Kicker? Doesn't seem to have the problem with my original DVDs only the backups I make of my DVDs (I remove the DVD crap and jsut burn the movie since I hate wading through all the menus!).

Suggestions?

Let me get this straight . . . It's too much of a hassle to push "play" on an original disc? But 4-6 hours to rip and burn a DVD-R is no problem? :rolleyes:

As to your question, it's going to cost you more than it's worth to send the unit back to LG and have it fixed. It's not under warranty on any kind. You'd be much better off to buy the "$40 DVD player" for discs and just use the LG as a tuner. Even if you also have to buy a HDMI switch from monoprice because your TV is limited on inputs.

Ok, since this childish banter needs to end here, I will clarify it all up for you:

No where does LG state that it can playback DVD-R/RW and/or DVD+R/RW discs...

I know this is unacceptable for a newer high end player, but you should have really verified this before you plunked down the money for it should it have been a big deal.

Ok, since this childish banter needs to end here, I will clarify it all up for you:

No where does LG state that it can playback DVD-R/RW and/or DVD+R/RW discs...

I know this is unacceptable for a newer high end player, but you should have really verified this before you plunked down the money for it should it have been a big deal.
I am having exactly the same experience as he is describing. My issue is with commercial DVD's though. I don't use DVD-R's and I cannot watch an entire DVD using this player. I have the 1.92 version firmware. It starts skipping (5-10 seconds at a time) after getting about 1/2 into the movie.

I bought this used from cr@igslist, and the previous owner had the same experience. I mainly wanted it for the HD tuner and the price was right, so I bought it anyhow. I had hoped that I could fix it by flashing it or doing some other magic, but I am now less hopeful.

The previous owner thought it might have been heat related. Personally I think the drive has issues with spin speed, as can be read here (http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/dvd6.htm) a disc needs to spin slower as it gets further in the movie due to the size of the rings it reads getting larger. Just a theory though.

I guess that I still don't understand LG's wisdom. The LST-3510A will let you view true HD broadcasts in 1080i, via the RGBHV outputs, but it still won't let you view a regular old 480i DVD, using upscaling to view fake HD in 1080i. OOOOH...fake 1080"I", when 1080i is already old hat. Still, we can view 1080P movies on new HD-DVD gear. Can someone, please, explain the logic in that? Come on, LG, cough it up already on letting us watch outdated, fake 1080i DVD's, via RGBHV, on our LST-3510A's. It's just a video effect for heavens sake! What's so wrong with some video Bondo?

Simple answer, with an analog interface, you have no HDCP. I don't own a HD-DVD player, but I assume it only lets you upconvert DVD's (fake 1080i as you call it) via HDMI since it has HDCP and would not upconvert over component.

HDCP - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDCP
HDMI - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI

Last I read, HDCP only through dvi. Many pages ago someone was able to use conponent.

Last I read, HDCP only through dvi. Many pages ago someone was able to use conponent.

I can upconvert through component (1.91 FW), but I have to trick it into doing it. The first title will always upconvert upon power on. So I get the movie started, press the power button and then power it back on. Since the movie is the first title to play upon powering it on again, it will upconvert it.

No problems upconverting any of my backups as their is no encryption key in them.

The fact that my DVD player sounds like a jet plane has put the 3510A in a closet collecting dust.

Last I read, HDCP only through dvi. Many pages ago someone was able to use conponent.

I too am upconverting thru component. If the DVD player is not in "tricked" mode, I stop the movie and power off the 3510a. Repower and hit play once the unit has gone thru is power up sequence. When the movie pops back up, I am in full 720p "tricked" resolution. Lord of the Rings looks much better on a full screen then at 1/2 screen 480p. Recently watched Hollow Man Superbit and Children of Dune upconverted to 720p (native resolution of my Samsung DLP).

As for recorded DVD's, I have had mixed results. I borrowed some back-ups from a friend and they all chapter skipped two or three times to the end of the movie. But a copy of Gray's Anatomy from another friend's DVR played perfectly. The only commercial DVD that did not play properly is Ghostbusters. I have noticed on a few commercial DVDs where the movie hung for a second or two between chapters. I am not sure if that is the 3510's fault or bad coding on the DVD.

Has anyone ever got a service quote from LG? We might want to compare the quote w/ going eBay prices to see which is cheaper. But then again one just might be buying the same problem if you go the eBay route or other reseller outlet.

Brett

I finally got tired of waiting for the USB-->serial cable to come back in stock at monoprice and ordered one off of the bay. Decided to try downgrading to v1.91 first. Connected fine with TTerm after switching the setup speed and Com#, however the service manual isn't real clear on the procedure. I thought everything went fine but when I check the rev# I was still at 1.92 - tried the whole thing again and this time it went to the added step of compiling the code then deleting and writing to the flash memory. I'm probably lucky I didn't brick the thing the first time.

I now am running v1.91, that's the good news. The bad news is DVD playback is just as flakey as before. I can upconvert over component now, but a lot of my original DVD's either won't load at all or skip badly soon after starting playback. I may try reflashing up to 1.94 but I don't think it's a firmware issue. Looks like the drive itself has problems.

Oh well, it was fun anyway.

I recall on one of the APEX 600A forums, people were having the same problem w/ skipping movies but no one wanted to get them serviced due to the magic menu on these players that turned off protections. There were several posts that discussed successful replacement of the defective drive w/ DVD-ROM drives that you would typically buy for a PC.

This might be a cheaper alternative then getting it serviced thru the manufacturer. Anybody looked into this possibility yet?

Brett

Thanks Eagles & Jay for posting your experiences & the results (or lack there of). I am disapointed to hear that you got no where despite your best efforts. You have saved me some time & risk by not having to even bother.

I recall on one of the APEX 600A forums, people were having the same problem w/ skipping movies but no one wanted to get them serviced due to the magic menu on these players that turned off protections. There were several posts that discussed successful replacement of the defective drive w/ DVD-ROM drives that you would typically buy for a PC.

This might be a cheaper alternative then getting it serviced thru the manufacturer. Anybody looked into this possibility yet?

Brett

I may give it a try sometime. I've got a couple of drives laying around but I think they're DVD-RW types. Looking at the service manual, the drive unit is listed as "NSP" or "not available as a service part". I still use the tuner somewhat (even though my TV has a built-in tuner) so I'd hate to brick the thing.

Maybe sometime when I'm bored I'll give it a shot.

I've got two HDTVs one connected an older Samsung HD receiver and the other HD connected to a LG LST3510A.

Currently the LG won't pickup digital channels 5, or 8, and it was getting both. The Samsung is getting them and both receivers are connected to the same antenna/coax line amp.
It does get all the other ota stations. There is a straight path to the mtn, which is where most of the station antennas are, 20+miles away.

Also a couple of months back, the LG would not lock onto 4-1, for about a month, then it set itself straight again.
Has anyone else had these kind of problems with the 3510A?

Have you tried rescanning?

I used to have problems like that when the local broadcasters were changing their PSIP data and it would require a rescan to get the box to recognize the stations again.

Yes, I have done rescans. And then those stations are left out of the station list, due to the fact the LG isn't picking up their signals.

eagles - no, I haven't tried yet, still need the cable and haven't yet experimented with TeraTerm
I tend to tred lightly when doing something like this, but I will post results once I've decided to jump in with both feet

Said I would post results, I don't really have any
Right before I was going to down-convert to 1.91, I decided to check one more time what version I have, WOOOPS, I already have 1.91 :)
So I tried every trick in the book (I mean forum) to output 1080i through component, but no luck, HUH?
I would start the DVD playing and shut off, turn back on, press play, the movie would start in 1080i and 2-3 seconds later, the picture would cut-out for a second and then I would be (back) to 480p
I also tried starting the DVD, shutting off, turning back on, pressing the DTV/DVD button, "DVD" screen would show (in 1080i), press play, the movie would start in 1080i and 2-3 seconds later, the picture would cut-out for a second and then I would be (back) to 480p
I did all this while my Sony kv30hs510 was in service mode, displaying current resolution
So I will NOT be messing with the version, I guess I will have to try my Digital Video Essentials disc and, using a separate video setting (like Pro), tweak the picture for DVI

Tim

I have a major skipping issue when playing back ANY dvds...I knew that when I bought it used (mainly for the tuner), but I was wondering if I should upgrade to the newest firmware. I believe I have 1.92 so I am not getting up conversion over component anyhow.

Jay, were you having issues with all dvd's skiping or just writable DVDs you made yourself? It sounds like things got better, so maybe i'll try. Keep posting your results. Thanks!~
How often do you clean the laser? I had a skipping problem playing a dts music disc today. I installed the disc washer, let it do its thing, put the dts music disc back in and no more skipping.

Said I would post results, I don't really have any
Right before I was going to down-convert to 1.91, I decided to check one more time what version I have, WOOOPS, I already have 1.91 :)
So I tried every trick in the book (I mean forum) to output 1080i through component, but no luck, HUH?
I would start the DVD playing and shut off, turn back on, press play, the movie would start in 1080i and 2-3 seconds later, the picture would cut-out for a second and then I would be (back) to 480p
I also tried starting the DVD, shutting off, turning back on, pressing the DTV/DVD button, "DVD" screen would show (in 1080i), press play, the movie would start in 1080i and 2-3 seconds later, the picture would cut-out for a second and then I would be (back) to 480p
I did all this while my Sony kv30hs510 was in service mode, displaying current resolution
So I will NOT be messing with the version, I guess I will have to try my Digital Video Essentials disc and, using a separate video setting (like Pro), tweak the picture for DVI

Tim

If you make a backup of the DVD, removing the encryption, you can upconvert over component. However, depending on the size of the DVD you may lose quality (even in movie only mode)

Said I would post results, I don't really have any
Right before I was going to down-convert to 1.91, I decided to check one more time what version I have, WOOOPS, I already have 1.91 :)
So I tried every trick in the book (I mean forum) to output 1080i through component, but no luck, HUH?
I would start the DVD playing and shut off, turn back on, press play, the movie would start in 1080i and 2-3 seconds later, the picture would cut-out for a second and then I would be (back) to 480p
I also tried starting the DVD, shutting off, turning back on, pressing the DTV/DVD button, "DVD" screen would show (in 1080i), press play, the movie would start in 1080i and 2-3 seconds later, the picture would cut-out for a second and then I would be (back) to 480p
I did all this while my Sony kv30hs510 was in service mode, displaying current resolution
So I will NOT be messing with the version, I guess I will have to try my Digital Video Essentials disc and, using a separate video setting (like Pro), tweak the picture for DVI

Tim

Tim, for "funzies," set your output to 720p and see if it still goes back to 480p. Mine is set to 720p and it stays at 720p when I "trick" it. I also believe my firmware is newer than 1.91 but don't remember which version. I think the original poster of the upconverting trick said to unplug the 3510a instead of just shutting off. I just power down like you are doing, give it a second or two, and then power back up. I have not tried displaying resolution to confirm. I have been assuming that I am in 720p when the movie (almost) fills the screen and it is in 480p when if fills 1/2 to 2/3 the screen.

As for backups, I have had mixed results with recorded DVD's provided by others. Remember that the owner's manual does not mention support for recordable DVDs. I now have a DL superdrive for my PowerMac G4 dualie. Sometime after I do my taxes, I going to start experimenting to see what works. I think some other posters have posted their results.

I had thought about buying a refurb thru a local LG employee for my second TV but given the mixed bag of results that every poster seems to have, I do not think that I am guaranteed to have the same capabilities as my existing unit. Instead I think that I will wait for their combo BR/HD player coming back for refurbishment before bothering my LG aquaintence.

Brett

Amazing how 4-year old unit still attracts HDTV crowd.

Just got myself one off fleebay, haven't received it yet.

I plan to use it with Sony KP-61HS10. This 61" behemot from Sony does not support 720p, only 480i, 480p and 1080i.

Will I be able to see OTA HDTV at 1080i with the VGA-to-RGBHV cable?

And DVDs at 1080i if I put 1.91 firmware in?

Thanks.

Any other advices are appreciated.

Will I be able to see OTA HDTV at 1080i with the VGA-toRGBHV cable?I didn't think that the Sony accepted RGBHV?

Ed

Edit - never mind - I just looked it up and it looks like it does.

I didn't think that the Sony accepted RGBHV?

Ed

Edit - never mind - I just looked it up and it looks like it does.

Oh yes it sure does, that's how it worked as my PC monitor for 5 years. Now replaced by the new and shiny Samsung HL-S6767W.

Another question: since Sony TV does not have DVI input, is it possible to use DVI to VGA adapter on 3510A and THEN send signal to RGB HV?

Thanks guys.

galileo2000,

Try as I might, I could not get 1080i (or 720p) over component with version 1.91.
Tried every thing posted, and according to my Sony's service menu, was only able to get 480p.
If you have better luck, let us know.

Tim

Hi Timmer,

what Sony do you have?

Mine has a "regular" (Video 4) component input and RGBHV Video5 component input.

my HS10 manual says specifically that 480p and 1080i are only available thru Video 5 (RGBHV).

galileo,
I have a kv30hs510 (tube) with 2 sets of components and 1 dvi.
I would love to get HD through component since my dvi looks washed out.
anyhoo, hope that helps.

Timmer

Another question: since Sony TV does not have DVI input, is it possible to use DVI to VGA adapter on 3510A and THEN send signal to RGB HV?No - that won't work. Your TV is expecting an anlog signal thru the rgbhv. Consumer electronics DVI outputs are all digital.

The reason it works in the computer world is because DVI can be either digital or analog.

Ed

No - that won't work. Your TV is expecting an anlog signal thru the rgbhv. Consumer electronics DVI outputs are all digital.

The reason it works in the computer world is because DVI can be either digital or analog.

Ed

OK, thanks, that takes care of the idea :D

Now, let's see what I can do with my RGBHV cable.

The guy has shipped the unit, I'll keep you posted.


Did I mention it is for my parents and they will never be able to distinguish between 480i and 1080i? :D

Regardless, they should have the best.

galileo,
I have a kv30hs510 (tube) with 2 sets of components and 1 dvi.
I would love to get HD through component since my dvi looks washed out.
anyhoo, hope that helps.

Timmer

OK, I'll see what I can do. LG will be in my hands on Feb 14. Long way from Connecticut to California.

OK, thanks, that takes care of the idea :D

Now, let's see what I can do with my RGBHV cable.

The guy has shipped the unit, I'll keep you posted.


Did I mention it is for my parents and they will never be able to distinguish between 480i and 1080i? :D

Regardless, they should have the best.

Their eyes may not see the PQ difference but they should be able to notice the difference in screen size. Won't a 480i picture be smaller than the 1080i picture? I know when I am not gettingin upconversion over component when I put in a movie and it only fills half the screen width-wise (480p). I stop the movie, power off the unit, power back on, hit play, and voila' (near) full screen movie (720p).

Brett

I stop the movie, power off the unit, power back on, hit play, and voila' (near) full screen movie (720p).

This upconversion over component trick doesn't work on all machines...it does on yours and mine, but not all behave this way.

Their eyes may not see the PQ difference but they should be able to notice the difference in screen size. Won't a 480i picture be smaller than the 1080i picture? I know when I am not gettingin upconversion over component when I put in a movie and it only fills half the screen width-wise (480p). I stop the movie, power off the unit, power back on, hit play, and voila' (near) full screen movie (720p).

Brett

No, in fact 480i is bigger on their TV than 1080i is going to be. KP-61HS10 is 4:3 TV and 1080i is 16x9 so there wil be black bars on top and bottom of the TV.

Also, this TV does not support 720p.

Just to let you guys know, I received my unit from ebay today and it found all DTV channels in my area and displays them in 1080i when applicable, through component.

Only tried DVE DVD, I believe it to be commercial, and it outputs 1080i thru component as well.

I experienced some bizarre behavior when I used my huge silver VGA-RGBHV cable. But once I switched to component, all is well.

Will check firmware version and the rest later.

I am very happy.

All the best.

The unit will always do 1080i or 720p over component via the tuner with any firmware version. It's the DVD playback that is "crippled" over component for copy protected discs in versions later than 1.91

I played around a little today and thought I struck it rich. Ripped some movies off my Dishplayer DVR and burned them on Fuji DVD-R's at only 2X. First one played beautifully . . . until there was about 20 minutes left. Then it started the freaking skipping that I've grown to hate so much.

Since the movies were dish rips they were only around 2gb, or around 1/2 the capacity of the disc. I think the thing reads from the center of the disc (nearest the hole) outward as the movie progresses. I'm guessing as the laser pickup moves outward the player has more problems, as playback gets worse the further along you get. Could be a spin speed problem? Sounds like a good theory anyway - I'm not too up on optical drive technology.

I might take it apart tomorrow and see what things look like in there. I'm hardly even using the tuner anymore so there's not much to lose. I'm about ready to pick up an Oppo and be done with it. ;)

Just a quick update. I took the cover off yesterday and watched what goes on with one of the discs that won't even load (Pirates of the Carribean). When the disc gets pulled in the lens goes straight to the innermost tracks of the DVD, and then proceeds to rapidly cycle out/in like it's searching for a track it can read. After awhile it gives up and ejects the disc.

I also popped in a DVD that normally plays ok until it gets close to the end. As I suspected the laser starts at the inner portion of the DVD and moves outward as I step through chapters. It also slows down the spin speed, which I guess it's supposed to do. However the disc seems a little "wobbly", which has a more pronounced effect the further away from the center of the disc you get. I think this may be the problem.

I tried tightning up the mounting screws and I think it helped a little. The disc doesn't seem to wobble as much as before to my eye. Pirates still won't load though, and I haven't had a chance to try any other discs that usually give me problems.

I did find a source for the DVD assembly. It's a Zenith part number and costs $110. No thanks, I'll pick up an Oppo that I know will work before spending that much on this thing without knowing for sure it'll fix the problem. It's possible that the drive is the same as the cheap Zenith upconverting players so I might look into that for the part. Need to do a little more research.

Just a quick update. I took the cover off yesterday and watched what goes on with one of the discs that won't even load (Pirates of the Carribean). When the disc gets pulled in the lens goes straight to the innermost tracks of the DVD, and then proceeds to rapidly cycle out/in like it's searching for a track it can read. After awhile it gives up and ejects the disc.

I also popped in a DVD that normally plays ok until it gets close to the end. As I suspected the laser starts at the inner portion of the DVD and moves outward as I step through chapters. It also slows down the spin speed, which I guess it's supposed to do. However the disc seems a little "wobbly", which has a more pronounced effect the further away from the center of the disc you get. I think this may be the problem.

I tried tightning up the mounting screws and I think it helped a little. The disc doesn't seem to wobble as much as before to my eye. Pirates still won't load though, and I haven't had a chance to try any other discs that usually give me problems.

I did find a source for the DVD assembly. It's a Zenith part number and costs $110. No thanks, I'll pick up an Oppo that I know will work before spending that much on this thing without knowing for sure it'll fix the problem. It's possible that the drive is the same as the cheap Zenith upconverting players so I might look into that for the part. Need to do a little more research.

Thanks Eagles. Let us know. Don't give up on LG just yet. I saw one going on ebay for as much as $230 recently.

I still did not have a chance to test my LG with DVDs, quite busy with some other stuff, but it seems to me the best bang for the buck of having OTA HD receiver and the DVD player at the same time. Presuming it works :D

Mine makes a horrible noise while the DVD is playing...maybe it is loose...I might pop mine open and see if I can see what is causing the squealing during playback. Might also be why it won't play the last few chapters of some DVD's.

Just a quick update. I took the cover off yesterday and watched what goes on with one of the discs that won't even load (Pirates of the Carribean). When the disc gets pulled in the lens goes straight to the innermost tracks of the DVD, and then proceeds to rapidly cycle out/in like it's searching for a track it can read. After awhile it gives up and ejects the disc.

I also popped in a DVD that normally plays ok until it gets close to the end. As I suspected the laser starts at the inner portion of the DVD and moves outward as I step through chapters. It also slows down the spin speed, which I guess it's supposed to do. However the disc seems a little "wobbly", which has a more pronounced effect the further away from the center of the disc you get. I think this may be the problem.

I tried tightning up the mounting screws and I think it helped a little. The disc doesn't seem to wobble as much as before to my eye. Pirates still won't load though, and I haven't had a chance to try any other discs that usually give me problems.


I did find a source for the DVD assembly. It's a Zenith part number and costs $110. No thanks, I'll pick up an Oppo that I know will work before spending that much on this thing without knowing for sure it'll fix the problem. It's possible that the drive is the same as the cheap Zenith upconverting players so I might look into that for the part. Need to do a little more research.


Someone on the DVD Recorder forum conected a DVD burner outside the case and it worked. Any chance this could be done with the LG?

I bought the LG 3510A about three months ago based upon information provided in this thread. Now I’m having a problem with my unit randomly shutting down for no reason. I have to unplug and plug it back in to resume operation. This happens while watching TV through the tuner, and while playing DVDs. I have firmware v1.93. I would like to do the “SYSTEM S/W UP-DATE & DIAGNOSTIC S/W APPLICATION” but find the instructions in the service manual rather cryptic. Has anyone seen a clear explanation of how to do this?

Thnx
H -

Bump.

Anyone know what the fixes were with the firmwares 1.91-1.94?
Mine has 1.92 and plays most DVD+-R fine, Pal or NTSC, what the problem for me is playback on +DL's, it has problems reading the 2nd layer.

The QAM tuner is great as i can watch alot of On Demand movies from my neighbors cable.

The most annoying problem is say when your tuner finds some new channels, and after there gone, you do a rescan there gone until you shut it off, once you restart there all back and your changing channels with nothing there, once you go thru all the channels it deletes the channels with no signal.

According to Neal
Customer Interactive Center
LGEAI:

The firmware version 1.94 was developed for the Channel 2 issue (where you can not directly tune Channel 2, but instead have to use the digital equivalent, in this case 3)

As for a version history of fixes, he could not provide me one -- makes you wonder about LG support...

I still like this combo unit overall, though...

On a related note, LG also said:
The only listing for firmware updates currently available is the version 1.94. This was to resolve a problem that was experienced where customers could not directly tune the unit to Channel 02, nor its subchannels, regardless of the broadcast content of that channel. It might be possible to scroll through all other channels, but direct access would not be possible.

These early Digital / High Definition tuners were more delicate than current models. Strong enough signals could easily overload the reception, and blank out the picture and audio. An ideal signal strength for this model tuner is actually between 60% and 75%. To correct this situation, it is recommended to connect an attenuator to the antenna. This will reduce the signal strength just enough to make it viewable.

Anyone know what the fixes were with the firmwares 1.91-1.94?
Mine has 1.92 and plays most DVD+-R fine, Pal or NTSC, what the problem for me is playback on +DL's, it has problems reading the 2nd layer.

The QAM tuner is great as i can watch alot of On Demand movies from my neighbors cable.

Has anyone done the upgrade with ZTerm 1.1b7 on Mac OS X? I can connect just fine, but cannot seem to get the firmware file transfer to kick off -- which do I use, x, y, z modem or kermit?

TIA!

Can anyone save my 3510A?


Over the past two weeks I have lost the ability of my 3510A to DVI into my Samsung 56" HLR. The screen of death say monitor "not HDCP", which I know it is.

I have tried unplugging one and another, searching for any hacks out there, but nothing. I love the LG but this is taking on a life of its own. Has anybody got any ideas about this.

I could really use the help and I want to keep what hair I still have left. Thanks in advance.

It may be rather simple, but is the DVI cable securely screwed on both ends? Do it while the power is off for both devices. Get another $20 DVI cable from somewhere and make sure it is not the cable.

Thanks Velociracer,

Yeah, I actually brought the player to work and hooked it up to a Sony HD LCD and no problem. So I'm baffled. Don't think it's the Samsung since I hooked up my laptop with DVI using the same cable and it passed through.

I just can't figure this one out.

Thnaks

Can anyone save my 3510A?


Over the past two weeks I have lost the ability of my 3510A to DVI into my Samsung 56" HLR. The screen of death say monitor "not HDCP", which I know it is.

I have tried unplugging one and another, searching for any hacks out there, but nothing. I love the LG but this is taking on a life of its own. Has anybody got any ideas about this.

I could really use the help and I want to keep what hair I still have left. Thanks in advance.

James, if you can't solve the DVI dilemna, connect via component and see if your unit will upconvert the DVD signal. Some do and some don't. Mine is conncected via component due to the 25' run to the TV and I have to turn it off and back on w/ DVD in tray to trick it into upconverting to 720p.

Has anyone found an LG or Zenith DVD player that can be used as a parts machine for the LST-3510A? Mine will not read DVDs (does fine with CDs), and I assume the laser pickup needs replacing. Would be happy to swap in a part from a DVD player if there's one that's compatible. Thanks for any help.

Oh no! Laser pickup issues already? How old is your machine (Mfg date on the back) and how much use is it subjected to? Also, have you tried to upgrade to firmware 1.94 if you don't have it already?

I purchased used, so I don't know how much use the player has received. Did not try to update the firmware. Unfortunatlely, this is the second unit I've purchased that has the very same problem. Not sure whether the problem is due to use/age or a byproduct of shipping. Either way it stinks, since there's no comparable new unit to buy anymore.

Oh no! Laser pickup issues already? How old is your machine (Mfg date on the back) and how much use is it subjected to? Also, have you tried to upgrade to firmware 1.94 if you don't have it already?

I tried clicking on the link in this thread for the 1.91 firmware and it didn't seem to work. Does anyone have it? Can you email it to me? Or does the link work for you? I have this player and I have been trying to change the firmware for years. Why do people like this DVD HDTV player? I thought it was a waste of money since it won't play 1080 over component but it seems in the last year people have fell in love with this unit. Why?

This is the link I tried to use-

http://136.166.4.200/contents/Files/STB/LST-3510A.htm

I have a little used LG3510A that I have no longer need looking for a new home. PM if you're interested (prefer local SFBA people).

Well, with DVI, this STB has no issues. Only those who use the component out are mostly unhappy with it. The DVD part is clunky in the fact that is is VERY picky with home made DVD+/-Rs. But for 99% of the time, commercial DVDs are no issue. Getting the 1080i upscaled DVD output thru DVI is the best part about the DVD section.

DTV section is very solid, clean and stong. I am a happy camper since I use DVI, and use it as a tuner 99% of the time. I bought it when it was about 1 yr on the market (early 2004), back then it was worth $400-500. I agree there is too much hype and this box should not be worth more than $300, but there is/was just nothing like it in the market.

I have an NEC PX-42XM2/S Plasma, and the two communicate HDCP flawlessly. Never skipped a beat (thru DVI). The DTV picture looks STUNNING, this NEC/LG combo is killer. The DVD picture looks very good. Only my HTPC gives out a better DVD picture (thru VGA) as it uses more sophisticated CyberLink 6 DVD decoder and a slick player (Media Player Classic).

EDIT: I have the 1.91 FW and plan on DIY upgrade when I get a chance to overcome the Ch2 bug which is only a minor nitpick to me. And to see if it improves DVD+/-R capability, something the LG has never claimed it could handle.

This is the link I tried to use-

http://136.166.4.200/contents/Files/STB/LST-3510A.htm

Looks like the LG CS Academy site is blocked. I did a Google search and all links were blocked for access.

darn, brett

Looks like the LG CS Academy site is blocked. I did a Google search and all links were blocked for access.

darn, brett

Anyone know how to get this firmware? If you have it please email it to mp1856(no spam please)@yahoo.com

I just bought a Philips DVDR3575H 160G HDD DVD Recorder w/ ATSC tuner yesterday. Will I run into problems playing DVDs that I have recorded at home vs. store bought DVDs? Also, is there anything I can do to increase my chances that my homemade DVDs will work with this?

One other issue that I have had with my LG LST-3510A DVI/DVD/HDTV is that I moved it from a second story location to a basement location. In doing so I have lost several digital channels. I am still connected to the same antenna and I have good quality RG-6 feedline. I am reluctant to buy an amplifier, but I may have to try one. Does anyone else have any thoughts on this? I do have several different things connected to that same antenna, so maybe that many devices necessitates adding an amplifier to the system.

One other issue that I have had with my LG LST-3510A DVI/DVD/HDTV is that I moved it from a second story location to a basement location. In doing so I have lost several digital channels. I am still connected to the same antenna and I have good quality RG-6 feedline. I am reluctant to buy an amplifier, but I may have to try one. Does anyone else have any thoughts on this? I do have several different things connected to that same antenna, so maybe that many devices necessitates adding an amplifier to the system.

Jim, I accidently shorted out my cable line from yanking on it. There was enough signal coming thru for the analog channels but none of the digital HD channels would come thru. Luckily the break was in the attic and not in the wall so a splice fixed the problem.

Brett

Brett,

Thank you for the reply. I hope I didn't short my feedline out. I still get most of the local channels, but the same locations did get NTSC pretty well, but I do have several things connected to the same antenna and I do not have an amplifier connected, so I might need to buy one of those. I am just assuming that the more devices connected to a single antenna and lead to signal loss that I can compensated for with an amplifier. I suppose the easy way to find out is just buy an amplifier and try it.

Jim

Looks like the LG CS Academy site is blocked. I did a Google search and all links were blocked for access.

darn, brett

Brett, try using just the beginning of the address (the numerical part) this will get you to the LG Academy Site. They don't have any fimware listed but you will at least be able to DL the Service Manual.

Okay for all of you out in there somewhere I have a couple of issues I need some help with.

I recently purchased a 3510a on ebay. The unit arrived and I got it all connected the my TV (Akai PT5598HD) with component cables and my antenna coming into it is my comcast line (Basic Service Package). The unit came with no manual or remote. I downloaded the manual online with no problems after some searching. The receiver works great, it detected my local (Chicago) HD channels, and also the standard digital channels that are "piggy backed" through the coaxial. No complaints with that.:D

Okay my first issue is that the dvd player is a not working too great. It will play an Audio CD just fine, but has a problem reading DVD's. I thought it might be a dirty laser optic or reflective mirror. I used an cleaning disc for the optic and a can of air duster for the mirror, but this did not help. I have read, both here, and on other forums that people have had similar issues. Most of the other issues I have read about have been with commerical (store bought) DVD's. I have tried several commerical DVD's only to have the unit tell me "read error" and eject them. One time I did get a Directors Cut of Highlander to play. The disk appeared to play very smoothly and did not skip around as I have seen mentioned before. The most success I've had with a DVD is my "backed-up" copy of Pathfinder. I have been able to get this DVD to start the most, but even this one won't always play and will give me the "read error" message. I have tried changing from 1080i to 480p or 480i (TV doesn't do 720p) but the results are the same. The unit is set up for Region 1 and I have read that changing the region setting could solve the issue. I do not know what Firmware version is on it. I tried using the "holding stop button and volume up button on the front panel" trick to access this information but can't seen to get it to work. I do know the unit was manufactured in November 2004. I have DL'ed LG5000.zip program and created the CD as instructed. This created CD read's fine in the player, and brings up the screen for changing the Region Code. This brings me to me next question. As I did not receive a remote for the unit can the region code be changed using the front panel buttons somehow? If not, does any one have a code that would work with the original remotes for my TV or DirectTV box? The remote for my TV is model BP59-00026. The model number for my DirectTV remote is RC19041003/01. My DirectTV Box is a Philips DSX5500. Also, if looking for a remote code to try programing should I look at DVD codes or Cable (Set Top Box) codes as this unit is both? Sorry for the long post, but I wanted to make sure I gave as complete information as I could.

Any help on these issues would be great.

Thanks,
Mike

Sorry, no help here just some feedback. Mine (the DVD function) worked for 4 years before it quit. I now use an HD-A3 for DVD & HD viewing. The annoying thing is every time the 3510A is powered on, it opens the tray, close it, it opens again. I need to close a second time for the tray to stay put. Plan to open it up and see what I can do...

Sorry, no help here just some feedback. Mine (the DVD function) worked for 4 years before it quit. I now use an HD-A3 for DVD & HD viewing. The annoying thing is every time the 3510A is powered on, it opens the tray, close it, it opens again. I need to close a second time for the tray to stay put. Plan to open it up and see what I can do...

Have you opened yours up yet, any luck?

Weird! Mine also just quit recognizing the same DVDs it played fine for about 4 years. Single or dual layer, studio or recorded, nothing. Just read error then the tray opens.

How many out the with this problem besides us two? My firmware is the factory 1.91 (built in Nov or Dec 2003 I think).

Have you opened yours up yet, any luck?

Weird! Mine also just quit recognizing the same DVDs it played fine for about 4 years. Single or dual layer, studio or recorded, nothing. Just read error then the tray opens.

How many out the with this problem besides us two? My firmware is the factory 1.91 (built in Nov or Dec 2003 I think).
Sorry, never got around to play with it. Haven't spent much time in my theater room to get annoyed enough. Perhaps some day... Too bad for LG, I liked them for their innovation but this will not give me any brand confidence.

...Connected fine with TTerm after switching the setup speed and Com#, however the service manual isn't real clear on the procedure. I thought everything went fine but when I check the rev# I was still at 1.92 - tried the whole thing again and this time it went to the added step of compiling the code then deleting and writing to the flash memory. I'm probably lucky I didn't brick the thing the first time...

I just finished upgrading from 1.91 factory to 1.94 to see if it affected optical drive troubles, no effect. Confirmed that it doesn't play CDs either. The same happened to me: First time I tried uploading 1.93 but tterm hung at the end of the file transfer. Next I tried 1.94 and it finised fine, unpacked and programmed itself.

Next thing I'll do when I have some time is open this box and fiddle with the optical drive to see what's going on in there. Too bad to see this happen. If I bough this unit on ebay for less than $100, I wouldn't sweat it. But I bought this 4 years ago from Best Buy when it was selling between $400-$500 :mad:

If anyone is interested, I have the 1.90, 1.91, 1.93, and 1.94 firmware files as well as the LG 5000 region free patch file.

I just finished upgrading from 1.91 factory to 1.94 to see if it affected optical drive troubles, no effect. Confirmed that it doesn't play CDs either. The same happened to me: First time I tried uploading 1.93 but tterm hung at the end of the file transfer. Next I tried 1.94 and it finised fine, unpacked and programmed itself.

Next thing I'll do when I have some time is open this box and fiddle with the optical drive to see what's going on in there. Too bad to see this happen. If I bough this unit on ebay for less than $100, I wouldn't sweat it. But I bought this 4 years ago from Best Buy when it was selling between $400-$500 :mad:

If anyone is interested, I have the 1.90, 1.91, 1.93, and 1.94 firmware files as well as the LG 5000 region free patch file.

I would be interested in the firmware files that you have mentioned, PM sent:)

I would be interested in the firmware files that you have mentioned, PM sent:)

Also interested in these.

does anyone know of any device like this? I want dvd playback and HD output on a tuner...(i know none of the recorders out there do this but is there anything like this box which I currently have but the dvd is busted)

none in the US other than this one and I haven't seen a current model.

There were rumors that the 2009 version of the DVD recorders would have some high end with HD output, but so far it is all rumor. You might want to check the DVD recorders forum to see if anymore information has been released.

right but i was saying I'm aware of that problem but I wanted to know if there were any other devices like the lst-3510a that actually output from the tv tuner in HD but also have dvd playback capability in the same box

There were rumors that the 2009 version of the DVD recorders would have some high end with HD output, but so far it is all rumor. You might want to check the DVD recorders forum to see if anymore information has been released.Nope, no news.

I am thinking of buying a used lst 3510a to use its qam tuner on a cable hookup. Does anyone have experience using this feature? (pros/cons)

I am using that as a supplement to my antenna. The QAM tuner works fine, the only con is that if your cable company has multiple channels on the same frequency (I.e. 92-1, 92-2, 92-3, etc) and some are scrambled, there is no way to 'skip' the scrambled / unwanted channels without skipping all of those in that frequency.

For example if you wanted to keep 92-2 and 92-3 but not 92-1 you can only skip all 3 or none of them.

I am thinking of buying a used lst 3510a to use its qam tuner on a cable hookup. Does anyone have experience using this feature? (pros/cons)

I use the QAM tuner and no cons that I can tell...The pros are that it works flawlessly...The ONLY thing that is somewhat annoying is that if used as a QAM tuner and you want to also use the ATSC tuner...only one can be used at a time...In otherwords...the unit has to rescan for ATSC signals...but then it really is to be expected...it only has 1 input jack...

If anyone is interested, I have the 1.90, 1.91, 1.93, and 1.94 firmware files as well as the LG 5000 region free patch file.

I am interested...PM sent wit email addy...Also what exactly does the FW 'fix'???

I tried to flash a firmware on my 3510a today by following the instructions. However, when I try to erase the flash memory, it asked me to input a start sector and end sector. Has anyone encountered this before? If so, any ideas as to what the values should be? Thanks.

I tried to flash a firmware on my 3510a today by following the instructions. However, when I try to erase the flash memory, it asked me to input a start sector and end sector. Has anyone encountered this before? If so, any ideas as to what the values should be? Thanks.

Please let me know if you find out...I have gotten no reply from my above inquiry...

Bad news! I think my unit is bricked :(. The power light just flashes when I try to turn it on now. When I hit B to go to the boot menu, it just goes directly to the diagnostic menu. Is there anyway make it accept a firmware file from the boot menu? Help!

I didn't even know there was a boot menu...If you bricked your unit it would be the first that I have geard of or read about...

I tried to flash a firmware on my 3510a today by following the instructions. However, when I try to erase the flash memory, it asked me to input a start sector and end sector. Has anyone encountered this before? If so, any ideas as to what the values should be? Thanks.

O'oh! It seems that you have fallen into the service manuals lousy clarity. It must be the way they wrote it, but when you get to the step that says:

When [Download Boot Code or Application!] is displayed, enter "1" ---> (3)

It looks like you hit 3 which corresponds to "Erase Flash Memory" from the "1.Boot/App.Program Download" menu.

You see, the numbers is parantheses are not what you should press, but the steps shown on the screen capture they have in the manual, so you can follow along. Confusing, I know.

If you can still get to "1.Boot/App.Program Download" menu, press "1.Application Code" and see if it re-programs the flash and any other memory bank that was affected. Good luck and let us know how it goes.

VR

Yeah I realize this now but it's too late. I can't even get to the boot menu now. Looks like I might have to send it in :(. I'm still thinking there's gotta be some way to reset the flash memory either by shorting some pins or jumper.

I currently have an lg lst-3510a. I recently wanted to know what firmware version i have. I pressed the stop button and the vol + at the same time for a few seconds and it showed i had version 1.92. Does anyone know if there is any reason to upgrade to the highest version and how to go about upgrading it if necessary?

Can your tuner go to channel 2 if you just press "2" on the remote? That was an issue that was resolved starting with 1.92 i believe. No other firmware benefits that I am aware of, but don't quote me on that :)

I cannot direct tune channel 2...I just tune channel 3 and hit the channel down button once...I don't have the original remote either...I have a LG 6 device 'universal' remote so alot of functions I have to use the front panel for...Not a major deal but would be nice to be able to control with the remote...

Just discovered that the site is available again. Here is the link for the 3510a: http://136.166.4.200/contents/STB/LST-3510A.htm.

I actually met the, or one of the, webmasters of the site while flying and found out that it was his truck that was listed for sale on one of the web pages. If I remember correctly, the academy was not supposed to be open to the public and the link was shut down. For whatever reason it is back up now. download specs for all your LG equipment while you can.

Brett

Thanks, got 3510 and didn't realize Zenith HDV420 was at LG.

Just discovered that the site is available again. Here is the link for the 3510a: http://136.166.4.200/contents/STB/LST-3510A.htm.

I actually met the, or one of the, webmasters of the site while flying and found out that it was his truck that was listed for sale on one of the web pages. If I remember correctly, the academy was not supposed to be open to the public and the link was shut down. For whatever reason it is back up now. download specs for all your LG equipment while you can.

Brett
Can't get in to the download section...:(

Can't get in to the download section...:(
I just tried and it worked.

Ed

I just tried and it worked.

Ed

Kickazz!!! How'd you do it??? I can get to the description page but on the left at the top of the column and I click on 'Downloads' I have to list the site I want to go to and 'log-in'...What is the name of the site???

I just opened service manual

Go to audio/video above and I click set top box and got to the HDV420

I just opened service manual

Go to audio/video above and I click set top box and got to the HDV420

The service manual opens for the 3510a no problem...But that doesn't help with the download section...Unless that IS the download section...I would think 'Downloads' would be to download the latest firmware version??? Nothing else has changed...The link that is provided by brett has...to the best of my knowledge...been up for at least a year...At least it was up the last time I looked...

I am just trying to get the latest and greatest FW version so my 3510a can be all that it can be... ;)

Kickazz!!! How'd you do it??? I can get to the description page but on the left at the top of the column and I click on 'Downloads' I have to list the site I want to go to and 'log-in'...What is the name of the site???
OK - If I click on the word "Downloads" then it doesn't work. What I meant is that if I click on, for example, "service manual" then I get it.
Ed

I just finished upgrading from 1.91 factory to 1.94 to see if it affected optical drive troubles, no effect. Confirmed that it doesn't play CDs either. The same happened to me: First time I tried uploading 1.93 but tterm hung at the end of the file transfer. Next I tried 1.94 and it finised fine, unpacked and programmed itself.

Next thing I'll do when I have some time is open this box and fiddle with the optical drive to see what's going on in there. Too bad to see this happen. If I bough this unit on ebay for less than $100, I wouldn't sweat it. But I bought this 4 years ago from Best Buy when it was selling between $400-$500 :mad:

If anyone is interested, I have the 1.90, 1.91, 1.93, and 1.94 firmware files as well as the LG 5000 region free patch file.
I have 1.93 how can I get 1.94? Help Please.

PM sent

I have 1.93 how can I get 1.94? Help Please.

I also would very much like to know...

Hi, mine is running 1.91, i noticed a channel problem if i'm watching football using the QAM tuner and another game is on a channel next to it, say 74.1 and 75.1 occasionally during a commercial the signal goes blank, i have to switch the channel and go back for it to work.
It's real annoying esp during a play, does newer firmwares fix any tuner issue's?
Thanks

PM sent

Could you PM me also please???:)

Hi, mine is running 1.91, i noticed a channel problem if i'm watching football using the QAM tuner and another game is on a channel next to it, say 74.1 and 75.1 occasionally during a commercial the signal goes blank, i have to switch the channel and go back for it to work.
It's real annoying esp during a play, does newer firmwares fix any tuner issue's?
Thanks

How do you find out what FW this has???:confused:

Have you tried to search this thread?
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8182596#post8182596

Can you PM me your gmail address? I'll send you the files but not sure if there is any benefit aside from the Ch2 direct tuning.

Thanks for the link...I have Version 1.92 July 29, 2004...

Here are the files, from the LG academy (firmware) and videohelp (region-free), use at your own risk:

h++p://www.zshare.net/download/526031209b279829/

I have connected my LST-3510a to my projector and when the OTA signal is not widescreen HD, on some stations there is a narrow band of moving dots at the top of the screen. Not on all stations, and only when there is no widescreen. Anyone found a fix for this? Thanks!

Is your overscan on the PJ set to zero???

I have connected my LST-3510a to my projector and when the OTA signal is not widescreen HD, on some stations there is a narrow band of moving dots at the top of the screen. Not on all stations, and only when there is no widescreen. Anyone found a fix for this? Thanks!

As splicer implied, it's working exactly the way it's supposed to work if you're pj is set to zero overscan.

If you're pj doesn't have an overscan control then you'll probably have to add some really good masking material of no-sheen black velvet at the top of your screen and slighty zoom the image so that the closed-captioning dots fall on the masking material.

Or you can try adding a straight-edge just in front of the lens. But that usually doesn't work well because it's too hard to position and it cause the top edge of the picture to be blurry.

No, I don't think the pj has an overscan setting. It is a Sharp XR-32X business projector, but has DVI-D input w/HDCP compatibility. Would a dedicated home theater projector have a overscan setting? If so, why would my projector not have one? Anyway, the scan lines are not too bad only on some programs or commercials. Mac, your idea of masking may work, I have not finished my screen yet, but have already ordered the velvet tape. I may experiment to see if I tape a little lower than I was planning to see if that won't help some. Thanks!

I have connected my LST-3510a to my projector and when the OTA signal is not widescreen HD, on some stations there is a narrow band of moving dots at the top of the screen. Not on all stations, and only when there is no widescreen. Anyone found a fix for this? Thanks!

It is just that the projector is showing too much of the screen I think. Try shifting picture up a bit.

... It is a Sharp XR-32X business projector, but has DVI-D input w/HDCP compatibility. Would a dedicated home theater projector have a overscan setting? If so, why would my projector not have one? Anyway, the scan lines are not too bad only on some programs or commercials. Mac, your idea of masking may work, I have not finished my screen yet, but have already ordered the velvet tape. I may experiment to see if I tape a little lower than I was planning to see if that won't help some. Thanks!

Business PJs need to have zero overscan so that they don't clip off the edges of a computer desktop. I'm not familiar with very many business PJs, so I don't know if it's common or uncommon to have an overscan mode.

Some dedicated HT PJs always force about 5-10% overscan and are hated by most people because most people prefer 1:1 pixel mapping and would rather deal with the closed-cap dots and other edge artifacts in other ways.

But, most dedicated HT PJs have both modes. So most people will stick to the no-overscan mode unless the signal has artifacts at the edges and then they'll switch to overscan mode or zoom the image so that artifacts are in masking (depending on which is less of a hassle and which look they prefer).

Personally, I've found that I no longer notice the closed-cap dots so I don't bother doing anything about them unless I have guests that would be bothered by them.

Okay that answered my question. I guess I'll live with the flashing dots at the top or get a piece of velvet and mask the top half inch of the screen if it bothers me. Thank you again for the replies. This is a great board with many helpful folks.

Here are the files, from the LG academy (firmware) and videohelp (region-free), use at your own risk:

h++p://www.zshare.net/download/526031209b279829/

Sent you a PM on this... Link is no longer.

I looked with the search forum and did not find out exactly what was the "Auto-DVI" feature (or firmware bug) and if there was any way to disable it. I have two of these units and while they are great electronic devices, the resetting to 480p is annoying when I have it hooked up to my projector at 1080i. If you know of a way to circumvent this from happening, I would appreciate if you would post back. Thanks

What do you mean "resetting to 480p"???

When you turn the unit on, it flashes "Auto-DVI" in the display and reverts to 480p when it was originally set on 1080i. Doesn't do this every time but at least half of the time. I wish I could figure out why it resets some time and some time not, but I have been unable to.

Lucky you, mine resets every time. :D

Anyway, I've never heard of a way to disable it. It's definately the most annoying "feature" of the 3510a.

It wouldn't be so bad if you could change the setting with the remote. But, noooooo. You have get up and hit a frigging four button sequence involving three different buttons on the front of the unit. :mad:

The engineer that came up with that interface should be taken to Singapore and cained.

I feel for you guys...I set mine to 'DVI' and '1080i' and it stays there...Tho it has switched by itself once or twice...Always wondered what made it do that...But 99% of the time it never switches...Don't use 'Natural' for the resolution or it will change every channel that is 480 or 720 or 1080...

What do you use instead of "Natural"? I'm not sure where that setting is. I do see the aspect ratio setting that says "Set by Program" I leave that one on all the time.

I feel for you guys...I set mine to 'DVI' and '1080i' and it stays there...Tho it has switched by itself once or twice...Always wondered what made it do that...But 99% of the time it never switches...Don't use 'Natural' for the resolution or it will change every channel that is 480 or 720 or 1080...

I think that implies that the display it's hooked to doesn't have HDCP (or your display handles HDCP handshakes much better than ours). I think it's the HDCP negotiation that causes the 3510a to switch out of the HD resolutions and back to 480p.

I think that implies that the display it's hooked to doesn't have HDCP (or your display handles HDCP handshakes much better than ours). I think it's the HDCP negotiation that causes the 3510a to switch out of the HD resolutions and back to 480p.

No handshake issues...EVER...with ANY source so far ;)

I have a 51H83 Toshiba CRT HD RPTV with DVI in...

What do you use instead of "Natural"?

This is how mine is set up:

I set mine to 'DVI' and '1080i'

Mine is set the same way, I thought since the DVI signal was going through a switcher that could be the problem, but removing it from the patch did nothing to help with the problem. I remember that you could tell what firmware you were running, but can't remember how to do it. Maybe Spicer is running a newer firmware.

...
I have a 51H83 Toshiba CRT HD RPTV with DVI in...

...

IIRC, there weren't any CRT RPTV's that had HDCP. And since it's a DVI port instead of HDMI, I'd be willing to bet that your Toshiba doesn't have HDCP and that is why you never get reset.

My PJ was made during the transition from DVI to HDMI and happens to have a DVI port with HDCP. But that was the exception, not the rule.

The 51H83 DOES have DVI w/HDCP...

http://www.tacp.toshiba.com/tacpassets-images/models/51H83/docs/51H83_om_e.pdf
Page 14... ;)

Splicer, looks like your tv is HDCP compliant. I did look in your manual at a portion that said for correct HDCP operation to turn on the tv first, then turn on the playback device. It also said to reverse the procedure when turning everything off. I wonder if this is the reason my unit resets itself sometimes and sometimes not. I turned off the projector last night, but didn't turn off the Philips unit. When I turned on the projector, everything came on just fine. I think there must be a repeatable sequence that causes the unit to reset, but I don't know what it is.

In that case, you really are lucky you aren't getting resets.

I am wondering if anybody has had any issues post transition with the LG LST-3510A? I am in the Minneapolis MN DMA and apparently the Channel 25s are using a non-standard MPEG-2 audio. My LG LST-3510A displays the picture just fine, but does NOT decode the audio.

Honestly no change for me over and beyond changes the stations made...

On a completely different topic there is one change that I have come across that sorta ticks me off; I connected my 3510a to my Denon AVR 789 receiver using a DVI > HDMI cable...Then the AVR 789 to the TV using a HDMI > DVI cable...The ATSC tuner works as it should...The DVD player on the other hand does not...Actually the DVD player won't show any picture...The control panel indicates the disc is playing but nothing on screen...I can play CD and the menu shows up on screen...DVD nothing...I can connect the 3510a directly to the TV and the DVD works as it should via DVI > DVI cable...

Anyone have any suggestions??? In all honesty it is a moot point as I bought the thing for the tuner capabilities but still...;) I watch all SDVD and HD DVD using my A35 HD DVD player...

have you tested the DVI-HDMI cable on another piece of equipment? If the LG works with the straight DVI-DVI cable it should work with the other cable. I have the same setup on my LG with the exception of using a DVI-HDMI cable connector adapter and no problems. Let us know what you find out.

I am wondering if anybody has had any issues post transition with the LG LST-3510A? I am in the Minneapolis MN DMA and apparently the Channel 25s are using a non-standard MPEG-2 audio. My LG LST-3510A displays the picture just fine, but does NOT decode the audio.

I haven't seen that one, but I have seen video problems.

I think (and I might be totally wrong here) that one of stations in my area likes to use the "repeat frame" flag instead of resending the frame and that causes the 3510a to choke and generate a bunch of macroblocks. This happens with signal levels well into the "strong" range of the indicator and in perfectly clear weather and zero wind, so I know it's not any of the usual suspects for macroblocking.

While your signal strength could be fantastic that does not mean the station is receiving from satellite the best signal and/or the stations equipment can be causing this and/or the source material could be corrupted and/or what you already think is wrong...There are MANY different possibilities...

have you tested the DVI-HDMI cable on another piece of equipment? If the LG works with the straight DVI-DVI cable it should work with the other cable. I have the same setup on my LG with the exception of using a DVI-HDMI cable connector adapter and no problems. Let us know what you find out.

I don't have another TV that uses HDMI...But I doubt its the cable since everything works as it should via the cable with the exception of the DVD playback...Weird...I really am not too concerned since I don't use the DVD player but more or less it is one of those things I want to know the answer to...;)

Okay, I didn't understand that it played the broadcast content, just not the DVD. I use the DVD portion of mine quite a bit, the upscaled picture looks pretty nice.

If you have a DVD that you know doesn't have Macrovision protection on it you should try that (e.g. a DVD that you created).

If it can play that and not the other DVDs, then you know that you're having HDCP issues.

BTW, the DVD players in the 3510s tend to have a high death rate. Mine is dead and serveral other people in the old 3510a thread suffered premature failures too.

Thanks Mac...I think you hit the nail on the head...Only I think the HDCP issue is with my new Denon since there is no problem when connected directly to the TV...I don't have any other DVI > HDMI devices connected to check this theory but I will try the non macro DVD idea...I am sure I have one around somewhere...

Hello,
It's been a long time since I've posted, so please excuse me from beating a dead horse beyond recognition, but can anyone send me an email if they know of anyway to get the LST-3510A to play all DVDs, via the RGB connection, into an older analog CRT projector? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. You can also use this address;

bingocardd@hotmail.com

I don't think you can with the RGB connnection. It has something to do with the HDCP copy protection. From what I remember earlier in the thread, the real old LG models would allow it but none of the newer ones. I have three of these things and they are all the same. If you want to use the composite out it will work.

does anyone still have the region free hack/patch files? all the links for it in this thread dont seem to work anymore.

does anyone still have the region free hack/patch files? all the links for it in this thread dont seem to work anymore.

If the links are for AVS, and they are more than a few years old, the topics are in the AVS archives. Try a search there.

unfortunately the file was hosted on zshare and I cant find it anywhere else.

Welcome to the club...

does anyone still have the region free hack/patch files? all the links for it in this thread dont seem to work anymore.I have the LG5000 hack. PM me your e-mail if you still need it.

I am in the Minneapolis-Saint Paul DMA and I did a re-scan this afternoon, however, I longer have channels 2-1 or 2-2. I still do have channels 2-3 and 2-4. I have tried doing a double scan. The first one without the antenna connected and the second one with the antenna connected, but I get the same results. Does anybody have any suggestions for other things I can try.

I am in the Minneapolis-Saint Paul DMA and I did a re-scan this afternoon, however, I longer have channels 2-1 or 2-2. I still do have channels 2-3 and 2-4. I have tried doing a double scan. The first one without the antenna connected and the second one with the antenna connected, but I get the same results. Does anybody have any suggestions for other things I can try.

What do you mean you "still do have" 2-3, 2-4? You had them before the rescan? Chances are you didn't lose anything, the programming is the same just the virtual channel changed is all. You need to contact the station about the channel assignment.

Prior to my re-scan I had channels 2-1, 2-2, 2-3, and 2-4. After the re-scan I ahd 2-3 and 2-4. All of my other ATSC tuners have 2-1, 2-2, 2-3, and 2-4.

Prior to my re-scan I had channels 2-1, 2-2, 2-3, and 2-4. After the re-scan I ahd 2-3 and 2-4. All of my other ATSC tuners have 2-1, 2-2, 2-3, and 2-4.

Regardless of the numbers, are you getting the same channels?

Yes.

Prior to my re-scan I had channels 2-1, 2-2, 2-3, and 2-4. After the re-scan I ahd 2-3 and 2-4. All of my other ATSC tuners have 2-1, 2-2, 2-3, and 2-4.

Have you done a rescan on the other tuners? While you may have had 2-1 & 2-2, I don't think the programming or the station was any different from 2-3 & 2-4. In which case the redundancy isn't exactly a desirable feature so in all reality, no harm, no foul.

Prior to my re-scan I had channels 2-1, 2-2, 2-3, and 2-4. After the re-scan I ahd 2-3 and 2-4. All of my other ATSC tuners have 2-1, 2-2, 2-3, and 2-4.

I have several LG based D* based tuners and an LG LST-3410 HDD unit all of the same vintage LG manufacture. They have some problems handling the unique things KTCA, KTCI, KMSP & WFTC have done lately.

2.3. 2.4 are RF 16 the old KTCI 17. 2.1, 2.2 are RF 34 the old KTCA 2. From the bottom scanning upwards they follow the RF number, so first up 2.3, 2.4 is RF16 then it displays 2.1 and 2.2 on RF34. Channel 9 & 29 have switched -2 subchannels so the display is scanning up 9.1 on RF9, then 9.2 on RF29. 29.1 and 29.2 now scan backwards since RF9 is before RF29 so scanning upwards 29.2 then 29.1. Channel 25.1-5 (RF25) has no sound decoded on these tuners at all. I do have sound on a newer generation tuner

You may need to manually go into the channels setup page and turn on digital (DTV tab) RF34 by hand to get channels 2.1 & 2.2 back on if the scan is not picking them up. They are much weaker here 42 miles south but these earlier generation tuners had issues with stronger signal overload like you may be getting in MPLS on RF 34 which runs a lot more power than RF 16.

Ditto what w0en said. Funai DVDRs also have a problem mapping the odd channel 2 setup. My '05 Panasonic HDTV will also get no sound on the 25's, I believe the station said older tuners will not work with their Dolby decode setup. My newer tuners have no problems with audio on the 25's(TBN).
BTW has anyone else noted the awful picture quality outputted by Composite and S-video with the 3510A? I'd only been using DVI converted to HDMI but I had occasion to use the S-vid and composite the other day. It was atrocious, herringbone and washed out:( Makes me wonder if something is wrong with mine, I'd never really used those outputs before and most people probably don't. Playing my THX setup disc I could barely see any lines during the resolution test.
I searched this thread but didn't see mention of S-vid or composite PQ, everybody seemed to rave about the HD outputs.

w0en and jjeff, thank you very much for the replies. I had previously tried the double scan. (Scanning without an antenna connected, reconnecting the antenna, and then scanning again.) When I try adding from RF34 it behaves as if that channel is not present. I am now wondering if I should scan without the antenna connected, reconnect the antenna, then add RF34 manually first, and then add the remaining channels.

Coincidentally, I have a Panasonic 42" plasma and the local channel(s) 25 freezes it up. I think I had to delete it and then it behaved properly.

And, yes, I get no audio on the LG LST-3510A on local channel(s) 25. I understand that the audio configuration is common for that broadcaster nationwide , but non-standard compared to other broadcaster.

I guess as far as actual content goes, I could (should) probably care less about 2.1 & 2.1, and the 25s for that matter. I guess the amateur radio operator in me wants to have it just in case.


Jim NØJS

I use the 3510a;s composite to record shows on the computer capture card, and the PQ is fine.

I don't use the LG LST-3510A since it is in the area where my sons watch TV. They told me a few days ago that it no longer plays DVDs and simply states NO DISC even when a DVD is in the device. Does anybody have any ideas what I can do to correct this situation?

The Dvd player is pretty bad, doesnt read much,only option would find another 3510 for parts, i'm currently not using mine as QAM/ATSC comes in most TV's today

Still trying to find 1.91 FW and have had no luck! Can anyone please send me a link?

Never had an issue playing any DVD on my 3510a. Always played everything short of some burned discs.

As for the FW link, every link I had gotten has been dead. Pretty much gave up hope of ever getting it. Right now not using mine anyway. Should connect it in the bedroom, just in no hurry to.

If you do happen to find a good link, let me know though please.

Hi all, sorry for taking a long time to post an updated link to the firmware files and manuals I have saved. I hope you find it useful. Please be careful and use at your own risk:

Firmware:
LST-3510A_Firmware.rar - 9.64MB (http://www.zshare.net/download/7775512277d36b2a/)

Manuals:
LST-3510A_Manuals.rar - 9.97MB (http://www.zshare.net/download/7775511293a0600e/)

Be sure to read this post to avoid some pitfalls from LG's vague procedures:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=15121335&highlight=#post15121335

How can I check the firmware version?

Press Volume + and Stop simultaneously on the STB itself (if it doesn't work try hitting the Volume + first and then Stop simultaneously). This will put you in the service menu and the firmwareversion is displayed on the TV. Exiting is straight forward.
Firmwares are:
1.91
1.92
1.93

Well I just picked up one of the units at Goodwill and it's ver. 1.92. Everything seems to work OK though. Is there any reason to update it?
I didn't get the remote with it though. I found that my DirecTV RC64 universal remote will operate the DVD but not the HDTV part. Are there any universal remotes that will work the TV section? If so, what do you select to get the right code? I haven't seen any remotes yet that list HDTV tuners. Is it considered a TV, VCR, Directv receiver or what?

Here's the remote control (http://www.remotecontrolwarehouse.com/LG/6711R1N132B.html).
I have never found a URC that will work with the LST-350a - and I tried several.

When I got my 3510A the DVD player wouldn't work. I took it apart and found the ribbon cable that connects to the moving laser carriage was partly dislodged from the socket on the carriage. I pushed it in all the way and it works fine now so anyone having problems with the DVD player might want to try that. Too bad it's a proprietary player using a special interface and not a standard model that can be replaced when it goes bad.

My unit seemed to work fine at first but I've noticed that it has issues changing channels. If I am on a channel such as 12.1 and want to step down to say 8.2 and keep pressing the Down button it will go down to 10.1 then jump to 44.1 instead of going on down to 9. Then I have to press either the Up button or the Down button to go all the way from 44.1 to get to 8.2. I can't go directly to any channels since I don't have a remote. Does anyone know if updating firmware to 1.93 or 1.94 will fix this issue?

Just do a rescan. And get yourself a universal remote or a LG remote off ebay.

Just do a rescan. And get yourself a universal remote or a LG remote off ebay.
Rescan doesn't make any difference.
Which universal remote will work? Blessedon said he's never found a URC that will work with the LST-350a and I can't justify buying an LG remote that costs more than I paid for the LST-350a.

Well, any Harmony will work, and I bought a LG remote off ebay for like $15 shipped.

Well, any Harmony will work, and I bought a LG remote off ebay for like $15 shipped.
Then you don't really know of any universal remotes that will work? I can't afford a Harmony and the only remote on ebay costs $39.95 plus $7.95 for shipping! I do have a JP1 remote that hasn't been used in years, maybe I'll dig that out and try it.

PM me your addy, give me $23.00 via Amazon gift card, and I'll send you a LG universal remote that is a six device universal remote. Even operate your AVR if memory serves. So my answer to your question if I really knew anywhere, would have to be, yes. I have Harmony. Didn't think I had the money either. Have 3 of them now. Couldn't go back to 4 different remotes.

Hi all, sorry for taking a long time to post an updated link to the firmware files and manuals I have saved. I hope you find it useful. Please be careful and use at your own risk:
Be sure to read this post to avoid some pitfalls from LG's vague procedures:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=15121335&highlight=#post15121335
I updated my box from 1.92 to 1.93 using the .dnf file and it seemed to work OK but what are the two .bin files for? Do I need to do anything with them?

I updated the box from 1.93 to 1.94 but it still acts up when I step down through the channels from 12 to 10 then it jumps to 44 but only does it the first time after it's turned on, then it works normally. It's able to get Ch.45 now and that wasn't coming in before. This is the only box I've seen that can receive Ch.38 properly though. There is a newish Spanish channel in Phoenix on Ch.38 that calls itself K38IZ during station breaks. It has channels named oddly too, 38.1 is called IzPelic, 38.2 is IzClass, 38.3 is IzVideo and 38.4 is called IzHope. I have no idea what any of that means but 38.3, IzVideo has music videos on it. Most other tuners will only receive 38.4 and they have the video from 38.3 instead of what is supposed to be there.

I updated my box from 1.92 to 1.93 using the .dnf file and it seemed to work OK but what are the two .bin files for? Do I need to do anything with them?

So nobody knows what the .bin files are for?

I recently purchased a LST-3510A in perfect condition for $15 and am very pleased with it. I'm currently on 1.91 and am considering upgrading to 1.94 with the files generously posted by VelociRacer. I am also very curious about the .bin files. Are there supposed to be .bin files for 1.94 as well? Should I do incremental upgrades to 1.94? If so, does anyone have the 1.92 files (1.90, 1.91, 1.93 and 1.94 are present in VelociRacer's upload)? Do the .bin files get automatically uploaded to the unit if present in the same folder? Since the filenames are differently named, I suspect they must be manually uploaded somehow. Can anyone translate the .ppt file in 1.91 folder and does it contain any important info?

I noticed when editing channels:
The channel logos are somewhat dated, i.e., WB but not CWB, etc. Anyone know how to update the channel logo table to include independents, etc.? Could this be what the .bin files are for?

I found also that DTV (RF) "channels" 19, 35, 38, 42 and 47 are actually my local channels 20, 2, 39, 55 and 51, respectively (shown next to channel thumbnail in upper left of menu page). I guess the grid shows the actual DTV freqency "channel" in order but the thumbnail shows the actual (or maybe "logical") channel. I also have the "channel 2" problem others have. If I press 2-x on the keypad, nothing happens but punching in 35-x gets me channel 2-x. The other DTV channels remap automatically to the expected local channel, i.e., punching in 19-1 tunes to 20-1, etc. and I can also tune directly from the keypad using the "logical" channel, i.e., punching in 20-1 tunes to 20-1.

I also added my local channels (in numerical order) the SURF list and that works as expected.

I haven't experienced any upscaling issues (yet).

Does a firmware upgrade correct any of these issues?

Well, after more forum browsing, I guess I should stay with 1.91 so upconvert over component output works.

You won't find many (if any) users of this fine piece of equipment replying much (if at all) as this is a really older player. I have one and I love it myself. The update does correct the direct input view of channel 2, not sure about the other issue you mention. And I do not believe these players with the ch 2 bug will upconvert over component, which mine will not and has not done. And if you are connecting to a HD ready TV, the TV will do all the upconverting no matter what output you use out of the 3510a. The TV has no choice but to display material in its native resolution, either 720p, 1080i or 1080p. So upconversion should really be the least of your concerns.

I updated my unit to ver. 1.92 to 1.93 and to 1.94. I don't know if you can jump directly to 1.94 but I don't see why not. I don't see any difference except that it will get all the stations in my area now. I don't have a Ch 2 problem since there's no Ch 2 in my area. It does a good job of upscaling DVD's to play on the wide screen VGA monitor that I'm using for the TV screen.
The .bin files don't seem to be needed for anything since the update process only uses the .dnf files. I think those files resulted from someone uncompressing the .dnf file to create them and they were saved along with the .dnf files.
The .ppt Power Point file is something from LG in Korean about HDCP but I didn't try to translate it.
I don't think you can update the channel logo table yourself unless you figure out how to hack the firmware and add more icons. My unit still has the WB also. However if you use a combo DirecTV and HDTV receiver like the Hughes HTL-HD (also made by LG) that downloads the current program guide from DirecTV each time you turn it on, it keeps the icons updated all the time. The LST-350a doesn't seem to have anyway to do that though.

Hi all, sorry for taking a long time to post an updated link to the firmware files and manuals I have saved. I hope you find it useful. Please be careful and use at your own risk:

Firmware:
LST-3510A_Firmware.rar - 9.64MB (http://www.zshare.net/download/7775512277d36b2a/)

Manuals:
LST-3510A_Manuals.rar - 9.97MB (http://www.zshare.net/download/7775511293a0600e/)

Be sure to read this post to avoid some pitfalls from LG's vague procedures:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=15121335&highlight=#post15121335

I was told the link for the manuals no longer worked so I re-loaded it. These links should work now:

Firmware:
LST-3510A_Firmware.rar - 9.64MB (http://www.zshare.net/download/7775512277d36b2a/)

Manuals:
LST-3510A_Manuals.rar - 9.97MB (http://www.zshare.net/download/80654506b34b646b/)

6 goddamn years and still running strong! :D
But VCDs don't work on it anymore.
Only changed the batteries twice since I've owned it.
Who else's is still alive?

Not using mine but it still works. I love the LG stuff!

6 goddamn years and still running strong! :D
But VCDs don't work on it anymore.
Only changed the batteries twice since I've owned it.
Who else's is still alive?

Well, half-and-half.

Let's see... I may have bought mine in 2003, but definitely by 2004. So that's 7 years, possibly 8?

I still use the ATSC receiver of my 3510A to watch HD on my projector over component cables. The tuner is relatively sensitive and outperforms all my SONY product's by miles, and the schedule / content guide is WAY better too.

I run the older [original] firmware [that can't go to Channel 2 unless it's by using CH- or CH+] even though VelociRacer gave me lots of help a while back, obtaining a firmware update.

The DVD is another story, although it's probably not LG's fault.

I bought a PS3 a few years ago, and semi-retired the 3510A except for use as receiver. Once I no longer depended on it for DVDs, I applied the REGION change CD. It worked, and I was able to play some Region 2 DVDs in it. Problem is the quality wasn't very good played on my NTSC/ATSC equipment. Eventually I found another solution to play these.

I must have applied the Region change too many times or something [apparently there was a limit] because when I tried to go back to Region 1, [sometimes Region 0 didn't work for my R1 disks] it stopped playing anything at all.

I was going to try applying the firmware update as a fix for this, but never wanted to risk losing the ATSC function, so I chickened out.

Once I learned how to transcode my Region 2 disks, the DVD in the 3510A was academic because the quality was so much higher transcoded, that I wouldn't consider going back.

Maybe I'll try newer firmware at some point, but it still works for what I do with it, so right now it doesn't matter. It has outlasted my 57" SONY XBR rear projection set [by 2 years already] and I expect it will still be truck'n after a decade.

P.S. - Anyone with a suggestion on how to rehabilitate the DVD player, I'd love to hear it. I know there was a download to reset the Region Count in a newer LG model, but I wasn't sure if it would apply ok to mine, so I never tried it.

Herk, why didn't you just set it to region "0" so it would be able to play all DVDs? :D
Don't use your PS3 to play DVDs, that'll burn out the laser!

Don't use your PS3 to play DVDs, that'll burn out the laser!This is a proven FACT? If so it just proves that the PS3 is a POS. And a MAJOR class action law suit will ensue.

Not using mine but it still works. I love the LG stuff!
i got mine in 03 or 04 can't remember which. used it up until a year ago. i keep it for my backup tuner.

Herk, why didn't you just set it to region "0" so it would be able to play all DVDs? :D
Don't use your PS3 to play DVDs, that'll burn out the laser!
The 3510A would not play all DVDs when set to region 0. Took me a while to figure that out, but some titles would only play when the player was actually set to their region. I just screwed up by switching regions too much. Probably I should have known there was a limit, but I didn't.


This is a proven FACT? If so it just proves that the PS3 is a POS. And a MAJOR class action law suit will ensue.

On the PS3 laser... if it burns out, so be it. I bought it to be a Blu-Ray / DVD player. I don't do gaming on it. It is about the best Blu-Ray player on the market. Has tech and transcoding features / options [especially audio] I do not find in any other player. It upconverts DVDs pretty well, but if the DVD is not 16x9 enhanced, I usually transcode it on the PC first, then play it on the PS3 via DLNA... the quality is so much better. I love the BlueTooth remote... you can use it without "pointing it" at the PS3 - indispensable if you ask me. If it had the option to update the Blu-Ray decryption code list without updating the PS3 OS, I would be ecstatic... I do not want to give up the "Other OS" feature they took away, so I can't run the latest firmware any more.

Also, it's turned out to be a much better MediaPlayer than I expected. About half the time [maybe more] I use it to play saved DLNA content via PS3 Media Server (http://www.ps3mediaserver.org/) from my local server.

DLNA is so cool... I can play video on any TV in the whole house over my LAN - so excellent. [that has nothing to do with the PS3 especially - it's hooked to the projector in my home theater setup]

Anyway - I'm off topic by responding to these. The point in all this is - My 3510A still plays a useful part by being the ATSC HD broadcast receiver for my home theater projector. I'd fix the DVD portion if it wasn't too risky, but it's not a deal breaker to keep going the way I am.

7 years and going. ATSC tuner only, DVD died 3-4 years ago. Opened it and could not see anything obviously wrong with it. Any info on fixing would be great. But not holding my breath.

Sorry I haven't updated the fileshare link to the firmware in a while. I still have all firmware and instructions and plan on posting them again soon...

I use a HTPC on the same screen as the LG so it serves all other DVD/media player duties.

Not sure it was worth the $450 price when it came out in late 2003 early 2004. Since the DVD dies within a few years, if you spend more than $250, you paid too much :)

The DVD went out on mine as well.

Mine is just sitting on a shelf, all my TVs have a built in tuner now and I have more than enough DVD players. Everything worked the last time I tried it maybe 10?? months ago. Personally I never really cared for the DVD player part, didn't think it had the best picture quality and didn't care for the feature set. Much prefer my Sony and Pioneer DVD players.
This thing is like a tank, in both size and weight, they don't make em' like this anymore:cool:

How good is the ATSC tuner?

I need a very high performance tuner due to my bad OTA location.

A CM-7000 Channel Master OTA DTV converter box is the bare minimum level of performance and it is considered a tie with the Zenith 901 for best sensitivity tuner.

So what are the odds the LG can match that?

There is one locally FS for $50 w/o remote. I think that is a bit high considering what they bring on eBay, however, if the unit would be a good enough tuner, I might buy it.

I don't have a Channel Master to compare it to but it works well enough to get all the Phoenix and Tucson stations. I wouldn't buy one though since it's old school and all the TV's now have tuners just as good so it's time to move on. Also there are a couple of problems with mine. The tuner is very sensitive to vibrations, any time the unit or the table it's setting on gets bumped it interrupts the reception. Not all of them do that but mine does. Also, Ch. 6, the PBS station in Tucson makes it reboot about every 5-6 minutes. Newer units don't have problems with that channel but there aren't any updates for it.
I wouldn't buy one of these unless it's $5.99 at Goodwill. You can get a Sony Blu-ray player that also streams Netflix at Walmart for $79. Get a decent LCD TV to go with it and you'll be all set.

I agree with the above poster, you'll never get the performance of the CM or Zenith with a generation as old as this LG. I have all 3 devices you mentioned and I'd put the CM at the top with the Zenith being neck and neck, the LG would be many notches below those.
Personally I'm not real impressed with the DVD side either, although that seems to go against the grain of many of the earlier posts in this thread:)

How good is the ATSC tuner?

I need a very high performance tuner due to my bad OTA location.

A CM-7000 Channel Master OTA DTV converter box is the bare minimum level of performance and it is considered a tie with the Zenith 901 for best sensitivity tuner.

So what are the odds the LG can match that?

There is one locally FS for $50 w/o remote. I think that is a bit high considering what they bring on eBay, however, if the unit would be a good enough tuner, I might buy it.
I agree with the others... DON'T BUY A 3510 expecting it to be better than today's technology, except maybe Sony. [It seems Sony took a course on how to make the WORST ATSC tuners on the planet]

All my other ATSC tuners are better than the old LG. I still use mine, but it's much more temperamental than anything else in the house these days.

Sorry I can't compare it to your models directly. Hope this helps.

P.S. - If I recall correctly, it requires the remote to train and do all the settings. They can't all be done from the front panel.

Back in the day that the 3510 was the new kid on the block, it was heads and shoulders above all other tuners. I have a 3510 and the one that is the NTSC/ATSC tuner only models (4get the model of the latter) and by tuners as new as 2007, they suck. The tuners in TV's are better at rejecting multi-path and sensitivity, hands down. I have no issue with the DVD beyond it can get finicky occasionally on what it will play. Mine has been somewhat 'stored' for the past 2-3 years. $50 is reasonable for either model IMHO but only because they still beat the pants off the new CE boxes released when we went all ATSC and shut down NTSC a couple of years ago. ;)

Like the others said, the Zenith ATSC tuner will run laps around the LG. However the Zenith box is not HD.

The most annoying things about this unit are:

1. It is very picky about which type of DVD+/-R discs it will play.
2. You can't skip a subchannel with the tuner without skipping the main channel, too.

I used it for a while connected to my projector until the DVD player got to the point where it wouldn't play pressed DVD's very well. Now I have an HTPC to do the heavy lifting for the projector. The LG is in the closet somewhere.