Originally posted by ArtV
I just received my RDC 7.1. I haven't had a chance to hook it up yet and listen to it but if weight is any factor of it's quality, this thing is spectacular!

ArtV

ArtV,

Congratulations! When you have time, could you please let us know the firmware versions - master, i-Link, HDMI?

Thanks,

R

Originally posted by Expletive
Being a fundamentalist Anthem owner, i think we'd like to be able to take credit for an attack on 7.1s.

Unfortunately, IR is doing such a good job causing pain for its 7.1 owners early on, i doubt our malicious efforts could be differentiated from the actual production firmware.

:D :)

John

Touché.

Originally posted by pepar
Touché.

Thanks for taking it in good fun, that was its intent. :)

John

Originally posted by Expletive
Thanks for taking it in good fun, that was its intent. :)

John

But, of course! I'm still watching for box cutters, though. :)

Raz,

I have version 2.01
and HDMI version 1.2..........




















Just kidding. I'll let you know when it is hooked up.

ArtV

Originally posted by ArtV
Raz,

I have version 2.01
and HDMI version 1.2..........

Just kidding. I'll let you know when it is hooked up.

ArtV

Good one, but April 1st was two weeks ago. :p :eek:

Brian

Originally posted by bkzoller
Good one, but April 1st was two weeks ago. :p :eek:

Brian

For IR, April Fool's Day was re-positioned by a firmware revision. You didn't get that one?

Honest question: did anyone other than Raz have any problems with their 7.1?

TM

I'm having several problems with my RDC-7.1 and am working with my dealer to get another one.

1) Audible sound level changes lag volume control changes by several seconds.
2) When initially turning on RDC-7.1, switching RDC-7.1 inputs or changing TV channels, it takes 20 seconds before sound appears from the center channel (other audio channel levels ok).
3) When switching "Late-Night function" mode to "High" the volume temporarily increases abnormally.
4) Using trigger "A" to turn on/off a Lexicon LX-7 pwr amp, the pwr amp intermittently fails to turn off.
5) Intermittent "swooshing" white-noise in left channel that is only present with low frequency program source signals.
6) In "Direct" and "Pure" listening modes the subwoofer does not work, even though those modes are setup to use the subwoofer and the "Subwoofer Mode" is configured as "D.Bass".

Problems 1-3 only occur with multi-channel listening modes (e.g., PLIIx, which I use primarily).

Resetting the RDC-7.1 to its factory defaults did not resolve problems.

Upgrading firmware to 1.08 did not resolve problems.

All problems appeared after a few weeks of usage. Problems 1-5 did not present out-of-the-box.

Originally posted by anthonymoody
Honest question: did anyone other than Raz have any problems with their 7.1?

TM

Originally posted by gimp

5) Intermittent "swooshing" white-noise in left channel that is only present with low frequency program source signals.


Are you talking about the front left channel or the rear left channel or both? And what do you mean by "low frequency program source signals"?

R

All the RDC-7.1's that I had had audio dropouts with OTA HD channels. 1.08 is better than previous firmware versions but the problem is still there. The 1.03 Anthem D1 didn't have this problem.

R

Originally posted by Razvanel
Are you talking about the front left channel or the rear left channel or both? And what do you mean by "low frequency program source signals"?

R

Front left channel. I have a Velodyne DD-15 that has a low frequency sweep signal generator for use with its built-in equalizer. I thought I started hearing some noise while listening to music passages with low bass frequencies, so I turned on the Velodyne's signal generator and sure enough, frequencies below about 100 Hz were accompanied with a moderately loud swooshing noise in the front left channel. Weird or what?

Can somebody explain how bass management is supposed to work for the direct and pure listening modes??? In Setup for these listening modes there are settings for subwoofer, which I guess implies that sub output is support for these modes. In all listening modes I have set subwoofer to A. The sub works as expected in all other modes, however in the direct and pure modes there is absolutely no sub sound.

Raz, looks like the "one" problem I don't have is audio dropouts. The volume level problem sure is annoying since I don't have any OSD of volume level because all my HD TiVo, Denon 3910 and HTPC are all connected via DVI. I didn't get the HDMI card because I have three digital video sources and it only supports two, plus I guess you don't get OSD with HDMI switching anyway.

Originally posted by gimp

Raz, looks like the "one" problem I don't have is audio dropouts.

IR should replace your unit, have your dealer contact IR about it. I myself got all my replacement units very quickly.

R

Of the problems everyone has described I have the problem with the trigger intermittantly not turning my amp off. It's a bit annoying but not overly so, and definitely not enough for me to swap out the unit. If other, more serious problems develop I would swap it out.

TM

Have you tried using one of the 200ma trigger connections??

Originally posted by Krobar
Have you tried using one of the 200ma trigger connections??

I'm using trigger "A", which is 200ma, right? I should note that I initially did not have this problem, that is, initially it reliably triggered the amp off.

I'm working on exchanging my RDC-7.1, but I'd still like to know how BM is supposed to work in Direct and Pure listening modes:

"Can somebody explain how bass management is supposed to work for the direct and pure listening modes??? In Setup for these listening modes there are settings for subwoofer, which I guess implies that sub output is support for these modes. In all listening modes I have set subwoofer to A. The sub works as expected in all other modes, however in the direct and pure modes there is absolutely no sub sound."

Originally posted by gimp
I'm working on exchanging my RDC-7.1, but I'd still like to know how BM is supposed to work in Direct and Pure listening modes:


Page 58 explains how those modes operate, albeit vaguely. It seems to indicate that no bass management will be performed in either mode, so only the LFE track, when present, would be routed to the sub output. Apparently, the sub settings for those modes only indicate which sub should play the LFE.

Brian

Originally posted by bkzoller
Page 58 explains how those modes operate, albeit vaguely. It seems to indicate that no bass management will be performed in either mode, so only the LFE track, when present, would be routed to the sub output. Apparently, the sub settings for those modes only indicate which sub should play the LFE.

Brian

Thanks Brian. This is what I suspected. I like the way Denon does it better; offering a BM option in direct/pure modes.

If you are performing bass managment then it isnt direct or pure since this requires the DSP, Denon is wrong.

Hey for you guys with 7 channels - which processing format have you settled on as your default for DD and DTS streams?

TM

Originally posted by anthonymoody
Hey for you guys with 7 channels - which processing format have you settled on as your default for DD and DTS streams?

TM

THX Ultra2. FWIW, I have my rears set to monopole and mounted just inches apart as per THX' ASA recommendation.

Originally posted by anthonymoody
Hey for you guys with 7 channels - which processing format have you settled on as your default for DD and DTS streams?

TM

DPLIIx.

R

Originally posted by anthonymoody
Hey for you guys with 7 channels - which processing format have you settled on as your default for DD and DTS streams?

TM

PLIIx. If I'm watching a movie with DD5.1 (HDTV or DVD) then I switch to THXUltra2.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by anthonymoody
[B]Hey for you guys with 7 channels - which processing format have you settled on as your default for DD and DTS streams?


I am using dipoles for my rears and monopole for my sides. I am using DPLIIx Movie for all my video, 2-channel as well as 5.1 sources.

Regards,
Will

Sorry this took so long but here are my firmware revisions:

master: 1.06

i-link: 1.01

hdmi: 1.00

By the way, I take delivery of my ati at2007 amp on Monday. Anyone care to help me lift it?

ArtV

Originally posted by ArtV


By the way, I take delivery of my ati at2007 amp on Monday. Anyone care to help me lift it?

No, but I'll honor you on Monday by drinking a beer or two.....;)

Originally posted by ArtV

master: 1.06


ArtV,

The latest master firmware - 1.08 - can be now downloaded from the IR site.

R

Originally posted by ArtV
Sorry this took so long but here are my firmware revisions:

master: 1.06

i-link: 1.01

hdmi: 1.00

By the way, I take delivery of my ati at2007 amp on Monday. Anyone care to help me lift it?

ArtV

:)

Has anyone that downloaded and installed firmware version 1.08 noticed any difference in the playback of television shows in surround sound? I had watched many programs with version 1.03 and never had issue with dialogue intelligibility. On Wednesday I installed version 1.08 and now have difficulty making out dialogue - particluarly with DD 2.0 soundtracks (played back via DD PLIIx movie mode). It sounds like the center channel volume is reduced when I engage the DD PLIIx movie mode. It improves a little if I change to the DPL IIx music mode - but the dialogue is still somewhat difficlut to make out.

Thanks

I haven't noticed this in general and that's the upgrade I did (1.03 -> 1.08). However, I don't watch too much TV with 2.0 sound...

TM

I was looking to replace the POS remote that comes with the RDC-7.1. Unfortunately, I use the Nettune buttons a lot and I have not found a remote that has all the hard buttons that I need. I am looking for a RF receiver that would work with the remote for the RDC-7.1. Ideally, I would like something like the RTI RP-6, that can convert the RF signal to RS-232. I would love to know if the RP-6 would work with the my remote, and if not, does anything else exist.

OK Pepar, my amp is sitting at my mail box waiting to be picked up. I figure it's only a 5 and 1/2 hour drive for you to get to my place. I'm waiting...............

ArtV

Originally posted by ArtV
OK Pepar, my amp is sitting at my mail box waiting to be picked up. I figure it's only a 5 and 1/2 hour drive for you to get to my place. I'm waiting...............

ArtV

I've heard it's much easier to move them around if you drag 'em by the power cord. :)

Hi All,

Just wondering if anyone has checked in with Jose (or anyone else) recently to see what if anything is on the horizon for us (yes, I'm impatient :)) Inquiries to the IR website are met with "no info at this time" type responses...

TM

Originally posted by anthonymoody
Hi All,

Just wondering if anyone has checked in with Jose (or anyone else) recently to see what if anything is on the horizon for us (yes, I'm impatient :)) Inquiries to the IR website are met with "no info at this time" type responses...

TM

I left a msg for him Tue but have not heard from him. I need to send mine in for repairs. Anyone have an email address for him?

Originally posted by gimp
I need to send mine in for repairs.

That's a pain in the a... Why don't you ask your dealer for a replacement unit? My dealer quickly replaced my defective units 3 times, no questions asked.

R

Originally posted by Razvanel
That's a pain in the a... Why don't you ask your dealer for a replacement unit? My dealer quickly replaced my defective units 3 times, no questions asked.

R

I asked my dealer to do that and he says IR refused since it is their policy to only replace units that are DOA. I wanted to see if Jose could possibly help me out but he never returned my voicemail. I guess I have to try the general Onkyo/Integra/IR support line. From the website it appears that I'll have to ship it to either Murray UT or Santa Monica. I guess IR doesn't have an "in-house" repair center as all of the listed repair centers are other companies. The Murray UT location is listed as a "Regional Repair Center", but it is much farther away than SM. UPS shipping looks about the same. Any thoughts on any advantage of going to a "Regional"?

By the way, my RDC-7.1 has continued to degrade. The only listening mode that works now is stereo. In all other modes the center channel has no sound except for a loud hiss, and the volume of the other channels can't be controled.

Originally posted by gimp
he says IR refused since it is their policy to only replace units that are DOA.

I know for a fact that that's not true: my dealer replaced two defective units that were not DOA. You'd better contact IR directly and ask them for a replacement.

R

Wow Gimp that's really awful - sorry to hear that. I might also try pressing your dealer harder about this. You paid a lot of dough for it - they should take care of you.

TM

Some of you 7.1 pioneers sure are taking a lot of arrows in the chest.

Hello fellow owners,

Sorry I haven't posted in a bit but I've been in the hospital since taking delivery of my ATI AT2007 amp. Cr@p that was heavy.

The IR has some nice surround modes compared to my AVM20. Dolby virtual was a nice surprise. While my house is being built I am stuck in an apartment with only two channels and no subwoofer. Dolby virtual seems to open up the sound nicely. I can't wait to hear it in 7.1!

Has anyone gotten the net-tune module? How is it? Looking for some feedback before I decide if I am going to get it.

ArtV

Originally posted by ArtV
Hello fellow owners,

Sorry I haven't posted in a bit but I've been in the hospital since taking delivery of my ATI AT2007 amp. Cr@p that was heavy.

The IR has some nice surround modes compared to my AVM20. Dolby virtual was a nice surprise. While my house is being built I am stuck in an apartment with only two channels and no subwoofer. Dolby virtual seems to open up the sound nicely. I can't wait to hear it in 7.1!

Has anyone gotten the net-tune module? How is it? Looking for some feedback before I decide if I am going to get it.

ArtV

I got the Net-Tune card and like it. I use it to listen to bit-perfect wav files on my HTPC (ripped my entire cd collection). The PC application user-interface is not very good. The only lossless format that it supports is wav.

Any news on future lossless format support like APE?

With the D1 going back to the shop, I am tempted to try a 7.1 as it has features that would help a lot--BUT, then there is gimp's story and all these others... Has anyone gotten one first time around that actually works? Including firewire? Reading through this thread makes it sound like the 7.1 is in beta stage yet. Pretty scary.

Originally posted by DoctorO
With the D1 going back to the shop, I am tempted to try a 7.1 as it has features that would help a lot--BUT, then there is gimp's story and all these others... Has anyone gotten one first time around that actually works? Including firewire? Reading through this thread makes it sound like the 7.1 is in beta stage yet. Pretty scary.

Get one from a dealer who will exchange it if the unit turns out to be defective. I myself think that the beta stage is over, the latest firmware - 1.08 - is very stable.

R

DoctorO,

I have had my IR unit for approximately 2 months and have not had issues. I have not yet upgraded to the latest firmware. I also use firewire for multichannel in two rooms. I did not understand how to correctly set up the second room and asked and received help on these forums on how to accomplish that.

Regards,
Will

I have had my new (but now old AV Room) ready for the past two years. Ready except for the main controller. Speakers, amps and all sources are ready. It just seems that there have been holes (missing or dis-functional features) holding me from pulling the trigger on any unit. There, I've got my frustration out now so I will ask my question.

I have high end equipment and wonder whether this unit would fit in with features and sound quality to that level. I've heard and read little spurts of positives about the unit but no one comes out and says this thing is incredible or word to that effect. I have read allot more negative then positive and quite frankly this is about the same thing that happens when ever something new gets released and I wait for the reacts and then it all kind of peters out.

I know some will say to just go for it or better yet bring some units home to try. The problem is that I live in a remote area with really no dealers that allow that.

All the people that own these things, what are your true feelings about the unit now that you have had it for awhile in terms of sound quality and features/software, etc. ?

Oh, and since I could not find another tread addressing my question, hows that "Integra Trade IN Announcement" going? :>)

Thanks in advance

Jim

Also, are there any sites where they are having regular dialog about this unit?

Originally posted by jtrumper
All the people that own these things, what are your true feelings about the unit now that you have had it for awhile in terms of sound quality and features/software, etc. ?


Jim,

The RDC-7.1 is my third processor - I also owned the Integra Research RDC-7 and the Anthem Statement D1. IMO the RDC-7.1 is the best of the three both sound wise and feature wise. The latest software is 1.08 and is very stable.

R

DoctorO et al,

I'm on my first 7.1 and it's great. I updated from 1.03 to 1.08 w/o a hitch and all seems to work well. I have a flunky trigger but it's not the end of the world (if I ever have any larger issues I'll send it in and have them look at the trigger while they're at it).

My dealer's been great (thanks Raz!) and I love the 7.1. I especially love the component->HDMI conversion since my POS cable box has lots of trouble handshaking with my PJ which makes me resort to component from the box to the 7.1 quite often. (My dvd player handshakes perfectly every time so I know it's the cable box).

There is currently no product on the market I'd rather have from a price/feature/performance standpoint.

TM

I have had mine for a couple months now. I don't have any complaints about the ergonomics or the sound quality. In fact it sounds very good and it integrates my components very nicely. Most of the time I don't even notice the processor at all because I am so busy enjoying the music or movie that I am playing. I was initially concerned that the audio upconversion/resampling could not be turned off, but it is working so well that there is no reason for such a feature.

The two additions that would make the unit perfect for me would be Audessey MultEQ and a new HDMI card with video scaling, multichannel audio support and more inputs. I am not using the firewire input yet because I am waiting for the HD-DVD and/or Blu-ray formats before purchasing a new disc player.

Brian

I too would love if the 4x1 HDMI card had a scaler built in (or at least optional). Preferably a good one :)

TM

Does anyone else hear hiss from their speakers when turning the processor up on an unused input? I do on mine and it completely disappears when the sound is muted. It is not a tremendously loud hiss and I doubt it would be noticeable from a reasonable distance. I happened to notice it while making adjustments (playing) with the font panel. My processor sits not far from my main front channel.

ArtV

When I select an unused input, I can hear a slight hiss from the tweeter with my ear about a foot from the speaker. It is at a lower level than the background noise in the room and I can't hear the hiss from my chair.

Brian

Speaking of noises, my RDC-7.1 causes a "thump" from my Velodyne DD-15 (connected via balanced) every time I change inputs or whenever the "Program format display" front panel indicator goes on such as when a program changes from Dolby Pro-Logic to Dolby Digital. For example, if a program is DD and goes to a commercial that isn't, when the program resumes I get the "thump". Anyone else have a sub connected via balanced hear this?

Originally posted by ArtV
Does anyone else hear hiss from their speakers when turning the processor up on an unused input?


Yes, I hear it.

R

Long time without any activity here. So I guess we're all enjoying our 7.1s? :)

TM

Long time without any activity here. So I guess we're all enjoying our 7.1s? :)

TM

Definitely NOT enjoying mine. The only listening mode that works is stereo. Will send in for repair when I go on vacation later this month.

Mine developed a problem about 10 days ago. Basically, the front display on my unit goes dark most of the time except for the small volume indicator. The only time I can see which input and surround mode is selected is when first powering on, when switching inputs and when adjusting the volume. During those times, the front display seems normal. Then after a few seconds, it goes mostly dark again.

I also noticed that the immediate OSD switching on/off to indicate input and volume changes seems to correspond with the front display switching on/off. I am still on the 1.06 firmware, but I want to do the 1.08 upgrade to see what happens. It is possible that some part of the firmware that controls the front display got hosed. Audio and video on the unit have been working without any problems.

Brian

Long time without any activity here. So I guess we're all enjoying our 7.1s? :)

TM

And our un-upgraded, but reliable 7's.

:)

Brian and Gimp,
Sorry to hear about the issues your 7.1's are having. Maybe I should consider myself lucky. I do use 1.08 without any real issues as far as I can tell...

Pepar,
That reminds me - they never did do anything about adding firewire to the 7 did they? (let alone provide an upgrade path to the 7.1). I know that the extent of the upgradeability/future proofing has been debated based on the marketing copy related to the 7, but didn't they specifically call out fw as a down the road update? It's been so long that I've forgotten but iirc that was the case, no?

TM

Brian and Gimp,
Sorry to hear about the issues your 7.1's are having. Maybe I should consider myself lucky. I do use 1.08 without any real issues as far as I can tell...

Pepar,
That reminds me - they never did do anything about adding firewire to the 7 did they? (let alone provide an upgrade path to the 7.1). I know that the extent of the upgradeability/future proofing has been debated based on the marketing copy related to the 7, but didn't they specifically call out fw as a down the road update? It's been so long that I've forgotten but iirc that was the case, no?

TM

My last communication with Jose was in March and at that time he was projecting Aug/Sep '05. He said that those at I & IR are pushing HARD (his emphasis) for the Firewire upgrade to the 7. He also said they are wary of making a public announcement in case there are any more delays because that would surely further tarnish their reputation.

My last communication with Jose was in March and at that time he was projecting Aug/Sep '05. He said that those at I & IR are pushing HARD (his emphasis) for the Firewire upgrade to the 7. He also said they are wary of making a public announcement in case there are any more delays because that would surely further tarnish their reputation.

It will be interesting to find out what happens with this. I have also been following the upcoming Anthem D1/AVM30 upgrade. They were originally supposed to add both HDMI and firewire, but recently they have hinted at the possibility of not including firewire. That makes me wonder whether the RDC-7 firewire upgrade will ever happen. IR has apparently already ruled out HDMI as an option for that unit.

Hey, isn't it fun to go back on topic every once in a while? ;) :p

Brian

My last communication with Jose was in March and at that time he was projecting Aug/Sep '05. He said that those at I & IR are pushing HARD (his emphasis) for the Firewire upgrade to the 7. He also said they are wary of making a public announcement in case there are any more delays because that would surely further tarnish their reputation.

FYI, when I was tring to get some help from IR with my problems I left three different vmails for Jose and he never returned any of them.

It will be interesting to find out what happens with this. I have also been following the upcoming Anthem D1/AVM30 upgrade. They were originally supposed to add both HDMI and firewire, but recently they have hinted at the possibility of not including firewire. That makes me wonder whether the RDC-7 firewire upgrade will ever happen. IR has apparently already ruled out HDMI as an option for that unit.

Hey, isn't it fun to go back on topic every once in a while? ;) :p

Brian

One of the reasons I got the 7.1 was i.LINK and I am successfully using it with my Denon 3910. However based on everything I've read regarding HD DVD/BD, I suspect DTS HD/DD+ might be passed either only through analog or a revised version HDMI. I think HDMI will evolve to be the preferred digital interface standard for future hi-rez multi-channel formats including DTS HD and DD+. This might be a major reason why so few consumer electronics companies have adopted the IEEE1394/i.LINK/Firewire interfaces. If this should happen it will be interesting to see how long companies like Pioneer, Denon and Onkyo (including I & IR) continue to include 1394 interfaces on future products.

All of the uncertainties surrounding HD DVD/BD may cause resolution of these issues to take several years. One of those uncertainties is whether the 7.1 has enough DSP horsepower for DTS HD/DD+. Even though IR could produce a new HDMI card to accept DTS HD/DD+, what if the internal DSPs were not capable of decoding (even with new firmware)?

If this should happen it will be interesting to see how long companies like Pioneer, Denon and Onkyo (including I & IR) continue to include 1394 interfaces on future products.

All of the uncertainties surrounding HD DVD/BD may cause resolution of these issues to take several years. One of those uncertainties is whether the 7.1 has enough DSP horsepower for DTS HD/DD+. Even though IR could produce a new HDMI card to accept DTS HD/DD+, what if the internal DSPs were not capable of decoding (even with new firmware)?

Yamaha is still adding 1394 to their new receivers and universal players, but that is basically the complete list. Anthem only sells pre/pros rather than receivers, so it would be hard for them to expend the amount of resources that the other companies do to add new interfaces. It does seems as if firewire is being used as the backward compatibile digital interface rather than the one for future disc players.

There was a thread in this forum about the latest and greatest DSPs and the products which would have them. It seemed tha the TI model in the IR and other brands was regarded as one of the best and would have a good chance of having the capability to support future formats. There is also the notion that only the disc player is required to do the decoding, which would deliver the audio in PCM format over HDMI to the processor.

Brian

Gimp,

Yes. I have the same setup (7.1 w/ DD-15 via balanced) and experience a thump as I change channels or surround formats. I hope we can get this feedback back to Onkyo. It's very annoying.

marty

Gimp,

Yes. I have the same setup (7.1 w/ DD-15 via balanced) and experience a thump as I change channels or surround formats. I hope we can get this feedback back to Onkyo. It's very annoying.

marty

It's probably an inherent design flaw that they are not muting during these transitions. It might be just with the balanced out because I had some DefTech subs connected via RCA and didn't notice it.

Did anyone else notice that the V1.08 firmware download has been removed from the IR website? I would have thought that they would have left this up until it was superseded by a later version. Has anyone heard of a new firmware version in the pipe?

Yes, there was a discussion yesterday in the Onkyo TXNR-1000 thread. Onkyo, Integra and IR all removed links to the 1.08 firmware from their main pages. Onkyo and IR apparently removed the entire page. Integra still had the page available by doing a Google search on "DTR-10.5 firmware".

Brian

Whoa I don't follow that other thread (nor check in on IR frequently). That's really interesting. Could be bad, could be good, could be neither. My guess is that it means that d/l's have pretty much ceased, they're now shipping all units with 1.08, etc.

TM

Is the RDC-7 firmware upgradeable? If so, what is the latest (final) version?

Someone on the Audioholics forum claims that "today I got another email from IR saying that we were closing in on a trade in announcement, within a week."

R

Mine developed a problem about 10 days ago. Basically, the front display on my unit goes dark most of the time except for the small volume indicator. The only time I can see which input and surround mode is selected is when first powering on, when switching inputs and when adjusting the volume. During those times, the front display seems normal. Then after a few seconds, it goes mostly dark again.

I also noticed that the immediate OSD switching on/off to indicate input and volume changes seems to correspond with the front display switching on/off. I am still on the 1.06 firmware, but I want to do the 1.08 upgrade to see what happens. It is possible that some part of the firmware that controls the front display got hosed. Audio and video on the unit have been working without any problems.

Brian

I could be mistaken but it sounds to me that you have pressed the "Dimmer button" on the remote. Just press it once more...

Someone on the Audioholics forum claims that "today I got another email from IR saying that we were closing in on a trade in announcement, within a week."

R
As a relatively new RDC-7 owner - I bought about 1-1/2 yrs ago at a "nice" price when the RDC-7.1 was announced - how anxious should I be for a trade-in offer on a RDC-7.1? I absolutely love my RDC-7 and am not jazzed about DPLIIx, so I guess it's down to a difference in performance, other features and the elusive "future-proof-ness." My present usage of my system is mostly movies and the occasional DD concert video, though I do have a good assortment of DVD-A titles that I've been holding off on playing until IEEE1394 comes to my RDC-7. Some of the movies I watch are classics with only stereo or mono sound. And I do have multiple DVI sources - DVD and HTPC.

OK, I'm a bit excited already, but at what level of cash outlay to make the switch should I go over the top? TIA!

So what do guys think as a reasonable price for the trade in offer?

I absolutely love my RDC-7 and am not jazzed about DPLIIx, so I guess it's down to a difference in performance, other features and the elusive "future-proof-ness." My present usage of my system is mostly movies and the occasional DD concert video, though I do have a good assortment of DVD-A titles that I've been holding off on playing until IEEE1394 comes to my RDC-7

I've owned the RDC-7, the Anthem D1, and now the RDC-7.1. Sound wise, the RDC-7.1 sounds best to me. Compared to the RDC-7, the RDC-7.1 has a lot more features and a much improved bass management.

R

I've owned the RDC-7, the Anthem D1, and now the RDC-7.1. Sound wise, the RDC-7.1 sounds best to me. Compared to the RDC-7, the RDC-7.1 has a lot more features and a much improved bass management.

R

Thanks, Raz. I knew you've been around the block on pre/pros and was hoping to hear from you. Is improved bass management an issue outside of DVD-A/SACD? Can you be more specific/descriptive in how the 7.1 bests the 7 in sound? If it matters, I have an M&K S-150-based 7.1 system driven by an ATI 2007 amp. By more features, you mean DVI switching? Anything else I'm likely to use?

Finally, what's a fair price to step up?

TIA!

Thanks, Raz. I knew you've been around the block on pre/pros and was hoping to hear from you. Is improved bass management an issue outside of DVD-A/SACD? Can you be more specific/descriptive in how the 7.1 bests the 7 in sound? If it matters, I have an M&K S-150-based 7.1 system driven by an ATI 2007 amp. By more features, you mean DVI switching? Anything else I'm likely to use?

Finally, what's a fair price to step up?

TIA!

About bass management: the RDC-7 has the double bass problem - when speakers are set to large on the RDC-7 the sub still plays even if there's no LFE in the recording. The RDC-7.1 allows you to choose between double bass and LFE only. I myself couldn't stand the double bass on the RDC-7. Other than that, the RDC-7.1 sound is similar to the RDC-7 sound, maybe a little more detailed.

More features: HDMI switching, firewire, two 7.1 multichannel inputs, 6 optical and 6 coaxial digital inputs, Nettune, card based.

A base RDC 7.1 costs $4000, a fully loaded one around $5500. A used RDC-7 sells for $1800 - $1900. Fair trade-in price: RDC-7 + $1500 for a base RDC-7.1.

R

About bass management: the RDC-7 has the double bass problem - when speakers are set to large on the RDC-7 the sub still plays even if there's no LFE in the recording. The RDC-7.1 allows you to choose between double bass and LFE only. I myself couldn't stand the double bass on the RDC-7. Other than that, the RDC-7.1 sound is similar to the RDC-7 sound, maybe a little more detailed.

More features: HDMI switching, firewire, two 7.1 multichannel inputs, 6 optical and 6 coaxial digital inputs, Nettune, card based.

A base RDC 7.1 costs $4000, a fully loaded one around $5500. A used RDC-7 sells for $1800 - $1900. Fair trade-in price: RDC-7 + $1500 for a base RDC-7.1.

R

Thanks.

I've not run in to the double bass problem as I've never set the spkrs to LARGE. More detailed is always good. Two MC inputs would be nice, but if I had Firewire, I'd be back to one MC input - the HTPC - and wouldn't need switching. This is all coming back to me now, the differences between the two units. Just not enough to make me want to plunk down another $2k - $3k at this time. The Firewire upgrade for the RDC-7 would seal the deal. We'll see I guess . . .

Thanks again.

I could be mistaken but it sounds to me that you have pressed the "Dimmer button" on the remote. Just press it once more...

Hey, thanks! :) That did the trick. The curious thing is that I don't seem to have the Dimmer button programmed into the MX-850. I had to use the button behind the front panel door to switch it. Maybe a different remote command was interpreted as the Dimmer command. :confused: Anyway, it's reassuring to know that my pre/pro isn't broken.

Brian

Hey, thanks! :) That did the trick. The curious thing is that I don't seem to have the Dimmer button programmed into the MX-850. I had to use the button behind the front panel door to switch it. Maybe a different remote command was interpreted as the Dimmer command. :confused: Anyway, it's reassuring to know that my pre/pro isn't broken.

Brian

Brian,

Good to hear that your unit is fine. Mine has worked perfectly so far, it looks like our batch was a good one. I too got the MX-850, great remote.

R

Brian,

Good to hear that your unit is fine. Mine has worked perfectly so far, it looks like our batch was a good one. I too got the MX-850, great remote.

R

I just recently upgraded to firmware 1.08. Possibly, the front panel dimmer issue could have been a glitch in 1.06. I vaguely remember using the front panel Dimmer button with the older firmware and seeing no effect.

I'm glad you are enjoying the MX-850. :-)

Pepar, I also added the ATI 2007 amp and balanced cables to my system recently. It's a great amp, very detailed and a nice upgrade from my previous Parasound amps. When the pre/pro is locked onto a digital signal that is silent, the amp is virtually dead quiet. The problem I reported before when turning up the volume on an unused input seems to be with the processor in analog mode. That is the default when the digital input does not have an active signal.

Brian

Pepar, I also added the ATI 2007 amp and balanced cables to my system recently. It's a great amp, very detailed and a nice upgrade from my previous Parasound amps. When the pre/pro is locked onto a digital signal that is silent, the amp is virtually dead quiet. The problem I reported before when turning up the volume on an unused input seems to be with the processor in analog mode. That is the default when the digital input does not have an active signal.

Congrats, Brian! There used to be more buzz about ATI, but recently I've seen/heard nothing in the A/V press. Nonetheless, I'm very pleased with ATI amps. I'm a balanced line believer as well and would probably use them for even short runs. ATI's new amps are "natively" balanced and using single-ended requires a pass through transformers. Balanced lines, though, will not remove any noise already in the signal - just prevent any from entering on it's watch.

Wow it would be quite amazing after all this time if they really did wind up offering a trade in. I never did sell my 7 - I 'retired' it to a set up in a weekend home. Since I've been thinking about upgrading the display in that set up (to something digital) I would probably be inclined to trade in the 7 for a 7.1 even though I already also have a 7.1 :)

In terms of the trade in price, I think if they did at as Raz suggested it would be great, and very generous. I'd even go so far as to say that if it were $1500 + your 7 for a base unit that they'd have to charge full MSRP for any add'l cards you selected (in order to make any money on it). In any case I'd applaud a trade in loudly from the highest mountain top :)

TM

I expect the Firewire upgrade offer for RDC-7 in the "3rd quarter" and trade-in offer, if it happens, in the 4th quarter. "everything is very preliminary and not even confirmed"

Wish I could attribute this, but no one wants to raise expectations only to have unforeseen problems arise and give O/I/IR more of a black eye.

I'd even go so far as to say that if it were $1500 + your 7 for a base unit that they'd have to charge full MSRP for any add'l cards you selected (in order to make any money on it).

One can pay $1500 for the base unit and later order the extra cards from a dealer at a discount.

R

One can pay $1500 for the base unit and later order the extra cards from a dealer at a discount.
R

If they do have a trade in program, maybe $1500 won't be the number. Would IR even be able to salvage parts from the old units?

Brian

If they do have a trade in program, maybe $1500 won't be the number. Would IR even be able to salvage parts from the old units?

Brian

I'd imagine that they'd sell them as refurbished. Or B stock. Or some such designation.

I'd imagine that they'd sell them as refurbished. Or B stock. Or some such designation.

From the Onkyo 1000 receiver thread:

"today a new firmware version was released for the modular receivers:

TX-NR1000
DTR-10.5
RDC-7.1

Version 1.09 with these updates:

1.09 7/6/2005 i.LINK connection fix
Digital "Input Mode" specification changed
IR iRadio commands fixed
IR Tuner Direct Tuning commands fixed
minor bug fixes"

R

..

Cool Raz, thanks! Not on the IR site yet, presumably soon...


TM

According to the other thread, the 1.09 firmware is on the sites available to the dealers. We've been through this process already with the 1.08 firmware before they put it on the public sites. :rolleyes:

Brian

For those just joining us... so I got the RDC-7.1 at the beginning of March and all was ok for the first month. I then started having problems with the center channel and volume control not working properly. After several more weeks my dealer advised me that I had to send it in for repair. I called IR and was given the name of a local repair shop. They had it several weeks and claimed they fixed it. They didn't. Spoke to IR again yesterday and requested a replacement. IR advised me to send a FAX to "ONKYO Customer Relations" with an explanation, sales receipt and repair receipt. They also said it takes seven days for them to respond. Stay tuned...

I'd like a show of hands on how many HAPPY RDC-7.1 owners are tuned into this thread.

:)

I'm definitely a happy owner. Having had the Outlaw 950, I intended to "upgrade" to their 990. However, I treated myself to the Integra instead.

What a good sounding chiselded unit this is! There is something to be said about spending the extra money for that "pride of ownership" feeling.

After several more weeks my dealer advised me that I had to send it in for repair.

Gimp,

Your dealer isn't very good. My dealer had Integra Research replace all my defective units immediately, no questions asked. Today I e-mailed my dealer about the new upgrade and within half an hour he e-mailed it to me and then e-mailed me again to make sure I got it and everything's OK. Outstanding customer service.

R

My dealer too is excellent. He should be, he is the same dealer as Raz's.

ArtV

Upgrade update: I did it this morning and it took about 80 minutes. The master version is now 1.09 and i-Link is 1.02. Once the update was completed I got an "i-Link error" message. I had to unplug the unit to make it work and then all my settings got erased. I had to re-enter the settings and everything's working fine now.

R

I am a happy RDC 7.1 owner. By far the most money I've spent on a single piece of gear, but I really feel like it is a great product, and worth it. Besides doing things that my Denon receivers couldn't do, it just sounds more refined. I have had a couple wierdnesses. With balanced connections, I got annoying click sounds when changing inputs or surround modes, so I went back to RCA connections. The other is sometimes some channels seem to lag the volume control. A quick question, is there a way to directly switch to an input from the remote? I just use the thumbwheel, and haven't looked at the manual yet. Thanks!!! And thanks Raz!!!

Gimp,

Your dealer isn't very good.

R

What makes it particularly painful is that IR is even worse.

I am a happy RDC 7.1 owner. By far the most money I've spent on a single piece of gear, but I really feel like it is a great product, and worth it. Besides doing things that my Denon receivers couldn't do, it just sounds more refined. I have had a couple wierdnesses. With balanced connections, I got annoying click sounds when changing inputs or surround modes, so I went back to RCA connections. The other is sometimes some channels seem to lag the volume control. A quick question, is there a way to directly switch to an input from the remote? I just use the thumbwheel, and haven't looked at the manual yet. Thanks!!! And thanks Raz!!!

OMG, I'm not the only one with the weird volume control lag??? This is absolutely a defect. Watch out because mine has gotten worse over time. If left on long enough, the center channel stops working altogether. Also note that if I set the speaker configuration to no center speaker, the lag problem disappears. If you get a chance let me know if this eliminates your lag (not a long term workaround but makes mine usable).

I get "thumps" instead of clicks with balanced connections when changing inputs or surround modes. Haven't tried unbalanced. I don't think this is a defect, I think it is a poor design.

I don't believe you can directly select an input using the remote. However, if you have a programmable remote, it is possible. The IR remote input selector is not truly cyclical. The IR code transmitted is a discrete for each input. If you capture that code for each input and program to a discrete command on your programmable remote, you can then directly select an input. Hope that makes sense. I discovered this in the course of programming macros for my Pronto TS1000.

Thank you for some valuable info. It's good to know I'm not the only one having problems.

What makes it particularly painful is that IR is even worse.

It's always been like that...

R

I have had a couple wierdnesses. With balanced connections, I got annoying click sounds when changing inputs or surround modes, so I went back to RCA connections. The other is sometimes some channels seem to lag the volume control. A quick question, is there a way to directly switch to an input from the remote? I just use the thumbwheel, and haven't looked at the manual yet. Thanks!!! And thanks Raz!!!

I haven't tried the balanced connections. Haven't had the volume control problem, it might be a good idea to contact the dealer about that, he's very good at helping his customers. I don't use the IR remote but on my MX-850 I can directly switch to an input, I think that I taught my MX-850 from the IR remote.

A cool thing about the RDC-7.1 is that if the unit is off and you press an input on the front panel or the remote the unit turns itself on automatically.

R

As much as the RDC-7.1 impresses me and would seem to be a good move to upgrade to from my RDC-7 if they make an attractive offer, all of these niggling problems really give me pause. Yes, I have to use an external DVI switcher and no, I do not have a IEEE1394 input for my Denon 3910, but there's something to be said about turning my pre/pro on and enjoying the friggin' entertainment. But then there's always the possibility that the happy RDC-7.1 owners have no need for this thread because they ARE occupied enjoying the friggin' entertainment. I wish I knew . . .

OMG, I'm not the only one with the weird volume control lag??? This is absolutely a defect. Watch out because mine has gotten worse over time. If left on long enough, the center channel stops working altogether. Also note that if I set the speaker configuration to no center speaker, the lag problem disappears. If you get a chance let me know if this eliminates your lag (not a long term workaround but makes mine usable).

I get "thumps" instead of clicks with balanced connections when changing inputs or surround modes. Haven't tried unbalanced. I don't think this is a defect, I think it is a poor design.


The volume control lag does sound weird. I have never noticed it, and I agree that yours must have a defect. I hope both of you are able to get the units repaired or replaced.

I have not noticed any clicks or thumps when changing inputs or surround modes. I have used unbalanced connections to Parasound amps and balanced connections to an ATI amp. Maybe it only happens or is only noticable at louder volume levels than I normally use. I'll have to listen more carefully for it.

Brian

I don't use the IR remote but on my MX-850 I can directly switch to an input, I think that I taught my MX-850 from the IR remote.

A cool thing about the RDC-7.1 is that if the unit is off and you press an input on the front panel or the remote the unit turns itself on automatically.

R

Did you really learn a bunch of codes on the MX-850? I just used preprogrammed codes for an Integra receiver and then moved buttons around using the LCD button editor. I also noticed the input selection power on feature a couple days ago. Before that, I didn't realize it would behave that way. :)

Pepar, I have no complaints about my RDC-7.1. There's no other processor available right now that I would want more than this one. The Anthem D1 would have been a contender if the HDMI/scaler upgrade were available at the time, but I am very happy with the IR product. I am also using a DVI switch instead of the HDMI module because I want to wait for a newer version of the module.

Brian

Did you really learn a bunch of codes on the MX-850?


Just a few.

R

I'm a happy 7.1 owner :)

I use balanced connections and have no volume control/lag issues or pops, etc.

TM

I'm a happy 7.1 owner :)

TM

Are you a happy Yankee fan?

:)

I'm a happy 7.1 owner :)

I use balanced connections and have no volume control/lag issues or pops, etc.

TM

Well then maybe those clicks/thumps/etc. are indeed due to a defect.

Well then maybe those clicks/thumps/etc. are indeed due to a defect.

I am hearing a relay click from inside the unit when switching inputs. I happens once or twice and seems to be related to switching component video on/off or between different inputs. The clicks are definitely not coming from the speakers. It is similar to the behavior of the B&K Ref 50, but I think its relay clicks happened when switching audio inputs. The external amps and corresponding connection method would therefore not be involved in the IR case. The latter was what I thought you were describing earlier.

Brian

I am hearing a relay click from inside the unit when switching inputs. I happens once or twice and seems to be related to switching component video on/off or between different inputs. The clicks are definitely not coming from the speakers. It is similar to the behavior of the B&K Ref 50, but I think its relay clicks happened when switching audio inputs. The external amps and corresponding connection method would therefore not be involved in the IR case. The latter was what I thought you were describing earlier.

Brian

I guess we are talking about different things then. My "thump" comes from the speakers, especially the subwoofer.

I guess we are talking about different things then. My "thump" comes from the speakers, especially the subwoofer.

I am not using a subwoofer currently, so that could be part of the explanation why I don't hear it. Could you try turning off the sub output in the pre/pro, setting the front mains to large (full band) and testing again?

Brian

Are you a happy Yankee fan?

:)


For a day at least!! Man, what could be more poetic? Hanging the loss on Schilling...at the hands of A-Rod...and Mo striking out the top of the order to save it in the bottom of the 9th.

I have at least 8 more hours to be happy about this :D

TM

Taken from Cnet's review of the Onkyo NR1000 receiver:

"in order for the NR1000 to fulfill its potential, Onkyo has to live up to its part of the deal and design, build, and offer new boards at reasonable prices. Satellite radio, HD radio, and other boards that process the upcoming Dolby Digital Plus and DTS++ that will be part of the next generation, and Blu-ray and HD-DVD formats are in the works. Right now, Onkyo expects the combined XM and HD Radio module to be priced less than $300. More exciting, however, is that the company expects the modular design feature will trickle down to its more-affordable receivers over the next year or two."

R

Giddyup. Nice spot Raz. Hopefully there's truth to all of this (though I'm a Sirius guy myself...)

TM

Don't know if this was mentioned on this or the NR1000 thread, but AudioRevolution has a little write up on the IR DTR-10.5: http://www.avrev.com/equip/integradtr10_5/ .

Don't know if this was mentioned on this or the NR1000 thread, but AudioRevolution has a little write up on the IR DTR-10.5: http://www.avrev.com/equip/integradtr10_5/ .

Thanks for the info, it's interesting that at the end of the review they mention the cards' MSRP:

HDMI $300 (2) HDMI in, (1) out
iLINK $200 two (2) iLink inputs
Net-Tune $200 Net-Tune Ethernet in
Multichannel/AES input $150 (1) 7.1 multichannel in, (1) AES/EBU in
Dual 7.1 multichannel $200 (2) 7.1 analog multichannel inputs
RCA Component I/O $100 (1) additional RCA comp in and (1) out
BNC Component video $150 (1) BNC component in, and (1) out


R

It's strange how tough it was in the first place to get a definitive list of the MSRP on the cards. They're actually not that high are they? Is that HDMI card price lowered from $500 or am I remembering wrong?

TM

I'm thinking the same Tony and Raz. Those cards seem strangely low for MSRP. Shouldn't be any difference for Onkyo vs. Integra vs. Research card prices, should there?

Tony - we're back in first place, albeit it was ugly last night -- even in high def.

Shouldn't be any difference for Onkyo vs. Integra vs. Research card prices, should there?


No, it shouldn't. I also remember the HDMI card being $500 and not $300.

R

Some bad news - taken from the Onkyo 1000 thread:

"I spoke with Onkyo USA today about the 1.09 firmware upgrade. Onkyo has decided to pull all firmware updates from their US and overseas sites for the TX-NR1000. Apparently alot of folks in their words produced "$ 5000 aluminum bricks" because they did not follow the directions close enough to doing the updates from their computer. They then had to send the units back to Onkyo (my guess for a board or chip replacement similar to when you hose the firmware on a computer's motherboard.) They are also in the process of informing their authorized dealers to absolutely NOT provide the firmware to the end user for installation."

R

I'm thinking the same Tony and Raz. Those cards seem strangely low for MSRP. Shouldn't be any difference for Onkyo vs. Integra vs. Research card prices, should there?

Darn right, there should be a difference! Some difference in the components inside, while the module itself may be the same. And I'd expect some differences, therefore, in price.

The abovementioned units all sell for different prices because of quailty differences; why wouldn't that extend to the modules?

Darn right, there should be a difference! Some difference in the components inside, while the module itself may be the same. And I'd expect some differences, therefore, in price.

The abovementioned units all sell for different prices because of quailty differences; why wouldn't that extend to the modules?

In a way I hope there isn't since economy-of-scale will save us all $$$, and hopefully ensure there would be no delay in availability of unique and lower volume RDC-7.1 specific versions. Aside from features, I think the RDC-7.1 premium may be mostly in the DSPs, power supply and build quality.

In a way I hope there isn't since economy-of-scale will save us all $$$, and hopefully ensure there would be no delay in availability of unique and lower volume RDC-7.1 specific versions. Aside from features, I think the RDC-7.1 premium may be mostly in the DSPs, power supply and build quality.

Don't forget the Apogee clock.

R

For those just joining us... so I got the RDC-7.1 at the beginning of March and all was ok for the first month. I then started having problems with the center channel and volume control not working properly. After several more weeks my dealer advised me that I had to send it in for repair. I called IR and was given the name of a local repair shop. They had it several weeks and claimed they fixed it. They didn't. Spoke to IR again yesterday and requested a replacement. IR advised me to send a FAX to "ONKYO Customer Relations" with an explanation, sales receipt and repair receipt. They also said it takes seven days for them to respond. Stay tuned...

Customer Relations called me Friday (which was much quicker than the seven days which was quoted as the response time) regarding my FAX'd replacement request. The answer was a flat no, and send it to the regional repair center in Utah. I was told to expect to be without it for a minimum of four weeks. I requested that my situation be escalated to what turned out to be the "National Parts & Service Manager". Later Friday I got a call from what appeared to be second or higher tier support person to "understand my problem". It turned out that the call was really an attempt on their part to explain to me that there was nothing wrong with my unit and that it was supposed to work that way. It took me about an 30 minutes but eventually he admitted that it "may" not be working correctly, but of course he couldn't be sure since he wasn't there in my family room. Duh!

So the Customer Relations guy leaves me a voice mail today basically saying they want me to send it to NJ and if they can't fix it in a timely manner they will replace it.

Raz,
Good thing you have the upgrade to email to us ;)
Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if *some* dealers continue to email the updates...

TM

Ok,

I just received my new amp ( thanks to bkzoller, for the referral!), which is now sitting unused next to my new speakers, which have been sitting unused next to my new speaker cables, which are sitting unused next to my new XLR interconnects. It is time for me to buy a processor!

Does anybody know whether the new HDMI (1.2?) card will have four inputs? The current card is only 2 in/1 out, and not sufficient for my needs. This would be a deal breaker for me.

Is it possible with this unit, to watch a video source while listening to another audio source, that was not originally assigned to it? example: reading this forum with the video input from my computer, while listening to audio from the satellite receiver.

Is this sucker finally stable with the latest updates? Should I be deathly afraid of horror stories like poor gimp (good luck Buddy!), and the apparent lack of customer support/service? Or, would a good dealer (like Raz's) take care of any potential issues?

Thanks,

Evan

Is this sucker finally stable with the latest updates? Should I be deathly afraid of horror stories like poor gimp (good luck Buddy!), and the apparent lack of customer support/service? Or, would a good dealer (like Raz's) take care of any potential issues?


Evan,

I have the latest update - the RDC-7.1 is very stable, no problems at all with my unit. The dealer I bought mine from will take care of you if there's any problems with the unit, truly outstanding customer service.

R

Evan,

You can configure video input with different audio, such as cd if you wish. You have enough video selections you can configure one just for this if you wish, plus name it for processor display. My initial firmware was 1.03, and was stable. My current is 1.08, and it too has been stable. I have noticed sporadic audio dropout, but has been very infrequent. I have audio passing via firewire from the IR player. I have read the rumors of the new HDMI card having 4 inputs, but really have no definative info on that.

Regards,
Will

HDMI is at 1.1 now. 1.2 is rumored, but there is nothing concrete about it, not even a release date.

Should I be deathly afraid of horror stories like poor gimp (good luck Buddy!), and the apparent lack of customer support/service?

Based on my experience to date I could hardly recommend the RDC-7.1, or any Onkyo product. If I can get it fixed I'm sure I'd be more positive. I still believe the modular construction is a great concept, and the feature set is hard to beat as of this moment. On the other hand, to demonstrate the value of modularity, they will need to make timely releases of new cards and make required firmware updates available for end-user installation. If DTS-HD/DD+ and/or new card support requires sending in the unit, it nullifies the modularity value.

I suggest you take a very close look at the Anthem D1 successor, which hopefully will be available very soon (August?). It is not modular, however the rumored scaling capabilities may be of value to you. Also beware that it is rumored that it will not have firewire as originally promised. It will probably be another 1-2 years before you will be able to buy something with HDMI 1.2 and the hoped-for SACD support. On the other hand, it may not matter by then if SACD dies completely and DTS-HD and/or DD+ become the dominate hi-rez/multi-channel formats.

If you insist on getting a RDC-7.1, I strongly recommend buying from a local dealer and thoroughly understanding the exchange policy in the event of a malfunctioning unit.

And now, an update on my saga... so Onkyo sent me a box as promised via UPS 3-Day Select. It included a pre-paid return label, also UPS 3-Day Select as promised. So far, so good. The packing materials didn't fit and had to be modified (cut). It turns out that they are having me ship to "AllTech Electronics" in Fairfield NJ. I was very specifically misled on the phone to believe that I was sending the unit directly to Onkyo for special repair attention. AllTech Electronics isn't even listed on the web site as an authorized repair center so I have no idea what's going on.

Here's a good one... When I got it back from the first "repair" that wasn't the receipt said "Cleaned and lubed". I'm half surprised they didn't also rotate the feet!

It turns out that they are having me ship to "AllTech Electronics" in Fairfield NJ. I was very specifically misled on the phone to believe that I was sending the unit directly to Onkyo for special repair attention. AllTech Electronics isn't even listed on the web site as an authorized repair center so I have no idea what's going on.

Here's a good one... When I got it back from the first "repair" that wasn't the receipt said "Cleaned and lubed". I'm half surprised they didn't also rotate the feet!
Don't feel too bad. I just had to have my AVM-30 serviced, and as it turns out, it went to a place called AUDIOSTREAM out of Buffalo, New York. I too thought it was going directly to Anthem. They make it seem that way when you speak with them. The service went fine though, got it back in 20 days working perfectly.

Cleaned and Lubed....that cracked me up.:D

Don't feel too bad. I just had to have my AVM-30 serviced, and as it turns out, it went to a place called AUDIOSTREAM out of Buffalo, New York. I too thought it was going directly to Anthem. They make it seem that way when you speak with them.

My understanding is that Audiostream arranges for it to go across the border to Anthem. New product coming into the States from Anthem comes in through Audiostream as well. So it's not that you were duped. In fact, it made your life a lot simpler.

Hey gimp,

Actually, I have been impatiently waiting to buy a D1 since October. I was postponing my purchase, until the upgrades arrived. I am very tired of waiting. I really wanted to join Anthem, in no small part due to their outstanding customer service.

However, the lack of IEEE/1394 is a very real issue for me, and my ever increasing SACD collection. Also, I have concerns as to the upgradability of the D1 and its DSP's, to be able to handle the upcoming codecs. The IR 7.1 appears to be in a much better position in this regard, with its TI DSP's. They are apparently not only vastly more powerful, but have a much better chance of having new code written for them. Also, the vast resources of a Company as big as Onyko. (then again, look at the lip sync issue of the SP1000 :eek: )

The modular design is so much more flexible (but as you correctly stated, only if they have timely/appropriate updated cards to release). IF HDMI 1.2 is ever actually finalized, and IF the new codecs require it, we will be in a better position with the IR 7.1.

Also, with my upconverting universal player working so well, the upcoming high-definition players, and MPEG 4 coming soon, I'm not sure I really need a scaler in my processor. So for my purposes, the IR 7.1 is a much better value (but of course, only if it actually works)

My saving grace may be all the hard work Raz put into finding the right dealer, who happens to be geographically very close to me (thanks Raz!). I really hope that IR finally fixes your unit, and does it quickly. You truly deserve nothing less!

Will, thanks for the info on the audio/video inputs. Good idea, I didn't think about all the multiple inputs being able to be reassigned in any configuration.

Evan

My understanding is that Audiostream arranges for it to go across the border to Anthem. New product coming into the States from Anthem comes in through Audiostream as well. So it's not that you were duped. In fact, it made your life a lot simpler.
Well, I wasn't worried about being duped since I trust Anthem to do it however they want. Just as long as it was fixed.:)

How is it that Audiostream arranges for it to go across the border as opposed to just mailing it across? Thanks,

DoctorO,

I can find no evidence whatsoever that the unit ever went to Canada. The UPS tracking #'s, and the return Fedex tracking numbers, all keep the unit in the states. There is an eight day window there but there is nothing on the box indicating it went anywhere else. I suppose the could have driven it across to Canada...

Also, I said Buffalo, NY, but to be specific, it is Cheektowaga, NY.

It does appear to have come from Audiostream originally as you say though.

I was actually wondering what Audio Stream was myself. After three long months of waiting to get my brand new Paradigm Signature C5 exchanged (the finish had serious blemishes on, and did not even come close to matching the finish on the two S8's it came with), I was finally put in touch with a very nice gentleman at a place called Paradigm/Audio Stream. I was curious what the heck Audio Stream had to do with paradigm.

I am hoping that after three months this issue will finally be resolved soon. Just goes to show, even a well respected conglomerate like paradigm/Anthem, can let the ball drop. These issues and difficulties that are not the fault of the consumer, really detract from the pleasure of this hobby.

Evan

Evan,

It's funny the stuff you find out AFTER a problem, huh?:D

I'd never heard of AudioStream before this.

Hope you get that speaker situation solved. Too bad you can't e-mail Nick and have him give them a prod. Actually, you might just give that a try. Tell him you hang out here, have heard about their ability to get things taken care of, and tell him about your situation. He might just be able to make a call and get some movement.

Thanks Chris,

I believe the individual I spoke with at Paradigm/Audio Stream (Les) is committed to resolving this situation. Then again, I could be in complete denial. I am after all, actually about to purchase an Onkyo product :p !

Evan

Evan,

With those Sig speakers, anything you buy is gonna sound good I think.;)

So you're about ready to buy the RDC-7.1?

Actually, I'm worried that The Sig's are so revealing, that I better get something really good to go with them. I'm really going to be kinda sorry to not go with Anthem after all this time. However, other than the potential issue of bad customer service, I objectively think the 7.1 is the way to go at this point in time, especially with all the impending variables were all about to be faced with. I believe I will place an order for one in the next week or so (just have to get my nerve up!).

Evan

My saving grace may be all the hard work Raz put into finding the right dealer, who happens to be geographically very close to me (thanks Raz!).


Evan,

The dealer is really wonderful, he's going to take care of you, don't worry about that at all. He exchanged 3 units for me and he was ready to exchange some more if needed. Really nice guys.

R

Based on my experience to date I could hardly recommend the RDC-7.1, or any Onkyo product.


Anthem products aren't very reliable either. My first D1 had a lot of problems and Anthem replaced it. I sold my second D1 and 6 months later the buyer e-mailed me to tell me that smoke was coming out of the D1 I sold him - apparently some capacitors went bad.

R

Actually, I'm worried that The Sig's are so revealing, that I better get something really good to go with them.


I have Klipsch RF-7's - even more revealing than the Sig's - and the Klipsch/Integra Research combo sounds great to me.

Before the Klipsch I had B&W's - the 700 series - and the D1/ B&W combo was too bright.

R

Also, the latest hubub on the D1 upgrade is that work on the built in scaler (which I admit will make the unit quite interesting if it works as it's rumored to) is pushing the upgrade (which will also include hdmi switching) back even further - into the fall if not xmas. All rumor of course. ALso rumored is that they may even call it something other than a D1, i.e. more of a new/replacement unit.

Also, re the newer hdmi switching board for the IR, my guess/hope is that we'll hear something official at CEDIA in September. My guess too is that ANthem will announce a 'firm' date for the upgrade or replacement unit.

TM

UK Press reported in March to expect the new HDMI and new radio modules (DAB for UK, Others for USA) about CEDIA time, lets hope they are announced then.

Im just loading up version 1.09 firmware, its the first one Ive seen that upgrades the I-Link firmwares as well as main firmware.

DoctorO,

I can find no evidence whatsoever that the unit ever went to Canada. The UPS tracking #'s, and the return Fedex tracking numbers, all keep the unit in the states. There is an eight day window there but there is nothing on the box indicating it went anywhere else. I suppose the could have driven it across to Canada...

Also, I said Buffalo, NY, but to be specific, it is Cheektowaga, NY.

It does appear to have come from Audiostream originally as you say though.

Perhaps it was "rendered" to Canada and back. :)

Krobar,
Yeah if CEDIA comes and goes with no official word (and a ship date!) that will be truly disappointing. I'd hate to have to wait until CES in January.
TM

FYI: someone is selling a loaded mint RDC-7.1 on Audiogon.

R

Very interesting reponse from Onkyo Europe on new modules:
"Unfortunately at the moment we have no info about this."
"We hope after the IFA in Berlin we have more information."

The IFA show runs for the most of this week.

"We hope after the IFA in Berlin we have more information."

The IFA show runs for the most of this week.

The IFA is apparently September 2-7, not August.

http://www.eventseye.com/fairs/trade_fair_event_3553.html

Brian

:confused: Ive really gotta work on knowing what month it is. :eek:

UPS tracking indicated that my RDC-7.1 was delivered to AllTech Electronics in NJ last Friday so I decided to give them a call Monday morning to check that it arrived OK. I got a recorded message stating that they were moving and closed until Aug 5, and weren't accepting or returning calls. That's particularly interesting because ONKYO promised me that if "they" couldn't fix it in five business days I would be given a replacement. So I immediately called the ONKYO service relations guy and left vmail. Hadn't heard anything by Tuesday afternoon so I faxed a letter to the ONKYO National Parts and Service Manager in NJ. The last sentence read "Since obviously it cannot be repaired in five days, is Onkyo keeping its promise and sending me a replacement unit?".

I got a call from the ONKYO service relations guy this morning informing me that it was shipped to the "wrong location" and that I would be receiving a new unit in two business days from California. Woo hoo!

UPS tracking indicated that my RDC-7.1 was delivered to AllTech Electronics in NJ last Friday so I decided to give them a call Monday morning to check that it arrived OK. I got a recorded message stating that they were moving and closed until Aug 5, and weren't accepting or returning calls. That's particularly interesting because ONKYO promised me that if "they" couldn't fix it in five business days I would be given a replacement. So I immediately called the ONKYO service relations guy and left vmail. Hadn't heard anything by Tuesday afternoon so I faxed a letter to the ONKYO National Parts and Service Manager in NJ. The last sentence read "Since obviously it cannot be repaired in five days, is Onkyo keeping its promise and sending me a replacement unit?".

I got a call from the ONKYO service relations guy this morning informing me that it was shipped to the "wrong location" and that I would be receiving a new unit in two business days from California. Woo hoo!

The squeaky wheel gets . . a new unit? :D

Hey good for you gimp - congrats! Hope the new one works great.

Re: the German show, that looks awfully alot like the CEDIA dates. That makes me more optimistic that something will be announced.

TM

Hello!
I own a RDC-7 and I have a problem with it!
If I disconnect the powercord, all the settings exept character input´s goes back to factory defult!
I always have it in standby mode...
Any idé???
Thanks
Mathias

Attempt a full reset by Holding down the "Video 1" input button and pressing the stanby button. This will clear the unit. If its still a problem then check the firmware revision, if its at least 1.03 then its likely a faulty unit and you should contact your reseller.

Attempt a full reset by Holding down the "Video 1" input button and pressing the stanby button. This will clear the unit. If its still a problem then check the firmware revision, if its at least 1.03 then its likely a faulty unit and you should contact your reseller.

Though I've never had even a hiccup with my RDC-7, that's a handy piece of information to have around. Thanks.

With all the hoo-hah about firmware revisions for the RDC-7.!, I've been wondering about the RDC-7 firmware and whether there have there been recent upgrades? (And how do I check my version?)

Attempt a full reset by Holding down the "Video 1" input button and pressing the stanby button. This will clear the unit. If its still a problem then check the firmware revision, if its at least 1.03 then its likely a faulty unit and you should contact your reseller.

The version is 3.09.0011 is this the latest version for RDC-7???

Sorry I thought you were talking about an RDC-7.1, the firmware version you have is just a date backwards making it a September 2003 firmware, probably quite recent for the RDC-7, im not sure if the reset thing works with the older RDC-7.

Well, after 10 long months of deliberation, hesitation and procrastination, I finally ordered a processor! The 7.1 is truly a magnificent sight to behold in person. An enormous hunk of metal sculpture. I went with the AM/FM, HDMI and 7.1 analog cards. It should be ready in about a week.

Thank you again Raz for the referral to this dealer. What a character! He is indeed very knowledgeable, and incredibly well connected in this industry(especially to Integra Research north America). He stated that HDMI is just being released with the new chip set. He did not believe we would see it implemented in any products until early next year. He felt that Integra Research released this beast a little bit too early (like every other manufacturer on the freak'n planet), and that is why they were so many issues. He stated that the design, hardware and manufacturing are simply as good as it gets. He has found the latest firmware version to be rock solid, so hopefully no worries.

I was surprised to hear that he was not fond of IEEE/1394, and recommended I go analog. He felt that if I did use 1394, it was important to use the same manufacturer for both transport and processor, because different manufacturers implement FireWire differently. I will soon be in the fortunate position to A/B them against each other, and see which I prefer.

Like many others here I will be using the 7.1 with an ATI 2000 series (fully balanced) amp. I can hardly wait!!!

Evan

Evan,

Congrats. I too used Raz's dealer and also have an ATI 2007. I love the RDC 7.1, it seems to have a lot more horsepower under the hood than did my AVM 20. While the remote does feel well built and like a quality component, it and the manual are just painful.

ArtV

Congrats Evan.:)

You've been waiting a long time. Time to make those Sigs sing. I want a review.;)

Well, after 10 long months of deliberation, hesitation and procrastination, I finally ordered a processor! The 7.1 is truly a magnificent sight to behold in person. An enormous hunk of metal sculpture. I went with the AM/FM, HDMI and 7.1 analog cards. It should be ready in about a week.


Congrats on the purchase! :) I'm curious that you didn't mention the C-VIDEO module, which is the one with S-video, composite and component. My understanding was that you needed that for the HDMI module to work. Actually, the dealer you are using thought that C-VIDEO was included in the base unit, now that I think about it. I had to revise my order to get that one added. C-VIDEO is apparently in the base unit of the Integra receiver, which he also sells.

It sounds like you had a similar IEEE1394 discussion with him that I did. :) I don't have a DVD player with that capability yet, but I think Krobar is using IEEE1394 on a Pioneer player over to the IR with success.

Brian

Thank you again Raz for the referral to this dealer.


My pleasure! Enjoy the RDC-7.1, it's a great processor!

R

My understanding was that you needed that for the HDMI module to work.


Yes, I also think that you need the video module for the HDMI module to work.

R

I went with the AM/FM, HDMI and 7.1 analog cards.


Evan,

Why did you order the HDMI module? It's 2x1 and doesn't do audio, better wait for the new 4x1 HDMI module.

R

Thank you one and all, for the congratulations. Although I am still confident in my purchase, I am now a bit confused in the configuration. I had originally intended on not ordering the HDMI module, because I was under the assumption that the new one was soon coming. The current version is indeed only 2/1 and not sufficient for my needs. However, the dealer felt the new one would not be out until next year , so I figured what the heck, why wait. I also was not aware, that I needed to order the C- video module with it. I guess I need to call tomorrow and double check the order with the dealer.

Raz, I'm not sure if it isn't already too late to change the order, but if you believe the new version of the HDMI module is coming sometime this year, I would prefer to cancel that module, and wait for the new one. If you believe this is the prudent move, then do I still need, and should I still order the C-video module?

Also, if I am going to be utilizing IEEE/1394 (until HDMI 1.2 finally appears), am I just wasting my money for the for the MULTI (7.1 analog) module?

Oh my, I guess I needed to be a bit more clear before I actually placed the order. I was just so darn impressed with the beast, that I went ahead and pulled the trigger half cocked. Either way it works out I guess I'm still in for sonic nirvana.

Thanks again for the good wishes guys,

Evan

You made the right call, have no regrets. I bet you'll use all the cards.

ArtV

Thanks ArtV, I am looking forward to personally hearing the 7.1 / ATI 2007 synergy myself soon! I am glad to hear you are enjoying this combo yourself.

Evan

Raz, I'm not sure if it isn't already too late to change the order, but if you believe the new version of the HDMI module is coming sometime this year, I would prefer to cancel that module, and wait for the new one. If you believe this is the prudent move, then do I still need, and should I still order the C-video module?


Evan,

I have no idea when the new HDMI module will be available... Do you really need the 2x1 HDMI module? I have it and have never used it.

I don't know if you will need the C-video module for the new HDMI card to work, as far as I know the present HDMI card only works if the C-video module is also installed.

R

Raz,
no, I guess I do not really presently need the HDMI module. I have been getting by with a 4 to 1 DVI external swithcer (geffen) for my three input sources, and my DLP monitor that only has one DVI input. I could certainly continue with this set up and wait for the new HDMI module to come out. Perhaps, this is what I should have done.

Thanks for getting back to me with the info.

Evan

Also, if I am going to be utilizing IEEE/1394 (until HDMI 1.2 finally appears), am I just wasting my money for the for the MULTI (7.1 analog) module?


I myself did get the dual 7.1 analog module, in fact it was first on my list of modules that I wanted. Maybe later you'll get a universal player that sounds better than the RDC-7.1 and you might want to use the 7.1 analog inputs for multichannel stuff. Or maybe it will take IR a long time to upgrade the RDC-7.1 to the new DTS and DD formats and you could use the 7.1 analog inputs for that. It's good to have the dual 7.1 module, just in case.

Good that you ordered the AM/FM tuner module, it's pretty nice.

R

I was just so darn impressed with the beast, that I went ahead and pulled the trigger half cocked.

I know exactly what you're talking about. The moment I saw and heard the RDC-7.1 I knew I had to get rid of my Anthem D1 and get the IR piece instead. Impressive build quality, other processors look like toys when compared to the RDC-7.1.

R

Good points on the 7.1 multi analogue module. I believe you are right Raz, its a good card to have. At least that is one thing settled in my tortured overburdened mind. Ah, decisions, decisions...

Evan

While the remote does feel well built and like a quality component, it and the manual are just painful.


The remote sucks indeed. I use the great MX-850 universal remote instead.

R

Congrats Evan,

With the latest firmware (With I-Link update) I can at last say the Pioneer DVD player work very well, the only thing missing would be the automatic switch to input when play is pressed type feature. Otherwise the DV-59AVI makes a very nice and particuarly good value digital transport for the RDC-7.1.

Thanks Krobar for letting me know about the 59AVI / 7.1 combo working well together. This was actually my original plan. I was hesitant to consider the Onkyo/Integra players due to the potential lipsync issue that has apparently not yet been resolved. And of course, you are right that the 59AVI is a much better value.

Evan

Evan,
Congratz on your purchase. I am looking forward to listening to your combo when it is set up. My dealer will be installing the rear JM Labs this week so we will have to get together soon.

Raz,
no, I guess I do not really presently need the HDMI module. I have been getting by with a 4 to 1 DVI external swithcer (geffen) for my three input sources, and my DLP monitor that only has one DVI input. I could certainly continue with this set up and wait for the new HDMI module to come out. Perhaps, this is what I should have done.

Thanks for getting back to me with the info.

Evan

I was surprised that you ordered the HDMI after saying in the ATI thread that you were not ordering any modules. I am using a Zektor 5x1 DVI switch instead of the HDMI module until IR releases a new version of it. The dual 7.1 analog module and the i.Link module should be enough for your multichannel audio needs until then. The analog module is relatively inexpensive, anyway, so it's no big deal to me if it turns out I won't need it.

Brian

Jeff,

We will definitely have to get together real soon and hear each others new systems. It will be much fun.

Brian,

I just called to change my order, and not go with the HDMI card for now. But, they are not in today, so I may end up having to eat it anyway. Oh well, I still got a great deal.

Evan

I was surprised to hear that he was not fond of IEEE/1394, and recommended I go analog. He felt that if I did use 1394, it was important to use the same manufacturer for both transport and processor, because different manufacturers implement FireWire differently.

Is there anyone who has an unresolved problem with using the RDC-7.1 i.LINK? I use(d) i.LINK as the sole audio connection with my Denon DVD-3910 and haven't had any problems. In fact, I discovered by accident that I was able to use the RDC-7.1 remote to control the 3910 via i.LINK!

Is there anyone who has an unresolved problem with using the RDC-7.1 i.LINK? I use(d) i.LINK as the sole audio connection with my Denon DVD-3910 and haven't had any problems. In fact, I discovered by accident that I was able to use the RDC-7.1 remote to control the 3910 via i.LINK!

How do you control it via I-Link?

How do you control it via I-Link?

I still haven't received my replacement RDC-7.1 (so much for getting it in the promised "two business-days"), but as best as I can recall I assigned the i.LINK input to the "DVD" input source. When the remote is in "INPUT"-mode (non-"AMP" mode) and used to select the "DVD" input source, the transport controls on the RDC-7.1 remote operate my Denon DVD-3910. The remote has all of its default settings and has not been programmed in any way. The RDC-7.1 must be sending transport control commands via i.LINK to the DVD-3910.

How about someone else out there try this with their i.LINK connected DVD player and let us know your results. It would be good to know if someone with a 3910 can reproduce this as well.

I still haven't received my replacement RDC-7.1 (so much for getting it in the promised "two business-days"), but as best as I can recall I assigned the i.LINK input to the "DVD" input source. When the remote is in "INPUT"-mode (non-"AMP" mode) and used to select the "DVD" input source, the transport controls on the RDC-7.1 remote operate my Denon DVD-3910. The remote has all of its default settings and has not been programmed in any way. The RDC-7.1 must be sending transport control commands via i.LINK to the DVD-3910.

How about someone else out there try this with their i.LINK connected DVD player and let us know your results. It would be good to know if someone with a 3910 can reproduce this as well.

You might want to visit the 3910 owners thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=447795) and try posting there.

Has anyone here noticed that the RDC-7.1 is pretty warm in standby mode? My unit is hot when it's on and warm when it's in standby. I'm unsure what the unit has on but this is the first pre-pro/receiver that has exhibited heat in standby for me.

Has anyone here noticed that the RDC-7.1 is pretty warm in standby mode?

Mine isn't warm in standby mode.

R

Just reading this thread and am interested in upgrading from my Integra dtc-9.4 to the RDC-7.1. The only problem is that there are no IR dealers within 100 miles of me and I know there are no internet dealers. Can anyone PM me with a suggestion? Thank you.

Just reading this thread and am interested in upgrading from my Integra dtc-9.4 to the RDC-7.1. The only problem is that there are no IR dealers within 100 miles of me and I know there are no internet dealers. Can anyone PM me with a suggestion? Thank you.

Check your PM.

R

Jason just got a referral......

ArtV

Just reading this thread and am interested in upgrading from my Integra dtc-9.4 to the RDC-7.1. The only problem is that there are no IR dealers within 100 miles of me and I know there are no internet dealers. Can anyone PM me with a suggestion? Thank you.

Based on my experience, I'd strongly advise asking the following questions:
1) What is the exchange period for a defective unit and how many exchanges are permitted during this period? [Keep in mind that Raz had to do multiple exchanges and my dealer referred me to ONYKO for warranty repair.]
2) If I experience a problem during the exchange period, who pays for shipping of the replacement and shipping of the returned unit?
3) Must a unit be returned prior to its replacement being shipped? [If you must return the defective unit first, you'll be without anything for weeks, which is exactly the situation I'm in currently.]
4) How do I get firmware updates? [ONKYO has pulled the firmware from their site and we have only rumor and speculation as to when or if they will allow downloads in the future. However, AVSForum members have been incredibly generous in helping others like me get firmware.]

Even if you have an authorized repair center in your area, they aren't likely to have the competence to repair such a sophisticated piece of equipment.

4) How do I get firmware updates? [ONKYO has pulled the firmware from their site and we have only rumor and speculation as to when or if they will allow downloads in the future. However, AVSForum members have been incredibly generous in helping others like me get firmware.]


AVS members shouldn't worry about that, I'll get the updates from my dealer and e-mail them to all the RDC-7.1 owners who want them.

R

I picked up my Integra Research 7.1 today, and I can't believe how incredibly heavy the thing is. I was amazed to see just how beautifully built this beast is, when I took it out of the box. It's a giant piece of jewelry, just incredible. I got so darn excited that I ordered an Onkyo SP1000 to go with it (wish me luck with the lip sync issue). I am still waiting on my center channel speaker, so I've yet to hear how it all sounds. However, if my speaker isn't here by the time the Onkyo player arrives next week, I'll probably just hook it up in two channel temporarily.

The dealer mentioned that there is apparently a trade-in program already in progress. I'm afraid I didn't get much specific information in regards to this issue, but for those with a IR 7, you might want to ask your dealer about this. He did say they are offering fair market value for the trade-in.

Evan

The dealer mentioned that there is apparently a trade-in program already in progress. I'm afraid I didn't get much specific information in regards to this issue, but for those with a IR 7, you might want to ask your dealer about this. He did say they are offering fair market value for the trade-in.

Evan

I'm pretty sure that there's no trade-in program "in place" yet. I've been told that O/I/IR is working on one, but has not finalized it. Anybody else hear about one?

FWIW, I was also told that we may see the Firewire upgrade "in the 3rd qtr."

He did say they are offering fair market value for the trade-in.


Used RDC-7's are selling for ~$1800.

R

That's more than I can get for my AVM 20.......

ArtV

There is just no end to this nightmare...

When we last left this sad story I had just been given the wonderful news that I would be receiving a replacement in not more than two business days. In that same conversation I expressed concern that it be properly configured with the correct optional modules. ONKYO said "it will have all of the modules". Four business days later I FAX ONKYO asking "where's the replacement?". ONKYO calls the next day and says "we'll look into it". The next day I get a call from FedEX saying they can't find my address. Turns out that ONKYO shipped to the wrong/non-existent address.

So FedEX delivers it yesterday and... NO OPTIONAL MODULES!

Used RDC-7's are selling for ~$1800.

R

If that's the trade allowance, I will have my RDC-7 for a LONG time; it's worth much more than that, at least it is to me.

it's worth much more than that

Not really: I've been checking the Audiogon selling prices, a few RDC-7's sold for less than $1800. The truth is that the RDC-7 is a dated processor.

R

Not really: I've been checking the Audiogon selling prices, a few RDC-7's sold for less than $1800. The truth is that the RDC-7 is a dated processor.

R

Ya lifted it out of context, Raz. It's worth more than that TO ME. And really, "dated" is relative; it's dated only to those who regularly upgrade to stay on the edge.

Which DVD players are you guys using? The Yamaha DVD-S2500 that I have is driving me nuts. Any luck with the Pioneer DVD Ai Elite units? I know it is best to go with the Onkyo line, but they start at $2000; with HD-DVD a few months away, I don't think they are worth it.

Regards,
Chris

Which DVD players are you guys using? The Yamaha DVD-S2500 that I have is driving me nuts. Any luck with the Pioneer DVD Ai Elite units? I know it is best to go with the Onkyo line, but they start at $2000; with HD-DVD a few months away, I don't think they are worth it.

Regards,
Chris

FWIW, I'm using a Denon 3910. Also, FWIW, IMHO, while the next hi-def optical format may be near, it will be a lot longer before the new players extract the level of performance that the present high end decks get out of our standard definition DVDs. I'm expecting to be playing DVDs for a long time as the studios will maneuver to extract maximum revenue from their catalog, which means they will toss out a few nuggets along with slugs initially, and dribble the ones we really want out over time.

Cynically realistic,

Jeff

Im using a Pioneer DV-868AVI (Euro 59AVI):
1) No pops or sound break up or synch issues (Latest Integra firmware solved the last small issue)
2) Surprisingly the Integra can control basic DVD functions throught the I-Link cable
3) Pioneer stuff like PQLS and their variety of input switching does not enable with the Integra

Overall very nice combo since the Pioneer is quite cheap but has no Sound Quality or serious usablilty issues when used with the Integra.

Which DVD players are you guys using? The Yamaha DVD-S2500 that I have is driving me nuts. Any luck with the Pioneer DVD Ai Elite units? I know it is best to go with the Onkyo line, but they start at $2000; with HD-DVD a few months away, I don't think they are worth it.

Regards,
Chris

I have a Denon DVD-3910 connected via i.LINK. I had to send it in to get it fixed so it would pass blacker-than-black (known problem). With my replacement RDC-7.1 I've noticed an occasional (1-2 per disc) audio drop-out with high-resolution discs like 96/24 DADs, SACDs and DualDiscs, but don't know if it is the 3910 or the RDC-7.1. Other than that, I am happy with it.

Why would it be best to go with Onkyo? As I have previously noted, when using i.LINK you can perform basic DVD transport control functions using the RDC-7.1 remote. The only other capability you'd get with Onkyo is OSD screen of the RDC-7.1. The Denon is widely regarded as better than Onkyo.

The HD-DVD rollout is getting scaled back (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=568288). There is no truce in the HD-DVD/BD format war. It will be at least one to two years before unified/universal HD format players are available.

2) Surprisingly the Integra can control basic DVD functions throught the I-Link cable

Same here, except the PAUSE doesn't work. Does your RDC-7.1 PAUSE button work?

The HD-DVD rollout is getting scaled back (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=568288). There is no truce in the HD-DVD/BD format war. It will be at least one to two years before unified/universal HD format players are available.

Right-o! And it's my bet that at least the first generation of those players will not perform on standard def DVDs as good as our present high end DVD players do.

I'm pretty sure that there's no trade-in program "in place" yet. I've been told that O/I/IR is working on one, but has not finalized it. Anybody else hear about one?

FWIW, I was also told that we may see the Firewire upgrade "in the 3rd qtr."

I got the upgrade email today, trade in is $1800 for RDC 7, $2000 if you got the THX2 upgrade. New price is $4,000 less the trade in, but there is a $250 charge if you want any modules, which seem to be required for video..... but it is something.

I got the upgrade email today, trade in is $1800 for RDC 7, $2000 if you got the THX2 upgrade. New price is $4,000 less the trade in, but there is a $250 charge if you want any modules, which seem to be required for video..... but it is something.

Great news, bravo Integra Research!!! $2000 is fair, RDC-7's with the THX Ultra 2 upgrade sell for $1800 or less on Audiogon. So a base unit would cost $2000. Is the $250 charge per module i.e if you wanted 3 modules they would cost $750?

R

Great news, bravo Integra Research!!! $2000 is fair, RDC-7's with the THX Ultra 2 upgrade sell for $1800 or less on Audiogon. So a base unit would cost $2000. Is the $250 charge per module i.e if you wanted 3 modules they would cost $750?

R

<whistling>Not that I'm interested in an RDC-7.1 or anything</whistling>, but that's a good question.

Any other trade in info?

R

Who at IR can confirm this offer via email? I don't seem to have any contacts left there.

Who at IR can confirm this offer via email? I don't seem to have any contacts left there.

Jose! Are you "listening?"

edit: I've emailed and will post any replies.

WOWWOWWOWWOWWOW. I have to admit. Even though I sucked it up and bought a 7.1, I had pretty much given up on IR being a customer friendly/responsive company. I was wrong. 100% WRONG! And couldn't be happier - for all of us, that I was. Thank you IR for doing the right thing. I will not forget it personally. I will be upgrading my (old) 7 to (another) 7.1 as soon as full details emerge. Anyone else with hard info here?

Thanks!
TM

And so TM, we finally have an answer to the question you posted, when you first opened up this thread, so long ago. Even though we now have an answer to this question, I for one, vote we keep this thread open anyway ;) (especially since I have not even had a chance to hook mine up yet!). Congratulations to all you owners of a IR 7.

I have a Denon DVD-3910 connected via i.LINK. I had to send it in to get it fixed so it would pass blacker-than-black (known problem). With my replacement RDC-7.1 I've noticed an occasional (1-2 per disc) audio drop-out with high-resolution discs like 96/24 DADs, SACDs and DualDiscs, but don't know if it is the 3910 or the RDC-7.1. Other than that, I am happy with it.

Why would it be best to go with Onkyo? As I have previously noted, when using i.LINK you can perform basic DVD transport control functions using the RDC-7.1 remote. The only other capability you'd get with Onkyo is OSD screen of the RDC-7.1. The Denon is widely regarded as better than Onkyo.

The HD-DVD rollout is getting scaled back (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=568288). There is no truce in the HD-DVD/BD format war. It will be at least one to two years before unified/universal HD format players are available.

I used to get the skips once or twice a movie but they seem to have been fixed by firmware 1.09, looks like it was an Integra problem that was fixed by I-Link firmware update. My setup is the baseline Integra with Pioneer 59AVI and Lumagen HDP and it works very nicely.

Pause does not work for me either, AFAIK track skip, fast forward and reverse, play and stop are the only controls that work through I-Link.

While on the subject of I-Link I would like to see clock synch implemented by Onkyo (Sony HATS / Pioneer PQLS), its an open standard and might improve PCM sound quality slightly.

Congrats to RDC-7 owners :)

And so TM, we finally have an answer to the question you posted, when you first opened up this thread, so long ago. Even though we now have an answer to this question, I for one, vote we keep this thread open anyway ;) (especially since I have not even had a chance to hook mine up yet!). Congratulations to all you owners of a IR 7.

I bought my RDC-7 for $3300 just after the 7.1 was announced - about a year and a half ago. It meets 98% of my hardware needs and way exceeds my sonic needs. AS such, I am on the fence on whether I'm going to drop another $2k so soon.

And so TM, we finally have an answer to the question you posted, when you first opened up this thread, so long ago. Even though we now have an answer to this question, I for one, vote we keep this thread open anyway ;) (especially since I have not even had a chance to hook mine up yet!). Congratulations to all you owners of a IR 7.

This isn't even the first thread on this forum discussing a possible trade-in or upgrade announcement for the IR RDC-7. :p :D There was another one about 18 months ago, but I think that one is no longer open. ;)

Let us know when you get yours hooked up. :)

Brian

Does anyone know how I can contact IR regarding the upgrade?

I've not received any email yet from them.

Thanks.

Does anyone know how I can contact IR regarding the upgrade?

I've not received any email yet from them.

Thanks.

Good question. My contact has not replied to my email. As reliable as he's been in the past, perhaps he's on vacation.

Good question. My contact has not replied to my email. As reliable as he's been in the past, perhaps he's on vacation.

I called Integra Research at 1-800-225-1946 and was told that "there is no upgrade offer right now".

R

Check this out:

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10282

R

Thanks Raz.

I just got through to them and after a little wait while the guy went off to check if there was an upgrade....

I was told to call back early next week, and they will have details about the upgrade offer, and can tell me how to take part!

I called Integra Research at 1-800-225-1946 and was told that "there is no upgrade offer right now".

R

Umm, yeah, Jose promised to let me know when they finalized the offer. And that was only a few weks ago. I found it strange that an offer was being made w/o hearing from the one person at O/I/IR that has shown to be on top of things.

However, how do we reconcile those that say they've received an offer with your call that said there was none?

Check this out:

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10282

R

Sooo, I haven't received trade-in news because I haven't threatened a class action suit??????

Sooo, I haven't received trade-in news because I haven't threatened a class action suit??????

You're probably correct about that. Maybe they offered him the upgrade to shut him up?

R

This is...interesting. Hopefully this is not just a bunch of misinformation...

TM

You're probably correct about that. Maybe they offered him the upgrade to shut him up?

R

I'll have my cousin Vinnie contact them.

Instead of Jose I think that you should contact Eric Harper, according to www.gspr.com he's one of the big guys at IR.

R

Instead of Jose I think that you should contact Eric Harper, according to www.gspr.com he's one of the big guys at IR.

R

In a variation on a theme, it seems like the forefinger does not know what the middle finger is doing at this company. :rolleyes:

I emailed Eric Harper yesterday, but have not yet heard from him.

Finally got a call today regarding my 8/12 & 8/15 FAXes requesting them to FedEx overnight my missing modules. It turns out the big "O" sent them Monday FedEx Ground TO THE WRONG ADDRESS AGAIN! Geesh, this company is just too much :(

Is anyone experiencing drop-outs on hi-rez disks using i.LINK?

Good luck on those RDC-7 upgrades!

Finally got a call today regarding my 8/12 & 8/15 FAXes requesting them to FedEx overnight my missing modules. It turns out the big "O" sent them Monday FedEx Ground TO THE WRONG ADDRESS AGAIN! Geesh, this company is just too much :(

Is anyone experiencing drop-outs on hi-rez disks using i.LINK?

Good luck on those RDC-7 upgrades!

Umm, yeah, and posts like yours really make me want to upgrade. :rolleyes:

Sorry for hijacking your thread but where do you buy these things anyway.

I live in north dallas and had to drive one hour to get to the closest dealer. I inquired about the RDC 7.1 and asked if they could give me a demo. I was told they don't have a demo room but could get a sales man to call me if I wanted to buy one.

Can someone explain why I should pay a premium going to the closest dealer when I can't listen to it anyway. The Gasoline probably cost me more then shipping this thing cross country. Not to mention the tax if I bought it over the internet from out of state.

///CF

Gimp, is your unit using 1.09 firmware? (This fixes a fair few I-Link probs like drop outs)

Sorry for hijacking your thread but where do you buy these things anyway.

I live in north dallas and had to drive one hour to get to the closest dealer. I inquired about the RDC 7.1 and asked if they could give me a demo. I was told they don't have a demo room but could get a sales man to call me if I wanted to buy one.

Can someone explain why I should pay a premium going to the closest dealer when I can't listen to it anyway. The Gasoline probably cost me more then shipping this thing cross country. Not to mention the tax if I bought it over the internet from out of state.

///CF

No problem at all; you haven't hijacked it. You're right, it *is* lame for a dealer selling mid-high end gear not to have a demo room. He77, even Rat Shacks somethimes have dedicated A/V rooms. Many manufacturers limit their dealer network and restrict them from shipping into another dealer's territory, but you may be able to get someone on this forum to PM you a dealer who can accommodate you.

CFSM: PM sent.

Carlton - could I get a PM also?

Thanks.

Sorry for hijacking your thread but where do you buy these things anyway.

I live in north dallas and had to drive one hour to get to the closest dealer. I inquired about the RDC 7.1 and asked if they could give me a demo. I was told they don't have a demo room but could get a sales man to call me if I wanted to buy one.

Can someone explain why I should pay a premium going to the closest dealer when I can't listen to it anyway. The Gasoline probably cost me more then shipping this thing cross country. Not to mention the tax if I bought it over the internet from out of state.

///CF

I regret buying from an out of state authorized dealer. Check out this post http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=6007454&&#post6007454.

P.S. Still no modules...

Gimp, is your unit using 1.09 firmware? (This fixes a fair few I-Link probs like drop outs)

Yes, 1.09.

Eric Harper is the Man who plans the product roadmap at Integra/IR (among other duties, 'natch). He creates his wish list of new products and features for the next product cycle(s) and then nudges the engineers and others back in Japan so they will hopefully come through!

Eric

I hope the upgrade offer is true. I just ordered an SP-1000 which will come next week. I was looking at the RDC-7.1 on the IR site, and decided to do a search and found this thread! I was wondering how much different it will be from my upgraded RDC-7? It would be nice to use the iLink for the SACD. I will try contacting IR for more info.

Jeff

I hope the upgrade offer is true. I just ordered an SP-1000 which will come next week. I was looking at the RDC-7.1 on the IR site, and decided to do a search and found this thread! I was wondering how much different it will be from my upgraded RDC-7? It would be nice to use the iLink for the SACD. I will try contacting IR for more info.

Jeff

Feature-wise, it adds the newest DPL processing (IIx), the ability to switch HDMI (they skipped over DVI completely though one can use DVI/HDMI cables), customizable input configurations and higher-grade DACs. It "loses" the AC-3 RF input. Hopefully, some of those who've owned both will chime in with a comparison of the sound of the two models.

The AC3 loss almost caused me to go Pioneer :)

Feature-wise, it adds the newest DPL processing (IIx), the ability to switch HDMI (they skipped over DVI completely though one can use DVI/HDMI cables), customizable input configurations and higher-grade DACs. It "loses" the AC-3 RF input. Hopefully, some of those who've owned both will chime in with a comparison of the sound of the two models.

The RDC-7.1 also has a much improved bass management. I've owned both and think that the RDC-7.1 is much better both featurewise and soundwise.

R

Thanks. It "sounds" great. I e-mailed IR today and just received a reply. They said to call them back after the 22nd, and they should have the upgrade available.

Wow. They actually replied to an email! :) Glad to see they check the account :D Seriously though, I can't wait to hear it officially. Not that I don't believe you guys but you know what I mean.

TM