Before the preamp (and when I had the RS VU 190 ONLY) I got KETZ @ around 22%. When I connected the preamp to the 190, I got between 65 and 70%. I has only been since I installed the 4228 that I havent been getting KETZ. I now have the 190 about 3 or so feet below the 4228, and the whole system is about five or so feet higher than it was before. Should I space the two antennas farther apart?

How long were those people in Longview, in the Tyler DMA? I would think Directv would let them qualify for both... just to keep customers happy. Something similar happened in Arkansas... When Nevada county got switched from the Little Rock to Shreveport DMA... so many people complained, that Directv finally "grandfathered" the customers that had LR locals... and allowed them to choose.

That part of Longview in Harrison County was never in the Tyler DMA. But they got Tyler locals because they had a Longview zip code, and Directv (D*) used your zip code to qualify which locals you should receive. Now the only criteria that D* uses is your county of residence, so those people got "switched" from Tyler to Shreveport. AFAIK, they were not grandfathered and now only receive the Shreveport locals.

I have been trying for 2 years to get D* to give us KERA Dallas as our PBS, instead of the PBS National feed. The standard response that I get over and over is "We are not allowed to offer out of market channels," even though both cable and Dish Network both carry it in the Tyler DMA.

BTW, I read the story about the old KTVE a while back... I found it on Wikipedia. Were you the one that added it?

I don't think that it was me who added, but I have made several contributions to Wikipedia and don't remember what I added.

Before the preamp (and when I had the RS VU 190 ONLY) I got KETZ @ around 22%. When I connected the preamp to the 190, I got between 65 and 70%. I has only been since I installed the 4228 that I havent been getting KETZ. I now have the 190 about 3 or so feet below the 4228, and the whole system is about five or so feet higher than it was before. Should I space the two antennas farther apart?

Do you somehow have the VU-190 and the 4228 coupled together, or are you using the 4228 only? KETZ-DT is operating on RF channel 12, so the 4228, being a UHF antenna, is not going to receive channel 12 as well as the VU-190. The 4228 will work for VHF-high, but it actually has more VHF gain out the BACK of the antenna as the screen acts as a radiating element, instead of a reflector.

If you are coupling the antennas, be aware that it is very difficult to couple 2 or more antennas without getting problems with multipath. Multipath is the bane of digital television reception. The only time you can do it reliably is if you have a dedicated VHF and a dedicate UHF antenna, and use a V/U coupler, or if the antennas are pointed in the same direction and you use exact same length feedlines between the coupler and the antennas. Just some points to consider.

I have the 190 and the 4228 connected to the 7777 preamp. I have the 190 connected to the VHF input, and the 4228 connected to the UHF input. Would that cause a problem?

I have the 190 and the 4228 connected to the 7777 preamp. I have the 190 connected to the VHF input, and the 4228 connected to the UHF input. Would that cause a problem?

You should be OK with that setup as far as mulitpath is concerned. Do you have the VU-190 pointed at KETZ? That should be the optimal situation to receive it. It may now just be a matter of trying to find the correct vertical positioning of the two antennas. You may want to put the VU-190 back at it's original height. Unless you are going up 100 feet, higher is not necessarily better. Sometimes moving the antenna up or down a few feet can mean the difference between receiving it or not. Also, if you have trees around, moving up might point the antenna more into the tree canopy.

Try just removing the 4228 from the 7777 UHF input and see if anything changes.

IOW, lots of trial and error.

I thought about moving the 190 back to where I originally had it... and just keep the 4228 where it is.. I'd have to get another tri-pod to mount the 190 back where it originally was, but it shouldn't be a problem. And yes, the 190 is pointing into some trees when I have it pointed toward the transmitter. In the original spot, there are not as many trees in front of where the antenna was pointing. So I'll try that, and see if it works..because I haven't received KETZ since I moved the setup.

Well... it looks like KNOE has turned their translator station on Channel 18 back on. I'm unable to receive KSLA-DT now. I dont think their translator is working properly, because it has caused interference on channels 17, 19, and 20 for years. I finally emailed KNOE about it, asking them to fix the problem. Read what I sent to them, and if there's a way to get around the interference on the neighboring channels, let me know :)


Hello,

I am wondering if there is any specific reason why KNOE operates a translator on
channel 18 here in El Dorado? I live only half a mile from where the translator
is located, and the signal is barely Grade "B". Also, the translator
causes interference on channels 17, 19, and 20. Channel 17 sounds like an FM radio
station, Channel 19 looks to be KETG, the AETN affiliate out of Arkadelphia... no
sound, just static and the video. Channel 20 looks to be a copy of KTVE's signal.
Again, just static, and the video. You may want to look into this problem. This
translator has been causing trouble for quite a few OTA digital television viewers
in the El Dorado area. While your translator was off line over the past two weeks,
I was able to receive KLTM-DT (RF 19) (LPB Monroe) and KSLA-DT (RF 17) (CBS Shreveport)
on a day to day basis. I could tell when your translator was back on the air (sometime
yesterday morning or early afternoon), due to the fact that it causes severe interference
on these two frequencies. Again, you may want to check Channels 17, 19, and 20...
I'm sure you don't want to carry AETN and KTVE on channels 19, and 20, respectively.

I would watch KNOE-DT for CBS programming in HD, but I have only managed to receive
it twice. I shouldn't have a problem receiving it, but, then again, due to
your digital signal being on RF 7, KATV analog 7 (Little Rock) causes interference
with your signal.

Please, check your channel 18 translator. It's not working properly, the picture
quality is below average (I receive analog channel 8 with a better quality signal),
and it's causing unacceptable interference on neighboring frequencies.

KETK will be on 1080i HD by the fall season.
That will be wonderful!!!
Anyone heard a date on KFXK going 720p?

Now if only KTAL would go HD..... but as it looks, KTVE will be online way before them :)

Hey guys, just got my antenna up and running, I went ahead and got the TD-DB2 with a 6 foot mount. Now I have it sitting outside on my deck/patio, but I am still unable to get NBC 6.1? (is this the correct channel?). Anyhow, now that i have it set I am recieveing all 5 channel's(ABC,CBS,WB,UPN,FOX) at around 85-92% this is mid -day testing. Well , I just wanted to make sure i was on the right channel for NBC.
Thanks
Keith

Did you try the physical channel, which is 15? See what your signal strength is on that channel, and see if you can lock on to it. If not, they are actually still at low power and not broadcasting in HD at the moment, so I wouldn't worry about them until November. That's the "scheduled" time they're suppose to be up to speed. Hope this helps!

Is the Saint's game going to be HD? I see on the schedule that Nfl Network is showing it tommorow in HD, but i was wondering if there was a way to get the game in HD today.
Thank
Keith

I think KMSS is just showing the game locally tonight. I notice that they are showing the game inside the "FOX" HD box, but I think they're just showing it locally. I get Little Rock locals on Directv, and they are showing Cops. So I guess that's a no, unfortunately :(

I think KMSS is just showing the game locally tonight. I notice that they are showing the game inside the "FOX" HD box, but I think they're just showing it locally. I get Little Rock locals on Directv, and they are showing Cops. So I guess that's a no, unfortunately :(

Yeah , thats what had me confused. I saw the Fox HD box but no HD .

You know, it's a shame that FOX doesn't braodcast MAD TV in HD. You would think they would, since SNL is.

Just an update for you guys that know my situation with KETZ and KNOE. I moved my VHF antenna, the VU-190, back to it's original location yesterday, and managed to receive KNOE well yesterday evening... although it may have been due to weather conditions, I'll have to see tonight. I also have KETZ back, with signal strength in the 70's. I may end up getting another rotator for the 190, since between KETZ and KNOE, it's about 50 or so degrees. I can get KETZ with the antenna pointed toward Monroe, but the signal strength is noticably lower. I still have the 4228 in the same position, so now both antennas are about 15 feet apart each other, and I have a 25 foot coax running from the 190 to the preamp. If the 190 still proves to be a little inadequate in receving KNOE, I may jump up to the 3671...hopefully that will not be the case :)

That will be wonderful!!!
Anyone heard a date on KFXK going 720p?

Equipment ordered this week.

KFXK will be going 720p (FOX) full time and adding KLPN (MyNetwork) as a secondary channel.

Keith how is your luck with the 190? You still able to receive KNOE? I can give you a little advice on the 3671, I put one up at my mothers house in Downsville and really have not been that impressed. They used to have the 190 and I dont think the 3671 is much better in my opinion. Have you looked into one of the Wade antennas for vhf? I heard it is awesome.

I receive KNOE in the evenings... not sure exactly what time, as I went to bed pretty early last night, but I woke back up at around 11:45 and KNOE was there.

Thanks for the info on the 3671... I actually looked on the Wade website at an antenna that looks perfect for my problem. I'm thinking about calling their Tyler, TX branch to see if they have it there... it'd be worth the 3-4 hour drive..lol.

Howdy Folks, Sorry for the long delay... Yes.. AETN is on our tower. They are running low power but have a really nice transmitter and setup. KTVE-DT is comming along. We are now firming up the delivery dates of the transmitter, as well as the antenna. Our current date is still mid october but it could go earlier or later depending on shipping dates. If I can keep this Old Analog transmitter going I will be able to put some more work in the DT.

KTVE-DT will run its HD 24/7 (SD will be upconverted to HD) We will run a SD signal as well, but are unsure of what it will be. It might be FOX since Nexstar takes its sweet time, but we will have to work out a deal with Fox as well as Nexstar. We might run something else, but still unsure. The HD will be Dolby 5.1 audio ( of course when HD format is comming down from NBC)

KTVE will be making HD our #1 priority. We hope you enjoy.. I will be at the transmitter most of the day tomorrow..

Joe Holland
Director of Engineering and Operations
KTVE

Excellent new Joe! The good news keeps coming. Thanks again for keeping us posted.

Joe,

Thanks for keeping us posted. It's nice to know an approximate date, now! Just curious, but how old is KTVE's analog transmitter? It must have went offline Monday morning, because KLFY in Lafayette was coming in on Channel 10.

On the SD feed that you're going to add, it would be nice to have KARD on a subchannel, but if that doesn't work out, maybe NBC's WeatherPlus would be a good alternative. I was actually going to suggest that. Either that or just a weather subchannel. In any case, it'll be a good day when you're on at full power HD :)

Also, I've always wondered as to why all the Monroe towers are located in Columbia. I understand why KTVE's isn't, because El Dorado is the COL..but I've just wondered why KNOE, KLTM, KARD, etc isn't located closer to Monroe.

I started receiving AETN again, I agree they have a good transmitter, but it's directional, and El Dorado is kind of on the back side of their pattern. I get some breakups during the day when I have the antenna pointed toward Columbia, even with a signal in the 70's. Right now it's MIA, probably due to tropo from Little Rock, which means KTHV-DT Channel 12 is probably fighting with the signal. It's too bad they (AETN) didn't pick a UHF channel for digital.

Almost forgot Joe, do you know what would be causing KTVE to be coming in on analog channel 20 here in El Dorado? I know it's due to KNOE's translator here on 18, and I emailed them about it (no response)... but for the longest time, AETN comes in on channel 19 (very noisy sound, but color picture) and KTVE's signal comes in on channel 20 (just static and a black and white picture). It goes away when I don't have the antenna pointed in the direction of their translator... so maybe it's due to me being so close (within a mile)... but that still shouldn't be happening, should it?

Good question there... I'm not sure but more than likely their transmitter is hitting some harmonic frequency. But channel 20... That’s a good distance in frequency 10 is VHF and 20 is UHF. I would have to bring a spectrum analyzer up to check it out. UHF is the choice for DTV. You don’t have the multi-path problems that you have with VHF.

For KNOE their COL is Monroe, KARD is West Monroe, and KAQY is Columbia. The two sites that the towers are on are very interesting geography. It is extremely high for the average ASL. To hit the maximum impact on the DMA at the time it was drawn, Columbia was the obvious choice. Since, the DMA map has changed. KTVE has to transmit City grade into El Dorado. That's why it is located where it is. Also... The site was the location of the old KTVE tower, when the new one was installed in the 80's they used the existing transmitter, with a new antenna.

KTVE's Analog is 2 Harris TV-50H transmitters in a TVD-100 configuration. The first transmitter replaced the old 1960 RCA in 81, in 85-86 the second transmitter was installed and combined together. So the oldest part of the transmitter is 25 years old. The Apple II + was the computer of the day just to let you know how much technology has changed ( I still have a Apple IIe with 2 with a 5 mb hard drive in my antique collection)

We have to pump soooo much power out is because KTVE is circularly polarized. It was a concept in that was supposed to help out all those rabbit ears out there (actually it was a cash boom for equipment suppliers) but just made our electrical bills double, we have to replace 2x the tubes (most expensive one is around $14k and we have 2) double the A/C (air cooled transmitter) and the graying and balding of all of the Chief Engineers before and including me. I look SOOOOOO forward to 2009! Will have to pull some parts for my ham shack he he then BOOM!

We would LOVE to put Fox on the SD but it really depends on what Fox will allow us to do. NBC’s Weather Plus costs a Lot of money so I know that won’t happen. We could always put Doppler on there 24/7  but that would get old after a while. We might do 24/7 news until we have a selection.

Hope that answered some questions...

73

Joe Holland
Director of Engineering KTVE

BTW I just recieved an email from Acrodyne and they are projecting delivery date of October the 15th... Not to worry... I will moan and complain to get it here faster.

Now to the building contractor.. We start the dirt work next week and should have the foundation poured the week following.

Thanks for answering my questions Joe...I emailed KNOE about the problem on channel 20, but got no response. I actually sent a complaint to the FCC and mailed a copy to KNOE. I don't expect anything to be done about it, but they could at least check in to it. I think the interference is only if one is very close to their translator, as I have a family member that lives outside of town on the Junction City Hwy.. and only has rabbit ears, and no interference on 19 or 20 (of course, KNOE analog has better reception to the south of town, so she doesn't watch the translator).

Also, in my opinion, KNOE made a very bad choice on choosing channel 7 as their digital channel...Due to KATV analog 7 to the north causing frequent interference. I'll have a signal in the 60's and low 70's but pixelation and sound break-ups. Same goes for KETZ on certain late evenings, due to KTHV-DT 12 in LR.

In any case, I'm glad you chose RF 27 for digital! And I'm also glad that the ball is finally rolling with KTVE-HD. October 15 is less than 2 months away :) No longer will we have to be prisoners of weather conditions in order to watch NBC-HD!

I didn't know NBC's WeatherPlus cost the stations any money... I just assumed any NBC affiliate could add it, if they wished. Oh well, a 24 hour news subchannel would be just as great. Anyway, thanks again for all the updates.. they are MUCH appreciated!

BTW I just recieved an email from Acrodyne and they are projecting delivery date of October the 15th... Not to worry... I will moan and complain to get it here faster.

Now to the building contractor.. We start the dirt work next week and should have the foundation poured the week following.

Very good news for those in the Monroe DMA, and also for those near Greenville, MS which will finally get NBC in HD. I understand WLBT-DT Jackson has gone the VHF (9) and directional route, which has hurt potential viewers in and near their DMA.

Actually, WLBT's coverage is almost to Delhi, LA, which is about 75 miles from the Raymond towers. Delhi is about the cut-off for the other digitals in Jackson. I've never been able to receive them, except for an occasional receiver lock on channel 9 during the late evenings. But I agree that VHF, even high VHF, is a poor choice for digital.

Well I have been having pretty good luck with Jackson locals at night and the fox affiliate for natchez. The only one I cannot get is channel 9. Location is funny Keith I would figure you could occasionally pick jackson up but thats the way it is sometimes lol.

Well I've received WAPT, WJTV, and WMPN digital a few times...last night the receiver was attempting to decode them, but didn't quite make it. I find myself having fairly good luck with Little Rock the past week...but I know that'll change.

To any of the members on the Shreveport/Monroe board that live in the SHV/Bossier area, and have a better idea of local full power status, etc., is KSHV broadcasting at full power, or are they still on a STA? Do they broadcast in HD? I have only managed to lock on their signal once, and the picture was literally only for a few seconds. I couldnt find anything on their site, stating they were in HD or at full power. Any info would be appreciated :)

P.S. - I havent received KSLA-DT since KNOE's translator on channel 18 came back online here in El Dorado. For some reason it casues interference on channel 17 at my location. While the translator was offline, I was receiving KSLA-DT on a evening/nightly basis after 7:00.

To any of the members on the Shreveport/Monroe board that live in the SHV/Bossier area, and have a better idea of local full power status, etc., is KSHV broadcasting at full power, or are they still on a STA? Do they broadcast in HD? I have only managed to lock on their signal once, and the picture was literally only for a few seconds. I couldnt find anything on their site, stating they were in HD or at full power. Any info would be appreciated :)

P.S. - I havent received KSLA-DT since KNOE's translator on channel 18 came back online here in El Dorado. For some reason it casues interference on channel 17 at my location. While the translator was offline, I was receiving KSLA-DT on a evening/nightly basis after 7:00.

Based off of antennaweb, I live about 20 miles or so from the towers and I get anywere from 70%-90% signal strength. I not into nay of WB's show but from clicking on there a few times I have noticed Gilmore Girls and 7th Heaven?? in HD , and the PQ is great.
Simmons

Thanks for the info. I just wasnt sure what their status was, as I don't receive them here. It's good to know they do some HD, though.

How is your antenna setup going? Are you receiving everything you wanted to receive, now?

Anybody know why DTV does not have broadcasting rights in the Monroe/ElDo market?

Joe?

I wondered that, myself. I think it has something to do with the market size. My installer said it would be soon...but that was a few months ago. I ended up "moving" my service to Camden, which is in the Little Rock market, in order to watch locals. When *D gets locals here though, I'll "move" back.

It is funny that Dish network has Monroe locals but Directv doesnt. I think Directv carries smaller markets than Monroe so I dont think size is issue. Keith I moved to Mena to a white spot and got the NY locals and Little Rock. I know it is just a matter of time before Directv goes to MPEG4 and I have to lose the NY locals.

Yeah, I read somewhere that Little Rock HD locals are suppose to go up by the end of the year :( Do you have the 3 LNB or 5 LNB dish?

I have the 3 LNB dish. From my understanding Directv forces the installer to install the new dish so I would have to move my address back here for that reason.

Wow Keith I just looked at your slideshow pics and cant beleive you picked up Houston and Galsveston stations. That must have really been a good tropo night.

Same here...I have the 3 LNB. It was suppose to be the 5 LNB, but I didnt figure out it was the wrong dish until everything was said and done with. The same day, I moved my service to Camden and got the LR locals. The address I used qualified for CBS, ABC, and FOX in HD. My H20 receiver has been malfunctioning since I got it... I called DirecTV and they're suppose to be sending me another one.

One thing that I thought was funny, was when I entered in my address to the DNS eligibility page, I qualified for FOX and ABC. No CBS. It classified KNOE-DT as a Grade "A" signal. One day, I'm going to get the itch to request a waiver from KNOE just for fun, and then when they deny it, I'll have them do a signal test to show they're wrong. Of course it's more trouble than it's worth, it would just put a smile on my face when they find out they would have to grant me a waiver. I havent got in to one of those moods yet, though.

I took those pics of Houston and Galveston last Sunday night/Monday morning. You're right, it was a great night... I was getting signals in the 80's at peaks. It was also cool to see programs simulcast in Spanish, etc. I was also getting the Houston stations on Monday night, but havent seen them since. There's a tropo forecast map online, in case you havent heard about it. I'll give you the link if you want it.

Edit - here is the link (http://www.dxinfocentre.com/tropo.html)

That map is how I knew to check in the Houston direction. There was a bunch of red/pink toward that area, which means to be on the lookout :) There isn't much going on the next week though, unfortunately.

DirecTv!.... Let me tell you a little story about DTV. Several years ago, DTV called and advised that they were looking for a location to co-locate their equipment in Monroe/West Monroe. They visited my station and KNOE and even KMCT. We signed Retrans agreements with DTV (and have every 2 years since) but still nothing. When you call the DTV Broadcaster contact numbers.. you always get "Next Year." I haven't called them in some time... I am SOOOO Sick of waivers. KTVE alone gets approx 200 waivers every 2 weeks. KARD gets about the same. I here everything from Iron ore to huge 200 year old pine trees...I verify waivers twice a month and then await the phone calls from people that live in Huttig to call and complain because they can't get a signal from KTVE... Give me a break... KTVE's tower hits the horizon approx 70 miles in most directions. On the other side of Ruston gives a little problem. I don't find this problem with the people here, mainly because you folks are trying to pick up a station 80-90-100 miles away. So you have a high gain directional antenna. The majority of people are trying to pick up KTVE on one of those clip on dish antennas that work better as a paperweight.

Those are the calls I get... I had one the other day, from Marion louisiana (15 miles south of the transmitter.) This person advised that they didn't feel they should have to put up an antenna (of course he had an outside antenna his DirecTv antenna). This was their right to be able to choose where they get their signals from. I reminded them of the SHVIA and they lived 15 miles south of the transmitter (currently in my nice voice.) Then I was told that I was going to give them a waiver or they would contact their congressman, attorney, pastor, school teacher, whatever. Then after another round of rejection... That is where the conversation went south and the first of many 4 letter words came from his mouth.

Generally I get 2-3 of these calls a week. It takes people like you folks and all your friends to complain to DirecTv to get their act in gear and pick up some of these markets as they have agreed to do in the SHVIA then we wouldnt have such a huge waste of time. They love to blame the local stations when they already know the outcome before they send the waiver. We both use the same data to issue waivers so they already know. Then they tell the viewer to contact their local stations and try that away... They do that so that they look like the good guy. Anyway... enough from the DirecTv soapbox.. Cheers

Joe Holland
Director of Engineering and Operations
KTVE

KTVE alone gets approx 200 waivers every 2 weeks. KARD gets about the same.

Wow! 200 waivers every two weeks??? I bet thats too much to keep up with. I wouldn't even think of requesting a waiver from KTVE (only 20 miles from the tower) I can get your signal with a paperclip. KNOE is another story. How many waivers does KTVE get from the southern parishes in the DMA? Wouldn't that be your weakest signal area?

Yes I heard the same thing from my installer. Well he actually said a few months...haha. Most people around here have Dish. I got Directv because of a deal they were having at the time. The only thing I actually watch is Letterman and I listen to the XM radio. The rest of the time I'm watching, or trying to watch OTA HD.

Joe, I have another question about interference... the cable company in El Dorado has carried KTVE on cable channel 10 for years, and the picture has always had a series of big bars go through the screen, 24/7. Would this be caused by the transmitter being so nearby? I'm guessing that there is such thing as cable interference, and that's why in Little Rock, all the locals are one channel off (KATV is on Ch.6, KTHV is on Ch. 10, KARK Ch. 5, etc) In EL Dorado, all the local channels are on the real channel. But El Dorado is far enough away from any transmitter, except KTVE's.

I mean the picture is watchable, but the lines, bars, and ghosts get annoying :) The analog picture OTA is *much* better. You might want to call them and see if they can't move KTVE to an adjacent chanel on their line-up.. maybe swap KETG (9) and KTVE.

Thanks again for taking time to answer all of our petty questions!

Well the main reason I have Directv is for the NFL sunday ticket. Being a Redskin fan in LA means maybe 3 games a year so Sunday ticket is a must. I see almost everyone with Dish now because of the locals. That is a huge selling point to most people and has turned the tide for Dish network in this market. Keith I do like XM alot also. I have XM and Sirius in two different vehicles and find myself liking XM much better for music and Sirius for talk and sports.

Totally had the wrong station in mind sorry.:-)

I've really never cared for Dish...don't know why...Directv just seems to make better equipment (esp. HD receivers).

Yes! XM is the best. I grow tired of all the ads on commercial radio. Plus, I hate it when I'm listening to a favorite song, and the station starts going staticy due to my disance from the transmitter. When I go out of town, I usually leave it on the familiar station until I just can't even understand what's going on anymore...frankly because I hate scanning the stations to find a good one! I'm lazy. :)

Hey Ken,

I just now noticed your post from earlier... what exactly does it mean? :)

Well the weather front has really made for some good signals from Shreveport. I have receieved KTBS, KMSS, and KPXJ all day. I had KTAL for the evening as well (not very much in other words)... KSLA just will not come in anymore since KNOEs translator came back online. I got one still image from them this afternoon, but thats it. I cant wait til analog shuts down...

Oh yes, I emailed KTAL about full power HD. They said the current date is November 9th. We shall see. KTVE-DT should be online and running before then *keeping fingers crossed*

Well KNOE has added another subchannel with a guide now. It is 8-2DT that has WB programming guide on it but the testing screen still on. That goes with the 8-2sd is already there they have been running ads on it saying it is the new CW network on Sep 18th. I dont know why they did this unless they are gonna add another subchannel.

So they have CBS-HD, and two subchannels??

I answered my own question... I've been getting KNOE-DT all day today, and all I see is 8-1 and 8-2. 8-2 being just a test screen. Didn't notice any PSIP info for the WB, though :)

I was trying to reply about the KSHV post but i was thinking of KPXJ...bad brain cramp. LOL

Ken do you have any problems with KSHV in Bossier? I thought I read from the early posts in this thread that you couldn't receive them or KMSS... I'm sure those posts were made before they increased power, but I want just curious if your reception of those two changed any.

No problems that i know of on KSHV, I tried it tonight just to see, I never watch them, Not in HD right now but pic looks good. KMSS comes in great since they increased power. Only problem i really have is my TV does not automatically add KSLA or KMSS when i do a scan, I have to do it manually.

Even KTAL digital is decent tonight, much better than the analog on cable.

I was receiving KTAL-DT Wednesday night (believe it or not) with a signal in the 60's. The PQ was clear for SD. I'm just hoping they'll stay on track for the November HD date.

And it's good to know KSHV broadcasts in HD..though there is nothing on there worth watching, that's one more HD channel :) I'll be moving down there in a couple weeks, so there will be no more worrying about weather conditions in order to receive OTA HD for me! :-D

So you are moving out of El Dorado Keith? If so you will be in alot better shape for getting digital channels in Shreveport.

I was offered a job down there, so it won't be for a couple more weeks. With my luck, the location I move in to will be in a dead spot...lol. I'll be in El Dorado every couple weeks, though...This is my hometown after all.. I can tolerate it when I'm just visiting :)

Keith if you need to get rid of some of that old equipment when you get ready to move I know someone who might would take it off your hands :) J/K

Haha...don't worry...I'll be keeping it all...I'll still be trying to pull in distant stations... it will just be nice ot know I won't have to worry about dropouts anymore when Im trying to watch an HD program OTA :)

This is mainly for FOX44CE since he has knowledge of the Tyler/Longview market and knows things that go on at KETK and KFXK.....

By some chance do you know what subchannels KETK is planning on carrying on their DT channel? I'm guessing that Weather Plus is going to be one of them.....I'm hoping that KETK will be nice enough to carry KCEB since most of us can't get it OTA outside of Longview....and there are a lot of us who would love to see the CW network.....

This is mainly for FOX44CE since he has knowledge of the Tyler/Longview market and knows things that go on at KETK and KFXK.....

By some chance do you know what subchannels KETK is planning on carrying on their DT channel? I'm guessing that Weather Plus is going to be one of them.....I'm hoping that KETK will be nice enough to carry KCEB since most of us can't get it OTA outside of Longview....and there are a lot of us who would love to see the CW network.....

At present there are only plans to carry NBC and Weather+ on KETK-DT.

KETK-DT NBC HD went on the air early this week with Weather+

We added the KLPN MyNetwork station as secondary on KFXK Tuesday.

The final KFXK-DT FOX HD installation should be complete by the end of Sept.
(We had a delay receiving the High Definition encoder)

Both the chief engineer and I are lobbying hard to add KCEB as a second channel and Weather+ as the third but I have to prove to corporate that it can be done without degrading the signal on NBC.

Just curious if Joe from KTVE is still roaming around here? If so how is the progress going with the new tower?

At present there are only plans to carry NBC and Weather+ on KETK-DT.

KETK-DT NBC HD went on the air early this week with Weather+

We added the KLPN MyNetwork station as secondary on KFXK Tuesday.

The final KFXK-DT FOX HD installation should be complete by the end of Sept.
(We had a delay receiving the High Definition encoder)

Both the chief engineer and I are lobbying hard to add KCEB as a second channel and Weather+ as the third but I have to prove to corporate that it can be done without degrading the sugnal on NBC.

I saw the KETK HD signal this evening.....superb and you have my compliments, but there was an audio issue with Law & Order SVU. It sounded in the final scene as if the actors weren't using any mikes and you could hear only music and no dialogue in some scenes.

And on my DTV setup, I'm only getting KETK 56.1, no Weather Plus is showing up on the DTV signal...

And to increase your argument in favor of KCEB, I'd tell your corporate people to take a look at the DTV signals of the Shreveport stations.....KTBS and KSLA run three subchannels each and both are running with excellent quality on all three subchannels. (I've strangely been able to pick up KTBS, KSLA, KMSS and KPXJ this evening from my home in Frankston probably due to the nice amount of clouds this evening.)

Just curious if Joe from KTVE is still roaming around here? If so how is the progress going with the new tower?


I've been wondering about that myself. It would be nice to know an update on KTVE's situation :)

And about sub channels. CBS-HD does look good on KSLA with two subchannels, but it's because they dedicate very low bandwidth to the two channels. KTBS can have two subchannels without a problem, because ABC only broadcasts in 720p, which requires less bandwidth. CBS and NBC broadcast in 1080i, which requires pretty much the entire bandwidth to give it justice. I've noticed on KSLA that during fast moving scenes in HD, the picture gets very blurry and pixelated. KYTV in Springfield, Missouri broadcasts NBC-HD on 3-1, UPN on 3-2 and WeatherPlus on 3-3. This makes NBC-HD look barely DVD quality. While I love the idea of multicasting, it would be nice if the subchannels were shut off during HD primetime, similar to what AETN (PBS) does here in Arkansas.

Well did a scan tonight of channels and tried for little rock just for luck. I almost locked on KLRT but just didnt have enough strength at 45 percent. I even locked on to KTVE for the first time but just for a little bit. Tried Shreveport also but not much luck as I just got KTBS which is the only one I have ever received from there. I always have great luck with Jackson and tonight was no exception, locked WJTV,WMPN,WAPT, and WABG from Greenville with no problem and good signal. Just posting my results.

My concern is mainly for KCEB since we can't even get it OTA in Frankston thanks to whoever had the foresight to only approve it for a 800 ft. transmitter at full power (I'm understandably curious over to why the transmitter was never put on KFXK's tower in the first place?), and KETK hypes the channel a lot...

If by some chance you can't put KCEB on 56's subchannel, might I suggest taking the signal on 38 and making it a DTV only signal when the move to 38 is completed....if ever. BTW, What is the status on the move to 38 for KCEB, which last I heard was still in the CP stage?

We added the KLPN MyNetwork station as secondary on KFXK Tuesday.

BTW, FOX44CE, I have not been able to get any audio on KLPN 51.2 since it went live last week. All other channels are OK.

Both the chief engineer and I are lobbying hard to add KCEB as a second channel and Weather+ as the third but I have to prove to corporate that it can be done without degrading the sugnal on NBC.
If you had a nice big screen HDTV that can show all the awful flaws of multicasting, you would *not* add any more sub channels.

Springfield, MO KYTV-DT does the following on their digital channel:
3-1 (NBC-1080i)
3-2 (UPN/CW/Whatever-they're-calling-themselves-at-the-moment)
3-3 (NBC WeatherPlus)

Notice that I said 3-1 shows NBC-1080i - not HD. Although 1080i, it is not HD quality. On a large screen HDTV that can resolve 1920x1080i resolution, all the flaws of multicasting show up. It looks softer than sub-DVD quality than HD quality - especially on sports or any shows with lots of motion. With multicasting, you lose the "pop" and "wow" factor of true HDTV. It looks soft and mushy.

KYTV has acknowledged the PQ issues, but has done nothing about it.

If you like true high quality HDTV, you do NOT want any more sub channels on a 1080i channel. Stat-mux'ing cannot create bandwidth where there is none.

BTW, FOX44CE, I have not been able to get any audio on KLPN 51.2 since it went live last week. All other channels are OK.

Check your audio setup, I can get the audio on KLPN clearly......

Well did a scan tonight of channels and tried for little rock just for luck. I almost locked on KLRT but just didnt have enough strength at 45 percent. I even locked on to KTVE for the first time but just for a little bit. Tried Shreveport also but not much luck as I just got KTBS which is the only one I have ever received from there. I always have great luck with Jackson and tonight was no exception, locked WJTV,WMPN,WAPT, and WABG from Greenville with no problem and good signal. Just posting my results.


I was getting KTBS, KMSS, and KPXJ last night (as usual). Have you had any luck with KALB lately? I haven't picked them up in about a week. And at least you're getting Jackson regularly. The strongest one from there for me seems to be WMPN, followed by WJTV. It's been about a week since I've received them. I normally have good luck with KARK and KLRT in the evenings... I've actually benn watching the network feeds for HD lately :) I've nevr locked on to WABG, but that may be due to interference from KARK-DT, which operates on RF 32 as well.

dims, what did you think of KTVE's digital "signal"? lol..could you watch it, or even hear it for that matter?

I've noticed testing of the 56.2 subchannel has begun.....with a second HD feed w/o audio of KETK....lower quality than 56.1

And a strange occurance......I usually reset the channel search every now and then to see if I pick up any other DTV channels.....and after the reset, both KLTV and KETK failed to remap to channels 7 and 56. KLTV shows up as DTV 10 and KETK shows up at DTV 22, instead of remapping to 7 and 56, respectively....anyone else having this problem?

I've nevr locked on to WABG, but that may be due to interference from KARK-DT, which operates on RF 32 as well.


Keith, I used to get WABG occationally before KARK had the power increase. WABG-DT runs a directional antenna pattern, partly to protect KARK's signal and probally also as a cost-saving measure. The Greenwood/Greenville DMA is a rather narrow strip of Mississippi counties (and Chiot County Arkansas) between the Memphis and Jackson, MS DMAs (and LR and Monroe DMAs to the west) and WABG's owners probally considred this in their decision. However due the Little Rock ABC station's foot dragging, WABG is the only OTA HD for ABC in a few SE Arkansas Counties (Desha, Eastern Drew, Chiot, Eastern Ashley)

Check your audio setup, I can get the audio on KLPN clearly......

I am not sure how an incorrect audio setting could cause no audio from only one sub-channel. 51.1 and all other channels are fine. Could be a compatibility issue with my STB, an Accurian HTS-6000. I had an issue with KMSS-DT a while back caused by something in the datastream common with a lot of the Fox stations that would make the Accurian lock up.

I have the STB digital audio (coaxial I think) output to my A/V receiver, Audio is set to Dolby Digital, instead of PCM. I get 5.1 audio on 3.1, 7.1, and 33.1.

I'll try the analog audio outputs (RF and composite) to see if any audio is there. Will also try PCM setting to see if any difference.

Keith, I used to get WABG occationally before KARK had the power increase. WABG-DT runs a directional antenna pattern, partly to protect KARK's signal and probally also as a cost-saving measure. The Greenwood/Greenville DMA is a rather narrow strip of Mississippi counties (and Chiot County Arkansas) between the Memphis and Jackson, MS DMAs (and LR and Monroe DMAs to the west) and WABG's owners probally considred this in their decision. However due the Little Rock ABC station's foot dragging, WABG is the only OTA HD for ABC in a few SE Arkansas Counties (Desha, Eastern Drew, Chiot, Eastern Ashley)

It's too bad they can't have the same coverage as their analog transmitter, if that was the case, then I might be able to receive them at times, as their analog coverage reaches all the way to Crossett. I wonder if they plan on moving to another frequency in the future and increase their power, because their coverage area is significantly smaller, digital wise. I thought the FCC mandated that all stations would have a digital signal comparable to their analog coverage?

Im guessing there aren't very many HD viewers in the Greenville market..the only posts in there are from you (haley) and the rep from WABG... :)

Channel # issues!

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

On Tyler board

Quote:
Originally Posted by gshamill
"KETK and KLTV HD have been off since wednesday night. Has anybody heard anything? "
I was worried my Hdtivo was flaking out on me. I have the same issue I tune to 7.1 or 56.1 and it says their is no signal. But when I test the signal it's strong.
So I re-scanned the locals and 7.1 is coming in as 10.1 and 56.1 is 22.2. I think for some odd reason these two stations stopped send the signal that tells or system what channel to re-map to. Strange that the both stopped at the same time.
Update: Everything is back to normal.



On shreveport board

Quote:
stdjsb25
Member
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 29 I've noticed testing of the 56.2 subchannel has begun.....with a second HD feed w/o audio of KETK....lower quality than 56.1

And a strange occurance......I usually reset the channel search every now and then to see if I pick up any other DTV channels.....and after the reset, both KLTV and KETK failed to remap to channels 7 and 56. KLTV shows up as DTV 10 and KETK shows up at DTV 22, instead of remapping to 7 and 56, respectively....anyone else having this problem? "




NO COINCIDENCE!

Got home, turn on Ketk 56.1, video W/ no audio for ONE full second, then black screen, signal 92 on 56.1, I had to manually tune 22.1 (NOT 22.2 anymore?) Did a "ADD digital channels" scan, (Sony KD34XBR970 34" CRT direct view built in tuner), same issue at 56.1 , but it added 22.1. It's 1080i 16:9, but NO station or program information. I've had this issue with KTAL 6.1 gone, only at 15.3 & KSHV 45.1 only at 44.3, no pro. & stat. info, for a couple of weeks or less.
Awaiting kickoff, had some pixelation on a crowd shot, Steelers fans waving the yellow "terrible towels".
MAJOR Pixel's every play!!!! When they line up and set , PERFECT picture, snap and motion brings pixels & "mosquito noise" I think its called. It doesn't look good at all yet. Perhaps a compression bug to be worked out at KETK, (who are doing a GREAT JOB there getting it up for NFL! Thanks!)
Back to the ch. # issues, try a "erase &scan" next commercial. Ok 56.1's gone, still same as before at 22.1, but now KYTX 19.1 & 19.2 are gone, now at 18.3 & 18.4, NO program or station info, however KFXK51.1, Ktre9.1, Ktbs3.1, Ksla12.1, Kmss33.1, LPB24.5, KPXJ21.1 are normal, this is strange.
Rotated antenna back toward shreveport , did "add dig. channels", still same. That's KETK, KYTX, KSHV, KTAL and also KLTV ( by gshamill & stdjsb25) only resolving at the PHYSICAL channel, missing the p&s info.

edit- After game did a "erase &scan",, now properly resolving all but Ketk, still 221., info now working AND KSHV still 44.3 , no p&s info.

Ketk just getting HD, probably be back at 56.1 soon.
KSHV has been that way,,

KETK 22.1 has reset itself back to 56.1 and so has KLTV....must have been a glitch with both stations on the transmission end.

Channel # issues!

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

On Tyler board

Quote:
Originally Posted by gshamill
"KETK and KLTV HD have been off since wednesday night. Has anybody heard anything? "
I was worried my Hdtivo was flaking out on me. I have the same issue I tune to 7.1 or 56.1 and it says their is no signal. But when I test the signal it's strong.
So I re-scanned the locals and 7.1 is coming in as 10.1 and 56.1 is 22.2. I think for some odd reason these two stations stopped send the signal that tells or system what channel to re-map to. Strange that the both stopped at the same time.
Update: Everything is back to normal.



On shreveport board

Quote:
stdjsb25
Member
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 29 I've noticed testing of the 56.2 subchannel has begun.....with a second HD feed w/o audio of KETK....lower quality than 56.1

And a strange occurance......I usually reset the channel search every now and then to see if I pick up any other DTV channels.....and after the reset, both KLTV and KETK failed to remap to channels 7 and 56. KLTV shows up as DTV 10 and KETK shows up at DTV 22, instead of remapping to 7 and 56, respectively....anyone else having this problem? "




NO COINCIDENCE!

Got home, turn on Ketk 56.1, video W/ no audio for ONE full second, then black screen, signal 92 on 56.1, I had to manually tune 22.1 (NOT 22.2 anymore?) Did a "ADD digital channels" scan, (Sony KD34XBR970 34" CRT direct view built in tuner), same issue at 56.1 , but it added 22.1. It's 1080i 16:9, but NO station or program information. I've had this issue with KTAL 6.1 gone, only at 15.3 & KSHV 45.1 only at 44.3, no pro. & stat. info, for a couple of weeks or less.
Awaiting kickoff, had some pixelation on a crowd shot, Steelers fans waving the yellow "terrible towels".
MAJOR Pixel's every play!!!! When they line up and set , PERFECT picture, snap and motion brings pixels & "mosquito noise" I think its called. It doesn't look good at all yet. Perhaps a compression bug to be worked out at KETK, (who are doing a GREAT JOB there getting it up for NFL! Thanks!)
Back to the ch. # issues, try a "erase &scan" next commercial. Ok 56.1's gone, still same as before at 22.1, but now KYTX 19.1 & 19.2 are gone, now at 18.3 & 18.4, NO program or station info, however KFXK51.1, Ktre9.1, Ktbs3.1, Ksla12.1, Kmss33.1, LPB24.5, KPXJ21.1 are normal, this is strange.
Rotated antenna back toward shreveport , did "add dig. channels", still same. That's KETK, KYTX, KSHV, KTAL and also KLTV ( by gshamill & stdjsb25) only resolving at the PHYSICAL channel, missing the p&s info.

edit- After game did a "erase &scan",, now properly resolving all but Ketk, still 221., info now working AND KSHV still 44.3 , no p&s info.

Ketk just getting HD, probably be back at 56.1 soon.
KSHV has been that way,,

I have noticed that 56.2 Weather Plus has been added, and at little cost to KETK's 56.1 aside from some pixelation during those quick camera moves on the Tonight Show. Hopefully you can find a way to put KCEB on 56.3.....but personally, after getting the rather snowy signal of 54 on analog and reviewing a few minutes, all I see is simply that KCEB simply broadcasts the WB Cable Feed that was carried on KWTL before the first of this year, which I didn't like that much when I lived in a cable heavy region. After seeing that, if I were in your shoes, I wouldn't really bother with it until the analog switchoff occurs. I would suggest possibly switching KCEB to a third subchannel of KFXK's DT, but after seeing how KLTV's 7.3 rebroadcast of the SD signal is handled, I wouldn't do it that way, despite KFXK using the 720p HD like ABC, unless you could resolve the pixelation problems that 7.3 has.

And in other news, KLTV's problem has returned. KLTV's DT 10 is not remapping to 7...again.

I am picking up KALB super strong today. I dont even have to turn my antenna toward Alexandria to pick it up with signal of above 90. Thank God because I wanted to see Sunday Night Football in HD. Hopefully I will get this good of a signal next week for the Cowboys-Skins game.

I wish I was having that luck... just checked the signal on 35 and I get 0. :(

Well I spoke too soon Keith, I am bouncing back and forth between 55 and about 30 now and cant maintain a lock on the station. I may do a little tweaking this week to see if I can go higher cause I really want to see next weeks game in HD. Boy it really sucks after watching most of the first half in HD to seeing it on the overly compressed Directv LR local. It looks horrible!

Please KTVE hurry and get a digital signal and HD! lol

dsims, you must be in an open area... it sounds like you have lots of luck OTA wise. I haven't seen a peep out of KALB today (KTBS, KMSS and KPXJ are all here) I grabbed WAPT and WMPN yesterday morning for the first time in a while.

Yeah Im wondering about KTVE, haven't seen an update in a while from them. Meanwhile, the game looked pretty good on WNBC-HD..or better than the alternative, at least..lol

Well after the second half of the game my signal went back up to 90 and staying pretty steady now. I think I might try this week to go up a little higher to get maybe just a little more. May not work but I am gonna try another 5 feet on the antenna.

I have all the networks in HD from NY except NBC. I hope I can call Directv up and get it. Did you move to Mena also Keith?

Yeah I moved there a couple weeks ago.. the PQ isnt as good as OTA HD, but it sure beats analog :-)

Also, just wondering, but why aren't you getting NBC-HD? Moving to Mena is suppose to qualify you for all the networks.

I have been there a couple of years now and at the time NBC had no sports or any programs I cared for so I never added it. Now I wonder if all the rules are the same as they used to. So they gave you LR locals and NY east coast locals plus HD channels Keith?

Yeah, all I did was change my address while I was activating my H20 receiver, then I called back an hour later and just told the CSR "I think Im suppose to be getting channels 80, 82, 86, and 88 but they arent showing up" She transferred me to a HD specialist, and after he got my "address" he added them for me. It was actually pretty easy..easier than I thought.

I'm getting KALB here now...although it's spotty...but it's there.

What's the status of the HD channels now in Shreveport? I think I can get the distance HD channels from Directv. They offered the SD distance. So maybe I can get the HD channels too.

This is the lastest info I know on all the digitals in SHV...

KTBS (RF28) full power, ABC HD(720p) on 3-1, Radar on 3-2, and 24/7 News on 3-3
KTAL (RF15) low power, NBC SD only. Will go full power HD November 9th, last time I checked
KSLA (RF17) full power, CBS HD(1080i) on 12-1, The Tube on 12-2, and Radar on 12-3
KPXJ (RF21) full power, CW HD(720p) on 21-1, SD on 21-2
KLTS (RF25) low power, LPB on 24-1, PBS Kids on 24-3, and PBS HD(1080i) on 24-5
KMSS (RF34) full power, FOX HD(720p) on 33-1
KSHV (RF44) lower power than normal, MNTV HD on 45-1

Hope this helps... I've never received KSHV from my location, but they are at lower power than normal... 500kw...as opposed to 1000kw for KTBS, etc. And although I can't say from experience that they broadcast in HD, I've asked the question in the past, and everyone says they are. I don't know if it's 720p or 1080i...I imagine it's 720p. :)

Greetings All!

Sorry for not being around for some time.. We just finished the dirt work at the transmitter site, as well as the form for the foundation. We will pour the foundation hopefully Monday barring any weather problems. KTVE's Analog is not doing real well. We lost a transmitter last week and I have to send an entire cavity off for rebuild ( the device that not only the tube is mounted in, but also Tunes the tube so that it is transmitting on channel 10) It's fairly large and will have to be trucked. More than likely one of my engineers will be making a trip to Quincy, Il to drop it off.

Digital matters... I was really excited to receive all three ship dates for my equipment (Encoders, Transmitter, and Antenna) Everything should be in place mid November ( alot better than the late December dates) If all goes well, I hope that it is up for a couple of the NFL games in hi-def. NBC will carry the Wildcard game and 2 TBA's about that time.

We will have NBC 10 on Dolby 5.1 and it will be 1080i . My big project for this upcomming week (besides the pour) will be the Microwave system... I am trying to decide if I will stay on 2ghz or move to 7ghz. Depending on what will work best for us. I don't want to short change anything so I am being very very pickey on what we use.

I also ordered my HDTV test equipment today so that my master control ops can monitor the digital signal from the control room. Something we haven't been able to do currently with the crappy low power signal that is in El Dorado.

Anyhow... That's the skinny on KTVE...
Thanks !

Joe Holland
Director of Engineering and Operations
KTVE

Joe, check your PM's.. I sent my email address to you. You mentioned problems with the analog transmitter, what happens if it dies completely? Do you have an aux transmitter? I'm assuming if you do, that it's the old tower being the KTVE studio here in El Dorado.

Well... KTVE operates what is known as a Dual Transmitter due to the amount of power that the circular pol antenna requires... When we loose one, we are only 3db down in signal... (50% power) basically it affects the fringe areas. One of them is down now, and the module that is damaged, will require about 3-4 weeks manufacturing new parts for it. Now... if something happens to the second... then yes... black air. At least KTVE-DT will have a little 250w backup transmitter. KTVE Analog's back up is it self.


Joe

Anyone know what's up with 12-3 KSLA Weather? It's been a black screen for several days now.

Well Keith I called Directv up and it was as simple as you said. They let me have the NBC in NY cause of the Mena location.

Anyway know what's up with 12-3 KSLA Weather? It's been a black screen for several days now.

Unfortunately I can't get KSLA here anymore due to neighboring channel interference on CH 18, due to a translator :( Were they still playing "The Tube" on the radar loop?

Well Keith I called Directv up and it was as simple as you said. They let me have the NBC in NY cause of the Mena location.

I figured it would be pretty easy since you already had the rest of the NY stations.. did you have to talk to an HD specialist?

Yeah they transferred me to the HD department. You must still be in El Dorado Keith?

Im still here... trying to get all my "ducks in a row" I guess. :)

Keith... What translator is it?

Joe

That KNOE translator on channel 18, the same one that was causing KTVE's signal to also be shown on channel 20...pretty snowy, no sound (this is at my location anyway, which is about half a mile from the KTVE studio here) It doesn't seem that bad now...if the antenna isn't pointed in that direction. AETN still shows up on channel 19, though, and channel 17 has a whistling noise.

I emailed KNOE about this, and sent them a paper copy of the email via the regular mail, but I got no response. I don't know what the problem is...the regular channel 8 comes in better than the translator most of the time.

Also, I know it's due to their translator, because it went offline for about two weeks before they finally figured out it wasn't working, and I was receving KSLA-DT every evening after 7:00...like clockwork. I could tell when they came back online, because now the receiver doesn't even hesitate on 17 anymore...even when weather conditions are very favorable toward Shreveport.

Weather plus is out for our second...Unless they want to comeoff the price.. one thing we are looking at is the Sportsman Channel for our SD... Feedback?

Weather plus is out for our second...Unless they want to comeoff the price.. one thing we are looking at is the Sportsman Channel for our SD... Feedback?

Have you ever thought about taking a page from KLTV and doing your own in-house weather channel? KLTV does it, and they do it better than Weather Plus.

The best case situation would be for NO subchannels because NBC programming is 1080i and having one or more subchannels would take bandwidth away from the HD video (especially on fast moving sports).

If there must be a subchannel, please limit it to a live radar image and *maybe* NOAA wx radio audio. I've noticed a drop in quaility in KTHV-DT's image quality since they debuted the THV2 service in Little Rock. KARK, the LR NBC affliate has pristine picture quality because of no subchannels robbing bandwidth.

This effect is more noticable on larger sets than my 26" widescreen Panny CRT.

Weather plus is out for our second...Unless they want to comeoff the price.. one thing we are looking at is the Sportsman Channel for our SD... Feedback?

Joe,

How much is NBC charging for WeatherPlus? The Sportman's channel isn't a bad one, but as haley said, it would probably require a little too much bandwidth. It really doesn't to me what the subchannel is..I'll be watching the HD 99% of the time :) I really like how KALB does their subchannel... they show a radar, as well as the current temp, etc..and the NOAA weather radio plays in the background. And I also like the idea of a 24/7 news subchannel...but all these probably require the same amount of bandwidth.. Who ends up making the final decision? the General Manager, or what?

Well I would love to say No secondary streams... but the true reality is that there will be one. Doppler would be a good one, but it will bring in no additional revenue. I don't even want to talk about weather plus... I could do a 24/7 news feed and really limit the bandwidth on it. And might be able to kill it during true 1080i programming. I would love to say no subchannels, but realisticly speaking there will be a subchannel. Weather would be Great to have... but I just can't afford the 100k that NBC wants to charge plus the monthly"data" fees. NBC doesn't support my current weather system (in which I just signed a 5 year contract with and updated all of the hardware) so God Bless em...

Now I could do a DVR and record my weather segments, and they could run for 5 min, doppler for 5, back and forth...

Don't know yet... as of right now it will more than likely have doppler up with a weather radio feed.. just have to see how it goes..

Joe

FOX44CE...any word on the KFXK HD installation?

And perhaps you could shed some light on KETK's current situation with the HD and why it's on for some shows like NBC's Primetime Schedule, and Leno and Conan sometimes, and not on for other shows like Today and Saturday Night Live?

Joe my vote is on a 24/7 news feed. I like how KTBS in shreveport has theres setup. But I guess most people are gonna watch the original NBC channel anyways.

NBC shouldn't charge their affiliates for WeatherPlus....I don't even see how some of other stations afford it. To me, it looks like the locally created weather channels look to be better than anything on WeatherPlus...at least, for the price anyway.

That fully explains why nexstar (http://www.nexstar.tv) won't run Weather Plus on any of their NBC affliates (such as KARK-Little Rock).

KTVE's owners and management are jonesing for cable carriage of its subchannel and potential additional revenue. Hence the "need" for a subchannel.

A news/weather channel if done correctly would probally work. The key is to keep stories updated, weather info updated and not overdo graphics. KATV's (ABC-Little Rock) new "7 News Now" has an issue with the bottom crawler being seen poorly (due to overscan on some TV's/STB's). KTHV (CBS-Little Rock) made a graphics tweeks to "THV2" but content is the main problem. Very little radar, stale weather video, usless canned "fluff" pieces that appear availlble on CNN Headline News, and endless PSA's still remain.

Well you know Haley; the only way that stations can afford to pay the payroll, pay the bills, and have monies to stay on is through revenue... Now I'm not defending Nexstar by any means, however; Weather plus is an ok product that uses up WAY to much data on the HD Sat Receiver (HDIRD).

Cable comp... Cable companies charge you, if you didn't know this, a fee for the local channels. If you don't think that they do, drop your service to the basic basic cable. They will still charge you monthly for something that we are providing to you FREE over the air. DirecTV and Dish... Guess what... Fees are attached. It is completely UNFAIR that the cable head ends are not compensating the TV stations for their part. We pay an outrageous amount of money to provide this FREE over the air signal to the public. BMI, ASCAP, SESAC all get a ton of money from us. We pay license fees to syndicators for each of the shows that we program, then on top of that, we have to pay the music industry for music we #1 don't choose, #2 don't want. If you watch ER on NBC, we (the local station) have to pay Music license fees. That preacher man show that airs overnight, his intro is a hymn... but we have to pay ASCAP fees for that show... His church choir preformed it, so why do we have to pay... Dunno...

Sub channels...

To combat the capital costs of these new transmitters, We MUST use it as a revenue stream... If you didn't know... These devices cost us around 1.5mil to install... If you would like, you can look up SEC filings of Nexstar... Multiply the cost if installing all their stations with DTV Transmitters and then the NEW expenses that go with that... ASCAP, BMI, and SESAC, in some situations, consider a HD feed a separate broadcast. some are not "Simucasting" because it is not the exact feed. So... Since we can add channels, we can add revenue... If you would like to know just in round figures.... KARD Fox14's Analog transmitter uses enough electricity to power a small town. Monthly in the 5 digit range, then there is another 5 digit number monthly for tower rent, then there are all the license fees PER SHOW, ASCAP, BMI, SESAC, Syndicators then the Personal, and Capital Improvements. You add them all up... there is not a lot left over. Then you still have to contribute to a corp. infrastructure.

KTVE has the same bills except HIGHER due to more people watch…The days of Television Cash Cow is over. We make budget, but there isn’t any Fat… I for instance am the Chief Engineer, and Operations Manager. 20 years ago this would have been several positions. I manage every department except sales, promotions, and G&A... Engineering, Master Control, Programming, commerical production, and news production are all in my realm of responsability. Added to that, I am training a Very New, but talented, news director who is just about ready, but I still have to offer feedback and follow up...

Remember Broadcasters provide the public with a free over the air signal. We make revenue through selling advertisements. The government makes the rules on what we can air, when we can air it, and sometimes what we can charge for commercial carriage (Political for existence). YES Cable head ends should pick up our sub channels…

McDonalds, Gas stations, CABLE, in fact every facet of industry have been doing it for years. Adding revenue streams… Let’s see, McD’s decided to do breakfast, or sell Salads, Bags of Ice… Cable sells Internet, Phone service, VOD service... Gas Stations charge you out the rear for Candy bars, soft drinks (they make almost no money off of Gas so they had to add revenue streams.

Sorry for the Book...

Joe

Keith,

Sorry for the rant.. Weather plus is a nice service... Stations that already have a weather system called Weather Central don't have a very large monthly or initial capital expense to start weather plus. We have WSI (same people that bring you intellicast) and just renewed it before we started looking at subchannel options.. but the costs for adding Weather Central are over 100K and the monthly in the thousands. A 24/7 news product weather heavy would be easy to do. I could really limit the bandwidth on it so that it doesn't eat too much HD content up. I kinda liked the Sportsman's channel.. It is hunting and fishing only.. (I don't hunt, but I attempt to fish.. KEY word.. Attempt!).

I have to work a balanceing act carefully to make sure we get the biggest bang for our buck, but not going overboard...


Joe

That fully explains why nexstar (http://www.nexstar.tv) won't run Weather Plus on any of their NBC affliates (such as KARK-Little Rock).

KTVE's owners and management are jonesing for cable carriage of its subchannel and potential additional revenue. Hence the "need" for a subchannel.

A news/weather channel if done correctly would probally work. The key is to keep stories updated, weather info updated and not overdo graphics. KATV's (ABC-Little Rock) new "7 News Now" has an issue with the bottom crawler being seen poorly (due to overscan on some TV's/STB's). KTHV (CBS-Little Rock) made a graphics tweeks to "THV2" but content is the main problem. Very little radar, stale weather video, usless canned "fluff" pieces that appear availlble on CNN Headline News, and endless PSA's still remain.

I've seen both KATV's and KTHV's new channel, and I personally liked the look on KATV's a lot better. THV2 looked wayyy too bit-starved to even read the extended forecast. KATV looked very professional, in my opinion. I actually liked WeatherPlus when I first saw it on KYTV in Springfield back in July, but the station-created ones looked just as good once I saw KATV's, THV's and WJTV's in Jackson :)

Keith,

Sorry for the rant.. Weather plus is a nice service... Stations that already have a weather system called Weather Central don't have a very large monthly or initial capital expense to start weather plus. We have WSI (same people that bring you intellicast) and just renewed it before we started looking at subchannel options.. but the costs for adding Weather Central are over 100K and the monthly in the thousands. A 24/7 news product weather heavy would be easy to do. I could really limit the bandwidth on it so that it doesn't eat too much HD content up. I kinda liked the Sportsman's channel.. It is hunting and fishing only.. (I don't hunt, but I attempt to fish.. KEY word.. Attempt!).

I have to work a balanceing act carefully to make sure we get the biggest bang for our buck, but not going overboard...


Joe

Well that would explain why some stations have WeatherPlus... I would find it hard to believe that they would spend that much money on something that wouldn't really generate revenue. I like both the Sportman's channel idea and the 24/7 news..You could be like KTBS and having rebroadcasts of the latest newscast.... or just the weather..but it's just my opinion, of course! I try to fish as well, but I have low patience...lol. Is the Sportsman's channel on cable? If not, then it may be a good revenue for KTVE.

By the way, I read about training a new News Director, is Jeff Hamburger leaving?

Oh no.. he's still here and hope to be here for a while (I don't want to fill in).

Well you know Haley; the only way that stations can afford to pay the payroll, pay the bills, and have monies to stay on is through revenue... Now I'm not defending Nexstar by any means, however; Weather plus is an ok product that uses up WAY to much data on the HD Sat Receiver (HDIRD).


My concern was that some stations (WMC--Memphis and KYTV--Springfield, MO) having networks with 1080i feeds and multicasting two subchannels have had serious problems with the picture quality. Granted its a balancing act and often compamises must be made. Stations running 720i networks (ABC) have fewer problems with mulitcasting (as a whole) if there is only one subchannel.

I also agree with Keith about WeatherPlus not being the "cats meow" for weather subchannels. BTW, I got to see KLTV's subchannel last Tuesday morning and its quite good for the market size.

Baralak, I do appreciate your willingness to come here and discuss the KTVE situation and keep us updated, even if there are some disagreements at times.

:) No Problem Haley... I hate to have a bunch of "Yes" people around me... I always look for someone that has a difference of opinon.

BTW... Hold on to your seats... but DirecTV called me today... They wanted to know if we would allow them to come do a site survey for a uplink site for this market!!! Now... I have been through this once before.. but with that being said.. I hope that they finally do it!!!

Joe

BTW... Hold on to your seats... but DirecTV called me today... They wanted to know if we would allow them to come do a site survey for a uplink site for this market!!! Now... I have been through this once before.. but with that being said.. I hope that they finally do it!!!

Joe

Well it's about time they get their act together! Im sure they don't have nearly as many subscribers as Dish does in the DMA. Maybe they finally see that :)

Stations running 720i networks (ABC) have fewer problems with mulitcasting (as a whole) if there is only one subchannel.


I agree with this.... I made this post in the Jackson, MS board back in July regarding WLBT's many subchannels...

In my opinion, there needs to be some rules/standards when a station is going to broadcast in HD.

If their network feed is 720p, then a max of two subchanels. Both would be 480i with average resolution.

If their network is 1080i, NO subchannels is highly recommended, but if it's absolutely necessary, then only one, with below average resolution.

That's just my opinion, and I wish stations would follow it :)

Well since KNOE has added th CW network I really havent noticed any difference in the HD broadcast. But I can tell a difference in HD programming on PBS that has 2 subchannels. I agree if the station doesnt use alot of resolution a subchannel can be okay. I just wish they would turn the subchannel off during primetime or during sporting events.

Well since KNOE has added th CW network I really havent noticed any difference in the HD broadcast. But I can tell a difference in HD programming on PBS that has 2 subchannels. I agree if the station doesnt use alot of resolution a subchannel can be okay. I just wish they would turn the subchannel off during primetime or during sporting events.

Yes I have noticed the HD on LPB can look ugly. I like the way Mississippi Public Broadcasting and Alabama Public Television does; one main channel and an HD subchannel. Actually, APT has the HD channel as the main channel and the SD as a subchannel. I did a PQ comparison of LPB, MPB, and APT one night last week when the conditions were great... I would say APT comes in #1, MPB #2, and LPB #3. APT had the cleanest HD I've seen, while the same program on LPB was kind of softer by comparison. I give kudos to LPB for even having HD...as AETN has only a few HD programs a month.. and I by the time I remember, it's too late! They do turn off the subchannels during HD, though. I think once they did PBS HD for primetime 7-10pm nightly... but dropped that in favor of three subchannels. Since LPB is low power, I can only receive them during good conditions to my south. I've only locked KLTM once. KLPA from Alexandria is the common one I get from an LPB digital.

Joe, is the planned date for KTVE-HD still mid November?

Thanks!
Keith

Well Keith PBS is the best one I get. I get KLTM easy KLPA even in the daytime, AETN from El Dorado, and the PBS in Jackson. Even with subchannels the PBS can look great sometimes on there HD programming. I could only imagine without them. I havent seen AETN put anything HD on yet so I rarely watch that channel. I really like the LPB programming and broadcasting compared to AETN.

FOX44CE...any word on the KFXK HD installation?

And perhaps you could shed some light on KETK's current situation with the HD and why it's on for some shows like NBC's Primetime Schedule, and Leno and Conan sometimes, and not on for other shows like Today and Saturday Night Live?

The encoder for KFXK has arrived and it they will be integrating it with the FOX splicing system this week. Hopefully up for the games this weekend.

Well Keith PBS is the best one I get. I get KLTM easy KLPA even in the daytime, AETN from El Dorado, and the PBS in Jackson. Even with subchannels the PBS can look great sometimes on there HD programming. I could only imagine without them. I havent seen AETN put anything HD on yet so I rarely watch that channel. I really like the LPB programming and broadcasting compared to AETN.

I like LPB a lot better than AETN.... one reason that I donated to LPB...

Keith do you get Sign Off on KNOE guide? That is what I get until primetime programming by CBS. I wrote KNOE but never received an answer. It sure would be nice to get guide info during the daytime.

KNOE doesnt care about their viewers... they are too high on their horse. I haven't noticed it, but I haven't had much luck with them the past couple days. There wasn't a problem the last time I checked.DId you see their new website? Looks not much better than the old one.

No I havent seen there new website. Its funny I receive all the program guides from all other locals but KNOE. I even receive the guide off the new CW which KNOE operates. I have a HD Tivo box from Directv. I might try another email to them never to get answered. I will give Joe from KTVE credit, he did come on here and answer tough questions and keeps us up to date. I cannot even get KNOE to answer an email.

Is it me or I have never been able to find a email address for the station engineer for KNOE just a general email for the station. I really wish I could find his email address.

I have only found that knoetv@bayou.com or whatever it is. As I said, they don't care... I think that they think they can do no wrong.

Oh well I emailed the news director cause I couldnt find engineer. I know nothing will come of it but I tried.

Jerry Harkins is the Chief Engineer, Ray Sumrall is the Assistant Chief... you can reach them at 318-388-8888.

Well... The building is going up next week. I can't wait.. It's getting close to October.. the new transmitter will be arriving soon.. I will let you know when it arrives.. Infact I will invite those of you that can make it to take a gander at it before it goes on air. It will more than likely be during a weekday.

I will be at the KTVE truck next weekend for Music Fest.. Drop by if you would like and we can chat. Just look for the big dude that's loosing his hair (Broadcasting does that to you)

Joe

Wow Joe thanks for the update and the number. Joe I would love to see the place if at all possible and I am sure some more here also. I will try the number you gave me and see where it gets me on the guide info but it may not be KNOE fault.

Jerry Harkins is the Chief Engineer, Ray Sumrall is the Assistant Chief... you can reach them at 318-388-8888.

Well... The building is going up next week. I can't wait.. It's getting close to October.. the new transmitter will be arriving soon.. I will let you know when it arrives.. Infact I will invite those of you that can make it to take a gander at it before it goes on air. It will more than likely be during a weekday.

I will be at the KTVE truck next weekend for Music Fest.. Drop by if you would like and we can chat. Just look for the big dude that's loosing his hair (Broadcasting does that to you)

Joe

Joe, where will the truck be? Its been a while since Ive been to MusicFest...but I may pop by there this year. Will Jenifer and Tom be there? I would like to meet them! And do you go there every year, Joe?

Wow Joe thanks for the update and the number. Joe I would love to see the place if at all possible and I am sure some more here also. I will try the number you gave me and see where it gets me on the guide info but it may not be KNOE fault.

I have been getting KNOE tonight, and their OTA PSIP is showing the correct information... the problem must be with the satellite info...just thought I'd let you know.

Infact I will invite those of you that can make it to take a gander at it before it goes on air. It will more than likely be during a weekday.


Joe

I didnt catch this... but I'd definitely like to see it before you go on the air... it'd be a site to see.

Well I called Jerry Harkins up at KNOE. He was very nice about the guide info and said it must be on Directv. Oh well maybe it is but my moms Hughes HTL-HD box from Directv does the same thing. I know zap to it displays the same message also on there guide.

Well at least they talked to you... well as I said the OTA PSIP info the station is sending out with their signal is displaying properly. One thing I don't like about the Directv receviers is that you can't get PSIP info from the station...at least I havent been able to figure it out.

Keith what kind of receiver did you say you were using? I know it must be on directv part. I think they get there guide info from the Tribune service, which in turn says Sign Off on the guide data on there website.

I have the H20... I rarely use it for OTA, though. Most of the time I use my built in LG tuner...

Yeah I think my HR-20 has weak ota tuners or so I have been told.

I think the LG tuner in my TV is the most sensitive one I've seen.... at least on most channels. I've noticed certain receivers have a more difficult time locking on to signals on certain channels.

On another note, this morning was good weather for distant reception. Got all the Lake Charles, Lafayette, Baton Rouge locals (analog). KLFY even overrode KTVE's signal which was very surprising. Did lock on to the LPB station down in LC...as well as KLFY-DT. I also snagged WWL and WDSU analog from NO. The digital WNTZ on CH 49 overrode a local RTN station on 49. I also locked on to WAPT, WJTV and WMPN from Jackson as usual..as well as KLPA and KALB-DT from Central LA. WBRZ-DT 13 almost overrode KLTM analog...but didn't quite make it to decoding a picture. Just thought I'd pass those findings along :)

Joe, regarding that KNOE translator problem... i checked CH 19 analog here during the tropo conditions...and instead of AETN on CH 19, it was WRBZ. So it has to do something with the CH 9 frequency. What would be causing that??

I'm gonna have to check in to that Keith.. Also your email service will not let me return your message you sent me... I will check a few things, but I think it might have something to do with harmonics.

On another note.. I go every year to music fest... Jenifer won't be there, but Tom should. Cyndi Langston will be our host this year.. I'm glad that she is doing a little TV again, and Teresa will be there as well. It's kinda bad timing this year. We have 2 big events happening, Music fest, and Swampstock both on the same weekend... so we're a little streached to say the least plus my building.

When you see the transmitter you will be slightly amazed, but what will really get ya, is when you see how everything works.. We are currently in the planning to make the digital turn on a Big deal in El Dorado as well as Monroe. Just will have to play that one by ear.. As of right now I'm still looking at the last 2 weeks of Nov for the turn on date.. I won't firm it down to a "Day" until the antenna is up and attached to the transmitter... We will be sending out a LOT of test patterns for a few days after that happens to ensure that everything is working ok, and ready for air. I will need some help when that happens.


I remember, what seems just yesterday, seeing a Television Transmitter for the first time and was in awe of all of the different systems. I was truly amazed that the transmitter was more moving parts than I had thought. I am a ham radio operator (General Class), and I knew (at least I thought) everything one needed to know about tubes.. Boy was I wrong when I got to see my first 600 pound Klystron that stands about 4 1/2 feet. This tube operates at 24KVDC and between 3-4 amps depending on what is going through the transmitter. And to think we pump water on top of it, and through it to keep it cool. KARD's transmitter is the same as described. Then I saw the power bill for the first time...
oh my... My first power bill I saw was around $9K Sadly, KARD's transmitter hits about $15K depending on the season. And yes.. that's monthly. Those tubes are not "on shelf " any more so it takes about 6 months to make one and will set you back around 70k. My first VHF transmitter was more inline with what I was used to. Dials, tuners, and a lot smaller tubes. The only setback on this was Air Cooled... It sucks ANYTHING in it... including nice size rat snakes...

Anyhow.. enough going down memory lane..

Cheers

Joe

Hey Joe,

Well the last email I got from you was regarding the problem with KTVE's current DTV transmitter. Have you sent me another one? I have your email address in my address book, so all your messages should go straight to my inbox.

I've always been interested in transmitters and how they work. When I was a kid, I had one of those little transmitter boxes that could be set to a certain channel frequency.. It only broadcasted 500 feet, but that was one block! My friends and I had a little neighborhood TV station going, having news from the neighborhood, etc... those were the good ole days!

9K - 15K is a pretty penny for electirc bills...no wonder stations have a difficult time keeping out of the red! Have you gotten that replacement part for the analog transmitter, yet?

I thought Cindy was working at Teris here in El Dorado... I met her a few times when I was working at Brookshire's here.. She would come in there almost everyday, and seemed like a genuinely sweet person. Is KTVE thinking of bringing her back?

Well Joe just keep us informed and when you start testing I will be glad to give you feedback. I live in West Monroe so I could give you feedback from here. I have never got to see the inside of a television studio much less the transmitter site. I have always wanted too but without knowing anyone its not easy to ask for a tour lol.

I agree with this.... I made this post in the Jackson, MS board back in July regarding WLBT's many subchannels...

The exception to your rule about subchannels is FOX which will only pass one 480i subchannel through the splicer and they control the bandwidth allowed. (4MBits)

Well Joe just keep us informed and when you start testing I will be glad to give you feedback. I live in West Monroe so I could give you feedback from here. I have never got to see the inside of a television studio much less the transmitter site. I have always wanted too but without knowing anyone its not easy to ask for a tour lol.


I've only seen the KARK studios in Little Rock... it's pretty cool watching them do the news in person.... and seeing it in person really lets you see exactly how much work goes into creating a newscast. I've only seen it done one time, but it was fun :)

The exception to your rule about subchannels is FOX which will only pass one 480i subchannel through the splicer and they control the bandwidth allowed. (4MBits)


Well thats good that FOX only allows one subchannel... I guess that's why a lot of FOX affiliates I've seen don't even have a subchannel. I wonder why all the networks haven't restricted the number of subchannels.

It's not really that the network doesn't allow subchannels, but Fox set up there system right. They have a device called the Splicer that was installed the Network rack. It really cuts down the cost of the Encoder end of things since it is doing a native HD stream that allows multiple inputs into its HD switcher. You up convert your analog to hd, feed it in the splicer (hd switcher), then interface it with your Master control Switcher to switch the inputs of the splicer and its all there. The costs are so low compaired to what I'm spending for a NBC station, that most fox's just do one stream because it is already there. NBC just gives you a HD stream and says Here Enjoy.

Anyhow.. Back to it... Election night in Louisiana...

Cheers

Joe

Cyndi is doing this as a one time thing... We contacted her a couple months ago about doing special events, and possable features. She still works for Teris and she is a very Genuine person.

I've heard of a splicer, but wasn't 100% of what it was until you explained it. It's too bad other networks haven't decided to use this method :rolleyes:

Joe, you said that KTVE will be making a big deal about the HD in El Dorado and Monroe... what exactly did you have planned promotion-wise?

Ah..Keith.. that is something best kept unsaid in a public forum..I will let you know before it happens.... :)

Joe

Well it was worth a try...haha... after I typed that, I thought it would probably be best kept a secret until it's time. :)

A couple of pics of the building going up... should be completed by Oct 4th .

Joe


www.nelageo.net/newbuilding1.jpg
www.nelageo.net/newbuilding2.jpg

It's not really that the network doesn't allow subchannels, but Fox set up there system right. They have a device called the Splicer that was installed the Network rack. It really cuts down the cost of the Encoder end of things since it is doing a native HD stream that allows multiple inputs into its HD switcher. You up convert your analog to hd, feed it in the splicer (hd switcher), then interface it with your Master control Switcher to switch the inputs of the splicer and its all there. The costs are so low compaired to what I'm spending for a NBC station, that most fox's just do one stream because it is already there. NBC just gives you a HD stream and says Here Enjoy.

Anyhow.. Back to it... Election night in Louisiana...

Cheers

Joe

Cyndi is doing this as a one time thing... We contacted her a couple months ago about doing special events, and possable features. She still works for Teris and she is a very Genuine person.

To be exactly correct the only piece of equipment required by the other networks that is not needed by FOX affiliates is the HD-SDI switcher to switch between the upconverted local signal and the network receiver HD-SDI output.

The local station still must have and Analog/SDI convertor, SDI to HD-SDI (480i/720p) up-convertor and a ASI encoder.

The FOX splicer switches the satellite receiver ASI digital feed directly to the transmitter during HD network and back to the local encoder during local.

This switching can be set up under the control of the station or automatic.

Because the FOX feed doesn't have to be decoded, switched, and encoded again the network HD broadcast signal is far superier to the other networks.

If a station wants to multi-cast they must put the multiplexer at the local input to the splicer and the splicer must be configured (by FOX) to pass the second channel while switching the main channel.

If the input stream data rates don't meet the FOX specifications, they won't set it up.

So you see FOX does have complete control of the bandwidth that is owned by the station.

Nice pics Joe! Well I gues it really is just a matter of time for HD in North LA and South Ark.

Very good pics... one of my old bosses, who has Cox cable here, said that he inquired about HD, and they told him it would be Novmeber when they have an HD tier on their system. I'm wondering if they are doing this because KTVE is going to be broadcasting HD? Or is it just a coincidence? No matter to me, but their timing is excellent. :)

You are completely correct.. I really wish NBC had put the thought and resources in their HD equipment that Fox did... When they installed my Splicer I thought it was really interesting how much FOX spent on those items ( I attempted to buy the same for my setup but it was kicked back for price) Not to mention I was astatic when it was installed and I thought that KARD's Corp would buy the HD card for the Flexicoder... That didn't happen... Now Harris no longer makes the Flexicoder, so I have a boat anchor.. If they would have at least upgraded the flexicoder to HD it could have been used for the High Power... Now... as stated Before Boat Anchor..

I hope to have some new pics up tomorrow.. The building is about 90% done and should be completed tomorrow...

Don't forget about Music Fest.. Hope to see some of you there...

Joe

Did channel 45 out of shreveport give up on CW? It's just called My45. What's up with that crap? Looks like no Smallville or Supernatural for me. Any chance Directv would allow me to pick up CW from the next available market area?

You are completely correct.. I really wish NBC had put the thought and resources in their HD equipment that Fox did... When they installed my Splicer I thought it was really interesting how much FOX spent on those items ( I attempted to buy the same for my setup but it was kicked back for price) Not to mention I was astatic when it was installed and I thought that KARD's Corp would buy the HD card for the Flexicoder... That didn't happen... Now Harris no longer makes the Flexicoder, so I have a boat anchor.. If they would have at least upgraded the flexicoder to HD it could have been used for the High Power... Now... as stated Before Boat Anchor..

I hope to have some new pics up tomorrow.. The building is about 90% done and should be completed tomorrow...

Don't forget about Music Fest.. Hope to see some of you there...

Joe


Joe, will you at MusicFest both nights?

Did channel 45 out of shreveport give up on CW? It's just called My45. What's up with that crap? Looks like no Smallville or Supernatural for me. Any chance Directv would allow me to pick up CW from the next available market area?


KPXJ-21 has the CW affiliation for the Shreveport market...and they do have HD.. so just look on the listings to see when Smallville and Supernatural comes on :) KPXJ is owned by the Wray family, the owners of KTBS. KSHV 45 is now a My Network TV affiliate, in my opinion not a very good network... Anyway, try out KPXJ, they do a good job of HD and they have a full power transmitter that should reach from Longview, TX to Magnolia, AR during normal conditions.

Spiderman,

Where do you live at? I saw from one of your posts that you live 80 miles from Shreveport.. I'm about the same. What can you receive digital wise from there? For me, KMSS-DT is my strongest...always coming in good in time for FOX-HD primetime...KPXJ is my second strongest... actually it's a tie between KPXJ and KTBS. KPXJ usually locks in right before or right after KTBS, depending on the weather. KSLA used to be my 2nd strongest but I can no longer lock on to them due to local interference from an analog low-power station in El Dorado. KTAL-DT and LPB-HD I seldomly can lock on to, at least until they increase power, and KSHV's transmitter both analog and digital are directional, aiming in a northwest to southeast direction. I have never received them digitally, and their analog signal only comes in during extremely weather conditions, after every digital and analog signal within 100 miles has made it's way to my receiver.

Anyway, just thought I'd give you some info... if you could post your hometown, it would be helpful :)

Also, here is a link to the coverage map for KPXJ-DT.

KPXJ Service Area (http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-service-area?x=DT994088.html)

I live in magnolia, actually mcneil arkansas. So 21 is now CW? How good does the local HD channels look? I'm not sure if my HItatchi 51f59 has a tuner or not but I know my 31 inch Phillips does. I only have a regular antenna outside. So I take it that will not pickup HD channels right?

any antenna will pick up HD. You are lucky that you live in Magnolia...you can probably get all the local digitals from there..LPB and KSHV may be difficult. What is the antenna model you have? Point it toward Mooringsport, LA, scan for channels, any you'll be surprised!

I live in magnolia, actually mcneil arkansas. So 21 is now CW? How good does the local HD channels look? I'm not sure if my HItatchi 51f59 has a tuner or not but I know my 31 inch Phillips does. I only have a regular antenna outside. So I take it that will not pickup HD channels right?

So-called "HD" antennas are a marketing ploy. Any antenna that can pick up analog can pick up digital. Just make sure that your antenna is UHF capable as all of the Shreveport digital channels broadcast in the UHF band. A 10 year old Radio Shack VHF/UHF or UHF yagi will work just fine.

All Shreveport stations are broadcasting HD, with the exception of NBC KTAL.

Keith, you beat me by 4 minutes :p

Well I wish I was in your shoes... at least if I was in Magnolia I could count on reliable reception. You should have no problems with that outdoor antenna. You many need a preamp though...just do a scan first to see. I'd be willing to bet you'll get KTBS and KPXJ right off.

KTAL said they will be full power HD on November 9...dont hold your breath...haha

Well I used to pick up the regular Shreveport stations with it but not as good reception during the day time. I havn't used it in over 2 years since the locals started airing on DirecTv. So all the locals will look much better OVT vs DirecTv? I will be getting that tv antenna back going today. It's supposed to receive up to 100 miles in reception.

So do I use regular coaxial to hookup to my tvs and or Directv tuners?

Howdy All,


Yes I will be there both days.. The last show we will do from music fest is Satudray 6pm news. After that, I will be around to see Charlie Daniels...

New Pics of the Digital transmitter Here

www.nelageo.net/newbuilding3.jpg
www.nelageo.net/newbuilding4.jpg

Joe

So all the locals will look much better OVT vs DirecTv?

Definitely! Directv compresses the heck out of their standard definition (SD)channels - especially locals. SD digital (480i) OTA vs Directv is like the difference between DVD and VHS.

You can just use regular RG-6 coax for connection with your antenna.

...and you hook at antenna to the off air section. I have the hd receiver in my sons room to the phillips 30 inch high def but my main tv doesn't have hd receiver yet because i currently use the old sd tivo, i am awaiting on that mpeg 4 new hd receiver direc is coming out with. So as for my hitatchi, i simply hook the coaxial to the coaxial hookup on the tv itself to get ota hd right?

I hooked up my outside antenna and all I could get is the DT channel 3 locally and some pbs channels. Can't get Fox, NBC, CW 21 or CBS local. Channel 3 Abc DT looks only marninally better out of Shreveport. You would think I can pickup better than that. Those channels I don't get must have weak signals. Channel 3 comes in great although the HD doesn't look all that hot.

I hooked up the antenna through my HD10 tuner.

Spiderman,

Did you check KTBS during ABC primetime between 7 and 10PM? ABC-HD on KTBS has always looked good to me, but when there is no HD being broadcasted, the digital feed should look at least a little better than analog channel 3, especailly if you live 80 miles from the transmitter. The PBS station you're getting must be the one out of Gurdon.. Also, you may want to manually check the DT frequencies of KPXJ (CW 21), KSLA (CBS 12/DT 17)...check the signal strength and see if you are getting anything on those frequencies. KSLA DT is on CH 17. Im not surprised about KTAL-DT..they are at low power no HD at the moment...

It appears McNeil is right on the edge of KSLA-DT's reception area (http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-service-area?x=DT601144.html) . A good antenna like the Channel Master 4228, which is a UHF antenna with high gain (and only 45 bucks at http://www.warrenelectronics.com) and a Channel Master 7777 preamp would probably pull in KSLA-DT... and even KPXJ and KMSS-DT.

I've noticed with digital signals, the antenna has to be precisely aimed... what kind of antenna do you have? And how high is it above ground?

Once KTVE-DT (NBC 10/El Dorado) goes full-power and HD next month, you should have no problems receiving them (http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-service-area?x=DT429561.html).

Hope this info is a little helpful!

Howdy All,


Yes I will be there both days.. The last show we will do from music fest is Satudray 6pm news. After that, I will be around to see Charlie Daniels...

New Pics of the Digital transmitter Here

www.nelageo.net/newbuilding3.jpg
www.nelageo.net/newbuilding4.jpg

Joe


Joe,

I hope Charlie Daniels was good... I had to go to Little Rock this weekend due to a family issue... I really wish I could have made it up there. The new building looks good, btw! And I also noticed today that you fixed KTVE-DT... there is no line going through the screen anymore. There is no PSIP info, though..it just shows "DTV Program". But thanks for fixing the signal :)

Fox KMSS blew it today. No HD for either game. I called master control twice. The op said he had no HD feed from Fox and they were supposedly working on it all afternoon. Net: No HD for Fox today. I did see High Def highlights, so some HD was working somewhere for Fox.

Did anyone else have HD for Fox today?

I noticed there wasn't HD on KMSS... on the D* FOX NY feed, their game was in HD, but it wasn't the same game. I noticed the same thing last Sunday.

Antenna is atleast 20 feet up. Maybe 25. Channel 3 and pbs come in great. I have no booster but I will look into getting a better antenna. Perhaps I can use the same poll.

I point my antenna directly south to picku shreveport. I guess to pick up 10 I need to aim southwest and maybe I need to point towards texarkana for channel 6. Channel 6 is in texarkana right?

The transmitters for most of the Shreveport stations are actually in Mooringsport, which is a little bit north of Shreveport. KTAL's (CH 6) transmitter is a little further north of there, in Vivian, LA. I don't know why they can't all be in the same spot...it would make life a lot easier!

Howdy All,


Yes Keith, Charlie Daniels was a Class act!... Really good.. Yea.. I repaired the DTV-LP transmitter today and got that BAD hum bar out of it. I have a call in to our data provider for our psip info... for some reason it is not getting to us.

Transmitter count down... 23 days!

Antenna... 37 days

Joe

The transmitters for most of the Shreveport stations are actually in Mooringsport, which is a little bit north of Shreveport. KTAL's (CH 6) transmitter is a little further north of there, in Vivian, LA. I don't know why they can't all be in the same spot...it would make life a lot easier!

Common sense doesn't allways make into final decisions. The FCC all those years ago assigned channels to cities and not markets. Thats the reason behind the seperate antenna locations due to a requirement for putting a city-grade signal into each station's COL.

Smaller markets like Shreveport, Fort Smith-Fayetteville AR, Monroe-El Dorado, Greenwood-Greenville MS, and even Little Rock have issues with OTA antenna installations depending on location. Those have become apparent again with popularity of DTV/HDTV.

Hi all, been a lurker here for a while. I recently moved to Monroe from Chicago and I'm going through major HD withdrawel. I live off of Finks Hideaway in Monroe and have a ChannelMaster 4228 antennta in my attic, with a pre-amp and use a DirecTiVo HR10-250 to pickup the local digital stations. I have a few questions, and I'm really hoping you guys can give me a hand.

1. I only pickup KARD/FOX (14-1, via ch. 36) via my antenna and not the NBC broadcast, when I put in 36-1 I get the same fox broadcast that is remapped to 14-1. Is NBC out here broadcasting digitally yet? If so on what channel? because even doing a full scan I never see it.

2. I currently get CBS (KNOE), both KETZ and the other PBS stations via my antenna as well, but does anyone know when/if ABC is ever going to broadcast digitally further than 2-feet from their transmitter and hopefully in HD? (I was able to pick up ABC for about 2 seconds a few months ago (attempting to re-aim the ant.)and even then the highest signal I got was in the 40's)

3. Are there any plans for FOX(KARD) to goto HD as I see KTVE(NBC) is next month?

Thanks guys!

Hey MrSmurf,

KARD isn't scheduled to go full power HD until 2008! :( KTVE is broadcasting in digital, but it is low power at the moment and really only covers Union county in Arkansas. I'm not sure about KAQY (ABC), everyone on here that has emailed them about it has not gotten a response. I will be very surprised if they increase power within the next year. The best bet for ABC in HD OTA in Monroe is probably KTBS in Shreveport, or WAPT in Jackson. Even then, I doubt it would be relilable reception.

Also, you may want to try aiming for Alexandria sometime, as dsims in Monroe has had lots of luck receiving KALB-DT (RF35), the NBC affiliate there. Of course, KTVE will be in HD within a month, but it never hurts to have another digital channel :) I imagine Monroe is a big shock compared to Chicago...one of many reasons why I like bigger TV markets...lol.. Hope this info helps.

Common sense doesn't allways make into final decisions. The FCC all those years ago assigned channels to cities and not markets. Thats the reason behind the seperate antenna locations due to a requirement for putting a city-grade signal into each station's COL.

Smaller markets like Shreveport, Fort Smith-Fayetteville AR, Monroe-El Dorado, Greenwood-Greenville MS, and even Little Rock have issues with OTA antenna installations depending on location. Those have become apparent again with popularity of DTV/HDTV.


Well it's nice to even have a Grade A signal from a TV station in El Dorado... Really the only watchable channels with rabbit ears in EL Dorado is KTVE, a snowy KETG, and the KNOE translator on CH 18. With an outdoor antenna, snowy KNOE 8 and a very snowy KAQY and KLTM is added to the mix. I think it may be due to the city being in a valley... :( Im lucky to get anything digital besides KTVE and KETZ.

but does anyone know when/if ABC is ever going to broadcast digitally further than 2-feet from their transmitter and hopefully in HD? (I was able to pick up ABC for about 2 seconds a few months ago (attempting to re-aim the ant.)and even then the highest signal I got was in the 40's)


I just thought I would mention a joke I have from the DNS qualification page on Directv.... I can enter the zipcode for El Dorado (71730)...look what it says:

Eligibilty review for the following:
EL DORADO, AR 71730


Digital (HD) Distant Network Service

Network Affiliate Status
ABC KAQY-DT Grade B (moderate signal)
CBS KNOE-DT Grade A (strong signal)
FOX Eligible
NBC KTVE-DT Grade A (strong signal)

I can get WAPT out of Jackson stronger than KAQY-DT! I also seldom receive a signal from KNOE-DT.

Joe, just wanted to say thanks for fixing the PSIP info on KTVE-DT.. and Im really glad you fixed that line on the screen.... I can safely use my ATSC tuner exclusively from here on out... when did you say would be the date you would go full power?

Believe it or not, I met with Joe Curry ( KAQY's Gm) today to discuss HD with them... They do plan on having HD content as early as first quarter next year, but I couldn't ever get a firm mabey oh high power. KNOE Grade A??? What are they smoking? Grade B, yes, or Grade A analog, but not HD

Welcome to the Forum Smurf... KARD is scheduled to go digital sometime in 08 But that doesn't mean it might not happen sooner. I am trying to push a project through that would allow KARD to transmit in HD but low power... I really don't expect that to happen but it is worth a try.. I would think that would be a smart thing to do so that you don't have such a huge capital expense in 08 ( kinda stagger it out a bit) but I don't get to make those decisions for KARD.

KAQY might get HD but they will have MAJOR transmission problems. KAQY is currently switched by KMSS out of Shreveport. Their signal is transfered via Fiber to the Time Warner tower in West Monroe then microwaved direct to KARD's tower. According to my calculations, they will have to add a fiber line for the HD, then add a repeater site. They won't get the bandwidth shooting 40 miles via microwave for a HD stream. KAQY's Analog signal is on KARD's tower North West of Columbia, La. That's just a LONG shot for digital content to travel and keep a quality of bandwidth. They have enough problems on Analog. I was watching a show today on KAQY and the lip sync was soo far off I had to change the channel. KAQY only has a sale's office in Monroe.


Keith is the psip working now? It should be.. I have to drive to the transmitter tomorrow in Huttig, Just found out about a CC problem that has to do with the TSID unit so if it's not, I can swing by Eldo and check it out. (The problem with MC in West Monroe... I can't see the low power transmitter)

Cheers

Joe

Hi all, been a lurker here for a while. I recently moved to Monroe from Chicago and I'm going through major HD withdrawel. I live off of Finks Hideaway in Monroe and have a ChannelMaster 4228 antennta in my attic, with a pre-amp and use a DirecTiVo HR10-250 to pickup the local digital stations. I have a few questions, and I'm really hoping you guys can give me a hand.

1. I only pickup KARD/FOX (14-1, via ch. 36) via my antenna and not the NBC broadcast, when I put in 36-1 I get the same fox broadcast that is remapped to 14-1. Is NBC out here broadcasting digitally yet? If so on what channel? because even doing a full scan I never see it.

2. I currently get CBS (KNOE), both KETZ and the other PBS stations via my antenna as well, but does anyone know when/if ABC is ever going to broadcast digitally further than 2-feet from their transmitter and hopefully in HD? (I was able to pick up ABC for about 2 seconds a few months ago (attempting to re-aim the ant.)and even then the highest signal I got was in the 40's)

3. Are there any plans for FOX(KARD) to goto HD as I see KTVE(NBC) is next month?

Thanks guys!

MrSmurf, if at all possible, get that 4228 out of your attic and outside. Attic installation can cut your receive power in half, even more if you have a metal roof or any kind of metal-back sheathing or insulation on your house.

If you are dealing with a homeowner's association that frowns on outdoor antennas, remember you have a right to install an antenna on your property.

Wow, thanks for all the great reply's! I figured ABC out here would be a long shot, but not a big deal to me right now as I get the NY ABC HD feed from DirecTv. When I moved they never took it off my account since I was in an O&O before, shhhhh.

As for having the 4228 in my attic, figure this one out, I used to have it mounted on the roof and I couldn't get the KARD (FOX) digital signal for anything and KNOE would flux quite a bit. Just for giggles I moved it into the attic, plus I'm really not a big fan of all of the lightning down here, and for some odd reason I get way better reception in my attic. KARD comes in locked around 80's or so, and KNOE (CBS) is in the high 90's, and every so often I can pickup 21-1 from Shreveport.

Keith, I'm surpised you can't pick-up KNOE they seem to be the strongest out here. I could probley put a paper-clip in my ant. in on TiVo and pick them up. They do a fantasic job broadcasting everything they can in HD and even with the newly added CW on 8-2 I didn't notice any change in the quality.

As for KARD I've tried e-mailing several times via the region10 website asking about when HD would possibly go live and never got a response. If they did at least do a low-power HD signal I'd be happy since I already get there digital signal now.

When KTVE goes to HD, is that going to be full power? So I can at least hope to get a signal?

I would be happy if I could just get FOX and NBC in HD as then all the football games would be in HD for me. Although at least on Sunday I got to watch the Bears destroy the Bills in HD on CBS.

I think my problem with KNOE-DT is that there may be some interference from KATV-7 analog in Little Rock...not much, but just enough. Or I may just need to raise my VHF antenna up a few feet. Yeah KTVE-DT will be full power, with a signal comparable to analog channel 10.

As of this moment, I'm locking on to KNOE-DT... but a very marginal signal, though...

The encoder for KFXK has arrived and it they will be integrating it with the FOX splicing system this week. Hopefully up for the games this weekend.

Any new info on this? I believe the above message was posted on the 27th of September.

KNOE Grade A??? What are they smoking? Grade B, yes, or Grade A analog, but not HD

I think Directv's predictions are VERY liberal.... I checked the prediction from them for Frenchport, AR (2 miles south of Camden) and they had KNOE-DT listed as grade B there. I thought they went by the FCC maps, but apparently not, because if so, the only distant network feed El Dorado wouldn't be qualified for is NBC!

Joe, does KLTM have their own tower? KAQY and KLTM have very weak signals here in El Dorado... and you are right about their transmission problems... they are very apparent on cable... some nights, the picture from KTHV-11 in LR bleeds in through their frequency.

The PSIP info is fixed... and I think CC is as well, but Im not sure. The current DTV transmitter must not be broadcasting in stereo, because the sound is significantly lower then analog 10. Also, do you think KETZ-DT has very many viewers in South Arkansas? The only way I can get them is with my outdoor antenna... I tried hooking up a rabbit ears for my grandmother who lives just south of town on the Junction City Hwy in an attempt to pull in KETZ and KTVE's current digital signal, but I couldn't even get a signal from them. KTVE-DT came is very good when I had the rabbit ears close to a window... mobile homes do not exactly help reception, though!

I'm not sure of KLTM but I will check the data base and see if I can find anything out. CC should also be fixed... Eldo is unfortunally about in the middle between the two so depending on conditions, they their signals will be problematic in that area until one or the other moves channels, which I don't see happening.

Mobile homes do not generally have good indoor reception. Most of them are all metel and grounded at that (tie down straps).

At least most of the persons here have basic antenna design and theory knowledge. Putting up an antenne has seemed to be a "lost art" in today's world. At one time there were companies that installed outdoor antennas and did really well, but as cable and now DBS systems have flooded the market place, the need for antenna installers has gone by the wayside. Now as digital is going ahead full steam, the need for this trade is back. Most of your dish installers don't have a clue about RF reception. Their idea is that little clip on antenna that just doesn't work in this market. With HDTV reception one, in this market, needs a quality outdoor directional antenna (or multi directional) with rotar control and in some cases a preamp. But remember a preamp boosts EVERYTHING including noise. In the analog world, if you got a crappy low lvl signal, a preamp would give you (most of the times) a crappy higher lvl signal, but viewable. My off air antenna at my house (don't laugh) is a rad shack 10 elemement ( about 20 year old antenna) on a 8 foot pole in the back yard. I can receive all local channels at least grade B, KARD digital, KNOE-DT, PBS-DT, and sometimes KAQY but that is a very rare event. I live about 3 blocks behind the West Monroe city complex. Now if I want to take my Ham antenna down and put up my off air TV antenna to get more heigth (yeah right) I more than likely would receive more signals.

The bigest problem is today's person doesn't want to spend any money on their out door antenna. I have a mobile antenna (which is smaller) for signal tests. I use it for those waiver folks that piss whine moan and complain about getting OTA signals is impossable because of all those darn pine trees in their yard, or live between two microwave towers. I drive up to their house with the antenna in the bed of my truck (mounted to a cut out section of 3/4 inch plywood, a gable mount and a 5 foot pole). Inside the truck is one of those nifty 50 dollar wal mart special 19' televisions, nothing more, nothing less. 9 out of 10 times I get perfect picture from my stations, and I can rotate the antenna to pull in the rest. If home I'll let them come look at the little tv. I have only satisfied one viewer in the past 7 years doing that. Most don't really care, they just want a East and west coast feed so I was accually wasting my time. I have stopped that practice for it was just a waste of my time. I will go out and do signal checks around the area however, but I no longer invite the homeowner to watch, unless they see me and walk over.

WHERE DID ALL THE ANTENNA INSTALLERS GO? Dunno, but if there is a smart person out there that wanted to start a business of selling and installing the ideal multi directional antenna they could make a nice amount of pocket change. At least until the dish's and all Cable start passing the HD signal. The problem is the cost as stated before, no one wants to pay to receive "free over the air" signals. A good decient antenna system will cost between 150 - 200 bucks including the pole, antenna, guy wires (if needed), feedline, rotator( if not using a multi directional antenna), and preamp. Then the labor would run another 100 to 200 bucks depending on mounting situations, spliters, and enviorment. So after someone goes out any buys a couple of grand HDTV, they figure out that the antenna ( which the salesman never tells them) will cost them more. So they then get a dish, because of the digital feed (a contract plus more install) but then the locals won't come in right, but not to worry, the installer advised them that they can get a WAIVER with no problem. They call, get denied, and then get mad at the locals. Remember none of the dishes plan any time soon of putting up any of our HD signals in this market. And if on cable, they only do a EDTV signal not the true HD signal if the system offers that much. So the local is to blame again. Money hungry, greedy, not caring, local channels. It's never a win win situation.

Oh well... here I go on my soap box again... Sorry...I just got through processing my 200+ waiver requests for the week. That's per channel KARD and KTVE.

Cheers

Joe

Joe, I know that has to get old really quick, but I have a stupid question regarding the waivers. Do you ever just get waivers for HD only? I can totally understand getting frustrated with people requesting DNS feeds for analog since most should be able to get them with a decent ant. But with HD, since ABC/FOX and currently even NBC doesn't broadcast in HD out here shouldn't those request's be granted?

Hey Baralak, I live on the outer edge of receiving HD signals.(magnolia, arkansas) I can only get channels 3 DT and a PBS station out of Gurdon. Havn't been able to pickup any other locals but I'd like to because Im missing out on good HD. Are we allowed to pickup distant channels to receive HD as long as we keep out locals on DirecTV too?

If I knew I was guaranteed Id be able to pickup all the local networks that are available in HD, I would invest in a more expensive antenna. This ran me bout $75 2 years ago but its a hard pill to swallow to spend big bucks and get nada.

Well looky looky, with a bit of tweeking I'm getting some channels. Had to actually point my antenna slightly southeast and got a big improvement in signals. Here is what I am getting with my local stations

3-1 KTBSDT 77-79%
6-1 KTALDT 0-54% GOING BACK AND FORTH LIKE CRAZY
9-1 KETG-1 77-86%
12-1 KSLADT 45-54%
21-1 KPXJDT 54-69%
24-1 KLTSDT 0%
33-1 KMSSDT 0-36%
45-1 KSHVDT 0-10%

At least I'm getting some better signals with a little bit of tweeking. Maybe I can turn the antenna a slight bit more and see what I get. How bout an antenna booster? How much will this help my signal out?

I am very impressed with Dancing with the Stars in HD on 3-1 along with Jericho on 12-1. You guys were right when you said local HD looks much better than DirecTV Hd. One other note, I am using the DirecTV H10 for my tuner for my locals. Any more advice would be greatly appreciated.

Well looky looky, with a bit of tweeking I'm getting some channels. Had to actually point my antenna slightly southeast and got a big improvement in signals. Here is what I am getting with my local stations

3-1 KTBSDT 77-79%
6-1 KTALDT 0-54% GOING BACK AND FORTH LIKE CRAZY
9-1 KETG-1 77-86%
12-1 KSLADT 45-54%
21-1 KPXJDT 54-69%
24-1 KLTSDT 0%
33-1 KMSSDT 0-36%
45-1 KSHVDT 0-10%

At least I'm getting some better signals with a little bit of tweeking. Maybe I can turn the antenna a slight bit more and see what I get. How bout an antenna booster? How much will this help my signal out?

I am very impressed with Dancing with the Stars in HD on 3-1 along with Jericho on 12-1. You guys were right when you said local HD looks much better than DirecTV Hd. One other note, I am using the DirecTV H10 for my tuner for my locals. Any more advice would be greatly appreciated.


A good preamp would help those signals even more :) The Channel Master 7777 , especially. It would make your exsiting signals increase, and woruld probably bring in the channels you don't get. Have you seen any shows on KPXJ (CW)? They look really good in HD. And it's good you are getting KSLA... I would do just about anything to get them from my location. The thing that makes me mad is that if I just moved a miles or so out of the city limits, I would probably be able to get them :(

Joe, I could really use one of those antenna installers...it would be nice to have a tower here! I never could find one in the yellow pages.

Well just caught a glimpse of One Tree Hill on CW, looks good but slightly grainer than Jerich looked. I havnt seen any other shows yet on CW but I am pretty happy to get the channels now. How bout more info on that preamp, how and where to install it and what not. Watching Lost now, looks great. Little or no artifacts and no noticable blockiness.

One sucky thing is that Im going to have to go back under my house and run the wire to these two rooms over again. Numbskull DirecTv installers used my wiring hub for the wire in the bedroom and Im sure the other hub is disconected since they need to do the 2 hookup setup for the tivo. Currently my tv in the mainroom has only standard sd tivo but I am looking to get tivo hd. Problem is those things are $299 and I got to wait before i have enough saved up to get it. Sucks but Im anxious to have Hd hooked up continuously in my front room.

KTBS has always done a good job with HD in my opinion...KSLA looks good, too... but the last time I received them they were'nt passing DD 5.1. You can find the CM 7777 preamp here (http://www.warrenelectronics.com/antennas/7777.htm) ... it attaches to the antenna mast, right below the antenna, and plugs into an electrical outlet... it's really not as complicated as it sounds... you need a coax to go from the mount on the mast to the antenna...another long coax to go from the mount on the mast inside to the power supply brick, and a coax to go from the power brick to the tv. It really helped my situation a lot... but the instructions that comes with it are a necessity!

Spidy, did you change out the cables in your HR-10 with RG6 yet? Take a look on the tivo forum for more info tivocommunity dot co Inside the Tivo they are just using a standard spiltter and RG-59 cables to feed the ATSC tuners. You can switch them out with RG-6 (you will need a F-connector to RCA adapter, which you can get at a local rat shack), after I did that to mine I was able to pick up KPXJ.

Well the good ole SHVIA's rules (which are so dear to my heart... NOT!) does't tackle that problem... Remember this is the United States Goverment that we are dealing with here.. The same people who want to tax the USE of the information superhighway that Al Gore invented. (My apologies to any democrats out there who were offended by the last remark) The same people that think that al a carte cable programming would be too much a cost for the poor cable providers. It doesn't even address HD programming, nor does it address if you can even receive a Digital signal. What it states, is that if a household is "unserved" with an analog signal, (remember the term unserved requires the home owner to have an above the roof top antenna system which the majority of waiver requests doesn't even have an outdoor antenna) then the unserved viewer can apply for a Digital waiver if served by the Sat provider. It doesn't state if the viewier cannot receive a digital signal, or HD signal, but Analog signal. Just a big bunch -o- fun... Here is the quote from the fcc's page:

Subscribers who are "unserved" with respect to analog service are eligible for distant digital signals. Satellite companies are not required to offer distant digital signals.

I am working on a new website for our HDTV information page... It sucks right now but you can check it out at:

www.nelageo.net/hdtv

Be sure to read the what is HDTV concerning Cable... it also is true for the Sat providers.

I gotta get off my soap box!

Joe

Well, it appears I may be able to settle my local HD delima anyways. So is channel 10 out of Monroe? I seem to recall picking up channel 10 as a kid at my folks home pretty good, super good. We lived in Chidester Arkansas and it was one of our best reception channels out there. I didn't know it was out of Monroe, actually thought it was aired out of ElDorado. But anways, I don't guess there is a good shot for me from Magnolia, Ar. to pick that channel up? I would for sure have to aim further southeast to grab that signal. if it's even possible.

KTVE's City of License is in El Dorado... hence KTVEl Dorado.... their transmitter is located in Bolding, Arkansas..which is south of Strong. Their main studio is in West Monroe now... I think they moved there in the 80's... I have always considered it El Dorado because techinically, it is... and it just makes me feel better to know El Dorado has a TV station...lol... if their transmitter was located in Monroe, their signal would barely reach El Dorado... much less Magnolia! Do you get a good signal from them on analog right now? As I said earlier, you should have no problems with receiving them... you'll be lucky, because you'll be able to get KTVE-DT and KTAL-DT for NBC once they go full power. You might also be able to snag KATV-DT for another ABC when they go full power in the next week or so.

I'm going to have to figure out why channel 10 doesn't show on my DirecTv sattelite tuner. Because the station should come in super strong being that it is bolding arkansas.

Are you talking about KTVE analog or KTVE-DT? Right now, KTVE-DT is operating a low power, and the signal really doesn't reach into Camden, much less Magnolia. Toward Thanksgiving week, is whe they will go on the air full power with HD. If you are talking about analog 10...you shouldn't be having any problems with them....

Anybody able to get KSHV? I am in Bossier and can lock the signal very strong (90%+), but the data won't take in my receiver and it doesn't recognize it as KSHV and it won't save.

I haven't done a re-scan. I am trying to add it manually using DT 44.

This is on a Dish Network VIP-622.

KATV Little Rock, AR has *finally* increased power on its digital signal on ch 22 according to signal readings taken at my location an hour ago. If you are able to get a analog signal from ch 7 Little Rock, then its possible.

This is good news for those in Bradley, Drew, Desha, Lincoln, Cleveland, Calhoun, Dallas, Clark, and possibly Ouchicta counties (maybe Ashley and Union also) in southern AR for an additional OTA HD/digital station.

I posted more details in the Little Rock forum....

Well I dont get anything but its maybe just my receiver not recognizing it. Ill figure it out hopefully.

I bet if put the antenna lead directly to the tv, channel 10 would come in fine.

I have posted new pictures of the digital transmitter.. it might just arrive sooner than expected. It has been crated up and awaiting shipping orders.. Check out the little website that I'm working on... Pics are REALLY slow to load right now, but will get faster once they are converted to flash.

www.nelageo.net/hdtv

let me know what you think should be added onto the site... We will use this as a launch vehicle for the digital. Promos will lead people to it once completed and it will be on the main site, but for now I'm using it on my geocaching webpage server..

Joe

BTW... If you would like to know.. I found out today that my General Manager reads this forum... be sure to tell him Hi.

I bet if put the antenna lead directly to the tv, channel 10 would come in fine.


KTVE has always come in well for me anywhere in south Arkansas with just a pair of rabbit ears... From my home location, a piece of coax cable works fine.

I have posted new pictures of the digital transmitter.. it might just arrive sooner than expected. It has been crated up and awaiting shipping orders.. Check out the little website that I'm working on... Pics are REALLY slow to load right now, but will get faster once they are converted to flash.

www.nelageo.net/hdtv

let me know what you think should be added onto the site... We will use this as a launch vehicle for the digital. Promos will lead people to it once completed and it will be on the main site, but for now I'm using it on my geocaching webpage server..

Joe

BTW... If you would like to know.. I found out today that my General Manager reads this forum... be sure to tell him Hi.


Joe the new pics look good....so that is the actually transmitter? Too bad you can't just go up there and haul it back in a truck :D Where is it coming from?

And I don't know the GM's name...but if you're reading this, thanks for helping get KTVE in HD! And I think your chief engineer deserves a raise!

Originally Posted by FOX44CE
The encoder for KFXK has arrived and it they will be integrating it with the FOX splicing system this week. Hopefully up for the games this weekend.

Any new info on this? I believe the above message was posted on the 27th of September.

Just bumping this in hopes that it will catch FOX44CE's eye.

It's the tuner Im sure not even acknowledging it.

Nice job Joe! I am really getting excited about HD on KTVE. I havent really been able to watch the station since the digital signal is so weak and my tuner only picks up digital locals. Good job to all for getting HD going on KTVE.

Any word on the KTAL full power/HD upgrade?

If KTVE goes live before KTAL, thats another option for those east of Shreveport for NBC OTA.

KTVE-DT will cover about the same area as the analog signal. It should take of the dead spots in SE Arkansas where KARK (NBC Little Rock) and WABG's signals "mix" and give Greenville , MS another HD option besides WABG (ABC-HD/Fox-SD) and WMAO (PBS-MPB).

KATV's unconfirmed upgrade should take care of ABC in the before mentioned white areas in SE Ark. However, WABG did offer (in March 2006) DD5.1 audio on ABC where KATV still does not .

I assume HD/digital won't be a priority right now at KEJB (MNTV)?

KTAL, last time I checked, is set for November 9th... but we'll see.. and I think digital isn't even a priority for KEJB. They don't even have a record for a digital channel! lol....

Because KEJB's Construction Permit's date, they cannot have a digital channel until after the analog conversion. Now they can go digital any time they are ready, but they will not be analog.

Oh okay...so if they went digital now, they would just have to flash cut to it? Didn't they go on the air in 2004?

That's correct. They will just turn off their transmitter.. convert it to digital.. and turn it back on.

Joe,

When do you think that will happen? Do you think it will be before 2009?

Also, the picture on KTVE-DT is off again... same as before, shows a high signal strength, but that's all.

Well Crap!... I will get one of my folks to head to El Dorado.. It will be when 80% of the viewers/headends receive digital.

Joe, the PSIP info is showing up now...but still no picture. Well at least when you get the main one going, you won't have to worry about not being able to monitor the transmission! :-)

Joe,

When do you think that will happen? Do you think it will be before 2009?
....

My guess would be 2008...about the time KARD-DT comes online full power.

My guess would be 2008...about the time KARD-DT comes online full power.


I wonder what prompted KEJB to go on the air? I didn't even realize they existed until a year after they went on the air... I really could have used UPN back when Star Trek: Voyager was on :rolleyes: I had to get a friend of mine in Camden to record the new episodes on KASN... seems like that was forever ago....lol

I used to go over to my friend's house in Camden to watch Voyager myself for the same reason, lack of reception.

Yeah... I don't know why UPN decided to take it out of syndication. I remember that it was allowed to be syndicated for the first few seasons, then they started carrying it exclusively on UPN... man I bet Voyager would have looked great in HD, if they could have had it in HD back then. I never got interested in Enterprise, probably in part to not having UPN on cable here..

Originally Posted by FOX44CE
The encoder for KFXK has arrived and it they will be integrating it with the FOX splicing system this week. Hopefully up for the games this weekend.



Just bumping this in hopes that it will catch FOX44CE's eye.

There where technical problems with the encoder and Tandberg has notified the station that they have backordered the multiplexer board that was defective.

All other equipment is in place and tested and the transistion to HD will be completed as soon as the new encoder is received and programmed.

Due to the extremely high demand for HD encoding equipment right now, several of our ComCorp stations in the group are experiencing these same problems.

There where technical problems with the encoder and Tandberg has notified the station that they have backordered the multiplexer board that was defective.

All other equipment is in place and tested and the transistion to HD will be completed as soon as the new encoder is received and programmed.

Due to the extremely high demand for HD encoding equipment right now, several of our ComCorp stations in the group are experiencing these same problems.


Thanks for the update. Luckily I have the Superfan package for the Sunday Ticket so I get to see all of the good games in HD anyway. :)

Joe,

The website for KTVE-HD is looking better...just thought I'd tell you. Also, there must be a problem with your main transmitter...KTVE analog has been off for most of the day, but I'm sure you know that!

I was at work and KTVE was on about 11 a.m. this morning. I may have missed it when it was out. Counting down the days till HD!

They are back on now.... the analog signal is, anyway.... the digital is still down..oh well!

Man.. I have made more trips to the Analog transmitter that I want to mention... The digital is back down? I'll have Chris check it out tomorrow...

YES... Counting down....

There where technical problems with the encoder and Tandberg has notified the station that they have backordered the multiplexer board that was defective.

All other equipment is in place and tested and the transistion to HD will be completed as soon as the new encoder is received and programmed.

Due to the extremely high demand for HD encoding equipment right now, several of our ComCorp stations in the group are experiencing these same problems.

KFXK-DT is now on the air with FOX HD!

They are in the process of intgrating HD switching into the automation system.

Please bear with them as they perfect the HD splicer switching.

Man.. I have made more trips to the Analog transmitter that I want to mention... The digital is back down? I'll have Chris check it out tomorrow...

YES... Counting down....

Yep..KTVE-DT is still showing a black screen. At least when you get the new one up and running, you won't have to worry about it! What are you going to do with the old one?

KFXK-DT is now on the air with FOX HD!

They are in the process of intgrating HD switching into the automation system.

Please bear with them as they perfect the HD splicer switching.


Great news.

Is the integration the reason the World Series is switching back and forth from 4:3 to HD?

I take it from the appearance of a full screen SD picture of today's NFL on Fox games instead of a letterbox 16X9 picture that KFXK's HD installation is still working out the bugs

Same for the World Series tonight. Full screen analog. Sure looked nice last night while it was working. :)

Hopefully they will get the kinks worked out soon.

Keith have you had a problem with KETZ and the channels pixelating? I have had it since they started broadcasting and it appears to be something with the broadcast and not on my end. Thank God for LBP!

Joe any updates on KTVE HD? Just checking in and havent heard in a little while. Is everything on course for right after Thanksgiving?

I've always had problems with them pixelating. I figured it was due to interference from KSLA 12 in Shreveport, their program guide is also messed up, for me anyway. They are suppose to be fixing it.

I don't know where Joe has been on here, but I emailed him yesterday about HD status, and he said they are still on trck for November 24. Have you seen that show Friday Night Lights in HD? I saw it for a few minutes, and the PQ has to be the worst I've seen as far as HD goes. Leno and Conan have always looked the best to me on NBC. That's a little off topic, but it just crossed my mind...lol

No I havent seen it yet but to me I think CBS usually has the best PQ on my set. I am itching for a new tv for Christmas and trying to decide what to go with. Hopefully it will have a better ota tuner than my directv receivers tuner. Now just picking a tv lol.

I saw that KFXK finally got into 720p Letterbox format today! Now to see the World Series in HD this evening

Well, I saw the World Series, or what coverage they could carry of it during the 7-8PM hour due to tonight's rain delay, and KFXK finally had it in 16X9, and I'm more than pleased.

FOX44CE, you have my compliments for getting KFXK's HD off the ground!

No I havent seen it yet but to me I think CBS usually has the best PQ on my set. I am itching for a new tv for Christmas and trying to decide what to go with. Hopefully it will have a better ota tuner than my directv receivers tuner. Now just picking a tv lol.

I have an ILO 27" TV with built in DTV tuner, and it's one of the best and runs for about $270 at Wal-Mart.

No I havent seen it yet but to me I think CBS usually has the best PQ on my set. I am itching for a new tv for Christmas and trying to decide what to go with. Hopefully it will have a better ota tuner than my directv receivers tuner. Now just picking a tv lol.


CBS does look the best to me as well... even on Directv! NBC on Directv looks grainy. ABC also has good PQ. I have an LG 32 inch, and it has an excellent OTA tuner. Whatever you do, don't get a Sanyo! The picture has a greenish tint to it, and the onscreen displays are pretty generic. And SD looks horrible! I got one from Walmart and took it back two days later. I want to get that 42 inch LG from Best Buy with the built in DVR... but at 2000 bucks, it's kinda expensive!

I was looking at a 50 inch samsung 1080p DLP or Sharp aquos. Hard decisions especially at the store when you really dont know how the screens have been set up. I was at circuit city in Shreveport and just from the store the sharp had the best pq but I am sure when you get it home and adjust video you never know.

I always shop at Best Buy... even though CC has cheaper prices, they never have a cashier! I always have to wait at customer service to get checked out. And plus, I have a higher credit limit on my BB card....lol