The 880N is supposed to be released in January and it apparently supports network connections via an ethernet cable. Can anyone discuss the usefullness of these abilities. If I have a computer in a different room and connect it to the Momitsu via a network cable or via a wireless network, what can I do with it? Show pictures, play music ok....what about video? how much data can flow here and how quickly? I'm assuming games would be too demanding to transfer.

Can anyone discuss the usefullness of these abilities.

Looks like it plays VOBs over the network.

Very nice...

What this means is that you can keep part of your DVD
collection on a fileserver somewhere in the house and
access it from different parts of the house if you have an
ehternet network.

An immediate task I can put it to is to serve the multi-disk
movies like Lord Of The Rings and some of my flippers
like Amadeus and most my concert disks.

The task is being done by the HTPC at the moment and
I would like to collapse it into one unit and reduce
the clutter.

(It it works as advertised it will probably give my HTPC a
good run for its money and move it a step closer to retirement)

Thre is no release date of Momitsu V880N yet. I think it will not be released so soon...

Hey guys,

I emailed them a couple of weeks ago about a specific release date. They replied back saying there was no specific date except that they were expecting it to be late January. Hopefully it doesn't get pushed back from there.

I have only seen the KiSS players that can do something similar
but they seem to have its fair share of problems.

The Momitsu is relatively stable and the V880 at least has
reasonable good feed back on this forum.

Does anyone know of other network capable DVD players out there ?

and it is supposed to do MPEG4
If the whole thing works good, it's gonna be one of the best solutions to replace HTPC with no fuss.... one crapy PC with big hard drives far away (for the noise... ) one 880N and voila..... can't wait to read some reviews of it :)

Does anyone know if the V880N will still have the ability to output a analog signal thru the DVI like the current V880?

I also saw in another thread that it will accept video signals from other sources and output via DVI, but this was listed as "optional". I would be curious to hear further information on this as that would be an excellent feature.

I haven't seen this posted elsewhere:

On the manowa v880n page, there is an updated release date of February 2004 for "end users":

http://www.manowa.com.tw/dvdplayer880N.html

Dear customers:

Thank you for interested in Momitsu V880. V880 will available in February 2004 for end users. We will release the specific date and where to purchase soon.

Thank you
MANOWA Inrernational Inc.

Network MP4 DVD Player
DVD-V880N

I contacted tech support and they assured me the new V880s would operate exactly the same in regards to video output. So, Yes, DVI-A will still be an option on the newer V880s.

Good News!:D

Another Manowa update on the V880N page:



Dear customers:

Thank you for interested in Momitsu V880. V880 will available in March 2004 for end users. We will release the specific date and where to purchase soon.

Thank you
MANOWA Inrernational Inc.

They change from Jan to Feb and now to March 2004 ! I think they want to sell more V880 before selling the V880N !! I am not going to buy V880 until it drops to $150. :mad: By Feb, the D2 will be out.

These HDTV stuff are not new technology. they just transfer the old PC vedio to the DVD player. I have 1280x1024 (or higher) on my PC monitor few years ago.

With HDMI going to replace DVI soon, all these DVI players are short lived. My next projector, TV and receiver will have a HDMI connection.

How come they do not sell these player at USA ??? I am sure they can sell many of them here easily.

ewclam9,
Lots of us have used a HTPC for years as well. The V-880, D1 and others like it are for those of us who want an alternative to having to use a PC. Not necessarily better, just different and IMHO simpler.

FWIW.

-Juno in Phoenix. :D

is simpler a word?

i'm waiting for the 880N because of the network feature, any other player out there with this capability?

Juno,

simpler : \Sim"pler\, n. One who collects simples, or medicinal plants; a herbalist; a simplist.

(Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc. )

:):):):)

charlycui,
Yes there was another player introduced about 4 months ago that does do this.... and with some success. The downside was, despite the fact that it was a DVD player, playing DVDs is what it did not do well at all.
Go figure.

no point getting it then, can 880N stream VOB over the network?

That's a good question. The network DVD player that was reviewed was the Amoi NDP9200. The operation seemed to be very similar to a Momistu. It required that you install a program on your PC, connect your player, the software would catalog your files, then the player could find them via the network. For this particular player there was no mention of VOB files. But you could contact Manowa tech assist at Manowa.com for specification information. I'm very interested as well in this feature.

Gateway has one:

http://www.gateway.com/home/ce/dvd.shtml

I've used and returned the networked gateway dvd

It only recognized about 1/2 of the mpeg files on my server, and could only play about 1/4 of them

The prismiq, by contrast, recognized all the files and played tehm without problem


see www.prismiq.org forums for more discussion

very interesting product but it only has s-video and composite video output.
Not good enough for hi resolution playback

http://www.manowa.com.tw/dvdplayer880N.html

it seems that this player will support most of the video files including vob which is great!

the 880n is delayed to march, check their page. =(

I have been looking all over for a new dvd player and when I stumbled upon this Momitsu 880N, I though all my wishes had been answered.

However it seems like none of the urls to the manowa web site are working.

Is this right? Does anyone know what happened?

BTW- I bought the Samsung HD391 last Friday and promptly returned it on Sunday. I saw no difference on the DVI output when compared to a $70 dvd player using component out. Infact, the DVI output was worse, I had to make adjustments to my plasma to get get the image to fit correctly.

Can anyone tell me how the Momitsu players perform? Is the picture quality noticably better?

(my plasma is the Viewsonic 450HD)

just checked manowa's website, they are working fine for me

Do you think all the problems with the current Momitsu V880 will be fixed in this version?

See the other new FW thread. Good reports so far, and another firmware will be out soon.

any word yet on whether this new model will be HDPC compliant ?

Well, It's march and there is no update at the manowa website- still says:

"Thank you for interested in Momitsu V880. V880 will available in March 2004 for end users. We will release the specific date and where to purchase soon."

I guess it's airware.

Originally posted by ICrainbows
I haven't seen this posted elsewhere:

On the manowa v880n page, there is an updated release date of February 2004 for "end users":

http://www.manowa.com.tw/dvdplayer880N.html

Dear customers:

Thank you for interested in Momitsu V880. V880 will available in February 2004 for end users. We will release the specific date and where to purchase soon.

Thank you
MANOWA Inrernational Inc.

Network MP4 DVD Player
DVD-V880N


Any news- March isnt getting longer now...?

I just got an email from Manowa this morning: April 15th.

Mike

Originally posted by Mike Karolitzky
I just got an email from Manowa this morning: April 15th.

Mike

Did they give you a price?

So this Player isn't out Yet...
I was just on this site,
Momitsu DVD-V880 (http://www.extremephono.com/momitsu_dvd_v880.htm)
*Price is $247.*
Was thinking about picking one up...
Wanted to see of what 'Yall' thought about it...
I would be hooking it up to a GWIII XBR.

Any info would Help... ThX

So what's the possibility that the 880 issues (i.e., loader) were remedied in this version?

Originally posted by Mike Karolitzky
I just got an email from Manowa this morning: April 15th.

Mike

How many times they lie to us ? What a shame.

IO Data has one for Japan...

http://www.iodata.com/news/releases.php?newsID=9&tot=15&ts=4&tsc=22

I see that Extremephono now has the 880N listed at 399 with Late May arrival.

The IO Data player looks pretty good to me. Feature-wise, it's almost identical to the Momitsu V880N player except that it doesn't have the region-free capability (a major point for me). It even outputs 720p and 1080i from the component outputs.

Momitsu has updated thier site take a look, looks like late may, 399

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Tong Chia
[B]Looks like it plays VOBs over the network.

Very nice...

What this means is that you can keep part of your DVD
collection on a fileserver somewhere in the house and
access it from different parts of the house if you have an
ehternet network.QUOTE]

Tong ,

How do you creat a VOB, or can you just copy it from teh DVD? Is the VOB the actual movie?

A new picture and a release date in on the new Momitsu web site.
They are taking orders now for future delivery. It seems that it also has
a usb port that can hook up to an external hard drive. Would this make
it possible to store part of a dvd collection on the hard drive?

Momitsu new web site below.


http://www.momitsu.com/

The 880N looks like it could really be the answer to what I am looking for. I have lurking about any DVI upscaling DVD players since last August and starting to get impatient (waiting on the Sammy 941 [hope no black or white crush], vs. Bravo D3) but the V880 and now the V880N seems to be a good option. Unfortunately I can not use the V880 thanks to their IR codes being similar to Pioneer's IR codes. My question is:

Does anyone know if the new V880N will have a good set of IR codes that will not conflict with out MAJOR name brand IR codes? It seems ridiculous to me that I even had to ask this on a $400 device. For me Manowa really dropped the ball on this one.

I would suggest that you email them from the link on the new website and
ask them the question about the code conflict. Please post when you get an answer.

http://www.momitsu.com/

I just discovered that there is a link to the new 880N user manual on
the new website.

http://myweb.hinet.net/home1/alwaysonline/V880N_manual_final.pdf

I looked over the manual and this unit is amazing. It seems to offer unlimited options and a fair price.

1. New Remote
2 Can accept USB cards and hard drives
3. Can accept wired or wireless connection (Usb 1.1. I wish it was 2.0)
4. New media software included (see manual)
5. Can accept most formats
6. Dvi upscaling output.

will sync with iTunes.

how would i connect the ethernet to my computer?

it has an ethernet port for hard line and PC slot for wireless.

yeah but to access my computer files where would it connect to?

you would need to have your PC hooked into either a router/hub/wireless or directly to the DVD player.

Sorry if i am being dumb right now,

My computer is hooked up like this. I have a router hooking up my computer, my xbox, playstation 2 and there is one more slot left on the router.

Would i connect the cable from the dvd player to the router or to a slot on the computer?

sure would. I do not have one but the manual say you can use DHCP or static IPS. But plugs it into the lasy slot in your router.

ok.... cool..... its too bad it doesnt play quicktime videos.... i would love to see trailers on my tv.

hello mr. westley,

does it have all the features that latest v800 firmware got? ie. screen saver, picture adjustment, custom resolution ect ect ect ????

Thanks

baja

Originally posted by rwestley
I looked over the manual and this unit is amazing. It seems to offer unlimited options and a fair price.

1. New Remote
2 Can accept USB cards and hard drives
3. Can accept wired or wireless connection (Usb 1.1. I wish it was 2.0)
4. New media software included (see manual)
5. Can accept most formats
6. Dvi upscaling output.

The site link says nothing about WMV9 support for the V880N :( :( .

Originally posted by woodgab
The site link says nothing about WMV9 support for the V880N :( :( .

They definately use the nice Sigma chip (like the Bravo) but of the old type. I dont think this version will do WMV9. I would not be surprised if we have an upgraded ver. soon.

Does the Momitsu V880/V880N play Divx?

Hi BajaFishin

I wish I could answer your questions. I hope and expect that it has the
same features as the new V880 firmware. It is going to use the Sigma
chip. I wish that it would also support WMV9.
I still have a few other questions that you did not ask:

1. How can it be made region free?
2. Can Macrovision be turned off?
3. Can it upscale via DVI and component to 720p & 1080I
4. Can you do your own settings via a special menu?

I think (I'm guessing) but not sure, so don't take my words for it -

The only different between V880 and V880N is that V880N is network capable, that's it, other than that, it's the same identical unit.

Baja

SpeedyHTPC,

I don't use Mpeg4 / Divx, but the box and manual state that the 880 does.

Jim

Pretty sure no Windows Media Video support like th eD3 is supposed to have, if that could be an firmware upgrade that would great.

bollingm,

I too agree that WMV would be great. Hell I'd love to have WMA also.

Jim

For those interested, the Momitsu Media Center version 1.1 for the v880N is posted here:

h t t p://digitalversion.myweb.hinet.net/mmcpc-v11.exe

This is a 26Mb download. Installs and runs on Win XP ok. I have no ability to test or confirm server functionality.

Sorry for the inactive link; this forum has a rule limiting link posting to those who have posted at least three prior posts....something about an anti-spammer technique.

Originally posted by DrCee
For those interested, the Momitsu Media Center version 1.1 for the v880N is posted here:

h t t p://digitalversion.myweb.hinet.net/mmcpc-v11.exe



A big 404 on the link there DrCee.

Philby

There is something wrong with the link information for the Momitsu
Media Center. If anyone has the correct link would you please post.

Thanks

Sorry about the 404 link. Looks like they took the file down. I have it locally. If someone has a place I can post it to I'll post right away (26Mb+). Please advise...

Discovered MMC 1.1 app by mangling the url starting here:

h t t p://digitalversion.myweb.hinet.net/cypress_shop/cypress_shop.html#v880n

Played with MMC a bit while I wait (im)patiently for the v880n's to be released.

Started up mmc on my lame PC. MMC1.jpg shows 4 possible screens.

Pointed my browser to my PC IP address, port 8000 (port configurable).
MMC2.jpg in upper left shows v880n home page. Selected movies; MMC2.jpg shows results. Bottom of image shows web server response to Play selection in browser

My system thrashed for quite a while as it searched for and indexed the various media files.

MMC appears to be written in java and is running apache tomcat 4.1.30. Mangled the url to force a 404 error to get it to cough up its web/app server type.

dc

First image:

Second image:

DrCee,

Can you post the app somewhere?

Thanks

Philby

Would be glad to post it but I don't have any facilities to do such. If you know a place to post please let me know.

I'm browsing. I'm surfing.

And I discover a fully networked Media Center box with DVD drive (aka networked DVD player)? Wow!

I am crossing my fingers I can finally:
1) archive store bought DVDs to an in-home file server
2) I can share videos and photos over the internet with family if I set up a server
3) And I get one interface for the WAF

Any DLP owners out there? How does the Momitsu perform today for a DLP set?

Anyone having playback issues with DVD X Copy burned disks with todays Momitsu 880?

If the answer is "works awesome" to both questions, I am pre-ordering now!

If this does what it seems to be advertising, then Roku has been trumped!

Seems the big brands would be far behind?

I am using DVD shrink and have no problems with burned disks playing an
the Momitsu V880. I am also thinking of getting one, I would love to
store pictures and movies on a server and have the ability to upscale to
720p to use on my Z2

Originally posted by Juno
I contacted tech support and they assured me the new V880s would operate exactly the same in regards to video output. So, Yes, DVI-A will still be an option on the newer V880s.

Good News!:D

That's funny. When I was trying to decide about the V880, Tech support said "v880 has only digital output on the DVI port"

:D

So keep your hopes up
Clay

Originally posted by poolboyclay
That's funny. When I was trying to decide about the V880, Tech support said "v880 has only digital output on the DVI port"

:D

So keep your hopes up
Clay

The "tech support" guy was wrong. There is both Analog & Digital on the DVI port.

Hammer

Originally posted by rwestley
I would suggest that you email them from the link on the new website and
ask them the question about the code conflict. Please post when you get an answer.

http://www.momitsu.com/

Well I did email them and here's the response:

"We had tested V880N with Pioneer devices ad it will not conflict with
Pioneer devices.

Thank You
Momitsu Sales"

Now I'm just eagerly awaiting a AVS member's review of unit that they have in their hands.... Crossing fingers that there is no Black or white crush over DVI (shouldn't right, since the original V880 didn't have these issues).

Anyone get any feedback on ETA of shipping from the US internet sites for the US model? I forgot to ask that in my email. Hadn't someone posted a link with sites taking pre-orders? Was there any mention of really shipping. Thanks.

After I did all the Mod to my V880, it's solid as a rock.
I won't be upgrade any time soon, not untill the blue ray or HD- DVD are out; I already got 2 DVI players.

Why V880N? Just because it's nework cabable?

Baja

I just check the Momitsu site and Cyprus claims that the estimated shipping date is May 24th for the V880N

Saw May 24th too.

I'm in the pre-order!

Baja what upgrades did you do?

I wonder if the Momitsu app will work in Linux? Lots of file servers out there are Linux.

Originally posted by BajaFishin
After I did all the Mod to my V880, it's solid as a rock.
I won't be upgrade any time soon, not untill the blue ray or HD- DVD are out; I already got 2 DVI players.

Why V880N? Just because it's nework cabable?

Baja

Baja what mods did you do? If I order the V880 (regular version) now, does it come with all the latest firmwares or do I have to do it myself? Thanks

If you go to one of the two US dealers, you will see their guarantee for service and that the unit comes with the modified drive and latest firmware.

http://www.momitsu.com/buy.html

Originally posted by Kurozuguchi
Baja what upgrades did you do?


Originally posted by Jonathann_K
Baja what mods did you do? If I order the V880 (regular version) now, does it come with all the latest firmwares or do I have to do it myself? Thanks

I don't want to repeat myself, but here is the post and pictures.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=3317850#post3317850

Baja

Originally posted by melechmet
I wonder if the Momitsu app will work in Linux? Lots of file servers out there are Linux.

My bet is on an open source version of the mmc app or at least an official Linux release. I know mmc is written n java after doing some tests with. Depending what library's, if any, that they used, a simple jar rebuild may do the trick. Regardless, I have little doubt that a minor effort could yield an equivilent capability based on apache tomcat and some reverse engineering of the get/post v880n to mmc server.

Once again, if anyone desires the mmc-v11.exe (26Mb) please suggest a location for me to post it.

I downloaded the manual, and it shows a USB 1.0 slot on the back. Can I hook this up to a USB hard drive filled with all the VOB files. Will the movies play flawlessly?

I also "flipped" through the manual for V880N and they do mention using the USB for external HDs and key fobs (USB mem sticks). But my question is did anyone else think they read something about using a Keyboard? I would imagine a USB keyboard might work but I'm not sure. I think I saw it under the setup section. Could make entering IP #s and other settings a touch faster. *Shrug*

FlyOnTheWall:


What goin on? Been reading up on the posts about this DVD player, and it looks like a dream come true. It looks like it only works with PC for now, do you know if the manufacture has any plans on making this work with Apple OS X 10.26 and beyond. U have said it was done mostly in Java, so I would hope someone would tweak the code to work with MAC and Linux.


Momitsu is silent on whether or not they will publish a Mac or Linux variant of MMC. If the do publish these variants I would expect that event to be some time after their initial W$ launch May 24.

What has been exposed recently is the possibility that networked A/V appliances such as the V880N are implementing proprietary html get/posts structures. For example, my browser normally interprets the html post stream from a web server. When I query the MMC server, my browser just displays the raw html post from the server because it doesn't know what to do with it, as expected. Now, I am very interested in knowing whether there is an html/xml standard by which well behaved networked A/V appliances communicate with a web server. If there is a standard AND if Momitsu complied with it then there is a strong possibility the MMC server can be replaced with any A/V appliance web server without custom code. Otherwise, I'll but my bet on the Linux community coming through with an open source solution that will also compile/run on a Mac, should Momitsu drop this ball.


Also, I have downloaded the manual, and it shows USB connection on the back of it. Can this be hooked up to a USB hard drive, to store and watch movies in the VOB format?



This is really two questions: Regarding the usb port, I'm disapointed that is 1.1 vs 2.0. That said, usb storage devices are supposed to be treated as just another source of media, browsable and playable. No idea though what file systems will be supported.

Second part of your second question: Since MMC recognized vobs when I tested it, this leads me to believe vobs will be playable independent of where they are stored. But I have some reservations about how they will handle a ripped DVD: will the MMC/V880N deal with all the ripped vob and other files such that the user experience is that of a movie coming from a DVD in the loader?

Or will one have to add all the vobs into a play list in the correct order and then ???

I'm hoping this formula is true: V880N's usb media + vobs play = one sweet capability.

If this Momitsu is like the V880 (without N) it is based on a Sigma Designs processor and prototype --- there are several open source projects that work with all of the current Sigma based network players to various extents including the Kiss 500 series which has the same processor expected in the Momitsu V880N so I imagine you will be able to host the server stuff on any platform that can run apache.

the only concern i see w/ the networking capabilities is that the wireless option is only 802.11b ... you won't be able to stream dvds w/ a wireless connection using 802.11b (w/ the new 802.11g, you'd have no problems)... if you go wired... you won't have any problems in that department either

Go wired! Should almost be a must for the HT crowd.

I second what whiskaz said... plus another consideration.

Let's see here.... start streaming wirelessly from Local PC server to V880N player in nice HT room. Get up and make popcorn in a microwave unfotunately located between WiFi tranmistter/receiver and V880N. Friends and family in HT room start yelling about the movie/show braking up into a nice digitized image and stuttering sound. :) Umm Wireless + interference....

I'm going good old CAT-5e.

Now if they'd only shipping these puppies and let a first round of AVS members buying it to put out good reviews.

second vote for wire!!

kinda sux you have to pay for that wireless capability though and not get to use it :)

but some people love to run cable :D

i think its an obsession right up their with buying HT equipment...

My name is Jeremy Jones

and I'm a HT Addict

does anyone know if swapping the non-us power plug that comes with the 880 for any old us power plug that fits the back... would cause a problem?

Been looking around for some open source media centers that may work with this 880N. Has anyone come across any. Looking specifically for one that works on OS X. I know its tough to say if it will work or not, just wondering if anyone has been doing research onthis topic.

any new news on this dvd player?

just waiting for release.

Mine is supposedly shipping May 24th. Fingers crossed. :)

Any ideas if there is a way you could hack the software and use the network to stream what's playing on your desktop?

Unfortunate to make this announcement that the 5/24 release for V880N is being delayed. We did not want to accept pre-order or prepayment as we anticipated the difficulties of launching a new product on time.

Originally posted by Extremephono
Unfortunate to make this announcement that the 5/24 release for V880N is being delayed. We did not want to accept pre-order or prepayment as we anticipated the difficulties of launching a new product on time.

Can you say by how much? 1 Month? Six months?

I knew it!

WWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA :(

Originally posted by duffin
Can you say by how much? 1 Month? Six months?

The extremephoto website says:

"V880N: Based on Momitsu's latest information, the V880N launch originally scheduled for 5/24 no longer holds, we are expecting a 3-4 weeks delay, i.e. late June. "

http://www.momitsu.com/dvd_880nspec.html

I think a firmware update would allow the super-G cards to be used.. I mean it's got a pcmcia slot so why not? 108mbps card so approx~ 50mbps throughput would be enough to stream dvds or mpeg off the the pc.

Can someone tell me if a receiver is required for dts. It says dts out in the specs so does it decode dts for you?

Originally posted by afterhourz

I think a firmware update would allow the super-G cards to be used.. I mean it's got a pcmcia slot so why not? 108mbps card so approx~ 50mbps throughput would be enough to stream dvds or mpeg off the the pc.


The V880N is quite likely still built on top of uClinux. This means that the cards that are most likely to work are those which already work under Linux. 802.11g drivers for Linux are just starting to come out, so it might be a while before embedded vendors integrate any support.

Originally posted by mswilson
The V880N is quite likely still built on top of uClinux. This means that the cards that are most likely to work are those which already work under Linux. 802.11g drivers for Linux are just starting to come out, so it might be a while before embedded vendors integrate any support.

I think if this feature was incorporated quickly, this dvd player would be "the best dvd player" winner considering the price.

Originally posted by afterhourz
I think if this feature was incorporated quickly, this dvd player would be "the best dvd player" winner considering the price.

Not necessarily. If it's still built on the Sigma Design EM8500 one-chip digital media processor (and I don't have any reason to suspect that it won't be), the deinterlacer won't be great. I've not seen the output of a EM8500-based player - I'm just going on information from the DVD shootout.

I still want to get my hands on this player, but it's the networked media features that I find interesting, not the overall PQ. I think that it's possible that the Samsung DVD-HD941 could fix the black level and MPEG artifacts that are in the HD931 to be a better overall DVD player for a cheaper price.

Anyone have the phone # to Cypress Ltd. Directshop? My email to them to cancel the pre-order or use the funds to purchase a V880 unit has gone unanswered.

Originally posted by DrCee
For those interested, the Momitsu Media Center version 1.1 for the v880N is posted here:

h t t p://digitalversion.myweb.hinet.net/mmcpc-v11.exe


Was anyone able to get a copy of this before it was taken down?

Now, if we could get this thing to play WM9 HD files ... (me dreaming)

It would be nice if someone offered a DVD player that had all the features: WM9 HD discs, Networked, DivX playback, All formats of burned DVD and CDs, both Hi-Rez audio, DVI and HDMI connectors (or guarantee of no HDMI to DVI issues, this scares me on the Sammy 941), discrete IR codes, upscale custom resolutions, region and macro-vision options, and I'm sure I'm forgetting some of them.

Unfortunately this fictitious player would not be in the $300-$500 price range so it's either Hi-Res audio (Sammy 941) OR WM9 (Bravo D3) OR Networked (Momitsu V880N). Those are what I consider the BIG features and the ones that seem to be unfortunately mutually exclusive.

To get back on topic, anyone who preordered a V880N get an email with more information? Any notice from Momitsu floating around on the delay? I am very eager to get to read the first reviews from fellow AVS members... Here's to hoping for no loader problems. :)

Originally posted by Beaker1024
To get back on topic, anyone who preordered a V880N get an email with more information? Any notice from Momitsu floating around on the delay? I am very eager to get to read the first reviews from fellow AVS members... Here's to hoping for no loader problems. :)

Here is some information. I asked Cypress to cancel the pre-order and apply funds to a new V880. They've gone silent and haven't responded.

I was hoping to provoke a response that either they would have it by X date or yeah, delay justifies refund.

Hmm, this doesn't smell good. While they were taking preorders they were returning emails very quickly. Now, my emails have also gone unanswered.

If they are taking the money and running we may have a problem. I don't believe that credit card companies will do chargebacks against paypal.

Has anybody heard anything from Cypress? They are listed on Momitsu's site as an authorized dealer and I searched the formum and there seemed to be many possitive experiences ordering 880's from them.

I hope that I am just being paranoid.

Matt

I am getting my V880 serviced and asked about 880N;

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Dear Sir:

In order to assist you, could you provide us your s/n number and your sales information.

V880N will start sale in June.

Best Regards,
Momitsu Customer Support
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Ps. Got that reply 2 days ago....

Just to be clear, I wasn't accusing anyone of anything. I'm sure that there is nothing fishy going on.

I guess that I just got used to his almost unbelievably quick replies. I'll give him a couple more days. :)

I'm sure everyone else has gotten the email but just in case.

(I'm not cancelling)

Dear Customers:



Thank you for shopping with us at Cypress Ltd.

According Momitsu Technology Inc., V880N will be delay about 4 weeks because of large demanding in Japanese market.



We had received your payment and we processed your order. Currently we suggest the following alternative option for all customers who already ordered V880N:.



1) Full among refund

2) If you would like to change your order to V880, please send us an e-mail.
We will ship V880 and a check for the difference. We will offer you a free shipping upgrade via FedEx express.



Please send us an e-mail to us to verify your decision. Once again, thank you for giving Cypress Ltd. your business. We apologize for V880N delay. If you have any suggestions for how we might improve our service to you, please email us at digital.version@msa.hinet.net



Best Regards,

Cypress Ltd.

Sales

I too finally received a response.

They are switching my order to the V880.

I'm still very interested in the 880n. The delay is killing me. I am most interested to see how well the networking feature works.

Mike

Since the demand is high in the Japanese market, is there anyone in the Japanese market who has one? Anyone?

Mike

What happen to V880N?? All these talk.

On January was said to be release on March.
On March was said to be release on April.
On April was said to be release on mid May.
and now - Late June????

I think they never gonna release it. And if it got release, it's gonna be buggy as he!!.

I'm happy with my V880 - F@(# the N series

Baja

Momitsu 880N

Any news ?

Still no news @ Momitsu homepage:mad:

Greetings
Scuba

Lets keep this bumped!!

Would be nice if they could add a RS232 port or at the very least a IR port on the back of the unit!

Does the 880 output composite at all times?

So there is still no news about the launch of the Momitsu N-player?

Are there any other shipping or announced players with the same features? HD upconversion (especially over analog and DVI outs) and network playback being the biggies?

Can someone explain "network playback." Thanks.

Originally posted by Hi Deaf
Can someone explain "network playback." Thanks.

The way I understand it, the 880N (as opposed to the 880 now available) can play files served up by a PC server app (and PC version of iTunes for music.) This will allow you to play ripped DVD files, view photos, play MP3s, etc... that are stored on a PC on your LAN. I am currently doing this with an HTPC, hi-def card, and front end software, and it works pretty well, but it is not the most WAF friendly or 100% reliable at this time. A STB version would be sweet, especially with the HD scaling as well.

At this time, the only ways I know of to play ripped DVDs, photos, and music from a PC hard drive over LAN, AND play discs on the machine locally are:HTPC, hacked XBox, and myth-TV linux box. The HTPC can give you everything (HD scaling via good video card, playback of everything file wise, etc..) but is complex to set up, remote control and keep running. The Xbox looks promising if you can hack to have someone hack it, but I do not think the video quality will match these other options or scale to HD resolution. The myth solution UI looks very cool but you need to know linux to get it running, and I am not sure how well IR remote control works either.

Ideally we could have a box just like the Momistu (even better if it had DVDA/SACD) and it would play these network files without running a server app on a PC. Even if I get ahold of an 880N, I still need to have a PC up and running all the time with their software to enable network playback. If it would play the files from a NAS and not have to run server software on a PC, it would be ideal. Anyone know of any solutions on the horizon like that?

"play these network files without running a server app on a PC"

You could do that using an external hdd via the usb connection on the Momitsu. It's not a NAS device technically but close enough for what you want.

Originally posted by afterhourz
"play these network files without running a server app on a PC"

You could do that using an external hdd via the usb connection on the Momitsu. It's not a NAS device technically but close enough for what you want.

Interesting. But isn't the USB going to be 1.1, not 2.0? If that is the case, how would it have the speed to play VOB files from a ripped DVD? I understand for pics for MP3, but I can't see how movies could be done unless it is 2.0 (I hope I'm wrong and it is.) I wonder if a USB hub w/ multiple HDs would work? I have a four drive cage that holds four 250GB drives. It connects via one firewire or two USB 2.0 cables to the PC now. If the Momitsu could see both bridgeboard cards in the cage (and all four drives therfore), I could lose a server on my network.

Does anyone know if the Momitsu will support DVD menus (IFO files) from the network or USB connections? I like to rip exact copies w/ all menus, not just VOBs. This is the only downside to an Xbox w/ XMC now...it cannot support DVD menus from files.

Originally posted by mikemav
Interesting. But isn't the USB going to be 1.1, not 2.0? If that is the case, how would it have the speed to play VOB files from a ripped DVD? I understand for pics for MP3, but I can't see how movies could be done unless it is 2.0 (I hope I'm wrong and it is.) I wonder if a USB hub w/ multiple HDs would work? I have a four drive cage that holds four 250GB drives. It connects via one firewire or two USB 2.0 cables to the PC now. If the Momitsu could see both bridgeboard cards in the cage (and all four drives therfore), I could lose a server on my network.

Does anyone know if the Momitsu will support DVD menus (IFO files) from the network or USB connections? I like to rip exact copies w/ all menus, not just VOBs. This is the only downside to an Xbox w/ XMC now...it cannot support DVD menus from files.

I have been wondering this as well, and have contacted Momitsu Support a few times. Each time they have not given me a definate answer about the support of VOB files from the an external 1.1 USB hard drive. I would also like to make full DVD rips and store them on external drives.

I am also awaiting an email about possible MAC OS X support as I would hate to dig my PC out of the closet to use it as a server...

It's listed as a USB 1.1 port which would allow for a theoretical 12mbps. Hopefully this should be able to stream a 90 min file that's about 1GB in size. I have a feeling that this size may not stream smoothly. Full dvd rips are out.. but compressed divx files should work... maybe files limited to around 700mb... and also I don't see .ifo files as a supported format.

This is what's on the site: supported extentions via ethernet.
• Video-on-demand supporting
- MPEG 1 VCD format (1150Kbps CBR) (.mpg, .mpe, .mpeg, .dat, .m1v)
- MPEG 2 up to 9Mbps (.mpg, .mpe, .mpeg, .m2v, .vob, .vro)
- MPEG 4 (OpenDivX, XviD, RMP4) (.m4v, .avi, .divx, .xvid, .rmp4, .mov, .mp4)
- AVI audio codec : MP3, AC3, PCM, WMA, Ogg
- MOV : 3ivX + MP3, 3ivX + PCM, 3ivX + AAC (3ivX converted from supported MPEG 4 video codec using Dr. DivX II for MAC OS)
- MP4 : MP4V + MP4A (AAC) (only support non-hinted MP4)

Originally posted by FlyOnTheWall
I have been wondering this as well, and have contacted Momitsu Support a few times. Each time they have not given me a definate answer about the support of VOB files from the an external 1.1 USB hard drive. I would also like to make full DVD rips and store them on external drives.

I am also awaiting an email about possible MAC OS X support as I would hate to dig my PC out of the closet to use it as a server...

Small world....I am a Mac user as well. Let us know if you hear back from them. Thanks

and I am another one. happy mac user....can't wait to find out more. Lets hope in Mac OSX compatibility, it would then be a no brainer for me. I must sau though, I would really be very very surprised.

Whoa so this thing will allow me to hook my 200GB drive full of MP3s and just pull off of the drive and play on my stereo?

That sounds cool.

Maynerd

Originally posted by mikemav
Are there any other shipping or announced players with the same features? HD upconversion (especially over analog and DVI outs) and network playback being the biggies?

I-O DATA had similar product sold in Japan.

http://www.cdfreaks.com/news2.php?ID=8426

http://www.iodata.jp/prod/multimedia/video/2003/avlp1dvd/index.htm

But, it could not paly DVD via DVI.

Originally posted by TUFU
I-O DATA had similar product sold in Japan.

http://www.cdfreaks.com/news2.php?ID=8426

http://www.iodata.jp/prod/multimedia/video/2003/avlp1dvd/index.htm

But, it could not paly DVD via DVI.

hmmmm - What is the DVI for if it can't play DVD???? :confused: :confused:

Originally posted by BajaFishin
hmmmm - What is the DVI for if it can't play DVD???? :confused: :confused:

When you play files or DVD from your PC via network, you can choose ouput via DVI. But when you play DVD with DVD player itself, you can only choose ouput via component not DVI.Someone bought this had said so, also the web had this mentioned. I do'nt know why.

Wow, so many MAC users... I love it. Has anyone done research on any open source media centers that are unix based that may work for this 880N and OS X.

I downloaded the Media Center from Neutron from there website, they haev one that will work for OS X, but just wondering if this, or something like this, will work for te 880N?

Originally posted by afterhourz
I don't see .ifo files as a supported format.
[/B]

When I was playing with the server side Momistu Multimedia Center application (mmcpc-v11.exe) the application did not recognize .IFO files. Thus one may not have the convenience of menu driven dvd playback over the net using the v880n. I'm hoping the mmcpc version 11 is an alpha grade version and that the final release will include support for the IFO file type. Anyone else play with mmcpc yet and have any comments?

Why would they have changed the DVI-A output so that is can not send the analog 720 or 1080 video out of it like the V880 can on the internal DVD drive usage? That just not make sense?

I've been playing around with the MMC application that DrCee provided me. I've come across some very interesting things.

First, the software is developed by a company named Syabas (http://syabas.com/). The client side (what runs on the V880N) is called myiBox. The server is myiHome. It looks like these devices also use Syabas' software:

TRANSGEAR DVX-500
http://www.transtechnology.co.jp/products/hard/det/dvx-500.html

AVeL LinkPlayer
http://www.iodata.jp/prod/multimedia/video/2003/avlp1dvd/index.htm

PC-MP2000/DVD
http://buffalo.melcoinc.co.jp/products/catalog/item/p/pc-mp2000_dvd/

MediaWiz
http://www.vertexlink.co.jp/product/vertexlink/mediawiz/
http://www.vertexlink.co.jp/product/vertexlink/mediawizplus

EyeHome
http://www.elgato.com/index.php?file=products_eyehome

Probably the most interesting device:

Neuston Virtuoso MC-500
http://neuston.com/en/mc500.asp

(note that the Neustron MC-500 and the MediaWiz look identical)

The MC-500 already has Media Center downloads for OSX and Linux! This is a good sign that Syabas provides software to its licensees for non-Windows platforms, so Momitsu should be able to provide it without much work. In the worst case, you should be able to use pretty much any vendor's server, as long as there isn't too much customization going on.

I downloaded the Linux server from Neuston and fired it up. It required a JRE and a bit of manual configuration, and it was a bit buggy. But that might not matter in the long run.

There are several Japanese projects that are building media servers for these devices. It looks trivial to do, since there is a built in web browser that actually implements what's shown on the device. So far I've found:

http://www.geocities.co.jp/SiliconValley-Cupertino/2647/
http://www.geocities.co.jp/SiliconValley-SanJose/3271/
http://www3u.kagoya.net/~kkuroda/pc_mw.htm

Also of note - there is a web site designed to be a portal page for the myiBox based devices. You can browse it here: http://myboleh.com/myihome/index.jsp

So - on the question of support for .IFO files -- I've not seen anything that indicates that it's supported. I've been unable to find anything but Kaleidescape (http://www.kaleidescape.com/) that is really geared toward full DVD on demand (including menus). And that's waaay out of my price range.

Here are some screenshots of the media center running on Linux. First, the main menu (as would be seen on the device:)

Video list:

Configuration application (main menu)

Configuration application (video file screen)

WOW.. great Info mswilson. I did research on this unit back when I found it online, and compared it to the 880N. I now dont see many differences? I know the Neustron doesnt have a DVD player in it, but what else is it missing. This has a USB and ethernet connections, so will this play entire "ripped" movies from a USB device or the ethernet connection? I dont see that it says it plays VOBs?

mswilson... What are your plans. Are you hoping to buy the 880N, and then use another media center for it to run on a mac or linux?

Originally posted by FlyOnTheWall

mswilson... What are your plans. Are you hoping to buy the 880N, and then use another media center for it to run on a mac or linux?

Well, I was pretty excited about the V880N when I first saw it. But I don't want to sacrifice DVD playback quality for the novelty of a built-in networked media player. Since there are plenty of devices built on the Sigma Designs boards and Syabas software, I'm thinking I might want to look at a higher quality player for my DVD playback and get a standalone networked media client later. A solution that would let me stream the entire contents of DVDs (including menus) is really what I'm after.

The DVD benchmark on the Bravo D1 (here (http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/cgi-bin/shootout.cgi?function=search&articles=all&type=DVD+Player&manufacturer=43&maxprice=0&deInt=0&mpeg=0)) has me concerned about depending on the deinterlacer that's built in the Sigma Designs based devices. I'm trying to decide if I want to go for a standalone video processor driven by a high quality signal or wait for some new players with quality deinterlacers like the Samsung HD-941 or the Panasonic DVD-S97S to get released and reviewed.

Has anyone heard from Momitsu, and know a definate date of when this 880N will hit the stores?

That benchmark was good info, has the Mom 880 ever been benchmarked like that?

Finally, have we all come to the conclusion that through USB 1.1, or even the network connection, are we not able to stream VOBs flawlessly.. in full resolution?

I guess we really wont know for sure until this damn player comes out...

Originally posted by FlyOnTheWall
That benchmark was good info, has the Mom 880 ever been benchmarked like that?
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Kris Deering (the author of the DVD shootouts) said that the v880 was going to be covered in the next report in this post (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=406264#post3854670).

May 30th I sent them an email and I just got a reply:

"Dear Mark:

When V880N is ready we will email to you.

Best Regards,
Momitsu Technology Inc."

Anyone think they will really email me to let me know?

Originally posted by A/Vspec
May 30th I sent them an email and I just got a reply:

"Dear Mark:

When V880N is ready we will email to you.

Best Regards,
Momitsu Technology Inc."

Anyone think they will really email me to let me know?

It has been announced that it is delayed.

The chances of getting an email to announce availability from Momitsu is low. It is better to keep checking this thread or check in with the US distributors for Momitsu.

Lets keep this bumped...

Originally posted by A/Vspec
May 30th I sent them an email and I just got a reply:

"Dear Mark:

When V880N is ready we will email to you.

Best Regards,
Momitsu Technology Inc."

Anyone think they will really email me to let me know?

Sounds more like "quit bugging us, already..."

It would be nice to know of it is going to start shipping this year?

I just got a reply

Dear Scuba. Our standard shipping date is scheduled from June 20. However, it still need few days to arrive and clear from custom.

Let´s hope :)

Greetings
Scuba

Were is the best place to purchase one if you live in PA?

Originally posted by TUFU
When you play files or DVD from your PC via network, you can choose ouput via DVI. But when you play DVD with DVD player itself, you can only choose ouput via component not DVI.Someone bought this had said so, also the web had this mentioned. I do'nt know why.

It doesn't make sense to me either, but here is an excerpt from the catalog...

Software Functional Specification
5.1 DVD Player
• Supported Media: DVD, Video CD, and CD-DA. (Photo CD isn’t supported)
• Doesn’t display out to DVI on DVD playback
• Doesn’t playback DVD which is not an assigned region code

No region code playback? What's up with this? No VCD's?

Mike

Originally posted by A/Vspec
Were is the best place to purchase one if you live in PA?

Online is the only place you can buy it: Where to buy Momitsu (http://www.momitsu.com/buy.html)

Originally posted by Mike Karolitzky
It doesn't make sense to me either, but here is an excerpt from the catalog...

Software Functional Specification
5.1 DVD Player
• Supported Media: DVD, Video CD, and CD-DA. (Photo CD isn’t supported)
• Doesn’t display out to DVI on DVD playback
• Doesn’t playback DVD which is not an assigned region code

No region code playback? What's up with this? No VCD's?

Mike

Just to clarify.

I am assuming you are quoting from the features of one of the OTHER networked dvd Dvi players. As I do not think those bullets and comments apply at all to the V880N.

This evening I spoke to my account rep at Momitsu and can pass the following information on for your interest.

The V880N is currently in Mass Production and will ship on or before the 28th June.

The software is still undergoing very minor menu changes, however the functionality is complete and the firmware has stabilised. The delays to date have been due to Momitsu wanting to ensure that the firmware is as close to perfect as possible.

The V880N will be able to update it's own firmware via the internet - no need to burn a CD.

The Video In module option will not be available on the V880N. The hardware to support this function will be different and this feature will exist in a future model. (This is new news)

There have been numerous delays to the delivery schedule for the V880N, but this is the first time that Momitsu have commited the player to Mass Production. The fact that they are now taking orders and payment from distributors for the V880N is another positive sign that the product will become a reality in a couple of weeks.

Regards
Aaron

If it's true, it's extemely bad news about the video input module.

I won't be buying this unit now.

The Video In module option will not be available on the V880N. The hardware to support this function will be different and this feature will exist in a future model.

That's bad news:mad:

But probably the Momitsu is still in competition for a place in my rack, If I can connect a Dreambox (that's a Digital-Sat-Receiver) as a streaming Server.....

The Dreambox has an Ethernet Port and the Linux software makes it possible.....

If this will run, I don't need a Video-In.

Greetings Auric

Sorry Wrong thread

To me the V880N still has enough features to warrant the cost. Considering it will be a full video / audio streaming media center which are almost the cost (or half the cost depending on features) of the V880N plus you get the DVI upscaling DVD player.

Which the cheapest one goes for roughly half the cost of the V880N. So for me the price point is still decent even without the possibility of the Video Input module. Here's to hoping for fast, complete and favorable reviews on it ASAP.

BTW if you have a Pio Elite reciever and get this player post that the IR conflict is either still there OR gone from the V880N.

The Video In module option will not be available on the V880N. The hardware to support this function will be different and this feature will exist in a future model. (This is new news)

This really is a significant item for many people. In case this statement was due to a misunderstanding during our conversation I have asked Momitsu to clarify the availability and suitable hardware for the Video Input Module.

The User Manual shows the rear panel of the V880N and there is no space shown for the Video Input Module.

Will advise when I hear back.

Aaron

What does the "Video Input module" do?

Yea, that would be a shame if the video input module will not be available, but I think I will still buy the unit. I dont mind waiting a bit, so we get all these bugs worked out.

**AARON... Have you heard anything about MAC OS X Support for the 880n? Next time you talk to the guys, can you ask them about that?

Dreambox??? whatis that and direct me to that piece of hardware?

Originally posted by Beaker1024
Just to clarify.

I am assuming you are quoting from the features of one of the OTHER networked dvd Dvi players. As I do not think those bullets and comments apply at all to the V880N.

Yes, sorry, I was quoting the IO Data player...


Mike

So does that mean I can place an order with one of the three US distributors?

Who has dealt with any of these three companys and which would you recommend I purchase my 880N from?

Extremephone's name has been mentioned a lot of times for having good service.

I just checked out their site again. The v880 specs still list the input module and Cypress still says anyone that orders with them with get the video upgrade kit for free.. haha. I'm seeing the glass as half full and crossing my fingers.

So what is the video input module - what features would it provide?

And from what I can tell from this thread, this unit will not play DVDs ripped to a hard drive (providing an experience that mirrors what happens when you insert a DVD - DVD menus, etc.), correct? That's what I'm in search of - play my DVDs from my HD upscaled to 720p/1080i. At this point should I hold out hope this unit will be able to do this?

Dana

@RAVEN56706
Dreambox??? whatis that and direct me to that piece of hardware?

That's an Digial DBVs Sat Receiver that (sorry) won't run in the US because of the different standarts.

It's the "best" Satreceiver here in Europe and also been sold in Australia Link (http://www.dreambox.net.au/)

Greetings Auric

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Danabw
[B]So what is the video input module - what features would it provide?

The video input module will allow you to connect an S-Video device and scale it to 720p or 1080i. So for example, you can connect an LV player to the video input and scale it to 720p to improve the picture.

and component and copmosite I think also

If the Input thing is canceld then so is my order, I was really looking forward to xbox and tv upscaled I will deffinantly wait for the model that does support this

If anyone hears about the input thing for the V880n or a future model that supports it post here straight away

Originally posted by afterhourz
I just checked out their site again. The v880 specs still list the input module and Cypress still says anyone that orders with them with get the video upgrade kit for free.. haha. I'm seeing the glass as half full and crossing my fingers.

What is this video upgrade kit?

See post #177. It is now rumored that the V880N might not be able to accept this addon module.

For those waiting on the confirmation from Momitsu regarding the Video Input Module. I have sent my questions to Momitsu and still waiting for a response. I'm hoping that it is a misunderstanding - I will keep you informed.

Regards
Aaron

please do

Thanks Aaron. Got my fingers crossed for all of us :)

How much hard disk space does V880N come with? Can one increase that space?

It is a networked DVD player. No Hard Disk

For those serious about getting this player question:

If it will not support DVD menu's... like I have all my DVD's setup on my server currently, what would be the best way to convert them for easy playback on the 880N? Or.... best just to wait to see how it really works before converting all the DVD's on the server????

Either play the vob's, or rip them to xvid/divx.

I would not want to lose quality, so RIPPING them to xvid or divx is not a possibility. Looks like just playing the VOB file may be one of the only other options...

Does it have to be converted to just one VOB file?

I will be soooooooo disappointed if it doesn't have the input module available. I kept waiting to buy an 880N, but now I'll have to wait some more.:(

Clay

Seems hard to get an answer on this one...does anyone really know if the V880N will play a DVD ripped to a hard drive (IFO/VOB files) or if it will only have the capability to be pointed at and play a single VOB file?

Dana

Danabw, great question but who has the answer. If we could play the
DVD's rpped to a hard drive and upscale that would be great. I only
wish that they would include usb 2.0 instead of 1.0 when they
release the V880N

does anyone have an exact date yet from Momitsu of when they will start shipping these units?

Hi Auric,

Originally posted by Auric
@RAVEN56706


That's an Digial DBVs Sat Receiver that (sorry) won't run in the US because of the different standarts.

It's the "best" Satreceiver here in Europe and also been sold in Australia Link (http://www.dreambox.net.au/)

Greetings Auric

Maybe you should have said it's the best commercial receiver. THE best
DVB Receiver is "VDR" and much more universal und fully configurable.
Its a Linux project and its freeware :D :D

Greets,
Reinhard

@Lightningman

Yes you're right, there is no definition of "best".

In my point of view a Dreambox is a Linux Project and Freeware ;) only with a much cheaper Hardware than a VDR-Box :p

We're here in the DVD-Forum.... why? because people won't hassle around with a HTPC (or a VDR-Box) the want something nearly "Plug&Play" (with a once flashed Dreambox you can run a new Firmware on a USB-Memory-Stick) that's Plug&Play :D :D

Greetings Auric

Hi,
I was referred to this thread, I have read it all , ( I think ) , but would be grateful of any help with my questions. Thankyou . Please read below,

Hi ,
Has anyone heard if the new 880N, which is soon to arrive has any improvements , " component wise " in comparison to the V880?.
Has Momitsu taken on board or ever commented about the improvements , or mods performed by buyers of this product?.
For example mods to the video cable , power supply, or the dvd loader etc.
I was going to buy a Momitsu V880 , but have reluctantly held off for the arrival of the V880N. Now that I hear that it has no input module, will the V880N be a better choice any way?.
I would be very interested to here anyones thoughts on this topic?.
Thankyou,
Regards
Juz

Juz,

Both the Momitsu V880 and soon V880N are availabile in Australia in modified versions, with a full 12 month Australian Warranty.

The Power Supply is modiied for lower noise and either the Component or RGBHV outputs are brought to true 75 ohm BNC sockets on the rear panel, with the internal video switch bypassed.

The latest DVD loaders are extremely reliable and do not need changing.

I have the V880N on backorder and expect delivery in the first week of July. Until then nobody is certain of the performance upgrades that have been incorporated in the design.

I'm still waiting to hear from Momitsu on the Video input Module, but expect to have an answer today. Stay tuned.

Aaron

Any news Azzad???

Azzad: Who modifies these Momistsus in Australia? Is the the company itself or a dealer? How much premium do they attach to it, if its a dealer? Reason I ask is that I am interested in a Momitsu and am wondering when to buy it. Maybe once V880N is released, by which they would have addressed some issues in V880 as well.

Thanks.

I called Momitsu and spoke to my account rep again to clarify some of the points about the V880N and the Video Input Module. In the process I now have a contact with one of the Engineers and have some solid answers.

The V880N is on track for shipping by the 28th June. Initial production priority will be given to backorders.

The Video Input Module WILL fit into the V880N, my previous comments were a misunderstanding about models and options. The hardware design is complete and they are currently working on the software. The module is expected to be available in August.

There is currently space inside the V880N to fit the Video Input Module - it fits internally and the connectors come through pre-punched holes in the back panel. These holes are covered of course.

Regards
Aaron

mallu2u,

Azzad: Who modifies these Momistsus in Australia? Is the the company itself or a dealer? How much premium do they attach to it, if its a dealer? Reason I ask is that I am interested in a Momitsu and am wondering when to buy it. Maybe once V880N is released, by which they would have addressed some issues in V880 as well.

They are modified by the Australian distributor, the modifications are not factory supported so the distributor offers the warranty.

The V880N will be here in about 2 weeks, we'll know a lot more then. I'll be sure to pass my observations onto the forums.

Aaron

Sorry haven't read the whole thread but I got two questions.

1.Will HDCP be forced on the DVI-output or can it be turned off ?
2.Will I be able to add custom resolutions as you can with the 880 ?

Thanks

"1.Will HDCP be forced on the DVI-output or can it be turned off ?"

Yeah well I asked them a while ago if monitors without HDCP would be compatible and they said yes....wether or not u can turn it of is unknown to me

And that is fantastic news about the input moduel, I will still probebly wait untill August tho as I don't think any companies will send me the input module free 2 months after my original order.

Originally posted by Azzad
I called Momitsu and spoke to my account rep again to clarify some of the points about the V880N and the Video Input Module. In the process I now have a contact with one of the Engineers and have some solid answers.

The V880N is on track for shipping by the 28th June. Initial production priority will be given to backorders.

The Video Input Module WILL fit into the V880N, my previous comments were a misunderstanding about models and options. The hardware design is complete and they are currently working on the software. The module is expected to be available in August.

There is currently space inside the V880N to fit the Video Input Module - it fits internally and the connectors come through pre-punched holes in the back panel. These holes are covered of course.

Regards
Aaron

But if the Video Input Module is not shipped..how can be added later? At a cost?

Originally posted by Azzad
. In the process I now have a contact with one of the Engineers and have some solid answers.



Would you please do me a favour and ask one of these engineers if it would be possible in any way to fit the input module to the plain V880,as I don't want the network capabilities,but would like to upscale inputs.
I asked momitsu sales and their answer was a short "the input module comes on the V880N only".If it won't work,could you please ask them why?
I don't care if it means soldering heaps of wires,I want one :) .

@whitey66

Sorry to say, but the Input module needs the Sigmadesign 8550 Chip from the V880N:( :( :(

Link (http://www.sigmadesigns.com/products/em8500series.htm)

Your V880 has only the 8500 Chip inside!

Greetings Auric

Glad to hear about the 880N Input Module. Do we know a price, and can we install it ourself?

Originally posted by Auric
@whitey66

Sorry to say, but the Input module needs the Sigmadesign 8550 Chip from the V880N:( :( :(

Link (http://www.sigmadesigns.com/products/em8500series.htm)

Your V880 has only the 8500 Chip inside!

Greetings Auric


Great link Auric. The EM8620L Series chip looks so sweet (http://www.sigmadesigns.com/products/em8620Lseries.htm)...

Yes ist looks sweet.....:)

Have a look at THIS (http://www.kiss-technology.com/files/brochures/DP-600.pdf)

That's a KISS DP-600 DVD-Player (without Video-In) with the 8620L inside......

It's a pitty that KISS (like other manufacturer) is talking about this DVD-Player for more then 10 Month, but there is no Information (it's even difficult to find on their Webside) if it's ever been realised:( :(

Greetings Auric

Has anyone heard any info about V88N lately?

Also, IMO since this is the 2nd gen DVI player, I hope they fixed the loader, they better, because there's no excuse if they didn't, plus, this thing is going to cost $400 plus shipping. And (I think) if anyone should buy a $400 DVD player, they shouldn't have to open up the case (even though it's fun to do the mods). - that just me.


Baja

Originally posted by Auric
Yes ist looks sweet.....:)

Have a look at THIS (http://www.kiss-technology.com/files/brochures/DP-600.pdf)

That's a KISS DP-600 DVD-Player (without Video-In) with the 8620L inside......

It's a pitty that KISS (like other manufacturer) is talking about this DVD-Player for more then 10 Month, but there is no Information (it's even difficult to find on their Webside) if it's ever been realised:( :(

Greetings Auric
Looks interesting but I did not see a DVI output.

The KiSS 508 looks to be for sale now here (http://www.mtsbs.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=11). I emailed KiSS about the 600, since the 508 does not do WM9 (or HD?.) I know this is an 880N thread, but the addition of WM9 on a (hopefully short-term) future product raised my eyebrows. Could be an interesting year. I hope they offer the KiSS without the hard drive. W/ a 1TB server, hard drives I got!

Originally posted by BajaFishin
Has anyone heard any info about V88N lately?

Also, IMO since this is the 2nd gen DVI player, I hope they fixed the loader, they better, because there's no excuse if they didn't, plus, this thing is going to cost $400 plus shipping. And (I think) if anyone should buy a $400 DVD player, they shouldn't have to open up the case (even though it's fun to do the mods). - that just me.


Baja

I couldn't have put it better myself! I think Baja has captured the essence of our (atleast mine) anticipation and hopes for the V880N.

Why is it after waiting 10 months to find a DVI upscaler (using old '98 Sony 480i still) doesn't seem to make waiting another 11-15 days for the first reviews of the V880N any easier?? I just hope that with good reviews that I go to purchase one and they are not already backordered. I'd hate another month or two wait on top of things!

Originally posted by mikemav
I emailed KiSS about the 600, since the 508 does not do WM9 (or HD?.)
Here is a response I got from KiSS (sent about 2 hours after I emailed them the question.) Note I had also asked if they planned to support iTunes or other media from a Mac as well as the PC.

Hi Mike,

First of all, thank you very much for your mail.

We are still in the process of developing the DP-600, and currently we
are expecting that it will be launched at some point during Q3.

It will have a DVI Output, and it will be able to scale to
HD-resolutions as well as standard resolutions.

At this point of time, I do not have an answer to your question
regarding media playback from a Mac OS, as this is not something we have
today, but certainly something we have considered.

Best regards,

Claus Lofberg

I've heard a nasty rumor that the 880n will only play Xvid, Divx, etc, THROUGH ETHERNET only.

Is this true?

It looks that way, but maybe it's in addition to what can be played on supported media types. I can't draw a clear answer from the specs.
http://www.momitsu.com/dvd_880nspec.html

The xvid, divx file types are only listed in the supported via ethernet section.

so anyone getting this player soon? Did any one pre-order. Its almost late June.

got some info from Momitsu via an email from their tech support...

<snip>
Dear Scott:

The Video module is design for user upgrade by themselves
MSRP of the Video Input Module should not more then $120USD
It should take about 5 minutes to install it.

Best Regards,
Momitsu Tech Support
<snip>

A previous email has said that this video input module will be good for the both the 880 and the 880N. This will make the 880 owners happy Im sure.

My question to you all, for $120, will this be worth it?

@FlyOnTheWall

A previous email has said that this video input module will be good for the both the 880 and the 880N. This will make the 880 owners happy Im sure.

I think this Information is wrong :( :( :( :( :(

For any kind of a Video-Input the machine has to have a Sigma-Designs
EM8550/EM8551 or the newest EM8620L Chip.

The 880(less N!) has a EM8500 Chip.

So there is no chance that there will be a Video Input ever! (besides you fit the new Mainboard of a 880N)

Greetings

Auric

Originally posted by FlyOnTheWall
got some info from Momitsu via an email from their tech support...
The Video module is design for user upgrade by themselves
MSRP of the Video Input Module should not more then $120USD
It should take about 5 minutes to install it.
My question to you all, for $120, will this be worth it?

Well I hope it isnt't hard to install like no soldering or anything, I am all thumbs, that is a bit expencive but if it does everthing I expect it to, it will be well worth it IMO

My question to you all, for $120, will this be worth it?

You can get a DVD-Player like the 880 for the money, you can't get a highclass Deinterlacer/Scaler for that money.........

If you want to connect an other Video-source (besides the DVD-Player) to your Projector it's definitly worth the money!



Well I hope it isnt't hard to install like no soldering or anything,

I bet it isn't.

I guess it's open the hood, pull out (break out) the opening for the module, put in the module, and connect one ribbon cable with a connector.

Refit the hood, BINGO

Greetings Auric

Yeah that sounds about right, I can handle that

Well IMO, this is a letdown from the company as well. First for $400 they said the module would be there..now they want more the module. Cost of ownership goes to $520. That ain't cheap anymore..is it? Lets see the build quality of the first few players. I shall make my decision then.

That ain't cheap anymore..is it?

Compare to what?

A standart V880? Not really
a DVDO iScan HD ? app. 3 times less expensive :eek:
a HTPC ? half the Price and Housewife proof!
We're talking about a way to get our DVDs and other Video-sources like NON-HDTV Satreceivers to a resolution of 1080i.

1080i is my favourite because i own a Sony 1272;)

If somebody needs DVI/HDMI or 1080p fine, I don't.
If somebody needs a gold plated remotecontrol, or Silver-Powercords or other High-End Stuff with the Hollywood-crippling like Regional-Code, or 480p maximum resolution....... I don't

Greetings Auric

Yeah my TV suports 1080i also so having 3 inputs in 1080i (I currently have zero) will be fantastic, even tho it is more expencive overall I am still happy with the price

when is this player going to be available

Does anyone know if the input module will work with the component or VGA (from DVI-I adapter) outputs? I will not be running a DVI cable to the projector, but like that this model can upscale to HD on the analog VGA or component out. I assume custom resolutions are also supported on the analog HD outs? Also, has anyone compared the analog scaling of the 880 to any other upscaling DVD players? How about the 480p component out? Does the quality match some of the more mainstream progressive or scaling DVD players? I may end up using 480p, 720p, or a custom XGA res on my NEC HT1100 projector. The reason to even consider 480p is that the NEC "Sweetvision II" circuit, which a lot of people seem to love, is only available on inputs up to 480p. The nice thing about a player as flexible as the 880 (or 880N) is that I can experiment.

Does anyone know if the input module will work with the component or VGA (from DVI-I adapter) outputs?
I think so!
but like that this model can upscale to HD on the analog VGA or component out
That's why i'm waiting for that Player!
I assume custom resolutions are also supported on the analog HD outs
They are on the V880, so it's prettty shure that the V880N also support this!
Also, has anyone compared the analog scaling of the 880 to any other upscaling DVD players?
Please use the Search Button on this Board :D
How about the 480p component out?
Boring :D
Does the quality match some of the more mainstream progressive or scaling DVD players?
Please use the Search Button on this Board :D
I may end up using 480p, 720p, or a custom XGA res on my NEC HT1100 projector.
I would use 1080i with a DVI (Full-Digital) connection, If I had a HT1100.
The reason to even consider 480p is that the NEC "Sweetvision II" circuit, which a lot of people seem to love, is only available on inputs up to 480p.
No comment, :confused: I can't see a reason why a digital-analog-digital conversion makes a better picture than a pure digital connection.......
But things happend;)

The nice thing about a player as flexible as the 880 (or 880N) is that I can experiment.
If you want something to play with, marry or build a HTPC.

Greetings Auric

Originally posted by Auric


I would use 1080i with a DVI (Full-Digital) connection, If I had a HT1100.

No comment, :confused: I can't see a reason why a digital-analog-digital conversion makes a better picture than a pure digital connection.......
But things happend;)



Greetings Auric

Only issue is that I would have to use a 12 meter DVI cable, and I think that is pushing it. I know there are those out there that have this working, and I may try it, but at that length I think the benefits may be negligible. For instance, I have an HD Tivo, and many people in the TiVo community say the component out looks better than the DVI. This could be due to the HDMI to DVI conversion though, or the fact that the TiVo is video standard DVI and not computer standard 0-255. Another problem w/ DVI in my case is sending the signal to multiple displays. Doesn't activating the DVI disable the analog outs on the 880? I hope using component out does not do the same. I need to send a video or s-video out to the other TV I use for my kid. How about RGB via a DVI adapter? Is that technically activating "DVI" out, or is it a separate menu setting? What I would really like is to be able to use RGB (Via DVI-I/VGA adapter), component, and s-video all at the same time. At the very least component OR RGB plus Y/C. I know, I know, use the search feature of this board..... I will do that as well- don't mean to be lazy. I am just time pressed right now. I will check more into it later. Thanks

Does anybody know if the V880 does and the V880N will support Dual Link DVI?

Only issue is that I would have to use a 12 meter DVI cable, and I think that is pushing it
An other Player like the Momi (the Yamakawa 365) has some problem with cable length like that, probably it's a problem because nobody ever thought about a DVI connection of that length.... But there is a solution for this problem....

Use a shorter cable for the DVI/HDMI connection and use a long cable for the Digital-Sound.

This could be due to the HDMI to DVI conversion though
Sorry there is no conversion HDMI and DVI is absolute the same, besides that HDMI is encrypted.
If the Moni finds a HDMI on the display side it produces HDMI, if it finds a DVI it sends DVI without encryption.

I need to send a video or s-video out to the other TV I use for my kid.
Why don't you give him your existing DVD Player, or do you need two of them in the livingroom;)

Greetings Auric

lets keep this bumbed

I have been on avsforum for a while and I still don't know what some of these quick phrases are like bumbed and PJ ... mind give me a clue

I still don't know what some of these quick phrases are like bumbed and PJ ... mind give me a clue

Hehe... took me awhile to figure "bumped" out. I believe bumped is how you could keep a thread active-as in most recent replies. Bumping a thread helps keep the thread at the top of the list in hopes of more replies. I have bumped a thread because I am enthusiastic for a reply.

PJ is a projector
fp is a front projector
pq is picture quality
rptv is rear projection tele-vision

ataadmc is all these acronyms are driving me crazy :)

there are about 10 thousand more and some of those have double meanings depending on what forum they are used ;)

DA one was a killer for me a while back DA= Digital Analog or Digital Amp or Distribution Amp.

All this BS with the DSD of the V880N is giving me a RPITN!

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Decoded:

BS = Well Bull you know what, DSD = Delayed Shipping Date, RPITN = Real Pain In The Neck.

ha ha... seems to be a lot of them, but all this talk about acronyms seems to be bumping the thread.

Originally posted by csi
Hehe... took me awhile to figure "bumped" out. I believe bumped is how you could keep a thread active-as in most recent replies. Bumping a thread helps keep the thread at the top of the list in hopes of more replies. I have bumped a thread because I am enthusiastic for a reply.

PJ is a projector
fp is a front projector
pq is picture quality
rptv is rear projection tele-vision

ataadmc is all these acronyms are driving me crazy :)

there are about 10 thousand more and some of those have double meanings depending on what forum they are used ;)

wn is Who knew? :)

Originally posted by A/Vspec
DSD = Delayed Shipping Date

Or if we were in the audio forum Direct Stream Digital, the primary technology behind SACD or SA-CD (Super Audio Compact Disc), Sony and Philips' joint venture into hi-resolution (sometimes Multi-Channel) music format.

Talk about Sony, S/PDIF = Sony/Philips Digital Interface.

Reading the manual I see that for the audio playback, FLAC is not supported?

Thoughts?

Is any lossless codec supported?

What's considered a lossless codec?

and what is FLAC.... and once again another acronym

Anyone truly believe that the new estimated shipping (or arrival to Extremephono) date of July 15th (on extremephono's site) for the V880N will hold this time?? Any thoughts?

I do not know about the rest of you but I just want to order mine ASAP.

If extremephono reads this: Will you accept returns on the V880N if the IR remote issue remains with the Pioneer Equipment, since Momitsu has claimed it should not still be an issue unlike for the V880 it is a known issue (buyer be ware)?

Beaker: They are responding the Qs on this thread: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=3987749#post3987749 Go ahead and ask ur Q to them in that thread?

Originally posted by vorgusa
and what is FLAC.... and once again another acronym

Full Length Audio CD or Fully Lossless Audio Codec, I think.

Free Loseless Audio Codec:

http://flac.sourceforge.net/

Originally posted by A/Vspec
Reading the manual I see that for the audio playback, FLAC is not supported?

Thoughts?

Well I guess what the manual says goes. I asked a question earlier in this thread on support for superG wireless pcmcia cards and the answer I got could probably be applied here also. The 880N platform is built on uClinux and if FLAC was incorporated by uClinux it would have been easy for Momitsu to include it. Firmware upgrades to incorporate this support might take a while since the feature has to move from the linux community to uClinux then to vendors who modify it for their platform to delivery to the end user via firmware upgrade. I could be off target here, correct me if I'm wrong.

question.... can I use the DVI to VGA adapter and still use the customized resolutioin? I recently bought an X1 and would love to hook it up this way? Also, which resolution would I set the Momitsu 880n at to achieve the best picture on this 800x600 projector?

Thanks for the help...