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stout187

12-11-05, 02:40 PM

I followed the guide ..and recording works fine ...but the very top of the video is distorted ...just a very small portion of the screen ....any suggestions ..thanks

weldon

12-11-05, 02:48 PM

I'm pretty sure that the "noise" at the top of the video is normal. This is considered to be part of the overscan area that won't display on a TV. I've even heard that closed captioning is transmitted in the video stream by using part of this overscan area, but I don't know definitively that this is true.

ylsf

12-11-05, 11:28 PM

JimVR4

12-12-05, 11:38 PM

I had trouble getting the original set of drivers to work under Windows MCE. Using these drivers http://replayguide.sourceforge.net/dct6412/index.html I was able to get captures working properly under MCE. The installation instructions are also updated so they more closely follow XPSP2 with or without MCE so it's easier to get it right the first time.

JimVR4

12-12-05, 11:47 PM

I posted a thread in the computer forum because I wasn't sure where to post it.

I can't link that thread to here because I have less than 5 posts....

I have been able to capture okay, so, but on some programs when I record via firewire I can playback fine on my computer but I can't convert it to standard MPG or another format (i.e. I can't load it into VideoReDo or HDTV2MPGE)

It pixelates right at the beginning of the firewire capture no mater at what point I capture the video...

ANy help would be appreciated
What happens when you try to load it into H2? I had some trouble with some files where there were changes in format. This happened because I changed the 6412 from TV to DVR so I could playback a previously recorded movie. Some of the time these transitions would confuse H2. Someone posted a utility called PRM earlier in this thread. PRM fixes the Packet Identifiers (PIDs) during these transitions. After fixing the file H2 would have no problems processing it.

RandyBee

12-13-05, 12:52 AM

I posted a thread in the computer forum because I wasn't sure where to post it.

I can't link that thread to here because I have less than 5 posts....

I have been able to capture okay, so, but on some programs when I record via firewire I can playback fine on my computer but I can't convert it to standard MPG or another format (i.e. I can't load it into VideoReDo or HDTV2MPGE)

It pixelates right at the beginning of the firewire capture no mater at what point I capture the video...

ANy help would be appreciated

If I have a file that appears to play fine but VideoRedo or HDTV2DVD won't load it I use MPEG2Repair it's freeware and if you do a search on this forum you should find a link. After it is done the file will usually load in VideoRedo etc. for further processing. Hope this helps!

Cucuy

12-13-05, 03:15 AM

Hi,

I just started reading about how to archive stuff from my Comcast Motorola 6412 on to my XP PC. Upon reading I found out about the 5c flag and while looking its value in the setup screen I noticed that the ieee1394 ports are not active in my box? Pic attached below

Does 0 means IEEE 1394 is unactive?
Is this controlled by Comcast or Motorola?
Does this mean I can not record from the box to my XP PC?

IndieRockSteve

12-13-05, 10:08 AM

mystere2

12-13-05, 10:56 AM

Cucuy,

Mine say the same thing. As long as it says they are installed you are fine. That value doesn't show a 1 unless they are currently being used. Good Luck,

E

gsr

12-13-05, 08:38 PM

Do any XP users have issues changing channels over the firewire port? I'm a MythTV user and many of us are finding we get errors when changing channels. I'm tryng to figure out what the problem is so we can fix it, so I was wondering if any Windows users have the problem?

Not all tuners support changing the channel over the firewire port, so it's probably important to be specific about which tuner you're asking about. The HD tuner in my Mitsubishi WS-65909 RPTV is one that doesn't support changing channels of the firewire port.

IndieRockSteve

12-13-05, 10:42 PM

Not all tuners support changing the channel over the firewire port, so it's probably important to be specific about which tuner you're asking about. The HD tuner in my Mitsubishi WS-65909 RPTV is one that doesn't support changing channels of the firewire port.

true ;-)

I'm refering to the Motorola and Scientific Atlanta cable boxes that allow firewire control/streaming.

zhuzm

12-13-05, 11:08 PM

now i get this error message when i try and use capdvhs

80040217 cannot grab samplegrabber

Have you solved this problem? I'm having the same issue.

ylsf

12-13-05, 11:24 PM

So, I used PRM based on a suggestion above on one of my files.

I was able to load it up in Videoredoplus but after a few seconds I get the message "Video Thread: Video Dimensions Change" and then videoredoplus crashes!

I think what happened was I started recording before selecting the file for playback (so, it recorded a bit of normal tv). That change point is what is causing a problem. I can't recapture it via firewire because I deleted it off my 6412 already.

The other error code I am getting with another video file is that it is saying "unable to open <<then the file name>> No data found for requested program(s)"
I tried converting it/fixing it with PRM and MPEG2REPAIR but it didn't help.

I also tried converting using HDTV2MPEG but the problem was that the converted file was just a blank, empty mpeg...

stealyourface

12-15-05, 02:27 AM

Hi, I have been able to get this working with a Motorola DCT-6412. However, I am only getting video - not audio. Any idea what I've done wrong? Thanks!

speedy2747

12-15-05, 06:03 PM

It worked Very well for me.

I did what it says, at the top and got it first time.

I have tried all sorts before this, and nothing worked.

Im running a Sont MicroDV DCR-IP7E on XP

lazarus000

12-15-05, 06:04 PM

Have you solved this problem? I'm having the same issue.
no i haven't ... mine is still not working

sorry

lazarus000

12-15-05, 06:10 PM

slim79

12-15-05, 07:19 PM

I've got a 3250HD with firewire and WinXP, but I'm not seeing a DVHS entry under Panasonic. I'm seeing:

Panasonic Digital Tuner AV/C Device (TU-BHD100)
Panasonic Tuner AV/C Device
Panasonic Tuner AV/C Device (NV-DH1)
Panasonic Tuner AV/C Device (NV-DHE10)
Panasonic Tuner AV/C Device (NV-HDR1000)

Should I use one of them? Any ideas why I'm not seeing DVHS as an option?

have you tried using the installer from

http://www.thegreenbutton.com/community/shwmessage.aspx?ForumID=26&MessageID=104152

I actually posted the drivers a while back that are included in the install.

slim79

12-15-05, 07:23 PM

Hi, I have been able to get this working with a Motorola DCT-6412. However, I am only getting video - not audio. Any idea what I've done wrong? Thanks!

I am using Sonic's Video and Audio decoders. Do you know what decoder is being used?

slim79

12-15-05, 07:25 PM

Have you solved this problem? I'm having the same issue.

Are you installing the driver on the panel device instead of the tuner becuase I get that error if I select the panel device in capdvhs instead of the tuner device.

JimVR4

12-15-05, 07:27 PM

I am using Sonic's Video and Audio decoders. Do you know what decoder is being used?
Agree. This is a playback issue and likely related to codecs. The Decoder Check utility from Microsoft will at least show what video decoders are installed in your system. I'm using Nvidia PureVideo successfully.

slim79

12-15-05, 07:28 PM

Do any XP users have issues changing channels over the firewire port? I'm a MythTV user and many of us are finding we get errors when changing channels. I'm tryng to figure out what the problem is so we can fix it, so I was wondering if any Windows users have the problem?

if you could just PM me I'd appreciate the info!

thanks

I would also point you to:

http://www.thegreenbutton.com/community/shwmessage.aspx?ForumID=26&MessageID=104152

if you have not been there.

maddabbo

12-15-05, 09:34 PM

Digital Video Station MVS-500
mitinc

I can't post links yet as I'm very new here. But a search on those key words will show the STB that I'm looking into.

Has anyone successfully used this to get streams from Dishnet or Adelphia HD Digital cable to Windows XP using 1394??

Would it work??

Thanks much,

-mikey

RandyBee

12-16-05, 09:06 AM

I'm getting inconsistent results capturing with CapDVHS. I have to run MPEG2Repair before VideoRedo or HDTV2DVD will open the file. Sometimes I can't open it even after repairing. However I can almost always view the file in VLC Media Player or sometimes HDTV2Mpeg will open it. Any suggestions?

I saw someone talking about PRM is that another mpeg repair program?

Also is there a walkthrough anywhere for capturing transport streams using VLC Media player?

I tried to search for the above before asking without luck...

puck71

12-16-05, 04:15 PM

Hi, I have been able to get this working with a Motorola DCT-6412. However, I am only getting video - not audio. Any idea what I've done wrong? Thanks! Do you have an AC3 codec installed? How are you testing to see if you have audio or not?

jaggies

12-19-05, 12:50 AM

lazarus000

12-19-05, 07:05 PM

problem solved.

Take the instructions literally. I was using "browse" to find the path to the driver files. I had to *type* the path into the Have Disk dialog, rather than browsing to the path.

Sigh. There's two hours I'll never get back :(

--jim
ok, so do you have the exact name of the driver we should be looking for to manually input it.

it finds the meidvhs driver and installs it fine

its when you get to the "all devices" and then "panasonic" where i can't find the proper one listed.

thanks

nicklinus

12-19-05, 08:06 PM

hello I just got my 3250HD today and I am very mad at charter because they disabled the DVI on the box, but any way I deiced I should just use firewire so I found this forum and followed the directions and everything looked like it was working until I got to the point were I had to record with capDVHS I will open the program then go to data info and hit record and nothing happens excpet for numbers moving on the bottom of the app but not the size or bit rate or any of the stuff in the app. then i will try to play the .ts it made with VLC and it does nothing. I can not watch HDTV live with VLC either. any help would be great! thanks

jaggies

12-19-05, 10:59 PM

Ok, so I tinkered and tinkered, but I can't record a valid stream, even from local channels. I've got Comcast with a Motorola 6412 PVR. I'm in Sunnyvale, CA.

I have everything set up correctly as far as I can tell. I've selected Panasonic D-VHS in the device driver and CapDVHS sees the device correctly. When I try to record, it never updates the Data info tab in CapDVHS with stream properties.

Also, I can't play back the files it generates. The files grow as if it's recording (it saves around 2MB/s), but the file is not playable with any players I tried.

I've got a Motorola 6412 box with platform build version 12.13 (May 3 2005)

Looking at the Diagnostic screen of the PVR (pwr - ok) and under Interface Status (menu d11), I see the 1384 I/O device shows:

Active ports; 1
DataXmission: YES
5C Implementation: 0
Loop Status: No
Root Status: YES
Cycle Master Status: YES

Is it true that if the "5C Implementation" is 0, then the stream is unencrypted?

A friend of mine says what I'm seeing is a symptom of encrypted material. I've only attempted to record my local channels, but no dice. Why would my local channels be encrypted?

Does this mean I'm SOL?

Thanks for any advice.

Regards,

--jim

nicklinus

12-20-05, 12:02 AM

jaggies

12-20-05, 01:17 AM

well I got it to work with plain digital chanels but for some reason I can get any HDTV. Do you think it could be encrypted or is HDTV in anolog. Is thier a program that will record anolog? thanks!

This is exactly what I'm seeing too. :(

--jim

nicklinus

12-20-05, 01:23 AM

^^ well i know this app does not record anolog so I just don't know if HDTV is in anolog or digital.

Cucuy

12-20-05, 01:57 PM

^^ well i know this app does not record anolog so I just don't know if HDTV is in anolog or digital.

You don't want HDTV to be analog. That is what it used to be

nicklinus

12-20-05, 02:54 PM

You don't want HDTV to be analog. That is what it used to be

so if HDTV is digital that does not explain why I can capture my local HDTV channels.

JimVR4

12-20-05, 03:59 PM

I've got Comcast with a Motorola 6412 PVR. I'm in Sunnyvale, CA.

Active ports; 1
DataXmission: YES
5C Implementation: 0
Loop Status: No
Root Status: YES
Cycle Master Status: YES

Is it true that if the "5C Implementation" is 0, then the stream is unencrypted?

I'm in San Jose CA. I subscribed to Comcast Oct15 and until the end of November I was able to capture INHD1, INHD2, HDHBO and all the locals. Now only the locals work for me.

A 5C Implementation value of 0 on the channel indicates the channel can be copied freely.

edwyche

12-20-05, 05:38 PM

I want to be able to transfer the files to a DVD. What is the best way of doing that. I have a 2 hours program and it comes out being 7 gigs of space. I want to be able to burning it to a regular DVD not a DL. Can you tell me what tools to use to do that?

hjohns1

12-20-05, 08:46 PM

HDTV2DVD is a new freeware tool to simply convert your HDTV material to DVD. HDTV captures are MPEG-2 Transport Streams at either 1280 x 720p or 1920 x 1080i resolution yet DVD is typically MPEG-2 Program Streams at 720 x 480 (for NTSC). This means that to play HD material on a "normal" DVD player you have to convert the source. This is what HDTV2DVD does in a simple, user friendly way.

Load up your HDTV file (.ts or .tp), start the processing and HDTV2DVD will produce a VIDEO_TS DVD folder ready for you to burn!

http://www.svcd2dvd.com/HDTV2DVD/default.aspx

Bigfish6

12-20-05, 10:40 PM

I purchased a Motorola Dct 6412/2000 my cable provider says it is the wrong frequency and won't activate it... is this true or are they just lying to me cause they want to force me to purchase a new receiver through them at their outragous price? I hooked the receiver all up and I can view about have of the cable channels with out the receiver being activate with my cable provider... so the receiver must work if I get some channels coming through!??.. I purchased another receiver before this through my cable provider and it is a Dct 6412/2000 and they activated it no problem cause its their own receiver.... I purchased this new receiver privately..and is the exact same model Dct 6412/2000 as the one I purchased through my cable provider.. and they say they can't activate it??? Hmm... Is it true their are different frequency with in the same model of receiver Dct 6412/2000 ?? If so.. is their settings or way to change the frequency in a Dct 6412/2000 to make it compatible to the correct frequency of my cable provider??

slim79

12-21-05, 12:15 AM

HDTVFanAtic

12-21-05, 02:30 AM

Bigfish6

12-21-05, 12:11 PM

If you read he said he purchased one directly from them, thus unless he lives in Houston, where it supports both SA and Motorola, but TWC doesn't sell their boxes (so obviously he's not there) that isn't the issue.

As he doesn't tell us what market he's in or who his provider is, it hard to tell - but odds are 99% that the frequency excuse is bunk.

Cable Channels are standardized on frequency. Motorola uses the same encryption on their boxes. There is a chart on the Cisco website that has the cable frequencies for each channel (Analog/Digital/QAM) if you are interested.

Now, obviously they would have to to authorize the box to work on their network - changing it from a different network - which is most likely the rub.

I forgot to mention that I purchased the box from the u.s and am trying to activate it with my local Shaw cable provider here in Canada. I made sure I bought the correct model that will work here.. dct 6412/2000 will work in Can. and u.s I was told that the /2005 only works in the u.s. I all ready have a dct 6412/2000 that I purchased from Shaw cable and they activate it.. this 6412/2000 I bought from the u.s is the exact same receiver? Isn't it? I have it all plugged into my TV.. and used the "CoX" tv program guide.. it picks up half the channels on the Shaw cable system.. why can't they activate this same receiver and down load Shaws own program guide to replace the "Cox" program guide?? Shouldn't it be all the same frequency.. as is just an excuse so they don't want to activate it and fore me to purchase their over priced receiver from them? Isn't that consumer branding?!! or a Monopoly on a consumers.. could I report them to our local better business burrows??? Customers should have every right to go out and buy a Motorola Receiver other than a Cable providers receiver and still be able to activate them...

holl_ands

12-21-05, 01:00 PM

You should make an appt to talk to a TECHNICAL expert at Shaw...your box may need to be configured to operate on their system.
Of course if they don't want you to use your own box (like most cable providers do to prevent unauthorized service theft), you are SOL.

An STB talks to the Headend by way of an internal two-way cable modem.
The Forward Data Channel (FDC) downloads the software build to the STB after your STB has successfully negotiated authentication
from the Headend via the Reverse Data Channel (RDC).
The so-called OOB (Out Of Band) channel frequencies can be assigned anywhere within the 8-26.5 MHz (FDC) and 70-130 MHz (RDC) bands.

If you are picking up some channels, they are probably the unencrypted analog channels (below CH100) that any normal cable ready TV can receive.

imf4

12-21-05, 04:38 PM

I have two Comcast 6412s sitting one on top of the other. One is a Phase 2 (DVI) the other is a Phase 3 (HDMI). On the Phase 2, CAPDVHS can record all HD channels. On the Phase 3, it can record all the HD channels except an NBC affiliate I've power cycled both units and the behavior stays the same.

D11 is the same on all the HD channels on both DVR's, 5C=0. This includes the one channel that won't record over firewire on the Phase 3.

Looking at D6, there is a difference. On the Phase 3 the RC flag is 0 on all the channels that record, and RC is 1 on the one that won't. On the Phases 2, the RC flag is 2 on all channels. I don't know what the RC flag is.

There are other differences in the D6 flags between the Phase 2 and Phase 3 DVR's. However, these differences don't vary at all with the HD channel. APS and CIT are 0 on the Phase3, while APS is 4 with CIT 2 on the Phase 2.

Does anyone know what these D6 flags mean, particularly the RC flag which seems to predict the record problem on the Phase 3?

What about diagnostics from the PC side? CAPDVHS just fails to show a resolution or frame rate for the "bad" channel on the Phase 3. Is there a way to get a real error message?I know I am a little late answering this question but, I was told by Motorola that this is set by the local stations and is not set by the cable company. It stands for Redistribution Control Flag. It is set to 1 on 3 of my 5 locals so I can't record them through the firewire. Everyone I have talked to thinks it is the broadcast flag. I have tried to email all my local channels engineering departments but they just ignore it.

slim79

12-21-05, 06:25 PM

If you read he said he purchased one directly from them, thus unless he lives in Houston, where it supports both SA and Motorola, but TWC doesn't sell their boxes (so obviously he's not there) that isn't the issue.

As he doesn't tell us what market he's in or who his provider is, it hard to tell - but odds are 99% that the frequency excuse is bunk.

Cable Channels are standardized on frequency. Motorola uses the same encryption on their boxes. There is a chart on the Cisco website that has the cable frequencies for each channel (Analog/Digital/QAM) if you are interested.

Now, obviously they would have to to authorize the box to work on their network - changing it from a different network - which is most likely the rub.

it is my understanding that 75.25MHz is a standard downstream OOB frequency for motorola I don't think all boxes have the ablility to range for different frequencies any SA box in my area that had SA's standard OOB frequency and did not range for other frequencies would not work. i don't doubt that they know little about this or are full of BS I just thought it was a possibility that this was the case but if they support both it seems obvious this is not the issue.

frequencies to be used are standard where the channels lie and how many channels are in a particular QAM depends on your cable provider. with digital channels it is really just mapping a virtual number to the channel as EIA channel 85 might contain 12 digital channels in the 500s. it is up to the OOB to receive the map that tells it what digital channels are at what frequency. the analog tuner will tune without this.

slim79

12-21-05, 06:56 PM

I forgot to mention that I purchased the box from the u.s and am trying to activate it with my local Shaw cable provider here in Canada. I made sure I bought the correct model that will work here.. dct 6412/2000 will work in Can. and u.s I was told that the /2005 only works in the u.s. I all ready have a dct 6412/2000 that I purchased from Shaw cable and they activate it.. this 6412/2000 I bought from the u.s is the exact same receiver? Isn't it? I have it all plugged into my TV.. and used the "CoX" tv program guide.. it picks up half the channels on the Shaw cable system.. why can't they activate this same receiver and down load Shaws own program guide to replace the "Cox" program guide?? Shouldn't it be all the same frequency.. as is just an excuse so they don't want to activate it and fore me to purchase their over priced receiver from them? Isn't that consumer branding?!! or a Monopoly on a consumers.. could I report them to our local better business burrows??? Customers should have every right to go out and buy a Motorola Receiver other than a Cable providers receiver and still be able to activate them...

I would think if it can work it would have to be initialized by the cable provider(most likely at their office) this would trigger it to download the apps that control things like their interactive guide and vod control and their current firmware.

Matalvatz

12-21-05, 11:55 PM

nicklinus

12-22-05, 12:32 AM

If I play it live in VLC I get no sound, what do I do to fix this. O and to contuine my other porblem above, when I turn to a local HDTV channel in VLC it looks weird like the picture is their but it is real piczalaed anyway I think that might have to do with why I can record them. If any one has suggestions it would be great.

SA 3250HD
charter arrowhead node

nicklinus

12-22-05, 12:36 AM

^^ well I got the sound to work so never mind that part

nicklinus

12-22-05, 12:58 AM

I just tried backing up my DVR files for the first time and it worked great. Got them as .ts files. Only problem is a half hour show comes in at just under 1gb. Can these files be compressed with a program or is this as small as they get?

yea you can use virtualdub and edit out the comercails and then reencode in xvid,divix, or even h.264

HDTVFanAtic

12-22-05, 02:20 AM

I forgot to mention that I purchased the box from the u.s and am trying to activate it with my local Shaw cable provider here in Canada. I made sure I bought the correct model that will work here.. dct 6412/2000 will work in Can. and u.s I was told that the /2005 only works in the u.s. I all ready have a dct 6412/2000 that I purchased from Shaw cable and they activate it.. this 6412/2000 I bought from the u.s is the exact same receiver? Isn't it? I have it all plugged into my TV.. and used the "CoX" tv program guide.. it picks up half the channels on the Shaw cable system.. why can't they activate this same receiver and down load Shaws own program guide to replace the "Cox" program guide?? Shouldn't it be all the same frequency.. as is just an excuse so they don't want to activate it and fore me to purchase their over priced receiver from them? Isn't that consumer branding?!! or a Monopoly on a consumers.. could I report them to our local better business burrows??? Customers should have every right to go out and buy a Motorola Receiver other than a Cable providers receiver and still be able to activate them...

You have a stolen Cox Cable DVR that will never be able to be activated.

rhigareda

12-22-05, 06:51 PM

For some odd reason the link witht the drivers file is not available for me :(
What a bummer doesnt anyone have another link to the meidvhs drivers...sorry for being such a newb...

matthewm123451

12-23-05, 02:53 AM

Try saving the file to your desktop before opening. When I clicked on it directly I also had no files. Once I saved the file I could see the contents of the ZIP.

RandyBee

12-24-05, 09:07 AM

You have a stolen Cox Cable DVR that will never be able to be activated.

It is possible it is a stolen box but i doubt Shaw cable would recognize a box stolen from a Cox cable system. Cox does sell these DVRs to customers as well as rent. My guess is it is a difference between the ways Cox & Shaw have their systems setup.

RandyBee

12-24-05, 12:53 PM

ylsf

12-24-05, 04:42 PM

What assigns the PIDs?
Can they be changed after recording?
Why can VLC always read these files but the other programs can't?

I wish I knew the same answer. I can capture stuff with CapDvhs and VLC can play everything, but, I can't repair with any of the programs you listed in order to convert to an mpeg2.

RandyBee

12-24-05, 07:39 PM

I wish I knew the same answer. I can capture stuff with CapDvhs and VLC can play everything, but, I can't repair with any of the programs you listed in order to convert to an mpeg2.

Just a few questions to try and help.
When you record with CapDVHS does it populate the transfer info (other than the timer in the bottom left corner?) such as 720x480i 12.7 Mbps transfer rate etc.?
If not it is either a problem with the capture or a 5C/encryption issue.

If it does populate properly when did you start your recording?
I find that I have to bring up the DVR List, choose the file, select play and then pause it all BEFORE I start recording. After I hit record THEN I unpause the file. Don't ask me why but I find this creates less errors. I have had to start my recordings a couple minutes before start time to avoid cutting off the beginning of my files because I'm a perfectionist.

It seems that QuickStream Fix can't fix files enough for VideoRedo to open them but Mpeg2Repair will most of the time. If not then I'll use TStoATSC but some still won't open in VideoRedo so I may drop the program. I'm still refining my process but this is what I've found out so far.

ylsf

12-25-05, 12:30 AM

RandyBee:

Thanks for trying to help

The only info populated is Size, Aspect Ratio, Frame Rate, Bit Rate.

EDIT: Ok. I had some success last night with using Project X on one of the files I had problems with

http://www.videohelp.com/tools?tool=ProjectX

I used it on the one that I started recording before selecting the program on the list menu for playback. (i.e., ir was recording live tv via the firewire and then switched to transfering a pre-recorded capture via firewire). There was a ratio change (in the screen size) and whatever program I used (PRM, HDTVtoMPeg, Videoredo, mpeg2repair,etc) couldn't handle it.

So, that solved one problem. I am converting the resulting file to divx now (after using videoredo to take out the commercials...).

However, I still have issue with this other program that I can record on my HD ok and can view in VLC ok but I can't convert with any program! I will take a look at it again today in between family get togethers :)

Happy holidays everyone!

HDTVFanAtic

12-25-05, 01:44 AM

It is possible it is a stolen box but i doubt Shaw cable would recognize a box stolen from a Cox cable system. Cox does sell these DVRs to customers as well as rent. My guess is it is a difference between the ways Cox & Shaw have their systems setup.

Cox doesnt sell the boxes.

There is a database of serial numbers of stolen cable STBs, the same as exists for cellphones, that all MSO check, just like your cellphone company.

It will never be authorized on any system.

benven

12-26-05, 09:50 AM

newbie68

12-26-05, 06:29 PM

"Also please don't ask how to convert to DVD, or any other conversion question. There are plenty of thread dedicated to that topic also."

I know you have stated the above but if you could please respond...I am very new to all of this.

Can you point me to the link(s) that explain how to burn movies to DVD that were copied from the Motorola6400 to Windows XP? I don't think this is possible for HD but I believe it should be possible for standard programs. Are these files Mpg similar to the camcorder files I burn to DVD after I capture them from the camcorder?

Newbie

hjohns1

12-26-05, 08:11 PM

RandyBee

12-27-05, 12:34 AM

Cox doesnt sell the boxes.

There is a database of serial numbers of stolen cable STBs, the same as exists for cellphones, that all MSO check, just like your cellphone company.

It will never be authorized on any system.

I stand corrected. The friend of a friend I knew of who purchased a DVR rather than renting was an employee or knew an employee of Cox. Interesting how they track missing boxes, makes sense.

RandyBee

12-27-05, 12:50 AM

Great work everyone. I was able to record and watch live TV via Firewire. I have a DCT6412 phase I running on Cogeco cable up in Canada. No 5C yet. A couple of small things:

1. I am unable to change SD channels more than once while watching live on VLN. It locks up and I have to refresh the input device. HD channels are not a problem?? Any thoughts?
2. When capturing a stream in VLN, the live video disappears and it starts recording, but obviously you can't see what you are recording on your computer.
3. Running an Athlon XP1800 with 256 MB ram. this is not enought horsepower for live HD viewing. what would be the minimum requirements?

First: By VLN I'm assuming you're referring to VideoLan now called VLC. If not disregard...

I personally haven't played much with watching live programming through VLC as I have had enough problems capturing SD content. Which brings me to my question. What settings are you using to capture/record to HD using VLC?
I tried a couple settings (Mpeg2 ts and Mpeg4 I think) but the video quality was dim and pixelized compared to the quality of video/audio from CapDVHS. However, I have problems with inconsistent captures with CapDVHS so I'm curious about VLC. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

I'll play with live video and see if I have the same issues too.

benven

12-27-05, 10:24 AM

First: By VLN I'm assuming you're referring to VideoLan now called VLC. If not disregard...

I personally haven't played much with watching live programming through VLC as I have had enough problems capturing SD content. Which brings me to my question. What settings are you using to capture/record to HD using VLC?
I tried a couple settings (Mpeg2 ts and Mpeg4 I think) but the video quality was dim and pixelized compared to the quality of video/audio from CapDVHS. However, I have problems with inconsistent captures with CapDVHS so I'm curious about VLC. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

I'll play with live video and see if I have the same issues too.

Oops. My bad. It is VLC. There seems to be some variability in the functionality of VLC. I was capturing SD, with CapDVHS and VLC, on Sat. I saw very little difference in the quality between both and compared to the live program. I was capturing ts files in CapDVHS and mpeg2 ts in VLC. I am using VLC v8.4.

Live TV may be important to me because I would like to unify my system. DVDs look very good through VLC. AC3 output, without additional decoders, is a bonus. The quality is better than my LG upconverting DVD player. So, I was thinking, why not use 1 box, a computer, for TV and DVD playback. Real time capturing, ie daily/weekly program recording, on the computer isn't that important to me because the 6412 is very user friendly and really easy to record with. Downloading the 6412 hardrive is more important to me.

I would like to hear back from you and from others on their experiences with live TV and VLC.

Dieselhum

12-27-05, 10:27 AM

Hey guys. I need some help with this. I cant get my laptop to pick up the STB when I plug it in. I am using the grey moto box.. not sure which model (think it is 6200....there are no model numbers on the unit :/) but there is firewire on the back and...... firmware 7.15.

Any suggestions guys?

I cant install the drivers cuz my pc isnt picking them up. Is there a way to poll the firewire port to tell it to check for the new hardware. Also... does the 1394 network adapter have to be enabled or disabled?

thx for the help.. im struggling here!

Dieselhum

12-27-05, 10:47 AM

OK guys. Quick update. I gave it a 5 mins rest.. then retried.. and it picked it up... HOWEVER... my machine CRAWLS. Iafter 10 mins of waiting I got into task manager and determined that System SYSTEM was taking up 100% cpu... (NOT SYSTEM IDLE PROCESS) as soon as I unplug it goes back to normal. So whats up. I tried to find updated drivers and it doesnt appear to have any. I am on XP with SP2. Any ideas
?

RandyBee

12-27-05, 03:44 PM

For some odd reason the link witht the drivers file is not available for me :(
What a bummer doesnt anyone have another link to the meidvhs drivers...sorry for being such a newb...

What link are you trying to use? What browser are you using? (IE, Firefox etc?)

Tweeker

12-29-05, 11:09 PM

Love this thread...learned alot!

Quick question: What's the advantage of recording in *.ts versus *.mpg ?

When I look at the quality of the picture between the two format, they look very similar.

I would like to eventually burn my videos to DVD for archiving, is there an advantage of using one file format to the other?

Thanks,
Tony

DigitalfreakNYC

12-30-05, 03:12 PM

hjohns1

12-30-05, 05:13 PM

The choice is yours.....See the 'DL' checkbox in the lower right hand corner of the screenshot.

12-30-05, 06:03 PM

I've been using WinDVD to play the mpeg2 transport streams I capture from a Comcast 6412.
One annoying thing is that WinDVD can't display an elapsed time for these streams as they play.

Is that inhernet in TS, or is WinDVD just not smart about it?

Tweeker

12-31-05, 11:56 AM

I just downloaded HDTV2DVD...I started the program and my dumb question is: How do I open a *.ts file that I have recorded? It looks like there is no way to open a file, so my guess is that I will have to any/all my *.ts files into the HDTV2DVD program folder?

Thanks,
Tony

Masacre 1973

12-31-05, 12:14 PM

Has anyone run into the problem of choppy playback other than "The Walt" ? Since my cable provider updated the software to the Motorola 6412 box, my recordings keep skipping every 2 to 5 seconds. Is there a solution to this or is this the 5 C problem? If it is the 5 C problem, is there a way to get around this? Any help is appreciated.

Thanks
Masacre 1973

benven

12-31-05, 03:56 PM

Tweeker

12-31-05, 04:05 PM

Thanks benven...it is simpler than I thought...

RalphArch

01-01-06, 01:44 PM

I just drag and drop the file into the assets line.

I also like just using right click on file of interest, choosing send to HDTVtompeg2.exe (after adding H2m on the sendto list from file list - run - type sendto to add and browse for program)

Autostarts H2m with the source file of interest inserted

RalphArch

01-01-06, 01:47 PM

slim79

01-01-06, 06:10 PM

I also like just using right click and adding H2m on the sendto list from file list

(run - type sendto to add and browse for program)

or you can add it to the "open with" list

marc.aronson

01-01-06, 07:32 PM

Masacre 1973

01-02-06, 09:59 AM

Its not 5c - you can check the channel yourself but if its getting onto computer 5c is set to copy freely

Thanks for replying. I'm still having problems. I can record the TV listings channel with no problems and that is about it. I've checked the 5c value and it is either 0 or 1 for all the channels I checked. Every time I record video and play it back it will either play it for 2 to 5 seconds and then pause or it is completely pixelated (ie - green pixels and video all mixed together). Is anyone else having problems with this. I get my cable from Access Communications in Canada. I have the Motorola 6412 using the Pioneer Echo Interface. I'm not sure the firmware (I don't know how to check). Any help or advice on what I should do next from anyone is appreciated. Thanks!

Masacre 1973

DigitalfreakNYC

01-02-06, 10:34 AM

I just drag and drop the file into the assets line.

Is there a way to improve the bitrate on this? sometimes it's pretty low...and i'm doing it for dual-layer and it's not using all the space.

DisabledTrucker

01-02-06, 04:48 PM

I know I haven't responded to this thread for a while, but I'd like to take this opportunity to say Happy New Year to everyone and while I'm at it provide a little information for those working one the codecs for these devices. I recently obtained and learned of a way to locate all my device ids on my system, to that end, I am providing a few of them for whomever needs them below. I hope that this will help those making the drivers in any way possible. Note below how the first 1394 id belongs to the Motorola box as well, not sure exactly what that is, but it might well be the hard drive inside the box or the other tuner. For that matter it could well be the device that controls the unit's ability to see the OnDemand programming or PVR information also it could be the analog tuner, which I doubt because I can view the analog programming already with this as well as navigate to those channels.

A little about my specs:
Motorola DCT-6412
nForce2 motherboard (Chaintech 7NJS Ultra Zenith)
AMD XP-3200+ 2.21GHZ (with default settings)
Corsair TWINX1024-3200C2 Memory (clocks are 2-2-2-5)
Creative Audigy2 Pro (pre-zs) >>> Logitech 5.1 Surround Sound
DVico Fusion 3-Q/T for Recordings/viewing
nvDVD Player
WMP10
Graphedit filter for viewing
Channel.exe for changing the channels
WIN XP PRO SP2 w/RyanVM update (latest version)
Samsung SyncMaster 172x

I'm able to view everything at 1280x720p on my system, since my resolution of my SyncMaster 172x doesn't go much higher.

I'm not sure how much of this information is of any use to anyone but without further ado here it is:
1394\5068&10101\10E7AFEFF251200
Hardware ID's:
1394\5068&10101
Compatible ID's:
1394\5068&10101
1394\5068&1
1394\5068
1394\A02D&10001\10E7AFEFF251200
Name: 61883 Class Bus Device
Hardware ID's:
1394\A02D&10001
Compatible ID's:
1394\A02D&10001
1394\A02D&1
1394\A02D
61883\MOTOROLA&DCT-6412&10001\10E7AFEFF251200
Name: AVC Device
Hardware ID's:
61883\MOTOROLA&DCT-6412&10001
61883\MOTOROLA&10001
Compatible ID's:
61883\10001
61883\GENERIC
AVC\MOTOROLA&DCT-6412&TYP_5&ID_0\10E7AFEFF251200
Name: Motorola Tuner AV/C Device (DCT-6412)
Hardware ID's:
AVC\MOTOROLA&DCT-6412&TYP_5&ID_0
AVC\MOTOROLA&DCT-6412&TYP_5
Compatible ID's:
AVC\MOTOROLA&TYP_5
AVC\TYP_5
AVC\MOTOROLA&DCT-6412&TYP_9&ID_0\10E7AFEFF251200
Name: Motorola AV/C Panel Device (DCT-6412)
Hardware ID's:
AVC\MOTOROLA&DCT-6412&TYP_9&ID_0
AVC\MOTOROLA&DCT-6412&TYP_9
Compatible ID's:
AVC\MOTOROLA&TYP_9
AVC\TYP_9
ROOT\*TUNMP\0000
Name: Microsoft Tun Miniport Adapter
Hardware ID's:
*TUNMP
ROOT\LEGACY_ARP1394\0000
Name: 1394 ARP Client Protocol
No hardware/compatible ID's available for this device.
V1394\NIC1394\9104D25223C00
Name: 1394 Net Adapter
Hardware ID's:
V1394\NIC1394
Compatible ID's:
V1394\NIC1394

1394\5068&10101\10E7AFEFF251200
1394\A02D&10001\10E7AFEFF251200 : 61883 Class Bus Device
61883\MOTOROLA&DCT-6412&10001\10E7AFEFF251200 : AVC Device
AVC\MOTOROLA&DCT-6412&TYP_5&ID_0\10E7AFEFF251200 : Motorola Tuner AV/C Device (DCT-6412)
AVC\MOTOROLA&DCT-6412&TYP_9&ID_0\10E7AFEFF251200 : Motorola AV/C Panel Device (DCT-6412)
PCI\VEN_1102&DEV_0004&SUBSYS_10021102&REV_04\4&3B1D9AB8&0&4040: Creative SB Audigy 2 (WDM)
PCI\VEN_1102&DEV_4001&SUBSYS_00101102&REV_04\4&3B1D9AB8&0&4240: OHCI Compliant IEEE 1394 Host Controller
ROOT\*TUNMP\0000 : Microsoft Tun Miniport Adapter
ROOT\MEDIA\MS_MMACM : Audio Codecs
ROOT\MEDIA\MS_MMDRV : Legacy Audio Drivers
ROOT\MEDIA\MS_MMMCI : Media Control Devices
ROOT\MEDIA\MS_MMVCD : Legacy Video Capture Devices
ROOT\MEDIA\MS_MMVID : Video Codecs
STREAM\ZL88BDA.THOMSONLGDT\5&671B35F&0&2 : FusionHDTV 88x, BDA ATSC Tuner/Demod (T7611+LG3302)
STREAM\ZL88TUNE.THOMSONLGDT\5&671B35F&0&0 : FusionHDTV 88x, WDM ATSC TvTuner (T7611+LG3302)
STREAM\ZL88XBAR.CNXT\5&671B35F&0&1 : FusionHDTV 88x, WDM Crossbar
SW\{03884CB6-E89A-4DEB-B69E-8DC621686E6A}\GLOBAL : BDA Slip De-Framer
SW\{07DAD662-22F1-11D1-A9F4-00C04FBBDE8F}\GLOBAL : NABTS/FEC VBI Codec
SW\{2F412AB5-ED3A-4590-AB24-B0CE2AA77D3C}\{9B365890-165F-11D0-A195-0020AFD156E4}: Microsoft Kernel Audio Splitter
SW\{4245FF73-1DB4-11D2-86E4-98AE20524153}\{9B365890-165F-11D0-A195-0020AFD156E4}: Microsoft Kernel Acoustic Echo

Canceller
SW\{48926476-2CAE-4DED-A86E-73DDEBED6779}\NDISIP : Microsoft TV/Video Connection
SW\{562370A8-F8DD-11D2-BC64-00A0C95EC22E}\GLOBAL : Closed Caption Decoder
SW\{6C1B9F60-C0A9-11D0-96D8-00AA0051E51D}\{9B365890-165F-11D0-A195-0020AFD156E4}: Microsoft Kernel GS Wavetable

Synthesizer
SW\{8C07DD50-7A8D-11D2-8F8C-00C04FBF8FEF}\DMUSIC : Microsoft Kernel DLS Synthesizer
SW\{8E60217D-A2EE-47F8-B0C5-0F44C55F66DC}\GLOBAL : BDA MPE Filter
SW\{A7C7A5B0-5AF3-11D1-9CED-00A024BF0407}\{9B365890-165F-11D0-A195-0020AFD156E4}: Microsoft Kernel System Audio Device
SW\{B7EAFDC0-A680-11D0-96D8-00AA0051E51D}\{9B365890-165F-11D0-A195-0020AFD156E4}: Microsoft Kernel Wave Audio Mixer
SW\{CD171DE3-69E5-11D2-B56D-0000F8754380}\{9B365890-165F-11D0-A195-0020AFD156E4}: Microsoft WINMM WDM Audio

Compatibility Driver
SW\{CFD669F1-9BC2-11D0-8299-0000F822FE8A}\{0A4252A0-7E70-11D0-A5D6-28DB04C10000}: Microsoft Streaming Tee/Sink-to-Sink

Converter
SW\{CFD669F1-9BC2-11D0-8299-0000F822FE8A}\{CF1DDA2C-9743-11D0-A3EE-00A0C9223196}: Microsoft Streaming Tee/Sink-to-Sink

Converter
SW\{D84D449B-62FB-4EBB-B969-5183ED3DFB51}\GLOBAL : BDA IPSink
SW\{DDF4358E-BB2C-11D0-A42F-00A0C9223196}\{97EBAACB-95BD-11D0-A3EA-00A0C9223196}: Microsoft Streaming Quality Manager

Proxy
SW\{EEC12DB6-AD9C-4168-8658-B03DAEF417FE}\{ABD61E00-9350-47E2-A632-4438B90C6641}: Microsoft Kernel DRM Audio Descrambler

V1394\NIC1394\9104D25223C00 : 1394 Net Adapter

How I obtained all this information is I somewhere obtained M$'s devcon.exe file and run the following commands on it:
@echo off
set out=hwids.txt
echo. >> %out%
echo =========== >> %out%
echo Find All >> %out%
echo =========== >> %out%
echo. >> %out%
echo. >> %out%
devcon findall * >> %out%
echo. >> %out%
echo. >> %out%
echo =========== >> %out%
echo Find HWIDS >> %out%
echo =========== >> %out%
echo. >> %out%
echo. >> %out%
devcon hwids * >> %out%
echo. >> %out%
echo. >> %out%

exit

Hopefully 2006 will usher in a new wave of open source software that uses this information to allow for us to be able to use a cable box to view/record all our channels onto a PC in the future, without the need for multiple applications to do it.

gatkinso

01-02-06, 06:49 PM

Tried that using the VLC media player. All I got was a slideshow with audio. Tons of error messages about bad and late packets....

Anyone else get this to work???

I followed all the instructions and it works fine for me. i can select the "Panasonic" capture device in VLC and watch the stream in real time.

i am using the Mot DCT6412 III HD DVR with an HP Digital Entertainment Centre z555.

On a side note, I tried using the HDTVPump plugin to show .TS files in MCE2005 but I could not get it to work. The files play fine with VLC but the HDTVPump plugin appears to consume all my memory and I have to reboot.

is there a specific thread for playback/conversion issues?

Thanks

drglock

01-04-06, 06:34 PM

Hey there. I have been working on this for a couple of days now and I'm stuck. I saw a reference to the problem I am having in a post above by jb33. I am not getting any type of dialogue box that has any "uncheck show compatible hardware"

I have also done what jb33 suggested and cancelled on all 3 then tried to install the driver via device mgr, but I do not get this check box there either. Here is what I get from the point of the av/c tuner detection.

1st dialogue box: New Hardware Wizard: Can windows connect to Windows update to look for the driver? Yes or No radio button. I click No

2nd This is where I choose "Install from a list or specific location"

3rd I choose "Don't search I will choose the driver to install"

*Heres where it gets different*
4th Hardware Type: "Select a hardware type and click next" (This step is not mentioned in this post)
My options are an array of hardware categories, or, All devices. No matter which one I choose....(ive tried them all) do I ever get an option to "uncheck the show compatible hardware" I also cannot find the panasonic device listed in any of the class lists.

I have tried selecting every hardware class in the list provided, but none of them contain the panasonic device that is mentioned in this post.

Anyone here that has succesfully completed this process with the same problems that I am having plz post here exactly how to get thru this.

I get the exact same dialogue boxes if I try to install the driver manually thru the device mgr.

slim79

01-04-06, 07:11 PM

Hey there. I have been working on this for a couple of days now and I'm stuck. I saw a reference to the problem I am having in a post above by jb33. I am not getting any type of dialogue box that has any "uncheck show compatible hardware"

I have also done what jb33 suggested and cancelled on all 3 then tried to install the driver via device mgr, but I do not get this check box there either. Here is what I get from the point the av/c tuner

1st dialogue box: New Hardware Wizard: Can windows connect to Windows update to look for the driver? Yes or No radio button. I click No

2nd This is where I choose "Install from a list or specific location"

3rd I choose "Don't search I will choose the driver to install"

*Heres where it gets different*
4th Hardware Type: "Select a hardware type and click next" (This step is not mentioned in this post)
My options are an array of hardware categories, or, All devices. No matter which one I choose....(ive tried them all) do I ever get an option to "uncheck the show compatible hardware" I also cannot find the panasonic device listed in any of the class lists.

try using these drivers i posted a while back
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=6624100&&#post6624100

it should find a driver for the panel device and the tuner(if the cable box is supported) the unknown device is the one that you don't install and later disable

jtatfsu

01-05-06, 03:41 AM

OK...I realize that the processes discussed on this thread are designed to allow recording of HD from cable boxes. What I want to know is why the discussion is focused on HD streams. This is the only site that discusses anything about capturing from cable boxes. Is there an easier way to download non-HD streams?

JT

weldon

01-05-06, 12:06 PM

Is there an easier way to download non-HD streams?
I use a Mac to capture programs from a Motorola 6412 and the process is identical for SD and HD programs. Is there some particular aspect that you were interested in? I suppose you could make different choices when reencoding, but I'm pretty certain that capture is going to be exactly the same process.

Naylia

01-05-06, 01:09 PM

Hopefully 2006 will usher in a new wave of open source software that uses this information to allow for us to be able to use a cable box to view/record all our channels onto a PC in the future, without the need for multiple applications to do it.

Well SageTV gets you a long ways there...seems that support for TS streams has gotten far enough along that PVRing both SD and HD doesn't seem to have any issues any more...have to try it myself again to believe it later this week.

drglock

01-06-06, 12:32 AM

pdp76

01-06-06, 12:38 AM

weldon

01-06-06, 12:47 AM

Is there a way to simply dump the data from the cablebox HD over the firewire? I want to just transfer all of the programs that are on the HD there to my PC HD and then edit/watch/burn them from there, rather than have to record each program indivudually.
I think you are asking if you can access the programs recorded on the DVR as though the box were an external hard drive. The short answer is "no" you cannot access the recorded programs directly through the file system. The box can only stream the current video output over firewire, which you can capture on your PC.

boozshey

01-06-06, 12:48 AM

Nevermind...

drglock

01-06-06, 12:59 AM

I think you are asking if you can access the programs recorded on the DVR as though the box were an external hard drive. The short answer is "no" you cannot access the recorded programs directly through the file system. The box can only stream the current video output over firewire, which you can capture on your PC.

Yes, this is what i was asking. Thanks. I will keep looking around, Im sure someone has figured a way to do it. If not, I have many hours of recording to do :(

tall1

01-06-06, 01:53 AM

Yes, this is what i was asking. Thanks. I will keep looking around, Im sure someone has figured a way to do it. If not, I have many hours of recording to do :(Yeah, I'm sure someone has figured it out but they won't tell us rubes who have been posting here for the past 2 years. :rolleyes:

boozshey

01-06-06, 02:11 AM

I can't get it to stream live onto the computer... Any help would be great.

holl_ands

01-06-06, 04:39 AM

Thanks for the helpful tips. As of today I have this setup working. I had to ad-lib my way thru installing the drivers, but i finally got it.

Here is a question that i have not seen addressed here.

Is there a way to simply dump the data from the cablebox HD over the firewire? I want to just transfer all of the programs that are on the HD there to my PC HD and then edit/watch/burn them from there, rather than have to record each program indivudually.
The MPEG2 files on the cablebox HD are not only encrypted but can only be decrypted by the box that made the original recording.
So if your cablebox dies, you probably can't have the cable techs move the HD to a new cablebox.
So you can't simply move the files (or even the entire HD) to a PC and play them back.

This is EXACTLY what they intended with their encryption and Data Rights Management (DRM) philosphy.

Today the only way to view the file is to actually play it back in real time on the cablebox.

=======================================
In the future, as part of the HD-DVD, HD-BLU-RAY, IPTV, Mobile TV and other efforts; they are working on DRM protocols
which will allow you to hold onto various files (from WHATEVER source...including CATV and DVB)
and play them back later in different rooms and on mobile devices (e.g. your car or cellphone).
Play back of these encrypted files on a PC, MAC or Palm/PocketPC is part of these efforts.
Resolving some of these difficult DRM issues has been the major reason why these systems have been delayed over and over again....

drglock

01-07-06, 01:56 AM

Thanks again for the info everyone.

Of course, Now I have a new host of problems. Anyone experience this or have any suggestions on what to do?

Last night, while watching cable on my PC with VLC, my Motorola 6214 just powered itself off. I turned it back on but no longer found a capture device when i ran VLC or DVHS. I went to the device manager to remove the hardware and reinstall it, but I couldnt find it anywhere. I tried to remove the IEEE adapters and reinstall them in hopes that would work, but no dice!

Now everytime I open DVHC or VLC it says no tuner detected, and whenever I try to re-do the installation, Windows does not detect any new hardware! So im kinda screwed here.

What I need to know is How to remove all info about the Moto box so that Windows can redetect it? Or does someone know more about this issue?

Roveer

01-08-06, 12:40 AM

I decided to try recording from my Motorola 6208 tonight using 1394. Installed the drivers per this post and using CAPDVHS it actually worked... When playing back on my PC using VLC Media Player I found that in scenes with action there were annoying horizontal "double lines", like interlace fields or something. Any idea what is going on? Otherwise it looked great, definetly the HD stream.

Regards,

Roveer

HiTymz

01-08-06, 01:52 AM

To get rid of those lines in VLC

Click the video tab then go to deinterlace select discard and only select discard. I have found selecting other things doesn't really cure the lines and may restart your computer!!!

Good Luck

niceguy321

01-08-06, 05:35 PM

This thread is very helpful -- thanks to everyone that put the time into figuring out how to do the capture. I've installed the software on my laptap and I can successfully capture HD streams using the Motorola DVR box from Comcast. I can play these back on my PC using VLC, although results are not optimal because CPU isn't powerful enough.

This leads me to my question: My Samsung DLP HD TV has a firewire / 1394 input jack. Can anyone point me to a thread or software that would enable me to send the captured mpeg2 data stream out my PC's firewire port to the TV set? I am guessing this would use minimal CPU resources on the PC and the TV would be doing all the "heavy lifting". My laptop is running Windows XP.

Thanks!
Marc

Wow, you must bee my twin brother, because I'm in the exact same situation(same exact setup).

I think I saw something mentioned about a program called dtvrecorder that would playback files onto a hdtv, but I don't remember where I saw it or if it was even out.

Edit: I'm trying to use the latest ver. of hdtvtompeg2, the 2 gig .ts file, and after it completes converting, the result is a 3 kb .mpg file that is unplayable. what is up?

arklebk

01-08-06, 10:22 PM

Just wondering if anyone has any information on pulling video from the Scientific Atlanta 8300 to PC?

Thanks,
Brandon

arklebk

01-08-06, 10:25 PM

Just wondering if anyone knows anything about pulling video from the Scientific Atlantic 8300 to PC?

Thanks,
Brandon

spectrexcwk

01-09-06, 11:54 PM

[QUOTE=DisabledTrucker]Try upgrading to SP-2 and if possible, slipstream pack in with it, at least version 1.2.2, which contains all the fixes since SP-2 was released. Then retry it, using the instructions at the beginning of this thread, and download the fileset from the link below, which includes DMA's revised drivers for the Motorolla boxes, timmoore's channel changer, and graphedit with a sample for watching from the Motorolla 6412, as well as a copy of CapDVHS, which works better than the graphedit, or you can go hunt everywhere for all these files. It would also be benificial if you have NVDVD from NVidia to view the files with as it has a built in ts info parser which is something you need to view them with. I would also reccomend at least another 512MB DDR, PC3200 or better, memory.

link is dead can i get it somewhere else?

Huskerfan

01-10-06, 03:41 PM

Am using CapDVHS---Is there anyway to record something with 3 digits in the minutes to record box? Like a movie that is 2 hours long (ie. 120 minutes)

rhenry74

01-10-06, 04:23 PM

You can type in 120, the text box is just too narrow so it cuts it off.

roreman

01-10-06, 04:25 PM

Am using CapDVHS---Is there anyway to record something with 3 digits in the minutes to record box? Like a movie that is 2 hours long (ie. 120 minutes)

This has thrown a lot of people off. The visible part of the box in CapVHS is only 2-digits wide, but it can take 3-digits. The thrid digit scrolls out of view, so that if you type in 3-digits you will only be able to see two. Simply put the cursor in the box (i.e. click in the box) and use the arrow keys on your keyboard to see the hidden digit.

Huskerfan

01-10-06, 04:32 PM

Doh!!!! I didn't realize that. Gosh, thanks a lot. I had to download to seperate files last night and I was wondering how I was going to piece them together!

hjohns1

01-10-06, 07:20 PM

This has thrown a lot of people off. The visible part of the box in CapVHS is only 2-digits wide, but it can take 3-digits. The thrid digit scrolls out of view, so that if you type in 3-digits you will only be able to see two. Simply put the cursor in the box (i.e. click in the box) and use the arrow keys on your keyboard to see the hidden digit.
I have posted a modified version of the CapDVHS application where the font has been corrected and the problem that you mention is no longer an issue.
You can get it at...http://home.earthlink.net/%7Eweathersix/other.htm

-BJ

tluxon

01-10-06, 07:35 PM

Doh!!!! I didn't realize that. Gosh, thanks a lot. I had to download to seperate files last night and I was wondering how I was going to piece them together!You're talking about the transport streams, aren't you? Womble's Mpeg Video Wizard works great for displaying the properties of these files and cutting, joining, and otherwise editing them as you like.

Tim

Huskerfan

01-10-06, 08:00 PM

Y'know, the funny thing is I was going to try that cause I bought womble a few years back. Instead I think I will just record the show again in it's entirety. I used Womble a lot to cut commercials out of ReplayTV shows that I downloaded. Great program. A little pricey, though.

roreman

01-10-06, 08:15 PM

I have posted a modified version of the CapDVHS application where the font has been corrected and the problem that you mention is no longer an issue.
You can get it at...http://home.earthlink.net/%7Eweathersix/other.htm

-BJ

That's awesome, thanks! Are there any other fixes of note in this version?

hjohns1

01-10-06, 08:43 PM

That's awesome, thanks! Are there any other fixes of note in this version?
I just fixed the font, no other changes were made.

delar

01-10-06, 11:11 PM

I have posted a modified version of the CapDVHS application where the font has been corrected and the problem that you mention is no longer an issue.
You can get it at...http://home.earthlink.net/%7Eweathersix/other.htm

-BJ
The font problem has been an irritant. Big thanks!!

jtatfsu

01-11-06, 06:38 PM

I don't understand why you can't simply connect the component signal from the cablebox to a PC or standalone DVR as a direct feed, just like an old school VCR? What I want is to route the video feed from my cablebox constantly through a medium (again like a VCR) where I can just press a record button and make a .mpg or .avi file based on the feed. Now, is there a reason why there has to be a firewire connection as opposed to a component video or HDMI or DVI connection to the recorder?

jtatfsu

01-11-06, 06:38 PM

bcoombs

01-11-06, 06:54 PM

How many recording devices do you know of that have component (or HDMI/DVI) inputs?

jimre

01-11-06, 06:59 PM

jtatfsu

01-11-06, 10:16 PM

Common question - been answered many times. Do a forum search for "capture component" to find more details. Basic answer:

The reason for using firewire is that it's the only way to get the original COMPRESSED digital video stream - which is exactly what goes INTO your cable box in the first place. It's easily captured & managed by almost any PC. What comes OUT of your cable box - uncompressed digital (DVI) or analog (component) HD video - requires like 50-70 times more bandwidth, disk space & compute power. You'll need something like $5-$10K worth of broadcast-studio type gear to do the latter.

Thank you very much for this answer. Makes sense to me. Too bad I don't have 5-10k dollars. I really need to get rich quickly.

My other question is: how do I figure out which model of cable box I have and which firmware? That's probably been answered too, I guess.

DisabledTrucker

01-13-06, 06:38 AM

My other question is: how do I figure out which model of cable box I have and which firmware? That's probably been answered too, I guess.

If you had actually read this thread you'd have your answer to this one too!

slackhaus

01-13-06, 02:30 PM

Will this method allow me to archive recorded shows or record to my pc. Basically am I using the motorola box as a tuner for my pc or can I extract shows from my dvr's harddrive?

Cucuy

01-13-06, 02:56 PM

Will this method allow me to archive recorded shows or record to my pc. Basically am I using the motorola box as a tuner for my pc or can I extract shows from my dvr's harddrive?

Yes but you dont have acess to the actual files in your hard drive. So you'll be streaming from your STB to your PC and record that way.

ishloss

01-13-06, 10:59 PM

I have a Motorola DCT3412I. I've got the firewire hooked up, drivers downloaded, etc. I'm running XP SP2, and I don't have the exact option for the Panasonic device listed. I have one that is close (Panasonic AV Device), but not the Panasonic D-VHS AV/C Device. Anyway, all the Panasonic devices say that they are incompatible, and installing the Panasonic AV Device didn't seem to be any better. The problem I'm having is that when I run CapDVHS I get an error stating "Cannot Find Capture Device". Any ideas? It would be a lot easier if I could just hook up to the ethernet or USB ports and download the files! Oh yeah, I've tried both firewire ports, didn't make a difference.

rfritz

01-14-06, 02:48 AM

I've read everything I can find here, but can't verify that 1394 is actually enabled on my SA 8300HD STB. Here's what I see in firmware. Can you help?

Software Versions
PTV OS: OS, Home Server Edition 1.4
FLASH: 1.87.16.1
App(s): SARA v1.87.16.1

Hardware Modules
...
ESE: Unavailable

Outputs (Copy Protection)
... Protection Type Enabled Constrained
1394: Unavailable Unavailable

Policies
...
1394: 0x00000000 v1

The above are the values that seem to be relevant, but I don't know what they mean. If this doesn't tell the story, what else should I look for?

Cox said 1394 was enabled & unsupported, but I'm not confident in that (I've often received misinformation, like different answers to the same question from different reps; they all try to be helpful, but apparently they only THINK they know the correct answer).

I've connected each of the 8300HD 1394 jacks to my Win XP Pro - SP2 PC and didn't recognize any new hardware as expected. 1394 on the PC works fine with Sony DV camcorders.

How can I get my 8300HD box talking to my PC on 1394?

VideoRoy

01-14-06, 09:55 AM

niceguy321

01-14-06, 10:46 AM

How come playback(vlc) and recordings (capdvhs) all of my videos have these lines in them? It is very noticeable in things like football games and movies. What is causing it?

RandyBee

01-14-06, 12:13 PM

I find that every time I capture with CapDVHS the video and audio are assigned to different PIDs which causes a variety of issues with Mpeg2Repair, VideoReDo & TStoATSC. They can be anything from 0x11 & 0x14 to 0x101 & 0x102, 0x201 & 0x202 and I even have a couple 0xa1 & 0xa4. I tried capturing with VLC but I believe my settings are off because the video quality is bad compared to CapDVHS.My questions are as follows...

What assigns the PIDs?
Can they be changed after recording?
Why can VLC always read these files but the other programs can't?

Ok I have had some success since I last posted. Below is the process I follow in case it helps others.

My first suggestion is to go buy a five pack or less of DVD+RW discs to burn to until you get your process down otherwise you'll probably waste ALOT of DVDs working out the many bugs it seems most of us face in this venture. Despite the occasional lucky poster I think the rest of us had to experiment quite a bit as there is alot that can go wrong from point A to point B.

I Capture using CapDVHS
I open the .ts file with DGIndex to determine what Video and Audio PIDs the file has (ie: Video/Audio 0x11 0x14 or 0x101 0x102 or 0x201 0x202 etc)
If it is any combination other than standard Video 11 & Audio 14 I process the file with TStoATSC which asks what the PIDs are BEFORE processing. Make sure you use the -c flag to correct the file if possible and the -q to minimize garbage across the screen while the file is processing. If the file isn't too buggy it will tear right through and produce a file with standard PIDs 11 & 14.
I then can load the file in VideoRedo edit out the commercials, join files together and save as a .mpg or leave in .ts (for my method I convert to .mpg
I then load the file into nero Vision Express where I can make a menu from any graphic off the Internet and create new chapters if I wish (VideoRedo can add chapters in regular intervals also) . I save the project for future use and preview the menu and chapters verifying no audio/video sync issues and then write it to the hard drive.
Since my files usually exceed 4.7g and I refuse to pay for DL DVDs I load the Video folder and files created by Nero into DVDShrink. I verify that the preview still shows no signs of sync imbalance throughout the movie then I run a Deep Analysis and then select Backup which compresses the file to fit on a standard 4.7 DVD.

I still haven't figured out how to deal with a few files with odd PIDs such as Video 0xa1 Audio 0xa2 TStoATSC doesn't know how to deal with these and neither do I.
Occasionally I run a file through Mpeg2Repair if TStoATSC won't read it initially. Then I process it with TStoATSC. In the past I had some luck with HDTV2Mpeg2 but sometimes the preview screen doesn't populate so editing is impossible and I had a file or two with audio sync issues after combining files but it may work for some. If you don't have/want Nero or menus with chapters you can combine you files into one .ts file and load it into HDTV2DVD (just make sure you told VideoRedo to add chapters automatically every 10 to 20 minutes as some DVD players will mess up without them). VLC Media Player is a good program to watch .ts files with some people even capture with it but I get lower quality for some reason than what I capture from CapDVHS. Elecard and Womble Video are big in the video world but they can be confusing or tedious to a newbie like myself.

I didn't go into specific detail about each program to condense my post but if you need links to any of these files or have setup/operation questions just post. Thanks to everyone in this thread for yourhelp and experience!

lav9794

01-14-06, 02:00 PM

I have been using CapDVHS for a while now and I thought I knew everything that I needed to know about recording to my PC but I stopped using it for a few months and now I am back to using it again. My problem is I can record live TV with no problems but all of my recorded shows on my Motorola DCT6412 DVR will not transfer over to my PC. Did something happen to the DVR recorded shows to not allow me to record them to my PC? I used to be able to record live TV and shows from my DVR with no problems at all. Also, the firmware is v09.19 for my cable box. Thanks for any help provided.

BJMoose

01-14-06, 03:15 PM

If your recorded shows are from channels that are 5C (which includes most of the encrypted channels) you will not be able to copy them over to your PC. I can still copy anything recorded to my 6412 from ABC, NBC, CBS, UPN, WB, FOX, and PBS.

lav9794

01-14-06, 03:25 PM

I guess that they are 5C because I just transfered an episode of My Name Is Earl and that worked but the show that didn't work was The Shield. I thought that FX Networks wasn't encrypted, oh well. Thanks for your help.

Huskerfan

01-14-06, 03:35 PM

vjkevlar

01-14-06, 05:20 PM

So I've read the main post....followed the instructions completely.... Everything seem to install fine, cancelled the first device...the next device was the correct one I installed it and updated the driver to the "Panasonic D-VHS AV/C Device" version. Still things seemed smooth yet Capdvhs would still report "no capture device found". So I decided to remove all the drivers and try installing the "Microsoft Firewire 400 fix" which installed firewire drivers made prior to SP2. Now I my system only reports "Unknown Hardware Found" when I plug the firewire cable in, I cancel that...and I get no further prompts for any devices. Is it possible the firewire 400 'update' screwd things worse?

does anyone have a suggestion on either removing those drivers or a potential fix?

I am running a RCN Cableworks/Motorola 6412 with firmware 12.xx plugged into my Dell 1.6ghz 512mb Ram 128mb ATI Radeon on WinXP SP2.

Please help!

BJMoose

01-14-06, 07:47 PM

Here's something odd that happened to me recently. I recorded Motley Crue's Carnival of Sins from INHD and wanted to have a copy on DVD. I'm pretty sure it was 5C cause most stuff from INHD is. So when I go to record using CAPVHS sometimes it would record and sometimes not. I would just look at the resolution screen to see if it was recording or not and if it wasn't, I would just start it over. Then used HDTV2MPEG program to convert from the .ts to the vob files I needed.

The other thing I noticed is that my screen saver and power options on my laptop would interfere with the recording. So make sure you don't have anything running in the background that would zap your RAM.

Yeah, I've noticed that the 5C doesn't always seemed to be turned on...just for the things I really want to save to DVD. There's a set of 13 excellent Golf instructions that was offered for quite awhile on INHD. The first one recorded fine, but the next 12 wouldn't. It's like the 5C switch is similar to the HD switch which some networks are still having trouble with. Sure would be nice to find a way to defeat this thing, although those who are in the know think it's all but impossible.

aamsergie

01-15-06, 12:16 AM

I have a 6208

I followed all instructions as best I could. When connecting 6208 to PC, I get usual sound chirps and New Hardware Found Wizard..... I always state that I will find drivers etc.... When it comes to installing the device - it always states "Unknown Device" - NOT Tuner AV/C device... So I go into Device Manager and can see in the ?Other Devices profile, there is Tuner AV/C, AV/C Panel, and 3 Unknown Devices.... I pick Tuner, click to update driver, New Hardware Wizard pops up. It has Tuner AV/C in it I update driver to MEIDVHS folder, BUT it doesn't expand so I don't directly pick Meitape.inf.... After installation, in the Device Manager I now see Tuner AV/C in the Network Adapter. For some reason I decide to disable the Unknown Device and after I do that, the Tuner AV/C in the Network Adapter disappears. I haven't been able to get it to reappear. I installed the new XP 1394 fix - no help.

Don't know where to go since I don't know where the driver was installed. PLEASE HELP.

ishloss

01-15-06, 12:20 AM

Got the thing going now. Pretty cool. The whole point of this is so that I can record some of the kids shows so they can watch them on their TV. The shows are from Nick, and I tried doing one and, when playing it back, it played for about a second and then locked. I then tried recording a different episode, and it didn't pick up the aspect ratio or any of that stuff. Is there a way I can manually put that stuff in? I've been able to record other shows as a test off of the box for both live TV and DVR stuff.

Thanks in advance!

RandyBee

01-15-06, 01:41 AM

Huskerfan

01-15-06, 01:47 AM

aamsergie

01-15-06, 12:55 PM

Is there anyway to "uninstall" a driver without being forced to do a fresh install?

Read above post for details?

Huskerfan

01-15-06, 01:15 PM

ishloss

01-15-06, 05:45 PM

ishloss, don't know about your first problem but unless your kids' t.v. will resize the aspect ratio (which many older and smaller tv's won't do) then it will appear on their tv in whatever aspect it was recorded in. btw, I wouldn't think anything on Nick is recorded in 16x9???? or is your kids tv a 16x9 tv???? Also, are you saving them as ts files? and what are you playing them back with? what software? and how big are the files?
I got around the first problem. I wasn't using "Have Disk" to open the driver file and then select the device.

It's outputting the files to mpg, so I've been opening them in media player. The kid's TV is 4:3, but since the program is broadcast in that format, it will follow the mpg.

aamsergie

01-15-06, 06:55 PM

Go into Device Manager find your hardware and right click on uninstall. You're drive will show up in there somewhere or else it's not recognizing the correct driver. You'll need to reboot computer and it should auto detect your hardware again for a fresh install.

My point was I disabled one of the three Unknown Devices. Now AV/C Tuner does not even show up. I can't find it anywhere but when I connect the 6208, AV/C Panel and Unknown Device still show up. Originally there were 3 Unknown Devices - When I disabled the 1st one, 2 of them disappeared, and left AV/C Panel and Unknown Device.

I don't know how to uninstall a driver/device I can't find... :(

Any solutions now?

SK8_MD

01-15-06, 07:15 PM

My point was I disabled one of the three Unknown Devices. Now AV/C Tuner does not even show up. I can't find it anywhere but when I connect the 6208, AV/C Panel and Unknown Device still show up. Originally there were 3 Unknown Devices - When I disabled the 1st one, 2 of them disappeared, and left AV/C Panel and Unknown Device.

I don't know how to uninstall a driver/device I can't find... :(

Any solutions now?

In Windows device manager,
goto <View>, <Show Hidden Devices>.

aamsergie

01-15-06, 07:54 PM

In Windows device manager,
goto <View>, <Show Hidden Devices>.

AV Savior!!!!

Thanks.
Everything Up and Running!!!!!!
Again Thanks

ishloss

01-15-06, 10:54 PM

I got around the first problem. I wasn't using "Have Disk" to open the driver file and then select the device.

It's outputting the files to mpg, so I've been opening them in media player. The kid's TV is 4:3, but since the program is broadcast in that format, it will follow the mpg.
OK, I'm sad to say I figured it out. It looks like a 5c problem. Man that sucks... I don't understand why one would encrypt Lazy Town or Blue's Clues! I mean really, who's gonna make a living selling that out of the back of their van? I can understand movie channels like HBO, but come on! Be nice to be able to record those...

ishloss

01-15-06, 10:56 PM

Anyone try taking the hard drive out of a DVR and daisy-chaining it to a PC?

texasdeville

01-16-06, 11:57 AM

I've recorded beautiful HDTV to DVD. No 5C issues. I have comcast cable in Maryland. I've been able to record from every HDTV channel without any problems using the following setup:

Hardware:
Motorola DCT-6208 HDTV PVR Comcast Cable Box (Silver)
Firewire Cable (6 to 4 pin)
Inspiron 9300 Laptop

Software:
Windows XP SP2
DCT-6412/6208 Drivers
CapDVHS.exe (captures stream from DCT-6208 to PC via firewire)
mplayerc.exe (for playing transport stream (.ts) files)
HDTV2DVD (Converts .ts to .VOB and .mpg for burning)

HDTV Channels Recorded: (10 min = 900 MB)
HBO-HD
SHO-HD
INHD
INHD2
DISCOVERY-HD
ESPN-HD
NBC-HD
ABC-HD
CBS-HD
TNT-HD
FOX-HD
PBS-HD
WB-HD

ishloss

01-16-06, 12:47 PM

pmacafee

01-16-06, 01:24 PM

This week I am beginning to assemble the parts for a pc to record from a 6412 so that I can augment the 80g in the STB. I want a fairly limited machine with no tuner but need a firewire port.

Is there a recommended motherboard that includes a firewire port?

If I am just playing the digital video, do I need a $400 video card, as I think that it will not be doing any, de-interlacing?

How fast a processor is recommended?

I have a copy of XP MCE, so I will install that.

I did not see any earlier posts directly addressing these issues and the HTPC forums seem to deal with more powerful systems and broader use.

texasdeville

01-16-06, 02:25 PM

5C is set to '0'. It is not turned on.

aamsergie

01-16-06, 05:09 PM

How long have you had the box?

Can you record VOD?

Can you record all the other digital encrypted channels (HBO,SHO, MTV....Any channel above 125)?

BTW, How do you get to a menu that shows you the 5c "option"
I have a 6208.

aamsergie

01-16-06, 05:37 PM

I'm sure this sounds pretty noob but how exactly do you calculate Bitrate for streams.

Take:

My local ABC station's broadcast info
1920x1080I, 16:9, 16.190 Mbps video, 29.97 frames/sec, 384 Kbps audio

1920 * 1080i * 29.97fps = 62208000 bit/ps (62 Mbps) Since an interlaced screen is half the size, then effectively 31 Mbps.

How does the 384 Kbps audio affect the total bitrate?

Where does 16.190 Mbps video come from?

What elementary calculation am I missing?

Thanks in advance for the help....

kywolf

01-16-06, 07:44 PM

First Post. Wanted to quickly thank everyone. This is a mile long thread but everything I needed was in it. THANKS again!

Once the Moto 6412 was properly installed, I used CapDVHS to capture and I used SVCD2DVD to convert .ts to a playable MPEG-2. Here's my question: I captured a 1 hour Carlin show off of HBO. The .ts file was a around 1.5GB and after I did the converting with SVCD2DVD the mpeg came out to be 3.3GB. It converted fine and the movie plays fine.

Is 1 hour of video/audio supposed to be 3GB? It seems like it is a little high.

Thanks for any help and thanks for all the help I've received so far.

holl_ands

01-16-06, 08:12 PM

I'm sure this sounds pretty noob but how exactly do you calculate Bitrate for streams.

My local ABC station's broadcast info
1920x1080I, 16:9, 16.190 Mbps video, 29.97 frames/sec, 384 Kbps audio

1920 * 1080i * 29.97fps = 62208000 bit/ps (62 Mbps) Since an interlaced screen is half the size, then effectively 31 Mbps.

How does the 384 Kbps audio affect the total bitrate?
Where does 16.190 Mbps video come from?

What elementary calculation am I missing?
Thanks in advance for the help....
You also need to multiply by 24bits/pixel (8 bits per each of three colors), which will give the RAW digital video bitrate....
Which is a huge number.....But that isn't what is transmitted.

Using complicated video processing, an MPEG2 Encoder compresses the bitrate down to something much lower,
to which is added the 384 kbps Dolby Digital data stream....and of course a little bit of housekeeping overhead.
The compression rate on the MPEG2 Encoder can be adjusted to "fit" a wide variety of maximum bitrate constraints,
including using a STATMUX to share the ATSC data stream with other SD channels and data services.

FYI: Here are some typical ON-AIR and DIRECTV bitrates:
http://www.widemovies.com/dfwbitrate.html
and a paper on STATMUX techniques showing improvement in MPEG2/4 bitrate efficiencies:
https://secure.connect.pbs.org/conferences/technology/2005/Presentations/Next.Gen.Video.Stat.Muxing.pdf

and some gory details re MPEG for the ubbergeek:
http://bmrc.berkeley.edu/frame/research/mpeg/mpeg2faq.html
http://www.swcp.com/pcaskey/mpeg2.html
http://www.mpeg.org/MPEG/index.html
http://viswiz.gmd.de/DVP/Public/deliv/deliv.211/mpeg/mpeghome.htm

Steve Jones

01-16-06, 08:26 PM

I just installed the whole process and it works with a Moto 6412/2000 from Adelphia
in Longview, WA. So far the standard broadcast replays fine with sound; but the high definition sounds OK, but video is only jerky. This is on a PIII 1.7 gHZ HP pavilion zt 1145.
Thanks for the instructions.

dracul

01-17-06, 09:06 PM

texasville you got a private message. Is anyone here able to record ppv hd?

R0B

01-17-06, 09:34 PM

bubblehead10

01-18-06, 12:58 AM

Thanks bdraw, works great, but I was looking for a way to dump the DVR hard drive to my PC so that I don't have to wait for the movie to play. Any ideas?

jkresh

01-18-06, 03:13 PM

indirect

01-18-06, 04:37 PM

Does anybody else have this problem?

After recording with CapDVHS.exe via firewire the Motorola 6412 will not fast forward and barely can rewind. The only way to fix this is to cold boot (unplug) the cable box. Sorry if this has been covered before. I searched, but couldn't find anything.

Thanks guys

tall1

01-18-06, 05:19 PM

Im a super noob to this stuff and am having the dumbest problem.

Ive connected the firewire cable (6pin to 6pin) to both the PC and cable box but I dont even get a Found Hardwire pop up.

Ive tried both ports on the cable box and theres only 1 port on the PC so I dont know what to try next.

I have a motorloa box (not sure what model #), the firmware is 09.19, software 71.44-1203, model: DCT

Is there a menu that will tell me if the firewire ports are even turned on? And how do I see if a channel has 5C?

ThanksOne tip, make certain you have not inserted the 6-pin connector upside down. Not only will it not connect but it may zap your 1394 port and make it inoperable because there is power running through it. The way I remember is the rounded edge of the 6-pin connector should be facing down or round-down.

texasdeville

01-18-06, 05:47 PM

Check your steps here:

http://replayguide.sourceforge.net/dct6412/#Setting_up_for_drivers_for_DCT6412

ishloss

01-18-06, 06:17 PM

Im a super noob to this stuff and am having the dumbest problem.

Ive connected the firewire cable (6pin to 6pin) to both the PC and cable box but I dont even get a Found Hardwire pop up.

Ive tried both ports on the cable box and theres only 1 port on the PC so I dont know what to try next.

I have a motorloa box (not sure what model #), the firmware is 09.19, software 71.44-1203, model: DCT

Is there a menu that will tell me if the firewire ports are even turned on? And how do I see if a channel has 5C?

Thanks
It sounds like your firewire ports are turned off. If you turn off the power and then hit the select/OK button right away, you'll get into a read-only config menu. It may take a few tries, but you can do it. It should show the number of firewire ports you have hooked up to a PC.

ishloss

01-18-06, 06:23 PM

I am having some problems, I have a motorolla dct6412 III (comcast), and when I install the drivers I get something under devicemanager -> imaging devinces -> Tuner Avc/device, which is using the meidvhs driver and which shows its hardware to be teh 6412,, however when I open capvhs it says cant find capture device. Any suggestions? The one note I have is that when i went to panosonic I didnt see "D-VHS AV/C Device" I saw digital tuner avc, tuner avc, dvtape, dvcam, and I tried several different ones of those, though if I am using hte mei driver should it matter which one I selected?
Right-click the device and select update driver. Follow all the steps listed in step one (the very first post in this thread) until you see the "Have Disk" button. Use that to browse to the driver file you downloaded. Then pick the Panasonic device exactly as listed in the very first post in this thread.

I had the same problem until I did this.

ishloss

01-18-06, 06:24 PM

dracul

01-18-06, 07:29 PM

Is anyone here able to record PPV HD movies?

slim79

01-18-06, 08:22 PM

I am having some problems, I have a motorolla dct6412 III (comcast), and when I install the drivers I get something under devicemanager -> imaging devinces -> Tuner Avc/device, which is using the meidvhs driver and which shows its hardware to be teh 6412,, however when I open capvhs it says cant find capture device. Any suggestions? The one note I have is that when i went to panosonic I didnt see "D-VHS AV/C Device" I saw digital tuner avc, tuner avc, dvtape, dvcam, and I tried several different ones of those, though if I am using hte mei driver should it matter which one I selected?

try installing from these drivers. you should be able to install the motorola 6412 av/c tuner and 6412 av/c panel rather then trying to use the panasonic dvhs drivers. the panel driver makes channel changing possible. included is channel.exe and readme to explain changing channels via firewire.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=6624100&&#post6624100

jkresh

01-19-06, 12:17 AM

thanks texasdeville, those drivers worked

jkresh

01-19-06, 01:29 AM

slim79, that link is interesting, didnt know anyone had found a way to make it work with mce, admitidly it is abit of a kludge, but a cool one none the less

indirect

01-19-06, 05:58 AM

ishloss

01-19-06, 12:45 PM

Seems like Ishloss & I have the same problem. So does anybody else have problems with their cable boxes fastforwarding & rewinding after firewire recordings. I'm interested in anybody in the Covington Kentucky area subscribing to Insight. Perhaps if others in the area have no problems then all I need is a new box.

Ishloss, I'm interest in your Firmware version and Provider. I have Firmware 12.22 by the way. Also, I've never heard of a 3412I. Is it a Motorola DVR?

Thanks
I've got Comcast, and I'll check the firmware version next time I'm by the box and remember. Here's a link that talks about the box: http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA608653.html?display=Breaking+News
It's a newer DVR. The thing is pretty decent, I currently have at least 30 or 40 hours of stuff on it and I'm below 70%. It also has an ethernet port and a SATA port, along with 2-6 pin firewire, 2 USB, and serveral other ports I've never seen before.

kywolf

01-19-06, 07:55 PM

Seems like Ishloss & I have the same problem. So does anybody else have problems with their cable boxes fastforwarding & rewinding after firewire recordings. I'm interested in anybody in the Covington Kentucky area subscribing to Insight. Perhaps if others in the area have no problems then all I need is a new box.

Ishloss, I'm interest in your Firmware version and Provider. I have Firmware 12.22 by the way. Also, I've never heard of a 3412I. Is it a Motorola DVR?

Thanks

I have the exact same problem. I have Comcast cable out of Indianapolis, IN. The box is a Moto 6412 with Firmware Version: 12.18 and the date on it says July 2005. I only have about 20-25% of the hard drive filled.

indirect

01-20-06, 09:52 AM

Thanks for jumping in kywolf. Just to let you guys know I tried DCTRecordApp.exe last night to capture video & it seem to do the same thing. It's odd that we all have different models but experience the same issue. We must also be in the minority, otherwise I'm sure alot of people would have responded. Well I'll keep experimenting.....

roreman

01-20-06, 01:06 PM

Although my firewire doesn't seem to affect it, the odd time when I have issues with ffw and rew, I find that briefly swapping tuners clears it up.

indirect

01-20-06, 06:46 PM

Thanks for the tip roreman. I tried that with a hopeful heart, but it did not work.

Curney

01-21-06, 01:05 AM

Hi,
I'm trying to get this set up and Im stuck at installing the divers. When I get to the part where I click "I will choose the driver to install" and then click next, the next screen I get a box that says "hardware type" Below that it says "select a hardware type and click next". There is no box that I can uncheck saying, "show compatible hardware" In the window it says "show all devices" and the there is a list of "common hardware types." I dont get it. It seems like I'm not getting the window I should be. Any ideas? I have the motorola box DCT6412 and firmware is 9.12. Any Ideas?

niceguy321

01-21-06, 10:13 AM

How come when I record video, some scenes are perfect, and others record with the motion blur tipe lines.

Example: http://agprojects.net/pictures/vlcsnap-10984943.png
Edit: or could it just be that when i play it on a 720p monitor(laptop), since it's shrunk down, it shows more blocky lines thank it would on a 1080i one?

Edit: forget it, i just turned on de-interlacing in vlc

moyekj

01-21-06, 12:31 PM

I just upgraded from a DCT6412 (120G) to a DCT6416 (160G) last night and I can't get the Motorola drivers to work anymore. The Motorola tuner device is available to CapDVHS but whenever I start a capture I get an error dialog.

I also tried the drivers from TheGreenButton and no luck there either.

So it looks like drivers need to be updated to support DCT6416. Anyone have any clue who has the capability of doing this these days?

alienstookmybeer

01-21-06, 02:17 PM

Seems like Ishloss & I have the same problem. So does anybody else have problems with their cable boxes fastforwarding & rewinding after firewire recordings. I'm interested in anybody in the Covington Kentucky area subscribing to Insight. Perhaps if others in the area have no problems then all I need is a new box.

Ishloss, I'm interest in your Firmware version and Provider. I have Firmware 12.22 by the way. Also, I've never heard of a 3412I. Is it a Motorola DVR?

Thanks

Hey, I'm glad someone brought this up since I had suspected my ff/rewind speed went into the crapper once I used the firewire & capdvhs. After doing the cold boot you suggested, I can see how bad it had gotten. Thanks for the tip.

I have Motorola 6208 with firmware 08.13 through Insight.

Curney

01-21-06, 08:37 PM

Ok, so I got the drivers installed and when I plug in the firewire and open capDVHS it says "cannot find capture device" I've unplugged and replugged the cable 10+ times and still no luck. Did anyone else have this problem???? Any sugestions?? thanks

berdbrain

01-22-06, 02:30 PM

Does anyone know key sequence to locate firmware in Motorola DTC6412.
I've read this thread and installed the drivers I think might work. I too found differences with XP SP1 Device mgr. When I choose the direc. where I have the extracted meidvhs files the PC could not install the drivers. Tried several ways. Yet could find the DTC6412 driver in the yellow highlighted "unknown devices". I then found the image devices and installed a few Panasonce device drivers which would not recognize the 6412 until I installed the NV-HDR1000 which now shows up in imaging devices along with the AV/C as well. No yellow items until I re-boot. When I uninstall them, I still see the NV-HDR & AV/C lines. Not sure what's going on here.

I can not find a way to locate the firmware of the 6412. I've tried all sorts of key combinations. I do not have a diagnostics key on remote, the 6412. I'm in Chicago.

wayner46

01-22-06, 04:25 PM

I've followed the directions to the letter and I can't get the meidvhs to open and work with my tuner (moto 6412/2005)
Please send help my DVR is almost full!

indirect

01-22-06, 09:53 PM

Hey, I'm glad someone brought this up since I had suspected my ff/rewind speed went into the crapper once I used the firewire & capdvhs. After doing the cold boot you suggested, I can see how bad it had gotten. Thanks for the tip.

I have Motorola 6208 with firmware 08.13 through Insight.

Your very welcome for the tip, but wouldn't it be nice if we didn't have to do that. It can be a hassle as you cant' do that during a recording (on the dvr). Everybody else encountrering the fast forward / rewind glitch, is there a firewire port on your PC that's being used by another device? I have a external DVD & it sometimes has trouble & I'm thinking maybe it is related. It's a longshot.

moyekj

01-22-06, 10:23 PM

Seems like Ishloss & I have the same problem. So does anybody else have problems with their cable boxes fastforwarding & rewinding after firewire recordings. I'm interested in anybody in the Covington Kentucky area subscribing to Insight. Perhaps if others in the area have no problems then all I need is a new box.

Ishloss, I'm interest in your Firmware version and Provider. I have Firmware 12.22 by the way. Also, I've never heard of a 3412I. Is it a Motorola DVR?

Thanks Yup, I also can confirm FF/REW problem following firewire connection. Also confirm that a reboot solves it. I have DCT6416 with firmware 12.27. So looks like a common problem for phase III machines with newer 12.x firmware.

Plasma42

01-22-06, 10:50 PM

I'm trying to transfer some of my saved programs on my Moto 6412 to my computer in hopes of burning them on DVDs. I read the instructions in this thread and my computer was unable to find the file name C:\meidvhs. I was wondering if I didn't download something correctly or if anyone else ran into this snag?

I'm also running into the same glitch as Curney's post from 1/21/12:05 AM. Any help on that would also be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

scott659

01-22-06, 11:14 PM

Are you able to play back to the TV via Firewire (instead of using the video card on the computer)?

live in los angeles, ca use comcast, need a box to record my favorite movies,
either pay per view, or video on demand, and record them to a linux box...

scott [at] intercore [dot] net
888 603 6333
using it for personal use only..thanks

R0B

01-22-06, 11:47 PM

It sounds like your firewire ports are turned off. If you turn off the power and then hit the select/OK button right away, you'll get into a read-only config menu. It may take a few tries, but you can do it. It should show the number of firewire ports you have hooked up to a PC.
Ok so I did this and went into the Interface Satus screen.

It says:

1394 I/O Device: INST
Active Ports: 0
Data Xmisssion: NO
5C Implementation: 0
Loop Status: NO
Root Status: YES
Cycle Master Status: YES

So is Firewire enabled on this cable box or not? I know that its enabled on my motherboard & PC, and I can see the IEE 1394 Host Controller in Device Manager.

What do I try now??

alienstookmybeer

01-23-06, 09:50 PM

Your very welcome for the tip, but wouldn't it be nice if we didn't have to do that. It can be a hassle as you cant' do that during a recording (on the dvr). Everybody else encountrering the fast forward / rewind glitch, is there a firewire port on your PC that's being used by another device? I have a external DVD & it sometimes has trouble & I'm thinking maybe it is related. It's a longshot.

I'm not using firewire for anything else.

I have to wonder if this isn't a problem for everyone, and many don't realize it. Has anyone used a capture device and definitely not had a slowdown in rewind speed and what is your setup (verify by rebooting your DVR and testing it)?

I wonder if the meituner program isn't the culprit. It seems to be the last common link left from those who've posted problems so far, and I believe is the only software that's directly communicating with the DVR (I think the capture programs run through this). I looked at the setup information files and it was copyrighted in 2001, so possibly not fully XP-compatible.

teague

01-23-06, 10:53 PM

I'm not using firewire for anything else.

I have to wonder if this isn't a problem for everyone, and many don't realize it. Has anyone used a capture device and definitely not had a slowdown in rewind speed and what is your setup (verify by rebooting your DVR and testing it)?

I wonder if the meituner program isn't the culprit. It seems to be the last common link left from those who've posted problems so far, and I believe is the only software that's directly communicating with the DVR (I think the capture programs run through this). I looked at the setup information files and it was copyrighted in 2001, so possibly not fully XP-compatible.

I have the FF/RW speed slowdown problem. Motorola DCT 6412, Phase 3, with the 12.27 firmware. I also have only been able to capture 2-3 minutes, and then it stops. I've tried 2 cables. Not sure what to try next.

Chris

moyekj

01-23-06, 11:41 PM

I have the FF/RW speed slowdown problem. Motorola DCT 6412, Phase 3, with the 12.27 firmware. I also have only been able to capture 2-3 minutes, and then it stops. I've tried 2 cables. Not sure what to try next.

Chris I have a strong suspicion that 12.27 firmware has "broken" firewire capture to WinXP. At first I thought it was my upgrade from DCT6412 I to DCT6416 III that was the problem, but now I suspect the recent firmware upgrade to 12.27 in our cable market that is the culprit. It seems like people with DCT6412 III firmware 12.27 are also experiencing firewire capture problems so I don't think it's a 6416 vs 6412 issue anymore.

blzinrasin

01-24-06, 07:02 PM

Are there any drivers to make the pc a 5c compliant device

docanime

01-25-06, 03:08 AM

pdp76

01-25-06, 01:11 PM

No. And the way the firmware on most of the STBs for digital cable are setup, it wouldn't make a difference. The blockage of the signal is not in the PC but in the STB. There may be support via a cablecard and using the new Windows OS.

Doc
I am having similar issues, I can't record most of the supposedly "clear" channels onto my PC. You say the blockage of the signal is in the STB... I don't use a STB but my internal QAM tuner on my Sharp Aquos TV. Does this mean the blockage of the signal occurs in the QAM tuner on my TV? If this is the case, if I get a cablecard for my TV, will it allow me to record stuff onto my PC?

Cucuy

01-25-06, 01:54 PM

Are there any drivers to make the pc a 5c compliant device

No. And the way the firmware on most of the STBs for digital cable are setup, it wouldn't make a difference. The blockage of the signal is not in the PC but in the STB. There may be support via a cablecard and using the new Windows OS.

Doc

So assumming we have a PC with the new Windos OS and it is 5c comnpliant what will be able to do that we can't now. Copy 5c content to our PC? Is that already a copy once? Will be be able to stream that content via media streamers

dabagboy

01-25-06, 10:59 PM

The firewire cables are short, can I convert to a CAT5 cable? or wireless? I'd like to run about 50 feet?

also I searched but can't find a way to get a signal from the 10bT Ethernet jack? that would be my preference of course (dreaming ehhh)

dabagboy

01-25-06, 11:23 PM

ps: I have firmware version 9.19, I can't find the model of the "Dual Tuner HDTV" box...
ps: would it just be a lot easier to capture the video by running from one of the video out ports?

ahsan

01-25-06, 11:44 PM

ahsan

01-25-06, 11:47 PM

Just FYI, I was able to record a 30second stream of The Agency on HDNET and it resulted in a 35mb file.

delar

01-26-06, 01:07 AM

Now this may be a stupid question, but is there an easy way to take my saved .ts file and downconvert it to 480lines and burn to DVD for playback on DVD players? Is this possible using VideoLan VLC Media Player?

Thanks in advance,
Use this. It's easy, and free.

http://www.svcd2dvd.com/HDTV2DVD/default.aspx

delar

01-26-06, 01:34 AM

So assumming we have a PC with the new Windos OS and it is 5c comnpliant what will be able to do that we can't now. Copy 5c content to our PC? Is that already a copy once? Will be be able to stream that content via media streamers
I don't ever foresee PCs ever becoming 5c compliant. The copy protection is there for a reason, and the last thing they want is for you to be able to move that 'copy once' HD movie file on to your PC where in all likeliness the movie's copy protection could much more easily be comprimised.

mastahkaz

01-26-06, 01:27 PM

Does anyone else have a hard time capturing streams for a long period of time using CapDVHS without getting a BSOD? I was unsuccessful at capping the first two "24" episodes as they were each an hour shown back to back. Sometime during the recording I my PC re-booted (i'm assuming due to a BSOD). The next night I broke it up into two recordings and it worked fine.

The same happened during the football game last weekend. Computer restarted sometime mid-game. My only thought is that it's having issues once the file size starts getting huge. I'd really like to record the Super Bowl in one single file but I somehow dont think its going to work.

Anyone else have experience with this?

R0B

01-26-06, 02:01 PM

I just got this to work on my WinXP SP2 with a Moto 6412 (Adelphia, Firmware 9.19). I followed the directions in the original post (although I guess XP had a few subtle differences) and I did not have to follow the SP2 specific directions mentioned in the original post because they seemed relevant only to Firewire 800.

Now this may be a stupid question, but is there an easy way to take my saved .ts file and downconvert it to 480lines and burn to DVD for playback on DVD players? Is this possible using VideoLan VLC Media Player?

Thanks in advance,
ahsan - I live in Sterling as well and have Adelphia with 6412 & 9.19 firmware. But for some reason I cant even get the Windows machine to recognize the 6412 plugged into the PC. Check this out maybe you can help:

It sounds like your firewire ports are turned off. If you turn off the power and then hit the select/OK button right away, you'll get into a read-only config menu. It may take a few tries, but you can do it. It should show the number of firewire ports you have hooked up to a PC.

Ok so I did this and went into the Interface Satus screen.

It says:

1394 I/O Device: INST
Active Ports: 0
Data Xmisssion: NO
5C Implementation: 0
Loop Status: NO
Root Status: YES
Cycle Master Status: YES

So is Firewire enabled on this cable box or not? I know that its enabled on my motherboard & PC, and I can see the IEE 1394 Host Controller in Device Manager.

What do I try now??

ahsan

01-26-06, 02:48 PM

Ok so I did this and went into the Interface Satus screen.

It says:

1394 I/O Device: INST
Active Ports: 0
Data Xmisssion: NO
5C Implementation: 0
Loop Status: NO
Root Status: YES
Cycle Master Status: YES

So is Firewire enabled on this cable box or not? I know that its enabled on my motherboard & PC, and I can see the IEE 1394 Host Controller in Device Manager.

What do I try now??

I was confused about this at first too, and yes my Interface Status screen looked exactly the same. Active Ports: 0 makes you believe the firewire port is inactive but I believe it shows 0 if its not in use (or not plugged in). I haven't gone back and checked the status since I actually physically plugged it into my computer.

Looking at the back of your 6412, is your firewire plugged into the left firwire port (as viewed from behind)? Mine works through the left port, I have not tried the right port.

Also, when you plugged the firewire cable into your computer, after the New Hardware Found dialog pops up, it first shows "Unknown Device". I followed the original post's directions and pressed cancel, at which point something like "AV/C Device" shows up, from which point I followed the rest of the directions. At the end of following the directions, the New Hardware Found dialog came back with "AV/C Panel" to which I also pressed Cancel.

Let me know if you have any other questions.

ahsan

01-26-06, 03:09 PM

ahsan - I live in Sterling as well and have Adelphia with 6412 & 9.19 firmware. But for some reason I cant even get the Windows machine to recognize the 6412 plugged into the PC.

Is your 6412 powered on when you plug the firewire into your computer?

Curney

01-26-06, 05:45 PM

Quick question:

I plug in the firewire to the computer and capdvhs cannot read devise when opened. I emailed Kevin, the guy who put up the revised instructions:
replayguide/sourceforge...etc and he said that some firewire cards simply don't work. (I have a Trendnet PCI card). He mentioned that there was thread about this and what models work best. Anyone remember this or have any sugestions? Anyone have a firewire PCI that works that they can recommend? THANKS!!!!

R0B

01-26-06, 06:32 PM

R0B

01-26-06, 06:37 PM

I'll try with the box off then turn it on.
This didnt change anything....

cariboudon

01-26-06, 06:42 PM

I got around the first problem. I wasn't using "Have Disk" to open the driver file and then select the device.

It's outputting the files to mpg, so I've been opening them in media player. The kid's TV is 4:3, but since the program is broadcast in that format, it will follow the mpg.
ISSLOSS,

THANKS!!! After 6 hours of frustration your post highlighted my problem.

I could not connect my vaio tx650 to the mot 3412 via firewire.
I was able to do a clean install of the 3412 that would show up in device mger under image devices using various devices selected before pointing to the driver, however I would get 'cannot find capture device' from capdvhs. Selecting the device after pointing to the driver did the trick.

1st post, my heartfelt thanks to everyone for all the great info on these boards.

ahsan

01-26-06, 07:58 PM

ahsan -

Yes the 6412 is powered on when I tried plugging it in. Ive tried both the left & right plugs on the back of the box but neither work. Im not getting a "Found New Hardware" box popup in XP SP 2.

I'll try with the box off then turn it on.

I'm pretty certain my cable box was on when I plugged in the firewire cable into my computer. This is actually the first firewire item I've ever plugged into my computer. I wouldn't know why your computer isn't at least recognizing that something is getting plugged into the firewire. Have you used your firewire ports before and know if they do indeed work?

R0B

01-27-06, 12:50 AM

Nope havent used the firewire ports at all on the PC. Guess its time to borrow someones Ipod or something and test it out.

ARogan

01-29-06, 12:12 AM

I use time warner houston with a Motorola 6200 (firmware v10.10). I've got everything working fine over firewire except I noticed the c5 flag is set to 1 for local HD channels: pbs (308), 311 (cbs), 313 (abc) . The only local HD channels that have c5=0 are 309(fox) and 312 (NBC).

All I want to be able to do is record my local channels. Is the cable company required to turn off C5 on these channels (even though they are available in SD under the analog channels)? Is this something I can call tech support to turn on? Would swapping out the 6200 with another one help?

bootz

01-29-06, 12:28 PM

Sorry guys had a brain freeze - it turned out to be a connection issue. I can capture audio and video.

All,

I've played around with the video capture and playback using CapD-VHS and VLN. What is the best way to capture the audio? I assume SPDIF would be the best option...is there any additional software required or does CapD-VHS capture audio as well?

Thanks,

bootz

PS - I have the same slow FF / Rewind issues others are having ( DCT 6412 III)

yellowwingdove

01-29-06, 12:37 PM

bootz

01-29-06, 01:21 PM

Does anyone know if it's possible to move recorded shows, such as Showtime from dvr (6412) to my pc? I'm able to do this with my local channels using CAPDVHS with no problem, but it won't with Showtime. Is there some back way into this?
I'm having the same issues but I can't even record my HD-Fox channel. However, PBS and NBC work without issue. Must be related to the flag settings?

I hope I can find a way to archive my 24 HD episodes :-/

naps1saps

01-30-06, 01:48 PM

sorry new topic.
I just got Windows Media Encoder to convert (ts).mpg files recorded by CAPDVHS.

1. First you need to download and install the HDTV Pump filter here: CAN'T PUT A URL, SORRY. Its the one at the DVB Portal's website.

Then go into windows media player and "add" both dll files from the DVB Portal folder into wmp's plugin options (they will not show up in the list). After you do this, check and make sure you can play .ts files correctly and be able to use the transport stream search bar in the "enhancements" box and be able to click "properties."

2. NOW, download and install the ac3 filter here (I think this is the right one): CAN'T PUT A URL, SORRY. Its the one at Source Forge.

3. When you open Windows Media Encoder, setup all of your file options. Click on properties then click the plugins tab. Click the "Audio" radio button then the register button. Check the ac3 decoder and say ok. Now add it to the right box. You should be able to change the properties like PCM 16, 24, ... bit, and be able to increase the audio gain. If it gives you an "audio codec not installed" error, make sure you have PCM 16bit selected (I havn't tried the others).
You should be able to make .wmv hd files with 5.1 audio with this setup. Let me know if it doesn't work. I tried a whole bunch of codecs before I tried these, so you might need a different one, but I doubt it. I can encode all my files to play on my PDA.

HAVE FUN!

teague

01-30-06, 10:11 PM

I tried to play two .ts files that I have. The SD one worked fine. The HD 1080i one played the audio fine. The video was a very slow frame rate, so very jerky, but the individual frames looked fine. This was with Windows Media Player 10.0 on XP SP2. Both files play fine with VLC on the same system. It's a 2.8Ghz P4 with 512Mb. Task manager showed only 40% CPU usage, so I don't think is a speed problem. I'll try some other files shortly. Neat that someone found a way to play .ts files with media player.

Chris

naps1saps

01-31-06, 01:56 PM

HD works fine on my laptop. It has a (desktop) AMD 64 2ghz 2ghz FSB, 512 ddr333, and an ati 200m 128mb video card. My hdd is also an 80gb partitioned with hd playing off of the non windows partition. ALSO, I only have 1.7gb of space left on the win partition, 6gb on the other.

SO, it might be that your computer has a slow processor, slow FSB, or slow hdd, or it needs another codec that I tried, or Microsoft doesn't like you! Try a defrag maybe?

OR, It could be a miricle that mine works!?

I can't remember if wmp played the (ts).mpg version okay? I can't remember the last time I tried that. Try and see if it works with a .mpg extension.

naps1saps

01-31-06, 06:30 PM

Download and install:
dgmpgdec http://replayguide.sourceforge.net/dct6412/dgmpgdec120rc5.zip
ffdshow http://replayguide.sourceforge.net/dct6412/ffdshow-20020617.exe
XviD http://replayguide.sourceforge.net/dct6412/XviD-1.0.3-20122004.exe
I may be unknowingly using one of these codecs/decoders

Or you can go HERE (http://replayguide.sourceforge.net/dct6412/index.html) and look at more recording, editing, and burning stuff.

tluxon

02-02-06, 08:24 PM

tall1

02-03-06, 09:51 PM

I rely heavily on capturing short clips and segments from my Comcast 6412 to my notebook via firewire using the driver that emulates a Panasonic DVHS recorder.

I've recently added a JVC 40k DVHS VCR to the mix and would really like to hook it up to the notebook as well, but fear screwing up the way it's recording from the 6412 now.

Has anybody else done this?
Anything I should worry about?

Thanks!

TimI have; it works. One caveat; I have to power off the JVC 40K before I start a capture from the 6412 to my notebook using CapDVHS or DVHSTool. Often times I forget to do this because sometimes my 40K wakes up, then I get a capture error, pull my hair out, then I realize I need to power off the 40K. Other than that it is pretty much plug and play.

jbrennan8

02-04-06, 07:59 PM

Is the recording done in real time, or is this a speedy deal with the firewire connnection.

Great post Ben

pipdipchip

02-05-06, 02:15 AM

Man, that was easy. Wish I would have known about this about two years ago. ;)

The only hard part is finding a fast enough computer to process all that HD goodness.

weldon

02-05-06, 11:19 AM

Is the recording done in real time, or is this a speedy deal with the firewire connnection.
real-time

communik8r

02-05-06, 01:58 PM

I'm switching from Comcast to Fios and want do do the firewire connection to my HTPC. The Comcast STBis a Motorola 6412 and the Verizon STB is the 6416. I hooked up the 6412 and by following the instructions in this thread, have been able to capture both SD and HD programming so I know the firewire and CapDVHS work just fine. When connecting to the 6416, I get the "no capture device found" when I start CapDVHS. I don't have the yellow exclaimation point on the driver (I'm using the Morotola AV/C device (DCT-6412) driver) when connected to the 6416, but still get the error on CapDVHS. Any ideas?

I haven't disconnected the Comcast yet, I want to make sure the FIOS is working before disconnecting, so I have both and can do a stare and compare.

pipdipchip

02-05-06, 02:00 PM

communik8r

02-05-06, 02:02 PM

BTW, I have checked d-11 and it shows 1394 is inst and there is 1 active port. I've tried both ports on the STB, and checked the 5c implementation is set to 0 for the channel I'm trying to record. It seems to be a different driver is required for the 6416. Anybody else have that problem?

nathan_h

02-05-06, 02:33 PM

Is there anyway to get good playback without simply buying a faster computer? I have it connected to a 2.53Ghz P4 with 533Mhz FSB and 512MB of RAM. Are there any tweaks or anything that can be done to get better playback?

Sounds like your computer should work. I've used a slower computer with the same amount of RAM. What video card are you using? What software for playback? That might help folks here pinpoint the issue for you.

pipdipchip

02-05-06, 03:14 PM

Sounds like your computer should work. I've used a slower computer with the same amount of RAM. What video card are you using? What software for playback? That might help folks here pinpoint the issue for you.

Does video card make a difference? Because it just has a Intel Extreme piece of crap. I have a faster computer with a better video card but the power supply isn't big enough and it doesn't have enough power for the Firewire ports.

communik8r

02-05-06, 05:40 PM

The video card makes a HUGH difference. I had to go with a ATI 9600 or better to get HDTV to play smoothly on a 2Gh machine. Finally went with a PCIe X700 to get almost perfect playback on mine.

pipdipchip

02-05-06, 06:15 PM

The video card makes a HUGH difference. I had to go with a ATI 9600 or better to get HDTV to play smoothly on a 2Gh machine. Finally went with a PCIe X700 to get almost perfect playback on mine.

Okay, I do have a 9000 Pro on my other computer. I wonder how that would work. Can anyone suggest a good HDTV decoding video card that is cheap?

funkdr

02-05-06, 11:47 PM

Hey guys. I just read about 40 pages and re-did the whole install procedure over and over but I'm getting stuck @ the CapDVHS Data Info part. I attempt to record and the file stays @ 0 bytes and records absolutely nothing.

I have a Comcast-Motorola DTS6412 III

Anyone have any ideas on what it could be?

update: I just read the part about the 0 byte record but would Cartoon Network, of all channels, have protection?! Help because I need my boondocks off of the dvr

Digiman10

02-06-06, 07:47 AM

HI there I just got a Motorola 6412 III HD/PVR. It works FANTASTIC. playback and recording is Fabulous lol;
Just have one question.
How do I get the movies out of it before my box fills up completely? Is my only choice to use a firewire cable as decribed in the first post of this thread.Seems like alot of work..

Please respond.

Thanx

Digiman10

memofer

02-06-06, 10:21 AM

Okay, I do have a 9000 Pro on my other computer. I wonder how that would work. Can anyone suggest a good HDTV decoding video card that is cheap?

the 9000 pro will not work. I tried that on a Dell HD4 2.4gh and the video playback gives me this miniblind effect on fast moving scenes. I also tried an ATI 9600 Pro and got same bad results... DVDs play is great with these video cards, but not HD... also I am using Videolan..

Can anybody please post what is a good video card for HD playback. thanks.

hjohns1

02-06-06, 10:48 AM

I get perfect playback on a Roku PhotoBridge HD Digital Media Player...
http://www.rokulabs.com/products/photobridge/index.php

bigcat

02-06-06, 11:03 AM

Can anybody please post what is a good video card for HD playback. thanks.

There are quite a few posts on this. I usually see the 6600GT (nvidia) and the X1*00 series (ati) recommended.

pipdipchip

02-06-06, 03:59 PM

There are quite a few posts on this. I usually see the 6600GT (nvidia) and the X1*00 series (ati) recommended.

Hmm, I just don't understand why such a high-end graphics card is needed. Those cards have been released in the last year, yet people have been capturing HD for a few years. What did they use then? I'm just mad because I can't afford those. ;)

gsr

02-06-06, 05:10 PM

Hmm, I just don't understand why such a high-end graphics card is needed. Those cards have been released in the last year, yet people have been capturing HD for a few years. What did they use then? I'm just mad because I can't afford those. ;)

You don't need a super high end graphics card, but do need a pretty decent system. With Theatertek 2.0, I can watch HD content on a P4 2.4GHz system with 1GB RAM and an ATI 9800 Pro graphics card (I'm positive a 9500 or 9600 series card would also be sufficient - the key is that it needs to have the DXVA functionality). Keep in mind that the software (and specifically the video decoder filter) you use is every bit as important as the hardware. Before adequate video cards and software were available, people used the hardware based HD tuner cards such as accessDTV, MyHD, HiPix, etc. to play HD content (and many still do as it frees up the CPU to do other stuff while you watch HD).

bdraw

02-06-06, 07:18 PM

I updated the main post.
I replaced the drivers with new versions that work better with XP sp2.
They also support changing channels and Windows Media Center Edition recording.

jimre

02-06-06, 07:57 PM

About the new drivers: if we previously had the original drivers installed, is there anything special we need to do first? Like deleting/uninstalling devices? Or can we just run the .MSI installer, and it'll do the right thing?

Thanks!

pipdipchip

02-06-06, 09:28 PM

You don't need a super high end graphics card, but do need a pretty decent system. With Theatertek 2.0, I can watch HD content on a P4 2.4GHz system with 1GB RAM and an ATI 9800 Pro graphics card (I'm positive a 9500 or 9600 series card would also be sufficient - the key is that it needs to have the DXVA functionality). Keep in mind that the software (and specifically the video decoder filter) you use is every bit as important as the hardware. Before adequate video cards and software were available, people used the hardware based HD tuner cards such as accessDTV, MyHD, HiPix, etc. to play HD content (and many still do as it frees up the CPU to do other stuff while you watch HD).

I think I'll buy a Firewire card for my laptop and try it. Normally I wouldn't think of a laptop being good for that kind of stuff but my laptop can play back HD MPEG-2 flawlessly and my two desktops which should be much powerful don't. Also then I wouldn't have to keep moving my cable box. I'll update if it works or not.

chavel

02-06-06, 09:51 PM

I went ahead and installed the firewire drivers for the avc tuner as described on the first page of this thread. Although there is an exclamation point in the device driver for the tuner avc device under imaging device, the driver details reports: "AVC\SHARP&TU-GD10U-T&TYP_5&ID_0\C2674900011F0008." So it looks like the computer is seeing the tuner in the Sharp's video box. When I go to run CAPDVHS I get the dreaded No Capture Device. After searching through this thread am I running into copy protection problems of some kind or some other incompatibility issues? I'm wondering if it is possible to record from a cable card with the CAPDVHS software.

racprops

02-06-06, 11:29 PM

Is there any way to convert component Video to feed in on a firewire connection?

(As this component is a analog and fire wire is digital I am guessing a A to D convertor is needed, and one that can handle 1080p?)

Or is there some way to get component video into a computer, like say a vga input card?

Both with their audio as well.

And if so software to incode it as say Mpeg2/4 as it does so?? (I understand there are commurcal vga streamers but they are very costly and raw HD video would eat a lot of Hard drive space if unincoded/uncompressed.)

I currenly have a Mitsubishi DLP that will receive Firewire input and will output but the output is only from the inboard TV tuners and the software to run it is a nightmare as well...TVGuild by GemStar is crap..so recording in near impossable other than "live".

Deep ideas... please help.

Rich

racprops

02-06-06, 11:33 PM

Also is there any other software like "FireBus DTV Recorder by Vividlogic"??

I have not been impressed with their software not their service.

Rich

indirect

02-07-06, 02:30 AM

racprops

02-07-06, 08:12 AM

scoombs

02-07-06, 08:54 AM

Also is there any other software like "FireBus DTV Recorder by Vividlogic"??

I have not been impressed with their software not their service.

Rich

I am with you...I wish there was a working version of this application, as it would accomplish exactly what I am looking to do. Heck, I would be willing to pay $499 rather than the asking $99 if it would give me a stable, functional application. This app has such promise, it is just not reliable.

I have tried the method outlined in the first post of this thread, and had no luck, but I assume it is because I have a Mitsubishi with integrated QAM tuner as discussed by bdraw...

Not sure what the problem is but I can tell you that QAM recording from the integrated tuner does not work.

Can't remember why but I do remember that it is not supported by Mitsu.

Recording OTA from the integrated tuner on a Mits is what I used to write the original post.

jimre

02-07-06, 11:48 AM

But component video is the only way to record ANY thing, they are blocking all digital outputs. (Some will allow "record once")

Plus if I can record thus I can then let my Cox box do the recording and then copy it to my computer when I have time.

At this point, movies on my Cox box should not really mater, after all everyone has these movies as they are on cable, plus I have paid for the DVR and am allowed to record them.

The problem is IF the box fails I lose all recordings, even moving the Hard Drive to a new box wipes all data when rebooted in the new box.

RichWell, that's the way it is. Recording HD component video is very expensive, and until about a year ago was possible only with $20K broadcast studio equipment. Even today, you can get a Blackmagic Designs DeckLink capture care for around $1K as the previous poster said, but that's just the tip of the iceberg. See this post (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=6706217&&#post6706217) for details on what this will REALLY cost.

racprops

02-07-06, 07:02 PM

gsr

02-07-06, 08:34 PM

How about a way to crack the incoding on the cable HD channels?? I have the ATI HD Wonder Card that will decode and record Off the Air HD.

So IF it could "see" the cable channels it could record them.

Rich

That card does NOT decode anything. It simply receives the already compressed over the air digital signal and passes it on so you can record it or send it to an MPEG-2 demultiplexor and audio/video decoders to watch - and this has absolutely nothing to do with encryption. But there is no hardware decoding on the card - you would need something like an accessDTV or MyHD card to decode the HD broadcast on the card (and again, there's no encryption or decryption involved).

racprops

02-07-06, 09:26 PM

I have the HDTV Wonder card, it DOES do HD.

It does play back and record over the air 1080I broadcasts.

So what is the differance between OTA HD and Cable HD?

And what is cox cable doing to block my HD Cable ready TV (without a Cable Card) and the ATI Card from viewing the Digital channels on the cable??

Rich

chicagogeek

02-07-06, 09:44 PM

***Nevermind...cable box is toast, today it was resetting itself when I was on HD channels. Called Comcast and they reset it remotely, now it won't even come back on at all. They said it was pretty common that these boxes are dying and they are replacing a lot of them.

I'm having problems getting a computer to recognize my 6200. It has the 8.14 Firmware now, when I had used it before succesfully, it was on 7. something. I have tried three different computers now and two different Firewire cables. All three computers will recognize a firewire hard drive, but absolutely nothing happens when I connect to the 6200.

Status shows:
1394 I/O Device: INST
Active Ports: 1
Data Xmission: YES
5C Implementation: 0
Loop Status: NO
Root Status: NO
Cycle Master Status: NO

This box has locked up on me three times in the past week so I have been planning to call comcast about a replacement. ANy suggestions before I go down that route? It was so easy the first time. I wanted to record Conan in HD tonight, guess I shouldn't have waited to the last minute.

bdraw

02-07-06, 10:38 PM

After you install the msi, all you should have to do is go into device manager and "update" the driver. Windows should find the new driver automatically.