Getting WNET-DT here in Nassau (28 miles from ESB) at about 68%. This is roughly the same signal strength as UPN and WB. The big four come in in the high 80s to low 90s.

I'm about 10 miles further out and I'm using the RS 15-1880 and I'm not getting it, in fact I not getting any new stations since I changed from the SS to this one. I saw a marked down Winegard 1000 (actually a rebadged Terk HDTV-S) and I know I'd be better off with the Winegard 2000 because of the amp. Anyone in this thread use a Winegard? What are your results with it?

Has anyone had luck picking up WNJN-DT in W. Suffolk County? My friend got it to come in without breakup Saturday night into Sunday morning. In the morning, it was all a mess again. Any reason for this? Are they "full-power"? WNYC-DT barely comes in, and I no longer get Telefutura OTA.

He's using one of my Voom STBs for OTA signals and a Wineguard SilverSensor antenna.

I get NJN from East Northport. I have an xg-91 uni-directional extreme range antenna from AntennasDirect. There are 5 sub-channels for NJN, under 50 (51 in some listings) on my TV. I deleted all but the HD sub (number 5). This sub-channel is transmitted from 8pm through at least 11pm (I have to get up for work). Very rarely, it breaks up. This channel is over 50 miles from me. The PQ is probably better than any other channel I get (all major channels from ESB). Joe

According to HD Guide, Giants game will be shown in HD 1080i this saturday. On the evr wrong Titan tv it is not listed in HD.. who should I believe? thanks .. a newbie

Yes, this game is in HD (according to the NBC ad I saw today).

No, I will not see it in HD because I live in Central NJ and Comcast gives us only Philly HD stations despite the fact that I'm only 50 miles from Giants Stadium. :(

Has WLIW increased their power output? I usually have trouble pulling it in at about 60-70 signal strength but the last few days I've gotten a solid signal in the 90s.

Not that I see, but then again WLIW is my most consistent station with almost no drops and high 80s to mid 90s SS. Can anyone recommend a good LI antenna installer?

Try LNL in Syosset, 516-681-7270. They carry the hardware and can hook you up with an installer.

Hey,

Just did a search and figured I'd throw this out there and see if anyone is still following this thread.... :rolleyes: :

A friend of mine has a plasma TV coming on Saturday for a home out in the North Sea area (off Noyack Rd???) and he JUST got a call from Cablevision (his provider) saying that they wouldn't be able to come out and give him the HD STB because they were "out of them". So now he's up the creek without a paddle....because he has a group of fellas coming out on Saturday/Sunday to watch the playoffs.

So my questions:

-Is he likely to get ANY OTA HD reception for FOX/ABC/CBS all the way out on the end of LI from either NYC or CT with a rooftop UHF antenna or even backyard deck level antenna? It's a pretty wooded lot

-Does ANYONE know if Cablevision has the local digital channels (2/4/5/7/9/11/13) unencrypted so at the least he can try a scan for locals with the TV's QAM tuner?

-Would Cablevision in another borough let him pick up a STB and bring it to his house on LI since the "local" office has told him they are out of them??

Thanks for any info.

Hey,

Just did a search and figured I'd throw this out there and see if anyone is still following this thread.... :rolleyes: :

A friend of mine has a plasma TV coming on Saturday for a home out in the North Sea area (off Noyack Rd???) and he JUST got a call from Cablevision (his provider) saying that they wouldn't be able to come out and give him the HD STB because they were "out of them". So now he's up the creek without a paddle....because he has a group of fellas coming out on Saturday/Sunday to watch the playoffs.

So my questions:

-Is he likely to get ANY OTA HD reception for FOX/ABC/CBS all the way out on the end of LI from either NYC or CT with a rooftop UHF antenna or even backyard deck level antenna? It's a pretty wooded lot

-Does ANYONE know if Cablevision has the local digital channels (2/4/5/7/9/11/13) unencrypted so at the least he can try a scan for locals with the TV's QAM tuner?

-Would Cablevision in another borough let him pick up a STB and bring it to his house on LI since the "local" office has told him they are out of them??

Thanks for any info.


The trees will have an impact on the signal strength, especially once they start to leaf out. But, it really depends on how close the trees are to the antenna. I have some very large trees directly in line with my signal, but they are about 200 feet away. The antenna is at ESB and I am in E Northport (maybe 35 miles?) I also get a nice signal from a station in Jersy (NJN) that is over 50 miles away. In addition, I have a directional antenna and get a signal from a station that is almost exactly opposite the ESB and it comes in. I would suspect that you would best be served by pointing to CT stations. Go to ANTENNAWEB.COM and it will give you direction for pointing.

I bought mine from AntennasDirect. They are very nice folks who know their products and are not expensive. I tried a TERK indoor antenna just for kicks and could get any decent signal.

I can't answer your questions about Cablevision as I only have DISH and OTA.

Good Luck :)

Hey,

Just did a search and figured I'd throw this out there and see if anyone is still following this thread.... :rolleyes: :

A friend of mine has a plasma TV coming on Saturday for a home out in the North Sea area (off Noyack Rd???) and he JUST got a call from Cablevision (his provider) saying that they wouldn't be able to come out and give him the HD STB because they were "out of them". So now he's up the creek without a paddle....because he has a group of fellas coming out on Saturday/Sunday to watch the playoffs.

So my questions:

-Is he likely to get ANY OTA HD reception for FOX/ABC/CBS all the way out on the end of LI from either NYC or CT with a rooftop UHF antenna or even backyard deck level antenna? It's a pretty wooded lot

-Does ANYONE know if Cablevision has the local digital channels (2/4/5/7/9/11/13) unencrypted so at the least he can try a scan for locals with the TV's QAM tuner?

-Would Cablevision in another borough let him pick up a STB and bring it to his house on LI since the "local" office has told him they are out of them??

Thanks for any info.


I saw your post on another thread and I thought you indicated your friend was going to drop by one of Cablevision's storefronts to pick up a box?

In any event, yes, Cablevision does not encrypt the locals so the TVs internal QAM tuner will be able to receive the channels. They are not on the channels you would expect so you'll have to tell the TV to auto scan all the channels, then just tune to the channel with the games. Sorry but offhand I can't remember the physical channels that the locals are being transmitted on but they are up there, like 70s, 80s, 90s and 100s.

I saw your post on another thread and I thought you indicated your friend was going to drop by one of Cablevision's storefronts to pick up a box?

In any event, yes, Cablevision does not encrypt the locals so the TVs internal QAM tuner will be able to receive the channels. They are not on the channels you would expect so you'll have to tell the TV to auto scan all the channels, then just tune to the channel with the games. Sorry but offhand I can't remember the physical channels that the locals are being transmitted on but they are up there, like 70s, 80s, 90s and 100s.

I actually put this post up before I searched for the Cablevision thread. I informed him of the unencrypted locals and that will be his "fallback" plan if the local office(s) he stops by don't have the box. I figured the channels would be in a different spot then their local assignment.

Thanks for the info.

The trees will have an impact on the signal strength, especially once they start to leaf out. But, it really depends on how close the trees are to the antenna. I have some very large trees directly in line with my signal, but they are about 200 feet away. The antenna is at ESB and I am in E Northport (maybe 35 miles?) I also get a nice signal from a station in Jersy (NJN) that is over 50 miles away. In addition, I have a directional antenna and get a signal from a station that is almost exactly opposite the ESB and it comes in. I would suspect that you would best be served by pointing to CT stations. Go to ANTENNAWEB.COM and it will give you direction for pointing.

I bought mine from AntennasDirect. They are very nice folks who know their products and are not expensive. I tried a TERK indoor antenna just for kicks and could get any decent signal.

I can't answer your questions about Cablevision as I only have DISH and OTA.

Good Luck :)

Oh trust me I'm aware of the impact of trees as I've dealt with them from where I am in Central NJ trying to pick up Philly (~55 miles) so I figured he'd have an issue from North Sea to Manhattan and the ESB.

Thanks for the reply.

Is anybody in central Suffolk able to receive wnet-dt? I can get all the other network
stations from the ESB, allthough NBC is a bit marginal with occasional drop-outs.
Thanks,

wb

Is anybody in central Suffolk able to receive wnet-dt? I can get all the other network
stations from the ESB, allthough NBC is a bit marginal with occasional drop-outs.
Thanks,

wb

Hi. I am in East Northport. I get WNET. But, it gets a lot of break ups and drops. I am guessing that it is a weak signal. Although, the PQ is amazing, like all other PBS stations. I wonder what it is about PQ on PBS being way better than anything the networks are transmitting, though they appear to be not as strong. I am using a directional antenna (xg-91) I got from AntennasDirect. The reason I was saying it might be a weaker signal (I have no way of knowing) is that I get NJN from much further away with fewer drops and break-ups. Joe

Hi. I am in East Northport. I get WNET. But, it gets a lot of break ups and drops. I am guessing that it is a weak signal. Although, the PQ is amazing, like all other PBS stations. I wonder what it is about PQ on PBS being way better than anything the networks are transmitting, though they appear to be not as strong. I am using a directional antenna (xg-91) I got from AntennasDirect. The reason I was saying it might be a weaker signal (I have no way of knowing) is that I get NJN from much further away with fewer drops and break-ups. Joe

Thanks for your reply, WNET runs only 12.6 KW, wereas WNJN runs 176 KW. That
accounts for the fact it comes in better. It is unfortunate that WNET is so low power.
As you point out, their program material is really of superior quality. I also have cable
but I find OTA in general to be a little better when we can get it.

wb

Are you sure about those numbers? I'm in central Nassau and I receive WNET perfectly but I can't get a sniff of WNJN.

Are you sure about those numbers? I'm in central Nassau and I receive WNET perfectly but I can't get a sniff of WNJN.

Well, the information was compiled from the FCC database 11/11/2005 were you can
find it at:
http://www.2150.com/broadcast/default.asp.

I would think that this information is pretty current. Also, when I run the signal checker, WNJN consistently
registers a stronger signal than WNET, neither one is watchable at present with my setup.

wb

Yeah, but that site still has ABC broadcasting from the Conde Noste building rather than the ESB and they moved over a year ago.

Did WNET suddenly go High Power??? For the first time ever , it is coming in like a ton of
bricks, totally solid without drop-out and as strong as all the other network stations.
Did anybody else notice?

wb

I noticed WNET is coming in also, (I fixed my Rotor today !)
"WPXQ - PAX 69" on DT ch.17


Could there be atmostpheric conditions tonight ?

I noticed WNET is coming in also, (I fixed my Rotor today !)
"WPXQ - PAX 69" on DT ch.17


Could there be atmostpheric conditions tonight ?

No, I think this is for real, they are still just as strong this morning, in fact
WNET is now one of the strongest station I am receiving. My antenna is fixed,
aimed at the ESB. The antenna is a junk box special, basically a corner reflector
Yagi of my own design, with a CM 7777 preamp.

wb

Still going strong tonight, so I think this is good news indeed for everybody
that has been waiting for a better signal from WNET-HD.

wb

I am in Centereach and have iO, but bought a little 25db amplified indoor antenna for 10 bucks (that I want to use for stereo reception), and I figured I'd hook it up to the TV to see if it gets me anything I don't get on iO.
Moving it around and re-scanning for channels each time I can get the Telefutura DT signal, WLIW-DT, and WLNY DT. And the clearest signal I get is actually the Connecticut WNBC signal, on 30-1 and their NBC Weather-Plus on 30-2. Antennaweb.org doesn't even say I should be able to get that one with the antenna I have.
Would I have any luck with a larger indoor antenna in getting more stations? One of those that are around 40 bucks? I'd like to get a UPN digital station, since Cablevision doesn't have that one. I can't put an antenna on the roof because I don't own the house I'm in, but I do have a small attic.

Was poking around some local stores today. Anyone in central Suffolk ever try the RCA ANT706A or Philips PHDTV3 Silver Sensor?

Was poking around some local stores today. Anyone in central Suffolk ever try the RCA ANT706A or Philips PHDTV3 Silver Sensor?

I think you are likely limited to what you can pick-up from across the Sound
and WLIW with an indoor antenna. If you are interested in shopping network channels there is Smithtown and Riverhead as well. I know nothing about the RCA 706A, but
the Silver Sensor has found some favor amongst indoor antenna users.
The problem is that WLIW and the Connecticut stations are in completely different
directions, so you may have to move your Silver Sensor.
Good luck,

wb

I really don't care about WLIW anyway, since they don't broadcast in HD anymore. For some reason I think it's kind of cool to get stations from another state. Playing around with the little antenna I have last night I was able to get the Connecticut UPN station, which was my main goal, but it's very weak, on the signal strength meter on my Samsung TV it's only 10 percent. With the antenna in the same place I pick up WVIT-DT at 40-50% and WLNY-DT at about the same. I guess I'll try a better indoor antenna and see what happens. Thanks.

I really don't care about WLIW anyway, since they don't broadcast in HD anymore. For some reason I think it's kind of cool to get stations from another state. Playing around with the little antenna I have last night I was able to get the Connecticut UPN station, which was my main goal, but it's very weak, on the signal strength meter on my Samsung TV it's only 10 percent. With the antenna in the same place I pick up WVIT-DT at 40-50% and WLNY-DT at about the same. I guess I'll try a better indoor antenna and see what happens. Thanks.

I would suggest that you put a small antenna in the attic and aim
it at CT. The Silversensor would probably work ok for this purpose, but
the DB-2 from Antennas Direct would be another option.

wb

I picked up the Philips Silver Sensor today from Walmart, so I can always take it back if I want to. It does get me a little stronger signal, I can get the UPN Connecticut station now without dropping out, about 50% strength, with the antenna on a plant stand a few feet from the TV. I tried it in the attic but I lost most stations up there, maybe because I had to add longer cabe to it?
For what it cost I could return it and get the DB-2 you mentioned. I see that it's an indoor/outdoor antenna. Would it yield better results if I put it out on my back porch (that faces north)? Or does it not matter with that type of an antenna. Also, Is it difficult to set one of those up? Or is it as simple as screwing a cable into it and mounting it? There are many trees around my house, in spring, when the leaves return, will that have an effect on my situation? Should I go for something bigger as far as an antenna?

Thanks in advance, I know there are a lot of questions in there!

i am looking for some input. I live in medford, which is about 60 miles out from nyc. I just installed a channel master 4248 yagi, that i got for free. I am also using a channel master spartan 3 3041 dsb preamp. my signals are as follows
cbs-99
nbc-65-70
fox-80
abc-88-90
upn-80-82
wb-65-70
wliw-90
wlny-92
my first question is why cant i get a signal for 13 HD? Also i am very pleased with my levels, but would like to get nbc a little higher. Would a stronger preamp help? Or should i just be happy with what i have now?(which i am, but if i could do better why not?) I know there are better antennas out there, but i dont want to change what i have. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks

just an update, i checked this morning, i can get a signal of 68 on 13, and 31 but they keep droping out. i know in the early am reception seems to be better.

i am looking for some input. I live in medford, which is about 60 miles out from nyc. I just installed a channel master 4248 yagi, that i got for free. I am also using a channel master spartan 3 3041 dsb preamp. my signals are as follows
cbs-99
nbc-65-70
fox-80
abc-88-90
upn-80-82
wb-65-70
wliw-90
wlny-92
my first question is why cant i get a signal for 13 HD? Also i am very pleased with my levels, but would like to get nbc a little higher. Would a stronger preamp help? Or should i just be happy with what i have now?(which i am, but if i could do better why not?) I know there are better antennas out there, but i dont want to change what i have. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks

I think you are about as good as it is going to get. 13HD on channel 61 is a
problem, because they presently transmit at very low power. The only improvment
you migt make is to get a Channel Master 7777 Titan preamp, which has a slightly
lower noisefigure. NBC is the weakest of the network stations at my location in
St. James also. If you want to go for the ultimate UHF antenna which might get
you WNET (13 HD) I would suggest the 91XG from Antennas Direct, which is
now also distributed by Solid Signal under the Terrestrial Digital brand.

wb

I picked up the Philips Silver Sensor today from Walmart, so I can always take it back if I want to. It does get me a little stronger signal, I can get the UPN Connecticut station now without dropping out, about 50% strength, with the antenna on a plant stand a few feet from the TV. I tried it in the attic but I lost most stations up there, maybe because I had to add longer cabe to it?
For what it cost I could return it and get the DB-2 you mentioned. I see that it's an indoor/outdoor antenna. Would it yield better results if I put it out on my back porch (that faces north)? Or does it not matter with that type of an antenna. Also, Is it difficult to set one of those up? Or is it as simple as screwing a cable into it and mounting it? There are many trees around my house, in spring, when theleaves return, will that have an effect on my situation? Should I go for something bigger as far as an antenna?

Thanks in advance, I know there are a lot of questions in there!

I would definetly suggest that you use the back porch for whatever antenna you
ultimatly decide to use. Outdoor is always preferable to indoor, less multipath
from reflections and you avoid the loss from building materials. If you decide to
use the porch I would suggest the DB-4, which is about twice the size of the
DB-2, has more gain and cost just about $20 more. Also, be sure to use RG-6
coax for the lead in, not RG59. While you are on the porch, try and get the
antenna up as high as possible.

The trees could give you problems when the leaves come out. A lot depends how
close and how tall they are.

The setup should be no problem, mount the antenna on a piece of 1" pipe
( I would suggest electrical conduit pipe, which I buy at Home Depot) just connect
the coax and aim the antenna in the general direction of the stations you want to
receive.

good luck,
wb

Well, I went and picked up a Channel Master 3021 4 bay bowtie antenna, that I've decided I'll probably mount it on the chimney. The directions aren't very explanatory. I have to purchase the chimney mounting kit. I'm assuming I need to mount the antenna on a section of mast and then attach that to the chimney with the mounting kit? How tall of a mast should I use? A few feet? Are there any detailed instructions online anywhere I could look at, with pictures?

Well, I went and picked up a Channel Master 3021 4 bay bowtie antenna, that I've decided I'll probably mount it on the chimney. The directions aren't very explanatory. I have to purchase the chimney mounting kit. I'm assuming I need to mount the antenna on a section of mast and then attach that to the chimney with the mounting kit? How tall of a mast should I use? A few feet? Are there any detailed instructions online anywhere I could look at, with pictures?

You will need a chimney mount kit, and a 1 1/4" mast. If you use electrical conduit
for the mast, it comes in 10 ft. lenght. If you have Hacksaw you can easily cut it to
any desired lenght if you find that 10 ft. is to high. That antenna has a fair
amount of wind resistance. A lot depends of course on how sturdy your chimney is.

Mount the antenna to the mast and the mast mounts to the chimney mount.
I would suggest you do a search for "Chimney Mount" on the HDTV Reception
Hardware forum, you should find some helpful info there.
wb

Although it will be a lititle distance for you , you can go to LNL in Syosset. They usually have all the ChannelMaster parts that you will need.

http://www.lnl.com/

Although it will be a lititle distance for you , you can go to LNL in Syosset. They usually have all the ChannelMaster parts that you will need.

http://www.lnl.com/
Or go to http://www.valuecomp.net/

Well, I went and picked up a Channel Master 3021 4 bay bowtie antenna, that I've decided I'll probably mount it on the chimney. The directions aren't very explanatory. I have to purchase the chimney mounting kit. I'm assuming I need to mount the antenna on a section of mast and then attach that to the chimney with the mounting kit? How tall of a mast should I use? A few feet? Are there any detailed instructions online anywhere I could look at, with pictures?
You can find a picture of the 3021 here: http://www.hdtvprimer.com/ANTENNAS/cm4221.html

OK, I picked up my mounting kit, today I'm going to get some mast. Which side of the antenna faces the signal? The side with the screen or the side with the x's? Also, the wire that leads to the house to connect to the TV connects to the antenna near the middle, to one of those transformers. Once connected, do I just leave it sort of dangling there? Does it matter if the cable runs down the front or the back? Which IS the front and back?

Thanks.

Unrelated, For the heck of it I e-mailed WLNY and asked them if they had any plans to broadcast any of their movies in HD. Here is their response:

"Thank you for your e-mail. It's always a pleasure to hear from our
viewers.

In response to your question, it will be several years before we
broadcast in high definition due to limited program material and
technical modifications needed.

Thanks for watching WLNY TV 55"

Does anyone know why channel 4 (WNBC) and channel 11 (WPIX) have such low signal strength? Are they not broadcasting their digital channels at full power?

OK, I picked up my mounting kit, today I'm going to get some mast. Which side of the antenna faces the signal? The side with the screen or the side with the x's? Also, the wire that leads to the house to connect to the TV connects to the antenna near the middle, to one of those transformers. Once connected, do I just leave it sort of dangling there? Does it matter if the cable runs down the front or the back? Which IS the front and back?

Thanks.

Unrelated, For the heck of it I e-mailed WLNY and asked them if they had any plans to broadcast any of their movies in HD. Here is their response:

"Thank you for your e-mail. It's always a pleasure to hear from our
viewers.

In response to your question, it will be several years before we
broadcast in high definition due to limited program material and
technical modifications needed.

Thanks for watching WLNY TV 55"

The side with the "x's" is the front.

As for the cable, I like to zip tie it to the mast, doesn't matter whether you run it down the front or the back of the mast since the mast itself is behind the antenna.

You can pick up mast at Loews or Radioshack, I think...I got mine at Lowes a couple of years back.

[QUOTE=Stoney Jackson]OK, I picked up my mounting kit, today I'm going to get some mast. Which side of the antenna faces the signal? The side with the screen or the side with the x's? Also, the wire that leads to the house to connect to the TV connects to the antenna near the middle, to one of those transformers. Once connected, do I just leave it sort of dangling there? Does it matter if the cable runs down the front or the back? Which IS the front and back?

Thanks.

The X's have to face the signal and that is the front of the antenna. The screen is
the reflector in back of the X's which acts like a mirror for the TV signals, reflecting
any signal energy into the X's, which are the actual antenna elements. The lead-in
cable should be dressed behind the sreen and tied to the mast with some cable ties.

wb

Does anyone know why channel 4 (WNBC) and channel 11 (WPIX) have such low signal strength? Are they not broadcasting their digital channels at full power?

I believe it is a function of antenna gain. WNBC is the lowest and WPIX the second
lowest channel of the UHF stations transmitting from the ESB. Most UHF antennas,
particularly Yagi's, tend to have most gain near channel 60. I don't know your set-up,
I have a corner reflector Yagi and a Fusion Lite tuner card. The channels steadily
increase in signal strenght from NBC (channel 28) to CBS (channel 56) with CBS being
the strongest of all the full power stations transmitting from the ESB.

wb

Thanks for the answer. I'm going to add a preamp to see if that will help me get WNBCDT and WPIXDT. I've given up hope of getting PBS because analog channel 61 from Connecticut seems to override the ATSC signal coming from NY.

Thanks for the answer. I'm going to add a preamp to see if that will help me get WNBCDT and WPIXDT. I've given up hope of getting PBS because analog channel 61 from Connecticut seems to override the ATSC signal coming from NY.
I am puzzled by your comment that you are getting interference on ch. 61 from
a station in CT. That would be WTIC-TV in Hartford which is is at 31 degrees whereas
The ESB is at 270 degrees. What kind of antenna are you using, you should not get
interference from there, specially since the distance to Hartford is twice the distance
to the ESB. Before you buy an amplifier, you may want to improve your antenna
system. You are only about 35 miles from the ESB, so unless you have some major
obstructions in the line of sight, you should not need an amplifier.

wb

I'm using a combo VHF/UHF chimney-mounted antenna that's been on the house for about 20 years. I receive all the analog NYC channels, and digital signals from the NYC CBS, FOX, ABC, and UPN stations. The signal levels for NYC NBC, WB, and PBS are too low to pick upon my HD equipment.

I get analog channels 8, 20, and 61 from CT although they're a little grainy. I'm no electronics expert so perhaps I misspoke when I said WTIC interfered with the WNET digital signal. All I know is I receive WTIC on channel 61, and neither the ATSC tuner in my DirecTV HD Tivo nor my Sony HDTV detect any digital signal on that frequency.

I'm using the guys at Variety Television (recommended by LNL) to help me, and they're installing a preamp and refining the aim of the antenna on Monday. They examined the antenna last week, and concluded that was the best approach.

Of course, 20 years ago I assume the antenna was pointed to the WTC where I think the transmitters were located. It's never been repointed because we used cable and satellite for the past 20 years, and I didn't care until I got HD. I don't know if refining the aim towards the ESB from the southern tip of Manhattan will make any significant difference when I'm 35 miles away.

If you've got any ideas or suggestions, I'd be glad to hear them.

I'm using a combo VHF/UHF chimney-mounted antenna that's been on the house for about 20 years. I receive all the analog NYC channels, and digital signals from the NYC CBS, FOX, ABC, and UPN stations. The signal levels for NYC NBC, WB, and PBS are too low to pick upon my HD equipment.

I get analog channels 8, 20, and 61 from CT although they're a little grainy. I'm no electronics expert so perhaps I misspoke when I said WTIC interfered with the WNET digital signal. All I know is I receive WTIC on channel 61, and neither the ATSC tuner in my DirecTV HD Tivo nor my Sony HDTV detect any digital signal on that frequency.

I'm using the guys at Variety Television (recommended by LNL) to help me, and they're installing a preamp and refining the aim of the antenna on Monday. They examined the antenna last week, and concluded that was the best approach.

Of course, 20 years ago I assume the antenna was pointed to the WTC where I think the transmitters were located. It's never been repointed because we used cable and satellite for the past 20 years, and I didn't care until I got HD. I don't know if refining the aim towards the ESB from the southern tip of Manhattan will make any significant difference when I'm 35 miles away.

If you've got any ideas or suggestions, I'd be glad to hear them.

Well, I guess it depends on how serious you are about receiving WNET on 61.
Also, whether the amplifier will fix your problem with NBC and WB remains to be
seen.

My recommendation would be to get a medium range UHF only antenna for
your HDTV channels and use your current combo for VHF only, if you want to keep
it. Combo antennas as a general rule are very mediocre performers on UHF,
specially the ones designed 20+ years ago, when UHF was considered an after
thought. The fact that you are getting interference from the analog station in
Hartford tells me your current antenna has very little gain and directivity on UHF.
Re-aiming the antenna may help a little bit but don't expect any miracles.

wb

Here in zip 11725 for the folks. I can although not with a strong signal get all the NYC stations except NBC with the DB4 with an RCA 25dB amp to show up. WB11 seems to only show up with the spanish language attached to it regardless of either subchannel. I've moved it around in their house and although I've tried I can't seem to pull NBC in, although it finds the signal. For the record my tuner is the Panny TU-DST51A. and I'm 35 miles out ATCF with no large buildings blocking me and no leaves on the trees yet. Please help.

Hey again. I've been playing around with the CM3021. I haven't installed it on the chimney yet, it's been too cold. But I did stick it on the end of the mast and prop it up around on my deck to see if I'd get anything. I have it going into a 24db amplifier from Philips. I thought I'd only be able to get some of the CT stations but when I put it on the west facing side of my house, I can get 2-1, 5-1, 5-2, 7-1, 7-2, 7-3, 21-2, 21-3, 41-1, and 55-1. 9-1 and 9-2 are too low, they pop in and out. I cant get NBC or WB at all, but the CT NBC still comes in so I gues I'm getting some reflection off the neighbors house. Some of the stations are coming in at only like 20 percent. I'm assuming when I put it up on the cimney the signal strengths will increase. So I guss so far I'm pretty happy. Need to see what's going to happen when the leaves come out. Maybe I won't even mount it until then, so I don't waste my time. Thanks to everyone for your help!

Here in zip 11725 for the folks. I can although not with a strong signal get all the NYC stations except NBC with the DB4 with an RCA 25dB amp to show up. WB11 seems to only show up with the spanish language attached to it regardless of either subchannel. I've moved it around in their house and although I've tried I can't seem to pull NBC in, although it finds the signal. For the record my tuner is the Panny TU-DST51A. and I'm 35 miles out ATCF with no large buildings blocking me and no leaves on the trees yet. Please help.

Before I can help I have a couple of questions for you.
Where is your DB4 mounted? I sort of get the feeling it is in the house from reading
your post. Also, your RCA 25 dB amp is not a preamp if it is the one that is sold at
Home Depot for instance. What does ATCF stand for? I am not familiar with that
acronym.

wb

Before I can help I have a couple of questions for you.
Where is your DB4 mounted? I sort of get the feeling it is in the house from reading
your post. Also, your RCA 25 dB amp is not a preamp if it is the one that is sold at
Home Depot for instance. What does ATCF stand for? I am not familiar with that
acronym.

wb
Right on the money on both, as I brought the RCA so if it didn't work I could return it easily. So far so good, I read the antenna instruction sheet and it did say putting in the attic/house cuts signal by 40-50%. We have a mount in the attic, which I might try but it's Tough to get to. I probably could mount it there but when I've had other antennas placed there it hasn't done well. The mount is unmovable as it is part of the structure of the house and looks to be a support rod. I didn't say the RCA was a preamp. The antenna is on the far northeast (facing west) corner of the house away from all the electrical wires running through the house. Also As The Crow Flies is the acronym ATCF. I'm going to try again but if you think a different amp will do please advise and I check it out.

Right on the money on both, as I brought the RCA so if it didn't work I could return it easily. So far so good, I read the antenna instruction sheet and it did say putting in the attic/house cuts signal by 40-50%. We have a mount in the attic, which I might try but it's Tough to get to. I probably could mount it there but when I've had other antennas placed there it hasn't done well. The mount is unmovable as it is part of the structure of the house and looks to be a support rod. I didn't say the RCA was a preamp. The antenna is on the far northeast (facing west) corner of the house away from all the electrical wires running through the house. Also As The Crow Flies is the acronym ATCF. I'm going to try again but if you think a different amp will do please advise and I check it out.

Thanks, I figured out the the ATCF right after I posted my reply. If there is a way to
get the antenna outside and up high, that will be your best bet to improve your
reception. I would return that RCA amp, I don't think it is helping you. It's intended
use is more in the nature of a distribution amplifier, used to overcome the losses in
splitters when feeding multiple TV's and recorders.
If you really need a preamp, the Channel Master CM7777 is the way to go. But I will
reiterate that it is not a substitute for improving your antenna setup.

I think you are about as good as it is going to get. 13HD on channel 61 is a
problem, because they presently transmit at very low power. The only improvment
you migt make is to get a Channel Master 7777 Titan preamp, which has a slightly
lower noisefigure. NBC is the weakest of the network stations at my location in
St. James also. If you want to go for the ultimate UHF antenna which might get
you WNET (13 HD) I would suggest the 91XG from Antennas Direct, which is
now also distributed by Solid Signal under the Terrestrial Digital brand.

wb

just an update, i bought the 91xg and picked up a cm 7777 and a cm rotor. i now get
2 cbs 100
4 nbc 73 w/ ocasional dropouts
5 fox 85
7 abc 92
9 upn 90
11 wb 72
13 pbs 65-75 w occasional dropout
21 wliw 85
31 pax 75
41 spanish 90
55 wliw 98
and when i rotate towards ct
3 cbs 75
30 nbc 90
51 fox 75
61 upn 70 w dropouts
this setup works great because my main concern was pbs and nbc w/out dropouts, if i watch nbc, i just rotate towards ct. thanks for your help.

Thanks, I figured out the the ATCF right after I posted my reply. If there is a way to
get the antenna outside and up high, that will be your best bet to improve your
reception. I would return that RCA amp, I don't think it is helping you. It's intended
use is more in the nature of a distribution amplifier, used to overcome the losses in
splitters when feeding multiple TV's and recorders.
If you really need a preamp, the Channel Master CM7777 is the way to go. But I will
reiterate that it is not a substitute for improving your antenna setup.
I returned the RCA amp and things got worse. I lost CBS2 mostly and WB11 is in constant dropout land as well, all others range from an dropout here or there but otherwise fine (CH 5,7,9,21,23). NBC4 (I get noification that the channel is found but I can't get any picture), PBS13, and WLNY,41 (sometimes get), are mainly MIA with the notable exceptions. Does LNL (http://www.lnl.com) sell the CM7777 and if they do would they ship from LI or elsewhere?

Does LNL (http://www.lnl.com) sell the CM7777 and if they do would they ship from LI or elsewhere?

check out solidsignal.com. they sell new ones, but i scored an open box for 1/2 of what a new one costs. good luck

just an update, i bought the 91xg and picked up a cm 7777 and a cm rotor. i now get
2 cbs 100
4 nbc 73 w/ ocasional dropouts
5 fox 85
7 abc 92
9 upn 90
11 wb 72
13 pbs 65-75 w occasional dropout
21 wliw 85
31 pax 75
41 spanish 90
55 wliw 98
and when i rotate towards ct
3 cbs 75
30 nbc 90
51 fox 75
61 upn 70 w dropouts
this setup works great because my main concern was pbs and nbc w/out dropouts, if i watch nbc, i just rotate towards ct. thanks for your help.

Thanks for the post, I am glad that everything worked out for you,

wb

I returned the RCA amp and things got worse. I lost CBS2 mostly and WB11 is in constant dropout land as well, all others range from an dropout here or there but otherwise fine (CH 5,7,9,21,23). NBC4 (I get noification that the channel is found but I can't get any picture), PBS13, and WLNY,41 (sometimes get), are mainly MIA with the notable exceptions. Does LNL (http://www.lnl.com) sell the CM7777 and if they do would they ship from LI or elsewhere?

LNL sells the CM7777. I would assume that they ship from their Syosset store since they have a regular retail store. I just walked in, purchased it and walked out.

I got the CM 7777 and it worked almost. I get the digitals for 2,5,7,9,11,21,41, inside the house on the ground floor in the same location as in the previous post, nearly dropout free. NBC 4 and PBS 13 digital are still a no show but I get a a green input found/channel unavailable message on 4 and nothing on 13, on the Panasonic TU-DST51A that were using as a tuner. Went to the attic will the DB4 but no change on NBC but got ch 8 digital from across the sound on a VHF digital no less, but lost it when I came back down. What now and who? I think I want to go for a pro to install this antenna outdoors and all, but I don't know who might be good for this. Any recommendations?

Do a search for LNL in Syosset. They may be able to reccomend a good installer for your area. You may also want to invest in a rotor since you're picking up signals from both the ESB and CT.

Called around a few places and they just gave me a standard "Let me call you back" message from at least three people who I inquired about an antenna install. I told them what I have and what they might do and still nothing and that was 6 days ago. One guy recommended said he wanted to use their antennas and equipment for the install and charge me 450 to do so. That was definitely declined. So what is a guy to do here? If you read my prior posts from the last few weeks you see what I've got and what I'm trying to deal with here, so who thinks I should call someone up here from this thread and have them over to help me do this, since the pros seem to have better things to do? Joe (I know you lurk here from time to time) or others what do you think?

Called around a few places and they just gave me a standard "Let me call you back" message from at least three people who I inquired about an antenna install. I told them what I have and what they might do and still nothing and that was 6 days ago. One guy recommended said he wanted to use their antennas and equipment for the install and charge me 450 to do so. That was definitely declined. So what is a guy to do here? If you read my prior posts from the last few weeks you see what I've got and what I'm trying to deal with here, so who thinks I should call someone up here from this thread and have them over to help me do this, since the pros seem to have better things to do? Joe (I know you lurk here from time to time) or others what do you think?

I'll give it a shot. I am 60 miles west of Chicago, in a one-story townhome, in a river valley, antenna in attic. I'm in trouble, right? Nope...I can get ALL of the Chicago signals, save one at low power on channel 3 (ugh). 35 miles is most certainly doable. Outdoor
antenna won't help pick up that one, trust me.

You need to understand that you need even more of a boost, and less noise in your amplifier. I haven't seen your previous weeks posts, but assuming:

You are using RG-6 cable with good connectors
Your cable run is 100' or less
You are using a ChannelMaster 4228 antenna (or a DB-8; a DB-2 will *not* cut it)
And you use a ChannelMaster 7777 preamplifier (28 dB UHF gain and perhaps
even more importantly, lower noise than your current amplifier. Any amplifier with over 3 dB of noise will cause problems with digital!)

Then...you should be able to get what you want if the stations are all in the same
general direction...within 30 degrees or so. Best of wishes! Oh, do NOT get ANYTHING from Terk.
The antennas are junk.

About Terk, I know, I happen to know they are at least in a corporate presence here in this town. I'm using the CM 7777 and a DB4 antenna, cable run right now is less than 10' and I'm not sure if it is RG-6, but at that distance it shouldn't matter. Please go back and read my prior post and you'll understand alot more. Any LI guys here to help?

I lost track of what you are asking. None of the people you called would even give you a price on installing the stuff you have? or are you wondering how well it will work up on the roof?

The first question is the one I've experienced. I'm really just hoping to have this done by the first Saturday in May so that my father can watch the derby in HD. If you read my prior posts you will see I can't get NBC, from either across the sound or from the ESB. I just don't want to do this myself since it's tough to gauge with just myself and my father doesn't have time for this, with work and everything. Quite frankly neither do I but I was hoping to try and do something the Friday before the derby to get in NBC. If someone's willing to help I can buy the beer. :)

Well guys as an update I called Variety TV and well the DB4 they installed is working well up on the roof, but without good hi-VHF reception my HD DVR works as good as a VCR since I can't seem to pick up the VHF signals well at all. Any ideas? Really, help on what to do would be greatly appreciated.

just a note. tonight i am getting locals from philly. 155 miles away! i cant beleive this. atmosphere must be perfect.btw i am using a 91xg w a preamp

Variety TV from Massapequa has come through for me again. They installed an antenna on my roof a few years ago so I can receive Connecticut locals (I am in Suffolk County on the North Shore). I also have DirecTV and I recently purchased a 5x8 multiswitch so I can combine my satellite feed and antenna so that all 8 outputs have the satellite feed and the antenna feed. However, I realized that installing this thing was going to be a pain so I called Variety TV and they didn't hesitate to come by and install it for me. They worked efficiently and now ALL of my satellite receivers can also get antenna feeds (with a diplexer).
And while they were doing this, they realized my satellite dish had gone slightly out of whack so they fixed that as well and my signal strengths are much higher now on all 3 satellites (I have the 3 LNB dish). I highly recommend them for antenna and/or satellite services.

I'm having them come by Wednesday, I'll be reporting how well they do then. I'm glad someone else has had good results with them.

Powerful, what happened with Variety? I live just north of Exit 52 on the LIE so I'm interested in how well things worked out for you. Do you now get channels 4 and 13?

Yes they happened to fix what was happening by using a A-B switch in which I switch between the VHF ant and the UHF ant. This allows each to concentrate on each band on it's own without bothering the other one. I now get 4 and 13 digital and analog. BTW I have the CM 7777 preamp and amp but they bypassed the VHF input due to problems. Way to go Variety!

Let me make sure I understand. You have separate cables from each antenna coming into the A-B switch and only the UHF antenna is conected to the preamp. What happened when they connected the VHF cable to the preamp? Seems to me if that worked, you wouldn't need the A-B switch.

I'm curious because using an A-B switch wouldn't allow me to use my DirecTV HD-DVR to record OTA signals if I left the switch in the VHF position.

It sounds like you need a CM7777. That would allow both the UHF and VHF antennas to be amplified and eliminate the A-B switch.

I think so too, but that's why I'm trying to find out what trouble Variety had when it tried to use the VHF input on Powerful's CM7777.

Variety said that it hindered the recption which BTW the analog reception still stinks regardless. They said get another amp for the VHF. Frankly having both actually allows my trouble tuner (the LG LST-3410A aka the HD DVR) to receive 4 where as the amp UHF ant doesn't get it. I look into it if I see a need to get the analogs besides 13 (which where so happens to be where the Guide info comes from for the LG). BTW I have after the switch a two way splitter so that I can watch and record two things at once using the Samsung HDTV tuner.

Uh -oh, are you saying your amp UHF antenna isn't getting digital 4? How do you get it on the LG then? At my place its signal is so weak, there's no chance of getting digital 4 without an amp.

Are you guys still talking antennas in attics? I am a few miles south of exit 52, the land is very low here and my 4228 is only a few feet above my single story roof (I had back problems when I put the antenna up so wanted it easy to reach) and NBC comes in fine (at least 99% of the time). I do not get a peep out of 13 so I use the cable to provide that.

No, I'm talking outdoor.

Do you have a rotor on the antenna? I can't take my preamp out of the circuit to test but NBC is about on par with other stations. All of them can get a few breakups from time to time during the "trees have leaves" months but maybe one or two a week, not more than that. I would try very small direction changes if you do not have a rotor. Maybe a little tweak can help. You tried with no preamp and got no reception, correct? Otherwise maybe WLIW on 21 and 22 is swamping (overloading) your receiver with the preamp. I would think you are almost aimed right at them and only a few miles away. Just a thought.

No with preamp and amp I don't get reception. Without I get better reception on 4. The each ant. are DB4 UHF and VHF/UHF Radioshack one from about 15 years ago. I posted the model number earlier and have forgotten it. Any ideas?

I actually meant gpg with the overload thing but maybe you have some issue like that too though you are not as close to wliw as gpg. If you lose reception WITH a preamp (mounted at the antenna) it tends to mean too much signal SOMEWHERE. It could be another channel and not the one you are watching. If I were in your shoes I would tune in some analog uhf stations and use them to discover what is going on. The DB4 is a 4 bay bow tie? I suppose it may not be enough but the preamp thing is telling you something and I honestly think you need to discover that message to get anywhere. Tune around the analog channels with and without the preamp. Take special note of the ones close in (21, 67, 55) If the ones off to the side are very strong they could overload the preamp or receiver. The other possibility for the preamp is it is broke. If every stations gets more snow WITH the preamp it is broken. BTW: the reason to look at analog signals is it will tell you more about the signal. A lot of ghosting will indicate multipath problems for digital signals a lot of snow means weak reception. Blacks that bleed across the screen or heavy tearing could be too strong a signal.

I am in Babylon. I just put a Channel Master 4228 on the roof on a 10 mast. I connected it to a new HUMAX HFA100 and it scanned 27 channels. The lowest signal was 80, most close to 100 if not 100. It lasted about 5 minutes before the piece of crap Humax locked up. It goes back in the box tomorrow.

I have basic and family cable so I was wondering if I should get a tuner that is QAM capable. Will I be able to pick up HD channels using the cable? If so which ones?

Thanks in advance

65T500... You should be able pick up the HD locals and some unencrypted channels from the cable if you do have a QAM tuner.

Netman... 55 doesn't work as they are only broadcasting digitally now, TripinVA told me that here in the forum as to not waste my time, 21 looks to be clear impossible to tell digital or analog regardless which ant. 67 has ghosting. your take?

Powerful,

You are just tuning the analogs to get a feel for what is going on. The main question is what happens with the preamp and without. Look at any channel you get and see what changes. You want the help of the preamp for the NYC stations so you want to know why the preamp makes things worse. Looking at an analog could provide that answer since they are not "there or not there" like digitals tend to be. For example, if you look at ghosty 67 with the preamp what changes if anything? It should NOT disappear. What about 41 or 47?

All,
Now I'm curious. If we can get all the channels using a QAM tuner, why did everyone go with OTA? I stuck a ChannelMaster 4228 up on a 10 foot mast and all I really need to do is just hook a QAM capable tuner up to my cable so why aren't we doing that? Am I missing something?

Thanks,

Joe

I don't think Cablevision is offering channel 9's digital feed yet.

Joe,

My OTA ability pre-dated cablevision's carrying OTA HDTV by some time. Also I did not always have QAM ability.

netman 41 and 47 look better with the preamp-amp combo, but then again I expected that to happen. Although there is ghosting on 47 regardless which ant. is used, it's just not as bad with the amp.

netman 41 and 47 look better with the preamp-amp combo, but then again I expected that to happen. Although there is ghosting on 47 regardless which ant. is used, it's just not as bad with the amp.

This sounds like the preamp is working OK. When you say amp do you mean you have a second amplifier or are you talking about the second piece for the preamp (the power supply). I would NOT put a second amp in line (not yet anyway).

The ghosting on 47 would concern me. How hard is it to see the TV and rotate the antenna to try to clear the ghosting on 47? I would do that. Ghosts on analog signals are multipath problems on digital signals and not all receivers handle that well. It tends to indicate the antenna is not aimed correctly. To be clear, aiming for 47 may not be the same as aiming for nbc but there is a high likelihood they are very close, if not the same.

Here are my results to give you a comparison:

41, 47 analog nearly perfect ghost free reception. I have one preamp mounted on one 4228 (8 bow tie) feeding 3 receivers.

I can confirm my "worst" (lowest % number on receivers) reception is NBC.

If I rotate the antenna a little NBC getting worse coincides with 47 getting ghosts.


So my advice is hookup 4 bay bow tie, preamp one receiver. Try aiming around to get 41, 47 with no ghosting and see if NBC comes in. If you can't get it you may need more antenna (bigger antenna) more height or both.

I will agree to that est. but I didn't install the ant. Variety Television did. I have called them on numerous times about it and their response is to get an amp for the VHF/UHF ant and feed the best ant. to the tuner you want the best reception on. The model number for RS ant. is 15-1718a. Last time I checked the RS website I printed out a form that said it was rated for 120 miles. Albeit it was 15-20 years ago that we got the thing and until now really just sat in the box in the garage. For the amp ?, do you use a CM 7777?

I have a CM7775 (uhf only). To be honest if I realized how much VHF reception the 4228 gave I might have gotten the UHF/VHF preamp. the 7775 actually blocks VHF so I get no VHF reception at all. By the way, the number on a preamp that matters is NOT gain, it is noise figure and lower is better.

If you want we could swap amps and you might see a difference. :) Seriously though I like the fact that unampified the VHF/UHF ant. does the job of most of my needs. The amped UHF ant. does have some distance and picks up Jersey stations as well as getting 13 so my major problem with it is it's under channel 30 performance. 21 does come in but it's reception becomes difficult in bad weather.

It sure sounds like you have nothing more than an aiming issue if you get 13 and no nbc. I am also into amateur radio and being in this hole always sucked for VHF or UHF. At 45 feet above the ground here I could not compete with guys 2 miles to the north at about 15 feet. I have a topographic map on my computer and it is very depressing to look at. I do not think I could get 13 without another 15 feet of mast which I do not have the motivation to mess with (especially since I get 13 from the cable). I don't even want to get on a roof anymore. 30 years ago I put a few dozen TV antenna systems up for the company I worked for; now I am a fat fifty plus and would be afraid to roll off the roof!

Well I sent back the Humax HFA100 and I told buy.com to stop selling the POC. Any feedback on the Samsung SIR-T451? I was thinking about getting a refurbed one. Normally I would never buy referbed anything but I really don't want to spend to much money on OTA since I figure everything will change in a year or two.

65T500 check your PMs.

These are the channels I have found so far....

75-1 rap crap
75-2 spanish
75-3 spanish
75-4 NJN
75-5
75-6 News 12
89-9 movie channel
89-9 channel guide
93-1 NBC-HD***************************************
93-2 NBC weather plus
93-4 NBC
94-1 WB11-HD**************************************
100-1 horse racing results
100-2thru13 traffic cameras
100-15 OTB results
101-1 CBS-HD********************************************
101-2 wnet kids 13
101-3 13 world
102-13 shop nbc
107-2 MSG womens basketball
107-3thru7 Same as above
107-8 Court TV
114-1 movie channel
114-2 movie channel
114-3 movie channel
114-4 movie channel
114-5 movie channel

Can anyone add to this? I am still looking for ABC-HD, FOX-HD, UPN-HD or any other HD channels.

What is the OTA channel that WNBC-HD is on?

Powerful,

What did you do, put a jinx on me? NBC: terrible reception all week! I hate when that happens.

65T500,

28

It was bad for me too, but my tuner in the VCR was the most stable of the three I have and even it was going in and out. I didn't check SS but it must have been low. I will call Variety to have them come and raise the antennas on the pole. Height seems to be the crux to my issue. On the plus side I picked up NJN-DT channels and subs decent enough.

Without my rotor NBC would have been gone. Had to fine tune aim to get usable signal. Even then it breaks up a few times an hour. There is nothing on I watch this time of year but it was funny to see it get so bad after saying how good they come in. NJN is nice, they have good stability even if they are very weak.

HI, to day AUG. 27, only receiving channel 4 in HD, nothing from 2,5,7,9,11,13, Did I miss some info about Empire State Building, whats going on? nO RECEPTION for a few days now. Was getting very clear reception all along. Using chimney mounted antenna.

Today I'm getting digital feeds of 5.7,9 and 11. I never could get 4 or 13 and 2 comes and goes.

If anyone on the North Shore across the pond from New Haven has the time, I'd like a QSL on WEDY-DT, Ch. 6 (65-1). Went on the air with programming (CPTV/PBS) Friday afternoon. Only 400 Watts ERP but should slide across the water OK. Please reply PM.

If anyone on the North Shore across the pond from New Haven has the time, I'd like a QSL on WEDY-DT, Ch. 6 (65-1). Went on the air with programming (CPTV/PBS) Friday afternoon. Only 400 Watts ERP but should slide across the water OK. Please reply PM.

I'm in Kings Park, LI, and have my VHF Antenna pointed toward New Haven (No Rotor) and do not get a lock on WEDY-DT Ch.6

Brookville NY-

I am having trouble locking into CBS, NBC is fine, ABC and fox are excellent

i live out in medford, and have always gotten nbc at about a 65 to 72 signal, but for the last 2 mos, cant lock in on it. has anyone else out here(in the boondocks) had this problem? i have a rotor, and nothing helps. i am wondering if nbc lowered the power on the signal. i am just wondering, thats all.btw i can get nbc from ct, but i wish i didnt have to use the rotor.

I've had a similar problem with CW in Nassau county (only 24 miles from ESB). The general consensus was that spring/summer foliage was causing multi-path problems. I'm hoping as the leaves come off that my signal returns as well.

The foliage is definitely an issue. My signal in fall/winter/early spring is excellent. Once the trees start leafing out, it all goes down the tubes.

the thing that puzzles me is in mid june i still had a signal. the trees should have been all full. anyway i will find out soon enough, last night and tonite will be cold as hell, so the leaves will be dropping

NBC fell off the map for me. More than the foliage thing ever caused. It used to be 95% perfect reception all year (reception not signal reading). Now it is useless. All other stations are strong. I gave up on it and use the cable signal instead. Very strange.


BTW: I blame powerful; he put a jinx on me :)

netman, where on the island are you located? i am wondering what happened to nbc? could it be some sort of new building or structure went up? its kinda weird dont you think?

NBC fell off the map for me. More than the foliage thing ever caused. It used to be 95% perfect reception all year (reception not signal reading). Now it is useless. All other stations are strong. I gave up on it and use the cable signal instead. Very strange.


BTW: I blame powerful; he put a jinx on me :)
I heard that :). My problem with NBC are continuing as well, so don't take it so bad. I too am waiting for the fall foliage to come down to give me an idea as to whether or not it's related. For right now I've given NBC up but my main problems seem to be with the TV guide info that is broadcasted from WNET-TV. I believe an amp will do me no good.

netman, where on the island are you located? i am wondering what happened to nbc? could it be some sort of new building or structure went up? its kinda weird dont you think?

I am in Deer Park and I do think it is weird. My antenna is not very high up but the other OTAs are doing fine. NBC was doing good also. As soon as I told powerful my NBC reception was good (about a page up this thread) I realized it no longer was. I switched to the cable feed but I know not everyone has that option. I will see what the foliage drop does but in the past it was a few % of signal not enough to go from reception to none. I really can't wait till they have a proper antenna site in manhattan.

I really can't wait till they have a proper antenna site in manhattan.

are they doing something with the antenna in manhatten? i thought they were done? or is it because of the world trade center?

All the antennas would have been on the WTC. Now they are using the empire state building. If they ever build the freedom tower it will be on that which will be much higher. Considering powerful and I talked about this on the LI and the NYC reception areas one would think someone would have mentioned antenna work going on if they knew about it. The other stations (except WNET) continue to come in at 70% to 100% depending on which while NBC was about 35 the last I looked.

It'd be nice if they just increased the power a bit for NBC, NET & CW.

I am located in Nissequogue ( Saint James) and I receive all the network stations
including WNET solid, with the exception of WNBC. That signal has steadily gotten
worse over the last three month or so, I have a Fusion HDTV5 card in my PC and
WNBC has always been marginal with occasional drop outs, but quite solid on
my LG42LC2D TV. Now i dont get a picture at all on my PC and it breaks up on the
tv to put it in the unwatchable category. I don't know what has changed, I don't
think it can be the leaves, because we had leaves 4-6 month ago, when the
reception was ok. WNBC has always been the weakest station here, I don't think
it can be my antenna, because WNYC is only 3 RF channels away and is received fine
with a good solid signal.

wb

I get NBC fine from here. I jsut checked it again about 10 minutes ago. I do not have a way to measure the signal strength. But, it looks good and there is no interference, dropped signal, etc. at all.

I think Country Joe must have fixed it, because right after I saw his post, I decided to
check myself.
Lo and behold, WNBC-HD is back with a very solid signal and just about as strong as
the other network stations. Just to make sure it was not a fluke I checked several
more times during the last two days, and it sure looks like it is for real.

wb

LOL. I have that effect sometimes. :cool:

Confirmed. NBC now coming in perfect. Signal is 81 - 87% which is very good.

nbc is back for me too. i guess the leaves had something to do with it.

nbc is back for me too. i guess the leaves had something to do with it.


I don't think so. Leaves did not change much near me and I went from maybe 5-10% (no reception at all) right to 85%. I never had a problem before during the summer. We also took the closest tree to my antenna down while reception was bad and there was no change at all from that.

I can say that Joe has the effect working full circle, as I now have NBC coming in at around 75 so it's all good. Guess I'll finally be watching ND take on UNC tomorrow in HD.

I don't think so. Leaves did not change much near me and I went from maybe 5-10% (no reception at all) right to 85%. I never had a problem before during the summer. We also took the closest tree to my antenna down while reception was bad and there was no change at all from that.

I thought the same thing, but don't forget about multipath. Just because you don't have foliage close to your antenna doesn't mean there isn't some blocking or causing multipath somewhere else in the area. I see huge swings in the CW and it does correspond to peak foliage times of the year.

I thought the same thing, but don't forget about multipath. Just because you don't have foliage close to your antenna doesn't mean there isn't some blocking or causing multipath somewhere else in the area. I see huge swings in the CW and it does correspond to peak foliage times of the year.

I understand but I have had this stuff up for a while now and have a good feel for how it behaves and am not convinced something did not change at the transmit site.

I never lost any station during any part of the season. I do see very slight seasonal changes but nothing like "station here / station gone". I had watchable NBC from the Conde nast building (however it is spelled). Also keep in mind they disappeared over a two day period (from 75% to 5-10%) and we were already at full foliage. I am very suspicious.

I am quite convinced that it has something to do with NBC, not foliage. First of
all, none of the other network stations showed any unusual change in signal strength,
and secondly, there were leaves before and after the change in signal
strength. Certainly, there was no significant change in leaf density in 24 hrs, which
is how quickly the signal changed from unusable to full strength. Also, I would have
to rule out thermal ducting, because that effect does not persist for more than a day
or two at the most.

wb

Ah, NBC!

I've had an OTA HDTV science experiment running fora few months now and have never been able to get NBC realiably. I live in Lake Ronkonkoma. I got advice in the NY OTA forum that I should try out a CM4228 vs the Winegard PR-9032 I have currently. The CM should have 3-4 DB extra gain. The suggestion was from the Deer Park area.

I have the antenna on a 10 ft pole attached to the rake boards of my 2nd floor gable end. In addition, I have Lowe's mast mount peramp attached to the pole. Nos plitters in the coax after the preamp, just a coax grounding block. the rcvr is an ATI HDTV Wonder.

Before I spend another ~$75 on this science experiment I'd love to hear if people closer to Lake Ronk have had succes in getting WNBC-DT OTA. I've noticed posts from Medford and St. James in this forum.

Have people close to the Lake Ronk area been able to get WNBC-DT reliably?

Anybody? Anybody in Lake Ronk, Centereach, Farmingville, Holtsville, Lake Grove, etc?

i don't have my antennas up any longer but when i did i was able to get nbc fairly reliably...i'm in smithtown close to the western centereach border but probably no closer than st james is except maybe smithtown is further south.

that being said, i generally did get better erfrom the cm4228 than i did with my really large winegard...mast mounted to my chimney about 15 ft high...can't recall if i was also able to get it from ct.

another thing is the tuner, the hdtv wonder may not be the best.

I'm in Coram and have a CM4228 along with a CM7777 preamp up on the roof and generally get a good signal for most of the NY stations. I first tried to mount the antenna in my attic but the reception was very poor. After moving it outside, things improved dramatically. The preamp is very important ... without it I get nothing at all.

i should have mentioned that i also had the cm7777 preamp...

Thanks for the inputs. It sounds like I'll order a CM4228 and I'll check what preamp I bought from Lowes. The preamp I do have did make a big diffrecne in reception.

WRT the HDTV tuner, what PC tuner do you think wouldbe better?

Thanks again.

WRT the HDTV tuner, what PC tuner do you think wouldbe better?
Thanks again.


Get your antenna stuff in order before bearing the expense of a new card. See how that goes first. Remember the most important characteristic of the preamp is the noise figure and lower is better. The preamp goes as close to the antenna as possible as measured by the length of cable between the antenna and the preamp.

Okey-doke.

I installed a CM4228 on the same 10 ft pole and used the same 300 ohm input CM 3041DSB preamp. The CM4228 feeds 1-2 ft of 300 ohm twinlead carefully threaded thru the "chicken-wire" rear of the the 4228, with some electrical tape holding the cable centerd between the chickenwire.

I tuned the direction of the new antenna and wound up basically where the old antenna is pointing, which is consistent with the antennaweb direction, basically due west. I did the tuning using the CBS signal and the WNBC signal. No obvious improvement for WNBC-DT, signal is basically zero. I DID pick up a marginal signal on WNET, which was basically zero before. So it seems like the antenna has gained me something on the high end (WNET = 61), but nothing useful on the low end (WNBC = 28).

I could replace the preamp with one with a lower NF, but it seems like the CMs are all 75 ohm input, which means I'd have to use a balun at the anteanna feed and then 1-2 feet of coax.

Any suggestions? Opinions?

It's hard to believe your installation has too many shortcomings if you even see WNET at all but yet like many others you have trouble with WNBC. I still don't have a peep out of NBC while CBS, FOX, ABC, PIX and WOR are all 80% or above. NBC used to be the same.

Neither do I netman, and I've had Variety TV come by just to make sure it was not my ant. WNBC is just a PITA to receive. I was thinking about looking into XG91 ant. Now though I just am going to wait and see what they do as last fall has convinced me that it is on their end. I can pull WNBC in but with breakups and dropout galore. Signal strength meters give a 40-70% WNBC all the time, which results in problems mentioned. All other stations including WNET and WNJN I get 60-80% on signal strength meter. That's all DT folks. I do have a problem picking up WLNY but I generally would not watch anything on there unless it was sports, which someone correct me if I'm wrong I don't think they have any, although the used to have college bb.

Okey-doke.

I installed a CM4228 on the same 10 ft pole and used the same 300 ohm input CM 3041DSB preamp. The CM4228 feeds 1-2 ft of 300 ohm twinlead carefully threaded thru the "chicken-wire" rear of the the 4228, with some electrical tape holding the cable centerd between the chickenwire.

I tuned the direction of the new antenna and wound up basically where the old antenna is pointing, which is consistent with the antennaweb direction, basically due west. I did the tuning using the CBS signal and the WNBC signal. No obvious improvement for WNBC-DT, signal is basically zero. I DID pick up a marginal signal on WNET, which was basically zero before. So it seems like the antenna has gained me something on the high end (WNET = 61), but nothing useful on the low end (WNBC = 28).

I could replace the preamp with one with a lower NF, but it seems like the CMs are all 75 ohm input, which means I'd have to use a balun at the anteanna feed and then 1-2 feet of coax.

Any suggestions? Opinions?

what are you using to "tune" the signal?

I recall when i was using pc based cards i would have a difficult time getting nbc; also when i used my samsung t165, same thing...but when i had voom, using its internal tuner i would consistently get nbc without much difficulty...of course this was way back when voom was around so things have likely changed...

my point is some tuners are much better than others at dealing with multi-path, etc.

what are you using to "tune" the signal?

I recall when i was using pc based cards i would have a difficult time getting nbc; also when i used my samsung t165, same thing...but when i had voom, using its internal tuner i would consistently get nbc without much difficulty...of course this was way back when voom was around so things have likely changed...

my point is some tuners are much better than others at dealing with multi-path, etc.

I use WatchHDTV to tune the signal. The WNBC-DT signal bounces around near zero, so you have to integrate it mentally. WLIW-DT (RF Ch 22) comes in fine, and yes, WLIW is a lot closer, but...

WRT multipath, the only tall structures near me are th FAA ATC towers at Islip airport, which are ~ 5 miles south of me. Strange.

I was thinking about looking into XG91 ant.

i have one, and nbc still is a pita. i really dont understand why nbc is such a pita. there must be something interfering with the frequency they use. i dont have any other explaination

Hi Gurus,
I finally bought my first HDTV (Samsung DLP ) from amazon. Since we don't have much time to watch TV, so I don't want to pay cable vision or dish Network expensive monthly fees. I live in Long Island, NY 11733. I have read quite a few posts in this thread, but I got confused. I have no idea about what are the channel master or amplifier, or rabbit ears. Can gurus please tell me what Antena and other equipments I should buy so I can enjoy free TV? By the way, I have quite a few tall trees around my 2 stories house and I plan to keep my TV in the basement. Do you know any company can do the installation? Thank you so much!



NewguyinHDTV

Hi Gurus,
I finally bought my first HDTV (Samsung DLP ) from amazon. Since we don't have much time to watch TV, so I don't want to pay cable vision or dish Network expensive monthly fees. I live in Long Island, NY 11733. I have read quite a few posts in this thread, but I got confused. I have no idea about what are the channel master or amplifier, or rabbit ears. Can gurus please tell me what Antena and other equipments I should buy so I can enjoy free TV? By the way, I have quite a few tall trees around my 2 stories house and I plan to keep my TV in the basement. Do you know any company can do the installation? Thank you so much!



NewguyinHDTV

Maybe you missed the 8 million Cablevision commercials that tell you they don't charge extra for HD? :eek:

If you still just want local HD only go to antennaweb.org and they can tell you what kind of antenna to get and the channels you could expect to receive.

Variety TV in Nassau County can help you in the antenna dept.

Variety Television in Nassau is definitely your source for antenna advice and installation. They hooked me up years ago. Since you are located in the same area as myself, you might find it easier to get all the broadcast channels from CT. I receive all the major networks with no problems.

Hello. I am new to the thread and have a house in Hampton Bays but have no TV at present. I don't want to go for the cost of cable but recognize that OTA is difficult when you are low, 12 ft above sea level, and on the South Shore (Tiana Bay) of Long Island.

I have no antenna at present beyond rabbit ears on my workbench in the garage and I can't get anything except CT ABC Channel 8 and very poorly at that.

Inquiries to the local Radio Shack resulted in advice to "buy cable"...and to give up on any idea of OTA.

What are my options. I'd like to believe that HD from CT would be a go and could be accomplished with a simple set (small antenna) up.

Is that the case or do I need to go bigger. How big?

I have access to my attic for antenna placement.

I don't have to have NYC station...I just want a reliable something...although local traffic would be nice.

Your advice greatly appreciated.

Jerry in 11946

Jerry,
Go Back to radio shack and tell them to look up model #: 15-1634. With that antenna mounted in your attic CT stations should be easy to come in. If not go with 15-2160. Radio shack just doesn't like antenna returns so they tend to push satellite/cable which are such harder to return.

you might find it easier to get all the broadcast channels from CT. I receive all the major networks with no problems.
What ch in CT can you receive and what direction do you aim your antenna.
I'm off exit 50 of the LIE, up high w/a roof top Winegard Yagi. But can't get the NYC broadcasts worth a damn. Thanks

I get all the major networks from CT. CBS (3.1), FOX (61.1), NBC (30.1), ABC (8.1), CW (20.1). I also get PBS and PAX but I never watch those channels. I had the same problem as you, I couldn't get NY channels at all. As for pointing, I got lucky that from my location (Miller Place Exit 63) I am able to point it in one direction to get all channels. The broadcasting antennas are in different locations in CT.
Use www.antennaweb.org to find the locations. If your antenna rotates you can point it at specific locations for specific channels. Also. I would try to find ABC first, it is in New Haven which is on the south shore of CT and it is the easiest channel to get. If you have problems getting ABC, you will definitely have problems getting the other channels.
Hope this helps.

Thanks for the response hud! I had looked at antennaweb last night after I saw your post and , based on the increased distances to CT stations, didn't think they were going to be viable. ( about 10mi further than NYC)
However, maybe because it's over the sound ,w/o the obstructions, it works. After this rain lets up I'll repoint my ant and see what happens. (no rotor)

What ch in CT can you receive and what direction do you aim your antenna.
I'm off exit 50 of the LIE, up high w/a roof top Winegard Yagi. But can't get the NYC broadcasts worth a damn. Thanks


If you are off 50 and high up and can't get NYC you have something wrong. What you should have is a UHF antenna with good quality RG6 coax (a rotor would be an amazing help in aiming). In most cases a pre-amp AT THE ANTENNA is helpful (most cases). Things that may be wrong can include:

Bad pre-amp, bad antenna, incorrect preamp or antenna (not UHF), bad coax feed, bad situation (example: you are north of the expressway and have a pre-amp at the antenna and the antenna is aimed directly at channel 21 and is being overloaded OR some other signal is overloading a pre-amp), antenna is very badly aimed, user error., gremlins.

My advice is always install a rotor. It keeps your trips to the roof down to one. Almost no one who has not installed antennas before can aim an antenna correctly whatever they think.

BTW: if you are north of the e-way and enough north or high enough you should also get the CT stations.

I agree. I am in East Northport (equiv of exit 52 off LIE) and I get all NYC and one NJ station from a ranch with no preamp. It is just an antenna and top qulaity coax directly to the TV. I would suggest you always use the highest quality components you can find and make sure all connections are clean and tight. Good Luck. Joe

Thanks Joe and netman!
My comment re the locals was based on my CRT Mits. ( also hooked up to D** sat)
I have just set up my Pioneer panel and hadn't gone through the OTA ch detect yet, which I did after yesterday's posts. The analog stations below 5 are terrible but all of the digital hd's, except NBC for some reason, are fine w/a signal strenght ~50. No preamp. ~220 ft above sea level, lots of tall trees.
1/2 mile north of the LIE, about 33 mi to the city transmitters. 300 ohm antenna wire to a small 75 ohm converter, just before the tv.
I installed the ant 25 yrs ago ( and all the wiring). Up until 911, reception was PERFECT on every receivable ch.

Today I'll do the reaim (tvfool a great help here) and see if I can get NBC, then try CT, although 52 mi away (may be a stretch)

I agree. I am in East Northport (equiv of exit 52 off LIE) and I get all NYC and one NJ station from a ranch with no preamp. It is just an antenna and top qulaity coax directly to the TV. I would suggest you always use the highest quality components you can find and make sure all connections are clean and tight. Good Luck. Joe

Joe...How far north of the LIE are you and do you get NYC NBC ch 4.1 and WPIX 11.1?
What ant model do you have, if I may ask.

I've played w/the ant aiming and no matter what I can't get NBC-HD or PIX-HD. Which is very strange because 2.1, 5.1,7.1 and 9.1 come in fine. All four are approx the same azimuth and same distance (32mi) as the other 2. Transmit power is different but the Rx(dBm) #'s(in the air signal) are similiar. This according to tvfool . Lastly the channels are in the same color reception category. Any thoughts appreciated.

Also tried aiming to CT and not a single ch received.

Oh, lastly, just for grins I hooked up a 10db ant amplifier. Still couldn't get NBC/PIX, but now I'm recieving channels that aren't on the chart (ie 9.2, 5.2)

I bought my antenna from AntennasDirect.com. Real nice folks and very knowledgable about their products. I have an 91XG. I tend to lean towards overdoing it sometimes. I did not want to put it up and then have it not get channels and wonder if it was the antenna. The cost was not a lot and I am willing to pay to decrease aggravation. I pointed it with a compass and had it the first time and get all network channels. I am located north of Jericho Tpke, just north of Burr Rd. This is a uni-directional antenna, but I even get a channel that is in the opposite direction (55- WLIG?). Good Luck and let me know if you need anything else.

Joe...How far north of the LIE are you and do you get NYC NBC ch 4.1 and WPIX 11.1?
What ant model do you have, if I may ask.

I've played w/the ant aiming and no matter what I can't get NBC-HD or PIX-HD. Which is very strange because 2.1, 5.1,7.1 and 9.1 come in fine. All four are approx the same azimuth and same distance (32mi) as the other 2. Transmit power is different but the Rx(dBm) #'s(in the air signal) are similiar. This according to tvfool . Lastly the channels are in the same color reception category. Any thoughts appreciated.

Also tried aiming to CT and not a single ch received.

Oh, lastly, just for grins I hooked up a 10db ant amplifier. Still couldn't get NBC/PIX, but now I'm recieving channels that aren't on the chart (ie 9.2, 5.2)



Tried to load/view your jpg. [Interestingly enough, it did not copy into the quote above]. Unfortunately, Do not know if it was me, or my not having authorization to see it, or if there was a problem with the original post, because I was denied access to view it.

Instead, I got bumped to a Vmessage telling me that I was not 'logged on' or that I did not have 'authorization' to view it.

I sent a 'bug' request to the "administrator at AVS'' for the forum hoping that the problem was me and that it could be resolved.

Sorry that I can't offer much else on this.
..Mark

We are replacing our Outdoor roof antenna for the future. it will need to receive digital broadcast and HDTV. Our zip code is 11001 and this antenna will be hooked into 5 TVs. What would we need and what will the cost be? Who installs this stuff anymore?

We are replacing our Outdoor roof antenna for the future. it will need to receive digital broadcast and HDTV. Our zip code is 11001 and this antenna will be hooked into 5 TVs. What would we need and what will the cost be? Who installs this stuff anymore?

http://www.antennaweb.org/aw/welcome.aspx

Hi all ...

I've been doing a lot of reading and hope I can get some help.

Most of the discussion here is on outdoor antennas, but I am looking for an HD antenna to put in my condo attic.

I'm in Holbrook, south of the LIE between Exits 61 and 62 and I don't have a preference for NY or CT HD stations.

I live within 2 miles of Macarthur Airport, due East of it. Will that affect HD reception?

What antennas would you recommend? Can anyone recommend a local dealer where I can pick up an antenna to try it out over the three-day-weekend?

Hi all ...

I've been doing a lot of reading and hope I can get some help.

Most of the discussion here is on outdoor antennas, but I am looking for an HD antenna to put in my condo attic.

I'm in Holbrook, south of the LIE between Exits 61 and 62 and I don't have a preference for NY or CT HD stations.

I live within 2 miles of Macarthur Airport, due East of it. Will that affect HD reception?

What antennas would you recommend? Can anyone recommend a local dealer where I can pick up an antenna to try it out over the three-day-weekend?

I doubt you're close enough to CT for the Silver Sensor which is an indoor antenna. You're way too far from NY for that either. You MAY be able to use an outdoor antenna in your attic for CT. I'm only 24 miles from the ESB and I had to put the antenna on my roof rather than the attic. You can try LNL in Syosset for recommendations.

I doubt you're close enough to CT for the Silver Sensor which is an indoor antenna. You're way too far from NY for that either. You MAY be able to use an outdoor antenna in your attic for CT. I'm only 24 miles from the ESB and I had to put the antenna on my roof rather than the attic. You can try LNL in Syosset for recommendations.Thanks, dturturro.

Earlier in the thread someone recommended the Radio Shack 15-2160, which is only $29.99. It says it has a 75-mile range, so I'm hoping this will work in the attic. The good news is I can pick this up in the next half-hour (that's my plan, at least!), and if it doesn't work, I'll return it.

I'll also look up LNL, especially if the RatShack special doesn't cut it. :)

I'd be amazed if it worked.

I live in Lake Ronk, just north of the original Sachem High School. ~120 feet above sea level. I think your area of Holbrook is lower: north end of ISP runways are ~ 90'.

I have a 4' high UHF bay antenna, one of the name brand ones, I forget which. With a good preamp to compensate for the ~30 feet of download. On the proverbial 10' pole attached to a 2nd floor gable end. No significant trees or obstructions to my west.

That's what I needed to get the ESB (46.5 miles away), etc. reliably. STILL can't get WNBSC-DT. I had no luck with Conn stations when I last experimented.

But I wish you luck. I started with a RadioShack oudoor yagi and worked my way up...

Thanks for the feedback, and you're right ... Here's where I stand right now:

With the RS 15-2160 in the attic, I can only pull in the following digital NY stations:

21-2 WLIW-DT
21-3 WLIW-3 (WLIW Create)
21-4 WILW-4 (WLIW World)
55-1 WLNY-DT
67-1 WFTY-DT

Reorienting the antenna, the only CT station I get is 43-1 WSAH-DT (CT, Informercials).

Due to the small size of my attic, I really can't go with a "wider" antenna, so my indoor options may be closed. I'll contact LNL in Syosset to see if they have something that may work, but I'm sure they'll say I have to put the antenna up outside, and right now, that's not something I want to do.

Thanks for the feedback, and you're right ... Here's where I stand right now:

With the RS 15-2160 in the attic, I can only pull in the following digital NY stations:

21-2 WLIW-DT
21-3 WLIW-3 (WLIW Create)
21-4 WILW-4 (WLIW World)
55-1 WLNY-DT
67-1 WFTY-DT

Reorienting the antenna, the only CT station I get is 43-1 WSAH-DT (CT, Informercials).

Due to the small size of my attic, I really can't go with a "wider" antenna, so my indoor options may be closed. I'll contact LNL in Syosset to see if they have something that may work, but I'm sure they'll say I have to put the antenna up outside, and right now, that's not something I want to do.

Thanks for the feedback. One of the benefits of OTA to me is that I can tell my co-workers that I get a full 19.2 Mbps for Letterman. I then ask them what bandwidth Cablevision provides them on the WCBS-DT feed. Of course nobody has answer.

Since you're in Holbrook/Islip Town have you gone for the FIOS TV yet? I upgraded to Dish HD, but would have probably gone with FIOS TV if it was franchished in Brookhaven town...

Thanks for the feedback. One of the benefits of OTA to me is that I can tell my co-workers that I get a full 19.2 Mbps for Letterman. I then ask them what bandwidth Cablevision provides them on the WCBS-DT feed. Of course nobody has answer.

Since you're in Holbrook/Islip Town have you gone for the FIOS TV yet? I upgraded to Dish HD, but would have probably gone with FIOS TV if it was franchished in Brookhaven town...Because I'm in a condo, I'm actually in a unique situation with my TV choices...

Our condo association looked into FIOS, and Verizon essentially said we would have to pay for the infrastructure to bring them in. Since the condo also has a great deal with Cablevision (the association actually pays for family cable at a steep discount, and I pay for it through my condo fees with no option to turn off cable), the association didn't want to pursue Verzion, as it would have been too expensive.

So FIOS is not an option, I have to pay for cable, and ... I also voluntarily pay for DIRECTV, whose service I love. I currently have HD through DIRECTV and through cable (an extra $15 a month for the Cablevision DVR and related fees), but really want to get rid of the cable DVR.

My DIRECTV DVRs support OTA, so that's why I wanted to get the local HD channels through an antenna and use my DIRECTV DVR for all viewing.

I supposed I do suffer an embarrassment of riches with my current cable/DIRECTV HD solution, so OTA HD would have been icing on the cake! :)

Because I'm in a condo, I'm actually in a unique situation with my TV choices...

Our condo association looked into FIOS, and Verizon essentially said we would have to pay for the infrastructure to bring them in. Since the condo also has a great deal with Cablevision (the association actually pays for family cable at a steep discount, and I pay for it through my condo fees with no option to turn off cable), the association didn't want to pursue Verzion, as it would have been too expensive.

So FIOS is not an option, I have to pay for cable, and ... I also voluntarily pay for DIRECTV, whose service I love. I currently have HD through DIRECTV and through cable (an extra $15 a month for the Cablevision DVR and related fees), but really want to get rid of the cable DVR.

My DIRECTV DVRs support OTA, so that's why I wanted to get the local HD channels through an antenna and use my DIRECTV DVR for all viewing.

I supposed I do suffer an embarrassment of riches with my current cable/DIRECTV HD solution, so OTA HD would have been icing on the cake! :)


Gotcha.
I had the OTA antenna etc up before I upgraded to Dish HD last month, but I split the signal and fed it into the DISH DVR also. Haven't yet made any real comparison if Letterman (for example) looks better via the Sat or OTA.

I'm curious what LNL or any other competent OTA specialist will tell you.

I still have my original HTPC w/ATI ATSC tuner, and that is still recording Letterman, Ferguson, WLIW-DT stuff (This Old House), etc. The HTPC recordings are also distributed around the house via wired Ethernet. I guesss I could transfer it the laptop for business trips, something I can't do with the Dish DVR, as far as I know. The OTA DTV files are large due to the 19.2 Mbps: half-hour shows are ~4.8 GB, hour shows are ~9 GB. Whether it's HD or SD...

Well, I spoke with LNL. They don't believe I'll get any NYC stations using any antenna in my attic, but think the CM 4228A may work to get CT locals. They're selling it for $55, so that may be worth a try.

I really want CW in HD so I can bring it into my DIRECTV receiver, and I don't care if CW is from CT or NY...

Well, I spoke with LNL. They don't believe I'll get any NYC stations using any antenna in my attic, but think the CM 4228A may work to get CT locals. They're selling it for $55, so that may be worth a try.

I really want CW in HD so I can bring it into my DIRECTV receiver, and I don't care if CW is from CT or NY...

I'm pretty sure that's what I have on my 10' pole. That's a TALL antenna. I was amazed that my wife did not put up more of a fuss.

I wasn't able to receive any Conn stations when I tried but I didn't spend much time at it.

Good luck.

I'm still trying to avoid that 10' pole! :p

Has anyone tried either of these antenna in an attic?

80" Boom Length, 32-Element Antenna (http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103085&cp=2032057.2032187.2032189.2032205&summary=summary&techSpecs=techSpecs&currentTab=techSpecs&custRatings=custRatings&features=features&accessories=accessories&support=support&parentPage=family) (Radio Shack, $59.99, Model: VU-90 XR, Catalog #: 15-2152) -- VHF Range: 90 Miles, UHF Range: 70 miles.

or

160" Long Dual Boom, 57-Element Antenna (http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103087&cp=2032057.2032187.2032189.2032205&summary=summary&techSpecs=techSpecs&currentTab=techSpecs&custRatings=custRatings&features=features&accessories=accessories&support=support&parentPage=family) (Radio Shack, $99.99, Model: VU-190 XR, Catalog #: 15-2156) -- VHF Range: 190 Miles, UHF Range: 100 miles.

I still may be too low, being indoors, but the ranges look good for picking up weaker signals ...

Don't believe those ranges. About the best you can hope for with digital UHF signals is about 60 miles and that's stretching it.

Anyone have any idea when NBC is going to boost their transmitt power to anywhere near their FCC allotted ,so it gets further out to the Island than Western queens ?

No clue!

I do sometimes receive it out @ LIE exit 60. I assume when i receive it that they are succesfull doinking with their equipment. My house is 46.5 miles from the ESB.
I bought a new Panny plasma last weekend. I told it go scan the OTA channels. It found WNBC-DT!

Alas, viewable picture is intermittent.

Now that's interesting ! I'm at Eixt 50, 200' ASL and can't get it at all, either through my Pioneer tuner or through my Tivo HD tuner, which is more sensitive than the Pioneer. CH 2.1, 5.1/2 , 7.1/2, 11.1 all come in ~ 85-90 signal strength on the Tivo. But it's a no go on 4.1.

Now that's interesting ! I'm at Eixt 50, 200' ASL and can't get it at all, either through my Pioneer tuner or through my Tivo HD tuner, which is more sensitive than the Pioneer. CH 2.1, 5.1/2 , 7.1/2, 11.1 all come in ~ 85-90 signal strength on the Tivo. But it's a no go on 4.1.

I would have assumed you'd be able to pick it up there.
I just tuned to it again. This time I get MOSTLY "channel not available", sometimes a picture. I'm at about 120 ASL.

I also had an experince when I got my DISH 622 (December? 07) that one of the tuners (622 or the ATI HDTV "WONDER") I had then actually received it perfectly. By the time I got around to adding it the other tuner a few days later it was gone again.

I tried E-mailing WNBC in the last 1-2 years about this. I got acks from the FCC (I guess it was fwded somehow) but bouncebacks from WNBC. Amusing, but then I rememebered (again) that life was finite & that I had much better things to do with my time.

[QUOTE=vkristof;13266683]I would have assumed you'd be able to pick it up there.
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I've been toying with a friend in Plainview by offering him one of my less capable UHF yagis to get him him up on his roof. I assumed that in Plainview he'd have no problem getting ALL the NYC stations.

i figured i would throw this out here. i thought that after feb 2009 the networks will go back to the vhf band. is there any truth to this? if so, that would be bad for my 91xg uhf antenna i have. just to add to the nbc drama. i live in medford exit 64 between the lie and sunrise hwy. i get all nyc locals, but nbc comes and goes, and i can get all ct locals. nbc is a pita though.

i figured i would throw this out here. i thought that after feb 2009 the networks will go back to the vhf band. is there any truth to this? if so, that would be bad for my 91xg uhf antenna i have. just to add to the nbc drama. i live in medford exit 64 between the lie and sunrise hwy. i get all nyc locals, but nbc comes and goes, and i can get all ct locals. nbc is a pita though.

I had read that the low VHF is being abondonded. If correct, that means WNBC could not go back to it's original VHF CH 4.

It's not being abandoned, but most stations (the smart ones) aren't moving back there. Low VHF suffers from a lot of electrical noise and other interference problems that channels 7 and above don't have. If you have problems with WNBC-DT now, it would be completely unwatchable on channel 4. I know first-hand, I have a digital on channel 3 where I live, and it's completely useless most of the time. Sadly, it's my PBS station, too.

- Trip

I live in huntington on top of a hill that I was told its the 2nd highest point on long island. I went to home depot and got a ge futura antenna for testing. I am using it with a ati wonder 650 card on my computer. I dont have a tv yet just testing out what i can get. I get cbs,fox and abc and they skip a little but I think thats my computer running out of hard drive space. Nbc show zero siginal is there any chance I get a antenna up on the roof it will come in?? I dont want to spend to much on hardware because I could just get cable if it cost to much

Yes I get the digital channels out here in Commack on abeit a lower level and with an outdoor antenna pointed southwest or so.

Yes I get the digital channels out here in Commack on abeit a lower level and with an outdoor antenna pointed southwest or so.

Yes, but I venture to say that you don't get NBC, which is what he is asking?

I get all network channels in East Northport with rooftop antenna on a single story house.

http://www.antennasdirect.com/91XG_HDTV_Antenna.html

Antenna is $99. Total to mount it and connect was under $200.

Good luck.

Depends on the time of year but I have gotten a steady NBC signal.

Where on the Isle of Long are you located ?

I just checked mine and 4.01 is coming in and looks great. I think a lot of the time it is the antenna being asked to do more than it is capable of.

Shadowcaster: As I stated Commack
CountryJoe: Don't you mean 4.1?

Duuuhh....yea, I missed that. A whole 4 posts above my question

I just don't get why NBC won't even get caught by the channel scan.
I'm north of exit 50 LIE, up high, roof antenna. :(

NBC is the toughest nut to crack, however within a year though all the analogs will be gone and hopefully they will be able to pump out their signal better and we'll get it in stronger. Also it depends on what generation tuner you have in your HDTV/recorder, if they we're made sooner rather than later that also makes a difference. The closer to today's date it was made the better it will filter out multipath and and bring in the signal.

Shadowcaster: As I stated Commack
CountryJoe: Don't you mean 4.1?

Hi. Nope. When I go to that channel it displays 004.01 WNBC-DT.

Interesting. What box or TV do you have?

Interesting. What box or TV do you have?

The cable from the antenna is directly into the TV. Mits 65813.

We spend occasional time in a condo on Long Island in Holtsville near family.

Not enough time there to order cable or satellite.

Will have an HDTV converter box from the feds.

Looking to install cheap antenna capable of receiving signals for regular and hdtv.

Need suggestion for antenna and installation service.

Thanks

Just an FYI, I live in Wantagh and I ran RG6 up to my attic and just hooked up an old set of rabbit ears and just let it sit on the rafters and I get almost every channel. I was going to by an antenna but figured let me try the rabbit ears first.
Just in time for the Giants game tomorrow.

Curious if anyone on Long Island receives the PBS affiliate Connecticut Public Television (CPTV) on:

WEDH DT-45 Hartford (PSIP WEDH 24-1) - Went on air August 27, 2008.

WEDN DT-9 Norwich (PSIP 53-1) - Channel change from WEDN DT-45. Went on air August 27, 2008.

WEDW DT-52 Bridgeport (PSIP WEDW 49-1) - Channel to change February 18, 2009 to WEDW DT-49 (PSIP WEDW 49-1).

I've had a Sony 42" HDTV for a year. I receive OTA with ancient roof antenna.

The only HD station I have trouble with is WCBS 2.1. I rarely get a signal.

I'm having a Winegard HD-7084P installed with RG-6 to my 2 sets.

The installer (Home Theater Man) says that this will capture 2.1.

Anyone have similar experience in central Nassau.

Have you tried adjusting the antenna?

The installer is going to adjust the new antenna (Home Theater Man).

The installer is going to adjust the new antenna (Home Theater Man).

I meant did you try adjusting the old antenna to get Ch2?

The old antenna is at least 30 years old.
I thinks it's overdue for a change.

Oddly, at 06:15 AM CBS-DT was coming in better, despite the pouring rain.

The old antenna is at least 30 years old.
I thinks it's overdue for a change.

Oddly, at 06:15 AM CBS-DT was coming in better, despite the pouring rain.

I have a set of rabbit ears laying against my roof rafters and I'm getting all channels. If its old but still works, why not stick with it?

The Winegard HD7084P was installed yesterday by http://www.hometheaterman.com/.

I am now receiving 35 HD channels. CBS 2.1 comes in perfectly, as does 13.1.
I don't even know what some of the new stations are.

I don't even know what some of the new stations are.

http://www.rabbitears.info/market.php?mktid=1

In the sake of full disclosure, that's a link to my site. Hopefully that will help you out. =)

- Trip

Hello,
I am new to this site and new to over the air digital tv. I live exit 59 south of the LIE. I recently installed the AntennasDirect 91XG antenna and PA-18 pre-amp. I have it wired with new quad-shield commscope rg6 throughout. Have one splitter sending to one room with tivohd and the other going to a dtvpal converter box. All of the major networks are coming in great (except wnet, which I read is at low power) ...most are around 70s & 80s...with WNYW-DT fox being the highest at 93 to 98 quality!

My problem is receiving the WPIX-DT signal. It comes and goes, breaks up frequently to the point where its unwatchable. Signal meter shows low 60s or less depending on the time of day. Has anyone been able to get WPIX or is there signal on low power or something? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

I'm a couple of miles north of exit 60. I used to be able to get WPIX-DT w/o a problem. I never watched anything on it, but I used to get it.

I just had BeyondTV scan the channels and WPIX-DT shows as "0". Areas of Ronkonkoma south of 59 are higher than where I live, so you're doing better than I am.

Hmm...yeah when I first installed all this about a month ago, WPIX was fine. Just was looking up channels, and I'm guessing it might be interference from WFSB-DT in CT, which is on 33 like WPIX. Since you're north of the LIE the signal from CT might interfere more for you? Guess there's not much I can do about it. I'd just like to watch the morning news on cw11.

East Northport here, north of Jericho Tpke, Exit 53 and channel 11 comes in fine. Some others are not looking so good. Thanks for making me check. LOL

I'm in Long Beach. At varying times in the day since I got my Tivax converter box (using an older Radio Shack amplified rabbit ears/plastic loop VHF/UHF antenna), I've been able to pick up:

WCBS-DT
WNBC-DT w/ subchannels
WNYW-DT w/ subchannel (4:3 SD WWOR-TV simulcast)
WABC-DT w/ subchannels
WLIW-DT w/ subchannels
WNYE-DT w/ subchannel
WFTY-DT

Right now, my most stable positioning picks up:

WCBS-DT
WNBC-DT w/ subchannels
WABC-DT w/ subchannels
WLIW-DT w/ subchannels

I'm very curious to see how things change after the transition.

Also, I found it interesting that WNYW-DT2 was 480x480 (as opposed to 704 or 720x480 for almost everything else) and both of WNYE's channels were a mere 352x480. I get the traffic cam channel being a lower resolution, but geez.

Curious if anyone on Long Island can receive and watches CPTV on:

WEDH DT-45 Hartford, PSIP 24-1 & 24-2
WEDW DT-49 Bridgeport, PSIP 49-1 & 49-2
WEDN DT-9 Norwich, PSIP 53-1 & 53-2
WEDY DT-6 New Haven, PSIP 65-1 & 65-1

And report the signal level and general quality.

No activity since last post 3/21/09. Is everyone at the beach?

Thank you,