WTLHFOXHD,

Is this what WTLH needs? Don't know what it costs.

http://news.ecoustics.com/bbs/messages/10381/471738.html

WTLHFOXHD,

Is this what WTLH needs? Don't know what it costs.

http://news.ecoustics.com/bbs/messages/10381/471738.html
A quick Google search reveals one could be found just over $10K. Hey, let's help our engineers with a PLEDGE DRIVE!!11*

Is anyone having any problems picking up channel 40's HD signal on 40.1 and 40.2? My tuner is not finding any signal.

Thanks
As of 2:04 pm today via Mediacom QAM, WTWC-DT is absent.

* - not really

Is anyone having any problems picking up channel 40's HD signal on 40.1 and 40.2? My tuner is not finding any signal.

Thanks
I'm having that same problem. Have been for several days now. I hope they are off air preparing a new facility for high power digital on 40.

lbb2148

I hope they are off air preparing a new facility for high power digital on 40.



Even if they were, WTWC won't move their digital signal over to 40 until the switchover in February.

I know,..but there is some light at the end of the tunnel.

Even if they were, WTWC won't move their digital signal over to 40 until the switchover in February.

Samething with WTXL. THAT is why I watch a lot of CBS 6.1 and FOX 49.1
And very little on ABC 27.1 and NBC 40.1 And they wonder why there rateings are down?

And they wonder why there rateings are down?
I hate that many viewers won't get these stations until The Big Day but...seriously, do you have a source for this? Do you even get WALB for NBC?

I hate that many viewers won't get these stations until The Big Day but...seriously, do you have a source for this? Do you even get WALB for NBC?

Yes, I live in Lake Park, GA. as for WALB, guess what, next year. Some in the Valdosta area have been able to pick up WALB, But, with a high price attenna, and good location.

Yes, I live in Lake Park, GA. as for WALB, guess what, next year.
WALB is already at 800 MHz. Whether a 200 MHz boost would give you proper reception I cannot say but I'll just have to take your word for it for now.


Some in the Valdosta area have been able to pick up WALB, But, with a high price attenna, and good location.
You're assuming, of course, that I don't live in said area. ;)

Anyways I can pick up WALB with a CM4221 4-bay antenna; it's not expensive at all. But this discussion is way off-topic here. The only issue I have with WALB is the direction of the signal would prevent me from getting good reception of the Metcalf antenna farm.

For you folks in the Valdosta and Lake Park areas, WXGA-DT (Waycross GPB) is now broadcasting in digital on channel 9 OTA. I posted some minor comments in the Albany GA forum, if anyone is interested.

For you folks in the Valdosta and Lake Park areas, WXGA-DT (Waycross GPB) is now broadcasting in digital on channel 9 OTA. I posted some minor comments in the Albany GA forum, if anyone is interested.
I also made a request to Mediacom to add WXGA-DT. [insert rant about Mediacom here]

Can JCRStudios or someone at WTXL explain to me why their signal only gets heavily pixelated on Thursday nights during prime time, which just happens to be their big moneymaker time slot, and the one night I look forward to most for TV viewing (at least until Heroes returns)? Do they do that deliberately just to piss off viewers, or is there a technical reason as to why their signal suddenly downgrades on that one night time slot? An answer please - inquiring minds want to know!

Can JCRStudios or someone at WTXL explain to me why their signal only gets heavily pixelated on Thursday nights during prime time, which just happens to be their big moneymaker time slot, and the one night I look forward to most for TV viewing (at least until Heroes returns)? Do they do that deliberately just to piss off viewers, or is there a technical reason as to why their signal suddenly downgrades on that one night time slot?
Why on Earth would they do that?

I'm waiting for a response about the lack of closed captions during primetime programming but I asked in good faith and not because I thought WTXL is out to screw the hearing-impaired.

Can JCRStudios or someone at WTXL explain to me why their signal only gets heavily pixelated on Thursday nights during prime time, which just happens to be their big moneymaker time slot, and the one night I look forward to most for TV viewing (at least until Heroes returns)? Do they do that deliberately just to piss off viewers, or is there a technical reason as to why their signal suddenly downgrades on that one night time slot? An answer please - inquiring minds want to know!

During which show? I assume you are not talking about Lost.

Can JCRStudios or someone at WTXL explain to me why their signal only gets heavily pixelated on Thursday nights during prime time, which just happens to be their big moneymaker time slot, and the one night I look forward to most for TV viewing (at least until Heroes returns)? Do they do that deliberately just to piss off viewers, or is there a technical reason as to why their signal suddenly downgrades on that one night time slot? An answer please - inquiring minds want to know!


Are you on cable, sat or OTA? I'm OTA and don't remember pixelation problems (in SummerBrooke)

During which show? I assume you are not talking about Lost.

All three prime time shows in ABC last Thursday suffered from pixelization (dropouts) and audio loss on Comcast HD Ch 431. None of the other HD channels from Comcast seemed to have that problem. This has happened before on the ABC HD Comcast channel, and for some unexplicable reason it happens most often on that one night that ABC puts on its best stuff. If OTA was good for those of you close to the tower then it sounds like a problem between the tower and the Comcast receiver (?). The biggest problem is that no one at the station, and I mean no one, not even the engineers, monitors their signal. Last time I spoke with the station manager he said he did not even have a HD TV set! Can you imagine that. In the past I have found that when I complain really hard I seem to get results - the latest example was the fix on the audio on the CW channel, though it still has that low level hum but not as bad. Before that my calls to the WTWC about failure to throw the HD switch got results. So when I bitch it is not just to complain it is to get a problem fixed, and we all benefit. I strongly urge the rest of you to do the same and complain to the station when you see a recurring problem. Anything can go wrong once, but when it happens again, or repeatedly, the station/network/Comcast is doing something wrong. The squeaky wheel gets the grease, as they say, so don't be afraid to be a squeaky wheel.

All three prime time shows in ABC last Thursday suffered from pixelization (dropouts) and audio loss on Comcast HD Ch 431. None of the other HD channels from Comcast seemed to have that problem. This has happened before on the ABC HD Comcast channel, and for some unexplicable reason it happens most often on that one night that ABC puts on its best stuff. If OTA was good for those of you close to the tower then it sounds like a problem between the tower and the Comcast receiver (?). The biggest problem is that no one, and I mean no one, not even the engineers, monitor ABC signal. Last time I spoke with the station manager he said he did not even have a HD TV set! Can you imagine that. In the past I have found that when I complain really hard I seem to get results - the lastest example the fix on the audio on the CW channel. Before that my calls to the WTLH about failure to throw the HD switch got results. So when I bitch it is not just to complain it is to get a problem fixed, and we all benefit. I strongly urge the rest of you to do the same and complain to the station when you see a recurring problem. Anything can go wrong once, but when it happens again, or repeatedly, the station/network/Comcast is doing something wrong. The squeaky wheel gets the grease, as they say, so don't be afraid to be a squeaky wheel.

Just for reference, I live in Killearn Lakes and had no dropouts (video or audio) during Grays or Lost last Thursday. Both programs were viewed later in the evening via Comcast DVR recorded from channel 431.

All three prime time shows in ABC last Thursday suffered from pixelization (dropouts) and audio loss on Comcast HD Ch 431.


It might be on your end. I watched Lost on Comcast 431, it was fine I had no problems. I also recorded it on the other the TV with no problems. I asked a coworker and he also had no issues. So I don't think it would be a WTXL or Comcast problem.

Videotech used to repair pro model Panasonic plasmas as well as a lot of pro video cameras and equipment used by local TV stations and such - they were an authorized Panasonic repair facility. They also repaired some consumer equipment. I have not had contact with them in years so not sure if they are still in business. They were located in that little hillside office park on Scotty Lane next to Silver Slipper. You can check with your TV brand for locations of authorized repair facilities for their brands.

We're still the same guys in the same place. Locally, you don't hear much from us because we got out of the consumer end of the business in 2000. We do design/integration/repair for stations and production facilities, still a lot of Panasonic Broadcast, but no home type stuff for end users. Thanks for the mention, and sorry to go off-topic!

We're still the same guys in the same place. Locally, you don't hear much from us because we got out of the consumer end of the business in 2000. We do design/integration/repair for stations and production facilities, still a lot of Panasonic Broadcast, but no home type stuff for end users. Thanks for the mention, and sorry to go off-topic!


Good to know. thanks.

It might be on your end. I watched Lost on Comcast 431, it was fine I had no problems. I also recorded it on the other the TV with no problems. I asked a coworker and he also had no issues. So I don't think it would be a WTXL or Comcast problem.

Thanks for that input. The problem indeed may be my Comcast DVR, which I think may need replacing. If that is the case I will apologize to WTXL and Comcast and be happy to do so. I have been a Comcast customer for over 15 years and had dozens of issues with them but it has never been a problem inside my walls. But the Comcast DVR is all theirs, so I think I will try and get a new one.

Thanks for that input. The problem indeed may be my Comcast DVR, which I think may need replacing. If that is the case I will apologize to WTXL and Comcast and be happy to do so. I have been a Comcast customer for over 15 years and had dozens of issues with them but it has never been a problem inside my walls. But the Comcast DVR is all theirs, so I think I will try and get a new one.

Make sure you ask for one of the new DCH models with the 160Gb hard drive. I have had one for a couple of months and the number of glitches and lockups have almost completely stopped. If you don't they will try to pawn the older model off on you.

Make sure you ask for one of the new DCH models with the 160Gb hard drive. I have had one for a couple of months and the number of glitches and lockups have almost completely stopped. If you don't they will try to pawn the older model off on you.

Be careful when asking. They may not even know they have the 160Gb ones though. I wanted to get an additional DVR for awhile and had been calling for awhile to see if they had the 160Gb and they kept telling me they would not be getting those so I just let it go. However, last month I got a new TV with HDMI so I called to see if they had HDMI boxes before driving there and they told me they had one and would hold it. I was content with getting a 120Gb box due to previous attempts to get the 160, but I was pleasantly surprised when I got a 6416. So instead of asking for a 6416 I would ask for one that has HDMI connections.

Be careful when asking. They may not even know they have the 160Gb ones though. I wanted to get an additional DVR for awhile and had been calling for awhile to see if they had the 160Gb and they kept telling me they would not be getting those so I just let it go. However, last month I got a new TV with HDMI so I called to see if they had HDMI boxes before driving there and they told me they had one and would hold it. I was content with getting a 120Gb box due to previous attempts to get the 160, but I was pleasantly surprised when I got a 6416. So instead of asking for a 6416 I would ask for one that has HDMI connections.

Your first two sentences are right on the money. Be careful what you ask for. My coworker went down last week and asked for a DVR with HDMI and was issued one of the old DCT models with HDMI. When my friend asked what size hard drive was in it he was told 160Gb. Wrong. I even showed him where you could read the hard drive capacity through the vent. 120Gb. The Comcast reps do not know what hardware they have or what it will do.

When I first asked about the new DCH models I was told that they did not go by model numbers and I should just ask for the "new silver ones". Huh???

Bottom line, keep calling and asking for the DCH 6416 and do not accept the older DCT model.

Your first two sentences are right on the money. Be careful what you ask for. My coworker went down last week and asked for a DVR with HDMI and was issued one of the old DCT models with HDMI. When my friend asked what size hard drive was in it he was told 160Gb. Wrong. I even showed him where you could read the hard drive capacity through the vent. 120Gb. The Comcast reps do not know what hardware they have or what it will do.

When I first asked about the new DCH models I was told that they did not go by model numbers and I should just ask for the "new silver ones". Huh???

Bottom line, keep calling and asking for the DCH 6416 and do not accept the older DCT model.


Thanks for the help. So the DCH 6416 - is it also made by Motorola? Panasonic was supposed to begin making DVRs for Comcast but have not heard anything about that in a while. Does the 6416 look different than the 6412 that I have (which is silver). Also, does it pass audio over HDMI?

Thanks for the help. So the DCH 6416 - is it also made by Motorola? Panasonic was supposed to begin making DVRs for Comcast but have not heard anything about that in a while. Does the 6416 look different than the 6412 that I have (which is silver). Also, does it pass audio over HDMI?

The DCH 6416 is made by Motorola (http://www.motorola.com/business/v/item.jsp?vgnextoid=8f2449857f517110VgnVCM1000008406b00aRCRD&localeId=33). It looks different than the old DCT models. It passes DD 5.1 over the HDMI connection.

The DCH 6416 is made by Motorola (http://www.motorola.com/business/v/item.jsp?vgnextoid=8f2449857f517110VgnVCM1000008406b00aRCRD&localeId=33). It looks different than the old DCT models. It passes DD 5.1 over the HDMI connection.

Thanks. I am going to try and get one of those next week. ABC on Comcast Ch 431 was even worse than usual last night (Thursday) again. The funny thing is none of the other channels have that problem, or nowhere near that extent anyway. Hope the new DVR cures everything.

Ah good old Comcast... I can only get SD HBO for the De La Hoya fight this evening

Last weekend I was able to pick up the digital signal of GPT/WXGA (Waycross) in NE Tallahassee. I am looking forward to WABW going digital and moving its antenna to Metcalf.

With my amplified GS-1100, I am able to pick up the Tallahassee digital channels consistently and WALB about half of the time. Other digital channels from Dothan, Columbus, Panama City, and Gainesville are infrequently received.

Last weekend I was able to pick up the digital signal of GPT/WXGA (Waycross) in NE Tallahassee. I am looking forward to WABW going digital and moving its antenna to Metcalf.

With my amplified GS-1100, I am able to pick up the Tallahassee digital channels consistently and WALB about half of the time. Other digital channels from Dothan, Columbus, Panama City, and Gainesville are infrequently received.

But, plans change. I talked to GPB's director of engineering and there is now a "new" plan for WABW. Ch 14 Analog is at 1/4 power and will stay that way. They will put a channel 5 digital on that tower with only about 190 watts aimed away from us to protect ch 6. After analog goes away, they will put up a ch 6 digital on the Pelham tower. (WCTV is staying on ch 46)

So no Ga digital until after the transition unless you can get Waycross.

Hey PBSengineer,

I noticed WFSU's GM was prominently featured in the Democrat's article on the digital television transition, but is there any update for WFSU you would like to offer? Maybe a preview of what PBS is planning to do to provide HD to y'all post-transition.

But, plans change. I talked to GPB's director of engineering and there is now a "new" plan for WABW. Ch 14 Analog is at 1/4 power and will stay that way. They will put a channel 5 digital on that tower with only about 190 watts aimed away from us to protect ch 6. After analog goes away, they will put up a ch 6 digital on the Pelham tower. (WCTV is staying on ch 46)

So no Ga digital until after the transition unless you can get Waycross.

Thanks for the clear information. This explains why my Ch. 14 analog signal had deteriorated. I also had the sequence of their digital antenna moves backward.

At my house, I pick up Waycross infrequently.

Thanks again!

Well I guess I will be apologizing to WTXL about all those glitches I had on recent Thursdays. I swapped out my Comcast DVR 6412 for the newer DCH 6416 and so far everything works and looks better. I had to argue with the front desk to get the DCH 6416 and not the DTC 6416, although I don't know how much difference there is other than appearance. So a big thanks to Texadillo on his advice. Of course the big test comes up next Thursday, so here's hoping ABC still looks good then.

Of course the big test comes up next Thursday...
...How many swerves and twists will Lost have this episode and how much can you tolerate them :p

Last weekend I was able to pick up the digital signal of GPT/WXGA (Waycross) in NE Tallahassee.The GPB/Cochran station WMUM, now has 3 channels in it's Mux:
29.1 = HD GPB feed
29.2 = SD GPB feed
29.3 = SD PBS feed

Maybe WXGA also has 3 now?

Hey PBSengineer,

I noticed WFSU's GM was prominently featured in the Democrat's article on the digital television transition, but is there any update for WFSU you would like to offer? Maybe a preview of what PBS is planning to do to provide HD to y'all post-transition.

According to PBS at the Tech Conference last month, they hope to have 6 nights of HD up by the analog cut-off date in Feb. Some of it will be upconverted SD material.
Here, updating to be able to produce HD will require Fed grants. We have applied for some but must wait until fall to hear. As per the wonderful Florida Legislature, funding from Florida or FSU is hard to get.

According to PBS at the Tech Conference last month, they hope to have 6 nights of HD up by the analog cut-off date in Feb. Some of it will be upconverted SD material.
Here, updating to be able to produce HD will require Fed grants. We have applied for some but must wait until fall to hear. As per the wonderful Florida Legislature, funding from Florida or FSU is hard to get.I hear you about state funding, but I am glad that PBS is trying to offer you a solution post-transition that doesn't involve needing those expensive video servers you mentioned last we spoke. BTW, thanks for getting the NewsHour in HD. Much appreciated!

The GPB/Cochran station WMUM, now has 3 channels in it's Mux:
29.1 = HD GPB feed
29.2 = SD GPB feed
29.3 = SD PBS feed

Maybe WXGA also has 3 now?

WXGA is now broadcasting with 2 additional sub-channels. So far, all three channels are showing the same content. Channel mapdown has changed from 9.1 (etc) to 8.1 (etc).

Point of discussion:
Currently WFSU upconverts what's on channel 11 at night if we do not have the content in HD. When we upconvert, we stretch it to 14x9. Should we?
Pros: it more fills the screen--someone who bought a big 16x9 screen wants it filled (I see many people who stretch 4x3 content to fill the screen - ugh!)
Cons: it telegraphs when we are not HD. Some graphics may be cut off. Britcoms tend to frame tighter so some heads may be cut off. It gets us fat people.

So -- the question is: What should we do with content that we do not have in HD or even in 16x9? Wascally wabbits want to know.

I vote for OAR (original aspect ratio) for all programming.

So -- the question is: What should we do with content that we do not have in HD or even in 16x9? Wascally wabbits want to know.

I would show it unstretched. I have to stretch 4:3 on my family room tv because it is CRT and hence I have to guard against (additional) burn-in from watching 4:3, but I think it is more important to show it OAR; if the BritTV (or other non-HD programming you broadcast) is originally 4:3, that is the way you should transmit it.

Point of discussion:
Currently WFSU upconverts what's on channel 11 at night if we do not have the content in HD. When we upconvert, we stretch it to 14x9. Should we?
Pros: it more fills the screen--someone who bought a big 16x9 screen wants it filled (I see many people who stretch 4x3 content to fill the screen - ugh!)
Cons: it telegraphs when we are not HD. Some graphics may be cut off. Britcoms tend to frame tighter so some heads may be cut off. It gets us fat people.

So -- the question is: What should we do with content that we do not have in HD or even in 16x9? Wascally wabbits want to know.
I would vote that only HD and widescreen programs be shown in 1080i while every other program be shown in 480i where the viewer controls how it is displayed on their TV set. Remember the folks with the digital boxes for the older TV's would zoom in HD to 4:3 and the SD would fill the 4:3 naturally.

If you have the program in widescreen, then present it as such in 16:9 on the HD channel. That would be the biggest improvement over the current situation that I can see. Maybe record 16:9 programs anamorphically in SD for repeating?

Hi. I'm living in an apartment complex across from Tallahassee Community College and I'm able to pick up WCTV/WCTV2 (6-1, 6-2), FSU (11-1,11-2,11-3,11-4), and WTLH (49.1, 49.2). While I do get ABC 27 and NBC 40, ABC 27 is pretty clear and NBC 40 came out a bit more static, but still watchable with audio very loud and clear without any static.

ABC 27 (analog channel 27)
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/12/abc27yz0.th.jpg (http://img186.imageshack.us/my.php?image=abc27yz0.jpg)

NBC 40 (analog channel 40)
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/4754/nbc40sk7.th.jpg (http://img218.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nbc40sk7.jpg)

I watch TV with my Mitsubishi WD-Y577 (crap, but at least I can get x.v.Color and 1080P when it comes to PS3 with HDMI and I'm using my HDTV as my PC) and with closed caption turns on (it shows up pretty good for me).

This is my antenna that I'm using (it sets atop in following from top-to-bottom: Hi-Sped Internet Welcome box -> my suitcase -> dresser (okay, that's silly, but it does work with proper location/rotation -- LOL):

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/4995/tvantennaui2.th.jpg (http://img502.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tvantennaui2.jpg)

It's so close to my ceiling in my first floor apartment. This is so I can get WTCV and WTLH, but not WTLF. So, my antenna seems to pickup some stations with no problems despite tall trees everywhere that seems to hamper the signal path...

Okay, so I couldn't remember what I just read from previous posts/pages, I wonder why can't I get WTWC HD and WTXL HD? Again, my signals are not detecting the two.

I'm getting rid of Comcast HD+Digital Cable and even not having basic cable service as I don't watch TV shows for months... Although I'll miss ESPN HD, I'll just have to save a lot of money every month (okay, as a reminder, no price talk...) but still get high-speed Internet service.

Well GraysonPeddie,

It appears that the issue with WTWC-DT may be that it is VHF Channel 2. Have you tried to watch WCTV Analog Channel 6? If it comes in really badly, try adjusting your antenna to improve that signal. I usually do that and once it improves, I get 40.1 and 40.2.

As for WTXL-DT, you should be able to get it if you get the analog 27 in Tallahassee. I would think fixing the VHF issue could improve the reception on WTXL-DT so you can get it. Even at the lower power WTXL-DT is at right now, you should be able to get it in Tally.

Good luck and let us know how it goes. You could always try another antenna or maybe try relocating your antenna if possible.

Okay. If I turn my antenna 180 degrees so that the planar faces toward the wall, I can barely pick up channel 6, which shows up in the scanner, but then I tried different angles, and the best possible position I can get is if the planar faces northwest as I think the signal hits the planar and sends the signal to the antenna as it does seem to work like a satellite dish of some sort, so anyway, the antenna facing northwest is the one shown in the photo in my previous post. As for relocating my antenna, I tried it on the right side of my HDTV (even the top), but it doesn't work very well.

So, it's kind of strange to me that I can't get channel 6, but can be able to pick up channel 6-1 and 6-2 as 6-1 is mapped to channel 46. However, my antenna is able to pick up channel 11 and subchannels of 11 (for example: 11-1 and 11-2). As for the video quality of analog channel 11, it's not as good as other analog channels, but the audio signal is good.

About the antenna (Winegard SharpShooter), I don't really think this antenna is good for a very low VHF, but when connected to the receiver, I'm able to receive radio stations just fine, but that's not really the topic of this thread anyway; nevertheless, I did the experienment to make sure VHF works with the antenna.

Anyway, I might have to look for antenna that can receive channel 2 very well (by checking for reviews and go as expensive as I can afford :() but I really don't like how they choose a channel number very low (*sigh* excuse my complaint/whining)... :( I thought about getting a Channel Master 4221 for UHF, but my current antenna is a good as CM 4221 as it only pulls up to 30 miles with an indoor antenna (I don't really care about size and asthetics :)).

Edit: Strike out DB8. I've changed to Channel Master 4221 after I've done more research. I thought about getting DB8 but it's highly directional and seems to be worse than 4228 (I read this in HDTVPrimer's website). Minimizing mistakes really helps be a better educated buyer when it comes to buying an indoor antenna for my apartment.

I think WTWC is moving to a higher number after Feb. 2009.

I think WTWC is moving to a higher number after Feb. 2009.
WTWC-DT will be broadcasting on channel 40 (its current analog channel) after 2-17-09, using a megawatt transmitter (see the PDF file of final channel elections at the FCC's Web site).

Point of discussion:
Currently WFSU upconverts what's on channel 11 at night if we do not have the content in HD. When we upconvert, we stretch it to 14x9. Should we?
Pros: it more fills the screen--someone who bought a big 16x9 screen wants it filled (I see many people who stretch 4x3 content to fill the screen - ugh!)
Cons: it telegraphs when we are not HD. Some graphics may be cut off. Britcoms tend to frame tighter so some heads may be cut off. It gets us fat people.

So -- the question is: What should we do with content that we do not have in HD or even in 16x9? Wascally wabbits want to know.

ALWAYS OAR!! Most people have HDTVs that can ZOOM the programming, but nobody has a feature that can UN-ZOOM the programming.

BTW, WACS-DT (GPB) is now LIVE, so maybe WABW-DT will be soon for some of you in South Georgia...

Also, WTLH-DT, are you broadcasting a new digital sub-channel? I was picking up something this morning on 50-3?

~Alan<~~~~~~~~Who once saw J Lo. in "STRETCH-O-VISION", and her "bootay" was magnafied to the nth degree!!

Thanks for your input, but alas, my input is not welcome here and is, in fact, viewed with distain. The decision has been made to keep broadcasting non-HD programs as upconverted 14x9.

Thanks for your input, but alas, my input is not welcome here and is, in fact, viewed with distain. The decision has been made to keep broadcasting non-HD programs as upconverted 14x9.

Not surprising (regarding the AR), but are you saying that your bosses view you posting here with disdain, because I think all of us here appreciate you posting here...

~Alan

Not surprising (regarding the AR), but are you saying that your bosses view you posting here with disdain, because I think all of us here appreciate you posting here...

~Alan

Second that!

Not surprising (regarding the AR), but are you saying that your bosses view you posting here with disdain, because I think all of us here appreciate you posting here...

~Alan

Amen Alan.

Guess it may be time to send some e-mails over to WFSU's management to deliver the message to them. I don't understand the need to upconvert programs esp. when WFSU switches so well from 480i to 1080i. If left at 480i, then grandma's TV would fill the screen automatically.

Right now, the digital set top boxes eligible for the coupon that WFSU says to get in the PSAs would have cut off part of grandma's viewing area and still has thin black bars on top and bottom for widescreen programs not in HD.

Maybe we should make the point to the powers that run WFSU for the consensus on this board. PBSEngineer has the hardest operation in town to run with all the switching, digital subchannels, and extra TV/Radio transmitters for Panama City/the outer areas on the coast. The work is appreciated greatly!

Not surprising (regarding the AR), but are you saying that your bosses view you posting here with disdain, because I think all of us here appreciate you posting here...

~Alan

Thank you. No I can't even get them to come here to check out what goes on in Tallahassee. They probably don't know what I say here. It just seems that all the suggestions are ignored because everyone above me here knows better what Tallahassee wants.:(

Maybe it was covered and I missed it, but does anyone know why FOX WTLH on Comcast ch 434 is showing HD programs letterboxed inside a 4:3 aspect? I can zoom it up to fill my 16:9 screen and it does look remarkably like true HD, but it can't be if I am getting it in 480i (4:3) letterboxed with gray sidebars. Plus their non-HD programs look weird and require more aspect adjustment just to be viewable. WTF?

Maybe it was covered and I missed it, but does anyone know why FOX WTLH on Comcast ch 434 is showing HD programs letterboxed inside a 4:3 aspect? I can zoom it up to fill my 16:9 screen and it does look remarkably like true HD, but it can't be if I am getting it in 480i (4:3) letterboxed with gray sidebars. Plus their non-HD programs look weird and require more aspect adjustment just to be viewable. WTF?

I have the same problems and have found some work arounds until they get it straightened out. It seems to be a signal problem with the STB. When an HD program is being displayed letterboxed, change to another HD channel and then back. Most of the time the picture will display correctly. If you have the DVR STB you can also try to pause the program and then hit play. Any HD progams recorded off FOX can have the problem and stopping and starting the playback will fix it.

This probably isn't related, but anytime I view HD programming using the OnDemand channel, the same thing happens with every program or movie. (HD in letterbox with sidebars). Pausing and then hitting play will cause the STB to shift to HD mode and display correctly. This happens on both boxes I have. (1 is DVR, the other not)

Thank you. No I can't even get them to come here to check out what goes on in Tallahassee. They probably don't know what I say here. It just seems that all the suggestions are ignored because everyone above me here knows better what Tallahassee wants.:(

I've generally found that to be the case with broadcasters (though some of the fine people here that work for the stations are exceptions). However, in the case of the AR issue, they may be correct. As HDTV goes mainstream, the "Pan & Scan" DVD viewers are NOT going to want to watch black bars on the sides of their TVs. When TBS-HD went HD, they claimed it was because the viewers wanted a widescreen image all the time, and when HGTV-HD went to a HD-simulcast channel, a lot of people didn't notice that they started stretching their picture... they just assumed it was the same HD picture they were getting. Sadly, I'm expecting this to get worse before it gets better. My only hope is that actors/actresses will start to complain to the BIG providers about being "stretched" to look fat, as well as directors/producers/studios, and this might cause them to re-think their "stretch-o-vision" use.

~Alan

Maybe it was covered and I missed it, but does anyone know why FOX WTLH on Comcast ch 434 is showing HD programs letterboxed inside a 4:3 aspect? I can zoom it up to fill my 16:9 screen and it does look remarkably like true HD, but it can't be if I am getting it in 480i (4:3) letterboxed with gray sidebars. Plus their non-HD programs look weird and require more aspect adjustment just to be viewable. WTF?

This also happens on ESPN when Comast inserts the "local ads" that are not HD or network fed.

Yeah. I found it embarrassing when the feed gets switched to local ads by Comcast. For example, when I connect my cable box to my HDTV via DVI->HDMI, it will take about 5 seconds before my screen shows up on 480i, so I missed five seconds of content because of my Mitsubishi 57" WD-Y577 DLP HDTV, so when it switches back to 720p, it will take another 5 seconds for ESPN HD content to show up. So my question is, why not stay in 720p but broadcast in 4x3 local aspect ratio when showing local ads?

Yeah. I found it embarrassing when the feed gets switched to local ads by Comcast. For example, when I connect my cable box to my HDTV via DVI->HDMI, it will take about 5 seconds before my screen shows up on 480i, so I missed five seconds of content because of my Mitsubishi 57" WD-Y577 DLP HDTV, so when it switches back to 720p, it will take another 5 seconds for ESPN HD content to show up. So my question is, why not stay in 720p but broadcast in 4x3 local aspect ratio when showing local ads?

One solution (and best IMO) would be for the FCC to mandate that ALL new digital broadcasting (HD and SD) must show a 16:9 aspect, while allowing a transition period of say 2 years to make the change. By then the vast majority of viewers will have a WS HDTV and will be constantly irritated by sidebars. A waiver would be allowed for reruns of old shows made prior to a certain date, maybe when digital broadcasts began. Stretching would be outlawed, but zoom could be used as long as the original proportions were maintained and the image was watchable. Programs/movies made with wider than 16:9 aspect would also be waived, so we would still see an occational letterbox on some movies, but that is easily dealt with by most digital TVs these days if someone reallyhates those black top/bottom bars.

Anyone having issues with Comcast pixelating on FSN Florida HD (Channel 401) during events? I have also noticed pixelation on some other channels. Thankfully Comcast has started doing all-digital simulcast here in Tallahassee so I get minor pixelation on SD channels instead of the banding on analog when issues arose. My signal strength is around 20 dBz according to my box's service menu which is "Good" according to the on-screen menu.

Also, what non-DVR, HD STB is Comcast using in Tallahassee as of late? I have a DCT6200, but have heard they may be deploying DCH3200 now instead. Also, any news on the DCX3200 and Tru2Way coming to Tallahassee?

Also, what non-DVR, HD STB is Comcast using in Tallahassee as of late? I have a DCT6200, but have heard they may be deploying DCH3200 now instead. Also, any news on the DCX3200 and Tru2Way coming to Tallahassee?

They are using the DCH boxes. I have had one since January.

They are using the DCH boxes. I have had one since January.Did you get it at Comcast or did they come install it for you?

I haven't been to the forums in awhile. But I just noticed Channel 402 for Comcast in Tallahassee. It looks as if it is Comcast Sports HD. I've noticed a bunch of SEC Baseball Tourney games on it. Anyone have more info on this and if the channel is permanent? There is no description of it at all on the "guide."

Did you get it at Comcast or did they come install it for you?

I picked it up.

I haven't been to the forums in awhile. But I just noticed Channel 402 for Comcast in Tallahassee. It looks as if it is Comcast Sports HD. I've noticed a bunch of SEC Baseball Tourney games on it. Anyone have more info on this and if the channel is permanent? There is no description of it at all on the "guide."
It is a temporary channel as of right now, but I think the 402 slot could be used for Sun Sports and CSS in the future as they create more HD programming. For more on Comcast Sports Southeast, check out http://www.css-sports.com/

BTW, Comcast is raising cable rates $2-3 for most people, but HD rates stay at $6.95. The DVR rate goes up $2 to $13.95.

I picked it up.
That's good, previously only techs were allowed to install any boxes containing a CableCard according to Comcast Tallahassee. I will have to take my DCT box in to get a DCH box. It lasted me about a year before deciding to misbehave. Hopefully the DCH box is smaller and does a better job for me. I hope we get those DCX boxes Motorola/Comcast have promised soon.

Quick question...right now I've got Dish Network and I get my locals OTA out of tallahassee. If I switch to mediacom, is there an outlet in the back of their reciever for my antenna? Will I still have the guide info? Only reason Im thinking of switching is to take advantage of their promotional package- Cable tv, cable internet, phone for ~$90...and I'll be able to watch the Braves again;)

If I switch to mediacom, is there an outlet in the back of their reciever for my antenna? Will I still have the guide info?
Cableco STB's usually do not have ports for OTA antennas (although boxes with such ports are reportedly in development). You can do what I did: use an RF modulator. Connect the STB to one input port on the modulator, and the antenna to the "ANT IN" port or another input port.

Quick question...right now I've got Dish Network and I get my locals OTA out of tallahassee. If I switch to mediacom, is there an outlet in the back of their reciever for my antenna? Will I still have the guide info? Only reason Im thinking of switching is to take advantage of their promotional package- Cable tv, cable internet, phone for ~$90...and I'll be able to watch the Braves again;)The cable box won't take the OTA feed, but you can plug it into an ATSC tuner if your TV has one. I do that with my Vizio and Comcast here in Tallahassee.

Comcast -> HD Cable Box -> Vizio <- Built-In ATSC Tuner <- Rabbit Ears

I have been using Comcast for years and currently have HD digital basic (no premiums) and I am wondering what if anything will change come next February, with regard to Comcast, OTA locals, and satellite? Will OTA broadcasts to all digital be the only change, or will Comcast do anything different? Presumably the lower (<110) cable channels will clean up a good bit with digital-only feeds, but then they already get a lot of digital SD feeds from satellite that look less than great. And of course all those channels will have to be converted back to analog for all those non-HDTV households. Does that sound right, or does anyone else have any info or insight as to what might happen with Comcast. And while we are at it, does anyone know if there is any chance Verizon will bring FIO service here anytime soon?

And while we are at it, does anyone know if there is any chance Verizon will bring FIOS service here anytime soon?

Verizon's plans include providing their landline footprint with FIOS, but at this time, have not mentioned any plans to offer FIOS in areas without local Verizon phone service.

To my knowledge, Verizon does not offer local landline phone service in Tallahassee... as (and I could be wrong) I believe that AT&T are the local phone service monopoly. AT&T could bring U-Verse to Tallahassee though...

~Alan

Verizon's plans include providing their landline footprint with FIOS, but at this time, have not mentioned any plans to offer FIOS in areas without local Verizon phone service.

To my knowledge, Verizon does not offer local landline phone service in Tallahassee... as (and I could be wrong) I believe that AT&T are the local phone service monopoly. AT&T could bring U-Verse to Tallahassee though...

~Alan


In Tallahassee, Embarq (previously Sprint) is the designated monopoly. Anyway, FIOS uses all-fiber direct to the user's home, so regardless Verizon will have to string new cable to get their service widely used. If there is not already, there should be a law that fiber lines already in place (and I believe Comcast has fiber into neighborhoods) must allow anyone to lease space on the lines. Verizon would then just have to run fiber into user homes. Otherwise, existing monopolies will never have any local competition, other than satellite.

Embarq said it was going to start testing a TV service.

In Tallahassee, Embarq (previously Sprint) is the designated monopoly.

WHOOPS! I could have sworn somebody mentioned AT&T on this board being the local monopoly...

Anyway, FIOS uses all-fiber direct to the user's home, so regardless Verizon will have to string new cable to get their service widely used. If there is not already, there should be a law that fiber lines already in place (and I believe Comcast has fiber into neighborhoods) must allow anyone to lease space on the lines. Verizon would then just have to run fiber into user homes. Otherwise, existing monopolies will never have any local competition, other than satellite.

You're missing the point! At this time, Verizon is ONLY (http://www.dslreports.com/faq/11713) rolling out FIOS services in their own network territories... and most people predict (http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/NextGen-Broadband-Coverage-To-Be-Spotty-94736) that FIOS won't even be rolled out to all of them due to the lack of return to their investment.

It's expected that AT&T will also "cherry-pick" some of their markets as well.

Don't get me wrong, I'd LOVE for AT&T or Verizon (especially the latter) to offer their services in my area as I can't get cable, and I'd LOVE to receive more choices than satellite... even though I'm very happy with my service. It's just that at this time, the telcos have only announced plans for their own networks, and it's expected to take years for them to get decent coverage area of them, and they're not expected to offer them to all of their network.

That being said, other than competition in services, the telcos entrance to the Pay-TV market has been somewhat lackluster in regard to competition in price. For instance, when Verizon first started, a comparable package to have I have with DirecTV now would have been a lot cheaper. Their hardware prices would have raised my bill higher than it is with satellite, but if I got a stand-alone TiVo and used CableCards, I actually would have come out about equal... or just a little below what I paid. Since that time, it has been proven that Verizon has yet to meet a price increase it didn't like, and I would now be paying MORE for FIOS than what I do now with DirecTV (and get a whole lot less HD channels) regardless of how I do the hardware.

~Alan

Embarq said it was going to start testing a TV service.

I've asked Embarq about this and have always been told, "maybe in the future". This would be welcome news indeed.

These boards have been great. Thank you for all of the good information. I've got a couple of questions to throw out that I'm hoping you all can help me with.

First - OTA reception. I live in a townhouse around the Park Avenue/Cap. Circle SE area. I've tried different indoor antennas (Philips MANT510 and 940, and the Terk HDTVa, even a homemade antenna), but have not had a lot of consistent luck. I've been trying to avoid heading toward an outdoor antenna (don't really want to tick off the neighbors), but I'm not sure I have any other consistent solution for OTA. I can usually get channels 6 and 49 (and their subs), but 11 and 27 are often a challenge, and 40 is darn near impossible (broadcasts on VHF 2). Do you have recommendations for antennas that have worked well in this area? I could keep the basic cable service with Comcast and go QAM, but I then lose the ability to DVR those stations.

Second - DirecTV HD vs. Dish HD. I'm considering going back to satellite service. I'm a former DirecTV customer and was relatively happy with them, so I'm tending to lean that way. However, Embarq offers a bundle that includes Dish Network. I already have phone with Embarq, and would move to DSL if I were to drop Comcast completely. Their bundle could potentially save me a fair amount of money. For those that have seen the HD offerings on both, what is your opinion on how they compare, in particular in picture quality? I've heard that Dish's ViP 622 and 722 DVRs are the greatest things since sliced bread - are they really that good? I like sports, but I don't know if I'd want to spend the money on MLB EI or NFL Sunday Ticket. Of course, I would plan to use the OTA antenna in conjunction to get local channels in HD with the ability to DVR.

Thank you very much for any suggestions you could offer.

Welcome Ernest_T,

Have you tried using an outdoor antenna in your attic? That should be able to get you good digital reception while keeping the neighbors happy.

As for Dish vs. DirecTV, my parents have Dish and absolutely love the 722 DVR included with most HD service packages.

Dish also offers an HD-only programming package for around $30 if you are interested.

The EMBARQ bundle allows you $10 off DSL and $5 off Dish. The EMBARQ store at Governor's Square Mall has been quite helpful when I have been there and they have everything setup in displays that you can play with.

I have used DSL service in Tallahassee from EMBARQ for about 2 years and recommend it to anybody. If you are an FSUCard holder you can get a $3/month discount on EMBARQ DSL service from FSU@Home (http://www.otc.fsu.edu/Student/Offer/AHOffer.html). The prices on the FSU page do not include the $10 discount for having an EMBARQ Basic Phone Package. I pay $26.99 a month for 3mbps DSL service.

If you can free yourself from Comcast, I would recommend it. I wish I didn't have trees blocking my line-of-sight.

If you have any questions or need a Dish referral, just PM me.

If you have any questions or need a Dish referral, just PM me.

I also have a DirecTV referral if you need it!

Seriously though, it all comes down to what YOU like. Dish does not work for me. A comparable setup/package with Dish would cost me A LOT more a month than it does with DirecTV.

Though I'm a TiVo fan, DirecTV has really improved their HD DVR. I haven't used Dish's HD DVRs, but I like some of the features on DirecTV's HD DVR that Dish's doesn't have. I'm also a "beta tester" of sorts for DirecTV's HD DVR and I've heard of some upcoming features that we can all look forward to later this year and next.

DirecTV has also begun testing their new satellite (in orbit) which will allow them to offer 140-150 national channels this Summer, as well as the Tallahassee HD locals. One advantage of HD locals are that they will be in MPEG-4 and take up less room on your HD DVR allowing you more space to record.

If you want to watch your RSN in HD, DirecTV is the only way to do that (to my knowledge).

DirecTV will also be bringing out a new type of satellite dish that will use only ONE (1) cable from the dish, and will require only ONE cable to your HD DVR (instead of two), and to my knowledge, Dish still requires more than one cable.

There are other reasons as well why I would recommend DirecTV over Dish Network, but as I said, it really comes down to what's important to you, and to who would offer you the most "bang" for your buck.

~Alan

Dish has the RSNs in HD.

Dish has the RSNs in HD.

Last I heard, they were on spot-beams and only available in their respective cities? Has this changed?

If it's changed, I'll go back and edit my post...

~Alan

Last I heard, they were on spot-beams and only available in their respective cities? Has this changed?

If it's changed, I'll go back and edit my post...

~Alan

No need to edit Alan. It really isn't a big issue. Dish does require a second dish in Florida for FSN Florida HD and Sun Sports HD, but they are available statewide.

DirecTV was the one the was spotbeam only for a while.

No worries. :)

If anyone is interested, WACS DT is now mapping 3 channels at 25.1 HD, 25.2 SD simulcast, and 25.3 SD alternate programming

Thank you CapeFish and Alan for the information. I didn't know about the displays at the Embarq store, so I'll have to check those out. Not a big fan of the dual dish idea, but I'd be interested in seeing what that looks like before shooting it down entirely. I have been watching the happenings with DirecTV 11 with a lot of interest, so that bodes well for D*. I'll need to do some number crunching and channel lineup comparisons before making my choice. Initial crunching seems to lean toward Dish, but I believe there's also a discount for DirecTV available with my AAA membership, although I don't think it's permanent.

I had DSL at 1.5mbps during my first DirecTV run, back when Sprint was still the provider. I already have an idea of what to expect there, although I'd probably go 3mbps this time. Admittedly, I've been a bit spoiled by Comcast HSI, but the DSL speed should be sufficient for what I generally do.

Concerning the antenna - thankfully, I may be able to get a friend to help me with this project. An attic install might be possible, depending on space and if we can get the cable routed to the TV. The attic doesn't extend all the way into the living room area and it looks a little tight, so we will have to consider the options. Still trying to decide between a UHF/VHF combo, such as the Wineguard 7082P, or a UHF only, like the ChannelMaster 4228 or Antennas Direct 91XG, and just deal with NBC in SD for now. Any additional suggestions would be welcome.

Ernest T - are you named after the character on Andy Griffth? Ernest T. Bass was played by Howard Morris and was one of my favorites on that show. Guess that really dates me, eh?

Yep - that's where I pulled the name from. I've always been a big Andy Griffith Show fan, and Ernest was one of my favorite characters. Howard Morris was a great character actor. He did a lot of voice work for cartoons, and directed a number of TAGS episodes as well. I wasn't around for the original TAGS run (was born immediately afterward), but I own the first four seasons on DVD.

I haven't found a way to do avatars on this forum, or I'd have a picture of him showing along with the name.

I'm not sure if this has been posted, but Comcast has added the following HD channels. Not sure how much content is actually HD.

444 ABC Family HD
445 Disney HD
446 Science HD

I'm not sure if this has been posted, but Comcast has added the following HD channels. Not sure how much content is actually HD.

444 ABC Family HD
445 Disney HD
446 Science HD

Thanks! I did not know about these how long have they been up? I rarely go above 440. I wish they would notify us of new channels.

I'm not sure if this has been posted, but Comcast has added the following HD channels. Not sure how much content is actually HD.

444 ABC Family HD
445 Disney HD
446 Science HD

I came across those myself and once again I am disappointed to see HD bandwidth devoted primarily to SD material. What the hell is the point of claiming HD channel status if you show everything but a few original series in SD? There oughta be a law!!!

I have noticed a recent loss of PQ in SD channels on Comcast HD, and am wondering if its because I recently replaced the Motorola DCT 6412 with the DCH 6416? I copy a lot of SD music videos on my Panasonic EH55 and now see striated edges on curves and angles that was not noticeable before. Usually I get excellent copy results even using the SP speed. It occurs to me that S-video output on the DCH is of a lower quality than on the DCT. Has anyone else who switched from the DCT to the DCH model noticed this? I hate to have to revert to the DCT model but if it has superior S-video output I will. Am I correct to assume the DCT 6416 has a 160GB HDD same as the DCH 6416? Does it also output audio over HDMI? Anyone noticed the quality of it's S-video output? Any helpful comments will be appreciated.

I have noticed a recent loss of PQ in SD channels on Comcast HD, and am wondering if its because I recently replaced the Motorola DCT 6412 with the DCH 6416? I copy a lot of SD music videos on my Panasonic EH55 and now see striated edges on curves and angles that was not noticeable before. Usually I get excellent copy results even using the SP speed. It occurs to me that S-video output on the DCH is of a lower quality than on the DCT. Has anyone else who switched from the DCT to the DCH model noticed this? I hate to have to revert to the DCT model but if it has superior S-video output I will. Am I correct to assume the DCT 6416 has a 160GB HDD same as the DCH 6416? Does it also output audio over HDMI? Anyone noticed the quality of it's S-video output? Any helpful comments will be appreciated.

The DCT 6416 does have a 160Gb HD. It will also output audo over HDMI. When I switched from the DCT6416 to the DCH6416 I did not notice a drop in SD quality. I may not be the best source though as I watch very little in SD.

Over the weekend, WABW-DT filed for a license to cover their construction permit, implying they're on the air on channel 5. Anyone seeing it?

- Trip

I live in the heart of Tallahassee. For the likes of me I can't get channel 40.1.
This is a channel I really miss. Also for some reason Fox is showing up horizontally squeezed. I have a regular sized TV. In other words, I don't have a wide screen TV. But Fox is showing the black bars on the left and right side of my screen. I have the correct screen 4:8 ratio. All the other channels don't have this problem, so I think it has something to do with FOX. What do you think?

Don't expect too much out of WTWC-DT without a massive roof antenna. They're on channel 2 digitally, and channels 2-6 are just awful for digital transmissions. They'll be moving back to channel 40 at 1000 kW next year and you'll be able to see it loud and clear then.

Any word at all on WABW-DT, anyone?

- Trip

I live in the heart of Tallahassee. For the likes of me I can't get channel 40.1.
This is a channel I really miss. Also for some reason Fox is showing up horizontally squeezed. I have a regular sized TV. In other words, I don't have a wide screen TV. But Fox is showing the black bars on the left and right side of my screen. I have the correct screen 4:8 ratio. All the other channels don't have this problem, so I think it has something to do with FOX. What do you think?

The problem is with FOX - they don't have a clue how to broadcast digitally and so they are faking it best they can.

To heathbo - like Trip said, WTWC - DT is very difficult to pick up because of the channel they broadcast on. That being said, I've been having some pretty good luck with the Philips MANT510. I picked it up at Lowe's for less than $30. The dipoles on either side of the antenna are fully extended and lowered to a completely horizontal position, and it seems to be working for me. My only gripe right now - I can't seem to get WFSU or its subchannels to come in. Most of the towers are NE of us, but WFSU's is to the SW. As always, your mileage may vary, but you should be able to return it if it doesn't work for you.

As for my satellite choice, I finally took the plunge yesterday and re-signed up with DirecTV. I called the number for the AAA discount, and by doing that, was able to get $10/month off for 24 months, in addition to the new customer deals currently available online (I've been away for just under 2 years). I went with the Plus HD DVR package. My install is set for Saturday morning. I don't know which receiver I'll get, but I've made clear that I want to connnect an OTA antenna to it. Hopefully, if I get the HR21, they'll throw the AM21 in for free (crosses fingers for that). :)

I did get a chance to check out the Dish display at the Embarq store, where they had a ViP622 running. I have to admit, the interface was impressive and very tempting, and the number crunching seemed to favor E*. But with the launch and testing of DirecTV 11, next year's planned launch of DirecTV 12, and the current lead that D* has in HD channels over E*, there was just too much potential on the D* side for me to ignore.

The problem is with FOX - they don't have a clue how to broadcast digitally and so they are faking it best they can.

40.1 is WTWC NBC not FOX!

I think they are aware of that. Heathbo also asked about the squeezed picture WTLH is broadcasting. Last night, their PQ seemed worse than usual too.

As I posted in the Albany forum, WABW-DT is on but unwatchable. Folks in Tallahassee are unlikely to receive it right now (just like those of us in South Georgia can't get WTLF 24).

40.1 is WTWC NBC not FOX!

I was responding to post 3341 where heathbo complained about the formatting issues on HD FOX.

I think I know what is causing SD resolution to be degraded on Comcast - the new HD channels they recently added had to take bandwidth from somewhere, and SD already being pretty crappy anyway they decided it was okay to make it worse, which they did. On top of that they had the nerve to increase the in-house wiring maintenance coverage from $0.32/mo to $2.99/mo. Never having had any in-house problems with wiring, I will pass. But Comcast sucks!

Just found this Tallahassee thread. Any idea when DirecTV will have the local channels in HD? Wishing I could record shows in HD that the major networks show. Would especially be nice if I could record the upsoming Olympics in HD, but I know that probably won't be possible :(

Just found this Tallahassee thread. Any idea when DirecTV will have the local channels in HD? Wishing I could record shows in HD that the major networks show. Would especially be nice if I could record the upsoming Olympics in HD, but I know that probably won't be possible :(
There is no way to know when D* will roll out HD locals. This has been discussed numerous times on this and other threads. With the recent launch of the newest bird I'm cautiously hopeful that we will get them sometime this year. As of now, you are stuck with getting locals over-the-air (OTA). For newer D* receivers that do not have OTA input, there is an add-on box (AM21 Off-Air Tuner) you can purcahse that I think will let you record local HD. See this link:

https://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/mydirectv/cep/myProgrammingKits.jsp

Just to follow-up I checked D*'s webpage and its latest info concerning the newest bird, D11 is:

DIRECTV 11, the tenth owned and operated satellite in the DIRECTV fleet, will be maneuvered into a circular orbit at 99.2 degrees West longitude and when tests are completed, it is expected to begin operations in early September, providing capacity for up to 50 additional national HD channels.

The DIRECTV 11 satellite's powerful spot beam transponders will also begin delivery of local HD channels to new markets across the U.S., expanding the number of markets where DIRECTV offers local HD broadcast networks to more than 100 by the end of 2008. DIRECTV now offers its customers an industry-leading 92 national HD channels and provides local HD broadcast channels in 77 cities, representing approximately 76 percent of U.S. TV households.

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Note that there is NO mention of what cities will be rolled out. You also can not go strictly by DMA size.

Thanks for the response, Scott. I was a bit lazy and didn't search :o

I'm hoping the D11 update will include us, too. However, that link you provided from DirecTV seems a bit promising. I might have to look more into that. Are you thinking about getting it as a temporary fix until we get the local HD feeds?

Thanks for the response, Scott. I was a bit lazy and didn't search :o

I'm hoping the D11 update will include us, too. However, that link you provided from DirecTV seems a bit promising. I might have to look more into that. Are you thinking about getting it as a temporary fix until we get the local HD feeds?

Directv is hopeing to add Tallahassee when D11 starts up (They are set-up for them)

http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/global/contentPage.jsp?assetId=P1400108#T

But, they MUST be able to pick-up "all the main stations".

I pulled the trigger on the AM21 OAT and ordered it from DirecTV. I read up on it on the DBSTalk forums and the people that have purchased it have reported good results (for the most part). Hopefully it'll be delivered soon so I can start recording and watching the local HD feeds via my DirecTV HR-21 unit :)

It's a bit cumbersome having to switch back and forth these days and watching recorded shows in SD.

Thanks for the response, Scott. I was a bit lazy and didn't search :o

I'm hoping the D11 update will include us, too. However, that link you provided from DirecTV seems a bit promising. I might have to look more into that. Are you thinking about getting it as a temporary fix until we get the local HD feeds?
I am recently divorced and my ex kept the house, home theater, etc., so I had to recently start over including a new D* account (my old account dates back to when D* first started and was known as USSB). I was going to give it until October and if I do not have the locals through D* go to an OTA solution.

Yikes. Sorry to hear about that.

I'll report back on this thread and let you know how the AM21 works for me. I'm out in Killearn Lakes. How about you?

Anyone know of a good OTA (indoor/outdoor) for the Killearn lakes area - 32312? I've tried a few indoor ones from BestBuy (a couple RCAs and Terks) and they seem to only get WCTV, WFSU, and WTLH. I would like the ABC and NBC, too. A good amount of trees surround my house. I did a report on tvfools and antennaweb, but I can't make sense of all the techincal info. Any help would be appreciated :)

Anyone know of a good OTA (indoor/outdoor) for the Killearn lakes area - 32312? I've tried a few indoor ones from BestBuy (a couple RCAs and Terks) and they seem to only get WCTV, WFSU, and WTLH. I would like the ABC and NBC, too. A good amount of trees surround my house. I did a report on tvfools and antennaweb, but I can't make sense of all the techincal info. Any help would be appreciated :)

Hello, Hank3. I have a channelmaster from Lowes in my attic which picks them up with no problem. I am in SummerBrooke.

Cool - I'm assuming it's a VHF/UHF one? How much was it and did it take long to get i just at the right position? Are you good at reading out the reports from Web sites I mentioned?

I think it was a ChannelMaster model 3018, or something like that, for about $40-$50. I got the direction to the house from antennaweb, went into the attic with a compass to point it in the right direction. It was easy. Split the cable from the antenna to 2 tvs (FR and bedroom), ran down the walls to the tvs and hooked into the back of my receiver (E* 622).

I don't know if Lowes carries them anymore but RadioShack will have one similar.

BTW, antennaweb said I would need a much larger one than I got and mine works fine; reception never lower than 75 on the weak stations.

So both UHF and VHF stations come in clearly? Do you ever experience interruptions? And just to clarify, it's basically WFSU, ABC, NBC, CBS, and FOX correct? Or is there the CW also?

I used to get CW in Appleyard Dr., but my SharpShooter 3000 doesn't seem to be picking up CW very well. I'm in the first floor and I had to stack up multiple boxes to raise my antenna up to the ceiling in my apartment... :( It's kind of scary to me, but it worked almost OK.

There just seems like there are so many antennas out there at competitive prices. It can be overwhelming.

Hank3 - The CW shows up in the DirecTV listings on channel 24 (normal broadcast channel). However, if you can get FOX (49.1) to come in clearly, you should be able to get the CW as well. It's available on 49.2 as a subchannel to the FOX station. By the way, MyNetwork is on 6.2 - subchannel for WCTV.

If you go with an outdoor one, I got the $79 radioshack 15-2187 model to replace my omnidirectional with tremendous results. It is also very unobtrusive being about the same size and color as my dish.

I will say that from my vantage point all the stations are in one general direction. The omni only did well with NBC.

Well you can forget about using a QAM tuner with Comcast Tallahassee. After buying a small LCD HDTV I found during setup that it could not find any digital cable channels. I called Comcast and they confirmed they do not transmit any of the >100 digital channels in the clear - you need their digital STB to receive those signals. Sad thing is the little LCD, which gets a very nice HDTV picture, but basically sucks at SDTV or non-progressive DVD, so I plan to return it.

Thanks for the feedback thus far. I'm using it with the new DirecTV OTA tuner. Keep coming with any tips or feedback if you've got any :)

Hi. I've been reading this board for several years, but decided to register today after having an unsatisfactory Comcast experience. (No, not the first one.)

I went to the Comcast office to swap out an old digitial STB for one with HDMI. The old box was connected with component cables. What I was really trying to do was get a box with a coaxial digital audio jack on it. The old box only has an optical audio outlet, and it's never worked very well.

When I handed over the old STB, the Comcast rep told me that I'd have to upgrade to the Comcast DVR to get a box with HDMI. For some reason, I thought Comcast's new boxes were all HDMI whether or not there was a DVR built it. Am I mistaken? I already have a Tivo with a lifetime subscription plan and I don't want the Comcast DVR.

And on a related note, what's been y'all's experience with the time it takes to get DirecTV installed after ordering online from DTV?

Thanks for any response, and for providing alot of useful information in the past.

When I handed over the old STB, the Comcast rep told me that I'd have to upgrade to the Comcast DVR to get a box with HDMI. For some reason, I thought Comcast's new boxes were all HDMI whether or not there was a DVR built it. Am I mistaken? I already have a Tivo with a lifetime subscription plan and I don't want the Comcast DVR.

I have a DCH model STB with no DVR function that is connected via HDMI.

And on a related note, what's been y'all's experience with the time it takes to get DirecTV installed after ordering online from DTV?

Thanks for any response, and for providing alot of useful information in the past.

When I called and ordered over the phone in December, someone came out within three days to install everything. The guy who installed mine said they're typically very busy around Christmas since everyone wants their new TVs hooked up to HD. So it might be less time for you now.

And on a related note, what's been y'all's experience with the time it takes to get DirecTV installed after ordering online from DTV?

Rather than ordering online, I called in for mine, but I have had a recent DirecTV install. Provided the installer has receivers in stock, it can happen pretty quickly. The problem is that D* seems to have no way of checking what the installer's inventory has available. I placed my order on 6/2, D* offered me an install appointment as quickly as 6/4, and I scheduled it for the morning of 6/7. I received a call from my installer the afternoon of 6/6 stating that they had no HD DVR receivers in stock, and we rescheduled for 6/13 (this past Friday). To the installer's credit, I received a call at 8:15 that morning, and was up and running around 9:30.

You could also pick up a receiver at Best Buy and arrange everything there, but you won't get the discount for the HD DVR that you'd get through D*. OTOH, you'll get a new receiver that way, whereas if you go through D*, you'll probably get a refurbished box.

If you're wondering, I got an HR21-700. I ordered an AM21 to get OTA locals shortly after the install was completed (can't order AM21 until you have an HR21 active), and received it less than 24 hours later.

Thanks for the quick responses.

The service rep at the Comcast office told me that I had to get the DVR to get the HDMI connection. I asked him if he was certain about that, and he said yes. I left, walked into the parking lot, and thought about going back in to discontinue the service, and calling DTV but didn't know how long it would take the sat installer to show up. Apparently it isn't long.

The only thing that keeps me from doing it at this point is not having local HD, and I don't want to deal with OTAs. But what's an AM21?

AM21 is a tuner that DirecTV put out recently that basically takes in OTA signal and integrates them into the DirecTV receiver. Basically you'll see the local HD stations in the guide and you could record those feeds via DVR if you have that service.

The only thing that keeps me from doing it at this point is not having local HD, and I don't want to deal with OTAs.

I hear ya on that point - that was one thing that kept me from switching over for a while too. I'm having some fair luck with the indoor antenna I'm using, but I get more pixellation than I'd like. Honestly, for consistent OTA reception, I may still have to put an outdoor antenna up until D* offers our locals in HD. I've seen guesses anywhere from August (fairly optimistic) to early next year on getting those, but no official word yet. It'll probably depend a lot on how the tests go with the new DirecTV11 satellite over the next few weeks.

One thing I can say about OTA digital broadcasts - when they do work, they look really good. :)

I'm not sure what I'd pick up with an indoor antenna over here in the southeast part of town, and I don't want to deal with an outdoor antenna. The less hassle, the better. It's either all Comcast or all DTV.

I was a DTV subscriber for a long time (since the USSB days) until I moved into an apartment while building a house and the sat wouldn't work there. I wound up with Comcast and inertia set in. But I've got a better tv now, and would rather have access to HD and better audio, so it may be time to change again.

If you go with an outdoor one, I got the $79 radioshack 15-2187 model to replace my omnidirectional with tremendous results. It is also very unobtrusive being about the same size and color as my dish.

I will say that from my vantage point all the stations are in one general direction. The omni only did well with NBC.

A few questions Rabble - concerning your experience with this antenna, does NBC come in well for you? I'm asking since they're both low power and broadcasting on channel 2. How about ABC, since they're still broadcasting on low power. Is PBS in the same direction as the four major networks for you (it isn't for me)? Also, do you have it mounted outdoors? I'm not disputing your experience, but it's been with these stations where the shortcomings of the antennas I've tried have shown up. If this antenna is as good as you say, I may give it some serious consideration.

I know when I was trying the Terks indoor antennas, I would pick up both WCTV signals, all PBS/WFSU signals, and FOX really well with the antenna facing one way (Northwest) - my D* signal meter was showing them at 85% or higher constantly. Couldn't pick up any other stations, however.

As far as the local HD feeds for D*, I've read a good amount from the DBS talk forums from people who currently get local HD feeds in their market that the quality is subpar compared to an OTA HD feed. The feed from D* is compressed so much that the picture winds up being less crisp and clear. And also, some who have the local HD feeds wind up going with an OTA anyways so that when D* acts up, they can still get the local stations crisp and clear. It may be a YMMV type of thing though as you have people who are satisfied with the D* local HD feeds, too.

Thanks for the quick responses.

The service rep at the Comcast office told me that I had to get the DVR to get the HDMI connection. I asked him if he was certain about that, and he said yes. I left, walked into the parking lot, and thought about going back in to discontinue the service, and calling DTV but didn't know how long it would take the sat installer to show up. Apparently it isn't long.

The only thing that keeps me from doing it at this point is not having local HD, and I don't want to deal with OTAs. But what's an AM21?

The component connection is more stable tham the HDMI, and Comcast will provide component cables for you. If the non-DVR box has coax out I would give it a try - you can always take it back. The HD DVR is pretty good, especially the dual tuners, though it will be a little frustrating at times, especially if you are used to Tivo (I have an old Replay DVR I still use). If your Tivo does not record in HD then you definitely should get the Comcast HD DVR - assuming you have a HD TV.

As far as the local HD feeds for D*, I've read a good amount from the DBS talk forums from people who currently get local HD feeds in their market that the quality is subpar compared to an OTA HD feed. The feed from D* is compressed so much that the picture winds up being less crisp and clear. And also, some who have the local HD feeds wind up going with an OTA anyways so that when D* acts up, they can still get the local stations crisp and clear. It may be a YMMV type of thing though as you have people who are satisfied with the D* local HD feeds, too.

I've heard some of the same things here and there about D*'s local HD feeds too. Perhaps I'll look around DBSTalk's forums some more for that. It's true that the OTA antenna can serve as a good backup to your cable/satellite system. Sure did for me back in March with the tornadoes over by Chaires and no Comcast.

Another point is that I believe I've read that D* generally only carries the major channel for each station, and not the subchannels. That would mean that 6.2 or 49.2, or any of the PBS subs would not be available. Could anyone confirm whether or not that's true?

I have a DCH model STB with no DVR function that is connected via HDMI.

Is that a DCH 6200?

A few questions Rabble - concerning your experience with this antenna, does NBC come in well for you? I'm asking since they're both low power and broadcasting on channel 2. How about ABC, since they're still broadcasting on low power. Is PBS in the same direction as the four major networks for you (it isn't for me)? Also, do you have it mounted outdoors? I'm not disputing your experience, but it's been with these stations where the shortcomings of the antennas I've tried have shown up. If this antenna is as good as you say, I may give it some serious consideration.


Oh you want PBS too? No, PBS is in the complete opposite direction.I never tried to get that one, but it is about a 38 for me and the old omni-directional did pull it in. Just for clarification I am using the DTV tuners.

Every Inside deal I tried was useless, and I am not competent to put up a huge antenna on my tall roof. I have the antenna mounted outdoors on the eve on a 10 foot pole above my dish and it practically matches. I never even fine tuned the orientation. (It doesn't quite clear the roof.)

Checking signals right now NBC and CBS are 100.

Now that you mention it ABC is 78-80, which was higher last time I looked a few months ago. Fox is also down around 74=76 which is still watchable, but I may have to re-adjust.

Just as a suggestion, you need to make sure you are using good splitters and good cable. Also, the tuner makes a big difference. I have noticed my HR20 is not as god as the H20. My built in tv HD tuner is horrible except for SD.

As for those wondering about Dtv install- The tallahassee contract installers are very horrible. I basically get them to bring the equipment, do as little as possible, and then I fix it when they leave.
I had a supervisor come one time and he stole my old splitters. Another guy showed up without the HD boxes, 5 hours late and then asked questions about my security system. He at least got the job 90 percent done.

My friends have found some non-contract guys who are excellent. They stay busy fixing the mess ups. In other words, don't count on DTV guys to show up with the equipment and put it in correctly- and definitely don't expect anything other than yard concrete and pole, and drilling a hole through the outside wall.
That said, comcast is just as bad if you get the wrong guy.

Points about D*tv- The dish can malfunction and they make you pay for an idiot to come look at it. They will treat known dish problems as a alignment issue. Their equipment is a little buggy, especially when software is downloading, but can usually be cured with a reset. They have ethernet video on demand, but most is pay channel content.
They have the ability to expand the DVR memory with an add on hard drive. For about $150 you can triple the size. They have more HD right now than anyone, but still not tally locals. A keen eye will notice the effect of compressing the HD content, but I assume comcast is doing this as well. The deal with leasing boxes is probably better since you are not on the hook when it breaks. The worst part about D*tv is dealing with their installers anytime you want to change equipment. I hate even letting those guys on my property.

I live in NE Tallahassee and have a Winegard GS-1100. Following the advice of a local dealer, I added an outdoor inline amplifier essentially making this a GS-2200. I am able to pick up the major Tallahassee channels (HD and SD) with the exception of WFSU's SD channel. The HD signals are usually very good and stable with occasional pixelization on 11.1-11.4. Channels 27.1-27.2 and 49.1 rarely show some delays or lags. The reception is much worse without amplification. I am able to use the power input from the satellite receiver.

In addition to the Tallahassee channels, I can pick up WALB-DT, Albany's NBC channel about half of the time. The analog signal from Georgia Public Broadcasting outlet in Pelham came in fairly well until they cut back on power during construction. I occasionally can receive the GPB digital signal from Waycross. I have also picked up digital signals from Atlanta, Macon, Columbus, Panama City, Dothan, and Gainesville on very rare occasions.

Thus, I would recommend an amplified antenna mounted outdoors if possible. I have also tried the Radio Shack 15-2187, but the Winegard was already mounted. However, I may try a larger amplified antenna in the attic (e.g. CM 4228). I would love to be able to pick up more distant channels.

Good luck!

Is that a DCH 6200?

Yes it is.

EDIT: Whoops, spoke too soon, it's WALB's simulcast of GPB's Job Fair, not WXGA appearing on Valdosta Mediacom.

Yes it is.

Thanks Tex... I'm turning in one of my DVR's next week, I'll make sure they give me a DCH 6200. :)

WMK, good luck to you. Please post again and let me know what you get from Comcast.

I tried to get exactly what you want and was told that they didn't have HDMI-capable STBs without the DVR. (I don't want their DVR, I have a Tivo.) I left with the same crappy box I carried in, and started looking at satellite options.

Apparently Tex got the only one they ever had.

WMK, good luck to you. Please post again and let me know what you get from Comcast.

I tried to get exactly what you want and was told that they didn't have HDMI-capable STBs without the DVR. (I don't want their DVR, I have a Tivo.) I l;eft with the same crappy box I carried in, and started looking at satellite options.

Apparently Tex got the only one they ever had.

Before I got this one, I had a DCT model with HDMI so they had at least 2. :)

Before I got this one, I had a DCT model with HDMI so they had at least 2. :)

My original HD DVR (6412) had HDMI out but it was not well implemented and had serious problems with black levels. Component worked much better for me. I recently swapped it for the DCH 6416 and at first I was pleased but now it is exhibiting many of the same problems I had with the DCT plus it has very poor quality through it's S-video output connected to my DVD recorder. I plan to swap it again for a DCT model when I get the time.

A couple of years ago I read a news article that said Comcast had contracted with Panasonic to make it's DVRs but that deal must have fallen through because I have seen nothing since. Too bad, I think a Panasonic model would be vastly superior to the Motorola stuff.

My old Comcast HD Box, a Motorola DCT6200 (http://www.motorola.com/business/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=5b7e9e3eeed46110VgnVCM1000008406b00aRCRD&vgnextchannel=13f053735ddc8110VgnVCM1000008406b00aRCRD), bit the dust this morning. I went to Comcast on Hartsfield Road this morning and traded it in for a new Motorola DCH6200 HD STB. This is not an HD-DVR.

It appears the boxes that Comcast Tallahassee is now going to use are as follows:
SD: Motorola DCH200 (http://developer.motorola.com/products/settops/dch200/) or DCH70
HD: Motorola DCH6200 (http://developer.motorola.com/products/settops/dch6200/)
HD-DVR: Motorola DCH6416 (http://developer.motorola.com/products/settops/dch6416/)

I really like my DCH6200 as it seems to work a bit faster than my old box (http://www.motorola.com/business/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=5b7e9e3eeed46110VgnVCM1000008406b00aRCRD&vgnextchannel=13f053735ddc8110VgnVCM1000008406b00aRCRD). The guide loads quicker and the channel changes are quicker. The same 4:3 interface though. :(

Thanks for the confirmation Cape!

My old Comcast HD Box, a Motorola DCT6200 (http://www.motorola.com/business/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=5b7e9e3eeed46110VgnVCM1000008406b00aRCRD&vgnextchannel=13f053735ddc8110VgnVCM1000008406b00aRCRD), bit the dust this morning. I went to Comcast on Hartsfield Road this morning and traded it in for a new Motorola DCH6200 HD STB. This is not an HD-DVR.

It appears the boxes that Comcast Tallahassee is now going to use are as follows:
SD: Motorola DCH200 (http://developer.motorola.com/products/settops/dch200/) or DCH70
HD: Motorola DCH6200 (http://developer.motorola.com/products/settops/dch6200/)
HD-DVR: Motorola DCH6416 (http://developer.motorola.com/products/settops/dch6416/)

I really like my DCH6200 as it seems to work a bit faster than my old box (http://www.motorola.com/business/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=5b7e9e3eeed46110VgnVCM1000008406b00aRCRD&vgnextchannel=13f053735ddc8110VgnVCM1000008406b00aRCRD). The guide loads quicker and the channel changes are quicker. The same 4:3 interface though. :(

So how does this work? I have a Motorola DCT 6416 III HD DVR that I got a couple years ago from Comcast. Is this newer one just above a lot better? (i.e., faster and/or more capacity?) If it is in fact much better, is there any way to trade in my current DVR even if it is working properly (besides some random little freezes)?

Thanks for the help!

Y'all had much better experiences that I did when I went to the Hartsfield Road Comcast office. The rep at the window was insistent that to get an HDMI connection, I'd have to get the DVR box. It was a big waste of my time to disconnect everything, drive across town and get lied to. It's not like I just walked out. I asked the guy if he was sure about the information that he was giving me and he was insistent.

I guess I could do it again, but I don't have any delusions about getting competent assistance and not sure I want to spend the time again. I thought about calling for service and specifically asking to have the box swapped out for the new model.

Y'all had much better experiences that I did when I went to the Hartsfield Road Comcast office. The rep at the window was insistent that to get an HDMI connection, I'd have to get the DVR box. It was a big waste of my time to disconnect everything, drive across town and get lied to. It's not like I just walked out. I asked the guy if he was sure about the information that he was giving me and he was insistent.

I guess I could do it again, but I don't have any delusions about getting competent assistance and not sure I want to spend the time again. I thought about calling for service and specifically asking to have the box swapped out for the new model.
I, too, had a number of bad customer service experiences and that (together with the fact that at the time they did not offer Fox Soccer or Setanta, which I needed for my son) I left them and went with a satellite and am glad I did. I sent an e-mail to the corporate office, with no response...

Sure, there are those who have had bad customer service from sats, too, but not me; always been good.

So how does this work? I have a Motorola DCT 6416 III HD DVR that I got a couple years ago from Comcast. Is this newer one just above a lot better? (i.e., faster and/or more capacity?) If it is in fact much better, is there any way to trade in my current DVR even if it is working properly (besides some random little freezes)?

Thanks for the help!

My experience has been that the DCH model works much better than the DCT model. I very seldom have any type of delay and the response time when changing channels and using the DVR functions is faster. When I switched out the STB, I did not give any reason other than I wanted one of the new ones. The capacity is the same (160Gb)

So how does this work? I have a Motorola DCT 6416 III HD DVR that I got a couple years ago from Comcast. Is this newer one just above a lot better? (i.e., faster and/or more capacity?) If it is in fact much better, is there any way to trade in my current DVR even if it is working properly (besides some random little freezes)?

Thanks for the help!The DCH boxes have a new exterior casing, contain CableCARDS for security instead of it being built-into the chips of the box, and have upgraded hardware specs to support OpenCable/OCAP/Tru2Way when it finally rolls out. In the time I have had my DCH box, it runs a bit faster and doesn't freeze out like my DCT did.

Y'all had much better experiences that I did when I went to the Hartsfield Road Comcast office. The rep at the window was insistent that to get an HDMI connection, I'd have to get the DVR box. It was a big waste of my time to disconnect everything, drive across town and get lied to. It's not like I just walked out. I asked the guy if he was sure about the information that he was giving me and he was insistent.

I guess I could do it again, but I don't have any delusions about getting competent assistance and not sure I want to spend the time again. I thought about calling for service and specifically asking to have the box swapped out for the new model.I just took my old DCT in and asked for a new HD box. The lady handed me a brand new DCH (I had to remove the protective stickers from Motorola for the display on the front) and I was on my way. The boxes are literally brand new. My HD box now has HDMI, but I don't have the HDMI cable yet to connect it to my Vizio.

If the DCH series doesn't freeze up like my DCT 6416III, then a swap will be happening next week.

On my DirecTV Program guide 25-1 and then 14-1 (both PBS stations) show up. Is this for OTA or could be a sign that Directv is going to add PBS for us in Georgia

On my DirecTV Program guide 25-1 and then 14-1 (both PBS stations) show up. Is this for OTA or could be a sign that Directv is going to add PBS for us in Georgia

This should be for OTA - if you are not using OTA, why do you have it activated? I assume you have an H20 or an HR20....

This should be for OTA - if you are not using OTA, why do you have it activated? I assume you have an H20 or an HR20....

Yes I have a H20-600 and do have an indoor antenna for OTA, I did not activate them, they just pop-up on the guide. When I go to the channels I get the "searching for signal on off-air-tuner"

Yes I have a H20-600 and do have an indoor antenna for OTA, I did not activate them, they just pop-up on the guide. When I go to the channels I get the "searching for signal on off-air-tuner"
You have to activate OTA to get them in the guide - maybe your installer did it for you.
You can remove any OTA channels you do not receive by going to menu>parental favs & setup>system setup>sat & ant>antenna setup>edit offair channels

Do you receive ANY OTA stations OK? What's your zip code?

You have to activate OTA to get them in the guide - maybe your installer did it for you.
You can remove any OTA channels you do not receive by going to menu>parental favs & setup>system setup>sat & ant>antenna setup>edit offair channels

Do you receive ANY OTA stations OK? What's your zip code?

31636 Yes I get:
6.1 WCTV
6.2 WCTV2
49.1 WTLH
49.2 CW

2nd zip 31702
Some times I get WALB 10.1
I only have a Vineguard atenna indoors with a 10db amp.

31636 Yes I get:
6.1 WCTV
6.2 WCTV2
49.1 WTLH
49.2 CW

2nd zip 31702
Some times I get WALB 10.1
I only have a Vineguard atenna indoors with a 10db amp.

yes, that's about all you will get with an indoor antenna. NBC (40.1) is slightly lower signal strength for you than 49.1 but it's on VHF-lo so your antenna may not pick it up. ABC on 27.1 is weaker still. Fox on 31.1 is about the same signal strength as 10.1 but neither is Line of Sight for you (based on your zip). If you wanted 10.1 to come in all the time you would need a decent VHF/UHF outside antenna.

Did anyone else have major problems watching or recording The Middleman episode this week on Comcast HD channel 444? I recorded the 10PM program and tried to watch it in progress and it kept freezing up, so I gave up and set the DCH 6416 to record the 12 PM showing, hoping it would be better. I tried watching that one last night and it was worse - constant freeze ups and then a loud screeching noise on audio. I tried to start over from the beginning and FF to where it last messed up on the program up and the entire DVR locked up and shut down. Ch 444 is usually a clean HD channel, so why would one particular show have such problems? I suspect it was a ABC Family Channel problem, but my HD DVR has been acting funky lately, and even then why would just one particular show be bad? Anyone else watch or record that episode?

After trying a handful of indoor antennas, I have decided to go with an outdoor antenna setup. Those of you who have outdoor setups, please chime in as to how you installed them outside. I'm not sure if I should mount it on the roof, and if on the roof should I saw a chimney mount bracket. Anyways, I priced a setup at Radio Shack a week ago and it came out to about $150 (not including the coax cable). And then today I found the Web site solidsignal.com and they seem to have really good prices. I'm curious to hear how the outdoor antennas have performed for you in your area. I'm out in Killearn Lakes where there is good amount of tall pine and other assorted trees. I don't want to get something that's going to be overkill for my needs, but certainly something that can give me solid/dependable signal. I've included the printout for my house from TV Fool. TIA for any input :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v294/Hank3/TV.jpg

Has anyone recently got one of the new Motorola boxes from Comcast? My wife tried to take the DCT 6416 out there this morning to get it replaced with one of the DCH models and they told her they only got a few in and they were all gone and were not planning on getting anymore in. Unfortunately I was not able to go with her since I am out of town and I am going by what she told me.

Anyone have any more info on these boxes? They just gave her another one of the DCT 6416 boxes which I think is the 4th one we have been on since we moved to Tallahassee 3 years ago.

I tried last Thursday to exchange my DCT 6416III, they told me they got in only so many of the DCH models back in Dec/Jan and they have given out all of them. They only get them when someone decides to return theirs for whatever reason. Personally I'm sick of the channel freeze up and decided to discontinue HD-DVR service and went back to the regular HD box with a DVI output. At least this box hasn't frozen up on me yet.

I have lost alot of channels from my Comcast HD Digital package, including apparently all of the west coast feeds of the premium channels. Has anyone else noticed this?

The "On Demand" channels are also not functioning.

I tried last Thursday to exchange my DCT 6416III, they told me they got in only so many of the DCH models back in Dec/Jan and they have given out all of them. They only get them when someone decides to return theirs for whatever reason. Personally I'm sick of the channel freeze up and decided to discontinue HD-DVR service and went back to the regular HD box with a DVI output. At least this box hasn't frozen up on me yet.

That's unfortunate. Guess I'm stuck with my out-dated freezing box. Still better than my old non-HD TiVo that I sold for a handsome profit :) Although I miss the TiVo interface and "dings."

something to read re: D*

http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=133090

Also, I am quite disturbed with the fact that Tally installers have only HR21.
Are they just quietly installing HR21 to all new customers who do not know that they are getting ?

The way I read this, this is a "intentionally cheating not already knowledge new customers" in the area.


For one not knowing details of HR20, HR21. D*'s DVRs HR20 is DVR with OTA tuner built in, HR21 is DVR without OTA tuner. Since D* does not carry local channel in HD yet, only way to get local HD is via OTA.

Good morning and thanks ABC :mad:for not switching on the HD for the British Open today:mad:

Good morning and thanks ABC :mad:for not switching on the HD for the British Open today:mad:

Seriously....and the worst part is that the COMMERCIALS are in HD! How ridiculous!

something to read re: D*

http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=133090


For one not knowing details of HR20, HR21. D*'s DVRs HR20 is DVR with OTA tuner built in, HR21 is DVR without OTA tuner. Since D* does not carry local channel in HD yet, only way to get local HD is via OTA.

Not for long! :)

Not for long! :)
Care to share with us what that means?

Care to share with us what that means?

http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/global/contentPage.jsp?assetId=P1400108#T

DirecTV 11 about to light up.

My H20-600 is now showing 99(a) and 99(b) all 0's

OK I have made my way back. Whats new?

OK I have made my way back. Whats new?
Welcome back. How's the DTV transition been for you lately?

Good morning and thanks ABC :mad:for not switching on the HD for the British Open today:mad:

Seriously....and the worst part is that the COMMERCIALS are in HD! How ridiculous!

Are the ABC HD commercials choppy for you guys, too?

http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/global/contentPage.jsp?assetId=P1400108#T

DirecTV 11 about to light up.

My H20-600 is now showing 99(a) and 99(b) all 0's

So does this mean we're getting the channels in HD soon? Still sometime in September or sooner? What do you mean by your H20-600 showing 99(a) and 99(b) all 0's?

Are the ABC HD commercials choppy for you guys, too?

So does this mean we're getting the channels in HD soon? Still sometime in September or sooner? What do you mean by your H20-600 showing 99(a) and 99(b) all 0's?

Don't have a time line for new channels. But, things are going on.
menu
setup
System Setup
Sat & Ant
View Signal Strength
Hit + to go to 99(a), 99(b) this was not listed untill 7/21/08

Then go to the DirecTV link in the early post.

http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/global/contentPage.jsp?assetId=P1400108#T

DirecTV 11 about to light up.

CORRECTION!!

DirecTV 11 is LIT up!

I would expect testing for at least a week, but we could have some new channels by next Wednesday (or the next).

Rumor has it that the first channels to be uplinked are MPEG4 (full resolution) versions of the current "legacy" channels (ESPN, ESPN2, Universal-HD, TNT-HD, HDNet Movies, HDNet, East Coast HD-DNS, HBO-HD East, Showtime-HD East). I would suspect that ABC Family HD will be among the first channels as well (considering it was supposed to be uplinked along on D10).

Either way, D11 is expected to be broadcasting channels to us in a matter of weeks instead of months! ;)

~Alan

Any idea on how the local HD channels will appear in the guide - will they be next to the SD channel locations or somewhere else? I'm already receiving ESPN, ESPN2, Universal-HD, TNT-HD, HDNet Movies, HDNet all in HD, but will this MPEG4 signal will be better quality?

Also, you mentioned a few pages back about a new DirecTV dish that has one cable instead of two. Will that dish be better - and is it worth upgrading? Is it even available yet?

Any idea on how the local HD channels will appear in the guide - will they be next to the SD channel locations or somewhere else? I'm already receiving ESPN, ESPN2, Universal-HD, TNT-HD, HDNet Movies, HDNet all in HD, but will this MPEG4 signal will be better quality?

The HD-LIL versions will be on the same channel as their SD-LIL counterparts (just like DirecTV's national HD channels), so it depends on how you have your receiver set up. I have my HD DVR (HR20-700) set up to hide SD duplicates in the guide. If I lived in Tallahassee, the HD-LIL channels would replace their SD duplicates. The OTA channels would be sitting beside them just like they do to the SD-LIL now.

If you do not have the SD duplicates hidden, or Favorites blocking the SD versions, the guide would look something like this:

49 - WTLH-DT - HD channel
49 - WTLH - SD channel
49-1 - WTLH-DT - HD OTA (if OTA is used)
49-2 - WTLH-DT2 - The CW OTA (if OTA is used)

Also, you mentioned a few pages back about a new DirecTV dish that has one cable instead of two. Will that dish be better - and is it worth upgrading? Is it even available yet?

It's a new technology that is currently in testing. Hopefully it will be out later this year... but there's not really any reason to upgrade unless you want to add additional DVRs to the house.

~Alan

Thanks, Alan. These are exciting times. Depending on the quality of the local HD channels, I might have to sell the AM21 I just bought from DirecTV so I don't have to put an outdoor antenna up. It would be great if the channels start appearing in time for the Olympics in HD :)

Thanks, Alan. These are exciting times. Depending on the quality of the local HD channels, I might have to sell the AM21 I just bought from DirecTV so I don't have to put an outdoor antenna up. It would be great if the channels start appearing in time for the Olympics in HD :)

Other people with HD-LIL from DirecTV say it's hard to tell from OTA, so I don't think you'll be disappointed. OTA will (generally) be more reliable in heavy rain obviously, but if you don't have much trouble with "rain fade", sub-channels will be the only reason you might want a outdoor antenna. The HD-LIL will also take up less space on your hard drive (due to it being MPEG4 compared to OTA's MPEG2).

I'd be surprised to see Tallahassee locals up by then, but who knows? Either way, I'm still hoping for DirecTV to add SD-LIL for me.

~Alan

You're currently not getting any local stations in Dawson? I was reading on the DBS forums and the folks there are saying 7/30 that the new channels will go live. Maybe we'll get our local HDs then :)

Does anyone have experience with the Comcast HD DVR and the Dish/DirectTV HD DVRs that can compare their performance, features, etc.? I am not sure I can get satellite service where I live because of trees, and I am not sure I can even get local HDTV OTA, but if satellite services can provide better HDTV service (including local) cheaper than Comcast I may want to give it a shot.

Does anyone have experience with the Comcast HD DVR and the Dish/DirectTV HD DVRs that can compare their performance, features, etc.? I am not sure I can get satellite service where I live because of trees, and I am not sure I can even get local HDTV OTA, but if satellite services can provide better HDTV service (including local) cheaper than Comcast I may want to give it a shot.

The Comcast DVR box I had generally worked, but it wasn't very pretty in doing the job. The interface is a bit clunky, but I was able to use it fine most of the time. I had the box for two years (until this past June). It did act a bit flaky the last few months I had it - there were times it would freeze up on me for periods in changing channels, and sometimes I had to unplug it to get it to unfreeze. It was one of the Motorola silver boxes (sorry, I don't remember the model number, although I'm sure one of the other board regulars could fill that in for you). At the moment, between the satellite services and cable, this is currently the only way to receive our HD local channels via the service, although that is expected to change very soon - maybe even in just a few weeks.

I've had the HR21 from DirecTV since June. Others complain about how un-userfriendly the interface is, and admittedly, it isn't very pretty, but it works fine for me. So far, it's recorded everything I've asked it to, and it is possible to schedule recordings via the DirecTV website if you're logged into your account. One thing I like over the Comcast box is I can be watching and DVRing a show and can "power off" the box (it doesn't really power off - it just kind of goes into a standby mode) and the recording will continue. The Comcast box would warn me that I was about to cancel a recording in process.

I've not played with the Dish ViP 622 or 722 much, but I did take a quick look at a 622 at the Embarq store behind Governor's Square Mall (in the center with Old Navy and Bed, Bath, and Beyond). If you're looking for a pretty interface, this would be the one to go with. Reviews by cnet indicate these are the best DVRs on the market, although many also say you should take cnet's reviews with a grain of salt.

The prettiness of the Dish DVR came very close to snagging my business in June, but ultimately, the current and potential HD offerings from DirecTV won out for me. DirecTV has launched a new satellite, and it should be going live in another few weeks (maybe even next week). Hopefully we'll be getting our local channels in HD from DirecTV not long after that.

Seriously....and the worst part is that the COMMERCIALS are in HD! How ridiculous!

Good morning and thanks ABC :mad:for not switching on the HD for the British Open today:mad:

It actually wasn't our fault this time!! ABC Network had problems with the feed..

Seriously....and the worst part is that the COMMERCIALS are in HD! How ridiculous!

.... and here's the email from ABC to prove it...

07/19 11:09:24 AM
ATTENTION STATIONS:
HD
7/19/08

WE ARE PRESENTLY EXPERIENCING
TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES WITH OUR
16X9 WIDESCREEN FEED OF
"THE OPEN CHAMPIONSHIP".

THE SD FEED IS BEING UPCONVERTED
TO THE HD FEED.

REGARDS,
PROGRAM OPERATIONS

.... and here's the email from ABC to prove it...

07/19 11:09:24 AM
ATTENTION STATIONS:
HD
7/19/08

WE ARE PRESENTLY EXPERIENCING
TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES WITH OUR
16X9 WIDESCREEN FEED OF
"THE OPEN CHAMPIONSHIP".

THE SD FEED IS BEING UPCONVERTED
TO THE HD FEED.

REGARDS,
PROGRAM OPERATIONS

Thanks for the reply. I was mostly upset I didn't get to see the beautiful feed from Britain in HD (golf just isn't the same in SD). To be honest I figured it was their feed since it was coming across the pond and has a larger margin for error. Overall, however, since ABC went HD it has been fabulous. A lot of my favorite shows are on ABC and I love watching them in HD...such a difference....like "Lost"...wow.

The prettiness of the Dish DVR came very close to snagging my business in June, but ultimately, the current and potential HD offerings from DirecTV won out for me. DirecTV has launched a new satellite, and it should be going live in another few weeks (maybe even next week). Hopefully we'll be getting our local channels in HD from DirecTV not long after that.

I didn't respond to DSmith because I have no experience with the Comcast DVR (or any cable DVR since I can't get Mediacom where I live), but I did want to make some comments.

I can't comment on Comcast's DVR as the only cable STB I used was a crappy old Motorola (non-DVR) stb at someone I used to know's house. I can't comment much on Dish's DVRs as the only DVR I have used of their's is the 508 (several generation's back) and I've heard they have improved it greatly since then.

I have however used several DVR interfaces... or two... depending on how you look at it. I have used the DirecTiVos (old DirecTV DVRs with the TiVo interface), stand-alone TiVos (for OTA and cable), and DirecTV's HR2x series. There are features on the HR2x series that I used on TiVos that I now miss. When using a TiVo, there are features I miss that I used on the HR2x series HD DVRs. Though I've never used one, there are features I wouldn't mind having on the other two... so the moral of the story is that you're going to be happy about some things, disappointed by others no matter which DVR you use.

I will say that DirecTV continues to add new features to their DVRs as I am in something of a beta program for DirecTV at AVSForum's sister site (DBSTalk.com) and I already know of some future features.

As far as the interface of the HR2x series HD DVRs go, there is parts of the interface which reminds me of a program I had for the computer back during the 80s... but it beats the first user interface the HR2x series had. Also, DirecTV's intending on redesigning the interface for next year, and while I'm not sure if the current HD DVRs will get it (though they have already undergone subtle changes since they came out), I'm assuming they will.

You're currently not getting any local stations in Dawson? I was reading on the DBS forums and the folks there are saying 7/30 that the new channels will go live. Maybe we'll get our local HDs then :)

Dawson, GA is in the Albany, GA DMA, and Dish offers local SD channels for this DMA, but DirecTV does not (though that may change soon). Since I view stations from Albany, Columbus, and Tallahassee, I pay close attention to all three boards.

As for 7/30, to you, Ernest_T ("He's a nut!"), and all other DirecTV subscribers reading, the word (which appears to be a reliable one) IS INDEED for next Wednesday, July 30th. 10 to 20 NEW HD channels are expected to be offered (along with MPEG4 versions of the channels in the 70s... which will result in less space taken up on our DVRs... as well as IMPROVED PQ due to the current PQ problems with those channels) and possibly 5 local markets (no clue if it's HD or SD, but probably HD). Whether or not one of those will be Tallahassee, you can always CROSS your fingers! ;)

A lot of my favorite shows are on ABC and I love watching them in HD...such a difference....like "Lost"...wow.

I feel sorry for the people that have to watch "Lost" in SD. Seriously! What a difference HD makes for that show! The amazing thing to me too is that as great as it looks on ABC-HD, my Blu-ray set of Season Four looks EVEN BETTER!! Some shows, HD might not add too much to the enjoyment factor, but "Lost" ain't one of them...

~Alan<~~~~~~~~~~Who had to watch half of S1 in SD...

Yeah, watching Lost in SD for the year plus during which WTXL was building their new station was extremely frustrating.

Kudos to the folks at FOX49. It appears they have found a way to improve the quality of upconverted local programming on WTLH-DT so that you don't have to resort to using analog 49.

Previously, tuning into WTLH-DT (49.1 or Comcast 434) during a local SD program would get you a signal flagged as 720p, but no fixed 16:9 aspect ratio which would confuse all the equipment I had. The black bars on the sides were uneven as well. This is now fixed and WTLH-DT 49.1/434 looks just like all the other stations during local programming. Keep it up because the old way they had it really confused my TV, converter boxes, and Comcast HD box.

I watched Two and a Half Men tonight and was impressed that the 480i SD was being properly upconverted to 720p HD. Hopefully we continue to see quality improvements for FOX49 and they can pass along the Raycom Sports ACC Football and Basketball games and Bucs Preseason Football in HD later this year.

Pictures of FOX49 BEFORE:
http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/866/noname000fd3.th.png (http://img295.imageshack.us/my.php?image=noname000fd3.png) http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/2327/noname001fe1.th.png (http://img241.imageshack.us/my.php?image=noname001fe1.png) http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/8518/noname002mx4.th.png (http://img509.imageshack.us/my.php?image=noname002mx4.png)

These were taken with a DTV converter box (but the same would happen on an HD set unless you stretched it to fill the screen) in 4x3 mode chopping off the sides.

Hey everyone, tried reading through as much of this thread as possible before posting but couldn't find an answer. I'm moving into Tallahassee (going to FSU and staying in an apartment) from Atlanta and was planning on getting antennasdirect db2. The problem my friend and I have is that we don't know how many OTA HD channels we can expect to get. Does anyone have a list of OTA HD channels they get from their antenna or that are even possible to get?

Here is what I get with my rabbit ears:
6.1 CBS-HD
6.2 MyNetworkTV
11.1 PBS-HD
11.2 Florida Channel
11.3 Create (only on when 11.1 is not HD)
11.4 Florida Knowledge Network (only on when 11.1 is not HD)
24.1 CW (same as 49.2)
27.1 ABC-HD
27.2 ABC
40.1 NBC-HD
40.2 NBC
49.1 FOX-HD
49.2 CW (same as 24.1)

The biggest issue is the type of antenna used, where it is mounted, the structure you live in, and line-of-sight. Good luck and welcome to Tallahassee!

Thanks, that looks like a fair amount of channels. Our apartment provides something called Velocity Cable and I am pretty sure it does not have HD.

PR: DIRECTV to Offer HD Local Channels in 121 Markets by Year-End (http://dtv.client.shareholder.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=324647)

~Alan

PR: DIRECTV to Offer HD Local Channels in 121 Markets by Year-End (http://dtv.client.shareholder.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=324647)

~Alan

So will the Tallahassee local HD "footprint" cover Valdosta?:D

So will the Tallahassee local HD "footprint" cover Valdosta?:D

Considering Valdosta, GA is in the Tallahassee, FL DMA, I'd be surprised otherwise.

BTW, for the record, I've noticed that several spot-beam readings have popped up on my receiver (103s) that weren't there recently. With the news that Macon, Savannah, Augusta, and Tallahassee will be getting their HD-LIL shortly, I'm not surprised at all by the additions.

Also, I wanted to note that other than converting the MPEG2 channels to MPEG4, don't expect any channel additions this week. It's possible that Tallahassee, FL HD-LIL will be added this week, but I wouldn't hold my breath as it looks like most of DirecTV's additions will be starting next month.

~Alan

So will the Tallahassee local HD "footprint" cover Valdosta?:D

If you punch in a Valdosta zip in the local channels finder on DirecTV's site, it comes back with the Tallahassee/Thomasville locals in SD. I would assume the available HD locals would apply as well when they go live. I'd love to see them this week (my antenna wanted to act flaky tonight), but I'm not really betting on that.

Alan - thank you for the quick word on the press release. Like you, I've been watching the DBSTalk forums intently over the last several weeks, and was very excited to see this. Sorry about locals not coming to Dawson yet, but hopefully they'll get you in somewhere, and hopefully in HD.

Another question guys; it looks like I am going to get an antenna to just receive local hd channels because my apartment provides standard cable. I am on the third (top) floor of my apartment and am now wondering if i need something as strong as the db2 to get those stations or just a cheap antenna. Any advice / suggestions on what to get would be appreciated.

Another question guys; it looks like I am going to get an antenna to just receive local hd channels because my apartment provides standard cable. I am on the third (top) floor of my apartment and am now wondering if i need something as strong as the db2 to get those stations or just a cheap antenna. Any advice / suggestions on what to get would be appreciated.

What's your zip code, and on which side of the building is your apartment?

Zip code is 32304... I am 2 blocks from FSU. Its on the east side.

Some of you getting HD OTA can help with this. With analog OTA I would guess 90% of those in the viewing area can get local channels with rabbit ears and the other 10% might need a small outside antenna. Hate analog all you want - that is excellent coverage while granting PQ will vary from good to poor. Now, with HDTV OTA, what are the numbers? How many in the Tallahassee viewing area with proper tuners would you predict can get all the local HDTV broadcasts reliably using the equivalent of rabbit ears, and how many get same with an outside antenna? And are there some who cannot get all the local HDTV channels even using an outside antenna, and if so what percentage? I raise these questions because I get the feeling from many posts here that the digital TV age has doomed many viewers to having to rely on cable or satellite to get HDTV.

Some of you getting HD OTA can help with this. With analog OTA I would guess 90% of those in the viewing area can get local channels with rabbit ears and the other 10% might need a small outside antenna. Hate analog all you want - that is excellent coverage while granting PQ will vary from good to poor. Now, with HDTV OTA, what are the numbers? How many in the Tallahassee viewing area with proper tuners would you predict can get all the local HDTV broadcasts reliably using the equivalent of rabbit ears, and how many get same with an outside antenna? And are there some who cannot get all the local HDTV channels even using an outside antenna, and if so what percentage? I raise these questions because I get the feeling from many posts here that the digital TV age has doomed many viewers to having to rely on cable or satellite to get HDTV.

Don't know about the rest of you, but I have an antenna in my attic on NE side of town (SummerBrooke) and get all the OTA fine through my E* 622 receiver (lowest reading of about 75 up to mid 90s). I didn't try rabbit ears, though. I do lose service intermittantly if the weather is bad (i.e. raining hard).

Antennaweb said I should need a larger antenna than I got (I think it was a Channelmaster 3018 from Lowes, but I don't know if they carry them anymore), so remember antennaweb will probably recommend more than what is requried.

Alan - thank you for the quick word on the press release. Like you, I've been watching the DBSTalk forums intently over the last several weeks, and was very excited to see this. Sorry about locals not coming to Dawson yet, but hopefully they'll get you in somewhere, and hopefully in HD.

Thanks!

Well, DirecTV folks... looks like it will be December for Tallahassee getting HD-LIL:

Upcoming HD Local Market Launches (http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/global/moreInfoText.jsp?assetId=1620002)

~Alan

What bummer news :( But at least we know we're getting it.

Newbie here. We're thinking of getting an OTA indoor antenna so we can receive local HD on Dish out here in Willkillya County. 32327. Anyone know if we will be able to pick up the Tallahassee local stations? Or do we have to go with an outdoor antenna?

Thanks!

Well, DirecTV folks... looks like it will be December for Tallahassee getting HD-LIL:

Upcoming HD Local Market Launches (http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/global/moreInfoText.jsp?assetId=1620002)

~Alan

Yeah, I gotta admit that's disappointing. But like Hank said, at least they are coming.

Is CW in HD in Tallahassee? I know in Valdosta we only get the channel in SD..

Would love to catch Reaper in HD :)

Is CW in HD in Tallahassee? I know in Valdosta we only get the channel in SD..

Would love to catch Reaper in HD :)
I doubt it. I recall CapeFish's last seasonal report as WFXU or WTLF being SD. I think everyone in the Tally market has CW in SD.

Not only is CW not in HD in Tallahassee, it is probably the worst SD channel in the area. They use the lowest possible bit-rate to transmit, and audio is often a nightmare. Granted there is not much to watch on CW for me, other than Smallville.

Dish has announced they will make 1080p transmissions available starting tomorrow - any Dish users here? How do they compare to DTV? I know they used to have much higher customer satisfaction ratings than DTV - is that still true? Do they carry locals in HD, and if not any idea when they might start?

I prefer Dish to DirecTV. My parents swear by it....damn the trees in Tallahassee as I am stuck with Comcast.

The locals should be in HD via Dish by the end of 2008 from what I understand.

The CW is not in HD on either 24.1 or 49.2, only SD. I hope WTLH can find a way to convince the CW to let them air HD programming from the network or the CW Plus goes HD itself.

Some of you getting HD OTA can help with this. With analog OTA I would guess 90% of those in the viewing area can get local channels with rabbit ears and the other 10% might need a small outside antenna. Hate analog all you want - that is excellent coverage while granting PQ will vary from good to poor. Now, with HDTV OTA, what are the numbers? How many in the Tallahassee viewing area with proper tuners would you predict can get all the local HDTV broadcasts reliably using the equivalent of rabbit ears, and how many get same with an outside antenna? And are there some who cannot get all the local HDTV channels even using an outside antenna, and if so what percentage? I raise these questions because I get the feeling from many posts here that the digital TV age has doomed many viewers to having to rely on cable or satellite to get HDTV.


If I'm not mistaken, most of our locals are not broadcasting at full power like they will next year. Also, NBC is on a lower frequency that is supposed to change as well. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

We have Dish in Wakulla Station - tricky with all the trees, but we made it work and love it, except for not having HD for locals. That's making us hold off on HD in general, Thinking about getting an over the air antenna to capure the local HD. Anyone else tried that with Dish?

If I'm not mistaken, most of our locals are not broadcasting at full power like they will next year. Also, NBC is on a lower frequency that is supposed to change as well. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
From what I recall:

WCTV and WTLH are currently broadcasting their digital signals at full power (though WTLH will be flash-cutting to their current analog channel of 49 at transition time).

WTXL is currently broadcasting digitally at 8.7 kW on channel 22; I very rarely get it here in Albany. John Clark (aka jrcstudios), WTXL's chief engineer, previously said on this thread that the station will start putting up a megawatt stick this summer and begin broadcasting on it at transition time, on its current analog channel of 27.

WTWC currently broadcasts digitally on channel 2 at 2.4 kW; it will also flash-cut to its current analog channel of 40 next February, also with a megawatt transmitter.

Dish has announced they will make 1080p transmissions available starting tomorrow - any Dish users here?

Not a Dish user, but I did want to make a few comments:

Dish is indeed offering 1080p... on VOD movies. How it works is simple. Your DVR records the movie overnight and stores it to your DVR. If you want to watch it, you can by ordering it like PPV. DirecTV also offers a similar service (called MoviesNow!) and stores 5-8 movies on you DVR... which I assume will be how they offer 1080p as well (http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/global/contentPage.jsp?assetId=P4800004).

Personally, I think the whole thing is marketing hype crap. The movies will most likely have similar bitrates to the 1080i HD PPV channels and HD VOD movies now... which have FAR lower bitrates to Blu-ray (or even the late HD DVD format)... which means that the only main difference to what they have available now is the switch from Interlace to Progressive... which is done automatically if you have a 1080p HDTV anyway... and possibly a difference of frame rate.

How do they compare to DTV? I know they used to have much higher customer satisfaction ratings than DTV - is that still true?

No... or at least not everywhere, or on every poll. J. D. Power for instance has ranked DirecTV at the top, or near the top for the last several years (2007 (http://www.jdpower.com/corporate/news/releases/pressrelease.aspx?ID=2007137), 2006 (http://www.jdpower.com/corporate/news/releases/pressrelease.aspx?ID=2006135), 2005 (http://www.jdpower.com/corporate/news/releases/pressrelease.aspx?ID=2005117)). However, I don't think either one is bad.

Do they carry locals in HD, and if not any idea when they might start?

DirecTV currently offers local HD channels in 77 markets and intends to offer 121 by the end of the year (with Tallahassee, FL announced for December) with more markets expected early next year.

Dish Network currently offers local HD channels in 66 markets with a plan to offer 100 by year's end. 17 more of those 100 markets have been announced as coming, with 17 still unannounced. Considering that the satcos never go exactly in order of DMAs, I'd say there's a 50/50 chance of them adding them this year. WTLHFOXHD and jrcstudios could possibly give everybody a heads up before/if they do.

As I said before, I already stated my thoughts on the whole thing recently with Ernest_T, and I still pretty much stand by it. DirecTV suits my needs/wants better than Dish Network does (and cheaper too), but I know people who Dish suits better (and cheaper too... though, granted, most of them are SD-only subs, but there are HD fans as well out there, I just don't happen to know any personally...). I also prefer DirecTV's plans for the future (compared to Dish's), but again, to each their own.

I will say one thing about Dish though, I like that they now have a HD-only package, and I'm hoping that DirecTV will follow their lead. It wouldn't do me any good right now to have that option (as I would need to update several receivers around the house which I do not want to do at this time), but kudos to them for doing so!

~Alan

From what I recall:

WCTV and WTLH are currently broadcasting their digital signals at full power (though WTLH will be flash-cutting to their current analog channel of 49 at transition time).

WTLH is actually listed in the FCC as having 230 kW and going to 226 kW post-transition, not full power. The only other station in the Tally market with close to full power right now is WFSU with over 900 kW according to the FCC.

WTLH is actually listed in the FCC as having 230 kW and going to 226 kW post-transition, not full power. The only other station in the Tally market with close to full power right now is WFSU with over 900 kW according to the FCC.

Yet I can receive WTLH-DT (all the way up here in Dawson) using a Zenith Silver Sensor antenna sitting atop my TV with a decent signal, yet I can RARELY (a couple times during the Summer maybe) pick up WFSU-DT at all with my Channel Master 4228 (and a pre-amp) outdoor antenna.

I'm not an expert at broadcasting by any means... but something ain't right there.

Also, WTLH is currently running at full-power now (at 230 using your numbers), and they will be running full power after the transition (at 226 using your numbers). Full power just means that they run at the full amount of power they are supposed to be using (which at this time, is 230 using your numbers).

~Alan

Actually, WTLH asked to stay on 50 instead of return to 49. Basically, what you have now with them in terms of signal is about how it will stay.

- Trip

I'm not an expert at broadcasting by any means... but something ain't right there.

Also, WTLH is currently running at full-power now (at 230 using your numbers), and they will be running full power after the transition (at 226 using your numbers). Full power just means that they run at the full amount of power they are supposed to be using (which at this time, is 230 using your numbers).

~Alan
Ah, thank you.

Yet I can receive WTLH-DT (all the way up here in Dawson) using a Zenith Silver Sensor antenna sitting atop my TV with a decent signal, yet I can RARELY (a couple times during the Summer maybe) pick up WFSU-DT at all with my Channel Master 4228 (and a pre-amp) outdoor antenna.

I'm not an expert at broadcasting by any means... but something ain't right there.


~Alan

I am no expert either, and I don't know how different digital broadcasting is from analog in terms of signal pattern. It is my understanding that transmitters can send a signal in patterns for best coverage - some broadcast in a circlular pattern with equal signal power all around, and some are more targeted like a beam so that locations outside the beam will see a weaker signal. I think WCTV analog used to use a figure 8 type pattern that sent a strong signal north (to Thomasville) and south (to Tallahassee) but left a weak signal to the east and west. Whether they still do that with digital signals I don't know. Maybe JCRS will provide some info.

Well you can forget about using a QAM tuner with Comcast Tallahassee. After buying a small LCD HDTV I found during setup that it could not find any digital cable channels. I called Comcast and they confirmed they do not transmit any of the >100 digital channels in the clear - you need their digital STB to receive those signals. Sad thing is the little LCD, which gets a very nice HDTV picture, but basically sucks at SDTV or non-progressive DVD, so I plan to return it.
Hmm, that's news to me.... been getting the locals on 85.1, 85.2, 86.1 etc for well over a year now...

So when is WCTV going to get an HD video server so we can enjoy Wheel of Fortune, Jeopardy, Oprah in the Fall, and other HD syndicated programs in HD?

CBS News took the Evening News HD and I think WCTV has handled that change well. I understand not having HD Local News, but HD Video Servers also serve ads that many advertisers are making in HD and want shown in the best quality possible.

BTW, Wheel and Jeopardy are some of the best HD programs I have seen.

I'm new to OTA DTV in the Tallahassee area and people on this forum appear to be rather "expert" in the subject so perhaps can help me get started or point me in the right direction.

My main concern is whether I'm receiving all the digital signals available in the area. I live in far northern Leon County in a wooded area, so I'm not able to receive all OTA signals very well. So far, just using a cheap internal UHF antenna/amp, listed below is what I've been able to view:

CBS at 46.1
PBS 32.3
Florida Channel 32.4
Create 32.5
Educational channel 32.6
My Network 46.2
FOX 50.3
CW 50.4

I have not been able to receive the following, even though I think I'm tuned to the right channels as indicated:

ABC 27.1, 27.2, 22.1, 22.2
NBC 40.1, 40.2

Am I looking at the right channels for ABC and NBC?

Also, are there any other digital signals I could possibly receive at my location and what would those channel numbers be?

You can e-mail me direct at JTZMPZ@embarqmail.com if you prefer not to put your answer on this AVS Forum.

Thanks for any help you can provide.

I have not been able to receive the following, even though I think I'm tuned to the right channels as indicated:

ABC 27.1, 7.2, 22.1, 22.2
NBC 40.1, 40.2

Am I looking at the right channels for ABC and NBC?

Also, are there any other digital signals I could possibly receive at my location and what would those channel numbers be?

You can e-mail me direct at JTZMPZ@embarqmail.com if you prefer not to put your answer on this AVS Forum.

Thanks for any help you can provide.WTWC (NBC) is 40.1 and 40.2 with the remapping, but it is actually located at VHF Channel 2. So try scanning 2.1 and 2.2. A VHF antenna may help.

As for WTXL (ABC), 22.1 and 22.2 are the channels and they remap to 27.1 and 27.2. UHF setup you have should get it.

Your location in NE Leon County should make it easy to get the channels as most are on the Georgia-Florida line between Thomasville and Tallahassee.

Channels as they appear after remapping:
WCTV: 6.1 (CBS HD) | 6.2 (MNTV)
WFSU: 11.1 (PBS HD) | 11.2 (Florida Channel) | 11.3 (Create) | 11.4 (FKN)
WTXL: 27.1 (ABC HD) | 27.2 (ABC)
WTWC: 40.1 (NBC HD) | 40.2 (NBC)
WTLH: 49.1 (FOX HD) | 49.2 (CW)

So when is WCTV going to get an HD video server so we can enjoy Wheel of Fortune, Jeopardy, Oprah in the Fall, and other HD syndicated programs in HD?

CBS News took the Evening News HD and I think WCTV has handled that change well. I understand not having HD Local News, but HD Video Servers also serve ads that many advertisers are making in HD and want shown in the best quality possible.

BTW, Wheel and Jeopardy are some of the best HD programs I have seen.

Not untill the advertisers say they will not pay for ad time without it.
Same with DD 5.1 audio. WCTV makes the same amount for ad time(about $300.00 per 30 sec spot during the local news) So why spend the money?

Thanks CapeFish for the Tallahassee DTV channel info. I’m not sure what “remapping” is all about but I’m sure I’ll figure it out.

If you, or anyone, don’t mind, I have another question. This one involves Dish HD programming in the Tallahassee area.

A while back I asked Dish what was needed to start receiving HD programming. At that time I was told a second dish must be installed along with my existing Dish 500 model. That kind of turned me off considering one dish on the house is unsightly enough, let alone two.

At the same time, Direct TV indicated that only one dish was needed to receive their HD programming.

I recently heard that Direct TV has the Tallahassee market scheduled to start delivering local stations in HD beginning in December 2008. If this is true, it might be worth the trouble for me to switch to Direct TV. That way I only need one dish and will receive expanded HD programming.

I’ve not heard when Dish plans locals in HD for this area.

Any comments, corrections, recommendations or suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks.

Alan, most likely the reason why you are able to get WTLH and not WFSU is transmitting height. WFSU's tower is around 800-900 feet, if I rememebr correctly, while WTLH is more than twice as high. Dawson is probably closer to Metcalf than Bloxham, also.

Thanks CapeFish for the Tallahassee DTV channel info. I’m not sure what “remapping” is all about but I’m sure I’ll figure it out.

If you, or anyone, don’t mind, I have another question. This one involves Dish HD programming in the Tallahassee area.

A while back I asked Dish what was needed to start receiving HD programming. At that time I was told a second dish must be installed along with my existing Dish 500 model. That kind of turned me off considering one dish on the house is unsightly enough, let alone two.

At the same time, Direct TV indicated that only one dish was needed to receive their HD programming.

I recently heard that Direct TV has the Tallahassee market scheduled to start delivering local stations in HD beginning in December 2008. If this is true, it might be worth the trouble for me to switch to Direct TV. That way I only need one dish and will receive expanded HD programming.

I’ve not heard when Dish plans locals in HD for this area.

Any comments, corrections, recommendations or suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks.Remapping is when your HDTV takes WCTV's 46.1 and calls it 6.1. It takes the channel's real number (46.1) and gives it a virtual number that lines up with the old analog channel (6.1).

Dish Network currently needs a second Dish antenna aimed at the 61.5 West satellite. Soon, Dish will have all the HD on that side of the sky near 61.5 West to replace the need for two Dish 500 antennas. Dish says Tallahassee HD locals should be coming near the end of this year.

DirecTV requires one very large Dish antenna, but they seem to have issues regarding capacity. Right now, FSN Florida and Sun Sports are on hiatus in HD due to the Olympics while Dish has all that programming at the same time without interruption.

Advice needed please. I am going to have directv installed saturday. I know I am going to need an ota antenna if I want hd locals. I live on South Ride which is very central Tallahassee. It appears the four major networks are all on a compass heading between 55 degrees and 59 degrees. I really only care about the four networks. Can anyone recomend an antenna for me to accomplish this task. I prefer to not mount it outside; however, I am able to place it in an attic. It seems to me I can purchase a unidirectional antenna and leave it aimed to pick up these four locals. Any recomendations? Where should I buy it from? Radio shack?

From what I read on this message board, Directv will have HD locals here in December. Maybe just use an indoor antenna until D turns on the HD locals? I'm currently connected to Comcast and have HD through them, but when it's out (not often) I have a Phillips MANT510, a rabbit ear type deal, purchased from Walmart recently for about $30, and it works pretty well. House is in Southwood. When D turns on the local HD feeds, I'll be moving to the sat.

Tallcane, how did your installation go? What did you decide to do about local HDs?

DirecTV requires one very large Dish antenna, but they seem to have issues regarding capacity.

No offense, but I think you might be mistaken? At this point in time, DirecTV has less issues with capacity than Dish Network. Dish Network will probably catch up some time next year, and might actually get ahead of DirecTV before D12 is launched next year.

Right now, FSN Florida and Sun Sports are on hiatus in HD due to the Olympics while Dish has all that programming at the same time without interruption.

FSN Florida and Sun Sports are not on hiatus in HD on DirecTV...

BTW, stay dry folks, stay dry! ;)

~Alan

I guess I had some wind damage. seems that the LNB now have a wobble in them..can tighten screws but still about half the channels are seearching for satellite. DTV can get here after labor day. How is that for service. Is anyone else capable of realigning it? I am in Tallahassee off Crump between Miccosukee and US 90.

They just called to confirm my apointment for the 30th....the one I made was for the 3rd....when I said it was wrong they offerred me the 27th..I took it..Hopefully they show up

Does anyone on this forum have the Direct TV AM21 Off Air tuner? I am in the Tallahassee market and have been getting great HD reception from WCTV but over the past week my signal is breaking up and is unwatchable. Anyone else having these issues? The FLA game is on wctv 2 on saturday and if I can't figure this out, I'm going to have a houseful of disgrunteled fans! HELP!

Hi y'all. When I last posted about not being able to get WTXL-DT (I was able to get WTXL just fine, including NBC, but still not NBC HD), since I've been using my Winegard SharpShooter SS-3000, I was able to move the amplifier close to antenna by using a shorter cable length (hard to fit through the base of antenna's "notch," though), I am able to get WTXL, but I had to arm my antenna almost perfect to get my signal strength to around 20% to 30% and sometimes around 10%. Even at 20 to 30%, I do get smooth picture most of the time. If my amplifier were to be near a wall outlet, I won't be able to get WTXL-DT.

My area code is 32304 (even though I mentioned it about a couple of pages back), and I'm located across from Tallahassee Community College and close to Wendy's.

I don't know the antenna gain and beam width of my SS-3000, but Winegard's website for my antenna mentions a range of 30 miles. So my question is, if I get ClearStream2, which has a range of 50 miles, will this be overkill if I'm only picking up only 30 miles from the transmitting towers? The reason I ask is because I think my antenna might be better at picking up signals around 20 to 25 miles from the TV transmitters. For receiving channel 49-1, my signal strength is 50%. For WCTV-DT, my signal strength is 70 to 75% but sometimes 80%, for WFSU, 95 to 100% and for CW, even though I'm 6 miles away from the transmitter, I'm getting flicturation between 20% to 50% -- kind of jumpy, because my antenna is not facing toward the transmitter. Picking up NBC analog is very clear, but almost. NBC is clearer than ABC.

Will the reflector removed from my SS-3000 have less forward gain but have wider beam width? I don't want to touch my antenna, because once I do, it's going to take a lot of time to arm my SS-3000 antenna precisely toward the transmitter.

My antenna (located near the top edge of the left window pane) is sitting on top of my cardboard "computer software-sized" box, which sits on top of my books, which then sits on top of my Comcast High-Speed Internet All-In-One Kit box, which then sits on top of my suitcase, and it sits on top of my dresser (laughs at myself)! For that, I'm living in my first-floor apartment which I should've been living on second floor. :| Silly me!

Anyway, my antenna faces North Northeast, where my window faces.

(After a couple of minutes of writing, I had to get my antenna aimed as hard as I can when I check ABC for signal strength...good grief! I think I need a tripod to hold my antenna and get rid of all my stuff! I think maybe all my stuff is hindering my signal...? I don't know. I wouldn't have to adjust my antenna unless I have to. A mess! :()

I read today that WTLH-DT will be adding RTN as a subchannel early next year.

- Trip

When do we find out about the NFL games for Sunday, 9/7 for Comcast? They BETTER show the Jets@Mia game. I don't care that Jax is on at the same time. There seems to be a bigger Mia crowd in Tally and this is the first game for Favre in a Jets uniform (in the regular season). I'm gonna be pissed if Comcast screws this up.

When do we find out about the NFL games for Sunday, 9/7 for Comcast? They BETTER show the Jets@Mia game. I don't care that Jax is on at the same time. There seems to be a bigger Mia crowd in Tally and this is the first game for Favre in a Jets uniform (in the regular season). I'm gonna be pissed if Comcast screws this up.

It's not comcast who will screw it up, it is the local CBS channel who will screw it up. You probably don't remember when the Democrap did a survey that showed Miami fans 2-1 over Jacksonville fans. Response from female programming director "I would have never guessed that." Yes, because you don't understand football. Also you don't understand that even people who say they like Jax don't really tune in because the Jaguars are the most boring team in the NFL. People won't even go to their stadium, yet we are force fed their teal tails. Oh I am sorry, Jacksonville is supposed to win the superbowl this year- Yeah right, maybe after their best receiver solves his coke problem.

Welcome to Tallahassee, where Atlanta versus New Orleans is the superbowl.

When do we find out about the NFL games for Sunday, 9/7 for Comcast? They BETTER show the Jets@Mia game. I don't care that Jax is on at the same time. There seems to be a bigger Mia crowd in Tally and this is the first game for Favre in a Jets uniform (in the regular season). I'm gonna be pissed if Comcast screws this up.
How do I break the bad news...

Neither Comcast, nor any cable company for that matter, can decide what NFL can air in any given market. WCTV, the local CBS affiliate, doesn't choose which game to air. The choice of what game to air is CBS' call done under the NFL's TV market rules.

Seeing Zap2It's schedule next Sunday, WCTV will air the Jacksonville game. The Jags have priority over the Dolphins in the Tally market; it could be that they are a secondary TV market of the Jags. Check out the TV market coverage maps from 2007 (http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/2007.html) from J.P. Kirby.

Ah, of course, my bad...ya know I knew that but I guess I forgot because it's been so long since football season. I forgot that the NFL controls EVERYTHING. 2-1 Miami over Jax fans in Tally, huh? That's a lot.

So what do you think will happen with the Jets @ Mia game this weekend? I'm assuming the NFL will want that game seen by most of the market. I guess it'll be a wait-and-see.

So what do you think will happen with the Jets @ Mia game this weekend? I'm assuming the NFL will want that game seen by most of the market. I guess it'll be a wait-and-see.
Dunno. Both teams were awful last season. The Dolphins are in rebuilding mode and the only positive boost the Jets have is Favre. I'm not excited by either team, really. I also find it very difficult to believe that the Jags are less exciting than the Dolphins. One can make a case for overrated but the Dolphins do not appear to have an explosive offense.

If you're hoping WCTV is going to air the Dolphins game, the only way I can see that happening is some highly unlikely scenario that Titans-Jags game is cancelled or moved. It's true that Jets-Fins will be the "featured" game on CBS and will air in the most of the country. It's just that northern Florida is one of the exceptions.

Dunno. Both teams were awful last season. The Dolphins are in rebuilding mode and the only positive boost the Jets have is Favre. I'm not excited by either team, really. I also find it very difficult to believe that the Jags are less exciting than the Dolphins. One can make a case for overrated but the Dolphins do not appear to have an explosive offense.

If you're hoping WCTV is going to air the Dolphins game, the only way I can see that happening is some highly unlikely scenario that Titans-Jags game is cancelled or moved. It's true that Jets-Fins will be the "featured" game on CBS and will air in the most of the country. It's just that northern Florida is one of the exceptions.
In the recent past, WCTV will usually air the Dolphins unless the Jaguars are playing on the road, then the NFL forces WCTV/CBS to air the Jaguars in Tallahassee.

On 9/7, WCTV will air the Jaguars-Titans since the Jaguars are on the road.

In the recent past, WCTV will usually air the Dolphins unless the Jaguars are playing on the road, then the NFL forces WCTV/CBS to air the Jaguars in Tallahassee.

On 9/7, WCTV will air the Jaguars-Titans since the Jaguars are on the road.
That's odd because I distiinctly recall Jags home games broadcast on WCTV last season.

It's not comcast who will screw it up, it is the local CBS channel who will screw it up. You probably don't remember when the Democrap did a survey that showed Miami fans 2-1 over Jacksonville fans. Response from female programming director "I would have never guessed that." Yes, because you don't understand football. Also you don't understand that even people who say they like Jax don't really tune in because the Jaguars are the most boring team in the NFL. People won't even go to their stadium, yet we are force fed their teal tails. Oh I am sorry, Jacksonville is supposed to win the superbowl this year- Yeah right, maybe after their best receiver solves his coke problem.

Welcome to Tallahassee, where Atlanta versus New Orleans is the superbowl.

This coming from a team that gives a pot head a second, I mean third, I mean forth shot..

Jags games not being exciting.. Sorry you have your eyes closed when you watch the games.

Last time I checked Miami was the crap hole of the NFL last year.. and just because they added the Tuna doesn't mean there gonna be much better this year.

Jags on the other hand have a viable shot of winning their division (with Peyton being hurt) and a shot of making it to the super bowl..

In the recent past, WCTV will usually air the Dolphins unless the Jaguars are playing on the road, then the NFL forces WCTV/CBS to air the Jaguars in Tallahassee.

On 9/7, WCTV will air the Jaguars-Titans since the Jaguars are on the road.

WCTV will always play Jags games (Jax closer to Tallahassee than Miami..) unless they play a NFC team and Fox has the broadcast rights to the game (very rare) - Or unless they play on Sunday Night or Monday Night

Last time I checked Miami was the crap hole of the NFL last year.. and just because they added the Tuna doesn't mean there gonna be much better this year.

Jags on the other hand have a viable shot of winning their division (with Peyton being hurt) and a shot of making it to the super bowl..
I agree with much of it. I don't know if the Jags are Super Bowl material but the Dolphins could not be that exciting even last season unless watching a team lose 15 games is some bizarre idea of "excitement".

Then again, I'm a Falcons fan (cue sneering), so what do I know? :-)
WCTV will always play Jags games (Jax closer to Tallahassee than Miami..) unless they play a NFC team and Fox has the broadcast rights to the game (very rare) - Or unless they play on Sunday Night or Monday Night
I knew this would be the case. Capefish, your info may have been true several years back but WCTV airs Jags games primarily for regional coverage. The only possible scenario I can think of is similar to how WTLH handles Bucs/Falcons games: where Dolphins game can trump Jags home games only when the Dolphins are winning more than a slumping, woeful Jags team. However, I cannot verify this.

For the 2 seasons I have lived here, WCTV airs Dolphins unless the Jags are on the road. That could change this year with the situation of both teams, but that is the usual behavior for WCTV. WTLH usually airs the Bucs over the Falcons.

http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/

Told you it would be Jacksonville..

Go JAGS!

Booo...no one wants to see that game ;)

Guess I'm going to my buddies to see the real game from his Dish.

http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/

Told you it would be Jacksonville..

Go JAGS!

Already said. (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=14562586&postcount=3485) :D

Booo...no one wants to see that game ;)

Guess I'm going to my buddies to see the real game from his Dish.

I do and have fun.

http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/

Told you it would be Jacksonville..

Go JAGS!I told you the Jaguars must be on WCTV when not playing in Jacksonville by NFL rules. However, the NFL has been heavily pushing CBS to carry more regional games on doubleheader weeks. This season will likely see mostly Jags games on WCTV.

I told you the Jaguars must be on WCTV when not playing in Jacksonville by NFL rules. However, the NFL has been heavily pushing CBS to carry more regional games on doubleheader weeks. This season will likely see mostly Jags games on WCTV.
CBS isn't, hasn't (at least recently) and will not carry a doubleheader in Week 1 as long as they have U.S. Open Tennis.

Last season on WCTV had Jags games home and away; I can recall this.

I've taken a look at J.P. Kirby's NFL coverage maps site (http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/) for all seasons (2005-2007) provided on that site; according to the site it is not an every week occurrence that the Dolphins airs instead of a Jags home game in the Thomasville-Tallahassee market.

2007: Weeks where Jags home games was on WCTV (3), Weeks where Dolphins game on WCTV instead of Jags (0)
2006: Jags at home (3), Dolphins instead (1)
2005: Jags at home (3), Dolphins instead (2)

I am excluding instances where the either team was on another network, in a bye week and both teams featured in doubleheaders in the Thomasville-Tallahassee ("Tally") market.

Week 1 last season had a Jaguars home game. According to you, WCTV would not have aired that game. However, I did watch the game on WCTV and Kirby's map site lists the Tally market getting the Jags game. Thus invalidating your assertion that NFL rules can't air Jags home games on WCTV.

Please cite to me what rules would stop the network from airing Week 1 in the Tally market. If you're going to cite the old "home games can't ever be shown in home markets" blackout rule of days gone by, then it's no longer the rule.

Does anyone know what WCTV has been doing with Wheel of Fortune and Jeopardy? I was flipping by WCTV on a normal analog TV tonight and saw the black bars. Too bad I couldn't check WCTV-DT. Was it just a fluke or did they actually have it in HD?

As for Comcast, after many issues after Fay....it looks like they have finally fixed things up in my area at least.

I'm just glad to see that all the Jags games on CBS will be in HD this year.. I remember last year they always seemed to be the game in SD..