How to record via IEEE 1394 (Firewire) to Windows XP [Text View] - Page 11

Hardcore Legend

04-15-06, 03:05 AM

coyoteaz

04-15-06, 05:56 AM

coyoteaz, when you had your issues with the 3250 did you see any behavior like I do (some HD channels recording ok but others garbled)? Or were you having an inability to record all the channels when it wasn't working? I am wondering whether the problem you had is the same as mine or if it had a completely different cause.
Low bitrate channels worked fine. This basically meant FoxHD during primetime (~10mbit), and SD channels. The rest of the HD channels were garbled.
Is there any actual reason to think the 80Mbps bit rate I am seeing on the channels I can't record is bogus and it is due to something flakey in the setup (as opposed to that just *being* the bit rate)?
Channels can flag their bitrate however they want. Some OTA channels even set it to 80mbit, even though they're limited to 19.3. QAM channels are limited to 38.4 mbit/s, and that's split into 2 HD channels on good providers, and more on bad providers. Regardless, it will not cause the issues you are seeing.

My initial line of thinking was that since I can get perfect captures on a couple channels, this more or less "proves" I have everything installed right. If so, I don't get why reinstalling drivers would change the behavior.
The main reason is that the SA3250 is a buggy piece of junk, and the XP firewire setup is a dirty hack. Compare all the trouble we have to what the Mac people do, which is basically plug it in, and fire up the recording tool.
Anyway, another question: in your "procedure" above, were you also removing the hardware devices from Device Manager before you reboot the PC the first time? Otherwise, it would just detect the 3250 when you reconnect the firewire and it wouldn't be looking to reinstall the drivers. Thanks.
Sometimes I would, sometimes I wouldn't. It usually took 2-4 reboots of the PC to get everything working. There was no rhyme or reason to it sometimes.

wreilly

04-15-06, 09:00 PM

Hello all,

I seem to be having a unique problem, when I install the driver it fails with this message:

The required section was not found in the INF.

Looking in the setupapi log it is complaining about this:

#E067 Could not locate section [ClassInstall32].

I have messed around with adding the class install header to the inf file but this really should not be nessasary should it?

What am I missing?

I have Win XP MCE 2005 all updates.
Comcast DCT 6412
bootloader 4.41
firmware 9.19

guys I'm stumpped!! :mad:

Thanks,
Bill

wreilly

04-16-06, 08:02 AM

Got it! You have to copy the INF files to the\windows\inf folder and the SYS files to the \windows\system32\drivers folder.

Gotta love windows.

Hardcore Legend

04-16-06, 12:05 PM

I used CapDHS and captured some shows I had on my DVR. They were standard video files, but I captured them in the .ts stream anyways. Anyways, now I am trying to convert them to .mpg and I can't find a single program to do it. The video BEFORE the DVR program starts, meaning I hit record on the PC and then went to start the playback on the DVR, shows up...no problem, however the other video (that which I had record on the DVR) won't convert.

The entire DVR program saved as a .ts will play in VideoLan no problem, it's just the converting over to MPEG that is the problem.

Anyone have an idea. It seems that the video coming from the DVR isn't able to be converted to MPEG, but not anything I capture playing live from the Motorola box?

The video works on my PC, but I obviously don't want to sit in front of my PC all day and watch it.

In HDTV2DVD, I get this error message:
See the end of this message for details on invoking
just-in-time (JIT) debugging instead of this dialog box.

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smodak

04-16-06, 01:05 PM

How do I know if the programs are protected??? :eek:

I have a Moto 6412 and this is how I do..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DCT-6412#How_To_Check_If_DTCP.2F5C_is_Enabled

HTH

bhansen

04-16-06, 05:33 PM

bandbjt

04-17-06, 05:22 PM

Great informative thread here!!

I've got one small problem. CapDVHS only seems to allow up to 99 minutes recording time.

Is there another capture program or a work-around to allow 180 minutes or more capturing time?

The command prompt program in the first post is a little over my head (I'm not good in command prompts).

Thanks for all the hard work!

hjohns1

04-17-06, 06:05 PM

You can enter up to 999 minutes. You should get the font modified version that I have posted HERE (http://home.earthlink.net/%7Eweathersix/other.htm)

bandbjt

04-17-06, 07:13 PM

You can enter up to 999 minutes. You should get the font modified version that I have posted at HERE

Thanks so much!

You solved my only hurdle!

taylorm33

04-18-06, 01:18 AM

Everytime I open the CapDVHS application, it fails to load the interface. It freezes and shows Not Responding in Task Manager. I tried it on other machines and it works fine. Has anyone experienced this? Thank you very much.

wreilly

04-18-06, 09:42 AM

do I need a tv tuner in order to use MCE software for purposes of capturing via firewire. I have successfully captured video with capdvhs and streamed it with video lan classic. however I want to be able to use the MCE software.

As near as I can tell from all of the previous posts you do. And you will need the IR Blaster too.

Apparently MCE doesn’t recognize the STB as a Tuner device when using 1394, at least that’s what I get out of this. I thought I was close at one time using the Firewirebeta; MCE saw the DCT in the settings, even had a nice picture. But it steadfastly refused to recognize it as a tuner.
Looking at the log files it appears as though MCE doesn’t even look beyond the analog tuner if it doesn’t find one. I have been messing around trying to fool it into thinking this is actually the tuner it is looking for but so far all I have accomplished is appreciating the value of Restore Points.

The Channel change utility works fine so do the other capture and playback utilities. Since all of the channels in my area ( Chicago burbs ) above about 20 are protected with 5C this is all beginning to seem like a colossal waste of time anyway.

Wendell R. Breland

04-18-06, 10:46 PM

Going from SP2 back to SP1 may be a difficult undertaking. I wonder if there is some patch that fixes the firewire end under SP2 if that is the culprit.SP2 should have an uninstall process.

Here is a link to Microsoft's IEEE1394 information and patches (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/885222/en-us).

chuckvb

04-19-06, 12:07 AM

I could use a hand getting the drivers for the tuner and recorder reinstalled. I had it all working but unplugged the Firewire to download a mini dv from camera. Any how now the two devices show up in the Windows device manager but have no drivers associated with them. I tried pointing them at what I remember were the right drivers but windows said something to the effect that the drivers would not work for that device. It seems I remember that the driver install process was a pain (may even renamed files in the past).

So could someone clairfy which two drivers I need and what special things I might need to do to get them accepted by windows.

System MCE, SA3250 with SARA, over firewire.

slim79

04-19-06, 01:48 PM

do I need a tv tuner in order to use MCE software for purposes of capturing via firewire. I have successfully captured video with capdvhs and streamed it with video lan classic. however I want to be able to use the MCE software.

I would suggest looking at the readme in firewire.zip.
tuner in pc is required as well as the IR. for integration with MCE

chuckvb

04-19-06, 03:55 PM

I ran the new beta ( I think late March from TGB) and it said the drivers were installed. But I can't seem to find them or if I point at the INF file in the "Drivers" folder it says there is no information about my hardware" in the inf file. Arg why is the driver install always such a pain.

TXP3064W

04-19-06, 04:51 PM

I just got this thing rolling to with my Moto 6412, but after syncing up with my laptop, via the firewire, I was able to get a couple of test vids in .ts format going. But, now my 6412 is doing strange stuff, like the rw & ff buttons don't do what they did b4, they're like in slo-mo. It's almost like this Moto knows what I'm up to, not that it's anything bad mind you. I did everything straight out of the following link:

http://replayguide.sourceforge.net/dct6412/#Setting_up_for_drivers_for_DCT6412

I was able to get Eva Longoria's recent visit on Letterman without a hitch, but now my DVR rw & ff buttons are stuck in slo-mo, no matter what speed I chose ff1, ff2, ff3 or ff4 or vice versa with rw. I'm not sure what's going on?!?!?! I'm using the far right FireWire port as I'm looking at the back end of my 6412. I'm using a HP ZV6005 laptop with XP, SP2. I reset my 6412 and now my ff & rw work again. But once I hook up the Firewire things go haywire, so I'll guess I'll just reset everytime after I capture a program onto my laptop.

Any1 else experiencing such stuff? I'm using a Ph. III Moto 6412 with the latest firmware & software.

teague

04-19-06, 09:38 PM

... But once I hook up the Firewire things go haywire, so I'll guess I'll just reset everytime after I capture a program onto my laptop.

Any1 else experiencing such stuff? I'm using a Ph. III Moto 6412 with the latest firmware & software.

Several of us have that problem. I have a Phase 3 Moto 6416, and it, and the 6412 I used to have both did that. The reboot is the only known cure. I have the 12.31 firmware. I think it may have started when we got 12.27. Hopefully a later firmware update will fix it.

Chris

TXP3064W

04-20-06, 08:42 AM

TXP3064W

04-20-06, 08:50 AM

Ran across this link the other day thought it was a good read 4 every1.

http://www.wipro.com/webpages/prodesign/reusableframeworks/ieee1394/ieee1394casestudy4.htm

Lee11

04-20-06, 10:10 AM

I'm having issues converting my .ts files over to .mpg. I'm using the HDTV2DVD .4 version, but when I drag my .ts down to the asset pane I see the li'l "+" sign when I drop the file into the field nothing registers it's blank, so obviously I can't drag again up to the Layout pane. I have both .NET framework 1.1 and 2.0. Is it because I have 2.0 that it's causing problems? I'm runnin' XP, SP2.

I have had this problem a few times before and was able to resolve it by opening the .ts file in HDTVtoMPEG2 and resaving the data to another .ts file. I would then use the newly created .ts file to drop into HDTV2DVD.

Not sure why this works but it has worked more than once for me. I'm guessing HDTVtoMPEG2 rewrites the file in a more compatible format, or removes some possible corruption.

Good luck.

chuckvb

04-20-06, 11:18 AM

wreilly

04-20-06, 04:04 PM

Well strange thing with my drivers for the firewire tuner and recorder. Although they show up as unknown devices in the device manager I did get a firewire recording sucessfully last night. So something is messed up but it works. buggy buggy buggy.

Hi Chuck,

I had various similar problems too, and then I started doing this:

1. Unplug Firewire
2. Unzip or extract software
3. Manually copy INF file to \windows\inf
4. Manually copy all SYS files to \windows\system32\drivers
5. Install utility software if used
6. Reboot
7. Connect Firewire
8. Check to see if 2 or 3 devices are installed by canceling them as they come up
9. If it’s 3 Cancel the first one
10. If it’s 2 proceed as outline in other posts.
11. If it asks where the INF file is located point it to \windows\inf
12. When it asks for the SYS file point it to the \windows\system32\drivers

zippy710199

04-21-06, 07:56 PM

Anyone know where i can find some kind of fix to get around the 99 minute limit on cap dvhs
I need to cap at least 2 hours.

roreman

04-21-06, 07:58 PM

It's not a limit. The numbers just scroll out of the box, so just use the arrow keys to scroll to the hidden number.

hjohns1

04-21-06, 08:21 PM

Or.....You can download a font corrected version from my web site... HERE (http://home.earthlink.net/%7Eweathersix/other.htm)

zippy710199

04-21-06, 08:35 PM

The scroll thing didnt work but the new software did.
Many thanks HJOHNS1

fallenrelics

04-22-06, 04:02 AM

eclipse98

04-22-06, 02:30 PM

I have a scientific atlanta 4200HD stb working over the firewire using vlc, however while using D-VHS it only records very short clips, about a minute in length. Then the program automatically shuts down, and the next time i try to start it back up i get "Error 800705AA: Cannot start capture."

This is from capture guide:

"NOTE: If you are running WindowsXP SP2 and persistently get the following error when clicking Rec to start a capture:
Error 800705AA: Cannot start capture
You need to install this Windows XP SP2 1394/firewire patch."

URL to guide: http://replayguide.sourceforge.net/dct6412/
URL to patch (from guide):
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=CA0F2007-18B5-4112-8BD6-8BF4BD3130B9&displaylang=en

HTH, Davie.

eclipse98

04-22-06, 02:52 PM

Hi everybody, great thread with lots of useful info, thank you.

Now, I have some newb capture questions that I tried to find answers by searching this thread and AVS, but to no avail.

Using Moto 6412 Phase 3 box from Comcast (Denver, CO), set up firewire connection, followed the guide, captured stream with CapDVHS -- no problem. Now questions:

1. When I play captured .ts stream on P3 notebook (with integrated vid card) I get lots of artifacts (green line, blocking) -- capture is from unencrypted channels, playback with Media Player Classic 6482. Is this due to P3 limitations and should be fine with better hardware or is there something wrong with the stream ?

2. I obviously cannot capture 5C channels (HBO, INHD1,etc -- INHD2 somehow is working fine):

-- if I use D-VHS to capture 5C stream from Comcast box, would I be able to the capture from D-VHS to PC using firewire. I know that D-VHS has 5C protection as well, is it automatically transferred from HD box to D-VHS therefore making the first step obsolete ? Can you even capture 5C content from HD box to D-VHS ?

-- if I drop Comcast box and use QAM enabled cards like HDTV Fusion will I be able to capture any other channels that I can't right now ? I guess the answer to this is probably not, just want to know my options.

3. After my yesterday capture excersise I seem to have lost ability to play previously recorded content, it shows 'PLAY' but does not play -- is there a fix for that or do I have to reset the whole box ?

Thanks for your help, Davie.

Earl Dennis

04-22-06, 09:26 PM

The download of firewire.zip is no longer available at thegreenbutton. Is there another site or mirror where I can download it?

eclipse98

04-22-06, 10:11 PM

The download of firewire.zip is no longer available at thegreenbutton. Is there another site or mirror where I can download it?

This guide has url to download firewire.zip:

http://replayguide.sourceforge.net/dct6412/

wreilly

04-23-06, 07:15 AM

This is just some stuff I thought would save someone time and frustration. I know they seem obvious but it's too easy to jump...

An MCE compatible Tuner with IR Blaster is required.
MCE must be configured and operational with Tuner and IR Blaster BEFORE you start.
Firewire driver will only work with Windows XP SP-2 Media Center Edition
Install this patch: microsoft[dot]com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=CA0F2007-18B5-4112-8BD6-8BF4BD3130B9&displaylang=en
You may have to copy INF to the windows\inf and SYS files to windows\system32\drivers folders. I don't know why...

timecop

04-23-06, 08:05 AM

if I use D-VHS to capture 5C stream from Comcast box, would I be able to the capture from D-VHS to PC using firewire. I know that D-VHS has 5C protection as well, is it automatically transferred from HD box to D-VHS therefore making the first step obsolete ? Can you even capture 5C content from HD box to D-VHS

dvhs can and will record 5c protected content.
you will not be able to copy 5c protected content from DVHS to PC, just like you can't do it with a tuner.

isamu

04-23-06, 10:10 PM

Ran across this link the other day thought it was a good read 4 every1.

http://www.wipro.com/webpages/prodesign/reusableframeworks/ieee1394/ieee1394casestudy4.htm

can you summarize what they're basically saying?

isamu

04-23-06, 10:14 PM

dvhs can and will record 5c protected content.
you will not be able to copy 5c protected content from DVHS to PC, just like you can't do it with a tuner.

when you say "can't copy", you mean literally transfer files from the PVR to the PC.....but that does not include recording content in real time, that's previously recorded on the PVR, right?

weldon

04-23-06, 10:45 PM

when you say "can't copy", you mean literally transfer files from the PVR to the PC.....but that does not include recording content in real time, that's previously recorded on the PVR, right?
It does include recording in real-time when the content is restricted by 5c copy protection. Where 5c is used, you will NOT be able to capture the video to a computer (AFAIK).

isamu

04-23-06, 11:30 PM

It does include recording in real-time when the content is restricted by 5c copy protection. Where 5c is used, you will NOT be able to capture the video to a computer (AFAIK).

I have a motorola DCT6200(or DCT6208 I'm not sure). The media is all SD content, not HD. Can you tell me if the content is 5c copy protected, or what the likelyhood of it being 5c is?

twitchee3

04-23-06, 11:33 PM

I have a motorola DCT6200(or DCT6208 I'm not sure). The media is all SD content, not HD. Can you tell me if the content is 5c copy protected, or what the likelyhood of it being 5c is?
It depends on how your local cable company head end has the content flagged. The same programming in different areas have the 5c flags set differently.

timecop

04-24-06, 12:04 AM

when you say "can't copy", you mean literally transfer files from the PVR to the PC.....but that does not include recording content in real time, that's previously recorded on the PVR, right?

no, i mean, literally not being able to have a digital copy of the contents in any way you can imagine.

that includes dubbing realtime, copying from dvr hdd (already encrypted there), etc.

twitchee3

04-24-06, 12:56 AM

no, i mean, literally not being able to have a digital copy of the contents in any way you can imagine.

that includes dubbing realtime, copying from dvr hdd (already encrypted there), etc.
Yeah, because the digital file of the program continues to include the 5c flag, it will NEVER allow you to copy programs marked "copy never" in a digital format.

Philip Klein

04-26-06, 01:14 PM

I believe that I saw an answer to this before (in the negative) but I would like a comfirmation of it. I recorded some analog, non-HD programs on my Comcast 6412 DVR (OK, they were old SI Swimsuit videos shown on Spike) and I would like to transfer them to my HTPC running XP, SP2. The programs are not, I'm sure, 5c protected but they are analog. But can you transfer analogue programs from a Moto 6210 to XP via firewire? Obviously the programs are stored digitally on the DVR hard drive.

Again, I thought someone said that you could not transfer original analog shows on IEEE 1394. Please let me know for sure.

- Phil

Huskerfan

04-26-06, 01:28 PM

ya, why wouldn't you be able to? Not sure you're going to like the quality you get, though....

Philip Klein

04-26-06, 01:47 PM

ya, why wouldn't you be able to? Not sure you're going to like the quality you get, though....

I don't know why would couldn't- I just thought I remembered that you couldn't.

- Phil

kyris

04-26-06, 02:23 PM

I don't know why would couldn't- I just thought I remembered that you couldn't.

- Phil

Because it says right here on the first post:

"This method captures the original Transport stream sent by your provider, so if it is sent with DD 5.1 then you will capture DD5.1. This method only works with Digital channels, analogue cable channels will not work."

~Ky

Lee11

04-26-06, 04:18 PM

I have transferred programs recorded on analog channels on my 6412 II to my PC. The quality is not as good obviously but it will work. You will only get stereo analog of course.

FYI:I have also made DVD using HDTV2DVD but the PQ is even worse. I assume because the source is of such poor quality.

timecop

04-26-06, 07:48 PM

FYI:I have also made DVD using HDTV2DVD but the PQ is even worse. I assume because the source is of such poor quality.

What?
What bitrate does DVR record at? if its within the DVD spec (<= 9800, closed gops) you should be able to just demux mpeg2ts you got from the DVR into elementary streams and author the DVD as is.

Of course the picture wont be fantastic, but you won't be losing any more quality on re-encoding content.

Lee11

04-27-06, 08:53 AM

What?
What bitrate does DVR record at? if its within the DVD spec (<= 9800, closed gops) you should be able to just demux mpeg2ts you got from the DVR into elementary streams and author the DVD as is.

Of course the picture wont be fantastic, but you won't be losing any more quality on re-encoding content.

I haven't tried it that way, but it sounds like a better way to go than running through HDTV2DVD. I will try that next time. Thanks.

gordonbb

04-30-06, 02:02 PM

Or.....You can download a font corrected version from my web site... HERE (http://home.earthlink.net/%7Eweathersix/other.htm)
Cool - Thanks
BTW - Why don't you ask the thread owner Ben (bdraw) to modify post 1 and link to your version?

burtjohnson

04-30-06, 02:57 PM

I was about 1 minute into a CapDVHS recording and the computer rebooted. Then I restart CapDVHS and got "Cannot find capture device". Has anyone experienced this?
I've been recording using CapDVHS for months on Windows XP Pro using 400 Mbps firewire to DCT6412 without Windows XP patch. My last successful recording was 4/8/2006. The 1 minute of recording plays back with broken bits and choppy sound. In the device manager I see the "VAI OHCI Compliant IEEE 1394 Host Controller" but nothing else. I have 2 system boots and the second boot shows the same thing. Isn't there suppose to be something like a "Motorola Tuner AV/C Device (DCT-6412)" device listed?
I re-copied the mei drivers and ran meistb.inf. I have un-installed the "VAI OHCI Compliant IEEE 1394 Host Controller" and the system re-installed it. I even installed the XP patch. Nothings working. Any suggestions would be appreciated!

twitchee3

04-30-06, 04:14 PM

Try resetting the STB and reconnecting the firewire connection to it.

burtjohnson

04-30-06, 04:58 PM

Thank you for reply. I just pulled the power plug on the DCT6412 and the Device Manager is now showing "Motorola Tuner AV/C Device(DCT-6412)" and shows up in CapDVHS.
Unfortunately when I playback a recorded test file it is badly broken up and not usable. The only thing I remember loading since the last good recording was Windows Defender and the latest Windows April 11th security updates. I Also suspect that Comcast updated the DCT6412 because the rewind speed is faster then it use to be.
So now I'll start looking for what causes a bad choppy recording. Any suggestion is appreciated.

twitchee3

04-30-06, 05:08 PM

If you go to Control Panel, System Properties, the Hardware tab, then Device Manager, you should see Tuner AV/C Device in the window.

Foojay

04-30-06, 05:09 PM

Does this work with the 3412?

mabrown

05-01-06, 01:30 PM

I'm looking at upgrading to the SA 3250, but Time Warner Houston told me that the firewire ports on the box are not enabled. Is there a way for me to enable them or am I just SOL?

Bob14567

05-01-06, 06:36 PM

I'm looking at upgrading to the SA 3250, but Time Warner Houston told me that the firewire ports on the box are not enabled. Is there a way for me to enable them or am I just SOL?

I'm in the same boat with Cox's Moto DCT6416 III. I suspect that the firewire ports can be enabled via a firmware upgrade, and therefore, until firmware is issued enabling firewire for those boxes that are without: "just SOL". Again, this is just a guess on my part and someone may come along and correct me.

Bob

holl_ands

05-01-06, 07:55 PM

I'm looking at upgrading to the SA 3250, but Time Warner Houston told me that the firewire ports on the box are not enabled. Is there a way for me to enable them or am I just SOL?
As of 1 Aprll 2004, all Cable operators were required by law to offer at least one HD-STB which had IEEE-1394 (i.e. Firewire) capability.
Call again....and again....and ask for a supervisor....most of the CSR's are clueless re Firewire, but may know it as IEEE 1394.

Then I suggest you submit a formal letter and await their response--be sure to ask for an HD-STB with IEEE-1394 Firewire....most systems do not yet have it in an HD-DVR....

If they provide a negative response, you should then file a formal complaint with the FCC:
http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/complaints.html

You should also cite the applicable CFR Section 76.640 regulations (see at bottom):
http://www.hallikainen.com/FccRules/2006/76/640/

alienstookmybeer

05-01-06, 09:22 PM

I've been saving HD transport streams, but on playback I've noticed a problem with how it tracks time. Most streams are about an hour long, but the time only goes up to around 5 to 7 minutes, after which point during playback you can't rewind, fast forward, or skip to another scene after that.

I was beginning to write this off as something I can't get around, but I recently somehow did get one capture that didn't have this problem.

Has anyone else come across this problem, and know how to get around it? (I've also already tried the HDTV2Repair tool)

twitchee3

05-01-06, 10:16 PM

alienstookmybeer

05-02-06, 07:06 AM

I have been using CAPDVHS version 0.3.0.6. and changed the settings as described in this walkthrough.

mabrown

05-02-06, 02:11 PM

[QUOTE=holl_ands]As of 1 Aprll 2004, all Cable operators were required by law to offer at least one HD-STB which had IEEE-1394 (i.e. Firewire) capability.
Call again....and again....and ask for a supervisor....most of the CSR's are clueless re Firewire, but may know it as IEEE 1394.

Then I suggest you submit a formal letter and await their response--be sure to ask for an HD-STB with IEEE-1394 Firewire....most systems do not yet have it in an HD-DVR....

If they provide a negative response, you should then file a formal complaint with the FCC:

You should also cite the applicable CFR Section 76.640 regulations (see at bottom):

I did just that and this time got a completly different answer. "We apologize for the inconvenience. Some of our 3250HD boxes do indeed have the firewire port enabled. To retrieve this box you would have to request it at one of our payment centers." Man they just try to screw you.. gotta love em.. thanks for the links.

jriskin

05-03-06, 08:54 PM

So is there any known fix to get a XP SP2 system working with the SA3250HD?

I get the same as a previous user posted...

XP SP2
1. Perfect recording on some channels
2. Garbled MPEG errors on others
3. Totally unplayable on HD high bit rate

Mac OSX 10.4
1. Perfect recordings on all of the same channels

I use SageTV and have it configured, but I have to limit it to the channels that work ok. Its a total bummer to NOT be able to get windows to work as they don't make SageTV for the Mac...

Jake

timecop

05-04-06, 01:17 AM

reinstall windows.
all the lies bring spread about firewire being broken in SP2 is just that, lies.

jriskin

05-04-06, 03:47 PM

So you do you know that a reinstall of windows would clean it up? It's a lot of effort if it all amounts to nothing. But I'm totally willing to do it, if you can confirm that it's worked for other people with the same problem.

SLCentral

05-06-06, 09:18 PM

For some reason, I'm having problems playing back ABC and CBS using my DCT3412 with Comcast in Central Jersey. The box reports them as being non-5C'ed, but CAPDVHS won't record it, VLC won't stream it, and SageTV won't play it. Even tried recording on the box first, but that didn't work either. All the other channels (including CineMax) work fine...anyone know what's going on?

tenfingers

05-07-06, 10:39 AM

These days all you need is a Behringer FCA 202 which is dirt cheap and includes software. You need Windows XP SP2 or later. It also works on Mac

Bob14567

05-07-06, 12:23 PM

These days all you need is a Behringer FCA 202 which is dirt cheap and includes software. You need Windows XP SP2 or later. It also works on Mac

This seems to be some kind of firewire audio interface/sound card. To which post are you responding? Could you be more specific as to what problem your solution addresses?

Thanks,
Bob

dvbTV

05-07-06, 07:05 PM

timecop

05-07-06, 07:13 PM

dvbTV

05-07-06, 07:16 PM

I have check the diagnostic sceens and it states that they are not 5c the bmc9012 has different coding and it says not encrypted local channel

dvbTV

05-07-06, 07:19 PM

it says something like s12 not encrypted some off the movie channels say s0 encrypted thanks timecop for any help

bunget

05-07-06, 10:38 PM

dvbTV

05-08-06, 12:28 AM

I have the same problem here.The sa3250hd shows up in the pull down menu on capdvhs, but all my recordings are 0Kb.I'm running xp mce 2005, i don't have a tuner card installed.Will it work with this setup? Also in My Tray i'm not showing anything as a tuner.Any suggestions, please? Thank you
Just follow direction on the very first post and it should work for you. I have xp home and a older motorola stb, so having tuff time with this working

Sonisame

05-08-06, 12:28 PM

Just wondering, if there is a way to turn ON the Motorola 62xx block through firewire connected HTPC for scheduled recordings. Ialways leave my cable box plugged in power outlet, but sometime have the cable box off(in standby mode), I have seen from time to time, I miss a scheduled recording due to that.

Sonisame

RenegadeCanuck

05-08-06, 08:01 PM

The link to the firewire.zip program says you need XP MCE to use, and I have XP Home SP2 on my laptop, is there any way to use my laptop to record programs from the PVR?

scoombs

05-08-06, 08:41 PM

The link to the firewire.zip program says you need XP MCE to use, and I have XP Home SP2 on my laptop, is there any way to use my laptop to record programs from the PVR?

Yes, view the readme file in that package for non-MCE configuration.

timecop

05-08-06, 09:48 PM

Just wondering, if there is a way to turn ON the Motorola 62xx block through firewire connected HTPC for scheduled recordings.

CapDVHS has an option to "video power on at capture start".
Try using that.

twitchee3

05-09-06, 02:04 AM

??? for all. I have the bmc 9012 with active fireport hooked to my pc win xp sp2, using capdvhs i get cannot start capture and it creates 0kb file. Yes i have the sp2 patch downloaded. ? is do i need a tuner card in my pc or can the stb do this for me. if the tuner card is not needed then what might be the problem. I have the drivers correct for my bmc9012 model and this tuner a/v moto bmc9012 is listed in capture box in the capdvhs program. thanks in advance for any suggestions.
Firewire recording to a Windows PC does not work with the Moxi, sorry. We have not yet isolated the reason for it, but after MANY attempts by MANY users, it has been established that Digeo must have incorporated some type of function to disable the firewire ports from outputting the .ts stream when connected to a non-5c enabled device. Since no PC is 5c enabled, you cannot capture to a computer, but only view content via a firewire TV or record to a 5c enabled DVHS recorder.

Sonisame

05-09-06, 01:35 PM

CapDVHS has an option to "video power on at capture start".
Try using that.
Thanks I will try that

Sonisame

Bob14567

05-09-06, 10:12 PM

Yes, view the readme file in that package for non-MCE configuration.

The readme lists the 6412 as the latest model supported. Does anyone know if this driver will work with the 6416 III? Also, what degree of success have those who have attempted this under non-MCE XP SP2 had?

Thanks,
Bob

twitchee3

05-10-06, 12:45 AM

The readme lists the 6412 as the latest model supported. Does anyone know if this driver will work with the 6416 III? Also, what degree of success have those who have attempted this under non-MCE XP SP2 had?

Thanks,
Bob
6416 III is the same thing as a 6412, just with a 160 GB hard drive, an HDMI port, and a SATA interface. Should function the same.

Bob14567

05-10-06, 09:38 AM

6416 III is the same thing as a 6412, just with a 160 GB hard drive, an HDMI port, and a SATA interface. Should function the same.

Thanks, Twitchee3. Now I just have to convince Cox that they should meet the FCC mandate regarding firewire.

twitchee3

05-10-06, 05:12 PM

Thanks, Twitchee3. Now I just have to convince Cox that they should meet the FCC mandate regarding firewire.
The problem is that they do not have to provide you with a 6412 or 6416 with firewire, they just have to have ANY firewire enabled STB for you upon request. Now, chances are they have 6412's or 6416's that are firewire enabled, but they usually don't even respect the FCC mandate is it is.

Bob14567

05-10-06, 06:37 PM

The problem is that they do not have to provide you with a 6412 or 6416 with firewire, they just have to have ANY firewire enabled STB for you upon request. Now, chances are they have 6412's or 6416's that are firewire enabled, but they usually don't even respect the FCC mandate is it is.

Yes, that has been the problem here. In fact, trying to get any information at all over the phone is impossible. Either they run off every 2 mins. to 'ask' someone, or they just state ignorance. The mandate does state that the STB must be HD, But I've grown attached to the 6416's dual tuner HD/DVR.

During one conversation, a 'supervisor' said that *none* of their STBs had firewire enabled, but I'm not sure about that, given that no one I've talked to seems to knwo what they are talking about.

In the interim, I'm using s-video to transfer the DVR recordings to a Navis Pro card. Quality is not too bad, but not digital quality.

Thanks,
Bob

rickfaldo

05-11-06, 09:49 AM

Could you please provide the firewire.zip link again? I am just starting to install the drivers and hopefully use my Motorola 6212 box to record on my computer via firewire. Are there any new fixes since your original post regarding this? I am not very technical so this will be some fun for me.
Thanks
Rick

rickfaldo

05-11-06, 12:15 PM

Would you be so kind to send me the firewire.zip link please. I cannot find it on the webpage.
Thanks
Rick

scoombs

05-11-06, 12:58 PM

Would you be so kind to send me the firewire.zip link please. I cannot find it on the webpage.
Thanks
Rick

Try the first post in this thread.

Try the first post in this thread.

rickfaldo

05-11-06, 02:08 PM

twitchee3

05-11-06, 06:53 PM

DisabledTrucker

05-12-06, 07:33 AM

Thanks, got the info. Ended up using another link on a previous post -replayguide.sourceforge.net/dct6412 which has all the drivers needed in one folder. However, it sounded too good to be true and was. It appears I have the driver installed but when I run CapDVHS, it can't find the device....
Any idea where I went wrong? My device manager looks like this:
VIA OHCI Compliant IEEE Host Controller
-1394 Net Adapter
-AV/C Tuner(disabled)
-Motorola AV/C Panel Device(DCT5412)
-Unknown Device(disabled)

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

Firstly, the drivers I had up were for the Motorolla units, yes, but I'm not sure about the 5412, in fact I didn't even know they made such a unit. Also, the ones that TimMoore has over at the green button's site are the absolute latest ones and you'd be best off getting his. Besides his will automatically install them for you, plus give you a few more things if you have MCE 2005, such as the ability to use them with the Media Center. The latest drivers are in the thread by ghostlobster here: http://thegreenbutton.com/forums/thread/98686.aspx.

timecop

05-12-06, 07:41 AM

rickfaldo

05-12-06, 08:36 AM

Sorry, typo on the 5412...should read 6412

rickfaldo

05-12-06, 08:55 AM

Thanks for the suggestions...all of you. I used the instructions included with the "replayguide" source...easier to understand for a non-techy like myself. It appears the only active drivers needed are, "Motorola Tuner AV/C Device (DCT6412) according to the instructions. When viewing the diagnostics page on the 6412, the d11 Interface status-1394 I/O Device shows Active Ports=0 and 5C=0. According to Shaw, my ISP, the Firewire ports are active.
Just a thought. My firewire cable lights up with a blue light when connected to my computer. Which I guess indicates it is hot. Should the cable light up when I connect it to the 6412 as well? If it is hot?
Still trying....
Thanx
Rick

Dimdem

05-12-06, 07:24 PM

Shan-
I had the same problem, and it turned out to be a bad (brand new) cable. Just oen thing to try.

Now, for my problem (which i wouldn't have started a new thread for had I remembered this one). I think that my .ts files from CAPDVHS are invalid. At least that is that is what WINDVD says when I try to play them. And HDTV2DVD won't let me drag them into the Assets window. Any suggestions?

timecop

05-12-06, 08:44 PM

Then use DGDecode/DGIndex, or Womble MPEG Editor. (google either one)

Dimdem

05-12-06, 10:04 PM

I tried DGIndex. Still no go, but it gave me a more specific error: No video header sequence, I believe it was.

DaveFi

05-12-06, 11:13 PM

How nice it would be to have XP64 drivers.

Someone is going to have to write 64bit drivers eventually, just for Vista support.

timecop

05-12-06, 11:53 PM

I tried DGIndex. Still no go, but it gave me a more specific error: No video header sequence, I believe it was.

Do you by chance have a 0byte file as a result of this "recording"?
heh.

Team Scream

05-13-06, 02:13 AM

Hows this for a ramble

Seems to me like all of the bogus files sizes are a result of the box itself trying to fool the recording device (the pc in this case) .
Similar to what happens with some of the copy protection on newer Sony DVD's.

I am not sure how to describe this correctly but if a nominal final file size is supposed to be 38mbs for a given signal (HD) then the STB through firmware may be adding additional blank information to the stream?
In other words maybe every other bit is a blank or bogus bit designed to throw off any decoder set to look for a typical bit stream in a standard mpeg2 file >?

I have no idea what im talking about really but this sounds like an easy way for the cable companies to enforce the "rules".
Simply detect "if" a firewire device is attached "then" write additional bits into the stream.

I wonder if one can take one of those 80mbs+ files and try to run it through DVDDecrypter/DVDFabDecrypter or a similar program somehow? which is designed to see these things.

Rambling for sure......just trying to plant ideas that may turn on the light bulb in one of the gurus minds that like to tinker with these things.

I have no aspiration of selling dvds that I may create by capturing a stream from an STB that I pay for as part of a service that I pay for, I just really hate being told I cant watch that content however I see fit once I have paid for it.
If that means I time shift my way and transport it my way to another device in my house wheres the beef? being confined to one box and one display is like being in a cage, yet I still pay for that "privilege". kinda big brothery

Why shoudl I be forced to use a DVR the cable company provides when I have hardware wholly capable of doing the same thing that I have already paid for?

This is ridiculous.

Dimdem

05-13-06, 08:45 AM

Do you by chance have a 0byte file as a result of this "recording"?
Nope. :) Not over 4GB, either, so I don't think it is a FAT32 problem.

timecop

05-13-06, 09:48 AM

Hows this for a ramble

No.
All those things you mentioned are invalid. OTA stuff does have null byte padding to make it fit into a specified bitrate. But what you are suggesting is ridiculous/pointless. There is a robust content protection mechanism which is 5C. It has nothing to do with file sizes or whatever. The way it works is simple, you either get a picture of you get nothing.

If you're recording a 80mbps file with capdvhs, all you have is a multiplexed stream of 2-3 programs. Using dgindex, or any software which can parse and show proper transport streams, you will see multiple programs. You can demux them as you wish, or whatever. There is no conspiracy theory. Nobody wants to make you have less use of firewire. Put your tinfoil hat down.

Rustyp

05-14-06, 01:46 PM

DisabledTrucker

05-14-06, 01:49 PM

There is only "one driver" and its the one that 'got out' from Panasonic MotionDV. Probably my copy, too. If it doesn't work on your box, its either a) unsupported b) you didn't RTFM. In either case, spending time with the 1st post of this thread is a recommended course of action.

Also, if your 'drivers' crash, 'getting new versions' isnt going to help anything because at the end, its all spins around meidvhs driver, which hasnt been updated by Panasonic for a few years.

Actually the ones I got were from Sage's site I belive, but they most likely are the same driver and from what I understand the actual .dll files are still the same, although MS has upgraded them a few times since, I haven't paid attention to see if the Panasonic ones have actually been updated or not and the portion of it that has been updated in Tim's package is the installer which supposedly adds support for more equipment than what was in the package I put up.

As far as getting ones designed for x64 edition goes, I too would like to see them but I don't know enough yet about the differences between the x32 and x64 versions to create the installer for the x64 edition and I don't know if the files in x64 edition will need any modifications to make them work or not to get them to work like the ones for x32 do. Since the files are actually a part of Windows XP to begin with there must be a way to use what's in there and just use an inf file to activate them, along with the 1394 transport that is shown as "Unknown" in the Driver Manager.

@Rick, I kinda figured that's what you meant but I wanted to be sure, and it's also why I didn't make a big deal out of it.

timecop

05-14-06, 05:46 PM

updated in Tim's package is the installer which supposedly adds support for more equipment than what was in the package I put up

All it does to "support more equipment" is adds device IDs to the inf file. Really.

Jules343

05-15-06, 12:40 AM

highvista

05-15-06, 12:58 PM

When I try to install the firewire driver, firestb.msi, I get an error stating that it requires Microsoft Media Center 2005. I have XP Home on the machine I want to install it to (a laptop). Does anyone know of another driver?Check out the FAQ section at the end of the readme file included with the installer. If you're installing the same kit I did, there are instructions on passing command-line parameters to the installer that force it to install under XP. It worked for me, after having received the MCE error.

stty0

05-16-06, 02:21 PM

i used the firewire_6412 drivers with XP and a new DCT6200 box from Shaw. recording via CapDVHS worked great. I also discovered that I could use VLC to record, by going to File/Open Capture Device, then clicking on 'Refresh List' under Video Device Name, selecting DCT6200 as the device, then using the 'stream output' settings to specify a name and location for the recorded file. I did not mess with encapsulation method or other settings, but left everything else at defaults. Hitting OK a couple of times gets you back to the VLC main window, where it looks as if nothing is happening, but take a look at the file you specified earlier and hit F5 a few times and you will see it growing rapidly. Recorded JayLeno on NBCHD last night for 20 minutes, the file was about 1.82GB in size.

BulkHedd

05-16-06, 03:32 PM

ashutoshsm

05-16-06, 04:16 PM

BulkHedd, it is more likely that your system couldn't handle playback of the file, which it likely captured easily, digitally, at the 1080i reslution.

720P *may* alleviate this, if your system can play that back. I seriously doubt capture is the issue here.

stty0

05-16-06, 04:35 PM

I have a Moto 6412 with Passport Echo software and I just got my 6-pin to 4-pin firewire cable so I wanted to give this a try. I have not made it all the way through this thread but I wanted to try it anyway.

I have a Dell Inspiron 6000, 1.6Ghz Pentium M, 1GB RAM. I tried to record a bit of a show I had saved on the DVR. The result was choppy, contstantly breaking up, and totally unwatchable. I have my 6412 set to output 1080i. Would this work better if I set it to 720p?

BulkHedd,

That is strange. The 1080i stream I captured in CapDVHS plays smoothly (tried it on PBSHD and some HD sports channel) in VLC. This is on a Latitude laptop with a 1.4 Ghz Pentium M. Playback full screen is smooth, but CPU goes at 100% throughout.

BulkHedd

05-16-06, 04:46 PM

After I captured it I used HDTV2DVD to convert it to MPEG2 and it was still horrible looking playing that back through PowerDVD.

grittree

05-16-06, 07:54 PM

Is it normal to have CapDVHS capture a 4:3 from a Moto6412 and have it be stretched to 16:9?

Edit: never mind. Default viewing was MyHD, and it was set to fill 16:9

ak3883

05-16-06, 08:15 PM

I cannot believe this. I attempted this for the first time tonight, moving my 6412 on top of my computer and hooking it up to the cable that usually goes into my TV tuner card on my PC.

I follow the instructions on the 1st post here, and at replayguide.sourceforge.net, and it freakin WORKS!

The new version of CapDVHS converts to .mpg files automatically? I thought it recorded .ts files? I've only browsed this thread a bit, I've only read maybe 10 various pages.

I just captured, and there was an mpeg file, playable in media player 10. The length is not right, but no biggie. As expected, I can only record networks and channels w/o 5C(duh), so that limits me to the networks and what I have recorded on the hard drive from networks.

Just for fun I tuned to an HD channel, capture seemed to work fine?!?!! It sure looks like full resolution, capdvhs is reporting the full 1280X720 resolution(FOX station). CPU didn't choke, windows didn't choke, nothing. Not even with HD! I figured trying HD would kill it.

All I did were follow the directions on sourceforge.net, EXACTLY, and fired up CapDVHS, the proper options were selected, tried a 1 minute capture, no problem! I have XP SP1 btw.

Excited by the possibilities this opens up, I'll have to get a 25ft firewire cord and see if it will work, I saw some posts saying the distance needs a repeater? If it doesn't work then I'll know it is the cable.

Oh and my PC is "only" an Athlon XP 2500+, 1GB RAM. 7200RPM ATA66(no serial) HD, recorded to the same drive windows was on. I do have a 40GB external, I'll see if I can successfully record to that one.

jl3838

05-17-06, 03:02 PM

severian1967

05-17-06, 04:02 PM

grittree

05-17-06, 06:22 PM

AK3883:

Please let us know how a long firewire cable worked. Include which chipset your 1394 port uses if you know.

A couple of points on what you said. CapDVHS does nothing more than act as a recorder. It doesn't matter what you name the file, it is a transport stream. Which is a container for mpeg2. Not sure what you mean by a "new version".

Since there is no processing of the video, any old computer can run CapDVHS. Playing it is where horsepower is needed.

twitchee3

05-17-06, 07:16 PM

I have a Moto DCT 6412 III box from Adelphia, SW version 71.44-1203, FW v12.20

Following the instructions on this forum, I have been able to capture analog channel streams only and play them back fine. Unfortunately, I seem to have 5C encryption on even my broadcast (ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX) stations on the HD channels, but not the analog.

Isn't broadcast TV supposed to be available in HDTV without 5C, or am I just dreaming here? Maybe that's only OTA?

Frankly I'm surprised at how little HDTV content is provided with Adelphia's HDTV service...

Any help would be greatly appreciated
It is ILLEGAL for ANY cable company to enforce ANY TYPE OF 5c flags on network content (CBS, NBC, ABC, FOX, and PBS). If your cable company is doing this, notify them of their error and if they do not correct it, report them to the FCC.

Adelphia's lack of HD content (if you're in an area that receives only the netowrks, ESPNHD, HBO HD, and Sho HD) it is because you're on the older 700mhz system, and there is no more bandwidth for any additional HD content. You must wait until the system is upgraded to 850mhz to receive the additional HD programming offered by Adelphia.

severian1967

05-17-06, 08:40 PM

holl_ands

05-17-06, 11:04 PM

thanks twitchee3; do you have a link to the FCC reg that precludes the cable companies from using 5C on network content?

just to get a firewire-enabled box, I had to literally print out the pages from the FCC regulation and give it to the Adelphia techs personally. They really didn't believe me, and had no idea what Firewire or 1394 was.

the struggle continues.....
Local (Network) programs (presumably including DTV versions) fall under the MUST NOT ENCRYPT rules for Basic Cable:

Congressional Law: Title 47, Part 76, Subpart K "Technical Standards", sec 76.730 says that Basic Cable must be unencrypted (and hence 5C does not apply):
http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=496d138312e61018fd6db3404f2dde7d&rgn=div8&view=text&node=47:4.0.1.1.4.11.3.14&idno=47

"§ 76.630 Compatibility with consumer electronics equipment.

(a) Cable system operators shall not scramble or otherwise encrypt signals carried on the basic service tier. Requests for waivers of this prohibition must demonstrate either a substantial problem with theft of basic tier service or a strong need to scramble basic signals for other reasons. As part of this showing, cable operators are required to notify subscribers by mail of waiver requests. The notice to subscribers must be mailed no later than thirty calendar days from the date the request waiver was filed with the Commission, and cable operators must inform the Commission in writing, as soon as possible, of that notification date....."

and clearly includes DTV under the MUST NOT ENCRYPT Broadcast Television rules:

Congressional Law: Title 47, Part 76, Subpart W "Encoding Rules", is very clear that broadcast television (i.e. local "network" and other stations) may not be encrypted:
http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?type=simple;c=ecfr;cc=ecfr;sid=73e4c54edd07684fe19cccf7a 1107f9b;idno=47;region=DIV1;q1=basic%20cable;rgn=div6;view=t ext;node=47%3A4.0.1.1.4.23

"§ 76.1904 Encoding rules for defined business models.

(a) Commercial audiovisual content delivered as unencrypted broadcast television shall not be encoded so as to prevent or limit copying thereof by covered products or, to constrain the resolution of the image when output from a covered product."

This section also includes the "5C" and (soon to be resurrected) Broadcast Flag rules for recording encrypted cable channels.

ak3883

05-18-06, 12:22 AM

AK3883:

Which version of 6412 you are using? Does it have hdmi? I tried several dcr from comcast SF but I still don't have one with an active firewire for capture. Can you tell us your connection setting? Thanks.

I am using the 6412 Phase II. DVI, no HDMI. I just use a dvi-hdmi cable to go to my Samsung DLP. Firewire port closest to the power supply worked for me. I dread the day something fatal happens to it, as I have had pretty good luck with it and not had many of the problems some have had. A lot of that is b/c i don't use 5ch sound(yet). I see no reason to try a different unit, this one works pretty well if I reboot it every other week or so. The firewire is very picky, certain combinations of firewire hookups will kill the power to it and not allow it to boot up. If I unplug my tv or dvhs for some reason with the cable box in the chain of devices, it will kill the box, and I have to unplug the firewire from the box to let it boot back up again.

Please let us know how a long firewire cable worked. Include which chipset your 1394 port uses if you know

Just a 6ft firewire cable, as I moved my box to my computer since i have cable running into a tv tuner card already, very easy to just feed the box that connection.

As for my firewire card, it's just what's included on my motherboard, port on the case hooked up to the header on the mobo. I think the 1394 comes off the south bridge on my board, which is an NVIDIA nForce2

I was feeling greedy, so I tried my Mits 1100u DVHS deck, also got that to work. I googled and easily found instructions for hooking that up, I picked a JVC "tape device" driver that was already included with windows. Once I got the driver on, CapDVHS worked great with capturing streams from broadcasts w/o 5C(obviously).

Now if only there were a way around that 5C :rolleyes:

BulkHedd

05-18-06, 07:31 AM

severian1967

05-18-06, 05:31 PM

holl_ands, thanks for the links and the info. I did e-mail Adelphia the pertinent information, and I'll follow up with them by phone, but the language you cited did strike me as a bit squishy, probably enough wiggle room for cable providers to claim the basic cable IS unscrambled, the HDTV service doesn't fall under that, presumably. I'll continue researching this though, and maybe I'll get lucky.

And maybe I'll try an OTA antenna and an HDTV card; anyone know if the OTA signal is 5C encrypted?

nickelman

05-18-06, 05:37 PM

I read in this thread that you cannot, due to copyright concerns, record On Demand programming. I hooked up my DCT 6416 III and used it to record an On Demand movie with no problems. It looks as good as it did on the TV. Is there a way to find out why this works? Let me know what to look up.

timecop

05-18-06, 05:41 PM

I don't know what my initial problem was but I tried it again and it worked. Maybe my laptop just needed to be rebooted.

Anyway, I now have a .TS file and I used HDTV2DVD to create an MPEG2 file that is about 3.5GB. I would like to convert this to DivX but I can't seem to get it to work. I tried the open source Dr. DivX and it either crashes on me or I end up with no audio in the file.

Does anyone have any recommendations?

Thanks so much for your help.

First of all capdvhs can produce .mpg program streams instead of .TS if you wish, check the settings tab. Secondly, head over to www.doom9.org and look into mpg to avi conversion guides. Short summary: you need dgindex, avisynth and virtualdub.

niceguy321

05-18-06, 05:51 PM

twitchee3

05-18-06, 07:10 PM

twitchee3

05-18-06, 07:11 PM

Hi, I've done this once before with the old set of directions that had you pick like what kind of device it was"panasonic tape i think" but now I'm trying to get it setup on a computer w/o MCE (thats why firestb.zip does not work). Does anyone have these?
firewire.zip will work for an XP (non MCE) system. Just unzip it, install, plug in the firewire, open CapDVHS, select AV/C Tuner, and hit record.

niceguy321

05-18-06, 08:57 PM

Ok, thats good, but I cannot seem to find firewire.zip. All I saw in the original post was to follow the download link for it (which i cannot find).

twitchee3

05-18-06, 09:11 PM

Ok, thats good, but I cannot seem to find firewire.zip. All I saw in the original post was to follow the download link for it (which i cannot find).
Download THIS FILE, THIS is [firewire.zip]: http://www.accidentsworld.com/tgb/firestb.zip

doug95640

05-18-06, 09:45 PM

ak3883

05-19-06, 12:02 AM

i am in a fix. i have a dtv with tivo and i want to transfer some of the things i have recorded to my computer so i can put them on dvd for my own personal use later. does anyone know how i can do that? please email me and let me know if i am spinning my wheels or if it can be done. subject fix dtv

TIVO boxes don't have firewire output ports, do they? I'm pretty sure they dont, in which case you are SOL, sorry man!

weldon

05-19-06, 12:15 AM

i am in a fix. i have a dtv with tivo and i want to transfer some of the things i have recorded to my computer so i can put them on dvd for my own personal use later. does anyone know how i can do that? please email me and let me know if i am spinning my wheels or if it can be done. subject fix dtv
Video extraction from a tivo is a banned topic here and at the sister site of www.tivocommunity.com . If you want to search around on your own, you will likely find some info on it though.

twitchee3

05-19-06, 12:22 AM

TIVO boxes don't have firewire output ports, do they? I'm pretty sure they dont, in which case you are SOL, sorry man!
TiVo's do not have firewire, but he is not SOL, as it has and can be done, but i will not specify further details here.

Donjo

05-19-06, 06:18 PM

I am trying to use my moto 6200 box along with MCE and I keep getting the Error 800705AA: Cannot Start Capture while tryin to use CapDVHS. I downloaded the update and when I tried to run it I get an error that says "KB885222 Setup Error: Cannot create a file when that file already exists" and the install cancels. I guess this means I already downloaded the update (probably automatically). Any ideas?

Arniem

05-19-06, 10:46 PM

I have a DCT3412 and was able to load the drivers using the drivers described in this thread, and used CapDVHS to capture about 2 hours (~ 3GB) that was recorded on the DCT3412 from ESPN2.

The settings in CapDVHS were:
Convert 188 bytes
Check PTS
Delete to SyncByte
Used .ts for all file extensions

Opened HDTV2DVD, and tried to drag the .ts file to the asset window, but nothing happened. The file didn't appear in the assets. Also, the icon for the .ts file is the Windows generic (unrecognized file type) icon.

Any ideas what happened or how to import the file into a program that can read it?
Thanks

niceguy321

05-19-06, 11:06 PM

I did download firestb.zip, and all that is in there is the firestb.msi file and readme.mht. The msi gives me an error that it requires MCE 2005.

Edit: Nevermind, I just used the internet archive and found the post from an older date. Here is the link if anyone wants it:
http://web.archive.org/web/20050312090019/http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=3818890

robneal81

05-19-06, 11:29 PM

Hello,

I have an Explorer SA4200HD box and I have never been able to get it to record via firewire. I've tried both drivers available on the web, CapDVHS, timmoore's MCE utility all with no luck. CapDVHS crashes instantly. MCE 2005 records for a few seconds, but the video is EXTREMELY choppy and unwatchable. Can anyone help? Here are my specs:

- Scientific Atlanta SA4200HD cable box with two firewire ports (I tried both)
- MCE 2005 (I tried a fresh install both before and after all the updates)
- I tried the XP SP2 Firewire patch
- Pentium D 2.8, 1GB RAM, 160GB SATA HDD
- Firewire port integrated on an Intel mothboard

05-20-06, 05:24 PM

First of all capdvhs can produce .mpg program streams instead of .TS if you wish, check the settings tab.

I tried this. I check the "Output PS" box, which automatically greys outs the "convert 188" selection. If I then record, I get nothing but an empty file. If I uncheck the PS box, I get a file with a transport stream.

timecop

05-20-06, 11:37 PM

I tried this. I check the "Output PS" box, which automatically greys outs the "convert 188" selection. If I then record, I get nothing but an empty file. If I uncheck the PS box, I get a file with a transport stream.

shrug, works for me.

WhiteRabbit360

05-21-06, 01:26 AM

timecop

05-21-06, 03:21 AM

obviously you DIDNT search the thread.

Donjo

05-21-06, 11:14 AM

I did my best to search this entire thread, but I couldn't seem to figure it out. Anyways, on the very first step, with the drivers, firestb.msi, i run it and it wont work (I am on XP), it says it needs to be media center 2005. I thought this worked with XP? Are the drivers wrong now? Any help would be great

Here ya go (from the readme that comes with the msi file):

How do I install on a non-MCE machine?

The package by default checks for MCE 2005. However, the drivers and command line utilities are useful on non-MCE machines, to install on a non-MCE machine run the following command:

MSIEXEC /i firestb.msi IDENT=0

korsjs

05-21-06, 05:30 PM

has anyone received the code 19 error when trying to install the drivers? if so, any solutions without reinstalling windows? cpu does see the box but will not install drivers correctly

using windows mce
fios hd pvr
25 foot firewire cable 6 pin to 6 pin
amd x2 3800

timecop

05-21-06, 07:45 PM

amd x2 3800
that's the problem

korsjs

05-21-06, 08:12 PM

that's the problem

not compatible with duel core?

timecop

05-21-06, 08:44 PM

Are you by chance running it in the useless (also known as 64bit) mode?

korsjs

05-21-06, 08:57 PM

Are you by chance running it in the useless (also known as 64bit) mode?

to be honest, i don't know if i am or not. how do i tell?

ak3883

05-21-06, 11:32 PM

to be honest, i don't know if i am or not. how do i tell?

I don't believe MCE supports 64bit, shouldn't matter if he has a 64bit CPU or not. Only version of windows that supports 64bit is XP 64bit edition, and that is clearly marked/distributed as such. You can't just go into Best Buy and buy it by accident, I don't think.

CPU is running 64 bit, but the OS can't take advantage of it.

Now dual-core is different, and might cause the problem... i have no clue

amg_eric

05-22-06, 12:10 AM

i tried to do a search but the results were massive.

i can record fine via firewire. i have the dct6208 with firmware 8.14. win xp pro sp1.

most of my channels are not locked down espeically the hd ones they are all set to 0. in other words the 5C IMPLEMENTATION looks to be minimal.

i was wondering if anyone had an answer to the pc recording of previously recorded shows. it seems i can only record some of the saved dvr's onto pc without a problem. i checked the channels to see if they have 5c enabled and they didnt. can a recording have its own 5c? if so how do you find out what it is? finding out what channels have the 5c was easy but i cant seem to find out if the dvr recordings have different ones then the channel i record them from.

for example i can record say a show i record on hgtv and it moves over to the pc perfectly in .ts using capDVHS.exe then i processit with hdtv2dvd. however i then playback say this show called "Rides" on Discovery Channel HD and i get a large file that cant be added into HDTV2DVD.

Lee11

05-22-06, 09:15 AM

Opened HDTV2DVD, and tried to drag the .ts file to the asset window, but nothing happened. The file didn't appear in the assets. Also, the icon for the .ts file is the Windows generic (unrecognized file type) icon.

for example i can record say a show i record on hgtv and it moves over to the pc perfectly in .ts using capDVHS.exe then i processit with hdtv2dvd. however i then playback say this show called "Rides" on Discovery Channel HD and i get a large file that cant be added into HDTV2DVD.

I have encountered this problem several times, each time I was able to resolve by one of the following methods:
1) Re-save the file using HDTV2MPEG2, openign the file and then converting to a .ts file with another file name.
2) Trimming out the lead in to the program and then re-saving using HDTV2MPEG2

I haven't really found a pattern but I believe it doesn't like it when the specs change, say frame rate or resolution. I seem notice the problem more when the recording starts with SD and then changes to HD. But it is not always the case.

I say just try re-writing the files using a .ts editor of some kind, it has worked very consistently for me.

Good Luck.

amg_eric

05-22-06, 10:42 AM

I have encountered this problem several times, each time I was able to resolve by one of the following methods:
1) Re-save the file using HDTV2MPEG2, openign the file and then converting to a .ts file with another file name.
2) Trimming out the lead in to the program and then re-saving using HDTV2MPEG2

I haven't really found a pattern but I believe it doesn't like it when the specs change, say frame rate or resolution. I seem notice the problem more when the recording starts with SD and then changes to HD. But it is not always the case.

I say just try re-writing the files using a .ts editor of some kind, it has worked very consistently for me.

Good Luck.
1) can you provide a link to that proggy? hdtv2mpeg2
2) i tried just a sample in hd from "rides" using capDVHS and no luck. so i am guessing it might be the converting program i am using.

HouseOfPancakes

05-23-06, 12:17 AM

twitchee3

05-23-06, 01:19 AM

Hey guys awesome info you got on here I was able to get everything up and running fairly easily except for one problem. Analog channels record and I can watch them just fine through vlc. Digital channels on the other hand to not record or show up at all. I tried to look through the 89 pages of info on here but I couldnt find anything. Is it because im using an HDMI connection on my box and thats enabling DHCP?

Any help you guys can give me would help a lot

Thanks guys

the box I have is a DCT6412 III

HMMM after looking more into it I can get some digital channels to come in. I guess this is that whole 5c or whatever hmmm im not really sure.
That's "HDCP" and it sounds like 5c to me, but i doubt 5c is WIDELY enforced with the "copy never" flag. If you think it may be HDMI, temporarily unplug HDMI, use component to your display, and try to record the channels you are unable to, see what happens then. What channels are being blocked?

iamtarun

05-23-06, 04:20 AM

In the southbay area,ca (around mountain view), most of the digital channels are 5c protected.

some important channels i checked: mtv2, showtime, inhd, inhd2

too bad .. :mad: :mad: :( :(

Lee11

05-23-06, 08:40 AM

1) can you provide a link to that proggy? hdtv2mpeg2
2) i tried just a sample in hd from "rides" using capDVHS and no luck. so i am guessing it might be the converting program i am using.

http://www.eecs.umich.edu/~balazer/HDTVtoMPEG2/

Grab the latest version. As updates are available I believe they will be posted here as well.

Good Luck

blackdiamond

05-23-06, 12:44 PM

I have a Samsung DLP, the HLR 5667W, with firewire ports and would like to know if anyone else with a Samsung DLP has successfully been able to record mpeg2 to their PC's using this method.

Thanks in advance.

ak3883

05-25-06, 03:12 PM

I have a question. So if I plugged a cable from my PC into the other firewire port on my TV or DVHS deck, would my computer see all the devices on the firewire network? I have seperatly hooked up the 6412 and my DVHS deck and have them configured so when I plug them in the drivers are set. I guess the computer would also find the TV as well...

The reason I ask this is because my DVHS deck uses a 4pin, and the 6412 has 6pin, and I'd love to just have 1 long cable from the computer to one of those devices and be able to access both. Preferably the DVHS since the 6412's firewire is so finicy anyway.

twitchee3

05-25-06, 03:31 PM

jriskin

05-25-06, 07:45 PM

So I got a new SA 3250HD cause my old one was being a bit flakey and tried reinstalling everything and ... same problem. Most SD channels are either fine or a tad glitchy, HD channels not working.

So I was messing around in GraphEdit and if i'm tuned to a SD channel like HBO its fine, change the channel to HD HBO and a couple frames of picture and freeze...then it throws up this error

The graph could not change state.
A Device attached to the system is not functioning.
(Return code: 0x8007001f)

Any advice? I wonder if newer drivers would help, but i tried meistb.zip and its now requiring MCE 2005 to even install anything...

Any help?

timecop

05-25-06, 10:24 PM

I have a question. So if I plugged a cable from my PC into the other firewire port on my TV or DVHS deck

Yes, you certainly can.
However, don't loop the final device back into PC.

PC -> firewire -> DVHS -> firewire -> Tuner is valid, but something like
PC -> firewire -> DVHS -> firewire -> Tuner -> firewire -> PC is not.

you can also do something like
PC -> firewire -> DVHS -> firewire -> Tuner
-> firewire -> TV

etc.

bobmct

05-25-06, 11:37 PM

Well, After reading just about ALL the threads about this subject I purchased a firewire pcmcia card for my laptop and a firewire cable and downloaded the recommended drivers and programs followed by a connection to my DVR and Voila! I was able to record something from the damn thing!!!

OK - Now I have a question I haven't seen answered yet. Perhaps someone can help me?

First, using Capdvhse to capture and record the file(s) it appears ALL the files it creates are ".mpg" format whether or not I code the .ts as the filename extension. Is this normal?

And, I have quite a number of recorded programs on my DVR. Some record just fine when played back but others, actually some childrens shows from noggin, and a few others, look like they're recording... but they're NOT!

I noticed that the screen that shows the aspect ration, bit rate, etc shows EMPTY when recording these. When I try to play the recorded files I get an "invalid file" error message with my player (WinDVD). So, My guess is that these must be "Protected" programs. Am I guessing correctly? Is this too normal behavior for Capdvhse?

And, one final question... As I don't have a DVD burner in my laptop, can anyone recommend what program to use to burn DVD's on a Linux box with a burner???

Thanks all for an interesting thread.

bobmct

gjgman

05-26-06, 12:05 PM

akSun

05-26-06, 01:23 PM

Question:

I have motorola STB (6200) from Comcast. Can I record shows just by using firewire connection and without using any other hardware (like a tuner card) ?

Thanks.

(I have tried to find if my question has been answered in this long thread, but don't think it is there. If I have missed it, please point me to the post where this has been answered-)

rickfaldo

05-26-06, 02:00 PM

try this site.....http://replayguide.sourceforge.net/dct6412/
I can 't get mine to work but because I am out of my field of expertise when it comes to technical stuff like this. Love the idea, bought all the bits and pieces but need DCT6412 Firewire capture and HD/SD to DVD for Dummies I think...

SK8_MD

05-26-06, 04:47 PM

twitchee3

05-26-06, 11:38 PM

Just recently joined and I'm looking for drivers for the DCT 3412 set top Motorola cable box so I can record to my PC...I have WinXp Professional and so far all I have found is programs that will only run with WinXp MCE...Can anyone out there give me a clue, point me in the right direction? Would appreciate it
Question:

I have motorola STB (6200) from Comcast. Can I record shows just by using firewire connection and without using any other hardware (like a tuner card) ?

Thanks.

(I have tried to find if my question has been answered in this long thread, but don't think it is there. If I have missed it, please point me to the post where this has been answered-)
Your questions are answered in the FIRST POST of this thread. Yes, it can be done. All you need is a Motorola DCT 62xx HD set top box with firewire ports, a firewire cable, a firewire cable, and a PC running Windows XP (Home, Professional, or Media Center). Certain functionality will be limited on non-MCE versions of XP, but recording of HD, SD, and some report SD analog can be acheived with all versions of XP via firewire and CapDVHS. The FIRST POST has EVERYTHING you need, including the drivers and software required. Reading the FIRST post or even the title of this thread should have given you guys a hint. Sorry if i sound a little rude, but how could the first post be confusing? It's pretty clear to me.

MikeScuba5

05-27-06, 02:00 AM

twitchee3

05-27-06, 03:55 AM

I will greatly appreciate anyone that would take the time to review my situation. It seems like it should work, but doesn't, which baffles me.

I have spent a lot of time with Comcast customer care and tech support about the firewire compatibility on a Motorola DCT6200 Box and they deny it. I know its possible because my computer detects it with the drivers installed from the beginning of this thread. MyTray Program does not list the Tuner 1 or 2. The option to enable live TV is greyed out meaning i can't check that box.

Anyway, my MCE will not recognize my TV Tuner. My computer detects it and says it's running properly in Device Manager but MCE will not recognize. In MCE settings it won't detect under TV. I installed the drivers for the A/V Panel and A/V Tuner automatically and disabled the Unknown Device in Device Manager like the manual suggests with firestb drivers.

My Hardware:
Dell Laptop XPS M170 w/ MCE 2005 (latest software version)
Includes nVidia 7800 Ultra video card
Motorola DCT6200 w/ firmware 08.14

Do I need some nVidia drivers or something.

Please help, I'm getting delirious. Would appreciate some help. Thanks.
Your best bet is to first try different combinations of unplugging the STB or computer while the firewire is connected or unconnnected. Try different combinations and if it still will not work, re-install Windows.

Whitebread

05-29-06, 09:36 PM

timecop

05-29-06, 10:15 PM

Well, its been nearly 3 years since I logged in, but I have a question.

I setup up a Motorola DCT-6200 cable box for firewire recording and viewing, but, I can only record and view a handful of randomly distributed channels. The rest just do not show up in VLC. Basically I can watch channels 2-32, except 31, 48, 205, and all the music choice channels, and nothing else. Help please??????

Sounds like 5C copy protection.
Are "handful of randomly distributed channels" happen to be locals (ABC/PBS/etc)?
Go into diagnostics mode in your 6200 and look for "5C = ??" in one of teh screens.

twitchee3

05-29-06, 11:03 PM

Sounds like 5C copy protection.
Are "handful of randomly distributed channels" happen to be locals (ABC/PBS/etc)?
Go into diagnostics mode in your 6200 and look for "5C = ??" in one of teh screens.
If it's not happening on any local channels, my bet is that it's 5c. Are they all digital channels? Does your cable company digitally simulcast in your area?

Whitebread

05-30-06, 12:02 AM

I get all the local chanels in both SD and HD and a few networks, like EPSN2. I'll look for that encryption page, but a quick look revealed nothing. I do no know what digitally simulcast is but I can look into it. I live in central new jersey, about 10 minutes from trenton.

Whitebread

05-30-06, 12:08 AM

There is nothing about encryption in the menus but I will give you guys the configuration.

Model:DCT
S/W Ver:72.46
Message: (changes usually every second but is always 333xx)
status: changes along with the message catagory
A/B: Disabled
output:0
Region:0
MCA: 0-3, 1-8194,2-16389,3-34031
Unit ID:000-03666-77460-114
Disconnect: No
Return: RF
IPPV: Yes
Stereo: Unknown 2
IR BLast: Yes
Firmware: 08314
NTSC/PAL: NTSC

Whitebread

05-30-06, 12:17 AM

Found out how to check diagnostics. The diagnostics tools said that both chanels I cound view and chanels that I could not view are digital and the encryption was 256 QAM.

Whitebread

05-30-06, 12:18 AM

So then yes, tv is sumlticast in my area.

Whitebread

05-30-06, 12:28 AM

O, just to add. I found some information
1394 active ports: 1
5c implementation:1

Does this mean that only 1 of the two firewire ports will work correctly? And that 5c encryption is whats causing more than half of my channels to not be viewable?

Whitebread

05-30-06, 12:45 AM

Ok guys, sorry for the large number of posts but I finally have an answer for you guys. Yes, it is a 5c problem. ALL the channels (even teh HD ones) that I can watch have:
5c:0
in my STB's diagnostics menu where as all the ones I cannot watch have 5c:1.

Can I get around this? And, if I can watch some HD channels that do not have 5c encoding, why can't I record them?

jthissen

05-30-06, 12:53 AM

5c=1 means it has 5c encryption, there is no work around for it.
I relied to your PM on the Hardforum. ;)

Whitebread

05-30-06, 12:56 AM

jthissen

05-30-06, 01:06 AM

I will greatly appreciate anyone that would take the time to review my situation. It seems like it should work, but doesn't, which baffles me.

I have spent a lot of time with Comcast customer care and tech support about the firewire compatibility on a Motorola DCT6200 Box and they deny it. I know its possible because my computer detects it with the drivers installed from the beginning of this thread. MyTray Program does not list the Tuner 1 or 2. The option to enable live TV is greyed out meaning i can't check that box.

Anyway, my MCE will not recognize my TV Tuner. My computer detects it and says it's running properly in Device Manager but MCE will not recognize. In MCE settings it won't detect under TV. I installed the drivers for the A/V Panel and A/V Tuner automatically and disabled the Unknown Device in Device Manager like the manual suggests with firestb drivers.

My Hardware:
Dell Laptop XPS M170 w/ MCE 2005 (latest software version)
Includes nVidia 7800 Ultra video card
Motorola DCT6200 w/ firmware 08.14

Do I need some nVidia drivers or something.

Please help, I'm getting delirious. Would appreciate some help. Thanks.

1st of all, don't let Comcast give you the run around.
FCC law says they have to provide you with a working firewire port if you want it.

Having said that, it sounds like it is working though.
If the device is showing up in Device Manager then you have installed the drivers and it should work.

Try shutting down your MCE front end and use capdvhs to capture some video and see if it works.
Also check and make sure you dont have 5c=1 in your diag menu on the cable box for a given channel.
Tune into a network station to check the capture as this will most likely not be 5c encrypted.
If it works check a channel like a movie channel to see if it is encrypted.
Trial and error is the key, unless of course you have 5C encryption, then you are just plain ****ed!!

jthissen

05-30-06, 01:09 AM

:(
Well needless to say I am not happy. I guess I just have to buy a capture card. Damn.

But one more question. I can watch discovery HD theater, but I cannot record, it. Why?

And yeah I saw that pm, thanks..haha

Capture card wont matter with 5C enryption, it won't be able to record those channels either.
I may be wrong here and someone can correct me if I am, but if it is encrypted I don't think it will record period.

As for DHDT, tune into the channel then go check the 5c flag.
If it is 5C=0 then there is no enryption and you should be able to record it.

jthissen

05-30-06, 01:14 AM

I guess I really am one of the lucky ones.
I have Comcast in Richmond VA and they dont have 5C on any of the channels yet....KNOCK ON WOOD!!!

HDTVFanAtic

05-30-06, 02:05 AM

Well, its been nearly 3 years since I logged in, but I have a question.

I setup up a Motorola DCT-6200 cable box for firewire recording and viewing, but, I can only record and view a handful of randomly distributed channels. The rest just do not show up in VLC. Basically I can watch channels 2-32, except 31, 48, 205, and all the music choice channels, and nothing else. Help please??????

Edit: I have WinXP home, not MCE

Interesting, this thread wasn't here 3 years ago.

Come to think of it, IEEE1394 STBs really didn't show up until 28 months ago with a Federal Manadate for compliance 26 months ago.

twitchee3

05-30-06, 02:30 AM

:(
Well needless to say I am not happy. I guess I just have to buy a capture card. Damn.

But one more question. I can watch discovery HD theater, but I cannot record, it. Why?

And yeah I saw that pm, thanks..haha
256 QAM is not encryption, it's the type of digital feed, and technically 5c is not an "encryption" either. It's a little flag that is sent digitally with the programming data and it tells any devices that might encounter the programming what they are "allowed" to do with the digital data. There is no workaround for 5c and a capture card cannot get around it either, that is, for digital and HD programming.

dr1394

05-30-06, 03:43 AM

and technically 5c is not an "encryption" either.
5C is most definitely an encryption technology. Do a google on "M6 cipher".

Ron

ZeggyZon

05-30-06, 06:00 AM

I've gotten the 6412 to record via firewire to a PC with no problems, at first. I've owned 2 6412's, I swapped one out because it was acting flakey. From my memory I could of sworn it recorded SD at 720x480 which was perfect for DVD but now with this second 6412 it records at 528x480 which is not so good for DVD. What happened? Any way around this (Highly doubt it)

The other problem is recording audio from the 6412 via optical SPDIF to a Montego DDL. All I get is static and I know for a fact I got it to work once somehow but I can't now. Is there some specific configuration the soundcard or software need to be for it to work? It does the same thing from a DVD player's optical out when its outputtng 2 channels, just static.

Right now if none of this can be resolved then I'm pretty much stuck with using a cature card but the one I got is really finecky with capture software.

Thanks, ZZ.

Whitebread

05-30-06, 06:55 AM

256 QAM is not encryption, it's the type of digital feed, and technically 5c is not an "encryption" either. It's a little flag that is sent digitally with the programming data and it tells any devices that might encounter the programming what they are "allowed" to do with the digital data. There is no workaround for 5c and a capture card cannot get around it either, that is, for digital and HD programming.
Well all digital STBs pass that flag, correct? If they pass it, along with the whole digital stream, why cant someone just write software that ignores the flag and plays/records the stream? It is my understanding that 5c just tells devices what to do with the stream and doesn't "hide" the stream the way a code system hides information. Do you understand what I'm saying?

O, and about the capture card, I can always record standard definition in analog, any capture card can do that. I'll just miss out on recording high definition, which is encoded anyway. Its a pain because it woudl be mre expensive and less elligant, but it woudl get the job done.

blackdiamond

05-30-06, 01:19 PM

Here ya go (from the readme that comes with the msi file):

How do I install on a non-MCE machine?

The package by default checks for MCE 2005. However, the drivers and command line utilities are useful on non-MCE machines, to install on a non-MCE machine run the following command:

MSIEXEC /i firestb.msi IDENT=0

Anyone else having trouble installing on a non-MCE machine. I have installed a fresh copy of WinXP SP1 and when I try to install the firestb.msi with the above command, I get an error that says I have a missing DLL. I tried clicking to install just the driver and I get the same error. Oh, and I had to install Microsoft .NET framework 1.1. What am I missing here?

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

timecop

05-30-06, 05:42 PM

What am I missing here?

1) you're installing SP1 in 2006
2) complaining about .net framework? haha.
3) if you don't want the msi/MCE junk, then download the zip with just the drivers.

blackdiamond

05-31-06, 03:22 PM

Ok, I installed SP2 and the firestb.msi file seems to install correctly. However, after I plug in the firewire cable and follow the instructions to install the "Tuner AV/C Device" device, it is showing up with the yellow exclamation in Device Manager. I guess this just doesn't work with my Samsung HLR5667W set?

scoombs

05-31-06, 03:45 PM

trueimage

06-01-06, 01:25 AM

I am unable to watch live tv via VLC as described, nothing comes up at all. I have a motorola 6200 and recording works (I tried analog, digital and hd channels for recording and watching: recording works, watching does not)

It just starts counting in the bottom left corner, but the window stays small and doesnt expand for the video section.

I have tried VLC 0.8.5 and the latest nightly build, no go.

Any ideas?

My system is an A64 3200+/1GB ram

blackdiamond

06-01-06, 10:06 AM

Open the readme file, scroll down to the installing on non-MCE section, and use the switches specified.

Are you talking about:
MSIEXEC /i firestb.msi IDENT=0

If so, that is what I have already done.

Thanks.

trueimage

06-01-06, 11:33 AM

Are you talking about:
MSIEXEC /i firestb.msi IDENT=0

If so, that is what I have already done.

Thanks.

you are plugging in the cable from the stb directly to the pc right? have you tried the other firewire port if there is one? try unplugging, removing the device in device manager and rebooting. then try again. you are only installing for the first device that pops up, and cancelling the others.

blackdiamond

06-01-06, 02:18 PM

you are plugging in the cable from the stb directly to the pc right? have you tried the other firewire port if there is one? try unplugging, removing the device in device manager and rebooting. then try again. you are only installing for the first device that pops up, and cancelling the others.

I'm connecting from my pc directly to my tv, a Samsung HLR5667W. The Samsung has 2 firewire ports and I've only tried one. Once I plug it in I get about four devices, one of them being "A/V Tuner". I just followed the instructions on the first page of this thread. I didn't trying unplugging and retrying but I guess I'll give that a shot.

Thanks.

kklier

06-01-06, 03:44 PM

scoombs

06-01-06, 05:30 PM

I'm connecting from my pc directly to my tv, a Samsung HLR5667W. The Samsung has 2 firewire ports and I've only tried one. Once I plug it in I get about four devices, one of them being "A/V Tuner". I just followed the instructions on the first page of this thread. I didn't trying unplugging and retrying but I guess I'll give that a shot.

Thanks.

Here is a quote from post #1929 from the originator of this thread. He was referring to a Mits set, not Samsung, but it may be a related issue. Did you try OTA, or just QAM?

Not sure what the problem is but I can tell you that QAM recording from the integrated tuner does not work.

Can't remember why but I do remember that it is not supported by Mitsu.

Recording OTA from the integrated tuner on a Mits is what I used to write the original post.

TheRock

06-02-06, 07:39 AM

5c has been enabled on all (both SD and HD) of the HBO, SHOWTIME , and STARZ channels from COX in Orange County in the past couple days. I have been able to record all of these in the past but I am no longer able to. Very lame. I pay a great deal of money every month for this programing. I should be able to make a copy if I choose.

This isn't going to entice me to buy a HD-DVD or Blu-ray Player. In fact, it will make me break the law by downloading these movies just in spite. And since I get my internet connection from COX they will pay in the longrun with huge (several gigs a day) downloads.

timecop

06-02-06, 08:00 AM

This isn't going to entice me to buy a HD-DVD or Blu-ray Player

But, this is exactly what blue-ray / hd-dvd is supposed to do.
It allows one-time copying of 5C programming, so that you can still archive.
Same as D-VHS allows you to do now. Why would you start downloading after 5C is enabled, when you can still timeshift on AV-HDD, archive on D-VHS, and in a few months, Blue-Ray/HD-DVD.

TheRock

06-02-06, 08:07 AM

Honestly? Because I am a cheap bastard. Being able to copy HD programming to my Computer through Firewire was very useful and inexpensive. I am not going to buy a HD-DVD or Blu-Ray player for at least a year or so. Not until one format becomes the norm and the prices come down. I am not going to spend thousands of dollars on a product that might be obsolete in 2 years.

delar

06-03-06, 03:09 AM

Not sure if anyone from my area has tried, but I was able to successfully hook up my 8300HD via firewire to my laptop. I was able to watch video using VLC and capture video with the tool in the first post.
Could you list all the details of your setup, including the firmware revision of your 8300HD?

yahoo! Serious

06-04-06, 03:17 AM

Long time lurker 1st time posting on this subject.I have SA8300HD with 11811sara Cox Arizona.Caping with Sony Vaio 118g 500Gig Sata II HDD raid 0.
I have successfully gotten the WXPMCE machine to accept the drivers and recognise the SA8300HD.Then changed the firmware to Pany DVHS deck per first instuctions.
Well Yesterday I dragged my Desktop into the livingroom again and fired it up.Went thru a ton of restarts and nags and finally got the capDVHS to capture as much as 5 minutes..off of my pre recorded 8300HD files in playback.
Bad thing was that capDVHS would create a fatal error then shut down.I would have to reboot to capture again.The recording times would varry from <1 to 5 minutes but all would end up crashing capVHS.I killed all other running apps still crashed.What is going on here and how can I fix this?
Y!S

Bxz

06-04-06, 12:31 PM

Does CAPDVHS also capture the closed caption in the stream? If it is, how to display it?

thx
BXZ

SK8_MD

06-04-06, 05:44 PM

Long time lurker .....What is going on here and how can I fix this?
Y!S
Can you find any clues in the system event logs?
>Control Panel >Administrative Tools >Event Viewer

timecop

06-04-06, 05:51 PM

Does CAPDVHS also capture the closed caption in the stream? If it is, how to display it?

thx
BXZ

Yes, they're captured as part of the TS stream.

How to display? You don't.

Captions in HD are EIA708, and I'm not aware of any software that isn't $1000+ which allows parsing and/or displaying them.

Doctor

06-04-06, 11:21 PM

TheRock

06-05-06, 01:12 AM

I'm installing on a non-MCE. Windows automatically installed the Tuner AV/C Device but it cannot find how to install the "Tuner AV/C Panel". When I go into CapDVHS, it says cannot find capture device. I thought when I had installed this a couple years ago on a different computer that there was more to the install process like selecting Panasonic DVHS or something. Any suggestions?

I should add that I'm using a Motorola DCT6412 III (under comcast) with a firmware of 12.31.

My setup might be different but I believe the following guide should work for you also. The biggest thing is to follow the instructions perfectly. It took me a long time to get mine working correctly because I wasnt paying close enough attention to the instructions and skipped a step. Before you try and install again you will probably need to remove the drivers that windows automatically installed for you. To do this you will need to go into the device manager and look for Tuner AV/C Device and any others installed and delete them. Make sure you dont delete any other items.

Here is the link to the guide. Credit to moyekj:

http://replayguide.sourceforge.net/dct6412/index.html

Hope some of this helped.

Doctor

06-05-06, 02:16 AM

Thanks. I got record working on the analog channels but apparently Comcast has now made all their digital channels 5c compliant. So this firewire feature is pointless.

gardners

06-05-06, 11:45 AM

The process worked great and I am able to record live TV. When I try to playback a recorded show and copy that over to my PC, CapDVH will not record the info. I was wondering how I can access the Hard drive on my motorolla 6xxx dvr or just record my saved recordings on the DVR over to my pc. Can I access the HD through the ethernet port?

weldon

06-05-06, 12:28 PM

No, you cannnot access the hard drive directly. You can only capture the A/V output via firewire as the program is being played on the 6412. Your failure to capture a recorded show may have to do with 5c copy protection being enabled on that program. Was it something from HBO or a premium channel perhaps?

Bxz

06-05-06, 04:29 PM

thx Timecop, hopefully some player will have that feature soon as HD gets more popular. The RCA2160 records and displays CC well on my sharp though.

Bxz

Yes, they're captured as part of the TS stream.

How to display? You don't.

Captions in HD are EIA708, and I'm not aware of any software that isn't $1000+ which allows parsing and/or displaying them.

gsr

06-05-06, 06:31 PM

Yes, they're captured as part of the TS stream.

How to display? You don't.

Captions in HD are EIA708, and I'm not aware of any software that isn't $1000+ which allows parsing and/or displaying them.

Both the accessDTV and MyHD software are capable of displaying the closed caption text (an accessDTV or MyHD card is required to utilize the software, but it's well under $1000).

timecop

06-05-06, 07:45 PM

Both the accessDTV and MyHD software are capable of displaying the closed caption text (an accessDTV or MyHD card is required

From website "Closed captioning is supported. Both the DTV caption (EIA-708) and NTSC caption (EIA-608) data can be decoded."

Wow, cool. This wasn't the case about a year ago when I last tried, but it seems revision 1.66 of MyHD drivers introduced this support. Great, thanks for the information.

gsr

06-05-06, 08:20 PM

From website "Closed captioning is supported. Both the DTV caption (EIA-708) and NTSC caption (EIA-608) data can be decoded."

Wow, cool. This wasn't the case about a year ago when I last tried, but it seems revision 1.66 of MyHD drivers introduced this support. Great, thanks for the information.

accessDTV has supported closed captioning since before I started working on the software, which was over 3 years ago now. The catch is that the support in accessDTV is only on the overlay window, not on the HD output from the card.

YarDost

06-07-06, 10:20 PM

Though I have started a seperate thread for this as well, I figured I may have a better chance of getting my question answered here. Here is the post:

The RCA DVRs model DVR 10 and DVR 2080 are on clearance for $25 each on the Thomson web site. You can get the details from www.techbargains.com.

This is probably a great deal for any one with a RCA DLP TV, though I am not sure if the HD is upgradable or not.

Question I have is does anyone know whether it would work with a Samsung DLP TV in general and HLR6168W in particular, which is what I have.

Item Number HC8512
Cost $25.00
Description
HI-DEF DVR WITH 80GB HARD DRIVE, MODEL DVR2080. CONNECTS VIA FIREWIRE TO SELECT RCA DLP TELEVISIONS. COMPATIBLE WITH RCA HDTVS SERIES W41, W42, W52, W151, W152, W163, W165, W263.

Item Number HC8355
Cost $25.00
Description
HIGH-DEF DVR WITH 80GB HARD DRIVE (MODEL DVR10) CONNECTS VIA FIREWIRE TO SELECT RCA HDTVS. COMPATIBLE WITH TV SERIES W41, W42, W52, W151, W152, W163, W165, W263.

Thanks.

walk

06-07-06, 10:26 PM

FOR MOTOROLA 3412 - ie Comcast HD-DVR with HDMI, Firewire, digital tuner ONLY model.

You need THIS INF file. The one listed for the 6412 in the first post WILL NOT WORK.

---> http://hdjunkie.com/tutorials.html (download the DRIVERS in STEP 1, first link)

Good luck. I got it to work, but seems like Comcast in my area puts 5c on almost everything. About the only thing in HDTV that I can record is "CSI" and "Law & Order" and crap like that from the HD local channels. Everything else, EVEN LOCAL SPORTS GAMES on 720 are 5c protected. Bummer.

timecop

06-07-06, 10:48 PM

Question I have is does anyone know whether it would work with a Samsung DLP TV in general and HLR6168W in particular, which is what I have.

Wow thanks for hte link
Ordered 2.

To your question - call samsung and ask if their tv supports controlling AVHDD.
If it does - you got it. There's nothign specific in these units that ties them to RCA.
They use a industry standard AV/C AVHDD protocol.

ak3883

06-08-06, 11:02 AM

Wow thanks for hte link
Ordered 2.

To your question - call samsung and ask if their tv supports controlling AVHDD.
If it does - you got it. There's nothign specific in these units that ties them to RCA.
They use a industry standard AV/C AVHDD protocol.

Is that protocol just what is used to control firewire devices from the TV? Like how I can turn on my DVHS deck, RR,FF,PLAY, STOP, RECORD all from the menu navigation on my TV? My guess is yes...

I also have a Samsung DLP, and for that price I might just get it anyway.

Stoon42

06-08-06, 01:31 PM

Some people have reported problems with CapDVHS.exe "capture device cannot be found" (Windows XP and Motorola 6412). I initially had the same problem and thought I had followed the instructions faithfully.

What I finally figured out was that I had somehow ended up with the "Motorola Panel AV/C Device (DCT-6412)" and NOT the "Motorola Tuner AV/C Device (DCT-6412)" driver installed. And since the text is similar, it is easy to look at the driver list and not notice the discrepency. Once I changed the to "Tuner" driver, everything started working fine.

So if anyone else is having a similar problem, double check this to make sure you have the right driver.

Thanks to all for all the information on this thread.

timecop

06-08-06, 07:47 PM

Is that protocol just what is used to control firewire devices from the TV? Like how I can turn on my DVHS deck, RR,FF,PLAY, STOP, RECORD all from the menu navigation on my TV? My guess is yes...

I also have a Samsung DLP, and for that price I might just get it anyway.

Yes, correct guess. And most newish TVs support doing the same to AVHDD devices just like DVHS deck.

Though the units are already sold out, as expected.
I'd guess more than 50% of people who bought them will just take out the HDD and trash the rest of the unit.

If you're one of those people, feel free to send me the empty boxes :)

scoombs

06-08-06, 08:52 PM

Yes, correct guess. And most newish TVs support doing the same to AVHDD devices just like DVHS deck.

Though the units are already sold out, as expected.
I'd guess more than 50% of people who bought them will just take out the HDD and trash the rest of the unit.

If you're one of those people, feel free to send me the empty boxes :)

I'm with you...I am much more interested in the chassis and the Indigita chip on the pcb that the HDD communicates with. I would love to figure out which bits to flip on a hard drive to be able to replace the 80 with a 500+.

stty0

06-09-06, 07:58 PM

I have firewire recording and viewing working via VLC and CapDVHS. One question is .. does MCE recognize a firewire connected DCT6200/6400 STB as a tuner to watch TV with? I would like to use the STB as a tuner in MCE. Perhaps I am missing the point here. Or, Do I need to connect the STB to an analog tuner card to view it that way? I am a bit confused and new to MCE. Simply trying to get MCE to recognize the firewire connected STB fails, it says it cant find a tuner. Is that even possible? I have read the readme in the firestb file, but am still unclear on this ...

Note that there is no other tuner in the MCE machine at the moment ... would adding an analog tuner allow MCE to recognize the firewire connected STB?

aj brun

06-10-06, 01:23 PM

I have a Motorola 6412 and Media Center PC. Why can't I get MCE to recognize my Motorola 6412's hard drive? Thanks AJB

a8vdeluxe

06-11-06, 10:51 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Donjo
Here ya go (from the readme that comes with the msi file):

How do I install on a non-MCE machine?

The package by default checks for MCE 2005. However, the drivers and command line utilities are useful on non-MCE machines, to install on a non-MCE machine run the following command:

MSIEXEC /i firestb.msi IDENT=0
____________________________________________________________ ________________________________________

THE ABOVE COMMAND DOES NOT WORK. I RECEIVE AN ERROR MESSAGE SAYING COMMAND DOES NOT EXIST. If anyone cares my specs are: Windows XP Pro w SP 2 on Asus A8Vdeluxe w AMD Athlon 3000.

Has anyone been able to run the MSIEXEC...... command with success. And then been able to run firestb without recieving error message( no MCE), so that drivers could be installed. If you could install drivers, could you reliably record/playback high definition OTA content ??

Slong

weldon

06-11-06, 04:19 PM

I have a Motorola 6412 and Media Center PC. Why can't I get MCE to recognize my Motorola 6412's hard drive? Thanks AJB
Most likely it didn't work because it's impossible for MCE to recognize the 6412 as an external hard drive. I know there are a lot of posts in this thread, but this topic has been covered many, many times.

The firewire port on the 6412 is an output for the a/v stream of whatever is being played on the box. This stream could be live TV or it could be the playback of a recorded program. It will be exactly what you see on the other outputs (component or otherwise) but without the on-screen menus. This is all the firewire port does. It is only an output for a digital a/v stream. It is NOT the same as an external hard drive with a firewire port.

When you want to record a program from the 6412 to your computer, you tell your computer to start capturing this output from the 6412 via firewire and you tell the 6412 to playback the program. When the program is finished, you tell your computer to stop capturing the stream on the firewire port. That's it.

blzinrasin

06-11-06, 08:21 PM

I read that windows vista is 5c compliant. Can it record 5c=1 content?

isamu

06-11-06, 09:58 PM

I read that windows vista is 5c compliant. Can it record 5c=1 content?

Good question

timecop

06-11-06, 10:20 PM

I read that windows vista is 5c compliant. Can it record 5c=1 content?
Where did you read this.
Perhaps you mean NSA's Common Criteria security standard, but then its abbreviated EAL1 through 7 so I'm not sure where you're getting 5C from, besides, '5C' is a function of hardware (the 1394 link layer controller) and not software (Windows Vista)...

jimre

06-11-06, 11:55 PM

Tried a search, but didn't find anything on this. Has anyone been able to get DCTrecord to work with the newer drivers (from http://replayguide.sourceforge.net/dct6412)? I have CapDVHS working fine with these drivers, but it captures everything into one giant file. Would prefer DCTrecord's ability to split into smaller files. Is there perhaps an issue with DCTrecord being hard-coded to look for the old device name? Something like "Microsoft AV/C..." vs. "Motorola DCT..." ?

Is there an updated DCTrecord.exe, or am I totally on the wrong track here? Thanks....

trueimage

06-12-06, 01:03 PM

timecop

06-12-06, 08:59 PM

setup a 'watch timer' on your STB to change the channel.
setup capdvhs timer recording as usual.
there's also a command-line app in the mce tools to change channel. you can try using that inside a windows scheduled task to change channel.

gyrospazjohn

06-13-06, 10:28 PM

Bob14567

06-13-06, 11:25 PM

Hi, sorry if this is annoying, but I have the Motorolla DCT6416 III from Cox, and I have the firewire cable connected from the back of the unit to my computer. Now, according to these directions, it should pop up and say "Found New Hardware" and I'm to go from there, but it doesn't say "Found New Hardware". I'm using Windows MCE 2005, is there any way to do this manually so it works? Does anyone have a solution? Sorry if this has been asked before. Thanks!

John

I'm with Cox in southeast Louisiana and have looked into it extensively. I also have the same STB. The upshot is that Cox in this area has *no* firewire enabled boxes, so, if you're in the same area, I'm afraid you're out of luck as far as Firewire goes. I'm using a capture card with component and s-video inputs to record. Unfortunately, the card will not record HD via the component inputs. I still have yet to record the HD via the s-video input and burn to DVD to check quality on a large screen TV (37").

Bob

gyrospazjohn

06-13-06, 11:37 PM

I figured it out- the problem was with my firewire card. I have the DVR connected now, all I have to do now is try to figure out how I can transfer my already recorded programs to my PC. (I'm in CT, by the way :) )

Johnny Canuck1

06-14-06, 01:22 AM

Hi guys:

I am currently trying to record FIFA World Cup games from my Motorola 6412 to my PC.

The material off of my cable provider (Shaw) is taken at 1080i (From TSN HD and Sportsnet HD).

I am using CapDVHS to copy the .ts (transport stream) from the motorola box to my PC. The transferred .ts video plays smoothly on my PC with no visual or frame issues.

When I used Nero Vision Express (in Nero Suite 7) to burn a game, the close-ups, still action looks great, but the action sequences are jerky (e.g. when the players run or the ball moves quickly) and there is a lot of misquito noise around the ball.

The original .ts stream on my PC looks fine, so I know the problem has something to do with the encoding process when the 1080i stream is changed to 480i by
NVE.

I then tried using HDTV2DVD to do the encoding (of the .ts stream to DVD), and while it eliminated most of the mosquito noise, the video was still really jerkly when there is a lot of movement on screen.

1)
Anyone know an encoder (or simple process) I can use to eliminate this problem?
I gather the problem seems to be with redudant frames in the 1080i material to inverse the interlacing to reclaim the film frames or something like that.

The quality of the soccer games (converted from .ts) is ruined by the jerkiness.

2)
Anyone know a .ts audio repair tool that can (Safely) work with .ts streams taken from a 6412 box (for slight audio irregularities).

Thanks

JC

========================================================
Video Details:
File Type: TS Stream
Dimensions: 1920 X 1080
Frame Rate: 29.97 FPS
Encoding: MPEG 2
Aspect Ratio: 16/9
Bit Rate: 25.000 Mbps
Profile: Main/High
Chroma: 4:2:0

Audio Stream: AC3
Bit Rate: 384 Kbps
Channels: 5.1
Sampling Rate: 48000 HZ
========================================================

timecop

06-14-06, 01:23 AM

Check out my comments in http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=687192 where i mentioned how to write a script to make 1080i into anamorphic 480p for DVD authoring.

Johnny Canuck1

06-14-06, 01:02 PM

Check out my comments in http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=687192 where i mentioned how to write a script to make 1080i into anamorphic 480p for DVD authoring.

While I do use Womble Video wizard DVD to edit out my commercials (And to seperate the game into 4 parts:
-Intro
-First Half
-2nd Half
-Postgame

I was hoping for some sort of encoder that could do steps 2-4 automatically:

2) Use DGIndex to create d2v project and demux AC3/MPA audio/etc
3) Use Avisynth with appropriate script (drop fields, drop fields + decimate for 24p stuff, resize, etc) to create encode-ready 720x480 (anamorphic, if 16:9 content) video source
4) Encode the resulting AVS using your favorite MPEG2 encoder

to make it easier and faster (e.g. a few less steps).

Avisynth in particular seems a bit hard to use...

[Thanks for the link btw!]

Shadowbird712

06-14-06, 06:26 PM

Help!

I have a Motorola 6412 from CableOne, a Zonet 3+1 Firewire card, a 25 ft. Firewire cable, and nothing will work.

The 1394 net adapter has the Code 10 error, as does the 61883 Class Bus Device. My tuner's showing up as an Unknown device, and none of the drivers will install. I'm running XP SP2 with no media, which means the FiresTB won't even install. My motherboard's a slightly aged Gigabye GA-7VA-C, and it's been flashed to its maximum, but I've moved the card around between two PCI slots and it doesn't do a damn thing.

Have I wasted $40? Should I just shell out $100 at my local Wal-mart for a DVD Recorder (that supports DVD+RWs)? Am I going crazy for no reason? Please help!

slim79

06-14-06, 09:13 PM

Anyone here use CapDHVS (or something else) to schedule recordings and record from different channels?

I mean, say you schedule two recordings, one is on channel 300 the other on 301. I need to be able to say at 11:55am change to channel 300 the record until 1:05pm. then at 4:25pm change to channel 301 and record until 5:05pm. etc

Anyone know how to do this?

i use windows task scheduler to run channel.exe and even open CapDVHS prior to recording.

this is an example of my channel change task for changing to 778

Run : "C:\Program Files\Timmmoore\MCE 2005 STB Controller\channel.exe" 2 778

I usually schedule capdvhs to be opened prior to recording...rather than letting it run in the background all the time...for me this was more reliable.

if you use this method you will want to check:

Does not "Video Power Off" at reserve

in CapDVHS Settings Tab

Shadowbird712

06-15-06, 03:13 PM

Update: Well, the Net Driver issue was an easy enough fix...all I needed was a different Firewire card. But even with the card switched out, the 6412 still shows up as an Unknown device and will not install the drivers.

I'm really getting annoyed at the situation here, so would someone please help me before I destroy something in a fit of stupid rage?

walk

06-16-06, 08:15 PM

It took me a few tries too.
The trick is to CANCEL the first driver it wants to install.
Then install the 2nd.
Then CANCEL the 3rd.
THEN go to the Device Manager and DISABLE the 2 "unknown" devices. Do this BEFORE you reboot!!

Basically follow the instructions to the letter! Since you have the 6412 it should work (I guess) but if you have the 3412 you need the updated INF file.

Shadowbird712

06-16-06, 08:17 PM

The problem with following the instructions is that the instructions on Page 1 don't work for me. I don't have Media Center, so the Media Center program included on Page 1 won't work. Even the drivers won't install.

jlzhisname

06-17-06, 07:15 PM

Guys,

I havent recorded in a while but it did work a few months back. I recently formated and reinstalled XP w/ sp2 and all the drivers for my system. i.e. Timmore for my SA3250HD. The drivers install fine. After a reboot I open DVHS and try to record it looks like it is fine but after about 10 seconds it (DVHS) Crashes! I have tried everything and I get the same results. I even got Time Warner Cable to give me a new SA3250HD. I tried it with the new box and the same result.

Please assist. Any help would be appreciated!

Here are my specs:

P4 3.0 GHz
2Gb Ram
ASUS MB
Windows XP Professional SP2
Adaptec 3 port 1394 Card
SA3250HD running Passport (Dont know the Version)

THanks in advance!

jL

wwwin

06-17-06, 07:36 PM

Have done the most recent Windows Update for drivers, not just the critical updates?

jlzhisname

06-17-06, 07:37 PM

yes

jmonaco

06-18-06, 11:34 PM

Would anyone know what AV/C driver is needed (and where it may be found) for recording from a Pioneer Elite PRO-1120HD i.Link port to a Windows XP Pro SP2 machine w/on board Firewire?

timecop

06-19-06, 12:03 AM

Would anyone know what AV/C driver is needed (and where it may be found) for recording from a Pioneer Elite PRO-1120HD i.Link port to a Windows XP Pro SP2 machine w/on board Firewire?

AV/C Tuner.
Use the meidvhs drivers mentioned at beginning of this / earlier thread and keep in mind that you will most likely not be able to record shows received via CableCard, and only OTA HD.

jmonaco

06-19-06, 01:19 AM

Thanks for the lead.

Installed the driver. The Pioneer PRO-1120HD sensed the computer is attached to the i.Link port but a message on the Pioneer TV said that the i.Link device is not controllable. Scanning through configuration options for the i.Link device on the TV, it says that no i.Link devices are connected.

I figured I needed more than just the driver and after searching this thread, I saw the reference for the CapDVHS utility. Found ver. 0.3.0.6 on the Internet. Upon running it, it said "Cannot Find Capture Device."

Would you know what pieces or steps I may have missed?