanic and have them check it out.
Back when I had Oceanic (now I'm DirecTV) I had a similar appearing problem, which I thought couldn't be a hardware problem, since it was so specific --- just one or two of the Encore channels. Nonetheless, I got desperate enough to call Oceanic, and the CSR seemd to think a service call might be worthwhile. So I agreed to have someone come out, and by golly, the technician replaced some of my cabling, and he fixed it. So I suggest calling Oceanic to have them check it out.

OK need some help/info. Picked up a Panny 720p Plasma tv ($599) for my Mom. We have Oceanic Cable. I have a HD DVR in my room. I told her we should get a digital cable box and hook it up to her Panny. But she hates using a cable box. She just wants to run the coxial xable from the wall to her TV. So I did that then did a search for antenna/cable channels. I got about 79 analog channels and some digital channels the one listed below. How do I go about getting the HD channels listed below. Do I need a indoor antenna and if so which brand or model is the best? Thanks for any info/help that can be provided.

HD:
83-3 KHNL(NBC)
85-3 KHON(FOX)
113-1 KGMB(CBS)
114-2 KITV(ABC)
120-12 KHET(PBS)

SD:
85-4 KHON-CW
106-3 KIKU
106-5 KBFD
106-8 KBS America
115-3 PBS Kids
117-5 KFVE
117-6 KITV
117-7 KGMB
117-8 KHNL
117-10 KHET

If you've already got cable, then you should be able to tune in the network HD feeds with your QAM tuner in the TV. You shouldn't need an external antenna. Just tune in the HD channel with your remote. The kicker, of course, is that Oceanic has a tendency to arbitrarily change the QAM channels now and then. If you lose the channel, you may need to rescan to find it again.

If you've already got cable, then you should be able to tune in the network HD feeds with your QAM tuner in the TV. You shouldn't need an external antenna. Just tune in the HD channel with your remote. The kicker, of course, is that Oceanic has a tendency to arbitrarily change the QAM channels now and then. If you lose the channel, you may need to rescan to find it again.

Thanks for the info. She can only get the channels listed below. Even my Sammy LCD can only get 2 of those 3 hd-channels. I usually get the message "scrambled channel or weak signal". Of course like I said I have a HD DVR from Oceanic.

HD:
83-3 KHNL(NBC)
114-2 KITV(ABC)
120-12 KHET(PBS)

SD:
117-3 KHON-CW
117-5 KFVE
117-6 KITV
117-7 KGMB
117-8 KHNL
117-10 KHET

If those are all the channels you're getting, you've probably got a weak signal. You might want to try a signal amplifier on the coax line to see if it helps boost the signal.

If those are all the channels you're getting, you've probably got a weak signal. You might want to try a signal amplifier on the coax line to see if it helps boost the signal.

Okay will check on getting a amplifer. She is really bummed she can't get the KGMB HD channel. That is the channel with most of the shows she watches. Thanks again.

Oceanic QAM Ch

http://www.oceanic.com/products/television/digital_cable/lineups-for-direct-digital-tv-or-tivo-hookups

Mike

Can i Bring my HD Cable Box from home to work to watch the game on wednesday on ESPN2HD?

Woo-Hoo... More HD! I like the ToonHD (Yay Adult Swim) as well as the Headline News HD. TCMHD and OutdoorHD not so much! :)

Does anyone know the numbering for the new qam stations? I know it supposed to be turned on today.

Oceanic RIP OFF !

I called Oceanic tonight. Where are those "free" HD channels? NO WHERE!
Having "basic cable" it will cost me $50 + a month. to get those so called "FREE" channels. I was told I would have to get a HD converter box too.

I'm in Waimalu with a Sony 46" V4100, and I can get all of the HD QAM channels listed on the Oceanic page, except for KHON HD (46.3).

I can tune 46.3, but it is audio-only (with KHON's audio). Does anyone else have this problem?

Oceanic RIP OFF !

I called Oceanic tonight. Where are those "free" HD channels? NO WHERE!
Having "basic cable" it will cost me $50 + a month. to get those so called "FREE" channels. I was told I would have to get a HD converter box too.

Seriously? I can't believe they would advertise for free then require a box. I am so done with them. Have respect for people and don't be deceptive. It is cruel.

I was watching the new season of Curb Your Enthusiasm (2nd episode) and there's a scene where his new wife is using the DVR. It said time warner cable on the screen but the interface was much nicer than what Oceanic is using. One obvious difference was that it was widescreen, and fit the whole panel of the tv. Does anyone know what this is and if we're suppose to be getting it in the future? I'm getting kind of sick of whatever oceanic uses. For some reason now i only can get show descriptions for 2 or 3 days max ahead of time instead of a week that I'm pretty sure i use to get before.

One obvious difference was that it was widescreen, ... now i only can get show descriptions for 2 or 3 days max ahead of time instead of a week ...
It did used to be a week. It's two weeks on DirecTV, which also has a widescreen interface.

Oceanic RIP OFF !

I called Oceanic tonight. Where are those "free" HD channels? NO WHERE!
Having "basic cable" it will cost me $50 + a month. to get those so called "FREE" channels. I was told I would have to get a HD converter box too.Just got off the phone myself and was shocked at the BS Oceanic is shoveling. I was told that as mentioned above that even though the letter I received stated that "The following HD networks will be available at no additional charge to Standard TV Service subscribers" that a HD cable box is still required.

I asked them why and to define Standard TV Service and they said Standard TV Service is a direct cable connection from the wall to the TV and does not require a cable box, but then went on to say that a HD cable box is still needed to receive HD signals because "no TV made today has the capability to receive and decode HD signals". WTF?!?!?!?

I asked to speak with a supervisor for clarification as this person obviously had no idea what they were talking about. The supervisor admited that even though the letter stated the above, which I quoted to him, that to receive HD channels through Standard TV Service still required a HD cable box.

I asked him why as I'm already receiving the network HD channels through the QAM tuner in my TV, what's to prevent me from receiving the additional HD channels listed in their letter? He said that the other channels are being sent from the mainland and require a box to decode. More BS!

At this point I'm going in circles and told him that Oceanic shouldn't be lying to their customers by sending out letters stating one thing and then not delivering, along with giving out completely false information regarding modern HD televisions. He said he would take it up with management and training at the next meeting. I just had to laugh. Next time warn me so I can lube up before I get bent over... :rolleyes:

Just curious, what were the "free" HD networks they were advertising?

yawny - you should report it to the State. And maybe call a couple of the news stations and see if they'd be interested in doing a story. Who knows, maybe that would get Oceanic to do the right thing for once!!

From the Oceanic website:

"October 5, 2009

From time to time we make certain changes in the services that we offer in order to better serve our customers. The following changes are planned:

Within the next 30-45 days Telemundo and Mun/2 will be added to the Digital Spanish Tier. MSNBC HD will be added to the HD Entertainment Tier, MLB HD, Disney XD HD and Speed HD will be added to the Digital Variety Tier and Fox News HD and ABC Family HD will be added to the Value/Standard tier.

The new service listed below cannot be accessed on Cable CARD-equipped Unidirectional Digital Cable Products purchased at retail without additional 2-way capable equipment:

Telemundo, Mun/2, MSNBC HD, MLB HD, Disney XD HD, Speed HD, Fox News HD and ABC Family HD. "

Just curious, what were the "free" HD networks they were advertising?A direct quote from the channel line-up card sent along with the letter received on Sept 1, 2009. "The following HD networks will be available at no additional charge to Standard TV Service subscribers (underlined on the card) on October 1st, 2009."

Animal Planet HD
A&E HD
Discovery Channel HD
Disney HD
ESPN HD
ESPN2 HD
ESPNEWS HD
Food Network HD
FSN West HD
FX HD
Home & Garden HD
History HD
Lifetime Movie Network HD
National Geographic HD
TLC HD

And even though Oceanic claims that as a Standard TV Service customer I don't need any form of cable box (http://www.oceanic.com/products/television/basic_cable/pricing), I still need an HD box to receive these "free" HD channels because Oceanic says that "no TV has the capability to receive and decode HD signals", even though I'm already able to receive all the HD channels Oceanic lists on their HD channel line-ups for Direct Digital TV hookups on their website here http://www.oceanic.com/products/television/digital_cable/lineups-for-direct-digital-tv-or-tivo-hookups. I must have a magic TV... :rolleyes:

Did you guys really think Oceanic was going to give HD channels for FREE? Why should they? They're here to make money not give freebies. It's like those people selling timeshares: you get free this and free that but you have to pay big bucks first.
That's how they're trying to make everyone switch to the digital package. Yes, you can have free HD channels BUT you will need a new converter + new package + why not add this service for a very low low price too. So in the end, sure you get the "free" HD channels but your Oceanic bill has gone way up.

Just my 2 cents.

Yeah, while I agree they probably shouldn't have used the term "Standard TV Service", I definately would have been suspicious about receiving all those national HD channels without a set top box. The channel lineup on the website seems to indicate that only the local network HD channels can be received without a box.

Did you guys really think Oceanic was going to give HD channels for FREE? Why should they? They're here to make money not give freebies. It's like those people selling timeshares: you get free this and free that but you have to pay big bucks first.
That's how they're trying to make everyone switch to the digital package. Yes, you can have free HD channels BUT you will need a new converter + new package + why not add this service for a very low low price too. So in the end, sure you get the "free" HD channels but your Oceanic bill has gone way up.

Just my 2 cents.But they do give HD for free with regards to the Network stations. Why not give us a few extra (as stated in their letter) as a tease into subcribing to the HD Entertainment Pak, and then a DVR etc. That's why I called to clarify the situation. And then they blatenly lied by saying the reason I couldn't receive those channels without an HD box was because "no TV made can decode HD signals." By the way, I work in the timeshare industry for a major company and we give hundreds of dollars in gifts away every day with absolutely no obligation to "pay the big bucks first." It works very well if you have a good product and don't offer something and then take it away, and then lie about why it was taken away.Yeah, while I agree they probably shouldn't have used the term "Standard TV Service", I definately would have been suspicious about receiving all those national HD channels without a set top box. The channel lineup on the website seems to indicate that only the local network HD channels can be received without a box.Yes, using the term "Standard TV Service" was very misleading, or it could have been better explained/described. But as I mentioned above, why not offer a few extra HD channels for free as an inducement to upgrade to the other HD packages that offer twice as many HD channels. In this economy many business are offering more for less to attract new and keep current customers. Problem is Oceanic has no other cable TV competition so they can do anything they want. Anyway, I'm done ranting. I now return you to the regular forum discussion... :D

And then they blatenly lied by saying the reason I couldn't receive those channels without an HD box was because "no TV made can decode HD signals."
I doubt there was any deliberate falsehood. The HD signals in question are presumably encrypted in a way an unaided TV cannot in fact decode, to prevent unauthorized viewing.

I doubt there was any deliberate falsehood. The HD signals in question are presumably encrypted in a way an unaided TV cannot in fact decode, to prevent unauthorized viewing.

Not to also mention that except for the HD locals all of Oceanic HD channels are subjected to SDV status, and currently no TV sets on the market are able to interface with a tuning adapter to "request" a SDV channel, even those with CableCARD slots.

Why is all these guys defending OC we pay so much and having them nickle and dime us to death. The so called encrypted channels were once free when they were first testing their HD channels. I remember food and HGTV were broadcast for free at the beginning. Also another deceiving tactic they use is having you sign up for digital cable to get your HD tv box. I had to go through 3 managers to remove the crap ass digital channels off my bill but still keep my HD package. If any operator tells you you need digital cable to get the HD package they don't know what they are talking about. If I didn't have so many tvs in my house I would look for an alternative. OC SUCKS!!!!!!

Why is all these guys defending OC we pay so much and having them nickle and dime us to death. The so called encrypted channels were once free when they were first testing their HD channels. I remember food and HGTV were broadcast for free at the beginning. Also another deceiving tactic they use is having you sign up for digital cable to get your HD tv box. I had to go through 3 managers to remove the crap ass digital channels off my bill but still keep my HD package. If any operator tells you you need digital cable to get the HD package they don't know what they are talking about. If I didn't have so many tvs in my house I would look for an alternative. OC SUCKS!!!!!!

So what is your setup? You have standard analog cable, but with an HD box? What channels are your "free" HD channels appearing?

I have a HD box but no digital channels like G4, Speed and others I can live without them because they are not in HD. I attached my bill so all can see and demand it form oceanic. I wish I did not have to pay for anything in analog or digital. I don't watch anything that is not in HD

Also another deceiving tactic they use is having you sign up for digital cable to get your HD tv box.
Do you know that all HD is digital?

I'm talking about digital SD channels vs digital HD channels are you sure you know the difference?

Does anyone know the numbering for the new qam stations? I know it supposed to be turned on today.

I don't know what is going on with Oceanic. When I hooked up my TV, I got KHON-HD (85.3), KGMB-HD (113.1), KHNL-HD (83.3), KITV-HD (114.2). However first, KHON-HD disappeared and then KGMB-HD disappeared. I have tried to input those new channel numbers they have listed, 46.1 and 116.1, but neither pops up with any signal, does anyone have any suggestions?

I don't know what is going on with Oceanic. When I hooked up my TV, I got KHON-HD (85.3), KGMB-HD (113.1), KHNL-HD (83.3), KITV-HD (114.2). However first, KHON-HD disappeared and then KGMB-HD disappeared. I have tried to input those new channel numbers they have listed, 46.1 and 116.1, but neither pops up with any signal, does anyone have any suggestions?

This is the free HD I'm getting on Maui

84-3 NBC
108-3 Fox
114-2 ABC
116-1 CBS
118-1 K5
120-12 PBS

Edit - I got it back, Looks like its back to normal

Last night when I tuned into Versus HD (1210) I got the notice that I was not authorized for the channel and needed to subscribe to it. I still got the SD versus (210). I subscribe to the HD pack and oceanic.com lists Versus HD as part of that pack. I've always had it till yesterday. I rebooted by cable box, but still got the same message. Anyone else have this issue?

From the Oceanic website:

"Within 30 days Product Info Network on Ch. 27 (Big Island and Maui) and Access TV on Ch. 157 statewide will be replaced by Revenue Frontier. The addition of MSNBC HD, MLB HD, Disney XD HD, Speed HD, Fox News HD and ABC Family HD is delayed December, 2009."

Keep trying. The QAM channels I get are not necessarily what OC says they are. For example, for some reason I get PBS at 120.1 not 120.12. Do a channel scan and probably you will find the exact right numbers for you!

Interesting a month or so ago my direct digital channels were FULL of tiling and drop outs. They got worse and worse. I tried everything, including trying several different signal amplifiers to no avail. I thought it was my set (Sharp). Finally out of desperation I called OC (love talking to them! yeah right!) and they said they couldn't do anything, that it was probably my TV. I said I planned to write to the FCC and complain , since there was no way for me to know if it was my set or my cable service. Almost immediately they scheduled a service call for two weeks later. Well about 15 minutes before the cable man was to arrive, the picture cleared up to be as crisp as one would hope. I really don't know what OC did... the cable guy said it was probably the feed from the stations (yeah right) ... I suspect they added an amp somewhere along the line, but anyway now my pic is fine.

From the Oceanic website:

"Within 30 days Product Info Network on Ch. 27 (Big Island and Maui) and Access TV on Ch. 157 statewide will be replaced by Revenue Frontier. The addition of MSNBC HD, MLB HD, Disney XD HD, Speed HD, Fox News HD and ABC Family HD is delayed December, 2009."

Of course. Of COURSE they would delay SpeedHD until the end of the year. And that would be after the final F1 race of the season.

Way to go, Oceanic. Thanks for promising Speed HD at the beginning of 2009 and then scratching that out before the start of the Formula One season.

Sorry everyone. Just a frustrated F1 fan venting out. Ho ho ho.

Today I noticed that the DISH Network listings show KFVE on channel 009-00 and KGMB on 005-00. This, then, shows the NFL game on Sunday morning 11/01 as being on 005-00 KGMB.
The listings on DirecTV, Titan, Zap2it, and TV Guide all show the game on KGMB-9, so can I safely assume this is a DISH screw-up?
Thanks for any clue,
--Michael

Did anyone notice the HD channels dropping out last night 10/25? I have 3 8300's and one of them showed all EEEE on the display? This morning I reboot it and all seems fine now? This was in the Mililani area?

On a side note the rr speeds have been nice lately. I guess because of the "boost" thing. I have a feeling it may be a tease then they will charge for this...

Thanks for showing the price you pay for bundle of services from Oceanic.

I have a HD box but no digital channels like G4, Speed and others I can live without them because they are not in HD. I attached my bill so all can see and demand it form oceanic. I wish I did not have to pay for anything in analog or digital. I don't watch anything that is not in HD

When I've called Oceanic, they always try to sell me some new service with "savings" if I buy some bundled services. I never see these bundle prices on their web page. For instance, there's no price listed for having cable + road runner, but when you call, they'll say, you can get both for some price...

Does anyone know if there is a list of the different bundles and the prices? Mahalo.

Does anyone know if there is a list of the different bundles and the prices? Mahalo.
http://www.timewarnercable.com/Hawaii/learn/bundles/default.html

Today I noticed that the DISH Network listings show KFVE on channel 009-00 and KGMB on 005-00. This, then, shows the NFL game on Sunday morning 11/01 as being on 005-00 KGMB.
The listings on DirecTV, Titan, Zap2it, and TV Guide all show the game on KGMB-9, so can I safely assume this is a DISH screw-up?
Thanks for any clue,
--Michael

Michael,

Last night at about 5PM, Directv had the Kfve channel showing programming that should have been on KGMB (9). Eventually they stopped uplinking those two channels. As of this morning I think it may be straightened out.

If they cannot get it right I will have to apply for a waiver to receive CBS in HD. The alleged HD feed of KFVE on Directv is merely stretch o vision SD.

I think it may have to do with the combining of facilitites in the News departments so that we can get the "official" version of the news..... <G>

KGMB and KFVE on Oahu swapped channels:

KGMB now broadcast as 5.1 on Oahu, KFVE now broadcast as 9.1...Oceanic swapped the channels back to the channels that they were but it appears Dish and Directv(who take the OTA feed) just swapped the call letters with the channel and creates confusion.

The alleged HD feed of KFVE on Directv is merely stretch o vision SD.
I don't think any HD for KFVE on DirecTV is alleged. I'm just seeing SD, at my house (I just now rechecked that). However, last summer I did see some stretched SD on KFVE and some other local channels. That appears to have been due to some weird error in the system software for my HR20-700 receiver that didn't affect my other H21-100 receiver. The oddity went away when I got a new version of the software at the end of the summer. I'm not saying this is what you're seeing, necessarily, but it seems possible.

I don't think any HD for KFVE on DirecTV is alleged. I'm just seeing SD, at my house (I just now rechecked that). However, last summer I did see some stretched SD on KFVE and some other local channels. That appears to have been due to some weird error in the system software for my HR20-700 receiver that didn't affect my other H21-100 receiver. The oddity went away when I got a new version of the software at the end of the summer. I'm not saying this is what you're seeing, necessarily, but it seems possible.

You are correct when you say I am seeing SD on KFVE. Of course the logo says HD, (once in a while) but it is clearly SD.

Now it seems that KGMB has SD broadcasts for their news. Not sure what their prognosis is for returning to HD.

Given the track record between Directv and KHNL, I do not expect much.

DISH guide has the NFL game back on 9 where it belongs.[s].

Fwiw, tonight I looked at 'Hawaii News Now' on DISH Ch. 5663/KHNL and 5671/KFVE and they were both in HD. "Community" is on 5663/KHNL right now and it is HD. I don't watch KFVE much, so I don't know if anything other than the news is in HD. TV says the HDMI sig. from the DISH DVR is 1080i, but the movie 'Bloodsport' is definitely SD.
DirecTV 5 and 13 news were both 480p (4:3) SD as is 'Community'.
The signal on DirecTV is delayed 1/2+ sec from Dish and over a second from OTA 13-1 here on Maui.
Hard to believe they both have their 'Local Collection Facilities' at Net Enterprise.
http://www.mstv.org/cablesat.php

--Michael

Now it seems that KGMB has SD broadcasts for their news. Not sure what their prognosis is for returning to HD.

Given the track record between Directv and KHNL, I do not expect much.

Really...
9 looks like it's back to HD for now at least.[sigh]

Really...
9 looks like it's back to HD for now at least.[sigh]

I saw that last night. You mentioned in the post before that one, that there is a delay on Direct over the delay on Dishnet. I wonder if it is the processor in the Directv receivers.

As you know I get many feeds directly from the mainland. I have set top boxes that can receive some, and use a computer to get others from the Big Dish. It gets interesting to see how much delay is created by processing the signal, and satellite uplink latency.

For example if I use the computer to receive NBC (west) and also use a set top box to receive the same signal, there is a noticeable delay on the computer feed due to software decoding some of the information.

My point here is that maybe some of the delay by Directv may be due to how their receivers process the signal.

Michael, one of these days we gotta get together for a few cold ones....

It seems like KGMB is now on the same OTA xmit antenna as KHNL, and now KFVE is on the old KGMB antenna. So I no longer get KGMB in Mililani. Does anyone know if this is the permanent "solution"? Trading KGMB for KFVE is pretty much a downgrade.

scott s.
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It seems like KGMB is now on the same OTA xmit antenna as KHNL, and now KFVE is on the old KGMB antenna. So I no longer get KGMB in Mililani. Does anyone know if this is the permanent "solution"? Trading KGMB for KFVE is pretty much a downgrade.

scott s.
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Downgrade is an understatement, imo.
This A.M., KGMV 9-1 on Maui is airing programming from KFVE, so no one using OTA can view the Florida/Georgia game, nor will they be able to view the Dolphins/Jets game tomorrow.
KFVE -was- broadcasting a weak analog signal on Ch.27, but I don't even see that now. It was useless anyway unless you lived in the canefield by the tower.
DirecTV and DISH both have CBS programming on KGMB 9, fwiw.

Time to send a donation to Media Council Hawaii.
http://mediacouncil.org/wp/
and file a complaint with the FCC, if you can figure out where to do *that*.[sigh]
Imo, it's time for these companies who run roughshod over their customers in order to satisfy their own greed, to get slapped around a little themselves.
[rant/off]

--Michael

I saw that last night. You mentioned in the post before that one, that there is a delay on Direct over the delay on Dishnet. I wonder if it is the processor in the Directv receivers.

My point here is that maybe some of the delay by Directv may be due to how their receivers process the signal.

Michael, one of these days we gotta get together for a few cold ones....

Really, Bob. You're the only guy I've 'known' for over two years and have no idea of what you look like.[s]

I'm unable to discern any delay or difference between DISH/DirecTV on, say, ESPN-HD...only the Off-Air stuff.
Later today I'm going to test some DirecTV receivers, so I'll have a chance to have both DISH and DirecTV running simutaneously on their own TV and be able to compare mo'bettah. I'll let you know.

--Michael...off to donate to http://mediacouncil.org/wp/

I'm unable to discern any delay or difference between DISH/DirecTV on, say, ESPN-HD...only the Off-Air stuff.
Later today I'm going to test some DirecTV receivers, so I'll have a chance to have both DISH and DirecTV running simutaneously on their own TV and be able to compare mo'bettah. I'll let you know.

--Michael...off to donate to http://mediacouncil.org/wp/

I have never seen the facility on Oahu, but can only guess that the difference between the delay times of Dish and Direct has to do with the encoders being used by each.

I was going to offer a comparison of the delay (if their is one) between the CBS National Distribution feed and our OTA signal, and then remembered that since the transition I have not received any OTA stuff. Oh well..

I will maybe pursue the OTA this summer. Replaced all of my Coax, and found rats had eaten much of it. Some of the coax was eaten to the center conductor and some was eaten all the way thru. Makes me wonder how i was getting any signals at all.

Take care....

Time to send a donation to Media Council Hawaii.
http://mediacouncil.org/wp/
and file a complaint with the FCC, if you can figure out where to do *that*.[sigh]
Imo, it's time for these companies who run roughshod over their customers in order to satisfy their own greed, to get slapped around a little themselves.


The 5 commissioners, the chief of the Media bureau and the chief of the Video services division, addresses below:

Julius Genachowski <Julius.genachowski@fcc.gov>,
Meredith Baker <Meredith.baker@fcc.gov>,
Michael Copps <Michael.Copps@fcc.gov>,
Mignon Clyburn <Mignon.clyburn@fcc.gov>,
Robert McDowell <robert.mcdowell@fcc.gov>,
William Lake <William.lake@fcc.gov>
Barbara Kreisman <barbara.kreisman@fcc.gov>,

I have never seen the facility on Oahu, but can only guess that the difference between the delay times of Dish and Direct has to do with the encoders being used by each.

I was going to offer a comparison of the delay (if their is one) between the CBS National Distribution feed and our OTA signal, and then remembered that since the transition I have not received any OTA stuff. Oh well..

I will maybe pursue the OTA this summer. Replaced all of my Coax, and found rats had eaten much of it. Some of the coax was eaten to the center conductor and some was eaten all the way thru. Makes me wonder how i was getting any signals at all.

Take care....
Really...the rats are a trip here for sure.

My comments about the facility, besides the delay difference, were also about the fact that DISH has KHNL and KFVE in HD and DirecTV doesn't. If they were at the same facility...?

If you decide to go after OTA again, don't forget that I have a 36 ft. telescoping push-up mast and my Olinda friend has a Winegard HD7698P and a Channel Master CM-7777...all used only once for testing.<g>

My comments about the facility, besides the delay difference, were also about the fact that DISH has KHNL and KFVE in HD and DirecTV doesn't.
As I interpret DirecTV's stated reason for not carrying KHNL and KFVE in HD, it's a problem with the current capacity of their satellites.

In order to reduce my costs, I downgraded by service to only their standard digital package. I formerly had the digital variety pak and HD entertainment pak and had them removed, saving me about $19 a month. However, when I dropped those services, the SDV channels that are supposed to be a part of the standard digital service also dropped off. Broadcast channels from 1003 to 1010 remained (non-SDV), but all others that I believe that I was supposed to get went black. The SDV channels that are supposed to be part of standard digital are listed below.

After various attempts to resolve the problem by re-pairing my cablecard and rebooting my Tivo and tuning adapter, the only solution to work was to reinstall the HD entertainment pak. That action restored all SDV channels. I'm writing a letter to Oceanic to request an explanation on why their standard digital package lists these channels when it also requires other add-on services.

1222 ESPN High Definition
1224 ESPN2 High Definition
1225 ESPN News High Definition
1226 Fox Sports West HD
1228 PrimeTicket HD
1248 Big Ten HD
1260 Local PPV Events HD
1321 Food Network High Definition
1323 Home & Garden Television High Definition
1325 Travel Channel HD
1327 The History Channel High Definition
1329 Animal Planet High Definition
1331 TLC High Definition
1332 HD Theater
1333 The Discovery Channel HD
1337 Science Channel HD
1339 Smithsonian Channel HD
1347 National Geographic Channel HD
1440 Cartoon Network HD
1444 Disney High Definition
1449 Lifetime Movie Network HD
1453 Hallmark Movie Channel HD
1454 Jewelry TV HD
1547 A&E High Definition
1551 TBS High Definition
1553 TNT HD
1554 FX HD

As I interpret DirecTV's stated reason for not carrying KHNL and KFVE in HD, it's a problem with the current capacity of their satellites.

Ahhh, so maybe next year when/if D12 goes up. Coulda' been later this year, but ILS took DirecTV's Proton to use on Eutalsat's W7 after Sea Launch declared bankruptcy.<damnit>

Really...the rats are a trip here for sure.

My comments about the facility, besides the delay difference, were also about the fact that DISH has KHNL and KFVE in HD and DirecTV doesn't. If they were at the same facility...?

If you decide to go after OTA again, don't forget that I have a 36 ft. telescoping push-up mast and my Olinda friend has a Winegard HD7698P and a Channel Master CM-7777...all used only once for testing.<g>


With regard to the Directv/Dishnet thing, I was sort of wondering the same thing with my comment about being in two separate places within the same building. If, in fact, it is a satellite capacity issue we will have to see what benefits D12 will have for us. I am not sure if I have heard of any spot beams reserved for Hawaii.

OTA>>> I do not have any signal meters that could show me what might be out back, so before I play with telescoping masts etc, I will go out with some coat hangers, a digital tuner, and a TV to see if there is any hint of a signal.

At this point it is mostly curiosity, I get everything I need in HD already, but I would just like to see if I can receive anything.

OTA>>> I do not have any signal meters that could show me what might be out back, so before I play with telescoping masts etc, I will go out with some coat hangers, a digital tuner, and a TV to see if there is any hint of a signal.

At this point it is mostly curiosity, I get everything I need in HD already, but I would just like to see if I can receive anything.

We're both signal junkies...we gotta' be able to get everything. I'd put up that 12' Paraclipse I have if I had room for it.<g>

All three of the Digital Converter boxes I've used didn't have the capability to 'Direct Enter' the Channel # or RF freq. They could only find a signal by 'scanning' and discovering it. Before I added the pre-amp, some would miss KHNL 13, which was the HD Channel we were both missing of course.

When you get ready to try for it, let me know and I'll loan you a box that is 'preloaded'.<s>

--Michael

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When you get ready to try for it, let me know and I'll loan you a box that is 'preloaded'.<s>

--Michael

I'll let you know. Right now everytime I think of going out there with all of my junk, I decide that the effort is too large so I just tune in a football game.

From the Oceanic website:

"Within 30 days Product Info Network on Ch. 27 (Big Island and Maui) and Access TV on Ch. 157 statewide will be replaced by Revenue Frontier. The addition of MSNBC HD, MLB HD, Disney XD HD, Speed HD, Fox News HD and ABC Family HD is delayed December, 2009."
Cool, MLB HD. Perfect timing, after the season's long over...:mad: Knuckleheads...

Anyone know of a technical contact at KGMB? I would like to get back their (CBS) HD broadcast, and maybe there is an estimate of when they may have their act together. I live in Waikele, and my tuner can't pick up signal for 9.1.

-Tom Armading

Just as an FYI for OTA viewers:

I managed to get OTA KGMB (5.1) and KHNL (13.1) in Mililani. The channels were not previously available.

Apparently KFVE was taken down yesterday; I thought it was a bad sign, but when I scanned my TV today, I suddenly discovered that I managed to gain that and BOTH KGMB and KHNL back.

I'm glad especially since I haven't had KHNL for months... so yeah, scan your TVs!

Just as an FYI for OTA viewers:

I managed to get OTA KGMB (5.1) and KHNL (13.1) in Mililani. The channels were not previously available.

Apparently KFVE was taken down yesterday; I thought it was a bad sign, but when I scanned my TV today, I suddenly discovered that I managed to gain that and BOTH KGMB and KHNL back.

I'm glad especially since I haven't had KHNL for months... so yeah, scan your TVs!

Not only do I also see KGMB and KHNL at those OTA Stations, but the Signal Strength is fantastic - With DISH OTA I'm seeing 100% from Central Oahu.

Thanks for the quick heads up!

Yup It's been 10 months I guess, but now I can get KHNL again. Though I guess everyone on that station has since been fired.

scott s.
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It seems possible now that DirecTV's next satellite, D12, will launch at the end of this year. A reference to a launch schedule (http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=1133.msg507681#msg507681) was posted on dbstalk.com.