oops. thanks for the correction. i should have stated that i didn't know for sure if that would work or not. just tryin to help him out since no-one was replying.

Thanks guys. I've tried option 1, but the PQ is not as good as I thought it would be. I'm gonna get the DVB318 and see how much better that is unless the new Oppo unit comes out quick. This isn't the DV971 that people are raving about here, is it? What I've read is that that model won't opconvert via component.

No, it's NOT the current model. The new Oppo SHOULD be out very soon. It was supposed to already be on the street, but was delayed. No guarantee exactly when it will be out though.

Okay. I think I found a thread about it, the 970H. It sounds like it will most likely not come to market with upconversion over component, but will have to be hacked to do that, just as the DVB318. Also, apparently it will not be using a Faroudja chip for progressive, unlike the 971H and the DVB318.

get the DVB 318 and be done with it....... what you're wanting to do with this player is what it's best at doing.

The Zenith is hard to beat when used @1080i over component outputs.

For 150 bucks...... you cant go wrong. The hack takes all of 5 minutes(counting download and cd burning time) and can be reversed if needed. :D

Then it's settled. Thanks!

not to confuse you more, you might consider the 418. hack the firmware (531 from lg canada) , turn off macrovision and you're good to go on upconversion via component. it also has hdmi that also upconverts. I have the 318 and I can't tell the difference between the two. It can be had for about $80 shipped.

Best,
jeff.

Dang it!! And they just shipped out my DVB318, too! I contacted the store, and they said I can refuse the shipment, but they charge a 15% restocking fee. Since the only place I could find online that carries them had it for $180, that's a chunk of change.

But I found the thread that talks about the DVB418 and was VERY interested. I found the unit on ebay as a refurb for $80 and bought it. Even with the restock charge for the 318, I will save about $75 and have a better unit.

I guess that's what I get for making an impulse buy on the 318...

It's funny, I got the DVB318 a while ago because it could scale over component. Now I have a VP30 and I'm trying to figure out how to get it to NOT scale and just dump out 408i so the VP30 can do the scaling. If I can't do it I guess it time for another new piece of gear. That said, the DVB318 has been a great player but a bit slow to start. One of the few players than can output upscaled over component. (once you down rev the s/w).

Use the scaling button on the front of the player to switch the output format to 480i. I don't recall the actual label that's on the button, but it should be reasonably obvious.

The Upconvert button switches from 480p, 720p, 1080i on my unit. Perhaps I should reload the original s/w. :)

I updated the firmware on zenith dvb318. Now the problem is the picture being displayed does not fit on the screen when it is upconverting. It works in 480p but not 720p or 1080i. I am not sure what to do, any suggestions.

Thanks in advance,

Marxxx

Guys... help me please!

I should have left it alone. I use DVI on my 318 to go to me AE900 projector, which is HDMI. It worked flawless always. I listened to what everyone was saying about fireware fixes for the whitecrush issue and did it. Now my DVD player just freezes as soon as I connect my DVI cable to it. Son of a monkey!

Does anyone have the ORIGINAL factory fireware somewhere? Thanks!

Guys... help me please!

I should have left it alone. I use DVI on my 318 to go to me AE900 projector, which is HDMI. It worked flawless always. I listened to what everyone was saying about fireware fixes for the whitecrush issue and did it. Now my DVD player just freezes as soon as I connect my DVI cable to it. Son of a monkey!

Does anyone have the ORIGINAL factory fireware somewhere? Thanks!

Are you saying you have installed the new firmware and DVI doesn't work? I have the DVB318 and Panasonic AE500 720p LCD projector and have used both new and old firmware with the player over DVI connection. The new firmware results in the best picture with that player and projector. If the answer is yes, you upgraded from old firmware to new firmware, meaning you still get the Zenith logo on start up, you can install the old firmware (LG) which will now result in the parent LG logo on startup. The link to the Keohi site with the firmware is contained in this thread. Your result of old firmware working well with DVI and new firmware not working well with DVI is not typical in my experience.

Chris

http://www.keohi.com/keohihdtv/experttips/michaeltlv/lg_dv7832_firmware.html

Guys... help me please!

I should have left it alone. I use DVI on my 318 to go to me AE900 projector, which is HDMI. It worked flawless always. I listened to what everyone was saying about fireware fixes for the whitecrush issue and did it. Now my DVD player just freezes as soon as I connect my DVI cable to it. Son of a monkey!

Does anyone have the ORIGINAL factory fireware somewhere? Thanks!

My understanding is that once flashed, component is the only option. Need to flash back. I flashed mine and use component. Tried once to use dvi- nothing but freeze up.

I tried both firmwares before posting. NEITHER of them work. Both freeze up when I connect my DVI to HDMI cable to the DVD player. As stated before, it used to always always work before the firmware. So neither of those firmwares are the original firmwares from factory(which is obvious). I need the original apparentluy. Thanks guys, keep it coming.

One of the 2 firmwares should work, period, If neither does, then it's one of 3 things. Player went bad, pj went bad, or some kind of setting in either the player or pj accidentally got changed or needs changing. I'd play around with all the settings and see if that's not it. There's omething weird going on and it's probably a simple explanation.

One of the 2 firmwares should work, period, If neither does, then it's one of 3 things. Player went bad, pj went bad, or some kind of setting in either the player or pj accidentally got changed or needs changing. I'd play around with all the settings and see if that's not it. There's omething weird going on and it's probably a simple explanation.


Before anything was touched, it worked flawless no matter what. Then I did the firmware for DVI, restarted the DVD player and it came back up fine without the DVI cable plugged in. As soon as I plug in the DVI cable, the DVD player freezes, nothing comes up on the screen. I loaded the Component firmware, does the exact same as above.

I did nothing else with either device before nor after the firmware change.

I watched 3 movies in the two days before changing the firmware, they are fine. I tried a crappy DVD player on the projector now, it works fine.

Settings inside the player could have reset themselves to default.

Settings inside the player could have reset themselves to default.


Where does that leave me? Thanks.


EDIT: I just hooked it up via component cable so I can atleast see what's going on. The splash screen came up as usual, but it displays in 4:3. Weird.... and stupid. (once the movie starts it goes back to 16:9) Still no DVI though.

Borrow or buy another cable to see if that is the problem. Borrow or buy another dvd player to see if that is the problem. Player and/or cable still under warrantee? Take 'em back for an exchange.

Wiggle the cable, HDMI is not so great a connector.

Where does that leave me? Thanks.


EDIT: I just hooked it up via component cable so I can atleast see what's going on. The splash screen came up as usual, but it displays in 4:3. Weird.... and stupid. (once the movie starts it goes back to 16:9) Still no DVI though.

With component connection, tell us the settings. This player with the new firmware that disables component upconversion for protected DVD's is very good at 1080i over DVI in my opinion but with the firmware that permits component upconversion is very poor over DVI.

Chris

With component connection, tell us the settings. This player with the new firmware that disables component upconversion for protected DVD's is very good at 1080i over DVI in my opinion but with the firmware that permits component upconversion is very poor over DVI.

Chris


I tried both ways and it doesnt' work over DVI for either. I invested enough into a great DVI/HDMI cable that I don't want to downgrade to an analog component cable. I know component is good, but I'm not looking to go that route.

Can someone help with a problem in upconversion over component?

I flashed using the old firmware to allow upconversion over component. When I push the upconvert button, the picture is so large it crops the right and bottom
edges off. It appears to be sending the picture to the projector this way (not a pj problem). I tried flashing to the new version again, and it to crops the picture on the splash screen. Of course when I try to upconvert over component it just sets it back to 480p.

Can anyone help with this problem?

Thanks in adavance,

Marxxx

not to confuse you more, you might consider the 418. hack the firmware (531 from lg canada) , turn off macrovision and you're good to go on upconversion via component. it also has hdmi that also upconverts. I have the 318 and I can't tell the difference between the two. It can be had for about $80 shipped.

Best,
jeff.

How do you turn off the macrovision? Also, do you use the same firmware used for the dvb318 (lv700i1.bin)?

zanspgn,
Go here:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=534154&page=7&pp=30&highlight=hack+component

about halfway down you'll see a post about where to get the firmware. you'll need to, I think when you get to the bulletin board, select a timeframe/date. then you'll see the firmware.

burn is as per the instructions on this page of the thread linked above.

use the hacks given in that thread. you should only need the macrovision one and maybe the hdcp one, depending on your display.

jeff

I tried both ways and it doesnt' work over DVI for either. I invested enough into a great DVI/HDMI cable that I don't want to downgrade to an analog component cable. I know component is good, but I'm not looking to go that route.

I am trying to determine what resolution and settings you are using. Could you be sending a 720p signal to a display that doesn't accept a 720p input? Are both component and DVI connected? Does s-video, composite and component work? Hard to speculate what might be happening if all we know is DVI doesn't work.

Chris

I am trying to determine what resolution and settings you are using. Could you be sending a 720p signal to a display that doesn't accept a 720p input? Are both component and DVI connected? Does s-video, composite and component work? Hard to speculate what might be happening if all we know is DVI doesn't work.

Chris


Guys, assume what you usually shouldn't, that I'm not an idiot. As stated before, I'm sending the signal to a new AE900 projector and have watched movies on it even the same day I did the fireware update, as soon as I did the update, it freezes upon connection of the DVI cable. As stated before, I don't use Component at all ever. And no, I don't use anything else either.

The only issue I have, is that the fireware made it so that the DVD player is now looking for the handshake from the otherside of the DVI cable. Since there is no other side of the DVI cable other than HDMI, it doesn't see it and it just freezes up.

So, what I need is the old factory firmware. Thanks.

Ragdoll,
You've already been given the link to to the firmware to flashback your player. Provided by johnnykretentiv in post #1765.

Neither of those are the original firmwares. Otherwise it'd be working, It's visually apparent also... Where it says Zenith on the splash screen, looks totally different from the original. I could mention that I have an Oct 2004 build DVD player.

Thanks for the comments guys, let me know if you think of anything else.

Neither of those are the original firmwares. Otherwise it'd be working, It's visually apparent also... Where it says Zenith on the splash screen, looks totally different from the original. I could mention that I have an Oct 2004 build DVD player.

Thanks for the comments guys, let me know if you think of anything else.

I have never seen the original Zenith firmware available online that permits upscaling over component. The only firmware versions I have seen are the original LG 7832 firmware and updated Zenith DVI fix firmware. As far as I know there is no difference in the original LG 7832 firmware and the Zenith original firmware other than intro logo. In any event either is terrible with DVI and unusable in my setup. The newer Zenith firmware works best for DVI whether with my Panasonic 720p LCD projector or XBR910 1080i CRT. If that firmware doesn't work for DVI for you, there is likely something other than firmware causing this despite how many times you insist it is the cause.

Chris

ragdoll -

This sounds like a problem previously reported last year in this thread. Check out post #1003.

Ron Jones

I have never seen the original Zenith firmware available online that permits upscaling over component. The only firmware versions I have seen are the original LG 7832 firmware and updated Zenith DVI fix firmware. As far as I know there is no difference in the original LG 7832 firmware and the Zenith original firmware other than intro logo. In any event either is terrible with DVI and unusable in my setup. The newer Zenith firmware works best for DVI whether with my Panasonic 720p LCD projector or XBR910 1080i CRT. If that firmware doesn't work for DVI for you, there is likely something other than firmware causing this despite how many times you insist it is the cause.

Chris


It's the DVI to HDMI cable that makes it freeze up. That is determined, but it didn't do that before the flash. I repeat, I understand why it's doing this, I just want the firmware. GD.

It's the DVI to HDMI cable that makes it freeze up. That is determined, but it didn't do that before the flash. I repeat, I understand why it's doing this, I just want the firmware. GD.

I don't know what firmware you want. If the DVB318 doesn't work at DVI>HDMI with the new firmware, I can't imagine you would want to use the DVB318 with your AE900U. Just about every HDMI and every other DVI DVD player will be better. This is not complicated and my recommendation simple, sell the DVB318 with firmware that permits component upscaling. If you think a good HDMI>DVI cable is important and you want to use the one you have, get a different player. The Oppo DV971H is one player and there are many others that beat the Zenith DVB318 over DVI.

Chris

not to confuse you more, you might consider the 418. hack the firmware (531 from lg canada) , turn off macrovision and you're good to go on upconversion via component. it also has hdmi that also upconverts. I have the 318 and I can't tell the difference between the two. It can be had for about $80 shipped.

Best,
jeff.

I agree the DVB418 at that price is a good player. I just got a refurbished DVB418, put it in place of my DVB318 and plan to use it since it is covered by warranty for a while. Picture at 1080i over component appears to be as good as the DVB318 and the DVB418 adds features and HDMI instead of DVI.

Chris

I agree the DVB418 at that price is a good player. I just got a refurbished DVB418, put it in place of my DVB318 and plan to use it since it is covered by warranty for a while. Picture at 1080i over component appears to be as good as the DVB318 and the DVB418 adds features and HDMI instead of DVI.

Chris

I'll second that. I'm VERY happy with the 418. Plays so many formats (including DivX and all it's variants, and mpeg-4, even through the card slot!) and can easily play discs that my other players choke on. Easy to hack, gorgeous 1080i via component. And much cheaper than the 318 as a refurb. I recommend!!

I'll second that. I'm VERY happy with the 418. Plays so many formats (including DivX and all it's variants, and mpeg-4, even through the card slot!) and can easily play discs that my other players choke on. Easy to hack, gorgeous 1080i via component. And much cheaper than the 318 as a refurb. I recommend!!

The only formats I use that it plays are DVD-V, DVD-A, and CD but that is nice to know in case I start to use some others. I have played with mine some more and in my opinion, the DVB418 beats the DVB318 at all resolutions except 1080i. With the DVB318, I have to change firmware to get DVB318 1080i over DVI to equal the DVB418 1080i over HDMI and then the component upscaling with protected DVD's isn't available. With the DVB418, 1080i works fine over both connections with the same firmware. I miss the DVB318 jog wheel on the remote, but nothing else. Unless I am missing something, my DVB318 is going on eBay. The DVB418 even looks better, very stylish. It is a real surprise. The old blanket recommendation for 1080i over component that I used to give the DVB318 ends now.

Chris

Chris,
You should get a good price for the 318 on ebay. last I looked, used ones were going in the $125-150 range (2-3 months ago).

jeff

Chris,
You should get a good price for the 318 on ebay. last I looked, used ones were going in the $125-150 range (2-3 months ago).

jeff

That's sweet. I paid around 160 for mine new at retail.

edit-Just checked and there'e an auction ending tomorrow. current high bid is $46.

That's sweet. I paid around 160 for mine new at retail.

edit-Just checked and there'e an auction ending tomorrow. current high bid is $46.

Current bids mean nothing for auctions ending tomorrow. I sell lots of things and the majority of bidding almost always occurs in the last hours, usually the last ten minutes.

Still, it might not be worth selling especially now since the DVB418 mostly makes it irrelevant at the same price as the DVB418. I sure couldn't recommend it now.

Chris

I just received my DVB418 from ebay. It was a refurbished unit but it works fine. I installed the firmware update available at the OnlyBestRated web site (It wasn't on LG Canada's site). You need to install the firmware into a folder named LG_DVD on the CD, and be sure to include all the subfolders in the zipped file. After installing the firmware I was able to watch DVD's on my TV at 1080i (I don't have a 480p input on my TV). I didn't need to perform the hacks to watch DVD's. The picture looks better at 1080i than at 480i, although you can see upconversion artifacts in black backgrounds. It was worth $80.

It is on the LG site (canada). you need to select a date that's old enough and then it'll show up.

You might not have tried a copy protected disc, is why you didn't need the macrovision off hack.

jeff

the 418's have been selling at $80 for awhile (4-6 months). the 318's still get a premium, go figure.

jeff

It is on the LG site (canada). you need to select a date that's old enough and then it'll show up.

You might not have tried a copy protected disc, is why you didn't need the macrovision off hack.

jeff

It was a copy protected dvd, but when I checked the video settings after installing the upgrade it said hdcp was off, macrovision was off, edid was off, and region code was 1. The same dvd didn't show up on my tv before performing the upgrade. Maybe the upgrade on onlybestrated's site turns off macrovision, hdcp, and edid automatically.

sounds reasonable...

jeff

Has anybody tried the hacks used with the DVB418 on a DVB318? I tried these two on a DVB318 with the old firmware:

HDCP off/on:
PAUSE,1,2,3,6,9
on screen: "OK H" or "Default H" (Status)
(2xPAUSE to leave)

Macrovision off/on:
Pause,7,4,1,5,3,6,9
on screen: "OK M" oder "Default M" (Status)
(2xPAUSE to leave)

They appear to work. If they work on a DVB318 with the new firmware, wouldn't it allow component upconversion without reversion to the old firmware? I don't have a player with the new firmware hooked up now, so I haven't checked it and have never seen any comments regarding these hacks.

Chris

I just got a new Samsung LCD 32" and wanted to hook up Zenith up via the HDMI input with an adapter and using the DVI output but have the freeze issues. Am I better off just selling the unit and getting an HDMI player? I don't plan to go back to component, but do love the Zenith player.

Is there a quick fix?

Try a different adapter (not Monster).

Chris,
If the macrovision off hack worked on the 318 with the new firmware, then you just need to test that it upconverts a copy protected dvd via component to see if it really worked.

jef

Sorry guys, it's been awhile. When the Zenith is hacked for component. It says LG on the main plare menu screen, yes? I am selling my Zenith and I don't recall if I switched back for DVI non-white crush issues. It currenetly says LG and I don't want to have it to hook it up to the PJ to check the component upconversion. Thanks!!! Dave

Got it, it says LG which is correct. Off to Ebay!

:)

Went through with the hack, works perfectly! (posted because I couldnt find the upconversion button haha... yeah I finally figured it out. Why the hell isnt there a setup menu option for this - who actually uses the buttons on the unit? :p )

Chris,
If the macrovision off hack worked on the 318 with the new firmware, then you just need to test that it upconverts a copy protected dvd via component to see if it really worked.

jef

I didn't have a DVB318 with new firmware connected to see if it worked. The player already upconverted protected DVD's, that is why I wanted someone with a DVB318 with new firmware to try the hack. Surely it doesn't work or we wouldn't still be discussing flashing the old firmware.

Chris

I have recently begun to backup my movie collection on dual layer dvds. I am removing all copy protection from the disk and doing an uncompressed backup.
My question is what, if any, difference this makes in relation to the following:
For example in 1080i mode if I play back the retail SWROTS disc I get horizontal lines and a darker picture.(don't know why) Would a backup of the same movie have the same problem.

And in general has the horizontal line/dark picture issue been common on this player? Thanks ahead of time for any feedback.

Oh and I am using component cables as I have no choice. NO HDMI

so uhh why is this still a sticky? I mean, i still have my DVB318, but it's not really an active discussion and it's not a player anyone can buy anymore (at least not new).

so uhh why is this still a sticky? I mean, i still have my DVB318, but it's not really an active discussion and it's not a player anyone can buy anymore (at least not new).

It says sticky on the title but it isn't a sticky any longer. Could be edited out by a moderator but it doesn't stay on the top of the screen anymore.

Chris

It says sticky on the title but it isn't a sticky any longer. Could be edited out by a moderator but it doesn't stay on the top of the screen anymore.

Chris
ahh, thanks for clarifying. it was still at the top of the list for me, so it looked like a sticky. must have been coincidence.

Ok guys I really didnt have the time to go thru every page of this thread so forgive me if this has already been adressed. I have used a sony remote with my 318 almost from the beginning. 2 yrs ago. Yesterday I wanted to go into the menu of player with original remote and its dead. Yes I changed the batteries...even took batteries out of an existing remote that I know are good. Still dead. The light for the IR doesnt illuminate. Just curious if anyone has had the same issue,and if there is a fix. Thanks :rolleyes:

Ok guys I really didnt have the time to go thru every page of this thread so forgive me if this has already been adressed. I have used a sony remote with my 318 almost from the beginning. 2 yrs ago. Yesterday I wanted to go into the menu of player with original remote and its dead. Yes I changed the batteries...even took batteries out of an existing remote that I know are good. Still dead. The light for the IR doesnt illuminate. Just curious if anyone has had the same issue,and if there is a fix. Thanks :rolleyes:

Are you certain you have enabled the DVD operation of the remote by hitting the DVD button?

Chris

Yes chris I have, in fact Ive hit every button on the remote...lol... I guess I should give LG a call

hey,

So ive had the 318 for just over a year now, i think its out of warranty.

I was using the LG firmware for the last year bc my PJ needed component inputs and i wanted 1080i.. worked fine. great actually.

well i sold the PJ and got a new TV, so i wanted to use DVI-HDMI now to see if it was good enough or if i should get a new player. I popped in the new firmware that fixes DVI white crush, it loaded the firmware, went thru the upload just fine. player turned off after update.

well then i plugged in the DVI cable, tv is on with the cable in it.. and hit the power button on the DVD player. NOTHING. just a green power light. no letters on the LCD even. the DVD player will not boot up at all and I get nothing on the screen.. just says "no signal". tried turning unit on with NO cables attached.. still nothing, will not boot up. tried with JUST components.. nothing. just svideo.. nothing.

any ideas?

crappy part is that i was going to sell it on ebay if i didnt like the PQ, but now I wont even get 100 back for it.

unplug it for about 10 minutes. reconnect component cables and try that. if that fails, doesn't boot for example, the players dead.

sounds like after the update it hasn't booted up once. is that correct?

jeff

correct, has not booted since the firmware. This is actually the original firmware that was supplied with the player as well. ill let it sit overnight

Anyone interested in an original 318 that upconverts over component - firmware has not been fooled around with. In flawless condition.

email me - bigdaddyp@bellsouth.net

Anyone interested in an original 318 that upconverts over component - firmware has not been fooled around with. In flawless condition.

This is not the place to post your stuff for sale. There is a marketplace forum on AVS where you can post your products for sale. You may want to remove your posting before you get booted from AVS for violating the rules. Not trying to play "hall monitor", just trying to help you out by giving you a heads up.

After 30 months, my remote died (selecting the DVD button did not bring it back up to life). I know that it's the same as the LG dv-7832, but did anyone try to purchase a replacement and where? Thanks in advance.

After 30 months, my remote died (selecting the DVD button did not bring it back up to life). I know that it's the same as the LG dv-7832, but did anyone try to purchase a replacement and where? Thanks in advance.
I believe you can get one through LG Parts @888-393-6484, but it will probably be a lot cheaper if you can find one on eBay.

After 30 months, my remote died (selecting the DVD button did not bring it back up to life). I know that it's the same as the LG dv-7832, but did anyone try to purchase a replacement and where? Thanks in advance.


http://www.partstore.com/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductSKU=2770031&s=sspro

http://www.dvdremotecontrols.com/Mfrs/Zenith/ZenithDVD/6711R2N071A.htm

Johnla,

Thanks. Much better than one dealer wanting $58 plus shipping.

Lenny

Also, did anyone replace it with universal remote such as URC 8910 (IR only; same as Zenith) or 9910 (IR and RF) with any success? I'm more interested in the zoom button in the original Zenith which is very useful in adjusting aspect ratio.

Greetings,
I moved the dvd player into a new room with the tv it has always been attached to. The player is upconverting via component cabels and has not been fooled around with in a long time. Recently it has booted up but will not play and DVD what so ever. It just stays on loading and nothing happens. Does anyone have any idea as to how I can go around fixing this? I do not watch many dvds but I love this dvd player and can not figure out what I did wrong or how to fix it. THis player does not see much play time so anything that I can come up with to fix this player would be great. Thanks!

dragonbud0,
with setup code 0741 or 0592, try advanced code 708, assuming you're not using JP1 ;-)

I replace the zenith remote with an 8811 and 8910.

this page lists all the advanced codes for teh player:
http://www.hifi-remote.com/cgi-bin2/ueic.cgi?DVD_0741

Best,
jeff

Greetings,
I moved the dvd player into a new room with the tv it has always been attached to. The player is upconverting via component cabels and has not been fooled around with in a long time. Recently it has booted up but will not play and DVD what so ever. It just stays on loading and nothing happens. Does anyone have any idea as to how I can go around fixing this? I do not watch many dvds but I love this dvd player and can not figure out what I did wrong or how to fix it. THis player does not see much play time so anything that I can come up with to fix this player would be great. Thanks!

I presume you have tried another DVD after both turning off and unplugging?

I presume you have tried another DVD after both turning off and unplugging?
Yes I tried another dvd with teh same problem. I was wondering if anyone had this problem and what I can do to fix it?

Jeff,

Thanks.

Lenny/dragonbud0

So I finally bought one of these players (LG 7832). I'm running it to my Pioneer 53" WS Rear projection. I've got it connected via component directly to the TV.

I've noticed in 1080i more (can't run 720p), that quite often there is red/green banding (thick lines) that run horizontally across the screen? Any idea what this is? I never saw this before on my DV-434.

TIA!

I haven't read the entire thread, so forgive me if we've covered this.

Has anyone else seen black crush issues with the 318 over component? I think that's my problem anyway. I have an original 318 that hasn't been flashed, it has the original firmware. In high contrast scenes, like a bright outdoor scene with no artificial lighting, the portions of the screen in shadow have virtually no definition. Especially noticeable on people's faces if half their face is in shadow. I have a Mitsubishi 46807 RP CRT set. I don't think it's the TV, my old DVD player didn't look like this (Panasonic RP56). And normal TV broadcast material doesn't have the same issue either.

It basically looks like what I would expect out of a digital display with very poor black level performance. Ironically dark scenes look ok, it's just scenes with a real high contrast where the dark sections of the scene don't have any detail. It doesn't look natural, the dark sections of the scene are too dark.

And yes, I have played around with the basic settings on the TV. I have it calibrated with AVIA. So I'm trying to decide if this is a problem with the DVD player or the TV's calibration. Or perhaps I'm seeing bandwidth limitations of some DVD's?

This player crushes whites (make things too bright) on DVI with the original firmware (less so but still some with component 1080i), but generally does not crush blacks. The newest firmware fixes this white crush via DVI but loses component upconversion for copy-protected DVDs.

Since you have a CRT, 480p may be just as good as 1080i so just stick with the Panny RP56 which has very good 480p component output. Upconversion benefit digital displays more than analogue CRTs, especially at 46" size. You won't notice the improvement of upconversion at this screen size anyway.

This player crushes whites (make things too bright) on DVI with the original firmware (less so but still some with component 1080i), but generally does not crush blacks. The newest firmware fixes this white crush via DVI but loses component upconversion for copy-protected DVDs.

Since you have a CRT, 480p may be just as good as 1080i so just stick with the Panny RP56 which has very good 480p component output. Upconversion benefit digital displays more than analogue CRTs, especially at 46" size. You won't notice the improvement of upconversion at this screen size anyway.

Oh it's noticeable. I did back to back comparisons with both players attached. It's not a huge difference, but the 318 was more detailed and sharper. I am happy with the RP56 though, especially for the money.

But anyway, if this isn't a known issue then maybe I'm just paranoid. I'll have to check out some DVD's that I know are high quality and see what they look like.

the player doesn't crush blacks via component. your display's not quite set right if it is. I've had a 318 for over 2 years and it's a really good player for the cash.

Best,
jeff

I've had mine for over half a year. No problems yet (knock on wood).

I've roaming around through some of the forums looking for opinions and feedback on DVD players that can upscale through its component outputs.

The Zenith 318 seems to be one of them.

But it worries me that apparently its latest firmware "loses component upconversion for copy-protected DVDs". Is that so?

How will I play rented DVDs that I want to upscale then? Should I use an older firmware?

I've roaming around through some of the forums looking for opinions and feedback on DVD players that can upscale through its component outputs.

The Zenith 318 seems to be one of them.

But it worries me that apparently its latest firmware "loses component upconversion for copy-protected DVDs". Is that so?

How will I play rented DVDs that I want to upscale then? Should I use an older firmware?


Yes, either buy one with the older firmware or load the older firmware. I own both the DVB318 and DVB418 and believe the DVB418 is the better player now and it is easy to load firmware permitting component upscaling with the DVB418.

Chris

Yes, either buy one with the older firmware or load the older firmware. I own both the DVB318 and DVB418 and believe the DVB418 is the better player now and it is easy to load firmware permitting component upscaling with the DVB418.



OK. But one problem I seem to have is where to find Zenith players.

They do not seem to be on the web. Amazon does not stock any model. Circuit City perhaps?

As I don't live in the US, I very much depend on the web to buy.

Is there a retailers list somewhere? Not at Zenith's.

you can only find them used on ebay, when they happen to come up. if you want a zenith 318 like player, then I'd recommend buying the lg 418, updating it with the lg531 firmware and you're good to go for component upconversion. this can be found refurb'd on ebay for about $85 shipped, last time I looked.

jeff

you can only find them used on ebay, when they happen to come up. if you want a zenith 318 like player, then I'd recommend buying the lg 418, updating it with the lg531 firmware and you're good to go for component upconversion. this can be found refurb'd on ebay for about $85 shipped, last time I looked.


Thanks. But I do not want to buy anything refurbished or from eBay. I want to pay with my credit card and not Paypal.

I don't think I want LG either.

Perhaps I should go for an Oppo 970 (if new) or the Neo types.

Go with Oppo 970HD for $150 (Amazon gives free shipping where as at Oppo site you pay for shipping) new or $119 refurbed (on their website only, same 1 year warranty) and hack it to do component using downloadable firmware, burn it to CD-R, load it into your Oppo, and you're set.

Don't go with Neuneo or Helios as customer service s*cks and reliability is bad. PQ is average at best.

Thanks. But I do not want to buy anything refurbished or from eBay. I want to pay with my credit card and not Paypal.

I don't think I want LG either.

Perhaps I should go for an Oppo 970 (if new) or the Neo types.

Zenith is an LG brand so if you don't want LG, you don't want Zenith. The Oppo DV970HD is a great player for the price, but upconversion over component requires hacked firmware that may mean you miss out on firmware updates that fix other issues. I would inquire about the possible issues before deciding to use the Oppo for component upconversion. I have been using a Helios/NeuNeo player without problems for over 2 years now, very light use, but I have read enough complaints about build quality that you should be concerned.

Chris

The IN72 (480p DLP) was connected to a Zenith DVB318 at 1080i. There were a row of about 20 white dots apppeared at the top center of the screen. At 480p, the "white dots" moved to the both side edges, while at 720p, they moved to the left edge. Thsis did not happen with the Sony HS51 (720p LCD). When I connect a 480p or 480i Panny RP56, there was no "white dots" with the Zenith

So looks like the IN72 is OK, but then why is the Zenith working fine with the Sony w/o any issues at 480p/702p/1080i via same component wires?

Thanks.

IN72 has different overscan ratio than other displays. If overscan is at 100% which means showing everything of the image, then dotted lines may appear at top of screen. Sony may have overscan at 97% which zooms in on the image a little and cut off the outside edge of the image. This gives a normal 16:9 image without the dotted lines which is builtin to the DVD image during its creation.

Thanks. But I do not want to buy anything refurbished or from eBay. I want to pay with my credit card and not Paypal.

I don't think I want LG either.

Perhaps I should go for an Oppo 970 (if new) or the Neo types.

Perhaps so... but you asked about the zenith, so that's that answer you got;-)

Huey is correct re: overscan. You'd have to recalibrate the zoom, vertical offset,horizontal offset, etc when switching to a different video source that has different geometrical characteristics.

Perhaps so... but you asked about the zenith, so that's that answer you got;-)


Sorry, I didn't mean to be rude. Frustrated, perhaps. ;)

No worries Carlos. This is a *very*old thread ;-) I now own a 970. As Huey says it's probably the player to get today and it's universal.

jeff

Make sense. Thanks to Huey and Smarty-pants.

Can someone post an active link to get the region free code? All the links I found are no longer active. Thanks.

Hi guys,

Does anyone have any idea why my Zenith 318 locks up with the Optoma H79? With my H31, it will play as long as I don't have dvi connected when I power up the dvd player. Once the picture is going, I connect dvi and I'm all set. The H79 locks right away when I connect dvi no matter what.

What firmware are you running? Has the firmware been altered to upconvert via component? Does it freeze up on all resolutions? Definately sounds like some kind of hdcp issue... some handshaking problem. Do both the H31 and the H79 have DVI inputs, or are you using a dvi/hdmi adapter. If you're using an adapter then the adapter may be bad. Also. your cable may be bad too.
Of course these are troubleshooting technics to try asuming that the DVB318 itself has not gone bad.
If the firmware is the proper firmware for upconversion via DVI, I'd try reflashing it anyway and try a different cable.

Good suggestions. I do have the dvi firmware loaded, but could try reflashing it. Both the H31 and the H79 have dvi inputs, so there's no need for an adapter. The 318 is at 1080i, but I haven't tried other resolutions. The cable is not in the best shape, as it's bent a bit at the connector. I'll try swapping it out. Thanks.

Well, I tried a different cable, and different resolutions. The 318 still freezes the instant I connect the dvi cable to the H79. Reflashing the firmware didn't help either. Just to be sure, I tried it on the H31 again, and I have no problems as long as I turn the 318 on first, then connect the dvi after a few seconds.

Finally, I just loaded the component firmware and that works with the H79. The picture still looks a bit better than what I get with pc, so guess this will have to do until I get HD DVD. If anyone has anymore ideas, I'd love to hear them.

Well, I tried a different cable, and different resolutions. The 318 still freezes the instant I connect the dvi cable to the H79. Reflashing the firmware didn't help either. Just to be sure, I tried it on the H31 again, and I have no problems as long as I turn the 318 on first, then connect the dvi after a few seconds.

Finally, I just loaded the component firmware and that works with the H79. The picture still looks a bit better than what I get with pc, so guess this will have to do until I get HD DVD. If anyone has anymore ideas, I'd love to hear them.

Hi Jedi.

Similar thing here. I purchased a Pioneer 5070HD Plasma last year and tried several DVI to HDMI adapters on 318 with the same results you describe.

I just chalked it up to a HDCP issue (or the DVI is just flaky with the modded driver) and hooked mine up via component.

OK, component it is. Still, the picture is great. I have a buddy who might not be using his Oppo anymore. Perhaps I can get it.

I'm getting a "no disc" message whenever I insert a DVD into my DVB318. This is happening on all DVD's I insert, even DVD's that I have in my collction that have worked before, but CD's still work fine.

Does anybody know of a fix?

A while back (maybe 6-12 months ago) there were several threads with titles that roughly said "DVB318 died" and almost all of them (IIRC) were the same exact symptom of DVDs not be recongized with the "no disc" message. I think this problem has been seen as the problem that "kills" a 318.

PS I have a 318.... I check/search for 318 threads from time to time. Just trying to pass on what I recall. Please search this forum for those threads and the Archive forum threads for more detail and to verify.

One thing you might try to prolong the inevitable is to blow some compressed air near the laser pickup. If it's just dirty that can help. But unfortunately, the no disc error is a sign that it's dying.

Sorry,
jeff

Hi Jedi.

Similar thing here. I purchased a Pioneer 5070HD Plasma last year and tried several DVI to HDMI adapters on 318 with the same results you describe.

I just chalked it up to a HDCP issue (or the DVI is just flaky with the modded driver) and hooked mine up via component.


I am glad I came across this post, I got a 5070 two weeks ago and I was going to hook up the 318 with a DVI to HDMI cable, but now I think I will just leave it hooked up with component.

Does anybody know if there is a fix for the white kind of lines that appear vertically when in 1080i mode?

I've roaming around through some of the forums looking for opinions and feedback on DVD players that can upscale through its component outputs.

The Zenith 318 seems to be one of them.

But it worries me that apparently its latest firmware "loses component upconversion for copy-protected DVDs". Is that so?

How will I play rented DVDs that I want to upscale then? Should I use an older firmware?

For me it is a great player. I use HDMI for my H20 and need a component upconverting player. Macroblocking is rare but there on certain movies. I was using my Toshiba D1 for upconverting buy it would not pass BTB over HDMI so I switched it to component and my sat back to HDMI and use my Zenith for all movies except HD DVD movies. It has also played all of my burned movies without a problem. MY D1 played only about 70 percent of them.

I am glad I came across this post, I got a 5070 two weeks ago and I was going to hook up the 318 with a DVI to HDMI cable, but now I think I will just leave it hooked up with component.

Does anybody know if there is a fix for the white kind of lines that appear vertically when in 1080i mode?

There are two enhanced firmware files available for the 318, one for a component interface and the other for DVI. They may address your issue. If you would like me to send them to you give me your E-mail in a Private Message.

BOB

There are two enhanced firmware files available for the 318, one for a component interface and the other for DVI. They may address your issue. If you would like me to send them to you give me your E-mail in a Private Message.

BOB

You wouldn't have the region free hack as well?

You wouldn't have the region free hack as well?

Sorry. No I don't.

BobKat4... Interested in buying a used 318, which firmware version will allow 1080i via component and is there a way to verify the player do have that version? Thx.

BobKat4... Interested in buying a used 318, which firmware version will allow 1080i via component and is there a way to verify the player do have that version? Thx.

I don't know of a way to tell what firmware version has been loaded. Here is a link to the source I was given in January 2006: http://www.keohi.com/keohihdtv/experttips/michaeltlv/lg_dv7832_firmware.html

On my Mitsubishi VS-50111 the LG DVB418 produced a slightly sharper picture.

BOB

Just wanted to say - still using and enjoying our 318 after three years!

Same here... well it's been over 4 years now and I am going to replace it with either an Oppo 983 (when / if it comes out) or the 980/981 (if I get tired of waiting) or the PS3 (less likely but an outside chance).

I'm hoping to have a newer player (HDMI, better chipst/software) by Spring. Not because the Zenith has anything wrong with it. It's still working perfectly. Jus twant Divx playback (USB stick) and HDMI and better / newer chipset.

I'm in the same boat as Beaker 1024. I'll give the Zenith to my son so he can use it for his HDTV. No complaints at all, and one of my better HT purchases.

Just wanted to say - still using and enjoying our 318 after three years!

I've had three TV's since buying this player and HD DVD. Still enjoying the 318 though as well.

Still using my 318, for upconverting purposes even though I have a Panny BD player, which will not upconvert over component. So I hope the 318 works until I am able to go HDMI

I have had the Zenith for some time, but nervous about it's longevity (LG product) and need a player for my older RP HDTV (component only). I have seen some info about firmware revisions for Oppo and other players that will allow 1080i via component (not looking to get into the "upconverting means nothing issue, one of the other advanges is the way the 16:9 tv scales and a 1080i signal provides the best fit). Anyone have any ideas? I have been digging around, looks like some updates to the oppo's will do 1080i via component but want to be sure before I get anythng. Comfy with firmware updates etc. IT pro for 20yrs. Thanks for your help.

Oppo DV-970HD, that is the only model that will upconvert over component (via hack). There is a huge thread somewhere dedicated to that very topic. If you call Oppo (oppodigital.com), they may have a refurb model to sell you. Will be the best deal in town. They have UNBEATABLE/OUTSTANDING customer service/support. The refub will come with the same full warranty as a new one.
Good luck.:)

Thanks smarty pants, still trying to wring all that I can out of my RP TV, this one helps.

Does the DVB318 stretch, pillar box, or let you choose aspect for 4:3 sources over DVI?

--Galvin

I'll be selling my DVB318 next week once I get my PS3 from Amazon. :D

Anyone interested in it can PM me with an offer. Include your zip so I can quote you actual shipping via UPS.

I think I even have the original box and a copy of the firmware somewhere on CD.

This unit is running the LG firmware, and has worked flawlessly. Remote is included.:cool:

Good luck with that sale! It looks like PS3 is the way to go for a Blu-Ray player. Does it up-convert standard DVDs like the Zenith does so well?

Good luck with that sale! It looks like PS3 is the way to go for a Blu-Ray player. Does it up-convert standard DVDs like the Zenith does so well?

Not via component it doesn't. ;)

Help. Does anyone have the region free hack for the LG 7832?

I've been trying the usual links and they are dead (the links to the supposed file(s) you download).

Help. Does anyone have the region free hack for the LG 7832?

I've been trying the usual links and they are dead (the links to the supposed file(s) you download).

I believe I have the file you need. I downloaded it for use on a DVB418, but since the file date is 10/27/2002, I think it will work on the older 7832 (or Zenith DVB318.)

Send me your E-mail in a PM and I will attach the file to my reply.

Bob:)

Does the DVB318 stretch, pillar box, or let you choose aspect for 4:3 sources over DVI?

--Galvin

I've never been able to get it to displayed pillared with 4:3 content via component connection. It always stretches it to 16:9 when upconverting.

Anybody want one of these 318 players? I have one in mint condition... cheap :).

Anybody want one of these 318 players? I have one in mint condition... cheap :).

I have 2 that are still working. This would be a good buy for someone. Do you have it converted for component?

I have 2 that are still working. This would be a good buy for someone. Do you have it converted for component?

Yes, I think it is loaded with the "component upconversion firmware". :)

Haven't used my 318 in a long time but may start to again soon.

Was there ever a solution developed to stop the 318 from stretching 4:3 DVD's to 16:9? Other than that I was very happy with it, great image, very close to what I'm able to get from my 1080i HTPC over component.

Thank you.

Haven't used my 318 in a long time but may start to again soon.

Was there ever a solution developed to stop the 318 from stretching 4:3 DVD's to 16:9? Other than that I was very happy with it, great image, very close to what I'm able to get from my 1080i HTPC over component.

Thank you.

Nope.

Thanks Ramsrule, too bad.

Anybody want one of these 318 players? I have one in mint condition... cheap :).

PM sent!

Hi everyone,

I have a 318 gathering dust on a shelf....was going to put it on ebay, but if anyone is looking for one PM me.

I never upgraded the firmware, so it passes 1080i over component. I used to use it with my Hitachi RPTV, but I sold the tv and just use my ps3 with a plasma now.

Surprised this thread is still around. Mine also stop seing any action since I switched to a plasma over a year ago and started using my PS3, even before that it did not get much use as I was using my Panny CP-72 most of the time. Anybody know what the price these players are being sold for on the used market?

Surprised this thread is still around. Mine also stop seing any action since I switched to a plasma over a year ago and started using my PS3, even before that it did not get much use as I was using my Panny CP-72 most of the time. Anybody know what the price these players are being sold for on the used market?

The market for them is still very good because of the component upconversion! Do a search on ebay and you'll see that they easily can go as high as $130 - $150 at times!

The market for them is still very good because of the component upconversion! Do a search on ebay and you'll see that they easily can go as high as $130 - $150 at times!

Wow, maybe it is time to sell, I just don't like using E-bay.

I have a defective unit selling on ebay as we speak. PM if you need item number. The unit powers up, but does not play. I have second unit working great I my bedroom.

I just got the LG equivalent which is the DVB-418 for $30 shipped of ebay! I can use it on my parents Crt HDTV their getting from a friend of mine and upconvert to 1080i over component, but then when they upgrade to something with the REALTA chip I can output 480i over HDMI to the newer set.

I am thinking of making the move to Blu-ray and would be willing to part with my Zenith 318 with LG firmare and 1080i via component. It's in perfect working order. Remote, firmware CD and manual included. I just don't have the original box.

PM me with an offer if you are interested.

I'm looking to sell my DVB318 too so PM me if interested. I'll be putting it on eBay tomorrow 3/5/09.

jcg

Well I've upgraded to a new HDTV with HDMI, a 61" Samsung LED DLP. My Panny Blu-Ray Player and the PS3 do not look as good at upconverting DVDs over HDMI as the 318 does over component. So the 318 is staying in my rack as my primary DVD player.