Integra Research RDC-7 => 7.1 upgrade/trade-in announcement? [Text View] - Page 6

gimp

08-23-05, 06:31 PM

That's good news Marty, I'm glad to hear they're easy to install. I noticed I do not have the submenus (under Input Menu) for the modules I don't currently have. Do the modules themselves install their own submenus when you put them in the 7.1? My dealer did not seem to have an answer to this important question. I'm not sure how they could do this, but I guess it is theoretically possible. Actually, I assume it must be mandatory. How could you possibly assign the new modules without the new submenus installed in the 7.1 operating firmware?

Evan

P.S. It looks like I should've held off on ordering the HDMI module. Now that HDMI 1.2 has been officially announced, it's only a matter of time until ONKY/IR come out with the newer version of their HDMI module. Hopefully it will be a four into one version.

Don't worry about the submenus. All the necessary firmware is already in the base unit. Submenus and firmware version for an uninstalled module are invisible until the module is installed. Just be sure to unplug the unit before installing modules, just turning it off isn't sufficient. Also, based on my recent experience, I'd recommend the following procedure when installing modules:
1) Unplug unit power cord and wait for five minutes.
2) Install modules (make sure you place in the correct designated slot!).
3) Plug in power cord.
4) Setup new module submenus.
5) Verify everything is OK.
6) Power-off and unplug unit power cord for five minutes.
7) Restore power.

I'm recommending step six based on a problem I discovered yesterday. I was double checking all of my speaker settings yesterday and discovered that the surround back left speaker wasn't working properly. In level calibration mode the sound loudness was less than half the other speakers and the level could not be adjusted. I swapped the SBL & SBR connections on the power amp and then replaced that cable altogether with a known good cable to establish that the problem was with the RDC-7.1. I then powered-cycled the RDC-7.1. Presto, the SBL level was restored to the same level as the other surround channels, but still wouldn't respond to level calibration adjustments. As a last resort and before doing the dreaded "RESET" (which would result in the loss of all of my settings) I then powered-off and disconnected the power cable for five minutes. Upon reconnecting power everything worked perfectly.

I had checked everything thoroughly prior to installing the modules so I am very suspcious that installing them caused the problem.

That's fabulous news about HDMI 1.2. However, I think it very likely that the upcoming ONKYO 4x1 HDMI module will be 1.1, NOT 1.2. Keep in mind that in addition to the HDMI spec there needs to be supporting silicon (chips), supporting board designs that use those chips, and associated firmware. All those together have a minimum 12-24 month design and manufacture cycle. The fact that 1.2 includes a revised electrical spec pretty much negates a 1.1->1.2 migration via firmware upgrade path.

You can check your firmware versions as follows:
Main A Setup->8.Lock/Version->2.Firmware Version

Also from the manual regarding DVD OSD (for O/I/IR players only):

Using Useful Functions While the i.LINK Connection is Ready
If any other IntegraRESEARCH product is connected to the RDC-7.1 via i.LINK and assigned as a input source
(Audio Assign), you can use the following functions. The connection must be disconnected to use them.
i.LINK Selector Change
When the i.LINK-connected device starts playing, the input source will automatically be changed to the one assigned
to the device even if another input source has been selected. See page 121 for detailed operations.
Note:
You cannot hear audio sound of i.LINK-connected devices in Zone 2.
Control of DVD Player
You can control a DVD player by emitting signals from the remote controller to the RDC-7.1.
Auto Start (Wakeup Setup)
While the RDC-7.1 is in standby mode, you can configure the setting of any i.LINK-connected device. See page 121
for detailed operations.
OSD for DVD
If DVD player is connected to the RDC-7.1 via i.LINK, you can output the OSD of the RDC-7.1 on a TV, even if a
DVD player is directly connected to the TV. You can configure the setting to specify the display area on the TV, for
example, right or left side of the screen. When multiple devices are connected, you can select any specific device
through which the output is sent. This function is also available in Zone 2. See page 121 for detailed operations.
Note:
While the OSD for DVD is used, do not change mode to standby, nor turn on/off the player.
System Control Setup
You can select on/off of the i.LINK (AUDIO) output of a DVD player from the RDC-7.1. See page 121 for detailed
operations.

i.LINK Setup (Page 121)
This menu can be used when connecting to an IntegraRESEARCH i.LINK (AUDIO)-ready device.

OSD for DVD
a. OSD for DVD
Even when a DVD player is directly connected to the
TV, the OSD screen of the RDC-7.1 can be displayed on
the TV monitor if the DVD player is an
IntegraRESEARCH i.LINK (AUDIO)-ready device. In
this case, use the i.LINK cable to connect the i.LINK
(AUDIO) terminal on the RDC-7.1 and i.LINK
(AUDIO) terminal on the DVD player.
Disable (Default):
Select this to block OSD screen
display.
Left:
Select this to display the OSD screen on the left
side of the TV monitor.
Right:
Select this to display the OSD screen on the
right side of the TV monitor.
b. Select DVD
Select the name of the device that should display the
OSD screen using the [ ]/[ ] cursor buttons if
multiple IntegraRESEARCH i.LINK (AUDIO)-ready
devices are connected to the RDC-7.1. This item does
not appear when “Disable” is selected in the OSD for
DVD setting.

pepar

08-23-05, 06:35 PM

Nice post, gimp!

gimp

08-23-05, 06:41 PM

Nice post, gimp!

Thanks, it is nice to be able to say something other than whining about O/I/IR customer support ;)

Evanfew

08-23-05, 06:50 PM

gimp, you are the man! You're unfortunate (and completely unfair) experience with your unit has turned you into Dr. 7.1! Congratulations, your residency is officially over and you are now deserving of your new official title. ;)

I personally am well on my way to earning my Ph.D. in 7.1 studies. I consider it an honor to serve under a master such as yourself. Thank you for the info on how to install the modules. I will specifically follow them in order when my new card arrives (hopefully late this week). Of course they will probably mix up the order, and end up sending the module to your address :p .

Evan

gimp

08-23-05, 07:06 PM

Of course they will probably mix up the order, and end up sending the module to your address :p .

Evan

Aw shucks everyone. For your sake I hope not, but if they do I'll put it to good use!

bkzoller

08-23-05, 07:09 PM

Don't worry about the submenus. All the necessary firmware is already in the base unit. Submenus and firmware version for an uninstalled module are invisible until the module is installed. Just be sure to unplug the unit before installing modules, just turning it off isn't sufficient. Also, based on my recent experience, I'd recommend the following procedure when installing modules:

Did you originally use the Standby button or the Power button to turn it off? I have been using the Power button when connecting and disconnecting inputs, just for safety. I haven't attempted a module install yet.

That's fabulous news about HDMI 1.2. However, I think it very likely that the upcoming ONKYO 4x1 HDMI module will be 1.1, NOT 1.2. Keep in mind that in addition to the HDMI spec there needs to be supporting silicon (chips), supporting board designs that use those chips, and associated firmware. All those together have a minimum 12-24 month design and manufacture cycle. The fact that 1.2 includes a revised electrical spec pretty much negates a 1.1->1.2 migration via firmware upgrade path.

The question is, when did the clock on the manufacturing cycle start? Silicon Image and Onkyo surely would have had information about the spec in advance of this announcement. Last minute changes could have caused problems in the development cycle, of course.

Brian

mfb

08-27-05, 06:39 PM

gimp

08-27-05, 07:04 PM

Did you originally use the Standby button or the Power button to turn it off? I have been using the Power button when connecting and disconnecting inputs, just for safety. I haven't attempted a module install yet.

Based on my experience I've found both of my RDC-7.1s to be prone to entering weird states including "lock-ups/freezes", and therefore exercise extreme caution whenever connecting/disconnecting inputs/outputs. Therefore I'd advise the following steps:
1) Enter Stand-by mode (if not already there)
2) Power unit OFF using front Power button
3) Disconnect power from unit
4) Wait a couple of minutes
5) Perform any connections/disconnections
6) Reconnect power and so on...

The question is, when did the clock on the manufacturing cycle start? Silicon Image and Onkyo surely would have had information about the spec in advance of this announcement. Last minute changes could have caused problems in the development cycle, of course.

Brian

I assume that Silicon Image wouldn't commit to silicon prior to a final spec. It would be interesting to know what their plans are for silicon availability.

gimp

08-27-05, 07:12 PM

Awhile back a few of us had thumping problems (changing audio format) on the 7.1 and Velodyne DD-15 subs. I encountered this using a balanced connection from the IR to the sub. I e-mailed IR with no reply back. I went back to a single ended RCA and it eliminated the thump on channel changes. Since the rest of my channels are fed balanced, I wanted to stay consistant. I ended up floated the ground (pin 1) on my existing XLR cable and low and behold the thump was gone.

No noise and happy to be using the balanced connector again.

marty

I'm happy to report that my replacement RDC-7.1 does not "THUMP". I suspect that units with this behavior are defective. Also, make sure all unused audio & video inputs are set to "No". Isn't lifting the ground dangerous??? BTW, have you upgraded your DD-15 to 2.0 firmware? If you wish to escalate your IR call, PM me and I'll provide you contact info for the ONKYO National Parts & Service Manager in NJ HQ.

anthonymoody

08-29-05, 10:40 AM

Re: the HDMI 1.1 v 1.2 timing issue... The upgrade to the Anthem D1, which is to include 4x1 HDMI switching, is now supposed to ship at the beginning of '06. And that's supposed to be 1.1 only, not 1.2. I could be wrong as there is speculation flying left and right with only occassion (unofficial) word from Anthem. But if true I wouldn't expect the 4x1 board for the IR 7.1 to be 1.2 unless IR delays it materially.

TM

Steve Goff

08-29-05, 03:23 PM

I doubt we'll see HDMI 1.2 capabilities in consumer electronics units until the middle of next year.

Meanwhile, anything on the possible trade-in, or is this yet another letdown?

pepar

08-29-05, 03:28 PM

I doubt we'll see HDMI 1.2 capabilities in consumer electronics units until the middle of next year.

What's the difference in the two specs?

Meanwhile, anything on the possible trade-in, or is this yet another letdown?

Like cold fusion in a test tube, it has been neither repeatable nor verifiable.

Steve Goff

08-30-05, 12:12 AM

Here is what 1.2 changes, according to its backers:

The features and modifications for HDMI 1.2 include:

* Support for One Bit Audio format, such as SuperAudio CD's DSD (Direct Stream Digital)
* Changes to offer better support for current and future PCs with HDMI outputs, including:
o Availability of the widely-used HDMI Type A connector for PC sources and displays with full support for PC video formats
o Ability for PC sources to use their native RGB color-space while retaining the option to support the YCbCr CE color-space
o Requirement for HDMI 1.2 and later displays to support future low-voltage (i.e., AC-coupled) sources, such as those based on PCI Express I/O technology

Krobar

08-30-05, 03:40 AM

Are the electrical changes required for SACD support? Surely a modded firmware could allow SACD over I-Link? HDMI 1.1 would be OK for the Integra anyway, it has I-Link and SACD is fading fast (Not that it was ever a bright shining light).

I feel really lucky to have a trouble free unit, returning it to the USA would be difficult for me! Onkyo need to get some new modules release and ensure a smooth and easy upgrade for use of newer HD Audio formats.

Steve Goff

08-30-05, 01:53 PM

I-Link does not need modded firmware for SACD transmission, but the RDC-7.1 changes the DSD stream to PCM in any event for purposes of bass managment and implementation of DPL IIx and other modes on top of the 5.1-channel sound.

It is as yet unclear whether HD-DVD and Blu-Ray will require some new version of HDMI to pass the new 7.1-channel sound formats. The best guess is that the players will convert the new formats to 8 channels of PCM, to be transmitted as such via HDMI. If that is so, HDMI 1.1 should suffice.

Krobar

08-30-05, 03:51 PM

I-Link has more than enough bandwidth for the new HD standards, Im hoping Pioneer and Onkyo will release HD players that will output over I-Link.

:) Typo on the above, I meant a modded firmware for output over HDMI.

pepar

08-30-05, 04:21 PM

anthonymoody

08-30-05, 07:11 PM

So...how pissed are we all going to be if CEDIA comes and goes w/o any word about any new modules out of IR, Onkyo et al?

TM

Krobar

08-30-05, 07:23 PM

I'll be pissed if nothing is announced at the IFA show :)

gimp

08-31-05, 02:24 PM

So...how pissed are we all going to be if CEDIA comes and goes w/o any word about any new modules out of IR, Onkyo et al?

TM

well, uh, considering how I already feel based on my experience with O/I/IR my expectations are that we will be fortunate if we hear anything by CES, if even then.

jheoaustin

08-31-05, 02:47 PM

Sorry for OT question,

But does anybody have a service manual of RDC 7.1?

astrojeff

09-01-05, 01:33 PM

I got a call this a.m. from Integra support. I was given the number of a local dealer for the upgrade to the 7.1. I have contacted the dealer and they do, in fact, have the details from IR. The trade in is $2000 for my old upgraded RDC-7. The cost is $4000 for the new unit plus the cost for the modules. I was quoted $1350 for the HDMI, video, mutlichannel, and AM/FM modules (list price, I guess).

I was debating whether or not to sell the old unit myself. The dealer told me they were selling new RDC-7 models last month for $2000 to unload them (they had had a lot in stock). So, I don't think I can get much for my old unit myself.

I'll have to decide if it's worth upgrading for ~3500.

I don't think they are going to make an announcement on the website regarding the trade-in. I would think all of the dealers should have the info by now, if you contact them directly.

Jeff

astrojeff

09-01-05, 02:04 PM

I just got another call from Warren at IR. He said that not all dealers are participating in the upgrade (e.g. there is just one in Florida). So anyone interested may have to get the info directly from IR.

J

Razvanel

09-01-05, 05:26 PM

I was quoted $1350 for the HDMI, video, mutlichannel, and AM/FM modules (list price, I guess).

They are overcharging you for the modules. Some dealers are taking advantage of the fact that IR has not made the modules MSRP's public and are charging more than list. The smart thing to do is to get the base unit for $2000 and shop around for cheaper module prices.

$2000 is a fair price for the RDC-7, you won't be able to sell it on your own for more than that for sure ( the unit is dated and the warranty is not transferable).

R

anthonymoody

09-01-05, 07:20 PM

I agree with Raz. Hey Raz, you happen to know if our dealer is handling the upgrades? I guess I should email him. I'm not exactly in love with the dealer I bought the 7 from originally so I'd rather have the 7.1 dealer handle to trade in.

My other question is: how long is the trade in offer in effect.

TM

astrojeff

09-01-05, 09:39 PM

Raz, you have a PM

Jeff

pepar

09-01-05, 11:57 PM

They are overcharging you for the modules. Some dealers are taking advantage of the fact that IR has not made the modules MSRP's public and are charging more than list. The smart thing to do is to get the base unit for $2000 and shop around for cheaper module prices.

$2000 is a fair price for the RDC-7, you won't be able to sell it on your own for more than that for sure ( the unit is dated and the warranty is not transferable).

R

Guess I'm feeling extra cynical this evening. It's only fair if they don't screw you on the new unit. Any car, running or not, is worth at least $500 on a trade-in - off of a list price vehicle, of course. Neither IR nor the participating dealers are taking a hit - making less than they would have minus the trade. This trade-in offer is a red herring. I will continue to enjoy my dated, but beautifully sounding - and perfectly stable - RDC-7.

anthonymoody

09-02-05, 08:27 AM

That's an interesting point Pepar. $2k off what I paid for my 7.1 is an attractive deal. $2k off MSRP on the other hand, much less so...

HEY KROBAR,
Doesn't the show start today? Where's our report!?!?
:D
TM

Krobar

09-02-05, 11:08 AM

My underground network of Spies arent at the IFA ;) Ive asked Area if they'd mind asking Onkyo.

astrojeff

09-03-05, 04:02 PM

I'm trying to decide whether or not to get the HDMI module with my ugrade. I use DVI only from my DVD player to the projector now. My D*TV STB has DVI out, too, but I have a splitter to also send component signal to another room which is not equipped with DVI/HDMI. I read in the manual that the 7.1 will convert signals to HDMI, but can it work the other way around? If I feed it an HDMI(DVI) signal from the STB, can I output both a component and HDMI signal? If not, then I'll still need to use the component out from the STB (since both outputs are not active simultaneously on the STB).

J

Evanfew

09-03-05, 09:09 PM

Well, I finally had a chance to install the new video module into my unit. The good news is that I now finally have on-screen display, which makes it so much easier to make alterations in the menu. However, the bad news is that it has not fixed the issue of the video signal cutting in and out with the HDMI module. Although it originally appeared to only be an issue when using my DVD player, it's now beginning to do it with my satellite receiver as well. Nuts! My dealer is over an hour away, so Im going to see if I can just send back my HDMI module for a new one. Either way, I sure am getting tired of pulling this beast in and out of the credenza it lives in.

On a brighter note, I can't believe how phenomenal this thing sounds. Simply amazing. I have not yet had an opportunity to hear it with speakers that would do it full justice. Today is the six-month anniversary of when I first purchased my Paradigm Signatures, and they never sent me a new center channel speaker. Paradigms customer service is so extraordinarily bad, it actually makes Integra Research look good!!! I finally gave up, and traded them in for a B&W 800 series set up. They should be here in two weeks, and I will finally get to hear this processor do all that it's capable of. I can't wait!

Evan

astrojeff

09-03-05, 10:08 PM

Evan, sorry to hear about your HDMI module. I think I will hold off on it until the new one comes out. I can hook up my SP1000 directly to the projector.

Did you ever get rid of your lip sync problem using the i-Link? I have not noticed any problems and have watched several movies. The delay is about 115ms with my RDC-7 using digital coax, but it seems constant. The RDC-7 has a max. delay of 120ms, but I see that the 7.1 has up to 300ms which will give me more leeway.

Jeff

Evanfew

09-03-05, 10:24 PM

Hey Jeff,

I would definitely hold off and wait for the new HDMI module if you can. I'm kinda sorry I didn't hold off and wait myself. Hopefully it's coming reasonably soon. I have not watched many movies on my Onkyo SP 1000 because of all this hassle Im having with the HDMI card. However, while I was bypassing the HDMI module altogether, I got to get to see a few more DVDs. I have not noticed any lip-synch issues while using the FireWire. I hope this is a good omen, as my return period is now over and I am permanently stuck with the unit whatever the outcome. I watched the Incredibles (animation) on DVD, and was utterly stunned at the insane quality of the picture.

Evan

pepar

09-04-05, 01:02 AM

On a brighter note, I can't believe how phenomenal this thing sounds. Simply amazing. I have not yet had an opportunity to hear it with speakers that would do it full justice. Today is the six-month anniversary of when I first purchased my Paradigm Signatures, and they never sent me a new center channel speaker. Paradigms customer service is so extraordinarily bad, it actually makes Integra Research look good!!! I finally gave up, and traded them in for a B&W 800 series set up. They should be here in two weeks, and I will finally get to hear this processor do all that it's capable of. I can't wait!

Evan

Well, that's a big 10-4! What were you using as a pre-pro before the IR?

Evanfew

09-04-05, 04:18 AM

Well, that's a big 10-4! What were you using as a pre-pro before the IR?

Actually, I have been getting by with my Nakamichi AV10 receiver for HT. Not a bad unit as far as receivers go, but I had no idea what I was missing until I fired this sucker up! Holy cow, there's simply no comparison. It's a completely different universe. I'm only sorry I waited so long. I was using my old NAD preamp/amp for two channel listening. I was holding out for the upgraded Anthem D1, and I was worried I would regret my decision by purchasing the 7.1. Not a chance! I am so utterly infatuated with this processor. I may have to quit work and breakup with my girlfriend when my new speakers arrive, I wouldn't want anything getting in the way of me spending more time with this mean machine. :D

Evan

P.S. I am currently using NHT Evolution (T5's and A1/X1) speakers with my 7.1, which sounds wonderful.

Krobar

09-04-05, 09:19 AM

Area DVD have posted pics for Denon and Integra at the IFA show in Berlin:
http://www.areadvd.de/index.html
No news on DAB module yet :(

anthonymoody

09-08-05, 03:57 PM

Nothing else from Germany yet? Any early word from CEDIA?

TM

bkzoller

09-08-05, 08:50 PM

Onkyo and Integra just announced lower cost receivers. There is nothing new announced for the flagship receivers or for the IR brand yet.

http://www.gspr.com/gspr/headlines_fr.html

Brian

anthonymoody

09-09-05, 10:43 AM

Ahh yes, GSPR. Have to remember to check that site every now and then...

Thanks BKZ
TM

Carlton Bale

09-12-05, 11:15 AM

At the CEDIA Integra area, I asked about new cards and the only thing they knew of was XM late this year or early next year. I asked specifically about a new HDMI card, and they said "not that we know of." I was told no plans for room correction beyond the notch filters already in place. So it looks like significant upgrades won't happen any time soon. Wish I had more news, but there was not much (if anything) different from last year at the booth.

anthonymoody

09-12-05, 12:42 PM

Carlton Bale

09-12-05, 02:03 PM

Thanks for checking Carlton. If CES brings no new word and if ANthem is indeed shipping the D2 by then I may have a transaction in my future. The card cage design of the 7.1 is wonderful, but if IR doesn't take advantage of it then...

TM

That's exactly were I am right now. I had been planning on the 7.1 for a long time (since CEDIA 2004 or maybe even CES 2004). However, the built-in, full-blown video processor in the D2 has caused me to change my mind. I still prefer the RDC-7.1 over the D1, but I'm going to get an Anthem Statement D2 as soon as it is out instead.

IR would have to add a new HDMI card as well as a HD video processor card for me to change my mind. I don't think there is much of a chance of that happening prior to the D2 shipping, which is supposed to be in November.

astrojeff

09-14-05, 04:34 PM

For those interested in the upgrade, my new 7.1 is being "built" right now. I noticed on the paperwork from the dealer that the trade-in program expires 12/31/05. Dealer participation in the program is voluntary. IR will let you know if your dealer is participating or not, if you call them.

Jeff

anthonymoody

09-14-05, 06:10 PM

Wow thanks Jeff. Hmm - it expires right before CES. I'm really disappointed that nothing was announced at CEDIA. I was going to upgrade my 7 to (another) 7.1 but I'm a little hesitant to pump more $ into IR until we have a better sense of their commitment to the card cage design and its upgradeability. If they add features a year or more after they're in every receiver on the market it won't exactly inspire confidence.

TM

bkzoller

09-14-05, 06:22 PM

It seems that Anthem and IR have completely different philosophies about announcing future enhancements. Anthem announced at the beginning of this year the D1 upgrade which may not be available until the beginning of next year. Anthem kept pushing back the availability date which is something their customers and potential customers seem to be unhappy about.

IR has basically been silent about any upcoming features being added to their product, the exceptions being satellite radio and HD radio (iBiquity?). IR customers and potential customers seem to be unhappy about not having enough information for future plans. This is in addition to the long delayed upgrade and/or trade-in for the previous model RDC-7.

It seems like there is a happy middle ground which could be found between those two approaches. Manufacturers could possibly let us know what they are working on for the future while being vague about the release dates. I suppose the argument for not announcing anything would be that they want to keep a competitive advantage over the other manufacturers.

Brian

Krobar

09-14-05, 07:43 PM

We are still meant to get 4 port HDMI and DAB by end of year here in Europe despite us being behind the curve somewhat.

IR have put their flagship behind the lower models in the US already, where is an XM radio module! Where is room correction!!

Tya

09-15-05, 08:05 AM

Just received a mail from Onkyo Europe that a new version of the firmware is soon availible. The only info I got is that it will finally handle component video (at least, hopefully even HDMI) on the speaker B system (today it can only handle composite & S-video).

Even if it took some months for them to fix it's a very good thing that they listen to their customers. Viva Integra! :)

Krobar

09-15-05, 08:15 AM

They do listen eventually, that strange DTS problem I had mentioned way back in this thread was never fixed by Pioneer with their recievers but Integra sent me a beta firmware and incorporated the fix into their newer firmwares.

anthonymoody

09-15-05, 11:12 AM

I hope it won't require a reset (i.e. I hope it will hold settings) when it's flashed. Cool that they're still working on the software. A good sign that it's getting attention.

As for the balance - it's tough in this day and age. We always want more info, sooner, etc. But then we really rant and rave when promises aren't met. I guess your suggestion that they say what but not when may be the only safe thing to say - so long as they *ultimately* deliver what they say they're working on. Or tell us the moment they abandon it and why.

TM

Razvanel

09-25-05, 10:07 PM

Will Gibbons

09-25-05, 11:13 PM

R,

I have master firmware version 1.08 now. I am awaiting delivery of a USB-R232C cable for my new laptop for updating to 1.09. All of my Delay Settings are set to 0.0ms--I have never adjusted any of them.

Regards,
Will

astrojeff

09-26-05, 09:01 AM

Razvan,

I'm still waiting for my new unit (upgrade), so I can't check it out. On my RDC-7, they were all set to 0ms to begin with.

Integra is backordered on the units, so I've been waiting a couple of weeks already to get mine sent out. I guess that means that they are selling them and don't have any old units collecting dust.

J

bkzoller

09-26-05, 11:07 AM

Razvanel

09-26-05, 12:04 PM

Thanks! Is there anyone having 1.09 who can check the A/V Sync settings?

R

gimp

09-26-05, 02:39 PM

Guys,

I've noticed something strange on my RDC-7.1: it shows different A/V Sync settings for different inputs ( see below) although I never changed the A/V Sync settings on my unit. I thought that the factory settings should have all been set to 0.0 ms? Could you check the A/V Sync for each input on your RDC-7.1's? Go to Setup then go to 2. Input Setup then to to 6. Delay and then to a. A/V Sync.

The A/V sync settings on my RDC-7.1 are:

DVD, Video 1: 110.0ms
Video 2 - Video 7: 60.0 ms
Tape 1, Tape 2, Tuner, Phono, CD: 0.0 ms

The master firmware version on my RDC-7.1 is 1.09.

Thanks,

R

Raz,

My replacement RDC-7.1 came with 1.09. I just checked and it has the same A/V sync settings as yours. I never set or changed these settings so they must default that way with 1.09.

On a different subject, is your 7.1 power directly connected to a wall outlet? If not, what are you using?

Razvanel

09-26-05, 03:07 PM

Raz,

My replacement RDC-7.1 came with 1.09. I just checked and it has the same A/V sync settings as yours. I never set or changed these settings so they must default that way with 1.09.

Thanks for the info! It must be a 1.09 bug, it doesn't make sense for the Video 1 A/V Sync setting to be different from the Video 2 A/V Sync setting.

My 7.1 is connected to a cheap Belkin surge protector.

R

bkzoller

09-26-05, 05:36 PM

On a different subject, is your 7.1 power directly connected to a wall outlet? If not, what are you using?

Mine is connected to a Brickwall surge protector.

Brian

Krobar

09-26-05, 06:05 PM

Theres another bug I seem to have. With two channel sources in THX mode it seems I can only select DTS Neo. Pro Logic and Pro Logic 2 with THX seem to have disappeared. Anyone else have this problem?

pepar

09-26-05, 06:28 PM

Theres another bug I seem to have. With two channel sources in THX mode it seems I can only select DTS Neo. Pro Logic and Pro Logic 2 with THX seem to have disappeared. Anyone else have this problem?

THX mode is post-processing of the 5.1 formats of Dolby and DTS. I'm pretty sure that excludes surround derived from 2-channel sources.

Krobar

09-26-05, 06:54 PM

pepar

09-26-05, 07:05 PM

THX has always been OK to apply to 2 Channel sound. I'm pretty sure you could apply THX to any of the movie orientated 2 channel processing methods in earlier firmwares. You just kept pressing the THX button and it would cycle through the three different THX modes (Probably more for 7.1 users).

"THX" processing is re-equalization, timbre matching and de-correlation. So, I guess it *could* be applied to stereo sources - after something like Neo, Cinema or DPLII. "THX Ultra2" I think is only for true discrete suround sources. Which THX are you applying? On this thread, I'd assume it's Ultra2.

Razvanel

09-26-05, 10:56 PM

Theres another bug I seem to have. With two channel sources in THX mode it seems I can only select DTS Neo. Pro Logic and Pro Logic 2 with THX seem to have disappeared. Anyone else have this problem?

I'm not sure I understand what the problem is. What do you mean by DPLII with THX?

R

Razvanel

09-26-05, 10:58 PM

THX has always been OK to apply to 2 Channel sound.

It still is OK to apply THX to 2-channel sources, it works fine on my 7.1/1.09 software version.

R

Evanfew

09-27-05, 12:53 AM

I got my B&W 803D's,HM2D and DS8S, last week, and have been beside myself in audio nirvana ever since. I am now able to hear this processor for all its worth. Simply magnificent! I am now having my first experience with high-resolution music (SACD/DVD-Audio) and all I can say is it was well worth the wait. I love my 7.1.

However, I am still having many difficulties. I took my unit in to the dealer so they could get me a new HDMI card. To my utter amazement, the dealer (thanks again Raz!) Insisted that IR build me a new unit from scratch, just to be sure there weren't any issues with the unit itself. Three days later I picked up my brand-new 7.1 with all the cards installed. It's still won't work with my Onkyo SP 1000 and my Samsung DLP. The dealer had the head of tech support for IR North America call me, and we spent a longtime performing all sorts of diagnostics on both the processor and the DVD player. No dice. The tech support was a very nice guy named Eric, who has reportedly faced similar issues with several other units. Each instance had a different cause, and required a different remedy. He said that they tested the card with many different monitors and projectors, but probably weren't able to test with every monitor on the market. HDMI is truly plug and pray. I believe I am about to give up, and return this particular module.

My new unit now has a new issue as well. Every time I switch to a Dolby Digital source, it can take anywhere from 10 seconds, to 5 minutes to lock on and play the center channel. In other words, music and effects but no dialogue. Very frustrating indeed. The irony of course, is that my other unit did not suffer any such issue. I don't know how many more times I'm willing to pull this thing out of the credenza and drive it back to the dealer.

Yet the high-resolution through the FireWire makes it all worth it. We sure do pay a high price for being on the bleeding edge of technology in this hobby.

Evan

gimp

09-27-05, 11:49 AM

My new unit now has a new issue as well. Every time I switch to a Dolby Digital source, it can take anywhere from 10 seconds, to 5 minutes to lock on and play the center channel. In other words, music and effects but no dialogue. Very frustrating indeed. The irony of course, is that my other unit did not suffer any such issue. I don't know how many more times I'm willing to pull this thing out of the credenza and drive it back to the dealer.

I had the same problem with my first unit. Try disconnecting power for five minutes (entering standby or powering off isn't sufficient). If that doesn't do it, try a reset (you will lose your settings). These actions temporarily resolved these issues for me, but the problem always returned after the unit was in standby overnight. How is your 7.1 plugged directly into the wall?

Can you PM me contact info for Eric?

JohnnyRose

09-27-05, 06:43 PM

Well I pulled the trigger on the 7.1 Friday. I might have it by this Friday although I wont have any of my other components by then but I can at least look at it.

From what Im reading, maybe its best if I dont hook it up. Just kidding....Im looking forward to my new system. The first new one in 17 years!

Thanks Evan (and all the AVSForum folks) for all the help.

John

gimp

09-27-05, 07:46 PM

It's possible that Eric got your "fixed" unit from Integra as a replacement. Do you have its serial number?

R

I very much doubt they are recycling units. My new one came from the LA distribution center and my old one was sent to NJ. In addition to Eric and myself this type of center channel problem was reported by one other person.

By the way, an easy way to demonstrate the problem is to use the level calibration function for the center channel.

pepar

09-27-05, 08:09 PM

I very much doubt they are recycling units. My new one came from the LA distribution center and my old one was sent to NJ. In addition to Eric and myself this type of center channel problem was reported by one other person.

Maybe they've discovered a wormhole between CA and NJ. :)

Evanfew

09-28-05, 12:12 AM

Hey gimp,
I unfortunately do not have the contact information for the individual I spoke with at IR (I wish I did). My dealer had the individual call me directly at my home. He stated that he was going to get back to me with a potential resolution for the HDMI module. That was Friday morning, I have not heard back from him yet. If and when he does call me (and hopefully I will be home when he does) I will tell him I have a fellow 7.1 owner who could use his help, and inquire as to how you could get a hold of him.

Raz, interesting theory regarding my unit being a hand-me-down. I would not be shocked to learn this was true, they probably do recycle the guts of the units when they get them back. I am going to have to pull this beast out of its credenza yet again for the 20th time in the last few weeks in order to rewire the video, and probably return this unit to the dealer. I will definitely note the serial number when I do so. I certainly hope this is not true!

Johnnyrose, congratulations again buddy. I'd say that after 17 years you are entitled to a systemwide upgrade! I believe you made an excellent choice, and trust you'll have better luck with your unit when it finally arrives.

Evan

gimp

09-29-05, 05:42 PM

Evan,

Some manufacturers do recycle returns. I don't know if Integra does that or not but I myself always write down the serial numbers. I wish that Gimp wrote down the serial number of his return to compare it with the serial number on your unit.

R

I found and PM'd Evan my returned unit SN. If they are recycling, that is truly despicable, but not surprising given their poor treatment of customers.

Razvanel

10-03-05, 01:09 PM

egcarter

10-03-05, 01:57 PM

"Recycled Returns" are known as B-Stock. They are refurbished and sold at reduced prices.

Eric

anthonymoody

10-03-05, 04:41 PM

Raz,
I think you need another new RDC 7.1 ;)

Seriously though, haven't used those buttons much since I use a universal. I'll check it out...

TM

Razvanel

10-03-05, 05:16 PM

Seriously though, haven't used those buttons much since I use a universal. I'll check it out...

I myself use the Ch Sel button a lot... My unit has the input switching problem no matter which remote I use - I tried the original remote, another Onkyo remote, and a universal remote. Integra hasn't been able to duplicate the problem on their unit so it looks like there's something wrong with my RDC-7.1.

R

gimp

10-03-05, 06:49 PM

I have a strange problem with my RDC-7.1: when I change the speaker levels using the on-the-fly channel level button on the remote the RDC-7.1 sometimes switches from the input I was using at the time to the Video 4 input. The problem is intermittent. Has anyone else noticed this problem on their units?

R

That's not a bug, it's a feature! The RDC-7.1 remote maintains it own "state", and what you might be experiencing is changing the input with a different remote, or for that matter the front panel buttons, and then using the RDC-7.1 remote which was last used to select a different input. It might be more clear if I use an example:
1) Use RDC-7.1 remote to select "DVD" input.
2) Use Whizzmo Ultra programmable remote to select "VIDEO 4" input.
3) Using the RDC-7.1 remote to change speaker level requires pressing the scroll wheel to shift from "Input" mode to "AMP" mode which immediately causes the "DVD" input to be reselected, since that was the last "state" of the RDC-7.1 remote.

astrojeff

10-03-05, 08:57 PM

bkzoller

10-03-05, 09:36 PM

I myself use the Ch Sel button a lot... My unit has the input switching problem no matter which remote I use - I tried the original remote, another Onkyo remote, and a universal remote. Integra hasn't been able to duplicate the problem on their unit so it looks like there's something wrong with my RDC-7.1.

R

There is a preprogrammed code in the MX-850 database for the CH SEL button. It is labelled with "C.SEL". When I select it, the RDC-7.1 stays on the current input and cycles through the channel volume levels. I don't normally use the button, but I also don't have the LEVEL+ and LEVEL- buttons programmed. The code is available under Audio/Integra/DTR-9.4 [CHAD] if you want to try it.

Brian

Razvanel

10-03-05, 11:23 PM

That's not a bug, it's a feature! The RDC-7.1 remote maintains it own "state", and what you might be experiencing is changing the input with a different remote, or for that matter the front panel buttons, and then using the RDC-7.1 remote which was last used to select a different input. It might be more clear if I use an example:
1) Use RDC-7.1 remote to select "DVD" input.
2) Use Whizzmo Ultra programmable remote to select "VIDEO 4" input.
3) Using the RDC-7.1 remote to change speaker level requires pressing the scroll wheel to shift from "Input" mode to "AMP" mode which immediately causes the "DVD" input to be reselected, since that was the last "state" of the RDC-7.1 remote.

Gimp,

Thanks but that's not the problem I am having. None of my previous RDC-7.1's or my old RDC-7 exhibited this problem and I did use the Ch Sel button a lot. Yesterday I spent half an hour playing with an Onkyo NR1000 receiver - same software as the RDC-7.1 - and couldn't duplicate the problem on the Onkyo.

I did talk to an Integra tech and that's definitely not supposed to happen, the only question is if my unit is defective or if this is a software bug. The tech couldn't duplicate the problem on his unit so my unit is probably defective.

R

Razvanel

10-03-05, 11:29 PM

There is a preprogrammed code in the MX-850 database for the CH SEL button. It is labelled with "C.SEL". When I select it, the RDC-7.1 stays on the current input and cycles through the channel volume levels.

Brian,

Thanks, I do have the code in my MX-850. The problem is that when I select the Ch Sel button the RDC-7.1 doesn't always stay on the current input, it switches to another input while I cycle through the channel volume levels or while I change the volume levels.

R

Razvanel

10-03-05, 11:43 PM

My new 7.1 is coming on Wednesday. I hope I don't have any of these problems with it. I didn't have any problems with my 7. I don't have a dealer nearby. It would be a pain to have to return it to California.

Anyway, I'll post my comparisons with the old unit once I get it all hooked up.

Jeff

Jeff,

If you have any problems the dealer is going to take care of you, don't worry, he's really good.

I owned the RDC-7 before I got the 7.1 and I like the 7.1 much more.

R

bkzoller

10-04-05, 12:04 AM

Brian,

Thanks, I do have the code in my MX-850. The problem is that when I select the Ch Sel button the RDC-7.1 doesn't always stay on the current input, it switches to another input while I cycle through the channel volume levels or while I change the volume levels.

R

I thought maybe the preprogrammed code would be slightly different from a learned code. Maybe the input mode got encoded together with the CH SEL learned code, which I think was what gimp was suggesting. If you get input switching with CH SEL when using the preprogrammed code, then there must be a malfunction in your unit. I suppose it could also be a problem in the 1.09 firmware, because I am still using 1.08.

Brian

Razvanel

10-04-05, 02:52 AM

I suppose it could also be a problem in the 1.09 firmware, because I am still using 1.08.

I had the same problem with 1.08 too but only noticed it a couple of times.

R

gimp

10-04-05, 01:03 PM

Gimp,

Thanks but that's not the problem I am having. None of my previous RDC-7.1's or my old RDC-7 exhibited this problem and I did use the Ch Sel button a lot. Yesterday I spent half an hour playing with an Onkyo NR1000 receiver - same software as the RDC-7.1 - and couldn't duplicate the problem on the Onkyo.

I did talk to an Integra tech and that's definitely not supposed to happen, the only question is if my unit is defective or if this is a software bug. The tech couldn't duplicate the problem on his unit so my unit is probably defective.

R

Can you reproduce the problem when using only the RDC-7.1 remote? Before going through the work of replacing the unit the other thing you could do is to try to reproduce the problem at your dealer with a floor model.

pepar

10-04-05, 02:46 PM

Can you reproduce the problem when using only the RDC-7.1 remote? Before going through the work of replacing the unit the other thing you could do is to try to reproduce the problem at your dealer with a floor model.

With your (Raz) remote.

Razvanel

10-04-05, 04:34 PM

Razvanel

10-05-05, 12:45 PM

My new 7.1 is coming on Wednesday. I hope I don't have any of these problems with it. I didn't have any problems with my 7. I don't have a dealer nearby. It would be a pain to have to return it to California.

Anyway, I'll post my comparisons with the old unit once I get it all hooked up.

Jeff

Jeff,

Have you received your RDC-7.1? How do you like it?

R

Evanfew

10-06-05, 01:35 AM

gimp,

Thank you for sending me the serial number of your unit. I am pleased to report that it's not the same number as my replacement unit. I unfortunately did not write down the number of my first unit. It looks like I'm about to get a brand-new unit. This will be my third. I will definitely note the serial number when it arrives. I'm very sorry that they sent back my first unit, as the only issue it had was with the HDMI card. The second unit I have just seems to get more defective as time goes on. I can't wait to get rid of it. I can't quite believe how many times I have now rewired my system (including my 60 inch DLP). My equipment, my furniture and my back have all taken a beating.

I am very disappointed that the technician that I spoke with at IR never called me back about the HDMI module. I was also supposed to receive an additional call in regards to the new issue with the Dolby Digital signal. Never got a callback on that either! It's official, I have now personally experienced IR lack of service. I am so very grateful for my dealer who does not take any prisoners, or take NO for an answer. I would truly be in a terrible position otherwise. I still want to love this processor, but my patience is waning!

Evan

Razvanel

10-06-05, 02:17 AM

It looks like I'm about to get a brand-new unit. This will be my third.

And mine will be my fifth!

R

astrojeff

10-06-05, 09:46 AM

Jeff,

Have you received your RDC-7.1? How do you like it?

R

Yes, I received it last night and spent a couple of hours getting in into the rack and hooking it up. The case is much nicer that the old unit.

I haven't hooked up everything yet or made adjustments to the input or speaker settings, but I have noticed a loud popping sound when switching inputs, coming from the speakers. It also happens when changing channels on the sat. box. Very annoying. I never had this with the old unit. Maybe I have to set some delay or something in the inputs. Any suggestions?

Jeff

gimp

10-06-05, 01:52 PM

The second unit I have just seems to get more defective as time goes on.

That was exactly what happened with my first unit. Initially the center channel was delayed coming on, then it got real loud or made popping noises, and then eventually the center channel died altogether. I found a work-around that although was non-optimal, helped keep my blood-pressure down while I was fighting with ONKYO. If you go into speaker configuration and turn-off the center channel, you will be able to hear dialog in the fronts and not have to deal with all the delays.

ONKYO very clearly has design and/or manufacturing problems with these units that obviously are not getting resolved over time. The problems are probably heat related since they do not immediately appear.

gimp

10-06-05, 01:54 PM

And mine will be my fifth!

R

So Raz, at what point do you say enough is enough and move on?

pepar

10-06-05, 01:59 PM

Anybody know if Jose is still at O/I/IR? My last two emails to him have gone unanswered. He normally replies almost immediately.

gimp

10-06-05, 02:11 PM

...I have noticed a loud popping sound when switching inputs, coming from the speakers. It also happens when changing channels on the sat. box.

My first unit did this and the second as well. I wonder if it is a precursor to the center channel problems three of us (most recently Evan) have experienced. There have been reports that using single-ended connections to the amp minimize this. I've never verified this since I'm using balanced connections. If your sat rcvr is connected via toslink you know it's not a ground problem.

Maybe I have to set some delay or something in the inputs.

I never found anything to mitigate the problem. It is a design flaw.

Any suggestions?

Return for a refund while you still can. It could be several weeks before other problems appear. The sound and features are great, but there are serious design flaws and even more serious quality problems that ONKYO clearly is not addressing. Anyone know where these things are built?

gimp

10-06-05, 02:14 PM

Anybody know if Jose is still at O/I/IR? My last two emails to him have gone unanswered. He normally replies almost immediately.

He never returned any of my emails or vmails.

Razvanel

10-06-05, 02:22 PM

I haven't hooked up everything yet or made adjustments to the input or speaker settings, but I have noticed a loud popping sound when switching inputs, coming from the speakers. It also happens when changing channels on the sat. box.

Jeff,

Is it a popping sound or a clicking sound when switching inputs? Clicking is normal, loud popping isn't.

R

Razvanel

10-06-05, 02:29 PM

ONKYO very clearly has design and/or manufacturing problems with these units that obviously are not getting resolved over time. The problems are probably heat related since they do not immediately appear.

Problems with my units:

1st unit: defective OSD
2nd unit: audio dropouts and I think that I noticed a lip sync problem too
3rd unit: DOA
4th unit: unit sometimes changes inputs by itself when pressing the Ch Sel button on the remote

I think that Onkyo has very poor QC and possibly design/manufacturing problems. It's all very surprising to me considering how reliable their first processor, the RDC-7, has been.

R

Razvanel

10-06-05, 02:41 PM

So Raz, at what point do you say enough is enough and move on?

I love the 7.1's sound - I owned the RDC-7 and the Anthem D1 before the 7.1 and the 7.1 sounds so much better than the other two processors that I will probably stick with the 7.1 in spite of its problems.

R

Razvanel

10-06-05, 02:44 PM

Anyone know where these things are built?

I think that the base units are built in Japan. The optional modules are installed and tested in the US at the Onkyo warehouse in LA.

R

Razvanel

10-06-05, 02:45 PM

Anybody know if Jose is still at O/I/IR? My last two emails to him have gone unanswered. He normally replies almost immediately.

What are your questions?

R

astrojeff

10-06-05, 02:50 PM

Jeff,

Is it a popping sound or a clicking sound when switching inputs? Clicking is normal, loud popping isn't.

R

Raz, it is not clicking within the unit which is also occuring. It is an audible sound coming from the speaker. I am using Toslink for that connection. As I said I have not really set up the unit properly yet, but will do so tonight. I hope I don't have to send it back. I am going to keep my RDC-7 until this one is working right.

I have not grounded the unit, but none of my other equipment is grounded. This has never been an issue. I am using balanced wires to the amp.

Jeff

Razvanel

10-06-05, 02:58 PM

Raz, it is not clicking within the unit which is also occuring. It is an audible sound coming from the speaker.

Jeff,

Is the popping sound coming from all speakers or from just one speaker?

R

astrojeff

10-06-05, 03:01 PM

Return for a refund while you still can. It could be several weeks before other problems appear. The sound and features are great, but there are serious design flaws and even more serious quality problems that ONKYO clearly is not addressing. Anyone know where these things are built?[/QUOTE]

I will be calling the dealer tomorrow if there is still a problem. The units are built in Japan. It would quite unusual to have a QC problem there. Mine was built in July.

J

astrojeff

10-06-05, 03:04 PM

Jeff,

Is the popping sound coming from all speakers or from just one speaker?

R

I don't remember. I know it is coming from the rear surround speaker for sure. I tried a quick test of speaker calibration to make sure I plugged everything in properly. I didn't get any sound out of the subwoofer. I have it set to main A in the setup. There may be another sub-menu to actually engage the balanced output.

J

pepar

10-06-05, 03:09 PM

What are your questions?

R
He previously told me 4th qtr for the RDC-7 Firewire upgrade and sounded confident, but cautious about making an official announcement. My question is a follow-up to that of the "is it still happening?" nature.

Razvanel

10-06-05, 03:16 PM

I didn't get any sound out of the subwoofer. I have it set to main A in the setup. There may be another sub-menu to actually engage the balanced output.

I don't think that there is a sub-menu to engage the balanced output. You have to set the sub to Main A and that should be it.

R

Razvanel

10-06-05, 03:20 PM

He previously told me 4th qtr for the RDC-7 Firewire upgrade and sounded confident, but cautious about making an official announcement. My question is a follow-up to that of the "is it still happening?" nature.

I'll ask my dealer if he knows anything when I pick up the replacement unit. Note that IR is apparently offering a trade-in for RDC-7 owners but as far as I know nothing official has been announced.

R

Razvanel

10-06-05, 03:23 PM

The units are built in Japan. It would quite unusual to have a QC problem there. Mine was built in July.

It's likely that the QC problems are at the LA warehouse. As far as I know the units are being tested by connecting them to a computer that checks that everything's OK. The LA computers must not be working properly.

R

pepar

10-06-05, 03:42 PM

I'll ask my dealer if he knows anything when I pick up the replacement unit. Note that IR is apparently offering a trade-in for RDC-7 owners but as far as I know nothing official has been announced.

R
And, apparently, not all dealers are participating; makes me wonder if it really is an official program, or just one cooked up amongst some dealers and/or reps.

astrojeff

10-06-05, 03:50 PM

And, apparently, not all dealers are participating; makes me wonder if it really is an official program, or just one cooked up amongst some dealers and/or reps.

It is an official trade-in. I was given documents to sign from Onkyo to do the upgrade. Dealer participation is voluntary. The upgrade will end Dec. 31st.

Of course, if I can't get a unit that works right, I will be keeping my old one, if the dealer refunds my money!

J

Razvanel

10-06-05, 04:23 PM

It is an official trade-in. I was given documents to sign from Onkyo to do the upgrade. Dealer participation is voluntary. The upgrade will end Dec. 31st.

Of course, if I can't get a unit that works right, I will be keeping my old one, if the dealer refunds my money!

J

Jeff,

Please check your PM.

R

pepar

10-06-05, 04:37 PM

It is an official trade-in. I was given documents to sign from Onkyo to do the upgrade. Dealer participation is voluntary. The upgrade will end Dec. 31st.

OK, but I'm a registered owner who purchased from an authorized dealer and I've never received any trade-in offer from IR or the dealer. This, of course, has been completely mooted by all of the problems, both hardware and customer service-wise, that have been posted on this thread.

gimp

10-06-05, 06:33 PM

I think that Onkyo has very poor QC and possibly design/manufacturing problems. It's all very surprising to me considering how reliable their first processor, the RDC-7, has been.

I wonder if they moved RDC-7.1 manufacturing to China or something.

Raz, are you using balanced connections to the amp? Did your Anthem D1 make any noise through the speakers when changing inputs?

Is there anyone using balanced connections to the amp that DON'T get thumps, pops or other noise through the speakers when any of the following actions occur?

If you use balanced connections and get noise through the speakers, in what situations does it occur?
a) input change
b) listening mode change
c) stb channel change
d) all of the above

egcarter

10-06-05, 06:40 PM

And, apparently, not all dealers are participating; makes me wonder if it really is an official program, or just one cooked up amongst some dealers and/or reps.

Nah, it's official. I'm an Integra dealer (not IR), but I can see it in the ordering system. Under RDC7.1BTO, there is a field called "Tradein Serial Nbr".

Eric

pepar

10-06-05, 06:49 PM

Nah, it's official. I'm an Integra dealer (not IR), but I can see it in the ordering system. Under RDC7.1BTO, there is a field called "Tradein Serial Nbr".

Eric
Then they've not been consistent or effective in their efforts to make the offer known to their RDC-7 customer base.

Razvanel

10-06-05, 06:51 PM

Raz, are you using balanced connections to the amp? Did your Anthem D1 make any noise through the speakers when changing inputs?

No, no balanced connections. I don't remember if the D1 made any noise when changing inputs. What I do remember about the D1 is that my first unit had tons of problems and Anthem replaced it. I sold the replacement unit - didn't like the sound - on Audiogon and a few months later the buyer e-mailed me that he saw smoke coming out of the D1 he bought from me. It's unbelievable how unreliable these expensive processors are. For $5000 you'd expect them to be as reliable as a Swiss watch.

R

Evanfew

10-06-05, 08:26 PM

I have been utilizing balanced connections to my amp with both units. I have not had any noise whatsoever. However, my next unit will no doubt have this issue. I can hardly wait! :p

Evan

APS

10-06-05, 09:33 PM

Hi all, just thought i'd chime in here, i am a new RDC-7.1 owner as of this evening. I will pick up my new Bryston poweramp tomorrow morning and start wiring my system together then.....i will be using
the balanced inputs (with a single ended to the sub). Can anyone summarize what the major gltiches are.....any that span the build dates and firmware versions? Afaik my build date is 26 Sept.
My config is simply the base unit + c-video + tuner, that's it. I'll reply back with any info.
Also, thx to the forum members who suggested a dealer.

Rgds,

Andy.

Razvanel

10-07-05, 12:56 AM

My dealer confirmed to me that the trade-in is for real. He also told me that he participates in the program so if you're interested in the trade-in please send me a PM and I'll tell you how to contact him.

R

APS

10-07-05, 11:04 PM

......so far so good, most excellent sound......no odd sounds or behavior that i can tell over balanced connections to my bryston. However, i can't seem to get the 'Volume OSD' to show up over component connection. I have 3 component sources and 1 s-video source going over the component output to my hdtv. The 'Main'OSD works fine over all inputs....but the instant 'Volume OSD' only shows up if i switch to the s-video (laserdisc) source. I'm sure it's my own stupidity here...is there something obvious i've missed in the manual?....i tried the different osd settings in the menu that seemd to pertain to this and they don't seem to change anything....suggestions?

Also, i'm using balanced into my poweramp.....i have input sensitivity sliders on each channel....1v for RCA.....2v for balanced & 4v for i dunno what.....i set it to 2v......i couldn't find preamp output voltage listed for rdc7.1...maybe i missed it.....should i have went with 1v input sensitivety anyways?
.....it seems like i have to ratchet up the volume dial before i get much on my soundmeter.....

Razvanel

10-07-05, 11:28 PM

i can't seem to get the 'Volume OSD' to show up over component connection.

What do you mean by 'Volume OSD'? There's no such setting in the setup menu. What are the Master, i-Link and HDMI firmware versions on your unit?

R

APS

10-07-05, 11:36 PM

APS

10-07-05, 11:40 PM

Master 1.09
I-link 1.02

....i didn't order any HDMI crap with mine.

Razvanel

10-07-05, 11:42 PM

...i mean the volume 'bar graph' that should show up along bottom of screen when you make an adjustment to master volume....it shows when i run the s-video source, but not on any component sources.......the main menu i can call up just fine regardless of what type of input i've selected....

OK, so what you mean is that when you play let's say a DVD and you press the menu button on the RDC-7.1 remote the setup menu shows up on the screen but when you press the volume button on the RDC-7.1 the volume bar graph doesn't show up on the screen? That's normal, my RDC-7.1 acts in the same way.

Could you please check the firmware versions - master, i-link, hdmi - and let us know what they are?

Thanks,

R

Razvanel

10-07-05, 11:44 PM

....i didn't order any HDMI crap with mine.

Thanks for the firmware info. Smart choice regarding the HDMI module. I have the HDMI module but don't use it. I don't use i-Link either, prefer the 7.1 analog connections.

BTW, what optional modules have you got?

R

APS

10-07-05, 11:59 PM

.....yeah i don't have any hdmi support on any of my sources, nor my hdtv, i don't think i would have ordered the card even if i did.......too much of a state of flux, maybe once the hdmi v. 1.2 is a known entity.

I just spec'd a basic unit w/
i) C-video
ii) AM/FM Tuner

Yeh the volume deal isn't too much of an issue....i just maybe got the worng impression from the manual that it was possible over component. I just got so used to seeing my db level in big-huge
dot matrix on my onkyo 939.

This is a helluva unit, so far the sound is very impressive & the build quality is something else.......
......feels like about 50lbs....i take it they didn't scrimp on the power transformer. But that remote, yikes, what a disaster zone..........

Razvanel

10-08-05, 01:00 AM

This is a helluva unit, so far the sound is very impressive & the build quality is something else.......
......feels like about 50lbs....i take it they didn't scrimp on the power transformer. But that remote, yikes, what a disaster zone..........

I agree, it does sound and look great but the remote sucks big time. I recommend the excellent MX-850 universal remote instead.

R

Krobar

10-08-05, 04:39 AM

APS

10-08-05, 10:49 PM

I agree, it does sound and look great but the remote sucks big time. I recommend the excellent MX-850 universal remote instead.

R

....thx for the suggestion, i was lookin' at that one as an option....in the meanwhile i'll have to see of there are any *.ccf for rdc-7/7.1 kicking around the net i can load into my tired ol' Pronto....

APS

10-08-05, 11:08 PM

For the amp setting you may wanna try 4V as well. The Integra peaks well above 10V at absolute max output setting. You should be looking at the onset of clipping a little beyond the 0Db point for normal material. Of course its not that important providing you get high enough volume and it sounds good.

Thx for the suggestion.
It's been some time since i really paid attention to actually calibrating sound levels.......it doesn't help that the receiver i'm replacing had an external mic for auto-calibrating. Am i right in assuming i should be able to judge whether i'm in the right 'input voltage range' on my poweramp by the SPL
at the listening position during the 0db pinknoise output from RDC?....i think i'm about 75-76db
(C-weight) on sound meter......right now all my levels are at unity.

Krobar

10-09-05, 07:24 AM

APS

10-09-05, 02:59 PM

APS,

I have found the measurements for the Integra here:
http://www.audioholics.com/productreviews/avhardware/IntegraResearchRDC71p8.php

The graph shows extremely low distortion at 15V! I would use 4V as the Integra can easily produce the juice and it should yield better sound quality.

Krobar, i think i will give the 4v range a try today and compare....according to the Bryston doc, i will reduce my noise floor on my amp by 3db on this setting. rgds.

Andy.

astrojeff

10-10-05, 09:26 AM

Hi Guys:

I finally got everything hooked up over the weekend. I didn't remember the lengthy set up/configuration procedure with my RDC-7, but that was a long time ago.

I was able to get rid of the popping (thump) noise when changing channels on the the Sat. Now it only does it when I turn the unit off or change from a digital source to stereo or mono. That doesn't bother me as I am not changing inputs very often. If all the video modes are pre set for PLIIx, then there is no noise when changing inputs. I think it has to do with the relays. The internal relay changing noise is much louder than the old unit. They must have changed the design. The pop or thump is heard mainly through my back surround speakers which are not of the same quality as my Martin-Logans that I use for the rest of the system. I am thinking or changing them out as ML now has in-wall and other smaller speakers for surround. (Passage or Vignette).

Everything else seems to work fine. I was going to use the i-Link, until I realized that it only supports 6 channel sound. There are more and more DVDs with 6.1 sound, so I am using a digital coax out from the SP1000. I still have the i-Link hooked up. I like the OSD function that allows me to see it on the screen even though I am using a separate HDMI to the projector and not passing the signal through the controller. I noticed that the AV delay was set to 110ms by default for the DVD setting. I lowered it to about 75ms for the SP1000.

The SACD sounds great. I am using the multichannel output for this. Again the i-Link would not support all channels for this.

I also have a DVHS that has i-Link, but the RDC7.1 supports only audio. Also it has a different designation (S200 rather than A400), so I didn't try it.

J

Krobar

10-10-05, 09:42 AM

APS

10-10-05, 10:16 AM

Mine came with 110ms delay set to the first 2 inputs and 60ms to the ones after that, it think up to video 5. I had thought maybe it was auto assigning a delay to the inputs based on some default
assumption based on video source resolution it senses.......i know that my DVD input is 480p, vid1
is 1080i & these came up as '110ms', vid2 & vid3 are 480i & came up as 60ms ....although i can't back this theory up since i didn't check delay settings before i hooked sources up. I backed everything off to 0ms for delay for now......i did notice something odd however.....the first two inputs would scroll at 0.1ms and the ones that came up as 60ms to start with would scroll in 1.0ms steps......i've backed them all off to 0ms...now if i adjust delay on any input, it will move in 1.0ms steps.....i noticed manual sez 0.1ms increments...strange huh?

Fwiw, other than the relay-clicking, it's dead silent when i change inputs or change channels on my DVR....i'm using balanced to my amp.

astrojeff

10-10-05, 10:37 AM

I-Link will support 6.1, or at least it works for me. You are right about I-Link not working with D-VHS as the D-VHS is a video input for use with camcorders rather than audio equipment. I dont suffer any switching noise, are you using balanced connections? Is all equipment plugged into the same mains loop? (Only applies if you use two pieces of equipment or more with three pin plugs)

Yes, I am using balanced connections for all speakers and the sub. I just get the pop or thump when it switches from a digital to an analog input. It's not a big deal, since I am not switching inputs too frequently. I think that the default mode is to look for an analog signal, and then switch to digital. It was doing this on the channel changes in the Sat input until I set the listening preference to start in digital. For each channel, it would first start in analog and then switch to digital when it detected the signal.

J

Razvanel

10-10-05, 11:07 AM

Mine came with 110ms delay set to the first 2 inputs and 60ms to the ones after that, it think up to video 5.

That's a master firmware version 1.09 'feature'. Previous firmware versions had all delays set to 0. I have no idea why why the dvd and video 1 delays are set to 110ms while the video 2-5 delays are set to 60ms.

R

APS

10-10-05, 11:20 AM

....maybe it's an 'expected video res.' thing?.....weren't dvd & vid1 linked to component 1 & 2 as default.?.....well whatever it is, with 110ms things were way out of whack, now at 0ms things are synced....

Razvanel

10-10-05, 11:26 AM

with 110ms things were way out of whack

I too noticed a few lip sync issues and set all my delays to 0ms.

R

astrojeff

10-10-05, 11:27 AM

They probably expect everyone to be using upconverting players, all of which should need some delay.

J

Razvanel

10-10-05, 12:05 PM

I didn't remember the lengthy set up/configuration procedure with my RDC-7, but that was a long time ago.

Jeff,

How do you like the 7.1 compared to the 7?

R

astrojeff

10-10-05, 12:14 PM

Jeff,

How do you like the 7.1 compared to the 7?

R
Raz,

I haven't had much time to listen to it! It sounds great, but so did my old unit. I do like the additional features. I hope that it will be "future-proof" and that they will have upgrades to accomodate audio/video changes in the future.

J

pepar

10-10-05, 01:15 PM

Mine came with 110ms delay set to the first 2 inputs and 60ms to the ones after that, it think up to video 5. I had thought maybe it was auto assigning a delay to the inputs based on some default
assumption based on video source resolution it senses.......i know that my DVD input is 480p, vid1
is 1080i & these came up as '110ms', vid2 & vid3 are 480i & came up as 60ms ....although i can't back this theory up since i didn't check delay settings before i hooked sources up. I backed everything off to 0ms for delay for now......i did notice something odd however.....the first two inputs would scroll at 0.1ms and the ones that came up as 60ms to start with would scroll in 1.0ms steps......i've backed them all off to 0ms...now if i adjust delay on any input, it will move in 1.0ms steps.....i noticed manual sez 0.1ms increments...strange huh?

I read in a previous reply that the dialed in delay is a feature of the new firmware. This makes no sense even *if* it is *assumed* that we're all using upconverting players.

Fwiw, other than the relay-clicking, it's dead silent when i change inputs or change channels on my DVR....i'm using balanced to my amp.
Which is The Way Things Oughta Be.

Razvanel

10-14-05, 07:19 PM

Well, I picked up my 5th unit on Wednesday. It had the same problem as unit #4. ( switched inputs by itself when using the Ch Sel button on the remote). It seems that IR Japan has been able to duplicate the problem and is trying to fix it.

More on unit # 5: it sounded completely different than unit # 4. Unit 4 had a warm and soft sound while unit 5 was very detailed and airy but at the same time very bright and 'thin' ( very close soundwise to the Anthem D1). Impressive sound at first but after 10 minutes of listening to it I got a headache. I returned unit # 5 and got back unit # 4.

R

Evanfew

10-14-05, 07:44 PM

Raz, you must be so exasperated by now. I know I am. I finally got a call from Brian at IR, and he walked me through some new tricks. He did not seem to want to provide me with the phone number where I can reach him, so I spent several hours today waiting for him to call me back. We performed a complete reset, and the issue of the Dolby Digital center channel not working was briefly fixed. It started happening again a few hours later. I guess I need a new unit as well.

He had me hold down the Video1 input button, and then press the Setup button on the front panel. This brought up a menu called "DVI-on/off. He had me set it to the on the position. After once again pulling out all my equipment (including the 60 inch television) and doing a rewire, it appears I am now able to use the HDMI module with my Onkyo SP 1000. However, there still seems to be an occasional dropout that lasts a two to three seconds with the video. I will spend more time this weekend investigating.

I cannot believe how much time and energy I have spent trying to get these processors to work properly. This is no longer a pleasurable activity that brings joy, it's just a lot of work. However, it sure sounds awfully good when it works.

Evan

Razvanel

10-14-05, 08:47 PM

However, it sure sounds awfully good when it works.

I myself don't know how the RDC-7.1 is supposed to sound:

1st unit: a little bright
2nd unit: very warm
3rd unit: doa
4th unit: very warm
5th unit: very bright

The difference in sound between units 4 and 5 was huge, even my wife - who doesn't care much about audio - noticed it.

R

Razvanel

10-14-05, 08:52 PM

I cannot believe how much time and energy I have spent trying to get these processors to work properly. This is no longer a pleasurable activity that brings joy, it's just a lot of work.

I know how you feel. I was practically a beta tester for the Anthem D1 and now I am a beta tester for the RDC-7.1. Depressing.

R

anthonymoody

10-15-05, 11:36 AM

The price of living on the cutting edge ;)

TM

pepar

10-15-05, 11:41 AM

I myself don't know how the RDC-7.1 is supposed to sound:

1st unit: a little bright
2nd unit: very warm
3rd unit: doa
4th unit: very warm
5th unit: very bright

That's WAY too many data points.

APS

10-15-05, 01:42 PM

.......sorry to hear you guys are having issues. I wonder how many rdc7.1 IR is shipping? I've always wondered what sort of volumes are seen for upper range pieces. Mine has been bullet proof so far. I've had one odd glitch, mostly my fault i would say......i accidently powered off my dvd right at the point when rdc would have been syncing up with dts data stream.....at which point the display went crazy...all characters lit up but rapidly, randomly, scrolling....kinda like a slot machine. Actually, i was hoping the door would've slid open and a bunch of change dump out, but no such luck. :)

gimp

10-15-05, 01:43 PM

Razvanel

10-15-05, 02:11 PM

Mine has been bullet proof so far.

I've only had one problem with unit # 4: the Ch Sel button problem and this seems to be a software realated problem that Onkyo is trying to find a fix for.

What bothers me is the sound difference between units, unit # 4 has a tube-like sound, very warm, while unit # 5 was very bright. If you read the Audioholics review of the RDC-7.1 you might notice that sound wise they rated the 7.1 lower than both the RDC-7 and the Integra 9.4 processor. I wonder if the review unit they got was a bright sounding one.

R

APS

10-15-05, 02:36 PM

....i haven't been able to reproduce that glitch.

Well as for A'holics view of the sound...i try not to pay attention too much to that stuff cause it's so subjective.....are they really reviewing rdc7 vs 7.1 vs 9.4 under completely identical sonic conditions?... ...be that as it may, you are probably one of the few people who could judge this since you have had several examples on your own sound-system / acoustic environment.

I would say my rdc7.1 sounds detailed/forward/bright....but that's the sound my NHTs are known
for...i also think it sounded very similar to my buddy's rdc7 i've tried out, allbeit briefly, on my system. Compared to other topline Onkyo products i've owned: 919 and for 8 years a 939thx
these sound warmer....maybe.

Is it possible that something is 'stuck' for want of a better word somewhere in the menu?.....i know things like 'delay' have had changes from one firmware revision to another.....maybe somehting burried in the menus need reset. Fwiw, when i set up mine i started with a hard-reset first after the first power up, then setup. my settings.

Btw, when you register your unit....where are you taking the SN from?...mine has 4 stickers all with different numbers.......one on top front....two on bottom side edge...one of which looks official
and one on back with manf date too....alll different numbers.

Razvanel

10-15-05, 03:05 PM

I would say my rdc7.1 sounds detailed/forward/bright....but that's the sound my NHTs are known
for...i also think it sounded very similar to my buddy's rdc7 i've tried out, allbeit briefly, on my system. Compared to other topline Onkyo products i've owned: 919 and for 8 years a 939thx
these sound warmer....maybe.

When was your RDC-7.1 manufactured? The warm 7.1's were made in December 2004, the very bright one in June 2005. The bright unit sounded almost identical to the two Anthem D1's I had, maybe even more detailed than the D1's. Fans of the Anthem sound would have loved my 5th RDC-7.1.

My RDC-7 wasn't bright at all, it was warm but not as warm as the RDC-7.1 I have now.

R

Razvanel

10-15-05, 03:10 PM

Is it possible that something is 'stuck' for want of a better word somewhere in the menu?.....i know things like 'delay' have had changes from one firmware revision to another.....maybe somehting burried in the menus need reset.

Nope, identical settings for all units. Same settings, different sound. The difference in sound was obvious, my wife noticed it too.

R

APS

10-15-05, 03:11 PM

......there's a white sticker on back with July 2005 and 'a' serial number........one of 4 stickers......is this thee serial number for unit??

Razvanel

10-15-05, 03:14 PM

Btw, when you register your unit....where are you taking the SN from?...mine has 4 stickers all with different numbers.......one on top front....two on bottom side edge...one of which looks official
and one on back with manf date too....alll different numbers.

I haven't registered any of my units. The serial number and the manufacturing date are both on the back of the unit, by the power cord connector.

R

Razvanel

10-15-05, 03:16 PM

......there's a white sticker on back with July 2005 and 'a' serial number........one of 4 stickers......is this thee serial number for unit??

Yes, that's the serial number. Does it end in a 'B' or in an 'F'? Apparently the December 2004 units are warmer sounding than the June/July 2005 units.

R

APS

10-15-05, 03:16 PM

......i figured that was the proper one, a bit confusing with 3 other stickers on unit, one on side with model number etc and another serial number, allbeit of different format.

APS

10-15-05, 03:18 PM

..it ends with 'F'.

Razvanel

10-15-05, 03:29 PM

..it ends with 'F'.

So did the June 2005 unit. The December 2004 units end with B.

R

Krobar

10-16-05, 01:35 PM

I got a rather nice Integra Bar Set when I registered my unit.

Razvanel

10-23-05, 11:23 AM

Has anyone noticed a difference in volume between the AM/FM tuner input and the other inputs? My tuner is 3-4 db lower than all other inputs - CD, DVD, satellite, etc.

R

Evanfew

10-31-05, 02:00 PM

My unit has altogether crapped out. No sound whatsoever. The front display works, and it correctly identifies the type of signal I'm feeding it. But no sound from any input. I have been informed that they are waiting to receive a new sound card that can be exchanged? I have also been told that there will be no additional efforts made to fix the HDMI module because they can do nothing else to make it work with my Samsung DLP. Complete bummer. I would not have bought this unit it if not for its video switching capabilities. My Geffen external HDMI switcher has worked perfectly for the past two years with my DLP monitor. I don't understand why IR/Onkyo cannot accomplish what Geffen has.

These processors have been a never-ending nightmare of switching connections, waiting on tech support, exchanging units, and Cirque du Soleil like (holding down three buttons at once in a precise order) dance to reprogram the units. Meanwhile, my audio video processor does neither. I am now officially out of patience and very sorry I bought this product. The unit sounds wonderful on the rare occasion it actually does what it was designed to (and what I paid for), and my dealer are a great bunch of guys. But at this point, I would really just like my money back and to start again with another manufacturer.

Evan

Razvanel

10-31-05, 02:19 PM

My unit has altogether crapped out.

Evan, are you talking about your second unit or its replacement?

R

Evanfew

10-31-05, 02:27 PM

I am still with my second unit. I thought they were about to give me a third unit, but was informed this morning that they are going to change out the audio card inside the unit instead. I hope this suffices to fix this unit I'm currently using. My first unit did not have any issues other than the HDMI card that did not work properly.

Evan

gimp

10-31-05, 05:24 PM

pepar

10-31-05, 06:44 PM

I am so looking forward to the day I can move up from my RDC-7 to the RDC-7.1. It's so boring to have a unit that turns on and works perfectly every time.

(Sorry, couldn't resist. :) )

APS

10-31-05, 08:39 PM

........i guess i'm glad i have no hdmi connectors in my system.

Mine actually did the 'no sound ' trick...i thought i had a crash, but i realised i accidentally shut off 'Main A' with my Onkyo 939 remote (i put it away now ;) )...of course i didn't notice the 'Main A' indicator went out right away......yes i'm a dumbass.

My only 'complaint' is that piercing blue input switch light.....what's the sense of having a dimmable display but having arc-welder lights around the switches you can't shut off?? Must be an Onklyo thing, my 939 was similar in that regard.

Evanfew

10-31-05, 11:08 PM

APS,

You're right, you are a dumb ass. In fact, that maybe the stupidest thing I've ever heard of. I can't believe you don't even have enough dignity to keep yourself from sharing such stupidity on this forum.

However, I am particularly glad you did, because that is exactly what was wrong with my unit. Now I can feel like a dumb ass too. :o

Now here's the thing, I know for a fact I never switched off "main A", so why on earth it switched itself off is beyond my comprehension. Is this a new way in which the unit is bugging out? It's no longer freaking out as badly in regards to locking onto the center channel during Dolby Digital signals. But it has begun to act up with Dolby Pro Logic II, where it does exactly the opposite, and only the center channel works. I'm now worried that this is not a problem with the sound card. I'm beginning to think it's an issue with the DSP itself. Then again, I'm obviously an idiot, and should probably cease-and-desist all intelligent speculation.

Evan

APS

10-31-05, 11:33 PM

...lol!....hell i'm just trying to get by on the few brain cells i have left. On the Onkyo remote there are discrete keys for Main A, Main B and Speakers Off.....i don't think these codes exist on IR remote
(don't have it in front of me). I ended up trying out some of the discrete functions on 939 remote, along with the main A issue...a couple of the discrete commands from 939 remote seemd to momentarily lockup inputs on IR....needless to say i stopped using the 939 remote. It's too bad your
having these difficulties.......if there are channels dropping out, maybe they can replace the whole unit, but i know what your saying, enough already. If you end up 'tapping out' as it were on the IR, i would look into Bryston's new Pre/Pro, which is due to be released imminently.......can't beat Bryston build quality and customer service & that dang old 20 year warranty.

Andy.

Razvanel

10-31-05, 11:38 PM

But it has begun to act up with Dolby Pro Logic II, where it does exactly the opposite, and only the center channel works.

Using what sources? Some sources - radio for example - are worse than others and with some sources I sometimes get sound from the center speaker only. And is the problem with both DPLII Movie and DPLII Music? DPLII Movie emphasizes the center channel, try the Music mode and see if you have the same problem.

R

Les H

11-01-05, 12:12 PM

I myself don't know how the RDC-7.1 is supposed to sound:

1st unit: a little bright
2nd unit: very warm
3rd unit: doa
4th unit: very warm
5th unit: very bright

The difference in sound between units 4 and 5 was huge, even my wife - who doesn't care much about audio - noticed it.

R

But, like the guy whose feet were in a freezer and whose head was in an oven, on average you were fine.

I'm holding onto my RDC-7 until things settle down with the newer unit.

Les

Razvanel

11-01-05, 12:17 PM

I'm holding onto my RDC-7 until things settle down with the newer unit.

2015!

R

pepar

11-01-05, 12:22 PM

I'm holding onto my RDC-7 until things settle down with the newer unit.
Roger on that! And maybe beyond as, for me, there are no compelling features on the 7.1 over the 7.

ArtV

11-01-05, 01:34 PM

I don't know about that, it looks like it has one huge advantage. I'd say the RDC 7.1 is the most exciting processor available. You don't know what you are going to get!

ArtV

anthonymoody

11-01-05, 02:35 PM

Everyday an adventure :) ;) :D

I'm almost afraid to say this - I'll have to knock on wood a bunch - but my 7.1 has been working fine.

TM

Razvanel

11-01-05, 02:38 PM

I'm almost afraid to say this - I'll have to knock on wood a bunch - but my 7.1 has been working fine.

A fine working RDC-7.1 is a miracle.

R

APS

11-01-05, 02:55 PM

...maybe it was that extra bumpy ride mine went through via UPS......double box was broke through & a couple of the styro ' corners were crushed somewhat......maybe all it needs is a good industrial sized shaking? I bet House Of Tools must have some sort of industrial sized paint shaker
y'all could strap your buggy IR's to for a bit....maybe that's the ticket? That probably wasn't funny.....i know. don't quit my day job.

Any more rumors of a 1.10 firmware?...maybe some of these last few bugs will be squished then.....

Andy.

bkzoller

11-01-05, 02:55 PM

A fine working RDC-7.1 is a miracle.

R

The moral of the story is, if you get one that's working, hang onto it. Your next one might not work as well. ;)

Mine doesn't have the HDMI module, so I've avoided that whole range of issues for now. The other main issue seems to be the center channel volume level, or completely losing that channel, which I have not noticed. The other problems are related to the remote control giving undesirable behavior like shutting off all audio and switching inputs when adjusting speaker levels. Does that sum things up?

Brian

HDRulez

11-01-05, 03:18 PM

JohnnyRose

11-01-05, 03:26 PM

Well my RDC 7.1 has yet to be tested. Ive had it for about 3-4 weeks now but without my speakers, I cant do much.

I am in the middle of making all the interconnects today and have a question that I believe is relatively simple for 7.1 owners.

If I use Optical Digital Input #1, does that prohibit me from using Coax Digital Input #1? Same question goes for the Video Inputs. If I use Component Video Input #1, does that prohibit me from using the S-Video #1 Input and/or the Composite #1 Video input?

What about outputs?

Thanks and I hope when I fire this thing up, its going to be a "miracle" one.

Thanks again.

John

bkzoller

11-01-05, 03:54 PM

All of the inputs and outputs are set independently, so you can use Coax Digital #1 and S-video #1 for the first logical input, Optical Digital #1 and Component #1 as the second logical input and Analog Stereo #1 and Composite #1 as the third logical input. The outputs can be configured to belong to different zones or all in the same zone. You can also assign the outputs as "recorder outputs" to be paired with one of the logical inputs.

Brian

APS

11-01-05, 04:08 PM

I am an owner of an Integra DTC-9.4 and was looking forward to the day of upgrading it to an IR flagship preamp. After reading this thread and all the problems I'm not so sure. How is IR about upgrading/fixing their firmware? What is the lifecycle of a Research piece. It seems the regular Integra line seems to update about once a year. Is there a RDC-7.2 due out anytime soon or is that something that is a long time away?

....not to worry, i would bet the vast majority of them work....otherwise the IR division would have recalled them or bankrupted themselves or both. I thoroughly read the thread and still bought my 7.1. That's what 'Owners' Threads' usually accentuate, issues......but what sort of actual failure rate has their been?

As far as lifecycle......no not a yearly turnover....i think it was 3 years (more ?) betwixt 7.0 and 7.1, but the 7.1 has employed a card cage design, so i wouldn't doubt that it will be longer between a major chassis revision. Or, a *.1 change a bit sooner with cross-platform compatible cards. Now that's what should happen...but i guess ulitmatelyy it's up to the bean counters and not engineering. It would be a ton of wasted effort in IR engineering if the card-cage chassis didn't buy them more longevity, what would the point have been....i mean how many 7.1's are they cranking out?

There have been several firmware revsions so far....maybe 6 -7?.....over the course of roughly a year.

JohnnyRose

11-02-05, 09:51 AM

Brian,

Thanks for the info. I spent several hours wiring the 7.1 yesterday and hope to try it out this week with some older speakers.

John

anthonymoody

11-02-05, 10:39 AM

And to provide a touch more detail to APS reply to the question, the fw updates have generally been made available for download (though there was a scare at one point that they might stop doing this, not sure how/if that was resolved), and installation is handled via 9-pin cable connection from a PC.

TM

JohnnyRose

11-03-05, 10:19 AM

bkzoller

11-03-05, 11:16 AM

Yes, that's normal. DPLIIx uses however many channels are available between 2.0 and 6.1 to generate the signals for all 7.1 channels. If you don't want to use that mode for DD, there are settings under Listening Modes -> Dolby Digital.

Check into the Universal Remote Controls MX-850 remote if you like a remote with lots of buttons. That's what I use for controlling the RDC-7.1 and everything else. You attach the remote to your computer to program it, and they have a database of preprogrammed codes to choose from. Integra preprogrammed codes work on the IR, and those include almost all of the codes you need. There is also an LCD next to 10 of the buttons where you can add your own labels. Others prefer the Pronto touchscreen remotes.

Brian

APS

11-03-05, 11:17 AM

Finished wiring my 7.1 last night and have a couple questions.

I was watching a music DVD which was apparently coded in DD5.1. The receiver used PLIIX to decode it. Is that normal. To check I put in the new Star Wars DVD and something interesting happened. During the THX intro, the 7.1 indicated Dolby EX but once the intro ended and the movie began, it swithced to PLIIX.

My other question is in regard to the remote. I was planning on getting a universal remote for WAF purposes. Can the 7.1 inputs be programmed into a new remote. With that thumb wheel, it would appear there are not specific IR signals assigned to each input selection.

I finished the wiring late last night so I didnt get to mess around with much but today is a different story.

Thanks again.

John

Afaik each input has the ability to set what type of sound decoding you want to use for *each* type of data stream......so you may have several different presets for say Coax Digital 1, ie) when i see DD5.1 use THX Cinema, when i see 3 channel use DPLIIx, if i see DTS give me pure DTS etc etc....and then on to your next input. So it must be just defaulting to DPLIIx for now until you set it up. It's all in the menu.

I have discrete inputs for vid1 to 3 for an Onkyo 939 receiver from it's remote, that i use with a
'scroll increment' from scroll wheel on IR remote to give me 'DVD' input .....i'm using a Philips Pronto.

Andy.

APS

11-03-05, 11:25 AM

Check into the Universal Remote Controls MX-850 remote if you like a remote with lots of buttons. That's what I use for controlling the RDC-7.1 and everything else. You attach the remote to your computer to program it, and they have a database of preprogrammed codes to choose from. Integra preprogrammed codes work on the IR, and those include almost all of the codes you need. There is also an LCD next to 10 of the buttons where you can add your own labels. Others prefer the Pronto touchscreen remotes.

Brian

....Brian, on the MX 850 is that screen a touchscreen as well, or simply a display? ...i'm thinking the latter. I'm thinking of scrapping my beat up old original Pronto and going with somethng more 'button-centric'.

Andy.

bkzoller

11-03-05, 11:30 AM

....Brian, on the MX 850 is that screen a touchscreen as well, or simply a display? ...i'm thinking the latter. I'm thinking of scrapping my beat up old original Pronto and going with somethng more 'button-centric'.

Andy.

It's simply a display. Each of the buttons has room for a five character label. It helps for those special-purpose buttons like Thumbs Up on the TiVo or Random on a CD player. Of course, you have to get creative on the abbreviations. ;) They do have an actual touchscreen on the MX-1000 (several years old) or the MX-3000.

Brian

pepar

11-03-05, 11:36 AM

APS

11-03-05, 12:15 PM

It's simply a display. Each of the buttons has room for a five character label. It helps for those special-purpose buttons like Thumbs Up on the TiVo or Random on a CD player. Of course, you have to get creative on the abbreviations. ;) They do have an actual touchscreen on the MX-1000 (several years old) or the MX-3000.

Brian

......gotcha. No, i think i've had my fill of touchscreens....i think they are tremendously overrated....at least as a handheld....maybe i'm just fed up with the philps, time for a change.

Razvanel

11-03-05, 02:30 PM

......gotcha. No, i think i've had my fill of touchscreens....i think they are tremendously overrated....at least as a handheld....maybe i'm just fed up with the philps, time for a change.

I too have the MX-850 and it's an excellent remote. PM me if you're interested in getting it for a great price from an authorized dealer.

R

ArtV

11-04-05, 09:53 AM

I have the Logitech Harmony 880 and it is excellent.

While it is far from useful, installing a slideshow of my daughter in the remote's display is about the most wonderful 'gadgety' thing I have seen.

Razvanel

11-08-05, 02:33 PM

Raz, are you using balanced connections to the amp? Did your Anthem D1 make any noise through the speakers when changing inputs?

Is there anyone using balanced connections to the amp that DON'T get thumps, pops or other noise through the speakers when any of the following actions occur?

If you use balanced connections and get noise through the speakers, in what situations does it occur?
a) input change
b) listening mode change
c) stb channel change
d) all of the above

OK, I just got the Integra Research RDA-7.1 amp and I am using the balanced connections. I do get a popping sound from the rear speaker(s) when I change inputs and listening modes.

R

pepar

11-08-05, 03:14 PM

OK, I just got the Integra Research RDA-7.1 amp and I am using the balanced connections. I do get a popping sound from the rear speaker(s) when I change inputs and listening modes.

R
This is not normal and sounds like a pre/pro problem. It should be dead silent during all switching operations. But I'm guessing you knew that. ;-)

BTW, otherwise, how does the RDA-7 sound, and what did you replace?

Razvanel

11-08-05, 04:01 PM

This is not normal and sounds like a pre/pro problem. It should be dead silent during all switching operations. But I'm guessing you knew that. ;-)

BTW, otherwise, how does the RDA-7 sound, and what did you replace?

It seems that most, if not all, RDC-7.1's have the popping problem when using balanced connections.

I have the RDA-7.1, not the RDA-7. I had both the RDA-7.1 and the RDA-7 at home and I liked the RDA-7.1 more - I found its sound to be a little smoother and warmer- so that's the one I bought. It replaced a Parasound amp.

R

pepar

11-08-05, 04:16 PM

It seems that most, if not all, RDC-7.1's have the popping problem when using balanced connections.

R
From reading this thread, I surmised as much. And that's just wrong. Honestly, after the experience(s) you've had with IR, I'm surprised that you purchased another of their products. What are their redeeming qualities? As bad as they are, they're still one of the best?

Razvanel

11-08-05, 05:15 PM

From reading this thread, I surmised as much. And that's just wrong. Honestly, after the experience(s) you've had with IR, I'm surprised that you purchased another of their products. What are their redeeming qualities? As bad as they are, they're still one of the best?

The RDA-7.1 is not really an IR product - the amp was designed by BAT and ATI and built by ATI. On my list of amps I had the RDA-7.1, the Gemstone, and the ATI 2007. From what I read here and elsewhere both the Gemstone and the ATI are forward sounding amps and I myself prefer a warmer sounding amp. I heard the RDA-7.1 at home, liked it, bought it.

R

gimp

11-08-05, 06:31 PM

OK, I just got the Integra Research RDA-7.1 amp and I am using the balanced connections. I do get a popping sound from the rear speaker(s) when I change inputs and listening modes.

R

Both my RDC-7.1s have done with my Lexicon LX-7 using balanced connections.

gimp

11-08-05, 06:44 PM

From reading this thread, I surmised as much. And that's just wrong. Honestly, after the experience(s) you've had with IR, I'm surprised that you purchased another of their products. What are their redeeming qualities? As bad as they are, they're still one of the best?

Given my own experience with O/I/IR extremely poor product quality and even worse customer service I would never ever buy another one of their products. Redeeming qualities? There's the downloadable firmware updates. Wait a minute, they pulled the firmware months ago without notification and never replaced it. Well lets see, there are those obsolete proof modules. HDMIx4 1.1 or 1.2? Nope. HD Radio? Nada. Sat Radio? Sorry.

mfb

11-08-05, 07:34 PM

Confirmed the popping sound with my 7.1 and sub via balanced. Changed out to a single ended RCA to eliminate. Other than this issue, I have no other issues with the IR. Had it since 1/05. May be one of the lucky ones....

m

APS

11-08-05, 08:16 PM

...no 'popping sound' here. I have balanced into a Bryston......must be that special Bryston anti-popomatic circuit. There's a solenoid click for any input change or surround format change....i assume people aren't talking about that.

Razvanel

11-08-05, 08:40 PM

Confirmed the popping sound with my 7.1 and sub via balanced. Changed out to a single ended RCA to eliminate

The problem with that is that my RDA-7.1 sounds much better when using balanced connections than when using RCA.

R

APS

11-08-05, 08:47 PM

The problem with that is that my RDA-7.1 sounds much better when using balanced connections than when using RCA.

R

...maybe he meant he was just hearing a 'pop' on his sub....so just that balanced. Actually i guess i'm not balanced all around either....my sub only has single ended input. What's the deal with this pop anyways......is it when you switch from one input to another with both sources transmitting a data stream?...or with one input source live and the other down?...is it only when sound format changes as well?........not hearing anything on mine any which way...only a subtle click for input and a double click for input+decode changes.

pepar

11-08-05, 11:19 PM

The problem with that is that my RDA-7.1 sounds much better when using balanced connections than when using RCA.

R
That probably shouildn't be viewed as a problem. :)

pepar

11-08-05, 11:23 PM

...maybe he meant he was just hearing a 'pop' on his sub....so just that balanced. Actually i guess i'm not balanced all around either....my sub only has single ended input. What's the deal with this pop anyways......is it when you switch from one input to another with both sources transmitting a data stream?...or with one input source live and the other down?...is it only when sound format changes as well?........not hearing anything on mine any which way...only a subtle click for input and a double click for input+decode changes.
Even though my sub amp is single-ended, I run a balanced line from the pre/pro in the rear of the room to the PEQ, a balanced line out of the PEQ into a baluns transformer and into the sub amp, all in the front of the room. Only the last foot or two is unbalanced. The entire 7.0 chain is balanced, with the ATI 2007 having some sort of "balanced" circuitry feature to further benefit from it.

ArtV

11-09-05, 10:34 AM

Hello both happy and unhappy RDC 7.1 owners,

The following is copied from a post in another forum which received no reply.

I have an RDC 7.1 with a net tune card. I have converted me CD collection to MP3 via EAC using the LAME encoder at 320 kBits/s. I have my system hard wired to my computer and have been generally pleased with the results. Does anyone know what the highest quality compressed format Net-Tune will handle? It is my understanding that it will not play wma files ripped with Windows Media Player 10 and I have no wish to switch to Windows Media 9.

Thanks in advance.

ArtV

pepar

11-09-05, 11:49 AM

bkzoller

11-09-05, 05:09 PM

IMO, Onkyo should stick the circuit board from a Slim Devices SqueezeBox 3 (http://www.slimdevices.com/) onto one of their modules and call it Net-Tune 2. The SB3 seems to have support for more file formats than Net-Tune does. :rolleyes:

Brian

gimp

11-09-05, 05:24 PM

...What's the deal with this pop anyways......is it when you switch from one input to another with both sources transmitting a data stream?...or with one input source live and the other down?...is it only when sound format changes as well?........not hearing anything on mine any which way...only a subtle click for input and a double click for input+decode changes.

My pop/thump is not a solenoid click, it comes from all speakers. It occurs under the following circumstances:
- change inputs
- input changes format (e.g., DD2.0->DD5.1)
- TiVo pause
- TiVo channel change

ArtV

11-09-05, 05:43 PM

Hello all,

Pepar, I meant hello all IR users, both happy and unhappy.

Regarding hooking up my computer to my IR, it is not possible. My computer is on the third floor while my IR is on the first floor. Additionally, how would I control the music and how would I see a display on my TV?

Besides the Roku HD1000 (which I own), does anyone know of a stable wireless server with an on-screen display that handles higher quality compressed files than 320 kbps mp3?

ArtV

bkzoller

11-09-05, 05:47 PM

Besides the Roku HD1000 (which I own), does anyone know of a stable wireless server with an on-screen display that handles higher quality compressed files than 320 kbps mp3?

Yes, read my previous post. Squeezebox 3 comes in wired and wireless versions.

Edit: By on-screen display, do you mean a video output? When I first read your question, I was thinking you meant the VFD display on the device. There is no video output on the SB3. You can control the device through the web interface from a PC web browser or with the remote control.

Brian

mfb

11-09-05, 06:41 PM

Clarification:

My popping was only from my velodyne sub (DD15). I have not experienced any popping from my speakers (seven channels balanced thru a Sherbourn amp).

I noticed it when changing tivo channels (could be due to the audio format changes). I'll run thru this again to clarify.

ArtV

11-09-05, 07:54 PM

bkzoller,

Unfortunately, I do need an on-TV-screen device. I understand how the slimbox works and it looks like but for the on-TV-screen limitation, it would be great. I am happy with the net-tune but you know how it goes, always looking for something better. By the way, I was answering pepar's suggestion about hooking up my computer's digital output to the IR. You suggestion would make for a spectacular net tune device.

ArtV

bkzoller

11-09-05, 08:03 PM

Ok, there was a slight misunderstanding on my part earlier. Now it is clear to me what you need.

I haven't actually seen Net-Tune in action. Does it integrate with the OSD of the RDC-7.1 to display on the TV what music is playing? I have an HTPC connected to my main display, so I have already implemented pepar's suggestion. :)

Brian

ArtV

11-09-05, 09:51 PM

bkzoller

Yes, it displays the track, track number time (either elapsed or remaining). etc. You can sort the the tracks by artist, album or track title and you can use the remote to do a search by the first letter (which saves a lot of scrolling). The display is output to the TV via the HDMI cable or whatever output is being used. The highest compressed bit rate I have been able to get it to play is 320 kbps which with lame and eac sounds pretty good. They make the music downloads of years ago that are encoded at 128kbps and even 192kbps sound like crap. I have cat 5 cable run from my third floor computer into my IR on the first floor. Knock on wood, it is completely stable and works as smoothly as a CD player.

The actual internet audio is crap, very few servers work and the streaming audio quality is horrible. In any event, I am using it solely to listen to the music off my computer and for that it works great. My only wish is that it worked with at least one compressed lossless codec. The on screen display could be better but who cares, it gets the job done. As I said, 320 mp3 via lame and eac sounds pretty good. Considering how little it cost and how much I use it, it's fantastic. Given how often the ROKU HD1000 locks up and the stability problems and the bugs I hear about with the other Audio/Video streaming devices, it really is spectacular (and real).

Having said all this, it will probably break.

ArtV

Razvanel

11-12-05, 04:14 PM

The RDA-7.1 is not really an IR product - the amp was designed by BAT and ATI and built by ATI

I just got an e-mail from BAT and according to them the RDA-7.1 "was completely designed by BAT, production shifted to ATI".

R

APS

11-12-05, 06:40 PM

I just got an e-mail from BAT and according to them the RDA-7.1 "was completely designed by BAT, production shifted to ATI".

R

....hay i was talkin to a buddy and his Bryston pre/pro does the thumpa-pop trick on input changes too over balanced.......he claims this is a 'balanced thing' and is common on a lot of balanced setups....(can't say i have enough experience or knowledge on the subject to support or refute that claim) sez he just programs a mute on/off along with input change macros fwiw.

pepar

11-12-05, 07:32 PM

....hay i was talkin to a buddy and his Bryston pre/pro does the thumpa-pop trick on input changes too over balanced.......he claims this is a 'balanced thing' and is common on a lot of balanced setups....(can't say i have enough experience or knowledge on the subject to support or refute that claim) sez he just programs a mute on/off along with input change macros fwiw.
There's absolutely nothing about using balanced lines that would cause thumping.

JohnnyRose

11-12-05, 08:17 PM

Finally!

I hooked my RDC 7.1 today (to a Gemstone) and tried it out. Now Ive only had it working for about 1 hour now and Im trying to figure this thing out which as of this point, its winning.

First. My 7.1 does the thump/click thing on input changes. I used XLR connections.

I listened to a DVD in DD 5.1 and it sounds great!

Here is my first problem Ive encountered and I hope its just me doing something studpid but I have a feeling its not.....

I have a Sony DVD/CD/SACD player hooked up to the Multi-Channel Input #1 of the RDC 7.1. All I hear is the sub. However, when I switch inputs on the fly and back to Video 7 (SACD), the audio comes out fine for about 3-5 seconds and then crackles and craps out again.

Do I have to make any other changes in the setup other than to assign Multi Channel Input #1 to Video 7. Do I have to do anything in the "Listening Mode Setup".

I sure hope its me but I have a feeling that the SACD crapping out after I hear it is not a good sign.

Thanks!

John

APS

11-12-05, 08:28 PM

There's absolutely nothing about using balanced lines that would cause thumping.

.......yeah well, i'm not saying i agreed with him. :)

APS

11-12-05, 08:34 PM