Geeks makes you pay return shipping. Not a great policy for defective equipment. I thought about sending mine back as I bought it mainly for the tuner(s) and ended up getting a 50" Zenith plasma with QAM & ATSC built-in. I have similar problems as you on some discs - most play fine however. And then there's some won't even load at all(Pirates of the Carribean and Gladiator to name a couple).

I finally decided the 3510 may come in handy some day and I didn't want to lose around $30 shipping for a $160 refund. It may be my imagination but the DVD side seems to be giving me fewer and fewer probs. - The tuner side has always worked great, with a few annoyances (the treatment of sub-channels being the biggest to me).

I joined the forum after reviewing a lot of the posts on this site to provide my experience with Geeks and this unit. First of all we loved the unit for what it does. My son needed the QAM capability. The DVD player capability was a side benefit so we did not even check it out until after having the unit a couple of weeks. Well, as some others have encountered on this forum, the 3510A would not play some DVDs returning a "read error". We shipped the unit back at our own expense a couple of weeks ago with my preference for a replacement not a refund. Just a couple of days ago they informed me they would have no more of the 3510's so would have to refund my money. They did this (no mention of my cost to ship to them) and then I find out two days later the unit is in stock again for a slightly higher price. This is a poor way to do business. My advice to anyone is to thoroughly check out any function of this unit they need if they get it from Geeks. Does anyone know if RefurbKing will have any more refurbished units for sale?

found this info. at lg 5000 firmware hack for region free

DVD releases worldwide have been structured into "Regions".

There are 6 in total, and these can be viewed on the map here.

Region coding allows a movie to be released in one "Area" at a time, thus the staggering of releases is common. Some region's discs will also hold more "extra features" than another (Region 1 (US&Canada) discs tend to contain much more than the same Region 2 (UK&WesternEurope) discs.)

This has led to "Chipping" and "Hacking" DVD players to allow playing more than one Region type on your player. As you have probably guessed or heard by now, the Aiwa and the LG has one such hack as detailed below in 6 easy steps:

(this hack also works on selected other LG models)

1. Power on player with no disc inserted and wait for "No Disc" message on screen
2. (using the remote) Press PAUSE

3. Press the numbers 314159 in order. (player should now show "COdE - -" the same as below)
4. Press the number of the region you desire ( 0 = any region, 1 = US&Canada etc.)
5. Press PAUSE
6. Power off the player for a few seconds..power back up and insert your DVD disc!

FORGET THIS IT DOES NOT WORK ON LST 3510A --- SPEEDRACER

Does anyone know if RefurbKing will have any more refurbished units for sale?

I just discovered that refurbking_inc is no longer a registered ebay user. Go to refurbking.com and there's an email link at the bottom. Maybe they can tell you if they expect any more 3510A tuners.

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2/28/06 Edit: I emailed refurbking yesterday, asking about their sales since they're listed as "no longer a registered user" on ebay. I got this response (for anyone who is looking for a 3510A from refurbking):

***************

Dear customer,

Thank you for your concern.

We are currently having some technical difficulties with e-bay store due to e-bay error.

We will resume the service by Monday, March 6.

Thank you,

Refurbking.com

Does anybody has been able to upgrade the firmware on their 3510a by either sending in or pluging serial cord on the back?

Anybody

Does anybody has been able to upgrade the firmware on their 3510a by either sending in or pluging serial cord on the back?

People were sending their units back to LG to get their firmware updated many months ago (6 months?, 18 months?). You'll need to e-mail customer service to get them to agree to do this and they will want to get paid. I don't know of anyone that has utilized the serial connection but I thought that it could be used for remote control/automation.

I considered sending mine back for the latest firmware to see if it helped my DVI handshake problem with my plasma, but I figured it wasn't worth the hassle. Now if the updated firmware would add the "delete a sub-channel", then I would do it for a reasonable price.

Thanks, I will contact LG for the service since mine was bought just 2months ago from circuitcity. I do have the dvi handshake problem with my panny plasma as well. Let's see what they can do about these, I'll keep you posted.

Lg service will swap mine with a refurished unit at no charge (inbound & outbound shipping)
The rep told me they are aware of the sub-channel issues, but they're not ganna do anything since it is discontinued model. They also indicated that the dvi handshake is known problem but not ganna trobleshoot (same reason as above). I guess we are stuck with what we have. Enjoy!

I got one of these from geeks, as I was seeking a QAM-compatible tuner - at 30-40 miles from my local stations my OTA tuning reception barely works.

I hit a big snag though - apparently this shares the same remote codes as my Zenith DVB-318 upconverting DVD player. I know LG and Zenith are the same company, but ARGH.

I'm not sure where to go from here. I like the tuner, but I don't know what to do about the DVD player conflict.

I tried to like the DVD player output in the LG, but it looks awful on badly sourced disks compared to the Zenith 318.

I tried to like the DVD player output in the LG, but it looks awful on badly sourced disks compared to the Zenith 318.

I don't have any suggestions for your other issue (Zenith/LG codes), but on the DVD player display quality, are you outputting at 480p, 720p, or 1080i? My Philips CRT HDTV won't display 720p as such, so I upconvert to 1080i. I noticed that the 480p output is pretty grainy, but the 1080i setting produces a nice clear image.

Thanks harpeth for the information on RefurbKing. Previous posts indicated they are an official refurbisher for LG and offer a manufacturer's 90 day warranty unlike Geeks. I will wait until Monday to see if they have some on ebay. I did notice a company called Eagle Computer on the web that offered the 3510A refurbished with a manufacturer's warranty, but their price is around $200 plus shipping. Amazon has one company offering them new for $299. Ebay also seems to have used units for sale all the time. As far as the DVD quality, on the one new DVD that did work using the DVI/HDMI at 1080i into my Mitsubishi 1080P DLP, the video looked almost as good as HD broadcasts.

ucro,

Another good thing about refurbking is that they offer thru SquareTrade a three-year warranty on these refurbed 3510A units. I thought it was a really good deal at $16.99 so I bought the additional coverage. I hope they get back on eBay or offer their stuff directly, because I found their people to be very conscientious.

I don't have any suggestions for your other issue (Zenith/LG codes), but on the DVD player display quality, are you outputting at 480p, 720p, or 1080i? My Philips CRT HDTV won't display 720p as such, so I upconvert to 1080i. I noticed that the 480p output is pretty grainy, but the 1080i setting produces a nice clear image.

480p over component. Can't go higher as I don't have DVI.

I have to be picky - Infocus X1 projector @ 100" 4:3. Anime especially looked awful - I use it as my first test, since it is hard to deinterlace, sometimes badly encoded, and tends to get the most visible artifacts. I tested primarily with Cowboy Bebop Remix Disc #1 - not the greatest DVD. Standard DVDs looked fine.

I'm going to put up with the remote thing for now. We don't watch that much TV anyway, especially not the few clear-QAM channels we get (ABC, NBC, PBS).

480p over component. Can't go higher as I don't have DVI.

I have to be picky - Infocus X1 projector @ 100" 4:3. Anime especially looked awful - I use it as my first test, since it is hard to deinterlace, sometimes badly encoded, and tends to get the most visible artifacts. I tested primarily with Cowboy Bebop Remix Disc #1 - not the greatest DVD. Standard DVDs looked fine.

I'm going to put up with the remote thing for now. We don't watch that much TV anyway, especially not the few clear-QAM channels we get (ABC, NBC, PBS).

Wow, gm, I guess you do notice at that size picture. You need an upconverting DVD player that works over component connections. The 3510A tuner is so good, IMO, however, that it sounds like a separate player is the way you need to go.

We don't watch that much either, and we don't have cable or satellite, so we just enjoy the tuner's ability to pull in a lot of clear OTA channels. The favorites at our house are NCIS, The Amazing Race, Antiques Roadshow, and NUMB3RS. That's about it for TV for us, and the 3510A does an awesome job in displaying those.

I've got the cable attached from the wall to the unit and another cable from the unit to the tv. I've also attached the component cables from the unit to the tv and the 2 audio ports are connected.

I have the Hyundai HQL320WR LCD. I'd post a link to the TV but I can't post URLs until I reach 5 posts :P

I have this TV and I did a scan and found 100+ stations. I put it on the HDTV local stations and Jay Leno really didn't look that clear. I was hoping to see pimples and freckles. It still looked a little bit pixelated. I then popped in a Freaks and Geeks television show DVD I had from Netflix, and the picture was very grainy. On the unit it said 1080i while it was playing and it was set on cinematic zoom. I didn't think it could upconvert through component but that's really what it says.

Geeks shipped this thing with the most bizarre 5 page instruction manual I have ever seen. What am I doing wrong that the PQ is poor? Any ideas?

Thanks guys.

haganah - First off, here's a link to the full manual

LST 3510A - PDF file (http://www.lge.com/download/-466453593LST-3510A_OM_0811.pdf)

Second, the 3510 indicator light happily shows whatever output you have it set at, NOT what it's actually outputting. Even though your "1080i" light is on, it's only sending 480p over component in your case. Upconverting only works over HDMI.

Now to your picture problems. Are you sure you were tuned to a HDTV channel when Leno was less than impressive? This thing picks up all the digital channels, not just the HD ones. Most of the ABC/NBC/etc networks have 4 or 5 channels on my cable system and only one of each is in HD. SD digital generally looks fine, but not outstanding like HD does.

If you're sure it was a HD channel, maybe your cable system isn't that great? Can you receive any OTA stations to compare it to?

HD through the 3510 looks awesome on my Zenith 50" PDP, so I know the box is capable. Could the problem be your TV? How do other sources look on it?

haganah - First off, here's a link to the full manual



Second, the 3510 indicator light happily shows whatever output you have it set at, NOT what it's actually outputting. Even though your "1080i" light is on, it's only sending 480p over component in your case. Upconverting only works over HDMI.

Now to your picture problems. Are you sure you were tuned to a HDTV channel when Leno was less than impressive? This thing picks up all the digital channels, not just the HD ones. Most of the ABC/NBC/etc networks have 4 or 5 channels on my cable system and only one of each is in HD. SD digital generally looks fine, but not outstanding like HD does.

If you're sure it was a HD channel, maybe your cable system isn't that great? Can you receive any OTA stations to compare it to?

HD through the 3510 looks awesome on my Zenith 50" PDP, so I know the box is capable. Could the problem be your TV? How do other sources look on it?

Eagles, thanks for the manual. I'll play with it this weekend. When I switched to that channel, it said it was HD in the corner and not SD. The quality was a bit better than SD but it's not like I could notice skin blemishes. I don't know if maybe my expectations are just too high.

The DVD was just pretty bad though. Even if it's just playing it with progressive scan and not upconverting, I don't think it should be this bad. I'll see how it looks once I get home and change the resolution.

Is there a good DVD i should be doing this with? Maybe Nemo or something?

I would still like my LST-3510A(1.91) to upscale everything from it's VGA(RGBHV) output. Can anyone PM me with some assistance? You can also email me @ bingocardd@hotmail.com.

I searched on another forum (http://216.218.169.43/msgboard/messages/186/33586.html?1136924545) and came across this http://221.169.10.62/external_dvi.htm

I have no idea how well it works though. Maybe someone else will? I'm sure as HD players become common, places like China will start exporting these.

Eagles, thanks for the manual. I'll play with it this weekend. When I switched to that channel, it said it was HD in the corner and not SD. The quality was a bit better than SD but it's not like I could notice skin blemishes. I don't know if maybe my expectations are just too high.

The DVD was just pretty bad though. Even if it's just playing it with progressive scan and not upconverting, I don't think it should be this bad. I'll see how it looks once I get home and change the resolution.

Is there a good DVD i should be doing this with? Maybe Nemo or something?

haganah,

"Pretty bad" is a relative description, but I can tell you this: there's a big difference in PQ between 480p and 1080i. Not too long ago I decided in mid-movie to switch on my 3510A from 1080i to 480p, and the difference was very noticeable. I went back pretty quickly to 1080i. If you can connect via HDMI, I'd recommend it. I have one of the Monoprice DVI/HDMI cables, and it works great.

I have also just purchased the LG LST-3510A from geeks . Just hooked it up last night and everything seems to work except it seems like my resolution is not really 1080i. I am using a DVI to HDMI cable and when I look at the Panasonic 50" plasma closely, I can see very noticeable pixelating. I have seen HDTV at my friends houses with a similar sized TV and there's is definitely much clearer. I've noticed people saying that the front of the tuner says 1080i, but the TV is only getting 480p. I have not yet checked what signal the tv is getting, but i am getting a standard widescreen picture which looks much better than regular tv, but not clear enough for HDTV. Is anyone else having a similar problem? I am definitely missing something. The DVD player also does not look that great. We were using a regular dvd player before and it looks the same as the LG when its upconverting to 1080i. Could it be the cable? I bought the cable from geeks also. I know the plasma displays HDTV resolution so I don't know why the picture isn't clearer. Also, I can't really tell a difference when I switch the resolution to 480p which seems to me like the tuner is not actually outputting 1080i. Has someone had a similar problem or can someone help me? I am going to try to run my cable through it next to see if that makes any difference and if i can get more channels that way. Otherwise I'm not sure if i have a bad unit and should try to return it. Someone let me know if you have any input. Thanks.

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GOOD LST-3510A
Version MP 1.8/ 2003
Box,Manual,Component,Remote
Must sale,ask for$297.00

I see refurbking (http://stores.*********/Refurb-Sources) is back on eBay. They don't appear to have any LST-3510A tuners now, however.

I have also just purchased the LG LST-3510A from geeks . Just hooked it up last night and everything seems to work except it seems like my resolution is not really 1080i. I am using a DVI to HDMI cable and when I look at the Panasonic 50" plasma closely, I can see very noticeable pixelating. I have seen HDTV at my friends houses with a similar sized TV and there's is definitely much clearer. I've noticed people saying that the front of the tuner says 1080i, but the TV is only getting 480p. I have not yet checked what signal the tv is getting, but i am getting a standard widescreen picture which looks much better than regular tv, but not clear enough for HDTV. Is anyone else having a similar problem? I am definitely missing something. The DVD player also does not look that great. We were using a regular dvd player before and it looks the same as the LG when its upconverting to 1080i. Could it be the cable? I bought the cable from geeks also. I know the plasma displays HDTV resolution so I don't know why the picture isn't clearer. Also, I can't really tell a difference when I switch the resolution to 480p which seems to me like the tuner is not actually outputting 1080i. Has someone had a similar problem or can someone help me? I am going to try to run my cable through it next to see if that makes any difference and if i can get more channels that way. Otherwise I'm not sure if i have a bad unit and should try to return it. Someone let me know if you have any input. Thanks.

Hold the Display\format button for about 5 secs and you will have option to choose the resolution.

trying to set up my programmable (JP1) remote for the 3510A that I just ordered.
1. when you open the DVD tray and insert a disc, does that automatically switch the unit from HDTV to the DVD mode without manually hitting the toggle button?

2. does anyone have the separate codes for the DVD and/or HDTV side? (i have the code to toggle between the 2 if that will help anyone)

trying to set up my programmable (JP1) remote for the 3510A that I just ordered.
1. when you open the DVD tray and insert a disc, does that automatically switch the unit from HDTV to the DVD mode without manually hitting the toggle button?


Don't believe it does, heelz. I think hitting the button on the front or on the remote is what it takes.

BTW, go Hokies! :D

Thanks Harpeth, you are right. (Mine came yesteday from Amazon-Discount Jungle)

I noticed that if you are in "DVD" mode, it will switch to the tuner if you channel up or down.
And if the unit is off and you hit the play button it turns on in tuner mode.

I really like it so far. Wasn't sure if it would play the mini cd-r's that a Sony mavica camera uses-but it does! (checked a couple of movies copied using DVD X copy onto dvd-r and they play fine too.)

Yes, I've found my 3510A to be very satisfactory. Like everything else in this world, it's not perfect, but, once you find your way around with it, it's a great tuner.

Harpeth, we were too quick! After inserting a disc, i have to wait 12-15 secs. and it DOES go into DVD mode!!! (firmware version 1.93)

Once in dvd mode if you wish to go into tuner, channel up or down will do it.

If you are in tuner mode AND already have a disc in the unit, hit "play" to go into dvd mode.

and if the unit is off, "play" will turn it on but not off. (this can be useful to setup a one button macro on a programmable remote to turn things on and get the proper inputs on the tv and audio receiver. my wife loves the macros and eliminated "It's too complicated...")

trying to set up my programmable (JP1) remote for the 3510A that I just ordered.
1. when you open the DVD tray and insert a disc, does that automatically switch the unit from HDTV to the DVD mode without manually hitting the toggle button?

2. does anyone have the separate codes for the DVD and/or HDTV side? (i have the code to toggle between the 2 if that will help anyone)


Could you post the code? I'd like to try it with my TV's remote and see if it will work.

Thanks

Could you post the code? I'd like to try it with my TV's remote and see if it will work.

Thanks

I don't think it will be that simple but here goes. The code that i have is for programmable remotes using "JP1". Learn all about that at: http://www.hifi-remote.com/ofa/

The code that lets your remote switch the LG LST-3510A between DVD and tuner modes is: 011 for the obc and 059 for the efc.

Harpeth, we were too quick! After inserting a disc, i have to wait 12-15 secs. and it DOES go into DVD mode!!! (firmware version 1.93)

Once in dvd mode if you wish to go into tuner, channel up or down will do it.

If you are in tuner mode AND already have a disc in the unit, hit "play" to go into dvd mode.

and if the unit is off, "play" will turn it on but not off. (this can be useful to setup a one button macro on a programmable remote to turn things on and get the proper inputs on the tv and audio receiver. my wife loves the macros and eliminated "It's too complicated...")

You're right, heelz. Mine's firmware version 1.92, I think, but, as you said, waiting about 15 seconds does switch the unit over to DVD after inserting a disc. Ditto to your other two points. I suspect these things are in the manual, but I didn't read far enough.

If you want a remote that will simplify things, get a Harmony. I have a model 676, which has eliminated the need to use the factory remotes for TV, tuner, receiver, and VCR.

Looks like Duke and Carolina are headed to a showdown in Greensboro. It was a rough year for Hokie basketball.

If I buy a DVI to component cable will I see 1080 on the QAM channels and DVD's? my HD set does not have DVI :(

You're right, heelz. Mine's firmware version 1.92, I think, but, as you said, waiting about 15 seconds does switch the unit over to DVD after inserting a disc. Ditto to your other two points. I suspect these things are in the manual, but I didn't read far enough.

If you want a remote that will simplify things, get a Harmony. I have a model 676, which has eliminated the need to use the factory remotes for TV, tuner, receiver, and VCR.

Looks like Duke and Carolina are headed to a showdown in Greensboro. It was a rough year for Hokie basketball.

Looks like that showdown took a Boston detour.

I have version 1.93 it does upconvert to 1080i over component.


oh my god you just saved me from returning it, I got 1080i over component!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YEAH!!!!!!!! Watching Fahrenheit 9/11 and CBS HD college basketball!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Looks like that showdown took a Boston detour.

Wow, didn't it though! Surprise, surprise! UNC out of the ACC championship, UK out of the SEC championship. It's a topsy-turvy season.

If I buy a DVI to component cable will I see 1080 on the QAM channels and DVD's? my HD set does not have DVI :(There's no such cable. DVI is digital and component is (usually) analog. But that's fop DVD upscaling only. 1080i QAM should be good over component.

Ed

Quote:
Originally Posted by kevinbuckeye
I have version 1.93 it does upconvert to 1080i over component.


oh my god you just saved me from returning it, I got 1080i over component!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YEAH!!!!!!!! Watching Fahrenheit 9/11 and CBS HD college basketball!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!There's no way that V 1.93 is upconverting DVDs over component. Is it TV that you are watching in HD over component?

Ed

Well this is weird, I watched the Incredibles, it said 1080i on the tv screen and then after I put in Spiderman the tv blacked out and then said 480p. Still looks amazing. And yes QAM tuner does produce true 1080i over component.

And if you don't believe me about the DVI to component cable, look at this

http://www.xpcgear.com/dvicomponent.html

And if you don't believe me about the DVI to component cable, look at this

http://www.xpcgear.com/dvicomponent.htmlOK - this is a cable that physically has DVI connector at one end and 3 RCA's at the other end. But there are very few setups that will allow you to use this. Either the DVI I/O needs to be analog (DVI-I I think) and in a YPrPb format or the component end needs to be digital (YCrCb).

Ed

OK - this is a cable that physically has DVI connector at one end and 3 RCA's at the other end. But there are very few setups that will allow you to use this. Either the DVI I/O needs to be analog (DVI-I I think) and in a YPrPb format or the component end needs to be digital (YCrCb).

EdCorrect. This cable will not work if the connector is DVD-D (digital only) but will work when the DVI connector on the source has analog signals present. This is the case with DVD-A (analog) and DVD-I (integrated, both digital and analog signals on the connector)

This link DVI Connector Pinout (http://pinouts.ru/data/dvi_pinout.shtml) describes both the 24 pin connector as found on the back of the LST-3510 and the 29 pin connector that would exist on equipment that could also supply "analog" (component) signals that would work with an adaptor cable like the one you were considering.

Unfortunately, The DVI connector on the LST-3510 is DVI-D (24 pin, digital only) so the cable will probably not work and probably will not even fit into the connector on the 3510's rear panel since the DVI-D connector does not provide openings for the "analog" pins on the cable. (On my unit, the slot labeled "C5" exists, but the holes for pins labeled C1,C2, C3 & C4 do not exist)

Yes, I've found my 3510A to be very satisfactory. Like everything else in this world, it's not perfect, but, once you find your way around with it, it's a great tuner.

I had a good experience with a Zenith HDV-420, then bought a 4200a. But I have no space in my cabinet for a separate DVD and the 3510a is the one i have decided to keep.

Correct. This cable will not work if the connector is DVD-D (digital only) but will work when the DVI connector on the source has analog signals present. This is the case with DVD-A (analog) and DVD-I (integrated, both digital and analog signals on the connector)

This link DVI Connector Pinout (http://pinouts.ru/data/dvi_pinout.shtml) describes both the 24 pin connector as found on the back of the LST-3510 and the 29 pin connector that would exist on equipment that could also supply "analog" (component) signals that would work with an adaptor cable like the one you were considering.

Unfortunately, The DVI connector on the LST-3510 is DVI-D (24 pin, digital only) so the cable will probably not work and probably will not even fit into the connector on the 3510's rear panel since the DVI-D connector does not provide openings for the "analog" pins on the cable. (On my unit, the slot labeled "C5" exists, but the holes for pins labeled C1,C2, C3 & C4 do not exist)

http://www.dtrovision.com/ So then these wouldn't work either?

http://www.dtrovision.com/ So then these wouldn't work either?
Doesn't look like it.

Ed

I Got this from my Dealer, R e f u r b K i n g

Correction EEPROM for LST-3510A

Symptom:

The DVD will be lock up in 10 to 15 minutes and the DVD tray will not open or close, Or can not switch from DTV tuner mode to DVD mode.

Solution:

Remove all the DVD Video from DVD tray before do the procedure below.

Turn off and turn on the unit again. After the unit is initialized, switch the DTV mode to DVD mode by pressing the DTV/DVD button on the front panel. And do this procedure:

1. Press: PAUSE,1, 4, 7, 2 on remote control ( If it is not work try again)
The TV screen will be shown as: PROM EDIT: 1 55
PROM OPTION: 55 53 00 47 14 55 FE FF
FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF

2. Change the first row to 55 53 00 4A 12 00 7A FF

3. To confirm on each column press ENTER button after change any number.

4. To move from one column to the next press up arrow key. To return back to the previous
column, press down arrow key.

5. To type a letter A press and hold number 1.

6. To exit the procedure press PAUSE key.

Do not change any number on second row. ( keep as in: ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff )

. . . Bud
Has anyone tried this procedure with firmware version 1.93?

I'd like to know what values show up in step 1 with fw ver 1.93.

Don't use this procedure. In a later post it indicates that it does not work and it screws with your system.

Here is the quote:

"If you applied the patches I posted here before, undo them. They turn off the region free encoding, and create another problem. (Thanks, RefurbKing %$#@#$%)

If you bought one of these from RefurbKing . . Let them know abut the issues you are having, and maybe we can all win one.

I'm sending mine back.

. . . Bud" .......

There's currently a bunch of 3510A's on Ebay. Refubking is back by the looks of it.

Sorry to read that some 3510A owners are having trouble that requires getting into the service code. FWIW, I got my unit from RefurbKing back in early January. The first one they sent had a problem which I noticed the first day I had it. I emailed customer service, was referred to their RMA webpage, completed the RMA, packed up the unit, and took it to UPS. RFKing obviously pays attention to customer care, because I received a replacement unit two days after returning the first one. They didn't wait to receive the first unit. The second unit works perfectly.

If you've got a problem with one of their units, let them know with a reasonable email or phone call. I suspect they'll give you good service too. Someone once said, "do unto others as you'd have them do unto you." I've found that to be good advice.

I connected it to Infocus projector which is HDCP compatible. I played kid's backup DVD and it has no problem through DVI. But when I play original DVD it refuse to send signal to pojector due to HDCP issue. Is it suppose to do that? I am not using component.

Thanks.

Roy,

Have you tried several different DVDs, to see if it's a chronic problem, as opposed to a quirk related to that one DVD?

I am considering getting a LST-3510 to use with my AE900U for HD TV and upscaling dvd's. Seems to work better for some than others. I noticed Referbking's listing on eBay says it won't play home made DVD's.

I have been thinking of getting an upscaling dvd player and a tuner, but this could take care of both things at the cost of one. As long as it will let me do these two functions, might have some quirks, it would be great. I have read throught the tread and it looks like it might work ok. Any comments?

Hi buck351, i bought a 3510a about a month ago and i have played several DVD copies made with DVD copy express with no problem. I was hoping the unit would play Sony Mavica Camera mini cdr's and it does. I previously owned a 4200a and the reception on the 3510a seems about the same. (I also bought the unit to save space and have not been disappointed at all!)

Perhaps my TV takes care of the so called "upscaling" internally, but i have not been able to notice any difference even when using the 3510a with the DVI connection. (but hey, i turn 51 this month and my eyes...)

I am considering getting a LST-3510 to use with my AE900U for HD TV and upscaling dvd's. Seems to work better for some than others. I noticed Referbking's listing on eBay says it won't play home made DVD's.

I have been thinking of getting an upscaling dvd player and a tuner, but this could take care of both things at the cost of one. As long as it will let me do these two functions, might have some quirks, it would be great. I have read throught the tread and it looks like it might work ok. Any comments?

Buck

I wouldn't recommend this unit for upscaling DVDs on a projector. I'm running 100" 4:3 with my Infocus X1 and it looks awful compared to my Zenith DVB-318. If you want upscaling DVD on a pj stick with a Panny S97 or the Oppo unit.

HD looked great, though. I just wasn't impressed with DVD performance at 480p...I can't image it looks much better upscaled.

Roy,

Have you tried several different DVDs, to see if it's a chronic problem, as opposed to a quirk related to that one DVD?

Hi, I am not sure if this happes to all DVDs as I am using HTPC for DVD playback. I tried component connection and it can play "Hidden Dragon crouching tiger" DVD and my backup DVD with 1080i output.

Seems I am not alone. Here is a guy complaining about the same issue:

http://www.**************/forums/textthread.php?catid=18&threadid=545761

Basically a bad HDCP implementation on this unit blocks upconverting DVD on DVI at higher reslutions beyond 480p, even if you have a DVI/HDCP monitor/TV. When I connect my Infocus 4805(HDCP capable) to the unit and try to play Harry Porter 3, it says you can not play this DVD using this connection due to HDCP restrictions. It could be just a firmware issue on the 3510, but there is no hacked version for this unit yet.

So like I said DVD upconverting is only on paper. The DVD playing is basiclly useless, I have to use this for HDTV and Samsung HD841 for all DVDs.

Buck

I wouldn't recommend this unit for upscaling DVDs on a projector. I'm running 100" 4:3 with my Infocus X1 and it looks awful compared to my Zenith DVB-318. If you want upscaling DVD on a pj stick with a Panny S97 or the Oppo unit.

HD looked great, though. I just wasn't impressed with DVD performance at 480p...I can't image it looks much better upscaled.

X1 is a SVGA projector with 800x600 resolution, why you need to upscale? Without upscale, X1 projector could use its famous Faraudja chip to downscale 480i to 450P. You upscale 480i to 720p/1080i and then downscale to 450p. I feel that just make it looks worse.

For HD, you just output the native 1080i signal and X1 do 1080i->450p downscale and that is the reason why it looks great.

BTW, with a 800x600 resolution projector, I don't think you can justify the upscale quality.

Roy

Buck

I wouldn't recommend this unit for upscaling DVDs on a projector. I'm running 100" 4:3 with my Infocus X1 and it looks awful compared to my Zenith DVB-318. If you want upscaling DVD on a pj stick with a Panny S97 or the Oppo unit.



for anyone wanting the 3510 as an upscaling player, you might have to take both the above and my opinion with a grain of salt - I ran my 3510 thru a DVI-rgb dongle into my crt projector; projected onto a 10' screen, the picture looked so GOOD to me that I almost cancelled my VP30 external processor. I for one am very happy with the upscaling to 1080i; haven't done much at 720p - maybe that is where Green is seeing an inferior picture. At 1080i output, my 3510 is superb.

Amen to your review, Jon. I don't have a projector; just a 30" WS CRT. Mine's connected via DVI/HDMI adapter. 1080i is so real, you could almost step thru the glass and into the action, a la C. S. Lewis. I don't have anything but good things to say about the 3510A.

I'm not sure if this is a problem with my new (refurbed) LST-3510A, but I get this weird banding signal pulsing horizontally across the screen using DVI @ 1080i. It occurs about every second or so and is only visible during dark scenes.

The LG is connected to a Sony 36XBR800 CRT. It looks fine at 480p with no banding issues.

Any ideas? TIA!

Hi, I am not sure if this happes to all DVDs as I am using HTPC for DVD playback. I tried component connection and it can play "Hidden Dragon crouching tiger" DVD and my backup DVD with 1080i output.

Seems I am not alone. Here is a guy complaining about the same issue:

http://www.**************/forums/tex...threadid=545761

Quote:
Originally Posted by harpeth
Basically a bad HDCP implementation on this unit blocks upconverting DVD on DVI at higher reslutions beyond 480p, even if you have a DVI/HDCP monitor/TV. When I connect my Infocus 4805(HDCP capable) to the unit and try to play Harry Porter 3, it says you can not play this DVD using this connection due to HDCP restrictions. It could be just a firmware issue on the 3510, but there is no hacked version for this unit yet.

So like I said DVD upconverting is only on paper. The DVD playing is basiclly useless, I have to use this for HDTV and Samsung HD841 for all DVDs.

The quote above in bold, attributed to me, is not my post. I don't know how it got associated with my screen name, but it's not mine. I don't speak that techno talk, I don't have an Infocus 4805, and I don't have "Harry Potter 3."

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The quote above in bold, attributed to me, is not my post. I don't know how it got associated with my screen name, but it's not mine. I don't speak that techno talk, I don't have an Infocus 4805, and I don't have "Harry Potter 3."
Sorry for confusion. Quote is from linked post in another forum.

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The quote above in bold, attributed to me, is not my post. I don't know how it got associated with my screen name, but it's not mine. I don't speak that techno talk, I don't have an Infocus 4805, and I don't have "Harry Potter 3."

But do you have "Harry Porter 3"?? :D

That post was by user "wei2cool". The person who attributed it to you must be quote-challenged.

sorry if i missed this question in this thread, i just purchased the lst 3510a for $120 at BB it was a display model and didn't come with a remote. i have a universal remote but it doesn't list LG codes as an ota tuner only as a dvd player however they list a zenith ota tuner(i was told that this model was made by zenith) does anyone know which code i should try, also can you combine an ota signal and a cable signal? will the 3510a scan and display all signals from the combined source

sorry if i missed this question in this thread, i just purchased the lst 3510a for $120 at BB it was a display model and didn't come with a remote. i have a universal remote but it doesn't list LG codes as an ota tuner only as a dvd player however they list a zenith ota tuner(i was told that this model was made by zenith) does anyone know which code i should try, also can you combine an ota signal and a cable signal? will the 3510a scan and display all signals from the combined source


I can tell you that the LG takes most of the commands that my Zenith DVD player does. Except the power-off command, unfortunately :confused:

will the 3510a scan and display all signals from the combined source

pretty sure it is one or the other - you'd have to do a rescan to go from ota to QAM; plus, it doesn't do NSTC - tho it will pass it thru to your tv tuner.

btw, congrats on the price - I've been checking BB open box/display ever since I bought my present one there last summer.

GreenMonkey,

I decided to take a chance and order a 3510a since I really liked the idea of having a tuner, dvd player and upscaler in one unit. But I have to agree about the performance of the video. I am running a smaller screen than you in my temporary location for my projector an the video performance of the dvd player is not acceptable. It won't play -R dvd without numerous pauses and the video is not very good. My Sony NS775 provides noticeably better video and it doesn't have any upscaling. So I'll be sending the 3510a back under the 30 day return. If I want an upscaling dvd player I think I'll look at the newer verison of the upscaling Sony which I was considering previously. Thanks for everyones input.


Buck

I wouldn't recommend this unit for upscaling DVDs on a projector. I'm running 100" 4:3 with my Infocus X1 and it looks awful compared to my Zenith DVB-318. If you want upscaling DVD on a pj stick with a Panny S97 or the Oppo unit.

HD looked great, though. I just wasn't impressed with DVD performance at 480p...I can't image it looks much better upscaled.

Computer Geeks has the refurbished LST-3510A on sale for 164.99 and there is free shipping if you order today (4/13/06). Despite all the problems reported, I think this may be the best way to get HDTV and upscaling for my little 26" HDTV ready LCD monitor.

Chuck :)

Computer Geeks has the refurbished LST-3510A on sale for 164.99 and there is free shipping if you order today (4/13/06). Despite all the problems reported, I think this may be the best way to get HDTV and upscaling for my little 26" HDTV ready LCD monitor.

Chuck :)


Chuck,

Thanks for the heads up :cool: . The Computer Geeks deal was good enough to knock me off the OTA receiver fence I've been stuck on for the past couple of weeks.

RIP VOOM OTA

Alan

Watch out for the Computer Geeks - I've read lots of horror stories on the internet feedback about them. If you get a flaky refurbed unit from them they may only give credit for a refund. So be sure to contact them first to check on their policies.

I saw someone in my local area was selling a used LST-3510A for only $75 and it was in perfect condition and had all the accessories including the original remote and manual. Considering used units are selling on EBAY now (I saw 3 sell this past week) for $150-180 I figured it was a good deal and got it. Its working perfectly, looks like it was bought new at Circuit City about 2 years ago and has firmware v1.91 - anyone know if the later versions (I've seen 1.92 and 1.93 mentioned) fixed anything major? I'm only using it on my HDTV which only has two component inputs (no DVI or HDMI) and can get 1080i component video output for the HD tuner and from the DVD Player for non-protected discs, 480p format for protected discs. So far everything works better than I had hoped - receiving all local HD channels with good signal levels.

Hi everyone, I have a question about the analog audio ouputs on the LG LST-3510A.

Does this device REALLY allow DTS passthrough like the specs say?

We are buying this to replace my friend's old Koss KS3112 Progressive-Scan DVD Player, which DID have DTS passthrough and allowed him to select the DTS 5.1 option from his DVDs.

We're currently just using regular RCA-type audio cables with only 3 layers of shielding and silver-plated conductors with gold-plated contacts.

Hi everyone, I have a question about the analog audio ouputs on the LG LST-3510A.

Does this device REALLY allow DTS passthrough like the specs say?

We are buying this to replace my friend's old Koss KS3112 Progressive-Scan DVD Player, which DID have DTS passthrough and allowed him to select the DTS 5.1 option from his DVDs.

We're currently just using regular RCA-type audio cables with only 3 layers of shielding and silver-plated conductors with gold-plated contacts.DTS cannot be pass-through on analog. Either it needs to be decoded in the DVD player and sent as analog or the bitstream needs to be passed on a digital connection.

Ed

DTS cannot be pass-through on analog. Either it needs to be decoded in the DVD player and sent as analog or the bitstream needs to be passed on a digital connection.

Ed


Are you SURE?

We were watching The Twins Effect this Friday and toggled between Dolby Digital and DTS from the DVD menu but we were still able to hear the audio track from both settings.

On the DTS setting, the dialogue and backgound noises from the movie somehow became slightly more distinct.

This is weird, cuz I thought normally you wouldn't hear anything at all from a DTS track unless your DVD player was hooked up to a 5.1 sound system with digital audio cables.

Are you SURE?

We were watching The Twins Effect this Friday and toggled between Dolby Digital and DTS from the DVD menu but we were still able to hear the audio track from both settings.

On the DTS setting, the dialogue and backgound noises from the movie somehow became slightly more distinct.

This is weird, cuz I thought normally you wouldn't hear anything at all from a DTS track unless your DVD player was hooked up to a 5.1 sound system with digital audio cables.Probably the DVD player has a DTS decoder and then it's sent as an analog signal.

Ed

Probably the DVD player has a DTS decoder and then it's sent as an analog signal.

Ed



Thanks for the info, Ed.

Hey, do you know if the LG LST-3510A will allow us to do the same thing?

After we ditch the Koss, we're gonna try to hook the LG LST-3510A up to his new Niko 32" LCD TV via DVI cable ($180) because I've been hearing so many folks in here having qualms with a component connection.

I also don't wanna shell out the $950 for another set of component cables because they prolly won't solve the 720p/1080i problem.

But the **** is, this TV only offers a mini-jack input for the sound when you use DVI.

That means we're gonna hafta get one of those cheapo RCA to mini-plug adapters from Ratshack and run these $100 audio cables to the TV.

What a ****ING WASTE!!!

Would the DTS decoder still be able to work and send the analog audio signal thru to his TV this way?

His office is cramped as it is, yet he still wants decent half-assed sound but doesn't wanna install a 5.1 sound system due to space constraints.

Using a sound input on a tv is generally going to lead to poor quality anyway. I dont think there is much improvement between the mini-jack and the standard rca audio. Most HD sources will have an optical out to plug into a receiver to achieve a better quality sound. Might as well bypass the tv's sound any way you can.

Hey, do you know if the LG LST-3510A will allow us to do the same thing?No. It has no DTS decoder.

Ed

Just purchased a lst unti over e-bay. d!g!tal blowout-out of florida.
no response to calls or e-mails. DVD is down-supposed to be new unopened-no factory batteries=serials # removed. Warranty has VOID stamped on it.
Beware.
But I gotta say the tuner is fantastic.
Get Disc error whenever I put a dvd in.
Before I bust this e-bay guy. I'll ask if any of you know something I might not be doing right.
TIA

Just purchased a lst unti over e-bay. d!g!tal blowout-out of florida.
no response to calls or e-mails. DVD is down-supposed to be new unopened-no factory batteries=serials # removed. Warranty has VOID stamped on it.
Beware.
But I gotta say the tuner is fantastic.
Get Disc error whenever I put a dvd in.
Before I bust this e-bay guy. I'll ask if any of you know something I might not be doing right.
TIAMy refurbed unit would not switch to DVD after using the tuner for a while. If I turned it off and turned it back on I could then switch to DVD.

Also a while back in this thread there was some info on changing data in a non-user setup menu. I forgot what it was for - it may be the problem I just described. So you might want to check back in the earlier posts.

Ed

Just purchased a lst unti over e-bay. d!g!tal blowout-out of florida.

Get Disc error whenever I put a dvd in.

TIA

that doesn't sound good; glad you posted - I'd been watching those also, but they are listed as refurbed... Mine has never had that problem. I'd try a couple different discs, both factory and backed up, if that is an option. You should just be able to toggle between disc and tuner mode on the remote. "disc error" could be as mundane as an unreadable disc (also try a cd :) ) or as fatal as a bad laser pickup.

Good Luck

The unit was sold new from factory. I have since called LG and they said that if the serials are missing then they are refurbished. Gave me an address in alabama where they can be fixed- minimum $100 dollars.
It reads photo cds and audio, ripped audio, but not mp3 nor the dvds. For a while I got a 480i read but that stammered and froze and was useless. I think I read somewhere here about a setup code, but i'm not sure. 7777 doesn't program when I go to change the rating settings or country code.
But I still love the tuner.

I have seen more than one post saying 3510A "cannot do NTSC". What is meant by that?

Here are specs that I found at amazon:

Playback formats: DVD-Video (NTSC), VCD, SVCD, red book CD, CD-R, CD-RW, MP3 CD, WMA CD, JPEG image CD (up to 649 images)

Reception: ATSC, Digital TV standard (1080i, 720p, 480p, 480i)

Channel coverage: Digital TV: 1-69; VHF: 2-13; UHF: 14-69; unscrambled analog CATV: 1-125; unscrambled digital CATV: 1-135


How can the 3510A not do NTSC? Isnt that what VHF and CATV is? Do I have bogus specs pasted above? Can someone please confirm what the heck is the deal?


My setup is:
Mitsubishi XD450U projector (capable of 720p/1080i)
Comcast anaog basic cable (unscrambled analog CATV: 1-125)

I currently play DVD's off my laptop with DVI because every DVD player I hook to this is crap for quality, even with component out. I want a DVD player that matches my PC quality video, and I assume a DVI output would be the fix. I'd like to get my basic cable (ugly non-HD) to project as well. I believe there are a few HDTV channels that are sent over the basic cable line, and that is a bonus too. Comcast does send HD over the wire for local channels and Discovery ch with my current subscription.

Will the 3510A perform what I am after? Good quality DVD playback without needing my laptop, ability to project basic TV, ability to project HDTV.

I have seen more than one post saying 3510A "cannot do NTSC". What is meant by that?

It means that it will not receive over the air analog or analog cable broadcasts. I don't have cable so I can't say what it will receive on CADTV, but the 3510A definitely does not tune analog NTSC terrestrial broadcasts from an antenna. You can only receive over the air digital (ATSC) channels. This is really no loss since the ATSC broadcast will usually look better on a digital display. And the HDTV programs look amazing. It's only a problem if you can't receive the digital stations broadcasting in your area.

Here is a cut and paste from the Setup Menu Options portion of 3510A manual:

EZ Scan (Channel Search)

Automatically finds all channels (digital) available using the ‘Ant In’ source,
and stores all the active channels found on the channel list. Inactive or weak
channels may not appear on the list. In that case, add missing channels
manually with the Ch. edit menu. The channel list created here can be seen
in the Ch. Edit menu.

1) Press MENU to display the on-screen menu.

2) Select the SETUP menu using 3 / 4 then press (SELECT) or 2 to move to the second level.

3) Select EZ Scan using 3 / 4 then press (SELECT).

4) Select the signal source (DTV or CADTV). DTV is for over-the-air antenna reception. CADTV is for cable subscribers.

Notes
• If you select CADTV, select a cable band (STD, HRC, or IRC). Ask your cable service provider about cable band.
• In most cases you can search channels correctly by selecting STD cable band. Try the other bands if you cannot find any channels.
• Some scrambled channels may not be stored.

=> Housecouch

Yup, I was also bidding for my second 3510 tuner from d!g!talblows. (ebay)
But seeing that the ebay guy's record is so bad. I am not going to buy from him. I haven't got a successful bid yet.

I got the first one (more expensive) thru a different ebay seller. The unit is refurbished but everything on the player works great including the dvd player. It switches to DVD mode when a DVD disc is inserted.

The unit was shipped by geeks.com in CA. So I think buying thru geeks.com is actually better than getting it thru ebay.

Just got this here contraption (The LG LST-3510A) recently and me and my friend have been fiddling with it ALL WEEK, moving the antennas in every whichever direction we possibly can in order to 'lock on' to the signals as best as we can.


Our current equipment only consists of:

Niko 32" LCD TV

Radioshack Digital HDTV Indoor Antenna (15-1880)

Zenith ZHDTV1 Silver Sensor HDTV/UHF Digital Indoor Antenna

2 runs of Impact Acoustics Sonicwave Series RF cable (one 6ft. & one 12ft.)

1 run of Monster M-Series Silver Video RF cable (6ft.)

1 run of Acoustic Research Master Series DVI cable (12ft.)


We have combined the 2 antennas together.

Currently, we are still trying to get as many free OTA HD channels as we can.

We can get most of our local DTV channel networks like Fox 2, KRON 4, CBS 5, WB 20, and UPN 44 but we just can't seem to get ABC 7.

We just kept on gittin' a pitch-black screen with the "NO SIGNAL" indicator all flashing, which basically meant that we ate HORSE-ARSE WITH BEANS fer dinner that night.

Signal strength on that channel registers at 0% at all times.

We can get ABC 7 in standard fuzzy analog by just using the TV's own regular NTSC tuner, but we can't get ABC 7 in HD thru the LG LST-3510A.

And also, since his office is on the 1st floor facing a busy street with lots of traffic we tend to get alot of interferrence.

The picture always pixelates heavily or blacks out whenever a bus or truck passes by during peak times.

It doesn't happen very frequently, but when it DOES happen, it's annoying to watch.

Everything looks TOP-NOTCH when the picture is stable, provided by there's not alot of interferrence outside.

Any suggestions on how to stop these "drop-outs" and git bettar reception?

Some suggestions here:

I tried the same Radioshack antenna before and the reception is'nt great.

Finally I settled on the Terk antenna HDTVa (amplified) which is basically the Silver Sensor with amp. That got me more OTA signals.

U might want to give that a shot.

Use the antennaweb.org to find out where you can get your ABC signal.

Thanks for the advice, but instead of forking out another 40-50 bucks for another antenna; I think I'll just order the Zenith Digital HDTV Antenna Amplifier and combine it with the ZHDTV1 like it suggests, and then see how it goes from there.

All we really need to get right now is ABC 7 in HD.

My friend MUST be able watch ABC sports in his office because it means EVERYTHING to him.

He got totally fed-up with his bulky old 1993 Sanyo 20" CRT, which accepted RF input only.

Back then, we had no other choice but to run his PS2 and DVD player thru it via an RF modulator and some S-video cables (all Monster).

We fed the line to his TV with a top-of-the-line AudioQuest VDM-XF RF coaxial cable.

It was ridiculously expensive (overkill) for this kinda setup, but it worked.

For a while, the picture quality was VERY acceptable... Sanyo would've been proud if they saw it.

So when we finally ditched that POS and decided to go LCD, he wanted me buy all these expensive cables to help out with the picture quality.

BTW, just finally around to hooking up that Acoustic Research Master Series DVI cable to this tuner (was using component cables previously) and I must say that it was a pain in the ARSE to install.

And WOE to anybody else who plans on wrestling this snake (or buying it for that matter).

I mean, the cable was like 1 inch thick in diameter!

Due to the 4 layers of outter shielding, this made the cable VERY stiff and EXTREMELY difficult to plug into the back of your TV.

It took 2 guys to install it, one to hold it in place so that the pins line up correctly while the other guy pushes it in and painfully twists on those big, over-sized thumbscrews.

Took us like half an hour just to get it all in!

Hell, I don't even know for sure if we plugged in the right direction or not.

Currently, we have the end with the ferrite (that big plastic thing) connected to the LG LST-3510A, while the other end that doesn't have it is connected to the Niko 32" LCD TV.

We originally tried having the ferrite end going to the back of the TV, but it won't fit because it was just too fat.

Right now, he can't even have the electronics cabinet close to the wall anymore because the cable is so stiff and juts out from back of the tuner so much.

The picture quality produced from this snake is sharp, bright, and clear.

But however, I noticed that the colors are no longer as EYE-GOUGING as they were when we were using componet cables.

I kinda miss that nice blue tinge during darker scenes.

Any clues from the cable experts in here?

BTW, just finally around to hooking up that Acoustic Research Master Series DVI cable to this tuner (was using component cables previously) and I must say that it was a pain in the ARSE to install.

And WOE to anybody else who plans on wrestling this snake (or buying it for that matter).

How long a distance are you trying to go with that cable?

DVI is a DIGITAL interface. Either the TV can decode the signal or it can't. So a big fat cable doesn't do you any good if you only need to go 5 feet. The signal does get slightly degraded in that distance, but the TV should be able to successfully recover 100% of the information. Digital means 100%. Not degraded to 95% or 99% or even 99.99%. Instead, 100% of the bits being transmitted over the DVI cable will be EXACTLY the same as at the source.

"There's a sucker born every minute."

How long a distance are you trying to go with that cable?

DVI is a DIGITAL interface. Either the TV can decode the signal or it can't. So a big fat cable doesn't do you any good if you only need to go 5 feet. The signal does get slightly degraded in that distance, but the TV should be able to successfully recover 100% of the information. Digital means 100%. Not degraded to 95% or 99% or even 99.99%. Instead, 100% of the bits being transmitted over the DVI cable will be EXACTLY the same as at the source.

"There's a sucker born every minute."



Well, this here TV is actually only about 6 ft. away from that there tuner ya see.

This here cable is 12ft. long, but it's so big and fat like you said that we couldn't even stretch it out all the way out so most of it is all tucked in there behind the tuner in his tiny little electronics cabinet.

I couldn't get the 6ft. version because nobody carries it anymore.

My spending budget on the intended DVI cable for this setup had to be less than $300, and I knewd that a 6-foot run just wouldn't cut it.

All the other brands of DVI cables that I've looked at were kinda expensive.

At least 1 other person here on the AVS Forums has bought this here cable and have reported OK results with it.

Like I said his office is cramped as it is, so everything has to fit nicely.

The picture is really freakin' clear and stable now, all the interferrence is gone but we still can't get ABC 7.

I E-mailed Acoustic Research 3 WHOLE TIMES already and they still haven't replied.

Looks like we GOT what we PAID for.

Talk about bad luck! :D

I bought my DVI-HDMI cable from monoprice.com and it was perfect and cheap.

http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10231&style=

I don't believe in buying a super thick cable when the length is only 6ft because it is digital.

A reasonably thick cable with noise suppressors on each end would do the trick.

I agree with that.

But I also have good reason to believe that we got SHAFTED this time because the Acoustic Research customer service is not quite all there.

There is only 1 noise supressor (ferrite) on this cable and I just wanted to ask them which direction that end of the cable we were supposed to plug it into, but they NEVER replied.

I was expecting better service than that after paying a fair penny for their products.

I was also wondering WHY the tuner doesn't automatically detect a 1080i signal with this here cable plugged in if it claims to have all that snake oil like it says.

Having to get up and manually adjust the display mode on that there contraption actually kinda feels more primitive than 'hi-end' if ya asked me.

You can't even get people to do SIMPLE THINGS these days.

Without ABC 7, we won't be able to watch the NBA finals!

I wish I could just strangel both LG and AR with this cable right now! :D

The other option is to get basic cable TV and possibly get the HD signal from there.

No guarantees though. It depends on your cable TV provider.

The LG tuner can pick up OTA signals from the cable. That is how I am using mine right now.

The other option is to get basic cable TV and possibly get the HD signal from there.

No guarantees though. It depends on your cable TV provider.

The LG tuner can pick up QAM signals from the cable. That is how I am using mine right now.

I've been trying to get my LG 3510 to play DVDs over the DVI output into my new Sony HD TV's HDMI input but I keep getting an error message...about a problem with HDCP. The setup works for HDTV but not for the DVD player...is this a software problem? Sony checked out the TV and says it's the LG unit...

Hey, we just got the Zenith amp today and installed it on the Silver Sensor.

I turned the booster nob all the way to MAX power. (20 dB)

It picked up like 5 extra channels, but we STILL CAN'T get ABC 7!!! :D

But thanks anyway, you were of great help.

I am thinking of returning that AR Master Series DVI cable and getting my money back for a different brand.

Today when were watching some Karaoke DVDs in his office, something was seriously bugging me about the picture quality.

While the overall picture was bright and sharp, the primaries (reds, greens, and blues) on the other hand, looked kinda washed-out; and there was still some fuzzy-looking artifacts around the subtitles if you GLARE at the screen with a discerning eye.

Today when I watched a man in the music video drinking a glass of red wine, it just didn't look right... Somehow I felt that the liquid wasn't quite red enough.

And here I was; thinking that gold-plated contacts, silver-plated conductors, and FOUR LAYERS of shielding was supposed to help this contraption render the colors VERY accurately.

You know, we didn't have these problems last week when we were still running it in component video at 480p.

And you really shouldn't be having ANY these problems at all if you're running DVI in 1080i.

After 3 hours of observation, something in my gut just tells me that this here DVI cable, despite it's good looks and high price; is not quite up to par.

I'm gonna return it and get another brand, I know it has gotta get better than this.

I admit to being totally off-track and not in my right state of mind when suckered into buying this cable.

Sorry fer bein' a heckler.

I've been trying to get my LG 3510 to play DVDs over the DVI output into my new Sony HD TV's HDMI input but I keep getting an error message...about a problem with HDCP. The setup works for HDTV but not for the DVD player...is this a software problem? Sony checked out the TV and says it's the LG unit...



Hell, they're ALWAYS blaming OTHER people for their shortcomings! :D

That's just the way it is, ya see?

Many of us in here are using a DVI to DVI connection straight to a flat panel.

I just see it as Sony's way of extracting revenge on the consumers who didn't buy their 200-pound gorrilla last year.

I wouldn't be HALF-SUPRISED if the PS3 gives ya the same error message next year!

MWU-HAHA...

I've been trying to get my LG 3510 to play DVDs over the DVI output into my new Sony HD TV's HDMI input but I keep getting an error message...about a problem with HDCP. The setup works for HDTV but not for the DVD player...is this a software problem? Sony checked out the TV and says it's the LG unit...

Sounds like you need to get back to your source for the LG. I got mine from Refurbking on eBay, and the original one they sent had a problem with the DVD player. I let them know and they immediately set into motion getting me a replacement. I sent the original back and two days later had the new one on my doorstep. It works fine.

It means that it will not receive over the air analog or analog cable broadcasts. I don't have cable so I can't say what it will receive on CADTV, but the 3510A definitely does not tune analog NTSC terrestrial broadcasts from an antenna. You can only receive over the air digital (ATSC) channels. This is really no loss since the ATSC broadcast will usually look better on a digital display. And the HDTV programs look amazing. It's only a problem if you can't receive the digital stations broadcasting in your area.

Forgive me for not knowing all the jargon here. I've read through 10 or more pages here and found the above answer about analog, but does anyone know if this works with digital cable? I've been looking at the 3510 as a solution/present for my brother. He has the HP f2105 LCD (DVI input) next to a 13" TV and laptop on his desk. We have digital cable with 80 regular and 8 HD channels. Will the 3105 pick up all 88 or just the 8 HD channels? I just want to get that old TV off his desk!

I've shopped them and found them as low as $159 on Amazon (hope they are not these refurb ones as they say brand new there).

Will this work for our cable?

Thanks!

We have digital cable with 80 regular and 8 HD channels. Will the 3105 pick up all 88 or just the 8 HD channels? I just want to get that old TV off his desk!


Will this work for our cable?

Thanks!

There is a very good chance, depending on your cable system, of your being able to pick up the HD channels from the broadcast networks which tend to be unencrypted and use the QAM standard. When I had Comcast, I was able to get all my local channels, plus see snippets of pay-per-view using a 3510a. There may be channels available too, depending on your cable operator, for a while I was getting TNT-HD too.

We have digital cable with 80 regular and 8 HD channels. Will the 3105 pick up all 88 or just the 8 HD channels?It will be all 88. There's really no distintion between HD and non-HD as far as DTV broadcast.

Ed

Thanks for the info Ed and grhowes. I suppose I should call my cable provider Tuesday and see what format or compatability they support.

For kicks I just stole his HP f2105 hooked it up to my pc with a USB TV tuner with less than great results. So if the 3510 works, I'll be picking up both for myself ;) I'm sure with the DVI connection it should be far better picture than running through my pc. Thanks again for the answers. Should I get it for him, I'll be sure and post my results here.

Forgive me for not knowing all the jargon here. I've read through 10 or more pages here and found the above answer about analog, but does anyone know if this works with digital cable? I've been looking at the 3510 as a solution/present for my brother. He has the HP f2105 LCD (DVI input) next to a 13" TV and laptop on his desk. We have digital cable with 80 regular and 8 HD channels. Will the 3105 pick up all 88 or just the 8 HD channels? I just want to get that old TV off his desk!

I've shopped them and found them as low as $159 on Amazon (hope they are not these refurb ones as they say brand new there).

Will this work for our cable?

Thanks!

you obviously won't be able to see descrambled cable channels, whether HD or Non-HD. Those not descrambled you will be able to see, it is a tuner, not a descrambler.

For some reason my 3510a can't tune in HD anymore. I don't have an antenna so I can't see if OTA works. Basically the HD was all working fine and I decided to do a channel scan to see if Comcast had changed the HD channel lineup in my area (arlington, va). While I could see all my channels fine before the scan, after the scan they all disappeard and my signal strength is zero. Anyone ever had this happen? My coax is running through a splitter that goes to TiVo and the 3510a.

running firmware 1.92.

Forgive me for not knowing all the jargon here. I've read through 10 or more pages here and found the above answer about analog, but does anyone know if this works with digital cable? I've been looking at the 3510 as a solution/present for my brother. He has the HP f2105 LCD (DVI input) next to a 13" TV and laptop on his desk. We have digital cable with 80 regular and 8 HD channels. Will the 3105 pick up all 88 or just the 8 HD channels? I just want to get that old TV off his desk!

I've shopped them and found them as low as $159 on Amazon (hope they are not these refurb ones as they say brand new there).

Will this work for our cable?

Thanks!



Smash it in with a sledgehammer! :D

What in the name of hell is he doing with that crappy old CRT when he already got an LCD right next to it? ...Smash that darn thing clean off the desk!

What waste of office space!

I don't care if he loves it death, just tell him you're gonna hafta nail it RIGHT NOW!!!

Before you even THINK about buying this here tuner (which takes up about 14.2" X 10.4" worth of space BTW), you've gotta make some ROOM first.

Hurry up and get the sledgehammer!

No, the CRT is really cool. Its like color...and it has these black things that are just smaller than a hardcover book that go in this slot on the front that hold movies. Wow! ;)

It will be gone real soon!

For some reason my 3510a can't tune in HD anymore. I don't have an antenna so I can't see if OTA works. Basically the HD was all working fine and I decided to do a channel scan to see if Comcast had changed the HD channel lineup in my area (arlington, va). While I could see all my channels fine before the scan, after the scan they all disappeard and my signal strength is zero. Anyone ever had this happen? My coax is running through a splitter that goes to TiVo and the 3510a.

running firmware 1.92.

Did you accidently do an OTA (antenna) scan instead of a QAM (cable) scan?

I've been trying to get my LG 3510 to play DVDs over the DVI output into my new Sony HD TV's HDMI input but I keep getting an error message...about a problem with HDCP. The setup works for HDTV but not for the DVD player...is this a software problem? Sony checked out the TV and says it's the LG unit...

The HDCP scheme on this player sucks. It's been confirmed by many many many members here. Some devices work just fine, others do not. On my panny the HDCP handshake works about 25% of the time, the other 75% I have to cycle inputs and other crap to get it to work.

Definitely the player, I'm afraid.

No, but it's back now. This may have had something to do with comcast adding their ADS to the mix because now i no longer have INHD, INHD2, ESPNHD, Discovery HD Theater, or TNTHD. I'll have to complain.

Did you accidently do an OTA (antenna) scan instead of a QAM (cable) scan?

No, but it's back now. This may have had something to do with comcast adding their ADS to the mix because now i no longer have INHD, INHD2, ESPNHD, Discovery HD Theater, or TNTHD. I'll have to complain.

complain away - those are pay channels, which the 3510 was never designed to receive. sounds like you've been lucky - now Comcast finally wised up. Bad news is that there is NO way you will get those channels back. You will have to either rent the Comcast box, or get one of the Sony DVRs with the cablecard tuners, if you can find one.

anyone else have skipping issues when playing dvds??

the unit skips ahead in what seems like increments of 10 seconds or so. i am using dvi and doesnt matter what resolution i play it on

i have 1.92 and had purchased the floor model of a display at circuit city...

any info would be appreciated before my 30 day return is up

I've got the 3510 hooked up via component video. I've got it set to 480p. My aspect ratio options with this setup are LETTERBOX, CROPPED, and SQUEEZED. I assumed LETTERBOX would be the correct ratio, but this causes black bars to display on the top and bottom of the screen - and not just during DVDs, but on all menu screens as well. CROPPED cuts off part of the screen and zooms in and looks terrible. SQUEEZED actually looks right, widescreen content actually fills the screen and it does not appear to be zoomed in or stretched.

Is SQUEEZED the correct setup or is something wrong? The manual says that when it is set to 720p or 1080i that there is a WIDE ratio setting, but since I am connecting with component video those ratio settings all show up as 480p and show the bars again.

(BTW - since this would be the first thing I asked someone with this problem let me add, I am aware of the different aspect ratios of movies and that there is a difference between anamorphic and non-anamoprpic DVDs. However, flat films show the bars when they should not, and scope films have bigger bars than they should!)

I've got the 3510 hooked up via component video. I've got it set to 480p. My aspect ratio options with this setup are LETTERBOX, CROPPED, and SQUEEZED. I assumed LETTERBOX would be the correct ratio, but this causes black bars to display on the top and bottom of the screen - and not just during DVDs, but on all menu screens as well. CROPPED cuts off part of the screen and zooms in and looks terrible. SQUEEZED actually looks right, widescreen content actually fills the screen and it does not appear to be zoomed in or stretched.

Is SQUEEZED the correct setup or is something wrong? The manual says that when it is set to 720p or 1080i that there is a WIDE ratio setting, but since I am connecting with component video those ratio settings all show up as 480p and show the bars again.

(BTW - since this would be the first thing I asked someone with this problem let me add, I am aware of the different aspect ratios of movies and that there is a difference between anamorphic and non-anamoprpic DVDs. However, flat films show the bars when they should not, and scope films have bigger bars than they should!)

J3, Check your menu options to make sure that the 3510 is set up for the correct type of TV. I was originally using mine on a non-HD TV thru the S-video out jack. I noted similar problems after upgrading to an HD TV. After about 4 movies and wondering why the Olympics ski events were not filling the screen, it donned on me that I the 3510 was still set up for non-HD TV. After turning on progressive scan and setting higher resolution output, NBC filled the screen and DVD's also had a larger foot pring as well as better picture. Mine is set for letterbox. If you have an HDTV, set the resolution to 720p or 1080i to match your TV.

Brett

Thanks for the info Ed and grhowes. I suppose I should call my cable provider Tuesday and see what format or compatability they support.

For kicks I just stole his HP f2105 hooked it up to my pc with a USB TV tuner with less than great results. So if the 3510 works, I'll be picking up both for myself ;) I'm sure with the DVI connection it should be far better picture than running through my pc. Thanks again for the answers. Should I get it for him, I'll be sure and post my results here.

xpatrolx, I have Knology running thru mine and I get only the local HD channels. All other digital and HD channels are scrambled and analog channels are not available since the 3510 only has a digital tuner. You may see a similar set up w/ your provider.

Brett

J3, Check your menu options to make sure that the 3510 is set up for the correct type of TV. I was originally using mine on a non-HD TV thru the S-video out jack. I noted similar problems after upgrading to an HD TV. After about 4 movies and wondering why the Olympics ski events were not filling the screen, it donned on me that I the 3510 was still set up for non-HD TV. After turning on progressive scan and setting higher resolution output, NBC filled the screen and DVD's also had a larger foot pring as well as better picture. Mine is set for letterbox. If you have an HDTV, set the resolution to 720p or 1080i to match your TV.

Brett

That was my first thought too. But I could not find an option to select TV size. I also didn't see a "progressive scan" setting, other than the 1080i/720p/480p/480i button on the front panel. Have I missed a menu somewhere? BTW - the TV I have this one hooked to is a 42in widescreen 480p plasma.

That was my first thought too. But I could not find an option to select TV size. I also didn't see a "progressive scan" setting, other than the 1080i/720p/480p/480i button on the front panel. Have I missed a menu somewhere? BTW - the TV I have this one hooked to is a 42in widescreen 480p plasma.

Need to go into the DVD on-screen menu to get to the progressive scan setting. Make sure that you are in DVD mode so that the HD tuner menu does not pop up.

anyone else have skipping issues when playing dvds??

the unit skips ahead in what seems like increments of 10 seconds or so. i am using dvi and doesnt matter what resolution i play it on

i have 1.92 and had purchased the floor model of a display at circuit city...

any info would be appreciated before my 30 day return is up


anyone???

anyone???

YEP... it shouldn't do it with original DVD's (if it does return it for repair).

But it definitely is known to be "not DVD backup friendly" so any copies you might have made will probably not play back correctly.

Mine tends to work ok for the first half the the movie and then start skipping ahead as you mentioned.

anyone???

I also have issues with certain commercial DVD's. Most play fine but once and awhile a title will skip so much it's unwatchable, or even fail to load at all. I don't think I could get by with this unit as my only DVD player. I have an XBox 360 as a backup for discs that give me problems.

The tuner is excellent though, and that's the main thing I use it for.

I have the same dvd playback issue (skipping and freezing) with many dvds...even when there are no scratches on the disc. Has anyone figured out a fix for this? Is there any way we could upgrade the DVD drive itself?

i found this supposed upgrade for the 3510a listed at videohelp.com

http://www.videohelp.com/dvdhacks.php?select=LG+LST-3510A

i downloaded the file for the 5000, which it says will work with the 3510a but have not yet thought about burning it and playing it in my unit until i hear something that suggests that it may indeed do something as far as upgrades go.

there is just a file called kpjc19_1.dvd which is an image that is suppose to be burned.

. . . until i hear something that suggests that it may indeed do something as far as upgrades go.The web page suggests that it's only a hack for region-free.

Ed

anyone else have skipping issues when playing dvds??Long time lurker here ...

I've had this unit for about 14 months and yes, it is horrid with skipping on blemished disks. It also suffered a lot of audio dropouts, usually after returning to PLAY from a ffwd or rewind operation. Strangely, it has not done this in quite a while.

The long press for ffwd and rewind (short press for chapter skip) is another brain-dead idea. Especially given the poor sensitivity of the IR receiver. Basically, every once in a while you'll intend to fast-forward and instead will chapter skip. Then try to find your way back. Add the audio dropouts and you'll want to pitch this unit out the window.

Having said all that ...
I still don't know a unit that does it all like this one. QAM, upconverting DVD, DVI out (for which my TV's color decoder seems far better than on component). So, I live with the faults.

DVI out (for which my TV's color decoder seems far better than on component).Your TV may be applying the incorrect color decoding in component. HD uses one standard (something like 709) and SD component uses another (601). So if you are feeding 480i or 480p component into an input that is either not intelligent to figure out that it's not HD or the TV does not explicitly allow you to set the color decoding (sometimes called color matrix), it can mess up the colors.

Ed

Is SQUEEZED the correct setup or is something wrong? The manual says that when it is set to 720p or 1080i that there is a WIDE ratio setting, but since I am connecting with component video those ratio settings all show up as 480p and show the bars again.JThree,
In a word: YES.

I had this box about 6 months before I finally decided to play with a bunch of these options to fiugre out what was "correct". I'm pretty sure this is right:

If you have the output set to 480i or 480p:
Set the DVD player ratio to "SQUEEZED". A silly and not very clear name, but it works. As an aside, with non-anamorphic discs, I also then set the TV's ratio mode to "zoom".

If you have the output set to 720 (and presumably 1080):
For anamorphic, set the ratio to "WIDE"
For non-anamorphic, set the ratio to "ZOOM2".

Your TV may be applying the incorrect color decoding in component. Thanks Ed. My panny does have such an option for component 480p. I set it to SDTV. Which I assume is correct for DVD. When would HDTV be the right choice for 480p? Any examples of an HD 480p signal source?

Anyway, what I'm referring to is something else: seriously overdone RED. I guess it is what is called "red push" here? Playing with SDTV and HDTV for the color matrix doesn't make much difference in comparison.

Having said all that ...
I still don't know a unit that does it all like this one. QAM, upconverting DVD, DVI out (for which my TV's color decoder seems far better than on component). So, I live with the faults.

Are there currently absolutely no other combined OTA HDTV tuner & DVD upscaler?

I have been using this LG unit for the last 2.5 yrs with my Sony HD CRT XBR monitor. Today, I jumped on the Westy 42" bandwagon, and plan on sending my family the old display. Of course, they will need a tuner & DVD player like this. I was hoping there was a newer and even better integrated alternative.

Quick question for LST- 3510A owners....

Can anyone confirm the dimensions of the unit for me? The LG website says 16.9" x 3.5" x 12.8", but most of the websites that I've found selling it list it as 14.2" x 10.4" x 2.4".... Its possible the larger one is the shipping dimensions.

The reason it is so important is that I'm installing it in my boat and I am very limited in width/depth. I can make 14.2" x 10.4" work, but I can't swing 16.9" x 12.8" (without major cutting).....

I currently have my old Samsung SIRTS160 in the boat but it has to sit out on the counter as it won't fit in the stock DVD mounting position. Anyways, once you have HDTV at home its hard to go back to fuzzy analog. And our local news stations broadcast lots of weather info on the -2 and -3 DTV subchannels so its really helpful to have HDTV available on the boat.

Alternatively, if anyone knows where I could get a cheap Motorola HDT101 (a very compact HD tuner) that would also work, although I do like the idea of a combined DVD/DTV tuner.

Thanks

-Dave

i got 16.9 X 13.5 X 3

14.2" x 10.4" x 2.4".... sounds like the 4200A

Quick question for LST- 3510A owners....

Can anyone confirm the dimensions of the unit for me? The LG website says 16.9" x 3.5" x 12.8", but most of the websites that I've found selling it list it as 14.2" x 10.4" x 2.4".... Its possible the larger one is the shipping dimensions.

The reason it is so important is that I'm installing it in my boat and I am very limited in width/depth. I can make 14.2" x 10.4" work, but I can't swing 16.9" x 12.8" (without major cutting).....






I just measured ours and it looks to be 17" wide by 13.5" deep by 2.75" thick. :D

Be sure to reserve a few inches in yer AV cabinet fer the cables that will be sticking out in the back.

Speaking of cables, I've recently returned that crappy AR Master Series DVI cable, got my money back and now got a Sonicwave Series DVI cable from Impact Acoustics.

Right away I could notice that the black levels improved by at least 30% and now the primary colors are alot more stronger, just the way we wanted it.

The sharpness is still about the same, but everything else about the picture has definately improved... Everything just looks more brighter and more accurate.

Watching the World Cup on this tuner right now with this here DVI cable is SUPERB.

My friend Terence who is a proffessional satellite installer fer Direct TV and Dish Network even said that it looks mighty clear to him.

They are currently using the Belkin PureAV DVI cables in their line of work, and those snakes are already 5-layers thick with gold, silver and everything.

He got a whole box of 50 of those things in his van!

I suspect the increase in quality might be due to the nitrogen gas in the Sonicwave cable; which was the main ingredient that the AR cable lacked.

But the irony here is that the Sonicwave DVI cable costed 3x LESS than the AR Master Series DVI cable.

Not to mention that it was much more flexible and alot easier to plug in!

I also began to question the differences in overall build quality between the two brands.

I already had my suspicions last year when I did a component cable comparision and noticed that the Sonicwaves even beat out my old Monster THX Ultra 1000's.

The THX cables gave better color saturation, but the Sonicwaves produced deeper blacks and sharper details... The difference is really small (maybe like 5%) but it's still noticeable if ya GLARED at the screen fer a while.

The AudioQuest top-of-the-line stuff are about the same exact quality as Monster's M-series (ISF certified).

Basically, they make the picture so sharp that all the people and objects onscreen have this weird 'outlined' effect.

They also tend to grip the colors much more closely and keep it under control so that you won't ever have any problems with color-bleeding.

Now, THOSE cables would be really great but they're just HELLA expensive fer this type of application!

Right away I could notice that the black levels improved by at least 30% and now the primary colors are alot more stronger, just the way we wanted it.WOW. I guess your digital bits went from 0's and 1's to 0's and 1.1's! No wait, with the 30 % improvement it must be 0's and 1.3's. :rolleyes:

Ed

WOW. I guess your digital bits went from 0's and 1's to 0's and 1.1's! No wait, with the 30 % improvement it must be 0's and 1.3's. :rolleyes:

EdNo..... he said the blacks improved by 30%, not the whites...

Let's see...
30% of 0 (presumably black is zero) is ... (using trusty calculator) equal to 0.

So... 0 (original not-so-black zero) minus 0 (thirty percent better than black) = 0

Yup... I see how the new cable made all the difference... ;)

Hey guys, thanks fer the binary lesson! :D

Previously, I can see what appeared to be like a faded whitish or grayish black on the side bars of the HD channels... It just looked kinda AWRY.

Now with the Sonicwave DVI cable plugged in, them side bars are all PITCH-BLACK.

Nobody messed with the picture settings during the cable swap.

What DVD formats does the system support? The documentation on mentions DVD-Video, but a number of places indicates DVD+R and DVD-R. I tried several DVD+R discs and it simply says no disc. Do I have to do something or can I do something to get it to recognize DVD+R discs? :confused:

What DVD formats does the system support? The documentation on mentions DVD-Video, but a number of places indicates DVD+R and DVD-R. I tried several DVD+R discs and it simply says no disc. Do I have to do something or can I do something to get it to recognize DVD+R discs? :confused:

sorry to hear that - mine has no problem reading either format. Back when I first got a burner, I used to care, but soon discovered that my Denon didn't care (even tho the manual said it did.) As for the LG, my manual states that it won't play any backups - but mine does, in +r and -r. Have not tried RWs yet - no idea what it will do with them.

Mine is running 1.93 firmware. After some more testing, I find that it plays some DVD+R's that I've made, but not all and freezes up on some that it plays after awhile. Perhaps it is finicky on brand, since not all my DVD+R's are the same brand. They are all recorded at 2.4X. :confused:

Since it is not "supposed" to play any, you may be right on the brand. For a while, I was having trouble (with my Denon.) I tried slower, tried different brands. Finally decided to let my burner burn, with no other heavy activity - no downloads, photo-editing, etc. Even tho I'm running a P4 with lots of memory and hd, that seemed to do the trick. All I can suggest is burn one fresh, nothing else going on, see if that works.

I think I do have an older firmware version - I forget. This does seem to be one model where the firmware updates seem to remove and disable features, instead of fixing or adding. :(

There are other factors at play here. It won't play the audio correctly on a DVD I recorded with a 32Khz audio (seems to want 48kHz). I copied a video from a DVD+R disc it couldn't read and put the files on another DVD+R disc burned on a different machine with Nero 6 instead of Roxio EzCDCreator and a different DVD burner and it could read the disc. I had some skips on some of the chapters, but at least the machine didn't reject the disc. I've been able to read both DVD-R and DVD+R discs but I haven't discovered the right combination of parameters for it to "like" the discs. It would be nice if someone has discovered what it will accept. :confused:

now you are dealing with dvd backup, etc. at the risk of being banned, I only use Nero - Roxio has lots of issues. you can go to sites, and learn of them, but I haven't had luck with roxio for years. Converted to Nero, once I got used to the awful interface, never looked back.

why do you want it to recognize 32khz audio - isn't that non-standard? I doubt if my cd player will play that either. But it does look like you need to surf the burning forums.

Indeed, I found that when I switched to Nero, regardless of the hardware, the machine recognizes the DVD whether it is +R, -R, or +RW. I'll just have to remaster some of my older DVDs. I don't know where the 32kHz audio came from, but it was fixable. My other two DVD players had no trouble with it, but I understand 48kHz is standard. :)

no problem - my fault. .Been using Nero so long, just figured everyone did. Maybe that is part of why I don't have all of the problems others do - who knows? Once again, a perfect example of what happens when one assumes anything. ;)

no problem - my fault. .Been using Nero so long, just figured everyone did. Maybe that is part of why I don't have all of the problems others do - who knows? Once again, a perfect example of what happens when one assumes anything. ;)


I've used Nero for backup DVDs and TV to DVD and the LG has problems with almost all of the discs I've made, both single layer and dual layer. Everything plays perfectly on the HTPC of course...so that's what I use.

The LG is used primarily for OTA HDTV now, via component.

I forgot what Firmware I am running, but it is a fairly late release.

Out of all my DVD players, the only reliable player I have is my cheap drive in my computer...go figure. And the PQ is superior as well.

Why fight it? :D

Why fight it? :D



That's EXACTLY what I wanted to hear! :D

None of our Best Motoring DVDs (region 1) are working perfectly on this here contraption.

They either freeze, skip or just go straight right on back to the DVD menu whenever you try to play it.

VCDs do work flawlessly however, and the 1080i upconversion does produce a half-assed near-DVD picture quality that might fool some idiots.

Go figure.

I did find that making the .vob files with Nero gave me problems, but when I use TmpgencDVD to create the .vob files and Nero to burn, the videos seem to work perfectly. Other combinations cause freezing and skipping or "no disc". I have other DVD players that play almost anything thrown at them (like most PC DVD players). The LG is finicky, and seems to require very carefully prepared videos but the display (through DVI) is nice.

Bump. :D

Is this dvd upscaler/atsc/qam receiver still considered a quality product compared to other boxes as it is about two or three years old now.
Also, will I need to upgrade to "digital" cable package from Comcast or can I just keep their basic (I'm assuming non-digital) package? If I need to get their digital cable package, do I still need to rent the Comcast HDTV box or will I make do with their regular digital box? Would I just hook this box after the Comcast box or replace the Comcast box with this one. I'd like to see the HDTV locals as well as their SD channels like the Sci-Fi channel =)
Thanks!

While it is indeed a "quality" product, it won't do what you are asking - the only channels it will decode are UNENCRYPTED digital stations. Unless your cable company is asleep, you will at best get the local HD stations with the 3510. Nothing more. It will not pickup digital cable; it won't even pick up normal, old-school NSTC analog cable. You can get your local HD channels ota, or via qam if it isn't encrypted. That's it. It will also do a nice job of upconverting dvds. But if you want the Comcast digital cable package, and/or their hd package, you will need their box. Sorry.

Vendors say, quantities are gittin' scarce and prices are bein' jacked-up. :D

Y'all bettar git yers NOW befer they all run out!

Picked one of these up off of Ebay recently... it has handled every disk I've thrown at it (including back-ups). The DVD pic looks great over my Panny 47" (using the DVI interface, 1080i in), and it pulls in everything that my Samsung SIR-T451 did on the QAM feed and more (here in NE Ohio TWC runs the locals and a few HD movie channels unencrypted).

Picked one of these up off of Ebay recently... it has handled every disk I've thrown at it (including back-ups). The DVD pic looks great over my Panny 47" (using the DVI interface, 1080i in), and it pulls in everything that my Samsung SIR-T451 did on the QAM feed and more (here in NE Ohio TWC runs the locals and a few HD movie channels unencrypted).

Tim, are your back ups on DVD-R or -RW and what software did you use for the copy? I tried a couple of DVD-R back ups from a co-worker and all they did was skip to the beginning of several different chapters and then the end. So I assumed the 3510 would not play DVD-Rs. Was hoping to back up my collection and then play them at 720p instead of the originals at 480p.

Brett

Tim, are your back ups on DVD-R or -RW and what software did you use for the copy? I tried a couple of DVD-R back ups from a co-worker and all they did was skip to the beginning of several different chapters and then the end. So I assumed the 3510 would not play DVD-Rs. Was hoping to back up my collection and then play them at 720p instead of the originals at 480p.

Brett

Brett,

I have backups on DVD-R and DVD+R; I haven't tried an RW (+ or -) yet. Some backups were burned with Roxio (from an image), others with Nero (again, from an image). I was surprised, because I'd read that it was supposed to be finicky about discs and I was really going to use it just as a tuner but so far it seems to be a very nice DVD player (the pic is much better than the 480p coming from my Sony unit).

Hey Grayta, I think you bought that new LG LST 3510A from me on ebay, thanks. And even better to know that it is working better than you expected for the tuning and the dvd. Thanks again and keep enjoying the HD and DVD.

Hey Grayta, I think you bought that new LG LST 3510A from me on ebay, thanks. And even better to know that it is working better than you expected for the tuning and the dvd. Thanks again and keep enjoying the HD and DVD.

Yep, and thanks for getting that out to me so quickly!

I bought one a couple of years ago when BestBuy had 'em for $399... took it back 'cause the SIR-T451 I purchased at the same time did just as good a job pulling in QAM signals for $150 less. However, over the last year the increasingly poor performance of the SIR's QAM tuner combined with it's brutally clunky interface had me wanting to ditch it... and then along came your Ebay auction. :D

Anyway, I'm happy enough with the DVD performace of the 3510a that I don't feel compelled to run out and buy a HD-DVD or Blu-Ray player... for now. LOL :)

Yes, and on top of that you guys should really try that all-region hack disc that some nice person inhere posted a link to earlier in the thread. :D

Some of my pirated DVDs are running more smoothly now that I've done that.

No more of that skipping or jumping straight to the menus anymore.

Maybe y'all should just download it, burnit 'n boot it up... It's FREE anyways.

Since this tv is a lil old, how is the DVD player on it. Can it compare to today's progressive scan dvd players? thanks

Hello, I've lurked around this thread for about 4 months+. I bought a refurbished box from geeks.com back then. This is my first post in this thread.

The firmware version of my box is 1.91, Build Tuesday December 30, 2003 16:09:56

I understand there are lot newer firmware versions, latest one being 1.93, I think. I have no interest in wanting to upgrade the firmware because the complete functionality I want works perfectly fine with version 1.91. I wanted to document various quirks about this software, and hopefully they'll be of some use to someone.

First of all, as far as DVD usage is concerned I have absolutely no problem. I use the DVI out. I do not use the component outputs, and have no interest in using them in the future. So, I have no idea whether upconverting works correctly with component output. And I do not care to experiment with it to find out. When I set the format to one of 720p or 1080i, upconversion works perfectly fine for me with DVI out. That's as much I'll say about DVD operation, because most of my documented experiences are about the ATSC/QAM tuner.

It is indeed true that there is bug in 1.91 firmware about a channel switch to OTA 2-1, 2-2 etc. not working. By doing channel up or down, you can tune to those channels. But when 2-1 is directly pressed on the remote in OTA mode, the box completely ignores it. However, there is a very easy workaround for this problem!!! I haven't seen anyone document it in this thread, so here goes. If you have an OTA channel in your area which maps to PSIP numbers like 2-1, you can tune to it not by pressing 2, but the actual frequency assignment (UHF or VHF as applicable) for that channel.

You can find the frequency assignment for channels in your area by going to antennaweb.org, entering your local zipcode information, under the "Frequency Assignment" column. For example, in my area channel KTVU 2-1 is really just a PSIP designation for UHF frequency 56. In OTA mode, when I press 56 on my remote control instead of 2, voila!! It takes me to 2-1. Needless to say, the firmware bug doesn't bother me at all.

My next note is about the conception that channel lists are completely lost when switching from OTA to QAM. This is not entirely true. There is a way to never lose OTA channel information even when switching from OTA to QAM or vice versa. Unfortunately, there is no way to preserve QAM channel lists that way. Here is my documentation of step-by-step procedure for how to always preserve OTA channel list.


First, set the A/B switch to cable. From Menu->Ez-Scan do a complete channel scan in CADTV mode choosing appropriate frequency type for your area (STD, HRC, IRC etc.).
Go to Menu->Channel Edit to get a basic calibration for major channel numbers in your area, ignoring the specific subchannels. The channel table for QAM (or CADTV) mode goes from 1-135. The numbers in bold are major channel numbers (or QAM frequency designations) that the scan has found. Note down this list on a piece of paper. For example, in my area the list goes like 29, 78, 79, 80,......117,118,120,121,122. (I've documented my complete channel list elsewhere. http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8148023&&#post8148023 )
Go to antennaweb.org for your area, and print out the complete channel list for your area. This should include PSIP designations as well as frequency assignments. Ensure that your antenna has been configured for best reception, which may be an iterative and lengthy process by itself. (A full OTA/DTV scan may be needed to ensure antenna setup.) Set the A/B switch to OTA. From Menu->Ez-Scan, choose the OTA (DTV) mode. However, do NOT go through the channel scan at all. As soon as it starts, stop the scan. Go to Menu->Channel List. The OTA/DTV channel table goes from 2-69. You should note that the complete table is blank, with not a single channel in bold. Manually go through every single frequency assignment from the antennaweb.org table, using those as the channel numbers in DTV table. For example, in my area the frequency assignments are like 56, 57, 29, 24, 30 etc. mapping to 2-1, 4-1, 5-1, 7-1, 9-1 etc. So, I went to channel numbers 56, 57, 29, 24, 30 etc. in the DTV channel table. Ensure that the little picture window shows there is good antenna reception for each of these frequencies. The PSIP designation will also be noted at the top of the window when reception is good. For example, when I go to channel 56 in the table, there is picture in the little window, and channel 2-1 is detected immediately at the top of the window. Do a "Channel Add" for every single channel number (frequency assignment) with good reception. This will build the OTA channel table, and hopefully you will never need to rebuild it.
Now set the A/B switch to cable/QAM. Go to Menu->Ez-Scan, choose the CADTV/QAM mode, appropriate frequency for your area (STD/HRC/IRC). DO NOT GO THROUGH THE CHANNEL SCAN. As soon as the scan starts, immediately exit out of it. Go to Menu->Channel Edit. You'll notice again the CADTV/QAM channel table from 1-135, but this table should not be empty. It should still remember all the entries you had added in OTA/DTV mode, with the antennaweb frequency assignments in bold. Now, go thorugh the calibration list you had built in the first step for major QAM channel numbers. Hopefully, there should be no clashes between the OTA frequency assignments and QAM master channel numbers. OTA frequency numbers don't go beyond 69, and typically cable companies send QAM in the clear at channel numbers above 69. In my area, there is only 1 single QAM channel number 29, which also clashes with OTA frequency designation 29, used for PSIP 5-1. Luckily, Comcast uses this number only for all community news programming for my local area and I don't particularly care to receive it through this tuner. If in your case, your cable company unfortunately uses many QAM channel numbers that clash with local OTA frequency assignments, this entire procedure won't work for you. Bail out of this, and go back to whatever you were doing before reading my post. If you're lucky without significant clashes, go to every major channel number in your calibrarion list. Cable reception must be there, ensured by the little picture window at the top. Manually do a "Channel Add" for each major channel number. Now you've built a master aggregate list of both OTA and QAM modes.
Next time you want to switch to OTA mode, simply choose DTV from Menu->Ez-scan, choose DTV and immediately stop without going through any scan. Your OTA channel list should be all ready to use from previous list. All the cable/QAM channel list beyond channel 69 will be lost however. I have found no way to preserve this. This unfortunatlely is a deficiency of LG firmware. I wished it could have at least held that information in memory, even if the display table only went up to 69. Anyway, that's the best you can get. Next time you want to switch from OTA to cable, simply go through the same procedure in previous step, manually adding all QAM major channel numbers. By doing this, you will never lose your OTA channel list, but will need to manually keep building cable channel list.
This procedure is well and good as long as your cable company doesn't keep changing major channel numbers too often for QAM in the clear, and there are no frequent changes to frequency assignments for OTA in your local area. The latter should be very rare. Don't worry about any changes to subchannel numbers, both OTA or QAM. As long as the major channel number change, this box is very good with detecting changes to subchannel numbers dynamically.


There you go. There is a bunch of information after my experiments and I hope others will find it useful.

Since this tv is a lil old, how is the DVD player on it. Can it compare to today's progressive scan dvd players? thanks



Listen up here, this is NOT a TV nor is it a car! :D

It is an upconverting progressive scan DVD player with an intergrated HDTV tuner that lets you receive free over-the-air HD channels fer yer viewing pleasure.

Or, if you meant that yer TV is a bit outdated, you can still hook this contraption up to yer dusty old CRT via S-video, composite video, or even thru RF coaxial with an RF modulator... It shure won't be Hi-def, but at least it'll still work!

While the DVD drive in this here contraption ain't the best on the market, it more than makes up fer it with it's all-region player capability which you can unlock with a downloaded hack disc.

It will play DVDs, VCDs, HDCDs, MP3 discs, WMA discs, picture CDs, audio CDs, pirates, bootlegs, backups, and just about ANYTHING you could throw on it!

My best advice to YOU would be to git one RIGHT NOW befer it's all gone!

It's that simple!

I can sorta confirm that progressive scanning works fine here on this here contraption with the component outputs.

You CAN git 1080i, 720p, or 480p resolutions outta component; just keep mashin' that "DISPLAY FORMAT" button real good wit them fat greasy fingers of yers!

With component, the colors are slightly bolder.

With DVI, everything looks slightly sharper.

Both are OK fer Hi-def viewing in my opinion; no qualms here OR there.

BTW, the DTS passthru does indeed work... There IS an audible difference.

This might be good news fer some of you who just have a regular TV with 2 stereo speakers (we have 4) and no 5.1 speaker system whatsoever.

If you have DTS-encoded DVDs, it's best to combine DTS with the 3D Surround feature that this here contraption offers.

To activate 3D Surround, just press "DISPLAY" with one fat greasy thumb on the remote and turn it on from the menu that pops up on the left side of yer screen. It does not come on by default, you'll have to manually activate it whenever you put in a new DVD.

Having both DTS and 3D Surround on at the same time is AWESOME!

While it's still not true surround sound by any means, but it still sounds pretty good.

We tend to git the most benefits out of it usually when we're watchin' live concert DVDs.

The whole damn room just comes alive with this EAR-DEAFENING loudness.

But if you use it on non-DTS DVDs, you'll git this weird echoing effect instead! :eek:

Sorry fer bein' a heckler, but I'm just tellin' it like it is.

I wish to hear MORE jargon about this here contraption from those of you inhere who haven't said a word yet, are planning to buy, curious about the features, or concerned about the price.



At any rate, just keep TALKIN'! :D

This summary is great! Can you also list the steps to check Firmware version?

Anyone else tried the 5000.zip region-hack? Is it improving DVD-R/+R playback as some have reported in this thread? Any negative effect of this hack that we need to be aware of? Thanks.

Can you also list the steps to check Firmware version?

See this:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=502503

Also, what exactly is a "fat greasy thrumb"?

Oh, that's just exactly how my thumb feels after havin' too much fish 'n chips. :D

BTW, how is reception in yer area?

Me 'n everybody else I know 'round here in the San Francisco area can only git about 25 DTV channels wit this contraption.

We're all usin' pretty much the same antennas 'n wires.

Hell, you can just check if you've got the old version or not by punchin' in 2-1 on the remote 'n seein' if it responds or not.

Last box we slashed open had a build date of April 2005.

We didn't check to see what version it was tho, so I ain't too shure.

It was prolly an older version since the box looked pretty beat-up.

Spent about three hundred bucks on cables 'n things cuz the person we hooked it up fer had an older TV with special needs.

The installation process took over 2 hours!

BTW, how is reception in yer area?

Me 'n everybody else I know 'round here in the San Francisco area can only git about 25 DTV channels wit this contraption.

If DTV, you mean OTA with antenna, the reception is fantastic. I get every single digital channel listed by antennaweb.org here in the Bay Area in the yellow and dark green region. Don't get (and don't care to get) anything in the light green, blue or violet region.

If you mean QAM with cable instead, this is what I posted about it (for Foster City on the Peninsula) in my previous post:

(I've documented my complete channel list elsewhere. http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8148023&&#post8148023)

ok you 3510a owners, i just sold a few new 3510a units on avs and ebay and 1 guy complained he is getting blue smurf color on his display.

i don't have his display or connection info yet, waitng on his response to advice I emailed him to try simple things to fix it.

IF he is using component cables i told him to double and triple check the cable connections and make sure it is red to red, green to green, and blue to blue.

IF he did get this mixed up would that cause his blue tint coming on his display??

ok you 3510a owners, i just sold a few new 3510a units on avs and ebay and 1 guy complained he is getting blue smurf color on his display.

i don't have his display or connection info yet, waitng on his response to advice I emailed him to try simple things to fix it.

IF he is using component cables i told him to double and triple check the cable connections and make sure it is red to red, green to green, and blue to blue.

IF he did get this mixed up would that cause his blue tint coming on his display??



Yes sir, it certainly does. :D

I suppose he is seein' people with wierd skin hues on his screen, is that raight?

Either they look smurf blue or green with envy.

It can also happen if one or more of the component input jacks on his TV went awry.

Ask him to test his TV with a different video device and perhaps a different set of component cables.

Nobody I knewd ever had such a problem with the LST-3510A.

BTW, thanks fer providing the Ebay community with these wonderful contraptions.

hey it was no problem, my pleasure :)$$

even if you did buy yours from the other guy selling them, lol.

Yeah, numbers are gittin' scarce and prices are goin' up as we speak. :D

I've just had to order the 5th one this week!

People keep askin' me to install it fer them at their home or office.

I think it's safe to say that the demand fer this contraption IS pretty high right now.

It appears that the LST-3510A may be one of the most sensible Hi-def devices you can buy this year.

And it shure is good to know that vendors like you are still pushin' NEW units around on Ebay 'n perhaps a few other places.

Anybody who has the slightest clue as to what this here device can do fer them should consider gittin' one.

Anyone else tried the 5000.zip region-hack? Is it improving DVD-R/+R playback as some have reported in this thread? Any negative effect of this hack that we need to be aware of? Thanks.



Lemme see here... :D

Well, I think it's most important to know how to tell when luck is crappin' outta yer pants.

With that bein' said, I can sorta confirm that all of my pirated bootleg DVDs (if ya mean by DVD-Rs) are workin' fine after I done the region hack correctly.

I bought 'em all from street hawkers who sell their movies that come in real cheap-lookin' packaging with phony-lookin' logos, so I can almost GUARANTEE that they're back-ups.

The majority of them are region-3 discs, but they all work fine.

The only discs that have been botherin' me are the Best Motoring DVDs which I usually buy from my local legitimate video store.

They are region-2, and most of them either skip or don't work at all.

Most times, they stop playin' after 15-20 minutes and go straight back to the menu screen.

We have even thought about just settling fer the VCD versions of this monthly video magazine instead since my friend loves watching it so much; regardless of the half-arsed picture quality, but according to the video store I heard that the company has already stopped production of their VCDs this summer.

I suspected that it was prolly a 'bad burn'.

Bein' the skeptics that we are, we then decided to hack 2 more different DVD players (Koss and Magnavox) into all-region players and tried gittin' the Best Motoring DVDs to work on them but then the SAME DAMN THING happened all over again! :eek:

But when I brought the DVDs back to the video store and they tried 'em on their Shinco all-region DVD player, all the discs worked fine!

Go figure!

Any way of updating Firmware via Serial Port as a DIY?

Any way of updating Firmware via Serial Port as a DIY?

I think this question was raised before, and someone said LG told him you have to send the unit back to LG to update firmware. If that's changed, somebody will post the information.

DSSTurbo,

I get a blueish screen (more than just a tint) when I hook up the 3510's DVI output to an HDMI input on my projector using a DVI-to-HDMI converter. Probably not what's happening to your user, but I thought I'd mention it.

Ryan

how does the LG 3100A QAM/ATSC tuner compare to the 3510A, 3410A, 4200A, 4600A?

I think the 3510a is the onnly one with a dvd player?

how does the LG 3100A QAM/ATSC tuner compare to the 3510A, 3410A, 4200A, 4600A?I don't know about the 4600a or the 3200a, but the 3510a and the 3410a have the 3rd generation chip, whereas the 4200a has the 4th, which is generally improved. But being as LG tuners are as good as they are, I'm sure the 3rd is no slouch either. The 4th is probably a bit more sensitive and better at dealing with multipath.

I don't know about the 4600a or the 3200a, but the 3510a and the 3410a have the 3rd generation chip, whereas the 4200a has the 4th, which is generally improved.
Can you provide a link that states the 3510A uses the third generation chip?

DSSTurbo,

I get a blueish screen (more than just a tint) when I hook up the 3510's DVI output to an HDMI input on my projector using a DVI-to-HDMI converter. Probably not what's happening to your user, but I thought I'd mention it.

Ryan
hey ryan, thanks for the help.

the guy had been sick and finally emailed me today and said he got some different cables from monoprice and worked fine. he never even told me if they were component or using dvi. anyway he bought two of the LG from me and he is happy camper now.

I know MOST if not all of the quirks with this here contraption, so y'all had bettar listen to me when I talk. :D

Fer those of you who are still havin' trouble with pirate/bootleg/backups on the DVD player; I think I've figured out the trick...

Yes, it DOES work but you'll hafta set it to S-VIDEO mode at 480i.

Just make shure that yer S-video cable is THX certified.

Not because it is a requirement, but because they happen to be on sale right now at Radio Shack fer an incredibly low price!

If you don't believe me, you can compare it with their own standard Radio Shack brand and you will find out that the THX certified ones are actually even cheaper.

After a whole month of confusion, we were finally able to watch the July edition of Best Motoring on DVD. (region 2)

It showcased an all-out battle between the Lamborghini Gallardo, the NXS-R, and few other AWD cars including the Porsche Carrera 4 and the new Lancer Evo.

We got so damn excited that we jacked up the volume so loud until the engine sounds BLARED out into the street!

In the end, the Lamborghini won, but the NSX had the best lap time of 1 minute 'n 6 seconds.

No problems here.

Just make shure that yer S-video cable is THX certified.

Not because it is a requirement, but because they happen to be on sale right now at Radio Shack fer an incredibly low price!

If you don't believe me, you can compare it with their own standard Radio Shack brand and you will find out that the THX certified ones are actually even cheaper.


I spent a bunch of money on various high-end Monster cables at several of the Radio shacks that went out of business back in July. My 3510a put out more color saturation (component) and produced louder audio (optical).

Can you have multiple outputs connected or do you have unplug one to watch the other? If I have to watch in 480i then not much of a reason to back up my DVD's. I was hoping to be able to watch the backups at 720p. Darn.

brett

Yeah, you can have ALL them output jacks connected if ya want. :D

You can switch between which type of connection ya wanna watch by mashin' that there "DISPLAY MODE" button on the front of the unit.

Then wait 5 seconds and mash it again to select whether ya want progressive scan or interlaced mode.

After that, leave it alone fer another 5 seconds and the desired display mode will kick in.

But just keep in mind these 3 things:

S-video will most prolly over-ride composite video if ya plug in both.

If yer TV is not hi-def, ya prolly won't get no progressive scan resolutions outta component cables.

Some VCDs will not play unless ya switch the PBC off.

We haven't had much luck with our Best Motoring DVDs until I figured out that the skipping/freezing problems only occured when we had it set to anything above 480i.

It's just only the Best Motoring DVDs that gives us this problem, all of our other DVDs (import or not) will work fine with 1080i/720p/480p.

I talked to my video store where I buy them and they said that the publisher has just made the transition from VCDs to DVD recently, so their cheap media might not be up to the hi-end standards of today's DVD players.

The irony was that the in-store DVD player that they were using is like 10 years old and the Best Motoring DVDs work FINE on it.

It's and older Shinco model, and it only has S-video output.

Because of this quirk, we had to settle fer S-video whenever we watched Best Motoring in my friend's office where they sell car performance parts.

They're CRAZY about racin' so they ABSOLUTELY HAFTA watch it!

When watching any other DVDs, or watching DTV with the built-in tuner, we switch back to DVI.

The THX certified cables are a fine addition fer this here contraption.

Nuthin' like EYE-GOUGING colors 'n EAR-PIERCING noises when watching yer favorite show!

If you live near a Radio Shack that is havin' a sale or goin' outta business, go there and see if their prices on the THX lineup are heavily discounted.

A friend gave us some recorded TV episodes to watch and the recorded material worked flawlessly. Called him up and he recorded the tv signal with a Pioneer DVD recorder on Sony DVD-RW media. That is the only recorded DVD that has worked on my unit.

Does this DVD player has fast forward? It only skip the chapters when I hit fast forward. Just can't believe that they will make any DVD player without fast forward.

Does this DVD player has fast forward? It only skip the chapters when I hit fast forward. Just can't believe that they will make any DVD player without fast forward.The FF and the skip buttons are the same. Push it once and it skips. Push and *HOLD* will FF.

I hate that, but I don't use that remote. I use another learning remote and I programmed separate buttons to FF and skip.

Ed

Does this DVD player has fast forward? It only skip the chapters when I hit fast forward. Just can't believe that they will make any DVD player without fast forward.

Yes, press and hold the fast forward key for a couple of seconds. (it takes a little getting used to-using one key for both chapter advance and fast forward)

For more details, see pg. 45 in the owners manual.

As mentioned the >> and << keys are dual-function. If pressed and released fast they are chapter skip buttons. If held down for a few seconds they function as fast-forward and fast-reverse functions. Repeat the hold down for a few seconds to select the next fast speed, there are several speeds available. I agree they should have used separate buttons for the chapter skip since its easy to release the button too soon and skip a whole chapter when just FF was desired.

i got 16.9 X 13.5 X 3

14.2" x 10.4" x 2.4".... sounds like the 4200A
if you got a 4200A you got the only one i know about.

[QUOTE=huskyboy]how does the LG 3100A QAM/ATSC tuner compare to the 3510A, 3410A, 4200A, 4600At imho the3510a is one of the best tuners ive ever had. i live in harford county which is approx 30 miles from balt. the antenna has no preamp i generally get all of balt something of dc and if the weather is right delmarva also.

I am dissappointed in the 3510 reception qualities. I have a Zenith HD420, HDTV Wonder, this LG 3510 . My Pro Brand is 100% better but not better enough. Multipath is master here.

The FF and the skip buttons are the same. Push it once and it skips. Push and *HOLD* will FF.

I hate that, but I don't use that remote. I use another learning remote and I programmed separate buttons to FF and skip.

Ed

I have a Harmony 880, but still need to hold fast forward a few seconds to do the fast forwarding, and it seems like I can only do 2x...

if you got a 4200A you got the only one i know about.
LOL, yeah, i HAD a 4200a but then my DVD died and so i sold the 4200a and bought the 3510a. (the OTA/QAM reception seems the same and i like the upconverting DVD capability of the 3510a) I had earlier bought a 3510a, then sold it to buy the 4200a so i ended up coming full circle. And i recently bought a new TV with a built-in OTA so i am in the process of "upgrading" to a HD-A1 for DVD's and selling the 3510a once again. Are we having fun yet?

Are we having fun yet?



Of coarse we are!!! :D



BUMP!!!

Hi All,

I'm considering buying the LG LST-3510A and have been tryign to read up on it as much as possible on the forum.

I'm converned about the CSS digital rights management (b.s.) when trying to upconvert to higher output (720p, 1080i, etc.) over component.

I have a SHARP XR10x that I am planing on pairing this thing with, and the Sharp doesn't have HDMI or DVI connections. It only has RGB/Component, RCA, S-Video, and VGA inputs.

I don't think CSS is triggered over VGA, but it doesn't appear that the 3510A has VGA out connections. My question is, if I used the component outpout (OR the DVI output) and then used a componant/vga or DVI/vga adapter to connect to the VGA in on my projector, would that defeat the digital rights managment - or would I be stuck not being able to upconvert from 480p?

Is there a firmware version that I can download that will get around this? I read that some earlier production units were able to connect over component and upconvert no problem.

Thanks in advance.

Hi All,

I'm considering buying the LG LST-3510A and have been tryign to read up on it as much as possible on the forum.

I'm converned about the CSS digital rights management (b.s.) when trying to upconvert to higher output (720p, 1080i, etc.) over component.

I have a SHARP XR10x that I am planing on pairing this thing with, and the Sharp doesn't have HDMI or DVI connections. It only has RGB/Component, RCA, S-Video, and VGA inputs.

I don't think CSS is triggered over VGA, but it doesn't appear that the 3510A has VGA out connections. My question is, if I used the component outpout (OR the DVI output) and then used a componant/vga or DVI/vga adapter to connect to the VGA in on my projector, would that defeat the digital rights managment - or would I be stuck not being able to upconvert from 480p?

Is there a firmware version that I can download that will get around this? I read that some earlier production units were able to connect over component and upconvert no problem.

Thanks in advance.
DVI is digital and VGA is analog and so I don't think that there are any "simple" converters. As far as the component to vga - that's a transcoder - but you won't get the upconversion on the componet out on any version that you'll buy today. There is no old firmware that you can install to allow component upconversion.

Ed

Hi Ed,

Thanks for the response - the info is much appreciated.

Here is a listing of the connections available on the projector:

RGB component input (2), composite video input (RCA), S-Video input, PC/component stereo audio input, 3.5mm mini-jack audio input, video audio input (RCA), RGB loop-through (15-pin HD), stereo variable audio line output (3.5mm mini-jack), RS-232C port

I'm no familiar with the RGB loop-through (15-pin HD). Can that be usefull at all for the purpose of getting around the digital rights managment on upconversion?

Thanks again to any and all who reply.

DVI is digital and VGA is analog and so I don't think that there are any "simple" converters. As far as the component to vga - that's a transcoder - but you won't get the upconversion on the componet out on any version that you'll buy today. There is no old firmware that you can install to allow component upconversion.

Ed

Hi Ed,

Thanks for the response - the info is much appreciated.

Here is a listing of the connections available on the projector:

RGB component input (2), composite video input (RCA), S-Video input, PC/component stereo audio input, 3.5mm mini-jack audio input, video audio input (RCA), RGB loop-through (15-pin HD), stereo variable audio line output (3.5mm mini-jack), RS-232C port

I'm no familiar with the RGB loop-through (15-pin HD). Can that be usefull at all for the purpose of getting around the digital rights managment on upconversion?

Thanks again to any and all who reply.

Big D, Won't the projector upconvert to 720P to match its native resolution? If I understand all the technologies, the DLP's convert the incoming signal to its native resolution making it a moot point on whether you can upconvert DVD's. I have my 3510 set to 720p so that the TV does not have to do any further conversions, albeit commercial DVD's are at 480p.

Brett

There is a work around to get the 3510 to upconvert DVDs, although it may be a bit painful to implement.

Unplug the power to the 3510, plug it back in, and then insert your DVD and play as ususal. If you switch to tuner and then back to DVD, it will no longer upconvert. You will have to unplug the power once again. I have my 3510 powered through the switched 120V jack on the back of my reciever so I simply need to put the receiver in stanby and then turn it back on to get the upcoversion back.

Good Luck,

Darrell

Okay strange problem.

Just bought the movie "Click." I am trying to play this back in my 3510A. It gets through the first two chapters fine and then freezes on the first frame of the 3rd chapter. If I can coax it to play the third chapter, it freezes at the beginning of the 4th. My display always shows Chapter 1 even if it is chapter 21, 3, 7, 11, 2, 5, etc.

I am thinking that it is the player as I have tried the disc in both a Panasonic (circa 2003) and a Sony (circa 2004) DVD player with no problems at all. The problem only occurs in the LG unit (which is the only one hooked up to my projector).

Any ideas? Short of a firmware upgrade?

Big D, :D

You can upconvert with component video inputs as long as yer display device is progressive scan/HD-ready and supports at least 1080i.

You can even upconvert with composite and S-video inputs, but ya juss won't see the quality.

If yer talkin' about BNC, then make shure ya git all the right cables 'n adapters.

Okay strange problem.

Just bought the movie "Click." I am trying to play this back in my 3510A. It gets through the first two chapters fine and then freezes on the first frame of the 3rd chapter. If I can coax it to play the third chapter, it freezes at the beginning of the 4th. My display always shows Chapter 1 even if it is chapter 21, 3, 7, 11, 2, 5, etc.

I am thinking that it is the player as I have tried the disc in both a Panasonic (circa 2003) and a Sony (circa 2004) DVD player with no problems at all. The problem only occurs in the LG unit (which is the only one hooked up to my projector).

Any ideas? Short of a firmware upgrade?

I've officially decided that this player is a piece of junk. I tried to back up my copy of "The Break Up" and while all my other players play them just fine, this piece of junk will read the disc, state "Stop" and then the screen goes blank when you press PLAY. Anyone want to buy it off me? It is about 2 months old with about 40 hours on it.

I tried the backup on different media to no avail. Seems that it doesn't understand the new copy protection (CSS/RCSS...whatever it is) and it stumbles around.

I did manage to get it to display the letter / error "S" (or "5") when I repeatly pressed the play button after inserting the disc.

I have a Sony KV36hs500, Winegard 9095p antenna 36' up outside, and a LG LST-3510a.
I bought it new from CC, and it works perfectly if you discount the lack of subchannel deletion and not playing my Verbatim back-ups.
I use the DVI on 1080i
This LG unit has the best picture I have ever seen, anywhere, hands-down. Great menu! Excellent channel pick-up. Easy to use. LG made a mistake discontinuing something this good.

what if any is the difference between 3510 and 3510a? What is a good replacement remote of these units?

I do not know what differentiates the two, one from another.
I bought a new remote at newremotecontrol-dot-com for $38 plus $6 shipping. Cheapest on the web.

I do not know what differentiates the two, one from another.
I bought a new remote at newremotecontrol-dot-com for $38 plus $6 shipping. Cheapest on the web.
At that price, why not just spend a couple bucks more & get a logitech (I suggest a 520)...

I guess I'm just funny that I like to stick with OEM remotes. I admit to know nothing of Logitech's remotes, but my experience has been poor in that no non-OEM remote has ever duplicated every function of the OEM.

OK, whatever man. :D

Juss make shure you git SUPER-ULTRA-MEGA alkaline batteries fer it.

Dogs eat batteries??????????

I guess I'm just funny that I like to stick with OEM remotes. I admit to know nothing of Logitech's remotes, but my experience has been poor in that no non-OEM remote has ever duplicated every function of the OEM.

As it happens, I setup a 3510A with a Logitech Harmony 520 remote last night, and it works reasonably well, after quite a bit of tweaking in the setup application. As an example, it had the code for the "program" button, but not the more useful "guide" button, so I had to teach it the "guide" code and assign it to the appropriate button. Fortunately, I had an OEM remote around to do the teaching.

I've been using a Harmony remote for over a year, and they are extremely nice once you've gotten everything just so. The remote on the 3510A is way too big for casual use.

I've officially decided that this player is a piece of junk. I tried to back up my copy of "The Break Up" and while all my other players play them just fine, this piece of junk will read the disc, state "Stop" and then the screen goes blank when you press PLAY. Anyone want to buy it off me? It is about 2 months old with about 40 hours on it.

I tried the backup on different media to no avail. Seems that it doesn't understand the new copy protection (CSS/RCSS...whatever it is) and it stumbles around.

I did manage to get it to display the letter / error "S" (or "5") when I repeatly pressed the play button after inserting the disc.


The manual does not indicate supporting DVD-R, -RW formats. I have had mixed results w/ mine. Is it still for sale? I have directed a friend to the thread as he may be interested.

Brett

is there a good place to buy this unit other than ebay?

Not anymore

is there a good place to buy this unit other than ebay?


Computer Geeks stocks this occasionally. I went to buy one and they were out of stock. I signed up for their "Restock Alert System" where I received an e-mail when the product arrived back in stock. A few weeks later, I got an e-mail indicating they were back in stock. I ordered one.

Their part number is LST-3510A-R.


HTH,

Ken

Computer Geeks stocks this occasionally. I went to buy one and they were out of stock. I signed up for their "Restock Alert System" where I received an e-mail when the product arrived back in stock. A few weeks later, I got an e-mail indicating they were back in stock. I ordered one.

Their part number is LST-3510A-R.


HTH,

Ken

Thanks. Here is the link for anyone who is interested

http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=LST-3510A-R&cat=CON

The "R" suffix stands for "refurbished" doesn't it?

Dave

yes it's refurbished. They have one in stock right now if anyone wants one.

2 sellers on eBay (fortunaenterprises and 2ndturn) just unloaded a slew of these "R's" for $50-$90. If refurbs are OK to you then it might be worth it to wait a bit, there will be more like these. Personally, I've never bought a refurb anything because most mfgs. don't usually fix items when they are returned defective.

I bought one of the Fortuna eBay used lot for $77.27 shipped and have been extremely happy with it. As it happens, I also bought a geeks.com refurb for $173.99 shipped back in January. The geeks unit came with a remote, component cables, and a manual. The eBay unit came with nothing but the unit itself. I got it on the low side because Fortuna didn't know how to get the unit out of Spanish language menu mode.

[edited by author]
Both tuners use the 1.91 firmware, but the eBay one seems to be more reliable, at least I was able to watch Serenity all the way through in 720p over DVI and it looked great.
[end edit]

And there is always the issue of very few of the eBay units coming with remotes. To get the most out of the box you need a remote; and even if you have a Harmony remote, there are holes in the Harmony database for this particular model. I had my Harmony learn or re-learn several commands from the geek's box remote. If one of my brothers buys an eBay box; I'll teach the commands to a cheap All-4-One and send it to him.

And there is always the issue of very few of the eBay units coming with remotes. To get the most out of the box you need a remote; and even if you have a Harmony remote, there are holes in the Harmony database for this particular model. I had my Harmony learn or re-learn several commands from the geek's box remote. If one of my brothers buys an eBay box; I'll teach the commands to a cheap All-4-One and send it to him.

however, a number of LG remotes will work for this unit; I got my 4200a without remote - the 3510 remote worked fine. I was able to get what appeared to be a new remote for the 4200 for 20 bucks - would imagine the 3510 remote would be pretty similar.

now you've got me tempted - I'll buy another one for under a hundred bucks - I love mine. I gladly paid 175 or so for my first one; my new lcd panel would be very happy with another 3510. Thanks for the pointers.

My wife and I are so thrilled with our 3510a that I think I'd like to get another for a spare, especially one with the original 1.91 software for as I look into my crystal ball and see the studios locking down HDCP schemes, I'd wager that a unit that can provide HD over component could prove to be quite valuable in a few years!

Yup - at least until every non-HDCP set is in the landfill. And I have some pretty nice, old-school sets - my Mits 36" is only SD, but it will be quite a while before I trash it. And its' display still gives a pretty nice picture when fed HD - I can live with black bars on the top and bottom. ;)

One thing that annoyed me about the original 3510A remote is that it doesn't have a proper fast forward or reverse buttons. Yes, you can hold down the next chapter or previous chapter buttons for 2 seconds to go into fast mode, but that's just a hack and it's not as if they were economizing on buttons.

Well, this might be well known, but I just found out that the standard LG DVD commands found in a cheap $12 One-For-All remote include the proper codes to fast forward/fast rewind. On learning this, I promptly taught them to my Harmony remote. This thing is getting better all the time.

the placement on the buttons is wrong...where most companies place the stop button, LG placed the eject button. Countless times I've tried to Stop a DVD just to have it eject, hit the glass window and go back in.

Yes, I just bought an All-in-One remote to address the LG's FFWD/Skip fiasco of a remote.

And don't get me started on the eject button! Why the h*ll does a remote even need an eject button? Is it going to take the DVD out and walk it over to my cabinet also??

There is a work around to get the 3510 to upconvert DVDs, although it may be a bit painful to implement.

Unplug the power to the 3510, plug it back in, and then insert your DVD and play as ususal. If you switch to tuner and then back to DVD, it will no longer upconvert. You will have to unplug the power once again. I have my 3510 powered through the switched 120V jack on the back of my reciever so I simply need to put the receiver in stanby and then turn it back on to get the upcoversion back.

Good Luck,

Darrell

Anybody else getting this work around to work? When I turn the unit back on it automatically goes back to the tuner. I have inadvertently watch several movies upconverted to 720p over component but I have yet to figure out the trick. Did not realize upconversion was occuring until watching LOR over a two night span. We realized that we had full screen the first night and only 3/4 screen the second night. Did use the tuner btw viewings.

Brett

and it will, always, upconvert dvds that you have backed up. just a fwiw - over rgb/vga or component, at 720p or 1080i. SW episode 3 looked marvelous - especially opening space battle. Totally amazing. afaik, it works with both +R and -R disks - I use both, whichever I can get best price on, so I would assume I have watched both in the LG.

and it will, always, upconvert dvds that you have backed up. just a fwiw - over rgb/vga or component, at 720p or 1080i. SW episode 3 looked marvelous - especially opening space battle. Totally amazing. afaik, it works with both +R and -R disks - I use both, whichever I can get best price on, so I would assume I have watched both in the LG.

Never had a problem with dvd's @720p, all i own are "backups" so haven't had a problem.
Also last night noticed if i tap on the top of the box the sounds drops out for a spilt 2nd, i checked my connections in the back, just 2 channel analog i'm using now, possibly a loose connection inside or ground, if it happens more i will pull the cover and probe around.

Biggest downside i see is they should of used 2 separate tuner inputs not 1 shared as switvhing back and forth and rescanning sucks.

I'm trying to help a buddy with an older 1080i-capable Mitsubishi (component only) TV get both over-the-air HD and upconvert dvds. Given the age of most of these LG units and the risk involved, are there any other equivalent products out there that do the same via component? Thanks in advance.

Given the age of most of these LG units and the risk involved, are there any other equivalent products out there that do the same via component? Thanks in advance.

I know there are others, but don't recall model numbers....however, most of them will be older, too. At least as old as the LG. My LG had to be tricked to upconvert over component and some won't do it at all...I think it depends on the firmware version.

It would upconvert just fine on non-protected sources (I.e. home movies, etc).

And don't get me started on the eject button! Why the h*ll does a remote even need an eject button? Is it going to take the DVD out and walk it over to my cabinet also??I found good use for it, not to eject but to close. When I put the DVD in but am not ready to give up the current TV program, simply sit back and hit "eject/close" whenever appropriate.

Also, one other related question, it looks like when using the DVD player with component that it always says 1080i, yet for commercial disks when I start playing them I see the screen blank and come back and I am pretty sure it just down converted to 480p. Is this true?

Thanks for the help...............Erik

Not too sure about the dual link cable, although I think it should work. As far as upconversion over component, I found that mine would "upconvert" the first title (normally FBI warning, trailers, etc) just fine. After the first title had played it would not upconvert any other titles (even though the display showed 1080i). I had confirmed this by seeing the true resolution via my projector (it would switch and show me).

My firmware version will let you start the movie, in 480p, then power off the unit, power it back on and resume the movie in upconversion fashion (since it is the first title it played since being powered on).

just saw this today at Best Buy (RR, TX). They had an open box on the shelf for $399 + $100 gift card to buy a nice antenna with. I already have one, but just in case anyone was interested.

just saw this today at Best Buy (RR, TX). They had an open box on the shelf for $399 + $100 gift card to buy a nice antenna with. I already have one, but just in case anyone was interested.

$400?, they can be had on e-bay for under $100, i bought mine a yr ago new on there for $160.

didn't say it was a good price ;), just surprised to see such an old unit on their shelves...must have been hiding in the back somewhere :)

Anybody else getting this work around to work? When I turn the unit back on it automatically goes back to the tuner. I have inadvertently watch several movies upconverted to 720p over component but I have yet to figure out the trick. Did not realize upconversion was occuring until watching LOR over a two night span. We realized that we had full screen the first night and only 3/4 screen the second night. Did use the tuner btw viewings.

Looks like I got it working now. Last night while watching the Superbit version of Starship Troopers, I turned the DVD player off w/ the DVD in and turned it back on. Unit defaults back to the tuner but I just hit play and get it back into DVD mode. Picture went from top/bottom borders (assuming 480p) to borderless picture (assuming 720p). 3510a is sending signal to Harman Kardon receiver via component.

From a post originally on the 3410a thread, I was able to use their link to find 3510a info at this link: http://136.166.4.200/contents/Files/STB/LST-3510A.htm. I have already d/l'ed the manual. Trying to figure out what else is worhtwhile to d/l.

Brett

didn't say it was a good price ;), just surprised to see such an old unit on their shelves...must have been hiding in the back somewhere :)

Would imagine so - they (BBs) are cleaning house, getting in their new HD sources. I actually saw an open box Samsung 160 on Black Friday - they had been using it 7 days a week since it came out, as the store's source for the HD broadcast demos. Made me laugh - after the 160 became discontinued, our local kept using theirs, even tho they had easy access to "newer" and "improved" models. Yet when I tried to buy it, it wasn't on inventory. I'd guess that your BB's 160 died, and at the time, the 3510 was the best thing they had readily available. :)

But someone who wanted one could keep an eye on it - BB originally blew them out around 159 - 179; if no one has snagged yours by Christmas, I'd look for a hefty markdown.

It may be worth following this link from above: http://136.166.4.200/contents/Files/STB/LST-3510A.htm and d/l the service manual and the latest firmware 1.94. The manual has step by step instructions on how to update the firmware using Tera Term (free terminal program) and a Serial Cable. I have 1.91 (Dec 2003) and lots of trouble with DVD-R homemade discs. I am planning to do the above but haven't gotten around to it yet. Please let us know how it turns out.

EDIT: Friend of mine has this player but can play all sorts of homemade DVDs, I will confirm what firmware level he has. I cannot figure out any other factor that may play a part in this issue.

It may be worth following this link from above: http://136.166.4.200/contents/Files/STB/LST-3510A.htm and d/l the service manual and the latest firmware 1.94. The manual has step by step instructions on how to update the firmware using Tera Term (free terminal program) and a Serial Cable. I have 1.91 (Dec 2003) and lots of trouble with DVD-R homemade discs. I am planning to do the above but haven't gotten around to it yet. Please let us know how it turns out.

EDIT: Friend of mine has this player but can play all sorts of homemade DVDs, I will confirm what firmware level he has. I cannot figure out any other factor that may play a part in this issue.FYI, The 1.91 firmware allows you to upconvert encrypted DVDs over the component and VGA outputs. Latter versions restrict you to 480p. Units with the earlier 1.91 version firmware are more valuable to some users than later versions of firmware because of this. Depending on your needs, you might not want to update the firmware.

It could be a hardware issue why some DVDs play and others do not. I know on my unit some commercial DVDs do not play, and others do. I don't mind since I use it for the OTA HDTV tuner and do not play DVDs on it at all. I use a HTPC to drive my projector and get full analog 7.1 sound decoding.

Joe L.

Also, to enable dolby digital 6.1,
???? :eek:

Ed

o.k. so I updated the firmware to 1.94 as I already mentioned and I just changed the region to 0 for region free. With both of these together there is a very noticeable improvement in DVD+R playback. I successfully watched two movies tonight that I had backed up with NO skips or jumps. I also watched a 3rd movie that before I did this had 25 skips/jumps and now it only had 5. I think that there might be a problem with my original DVD so will try to watch that in a few days and see how it does. So at least the unit is operating a hell of a lot better than it did. Also, to enable dolby digital 6.1, I needed to set the DVD menu to "stream/pcm" and then "96KHz."
I have a major skipping issue when playing back ANY dvds...I knew that when I bought it used (mainly for the tuner), but I was wondering if I should upgrade to the newest firmware. I believe I have 1.92 so I am not getting up conversion over component anyhow.

Jay, were you having issues with all dvd's skiping or just writable DVDs you made yourself? It sounds like things got better, so maybe i'll try. Keep posting your results. Thanks!~

Any other enhancements with 1.94? I have major skipping issues with several commercial disks. Current version is 1.92 so I guess the only thing I have to lose by trying the upgrade is $29.99 for a USB-->serial cable. That's at Staples, was the RatShack one cheaper?

Has anyone had any luck down-converting to 1.91?
I would REALLY love to get HD over component, my DVI looks duller than component?!

Tim

Has anyone had any luck down-converting to 1.91?
I would REALLY love to get HD over component, my DVI looks duller than component?!

TimA better question might be... Does anyone have a copy of 1.91 firmware as a file that could be used to upgrade/downgrade?

The 1.93 upgrade file is the only one I've seen to date.

A better question might be... Does anyone have a copy of 1.91 firmware as a file that could be used to upgrade/downgrade?

The 1.93 upgrade file is the only one I've seen to date.

Looks like 1.91 links here: http://136.166.4.200/contents/Files/STB/LST-3510A/

Brett

My 3510A is hooked to a Tosh CRT RPTV (46HX83). I have ALWAYS ran it over DVI for HD (off the cable input, not OTA) and 'upconverting' DVD's you know, DVI, digital - has to be better. Not sure on the firmware but mine does 1080i over DVI for DVD's but not component.

I am re-org'n my setup so I took a chance to do a back and forth using Blue Crush (yah, I know.. but it has some good color and some dark scenes). Evening out all the settings on my TV I went from Component and back to DVI over and over. 480p was really the only true test, since anything above didn't seem to do anything on component. DVI was decidly more 'digital' with more of a pixelated, artifact image on all settings. Even upconverting to 1080i on DVI didn't help it exceed of component at 480p.

Component looked softer, but in a good way, not so digital, more film like.
Component was brighter natively (all the TV settings were zero'd out)
Component seemed smoother... both inputs were set to Film (which is also Auto) which I believe is the 3:2 pulldown compatibility on the Tosh sets. DNR, SVM, all the 'helper' functions were turned off...

Kicker: HDTV from Comcast (picked up directly off the cable on the LG, split before going to the comcast box and just one patch from the street pole) looked basically identical at 1080i over either connection... maybe because the image itself is HD to begin with?

If it's just the DVI giving the digi look I too would like to be able to get DVD at 1080i over the component to see if the image improves.

Anyone notice similar charatrstics? Mine is reconditioned, I had to send the first one back... on the back it says ROM 1.09... that might not be firmware per se, maybe just a hardware component change on the assembly line?


ps... DVD backups seem to play fine, DVD-R... mine are always just the movie though with little or no compression. Occasionally a commercial DVD won't play... Art School Confidential (Sony Classics... lots of copy protection) - wouldn't play... The Devil and Daniel Johnston (Sony Classics, same copy scheme) would play... go figure.

Of course, remove the bad sectors and files that point to nowhere on the discs and re-author they play fine. Each movie was a one timer for me, so I wouldnt have made a backup normally... just use the originals, but I had to test that theory.

Really, on problem discs, I would look to see who made it... TriStar, Columbia, Sony, Sony Classics... all mucked up discs with ant-piracy features all over the place. Older or real cheap DVD players have trouble I have found... new Sony DVD player I have plays it fine (of course... it probably excepts mem sticks if I look around hard enough ;) )

Thanks brettwf, yes, I have grabbed LST3510A_MP1.91.zip and am planning on using the file "LST3510A_V1.91_APPL.dnf" to down-convert from 1.93(?) to 1.91.
Just have to get my hands on a M/F 9-pin serial cable.

Any one have any luck doing this?

Tim

Thanks brettwf, yes, I have grabbed LST3510A_MP1.91.zip and am planning on using the file "LST3510A_V1.91_APPL.dnf" to down-convert from 1.93(?) to 1.91.
Just have to get my hands on a M/F 9-pin serial cable.

Any one have any luck doing this?

Tim

Did you try this? Care to post your results?

I'm going to try this as soon as the USB-->serial cable at monoprice comes back in stock. I'm not in any hurry, and the cable is $15 cheaper than anywhere else.

Did you try this? Care to post your results?

I'm going to try this as soon as the USB-->serial cable at monoprice comes back in stock. I'm not in any hurry, and the cable is $15 cheaper than anywhere else.


Without digging too deep... is this a 9pin serial cable male/female (ie, for modems, cisco routers, and about a hundred other hardware pieces)?

If so, your locally owned computer shop will have some in stock and honestly, will let you borrow one if you ask nice. If you work at an office with a tech department they got them by the pile to. You can probably borrow one I bet.

Is there special software people are using to do this or can you just use Hyperterminal?

eagles - no, I haven't tried yet, still need the cable and haven't yet experimented with TeraTerm
I tend to tred lightly when doing something like this, but I will post results once I've decided to jump in with both feet
scotter - yes, a 9pin serial cable male/female
according to the service manual, LG is using a TeraTerm, I am not sure if/how Hyperterminal will work

I haven't flashed mine yet, but I looked at HyperTerminal first before downloading TeraTerm and the only item that forced me to d/l TTerm is the Binary option during Send File, not present in HTerm.

My laptop doesn't have a serial port, so I need to use a USB---->serial converter cable. I'm sure I've got a plain serial cable lying around, but I don't think even my desktop PC has a serial port anymore.

I'm not sure if I'm going to flash to 1.91 or 1.94 - I have the 3510 hooked up via DVI/HDMI so the upconverting over component isn't a must have. I just want the damn playback to be more reliable.

Hi!

Although I am a new poster, for the last month or so I have been researching the 3510a, and recently purchased one to use with Comcast after reading this whole thread (!!!) . I am very happy with the unit in general, and have been lucky enough not to have the DVD playback issues that so many have reported here -- I immediately applied the region hack and upgraded the firmware to 1.94 (from 1.92), so I don't know if this had fixed any present issues.

--- I am using DVI to a Samaung Plasma EDTV; I do not know if this latest release allows 1080 over component, but it seems to be stable, and it installed easily should the directions be followed from BOTH the 3510a and lst-4200a service manuals, as each sadly leaves out pertinent information from the other. ---

On that note, I has a question about how it handles sub-channels. I am not sure if this is something specific to the LG receivers, but how come I can't operate on the sub-channels individually? I mean, every operation, such as blocking the channel, labeling the channel, adding the channel to the surf list, operates on the whole channel with all sub channels included. This kinda makes all of these features pointless, IMO.

For example: I have something like this. Channel 116-3 is horse racing stuff, 116-5 is CBS and 116-6 is ABC. I want to skip the 116-3 channel, and I want to add channels 116-5, and 116-6 to the surf list, and give them individual labels. I can't seem to figure out how to do this with my receiver. Anyone with any suggestions???

Thank you!

I have a spare remote laying around for one of these if anyone needs one. Mine was to be sold to someone from another forum. I was using a spare Dish network return box, UPS guy showed up to take Dish boxes while I was at class (was unaware a pickup was scheduled by Dish), wife put the Dish UPS label on the box with my LST-3510a in it, Dish got it. Despite phone calls ahead of time, they basically said "it's lost now, tough, you can't get it back". :mad:

So anyway, I have a remote for one of these laying around. If anyone really needs one PM me if you want it, paypal me a few bucks for shipping, and I can send it to you.

EDIT: spare remote is gone BTW

Hi!

On that note, I has a question about how it handles sub-channels. I am not sure if this is something specific to the LG receivers, but how come I can't operate on the sub-channels individually? I mean, every operation, such as blocking the channel, labeling the channel, adding the channel to the surf list, operates on the whole channel with all sub channels included. This kinda makes all of these features pointless, IMO.

For example: I have something like this. Channel 116-3 is horse racing stuff, 116-5 is CBS and 116-6 is ABC. I want to skip the 116-3 channel, and I want to add channels 116-5, and 116-6 to the surf list, and give them individual labels. I can't seem to figure out how to do this with my receiver. Anyone with any suggestions???

Thank you!

It's an irritant that's specific to these early LG receivers, and something I was hoping they fixed with v1.94 - I guess not.

I've got a 50" Zenith plasma (also made by LG), and subchannels are handled MUCH better. You can add/del/favorite them individually. I keep hoping they'll fix it with a firmware upgrade, but it may be a false hope at this point.

First attempt at entering BOOT MENU was unsuccessful. Using TTerm, tried all COM ports at the settings given (Com*/115200/8bit/none/1bit/none). Held down b, B, or d on keyboard, while pressing the power from remote, front panel, and even a total unplug-plug of power cord. Still can't get into BOOT menu.

Either I missed something or this M-F serial cable that came with my UPS has custom-wired pins.

VelociRacer-

You seem to have done what you are supposed to do, so so my guess is that it is the cable, and if you are using a usb-serial adapter --- Dont! Find a PC that has legacy ports instead if that is the case.

And contrary to what the manual says, only lower case "b" works, otherwise the box sends back eeprom error codes....

Thanks, my 'puter still has old school serial/parallel ports. If anyone is looking for some cheap DB-9 (and other) cables, check out cablewholesale.com.