After a lot of experimentation and observation I've found that the QAM tuner in my 3510A is losing the signal of channels when another channel on the same carrier signal is in a commercial break or comes out of one. For example, CBS is on 116-1 and ABC is on 116-2. About 10 seconds after ABC comes out of a commercial break I will lose the signal on the CBS channel and it won't recover unless I change the channel and then change back to CBS. The screen will have a message from the 3510A saying the signal is scrambled and the display on the 3510A says No Signal. The signal strength is actually fine and very consistent. The problem doesn't seem to occur with the 116-2 channel when the 116-1 goes to commercials. I detected a glitch on a different pair of channels too where the -1 channel was affected when the -2 channel went to or came out of a break.

Has anyone else using the QAM tuner in the 3510A experienced a problem like this?

For those using the QAM tuner of the 3510A, what sort of signal level are you seeing on your cable feed? I see about 60% and LG is saying this may be my problem.

dozens, any more feedback on your patched player ? I'm surprised they would only fix the reset issue when more users were having issues with the HDCP problem.

Ken

Originally posted by kenhdtv
dozens, any more feedback on your patched player ? I'm surprised they would only fix the reset issue when more users were having issues with the HDCP problem.

Ken

With the unit preset to dvi/720 i put in LotR 1 and got the hdcp message. I changed to dvi/480p and was able to start the dvd. I could then go back to dvi/720p. Swap LotR 2 in and was able to play it with dvi/720p.


[edit - removed audio problem with turned out to a cabling problem]

I received mine 3510A yesterday. Mine set is connected to an Hitachi 50v500 set and there is no problem with the DVI handshake as well as resolution resetting issues.

However, I do have problem with the QAM tuner. Where the foreign language channel would have no audio but only video. The audio button on remote shows language as 'Unknown' on screen. On English channel, the audio comes through fine. My signal strength are all around 70%. I have tried all audio output and setting already. Is this something to do with the 3510A or my cable provider, and is there anything else I'm doing wrong?

Thanks.

Just got my LST-3510A from J&R with the latest patches. It's buggy compared to mainstream DVD players like the $30 ones you get at Walmart. If you switch modes too many times it freezes and you have to turn it off and back on. Same with some of the setup screen. Once everything is stable it works rather well.

I'm able to pickup stations the Panasonic stb I had before couldn't. Haven't tried DVI yet but the Component out appears to be as good as any other DVD player. Can't really tell the difference between 480P and 1080i on my TV (Phillips 51" projection) but 1080i looked better on friends NEC HD 42" plasma (DVI wouldn't work on his plasma, it's not HDCP compliant).

What bugs me is that the Ratio button on the remote to change aspect ratios doesn't work with DVD's (you have to go through menus to change it) but works half-arsed in DTV mode, for example it won't take a 4:3 HD program and make it wide enough to fill the widescreen TV. If you are patient with the menus you can make a 2.35:1 DVD movie fill the screen but you have to remember to change it back for a 1.85:1 movie. Also it played a DVD+R movie I had but wouldn't play a friends DVD+R movie but that could just be that disk.

Question for LA users, how long does it take for the Guide data to populate (if ever)?

I had really high expectations from the 3510A. I had one on order early in January but cancelled my order after all of the bugs arised when connected to the Z2. I decided to wait until the firmware fix came out before I reordered.

However, I'm starting to lose confidence in this unit. I have no patience for bugs. I think I'll be giving up on the 3510A and start to look at the new Bravo D2/D3. The whole concept was great, but I think LG got in over their heads on this one.

Regards
Steve

Originally posted by stephenfrancis
I have no patience for bugs. I think I'll be giving up on the 3510A and start to look at the new Bravo D2/D3.

Steve- if you have no patience for bugs, I'm not sure that the D2 or D3 would be right for you given V Inc.'s track record with the D1. Since the D2 won't be out til March, it will probably be May or June before we can safely say that they are bug-free.

It seems like it will be a few months before we will have a relatively bug-free upscaling, DVI player in the sub-$300 range. This is the dilemma of being the early-adopter....you get the benefit of having the newest technology but you sometimes get what amounts to a beta-level unit (a la V880, D1, 3510A) that has bugs and leaves you impatiently waiting on firmware updates.

Originally posted by bdouble
Steve- if you have no patience for bugs, I'm not sure that the D2 or D3 would be right for you given V Inc.'s track record with the D1. Since the D2 won't be out til March, it will probably be May or June before we can safely say that they are bug-free.

It seems like it will be a few months before we will have a relatively bug-free upscaling, DVI player in the sub-$300 range. This is the dilemma of being the early-adopter....you get the benefit of having the newest technology but you sometimes get what amounts to a beta-level unit (a la V880, D1, 3510A) that has bugs and leaves you impatiently waiting on firmware updates.

I absolutely agree with you on this one. I've always been one to school early adopters of technology. The thing about vinc that I like over LG is that vinc will work with the consumer, get feedback and offer firmware fixes. I talked to vinc today and they did inform me that the D2 and D3 will have upgradeable firmware. The reason I'm sceptical about the LG is that getting a firmware fix requires such a long process of sending the unit to LG yadda yadda yadda. At least vinc is willing to work with people regarding firmware fixes.

To be honest with you, I'm thinking of going the HTPC route. I just think we're still some time away from a quality no-bug DVI DVD player with HD scaling. I guess we'll see with all the newer models coming out.

Regards
Steve

To be honest with you, I'm thinking of going the HTPC route. I just think we're still some time away from a quality no-bug DVI DVD player with HD scaling. I guess we'll see with all the newer models coming out.

I think the big advantage to this unit is having both DVD and HDTV available over DVI as most displays right now only have one DVI input. HD scaling of DVD is overrated, IMO. My TV has to scale everything to its native rez anyway (GWIII, 768p). I just send 480p with DVD's and let the TV scale once as opposed to double-scaling. It might be better still to send 480i via DVI but I'm not aware of any players that do that.

DVD will always take a back seat to true HD no matter what the source. Since I've had access to HDTV I've found DVD's just don't look as good. Can't wait for HD DVD, then we'll be talking.

Charles

cpcat, my experience with DVDs using the LG-3510A+DVI+Sammy DLP has been very HD-like.

I have the 3510 output set to 720p and the resulting DVD picture is very comparable to HD broadcasts. We watched the latest STING DVD the other night and it definitely had that "looking through a window" picture quality you get with HD broadcasts. The 3510 must have a pretty good scaler.

I made a forum comment a couple of months ago about the 3510 DVD quality being pretty much equal to HD broadcast quality and that HD-DVD wasn't needed. As long as I have this combo (3510+DVI+Sammy DLP), I'm skeptical HD-DVD could look noticeably better.

Ken

Wow, the fact you have a 720p display must be an advantage. For me, some DVD's obviously look better than others but none really approach good HD.

A good example was The Lion King on ABC the other night. I have the DVD and the HD version was noticeably better. Pearl Harbor was the same way.

I'm glad your happy with your 3510a. I am as well. I've had the Bravo D1 (too many operational issues) and the PQ seemed about the same.

Charles

cpcat

My personal experience with the 3510 was essentially a total disaster.

For DVD playback over DVI, 1080i and 720p to my 60" GWIII looked soft and unfocused. 480p over DVI (the better of the 3 resolutions over DVI)did not look as good as my old Toshiba 5109 that got something like a 46 rating in the Secrets testing.

Frankly, what I think LG was trying to do was take a $400 OTA HD tuner(which actually performed very well) and mate a fairly cheap DVD section to it. Problem with this is that someone who is into High Definition isn't going to settle with subpar performance out of a DVD player.

Well anyway, when it finally locked up, I sent it back to the vendor who wouldn't return my phone calls about returning it and I'm having to file a dispute with my credit card company to get my money back.

Bottom line, don't buy the first generation of any of these devices. They almost always have bugs in them and for the most part they only get worked out in later models.

Originally posted by JimP

Well anyway, when it finally locked up, I sent it back to the vendor who wouldn't return my phone calls about returning it and I'm having to file a dispute with my credit card company to get my money back.


What vendor ? I will be sure to avoid buying from them in the future.

Dozens

Check your PM.

Bottom line, don't buy the first generation of any of these devices. They almost always have bugs in them and for the most part they only get worked out in later models.

JimP,
Sounds like you got a raw deal. I initially was very happy with my PQ over DVD with the 3510a and felt it to be comparable to the Bravo D1 but without all the quirks. After some time with OTA HD however, I'd say I'm now merely "satisfied" with the PQ on DVD. Whether that's because I've gotten used to how good HD is or maybe the DVD PQ is subpar is hard to say. It's slightly better than when I used my Sony dvp-7000 via component so for now I'm staying put and I'll see if anything happens on the HD-DVD front over the next several mos.

I'm getting the "big 3" networks OTA from 50-101 miles out so I'd say the tuner is pretty good, anyway. Hopefully, I'll even get some QAM after about
10 years or so when my local Charter finally provides some HD.

Charles

Originally posted by cpcat
JimP,
Sounds like you got a raw deal. I initially was very happy with my PQ over DVD with the 3510a and felt it to be comparable to the Bravo D1 but without all the quirks. After some time with OTA HD however, I'd say I'm now merely "satisfied" with the PQ on DVD. Whether that's because I've gotten used to how good HD is or maybe the DVD PQ is subpar is hard to say. It's slightly better than when I used my Sony dvp-7000 via component so for now I'm staying put and I'll see if anything happens on the HD-DVD front over the next several mos.

I'm getting the "big 3" networks OTA from 50-110 miles out so I'd say the tuner is pretty good, anyway. Hopefully, I'll even get some QAM after about
10 years or so when my local Charter finally provides some HD.

Charles

Charles:
What is the manufacture and model# of the antenna that allow you to pickup 110 miles signal? Most of the antenna I ran cross is about 60miles. Thanks

Called both BenQ & LG about the my HDCP error when playign a dvd with the unit preset to 720p. BenQ said they tested their projector with D1 and Samsung (I think they said Samsung) dvi dvd players. The dvi engineer wasn't aware of the 3510A so I gave him all the info and he said he would look into it. The LG tech said that problem is likely with my projector because if I start in 480p and switch to 720p after the dvd starts everything works.

Hate to go on a tangent with the LST-3510a discussion but I'm not at all happy with the remote that came with the box. What's a good remote that's not too expensive that has the LST-3510a pre-programmed into it or one that has downloadable configurations for it? The main criteria is that not lose it's programming while changing batteries, this was a show stopper on the Sony units. It would be great if it also controlled my DirecTivo which is a mystery for many universal remotes.

Speedy,
I'm getting WCYB NBC out of Bristol which is 101mi away and 185kw UHF ch 28. Don't ask me how but it comes in without significant dropouts at about 65% signal strength. I'm using a CM 4228, BlonderTongue Vaulter III plus preamp, and 125' of RG6 cable. I've also gotten a PBS channel out of Asheville, NC at 115 miles but it's not consistent day to day.

There must be something favorable about the geography between here (Corbin,KY) to the southeast. I'm on a hill with an unobstructed view of that direction. My other stations are WYMT CBS Hazard, KY (50mi), WB Crossville TN (55mi), PAX Jellico TN (45mi), ABC and NBC Knoxville, TN (60mi)
PBS Somerset KY (45mi) all without dropouts. The CM 4228 is on a rotor and I have a CM Stealthtenna for VHF which is fixed and pointed at the CBS VHF station in Hazard. Everything is on my garage about 6 ft above roof level.

Charles

I edited my other post to indicate 101 miles not 110 to the Bristol NBC station.

Originally posted by buellwinkle
Hate to go on a tangent with the LST-3510a discussion but I'm not at all happy with the remote that came with the box. What's a good remote that's not too expensive that has the LST-3510a pre-programmed into it or one that has downloadable configurations for it? The main criteria is that not lose it's programming while changing batteries, this was a show stopper on the Sony units. It would be great if it also controlled my DirecTivo which is a mystery for many universal remotes.

If you don't mind a small learning curve, I'd suggest checking out a JP1 compatable remote.

http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/

You'd probably get more help on remotes if you posed this question in the remote forum. (The moderator also runs the JP1 Forum.)

/Bob

Originally posted by buellwinkle
Hate to go on a tangent with the LST-3510a discussion but I'm not at all happy with the remote that came with the box. What's a good remote that's not too expensive that has the LST-3510a pre-programmed into it or one that has downloadable configurations for it? The main criteria is that not lose it's programming while changing batteries, this was a show stopper on the Sony units. It would be great if it also controlled my DirecTivo which is a mystery for many universal remotes.

I would suggest a harmony st-659. I was the first Harmony user to have a 3510A and went through the process of learning commands and uploading them to the harmony website.

Originally posted by dozens
I would suggest a harmony st-659. I was the first Harmony user to have a 3510A and went through the process of learning commands and uploading them to the harmony website. I don't have the 3510A, but acquired a HTM MX-700 a month or so ago, having dismissed the Harmony 659 due to issues I'd read about, including disatisfaction with the position of transport buttons (near the bottom). I think the probability of satisfaction with the MX-700 is greater, but it costs more. I'm very happy with mine. Check out the remote control forum for comparisons, and of course, remotecentral.com.

I may get my firmware-fixed 3510 tomorrow - I'll post my DVI reset and HDCP test results.

FYI - Airborne picked up my 3510 on Tues 2/10, LG received it Wed 2/11, and shipped it Airborne this afternoon 2/13. If I get it tomorrow, 4 days total elapsed time is pretty impressive. Airborne was supposed to be 2-day service but I think Dallas-to-Huntsville was an easy one to make in 1 day.

Ken

Is there a national chain that carries these? Like Best Buy or CC or HHGregg?

Is this the new firmware that is supposed to fix the DVI handshake problems with the Z2? Were you have DVI issues in your setup?

John

Originally posted by kenhdtv
I may get my firmware-fixed 3510 tomorrow - I'll post my DVI reset and HDCP test results.

FYI - Airborne picked up my 3510 on Tues 2/10, LG received it Wed 2/11, and shipped it Airborne this afternoon 2/13. If I get it tomorrow, 4 days total elapsed time is pretty impressive. Airborne was supposed to be 2-day service but I think Dallas-to-Huntsville was an easy one to make in 1 day.

Ken

Didn't get it back Saturday - it will probably be Tues due to President's Day tomorrow. I was having the DVI reset problem and the occasional HDCP error msg problem on certain DVDs. I have a Sammy DLP.

I have asked for the details behind the firmware upgrade to better understand what was fixed. It may only fix the DVI reset issue which would be a bummer.

I'll post an update on Tuesday.

Ken

I also have a TS160 which is a Great receiver missing an RF Remote.
I got my TS360 on the $99.oo upgrade.
Hooked it up Friday night and flawless through DVI but using the supplied Component cables got a horrible Green Push.
This reminded me of the TS160 install with supplied component cables the picture was black and white.
THE FIX
A decent set of Component video cables. (I wonder why Samsung even bothers shipping what they ship)
I hooked up my Radio shack component cables and what a beautiful picture NO GREEN PUSH.
Where is the RF Remote and How Do I get one. This is why I chose this receiver.
The Best Feature is being able to send Component feeds in to the receiver for distribution out through DVI to the Monitor.I Love it!

I checked around, for the most part your are lucky if they understand what you want. Most of what the chains have are the DirecTV receivers and 1 or 2 ATSC tuners like Samsung and Motorola. Got my 3510a at J & R about a week ago for $449 (free shipping, no tax).

Originally posted by jcg
Is this the new firmware that is supposed to fix the DVI handshake problems with the Z2? Were you have DVI issues in your setup?

John

does anyone know what scaler/de-interlacer the 3510A uses? I've done searches here but cannot find this info.

pcPopcorn - what is the TS360 $99 upgrade???? Where do you get it??

Originally posted by kenhdtv
Didn't get it back Saturday - it will probably be Tues due to President's Day tomorrow. I was having the DVI reset problem and the occasional HDCP error msg problem on certain DVDs. I have a Sammy DLP.

I have asked for the details behind the firmware upgrade to better understand what was fixed. It may only fix the DVI reset issue which would be a bummer.

I'll post an update on Tuesday.

Ken

Ken - Did you get your unit back ? I am interested in hearing your experience with the new firmware.

Originally posted by dozens
Ken - Did you get your unit back ? I am interested in hearing your experience with the new firmware.
check this thread....http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=368158

Originally posted by Robert Whitehead
Yes, the Disney DVD problem was reported earlier by an LG engineer. However, he had an early version of the 3510A and at least one post reports no problems getting 720p/1080i out of Disney DVDs via DVI.

softengr- Could you try a Disney DVD on the 3510A and report back on the results?

Neither the HDCP compliant Samsung 931 or Denon 5900 have problems w/Disney DVDs, so there is no reason why the HDCP compliant 3510A should either.

Like all DVDs Disney uses CSS copy protection which should display on an HDCP display device from an HDCP DVD player according to the DVD Forum DVI standards for DVI & HDCP.


I just got a LG LST-3510A.

The DVI consistently outputs in 1080i (DHCP).

But the component output always goes to 480p when I play DVDs.

Some DVDs (all region ones from China, Korea, Japan) do play in 1080i mode; I have yet to find a US DVD that play 1080i through component.

I tried the Harmony, total bust, wouldn't work very well with the LG, I had to learn it simple things like the Play button. Also it felt cheap for a $200 remote (at BB). I'm returning it this weekend and ordered an MX-700, actual saved me money, $161 shipped with cable, brand new with warranty from an authorized dealer in Kansas and arrived today so I'm excite, new toy.

Can you send me your config file (mcx or whatever they call it) for the LG. I'll PM you my email address.

Originally posted by Muse
I don't have the 3510A, but acquired a HTM MX-700 a month or so ago, having dismissed the Harmony 659 due to issues I'd read about, including disatisfaction with the position of transport buttons (near the bottom). I think the probability of satisfaction with the MX-700 is greater, but it costs more. I'm very happy with mine. Check out the remote control forum for comparisons, and of course, remotecentral.com.

Originally posted by buellwinkle
I tried the Harmony, total bust, wouldn't work very well with the LG, I had to learn it simple things like the Play button. Also it felt cheap for a $200 remote (at BB). I'm returning it this weekend and ordered an MX-700, actual saved me money, $161 shipped with cable, brand new with warranty from an authorized dealer in Kansas and arrived today so I'm excite, new toy.

Can you send me your config file (mcx or whatever they call it) for the LG. I'll PM you my email address. As I said, I cancelled on the LG - I was reading many posts by people having HDCP handshake issues with their Z2's, and res reset issues. These issues are still in evidence, and since I'm having good luck lately with my Momitsu DVD (with the new firmware), I'm inclined right now to get a dedicated HDTV tuner instead of the 3510A, maybe the 3100A. If the 3410A would time shift I'd want it, although it's pretty pricey. However, it doesn't play a recording while continuing a recording.

I think you will be pretty happy with your MX-700. I'm still having some problems with a complex macro or two, but most of the things I've done have worked out great. If you have problems learning codes to it check out this thread I started:

MX-700 - Are there learning problems? (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=356588&perpage=20&pagenumber=1)

Is the issue with the 3510A and the Z2 only on DVDs? I know it's some kind of HDCP handshake issue, but not sure if HDCP comes into play with the OTA (or QAM) HD tuner. Reason I'm asking is am getting a 3410A and want to make sure that it won't have the same issues with the Z2 that the 3510A has (had?)? Thanks.

John

Originally posted by Muse
As I said, I cancelled on the LG - I was reading many posts by people having HDCP handshake issues with their Z2's, and res reset issues. These issues are still in evidence, and since I'm having good luck lately with my Momitsu DVD (with the new firmware), I'm inclined right now to get a dedicated HDTV tuner instead of the 3510A, maybe the 3100A. If the 3410A would time shift I'd want it, although it's pretty pricey. However, it doesn't play a recording while continuing a recording.

I think you will be pretty happy with your MX-700. I'm still having some problems with a complex macro or two, but most of the things I've done have worked out great. If you have problems learning codes to it check out this thread I started:

MX-700 - Are there learning problems? (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=356588&perpage=20&pagenumber=1)

LG LST-3510A

I've had this unit since late Jan and didn't have any HDCP handshake problems.

I've had this unit since late Jan and didn't have any HDCP handshake problems.
didn't have handshake problem with what display?

Yeah my question is specifically with regards to the Z2. The 3410A may not have the same problems as the 3510A, as I'm starting to think that the HDCP flags aren't used for OTA / QAM HDTV. Of course the broadcasters could turn the flags on in the future, and then all of a sudden the DVI on the 3410A may stop working. If anyone can verify HDCP flags aren't used on OTA broadcasts that would be great.

John

Originally posted by zeroendless
didn't have handshake problem with what display?

Hi Folks,

Just ordered the new Sony KF-42WE610. Am looking for a decent DVI out, HDCP compliant DVD player. This unit appears to fit the bill. Anybody have this combination?

Also, there is a Canadian version of a LG DVI out DVD player. Anybody know anything about this?

Originally posted by skeeter
Hi Folks,

Just ordered the new Sony KF-42WE610. Am looking for a decent DVI out, HDCP compliant DVD player. This unit appears to fit the bill. Anybody have this combination?

Also, there is a Canadian version of a LG DVI out DVD player. Anybody know anything about this?

I have the lst-3510a with a hit 50v500a (lcd rear proj) and it works great so far.

there is a thread about the canadian player you are talking about here http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=348481 this unit is only a dvd player...there is a us version of the same player coming to the us market soon.

the lst-3510a is a ota/qam tuner plus dvd player. if you do not need the tuner, there are a few cheaper options out there now and more coming soon.

Just picked up a lst-3510a from Best Buy today, and just finished catching up on this thread. It's connected to a Sanyo PLV-Z2. I have no problems with the unit remembering to stay in fixed DVI 720p mode after rebooting. I also have no problems with HDCP sync over a 6m DVI cable.

I have experienced audio dropouts in DVD mode, caused by some remote button strings (wasn't paying attention when it happened). They are fixed if I switch to HD tuner mode and back to DVD. Others have mentioned this issue. Not a deal breaker for me.

I love the unit, but my one real gripe is this. I can send DVD signal to the projector at 720p via DVI, but component will only send 480p. The LST-3510A will *display* 720p on the front LCD, but transmit 480p. Tricky. You can confirm what signal the Z2 is receiving by going to the input 1 menu and manually selecting a resolution instead of AUTO. If the picture appears after sync, that is the signal you're receiving. Otherwise it's something else.

Can someone confirm this? Luchan, I know you're using a Z2 and claim to get 720p over component. Have you verified with the above method? If you are getting 720p, what steps are you using?

EDIT: This is a known issue discussed in this thread:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=368158&perpage=20&pagenumber=1

Remember the early version of firmware allowed you to get 720p/1080i over component on encrypted DVDs. I think that is what Luchen was using, but I see your post in the other thread saying you may have found a way to get it working in the latest firmware. My guess is it's working because you have the DVI cable attached and are getting an HDCP handshake. If you end up getting it to work with the DVI detached that will be great news.

John

Originally posted by Luxo
Just picked up a lst-3510a from Best Buy today, and just finished catching up on this thread. It's connected to a Sanyo PLV-Z2. I have no problems with the unit remembering to stay in fixed DVI 720p mode after rebooting. I also have no problems with HDCP sync over a 6m DVI cable.

I have experienced audio dropouts in DVD mode, caused by some remote button strings (wasn't paying attention when it happened). They are fixed if I switch to HD tuner mode and back to DVD. Others have mentioned this issue. Not a deal breaker for me.

I love the unit, but my one real gripe is this. I can send DVD signal to the projector at 720p via DVI, but component will only send 480p. The LST-3510A will *display* 720p on the front LCD, but transmit 480p. Tricky. You can confirm what signal the Z2 is receiving by going to the input 1 menu and manually selecting a resolution instead of AUTO. If the picture appears after sync, that is the signal you're receiving. Otherwise it's something else.

Can someone confirm this? Luchan, I know you're using a Z2 and claim to get 720p over component. Have you verified with the above method? If you are getting 720p, what steps are you using?

EDIT: This is a known issue discussed in this thread:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=368158&perpage=20&pagenumber=1

Originally posted by zeroendless
didn't have handshake problem with what display?

Toshiba
34HDX82
65HDX82

jcg,

How in the heck did you get it through Best Buy?

I am in central NH and called my local Best Buy and Circuit City.
There wasn't a soul that knew what I was talking about. It wasn't in their computers.

I don't think I ever said I got one at Best Buy? I actually don't even have the 3510A as I changed my mind and am waiting for my local retailer to get their next batch of 3410s. I'm just hoping the issues the 3510A had with the Z2 (and are now supposedly fixed with the latest firmware) are also fixed on the 3410.

John

Originally posted by skeeter
jcg,

How in the heck did you get it through Best Buy?

I am in central NH and called my local Best Buy and Circuit City.
There wasn't a soul that knew what I was talking about. It wasn't in their computers.

jcg, I think skeeter meant Luxo.

South East Michigan Best Buy and Circuit City employees as clueless about the LST-3510A as a dear in headlights. One of them in Best Buy didn't even know OTA receivers even existed. Only knew of DirectTV boxes, Bah! Any locals with better luck here?

Anyone know how to make this unit's DVD player "All Region?"

does the LG 3510A use the Faroudja chip? How is the DVD 1080i playback? Can you get 1080i through component too?

Originally posted by eye_candy
does the LG 3510A use the Faroudja chip? How is the DVD 1080i playback? Can you get 1080i through component too?

I am not sure what chip.

1080i through DVI works great; picture is sharper than my Toshiba progressive player.

Can't get 1080i or 720p through component (for Region 1 discs).

Display = Toshiba 34HDX82 and 65HDX82

Is anyone else losing picture while watching dvds via dvi ? My projector is losing its picture and then searching for it 3-4 times per dvd. At first I thought it might be dust or finger prints on the dvd but I just watched a new dvd (FotR EE) last night and it still happened, a little less frequent maybe 2 times per dvd. Is something wrong with the player ? I never lose my signal over cable via componet or OTA. So I am ruling out the projector and the dvi cable.

Originally posted by dozens
Is anyone else losing picture while watching dvds via dvi ? My projector is losing its picture and then searching for it 3-4 times per dvd. At first I thought it might be dust or finger prints on the dvd but I just watched a new dvd (FotR EE) last night and it still happened, a little less frequent maybe 2 times per dvd. Is something wrong with the player ? I never lose my signal over cable via componet or OTA. So I am ruling out the projector and the dvi cable.
Yes, I had that issue too! I finally returned mine for a refund. I sent my 3510A into LG to see if they could fix an issue I was having with the QAM tuner. When I got it back it would lose the signal on DVDs about 3 times an hour. That didn't happen with the HD tuner so it wasn't the cable. I don't know if the software upgrade they did started causing that or if something came loose during all the shipping back and forth. I'm still disappointed that I didn't feel comfortable enough to keep the unit. When working correctly it produced a stunning picture. Did you recently get a firmware upgrade from LG by any chance?

Originally posted by JimSD
Yes, I had that issue too! I finally returned mine for a refund. I sent my 3510A into LG to see if they could fix an issue I was having with the QAM tuner. When I got it back it would lose the signal on DVDs about 3 times an hour. That didn't happen with the HD tuner so it wasn't the cable. I don't know if the software upgrade they did started causing that or if something came loose during all the shipping back and forth. I'm still disappointed that I didn't feel comfortable enough to keep the unit. When working correctly it produced a stunning picture. Did you recently get a firmware upgrade from LG by any chance?

Yes, I have had the firmware update.

Did you notice the problem right after the firmware update or did it just start recently? Mine was immediately after a firmware update done the end of February. Like I said though, it could be something came loose during shipping or some other hardware issue.

dozens, One thing to try is see if the problem occurs on via the component output on the 3510A. My problem with the DVD output was only on the DVI output - it didn't occur on the component output. I can already hear the choruses of "It must be the cable then!", but since it didn't occur with HD output via DVI I could only conclude it must be something else. I also saw for the first time during one of those signal outages the message box that says you must have an HDCP compliant display. I had never seen that before the firmware upgrade.

Those having DVD dropout problems: Do you have sufficient space above the box? Those MPEG2 receivers do get hot and DVDs don't like to be hot. Feel the top of the player next time it happens and report back please. I am expecting my 3510A next Friday.

I had a VCR stacked on top of it. No problems before it was sent back for the firmware upgrade. It would happen within 10 minutes, so not a lot of time for heat to build up. Also, it didn't seem to have a problem if I used the component output.

Originally posted by VelociRacer
Those having DVD dropout problems: Do you have sufficient space above the box? Those MPEG2 receivers do get hot and DVDs don't like to be hot. Feel the top of the player next time it happens and report back please. I am expecting my 3510A next Friday.

Mine sits alone on a A/V shelf without any sides and a good 6 inches above it.

I just bought my LG 3510 today from Circuit City. I hooked it up to my regular Time Warner Cable just to see what I would get. For some reason I receive all of the movie channels and music channels. I'm not a subscriber to those. Does the 3510 decode these somehow? Not that I'm complaining at all, but I thought it was just odd. By the way I also receive DiscoveryHD, CBSHD and some others that my cable company provides and some OTA. All in all a pretty nice little machine. I can't really comment on the PQ right now because I don't even have my HDTV YET.

kirk, the 3510 will display any unscrambled digital content (video or music) your cable company broadcasts. It will not handle OTA & cable at the same time since it only has one cable-IN connection.

This box does an awesome job with DVDs if you use the DVI connection with a fixed pixel display like a Sammy DLP.

Ken

I posted something similar on the thread "LG-3510A firmware fix results = DVI RESET FIXED, HDCP DVD problem NOT FIXED" http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=3422167#post3422167
I am losing sync with dvi when in variable or native mode and changing channels on my sony 30hs510. I perform the dvd/dtv toggle and regain reception, but this is definitely a pain. I don't use dvi anymore, just component. I feel that pix quality is not as vibrant over dvi vs. component, maybe I need to redo my calibrations using DVE?
I am also unable to manually tune (enter the channel number on number pad of remote) to channels 2-x or 1-1 in my area. I have set up the surf button to 1-1 and can use that to get there, but still...

Furthermore, and more discouraging, is that I can't seem to lock in my PBS high definition channel 1-1 in St Paul/Minneapolis. No matter how much I tweak my rooftop antenna using the rotor, it always ends up losing the signal??, the picture pixelates and the audio drops out. The signal meter will drop to about 15% and then come back up to about 65%. This is the only station that does this, I can get a signal locked in with no problems for all other local OTA stations. What's even more confusing is that my local PBS station, TPT, broadcasts 5 other SD channels mapped to channels 2.1-2.5. I would assume that both channels are being broadcast from the same tower. which is 9.5 miles away. So this leads me to believe something is wrong with the stb. Does anyone know why this is happening?? If it is the box, I still have time on my warranty.

Peace,

Tim

"kirk, the 3510 will display any unscrambled digital content (video or music) your cable company broadcasts. It will not handle OTA & cable at the same time since it only has one cable-IN connection."


How do you switch between OTA & cable? I'd love to have any/all unscrambled channels, but I also need the OTA signals.

Nick, by unscrambled digital content, I mean HD-type signals, not all the channels you get through your cable box. Usually, cable companies will broadcast your local HD channels and a few others, but you won't be able to use the 3510 as a replacement cable box.

Also, there isn't an easy way to switch between OTA & cable - you have to actually swap the cables (OTA antenna cable & Comcast cable).

Ken

This is my first HD experience and I am very pleased. It seems to have a quite a few features, plays back DVD's awesome, upscales great, received and decodes QAM from TWC, and I got a few OTA channels(about par with my area with just a really old crappy antenna). My one complaint is that it can't receive both OTA and QAM at the same time and be able to choose between them, unless I unplug it and plug the other input it AND have to rescan.

Is there anyway to get both OTA and QAM without doing the switcheroo?
Thanks

Kirk

Another question.
With this I can receive QAM from TWC. Is this stealing? Some of the channels come in but a lot don't. The HD ones come in. Do I HAVE to rent their STB to get HD(as far as legally)? Why would LG put QAM if it's illegal?

Oh, One more question. I have a Sony Grand Wega III coming. Anyone have this combination with the LG LST 3510? Or should I cancel and go with the Samsung DLP? Thanks once again,
Kirk

The problem I heard with the Sony LCDs are dead pixels. It's annoying enough on a laptop but I heard it's major annoying when magnified to a 50" screen. The CC salesmonkey said they have gotten a high precentage of returns. I would pefer the DLP unit, nicer PQ in my opinion. Also you may want to wait a little for the new RCA DLP, 6" thick 50" - 61" TV if depth is an issue.

Originally posted by kirk_olson
Oh, One more question. I have a Sony Grand Wega III coming. Anyone have this combination with the LG LST 3510? Or should I cancel and go with the Samsung DLP? Thanks once again,
Kirk
not sure about the sony lcd, but I do have a hitachi 50v500 (rear proj lcd) and an lst-3510a and they work great together.

straying off topic a bit....but, I would disagree about the dead pixel comment. my set has a few stuck pixels, but they are only noticeable within 2 feet of the screen. I don't see this ever being an issue personally. you should check out the sony GWIII threads...there have been some significant quality isssues with them. not trying to bash sony...there are pros and cons with the sony and hitachi lcd's as well as with the dlp sets...these are all discussed at great length on various threads here at avs. my suggestion would be to do some research, spend some time with each set in the store, and then choose the one that suits you best personally.

Originally posted by kirk_olson
Another question.
With this I can receive QAM from TWC. Is this stealing? Some of the channels come in but a lot don't. The HD ones come in. Do I HAVE to rent their STB to get HD(as far as legally)? Why would LG put QAM if it's illegal?
No, it's not stealing. Before I returned my 3510A I had TWC San Diego come out to check my signal level to see if it was OK. I had a long conversation with a TWC supervisor about the use of our own QAM tuners as opposed to renting their box. His position was that it is similar to 20 years ago when cable-ready TVs started to hit the market, obviating the need for a cable box in many cases. Basically, he was on our side. However, he acknowledged that not everyone in the company agreed with his position, but that after some lengthy discussions they had agreed with him. So I think you will see some variance in policies between TWC franchises. I forgot to mention, at first a TWC tech came out to my house to test the signal level and left when he saw I had my own tuner. I contacted the supervisor and he couldn't understand why the guy wouldn't help. That is what started the internal discussions they had about customers using their own QAM tuners.

Thanks for your replys. I contacted Diana from TWC of South Carolina and she didn't think I was stealing cable. She thinks I'm ok as long as I get what I pay for. I'm just getting a few HD channels nothing to brag about, but just wanted to make sure.
Thanks guys, I'll post the results once a get my Sony GWIII on Monday(Hopefully). If I decide that I don't like it within my 30 days I'll return it and just wait til June for the new Samsung DLPs. Thanks

Originally posted by buellwinkle
The problem I heard with the Sony LCDs are dead pixels. It's annoying enough on a laptop but I heard it's major annoying when magnified to a 50" screen. The CC salesmonkey said they have gotten a high precentage of returns. I would pefer the DLP unit, nicer PQ in my opinion. Also you may want to wait a little for the new RCA DLP, 6" thick 50" - 61" TV if depth is an issue.

I bought my Toshiba 34HDX82 and 65HDX82 (CRT, Traditional RP) about the same time as 2 of my friends who bought 50" and 60" Sony LCD RP units.

In my opinion, the Sony LCD RP units do not come near CRT units in total picture quality. I could afford the space and weight so I am happy.

If you can't afford the space, go with DLP (one step above the LCD RP units).

IMHO, I rank the technologies as follows in total PQ:

1) CRT/Traditional RP
2) Plasma
3) DLP
4) LCD/LCD RP
5) LCOS

Kirk Olson,
I have the GWIII with the 3510a. Good combo for me. Using DVI for DVD as well as HD OTA. I have a few stuck pixels but I really wouldn't worry about that, you can only see them on a blank screen and then only from a foot or two away.

I do have the reset issue with the 3510a but it really doesn't bother me. It doesn't occur unless you're in native or variable mode. No problems with DVD playback (don't think I want the firmware upgrade if it will screw up DVD playback).

I would disagree with the "ranking of technology" as above. I don't think there is a clear ranking. It depends on what you want out of your display.

Charles

Originally posted by cpcat
Kirk Olson,
I would disagree with the "ranking of technology" as above. I don't think there is a clear ranking. It depends on what you want out of your display.
I agree with you 100%. Each technology has its trade-offs, and everyone has a different setup and different needs......each individual needs to do their homework and decide what is best for them.

Would the 3510A be good with a KD34xbr2? I'd like to get a STB to handle QAM and the idea of a built in DVD player is appealing since I don't have one. But what do I lose since the TV doesn't support DVI. Is there any other similar product to the 3510A which might be more compatible with my TV? Is i.link dead?

Thanks.

John

I saw this model in a Circuit City for around $449. It was just north of Pittsburgh in Beaver. Is this a good price?

Originally posted by STEELERSRULE
I saw this model in a Circuit City for around $449. It was just north of Pittsburgh in Beaver. Is this a good price?


YUP! Lots of places selling it for $499. I need to check out CC.

Originally posted by bdouble
I agree with you 100%. Each technology has its trade-offs, and everyone has a different setup and different needs......each individual needs to do their homework and decide what is best for them.

I agree with "different need for different situation" but I belive the tube and RP gives you the best overall picture quality.


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Originally posted by Johnr0836
Would the 3510A be good with a KD34xbr2? I'd like to get a STB to handle QAM and the idea of a built in DVD player is appealing since I don't have one. But what do I lose since the TV doesn't support DVI. Is there any other similar product to the 3510A which might be more compatible with my TV? Is i.link dead?

Thanks.

John

3510A DVD will only output 480P through component (for region 1 DVDs).

I would go with 3100A for the tuner and a separate DVD player.

If you don't want a regular progressive scan DVD player, I would get a 1080i/720p player:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=341099

Originally posted by kirk_olson
This is my first HD experience and I am very pleased. It seems to have a quite a few features, plays back DVD's awesome, upscales great, received and decodes QAM from TWC, and I got a few OTA channels(about par with my area with just a really old crappy antenna). My one complaint is that it can't receive both OTA and QAM at the same time and be able to choose between them, unless I unplug it and plug the other input it AND have to rescan.

Is there anyway to get both OTA and QAM without doing the switcheroo?
Thanks

Kirk


You could use a cable spliter from the wall and send one directly to the tv and the other to the 3510A . Then connect your 3510A with DVI or Component to your tv. You would then use the TV tuner for QAM and the 3510A for HDTV.

Mark

You could use a cable spliter from the wall and send one directly to the tv and the other to the 3510A . Then connect your 3510A with DVI or Component to your tv. You would then use the TV tuner for QAM and the 3510A for HDTV.

Mark,
I'm not sure exactly what you mean by this. Assuming the TV has an integrated QAM tuner you could do this (many new sets have integrated ATSC tuners, I'm not sure if any current models have QAM yet. The cable companies are supposed to come up with an access card that you insert into the back of the set to activate it). If that were the case though, you wouldn't really need a seperate ATSC/QAM tuner in the first place. Maybe you were confusing QAM with analog cable?



Is there anyway to get both OTA and QAM without doing the switcheroo

Kirk,
The easiest thing would be to put in an in-line coax switcher, run both cable and antenna feed to it with the output to the 3510a, then manually switch. These are available from Radio Shack. I don't think you can avoid having to change from DTV to QAM in the setup menu, though, and this will cause you to lose your saved channels.

Charles

Originally posted by cpcat
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Kirk,
The easiest thing would be to put in an in-line coax switcher, run both cable and antenna feed to it with the output to the 3510a, then manually switch. These are available from Radio Shack.

Charles [/B]

If I did this would I have to rescan all of the channels again using EZscan?

If I did this would I have to rescan all of the channels again using EZscan?

Yes. I think you lose your saved channels. You have to switch from DTV to QAM in the setup menu as well. I guess the designers figured not many of us would be using the box for QAM/ATSC simultaneously.

Charles

Originally posted by cpcat
Yes. I think you lose your saved channels. You have to switch from DTV to QAM in the setup menu as well. I guess the designers figured not many of us would be using the box for QAM/ATSC simultaneously.

Charles

That is one of the main reasons I bought this so I could do both. I'm not too disappointed but this would have been cool. There are channels that I could get OTA that I can't get QAM and vice versa. I was just hoping to have them all, all at the same time. I'm very happy with this unit so far though.

Originally posted by cpcat


Kirk,
The easiest thing would be to put in an in-line coax switcher, run both cable and antenna feed to it with the output to the 3510a, then manually switch. These are available from Radio Shack. I don't think you can avoid having to change from DTV to QAM in the setup menu, though, and this will cause you to lose your saved channels.

Charles


Actually the easiest solution would be to buy two 3510s and use one for ATSC and the other for QAM. :D :p

Sorry I couldn't help myself, I just has to tease you a little bit on this one.

And actually, I think two 3510s would be a problem, since I don't remember reading anything in the manual about setting the units so that they can be controlled by different remotes.

Originally posted by cpcat
Mark,
I'm not sure exactly what you mean by this. Assuming the TV has an integrated QAM tuner you could do this (many new sets have integrated ATSC tuners, I'm not sure if any current models have QAM yet. The cable companies are supposed to come up with an access card that you insert into the back of the set to activate it). If that were the case though, you wouldn't really need a seperate ATSC/QAM tuner in the first place. Maybe you were confusing QAM with analog cable?
Charles

Your right. I was thinking analog cable.

Mark

Circuit City is delivering a new KF-42WE610 today and a LST-3510A.

A few weeks ago I went to look for this LG unit but no one knew anything about it. Yesterdeay I went into CC to arrange delivery of the GWIII and what is staring at me from the shelf? A brand new LST-3510A. Well, that got placed on the delivery order quickly.

I have a LINDY 2 Port DVI switch with LINDY dual link DVI cables. This will connect the LST-3510A and Comcast's Moto 5100 with DVI to my GWIII.

Will let you know what I find.

What a magnificent image. The combination of KF-42WE610, LST-3510A and a LINDY DVI Switch appear to work flawlessly.

The LST-3510A is being used on 'CADTV' or QAM from cable. Picked up all the networks in HD, PBS HD Fox and a few more WGBH type stations. I must say, the WAF is OK on this one.

Comcast comes on Monday to hook up the Moto 5100 via DVI. This will give us a total of 10 channels in HD.

The LST-3510A used in DVD mode is outstanding. Image quality is spectacular.
Have not had any problems via Disney discs or anything of this sort at all. A number of people have come to the house to see this and all end up ooohing and ahhhing.

The LINDY DVI Switch performed perfectly. Once the cables were hooked up it recognized the signal and performed as indicated.

I must say, the Sony, OOTB has a spectacular image. Brightness is set up in torch mode but adjusts very easily.

So, for now I am the proverbial 'Cheshire Cat' with a smile from ear to ear.

:D :D

Originally posted by skeeter
What a magnificent image. The combination of KF-42WE610, LST-3510A and a LINDY DVI Switch appear to work flawlessly.

The LST-3510A is being used on 'CADTV' or QAM from cable. Picked up all the networks in HD, PBS HD Fox and a few more WGBH type stations. I must say, the WAF is OK on this one.

Comcast comes on Monday to hook up the Moto 5100 via DVI. This will give us a total of 10 channels in HD.

The LST-3510A used in DVD mode is outstanding. Image quality is spectacular.
Have not had any problems via Disney discs or anything of this sort at all. A number of people have come to the house to see this and all end up ooohing and ahhhing.

The LINDY DVI Switch performed perfectly. Once the cables were hooked up it recognized the signal and performed as indicated.

I must say, the Sony, OOTB has a spectacular image. Brightness is set up in torch mode but adjusts very easily.

So, for now I am the proverbial 'Cheshire Cat' with a smile from ear to ear.

:D :D

That's awesome!!

My Sony GWIII 50" should be here on Monday, and along with my LST-3510A it should look great. I can't wait to hook it up. I just bought a new receiver(Pioneer Elite VSX-53TX) and that will be here Monday as well. I can't wait to get everything finally hooked up after all of this time waiting to get it done. Once I get everything hooked up I'll then have to decide whether or not to VOOM or not to VOOM. We'll see about that one.
Where can a find a Lindy DVI Switch? and how much?
Thanks
Kirk

CC in Lawrenceville NJ has 3510A in stock.
I have a question about what resolution is on a DVD. Is it only 480i which the hardware(i.e. 3510A) converts to a higher resolution or are DVD recorded at 1080i and the average DVD player only outputs 480i or 480p?

I have a Toshiba CinemaSeries HD (CRT/RP) and have only used it with basic cable (realllly basic, like the $8 a month cable) and an Onkyo 301 DVD player ,oh and Xbox with the high-def pack. Here is my story:

I have been wanting an OTA tuner for some time. The DVD => 1080/420p sounded cool too.... So I walked into CC today and there it was. Did my thing, added a DVI cable ($!!!) to the mix and asked what they could do. It was new, they hadn't sold one and the kid seemed jazzed that I kind of new what it was...anyway, they knocked off some more $$ and I got the three year extended for free as well. Part of that was on the assumption that I was buying a long DVI cable ( I thought I needed one)...but more on that later.

The LG has a lot to it. The manual ought to be a good read. I wanted to do a comparison so I reset my TV prefrences for two of the component ins, borrowed my friends LotR DVD and played one off the Onkyo (Monster Cable component) and one off the LG (component cables that came with Xbox high-def pack).

At first the LG looked kind of funny, so I messed with the various outputs on the unit (1080i, 720P, etc, etc). Nothing really changed, the image quality looked the same. I fired up the Onkyo and it was like 'wow' and I thought that something has to be wrong with the LG. In comparison the LG was washed out sort of, drastic really - green overtones maybe - the whole picture looked depressed. Soo...I swapped disks...Onkyo looked vivid and pretty good, the LG still looked bad. Checked the connections on the TV and both sets of components were in tight, same on the LG and Onkyo - but I reseated them all anyway. Same result. Swapped cables on the DVD end and the problem went to the Onkyo and the LG looked ok...now I am praying that something isn't wrong with a set of components on the TV. Swap on the TV end and it went back Onkyo good/LG bad....SO...its the cable.

I put the Onkyo on the cables that came in the LG box and we are back in business. Of course, the big question is: why doesn't the XBox look so bad on those cables (these are MS branded ones you get at EB Games or whatever - its the breakout box with Optical out and Components w/cables)? More on that later.

LG set up on Monster components, Onkyo setup on the LG cables from the box. Watching the same chapters of LotR, pausing, zooming, etc and going back and forth between the two images. Initial thought, I like the LG better. It looks punchier (not sure of that is correct term), the colors were more vibrant and the dark scenes, with action, looked smoother on the LG. But, I didn't notice a drastic change in picture quality. I toggled through the output modes on the LG and the TV would flicker for a second and then come back in, but the image really looked the same if it was 420p or if it was 1080i.

I hooked the XBox back up, this time on the LG cables from the box and it looked great. Maybe its because now I thought that the other cables were 'bad' but the picture seemed quite a bit better, the text and colors on Rainbow Six (480p) looked better. I am going to check more games tomorow, and probably switch cables again for the Xbox and try to duplicate the issues. But lets say that is is the cables, would the Xbox not show the damage as much as say a movie? The image quality was very noticable on LotR on those cables - my mother would have said it looked funny - but maybe because a movie has realistic imagery it stood out more then on the XBox? ('Hey, a REAL Halo doesnt look like that!')

Anyway, over all I am pleased. The unit seems well made, and other then being that new-age silver (all my components and racks are black) I like it. I get 1 OTA (ABC) with some rabbit ears on the floor 80% - I will have to work out that issue soon. :(

A few questions:

Do I need the DVI cable? I have read confilicting reports - and this might explain why I only noticed 'subtle' differences between the two DVD players- does the LG only output 1080i/720p for DVD with the DVI output?

My TV (Toshiba) only has options for 1080i and 540p and for all my 'tests' I set it at 1080i. I figured that it upconverted everything when it could. Unfortunetly I don't think there is a 'what am I doing now' button for the TV where it says its HD status. When I got the 1 OTA channel (ABC) I was UNABLE to change the picture size on the TV, which lead me to believe that it was true HD. When I was playing a DVD (on component) I was able to toggle the HD output quality like I said and also resize the picture on the TV. It wasn't like the TV said 'ooh ooh ooh, HD signal here, can't resize it!'. I know that DVD isnt HD natively, but doesn't the LG send it to the TV as such? So the TV should think that its getting the equivelent of an OTA HD signal, expect its actually Joe Dirt on DVD?

I plugged my regular coax feed from the wall into the LG, normally I get about 30 channels or so, in all its muddy glory (Comcast). I did an EZScan as DTV for an option. It didn't find anything. I then did an EZScan on CATV with the STD option (I wore protection) and it came up with a TON of channels...almost a hundred, a ton of music (audio only) channels... and ocasionally what seemed to be local broadcast channels that the LG had labled as 'HD' but with no otherwise (no ABC-DT, etc) PBS was one, because of the logo in the bottom corner. Looked like CBS, and ABC again maybe. It's late, so its just infomercials so it is hard to tell. There were other CATV EZScan options, IRC and HFC (I think those are what they are called). One didnt get me anything at all, no channels. The other got me similiar results to the STD option but a few differences in numbering. Is there a master list of what is on Comcast for certain locales (Spokane, WA)? Am I 'ripping off' Comcast because I didn't pay for the Salsa music channel?

Finally, on the DVI, if I am going to need it (I would like to get the most out of the LG, so if there is an improvment in the DVD output with DVI I will go that route - however slight that improvement may be) how long can it be? My TV manual suggests 3m, the one I have (unopened as of now) is 4 meters, which gets me closer to my rack... If monster cable is over kill for a DVI cable (1's and 0's after all) is there something else people reccommend? I can get my $130 back on the monster cable from CC this week if I don't open it (and still keep the 'discount' on the LG :))

Sorry about the long post, just wanted to get my experience out there. If someone has any questions or whats me to look at anthing specific on the LG just shoot me a message. If you have any comments or suggestions let me know (I am going to skim this thread some more again tommorow)
Thanks
S

Wow... long post... hehe


Anyways, the problem you're seeing is a common problem earlier in the thread. The LG will not upscale DVDs over the component outputs, this is DVI only (copy protection, blah blah blah). There was some trickery on the older firmware to get it to work, but if you have a DVI cable why bother (unless you have a component input on your receiver...).

I have bought a couple of generic DVI cables that I have had no problems with at all (for my computer and my tv). Got them for around $10 + shipping or so. 3 and 6 meter cables. You won't necessarily see a difference between cheaper cables and monster cables for DVI unless you exceed a certain length of the cables or if its just a "bad" cable.

Oh and DTV means Digital TV off the air.. thats why you didn't detect any channels.

Where did you get $10 for DVI cable?

Oops.. sorry.. I got them off of ebay...

Originally posted by dozens
Is anyone else losing picture while watching dvds via dvi ? My projector is losing its picture and then searching for it 3-4 times per dvd. At first I thought it might be dust or finger prints on the dvd but I just watched a new dvd (FotR EE) last night and it still happened, a little less frequent maybe 2 times per dvd. Is something wrong with the player ? I never lose my signal over cable via componet or OTA. So I am ruling out the projector and the dvi cable.


I had my Tosh 34HD82 sent in for "repair" about a month ago (it took them a month to do everything... and don't get me started on THAT story heh..) with my Best Buy extended warranty. They fixed the line down the middle of the picture (yay!!) and they Toshiba had the repair center replace the DVI module in my TV with a newer one. Apparently there are problems with some of the new DVI equipment and old DVI modules.

I haven't seen the problem since, but I haven't been watching HD or DVDs lately for some reason (I think its because I upgraded my Tivo Series 2 to 277 hours heh). But I was able to watch Ice Age (doing a double test :D without losing picture or without my vertical bar) with no problems. Also before when it would drop out the status light on the front of my TV would blink the whole time. Now it stays solid, which makes me thinking the handshake is working appropriately.

I'd call your TV manufacturers to see if they have an updated DVI module.

Originally posted by Blackforge
I had my Tosh 34HD82 sent in for "repair" about a month ago (it took them a month to do everything... and don't get me started on THAT story heh..) with my Best Buy extended warranty. They fixed the line down the middle of the picture (yay!!) and they Toshiba had the repair center replace the DVI module in my TV with a newer one. Apparently there are problems with some of the new DVI equipment and old DVI modules.

I haven't seen the problem since, but I haven't been watching HD or DVDs lately for some reason (I think its because I upgraded my Tivo Series 2 to 277 hours heh). But I was able to watch Ice Age (doing a double test :D without losing picture or without my vertical bar) with no problems. Also before when it would drop out the status light on the front of my TV would blink the whole time. Now it stays solid, which makes me thinking the handshake is working appropriately.

I'd call your TV manufacturers to see if they have an updated DVI module.

Is line in the middle a faint vertical line visible only when screen is light and bright before you got it fixed?

Originally posted by yellowderek
Is line in the middle a faint vertical line visible only when screen is light and bright before you got it fixed?


Yeah thats it. It was a little to the right of the center of the screen. It was a darker band of the picture as compared to the rest. Usually it was noticeable during bright white, but I was watching Finding Nemo and noticed it several times and it got on my nerves, thats why I called for the repair and I mentioned my DVI problems and thats how I learned about the DVI module also.

Just received my GWIII 50" today. My first HDTV, and man is it awesome. March 04 build date with an outstanding picture quality. I have it hooked up to my LG LST-3510A. DVD's look amazing and CBS HD shows are awesome. I'm so happy that I finally got this.
HDTV is awesome. Now I need some more content, so maybe VOOM and definitely a Netflix subscription. This DVD player is a really great player. I watched Star Wars Episode II and just looked outstanding. I was only using the component that came with it, but tomorrow I will receive my DVI cable and see how that goes.

Congratulations on your GWIII. It and the 3510a make a good combo. I've been playing around with the two for quite some time and have been very happy so far. Be prepared to get spoiled with HDTV, though. DVD's
start to not look so great anymore. Sigh, I guess we'll just have to wait for HD DVD.

Charles

I am using a Monster DVI400 (single link - 2 meters) from the LG to a Toshiba CRT projection TV. Going back and forth between the component (480p from the LG, TV takes it to 520p or 1080i - those are my only options on the TV's menu) the component looks more vivid while the DVI (480p, 720p, 1081i) looks flatter and duller. All the TV settings are set to factory for the test on both the component in and the DVI in.

On the component connection I can resize the image on the TV, while on the DVI connection I am unable to - telling me that the TV is getting an HD picture.

All this is testing with on DVD's only. I watched a small amount of OTA HD CBS (on the DVI) but didn't do component/DVI the test with that. It was CSI Miami, which has a funny color to it anyway and I haven't viewed it in HD with compeonent so I dont know if anything was wrong.

I know I overpaid according to everyone's opinion on Monster Cable, and I will take it back but I am not sure if that is the problem. What cable is everyone using with their LG STB? Is the 'flat' DVD image problem sympamatic of a DVI cable issue?

OneCall's home retail store is here in Spokane, and they give me decent deals, I talked with them and they said they had shipped back a whole slew of the DVI300/400 cables because people where having various issues. They started carrying DisplayMagic dual-link cables from bettercables dot com their place and haven't had the return rate that prompted them to ditch the batch of Monster cable they had.

All the instores displays are running the DisplayMagic cables now he said, and I checked them out and they looked good.

Any suggestions?

PS, my LG is new, came in on Sunday at CC where I picked it up. So it probably has the newest firmware it has these attributes:

It doesn't lose any of the settings powering off and on - it remembers where it was at and goes back to that
Component only puts out 480p
Disney DVD's are playing fine
Gonzaga makes me angry (not LG's fault)

I have a question on the LST3510A. I just picked mine up on Sunday also at CC. I do not have the reset issue. I can upscale DVD's using DVI, I have not tried component yet. When the unit is off, the power light stays on and there is a lighted circle with a vertical line through it in the center of the display. When I turn the unit on, the light above the power button goes off as does the lighted circle. Is this normal having the power button light on when the unit is off and off when the unit is on?

djmiked,
Having the power light on and having the lighted circle on when your LG LST3510A is turned off is perfectly normal.

Originally posted by djmiked
I have a question on the LST3510A. I just picked mine up on Sunday also at CC. I do not have the reset issue. I can upscale DVD's using DVI, I have not tried component yet. When the unit is off, the power light stays on and there is a lighted circle with a vertical line through it in the center of the display. When I turn the unit on, the light above the power button goes off as does the lighted circle. Is this normal having the power button light on when the unit is off and off when the unit is on?

Mine is doing that as well. A few of my components have a 'ready' light I call it. It caught me off guard at first, but I have long given up on all the lighting/LED displays on my devices matching ;) Though I do wish the LG was black... :(

On my previous post I mentioned the DVI cable issue and determined from reading some other posts on this forum that 'Monster Cable' doesnt really matter, nor does dual link vs single link cabling, but apparently dual-links can be had for the same price as single link, so why not. I was able to get a different DVI cable and go back and forth using the Norah Jones Live in NO, LA DVD as a reference. I have to recant my previous post about the DVI being flat, all things considered the image looked the same with either DVI cable (off brand, not sure who made it, borrowed from a TV sales place). However, with the component connection, Norah looked a little TOO warm, and it was far more realistic and even toned on the DVI (either cable). Cycling through some other DVD's had the same results better overall tone with the DVI, component being a little more red...I was buying into AV Store 'pump up the red' pitch I guess.

Going to get my $100 back (:D ) on the Monster Cable and order a decent dual link cable from that pacific cable place here in WA...about a third of the cost (less cost for more length - which is a good pick up line btw).

Still need to find an attenna :(

Thanks for the reply's. I wasn't sure it was supposed to be that way and wanted to double check with others. I have to say, that so far I am impressed with this unit.

Using the LST-3510A and the Motorola 5100 for HDTV can cause a copper shortage in the supply chain especially with audio.

I have simplified the situation for my wife and kids.

Using a Lindy DVI switch, here is how I connect.

DVI-1 input is the Comcast STB
DVI-2 input is the LST-3510A

DVI output for the above is to the KF-42WE610

For audio I opted to remove all copper and go with optical.

Bought a Radio Shack 4 in - 1 out manual audio optical switch for $ 19.99.
Bought three 6ft optical audio cables at $ 19.95 ea.

The Comcast STB has one optical audio out to input 1
The LST-3510A has one optical audio out to input 2

Optical switch output goes to Toshiba Home Theater System with optical input.
Leave unit on Digital In and never have to switch to other inputs.

When we want to watch a DVD @ 720P or OTA HDTV we set the DVI switch to input 2 and optical switch to input 2

Comcast HDTV is on DVI input 1 and optical input 1.

:)

ennsm,

Your query about watching analog cable and/or QAM cable can be done.
The 3510A has a Loop thru for cable.

Your primary cable feed for QAM is into the cable in and out the DVI to your Set.
Run another coax from the Loop out to your tv for analog cable viewing.

I have mine set up this way.

Originally posted by skeeter


Bought a Radio Shack 4 in - 1 out manual audio optical switch for $ 19.99.
Bought three 6ft optical audio cables at $ 19.95 ea.

The Comcast STB has one optical audio out to input 1
The LST-3510A has one optical audio out to input 2

Optical switch output goes to Toshiba Home Theater System with optical input.
Leave unit on Digital In and never have to switch to other inputs.

When we want to watch a DVD @ 720P or OTA HDTV we set the DVI switch to input 2 and optical switch to input 2

Comcast HDTV is on DVI input 1 and optical input 1.

:)

So the optical switch is manual, ie you have to push a button, right ? Is their a similar switch that can detect the audio source and select that input ? I have everything controlled with my harmony 659 and would hate to have to add a manual step in their but I am out of optical input on my Onyko receiver.

I have seen an optical switch based upon input. I'll see if I can find the URL again.

dozens

Check out this URL for the switch you're looking for.


http://www.audioauthority.com/aacconsumers/11551177c.html

Originally posted by skeeter
dozens

Check out this URL for the switch you're looking for.


http://www.audioauthority.com/aacconsumers/11551177c.html

Yes, it looks like it is exactly what I "need"; my wife would correct me and say "want" :)

So lets see to go all digitial (audio and video), I need $129 for audio swithc and $275 for a dvi switch...this is an expensive hobby :)

hi guys,

are all hd tuner the same in receiving signals?

is the T351 a 4th generation vsb reciever? how about the LG 3150a?

any recommendation as to what is the best tuner to be used in an urban area???


i live in the seattle downtown area and had problems with getting OTA reception from all but NBC broadcast.

question, the dtv green light kept flashing when I manually force the tuner to log onto say.... CBS or ABC but it just kept flashing, some time the light is on for 10s or so but it still says no signal...

i know i am getting something but i am frustrated about the fact that nothing shows up....

now i also know that the station are all location nearby.... based on antenna web's info, i am no more that 1.6miles away from all of the stations......

thanks.....

If you have the 3510a, you probably need a 10dB attenuator inserted in your cable path to cut down the strong signal since you are so close. This unit comes with a note that it's receiver is very sensitive and may need an attenuator for close/strong signals.

Ken

I tested the 3510A for 2 weeks solid with my Z2 using the DVI connection. Here are my impressions:
1. The DVD player up-converted to 720p is not as good as my HTPC (Theatertek + powerstrip + radeon 9000 series card).
2. The HDTV picture was not significantly better the the one produced by the STB Brighthouse (my cable provider) provided.
3. I did not have the 720p reset issue.
4. I did not experience DVI handshake issues as long as the projector was on first. (Z2 firmware is version 106, selected RGB-HDCP in the menu on the Z2 also selected 720p ).
5. I did not evaluate the OTA tuner because in my area the cable company provides all significant local HDTV channels.
6. I returned my unit, contrary to most experiences the picture quality was not better then what I already had. I only purchased the unit so my wife could pop in a DVD and watch rather then boot the PC. She was first to say the DVD quality was not as good as the PC. Specifically colors more vivid with the PC, less stuttering of image and surprisingly less vertical banding. The same DVI cable was used in the comparison.

When playing DVD's through DVI (set to 1080i on the LG) occasionally the audio drops out and the only way to get it back is to switch to 720p or 480p and then back to 1080i. The LG feeds audio out through an optical cable to a Yahama receiver. I don't have any issues with OTA or QAM audio.

I just messed with it some more and have isolated the problem. This is what happens:

On DVI, when there is the dual layer transistion on the DVD the audio stops (movie keeps playing). 46/96hz or Dolby Digital/PCS/Stream options don't change anything, it still happens. It happens on 480p/720p/1080i/Var1/Var2/Var3/Native. Whenever it has to go through that transistion the audio stops.

I just ran it through component and it plays fine through the transistion.

This is a real bummer. Any benefit to the 'upconversion' on DVD's is lost because that only works on DVI. I already have a decent progressive scan DVD player...

For reference, I am watching 40 Days/40 Nights and the transistion is chapter 12, about 55:30 or so...

Lastly, when running a DVD through DVI and upconverting to 1080i (or 720p) you are in effect forcing a 16:9 image correct? On component cables (480p) in normal screen ratio (and TV image size set to Full) there are black bars top and bottom and the image looks complete...on the DVI connection the TV's image manipulation is locked out (like watching CBS HD) and you can switch the ratios only on the LG, but to fill the screen you are chopping some of the movie correct? In the Normal ratio in DVI the image actually gets bars on the sides??? and the image is squished (its fills the screen vertically). This is with a 1.85:1 movie, on a 2.35:1 movie you get black bars top and bottom on Normal ratio.

I guess what I am getting at is that upconverting DVD's on the DVI connection you aren't going to get the 'real' aspect ratio of the movie ('filling' the screen isn't important to me, ratio accuracy is though)? btw, my TV is 16:9

I am really thankful for all the knowledge on this board...

-Sean

ps how do you check the firmware version? maybe I can get an update to fix my audio dropping out. :(

Nobody exeriencing the same issues?

Originally posted by scotter
Nobody exeriencing the same issues?

I'm certainly not. Mine is set to 1081i fixed, and it stays there. Video quality via DVI to my JVC 56" is outstanding, vastly superior to my Sony player. I also have never experienced digital audio dropouts during the DVD layer translation...or at any other time. Furthermore, the unit has never locked up as some here have complained of.

My biggest complaint is that the remote is ENORMOUS, and yet doesn't have designated FF/RW buttons. Backing up a bit or skipping ahead is kind of dicey, I always find myself inadvertently jumping to the next or previous chapter.

Overall, I'm very happy with the unit. As a HD STB, it is vastly superior to the primitive and poorly engineered Samsung SIR-T351 it replaced, and the outstanding DVD performance is a wonderful bonus.

I'm not seeing those issues either. The only thing I have to work out is why my colors seem so flat on Finding Nemo over DVI. Component works great. But I've taken the $100 Monster Cable back to Best Buy so that I can save $80 bucks and get one off eBay. I still have a lot of testing to do...

But overall, I'm very satisfied. I've only had the 3510a for about two weeks.

Originally posted by NickR
I'm not seeing those issues either. The only thing I have to work out is why my colors seem so flat on Finding Nemo over DVI. Component works great. But I've taken the $100 Monster Cable back to Best Buy so that I can save $80 bucks and get one off eBay. I still have a lot of testing to do...

But overall, I'm very satisfied. I've only had the 3510a for about two weeks.

Thanks for the responses guys. I ended up going back to CC to either get a refund or get another unit. They ended up giving me an exchange unit....and it does the same thing. DVD or DVI and the audio just drops out.

Of course these units are from the same 'batch' probably.

:(

Originally posted by scotter
Thanks for the responses guys. I ended up going back to CC to either get a refund or get another unit. They ended up giving me an exchange unit....and it does the same thing. DVD or DVI and the audio just drops out.

Of course these units are from the same 'batch' probably.

:(

That's a drag, I'm sorry to hear you're having such problems with the LG. It's hard to imagine how your choice of video connections could possibly impact the audio output. Do I understand correctly, that when watching via DVI the video keeps playing but the audio just stops? What type of surround receiver are you using? (Mine is a Sony STR-DE985, connected optically.)

As for "flat colors," I watched "Finding Nemo" over the weekend, and it was sharp and vivid on my JVC 56" set.

The only thing I have to work out is why my colors seem so flat on Finding Nemo over DVI.

Same here, color on DVI using DVD is dry and dull but the HDTV is awesome. why?..... Nemo and his dad look light orange instead of more vivid using component.

i had experience the audio drop out once... i don't recall how it happened but it was immediately after switching from 1080 t>720>480 thru DVI.... anyhow, i just reboot the unit and the problem went away. by the way i was using optical out to my receiver.
other than that, i am very please with the unit... as i posted earlier, i could not get abc or fox channels with my samsung 351... with a lil adjustment, i was able to get both... the tuner is for sure far superior than the samsung...

as for the dvd, i am not sure if it is better than my pioneer 563? i mean they are just great i can't say which output better picture... either component or dvi... but then i am a sony gwIII and the picture is away pretty nice....

i do have a question... if the signal is through dvi to the TV, my i not taking advantage of the sony engine?
in other words, does it really matter if the output is 480, 720 or 1080 if the final resolution will be render in sony's native resolution... given that the dvds are all recorded in 480.. just like progressive scanning, it could done by the player or the tv, would upscaling from 480 to the final resolution follows the same logic?

Originally posted by BlindLemonLarry
That's a drag, I'm sorry to hear you're having such problems with the LG. It's hard to imagine how your choice of video connections could possibly impact the audio output. Do I understand correctly, that when watching via DVI the video keeps playing but the audio just stops? What type of surround receiver are you using? (Mine is a Sony STR-DE985, connected optically.)

As for "flat colors," I watched "Finding Nemo" over the weekend, and it was sharp and vivid on my JVC 56" set.

HDTV looks good I mine as well. DVD's seem ok, but I don't have Nemo, which would be an obvious one to check colors on. But what I have watched is pretty good. I will get a copy of Nemo and try it out before and after the repair at Lg and keep everyone up to date.

I sent an email to LG and this time got a response back from 'Kim' at LG. They didn't even ask for any more details on my problem other then the quip I threw in the email. They knew there was an issue. THERE IS A PROBLEM WITH THESE UNITS concerning the DVI/DVD functioning and audio. There is an 'upgrade' avialable and LG is going to send me a packing label and get back to me in a few days. Of course I have to fax them my recepeit and all that but I feel better about it. I got a good deal on it ($390) and didn't want to have to return it and get something else later at a higher price.

Anyway, Kim is at customeservice@lge.com and he/she is the Administrator for the Customer Interactive Center.

-Sean

Originally posted by scotter
When playing DVD's through DVI (set to 1080i on the LG) occasionally the audio drops out and the only way to get it back is to switch to 720p or 480p and then back to 1080i. The LG feeds audio out through an optical cable to a Yahama receiver...

I have not been experiencing any audio drop outs, but I'm running my audio directly out to the TV (34XBR910) on the standard audio ports to input 7, the DVI input. Is anyone else, that is not having problems, running their audio out digitally through an A/V receiver?

ptroiano

I have a firmware-upgraded 3510 and I don't have audio problems with DVI & digital audio out (I use the RCA digital connection with a std RCA cable, not optical).

The only remaining problem I have is when I insert a DVD, I get a HDCP error msg, but if I toggle to OTA then back to DVD, it plays fine.

Ken

ptroiano, I seem to have the same set-up as you, LG running on DVI with a Sony 34"XBR910. I have audio hooked direct to the tv. The only time I had the audio go out was when I pressed the fastfoward button a few times in a row and the audio was gone. I stopped the dvd and pressed play again and all was fine. This happened once and I am not really sure if I pressed anything else to cause it.

Any updates people?
I've just bought this unit and so far I'm pretty pleased. I must have newer firmware however 'cause I'm only getting 480p from the DVD component out.
Waiting for shipment on a DVI cable.

Silly question, I guess. I am reading this thread for the first time. I am using a Sony HD200 and a Denon DVD 2200 and am looking to upgrade. Where can I find this unit? Do Best Buy and CC have them? Do you guys recommend any other upconverting DVD players that I should try like the upcoming Denon DVD3910 or the Pioneer 59AVI?

Got mine at BB for $399.

anyone gotten this to work with a 1024x768 projector with the dvi output?

one thing i like about the bravo is that you can set the dvi output to this nonstandard resolution.

without any fix, then the dvi HD output is useless to me, everything has the right side chopped off. do others have projectors that scale the dvi input?

Has anyone had problems with DVD-R playback on the LG 3510A? Recorded on home PC, but gives the LG hell trying to play back a title continuous, without starting to skip forward in chapters after a few minutes of playback. Any ideas?

P> My DVD-Rs have no "stick-on" labels on them.

Mine played a set-top box burned DVD with no problems. I've taken the unit back so I can't test a PC burn.

Anyone got this unit working via DVI? It would never connect to my InFocus 4805, kept throwing up a HDCP warning screen.

My unit had problems playing Virbatim +4x, Fuji +4x, Memorex +4x,
TDK +4x, TDK -2X all recorded with Pc burners Plextor-708, Sony-500ax, NEC-2500. (Using Nero)
Then I've read somewhere that Maxell media is the best. Bought -4x
and never had any skipping since. Try it if you are having problems with the media that you're using.
I'm also connected to Sony 32 inch LCD with dvi/HDMI monster cable.
I've never had any HDCP warning messages.
This unit is great.

I am newbe to the HD area. I have Comcast Standard cable (no cable box or no digital or HD) now and I have bought HD projector. My question is can I use LG 3510A to conect standard cable input and see local channels in HD (like ABC, NBC, CBS etc) on my panosonic projector? I talked with BestBuy guy he told me I can not, he told me I need to get Comcast HD set top box (which is comcast is renting in my area). Is this true? Any help will be appreciated.

My question is can I use LG 3510A to conect standard cable input and see local channels in HD (like ABC, NBC, CBS etc) on my panosonic projector?
Yes, but you won't have a program guide or program information. The channels won't be at their "normal" numbers either, because you'd just see Comcast's internal QAM channel structure which is normally hidden and remapped for the customer by the digital cable box. For example, ABC might be 110-2, CBS might be 84-1, FOX might be 98-3, etc. The LG doesn't support analog channels either.

If you have a wife or significant other, you'd be much better off renting the HDTV box from Comcast for $5/month, because it's much much easier to use. The $5/mo box from Comcast seamlessly integrates the analog channels (1-99), digital channels (100+), and HD channels (typically 200-230).

Of course there's going to be an extra fee to get the digital channels too. I think the upgrade from Standard analog to Comcast's Digital service is more than $5 a month.

You don't need digital service to rent the HDTV cable box for $5/mo, although many CSRs will tell you that.

Digital service is required if you want to rent their HDTV DVR for $10/mo, however. Digital Classic is an extra $15/mo over extended basic here in DC.

i've tried to scan this long thread to specifically answer my question so i must have just passed up the answer i am looking for. I just picked up my lst-3510a yesterday and it seems rather slow in channel switching. slower than my digital cable box which is slower than analog cable tuners. is this normal for the LG unit to be this slow? it takes one to two seconds before an image shows up after changing channels.

1 or 2 seconds sounds about right. It's definitely slower in "native" than if you leave it on a fixed resolution i.e. 720p or 1080i.

is this normal for the LG unit to be this slow?
Yes, the LG is significantly slower in changing channels than some cable boxes like the Motorola 6200 / 6208. That,'s one of several reasons why many people prefer to rent the HDTV cable box for $5/mo instead.

bfdtv,
how's the Comcast gig going anyway?

I bought an LG at BB to see if I could pick up some unscrambled QAM CH's....and all Im getting is the TWC ad's for In Demand and HBO IN DEmand. No locals in HD ....or nothing like that. I did a scan for ch's in every cable mode and still the same ch's keep coming up. Am I doing something wrong here?

vinnyv07, sounds like you're doing the right thing. I can get a handful of movie channels, but that's it. I don't think as many cable providers are using QAM signals as they used to.

You probably will not receive your local channels that way. I use a table top antenna to receieve them OTA (over the air). You have to have the LG set to DTV not the other option (cable i believe)

I used my LG to scan for unscrambled QAM signal on my Digital Cable feed. I got dozens of channels, mostly shopping channels, and then the digital music channels, some of which were audio only and some of which had album info on-screen. So, nothing, basically.

I plugged in my crappy old UHF antenna and pulled in a dozen OTA stations. Much better!

Dirk

P.S. I think the choices are DTV (for off-air) and CADTV (for cable)

Does anyone have experience using the VGA output connected to a high-def projector such as the Panny AE700? I saw from the LG's manual that it outputs in high-def from the VGA output. Does it work well at say 1080i for OTA HD and DVD?

Reason I'm asking: I have the Motorola 6208 running DVI/HDMI 23ft. The Panny doesn't seem to like this connection - I get a lot of video dropouts and snowy loss of picture. I am thinking about running component from the 6208 and then use VGA out of the 3510 for DVD & OTA HD, thus bypassing the use of HDMI altogether.

I just hooked up my LST-3510A to cable (TW) to check out the local network feeds. The LG found a bunch of channels when it did the scan, but after watching a channel for a couple of minutes, the signal strength started to fade, and eventually the picture and sound dropped out. All of the channels were dropping out as well. I turned off the LG, and tried it again the next day - same thing - good signal on all channels for about a minute, then steady decline into oblivion. On one channel, a PBS HD feed, I got a picture, but the sound was from another channel!

I hooked up the LG to an antenna and the signal was fine for 30 minutes. I'm going to investigate cable degradation issues (a cut in the buried cable? It's been raining almost daily for weeks), but could this be a tuner problem? Has anyone else seen this with a 3510A?

Originally posted by HMenke
Does anyone have experience using the VGA output connected to a high-def projector such as the Panny AE700? I saw from the LG's manual that it outputs in high-def from the VGA output. Does it work well at say 1080i for OTA HD and DVD?
I just got the LG LST-3510A .
I have set it up to RGB output at 720p and connected a 15pin VGA to 5 x BNC cable to the RGBHV input of my CRT front projector. (no DVI input, no component input!)

It works fine for SD/HD DTV over-the-air (I haven't connected it to cable), but it won't play a commercial DVD on the RGB output (it says to use the component out at 480i/p instead). It works only with "non-commercial" DVDs.

It wasn't written in the brochure, but the manual says:
"RGB signal is not output through the RGB out jack during playing back a DVD which copy protection signals are recorded. We recommend that you use component video connection and 480 or 480i resolution"

Does anyone know if there is a way around this?
(like the region free firmware on CD)
What about MacroVsn?

JW

P.S.: I have a modified SONY DVP-S7700 (PAL/NTSC, Region free, MV free, no forced menus/trailers) with the Cinematrix PSM1 board installed inside, that outputs 720p on RGBHV BNC, but I was interested in getting the HDTV receiver in the same box.

BTW, does anyone who has the Momitsu 880 know if the DVI-I to VGA adapter allows DVD playback at 720p via VGA?

By the way, did anyone try the Region selection firmware via CD (using the LG5000 download) as listed on VideoHelp.comfor the LST-3510A?

JW

Originally posted by Jean W
"RGB signal is not output through the RGB out jack during playing back a DVD which copy protection signals are recorded. We recommend that you use component video connection and 480 or 480i resolution"

Does anyone know if there is a way around this? Anyone?
Before I return this unit where it came from!!!
It is useless to me it I can't get it to play commercial DVDs on my CRT projector (i.e. through RGBHV at 720p).

Thanks,
JW

Originally posted by Robert Whitehead
Propel-

DVD Forum rules permit only 480i/p from Component outputs, and prohibit any RGB output at all from DVD players. LG is a member of the Forum and is required to make players in conformance with its rules. Hence, 720p/1080i are available only from the HDCP compliant DVI output for DVDs.

That maybe all true. But of the 3 DVD players I have(Panasonic, Toshiba, LG), the LG3510A has the best picture. I bought that unit to eliminate two boxes, a Samung OTA tuner, and a dvd player so that all my sources could be connected to componet video.
So I'm not sure if I'm getting upconverted video on DVDs thru componet, but the output of the 3510A is superior to the other two DVD players, and seems to be a better OTA receiver than the Samsung. And it looks a LOT better than the other boxes, which is a plus.

I need help determining if the LG LST-3510A is right for me. I have an HD-ready TV with component (no DVI) inputs and currently receive analog cable (no cable box). I want an HD receiver which will allow me to view the OTA HD channels while continuing to view the analog cable channels. I am also interested in the enhanced DVD viewing capabilities of the 3510A.

I understand the 3510A does not receive NTSC signals. My questions: will I be able to set up my system using the 3510A to accomplish my goals? If yes, how do I set it up?

Yes, you're in exactly the same situation I'm in. You run the cable to your TV's cable input, your antenna to the input of your 3510a, and the ant output on the 3510a to the accessory antenna input of your TV. You hook the 3510a's component outputs to the HD component inputs of your TV and your set. You can toggle between cable, analog TV, digital TV, and DVD all from the comfort of your easy chair. The only thing you can't do is have digital OTA and digital cable through the 3510a simultaneously. This requires an A/B switch because the 3510a only has one coax input.

Thanks very much but I may have one problem. My TV's inputs are: one 75 ohm input, two AV inputs, one component input, and two S video inputs. Do I have the "accessory antenna input" you talk about? How about hooking cable and 3510A's antenna output to an A/B switch which is attached to the 75 ohm input?

How about hooking cable and 3510A's antenna output to an A/B switch which is attached to the 75 ohm input?

That should work. I'm surprised your tv doesn't have more than one 75 ohm input. No big deal, you just have to switch it if you want analog TV from time to time.

I need help determining if the LG LST-3510A is right for me. I have an HD-ready TV with component (no DVI) inputs and currently receive analog cable (no cable box). I want an HD receiver which will allow me to view the OTA HD channels while continuing to view the analog cable channels. I am also interest
ed in the enhanced DVD viewing capabilities of the 3510A.

I have had mine several months and I wish I had found this thread before the purchase. (If you go back to the beginning you will read the endless battles folks have waged to try and use the "enhanced" DVD features.) The only available output for the upscaling is DVI, however my Hitachi 46F500 RPTV will not display on anything above 480p through this connection. (Each manufacturer blames the other)

It is a nice OTA HD receiver and displays an OK DVD picture through component, but you will will only be able to view it at 480p. Not a bad box for killing two birds with one stone, but don't expect much in the way of DVD enhancement.

BV

I'm still having a tough time playing home-recorded DVD+/-R on my LG. I have Nero 5.5.10.56 and trying to burn a compilation. What Nero settings should I be selecting? I am using Maxell DVD-R 4x burned as a DVD-Video template. The same discs burned using a friend's Sonic program (disc copy) work OK. But not Nero's compilation from my own computer. I can't do disc copy as I have Win98 which does not support image file size 4.7GB. Thanks.

Try using Nero express mode built into your Nero. Don't forget not to use your computer during the process. More information on problems burning is available at dvdrhelp.com .

P.S. what operating system does your friend have? I'm using XP. No problem at all.

Anybody here that has used the 3510 with a Zenith P42W46X ED Plasma through DVI?? Any issues...this unit sounds right to me to get rid of Comcast's STB and have a DVD at the same time

I bought the LG LST-3510A in hopes that I could view DVD's on my NEC 6PG XTRA HD Projector through the RGB connection. No such luck, as you can see here, the manual clearly states that it won't play copy protected DVDs through the RGB connector. What a drag for me, now I have to continue watching movies through the PC which doesn't allow me to use the PC for anything else while viewing a movie. I am taking the $400 unit back to Best Buy this afternoon. Why didn't they announce this on the box? I mean, how many DVD Players are out there with RGB connectors? So if this is one of the few modestly priced ones that do, shouldn't they expect people with RGB only inputs to be buying it? Or maybe I am the only one in the world without DVI or Component inputs on my projector.

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DVD license agreement prohibits any unprotected output of DVD contents. Since there is no copy-protection technology on RGB, you won't see it happen. As far as I know, the only other player that has RGB out is Momitsu V880 which can only be bought via internet. You can buy a Component to RGB transcoder to get component connection to your PJ.

I can't speak for your specific unit, but there are options. Some units have allowed output over component or RGB if the DVI is connected to a HDCP device.

I would like the following 3 things connected to my Vizio P42HDe (it has 1 DVI in, 2 COmponent in, 2 SVideo in & others) :

1) Cable HDTV - DVI input required for best PQ?
2) OTA HDTV - DVI input required for best PQ?
3) DVD - DVI input with upscaling DVD player required for best PQ

The problem I think I am having is that all 3 options above require a DVI connection into the TV and it only has one connection. Is this my best answer? (www dot pacificcable.com/Picture_Page.asp?DataName=DS-41R) . (Sorry don't have 5 posts yet) It's getting expensive!!!!!!!! A combined DVI switch and OTA and cable compliant STB would be great.

I am assuming that component connections are a lower PQ than DVI although I would like to clarify this. If that is not true then I think I will be OK.

The LG LST-3510A looks like it would be great except that you cannot connect the cable box to it.

I think in most areas the cable company will carry any OTA HD channels (unless the local is owned by Emmis) so that should take care of 1 & 2.

As far as Component vs DVI goes most people would be very hard pressed to see any difference so don't sweat going comp on the DVD.

In my opinion the 3510 is a great idea rendered usless by the excessive copy protection it employs (also I think upsampling DVD is of limited value).

just my $0.02

Has anyone else had the 3510 randomly switch from HD mode to DVD mode, even with no disc present? I'm just wondering whether my unit's faulty.

can someone help me out? i am on the verge of buying! i need some insight (before i dish out the money for this LG unit) as to how i would connect this unit with my new plasma (vizio p42hde). the tv has a dvi input as well as component connections.

i currently have comcast digital cable running by coaxial cable to the plasma. how would i go about setting up this unit so i can

1. still watch the SD channels from my cablebox

2. get over the air HD.. (a bit confused about QAM/OTA). will i be just getting a few channels? are there channels i will receive that are not HD? can i use any antenna? (sorry, as u can see im new to OTA HD and don't understand how the scanning/interception works)

3. use the unit as upconverting dvd player (seems like i can only do this to dvi)

can someone advise me as to how the cabling scheme would be with the LG unit and my plasma and current comcast cable connection? it seems to me the LG LST-3510a is my best option cuz i am in need of a dvd player and HD content. are there any other options worth looking at?

Thanks much in advance!:confused:

I have a LG LST-3510A for sale. Probably has around 20 hrs on it. Failed HD experiment. Just to far in the boonies and my available metro's suck in the digital department at the moment. PM if interested.

Thanks,

BV

Originally posted by AngryWatermelon
can someone help me out? i am on the verge of buying! i need some insight (before i dish out the money for this LG unit) as to how i would connect this unit with my new plasma (vizio p42hde). the tv has a dvi input as well as component connections.

i currently have comcast digital cable running by coaxial cable to the plasma. how would i go about setting up this unit so i can

1. still watch the SD channels from my cablebox

2. get over the air HD.. (a bit confused about QAM/OTA). will i be just getting a few channels? are there channels i will receive that are not HD? can i use any antenna? (sorry, as u can see im new to OTA HD and don't understand how the scanning/interception works)

3. use the unit as upconverting dvd player (seems like i can only do this to dvi)

can someone advise me as to how the cabling scheme would be with the LG unit and my plasma and current comcast cable connection? it seems to me the LG LST-3510a is my best option cuz i am in need of a dvd player and HD content. are there any other options worth looking at?

Thanks much in advance!:confused:

1. Option A: I would leave your current hook up the way it is (comcast cable to their digital cable box to your plasma's internal NTSC tunner connection). OR Option B: If you are using a comcast cablebox, then they must have a better output than using the RF coax, like the S-Video. I would use a S-Video over the RF coax connection.

2. Use the DVI connection between the LG LST-3510A and your plasma. You can run EITHER your comcast cable into the LST-3500A OR your Over the Air Antenna to get the HD broadcast signals available in your area.

3. You will not need a separate input for the DVD to the plasma as the LST-3510A "shares" its DVI output for both HD TV and DVD. If you find that the DVI connection between the LST-3510A and your plasma don't work (I have problems with my Panny PHD6UY and the LST-3510A) then your stuck with using the component output (still looks good, but no up-rezzed DVD).

I would buy the LST-3510A for somewhere that would let you return it easily just in case you have problems with the DVI.

Good Luck :)

Here's an unusual question about the LST-3510A.

Here in the Philadelphia area, the local ABC station broadcasts three subchannels, all of which are carried unencrypted over Comcast: 81-1 for the regular ABC HD feed, 81-3 for ABC News Now (in SD) and 81-4 for Storm Tracker (a weather map in HD).

On the 3510, when I tune to 81-1 to watch the normal HD feed, the station appears for a few minutes and then the 3510 suddenly changes to channel 81-4 and I get the weather map. This happens consistently.

Funny thing is that on my Samsung TXP-2670WH with built-in QAM tuner, this doesn't happen and 81-1 is as solid as a rock. Therefore, I have to assume there's something in the 3510 that is causing this to happen.

Of course, I can't delete just 81-4.

Anyone have anyideas?

I also have found a weird problem with the 3510A. If I try to input channel 2 directly, it won't work. I can directly input all other channels from 3 on up with no problem. Punch in channel 2 or 2-1 or 02, it won't work. You can get to channel 2 by using the channel up/down button. Something is not right here. It is a nuisance because channel 2 is my only NBC-HD station.
Bernie

I think it's time to start bugging LG to offer a FW update for the 3510A. I have seen my share of oddities. My local PBS station's HD channel came with no sound (or usually, the wrong sound - I'd get sound for the last channel I was on). A Samsung tuner on the same cable had no problem. When that station switches from a daily SD broadcast to the prime-time HD, the LG needs to be powered off to make the switch. I'm also less than pleased that I can't manipulate individual subchannels - add/delete/add to surf/set logo. My local cable provider puts scrambled and clear subchannels on the same channel, and also mixes different networks on the same channel. Not being able to select them individually is a pain.

Oh yeah, WIBNI you could "remember" separate OTA and cable settings, so you could switch from cable to antenna without having to re-do the ENTIRE setup process?

LG was supposed to send me an RMA label so I could return my 3510A. I was going to take that opportunity to beg them for some new firmware, but the RMA shipping instructions never came :( Has anyone tried to contact LG and talk to someone that could talk about the possibility of new FW?

Originally posted by berniez
I also have found a weird problem with the 3510A. If I try to input channel 2 directly, it won't work. I can directly input all other channels from 3 on up with no problem. Punch in channel 2 or 2-1 or 02, it won't work. You can get to channel 2 by using the channel up/down button. Something is not right here. It is a nuisance because channel 2 is my only NBC-HD station.
Bernie

I'm having the same problem with channel 2-1. It did work but now, I have to use the channel up/down button like you do.

Are you saying at one point it would take a direct input of channel 2 properly, but now it won't. That is interesting. I called LG. They are suppose to call me back with an answer to this problem. The issue has been forwarded to engineering.
This problem seems widespread.

Does anyone have the 3510A that will take channel 2 or 2-1 with a direct input.

I am wondering if this is isolated to certain areas and is possibly an issue with the local station. I just can't see how when the channel up/down button tunes it in.
Bernie

I apologize if this topic has been covered before, but searching this thread came up with nothing. I've recently bought one of these boxes, and as expected, will not upconvert dvd's over component. Is there a firmware version or hack to make this box output 1080i for dvds? If not, does anyone know where i can get one of these: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=500641

Thanks,
Ryan

Originally posted by berniez
Are you saying at one point it would take a direct input of channel 2 properly, but now it won't. That is interesting. I called LG. They are suppose to call me back with an answer to this problem. The issue has been forwarded to engineering.
This problem seems widespread.

Does anyone have the 3510A that will take channel 2 or 2-1 with a direct input.

I am wondering if this is isolated to certain areas and is possibly an issue with the local station. I just can't see how when the channel up/down button tunes it in.
Bernie

It's gotta be the LG.. The DTC-100 in my RCA F38310 takes a direct 2-1 input with no problem.

Originally posted by oryan_dunn
I apologize if this topic has been covered before, but searching this thread came up with nothing. I've recently bought one of these boxes, and as expected, will not upconvert dvd's over component. Is there a firmware version or hack to make this box output 1080i for dvds? If not, does anyone know where i can get one of these: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=500641

Thanks,
Ryan

If I remember correctly the original firmware allowed upconverting over componet but it was fixed in all new firmwares.

I just spent an hour on the phone with Marsha in customer service at LG and basically didn't get anywhere either. Once I explained the situation and issues as related from other users, Marsha finally put me on hold and went away to do some checking. When she came back she asked me for my address and serial number on the unit, then she told me that it was a known issue, but a low priority issue. She promised they would get back to me when the engineering dept. in Korea responded to them. She hoped they would issue a patch (I assume via CD/DVD) but said they may have to recall the units for reprogramming. I guess we will see.

Hold time today was 20 minutes before someone hung up on me. On redial I got right through.

I have a case number on file with LG. I first called customer support who never called me back. I have been dealing with Kim via email at LG. Kim established the case number. She asked for my address and serial number. I just bought this unit and have about 18 days to return it to Best Buy. While I like this unit, I am concerned the channel 2 issue will get swept under the rug. This has been a known issue since at least February, 2004 based on what I have read in multiple forums. Based on those messages, the users had reported it to LG customer service. There is also the issue of editing stations. All the channel sub channels have to be named the same. In other words if channel 4-1 is CBS, all channel 4s have to be CBS. In my area channel 4-1 is CBS and channel 4-3 is UPN. Another nuisance. I am going to have to decide if the good points about the 3510A outweigh the glitches enough to keep it. I would not hold my breath waiting for the channel 2 fix. Incidentally, I believe the channel 2 issue may be over the air only, not with cable. I have not verified this.
Bernie

My 3510A periodically loses my local Fox station I have using the QAM tuner. It randomly reappears, regardless of when I power it on/off. If I miss the Super Bowl because of this thing, I am going to be pissed beyond words.

This unit sucks, the LG LST-4200A is prolly a better tuner and I still don't think up-rezing from the DVD side of it (if it worked!) would be that much better than your display device doing it.

It ain't Farodja.

I thought I was supposed to get my analog cable through this too? I plugged it into my cable line last night, and all I was able to get was some 64.X channels with music. With the QAM I figured I would have been able to receive a couple of digital channels, in addition to my standard analog selection.

The tuner in this is digital only. The 4200A does have both digital and analog tuners for ota and cable.

I have very quick question. I'm sorry if it's already anwered. I have regular comcast cable (basic). No box, nothing. I want to buy this LG unit and hook up the cable line to it. Will I get any HD channels from the cable line through this tuner?

Thanks alot.

Dunno, you'll just have to try. Or, if your cable company CSRs are competent, ask them if they pass along their HD channels in the clear using QAM.

Originally posted by Nuster
I have very quick question. I'm sorry if it's already anwered. I have regular comcast cable (basic). No box, nothing. I want to buy this LG unit and hook up the cable line to it. Will I get any HD channels from the cable line through this tuner?

Thanks alot.

I believe that you have to subscribe to their digital service unless it's included in your basic package. The 4200A does have QAM so you can get unscrambled cable stations. I'd try it. You never know.

Originally posted by Nuster
I have very quick question. I'm sorry if it's already anwered. I have regular comcast cable (basic). No box, nothing. I want to buy this LG unit and hook up the cable line to it. Will I get any HD channels from the cable line through this tuner?

Thanks alot.

I'm using the LST-3510A on Comcast in Southern NJ with my basic cable and I get the local Philly stations: NBC, ABC, CBS, PBS, FOX, and WB. I don't get any guide info and the channel numbers are all messed up.

I'm a first timer, here. Great conversation on the LST-3510A. May I join in?

Oh ... okay, but be polite!

Simultaneous 480i output??

The manual states that you can select "Squeezed" when you are in 480i/p mode but what does the S-Video output if you are using component/dvi 720p or 1080i outputs.

Will it output "Squeezed" if you set the mode to 480i, select squeezed, and then change the mode up?

I would like to output "Squeezed" which I am assuming would be similar to Anamorphic.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

clint

I just bought a 30" LCD TV(NorwoodMicro). It has a resolution of1024x768 I was just wondering if this would interfere with the picture quality, compared to 1280x760. I am considering buying the LG LST-3510a for my new TV. It was considerably cheaper than other 30" LCD TVs. Will it do the 1x1 mapping you guys are talking about.

At BB, I bought the sales pitch, I bought the company promo, and then I bought the LST3510A. The salesman told me that this would work out with my RGBHV inputs of my Barco BG801. He was half right. When I got it home and read the manual, a Big Red Flag went up with the subtle phrasing about DVD playback via the RGB outputs. I connected it up and the tuner looked great. Best picture my projector ever put out. The DVD part...
"Disappointment" falls short. Did I miss something? Hey, LG. Put it on the box, why don't you; "Does not play 99.99% of all DVDs using the RGB output." This started my new journey into the Internet, looking for answers. Now what am I supposed to do?
p.s. I'm not made out of money.

Take it back and tell BB it doesn't work with your existing gear, that's what I did.
I really tried to bad mouth this unit early in this thread but I suppose it's too much for people to wade thru.
I bought the LG LST-4200A (which I believe to be the best STB out there) connected it via DVI and use RGB off my DVD player.
The 3510 is a great idea that doesn't work!

I think the key here is whether or not you will be using DVI 100% of the time or not. In my case, DVI output (1920x1080i) 100% of the time, for DVD (w/ HDCP capable monitor) and OTA HD, is simply flawless. The combination of the LG LST-3510A and my NEC 42XM2A/S is nothing short of a killer application for HD.

The only drawbacks based on my usage profile of the LG 3510 is the optical pickup as well as DVD-R support. It is very picky with how DVD-R is recorded (media, software, and speed), surface defects (incl. cloudy or rotted discs). This player seems like an answer to everyone's needs but it is not, so proceed with caution and RTFrigginM, it is on the web.

Originally posted by VelociRacer
I think the key here is whether or not you will be using DVI 100% of the time or not. In my case, DVI output (1920x1080i) 100% of the time, for DVD (w/ HDCP capable monitor) and OTA HD, is simply flawless. The combination of the LG LST-3510A and my NEC 42XM2A/S is nothing short of a killer application for HD.

The only drawbacks based on my usage profile of the LG 3510 is the optical pickup as well as DVD-R support. It is very picky with how DVD-R is recorded (media, software, and speed), surface defects (incl. cloudy or rotted discs). This player seems like an answer to everyone's needs but it is not, so proceed with caution and RTFrigginM, it is on the web.

I don't know if that was aimed at me or not, but I will be using the DVI output. The reason I want to get the LG LST-3510A is because my tv only has one RGB output on it. So I can't plug my PS2, DVD player, and HD box to it. So I want to knock out two birds with one stone. Using the DVI. Then plug my PS2 into the RGB.

No Meltedcheez, that was not aimed at you. Just for those who buy the LG and only use RGB-out and expect 1080i for DVD as well as HD. The biggest selling factor for this box is the 2-in-1 output via DVI.

You have a 1024x768 native LCD resolution, the same as my NEC plasma. You will not get 1:1 pixel mapping since the LG's output is 1920x1080i (I recommend setting it to 1080i-output all the time). BUT, the LCD (as does my NEC Plasma) have an auto-tune/setup feature that sets the size, position, clock, and phase accordingly to give you the best scaling possible between 1920x1080i native source and your 1024x768 display. If you only watch OTA HD and DVD, you will not notice any degradation of quality. But try running the auto-tune with static fine detail present on your screen (menues and such).

I have my computer hoocked up to the NEC (15pin RGB), computer set to 1280x768 and I use the auto-tune on the NEC, fine detail is greatly enhanced and the scaling can hardly be seen on a fine pattern, let alone on text and graphics. This is the acid test for scaling and I am very happy with the quality.

I have not noticed this auto tune feature on my TV. I have a 30" NorwoodMicro from CompUSA(the only people who sell it). I haven't noticed any auto tune in the menu.

I was able to access the prom code for the LST-3510A by:
in DVD mode, with no disk in the player, press PAUSE then 1 4 7 2
The prom codes on my player (Oct. 2004 build) are:
55 53 00 4A 12 00 7A FF
FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF

Can someone find out if the player can be hacked by changing
these codes (i.e. turn off macrovision)?

I can't return my LST-3510A, since I have had it for more that 30 days. I had gotten so disgusted with it, that I gave it to my parents, so they could view HDTV. They could care less about DVD's. That was a big mistake. They had too much trouble trying to operate it and gave it back to me. I have exhausted myself with researching ways to get it to upscale DVDs, via the RGB outputs, into my projector's RGBHV inputs. Can anyone help me out? Please? Has anybody ever seen an LST-3510A try to fly? Want to?

If you've read some of the threads about the 3510a, you'd find out that the upscaling only works when using the DVI(HDCP) connection. Have you tried that? Any other problems with the unit?

[edit] to clarify: LG purposely disabled upconverting over component or the VGA-out (not sure which one you mean by "RGB" - to me that means the VGA, but many people call component "RGB" because of the cable colors, but component is decidedly NOT RGB). The reason has something to do with the copy protection - they force you to use the DVI(HDCP) port for upconverting, which, of course, has some problems too with some TVs. (not sure if those problems have been fixed, yet, in the latest firmware)

I have a question about this box.

I don't have one, but I'm thinking about picking one up to go with my new Panny LCD. I need a prog scan dvd player and hdtv tuner, but only have one hdmi port, so that's the reasoning.

My other option would be to use a spepate dvd player on component inputs and the 4200a for a tuner. The all digital connections for dvd and hdtv have me interested in the 3510a.

So my question is about the tuners. If I got the 3510a, Id run basic cable to the box, then use the pass though to use the ntsc tuner on my tv for old analog channels. The 4200a has both tuners inside.

What are the differences, here, in channel setup? With the 3510a, Id have to change from 'hdmi' to 'tv' on my tv to switch inputs from the 3510a to the internal ntsc tuner, where the 4200a would pass them all though the hdmi port. Would I be able to stretch or justify the 4:3 content that comes from the 4200a?

pricewise the 3510 is about $100 more than the 4200, but comes with the prog-scan dvd (upscanning is nice, but my tv basically scales everything to 720p anyway). ...So it may be a wash pricewise, since I do want a prog-scan dvd player.

Any thoughts are appreciated

Hi, funk_dat69,
To get the best out of my Barco BG801, I must use the RGBHV inputs for the widest bandwidth and minimal circuitry. It has no DVI input. I used the "RGB outputs" of the LG(which many people confuse with the colored RCAs) which is the multi-pin, true RGBHV output. I did not do an exhaustive search on this unit before I purchased it because the promo material mislead me to believe that I could use it in that capacity. The salesman also agreed. I think it's a shame to bury that kind of information in the owner's manual. Am I mistaken? LG does not give the slightest hint of copy protection limitations,via RGB, anywhere on the box or in advertisements. I've seen several RGBHV outputs on DVD players in the past and heard nothing about playback problems. I feel cheated. A fellow, named Niel, at LG said that the unit was capable of upscaling DVDs via the RGBHV output, but said he could not tell me how because his "hands were tied". They got my money. I got a device that needs to be hacked to work properly. Thanks, LG.

.02: are you saying you cannot get a 480i or 480p picture out of the RGB output of the 3510? Because that is the only output you are entitled to get over a non-copy protectible output. If you are trying to get 720p or 1080i over it, the box is working "properly" i.e. in accordance with industry standards, if it will not cooperate. Do you know of any other current upscaling dvd players that upscale over non-copy protectible outputs?

I agree that this stinks, and that the whole copy protection thing will end up crimping our legitimate right to view, make copies for our own use, etc. any content we buy, but that is the industry standard, not LGs fault. LG originally allowed non-copy protected upscaling, and was reined in, probably via the threat of litigation (you think LG wanted to turn off a key feature of the 3510?)

yeah, that sucks man.

From what Ive read, upscanning over component used to work on the early units. Not sure if it ever worked over RGB, though. LG changed the functionality of the unit with a firmware upgrade sometime last year. It fixed some problems with it not remembering the output mode, but took away the upscanning over component/RGB.

LG was prolly getting preasure from the entertainment industry and decided to nix that functionality. Sucky thing is, they havnt changed any of their documentaion to reflect the fact. As far as I know, this info isn't even in the instruction manual...LAME!

If you can verify the DVI works somehow, PM me, maybe I'll buy it.

Originally posted by funk_dat69
yeah, that sucks man.

From what Ive read, upscanning over component used to work on the early units. Not sure if it ever worked over RGB, though. LG changed the functionality of the unit with a firmware upgrade sometime last year. It fixed some problems with it not remembering the output mode, but took away the upscanning over component/RGB.

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This is correct. If you have an early model it will play some DVD's upscaled over component or RGB but not all. If you connected it by DVI to a HDCP device and then switched the output to component or RGB, it would play ALL DVD's.

Mine would not upconvert Commercial DVDs via Component and when using the DVI connection it blanked the screen with a HDCP warning!
This was when connected to an InFocus 4805 Projector.
Both products claim they're HDCP complient and both companies pointed the finger at the other.

A local dealer showed me the LG book of dealer promo material and it listed the 3510 as being able to upscale via RGB, with HDCP on just the DVI output. If the old ones worked in the opposite ways of the new ones, then maybe we could set up a swap for people who use the DVI and people who use the RGBHV? This copy protection sucks. I spend my hard earned money on HD equipment and then I'm treated like a bootlegging thief. It makes about as much sense as if the opthalmologists got in bed with the optometrists and set forth a rule like: Frometh this dayth forward, everyone's acuity will be limited to 20/40 with the use of glasses or contacts and they may be permitted to see 20/20 ONLY with expensive corrective eye surgury, at their own expense.

I know. I just bought a new TV a month ago without knowing anything about HDCP. Now it won't Upscale because of this nonsense bullcrap about copy rights. So I have to use the Component Cable. Which I have to switch because I only have one Input on my TV. Thinking I would get this Receiver to knock out two birds with one stone using the DVI. So much for that idea. Now I just have to switch between my PS2 and my Reciever/DVD player. I found out about the HDCP when I found this forum. Unfortunately it was to late.

Doug,

Thanks for the reply message. I was wondering does it matter where the unit is placed as far as whole house protection. I have the main fuse box on the side of the house and an additional fuse box in the garage. Could I mount the EP residential unit in the garage and will it continue to provide the protection for the whole house circuit?

I've noticed some dual tray DVD burners(VDR 2288,etc.) coming out. Since my LG doesn't work as advertised, would burning backups, of my own DVDs, playback on the RGBHV outputs on my LST-3510A? Can any of you tell me a bit about these and do they cause any video aberations, such as white crush, etc.?

DVD-R playback on the LST3510A is flaky at best. It only worked with a very specific combination of DVD-R media, burn software and speed. By design, the LST3510A will NOT play any DVD+R.

Hi, I've read through the thread and am trying to decide whether or not I should take a chance on one of these 3510's. I've got a Samsung HLN467 hooked up to a Bravo D1 (which I've brought back to life with a power supply repair and a IDE internal DVD-ROM). What is the overall verdict on this unit? Is it to be avoided? Are there problems with the DVI output for Samsung DLP's? Will the DVD playback quality be as good as the Bravo? Does it pillarbox 4:3 material properly (a big issue for us... lots of classic Disney and other kids stuff in the DVD library).

I have Time Warner cable (and Road Runner). Can I cancel all the services except the cable modem and still receive the basic cable TV (and local HD cable) signals?

The LG 3510 seems like a really great idea if it works...

I wish I could help you. I have not yet delved into the potential problems of the LG DVI output. The RGB(HV) scam is a dirty rotten shame. Whenever I ask any techs for any help in getting this piece of junk to play a DVD, via RGBHV, first they look side to side and then behind them... and then down to the floor. I just love to get treated like a bootlegger. Why bother with Blue Ray or HD-DVD? How much are they going to detune the picture after you paid the bucks to own a legitimate high definition DVD?

In order to comply with the DVD Forum rules, the manufacturers of upscaling DVD players are supposed to adhere to the HDCP protection - that is, only sending upscaled output from encrypted DVD's through the DVI (or HDMI) HDCP compliant output. There are a few Chinese units that ignore these rules (Momitsu, etc.) and some units can be hacked to ignore HDCP.

The HDCP can be bypassed easily on most HDMI/DVI upscaling players by creating a decrypted DVD-R backup copy of your original DVD using free software like DVD Shrink. Then you can have upscaled output through component and VGA (not just the DVI). The LG's instruction manual mentions that it will upscale non-protected DVD's through the component and VGA outputs. I personally would be using the DVI output, so it doesn't matter in my case.

My Bravo D1 will also upscale unprotected DVD's through it's component outputs .

So it gets back to burning copies. First, I don't have a computer powerfull enough to burn copies. Second, I don't like the idea of burning copies. So the system almost forces you into copying to be able to view the high definition that you paid for. Brilliant plan, Hollywood. I'm stuck with RGBHV or S-video(ugh) inputs. I guess I don't know the secret handshake to get someone to help me make this machine work at it's best for my personal home theater. There's nothing like paying for all the rights of DVD ownership and then be given some dirty glasses to view it with...that's if it even plays at all.

So this is VERY misleading, i bought 2 of these models at BEST BUY for $300.00 each (open box models).. Get home, hook them up, one to my projector and my other to the HDTV tv in the bedroom.. Thinking my output is 1080I which it says on the front, well guess what.. Its actually 480P when hooked up to the RGB and Component output... This sucks !!!

1) Option A) Is when i make my backups (cough..cough..) on the computer, it will take away the protection and the output can be 1080I thru the vga/component, but does that kinda defeat the purpose??. I mean to make a backup of you DVD to a single layer dvd, it compresses the dvd so that means i am upconverting a compressed DVD... Thats not great?
2) Option B) Someone has to have the older firmware somewhere, i havent tried the LG5000.zip file, i am not interested in region free, but if someone has the older firmware. that would work..
3)) Option C) Is there a DVI-VGA or DVI-Component adapter that i can use out of the DVI and then get what i want...

Frustrating that it says in the instructions and on the box, upconvert your dvds to HD quality, $600.00 later and i haven't done ONE that is suppost to work... Not everyone has the newest stuff like DVI ...

Anyone help me on this/comments??.. Thank YOU
(you can also email with with any help at laser1972@gmail.com)

Of course, the real solution is to get a display or projector with a DVI or HDMI input. Then you benefit from the added clarity that comes from using the digital video stream rather than the analog component or VGA output.

Here's a link to a DVI to VGA converter. However, this still won't work with encrypted DVD's because it is not legal to make DVI to VGA converters that are not HDCP compliant -

http://www.ramelectronics.net/html/DVI_ADC-converter.html#dvivga

If you can't see yourself getting a new display or projector with HDCP compliant DVI or HDMI input, then try a Momitsu (or an older Zenith 318) upscaling player. These units ignore HDCP and upscale through component. You can get a component to VGA converter for your RGB input.

There is this NeuNeo upscaling player that has a VGA output (up to 1280x1024) in addition to component and HDMI. It is made in and shipped from China, where HDCP is ignored. It also scales up to 1080p over component and HDMI, the first DVD player that does -

http://www.neuneo.com/body/product/HVD208/feature.asp

Thanks for the info.. My backup copies seem to look actually pretty good even compressed conversion to 1080i. I watched Friday night lights yesterday, the first half on regular 480p thru the component. Then watched the other half on my backup on the 1080i. I noticed a difference for sure on the projector.

I might just buy a dual-layer dvd burner on the computer and buy dual layer blank discs for my backup (has that media lowered the price yet?).. That way, i am not compressing the original ...

I checked on both my players, seems i have 2 firmwares 1.91 and 1.92 different years also, too bad neither one will do component dvi on copyright dvd's..

It keeps getting back to spend spend spend. My computer isn't powerfull enough to do this stuff and it's still a step down in quality. Misleading? I would call it more like down right lying. LG doen't have the guts to put the facts on the box or in their ads. Pretty slick. They tell what the unit can do on the box, but they refuse to tell you how to make it actually work like they advertise. The bourgeois just keep saying things like "just buy this..." or "just buy that" Money dosen't grow on trees, especially if you live on disability, or aren't we elite enough to view HD? Eat the poor.

Has anyone identified the version number(s) of the firmware that WILL allow you to view upscaled content via component/VGA?

I have been following this thread with KEEN interest since I would like to pick up one of these units.

Originally posted by VelociRacer
DVD-R playback on the LST3510A is flaky at best. It only worked with a very specific combination of DVD-R media, burn software and speed. By design, the LST3510A will NOT play any DVD+R.

I've never had any problems playing DVD-R or DVD-RW or VCD for that matter on this unit. I've only used Memorex brand media, burned with Nero 6.6.

Originally posted by gshelley61
Hi, I've read through the thread and am trying to decide whether or not I should take a chance on one of these 3510's. I've got a Samsung HLN467 hooked up to a Bravo D1 (which I've brought back to life with a power supply repair and a IDE internal DVD-ROM). What is the overall verdict on this unit? Is it to be avoided? Are there problems with the DVI output for Samsung DLP's? Will the DVD playback quality be as good as the Bravo? Does it pillarbox 4:3 material properly (a big issue for us... lots of classic Disney and other kids stuff in the DVD library).

I have Time Warner cable (and Road Runner). Can I cancel all the services except the cable modem and still receive the basic cable TV (and local HD cable) signals?

The LG 3510 seems like a really great idea if it works...


I have a Samsung HLN567 and a 3510. For me it was a perfect solution. The TV only has a single DVI input, and the 3510 effectively allows me to connect both an HD tuner and an upscaling DVD player to my TV.

I leave the 3510 set to 720p output, and I am very happy with the picture quality. The Samsung has no problems with the HDCP handshake, and all DVDs are upscaled via DVI. There are more than enough aspect ratio options on the 3510, which is good, because there are no scaling options on the DVI input of the Samsung.

For the tuner, you need to be aware of two things. First, it is digital only. You cannot tune regular analog tv or cable channels with this tuner. Second, it has a single antenna input. You can connect it to an antenna for OTA HD, or to the cable for QAM, but not both at the same time. Switching between them means going into the setup and rescanning the channels.

I can't help you with Time Warner, but Adelphia broadcasts the local digital channels in the clear. Try a local thread in the HD Reception forum for more information.

But can you confirm that the output resolution is true to what is displayed on front? How may of you, out there, truely feel mislead about LG's LST-3510A's claims of of upscaling DVD's, especially when it came to the RGB(HV) output? Was it just me?

Its misleading, the front will say 1080i etc but i can look at my projector's menu and it will be 480P..

I emailed them the other day and got the Hollywood copyright regulates speech about copying etc... WELL, i would say CHANGE your box, manual etc and tell the truth...

Where is the firmware.. I would pay a small price for that... DAMNIT

I have a few questions....just bought the 3510 from best buy (open box) for 339.00. I have Denon 1910 and a Pan Ae700. I wanted to do a bake off but I am having wierd problems with the LG.

If I am playing a DVD and I go to switch the display from 420p to 720p, the screen goes blank and then displays snow (it seems like it is switching to the tuner).

The only way to get it back to dvd is to power off the unit and power it back on. The DVD/DTV button does nothing at this point. Further, I do have an antenna hooked up and if it is actually switching to the tuner then it should display the antennas signal not just snow.

It only displays snow until it is power cycled. Has anyone had this problem?

None of the upscaling DVD players (that are HDCP compliant) will send an upscaled analog signal through the component or VGA outputs if a copy protected DVD is being played. Only a digital signal over the DVI or HDMI output. That's just how it is. There are a couple (like the Oppo, Neu Neo, Momitsu, the older Zenith 318) that ignore this rule. There may even be firmware to hack some other units to do this... but that's relatively rare.

The LG's operating instructions, which can easily be downloaded for free before purchase, clearly state that commercial copy protected DVD's can only be upscaled through the DVI output, but that non-protected DVD's can be upscaled through DVI, component or VGA out.

That doesn't get LG off the hook. Forget internet searches. I went by how LG promotes it's product. Not everyone has a computer, I got my first one, long after the 3510 came out. I saw the one salesman's original product sales tool literature and it said nothing about RGB limitations. I bought the product based on LG's promotion. Even the people who were "LG dealers" gave me misinformation. I would seriously bet that alot of people learned alot about HDCP after they purchased a 3510. Why do you think you see so many used ones for sale?

I got a 3150 earlier this week and have had a good experience, but I'm not sure if I'll keep it. I have a 50" Samsung DLP with DVI that it connects to and sets resolution perfectly in tuner or DVD (set to native for tuner, and 720P for DVD). I don't see the problem "losing" the DVD res setting. I think the tuner is awesome.

I only have a $10 table top antenna and I can pull in almost every Philly station, 45 miles away, and about a third of the Baltimore stations, 55 miles away. Just moving the setup to the second floor of the house gets me more stations and stronger signals, so if I get a real antenna I think I'll get everything.

One thing I don't like (maybe I'm missing something) is the aspect setting for DVD. It looks like it must be set "Wide" for letterbox movies to display correctly, but it stretches the 4:3 (like it should) which I don't like. If I set to Normal then the letterbox stuff is squeezed. It does not seem smart enough to show each "correctly" like the tuner does. Anyone else see this?

Overall I like the box, great tuner, one DVI connection, I'm just not sure if I think it is worth the $400. I'm Tivo addicted, which I can't use it with the LG, short of "manually" and no channel change. I'll "try" it for another week or two and decide before my "30 days" expire.

I returned the LST-3510A to Best Buy (an open box) and bought the LST-4200 online because the 3510 didn't give me all the cable channels (only a third of the many available channels that the 4200 picks up), and you can't delete sub-channels.

Now that I have the good tuner of the 4200, I have discovered another problem that the 3510 did not exibit. When you set the DVI or Component output to 720p or higher resolution, the SVideo and Video outputs automatically crops the picture. The 3510 had a default of squeezed on the SVideo output, so when I recorded on my Panny DVR, I got a full widescreen image when I set my Sammy DLP to 16:9. But with the 4200, the 420i image is always cropped, so you lose the left and right sides of the image, which totally SUCKS!

LG would not admit that there is any adjustment, or service menu, and said they behave differently because they are different units. One LG "Customer Service" rep. told me it is "illegal" to adjust the service menu!!! Yeah, right! I don't understand why the default ratios for the 420i outputs would be different between the 4200 and the 3510, when the menus are so similar.

There is no way to set the ratio for the SVideo output independently from the Component or DVI outputs. My only solution is to leave my 4200 set for 420p all the time, unless I know I won't be recording anything. This kind of defeats the purpose of an HD tuner!!!

Could someone who owns a 3510 will please set their resolution to 720p and look at the picture coming out of the SVideo or Video cables when a HD channel is broadcasting in widescreen, and tell me if the image is cropped, squeezed or letterboxed? If it is cropped, then I can only assume that the previous owner of the original open box 3510 figured out how to get it to squeeze the SVideo output when the resolution on the front panel is set to 720p or 1080i.

Also, does anyone out there in forum-land know of a hidden service menu on the LG stb's? :confused:

By the way, the 4200 definately kicks the 3510's butt in every other respect (aside from the SVideo output being cropped when the rez is 720p or 1080i). I have a Panny DVD-F87 changer ($120) on component, which has a really NICE picture, plus you can swap the active disk with one button, so I don't care about the built in DVD player.

The tuner on the 4200 picked up every cable channel except HBO! The 3510 only got 5 or 6 channels that I care about. Plus the 3510 can't tune to channel 2 directly.

I have a Radio Shack AB switch with the remote control (programmed into my harmony remote). When you want to switch from cable to ota antenna, this is where you see the real benifit of the 4200. When you select the input signal, it asks you if you want to rescan, and you say no. That's it. Quick and painless. It remembers the channels you liked. And you can delete sub channels!!! Big plus!

With the 3510 you have to start the scan and exit out right away or you lose your old settings. Despite the cropping issue, I'm definately not going back to the 3510!

Don't count on LG fixing these issues! They didn't seem very interested when I called. You can't even talk to a tech. directly, just a customer service rep. who doesn't have the answers.

iggymama,

Can you tell any difference in the OTA reception between the 3510A and the 4200?

No real difference in OTA. Only in cable.

I wound up getting a LG 3100 receiver for now, and am keeping my Bravo D1 hooked up to the Samsung DLP's DVI input. I'm using the component outputs on the LG, which I hooked up to my cable. It picked up about 29 digital channels, a few of which are scrambled. I've actually got more HD channels than I did before... I am getting both Rochester and Syracuse network affiliates in HD now (I am in the "Fingerlakes" Time Warner zone in Rochester, NY)

So far, so good... although I must admit the Scientific Atlanta HD cable box did a better job of sending a component signal. A bit sharper and clearer than the LG, even on the HD channels. I'll have to try the DVI output, I guess.

iggymama,

My 3510 outputs a squeezed image over the composite output when set to 720p.

Originally posted by iggymama
No real difference in OTA. Only in cable. Kewl, thx for replying. :) I hate how my 3510's guide works. Looses data once the 3510's turned off. And no EZ Add. You gotta do a full scan when scanning for any new channels which can cause you to loose a channel if the signal happens to be weak at that time. Also no way to check the signal of a channel in the manual channel add screen.

Thanks for the info, Cardfan. When did you purchase yours? If you make changes in 480i/p to the ratios (say, to cropped), then go back to 720p, does the SVideo output retain the setting (cropped), or is it always squeezed?

I just bought another LST-3510 from BB ($390!, the previous one was only $350 with a $50 gift card a few weeks ago, not that I plan to keep it), just to test the ratios on a new unopened unit with a higher serial number. They also had an open box for $330, but it was an old serial number.

Maybe there was a firmware update. If this new one crops the picture, and the older models squeeze it, then there might be a firmware update that causes the cropping. If I can prove it changed between revisions on the 3510, then maybe they can figure out how to make my 4200 squeezed the SVideo output! That would make me a totally satisfied customer! That is my ONLY complaint on the 4200 (other than the sucky tech. support from LG).

Hey, Daryl. You might consider returning the 3510, if it's not too late, and if you don't mind a separate DVD player, and picking up a LST-4200.

I totally agree with you. I don't use the TV Guide (I have the Panny DMRE85 120G DVR with the free TV Guide, and it is so much better! For HD schedules, which are pretty limited, I use titantv.com.

But the channel scanning, the channel 2 glitch, and not being able to delete subchannels, not to mention not receiving most of the cable channels, forced me to give up on the 3510 and buy the 4200 online ($260 plus shipping from B&H Photo, although I see they are now out of stock).

HeHe, I don't need the DVD player half. I have a 5 disc panny and two DVD recorders. I'd love to return my 3510 for a 4200 but I've had it for a year now. Thinking of replacing it though for something more user friendly. I can't turn directly to channel 2 either. I don't use the composite or s-vid outputs, I don't even own a s-vid cable. :)

Heck, if I saw a 4200 for $200 I'd jump. ;)

I hope this is a proper thread to post my question re: comcast digital cable. I use LG 3510a hd tuner to QAM unscrambled Comcast Digital channels in LA. My problem is that I keep getting channels that are mapped (numbered) completely different from how titantv.com or comcast.net own channel map shows. For example my NBC is 86-1 while titantv has NBC as 185. And my Stars-HD is 116-1 while titantv has it as 199. It is hard to look for these other possible unscrambled channels where I dont know under which channel to look. Does anyone else has the same issue and/or how are people dealing with it?

iggymama,

I purchased my 3510 about a year ago. I'll try changing the 480i/p ratios to cropped and see what happens when I go back to 720p tonight.

Originally posted by absolutic
I hope this is a proper thread to post my question re: comcast digital cable. I use LG 3510a hd tuner to QAM unscrambled Comcast Digital channels in LA. My problem is that I keep getting channels that are mapped (numbered) completely different from how titantv.com or comcast.net own channel map shows. For example my NBC is 86-1 while titantv has NBC as 185. And my Stars-HD is 116-1 while titantv has it as 199. It is hard to look for these other possible unscrambled channels where I dont know under which channel to look. Does anyone else has the same issue and/or how are people dealing with it?

I have the same set up and the same problem. I have found that the channel scan does a pretty good job of finding all of the available unscrambled channels (and sub-channels). Unfortunately you can't delete a sub-channel on the LST-3510A. Comcast doesn't make it easy to use your own tuner.

I have Adelphia, and I was only able to get about 6 decent channels (NONE of the basic 2-13 & PBS channels that broadcast in HD), plus a bunch of junk channels and music channels, but only about a third of the available cable lineup, on the first 3510. On the 4200, I got EVERY cable channel except the premium channels (HBO).

The numbers are totally different with cable than anywhere I have looked. I saw a web site (hdtvpub.com) with reviews which had channel numbers for different companies, and they are all different. In L.A., Adelphia HD channels were 900 numbers, while Comcast were 180-190 numbers. I think different cable companies use different numbers (QAM?). I don't know how these numbers translate to the HD tuners. It's quite confusing. If anyone can figure it out, please enlighten us!

So, I will create a spreadsheet, and try to figure out the channels myself! Usually the channels are displayed in the lower right corner, but not always. Pain in the butt! I haven't had a chance to hook up the new 3510 yet, so I am curious how many cable channels this one will pick up.

well my 3510 with Comcast LA picks up KTLA, CBS, NBC, FOX, ABC, PBS and, right now, Stars-HD, all in HD plus a bunch of junk channels like E-news, WGN, etc, in standard def.

Do you think I'll get more channels if I get 4200? I dont think so unless somehow 4200 unscrambles discovery or hbo.

Those that can map channels on 3510 I am curious which numbers you get for discovery-hd and other hd channels. That would be helpful because I want to punch in the number and see if I could add the particular channel. If anyone is interested I will post my own results.

Adelphia premium cable has 111 channels, including HBO (excluding music-only). My 4200 gets all but HBO, but I don't know if any of them are in HD. I haven't had a chance to really test the cable capabilities of the 4200 yet (this weekend).

My 3510 only got maybe 30 of those 111 channels, but that was an older, open box unit. I will test the new 3510 this weekend as well, and post my results for all to enjoy!

iggymama,

Setting my 3510 to cropped on the 480p setting did not change the composite video out when I went back to 720p. I still got a squeezed output.

Well, I hooked up the new 3510, and I am getting exactly the same ratio options thru the SVideo output that I do with the DVI output! Plus I can see the OSD (menus, ratios, etc) and closed captioning thru SVideo at all resolution settings. I really like these options. I can set options in the menu, delete channels, and see the ratios and channel labels thru my DVR (SVideo).

Neither of these nice features appliy to the 4200. Now, why did LG take that away from the 4200?

Regardless of what resolution I am in on the 3510, I get the same ratio options thru SVideo. At 480i/p, I get letterboxed, squeezed and cropped. At 720p and 1080i, I get wide, normal, zoom 1 & 2, and horizon. Nice! But the qam cable tuner sucks just the same as the first 3510. I only pick up 37 channels thru the cable, including music channels.

The manual for the 4200 says you get TEMPORARY aspect ratios in 720p/1080i of standard, expand and shrink when viewing HD content, and normal, wide, horizon, zoom and cinema when viewing SD content, which I verified. But the SVideo output ratio does not change when I hit the ratio button unless I set the resolution to 480i/p. I only see the OSD and closed captions in 480i, with really big letters!

I want a hybrid between these boxes!!! The 4200 tuner, but with the SVideo output setup of the 3510. Waaaaa!!!!

Does anyone out there have a 4200 that can verify this behaviour (no change in ratio, and no visible menu or other OSD information thru SVideo, unless the resolution is set to 480i)???

iggymama, i picked up over 80 channels (ncluding audio of course) with 3510 via Comcast cable. The trick is when it is asking what type you wanna search through, I used the second option IRC(?) rather than the first option STD{?}.

I only got 37 channels, with Adelphia Van Nuys, with the 3510a, using IRC as well. I got nothing at all on either box with std and the other one (believe me, I tried them all several times). Most of the 37 channels were either music or junk channels. All I got that I care about is IFC, Bravo, Speed, and (somewhat) Discovery Home & Times, Nat Geog, TCM, Science, Outdoor, History, ESPN, and stuff I don't care about like VHI country, Military, Fox Soccer, BBC, and Toon Disney.

Now, I think I get all the non-premium channels on the 4200, although I haven't had time to map them out, but none of them are in HD! It's nice to have an extra cable box for the digital channels, like Bravo, Discovery Health, Sundance, and IFC, but I don't understand why channels 2-13 and PBS are not in HD! They are maybe slightly sharper then the Adelphica box, but not HD.

Is anyone else getting HD from the cable input?

Looking up the posts, I think I should qualify my question. Does anyone else with ADELPHIA get HD thru the cable input on either the 3510 or the 4200???

I do in T.O.

Where is TO? Canada?

Do you get HD from the cable input (as opposed to the OTA antenna) on your 3510? What channels?

Can the 3510a dvi handshake with an infocus 4805 yet? Has this been fixed with a firmware update?

Just thought I would touch base on my original question; Does anyone know how to get a 3510a to play DVD's into RGBHV projector inputs, using the analog outputs?