Thought I would start this thread now that it is officially on the sony site. I will add additional links as they arise to this original post.

Link:http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_DisplayProductInformation-Start;sid=yNSDG0_M_TSDUQ9xw4SJEADdTWjYpI_jNDM=?CategoryName= tv_hdtv&ProductSKU=KD34XBR960&Dept=tv


Overview
The cutting edge just got sharper with Sony’s new KD-34XBR960 34” Super Fine Pitch™ XBR Television. Featuring a 16:9 Super Fine Pitch™ CRT, Hi-Scan 1080i™ display, and Digital REality Creation™ MultiFunction V1 circuitry, the KD-34XBR960 brings you a true cinema aspect ratio picture that is brighter, sharper and more vivid than ever before.
The KD-34XBR960 also gives you the other high-end features you would expect from a Sony XBR television, such as Cinemotion™ Reverse 3-2 Pulldown technology, MID® X Multi Image Driver circuitry, and Twin-View™ two tuner Picture-In-Picture. You can even view your family photos onscreen and listen to MP3 audio with the built-in Enhanced Memory Stick Media slot.

Features

• 16:9 Super Fine Pitch™ CRT technology
• Hi-Scan 1080i™ Display
• ATSC Integrated Tuner and Digital Cable Ready with CableCARD™ Slot
• DRC® Digital Reality Creation® MultiFunction V1 circuitry
• Cinemotion™ Reverse 3-2 Pulldown Technology
• MID® X Multi Image Driver Circuitry
• Twin-View™ Two Tuner Picture and Picture
• HD Detailer™ Wideband Video Amp
• ClearEdge VM™ (Wideband Velocity Modulation Scanning)
• Memory Stick® Media Enhanced Playback* (JPEG, MPEG1, MP3)
• HDMI Interface
• i-LINK®
• Super Fine Pitch™ CRT provides better image detail with high definition sources. The Aperture Grill was improved by making the vertical slits a finer pitch that increases the number of slits by up to 65% (16x9 base). Also improved were the High Precision Deflection Yoke, Fine Focus Electron Gun and the inclusion of higher intensity Luminescent Phosphors. The result is a more detailed image for both moving and still images, higher resolution picture quality, and better edge detail.

• Digital REality Creation™ MultiFunction V1 Circuitry raises standard definition signals to HD quality via a digital bit mapping process, which is user adjustable. The end result? A display of clear, stable images from any video source.


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• General:
• Power Requirements: AC 120V 60Hz
• Dimensions: 39 1/8" x 25 5/8" x 23 7/8" (994 x 652 x 605mm)
• Weight: 194 lbs 8 oz (88.2kg)

• Inputs and Outputs:
• Component Video Input (Y/PB/PR) --- (1080i/720p/480p/480i) 2 Rear
• Composite Input --- 1 Front/3 Rear
• HDMI --- 1 Rear
• S-Video Input --- (with detection) 1 Front/2 Rear
• Control S --- 1 Rear
• Audio Output --- 1 Rear (Fixed/Variable)
• Monitor Output --- 1 Rear
• RF Input --- 2 (antennae and cable)
• POD Card Slot

• Tuner:

• ATSC, NTSC
• 8 VSB
• Clear QAM
• Seamless Tuning
• Digital Cable


• Supplied Accessories:

• Remote Control (RM-Y200)
• AA Battery (2)
• Instruction Manual
• Optional Accessories
• A/V Stand: SU-34XBR1


• Audio:

• Trusurround™ Simulated
• 7.5W x 2 + 15W Subwoofer
• Steady Sound® Automatic Volume Control With BBE® Audio Effect
• Auto SAP
• Audio Output (Variable/Fixed)
• MTS Stereo
• Speaker On/Off
• PCM
• AC-3

Convenience:

• Auto Channel Program
• Caption Vision (CC)
• Channel Fix
• Channel Label
• Channel Skip/Add
• Clock/Timer Two Event
• Antenna level for DTV
• Favorite Channel With Preview
• Front Button Menu Control
• Picture Freeze
• Channel Jump
• On Screen Display (English/Spanish/French)
• Program Palette™ (Vivid/Movie/Standard/Sports)
• Tilt Correction
• Scrolling Channel Index™ System
• Sleep Timer Function
• Speed Surf™ Channel Selection
• V Chip Parental Control
• Video Label
• Wide Modes: (Normal/Full/Zoom/Wide Zoom)
• DTV Auto Add
• PSIP Program Information

• Video:

• Dynamic Focus™ Circuitry
• Dynamic Picture Circuitry
• Trinitone® Color Temperature
• ClearEdge VM™ (Wideband Velocity Modulation Scanning)
• Vertical Aperture Compensation
• Vertical Center Adjustment
• 3 D Digital Comb Filter
• Auto Pedestal Clamp
• Auto White Balance
• High Voltage Regulator
• HD Detailer™ Wideband Video Amplifier
• NTSC Color System
• ID1 detection
• Magnetic Quadruple Pole
• Tilt correction
• Vertical Correction
• Vertical Size Adjustment

The only problem with this set is the screen is small so the benefits of the uber pitch are rather diminished. Wish Sony would come out with 42" screen - I'd go for it in an instant

Is this TV only 194 lbs like the Sony site says? I thought it was heavier than that. I'm interested in an Ikea stand that can only handle 220 lbs, so that would be an important consideration for me.

Sexy! :D

Originally posted by edstalnaker
Is this TV only 194 lbs like the Sony site says? I thought it was heavier than that. I'm interested in an Ikea stand that can only handle 220 lbs, so that would be an important consideration for me.

194 lbs is probably correct - the current 34XBR910 is just under 200 lbs as well. You might be thinking about the 40" XBR - that monster weighs about 300 lbs!

Thanks to Spider4re for starting this thread. We are all excited about this new tv!

My question is, what is the xy resolution of this tv? According to the info "the result is higher resolution picture quality." Is it possible to quantify this? I know tube TVs are not like digital displays in that there is not a fixed number of pixels... But what about the number of slits in the aperature grill? How many scan lines can it paint, this must be known?... (assuming that it can paint _at least_ 1080 interlaced visible scan lines on the tube)

I think increased resolution could be the most important reason to purchase this TV. But without quantification of what that resolution is, it is difficult to make an objective decision.

Buying a new TV is not always objective though :) Objectivity can narrow down your choices, but like anything in the analog world (our eyes, ears, etc) - it comes down to a subjective choice. Actual number of lines the TV can produce is interesting, but unless it *looks* good, whats the point?

I'm not saying this TV won't look good - I'm sure it will. Just saying there is more to TV shopping than specs :).

Does anyone have a picture of the rear panel layout?

Will any Ikea stands handle the weight of this TV? It doesn't look like Sony will include the stand for free, so the price will be about the same as the current 910 which they are including the stand with.

Has anyone noticed that there is NO coaxial or optical digital OUT listed in the specifications on the Sonystyle website?

If you use the CableCard technology and feed the signal directly into the monitor, to extract Dolby Digital don't you need some kind of digital output????

Am I missing something???

Does anyone have a picture of the rear panel layout?

Sony tech support is going to email me a pdf of the new manual next week and I will post a link to it asap.

Will any Ikea stands handle the weight of this TV? It doesn't look like Sony will include the stand for free, so the price will be about the same as the current 910 which they are including the stand with.

Several members who posted in the members gallery have stated that their stands are from Ikea. You might also try a search on EBAY as I have seen many of these stands for sale there. The 960 has the same dimensions as the "old" 910 and the stand stated as an accessory for the 960 uses the same model number as the 910, so it should be a perfect fit.

Has anyone noticed that there is NO coaxial or optical digital OUT listed in the specifications on the Sonystyle website?

Tech support is checking on this for me and will get back to me on Monday. They are 100% certain there is a digital output but, they wanted to determine that there is both a coaxial and an optical out.

Cheers!

Silly me, I forgot about the IEEE-1394 (Firewire) connection on the back of the monitor. Hopefully there is two of them.

If you use the Cablecard technology correctly and then use the HDMI connection from your DVD player (example), then you only need a Firewire cable feeding back to your surround sound receiver for DTS, Dolby Digital and PCM from your DVD player and DPL and Dolby Digital from the internal ATSC tuner and Cablecard signal.

Yes? No? Maybe so???

I am able to buy 34XBR910 for $1860 including taxes ... Guys what should I do wait for 960 or just grap 910 for that price ASAP ???????????? ahhhhh

I'd certainly wait for the 960 unless you could get the 910 including taxes for less then $1700.... Frankly in my situation, I'd want the 910 to be less then $1600...

The 960's list price is dropping by 300 and arguably it getting 300-400 in improvements(cable card, integrated tuner/hdmi and some picture quality improvments).

IMHO closeout TV sets are usually a bad deal when the model on closeout is being replaced by something significantly better and noticeably cheaper. In terms of picture quality, I doubt the 960 will be that much better but the integrated tuner/cable card/hdmi are big additions. Dealers may take advantage of the consumers that don't know about the upcoming XBR960...

Closeouts can be a very good deal on a set whose replacement is just getting a little bit better and isn't changing in price much.

Before I heard about the 960 I was ready to buy the 910. I was quoted a price of $1750.00 w/free delivery (no stand- didn't need it) by a major chain in the ny,nj,ct area. If they were able to offer the 910 to me at that price the 960 should certainly be sold at that price point. Maybe not at first due to initial demand but soon after.

My suggestion is to hold out for the 960. Ya can't beat all those extra goodies!


Cheers

Please note that Sony has changed the model # for the 960 stand on their website. The new # is su34xbr3 but Sony does make this reference about the new stand:

Designed to match the KD-34XBR960 (also fits the KV-30XBR910 and KV-34XBR910)

If you find an old one it should fit the 960.


Cheers

The 960's cablecard allows you to eliminate the set top box from the cable company, right? This assumes they support the cablecard, which I believe Comcast will be doing soon.

If this is so, I find this feature of the 960 to be a great advantage.

Problem is, the Cable card does not support the on-screen guide.... which is a deal breaker for me....

Still buying the XBR 960 though

Does the "New" stand look like the 910 stand? or is it a different design?

Could anyone give a short explanation of what the integrated HD tuner means (now and in the future) for me, a DirectTV user (can't give up the NFL ticket)?

If I get DirecTV HD, I need to get their fancy HD dish and some sort of HD-specific STB for DirectTV. Thus, an integrated tuner won't be relevant for me on the DirectTV front (I'm guessing).

However, with the addition of an antenna, would the integrated tuner allow me to pick up the OTA network HD programming, completely separate from whatever is going on with respect to DirecTV? If so, could you (if you're bored) explain how that might work in terms of wiring and the like?

Thanks.

Would the SU-GW1 stand be able to support the weight of the 960? I know it's not as deep, but this stand seems to be the best one out there when it comes to holding all my components.

Could anyone give a short explanation of what the integrated HD tuner means (now and in the future) for me, a DirectTV user (can't give up the NFL ticket)?


You will immediately be able to pick up OTA digital stations in your area. If I'm not mistaken, the new D* HD box will have an integrated tuner thus negating the advantage of the integrated tuner. Who knows which tuner will perform better once you have the chance to do an A/B comparison. With both you will need an antenna and the best source to determine which is best for your area is:


http://www.antennaweb.org :)

To perform your A/B comparison (which is what I think your asking in your last paragraph) you need to split your antenna feed into your D* box and the antenna input on the 960. From the input selection menu you will be able to switch between the two.

Cheers

Tomorrow I will post (to the web address at the top of this thread) the new low price of the KD-34xbr960 after I confirm with the dealer the price and details. This deal should set the benchmark.

:D

can't wait . Tell him you have a lot of friends that will do business with him.. :) thx


Originally posted by spider4re
Tomorrow I will post (to the web address at the top of this thread) the new low price of the KD-34xbr960 after I confirm with the dealer the price and details. This deal should set the benchmark.

:D

Originally posted by spider4re
You will immediately be able to pick up OTA digital stations in your area. If I'm not mistaken, the new D* HD box will have an integrated tuner thus negating the advantage of the integrated tuner. Who knows which tuner will perform better once you have the chance to do an A/B comparison. With both you will need an antenna and the best source to determine which is best for your area is:


http://www.antennaweb.org :)

To perform your A/B comparison (which is what I think your asking in your last paragraph) you need to split your antenna feed into your D* box and the antenna input on the 960. From the input selection menu you will be able to switch between the two.

Cheers

And if one of them would be smart enough to a firewire output you'd be able to watch a show in HD and record one to see later, instead of having to choose which to see in HD and which in crappy video.

New best price is up. Sorry for the delay.

Does this dealer have them in stock yet?

I wonder what shipping would be to Philadelphia.

the dealer does not have them in stock yet but I could suggest two other dealers (both in NJ) that should match that price. Delivery is another story. If you want the info just email me from the website. Don't forget these guys dont charge sales tax.

I bought my HS10 from them .. Great people . I guess Ill be buying xbr960 from them as well lool

As for Tax, if I can get the same price from someone in NJ I will go with them . I think shipping charge will be very close to NJ tax .

The integrated tuner will also allow HD P-I-P along with your D* box.

Anyone have an "in-store" date yet? Will BB likely carry it or only CC? (I've got a boatload of BB Gift cards I'd like to use)

Originally posted by CPanther95


Anyone have an "in-store" date yet? Will BB likely carry it or only CC? (I've got a boatload of BB Gift cards I'd like to use)

Tweeter said they would be in their warehouse by July 9th. Sonystyle site said they will have them by July 2nd. CC had not a clue.

These are not necessarily in store dates, however.

I doubt BB will carry them because my understanding is they can't carry the XBR line. They never carried the 910. CC has the XBR line, however.

I recently asked Circuit City if I can buy the 960 when it enters their systems. They said I can and I dont have to wait untill it hits their stores....As soon as the 960 clears the warehouse, purchase is viable... I am getting really excited.


Ladies and Gentleman....


LESS THAN A MONTH TO GO!!!!! :)


I plan to use their 18 month financing deal. How easy is it to get credit from them? I do have Good credit. My annual salary isnt too high though. I was able to get 2200 from best buy though a few years ago...

Does CC have a price yet? It concerns me that since they are giving a free stand away with the 910, but not with the 960, the total price will be the same. So the 960 really isn't cheaper when you look at it that way.

Jamison, I think they're flexible so long as you haven't stiffed anyone and since they want to sell the TV.

Ed, we probably have to accept the fact that the price of the 910 including freebies will continue to drop as the 960's become available, so the 960 shouldn't be cheaper than the 910 since it has the tuner, etc.

Actually Sony has lowered the MSRP on several of their TVs compared to the previous models. So I think it is reasonable to expect prices to come down even though more features are added. Plus since all TVs above a certain size will need to have the tuner by a certain date, so it makes sense that the per unit cost of such a feature will drop. Anyway, I just wish Sony would continue to include a stand with the 960. Obviously with a TV that heavy, there aren't many other options, which is why I think they started offering the stand with the 910 and 800 originally.

For Canadians who, like me, are interested getting in this TV, I thought I'd relay some unsavoury info I learned today. I talked briefly with a salesman at Fairview Mall's Sony Store in Toronto today, and he is not expecting to receive the XBR960 until November/December. This seems to jive with what I learned today from several other stores in Toronto, most of which had no knowledge about the new model. Not to mention the fact that it isn't listed yet on Sonystyle.ca

I don't know whether or not this has any bearing on the XBR960's expected availability in the US. Either way, for Canadians looking to buy this TV from a local dealer, it looks like it's still a fairly long way off.

*sigh*

What a small world. I live on the same street as the dealer from New Orleans.

Im not sure about the power requirements, but cant you buy the tv set in America? Toronto is close to the border...

That's definitely something worth looking into, assuming I can get it for less than or equal to the cost of a 910 here. In any case, I just wanted to post my findings for the benefit of others, that's all.

My dealer in jersey said his dist. was going to have "a few" for him within 10 days. For those of you who pm'd & emailed me, you might want to check to see if you can grab one.


Cheers

As I'm very interested in the 960 I was curious about the "rumor" that HDTV sets make normal cable viewing atrocious since all of the artifacts are way more apparent. Is this true? Would I have to go with digital cable (I have basic cable now) to avoid this?

tks!

Ty

As I'm very interested in the 960 I was curious about the "rumor" that HDTV sets make normal cable viewing atrocious since all of the artifacts are way more apparent. Is this true? Would I have to go with digital cable (I have basic cable now) to avoid this?

hopefully this will help alleviate this problem


• Digital Reality Creation™ MultiFunction V1 Circuitry raises standard definition signals to HD quality via a digital bit mapping process, which is user adjustable. The end result? A display of clear, stable images from any video source.

Originally posted by Limber
For Canadians who, like me, are interested getting in this TV, I thought I'd relay some unsavoury info I learned today. I talked briefly with a salesman at Fairview Mall's Sony Store in Toronto today, and he is not expecting to receive the XBR960 until November/December. This seems to jive with what I learned today from several other stores in Toronto, most of which had no knowledge about the new model. Not to mention the fact that it isn't listed yet on Sonystyle.ca

I don't know whether or not this has any bearing on the XBR960's expected availability in the US. Either way, for Canadians looking to buy this TV from a local dealer, it looks like it's still a fairly long way off.

*sigh*

Actually, I was told Sony Canada was very interested in bringing the 960 to Canada in June. However this was contingent on Canadian MSO's willing to support 1-way POD which they are reluctant to do at this time since it would undercut their business model. When 2-way POD rolls out in a year or two we will see such sets on the Canadian market. But for now it looks like us Canadians will have to be content with the 34xs955 which should show up in Canada by October.

Does anyone have a picture of the back panel jack-pack???

I think we ALL need to know what kind of Digital Audio output this monitor features (to return to your A/V receiver/Preamp processor).

Segaboy
I asked that on 6-3 and got no responses. Also someone, on one of the "960" threads, was getting a link to the manual.
I hope our questions are answered very soon.

Is that $400 Rebate on combined TV/Stereo System purchase good only from SonyStyle.com or from any dealer?

If so, you could get a free theater in a box set with this tv. Are the rest of the sony home theater packages worth the extra money?

Home theater is NOT free. At circuit city, the lowest price model from the list given on the form is $530.00 But you do get a CC gift card....


Here is the form you need to fill out:

https://www.web-rebates.com/sony/pdf/04-B31701.pdf

It appears that you can go to ANY store. As long as you Buy the xbr960 + one model from a list of models (home theater systems) on the same reciept dated up to aug.30 you will get:

1.) rebate check for $400.00
2.) choice of 4 dvd's valued at $15.00 each
3.) sony backpack valued at $25.00

Looks like this is the ONLY home theater you can get at Circuit city:

http://www.circuitcity.com/detail.jsp?c=1&b=g&u=c&catoid=-10041&qp=0&oid=76609&m=0

It would have been nice if Sony had included one of their wireless headphones in the list. Those of us in apartments who can't use speakers setups. Drats!

I live in a retirement community.
Lots of "OF"s.

Originally posted by weetoots
It would have been nice if Sony had included one of their wireless headphones in the list. Those of us in apartments can't use speakers setups. Drats!

Hmmmm... I live in a STUDIO apartment with a Home theater system....

Originally posted by JamisonBWolsh
Home theater is NOT free. At circuit city, the lowest price model from the list given on the form is $530.00 But you do get a CC gift card....

It appears that you can go to ANY store. As long as you Buy the xbr960 + one model from a list of models (home theater systems) on the same reciept dated up to aug.30

Looks like this is the ONLY home theater you can get at Circuit city:



That one you linked is the DAVFC8 for $629.99 at Circuit City. It's only $599.95 at SonyStyle.com.

At SonyStyle.com the HT-V2000DP is only $399.95, so at least one option would be free if you bought your TV from Sony. :P

CircuitCity also has the HT6600DP for $539.99 plus a 10% Merchandise Card. That system is $599.95 at SonyStyle.

Thanks for the link to the rebate form!

It is too bad the TV and Theater Package have to be on the same receipt. :/

Im think about getting it. I have a home theater from Kenwood that I bought for 275.00. It has great reviews for it. Audio review says it sounds like a $1000 unit... But it is 2 years old and you cant buy it anymore. The sony systems are more expensive, so should be better quality. BUT i have ready many more negative comments then positive from regular consumers. I could not find any profesional reviews for this "dream dvd home theater system" Anyone subscribe to consumer reports? I would love the hear what they think....

Does anyone have a diagram or picture of the back panel of the XBR-960?

I want to know if there is some kind of digital audio output, or do we need to use the Firewire to carry Dolby Digital and/or DTS from the monitor to our A/V receiver/preamp?

Has anyone actually confirmed these sets are/will be available soon? I've read several posts about them shipping in the next couple weeks, but the rep handling my 40xbr800 warranty claim said they will not be available until August...but he did agree to give me the 34" if I'm willing to wait.

Why do you want to start rumors? Your the first guy that said it will be available in Aug. Check the sonystyle website,,, It says on or about July 2nd. Most stores have them in their systems at this point. All evidence suggests July 2nd. So please stop posting the august date on EVERY thread your on....

I'm not starting rumors. I'm simply reporting information that I was given from a Sony rep regarding the availability of this set and asking if anyone has any additional info. Could it be incorrect...of course. Did I make it up...no. Are you free to believe what you want and disagree...sure are. But I guess since you saw it on the internet it must be true.

I hope they are out July 2 because I'll have mine sooner than I expect, but I won't believe it until someone actually puts their hands on one of these sets. As of now, July 2 is no more valid than August as far as I'm concerned.

Have a great day.

No more valid then august? Lets see... ONE person told you august and that makes it as valid as July? I dont believe EVERYTHING I read on the internet. lets look at FACTS:

Sonystyle (sony's owned website) reports On or about July 2
News report From Sony that says it will be released in June
Model is now in Stores computers (which they say they dont add if it is not going to be released in a week or 2).

Thats my facts... Yours for august:

1.) TELEPHONE rep says August.
Whoop bee doo. Telephone reps dont know everything. I asked my cable company (adelphia) If I can order HDTV srevice. They said yes. So rep started to process the order.. then they said "Im sorry, HDTV will be available in July"

YOUR date is no more valid then, lets say OCT or Dec. If you want us to take your date more seriously, your going to have to provide mode FACTS!!!

You're convinced that you're right and I'm convinced that nobody will know for sure until they actually ship...hopefully July, maybe not till August. My "telephone rep" is actually a mid-level manager in customer service warranty claims...my claim has been elevated to higher level people several times. But that still doesn't mean the information I was given is correct. Just thought the folks out there would be interested in ALL the available information so they can have an educated opinion of their own.

Thanks for your input, you've been most helpful.

Man, I sure hope they ship soon (July 2 or whatnot). Not trying to add fuel to the fire but I called the Sony Store (for Sony employees) and was told they wouldn't be available for 8 weeks. Now there is certainly a distinct possibility that Sony would place retailers ahead of employees (makes sense imo) so don't take this as an affirmation that the August date is correct for retailers.

Which is what might be the case for my warranty claim. I could see them putting the retailers ahead of claims for a new product like this. It may be that the sets will ship to stores in early July and then units will be available for other purposes after the initial demand is satisfied.

Jamison, I think you're being a little hard on TH3. I appreciate any info from all sources, even if it turns out to be wrong, which we all hope it will be.

Thanks for the post, TH3.

I hope it's bad info also...but as of now it looks like it'll be Aug before I get my replacement...even if they hit the stores sooner. I'm 95% sure I'll just sell it immediately anyway. Anyone want a new 34XBR960 in August for a decent price? I'll personally deliver it free within 200 miles of Norfolk, VA.

We will start shipping in JULY.

August is to try and let the large "grocery store chains" to close out the XBR910 models left in stock.

The small stores always have the new models first.

ONLY SONY: The one independent electronics store in my area that carries XBR said they wouldn't have the 960 until mid-August at the earliest. Is it really true that smaller stores get new items first?

When did CC and BB start selling groceries? If you're referring to the Wally world type stores, then when did they start selling top of the line anything?
I have my doubts about you -ONLY SONY.... Do you represent SONY in some official capacity?
Doesn't matter, I will buy one after they have been out for awhile (read: days/weeks). Sony isn't perfect, like the 40xbr, so I will let you guys be "testers" and then buy accordingly.
Thanks.

I ordered mine from the Sony Family Centre (Sony Store for Sony employees only) last week and one guy said it would ship to me in 4-6 weeks and another person said 6-8 weeks. This is coming straight from the warehouse.

I think Sony usually gives a higher priority to retail stores rather than to Sony employees, so we usually have to wait a few extra weeks. The 40% discount makes it worth the wait though. Anyway. that may be an indication that they do indeed plan on shipping the sets out within the next couple of weeks.

Are there any Job openings? :)

Originally posted by Phantastica
I ordered mine from the Sony Family Centre (Sony Store for Sony employees only) last week and one guy said it would ship to me in 4-6 weeks and another person said 6-8 weeks. This is coming straight from the warehouse.

Where are you located Phantastica? I called the one in Rancho Bernardo just this morning and was told 2 months - which makes me think about waiting for the Samsung HD2+ chip DLPs. Ah well, guess since I have to wait no matter what (since I decided not to pre-order) it doesn't make much of a difference either way. :)

Originally posted by Tly
Where are you located Phantastica? I called the one in Rancho Bernardo just this morning and was told 2 months - which makes me think about waiting for the Samsung HD2+ chip DLPs. Ah well, guess since I have to wait no matter what (since I decided not to pre-order) it doesn't make much of a difference either way. :)

This was in Culver City from the main Sony Pictures lot. I've got my fingers crossed for a 4 week shipping date, but it's not all that likely. Hopefully these won't be nearly as popular as the Grand Wega III's. They stopped taking orders on those because of a 5 month backlog.

Sorry this took so long but I was on vacation. The picture of the stand is posted on the best price website (see the first post of this thread). I do not have dimensions as yet. The diagram of the rear connections is not available until next week(needs to be uploaded to sony's system) but I was told that there are 2 digital outputs for 5.1 (coaxial and optical).:D



Also, the dealer in NJ said he might be getting a few in THIS week.

Is that stand seriously the SU-34XBR3?

That would be awesome if it is. The glass doors and everything look really nice. But the description on the sonystyle site says:

- Newly designed open-style stand

That doesn't look "open-style" to me. That's the stand I've ordered though, so I'm really hoping it's the one in the photo on the best price site.

Originally posted by Phantastica
Is that stand seriously the SU-34XBR3?

That would be awesome if it is. The glass doors and everything look really nice. But the description on the sonystyle site says:

- Newly designed open-style stand

That doesn't look "open-style" to me. That's the stand I've ordered though, so I'm really hoping it's the one in the photo on the best price site.
I suspect this is the stand.

http://news.sel.sony.com/digitalimages/photo?photo_id=158040 It matches the TV and is "open".

Sonystyle now says the 34XBR960 will be available on or around July 16!!

They've pushed it back 2 weeks.

Or they sold out the first batch available to sonystyle customers......... REMEMBER...there is not a INDEFINATE amount of sets made...

Uh-oh...August isn't that far off. Maybe someone in customer service actually has some relaible info.

Come on now....July 16 is not AUGUST! Besides ..that cust rep said 6-8 weeks.....

I'll give the Sony Employee Centre a call tomorrow and see if they've made any changes to my order in the system. They're getting their info from one of the Sony warehouses, so it should be a good indication.

No, it's not August...but someone got all bent when I suggested they might not be available till August. My point here is just that they've adjusted the date half way between the original July 2 and August...another 2 weeks and we're there. The sooner the better, but I',m not holding me breath :)

Originally posted by JamisonBWolsh
Come on now....July 16 is not AUGUST! Besides ..that cust rep said 6-8 weeks.....

The set is on backorder for me right now with an eta of 6-8 weeks. If they tell me the same thing in 3 weeks from now then I'll start to worry!

Sonystyle still lists the 34xbr960 as a "pre-order", so I doubt that they've sold out the first batch. Wouldn't they say it was backordered or out of stock if that were the case? I'm not sure. I emailed them to find out if they were sold out of the first batch or if it is a delay in the initial release.

The website (see first post on this thread) now has the rear panel jack pack for viewing. Sorry for the misleading info on the optical out ( I can only blame the technical cs rep );) There is one optical out and 2 i.link outs.

I just checked the site and it still says "on or about July 02"


Originally posted by RJB in Phila
Sonystyle now says the 34XBR960 will be available on or around July 16!!

They've pushed it back 2 weeks.

I went to the sight and did not see a link for a picture of the back panel.

As long as the monitor has the Firewire connectors, that is what I will use to 'extract' Dolby Digital and DTS from my Cablecard and DVD player.

I've been following this thread for a while...as I'm looking at the various Sony 34" HDTV models and trying to decide which one to get in the next 6 months.

Lately, I'm reconsidering (critically) the new XBR960, and I have some questions as to its superiority over the 910, 510 or 420.

1) The OTA tuner. Big question for me is: will this save me any $$ when I switch to HD DirecTV? Or will I *still* have to purchase a HD tuner to tune the HD satellite signal from the new dish?

2) Does anyone definitely KNOW that the PQ of the XBR960 is improved over the XBR910? I hear murmurings about improved brightness and "2nd gen" Superfine Pitch, but then I hear more murmurings that Sony's hypetalk refers to improvements over the older 800s (not over the 910s)


Anyone's help on these questions would be appreciated. Thank you all.

Because IF I still need an external HD tuner for my satellite feed, then the integrated OTA tuner is not that important to this boy who only watches satellite feed, and honestly couldn't give a hoot about PIP.

And because if PQ isn't noticeably improved over the 910s (hard to even imagine this, except for maybe improved brightness), then what's the big draw?

Well, it's definitely going to be better than that 510 and 420. As for the 910, I guess we'll see once it comes out, but they should be close. But if you're going by the MRSP, then the 960 actually costs significantly less. If you can wait a few weeks, then I think it would be worth it to go for the 960. At the least, you'll get a few more nice features than you would with the 910.

Because IF I still need an external HD tuner for my satellite feed, then the integrated OTA tuner is not that important to this boy who only watches satellite feed, and honestly couldn't give a hoot about PIP.

What makes you think that 2 or 3 years down the road you won't want to ditch satellite to go back to digital cable? You'll need that internal tuner then. Think about the future!

HD DirectTV tuners will also handlke OTA HD signals. But as foxfan stated, if you drop Direct TV, the tuner is gone. And, over the next year or so most of the high end sets coming out will have integrated tuners so you'll actually be in the minority before long.

Originally posted by foxfan
What makes you think that 2 or 3 years down the road you won't want to ditch satellite to go back to digital cable? You'll need that internal tuner then. Think about the future!

Originally posted by TH3_FRB
I just checked the site and it still says "on or about July 02"

It said July 16 yesterday and this morning, but they've changed it back to July 2. Now I'm really confused.

Anyone have any suggestions on how to get a 40" base height to hold this TV? I have to clear the footboard of a sleigh bed (oak), and I'm planning on placing it right at the foot of the bed. I can either use the stand and put it on some kind of platform, or get some piece of furniture that is 40" tall that is strong enough and deep enough to hold the 960.

Any ideas?

The newly posted manual made no mention of a OTA HDTV receiver, did they just not metion it so as to not confuse the average schmoe? Pictures of channels in the manual displayed "23.1" which suggests HD but... Can't wait to stick my HDTiVo into that loverly HDMI port :)

They LOVE to confuse us!!!!!

Originally posted by Sizam
The newly posted manual made no mention of a OTA HDTV receiver, did they just not metion it so as to not confuse the average schmoe? Pictures of channels in the manual displayed "23.1" which suggests HD but... Can't wait to stick my HDTiVo into that loverly HDMI port :)

Take a look at page 9

"Built-in Digital Television Receiver: You can watch digital television programs and enjoy the improved audio/video quality offered by these programs. With high-definition signal reception, you can watch TV signals broadcast in HDTV for the clearest possible broadcast picture. "

BrewerBob

Thank you!

Now I'm really, REALLY confused about the release date. Here is what I got back in answer to my email questions to Sonystyle about the 960 release date:

"The release date of the KD-34XBR960 television has been postponed. The
KD-34XBR960 television will be available for shipping on or about Jul
16, 2004. This model is available for pre-ordering."

The Sony Style page no longer has the mention of "pre-order" but after adding it to your cart you see the message "Shipping date not available. We will notify you by email when this product has shipped"

Seems to say that they are ready to go, since it's no longer a pre-order, but also that they don't know when it will be ready to go...all at the same time :rolleyes:


Originally posted by RJB in Phila
Now I'm really, REALLY confused about the release date. Here is what I got back in answer to my email questions to Sonystyle about the 960 release date:

"The release date of the KD-34XBR960 television has been postponed. The
KD-34XBR960 television will be available for shipping on or about Jul
16, 2004. This model is available for pre-ordering."

This reminds me of last year i waited and waited for the 910 it finally came out the first week in August and the first store to get it was Circuit City and by the way they went down on the tv after a litlle haggeling.

So how would I go about hooking up my PC to this here TV, I have a nVidia card with DVI out but would consider getting a ATI 9800 Pro if that'd make things easier.

I was at Circuit City a few days ago and they told me that their contract with Sony prevents them from negotiating on the prices of the XBR line. I take it they were feeding me a bunch of crap?

Also, since XBRs come with a 2-year warranty, does it make sense to purchase an extended one?

ya that sounds like a bunch of crap they will go down on the price just make sure to only deal with a manager not a kid who has been there 5 minutes. As far as the warranty i didnt think it was worth it sony's warranty is plenty.

I pre-ordered my 34XBR960 from SonyStyle the day they started accepting pre-orders. I called customer service today and the guy said mine would be shipping on or around July 2nd. He said I was in the first batch of preorders. He said that the pre-order list for the second batch (expected to ship July 16th or so) was quickly filling and that the next batch would not be available until at least mid-August. He said some retail outlets would not be getting any sets until the third batch. So happy I preordered early.

I was just at cc and they said they will have it next week at 2099.99

Ooohhh, 2099 would be nice, GG oughta match that fer me too, was that a negotiated price or did they say thats how much they'll be? FWIW my 34XBR800 died after 2.5 years AND the warranty from Sony covers far less then an extended warranty and when I was dealing with GG I could just go over and harras them, good luck getting that kind of support from god-knows-where on a 200lb TV. This is the only type of thing I'd ever buy an extended warranty on.

that was the regular price i also asked why the 910 was still 2399 he said that was already discounted. i think with a little haggeling you can probally get the 960 for under 2 k

With a free stand?

I went ahead and bought the XBR1 stand for the 910 to use with my 960. It matches the 960's colors and since the 910 and 960 use the same cabinet, it works no prob. The only major difference between the new XBR3 stand for the 960 and XBR1 is the XBR1 only have one shelf and (most importantly) its $200 cheaper than the XBR3. I bought an SU-XBR1 at Circuit City for $149.00, the XBR3 is $349.99 at Sonystyle.com.

he didnt mention a stand but you could probally have them through one in for that price.

I plan to wait untill CC has the XBR 960. Why? Becaue of its excellent return policy. With Sonystyle.com you would be responsible for shipping both to and from your residence, plus restocking fees may apply (let alone the problem of getting that monster to UPS or wherever).

For something so subjective and unknown as televison picture quality (both in HDTV, and, especially with non-HDTV signals, where some have criticized the 910 at least), I definintely want the option for a no questions return like CC offers. Others?

I see no reason to buy from the Sony Style site (unless you already have a pre-order in and just can't wait another month for them to hit the showrooms). Only reason I'd buy online is to take advangate of discounted prices...understanding that you would still have the same issues to deal with regarding a return. Also be aware that tis set is too large and heavy for either UPS or FedEx...I've already done the homework. You'll need to get a freight carrier to handle any return. Luckily, the XBR series comes with a 2-year in-home warranty as long as you purchase from an authorized dealer. Use your AMEX and the warranty is automatically extended an additional year...identical coverage to the original.

Do any other credit cards extend your warranty like this?

Not sure. You'd have to check with the individual card but I believe Visa has something similar...although I'd guess 95% of the general public isn't aware of this feature. Here's the AMEX link:

Buyer's Assurance (https://www124.americanexpress.com/cards/benefits/buyersassurance.jsp)

How did you get the XBR1 for $149? I just bought mine a week ago for $199. I Just went there yesterday and it is still listed for 199. I am in CA at the local CC...

Looks like Visa offers extended warranties for a fee...could be reasonable depending on the product...but remember that they start at the date of product purchase...so a 3 year extended warranty ($165) would only give you 1 year past the Sony warranty on the XBR, but the same would be free if you used AMEX.

Visa extended warranties (http://www.usa.visa.com/personal/cards/benefits/warranty_manager.html?it=il_/personal/cards/card_benefits.html#link13)

I would prefer to buy the XBR1 stand as well since I don't like the glass doors on the XBR3. I wonder if I can ask them to give me a free XBR1 stand when I buy the 960, or buy one now cheap in advance.

CC did NOT offer any me any discounts even when I offered to buy their extended warranty what can they give me in discounts. They refused to give anything. No free delivery No free Xbr1 stand. So I told them that I wont buy their warranty.

That's good news, High Def. Where are you located?

I was just at cc and they said they will have it next week at 2099.99

This is a quote from the Visa link TH3 provided:

"Once your claim has been verified, the item will be repaired or replaced at the sole option of the insurance provider, but for no more than the original purchase price of the covered item, up to a maximum of $10,000, as recorded on your Visa card receipt, and $50,000 maximum per cardholder.

Extended Warranty Protection will pay the facility directly for repairs, if possible, or you may go to an authorized repair facility and file a claim for reimbursement. Only valid and reasonable repairs made at the manufacturer's authorized repair facility are covered."

This seems to imply you have to take the TV to a repair facility - no house call repairs?

I just pre-ordered the 960 from CC. They had it in their system but admitted they weren't sure when it would be in stock. The guy I talked to knew all about it and was very helpful. He was an assistant manager or something at one of their bigger stores.

I can cancel the order at any time (and even return it within 30 days), and I will if Tweeters or someone has it in stock before I can get it from them.

The price was better than Sonystyle. I got free delivery in exchange for buying the 5 year warranty. PM me if you want to know the price.

They said they believed the warranty was only one year on the new model versus 2 years for the 910.

I canceled my Pre-order. Here is why. The return policy is 30 days from the date on the receipt. Thats official. They told me that they understand that you dont have the set yet and they would start the date whenyou get the set. This is just verbal. If anything does happen to the set and its after the 30 days date on the reciept they can LEGALLY deny return or exchange.

These days, a persons "word" is meaningless. You need it written down.

As for the delivery. The Normal "white glove" delivery is $40. You saved 40.00. But you could have bought the warranty through warrantech (even better warranty) for less money. Warrantech warranty starts after the Manufactorers warranty. Making this 4 year warranty to a 6 year warranty. The warranty on the 960 is actually 2 years like the 910... NOT 1 year...

Also...Just to let you know. In order for CC to pre-order your Set, they have to deliver it to the store first! Then they will deliver it your house. It will not go from the warehouse to your house. This add additional handling which can cause problems...

I am waiting when we KNOW when the set is coming out. July 2 or July 16 is most likely.

CC deal is Now 21 months 0% and NO monthly payment if you buy the Dream theater. Remember there is a rebate on the home theater for $400 plu 4 free dvd's and a backpack...

How much is the Dream Theater? Is it any good?

They have different models The MSRP range from 399-799. Each system have different types of configurations. Check cc for prices. The 6600DP MSRP is 599 and sells less than that at CC. Minus the 400 rebate and you got a good deal. the 6600dp comes with a progressive 5 disc dvd that is rated high on quality....

Jamison, I am happy with the price I got, plus if I don't get it within the 30 days, I'll probably cancel.

I did not like the mixed opinions I heard about Warrantech. I feel better with the CC warranty. Just my opinion, of course. Yours may differ.

Has anyone found it in writing whether the 960 warranty is one year or two years?

Every warranty company has "Mixed" reviews. Just check the Newsgroups on dissatified CC and best buy customers. Warrantech does not have nearly as much naysayers as the plan CC has which is honored by the company "National Product Care Company" Also, Warrantech is one of the biggest warranty companies out there and has warranties on pretty much anything. I am going with them because of their praised warranty. remember, CC does not run the warranty... a THIRD party company does... Also remember that most of the Money that you spend for their warranty goes in their pockets. The Actual price of the CC warranty is really low...

Originally posted by RJB in Phila
Has anyone found it in writing whether the 960 warranty is one year or two years?

It's on the Sonystyle web site. Televisions->Tube->XBR


[i]Originally posted by JamisonBWolshi]
How did you get the XBR1 for $149? I just bought mine a week ago for $199. I Just went there yesterday and it is still listed for 199. I am in CA at the local CC...

It was an open box deal from their home theater room. I had them take it out from under a 910. No scratches, perfect.

All XBR sets have a 2-year warranty...at least new models...can't speak for older stuff except the 40XBR800 that I bought last year also has 2 years.


Originally posted by RJB in Phila
Has anyone found it in writing whether the 960 warranty is one year or two years?

Very possible with Visa. AMEX, however, extends the original warranty terms so if the set came with in-home service then that's what you get under the extension.

Originally posted by RJB in Phila
This is a quote from the Visa link TH3 provided:

"Once your claim has been verified, the item will be repaired or replaced at the sole option of the insurance provider, but for no more than the original purchase price of the covered item, up to a maximum of $10,000, as recorded on your Visa card receipt, and $50,000 maximum per cardholder.

Extended Warranty Protection will pay the facility directly for repairs, if possible, or you may go to an authorized repair facility and file a claim for reimbursement. Only valid and reasonable repairs made at the manufacturer's authorized repair facility are covered."

This seems to imply you have to take the TV to a repair facility - no house call repairs?

Anyone know of a warranty company with worldwide coverage?

Sony Canada has confirmed to me that they won't be carrying the 960 so I'll have to buy it in the U.S. I know BB covers worldwide but doesn't have XBRs. Which one does?

SONY CUSTOMER SERVICE EMAILED ME THE NEW PICTURE OF THE SU34XBR3. THE PICTURE POSTED BEFORE WAS FROM THE ASIAN MODEL WHICH HAS NOW BEEN CHANGED. THE NEW PICTURE OF THE THE U.S. MODEL IS AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS PAGE:

http://www.geocities.com/kd34xbr960/Theofficial34xbr960page.html


THE REAR JACK PANEL PICTURE IS ALSO AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE.

I just received an email that the site is temporarily down due to too much traffic. I have instead attached (I think) the photo they sent me.

That looks like the hold stand.

I mean "old" stand.

YUK, I like the Asian model. Why do they keep the best over there? If you go to www.Sony.JP, you will see that they sell XBR's up to 36", and don't sell the 34" in Japan. Why?

Originally posted by weetoots
YUK, I like the Asian model. Why do they keep the best over there? If you go to www.Sony.JP, you will see that they sell XBR's up to 36", and don't sell the 34" in Japan. Why?
Their 36" is our 34". They measure the tube. We measure the opening in the bezel.

Originally posted by spider4re
I just received an email that the site is temporarily down due to too much traffic. I have instead attached (I think) the photo they sent me.
That's the stand I posted pictures weeks ago.

So whats the Lesson boys and girls?

Go buy the XBR1 on sale before the XBR3 comes out! Save you Lots of $$$

Back to this shipping date:

Shipping availability:
Available on or about Jul 16, 2004

I've been told that the first batch (to be shipped around July 2nd) is sold out and that SonyStyle is now selling the second batch due for delivery on the 16th.

Will CC and others get shipment with the first batch?
Should I pre-order From CC or wait untill it hits their warehouse?

So many questions....

I got a call from Tweeters today saying they expected to get them in within the next 2 weeks. CC also expected them in "soon" but didn't have an exact date.

I think it's still uncertain exactly when they will come in, although both seemed confident it would be "soon." I know it's frustratingly imprecise.

RJB,

I know you pre-ordered yours from CC. Do you think its a concern to be shipped from the warehouse to the store then to your house? Or do you think I should just wait until it hits the warehouse? Do you think this tv is going to be hard to get when it hits the warehouse or easy? If it's easy, i will wait... so...what do you think? Hard to get when it hits the warehouses?

Jamison, the guy at CC who seemed to be experienced and knew about the 960 (unlike a lot of these salesmen) told me it might be shipped before they are stocked in the stores, because they have to make room for them, set them up, etc. I would guess (but it's only a guess) that they won't sell out their whole stock in the first week or so, so if you're not in a hurry, you could probably wait and even see it in the store.

Do CC delivery crews work out of the warehouses or the stores. My salesmen said it may not come through his store to be delivered. Did he mean it might be delivered from another store (there is a smaller one closer to me) or the warehouse? I will try to ask that question when I talk to them again.

I know these things get moved around from Sony to the warehouse to the store, but if all TV's get shipped from the stores, it doesn't matter whether I order it from the store or on-line, does it? Or do you think the online purchases get shipped from the warehouse and store purchases get shipped from the stores? With my pre-order, I don't know if it will hit the store or not.

I think I will go back and buy it today. The ship date most likely is July 2nd. The deal is just too good. 0% and no payments for 21 months (march 2006) with the purchase of a HTIB (400 rebate on that). Sounds great, so I will purchase it today and start the Legal 30 day countdown for CC return policy. I just wish we can truely find out when this deal expires... I would wait if I knew I could get this deal at a later point.


The CC salesman tells me that they order the sets through their warehouse, not there store. So their stock inside the store is extremely low on sets.
I guess that would make sense if there are many CC in a given area. Saves $$ for CC .

I SAW THE XBR 910 TODAY AT GOODGUYS GREAT PICTURE IN HDTV; HOWEVER, WHEN I HAD THE SALESMAN SWITCH TO COMCAST CABLE, THE PICTURE WAS POOR. WE BOTH AGREED THE PICTURE WAS FUZZY, AND EVEN THAT THE EDGE BETWEEN THE PICTURE AND THE BLACK BARS FRAMING IT WAS TILTED INWARD; A CONCAVE SHAPE. DESPITE THE GREAT HDTV PICTURE, I WOULD HATE TO HAVE TO WATCH ALL NON-HDTV TELEVISION ON THIS SET.

NOT MY OPINON ALONE, IF YOU CHECK THE REVIEWS ON HTTP://WWW.CNET.COM YOU WILL SEE MANY POSTERS CLAIMING THE IMAGE ON NON-HDTV BROADCASTS IN NOT GOOD. OPINIONS? THANKS.

igreg,
I see you are a new member, welcome.
Please do not use capital letters for your post. It is the same as shouting or yelling at us.
Al

Funny you should mention that. I was in a decent home theatre store today and they had a 34xbr910 next to a 34hs420 and the 34hs420 (although it was clearly in torch mode) seemed quite a bit sharper than the xbr910. This certainly isn't what I would expect, especially with the xbr's super-fine pitch screen. But I could definitely see a lot more detail on the non-xbr set.

I tried the different presets (I remember reading that high brightness/contrast lowers the sharpness on the xbr) but it didn't help.

This was on a Hi-Def feed too. What gives?

This is not just This HDTV set. Its ALL hdtv sets! HDTV sets, in general, do not do well with Standard cable. The 960 actual enhances this so the standard cable actually looks better than what a regular set would look like.

I do not know what you are talking about with cnet. They actually gave the 910 the Number 1 spot as the best HDTV set on the market...

http://reviews.cnet.com/Sony_KV-34XBR910/4505-6481_7-30536650.html
Most poeple LOVE this set. The FEW (only 2 out of 34) people that mention the PQ of the 910 to an older set just plain do not know what they talking about. They are comparing the 910 to an NON hdtv set for standard cable. The 910 is not made for standard cable.

Keep in mind the 960 has worked out all of these kinks.

1.) preset memory or each input.
2.) increases standard PQ to better pq (some say, better then a regular set)

many more smaller improvements.

I'm just saying that I saw it side-by-side with a 34hs420 and the hs420 was quite a bit sharper. The image on the xbr910 looked smooth.

This could have been for any number of reasons (poor calibration, different cables, etc.), but it was quite noticeable. The skin tones looked a lot better on the xbr than anything else in the store though!

MY KD-34XBR960 HAS LEFT THE SONYSTYLE WAREHOUSE!!!!!

Thank you for your purchase
at Sony.

Steve,

To check your order status: http://www.sonystyle.com/orderstatus
The following items have been shipped:

Order Number: #SW---------------(# removed by me)

Product: KD-34XBR960
Qty: 1
Description: 34â?? Super Fine Pitch™ XBR Television
Date Shipped: 06/26/04
Shipping Status:
Shipper: NVCC




Sweet 2nd-gen SuperFinePitch CRT, I eagerly await your arrival.

Does anyone know what kind of signal is typically fed to the TVs at CC?

I thought that I might get bombarded for having used capital letters; I know it's not proper, but I accidently had the caps lock on and didn't feel it was necessary to retype the entire message. Hope you weren't too offended.

Back to my point...........for those that say HDTV sets are not meant for non-HDTV displays. I have yet to see non-HDTV dispays on most of the sets; if they are as bad as the XBR 910, I will be putting off an HDTV purchase for some time. I'll have to bring a DVD recorded disk off DirecTV and try it on the various plasma and direct view CRT sets and see if any can scale the image to where it can at least match my current fine picture on my 27" Proton set, from which I can receive up to 550i with DirecTV. I have read columns by "experts" who claim that 1024i sets are worse on non-HDTV soures because more scaling has to be done; these same sources say an EDTV actually gives you better image quaility with either DVD or standard definition.

For the poster that didn't believe that CNET reviewers criticized the XBR 910's non-HDTV performance, here are the quotes directly:

1)

Call me inexperienced or impatient with this generation of CRT, but I could not after 4 weeks get a picture to look anywhere near as good as a Sony 32" (kv-32xbr96s) I bought EIGHT years ago. I must note that I only connected a progressive-scan dvd player (Sony's own DVP-NC555ES). All of the presets looked horrible. I had to adjust the settings EVERY TIME for every different dvd I loaded in, which was very inconvenient. I had to turn the picture and brightness levels nearly all the way up to achieve a halfway decent picture. The best modes were either Movie or Pro. I hooked a videogame console up to it and it looked horrific. The images were blurry, snowy - not sharp and clean at all. I attempted to increase resolution somewhat by bringing in the edges (horizontal and vertical overscan) by accessing the service menu. Again, hardly any improvement. The DRC Palette controls are a joke. I could make out hardly any changes in picture quality no matter how far in any direction I adjusted. Again, this for me was a HUGE disappointment. I ended up returning the set with a new found appreciation of my OLD Trinitron XBR2.

2) When watch 4:3 ratio source, the image can be fuzzy wether is from DVD or TV. Moreover, when play some (not all) wide screen DVD, for some reason, the images is not as sharp as I would hoped for.

3) The HD picture is awesome!! However, any analog signal (show) still looks pretty bad, and that is not in comparison to HD, but rather, in comparison to my other Sony.

4. Regular programming is nothing to write home about, but the HD is incredible!

5. One catch...this TV is not made for non-HD broadcasts.

6. Regular over the air, and Standard Dish signal does not look good.

7. I will concede that analog broadcasts do not look as good as hoped.

8. The analog reception on this set is not as good as it is on my 36 in Sony.

9. I'm just an average viewer. I have a 32 inch Sony which I love. I've had the XBR910 almost a week and the set is easy to use and has some good features. But all I am doing is constantly adjusting this set. The picture on a regular TV station is HORRIFIC!! Some stations are clear (somewhat) and others are terrible! I keep trying to adjust, and it is annoying. I'm visiting the retailer (Tweeter) this week to see if this is my set or if this is to be expected. All I know is that my regular Sony never needs adjustment and every TV station looks the same. That can't be said of this set. I had a non-progressive scan DVD hooked up and picture was not cystal clear. I bought a low-end progressive scan DVD player with component video hook-ups and the picture showed little-to-no change. Taking that back today to see if a higher end player will make a difference. I compared the same movie on my 32 inch Sony and the clarity is better. I don't know if this is just a bad set or if this is what should be expected. This set is just too high maintenace for me. I can't stand the thought that I paid $2250 and anything other than a close-up shot of people looks horrible. The DRC settings are pretty useless. Little change between them and, honestly, I'm tired of tweeking this thing all of the time. If something changes drastically (like this set gets repaired) I'll provide an update. I have 60 days to return it and I'm seriously thinking of doing that except for the fact that I have to pack it back up and cart the 200 lb monster back to the store.

Are these reviewers all mistaken? If not, can you really justify spending the $ for this set when you are limited to a 28" poor non-HDTV signal with uneven edges. The HDTV picture was fantastic, but unless the standard picture with DirecTV is at least on par with my current set, I can not justify the purchase at any price. Perhaps DirecTV's great image quality will make the difference over the cable version I saw today. Further, the signal may not have been pristine, or the store may not be using the best connection (S-Video).

Appreciate anyone with personal experience on receiving non-HDTV signals on this set. For me at least, this is the deal breaker on this set. Thanks!

MY KD-34XBR960 HAS LEFT THE SONYSTYLE WAREHOUSE!!!!!

Rizzle, let us know when you get it! I'm amazed it's being sent out before 7/2. Did they give you a tracking number so you can confirm it was shipped out?

How long ago did you put your order in?

Originally posted by RJB in Phila
Rizzle, let us know when you get it! I'm amazed it's being sent out before 7/2. Did they give you a tracking number so you can confirm it was shipped out?

How long ago did you put your order in?

Getting excited about your Order RJB? CC should be getting them soon as well.. Today i am going to pre-order it. I wonder when the general public will get this set... soon I hope

Yes, I got a tracking number. No updates on their shipping tracker, it won't be updated until Monday. I preordered it on June 1st on SonyStyle.com. Does anyone know where the SonyStyle warehouse is located.

So dont buy it IGREG.. sony wont go out of business because of you. You still fail to realize the 960 has been updated. Standard cable should look BETTER on this set then even a Non-hdtv.

Do you think most of those people commenting read this forum? I bet not. I also bet that they did not go out and buy the Avia or DVE dvd to calibrate this set. Most newer sets need calibration.

The 960 can now store preset settings for each input. That voids half of those comments. The other half is void by the new tech in the 960 to increase standard cable.

This "Igreg" person is new. Perhaps a Panasonic TROLL???

So, where are you seeing that SD is improved on this set? I agree about non-hd material on a HD set. Even on a $16,000 Runco Plasma, HD=stunning SD= Crap :)

bob

Originally posted by spongebob
So, where are you seeing that SD is improved on this set? I agree about non-hd material on a HD set. Even on a $16,000 Runco Plasma, HD=stunning SD= Crap :)

bob

From the sonystyle webpage:

"Digital Reality Creation™ MultiFunction V1 Circuitry raises standard definition signals to HD quality via a digital bit mapping process, which is user adjustable. The end result? A display of clear, stable images from any video source."

I sure hope so :)

bob

Yes, I got a tracking number. No updates on their shipping tracker, it won't be updated until Monday. I preordered it on June 1st on SonyStyle.com. Does anyone know where the SonyStyle warehouse is located.

Thanks, Rizzle. Congratulations on probably getting one of the first available.

Yes, Jamison, I am getting anxious. I can't wait. I hope you get yours soon also.

..guy at tweeter checked their computer in a nearby burb of chicago, said the 960 will be at his store july 7th...my 960 is on order from sony for a replacement, so anytime before the end of august and I'll be happy...right now I'm convincing my wife she doesn't need comcast's on-screen guide so i can get the cablecard instead...it's an uphill battle (as most of them are with her)..teehee

DRC is NOT new...maybe new to the 34" models but my 40XBR800 has DRC and overall it's not terribly impressive. If you're counting on DRC to solve the poor SD issue on HD sets then you might want to wait untill you can see one in the stores before you hand over $2000.

Interesting how some folks are so adamantly defending the virtues of a set that hasn't been seen or reviewed yet and relying on Sony's own marketing material as their support :rolleyes: Of course Sony is going to claim it's an improvement over the previous model. I hope the 960 is a significant improvement, but I think I'll reserve my judgement untill I can actually form an objective opinion.

Happy to hear that the sets are actually starting to ship as scheduled...keep us updated Rizzle.

Originally posted by JamisonBWolsh
From the sonystyle webpage:

"Digital Reality Creation™ MultiFunction V1 Circuitry raises standard definition signals to HD quality via a digital bit mapping process, which is user adjustable. The end result? A display of clear, stable images from any video source."

No Doubt TH3.... Marketing?Maybe..most likely not though. The 910 was a breakthrough on the widescreen tv set industry. It blew away all the competitors. Most websites list the 910 as the #1 set. Will the 960 replace the 910 as the BEST Hdtv out there? Yes! Many of the features that the 910 lacked, the 960 improved and then some.

Im sure the DRC may not be perfect, hence the reason its user adjustable. Once calibrated, this set will look amazing on Standard cable.

I see you bought a 40xbr800. I heard about that monster. Thats why they are not releasing a updated model. Your hopes was dashed when you bought that set. AND thats why you are so doubtfull on the ability of the 960. You spent all that money and now comes something SO MUCH better. Stop being envious. You should have done your homework before you bought that 4:3 set.

Well, my friend, please refrain your negative comments (not proven) to another thread.

We KNOW, once calibrated properly, the 910 is a stunning set. The 960 is an IMPROVEMENT on this model. 'NUFF SAID.

PS:Sony does not have to claim anything. Just download the manual and you will see for yourself all the improvements. This is not FICTION. Its Fact. Its not marketing, its Reality. The 960 is an updated version of the 910. we know how great that set it. We will NOT be let down on this amazing set when it comes out.

PPS: Whats all these threads that you start about dissing the 960? From comparisons to release dates... come on now, stop dissing the 960! Im starting to smell a TROLL....

I don't believe I've ever "dissed" the 960 or 910. In fact, I can pull up a thread where I suggested that the 960 would be the best tube Sony has ever made and just might be the finest display of any type on the market once it is released. My point was simply that if you are expecting DRC to be the SD savior then you might want to wait and check it out for yourself before you committ to an opinion. The 960 is indeed an upgrade to a fine HD tube and the many improvements are listed in the manual as you have pointed out. But as I've said before, I'll reserve judgement until I see how those improvements translate from paper to the reality of PQ.

My only real concern with your statements is where you say "Once calibrated, this set will look amazing on Standard cable." That is a very bold statement indeed since no other HD display that I'm aware of has ever been able to pull this off...although "amazing" is a matter of opinion. I for one hope you are right, but again, I can't start preaching it until I see it for myself. Please don't misconstrue my statements as bashing the 960, I'm simply maintaining an open mind and waiting for Sony to prove that the 960 is everything they claim it will be. I hope that you are right and the dream of great SD PQ on an HD display becomes a reality. I'll be happy to admit that you were right all along.

Yes, I have a 40XBR800. My disappointment has nothing to do with the PQ...it's fantastic on DVD, HD, and most other digital content. some SD and especially analog leaves something to be desired, but that's the case with most HD displays on the market. I am one of the unfortunate ones to have the color impurity "green blob" issue, otherwise I'd be completely satisfied with the set. I did indeed do my homework and decided to take a chance with the 40XBR800 since it would be the right set for me as long as the color purity problems didn't come my way (and I got called on that one). I'd get great 40" 4:3 content and still have a 37" 16:9 display for HD and DVD...best of both worlds considering how much SD we still watch at this point. I never considered the 910 because it is too small for my situation, so no, I'm not at all envious. I actually have a 34XBR960 on the way as replacement for the 40". Yes, it's still too small but I figured it would be easier to sell a new model that I hope will be the best on the market (not to mention 100lbs lighter :)) than another 40".

I don't have a problem with you or your opinions, I just think that you are absolutely certain of something that is uncertain until proven. Will the 960 be an inprovement over a fine tube...certainly. Will the 960 have better SD PQ than previous sets and maybe all other sets on the market...probably. Will the 960 be the ultimate HD tube and satisfy us in every way...probably not but I'd be happy to be proven wrong. Only time will tell.

I'm not having any luck getting a KD34XBR960 ordered in San Diego.

I've been to two CC's, and while they have a price in their system significantly lower than SonyStyle, they aren't showing any warehouse stock or an ETA. At both CC's I went to, the sales people didn't show any interest in letting me pre-order, and insisted that I couldn't order one until they showed stock in a warehouse. They also had never heard of this TV, and had no clue as to when they would ever arrive.

I visited one GG, which would allow a pre-order, and expected company stock in early July (they could actually pull up and show me the total number on order for the whole company). However, they didn't have a lower price than SonyStyle. They also would not price-match CC's price because CC doesn't have the TV in stock yet.

I visited one Best Buy, and they do not carry XBR. They could pull it up in their system (quoted same price as SonyStyle), but insisted that they could not actually sell them.

So, I'm basically stuck in a holding pattern. I want to order the TV now, at the CC price, but can't seem to get it done.... Frustrating!

Check at Frys, they carry Sony XBRs and price-match.

Originally posted by Joxer
Check at Frys, they carry Sony XBRs and price-match.

Thanks for the idea. But I think they have a restocking fee, which is a killer issue for me.

CC and GG have a no restocking fee 30-day return policy.

I don't plan on returning the TV, but as this will by first 16:9 TV, I want to be able to return it if neccessary. I've agonized for a year as to whether it would be better to get 4:3 or 16:9, I fully understand the tradeoffs, and I've decided on 16:9. But, I want to be able to return it with no hassles if I get it home and on 4:3 material on it drives my family crazy, or it's too small for my room, etc. [Please, I'm not trying to drive this thread to an aspect format or screen size debate - there are plenty of other threads on that...]

At first circuit city would not pre-order for me eithor. Their system will not allow you to order the set untill it his their warehouse. Their is a loophole however that both I and RJB used. Convince the saleman to have the set shipped to the store and then delivered to your house. By doing this, you CAN pre-order it. When I first tried to pre0order the salesman said I cant do that. I talked to the manager and he told me the only way you can preorder is to ship it to the store first.. Try that. Should work. IMO CC should be getting the set VERY soon. Sony started to ship the set to sonystyle customers already.

Hurray up though has 2 deals about to expire July 1.

1.) 0% percent and No payments untill March 2006- apply for the sony card through CC. (You have to buy a HTIB with this offer. BUT sony sends you a rebate form worth $400)

2.)0% for 18 months.

THAT MEANS THE FIRST 16 WILL BE HERE BY THURSDAY!!!

TO EVERYONE ON THE LIST, I WILL BE CONTACTING YOU SOON FOR SHIPPING THESE OUT TO YOU BEFORE CC GETS IT IN STOCK!!

TODAY IS A GREAT MONDAY ALREADY.

Can someone tell me the difference in quality between the various HTIB systems that are available? I was originally thinking about upgrading my home theater with an Onkyo TX-SR601 receiver, an HSU VTF-2 subwoofer, and speakers from Ascend Acoustics. Would one of these HTIB system approach what I was planning to get in sound quality?

Originally posted by ONLY SONY
THAT MEANS THE FIRST 16 WILL BE HERE BY THURSDAY!!!

TO EVERYONE ON THE LIST, I WILL BE CONTACTING YOU SOON FOR SHIPPING THESE OUT TO YOU BEFORE CC GETS IT IN STOCK!!

TODAY IS A GREAT MONDAY ALREADY.

Unless your a rep at CC (which your not).. How would you know? Your a merchant against CC. CC and Sony both have an agreement. Logically speaking CC and you should get the set the same time.... which means CC should get it on Thursday or sooner! ( Im hoping)

I have several ex-employees that work at CC..

Can someone tell me the difference in quality between the various HTIB systems that are available? I was originally thinking about upgrading my home theater with an Onkyo TX-SR601 receiver, an HSU VTF-2 subwoofer, and speakers from Ascend Acoustics. Would one of these HTIB system approach what I was planning to get in sound quality?

Ed, I have the Ascend system and I am very happy with it. I seriously doubt any HTIB would come close. However, you may want to audition them and see for yourself.

JamisonBWolsh,
Read the fine print at CC for the TV's "Up to 10% off $499 and Up, Plus 18 months no interest excludes outlet...and Sony XBR
Sony XBR!!!

This is on CC's Home/Televsion page and has been there for some time.

RJB,

Which specific speakers and receiver do you have?

Originally posted by JamisonBWolsh
I talked to the manager and he told me the only way you can preorder is to ship it to the store first.. Try that. Should work. IMO CC should be getting the set VERY soon. Sony started to ship the set to sonystyle customers already.

Hurray up though has 2 deals about to expire July 1.


Thanks for the tip. My problem has been finding a competent salesperson at CC - next time I'll ask for the manager. They've been very busy during my visits, and I always seem to end up with someone coming over from the Walkman department....

Basically, I have no love for CC versus GG, but CC is offering the best price (pre-haggling) which in my book earns them the sale. (I'm a big fan of price matching, but I figure I should be giving my business to the store that offers the best price up-front.)

Delivering to the store first is no problem for me. I want to pick it up from the store anyway. I've got a big family members who can help me unload it from the minivan at home. Can do on my own schedule, and saves delivery $$$.

Originally posted by weetoots
JamisonBWolsh,
Read the fine print at CC for the TV's "Up to 10% off $499 and Up, Plus 18 months no interest excludes outlet...and Sony XBR
Sony XBR!!!

This is on CC's Home/Televsion page and has been there for some time.

Weetoots,

Thats for the 10 percent off....
the 18 months 0 percent is VALID for the 960. I actually used that deal before I returned to get the Sony deal at cc.

edstalnaker,

Look into the son-6600dp HTIB. Not only does is come with 5 speakers and a reciever, it includes a 5 disc dvd progressive player. Sony will mail you a 400 dollar rebate for this system if you purchase the 960 at the same time. Great deal! System may not be as good as RJb's, but you cannot beat the price (practically free after CC sale price)

Have we established who this person actually is?

Exactly where is "here" that the first 16 sets willwill be? Are you an authorized Sony dealer? Please provide your web site or some other useful information.

Originally posted by ONLY SONY
THAT MEANS THE FIRST 16 WILL BE HERE BY THURSDAY!!!

TO EVERYONE ON THE LIST, I WILL BE CONTACTING YOU SOON FOR SHIPPING THESE OUT TO YOU BEFORE CC GETS IT IN STOCK!!

TODAY IS A GREAT MONDAY ALREADY.

Here's the deal I got:

XBR960 10% off CC price (which is lower than Sony Style's price)
18 months
free basic delivery

HT6600 home theater
10% off CC price
will get $400 rebate from Sony

I had no problem special ordering the set.

Great deal. Any idea how you got the 10% off? What I read says that it does not apply to XBR's or Wega's. Thanks for any insight. Has anybody in the Tampa area gotten this deal? I would be willing to do some travelling for this deal.

Gordon

Which specific speakers and receiver do you have?

Ed, I have the 170's in front and back (4), the 340 for the center, and the HSU VTF 2 subwoofer. My receiver is just a run-of-the-mill Yamaha 6.1. I really think the Ascends are a great value. I assume you've seen the ascend forum (www.ascendforum.com)?

anyone have any idea how functional the on-screen program guide will be. Specifically, how does it compare to say the comcast interactive program guide?

RJB,

I have seen the forum, although haven't followed it lately. I was wondering if it was worth it to get all 340's. Plus, when I called an engineer at Ascend and told him I wanted to mount the rear speakers on the wall, he told me that the 200's would work better than the 170 in that situation (actually sound better). Any comment on that? How big of a room do you have your setup in? My family room is 18' long by 14' wide, but it's open to the kitchen in the back.

cpschmidt2,

Can you tell me how I can go into my local CC and get the same deal you got? That seems amazing! Plus, what stand are you using? Did you buy the XBR3 $349 stand?

Here is My deal I JUST got from CC.

21 months 0% financing NO payments

Standard price of xbr960 (lower then MSRP)

Son-DP6600 Dream System
($400 Rebate)(4 DVD's)(Backpack)

Basic Delivery $40.00

Sony XBR1 Stand (ALOT Lower then the 349 MSRP)

CC will call me when the warehouse gets it in. I could not get the 10 percent off the dream system because I choose the Sony Deal.

anyone have any idea how functional the on-screen program guide will be. Specifically, how does it compare to say the comcast interactive program guide?

See for yourself...

Originally posted by helser
Great deal. Any idea how you got the 10% off? What I read says that it does not apply to XBR's or Wega's. Thanks for any insight. Has anybody in the Tampa area gotten this deal? I would be willing to do some travelling for this deal.

Gordon
I just asked for the discount on the XBR, they offered it on the Home Theater system.

Originally posted by cpschmidt2
Here's the deal I got:

XBR960 10% off CC price (which is lower than Sony Style's price)
18 months
free basic delivery

HT6600 home theater
10% off CC price
will get $400 rebate from Sony

I had no problem special ordering the set.

I hope this is truth. It sounds like you got a rep who does not know how to do his/her Job.

1.) XBR is NOT 10 percent off (fine print excludes the XBR)
2.) HTIB- Its eithor the 18 months OR the 10 percent off.. NOT BOTH.
3.) Delivery. Its Possible. I hear some CC's will haggle. Mine does not. Most does not from the CC's I went to.

Hey Schmidt- You should have taken the deal offered by SONY. No payments untill 2006- SWEET!

What CC are you dealing with.I went to the Mt.view and Stevens Creek CC's in the bay area and they said they had no idea when these sets would be in and could not do any sales untill they had them in stock.I have a ten percent off coupon that is only good till june 30th that i would like to use.

Originally posted by pt270
What CC are you dealing with.I went to the Mt.view and Stevens Creek CC's in the bay area and they said they had no idea when these sets would be in and could not do any sales untill they had them in stock.I have a ten percent off coupon that is only good till june 30th that i would like to use.

You HAVE to special order this set to the STORE, not from the warehouse. They cant order it from the warehouse, they can to the store. If the rep wont let you, speak to the manager. This is the same policy throughout the nation. Most employees do not know you can "special order" something this is not in stock yet, but you can....

Well on Saturaday I received my email confirmation direct from SonyStyle saying my KD34XBR960 had been shipped and to expect at least 7 to 10 bussines days for the Premium delivery service.
Even though I have the cash I opted for the 18 months same as cash and got the Sony C.Card the Premium delivery service is availible on any 32" and above and was free if you Pre-Odered from SonyStyle.
The offical Ship date is July 2nd I dout any stores will have them before then.
I plan on using some of the saved cash to upgrade to a better Projector.
I'm going to be more curious if the store price will be the Pre-Order price or slighly higher:)

I went to a third CC, and no luck. I could finally find someone who would preorder the XBR960 for me, and even then they only agreed because they showed in the system that someone else had preordered one. Still no ETA, though. Problem for me is that I wanted the bottom end HT system offered in the deal, and they didn't show that in stock, either, so they wouldn't let me order that. That was a killer for me, given that nobody actually has these TVs yet. Also, no 10% on XBR, and these guys didn't even want to do the 10% financing deal in combination with the rebate. Overall, they weren't knowledgeable at all about the rebates and deals, even though they had signs all over the place. The sales guy was nice, but basically he just wanted me to leave and buy later...

(Note that for the Sony rebate when buying a TV with HT, you must have both on the same receipt!)

I went to a second GG, and there I finally had success. GG's computer is showing that they received a big shipment today of XBR960s into their inventory (they showed me the screen - over the weekend it was saying July 3, but now it says June 28 - I guess they showed up early). Supposedly mine should arrive at the store by the weekend (but we'll see...). And they price-matched CC (which I couldn't get the other GG to do over the weekend).

Only trouble for me is that GG doesn't list the HT that I want (as part of the Sony rebate deal) in their system at all. [I'm trying to get the - I don't need a HT, but I could use the combo DVD/VHS player for the kids...] They are trying to add it to their system, so that I can get them both on the same receipt. So, it ain't over yet!

Been a long road - 3 CC's and 2 GG's, but I'm finally seeing the light at the end of the tunnel...

They offered me that same dream system deal.
I said I have aprox 15k tied up in just A/V gear and I really didn't need another HT or HTiB.
I think the sales dudes jaw dropped when I mentioned the 15k.
and a projector all in the same room.
One thing I had to do was actually call and order it from Sony to qualify for the 18 month same as cash.
The deal over the net was only a 12 month deal.
I thought about just waiting but then looking at the price of the old model and most places have em marked down only a few hundred dollars I figured
why not get one with the tuner built in for roughly the same price.
Sony wouldn't elaborate on whether the 2199 was the MSRP or just the pre-order price.
I guess this is on par my first Sony TV a 27"EXR-25 now 12 years old and it was MSRP at just over a grand is still kickin I just hope this XBR has a better ic in the turn on circuit.
I've had to replace the same Ic every other year since I bought it
Now it's my kids problem he can fix it next time:)

Anyone live close to the shipping area of this site (http://www.wholesaleconnection.com/productdetails.aspx?Product=3395)
Great price, no stock until Aug. But what a price if you are willing to wait.

Hello,

I've had a little 9" TV/radio for the last ten years or so, and though it has served me well through thick and thin, (I don't watch much TV), I've been thinking lately about upgrading.

I still don't see myself watching too much TV in the future, but I love movies, and am finally preparing to give over to DVD addiction. But only on one condition: I want the best quality picture possible from the best source, for a reasonable price.

In my mind that safely narrows the field to CRT's in one fell swoop.
In surfing this forum for the last few days I've read a lot about the XBR960,
and it sounds very promising.

I have two questions that I hope some of the knowledgeable folks on this board might help out with:

1. I'm a little uneasy about the wide-screen format; there are a lot of great
movies out there that were shot in Academy Standard aspect ratio.
I understand that in a few more months Sony will be shipping a 4:3 version
of the 960. I guess the trade off there is that while Academy Standard
movies would be full screen and gorgeous, wide screen movies would
be presented at a lower resolution than they would on the 960, (although
at an apparently similar image size). Its a choice between Apocalypse
Now! and The Third Man.

2. In browsing this forum I've come across some posts that seem to indicate
that while HDTV's like the 960 are great for HDTV signal, its possible they
may be outperformed by regular TV's when it comes to regular broadcast
signal.

What about in terms of DVDs? Like regular broadcast signal, DVDs don't
contain as much information as HDTV signal, so is it possible that the Sony
960 is actually not the best display choice for movies? Maybe there are
tubes already out there that will display DVD's as well or better for less
money?

Since the promotional deals available on the 960 at CC are about to evaporate in a few days, I'd be grateful for any comments or thoughts.

Thanks,

-Bill.

A couple of thoughts for you billhound.

1. Are you considering purchasing one of the finer HDTV monitor with regards to the performance of SDTV? I understand that not all broadcast material is HD quality (someone pinch me, please!), but that will change over the course of time. I believe that you will be happier with a 16:9 in three years time.

2. As we move forward towards HD-DVD (come on Blu-Ray!), this monitor will truly show its' colours and allow you to enjoy increased resolution.

Bottom line, don't just buy an expensive product for today...Look to the future, as a product of this nature is capable of handling what the near-future holds in store for us.

I can't wait!!! I just placed my order through the Sony Family Store this AM for an incredible price! Hopefully, I will have mine before the Summer Olympics begin in August!

Excellent question Billlhound. I too am trying to solve this dilemma. Wish there was more info on this subject. It would be nice to have a 36" full screen televison (that may also provide a better picture with standard signals than the XBR 960; at least no irregular shaped black bars framing a reported soft, fuzzy 4:3 picture). And the HDTV image would still be 33". Further, the 36" model wil also include the Super Fine Pitch technology. Perhaps this is the best combination. What do you think?


Sony is also adding the XS-series to the FD Trinitron WEGA lineup. The expanded line will also feature Super Fine Pitch technology and include the widescreen 34-inch KD-34XS955, KD-30XS955 30-inch and 4:3 KD-36XS955 36-inch models. The widescreen models will be available for $2,000 $1,400, respectively in August and the 36-inch model will sell for around $1,900 in October.

Source: http://news.sel.sony.com/pressrelease/4439

Originally posted by igreg

Sony is also adding the XS-series to the FD Trinitron WEGA lineup. The expanded line will also feature Super Fine Pitch technology and include the widescreen 34-inch KD-34XS955, KD-30XS955 30-inch and 4:3 KD-36XS955 36-inch models. The widescreen models will be available for $2,000 $1,400, respectively in August and the 36-inch model will sell for around $1,900 in October.

Source: http://news.sel.sony.com/pressrelease/4439

Remember, The ONLY set that sony is offering the 2nd generation of super fine pitch tech is the 960. No other set will have this technology. With this tech, supposedly, the set will bring up the picture quality of standard cable to exceed the reg pq of reg sets. The first generation is not that good in accomplishing that.
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BSD107,
CC is NOT offering the 10 percent off! Its against their regulations! you can try, but as you seen, fail. The other guy just got lucky with a bad rep. As for GG, I refuse to shop there. The reps Jump all over you for a sale. This does make haggling with them easier, but I dont want to be made a fool if I dont buy their warranty. I am suprised that they would price match. Most GG's would not. PLUS, when I went there, the price was more then the MSRP of 2199.00
What was the financing offer from GG?
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For those others, try to get the son-6600dp. The 5 disc progressive player DVD alone is worth more money if you bought it seperetly then after you get the $400 rebate. Its like getting 6 speakers and a reciever free.
The quality of the DVD player rated really good on the internet as well as the HTIB.
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MEANWHILE, HURRAY UP AND BUY FROM CC!!!!!!!
The Sony Offer of 21 months No interest and NO payment ends June 30.
The CC credit card offer of 18 months no interest ends July 3rd.
XBR1 stand at a GREAT discount! Buy it before the XBR3 comes in..
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I just wanted to add that the first generation of the Super Fine Pitch does do a very good job with regular SD channels. I own one and i'm often blown away at how good standard tv channels look.

What's the Sony Family Store?

bob





Originally posted by Segaboy
A couple of thoughts for you billhound.

1. Are you considering purchasing one of the finer HDTV monitor with regards to the performance of SDTV? I understand that not all broadcast material is HD quality (someone pinch me, please!), but that will change over the course of time. I believe that you will be happier with a 16:9 in three years time.

2. As we move forward towards HD-DVD (come on Blu-Ray!), this monitor will truly show its' colours and allow you to enjoy increased resolution.

Bottom line, don't just buy an expensive product for today...Look to the future, as a product of this nature is capable of handling what the near-future holds in store for us.

I can't wait!!! I just placed my order through the Sony Family Store this AM for an incredible price! Hopefully, I will have mine before the Summer Olympics begin in August!

The Family Store is a Sony Store for employess only. It's usually on Sony property out of reach from the public. They sell the set for around $1400.

DON'T LET THIS CC EMPLOYEE GET YOU GUYS WORKED UP.

THE NO INTEREST DEALS WILL ALWAYS BE AROUND. WE CAN OFFER THEM ALL YEAR IF WE WANT.

A SMALLER DEALER IS ALWAYS BETTER THAN A "GROCERY STORE" CC ANY DAY.

DO YOU THINK THEY WILL STOP MAKING DEALS ON THIS NEW SET..THINK

CC employee. Hell no. They dont get paid very well. Im just reporting what I researched on. The SONY deal is good untill June 30 (as told to me by a cc employee) the 18 month deal I read in the fine print: Expires July 3. Will they offer another deal. Probably. But not positive. This one expires July 3rd. Is a smaller store better? Depends.

Your Keyboard is broken. Your caps lock is stuck ON.

CC told me that they expect new financing deals to come out on July 4 - that's why the current one expires on July 3

Regarding "2nd Generation Super Fine Pitch Tube", I'm not sure what it really means. If you read the descriptions of the tube, the same claims would apply to the XBR910. So, I'm not sure if it's really going to really be any better or not - could just be sales hyperbole.

Note that I did personally see both the new 34"XBR and the 36"XS models for the Asian market a few weeks ago in Singapore (i.e. the ones you can see on the Sony Japan web site - note that they use different measurements outside the US!). Even though the new 34" 16:9 tv has the same tube as the XBR960, and the 36" supposedly has a first generation SFP, each TV had exactly the same "Super Fine Pitch" logos - there was nothing being advertised, including the labels on the TVs themselves, to indicated that the 34" used better tube technology.

Unfortunately, although this was a SonyStyle store, they only had a DVD feed (not digital) through the CRT TVs, so I couldn't do a meaningful comparison. Both TVs look equally good considering...

Originally posted by pt270
What CC are you dealing with.I went to the Mt.view and Stevens Creek CC's in the bay area and they said they had no idea when these sets would be in and could not do any sales untill they had them in stock.I have a ten percent off coupon that is only good till june 30th that i would like to use.
The CC in Tuscaloosa, AL.

The fact that they won't have stock until August makes me wonder if they are an authorized retailer although the claim full factory warranty on everything.

Their return policy states:

"Wholesale Connection does not accept returns unless they are in factory sealed unopened cartons. If the shipment is refused from the freight carrier, a credit will be issued for the unit price only. The customer will be responsible for any return shipping costs as well as the original cost to ship the item. Any item which proves to be defective within 15 days from the day you received the item (excluding DSS, televisions and installed car audio*) may be exchanged for a replacement (same model only).

"It is the customer's responsibility to ship the defective item to us at their expense. "

"DSS, televisions, and installed car audio are excluded from our return policy. All DSS and Televisions must be taken to an authorized repair center"

Looks like you get what you get, if it's broken that's your problem.

Originally posted by weetoots
Anyone live close to the shipping area of this site (http://www.wholesaleconnection.com/productdetails.aspx?Product=3395)
Great price, no stock until Aug. But what a price if you are willing to wait.

Completely agree...especially considering your past 10-year history with the 9". You'll have this set for many years and it's limitations in the present will certainly begin to melt away over the next 2-3 years as the broadcasting industry moves towards complete HD format. I'd buy the best now expecting that it won't be perfect in every situation but the available content will soon catch up with the display technology. Soon your Academy Standard aspect movies will be in the extreme minority and I think you'll be unhappy down the road if you purchase a set to best suit those films.

Originally posted by Segaboy
A couple of thoughts for you billhound.

1. Are you considering purchasing one of the finer HDTV monitor with regards to the performance of SDTV? I understand that not all broadcast material is HD quality (someone pinch me, please!), but that will change over the course of time. I believe that you will be happier with a 16:9 in three years time.

2. As we move forward towards HD-DVD (come on Blu-Ray!), this monitor will truly show its' colours and allow you to enjoy increased resolution.

Bottom line, don't just buy an expensive product for today...Look to the future, as a product of this nature is capable of handling what the near-future holds in store for us.

I can't wait!!! I just placed my order through the Sony Family Store this AM for an incredible price! Hopefully, I will have mine before the Summer Olympics begin in August!

Please stop yelling...the caps lock is on the left.

Originally posted by ONLY SONY
DON'T LET THIS CC EMPLOYEE GET YOU GUYS WORKED UP.

THE NO INTEREST DEALS WILL ALWAYS BE AROUND. WE CAN OFFER THEM ALL YEAR IF WE WANT.

A SMALLER DEALER IS ALWAYS BETTER THAN A "GROCERY STORE" CC ANY DAY.

DO YOU THINK THEY WILL STOP MAKING DEALS ON THIS NEW SET..THINK

I am very pleased to see that Sony has gone back to adopting animated menus for the direct-view 16:9 XBRs (like they first did with my KD-34XBR2).

Also, if you can trust the manual, it seems that Sony has finally fixed a glaring oversight with my set, namely it looks like you'll be able to select audio streams from devices connected via I.Link (i.e.- you'll be able to connect your D-Theater-equipped DVHS deck to the set via Firewire, select the DD or DTS [if its supported by the set?] stream, and then use the set's optical out to make the picture and sound match up). I can post links to other threads discussing this problem if you're not clear about this issue.

Regardless, it seems that Sony has a winner on their hands and finally a TRUE successor to the 34XBR2.

Now, if only you could select Video Inputs directly... ;)

Drvais,

You ask for direct access to the video inputs?

All Sony monitors have discreet IR codes that can take you directly to the desired inputs.

You can easily find them on www.remotecentral.com or somewhere similar.

Then you can embed those codes into a macro and never have to worry about it again.

Thanks for comment Tigerriot. Appreciate someone who actually owns an XBR 910 and can comment on the quality of SD signals. Both the GG salesman and I thought the picture on Comcast cable looked terrible on the XBR 910, but I don't know if the signal was digital, and the hook-up was probably not S-Video.

Could you tell me what your input source is (e.g., DirecTV via S-video), and, also, have you had any problems with the black bars not being straight while watching standard televison? At GG, the bars bent inward, and I don't know if there is a simple user adjustmnet to fix that?. Thanks!

I have (or had) the 34xbr800 and normal DirecTV (DirecTiVo) looks _awesome_ on it, overly compressed digital cable looked _terrible_ on my neighbor's 32" WEGA and would likely look just as bad if not worse on my 34" since all the artifacts would be 'enhanced'. I imagine DirecTV will look just as good if not better on the 960. In the past DirecTV was through s-video (after passing through my Denon 3801) but now I have a HDTiVo and DirecTV gets feed via component, and likely DVI after I fix the overscan.

Originally posted by bsd107
Regarding "2nd Generation Super Fine Pitch Tube", I'm not sure what it really means. If you read the descriptions of the tube, the same claims would apply to the XBR910. So, I'm not sure if it's really going to really be any better or not - could just be sales hyperbole.

Note that I did personally see both the new 34"XBR and the 36"XS models for the Asian market a few weeks ago in Singapore (i.e. the ones you can see on the Sony Japan web site - note that they use different measurements outside the US!). Even though the new 34" 16:9 tv has the same tube as the XBR960, and the 36" supposedly has a first generation SFP, each TV had exactly the same "Super Fine Pitch" logos - there was nothing being advertised, including the labels on the TVs themselves, to indicated that the 34" used better tube technology.

Unfortunately, although this was a SonyStyle store, they only had a DVD feed (not digital) through the CRT TVs, so I couldn't do a meaningful comparison. Both TVs look equally good considering... It is supposed to be 25% brighter. If you look at the Super Fine Pitch logo you will see that the i in fine and the i in pitch are two I's close together.

Originally posted by weetoots
Does anyone have a picture of the rear panel layout?

Page 2 from this link
http://www.geocities.com/kd34xbr960...xbr960page.html has the rear panel layout for this TV.

Bad Link! :(

Originally posted by drvais
Bad Link! :(

Sorry, I don't know what happened to that link. I saw it in another post. I read it and actually printed out a hard copy of the rear panel layout for reference. Now I can't even find the post where I got that link from.

ONLY SONY, Congrats you made my ignor list. Stick your CAPs....

The "rear panel" can be seen in the manual (http://www.docs.sony.com/release/KD34XBR960.pdf)

Does anyone have a picture of the rear panel layout?

got to the first post of this thread and the link is there.

or click this:

http://www.geocities.com/kd34xbr960/Theofficial34xbr960page.html

Thanks to everyone for their comments on my questions yesterday.
It seems like the consensus is that the xbr960 is really an investment in the future, rather than a TV that you sit down and watch today, (assuming you don't intend to acsess HDTV signals, as I don't). A question that comes to mind, of course, is why pay for this technology today when it will be that much cheaper in a year or three, (my 9" radio/tv is still going strong).

Anyway, I'm still confused on a couple of points:

First, I don't know what the SDTV that Segaboy mentions is, or the regular SD channels that Tigerriot brings up.

Second, and most importantly:

I'm still unclear about the kind of picture quality one can expect with a DVD source on this TV. I'm not talking about the aspect ratio choice here- just simple issues of resolution, contrast, shadow detail, aliasing artifacts, etc. Is this set a step up from other currently available, (and presumably less expensive) products, or is it merely a lateral move due to basic limitations of DVD media at present.

While I understand that the coming years will see improvements in broadcast, cable, and satellite technology that will make this set shine, really the only reason that I'm considering the upgrade is to be able to watch high quality DVDs of great movies where the image really matters.

Thanks again to everyone for your thoughts.

-Bill.

Originally posted by bsd107
Regarding "2nd Generation Super Fine Pitch Tube", I'm not sure what it really means. If you read the descriptions of the tube, the same claims would apply to the XBR910. So, I'm not sure if it's really going to really be any better or not - could just be sales hyperbole.
.........


I am no longer convinced that there is any difference between the XBR910 picture tube and the XBR960 picture tube or that Sony ever said there was.

I reread the post (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=3757386&highlight=phosphor#post3757386) which originally lead me to believe there was. I now interpret the information to be another generation of MICROFOCUS tubes not another generation of Super Fine Pitch tubes.

"Super Fine Pitch MICROFOCUS™ CRT
incorporates smaller phosphor particles and a thinner phosphor layer over Sony's previous MICROFOCUS™ picture tubes, to achieve a 28% reduction in beam spot size. The result is a sharper focus, higher contrast and a brighter image."

Does anyone have a link which refers directly to a "2nd generation Super Fine Pitch MICROFOCUS CRT?"

Originally posted by Alan Sh
I am no longer convinced that there is any difference between the XBR910 picture tube and the XBR960 picture tube or that Sony ever said there was.

Does anyone have a link which refers directly to a "2nd generation Super Fine Pitch MICROFOCUS CRT?"


From the Sony Press Release on the 960:
Utilizing second generation Super Fine Pitch™ CRT technology, which was developed exclusively for displaying high definition content, the KD-34XBR960 produces true to life, high-resolution images with virtually no visible vertical scanning lines on the screen for outstanding corner to corner image precision. The KD-34XBR960 34-inch model will be available in June for about $2,200


http://news.sel.sony.com/pressrelease/4439


I still think my KV-27FV16 has one of the best SD pictures of I've seen (much better than my father's 65" XBR), but I'm tired of not being able to take full advantage of my PS2 games that are Progressive Scan and a the majority of my XBox games that are in 480p, 720p, and a couple in 1080i. I can get OTA and cable HD channels so there will be an improvement there too. Once I properly calibrate my video cards output settings to match standard HD signal specs, the 960 will be a 34" monitor for my computer. Another plus is the HDMI connection which both Microsoft and Sony have already said would be an available output on their next gen systems. Right now, I got a 960 with stand for less than a 910 costs with a free stand. For me, it was a no brainer.

I think *MY* 32xbr100 (XBR squared) has the best analog picture ever displayed :)

bob

*sputter*! Is this a step up for DVD!? OMG if you're talking about going from a normal TV to this TV then yes, by god yes. When I first got my 34xbr800 2+ years ago I didn't get it for HDTV, I got it for DVDs, it looks _so much better_. Bigger, clearer, sharper, better colors, way better resolution. After I got the TV I rewatched all my movies because they looked sooo much better. I only recently got a HDTV receiver in the last couple months and yes, HDTV looks awesome but still, about 50-60% of what I watch is DVD, and 30-40% DirecTV SD material. Forget about HDTV for the moment, $2000 is way worth it, its an investment for the now and for the later, having had the xbr800 for 2+ years I can't imagine going back to a 3:4 SD Tv unless I absolutely couldn't afford a $2000 TV.

Rizzle -

Thanks for the link as it encouraged me to call Sony again and this time I got a definitive answer. The part numbers on the XBR910 CRT and XBR960 CRT are identical - 8-735-218-05.

Very interesting :eek:


Originally posted by Alan Sh
Rizzle -

Thanks for the link as it encouraged me to call Sony again and this time I got a definitive answer. The part numbers on the XBR910 CRT and XBR960 CRT are identical - 8-735-218-05.

I think I may have led you slightly off course. The 960 is very much a TV that you sit down and watch today. It will be fantastic with DVD and one of the better if not best choices for SD (standard definition) on a wide screen. My point was simply that you won't be able to take full advantage of all it's technology with every source/broadcast at the present...but it's still about as good as it gets. Your material will certainly grow into the technology. You can always wait...but if that's your position then you might find yourself waiting forever. My advice would be to get this set now...it seems to fit your needs best...and start enjoying all your DVDs rather than wait. Prices have come down over the past few years. It's all a matter of your reference point...if you had started looking a year or two ago, then today you'd be saying "wow...these things are way cheaper and better quality then 2 years ago, it's time to dive in" :)

Originally posted by billhound
Thanks to everyone for their comments on my questions yesterday.
It seems like the consensus is that the xbr960 is really an investment in the future, rather than a TV that you sit down and watch today, (assuming you don't intend to acsess HDTV signals, as I don't). A question that comes to mind, of course, is why pay for this technology today when it will be that much cheaper in a year or three, (my 9" radio/tv is still going strong).

Anyway, I'm still confused on a couple of points:

First, I don't know what the SDTV that Segaboy mentions is, or the regular SD channels that Tigerriot brings up.

Second, and most importantly:

I'm still unclear about the kind of picture quality one can expect with a DVD source on this TV. I'm not talking about the aspect ratio choice here- just simple issues of resolution, contrast, shadow detail, aliasing artifacts, etc. Is this set a step up from other currently available, (and presumably less expensive) products, or is it merely a lateral move due to basic limitations of DVD media at present.

While I understand that the coming years will see improvements in broadcast, cable, and satellite technology that will make this set shine, really the only reason that I'm considering the upgrade is to be able to watch high quality DVDs of great movies where the image really matters.

Thanks again to everyone for your thoughts.

-Bill.

At this point in time, why would anyone even consider the older 910, at almost 2k, when the 960 will only cost $50.00 more at CC. There is nothing more to discuss. Buy the 910 and watch yesterdays fine TV. Pay $50 more and watch a much better tube, today and for a few more years.
My prices come from a visit to CC, today.

I saw a 34XBR 910 a JVC 34" and the Other Sony34HS side by side at a store running the same clip from finding Nemo.
The Finer pitch XBR 34" was clearly the hands down winner for clarity, color depth, smoothness,
it had no visible masking grid.
The same could not be said for the JVC or the other Sony
however the HS did look better than the JVC but overall the XBR was my pick as the clear winner and it was marked down to 1799.
2199 and 1799 really isn't much of a gap for a Better product considering the 910 MSRP for 2499 originally
Knowing that all 05 models 32"and larger are required to have a Digital tuner built in I felt the need to get the 960 over the 910 plus all the other new implementations in the 960
Ultimately the 960 is more XBR for less cash out lay:)

According to May's "Home Theatre Technology" Direct view HDTV sets look good, but they are inherently inferior to larger plasma sets because CRT sers are just too small; that is, the sets are not large enough to propelry display enough pixels to give the viewer the best HDTV image resolution. Anyone see this article or care to comment?

Gee igreg, let's compare apples to oranges! Yes plasma looks better and with known problems, like cost, heat, and a life expectancy of less than 6 years. For some this is a good choice.
Why do you insist dissing the 960. Have you ever seen the 910 and then tried to imagine the improved 960. Well I have, as with the majority of this thread/forum.
We've looked at plasma, DLP, LCD and they have known problems. If you are the type who can afford to experiment, go ahead but stop dissing the 960. At least wait until it is on the floor of some showroom or in one of our homes, then we will collectively discuss the yea's and nea's of this tube type TV.

Originally posted by igreg
According to May's "Home Theatre Technology" Direct view HDTV sets look good, but they are inherently inferior to larger plasma sets because CRT sers are just too small; that is, the sets are not large enough to propelry display enough pixels to give the viewer the best HDTV image resolution. Anyone see this article or care to comment?
Well just more proof to file the the "Don't believe everything you read in a magazine" category. To the best of my knowledge the 960 can show more resolution of a HDTV signal than any plasma that you can currently buy. Until 1920x1080 plasmas show up they just won't be able to match the res of the 34XBR960.

I don't believe he was "dissing" anything...simply asking opinions on an article from a major publication on the subject. If you want to take issue with the article, then fine, let's discuss, but please be careful not to turn this into a personal argument.

Originally posted by weetoots
Gee igreg, let's compare apples to oranges! Yes plasma looks better and with known problems, like cost, heat, and a life expectancy of less than 6 years. For some this is a good choice.
Why do you insist dissing the 960. Have you ever seen the 910 and then tried to imagine the improved 960. Well I have, as with the majority of this thread/forum.
We've looked at plasma, DLP, LCD and they have known problems. If you are the type who can afford to experiment, go ahead but stop dissing the 960. At least wait until it is on the floor of some showroom or in one of our homes, then we will collectively discuss the yea's and nea's of this tube type TV.

I read in a Perfect Vision review of the 34XBR910 that the top of the chasis is not level, so it's almost impossible to rest a center channel on it. The XBR960 looks very similar in design to the XBR910. Does anyone want to speculate if the 960's top shelf is more level?

Drvais, one will probably need a speaker stand for the 960. It's probably no different than the 910, is my guess. I already bought one assuming I'd need it.

I just checked the CC web page for the 910 model. Although they still list it at the full MSRP, when I check availability they tell me that the only ones in stock are in areas in Central PA, with none being available in all of suburban Philadelphia. Also, no direct delivery is available.

I wonder if CC has gotten rid of almost all their inventory of the 910's in anticipation of getting the 960's? Other areas of the country may be different, of course.

Thats not true you can put a center speaker on the 910 and i am sure the 960 too.

What is the res of the 960/910 anyway? One article I read a while back put it somewhat over 1920, one article I read recently put it at 1401 and that it depends on if you say 1 triad equals 2 pixels (like in most instances) or 3 (because some people feel this is the case with CRT monitors)? BTW, I went to CC with a friend and we also easily got 10% off the already lower then MSRP price of the 960 plus 10% off the HT6600 which brought it down to $450 and using the rebate to get $400 back that HT will only cost him $50 :) Oh, and igreg, among the many other reasons why I wouldn't suggest buying a plasma over a CRT, remember that not everybody can sit 11' back from the display, 43"+ screens don't look so hot at around 6-8 feet, esp with SD material.

Sam

Originally posted by Sizam
What is the res of the 960/910 anyway? One article I read a while back put it somewhat over 1920, one article I read recently put it at 1401 and that it depends on if you say 1 triad equals 2 pixels (like in most instances) or 3 (because some people feel this is the case with CRT monitors)? BTW, I went to CC with a friend and we also easily got 10% off the already lower then MSRP price of the 960 plus 10% off the HT6600 which brought it down to $450 and using the rebate to get $400 back that HT will only cost him $50 :) Oh, and igreg, among the many other reasons why I wouldn't suggest buying a plasma over a CRT, remember that not everybody can sit 11' back from the display, 43"+ screens don't look so hot at around 6-8 feet, esp with SD material.

Sam

Technically a CRT doesn't have a resolution, but the aperature grill splits the light into 1400something vertical lines. That was for the 910. I've heard that the tube for the 960 is the same, but its calibrated to use a new grill that has 1600something lines. Hence, the "2nd-gen SuperFinePitch CRT". Either way, it's a much higher resolution than the LCD's and Plasmas on the market. And (again technically) the 960 is the closest to a "true" HD monitor Sony Consumer Electronics currently sells in terms of resolution.

Someone in another thread claims they saw a 960 in the store yesterday...and I can't find the damn thread now! My response was that it was probably a 910 since the 960 just started shipping a couple days ago.

Found it: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=3998347#post3998347

Regarding the set's resolution, according to Joe Kane, if the set isn't displaying native 720p (which I don't think it will), then sadly it's not really anywhere close to 1080i either.

BTW, I have a horizontally laying center speaker, so I wonder if this would make a positive difference for placing on top of the set, versus a vertical standing speaker?

OK So we are getting close to the answer to a question I've had for a long time. What is the resolution of this TV?

Seems like it has at least 1401 columns or of light, could be up to 1600 if Rizzle has good info about the aperature grill, I believe this is commonly referred to as the horizontal resolution.

Now drvais is passing on info that it has 720 or less rows, or scan lines being painted, commonly referred to vertical resolution.

How can Sony claim that this TV displays 1080i native if it doesn't paint at least 1080 scan lines?

When will this TV reach 1920 columns which is also the benchmark?

Who has definitive info? Where is the Sony source here?

Bob

Originally posted by drvais
Regarding the set's resolution, according to Joe Kane, if the set isn't displaying native 720p (which I don't think it will), then sadly it's not really anywhere close to 1080i either
Where do you guys come up with this crap? What does Joe Kane know about this set? Just because it converts 720p to 1080i, doesn't mean it has less than 720 lines of horizonal resolution. It has over 1080 lines of horizontal resolution.

Originally posted by ganleybob
OK So we are getting close to the answer to a question I've had for a long time. What is the resolution of this TV?

Seems like it has at least 1401 columns or of light, could be up to 1600 if Rizzle has good info about the aperature grill, I believe this is commonly referred to as the horizontal resolution.

Now drvais is passing on info that it has 720 or less rows, or scan lines being painted, commonly referred to vertical resolution.

How can Sony claim that this TV displays 1080i native if it doesn't paint at least 1080 scan lines?

When will this TV reach 1920 columns which is also the benchmark?

Who has definitive info? Where is the Sony source here?

Bob
The TV has over 1400 vertical sets of RGB stripes in the aperature grill. This would be the resolution in the X direction. Most 1080i footage only has an effective resolution of about 1400 or so (instead of 1920) because the signals are filtered to reduce the interlacing artifacts.

The TV has in excess of 1080i lines horizontally.

Thats not true you can put a center speaker on the 910 and i am sure the 960 too.

I guess it depends how big your center speaker is.

Im just curious if anyone knows a store - in chicago even - that has the 960 in stock so I can take a look at it. Anyone who has owned both the 910 and the 960 feel there is a big difference in the picture?

Thanks
Jeff

TH3_RB
Nothing personal, just making a statement. There are numerous posts by a certain person knocking the 960, claiming he has seen the bad picture. Same person claims he saw it at Magnolia Hi-fi.
Again, all I am stating is wait until it is out, then compare.
Just like the post above, "Anyone who has owned both the 910 and the 960 feel there is a big difference in the picture?"
It isn't out yet.......

Stereodude, my comments were misinterpreted by several people it seems. Joe Kane has mentioned in past issues of Widescreen Review that if a set (not solely the 960) cannot natively display 720p, then it probably isn't properly displaying 1080i either. I did NOT say that the 960 was limited to 720 lines of horizontal resolution.

Past iterations of the XBR 16:9 line have converted 720p to 1080i, and I'm guessing that the 960 will follow this tradition.

Now, hail to the King, baby! ;)

Agree 100%...that's what I've been saying for a while now :)

Originally posted by weetoots
TH3_RB
all I am stating is wait until it is out, then compare.

Hi folks,

Thanks for everyone's input on the 960 picture quality issues I brought up.
It sounds like it will be great for what I want.

Another question though:

As everyone knows Sony is offering some good deals on home theater in a box in conjunction with the 960. I understand that the DVD player in all of the systems is their DVP NC665P. Has anyone had experience with this player and will it get the best from the 960, or are there one or two players that will outperform it that someone might recommend?

I was not planning to buy a multi-disc, multi-media player like the Sony, and I'm skeptical of boxes that try to do too many things. Its only the promo deal they're offering with the 960 that makes me consider this player. As with the television, picture quality is my bottom line.

(Let me apologize in advance if this is too off-topic for this forum. I've posed this question in the DVD forum here, but so far no responses. And a search doesn't seem to yield much in the way of threads regarding this particular player. I suppose that might tell me something about it...)

-Bill.

Originally posted by TH3_FRB
Someone in another thread claims they saw a 960 in the store yesterday...and I can't find the damn thread now! My response was that it was probably a 910 since the 960 just started shipping a couple days ago.

Found it: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=3998347#post3998347
And he responded to you that it was indeed, a 910. So, no one has seen a 960 yet, that we know of. Should be soon now.

Gordon

I bought the 6600DP home theater. The 5 disc dvd progressive player is NOT in the same unit as the reciever. 2 separate units. The dvd player actually rated good. It costs less to buy the HTIB then if you bought the dvd by itself, plus you get the HTIB with it as a bonus! what a great deal! Buy the HT-6600dp. Its a great unit!