Originally posted by rkhobbit

2. Does any or all 3 units simultaneously output SD signal out composite or S-Video outputs?

If Yes.. Does it do this even though I'm watching an HD SAT channel such as HBOHD or DiscoveryHD? Does it downconvert the HD SAT signal to SD for simultaneous output via S-video or composite?



Partial answer:

the HD300 (if you are using component out, NOT DVI) can output SD to both the S-video and Composite. Yes, even when watching HD.

I have a quick question about the remote that comes with the Hughes HTL-HD, specifically the 'Input' button (which I know is used to change from Video 1 to Video 2 to Video 3 and so on). Is there any way I can program it so that I don't have to hit the "TV" button at the top of the remote first. Because right now, if I hit the "SAT" up top and then try the 'Input' button, nothing happens. What I want is to hit the "SAT" button, and have the "Input" button work and not have to back to the top of the remote again. Any ideas?

Does anyone know how to get the channel banner to come up when you change the channel? I am having to push "info" to see what im watching. Only the channel Logo shows when i change channels.

Originally posted by kicker147
Does anyone know how to get the channel banner to come up when you change the channel? I am having to push "info" to see what im watching. Only the channel Logo shows when i change channels.


In the setup menu go to:

PREFERENCE->ADVANCED->BANNER STYLE and change it from "Small" to either "Medium" or "Large"

If I connect a new htl-hd will it update automatically to 2.0?

Originally posted by abarsami
If I connect a new htl-hd will it update automatically to 2.0?
It might take a day but yes it will upgrade to 2.0.

I have been having OTA problems with the HD300 for the past several months. I always blamed the local stations for the problem . Live 40 miles from the ant. Last night I swapped outthe HD 300 and replacedit with an HD 200 unit.. All the OTA problems were resolved. Some stations that I only got the 4.1 now has 4.2 4.3 etc. All signal strengths were very high. On the HD 300 were in the BAD range. Did more testing and swaping and discovered that the HD 300 is the problem. It appears that the HD 300 has a problem with the OTA tuners. I have looled over this thread for the last year, and many people reported the same problems. We have another 300 installed in another city ( son's house ) and similar problems show up. All the HD 300's are the C version.

We wil call D tv and Sony on this one. The units are covered by D tv repair plans. We will see what they replace them with..

Originally posted by SBCMike
I have been having OTA problems with the HD300 for the past several months....It appears that the HD 300 has a problem with the OTA tuners...... All the HD 300's are the C version.

We will see what they replace them with..

What's the "C" version? The replacement they sent me recently for the LG LSS 3200a was the RCA DTC 210.

Hi Guys! I am planning to connect LG LSS-3200A to my dish. How do I check the current firmware version? If it is not current then would it update itself automatically or do I need to call D*? Thanks.

Vinod -

I have the Sony DD-300 which is made by LG and is basically the same model.

To check to see the current firmware:

Menu
System
System Info
System Upgrade

This will show you the Current Version of the firmware.
The latest version, which was made available Sept. 2004,
is Version 2.01.00.

Someone else will have to help you about whether Direct continues to send the update, and if you have to call Direct. If you have to call Direct, just be aware that too many of the Customer Reps may very well not have any idea what you're talking about - don't give up. You have one of the best STBs currenly available. Enjoy!!!

Gary

Thanks Gary. Appreciate your help.

Anybody know if DirecTV is still sending the updates for the HD300? I had one idle while my addition was being built and now I have old firmware that says its updating every couple minutes. Very annoying! I just turned it on today with DirecTV and hopefully will see an update soon. Is there a way to force an update?

Thanks,

Ron

Ronomy:

You probably saw my post in the other thread, but for the benefit of the others......

DirecTV apparently is no longer updating receivers via software updates in the data stream. They much prefer to support a single unit (H20) and let everybody think that the older units MUST be replaced, regardless how much you paid for them and prefer them to the H20. After a very long discussion with a level 3 CSR (we've all been there......) I gave up and decided to go another route.

I have two brand new Sony HD300's - never updated, never activated. I sent one off to Sony Service in Pennsylvania and got it back in a week all updated. $84 including return shipping. The other is being shipped out tomorrow.

Start here: http://eservice.sony.com/webrma/web/index.do

SFPegasus:

What version of the software do you have now? I have the version 2.01 satellite update for the HD300 and there are still a few "issues." For example: When setting a manual timer program the day indicator changes to the following day at 4:00 PM instead of at midnight.

Well, that 2.01.00 *is* the current version and no more updates are planned.

I haven't had time to check out that particular issue, but I'm sure you'll hear from me when I do. I think I remember reading somewhere on the web (tivo community?) that there was a workaround or fix. Try some searches on google to start.

That's how I figured out this software issue. It only took me a month (!) to figure it out The program timer issue might take more time. :)

pretty quiet around here...aren't we at least going to have a pool to see if D* blesses us with any games ?!?!

Last year seemed like everybody had an inside line on what to expect...doesn't look promising thus far.



hoping...moo

i think a lot like me have probably gone on to hd tivo, although there is this ****ing bug where i can't change the screen mode on my kv xbr 34 910, but once you have tivo you just can't go back to realtime tv watching, or i can't, anyway.

pretty quiet around here...aren't we at least going to have a pool to see if D* blesses us with any games ?!?!

Last year seemed like everybody had an inside line on what to expect...doesn't look promising thus far.



hoping...moo

>>> sorry, my mistake, wrong forum !!

Anybody know if DirecTV is still sending the updates for the HD300? I had one idle while my addition was being built and now I have old firmware that says its updating every couple minutes. Very annoying! I just turned it on today with DirecTV and hopefully will see an update soon. Is there a way to force an update?

Thanks,

Ron
What is being updated? Is there a reason to have your stb updated?

hi...TV is 16:9 SONY rear LCD

I have set the Hughes to 720p format and the TV didsplay mode is full (normal)
but if we hit guide it appears on the screen as if it's letterboxed within a 4:3 on the 16:9 TV...ie bars on all 4 sides.

Anybody have any experience with this...haven't tried all the variables re Hughes display formats, but 720p really is the one I want...tried native but Hughes won't allow me to use panaramic in those instances and that is the preferred stretch mode (at the moment)

thanks in advance...moo

hi...TV is 16:9 SONY rear LCD

I have set the Hughes to 720p format and the TV didsplay mode is full (normal)
but if we hit guide it appears on the screen as if it's letterboxed within a 4:3 on the 16:9 TV...ie bars on all 4 sides.

Anybody have any experience with this...haven't tried all the variables re Hughes display formats, but 720p really is the one I want...tried native but Hughes won't allow me to use panaramic in those instances and that is the preferred stretch mode (at the moment)

thanks in advance...moo

well, found some comments in this forum from 2004, so will try changing from 720p to 1080i (long distance troubleshooting for my dad...). I had searched the forum before asking initially but got no relevant hits...then funnily enough I found ref through backdoor with google search....anyhow sounds like it should resolve.

I could really use some help from existing owners that are familiar with how best to do this with these particular receivers...I'm at a bit of a loss at present trying to determine wheher I am specifying the desired channels incorrectly or whether there are signal/pointing issues....the sea of channels that receiver/DirecTV has loaded based on ZIP is not helping me obtain any definitive answer either.

Setup is in Niagara Falls NY...trying to add Canadian HD using 4228 antenna. The local HD channels added automatically and successfully by Zip Code and reception is fine depending on rotor direction, etc...I see that the receiver has mapped them from the actual HD channel numbers to their respective analog equivalent...all that I get, but now I'm not certain what the receiver expects to have keyed re channel numbers when I do it manually.

for example if I have CFTO which is analog ch.9 (vhf) and their HD broadcasting is 40-1, then what will it expect of me when keying in manual channel ?

a) do I specify 40 and then (if found) the receiver will check for 40-1, 40-2, 40-3 and then map it back to ch.9 based on any PSIP info it reads ?

or...

b) do I specify 9 which will somehow locate the HD channels for 40 ?

c) or what ????

So far...it found the ANALOG channel 9 (with uhf antenna no less...even though VHF)...yet nothing found for digital.

similarly CBC (channel 5 analog and 20 HD), I find neither analog nor digital pointing in the same direction even though it is reported to be far stronger signal and broadcast from the same place (CN tower).

Just don't know where to focus my troubleshooting without having been able to add ANY thus far.

Thanks in advance...moo

Perhaps the software isn't programmed to integrate the Canadian channel scheme, even though the receiver is capable of picking up the OTA signal?

Perhaps the software isn't programmed to integrate the Canadian channel scheme, even though the receiver is capable of picking up the OTA signal?


ok (maybe ?) ...but let's skip the specifics of it being Canadian...if the example were more hypothetical and the desired station was US...then what do I need to be keying in for manual addition in the example I illustrated ?

thanks...
I'm near to the point of removing zip code from antenna setup in effort to clear the OTA stations just to see if I can manually add ones that I know exist and are attainable.

You need to enter the actual broadcast channel when manually adding OTA stations, it should be 40 for CTFO. The receiver will then map it to whatever channel it should display as in the guide based on PSIP info.

Yes, that ought to work, as long as the software interface used for the guide is not specifically geared to U.S. PSIP configurations.

Yes, that ought to work, as long as the software interface used for the guide is not specifically geared to U.S. PSIP configurations.

WOW...nice curveball there !!

The channel mapping is in the signal for the station (this PSIP data you refer to I imagine)...what are you suggesting here, that maybe the standards are different and that the receiver's software can't interpret it's content (the Cdn stations PSIP data)?? or are you driving at somethng a little different.

I'm definitely listening !!
I'm used to this problem from a different angle, where DirecTV loads locals/OTA based on ZIP and by doing so it excludes the Canadian stations (the new H20 we have for example does this...as most do...BUT, it has no provision for adding channels manually, which is why we bought the Hughes)

thanks everyone for your comments...moo

You need to enter the actual broadcast channel when manually adding OTA stations, it should be 40 for CTFO. The receiver will then map it to whatever channel it should display as in the guide based on PSIP info.


btw...thx

I could really use some help from existing owners that are familiar with how best to do this with these particular receivers.....


Ok, here's how I did it. First I told it NOT to use local program information for my zipcode. I "killed" (exit button) the LOCAL channel search - right after the SATELLITE channel search - before it could find any stations off the antenna (you can hear it switching) so all that was left was the satellite channels. Then I manually added ONLY the channels I really wanted - say, channel 29, which showed up on the guide as 5.1. If there was a 5.2, 5.3, etc., they would have been added at the same time. Then I added manually the others that I wanted so my guide isn't all cluttered up with junk. You'll have to know what the REAL broadcast channel is.

It was getting a bit too crowded with things like Satellite 9, Local 9, HD 9.1, HD 9.2, HD 9.3, HD 9.4 and HD 9.5 were taking up the whole screen.

The downside to all this is that is that program information does not display in the guide. Example: Satellite 5 will show "CSI: Miami" and Local 5.1 will show "Regular Programming". So I use the satellite 5 when they are broadcasting in SD and the Local 5.1 when they are broadcasting in HD.

Now ......if I could only keep the GEM channel and the CDUSA channel and a few others pathetic channels I never watch from reappearing every time I delete them from the custom guide.......grrrrrrrr.

Regarding the smaller appearance of the program guide when your display is in a higher (720) resolution...... This is because the guide is sized for 480i and does not change as you increase the resolution, therefore appearing smaller on the screen. It's kinda like on your personal computer when you change it to a higher resolution -- all the desktop icons appear to be smaller. Hope this helps.

Ok, here's how I did it. First I told it NOT to use local program information for my zipcode. I "killed" (exit button) the LOCAL channel search - right after the SATELLITE channel search - before it could find any stations off the antenna (you can hear it switching) so all that was left was the satellite channels. Then I manually added ONLY the channels I really wanted - say, channel 29, which showed up on the guide as 5.1. If there was a 5.2, 5.3, etc., they would have been added at the same time. Then I added manually the others that I wanted so my guide isn't all cluttered up with junk. You'll have to know what the REAL broadcast channel is.

It was getting a bit too crowded with things like Satellite 9, Local 9, HD 9.1, HD 9.2, HD 9.3, HD 9.4 and HD 9.5 were taking up the whole screen.

The downside to all this is that is that program information does not display in the guide. Example: Satellite 5 will show "CSI: Miami" and Local 5.1 will show "Regular Programming". So I use the satellite 5 when they are broadcasting in SD and the Local 5.1 when they are broadcasting in HD.

Now ......if I could only keep the GEM channel and the CDUSA channel and a few others pathetic channels I never watch from reappearing every time I delete them from the custom guide.......grrrrrrrr.

Regarding the smaller appearance of the program guide when your display is in a higher (720) resolution...... This is because the guide is sized for 480i and does not change as you increase the resolution, therefore appearing smaller on the screen. It's kinda like on your personal computer when you change it to a higher resolution -- all the desktop icons appear to be smaller. Hope this helps.

thanks for your comments !!
quite willing to try this just curious about a couple things though (I'm coordinating this from 100mi away for my dad so don't confuse some of my issues with laziness as I try to sort out some things along the way)

1.) are you saying that by bypassing the addition of the local network in the setup ie no locals/OTA by zip, that any subsequent addition of channels manually results in them havingg no guide content...as a direct result of having bypassed the ZIP step ? what about the example you mention where you speak of the guide info for satellite ch.5 is that your direcTV local and it loads that as part of the regular guide process ??

2.) did you do this solely because of the clutter, or similar to myself, you had difficulties geting the receiver to add other channels ?


thx again !

thanks for your comments !!
quite willing to try this just curious about a couple things though (I'm coordinating this from 100mi away for my dad so don't confuse some of my issues with laziness as I try to sort out some things along the way)

Gotcha....

1) Short answer - yes. The zip in the local setup tells your receiver which channels to get program guide information for from DirecTv and then tries to bring you every freakin' one of them. The SD Local 5 channel being sent by satellite has program guide information that is independent of the OTA/Local guide information.

2) Clutter, clutter, clutter! However, the H20 I had for a few miserable days was able to pick up HD 11.1 (NBC 11) which is really channel 12. Surprising, since I have a UHF-only antenna. The Sony simply refused anything associated to channel 12. I'm within a mile of Sutro Tower in SF so I'm overwhelmed with signals to choose from. HD 11.1 is on Sutro Mountain 12 or so miles and several hills and valleys away. If NBC has any HD content worth watching I still have the NBC feed out of LA by way of waivers. Let's hope they let us keep the waivers in light of all the new local HD service being offered.

Gotcha....

1) Short answer - yes. The zip in the local setup tells your receiver which channels to get program guide information for from DirecTv and then tries to bring you every freakin' one of them. The SD Local 5 channel being sent by satellite has program guide information that is independent of the OTA/Local guide information.


I had him go through the Initial Setup again and replied NO to the local network channels part...BUT...upon completion, the guide is still flooded with a sea of channels eg 4D, 4A, 4-1, 4-2, 4-3, etc, etc....do I need to do some kind of hard reset to the receiver to flush settings first ?? Is there a combination of buttoons that can execute this is that is the case or do I have to unplug for hours ?

thx...moo

I had him go through the Initial Setup again and replied NO to the local network channels part...BUT...upon completion, the guide is still flooded with a sea of channels eg 4D, 4A, 4-1, 4-2, 4-3, etc, etc....do I need to do some kind of hard reset to the receiver to flush settings first ?? Is there a combination of buttoons that can execute this is that is the case or do I have to unplug for hours ?

thx...moo

Oops... forgot to tell you about that. You need a NVRAM reset.

Press the "info" and the "right arrow" button (on the receiver, not the remote) at the same time with the HD300 powered on, you will be able to get into the Special Diagnostic Menu. On the first page of the menu, at the bottom you will see: NVRAM reset. By resetting the NVRAM it will return the receiver to right out of the box settings. Be aware that you will also lose any custom channel menus you may have created

I had him go through the Initial Setup again and replied NO to the local network channels part...BUT...upon completion, the guide is still flooded with a sea of channels eg 4D, 4A, 4-1, 4-2, 4-3, etc, etc....do I need to do some kind of hard reset to the receiver to flush settings first ?? Is there a combination of buttoons that can execute this is that is the case or do I have to unplug for hours ?

thx...moo

Remember - you will have to "exit" the channel searching stuff after it finds all the SATELLITE stations. You'll hear a "click" when it changes to the antenna tuner. Mine was really touchy because we have a channel "2" here and I didn't want the tuner picking it up - you have to be quick with the "exit".

Don't be surprised if you have to do a NVRAM reset a few time to get the sequencing down. I think I must have done it 20 times before I finally got it where I wanted it.

Oops... forgot to tell you about that. You need a NVRAM reset.

Press the "info" and the "right arrow" button (on the receiver, not the remote) at the same time with the HD300 powered on, you will be able to get into the Special Diagnostic Menu. On the first page of the menu, at the bottom you will see: NVRAM reset. By resetting the NVRAM it will return the receiver to right out of the box settings. Be aware that you will also lose any custom channel menus you may have created


hey...no prob !

that went fine....then it got interesting (I suspect you knew this and maybe I didn't pick up on it in your earlier post)...I added a nearby channel that was OK originally so I knew I was doing it correctly....it is channel.43 which until the reset had been remapping in the guide to ch.17 which is indeed it's analog equivalent......upon the manual addition though, there was no mapping effort done and the channel instead appears in the guide as 43-1,2,3 (with no program info as expected)....I wasn't expecting this as I thought the channel mapping info is in the broadcast of the digital channel, when now it seems to suggest that it is xrefing against info DirecTV loaded ?!?! Anyhow, I thought maybe this was encouraging news for my attemp to add the Canadian channels, but alas, it finds nothing (it does however hang on the digital channel search phase for 5-7 seconds before failing when rotor is pointed correctly, so I don't know if that means i might have found a signal but couldn't lock it in or if it maybe failed some other check it was attempting before formally adding it to he guide...dunno)

I at least know I am keying correctly now, so maybe there is need for preamp or maybe close rpoximity to the 3-4 channels broadcasting only 1,2-3 miles away is already impacting effort to lock in these others....damn frustrating that it's at least not more black and white what the need/problem is....is there any reason at all I should suspect the sensitivity of the HTL-HD ?? the local installer of the 4228 antenna had recommended Zenith 520, but of course had no stock at the time.

much to consider again it seems.
moo

upon the manual addition though, there was no mapping effort done and the channel instead appears in the guide as 43-1,2,3

You're getting the hang of it.....

Yep.... it seems that I had that problem and then all of a sudden it figured out the correct information and mapped correctly. Seems like it took a couple of days.

We have some oddball stuff here, too.....

Our PBS affiliate, which has some really cool stuff sometimes has:

9.1 evenings 8pm on
9.2 evenings 8pm on
9.3 daily until 8pm
9.4 daily until 8pm
9.5 daily until 8pm

These stations come and go on and off the guide at will. It seems to update when you tune to one of the channels. Other times it is on the guide and when you tune to it, it goes away if not broadcasting.

I have this antenna, pointed directly at Sutro Tower: All but one of our stations are UHF so I went with

http://www.antennasdirect.com/SR15_hdtv_antenna.html

These tuners are NOT as sensitive as the some of the newer tuners, and often fail to lock on a relatively strong signal. Remember, OTA digital is line of sight, so weather and obstacles will present a problem.

I wasn't expecting this as I thought the channel mapping info is in the broadcast of the digital channel, when now it seems to suggest that it is xrefing against info DirecTV loaded ?!?!

The channel mapping that turns "29" into "5.1" has nothing to do with DirecTv. It will occur as some sort of "translation" inside the receiver. This receiver can be used as a HD receiver without DirecTv service.

it does however hang on the digital channel search phase for 5-7 seconds before failing when rotor is pointed correctly.....


There is a way, somewhere in the setup antenna stuff, to see the strength of a OTA digital channel, even if it is not in the guide. I'm at work, so I can't try it, but if memory serves correctly, you can put in or point to a number, like "29" in my example and it will give you the channel strength. If the signal bar is really eraratic, it may indicate that it cannot get a lock.

I added a nearby channel that was OK originally so I knew I was doing it correctly....it is channel.43 which until the reset had been remapping in the guide to ch.17 which is indeed it's analog equivalent......upon the manual addition though, there was no mapping effort done and the channel instead appears in the guide as 43-1,2,3 (with no program info as expected)....I wasn't expecting this as I thought the channel mapping info is in the broadcast of the digital channel, when now it seems to suggest that it is xrefing against info DirecTV loaded ?!?!
Actually, both of your conjectures are correct. The tuner will remap to the analog channel number (with -1 etc. appended) if it receives a PSIP data block from the broadcast station (in the ATSC data stream) OR if it receives "PSIP equivalent" remapping info from the DirecTV Advanced Programming Guide (APG). Since you have decided to "configure out" the OTA local channel info in the DirecTV APG (you did this by omitting the zip code in the "local network" option), your only source for remapping is the PSIP.

In the early days of HDTV broadcasting (late 1990s) very few stations sent the PSIP remapping info. Some of the early OTA HDTV tuners handled the remapping badly when it was sent (and early on, the format of the PSIP varied somewhat, depending on the brand of digital encoder being used by the broadcaster). Some early HDTV tuners actually crashed when they received what they considered to be a badly-formatted PSIP!

By now, most of these kinks have been worked out, and most digital stations are sending PSIP remapping info. Apparently, your local channel 43 is one of the few that still do not. (DirecTV tends to send their own remapping info whether or not the local station is doing so itself.)

This all gets even more interesting on occasions when the local channel makes changes in their digital "subchannel" configuration (adding more subchannels or dropping some). DirecTV tends to lag behind — it often takes them several weeks to update the APG to match changes in local configurations. In that case, if you have the APG "local networks" option turned on, you sometimes see strange things, such as duplicate subchannels or subchannels that do not exist.

(You cannot turn off the broadcasters' PSIP remapping. Either they send it, or they don't.)

Most likely your father's tuner can receive the Canadian HDTV channels but it has been designed to ignore them (they may be "local" but they are definitely "out-of-market"). To receive them, he will probably have to cross the border and bring home a Canadian model of a terrestrial (OTA) HDTV tuner.

You're getting the hang of it.....

Yep.... it seems that I had that problem and then all of a sudden it figured out the correct information and mapped correctly. Seems like it took a couple of days.

We have some oddball stuff here, too.....

Our PBS affiliate, which has some really cool stuff sometimes has:

9.1 evenings 8pm on
9.2 evenings 8pm on
9.3 daily until 8pm
9.4 daily until 8pm
9.5 daily until 8pm

These stations come and go on and off the guide at will. It seems to update when you tune to one of the channels. Other times it is on the guide and when you tune to it, it goes away if not broadcasting.

I have this antenna, pointed directly at Sutro Tower: All but one of our stations are UHF so I went with

http://www.antennasdirect.com/SR15_hdtv_antenna.html

These tuners are NOT as sensitive as the some of the newer tuners, and often fail to lock on a relatively strong signal. Remember, OTA digital is line of sight, so weather and obstacles will present a problem.

hmmm...that's interesting about it eventually mapping back to the analog...odd too...do you get station call letters in the guide once it does that too ?

stations coming and going: I was afraid to mention earlier due to my already long list of descriptions, but same occurs...duplicates of digital HD in guide, only to tune in channel and exit and then guide has dropped several...and then all the sorts of things you described as well...

Actually, both of your conjectures are correct. The tuner will remap to the analog channel number (with -1 etc. appended) if it receives a PSIP data block from the broadcast station (in the ATSC data stream) OR if it receives "PSIP equivalent" remapping info from the DirecTV Advanced Programming Guide (APG). Since you have decided to "configure out" the OTA local channel info in the DirecTV APG (you did this by omitting the zip code in the "local network" option), your only source for remapping is the PSIP.

In the early days of HDTV broadcasting (late 1990s) very few stations sent the PSIP remapping info. Some of the early OTA HDTV tuners handled the remapping badly when it was sent (and early on, the format of the PSIP varied somewhat, depending on the brand of digital encoder being used by the broadcaster). Some early HDTV tuners actually crashed when they received what they considered to be a badly-formatted PSIP!

By now, most of these kinks have been worked out, and most digital stations are sending PSIP remapping info. Apparently, your local channel 43 is one of the few that still do not. (DirecTV tends to send their own remapping info whether or not the local station is doing so itself.)

This all gets even more interesting on occasions when the local channel makes changes in their digital "subchannel" configuration (adding more subchannels or dropping some). DirecTV tends to lag behind — it often takes them several weeks to update the APG to match changes in local configurations. In that case, if you have the APG "local networks" option turned on, you sometimes see strange things, such as duplicate subchannels or subchannels that do not exist.

(You cannot turn off the broadcasters' PSIP remapping. Either they send it, or they don't.)

Most likely your father's tuner can receive the Canadian HDTV channels but it has been designed to ignore them (they may be "local" but they are definitely "out-of-market"). To receive them, he will probably have to cross the border and bring home a Canadian model of a terrestrial (OTA) HDTV tuner.

good reading...thanks (lots of help from California today !!) I feel like I've pirated the forum, but some interesting points bubbling up along the way.

So...PSIP data broadcast by the channel: I guess we're saying then that if it DOESN"T map initially , but does later on, that transmission of that data by the station is not a constant maybe? what about program details, is this also PSIP data that similarly may or may not be present depending on the network ?

Can you elaborate a little on what you suspect about the tuner re Canadian stations...if we bypassed local network in setup and it has ability to add channels manually, we would you expect this ? (other than the fact, it has thus far been unable to)

fyi...just starting a little lurking on the Buffalo, NY OTA reception forum here on AVS and many people capable of getting Canadian...I should maybe see which assortment of direcTV tuners are being used where applicable.

Again thanks to all for sharing their thoughts and knowledge !!
moo

hmmm...that's interesting about it eventually mapping back to the analog...odd too...do you get station call letters in the guide once it does that too ?
"Eventually" should be understood as meaning "if and when the broadcast station actually sends a PSIP". Although your local 43 apparently was not sending a PSIP when you located it, that could be either a temporary or "permanent" condition. A few stations have not implemented the PSIP at all yet. However, I have seen cases in which a station stops sending the PSIP for a few hours, then suddenly "turns it on" again. (Their engineers are still "fiddling" with digital broadcasting, although for the most part this has stabilized greatly — compared to the "early days".)

The good news is that you don't have to re-run the "local channel search". Once the station has been identified, then its PSIP (if any) will be processed any time in the future that you tune that station. (This includes when you select the station in the "show/hide channels" array.)

As to your question about call letters, unfortunately the answer is "no". The PSIP does contain the call letters, and sometimes a short description of the channel, but DirecTV has chosen to ignore this info. The combo DirecTV/OTA tuners respect the remapping data in the actual PSIP, but they ignore everything else (which I find aggravating). These tuners will display call letters and descriptions ONLY if you have enabled the "local networks" APG option, and only if that data is included in the DirecTV APG. Even worse, the call letters found in the DirecTV APG sometimes differ from the ones being broadcast in the PSIP. The differences are usually minor, involving "suffixes". For instance, 7-1 and 7-2 might have PSIP call letters of KGO-HD and KGO-SD, but DirecTV may have them listed as KGO-DT1 and KGO-DT2.

The only way that I know of to see the "real" PSIP data, in full, is to use a terrestrial-only (OTA-only) ATSC (digital) tuner. Or one of the newer TV sets that has a built-in ATSC tuner.

What about program details, is this also PSIP data that similarly may or may not be present depending on the network ?
The ATSC data stream does provide for transmitting the station's program guide (their schedule, including program names and descriptions). The last time I checked (using a terrestrial-only ATSC tuner) most stations had NOT implemented this feature. This data is separate from the PSIP (or perhaps it is an extension to the "basic PSIP"— but in any case, it has seldom been seen). No matter, because the DirecTV "combo" tuners ignore the broadcasters' own guide info, just as they ignore the call letters in the PSIP. If it's a DirecTV tuner, you get the DirecTV program guide — period. To see the broadcasters' own program guide (for the very few that have implemented it), you need to use a terrestrial-only tuner.

Can you elaborate a little on what you suspect about the tuner re Canadian stations...if we bypassed local network in setup and it has ability to add channels manually, we would you expect this ? (other than the fact, it has thus far been unable to)
Your evidence suggests that the Canadian channels can be seen (the noticeable "pause" that you mentioned when you try the "real channel"). But it would be very typical of DirecTV to have insisted that their tuners reject non-US stations. Note that DirecTV itself is officially unavailable in the Canadian market (except to the thousands of people in Canada who imported DirecTV tuners from the US and have directed their bills to a US zip code.)

fyi...just starting a little lurking on the Buffalo, NY OTA reception forum here on AVS and many people capable of getting Canadian...I should maybe see which assortment of direcTV tuners are being used where applicable.
I'll betcha those are all terrestrial-only, NON-DirecTV tuners. (Or possibly some very early "combo" tuners such as the RCA DTC-100.) Earlier, I suggested that you might need to import an OTA tuner from Canada. In fact, it is likely that most US models of terrestrial-only tuners can get Canadian digital OTA with no restrictions. After all, the makers of those sets didn't have DirecTV telling them what they can do and cannot do!

(You cannot turn off the broadcasters' PSIP remapping. Either they send it, or they don't.)Actually, some OTA receivers give the option of disregarding the PSIP info, and all of it's features and pitfalls.

Most likely your father's tuner can receive the Canadian HDTV channels but it has been designed to ignore them (they may be "local" but they are definitely "out-of-market"). To receive them, he will probably have to cross the border and bring home a Canadian model of a terrestrial (OTA) HDTV tuner.Huh?

There is no such thing as a Canadian model of OTA tuner that would be any different than an American one. They use ATSC just like we do. The DirecTV versions of these OTA tuners are probably screwed up for use in this application, due to using the DirecTV guide info.

The solution may be to use an OTA tuner that is not also for DirecTV, or get a used RCA DTC-100, which does not use the DirecTV IPG info and can be switched between using PSIP or not.

Actually, some OTA receivers give the option of disregarding the PSIP info, and all of it's features and pitfalls.
This I did not know, nice to learn. All my OTA-only ATSC tuners were Panasonics and a Samsung (and a very early RCA DTC-100, which I returned to the store the next day in disgust.) However, my statement that "You cannot turn off the broadcasters' PSIP remapping" was intended to be specific to the 3200A/HD-300/HTL-HD (of which I own two).

There is no such thing as a Canadian model of OTA tuner that would be any different than an American one. They use ATSC just like we do. The DirecTV versions of these OTA tuners are probably screwed up for use in this application, due to using the DirecTV guide info.
In a later post (which probably "crossed in the mail" with yours) I amended my earlier statement to hypothesize that a US OTA-only tuner would probably work with Canadian stations. In fact, it is probably a mandate unique to DirecTV that the "combo" tuners (apparently) ignore Canadian OTA stations. I did know that Canada uses the same ATSC data streams as the US, my musing about Canada-specific OTA tuner models was just a conjecture — which I now know to be incorrect, thanks again to your input. (Of course, satellite tuners are specific to each country.)

The solution may be to use an OTA tuner that is not also for DirecTV, or get a used RCA DTC-100, which does not use the DirecTV IPG info and can be switched between using PSIP or not.
The very early DTC-100 that I tested did use the DirectTV IPG — for satellite channels. For terrestrial channels, it had no guide info to speak of (since the broadcasters weren't providing it). And it was one of the early models that had difficulty processing certain versions of the PSIP. Most likely, that was fixed in a later firmware update — which I suspect was when they added an option to process the PSIP or not (I don't recollect the early ones having that feature).

Wow. You guys are awsome. Amazing the education you can get on here.

good reading...thanks (lots of help from California today !!) I feel like I've pirated the forum, but some interesting points bubbling up along the way.
Not the Forum, just this thread. :p

...In a later post (which probably "crossed in the mail" with yours) I amended my earlier statement to hypothesize that a US OTA-only tuner would probably work with Canadian stations. In fact, it is probably a mandate unique to DirecTV that the "combo" tuners (apparently) ignore Canadian OTA stations. I did know that Canada uses the same ATSC data streams as the US, my musing about Canada-specific OTA tuner models was just a conjecture — which I now know to be incorrect, thanks again to your input. (Of course, satellite tuners are specific to each country.)

Well...nearly positive that Zenith 520 can add Canadian OTA (hearsay though)...so let's put the question out there for owners of any of these 3 LG, Sony, Hughes models (since it is HTL-HD I'm trying)...has anyone anywhere successfully been able to add Candian OTa to the direcTV receiver...whether you're east coast, west coast, residing in Canada (shame shame...lol)...whatever.

It would be nice to know for certain before I look at preamps, traps, attenuators or another tuners.

Thanks all !!!

btw...Masters in HD today...nice surprise it was, since word on the street for months was that only weekend action on CBS would be telecast...looked awesome (HP md5880n)

Originally Posted by wmccain
...In a later post (which probably "crossed in the mail" with yours) I amended my earlier statement to hypothesize that a US OTA-only tuner would probably work with Canadian stations. In fact, it is probably a mandate unique to DirecTV that the "combo" tuners (apparently) ignore Canadian OTA stations. I did know that Canada uses the same ATSC data streams as the US, my musing about Canada-specific OTA tuner models was just a conjecture — which I now know to be incorrect, thanks again to your input. (Of course, satellite tuners are specific to each country.)


While I await comments from any other owners who have or haven't managed to do this, I got to thinking a little more about what you're suggesting here and was curious about what you might venture to guess is going on from a technical perspective that would allow the receiver to do this...

a) do you think there is something in the PSIP that identifies COUNTRY of origin and it might be blocking in the cases where stations are indeed sending out PSIP ?

b) or do you think it is referencing local stations database it's downloaded from satellite even though we have bypassed creation/usage of local network setup ?

it's not possible that it has a static table of OK station as it would have to be the whole of USA and it would have to be CURRENT.

doesn't seem very realistic that this is going on...although I guess I could buy into the idea of it blocking by PSIP country though.....might be interesting for me to specify NO DISH in the setup to see if the logic is influenced by the implication that the person wouldn't be a DirecTV customer (based on setup of that nature)...I'll report back (for anyone who cares) if I can manage to get my dad to do yet another experiment. (I'm sure he's missing the good old days right about now...LOL)

edited updt: I have since seen PSIP ref about ratings table that specifies program rating for a broadcast for each region's ratings system (country) so obviously this "region" origin must be imbedded in anojther table as well.

a) do you think there is something in the PSIP that identifies COUNTRY of origin and it might be blocking in the cases where stations are indeed sending out PSIP ?
Sure ... the station's call letters, if nothing else. US stations have call letters starting with 'K' or 'W', whereas Canadian stations have call letters starting with 'C'. It's also possible (fairly likely, even) that there is a "country code" field in the PSIP.

b) or do you think it is referencing local stations database it's downloaded from satellite even though we have bypassed creation/usage of local network setup ?
Unlikely.

ok thx william....IF indeed there is any restrictions in place, I tend to agree that that is likely how it is managed.

I'll summarize and provide some closure once able.

moo

it is interesting to read about the conjecture on country restrictions since i noticed
when i was searching for hd300's on ebay, quite a few were sourced from canada.

it is interesting to read about the conjecture on country restrictions since i noticed
when i was searching for hd300's on ebay, quite a few were sourced from canada.
Most likely, they were imported to Canada for "grey-market" reception of DirecTV.

Most likely, they were imported to Canada for "grey-market" reception of DirecTV.

looks like they may have been imported in a big way.
one reseller has 10 at this moment.

looks like they may have been imported in a big way.
What a surprise.

DirecTV apparently is no longer updating receivers via software updates in the data stream. They much prefer to support a single unit (H20) and let everybody think that the older units MUST be replaced, regardless how much you paid for them and prefer them to the H20.

I've been a long time (10-years) D* customer, as such they sent me a LG-3200 a year ago and I just now opened it. It has the 1.06 version -- am I screwed?

I JUST opened it as my Sammy 160 is getting tempramental on a marginal OTA signal strength. Last night the Steelers were in HD, and the LG was able to tune it in where my Sammy couldn't. I've NOT been following the UPGRADE saga D* is spreading... as long as I can watch the programs I don't care if it's Mpeg-2, Mpeg-4, or if I have a DVR. Now, if they want me to TAKE a new unit, OK. But, I don't want to get into paying mirror subscriptions, or TivO rental. I DO have a triple LNB 'mini' dish hooked up for my Sammy.

I suppose if I contact D* they'll want to send me a bunch o' stuff... what's the real scoop? Do I need new equipment or is it all a bunch of hype?

TIA

Andrew:

You might be screwed unless:

1) LG will update the software (whodoyacall?)
2) Sony will update the software, which will probably take some serious explaining. Sometimes it's hard to get across to these guys that both the HD200 and HD300 receivers were really LG receivers in Sony drag. If it doesn't say "Sony" on it they may not want it on their bench.

You will NOT get an update via the satellite stream, ever. Period. DirecTv has no interest whatsoever in these receivers now that they have the H20.

The last upgrade on my Sony SAT-HD300 is version 2.01.00 this was automatically installed September 2004.

I really can't remember exactly what this upgrade accomplished. If no one answers this question, the only thing I can suggest vs calling the manufacturer or Direct, is to scan through this thread and more than likely you'll get the answers.

But beyond that, I'm pretty sure that you won't be able to upgrade at this late date. For that you definitely have to talk to Direct.

I wish you well.

the current software version is 2.01 and is still being downloaded on the directv datastream if you are connected to a receiving dish. The download should occur within 24 hours. If not contact directv technical assistance and they will arrange the upgrade through the phone line.

I wish I had another one of those. Do not get rid of it!!
THANKS for the encouragement! But HOW do YOU know D* is still downloading firmware updates when there are others who say they've terminated the operation, entirely?

I did ALL that you suggested, but it's INFO <Right> that envokes the Factory menu. It's rebooted and now tuned to ch-201 with the power OFF. I'd been reading this thread all day and there's not any clear concensius on the power state, or what should be tuned last. I hope this works... the 1.06 version it came with is almost constantly doing a Network Reconfiguration function where it posts a satelite banner communicating with the dish... there is NO "Favorite" guide, ALL is the default, and it is constantly adding back (distant) local channels I can't receive. I hope 2.01 downloads and fixes these issues!

So D* CAN update it via the phone line? Again, I wonder how you're so smart on this unit... Hmmm....... Sometimes it's best NOT to question a man with the plan!

Thanks! (fingers crossed)

FWIW, I contacted D* today and they made me their offer for a HD-DVR, free installation, etc for $19.95, S&H -- Given I own a HTPC w/ATi HDTV-Wonder for my OTA PVR recording, I'm not sure I want to pay the $5.99/mo to record D* programs. If I can get my reception steady on my old Sammy, or this LG running smoothly I may just opt to KISS (keep it simple stupid).

NO DICE.... Same 1.06 this morning. Although, that's not to say it won't d/l within the next month, or so -- depending on how frequently they're pushing the update. I wonder about the phone line option?

I know about hiding the channels I don't want to include, but this 1.06 version is poppimg that Network Reconfig banner about every 2-10 minutes! When it does so it stuffs additional copies of the hidden channels back into the lineup. It's being a real pain in the a$$.

I'm on the phone w/D* now... tech support is checking on how to get 2.01.00 into my LG-3200A

The tech says the update was pushed from 10/01/04 - 11/12/04 and no longer exists. This unit was shipped to me 11/18/04 -- after the update period!

After further research he says the update is NOT AVAILABLE from D*... PERIOD. If I need this update I'll need to search alternate providers/service centers. Another note: they believe the Nte Reconf banner is triggered by a combination of low OTA signal strength AND/OR bad/intermittent dish connection/signal strength. But, with No Dish configured it does not occur, and my dish has been operating on my Sammy for several years without issue... go figure :-(

You can always keep calling D* until you get a CSR that gives you the answer you like. I'm not being facetious -- there is an incredible difference in knowledge and ability between D* CSRs. The vast majority only know how to walk you through the receiver reset procedure and that's it.

You can always keep calling D* until you get a CSR that gives you the answer you like. I'm not being facetious -- there is an incredible difference in knowledge and ability between D* CSRs. The vast majority only know how to walk you through the receiver reset procedure and that's it.
While I agree with your statement... the proof is IN the pudding -- as long as my LG does NOT receive the upgrade, their position is accurately stated -- reguardless of what ANY CSR says, how they dress it up or WHAT they promise.

What pot are you trying to stir? What would you like me to believe?

As far as OTA-only, if I tell it No Dish it does a good job even with the 1.06 firmware. Given I've NOT tried it for D* reception I don't know just what I may BE missing. The GUI of the LG is way far different than the Sammy and the RCA is essentially that of the Sammy as well. I got my antenna reaimed but THINK it was or IS a suspect UHF amplifier located in my attic, within a few feet of the antenna. Something about the FM-Trap switch creams the reception of RF-49.

BTW, was your 'repair' related at all to the Network Reconfiguration banner I was telling you about or another issue, entirely?

Is there a known issue with the HDMI output from the HTL-HD? I have this hooked up to my Sony 50E2000 via an HDMI->DVI cable and I am noticing the every 5 minutes or so the picture flickers as though the TV has temporarily lost the signal and then quickly regained it. This seems to happen on both HD and SD channels. The output is set to native.

Is there a known issue with the HDMI output from the HTL-HD? I have this hooked up to my Sony 50E2000 via an HDMI->DVI cable and I am noticing the every 5 minutes or so the picture flickers as though the TV has temporarily lost the signal and then quickly regained it. This seems to happen on both HD and SD channels. The output is set to native.

My LG3200a does that once in a while. Look at the bright side, it's better than it freezing up like an H20! :D

Oops! I meant to say that it does this through the component outputs. No HDMI on the 3200a.

dminches:

The HTL-HD does not have HDMI output, only DVI.

I had problems with my Sony HD300/Panny 50PHD8UK using the DVI-HDMI cable like you. I had much better luck with the component outputs. When the picture was stable using the DVI output, it wasn't NEARLY as crisp and clear as the component outputs.

Right. I always seem to confuse DVI with HDMI. My Sony has HDMI inputs and the HTL-HD has the DVI output. I'll try the component outs.

My HD-300 is currently running software version 1.06, and I'm getting the "Network Reconfiguration" message constantly. I called D*... and they said they had no updates available for this receiver.

I would like to keep this receiver, having paid so much for it. Does anyone know how to acquire the uploads? D*... they can't do it?

Are there any other fixes for this??

Thanks,

era470

I have version 2.01 that was updated via satellite September 2004.

Some on this Forum have mentioned that Direct is no longer providing the update and therefore, the only option was to send their unit back to Sony to get the new software.

I suggest that you contact Sony.

I wish you well, it's a wonderful receiver.

I called directv a few weeks ago. They are no longer downloading the software upgrade.

You will need to send it to sony...unless there is a repair center somewhere that can upgrade the version for you.

if you do, make sure they do no exchange your unit with a referb.

that is a great tuner...have 2 of them and will not part with it.

My HD-300 is currently running software version 1.06....

Are there any other fixes for this??

Sony has an online service request procedure that you simply fill in the blanks requesting a software upgrade.

http://eservice.sony.com/webrma/web/index.do

It costs about $84 and you send the unit off to Pennsylvania somewhere. Do NOT expect D* to help you and hang on to that receiver at ANY cost.

I went through this same procedure for two HD300s and I haven't had a problem since. Check my posts back in January or so. I detailed the procedure extensively.

Hi,

Anyone who has the Zenith SAT-HD520 (equivalent to the Hughes HTL-HD) knows if the program guide and information comes through PSIP? Or does it receive the guide and information through the satelite portion like the Hughes receiver?

I am thinking of picking up a used Zenith and replace my Hughes just so I can get the guide.

Hi,

Anyone who has the Zenith SAT-HD520 (equivalent to the Hughes HTL-HD) knows if the program guide and information comes through PSIP? Or does it receive the guide and information through the satelite portion like the Hughes receiver?
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the 520 uses DirecTv's APG, so no, it will NOT read OTA PSIP. :(

I'm in the Dayton, OH area. My HD-300 (firmware 2.01) keeps reseting while watching the OTA HD channel WKEF 22-1. It just started doing this within the last couple of weeks. I don't have this problem with any of the HD OTA channels or and of the D* HD channels.

Any ideas?

I'm in the Dayton, OH area. My HD-300 (firmware 2.01) keeps reseting while watching the OTA HD channel WKEF 22-1. It just started doing this within the last couple of weeks. I don't have this problem with any of the HD OTA channels or and of the D* HD channels.

Any ideas?

My first thought is something in the data stream for that particular channel is upsetting the receiver, especially since it works fine for other channels. I would try a "hard reset" and reconfigure the receiver.

Press the "info" and the "right arrow" button (on the receiver, not the remote) at the same time with the HD300 powered on, you will be able to get into the Special Diagnostic Menu. On the first page of the menu, at the bottom you will see: NVRAM reset. By resetting the NVRAM it will return the receiver to right out of the box settings. Be aware that you will also lose any custom channel menus you may have created.

Sometimes for no reason at all, the Directv goes into a creating channel list, which interrupts my movie for several minutes. After it does this, I lose the full description of the shows. Also the search is all messed up. It does not find what it did before it created channel list. Example, if I searched on Law, I would get all of the Law & Order Shows. After this stupid unasked for creating channel list runs, I only get a few in search and no details.

Does this happen to anyone else? It is quite annoying. It just happens all of a sudden. Is it Directv or my Sony HD300?

The next morning it is back to normal.

I've had this happen a few times on my HD300 but not very often. It seems to be the unit purging it's memory and starting over from scratch.

The reason you lose the program description and the search gets messed up for a while, is because the unit has completely dumped the program guide, and is reloading it, which can take a few hours. I suspect this is the unit, and not DirecTV although I have no way of knowing for sure.

The NVRAM reset didn't fix the problem with my receiver resting while watching OTH 22.1 WKEF. How can I tell if it is in the data stream?

I thought I'd expressed I can not use my LG in D* mode because it will seek the channels/guide or some message about every 3 minutes or so. However I CAN place it in NO SATELITE mode where it functions only as an OTA tuner. This works fine! I have an older firmware version... not the 2.xx

The NVRAM reset didn't fix the problem with my receiver resting while watching OTH 22.1 WKEF. How can I tell if it is in the data stream?

No easy way. The process of elimination sorta points to WKEF as the culprit. They may be sending something of newer technology in their stream that the HD300 isn't built for which is causing the disruptions. You'll probably have to live with it.

We all have to remember these machines were cutting edge at the time they were built and technology marches on........

I thought I'd expressed I can not use my LG in D* mode because it will seek the channels/guide or some message about every 3 minutes or so. However I CAN place it in NO SATELITE mode where it functions only as an OTA tuner. This works fine! I have an older firmware version... not the 2.xx


That's precisely what the new firmware fixes, Andrew. Quite annoying, eh? You'll have to get it from Sony. See my earlier posts.

I'm thinking of ordering a HTL-HD from ebay for OTA HD only usage. Does the firmware version matter for what I want I just need and for a grandparents-usable experience? I don't really want to have to routinely tech-support a simple tuner. Thanks!

I'm thinking of ordering a HTL-HD from ebay for OTA HD only usage. Does the firmware version matter for what I want I just need and for a grandparents-usable experience? I don't really want to have to routinely tech-support a simple tuner. Thanks!

I really don't think so, badbob. The problems most of us experienced had to do with the unit trying to update the satellite channels incessantly, making it nearly impossible to watch anything.

I would think if you never set it up to go look for satellites, it would know that there's nothing to update.

Now if you really want to have some fun, I've got a HTL-HD downstairs in unknown working condition you're welcome to - just pay for shipping and it's yours. email me keith@pjruane.com if interested.

(someone tried to scam me on ebay - they said it was an HD-300 - I've never tested it but it's been downstairs for a year or so.)

Which one is the best for fringe or deep fringe OTA? No satellite service.

The Hughes unit has gotten some raves that seem almost too good to believe.

Will doing a NVRAM reset on a HD300 lose all the 2.01 firmware? I've got a phone prefix I can't get rid of on a unit I bought to replace my Hd200 that took a lighting strike.

I thought that doing the reset would get rid of the phone prefix but I don't want to do it if I'd have to send the set off to Sony for the latest firmware.

Thanks,

Motleyfan

Will doing a NVRAM reset on a HD300 lose all the 2.01 firmware? I've got a phone prefix I can't get rid of on a unit I bought to replace my Hd200 that took a lighting strike.

I thought that doing the reset would get rid of the phone prefix but I don't want to do it if I'd have to send the set off to Sony for the latest firmware.

Thanks,

Motleyfan

Nope, a reset simply clears everything. Whatever firmware is current will stay.

I had one other issue crop up with one of my HD300's. When the phone line is plugged in the modem opens the phone line within 20 seconds. We had some intermittent dialing (which I think was from the HD300) when we were using the phone for conversations. After a storm hit this week this particular 300 unit keeps the phone line in use whenver the phone cord is plugged into it. Would the NVRAM reset help with this?

Thanks also for the informational update on the previous post with the NVRAM reset. I didn't want to reset it and then have to send it back to Sony for the 2.01 update.

Motleyfan

Maybe, Motleyfan. Sounds more like the modem is fried, though.

However, when a modem gets fried, it doesn't usually put the line "in use".

Try this: Plug the phone line into the receiver and then unplug the POWER from the receiver. Theoretically, the line should get disconnected.

The 20 seconds thing puzzles me, though. It's like it's trying to phone home.

Bottom line: NVRAM reset certainly will not hurt the situation.

Funny, a ways back I had some quirky dialing while I was on the phone, too, but I never even thought it could be the HD300.

I'm thinking of ordering a HTL-HD from ebay for OTA HD only usage. Does the firmware version matter for what I want I just need and for a grandparents-usable experience? I don't really want to have to routinely tech-support a simple tuner. Thanks!
I have 3... 2 currently being used and I am very satisfied with the quality of the picture... I only use them for HD OTA.

I thought I'd expressed I can not use my LG in D* mode because it will seek the channels/guide or some message about every 3 minutes or so. However I CAN place it in NO SATELITE mode where it functions only as an OTA tuner. This works fine! I have an older firmware version... not the 2.xxAs I said...

Does anyone know the remote programming codes that would work with an Olevia TV? I am using the Hughes HTL-HD and the HRMC-12 remote. Thanks.

Which Olevia model? My LT30HV uses an RCA code

Which Olevia model? My LT30HV uses an RCA code

Thanks for replying, it's good to know what it is possible to use another manufacturer's code for the Olevia. I don't have the TV with me right now but from looking on the website it looks to be the LT32HVM.

Again thanks for the reply Andrew.