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jacob_seal

06-20-07, 03:30 PM

Hello everyone. I live in Bossier, and I've been lurking here for a while. I just wanted to thank everyone here for being so open and informative. After reading the NBC finally went HD, i finally broke down and bought an OTA antenna for my LCD HDTV. The advice i rcvd here proved to be invaluable. Until now I have just had standard analog cable with no HD at all. Anyway, over the weekend i mounted a radio shack(I know.....should've gotten a channelmaster) 80" antenna in my attic, and I now have beautiful OTA HD signal that has been very reliable so far. I am getting the following channels:
3-1
6-1
12-1
21-1
24-1
33-1
44-1(rarely....this one is a little sketchy, though I rcv 45 analog with no problem).

Now I just have to drop the cable down my back wall, and my install will be complete! Thanks again, and hopefully I can return the favor one day. If you need to know anything about guitars....PM me, as it's the only thing I know very much about. =)

Sincerely,
Jacob

SHergenrader

06-20-07, 03:44 PM

nyvram

06-25-07, 10:55 AM

Good morning all,

I was wondering if someone has a definitive list of the HD channels accessible in Monroe over Comcast/analog QAM? My parents have a set we bought them & lost all the channels for awhile. I'm trying to get them straightened out but I'm in Nashville. They're picking up 13 digital channels now. Can anyone out there who can get 13 digital channels in Monroe post what they are and the frequencies (and if HD)?

TIA

nyvram

06-25-07, 12:04 PM

Also, any word on Fox in Monroe? What is the latest with their HD implementation schedule? Anyone? Are they going to be HD by football season?

KeithAR2002

06-26-07, 01:34 AM

nyvram,

FOX in Monore won't be full-power or HD until sometime in 2008.. that was the latest word, anyway. I wouldn't count on seeing them before then...they'll most likely miss that target date, as Nexstar stations always do.

As far as Monroe digitals go, the only ones broadcasting a signal are below -

KNOE-DT 8-1, 8-2 (CBS HD on 8-1)
KTVE-DT 10-1, 10-2 (NBC-HD on 10-1)
KLTM-DT 13-1, 13-3, 13-5 (PBS HD on 13-5)
KARD-DT 14-1
And some religious station on 39-1

I don't know what the cable system carries... they probably carry CBS and PBS, but Im not sure about NBC. Most likely if they are getting their digitals over QAM, they're only getting CBS and PBS.. .. and the rest of the 13 channels are probably just music channels, since most cable companies only provide the locals unencrypted. From looking at the zap2it.com line-up for Comcast Digital in Monroe, the only locals they carry are KNOE-HD and PBS-HD.

You might want to consider talking your parents into getting Directv or Dish, because Monroe will be lacking in HD for a long time... with a DBS system, they would get more HD choices, plus all four networks in HD. Having the NYC big 4 in HD sure comes in handy when the locals want to disrupt the HD feed for weather graphics :) Plus, I can't even get CBS-HD OTA here... ABC-HD and FOX-HD aren't 24/7... and NBC-HD on KTVE is plagued with technical problems half the time... and KTVE-HD isn't even carried on cable anywhere.

nyvram

06-26-07, 08:08 AM

:(

Thanks Keith,

I'm not sure about satellite; they're using comcast for Internet as well so I'd have to go look for a different plan for that too. Something to think about though.

I'm just trying to figure out how my dad can watch his beloved Saints in HD this fall. Any suggestions? Not sure 'out of region' Fox networks are going to carry them.

ken984

06-26-07, 04:54 PM

May have to get a long range directional antenna and try for the Alexandria station, or maybe the Jackson station, the 'Aints will most likely be the "local" game on those every week.

It sucks that you have to deal with Nexstar for FOX there, FOX national paid for the infrastructure for HD and had it installed ages ago but the station can't manage to even get it on the tower.. typical Nexstar i guess.

haley-SEA

06-26-07, 09:48 PM

The Fox station for the Alexandria market is WNTZ-DT 49 (48-n) in Natchez, MS. It wasn't broadcasting an HD signal the last time I logged them, but that could change. Tropo enhanced reception is nil during Sunday afternoons when most NFL games are broadcast. Best bet is to get D* and then "move", although I understand that is getting more difficult.

haley-SEA

06-26-07, 09:51 PM

Question: Is the Shereveport market primary for the Cowboys or the Saints? We get mostly Cowboy games on our Little Rock FOX station (KLRT).

windham9

06-27-07, 11:58 AM

Question: Is the Shereveport market primary for the Cowboys or the Saints? We get mostly Cowboy games on our Little Rock FOX station (KLRT).

Was always Dallas, but last year fox 33 went with NO instead of Dallas at least once, Dallas was at Tenn. Low rated game, BEFORE Vince Young started doing his thing. I watched it in SD on fox 51. They are HD now. When CBS had the NFC, KSLA always went with Dallas, but KMSS is KMSS.
The FOX Dallas & NO schedules conflict this year on Oct 21st, Nov 18th & Dec 30th. Dallas has a LOT of late games.

ken984

06-27-07, 06:08 PM

windham9

06-27-07, 10:07 PM

KMSS is Cowboys primary, although the management can change that if the matchups are better elsewhere. They did make a cpl of changes last year and put the 'Aints on a cpl of times, made me buy ST...again. Oh well i am not taking any chances this year just gonna buy it from the get go so i am not mad when they make the wrong choice.

The thing to do is if you cannot miss a game, like me, buy the package...or you might find yourself looking for a buddy with it or a bar to go to, and if you are a non smoker like me a bar is not where you want to be for 4 hrs on a Sunday afternoon.

I don't have satellite or cable, money I save on that helps on my season tickets. HD looks great, but being there for those home games is awesome.(Colts game last year!!) In 2009 the 60 FOOT wide center hung screen will give the replays justice, and the new stadium will have A/C. Oct 8 AT Buffalo(ESPN) & Dec 22 AT Carolina(NFL-network) I'll watch at Dad's & my fishing buddy's. That last game at Wash. will be on FOX 51 for sure, IF 33 shows the Saints, everyone will be at my house. Local cable only carries 33. Right antenna setup might get you 51? Their program info is right. KMSS has been an hour off since the time change I think, or longer.

No Dallas vs N.O. game this year, unless in the playoffs. Both should win their divisions. This year, next year, payback is coming for N.O. Cowboys are the best in the NFC now.

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ken984

06-28-07, 10:16 AM

windham9

06-28-07, 01:03 PM

I agree with the being there, I was at the Home Opener last year against the Deadskins, awesome game had plenty of skins fans to rag on the whole time. But I cant make it to more than one or 2 games a season, think i may wait for a playoff game this year. I have been to 2 NFC Championship games that we won on the way to 2 of our Super Bowl victories, those games were incredible.
At least this year we should see all the games in HD, since KTAL is finally live, maybe they can figure out that 5.1 audio doesn't just come from 2 speakers before the season starts.

KTAL audio was dropping out on me last night. Switched to KETK, it was a KTAL issue.
Got hung up in a bad wreck on I-20 before that opening game, raining. Still got there in time to hit the pro shop before kickoff. That was the first NBC Sunday night game. Used to be more Noon games. Get home before 7pm instead of 3am. Had TWO 12pm games last year. 3 are scheduled this year, but beware the flex schedule. The 'aints game was flexed last year, added insult to injury. Long ride home. Last 2 years I paid for and got refunded on playoff tix. There won't be any refunds this year. Dallas looks to be the best in the NFC easily.

ken984

06-28-07, 10:42 PM

Oh yeah i remember that wreck, we got off in the middle of nowhere and went around...luckily we had a cpl free hours planned to go to Fry's, but the detour ate that up. I have only seen them lose once in all the times i have been there, hopefully my luck will keep up:-)
New coaching staff will be the telling factor, talent wise we have the right guys to win.

windham9

07-01-07, 06:56 PM

Anyone else having audio problems with KTAL?

i49mobile

07-01-07, 09:04 PM

I noticed last night and this morning during the Today's show that audio would totally drop on KTAL. Sad as well that KSLA will not fix their audio/video sync issues when searches on this forum indicate the same issue for three years. My two e-mails to KSLA were ignored by Ted Small, the engineer, and James Smith, the GM asking when KSLA Audio/video sync issues would be fixed.

windham9

07-02-07, 10:51 AM

Some tuners seem to have more problems with KSLA. I once returned a RCA 52" set for KSLA video issues. It worked perfect on CBS19 KYTX however. My Sony shows a perfect HD picture on KSLA, sync is barely out. There is sometimes a green or blue vertical line between the left edge of the picture and the black filler bar when the are not switched ot HD. Ted replied to my emails when I complained about fail to switch. They got better too. But these issues may be due to imperfect first generation equipment. It may go away if they install 5.1 audio. 18 months to analog cutoff. Hopefully all will be perfect then. The KTAL audio deal is awful.

i49mobile

07-02-07, 07:42 PM

If you want to see something interesting go to Best Buy on Youree Dr in Shreveport and ask them to switch to their OTA on a Samsung set. Picture is terrible. Per one of their people that knows something-- issue only on Sammy TVs.

Ronald_Jeremy

07-09-07, 03:01 PM

Yes I know. When I hooked up my father's new Samsung it has the big green bar on the right on 12-1. 12-2 and 12-3 are fine!!

KeithAR2002

07-10-07, 03:21 AM

Well, I received a new power supply for my preamp in the mail today (finally), and saw HD on KTAL for the first time this evening (during Leno). The PQ looks a bit more crisp than KTVE-HD, and I was impressed. One question, though...what is "KTAL-SD" for?

gbranch

07-10-07, 01:01 PM

One question, though...what is "KTAL-SD" for?

Probably a place holder for an upcoming sub-channel, like NBC Weather Plus or local weather radar.

KLTV-DT had 7.3 KLTV-SD on for months before it became The Tube. KETK-DT also did the same with 56.2 before NBC Weather Plus launched.

Ronald_Jeremy

07-10-07, 04:17 PM

What resolutions are 3, 6, 12, 24, 31, 33, and 45 broadcast in.

Is KSLA the only one that is 1080i and the rest are 720p?

KeithAR2002

07-10-07, 04:22 PM

Ronald_Jeremy

07-11-07, 05:53 PM

windham9

07-11-07, 10:00 PM

Let's see...

KTBS is 720p
KTAL is 1080i
KSLA is 1080i
LPB is 1080i
KMSS is 720p
KSHV doesn't do HD, does it? I know MyNet does HD, and their resolution is 1080i, I believe.

Anyway, I think that list is correct... ABC and FOX are 720p...NBC and CBS are 1080i... and PBS stations can either do 720p or 1080i... but the only PBS station I know of that does PBS-HD in 720p is one up in Springfield, MO.

I know for a fact that AETN and Mississippi PBS broadcast HD in 1080i

KSHV's old primary channel at 44.3 was 1080i, but never passed any HD. It's been out for months, likely to never return. Former "subchannel" 44.4 in 480i is all that works now.
I also get MyNet on KFXK's 480i subchannel, 51.2.

KPXJ 21.1 is 720p, they pass some HD, but I don't watch much KPXJ, 9pm news sometimes.

Have you noticed KTAL stretches 4:3 SD to 16:9? Sure makes their local newscasters look bloated. Hate the distorted 4:3, if I want stretch(never!) or zoom(sometimes), but ain't no fixing the distorted image. They even stretch NBC SD. Deal/no deal, primetime, etc. Annoying. But the HD sure looks GREAT and the audio seems fixed. KETK is still there for "stretch avoidance".

Ronald_Jeremy, KMSS/FOX is 720p. FOX/ABC 720p does motion better and tolerates subchannels better than 1080i. But CBS/NBC 1080i is sharper. CBS seems to sometimes use more and better HD cameras than NBC for sports. KSLA does have an issue with some tuners.

No matter, all 4 major networks HD usually look awesome. Remember when DVD video looked good? Give HD-DVD/Bluray 18 months, players will be $99 or less. I'm waiting. 1080p uncompressed will be some mighty sweet eye candy.

Tropo was awesome this am. Several "first-times" over 200mi+ on one scan. Had to go work, check it out in a bit. Its dark now.

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digiblur

07-11-07, 10:24 PM

1080p uncompressed will be some mighty sweet eye candy.

You'll never see 1080p uncompressed or even 1080i uncompressed in the home. You do the math on the little quote below. 19.2mbps X 56 = ;)

You'd be swapping out HD discs like no tomorrow!

It would take about 56 U.S. broadcast channels to carry a single uncompressed 1080i or 720p HDTV signal, which is more than exist in any one place; 1080p would take twice as many. That’s where compression comes in, and MPEG-4 AVC compression is about as good as it currently gets.

KeithAR2002

07-12-07, 01:22 AM

Thanks,

I also checked last night. KMSS is now 1080i.

The KSLA engineer is trying to say that the Samsung is not properly handling 1080i and the only reason that he can't get 12-1 is because they are the only channel broadcasting in 1080i!!! :p

Lol... well, that KSLA engineer really showed his knowledge of HD, or lack thereof ;) Seriously though, I wish they would figure out the Samsung mystery. Does KTAL-HD display correctly on a Samsung? I remember at the first of the year when I was looking at a Samsung at BB, I was just shocked when I turned to KSLA. With the Samsung model I was looking at, half the screen was a green box. Is that how it still is? Apparently, both Samsung and KSLA don't seem to care about finding out the problem.

KeithAR2002

07-12-07, 01:41 AM

KPXJ 21.1 is 720p, they pass some HD, but I don't watch much KPXJ, 9pm news sometimes.

I don't watch CW content, either, but I have to admit that their HD looks pretty good. Now if they would just get some real programming. To me, KPXJ-HD looks more crisp than KTBS, but maybe it's just my eyes playing tricks on me... or it might be because KTBS has two other subchannels while KPXJ only has one.

Have you noticed KTAL stretches 4:3 SD to 16:9? Sure makes their local newscasters look bloated. Hate the distorted 4:3, if I want stretch(never!) or zoom(sometimes), but ain't no fixing the distorted image. They even stretch NBC SD. Deal/no deal, primetime, etc. Annoying. But the HD sure looks GREAT and the audio seems fixed. KETK is still there for "stretch avoidance".

Yeah, that stretch-o-vision during KTAL's newscast doesn't help the anchors any... Heidi York is bloated enough in regular 4:3! :eek: I do think that KTAL's HD looks great... I don't know why it looks more crisp than my local NBC affiliate (KTVE), because both of them have one subchannel. I think KTVE is simply full of incompetent employees, since half the time their HD equipment is down, and the rest of the time they have sound issues. The only time I watch KTVE-HD at all is when I'm on my laptop. It's good to have other options... I watch KTAL or WNBC for regular viewing on the living room big screen. Same goes for the other three networks... I refuse to watch any stations from the Monroe market... :D

Tropo was awesome this am. Several "first-times" over 200mi+ on one scan. Had to go work, check it out in a bit. Its dark now.

Now that I finally have my antenna system back to 100%, I can enjoy the rest of the tropo season. I looked at the tropo forecast maps for the next week, and it's looking good every day... I might be able to pull in Houston a couple mornings, even :)

Ronald_Jeremy

07-12-07, 03:11 PM

Ronald_Jeremy, KMSS/FOX is 720p. Why does my TV in the bedroom show it is 1080i? It is correctly reporting all of the other stations.

SHergenrader

07-12-07, 03:31 PM

Why does my TV in the bedroom show it is 1080i? It is correctly reporting all of the other stations.

No clue why it would be showing KMSS is being broadcasted in 1080i because FOX is 720p. What does your TV in your living room say? Is the antenna plugged directly into the TV in the bedroom or do you have it running into a receiver?

windham9

07-12-07, 11:26 PM

Ronald_Jeremy

07-13-07, 10:19 AM

No clue why it would be showing KMSS is being broadcasted in 1080i because FOX is 720p. What does your TV in your living room say? Is the antenna plugged directly into the TV in the bedroom or do you have it running into a receiver?Bedroom is straight antenna, living room is through a VIP 622 so that doesn't count.

Steve_Smith

07-13-07, 08:43 PM

Lol... well, that KSLA engineer really showed his knowledge of HD, or lack thereof ;) Seriously though, I wish they would figure out the Samsung mystery. Does KTAL-HD display correctly on a Samsung? I remember at the first of the year when I was looking at a Samsung at BB, I was just shocked when I turned to KSLA. With the Samsung model I was looking at, half the screen was a green box. Is that how it still is? Apparently, both Samsung and KSLA don't seem to care about finding out the problem.

I just bought a Phillips 32" LCD at Sam's Club. It displays 12.2 and 12.3, as well as 6.1, all without a hitch.

12.1 has sound only. I cannot get a picture!

Come in, KSLA! CBS...We Have A Problem!!!

There must be a problem with the configuration.

windham9

07-13-07, 09:46 PM

I just bought a Phillips 32" LCD at Sam's Club. It displays 12.2 and 12.3, as well as 6.1, all without a hitch.

12.1 has sound only. I cannot get a picture!

Come in, KSLA! CBS...We Have A Problem!!!

There must be a problem with the configuration.

My Sony XBR-970 34" CRT has always been good with KSLA-HD. Has a small green line when they are SD. Returned a RCA last year that wouldn't properly resolve KSLA-HD. Perhaps Sony could use this to promote sales here? CBS 19 KYTX doesn't have this issue.

Steve_Smith

07-13-07, 10:57 PM

At least, after tomorrow, my D* box will tune 12.1 without a problem.

nyvram

07-16-07, 05:27 PM

Any news on how Comcast is in Monroe these days? Have they 'upped' the # of digital stations they provide via QAM or anything? I get almost 100 in Nashville including 8 HD. My parents got..13..last time I checked and they pay an enormous amount of money for their monthly service.

Ronald_Jeremy

07-16-07, 09:48 PM

At least, after tomorrow, my D* box will tune 12.1 without a problem.
Hey, the engineer at KSLA emailed me back.

Can you do a complete rescan and see if it resolves the issue with 12.1?

I am not where I can get to the TV and won't be able to for a few days.

nyvram

07-17-07, 01:10 PM

Hey all,

Thought this info would be useful for those in the Monroe market looking at options:

Analog
- Comcast limited basic..................$9.46/mo
- Comcast expanded/full/basic ......$50.55/mo

Internet
- Comcast Cable "lite"...................$24.95/mo
- Comcast Cable..........................$52.95/mo

Digital
- "Starter" (basically they install a box so you can order PPV..but no digi channels are provided at this level)...........$33/mo (6 mo intro), afterward $50.90/mo
- "Digital Preferred" (all digi 120-240 except prem like HBO)........................................................ ....................$47.95/mo (6 mo intro) afterward $65.50/mo
- "Digital Preferred+" (all digi + some movie channels)................................................... ................................$57/mo (intro) afterward $75/mo
- Higher tier (my eyes glossed over at this point..something like $120 or something)

HD Option (Motorola dch3416..or Scientific Atlanta?? Which is better?)
- Add $6.95/mo to "preferred" or HIGHER (not digi starter) to get HD tuner inside the digi-box they provide
or
- Add $11.95/mo to "preferred" or HIGHER to get HD/DVR inside the digi-box w/ 80 hours record time

-------------------------------------

The HD you get include "Fox Sportsouth HD" for Saints games

I'm going to bite the bullet; my parents already pay $50.55 + $24.95 Internet today. I've just moved them to the AT&T/Bellsouth $10/mo DSL so I'm nixing the Comcast internet and for a 6 mo. trial they're going to get $48 + $12 = $60/mo for all 10 or so HD channels plus the ability to record (including Saints games!) until Jan..then we'll have to decide it $75/mo it worth it to get a DVR & the extra HD & digital channels.

TIVO wants something ridiculous like $500 for a HD-DVR + $16/mo for channel guide..and you have to hassle w/ installing cablecards and compatibility issues. NO THANK YOU. TIVO has effectively shot themselves in the foot..I love my REPLAYTV but the ability of the DVR to record the DIGI & HD channels..and that if there's any problem comcast just brings out a new box for FREE overrides the hassle of a non-optimal UI. Ok Comcast. You WIN. :( For $12/mo I get both the DVR and the channel guide for less than Tivos "best plan" (3 year pre-pay) of $12/mo JUST FOR THE CHANNEL GUIDE.

NO BRAINER.

KeithAR2002

07-17-07, 04:34 PM

10 pm KALB's NBC/CBS-5 "dual 1080i" is strong, 98%. Waiting to see if Leno/Letterman both look good. 48.1 WNTZ, KTVE, KNOE strong too.

10:35pm KALB Leno is HD, Dave ain't. Fail to switch on CBS side only? Is CBS ever HD on KALB?

I think the Superbowl was in HD on KALB-CBS, but that's the only time, I think. They could have at least built a separate transmitter for CBS :rolleyes:

Speaking of tropo....I locked in KETK-DT last Friday evening, and noticed L&O: CI wasn't in HD. What was their problem?

KeithAR2002

07-17-07, 04:40 PM

nyvram

07-17-07, 08:02 PM

nyvram,

Wow, those prices are steep for the very few HD channels they carry! Comcast in Monroe doesn't even carry NBC-HD... but I don't think any cable system carries them. I pay 85 a month for Directv... I have 1 HD-DVR, 1 SD-DVR, 2 HD receivers.... soon, they'll be adding over 100 HD channels at no extra charge. Currently, I receive the Little Rock networks in SD, and HD networks from NYC. I gues the reason I prefer Directv over cable is the advantage of having access to the big 4 in HD..something that isn't possible on cable in the Monroe market :(

That is steep? I really haven't researched all the sat-companies. I know they're paying $50/mo now for analog..so if I can get them digi/hd (and most importantly..Saints!) for 6 months for $48/mo (+ $12/mo to rent HD-DVR) I think thats the way to go right now for them. I can reassess in Jan. when they up the monthly fee to $65/mo.

So, you think it might be worth switching them to a sat system in the near future and getting rid of comcast entirely? I'm not opposed to that idea if they can get a HD-DVR and my dad can DVR his beloved Saints this fall.

ken984

07-17-07, 08:38 PM

Fox sports south will NOT be carrying any regular season Saints games, maybe some preseason games but ALL of those will be on the NFL network also, so there is no advantage there really. All regular season Saints games will be on Fox/CBS/NBC/ESPN. If you lived in N.O. you might get an ESPN Saints game on an OTA channel, but if you are outside of the home market you have to have ESPN to see it.

Hey all,

Thought this info would be useful for those in the Monroe market looking at options:

Analog
- Comcast limited basic..................$9.46/mo
- Comcast expanded/full/basic ......$50.55/mo

Internet
- Comcast Cable "lite"...................$24.95/mo
- Comcast Cable..........................$52.95/mo

Digital
- "Starter" (basically they install a box so you can order PPV..but no digi channels are provided at this level)...........$33/mo (6 mo intro), afterward $50.90/mo
- "Digital Preferred" (all digi 120-240 except prem like HBO)........................................................ ....................$47.95/mo (6 mo intro) afterward $65.50/mo
- "Digital Preferred+" (all digi + some movie channels)................................................... ................................$57/mo (intro) afterward $75/mo
- Higher tier (my eyes glossed over at this point..something like $120 or something)

HD Option (Motorola dch3416..or Scientific Atlanta?? Which is better?)
- Add $6.95/mo to "preferred" or HIGHER (not digi starter) to get HD tuner inside the digi-box they provide
or
- Add $11.95/mo to "preferred" or HIGHER to get HD/DVR inside the digi-box w/ 80 hours record time

-------------------------------------

The HD you get include "Fox Sportsouth HD" for Saints games

I'm going to bite the bullet; my parents already pay $50.55 + $24.95 Internet today. I've just moved them to the AT&T/Bellsouth $10/mo DSL so I'm nixing the Comcast internet and for a 6 mo. trial they're going to get $48 + $12 = $60/mo for all 10 or so HD channels plus the ability to record (including Saints games!) until Jan..then we'll have to decide it $75/mo it worth it to get a DVR & the extra HD & digital channels.

TIVO wants something ridiculous like $500 for a HD-DVR + $16/mo for channel guide..and you have to hassle w/ installing cablecards and compatibility issues. NO THANK YOU. TIVO has effectively shot themselves in the foot..I love my REPLAYTV but the ability of the DVR to record the DIGI & HD channels..and that if there's any problem comcast just brings out a new box for FREE overrides the hassle of a non-optimal UI. Ok Comcast. You WIN. :( For $12/mo I get both the DVR and the channel guide for less than Tivos "best plan" (3 year pre-pay) of $12/mo JUST FOR THE CHANNEL GUIDE.

NO BRAINER.

nyvram

07-17-07, 08:54 PM

SHergenrader

07-17-07, 11:09 PM

Now I'm really confused..so how will we get Saints games in HD? Will they show on ESPN-HD or regular ESPN? Digital or analog or HD?

How does the NFL Network work? Do you get your 'local market' game? Is it hi-def? Is it PPV? ???

I'm very confused now.

Here's the 2007 schedule...so are you telling me all those FOX dates we'll have to watch in SD?

http://www.southendzone.com/schedule/?t=NOS&z=0

ESPN has Monday Night Football and all of their games are in HD. NBC has Sunday Night Football and all of their games are in HD. If neither of those are showing the Saints then you will see them on Sunday afternoon mainly on FOX unless they are playing an AFC team at home and then they will be on CBS. Most of the games on CBS and FOX are in HD so most likely all Saints games this year will be in HD.

windham9

07-17-07, 11:45 PM

I think the Superbowl was in HD on KALB-CBS, but that's the only time, I think. They could have at least built a separate transmitter for CBS :rolleyes:

Speaking of tropo....I locked in KETK-DT last Friday evening, and noticed L&O: CI wasn't in HD. What was their problem?

They also snoozed one night last week, all of Leno/Conan, Fri. night I believe. Siestas also taken by KSLA, Letterman and Y&R. Seems that only CBS/NBC have this problem, guess 99% is "good enough"? Unless that 1% is during a favorite game or show. FOX & ABC are like 99.99%. Maybe 720p is auto switching, 1080i is manual only?

10:35 PM Leno & Letterman all HD- KTAL KETK KSLA KYTX
Good job all, Thanks!

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nyvram

07-18-07, 12:45 AM

Most of the games on CBS and FOX are in HD so most likely all Saints games this year will be in HD.

Except that the local Fox affiliate in Monroe isn't HD. So I'm back to square one. No HD-Saints this fall. :( Looks like the comcast-digi package isn't going to do squat for us. I guess the only other option is that ridiculous direct-tv $70 nfl package..and still no guarantee the games will all be HD.

Am I missing something here? Is there seriously no way anyone in Monroe, LA can watch the Saints all season in HD b/c the crummy little Fox affiliate has no interest in bringing their station up in HD?

This is the whole entire reason I bought the stupid HDTV last March in the first place. This is the one & only thing my dad even CARES to watch and it looks like he might get the odd game or 2 this season in HD and thats it.

nyvram

07-18-07, 01:03 AM

WELL CRUD. Even paying $70/mo extra for Sunday ticket (if I had directv) won't do it. This is unbelievable.

Thanks alot KARD you MORONS for leaving the Saints without HD the one or 2 years they're actually a decent team. :( {fx: smoke coming from ears}

Games Available on NFL SUNDAY TICKET
Because of NFL and broadcast network requirements outside of DIRECTV's control, games broadcast by your local FOX or CBS station will not be available on channels in the 700s. You must tune to your local FOX or CBS station to watch those games. DIRECTV is required to enforce this rule to ALL of its customers, including customers in areas where DIRECTV does not offer local channels.

I guess they'll maybe go HD sometime in 2008..you know..when NOTHING of interest is on the network. NO ONE watches the NFL on Fox anyway, right? Why in the world would they want to go HD prior to NFL season? Let's drag our feet some more, shall we?

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KeithAR2002

07-18-07, 01:46 AM

Definitely blame Nex$tar Broadcasting for dragging their feet on full power DT and HD. All they want are $$$$ from advertisting...they don't care about the viewers they serve. I predict that KARD-DT will be full power around the time they are forced to shut down analog KARD.... It won't surprise me one bit if we see KARD-DT at full power at 12:00AM on February 18, 2009.

KTVE is owned in part by Nex$tar, and it's a miracle that they're even at full power, much less putting out any HD. Heck, half the time, KTVE doesn't know what their doing when it comes to operating a digital facility. I don't know if it's the engineering staff, master control, or just the entire employee compliment in general, but it's definitely a miracle that they're even on the air digitally!

I'm fortunate enough that I live on the edge of the Monroe DMA, and I live in a good area of the city elevation wise, that I can get KTBS (ABC-HD), KMSS (FOX-HD) and KTAL (NBC-HD) from the Shreveport market and I don't have to subject myself to the unprofessionalism and incompetence of the Monroe stations. Also, I wouldn't count on seeing the Monroe ABC affiliate doing anything digitally until they're forced to, either.

I can't really say anything negative about KNOE..except for the fact that they broadcast their digital signal on VHF 7, and it's pretty much impossible to get a signal from up here. I think KNOE has been doing CBS-HD since 02 or 03, and at least they try to do things right. I think the cable system here offers KNOE-HD on cable, but it's the only network they offer in HD, and I wasn't about to shell out all the extra money for just CBS.

Anyway, enough of my ranting about the Monroe affiliates :) I really think you should look into satellite for your parents. With a couple tricks, they would have access to the NYC networks (WNBC, WCBS, WABC and WNYW) in HD.

A while back, after following the advice of a few members here, I simply "moved" to an area where OTA digital isn't possible. I moved my service address to Mena, Arkansas... a little town within the Little Rock DMA in the middle of the Ouachita mountains... and any address with a Mena zipcode is automatically eligible for the NYC networks in HD, plus the LR locals in SD.

After doing a little research, I could have "moved" to DeQueen, AR...which is in the Shreveport DMA, but was still eligible for the NYC networks in HD. Sorry for the long post, but I just wanted to give you some options for your parents.

Long story short, the process may sound complicated..I thought it was too complicated to mess with at first, but it really isn't. Do a search on the AVS forum for "moving"... there is plenty of info about it. This is pretty much the only way of getting the networks in HD.... and as far as Sunday Ticket goes, I don't use it very often, so I can't really say anything about it, but perhaps someone else on here can chime in about it :confused:

KeithAR2002

07-18-07, 01:59 AM

They also snoozed one night last week, all of Leno/Conan, Fri. night I believe. Siestas also taken by KSLA, Letterman and Y&R. Seems that only CBS/NBC have this problem, guess 99% is "good enough"? Unless that 1% is during a favorite game or show. FOX & ABC are like 99.99%. Maybe 720p is auto switching, 1080i is manual only?

10:35 PM Leno & Letterman all HD- KTAL KETK KSLA KYTX
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I find it really strange that all the 720p networks do so well when it comes to flipping the switch, technical problems, etc., but the others don't do so well. I know KTVE-HD does a poor job in keeping the "switch" turned on. I didn't think they had "manual" anymore..... I think it's just the lack of training on the equipment that causes the problem.

nyvram

07-18-07, 02:30 AM

ken984

07-18-07, 09:27 AM

The thing is it is possible that your local fox could provide HD to the local cable company, Fox installed all the equipment the station needs to receive network HD about 2 years ago, so they have the signal. Getting your station or cable company to honestly tell you whether or not they can or will do it in time for football is another thing. Also, I am not sure why or how but I got ALL the Cowboys games in HD from ST on D* last year, even though they were on KMSS, so although they do not advertise it you might get them anyway.

windham9

07-18-07, 02:32 PM

Last year when Dallas & N.O. had conflicting games, KMSS put up the Saints once I know, Dallas had a low rated game that day. I attend the home games , so half the time I don't see what aired. I posted earlier the upcoming dates they conflict this year. Flex scheduling may help. With Dallas & N.O. fans in the same area, both are NFC teams, somebody will be mad at KMSS.

KeithAR2002

07-18-07, 04:28 PM

nyvram,

You should still be able to get all your OTA channels with a Directv box. With mine, I can receive program info for two markets. Even though my "service" address is in the LR DMA, I have the box programmed so I can receive Shreveport and Monroe OTA.

I don't think the Shreveport HD locals are on any sat provider, Directv may carry them next year. If you "moved" to DeQueen, for example, your address would receive the Shreveport locals in SD, and you would also be eligible for the distant HD networks from NY, because DeQueen is so far away from the Shreveport transmitters.

Dish Network has quite a few markets in HD available, but I don't know very much about Dish. I think Ronald_Jeremy on here "moved" to Chicago with Dish Network, in order to get NBC-HD, he probably can provide some info about Dish.

KeithAR2002

07-18-07, 04:40 PM

ken984 is probably right about Sunday Ticket... I think Directv blocks out games based on your service address... so even if KMSS broadcasted a Saints game, I would think someone with a DeQueen "service" address should be eligible for all the Saints games in HD on Sunday Ticket, since DeQueen is so far away from the Shreveport towers (local HD not available OTA), a service address there would theoretically be eligible for all the games on ST. It definitely sounds complicated, but there aren't very many other options.

Since KARD-DT doesn't broadcast any HD, I wonder if Monroe would be eligible for the Saints games in HD on Sunday Ticket?

Ronald_Jeremy

07-18-07, 05:15 PM

Thanks Keith.

As usual you are a veritable fount of knowledge on this. One more question; is the Shreveport FOX HD affiliate carried by a sat. provider? If we "moved" to Shreveport (or DeQueen) and can get those local channels in HD via sat box, we could still feed in local KNOE, etc OTA right?NVRAM, are you currently getting the 129 satellite?

First, Dish nor DTV offer Shreveport market locals in HD.

There are very limited HD Local feeds from Dish that are not on spot beams. 129 carries a few major markets on national spot beams. The best one is Nashville, TN. It is in this time zone and it is in the south! :D

I still do 90% of my HD watching on my Shreveport/Bossier OTA locals, but now I have the backup of recording conflicts on the Nashville stations.

Just check to see if you get 129, then call dish and tell them you are temporarily going to be in Nashville for work and give them a new service address in Nashville. There is an address lookup on their site to see if it is a serviceable Nashville address. Tell them you set up the dishes yourself and it is working fine. You just need to get your locals changed.

You are going to keep your billing address the same so the bill will come to your permanent home.

Ronald_Jeremy

07-18-07, 05:18 PM

SAMSUNG Owners That are having problems with KSLA.

KSLA is playing with their PSIP data and I cannot get to the problem TV.

Can you guys do a full re-scan and see if 12.1 will come in fine? Also report your model numbers.

Also, the recent Philips guy that couldn't get a picture, same for you.

Thanks

ken984

07-18-07, 08:42 PM

The thing is the blackout rules are weird. I had not been able to get any of the Cowboys games from ST when they were on KMSS a cpl years back, but last season I had a choice of either KMSS or ST, so somehow either they "overlooked" the blackouts last season or they changed the rules. They probably just overlooked it and now that I have let the cat out of the bag it won't work this season...LOL.

KeithAR2002

07-19-07, 01:21 AM

I've always had a problem trying to figure out all the blackout rules. Why is the NFL so strict when it comes to blackouts? For example, when the Cowboys and Saints played at Independence stadium last season, the game wasn't sold out, and I remember hearing that the game could not be broadcasted anywhere within 75 miles from the stadium. I guess they really, really want fans to see the games in person.

Ronald_Jeremy,

How many HD markets does Dish have on CONUS? One thing about Directv is that they only have NYC and LA on CONUS, which is the main disadvantage. I bet Dish is being pretty cautious now since they got in trouble over the DNS thing. Do you only get the big 4 from Nashville?

Ronald_Jeremy

07-20-07, 12:40 AM

Looks like there are 9 CONUS hd markets in 129. And yes I only get the big 4 for Nashville.

Here are the HD channels/markets on 129.

http://www.lyngsat.com/hd/echo5.html

KeithAR2002

07-22-07, 05:49 PM

Thanks for the link, Ronald_J. I didn't see NYC on there... I find it odd that they carry all those other markets on CONUS, but not the NYC stations.

digiblur

07-22-07, 06:57 PM

look on 61.5 and you will find the east coast conus hd markets.

Steve_Smith

07-25-07, 10:45 PM

Ron,

I still can't get 12.1 on the Phillips 32" LCD. I can get the other sub channels (12.3, for example.)

KeithAR2002

07-26-07, 12:10 AM

Thanks for the info, digiblur. I kind of wish I signed up with Dish instead of D* last year after seeing all the markets Dish has on CONUS :( Heck, I ought to just sign up for Bell ExpressVu, and get both east and west coast feeds, but I imagine that would be a bit of trouble for just being able to have access to the LA networks. Wasn't it you that posted those Heroes screenshots in HD that were from Global? I can't remember. I thought you had Dish network.

KeithAR2002

07-26-07, 12:11 AM

Just wondering about KSLA, but do their engineers even reply to emails regarding all the problems with their signal being incompatible with certain TV models?

SHergenrader

07-26-07, 11:38 AM

Ron,

I still can't get 12.1 on the Phillips 32" LCD. I can get the other sub channels (12.3, for example.)

A friend of mine has a Philips 42 inch plasma and he is unable to get 12.1. You can hear the sound but no picture. 12.2 and 12.3 come in fine. Firmware was upgraded on it but that didn't solve the problem.

Ronald_Jeremy

07-26-07, 03:56 PM

Ron,

I still can't get 12.1 on the Phillips 32" LCD. I can get the other sub channels (12.3, for example.)
Did you do a fresh scan so it will load new PSIP data?

SHergenrader

07-27-07, 11:25 AM

Did you do a fresh scan so it will load new PSIP data?

Doing a rescan doesn't correct the problem. I'm not sure what's the deal. 12.1 is there. You can hear sound of it but there is just a blank screen.

nyvram

07-27-07, 01:05 PM

Ok, I'm getting ready to make a move for my parents. The QAM/limited comcast stuff is no longer a viable solution.

Keith argues I should go with DirectTV or DISH. I see the best bang-for-the-buck there, but I worry about the setup and ability to get local stations in Monroe.

OTOH, my parents pay $50/mo now for comcast analog..I can switch them to the comcast digital plan for $49/mo for 6 mos..plus another $12/mo to include HD-DVD recording in the cable box itself.

Considering that I want the easiest/cheapest solution for hd recording; do you think we should go w/ satellite? The problem is I live in Nashville and can't drop by to fix issues when they happen. If they cant call comcast to come out & say..swap out a dead dvr..that might be the deal-clincher of sticking with comca$t.

I'd love to hear about people's experience w/ HD in Monroe either with satellite or Comcast..including HD or digital signal recording.

Thanks

PS We just got their $10/mo AT&T DSL working..so we're in the process of cancelling the comcast broadband part of their bill..now we gotta make a decision on the rest of the comcast bill.

PPS ANyone recently upgrade their servcie in the Monroe area to add a cable HD-DVR? DO you konw what model Comcast is giving out? I need to learn up on it if we go this path so my parents won't get overwhelmed with having to learn a new PVR UI.

Thanks! COmcast was no help. All the rep said was "We're phasing out the MOtorola boxes in favor of Scientific Atlanta" but offered absolutely no details as to what model or anything else.

KeithAR2002

07-28-07, 01:36 AM

nyvram

07-28-07, 03:16 AM

Hey nyvram,

Well, it's good to hear that you are considering satellite for your parents. The thing about this thread is that I'm probably the only one left on here that actually lives in the Monroe DMA, and I live barely within the DMA, unfortunately. There used to be a few Monroe/NE LA guys in here, but I haven't seen a post from any of them in a while.

There was one poster on here that lived in Monroe that had Directv HD. He had an OTA antenna setup, and with the antenna connected to his Directv box, he was able to get all the Monroe stations (LPB-HD, KNOE-HD, KTVE-HD, KARD-DT) and the Arkansas PBS station in El Dorado. He also "moved" to the Mena address in the Little Rock DMA, in order to pick up the NYC stations in HD... he did it because, at the time, CBS was the only network available in HD in Monroe, but that's all I know! You might could look back at some old posts in the thread... look for posts under the username "dsims".

KTVE has a message board that is suppose to be for Ark-La-Miss HDTV that I used to help moderate, I think that I saw a few posts from you over there, though. I finally left that board because it seemed like I was the only one there answering questions, lol.

It's really too bad that KARD is dragging their feet with digital TV, but it's not too surprising. It would be nice if the New Orleans locals were in HD on Directv... actually, NBC, ABC, and CBS from New Orleans are available in HD for the New Orleans DMA, but, of course, they don't have FOX available! Even if WVUE (NOLA's FOX) was available, the spotbeam for the New Orleans locals would be a real stretch to North Louisiana. I'm sorry that I really can't be of anymore help! All I can offer is that maybe you can research Sunday Ticket, and see if there's any way at all to get the Saints games on there.

Good luck, and maybe someone from Monroe will pop in here, or some of the Shreveport guys can offer some more help.

Thanks Keith,

I definitely appreciate your posts. I will do my best to keep posting the results of my 'experiment' with Monroe tv so that if anyone does pop by from the area they can benefit from that.

I did hang out at netlago(sp?) for a bit but like you said, nothing really going on there either.

I am really leaning more and more towards satellite at this point..I like the "sunrise HD" channel my neighbor showed me today on DISH and I can see my parents (retired) enjoying having that channel on during morning coffee. And like you say..it ain't like the Saints are going to be carried in HD anytime soon anyway. I might have to spring for an OTA antenna for the HD locals as long as the sat DVR can record those in HD. I got alot of research still to do I suppose. Now that I'm over the 'comcast only' idea..its almost like starting over again to see which satellite company will provide the most bang for the buck.

nyvram

07-28-07, 05:59 PM

Hey all,

Looks like I'm going with DISH.

They made me an offer I couldn't refuse; in short:

- $49.99 (for 20 months) gets us:
-- 200 channels
-- 32 HD channels (monster HD, Kung FU HD..lol. I'm sure there's a couple of good ones in there)
-- local channels (but not HD)
-- DVR which works for 2 TVs and records 30 hours HD/200 hours regular tv
-- free on-site installation & maintenance for 18 mos ($99/visit afterward)
-- all prices 'locked in' and guaranteed not to go up for those 18 mos.

Downside:
- have to mail in 2 rebates worth $200/each..one the day they come out to install DISH..the other we have to send in in month 10..to get the additional $200 (or $20/credit month) for the 2nd 10 months
- price goes up to $69.99 after 20 months
- if we drop DISH prior to 18/month contract fullfimment, chraged prorated rate of $13.33/mo for remaining months under contract
- locals in Monroe market NOT in HD yet..rep says 'coming soon' (yeah right)
- no Saints in HD when on FOX (sounds like we don't have a choice on this no matter which tv service we go with)

They're coming out Friday to install..I'm going to Monroe at the same time so hopefully by this weekend I'll have a full report of how well/poor it went. We also have 30-days to cancel & send everything back with no penalty should it not work out.

The rep also said they're on the verge of rolling out another 60 HD channels which we would get automatically as part of this package in the next 2 months. I'll believe it when I see it.

windham9

07-28-07, 07:50 PM

The rest of the Cup Series races that are not on free tv (ESPN), will be on Nascar.com free. Streaming video not HD quality of course.

dsims

07-30-07, 09:28 AM

Been a long time since I posted but just saw this thead again. Nyvram, I live in West Monroe and have Directv, just upgraded to the new 5 lnb dish so I can get the new national HD channels in September. As Keith was saying I "moved" my service address to Mena AR to get the NY local affiliated is HD. This has been great because I dont have to depend on my horrible local stations to get me HD. Also I have the Little Rock locals available in standard definition but they should be HD be early next year. Sunday ticket was blacking out games if it was shown in your local market on the standard definition feed but last year if you had superfan which was the HD feeds they did not black the games out. It is constantly changing with D* but I guess since you have Dish now it doesnt matter.

dsims

07-30-07, 09:29 AM

Just a sidenote, KNOE needs to get a little stronger signal for those who live on the fringe but other than than they really do a great job with there HD feed as does PBS.

nyvram

07-31-07, 12:11 PM

Thanks dsims,

How hard is it to pull in local OTA HD channels..and still use the 622 DVR that DISH provides? Will you be able to record those OTA HD channels with the DVR as well or are those for 'viewing only'.

Is this the issue that caused you to "move" to Mena so you could pick up the national networks in HD? I think I'm starting to put the pieces together here...man this stuff is a MINEFIELD!!!!!

dsims

07-31-07, 02:55 PM

I am not familiar with the Dish 622 but I am pretty sure you can record the OTA channels and use them for viewing just as any other station. I moved my address about two years ago because at the time there was just KNOE HD but now things are slowly coming along where there is at least PBS HD, NBC HD, and a pathetic digital signal from FOX.

Berryboy1

07-31-07, 03:41 PM

Yes, you can record OTA channels with the Dish 622.

KeithAR2002

07-31-07, 05:09 PM

dsims, I haven't seen you in awhile! Welcome back! "Moving" to Mena to get the NYC networks was my idea, too. I got tired of being a "viewer slave" to our local stations..lol. And at least with the NYC stations, you don't have to worry about cut-ins due to election results, weather maps, etc.

I also agree that KNOE-DT needs a better signal up here towrd my area. I get an OK picture on analog 8, so I'm pretty sure if their DT signal was on UHF, I wouldn't have a problem with them. Using VHF for DTV is a poor decision.

nyvram

07-31-07, 05:15 PM

Ok, thought I'd share a few thoughts on my DISH experience so far for any fellow monroe-i-yans who wander by:

- If your dish points to satellite 129..make sure its 'peaked' properly because the satellite is ailing (falling out of orbit maybe?) and could result in break-ups of the signal. I noticed there's a page in the manual that shows you how to see the current 'signal strength' of your dish so it sounds like you should hang out with the installer & make sure that signal strength indicator is as strong as possible.

- If you buy a DVR plan now, you'll get a 622 which is decent, but on Aug 15 2007 in addition to the plans/specials changing, the 722 will come out which has at least 3 new features over 622: 1. 55 HD recording hours vs. 30, 2. ethernet/broadband connector instead of phone line, 3. HD VOD..622 only does VOD but not HD.

- The 622 dual-tuner scares me to death..I hope my parents are not totally confused by the UI of operating 2 TVs..if so we might just kill the second TV and forgo all the 'tv1/tv2' features for the sake of their sanity.

- Monroe gets SD locals via DISH $5/mo plan..but if we can tune OTA HD via antenna..I can drop that option perhaps and still record the HD via DVR?

- DISH is moving everything to MPG4 on Aug 15..thus freeing up the ability to store more HD (the shows will take up less room) and also to transmit another 15 HD channels using the freed up space requjired currently for MPG2. This is true at least of teh VOOM HD channels. Older DVR/recievers from DISH might not support MPG4 however so you might have to upgrade.

- I can't wait until Aug 15 to get the 722 b/c 1. I've arranged vacatino to Monroe for this weekend already and 2. The rates/plans/dvr rental cost may change on this date and I risk not getting the same deal as I am now..which basically FREE INSTALL, $49/mo for 20 months for 200 channels, locals & HD DVR....after 20 months, the price will increase by $20/mo but I'm guaranteed the rates are 'locked in' until Jan 2009 although we had to get an 18-month commitment to get that.

windham9

07-31-07, 08:56 PM

KSHV's old primary channel at 44.3 was 1080i, but never passed any HD. It's been out for months, likely to never return. Former "subchannel" 44.4 in 480i is all that works now.

KSHV now at 44.2, 720p. Perhaps they might pass some HD soon? Conversion to 720p because KMSS owns them? 44.4 at 480i still present as well.

haley-SEA

07-31-07, 10:29 PM

haley-SEA

07-31-07, 10:40 PM

KeithAR2002

08-01-07, 12:48 AM

KSHV now at 44.2, 720p. Perhaps they might pass some HD soon? Conversion to 720p because KMSS owns them? 44.4 at 480i still present as well.

Even though MyNet doesn't have much, it would still be excellent to have another HD choice down in Shreveport. I've never seen KSHV-DT from my location, most likely because their signal pattern goes from NW to SE...And broadcasting at 500kw doesn't help the situation, either :rolleyes:

KeithAR2002

08-01-07, 12:50 AM

All the Shreveport locals (DT) except KSHV and (due to KVTN-25 analog) KLTS making the trip near the SE Arkansas Delta. KTBS was decoding well into midafternoon and came back in between 5:30-6:00pm.

Keith, it could be a long night :p

It has been a pretty good day today :) RXed DT's from Tyler, TX...down to Alexandria... all the way to Jackson, MS this evening. I only wish Houston would make its way up here again :p

KeithAR2002

08-01-07, 12:56 AM

I happened upon KALB-DT this evening, and noticed they are finally broadcasting NBC-HD and CBS-HD simultaneously.

KALB 5-1 was broadcasting Leno on NBC 1080i
KALB 5-2 was broadcasting Letterman on CBS 1080i

The PQ looked OK on both channels, but this was only after a minute or two of viewing.. and neither Leno or Letterman had much movement going on at the time. I think KALB has a system that just automatically allocates bandwidth to whatever channel need more.

Notice in this screencap, the bitrate for the two channels. Coming in at a whopping 8.3mps each! :eek:

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/3176/kalbbitratezr2.th.jpg (http://img405.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kalbbitratezr2.jpg)

Wouldn't you like to watch football on those channels?

Here's a screencap of the bitrate for KTAL:

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/533/ktalbitratevf1.th.jpg (http://img175.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ktalbitratevf1.jpg)

Notice that they're only dedicating 13 or so mps for their HD channel.

Now, here are screencaps of KETK's bitrate (signal made a brief visit to my location) and KTVE, respectively.

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/1904/ketkbitratexs3.th.jpg (http://img174.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ketkbitratexs3.jpg)
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/3540/ktvebitratenohdwo6.th.jpg (http://img122.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ktvebitratenohdwo6.jpg)

Notice how their bitrates are exactly the same (14.3 mps). Here I was, complaining about how pixelated KTVE-HD looked... it sure beats the heck out of 8 mps :D

Of course, KTVE isn't broadcasting in HD tonight (as usual). Their night crew sucks, apparently.... every time they go offline, it's at night... I always send an email to the station about it, and it's usually back on the next day, but it seems like they're getting worse. At least they're braodcasting "Today" in HD, finally. That is, of course, when they are in 16:9 1080i mode.

haley-SEA

08-01-07, 08:07 AM

I happened upon KALB-DT this evening, and noticed they are finally broadcasting NBC-HD and CBS-HD simultaneously.

KALB 5-1 was broadcasting Leno on NBC 1080i
KALB 5-2 was broadcasting Letterman on CBS 1080i

The PQ looked OK on both channels, but this was only after a minute or two of viewing.. and neither Leno or Letterman had much movement going on at the time. I think KALB has a system that just automatically allocates bandwidth to whatever channel need more.

Notice in this screencap, the bitrate for the two channels. Coming in at a whopping 8.3mps each! :eek:

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/3176/kalbbitratezr2.th.jpg (http://img405.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kalbbitratezr2.jpg)

Wouldn't you like to watch football on those channels?

Probally not ....

As bad as the overcrowded KALB streams are, I can tell you one even worse than that. KXII in Sherman Texas operates CBS (1080i), MNTV (SD), and FOX (720i).

I found that station one morning while in a DX session a few months ago.

It was nice being able to sample actual HD programming from Sheveport, KMSS looked good on House, KTAL was hidioius with the TNT-style "upconvert" (that singing show before 9pm--KARK was also coming in but with OAR) plus Law and Order (forget which version) @ 9pm dropping back to SD after a few minutes. KTBS and KSLA though were stuck with SD shows after 9pm.

Ronald_Jeremy

08-01-07, 12:25 PM

- If you buy a DVR plan now, you'll get a 622 which is decent, but on Aug 15 2007 in addition to the plans/specials changing, the 722 will come out which has at least 3 new features over 622: 1. 55 HD recording hours vs. 30, 2. ethernet/broadband connector instead of phone line, 3. HD VOD..622 only does VOD but not HD. On the 15th, external storage is coming for the 622. Supposedly up to 4 USB external drives simultaneously. Unlimited number of drives. There is a $39.99 one-time enabling fee for this. VOD will be HD on the VIP. It also has an ethernet port. Not sure what the current plans are for it.

- The 622 dual-tuner scares me to death..I hope my parents are not totally confused by the UI of operating 2 TVs..if so we might just kill the second TV and forgo all the 'tv1/tv2' features for the sake of their sanity. If you have it in dual mode, they will never know the difference.

- Monroe gets SD locals via DISH $5/mo plan..but if we can tune OTA HD via antenna..I can drop that option perhaps and still record the HD via DVR?If you don't subscribe to the locals, then your antenna locals will have no guide data. Gotta pay the $5 to get the guide.

windham9

08-01-07, 01:57 PM

Even though MyNet doesn't have much, it would still be excellent to have another HD choice down in Shreveport. I've never seen KSHV-DT from my location, most likely because their signal pattern goes from NW to SE...And broadcasting at 500kw doesn't help the situation, either :rolleyes:

KSHV still won't log at 45.1, no program info, "big sister" KMSS info has been an hour off forever. KPXJ does a much better job for a "minor" network station.

FOX44CE

08-01-07, 03:03 PM

KSHV now at 44.2, 720p. Perhaps they might pass some HD soon? Conversion to 720p because KMSS owns them? 44.4 at 480i still present as well.

KSHV has converted to 720p because My Network is 720p. (Operated by FOX)

The 7-9 PM block of My Network should be in 720p HD shortly.

PSIP is pending repair and when it is complete KSHV should map as 44.1 (720p) and 44.2 (480i) - This is used to feed the Mooringsport transmitter site SD channel.

windham9

08-01-07, 04:32 PM

KSHV has converted to 720p because My Network is 720p. (Operated by FOX)

The 7-9 PM block of My Network should be in 720p HD shortly.

PSIP is pending repair and when it is complete KSHV should map as 44.1 (720p) and 44.2 (480i) - This is used to feed the Mooringsport transmitter site SD channel.

This is great news for MyNet, I also get it on 51.2, but thats always gonna be 480i. Maybe IFL will be in HD!

ken984

08-01-07, 11:46 PM

KPXJ is run by KTBS, so that explains the great tech work they do. KTBS is the best.

KeithAR2002

08-02-07, 01:15 AM

It was nice being able to sample actual HD programming from Sheveport, KMSS looked good on House, KTAL was hidioius with the TNT-style "upconvert" (that singing show before 9pm--KARK was also coming in but with OAR) plus Law and Order (forget which version) @ 9pm dropping back to SD after a few minutes. KTBS and KSLA though were stuck with SD shows after 9pm.

KTAL was SD until Leno I think... the ironic thing was that, at 9PM (during L&O SVU), KTAL was in SD, and KTVE was in HD. Then, when I turned over during Leno, KTAL was fixed, but KTVE was in SD, as they usually are.... just like tonight. I popped another email over to the engineer at KTVE this evening, asking him to please counsel his night time operators on keeping the HD running. I have to to give him credit, they're okay during the day, at least NBC Nightly News is shown properly!

KeithAR2002

08-02-07, 01:17 AM

KPXJ is run by KTBS, so that explains the great tech work they do. KTBS is the best.

I second that opinion! I seldom have a problem with KTBS. Whenever they do have a problem, it is always circumstances out of their control. All the other stations that have constant problems every week (or more), I contribute that to poor training or laziness.

KeithAR2002

08-02-07, 01:20 AM

"big sister" KMSS info has been an hour off forever.

The only way I've been able to remedy their time problem is retrieving the time from another station. If I manually mess with the time, it always screws up the other stations. You would think that KMSS would have fixed this problem by now.

digiblur

08-02-07, 01:56 AM

digiblur

08-02-07, 02:02 AM

Hey all,

Looks like I'm going with DISH.

They made me an offer I couldn't refuse; in short:

Where are you going to "move" to? They have a few markets to pick from on 129W. Transponder 9 on 119, Birmingham AL, might cover your area too.

digiblur

08-02-07, 02:10 AM

I upgraded to the Vip211 and the Dish 1000 in May. The 129 channels are a bit tricky and were dropping out until I checked each channel and found the sweet spot (keeping those about even in signal levels). It helps to have the dish pole mounted where DIY peaking is easy :D . My local installer, used a signal meter that didnt' have the 129 Sats, and after reading how to do the manual peaks didn't bother with a service call.

I cannot speak about the 622 DVR, but the 211 has an outstanding OTA receive, but its software is buggy and reboots are needed sometimes.

I am curious of what Dish will be offering on new HD Channels, hopefully not all RSN's and filler channels (MHD).

6 new HD channels were fired up on 61.5 and 129 today, they are currently in engineering mode only though. They are getting them ready for Aug 15. Not all of the HD is going MPEG4, just the VOOM's left over. The national HD on 110w is staying in MPEG2 HD for now.

129 is tricky, but you can get a separate Dish 500 just for 129. I have a motorized 90cm that picks up 129w just fine ;) So it can be done.

The 6 new HD's in Aug are below with more coming in Sept. Don't confuse Discovery HD theater with Discovery HD.

MHD (Requires AT100 and Dish HD package)
Discover HD (Requires AT100 and Dish HD package)
Learning Channel HD (Requires AT100 and Dish HD package)
Animal Planet HD (Requires AT200 plus DishHD package)
Science Channel in HD (Requires AT250 and Dish HD package)
GolfHD and VersusHD which will be sharing a channel (it comes this way) (Requires AT250 and Dish HD package)
History Channel HD Which launches September 1st (Requires AT100 and Dish HD package)

KeithAR2002

08-02-07, 02:54 AM

LOL! Someone was arguing me up and down in the Lake Charles thread stating it was going to look good. I'm sorry, stat muxing or not, two 1080i channels in an ATSC stream is going to look nasty!

TSReader's a nice tool... I use it for the QAM cable caps, ATSC caps, and QPSK/8PSK KU/DBS caps. Very powerful software....

Was it 1920x1080i or was it DirecTV style 1080i?

My tuner said "1920x1080" on KALB-NBC, and "1920x1088" on KALB-CBS. I noticed last night while NCIS was on KALB-CBS, that it was in 1080i 16:9, but NBC was only showing America's Got Talent (NOT!), and it's broadcasted in SD, so I figured KALB just broadcasted CBS-HD whenever NBC wasn't doing any. I thought there was just no way possible they would try it.

Then, I checked the signal around 11PM, and there it was, every HD enthusiasts nightmare. Tonight, KALB made its way back to my antenna..and I noticed unthinkable macroblocking when Brad Paisley was doing his performance.

On Letterman, I noticed that the usually sharp CBS-HD icon was fuzzy, even. Definitely worse than WCBS-HD on D*. I really feel sorry for the viewers that can only receive KALB-DT and LPB-DT :(

RE: TSReader... I agree it's a necessity to have, in my opinion!

FOX44CE

08-02-07, 01:11 PM

This is great news for MyNet, I also get it on 51.2, but thats always gonna be 480i. Maybe IFL will be in HD!

My Network has notified us (ComCorp) that IFL will be broadcast in HD with the start of the Fall season.

I am assured by the chief engineer (who works for me) that the station will be broadcasting My Network in HD by tomorrow and the PSIP will be fixed shortly.

digiblur

08-02-07, 04:10 PM

RE: TSReader... I agree it's a necessity to have, in my opinion![/QUOTE]

Check the resolution in TSReader. Open the PMT table and look for the video stream, you'll find the resolution.

This isn't an ATSC cap but you get the point.

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/5383/12226129tt8.th.jpg (http://img297.imageshack.us/my.php?image=12226129tt8.jpg)

Ronald_Jeremy

08-02-07, 04:38 PM

PSIP is pending repair and when it is complete KSHV should map as 44.1 (720p) and 44.2 (480i) - This is used to feed the Mooringsport transmitter site SD channel.This will be nice when this happens. My Dish VIP-622 OTA tuner will not scan 44 or 45 so no KSHV for me except for SD over the satellite.

windham9

08-02-07, 09:34 PM

The only way I've been able to remedy their time problem is retrieving the time from another station. If I manually mess with the time, it always screws up the other stations. You would think that KMSS would have fixed this problem by now.

When the time changes this fall, it will be right again. Kinda like the clock in my truck. :)
KMSS is the only major here with no subchannels. Gotta give them praise for that.
And they are getting KSHV is better shape too.

windham9

08-02-07, 09:59 PM

My Network has notified us (ComCorp) that IFL will be broadcast in HD with the start of the Fall season.

I am assured by the chief engineer (who works for me) that the station will be broadcasting My Network in HD by tomorrow and the PSIP will be fixed shortly.

IFL in HD beats reruns for sure! Free broadcast HDTV beats cable/sat. Advertisers need to learn their best dollars are spent with broadcast.
Thanks!

nyvram

08-02-07, 10:53 PM

Where are you going to "move" to? They have a few markets to pick from on 129W. Transponder 9 on 119, Birmingham AL, might cover your area too.

I don't know. :( I need to see how it all plays out. Any last words of wisdom before the instalelr shows up? I might try & bribe him to help me set up an OTA antenna while he's here or at least run the cables for one.

digiblur

08-02-07, 11:26 PM

I don't know. :( I need to see how it all plays out. Any last words of wisdom before the instalelr shows up? I might try & bribe him to help me set up an OTA antenna while he's here or at least run the cables for one.

Double check and triple check everything before you sign. I mean everything! Don't be scared you'll offend the installer. Don't accept anything less than a professional installation. Excellent reading before the installer shows up: http://www.dbsinstall.com/whatis/Whatisgood-1.asp

Don't "move" until you are sure everything works.....
Here's a list of markets on 129W...look for the ones in green.
http://www.lyngsat.com/packages/dish129.html (FYI, if you choose a different time zone, your receivers will set themselves to the time zone you move to)

And yes, I would get an OTA setup. You don't need an extra cable since diplexers can be used but it's always easier and more reliable with an extra cable just for OTA. Give your local broadcasters a chance, watch the HD you can get via OTA, but if you can't get your HD network via OTA then watch it via satellite.

FOX44CE

08-03-07, 04:33 PM

This will be nice when this happens. My Dish VIP-622 OTA tuner will not scan 44 or 45 so no KSHV for me except for SD over the satellite.

Once the PSIP is fixed your VIP-622 should scan in 44.1 as long as the signal strength is sufficient.

FOX44CE

08-03-07, 04:35 PM

When the time changes this fall, it will be right again. Kinda like the clock in my truck. :)
KMSS is the only major here with no subchannels. Gotta give them praise for that.
And they are getting KSHV is better shape too.

There is an upgrade that was shipped to KMSS/KSHV that was supposed to fix the daylight savings issue. I'll check with them to see if it was installed.

KeithAR2002

08-04-07, 01:50 AM

Check the resolution in TSReader. Open the PMT table and look for the video stream, you'll find the resolution.

This isn't an ATSC cap but you get the point.

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/5383/12226129tt8.th.jpg (http://img297.imageshack.us/my.php?image=12226129tt8.jpg)

Thanks for the tip! I'm still getting used to the program, actually. Do you have the free version? Isn't the pay version really, really expensive?

I really wish I could check out the bandwidth for the HD feeds on the local cable system. They only carry CBS-HD, though, and they have EVERYTHING scrambled. I had D* for over a year before I finally dropped cable....and their lack of HD was the straw that broke the camel's back.

KeithAR2002

08-04-07, 01:55 AM

When the time changes this fall, it will be right again. Kinda like the clock in my truck. :)
KMSS is the only major here with no subchannels. Gotta give them praise for that.
And they are getting KSHV is better shape too.

windham,

How strong is the KSHV-DT signal down there? I've never even received picture frame from them... sometimes when the tropo is strong to the southwest, I'll get a blip on the signal meter, but never anything strong enough for a lock, and I haven't received a reliable signal for CBS-HD OTA since the last week of July 06, when a translator station on CH 18 was off the air due to lightning, which allowed me to receive KSLA-HD. The translator signal is so strong at my location, that it bleeds into CH 17 :(

KeithAR2002

08-04-07, 01:57 AM

There is an upgrade that was shipped to KMSS/KSHV that was supposed to fix the daylight savings issue. I'll check with them to see if it was installed.

FOX44CE,

Thanks for all the updates you've posted regarding KMSS/KSHV. You're the only official station rep that posts in here. Just wondering, but where is KWKT located at?

digiblur

08-04-07, 03:17 AM

Thanks for the tip! I'm still getting used to the program, actually. Do you have the free version? Isn't the pay version really, really expensive?

I really wish I could check out the bandwidth for the HD feeds on the local cable system. They only carry CBS-HD, though, and they have EVERYTHING scrambled. I had D* for over a year before I finally dropped cable....and their lack of HD was the straw that broke the camel's back.

No I bought my copy about a year ago. I think it was 90 or so, but it was worth it since I watch a lot of content through it. Like the NBC football 35 megabit 4:2:2 HD feeds, 8PSK feeds with in the clear HD channels, MPEG4 HD feeds, etc.

windham9

08-04-07, 02:12 PM

windham,

How strong is the KSHV-DT signal down there? I've never even received picture frame from them... sometimes when the tropo is strong to the southwest, I'll get a blip on the signal meter, but never anything strong enough for a lock, and I haven't received a reliable signal for CBS-HD OTA since the last week of July 06, when a translator station on CH 18 was off the air due to lightning, which allowed me to receive KSLA-HD. The translator signal is so strong at my location, that it bleeds into CH 17 :(

KSHV & KSLA both at 89% now, 1pm. Generally KSLA is a little stronger than KSHV.

KYTX CBS19 is on CH 18, adjacent channels shouldn't be used so close, IMO.

nyvram

08-06-07, 02:35 PM

Is antennaweb wrong? I'm getting 5 OTA digital channels right now:

- KTVE-H (10.1)
- KTVE-S (10.2)
- LPB (13.1)
- LPB+2 (13.3)
- LPB-HD (13.5)

I can see the 13.5 is clearly HD..but what about the rest? Antennaweb tells me that KTVE is on channel 14.1? Am I reading the info wrong? I have to leave shortly so I don't know if we have more than one HD channel OTA.

Thanks

Assignment
* yellow - uhf KTVE-DT 14.1 NBC EL DORADO AR 343° 37.3 27
* green - uhf KLTM-DT 13.5 PBS MONROE LA 229° 3.2 19
* red - vhf KNOE-DT 7.1 CBS MONROE LA 179° 24.9 7
* red - vhf KETZ-DT 12 PBS El Dorado AR TBD 343° 37.3 12
* blue - uhf KAQY-DT 57.1 ABC COLUMBIA LA 190° 32.6 57
* blue - uhf KMCT-DT 39.1 IND WEST MONROE LA 234° 6.2 38

KeithAR2002

08-06-07, 07:50 PM

windham9

08-06-07, 10:15 PM

Once the PSIP is fixed your VIP-622 should scan in 44.1 as long as the signal strength is sufficient.

KSHV's PSIP is fixed, on the primary channel, still 44.2. 44.4 didn't have PSIP yet.

nyvram

08-07-07, 09:00 AM

antennaweb has a lot of outdated info, and a lot of wrong info..lol. I always wondered why they showed KTVE as 14.1. Where's KNOE-HD? Their signal should be pretty strong from 24 miles out. LPB (13.5), KTVE (10.1) and KNOE (8.1) are HD.... I don't understand why you aren't able to get KNOE, though. What kind of antenna are you using?

Its a temp...after DISH left we put a $9 Walmart rabbit ears antenna behind TV and it gets those channels..and locks them in pretty good. We haven't actually set up a 'real' antenna so thats probably why we're not getting KNOE.

It locks in LPB & KTVE pretty good though..signal strength around 75-80% and unless you go behind tv & jump around, it doesn't break up. This was a temp solution until we spent some time to actually get a real antenna..or see what DISH's local HD plans are for Monroe.

DISH is great btw, I love the VOOM networks and we filled my parent's DVR up with "HD Sunrises" off DIscovery theater before we left.

Also, it was very cool the Saints played a preseason game Sunday night on NFL network in HD. If nothing else, we recorded that & have it to show people even if the rest of the season is SD on FOX. :)

PS Was KTVE in HD last night? I asked my dad to check around 7pm and he said he still saw the 'gray bars' on either side..but I KNOW for a fact its 10.1 and 10.2 we're getting. LPB is so far ahead of the ball here..24/7 HD programming that looks super great. Lots of vibrant colors & interesting programming. Really should embarass the locals to get their act together but I guess they just don't care...

digiblur

08-07-07, 09:44 AM

This was a temp solution until we spent some time to actually get a real antenna..or see what DISH's local HD plans are for Monroe.

You might be waiting a while.... setup the OTA and "move" if you are missing some networks in HD.

lawmanjcl

08-07-07, 04:22 PM

FOX44CE

08-07-07, 06:43 PM

FOX44CE,

Thanks for all the updates you've posted regarding KMSS/KSHV. You're the only official station rep that posts in here. Just wondering, but where is KWKT located at?

KWKT FOX44 Waco, Tx
Lou Strowger
CE ComCorp/White Knight Broadcasting
(Owners of KMSS/KSHV)

KeithAR2002

08-08-07, 12:54 AM

.or see what DISH's local HD plans are for Monroe.

We won't see any local HD for a looonnnng time... all the networks need to be broadcasting it, something that is going to take an eternity, anyway :(

DISH is great btw, I love the VOOM networks and we filled my parent's DVR up with "HD Sunrises" off DIscovery theater before we left.

I think that Sunrise Earth show is the best way to show off HD clarity. It's also a good way to relax and clear one's mind.

PS Was KTVE in HD last night? I asked my dad to check around 7pm and he said he still saw the 'gray bars' on either side..but I KNOW for a fact its 10.1 and 10.2 we're getting. LPB is so far ahead of the ball here..24/7 HD programming that looks super great. Lots of vibrant colors & interesting programming. Really should embarass the locals to get their act together but I guess they just don't care...

I don't think NBC had any HD programming last night. Get your dad to check at 10:35 PM one night, and he should see Leno in HD. If not, then the station is having technical problems... something that happens quite a bit, unfortunately. After you get their antenna set-up, and KNOE-HD can be received, he'll be amazed at CBS-HD! I totally agree about LPB. It's like Christmas every time I'm able to lock in a signal from one of their transmitters. I wish AETN had a 24/7 HD channel, but I can at least count on it a few nights a week. The only thing about LPB is that I wish they would increase their transmitter power. I wouldn't have a problem receiving the Monroe LPB if they were at 100%. The signal doesn't even reach the AR border, currently. :(

KeithAR2002

08-08-07, 01:00 AM

To Texarkana HD neighbors, what is your OTA HD signal quality from Shreveport stations KPXJ (CW network) and KSHV? I'm considering the purchase of an outdoor antenna, but did not want to go to the trouble if the signal is poor.

Thanks.

lawman,

According to the coverage maps, both signals shouldn't have a problem reaching you, but you might need a preamp.

Here is the link to the KPXJ coverage map -
http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-service-area?x=DT994088.html

KSHV map -
http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-service-area?x=DT1113129.html

You can also enter your address at http://www.antennaweb.org and it'll give you a conservative estimate of what stations you can lock in.

otaota

08-08-07, 02:59 AM

lawman,

According to the coverage maps, both signals shouldn't have a problem reaching you, but you might need a preamp.

Here is the link to the KPXJ coverage map -
http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-service-area?x=DT994088.html

KSHV map -
http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-service-area?x=DT1113129.html

You can also enter your address at http://www.antennaweb.org and it'll give you a conservative estimate of what stations you can lock in.
As the case with most FCC coverage contours, the level of detail can sometimes be too coarse to judge actual channel availability. If you compare the FCC coverage maps with the ones available from www.tvfool.com, you'll find that actual coverage is fragmented quite heavily by the terrain and your reception will depend on exactly where you live relative to the local hills.

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x177/otaota/tvfool/coverage/KPXJ-coverage.jpg

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x177/otaota/tvfool/coverage/KSHV-coverage.jpg

_______________
Chuck

KeithAR2002

08-08-07, 03:42 AM

I use tvool myself, but the FCC map gives a rough estimate of coverage, plus, someone not familiar with the tvfool software doesn't know what all the colors mean. The FCC maps take terrain into consideration, too. TVFool actually uses the same software the FCC maps use.

Ronald_Jeremy

08-08-07, 09:37 AM

Once the PSIP is fixed your VIP-622 should scan in 44.1 as long as the signal strength is sufficient.Worked like a charm.

But I am getting a signal drop. Usually hovers low 90's but will lose signal every few minutes.

Ronald_Jeremy

08-08-07, 10:06 PM

Once the PSIP is fixed your VIP-622 should scan in 44.1 as long as the signal strength is sufficient.FOX44CE, I want to thank you for reading here.

And I know you seem to be like me and actively seek out if there are problems that need to be addressed unlike some other people at other stations like *cough*KSLA*cough*.

I can now get 44-1 on my Dish VIP 622. Thank you and mucho gracias for it. Didn't notice anymore dropout issues today. Figgured it was growing pains. That happened with fox 33 as well as a few others. That seems to have been resolved.

But there seems to be an issue, and I assume it is in the PSIP data/Dish software connection, with the 622 associating 44-1 KSHV OTA and channel 45 KSHV that is carried over the satellite as the 622 is not making the connection and downloading the guide. Guide data is still showing as "Digital Service" It usually updates within a few hours of an OTA being being added and is not market specifc (ie. spot beam)

Not a big deal until I want to set up my timers later or see what is currently playing. Just thought that there may need to be some tweaing involved in the identifying characteristics that Dish looks at before associating guide data.

Again thank you. It is refreshing to see a seller take a proactive stance to keep up with not only good feedback, but extremely proactive with minor tech issues.

Kudos to you bro!!!

Who is your boss and give me contact info. He needs to give you a raise!!!!! And I will tell him such!!!!!!

BTW, picture quality is lookin good!!!!!

KeithAR2002

08-09-07, 04:22 AM

And I know you seem to be like me and actively seek out if there are problems that need to be addressed unlike some other people at other stations like *cough*KSLA*cough*.

Most stations have the denial mindset...lol... they think that if they keep denying they have problems, then they don't really have them.

Or, if they know that there are problems, they think "Hey, if we ignore it, it'll go away!" Kinda sad, really... but if you think about it, a lot of people are like that, too :)

I admire all the engineers that are active members on AVS, because it shows they really care about what kind of product they are putting out, and they aren't afraid of a few critics!

I've also noticed that the strongest, problem free OTA signals come from stations that show they care about their viewers....

For example, KMSS-DT is my strongest signal from Shreveport, and FOX44CE posts here often. KTBS-DT is my second strongest signal, and they respond quickly to any emails or comments sent to them regarding their signal. I can't receive a signal from KSLA-DT at all :rolleyes:

Gentlemen of the jury, I rest my case :cool:

nyvram

08-13-07, 01:29 PM

Great deal on ChannelMaster 4228..provided you have a Fry's nearby.

This seems to be universally regarded as the best UHF antenna for the buck.

http://www.fatwallet.com/t/18/756218/

Great for Monroe OTA HD!

digiblur

08-15-07, 01:29 PM

Not necessarily OTA news but I've been talking about them coming with several folks here:

DishNetwork HD subs should see a surprise in their guide today:

Link: The Satellite Dish - Blog on Multichannel News (http://www.multichannel.com/blog/350000435.html)

379 - CSNCH [MPEG4 HD] - EchoStar5 129W TP 27 ConUS beam - Available
9468 - VS/GF [MPEG4 HD] - Echostar12 61.5W TP 19 ConUS beam - Available
9468 - VS/GF [MPEG4 HD] - EchoStar5 129W TP 19 ConUS beam - Available
9469 - MHD [MPEG4 HD] - EchoStar5 129W TP 19 ConUS beam - Available
9469 - MHD [MPEG4 HD] - Echostar12 61.5W TP 19 ConUS beam - Available
9487 - DISC [MPEG4 HD] - EchoStar5 129W TP 19 ConUS beam - Available
9487 - DISC [MPEG4 HD] - Echostar12 61.5W TP 19 ConUS beam - Available
9488 - TLC [MPEG4 HD] - Echostar12 61.5W TP 19 ConUS beam - Available
9488 - TLC [MPEG4 HD] - EchoStar5 129W TP 19 ConUS beam - Available
9489 - ANIML [MPEG4 HD] - Echostar12 61.5W TP 19 ConUS beam - Available
9489 - ANIML [MPEG4 HD] - EchoStar5 129W TP 19 ConUS beam - Available
9490 - SCIEN [MPEG4 HD] - Echostar12 61.5W TP 19 ConUS beam - Available
9490 - SCIEN [MPEG4 HD] - EchoStar5 129W TP 19 ConUS beam - Available

nyvram

08-15-07, 06:49 PM

digiblur

08-15-07, 09:14 PM

Very cool! Just saw that on satelliteguys this morning. I will have to call my parents & see if they can see the new stations.

Basically with 'americas 200' i think they'll just see the new discovery, animal planet, TLC & musicTV in HD right? VS & Golf are on the 'americas 250' plan. What is "SCIEN"?

Did you click the link?

nyvram

08-16-07, 10:04 AM

Did you click the link?

No.. :o I have now. :rolleyes:

Geaux Tigers

08-25-07, 04:32 PM

Does anyone know when the HD locals will be carried by DirecTv? An installer told me September but that sounds too optimistic.

i49mobile

08-25-07, 11:28 PM

Per the guy Scott Thomas, at KTAL, late 1st quarter or 2nd quarter 2008.

SHergenrader

08-27-07, 06:12 PM

Does anyone know when the HD locals will be carried by DirecTv? An installer told me September but that sounds too optimistic.

At the earliest I would imagine early to mid next year.

ken984

08-29-07, 02:34 PM

It will probably be after D11 is operational, but who knows now that we have all our stations in HD they could move us up the list some.

jacob_seal

08-30-07, 02:28 PM

I just bought a Phillips 32" LCD at Sam's Club. It displays 12.2 and 12.3, as well as 6.1, all without a hitch.

12.1 has sound only. I cannot get a picture!

Come in, KSLA! CBS...We Have A Problem!!!

There must be a problem with the configuration.

i have the exact same problem on my magnavox. i get 12.2 and 12.3 with no problems....but 12.1 is a black screen with sound only. this cannot be fault of the tv is philips, magnavox, and samsung are all having this problem.

Steve_Smith

08-30-07, 05:33 PM

i have the exact same problem on my magnavox. i get 12.2 and 12.3 with no problems....but 12.1 is a black screen with sound only. this cannot be fault of the tv is philips, magnavox, and samsung are all having this problem.

I just sent an edited version of this email to engineering @ksla.com. Maybe we'll get lucky

dsims

09-01-07, 02:38 PM

Then engineer for KTVE just said that KARD the fox affliliate in Monroe just ordered all the equipment for a new facility. He said HD in time for the superbowl. We will just have to see how it goes.

ken984

09-04-07, 09:53 PM

Then engineer for KTVE just said that KARD the fox affliliate in Monroe just ordered all the equipment for a new facility. He said HD in time for the superbowl. We will just have to see how it goes.

Thats a very ambitious schedule, a whole new facility between now and Feb. Hope they have the tower built already, winter weather is not conducive to hanging transmitters. Ask KTAL

KeithAR2002

09-04-07, 10:15 PM

I'll wear a fox costume for a week if they are up and running before the 2009 shut off date.

i49mobile

09-05-07, 08:57 PM

anyone else having this issue--- Also I noticed that that KTAL 6-1 is now gone from my HR20-700 guide ??

digiblur

09-05-07, 09:16 PM

anyone else having this issue--- Also I noticed that that KTAL 6-1 is now gone from my HR20-700 guide ??

Rescan it back in. :D

i49mobile

09-06-07, 09:55 AM

I just talked to master control at KSLA-- The t-storms on Wednesday,Sept 5,2007 messed up their HD transmitter KSLA is unsure when they will be back up in HD.

ken984

09-06-07, 09:59 PM

I just talked to master control at KSLA-- The t-storms on Wednesday,Sept 5,2007 messed up their HD transmitter KSLA is unsure when they will be back up in HD.
That's just great, they go down 4 days before football starts...bad luck for them, thank goodness for ST HD.

Geaux Tigers

09-07-07, 12:08 AM

I have a waiver for ABC and NBC in HD for DirecTv but KSLA would never give me a waiver even though their HD signal is constantly screwed up.

digiblur

09-10-07, 02:07 AM

I have a waiver for ABC and NBC in HD for DirecTv but KSLA would never give me a waiver even though their HD signal is constantly screwed up.

"Move" and call it done.

jacob_seal

09-10-07, 12:42 PM

I just sent an edited version of this email to engineering @ksla.com. Maybe we'll get lucky

Thanks Steve. I emailed them as well. I got a response back stating that they are the only station in the area broadcasting in 1080i. he states all the other channels are 720p and that my TV must not be compatible with 1080i. that is a load of crap. KTAL i know for 100% sure is 1080i because their commercials say it. also, my tv is fine with 720p or 1080i. he also told me to rescan for channels and that fixes most problems. i did that, but it didn't help. He also said that they have had no reports of any other tv's except for samsung that are having problems. he gave no indication that they are going to do anything to resolve the situation, and i asked him that point blank. any other ideas anyone?

Ronald_Jeremy

09-10-07, 05:48 PM

The only way to get a non-canned, non-bs response is to CC the GM on your emails. Then the guy will answer like he gives a ****!

Fox is 1080i as well as KTAL. I corrected him on that a while back but I can still see that he is spewing the same crap.

ken984

09-11-07, 02:17 PM

Fox is 720p, not 1080i.
PBS, KTAL and KSLA are 1080i. Tell him to watch a little KTAL and then get back to you on the 1080i thing(he probably doesn't even have an HDTV at his house), although they don't look as good as they used to before the stupid SD simulcast channel went up. Also other than ESPN all other HD cable networks are 1080i. If you have cable or sat tell him that none of those 1080i sources has a problem. I doubt he cares or will even bother to look into it but its obvious from his answers that he is poorly informed on the REAL state of HDtv in our area.

Ronald_Jeremy

09-11-07, 06:05 PM

LOL, I have already been through this on page 60 of this thread. MyTV in the bedroom reports that KMSS is 1080i. Antenna hooked directly to tuner built into TV.

ken984

09-12-07, 10:02 AM

Well I haven't done any research into what KMSS does, but FOX only uses 720p so if they are broadcasting 1080i they are upconverting from 720p which would be stupid. I will look at one of my tvs when i get a chance and see if it will tell me what the incoming signal is.

Ronald_Jeremy

09-12-07, 11:44 AM

Don't bother. I checked last night and it is now showing 720p. But a while back for short time it was showing 1080i.

dufusdad

09-12-07, 05:27 PM

Send an E-mail detailing everything to Raycom, KSLA's corporate.Emphasize how stubborn the engineer has been.Ask for a reply.Go to Raycommedia.com for an address.

windham9

09-14-07, 10:38 AM

KMSS not airing Dallas Sunday?

ken984

09-14-07, 10:56 AM

windham9

09-14-07, 05:23 PM

Dallas plays at 3 and Aints at 12 so there is not a conflict, but i think it is a CBS dblheader week, so they might have to choose. I quit worrying about what they will do and got ST, guess i will have to call D* and see about free SF now also.

Listing shows KMSS with a noon game only. I get KFXK51.1, but local cable/sat carries KMSS. I should have a large crowd here Sunday, lol.

Edit- KMSS now shows to air Dallas

i49mobile

09-15-07, 06:55 PM

I live in North Bossier and have NOT done anything to my D*TV HR20-700 or my OTA in my attic. The OTA signal strength as measured by my hR20-700 are all extremely strong for all Shreveport stations (running in the 90s or 100) and the signal has been at this level for months, except for now KMSS, which the D*TV box shows a 771 error at times (searching for signal) with a signal range from not acquiring to in the 70s on the HR20-700 OTA signal meter. Any ideas, suggestions from those of you in the Shreveport-Bossier metro area.

Anyone else having the issue with KMSS ?? My problem started right after Labor Day. I have done the D*TV remedies (menu reset, disconnecting the OTA cable from the D*TV box, etc)

Steve_Smith

09-15-07, 07:46 PM

Try a red button reset. I had issues with 12.1, did a re-scan, to no avail, then did a r-b-r and all was good again.

ken984

09-16-07, 08:16 PM

Well what did KMSS do? Aints or the Boys?

Ronald_Jeremy

09-16-07, 08:44 PM

Before anyone asks about the crappy picture on KTAL for the game tonight, it is NOT a network feed problem. It is a KTAL problem.

I am swapping back and forth between KTAL OTA and channel 4 from Nashville over Dish. The Nashville sat feed is far superior to the pixellated crap coming through my antenna!! LOL

Also getting audio dropouts on the antenna and they are not there on the sat feed.

Ronald_Jeremy

09-16-07, 08:46 PM

And to pile on that.....

Why in the hell is KTAL running an ad that they are broadcasting in 1080i and the ad is 4x3 standard def? LMFAO!!! Dumbasses!!!!

ken984

09-16-07, 10:13 PM

Glad its not just me then, typical ktal service.

ken984

09-16-07, 10:31 PM

As long as we are giving ktal what they deserve, they still have not fixed the audio. The center channel is coming thru the left surround.

Ronald_Jeremy

09-16-07, 11:01 PM

As long as we are giving ktal what they deserve, they still have not fixed the audio. The center channel is coming thru the left surround.
On top of that, their General Manager's mother wears combat boots!!! LOL.

Several times their feed just took the proverbial crap. Totally lost. The sat feed was continuous.

Another bad plus...............

And a BIG/BAD plus......................... :mad:

They didn't have Pink singing the opening song!!!!!!!!! :mad: Or more importantly she wasn't there proving to us that she has mammary glands!!! :mad:

Well the mammary thingy is actually NBC's fault!! LOL

Ronald_Jeremy

09-16-07, 11:15 PM

LOL further.

Apparently the janitor guy can't find the SD/HD switch!!! :) Maybe he has been partaking of the brewskis like me.

They are stuck in SD now. LOL :D

newjedi2001

09-17-07, 10:46 PM

ken984

09-17-07, 11:37 PM

Does anyone have issues with sound for KTAL on Comcast. I keep getting intermittent pauses in the audio. The picture has been fine just the audio. I hate dealing with comcast as everything is always an issue with your equipment not their equipment.

I don't have Comcrap but I would bet $ that its a KTAL problem, they are fairly lackadaisical about the operation.

windham9

09-18-07, 05:32 PM

Sunday KSLA began with Colts/Titans(close, good game, final 20-22) in CBS-HD, but switched in first half to Panthers/Titans SD blowout. Why switch from a good game in HD to garbage???? BOO!

KMSS wisely chose the Dallas game over the Saints.

NASCAR on ABC-HD looking very nice.

Cowboys on NBC-HD next Sunday night, KTAL git-r-done!

SUPPORT FREE BROADCAST HDTV

ken984

09-19-07, 04:21 PM

The Houston Texans are the "home" team for ksla so they should have never shown the Indy game. Somebody probably got a slap on the wrist in the control room.

KeithAR2002

09-21-07, 04:27 AM

ken984

09-21-07, 09:00 PM

Well I don't know about KTAL and their insanity..but I cannot complain about KTVE-HD quality anymore. They have increased the HD bandwidth from 14.33mps to over 15.50mps :) They also have their DD5.1 fixed. I think I owe an apology to Joe at KTVE.... they've done a terrific job...they need to go train KTAL on their equipment...haha!

Good for you Keith, glad somebody is having some luck. Yes if anyone at another station would go over to KTAL and show them how to map the audio that would be great!(and while you are there turn off the STUPID simulcast SD channel) Thanks In Advance!

windham9

09-24-07, 12:38 PM

Well I don't know about KTAL and their insanity..but I cannot complain about KTVE-HD quality anymore. They have increased the HD bandwidth from 14.33mps to over 15.50mps :) They also have their DD5.1 fixed. I think I owe an apology to Joe at KTVE.... they've done a terrific job...they need to go train KTAL on their equipment...haha!

KETK & KTAL were macroblock GARBAGE the whole game last night. KETK audio about a full second behind video, failed to switch after a commercial. Hope KTVE was better.

newjedi2001

09-24-07, 07:53 PM

Need some help for OTA HD in Shreveport. I am next to LSUS in Apartment complex have a hard time getting a good signal with my antenna. It is indoor powered one. Have an LG and signal is barely in the good range getting lots of sound issues and blocks. Any recommended indoor antennas that could help out. I hace comcrap but have some issues as well with some channels. Last step is switching to DISH or DirectTV. Please help. I am a noob in this area but pretty much pick anything up rather quickly so if you have complex answers by all means shoot.

jacob_seal

09-27-07, 03:15 PM

yeah, right newjedi.....i bet you haven't even faced the trials yet. hey, did you used to work at centurytel?

ken984

09-30-07, 08:02 PM

Ktal has the 5.1 mapped right tonight!! Center is actually in the CENTER. WOW

Newjedi, try an unamplified antenna, sometimes you can overload your tuner, especially an LG they have a history of very sensitive tuners. Zenith Silver Sensor has a great rep. for an indoor antenna.

Steve_Smith

09-30-07, 09:06 PM

My 6.1 is cutting out again after being good for a couple of weeks. I'm having to watch the game on NBC from NYC. (82) Is it just me or has their signal weakened again after being strong for a time. (Also, different rcvrs from D* all using the same antenna feed give differing signal strangths on KTAL, ranging from 35 to 95. Strange.

ken984

10-01-07, 09:40 PM

Didn't have any problems with it here, other than the typical bad HD from NBC. It was one of the better broadcasts from them.

FOX44CE

10-02-07, 11:30 AM

windham9

10-02-07, 04:55 PM

Actually FOX decides which game each market carries and they have no options.

FOX NFL is the best. Always HD, good crews, most camera angles, no failing to switch. Hopefully they will exercise their option to "protect" the Nov. 18th & Dec. 16th Dallas games from being flexed to NBC, that makes us get home at 2am.

KSHV still at 44.2, and the info quit again. Tried to rescan but still same. It does look better, and programming is better too.

newjedi2001

10-03-07, 09:28 PM

Yep still there. Nope have not faced the trials yet.

gbranch

10-06-07, 10:14 AM

No one noticed, but The Tube Music Network (http://www.thetubetv.com/) ceased operation on Oct. 1. Both KLTV 7.3 and KSLA 12.2 are displaying a text screen explaining the loss of the channel.

windham9

10-06-07, 02:48 PM

No one noticed, but The Tube Music Network (http://www.thetubetv.com/) ceased operation on Oct. 1. Both KLTV 7.3 and KSLA 12.2 are displaying a text screen explaining the loss of the channel.

& KTRE 9.3,, wife watched those videos sometimes, but KSLA should be better now during HD sports! Perhaps others can also quit wasting bandwidth?

KTAL - LOSE THE USELESS SUBCHANNEL!

ken984

10-06-07, 04:12 PM

Yes, good riddance to more junk on tv, how many music channels do we REALLY have to have? Not to mention the picture quality was awful on 12, if you have direcTV and HD go to channel 332 MHD, nothing but music in HD 24/7.

i49mobile

10-07-07, 08:08 PM

I attempted to find the FCC reports for channel assignment after spring 2009, but I could not find it. I think that all stay on their current UHF channels (like KTBS on DT-28, etc) ? Am I right ? I am assuming the only one that could abandon their current digital channel is KSLA and they could convert in HD back to channel 12.

Did anyone have audio to video sync issues with KSLA during the LSU-FLA game on Saturday night? I did.

ken984

10-07-07, 09:37 PM

gbranch

10-08-07, 12:26 AM

http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-05-2649A2.pdf

As of the date of this list, all Shreveport area stations will remain on their digital channel assignment.

In Tyler, KLTV will move from their current digital channel assignment 10, back to 7.

This was the first round of channel elections from 2005. IIRC, there is supposed to be a second round coming up soon, so this list is subject to change.

KBoswell

10-08-07, 10:02 AM

VideoTech

10-09-07, 02:28 PM

I think it was off a little here as well, but KSLA has had audio sync issues for as long as I have had my HDTV.

What brand of TV. There are actually some TV's that have lip-sync issues. (Problems with the Dolby deocder)

ken984

10-15-07, 11:11 AM

What brand of TV. There are actually some TV's that have lip-sync issues. (Problems with the Dolby deocder)

It is not the tv, I am using Directv HR20 thru HK AVR247. KSLA is better than they used to be(lip sync used to be off a full 2 seconds) but still have far too many issues to be this far along with HD, they were the first to get it running and their track record is not so good at keeping it running or keeping it trouble free. I can adjust the delays thru the receiver but since that is the ONLY station that has an issue it is fairly simple to deduce that it is something on their end. But the only stuff I watch is football so the lip sync is not much of an issue for me.

Ronald_Jeremy

10-18-07, 10:29 AM

Is 44-2 working for you guys. I couldn't tune it the other day so I deleted it and tried to add it back and I get nothing.

ken984

10-19-07, 01:17 AM

44-2 is working here.

Berryboy1

11-02-07, 09:24 PM

44-2 doesn't work for me. I get full strength signal but it will never sync.

radiomaster

11-06-07, 03:22 PM

Those of you in the southernmost viewing areas of Monroe/Shreveport north of Alexandria MIGHT be able to pick up 3 KATC Lafayette/ABC HD. In Marksville, we're picking up their signal for the first time today at 95% with an outdoor antenna in the attic (temporary situation). At least some folks north of Avoyelles and Rapides parishes might be able to tune in.

bradleyj2

11-07-07, 12:39 PM

I was wondering if anyone else had noticed some problems with KTBS/ABC. I haven't heard it this week, but much of last week the audio almost sounded like...warbly...Like a stretched video tape or something. I noticed it last week on Thursday and Sunday...On both the HD and analog signals. Anyone else notice this?

Steve_Smith

11-07-07, 08:54 PM

I had the same problem. Must have been a station problem.

Ronald_Jeremy

11-14-07, 12:26 PM

Update on 44-2.

Talked to them yesterday and they are waiting on a drive to be returned from repair. They are not broadcasting PSIP data so that is why it won't lock.

They said some receivers have a way of forcing it to tune but mine doesn't have that. They hope to have it back to normal in a few days.

ken984

11-14-07, 09:35 PM

HR20 must be one of those, no problems here.

digiblur

11-17-07, 07:24 PM

HR20 must be one of those, no problems here.

The HR20 doesn't even have the ability to scan so it doesn't use PSIP data. In this case it is a good thing but in most cases it makes you want to bash the receiver with a hammer.

ken984

11-19-07, 10:36 PM

Never felt that way about either of mine, they both work great, although I would LIKE the ability to scan, so far its nothing i can't live without.

SHergenrader

11-28-07, 01:51 PM

Never felt that way about either of mine, they both work great, although I would LIKE the ability to scan, so far its nothing i can't live without.

Agreed, I wouldn't mind having the ability to scan on the HR20 but it knows all the channels I can pick up in my area so I have no problem not being able to scan.

ken984

12-02-07, 08:57 PM

Anyone else not getting the center channel from KTAL tonight? It is kind of cool, nothing but game sounds and no Al and John.

Veritas0Aequitas

12-02-07, 09:01 PM

Anyone else not getting the center channel from KTAL tonight? It is kind of cool, nothing but game sounds and no Al and John.

Yes, this isnt the first sunday night football KTAL broadcast that has been like this. Whats odd is the HD feed from comcast works fine.

ken984

12-03-07, 01:40 PM

It was a really cool deal, could hear all the calls at the line of scrimmage and the refs calls were like they were holding the announcers mic. Just didnt have to listen to John Favre(Madden). Started to go unhook my center channel when they fixed it LOL.

digiblur

12-05-07, 08:51 PM

They were tuned to the wrong audio feed. I've seen that backhaul before and there's a audio feed of just stadium sound and you can hear everything! Every word!

windham9

12-06-07, 04:44 PM

They were tuned to the wrong audio feed. I've seen that backhaul before and there's a audio feed of just stadium sound and you can hear everything! Every word!

Last year when NBC had NASCAR all you could hear was the cars and in car audio. I liked that too.
Can't say I care much for NBC macroblocking garbage video.
Thats a network feed issue, all NBC sports video is not even close to CBS/FOX/ABC quality.
Spend the bucks, get it right NBC.
Or quit covering sports.

haley-SEA

12-07-07, 09:32 AM

Last year when NBC had NASCAR all you could hear was the cars and in car audio. I liked that too.
Can't say I care much for NBC macroblocking garbage video.
Thats a network feed issue, all NBC sports video is not even close to CBS/FOX/ABC quality.
Spend the bucks, get it right NBC.
Or quit covering sports.

I notice the same thing with NBC and Football. KTAL's sister station in Lil Rock (KARK-DT) doesn't multicast and we still get the infamous NBC macroblocking. Its as if NBC restricts the HD feed availible to stations or its an issue on the backhauls....And I verified this with KTVE-DT also (one sub with the stretchovision radar) since i'm in 24/7 range of those guys.

Ronald_Jeremy

12-07-07, 12:20 PM

It is both of their problems.

I can flip back and forth between the feeds for NBC during the game.

My NBC feed over Dish from Nashville macro blocks, but KTAL's OTA is much worse.

That tells me it is a piss-poor feed from NBC and KTAL is screwing it up even more!!!

ken984

12-07-07, 01:07 PM

Yep, everything on NBC HD is a mess(picture wise), they are being cheap on the uplink side i think. No where near the quality of ANY of the other HD sources available.

digiblur

12-09-07, 12:39 AM

They aren't being cheap on the uplinks on the sports. Beautiful 35megabit 1080i picture.

Remember the NASCAR feeds too, they had the announcers though, just no commercials and constant coverage.

ken984

12-11-07, 08:59 AM

Somewhere in their distribution chain there is a weak link, picture gets blocky at the slightest hint of motion on closeups, or when the graphics fly in and out, its pathetic. Somebody at NBC needs to figure out what the problem is and do something about it.

bridgesh

12-18-07, 08:44 PM

I've got a QAM tuner and Comcast basic cable here in Shreveport. Had no issues until recently. Now service and quality is terrible. Anyone else getting HD using Comcast and having problems?

ksla-Eng

12-19-07, 07:36 PM

Ronald_Jeremy

12-20-07, 09:19 AM

Holy cow! I told you guys about this thread and the other problems people were having months ago. Well at least you finally made it. LOL. I hope you are able to diagnose what the problem is.

windham9

12-20-07, 09:50 PM

Hello,
I am documenting an issue between Samsung receivers and maybe Philips too and KSLA 12.1 reception.
Any and all feedback, help and information is welcome in order to pinpoint the problem, especially make and model of receivers and problems you may currently encounter.
Thank you all in advance, and enjoy a Merry Christmas.

Had a cheap RCA 52" ($894 at walmart) last year. Issues with KSLA, left side had a 2" wide vertical strip that was a mirror image of a strip to the right, the messed up edge strip also had a horizontal green line in the middle. CBS 19 KETK and all others were perfect. I returned the set, but feel it was a KSLA issue. The whole time my Sony xbr970 was perfect on KSLA sitting next to the RCA. Got a JVC 56" the other day, no problems. KSLA does seem to have a tiny issue that doesn't bother most ATSC tuners. Thanks for all you guys do there, OTA HD is awesome & free!

ksla-Eng

12-21-07, 09:56 AM

ksla-Eng

12-24-07, 01:01 PM

burgranger

12-24-07, 01:15 PM

I dont have the problem that you are working on, but i do have a few issues with KSLA.

The issues I have with KSLA are:
1. The 2.0 audio.
2. The blank screen where the bandwith stealing TUBE sub channel was (please turn it off). Also dont like the weather sub channel (12.3), I use 3's radar only screen.
3. The sound not synching with the video on the main channel. especially during Cold Case, SEC Football, and Without a Trace.
4. Pixelating during action shots (mainly due to the subchannels).

Any plans to start sending the Audio out at 5.1?

Thanks to someone at KSLA finally doing something. In my years of reading AVS and other sites, the stations where the Engineers are active members lead to the overall experience of the viewer to be better.

ksla-Eng

12-25-07, 09:14 AM

Thank you for your kind words of support, Burgranger.
Concerning the 3 issues you are listing, (audio Sync, Stereo Vs Surround, and Bandwidth allocation) here is what I can tell you:
Audio Sync; this is a highly subjective matter that is compounded by the fact that all receivers have different response time. We only have a very limited control on the delay that can be adjusted during Network shows, and this adjustment can not be performed on a per-show basis; and it shouldn't have to. The fact that you are mentioning only 3 shows tells me that we are not that far off, I will look and listen closely to those 3 to see if this can be tweaked further. Do you perceive that Audio is ahead of Video, or behind ? Is it consistent ?

Stereo Vs Surround.
KSLA actually has a Dolby 5.1 Encoder but we can not use it yet for lack of the corresponding Dolby E Decoder that was not provided with our Network receiving equipment.
We will be getting a new all HD all Digital Network rack early this year from CBS, and I hope that this one will come with discrete channels that we can encode. If not, I will push for the Station to "bite the bullet" and get a Dolby E Decoder.

Bandwidth / Channels allocation.
KSLA 12.1 is set at 16 Mbps on the encoder, before remuxing, which is very high. After remuxing that becomes 14.3 Mbps. This is the highest in the area. Other stations measure at 14.0 13.3, 12.25 and 12.0 Mbps respectively.
Concerning the Tube slate, since this is a fixed image, the bandwidth effectively used is negligible. It has no bearing whatsoever. Take note also that I can not remove this slate because of contractual and legal matters. I believe the Tube could go away completely sometimes soon because of the new year, but I have not heard anything yet.
Last but not least, I am sorry to hear that you prefer the other weather page in the area, and there is not much I can do about that, but I will report your preference.

Have a Merry Christmas

Ronald_Jeremy

12-25-07, 04:21 PM

Hello again,
as of today Dec 24 around 11:45 am the issue with KSLA and some receivers should be resolved. If you experience problems with KSLA's signal, please perform a full channel scan, although this should not be necessary.
If there are new issues, please report them here in the Forum and we will take care of it when possible.
Thank you all for your help and continued viewership.Ted, glad you got it fixed even though, according to you, there was nothing wrong. The problem was all on our end. :D

Might I ask what was causing the non-existant problem? Was there a problem with your PSIP data?

ksla-Eng

12-26-07, 11:35 AM

Hello Jeremy,
did you have problems tuning in 12.1 before and are you now receiving it
correctly ? If so what receiver are you using ?
I am not Ted by the way, but I work for him.
As for the non-existent problem, no there is nothing wrong with our
PSIP data;
We have modified our PAT table content order so that it matches the
order derived from the PMT table. Nowhere in the ATSC A53 (Sec 6.4.2
PAt_E) specification is there a rule that those table to appear in the
same order. Our streams were "legit".
As long as the table contents and values are matching, the receiver
should be able to tune in. Actually 99 % of the receivers were able to
tune in, and those did not feel a thing when we tweaked our stream.
Only a few sets, build on an improper implementation of the ATSC rules
had trouble. Samsung, at least on Philips DLP and some RCA.
You see, ATSC is a fairly complicated beast, and we were not about to
jeopardize the majority of our viewership in order to try to fix a minor
(in terms of numbers) issue.
In all fairness, I am sorry it took quite some time, but it had to be
documented properly and resolved carefully. We had to fly in special
test equipments and analyze the whole stream bit by bit. I am glad we
got it working for you tho, Jeremy.

I wish a Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays.

Ronald_Jeremy

12-26-07, 02:28 PM

Sorry for mistaking you for Ted. :)

It was my Dad's Samsung TV. I will get by there and see if it is working.

Onji

12-26-07, 05:05 PM

Hey guys, I was asked to post this over here instead of the main forum.

I live in North Monroe.

Ok I've been doing alot of research, but I cannot decide which Antenna to get.

My antennaweb and tvfool reports are attached.

I have outlined the channels I would like to get on the antennaweb report. There are some analog and some digital. Its also a mix of UHF and VHF.

So for one I know I'll need a multi directional antenna that does both UHF and VHF. I know I want to get a preamp to go with it as well.

Could someone tell me what to pick up that would allow me to get all of those channels? Maybe give me the highend and the midrange? pricewise.

I'm very new to this so any help would be appreciated.

Thanks

windham9

12-26-07, 07:49 PM

Thank you for the kind words of support windham9.
Was the RCA in question model number R52WH74 ?
I could not paste a link here because of spam protection, but if I may ask you to google it and confirm ?
Thanks

Thats the set. This was over a year ago, model# sounds right, probably a walmart only model#.
KSLA putting up the NFLN game Sat. night?

windham9

12-26-07, 08:02 PM

Bandwidth / Channels allocation.
KSLA 12.1 is set at 16 Mbps on the encoder, before remuxing, which is very high. After remuxing that becomes 14.3 Mbps. This is the highest in the area. Other stations measure at 14.0 13.3, 12.25 and 12.0 Mbps respectively.

Have a Merry Christmas

KSLA has the the cleanest video of all 4 1080i's I get. (2-CBS & 2-NBC)
Best local news too

ksla-Eng

12-27-07, 10:14 AM

Thank you for checking on your Dad's set, Jeremy. Please let me know.

Windham9, KSLA will be airing NFL: NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS V. NEW YORK GIANTS
http://www.ksla.com/Global/link.asp?L=49783
Notice that this game shows as a Standard Definition. The schedule changed yesterday, that is why TitanTv is not showing it yet.
As for the "samsung" issue, I am still waiting on confirmation from a few viewers that the issue is completely laid to rest, so we can move on.

Thank you for your viewership and support.

ken984

12-27-07, 05:08 PM

windham9

12-27-07, 11:15 PM

Ronald_Jeremy

12-28-07, 12:56 AM

Welcome KSLA engineer, hopefully you can nail down the lip sync issues, it can be really unbearable at times.
It is really no contest between KSLA picture and KTAL, anytime the picture gets "busy" on KTAL it turns to a blocky mess. PBS looks pretty good considering the number of subchannels they are pumping out.
Until KTAL hires someone from "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy" to upgrade their news set from back in the Brady Bunch days and get their newscasters out of leisure suits, I don't see them actually going one further and having the proper equipment/knowledge to pass on a sub-par HD feed from NBC in the sub par quality it is actually broadcast in. The idiots even have an SD subchannel of their HD feed to steal from their bandwidth. Talk about Duh!!!! Or as Homer Simpson would say, "Doh!"

ksla-Eng

I should be able to get over to my dad's tomorrow and do a re-scan to check it out and report back.

And ksla-Eng, I apologize for dissing you thinking you were that arsehole Ted. My bad. Your honest answer about not changing things so you wouldn't inconvenience the masses to appeaze the minority is a hell of lot more honest than Ted telling me and others to take their "cheap"/expensive TV's back to where they bought them like Sam's or Wal-Mart. After all, KSLA was the only channel in the Ark-La-Tex not working in digital. (Excuse KTAL cause they don't count LOL) I could have lived with that as an explanation with the cavaet you guys were working on the problem and would try to get it fixed.

But Ted's cavalier attitude was a real a real turn off. As well as his condescending attitude. You seem to realize when a problem might exist and willing to explore that. I can only hope that you are quickly promoted to take his place. Not saying he is a bad engineer. But you are an engineer that has the people skills to actually even acknowledge a problem may exist and look into it. You also said you are going to work on the Dolby issue. All I got when I called was "We broadcast in stereo. Not Dolby 5.1"

I will report back on my father's Samsung tomorrow!!!
Again thanks for making the effort and looking into the problem, and I hope your prick of a boss doesn't read this. Well I kind of hope he does. And I might even link to this thread to your GM!!!! :D

Ronald_Jeremy

12-28-07, 01:17 AM

forgot ksla-Eng, I have not ever run into a lip sync issue with your station. Other than the dolby thingy. :D Not really a lip sync issue. Just a QC issue with what should be available that even KTAL is able to provide!!!

Watching at my house via OTA into DishNetwork VIP-622 DVR with audio run through Sony STR-DG800 Surround on a toslink/optical audio cable.

Network broadcasters biatch about the digital requirements coming in Feb of '09, but they fail to acknowledge that digital broadcasting, and more so, HD have breathed a new life to what was once a dying format. 90% of my TV watching is watching broadcast TV on my DVR via OTA antenna.

Rawk on. :D

And tell Ted to lick my balls!!! :p

EDIT: I take that back about Ted licking my balls.

Cartman from South Park had a great quote that applies to Ted. "Eat Penguin sh!t you @ss spelunker!!!" :D

ksla-Eng

12-28-07, 10:32 AM

Hello everybody,
wow...I have reports of perfect lip sync from some, small errors from others, and up to one second ahead from a few. What the h... is going on here.
Could each of you report on lipsync ? Here is what I need:
HD or SD shows, or both ?
Audio ahead or late, by how much ?
Consistency ? sometimes ? All the time, certain shows not others etc...
And this is a very important thing; Let me explain
If it is consistent, it is a simple matter of adjusting Audio delay somewhere in the chain for HD or SD or both. If it is not consistent, either in time (some shows ok) or in space (some sets no problems) then it is a transport stream issue, same style as the Samsung deal.
The Samsung issue is not a rest yet either, I really need feedback on that one too.
I have one viewer that I exchange emails with tell me it is not fixed in fact. Others have not responded.
Here is a procedure to reset the set:
step 1: disconnect the antenna
step 2: Factory reset / full channel scan / power cycle
step 3: connect the antenna
step 4: full channel scan.
The idea is to make sure that the set "forgets" the previous ATSC tables and uses current ones. Can you make sure you go through this at your Dad's Jeremey ? Thank you so much for your efforts.

Have a Happy New Year !!

ksla-Eng

12-28-07, 10:54 AM

I almost forgot,
the Giant Vs patriots game tomorrow will actually be in HD, despite what the web page says.
This is straight from CBS Traffic.
Have a great week end.

ken984

12-28-07, 02:55 PM

Thanks KSlA, I will check out the feed tonight and see how the lip sync is doing.

digiblur

12-28-07, 05:17 PM

I'm doing an install soon for relative in Ruston. What type of antenna do you recommend? Will they have to do the rotor thing to swing back and forth? BTW, it isn't for an HDTV, just an SDTV with a digital tuner so I can care less what format they are broadcasting in as long as they get NBC, CBS, FOX and ABC.

I haven't kept up with the power outputs of the affiliates in that DMA.

nyvram

12-29-07, 12:27 AM

radiomaster

12-29-07, 07:59 PM

Anyone in the Monroe area able to get the new KARD HD signal yet? So far no dice but I understand its not going full-power until 12/31 so I'm crossing my fingers. Apparently its in 'low power' test mode right now.

If their new HD signal is as strong as their analog here in Marksville (Avoyelles Parish) we should easily be able to receive them. I never complain about having too many affiliate options. I'll run channel scans in the coming days.
Nothing yet though.

8KNOE is another example of a station whose analog signal booms into Marksville easily but I've never seen their digital signal.

I have picked up 10KTVE and the 10.2 doppler only during weather skip phenoms. Same thing for 21.1 Shreveport.