Does anybody have any opinions on these speakers or this company? They have apparantly been around for 45 years but there aren't many posts on the boards from owners. The bookshelf line is relatively inexpensive. I am putting them on my list of possibilities. When I get my receiver in I will give them another listen and will post my impressions.

I have a Phase Technology Power 12 subwoofer in my HT setup and my father has an Octave 10 subwoofer and 2.5T (I think that's the model) F/R and their corresponding CC. I am extremely happy with my sub for the amount I paid. My father's speakers are about 5 years old or more and have since been discontinued, but are a pretty good setup for the money.

Of course the only way to know for sure is to listen to some yourself.

I've been using PC60s for about 15yrs, they have evolved along with my
changing listening habits. Originally purchased as a 2.1(PC50 passive sub),
then increasing to 4.1, later adding a powered sub and then finally the
center. Found my receipt recently for the PC60/50 setup and paid $1200.

After all the years of abuse they still sound great, from the smoothest Jazz,
to the hardest of rock or the most demanding DTS movie.

Want to upgrade, but haven't found anything in my price range that
sounds that much better.

I've had Phace Tech speakers and a 15" Octive 1 sub for about 5 years. Excellent speakers at a good price.

I have listened to other brands, usually considerably more expensive, and always come away satisfied with what my Phase Tech's provide.

I use them for a combination of HT and music.

Well'I just finished purchasing new speakers and did my first serious auditioning so I'm a relative newbie at this.But I listened to a lot-Paridigm ref.Mirage Omni,polk Lsi.vienna acoustic,Psb,many others,I heard the Phase Tech premiers and was very impressed.At their price point they seemed a great deal,and PT invented the dome tweeter I think-great sounding highs to my ears.Probably were #1 on my short list until I heard ribbons and everything changed...

Well, I had the Phase Tech. Teatro series package and I made a "lateral" upgrade to thier new Velocity line. All I can say is I have heard nothing better in thier price range. Granted I have not heard everything, but I've owned and heard plenty of brands. The ones I can think of off the top of my head: Various models of PSB, Pinnacle, Axiom, Infinity, Snell, B&W, Paradigm. None had the balance of the Phase Techs IMHO. Amazing Detail (without being bright), great "accurate" imaging, and huge soundstage.

Funny this post came up, I just got back from going to my local Hi-end audio store and sat down and listened to some of my favorite CD's on a pair of B&Ws 804's, I think.. not sure though ($2,600 speakers what ever they were), and a pair of $2000 Snell's. I came back home and listened to the same tracks on my Velocity V-12's ($1,000) and just got a huge grin on my face. The V12's were equal to both speakers in every way, and bested them in imaging and detail (both the B&W and Snells sounded too bright to me). Anyway, I know it was in a different room with different equipment, but both the rooms and equipment were better at the Hi-End shop (I would kill to have thier state of the art rooms).

Phase Tech. is HIGHLY underated. I don't really think they care though, as they don't advertise much and thier parent company (United Speakers) sells speakers parts to speaker manufacturers all over the world. I think the Phase tech. speaker line started as just a hobby for the owner and president some years ago.

To answer the original poster, I think there "might be" a good reason why Phase tech. owners don't post alot about thier speakers. They are to busy enjoying them ;) I know my posts have went way down on this forum as well as others since I've owned Phase Tech. speakers. Fact is I'm spending more of my time listening to music these days, as I am COMPLETELY satisfied with them. I have never been able to say that about any other speakers I've owned. There was always some little nit-pick I had.

For the price of these speakers, I just don't think they can be beat. Especially when you consider that they make ALL thier own parts in the USA, down to winding thier own voice coils. AND they have a 10 year warranty on all speakers. Now that's pretty rare for speakers, especially in thier price range.

Can't say enough good things about them, I don't think I will be upgrading for many, many years. And whan I do it will probably be to another set of Phase Techs.

Mean while, I will continue to carry that huge grin when listening to them, especially after I compare them to speakers that cost over twice as much!

My .02 YMMV! When in doubt go listen for yourself, the proofs in the pudding! :D

Good Luck and Happy listening!
Patrick

I've seen many great reviews of phase tech speakers in home theater magazine.They seem to love them. I dont see how you could go wrong.
i remember jandr had them on clearance for a good price.
If you're on a real tight budget check out my under $200 bookshelves thread. You might want to consider those too.
www.hometheaterspeaker.com.

If you're on a real tight budget check out my under $200 bookshelves thread. You might want to consider those too.

I've checked out the speakers that you spoke of. Pretty impressive for the price - and they have real wood veneer, too.

However, if anyone is considering them - keep in mind they are 6 Ohm speakers - so be sure your amp/receiver can handle such loads.

I've owned the Phase Tech 11.5 Teatro speaker system for about 3 years now and I'm very happy with them. These speakers are absolutely untouchable in their price range. I demoed Def Tech's, Paradigm, B&W, Polk, and Infinity. None offered what Phase Tech offered in the $1500 price range. These speakers are incredible. I can't recommend them enough.

As for customer service... A friend of mine purchased the same set as mine after hearing my set up. When it arrived, one of the towers had a damaged crossover. After a phone call to the company in Florida, he had a new replacement tower in 2 days. UPS picked up the damaged tower later that week.

Great speakers. Great company.

Herm

Originally posted by wje


However, if anyone is considering them - keep in mind they are 6 Ohm speakers - so be sure your amp/receiver can handle such loads.

FWIW, Phase Tech. Teatros and Velocity series are 8 Ohm!

Patrick

Thanks all for the great info. avaholic, the velocity series is the series I am considering...I was thinking of V-12 or V-10 for mains, which speakers do you use for surrounds?

Originally posted by oontahey
Thanks all for the great info. avaholic, the velocity series is the series I am considering...I was thinking of V-12 or V-10 for mains, which speakers do you use for surrounds?

I use the V-12's up front, the V-6 center, and the V-surrounds. I choose the V-surrounds because I really liked the bipolar design of the Teatro surrounds (my previous Phase techs). With the V-surrounds you can switch it to bipole or dipole via the switch on the back. In Bipole configuration (I've never used as dipoles), it sounds great. A seamless soundfield, perfectly timbre matched with the front 3 speakers. I listen to alot of Multi-Channel music and its amazing! With movies, sometimes I'd swear I had rear speakers in a 7.1 system, instead of a standard 5.1 system with the rears on the side wall, slightly above and behind me.

Highly Recommended! Go take a listen for yourself.

Good Luck!
Patrick

I have pretty high end equipment in my living room, but when I wanted a more budget minded theater in the back for a showroom for my custom installation business, I chose Phase Tech and have been VERY happy with them. I listen to a $94,000 set of speakers every day and when I go back and listen to the Phase system, I am impressed with how nice it sounds. I have a Teatro system in my theater, which is very similar to their new Velocity line. I do run an HSU sub in that room, however, as I need a lot of bass to make me happy.

In short, I don't see how anybody could not be satisfied with Phase Tech and find anything else that would satisfy them without spending a lot more money.

Originally posted by Mr.Poindexter
I listen to a $94,000 set of speakers every day and when I go back and listen to the Phase system, I am impressed with how nice it sounds. I have a Teatro system in my theater, which is very similar to their new Velocity line.

In short, I don't see how anybody could not be satisfied with Phase Tech and find anything else that would satisfy them without spending a lot more money.

That is exactly what I have experienced. On a much smaller scale of course, as I have not compared them against anything like a $94,000 set of speakers (not that there is probably that much of a comparison at that price). I've only compared them up to a $2,600 pair of speakers at this point. ;)

But, I'd agree you'd have to spend alot more than the Phase Techs cost, to get equal or better sound. I'd like to see some comparisons to some of the popular Online brands like the Rockets, etc. IMHO, they really blew away the Axioms that I had. I have a feeling some people "may" not know what they are missing!

Anyway, nice to hear I'm not alone in thinking these are great sounding speakers. Never mind the great price and 10 year warranty! Not to mention made in the USA!

Cheers,
Patrick

I may have to check these speakers out. Repairs should be easy as I work across the street from the factory!!

Originally posted by THD100%
I may have to check these speakers out. Repairs should be easy as I work across the street from the factory!!

That is "if" they ever need to be repaired. ;)

My guess is speakers that carry a 10 year warranty might not need to get repaired as often as some. But it's nice to live that close just in case.

Maybe you could get a tour though, that would be cool!

My dealer is going to be really happy with me...I went into this project with a specific budget, and I blew that on my receiver, now it looks like I am going to do it again with the speakers. sigh...oh well! I might be broke but my house is going to sound smokin'!

I bet my insurance guy is gonna want more cash too.

Originally posted by THD100%
I may have to check these speakers out. Repairs should be easy as I work across the street from the factory!!

Cool! I just ordered a set of V-12s... Um, could you go over every now and then and make sure they're not goofin' off??? ;) Thanks!

...cheers

Originally posted by oontahey
My dealer is going to be really happy with me...I went into this project with a specific budget, and I blew that on my receiver, now it looks like I am going to do it again with the speakers. sigh...oh well! I might be broke but my house is going to sound smokin'!

I bet my insurance guy is gonna want more cash too.

Ahh...... join the club ;)

But, the Really important thing is your system is going to sound "Smokin'"! :D

BTW: What receiver did you go with?

Best Regards,
Patrick

I went with a NAD 753 and a NAD 513 player. I heard it with the V-4's and and V-6 center and it sounded amazing. When it comes in we are going to hook it up to the V-12's, 10's and 8's so I can have a listen. I will take it around to listen to a couple of different things to make sure...but I bet I like what I hear.

It looks to me that the V-10 is a V-8 mounted in a tower...do you know if that's true?

Thanks for all the info! I'll post back and let you know what I went with....

Originally posted by oontahey
I went with a NAD 753 and a NAD 513 player.

It looks to me that the V-10 is a V-8 mounted in a tower...do you know if that's true?

Thanks for all the info! I'll post back and let you know what I went with....

That setup is going to sound pretty sweet!!!

Yes, the V-10 is essentially a V-8 in a tower. But it does change the lower freq. quite a bit. The V-10 will extend lower of course.

The V-12 is a 3-way, though the two 7" woofers look the same, the upper driver is more of a full range driver, with the lower 7" being a dedicated woofer to freq. below 300Hz.

Glad I could help, let us know what you go with!

Best Regards,
Patrick

I chose Phase Tech 10 years ago and I won't consider another dynamic speaker. Very natural, detailed, and accurate sound. In all their series. I have upgraded over the years, from the "Euro Series" in the early 90's to the "Teatro Series" (which contained different models than the Teatro's of tody), to their "Premier Collection" (PC Series). Each time I sit and listen I am still amazed by the detail. Quite a few times, I'd listen to an album I thought I knew well and noticed an instrument I did not hear before. Phase Tech does a great job at tuning their speakers. The great thing is the bass, not overemphasized or thin, but natural. I have a pair of 335ES (circa 1991) in my second system, 1" tweeter & 6.5" mid/woofer, and twice my friend asked me where the subwoofer was. Surprise, there is none.
Truly an amazing brand. I would urge anyone in the market for speakers to give Phase Tech a listen for yourself.

Very interesting speakers. I hadn't heard of them before. Sexy looking too.

Question, I was looking at the specs on their page and they (velocity series) struck me as being not very heavy speakers. How sturdy is the construction? Any idea how thick the cabinets are etc? I didn't see that on the site.

I don't usually pay much attention to weight so it could be that the weight is average. It just stood out to me for some reason.

Also, With the V6 center channel using 5.25 inch woofers and the bookshelves and towers using 7 inchers, do they still blend well? My current Polks use 5.25's in the center and 6.5's in the bookshelves and there's a distinct difference in the way they sound (even though they're "timbre matched" which I think is just BS marketing more than anything). It's noticable enough that I've been thinking about getting three bookshelves next time around and not getting a real center speaker. That's not what I'd like to do, however. A third bookshelf on top of the TV would be quite goofy looking.

I've had Phase Tech Model 6.5 for mains and a low end Phase Tech center channel for 10 years in my HT. I'm going to upgrade the cc but the 6.5 have been outstanding. I did have one warranty woofer replacement a few years ago. It went smoothly. The Phase Techs are not as great as my $4800. Bybee-ized Alon V that reside in my tubed audio setup, but they are eminently satisfying in my living room HT. Highly recommended.

I was able to demo the V-4's and V-8's this week and the speakers seemed very well made, attractive and sturdy to me. I picked them up and indeed they were not heavy, but the certainly didn't feel flimsy. I will get to hear the V-12's next week.

Wow, this has me seriously considering the Phase Tech Velocity line. I have a SVS PB2 ISD, so I'm leaning toward the V-10 or the V-8. I especially like the price of the V-8. Does anyone know if the V-8 gives up much to the V-10 (or the V-12 for that matter) other than low end?

Unfortunately, the only dealer here in Salt Lake does not keep these speakers at the store, they only can order them. Does anyone know if Phase Tech will ship these to me on a trial basis like the online retailers do?
Thanks in advance.

Well, I have not heard the V-10, but I have heard the V-8 and though it sounds good it will not work for me as mains, although possibly as surrounds. Dealer did not have a V-10 so I haven't heard it, but it seems to me that after you get good stands for your V-8 you are almost at a V-10. I am looking forward to hearing the V-12's. I do not believe phasetech sells direct.

My problem is that I walked into the Linn room after I left the phasetech room...I am afraid. Very afraid.

Would you mind elaborating on why they won't work for you as mains?
Thanks.

I am getting a 5.1 system but its primary focus is two channel music. I like what the V-8's do..I just want "more" of what its doing coming from the two main speakers. Of course adding a the sub to the V-8's will fill out the sound..but I am not sure that I like the sound of bookshelves and a sub as well as two towers and a sub (or even without a sub) yet . (I'm a nOOb and still figuring out what I like).

Well ok, I know what I really like but the speakers were $4500 a pair and the electronics were $6000. But let's not talk about that...

Originally posted by Dammit!
Very interesting speakers. I hadn't heard of them before. Sexy looking too.

How sturdy is the construction? Any idea how thick the cabinets are etc? I didn't see that on the site.

Also, With the V6 center channel using 5.25 inch woofers and the bookshelves and towers using 7 inchers, do they still blend well?

Great Speakers! They are a little light, but very well made. The Cabinets use 3/4" MDF. They use a special One piece Uniframe speaker basket/baffle assembly. Here's a link to some more info HERE (http://www.phasetech.com/reviews/pdfs/VelocityLiterature.pdf).

I use the V-6 with the V-12"s and the V-surounds. It is a Seamless blend! Listening to ALOT of Multi-channel music, they sound amazing in my room. Check them out if you can!

Best Regards,
Patrick

Patrick has mentioned these to me on another occasion and I'm intrigued with them big time. I just hope my dealer which doesn't carry the line in store can cut me a deal on them given that I'm willing to take a shot at them w/o listening to them.

Patrick, could you PM with what you paid for that setup. That is what I'm leaning towards and then I'll get a Pb2+ from SVS to complete the setup.

Also what kind of receiver/amp are you using to power them?

Originally posted by Shane Martin

Patrick, could you PM with what you paid for that setup. That is what I'm leaning towards and then I'll get a Pb2+ from SVS to complete the setup.

Also what kind of receiver/amp are you using to power them?

Shane you have a PM!

I forgot to mention in the PM that I'm using the Pioneer 55TXi to power them. I use the 47Ai connected to the 55TXi via i.Link. It sounds incredible. Like listening to my CDs for the first time! That's after owning the HK AVR8000, which is a pretty great receiver itself. But the 55TXi/47Ai combo really makes a difference. Jitterless audio over the i.Link connection, and MCACC on the 55TXi is priceless!

Best Regards,
Patrick

I am glad to see some others making the choice. I was in Scottsdale AZ and found Phase Techs. I now own 5 PC3.1s and a pair of PC surrounds. Did not go for the PT woofer got a Sunfire instead. The speakers are set for 5.1 for movies (using the surrounds) and 5.1 for surround audio with the 5 3.1s.

Great speakers.....at least to my ears. After all, isn't that all that matters? :)

Kevin

avaholic: What's ypur opinion of how the smaller speakers (i.e., V-10 or V-8) with a good sub would work as mains, compared to say the V-12s?

Originally posted by Magliocchino
avaholic: What's ypur opinion of how the smaller speakers (i.e., V-10 or V-8) with a good sub would work as mains, compared to say the V-12s?

"In my opinion" the lower the mains can go the better you will be able to blend them with a good sub for music. If you are mainly interested in HT, then you can get away with smaller mains. However, many people get a good blend with speakers that only go down to 60-70Hz for music. But, on the whole its much harder because the crossover on the sub needs to be too high, enabling you to localize it better (bad thing).

You can crossover the sub at a lower freq. with a tower or bookshelf speaker that has good low end freq. response, say 40, 50, or 60Hz (good thing). Which will make it harder to localize the sub. If you can find mains that have solid response down to 40Hz, you can run them full range and use the sub, making for a better blend (this can be a little tricky though).

I have not heard either the V-10 (35Hz -3dB)or the V-8 (44Hz - 3dB). But I would image either would blend well with a good sub. If I had to pick, I'd go with the V-10.

Hope this helps,
Patrick

I'm wondering if any of you are having the same problem I am in my area. I'm in the central Florida area and the Phase Tech dealers in my area only do special orders for Phase Techs. IMO, not much point in having a line in a B&M store where you can't friggin go listen to the speakers. And I don't mean not having a particular line to demo...they all have none at all to demo.

So, if anyone in the central Florida area reads this and has some advice on where to go listen to some Velocity and PC series speakers, I'm listening. I really don't feel I should have to drive several hours to listen to a pair of speakers.

skellyo: I have the same problem here in Salt Lake. There is one authorized dealer, but they have no Phase Technology speakers in the store.

avaholic: I'm not too worried about blending with my sub as I could crossover at 80 htz, at which I'm unable to localize it and it's well above the lowend of both the V-10 and V-8. I'm more curious if all the other qualities of the speakers would be less using say a V-8 w/sub vs. a V-12 or say the Axiom 60s (e.g., soundstage, imaging, etc).

Originally posted by Magliocchino
skellyo: I have the same problem here in Salt Lake. There is one authorized dealer, but they have no Phase Technology speakers in the store.

avaholic: I'm not too worried about blending with my sub as I could crossover at 80 htz, at which I'm unable to localize it and it's well above the lowend of both the V-10 and V-8. I'm more curious if all the other qualities of the speakers would be less using say a V-8 w/sub vs. a V-12 or say the Axiom 60s (e.g., soundstage, imaging, etc).

First off, I would still always recommend using mains that go lower so they can be run full range along with a sub, the bass just blends better IMHO. This after many years of experimenting with countless combinations.

As far as the soundstage and imaging go. Commonly with bookshelves you "can" get better imaging than with towers. But the soundstage "usually" will be wider with good towers. Notice the quotes I used, this is not always the case, it depends on the particular bookshelves and towers. And this has just been my experience over the years with the products I owned. Since I have not heard the V-10 or V-8's, I'd just have to assume they sound similar to the V-12. Except that the V-10 and V-8 do not go as low and the V-8 "probably" does not have as wide as a soundstage as the V-10 or V-12.

Now as far as the Axiom M60s go, I had a pair, and the soundstage just did not cut it. The problem was not the "width" of the soundstage, but the depth. I like a 3-dimensional soundstage with alot of depth, and IMHO the M60s don't have it. There have been a few others on this forum that have told me they experienced the same with the M60s. Imaging is pretty good. They are detailed as well, but to my ears they were on the "bright" side of detail. I love detail but I hate "bright". The Phase Tech. V-12's give me the detail I love without sounding bright at all.

Lastly, regarding the lack of dealers carrying Phase Techs to demo, I'm going to email the VP in charge of marketing and sales (I was lucky enough to have him respond to one of my inquires) and see what he has to say. I may point him to this thread as well!

Best Regards,
Patrick

I'm in the same boat as the others as the dealer is an installer and doesn't stock any of the products. That and the only ones he says he has for me to demo aren't the Velocity.

I still might buy them but it goes against everything I've stood for as far as listening to them first. That and I don't think he has a form of a return policy. Most folks just buy what he suggests and I understand why.

Does "run the speakers full range with a sub" mean: "set speakers to 'large,' run speaker wire from receiver to speaker connections of sub, and then from there to the speakers"?

Thanks!

the problem in running speakers large with a sub is that you may actually get less bass due to the waves cancelling each other out-I know I'm way over simplfying but some very respected authorities reccomend always seting to small.Of course like everything else its very room dependant,and the best is whatever sounds best to your own ears

Originally posted by Eyleron
Does "run the speakers full range with a sub" mean: "set speakers to 'large,' run speaker wire from receiver to speaker connections of sub, and then from there to the speakers"?

Thanks!

Sorry, I should have clarified. It means set the front speakers to "Large" and connect the speakers directly to the receiver/amp. Then also use the subwoofer output of the processor/receiver to your sub to augment the lower frequencies!

This is how I usually run my system for music. For movies it's probably best to set the fronts to "small", because the audio for HT is usually much louder and you might risk blowing the mains if there is alot of low freq. information being directed to the front main speakers.

FWIW, I always set my center and surrounds to "small". For people that have more capable center/surrounds, they usually go "large" all the way around!

Best Regards,
Patrick

Originally posted by lonwolf615
the problem in running speakers large with a sub is that you may actually get less bass due to the waves cancelling each other out-I know I'm way over simplfying but some very respected authorities reccomend always seting to small.Of course like everything else its very room dependant,and the best is whatever sounds best to your own ears

This is true to an extent. Actually many "respected authorities" or "audiophiles" recommend not using a sub at all, but using good "full range" speakers for music. That is why in a previous post in this thread I said running speakers full range with a sub "can be tricky". It can get even more tricky if you have multiple subs and have the mains set to "small".

In my particular room, it sounds much better with my speakers running full range, sometimes without a sub, as I've stated earlier! I do agree that in many situations it would be appropriate to run the speakers set to "small" and hopefully with the lowest crossover possible for music, somewhere around 50-60Hz, so the sub is less localizable. Though I know many have success with a 80Hz setting. Like lonwolf615 says "its very room dependant,and the best is whatever sounds best to your own ears"

Anyway, I degress from the purpose of this thread!

Best Regards,
Patrick

Hi all,

Great news! I just emailed the Director of sales at Phase Tech. and here was his response to Dealers not having Demos:

"Hey Patrick,

I certainly remember you.

Thank you for your patience and the link to the forum thread. Also, thanks so much for informing me of the interest in our products and the concern with the dealers who have no demo product. We will find a solution to this for both the customer and the dealer as well. Any dealer of ours has the ability to bring a speaker in for evaluation and return it if they feel the necessity to do so.

We do work with a lot of small custom dealers who typically have no showroom to even demonstrate product. They design whole house systems as opposed to sell boxes and rely on such things as model homes in which to demonstrate, but this is a “by appointment only” set up. If you know of anyone online that has an interest in hearing something, let them know to call the (888) PHASE-TK number and we’ll see what we can work out. It is great that this type of excitement is out there for our product."

Looks like Phase Technology is "stepping up to the plate". They have been very responsive with my inquires. I just emailed them 2 hours ago! And they are sending me out 2 new grills to replace the bad ones I had (which I think were damaged in shipping, but not sure).

Anyway, I hope this helps out!

Best regards,
Patrick

Very niiiiice!

Great news from Phase Tech!

However, I find it very unfortunate that 2 of the Phase Tech dealers in my area are not strictly custom installers only. They both have regular showrooms, just no Phase Tech product in the store at all.

By the way, to anyone with pricing info on the Velocity series, please PM me that information if you don't mind. I've found pricing on the PC series from onecall.com, but they don't have the Velocity series on their site.

Thanks,
Sean

Pricing info for the Velocity line:

hometheaterhifi.com/newsflash/phase-technology-velocity-speakers-9-2003.html

Thanks avaholic!

Originally posted by skellyo
Great news from Phase Tech!

By the way, to anyone with pricing info on the Velocity series, please PM me that information if you don't mind. I've found pricing on the PC series from onecall.com, but they don't have the Velocity series on their site.

Thanks,
Sean

Sean and others here is the Retail pricing list (It's ok to post "retail pricing" on the board as far as I know):

Velocity Series Line-Up:

V-12 SRP: $500.00 ea. / $1,000.00 pair

V-10 SRP: $375.00 ea. / $750.00 pair

V-8 SRP: $225.00 ea. / $450.00 pair

V-6 SRP: $250.00 ea. / $500.00 pair

V-4 SRP: $140.00 ea. / $280.00 pair

V-SURROUND SRP: $225.00 ea. / $450.00 pair

And here's the Subwoofers:

High-Velocity Subwoofer Series:

HV-1200
Powered Subwoofer – 12”
SRP: $600.00

HV-1000
Powered Subwoofer – 10”
SRP: $475.00

HV-800
Powered Subwoofer – 8”
SRP: $375.00

Hope this helps!
Patrick

Thanks for the pricing info!

By the way, I called Phase Tech and the lady took my name and number and is supposed to call me back tomorrow with possible options to demo the PC and Velocity Series speakers.

Originally posted by skellyo
By the way, I called Phase Tech and the lady took my name and number and is supposed to call me back tomorrow with possible options to demo the PC and Velocity Series speakers.

Great NEWS!!!

I'm glad I could help, and that Phase Tech. is really Stepping up big time!

Best Regards,
Patrick

skellyo: Please let us know what those demo options are!

Originally posted by Magliocchino
skellyo: Please let us know what those demo options are!

I will definitely do that. I'm very interested in hearing them to compare to what others are already on my list. I know my wife would certainly be happier if I found speakers cheaper than those on the top of the list currently (Sonus Faber Grand Piano).

Originally posted by skellyo
I will definitely do that.

Did you hear from Phase Tech. regarding the Demo options?

Thanks,
Patrick

I have an 18 inch high cabinet that stretches the entire length of my living room wall. On top of the cabinet I have a plasma tv between 2 bookshelf speakers. I would like to replace the bookshelf speakers with full range speakers because I don't want a subwoofer (apt dweller).

The V-12's look very attractive as mains for a 5.1 system; however, I'm not sure whether placing floorstanding speaker on top of an 18 inch high cabinet is such a good idea. The center speaker (possibly the V-6) will be placed in the cabinet right below the tv. Will the tweeters on the V-12's be too high above the center channel to create a seamless soundstage?

Originally posted by avaholic
Did you hear from Phase Tech. regarding the Demo options?


Nope, no phone call from them. I did call both jr.com and onecall.com to find out some real pricing info on the PC series. The guy at jr.com seemed eager to deal on the prices.

I did also go and listen to some Energy Veritas 2.2i's today. I really liked them, but for that much money I have a lot of other options.

Sean

Originally posted by skellyo
Nope, no phone call from them. I did call both jr.com and onecall.com to find out some real pricing info on the PC series. The guy at jr.com seemed eager to deal on the prices.
Sean

Hi Sean and others,

Good news, I contacted the Director of Sales again this (Sat.) morning, about Sean not being called. And he immediately sent me an email.

Here's an excerpt:

"Hey Patrick,

Thanks for the information. Have them contact me directly by email and I’ll make sure they get contacted and that things get worked out. I am somewhat available to take emails, except on the weekend, though I saw yours as I was shutting down and wanted to reply, and can make contacts. I do travel but I check emails at the end of the day while on the road. If you or anyone else needs anything during the weekday, you/they can call me too. If traveling, I forward my office phone to my cell phone and can usually return the call within a couple of hours. I can contact the nearest dealer to set up an audition or to contact the customer. I apologize for any inconvenience or ill will we created by not contacting the customer. "

OK, sounds like he ( Mark ) is willing to make things "right".

If anyone wants to contact Mark, shoot me a PM, and I will give you his contact info!

Best Regards,
Patrick

Hi all,

I should mention, I don't always look at my PMs.

So it would be a good idea to post to this thread to let me know you sent a PM.

Thanks,
Patrick

Originally posted by avaholic
Hi all,

I should mention, I don't always look at my PMs.

So it would be a good idea to post to this thread to let me know you sent a PM.

Thanks,
Patrick

Doh! Sent you a PM in response to your PM.

Sean

Can anyone compare the sound of the PhaseTechs to the Monitor Audio Bronze speakers or the KEF Q series? I need to use bookshelfs in my small room but if you've compare floorstanders it might give me a sense what they sound like. The closest dealer (not even sure they are a stocking dealer) is over 4 hours away from me, dagnabbit.

Bob

avaholic: you have a PM.

Originally posted by Sounds Simple
Can anyone compare the sound of the PhaseTechs to the Monitor Audio Bronze speakers or the KEF Q series? I need to use bookshelfs in my small room but if you've compare floorstanders it might give me a sense what they sound like. The closest dealer (not even sure they are a stocking dealer) is over 4 hours away from me, dagnabbit.

Bob

avaholic: you have a PM.

Got the PM's :)

I have not heard the Kef Q series, but I have heard the Monitor Audio line. Many people love detail, I am definately one of them. However, some peoples detail, is another's "bright" sounding speaker. To me the Monitors are detailed but a tad bright.
EDIT: Sorry I didn't mention this before, but other than being a touch bright (to my ears), I really liked the imaging and soundstage. One other thing I did not care for was the low end response. Not as much 'Punch" as the Velocity V-12.

I've heard similar things about the Kef Q series.

That said, to many, neither speaker is bright, just VERY detailed. The Velocity's are perfectly detailed to me. Other peoples ears may not be as sensitive as mine, but I personally love detailed, and "HATE" bright.

In the end you should listen to each speaker you are considering for yourself, in your own room if possible.

P.S. If you have not read my earlier posts (in this thread) regarding the Velocity speakers from Phase tech describing how they sound to me. Please do.

Good Luck,
Patrick

I demoed mon.silvers when I was hunting for speakers.There were a lot of things I liked about them but for me the phase techs had a more balanced sound.(someone used that earlier to refer to PT and I think it fits-everything is in proportion in the PT,which makes for a very lifelike sound,to me anyway).But still,someone else could easily prefer monitor-I liked them a lot too.All I could really say is theyre both worth listening and both would make my short list of ones to audition

Thanks lonwolf-

Which PTs did you demo?

Bob

I demoed the KEF Q7s and Q1s a few days ago. I was curious to hear the difference between a full-range floor stander (Q7) and the bookshelf (Q1) in a similar price range to the Phase Tech Velocities. The Q7s did have more "presence" and better separation between mid and high frequencies. Although they sounded quite good, I wasn't as totally blown away as I thought I'd be for roughly $1000 a pair (Q7s). I thought they sounded kind of "thin" if that means anything. Maybe I'm not used to "detailed". Not having heard the Phase Tech V-12s, I'm also curious if any one else has heard both.

Well,this was about a year ago,and I think it was the premiers,a discontinued line.They went for $1900 a pair I think.I had never heard of PT and had gone to listen to mirage omni,which weren't my cup of tea.I don't know how the velocity line compares and I'm kinda curious if they still have a more expensive line.But my point is they seemed a very good speaker for the money and I'm sure the whole company is a good value.I was a real newbie then(not that I'm much of an expert now)but as I demoed more and more brands the PT's grew in stature in my mind.I was upgrading from paradigm monitor series and though I heard a lot of speakers better than those the Pt's were the only ones that made my current system sound bad-compared to the PT the highs on the Paradigm sounded metallic to my ears.Vienna acoustic had highs as sweet but I would have had to spend twice as much for a VA model with as good an overall sound as PT.(The Beethoven-a great speaker IMO.but close to $4000 a pair)Polk Lsi series also comes to mind as comparable,but I didn't think they were as transparent as the PT's.It wasn't until I heard a properly setup pair of maggies (1.6)that I found a speaker I liked more at about the same price point as the PT.But those are ribbons,with their own set of disadvantages and virtues.(I heard maggies at other shops that sounded terrible.) They are much more room and electronics dependant than box speakers I think,so might cause a bigger investment in upgrading the rest of your system-they definately need a lot of clean current to sound good,plus a lot of room.But you might want to check them out if you can as a comparison to the Phase Tech.But as far as box speakers go I think I liked the PT as much or more than the more well known brands I heard.

Thanks Magliocchino

I wonder if Patrick (or others) can comment on the dispersion of the Velocity series. My room is small and I'll only be able to get about 7.5 between the fronts and the listening position. One thing that the KEF 2005s did well was provide good off-axis response (KEF specifies the frequency response 15-degrees off-axis for its speakers) even though I wasn't quite satisfied with the sound of the speakers. The KEF Q series is supposed to provide a much richer sound which is why I want to give them a listen.

I called PhaseTech to check if there is a dealer closer than what's listed on their website and the women I spoke with just pointed me to the website with a basic "oh, well" attitude. As someone who has spent years in sales and marketing, as well as running my own businesses, I was quite put off. Their closest dealer is about 3 hours away and doesn't have the Velocitys and their next closest dealer is 4 hours away and in the opposite direction of where I usually do my shopping.

Bob


Just saw your comment in the aff-axis respone thread, Patrick

Bob,

Regarding off-Axis response, that is one of Phase Techs. attributes. For a common "box speaker" they have one of the best off-axis responses of anything in thier price range. Do mostly to thier "Absolute Phase Crossover". My listening postion is only about 9' away, with the speakers only 6.5' apart. Needless to say, I think the Velocitys sound REALLY sweet! ;)

Regarding the Dealers, you should read ALL of my recent posts. I've been in contact with the Director of Sales at PT, and he said I could give people his email and phone number to work out demos for people. My guess is that he could get some Velocitys at that dealer that is 3 hours away without much problem.

You've got a PM!

Best Regards,
Patrick

Patrick-

I had read your post about contacting PT's Director of Sales but I am just venting that their dealer network is so thin (6 dealers in all of the most populous and third-largest state in the US). I may contact him but the closest dealer was supposed to call me back - he was interrupted by another call while explaining to me that the Teatros are the sonic equivalent (use the same drivers, crossover, etc) of the Velocitys in a lesser enclosure. He's yet to call me back and he is still quite out of the way unless I was headed to Yosemite (I chuckled when I saw his location because I only know the place from driving past it on the highway and seeing the "Raisin Capitol of the World" signs).

I normally head up to the SF Bay area to shop for electronics but their dealer is another 2 hours north of SF.

I appreciate your help though.

Bob

Update: The dealer just called me back - he sounds more like a custom installer - and is planning on ordering in the Velocitys once he clears the Teatros from his showroom. He's going to keep me posted.

Originally posted by Sounds Simple
Patrick-

I had read your post about contacting PT's Director of Sales but I am just venting that their dealer network is so thin (6 dealers in all of the most populous and third-largest state in the US). I may contact him but the closest dealer was supposed to call me back - he was interrupted by another call while explaining to me that the Teatros are the sonic equivalent (use the same drivers, crossover, etc) of the Velocitys in a lesser enclosure.

I normally head up to the SF Bay area to shop for electronics but their dealer is another 2 hours north of SF.

I appreciate your help though.

Bob

Hi Bob,

Yes, it seams they are working on improving thier Dealer situation. Though it seems "ALOT" of thier dealers are custom installers, that have no showroom.

Regarding the Teatro's being the "sonic equivalent" to the Velocity line. I owned the Teatro 11.5's, 6.5, and surrounds, And I'd say that is "pretty" accurate, though the tweeters in the Velocitys have a Much different faceplate, which really effects the the tonal quality, IMHO, for the better! The Detail Is MUCH smoother! Also, at high listening levels, the Teatro 11.5s would compress a little with thier 5 1/2" drivers. The V-12's do not have this problem when being pushed with thier two 7" drivers.

As for the dealers, I live 60 miles North of SF. I purchased mine from The World of Sound. There website is HERE (http://www.worldofsoundmarin.com/). You'll find thier contact info on thier web page. They are actually in Mill Valley, which is only 20-30 minutes North of SF. They don't stock the Velocitys currently, BUT if you contact the Director of Sales, I BET he can set something up for you!

In Santa Rosa there is a place called Soundscape, about 1 1/2 hours away from SF. They are good but don't stock the Velocitys either, and they are kind of flaky in my experience, but usually very knowledgable.

P.S. Here is a detailed description on Velocity line, and all the updates compared to the Teatros. Click HERE (http://www.phasetech.com/reviews/pdfs/VelocityLiterature.pdf)

Hope this helps,
Patrick

Patrick-

I was referring to Soundscape when I said 2 hours north. Does World of Sound stock the Velocitys? I see they are also KEF and Monitor Audio dealers - I'd love to be able to compare all threee speakers in the same space.

Thanks-
Bob

Originally posted by Sounds Simple
Patrick-

I was referring to Soundscape when I said 2 hours north. Does World of Sound stock the Velocitys? I see they are also KEF and Monitor Audio dealers - I'd love to be able to compare all threee speakers in the same space.

Thanks-
Bob

Bob,

Per my previous post:

"They don't stock the Velocitys currently, BUT if you contact the Director of Sales, I BET he can set something up for you!"

Also, check out that PDF I posted for more info on the Velocity line!

I'd be interested in your comparisons of the 3 different brands as well!

Best Regards,
Patrick

Don't worry about the "not much problem" as I am that dealer.

I will be getting some Velocity series speakers in within a month. I just need to clear out the Teatro's from the showroom.

Mr. Poindexter-

I had just checked out the Sonic Temple a couple of days ago. So you are the guy responsible for our power crunch two years ago. :D

Nice to put a system with a voice, BTW>

Bob

Bob,

Assuming Mark at Phase Tech. can get the Velocitys to World of Sound (which I'm sure he can), if your going all that way, make sure you bring your favorite CDs, DVDs etc.

Also, maybe you can call ahead of time and see if they could put similar electronics (to yours) in the listening room. Or better yet, see if they will let you bring your Receiver/Pre-Pro/Amp and CD player with you to connect to the speakers. That way you can get a more accurate assesment of the speakers as they would sound with your system. Ideally, of course you'd hear them in your own room as well!

Patrick

Patrick-

If I decide to go all the way up there, you can bet I will be loaded up with my favorite software.

Are you in the Russian River area? It sure is beautiful in there.

Bob

Originally posted by Sounds Simple
Patrick-

Are you in the Russian River area? It sure is beautiful in there.

Bob

Bob,

Actually, I'm not quite that far north and more on the coast. In the Bodega Bay area.

Good Luck with your Speaker quest!

Patrick

Bob,

Thanks. Yeah, I am the guy sucking all the juice up here. I find it really nice to have a good reference handy when you want to hear how nice a pair of realistically priced speakers performs. I have the IRS for my personal system. When I had to pick out a set of speakers that would fit into a price range I could sell, Phase Tech was the winner.

My local "custom installer/dealer" which seems to be the norm just got back to me again(he's quite good). and I am seriously leaning on buying some sight unheard(which is a nono for me even).

Does anyone know if the finish affects the price at all?

Originally posted by Shane Martin

Does anyone know if the finish affects the price at all?

Hi Shane,

When I asked my dealer, he said no. Both finishes cost the same.

Best Regards,
Patrick

Patrick,
I sent you a PM regarding a few other questions I had in regards to them.

Originally posted by Shane Martin
Patrick,
I sent you a PM regarding a few other questions I had in regards to them.

Just sent a reply PM off Shane!

Does anybody know what's the recommended minimum clearance the back of the V-12's should have from a wall? Thanks.

Originally posted by DAILOB
Does anybody know what's the recommended minimum clearance the back of the V-12's should have from a wall? Thanks.

I'd like to know also. *bump*

Originally posted by DAILOB
Does anybody know what's the recommended minimum clearance the back of the V-12's should have from a wall? Thanks.

They are front ported, so you could get away with a position a little closer than if they were rear ported. I have mine about 21" away. When I had the rear ported Phase Tech. Teatro's, Tech. support said they should be at least 18" from the back wall. That said, you could use that as some sort of bench mark. But, my guess is you could pretty easily get away with 12" or so, because of the front porting.

Most manufacturers often state 24" as a standard to shoot for. But, it really is room dependant. So, with the V-12's I'd say 18" would be safe, with a high likely hood that you could go down to 12". Send them an email from thier site to be sure. They are very responsive!

Good Luck,
Patrick

Talk about frustration - my local Pioneer Elite dealer used to carry the Phase Tech line. I was in there today to look at the Elite 55TXi and 47Ai - he didn't have the 55TXi but the player looked nice.

They are getting one in and I'm going to demo the Elites with his MA S2s and some Polk LSis.

The interesting thing is that they said I really should take a listen to the Phase Techs - his only negative comment was the cabinet appearance (this was with the Teatros and PC lines).

He said he may still have a PC system at the other store which could be interesting.

Bob

"his only negative comment was the cabinet appearance (this was with the Teatros and PC lines)."

I don't understand this. The PC Series has some very, very good cabinet construction with beautiful veneers. An added touch is a rounding of all the corners, which give a nice touch. I would say they are top notch as far as cabinet apearance and quality goes. Real furniture grade stuff.

The PC series definately has High grade veneer finishes.
The Teatro and Velocity have Vinyl, that is probably what the dealer was talking about! They are still nice for Vinyl though. What does the dealer expect for such a great speaker that is as balanced as it gets anywhere near this price range! :)

Best Regards,
Patrick

How would the Velocity 12 Grand Home Theatre System work in a room 23' by 14' with 8' ceilings?

Originally posted by estern54
How would the Velocity 12 Grand Home Theatre System work in a room 23' by 14' with 8' ceilings?

It would easily work in that size room. Though in the price range of thier 12" sub, I would recommend a SVS, HSU, or Stryke Mini-Thunder for a sub instead! The PT would be great for music, and probably adequate for HT, but if you crave that extra BASS, like I do I would recommend one of these 3!

Best, Regards,
Patrick

I came across this thread while researching what people were saying about speakers that sound good off axis.

My HT will actually be a large game room (32' x 24') with the theater at one end, and other stuff in the room like a pool table etc.

I have pretty much been planning on using M&K's (S-150's).

Any of you PT fans compared with these MK's, or heard them and have a comparison?

Thanks in advance if so! Bob.

Bob,

If you're looking for good off-axis speakers, the MK's are definately not it! They are designed mostly for movie applications, and for that they really excel. So if you are planning on using them for music too, and would like a wider "sweet spot" you might want to look elsewhere. My brother has some MKs and they are truly great for HT, but I really don't like them for music. Some people do, I'm just not one of them. I like a HUGE soundstage for music, and IMHO the MKs don't have it. As stated many times on this forum (by me ;) ) the Phase Tech. Velocitys have it all, HUGE 3-dimensional soundstage, great imaging, and excellent detail (without being bright).

Of course that is just my opinion, you really should test drive yourself and see which you like better!

Best Regards,
Patrick

Ok Gang,

I seriously want to consider the Phase Tech Velocity Series. I would be replacing Axioms. Who has the best prices online? Our room is 20x14x8. Which speakers would you recommend for 50% HT and 50% music? Thanks!

Tom

I would like to add that we are in a townhome with a shared common wall in the living room. Not needing the most poerful speaker at this time.

I just heard the V-12's and I say hands down go V-12's if you have the clams regardless. A very smooth sounding well balanced speaker...and these weren't even broken in yet, alot of good stuff for the money. The sounded good with everything I threw at it, from AC\DC to Miles Davis. My Ascend 340's are coming in today...I will be comparing the two.

Originally posted by oontahey
I just heard the V-12's and I say hands down go V-12's if you have the clams regardless. A very smooth sounding well balanced speaker...and these weren't even broken in yet, alot of good stuff for the money. The sounded good with everything I threw at it, from AC\DC to Miles Davis. My Ascend 340's are coming in today...I will be comparing the two.

Jeff,

Did Phase Tech. get a demo setup for you at your local dealer, or did they already have them?

Patrick

They had everything but the V-12's and just got them in. I heard them pretty much as they were pulling them out of the box. If you are in Houston, Audio Concepts has the full Velocity line to hear.

Oontahey,
Let us know how they compare sound wise to the Ascends. I don't really care for the plain looks of the Ascends but I'm curious how you feel the sound is.

Well, I did it. Order a V-12 grand theater minus the sub. Was able to get a 15% discount here in Chicago. Hope to have by the end of the week. Yehhaww!

Great news Tom! Another member of the Phase Tech. family! :D

Congratulations! Please post your impressions after you get them setup!

Patrick

PurdueAlum,

Where did you get your Phase Tech speakers in Chicago? I live about 2 hours away in the middle of Illinois and would be interested in visiting another Phase Tech store.

Patrick,

Thanks for your answers in the thread I started. As it turns out, the closest store to me with Phase Tech and Paradigm only sells the PC series. The closest store to me with Paradigm Monitors and the Phase Tech velocity series in the same store is 6 and a half hours away in my hometown!

The local Phase Tech store is willing to let me take a pair of V-8s home for a night, so I think I will do that this weekend. I will also see if I can get the Monitor 3s for the night at the same time. When I go to pick up the V-8s, I will look into seeing if the V-8s and V-12s sound substantially different.

HB

Columbia Audio Video in Highland Park. Ask for Dave Strauss. Tell him Thomas Molnar sent you.

Tom,
Nice. Welcome to the club. I will be joining in March.
My brother has some MKs and they are truly great for HT, but I really don't like them for music.
Neither do I. Part of the reason maybe because I prefer music w/o the sub and they are designed to be played back with a subwoofer.

Keep in mind I do own an M&K sub now so I'm not anti-M&K.

I should be coupling this with a SVS PB2+ once I part with my M&k Mx90.

oontahey: Did you evr get the Ascends? I'm curious to hear your opinion and how they compare to the V-12's.

I listened to the KEF Q7s and the Klipsch R-35s. I must admit that for some reason I was hoping to like the KEFs, but I definately liked the Klipschs better. Much more open sound. Has anyone compared the Klipsch R-35 to the Phase Tech V-12?

Hi guys, I will post a comparison, I am hoping to do a side by side this weekend. I will post back after that. I have the ascend 340's and granted, they are not as pretty as the cool silver on the Velocity's, but they still look great, especially on the matching stands. My girl actually prefers the ascend look and slimmer footprint. But I am only concerned with the sound speakers make, they can look like eggplants for all I care.

I will say this...they do sound different, but I don't think anyone would be making a mistake by going with either one. I will try to describe the differences as I hear them. I will also say that I will be comparing the 500$ Ascend 340's to the 1000$ V-12. The V-12 is the only speaker in the line that is in the class of the 340 IMO. I reserve the right to change my mind, and without the benefit of a side by side comparison, the price equivalent V-8 cannot hang with the 340 for music IMO.

Originally posted by purduealum91
Well, I did it. Order a V-12 grand theater minus the sub. Was able to get a 15% discount here in Chicago. Hope to have by the end of the week. Yehhaww!

Tom,

Have you had any time to enjoy the Velocitys? If so, please let us know your thoughts.
Originally posted by oontahey
Hi guys, I will post a comparison, I am hoping to do a side by side this weekend. I will post back after that

Jeff,

Did you get a chance to compare the V-12s to the Ascends?

Best Regards,
Patrick

Hi

I finally reached a decision and bought a pair of V-8s.

Patrick, I compared the V-8s and the V-12s and they were very similar. I think that the reason they sounded harsh was the room. The store let me try the V-8s out over the weekend and at home they sounded fantastic. I am also going to get a V-6 for a center, but I am in a real quandry as far as the surrounds.

I would say I listen to SACD/DVD-Audio and movies about 50/50. The store where I got the V-8s doesn't have the V-surrounds in store, but they will order them. They do have a room with the discontinued PC-surrounds so we tried an informal test with the "Yoshimi Battles the Pink Robots" Dolby Digital track. The left and right surround information was really quiet and diffuse, even in Bipole mode. Since the room is a dedicated home theater with the speakers permanently mounted in place, I'm not sure I can abstract that sound to my apartment. Still, I am pretty concerned about getting the V-surrounds sound unheard.

I asked the guy who did the demo for me if the surround volume was turned down in the amp, but he didn't know how the system was set-up. He told me to come back when the guy who hooked it up was arround, so I will do that in the next few days. Until then, I was hoping to get some opinions on whether V-surrounds in bipole mode will work for aggressive 5.1 music mixes, or if I should just get a pair of V-8s for the surrounds (the V-4s didn't sound too good to me).

Thanks,

HB

Patrick, I did not get a chance this weekend to compare, I am hoping for Wednesday or Thursday.

Originally posted by harync
Hi

I finally reached a decision and bought a pair of V-8s.

Until then, I was hoping to get some opinions on whether V-surrounds in bipole mode will work for aggressive 5.1 music mixes, or if I should just get a pair of V-8s for the surrounds (the V-4s didn't sound too good to me).

Thanks,

HB

HB,

Glad to hear you like the V-8's!

If it were me, I'd go with the V-surrounds. I actually listen to more Multi-Channel music than movies, And the V-surrounds in Bipole mode is amazing. One continuous soundfield with the front soundstage. The PC series might have not been setup for good multi-channel listening. Many turn down the surround channels quite a bit for movie watching. Check in with them if you'd like, but I would still highly recommend the Velocity surrounds.

Jeff,

Thanks for the update!

Best Regards,
Patrick

Patrick,

I went back, and it turns out the amplifier was set to some weird THX mode, so after things were adjusted the PC-surrounds sounded a little more even. I went ahead and ordered the V-surrouds, but I told the salesman my concerns. He said that if the V-surrounds sounded really bad in my system, he would let me swap them for some V-8s, so it looks like I am all set. Unfortunately my V-6 and V-surrounds won't be in until next Monday, but I will let you know how they sound when I get them.

Thanks for all of the advice.

HB

HB,

Not a problem!

Sounds like you have your bases covered! I look forward to hearing what you think of the whole package.

Best Regards,
Patrick

purduealum91 (Tom) and oontahey (Jeff),

Do you guys have any thoughts on the Velocities you'd like to share?

Just a little curious! :D

Best Regards,
Patrick

Originally posted by purduealum91
Ok Gang,

I seriously want to consider the Phase Tech Velocity Series. I would be replacing Axioms. Who has the best prices online? Our room is 20x14x8. Which speakers would you recommend for 50% HT and 50% music? Thanks!

Tom

Tom,

I didn't see anyone address this. So I wanted to throw out a word of caution. I've not personally encountered this yet since I only sell locally. So I am uncertain of how Phase Tech would handle the situation.... buuuut.... as a dealer for Phase Tech, it very explicitly stipulates in my dealer agreement that Internet sales are strictly forbidden and are grounds for immediate termination of the dealership agreement. You can not sell speakers to anyone outside of your geographical area. No speakers are allowed to be shipped to customers and must be in person sales.

As such, I don't believe you will find any dealers to sell to you over the Internet. If you do, you might want to check with Phase Tech before making the purchase. They may void your warranty for purchasing in an unauthorized manner.

If you do not have a local dealer for Phase Tech, they may make exceptions and point you to the closest dealers of record and allow you to purchase over the phone. But I would at least check further on the situation before spending the money on the speakers.

Whatever way you go, at least find a way to hear the speakers. They're worth the effort. Great home theater speakers that sound pretty darn good on music as well. I think they are one of the best values in the industry by far considering their extremely modest price tag. Thus the reason I carry them!! :) They're not up to the sound quality of a Von Schweikert, nor do they have the gorgeous cabinetry of an Usher Dancer series, but they sound great on a variety of equipment, and cost significantly less than those brands!! If you're on a tight budget, you can't go wrong with them...

I've been looking for a set of 5 speakers for $1500-2000 and saw this thread. I also found out there is a dealer that carries PhaseTechs 2 miles from my house.

I went there yesterday and auditioned the V-12s and V-10s as well as the KEF Q7s for a little bit. Right now, I am leaning towards getting 2 V-12s, a V-6 and 2 V-8s for surrounds. The salesperson recommended getting the V-8s for surrounds because my living room is wide open w/ no real back wall. Any thoughts on this setup?

Out of the speakers I've heard so far (Klipsch, KEF, Definitive, Athena, Infinity) I liked these the best. I'm going to check out some Paradigms on Thursday and hopefully a few more brands as well.

Greetings!

I've had my V-12s for about a month now, and have been listening to a fairly even mix of 2-ch audio from CDs and 5.1 audio from DVDs, HDTV, and DVD-audio... (probably a little more 5.1 from HDTV than the others.)

My setup is a Denon 3803, the V-12 mains, an Infinity center-channel, a Hsu VTF-2 sub (in max extension mode), and some no-name, full-range, indoor/outdoor, 2-way mini speakers as surrounds. (yeah, yeah, I know)

For 2-channel music, the V-12s are very smooth: nice, even response from the low-end to highs, at all volume levels. I've heard my Denon receiver described as being on the 'bright' side, but with the V-12s this is balanced out nicely. The V-12's produce a really detailed audioscape -- I'm hearing new instruments and effects (especially in the lower-midrange) on my CDs that just weren't there before.

BTW, the Hsu sub blends very nicely with the V-12s in a 2.1 configuration.

The V-12s are apparently very efficient, since I had to pump up my center channel +3db and my surrounds +4db to get a reasonable balance in the 5.1 arrangement. (That probably says more about my crappy center & surrounds than the V-12s though...)

For 5.1 music and home theater viewing, I'm really happy with the excellent soundstage and imaging the V-12s are producing. My room layout/speaker placement is not optimal (everything is kinda skewed to the right, relative to the couch), and I was a little worried that I'd lose the audio image, but there turned out to be a good-sized sweet-spot with the V-12s -- enough to easily cover the whole couch.

The V-12s are fairly tall, with the bottom-brackets and carpet spikes installed, they're about 4' high. I think the footprint is roughly 8.5" X 11", plus an inch on each side for the bottom-brackets. Construction is excellent, and they can be bi-wired. This is going to sound goofy, but I really like the metal grill on the front ...because we have cats... They're just not interested in these speakers like they were with my old speakers that had cloth-covered fronts.

Overall, I'm really happy with the price/performance of these speakers. I think I'd have to spend a lot more money to get even marginally better performance. My next upgrade will probably be to get the V-Surrounds, eventually followed by a V-6 to replace the center channel.

Thanks to everyone in this thread who recommended these speakers, you got me on the right track!

cheers!

Nick: Can you elaborate a little on how the Q7s compared with the V-12s?

Thanks,
Anthony

I'm not exactly an audiophile, but they sounded quite similar. The Q7s seemed to have a bit more bass. I'm actually might be going there today to do a more extensive audition with my own CDs. I will check out the Q7s more, but they are a little more than I want to spend. I could be convinced, however...

Nick: Here in Salt Lake the Q7s are the same price as the V-12s. I would have to special order the Phase Techs just to hear them so I'm curious how they compare to the Q7s, which I have heard.

Also, which Klipschs did you listen to and how did they compare? I liked the RF-35s better than the Q7s. The Klipschs seemed to have better separation in the mids and highs.

I can't remember the model numbers of the Klipsch speakers I heard, but they were ranged between $400-600 each. I liked them at first, but I found the sound overly bright and it got kind of tiring. I'm definitely going to check out the Q7s more today or tomorrow, though.

I listened to the V-12s for about an hour yesterday. Unfortunately, they had moved them to a different room so I didn't get a chance to compare to the Q7s. I really liked the V-12s and I think we'll be buying them. They had them hooked up to a high end pre-amp and amp and a Sony 999 DVD/SACD player. They sounded incredibly good. When I first heard the bass I thought they had a sub on quietly somewhere in the room, but it was just the V-12s.

I'm still going to stop by a couple more places tonight and tomorrow to check some other speakers out (at least some Paradigms), but the V-12s sound exactly how I like a speaker to sound, so I think they will be my choice.

When I first heard the bass I thought they had a sub on quietly somewhere in the room, but it was just the V-12s.

That's one thing I always like about Phase Tech. They do a great job tuning the low end on all their models. Usually to very surprising results. I have been running a pair of PC 9.1's without a sub for more than a year and don't miss any low end. Very smooth, musical bass.

Looks like I will be ordering a full array of Phase Tech Velocity's soon in the following config:

V12 mains in Maple
V6 center in Maple
V-Surrounds in Black for rears
V-4's for Rear centers(x2) for 7.1

The subwoofer will be an SVS PB2+

"Unfortunately, they had moved them to a different room so I didn't get a chance to compare to the Q7s."

I can't win.

Well, I am going back Friday and they will be back with the Q7s, so I'll still check them out.

I listened to both the V-12s and Q7s yesterday. I personally preferred the sound of the V-12s and I'm not really considering the Q7s anymore. The V-12s pretty much sound exactly like I prefer a speaker to sound. Detailed without being bright or harsh and with nice, smooth bass.

We've basically narrowed it down to 2 systems:

2 x V-12
1 x V-6
2 x V-8

or

2 x B&W 603
1 x B&W LCR600
2 x B&W 601

The B&W system is about $200 more than the PT. The only thing that slightly worries me about the PT setup is the V-6. It just seems like a pretty small center channel, but seemed to sound fine. The LCR600 is a much bigger center, but also costs twice as much. I'm going to listen to the PTs again today, and concentrate more on DVDs to make sure I like the V-6 as a center.

We also listened to some Paradigm Monitor 7s today, and I liked the V-12s and B&W 602 and 603s better.

I think if I can get a 10% or so discount on the PTs, it will be my choice for sure.

Originally posted by nick_ernzen
The only thing that slightly worries me about the PT setup is the V-6. It just seems like a pretty small center channel, but seemed to sound fine. The LCR600 is a much bigger center, but also costs twice as much. I'm going to listen to the PTs again today, and concentrate more on DVDs to make sure I like the V-6 as a center.


Nick,

Let your ears be the judge for sure! But I have owned the V-6 for a few months and the Teatro 6.5 (essentially the same speaker) before that. I can tell you by far it is the best center I have ever owned. I too was concerned by it's size.

Check out his great review on the Teatro 6.5 (http://www.hometheatermag.com/loudspeakers/54/index1.html) It's from a faceoff with two other higher priced centers.

BTW: I listened to a $2500 pair of B&W floorstanders (can't remember the model #) And went away thinking the V-12's sounded better overall!

Best Regards,
Patrick

Have you listened to the B&W's for a long time at one setting? The B&W's got a little fatiguing after a while and the only way to find out if that's an issue for you is to listen at a preferred level for a while and see how it goes.

Well, we picked up the Phase Techs yesterday. We ended up going with 2 V-12s and 3 V-8s. We listened to both the V-6 and V-8 as a center and we all preferred the V-8. We were able to get 10% off all of the speakers and the salesman is even going to come by the house and help us get it all calibrated correctly next week.

The V-12's sound perfect. Anyone know where I can order some online or purchase locally in the South Bay/San Jose/Santa Clara area?

exsilio,

The Velocity line cannot be purchased online. The closest dealer to you I think is in Mill Valley, called World of Sound. Here's thier website: World of Sound (http://www.worldofsoundmarin.com/) . I think they were planning on getting some Demo's at the store any day now.

There may be a dealer in the south bay, somewhere closer to you. Why don't you give Phase Tech. a call tomorrow. 1-888-742-7385.

Best Regards,
Patrick

Thanks for the tip Patrick. I will be sure to check it out. ;)

oontahey: Just curious if you ever had the chance to compare the V-12s with the Ascends? I'd love to hear your opinions.
Thanks,
Anthony

Originally posted by exsilio
Thanks for the tip Patrick. I will be sure to check it out. ;)

exsilio,

Not a problem! Let us know what happens!

Best Regards,
Patrick

I just wanted to say that I picked up a Phase Tech Power 12 subwoofer recently. I was a bit concerned because it is rated at only 125 watts and is a fairly conventional design.

However I must say that I've been very impressed with the sub. For a ported subwoofer the bass seems nice and tight with impressive output for a small/medium sized room. It will shake the walls a bit if called on for that. It has exceeded my expectations and seems to be better then what the specs would indicate.

I would like to know more about it so if anyone had more info besides 125 watt amp 12" driver then it would be nice to know. Is it an actual servo controlled sub? How does that work? Any peak output #s? Thanks.

I thought some of you might want to know that there is a small review of the Phase Tech. V-10 system available. It's not the most detailed review, but it is positive none the less. Here's the link: LAaudiofile (http://www.laaudiofile.com/v10system.html)

Here's a small quote from the review:

"The soft dome tweeters used in the Velocity series loudspeakers exhibit a smooth, yet detailed characteristic in the high frequencies. The bass-midrange driver was fairly warm sounding without the harshness one might expect in a mid-fi speaker system. The best part was sound moved smoothly and seamlessly from speaker to speaker without distracting discontinuities. Even the front and rear speakers were fairly close in timbre which is not always true unless they are identical speakers. We found that the speakers exhibited consistent sound from a wide range of seating positions in our home theater room."

Also, I heard there will be another V-10 system review in Sound & Vision mag. in May.

So far there is nothing in the very near future regarding the V-12 floorstanders though.

Best Regards,
Patrick

Here is a couple more reviews coming next month:

E Gear Magazine – April issue – V8 Review

DVD, Etc. – April issue - V10 Review

Best Regards,
Patrick

I read the Sound and Vision review of the V-10 system. It was not all that flattering.
Anthony

Originally posted by Magliocchino
I read the Sound and Vision review of the V-10 system. It was not all that flattering.
Anthony

No offense Anthony,

But how could you have read the Sound and Vision review of the V-10 system, if it's not available until the May issue??

Being March right now, did I miss something? Do they have an early release or something? I wouldn't mind hearing what it said, and I'm sure others would be intersted as well, could you elaborate?

Thanks,
Patrick

Patrick-

The April issue of S&V looked at the Velocity V-10s and a JBL and Sapphire Audio systems, as well. He seemed to like the JBLs best.


Bob

Thanks Bob!

I was told that the V-10 System, ie: V-10, V-6 center and V-surrounds was to be reviewed for the May issue. But not the V-10s alone, oh well, I'll have to go check it out. I guess they decided to review the V-10 by itself as well.

It be interesting to hear the differences between the V-10 and V-12. Are you still planning an audition?

I might have to go down to World of Sound again one of these days and check out how the V-10 sounds.

Anyway thanks for the clarification.

Best Regards,
Patrick

Patrick-

They were all 5.1 set-ups. Well, JBL was a 5.2 and the Sapphire was using built-in woofers without a sub.

Bob

Thanks once again Bob.

I guess Phase Tech. was off by a month in what they told me.

I wonder if one of the things they didn't like about the Phase Techs was the sub not going low or loud enough, that was always my concern with them. I usually never recommend thier subs for this reason. I'll have to check out the review.

Best Regards,
Patrick

Patrick-

He mentioned that the sub bottomed out on a Led Zep DVD.

Also, from the article:

On some tracks i felt the V-10 towers' spatial delineation was slightly less precise than that of the other two systems, but for the most part their imaging was very good.


He seemed to like the Phase Techs overall, but I got the impression that he preferred the JBLs.

Bob

Bob,

I figured the sub would have issues!

Interesting about the spatial delineation with regards to the imaging. I feel the V-12's really excel in this area. Maybe with the V-10 having only one bass/mid driver to cover the midrange and the bass has something to do with this. As opposed to sharing the bass freq. load below 300Hz with the lower bass driver like the V-12 does. Phase Tech. called me at home one day to return a question I had on the crossovers used in the V-12's, and he told me that even though the two 7" drivers in the V-12 look identical, that they were designed differently. One is designed to handle bass and midrange, and the other just for bass, sharing the load with freq. below 300Hz with the full range driver.

Anyway, your a wealth of information Bob! Keep up the good work!

Patrick

Ok being that I'm about to buy some I was really curious about this negativity that was mentioned in the article so I picked up both the April Issues of Dvd ETC which reviewed the same system as the S&V folks.

Here are a few snippets besides the "spatial delineation" comment from above.

I'm sure you will like this system as much as I did
From reading the review other than the Subwoofer bottoming out, I didn't notice any negativity towards them. He found the Sapphires fatiguing He did like the JBL's. Being that I'm not buying the PT subwoofer, I thought the review was rather good. While he didn't specifically state a preference, I would guess he would rate them:

JBL
PT
Sapphire

The biggest thing I think is that the JBL's had 2 subs for the price. Personally I'm skipping them all and buying an SVS :)

Dvd Etc gave it a 98 out of 100 score. I can quote a few things from there if you want but it's a pretty glowing review. They said it was a bargain at 3 times the price.

Shane,

Good to hear from you again!

Did you see my last post to Bob? I think the imaging might be a little better with the V-12 compared to the V-10, but I can't be sure. You are planning on getting the V-12's still right?

I would definately like to hear more about that DVD, Etc. review.

Thanks,
Patrick

Patrick,
Yes I did see the last post. I get the feeling that the V12's will imagine a bit better over the 10's. I still plan on getting the V12's with v6 center, v-surrounds, v4 rears along with an SVS PB2+.

The DVD Etc is the April 2004. I just picked up both of these at the B&N store. It is a glowing review to say the least.

There is also an Ascend Review in the back as well.

Shane,

That's going to be a pretty kick-a** system, sombody better warn your neighbors! When are you going load up that credit card? :D

I'll go check out those two magazines this weekend.

Also, did you catch the little mini-review from LAaudiofile?

Best Regards,
Patrick

That's going to be a pretty kick-a** system, sombody better warn your neighbors! When are you going load up that credit card?
Couch this next week, Sub and speakers probably in 1-3 weeks. Then I have to worry about powering this stuff...My Sony has to go.

Trying to decide between Rotel and Denon right now.

Originally posted by Shane Martin

Trying to decide between Rotel and Denon right now.

From what I've heard of Rotel (RSX 1067) and Denon (4803) AVRs, both should excel for movies combined with the Phase Tech. Velocitys. If I remember right you'll be using this setup mostly for movies, right? What models are you looking at?

Though I've never heard either brand connected to the Velocitys, for music IMHO, Rotel would have the edge. But that is only based on the demos I've done at local dealers connected to various speakers. I really like the Rotel sound, if I didn't love my 55TXi/47Ai i.Link combo so much, they would be on my very short list.

Let us know how it all pans out!

Patrick

After reading this forum and this thread specifically, I have taken great interest in the Phase Tech's for my new home theater. I have been waiting for the opportunity to listen to them, but my local dealer only carries the Teatro's right now. I have high hopes that the V8 system will work for me, though admittedly this info is a little bit discouraging. I know better than to take every review for the gold standard, but I have nothing to base anything else on right now. Anyone out there have the V8 system that can comment on it? I would appreciated any insight. Thanks in advance.

BamaPT,

With the exception of the Velocity sub (again this is not Phase Techs strong suit), and the comment of a "slight" imaging issue with the V-10s, (I say this based on what others have said here regarding the S&V review), they have received high marks across the board, LAaudiofile, DVD, Etc. and even S&V (excluding the before mentioned issues). There also is a review coming out on the V-8s specifically (as mentioned earlier today) on E-Gear in the April issue! I know they are not the V-10s or V-8s, but again the imaging with the V-12's is spectacular IMHO.

There was a guy a couple of pages back who purchased a V-8 based setup, and he said the V-8s sound fantastic. I personally can also vouch for the V-6 and V-surrounds. If you read the whole thread you'll get some more info.

I will also tell you this having owned the Teatros as well, the Velocitys sound VERY similar. Though IMHO, the Velocitys have even smoother highs than the Teatro series.

Anyway, if you like the Teatro sound at all, I encourage you to contact Phase Tech. to see if they can setup a Demo for you somewhere! Shoot me a PM. I'll give you the contact info for the Director of Sales!

Best Regards,
Patrick

Thanks for the response Patrick. It's been a little while since I've read through the whole thread so I guess I missed that post on the V8's. I did like the Teatro's, but it was not the best demo setup. It was also about the first set of speakers I'd listened to too as I'm just getting started in my search. I would really like to get a demo of the V8's soon. I will be traveling to Chicago in a few weeks, and I am hoping to get out to a few shops around there and listen to as much as I can.

If I remember right you'll be using this setup mostly for movies, right? What models are you looking at?

A little of both. For my budget I can't consider the 1067 as its $2199 list and I doubt a dealer will come off that price by more than 20%. So I'm considering the 1056 + cheapie External amp(parasound, adcom, etc). The Rotel deal might not even happen as I am pushing my budget already..

Shane,

Well, I've heard the new 3805 can be had for around $1000, I think.
And I'm sure you've read my praise of the 55TXi which can be had for about $1075 shipped From an authorized dealer. It does not have DPL IIx though like the 3805 does. But the 3805 does not nave i.Link (which I cannot rave enough about :) ). The 55TXi/47Ai combo can now be had for right around $1700.

In any case you probably can't go wrong with either one paired with the Velocitys. But, I would definately try to demo the AVRs with the Velocitys if possible!

Good Luck,
Patrick

Hey Patrick, any thougts on which reciever (Marantz 6400 or Yamaha 1400) that would work better with the Phase Techs?

Hi BamaPT,

I may be the one Patrick is refering to as saying the V-8s sounded fanstastic (BTW Patrick, thanks for all of the advice). I have had my V-8 system (V8 mains, V6 center, V-surrounds) for about two weeks and I am very happy with it. As the LAaudiophile review said you definitely need a subwoofer to make up for the V-surrounds lack of bass output, but with bass management in an SACD/DVD-Audio player or a receiver it should be fine.

I can't comment on a Phase Tech subwoofer because I am currently using my old Sony front-firing subwoofer (don't want to get one of the down-firing Hsu's until I move out of my apartment; the downstairs neighbors don't like the Sony, so a Hsu would kill them).

The V-8s were actually the cheapest speaker in the store where I got my system, but they having been getting a lot of attention because of the sound quality for the price. I liked them better than Paradigm Monitor 3, Klipsh SB-3, and B&W DM602 speakers I listened to at other stores.

If you are going to Chicago, a previous poster got a V-12 system in Highland park, so you can check out the details in his post (PurdueAlum).

HB

Originally posted by gman62
Hey Patrick, any thougts on which reciever (Marantz 6400 or Yamaha 1400) that would work better with the Phase Techs?

gman62,

Actually, I have not heard those specific receivers. However, I have heard both brands over the years (Marantz on the "warm" side, and Yamaha on the "bright" side, usually, but depends on the individual). Either one should do fine with the Velocity line. One of the many good things about the Velocitys is that they are very effiecent (8 Ohm, with a sensitivity rating of 90db). It would really come down to which sounds better to you, features, and of course cost.
If cost and the sound are a toss up, I'd go for the 1400, because of the auto EQ, and THX (which I personally use all the time, some don't, but it's good to have the option).

In the end you should Demo both for yourself if possible. :)

Hope this helps!

HB, thanks for responding to BamaPT, I was in a hurry last night, and forgot it was you that bought the V-8's, sorry :o

Best regards,
Patrick

The V-8s were actually the cheapest speaker in the store where I got my system, but they having been getting a lot of attention because of the sound quality for the price.

That's the great thing about Phase Tech. The Phase Tech line is actually a side project of United Speaker Systems. They don't have to pull a huge profit from the Phase Tech sales to stay in business, so in the end the consumer wins.

James,
So what you are saying in effect is that the Phase tech line is underpriced then? :)

HB,
Thanks so much for the response and the info on the V8's. As I said, I'm just really getting started in my search for my new setup, but the Phase Tech's have caught my attention. My room will be 16x20 with hardwood floors and high trey/multi-level ceilings and three openings. I will have to go with bookshelves, primarily due to wall space (and the wife factor). I know that the V8's are a little bigger than most other bookshelves I've been looking at, as far as the measurements at least anyway. I am hoping that I can find something that will be able to do the job with this room. I will be running my speakers with a Yamaha RX-V1400 that I recently purchased. I will definitely be adding a sub also, most likely an SVS or HSU. Just in case anyone can make a comparison for me with the Phase Techs's, the other systems I have been considering might be Paradigms'(atoms/titans or mini monitors), Ascends, and Axioms. I am a little leery of going with internet directs, but I know those two companies get great reviews here also. Thanks again for everyone's input.
BamaPT

Hey guys, I found a licensed dealer in my area who was willing to order a system for me to demo, but when he called phase tech today to order the speakers they said that they were just going into their production run shortly and that there'd been a shortage of packaging materials (the boxes they go in, etc I guess). It might be a couple weeks, but they told him to check out Atlantic Technology (http://www.atlantictechnology.com/) because they were very similar (I was looking at the velocity line in particular). Have any of you guys heard of these speakers? I'm probably just going to wait on the PhaseTech, but I was just wondering if anyone knew of these other options.

Let me get this straight.... Phase Technology couldn't fill the order because they don't have stock right now in the model you want. So they told you to buy another speaker system from a different manufacturer rather than waiting for their own?

Was this what the dealer told you they said?

I have no doubt thanks to my dealings with them, that everyone is a very honest and up front individual at Phase Technology and they would do everything in their power to satisfy you.

However, that story, if it came from your dealer, sends off warning bells to me.....

I just ordered a complete Velocity package today (V-12, V-surround, V-6) in Sun Maple and some Premier collection models to demo for potential clients. I ordered them over the phone and no one there mentionned anything at all about being out of packaging materials.

Atlantic Technology stuff is good stuff as well. A viable alternative, but I would wait out the Phase Tech stuff.....

This sounds odd bu I agree with Shane ^ :)

I called them last week and they said the wait is near nothing right now.. Looks like I plan on ordering next week or the week following.

I agree. It sounded fishy to me as well, but I have no reason not to trust the dealer as of yet. On the contrary he has been pretty helpful and sells the phase techs a decent amount below MSRP.

I wondered if Atlantic Technology was perhaps another subsidiary of United Speaker Systems (though I didn't see it on their website). I guess it is also possible that he isn't ordering the phase techs directly through the company. Any idea what the issue might be? I wondered since I saw many posts by people on this thread that have already ordered or received their speakers.

At any rate I do intend to wait out for the phase techs, I'm just wondering if there is anything to be wary of.

Phase Tech does a lot of business through distribution. They cater to the custom installer market, and custom installers with demonstration space. They seemed kind of surprised when I called them up and asked to be a full blown dealer instead of going through a distributor.

Your dealer may be getting them through his local distributor and the local distributor may also carry Atlantic Tech...

Atlantic Tech could also be made by United Speaker... I'm really not sure and would have to check further. That very well may be why they recommended them....

Shane

Originally posted by Eiyoo
but they told him to check out Atlantic Technology (http://www.atlantictechnology.com/) because they were very similar (I was looking at the velocity line in particular). Have any of you guys heard of these speakers?

Atlantic Technology is not even close to being similar to Phase Tech.!:confused: Atlantic Tech. are sealed designs and "MOST" of them are THX certified. Having heard them both, IMHO, they are not similar! Sounds to me like he wanted to sell higher priced speakers!

Best Regards,
Patrick

Thanks guys, going to wait the 2 weeks for the phase techs anyway, so it's not too much of an issue (I hope).

BamaPT and others,

I just read the E-Gear review of the V-8 based system. It really does not go into specifics, but here's an interesting quote:

"The Velocity series was designed to retain the same sonic character in a variety of different contexts. You can listen to it from off to the sides, or in another part of the room, and your music will sound the same. The overall character of the speakers is warm and they sound like analog, which is not only a good quality, but a surprising one, in view of the titanium woofers. Instead of sounding brittle, as many metal drivers do, they sound speedy. That speed, combined with the fact that the woofer stays in phase with the tweeter, results in coherent timing that gives the sound through these speakers palpable momentum"

and

"In terms of sonic presence and accuracy, they compare favorably to many other brands in this price range that I've heard, and in terms of overall versatility, they out-do most of them. Whether stereo or multi-channel, active listening or background, on axis or off, the music keeps its shape"

Anyway, another positive review worth checking out!

BTW Shane, you were right that DVD, Etc. review is quite glowing, I just picked that one up along with the one from S&V.

Best Regards,
Patrick

All this buzz about the Velocitys and I still haven't heard them. Fortunately, I'll be in Phoenix for the next few days and may have an opportunity to directly compare them to the KEF Q series.

Bob

So what you are saying in effect is that the Phase tech line is underpriced then?

I wouldn't say underpriced. How about comptetively priced? Definitely not overpriced. Even at retail, great bang-for-the-buck.

Originally posted by Sounds Simple
All this buzz about the Velocitys and I still haven't heard them. Fortunately, I'll be in Phoenix for the next few days and may have an opportunity to directly compare them to the KEF Q series.

Bob

Bob,

Hope you get a chance to hear them side by side with the same electronics in the same room. As HB found out setup conditions can widely vary from store to store! Although it seems most of the time it's hard to find places that carry two of any particular speaker someone wants to audition

Of course even if you can't do a side by side, let us know your impressions!

Best Regards,
Patrick

I called OneCall.com and they said that they could order the velocity line for me. This is good because I can use their card for six months no payments no interest financing. Pretty good prices too. Also they are a certified retailer.

Originally posted by bestboy4
I called OneCall.com and they said that they could order the velocity line for me. This is good because I can use their card for six months no payments no interest financing. Pretty good prices too. Also they are a certified retailer.

Yes, they are an authorized dealer. Seeing as I am a new Phase Tech dealer and it specifically stipulated in the agreements I signed that I was only permitted to sell in my local area, I was curious how onecall was permitted to sell over the internet.

Well, I learned something new today from Phase Tech. As long as there is no local dealer in the customer's immediate area (defined by a geograpical radius extending out from the dealership location as the center point), any dealer (including me I guess :) )can sell to and ship speakers to that customer. I had thought that Phase Tech was local only. I guess not :)

bestboy4,

Since Laurel, Maryland is actually well within the geographic area of at least one authorized Phase Tech dealer up there, I wouldn't advertise about Onecall's willingness to ship to you. Technically, that breaks their contract with Phase Tech and will get them in trouble :)

Oops, forget I said anything! I'm now disavowing any info concerning Onecall's involvement in selling Phase Tech Velocities over the internet :D

Originally posted by bestboy4
I called OneCall.com and they said that they could order the velocity line for me. Pretty good prices too. Also they are a certified retailer.

Andrew,

Thier current pricing for the PC and Teatro series is actually just the retail pricing. Usually people can do much better dealing with thier local dealer as far as Phase Tech. goes! So unless they are doing something special for the Velocity series, you'd be better off going through your local dealer if possible.

Best Regards,
Patrick

Originally posted by Eiyoo
Hey guys, I found a licensed dealer in my area who was willing to order a system for me to demo, but when he called phase tech today to order the speakers they said that they were just going into their production run shortly and that there'd been a shortage of packaging materials (the boxes they go in, etc I guess). It might be a couple weeks, but they told him to check out Atlantic Technology (http://www.atlantictechnology.com/) because they were very similar (I was looking at the velocity line in particular). Have any of you guys heard of these speakers? I'm probably just going to wait on the PhaseTech, but I was just wondering if anyone knew of these other options.

Now I know the dealer was pulling your leg.... As I said in a previous post on 3/17, I ordered a set of Velocity V-12, V-6 center, V-Surrounds, and several Premier Collection pieces to have on hand for demonstration purposes for anyone that wanted to hear the Phase Tech stuff.

I just got a call from the trucking company a few minutes ago. My order is being delivered today, in the next couple hours actually.

So there is definitely not a wait time for these speakers, and there certainly isn't a shortage of packing materials.... You might want to call the dealer on it or at least ask him an updated status :) Methinks someone was trying to bait and switch..... but I can't say that with any certainty without knowing all the facts...

Everything arrived a few hours ago... I love getting "presents" :). There's nothing better than seeing delivery trucks drive up :)

I'd only ever seen the Phase Tech stuff in black before. So I was curious to see the different finishes....

The sun maple finish on the velocity's is not bad at all. You can definitely tell it's vinyl laminate, but it's not tooo cheesy looking.

What really impressed me is the Premier collection stuff I got. While we're not talking the finish quality of a fine piece of Danish furniture, the cherry veneer is very nice and is at least comparable to the cherry woodwork my custom carpenter has been doing for some of the subwoofers he's been building for me. Fit and finish on the speakers is very good.

Overall, I'm very impressed with the cabinets, especially for the finished prices of the speakers. Everything is breaking in now..... combined with my Usher Audio loudspeaker order finally shipping and the remaining Von Schweikert speakers set to ship soon, I will soon be overrun with speakers :) Life is good :) hehehehe

For anyone reading this that is considering Phase Technology, do seek out a dealer for a demonstration. They're a great value for the price....

Hear is a question. I'm interested in several speakers, but I'd like to rate them according to how warm they sound. I have only gotten around to listening to a few so far, but would like some other opinions. Ok so here is my list:

Brightest
:
Axiom M22
Energy C-3
KEF Q1
Monitor Audio B2
Phase Tech. V-8
:
Warmest

So what to you all think?

bestboy4,

I can only speak of the Axiom and Phase Tech. "Big brothers". Both Floorstanders, the M60Ti and the V-12. I don't know about the "warm" definiton as far as the V-12's go, but to My ears the M60Ti's were definately "bright". The V-12s are more neutral (but warm compared to the Axioms), in that they are very detailed without being bright. To me the Phase Techs are the best of both worlds. I don't have to sacrafice the detail I love, because of fatiguing "bright" highs and upper midrange that hurt my sensitive ears!:o

I've heard different models of the Energy line and Mon Audio. Both seemed a "tad" bright, but nothing compared to the Axioms. I must note many people love the Axioms, after 7 months of trying to, I could not. I guess some peoples hearing is more sensitive than others. Like I said I absolutely love detail, so with the Phase Techs. I can have my cake and eat it too!;)

On a related note, all the speakers you list besides the Phase Techs. have some type of metal tweeter, which with "most" speakers will tend to be on the brighter side. That's not to say that they all are, or that some soft dome tweeter based speakers cannot sound "bright" because they can.

Best Regards,
Patrick

Andrew/Bestboy4,
That sounds about right. If you wanted warmer then are you talking more money(the Dynaudio line) would be MORE warm than the PT's. I personally found Axiom's more shrill/bright than Klipsch.

bestboy4-

I've demoed all the speakers but the Axioms. I would say that your list is right except I found the Monitor Audio B2s brighter than the KEF Q1s although the B2s have better bass extension.

The PhaseTechs have a very nice and detailed sound although I think I prefer the metal domes over the soft-dome in the PTs. I was able to A-B them with the Q1s and preferred the Q1s overall. I'm going to give the PTs another listen though because I was a bit rushed and think they really warrant a little more consideration when I'm not quite as frazzled.

The Bronze series are not overly bright IMO but they have a hotter top end. I am still considering them along with the KEFs and maybe the PTs.

Each of these speakers has its strengths and weaknesses and I think at this price range there will always be some trade-offs. I guess it just really comes down to the sound you prefer.

Bob

I have heard the Axiom M22 and MA Bronze B2, and would agree that the M22 is "brighter". The B2 definitely has more bass...but I also felt the mids to be a tad recessed. Both great speakers for the money.

Thanks for the replies! Monitor Audio is the only line I haven't been able to listen to yet. I demoed the Q1's this past weekend. I A/B them to the Paradigm mini monitor which are priced the same. I used Paradigm as a guide for the Axioms sound. I know it's not a completely fair comparison, but I have demoed the axiom M60's, the the paradigms are very close in their acoustic modeling (Canadian, Floyd Toole, etc.).

Anyways, I felt that the Q1's were a bit boxy and nasally sounding. This imaging was there, and the highs were there, but the sound was congested and confined IMHO. now I can contribute this to a couple different things...1) I was 6" off axis, 2) the Q1's were not on stands, but on shelves listed with other bookshelf speakers, 3) they were not in an open area,, but crowded with other speakers. I did however pull they forward about 3" from the rest of the competition.

So all of these things were going through my mind even before I turned on the Paradigms. When I did switch over, it was like night and day!. The Mini Monitors were positioned the same way as the Q1's listed above, but the sound was huge improvement. All of a sudden the layers in the music opened up, and spectrum seemed more spread out across the highs and high mids.

So here are my final thoughts. The Q1's might be a good speaker if it had more breathing room for its coaxial driver, and wide dispersion pattern. But given the circumstances, speakers in a confined area which is the situation I'm in in my own HT set up, the paradigm's were the way to go.

I'm really not into too warm or laid-back of a speaker. I do prefer the airiness of the Canadian brands. However, I do like the silk dome tweeters in the Sonus Faber line. So if anyone has listen to both the Velocities and the Sonus Faber speakers, can you give me a comparison of the two as far as the highs are concerned?

Originally posted by bestboy4
I'm really not into too warm or laid-back of a speaker. However, I do like the silk dome tweeters in the Sonus Faber line. So if anyone has listen to both the Velocities and the Sonus Faber speakers, can you give me a comparison of the two as far as the highs are concerned?

Have not heard the Sonus Faber, but EDIT: IMHO, the PT are anything but laid back. They have great detail without being "bright" at ALL!

Best Regards,
Patrick

Originally posted by avaholic
Have not heard the Sonus Faber, but the PT are anything but laid back. They have great detail without being "bright" at ALL!

Best Regards,
Patrick


That's awesome! I can't wait to go demo these guys! Thank for the reply.

Andrew,

I just edited my last post. I forgot to put in the "IMHO" remark, as I usually do. Speaker sound characteristics can be VERY subjective, one persons "bright" is anothers "detail". And one persons "warm" is anothers "smooth". I to feel that the Velocitys are the best combination of "detail" and "smooth" that I have personally heard.

But as ALWAYS, you need to hear for yourself, your ears will tell you what you like!

Good Luck!
Patrick

I had a chance to listen to the Phastech V-12's (1000$/pair) side by side with the Ascend CMT-340's (500$/pair+stands) and as I stated, you aren't going wrong with either one. THe amp and cd player were NAD with no sub. The V-12's play lower (going down to 39hz or something) and bigger (they are physically bigger). I own a hsu vtf-2 and love it, so I was not overly concerned about bass performance. I found I preferred the V-12's with male vocals, strings and percussion, with female vocals and keyboards I preferred the 340's. The 340's are more forward in their presentation, they have more "attack" to the sound, the V-12's certainly are not laid back, but are more of a "middle" presentation. (forgive my sonic vocabulary). The V-12's seem to have a "color" to the sound (not at all displeasing), kind of like a tint on glass, whereas the 340's are very neutral, they remind me of monitors in a recording studio. The 340's really reveal the source, I listen to a lot of bad source material (live Dead and Phish shows, yeah, I know I know) and 340's aren't so hot for that...Phasetech made that stuff sound better, but on stuff that is recorded really well, the Ascends rock the house. I don't really know the difference between "imaging" and "soundstage", but it sounded to me like the phasetech presented a deeper stage but Ascend might be wider...but I don't know what I am talking about really, just a feeling I had. Both speakers offer great sound and value, but they are most assuredly different. Aesthetically, the phastechs have that supercool chrome look (with the grills off), but my girl actually preferred the look of the 340's on the stands. In the end my I went with Ascend 340's all the way around.

I did not get a chance to listen to the phasetechs in a home theater situation, I am certain they would perform excellently. I do know in my house the 340's with the hsu is capable of sending me to the chiropractor.

My system:

Nad 753 amp
Nad 513 cd
Ascend 340's x5
Hsu VTF 2

Thanks for the review oontahey. It turns out we have the same taste in music!
Anthony

Placed my order for a full 7.1 array of PT's. I suspect I will see them in 5-7 days depending on when they run my CC thru(machine is fried atm).

Next up: Subwoofer(SVS) and power(thinking about an NAD actually..).

I have been reading this thread with interest, and recently auditioned some PT theatros. I was impressed with the overall sound compared with some others I have heard (mirage, B&W, Polk, BA, etc.). I am considering the velocity series for a new 5.1 HT, and hope to hear those soon.

One impression I had when listening to the Theatros was that the timbre of the CC was noticeably different than the mains (7.5s). I suppose this is due to the different size drivers. The driver configuration is the same in the velocity series.

I was wondering if the V8 might work as well or better as a center than the V6, since it uses the same size drivers as the V10, and V12. It is only slightly larger, and $50 cheaper.

Does anyone have any thoughts or insights on using the V8 as a CC?

BTW, thanks for pointing me to PT.

Hi Juan,

I think that the V-6 and the V-8s are close in sound, although I think the V-8s definitely sound better, as many would expect given the reputation centers have as being a compromise speaker.

IMHO, if you have the space to use a V-8 as the center, I would recommend doing that. I have space constraints and WAF to deal with, so I had to have a true center channel speaker. If not for that, I would have probably bought a V-8 for the center.

HB

Originally posted by Juan Tingsound

One impression I had when listening to the Theatros was that the timbre of the CC was noticeably different than the mains (7.5s).

Regarding the audition of the Teatros, some dealers have less than ideal demos setup, and they may have not even been calibrated, so take it with a grain of salt!

I have the V-6 and the V-12's upfront. Different sized drivers and all. I listen to ALOT of Multi-Channel music, and IMHO, the V-6 blend seamlessly with the V-12s.

Simply put, I've owned many CC, and the V-6, sounds the best by far to me!

Check out this review of the Teatro 6.5 Center (which has the same drivers as the V-6). It compared favorably to two other center channels in a shootout in Home Theater Magazine (http://www.hometheatermag.com/loudspeakers/54/index1.html).

Here's a little quote from the review:

"At the heart of the 6.5's design is the company's proprietary Absolute Phase crossover design. Its primary purpose is to operate the drivers in-phase, both electronically and acoustically. This not only helps maintain consistency—obviously beneficial for pans and other fast motion effects—but also improves image accuracy and soundstage depth. The second goal of this crossover design is to improve, in the context of a horizontally aligned center channel, horizontal dispersion (if the speaker were placed vertically, vertical dispersion would be widened). The long-axis dispersion (as we'll call it for simplicity's sake) of a D'Appolito driver array is usually limited to a window that doesn't widen much beyond its original dimensions until the sound has traveled a fair distance. This long-axis dispersion is especially important in the center-channel context because the idea is to increase the horizontal window enough that those sitting off-axis will hear a sound that's not that much different from what those sitting in the middle are hearing."

"The Absolute Phase crossover design works as well in the listening room as it sounds on paper."

Good Luck and Best Regards,
Patrick

Sorry a little off topic from the most recent posts, but I thought this quote from HT magazine also belonged in this thread:

"There are a lot of years of design expertise behind Phase Tech's stuff, considering that they are essentially a brand name of United Speaker Systems, a company that has been building drivers and other speaker parts for several manufacturers since the birth of stereo itself. They still hold the patent for the original soft-dome tweeter and other innovations that have become virtually universal elements of loudspeaker design."

BTW: Shane, Congratulations on ordering the Velocitys! Welcome to the club! :D
Please post your impressions after you have a chance to listen to them for awhile!

Have a Great Weekend All!
And Best Regards,
Patrick

After reading through this thread I felt an overwhelming need to give the Phase Techs a listen. I was lucky that a local dealer had them in stock and for demo. The same day I read through this thread (last Friday) I ended up buying the V-10's and the V-6 center. I have Klipsch reference series speakers and comparing the RF-35's to the V-12's at the store I was amazed how much punch and clarity it had compared to the Klipsch. I've been a longtime Klipsch fan but I was sold on the Phase Tech's. Initially I was afraid I would be disappointed that the PT's wouldnt have the clarity of Klipsch but I was pleasantly surprised.

After setting them up at home and popping in a movie the PT's exhibited much cleaner sound at high volume levels without the harshness or ear piercing sound of my Klipsch.

As a side note using my Pioneer 53TX's MCACC it didnt need to change the levels much. With my Klipsches it had to compensate quite a bit to even the response out. I was especially happy since I was having an audio problem (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=383498) with movies at high volume levels.

These speakers are truly amazing and I want to thank avaholic and everyone else who recommended them.

BenK
Which dealer did you go to? I'm in Ann Arbor and interested in listening to these speakers. Also what made you decide on the V10 instead of the V12 after you listened to the 12?

Hi Mark, I went to Hod's Home Theater in Waterford but do not go there. Extremely bad service from the owner. Rude and unprofessional. I got over 20% off the list price which happily surprised me. If you go there ask for Tim. Very knowledgeable on the Phase Tech line. Incidently the Stereo Shoppe in Ann Arbor comes up in the dealer locator. Have you tried them?

I got the v-10's because when I listen to music (mostly movies though) I use my sub. They're virtually the same except the V-12's have better bass extension of course. I was very tempted as they sounded excellent but I couldnt justify the added cost for what I'll be using them for. Still considering them though ;) PM or email me about it if you want.

Originally posted by BenK
These speakers are truly amazing and I want to thank avaholic and everyone else who recommended them. Anyone want some Klipsch speakers ;)

Ben,

Glad to help!

Every time I listen to the Velocitys, I just want to share how great they sound with everyone I come in contact with! As I've said before, they are the first speaker I've owned in over 20 years of this hobby, that IMHO, do everything Extremely well! All other speakers that I've owned or listened to, had at least one shortcoming. Of course this is based on what I hear, and my particular tastes. But obviously, others are auditioning the Phase Techs. themselves and coming to similar conclusions!

Welcome to the ever growing Phase Tech. Velocity club!
Enjoy your new speakers, and thanks for sharing your experience!

I just love sharing something that literally, almost touches my soul! Great sound can be a truly moving experience! ;)

Best Regards,
Patrick

Originally posted by Juan Tingsound

Does anyone have any thoughts or insights on using the V8 as a CC?

BTW, thanks for pointing me to PT

Jaun,

What did you decide to go with the V-6 or V-8 for the center?
Hopefully you had a chance to read the review on the 6.5 center I posted.

Best Regards,
Patrick

Where's the love for the PC Series? I see quite alot of talk about the Velocity's and Teatro's, but not much on the Premier Collection. Real high end quality and performance at a decent price. Just wondering if anyone compared the PC's to the other series, and/or other brands.

Thanks for the feedback on the center channel V6 or V8 question. I am leaning toward the V8 at the moment based on what I have read. I don't question the V6 being a good cc, just think that maybe the same attributes may be in the V8. The tech section of the website states that due to the special crossover, the various models can be mixed and positioned horizontally or vertically without altering the soundstage. If so, a V8 positioned horizontally should be a well matched center for the V10 or V12s. I can't help wondering if the V6 is sold as a center because fo the slimmer profile, and the more balanced asthetics (small hole in the middle, big holes on either side).

I auditioned a pair of V12s the other day. They sounded good, but a bit thinner than I expected. The dealer said they hadn't broken in yet, and the source was underpowered - 20watts resulting from a splitter box. I am not deterred, but I was hoping to be blown away. Can any owners vouch for substantial improvements with break-in, especially in low frequencies.

I feel like I'm close to acquisition, but getting a little trigger shy. Help me out.:confused:

Juan,

As far as your audition goes, 20 Watts is not going to do any speaker justice, no matter how sensitive the speaker is, especially when it's coming out of a splitter box. Excluding some high quality Tube amps of course, and from your description that is not what was being used.
Always be careful when auditioning speakers at a dealer, many dealers simply don't take the time to set them up properly, and many of the rooms are less than ideal. One poster here, can't remember which one without going back, thought the Velocitys didn't sound as good as another brand in the dealers room. But when he brought them home for audition, they were as amazing as every other owner says they are.

I can tell you this the V-12s I own, sounded great right out of the box. Thier freq. response extend down to 28Hz (in room) now. They are a little tighter than when I first set them up. But as I've said before they are the most Well Balanced speaker I've owned to date in my 20+ years of this hobby. Are there better speakers, of course, but for much more than $1000 (And NONE that I know of have a 10 year warranty in this price range).

If the low-end freq. reponse did not impress you, I'd bet the 20 Watts, and the dealers setup of the speakers are probably the reasons why!

Test them with a decent amp/AVR connected directly to the V-12s, with them properly setup (ideally in your own room), and then see what you think!

Best Regards,
Patrick

Originally posted by Juan Tingsound
I auditioned a pair of V12s the other day. They sounded good, but a bit thinner than I expected. The dealer said they hadn't broken in yet, and the source was underpowered - 20watts resulting from a splitter box. I am not deterred, but I was hoping to be blown away. Can any owners vouch for substantial improvements with break-in, especially in low frequencies.

There is a definite break in period on the V12s. I noticed a much more 'defined' and 'present' low-to-mid range after about a month of use. I think 15-20W is the absolute minimum power required by the V-12s, so you're definitely hearing them at the low end of their operational power range.

Also, if it's truly a 20W amp, then you might get into the technical limits of the amp at any reasonable sound level. I'll bet it takes longer than a month to fully break them in at such low power levels. Have the dealer use a different amp to crank 'em up a bit. :)


regards and good luck in your decision...

Thanks for the feedback on the center channel V6 or V8 question. I am leaning toward the V8 at the moment based on what I have read. I don't question the V6 being a good cc, just think that maybe the same attributes may be in the V8. The tech section of the website states that due to the special crossover, the various models can be mixed and positioned horizontally or vertically without altering the soundstage. If so, a V8 positioned horizontally should be a well matched center for the V10 or V12s. I can't help wondering if the V6 is sold as a center because fo the slimmer profile, and the more balanced asthetics (small hole in the middle, big holes on either side).

I was thinking the same thing about using the V-8 as a center but the sales guy said I could do that but Phase Tech recommends using the V-6 as the center speaker. I figured they would know best.

I have really enjoyed reading this thread regarding Phase Tech. I will be trying to find a local audition in the very near future. A couple of questions for all the Phase Tech owners here......Which receiver are you using? And do the V-surrounds play multi-channel music (SACD & DVD-A) well?
Thanks for all your help.

Originally posted by fishhead
A couple of questions for all the Phase Tech owners here......Which receiver are you using? And do the V-surrounds play multi-channel music (SACD & DVD-A) well?


Hi,

I use the 55TXi with the 47Ai connected via i.Link for all music sources.
I listen to ALOT of Multi-Channel music: SACD, DVD-A, and DPLII on my 99% of my stereo material (CDs). The V-surrounds are a seamless blend with my V-12s and V-6. I use them strictly in the Bipole configuration (though they have a switch to set it to Dipole). They are really amazing, on some soundtracks I can swear I have 2 rear speakers behind me in a 7.1 configuration as the sound just envelopes you. But I don't, my system is only 5.1 with the V-surrounds on the sides slightly above and behind me.

They are a little light in the bass area, but no more than most dedicated surrounds (except for larger ones, and ones that have a built-in sub). With the speakers crossed over at 80Hz, it is an absolute non issue.

Hope this helps!

Best Regards,
Patrick

AVaholic

Thanks for your reply.

I am finishing my basement and setting up a multi-purpose HT/family room. The room is 12x20x8ish with a 4 ft opening along the right side of the back wall. Therefore I am pre-wiring for 6.1. I currently have the HK AVR7200 and want to build on that. I try not to get to hung up on the receiver/speaker match opinions/discussions that go rampant on these forums. I think the average person will never be able to tell the difference. But I would really hate putting something in my profile that will make all the real audio-snobs think less of me.:confused:

Thanks again.

BenK,

My local Phase Tech dealer told me that a V-8 would be better for a center than a V-6 on a pure sound basis, but that most people will need to get the V-6 because of space constraints. This came up when he suggested I get V-8s all around instead of V-surrounds for rear channel (all of my local dealers are very anti-Dipole).

Fishhead,

Given what the dealer said, I was really concerned about using V-surrounds for SACD and DVD-audio, but Patrick allayed my concerns. The dealer also gave me 10 days to try out the V-surrounds in home and they were fine. They are a little light on the bass, but with the subwoofer crossed over properly, that shouldn't be a big problem. I only have 1 disc where I can notice the lack of bass output (The Flaming Lips "Yoshimi Battles the Pink Robots") because it is probably the most aggressive 5.1 mix I have ever heard. Whatever perceived lack of bass there may be, it is more than made up for by the sense of envelopment that the bipoles create. My room is far from ideal as far as acoustics go, so the bipoles really help out in that regard. BTW, my amplifier is a Yamaha RX-V496.

In both cases, I think that issue probably comes down to personal opinion. People will find dealers that tell you a center channel speaker is a compromise. People will find dealers that tell you bipole/dipole speakers are not a good idea and that direct-radiating is the only way to go. In the end, you need to go with what is best given your constraints.

HB

Originally posted by harync
My local Phase Tech dealer told me that a V-8 would be better for a center than a V-6 on a pure sound basis, but that most people will need to get the V-6 because of space constraints. This came up when he suggested I get V-8s all around instead of V-surrounds for rear channel (all of my local dealers are very anti-Dipole).

A V-8 will sound better than a V-6 in the sense that horizontal dispersion would be better with a standard bookshelf speaker as compared to an MTM design that has been laid on it's side. So unless you are sitting directly in front of the center channel, the V-8 is going to work much better for you.

The reason that center channels are built like they are is aesthetics and space restrictions. These center channels are place on top of televisions, or there is some other space restriction that makes a bookshelf seem out of place or odd looking. You can get around some of the off axis frequency issues with a three way with a smaller midrange driver underneath the tweeter that has good off axis response (see the PC 3.1 MK II)

Originally posted by FisheadI have really enjoyed reading this thread regarding Phase Tech. I will be trying to find a local audition in the very near future. A couple of questions for all the Phase Tech owners here......Which receiver are you using? And do the V-surrounds play multi-channel music (SACD & DVD-A) well?
Thanks for all your help.

I can't help out on which receiver I'm using.... cause I don't use one :) I've got the Premier Collection 3.1 MKII package being run by a Bel Canto Design PrePro/eVo6 Gen II combination (~$11K MSRP), as well as an eVo2i integrated amp ($3K MSRP) for some two channel listening. I have the Velocity V-12 package running with Adcom electronics and Carver Professional ZR series Tripath digital amplifiers....as well as a Opera Audio tube hybrid integrated amp for two channel listening. And I've swapped them around as well and tried all the other amplification choices with each model....

Originally posted by JamesCB
Where's the love for the PC Series? I see quite alot of talk about the Velocity's and Teatro's, but not much on the Premier Collection. Real high end quality and performance at a decent price. Just wondering if anyone compared the PC's to the other series, and/or other brands.

I have the 3.1 MK II's in stock right now with cherry veneer finish and previously had 9.1's. Up until these 3.1s came in, I had only seen the premier collection in black ash. So I was pleasantly surprised with how good the cherry veneer finish was.

The 3.1s are a lot better than you would expect. Phase Tech doesn't really have a following for strictly music and is seen as mostly a home theater speaker. But they are pretty darn good for music as well, depending on your tastes. I had a gentleman in for a demo of some Von Schweikerts who was extremely impressed with the phase techs. He couldn't get over how good they were and was going to bring back friends he felt they speakers would be perfect for.

The 3.1s compare very favorably to the Von Schweikert VR-1's, LCR-15s, and the Usher X-719s I have here in stock. It's a matter of personal preference. I can see how many people would actually prefer these phase techs to the others mentionned. They have a very full bass and lower midrange, go deep with authority, they image well, are very clean into the lower treble and aren't nearly as aggressive throughout as the Velocity line. The Velocity line is more forward sounding. The PCs are smoother, with a bit less bite.... The PC cabinets are far and away better than the Velocity line. More heavy duty, more bracing, much less resonant by comparison.... The Usher cabinets are the standard when it comes to overbuilding them for resonance control, but the Phase tech's do a pretty darn good job...

If I had to rank them in order of my favorite, I would pick Von Schweikert, then Usher, then Phase Tech. But I would be happy to own all three.... wait a minute... I DO own all three!! :)

If anyone is sitting on the fence about Phase Tech, you need to seek out your local dealer and give them a listen.... Even with $11K of electronics in front of them, they still hold their own very well.....

What are your feelings on the PC1.1II? You were very impressed by the PC3.1II?

Thanks
Dennis

Thanks to this thread for turning me on to the Phase Tech line. Just ordered the V-12, V-6 and V-surrounds. Am also worried a little about the V-6, but we'll see how it does.

Can't wait to get them next week. I'll post back when I've had a chance to set-up. Great value.

Regarding the question of the V8 vs V6 as used for the center, has anyone contacted Phase Tech directly to ask about this. Just curious, as I am close to making a purchase of V8's for fronts and as far as space is concerned, I could probably use it as the center as well, if it is recommended. My two fronts and center will all have to lie horizontally.

Originally posted by Thomd73
What are your feelings on the PC1.1II? You were very impressed by the PC3.1II?

Thanks
Dennis

I don't have a pair in stock right now, but I have previously had them. They're a great little bookshelf for their price point. They don't have quite the same clarity in the mids that the 3.1s have (if done correctly, a three way will always better a 2 way in the midrange... notice I said if done right, which not every three way is), but their small form factor helps them image really well and disappear in the soundstage.... they don't have the same authority down low that the 3.1s have, but are not bad....

Originally posted by hometheaterdoc
A V-8 will sound better than a V-6 in the sense that horizontal dispersion would be better with a standard bookshelf speaker as compared to an MTM design that has been laid on it's side. So unless you are sitting directly in front of the center channel, the V-8 is going to work much better for you.


Shane,

This would be true if the V-6 was a standard MTM design, but it is not. One of those 5-1/2" drivers is a Passive Radiator. As such it is essentially a front ported coaxial speaker with just one active Midrange and one tweeter. So it will not cause any "comb filtering" effects that the standard MTM design will. True there will be some low frequency summing/cancelling based on the radiators resonance characteristics (this will however be practically non-existant with the V-6 being crossed over at 80Hz or higher), but no comb filtering.
This is precisely why Phase Tech. designed it that way. I've been in contact extensively with Mark, the Director of Sales (just ask him, if he knows Patrick ;) ), as well as a couple of thier techs, and they have across the board recommended the V-6 over the V-8 for a center channel (That's for you BamaPT). Phase Tech. has told me that the V-6/Teatro 6.5 center channel, with thier implementation of the Absolute Crossover is one of thier better designed speakers.

As far as the PC series compared to the Velocitys, I agree the cabinets are superior with the PC line. As far as sound, IMHO (having heard both extensively), the PC line is on the "warmer" side of neutral, with the Velocitys hovering closer to neutral. I consider Paradigm, Monitor Audio, Def. Tech. Axiom, etc. as varying degrees of forward (in some cases bright). I personally do not consider the velocitys "forward", if anything (owning the V-12s, V-6, V-surr.) I would personally put them very slightly on the warm side of neutral. But with TONS of detail!

EDIT: BTW, this does not neccessarily contradict the differences you hear between the two lines. Looking at my comments you could definately derive that the PC line is smoother and the Velocity line more "forward" sounding by direct comparison. But, in just my humble opinion, I do not consider the Velocitys forward. Especially when compared with all "types" of speakers, whether "forward", "neutral", or "warm".

The one thing I did not like about the PC line personally is when pushed to louder levels, the music/HT material seemed to compress and become narrow in thier imaging and soundstage. With the Velocitys this did not happen. They advertise the ability to play at "concert levels" without any change in the sound chacteristics, and IMHO, they deliver!

Anyway, just my .02, everyone has thier own opinions on what they hear.

Best Regards,
Patrick

Originally posted by hometheaterdoc
The PC cabinets are far and away better than the Velocity line. More heavy duty, more bracing, much less resonant by comparison....

Shane,

One other comment regarding the cabinet. Again, while I agree the PC cabinets are better in terms of finish and "heavy duty" construction, I would not discount the Velocitys as far as resonant control just because they are not "heavy". Thier UniFrame design is quite an achievment with thier 3-part platform, which in Phase Techs opinion eliminates the tranmission of vibration.

This of course does not contradict what you said, I just wanted to elaborate more on the Velocity design.

Thanks for all your input!

Best Regards,
Patrick

Originally posted by hometheaterdoc
If anyone is sitting on the fence about Phase Tech, you need to seek out your local dealer and give them a listen.... Even with $11K of electronics in front of them, they still hold their own very well.....

They perform very well even with north of $150K in the next room. ;)

I have been very happy with the Phase Tech teatro series and placed an order for a full V-12 7.1 system yesterday to upgrade the second theater. I am pretty excited, as they will be here in a week.

As for driving electronics, I am using an Adcom GTP-880, with an Adcom GFA-7607 amp. Of course, that Adcom amp was able to drive my Infinity IRS series, too, so the Phase is a breeze.

Thanks for your input on PC vs Velocity. Which brings me to my next point.

Which is better esp for music. The V8's or PC1.1II's? Are the 1.1's worth $300 more.

At one time I owned the original Pc1's which retailed for about $550 and thought they were horrible. Very dark sounding speaker.

Since then I've owned the 2.5T, 7.5'vdt's and 4.5's all offering a much cleaner and clearer sound.

Does anyone know if Phase Tech is available in the UK? I've never seen there speakers reviewed in HiFI Choice or What-Hifi?

Thanks
Dennis

Dennis,

Based on your previous experience with the original PC1 compared to the Teatro speakers, I'd have to say given what seems as your preference for a "cleaner" more neutral sound as compared to a "darker" more warm sound, the V-8 might be the way to go. That said I have not heard the original PC1 (I have heard the PC 9.1 and the PC 3.1II) or the newer version, so I can only go by what you experienced. Though the "darker" sound characteristic is aligned with what I experienced with the PC9.1/3.1II as compared to the V-12s.

So, seeing how the V-8s have essentially the same drivers as the 7.5s you owned, and you liked thier sound, it would make sense that you may prefer them over the PC1.1IIs.

But of course in the end, you should listen to them in your own setup if possible.

Best Regards,
Patrick

Originally posted by avaholic
Shane,

This would be true if the V-6 was a standard MTM design, but it is not. One of those 5-1/2" drivers is a Passive Radiator. As such it is essentially a front ported coaxial speaker with just one active Midrange and one tweeter. So it will not cause any "comb filtering" effects that the standard MTM design will. True there will be some low frequency summing/cancelling based on the radiators resonance characteristics (this will however be practically non-existant with the V-6 being crossed over at 80Hz or higher), but no comb filtering.
This is precisely why Phase Tech. designed it that way. I've been in contact extensively with Mark, the Director of Sales (just ask him, if he knows Patrick ;) ), as well as a couple of thier techs, and they have across the board recommended the V-6 over the V-8 for a center channel (That's for you BamaPT). People at Phase Tech. have told me that the V-6/Teatro 6.5 center channel, with thier implementation of the Absolute Crossover is one of thier better designed speakers.


Doh!!!! Call me braindead..... call me stupid... call me whatever you wish... You are 100% correct, without question.... I got started on my generalizations of bookshelf versus MTM center channels and I completely blocked out that the V-6 isn't an MTM in the normal sense of the word.... I actually had several paragraphs written on the acoustics and physics of why the MTM on it's side causes issues, but that they can be overcome with crossover design, alternative driver alignments, etc.... and..... well.... can I just go back up and delete my post? I hate looking like a moron....

the V-6 actually works pretty darn well as a center, especially considering it's price....


As far as the PC series compared to the Velocitys, I agree the cabinets are superior with the PC line. As far as sound, IMHO (having heard both extensively), the PC line is on the "warmer" side of neutral, with the Velocitys hovering closer to neutral. I consider Paradigm, Monitor Audio, Def. Tech. Axiom, etc. as varying degrees of forward (in some cases bright). I personally do not consider the velocitys "forward", if anything (owning the V-12s, V-6, V-surr.) I would personally put them very slightly on the warm side of neutral. But with TONS of detail!

EDIT: BTW, this does not neccessarily contradict the differences you hear between the two lines. Looking at my comments you could definately derive that the PC line is smoother and the Velocity line more "forward" sounding by direct comparison. But, in just my humble opinion, I do not consider the Velocitys forward. Especially when compared with all "types" of speakers, whether "forward", "neutral", or "warm".



That was exactly what I was trying to say.... not a generalization about the entire industry of speakers, but if just compared to the PC line, the Velocities are forward sounding. The PC line is on the warm side of things, especially in the midbass and below... Compared to other brands of speakers on the market such as klipsch, paradigm, axiom, etc. the velocity line would definitely be considered neutral to their forward and bright.




The one thing I did not like about the PC line personally is when pushed to louder levels, the music/HT material seemed to compress and become narrow in thier imaging. With the Velocitys this did not happen. They advertise the ability to play at "concert levels" without any change in the sound chacteristics, and IMHO, they deliver!


I've definitely played both at "concert levels" and when being driven by a Bel Canto eVo6 bridged down to 3 channel "dual differential" mode, the PC did not compress their imaging whatsoever. What were you using for amplification? The Velocity line is definitely more efficient than the PC line. I need to measure them to see just how much... I'm wondering if you didn't run out of headroom on your amplifier and it was the amp that was compressing the image. In my main theater room, the 3.1s image like crazy, and are pretty darn effortless, even when played at waaaay too loud levels.

I really like the Velocity line. Please don't take my comments to be negative towards either the Velocity or Premier Collection speakers. I like them both enough that I am a dealer for Phase Tech products!! I wouldn't carry them if I didn't think they both sounded great for their asking price....

Originally posted by avaholic
One other comment regarding the cabinet. Again, while I agree the PC cabinets are better in terms of finish and "heavy duty" construction, I would not discount the Velocitys as far as resonant control just because they are not "heavy". Thier UniFrame design is quite an achievment with thier 3-part platform, which in Phase Techs opinion eliminates the tranmission of vibration.


I also agree that for how they are made, they do a pretty darn good job of controlling box resonances. My comments were more in an absolute sense. No matter how good they are, I can still hear the boxes resonanting quite easily, whereas it isn't as apparent with the PC line. But then again, every single model of speaker I've heard in this price class, regardless of manufacturer, I can hear the box resonating........ I guess I am a little sensitive :)

I've been building my own custom loudspeakers for over 15 years now. I've done some waaaaaaaaaay out there things in regards to box design to eliminate cabinet resonances because I hate hearing the box.... granite enclosures (which have their own issues), 7 layer "constrained layer damping" enclosures, lead lined enclosures, multiple levels of various absorbtive materials including acrylic roofing tar, box within a sand filled box within another sand filled box enclosures, strategic placed lead shot filled compartments, etc. etc. etc... obviously you can't do that with speakers in this price class.

Originally posted by hometheaterdoc
Doh!!!! Call me braindead..... call me stupid... call me whatever you wish...

Shane,

:D If I had a dime (ok, in todays economy 10,000 dimes) for every time I made a similar error, I'd be rich. You are not alone my friend!

That was exactly what I was trying to say....
Yes, that's pretty much what I figured!

I've definitely played both at "concert levels" and when being driven by a Bel Canto eVo6 bridged down to 3 channel "dual differential" mode, the PC did not compress their imaging whatsoever. What were you using for amplification?
I was using a Sherbourn 5/1500A (not quite a Bel Canto eVo6, but ample power to drive the PCs). Actually, it was not the imaging of the PC9.1s that "compressed" it was the soundstage (my bad, see I made one of those errors we were just talking about :) ).
In any case the soundstage kind of "collapsed" when played at concert levels. Creating a narrowing or compression of the soundfield. The velocitys soundfield would not collapse no matter how loud I played them. So, I'm not sure what the difference between what you heard and myself, but oh well!

I should mention, this was just in a test I don't think I would ever listen at those levels anymore, just a little old for that! :o

I also agree that for how they are made, they do a pretty darn good job of controlling box resonances. My comments were more in an absolute sense. No matter how good they are, I can still hear the boxes resonanting quite easily, whereas it isn't as apparent with the PC line. But then again, every single model of speaker I've heard in this price class, regardless of manufacturer, I can hear the box resonating........ I guess I am a little sensitive :)



I personally have not heard the Velocitys resonating, but you are the "Doc" I guess it's a good thing for your customers that you have that sensitive ear.

Thanks for all your comments and suggestions Shane, you are very much an attribute to this forum. I appreciate your candor in your posts as well as your knowledge!

Best Regards,
Patrick

I also agree that for how they are made, they do a pretty darn good job of controlling box resonances. My comments were more in an absolute sense. No matter how good they are, I can still hear the boxes resonanting quite easily, whereas it isn't as apparent with the PC line. But then again, every single model of speaker I've heard in this price class, regardless of manufacturer, I can hear the box resonating........ I guess I am a little sensitive

I heard the speaker cabinet resonating when I ran some frequency tests through the V-10's. Overall I was a little disappointed in the build quality. The V-6 and one of my V-10's made a vibrating noise at certain frequencies and it was worse with the grill on. My Klipsch RF-3II's are totally silent even at high volume. Also the carpet spikes dont screw in the brackets very good and strip very easily which doesnt happen with the RF-3II's. The other things that bother me are the V-6 center doesnt have a leveling screw like my RC-3II does and the V-4 and V-surrounds dont have a keyhole slot to hang on a wall screw. After about a week of owning them, with the above issues and doing alot of direct comparisons with my Klipsch speakers I'll be returning them. I like the detail alot but they sound a little thin and not as live as the RF-3II's. I might try the V-12's though. But after rearrainging the Klipsches they sound better. I might have to lug one of them in to demo against a V-12 ;)

Originally posted by BenK
I heard the speaker cabinet resonating when I ran some frequency tests through the V-10's. Overall I was a little disappointed in the build quality. The V-6 and one of my V-10's made a vibrating noise at certain frequencies and it was worse with the grill on. My Klipsch RF-3II's are totally silent even at high volume. Also the carpet spikes dont screw in the brackets very good and strip very easily which doesnt happen with the RF-3II's. The other things that bother me are the V-6 center doesnt have a leveling screw like my RC-3II does and the V-4 and V-surrounds dont have a keyhole slot to hang on a wall screw. After about a week of owning them, with the above issues and doing alot of direct comparisons with my Klipsch speakers I'll be returning them. I like the detail alot but they sound a little thin and not as live as the RF-3II's. I might try the V-12's though. But after rearrainging the Klipsches they sound better. I might have to lug one of them in to demo against a V-12 ;)

Ben,

Sorry to hear the phase techs didn't work out for you. Everybody likes different things. That's why there are so many speaker manufacturers offering all kinds of flavors of sound.

Although your comment about only one of the V-10s and the center resonating seems a little odd to me.

The V-Surrounds that I have here in stock most definitely HAVE a keyhole slot on the back for wall hanging. I don't understand what speakers you have because it was my understanding that all V-surrounds were made this way....

I've heard the older Klipsch reference series, specifically the RF-3II, RC-3II series you have..... it just goes to show how subjective speakers are.... because...... well....... ummmm...... let's just say they weren't for me and leave it there :) but I will say that I definitely heard the boxes with them as well....

EDITED TO ADD: I want to reiterate that not everyone likes the same kind of sound from their speakers. If you are happy with the Klipsch speakers you have, BRAVO!! That's great to hear because you don't have to spend any extra money to upgrade. It's your ears, your room, your music. If you like it and think it sounds better than whatever else you've compared it to, then that's all that matters and forget about what everyone else is saying...

V-Surrounds definitely have the keyhole for hanging.

V-Surrounds definitely have the keyhole for hanging.
I will confirm that later today I hope :)

In the meanwhile, my dealer says that they do have the keyholes.

Originally posted by dfrey
V-Surrounds definitely have the keyhole for hanging.

Yep, they have them! They have been hanging on my wall for a few months!

Patrick

Yep, they have them! They have been hanging on my wall for a few months!

Thanks Patrick. Well thats good to know. I got the V-4 and V-surrounds confused I guess because the V-4's definitely dont have it.


Although your comment about only one of the V-10s and the center resonating seems a little odd to me.

hometheaterdoc, what do you find odd? The cabinet was vibrating/buzzing which I know shouldnt be the norm. Also I assumed they were defective in some way since one of them at least was completely silent. I'm wasnt talking about "hearing" the speaker cabinet I was talking about hearing it vibrate, buzz, rattle or whatever you want to call it.

You've seemed to be slightly offended by my statements and assumed a few things. I never said I didnt like them. I think they are great speakers. I even stated I liked the detail quite a bit but was a little thin sounding to me due to I'm sure the single woofer compared to the double woofer in the V-12 and RF-3II. The reason I tried out the Phase Techs were because of this thread and I wasnt 100% happy with my Klipsches at louder volumes. When I demoed the Phase Techs I compared the V-12 side by side with a newer Klipsch RF-35 which is similar to the RF-3II and a good comparison. But of course its not exact. I preferred the sound of the V-12 over the RF-35 and I assumed the V-10 would be fine without directly comparing them.

What I said I DIDNT like about them is the overall build quality compared to the Klipsch. The vibrating/buzzing cabinet, flimsy soft brackets for the floor spikes and no leveling foot for the center turned me off.

I'll be going back to the store today to return the V-10's and give the V-12's another listen with music I know very well.

I got the V-4 and V-surrounds confused I guess because the V-4's definitely dont have it.
Correct. I'm going to buy seperate wall mounts/ceiling mounts for the V4's and use them as "rear centers". I'm going with the Omnimount 10's for $45 for the pair from audio advisor.

Originally posted by BenK

hometheaterdoc, what do you find odd? The cabinet was vibrating/buzzing which I know shouldnt be the norm. Also I assumed they were defective in some way since one of them at least was completely silent. I'm wasnt talking about "hearing" the speaker cabinet I was talking about hearing it vibrate, buzz, rattle or whatever you want to call it.

That's what I found odd... that only one of the V-10 cabinets were vibrating while the other one was fine. It sounded to me like a problem with the individual speaker, as you yourself just mentionned above... I thought it odd because I haven't yet run into any quality control issue with the phase tech speakers...

You've seemed to be slightly offended by my statements and assumed a few things. I never said I didnt like them. I think they are great speakers. I even stated I liked the detail quite a bit but was a little thin sounding to me due to I'm sure the single woofer compared to the double woofer in the V-12 and RF-3II. The reason I tried out the Phase Techs were because of this thread and I wasnt 100% happy with my Klipsches at louder volumes. When I demoed the Phase Techs I compared the V-12 side by side with a newer Klipsch RF-35 which is similar to the RF-3II and a good comparison. But of course its not exact. I preferred the sound of the V-12 over the RF-35 and I assumed the V-10 would be fine without directly comparing them.

What I said I DIDNT like about them is the overall build quality compared to the Klipsch. The vibrating/buzzing cabinet, flimsy soft brackets for the floor spikes and no leveling foot for the center turned me off.

I most definitely was not offended by your statements. I sincerely apologize if I came across that way with my post. I also have to plead guilty to not reading every post in this thread thoroughly and keeping track of who made what comments. So I did draw conclusions about your statements to the effect that it appeared to me like you preferred the Klipsch's to the phase techs sonically and were going to return the phase techs and keep your klipsch's... thus the reason that I said good for you, whichever model you preferred, regardless of whether it was Klispch, Phase tech, paradigm, etc... i did get opinionated in that if it were my system, I wouldn't take the klipsch over the phase techs... but if you felt the opposite, super and good news for you....

I think we just had a miscommunication. I hate written communication. I never express myself exactly how I wish to be interpreted and even *I* have a hard time keeping from misinterpreting the intent or feeling in my own statements. So I can only imagine how hard others have it when reading my notes :)

I'll be going back to the store today to return the V-10's and give the V-12's another listen with music I know very well.

Do let us know your thoughts.... and please let us know if you find out more why the V-10 and the center were rattling.... As a dealer, I am just as concerned as a consumer about any kind of defects that show up. I've not encountered any issues with any of the phase tech products I've sold or dealt with in the past. But even if this is an isolated incident, I still want to know about it and stay on top of it. Thanks!

I sent an e-mail to PT to ask about any technical limitations to using the V8 positioned horizontally as a CC. Here is the reply:

"Thank you for inquiring about our product. Your thoughts of using a V8 as
the center channel are good ones. There will be little effect on the
positioning of the V8 whether it is vertical or horizontal due to the unique
features of our Absolute Phase Crossover. Actually, the V8 will have better
vertical control and better clarity that the V6. You will also be able to
obtain higher volume levels with the V8."

Best Regards,

Mark J. Stephenson
Phase Technology

It would seem to backup what I wrote previously. Since both speakers are two-way designs with similar crossovers, the V8 should essentially be a fatter version of the V6 with more bottom end.

Any comment AVaholic or HometheaterDoc?

Originally posted by Juan Tingsound
Since both speakers are two-way designs with similar crossovers, the V8 should essentially be a fatter version of the V6 with more bottom end.

Any comment AVaholic or HometheaterDoc?

I'd agree that the V-8 would have a better bottom end. But, if they were both crossed over at 80Hz (as "most" people do with center channels), I think you would not notice alot of difference.
As far as the other comment about better clarity, I'm just not sure. Everything being equal, same crossover, tweeter, and the "type" of woofer, the only differences are the cabinet is bigger, ported versus PR, and the driver is a different size. If anything I would think the 5-1/2" driver would have more clarity than the 7", as "usually" a smaller driver will have better imaging and clarity.

That said, as I stated earlier, Mark and a couple of techs at Phase tech. told me that the V-6 was the best speaker for use as a center. I guess that could have been a recommendation considering "everything", including what people are "used" to seeing (visually) in a center channel, as well as size.

In any case, it looks like you have your answer, the V-8 will work fine for a center! Sounds like the V-8 would not sound any worse than the V-6, and taking Mark's word, it may sound better.

Have a great weekend all!

Best Regards,
Patrick

I think we just had a miscommunication. I hate written communication. I never express myself exactly how I wish to be interpreted and even *I* have a hard time keeping from misinterpreting the intent or feeling in my own statements. So I can only imagine how hard others have it when reading my notes

I appreciate the apology but no harm done. Thanks for expressing that.

I was able to listen to the V-12's today and compare the V-6 versus the V-8 as a center. The V-8 sounded better to me as it had better bottom end of course but it sounded much fuller. So after some detailed listening comparing the Klipsch RF-35 and V-12 I again was leaning toward the V-12. It had better clarity but less bass extension and presence. I liked both actually but the sales guy couldnt give me as good of a deal on the V-12/V-8 combo as the V-10/V-6 so I passed.

Unfortunately the whole experience ended pretty badly but mildly amusing. The sales person was very gracious and accomodating but when the owner found out I was returning the speakers and not exchanging them he decided to get in on the situation. While I was there for almost an hour listening to the V-12's I saw him setting up the V-10's I returned. When I was at the counter getting my returned completed he told me he didnt hear anything wrong with the speakers. The salesperson and I both told him it was very noticeable using test tones from Avia. Then he decided to tell me exchange only or 15% restocking fee and that these speakers arent just for trying out. That since they were open he cant sell them as new. Surprised I told him first off the receipt nowhere states this plus the salesperson told me to "try them out for 14 days" which he concurred. He answer was that didnt matter to him. Then he said I could exchange them and I told him I thought they sounded a little thin compared to my Klipsch at which point he started to put down the Klipsches even though he sells them. At that point he told me "I think you're full of ****" and at which point I started to lose my patience. So using a few choice words :D I told him I would bring in my Avia disc and run the test tones through the speakers to show him. To make a long story short after a few words back and forth I said my peace as calm as I could and left so I wouldnt have to jump over the counter and pummel him :)

I've been to quite a few A/V dealers and that was THE most unprofessional and insulting experience I've ever had. I have never even close experienced that when returning A/V products the few times I have. DO NOT go to Hods Home Theater in Waterford, Michigan. Worse A/V dealer ever. Sorry for the off topic.

BenK: Wow that's a bummer about that dealer! I'd like to hear more about your comparison between the RF-35 and the V-12, as I've had a chance to hear the Klipsch. You say the RF-35 had more "presence." Can you elaborate? Also, in your opinion, were the speakers close in performance? I know you said you were leaning toward the V-12, but would you be happy with the RF-35, or was the V-12 definitely the better speaker?

Thanks in advance
Anthony

Hi Anthony, this was the second time I demoed the V-12's but this time I listened more intently, with music I knew very well and much longer than the first time as I was set on the V-10's before.

The V-12's had excellent detail and imaging with nice punchy well defined bass. The RF-35's had deeper much more pronounced lower end but a little less defined with the high end not quite as detailed. The less defined bass output of the RF-35's might of been because they were only a few inches from the back wall.

Comparing my RF-3II's to the V-10's was slightly different in my living room. In addition I think the RF-3II's sound slightly different than the newer RF-35's. Without directly comparing them I cant say for sure.

The V-10's had again excellent clarity but not much mid to lower end and vocals sounded slightly artificial. The RF-3II's sounded much more live and natural with much better bass output. This wasnt surprising considering it has two 8" woofers compared to the V-10's one woofer. In movies the V-10's had excellent clarity with dialog and high action sound effects but lacked depth and impact compared to the Klipsches. One thing that surprised me was the V-10's were more ear piercing than the RF-3II's at high volume.

In the end it was a great experience comparing them. But I felt the Phase Techs needed more bass extension, better build quality and more center speaker choices. As of the V-12 being a better speaker that would be tough to saying since they are many other factors. I really did like them both especially the detail of the V-12's but judging from my experience with the V-10's I would have to go with the RF-35's. I'd still like to demo the V-12's in my living room though :D How was your demo experience?

Anthony, as a side note I just looked on the Klipsch website. It appears the RF-35's and RF3II's use slightly different drivers and crossover points which might attribute to the sound difference. I'm going to email Klipsch and see what they say. I know the RC-3II and RC-35 centers sound different with most people saying the older RC-3II sounds better. PM or email me if you want.

I'll try not to derail this thread too much...but after reading about the KEF Q7s I went to Ultimate Electronics here in Salt Lake City to have a listen. I was comparing the Q7 (towers) to the Q1s (bookshelves). Understanding that there obviously is a difference in the low end, I couldn't help thinking that the Q7's played "bigger" even when a subwoofer was used with the Q1's. I know there's a debate regarding using bookshelves with a sub vs. towers w/ a sub, but in my opinion, towers have bookshelves beat in soundstage or just plain filling a room with sound. I suspect that is what happened to you when you listened to and liked the V-12s, but were less than impressed with the V-10s when you got them home.

Anyway, while I was listening to the Q7s, and thinking they sounded kinda thin, I had the guy switch to the RF-35s. To me, they were much better and fuller in the mids and highs. Much bigger soundstage and 3D sound than the KEFs. I went back and listened to the RF-35s and RF-5s a second time and was again impressed (the RF-5s were a little better). there is a site called brandnamez.com that has the RF-35 for $660 a pair and the RF-5s for $800 a pair - far less than the prices at Ultimate Electronics - although I think you'd lose the manufacturer's warranty by buying on that site. However, considering the Klipsch warranty is only 1 year (I think), it might not be that risky. The only way I can listen to the V-12s is to have a local rep order them for me - going that route, I doubt I'd get much of a discount off the $1000 per pair price.

Hi all,

After all these years, I finally did it! I installed a Behringer parametric EQ for my Sub! It was NOT easy (took about 4-6 hours over a couple of days to get it right). But, Man what a difference! I used to get better sound in the lower frequencies with my V-12s set as "Large", running full range along with my sub for music. Now that I evened out the sub response I get much better integration between the sub and the V-12s with them set to small, crossed over at either 50Hz or 80Hz (depending on music). I can't believe it, it's like night and day, man am I happy! :)

But it has got me thinking, since I never run the V12s full range, I don't think I need Floorstanders anymore! Which my wife loves, btw!
So, I'm pretty sure, I'm going sell the V-12s and get the V-8s to replace them. Then I can put the V-8s on some nice stands, which again the wife loves!

If anyones interested in some practically new, mint condition V-12's at a good discount, shoot me a PM!

Best Regards,
Patrick

The only way I can listen to the V-12s is to have a local rep order them for me - going that route, I doubt I'd get much of a discount off the $1000 per pair price.
This is what I did and I did get a discount(but I ordered a complete package so that is possible..)

Originally posted by Shane Martin
This is what I did and I did get a discount(but I ordered a complete package so that is possible..)

Shane,

Did they come in yet? Interested in your thoughts of course!

Best Regards,
Patrick

Did they come in yet? Interested in your thoughts of course!
Any day now. While I can wait, I'm growing impatient and it's not the dealer or PT's fault, it's just human nature.

Yes, Shane I can relate!

BTW: For everyone else, my V-12s are officially up for sale on Audigon here:
Phase Technology Velocity V-12s, in mint condition! (http://cgi.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cl.pl?spkrfull&1086580190&view&1081433816)

Be sure to check my feedback on Audiogon if you have any doubts!

Best Regards,
Patrick

I got these last night. The packing is very solid and the finish of the Maple is just amazing.

The stands for the v12's are semi cheap looking but the spikes are very nice.

I've got some placement issues to work on but the sound is so good at low levels(I haven't cranked it up yet) I'm extremely happy.

2 thumbs up for my dealer and Phase Tech.

CONGRATS Shane!

Glad to hear you finally got them.

You're going to love how they sound when you crank them up. They absolutely sing at ALL levels.

Gradually, I think these "hidden gems" are going to make it in to more and more peoples audio systems!

Enjoy!

Patrick

I was checking out the top...(9.1's... right?) ... Phase Tech... looks impressive !

Craig,

Yep, 9.1s are some nice speakers, Iv'e listened to them a few times at my local dealer. And they are very well built. They sound very sweet as well, definately on the warmer side of neutral, but the imaging is spectacular. I prefer the detail of the Velocity line, they're not quite as "warm" as the PC series, but they are still as smooth as silk! They image like crazy as well!

One thing they both also have in common is a huge 3-dimensional soundstage, very deep and wide! Though I found the soundstage "narrows" slightly at louder levels with the PC 9.1s, which is not so with the Velocity V-12s!

BTW: Sorry I have not made the time to stop by the "Spot" for your shootout. But with the baby on the way, I have to pick my battles!

Best Regards,
Patrick

You are always a gent... Hope everything is well with the MRS. and BABY ... I wish we had a Phase Tech dealer around here... a company making drivers for over 50 years... impressive

Not many people come across as well as you do in any forum I've seen. And well informed to boot!

My wife and baby to be, are just fine.

And regarding the Phase Techs., with all the traveling you do, I'm sure you could find a dealer on your travels. There's quite a list on thier site:
Dealers and contacts (http://www.phasetech.com/contact/html/contact_frameset.html) Though many are custom installers!

Best Regards,
Patrick

Hi guys,
I have just returned from my trip to Chicago where I had hoped to get to listen to the V8's. Unfortunately I was only able to make it to two dealers in and around the Chicago area, neither of which had the V8's. One had no Phase Tech's on the floor @ all, even though they are a listed dealer, and the other had the PC1.1's. I did listen to them and while I thought they were OK, I wasn't blown away. After re-reading the posts several pages back comparing those to the Velocities, I am stuck right where I have been for several weeks...wanting to give them a listen and struggling to find a place to do it. I will say that my difficulties in actually finding and being able to audition the speakers I have been researching is not just limited to Phase Tech, I can't find anything. The dealers I can find always seem to have the 'other' line of speakers than the ones I'm looking at.

Well it looks like phase techs are out of the question for me. I've been reading up on them since yesterday after coming across them. Unfortunately after calling phase tech their is not a single dealer within Canada (i knew there was a reason I hated this place)

Onecall apparently ships but doesn't stock the V series and Im a little worried about the warranty side after the post I read earlier.

BamaPT

What were the 1.1's being driven with? I'm is the same boat you are I want to here the PC1.1ii and V8 but there are no dealers in Jersey that have either in stock to listen to. I sounds to me that despite the price the V8's are a better speaker than the 1.1II.

OZ-E.

Without Phase Tech speakers available in Canada, your best bet would be the Energy C series. Great sound for the $ like PT.

Dennis

Thomd73.

Funny you should mention the C Series. They were actually what I was looking at and almost bought before I came across the Phase Tech's.

However, like you said, the Energy C's are quite easy to get in Canada so it looks like Im back to them.

Out of curiosity, has anyone listened to the C Series and The Phase Tech V series? Anyone able to compare the two?

Cheers

Out of curiosity, has anyone listened to the C Series and The Phase Tech V series? Anyone able to compare the two?
I have. The Cabinetry is about a wash though I prefer the darker maple on the PT's. Sound Wise: The Energy's get a little bright but with the right equipment you should be ok. The equipment I heard them on was:
Sony ES- Digital amp receivers
and
Onkyo Integra seperates.

The upper end Energy's are better by a long shot than the C's but again they are alot more money and more inline with the PC line from PT.

I personally didn't care for the sound but some would prefer the Energy's I'm sure. It's a matter of taste really.

All I can say is I'm extremely happy. They are not setup correctly(due to a lack of time) but they image like a mother. I was watching Matrix last night at a fairly low volume and the off axis imaging was amazing. I almost felt like I had surround on. I can pretty much sit anywhere and not be out of the sweet spot.

I wonder if we can get PT added to Audioenvy or atleast find some space someplace and start up a PT version... I'm sure they'd be more than happy about it..

Thanks Shane. So you own witch PT's ? The V-12's or PC series?