before i buy one of these i just want to confirm

the newest firmware fixes the white crush (and newly manufactured ones in the stores should have this firmware, right?)

it never had black crush

it does dvd-a and sacd well

it has dvi

the other thing that concerns me is the 720p problems i'm reading, since i would be feeding 720p to my projector (which is 720p native)

thanks in advance

oleus

Originally posted by oleus
before i buy one of these i just want to confirm

the newest firmware fixes the white crush (and newly manufactured ones in the stores should have this firmware, right?)

it never had black crush

it does dvd-a and sacd well

it has dvi

the other thing that concerns me is the 720p problems i'm reading, since i would be feeding 720p to my projector (which is 720p native)

thanks in advance

oleus

Models manufactured after a certain date, let's say June will have the new firmware. There is no guarantee that the new ones in stores will be recent builds. I just bought one without any white or black crush problems. It doesn't do DVD-A well, it doesn't do it at all. It does have DVI which I am using connected to my Panasonic L500U 720 LCD projector. So far I think I prefer having it set at 1080i. I stated out at 720p but just out of curiosity watched a DVD at 1080i and then did some back and forth comparisons which resulted in a very slight preference of 1080i in my opinion. I don't know why that would be.

Chris

So Chris, would you say that the 318 at 1080i via DVI looks better on a 720p projector than most 480p dvd players?

Also, can you explain how the pixel cropping issue manifests on your projector, I have a 720p native DLP projector.
Thanks.

Originally posted by tubby
So Chris, would you say that the 318 at 1080i via DVI looks better on a 720p projector than most 480p dvd players?

Also, can you explain how the pixel cropping issue manifests on your projector, I have a 720p native DLP projector.
Thanks.

Yes, I believe the 318 looks better at either 1080i or 720p than any 480p DVD player I have seen with a 720p LCD projector. A poorly mastered DVD will probably not look any better but good DVDs do in my opinion. I believe the pixel cropping results in loss of a few pixels on the sides, I don't know the precise number and don't think it is a serious problem for me but others might find it is. Some marginal DVDs that are acceptable with my XBR910 are unwatchable with my projector and the DVB318 doesn't help a bit with those. The Godfather, Blade Runner, and several others really suffer. The difference between 480p and upconversion is not great but with my better quality DVDs, I am very happy.

Chris

One last question I promise:

Does the 318 have significant Macroblocking? If so, is there any reason to believe that there is less MB than with the Denon 1910 or Panny 97s? I had to return the Denon because of MB. Thanks.

Compare to Panny S97, the answer is YES.

Originally posted by tubby
One last question I promise:

Does the 318 have significant Macroblocking? If so, is there any reason to believe that there is less MB than with the Denon 1910 or Panny 97s? I had to return the Denon because of MB. Thanks.

Originally posted by geekrule
Compare to Panny S97, the answer is YES.
I guess I lied about the last post.

Geekrule: is that Yes there is more MB than panny or Yes there is less MB than panny?

Tubby, I have S97 and 318. The MB w/ 318 will jump into your eyes. But the MB w/ S97 is way better, sometime hardly noticeable.
I use 318 1080i component , S97 hdmi connection. My RPTV doesn't have dvi port. And my tv can not display 720p.
You go w/ 318 ONLY under one condition -- for 1080i component connection.

I just purchased and picked up my Sony WF655. After reading all the hype on this 318 was wondering if I should take the plunge. I currently use a Sony SAVA-D900 system..which is basically a set of speakers with built in receiver, subwoofer, and DVD player. This DVD player only allows a S-Video out and I don't even think it is progressive. Its worked pretty good, and seems to "look" very good. I have never had a component/progressive DVD player to see the difference. WIll I notice a difference??

Thanks.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by geekrule
Tubby, I have S97 and 318. The MB w/ 318 will jump into your eyes. But the MB w/ S97 is way better, sometime hardly noticeable.
I use 318 1080i component , S97 hdmi connection. My RPTV doesn't have dvi port. And my tv can not display 720p.
You go w/ 318 ONLY under one condition -- for 1080i component connection. [/QUOTE
Thanks alot. Now were can I get one locally?

Hi,

I watched Finding Nemo on my 318 (1080i component) with my 4805 projector tonight, and enjoyed it.

But,

1. I notice throughout the movie in certain scenes some "ghosting" for lack of a better word, where it looks like when the fish are moving there is a slight blurry overlap from where they just were. It's different than an animated blur, sort of looks like some sort of artifact

2. I can recreate certain frames that are suddenly large blocky pixelated in the middle of a scene, for instance at 34:59 into the movie suddenly one frame is totally blocky, and then back to normal.

Anyone experience this?

Thanks,

Wes

Pehaps your projector needs to be tuned. Try unplugging the DVD player for 10 minutes than reconnect. This should remove any chance that it's the player. You are using the correct connection using component video.

I've had my player for 5 months. Ocasssionally I have to unplug and reset the player. The Zenith can be a bit tempermental. However, it produces excellent images 99% of the time.

I recently upgraded to the the new firmware to fix the white crush problem. I use DVI output anyways so the fact the new firmware doesn't upconvert on the component doesn't matter to me.

After the firmware upgrade here are my findings ...

- it DOES fix the white crush problem, as reported

- I have no problem watching and upconverting commercial DVD's. I tested the pixel DVD's (Monster Inc, Ice age etc), Disney DVD's, spiderman, matrix, x-men, indiana jones, star wars ... and they all upconverted. I have yet to watch a DVD that I fail to upconvert afte the upgrade. I know some posters complain they cannot watch commercial DVD's ... I wonder if it has anything to do with the upgrade though.

- I did encounter 1 problem after the upgrade though. I have unlocked the DVD player to watch all-code DVD's before the upgrade. After the upgrade, the country code lock is resumed to region 1. So I unlocked it again, and it does say the country code is now "0". However, even then I still have problem playing non region 1 DVD's after supposingly unlocking it. Non-region 1 DVD simply locks and stalls the DVD player. I have to unplug the DVD player in order to get the DVD back out.

Originally posted by wes nance
Hi,

I watched Finding Nemo on my 318 (1080i component) with my 4805 projector tonight, and enjoyed it.

2. I can recreate certain frames that are suddenly large blocky pixelated in the middle of a scene, for instance at 34:59 into the movie suddenly one frame is totally blocky, and then back to normal.

Anyone experience this?

Thanks,

Wes

I have the same combo and I'll check wednesday night for the 34:59 issue. By then, if you could come up with more specific timing (PM-me so I'll don't forget), I'll be willing to check the 318 (but with DVI as my components are now plugged to my xp30 !!! - so I'll also be able to view the same scenes with it to confirm if it's indeed the 318 or the Nemo DVD that is screwing up !)

By the way, xp30 pics are way better than 318 at 1080i with components because there's no MB anymore !

Christian

On the 'block pixelation' issue, here's my 2 cents ...

- it might have been suggested to you already, but have you adjusted your projector's brightness and contrast with a AVIA / DVE or at least the THX optimizer tool? A TV / projector with its brightness level set too high will show macro-blocking for black.

- Is it just the particular DVD (Finding Nemo) that you have this problem with or are you seeing the same problem for different DVD's? If you can repeat the problem at the exact same time of this DVD every single time, it might be the DVD.

Originally posted by wes nance
Hi,

I watched Finding Nemo on my 318 (1080i component) with my 4805 projector tonight, and enjoyed it.

But,

1. I notice throughout the movie in certain scenes some "ghosting" for lack of a better word, where it looks like when the fish are moving there is a slight blurry overlap from where they just were. It's different than an animated blur, sort of looks like some sort of artifact

2. I can recreate certain frames that are suddenly large blocky pixelated in the middle of a scene, for instance at 34:59 into the movie suddenly one frame is totally blocky, and then back to normal.

Anyone experience this?

Thanks,

Wes

Using DVI at 1080i I played over Finding Nemo at 34:59 several times going back and forth and could not recreate the problem. I have never watched the entire movie but plan to soon when my children are here but picture quality with that DVD and my DVB318 is really impressive based on the little I just watched. Upconversion of animation is pretty cool.

Chris

Just received my Zenith 813B today with a September 2004 manufacture date. I was going to load the previous firmware (to obtain the capabilites of 1080i on component), but when I put the CD in with the correct file (renamed), all I get is a disc error. I did the following:

1) Downloaded the correct bin file.
2) Renamed the file to lgromout
3) Burned it to a CD-R
4) Put in the Zenith - and all I get is a disc error and the disk ejects.

I can read the disk in a different computer and the file is there.

Am I missing something?

Did you burn the *.bin file to the CD? (So the CD content = *.bin) or did you burn the CD image that is the *.bin file? *.bin and *.iso files are CD images and require the burning software to be told you are burning from an image file.

1. make sure the file name is lgromout.bin, not just lgromout
2. you don't need to burn it as image, just burn it as regular file

Originally posted by wes nance
Hi,

I watched Finding Nemo on my 318 (1080i component) with my 4805 projector tonight, and enjoyed it.

But,

1. I notice throughout the movie in certain scenes some "ghosting" for lack of a better word, where it looks like when the fish are moving there is a slight blurry overlap from where they just were. It's different than an animated blur, sort of looks like some sort of artifact

2. I can recreate certain frames that are suddenly large blocky pixelated in the middle of a scene, for instance at 34:59 into the movie suddenly one frame is totally blocky, and then back to normal.

Anyone experience this?

Thanks,

Wes

nance,

Funny you mention this because just this weekend I noticed the same thing with Finding Nemo. It is most noticeable during the scene where Marlin yells at Nemo thinking he was going to swim out into open sea. While Marlin is swimming back and forth arguing with Nemo, watch his tail, it almost looks as if the image is shearing.

I'm using a Samsung DLP RPTV with DVI for the 318. I thought it might be some sort of DLP artifact, so I tried the same scene using a Sony DVD player and did not see the problem.

I haven't tried the 318 with component to see if the problem goes away, I'll try that tomorrow.

You'll see it with component as well, because that's what I'm running. Weird that it's not repeatable with the other dvd player.

At least someone else confirmed what I saw, thanks!

I may switch to a differernt dvd player. . .

Wes

This is an intentional effect.

jeff

How can it be intentional if it's not there on the Sony DVD player. We're not referring just to the fish glowing under water. This is more of an image ghosting or shearing- you still see the tail in the old place after Marlin has already moved. Definitely some type of artifact. . .

wes

Oh. my bad. You're refering to the trailing artifact issue. Check out spiderman (first one) when he's learning how to control shooting a web. This is a really conspicuous instance.

Best,
jeff

OK, so you know what it is- is this a documented artifact for this dvd player, or dvd's in general, or what? I don't remember seeing it before, and it's probably more noticable now since I'm watching a 7 foot screen. . .

Thanks for your input-


Wes

Wes,
It's been documented in the mamoth 318 info thread. It's the same artifact you see when a logo or image fades out. sort of a now you see it now you don't artifact. Personally I think it's sort of related to the macroblocking artifact (amplification of inherent mpeg noise), but shows up differently.

Since this one shows up in nominal brightness scenes, you can't really hide it or minimize it. It's just going to be there. Luckily, there aren't that many instances where you see it. I've seen it in one brief part of one scene in spiderman. You've seen it in finding nemo. I've had my player for awhile now and that's all I've noticed it in.

Hope this helps,
jeff

That really helps, thanks for taking the time to answer my questions.

Wes

I just purchased a DVB318 DVD player from a seller on Ebay the other day and had some questions about the upconversion function on the player. The User's Manual states that all you need to do to cycle through the Upconversion options is to "Press the Upconversion" button on the front of the player. When I do that, nothing happens. I don't see any indicators light up on the front panel of the player and I don't see any indicators on the TV screen either. What should the player do when I press this button? How do I know what resolution the DVD player's output is? Did I get a bad player?

FYI, I'm using component and the build date is March '04 on the back of the player. Just to be safe, I did patch the firmware to the old firmware version that does upconversion over component as stated in the Sticky Note in this section.

Thanks.

The player must be stopped fo rthe button to work. You'll see the player's display change showing the ouput scan rate and the display will resync.

Best,
jeff

Originally posted by greeno
The player must be stopped fo rthe button to work. You'll see the player's display change showing the ouput scan rate and the display will resync.

Best,
jeff

Thanks Jeff!!!

OK, so I got my DVB318 yesterday. Build date Oct 04, so when I popped in a DVD and tried to upconvert over component to my Hitachi 60V500 LCD, it kept reverting to 480p as expected. So I installed the older firmware (which changed the welcome screen to say "LG" instead of "Zenith") and then I was able to select 720p and 1080i. However, I don't notice much difference between 480p and 1080i. I do notice 720p looks worse than either. Now I didn't expect a night and day difference, but I thought I would notice some improvement with 1080i. Is there a particular DVD title I should use as reference material? I tried several movies and they all looked pretty much the same in 480p or 1080i. I know the TV is receiving the upconverted signal because it flickered when the Zenith swapped resolutions and the TV updated the source input info in the corner of the screen and indicates 1080i correctly. Is the upconversion just not as big a deal as everyone says?

One thing does come to mind, supposedly the Hitachi LCD TV's have some of the best built-in scalars/upconvertors for non-HD material... could it be that the TV was already upconverting my 480p material all along, which is why I don't really notice an improvement when using 1080i from the DVD player? I must admit, HD content on the TV (Direct* and OTA through DVI) still surpasses the quality of any DVD movie I have tested so far.

Somewhat confused about all the fuss over 1080i upconversion...

Originally posted by BMWBig6


One thing does come to mind, supposedly the Hitachi LCD TV's have some of the best built-in scalars/upconvertors for non-HD material... could it be that the TV was already upconverting my 480p material all along, which is why I don't really notice an improvement when using 1080i from the DVD player? I must admit, HD content on the TV (Direct* and OTA through DVI) still surpasses the quality of any DVD movie I have tested so far.

Somewhat confused about all the fuss over 1080i upconversion...

It is very possible your monitor will do a better job upscaling than the DVB318. I don't know anything about that particular HDTV. I do know I much prefer the DVB318 upconverted picture on my Panasonic 720p LCD projector. I do not like the DVB318 picture with my XBR910. I just watched The Butterfly Effect last night and picture quality improvement was very noticeable. I have started watching Touching the Void and was very pleased with the upconverted picture with that DVD so far as well. My favorite movie, The Godfather and The Godfather Pt. 2, look awful with upconversion. Any improvement is very dependent on DVD quality. A good DVD and the results are impressive. A mediocre DVD and the results are disappointing.

Chris

Originally posted by BMWBig6
... However, I don't notice much difference between 480p and 1080i. I do notice 720p looks worse than either. ...

Greetings

You're not looking hard enough. The 480P adds red discoloration to the image. The 1080i does not.

Try a test pattern ... a resolution chart ... the difference are more obvious there.

Regards

BMW, your awesome TV also has quite sophisticated circuitry, including upscaling, that blows this player and anything in its class away. I'm not surprised you aren't seeing much benefit from upscaling in this case. If anything, it wouldn't surprise me if you have some video noise to contend with, since both the TV and your player are going to try and do something with that picture.

You'd probably be better off with a nice pro scan player...otherwise you'd have to climb the ladder a bit in terms of $$$$ on an upscaling player.

Maybe there's some things you can turn off on your TV, but honestly, I'd easily favor your TV over this player.

What's the native resolution on that TV?

Originally posted by Michael TLV

You're not looking hard enough. The 480P adds red discoloration to the image. The 1080i does not.

Sorry I should have clarified, I was only speaking of clarity/sharpness of the image. I didn't bother calibrating the image yet as I haven't decided what setting I want to use. But I'll take your word for it if you say that 480p has red push.


Originally posted by Q of BanditZ
BMW, your awesome TV also has quite sophisticated circuitry, including upscaling, that blows this player and anything in its class away. I'm not surprised you aren't seeing much benefit from upscaling in this case. If anything, it wouldn't surprise me if you have some video noise to contend with, since both the TV and your player are going to try and do something with that picture.

You'd probably be better off with a nice pro scan player...otherwise you'd have to climb the ladder a bit in terms of $$$$ on an upscaling player.

Maybe there's some things you can turn off on your TV, but honestly, I'd easily favor your TV over this player.

What's the native resolution on that TV?

I believe the native is 720p. I can't find any technical specs on the Hitachi's built-in upscaling, but I doubt it's the fancy Faroudja technology that is so highly touted in the Zenith. I can't find anywhere to toggle the TV's upscaling on or off (I am assuming it knows to upscale when detecting signals below 720p, and ignores if it detect 720p or 1080i? I may be wrong though), but maybe that's buried in some kind of service menu. I am further confused because I have just searched the web and have found people with both my TV and the 50" version, claiming significant improvements with the Zenith at 1080i over component. I'm wondering if it's really source/title-dependent (most people refer to DVD's of animated movies so maybe I should try one of those).

Greetings

It's not called RED PUSH ... it is color bleeding or a color artifact. Red Push is something entirely different and has to do with the color decoding where red is over emphasized above the other colours.

The color artifact appears on many edges ... whether they are red or not ... such as the Blue Diva singing in the 5th Element. Suddening she has red edges ... and she is supposed to be blue.

As for sharpness and clarity ... put up a resolution chart at 480p and 1080i and take a look. There is no way you can confuse 480p for 1080i with a decent set of eyes.

Regards

OK, I assumed you meant red push (never heard of the addition of red artifacts with the Zenith until now).

I challenge anyone to come discern a noticeable difference between the 480p and 1080i pq with the DVD's I have. I wonder if the new Zeniths (like mine built Oct 2004) have 1080i over component locked out (even after firmware update), because it looks about the same as 480p. 720 is definitely worse though, so it's allowing some change to occur. When I flip to watch TV programming (D* and OTA), I can definitely see a difference between SD and HD broadcast, even 720p to 1080i, so I know what to look for. I'm just disappointed because the 1080i from DVD looks nothing like the 1080i or 720p I see OTA. Maybe I expected a miracle?

I just got mine, with a build date of Oct 2004...I downloaded the original firmware, renamed it lgromout.bin, and burned it to a disc & popped it in.

Soon after, the disc ejected, and the screen reads "Data Loading..."
It's been like that for about 25 minutes now.
For those of you that have done the downgrade... Is that normal, or is there a problem?

Sounds like a problem. I had the "data loading" screen with some menu/prompt asking to confirm frmware update, but from start to finish I think it took less than a minute.

Ok, thanks. I'll try the whole thing again.

Update: It did work this time. After I downloaded the file again, I made sure the disc was finalized, and it was all good. -Just in case anybody else runs into it.

Glad it worked out, please come back and tell us how the 1080i looks compared to 480p, and what your setup (TV) is.

Originally posted by BMWBig6
I challenge anyone to come discern a noticeable difference between the 480p and 1080i pq with the DVD's I have. [ . . . ] Maybe I expected a miracle?

One way I could see a difference directly was to look at the Zenith logo without a DVD.. If you look at the big Z at the slanted edges, the edges are much smoother when at 1080i than when at 480p.

On some of my DVDs I did not notice a big change.. I would imagine the difference would show up on a larger screen (I had mine connected to a Dell 27" LCD in the bedroom).. I used a Star Wars I DVD, and kept switching back and forth.. and eventually convinced myself that there was a difference. If I looked carefully at the edges it seemed crisper. So I just leave mine at 1080i now, and I am quite happy with it..

Originally posted by oldradios
One way I could see a difference directly was to look at the Zenith logo without a DVD.. If you look at the big Z at the slanted edges, the edges are much smoother when at 1080i than when at 480p.

I *do* notice an improvement on this screen! So I guess it is working somewhat. Maybe I just set myself up for disappointment, but I'll try some other DVD titles and see if it matters. People on here seem to use Finding Nemo and other animated titles as reference source material and I don't have anything like that at this time. Thanks for the additional feedback, your observations seem more reasonable compared to some of the glowing testimonials I have read (although I admit it has a lot to do with the TV too). For the $160 I paid, I am satisfied so far... just not floored at the difference. But I should have known better, since we all know you can't upsample an 800x600 photograph to 1600x1200 and expect a miracle.

Greetings

There rarely is anything that is night and day in this business. Everything is more of an incremental improvement here and there.

A few on the web can often be rather extreme in their description of things ... either blows something away or is unwatchable ...

Regards

Originally posted by Michael TLV
Greetings

There rarely is anything that is night and day in this business. Everything is more of an incremental improvement here and there.

A few on the web can often be rather extreme in their description of things ... either blows something away or is unwatchable ...

Regards

Haha, I've experienced both with the LG version of this player.
The improvement is impressive when run into a Samsung RPTV and there are few artifacts. But when run it into an LG plasma, there are visual problems and artifacts are would say are quite severe. I guess in this case I am the control in the experiment.

If a person has seen just one of these combinations it's possible they could form a strong opinion one way or the other.

Originally posted by BMWBig6
I *do* notice an improvement on this screen! So I guess it is working somewhat. Maybe I just set myself up for disappointment, but I'll try some other DVD titles and see if it matters. People on here seem to use Finding Nemo and other animated titles as reference source material and I don't have anything like that at this time. Thanks for the additional feedback, your observations seem more reasonable compared to some of the glowing testimonials I have read (although I admit it has a lot to do with the TV too). For the $160 I paid, I am satisfied so far... just not floored at the difference. But I should have known better, since we all know you can't upsample an 800x600 photograph to 1600x1200 and expect a miracle.

Look for a small detail like letters on a sign or a badge someone is wearing. I think you'll find the details of these small items will 'pop' a bit more when the image is upscaled. It's entirely possible your set is doing a good job of upscaling already so the incremental improvement of the upscaling player is not that large.

Anyone have cropping issues with the Panny L300u projector?

Originally posted by LewisD
Anyone have cropping issues with the Panny L300u projector?

I have cropping on the right side with a Panasonic L500U. I don't think the pixel cropping is dependent on display, it is caused by the DVB318 and should happen with all displays. I am using the DVI connection. I didn't notice if the brief test I did with component had the same cropping issue but I feel certain that it did. Although I wish a firmware upgrade could fix it, it isn't a big problem for me. I haven't tried to determine the number of pixels, but it isn't noticeable since I zoom the picture to fill the screen.

Chris

I must be doing something simple very wrong but can't put a finger on it.

Have a Oct.'04 build that I am trying to get the old firmware on for 1080i over component. Here is what I did -

1. Downloaded lv700i1.bin to my desktop
2. Opened Nero, dragged the file into it & burned the CD-R. It has an option - do you want to add files later or not. Tried both options separately.
3. Checked the CD - shows the file with extension
4. Put it into the Zenith - tries for a few seconds & then says NO DISK.

What am I doing wrong ?

Hi I would like to know if I can use the "component firmware" of the 318 that's on KOEHI site on the new LGDVB418 so that it can use the component upconversion. Is it possible? If anyone knows for sure please let me know so that I won't have to waste my time going to BB. Thank you so much.

sdeb_net

When you download the file you have to rename it lgromout.bin for the dvb318 to read it.

Actually, since I am going back to component 1080i, I used the file lv700i1.bin. The download seems to have the right extension already.

Any other ideas ?

You NEED to rename the file "lgromout.bin " no matter what you're trying to do. It's the only filename the machine will recognize. They are only named differently on KOEHI's server to keep them apart in the file system and so users don't get confused in case they download both. ZZepman is correct, rename it and it will work like a charm.

I tried doing the above, renamed the file and so forth, I used NERO and finalized the disk.

When I put it in the DVD player, it loads the disk and a screen comes up that says "loading data......." after a moment the Loader pops open, but the screen stays the same. If I don't do anything, it stays that way, loading data... even after 10 minutes. Will not respond to comands from the remote, and if I try to close the loader, it won't close, it wants to stay open. If I switch the player off, it still shows it is a zenith unit when switched back and and won't do the upconvert, so I Know it is not taking the update.

How long does it take to do the flash?

Forgot to add, it is a OCT 2004 build

Originally posted by akdude47
How long does it take to do the flash?

Only took me about 1 minute from start to finish. Your steps sound correct, but I don't remember the loader popping open before you are prompted to continue loading the new firmware ("ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT TO DO THIS!" etc.).

Hmmm never got any prompts. Only thing I know to do now is to make another disk and see what happens.

As far as I remember (it's been a couple days), I popped in the CDR, the player made some seeking noises while reading it (I think "Loading data..." appeared at this time), and then a prompt appeared asking you to confirm to continue with firmware update. You hit a button on remote to continue and you will see a status bar showing progress (I forget if actual percentage complete is indicated). It's all done in a matter of seconds, and then the player turns off by itself. When you turn it back on, the welcome screen says "LG."

This is a dumb question but, once you push "upconversion" to whatever display you like, 720p, 1080i, etc.., is it set or do you have to do it every time you watch a different dvd or turn it on? Zenith tech said i would have to push upconvert everytime I turn it on.

It will remember the last resolution you had it set to so you do not need to push the upconvert button unless you wish to change the resolution.

thanks! the tech told me that if I kept it on and put in a different movie then no, but if I turned it off then I would have to push upconvert again. Seems like a simple question that the techs should know.

News Flash, i just bought 2 units mfg March 2004 @ Handy TV. i had them check stock at other stores all of which are located in Alabama. they are retailing them for $199 each. i can not confirm what date of mfg the other stores are stocking.

Handy TV and Appliance the following stores have 3 each:
Athens, AL- Cullman, AL,- Clanton, AL,- Jasper, AL - Tuscaloosa,AL.

fyi,

matt

Originally posted by boorapper
Hi I would like to know if I can use the "component firmware" of the 318 that's on KOEHI site on the new LGDVB418 so that it can use the component upconversion. Is it possible? If anyone knows for sure please let me know so that I won't have to waste my time going to BB. Thank you so much.

Can this be done?
The Zenith DVB 318 seems to be scarce these days.
Maybe the 418 would be a nice alternative especially if it can upconvert through component video.

the 418 and 318 are different devices, so I would bet that their firmwares are slightly different. You could try it, but you might end up with a door stop.

jeff

Can this be done?
The Zenith DVB 318 seems to be scarce these days.
Maybe the 418 would be a nice alternative especially if it can upconvert through component video.


Amazon had them for $140 a week or two ago, should have gotten one. :)


BTW. They don't have them anymore.

Is there a way to center the image from the 318 itself or does it have to be done inside the television? I just received this player yesterday and while running DVE I noticed the overscan pattern was shifted to the left and up slightly. I'm getting about 6% overscan on the left side and about 4% on the right. It's about a 1% difference on the top and bottom as well. I believe the vertical difference is coming from the TV but the horizontal is from the 318. The only way I confirm this is by using the manual convergence pattern on my Sony KDP-57WS655. I don't know if there are any usable test patterns inside the service menu to confirm this.

Since this is a new Oct. '04 built unit would I be voiding any warranty this player has by rolling back the firmware?

Thanks,
Wade

Originally posted by Wade_JR

Since this is a new Oct. '04 built unit would I be voiding any warranty this player has by rolling back the firmware?

Thanks,
Wade


Well, if there was a warantee issue, and if it was possible to reflash with the current firmware then you shouldn't have a problem by reverting before you send the unit in.

However, if they found an earlier firmware on there I am sure they would reserve the right to refuse service.

In the end, if you did have a problem and were actually successful getting warantee attention, then I personally don't think they would refuse you. I believe they would simply reflash with the current firmware during their repair process.

I think the Zenith warantee is only for 90 days anyway so it may not matter.

Folks, how do you reset this unit if it's jammed on you?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=480475 This man needs help!

Originally posted by Q of BanditZ
Folks, how do you reset this unit if it's jammed on you?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=480475 This man needs help!

Thanks Q! You're not Bandit, you're Robin Hood! :D

Originally posted by consumertalks
Thanks Q! You're not Bandit, you're Robin Hood! :D

Hopefully we get the results that I think we can. :)

I have just purchased the 318 with a build date of October 2004. I want to only use the component connections. If I download the component firmware and load it into the zenith. Will I then have upconverting capabilities through component out?

Thanks

Originally posted by fstamp
I have just purchased the 318 with a build date of October 2004. I want to only use the component connections. If I download the component firmware and load it into the zenith. Will I then have upconverting capabilities through component out?

Thanks

Yes, that is exactly what the older firmware accomplishes.

Chris

Well, I have just tried to do exactly that to no avail. I received my DVB-318 today and it had a sticker over its plastic bag that read "OCTOBER 2004". I set it up, tried a number of DVDs and sure enough, upconversion worked fine for some DVDs but then I tried Toy Story and others and no matter what I did, the resolution would go back to 480p (incidentally, at 480p it does not look all that nice compared to my prior $50 Samsung player).

As per the instructions, I downloaded the lv700i.bin file, renamed it lgromout.bin and wrote it as the only file on a CD-R (Maxell) media. I inserted the CD in the player, waited anxiously, and "NO DISC" was displayed both in the screen and in the LCD... Not good...

I tried the DVDs and, sure enough, nothing had changed...

Did I do something wrong? Please help.

On another note, I had the 318 connected to my A/V receiver via a coax cable and I kept loosing the sound, as if nothing was connected. Sometimes I would great great sound, and sometimes nothing. I wonder if this is a problem of the receiver or the dvd player (for your information, I never get this sound dropoff with my HDTV tuner or the XBOX - but then again those two are connected via optical and not coax)

Any help on the upconversion and the sound issue would be much appreciated.

Thanks in advance,
Luis

Well, I have just tried to do exactly that to no avail. I received my DVB-318 today and it had a sticker over its plastic bag that read "OCTOBER 2004". I set it up, tried a number of DVDs and sure enough, upconversion worked fine for some DVDs but then I tried Toy Story and others and no matter what I did, the resolution would go back to 480p (incidentally, at 480p it does not look all that nice compared to my prior $50 Samsung player).

As per the instructions, I downloaded the lv700i.bin file, renamed it lgromout.bin and wrote it as the only file on a CD-R (Maxell) media. I inserted the CD in the player, waited anxiously, and "NO DISC" was displayed both in the screen and in the LCD... Not good...

I tried the DVDs and, sure enough, nothing had changed...

Did I do something wrong? Please help.

On another note, I had the 318 connected to my A/V receiver via a coax cable and I kept loosing the sound, as if nothing was connected. Sometimes I would great great sound, and sometimes nothing. I wonder if this is a problem of the receiver or the dvd player (for your information, I never get this sound dropoff with my HDTV tuner or the XBOX - but then again those two are connected via optical and not coax)

Any help on the upconversion and the sound issue would be much appreciated.

Thanks in advance,
Luis

I just received mine from Amazon and it had a build date of October 2004. The flash to the old firmware worked like a charm. It now says that it's a LG on the welcome screen. Did you finalize the CD that you burned lgromout.bin?

Just got mine also downgrading was no problem....I first had the file named wrong and got the "NO DISC" error. I re-burned the disk with the correct file name and everything went fine. The only dissapointment is the cropping...at 480p it fine, at 720p and 1080i I loose a 1/4" from the right of my screen on the Olevia 30" LCD. Before the downgrade I hooked up the DVI and the cropping was horrible with white dots and the top of the screen.

Mac

Could somebody do a favor and do a factory reset on an Oct 2004 model *before* they flash any of the old firmwares?

It would be nice to get the version numbers from that screen and see if they are different than other post-July-2004 models.

I think the procedure is:
setup --> screen --> aspect --> 16:9
and when you are on the 16:9, press 1, 3, 9, 7, 1, 3, 9, Enter

It should pop to a screen full of information, perhaps someone can jot that down.

Oct. 04 build date factory reset:

MODEL : ZV700I1
REGION NO. : 1
CHIP I. D. : STM 5589 cut2.1
SERVO VER. : 005D
GUI VER. : V1.71D
PANEL VER. : V2.04
MICOM VER. : V1.92

PROM OPTION : 55 53 00 47 16 55 60 00
00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00

As of two days ago - i just got one. October 04 date, used the firmware patch, now have component upconversion, etc.

Zenith has no idea what I'm talking about when I called them just now to ask them about getting firmware for the DVB318 that fixes the white crush over DVI.

I'd like to have it on hand. Anyone care to steer me in the right direction?

Yes, indeed, entirely user's error :)
I reburned the file to the CD, made sure it was there on my computer, and upon inserting it on the DVD player everything worked fine.

I also have not noticed sound drop-off after the downgrade, but then again I have not had time to test it yet. If anybody is also experiencing problems with sound (over coax connector) I would be interested in your experience.

Thanks much for all the replies.
Luis

Originally posted by Chris Gerhard
Oct. 04 build date factory reset:

MODEL : ZV700I1
REGION NO. : 1
CHIP I. D. : STM 5589 cut2.1
SERVO VER. : 005D
GUI VER. : V1.71D
PANEL VER. : V2.04
MICOM VER. : V1.92

PROM OPTION : 55 53 00 47 16 55 60 00
00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00

Here's the screen from a Nov 03 and Feb 04 model LG7832NXC, a couple of small differences:

MODEL : LV700I1
REGION NO. : 1
CHIP I. D. : STM 5589 cut2.1
SERVO VER. : 005D
GUI VER. : V1.70
PANEL VER. : V2.03
MICOM VER. : V1.90

PROM OPTION : 43 41 00 47 16 55 70 00
00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00

See my separate thread ... but my new DVB318 made October 2004 works in 1080i via component out of the box... no firmware adjustment needed =)

Just received my player from Amazon.com, it's born-on date is October 2004 and there was a yellow page in the box stating the player would output 720p & 1080i from the component out jacks. Seems like that was the case as my TV would resync as I pressed the upconversion button. However, I did not notice any difference in picture quality on my Advent 27" HD receiver. So I flashed the unit with the LG version to be sure and the results seemed to be the same. Will try and get a test disc to see if the high frequency response is any different on the various resolutions. BTW- I think the P. Q. is as good as I have seen on a DVD player.

Originally posted by khaash
See my separate thread ... but my new DVB318 made October 2004 works in 1080i via component out of the box... no firmware adjustment needed =)

I don't think you're going to like one of my theories as to why that is. ;)

It seems from reading this thrad that the improvement in PQ depends on a few things and one of them is the scaling capability of your TV set.

Well I have a Sony KV-30HS420 and a 6 year old DVD Toshiba changer non-progressive.

Will I be able to tell a difference with the DVB318 over component?

Thanks

I believe you will see improvement compared to your old Toshiba. I don't believe you will see improvement compared to most current progressive scan non upscaling players. All of the opinions aren't likely to mean much, only your opinion will matter. As I stated in your thread, I don't think the DVB318 is the best option for a direct view 30" monitor because I have the DVB318 and an XBR910. The upscaling players in general are preferred for LCD and DLP front and rear projection and plasma monitors. There are some that like upscaling for a 30" direct view but I believe that would be the exception and not the rule.

Chris

I have owned the player since it has been available. I rarely use it because of the cropping issue. It bothers me that Zenith has issued
a firmware update for the "white crush" problem but never corrected the
other problems.

The cropping issue could be significant with your monitor. I am using the DVB318 with a front projector and adjust the picture to fit the screen so the few missed pixels are not a big issue for me.

Chris

Originally posted by Chris Gerhard
I believe you will see improvement compared to your old Toshiba. I don't believe you will see improvement compared to most current progressive scan non upscaling players. All of the opinions aren't likely to mean much, only your opinion will matter. As I stated in your thread, I don't think the DVB318 is the best option for a direct view 30" monitor because I have the DVB318 and an XBR910. The upscaling players in general are preferred for LCD and DLP front and rear projection and plasma monitors. There are some that like upscaling for a 30" direct view but I believe that would be the exception and not the rule.

Chris

Thanks Chris...but doesn't the DVB318 also doe sprogressive scan too as well? so I would be getting both upscaling as well as progressive. At the price of around $150, if I can find it, it would be a good buy.

Right now, watching DVD, the pics are very very good. I can't imagine how much better it would be...this saturday, I'm getting Comcast HD installed.

I also am disappointed that Zenith/LG haven't done anything to resolve the cropping issue, but I continue to use the player because it does produce a high quality picture with my sanyo Z2.

I tried the email support thing with them, and the farthest I got was "give us a call so we can discuss the return repair authorization"... Which I KNOW isn't going to solve anything.

Anyone else tried making them aware of the problem?

From what I can see, the pixels are not really cropped, the image is just shifted over to the left. At least that is the impression I get with my X1 projector, as I use no overscan, but I can shift the image to the right, and see more image on the left that was not there before I shifted.. if you know what I mean.

Originally posted by akdude47
From what I can see, the pixels are not really cropped, the image is just shifted over to the left. At least that is the impression I get with my X1 projector, as I use no overscan, but I can shift the image to the right, and see more image on the left that was not there before I shifted.. if you know what I mean.

Same for me on my 4805 projector. The problem is the 4850 isn't remembering the h-shift setting each time the input is selected, so it's kind of a pain if my wife wants to watch or something without me to set it up.

My problems are still more HDCP related, as neither my 318 or my SA8300 Hd DVR box will work without some "workaround" over DVI. That's kind of frustrating. . .

Wes

Originally posted by RudyMeister
Thanks Chris...but doesn't the DVB318 also doe sprogressive scan too as well? so I would be getting both upscaling as well as progressive. At the price of around $150, if I can find it, it would be a good buy.

Right now, watching DVD, the pics are very very good. I can't imagine how much better it would be...this saturday, I'm getting Comcast HD installed.

Yes the DVB318 does progressive scan, it just doesn't do it very well in my opinion. There are better 480p players at $150.

Chris

Chris is being generous. The Zenith 318's 480p is simply piss poor regardless of what connection you use. ;)

Originally posted by Q of BanditZ
Chris is being generous. The Zenith 318's 480p is simply piss poor regardless of what connection you use. ;)

OK now I'm confused and don't know which to buy.

Maybe I should wait until the HD DVD players come out.

The cropping issue is big for me since making adjustments for each source
is a real pain. It is very bad with some projectors. It really bugs me that
Zenith(LG) has not responded to the many requests and complaints about
this problem.

I use the 318 with the Infocus 4805 FP as well. The cropping on the right side really isn't that much IMO. What I did to solve it was adjust my image position and PJ zoom setting so the 318's image filled the screen completely.

As a result of this, the other source I send to the PJ (HDTV) loses a sliver of it's image on the right side into the black velvet frame around my screen. The missing sliver is so small I don't even think about it, and the DVD image looks perfect.

The 1080i PQ is worth putting up with the cropping bug IMO.

Originally posted by RudyMeister
Maybe I should wait until the HD DVD players come out.

Well one thing is almost certain. Is that you also probably won't be buying one of those true HD player for only $150-$250 for the first year or two.

Originally posted by RudyMeister
OK now I'm confused and don't know which to buy.

Maybe I should wait until the HD DVD players come out.

If you are happy with your old Toshiba, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that decision. If performance is poor, then now is a great time to buy a new DVD player. Prices are low and DVDs can look really good. I also have HDTV sources to display on my monitors but I don't hesitate to watch DVD when the program I want to see is on a DVD. There is quite a difference between a good DVD presentation and a bad one.

Chris

Originally posted by Johnla
Well one thing is almost certain. Is that you also probably won't be buying one of those true HD player for only $150-$250 for the first year or two.

:mad: :mad: You're right John. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Originally posted by Chris Gerhard
If you are happy with your old Toshiba, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that decision. If performance is poor, then now is a great time to buy a new DVD player. Prices are low and DVDs can look really good. I also have HDTV sources to display on my monitors but I don't hesitate to watch DVD when the program I want to see is on a DVD. There is quite a difference between a good DVD presentation and a bad one.

Chris

Chris, this is probably one of those case where ignorance is bliss :) :mad: :o

It's just hard to ignore when so many other people going from a regular DVD player to a progressive/upscale player and they say they can see a noticeable improvement.

Originally posted by Johnla
Well one thing is almost certain. Is that you also probably won't be buying one of those true HD player for only $150-$250 for the first year or two.

A generous, mastery of understatement my friend.

Originally posted by scooterboy
I use the 318 with the Infocus 4805 FP as well. The cropping on the right side really isn't that much IMO. What I did to solve it was adjust my image position and PJ zoom setting so the 318's image filled the screen completely.

As a result of this, the other source I send to the PJ (HDTV) loses a sliver of it's image on the right side into the black velvet frame around my screen. The missing sliver is so small I don't even think about it, and the DVD image looks perfect.

The 1080i PQ is worth putting up with the cropping bug IMO.

Scooterboy,

Does your 4805 lock back into the 318 OK when you boot up, or when you switch off the component input and then back to it? Mine loses sync, and the picture is very dark. I then have to hit the auto image button, which fixes the picture, but my settings for H position are lost, and the picture shifts back over to the left.

I'm wondering why it does this? How does yours work?

Wes

Originally posted by Q of BanditZ
Chris is being generous. The Zenith 318's 480p is simply piss poor regardless of what connection you use. ;)

I'd tend to agree, the 480p mode is worse than several other players I hooked up, ranging from no-name to some nicer units.

I only use this unit for upconversion 1080i thru component output. I use my Panasonic CP72 for progressive scan.

I've got one of these from the amazon deal waiting for me when I get home on Thursday.

I've got a question... I have a Samsung HLP 5063 and was wondering if it would be preferable to leave the firmware as is and use DVI, or downgrade the firmware and use component?

My DTV-HD is connected to component and it looks great... I tried connecting it to DVI and something wasn't right (wouldn't display right, mostly blocky green stuff). I haven't tried to solve that problem yet, but that's for another forum I'm sure.

Anyhow, just wondering what the consensus is.

Thanks,
No Worries

The latest versions [Oct date] have re-enabled the 1080i component out feature. Perhaps you want to try your unit before flashing the software.

Noworries, I use the DVI connection at 1080i. Picture quality is the same to my eyes as the component connection at 1080i. For DVDs that don't look good upscaled to 1080i, I use a different player. If my Zenith DVB318 was my only player, I wouldn't be happy with it. I won't use it for 4:3 viewing since that can't be upscaled without stretching and 480i and 480p are sub-par. Some DVDs simply don't upscale very well and those look much better with my standard progressive scan. For its intended use, with DVI to my 720p front projector, I am very happy with the DVB318. I do wish the 720p performance was better as that should have been my best setting with my projector but 1080i just looks better. This is a great DVD player for the price if the shortcomings are avoidable for you, which I believe means you don't want it if it is going to be your only player.

Chris

Originally posted by Bill-NJ
The latest versions [Oct date] have re-enabled the 1080i component out feature. Perhaps you want to try your unit before flashing the software.

Is this purely speculation or do you know something we don't? Because my Oct 04 unit definitely needed the firmware.

Greetings

He probably hasn't tried it on all the offending DVD's yet. The unit still upconverts maybe 4 out of 10 discs.

Regards

I'll try some other DVD's this coming weekend and let you know. I can tell you that my Oct '04 has no problems upconverting LORD OF THE RINGS DVDs. I've got some others lying around I'll try.

Originally posted by wes nance
Scooterboy,

Does your 4805 lock back into the 318 OK when you boot up, or when you switch off the component input and then back to it? Mine loses sync, and the picture is very dark. I then have to hit the auto image button, which fixes the picture, but my settings for H position are lost, and the picture shifts back over to the left.

I'm wondering why it does this? How does yours work?

Wes When I first turn the PJ on, it's usually set to the HDTV STB and very occasionally it's green and I have to hit the auto-image button. Other than that, I rarely have to use that button. Switching between the STB and the 318 inputs is never a problem, and booting the PJ when it's set to the 318 has never been a problem.

But keep in mind that I'm running both of those sources via component - I'm not using the DVI connection at all. I got a M1->component adapter from Infocus so I'm running two sets of component cables to the 4805.

Are you using DVI? If so, that might be part of the mystery.

There is a "synch threshold" checkbox in the menus. Have you tried that? Also the new 4805 firmware turns that synch checkbox into a slider. Maybe you could try that too.

Hello BMW-

My unit came with a yellow piece of paper informing the buyer that the unit would upconvert to 720p & 1080i on the component out jacks. Maybe someone can verify whether a new version of the software is in these Oct machines. Unfortunately I flashed my unit with the LG version before investigating. I would like to get the new version back if possible since it may have other improvements that are not obvious.

Finally, I do not have a lot of DVDs ......

Originally posted by Bill-NJ
Hello BMW-

My unit came with a yellow piece of paper informing the buyer that the unit would upconvert to 720p & 1080i on the component out jacks. Maybe someone can verify whether a new version of the software is in these Oct machines. Unfortunately I flashed my unit with the LG version before investigating. I would like to get the new version back if possible since it may have other improvements that are not obvious.

Finally, I do not have a lot of DVDs ......

Hmm, I'd love to try the newer firmware too, since I already reverted to the old one. I also had the yellow piece of paper, but the player failed to maintain 720p or 1080i on the first couple discs I tried (one of them was Kill Bill Vol. 1 I think).

Just to clarify here as well... The FIRST disc of The Lord of the Rings Extended Edition plays fine over component 1080i for me straight out of the box. I'll try some other discs and post by the weekend.

Originally posted by number17
- I did encounter 1 problem after the upgrade though. I have unlocked the DVD player to watch all-code DVD's before the upgrade. After the upgrade, the country code lock is resumed to region 1. So I unlocked it again, and it does say the country code is now "0". However, even then I still have problem playing non region 1 DVD's after supposingly unlocking it. Non-region 1 DVD simply locks and stalls the DVD player. I have to unplug the DVD player in order to get the DVD back out.

Has anyone else encountered this problem?

Any problems unlocking the region code after flashing back with the firmware that allows upconvert over component but brings back the white crush?

Greetings

The region hack works fine with the component firmware version ... but I have not tested it on an actual non region 1 disc though.

regards

The region hack works with both firmware, but you'll have to flash it everytime you change the firmware. I recently fixed the DVI white crush and had to use my region-free disk once again but now it works !

Has anyone here tried to reflash to old firmware?? I just purchased a new DVB318 and the reasons why I purchased it were because I dont have DVI output and I read the thread and post for the link to download the file (to switch it back to old firmware settings) will allow me to use conponent to upconvert to 1080. Again, has anyone tried to do this, and has it worked. If not I will have to send back the DVD player as soon as I recieve it and buy an older version on E-Bay that will use the component conversion. Please help??

Thanks you



Dfreed

Try it first. Mine didn't need to be adjusted. But, yes, that would make it work.

Greetings

Dfreed, both firmware versions flash just fine. Try the one you want ... you can always go back to the zenith one later.

But yes, test out what you have first to confirm that it does not do what you want it to do in component 1080.

Regards

I got an October 04 build with the yellow piece of paper, and it would not upconvert most of the titles I tried in it. Flashing the old firmware, however, was a breeze and it works well now. Unfortunately, in the HD modes I get a small dotted while line on the top portion of the display. Since I get similar noise once in a while with my cable box as well, I suspect this is just a limitation of my projector's fixed panel display.

The white line will go away after you shutdown the player once, atleast it did for me...

Originally posted by Cricricri
The region hack works with both firmware, but you'll have to flash it everytime you change the firmware. I recently fixed the DVI white crush and had to use my region-free disk once again but now it works !

Can you explain why should one want to hack a DVD player to make it region free? Is it because you can get better movies from other regions. If so which region(s) have better movies than what we have here with region 1. Where can you buy those movies? I've had my 318 for almost 6 months and still kinda in the dark every time I read a post regarding hacking the player to make it region free.

I also have the Oct 2004 model. It did NOT upconvert all movies (only some) prior to flashing the firmware. Works fine now, but I also get the white dots at the top of the screen. Turning the unit off and on does not help. Must be my projector (Optoma H56A). Don't think I'll be able to live with the white dots. Oh well, it was worth a try... the seach continues for a decent non-hdcp upconverting player.

Originally posted by wdang
Can you explain why should one want to hack a DVD player to make it region free? Is it because you can get better movies from other regions. If so which region(s) have better movies than what we have here with region 1. Where can you buy those movies? I've had my 318 for almost 6 months and still kinda in the dark every time I read a post regarding hacking the player to make it region free.

Many players can be hacked to be region free. I have spent some time looking at titles of DVDs available from other regions that are either unavailable in region 1 or available in a different and possibly better version in other regions. The list is not great in my opinion and I have never bothered to hack any player and buy some of those titles. Do a search online and see if there are titles that are must have for you. Foreign language films probably have a much better selection from other regions.

Chris

Originally posted by Chris Gerhard
Many players can be hacked to be region free. I have spent some time looking at titles of DVDs available from other regions that are either unavailable in region 1 or available in a different and possibly better version in other regions. The list is not great in my opinion and I have never bothered to hack any player and buy some of those titles. Do a search online and see if there are titles that are must have for you. Foreign language films probably have a much better selection from other regions.

Chris

Thanks, Chris.

wdang: Chris is right, there's a lot of good movies in foreign language that are better in region 2. I'm french speaking, so I can take advantage of it more than you could, but anyway.

One of my best movie ever is Delicatessen (from the same director of City of Lost Children), still not available in region 1.

Amazon.uk and sendit.com are two sites where I shop.

Try this excellent site:

http://www.compare.dvdbeaver.com/film/new.htm

Originally posted by Cricricri
wdang: Chris is right, there's a lot of good movies in foreign language that are better in region 2. I'm french speaking, so I can take advantage of it more than you could, but anyway.

One of my best movie ever is Delicatessen (from the same director of City of Lost Children), still not available in region 1.

Amazon.uk and sendit.com are two sites where I shop.

Try this excellent site:

http://www.compare.dvdbeaver.com/film/new.htm

Thank you Cricricri.

Just to chime in ... a 3rd person has reported no need for flashing to old firmware for component 1080i in my thread concerning such... so if you receive a new 318 with an October '04 date, TRY IT FIRST. :)

Hi!
My first post here might be relevant to this October build issue and whether they have re-enabled upconversion on the component outputs.

I received a Zenith 318 today with an October 2004 build date. Connected it to my Zenith C34W23 CRT HDTV via the 1080i component inputs. For those who don't know, this is an interesting set in that this HD input only accepts 1080i input - no 480i/p or 720p. Otherwise the set only accepts 480i signals on all other inputs.

To cut to the chase, I loaded Matrix (since it has been reported on the problem list of DVDs that were not upconverted), and it played just fine through 1080i. I will try some of the other problem titles this evening.

Along with this piece of information, I do have a question for you video gurus. I hadn't viewed an image via a 1080i signal in a long time (probably since mid 90's) and the first thing that struck me when the Zenith DVD player screen was on was the extent of flickering on the screen. I do not recall seeing this to this extent on 480i signals upconverted internally by the Zenith TV. (But the image was different though.) Didn't bother me when I was watching the movie, but on a static image, it was noticeable. It immediately brought tback memories of the PC monitors from a long time back.

Is this the nature of the beast or is there some way to minimize this. There is a bundle of power and signal cables at the back of the setup though.

Chris.

According to the LA Times, the DVD for The Matrix Reloaded won't have copy protection. Warner Brothers also released some copies of the Harry Potter DVD without any copy protection.

Actually my very second test DVD (Star Wars IV, from the newly release boxed set) failed to play on 1080i through component output. Because my TV accepts only 1080i on HD, the screen just blanked out. I assume the player was putting out 480p.

I downgraded the firmware, and the same disk played like a charm
Any thoughts on the flicker on the CRT HDTV from the interlaced source would be appreciated.

Chris.

does anyone know if there is a firmware upgrade or downgrade that allows the 3510a to output 1080i through component on copyrighted dvds? I have no build date on the back so I do not what firmware it has in it.

FYI, I just saw the DVB318 is back in stock at Amazon.com. Add it to your cart to find out the price (cheaper than last time around).

Oh well, just to see what all the talk is about I just snagged one from Amazon. Heck, if worse comes to worse and I don't like it. With they way some things go with DVD players that have a "aura" about them such as the 318 does, it may end up selling later on ebay for more than what the Amazon price was. So I figure it probably won't cost me much if anything to try it, even if I don't end up liking it.

I just noticed a faint vertical line about 2 inches from the right edge of the screen when the player is in 1080i mode. It goes away when in 480p and there is no line when viewing HD from Comcast. It's not cery noticeable unless you look for it but now that I know it's there it sticks out like mad. Any ideas?

I just got my player from saving lots and something isn't right...I hit the eject button and it takes like a minute to open. And I can't get anything to work...Do I have a defective unit? The off and on button works fine, but thats it.

Originally posted by ramsfan2
I just got my player from saving lots and something isn't right...I hit the eject button and it takes like a minute to open. And I can't get anything to work...Do I have a defective unit? The off and on button works fine, but thats it.
That's what happened to mine, a new one from Amazon is on the way for Monday. I have a feeling a large batch of either flashed/reflashed/returned units have gone out, or maybe Zenith reflashed them in house, and the master was corrupt? That's quite a theory, I know.. I just want mine to work! :D

Should I try reflashing this thing before I send it back? Man I really wanted this before Christmas. Such a hassle.

Originally posted by ramsfan2
Should I try reflashing this thing before I send it back? Man I really wanted this before Christmas. Such a hassle.
I called Amazon yesterday, and they're sending it next day. I missed the cutoff yesterday, so Friday to Monday is one day- and the scheduled pickup of the old unit isn't until Wednesday!! That's pretty good service, but I don't know where you ordered from.

Personally, I'd just leave it as is, that way there's not any question about you possibly tampering with an already defective unit. :)

Ok, getting ready to send it back....I just hope the next one they send me isn't defective.

I've tried searching, but can't find the answer:

Does the 318 support simultaneous output over the DVI port and the component output?

And if so...if set to 1080i -> with the newer firmware, will the component out still work, albeit at 480p?

I have a 318 with the old firmware, but have no dvi displays (yet) to try this on.....but I'm upgrading my HT to a new pj, but want to run a plasma simultaneously using component....

Rich

Originally posted by boykster
Does the 318 support simultaneous output over the DVI port and the component output?
I don't think that's possible/a good idea. Found this in the FAQ:

And this needs to be said again:

DO NOT HAVE BOTH DVI AND COMPONENT CABLES CONNECTED AT THE SAME TIME! GLITCHFEST!

ah...good to know.....

Well, I'll just have to see how the 318 looks over component on my new pj when I get it...or go back to my rp82, or.....

well...

Thanks!

Rich

Originally posted by aup
Actually my very second test DVD (Star Wars IV, from the newly release boxed set) failed to play on 1080i through component output. Because my TV accepts only 1080i on HD, the screen just blanked out. I assume the player was putting out 480p.

I downgraded the firmware, and the same disk played like a charm
Any thoughts on the flicker on the CRT HDTV from the interlaced source would be appreciated.

Chris.

Chris, since you have a Zenith direct view and a Zenith DVD player, you might inquire with Zenith regarding your interlaced flicker problem. I don't like the DVB318 picture with my XBR910 direct view so don't use it but it was because the picture was inferior to my 480p DVD player. The color was not as good and the picture just not as film like. Flicker wasn't noticed but I haven't used that combo much. If you can get a true 1080i HDTV source to try with your monitor, it might be helpful to pinpoint the problem. I don't see much flicker with any interlaced source although flicker can be a problem with 480i as well as 1080i. In general, I don't think upconversion works very well with direct view HDTV.

Chris

Oh well...
Amazon just sent me a email that they are changing the shipping date on the one I ordered that was "on sale" for just under $150 the other night. And they did not even providing me with a new date, they just said that it was "delayed" and that it would not arrive on the promised date. And now the ones they have listed, are $50 more with a 2-3 day shipping date. So it almost looks like they maybe are playing games with those that ordered it at the lower price, so I just canceled the order. From everything I have seen here so far, it's just not a good enough player to pursue it any further.

My father's brother's son VIDEO has it, if you know the place I speak of.

I got mine hooked up to my Samsung HLP5063 and it looks awesome. I'm very happy with it... I think it's much nicer the Samsung HD841 I returned.

No Worries

Originally posted by akdude47
My father's brother's son VIDEO has it, if you know the place I speak of.

I'm past caring about it anymore.

I just hooked up my 318 (March 04 build date) and used the component inputs on my Panny Tau series TV, problem is....no video. I am pulling out my hair trying to figure out why I only have video using the S-video connection. I hooked the component cables directly from the 318 to the comp inputs on my tv with no results. Any ideas??

I got my 318 from wholesaleconnection.com $179 included shipping. Got the unit within 2 days amazing service...and the dvd player is brand new....I am very happy with it. It's dated Oct 04' but no problem because of the KOEHI component file. The picture is awesome eventhough I have to recalibrate it with AVIA because the pictures looks so bright. I am planning on purchasing more superbits dvds because it looks amazing with this player's 1080i upconversion over component....oh and finally I can play my MP3 on DVD files with this player, I had a tosh4800 b4 but couldn't play the dvd mp3s...so far so good with my 318 player....

Greetings

Faulty component cables ... maybe plugged in wrong ... defective unit ... check these possibilities.

Regards

Originally posted by 87buickgn
I just hooked up my 318 (March 04 build date) and used the component inputs on my Panny Tau series TV, problem is....no video. I am pulling out my hair trying to figure out why I only have video using the S-video connection. I hooked the component cables directly from the 318 to the comp inputs on my tv with no results. Any ideas??


Is your Panasonic TAU TV an HD or ED capable TV? If not, that would account for no video over component as the Zenith DVD player will only pass 480P/720P/1080i over component. In fact the only way to get 480i is by way of S-video or composite.

Originally posted by consumertalks
I called Amazon yesterday, and they're sending it next day. I missed the cutoff yesterday, so Friday to Monday is one day- and the scheduled pickup of the old unit isn't until Wednesday!! That's pretty good service, but I don't know where you ordered from.

FedEx just dropped it off. Dec 2003 (!!) build date, batteries in remote, clearly a used unit, box was resealed at least four times, and they covered up the previous shipping label to KHANH TRAN in Huntington Beach, CA with a piece of paper. :mad:

I was told they're still out of stock, and she'll talk to someone higher up about "what they can do" for me, being it's the second unit sent. I'm just curious why they would ship an obviously used unit overnight, they should know there isn't anyone who would keep it! I guess they have the money to burn..

:(

Now I'm really glad I canceled the order from Amazon right away, after they told me that it would be a delayed ship & with no known ship date. Seeing as how it looks they are sending out used, open box or refurbs to some people.
I'm just gonna go to my friendly local Yamaha dealer that gives me very good prices, and work out a good deal for the new DVD-S2500 for when it comes out.

Well I called Zenith's customer support hotline and they said that the DVB-318 id on their "swapout" list which means they are sending a call tag for me to return the unit. I actually went out and bought a new Sharp Aquos lcd tv to make sure it wasn't just my set, and sadly it was the DVD player:(
I am a bit confused about one thing, will all these DVD players upconvert through the component outs? I know for a while people were saying the newer ones do not. Any ideas? BTW, my Panasonic tv is an HD.

Originally posted by boorapper
I got my 318 from wholesaleconnection.com $179 included shipping. Got the unit within 2 days amazing service...and the dvd player is brand new....I am very happy with it. ....

I just received an open box from them that had been resealed and the accessory bag inside clearly opened. The shipping was indeed fast and the folks sounded nice. They apologized and claimed it is not their policy to ship open box units. They have sent me an RMA, but I have to pay for the return shipping. Beware of that when ordering from them or anyone else, for that matter.

Chris.

Originally posted by Chris Gerhard
Chris, since you have a Zenith direct view and a Zenith DVD player, you might inquire with Zenith regarding your interlaced flicker problem.
Chris
Thanks. I sent an email to Zenith CS on the problem and received the following reply:

"Thank you for inquiring of LG Electronics. The DVB318 will upconvert on component for non-copyprotected DVDs only, otherwise it will only do 1080i properly through the DVI connection. Since your C34W23 does not have a DVI input, 1080i will not be compatible between these two units. Please feel free to contact us with any additional questions or concerns. Thank you again for contacting LG Electronics."

They clearly didn't understand the problem. The flicker is noticeable on the startup screen, which is displayed correctly on all 1080i component input TVs, irrespective of the DVD that will be played afterwards. But I doubt if it will be fruitful to pursue this exchange with them further.
Chris.

Originally posted by 87buickgn
Well I called Zenith's customer support hotline and they said that the DVB-318 id on their "swapout" list which means they are sending a call tag for me to return the unit. I actually went out and bought a new Sharp Aquos lcd tv to make sure it wasn't just my set, and sadly it was the DVD player:(
I am a bit confused about one thing, will all these DVD players upconvert through the component outs? I know for a while people were saying the newer ones do not. Any ideas? BTW, my Panasonic tv is an HD.

Yes the DVB318 will upconvert over component video. The newer firmware should only upconvert non protected DVDs over component but some here are claiming upconversion over component with all DVDs even with the new firmware. If you get one that won't upconvert over component, it can be downgraded to the older firmware that will permit component upconversion. Instructions and links to a site with the older firmware is disclosed earlier in this thread.

Chris

Rather than clog this thread up with my own Amazon story, I've created a new thread. I've been offered three options by Amazon regarding them shipping two of these units used, outlined in the thread below:

Any advice (quick!) is greatly appreciated, I have a very small window this morning to make my decision. Thanks! :)

Link to exchange help thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=485109)

*edit- I have Yahoo! IM under consumertalks

I recently got the DVB318 for 1080i over component. Mine came with Oct04 firmware but I had to go with the Dec03 to get 1080i over component to work with all DVDs. I haven't done a ton of tests yet, but the picture seems very nice.

The only problem I've noticed is that the picture seems off-center (both vertical and horizontal). I wasn't able to find any "screen" adjustment settings on the player itself.

For example, for movies that aren't exactly 1.85:1 ratio, the letterboxing is not vertically centered, there's a smaller black strip at the top and a larger one at the bottom.

When the THX logo plays, it's slightly off to the left...enough that's it's noticeable.

I have a Pioneer Elite PRO510HD TV ...I don't think it has a screen position option. Is this the same problem that other people have mentioned regarding cropping?

Thanks for any info...I really want to keep this player but I'd like to figure this problem out.
-Brian

I have a similar question to that of goblehipcom.

I love my dvb-318, and have it playing on a Hitachi 51s715 CRT RPTV. The only problem is that I have a coulple of white "blobs" on the top center of the screen. They are pretty apparatent during dark scenes, and occur both during 16:9 films (in dark scenes) and constantly in 2.35:1 films (but are only really apparent during dark scenes).

It seems like there is a bit of "white" being displayed at the top of the picture which causes a sort of white "bleeding" to occur in two or three spots at the top center of the tv, extending about 1-2 inches downward.

I do not have a problem with digital cable at all, so I think it is the fault of the dvb-318. Is there any way to adjust the verticle centering of the dvb-318. I think if i could move it up a 1/4 inch or so it would take care of the problem. I don't want to mess with my tv's veritcal centereing, since it seems fine for all tv and my xbox.

Also, I have noticed this problem when using two separate component inputs, supporting my idea that it is not my tv's fault.

any suggestions?

I recently made a DVD-R label but have not applied it to the DVD. I was wondering if anyone has had any issues with them in the Zenith. I tried to search in this thread but only found one person who said it weighs down the DVD thus may cause skipping/freezing during playback "so don't use them".

Anyone tried this yet?

The white blocks at the top of the picture have been documented before. Apparently they appear when switching resolution settings.

A commonly mentioned solution is to unplug the DVB-318 for a few minutes then plug it in again. This reset procedure typically removes the white blocks.

Some people have had success just by powering the unit off after the white blocks appear and back on again. This usually only has to be done once per resolution change.

Since I leave my DVB-318 on 1080i all the time, I have been fortunate to avoid the white blocks.

thanks wblynch,

do you mean unplug the power to the dvb-318, or unplug the component cables?


Thanks for your help

Power

Quick one. I got my player 2 days ago. Burned old firmware as directed and it seems to upconvert to 1080 fine, however not on all DVD's. For example, I "uh hem" have The Incredibles screener. It upconverts to 1080 beautifully, however the Matrix doesnt. Now LOTR return of the King seems to upconvert, but when I play older DVD's some dont. Arent they all supposed to upconvert? Or do some not? I just want ot make sure that I didn;t do anything wrong when I flashed it. When I flashed it it did seem to take a few min. Is that correct? Anyways, any feedback would be great. Thanks.


Dave

I have the old firmware, I think it is Feb. build. I am having problems viewing DVD+R disks. I am using Ritek disks and they play fine on other DVD players I have. The disks play fine always until about the end or 3/4s of the way in the movie, then skipping and audio cutout occurs.

Anyone else have issues with playing DVD+R discs on the Zenith player?

Greetings

It's more the media ... as in this particular batch that you have. I have plenty of +R media that playes just fine on the LG/zenith.

Sometimes the burn speed of the DVD also affects the playback. discs burned at 2.4X sometimes play more reliably that those at 4X or 8X ...

The Zenith seems to be more sensitive to this ... as other players like pioneer and Sony units play right through where the Zenith would stutter ...

Regards

I just received my dvb318 and tested it on three different projectors, barco G10, DPI 28sx and sanyo xf45 using dvi. With the dvi, it seemed like I was losing sync on all three projectors, changed dvi cable, same. I was seeing the picture, star wars episode II, and then snowflakes, back and forth.

Using component on these units, they saw the 1080i file so my player has the old firmware.

Just wanted to know if anyone else was having problems with the dvi portion of their players.

Originally posted by AJ13
Just wanted to know if anyone else was having problems with the dvi portion of their players.

I am using DVI exclusively with my Panasonic PT-L500U LCD projector and don't see anything any different than component when I tried it. The new firmware does address some DVI picture issues but I have never heard of anything as drastic as your problems.

Chris

just a note, not related to the post above. i have noticed voice/video sync issues with dirty disc. clean the disc and the voice/video sync issue is gone.

Greetings

Some TV's and or DVD players do not handle the HDCP handshake very well via DVI. This happens occasionally and I have seen it do the same thing with a Sanyo Z2, and through a Lumagenscaling box.

Regards

Michael,

If the firmware is flashed to use HD with component, what happens to the dvi end? Doesn't it become standard ntsc dvi?

I was able to toggle thru the HD settings using dvi which didn't make sense to me cause I thought the flash would disable the HD portion thru dvi. If it doesn't then it makes sense because its still using some sort of handshaking and the dvi isn't able to support the high bandwidth.

Am I on the right track with this?

Also, the projectors I used are the high end units used in movie theaters, concert, etc etc. The DPI 28sx does HD though its compressed cause the native resolution on it is 1280x1024, but the file it picked was the 1080i file.

Greetings

The DVI part gets white crush but should still have the HDCP hand shake ... and it is still full 1080 or what ever you want it to be.

The problem with the handshaking thing is that I can't be sure whose fault it is?

Regards

Excuse me if this question were already asked but that is very difficult for me to read all the subject since I am French.

I have a LG DV7832NXC with firmware of DVB318 to correct the white crush which is connected to a projector BenQ PE8700+ in DVI.

Is this normal that when I use the upscaling 720p or 1080i that the picture does not fill entirely the screen in the direction of the width? There is always a black bar has right side of the screen... if not how to make for fix it?

And in 1080i mode, I have always a many little white bar on the top of the screen...

Thank you in advance !

fafrom,

I have the exact same setup as you. I believe it is normal to have some pixel cropping at 720p but I don't see any at 1080i. Also, I do not see the white bar at the top. I run the 7832 via DVI to the 8700+ at 1080i resolution with no visible cropping and no white bar.

720p, now that is another issue with its own problems.

I get pixel cropping on the right side at 1080i. I use my DVB318 at 1080i with a Panasonic 720p LCD projector. When I switch from D-VHS using component to DVB318 using DVI, I always have to adjust the projector using the zoom and shift the picture to the right. In addition to the cropping, the DVB318 picture is off-center to the left when compared to my other sources. I can prove the picture is cropped by playing a D-VHS tape of the same DVD and switch back and forth. The cropping is very minor.

Chris

It's exactly the same thing for me...

And I am not able to remove the small bars white top of the screen in 1080i...

Greetings

The white dotted lines are at the top middle of the non picture area. The DVI section has it, the component video output does not show this.

The top/bottom blanking on BenQ projectors varies a bit from unit to unit. Units from earlier in 2004 tended to show dots while after mid year ... the dots were gone.

I feed the 1080i into the lumagen vision hdp processor and output at 720p and the benQ still gives me the black strip on the right side ...

I then use the remapping feature of the Lumagen to make the 720p image fit the screen. I think the issue is with the benQ rather than the zenith.

Regards

Originally posted by Michael TLV
The white dotted lines are at the top middle of the non picture area. The DVI section has it, the component video output does not show this.
More data for the fire: I use the component connection from the 318 to the Infocus SP4805 at 1080i. Initially it looks perfect but if I cycle through the aspect ratios on the projector, I do end up with the white dotted lines at the top middle of the non picture area. If I then hit the auto image button to re-synch, the dotted lines go away again. So it's not strictly a DVI problem, even though a re-synch will get rid of it when using component.

I just hooked up my second 318, and I have video out of the component outs, I have a question though. When I put in a movie (Finding Nemo) and press the "upconversion" button I can't tell any difference. Does this only work on some movies? If so what are some good ones to try? By the way this one is an Oct 04 build date.

Originally posted by 87buickgn
I just hooked up my second 318, and I have video out of the component outs, I have a question though. When I put in a movie (Finding Nemo) and press the "upconversion" button I can't tell any difference. Does this only work on some movies? If so what are some good ones to try? By the way this one is an Oct 04 build date.
Try it w/o a DVD in and watch the display on the front of the unit. Then put the DVD in and compare. ;)

Originally posted by consumertalks
Try it w/o a DVD in and watch the display on the front of the unit. Then put the DVD in and compare. ;)

Ahhh, thank you my friend!:D

I just bought the Canadian LG 7832 version and build date is July 2004. I was wondering if I need to flash the firmware to allow 1080i via component outputs? It allows me to set it to 1080i from the front button. I just wonder if it is actually outputting at 1080i or not.

Cheers,
Chevy

All,
You might want to check this DVD player out. It does component upconvert, plus much much ($50) more.

FAQ:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=4843048

Main Thread:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=459759

Adam

Originally posted by chevy2410
I just bought the Canadian LG 7832 version and build date is July 2004. I was wondering if I need to flash the firmware to allow 1080i via component outputs? It allows me to set it to 1080i from the front button. I just wonder if it is actually outputting at 1080i or not.

Cheers,
Chevy

Check out the 1st post on page #1 of this thread. All the answers are there. You could follow the menu procedure to check your firmware version number to be sure.

Of the numbers shown on the first thread, which one reflects the version of firmware you have. Is it the 1.90 or 1.92?
Thanks

Check out the 1st post on page #1 of this thread. All the answers are there. You could follow the menu procedure to check your firmware version number to be sure.


Hey a lot Neild. I will give it a shot.

Cheers,
Chevy :D

Ok, this want my system info screen says:

MODEL: LV700I1
REGION NO.: 1
CHIP I.D.: STM5589 cut2.1

SERVO VER. 005D
GUI VER. V1.71D
PANEL VER. V2.04
MICOM VER. V1.91B
PROM OPTION 43 41 00 47 16 55 70 00
00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00

Thanks,
Chevy

Anyone know if there is a limitation on the number of titles this player can handle on a single disk?

I burnt a DVD+R containing an assortment of video clips. The total number of titles within the disk was 51. The disk plays fine up till the 48th title, then skips forward to the last 51st title (does not play titles #49, 50)
If I manually select the 49th or 50th title to play via the program menu, it plays that title, then freezes up the player on the final frame of the title. It won't respond to the remote or any of the front panel control buttons. Have to unplug the player to reset it.
I thought it was a problem with one of the titles after the 48th one, so I rearranged the order, burnt it again, but got the same results. Only when I reduced the number of clips to 49 did it play normally.
The original 51 title disk plays fine on my PC.

I am a 318 owner for a few months now. I am using upconversion to 1080i via component. On most DVDs with dark scenes the screen kind of flickers. What is this problem and is there a fix, from firmware or anything else?

What TV set are you running? Lots of sets have different video settings that control how the brightness darkness area. It could be something like the SVM. Weaker sets won't respond well to rapid changes in brightness.

Plasma sets have an inherent design issue that they lets them only pull a certain maximum voltage out of their power supply. As a result, if the screen goes too bright over too large an area of pixels, the overall brightness goes down to protect the power supply. The reverse can happen when the scene is dark, the plasma's circuitry will sense only a small amount of pixels are in use and the brightness of of the screen will increase.

Also I've seen this effect when high resolution signal is run over a marginal cable or through a receiver that degrades the signal just enough to cause picture problems when scenes go light/dark or switch.

I have a question I have a panasonic 47" HDTV I am really torn on what dvd player to get I read about how this plays SVCDS but how exactly do you do that?
If you could be so kind also does the newer 418 model upconvert via component or do I have to really look for a 318 model??
Thanks a ton

So what's the consensus as far as DVD+R support with this player? I find it odd that the specs show it supports DVD-R/-RW and DVD+RW, what about DVD+R? Also, any known problems with dual layer media?

Originally posted by dpoverlord
If you could be so kind also does the newer 418 model upconvert via component or do I have to really look for a 318 model??
Thanks a ton

No, the DVB418 does not upconvert over component.

Chris

Also, it seems the specs only list 1080i and not 720p. I'm assuming 720p is possible, just like 1080i over component, as long as you have the right firmware?

Originally posted by dustin999
Also, it seems the specs only list 1080i and not 720p. I'm assuming 720p is possible, just like 1080i over component, as long as you have the right firmware?

Yes the DVB318 will upconvert to 720p. The 720p picture quality is so bad, I never use it. Only 1080i is acceptable. The DVB418 will also upscale to 720p but I don't know if it is any better in that regard than the DVB318.

Chris

so if all we have now is component cables this model wont work now eh? I am really trying to find the best dvd player to connect via component to my onkyo 6.1 reciever to my tv. maybe the Neu Neu, poo, or one of the other players are a better choice. What do you guys think? SVCD playback is essential too. I just wish there was someplace I could actually test these players out.

Do you live Canada? If so Futureshop has the Canadian version called LG 7832NXC. I bought one on boxing day and it seems to be a very decent player for the price. I've been using it via component cables at 1080i and PQ is awesome. I haven't tried DVI yet. As for media I've tried dvd+RW, -RW and -R. I have yet to try +R. So far they all played fine. As for audio, I have yet to test it. If you are looking for a hold over player until HD-DVD is out I think this player may do the job for now.

Just a side note, if you get a player that has a build date of late 2004 you may need to do a firmware upgrade to be able to do 1080i over component cables. I'm not really sure what firmware you need. Perhaps some can post what firmware you should have to do 1080i.


Cheers,
Chevy:D

I bought this at Visions on Boxing Day. They met Future Shops Price of 199.99 and then gave me even more off. Final Price was 190.00 CAD plus tax.

I did not even check the build date. But I wanted to use up conversion over component so I loaded the Original Firmware to restore full component video upconversion.

I used the Component Version from here.

http://www.keohi.com/keohihdtv/experttips/michaeltlv/lg_dv7832_firmware.html

And used the directions from the first post in this thread. Worked great.

I have not used it on component yet as my benq 6100 is not liking the cable I got off ebay for it. Benq is sending me a new projector.

I hooked up a toshiba, samsung, panasonic and the lg. All on s-video. I used the Chonicles of Ridduck DVD and the LG by far had the best picture.

How would you say this player compared to the momitsu??
Also do you know brought up to 1080i if the macrovision problem has been fixed??? I have over 120 dvds so that would be a problem if they won't play in 1080i wouldnt want have to resort to just plain progressive style 480. Hmm... anyone try SVCDS?

Originally posted by dpoverlord

How would you say this player compared to the momitsu??


I have both the Zenith 318 and the Momitsu V-880. The Momitsu has a superior picture to the Zenith.

The Momitsu is also non-HDCP over DVI which allows me to use it over DVI to my older plasma.

The Zenith has the autoplay feature that my wife enjoys.

Soon I will replace the dvd loader on my Momitsu as suggested by many owners and at that time I will remove the Zenith for good.

Although the Zenith is a fine player, the Momitsu is better and I am in opposition to LG/Zenith's behavior and treatment of the consumer.

I have downloaded lv700i1.bin for the compnent firmware on a CD-R. When loaded in the palyer I just get "No Disc" in the display.
What am I doing wrong?

The player will only read the name LGROMOUT.bin so you just have to rename it.

I did the same thing the first time. Just put the cd in and follow the on screen prompts. Takes only a couple minutes.

Thanks Kamloops,
Firmware change worked fine.

so you reccomend the momitsu over the Zenith, what do you have to do to the DVD loader???

Originally posted by wblynch
I have both the Zenith 318 and the Momitsu V-880. The Momitsu has a superior picture to the Zenith.


In what ways the Mom is better than Z 318?

Originally posted by ArtisTech
In what ways the Mom is better than Z 318?

Picture quality opinions like that are subjective. Based on his posts, my guess is the Momitsu is better because LG/Zenith is not to be found on the box anywhere. My opinion, the Zenith is likely better at 1080i through component and DVI while the Momitsu is likely better with every other option.

Chris

some people say the pq on the momitsue via component is not as good. I think I may go with the 318 the only thing is that, I am somewhat wary since I don't want to spend 200$ only to find out that I will have tons of problems in the future via component or drive failures. I really just want to be able to get this dvd player without any problems.

Well, I've been trying to get my December 03 build 318 to work on my new Sony KDF-60XS955 and can't seem to get it to work reliably (or at all now) via DVI.

Tried 3 different DVI to HDMI cables (2 from RAM (6 foot and a 40 footer for my Mac connection) and a 8 foot Monster cable).

I did get it to work once with the 40 footer at 480P. The next time I tried it, I tried upconverting to 720P and got snow (which seems strange on a digital connection).

After that I have been unable to get any video via DVI. The Zenith locks up at the Hello or shortly after spinning up the disc. Unplugging the player is the only thing that works to get the player functioing again.

The HDMI ports seem to work okay via my Mac and Radion 9000 board, but that's not HDCP, of course.

Any ideas?

Would the newer 318 firmare help? Any firmware updates for the sony? Culd my ne wTV have a bad board that is causing these issues?

Originally posted by JimWCB
Any ideas?

Would the newer 318 firmare help? Any firmware updates for the sony? Culd my ne wTV have a bad board that is causing these issues?

Tried

I would try the newer firmware which did address DVI problems although I don't think the DVB318 had HDCP issues. It would be helpful if you had another DVI display to try your DVB318 or another DVD player with DVI out to connect to your Sony monitor.

Chris

can someone tell me if the macrovision upconversion problem was ever fixed? Or if it will give me problems on any dvds?

I just bought the LG DV7832NXC for it's upcoverting to 1080i over component and have it hooked up to my infocus X1 projector. Since I bought a July 04 unit, I used the old firmware recommended at the beginning of this thread. Running a movie in either 1080i or 720p produces the following glitch, but I have no problems in 480p.

Here's what happens. 2 or 3 times during a movie my projector loses the video signal and goes into searching mode with the projector's blue screen and after 5 seconds re-establishes the picture (for example, in Finding Nemo, just as the divers catch Nemo and flash a picture) The audio never stops as the DVD keeps playing.

Again only happens when upconverting to either 720p or 1080i. Has anyone else had this problem? Is this macromedia that does this? Any fixes?

I have a Sanyo Z2 pj and the Zenith 318.

At 1080i, I notice a white dotted line at the top center of the picture when using DVI and when using component at 1080i I notice a white bar in the left hand corner. I currently have the new firmware.

Are there any fixes? It sure would be a bummer to not be able to use 1080i because of the white dots. I haven't tried the old firmware, because of the image cropping issue.

I think I will probably be returning this unit to Amazon, because of its poor compatability with my Z2.

BTW-Can any one recommend an upconverting DVD player that works well with a Z2?

Thanks.

Well, I purchased this model and it works pretty well.

Did the old-firmware flash, and now I have the following:

ZV700I1
stm 5589 cut2.1
Servo Ver. 005D
GUI Ver. 1.71D
Panel Ver. 2.04
Micom Ver. 1.92


Have only noticed a few things with it so far. Up Upconverts over the Component just fine - 720p for my Mits. It does have a few things that I have noticed so far;

Does not play Ice Age at all.

Does not upconvert Hellboy. Starts to, then just as the Menu hits - automatically drops back to 480p.


Upconverts everything else in my collection so far. I may burn Ice Age to another DVD format just to see if it can read it using DVD-R or DVD+R.

Any other movies that have been noticed as not upconverting?

Originally posted by fackert
Does not play Ice Age at all.

Does not upconvert Hellboy. Starts to, then just as the Menu hits - automatically drops back to 480p.


Upconverts everything else in my collection so far. I may burn Ice Age to another DVD format just to see if it can read it using DVD-R or DVD+R.

Any other movies that have been noticed as not upconverting?

My DVB318 upconverts both Ice Age and Hellboy to 1080i over DVI just fine. Those are two of the discs that look the best of all of mine.

Chris

I bought the LG DV7832NXC last week and was wondering if anyone has come across this problem.

The problem is I can't use the original remote to turn on or off the unit. I mean if you push the power button on it doesn't work. But if you push power button and the push the open\close button the unit then powers up and drawer opens. I also can't navigate menus or the setup menu of the player. I thought maybe batteries were bad, so tried some new ones the no avail. I even took my remote to the store and it wouldn't work on the store model either. We then tried the store models remote and it was doing the same thing as mine. What are the odds of that?

Is there something wrong with the remote or the player? I can use my Harmony 688 to control the player and all the functions without any problems. It's just that if I want to sell the unit down the road the remote won't work.

Please any ideas?

Chevy

Have LG/Zenith replace it with one that works. At a week old you have plenty of warranty, use it. I had the remote for my Sammy DLP go bad at about 6 months, called them and had a new one in about a week. You'll see whether or not the LG customer service is any good. Kind of odd that the ones in the store are doing the same thing, might be a bad production batch.

Originally posted by Michael_Saunders
I have a Sanyo Z2 pj and the Zenith 318.

At 1080i, I notice a white dotted line at the top center of the picture when using DVI and when using component at 1080i I notice a white bar in the left hand corner. I currently have the new firmware.



Sounds like the vertical position on your projector needs to be adjusted

Greetings

Chevy ... have you made sure the remote is set to DVD ...?

Afterall, it is a multifunction remote that controls other things too ... and if you accidentally hit those buttons ... you turn off the DVD functions.

Regards

What do you mean "set to DVD"? Is that in the settings?

Chevy

AHHHh!!! Crap!! Do I feel like an idiot!! I figured it out.


Chevy.

Originally posted by dpoverlord
can someone tell me if the macrovision upconversion problem was ever fixed? Or if it will give me problems on any dvds?

Do you mean macroblocking problem? As far as I know that problem is not fixed. Apparently Denon 2910 uses similar insides and they are coming up with a workaround. Hopefully LG/Zenith follows suit.

To me the macroblocking is terrible on plasma but very mild on RPTV.

Ok....so....

If I want a player that will....

Upscale to 720p over component
Region free
Not interfere with pioneer receiver (hehe unlike momitsu)
No macroblocking on component
Passes blacker than black
No White crush

Is the zenith what I am looking for?

I read some of the faq, but I thought someone who owns it could help me out. Thanks.

I received my dvb318 couple of days ago. It will not upconvert copy protected dvds over components at all. Does upconvert my backed up dvds to 720p and 1080i over components. Player has a October,04 build date.
Would a prior version of firmware fix this problem?

Originally posted by jazzy1986
I received my dvb318 couple of days ago. It will not upconvert copy protected dvds over components at all. Does upconvert my backed up dvds to 720p and 1080i over components. Player has a October,04 build date.
Would a prior version of firmware fix this problem?

Yes.

Chris

Originally posted by RockStrongo
Ok....so....

If I want a player that will....

Upscale to 720p over component
Region free
Not interfere with pioneer receiver (hehe unlike momitsu)
No macroblocking on component
Passes blacker than black
No White crush

Is the zenith what I am looking for?

I read some of the faq, but I thought someone who owns it could help me out. Thanks.

No. The 720p is terrible and macroblocking is a problem with most displays. There may be a hack for region free but I only have region 1 discs so I haven't paid any attention.

Chris

Originally posted by ArtisTech
In what ways the Mom is better than Z 318?

My Momitsu V-880 has a better picture at 480i, 480p, 720p and 1080i than my Zenith DVB-318.

These observations are for component connections to an NEC 42" HD plasma.

The Momitsu also allows for custom resolutions through the DVI port where I am able to match the native resolution of my plasma.

The DVI connection from the Momitsu at 1080i is actually lower quality than the Component connection at 1080i.

I am unable to compare the DVI output from the Zenith since my plasma is not HDCP compliant. I have read that the Zenith displays better over component than DVI.

Since my DVB-318 is an early unit, I can play all region 1 DVDs at 1080i without restriction.

Last weekend I had occasion to compare the PQ of the Zenith to the PQ of the Momitsu in front of 12 visitors and myself. Most all agreed that the Momitsu had a more beautiful picture. Some couldn't tell and one didn't care.

Updated the player with older firmware. upconverts copy protected dvds just fine. picture quality at 1080i is terrible through components on my pj. I don't know if this player deserves a thread 50 pages long.

Originally posted by jazzy1986
Updated the player with older firmware. upconverts copy protected dvds just fine. picture quality at 1080i is terrible through components on my pj. I don't know if this player deserves a thread 50 pages long.

Try a different DVD. In my opinion picture quality with most DVDs, but certainly not all, is very good at 1080i. I am using a Panasonic PT-L500U 720p LCD projector. Recent DVDs that looked good were Elf, Touching the Void and Hellboy. Are you sure you have it set to 1080i? Picture quality at 480p and 720p is sub-par.

Chris

Yes, I use the upconversion button on the player to set it to 1080i. Then the pj plv60 syncs at 1080i-60hz. DVDs I tried are Shrek, Finding Nemo, Matrix, LOTR, Lara Croft Tom Raider, etc. I guess the player will be ok as backup player. I will continue to keep my htpc around.

The DVB-318 is famously bright and I have read that the PLV60 has blooming problems with bright signals.

You may need to recalibrate your projector to the 318 for a more satisfying picture.

Also the 318 is known to have white crush problems over DVI which would exascerbate the problems with this combination. Is it possible to try the component connections?

Overall, there are thousands of happy 318 owners, thus the thread traffic. But there are some who report no improvement in PQ by going to an upscaling player.

Originally posted by jazzy1986
Yes, I use the upconversion button on the player to set it to 1080i. Then the pj plv60 syncs at 1080i-60hz. DVDs I tried are Shrek, Finding Nemo, Matrix, LOTR, Lara Croft Tom Raider, etc. I guess the player will be ok as backup player. I will continue to keep my htpc around.

Not surprising that you'd feel letdown after using an HTPC setup. You trade certain conveniences for some great performance with HTPC.

But, all in alll, this Zenith player has been the closest thing still to a giant killer. Incredible value for the dollar.

Originally posted by Q of BanditZ
Not surprising that you'd feel letdown after using an HTPC setup. You trade certain conveniences for some great performance with HTPC.

But, all in alll, this Zenith player has been the closest thing still to a giant killer. Incredible value for the dollar.
This player is definitely cheap compared to others. Man, the PQ from htpc over RGBHV to plv60 can't be beat. I bought the player so that the kids can watch movies without turning on the htpc. But hey, this is my only dvd player, some people have upto 21 of them.

Originally posted by jazzy1986
...some people have upto 21 of them.

http://www.wackyweaselworld.com/flameINC/images/w10.jpg

:p

Hmmm... But HTPC can't upconvert can it?? I would assume it wouldnt be as clear as an upconverting DVD player. Correct me if I am far and away wrong. I looked @ HTPC but other than them being more convenient, they are 1. lots of more money, 2. higher learning curve(which -=- more fun), 3. you need DVI, no component,... hmm..

Originally posted by dpoverlord
Hmmm... But HTPC can't upconvert can it?? I would assume it wouldnt be as clear as an upconverting DVD player. Correct me if I am far and away wrong. I've never played with HTPC, but I would think a 1:1 pixel mapping setup would be a better picture than upconverting. Others on this forum that have done it said the 1:1 picture is the best but it also shows flaws in the DVD more, so there's that.

My feeling is that if you don't go 1:1 pixel mapping HTPC for whatever reason (convenience, cost, non-geek, whatever), then an upconverting player looks pretty darn good.

Originally posted by RockStrongo
Ok....so....

If I want a player that will....

Upscale to 720p over component
Region free
Not interfere with pioneer receiver (hehe unlike momitsu)
No macroblocking on component
Passes blacker than black
No White crush

Is the zenith what I am looking for?

I read some of the faq, but I thought someone who owns it could help me out. Thanks.

Hey, I thought I saw you post over at the Panasonic S97 thread. If I remember correctly, you have the same TV as I do, the HLP5063?

1) The 318 actually looks quite terrible at 720p. The ONLY output to use with this player, whether component or DVI is 1080i.

2) The DVD player can be made region free, but you need to create a CD to do so. The hack is a listed over at videohelp.com and probably even in this thread somewhere.

3) Don't have the receiver so, can't comment on that.

4) Unfortunately, the macroblocking is visible on both component and DVI, maybe a little worse than the S97. I think the problem is with the Faroudja chip.

5) It passes blacker than black on both DVI and component.

6) No white crush on component, but it's there on the DVI with certain firmware. Sounds like you're going to use component, so not a problem.

If you are using 1080i over component, you just need to make sure to get one of the firmwares that support upconversion over component.

Keep us posted if you decided to get the 318. Since you have the same TV as I (I think) I'd like to hear how it works out for you. I'm pretty happy with mine, except for the macroblocking, especially for the price. It wasn't the macroblocking on the S97 that turned me off, but I just couldn't get it to look as good on my TV as the 318.

I've really enjoyed my 318, but I've had one problem.

On bright flashes in a movie, I'll often lose my picture altogether for a few moments.

For context, I've got it hooked up to an Infocus 7200.

Any thoughts on why this is?

Chairmantao--so you're running the 318 upconverting to 1080i out over component to your Sammy HLP5063--which as everyone knows has a native resolution of 720p--and to your eyes that was better than 318 720p DVI, 318 720p component, 318 1080i DVI w/ new firmware and anything you could get via the S97 hooked up to your 5063?

Did you use something like DVE to help calibrate your 5063-or just to help quantify the blacker than black setting--and would you be willing to share something more in-depth in terms of settings, picture mode, tweaks and how you adjusted for the "1080i DVB318 via component to 5063" path? I've been fine tuning with DVE, and making comparisons against, this same connection for a couple of weeks, though to a Sammy 4663. Anyone else going this way or another way with the 318 and xx63 series?

I watch a lot of dvds from different regions and burn to different media formats with an external LaCie NEC drive. As has been mentioned by many others, the 318 plays everything I throw at it, the region-free hack and both firmwares work, with a Mac and OS 10.3 it's foolproof to download these, drag and drop as is onto discs, allowing you to change back and forth if needed down the road, if you upgrade later or give this player to someone else. (Off-topic, but the last of the "relatively" inexpensive upscaling players I plan to test head to head against the 318 & 4663 is the new Sony, to try to see if there's anything to the green push/green depression potential synergy firsthand. I fear I may have to keep my older Toshiba 4900 region free player if the Sony 975-Sammy 4663 pairing proves better than the 318-4663 pairing, which I would be willing to do. The 4900 was a region-free champ. I don't believe there is a region-free hack yet for the 975.)

RockStrongo--did I read you're getting the best results to your Sammy DLP with the Panny S97 via 480p component out?

I tried to hook up my second DVB-318 to a Mit 55413 last night using DVI and ran into the same 'frozen' problem others have described.

What I want to know is if anybody successfully connected this player to a mit rptv using DVI without constantly performing the unplugging trick.

Originally posted by Munkeung
I tried to hook up my second DVB-318 to a Mit 55413 last night using DVI and ran into the same 'frozen' problem others have described.

What I want to know is if anybody successfully connected this player to a mit rptv using DVI without constantly performing the unplugging trick.

This also happened to me on my 65413.

Originally posted by chefklc
Chairmantao--so you're running the 318 upconverting to 1080i out over component to your Sammy HLP5063--which as everyone knows has a native resolution of 720p--and to your eyes that was better than 318 720p DVI, 318 720p component, 318 1080i DVI w/ new firmware and anything you could get via the S97 hooked up to your 5063?

Did you use something like DVE to help calibrate your 5063-or just to help quantify the blacker than black setting--and would you be willing to share something more in-depth in terms of settings, picture mode, tweaks and how you adjusted for the "1080i DVB318 via component to 5063" path? I've been fine tuning with DVE, and making comparisons against, this same connection for a couple of weeks, though to a Sammy 4663. Anyone else going this way or another way with the 318 and xx63 series?

chefklc,

One would think that it would be better to output 720p to the HLP since it's 720p native. BUT, running 480p or 720p over EITHER component or DVI produces very noticable artifacts. You can tell on the Zenith's titlescreen before you even insert a DVD. If you look at the text, you can see artifacts up and down the letters. Well at least I saw it and so did the guy who pointed them out to me.

So, I've found that running 1080i over DVI to my HLP gives me the best picture quality. It looks sharper and brighter than 1080i over component. I am currently using the firmware that came with the Dec 03 build. I haven't noticed the white crush enough to be bothered by it, even using DVE, so I've decided to put off updating the firmware. If it ever becomes apparent to me, I'll do it.

As for the S97, my problem with it was macroblocking worse than the 318. I tested it using 720p and 1080i over HDMI.

I used DVE to calibrate my settings. As for what my settings are, I'd be happy to share them, but it will have to wait until sometime next week before I get a chance to.

You confirmed what I'd observed as well--I think 318 1080i over DVI to the xx63 is better than 318 1080i over component to the xx63. Every now and then there's an audio sync issue, I suspect because of the extra processing delay, but that doesn't happen too often. Problem for me is I have an LG 3410A (with a JVC DVHS via firewire) performing amazingly well with HD through my Sammy DVI, so I'm still going component with the dvd and hoping I happen upon a better sub-$300 hdmi alternative. Next week is fine, if we're here we're in it for the long haul.

I've not yet had time to try the 318 via DVI-to-HDMI of the 4663. Maybe this weekend. Thank you again.

I just received my DVB318 today from a place up in Rochester NY savinglots.com for $172/$192 with shipping. I first tried to switch to 1080 with the firmware that came with it (startup icon was Zenith) but the picture was distorted so I put in the LG firmware that was posted in this thread, the startup icon is now LG, and I'm getting the same results. Is there something else I need to do to make this work?


My TV supports 480i/480p/1080i

Thanks in advanced

you'll probably have to be more specific--for starters, are the LG/Zenith screens themselves distorted or only when you try to play a dvd? are you hooked up via component or dvi? which model tv are you hooked up to? did you try playing a dvd right out of the box before attempting to upconvert or change firmware?

Shaneotool,

Thanks for the response. I wonder if this is a mit 55413/65413 problem or the DVB318 has a problem, or both.

I was trying to compare a Denon 2800 MKII 's 480p component feed to the Zenith's 1080i and really could not find a big difference in the mit 55413.