Yeah I went to BB and CC seemed to beat there prices. I wish Monroe had both stores. CC really had some good deals on open box tvs that appeared to be brand new and I couldnt find anything wrong with them. Just a little hesitant to spend that much money on something not brand new.

Monroe will probably get a Best Buy and Circuit City once there's more HD stations in the market.... or maybe they'll at least start looking at Monroe. I don't imagine there's many HDTVs in El Dorado....most people here think that regular digital cable is HD :rolleyes:

Sorry all, been busy at the transmitter site.... BTW... Circut City is building next to the Toys-r-us in Monroe... I don't have an ETA on their completion. We will start a promo next week concerning HD... it will be a teaser.. "The future of Television is Comming"

Would you mind if I put a link to this thread on my little information website, or would it be more interesting if I started a local forum? Q & A situation.. You remember when you got your first HDTV... Wouldn't it have been nice to have some where to go from the start?

Anyhow.. let me know.. BTW the HDTV link is live on our website... www.nbc10news.net

Joe

Hey Joe,

I tihnk the Q & A would be a great idea.... and as far as a forum goes, both ideas are great. What do you personally think would be best?

Also, Im sorry about my email filter. I thought I had your address added in my address book, but I guess I didn't...I get all the emails sent to me, it's just the ones not in my address book go to another folder. About another month til full power!

Yeah it would have been great when I first bought an HDTV to have a site like this or a local one. I personally think both ideas are great on the forum. Great news about Circuit City in Monroe.

ok...the new forum is up and live.. you can get there off the hd page, or by going to www.nbc10news.net and clicking on the HDTV info button.

Joe

Same for the World Series tonight. Full screen analog. Sure looked nice last night while it was working. :)

Hopefully they will get the kinks worked out soon.

I spent the day yesterday on the phone with the KFXK chief engineer finalizing the encoder settings and coordinating splicer configuration with FOX TOC.

Everything appears to be working normally now and FOX HD should be available on KFXK from now on.

Please keep commenting on what you are seeing over the air because feedback on this forum is a valuable asset to help us improve our product.

Lou Strowger
Chief Engineer
KWKT Waco, Tx
Corporate Engineer
Communications Corporation

No HD on the World Series as the telecast starts on KFXK.

I have an ILO 27" TV with built in DTV tuner, and it's one of the best and runs for about $270 at Wal-Mart.
I think he is looking for an HD tv.

No HD on the World Series as the telecast starts on KFXK.

Ooops. See next post below......................

No HD on the World Series as the telecast starts on KFXK.

There was a problem with the newest software installed on the Tandberg HD encoder at KFXK and compatibility with the FOX splicer.

They loaded the same version we have been running here in Waco this morning and are monitoring the output of the splicer today for any further issues.

If no new problems arise they will be in HD for the game tonight.

Sorry about the delay guys but we are slaves to our vendors sometimes.

There was a problem with the newest software installed on the Tandberg HD encoder at KFXK and compatibility with the FOX splicer.

They loaded the same version we have been running here in Waco this morning and are monitoring the output of the splicer today for any further issues.

If no new problems arise they will be in HD for the game tonight.

Sorry about the delay guys but we are slaves to our vendors sometimes.

Don't you just miss the days when television didn't require fancy computers?....hee hee.

Any idea with what's going on now with Fox HD?

The KTVE Digital transmitter will be delivered this week (Thursday) to the transmitter site. We are astatic and can't wait to start moving forward. I will keep you updated here and on the Monroe-El Dorado Local HD forum page at www.nelageo.net/hdtvforum

Cheers

Joe

Thanks, Joe. Good luck with the project. Look forward to following the progress.

Kelly,
AETN- Conway.

Hey Joe,

Thanks for the many updates! It would be great if you came online ahead of schedule... and I'll be watching for the HD promos :)

Awesome news Joe!

If you can let us know when you start testing in full power mode. I'll be praying that I can get the signal without having to move my antenna again :)

Something I have noticed locally compared to D*. Local HD doesn't pixelate while D* does badly at times. I take it locals use full bandwith in their HD channels right?

Why doesn't my D* tuner give me an option to pick up KTVE Analog ota. I went through my antenna setup and even clicked zipcodes for ElDorado and Monroe but it will not list anything for KTVE. I would think I can pick up KTVE up better than KTAL locally with my current setup.

Hmmm...that's pretty odd. I have an H20 receiver, so it doesnt let me get analog channels, but you really shouldn't be having a problem. Have you tried calling D* to see what the problem is? And yeah, you will probably get KTVE, both analog and digital (once they go full power) better than KTAL. Channel 6 always has bad impulse noise, especially if you live in the fringe area. I noticed on my H20, that D* doesn't have KTVE-DT in their database... so you may want to call them and see if they even know KTVE exists!

Well last night I watche d the Cowboys/Carolina game and I could get it on 6-1KTVEDT. Looked good but ofcourse not as good as HD, wasn't in HD. Now I couldn't get any signal for the HD counterpart of that station, if it's even up. I think I just have the HZ10 receiver. Where do u live keith?

I live in El Dorado.... about half a mile from KTVE's low-powered DT transmitter. Once they go full power, they will be transmitting from their tower in Huttig, AR. Now were you getting KTVE-DT last night, or KTAL-DT? I noticed you typed 6-1 KTVE... KTAL is low power right now as well, but they are suppose to be in HD, full power on November 9th. (we'll see) Is the HZ10 an older model? Im not really familiar with D* receivers...

I meant H10. Yah, it's not the newer H20 receiver. Got it bout 6 months ago. Still don't have an Hd tuner on my main tv because A) I want tivo, which I currently have. B)$299 is expensive for an H20 tivo receiver C)Not enough HD channels to justify spending $299 on that receiver.
They should think about my retention because I am tempted to go Dish Network. I think they are a lil cheaper and you get some movie channels, starz I think and movie channel(not sure) and you get more HD channels, yah HD lite. Which to say doesn't look as good local ota for sure.
I was getting that 3rd ktve digital channel. It wasn't the HD version, checked the guide and noticed it wasb't in HD but the other one was. Digital local looked better still than that soft looking D* signal. So how far is that KTVE tower from me? I live in McNeil, Arkansas. Bout 6 miles north of Magnolia.

The channel I was getting KTALDT, non Hd channel 6 but I am not even getting enough signal for it. Neither for channel 12. I need to get a better antenna for sure and a preamp. Just havnt had the time.

Spiderman,

The KTVE tower is located in Huttig AR, in Union County. The antenna height will be 1850' and according to our signal plot, Magnolia will be well within the grade B footprint.

Joe

http://www.nelageo.net/hdimages/footprint.jpg

Thanks Baralak, looking forward to grabbing KTVE in Hd.

KFXK is apparently back in 16X9 letterbox mode today.....however there seems to be problems with the 16X9 picture on 31.1 right now......the picture is divided into three segments.....the top features a heavily pixelated version of Judge Alex, the middle features a still picture from today's Jerry Springer airing on KLPN 31.2, and the bottom features a still picture from the end of the last segment of Judge Alex before the show went into commercial break just a few minutes ago. I sense a return to SD before 3PM.

Maybe they oughta send some people from KETK to KFXK to help fix the problem?

Spiderman on your HR10-250 D* receiver you can only pickup Digital channels. I have the same receiver as you and it only comes with two ATSC (digital) tuners so unfortuntally you can not pickup any analog signals with it.

Yah I get the analog locals through D* subscription.

Well, I'm getting 3,6,12,21 and 33 just fine now. Can't seem to pickup 45 but that's a junk channel for me now. I can get all the others High Def when broadcasted. Hopefully channel 10 Digital will be up soon. Watched Smallville in HD last night and it looke great. You can see every lil blimish on the actors face. It's that clear.

Getting Shreveport digital locals (KTBS, KPXJ, KSLA, KMSS) for second morning in a row up here.

Howdy Folks... Just an update... the Digital transmitter has arrived, and the encoder rack will arrive next week. The first piece of equipment that will be installed and completed will be the encoder rack.

Be sure to check out the Monroe-El Dorado HDTV forum by going to the NBC 10 Website at www.nbc10news.net or directly to www.nelageo.net/hdtv

Cheers

Joe

KTAL supposed to be up this week,, anybody heard anything?

windham, I haven't heard anything about KTAL since I emailed them back in August... they told a Shreveport paper back in October that they were still going online November 9th. I noticed they have updated their news set, graphics, etc, so I just assume they got the new set in time for HD, and it is sweeps month... so I would be very surprised if they didn't go online this month...let's cross our fingers!

windham, I haven't heard anything about KTAL since I emailed them back in August... they told a Shreveport paper back in October that they were still going online November 9th. I noticed they have updated their news set, graphics, etc, so I just assume they got the new set in time for HD, and it is sweeps month... so I would be very surprised if they didn't go online this month...let's cross our fingers!


Sorry guys.. I have also been waiting on it to go HD


But based on this website it wont be out till the 1st of December at the earliest.
http://www.ktalnews.tv/announcement.asp

Well I've waited 5 years I guess I can wait another 3 weeks.

windham, I haven't heard anything about KTAL since I emailed them back in August... they told a Shreveport paper back in October that they were still going online November 9th. I noticed they have updated their news set, graphics, etc, so I just assume they got the new set in time for HD, and it is sweeps month... so I would be very surprised if they didn't go online this month...let's cross our fingers!


http://www.ktalnews.tv/announcement.asp

says full power AND HD,,, others did FP and HD later,, bugs forthcoming?
fingers crossed here!

Well I'm glad they sent out that notice.... at least it shows they are fooling around anymore and not lying. I will give the the benefit of the doubt til December 1st :)

KSLA NOT PASSING HD!!!
Y&R this am, Shark tonight

any updates?

Spiderman, if you are talking about KTAL, I haven't heard an update about KTAL since the links that windham and simmonstwin posted about their HD status.... one can only hope they will keep their word about the new date... I'm just happy they are trying to get online! It's good to see Nexstar finally taking HD seriously. They see that the audience is *rapidly* growing, and they are losing viewers by not upgrading. When you see Nexstar getting on the ball like they are now, you know HD is quickly becoming #1 among TV viewers.. and the general public is finally realizing what HD is... it's not just crappy "digital" cable anymore :)

KSLA NOT PASSING HD!!!
Y&R this am, Shark tonight


windham, has KSLA gotten their act together yet?

Since we have a few engineers here, I have a question.

Is it a major feat to broadcast in HD and have a crawl going?

The reason I ask is that virtually all HD was in SD on election night in Shreveport. I assume it is because of the crawls. It seems that superimposing the crawls should be the same on HD as it is in SD.

Ronald;

I think it has more to do with the stations capabilities. In our case, we can only pass-through HD from the network at this time. We can do most anything else we need to in SD. But, when we converted from analogue to digital, HD was exponentially (I'm tempted to say "hell-atiously") more expensive, and frankly, not yet truly developed. (For example, I seem to recall that the supposedly HD cameras weren't actually 1080 but something less and would *attempt* to upconvert. YET, they were several more thousands of dollars. It just wasn't a prudent use of the public's money for us to do that. --we, A.E.T.N., are a state agency. We opted to pass-through-only HD, build a full SD plant, and wait for reliable products to be built and for prices to get out of the stratosphere.)

So, I said all that to say all this. The station may be able to pass-through the network election coverage, but could not ADD their crawl locally and retain the image in HD. Hope this helps. (<grin> your mileage may vary).

Anybody else care to share their experiences???

Kelly in Conway,
AETN Engineering




Since we have a few engineers here, I have a question.

Is it a major feat to broadcast in HD and have a crawl going?

The reason I ask is that virtually all HD was in SD on election night in Shreveport. I assume it is because of the crawls. It seems that superimposing the crawls should be the same on HD as it is in SD.

Well it's too bad the stations can't put their election results on a subchannel, but it would probably be more trouble than it's worth. Oh well, I think I can put up with one night of no HD...lol..except of course, when the weather gets bad, then we'll have weather maps on the screen..

Well...To be able to crawl over HD programming is several tens of thousands of bucks.. Now Keith, You have a valid point about using the subchannel for elections results, but there still is a huge capital outlay to add a ticker on the subchannel... another area for us will be storm warn on the HD channel..

Joe

Hello everyone. Just found this site. I live in Texarkana, AR and get my local programming from Shreveport. I am on Dish Networks, and the HDTV is great, except they have no idea when the local channels will become available through Dish in HD. So, I'm wondering if anyone in this area has had any luck using an external large directional antenna with pre-amp? Antennaweb says it can be done...but I've yet to find anyone who has done it, or who in the area to contact.

Thanks,
Mickey

Hey Mick,

Well in my opinion, you have an excellent chance of getting the Shreveport HD signals...with the excpetion maybe being KLTS (PBS/LPB) since they are low power. Won't know 100% til you try, but KTBS, KSLA, KTAL, and KMSS are almost a certainty. I don't know about KSHV... but you may be surprised. Go to www.warrenelectronics.com and look at ordering a Channel Master 4228 and a Channel Master 7777 preamp. That antenna is the *best* for long range digital reception, and the preamp will help out your signals even more. Antennaweb shows Texarkana as being around 50-55 miles from the transmitters, which is a good thing, since you aren't so close that the signal will overload, but not too far away that the curvature of the earth interferes with reception. You aren't in the earth's "radio shadow" at 55 miles, in other words. With a 4228, and 7777 preamp, mounted on your roof (or 15 - 20 feet above ground), you should get some healthy signals. In El Dorado, I could get KMSS-DT every evening after sundown in time for FOX primetime, and I was 85 miles from the transmitter. KTBS and KPXJ made it to my antenna a little later in the evening. Hope this helps! And I'd pull the trigger on the 4228 and 7777 preamp...you won't regret it, believe me!

Well...To be able to crawl over HD programming is several tens of thousands of bucks.. Now Keith, You have a valid point about using the subchannel for elections results, but there still is a huge capital outlay to add a ticker on the subchannel... another area for us will be storm warn on the HD channel..

Joe


Hey Joe, yeah I figured it would cost stations a pretty penny overlaying weather graphics, election results, etc., over HD. I personally can live with a little bit of SD if the weather is bad... I'd hate for someone to get killed just b/c we all don't want to miss Law and Order in HD for a couple minutes :(

I also have moved to Jackson... well actually a subburb of Jackson (wouldn't live in the city for nothing! :eek: ) My family is still in El Dorado (always will be).. so I'll be in AR on the weekends, so I'll still be able to watch KTVE-HD! It's a big change going from only having AETN and KTVE-SD digital wise, to having NBC, CBS, ABC, FOX, and PBS-HD all the time! I have a 4228 just sitting on my living room floor, and can get perfect signals from all the Jackson locals... although I've noticed WLBT-DT (RF 9) gets pixelation when a car pulls into my apartment complex. Is that due to WLBT being on VHF? I noticed the same thing with KETZ in El Dorado. I also get WJTV (CBS/RF52) at 100% signal, but I experience random dropouts... do you think an attenuator would help that situation any?

In any case, I'll still be watching KTVE-HD 2 to 3 days a week... can't stay away from my hometown for very long before I get homesick...haha. If I don't talk to any of you before Thursday, have a Happy Thanksgiving! :)

Hey Keith,

Thanks for the info. I've been doing a lot of research lately on all this. Of course, Dish keeps telling me it's the Shreveport stations not ready to send their HD signals to satellite. But, after talking to Dale Cassidy, the Chief Engineer for KTBS, he said, "We are ready and waiting for the Dish network to carry our signal." So, since I'm having to watch so many football games in poor quality, except ESPN and ESPN2, I'm going to install the external antenna. From my research, I had already decided on the Channel Master 4228 and the Channel Master 7777 preamp...so, I'm glad you concur. And, Dale Cassidy said they have people receiving their signal as far north as Deirks, AR...and that's quite a ways north of here, so I should be good. Now, I've got to find someone here to install it. ;-)

Thanks,
Mickey

KTBS will be your strongest signal I'm sure... since there were a few people from around Magnolia on here a while back, and they had no problems with KTBS.


Here is the coverage map for KTBS-DT, just to give you an idea of how strong of a signal they have -

http://i10.tinypic.com/4gnkabn.gif


Now, look at KSLA-DT...

http://i15.tinypic.com/2e2mmhl.gif

You can tell by the map that KSLA clearly has a lower powered transmitter than KTBS... but Texarkana is still in KSLA's predicted coverage area, so you shouldn't have a problem with them. You never know til you try! :)

windham, has KSLA gotten their act together yet?

KSLA had no HD for about a week,, back up now
Also CBS only does 3 NFL games in HD each Sunday vs 6 for FOX
ITS THE NFL! BUY SOME MORE HD CAMERAS CBS!

On another note, Friday is Dec. 1st,,,,

"Letter from the General Manager

To KTAL viewers,

The best laid plans…and so it goes! Our best laid plan to begin broadcasting in full power HD on November 9 has hit a snag. The tower contractors assure us the delay will be minimal, no more than two to three weeks and our Engineering Department is confident that we will be able to bring our viewers full power HD by December 1. Meanwhile, thank you for your patience. We know the final product will be worth the wait!

Scott Thomas

VP/GM KTAL-TV "

Well I must say the Jackson CBS affiliate (WJTV) does a great job with HD. Only one subchannel, and they never fail to flip the switch, or as far as I've seen. Be sure to check CH 15 on Friday to see if KTAL keeps their word.... lol

Well I must say the Jackson CBS affiliate (WJTV) does a great job with HD. Only one subchannel, and they never fail to flip the switch, or as far as I've seen. Be sure to check CH 15 on Friday to see if KTAL keeps their word.... lol

Hope so , KETK 56 failed to switch for the last entire Sunday night NFL game. What a waste considering all the work and money, KTAL would give me 2 of all the major networks in HD, redundancy for those forgetful switch operators. FOX stations use a different deal, switching eliminated I think. But 33 & 51 have different games sometimes too. I'm "deep fringe", but in 2 markets. Big antenna's worth it. Wish I had my previous C/M Quantum, big Crossfire's good , but that giant Quantum was a BEAST.

Long live huge antennas and SUPPORT FREE BROADCAST HDTV.
Cold coming, temperture inversion possible.
Death to the subchannels.

How bout channel 10 in HD?

Hope so , KETK 56 failed to switch for the last entire Sunday night NFL game. What a waste considering all the work and money, KTAL would give me 2 of all the major networks in HD, redundancy for those forgetful switch operators. FOX stations use a different deal, switching eliminated I think. But 33 & 51 have different games sometimes too. I'm "deep fringe", but in 2 markets. Big antenna's worth it. Wish I had my previous C/M Quantum, big Crossfire's good , but that giant Quantum was a BEAST.

Long live huge antennas and SUPPORT FREE BROADCAST HDTV.
Cold coming, temperture inversion possible.
Death to the subchannels.


I personally will never subscribe to cable.... while it's nice to have, I just think the 50.00+ a month could be used better elsewhere. And having digital and HD makes it that much better. I can handle one subchannel on a station...two is TOLBERABLE, but barely....and they have to have a top of the line encoder. Yeah I like that FOX has a splicer to control the bandwidth... I wish all the networks could do that! I also think all stations should have an automatic switchover to HD, so viewers don't have to call the station every time they mess up by not switching over! At least then, if the program is not in HD, we know that it's not suppose to be! :)

How bout channel 10 in HD?

Hey Spiderman, long time no see... well over at www.region10.com on the HDTV page, the chief engineer said it will be another couple weeks before they are able to turn the transmitter on :( Oh well, it's not the first time a deadline has been pushed back (look at KTAL...lol)

windam, let us know on here on the 1st if KTAL keeps their word....

And spiderman, you should have no problems with KTAL-DT once they go full power, so you may want to be on the lookout for them on Friday. They'll be on RF 15...so you two let us know! :)

I got the following from Robert Brown, the President of the Texarkana HD Users Group:

"The December 1st switch to HD and full digital strength by the NBC affiliate for Texarkana-Shreveport, KTAL (DT-15), has been delayed.

The initial shipment of new structural steel, needed to reinforce the existing tower in order to support the new antenna properly, proved to be an inappropriate match for the existing tower. While the replacement steel has arrived, the weather needs to be good and the winds near the top of the tower need to be fairly clam for the new steel and antenna to be installed safely by the tower crew. I'm told, weather permitting, it will take about 2 weeks of actual workdays to finish the job. KTAL hopes to have everything working by Christmas.
When the upgrade takes place, KTAL will be able to "pass through" HD from NBC but will not yet be able to support HD from syndicated shows, such as Wheel of Fortune, although that upgrade has been requested of corporate management for the new budget year."

So, it looks like we'll still be waiting a while for KTAL....WHO KNOWS!! ;-)

Mickey

Are there any more users on here from Texarkana? My Channel Master 4228 antenna and 7777 pre-amp should be in next week...and I'm wondering who I might get to install it, and how high I should go with the mast???

I'm thinking about attaching it to my chimney (not brick, but wood) in the back of the house (north side) on a 30' pole. The chimney goes up approx 18' from the ground. Does anyone think it will support the extra 12' or so of mast above it??? Or, do I need to think of something else?

I will need to point it south toward the Shreveport channels transmitting towers in Mooringsport, about 55 miles away. (I live at the bottom of a hill, so that's why I'm thinking a 30' mast.) The compass readings for the transmitting towers in Mooringsport are anywhere from 170 degrees to 176 degrees, as the location of my house is at 33.492003 N Latitude and 94.008103 W Longitude.

Thanks,

Mickey

I knew they would manage to muck it up until AFTER football season was over...NOTHING else on KTAL is worth watching without HD, IMO. I do appreciate the effort but they waited so friggin long to get started. Maybe by the time next season rolls around it will be working. Now they need another 2 weeks of good weather? We had months and months of dry weather and they wait till winter to do the outside stuff...poor planning.

I got the following from Robert Brown, the President of the Texarkana HD Users Group:

"The December 1st switch to HD and full digital strength by the NBC affiliate for Texarkana-Shreveport, KTAL (DT-15), has been delayed.

The initial shipment of new structural steel, needed to reinforce the existing tower in order to support the new antenna properly, proved to be an inappropriate match for the existing tower. While the replacement steel has arrived, the weather needs to be good and the winds near the top of the tower need to be fairly clam for the new steel and antenna to be installed safely by the tower crew. I'm told, weather permitting, it will take about 2 weeks of actual workdays to finish the job. KTAL hopes to have everything working by Christmas.
When the upgrade takes place, KTAL will be able to "pass through" HD from NBC but will not yet be able to support HD from syndicated shows, such as Wheel of Fortune, although that upgrade has been requested of corporate management for the new budget year."

So, it looks like we'll still be waiting a while for KTAL....WHO KNOWS!! ;-)

Mickey


Pigs fly, Hell freezes over, Catch Bin Laden, KTAL full power HD,,,,,
Nexstar probably an al-quaida subsidiary anyway,

Well what a surprise.... If I was KTAL I would be embarrassed to even announce another delay.... that's ridiculous... :mad:

Hey Mick,

Well Im not sure if there are any other people on here from Texarkana, but an install is pretty easy. I've never done a chimney mount.... all I have done is a tripod....which is pretty easy. You might want to look into doing that, instead... just a suggestion :)

Oh and also, regarding living on the bottom of a hill... at my house in El Dorado, it is at a bottom of a hill (very bottom) and got pretty good results for not even being in a predicted coverage area for any DT stations.... and you're well within the service area for the SHV digitals, so you could probably be underground and still get the main ones from Shreveport..

Hey Keith,

Thanks for the info. I received my Channel Master 4228 and 7777 pre-amp from Warren Electronics yesterday. And, today I actually finally found someone in Texarkana to set this up for me. In case anyone else in the Texarkana area is looking for someone, it is Audio Video Concepts...Cody Pettigrew. They will be out Tuesday to hook me up. I'll report back then on what it looks like. Cody me told today that he actually installed one in an attic for someone in my area (Sugar Hill) and that this guy was picking up all the Shreveport stations with the same antenna and pre-amp I've got, through his attic. And, he said I'd probably be able to get by with a 15-20' mast with no problem. So, I feel alot better about it now. At least I'll get hooked up just in time for the college bowl season...and to watch the Cowboys and Saints in HD next weekend!!!!! ;-) Sure glad the Cowboys aren't on KTAL!!!!!!!

Hate to burst your bubble Mick but NBC used the new "flex" schedule crap and will have the Cowboys vs the Aints, so NO HD(thanks KTAL!). I am pretty mad about it also, but I kind of knew they would not get even one game on the air in HD this season. I hate the flex junk, just has to cause a LOT of problems for fans with tickets trying to plan a trip to the game, just to make a cpl extra ratings points for the networks.

Hey Ken, DANG I forgot about them moving it to a night game...which is NBC, instead of their normal Fox schedule!! I'm sitting here watching the 'Boys and Giants right now, and was saying this was my last game to have to watch without HD!! LOL!!! It's hard to imagine all the problems KTAL has had, when the other stations didn't!! And, I agree with your earlier post...why in the world didn't they plan on doing this in the summer when the weather was pefect for working on a tower???????

That would be the way they always do things there. If they ever do get it going ill be pleasantly surprised, but i will not hold my breath, like i was doing in that game today!!!!
Romo is the MAN, bad game and still made enough plays to get the job done!

You gotta be bs'ing???

KTAL is carrying the Saints and Dallas game? :mad:

I logged in to see if KTAL went live with HD before I rotate my antenna to watch the Broncos game. Pissed now that I did.

I really didn't expect them to stick to their schedule. They have always been a fly-by-night operation.

But damn!!!! Everyone else has been HD for almost a year or more!!!!!

And to think they tried to extort Cox cable to carry their signal.

Is NBC in Monroe HD?

I wonder whoelse I could pick up from Bossier. Perhaps Longview???

I'm glad I'm not the only one that hates KTAL. I wonder what they've been telling their advertisers.

I wonder whoelse I could pick up from Bossier. Perhaps Longview???

NBC KETK-DT 22(56.1) from Tyler has a killer signal, but their transmitter is in Mt. Selman, between Tyler and Jacksonville. That's more or less 100 miles from your location in Bossier. KETK also has a nasty habit of "forgetting" to switch to HD, especially during the Sunday night games (weekend crew?).

After looking at the college bowl schedule last night, I found not one bowl game on NBC...THANK GOODNESS!!!! And, hopefully NBC's flex schedule won't select the Cowboys anymore after the Saints game. So, in all reality, we won't have to worry about having to watch much football on NBC after this weekend!! And, they sure don't have anything else to watch!! :cool:

Is NBC in Monroe HD?



They have an LMA with the owners of KTAL, and they were due to launch Nov. 24. Of course, the date was missed, so now the new one is around mid-December. :rolleyes:

Here is their predicted coverage area once they go full power.. since the tower is east of El Dorado, that signal will have a pretty difficult time making it in to Bossier Parish :(

http://i14.tinypic.com/33z9yjp.gif

NBC KETK-DT 22(56.1) from Tyler has a killer signal, but their transmitter is in Mt. Selman, between Tyler and Jacksonville. That's more or less 100 miles from your location in Bossier. KETK also has a nasty habit of "forgetting" to switch to HD, especially during the Sunday night games (weekend crew?).I tried to pull them in earlier today and couldn't get any bars.


Going to give it a try tonight. Maybe I'll get a little atmospheric bounce.

Still nothing to report on my HD quality from Texarkana...since I didn't get my antenna installed today. After suggesting Audio Video Concepts to everyone, I take it back. I would advise everyone to stay away from Audio Video Concepts for their antenna installations. They stood me up on my install today. I had a 2:00pm appointment...the installer finally called at 3:30 saying they were running late and would be here soon. I called the installer back at 4:45 saying it was getting dark and asked if they were still coming...he said yes. I called back at 5:30...and they said they were on their way. I called the office at 6:30, when I could no longer get in touch with the installer's cell phone. The office said that he'd just called and reported he was on his way to my house...but, that she'd call him and call me right back to let me know...still no word at 7:15. So, I give up...after taking the afternoon off from work to have this done. I will begin looking for someone else tomorrow. Needless to say, I am very upset with these people.

Mickey

APOLOGIES FROM THE GENERAL MANAGER

To KTAL viewers,

This is ONE note I hoped I’d never have to write! I have

been informed by the engineering department that they

have encountered yet another unavoidable delay in the

completion of our conversion to full power HD. You will

remember that I told you it would happen by December

1; well, now we’re hopeful that it might be our Christmas

present to our viewers and, if not, perhaps you can ring

in the new year by watching the ball drop in HD. That’s

our hope, and again we want to tell you how much we

appreciate your patience and to assure you that our

disappointment is greater than yours!

Scott Thomas
VP/GM KTAL-TV

APOLOGIES FROM THE GENERAL MANAGER

To KTAL viewers,

"This is ONE note I hoped I’d never have to write! I have

been informed by the engineering department that they

have encountered yet another unavoidable delay in the

completion of our conversion to full power HD. You will

remember that I told you it would happen by December

1; well, now we’re hopeful that it might be our Christmas

present to our viewers and, if not, perhaps you can ring

in the new year by watching the ball drop in HD. That’s

our hope, and again we want to tell you how much we

appreciate your patience and to assure you that our

disappointment is greater than yours!

Scott Thomas
VP/GM KTAL-TV "


ONLY BALL-DROPPING I SEE IS KTAL!!!
They should be forced by the NFL to allow KMSS to carry this in Shreveport DMA
Of course me & my brother will be at Texas Stadium!!!
Being there-only thing better than HD!

Hey Windham, I'll be there myself...can't get it in HD, might as well go!! And, personally, I think watching in HD is even better than being there. Sometimes I feel like I'm in the huddle with them in HD!! I'll be up in the Miller-Lite luxury suite, about the 45 yd line...probably whooping it up and blitzed before the game even starts!!

Mickey

And, personally, I think watching in HD is even better than being there.



I totally agree with you... maybe it's just because the HD cameras are more clear than our eyes...lol...

The first 2 playoff games (sat. Jan 6) are on NBC,,,,,,

All,

Yesterday I blasted Audio Video Concepts in Texarkana for standing me up on my antenna install. However, they showed up last night about the time I got off work and installed my antenna. They did an excellent job, and my reception is perfect. They were also about $55 cheaper than another quote I got for the installation...which kind of alleviated my being upset with them from the night before. ;-) Anyway, Bradie Brackman did the install...the Channel Master 4228 antenna is on a 20' pole, with a Channel Master 7775 UHF-only pre-amp. I am getting a signal strength of between 88-93 on the Shreveport stations...except KTAL of course. And, I live in the Sugar Hill area of Texarkana, at the bottom of a hill!! The picture quality and digital sound are even better than through my HD programming with Dish Networks. The only problems I see are associated with the local programming, as most commercials, and even the news is still an analog broadcast. But, even though they're very busy, I would recommend Audio Video Concepts to install your antenna, if you're in the Texarkana area. The other places are busy as well, and cost more. I did explain to them that I thought it was unprofessional to not even call me the night before. However, they said they were having cell phone problems, and were tied up on another job...which I understand.

Mickey Morris

I guess miracles do happen!!!!! I flipped it on 15-01 and guess whats on? 30 rock in Hd. No DD5.1 but definitely HD. I can only pick it up at about 61% signal strength.

Yeah, it's starting to look promising. I heard they were still operating with their old 1500 watt transmitter almost 200 feet from the top of their Vivian tower. So, maybe we're on our way to getting KTAL in HD. Maybe in time for the Saints vs Cowboys???? Yeah, sure!!! Since I'll be at the game, I think I'll setup my DVR to record it on analog and HD, just in case. ;-)

I guess miracles do happen!!!!! I flipped it on 15-01 and guess whats on? 30 rock in Hd. No DD5.1 but definitely HD. I can only pick it up at about 61% signal strength.Full Widescreen HD on KTAL. Is that what you just said?

BTW, I had no luck picking up the NBC station out of Tyler.

Yep!!! I recorded Jay Leno last night just to make sure.

I live in Texarkana, Texas and receive the Shreveport HD channels through CableOne. Except for KTAL of course, even though they do have a channel number for the eventual HD broadcast already assigned. I've been very upset that all the SNF games have not been in HD, and was really upset when I heard they moved the Cowboys/Saints game to this Sunday night.

BUT, last night I tuned into channel 6 on a standard TV and noticed the image was stretched. I thought to myself, "Hey, I think they're attempting to broadcast HD!". So I tuned into Jay Leno with our HD tuner and low and behold, it was in full, glorious HD. I couldn't believe it! It's funny that they're sending the HD broadcast through the standard broadcast as well, stretching the 4:3 content (news, commercials) to fill the 16:9 frame, and on the standard broadcast you could actually see the right side of the letter D of the HD logo on the left side of the screen. There must be some pressure to get it working for the game Sunday night. I was wondering why they couldn't just send the HD broadcast through cable even if they didn't have the tower at full power, but obviously they are doing it now.

We usually have some friends over to watch primetime Cowboys games on our 120" front projection HD screen, but I sure would hate to invite people over and KTAL screw up between now and then and it not be in HD. Standard 4:3 broadcasts look absolutely horrible on a big projection screen. By the way, the Cowboys do have another game on NBC this year, on Christmas day against the Eagles.

I saw in the guide last night that KTAL 6 and KTAL 6-1 had different guide info(6 was showing the names but 6-1 was showing Event 24 or something similar) and i thought maybe...but i didn't bother to check, after all it is KTAL.....LOL
If they can get it working GREAT, and THANK YOU KTAL. Just have to hope that whatever they have rigged up doesn't quit till Monday.:-)

Hey Scorpiq, glad to see another Texarkana person on here. Standard 4:3 broadcasts look absolutely horrible on a 50" plasma too!! That's why I put up a UHF antenna, to get the local channels in HD. I didn't want to go back to cable, because I get about 30 HD channels with Dish...but not the locals, and right now they have no timeline on when they'll offer the Shreveport locals in HD.

I actually talked to Jay Butler at a party the other night and asked him why they didn't upgrade their HD cable box to one that will accept HDMI connections. With Dish, I can go component or HDMI...and there's no comparison between the two. The digital HD of an HDMI connection is definitely superior for video, but I think the biggest difference is in the audio, with a surround sound system. Anyway, Jay didn't know what I was talking about...so looks like Cable One may continue using yesterday's technology for a while. I was actually thinking about going back to cable, just to get the locals in HD...until I researched their box. And, after installing an antenna to pull the locals, I'm definitely glad I didn't go back to cable now.

Hey, maybe KTAL will have it completed before the game Sunday night...or at least before the game on Christmas day.

I've actually been following this thread since it started 3 years ago when I first learned that you could receive broadcast HDTV over the air. There haven't been many people from Texarkana that have posted here, so I had no idea if you could even receive them here or not. I didn't own an HDTV and I didn't want to invest time and money until I KNEW I would have some HD content to watch. (I just bought an HD-DVD player so now there's plenty of content.)

Well, about two years ago, I just happened to be looking at CableOne's website and it had a section for HDTV. I was very excited to know I could now receive HD channels through cable without having to set up an antenna. So I bought the projector and screen, signed up for the HD/digital package and was good to go. I think at that time there were only a couple of local channels in HD, ABC and CBS. I was so glad FOX started broadcasting HD before this football season, I had to watch most 'Boys games last year in standard def.

That first cable receiver was horrible, though. It would not record programs we had set, it would lock up and it had to be rebooted frequently, fast-forward and rewind did not work hardly at all, etc. Well, earlier this year I learned they had a dual tuner HD receiver. So we exchanged our old one for this new one. It is a MUCH better receiver, we've had virtually no problems with it, and the dual tuner is awesome. It does have an optical out so we are able to get 5.1 surround sound as well.

Holy shitski. I am watching Wheel of Fortune in HD on KTAL!!!! Although it is kind of a soft picture. Some tweaking is needed. Let's hope it holds for the game.

Go Saints!!!!

Damn, now I need a new antenna. :rolleyes: I currently have a long range channel master w/rotator and amp compliments of VOOM!

I have always had to rotate to get KTAL but I lose Fox, ABC, CBS, and PBS when I do that.

What are guys in S'port/Bossier using that doesn't require re-aiming to be able to pick up all 5 stations?

Kudos KTAL!!! Well conditional kudos providing it is up and working Sunday! :p Hopefully the weekend crew will get the switching right. :p On edit, there hasn't been any switching. They are zooming the 4:3 to make 16:9 as opposed to stretching or switching to 4:3. Great idea in the testing phase.

What are guys in S'port/Bossier using that doesn't require re-aiming to be able to pick up all 5 stations?



Ron, I am using a ChannelMaster 4-bay bowtie antenna from Solid Signal

http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?main_cat=03&CAT=&PROD=ANC3021

...and an amplifier.

I have not tuned KTAL lately, I'll try in a while.

I have a 4 bay bowtie and a 4228, not sure which one i have connected now but both pull in everything fine in South Bossier.

Thanks for the bowtie suggestion. I have heard good things about them. Just wish I could find it locally in case a return is needed.

I actually found a sweet spot tonight. But it is backasswards with the arrowhead pointing 180 degrees away from the tower. But as I recall I found this a long time ago and it only works at night.

Either way I emailed kudos to KTAL.

Here are the relevant email addresses if you feel inclined to send thanks.

sthomas@ktalnews.tv;jbyrd@ktalnews.tv;ksouthern@ktalnews.tv

ksouthern is the chief engineer and the only one that counts after they get the funding from management. LOL

One of the other two is the manager.

I'm still not sure what KTAL is doing. The analog signal seems to be simulating a 16:9 picture somewhat....but even with a partial zoom setting on my 50" plasma, it still doesn't fill the screen. I can't even stretch it or zoom it to fill the screen. And, last night while watching Jay Leno, it had the NBC HD icon on the screen, but was definitely not in HD. I can't see what you guys are talking about on the KTAL HD channel, 06-01, as I'm still only getting about 50-56 signal strength from Texarkana.

I can't see them getting this fixed before game-time tomorrow night, so I sure am glad I'll be there...as KTAL is worse than ever now!!!!

GO COWBOYS!!!!!!!!!!!

The following is from an email I recieved from Robert Brown, of the Texarkana HD Users Group:

"KTAL-DT-15 is now broadcasting in 1080i and, when available from NBC, in HD.

However, there are some issues:

1. They are still using the "temporary digital channel antenna" they've been using for some time, awaiting the topping off of the new antenna and, with the new antenna, full power.

2. Some of us cannot receive the digital programming OverTheAir any longer because, since KTAL cut their system to 1080i yesterday, we've lost that capability, which was working well before their cutover.

In the past, with other local stations (KETG-DT-13-Arkadelphia and KSLA-DT-17-Shreveport), this symptom has always been the result of a setting at the station which, while within the "correct settings" choices, did not permit certain digital TV tuners to receive the signal successfully. KTAL does not yet recognize this as their problem. I suppose we will have to wait until they do. Both KETG and KSLA fingerpointed on this and loudly claimed it was a consumer problem until their corporate management sent someone out to fix it, which solved the problem. In both instances, CableOne was experiencing the same problem (no sound when in HD on KETG and no picture at all on KSLA) so it added a little clout to the protest.

3. Now remember, the digital signal is ALWAYS 1080i, whether or not the transmitted picture is 16x9 or 4x3. Also, it is my understanding that the analog (6) and digital (15) channels are both derived from the same data stream from the station and from NBC. Furthermore, many of the local cable companies are using the KTAL digital signal as their "master" source for both the KTAL analog and KTAL digital cable channels they send to customers over their cable network. For instance, up here in Texarkana, CableOne uses KTAL-DT-15 as the source for both their analog 6 and digital 465 channels provided to subscribers. Therefore, as of this writing, some viewers are not receiving the correct 16x9 screen on their HD sets or the full 4x3 screen on their 4x3 analog sets. This is because KTAL has chosen to use a non-standard aspect ratio, 14x9, which is a "compromise" recommended by their corporate engineers, which they hope will tone down complaints form 4x3 viewers who don't want gray bars on the sides of the screen. All other local stations which have earlier adopted a similar policy have changed back to the standard 16x9. No consumer who knows what's going on wants a distorted "zoomed" picture. I think if they figure out how to provide the 4x3 aspect ratio (cropped) picture to the analog broadcast without fiddling with the 16x9 aspect ratio for the digital broadcast (whether the program is 16x9 or 4x3 on the digital broadcast), most people would be happy, as they are on other channels."

Just switched to KTAL and its in HD, looks good!!! OTA working right, hopefully it will hold up for the game tomorrow night. GO COWBOYS!

You gotta be bs'ing???

KTAL is carrying the Saints and Dallas game? :mad:

I logged in to see if KTAL went live with HD before I rotate my antenna to watch the Broncos game. Pissed now that I did.

I really didn't expect them to stick to their schedule. They have always been a fly-by-night operation.

But damn!!!! Everyone else has been HD for almost a year or more!!!!!

And to think they tried to extort Cox cable to carry their signal.

Is NBC in Monroe HD?

I wonder whoelse I could pick up from Bossier. Perhaps Longview???

I can't wait for this game... NBC always has the feeds up on KU band at 35mbps in full HD and no commercials....100% stadium sound without the idiot sportcasters.

I am curious as I switch to the new world of HDTV. I live in North Bossier City. I have Direct TV and I pay for Suddenlink (use their internet and did not want all the direct tv boxes at all of my sets). How has direct tv and Suddenlink been with Shreveport locals in HD. Which one would you choose? How compressed are the locals on suddenlink and direct tv. I stopped at Ivan Smith furniture on Pines Road and they were using a off air antenna, which was great to see. I assume since I am am 14 miles from (KTBS,KSLA,etc) and 28 miles from KTAL that I could mount a small antenna in my attic and get a great picture
thanks for everyone's help and views !!!! Steve

I use DirecTV. You can get locals from satellite, but not HDTV or Digital channels. For those, you must use an antenna. I'm in north bossier and I use a 4-bay bow tie from channel master. I get most everything well without having to rotate the antenna - ever. When KMSS-Fox was broadcasting from their studio, I needed a second antenna pointed at Independence Stadium. Now I just point toward Vivian and it's all good.

Shreveport will probably get HD locals via satellite when the last bird is launched in a year or two.

Do you believe it will be possible to pick up the KTAL game tonight in HD using an indoor antenna? If so, what antenna do you recommend and where can it be purchased in Shreveport? Thanks! :)

Since KTAL is not yet full power, the odds of picking them up using an indoor antenna are somewhat low. You can try, but I wouldn't waste a lot of time at that effort.

This is my first post been looking around and havenot found an answer to my question. I just got a HDTV I can get the digital signals of 3,6,12,33,45. I'm in Atlanta Texas. On 12 and now 6 the picture is squeezed into the left quarter of the screen the rest of the screen is green the other stations are fine. Any Ideals??

Sounds like it may be in your tv or tuner setup. Right not, 12 is not High Def, but I think that may be a lack of HD on the network level. The game they are showing is not listed as HD in the guide. Still, it fills the 4:3 frame area on my screen...

Well it's good to see KTAL finallt getting something done :) I think KARK in Little Rock broadcasted HD when they were still operating on STA power. At least they are trying to please viewers!

Ready to Go:

I'm getting a good lock on 6.1 using my DirecTV tuner at 6.1 and 80% signal strength. It's not formatted properly andm at this hour, not in HD, but they're trying.

You might be able to pick it up.

Well it appears they just went HD for the pre-game.

Go Saints!!!!!!!

Hot Damn! KTAL is broadcasting H D T V !

Pic looks good, but stretched,logo off the bottom left corner, maybe the game wont be stretched.

They briefly had the format correct, but then zoomed it and have yet to correct it.

I live in South Bossier and pick up the locals with a Zenith Silver Sensor. It is an indoor antenna, and works great. I have Dish Network and pick up KTAL at about 60%. All of the other stations in the 80-97% range with KMSS being the highest signal. Looks like they fixed the formatting issue on KTAL. They are showing sidebars and 4:3 on the highlights. Can't wait til gametime.

yep its lookin right now, and ill say it again, thanks KTAL. Maybe we have finally seen the last SD Cowboys game!!

Just an FYI, to most of you that have DishNetwork w/ a Dish1000 setup. With no HD NBC network on Cox cable or even an OTA signal in New Orleans I know several people that have simply changed their service address to Atlanta and are watching all of their HD networks with no issues. To be fair I would watch the HD networks that you can OTA, but the ones aren't provided to you in HD I would get them off of satellite.

Hell Yeah!!! 21-7 Saints. Halftime!

BTW, the opening was awesome. Gwen Stephani is HOT!!!!! Hotter in HD!!

Burgranger, I live in South Shreveport and have the Siliver Sensor antenna as well. What station do you tune your tuner to to pick up the HD signal?

Thanks
Chad

If you are talking about pulling in KTAL channel 6 NBC, the frequency assignment is 15. Add that. The channel will show up as 6-01

Hell Yeah!!! 21-7 Saints. Halftime!

BTW, the opening was awesome. Gwen Stephani is HOT!!!!! Hotter in HD!!

Awesome game so far... I'm glued! Watching/glancing at the little christmas halftime show now.

Awesome game so far... I'm glued! Watching/glancing at the little christmas halftime show now.Well it is half-time and I am feeling no pain.

Guess I gotta call in sick tomorrow!!! :eek: :D

If you are talking about pulling in KTAL channel 6 NBC, the frequency assignment is 15. Add that. The channel will show up as 6-01

I am using the antenna hooked directly to the hdtv. What station do I try to tune in to get the HD signal?

This is my first time trying to get OTA HD singals.

Chad

You have to go into the menu of the TV where you set up HD channels and add frequency assignment 15.

Or just do a re-scan and let it pick up everything it can get.

AND your HD TV has to have a built in tuner to do that.

You have to go into the menu of the TV where you set up HD channels and add frequency assignment 15.

Or just do a re-scan and let it pick up everything it can get.

AND your HD TV has to have a built in tuner to do that.


Yeah, it has a built in tuner. I was able to manually tune in 3.1 and a few others but I didn't know what I was suppose to do for ktal. I tried 6.1 earlier but got no signal. I might have to pull out the manual.

Thanks

Hell Yeah!!! 21-7 Saints. Halftime!

BTW, the opening was awesome. Gwen Stephani is HOT!!!!! Hotter in HD!!Oppps. I think it was not Stephani, but it was Pink. Hot blond with big tits in HD. What's the difference? :D

BTW 28-10! Saints!!!!

Go Reggie, Go Reggie. It's your birfday. It's your birfday!!!!

Yeah, it has a built in tuner. I was able to manually tune in 3.1 and a few others but I didn't know what I was suppose to do for ktal. I tried 6.1 earlier but got no signal. I might have to pull out the manual.

ThanksWhen all else fails, RTFM!!! :p

When all else fails, RTFM!!! :p
Yeah, no doubt....GO KARNEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

42-17 bizznitches. Saints :D

Man the refs are doing what they can to give Dallas a break.


Go Brees!!!!!!!

ROTFLMAO at the 3rd quarter... crawling to the touch down....all the flags at the last play and yet the Saints intercept it! AWESOME!!!

ROTFLMAO at the 3rd quarter... crawling to the touch down....all the flags at the last play and yet the Saints intercept it! AWESOME!!!

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hey guys,
i live in monroe, la.. and just wondering what other ppl from monroe is getting thru ota... i can pick up cbs and cw with no problems but that is about it.. wondering if anyone is getting abc nbc or fox... and what antenna they are using.. thx ahead..

Is it operating at full strength? I live in SE S'port and I am getting 31% max while I get 92% on all other HD Channels. Is the tower loacted the same as KTBS,KSLA, KMSS?









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I dont think KTAL will be full power til the first of the year, currently they are doing HD, but they are still operating at a miserly power level. Their tower is in Vivian, close to the AR state line... you should be able to get them with a good antenna, what kind do you have?

hey guys,
i live in monroe, la.. and just wondering what other ppl from monroe is getting thru ota... i can pick up cbs and cw with no problems but that is about it.. wondering if anyone is getting abc nbc or fox... and what antenna they are using.. thx ahead..

In Monroe, KNOE, KLTM (PBS) and KARD (SD) is all you will get reliably... there were a couple people on here that had success with KTBS (SHV), KALB (NBC Alexandria) and couple of the Jackson digitals, but that was in the evening. KTVE is suppose to go full power in the next couple weeks, you may want to go to their website www.region10.com, they have an HD forum up for the Ark-La-Miss, and they have a alot of people on there from Monroe. The chief engineer also posts frequent updates on the status of KTVE-HD.

I have 7 foot yagi UHF

thanks keith... im picking up cbs and cw.. thats with a coaxial.. not even a indoor antenna... looking to get a indoor one.. bc i cant get a outside one... any suggestions? i heard zenith silver sensor works great.. thats' what im thinking of getting... to hopefully catch kard..

The Silver Sensor is well regarded, but I've had better luck with a good quality RCA rabbit ears w/UHF loop, in Jackson at least. An also the Silver Sensor doesn't do well at all on VHF... WLBT (NBC) is on VHF 9 here, and I could *barely* get a lock on them with it, and I was on the third floor! You can always try it since it's really only 25 bucks and if it doesn't work you could return it, or get both the silver sensor and a RCA rabbit ears like the ones at Wal-mart.. whatever you do, don't get electrified rabbit ears... the coax cable will probably work better than those. You should also get KARD with either type of those antennas. Good luck!

keith do you have a link to one of those rabbit ear ant? not quite sure what it looks like.. thx

http://www.bybb.com/product_info.php?products_id=22996

This model worked very well for me, I tried looking for another at Walmart about a month ago, but all they had were those crappy electrified ones, and some Phillips ones...I ended up getting a Phillips, but it's really not the best performer... I use that one for the bedroom tv, and I'm lucky that I get everything but FOX. Since that RCA ANT145 is on bybb.com, maybe you can go to Basic/Best Buy in Monroe and pick one up... the only thing I don't like are the tuning knobs, but it's difficult to find an indoor antenna without those things...you just have to mess with it til it's tuned on the right knob... Hope it works out for you!

thx keith.. ill try this one first if doesnt work out ill order the zenith silvers

thx again

Hey no problem gstylez..good luck with them...you might need a small outdoor antenna for KTVE when they go full power, since their tower is about 37 miles from Monroe, but you won't know til that happens. If you need something a little stronger, an outdoor antenna indoors near a window will probably do the trick... I have a Channel Master 4228 on my living room floor for my main tv, and it works very well picking up all the channels in Jackson, and occasionally even one from Meridian! It's a UHF antenna, but it does very well pricking up high VHF, and the 4228 is only 45 bucks at www.warrenelectronics.com. You migh want to look in to that, as well.

Hey Keith, you are definitely a serious HD enthusiast...a Channel Master 4228 on your living room floor?? :eek: I bet your wife loves that!! My wife doesn't like the looks of mine on a 20' mast behind the house...wish I'd thought to tell her I'm putting it in the den!!! :D I love it!!

BTW...I'm getting oustanding reception from all the Shreveport stations, except KTAL of course, with my OTA antenna. I just hope KTAL is full power by Christmas, or I'm watching the 'Boys in analog again!! Sounds like the guys in the Shreveport/Bossier area are getting good HD reception from the low wattage temporary HD antenna KTAL is using. But, can't reach it this far north. And, as of last night, they're analog channel 6 is still broadcasting in 14:9 format. They said this was a compromise recommended by their corporate engineers to keep the 4:3 folks happy. Oh well...someday!!!!

hey mick, i live in blevins ar and have a cm4228 on the way , i have an old antenna up right now and can get channel 3.1 , i was wondering if you can pick up fox in hd where your at. i am on dish and fox 33 sucks on standard def.i'm also hoping to pickup cbs in hd for the super bowl . i think i just need to move my antenna a little to pick it up though.

hey mick, i live in blevins ar and have a cm4228 on the way , i have an old antenna up right now and can get channel 3.1 , i was wondering if you can pick up fox in hd where your at. i am on dish and fox 33 sucks on standard def.i'm also hoping to pickup cbs in hd for the super bowl . i think i just need to move my antenna a little to pick it up though.

Get your Hd networks off of DishNetwork until your local OTAs can provide HD signals to you.

Hey Mick,

Well it probably helps that I don't have a wife and won't have one for a couple more years! :D After that, though, well I'll be in trouble... and I have the 4228 hiding behind some curtains, so no one notices it..lol.

mobetta,

How strong of a signal are you getting from KTBS? You're a few miles outside theie coverage area, so you're doing very good locking 3.1 in! KSLA only reaches just a little north of Texarkana, so that will be more of a problem. KMSS, KTBS, and KPXJ are your most likely targets from northern Hempstead county. You might have some luck getting KTHV-DT (CBS in Little Rock) as their signal reaches pretty close to you. Since they are on CH 12 digitally, you may have some interference from KSLA analog. But when you get your 4228 installed, try aiming it toward LR, because you're close enough that you may be surprised..especially when the 4228 comes in to play.

keith, with the old antenna sometimes channel 3.1 is around 75 sig. strength. i'm pretty sure i can do better if i move my pole and with the cm4228 and pre-amp. i was surprised that i picked it up,spending all this money and not sure if you can pick anything up- just taking a chance!thanks for the info

You guys that have the 4228, where did you get them?

I got mine from Solid Signal.

Hey Mobetta,

Yes, I get FOX in HD!! I get about a 92-93 signal with the 4228 and 7775 pre-amp on a 20' mast. And, you're absolutely right, FOX with Dish was by-far the worst station we had. I used to get so frustrated trying to watch the Cowboys on FOX. But, at least that was all I ever watched on FOX. Now, FOX and CBS are my best channels. ABC is close, but not quite as good...and I still don't even want to talk about NBC (KSLA)!!! LOL!!!

Ronald_Jeremy, check out warrenelectronics.com for the 4228. About $46 and I got it about 4 days after I ordered it.

Keith, I kinda figured you didn't have a wife. LOL!!!! You should've heard my wife when I told her you had your 4228 in your living room...and then said I think I'll bring ours into the den so I can turn it when I need to with no problems!!!! :rolleyes:

keith, with the old antenna sometimes channel 3.1 is around 75 sig. strength. i'm pretty sure i can do better if i move my pole and with the cm4228 and pre-amp. i was surprised that i picked it up,spending all this money and not sure if you can pick anything up- just taking a chance!thanks for the info

You know, since you are having good luck with 3.1, you might want to try for KPXJ (CH 21), especially when you get the 4228 and the preamp. From El Dorado, KMSS-DT was actually the strongest signal I got from SHV... and I really didn't have much luck with anything until I installed the 4228. I had mine at around 25 feet, but my house was in a low spot. That's the bad thing about OTA reception, it's either very pleasing or very disappointing :(

Keith, I kinda figured you didn't have a wife. LOL!!!! You should've heard my wife when I told her you had your 4228 in your living room...and then said I think I'll bring ours into the den so I can turn it when I need to with no problems!!!! :rolleyes:


Well I tried to actually hang it on the living room wall...I needed some wall decor...lol.. but my signals are a lot better with it on the floor which was a surprise. I also thought about getting a small VHF/UHF combo and hanging it from my ceiling! But I thought that would look a little too strange to company :eek: At least with the 4228 on the floor, it's hidden behind some curtains :)

keith & mick

i got my cm 4228 hooked up today , i'm getting abc,cbs,fox and cw at fairly good signal's . avg of 70,but the way the weather is tonight it could be better when its clear.just in case anyone wants to know i live in blevins,ar if they are thinking of trying a ota antenna.these are the digital station's that do show hd pointed at shreveport.

keith & mick

i got my cm 4228 hooked up today , i'm getting abc,cbs,fox and cw at fairly good signal's . avg of 70,but the way the weather is tonight it could be better when its clear.just in case anyone wants to know i live in blevins,ar if they are thinking of trying a ota antenna.these are the digital station's that do show hd pointed at shreveport.Hey mobetta, your shift key is fubared or something. Your space key seems to also be intermittent. I think you need a new keyboard.

KTAL making HD progress!! I'm 70 miles from the xmitter, and can actually get the 15kw signal at night 30% of the time, in 60's. They go to 1mw and I should be 100% at any antenna orientation. Too bad KSLA only went for 166kw, when I aim WNW for KETK, KFXK, KYTX, I still pull KTBS, KPXJ, KMSS but KSLA often requires NNE pointing.

COWBOYS on NFL network tonight. Going to a friend's.

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KTAL sure wasn't HD last night that game looked like crap. Maybe they will get all this lined up before the weekend, come on KTAL!!!

Hey Mobetta, glad to hear you're bringing 'em in on that 4228. I wish I'd put mine up a long time ago. I actually believe the quality of OTA HD on FOX for football is better than the quality of ESPN and NFL Network on Dish's network.

IF KTAL would just join in, we'd be in there!! I just keep hoping they get it going by Christmas so we can watch the Cowboys in HD. I just can't believe the 'Boys will be on NBC 2 of 3 weeks...and the other week on NFL Network!!

Has anybody heard any updates at all from KTAL??? Their website still shows that old notice that it wouldn't be up by the 1st of Dec. Come on KTAL!!!!!!!

Mick,

Thanks for the lead. Got my 4228 from Warrenelectronics yesterday and put it up this morning.

Great reception on everything. And by far they had the best price when factoring shipping into the total cost.

Antenna $46.51
Shipping $16.75 to anywhere in Continental US

Other places were equal or higher on the antenna and 2 to 3 times as high on shipping.

Here is the link for anyone else that wants it.

http://www.warrenelectronics.com/antennas/4228.htm


Wahooooooo. No more rotating.

I am pulling in KTAL low power in the mid 70's and everything else in the 90's.

Hey Ronald,

That sounds great man!! You're right...I looked just about everywhere and Warren Electronics was by-far the cheapest with everything...very reputable company as well. Actually KeithAR2002 sent me looking at them when I was shopping around...so thanks again Keith!!!!

Wish I were still living in the Shreveport/Bossier area. I assume you don't even need a pre-amp from there? Or, did you get one? I still can't pull in KTAL from Texarkana...and the "Boys are on NBC again Monday afternoon!!!! DANG IT!!!!

hey mick

do you have trouble picking up fox 33.1 at times?

Mobetta,

No, I never have any problems with FOX. However, my signal strength will sometimes go down from 92-93 to 82-83...which is what it is doing right now. And, since you're a little farther away in Blevins, and only getting a signal strength in the 70's, I would assume when mine goes down into the 80's, you may not have enough signal strength to pull it in.

Anybody else noticed FOX's signal strength fluctuating???

Mick

Yes I notice it fluctuate. Especially during the afternoon when I have a couple of recordings set up.

Oh, and I am using an amp.

Well it looky like no HD on KTAL for the Cowboys today. :(

I guess we can hope to see "the ball drop" in HD, like anyone cares about that crap or can tell the difference in HD and SD by Midnight on New Years Eve. Good job KTAL, hey next project you have make sure you are DONE by the end of October, thats when the winter weather sets in.

Yah. It was nice to see da Boys lose, but it would have been better in HD. :D

10 will get you 20 KTAL doesn't make it for the ball drop(Not that I will be watching it). I haven't seen any HD on the station since the game last week.

I live 5 miles south of Marion LA towards Farmerville. I have purchased a Channel master 4228 and its on the way. I held back on purchasing the 7777 pre-amp and rotor to see what I could pull in without pre-amp. My question is this; In the old analog days you had to have a "descent" picture before the amp would do any good.
Is this true with digital? Should I at least get a weak digital signal for a pre-amp to be helpful? I realize digital is not snowy; Its either there or its not but before I purchased a pre-amp and rotor I was trying to make sure I could receive "something" before I spent another 140 dollars. Channel 10 will not be a problem but I worry about Channel 8 digital signal out of Monroe. It is VHF and weak from what I understand. Should I go ahead and purchase the pre-amp or is what I am doing feasible? My antenna will be approx. 20-25 feet up. Do yall think Shreveport is feasible from here? I live approx 100 miles by highway from Shreveport.
I have a dishnetworK 622 HD DVR. I love HD but I want the OTA channels.
Thanks for all the help and pleae overlook my lack of knowledge about OTA. I am a Electronic Technician graduate but I have always worked at chemical plants and refinieries in south arkansas within that field. Plus I am 50 years old.HAHAHA Old school. :)

I hope it gets more active for my sake! I hope to be installing 4228 Sat. I will more than likely need some expert advice. :)

More HD problems in Shreveport - Bossier:

PBS stopped coming in on 24.5. I was pissed. I tried playing with my antenna (not THAT antenna...the one in the attic!) Then I re-scanned and it has been re-mapped to 25.3 (all of the PBS digitals re-mapped to 25.x.) I guess I need to call their engineer one of these days.

KTAL digital channel has gone dark for now. There was a brief time I was getting 100% signal strength but no picture. Now it just says "searching for signal."

I'm getting something at 44.1 and a green screen at 44.2

I noticed the PBS change last week, i also get a signal at 44.1 and 44.2. I was also receiving something at 70.2 that said KTAL but nothing there either.

HDTV is still a work in progress in Shreveport Bossier.

I just ordered a DirecTV HR-20 high def DVR. They are still in short supply but the price (for me) dropped from $300 to $200. They are telling me it will be a couple of weeks before they call to schedule the installation.

Well I feel ignored or maybe no one is interested or maybe its just the holidays! I have purchased a channel master spartan 3 model 3041 DSB from lowes for 30 bucks. I am still waiting on my 4228 but I took a yagi off the end of a old combo antenna mounted on a 20' telescopic pole and I am picking up digital Monroe and El Dorado Arkansas with no problem. Yesterday I picked up 3 shreveport channels with 60+ signal but today they are not coming in. This yagi is about 4 foot long and I have the 3041 pre amp on it. Will the 4228 channel master have a lot more gain than this old 10 year old yagi? Do you think shreveport is possible or was that just "skip" yesterday? Shreveport actually tries to come in at times times . Monroe is 30 miles away, Eldorado is 15 miles away in opposite directions but I pick up both easily without moving antenna. Shreveport is probably 70 miles max. Thoughts or suggestions are welcomed and needed fron you pros!!!!!!!!!! My zip code is 71260. Can someone give me the actual compass degree direction for marion to shreveport?
Thank you
Smackman

Smack,

Sounds like YOU are the pro! Go to:

http://antennaweb.org

Click on find an antenna, enter your address (leave off name, phone, email - not needed.) That will give you compass headings, distances, frequencies, a street-level map and you can select digital only or both.

I use a 4-bay bow tie in my attic and I get most of Shreveport channels okay but that's it.

YMMV.

snackman

The 4228 range is 60 miles. I don't get a huge boost with my amp. Perhaps 10%.

For the directions of where to aim go to www.antennaweb.org for your DMA.

As for South of Marion, LA to Mooringsport (where most Shreveport towers are) looks to be about 265 degrees on your compass.


I am sure there will be more gain on the 4228. You are about 100 miles from the Shreveport towers. That is going to be tough to get a consistent reliable signal with anything you use. You might get bounce occasionally depending on weather, but I wouldn't rely on the Shreveport stations.

On a side note, KTAL is still not back to HD. They have 4 hours to fix it to watch the ball drop.

I think we can give up on KTAL, till May maybe....but I will keep checking just in case they get it goin while there is still something worth watching on the channel(NFL).

More HD problems in Shreveport - Bossier:

PBS stopped coming in on 24.5. I was pissed. I tried playing with my antenna (not THAT antenna...the one in the attic!) Then I re-scanned and it has been re-mapped to 25.3 (all of the PBS digitals re-mapped to 25.x.) I guess I need to call their engineer one of these days.

KTAL digital channel has gone dark for now. There was a brief time I was getting 100% signal strength but no picture. Now it just says "searching for signal."

I'm getting something at 44.1 and a green screen at 44.2

I'm still getting 24.5. Oh, BTW I finally got an HD capable set (50"Sony SXRD). I've been around lurking for a long time. I may do a rescan just to see what comes in. I also get the green screen on 44.1. I'm looking forward to hanging around lurking more and posting a little as well.

I just did a re-scan because I still can't pick up 44.1.

Interesting things happened.

12.3 showed up. It is called WEAT. It is their version of 3.2. Weather radar.

And KTAL-D showed up on 70-2. Get a 76 on signal strength but black screen. I still get 6.1 with a picture though. 70-2 must just be for testing. Or they have their heads up their........... :p

PBS rescanned and is still under the 24 channel but no picture on any PBS channel.

This is on a VIP622 tuner from Dish.

I need to hook up an antenna to the LCD in my bedroom and scan to see what it picks up. I just haven't gotten around to it.

The antenna website does not show shreveport as possibility from Marion so it does not give the compass coordinates. It also does not show me to pickup digital channel 7 out of monroe at my address but it booms in at 80+ with this yagi. Here is whats weird; I realize that the monroe digital station is VHF but when i point this yagi northwest instead of southeast towards monroe I get a stronger signal off the back side of this uhf yagi! What goes here? The signal difference is 82 compared to 74 on my dish 622 HD receiver. The only stations I pickup right now is digital PBS out of el dorado (tower in huttig 15 miles away max) and digital 8 out of Monroe. Both of them are fine. I will get NBC easily when they go live. I still hope to pickup shreveport with 4228; just hoping. I got shreveport strong the first time I hooked up my OTA; must have been tropo. day. How accurate is that tropo site because it shows wednesday as a marginal day. This is Sugar bowl day and I would love to get 33 out of Shreveport in HDTV. Oh well, my 4228 will be up by then so we will see.
Smackman

The antenna website does not show shreveport as possibility from Marion so it does not give the compass coordinates.

On the address entry page, under options, enter 100 feet for your antenna height. This actually gives a more accurate representation of what you can receive. If you still don't see any Shreveport stations, try 1000 feet.

It also does not show me to pickup digital channel 7 out of monroe at my address but it booms in at 80+ with this yagi. Here is whats weird; I realize that the monroe digital station is VHF but when i point this yagi northwest instead of southeast towards monroe I get a stronger signal off the back side of this uhf yagi! What goes here?

It's possible that the reflector elements of the yagi are acting as radiating elements at VHF frequencies. This is not uncommon, especially with 8-bay antennas like the 4228. The 4228 will receive VHF-high very well out the back side, as the screen radiates at VHF frequencies. Both sides of the screen have to electrically tied together for this to work.

Has anyone tried the Antennas Direct DB8? It boasts a 100 degree angle of reception as compared with the 11 degrees of the 4228. I'm struggling with getting all of my digital channels to come in. I can get 3, 12, 33, 24 but not 6.1. I'm debating switching from the lowly 4-bay.

Where in Bossier are you?

Try rotating the antenna a little to the right to pull in 6.1. I get it. Well, now that I check, 6.1 is gone!! LOL.

But I have consistently gotten it since installing the 4228 until today.

I would wait before replacing the antenna either way. KTAL is low power right now. Once they get their shiite together, they will be full power in digital which should happen any time now.

I'm guessing you Texarkana guys are having to use amplified external antennas on poles eh?

I'm over in Nash in a valley area, in a duplex. I don't think they'd like me throwing a big UHF antenna on the roof...

My grandfather used to be a radio operator and had a 100ft. antenna with a license. It's in pieces in a warehouse right now but if I move into a house at some point may get it to max legal height.

Any of you using Dish HD and what local HD (if any) can you pull from it? I have the Bronze package now, but don't subscribe to locals.

Where in Bossier are you?



Greenacres Place. Antennaweb says 299 degrees for most channels, 321 for 6.1 That's virtually no difference, but I rotated it a little to the right to hit 320. I still get everything else but not 6.1. I see that you aren't getting it either right now and I really should wait for full power to spend $111 on the DB8.

I'm guessing you Texarkana guys are having to use amplified external antennas on poles eh?

I'm over in Nash in a valley area, in a duplex. I don't think they'd like me throwing a big UHF antenna on the roof...

My grandfather used to be a radio operator and had a 100ft. antenna with a license. It's in pieces in a warehouse right now but if I move into a house at some point may get it to max legal height.

Any of you using Dish HD and what local HD (if any) can you pull from it? I have the Bronze package now, but don't subscribe to locals.

Bruno,

I live in the Sugar Hill area of Texarkana, on the Arkansas side...at the bottom of a hill. Yes, I am using an amplified antenna on an external mast. My antenna is a Channel Master 4228, with a Channel Master 7775 pre-amp, on a 20' mast. I got Bradie Brackman at Audio Video Concepts to install it. I was thinking I'd probably need to put mine on a 30' mast...but Bradie and I decided to try it at 20' first, just to see what I could pick up. We installed the mast on the north side of my house, which is the back, and have it pointing at 173-degrees...and, at 20' it really doesn't even clear the center of my house. I would check with them and see what Bradie tells you, because he told me he put a CM4228 in someone's attic in my area, and they were pulling in the Shreveport stations through the attic.

I have a Dish ViP622 receiver, and I'm getting an 88-92 signal strength on all Shreveport stations (except KTAL of course) at night, but I'm only getting a 78-84 signal strength in the daytime. However, that has been plenty as I got to watch all the games this past weekend in HD...except the Sunday night game on NBC (KTAL). You said you didn't subscribe to locals...you don't need them if you put up an antenna to pull in the HD feeds from Shreveport. And, as soon as KTAL comes on line, I'll be stopping my subcription for the locals from Dish as well.

Bad part is that if you cancel your locals, you won't have any guide data for your HD locals. That makes it kind of tough to schedule recordings.

Steve, you should be able to pick it up fine once it comes back. I am still getting no signal on KTAL. They acknowledged it is down and can't tell when it will be back up.

How high is your antenna? Mine is probably 20 feet up.

Hey Ronald, good point about the guide data on the locals...I didn't think about that. So, what you're saying is, for example, 3.1 is showing the guide data for the SD Ch 3 local from the Dish local programming guide...and if I got rid of it, nothing would show in the 3.1 guide data. It would just show something similar to "local HD programming" or something like that, as it does for 3.2 and 3.3.

Hey Ronald, good point about the guide data on the locals...I didn't think about that. So, what you're saying is, for example, 3.1 is showing the guide data for the SD Ch 3 local from the Dish local programming guide...and if I got rid of it, nothing would show in the 3.1 guide data. It would just show something similar to "local HD programming" or something like that, as it does for 3.2 and 3.3.

Yep...

There are other alternatives. If you have a Dish1000 with 129W locked in just "move" to Chicago or Atlanta and watch those HD locals too.

If you are in a local market that has local channels you cannot get atlanta or chicago etc. HD. You must subscribe to your local market with dish networl whether they are broadcasting in HD or SD. If I am wrong and I hope I am please show me the light and tell me how to get these network affiliates broadcasting in HD. I do have a HD 622 receiver looking at 110,119, and 129. My local market is Monroe, el dorado and there is NO HD locals on dish at this time.

If you are in a local market that has local channels you cannot get atlanta or chicago etc. HD. You must subscribe to your local market with dish networl whether they are broadcasting in HD or SD. If I am wrong and I hope I am please show me the light and tell me how to get these network affiliates broadcasting in HD. I do have a HD 622 receiver looking at 110,119, and 129. My local market is Monroe, el dorado and there is NO HD locals on dish at this time.

Never say never... Take the New Orleans area for example. No NBC-HD is available even OTA or Cox Cable. It's called "moving". Simply move your service address to Chicago and you'll have the locals in HD from 129W from Chicago. Your billing address stays the same. All it takes it a quick 10 minute phone call, depending on hold times. Now to be fair I would watch the local HD's that are provided to you OTA, but the ones that are missing I would watch them from the satellite.

When you have no other choice you do what you gotta do....

Re-read his post smackman. He said "move" to Chicago. ;)

Mick, you are correct.

If you don't subscribe to digital locals, the OTA channels will read "Digital Programming".

Unlike regular HD receivers, Dish gets the guide data from the satellite. It is a way to force you to sub the local package.

Well, I am totally ignorant of this concept. I guess you are saying to call D* and tell them I have "moved" to an area that has HD broadcasting locally and they want change my mailing address. I would do this in a heartbeat since I can only receive one HD station over the air and thats CBS.
Will someone private message me with the proper wording to say to D* to do this? I would love to watch LSU in HD tonight. Excuse me of my ignorance put help the old man out.
Smackman

Well, I am totally ignorant of this concept. I guess you are saying to call D* and tell them I have "moved" to an area that has HD broadcasting locally and they want change my mailing address. I would do this in a heartbeat since I can only receive one HD station over the air and thats CBS.
Will someone private message me with the proper wording to say to D* to do this? I would love to watch LSU in HD tonight. Excuse me of my ignorance put help the old man out.
Smackman

You can't do this with D* only E*...as in EchoStar DishNetwork.

Here's a thread on it... it is easy.

http://www.satelliteguys.us/showthread.php?t=85493

Post #18 even has a script for you ;)

If you are on 129W here's a list of markets on 129W. Pick one in green..Chicago is good since it will keep your same timezone.

http://www.lyngsat.com/packages/dish129.html

Also make sure you have a VIP line receiver such as the 622...

Hey digiblur, thanks for the info!! That looks like a great option. Can't wait to give it a try.

Mick

Hey digiblur, thanks for the info!! That looks like a great option. Can't wait to give it a try.

Mick

Remember to be fair... if the station went to all the trouble and expense to provide you with an OTA HD signal then by all means watch it. It will probably be a little better quality anyways since it doesn't go through another "middle man". If you don't have an OTA HD signal from a network you need then by all means use other methods to obtain it.

Dallas texas is spotbeam 21. By a map I looked at spotbeam 21 crosses over into louisiana to around shreveport. My spotbeam is 15 and I am approx. 90 miles from shreveport LA. When I enter 21 under transponder on satellite 110 it shows 100+
Is this an accurate way of determining if I could pick up the Dallas locals or could I be picking up something stray?Spotbeam 21 and 15 overlap each other bigtime. I would love to get Dallas instead of Chicago but I am afraid after reading the forum you sent me to that it might be a false indication. Whats your thoughts on this? I live 90 miles due east of shreveport.
Thanks
Smackman
P.S. I have E* A 622 HD receiver.

hey digiblur

what happens when they change your service address? do yo then have to tell them you want the locals for that area? i have to pray for the right weather before i can get fox out of shreveport, usually when it's cloudy or raining.

Dallas texas is spotbeam 21. By a map I looked at spotbeam 21 crosses over into louisiana to around shreveport. My spotbeam is 15 and I am approx. 90 miles from shreveport LA. When I enter 21 under transponder on satellite 110 it shows 100+
Is this an accurate way of determining if I could pick up the Dallas locals or could I be picking up something stray?Spotbeam 21 and 15 overlap each other bigtime. I would love to get Dallas instead of Chicago but I am afraid after reading the forum you sent me to that it might be a false indication. Whats your thoughts on this? I live 90 miles due east of shreveport.
Thanks
Smackman
P.S. I have E* A 622 HD receiver.

I just pulled these from the DVB tables a few hours ago. I believe these are the right call letters for DFW.

HD's

6383 - WFAA - EchoStar10 110W TP 31 Spotbeam 21 from New Braunfels
6384 - KTVT - EchoStar10 110W TP 31 Spotbeam 21 from New Braunfels
6385 - KXAS - EchoStar10 110W TP 31 Spotbeam 21 from New Braunfels
6386 - KDFW - EchoStar10 110W TP 31 Spotbeam 21 from New Braunfels

TP31 - Estimated Coverage http://ekb.dbstalk.com/E10spots/e10t31.gif

The standard definition DFW locals are spread out across TP 20 and TP 29.

8400 - WFAA - EchoStar10 110W TP 20 Spotbeam 21 from New Braunfels
8401 - KTVT - EchoStar10 110W TP 20 Spotbeam 21 from New Braunfels
8402 - KXAS - EchoStar10 110W TP 20 Spotbeam 21 from New Braunfels
8403 - KDFW - EchoStar10 110W TP 20 Spotbeam 21 from New Braunfels
8404 - KDAF - EchoStar10 110W TP 29 Spotbeam 21 from New Braunfels
8405 - KTXA - EchoStar10 110W TP 29 Spotbeam 21 from New Braunfels
8406 - KERA - EchoStar10 110W TP 20 Spotbeam 21 from New Braunfels
....and so on....

TP20 Estimated coverage http://ekb.dbstalk.com/E10spots/e10t20.pdf

TP29 Estimated coverage http://ekb.dbstalk.com/E10spots/e10t29.gif

What signals do you get on these TP's?

hey digiblur

what happens when they change your service address? do yo then have to tell them you want the locals for that area? i have to pray for the right weather before i can get fox out of shreveport, usually when it's cloudy or raining.

When the little guy from India asks if he can do anything else for you once you've changed your service address say "Yes. I'd like to get my local channels for my winter home since I don't have an antenna to get them." "I can add them for $4.99(or whatever), if you'd like."

How do I get my receiver to read this? WQhen I go to signal meter page I see
tuner input spotbeam (also go to transponder) and satellite. How can I look at spotbeam and transponder at same time when its under the same heading?
zip code dish system tuner input spotbeam or transponder satellite
This is layout
thanks for info
Smackman

How do I get my receiver to read this? WQhen I go to signal meter page I see
tuner input spotbeam (also go to transponder) and satellite. How can I look at spotbeam and transponder at same time when its under the same heading?
zip code dish system tuner input spotbeam or transponder satellite
This is layout
thanks for info
Smackman

Just go to TP's 20, 29 and 31. 31 being the important one.

Also check 110 TP 4 to see if you can "see" the Houston, TX HD's.

all ZEROS! Looks like chicago or kansas city!
Thanks you for your expertise!
Smackman

all ZEROS! Looks like chicago or kansas city!
Thanks you for your expertise!
Smackman

I figured as much... as I can't "see" the Houston HD's either. I'm just outside of the spotbeam covering Mobile, AL and I get only about 55% even on my 90cm dish.

I can't even see TP 27 which has the Shreveport locals.

The spotbeams are very tight. ;)

Check your signal at 129W, you should be okay since there aren't any spotbeams on this satellite.

90_+ on 129; I have a separate dish dedicated to 129; my old superdish picks up 110 and 119. I have a dish 500 for 129. The dish 1000 sucked!
Smackman

For those of you that are interested, KTVE, the NBC affiliate in El Dorado/Monroe, went full power digital at 8PM tonight. It's currently in SD, but they will be in HD by the weekend. They had some issues with their microwave. The signal should be received well to Minden with a good antenna and preamp. The Grade "B" signal is actually predicted to reach just into Bossier Parish, so be on the lookout for their signal, on RF 27. The CE from KTVE was wanting some signal reports, so if anyone can pull them in, post it here :)

Steve, you should be able to pick it up fine once it comes back. I am still getting no signal on KTAL. They acknowledged it is down and can't tell when it will be back up.

How high is your antenna? Mine is probably 20 feet up.


Mine is in attic, probably at least that high. It's a tall attic. I put it up as high as I could with a 5' ladder. (No picnic getting a fiberglass step ladder into and out of the attic...)

Looks like it's gonna be no-telling-when before KTAL gets up and going fellows. :mad: I emailed Scott Thomas, KTAL Station Manager, today to ask for an update...and to let him know their web site still has his statement from the end of November telling us they're gonna miss their Dec 1st date, and that hopefully we'd have it up by Christmas or New Years. Here's what he said:

"Our HD testing over the last few weeks has identified the need for additional equipment. Which, of course is going to take a bit to come in. I have been unable to nail down a delivery date from our vendor. So, no on-air date as of yet. I will post something soon....

Thanks for your patience.

Scott Thomas
VP/General Manager"

I pick up good signal (90+) on all spotbeams or transponders on 110 satellite except for a very few. My question is this; If I pickup good signal on a particular transponder should I be able tp pick up there local stations if I "move" my address? Such as Atlanta? Seems to good to be true.
Thank you
Smackman

I pick up good signal (90+) on all spotbeams or transponders on 110 satellite except for a very few. My question is this; If I pickup good signal on a particular transponder should I be able tp pick up there local stations if I "move" my address? Such as Atlanta? Seems to good to be true.
Thank you
Smackman

We already concluded that you aren't in any of the HD LiL spotbeams on 110 so those are all a no go. But everything on 129W is free game since those are ALL CONUS beams, not spotbeams.

Don't be confused with spotbeams. Imagine you stand a few feet back from a globe and shine a big flashlight on the center of the US. It "lights" up the whole US. Now take a smaller very focused tight beam flashlight and shine it on the US. You'll see how it only "lights" up one or two states. This is exactly the difference between spotbeamed and conus beams. And no, they don't do this to stop people from getting the channels out of market, they "re-use" the same frequency a few states over and do this several times with each beam.

It's not too good to be true... how do you think several people are watching NBC-HD in New Orleans when WDSU doesn't have an HD signal on satellite, Cox Cable, or even an OTA signal. Zero WDSU HD in New Orleans...but I know of about 5 people that are enjoying NBC HD today in the N.O. DMA.

Signal level on KTVE-DT is strong (89-90%) west of Star City. That of course is when the antenna is pointed toward the transmitter site and not my locals (Little Rock). KTVE is now my third strongest DT behind KATV and KASN.

Antenna: CM4228 8 Bay UHF (will rx high VHF) and CM 7777 preamp @ 25ft with rotor.

Keep up the good work and looking forward "KTVE-HD" I know the guys south and southeast of me will ;)

We already concluded that you aren't in any of the HD LiL spotbeams on 110 so those are all a no go. But everything on 129W is free game since those are ALL CONUS beams, not spotbeams.

Don't be confused with spotbeams. Imagine you stand a few feet back from a globe and shine a big flashlight on the center of the US. It "lights" up the whole US. Now take a smaller very focused tight beam flashlight and shine it on the US. You'll see how it only "lights" up one or two states. This is exactly the difference between spotbeamed and conus beams. And no, they don't do this to stop people from getting the channels out of market, they "re-use" the same frequency a few states over and do this several times with each beam.

It's not too good to be true... how do you think several people are watching NBC-HD in New Orleans when WDSU doesn't have an HD signal on satellite, Cox Cable, or even an OTA signal. Zero WDSU HD in New Orleans...but I know of about 5 people that are enjoying NBC HD today in the N.O. DMA.

Okay, I know I cannot receive HD via spotbeam. Atlanta delivers the 4 major networks via CONUS but the other 9 come off spotbeam 6 and I receive spotbeam 6 with a 100+ signal. I know I will receive the big four via CONUS but will I receive the other 9 via transponder 6 since I receive a strong signal on it. Please be patient; all are not novices.
Smackman

Okay, I know I cannot receive HD via spotbeam. Atlanta delivers the 4 major networks via CONUS but the other 9 come off spotbeam 6 and I receive spotbeam 6 with a 100+ signal. I know I will receive the big four via CONUS but will I receive the other 9 via transponder 6 since I receive a strong signal on it. Please be patient; all are not novices.
Smackman

Don't get the spotbeam numbers and the transponder numbers confused. They are not the same. One spotbeam number can have multiple transponders.

Atlanta HD's
6365 - WSB - EchoStar5 129W TP 04 ConUS beam
6366 - WGCL - EchoStar5 129W TP 04 ConUS beam
6367 - WXIA - EchoStar5 129W TP 04 ConUS beam
6368 - WAGA - EchoStar5 129W TP 04 ConUS beam

Atlanta SD's
8300 - WSB - EchoStar10 110W TP 20 Spotbeam 06 from Mount Jackson
8301 - WGCL - EchoStar10 110W TP 20 Spotbeam 06 from Mount Jackson
8302 - WXIA - EchoStar10 110W TP 20 Spotbeam 06 from Mount Jackson
8303 - WAGA - EchoStar10 110W TP 20 Spotbeam 06 from Mount Jackson
8304 - WATL - EchoStar10 110W TP 20 Spotbeam 06 from Mount Jackson
....and so on.

Transponder 20 on Spotbeam 06
Now find Spotbeam 06 on this map. See how it is over Georgia?
http://ekb.dbstalk.com/E10spots/e10spots.pdf

Or you can narrow it down and say "only show me the spotbeams with transponder 20". http://ekb.dbstalk.com/E10spots/e10t20.pdf

According to the spotbeam map. You are probably in spotbeam 15. You already said you can get spotbeam 16(Houston, TX) and spotbeam 21 (Dallas,TX). So based on those estimates I bet you can't see spotbeam 12 or spotbeam 11. Now lets look at what Spotbeam 15 contains:

7015 - KTBS - EchoStar10 110W TP 27 Spotbeam 15 from New Braunfels
7016 - KSLA - EchoStar10 110W TP 27 Spotbeam 15 from New Braunfels
7017 - KTAL - EchoStar10 110W TP 27 Spotbeam 15 from New Braunfels
7018 - KMSS - EchoStar10 110W TP 27 Spotbeam 15 from New Braunfels
7019 - KSHV - EchoStar10 110W TP 27 Spotbeam 15 from New Braunfels
7021 - KLTS - EchoStar10 110W TP 27 Spotbeam 15 from New Braunfels
7809 - KAQY - EchoStar10 110W TP 27 Spotbeam 15 from New Braunfels
7810 - KNOE - EchoStar10 110W TP 27 Spotbeam 15 from New Braunfels
7811 - KTVE - EchoStar10 110W TP 27 Spotbeam 15 from New Braunfels
7812 - KARD - EchoStar10 110W TP 27 Spotbeam 15 from New Braunfels
7813 - KEJB - EchoStar10 110W TP 27 Spotbeam 15 from New Braunfels
7814 - KLTM - EchoStar10 110W TP 27 Spotbeam 15 from New Braunfels
7815 - KMCT - EchoStar10 110W TP 27 Spotbeam 15 from New Braunfels

9350 - KATV - EchoStar10 110W TP 18 Spotbeam 15 from New Braunfels
9351 - KTHV - EchoStar10 110W TP 18 Spotbeam 15 from New Braunfels
9352 - KARK - EchoStar10 110W TP 18 Spotbeam 15 from New Braunfels
9353 - KLRT - EchoStar10 110W TP 18 Spotbeam 15 from New Braunfels
9354 - KWBF - EchoStar10 110W TP 18 Spotbeam 15 from New Braunfels
9355 - KASN - EchoStar10 110W TP 18 Spotbeam 15 from New Braunfels
9356 - KETS - EchoStar10 110W TP 18 Spotbeam 15 from New Braunfels
9357 - KVTN - EchoStar10 110W TP 18 Spotbeam 15 from New Braunfels
9358 - KKYK - EchoStar10 110W TP 18 Spotbeam 15 from New Braunfels

See how Spotbeam contains transponder 18 and transponder 27.

Just for kicks if you want to see if you can see Spotbeam 11 or 12 here's what they contain:

Spotbeam 11 - TP 26, TP 31, TP 29
Spotbeam 12 - TP 23, TP 25

A couple of screen shots of KTVE-DT from NW Lincoln County, AR

and an analog one with antenna in same direction (about 290deg)

Bottom line: I don't have to turn the rotor far to get KTVE-DT at my location and this erases any doubt about ATSC/digital OTA TV.

:D

The windy city is rocking. Thanks for correcting me earlier on. I am a Electronic Technician by trade but I have been disabled over 3 years but I learned years ago to ALWAYS listen; It can't hurt a thing.
Thanks dude
Smackman
A very happy smackman :)

So, smackman, from your post, I assume you "moved" to Chicago??? Any problems? How long did it take them to do it? I sure would like to get the 'Boys in HD tomorrow night...and KTAL doesn't have clue now how long it will take them to get up and going.

haley,

Those are good screens of KTVE...that analog photo looks horrible! Is the reception bad because it was early in the morning? I must say that their signal looks a lot better now than it did when they were on a STA.... and it's actually in stereo sound....lol

Looks like it's gonna be no-telling-when before KTAL gets up and going fellows. :mad: I emailed Scott Thomas, KTAL Station Manager, today to ask for an update...and to let him know their web site still has his statement from the end of November telling us they're gonna miss their Dec 1st date, and that hopefully we'd have it up by Christmas or New Years. Here's what he said:

"Our HD testing over the last few weeks has identified the need for additional equipment. Which, of course is going to take a bit to come in. I have been unable to nail down a delivery date from our vendor. So, no on-air date as of yet. I will post something soon....

Thanks for your patience.

Scott Thomas
VP/General Manager"

Maybe they could hire "Larry the Cable Guy" to GIT-ER-DONE!

So, smackman, from your post, I assume you "moved" to Chicago??? Any problems? How long did it take them to do it? I sure would like to get the 'Boys in HD tomorrow night...and KTAL doesn't have clue now how long it will take them to get up and going.

No problem; 10 minutes tops :)

haley,

Those are good screens of KTVE...that analog photo looks horrible! Is the reception bad because it was early in the morning? I must say that their signal looks a lot better now than it did when they were on a STA.... and it's actually in stereo sound....lol

The antenna is at 290 deg, which allows me to see the Little Rock locals (except KETS-DT) plus KTVE-DT. I used to aim the antenna at the best reception for (cough, cough) KWBF analog---that way i had max signal from the LR locals.

Here are my signal levels @ 290 deg (NW) RF channels are shown
_________________________________________________________
RS Accurian: (near p/a splitter) Dish 811: (100ft from splitter, preamp)
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
KETS-5 (LR) below 50%-No lock at that location on both boxes
KARK-32 (LR) 73% 69%
KATV-22 (LR) 91% 90%
KTVE-27(EL) 70% 67%
KTHV-12 (LR) 76% 73%
KLRT-30 (LR) 70% 67%
KASN-39(LR) 90% 89%

KTVE-DT is strong enough to come in on the side lobes of the 4228 antenna. My Little Rock locals are lower in strengh but as long as the signals stay in the 65%+ range, that is not a problem for me.

BTW, I used a WinTV (NTSC) card, DScaler 4.1.15 and my RS Accurian box for digital to do the screen caps. I'm still stuck with the E* 811 box in the living room. Speaking of which, the channel guide info if it does not show up, do a hard reboot (unplug the rx) and it will add KTVE info to the Dish channel guide.

What to take from this: HD viewers in Monticello, Dumas, McGehee, and Warren, AR will have access to NBC-HD even when antenna is pointed towards stations in the LR DMA.

I may move to Chicago for a day so I can watch both games and hopefully the Cowboys get stampeded!! :D

KTAL has got to be full of crap. They are needing another piece of equipment? They were up and running HD a few weeks back.

I call BS. They just don't know what they are doing. I take back the good things I said earlier.

haley,

Those are good screens of KTVE...that analog photo looks horrible! Is the reception bad because it was early in the morning? I must say that their signal looks a lot better now than it did when they were on a STA.... and it's actually in stereo sound....lol

I live maybe 15 miles from the KTVE transmitter. I can pull in a 100+ signal with ease here 5 miles south of Marion. The digital pictures are not as quality as KETZ digital transmissions from the same tower. Its 100% better than it was and a 1000% better than dish local picture but its definitely not totally clear. I have a 55" mistubishi rear projection TV that gets great HD pictures off my 622 receiver and channel 8 out of monroe and KLTM out of monroe;comparing digital transmission not HD KTVE is not as clear. Just being honest.
Smackman

My 622 HD receiver refuses to lock in on a PBS station out of Monroe, Louisiana. The signal is above 65 but it will not lock it in. My TV tuner locks it in with no problems locking in and this station never pixalates. Actually, This PBS channel on 19.5 has the best HD picture quality of all my OTA channels broadcasting in HD.
What goes here? Any thoughts or comments would be appreciated. :)

Just wondering if anybody else is having this problem....I can pick up 12.1, 12.2, and 12.3. 12.2 and 12.3 have picture and sound while 12.1 has sound but no picture. Is anybody else having this problem with KSLA? If nobody else is, anybody have any idea what could be wrong?

Don't get the spotbeam numbers and the transponder numbers confused. They are not the same. One spotbeam number can have multiple transponders.

Atlanta HD's
6365 - WSB - EchoStar5 129W TP 04 ConUS beam
6366 - WGCL - EchoStar5 129W TP 04 ConUS beam
6367 - WXIA - EchoStar5 129W TP 04 ConUS beam
6368 - WAGA - EchoStar5 129W TP 04 ConUS beam

Atlanta SD's
8300 - WSB - EchoStar10 110W TP 20 Spotbeam 06 from Mount Jackson
8301 - WGCL - EchoStar10 110W TP 20 Spotbeam 06 from Mount Jackson
8302 - WXIA - EchoStar10 110W TP 20 Spotbeam 06 from Mount Jackson
8303 - WAGA - EchoStar10 110W TP 20 Spotbeam 06 from Mount Jackson
8304 - WATL - EchoStar10 110W TP 20 Spotbeam 06 from Mount Jackson
....and so on.

Transponder 20 on Spotbeam 06
Now find Spotbeam 06 on this map. See how it is over Georgia?
http://ekb.dbstalk.com/E10spots/e10spots.pdf

Or you can narrow it down and say "only show me the spotbeams with transponder 20". http://ekb.dbstalk.com/E10spots/e10t20.pdf

According to the spotbeam map. You are probably in spotbeam 15. You already said you can get spotbeam 16(Houston, TX) and spotbeam 21 (Dallas,TX). So based on those estimates I bet you can't see spotbeam 12 or spotbeam 11. Now lets look at what Spotbeam 15 contains:

7015 - KTBS - EchoStar10 110W TP 27 Spotbeam 15 from New Braunfels
7016 - KSLA - EchoStar10 110W TP 27 Spotbeam 15 from New Braunfels
7017 - KTAL - EchoStar10 110W TP 27 Spotbeam 15 from New Braunfels
7018 - KMSS - EchoStar10 110W TP 27 Spotbeam 15 from New Braunfels
7019 - KSHV - EchoStar10 110W TP 27 Spotbeam 15 from New Braunfels
7021 - KLTS - EchoStar10 110W TP 27 Spotbeam 15 from New Braunfels
7809 - KAQY - EchoStar10 110W TP 27 Spotbeam 15 from New Braunfels
7810 - KNOE - EchoStar10 110W TP 27 Spotbeam 15 from New Braunfels
7811 - KTVE - EchoStar10 110W TP 27 Spotbeam 15 from New Braunfels
7812 - KARD - EchoStar10 110W TP 27 Spotbeam 15 from New Braunfels
7813 - KEJB - EchoStar10 110W TP 27 Spotbeam 15 from New Braunfels
7814 - KLTM - EchoStar10 110W TP 27 Spotbeam 15 from New Braunfels
7815 - KMCT - EchoStar10 110W TP 27 Spotbeam 15 from New Braunfels

9350 - KATV - EchoStar10 110W TP 18 Spotbeam 15 from New Braunfels
9351 - KTHV - EchoStar10 110W TP 18 Spotbeam 15 from New Braunfels
9352 - KARK - EchoStar10 110W TP 18 Spotbeam 15 from New Braunfels
9353 - KLRT - EchoStar10 110W TP 18 Spotbeam 15 from New Braunfels
9354 - KWBF - EchoStar10 110W TP 18 Spotbeam 15 from New Braunfels
9355 - KASN - EchoStar10 110W TP 18 Spotbeam 15 from New Braunfels
9356 - KETS - EchoStar10 110W TP 18 Spotbeam 15 from New Braunfels
9357 - KVTN - EchoStar10 110W TP 18 Spotbeam 15 from New Braunfels
9358 - KKYK - EchoStar10 110W TP 18 Spotbeam 15 from New Braunfels

See how Spotbeam contains transponder 18 and transponder 27.

Just for kicks if you want to see if you can see Spotbeam 11 or 12 here's what they contain:

Spotbeam 11 - TP 26, TP 31, TP 29
Spotbeam 12 - TP 23, TP 25

I'm around Lafayette with E* & and looking to "move" for HD broadcast channels. I don't think the Houston spot beam will work for me. Any suggestions?

Just wondering if anybody else is having this problem....I can pick up 12.1, 12.2, and 12.3. 12.2 and 12.3 have picture and sound while 12.1 has sound but no picture. Is anybody else having this problem with KSLA? If nobody else is, anybody have any idea what could be wrong?

Everything normal here. Good picture on 12.1 anyway. No clue what's bothering yours. Have you tried a re-scan?

Good Luck.

Just wondering if anybody else is having this problem....I can pick up 12.1, 12.2, and 12.3. 12.2 and 12.3 have picture and sound while 12.1 has sound but no picture. Is anybody else having this problem with KSLA? If nobody else is, anybody have any idea what could be wrong?LOL. Whaddup Hergy!!!! Getting 12.1 fine here with video and sound.


As for KTAL. Tonight is the last of NFL games for them so they have until Nascar restarts to get their **** straight.!!! :D

For me, KTAL has until Heroes returns in a couple of weeks!

I'm around Lafayette with E* & and looking to "move" for HD broadcast channels. I don't think the Houston spot beam will work for me. Any suggestions?

Do you have 129W or 61.5W? What type of receiver do you have?

For me, KTAL has until Heroes returns in a couple of weeks!

I totally agree with you on Heroes... I couldn't do without my CBS-HD or NBC-HD. We watch FOX-HD and ABC-HD occasionally and rarely ever watch PBS-HD or CW-HD.

Everything normal here. Good picture on 12.1 anyway. No clue what's bothering yours. Have you tried a re-scan?

Good Luck.

I haven't rescanned yet. I will give that a try and see if that works. Thanks

LOL. Whaddup Hergy!!!! Getting 12.1 fine here with video and sound.


As for KTAL. Tonight is the last of NFL games for them so they have until Nascar restarts to get their **** straight.!!! :D

Do I know you?

LOL. Whaddup Hergy!!!! Getting 12.1 fine here with video and sound.


As for KTAL. Tonight is the last of NFL games for them so they have until Nascar restarts to get their **** straight.!!! :D

No NASCAR on NBC this year. FOX has the early season races (all Daytona 500's, not the alternating like in previous years), TNT mid-season, and ESPN/ABC the last third. The chase races (starting in Sept) will be aired on local ABC stations under the ESPN on ABC brand.

I haven't rescanned yet. I will give that a try and see if that works. Thanks

12.1 has been working fine for me today.

Everything normal here. Good picture on 12.1 anyway. No clue what's bothering yours. Have you tried a re-scan?

Good Luck.

Ok, I did a rescan and was unsucessful. I have no clue what's the deal. I will keep trying some things.

Hi, my name is Casey and I have a major problem. I have a Samsung LCD and have tried 3 antennas and still cannot get 12.1. I think that it is the tv. On 12.1 I get a large green box on the right side of the screen and the picture crammed into the left side of the screen. The Superbowl is coming and I am clueless. Can anyone help? I would plug it into my satellite receiver, but the DirecTV HD DVR I have does not receive HD signals from an over the air antenna. BTW, what antenna are y'all using to pick up other markets HD broadcasts? Is it a satellite?

It seems more than one person are having trouble with 12.1. My reception is okay with 4 different tuners. Is it possible that your antenna is not up to the task? Try a decent UHF antenna placed as high as you can put it. Go to antennaweb.org for aiming info. Do a search for antennas.

Channel master 4228, perhaps...

I would plug it into my satellite receiver, but the DirecTV HD DVR I have does not receive HD signals from an over the air antenna. Are you sure? It should be able to get OTA. Look on the back for an antenna input.

Hey Steve any idea if any local store(s) in our area sell the Channel Master 4228 antenna? Or should I just order it online?

http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?PROD=ANC4228

I have not seen it locally.

http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?PROD=ANC4228

I have not seen it locally.

Thanks alot, I will order one. How high do you have yours? Is it ok to put it in the attic?

Try this link for the channelmaster 4228.

http://www.warrenelectronics.com/antennas/4228.htm

It'll save $15-20 overall.

I got mine from there a few weeks ago. Got it in about 3 days.

Your DirecTV receiver should get OTA, is it an HR20? D* released an update just before Christmas and enabled the OTA tuners, mine picks up everything perfectly from South Bossier. Try 17-1 to see if that helps with your TV tuner also, 12-1 is actually on that frequency and with my old D* tuner i had to tune that in to see the signal.

Holy Cow. Dish released their hr20 with no OTA???? And they just got it updated to receive OTA???

Good news for Dish VIP622 users. External storage is coming. Announced at CES!!

I live in SE Shreveport and can't get anything on NBC with my little 4 bay bowtie in the attic. Would the 4228 do any better?

By the way, Fox looked awesome last night on my new 42" Panansonic plasma!

NBC/KTAL is low power right now so you might want to wait till the time "if" they go full power and HD before dropping the money on a new antenna.

On a side note. KPXJ 21-01 is now in HD. I never watch it but I was surfing and it is HD. 21-02 used to be the same feed except with black bars instead of gray bars. 21-02 is still SD.

LMMFAO!!!!

Our obscure CW network affiliate is HD before NBC. hehehehee :D

KTAL sucks!!!!!

yes D* released the HR20 without OTA but the External SATA link is active and works fine for storage and D* is not going to slap a fee on external storage like E* is. They both have warts, but D* doesnt seem to make up a fee for everything like E* does. Charlie's slogan should be, "E*, we have a fee for that."

Oh, I know what you mean. Dick is prolly tracking how many times you access your guide so he can figure out if he wants to charge a "guide access fee". :eek:

Hope FIOS comes to LA to shake them up. Not only in charges but also for HD quality. Dick, Dave, and "Suddenly I need to reboot my cable modem" :p

But I am still dumbfounded by the shipping of the HR20 without OTA tuner. You guys had to buy that right? Was't it like $500 or something?

BTW,, FWIW. The fee for external storage fee is going to be a one-time enabling fee instead and not recurring!!!! LOL. It better be like $5 or I am sending my 622 back. And it will prolly get damaged on the way back!! LOL ;)

NBC/KTAL is low power right now so you might want to wait till the time "if" they go full power and HD before dropping the money on a new antenna.

On a side note. KPXJ 21-01 is now in HD. I never watch it but I was surfing and it is HD. 21-02 used to be the same feed except with black bars instead of gray bars. 21-02 is still SD.

LMMFAO!!!!

Our obscure CW network affiliate is HD before NBC. hehehehee :D

KTAL sucks!!!!!

They have always been behind their competiton. But, I want to watch The Office and My Name is Earl in HD! The SD locals on D* suck.

yes D* released the HR20 without OTA but the External SATA link is active and works fine for storage and D* is not going to slap a fee on external storage like E* is. They both have warts, but D* doesnt seem to make up a fee for everything like E* does. Charlie's slogan should be, "E*, we have a fee for that."

I thought the issue with the SATA is it turned the internal hard drive off?

They have always been behind their competiton. But, I want to watch The Office and My Name is Earl in HD! The SD locals on D* suck.

Get DishNet and "move" if you want it that bad. ;)

Get DishNet and "move" if you want it that bad. ;)

I've thought about it, and really like Chicago ;) , but "supposedly" D* will have a lot of new HD programming available later this year.

I've thought about it, and really like Chicago ;) , but "supposedly" D* will have a lot of new HD programming available later this year.

Stay with D*

Yeah i never understood not having the tuners on by default either, but they are on now and work great. Box is $299 and if you know what to say you can get it for less. The SATA does disable the internal HD and use the external in its place so with the software the way it is now you can add storage but you can't use both at the same time, but you can buy a cpl 500 gig drives and an enclosure for less than $500 and have a terabyte to play with. DBSTalk has a lot of people doing things like that now.