Has to be.... not true HD, stretch vision :confused:
Not stretch-o-vision. Just a 16:9 standard def camera.

Can anyone tell me what’s holding back the Shreveport locals from passing their HD signal to Direct TV? According to the Direct site, more 90 markets have local HD service and 20 plus sites are scheduled.

Can anyone tell me what’s holding back the Shreveport locals from passing their HD signal to Direct TV? According to the Direct site, more 90 markets have local HD service and 20 plus sites are scheduled.DiredTv is the hold back.

That doesn't make sense to me. If DirectTv is the problem, how have other markets , and some much smaller, able to get their HD locals on Direct's system?

I have noticed a influx of 3-4 sec black out on all the local/all HD channels, it happens at random times through out the day and night. :confused: Comcast has been out many times and have said every thing is fine, they tell me it must be the network. :mad:

Dish is starting to schedule equipment deliveries at the local pickup facility for the "Digital Transition". At this stage, I have no information as to how much resolution and bandwidth these new equipments will provide, SD or HD. But they are finally moving.

@Tbulliard,
It is not "the market" that decides or does anything. The market is just a Nielsen DMA number. It is up to the players in the market to get moving with the project, and they do so usually based on their own strategic decisions. Imho, the fact that the Shreveport DMA comes so late in the game is maybe due to a lower HD-ready ratio.
All local affiliates stations would love to have HD on the birds, there really is no reason for a broadcaster to actively want to have less audience, it is counter-productive.
In the war between Sats and Cable providers, I have often heard disingenuous "reasons" for HD not being available for locals, from both sides, including "the affiliates don't want us to provide HD". That is a very disturbing statement, but they indeed allude to it, or sometimes blatantly say so.

The main reason, Imho, is Bandwidth, or rather, the lack of it. A Standard def picture can be squeezed in 2.5 Mbps with not much loss, or at least losses that will not be very noticeable on a SD set of normal size. An HD channel is another story, and the sat providers have had to launch more birds to carry all that extra bandwidth. It costs money and it takes time. In the mean time, some channels have been compressed and stat-muxed some more, in order to save bandwidth, again.

@96 Corvette,
is this on all networks ? If so it's got to be either your local feed or your set/DVR.

@96 Corvette,
is this on all networks ? If so it's got to be either your local feed or your set/DVR.

Unfortunate, I notice most of the black outs on the local chs, comcast just left and as usual said nothing was wrong. He did switch out my HD DVR SA 8300 box, when I say black outs I mean complete no video and no audio which last 3-4 sec and do this on HD only. :confused: thanks

Unfortunate, I notice most of the black outs on the local chs, comcast just left and as usual said nothing was wrong. He did switch out my HD DVR SA 8300 box, when I say black outs I mean complete no video and no audio which last 3-4 sec and do this on HD only. :confused: thanks

I have skips of about half a second sometimes, with a high pitch squeal or pop, or sometimes tiling, but no 3-4 second blackout you speak of. This is on HD local with same box you have.

That doesn't make sense to me. If DirectTv is the problem, how have other markets , and some much smaller, able to get their HD locals on Direct's system?Ksla explained most of it above. It comes down to bandwidth. Throw in there whether the bandwidth is available on a specific transponder. Local stations and the main network offices have blame in it as well. The local stations (and network HQ) lobbied to the FCC to make sure that local stations are broadcast only to the local markets they originate from. This brings in the complication of spotbeams on the satellites. So they not only need the available bandwidth on a particular satellite, but they also need the bandwidth room on a specific transponder that is capable of being limited to that market. That is why some smaller markets already have their locals in HD while larger markets are not. The bandwidth was available in that particular location AND it was available on a spotbeam.

Even though the networks created the problem of spotbeams, it is still up to DirecTv to dedicate the satellite/bandwidth resources to provide the service to you and comply with Federal Regulations.

There are still a few markets that are available to the whole Continental US, but those are slowly being moved to spotbeams as new satellites are launched.

I guess it was the STB, DVR SA HD 8300 that was the problem no black outs.... so far :)

I guess it was the STB, DVR SA HD 8300 that was the problem no black outs.... so far :)

Are you using a HDMI cable? I've heard of intermittant problems occuring when using them.

Are you using a HDMI cable? I've heard of intermittant problems occuring when using them.

yes, still no black outs, at this point it looks like it was the DVR :)

Dish is starting to schedule equipment deliveries at the local pickup facility for the "Digital Transition". At this stage, I have no information as to how much resolution and bandwidth these new equipments will provide, SD or HD. But they are finally moving.

If everything goes according to plans, dish and directv should start using the digital feed on/after 12-8-08 for Shreveport. See # 128 on the list
See link http://mstv.org/docs/sattransschedule.pdf

@dennispap,
Digital reception doesn't necessarily mean HD. From what I gather, this will be an SD pickup. I will maybe know more today, we have a contractor visiting us this afternoon.
Maybe I'll pour some schnapps in his coffee or something and get him to talk.... :c)

Anybody having problem with CSI last night ?
Thanks.

@dennispap,
Digital reception doesn't necessarily mean HD. From what I gather, this will be an SD pickup. I will maybe know more today, we have a contractor visiting us this afternoon.
Maybe I'll pour some schnapps in his coffee or something and get him to talk.... :c)

Anybody having problem with CSI last night ?
Thanks.I have it DVR'd and am going to watch it tonight.

@dennispap,
Digital reception doesn't necessarily mean HD. From what I gather, this will be an SD pickup. I will maybe know more today, we have a contractor visiting us this afternoon.
Maybe I'll pour some schnapps in his coffee or something and get him to talk.... :c)

Anybody having problem with CSI last night ?
Thanks.

I completely lost the signal on 12.1 for about 10 minutes. Lots of breakup on the picture too. The SD channel 12, seem to be fine.

@dennispap,
Digital reception doesn't necessarily mean HD. From what I gather, this will be an SD pickup. I will maybe know more today, we have a contractor visiting us this afternoon.
Maybe I'll pour some schnapps in his coffee or something and get him to talk.... :c)

Anybody having problem with CSI last night ?
Thanks.

I didnt mean to confuse anyone.( or get their HD hopes up)I wasnt saying that the sat companies was going to offer the hd locals, but were going to switch from analog to digital. From what i have heard, when they do this, the sd picture is better thru the sat companies. Will have to see when they do the New orleans switch mid dec. if that is true.

I went from HDMI to composite just to see if there was any difference. I have always had out standing video quality. But, after making the switch I was surprised to see a BIG difference. The 8300 DVR must be tuned for composite video, also I am using the TV to set the video to 720, or 1080i no up scaling from the DVR

Anybody having problem with CSI last night ?
Thanks.Watched it. Occasional macro blocking but better than my last complaint about The Unit. For CSI it was clearly evident in the opening credits. But it also was visible a couple of times more throughout the show.

The main problem that struck me during the show is what I call Snap, Crackle, Pop. 3 or 4 times there was a video hiccup. During those times there was also an audio snap/crackle. At about twice the level of the play volume. Like a lightning strike. Hopefully it didn't pop my speakers.


Back to the macro blocking. Check out the Dish Turbo HD commercials you guys run. Didn't see any during CSI tonight,(but I skipped the commercials :D) but everytime I see the Dish Turbo HD commercial on KSLA, there is macro blocking. Check it out next time it is scheduled to air.

I went from HDMI to composite just to see if there was any difference. I have always had out standing video quality. But, after making the switch I was surprised to see a BIG difference. The 8300 DVR must be tuned for composite video, also I am using the TV to set the video to 720, or 1080i no up scaling from the DVR

Do you know how to change the resolution on this box with the new software? Before it was straight forward 1080, 720, 480. I don't see that anywhere on this software. thanks

Do you know how to change the resolution on this box with the new software? Before it was straight forward 1080, 720, 480. I don't see that anywhere on this software. thanks


It is the same you have to set the box up, it is now called SARA


http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=471859&highlight=sara

Ksla explained most of it above. It comes down to bandwidth. Throw in there whether the bandwidth is available on a specific transponder. Local stations and the main network offices have blame in it as well. The local stations (and network HQ) lobbied to the FCC to make sure that local stations are broadcast only to the local markets they originate from. This brings in the complication of spotbeams on the satellites. So they not only need the available bandwidth on a particular satellite, but they also need the bandwidth room on a specific transponder that is capable of being limited to that market. That is why some smaller markets already have their locals in HD while larger markets are not. The bandwidth was available in that particular location AND it was available on a spotbeam.

Even though the networks created the problem of spotbeams, it is still up to DirecTv to dedicate the satellite/bandwidth resources to provide the service to you and comply with Federal Regulations.

There are still a few markets that are available to the whole Continental US, but those are slowly being moved to spotbeams as new satellites are launched.

Thank you for your response. Has Direct given any time table as to when they will have the available bandwidth? For the people who live out on the fringes where OTA is hit or miss, this is an important issue. Especially, since the locals won't sign waivers so I can get national HD stations.

Thank you for your response. Has Direct given any time table as to when they will have the available bandwidth? For the people who live out on the fringes where OTA is hit or miss, this is an important issue. Especially, since the locals won't sign waivers so I can get national HD stations.Dick and Dave are always ambiguous on future local markets. I have dick so I don't follow Dave. With Dick there are certain ways to get around spotbeams. Same may be available with Dave. PM me with where you live. No address, just city/state and I will see what I can find for Dave.

Funny thing is, nutworks lobbied to .gov/FCC for restrictions on spotbeams over satellites. Now it is biting them in the butt due to bandwidth required by non OTA providers because people want HD. It is limiting their coverage for customers that can't get get OTA but are in their market. People want HD. HD is what saved the networks from extinction. The broadcast networks were headed to the ashbin of broadcasting till HD(actually 'digital broadcasting') came along and the FCC required digital broadcasting (not necessarily HD). And they have limited their customer base with spotbeams on. You have to LOL :D They use lobbiests to change the law in their favor. And their stipulations to the FCC deny Digital TV to the very customers they are trying to retain.

Dumbasses!!!!

Notice how KSLA-eng has been quiet on the subject?

A lot of audio popping during the HD LSU game :confused:

Here is some relevant information, courtesy of rbr.com;
Dish adds local-to-local HD markets
Dish Network is now offering satellite delivery of high definition local channels in eight more markets: Charleston-Huntington, WV; Cincinnati, OH; Harrisburg-Lancaster-Lebanon-York, PA; Jacksonville, FL; Lexington, KY; Little Rock-Pine Bluff, AR; Louisville, KY; and Wichita Falls, TX-Lawton, OK. With those additions, Dish says it now offers local channels in 84 markets reaching 76% of US TV households.

Now, Shreveport is DMA 86 so it looks like it is getting close.

@Ronald_Jeremy
I have been deliberately quiet on the subject of spotbeam and market protection because this is not the proper forum.

@Ronald_Jeremy
I have been deliberately quiet on the subject of spotbeam and market protection because this is not the proper forum.[/QUOTE]

What is the proper forum? Is this subject matter that you don't want to tell the public?

@tbulliard,
I do not know what the proper forum is.
as you know, I work for a local broadcaster; not for a DBS provider.
I can not tell you what their plans are, nor elaborate on why or when they do and do not do things. I could express my own opinions about the subject matter, and maybe debate those opinions with the good people of this forum, but it would not relate directly to HDTV reception in Shreveport LA market. It would relate to politics, socio-economics, psychology, science and other subject matter that I feel are not appropriate for this forum.
Did I answer your question ?

@tbulliard,
I do not know what the proper forum is.
as you know, I work for a local broadcaster; not for a DBS provider.
I can not tell you what their plans are, nor elaborate on why or when they do and do not do things. I could express my own opinions about the subject matter, and maybe debate those opinions with the good people of this forum, but it would not relate directly to HDTV reception in Shreveport LA market. It would relate to politics, socio-economics, psychology, science and other subject matter that I feel are not appropriate for this forum.
Did I answer your question ?

Wow!! Seem to have struck a nerve. I thought the purpose of a open forum was to discuss/share our opinions.

Wow!! Seem to have struck a nerve. I thought the purpose of a open forum was to discuss/share our opinions.

I also work for a broadcasting group (ComCorp) and I will attempt to explain the spotbeam issue as simply as possible here.

When the FCC mandated that DBS providers must supply local-into-local service to all top 100 markets, it was quickly determined by the DBS providers that they would not have enough bandwidth to accomplish this.

The satellites that were put in place to accomplish the task needed to have mutiple antennas (spotbeams) to allow them to operate transponders covering areas of the US on the same frequency.

There was simply no other way that they could accomplish the feat of delivering over 600 local stations to their appropriate markets.

Contrary to numerous staements on this and other HD forums, the decision to use spotbeam transponders had nothing to do with broadcasters.

It was a simple matter of physics!

Louis Strowger
VP of Engineering
Communications Corporation of America

I also work for a broadcasting group (ComCorp) and I will attempt to explain the spotbeam issue as simply as possible here.

When the FCC mandated that DBS providers must supply local-into-local service to all top 100 markets, it was quickly determined by the DBS providers that they would not have enough bandwidth to accomplish this.

The satellites that were put in place to accomplish the task needed to have mutiple antennas (spotbeams) to allow them to operate transponders covering areas of the US on the same frequency.

There was simply no other way that they could accomplish the feat of delivering over 600 local stations to their appropriate markets.

Contrary to numerous staements on this and other HD forums, the decision to use spotbeam transponders had nothing to do with broadcasters.

It was a simple matter of physics!

Louis Strowger
VP of Engineering
Communications Corporation of America

all that is fine and dandy.... if you are associated with FOX 33 I would reason you guys try to *fix* your HD audio problem, not just me is complaining, I would reason the complete viewing market should be. :confused:

Contrary to numerous staements on this and other HD forums, the decision to use spotbeam transponders had nothing to do with broadcasters.

It was a simple matter of physics!

Louis Strowger
VP of Engineering
Communications Corporation of America

Contrary to your statement, by lobbying Congress and the FCC by the networks, the requirements of not broadcasting overlaps of DMAs required(I can italicize, underline, and change the color of text too :D ) it necessitated the need for spotbeams. I agree with you on the premise behind the frequency issues. But the networks created the problem. Spotbeams were the only solutution. And we, your customers(the people that are keeping you employed), are the ones that are suffering. I realize that YOU did not make the decision yourself, but to defend your companies is wrong. And you know it is wrong.

And if they were required to feed all the locals to all areas of the country, it would have been impossible and there would probably be no Shreveport locals at all because there's simply not enough bandwidth to do it.

Knock the market system if you want (I agree with you, people should be able to get neighboring markets) but spotbeams are the only way to get locals to the whole country. What good would getting Yakima WA locals do you anyway?

- Trip

And if they were required to feed all the locals to all areas of the country, it would have been impossible and there would probably be no Shreveport locals at all because there's simply not enough bandwidth to do it.

Knock the market system if you want (I agree with you, people should be able to get neighboring markets) but spotbeams are the only way to get locals to the whole country. What good would getting Yakima WA locals do you anyway?

- TripI don't know? Perhaps allowing you to record two different network programs at the same time. I have Dish. I can record 3 different things at the same time. Two over satellite, and one over OTA. Since Shreveport locals are not available over the dish(in HD), if I want to record something on one of the local networks I cannot record or watch something else in the same time slot if I want.

Dish still has a few local markets still on a CONUS beam. I also actually happen to have a house in that market and I move back and forth several times a year. I bring my DVR with me. So basically, I get the 4 majors over the satellite as well as OTA. Most of my viewing is done on the major 4. I can now record two stations of the major 4 in the same time slot.

Maybe that is why. When the spotbeam conversion is final, that will not be possible if your market is not carried over the satellite (which also carries an inferior signal to antenna)

I think you missed my point.

I agree with you that neighboring markets should be allowed, and I completely understand your reasoning. However, what I'm saying is that the spotbeams are required or else there wouldn't be any Shreveport locals at all due to capacity concerns. Little Rock's spotbeam should still be receivable in Shreveport, or would be if not for the market system, but why should all the locals all be CONUS?

- Trip

I think you missed my point.

I agree with you that neighboring markets should be allowed, and I completely understand your reasoning. However, what I'm saying is that the spotbeams are required or else there wouldn't be any Shreveport locals at all due to capacity concerns. Little Rock's spotbeam should still be receivable in Shreveport, or would be if not for the market system, but why should all the locals all be CONUS?

- Trip

The basic issue is copyright.
Local stations hold the copyright to the network programming and sell local commercials within that programming.

Cable systems have not been allowed to bring in out of market network stations for the last 30 years.

Why should the satellite services be allowed to violate copyright when the cable systems aren't.

These SHIVA rules were pushed by the cable companies just as hard as the networks and local broadcasters.

Cable companies supply local stations to their customers at no charge.
Satellite services charge the customers a fee for the same service.

How is this fair market practice?

Cable companies supply local stations to their customers at no charge.
Satellite services charge the customers a fee for the same service.

How is this fair market practice?

Cable isn't free, so are they really giving it to you for "free"? Yes, the satellites do charge an extra fee. Probably the only way they can come close to recouping the receive site equipment, rent, and data link charges in each market.

I remember the early days of cable when cable's only source for stations source was a tall tower loaded with directional TV antennas, satellite was unheard of until WTBS & HBO came along.

I lived in central Louisiana and we had stations from Alexandria, Lafayette, Monroe, and Jackson MS on the cable, so there were multiple choices for a given network. But that was more than 30 years ago.

KAQY has announced they will reduce analog power on 12-20-08. Does this mean they will power up thier mythical HDTV signal power at the same time?
This would be a very nice Christmas present from them.

KAQY has announced they will reduce analog power on 12-20-08. Does this mean they will power up thier mythical HDTV signal power at the same time?
This would be a very nice Christmas present from them.

No. KAQY is going to be relocating to the KNOE tower, but they want to reuse the KAQY transmitter. So they're taking half the transmitter to the KNOE site to install it for 02/17/09.

- Trip

No. KAQY is going to be relocating to the KNOE tower, but they want to reuse the KAQY transmitter. So they're taking half the transmitter to the KNOE site to install it for 02/17/09

So this will have no effect on OTA only viewers?

Lemme get this straight....KAQY, which is going to flash cut to channel 11 is moving their transmitter to KNOE's site? Unless the KNOE tower is higher, I don't see the point in it.

No effect on OTA viewers yet. The good news is, I suppose, that when they do flash-cut to DT-11, there'll only be one tower instead of two. Not sure how big of a move it is, might make things slightly easier...

KNOE bought KAQY and doesn't want to manage two tower sites.

- Trip

Cable isn't free, so are they really giving it to you for "free"? Yes, the satellites do charge an extra fee. Probably the only way they can come close to recouping the receive site equipment, rent, and data link charges in each market.

I remember the early days of cable when cable's only source for stations source was a tall tower loaded with directional TV antennas, satellite was unheard of until WTBS & HBO came along.

I lived in central Louisiana and we had stations from Alexandria, Lafayette, Monroe, and Jackson MS on the cable, so there were multiple choices for a given network. But that was more than 30 years ago.

Something like the OTA TV stations being required by the FCC to install and operate two full power transmitters for the past two years with no revenue return?

KNOE bought KAQY and doesn't want to manage two tower sites.

- Trip

Okay, *that* explains it.

BTW, KAQY analog went on the air 10 years ago today. I was trying to find something on their website about the power down and found that tidbit of information.

Just noticed new HD channels:

406-GOLFH -Full time golf ch (active)

446- DSCSC- name unknown (not active)

448- VS HD- Versus full time (active)

450- SPDHD Speed vision (not active)

451- FXHD -FX (not active)

Something like the OTA TV stations being required by the FCC to install and operate two full power transmitters for the past two years with no revenue return?You haven't been required. You chose to. You are not required to have a digital transmitter up and going until February.

And you should also thank your lucky stars. HD saved the networks. I call that a pretty good return.

You haven't been required. You chose to. You are not required to have a digital transmitter up and going until February.

What? Yes they have. The FCC required stations to have a signal on the air by May 1, 2003, and a full-powered signal by July 1, 2006.

- Trip

I stand corrected then. The second part of my statement stands though. LOL

LOL. Fox44CE agrees with me about HD saving the networks then somehow the post magically disappears. LOL Second thoughts about agreeing with me or the comment about marketing HD?

Either way, I know it is a futile request, but networks P L E A S E ease up on the "Big Switch" commercials!!! It is commercials, crawls, animated graphics at the bottom of the screen during TV shows, and news stories!!!! Every news cast mentions it. "Are you ready?" It is too much!!!! :( I am ready. :D Have been for about 4 years. Now I am ready to throw something through my TV. :eek:

You'd be surprised how many people won't be ready on 02/17/09. The stations want to be able to go to the FCC and say "we did all we could."

- Trip

The KSLA-DT Construction Permit to increase ERP to 350 kWatts has been granted.
When the project is completed, (sometimes in 2009) this should provide better reception on the fringe areas, and allow more metro viewers to use rickety rabbit ears instead of real men antennas.

LOL. Fox44CE agrees with me about HD saving the networks then somehow the post magically disappears. LOL Second thoughts about agreeing with me or the comment about marketing HD?

Either way, I know it is a futile request, but networks P L E A S E ease up on the "Big Switch" commercials!!! It is commercials, crawls, animated graphics at the bottom of the screen during TV shows, and news stories!!!! Every news cast mentions it. "Are you ready?" It is too much!!!! :( I am ready. :D Have been for about 4 years. Now I am ready to throw something through my TV. :eek:

I agree,let them run the crawls and graphics on the analog feed only.
If i am watching the digital feed then i am obviously ready/ ok

LOL. Fox44CE agrees with me about HD saving the networks then somehow the post magically disappears. LOL Second thoughts about agreeing with me or the comment about marketing HD?

Either way, I know it is a futile request, but networks P L E A S E ease up on the "Big Switch" commercials!!! It is commercials, crawls, animated graphics at the bottom of the screen during TV shows, and news stories!!!! Every news cast mentions it. "Are you ready?" It is too much!!!! :( I am ready. :D Have been for about 4 years. Now I am ready to throw something through my TV. :eek:

All stations are required to air and report to the FCC a specific number of DTV educational announcements per day until the digital transition date. The rule specifically states that the announcements must be aired on analog and digital channels.

I do agree with you as I said in the earlier post that the more HD is available the better.

The KSLA-DT Construction Permit to increase ERP to 350 kWatts has been granted.
When the project is completed, (sometimes in 2009) this should provide better reception on the fringe areas, and allow more metro viewers to use rickety rabbit ears instead of real men antennas.

Great news for real antennas too. Bet KSLA@350kW will work for me at any antenna orientation.

Been awhile since I've been in here....just wanted to swing by and wish all of you a Merry Christmas.

Lotta issues when Y&R begins lately. Entire episode in SD today.

Windham9,
Sorry about the Young and Restless, we had to get the whole LNB / terrestrial filter out of the Cassegrain dish that feeds the network HD receivers....water ingress.
We've put a few layer of plastic above the window temporarily, it should take care of it until we fix the RF window.

I wish all the good people of this forum a Merry Christmas with your Loved Ones.

Please excuse my ignorance but I'm just starting to pay attention to OTA reception again.

I have a "batwing" type antenna (don't know the specifics). Just hooked it back up after a year or more of non-use. Received KTBS 3-1 and KMSS 33-1 pretty well. KSLA 12-1 has enough pixelation to be frustrating. KTAL 6-1 goes in and out - pretty much unwatchable. According to AntennaWeb I'm 20-21 miles from the towers except KTAL which is 37 miles away.

Do I need to get a better antenna? Or will Directv automatically be sending the digital versions of the stations after February 17? Will anything easy clean up the KSLA signal?

I just got a better HDTV (50" plasma) and the SD format sent by Directv is frustrating to me. I'd like to get the channels in their native formats.

Vic

Where in Shreveport are you? That will make a difference as to what antenna to get. Channel 6's tower is not with the other towers and might require an antenna that has a wider range. Is your batwing antenna about3-4 feet long? I had one of those and it wasn't worth a crap. I didn't buy it. It was provided to me by VOOM!

I live about a mile from the old AT&T plant on Mansfield Road in the Briarcliff subdivision.

Yes the batwing is about 3 ft long. It was supplied by Directv a few years ago when I got my HD Directivo. When I "upgraded" to the HD Directv DVR they couldn't split the signal between the sat and the antenna so I've just gone without the antenna since. (At that time my HDTV was only a 32" so it didn't make much difference.) Now I have the larger TV with the 16:9 ratio so it has become more important to me.

All of your towers are within 3 degrees of each other so just a longer range antenna should be needed since channel 6 tower is about 16 miles further from you than the other ones.

But if you also get your locals through Direct, then you don't need to do anything. You will still get them in SD over the dish. You just need the antenna if you want to get the HD version until Direct starts carrying them in HD. Your satellite programming is already digital.

On a side note: Obama wants to delay the transition!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad:
I am sick of the countdown!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://tech.yahoo.com/news/ap/20090108/ap_on_hi_te/tec_digital_tv_transition_1

3.*, 12.* and 33.* have been consistent for me over the past months and I am over 47 miles from the towers unlike 6.1 lately it's signal quality has dropped from 90-95% Signal Strentgh to 20-30% and TONS of pixelation. I also noticed comcast stopped carrying the signals on there analog service i.e. 4.1, 7.1, 13.1 what gives with that?

@Veritas0Aequitas
Interesting info about Comcast. I just talked with them 2 weeks ago and they confirmed that they would continue to carry the Locals in HD in the clear in 256QUAM.
Maybe this is temporary and part of the re-shuffling of channels. I would greatly appreciate if you could keep me posted on this in let's say a week from now, Veritas0Aequitas.

As for the delaying of the NTSC cut off, I think it is a typical attempt by politicians at last minute fear-mongering pressure.
Yes there is still 7 % of viewers unprepared in the Shreveport DMA (official Nielsen number), but this 7 % will never be ready. They will call the stations on Feb. 18 at 6:00 am, DEMANDING that their God-given, Constitutionally guarantee RIGHT to FREE Television be satisfied without them even lifting a finger.
Politicians need to realize that some folks just can't be helped because they can't help themselves. And I am (trying) not to say this in a demeaning manner, it is just the way things are. And yes, part of it is because these folks watch too much television.
/rant -off
Thank you.

With my setup both 3-1 and 12-1 pixlate at times (signals run in the low 40s). This can very frustrating when you miss some of the dialog because of it. 6-1 , 21-1 and 24-1 are unwatchable (often with no signal at all).

33-1 seems have the strongest signal (signal in the 80s). I watched part of the football game last night and it was beautiful. If I got all my locals like that, I wouldn't have to buy anything.

I suspect I'll end up buying a new antenna possibly with a signal booster. If anyone has recommendations about a local vendor/installer in the Shreveport area, I would appreciate it.

Vic

For those of you interested in the Big switch postponement debacle, here is a link that sums it up pretty well;
DTV Delay Bad, Opposing Delay Worse (http://www.tvnewsday.com/articles/2009/01/09/daily.5/)

@vphares
I was amazed at the Clearstream (http://www.htmart.com/product.php?productid=690&cat=29&page=1)product, it's UHF only tho, so it won't work for you in Shreveport.
Usual disclaimers apply, I do not endorse the product or the vendor.
I am glad you are looking for a professional to do the job, if you do plan on doing this yourself, please do exercise caution around ladders and power lines!

Time to give Paul Carmouche a call.

But he is goiong to support Obama nayway.

I suspect I'll end up buying a new antenna possibly with a signal booster. If anyone has recommendations about a local vendor/installer in the Shreveport area, I would appreciate it.

Vic
I do not know of anyone locally that does installs but I use a Terrestrial digital 91XG for all my OTA reception and have not had any troubles out of it at 40ft elevation on an mast. Just placed grounding rods at the base and They make smaller units that should still be in the ranges you need.

I do not know of anyone locally that does installs but I use a Terrestrial digital 91XG for all my OTA reception and have not had any troubles out of it at 40ft elevation on an mast. Just placed grounding rods at the base and They make smaller units that should still be in the ranges you need.

About your signature...Analog HD channels?

About your signature...Analog HD channels?

Refers to my service level with comcast (Analog) yet being able to receive digital channels.

Refers to my service level with comcast (Analog) yet being able to receive digital channels.If TBS or USA (and most times A&E) networks were on fire, I wouldn't pee on them to put the fire out. Stretch-o-vision sucks monkey balls. But is is good you get them for free. Makes 'em worth the money. ;)

Refers to my service level with comcast (Analog) yet being able to receive digital channels.

Any analog subscriber can see the digital streams. Pretty cool that you can see more than just local HD's though. I wouldn't advertise those though, as usually when the correct people find out about they tend to fix them.

I do not know of anyone locally that does installs but I use a Terrestrial digital 91XG for all my OTA reception and have not had any troubles out of it at 40ft elevation on an mast. Just placed grounding rods at the base and They make smaller units that should still be in the ranges you need.

VOA,

That's a good antenna, I noticed KLTS 24-1 (LPB's HD) is missing from your list, you can't get it?

Any analog subscriber can see the digital streams. Pretty cool that you can see more than just local HD's though. I wouldn't advertise those though, as usually when the correct people find out about they tend to fix them.
I thought this happened because atsc tuners are able to tune with certain ranges of some digital channels?

VOA,

That's a good antenna, I noticed KLTS 24-1 (LPB's HD) is missing from your list, you can't get it?
I receive it fine I just forgot to list it.
Far as being able to pickup the local's over comcast I found them after doing a few channel searchs hiding out on:
80-2 KTBS
80-15 KTAL
83-5 KLTS
90-21 KSLA
90-33 KMSS

Can someone recommend a solution for this if you can? I live in Monroe, and have a winegard omnidirectional antenna and it picks up all locals with a pretty high signal strength, even KTBS in Shreveport, although KARD, KTVE, and KTBS are constantly dropping out. I'm not so much worried about KTBS, just the other two along with KNOE which I don't have a problem with. We've added a booster but it hasn't really helped and I haven't found another antenna that solves the problem yet. If someone could suggest a better setup I would really appreciate it. I am wanting to try to stay away from getting a rotor if I can. Maybe combining two directional antennas?

Thanks

I thought this happened because atsc tuners are able to tune with certain ranges of some digital channels?


No.. if you hook up a TV without a QAM capable tuner you wouldn't get those. Your local company just forgot to flip the encryption "switch" on those channels. Most of the time you just see the locals provided on the system since they aren't supposed to encrypt those.

Kind of like in the KU/C band digital satellite world...if you find a pay TV channel that isn't encrypted stay quiet so the wrong people won't find out ;)

Can someone recommend a solution for this if you can? I live in Monroe, and have a winegard omnidirectional antenna and it picks up all locals with a pretty high signal strength, even KTBS in Shreveport, although KARD, KTVE, and KTBS are constantly dropping out. I'm not so much worried about KTBS, just the other two along with KNOE which I don't have a problem with. We've added a booster but it hasn't really helped and I haven't found another antenna that solves the problem yet. If someone could suggest a better setup I would really appreciate it. I am wanting to try to stay away from getting a rotor if I can. Maybe combining two directional antennas?

Thanks
I live in Marion Louisiana and I have the Channel Master 4228. IT work Great. I have had it for 2 years with excellent results.

I live in Marion Louisiana and I have the Channel Master 4228. IT work Great. I have had it for 2 years with excellent results.


You don't have a rotor for your antenna? Do you pick up all these channels with no dropouts?

Can someone recommend a solution for this if you can? I live in Monroe, and have a winegard omnidirectional antenna and it picks up all locals with a pretty high signal strength, even KTBS in Shreveport, although KARD, KTVE, and KTBS are constantly dropping out. I'm not so much worried about KTBS, just the other two along with KNOE which I don't have a problem with. We've added a booster but it hasn't really helped and I haven't found another antenna that solves the problem yet. If someone could suggest a better setup I would really appreciate it. I am wanting to try to stay away from getting a rotor if I can. Maybe combining two directional antennas?

Thanks

Which omni is that, the one shaped like a flying saucer? If so I had one of those (the Channel Master version) that has the amp built-in, I had it up around 35' and it did okay and I got KTBS occasionally on it too.

About where are located you and how high do you have the antenna?

Do you have ghosting on the analog channels?

Amplifiers are only good to make up for cable or splitter loss and best to be mounted at the antenna. It's better to use good cable or keep the run short.

I've since installed that omni antenna down in central LA at my father's house and it doesn't do as well as I expected, it does better on VHF than UHF.

The 4228 is one I had in mind, most of our signals in Monroe (I live here too) are north and south and I figure the antenna will pick up enough from the rear to get a signal, now to point it north to Huttig and get Riverton/Columbia off the rear or vice-versa, can't answer without trying it.

The 4228 specs state it does channel 7 and up thru UHF... We'll have 4 VHF DTVs available here after the transistion smoke clears:
KNOE 8,
KETZ 10,
KAQY 11,
KLTM 13

If the Feds decide to lengthen the wait, will this effect stations such as KAQY in Monroe or the Monroe PBS from going full power? Or will they wait and keep us hanging until what looks like June.

If the feds decide to lengthen the wait, will this effect stations such as KAQY in Monroe or the Monroe PBS from going full power? Or will they wait and keep us hanging until what looks like June.

If any delay is implemented I hope it's optional, if made mandatory it could be a real train wreck. Many stations have tower leases and contracts that are expiring because this was planned, plus the cost of keeping two transmitters going is expensive.

As far as I know things are moving ahead with the two stations you asked about.

Thanks Txrover. It really is hard to believe anyone that has OTA only does not know about this switch. It just lets you know some folk need to be slapped right in the face to see what is right in front of them. My 82 year old aunt and 73 year old mother know about it and I didn't even have to tell them.

You don't have a rotor for your antenna? Do you pick up all these channels with no dropouts?

I have very few dropouts.
Sometimes, the Tropos effect my system but rarely.
I keep my CM 4228 pointed towards KNOE.
I pickup these digital stations without issue:

KNOE Channel 8
KTVE Channel 10
Channel 12 PBS (Tower in Huttig, AR with KTVE)
Channel 13 PBS ( No power issue ever)
KARD Channel 14
Channel 39( This channel can dropout with me)

I also pickup KAQY Channel 11 Analog good(7 on a 10 scale). I am hoping to have no Issues when they go digital.

I also have a CM 3041 Preamp with my CM 4228. I have had this setup over 2 years. I am approx 20 foot in the air.A Rotor might be necessary for you in Monroe.
You will be approx 40-60 miles from KTVE Transmitter.
I am approx 15 miles.
The CM 4228 does a excellent job on the back end for me and my location and it also does great on upper VHF.
I would try it without a Rotor if Money is a issue. If it does not work, get the Rotor.

I believe the CM4228 is a antenna of the past.
I guess the CM4228HD is as good?
I did tie wrap my wire screen together because I read this helps with VHF. Does it help? I really do not know but 5 or 6 tie wraps are cheap.

OTA Antennas are a excellent compliment to any Big Screen HD Television.
I find it Hilarious when someone buys a 50" Television but does not upgrade to HD Content.
When they do "upgrade" SD sucks and they ask themselves why they waited so long.

For VHF and UHF areas I've heard really good reviews on this antenna from CM

http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?PROD=CM2016

All of your towers are within 3 degrees of each other so just a longer range antenna should be needed since channel 6 tower is about 16 miles further from you than the other ones.

But if you also get your locals through Direct, then you don't need to do anything. You will still get them in SD over the dish. You just need the antenna if you want to get the HD version until Direct starts carrying them in HD. Your satellite programming is already digital.

On a side note: Obama wants to delay the transition!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad:
I am sick of the countdown!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://tech.yahoo.com/news/ap/20090108/ap_on_hi_te/tec_digital_tv_transition_1

Update on DTV delay:

An agreement was reached in the Senate subcommittee today involving Kay Baily Hutchison and Chairman Waxman.

Wording of the compromise extends the analog cut-off date to June 21st but allows individual stations to make the switch to digital in compliance with their individual construction permit at an earlier date. (IE. February 17th)

The agreement also significantly changes the Coupon program and increases the money allocated to DTV set-top boxes.

^ Any word on if KAQY (Monroe ABC) will still do the flash cut in Feb or do we have to wait until June now? If they don't do the cut in Feb, I'm going to have to resort to torrenting ABC shows since the analog signal passed onto Dish Network is near unwatchable (static audio and really bad ghosting).

^ Any word on if KAQY (Monroe ABC) will still do the flash cut in Feb or do we have to wait until June now? If they don't do the cut in Feb, I'm going to have to resort to torrenting ABC shows since the analog signal passed onto Dish Network is near unwatchable (static audio and really bad ghosting).

I think they're sticking with the 02/17/09 date.

- Trip

^ Any word on if KAQY (Monroe ABC) will still do the flash cut in Feb or do we have to wait until June now? If they don't do the cut in Feb, I'm going to have to resort to torrenting ABC shows since the analog signal passed onto Dish Network is near unwatchable (static audio and really bad ghosting).

Its the worse channel Dish offers OVERALL.
KAQY sucks.
There analog feed thru my OTA Antenna sucks.
There buzzing audio in primetime sucks.
This is a "third world" station.
I hope KAQY picks up there PQ.
I am also hoping they will broadcast primetime in HD not SD when they do go full digital power.
This station is the only holdback in my area amongst the "big 4".

Its the worse channel Dish offers OVERALL.
KAQY sucks.
There analog feed thru my OTA Antenna sucks.
There buzzing audio in primetime sucks.
This is a "third world" station.
I hope KAQY picks up there PQ.
I am also hoping they will broadcast primetime in HD not SD when they do go full digital power.
This station is the only holdback in my area amongst the "big 4".

I think i read that the company that owns KNOE bought KAQY so maybe someone in that company can straighten the mess out at the transition.

Did You see the basketball game on Sunday? Looked like some kind of abstract motion painting or something. How are they even able to still sell advertising?

I think i read that the company that owns KNOE bought KAQY so maybe someone in that company can straighten the mess out at the transition.

Did You see the basketball game on Sunday? Looked like some kind of abstract motion painting or something. How are they even able to still sell advertising?

ABC has some "prime time" shows such as Greys Anatomy and Ugly Betty on Thursday Night.
For a while I "MOVED" to Chicago so I could receive the top 4 in HD meaning ABC,NBC,CBS and FOX. I "MOVED" back home in July 08 when my Dish 622 Receiver went cukoo.
I am so ready to see if;


.1 Can I pick up Digital 11.1 KAQY when they go live?
I have a CM 4228 20' UP WITH A CM 3041 preamp in zip code 71260. Channel 39 is my only weeek link. Channels 8,10,12,13,14 are no problem.
Analog KAQY Channel comes in "good".


.2 Will KAQY's ABC Digital transmitter transmit in HD or just SD?

.1 Can I pick up Digital 11.1 KAQY when they go live?

You should be able to as it will be high on the Riverton tower using the same antenna 8's DT (rf 7) is using now.



.2 Will KAQY's ABC Digital transmitter transmit in HD or just SD?

Yes will be in HD - studio is mostly ready for HD, transmitter is not (yet).

^ Any word on if KAQY (Monroe ABC) will still do the flash cut in Feb or do we have to wait until June now? If they don't do the cut in Feb, I'm going to have to resort to torrenting ABC shows since the analog signal passed onto Dish Network is near unwatchable (static audio and really bad ghosting).

Look out you may go over your ISP's monthly data limit:D

Relief is coming, still scheduled for Feb unless someone high up in corporate or gov-ment forces a mandatory extension.:confused:

Good to hear, keep us updated on the status. I'm really hoping the KAQY transition goes as well as the KNOE one did.

Woo Hoo.. Looks like we're still a go for Feb, at least so far!

http://tech.yahoo.com/news/nm/20090128/tc_nm/us_dtv_delay_2

hi all i'm new here. was woundering if someone can answer a few questions for me? (I don't know how to search just this thread for the answers).

1. I have Directtv and since i wont be getting my s'port/bossier locals anytime soon, was hoping someone could recommend a decent antenna?

2. does anyone know if we will be getting some FiOS internet service anytime soon? would love 20 down/up or even 50/20!!!

thanks

I live in Green Acres Place and use Channel Master 4221HD 4-bay HDTV/UHF Antenna (from Solidsignal.com) in my attic mounted in the NW corner on a piece of plywood using a direct tv sat mounting pole and bracket. If you are going outdoors with the antenna then a 2 bay model would work with no trees,etc blocking it in North Bossier. Attic go with a 4bay. I used a Radio Shack U75 yagi antenna and had major issues with multi-path with metal AC ductwork, a couple of trees, and water heater in the attic. Indoors a Zenith Signal Sensor
may work, but weaker HD channels like LPB could be an issue.

What part of Bossier are you in?

Quote Mr Smurf;
"Woo Hoo.. Looks like we're still a go for Feb, at least so far!"

Not so faaast.....see

{Son of DTV Delay sails through the Senate}
http://www.rbr.com/tv-cable/12621.html

Arrgh I need a 2x4...

What part of Bossier are you in?

north bossier (cross creek subdivision)

I'm glad that according to those FCC signal maps I saw, in Avoyelles I'll be able to get KNOE,KARD, & KAQY.

I can already get Fox14, with some effort. I caught KNOE's test on channel 8 during the Christmas holidays and it was a strong signal even with antenna pointed to Lafayette. Later they went back to physical channel 7 and I have not caught them as strong since.

I'm really just hoping the "dtv delay" will end up just being about extending the dates for coupons.

KALB Alexandria is announcing daily that their analog will terminate on 2/16/09.

I think i read that the company that owns KNOE bought KAQY so maybe someone in that company can straighten the mess out at the transition.

Did You see the basketball game on Sunday? Looked like some kind of abstract motion painting or something. How are they even able to still sell advertising?

Hoak, who I think owns KNOE, has done some good things in the short time they bought KALB late last year.
Since mid November they've aired Oprah, Jeopardy, & Wheel in HD. I was impressed that KALB even remembered to air Wheel in HD on Saturdays; Ellen & 700Club HD have been hit and miss, but at least they are trying.

I think they also bought some better equipment because their NBC HD looks better now--but they are also shutting off the HD on 5.2 more often.

I wish they would use the Superbowl to switch 5.2 to that new NBC affiliate sports subchannel.

In Avoyelles I'm receiving an analog 39 which is 24/7 TBN, my antenna is pointed to Lafayette, it's a snowy picture but my Sony signal diagnostics give it a "LOCK" status.

They do not give station or legal ids at the top of the hour. No logo or bug to id them on screen. Just a 24/7 TBN feed with no local inserts or ids at all.

Could this be KMCT Monroe?
Do they have a digital signal?

Does anybody know when Direct TV will add the HD locals for Shreveport?

Is it me or has anyone noticed sync issues with KTBS in the past couple weeks ?

Does anybody know when Direct TV will add the HD locals for Shreveport?


Not anytime soon. Not sure why when smaller DMA's already have their locals in HD on DirecTV.

In Avoyelles I'm receiving an analog 39 which is 24/7 TBN, my antenna is pointed to Lafayette, it's a snowy picture but my Sony signal diagnostics give it a "LOCK" status.

They do not give station or legal ids at the top of the hour. No logo or bug to id them on screen. Just a 24/7 TBN feed with no local inserts or ids at all.

Could this be KMCT Monroe?
Do they have a digital signal?

Probably KMCT
http://www.lambbroadcasting.org/index.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KMCT-TV

KMCT-TV
West Monroe, Louisiana
Branding Lamb Broadcasting
Slogan Family Safe Television
Channels Analog: 39 (UHF) Digital: 38 (UHF)
Translators KLMB-LP 23 El Dorado AR
Affiliations religious independent
Owner Lamb Broadcasting, Inc. (Louisiana Christian Broadcasting, Inc.)
First air date April 7, 1986
Call letters’ meaning Monroe Christian Television
Former affiliations Pax TV (1998?-2005)
Transmitter Power 562 kW (analog)
14 kW (digital)
Height 152 m (analog)
144 m (digital)
Facility ID 38584
Transmitter Coordinates [show location on an interactive map] 32°30′21.3″N 92°8′55.9″W / 32.505917°N 92.148861°W / 32.505917; -92.148861
Website www.lambbroadcasting.org

Probably KMCT
http://www.lambbroadcasting.org/index.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KMCT-TV

KMCT-TV
West Monroe, Louisiana
Branding Lamb Broadcasting
Slogan Family Safe Television
Channels Analog: 39 (UHF) Digital: 38 (UHF)
Translators KLMB-LP 23 El Dorado AR
Affiliations religious independent
Owner Lamb Broadcasting, Inc. (Louisiana Christian Broadcasting, Inc.)
First air date April 7, 1986
Call letters’ meaning Monroe Christian Television
Former affiliations Pax TV (1998?-2005)
Transmitter Power 562 kW (analog)
14 kW (digital)
Height 152 m (analog)
144 m (digital)
Facility ID 38584
Transmitter Coordinates [show location on an interactive map] 32°30′21.3″N 92°8′55.9″W / 32.505917°N 92.148861°W / 32.505917; -92.148861
Website www.lambbroadcasting.org

Yes, that seems right. Again, they don't have any top or bottom hour ids, no bugs, logos, local promos or spots or inserts. Just a 24/7 feed of that TBN programming.

If they do have a digital signal up, I've not been able to receive it.

I thought I read previously that their analog was to terminate in early January.
Maybe they did shut it off and they have a minister laying hands on the transmitter. It's a miracle!

The Tube channel is going to be replaced, here is the official announcement:

Coming soon to this digital channel from KSLA TV…
A BRAND NEW 24 HOUR ENTERTAINMENT CHANNEL CALLED ThisTV. KSLA TV HAS TEAMED UP WITH M-G-M AND WILL BROADCAST MOVIES AND TELEVISION SHOWS FROM THE M-G-M COLLECTION. BEST OF ALL…IT’S FREE OF CHARGE ON THIS DIGITAL CHANNEL. WATCH FOR IT IN FEBRUARY.
James Smith
General Manager
KSLA TV

The Tube channel is going to be replaced, here is the official announcement:

Coming soon to this digital channel from KSLA TV…
A BRAND NEW 24 HOUR ENTERTAINMENT CHANNEL CALLED ThisTV. KSLA TV HAS TEAMED UP WITH M-G-M AND WILL BROADCAST MOVIES AND TELEVISION SHOWS FROM THE M-G-M COLLECTION. BEST OF ALL…IT’S FREE OF CHARGE ON THIS DIGITAL CHANNEL. WATCH FOR IT IN FEBRUARY.
James Smith
General Manager
KSLA TV
The tube went out of business Oct 2007.What has been on their since then??

The tube went out of business Oct 2007.What has been on their since then??
There was nothing on 12-2 during that time. Just a slate to Id the channel.

I see that they broadcast in 480i. They won't pull much from 12-1. But still watchable.

Oh, and I am a dumbass. Not sure why a few posts back I thought Carmouche was our new rep. :o I meant Fleming. My bad.

What did I say earlier ?
House Approves DTV Delay (http://www.eweek.com/c/a/IT-Infrastructure/House-Approves-DTV-Delay/)
Obama is expected to sign it, we're waiting for guidance from the FCC.

Great. We didn't need this.

Is it me or has anyone noticed sync issues with KTBS in the past couple weeks ?



I am seeing the same on KSLA :confused:i

What did I say earlier ?
House Approves DTV Delay (http://www.eweek.com/c/a/IT-Infrastructure/House-Approves-DTV-Delay/)
Obama is expected to sign it, we're waiting for guidance from the FCC.

Great. We didn't need this.

I think it's up to stations if they choose to delay. I've read most full power stations are sticking with the 2/17/09 date.

Remember when they were talking about the 30 day nightlight? I saw this on the internet:

"In a separate filing, KTBS-TV in Shreveport, La., pegged the power cost of the 30-day analog Nightlight venture at $7,000."

If analog channel 3 uses $7,000 in electricty per month, the cost of powering an analog UHF station must be staggering!!! Anyone know for sure?

I am seeing the same on KSLA :confused:i

I have not noticed KSLA on the sync- I will have to see later on Letterman if I see it.

On the KTBS front, I talked to KTBS engineering yesterday and they told me that they knew that they had an issue with ABC programming with sync and were going to get with ABC and see what is going on. KTBS did not know of this forum and asked them to join and talk as other stations have.

Remember when they were talking about the 30 day nightlight? I saw this on the internet:

"In a separate filing, KTBS-TV in Shreveport, La., pegged the power cost of the 30-day analog Nightlight venture at $7,000."

If analog channel 3 uses $7,000 in electricty per month, the cost of powering an analog UHF station must be staggering!!! Anyone know for sure?

The energy budget for a dual tubes, no pulse no depressed collector (wastefull but common) UHF is around 150 to 200 KWatts/hour.

I am seeing the same on KSLA :confused:i
@96 Corvette,
what time of day/program do you see this ?
Thanks

The energy budget for a dual tubes, no pulse no depressed collector (wastefull but common) UHF is around 150 to 200 KWatts/hour.

KMSS + KSHV Analog <> $29,000/Mo

Since KALB Alexandria confirmed today that their management has decided to proceed with their planned analog shut off on 2/16/09; that might be a positive sign for those concerned about KNOE & KAQY's plans in light of recent developments.

The White House wants your opinion on The DTV Delay ACT Bill
President Obama wants to hear what the public has to say, you can comment here

http://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing_room/dtv_delay_act/

The White House wants your opinion on The DTV Delay ACT Bill
President Obama wants to hear what the public has to say, you can comment here

http://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing_room/dtv_delay_act/A little late.

A little late.

Not yet. It still hasnt been signed.

Even though it's good that we give our opinions in support of the DTV conversion at that link; until the bill is signed the 6/12/09 date will not go into effect.

So if the bill is not signed by the President the coupon program will not be extended and the 6/12 date won't be recognized.

Until the DTV delay bill is signed by the President, the DTV conversion date is 2/17/09.

Yes, that seems right. Again, they don't have any top or bottom hour ids, no bugs, logos, local promos or spots or inserts. Just a 24/7 feed of that TBN programming.

If they do have a digital signal up, I've not been able to receive it.

I thought I read previously that their analog was to terminate in early January.
Maybe they did shut it off and they have a minister laying hands on the transmitter. It's a miracle!

KMCT Analog 39 does have a digital feed 38-1. It is NOT a 24/7 TBN programming and they do have limited commericials and infomercials in the early hours.
It is a WEAK Digital signal but I do receive it in the winter months in North Louisiana.
If someone is receiving this in southwest LA. it was a tropo day.

KMCT Analog 39 does have a digital feed 38-1. It is NOT a 24/7 TBN programming and they do have limited commericials and infomercials in the early hours.
It is a WEAK Digital signal but I do receive it in the winter months in North Louisiana.
If someone is receiving this in southwest LA. it was a tropo day.

Yeah, I've never received their digital here in Avoyelles in East Central La but their analog is viewable here like KNOE, KARD, & KAQY.

I have noticed a decrease in KNOE & KAQY's analogs since they reportedly reduced their power recently.

I've not seen the local stuff, but then again I really can't watch that kind of programming for very long. I don't like is all I'll say w/o getting into religion & politics. They are a TBN affilate and air TBN programming all day & night except for when they do insert something local.
The only ids they have say TBN. Of course, I am guessing that their analog and digital signals are simulcasting the same programming.

Thanks for the info though.

LPB has announced that their analogs will remain on the 6 stations with them until at least March. I heard this today on a rebroadcast of La The State We're In.

KARD is announcing on air that they will terminate their analog on 2/17 at 11:59pm.

Was also surprised to see King Of The Hill in HD tonight.

KTVE will also go silent 2/17 per FCC filings. This means KETZ can move to digital 10 as scheduled 2/18--though they might need an STA since their license will remain on digital 12 till 6/12.

KTVE will also go silent 2/17 per FCC filings. This means KETZ can move to digital 10 as scheduled 2/18--though they might need an STA since their license will remain on digital 12 till 6/12.

Does anyone know the intent of the other stations in the Shreveport area (KMSS,KSLA, etc..)?

KSHV is the only one I see. The rest appear to be staying on.

- Trip

KSHV is the only one I see. The rest appear to be staying on.

- Trip

At this time, KMSS will maintain analog service after Feb 17th.
KSHV has applied to the FCC for early termination on Feb 17th.

The decision was made after all other Shreveport stations decided to stay on.

At this time, KMSS will maintain analog service after Feb 17th.
KSHV has applied to the FCC for early termination on Feb 17th.

The decision was made after all other Shreveport stations decided to stay on.


In a market where you've had a digital only CW HD affiliate for years? You already have a young demo in that market familiar with how to receive it.

But...see what the leaders in town do, the big dog stations that get good ratings, then follow blindly.

Dumb decision.

Yeah, I've never received their digital here in Avoyelles in East Central La but their analog is viewable here like KNOE, KARD, & KAQY.

I have noticed a decrease in KNOE & KAQY's analogs since they reportedly reduced their power recently.

I've not seen the local stuff, but then again I really can't watch that kind of programming for very long. I don't like is all I'll say w/o getting into religion & politics. They are a TBN affilate and air TBN programming all day & night except for when they do insert something local.
The only ids they have say TBN. Of course, I am guessing that their analog and digital signals are simulcasting the same programming.

Thanks for the info though.


KMCT Channel 39 website
http://www.lambbroadcasting.org/

In a market where you've had a digital only CW HD affiliate for years? You already have a young demo in that market familiar with how to receive it.

But...see what the leaders in town do, the big dog stations that get good ratings, then follow blindly.

Dumb decision.

ComCorp has applied for early termination on all of it's stations that are eligible where digital reception is degraded if the analog stays on the air.

This includes:

KWKT (Waco,Tx) - KYLE (Bryan,Tx) - KSHV (Shreveport,La) - WNTZ (Alexandria,La)

Continuation of analog broadcast has no effect on digital reception of any of our other stations.

KMCT Channel 39 website
http://www.lambbroadcasting.org/

I wish they would change formats to ION HD or something good.

Just experimenting and used a toslink optical out of my plasma to receiver and can get 5.1 audio on a lot of local hd. I do the same on Comcast DVR HD box using either coax audio or optical out and it usually is 2 channel on same broadcast. On other channels I have gotten 5.1 in the past. Has anyone else noticed this or is Comast not transmitting the original audio?

Figured it out, had to change from HDMI sound output to Dolby Digital to get 5.1. Strange because I still got two channel from the digital even with HDMI selected.

KAQY Channel 11 our of Monroe area up and running full digital power. Knoe transmits on channel 8.1 instead of 7.1.
I am picking up both after last night with a 95-100% signal strength 60 miles away in Columbia using a CM 4228 and CM 2041 pre amp 20 foot up.
Waiting for 1st HD Broadcast on KAQY ABC Channel 11.

^ Correct you are, I was able to watch Good Morning America in full HD this morning on KAQY, man it was nice to see something on ABC in HD again.

Surely you're joking about KAQY being full HD. I haven't seen the first HD broadcast on KAQY yet. My antenna is picking up the channel though, and it's much better than the joke that it was before.

No joke here... I don't think they had anything else scheduled today that was broadcast in HD, but if you get a chance, check out it in the morning, its really there. I was just as shocked as you when I saw it :)

No joke here... I don't think they had anything else scheduled today that was broadcast in HD, but if you get a chance, check out it in the morning, its really there. I was just as shocked as you when I saw it :)

PLEASE let it be true. After watching something on KAQY before now I wanted to scratch my eyes out. We deserve it after putting up with that garbage before.:D

Surely you're joking about KAQY being full HD. I haven't seen the first HD broadcast on KAQY yet. My antenna is picking up the channel though, and it's much better than the joke that it was before.

Prime time such as Grays Anatomy, Ugly Betty, Private Practice are all HD and I must say a Beautiful HD Picture.
Also, at 10 am the show THE VIEW is in beautiful HD.
My signal strength with KAQY AND KNOE is 100% with my CM 4228 and CM3041 preamp 20 foot up.
I am approx 60 miles Norht of the Tower in Columbia Louisiana from which both these stations transmit.
Oh yeah, Its HD but like all locals not 24/7.

yeah I finally saw the HD picture on KAQY and it was really nice. Does anyone know what's Comcast's plans are as far as adding it to their HD lineup?

Back home in El Dorado this weekend....noticed that the KNOE translator station on CH 18 here is also completely digital.... AND in HD with the CW on 18-2. Very surprised they even bothered to switch the low powered translator to digital...but was totally shocked when I noticed it's ALSO in HD. Great job, KNOE.

I kinda wish they'd filed with the FCC for a permit. That would have been nice.

- Trip

Anyone happen to know why KMSS OTA (33-1) & KMSS comcast (90-33) are showing HD feeds in SD with a HD FOX33 logo outside the sd viewing area? I first noticed this last week and thought it was just a mistake on my tivo etc. but noticed every show since Thursday was in SD during prime time hours. I also noticed some commercials show up in full HD (i.e. local fox news station)
Comcast source:
http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/2907/imag0001n.jpg

Local station commercial:
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/7700/imag0002.jpg

OTA:
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/6847/imag0003.jpg

Back home in El Dorado this weekend....noticed that the KNOE translator station on CH 18 here is also completely digital.... AND in HD with the CW on 18-2. Very surprised they even bothered to switch the low powered translator to digital...but was totally shocked when I noticed it's ALSO in HD. Great job, KNOE.


uuh, they haven't done anything to that translator, it must be passing the DT signal through clean enough that it can be decoded.

Back home in El Dorado this weekend....noticed that the KNOE translator station on CH 18 here is also completely digital.... AND in HD with the CW on 18-2. Very surprised they even bothered to switch the low powered translator to digital...but was totally shocked when I noticed it's ALSO in HD. Great job, KNOE.


uuh, they haven't done anything to that translator, it must be passing the DT signal through clean enough that it can be decoded.

uuh, they haven't done anything to that translator, it must be passing the DT signal through clean enough that it can be decoded.

That would explain it actually. I've heard about some translators which just take the whole 6 MHz of the input channel and shift it to the output channel. If that's what's happening here, then Hoak saved themselves a bit of money with this translator.

I have to wonder, then, if the power is still the same on it digitally or if that increased just because of the difference in measuring power with regard to analog versus digital. Very interesting stuff.

- Trip

Yeah that is very interesting.... I just assumed they converted it over to digital with the main transmitter. In any case, I don't care what's behind the whole thing, I just know that I have a lot of friends here that are happy to finally have CBS-HD OTA. The city of El Dorado itself is just about 3-4 miles outside of KNOE-DT's main signal on CH 8.... Before the switchover, viewers with antennas here could watching KNOE on analog 8 2/7, but it was always snowy. The translator station, which is about 1/2 a miles away from the family house here, gets a signal of 76-80% using the outdoor 4228, or rabbit ears. When that translator was in analog, the picture was actually worse than KNOE on channel 8, so most people in town with antennas simply preferred to watch the snowy channel 8. I checked the signal on K18AB yesterday afternoon at my grandmother's just outside the city limits, and failed to lock it. The highest the signal got to was 9.00db. This was using the OnAir GT antenna, though. With an outdoor setup, I think all the full-power Monroe DTs would make it to her location south of town.

Did anyone else notice this past weekend things usually in HD such as Nascar and Cops weren't? Switch not flipped? This was on both Comcast and antenna.

Back home in El Dorado this weekend....noticed that the KNOE translator station on CH 18 here is also completely digital.... AND in HD with the CW on 18-2. Very surprised they even bothered to switch the low powered translator to digital...but was totally shocked when I noticed it's ALSO in HD. Great job, KNOE.


Was the receiver looking at the translator displaying channel 18-1 & 18-2 or 8-1 & 8-2?

The reason I ask is I assumed the channel 8 lables in the PSIP data stream would pass on through the translator and they would be labeled as channel 8-1 & 8-2 when watching the translator. I have seen cases when the signal was weak and the virtual channel doesn't get loaded correctly and the receiver displays the station's RF channel number.

And if you have a receiver that sees both the RF-8 and the RF-18 will it show the duplicate channels in the ch list? My Samsung TV can show multiple virtual channels but only one virtual channel per RF channel. My Sony won't show duplicate channel numbers, virtual or RF.

Example on how the the Samsung works which I like: On a good reception day tune into KARK-Little Rock (RF ch 32/virtual ch 4). Then, without touching the TV rotate the antenna NE and it switches over to WABG 6-1 in Greenwood MS, rotate south and it switches to KLAX 31-1 in Alexandria. All are RFch 32 but the set only holds one at a time, the last one received.

It showed as 8-1 and 8-2, exactly as the main signal did. (He sent me data on the translator, thus how I know. http://www.rabbitears.info/screencaps/la-mnr/48975-0_0.htm :) )

- Trip

Did anyone else notice this past weekend things usually in HD such as Nascar and Cops weren't? Switch not flipped? This was on both Comcast and antenna.

Didnt watch nascar, but cops definitely was in hd On fox 44 baton rouge and fox 8 new orleans, so it was your station. Did you call them sat night?
I definitely would call them tomorrow to voice your displeasure.

Did anyone else notice this past weekend things usually in HD such as Nascar and Cops weren't? Switch not flipped? This was on both Comcast and antenna.

Correct. It was KMSS.
I watched both races in HD on KFXK.

KMSS has the same issue tonight during house. I used to have the number to the control room but that number is now disconnected. I guess they got tired of people calling them to tell them to flip the switch. You would figure it would be automated by now.

Dahlings, did KSHV ever turn off their analog last week?
I heard KTVE & KARD Monroe got denied.

KMSS has the same issue tonight during house. I used to have the number to the control room but that number is now disconnected. I guess they got tired of people calling them to tell them to flip the switch. You would figure it would be automated by now.

I called again this morning after it not being on again last night. They said the HD is fine and was on Sat Sun and Monday, that their in house signal showed it working! I said well not on my Comcast and over the air antenna, may need to check a source outside of station.

Dahlings, did KSHV ever turn off their analog last week?
I heard KTVE & KARD Monroe got denied.

KSHV shut down analog at 11:59:50 on Feb 17th.

I called again this morning after it not being on again last night. They said the HD is fine and was on Sat Sun and Monday, that their in house signal showed it working! I said well not on my Comcast and over the air antenna, may need to check a source outside of station.

Watched HOUSE in HD on KFXK 51 last night. OTA KMSS HD hasnt worked in days. Maybe its back at 7pm??

KMSS WAKE UP!

FOX 33 is a joke, audio and video is not even close to the others :mad: reminds me of a small town station of about 500 population, know wonder no sat company wants their content

Dahlings, we just love having KNOE & KAQY's new digital stations here in Rapides parish. Is it possible for Fox 14 to air Legend Of The Seeker in HD?

FOX 33 is a joke, audio and video is not even close to the others :mad: reminds me of a small town station of about 500 population, know wonder no sat company wants their content

KMSS HD was finally working @ 7pm last night. They may have been waiting for a part that came in monday.

I talked to the chief engineer at KMSS yesterday.He said several people with Directv receivers had called and his fix was to re-scan the receiver.He wasn't aware of any Comcast problem.He said the "switch flipping" was automated.I told him that "24" Monday night was widescreen(space at top and bottom) on channel 33 not 33-1.It was not HD.He agreed that was strange.I did a reset of my receiver---HR-20 700--- and last night HD was back.Whether the re-scan fixed it or he found something and fixed it I don't know.Haven't called him back.

I talked to the chief engineer at KMSS yesterday.He said several people with Directv receivers had called and his fix was to re-scan the receiver.He wasn't aware of any Comcast problem.He said the "switch flipping" was automated.I told him that "24" Monday night was widescreen(space at top and bottom) on channel 33 not 33-1.It was not HD.He agreed that was strange.I did a reset of my receiver---HR-20 700--- and last night HD was back.Whether the re-scan fixed it or he found something and fixed it I don't know.Haven't called him back.

Something wasn't working or automated, because everything I checked Saturday-Monday that is usually in HD was not either over the air(33-1)or on Comcast(434).

I talked to the chief engineer at KMSS yesterday.He said several people with Directv receivers had called and his fix was to re-scan the receiver.He wasn't aware of any Comcast problem.He said the "switch flipping" was automated.I told him that "24" Monday night was widescreen(space at top and bottom) on channel 33 not 33-1.It was not HD.He agreed that was strange.I did a reset of my receiver---HR-20 700--- and last night HD was back.Whether the re-scan fixed it or he found something and fixed it I don't know.Haven't called him back.

when did DTV get local HD :eek:

I think he is talking about HD locals via the ATSC tuner in the HR-20.

I think he is talking about HD locals via the ATSC tuner in the HR-20.


yep just re read the thread :)

Red Alert, dahlings! The OK/TX Tech game on 11.1 KAQY should be in HD like it is on KATC Lafayette.

Earlier today KATC was not airing ABC programming in HD but KAQY was.

Red Alert, dahlings! The OK/TX Tech game on 11.1 KAQY should be in HD like it is on KATC Lafayette.

Earlier today KATC was not airing ABC programming in HD but KAQY was.

People need to call the stations and complain. Especially tell them that you watched the program on another station, and will do so, until they get their act together.

The Apprentice was not in HD on KTVE Channel 10 out of Monroe,Louisiana. Was it in HD in Shreveport?
Its crazy when a show such as this is not broadcast in HD. If its a KTVE problem, I want to know and I will raise heck locally.

The Apprentice was not in HD on KTVE Channel 10 out of Monroe,Louisiana. Was it in HD in Shreveport?
Its crazy when a show such as this is not broadcast in HD. If its a KTVE problem, I want to know and I will raise heck locally.

No, not in HD in Shreveport. I don't think that show is shot in HD.

The Apprentice was not in HD on KTVE Channel 10 out of Monroe,Louisiana. Was it in HD in Shreveport?
Its crazy when a show such as this is not broadcast in HD. If its a KTVE problem, I want to know and I will raise heck locally.

The show is NOT produced in hd.

The show is NOT produced in hd.

Donald needs to get off his rich behind and get with the times! This show and The Amazing Race on CBS need to feel our need for HD. :cool:

Donald needs to get off his rich behind and get with the times! This show and The Amazing Race on CBS need to feel our need for HD. :cool:

I agree. Survivor is being produced in HD with Panasonic P-2 HD field cameras and a Fly-Away Post-Production rig at the location. (It looks awsome!)

You'de think "The Donald" would want his show in HD. (I watch it anyway, but I'm weird)

I agree. Survivor is being produced in HD with Panasonic P-2 HD field cameras and a Fly-Away Post-Production rig at the location. (It looks awsome!)

You'de think "The Donald" would want his show in HD. (I watch it anyway, but I'm weird)

Maybe he's seen himself in hd, and doesnt want it produced in hd:eek:

Does anyone know if KAQY will ever show up in the guide for those of us with DirecTV OTA tuners. I assume this is a problem with Tribune since they provide the guide data.

I live about a mile southwest of Wal-mart on Mansfield Road in Shreveport. Yesterday I had a Winegard GS-2200 antenna installed. Originally it was going to installed in the attic but because of large pine trees directly in the line of sight to the towers it had to be installed outside on the roof.

However, it still appears that when the wind blows the pine trees I may have pixelation. I'm wondering if I should have spent more and got a more powerful antenna.

Not directly related but the installer also re-cabled my DirecTV connections. I may be wrong but it seems like all of my screen images (both sat and OTA) are "softer". They lack the crisp detail I thought I was previously getting. Do you think I'm probably just seeing things or could there be something in the cabling causing this type of issue?

Kawdog, I don't know when the guide will be updated, but I am using 27601 as a secondary local and it has an 11-1 ABC affiliate. Works great and KAQY has the strongest signal I get in North Monroe, River Oaks subdivision

Bobby

I live about a mile southwest of Wal-mart on Mansfield Road in Shreveport. Yesterday I had a Winegard GS-2200 antenna installed. Originally it was going to installed in the attic but because of large pine trees directly in the line of sight to the towers it had to be installed outside on the roof.

However, it still appears that when the wind blows the pine trees I may have pixelation. I'm wondering if I should have spent more and got a more powerful antenna.

Not directly related but the installer also re-cabled my DirecTV connections. I may be wrong but it seems like all of my screen images (both sat and OTA) are "softer". They lack the crisp detail I thought I was previously getting. Do you think I'm probably just seeing things or could there be something in the cabling causing this type of issue?

Digital is either there or not there. It doesn't get "soft" due to signal issues.

Digital is either there or not there. It doesn't get "soft" due to signal issues.

Actually, reception problems can make the video appear softer.

It is true that when the signal reaches a critical level, the receiver losses lock.

Second generation ATSC tuners eliminate the bit error rate effects of reflections (formally called ghosts in analog) by dropping data packets that are determined to be unrelated to the primary signal. Since no algorithm is perfect, some valid data is lost in this process.

This does cause the picture to appear "soft" compared to reception with no reflections. Peaking a directional antenna using the antenna tuning option on the receiver menu will minimize this effect.

Kawdog, I don't know when the guide will be updated, but I am using 27601 as a secondary local and it has an 11-1 ABC affiliate. Works great and KAQY has the strongest signal I get in North Monroe, River Oaks subdivision

Bobby

Thanks for the tip, I will give that a try.

Actually, reception problems can make the video appear softer.

It is true that when the signal reaches a critical level, the receiver losses lock.

Second generation ATSC tuners eliminate the bit error rate effects of reflections (formally called ghosts in analog) by dropping data packets that are determined to be unrelated to the primary signal. Since no algorithm is perfect, some valid data is lost in this process.

This does cause the picture to appear "soft" compared to reception with no reflections. Peaking a directional antenna using the antenna tuning option on the receiver menu will minimize this effect.

Very interesting. Multipath rejection for digital. Sometimes when the tropo is strong, I'll lose locals to interference (but watch stuff 100+ miles away). Suppose newer tuners would be better.

Actually, reception problems can make the video appear softer.

It is true that when the signal reaches a critical level, the receiver losses lock.

Second generation ATSC tuners eliminate the bit error rate effects of reflections (formally called ghosts in analog) by dropping data packets that are determined to be unrelated to the primary signal. Since no algorithm is perfect, some valid data is lost in this process.

This does cause the picture to appear "soft" compared to reception with no reflections. Peaking a directional antenna using the antenna tuning option on the receiver menu will minimize this effect.

If you are missing data packets I can't see how the tuner makes them up once it can no longer correct them... I assume ATSC uses some sort of FEC like DVB uses? I've always seen the "squares" and/or garbled audio. Never seen a low signal make a picture soft....but I'm sure you've seen a lot more than I have being a CE.

If you are missing data packets I can't see how the tuner makes them up once it can no longer correct them... I assume ATSC uses some sort of FEC like DVB uses? I've always seen the "squares" and/or garbled audio. Never seen a low signal make a picture soft....but I'm sure you've seen a lot more than I have being a CE.


Forward error correction and ghost canceling are two different things.
The decoder sees the reflection as a duplicate digital signal arriving at a later time than the true signal.
It analyzes the data stream and figures out which data bits are valid and which ones are delayed duplicates. (Ghosts)
The data bits that are delayed are dropped and and replaced with what the decoder thinks is the valid data. (emphasis on "thinks")
This results is some loss of fine detail but it is almost imperceptible except to an avid videophile.

Like I said earlier, this is not a "low signal" issue, it is a reflection issue.

There was a very long and complex analysis of 8VSB and CODFM modulation as the digital standard involving Sinclair Broadcasting Group early in the digital standards decisions. Sinclair wanted CODFM because it is almost immune to ghosts. Personally I agreed with Sinclair, but they lost that argument.

(CODFM is used almost exclusively in Microwave remote pickup systems because of this immunity)

Once the FCC decided on 8VSB as the standard, the second generation ghost canceling system I am describing here was developed and implement in 8VSB receivers to overcome this vulnerability.

NOTE: All set top boxes certified for the coupon program were required to use this type of 8VSB decoder.

Interesting.... nice to learn something new! I appreciate your knowledge on this subject.

Was it me or KMSS??? Entire hour of "24" in sd. 3-23-09.

Unless I missed something when I glanced at the FCC list of stations that will terminate analogs before 6/12 and go 100% digital, the only stations in La that will switch on 4/16 next week will be:

KTVE
KARD
KTAL

Ok in West Monroe working on a HTPC. I installed a tuner card and trying to get HDTV signals and all I am able to pick up is PBS. I am in a 2 story apartment off of thomas rd. What is the dang trick to try and pick up OTA HDTV. I thought that the switch to digital was going to be easier not harder ever since I got my HDTV I have not been able to get JACK!!!

Ok in West Monroe working on a HTPC. I installed a tuner card and trying to get HDTV signals and all I am able to pick up is PBS. I am in a 2 story apartment off of thomas rd. What is the dang trick to try and pick up OTA HDTV. I thought that the switch to digital was going to be easier not harder ever since I got my HDTV I have not been able to get JACK!!!

What kind of card and what kind of antenna do you have?

- Trip

ASUS My Cinema PHC3-100/NAQ/FM/AV/RC has atsc/qam/ntsc. As far as antenna being in an apartment it is limited I tried 2 table top ones (like from wally world) and also a small external one I got from newegg that did at least give me 3 channels other than that all I get is PBS-HD (LPB). I am thinking of trying to build one of the coat hanger HD antennas and put it on our fence out back other than that can not put full antenna on top of apartment. FYI zip is 71291.

I'm surprised you haven't seen anything out of Fox (14-1).

The other signals are mostly VHF signals which will require some type of VHF antenna most likely. Start simple with rabbit ears or something similar, and then you can work your way up from there.

KNOE (CBS) - VHF
KTVE (NBC) - UHF
KAQY (ABC) - VHF
KETZ (PBS) - Currently off the air, will be VHF
KLTM (PBS) - UHF, but will be VHF
KARD (FOX) - UHF

- Trip

I have tried the small amplified set top antennas already and have gotten nothing out of them except for pbs. Is there a way I can try and manually configure the channels in Vista Media Center. Or is the amplified antenna causing problems and I need something with less omph.

Which "small amplified" antennas have you used?

I'm not familiar enough with Media Center to be able to guide you on how to use it. I'm sure there's a way to manually tune your tuner, but I'm not sure how exactly to do it.

- Trip

tried a rosewill outdoor antenna looked like a coat hanger bow tie with an amp on it. An RCA non amplified one that looks like the wings of an airplane. And a phillips amplified one that has a rectangular receiver in the middle along with 2 rabbit ears. Still nothing except PBS. I did manage to get 3 stations with the rosewill outdoor one but it was 2 pbs channels and another one not sure which it was though.

I'm surprised you had such poor luck with the Phillips one. I rather like that antenna, if it's the one I'm thinking of.

I think the best thing to do would be to figure out how to manually tune, say, KARD-DT on channel 36 and figure out where to put the antenna such that it works. Of course, it doesn't help that I don't know how to make Media Center manually tune, and I'm not familiar enough with your receiver to know if it has its own software that might accomplish this task. One of my receivers has a "signal checker" program that comes with the unit that lets me tune a channel and then watch the signal on it. I'd wonder if yours has something similar.

- Trip

Media center has a signal checker in it. As far as the phillips one I got it was the one below. I am also using total media 3.5 and it has the same problems with the digital tv signal as well. Any other tips you may have would be appreciated.

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=10629541

Media center has a signal checker in it. As far as the phillips one I got it was the one below. I am also using total media 3.5 and it has the same problems with the digital tv signal as well. Any other tips you may have would be appreciated.

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=10629541

I meant as far as manually tuning goes. If you could manually tune to channel 36, for instance, and then watch the signal strength as you move the antenna around, that would help you to gauge your situation at better I think.

Ooh, no, that's not the one I was thinking of.

I own this one: http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=silver+sensor&cid=10286621021453709018&sa=title#ps-sellers

But it won't work well for you and your VHF signals. You'd probably need one more like this: http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=silver+sensor&cid=5040788802559462722&sa=title#ps-sellers

It would be a good starting point at least, if nothing else. I don't know where you would buy them locally such that you could return them easily, and I wouldn't recommend buying an antenna you can't easily return at this point.

- Trip

KETZ-DT has to wait two more months for KTVE to shutdown analog. FCC denies KTVE and KARD hardship waivers.

http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/196011-FCC_Denies_Nexstar_DTV_Hardship_Waivers.php?rssid=20065

Is it just KSLA or is it a limitation of being able to do HD with weather warnings that were on constantly during the Masters?

I noticed the same here in Monroe.

Is it just KSLA or is it a limitation of being able to do HD with weather warnings that were on constantly during the Masters?

This time it actually was a Network problem per the Cheif engineer at KNOE Channel 8. It was a issue during the semi finals of the NCAA College Basketball tournament. I was pissed.
KNOE Channel 8 actually "went HD" during the playoff at the Masters.
KNOE Channel 8 seems to have addressed there issue with being able to "do HD" and give weather warnings at the same time.

I'm surprised you haven't seen anything out of Fox (14-1).

The other signals are mostly VHF signals which will require some type of VHF antenna most likely. Start simple with rabbit ears or something similar, and then you can work your way up from there.

KNOE (CBS) - VHF
KTVE (NBC) - UHF
KAQY (ABC) - VHF
KETZ (PBS) - Currently off the air, will be VHF
KLTM (PBS) - UHF, but will be VHF
KARD (FOX) - UHF

- Trip

Channel 8(KNOE CBS) and Channel 11(KAQY ABC) transmitters are located in Columbia, Louisiana. Columbia is approx 25-30 miles south of Monroe.
Channel 10(KTVE NBC) Transmitter is in Huttig Arkansas approx 50-60 miles North of Monroe.
Channel 13(KLTM PBS) Transmitter is in Monroe.
Channel 14(KARD FOX) Transmitter is in West Monroe

This time it actually was a Network problem per the Cheif engineer at KNOE Channel 8. It was a issue during the semi finals of the NCAA College Basketball tournament. I was pissed.
KNOE Channel 8 actually "went HD" during the playoff at the Masters.
KNOE Channel 8 seems to have addressed there issue with being able to "do HD" and give weather warnings at the same time.

KSLA hasn't

Is it just KSLA or is it a limitation of being able to do HD with weather warnings that were on constantly during the Masters?

Hello,
at this time, KSLA does not have the capability to have the lower third Weather Bug with the radar and the warning display in HD. When weather demands, we do have to switch back to upconverted SD. This is something that we are aware of, and is planned for the next budget (whenever that will be in the current economy). I apologize on behalf of the KSLA team for this inconvenience, but we still have a legal mandate from the FCC to warn the viewing public of impeding threats to life and limb, while there is actually no mandate to Broadcast in true HD at all time.
We have looked at solutions to fix this issue, but they all require a substantial amount of money, that has not been allocated yet.
In the meantime, thank you all for your continued viewership and support.

Hey guys. I've been lurking in here for a while, in preparation for building a home theater PC. I've finally built it, and I'm about to move from my house (where I download my TV/watch on Hulu) to an apartment. We are going to have limited basic (2-13 analog) cable from Comcast (71115 zip code), because it is the same price as cable modem only, for 12 months when we move in.

However, are there more channels that I'd be able to receive inside an apartment OTA than there are via Comcast Clear QAM? I have a hybrid ATSC/QAM dual tuner in the PC, which I've tested with amplified rabbit ears at home. I can receive KTBS and KMSS well, but I can't receive KLTS, KTAL at all, and I receive KSHV and KTAL poorly. This was in a room with a northwest exposure in 71118 zip code.

I'm hoping the Clear QAM setup will be more acceptable. Can someone that uses Comcast in Shreveport, LA please tell me which channels and subchannels are available via Clear QAM with ONLY Limited Basic cable?

Any other input is also welcome. Thanks!

Hello,
at this time, KSLA does not have the capability to have the lower third Weather Bug with the radar and the warning display in HD. When weather demands, we do have to switch back to upconverted SD. This is something that we are aware of, and is planned for the next budget (whenever that will be in the current economy). I apologize on behalf of the KSLA team for this inconvenience, but we still have a legal mandate from the FCC to warn the viewing public of impeding threats to life and limb, while there is actually no mandate to Broadcast in true HD at all time.
We have looked at solutions to fix this issue, but they all require a substantial amount of money, that has not been allocated yet.
In the meantime, thank you all for your continued viewership and support.

Probably no money in the budget because it was spent on the storm tracking toys.

Hey guys. I've been lurking in here for a while, in preparation for building a home theater PC. I've finally built it, and I'm about to move from my house (where I download my TV/watch on Hulu) to an apartment. We are going to have limited basic (2-13 analog) cable from Comcast (71115 zip code), because it is the same price as cable modem only, for 12 months when we move in.

However, are there more channels that I'd be able to receive inside an apartment OTA than there are via Comcast Clear QAM? I have a hybrid ATSC/QAM dual tuner in the PC, which I've tested with amplified rabbit ears at home. I can receive KTBS and KMSS well, but I can't receive KLTS, KTAL at all, and I receive KSHV and KTAL poorly. This was in a room with a northwest exposure in 71118 zip code.

I'm hoping the Clear QAM setup will be more acceptable. Can someone that uses Comcast in Shreveport, LA please tell me which channels and subchannels are available via Clear QAM with ONLY Limited Basic cable?
Any other input is also welcome. Thanks!

I am only hooked up through the set top HD box currently, but when I tried through QAM before if I remember right I received all the local channels
KTBS KTAL KSLA KMSS KSHV KLTS KPXJ and two non-local ones!

KTBS KSLA have sub channels, weather, news & KTAL-analog feed

I think your reception will be worse also based on the zip codes, 5 miles or so farther south away from the broadcast antennas. You would need an outside antenna to pick them up but with apartment you probably can't go that route. I have a small Channel master that picks them all up, but is located about 20 feet up. Not sure if you could just attach inside and have it work decent or not.

Yes, in Rapides parish, I've just about abandoned the Lafayette stations because KATC screws up the ABC HD, like they did during the Hornets game Sunday. They don't air Nightline in HD like KAQY because they delay it with a Frasier episode.

Tonight is Kimmel's HD debut show on ABC.
Yeah, he didn't get any better looking.

KNOE has a far better newscast than any station in Lafayette or Alexandria.

I did notice that during March Madness they couldn't put WX info without shutting off the HD. I hope they've fixed that problem as reported..


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My preamp has a homosexual agenda.

Does anyone know if KAQY will ever show up in the guide for those of us with DirecTV OTA tuners. I assume this is a problem with Tribune since they provide the guide data.

Jerry Harkins has been contacted about this and has contacted Tribune so hopefully KAQY will show up in the DirecTV guide soon. Thanks again Jerry.

kaw

Hello,
at this time, KSLA does not have the capability to have the lower third Weather Bug with the radar and the warning display in HD. When weather demands, we do have to switch back to upconverted SD. This is something that we are aware of, and is planned for the next budget (whenever that will be in the current economy). I apologize on behalf of the KSLA team for this inconvenience, but we still have a legal mandate from the FCC to warn the viewing public of impeding threats to life and limb, while there is actually no mandate to Broadcast in true HD at all time.
We have looked at solutions to fix this issue, but they all require a substantial amount of money, that has not been allocated yet.
In the meantime, thank you all for your continued viewership and support.

Hope this happens, please! Weather insertion into HD stream will be awesome. Are you still/when going to 350 kW?

I dont watch much ABC stuff, prefer CBS programming, but those KTBS guys got HD insertion, HD news, ads, even Dr phil. Doing all this on KPXJ21 too. Know thats 720, 1080 gotta be more $$$. KSLA easily has the best news, it should be in HD.

KMSS is sometimes getting the 2.5 men & Raymond reruns up in HD. Please spend the $$$ on the weather insertion asap. Thanks for listening to viewers here online too.

If anybody has a direct line to engineering at KMSS call them and tell them to flip the switch for the race. It is in SD.

Luckily I will watch it out of Nashville. Though I prefer the OTA. You would think this crap would be automated by now.

If anybody has a direct line to engineering at KMSS call them and tell them to flip the switch for the race. It is in SD.

Luckily I will watch it out of Nashville. Though I prefer the OTA. You would think this crap would be automated by now.

KMSS totally snoozed. I switched to KFXK 51.

If anybody has a direct line to engineering at KMSS call them and tell them to flip the switch for the race. It is in SD.

Luckily I will watch it out of Nashville. Though I prefer the OTA. You would think this crap would be automated by now.

I tried calling, got a recording, its a joke, hard to watch when it should be in HD.

You're welcome Windham9,
we are scheduled for a second transmitter in August, but at this stage it is not clear yet if it will allow for an increase in power or if it is only a backup. There are too many things I do not know yet. The price of 720 or 1080 is the same, virtually all HD equipment do both resolution. As for the HD weather bug capability we tried to get it passed in '08 but it didn't happen for reasons that I have no control over. It certainly is on the priority list now, and will be even more after June 12, as it should.
Thanks again for your support, I will convey you compliments to our News team.

I tried calling, got a recording, its a joke, hard to watch when it should be in HD.

KFXK 51 in Longview is better than KMSS about switching. Lots of people in KMSS western area should be able to get 51 with a big antenna & preamp. I'm about the same distance from both.

You're welcome Windham9,
we are scheduled for a second transmitter in August, but at this stage it is not clear yet if it will allow for an increase in power or if it is only a backup. There are too many things I do not know yet. The price of 720 or 1080 is the same, virtually all HD equipment do both resolution. As for the HD weather bug capability we tried to get it passed in '08 but it didn't happen for reasons that I have no control over. It certainly is on the priority list now, and will be even more after June 12, as it should.
Thanks again for your support, I will convey you compliments to our News team.


Backup is a good thing. I always have a solid 85-90% KSLA signal while pointed properly. Sometimes KSLA & KYTX show different NFL games (actually have 4 hd sets now) and most of the time I can tune 19 and still get 12. Sometimes 19 comes in when I'm pointed at 12. The 350 kW would not hurt my feelings, but just a backup unit beats downtime anyday. Be nice if the weather deal got done by football regular season. Same equipment probably let them do those primetime news crawlers without dropping out of HD. Maybe next year HD news, thats gonna cost a lot and be worth it. KSLA news always gets the big story. Sports highlights in HD without anti-Cowboy Fletcher, lol.

Maybe next year HD news...

Report on the Tyler board is that CBS19 starts full HD news this Thursday 4/23.

Report on the Tyler board is that CBS19 starts full HD news this Thursday 4/23.

Is this the same station that had a blond that was a reporter on a reality show that was on only one time because of terrible ratings?

Is this the same station that had a blond that was a reporter on a reality show that was on only one time because of terrible ratings?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lauren_Jones

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anchorwoman_(TV_series)

Hope this happens, please! Weather insertion into HD stream will be awesome. Are you still/when going to 350 kW?

I dont watch much ABC stuff, prefer CBS programming, but those KTBS guys got HD insertion, HD news, ads, even Dr phil. Doing all this on KPXJ21 too. Know thats 720, 1080 gotta be more $$$. KSLA easily has the best news, it should be in HD.

KMSS is sometimes getting the 2.5 men & Raymond reruns up in HD. Please spend the $$$ on the weather insertion asap. Thanks for listening to viewers here online too.


Correct me if I'm wrong but KTBS' news isn't in HD. Believe it's just widescreen SD. Not complaining because at least it's widescreen. And the cost for 720p and 1080i is the same. Makes no difference. ;)

Correct me if I'm wrong but KTBS' news isn't in HD. Believe it's just widescreen SD. Not complaining because at least it's widescreen. And the cost for 720p and 1080i is the same. Makes no difference. ;)

not sure, but it does look good. Filling the screen and much more 3d, crisp detail. Looks HD to me.

It isn't HD. More like 16:9 standard def. Might be 480p. Probably the same type cameras they used on shows like Deadliest Catch before they started filming in true high def.

Through no fault of ours, our rural area of East Texas is under the Shreveport, LA, coverage area, even though we are closer to more relevant Texas areas (Lufkin, Nacogdoches). But, be that as it may, I wonder when DirecTV HDTV for local channels will be made for Shreveport?

I just moved up here from the Houston area, and my current location address is still registered for Houston in its registry. I was surprised that I still have access to all the local Houston HD channels on my HD receiver. I assumed that the Houston footprint wouldn't reach this far north, with our being 150 miles further north. Apparently, the footprint does. This means, that Houston NBC, PBS, ABC, CBS, etc., are all in HD on DirecTV. However, if I registered the Shreveport coverage area, then that HD access would disappear.

So, receiving-wise, I can pick up HOUSTON channel HD on DirecTV. Shows that technically, the downlink works great. Just wish that Shreveport would flip the switch and join the club (contractual junk???).

NOTE: This post used to be here (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=15948920), but the mod suggested I place it in this forum instead.

Welcome to the world of "moving".

Through no fault of ours, our rural area of East Texas is under the Shreveport, LA, coverage area, even though we are closer to more relevant Texas areas (Lufkin, Nacogdoches). But, be that as it may, I wonder when DirecTV HDTV for local channels will be made for Shreveport?

I just moved up here from the Houston area, and my current location address is still registered for Houston in its registry. I was surprised that I still have access to all the local Houston HD channels on my HD receiver. I assumed that the Houston footprint wouldn't reach this far north, with our being 150 miles further north. Apparently, the footprint does. This means, that Houston NBC, PBS, ABC, CBS, etc., are all in HD on DirecTV. However, if I registered the Shreveport coverage area, then that HD access would disappear.

So, receiving-wise, I can pick up HOUSTON channel HD on DirecTV. Shows that technically, the downlink works great. Just wish that Shreveport would flip the switch and join the club (contractual junk???).

NOTE: This post used to be here (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=15948920), but the mod suggested I place it in this forum instead.


Welcome to "Shreveport" where often times the switch DOESN'T get flipped for HD and when there are weather warnings you won't see HD.

DON'T register here, stick with what you have. This is Shreveport, you may be waiting some time before they do this anyway.

FCC denies KTVE and KARD hardship waivers.

From KARD's latest Form 387 (Transition Report) filing (dated 4/16/09), their analog facility appears to be off the air. Can anyone confirm analog 14 is off the air?

http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/prefill_and_display.pl?Application_id=1308968&Service=TV&Form_id=387&Facility_id=3658

ON APRIL 9, 2009, KARD'S TRANSMITTER SITE LOST POWER SEVERAL TIMES DUE TO POWER OUTAGES AT THE LOCAL ELECTRIC COMPANY. THE REPEATED CYCLE OF LOSS OF POWER AND RESUMPTION OF POWER CAUSED MULTIPLE POWER SURGES TO KARD'S ANALOG TRANSMITTER OVER A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. WHEN THE POWER LEVELS FINALLY STABILIZED (THROUGH OPERATION OF THE STATION'S GENERATOR) STATION PERSONNEL WERE UNABLE TO SUCCESSFULLY RESTART THE TRANSMITTER. AN INSPECTION OF THE TRANSMITTER REVEALED THAT IT HAS SIGNIFICANT FAULTS, INCLUDING SEVERAL FISSURES AND LEAKS IN THE COOLANT SYSTEM, A RUPTURE TO THE COOLANT TANK, A BROKEN FLOW INTERLOCK (ALSO A PART OF THE COOLING SYSTEM), AND FAILURE OF THE RF LOGIC CARD. LOSS OF THE RF LOGIC CARD PREVENTS THE INTERLOCK AND SAFETY SYSTEMS FROM OPERATING PROPERLY.

KAQY is off the air tonight (4/29). Anybody know why?

Hey man, I don't want to narc on local analogs but they have been off since before 4/16.
Is the list released by the FCC on 3/17/09 regarding stations transitioning before 6/12 accurate? If so, then 2 Jackson, MS stations would switch on 5/4 & 5/5.
From KARD's latest Form 387 (Transition Report) filing (dated 4/16/09), their analog facility appears to be off the air. Can anyone confirm analog 14 is off the air?

http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/prefill_and_display.pl?Application_id=1308968&Service=TV&Form_id=387&Facility_id=3658

KAQY is off the air tonight (4/29). Anybody know why?

Not sure, but I've already missed Lost and now my wife is going to miss her shows tonight. Anyone have a number for them? Would love to get an ETA on when they will be back online.

Hey man, I don't want to narc on local analogs but they have been off since before 4/16.
Is the list released by the FCC on 3/17/09 regarding stations transitioning before 6/12 accurate? If so, then 2 Jackson, MS stations would switch on 5/4 & 5/5.


Black text on Black background... nice post! ;)

I know folks were asking before on the DishNetwork side... Ft Smith AR locals are now available. Click the spotbeam hyperlink on the locals for the coverage area.

Pack up the virtual U-Haul.

http://www.satelliteguys.us/dish-network-uplink-center/173985-5-6-2009-1-38pm-uplink-activity-report-115-changes.html

Sport should fall into the range easily.

http://www.satelliteguys.us/thelist/database/Subscription/images/CIEL2_SB37.jpg

When did KSLA add programming on their 12-2? It is still named Tube in the guide but it is the "this" channel. First glance it is a crappy picture and waste of bandwidth. Same as Tube.

When did KSLA add programming on their 12-2? It is still named Tube in the guide but it is the "this" channel. First glance it is a crappy picture and waste of bandwidth. Same as Tube.

I know is is probably not possible but too bad they couldn't put the main channel there WITHOUT the weather warnings and logo and be in HD.

Hello Ronald_Jeremy,
ThisTv Network was soft-"launched" during April and is now fully operational.
I announced it on 02-03-09 in this Forum. We have taken great care not to rob quality from our main CBS HD feed, considering that this is only a free Movie Channel. We are due for a Firmware upgrade in our encoders that will allow to increase the quality of the predictive bandwidth allocator, sometimes in the near future. When this is available, I will try to tweak the ThisTv quality while preserving CBS.
Hello DBriana;
This is a great suggestion, thank you, but we indeed can't do that.
The issue with Weather Bugs and such is that the Law still mandates that we warn the viewing public, and at this time, the Law has not caught up with the technological advances that the Law mandated more than ten years ago (DTV).
As a Local affiliate, we still have to comply with rules that do not reflect the fact that, yes, as you suggested, we could just air all the weather related stuff on 12-3, our dedicated Wx24/7 channel. One key issue is that some local cable systems, and all satellite providers do >not< carry our WX24/7, and because of this we have to be redundant in order to fulfill our mandate to you, the viewing Public, through 12-1 Ksla-Cbs.
It is in our interest as a Broadcaster, to satisfy our viewers, because our industry is ratings driven; As I mentioned earlier, we tried to get HD up-conversion equipment earlier last year to alleviate this issue, we foresaw it. It did not happen, what is done is done, and there is not much else that I can do but listen to your good suggestions and explain where we are.
As always, I appreciate the feedback on this Forum, and I thank you all for it.

One more thing, Ronald, I just double-checked that "THisTV" is showing up as "ThisTV" in our PSIP tables and PAT descriptors; you might want to re-scan all channels on your setup, you should see the correct name for it;
Please let me know how it goes, thank you !

Thanks for your response.

I will try that.

Anyone else here in the Monroe area notice the national HD channels on Comcast are sporadically freezing? The local HDs seem to be fine, but every national HD channel I've checked seems to be freezing up.

Lately I've been watching mostly CBS 19 KYTX, they have HD news and rarely drop out of HD.

I know is is probably not possible but too bad they couldn't put the main channel there WITHOUT the weather warnings and logo and be in HD.


Ugh, that has been driving me crazy for the past two weekends! A few weekends ago I was trying to watch golf on CBS and had to deal with the weather crawl warning thing and the feed in SD instead of HD. Then last weekend I had to deal with the same thing on NBC trying to watch the Players Championship. I wish all these local stations would get up with the times and be like KTBS and be able to broadcast in HD while having the weather crawls on the screen. It's ridiculous that we have to deal with that. So annoying!

Ksla failed to switch to Hd for Y&R yesterday 5/14. Was back in HD today.

Bet a west pointed big antenna (cm3671) & preamp in south Shreveport- Stonewall would get CBS 19. Rarely drop out of HD.

One more thing, Ronald, I just double-checked that "THisTV" is showing up as "ThisTV" in our PSIP tables and PAT descriptors; you might want to re-scan all channels on your setup, you should see the correct name for it;
Please let me know how it goes, thank you !I think I love you. In a non-gay way of course.

ThisTV has "Mr. Ed" reruns!!!

Hooking my mom up with HD from Haughtesia. (aka Haughton) Got the TV. Just need a good antenna that will work in the attic. Anybody running a CM4228 from the attic in Haughtesia? Or what antenna you running in an attic? This is just 1/2 mile SE of Eastwood area off Chandler Road.

Looks like Shreveport DishNetwork folks might be in luck now for HD locals (or should I say alternative locals) ;)

http://www.satelliteguys.us/dish-network-technical-discussions/177730-charlie-chat-caps-bytes.html#post1851640

Looks like Shreveport DishNetwork folks might be in luck now for HD locals (or should I say alternative locals) ;)

http://www.satelliteguys.us/dish-network-technical-discussions/177730-charlie-chat-caps-bytes.html#post1851640

I'm looking but I must be missing something. Fill me in?

Hi folks,
Don't quote me on this, but there was lots of new equipment set up at the Local Satellite signal pick up facility, as recently as 2 weeks ago.
There is still a short run of fiber that needs to be installed and lit, it can take some time, and after that, test of Locals in HD will begin for probably a month.
My best guestimate would be that around August / September HD over sat should be available in the Shreveport DMA.
Then again, I'm not affiliated with them, and officially I know nothin' !!

Hi folks,
Don't quote me on this, but there was lots of new equipment set up at the Local Satellite signal pick up facility, as recently as 2 weeks ago.
There is still a short run of fiber that needs to be installed and lit, it can take some time, and after that, test of Locals in HD will begin for probably a month.
My best guestimate would be that around August / September HD over sat should be available in the Shreveport DMA.
Then again, I'm not affiliated with them, and officially I know nothin' !!

Great. Hopefully we get them then. Thanks for the info.

I'm looking but I must be missing something. Fill me in?
If you look at the slides, the "Distant Networks" law is changing with the digital transition. Which means if Dish does not provide a local affiliate(of the big networks) in our area they would be legally allowed to provide us with an alternative until they get the local affiliate for that area. At least that is what I gathered from the slides. But I think they provide us with the big 4 so it wouldn't apply to people who subscribe to Shreveport locals.

Or maybe he is saying that we might be able to "move" and now get Lafayette HD or Baton Rouge HD since we are probably in their spot beam.