I ordered a new momitsu V880 2 days ago from Extremephono and already recieved it!
Opened it up and hooked everything up in about 10 minutes to my Hitachi xwx20B RPTV and WoW! It blows away my Panny XP-30.
I can't believe it! I wasn't expecting to really see any difference but 1080i thru DVI is great!
Anyone interested in a new panny XP 30???

I will check back and let you know if I ever have any issues with it but it seems to work perfectly.:)

Welcome to the club, enjoy the excellent pq and features.

I've got mine hooked up to my Hitachi 51s500 rptv with 1080i over DVI and get blown away every time I watch a well mastered dvd.

And now I can buy dvds from all over the world looking for the best transfer also.

See... we told ya !!

welcome to the dark side

So far I think my DVD collection only includes USA DVDs. What am I missing now that I have a Momitsu?

Thanks

Jeff

Now, if they only would add high resolution audio playback to these nice players ...:) that would be a killer unit, especially if they manage to maintain the attractive pricing.

Originally posted by ride525
So far I think my DVD collection only includes USA DVDs. What am I missing now that I have a Momitsu?

Thanks

Jeff

Played my first region 2 Pal disc a week or so ago. Really cool to be able to 'beat the system'! No special setup. Simply put it in and it played, and the picture was terrific. Gotta love that Momitsu (those of us whose units work, anyway :) )

htomei

Originally posted by ride525
So far I think my DVD collection only includes USA DVDs. What am I missing now that I have a Momitsu?

Thanks

Jeff

"Kill Bill" Region 2 - Full Color. :D

Thanks guys!
You know I really hope that Jim Noyd,Vinc., Samsung and Panasonic have checked out the V880 if they hope to compete and see what we are looking for in a dvd player.
That blacker than black pluge stripe on DVE is more visable thru the DVI than on any player I have seen!

Originally posted by steviec
....................
That blacker than black pluge stripe on DVE is more visable thru the DVI than on any player I have seen!

what is that mean?? I have DVE, but I don't know how to use it.

Edit: I mean I know what blacker than black is - what is black pluge stripe?

I haven't watch the DVE yet, but does it have the insturction how to tune the TV?

Thanks

Baja

There are 3 stripes of various percentages of black for setting the black level(brightness) of the picture.Many players do not display the darkest below black bar.The momitsu thru DVI does which means the blacks are not crushed and you will see all the picture detail available if you set it up correctly.

Steve, glad you like it, I love mine as well. Just a heads up, some movies only play if you have region 1 turned on not region 0 (Spiderman is an example). When this happened to me, I thought it was broken but I just needed to switch my region from 0 to 1.

steviec: Is your impression about the Momitsu still the same?

Wel I have owned 2 of them and I basically do feel that the v880 does what it is suppost to do and has a great picture.However,due to some rare skipping and lock up problems( which I attribute to the loader) I decided to go back to the more reliable xp30.
If a player doesn't work mechanically perfect all the time it doesn't matter how good the picture is and I don't want to fool with it.Just my personal opinion.

so the region free things as well as the PAL vs NTSc would also work the other way around in other words, can I use a V880 in Europe with a PAL TV set and play any dvd ?

thx much

I wish I could join the party but I'm very disappointed in my V880. I just got it this week to upgrade from my Toshiba SD4900(great player) and have not been able to see much of an improvement in picture quality.

Unfortunately my front pj doesn't have dvi input but supports 1080i and 720p through component. I understand that dvi is the ideal connection but I've been told by several forum members that the picture is still outstanding via the component out.

Don't get me wrong the picture is great and it is SLIGHTLY better than my Toshiba but for over $200 more I was looking for the "WOW" factor. Instead, it's more of a "pretty good" factor. I'd like to return the Momitsu but I'm going to get hit with a bs re-stocking fee. Oh well, live and learn.

Windwaves, I don't think you can play NTSC DVDs on your PAL TV. The V880 will send the signal, but your TV can't handle the refresh rate. Those of us with projectors can handle a greater selection of refresh rates 50, 60, and some 72 hz or higher. At least this is my limited ( and I do mean limited) understanding.

Jim

JGDragov, What display device are you using? On my Sony HS20 the DVI signal was far superior to the component. With DVI I do get a major wow factor.

Jim

A bit curious....

if the momitsu V880 is getting a few people such great images, my question is why did it get such low scores on all the bench mark tests?! Seems wierd

I highly doubt the v880 BLOWS AWAY the XP30. Are you sure you where running the xp30 IN PROG scan mode? I have no doubt that a DVI connect will be sharper, to what degree over a excellent prog scan player? I doubt that much..

and myself am waiting for panasonics DVI player out next month.

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/cgi-bin/shootout.cgi?function=search&articles=all

I'm using a NEC LT240K front projector. I admit I had my doubts about the 720p and 1080i images through component outputs but there are a lot of cool people on this forum who swear to it's legitimacy.

I'm not saying that this isn't the case I just know that what I'm seeing is a very good picture which is virtually what I have with my 4900. Maybe my eyes aren't very discerning when it comes to 1080i and 480p I just thought or hoped they would be.

Hi, JGDragov,

As your projector has a VGA input, I suggest you buy a DVI-to-VGA adapter (it costs about US$10 only) and make use the DVI output of your Momitsu (using its analog RGB signals). Also, as the native resolution of your NEC is 1024 X 768, you can use the 768p output from the DVI of Momitsu to have a 1-1 pixel mapping. I think it may give you an improvement of picture quality over your current component connection.

Originally posted by Run4two
Windwaves, I don't think you can play NTSC DVDs on your PAL TV. The V880 will send the signal, but your TV can't handle the refresh rate. Those of us with projectors can handle a greater selection of refresh rates 50, 60, and some 72 hz or higher. At least this is my limited ( and I do mean limited) understanding.

Jim


Most PAL TVs made in the last 8-10 years or so are dual format PAL/NTSC and play each signal at the right refresh rate. TVs made for the domestic US market are NTSC but rarely play PAL properly.

Thanks kwokyan.

I've contemplated your suggestion myself. I'm just a little down on the V880 right now and even an investment of $10 makes me feel like I'm out more money.
It's like I said the picture is fine, and like you said the adapter and 768 output could improve the picture. I just feel like I might be chasing something that is only going to be so good without a dvi to dvi connection.

Originally posted by kwokyan
Hi, JGDragov,

As your projector has a VGA input, I suggest you buy a DVI-to-VGA adapter (it costs about US$10 only) and make use the DVI output of your Momitsu (using its analog RGB signals). Also, as the native resolution of your NEC is 1024 X 768, you can use the 768p output from the DVI of Momitsu to have a 1-1 pixel mapping. I think it may give you an improvement of picture quality over your current component connection.

It'll be the best $10 you spend. I found the analog DVI to be much better than the component outputs.

I am interested in the 880 but have seen posts suggesting there will be image degradation when the DVI cable exceeds 5m. As I would need a 12m cable, I'm reluctant to buy the 880.

Anyone have any experience or opinions regarding using a long DVI run on the 880?

Originally posted by wolfgang armbru
I am interested in the 880 but have seen posts suggesting there will be image degradation when the DVI cable exceeds 5m. As I would need a 12m cable, I'm reluctant to buy the 880.

Anyone have any experience or opinions regarding using a long DVI run on the 880?


Hi,

I am using a 14m. DVI cable from the Momitsu to a HT1100. PQ is still great. Before this, I tried a 15m. DVI cable from a another supplier. It did not work. Therefore, be careful when buying DVI cables >10m.

N.S.

Originally posted by JGDragov
Thanks kwokyan.

I've contemplated your suggestion myself. I'm just a little down on the V880 right now and even an investment of $10 makes me feel like I'm out more money.
It's like I said the picture is fine, and like you said the adapter and 768 output could improve the picture. I just feel like I might be chasing something that is only going to be so good without a dvi to dvi connection.
JGDragov,

I think the biggest mistake you made is believing that the component output of the V880 produces a fine picture, especially when upscaled to 720p or 1080i. It has been reported many times here and in official reviews that the V880 component output is significantly inferior to it's DVI output and that there are many other DVD players out there that provide a better component picture. Take kwokyan's advice and get the DVI-VGA cable. You will see a significant improvement!

John:)

I have not seen a "significantly" better pq with dvi over component with my v880. The pq is slightly better, more stable, but very close on my Hitachi 51s500 rptv.

The v880 is very noticably superior to my prior 480i/p player with the 1080i signal.

imo, the v880 over dvi is slightly superior, but the component is excellent and I would be very happy with it.

After over 8 months of usage of my Momitsu V-880, I have learned that I get the best picture using 720P over component.

I had been using DVI with the 768-Wide setting for a native-rate signal.

Imagine my surprise to learn that I could get an even BETTER picture by using 720P over component. Even 1080i component doesn't play as well.

Given the multitude of combinations between TVs/displays/projectors and differences in cables, I think it's impossible for anyone to make definitive judgements as to which is the best connection method.

I am grateful that the V-880 allows choices in order to select the best combination for me.

;)

N.S. Ng,

I am in need of a >10M DVI cable, could you please tell me what brand cable worked for you.

Anyone else?

Thanks!

JGDragov
Give me your bank account details and I'll send you the 10 bucks so we can all get on with our lives.
Mike

lol! I see some heat coming ur way!

Mike,
Thank you so much for your extremely generous offer of $10. I am very sorry that you had to take time out of your obviously busy schedule to respond to my post. I am quite sure that, even though you are eager to "get on with your life" you will bless us all again with another post on this thread. I'll even bet you on this, say...$10?

To clarify my point about spending more money to fix my "problem", I'm just wondering how much more time and money I should spend on this unit. Not in a "Oh my God, I'm going broke!" way, but in a "This just isn't going to work out the way I want. " way. Even if you're as "special" as Mike is, it should be obvious that this isn't about ponying up a ten spot.

You can view 1000 different posts regarding the V880(and I'm sure there are more than that) and you will get 1000 different testimonials. It's amazing the contradictions you'll get about this unit even in the same threads. In either case, the post that suggested the biggest mistake I made was thinking the image via component would be able to blow me away appears to be accurate. Needless to say, I have gotten some PMs that assure me that if I do A, B and C I'll see the pq I've been hearing about.

Thanks to Mike I'll be able to get the DVI adapter and find out if this will address the situation. If it isn't then I am prepared to move on. Either way, I'll be able to make future decisons regarding my PJ and upconverting dvd players with some personal experience. I'll just consider the money I've lost learning expenses.

Originally posted by Mike V
N.S. Ng,

I am in need of a >10M DVI cable, could you please tell me what brand cable worked for you.

Anyone else?

Thanks!

I'm using a 10m Lindy cable (Lindy.com) from a V880 to a BenQ 8700+. No problems whatsoever at 720P

Thanks Skeet25. I've also heard good things about Lindy from others so I may give them a try.

Originally posted by Mike V
N.S. Ng,

I am in need of a >10M DVI cable, could you please tell me what brand cable worked for you.

Anyone else?

Thanks!



Hi,

I got my cable from:
http://stores.*********/Cable-Solutions_W0QQsspagenameZl2QQtZkm

N.S

Originally posted by wblynch
After over 8 months of usage of my Momitsu V-880, I have learned that I get the best picture using 720P over component.

I had been using DVI with the 768-Wide setting for a native-rate signal.

Imagine my surprise to learn that I could get an even BETTER picture by using 720P over component. Even 1080i component doesn't play as well.

Given the multitude of combinations between TVs/displays/projectors and differences in cables, I think it's impossible for anyone to make definitive judgements as to which is the best connection method.

I am grateful that the V-880 allows choices in order to select the best combination for me.

;)

Yup, I've noticed the same thing. Native over a custom resolution is slightly sharper on resolution charts, but movies play smoother at 720p.

Mike, there are some suggested cable brands on this thread:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=412501

Ram gets good reviews in this and some other threads on DVI cables. I think they have some guaranteed for very long runs. They are also a sponsor of this board. My problem was cleared up when I went from a 10 meter cable down to 5.

Originally posted by JGDragov
Mike,
Thank you so much for your extremely generous offer of $10. I am very sorry that you had to take time out of your obviously busy schedule to respond to my post. I am quite sure that, even though you are eager to "get on with your life" you will bless us all again with another post on this thread. I'll even bet you on this, say...$10?

To clarify my point about spending more money to fix my "problem", I'm just wondering how much more time and money I should spend on this unit. Not in a "Oh my God, I'm going broke!" way, but in a "This just isn't going to work out the way I want. " way. Even if you're as "special" as Mike is, it should be obvious that this isn't about ponying up a ten spot.

You can view 1000 different posts regarding the V880(and I'm sure there are more than that) and you will get 1000 different testimonials. It's amazing the contradictions you'll get about this unit even in the same threads. In either case, the post that suggested the biggest mistake I made was thinking the image via component would be able to blow me away appears to be accurate. Needless to say, I have gotten some PMs that assure me that if I do A, B and C I'll see the pq I've been hearing about.

Thanks to Mike I'll be able to get the DVI adapter and find out if this will address the situation. If it isn't then I am prepared to move on. Either way, I'll be able to make future decisons regarding my PJ and upconverting dvd players with some personal experience. I'll just consider the money I've lost learning expenses.

JGDragov -- Please accept my compliments on your kind and thoughtful response to an earlier poster's offer to send you $10 so that "we can all get on with our lives." I would have been tempted to suggest, instead, that the earlier poster get a life period -- or at least more sleep. :)

I want the 880N now, please .....

Originally posted by wblynch
After over 8 months of usage of my Momitsu V-880, I have learned that I get the best picture using 720P over component.

I had been using DVI with the 768-Wide setting for a native-rate signal.

Imagine my surprise to learn that I could get an even BETTER picture by using 720P over component. Even 1080i component doesn't play as well.

Given the multitude of combinations between TVs/displays/projectors and differences in cables, I think it's impossible for anyone to make definitive judgements as to which is the best connection method.

I am grateful that the V-880 allows choices in order to select the best combination for me.

;)

Wblynch,
It is posts like this that really make me stand up and take notice. Here you are a Momitsu owner/user of 8 months that I am sure has spent countless hours testing this unit(lord knows the hours I've put in in just 2 days). Your's should truly be considered an "expert" opinion on this subject.

I am considering the advice of some posts about getting a dvi/vga cable to improve the picture and achieve a 768 native rate signal. But if I'm understanding your post correctly, you're saying the image via 720p is great which I could attest to myself. It seems likely that after I spend more time and money securing a dvi/vga setup I still will not be satisfied. I could even be disappointed considering your viewpoint that the 720p provides an "even BETTER picture " than the 768 signal.

Also, another concern I have from reading another thread in which a fellow LT240K owner has the V880 is that the image is vertically stretched on widescreen dvds during 768p playback. This is due to the 240 being a native 4:3 projetor. I would think the settings should solve this problem but it appears he has had to buy an anamorph lens to do so. I think it's time for me to ask my Toshiba SD4900 for forgiveness and send the V880 packing.

This may be hard for some to believe but the image quality difference I get from both these players is minimal at the most. Consider the facts that the 4900 has a much better remote, doesn't require any blanking of black bars(I had to do this on Deep Blue Sea on the Momitsu) and costs $200 less, I think I should go back to the Toshiba.

Hmmm, anyone interested in a Momitsu V880? ;)

Thanks wensteph, great info over there...

From JGDragov: "You can view 1000 different posts regarding the V880(and I'm sure there are more than that) and you will get 1000 different testimonials. It's amazing the contradictions you'll get about this unit even in the same threads."

Well, all I can say is that I have read mostly all the postings on this forum about the Momitsu V-880 and have NOT seen 1000 different testimonials. I have read that the vast majority of owners compliment the unit with high praise and a veritable handful complain about poor results or dissatisfaction.

I am speaking of picture quality and not operational stability which seems to have improved with each release of freely available firmware updates. I have read post after post after post from people elated with the V-880's picture delivery.

It is my contention that Mr. JGDragov is determined to not be satisfied and I believe that he should rid himself of the albatross that is the cause of so much consternation. (or should that read, constipation?)

There are a certain number of whining, snivelling, malcontents that will never be satisfied with a given situation and seem driven to drown any sympathetic ear with their sorrowful reports. Mr. JGDragov appears to be one of these.

So as I count it, it seems to be 995 satisfied, happy V-880 users and maybe 5 dissatisfied. --- 4 of those have moved on.

I am left to wonder how much longer before Mr. JGDragov joins them?

wblynch,
Oouch! Why don't you tell me how you really feel? First, please call me Jeff, my dad is Mr. JGDragov. Second, the 1000 different testimonials are in reference to the player giving a great 720p and 1080i image thru component out as opposed to a jaw dropping "WoW" image, hence the title of this post. While I understand a DVI input would greatly help, if not eliminate any quibbling over the image quality, you are not being genuine if you don't acknowledge the fact that not everyone is as smitten with the image as yourself. If you truly have read most of the posts you will have noticed that there seems to be great debate on this. Some people say "wow", some say "very good" and some say"so-so" but I'll concur with you that very few people say the image is bad. I haven't had the time to count them like you have, but 4 seems about right. Also, if you truly think that the purpose of my postings are to gain sympathy then I think even an advanced member like yourself forgets what this forum is for.
I quoted your post because on this topic because I truly viewed yours as expert with regards to the player. When you were counting the posts surely you must have seen mine which stated the the picture quality WAS very good. The fact that my other player's image was also very good made me wonder whether I was missing something or doing something wrong. Again, isn't this what AVSforum is for?
Finally, your contention that I am determined not to be satisfied with a player I was spending $300 on makes no sense. If you are the type of preson who spends time and energy on something with a determination to be dissatisfied, then you and I are just different people I guess.
The V880 provides a great image via component, not extraordinary, out to my PJ. The remote is terrible. This has been my experience with this player. I hope this doesn't offend your sensibilities. And dude, if you are going to go around calling people whining, sniveling, malcontents you better have some thick skin becuse some people might not respond as kindly as I have

Very well, dude, whatever...

While I don't have universally glowing praises for the V880, I don't think it is the incarnate of evil or joy. In my view:

What the V880 does well:
1. It has played every DVD I have ever loaded into it
2. It has played every DVD smoothly
3. It does upconvert as advertised and my TV has no compatibility problems with the signal via component or DVI/HDMI
4. Passes the HD color matrix via DVI (1080i/720p)

What the V880 does not do well:
1. Lack of fine detail regardless of output or upconversion mode
2. Issue with DVD subtitle and menu selection jitter with 1080i
3. Front panel On/Off button responsiveness
4. Less than stellar remote (but usuable)
5. Passes the SD color matrix via component (1080i/720p)

Of the negative points only #1 is a real "issue" to me. Other people have other issues. That's fine. Perhaps the forthcoming upgrade kit will improve matters, maybe not.

The V880 has been a fun player for me: got my feet wet with upconversion, have had fun modifying it, even enjoyed watching the picture (despite the lack of fine detail).

Well I'm on my second V880 and am about to return it for the same reasons as the first. It works beautifully for the first five or so movies. Then it starts showing this weird solid white line at the bottom of the image in 1080i mode. It disappears when I switch to 720P. Okay, fine. I can live with that. But then the stuttering and stopping starts while watching movies. I really cannot explain the feeling I get when this happens while watching a movie with my significant other (who knows damn well how much I spend on my audio/visual toys and never lets me forget it). I guess I'll just keep returning it until I get one that can actually play movies. This is what it's supposed to do, right? So I'm now sitting at 0 for 2. Am I just unlucky?

Originally posted by ride525
So far I think my DVD collection only includes USA DVDs. What am I missing now that I have a Momitsu?

Thanks

Jeff

A few of my guitly pleasures:

1.) Time Cop - PAL/Region 2 widescreen

2.) Farewell to the King - PAL/Region 2

3.) Love and Human Remains - PAL/Region 4

4.) Twin Town - PAL/Region 4 widescreen

5.) Macrocosmos - PAL/Region 2 widescreen

6.) White Mischief - PAL/Region 2 - Greta Scacchi naked...Woohoo!

...plus too many more to list that are not available in Region 1 or NTSC format including tons of goodies from Brazil in NTSC Region 4.

-Toonces

I had a Panny RP82 that died, and I replaced it with the V880. The V880 produces a noticibly better picture on my Toshiba 50HDX82. I think the main reason for this is that the Toshiba converts all 480 i/p signals to 540p, and does a very mediocre job of it. By sending it a 1080i signal from the V880, I bypass this conversion.

I have an XGA projector W/O DVI :( and I want the best possible picture from my DVD player. Does the DVI-to-VGA adapter really provide a better picture? Is there a big difference be the SD and HD color matix? I am guessing that in using DVI-to-XGA will bypass the PJ internal scaler and therefore should have less scaling artifacts then doing a double conversion 480i->720P/1080i (V880) -> XGA (PJ). I also read somewhere about an updated (hardward version) of the V880 that is suppose to have mulitple DACs(?) for better component output. Can anyone comment on this?

I prefer to use component as I have a component matrix switch box and do not want to run this through my PC KVM for lack of remote control.

Thanks for any feedback and advise!

RK

htaddict1513: If u prefer component video, Zenith DV318 is supposed better at it. Momitsu's true potentials lies with its DVI mode.

I've seen more reports that the V880 using component beats (though only slightly) the Zenith at component than the other way around. True, Secrets gave better marks to the Zenith, but this only tests a few aspects of the player, not the overall player performance. I have not tried the Zenith myself, so can't comment on it other than for what I've read, but the Momitsu does a great job using component. No one that I know of has had a chance to test the revised V880 coming out soon, but Momitsu is saying component will be noticeably improved. If that is the case, I think the V880 will be a clear winner over the Zenith.

sure. CJayB. We still dont know for sure when revised V880 shall be coming out though. I am waiting for it myself.

im yet to make a jump to one of these playes due to not wanting to be disapointed. I owned a XP50 and to tell the truth yes it is a better machine than my Pioneer 563A..... definitely! but not so much where I was like wow I cant stand to watch the 563A.

so considering I listen to alot of DVD-A/SACD and not wanting 2 players on the same rack the XP50 went bye bye. considering I only paid $70 for mine shipped and sold it for $170 was not a terrible thing.

I do miss it on the projector but this is the reason I cant seem to jump on one of these upconverting players. I dont want to be disapointed. plus DVD-A/SACD and over component is important and 1 out of three doesnt sell me. im hoping in the near future a machine comes out with all these things and costs in the $200 range.

all I can do is cross my fingers.

The chances of very many NEW dvd players with upconversion over Component is very, very slim.

Already there are reports that the Sigma chipsets (used in Momitsu and Bravo) will have features that prevent the upconversion over component.

There are also murmurings that the Zenith DVB-318 will have its upscaling over component disabled as well. It isn't clear whether a new firmware version will be applied to the Zenith, or if the model will be superseded by another.

So you see.... what you wish for, Upscaling over component, with DVD-A/SACD and in the $200 range, will probably never come to fruition.

I hope it does, but with that stinking "dvd forum" and Hollywood's paranoia, I think we will all have long grey beards before we ever see it.

I think I will wait for the updated version with 2 sets of DACs and then try it both ways. Understanding that outputting XGA over the DVI-VGA connection is going to only pass through one scaling process I think this will be the way to go. In real world PQ will the DVI-VGA adapter provide as good as a DVI-DVI connection?

I am not the person who runs the DVD benchmark tests but I have helped Kris out on occasion, so you will have to forgive any inaccuracies I may have.

On the Momistsu he tested, the component output (affected by the analog stage) was extremely rolled off at higher freq. It is clearly visible on the vertical bar freq test on AVIA, everything above. This was also the case on the D1. They had very poor analog sections leading to very soft pictures lacking in detail.

Now DVI is another situation entirely. The D2 looked extremely sharp, I noticed it very easily with the crisp lines in the avia menus. If it wasn't for the remote issues with my Pioneer Elite I might have moved to it instead of my 2900 for video, in spite of some of the other areas it is lacking (deinterlacing). (note, the D2 does have a better analog stage as well, the freq response is not as rolled off)

Bottom line....DVI on the D1 and momistsu is the way to go. If you are using component inputs, there are better options.

Originally posted by ptaaty
On the Momistsu he tested, the component output (affected by the analog stage) was extremely rolled off at higher freq. It is clearly visible on the vertical bar freq test on AVIA, everything above. This was also the case on the D1. They had very poor analog sections leading to very soft pictures lacking in detail.


Most TV's analog input is severely non-linear. Even 10 years ago, my company developed a digital encoder, we were at Panasonic, the full-bandwidth NTSC signal 'choked' the Panasonic TV, they refused to believe their TV design was band-limited....finally they pulled out a disguised Sony PFM monitor, and bingo, we displayed the test patterns on the PFM perfectly.

Hence, it may be that the premature cut-off of the Sigma based player actually allowed the common TVs to display a better picture.

Paul Bigelow,
Could you elaborate on the subtitle issue? I watch foreign films, so my player has to handle subtitles well. Thank you.

Glad to Notti,

There was a thread recently that shows it:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=410842

The subitles aren't unreadable, they just do not look right -- the letters looked misformed.

Even Momitsu's on-line V880 manual shows the same issue with the captures of the configuration screen, if you look very closely. It's almost as if the top few pixels of the letters are cut and shifted up a few pixels.

Best regards,

Paul Bigelow

I have a Z1 fp hookup DVI-VGA It blows me away. I have no thoulbe at all
at 1080i or 720p. I am at 720p.
I had the Z1 for over a year. LQQKS like a new fp.
106" screen (the wall)

Originally posted by Larry LLL
I am at 720p.
I had the Z1 for over a year. LQQKS like a new fp.
106" screen (the wall)

I just got a V880 yesterday. Connected to a Z2 over DVI, setting the output to 720p, the difference is pretty subtle. I swapped discs between the two players and it wasn't at all obvious.

I was expecting a bit more, especially since I'm comparing it to a bottom-of-the-line (free) player with s-video out.

Maybe it will be more apparent after I calibrate the Z2 for this player, but I'm a bit surprised given all of the comments like "looks like a new fp". I wonder if this is a difference between the Z1 and the Z2. Maybe the Z1 benefits more from using the scaler in the V880.

Paul Bigelow,
Thanks for the reply. Secrets review notes "The video frequency response is heavily rolled off in the upper frequencies, contributing to a softening of finer detail on screen." I guess this is the source of "lack of fine detail" that you and others mention. Can this be solved by firmware at some point or is it a hardware issue? I am not tech savvy and don't know how to interpret the sentence above.

Other features of 880 interest me, so I am going to buy it anyway. But it's another reason to buy 880 if better picture is on the way. Will stop bugging you with this question. Thanks.

You're welcome!

Secrets of Home Theater's Kris Deering, as of yet (right Kris?), has no means of measuring the frequency response from the DVI connection. So, the rolloff is for the component connection and the softness in the compoent picture is noticible in the example Kris tested. My unit, I suspect, behaves the same way as the static high frequency tests in DVE and AVIA are not reproduced accurately.

Others may/will report differently.

The DVI connection "looks" a bit better in reproducing the high frequency static DVE/AVIA tests yet there is still (in my example) missing detail when viewing movies. I can repeat the results.

Others may/will report differently.

What might settle the issue is how the Avia "moving zone plate" test is reproduced. With some players the test disintegrates into a virual unrecognizable mass -- nothing like the original pattern. This happens for me with the Momitsu as it appears to be unable to handle the high frequencies AND motion. I have a little Terapin TT-1800 (motion adaptive) that does surprisingly well in this test -- betters a Sony RDR-GX7 or a LG LST-3510a.

Momitsu is going to offer a hardware upgrade to the next shipments of the V880 which might improve the "softness" seen at the component output. We shall see.

when i setup my folk's hx1 w/ a v880 running a custom res of 1400x788 over dvi,
the moving zone plate test remained crisp and sharp. looked like smudge
over the 720p component.

I would like to try a custom DVI setting but have not found one that works despite the calculator, powerstrip, guessing.....

After some comparisons I still think the momitsu delivers a superior picture to just about anything else.However I guess it does have some problems.
I just sold one on ebay to a guy and it played everything and worked great for me.Now after he has used it awhile he is experiencing some lockup problems.Is this the dreaded loader problem and will it be fixed when momitsu releases the new upgraded player.Will people be able to exchange or upgrade there present momitsu players?

Originally posted by lcubed
when i setup my folk's hx1 w/ a v880 running a custom res of 1400x788 over dvi,
the moving zone plate test remained crisp and sharp. looked like smudge
over the 720p component.

Should be trying the same thing on Mon or Tue ;)

Has anyone tried 1440x960P@72HZ via RGB/component? Will it support this resolution?

What makes this DVD player such a hit?

-dvi
-upconversion over dvi and component
-custom resolutions
-region free
-PAL->NTSC
-macrovision free
-inexpensive

what did I miss???

- regular free firmware upgrades available over internet

- plays avi files
- not just region free, but region selectable without modifications

- not hdcp restrictive

- brightness, contrast, saturation is user adjustable

- plays (most) divx files, allegedly supports add-on subtitle files

I am currently making the decision to buy the Zenith or the Momitsu V880N. I prefer to use component on my new Hitachi S715 because my receiver switches the component signal between my DVD and my HD Tivo. I have read nothing but good things about the Zenith at 1080i over component for the price. However, the ability of the new Momitsu to synchronize with my iTunes library has me pretty psyched. I already have a network drop at the location of my DVD player for XBox live.

Does anyone know if the upconversion over 1080i fix will be included in the V880N or will upconversion over component be blocked on the newer unit? I would be interested in any info and any opinions.

Originally posted by memphismafioso
However, the ability of the new Momitsu to synchronize with my iTunes library has me pretty psyched.

Wow...I wonder how that works....though it sounds like I still need a computer running iTunes all the time.

And, I haven't gotten around to migrating my iTunes to my server (anybody know if there's a iTunes to iTunes synchronization/migration tool?)

I had pretty much settled that I would probably get the V880....but now the V880N is sounding interesting. I been thinking that it would be nice to access the 30Gs in my iTunes collection in the living room (other than hooking my laptop to the stereo)....especially since I just dropped my iPod for the last time this morning :mad:

I have 802.11g bridging my living room with the 'computer' room...so I could do it...though I'm trying to rationalize another computer ;)

The Dreamer.

EDIT: Or does it really synchronize...meaning that I plug in a harddrive and it actually has the files afterwards?

Someone from Sigma posted on here (somewhere about a month ago) that Sigma will be disabling the HDCP bypass on their boards soon.

I believe he said to the effect, "We will be making it impossible for the OEMs to disable HDCP". I believe he also inferred that there would be no more upscaling of copy-protected disks over component.

I do not know if that statement will refer to the 880-N since he could mean "new boards" and the 880-N uses a current board. Or if he meant "new shipments of boards".

I wish I could remember the thread and that man's name.

oh oh. And I was gonna give up on Zenith coz they are diabling component upconversion. Someone please confirm whether new V880s and V880N shall allow upconversion or not?

Until the new V880 and V880Ns are released, I don't think we are going to get a confirmation of whether they will be able to upscale copyprotected DVDs or not, but it is extremely unlikely that this ability won't be there. Without it there would be very little demand for these units unless they droppd the price by more than half. I think Sigma is going to disable the ability to bypass HDCP only on future versions of its chips. Get 'em now, while the gettin's good.

I know..Im just waiting for the 'updated' version. Does not makes sense to buy one now since I know that they are upgrading the DACs right now and the remote. Will buy them once the new ones come out. May just skip the 880N since who knows, that might slip again

Originally posted by wblynch
Someone from Sigma posted on here (somewhere about a month ago) that Sigma will be disabling the HDCP bypass on their boards soon. ... I wish I could remember the thread and that man's name.

That was me... :)

So if its true, will the Momitsu's updated V880 and V880N be affected by this change?

Originally posted by kjack
That was me... :)

Ah, of course it was.

Thanks Keith. Can you tell us what to expect in the future in the behavior of the Sigma products and how soon this behavior will make it's presence?

Thank you again, Bill Lynch

Not yet at extremephono.I just got one today that has it.

I'm still not convinced. I am tempted to get this but i dont want a player that freezes or is buggy. My wife has put up with all my indulgences so far but if she has trouble playing dvds and has to constantly keep rebooting or something, i may get booted. Is this thing fee from problems? Aslo can it do sacd or dvd audio? if not how good is the sound?

wait for the updated version of Momitsu that comes out in September. That should have bug fixes as well, I think.

(also posted on Momitsu v880N thread)

I just got a momitsu v880 last week and have it hooked up to my mitsubishi 62525 via a dvi->hdmi cable from pacificables. (JBeach: After reading your post, I see that you have a similar setup and will probably come across a similar issue):

I bought the momitsu b/c of its supposedly amazing dvi output and region-free abilities, but none of the preset dvi settings work well with the Mitsubishi 62525 except 480p. Both 720p and 1080i on all frequencies come out jumbled and 480p wont do, so I've tried to come up with custom settings that will work. The closest I've come is by using EmuMannen's program in conjunction with Powerstrip's preset timings for a 1024x720p HDTV. It's much better, but there are still a lot of jittering pixels... Does anyone have a similar setup and solved these issues? Conversely, how does one make minor adjustments to the custom settings - which variables should be adjusted first (and by how much)?

In the meantime, I've been using 720p via components for some pretty great dvd pq, which I'm satisfied with (but the promise of dvi is nagging me).

Thanks in advance.

So forgive me for asking a somewhat simplistic question, but (apart from the principle of the whole thing) if HDCP were to be enabled on future versions of the momitsu, what problems woud that cause? Are there many projectors/TVs with nonHDCP DVI inputs around? If there are I apologize!

Jimbob

AFAIK, most plasmas don't have an HDCP compliant DVI input.

If Momitsu launches HDCP enabled players there is also a strong possibility they won't output an analogue upscaled (720p/1080i) signal in order to comply with the DVD license.

Originally posted by yeggman
I just got a momitsu v880 last week and have it hooked up to my mitsubishi 62525 via a dvi->hdmi cable from pacificables. (JBeach: After reading your post, I see that you have a similar setup and will probably come across a similar issue):

I bought the momitsu b/c of its supposedly amazing dvi output and region-free abilities, but none of the preset dvi settings work well with the Mitsubishi 62525 except 480p. Both 720p and 1080i on all frequencies come out jumbled and 480p wont do, so I've tried to come up with custom settings that will work.
I have a Bright House HD cable STB hooked up to the HDMI connector of my 62525 with a PacificCables DVI<>HDMI cable. My Momitsu v880 connected with component video cables.

I did try the v880 with the DVI<>HDMI cable to see if it produced a better image. It does seem to be a sharper image with the digital connection. I didn't seem to have the trouble you had though. My only problem was figuring out how to turn the v880 DVI connection back off to reactivate the component connection. There is a small scroll-bar arrow at the bottom of the DVI options list that indicates (correctly) that you can scroll the list down to find the "Off" setting. Took me quite a while to "see" it... :(

I haven't tried any v880 customization yet.

My long term plans are to move the cable to the CableCard connection, then relocate the v880 to DVI. CableCard issues with other have put a small hold on my plans. I'm not sure Bright House has ever installed a CableCard correctly. I'll wait a while...

-jb

Originally posted by Toastermax
I'm still not convinced. I am tempted to get this but i dont want a player that freezes or is buggy. My wife has put up with all my indulgences so far but if she has trouble playing dvds and has to constantly keep rebooting or something, i may get booted. Is this thing fee from problems? Aslo can it do sacd or dvd audio? if not how good is the sound?

I'm a happy v880 owner. The player locked up on me once, when I overheated it... had it stacked on top of A/V receiver. The player refused to open its tray once... when I had the receiver stacked on it! Otherwise, ZERO problems.

DVI to digital FP is excellent, and is the one area where I would highly recommend it. I don't know if I would bother for a CRT or plasma based display... I'd certainly look for others that have tried the particular combo first. For a component hookup, I'd look to Zenith 318.

It doesn't do DVD-A or SACD. It has digital coaxial and optical outputs.

The remote codes conflict with Pioneer equipment.

I took a chance on it, and got lucky... so far. If it starts to act up, I'll be looking at Denons.

I am hearing that V880 Deluxe and V880N are going to start shipping this week or next weekly. Reported at V880N thread....have my fingers crossed for this one!

Extremephono bumped up the price for V880 Deluxe to 279!! This is ridiculous. They first bumped their price for deluxe even before it was released and then delayed. Now again..seems that I shall give that one a pass, unless it outperforms Denon 1910. Lets see how many takers at that price...

I agree, it seems odd that the Momitsu is going UP in price, when most other players are going down. They must think they can get it. Maybe they're right.

From what I've read so far, the 1910 doesn't beat the 880.

Well..I know Denon does not beat it but the price is certainly lower than Momitsu. The only real difference now is region-free and component upconversion. Latter does not bother me a lot...I NEED region-free...but now I doing some serious thinking abt momitsu..cheaper build quality, worse remote, online ordering/return inconveniences...lets see what the reviews are with the new Momitsu

Momitsu plays 4x3 AR material properly also... 1910 doesn't.

Ya...but I can live with that since worst case, I shall not upconvert the 4:3 material..and that fixes that issue. Did think of one adv of Momitsu..more responsive with their firmware upgrades...dont know how/if Denon sends upgrades often.

When was the last time Momitsu offered a firmware upgrade?

I think they have given up support for our delightful little V-880

Momitsu have been offering updates every three months or so. It's only been a few days more than three months.

what is the buffer memory on Momitsu? Do u notice a layer change on it?
BTW, extremephono just announced that the new price of $279 is also going to go up again!! LOL.

No internet connection for two days because of Frances, and look what's available now!

Anyway, does anybody know what's so "delux" about this new version? I'm ready to place an order but want to know what I am getting for the extra $.

Layer change delay is about average. About 1 second. More or less depending on the disc. Some discs are better than others for layer changes...

Also posted this on the other thread, want to see if anyone out here knows the answer:

Does anyone besides Extremepho know abt the V880 Deluxe and if so, what is its price, for USA. Other vendor seem to have lower price for V880 but are not sure abt Deluxe version...whatz going on? I cannot believe only extremephono is getting a new player with better DACs and new remote, etc...

I scanned this thread as well as a couple of others, and the manual and could not seem to find any reference to changing the region settings on the 880. Could someone please help me out?

I ran into my first regional coding error the other day......

for changing the region coding goto the setup page and the bottom choice will get you there

To easy....Thanks CJM.

I just got my momitsu V880 setup with my Sanyo PLV-Z2 and sound is output to an OutlawAudio 1050 6.1 channel reciever. I've noticed some issues with sound output on Finding Nemo and now the StarWars Trilogy DVD's (yes I received them early from Deepdiscount) . If I have sound set to Digital\Encoded. I get lapses in sound every 10 seconds or so that last 1-2 seconds. If I set sound to Analog, everything is good. I'm using the optical cable for output. I thought it might be the momitsu as I'm pretty certain I've watched nemo using this same receiver with a different DVD player and all was well.

NOTE** I have not upgraded the firmware yet on the momitsu. I have the CD (about a month or two old) from Hkflix to upgrade with, but I wanted to verify I had issues before flashing this thing right out of the box.

Any thoughts?

Thanks in advance for any advice.

Gatcha~

I just got my momitsu V880 setup with my Sanyo PLV-Z2 and sound is output to an OutlawAudio 1050 6.1 channel reciever. I've noticed some issues with sound output on Finding Nemo and now the StarWars Trilogy DVD's (yes I received them early from Deepdiscount) . If I have sound set to Digital\Encoded. I get lapses in sound every 10 seconds or so that last 1-2 seconds. If I set sound to Analog, everything is good. I'm using the optical cable for output. I thought it might be the momitsu as I'm pretty certain I've watched nemo using this same receiver with a different DVD player and all was well.


MEGAGatchaman,

Were the DVDs encoded Dolby 5.1 EX? I have an Outlaw 1050 as well, and there's a known issue with audio dropouts for 5.1 EX encoded material. There's a workaround if you think this is the problem, just let me know.

Ted

Thanks for the quick reply Ted. I think these might be but I'll have to check after work today. Any info you can give me on the work-around?

Thanks again,

Gatcha~

MEGAGatchaman,

Here's an e-mail I received from Outlaw Audio on this issue. It's a 1050 issue with nothing to do with the V880:

"Dolby Digital EX is a special Dolby Digital surround track that contains an additional sixth channel of information. This sixth channel is designed to be played back in a center-surround speaker. The symptoms you are describing are most likely caused by the Dolby EX flag encoded on Dolby EX DVD's. To resolve this you must enter the 1050's speaker configuration menu and select 'CS' center surround to 'ON'. This will allow you to play EX encoded material with a 5.1 speaker array without experiencing the momentary dropouts. The following is being reproduced here but was originally posted in the Saloon:

When the Model 1050 was developed almost 4 years ago the design team implemented format flag recognition software that was fully compatible with the then-current DD EX technology. We tested the unit with the discs and test material that was available at that time for certification purposes. Unfortunately, one of the down sides of being so ahead of our time was the fact that the first discs that had the final version of the flag were not released for almost three years after the 1050 was introduced, and during that time it appears that Dolby made some modifications to the original flag software in a manner that makes some EX discs incompatible with the Model 1050 s internal software. This is not a fault of either Outlaw or Dolby, but rather an unfortunate by-product of trying to hit a moving technological target. Since the Model 1050 is not, nor has ever been, advertised as upgradeable we regret that we are unable to revise the software to accommodate the changes that occurred after the product was certified and put into production. Please keep in mind that this issue is only relevant when your system has a 5.1 speaker setup; systems with six speakers are not affected. For those with only five main speakers, the easiest way to get around any flag-related issues is to simply listen to the disc's DTS or PCM soundtrack, as DTS and PCM tracks do not produce this issue. Fortunately, virtually all of the discs that contain the EX flag also offer a DTS sound track. Of course, we might also suggest that you consider adding a sixth speaker so that you will not only resolve this issue but enjoy the full 6.1 soundfield provided on the disc. I am confident that selecting 'CS' in the speaker configuration menu will prevent the audio dropouts that you were experiencing."

Hope this helps.
Ted

Ted=teh response master....

Thanks again Ted. This place is awesome. I'm certain that's what I've run into. To bad about the outlaw, dang I still love this receiver though. I'll try adding that last rear surround and/or running the bypass.

Gatcha~

HiYall,
Got a Panny 500 Front Projector and a Momitsu 880. I use a 16:9 Screen. The keystoning on the pj is set a zero.
When I come out of the 880 in component, the 16:9 test pictures from Digital Video Essentials fits exactly into the white area of the screen with NO overlap in to black borders. Perfect, just as it should be. When I come out of the Mom 880 in DVI I get overlap into the black and some of the the screen is white, in other words, the geometry with dvi is not the same as with component. There is a difference of about - 1/2'' width and - 3/8 '' height (at 92'' Diagonal) Ceiling mounted, untouched by humans between both tests ;)
What can I do to fix this??? Any ideas out there??? Custom resolution ???
PS: For those of you that are still sitting on the fence wondering if you should but a 880, don't, just buy it - it's great.
Mike

Anyone seen the problem I have at the moment with the 880.

Currently, when I put a disk in, it will not play it. No numbers display on the display. I also can't eject the disk. If I just leave it alone, after a while it will just open the tray. Later it will close it.

Any ideas?

joubert
I had this problem yesterday, I had put the DVD up side down in the tray.
Also, could be your region setting - go to the secret menu and select the correct region code.
Mike

Try unplugging the player and plugging it back in. It won't play any disc, correct -- not just this one?

Mike, I tried what you said, but nothing. But, I think the problem is bigger.

Paul, I had already tried unplugging it. I even left it unplugged for a few hours.

The first problem I see when I plugin the power is that the green power light is on. But, it never shows any of the "running numbers" stuff. And like I said before, it will open and close the tray automatically, maybe, every 30 minutes.

I wonder if my loader is the problem. Looking at this thread
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=447971&highlight=momitsu
talks about it. What also worries me is that the person mentions that support was not that helpful.

I have send email to their support. Will wait for Monday to see what they say (hope they answer in a timley manner).

Also, is there a support phone number I can call?

--joubert

Has anyone bought the Monitsu from this site?

http://www.hkflix.com/home.asp

Thanks in advance.

Red Dwarf,
I never bought anything from them, but I know many Asian film enthusiasts buy DVDs from them. They have been around for a number of years, so I guess they are alright. My statement won't gurantee anything though.

Originally posted by Red Dwarf
Has anyone bought the Monitsu from this site?

http://www.hkflix.com/home.asp

Thanks in advance.

Price for the Momitsu on this site is great. Unfortunately their return policy is the worst. They hit you with a high restocking fee and only offer store/site credit, no refund.

I don't know of any site that will refund the V880 purchase -- if you decide to return it! Extremephone is the most visible site on this forum regarding the unit and they will not accept returns. I doubt the taipai site will either.

I haven't bought any hardware from HKFlix, but I have bought many DVDs from them.

They are a great place to buy from. I had an error in shipment once and they responded to my emails immediately and corrected the problem at no cost to me whatsover.

Is everyone's Momitsu 880 Deluxe as loud as mine is? Whrrrrrrrrr

Mine is quiet as heck. Cannot get it to go into 1080 due to on screen menu dissapears and I go through the Setup < > < > thing but it stays on 780 and pic is awesome. Just would like to try 1080. Maybe someone could guide me. I really love the machine - hate the remote cause it has no distance, maybe 10 feet. Harmony remote does a good job but as a guy with bad eyes can't make heads or tales out of some of the buttons. Only had machine 3 weeks and haven't tried that much with it but no complaints really. Have noticed machine runs hot and leave my glass doors open on my rack and have it all alone except for a DVI switcher on top of it.

I just ordered a new v880. Wish me luck.......

Originally posted by Red Dwarf
Has anyone bought the Monitsu from this site?

www hkflix com


I ordered one from them in July, no problems. I've been ordering DVDs from them for a few years, also never a problem. I like them, my experiences with them have always been good.

I just got this email from them on Sep 30 about the new Momitsu:

Dear Sir or Madam,

We hope you are enjoying your Momitsu V880 DVD player. We are pleased to
announce that the Momitsu V880N is in stock and shipping (as of last
Monday).

The Momitsu V880N features network compatibility through 10/100 Ethernet,
PCMCIA slot (wireless enabled), and a USB port. These features allow you to
listen to internet radio, stream MPEG-4 files from your computer to your TV,
permits playback of your Apple iTunes through your stereo, and much more.

As an existing Momitsu/HKFLIX customer, we are offering free shipping on
this unit through October 14, 2004. Please simply type "FREE SHIPPING"
followed by your previous HKFLIX order number that contained the Momitsu
V880, and you will receive free Ground shipping ($19.95 value). If you do
not know, or have forgotten your previous order #, please email us, and we
will look it up for you. The discount will be taken manually by our staff
and will not appear in your shopping cart when you check out.

For those who are not already aware, Momitsu USA has a customer support
email address: support@momitsu.com.

Another reminder: In order to view Region-1 RCE/RCA discs on your Momitsu
V880 or V880-dx, you must go into the service menu and manually put the
machine into region-1 mode.

Kind Regards,
HKFLIX com staff

Guys, so if my plasma doesn't support HDCP, can I still make use of the DVI?
Or the only way around it is DVI->RGB?

Your plasma does not have to support HDCP to use the Momitsu over DVI.

You have to have macrovision disabled on the Momitsu.

Thanks WBLYNCH,
got confused with this sentence in the manual:
"HDCP Copy Protection: A built-in Pass/Fail test uses HDCP authentication protocol to check a display's compliance."
Thought it wouldn't work if the TV will fail the test :)

I just received my V880-DX recently but I am having a problem properly setting up my DVI settings. Can anyone help? I have a Sony KP-51WS520 TV and am using an AudioQuest/CinemaQuest DVI cable. The cable is hooked up to an HDMI adapter and then into the HDMI input on the TV.
I was having a problem with video drop out (screen going randomly to black for a few seconds during playback). I emailed Momitsu, but have yet to hear back from them. HKFlix (where I purchased the unit) was unable to advise on settings either. The 1080i picture looked great, but the video drop out is a definite problem. To be honest, I am not that tech savvy. Help anyone? thanks!

mxblackjack, can you try component?

I have found that I get a better picture over component than DVI anyway.

Although you have a different TV, you may have similar results.

Sorry I can't help with DVI settings.

Oh, one other thing.

Have you checked the secret menu to make sure macrovision is turned off?

It must be turned off for DVI to work well.

I believe in "stopped" mode you press "down-up-down-up-right-left" to get in. (it's been a while)

Originally posted by DaveInBerlinNJ
DVI to digital FP is excellent, and is the one area where I would highly recommend it. I don't know if I would bother for a CRT or plasma based display...

Why is the Momitsu is not good for a CRT/plasma? I have a Mits RPCRT and it has a HDMI connection that supports HDCP. Will Momitsu work with my Mits?



Also, hows is the PAL-to-NTSC performance of the Momitsu. Can it scale PAL to 1080i NTSC over DVI? Are there any problems with it? (like flicker, noise, etc)

Any help will be greatly appreciated. I hope this is the player for me. Thank You!!

Originally posted by mxblackjack
I just received my V880-DX recently but I am having a problem properly setting up my DVI settings. Can anyone help? I have a Sony KP-51WS520 TV and am using an AudioQuest/CinemaQuest DVI cable. The cable is hooked up to an HDMI adapter and then into the HDMI input on the TV.
I was having a problem with video drop out (screen going randomly to black for a few seconds during playback). I emailed Momitsu, but have yet to hear back from them. HKFlix (where I purchased the unit) was unable to advise on settings either. The 1080i picture looked great, but the video drop out is a definite problem. To be honest, I am not that tech savvy. Help anyone? thanks!

I've never had that problem. Could it be setting on your TV? have you tried component out at 1080i/720? as suggested, make sure macrovision is disabled. Try another movie if you haven't already.

Why is the Momitsu is not good for a CRT/plasma? I have a Mits RPCRT and it has a HDMI connection that supports HDCP. Will Momitsu work with my Mits?

Momtsu works great with CRT RPTV, although it will certainly look best on a digital display. I have mine hooked up to Mits crt rptv, but my Mits has DVI. I can't speak for HDMI

Yes, I have Macrovision disabled.

I do not have component cables.
There was no video drop out using 720p with the DVI cable.
I even tried a S-Video cable just to be certain.
I believe that all of my settings are correct on the television and I am unaware of anything that may be configured incorrectly.
The drop out occured on every disc I tried (all different regions, both PAL and NTSC).
There is another "secret" menu off from the "Video Settings>HD DVI OUT" menu where you can customize your 1080i DVI settings (press "9713" on the remote to access). It has been suggested to me by HKFlix that this must be set up correctly for proper playback and is different for every TV set. The default settings caused the drop out. I tried some of the settings listed on the Momitsu site (there were no exact matches for my set) but failed to correct the issue. Anyone have any suggestions on this?
Will I really get the same or superior picture from component cables for 1080i vs. DVI?

Here are my player settings, for reference:

Service Menu: Region "0"
Macrovision "off"

Set up Menu: Audio Out: Analog/DPCM
HD DVI Out: 1080i 60Hz
HD YPbPr Out: off
TV Out: NTSC C/S-Video

VCD PBC: on
DVD Parental Level: off
TV Type: 16:9

I'm completely lost on the 14 custom DVI settings.

I found that by cycling through the video settings, I eventually found one that worked perfectly for my NEC plasma.

Just press Video and wait 5 seconds between presses. Hopefully one of the stored settings will work well. If not then you will have to create a custom setting.


"Do you need help creating custom resolution for your Momitsu V880?", Look here: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=330731&highlight=momitsu+custom

Secret/service menu? How can I get there on my v880? I searched and scanned this thread and found only mention of it.

Originally posted by Mike V
Secret/service menu? How can I get there on my v880? I searched and scanned this thread and found only mention of it.

There are two.

1) Macrovision on/off and Region Code setting menu: I believe in "stopped" mode you press "down-up-down-up-right-left" to get in. (it's been a while)

2) Custom DVI Settings menu: In "Setup", you press 9-7-1-3 to enter. Be careful here and note the original settings in case you need to restore them.

Thanks for the quick response. I'll give these a try later on this evening.

I think I'll try updating my firmware while i'm at it. I'm currently on 1.1.12. I see that there is an update available at the Momitsu site...this will be my first try at updating, wish me luck.

I got a new DVD burner and using Nero software have no problem copying 4.7gig dvds and playing them on the Momitsu. However, I can't play double layer DVDs. Is this a limitation of the player?

Thanks,
Kirk

I sold my 880DX. The case is cheap, the remote is weak and it has conflict with my Pioneer 1014. Every time I hit volume or almost any button on my Pioneer, it stops, rewind or forward the 880DX player. I do not want to deal with this problem everyday. Its picture is not bad, sound is great but I do not want it in my living room. It does not seems to worth $240.

Originally posted by ewclam9
I sold my 880DX. The case is cheap, the remote is weak and it has conflict with my Pioneer 1014. Every time I hit volume or almost any button on my Pioneer, it stops, rewind or forward the 880DX player. I do not want to deal with this problem everyday. Its picture is not bad but I still do not want this to stay in my living room. It does not worth $240.

i would have traded the pioneer for another brand 8-} !!

Originally posted by kwatkins
I got a new DVD burner and using Nero software have no problem copying 4.7gig dvds and playing them on the Momitsu. However, I can't play double layer DVDs. Is this a limitation of the player?

Thanks,
Kirk

I have the same problem...I think it is the player. Unfortunately, it also looks like Momitsu does not intend to release any further firmware updates for the non-DX models. I am using my Samsung 931 for the burned DL disks and it works fine.

-Toonces

Originally posted by lcubed
i would have traded the pioneer for another brand 8-} !!

I did exactly that.

I traded the Pioneer for a Denon and kept the Momitsu.

Never looked back.

No regrets.

Very happy now.

I just received a new Momitsu V880N from HKFlix. I went to set it up but found that the player will not respond to any commands from the supplied remote control.

I believe the remote is working because my learning universal remote control reads commands from the Momitsu remote. So at least something is coming out of the thing.

But the player will not respond to any commands from either remote. I've tried from all angles and distances. It seems the IR receiver is DOA.

I have sent email support requests to both HKFlix and Momitsu, so I get to test both support orgainizations.

I'm asking about this here, to see if anyone else has experienced this problem, or if I'm missing something stupid (it wouldn't be the first time).

Any comments would be welcome.

Thanks

PRGeno

HKFlix should send you a replacement but if (for whatever reason) they don't, you can try these ideas.

(Keep in mind that most hobbyists consider the V-880 a bit of a project device because you sometimes have to mod it to get it working stably. I kind of like this but other people don't)

Two ideas....

1) Momitsu is very sensitive to heat. If you've got yours stacked in between components or on top of your AVR, you may want to move it away and try when you know the unit's cold.

TIVO is the worst heat generating component I've ever seen.

2) I have had mine not respond and I ended up opening the entire unit and cleaning the IR sensor very carefully with a fine polishing cloth and also the plastic "window".

One person here even replaced the IR sensor with a higher-quality component. He was very happy after that.

-Bill L

reset the battery in the remote.

It was confirmed that the IR receiver was bad. The remote worked, but the unit wouldn't respond to the remote's commands.

Momitsu support was quite prompt and supportive. They contacted the reseller and authorized the replacement.

They wouldn't swap it in the air, so I have to wait for them to receive the one I shipped back before they will ship out the new one. Hopefully they will use the same overnight service I did when shipping back the bad one. I doubt it though.

In any case, I'm happy with how quickly Momitsu support handled the situation.

PG

Hi All,

I have a V880DX and it has just developed an intermittant fault. After the layer change on DVD's it will freeze up for a second or two and then continue on. It will do this repeatedly for the rest of the movie. Has anyone else had this problem on their players. My momitsu dealer has told me to run a cleaner on the machine which I have yet to do but I am not confident that this will achieve anything as it only happens after the layer change.

Cheers

Mav

Originally posted by Genovese
It was confirmed that the IR receiver was bad. The remote worked, but the unit wouldn't respond to the remote's commands.

Momitsu support was quite prompt and supportive. They contacted the reseller and authorized the replacement.

They wouldn't swap it in the air, so I have to wait for them to receive the one I shipped back before they will ship out the new one. Hopefully they will use the same overnight service I did when shipping back the bad one. I doubt it though.

In any case, I'm happy with how quickly Momitsu support handled the situation.

PG

I have had a similar issue. My remote will not work past about 4 feet. I emailed momitsu and they asked me to send it in. It is probably an issue with the IR receiver in the player. It just doesnt seem to be very responsive and is non-responsive further then 4-5 feet.

Other than this issue, i am very pleased with mine!

My remote was what I thought garbage and ran everything through my Harmony 659 remote but on occasion the following has happened with the factory remote. Works fairly well now but notice I have to double click to get it to work properly and the distance has gone to around 20 feet where I just about had to be right next to player to get it to work. By no means has it fixed itself but can't figure out why it has improved by itself. Battery is the same and no adjustments made. I use the Harmony around 90% of the time though. I have unit on 780 setting with DVI connection and have no problem with a store bought DVD but when viewing a home made DVD whether on a + or - disc I get freezing now and then but never on a bought movie disc and discs are Verbatims or Taio Yudens. These same discs play on my Sony DVD player with no problems and have even tried them on a playstation unit and no freezes but on a regular TV not HD.Guess I'm asking if anyone has had the same problem and could it be due to having it upping resolution combined with high def? Any feedback would be appreciated.

Originally posted by Genovese
It was confirmed that the IR receiver was bad. The remote worked, but the unit wouldn't respond to the remote's commands.

For future reference, if you have a digital camera with an LCD viewfinder, you can check whether a remote is functioning by looking at your remote on the camera's LCD screen. Digital cameras see into the infrared.

Whoa that's pretty cryptic. Kind of a Matrix thing. I'll have to try that!

I'm considering a new V880 but I have two questions. Does the remote offer discrete power on and off? I've searched quite a bit of the forums and didn't find this question. Also, can two outputs, such as DVI and Components be output at the same time? If not, can they be easily switched? I plan to use this player on two different TV's but don't want a hassle changing between them. I'm new here so go easy if these questions have already been answered.
Thanks,
-Shane

Ishanepowers, The Momitsu was great when it came out, however there are better units today at lower prices. The only reason to consider the Momitsu is the upscailing via component. If this is not necessary it might be wise to look at some of the newer models with fewer problems and better remotes.

OK I'll bite. What in your opinion is a better unit at a lower price?

The oppo is a decent unit and a great one is the Panasonic 97S. I owned a Momitsu and still have it but the 97S has a much better picture and has fewer problems. I would only get an upscailing player if you can use it on your set. The Panasonic uses HDMi and the OPPo uses DVI. Few units will upscale using component.

@rwestley

How is the S97 much better than the V880?
The V880DX has a decent remote, reads everything I throw at it and has user resolutions, very important in many cases besides not having HDCP.

Various camparisons show that the PQ difference is very small, if any.

Maybe some dvd that triggers a deinterlacer difference is the exception.

And for the time being the V880 smokes the Oppo, I have them both.

Originally posted by vjren
@rwestley

How is the S97 much better than the V880?
The V880DX has a decent remote, reads everything I throw at it and has user resolutions, very important in many cases besides not having HDCP.

Various camparisons show that the PQ difference is very small, if any.

Maybe some dvd that triggers a deinterlacer difference is the exception.

And for the time being the V880 smokes the Oppo, I have them both.
Do you find the PQ on the Momitsu a little soft? (I do). It's a great player though.
Does it have better PQ than the Oppo?
Thanks in advance.

Soft? The old one was soft , the last dx and n types are okay.

No macroblocking! Eat that you faroudija adicts :)

The oppo potential is good, but doesn't deliver, at the moment v880 is better. We have to see if firmware makes Oppo better.

Momitsu wont play some region one DVD’s :(

I just tried to play one of my region one DVD’s with my Momitsu set to region zero and it wont play. It gave me a screen that said ( This disk was intended to be played in a region one unmodified player ) and showed a map showing the region’s. :(

Has anyone else had this happen to them and what DVD was it ?

Mine was Bad Boys 2. I suppose I could just set the player to region one but I thought that region zero would play all regions ?

Regards

Grant

sdg72: that movie is probably checking for macrovision, the region coding probably isn't the real problem. Try setting it to Region 0 and turn macrovision on and see if it will play

Sdg72,

The Momitsu behaves like that because BB2 and a few other disks have RCE (Region Code enhancement).

To play those disks you will have to set the player specifically to R1.

OK, this might sound like a stupid question but is the V880 limited to how many times I can change the region code ?

No

I must say that I have been very happy so far with the momo the only complaint I had was the output needed a little boost with a Extron 120p to get the punch in the picture with my CRT PJ. but that did the trick and wow the picture is awesome.

If any one is using this unit with a 1272q Sony or similar with a custom DVI setting could you tell me what settings you found to be the best with a 4:3 60x80 screen. I am currently using 1152x864 at 59.94 and it seems to be about right with no raster overlap that I can see.

Originally posted by sdg72
I must say that I have been very happy so far with the momo the only complaint I had was the output needed a little boost with a Extron 120p to get the punch in the picture with my CRT PJ. but that did the trick and wow the picture is awesome.



Weak output? As in component or dvi?

I'm thinking about the V880DX, but will be running a 25ft dvi cable and don't want to get this unit if it's output is too weak for that long of cable run.

I've heard the Bravo D1 have problems with weak dvi outs and couldn't run a cable much longer than 8-10 ft.

??

Fleaman

Fleaman, i've run tests with 30ft cables, only the real el cheapo's are borderline. My default $30-40 cable is ok and same as HQ cable of $100.
Just don't try it at 45ft that will not work, even with HQ. (You can get it to work though, just on boot up it will not show, you need switching outputs to the same resolution, then it works again. (Some sort of unexplainable hard/software bug).

But then again 30 ft, np problemo.

Weak output? As in component or dvi?

Fleaman

I am using the DVI to RGB/HV adaptor since my CRT PJ can only accept analog signals. When doing this it is not unusual that the signal needs some boosting if the cable length is 20 feet or more. It also depends on the CRT PJ, some receive the signal fine and don’t need any boosting but others might.

I really don’t know if DVI is susceptible like Analog but if you are using a digital PJ like a single lens that has a digital input then I don’t think you will have any problems with the signal. Analog signals are very susceptible to the type and length of the cables. Both RGB/HV and Component.

I would recommend that you use a high quality cable no matter what type of signal you use for the run to the PJ there is a difference and you might not see it now but as you become more experienced you will. The last thing you want to do is try to pull new cables to the PJ after the room is finished.

Regards

Thanks for the answers!

I use bluejeans cables with success. Nice to know I shouldn't have a problem with a 25' dvi run.

Just had to ask though, 'cos of the Bravo D1 weak output problems of the past....

Yeah, it's a digital projector run, currently have a component run by bluejeans.

Fleaman

Your welcome ! If you are going to buy a MOMO I’m sure you will be happy. I really like mine and I have just the V880 not the DX. I have read that they have improved the D/A converters with the DX so the picture quality is supposed to be better.

Thanks for your welcome:D

Yeah, the V880DX is at the top of my list. Only care about dvi output quality and region free plus PAL to NTSC (have some PAL dvd's).

I currently have a H30 Optoma projector, but will probably be replacing it with an H31, which apparently shows it's best pic quality with the dvi in. Also, for some strange reason the H31 pic quality is improved greatly by upconverting to 720p or 1080i, even though no one can explain why (mathematically doesn't make sense on a 854x480 projector).

The only other upconverting dvi player that is region free seems to be the Oppo. Haven't finished reading that long thread, but it seems the Oppo's have its quirks, while I haven't noticed much in negative posts on the newer V880DX's so far (not the V880N's).

Any comments on my rational here?

Fleaman

I just bought the V8880-DX and have a question about the video settings. I know I am going to be slapped around for saying this but the one thing I don't like about it is that it insists on sending video out in OAR.

My TV cannot stretch a 1080i or 720/480p video feed, everything else video (VCR, Panny HS2 recorder, VOOM box etc.) gives the option to letterbox or pan and scan to fill the screen when there is a 4:3 OAR. I have tried the 4:3 letterbox setting and that does solve the 4:3 "problem" but it creates a 16:9 problem in that 16:9 material is more seriously squished and degraded. And, since the point of getting this unit was to improve movies (all widescreen, of course) it's not acceptable to leave the Momo in 4:3 Letterbox mode.

My question is this - is there a way around this? Is there a secret menu item or combination of settings that will give me what I have with every other video component I own - filling the screen with a stretched picture when non-16:9 material is being played back?

Other than that, I like this unit and think that it will be a good temporary technology until affordable HD-DVD becomes a reality in a a couple of yerars.

Originally posted by btokars

...the one thing I don't like about it is that it insists on sending video out in OAR.



Funny but the Zenith DVB-318 owers all complain because that unit stretches 4:3 without the option to leave it at 4:3

If that's a feature you need, then exchange the V-880 for a Zenith.

I have both an original V-880 and a Zenith and the V-880 has a superior picture.

btokars,

Have you tried using the 880's zoom feature in combination with other settings to see if you can get a satisfactory "stretched" picture?

I have had my V880 for about a year. It's PQ has been peerless upconverted to 1080i via a DVI connection to my 50" RCA DLP. But both its remote receiver and user interface are truly awful -- so awful that I sometimes regret having bought it.

The Momitsu remote receiver is so unresponsive that it is nearly impossible to stop a fast forward or fast reverse at the desired place. Trying to pause the picture or get to the menu is equally iffy. These problems have persisted with both the supplied remote and my Harmony 768 universal remote. Based on similar complaints I have read in this forum there is no doubt in my mind that these problems result from a design defect in the IR receiver, not from something being wrong with my unit.

The Info screen covers nearly the entire screen and automatically turns off when the chapter changes. Because of the unresponsiveness of the remote I have not even tried to have the player do anything beyond the basic functions necessary to play a DVD.

If I had been aware of these problems when I bought my Momitsu I would never have done so. I will continue to suffer with it until HD-DVD or BluRay players and DVDs become available but doing so will continue to make watching DVDs a lot more trouble than I believe is appropriate.

Originally posted by Belcherwm
btokars,

Have you tried using the 880's zoom feature in combination with other settings to see if you can get a satisfactory "stretched" picture?

I have played around with the zoom feature. It's not quite good enough at the first step, PQ-wise, for my taste but it does take care of the pillar problem. I'm probably going to put my my old Toshiba DVD player back into the system for those times when I have 4:3 OAR disk. Looking for a component switcher with Toslink now for this purpose.

Originally posted by gwsat


... both its remote receiver and user interface are truly awful -- so awful that I sometimes regret having bought it.

...there is no doubt in my mind that these problems result from a design defect in the IR receiver, not from something being wrong with my unit.



I had suffered similar problems with my Momitsu to the point where it would not respond to a remote at all.

Another early adopter once posted that he replaced the IR receiver on his unit.

I took mine apart, prepared to figure out how to perform the replacement when it started working again.

By carefully cleaning the IR receiver itself and the display window it hides behind, it now works wonderfully. I did not have to replace it.

It's a pain in the butt but if you take it all apart carefully and clean the receiver and window with a very soft polishing cloth you may also get lucky and have successful results.

I pass this on only as a suggestion as the procedure worked for me.

Take care all you V-880 aficionados.

wblynch -- Thanks, I have seen this tip before but have lacked the nerve to try it so far. I might do so, though, because if I could get the Momitsu IR receiver to be as responsive as those built in to my TV, receiver, and DVR I would certainly enjoy watching DVDs a lot more than I do now.

The problem is very frustrating because the V880 is really good in most ways.

3 Questions:

1) Is the v880DX (or non-DX if it's different) non-HDCP? I have a plasma w/ non-HDCP compliant DVI and need a player that will output non-HDCP over DVI.

2) My plasma is a 852x480 (EDTV). Will the DVI upconvert output still make a difference for me, or is it only better for true HDTV resolution displays?

3) Is there a "best place" to buy the v880DX?

Thanks.

Originally posted by popechild
3 Questions:

1) Is the v880DX (or non-DX if it's different) non-HDCP? I have a plasma w/ non-HDCP compliant DVI and need a player that will output non-HDCP over DVI.

2) My plasma is a 852x480 (EDTV). Will the DVI upconvert output still make a difference for me, or is it only better for true HDTV resolution displays?

3) Is there a "best place" to buy the v880DX?

Thanks.

1) Yes, you can use the DVI output on a non-HDCP compatible display.

2) Many people report getting a better picture even on an ED plasma. (Many report no visible improvement)

3) Don't know anymore. I bought mine from ********.com Others were buying them from ExtremePhono.com

Hmm...
I just checked the Extremephono site and noticed a note about conflicting remote IR codes with Pioneer receivers. Is this the same problem as with the Bravo D2? I'm trying to find a good non-HDCP dvd player, but I've got a new Pioneer VSX-1014 - do all 3 of the v880 versions have this remote problem?

Originally posted by popechild
Hmm...
I just checked the Extremephono site and noticed a note about conflicting remote IR codes with Pioneer receivers. Is this the same problem as with the Bravo D2? I'm trying to find a good non-HDCP dvd player, but I've got a new Pioneer VSX-1014 - do all 3 of the v880 versions have this remote problem?

The conflict in the IR codes is not just with the Pioneer receivers. The Momitsu V880 codes also conflict with Pioneer LD players as well.

-Toonces

Is it with all 3 v880 models? I read somewhere that the codes on the v880N might be different and not conflict?

Originally posted by popechild
Is it with all 3 v880 models? I read somewhere that the codes on the v880N might be different and not conflict?

Sorry, but I do not know the answer to that one. It's not really a big deal for me as I only have the LD issue and the power on/off codes do not conflict on the LD player. The only time it has been an issue is when I am transferring an LD to DVD on my ILO recorder. One, or another, of the Pioneer codes turns the Momitsu on. I just cover the IR receiver on the Momitsu with a small flat piece of plastic and it blocks the signal...It's a minor irritation, but certainly nothing worth dumping the otherwise excellent Momitsu over.

-Toonce

The V-880-N does not interfere with Pioneer codes

The V-880 and V-880 Deluxe do interfere with Pioneer codes

Hello.
The Momitsu website has new firmware for the 880DX.
It's version 1.1.17 and it adds new zoom modes, panning, and very helpfully, an XY scaling mode, which means you can size the picture to any aspect. This is one feature that helps me loads!

Originally posted by mdray

Hello.
The Momitsu website has new firmware for the 880DX.
It's version 1.1.17 and it adds new zoom modes, panning, and very helpfully, an XY scaling mode, which means you can size the picture to any aspect. This is one feature that helps me loads!


Wow, thanks for the heads up.

Although you don't state that it will work with the original V-880 I think I'll give it a go anyway and see what happens.

BTW, can you post a link to that download site?

Thanks, Bill

Originally posted by wblynch
Wow, thanks for the heads up.

Although you don't state that it will work with the original V-880 I think I'll give it a go anyway and see what happens.

BTW, can you post a link to that download site?

Thanks, Bill

I already posted this info earlier last night. I just update the old thread I had created

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=482712

Thanks Loopy !

Loopy let us know how the upgrade goes on the v880.

I have the deluxe, update went smoothly. I just got in 3 new netflix movies, so I will check things out tonight hopefully. I'm wondering if the new loader firmware provides smoother layer change, although TBH the v880dx for the most part has a pretty unnoticeable layer change, I really only notice it from time to time. You gotta use nero to burn the loader firmware, they packed it in .nrg format instead of .iso

I wonder if the firmware would work on the non deluxe model?

probably not. the deluxe has bigger memory capacity for firmware.

There is a "read me" in with the firmware that shows some non-dx versions might be able to upgrade.

Are there any non-dx units with 1.1.13 or higher?


Momitsu DVD player - V880-DX Firmware update version ver1.1.15 Release2
=======================================================
Important Note!
=======================================================
* This English-language firmware version is V880-DX ONLY.
* To verify if you have V880-DX: Please go to Setup Menu > Initial Steting> > Firmware version 1.1.13*
If your V880 is loaded with ver 1.1.13 frimware or avove, you can use this update.
If your V880 is loaded with ver. 1.1.12 or below, please DO NOT upadte with this version.

* After update, please use "Video" button to select Video output if there is no video on the screen.
* In order to get the best performance of video quality, Please do not connect SCART and component out put at the same time.


Verify from S/N number:
V880 S/N MT239Axxxxx
V880DX S/N MT93A4xxxxx

I had loaded ver. 1.1.14 on my non-dx V880, don't know if higher versions will load.

BTW, has anyone tried the new loader firmware thats available on the dx firmware page?

Higher versions will not load or work correctly on the V880 (non dx) I tried 1.13 and 1.14 but settings are lost or it doesn't load firmware al together.

Anyone any more luck?

OK,my V880-DX has the original firmware (ver.1.1.13) it was shipped with and never has been updated. Should I load all updates from ver.1.1.14, ver.1.1.15, ver.1.1.15 release 2, ver.1.1.17, and ver.8X6Q (05-05-05) 1 at a time or just the last update?

grumps: just go directly to 1.17. when they release new firmware they always include the fixes and additions from the previous version, so there is no need to install each firmware (they will just overwrite each other anyway)

Will do - and if any one can screw it up nobody can do it like I can.

if you have it available, plug your momitsu into an uninterruptible power supply before you update it. also, if you need to follow the onscreen insctructions, don't use DVI, cuz for some reason it won't display on the DVI

Have it set with DVI and to digital output on TV - looks like I gotta do some changing around before i attempt it - before I do it do you think it's worth the update? Am i glad I had a lunch break and oh shi% it's Friday the 13th too.

I update without anything on my TV, you just gotta know at which point to hit the play button so it can start the firmware flashing. and yes, if you're running the original firmware you probably should update both

went like a charm - now if i can find out how to use it - I need a firmware update for myself - On, off, eject, close, pause, play, is my original firmware now to get zoom etc. is going to take some getting used too.

I've got a Mits 65807 and have this 880DX hooked to it via component cables to the HDTV input. (no dvi on this set)

Whenever I set it for 1080i, and the 880's splash screen comes up, I get this video tearing effect across the middle of the screen that reminds me of macro-vision.

When I play DVD's I have to start them in 480P mode to navigate the menus, etc., then switch to 1080i after the movie starts. If I don't go thru this sequence the 880 will dump the video, and go to 'blue screen'.

Anybody else experience this?

I've tried setting the macro-vision on and off, and set the region code to my location, but this does not change the 1080i video tearing/dumping problem.

I got a new DVD burner and using Nero software have no problem copying 4.7gig dvds and playing them on the Momitsu. However, I can't play double layer DVDs. Is this a limitation of the player?

Thanks,
Kirk

Finally got DVD+R DLs to play in this thing...here's all the details:

Verbatim DVD+R DL (#95166)
Nero 7.0.0.0
burned ISO image at 4x
Sony DRU-810A automatically set book type to: DVD-ROM
Momitsu V880 with latest firmware (ver.1.1.12, 5-26-04)

Howdy,
I own the V880 DX model, and love it, on my projector.

I now have a new 37"lcd flat panel for the bedroom, and want another dvd player. I am happy with the component upscaling output. I was wondering if there is anything better that has come out?

You can't mess with a good thing. I will probably try hunting down a V880 DX for sale from someone.

mflagg,
I have been looking for a dvd player that upconverts specifically via component (I have a Sharp
9000 fp and need 720p). The only other current player I have come across is the NeuNeo and the reviews I've seen aren't nearly as favorable. Do you or anyone else know of any other good player that does this? Also, did you consider the 880N?

Component upconversion: zenith 318 with older firmware, lg dvb418 with latest dvb531 firmware from lg-canada. Not sure what else.

jeff

Thanks Jeff, I'll check those out.

Has anyone modified the v880 or v880dx for SDI output ? The reason I am asking is because I have a V880 and love the performance of it, but would like to use a DVDO HD+ with the SDI input for the best possible picture quality. Or is this DVD player not a good candidate for this type of modification.

HI HOME THEATRE LOVERS I have the dx and love the pq and also have the latest firmware version 1.1.18 which gave me the 480i /576i that i need for my projector but im getting the occasional skipping jumping even stopping which seems to happen more so when warm or after using the remote! does anyone have these problems or know how to fix them maybe a glitch in the firmware etc. Otherwise its a great player and would be a dissapointment to return it.any help would be much appreciated???????

You have the latest firmware for the player, but do you have the latest firmware for your drive? Check Momitsu's website. Also, it could be your media that you are using. Is it store bought dvd's or blank media?

Thanks for your reply its both media types but i did not know about driver updates i will check it out?

I had problems and found out it was the media that the DVD's were burnt on. The best media I found (for me) was Taio Yudens and Verbatims and of coarse a good burning program and burnt on a low write speed. Pushing the player for the highest resolution over a imperfect disc is just trouble. If no problems on a bought movie and on copies it's the media. Just my .02 worth.

Just got a Momitsu 880DX, it came with firmware version 1.1.14. I've downloaded the latest- version 1.1.18 which unzips as an "iso" file that has to be burned as an "image" on a CD to upgrade the player.

Problem is I am unable to get the iso to burn as an image on the CD. I have EAC and Plextools Pro v2.20. The manuals and help are no help in this regard.

It's probably just my cd burning ignorance but do I need a special program or should plextools pro be able to create the image for the firmware upgrade?

Any help is appreciated.

Scott

Steviac,
don't know if this BTB statement from you is addressed somewhere else in this threat.
If you have acsses to factory menu, you can adjust it vice versa.
Nothing against the Momitsu, i own it also and love it!
But that BTB is more obvious one the dvi port of your projector means nothing. With another pj it can differ a lot.

Best
Armin

I used nero to burn mine slowest speed.

I just posted a thread on this (subject: Player won't eject - Momitsu V880 with Liteon drive) but I'll also post in this thread:

I had a strange and worrying problem today with my Momitsu V880. I replaced the drive in it quite some time ago with a Liteon [LITE-ON (XJ-HD166/165H-BK) 16x/48x EIDE DVD-Rom (BLACK-OEM)].

Today, I watched a DVD I borrowed from my local library. Everything seemed fine, the disk played perfectly and I've been having no problems with the deck. When I was done watching the movie I pressed the eject button but the disk did not come out. Every time I'd press the eject button (remote or on the player), it would make a little noise and then show NoCD in the LCD display. Turning the deck on and off and even removing power entirely did not resolve this. Nothing had happened that would suggest that the disk was disoriented in the machine, however the only thing I could think to do other than removing the drive was to bang the top of the deck (not hard!). After doing that 2-3 times, the drawer did open but only 1/2 way after pressing eject. I could then pull the disk out. It seemed like it was jammed. I put a CD in that I don't need, and again it came out 1/2 way and I had to pull the disk out! I don't see how it could have been mis-oriented in the tray. I'd put it in carefully.

This time the CD I'd put in was badly scratched. Thankfully, the library DVD looks alright. But now I'm afraid to use the player, especially with a library DVD for fear that I will destroy the disk. The last few times I put the CD in there, it ejected fine, but I don't know when it will resume it's disk eating ways.

Does anyone have a take on this? Should I immediately order another DVD drive to replace the Liteon? Suggestions? I still have the drive that the deck came with, the original one, not the one the deck manufacturer started putting in later. I could use that until I get another drive. Or is there something I can do to stop the problem? Thanks for any help.

Does anyone have a take on this? Should I immediately order another DVD drive to replace the Liteon? Suggestions? I still have the drive that the deck came with, the original one, not the one the deck manufacturer started putting in later. I could use that until I get another drive. Or is there something I can do to stop the problem? Thanks for any help.


This is an old well-known problem with these players. the sheet metal cover is quite thin and easily bent. Just a slight mis alignment will cause the problem you describe.

The only solution is to bend the cover upward a little and put it back together.

Do not stack any other component directly on top of the Momitsu. (besides the weight, it can't take too much heat either)

This is an old well-known problem with these players. the sheet metal cover is quite thin and easily bent. Just a slight mis alignment will cause the problem you describe.

The only solution is to bend the cover upward a little and put it back together.

Do not stack any other component directly on top of the Momitsu. (besides the weight, it can't take too much heat either)Well, I've removed the cover and been trying to determine the problem. I've got the unit plugged in and I inserted and ejected a CD (the one whose surface has been ruined by the player). A dozen or more times (probably over 20) it seemed to be working fine. I figured something must be wrong, though, or I wouldn't have had the problem earlier in the day. I have been looking and looking, reading my posts, wracking my brain for what to do. The two black plastic nubs at the front on the tray that help keep the disk in place as it's spinning show some wear from where they evidently hit the front of the player case as the tray ejects. I thought of filing those down a little. Anyway, they couldn't account for the problem because I figure that rubbing is happening after the tray protrudes about an inch. This morning, the tray wouldn't budge

Well, after those 20+ faultless eject/retract cycles a problem occurred that's really serious. The tray comes out but something is holding the disk back inside partially. This results in the tray coming out only partially, until the tray wedges against the opening due to the disk having been held back in the player. When the tray comes to a stop, the disk is a full inch behind where it has to be. I can't imagine what would be causing this. I'm sure that this jamming caused the death of that CD (surface damage). Does anyone have an idea what could be wrong? Thanks for any help here.

By chance would the CD/DVD have a stick on label on it causing imbalance or it even being cracked. Do all discs give the problem?

By chance would the CD/DVD have a stick on label on it causing imbalance or it even being cracked. Do all discs give the problem?I don't think it's the disk. The problem cropped up with the library disk, and I'm now finding the following problem with a CD, which has no label:

What I'm finding now is that a good 25% of the time, when the tray ejects, the disk gets caught somehow and is held back about 1 inch further inside the player than it's supposed to be were it properly positioned in the tray. I removed the Liteon loader entirely from the Momitsu, plugged it into the Momitsu and conducted experiments to see if the disk was still being held back inside, and it is!! So, it's not a question of a proper fit in the Momitsu, it's evidently some malfunction of the Liteon loader. I've had it a couple of years or so. I'm wondering if I can swap it with my Pioneer 106S slot loader. If not, I can swap it for the loader that originally came in the Momitsu. I sure don't want to jeapardize any of my DVD's or the library's.

Looking now I see that the library disk did indeed have a sticky residue, probably left over from someone having peeled off a small label that was affixed to the underside of the disk. Maybe, just maybe, some of that glue has been transferred to my Liteon loader and that's causing the stickiness to my CD! Oh, boy. I wonder how I can remove that stickum! Damn!

Mystery solved. I see and feel a little glue on the CD I've been using, and it evidently came from the Liteon loader! I have to figure out some way to clean that crud out of the loader now. Can I take the cover off it? I know the loading mechanism is associated with the cover, so I'm afraid to try to remove it.

The moral of the story is to check a loan or rental disk before putting in your player. From now on I'm going to inspect every disk I get from the library before using. I don't currently rent or Netflix.

By chance would the CD/DVD have a stick on label on it causing imbalance or it even being cracked. Do all discs give the problem?You were sooooo close. The stick-on label had come off and there was just a very sticky residue where it had been. That made it impossible to eject the disk. Fortunately, the disk eventually ejected, or partially. After removal of the disk, some of the glue had remained in the loader and the next disk inserted only partially ejected part of the time. I am going to have to either get longer Q-tips or fashion some to use with solvent (naptha) in an effort to remove the remaining glue. I am about to visit the library and I will have to tell them about the problem. However, I think the personnel there don't deal with such things. I'll tell them, anyway. It's just luck that prevented the disk from being ruined. The CD I put in WAS ruined when it partially ejected and got wedged into the loader door.

You idea did give me the clue I needed: label!

Are Momitsu still in business?

I placed an order throught their European website no reply, e-mailed them no reply. Tried e-mailing their main site no reply.

Any help appreciated.

Cheers

Peopleselbowpad, welcome to the fourm. Why would you want the Momitsu? It is over three years old and there are many players that are much better out now. Why not consider the Oppo or another one of the newer players? I don't believe the Momitsu is still being made. It uses an older Sigma chip that is not being used anymore.

Cheers m8.

I wanted the momitsu because because of the custom DVI settings. My LCD has a native resolution of 1366x768 and I know you can select the DVI output to match it. I have tried the Oppo 971 and to be honest was not impressed. The picture was not smooth even with the truLife on. I have the Helios 2085 and the picture is better than the Oppo but still with the player scaling the picture and then my TV again I know this is not reccommended.

So I'm after one which will output my TV's resolution. I know one of the Arcam players do this but its out of my price range.

Catch 22

If you are disapointed with the Oppo I am sure you will also be disapointed with the Momitsu. It is not in the same class and has many quirks and problems.

I'm open to suggestions. IS the Bravo D2 any good? I heard that does custom output settings.

Cheers

The Bravo is also junk and has been taken off the market. You might want to try the Oppo 970 or the low priced Insignia sold by Best Buy.

I'm in the Uk so the range is not so great.

the new Oppo is an option.

Cheers

So, if the Momitsu V880 is no longer, what's the last decent firmware? Is it still available?

So, if the Momitsu V880 is no longer, what's the last decent firmware? Is it still available?

You can get the firmware from the Momitsu web site........

http://www.momitsu.com/dvd_880firmware.html



:)

I have heard of this problem before, but not a solution. I have a v880dx i have had for about 2 weeks. watching armagheddon (commercial DVD) it started locking up after the layer change late in the movie. It would pause for a few seconds, then resume. this happened several times. I have heard other complaints of this, but no mention of a fix. I am using the firmware the player shipped with, which i believe is 1.14. I need to know if this player is defective or not so i can send it back while i still can? Is this a temperature issue? Firmware? Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Sean

Get the latest firmware and see if it helps. Also check if any new loader firmware.

Si

Get the latest firmware and see if it helps. Also check if any new loader firmware.

Si
What's the story with new loader firmware? I replaced my loader with a Liteon loader: [LITE-ON (XJ-HD166/165H-BK) 16x/48x EIDE DVD-Rom (BLACK-OEM)]. TIA.

Peopleselbowpad, welcome to the fourm. Why would you want the Momitsu? It is over three years old and there are many players that are much better out now. Why not consider the Oppo or another one of the newer players? I don't believe the Momitsu is still being made. It uses an older Sigma chip that is not being used anymore.

Hi.
I have had a Momitsu for ages, and wasn't that impressed with the PQ. It seemed soft compared to other players. Since persevering with the custom resolutions, the PQ is now on a par exactly (except for macroblocking), with the Oppo 971 and S97, even though it's approaching 3 years old!

They're not very well built though! And do get very warm.

Hi.
I have had a Momitsu for ages, and wasn't that impressed with the PQ. It seemed soft compared to other players. Since persevering with the custom resolutions, the PQ is now on a par exactly (except for macroblocking), with the Oppo 971 and S97, even though it's approaching 3 years old!

They're not very well built though! And do get very warm.
Mine's approaching 3 years old and seems as good as new. I replaced the loader and did most of the other mods long ago. I can't imagine why the PQ would change from it getting older. I used to run a custom res because I somehow couldn't get it to work in 720p, but since I figured that out I just run 720p since that's the native res of my projector (Z2). I use the DVI output.

Mine's approaching 3 years old and seems as good as new. I replaced the loader and did most of the other mods long ago. I can't imagine why the PQ would change from it getting older. I used to run a custom res because I somehow couldn't get it to work in 720p, but since I figured that out I just run 720p since that's the native res of my projector (Z2). I use the DVI output.

Sorry, I meant in terms of the technology improving in newer players, and the fact that the Momitsu is matching rated players, when properly set up.

Sorry, I meant in terms of the technology improving in newer players, and the fact that the Momitsu is matching rated players, when properly set up.
I understand. Thanks for the clarification.

One question: What's the macroblocking issue you speak of, if you don't mind my asking. Are you referring to the Momitsu's ability to block Macrovision? I'm curious about that feature. Macrovision is a system that was devised (AFAIK) for VHS that made it difficult to copy tapes. AFAIK, it was basically an anti-piracy strategy. What is it in terms of a DVD player?

don't mean to butt in for mdray, but those two are different issues. Macrovision is a copyright protection initiated by the motion picture studios. Macroblocking is when you can see some sort of pixelation on the screen. AFAIK it is not seen on every movie but can be very troublesome if you have it. There are alot of threads devoted to macroblocking-just search and you'll pull up all kinds of stuff. I personally have not experienced it on my Momitsu unless I don't know what I'm looking for. And if that's the case I'm none the wiser cause the picture sure looks good to me. :)

don't mean to butt in for mdray, but those two are different issues. Macrovision is a copyright protection initiated by the motion picture studios. Macroblocking is when you can see some sort of pixelation on the screen. AFAIK it is not seen on every movie but can be very troublesome if you have it. There are alot of threads devoted to macroblocking-just search and you'll pull up all kinds of stuff. I personally have not experienced it on my Momitsu unless I don't know what I'm looking for. And if that's the case I'm none the wiser cause the picture sure looks good to me. :)

The macroblocking I'm referring to is on the other two players, not the Momitsu, lol.

don't mean to butt in for mdray, but those two are different issues. Macrovision is a copyright protection initiated by the motion picture studios. Macroblocking is when you can see some sort of pixelation on the screen. AFAIK it is not seen on every movie but can be very troublesome if you have it. There are alot of threads devoted to macroblocking-just search and you'll pull up all kinds of stuff. I personally have not experienced it on my Momitsu unless I don't know what I'm looking for. And if that's the case I'm none the wiser cause the picture sure looks good to me. :)
Thanks for the explanation. I am little experienced with DVD player performance, but I like what I see with my Momitsu as well. The only issue I can think of is noise from the loader on occasion. Since I usually listen with earbuds (plugged into the Momitsu's headphone jack), I don't even hear that (for the most part) unless I haven't put the buds in yet. I use the buds because I can hear dialogue better with them (much brighter sound than I get with my receiver and 5.1 speaker system).

Today, I watched a DVD I borrowed from my local library. Everything seemed fine, the disk played perfectly and I've been having no problems with the deck. When I was done watching the movie I pressed the eject button but the disk did not come out. Every time I'd press the eject button (remote or on the player), it would make a little noise and then show NoCD in the LCD display. Turning the deck on and off and even removing power entirely did not resolve this. Nothing had happened that would suggest that the disk was disoriented in the machine, however the only thing I could think to do other than removing the drive was to bang the top of the deck (not hard!). After doing that 2-3 times, the drawer did open but only 1/2 way after pressing eject. I could then pull the disk out. It seemed like it was jammed. I put a CD in that I don't need, and again it came out 1/2 way and I had to pull the disk out! I don't see how it could have been mis-oriented in the tray. I'd put it in carefully.

I had a similar problem last night with a brand new copy of "Cars" that I borrowed from Netflix. I stopped the movie and walked over to the player to eject it. When I hit the button, the display showed "Opening" and then quickly changed to "Loading". I could here the disc spinning and it was not simple to make it stop spinning. I hit various buttons, unplugged the player and nothing helped. Finally this morning I tried again and it finally did eject the disc.

John

Hello All,

I'm surprized to see this old Momitsu thread making yet another comeback. Anyway,.. I just had my Momitsu 880 apart to experiment with a possible modification.

My Momitsu has been great for me but I can usually spot the layer change everytime I watch a movie (provided the movie spans both layers of the DVD.) It's pretty speedy but I can usually spot it and it's jarring a bit. I was wondering about the possibilty of putting in a fairly new DVD burner because these newer drives have large cache (typically 2 to 8 MB's.)

So,.. I put in my old Sony DRU 500 DVD burner that I have handy and the layer change was faster but not quite what I was looking for.

(Monsters Inc is my reference standard for checking layer change because it's so poorly placed and easy to spot. I suppose Gladiator is even worse but Monsters Inc is usually easier for me to find on the shelf.)

-Brian

I believe the common wisdom around here was to put in an inexpensive Lite-On player. You don't need a burner, just a DVD player. I think you can get one off stinkbay for about $20. I actually tried it but it was kinda difficult to get the player and the door opening to line up just right and besides my original loader wasn't really broken I just wanted to tinker with it.

Yeah, um, thanks,

I know I don't NEED a burner in my DVD player but they are uber cheap these days and I thought the additional buffer (8MB vs 236kb on other drives) may make the layer change seemless. I'm one of the lucky ones for which the original DVD drive in my Momitsu has always worked perfectly. However, the layer change is still notice-able.

(Not nearly as bad as the layer change on my Sony DVD player but still notice-able.)

-Brian

My V880 Momitsu lost the firmware on a storm power failure . The unit lid the power led red and it is lock-up. No remote or manual order is executed. Where I should send it for repair? Please, help.

Hello my fellow Momitsu owners! I just picked up a V-880 for dirt cheap and tried accessing the secret menu. However, I can't get it to come up. Is there a paticular output (DVI, S-video, or composite) I need to be using to view this menu? I'm using component at it's not being displayed.

Update: gave up on the secret menu because I have a bigger problem! Please check out my thread here (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11192146&&#post11192146)

Bump for the problem I am having in the update above.

How do you tell what firmware is in the player?