i assume the answer is no but is there any chance the Panasonic TU-HDS20 will be supported?

greg

Still curious why you need to send your bill in with the unit. We're not 6 year olds who are told "because I said so". Just looking for a reasonable explanation.

What is the problem with sending your bill? They need to be sure you are a legitimate customer of the service and they documentary evidence. Not hard to understand, I do not think.

Originally posted by HDTVFanAtic
Still curious why you need to send your bill in with the unit. We're not 6 year olds who are told "because I said so". Just looking for a reasonable explanation.

As long as we're guessing, how about they need the bill to know what channels you subsubscribe to? No sense checking out if HBO HD works if you don't subscribe to HBO. Just a thought.

R5000 - Are there any plans to expand this to the ATSC/QAM universe any time soon? My goal would be the Moto HDT-300 (once released), or an LG LST-4200 (right now).

Thanks!

Bill

Originally posted by HDTVFanAtic
Still curious why you need to send your bill in with the unit. We're not 6 year olds who are told "because I said so". Just looking for a reasonable explanation.

When you start a business and get involved with lawyers, credit card companies, banks, etc., you'll find that there are a lot of rules, regulations and recommendations that either you have to comply with or are strongly recommended. Most do not have "reasonable" explanations behind them, only the usual paranoia. I didn't have a problem asking customers for proof of subscription. If anyone has privacy concerns, we urge you to black out your account number and/or all your PPV porn purchases. Thanks.

-R


PS -No plans to support any of the newer STBs mentioned above at this time. Only C-band /HDD-200 is on our list.

"If anyone has privacy concerns, we urge you to black out your account number and/or all your PPV porn purchases. Thanks."


Glad to see Mr. R5000 has a sense of humor... too funny!!

That IS funny, but I'm not sure he was kidding. ;)

R5000, have you had any success in finding out if the Zenith DTV1080 STB is also a candidate for the upgrade?

Originally posted by HDTVFanAtic
I modify my unit and then sell it on eBay to someone else. He goes into HD Distribution. I don't see where I or they are at liable there and they won't have that new person's bill on record either.

Seems pretty meaningless if that is the reasoning.

Nextcom can't be liable for anything you do after you get your deck back. They might be liable for aiding and abetting a law breaker.

Mark

Originally posted by RockScaler
As long as we're guessing, how about they need the bill to know what channels you subsubscribe to? No sense checking out if HBO HD works if you don't subscribe to HBO. Just a thought.

Excuse me? The only reason I don't subscribe to HBOHD and SHOHD is because I can't timeshift them. I certainly expect them to work with the R5000 even though I don't currently subscribe to them. Of course, it's not a matter 'no sense checking'. They can't check them if you don't subscribe to them unless they have a 'gold' card to use.

Mark

Originally posted by mdv
Excuse me? The only reason I don't subscribe to HBOHD and SHOHD is because I can't timeshift them. I certainly expect them to work with the R5000 even though I don't currently subscribe to them. Of course, it's not a matter 'no sense checking'. They can't check them if you don't subscribe to them unless they have a 'gold' card to use.

Mark


We also request that all customers send their card with their box so we can do a recording test and make sure the install is working. We only need to be able to receive one HD station to do this. There is no tweeking of the hardware to record individual channels.

-R

Sounds like a great 6000 enhancement.

Any chance you can match the current 169time price break?

Regards, John

R -

Have you guys been able to mod a DTV1080 yet? I will send mine in if you can.

Clay

I *assume* the Dish 6010 and 6020 are able to be modified?

Originally posted by claycollier
R -

Have you guys been able to mod a DTV1080 yet? I will send mine in if you can.

Clay

Clay,
Have you had the problem with losing the channel list/rain fade with your STB? Mine's always had that annoying bug.

dcarl -

Sometimes my guide jumps back to ALL and I have to swith it back to CUSTOM. Is that what you are talking about?

Clay

No, when there's heavy rain to the southeast, I lose all of my channels above #68 or so.
I have to unplug (reboot) the box. Then I see the notice: "creating channel list".

I think this is a well-known bug and isn't fixable. You're lucky if you don't have it.

Well, I'm having a problem locating the drivers for the new USB device.

I don't see any extractable files by right clicking in the download.

Are the drivers already extracted and if so, where do they end up.

Originally posted by dcarl
Well, I'm having a problem locating the drivers for the new USB device.

I don't see any extractable files by right clicking in the download.

Are the drivers already extracted and if so, where do they end up.

oops! The self-installing exe isn't posted. We'll have that taken care of first thing tomorrow. Sorry about that. Didn't think anyone would receive their unit Monday at the earliest.

Has the NDA been lifted so that users can talk about their experience with the product in more detail?

Thanks,
Mark

Originally posted by R5000-HD
PS -No plans to support any of the newer STBs mentioned above at this time. Only C-band /HDD-200 is on our list. [/B]

This could end up being key if we end up with DIRECTV and DIsh running af DVD bit rates, which seems to be the trend... :(

Cheers!
DAve.

I'll try this again.....are Dish 6010 and 6020 essentially the same as 6000 units and able to be modified?

Originally posted by HDTVFanAtic
I'll try this again.....are Dish 6010 and 6020 essentially the same as 6000 units and able to be modified?

Don't really know for certain. I recons they would be the same. Do you happen to have one? If you want you can send it to us and we can look it over for you at no cost/ no ob. Thanks.

-R

Originally posted by MarkV
Has the NDA been lifted so that users can talk about their experience with the product in more detail?

Thanks,
Mark

Haven't decided yet, but we'll probably leave open the option to stay under NDA so they can test out future features and enhancements.

Just bear in mind that a lot of them have mental problems and you really can't trust what they say anyway. Unless, of course, they tell you that the R5000-HD is really great...What!


(just kidding, no one has any mental problems here...except for, well, you know)



-R

Originally posted by MarkV
Has the NDA been lifted so that users can talk about their experience with the product in more detail?

Thanks,
Mark

By dcarls post it seems he recieved his stb , hopefully we get the first end users reviews soon :)

R,

The system seems to work pretty well. Really like the virtual remote control- works through the USB cable - neat!

One oddity is the file playback using my Hipix player- the file (no matter how long the recording) seem to end at about half an hour, then playback restarts from the beginning, but playing the next segment of the file. And instant access to most parts of the file [using the slider] isn't working.

The new recordings are one big file, whereas the previous Hipix recordings are broken up into small parts: .0000.ts , .0001.ts , .0002.ts etc.

What settings, if any, do I need to change?

dcarl,

Is your hard disk formatted for FAT32 or NTFS? The largest file size for a FAT32 partitioned hard disk is 4GB, which would give you about 1/2 hour play time.

It's an NTFS drive, 120 gig external USB . (It has been working perfectly for the other Hipix recordings I have saved on that drive.)

Your problem is just an oddity of HiPix file playback when the files are large. Use smaller file segments, and you will be fine. You can re-segment an existing recording with NullPacketStripper. (but don't tell it to strip the null packets - the HiPix wants them)

I never knew of this oddity. You can also split large .ts files using the HDTVtoMPEG2 application.

Originally posted by dcarl
R,

The system seems to work pretty well. Really like the virtual remote control- works through the USB cable - neat!

One oddity is the file playback using my Hipix player- the file (no matter how long the recording) seem to end at about half an hour, then playback restarts from the beginning, but playing the next segment of the file. And instant access to most parts of the file [using the slider] isn't working.

The new recordings are one big file, whereas the previous Hipix recordings are broken up into small parts: .0000.ts , .0001.ts , .0002.ts etc.

What settings, if any, do I need to change?


Well, it looks like you already got some good advice on the subject, but here's what I can tell you wrt the R5000-HD. There are currently no settings that allow recording to multiple files, so there's nothing you are missing. It will record to one single, large file. I don't know too much about the HiPix card (I primarilly use MyHD), but it seems those more knowledgeable may have supplied the answer. Try breaking apart the file, you should find that the entire movie is there and playable via HiPix with multiple files.

-R

For a half an hour I've been struggling- R5000 program seemed completely broken, wouldn't record anything! I was going nuts- then I saw the DTC100 wasn't tuned to an HD station. DOH!

All better. :)

I think I may have an issue with my USB2 adapter, though.

Anyway, I guess trying another file player might be in order.

Thanks for your help so far.

I think you should start a new thread such as "The Official R5000-HD Technical Status Discussion" since the product is now going out to the end users. This thread has served it's purpose of informing us of what's coming and what it can do.

Just a suggestion.
Steve

Originally posted by xsrsmithx
I think you should start a new thread such as "The Official R5000-HD Technical Status Discussion" since the product is now going out to the end users. This thread has served it's purpose of informing us of what's coming and what it can do.

Just a suggestion.
Steve

Steve,
You got it:

Official R5000-HD Technical Status Discussion:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=449402

-R

Originally posted by HDTVFanAtic
I'll try this again.....are Dish 6010 and 6020 essentially the same as 6000 units and able to be modified?

As I recall, the 6020 was just a packaging number for the box.
It said that it was a box containing a 6000 receiver and a Dish 300.

What would the advantage be getting this mod done to my dish 6000 receiver as opposed to just buying a 921?

Also with the rumored new hd pvr coming out from dish, at possibly several hundred dollars less than the 921, isn't $999 a bit steep? Especially since you have to supply your own receiver to get modded?

The advantages of the R5000-HD are that you can record to your PC, and without copy protection.

Can one of the first consumers who purchased this run your D* and E* and BEV through TSreader on HBO/SHOW/HDNET and give the examples of Video Bitrate MBps and Multiplex Bitrate MBps?

Yes, BEV doesnt have those channels, but TMM or PPV would be nice to see.

Thanks

I'm starting to get a tad bit nervous.

I sent my recevier in a week a go to get the R5000-HD treatment (it was received at their office last Friday), and the check has been cashed, however there has been no response to several mails asking for status updates.

R5000-HD, if you are reading this can you send me an update?

UPDATE: Heard from Nextcom, hopefully shipping early next week. Sorry for the concern.

Thanks,
-james
james(at)millercentral.com

James,
This conversion seems to be working pretty well. There's another thread about this here that I've posted to.

Originally posted by jamesmil
I'm starting to get a tad bit nervous.

I sent my recevier in a week a go to get the R5000-HD treatment (it was received at their office last Friday), and the check has been cashed, however there has been no response to several mails asking for status updates.

R5000-HD, if you are reading this can you send me an update?

UPDATE: Heard from Nextcom, hopefully shipping early next week. Sorry for the concern.

Thanks,
-james
james(at)millercentral.com

Do not know why you are not getting replies to your email inquiries. When I have inquired, they have been pretty quick to respond. If it puts your mind at ease, my receiver arrived September 17 (for a September 20 schedule date) and my box was shipped out to me yesterday. Expect to receive next week.

Theater should be ready in about 30 days.

Planning on getting a new HTPC once Microsoft officially releases "Symphony" with native HD support. Figured this would be an excellent "add-on". Can anyone recommend what the best DirecTV STB would be for this add-on - most reliable?

Can anyone recommend a good source for one at a reasonable price?

Thanks

Note that until they release BDA drivers for the R5000-HD, it won't work natively with Symphony. For now it uses its own custom software. They have indicated they are working on DirectX-style drivers, but haven't said if they are specifically planning to support the BDA-style driver model WME needs.

I'm not sure if this was answered already or not, but I was curious whether there might be a discount if two were ordered? I have really gotten used to being able to record and watch two channels, and once the R5000 can interface to Sage, I'd like to keep this capability. Otherwise, I may be headed for the HDTVo.

Thanks!

Bill

I might be losing my mind, but I thought I saw somewhere in this thread that the C Band HDD200/201 boxes were being looked at for modification.

Is there any news regarding progress for this? I am in the process of buying a house and so will finally be able to get C-Band... but I defintiely want to get something that can record...

Any news appreciated...

Cheers!
DAve.

Originally posted by jamesmil
Note that until they release BDA drivers for the R5000-HD, it won't work natively with Symphony. For now it uses its own custom software. They have indicated they are working on DirectX-style drivers, but haven't said if they are specifically planning to support the BDA-style driver model WME needs.

I am not looking for the two to integrate, just merely co-exist on the same box. Since MCE 2005 is just WinXP underneath, I am assuming that this will not be an issue.

However, on to the other question, "What DirecTV receiver works best?" I will need to buy one to get it upgraded. What should I be looking for as the best opportunity?

Thanks

Originally posted by Phloyd
I might be losing my mind, but I thought I saw somewhere in this thread that the C Band HDD200/201 boxes were being looked at for modification.

Is there any news regarding progress for this? I am in the process of buying a house and so will finally be able to get C-Band... but I defintiely want to get something that can record...

Any news appreciated...

Cheers!
DAve.

Dave,
You may still be losing your mind, but not about that. We ARE planning to support the HD200. It is currently in the works we and hope to make an announcemet soon. Thanks.

-R

Originally posted by PeterS
However, on to the other question, "What DirecTV receiver works best?" I will need to buy one to get it upgraded. What should I be looking for as the best opportunity?

Thanks [/B]

There are basically 2 D* units: The RCA DTC100 (Proscan is a clone) and the Hughes E86 (& its clones). The E86 types are nice units in terms of being user-friendly, good performance and responsiveness. However they have reliability issues, mainly due to over-heating. The DTC100 is a first-generation HD box, so it is not as highly integrated and thus bigger, bulkier. It is a good performer, reliable and well built. If you do end up with an E86 type, make sure to keep it well ventilated or get a fan on it!

-R

Originally posted by R5000-HD
We ARE planning to support the HD200. It is currently in the works we and hope to make an announcemet soon.

Nice!

Originally posted by R5000-HD
Dave,
You may still be losing your mind, but not about that. We ARE planning to support the HD200. It is currently in the works we and hope to make an announcemet soon. Thanks.

-R

Excellent. I think the best answer may soon be clear! :)

Cheers!
DAve.

Any chance of getting this to work wiht a MAC?

Originally posted by speters
Any chance of getting this to work wiht a MAC?

Probably not. Due to the amount of work required to port the applications out and also to pretty much create a driver from scratch, it simply doesn't pay off. Thanks.

-R

Any chance of integration into the new Windows Media Center 2005? I mean it should only take a driver, right?

This would be an ideal team.

Thanks

I did a quick search for the DTC-210 and didn't see this asked/answered.

Will this STB be supported in the future? I currently have a DTC-100 which works great, but I'm hesitant on having the RD-5000 done to it if DirecTv doesn't update the firmware to look at the new satellites next year. That would be a waste for me as I'd rather spend the extra $300 or so on a DTC-210 which will see the birds.

Thanks

Originally posted by PeterS
Any chance of integration into the new Windows Media Center 2005? I mean it should only take a driver, right?

This would be an ideal team.

Thanks

I agree -- being able to integrate the R5000-HD mod with the MCE 2005 Guide and PVR interface would be truely excellent.

What is the technical reason that DirecTV non-HD streams can not be recorded?

What is different about D* streams

Thanks,
Mark

Originally posted by R5000-HD
To answer some questions...


We have made it pretty clear in the past, but it bears repeating: We do plan on making the R5000-HD offer a DirectShow interface. In that case it will show up as a tuner card in applications like SageTV that are DirectShow compatible. Based on the amount of feedback requesting this type of integration we are making this a near term goal.



-R

Curious how this is coming? Any ETA for the DirectShow interface?
Thanks.

Originally posted by ralphjb
Curious how this is coming? Any ETA for the DirectShow interface?
Thanks.

Its still in the works. No ETA yet. Thanks.

-R

"We ARE planning to support the HD200. It is currently in the works we and hope to make an announcemet soon. Thanks." - R5000-HD

Hey! Yeah, YOU! You wrote that on 10/5/04.
That's... that's...uh... over 600 hours ago. And I'm *still* not seeing this announcement you mentioned.
So? Huh?
Listen, MR. Asleep-at-the-switch there.: My wife wants me to tell you that I have vowed (since 10/5) that I will not change my underwear until I hear this announcement of yours.
My BUD, my HD-Ready CRT, and my HDD200 are behind me- 100%.
My wife...she's only *slightly* less supportive. There's still time: you can make that announcement Soon! Don't make me get ugly.
Don't make me send you these undershorts.

Will you modify a BEV 6100? Essentially a Dish 6000 with better menus and a DVI output?

What D* units are you modifying that will work once the new HDTV birds go up in 05?

Originally posted by HDTVFanAtic
What D* units are you modifying that will work once the new HDTV birds go up in 05?

I'd like to know the same thing.

Originally posted by taz291819
I'd like to know the same thing.

Yeah, me too! I just put in a call to D* but hung up after my wait time was est. at over 15 mins. I'm sure the CSRs wouldn't be of much help anyway. So, I submitted a fairly detailed e-mail. If anybody would also like to give it a try, their e-mail submission form is at: http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/glb/Form_Feedback.dsp (They'll reply back in 3-5 days -what service!)
If they get enough inquiries they'll have to address this at some point.
Also, if anyone has gotten through and managed to talk to somebody knowledgeable at D* (stop laughing!) please post here. Thanks.

-R

I have my tv, receiver, dvd playback, roku, etc in one room and adjacent to it (8 feet) I have my computer room. One idea is to place another receiver modified in my computer room and do all my scheduling and recording and then run a usb2 line to my Roku. If I allow for going through the ceiling, I may need 25 feet of cable. Am I on the right track

Forgive me my ignorance, but may I ask what a "roku" is? From your question, I gathered that it has a USB-2 input! Can you send HD video to it? My office is adjacent to my family room, and I am sendind a total of 30 feet of USB-2 cable from my HTPC (home-theatre PC) to Sound Blaster Audigy USB in the family room. I can play back Audio-DVD discs in the PC's DVD drive and have it decoded in 5.1 channels in the family room. I am talking about recordings made at 24 bits of resolution and 96 ksamples per second. But I think HD video data would be of much higher rates than even DVD-audio signals. For HD video, I use two 15-foot lengths of IEEE-1394 cable to my JVC D-VHS VCR. ITs internal MPEG decoder does a good job in my case.

Originally posted by MF70
Forgive me my ignorance, but may I ask what a "roku" is?




Roku HD1000 (http://www.rokulabs.com/products/hd1000/index.php)


Do a search, there's lots of info on the Roku here. I have one, although I haven't used it in months.

Roku is a digital media player that has a usb port. It has been suggested as having the ability to be used with the r5000 unit

Originally posted by R5000-HD
Yeah, me too!

-R

So What about the BEV 6100, the modified 6000 with a DVI output?

Hate to break it to anyone, but an ExpressVu 6100 is not a newer 6000. It is Bell's (buggy) version of the (buggy) Dish 811.

Given that this unit has HDCP copy protection (and R5000 has stated that they're not modding anything with copy protection), the likely answer is no.

The Roku has a USB 1.1 port, nothing you're going to use to playback video. You would use the ethernet connection for that. As of now I think the only thing you can do with the USB port is hook a 802.11b adapter to it.

If any of you have a Roku I would be interested in how the R5000 recordings play back using my application, TStream (which is no where near perfect, yet).

Originally posted by peterd
Hate to break it to anyone, but an ExpressVu 6100 is not a newer 6000. It is Bell's (buggy) version of the (buggy) Dish 811.

Given that this unit has HDCP copy protection (and R5000 has stated that they're not modding anything with copy protection), the likely answer is no.

Thanks Peter. Thats pretty much it.

-R

HookedOnTV-
So far, I am getting dropped frames on SD and HD ts. I wonder if Roku is working on a new box with Gigabit Ethernet?

Kevin

Originally posted by avkv
HookedOnTV-
So far, I am getting dropped frames on SD and HD ts. I wonder if Roku is working on a new box with Gigabit Ethernet?

Kevin

Gigabit wouldn't make a difference. 100Mb is plenty for a couple HD streams. I have my E* 6000 on its' way back so I will be able to work with those first hand. If you have a different box like a D* I could take a look at some samples and see what I can do.

Originally posted by HDTVFanAtic
What D* units are you modifying that will work once the new HDTV birds go up in 05? I wonder if Directv will do the same thing as dish did with there 5000+modulator system.

Originally posted by HookedOnTV
Gigabit wouldn't make a difference. 100Mb is plenty for a couple HD streams. I have my E* 6000 on its' way back so I will be able to work with those first hand. If you have a different box like a D* I could take a look at some samples and see what I can do.

Thank you. I'm using a 6000 too, although I also tried ts files from HiPix.

Originally posted by HDTVFanAtic
What D* units are you modifying that will work once the new HDTV birds go up in 05?

A response From D*:
Thanks for writing. At this point, I have no information available concerning possible future equipment requirements that was not contained in our news releases (<http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/aboutus/Headlines.dsp>.) Receivers that were available when DIRECTV first began providing service are commonly still in use, so it is likely that no equipment upgrades will be needed, but please continue to visit our web site at the above link for the latest information available.

IMHO, all the old STBs will continue to work as long as the modulation method stays the same, but you'll almost certaintly need an additional/different dish setup.

-R

If one is only interested in pointing to a single satellite to pick up programming I'm sure that will be possible with the older D* receivers (as long as the modulation scheme stays the same). Problems will crop up when the old receivers need to control the multi-switches required to see all the new orbital slots, but don't have updated firmware.

Originally posted by dahester
If one is only interested in pointing to a single satellite to pick up programming I'm sure that will be possible with the older D* receivers (as long as the modulation scheme stays the same). Problems will crop up when the old receivers need to control the multi-switches required to see all the new orbital slots, but don't have updated firmware.

Those satellite location updates will be downloaded by E* and D* to everyone with an HD box unless there is a new-gen box that obsoletes the DTC100 or 6000 era hardware- which I seriously doubt, unless MPEG4 or something else takes over for MPEG2 along with the establishment of new orbital locations.

Any and all contemplated changes other than orbital locations will cost the sat providers alot of money, especially D* who are still using MPEG1.5 /4PSK.

Any update on the status of the mod for the HDD-200?

Thanks
Kenny

Originally posted by R5000-HD
Its still in the works. No ETA yet. Thanks.

-R

Inquiring about the DirectShow plug-in. Any progress? There are some interested prospects over on the SageTV forum:

http://forums.sage.tv/forums/showthread.php?p=69257&posted=1#post69257

I saw a modified Hughes receiver for sale on eBay. I wonder why someone would be selling this product after only a few months? Does that person know something we don't?

I want to thank Nextcom for adopting the new paradigm of restarting the remuxer within the context of a single file write in R5000-HD v1.6.

Previous versions stopped and restarted writing one or more new files making it difficult to archive an entire no-repeated program. And, if watching in a time-shift manner using MyHD, or otherwise, you would have to stop and find and start the next file in sequence.

With v1.6 I can now review the log and remuxer log to determine which recordings best need to be re-recorded based on remuxer restarts and lost data (much easier/better than recording a D-VHS and auditing it for glitches in a linear real-time fashion).

Also, with v.16, I am now able to watch a live/time shift non-archive program like HBO’s “Carnivale” with MyHD, even if it has a glitch or two should a remuxer restart occur.

Originally posted by MF70
I saw a modified Hughes receiver for sale on eBay. I wonder why someone would be selling this product after only a few months? Does that person know something we don't?

It may be because DirecTV will change to MPEG4 for HDTV and the receiver will no longer be able to receive DirecTV HD programming when that happens. My best guess is that is about 2 years away but the timing is uncertain.

Chris

Originally posted by mkerdman
I want to thank Nextcom for adopting the new paradigm of restarting the remuxer within the context of a single file write in R5000-HD v1.6. I agree, and thank Nextcom, too. The robustness of the application works particularly well on E*, which seems to send out more than its share of corrupt data.

Originally posted by MF70
I saw a modified Hughes receiver for sale on eBay. I wonder why someone would be selling this product after only a few months? Does that person know something we don't?

There have several threads discussing the decreased resolution of much of the current DirecTV HD programming. I personally wouldn't want to invest a lot of time or money archiving HD lite. I'm not sure how their content compares, but a Nextcom modified receiver and Expressvu subscription might be the best option.

Originally posted by RTK
There have several threads discussing the decreased resolution of much of the current DirecTV HD programming. I personally wouldn't want to invest a lot of time or money archiving HD lite. I'm not sure how their content compares, but a Nextcom modified receiver and Expressvu subscription might be the best option.

Probably so, but Expressvu is not available to us in the Province of California! Besides that, what HD channels are available on that Canadian service? I had Star Choice until June of 2003, and that service had only the US networks plus a few movies once in a while. And Star Choice uses the Motorola HD-200 decoder, for which a mod is already available from Nextcom.

Originally posted by MF70
Probably so, but Expressvu is not available to us in the Province of California! Besides that, what HD channels are available on that Canadian service?

There are many people who pay for their subscription thru a broker, including individuals from the Province of California. I don't have any first hand experience but you might check out the HDTV programming forum. As far as HD channels, the ExpressVu website (http://www.bell.ca/shop/application/commercewf?origin=noorigin.jsp&event=link(goto)&content=/jsp/content/personal/catalog/television/hdtv/index.jsp&REF=HDTV) claims to have up to 25 channels

I have reformated my hard drive and reinstalled windows xp with service pack 2. Now I can't get it to detect the R5000 feom the USB port. Alll I get is HDTV Device instead of the old R5000 in my device directory. Did anyone have this problem and how do I solve it??? Without reinstalling windows

I also have had the 'R5000' device change to 'HDTV' Device. In my case, I believe it happened sometime after my adding a combo 3.5" floppy/USB card reader which connects to internal USB headers on the motherboard. Unfortunately, I put the HTPC back in the AV rack without testing the R5000HD and I haven't had the time/inclination to pull the beast out of the rack to debug.

I was running service pack 2 before this with no problems. The USB card reader works fine, but the R5000HD is not seen by the application.

Did you have the R5000HD plugged in while installing XP? If so, that may be your problem. Some USB devices need to have the driver installed before plugging them in or really bad things can happen. I once ended up having to reformat a machine after I plugged in an Intel USB video camera (I didn't see the warning printed on the sheet of paper that fell from the packaging as I opened it).

I am also wondering if recent security updates of XP may have caused my problem.


Mark

Version 1.7 beta of the of the R5000-HD DVR is now available for download. It is required for C-band receiver support and also fixes some problems reported on certain Bell channels (820,821,822). If problems persists while playing back using MyHD, it is recommended that you upgrade the MyHD driver to v1.63.4.

The PVR ver. 1.3 is also available as a beta. It is required to use the zap2it guide with 4DTV. Also adds the following:

Tuner selection for multi-device setups.
Unique path can be specified for each recording.
Resizable dialog and zap2it browser can be integrated in the PVR window.
"Add to playlist" option (for MyHD).
Maximum number of PVR entries increased to 255.

-R

Version 1.7 Beta

Nice additions to the PVR software.

I'll ask my periodic question - any prospect for the DirectX plug-in so can interface with programs like SageTV.
Thanks.

Originally posted by Andrew Lam
All I get is HDTV Device instead of the old R5000 in my device directory. Did anyone have this problem and how do I solve it???

I recently had this problem. The solution (in my case):

Make sure that the receiver is outputting data over the USB connection!

ie. The receiver is tuned to an HD channel and is transmitting a picture.

I had my receiver disconnected from the dish. I figured that the communication protocol over the USB would still be functioning correctly even though no channel was tuned. I was getting the same "USB HDTV Device" message, and I could not install the driver.

When I connected the coax from the dish, I could install the Nextcom driver.

If you are having the 'USB HDTV Device' problem, you may want to read this. (http://groups-beta.google.com/group/microsoft.public.development.device.drivers/browse_thread/thread/a10f3e61437757af/c2286ea7aaeb006e?q=usb+hdtv+device+microsoft&_done=%2Fgroups%3Fq%3Dusb+hdtv+device+microsoft%26&_doneTitle=Back+to+Search&&d#c2286ea7aaeb006e)

Originally posted by GaryHDTV
If you are having the 'USB HDTV Device' problem, you may want to read this. (http://groups-beta.google.com/group/microsoft.public.development.device.drivers/browse_thread/thread/a10f3e61437757af/c2286ea7aaeb006e?q=usb+hdtv+device+microsoft&_done=%2Fgroups%3Fq%3Dusb+hdtv+device+microsoft%26&_doneTitle=Back+to+Search&&d#c2286ea7aaeb006e)


Gary,
Thanks for the link. It solved my problem. Here's what I did:

[list=1]
Unplug network connection (e.g Ethernet cable)
Go to the Device manager and remove the "USB HDTV" device
search for *.inf in the Windows directory for a file that contains "USBHDTV" (mine was oem20.inf)
remove the file found above (oem20.inf in my case)
remove usbhdtv.sys from C:\windows\system32\drivers
From the control panel, select "add hardware"
The hardware wizard will find the nexcom generic usb device
Choose "install from a specific location"
Choose "don't search, I will choose the driver to install"
Choose "Have disk" and browse to the R5000-hd\drivers directory.
[/list=1]

After the above steps you'll get the usual "nextcom" driver stuff to complete the driver install.

Load the R5000 DVR app and it will start the installation of the second driver:

[list=1]
The hardware wizard will find the "nexcom HDTV DVR device"
Choose "install from a specific location"
Choose "don't search, I will choose the driver to install"
Choose "Have disk" and browse to the R5000-hd\drivers directory.
[/list=1]

The DVR app will time out and fail while you are installing the second driver. Just restart the DVR app and everything should be fine from there. YMMV

Techtom

I had just gotten home to try it and I also got it to work. The steps are EXACTLY as you listed. It looks like a conflict between the INF files for the Sasem OnAir USB HDTV box and the R5000-HD. I'm glad there is a solution, I've been running a 60 ft cable between my 920 and HDD200 so the HDD200 could connect to another computer USB that worked.

Cheers, Gary

Anyone who's connected their HTPC-HDPVR setup to DVHS successfully, please PM me or email me directly at hifipj at conentric.net. Thanks!

Pat M.
former HTPC Guru, SGHT

A question for you HDD200 users... what kind of bitrate do the movie channels put out on cband?

Showtime is VBR around 9-14Mb/s.

Guys, I need some help. I JUST got my R5000, the E86. Is there any way to watch what is going on from the USB input other than to RECORD everything? I don't have the MyHD card yet (it's on order and will HOPEFULLY be here tomorrow), so I'm stuck using VLC...but VLC won't open the stream directly from the USB port. VLC sees my ATI all in wonder and HDTV wonder as stream cards, and will capture the stream from either of them. However, it doesn't see the E86.
Recording works great, when I hit the record button on the R5000 control panel (inside windows), the quality is amazing, it's everything I hoped it would be. It kinda sucks not being able to watch "live" tv though. Maybe this will change when I get the MyHD card...HOPEFULLY!
So does anyone else use VLC (or any other app) for watching the stream coming in over the USB port WITHOUT hitting the record button?

Thanks in advance for your help.
-baron

Baron, You WILL be able to watch 'Live' once you get a MyHD card.

That's awesome. This is going to really work out. I was a bit apprehensive and somewhat skeptical about this system, I have never captured video over USB before, only firewire. The picture quality is absolutely PERFECT. Now being able to watch it live without recording everything will make this worth every penny.
Do you know if there's a tutorial on how to set up the MyHD w/the R5000? Or will the MyHD "just work" and pick up the video stream automatically?

You will still have to start a recording with the R5000, you just will be able to begin playback immediately with the MyHD in file mode. The R5000 event will automatically insert into the MyHD file playlist. This way you have time-slip capability.

I have been reluctant to use the time-slip capability of the R5000 with the MyHD card, due to concerns that multi-tasking in this manner might cause glitches in the recording. Is my concern misplaced?

Hmm, what I meant is:
Will I be able to watch hdtv WITHOUT actually saving anything to my hard drive? Or must I always record (and fill up my hard drive) to see what is playing on tv?

AFAIK, there is no way to monitor your R5000 live without recording to the hard drive first. I would prefer to monitor the recording anyway, because that's how I would know for sure that the recording was successful.

yeah, I guess in some ways, it's good to have to watch it, but it would be nice to have a choice to do it either way. You can't actually use it AS a TV.
I'm thoroughly impressed with it either way though. :)

I tried last week and again last night to record some standard definition material from my Dish 6000, the SciFi channel. Although the video looks OK, there is no sound (playback through MyHD). All the high def recordings play back fine. Anyone else encounter this problem?

Joe Clark

R5000 will be arriving next week along with a Myhd120 for playback on the pc that is doing the recording. Looking forward to using it.
Can I install a second PC with a MyHD and watch files on it as well? If so can both PC's watch the same files at the same time? Can't wait to record HD off of the Big Dish HD. The HD from it is truly stunning, and now I can record all those movies that I miss...It will be fun...

Joseph, it says on the R5000 website that SD recording isn't supported (which I presume means it's not possible for one reason or another). I suspect it has something to do with the difference in bitrates. I'm not sure though, writing R5000-HD would be the best way to find out.

dj7675, I got my recording device on Friday (yesterday morning). I've filled up 50gb already! The quality of the files is AMAZING! They're PERFECT qualities of the originals. I LOVE THIS THING!! :)
I presume what you are asking is possible as long as the other computer has some way to import the video (however, that may be only possible with SD video, I don't know of any card that would allow you to import the HD signal in the other PC).

Thanks for the reply and it is nice to hear regarding the quality of the recordings...
Actually by questions is can another computer play the recorded HD files over a 100M network with a second PC with a MyHD Card? Thinking about adding another PC with a MyHD card so I can watch the recorded files on a second location. Hope that makes sense.

Darin

"Can I install a second PC with a MyHD and watch files on it as well? If so can both PC's watch the same files at the same time?"

WOW!!! It does work! I've never tried this before until you posted the question.

I started playback of a recording on one PC from its hard drive and 20 seconds later started playback of the same file over LAN on another PC with MyHD card. I did know that MyHD supports file sharing, but didn't know it would share the same file for playback.

The video streams out at about 19.3 Mbps (give or take a bit), there are apps out there that will allow you to stream video across a connection such as an ethernet connection. 10/100 might be a problem if you intend to do anything else while you're streaming/watching. I am sure it can be done though. VLC should do it, there are loads of tutorials out there about how to stream w/VLC. I have mine hooked up to my LCD HDTV (using a computer as the receiver for all of my HDTV).
You'll be happy w/the system, I'm sure of that.

[edit] well, I guess you don't even need VLC! hehe

Thanks a lot Cliff, now I'll end up buying another computer tomorrow so I can watch the video in the other room. hehe

Originally posted by Cliff Watson
"Can I install a second PC with a MyHD and watch files on it as well? If so can both PC's watch the same files at the same time?"

WOW!!! It does work! I've never tried this before until you posted the question.

I started playback of a recording on one PC from its hard drive and 20 seconds later started playback of the same file over LAN on another PC with MyHD card. I did know that MyHD supports file sharing, but didn't know it would share the same file for playback.

I am disapointed in you - It took you this long to figure that out? :)

Originally posted by Joseph Clark
I tried last week and again last night to record some standard definition material from my Dish 6000, the SciFi channel. Although the video looks OK, there is no sound (playback through MyHD). All the high def recordings play back fine. Anyone else encounter this problem?My guess is that you're getting no audio, because the SD channels that you are recording are using Mpeg audio, not Dolby Digital, as the audio format. If you check the MyHD audio options for "Cable Out" and "Wave," and then play the analog audio out of your sound card, you might be able to hear the audio. That's what worked for me when I wanted to hear the audio on some SONY HD camcorder clips that used Mpeg audio. If you try it, please post your results.

Originally posted by Joe Q
I am disapointed in you - It took you this long to figure that out? :)

I never had a reason to check it before.

Ya know, this R5000-HD would be the best thing since corn in a can if it would just let me watch the shows LIVE, instead of having to start the shows AFTER I start recording and play them back from the hard drive. It's already GREAT, it does everything it's supposed to, and does it REALLY WELL. If there was a way to fix that ONE thing though, I'd buy several more to put in other rooms...that would make it worth two or three times what it's worth to me now.

Originally posted by dj7675
Thanks for the reply and it is nice to hear regarding the quality of the recordings...
Actually by questions is can another computer play the recorded HD files over a 100M network with a second PC with a MyHD Card? Thinking about adding another PC with a MyHD card so I can watch the recorded files on a second location. Hope that makes sense.

Darin

You also could get a Roku HD1000 and do the same thing, no computer needed.

Originally posted by baron_iv
....If there was a way to fix that ONE thing though, I'd buy several more to put in other rooms...that would make it worth two or three times what it's worth to me now.

Directshow Source Filter
TSReader Input Source
:)

The video outputs don't work on the receiver (they're not supposed to), well, the component out doesn't, svideo does, but svideo doesn't do HD.
I have an extra receiver that I use to watch TV (plus my HDTV Wonder card for locals), so I can't complain. It would just be easier if I could watch the stuff being streamed to my computer LIVE.
I'm just picky. hehe

Originally posted by vfrjim
You also could get a Roku HD1000 and do the same thing, no computer needed.

Funny you mention that. I bought one in anticipation of using it to do just that. After doing some reading, it seamed that there were some playback issues, in particular audio issues with playback. Do you use the Roku HD1000 for playback of the recorded files? If so how well does it work for you. I would really like to use it if I can get it to work well..

I have my PC connected to my LCD HDTV via DVI. It's absolutely perfect for playing back my recorded files. I don't have to worry about any transfers or network issues. If at all possible, that's probably the best way for you to do it. I have considered buying a device to playback the video on other TVs inside my house, but it's so much easier to use file sharing at this point via samba or afp.
If there ever becomes a glitch-free way to watch videos over a network that is more reliable than samba or afp, then I'll be one of the first lined up to buy it. I just don't see it happening for a while. The Roku devices sound great, but I just don't think that they are quite up to par YET. Maybe somebody will get it figured out soon. I hope.
Until then, sticking with tried and true methods would be the best idea.

Originally posted by dj7675
Funny you mention that. I bought one in anticipation of using it to do just that. After doing some reading, it seamed that there were some playback issues, in particular audio issues with playback. Do you use the Roku HD1000 for playback of the recorded files? If so how well does it work for you. I would really like to use it if I can get it to work well..

The Roku works fine for playing back recorded files, I did not have any issues with regarding that. The only issues were relating to some high-bit recordings which unless you have a C-band BUD system, you should not have this issue.

Jim

Jim, is there a lot of HD on C-Band? I'm sitting here looking for something to watch on DirecTV HD and there's absolutely NOTHING that interests me. Maybe dubya should start levying those fines for broadcasters who continue to broadcast in HD right NOW! hehe

Originally posted by vfrjim
The Roku works fine for playing back recorded files, I did not have any issues with regarding that. The only issues were relating to some high-bit recordings which unless you have a C-band BUD system, you should not have this issue.

Jim

That is good news regarding the Roku.
I remember you had replied in another thread regarding the playback of the Roku. If I remember correctly, you upgraded to 2.0.10? What player do you find works best on the Roku? Also, what are you using for storage for your HD? I need to figure out the best solution for storage...

baron_iv

I too have C-Band (4DTV Receiver + HD200). As far as subscription channels there are:
HBO E/W
Show W
Starz E/W
Encord E/W
Discovery
PBS

I can't say enough about the quality. IMHO it is the best qualilty you can receive of these channels. As a side note, I also have a Starchoice system that I get Network E/W feeds from. What is great is that the same Modded HD200/201 decoder can be used for starchoice as well as CBand.

Originally posted by baron_iv
The video outputs don't work on the receiver (they're not supposed to), well, the component out doesn't, svideo does, but svideo doesn't do HD.
I have an extra receiver that I use to watch TV (plus my HDTV Wonder card for locals), so I can't complain. It would just be easier if I could watch the stuff being streamed to my computer LIVE.
I'm just picky. hehe

What type of receiver do you have? I have an ExpressVu 6000 and the component video outputs HD while the R5000 records.

I use the "patched" version of CinemaSix. Currently I am using a media server that I built, it is a older PC with a 1 gig duron chip and a Gigabyte Network card with 256m ram and 4 250 gig harddrives. Thinking about starchoice in the future but right now, gonna try using the HDD200 with my Motorola 2224 Digital Cable box so I can get NESN HD and the ability to record.

Jim

Is there any way to schedule a reoccuring timer on the R5000-HD? I have gotten attached to seeing Eva Longoria on Sunday nights during Desperate Housweives...if you don't know who that is, turn your TV on ABC tonight...you'll be addicted too.
It would be great to capture that every sunday at 8pm sharp without having to set a timer each week. Is this possible?

[edit] nevermind, I am a waterhead. All I have to do is schedule the programmer on the STB. My brain doesn't function on sundays.

Alrighty, I'm gonna see if anyone can answer before I figure this one out on my own. ;)

How in the world do you watch something simultaneously using the MyHD and the R5000-HD? Is it done with a playlist or do I have to manually (ewww) find the .ts file that the R5000 is capturing at the moment? There's not a setting on the MyHD card in the config settings to start watching anything at a particular time, at least not if you don't know the filename.
There is probably a very easy solution to this, I'm just thinking waaaay too hard to figure it out. That was the case LAST night.
However, if someone could enlighten me, I'd be really appreciative.
Thanks
-b

There is an option in the R5000-HD DVR software to automatically add a recorded program to the MyHD file playlist. You can also use a single preset filename when recording which will be overwritten when each new recording is started (Time-Slip mode). This common filename can also be setup in the MyHD playlist for easy playback.

It seems that there are quite a few MyHD/R5000 users. Just received both yesterday. In 20 Minutes I was up and recording/playing files. Amazing at how easy the install and operation is.
I have a questions regarding the MyHD Playlist I am hoping that there is an answer to. I have selected for the recording to ad to the myhd playlist and they do just that which is great. However, I have to to load that playlist file after each time there are new recordings. Is there a way to do thIs automatically with MyHD software?
What I am hoping to accomplish is to be able to do this all with the remote in HD Mode. Trying to make it as user friendly as possible....

Thanks

Darin

Darin, it's stored in the registry and you have to modify when MyHD is not running.

I would like to try to modify it when I get home..a couple of quesitons...

1-Sorry for the stupid question in advance...are you referring to the windows registry, or?
2-What exaction needs to be modified?

Thanks...

Darin

I have a RPTV (Toshiba 1999 65inch and I want to connect the computer to play back what I record. I have been reluctant to hook up the unit because I have been told that I must use power strip to transfer the recording using MYHD to my TV. I am concerned that Nextcom does not seem interested in giving me information to play back the recording properly. I have 169time and I now have it working flawlessly and I have no problem playing it back using the tape recorder. Can anyone show me the way to use the Nextcom mod?

What type of input does the RPJ TV have and what types of video will it sync to, if RGB or YUV? Power strip is only an issue if you want to put the computer video on the TV. The MYHD card will not put out NTSC video, if that is required by your tv. If you have a JVC DVHS recorder, you can use it to decode the MPEG TS stream and sent it to your TV in any format your TV needs. You need an XP operating system, a 1394 pci card and DVHStools. If your computer is fast enough to do the decoding, many video cards have an NTSC output, which can connect to your TV if it can't take RGB. John

I have the following equipment. Computer with XP Professional,3000+ ADM, 9800 Radeon XT, MYHD 120 2 hard drives 80 and 250 DVD player, burner ,two firewire ports, 2 usb2 ports, and ethernet port. Roku Media player, JVC 30000. TV does not have RGB It has YBR. Two receivers one modified by 169time and one by Nextcom. After a great of difficulties I now have the 169 time unit working fine and do not have any replay issues. Both my receivers are Toshiba 3000, and I have over 12 HD channels counting the east west network feeds. The Toshiba 65 "has an s-video and two component inputs. Thanks for your help David

Anyone using the helper app to schedule recordings. I have just started using it and it is working well. The only problem I am having is it won't let me edit the channels so I only see the HD Channels. Is anyone else able to edit the zap2it channels? I have tried both IE and Netscape. It returns the following error in netscape and IE just goes to a blank page..Anyone else have this problem?

"ADODB.Recordset error '800a0bb9'
Arguments are of the wrong type, are out of acceptable range, or are in conflict with one another.
/iEPG/edit_stations.asp, line 445"

Flabingo,
You have enough hardware to playback the files any of several ways. If you can see the MYHD video on your TV then its software should let you play back the file. Others have used the Roku for file playback, but I have not tried it. I have a dongle on my ATI video card that converts the signal to component and it works fairly well at showing the computer display or video on the TV. I think the easiest way for you is to connect the computer to the JVC 30000 via the 1394 interface, then use DVHStools to send the file to the VCR which will decode it and show it on its output just as if you were playing a tape. If you select do not control the transport, nothing will be recorded, but you do need to have a tape in the transport to get the whole process to work. This is sort of like using the tuner in the VCR to select the channel seen on the VCR's output. John

John, Thank for your response. I have the dongle from ATI and I hooked it up from my dvi port of my compputer to my TV and observed a black screen.I also have my jvc 30000 hooked to my 169time and it works fine after a year of problems. I now want to either use my myhd card or the Roku which would be apart from my 169 setup. I purchased my 120 MYHD card, cables, Audio Authority transconder from Digital connections(Steve) and he insists that I have to use power strip to transfer from the computer port to my TV, but when I ask who can figure it out, he suggests I read a document. I have cables that go direct from the VGA port to my component inputs of my RPTV and I also have a cable that goes through the Transcoder whcich causes my TV to have overscan using my ethernet connection for the internet. It seemed that the connection affected my TV viewing on my other input but I have been assured by people more knowledgeable than me that it is not likely. But before I go any further I need a roadmap. When I asked nextcom they suggested that power strip is a line conditioner. Any help would be appreciated David

Originally posted by flabingo
John, Thank for your response. I have the dongle from ATI and I hooked it up from my dvi port of my compputer to my TV and observed a black screen...[del] ...But before I go any further I need a roadmap. When I asked nextcom they suggested that power strip is a line conditioner. Any help would be appreciated David

"At 09:52 PM 2/18/2005 -0500, flabingo wrote (via email):
Power strip is a software that is designed to deal with overscan from a computer vga to component input. I can not get a acceptable picture from my computer to my RPTV. I have all the cables and the transcoder but no one seems to tell me the settings with any confidence. I can not play a DVD from my computer to my TV, and I have a very fast computer 3000+ ADM and Radeon 9800XT. I am surprised that you are not familiar with power strip"


Dave,

We don't use VGA cards for playback of HDTV files to an RPTV, so we've never needed power strip. MyHD's analog output is far superior to most PC VGA cards. Because PC based VGA cards have chroma delay problems.

"I have been told by Digital connections that I must use my transcoder(Audio Authority) with Power strip in order to play back any recording. I have tried Power Strip and have not found anyone that can tell me how to set it up"

You only use power strip with the Radeon card NOT with MyHD. Also you don't need to use the "Transcoder" with the MyHD card.

Getting your Radeon card to work with your RPTV can be very tricky because the RPTV doesn't like PC VGA scan rates. So unless you get the power strip setting exactly right, you won't see anything on your RPTV. It's very difficult for the novice to do, and every TV is different.

The easiest way to play HDTV files is to use your MyHD card to drive your RPTV. Connect your Radeon card to a VGA monitor. Connect the MyHD output to your RPTV using a VGA to component cable such as this: http://www.cablewholesale.com/specs/10h1-50106.htm

Start up MyHD and select the config panel (the arrow on the far lower right, and then the little wrench). Select the "AV Setup tab" . Set the resolution to "1920x1080I", set the display type to "YPrPb", set the screen ratio to "16:9 Display", set the screen format to "Full". You might need to un-check "auto" first.

Now select the "VGA setup" tab. Click on and check "(x) Use separate displays". Click on and un-check "( ) Enable DVI Output"

Click on "Apply" then click "OK". you should now be out of the config menu.

To play a file click the "IN" button on the main panel. Click on "file". Next, click on the "eject" button on the lower left corner, and browse to the file you want to play.

-R

I don't see any diffrence between 169time and Nextcom R5000-HD except it's cheaper with AVX-1 (169time) with do it your self $399 and uses a similar box AVX-1 instead of Nextcom R5000-HD and I see using firewire for recording is more faster than USB, So the result : 169time is cheaper and better.

David,
If the MYHD card connected to your TV works go with it. Their professional software is probably the easiest to use. The unanswered question is what video scan rates your TV will sync to. Most new ones do 1080i and 480p through the component inputs. If yours does those the MYHD card should work well. Regular TV is 420i. If your TV only uses that rate I think a different approach will be needed.

To the above post. USB2 is faster than 1394; both are faster than needed. As to which recording system is better, The 169time will put the show on tape more easily and the R5000 goes more naturally to a disk file. Although either can store the show either way with a little setup work.
My opinion is that the R5000 still makes files with a lower error rate.
John

Originally posted by latreche34
I don't see any diffrence between 169time and Nextcom R5000-HD except it's cheaper with AVX-1 (169time) with do it your self $399 and uses a similar box AVX-1 instead of Nextcom R5000-HD and I see using firewire for recording is more faster than USB, So the result : 169time is cheaper and better.

While I am sure that both systems meet different people's needs, I can say for me that the R5000 is a better option. Only the receiver is modded, it records directly to PC instead of tape, and the recordings are are perfect. For me making perfect recordings directly to the PC is a much better option than tape, especially with the continuing price drop of hard drives. No AVX1 type device in the loop at all. But each to his own....

Originally posted by dj7675
While I am sure that both systems meet different people's needs, I can say for me that the R5000 is a better option. Only the receiver is modded, it records directly to PC instead of tape, and the recordings are are perfect. For me making perfect recordings directly to the PC is a much better option than tape, especially with the continuing price drop of hard drives. No AVX1 type device in the loop at all. But each to his own....

Well, The AVX-1 too record directly to the hard drive as well as R5000 and both require a software to do it, Except if you are using DVHS deck with AVX-1 you don't need any software for recording.

I just went and took a look at recording to hard drive with 169time. It does not appear to be simple as just clicking recording, or scheduling a recordig with the PVR app on the R5000. Not saying it isn't possible, but nothing like recording to a hard drive like the R5000. From 169time...

"Deploying a system that combines a user built AVX1 with a second PC for hard drive recording and playback is a complex task with potential pitfalls. It is strongly suggested that a JVC DVHS deck be available for debug, debug playback, and other testing. "

I still believe that those that want direct recording to tape should go with the 169time unit and those that want to record to pc/drive would probably be happier with the R5000. Their are definately happy campers in both groups.

Guys, I'm having a bit of a problem. I bought a new mobo (abit nf8) for my peecee (I'm using the same hard drives, same cpu, faster RAM), the problem is that a capture works fine for a few seconds, then it just STOPS...the little performance meter goes from excellent to PUSHING IT and then the capture fails. I don't have any problems transferring files onto the drives from other drives. This happens no matter which drive I try to capture to. I tried turning off ide prefetching in the BIOS, that didn't help. I tried every USB port (all are 2.0 ports) on the box...all 6, and they all do the same thing. I just CANNOT figure out what the problem is. I even tried reinstalling both the R5000 and the mobo drivers, NOTHING helps. Anyone got any ideas? I'm using the same OS from the same drive I was using in my old peecee, everything else works perfectly...everything except the R5000. I don't think it's a problem w/the R5000 because it was also working fine before I switched motherboards.
Thanks in advance for your help.

-baron

To : dj7675T
For this you got me, But the only inconvinient for R5000-HD is the single output file. you have no choice to split files from the same recording to fit them in DVD-R's, I will go by Nextcom if they update their system to include this option, I'm not saying that 169time has it, I'm just having some time to make a decision.

I did a lot of research on both systems and ended up buying the R5000. I have both a PC and a mac, so TECHNICALLY, firewire would have been much easier for me, as well as more convenient...however, that AVX1 is an additional piece of hardware. In my opinion, that's just something else to break or cause additional problems. I like things simple, the R5000 is just that...simple. It's simple and it WORKS. 'Nuff said.

Originally posted by latreche34
To : dj7675T
For this you got me, But the only inconvinient for R5000-HD is the single output file. you have no choice to split files from the same recording to fit them in DVD-R's, I will go by Nextcom if they update their system to include this option, I'm not saying that 169time has it, I'm just having some time to make a decision.

You might email Nextcom directly about that option. It might not be too difficult for them to implement. I am no expert, but I have seen several posts on tools to split the TS files. I think it was HDTV2Mpeg? Someone else I am sure will chime in if that isn't correct or for all of the options. I only have great things to say about Nextcom. They got my unit turned around to me in a day, have answered numerous questions without delay, and have provided a product that really works well. Best purchase I have made in a long time...

Yeah, HDTV2MPEG will take the .ts files made by the R5000 and spit them out in any size that you want. It's also a very fast application.

Originally posted by baron_iv
Guys, I'm having a bit of a problem. I bought a new mobo (abit nf8) for my peecee (I'm using the same hard drives, same cpu, faster RAM), the problem is that a capture works fine for a few seconds, then it just STOPS...the little performance meter goes from excellent to PUSHING IT and then the capture fails. I don't have any problems transferring files onto the drives from other drives. This happens no matter which drive I try to capture to. I tried turning off ide prefetching in the BIOS, that didn't help. I tried every USB port (all are 2.0 ports) on the box...all 6, and they all do the same thing. I just CANNOT figure out what the problem is. I even tried reinstalling both the R5000 and the mobo drivers, NOTHING helps. Anyone got any ideas? I'm using the same OS from the same drive I was using in my old peecee, everything else works perfectly...everything except the R5000. I don't think it's a problem w/the R5000 because it was also working fine before I switched motherboards.
Thanks in advance for your help.

-baron


No expert here, but I remember reading about a few USB problems with certain manufacturer's...can't recall which ones. If you have a USB 2.0 card around I would definately start there. Or troubleshoot it with Nextcom. They are very helpful.

I have installed the R5000 software on a number of PC's with different motherboards and with different USB 2.0 cards. I have found the best reliability to be with USB 2.0 cards using an NEC or ALi chipset. On-board USB 2.0 ports and USB 2.0 cards with VIA chipsets have been problematic for me. YMMV.

Originally posted by baron_iv
Guys, I'm having a bit of a problem. I bought a new mobo (abit nf8) for my peecee (I'm using the same hard drives, same cpu, faster RAM), the problem is that a capture works fine for a few seconds, then it just STOPS...the little performance meter goes from excellent to PUSHING IT and then the capture fails. I don't have any problems transferring files onto the drives from other drives. This happens no matter which drive I try to capture to. I tried turning off ide prefetching in the BIOS, that didn't help. I tried every USB port (all are 2.0 ports) on the box...all 6, and they all do the same thing. I just CANNOT figure out what the problem is. I even tried reinstalling both the R5000 and the mobo drivers, NOTHING helps. Anyone got any ideas? I'm using the same OS from the same drive I was using in my old peecee, everything else works perfectly...everything except the R5000. I don't think it's a problem w/the R5000 because it was also working fine before I switched motherboards.
Thanks in advance for your help.

-baron

Baron,
Your USB ports are in 1.0 mode. There is a bug that causes WindowsXP to use the wrong driver with VIA chipsets so the 2.0 mode never gets enabled. I believe the only way to solve the problem is to buy a $12 PCI USB card based on the NEC chip set, Sorry.

Check out the following two posts:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=4976973#post4976973

and

http://forums.viaarena.com/messageview.cfm?catid=16&threadid=61166&enterthread=y


-Techtom

Originally posted by latreche34
To : dj7675T
For this you got me, But the only inconvenient for R5000-HD is the single output file. you have no choice to split files from the same recording to fit them in DVD-R's, I will go by Nextcom if they update their system to include this option, I'm not saying that 169time has it, I'm just having some time to make a decision.


For me it's not an issue. I usually start the recordings early and then run them a little long. It's especially useful with HDnet Movies, as the start/stop times are usually wrong (sometimes the movie too). After the recording is finished, I use HDTV2Mpeg2 to edit out the stuff I don't want and split it into 1490MB files(3 per dvd).

Heres a link to latest version(s) of HDTVtoMPEG2

http://www.eecs.umich.edu/~balazer/HDTVtoMPEG2/index.html


Where the R5000-HD wins big is in scheduling multiple unattended events. There are times when I'm gone for more than a week, so I just buy a 250GB hard drive for $70 (after rebate) and I can easily record +10 movies while I'm gone. If I use compressed mode, then it's more like +20 movies.

TW

I personally would like to see the file split option in the R5000 recording app itself. Not all my drives are NTFS and the feature would come in handy when using other third party software.

I have been told by Nextcom that they currently do not plan on enabling this feature, which I find disappointing since the program setup screen teases you with it. Maybe the non-functional parts should be removed from the program and the descriptions in the on-line user manual should be removed.

Gary

Originally posted by thurstonw
Where the R5000-HD wins big is in scheduling multiple unattended events. There are times when I'm gone for more than a week, so I just buy a 250GB hard drive for $70 (after rebate) and I can easily record +10 movies while I'm gone. If I use compressed mode, then it's more like +20 movies.

TW

Is anybody sucessfully recording AND playing back R5000-HD files from compressed NTFS external USB drives- i.e. +/- doubling their storage per GB?

Seperately, is anybody playing back R5000-HD files from compressed NTFS external USB drives across an ethernet 100MB network?

Thanks for the help guys. I went and bought a new USB2 card. I managed to get it working, but ONLY in the 23.xxx mb/s mode. When I use the "constant" 19.xxx mb/s mode, it errors out after a few seconds. This is EXTREMELY weird, a HIGHER bandwidth stream works, but the lower bandwidth stream DOESN'T. If usb wasn't working correctly, that doesn't seem like a likely solution.
Very Very strange.

I do know that MyHD plays the 23.xxx mb/s files, so is there any problem in using that setting (other than it eats up more hard drive space)?? Using 23, it's sitting about halfway between "excellent" and "pushing it". using the 19 setting, it was lower on average, but it would suddenly jump all the way up to "pushing it" and then the recording would become "stuck"...the timer would stop, as would everything else on the software. Any ideas now what could be causing this mess?

Also, has anyone tried this software with winxp 64-bit? I am thinking of installing it now that all my graphics cards and mobo have driver support. Things certainly couldn't get any WORSE!

Well, just as suddenly as it STOPPED working, it STARTED working again (at least for the time being). I upgraded to Winblows xp SP2 and .Net 1.1beta something-or-other, restarted and I haven't had a problem since. I am still using the USB2 PCI card, I'm afraid to try putting it back on the mobo USB2 connector(s). I am glad it is working, but it is gonna bug the crap out of me NOT knowing what was causing the problem. I didn't change anything except for those two pieces of software (and a few, probably insignificant, security updates). I guess if this happens to anyone else, they'll know to try installing the latest .Net framework and SP2.

R5000-HD (the person, not the box), does your software require the .Net framework? If not, that could limit the fix down to SP2 and a few other insignificant things.

Thanks again for all your help guys. Hopefully it will continue to work perfectly as it did before the motherboard switch and as it does now.

This is a great, and VERY useful product. If there is anyone who is second-guessing the device, or isn't sure it's worth the money, or has reservations about how easy it is to operate, I can assure you that it is worth every penny. This is the greatest thing since TiVo! IMHO, this is BETTER than TiVo because TiVo is playing along w/the MPAA and their cohorts, trying to keep us from making legitimate copies of things that we PAY FOR. The R5000 may not have all of the features of a TiVo yet, but this product does EXACTLY what it says it will do and I am confident that the product will only get better with future software enhancements. (and NO, I am not paid by the company to endorse their product...however, if they want to send me a free box, I'd be more than happy to promote the hell out of this thing on every satellite/cable/HDTV forum I come across. hehe)
Oh well, there's always wishful thinking. ;)

Originally posted by mkerdman
Is anybody successfully recording AND playing back R5000-HD files from compressed NTFS external USB drives- i.e. +/- doubling their storage per GB?

Seperately, is anybody playing back R5000-HD files from compressed NTFS external USB drives across an ethernet 100MB network?

I was very disappointed with compressed folders/drives under NTFS. according to TSReader my HBO recordings have 35-40% null packets. Saving the file in a compressed folder only reduces the size by 10%. If I compress the files using winzip, it drops in size by 35%-40% as expected. So I just compress the files I want to archive long term.

Sorry.

TW

Originally posted by thurstonw
I was very disappointed with compressed folders/drives under NTFS. according to TSReader my HBO recordings have 35-40% null packets. Saving the file in a compressed folder only reduces the size by 10%. If I compress the files using winzip, it drops in size by 35%-40% as expected. So I just compress the files I want to archive long term.

Sorry.

TW

Thanks for the insight.

Will I be able to watch via the Component cables while the unit is recording on the USB?

Thanks

Originally posted by PeterS
Will I be able to watch via the Component cables while the unit is recording on the USB?

Thanks

Audio and video outputs are unaffected while recording.

Originally posted by thurstonw
For me it's not an issue. I usually start the recordings early and then run them a little long. It's especially useful with HDnet Movies, as the start/stop times are usually wrong (sometimes the movie too). After the recording is finished, I use HDTV2Mpeg2 to edit out the stuff I don't want and split it into 1490MB files(3 per dvd).

Heres a link to latest version(s) of HDTVtoMPEG2

http://www.eecs.umich.edu/~balazer/HDTVtoMPEG2/index.html


Where the R5000-HD wins big is in scheduling multiple unattended events. There are times when I'm gone for more than a week, so I just buy a 250GB hard drive for $70 (after rebate) and I can easily record +10 movies while I'm gone. If I use compressed mode, then it's more like +20 movies.

TW


Hate to ask this here, but a search of the forums has not helped. I have tried using HDTVtoMPEG2 program, but it seems to creat Mpegs that are not standard. I have tried to use TMGenc DVD program and it rejects the files. Also, the Mpegs created do not play in Media Player (or any other program I tried). Am I missing something, or can you point me in the right direction?
Thanks.

DJ7675,
I don't seem to be able to select any subset of all the available channels on ZAP2IT when using 4DTV as the provider. Dish and StarChoice work OK.
It seems to be a bug with ZAP2IT. John

Has anyone tried the output of the R5000 with the Linkplayer2 from IO Data. Claims to play native TS files over the net.

Hoping it works as my R5000 should be here next week.

Thanks

Originally posted by PeterS
Has anyone tried the output of the R5000 with the Linkplayer2 from IO Data. Claims to play native TS files over the net.

Hoping it works as my R5000 should be here next week.

Thanks

Hope to hear from you when you get both hooked up and how it works. Am currently using the Roku HD1000 and it works pretty well, but the linkplayer looks like a great device. I will order one as soon as I can find out how well it works for playing the ts files.

Just wanted to pass on my experience with David at Nextcom since he really has gone above and beyond the usual norms of customer service.

I loaned my modified 6k to a man in Minnesota to record things for me while I am out of the country during the winter. This man had a problem with the modified box having nothing to do with the modification and got nowhere dealing with Dish support. David was kind enough to take a look at the unit, get it up and running since it refused to boot up, and return it to my guy at no charge even for shipping!

Granted I was one of the original beta testers and that MAY have given me a leg-up on other people however it still speaks very well for his willingness to solve a customers problems no matter what!

By the way I am thrilled with the units abilities all in all!

Larry Vale

Just wanted to post my experience with the Roku HD1000. It simply works great. A couple things to note. I am using the 2.0.10 firmware on the HD1000. I also just downloaded 3.0 Beta of MPLAY. This program makes the Roku worth every penny. Great interface, aspect ratio controls, and the best thing is you can ff/rew in 30 sec/3min amounts. I set the R5000 to null strip the files and both the MyHD and the built in Roku player won't allow any ff/rw, which is a real pain. If you have a Roku and haven't tried MPLAY, give the 3.0 a try. It really works great.


Mplay Website (http://www.permanence.com/MPlay/)

I almost returned the Roku after reading about some users problems with audio dropouts. With the beta firmware and using MPlay I have not had any problems. Very glad I gave it a try as it is now my main method of playback...

Darin

The Linkplayer2 doesn't appear to have analog RGB or DVI...

Is there a D4 to DVI or analog RGB converter?

Also, it specifies TS streams at 720p only...

Originally posted by dj7675
I almost returned the Roku after reading about some users problems with audio dropouts. With the beta firmware and using MPlay I have not had any problems. Very glad I gave it a try as it is now my main method of playback...


Darin:

There are still some of us experiencing audio dropouts with Roku's latest beta and MPlay v3.0, so you're fortunate not to be having problems. Roku has acknowledged that the audio problem is still on their "to do" list of fixes needed in a future release.

In regards to the 720P limitation, I seem to recall in the monster dvd thread reading that it goes far above the stated specs. I wonder if there is a D4-RGB or DVI converter. Looks like just component out. I had read their next version will have DVI out.

Originally posted by dj7675
Just wanted to post my experience with the Roku HD1000. It simply works great. A couple things to note. I am using the 2.0.10 firmware on the HD1000. I also just downloaded 3.0 Beta of MPLAY. This program makes the Roku worth every penny. Great interface, aspect ratio controls, and the best thing is you can ff/rew in 30 sec/3min amounts. I set the R5000 to null strip the files and both the MyHD and the built in Roku player won't allow any ff/rw, which is a real pain. If you have a Roku and haven't tried MPLAY, give the 3.0 a try. It really works great.Darin: I've been wanting to try the new Roku firmware for some time, because of the deficiencies of all the alternatives when using the 1.5.18 firmware. (Roku-provided StreamPlayer has no FF/REW capability except on file boundaries, plus has audio issues; 3rd-party apps like TStream were very unreliable; etc.)

But I've been unwilling to try it because the notes for the 2.0.10 firmware claim that 3rd party apps can no longer be run once you install it. (They say this will be addressed in a later update.)

MPlay is a 3rd-party app, isn't it? And yet you say it works with the 2.0.10 firmware? Is the warning about 3rd-party apps a false warning?

Does MPlay work with the older firmware as well?

I was unaware of this app. I originally got my Roku HD1000 expecting that I could use a number of them as inexpensive players at every display in the house as part of a "whole-house" video solution, but the unit performed so poorly as an MPEG2 player that I gave up on it. I'd be delighted to resurrect my whole-house project if this has been fixed.

Hey, the MPlay page refers to "Rev. B HD1000s." What are those?

Is there some other place I should be looking to keep up with Roku HD1000 goings-on?

rrg,

I would recommend upgrading to the latest beta if you want to use the video features of the Roku to play HD files or DVD files. I do not know what 3rd party apps will be unable to work on the new beta. I would check with those 3rd part programs. They may work, or have an update available that will work for the 2.x beta.
Mplay is a 3rd party app, but it has been updated to work on the 2.x beta. I don't know if the latest version 3 of Mplay works on the old firmware or not. I just downloaded it and extracted it to a cf card, put in the cf card in the roku, browsed to the cf card from the roku, and selected Mplay and it runs.
The 2.x firmware also allows you to play files larger than 2GB and access ntfs shares as well. For those recording files with r5000 recordes, this is obviosly very important due to the size of the files created. The built in player on the Roku also works much better on TS files than the old firmware too.
The Roku with the 2.x beta running MPlay IMHO works very well for video. It has the features the built in player should have had all along. If you have 3rd party apps that you use, you should check to make sure they will run on the Roku beta.
I forgot to mention the REV B Roku are the ones with 128 M of RAM. The first ones I believe have 64. From the bit of reading I have been doing, it is helpful to create a swapfile on a CF card for those with 64M of RAM. See link below for pdf on the 2.x firmware.
roku 2.0.10 pdf (http://www.rokulabs.com/support/downloads/RokuHD1000_2.0.10_WhatsNew.pdf)

The 3rd party apps just needed to be recompiled to run on the v2 firmware. Minor fix and most developers had updated versions of their apps available within a couple days of the initial v2 release. Definately worth loading. Most of the audio issues are with program streams.

Originally posted by HookedOnTV
The 3rd party apps just needed to be recompiled to run on the v2 firmware. Why couldn't they just say that, then? The wording led me to believe that they couldn't be run at all until some unspecified future date.

Criminy.

Originally posted by PeterS
Has anyone tried the output of the R5000 with the Linkplayer2 from IO Data. Claims to play native TS files over the net.

Hoping it works as my R5000 should be here next week.

Thanks

I acquired the Linkplayer2 this week and can happily report that it plays R5000 captures perfectly.

There are some caveats, though. The firmware is still evolving and I-O data seems to be releasing an update monthly. The latest (3/4/05) firmware update is a step backwards for playing of native TS files. The good news is that you can rollback one firmware release. The 2/4/05 firmware works fine. Also, they still don't have FF and REW working for TS captures, although it's on their list of future development. One observation is that if you pause and then play, it is sometimes impossibile to reacquire audio. I would imagine that's on their fix list, as well.

The built in DVD loader is horrible for playing TS captures you may have on DVD. If you read the Linkplayer forums you will see that many users have swapped the DVD reader to the Lite-On 167T. It's not difficult to do and does the trick. All my DVDs of R5000 TS captures that would stutter with the stock DVD reader, play fine with the Lite-On reader.

The software still needs alot of work, but all in all, it seems quite promising as another player for TS captures.

BTW, it plays WMV encoded files and ripped DVDs perfectly.

Originally posted by ctdish
DJ7675,
I don't seem to be able to select any subset of all the available channels on ZAP2IT when using 4DTV as the provider. Dish and StarChoice work OK.
It seems to be a bug with ZAP2IT. John

Thanks for the update. I thought I was doing something wrong on my end. I toio can get starchoice to work fine, just not 4dtv listings. I sent a few emails to zap2it but have not received any response.

Ron, that is good to hear. Nice to have a few workable options for playing these files back. It looks like a very intersing product. I had tried to find out how well it would work for playback of r5000 captures, but couldn't get any confirmation that it would work. Nice to hear.

Darin

Anyone successfully using hdtvtompeg2 for converting d* r5000 (w/ DTC100 in my case) TS captures to mpg? First attempts were with the premium HD channels such as DSHD, HBO. Haven't been able to find any reference to this in the forum. I'm new to H2 & still learning about the workings of TS files. I tried to use 1.11 beta 3 to convert. I see the preview I frames, the conversion runs, no errors, & creates a file. But tried to import to premiere 1.5.1, and also tried to open in WMP, but nothing but black screen. In H2, before conversion, I scanned but no indication anything was found.... not sure if d* channels even have channel id's in their streams, so I left the pid's at the 11 and 14 defaults..

Am I missing something?

HDTVtoMPEG2's conversion to .mpg is broken. Use another program.

Any recommendation of another program that has worked well converting TS's from r5000/sat streams?

I use videoredo, it works great for converting to mpg, and also editing ts files. You have to use the beta version however which can be downloaded via their forum. It also has a great autofix feature for some captures that have issues. It can be downloaded via their forum at the link below. I believe there is a 30 day trial. It worked so well I bought it to edit ts files for things such as trimming beginning/end of movies and for the use of the quickfix feature which really works well.
VideoRedo 2 Beta Download (http://www.videoredo.net/msgBoard/viewtopic.php?t=772)

Darin

Anybody can enlighten me about what's the difference between this and 169time's solution other than this one Win-based sw, that one runs on linux? :confused:

R5000-HD is meant for recording to your PC. 169Time is meant for recording to D-VHS. Other than that, they're about the same. For a long time 169Time was plagued with poor quality recordings. Those problems may have been fixed; I don't know. R5000-HD has worked pretty well from the start, as far as I can tell. With R5000-HD you can schedule a recording from the program guide on your PC. I don't think you can do that with 169Time. The 169Time solution relies on a special-purpose Linux machine that goes between the set-top box and your D-VHS recorder. R5000-HD connects straight to your PC.

Originally posted by balazer
R5000-HD is meant for recording to your PC. 169Time is meant for recording to D-VHS. Other than that, they're about the same. For a long time 169Time was plagued with poor quality recordings. Those problems may have been fixed; I don't know. R5000-HD has worked pretty well from the start, as far as I can tell. With R5000-HD you can schedule a recording from the program guide on your PC. I don't think you can do that with 169Time. The 169Time solution relies on a special-purpose Linux machine that goes between the set-top box and your D-VHS recorder. R5000-HD connects straight to your PC.

I see, thanks. There's no way to record to DVHS with this config?

I mean like sending out the signal for DVHS on another firewire port/card?

Indirectly: record to your hard disk first, and then transfer to D-VHS with DVHS Tool.

Originally posted by balazer
Indirectly: record to your hard disk first, and then transfer to D-VHS with DVHS Tool.

I see. I assume this way the copy flags are entirely ignored, right? (I can record everything to my harddrive, then remove the flags with DVHStool or something else.)

The way R5000-HD and 169Time tap the stream inside the receiver, there are no copy protection flags at all.

Originally posted by balazer
The way R5000-HD and 169Time tap the stream inside the receiver, there are no copy protection flags at all.

How? CPflags ar eencoded into the stream.
Also IIRC last time I analyzed 169time's linux-based stuf I found nothing but a minimized linux kernel plus some libraw1394 (or some similar purpose) routine for removing flags.

Copy protection flags go in a descriptor in the transport stream. They're not embedded in the video or audio.

But if you've gone looking in the AVX1 code and found where it's removing copy protection flags from the stream, then you already know a lot more than I do and you didn't need to ask.

Originally posted by balazer
Copy protection flags go in a descriptor in the transport stream. They're not embedded in the video or audio.


Well, that means it's in the TS, so unless they put some logic into the box, they can't remove it, I think - and that's why you need your PC first, before the DVHS or that 'AVX1' box before your DVHS. :)


But if you've gone looking in the AVX1 code and found where it's removing copy protection flags from the stream, then you already know a lot more than I do and you didn't need to ask.

? What's wrong with asking? :eek:

I simply asked something I wasn't sure completely... :confused:

Originally posted by T2k
Well, that means it's in the TS, so unless they put some logic into the box, they can't remove it, I think - and that's why you need your PC first, before the DVHS or that 'AVX1' box before your DVHS. :)

Who said that what these modifications tap inside the receiver is a transport stream?

Originally posted by balazer
Who said that what these modifications tap inside the receiver is a transport stream?

vs

Originally posted by balazer
The way R5000-HD and 169Time tap the stream inside the receiver, there are no copy protection flags at all.

Besides this AFAIK it IS a transport stream, perhaps different somehow from the DVHS standard but still a ts, isn't it?

I didn't say they tap a transport stream. They might very well be tapping elementary streams, packetized elementary streams, or a partial transport stream, all of which wouldn't contain any descriptors - just the audio and video.

Both devices reconstruct a new transport stream from the data they extract from the box.

Originally posted by GaryHDTV
Both devices reconstruct a new transport stream from the data they extract from the box.

What's the difference? And why they don't keep the DVHS-compatible ATSC stream instead?

Difference? The transport stream the receiver 'receives' is a multiplex (many channels). The re-constructed output of the R5000 is a single channel.

You can't keep what's not there to start with (DVHS-compatible ATSC stream).

Originally posted by T2k
What's the difference? And why they don't keep the DVHS-compatible ATSC stream instead?
You can only "keep" what the receiver makes available to you at the output of some pins. It may be the case that the receiver does not expose a whole transport stream with the program you want decrypted. The R5000-HD can only tap what's available to it, and that happens to be (I believe) something that doesn't contain any copy protection descriptors. It's the R5000-HD's job to turn this back into a transport stream.

Sorry, it's been worded poorly, let me rephrase it. :)

Aren't these devices tapping into the stream after it's been decrypted and before it becomes analog (or other converted), demixed signal?
:confused:

They are tapping the stream after it's decrypted and before it's decoded. It could be before or after demuxing; probably after, since I think normally you would demux before decrypting.

I think only cable companie's enforce the 5C flags since only they have the boxes with firewire ports. D* and E* don't put 5C flags on the streams since they don't have equipment to record the streams, so they don't have to worry about it. 169time and R-5000 are used to record the streams from a modified STB, thats it. i don't think they remove the copy protection, cause then that would be illegal, right? If I'm wrong, which I might be, then sorry,hehe.

I see, thanks for the answers.

However there is a note saying "Potential Future Enhancements * Integrated support for recording directly to D-VHS" - is there any ETA or timeframe on this?

If I can get this sometime next few months - say before fall seasons - I'd be sold immediately. :)

The data is coming after the demuxer in the stb, so no transport headers, just pure audio/video data. They are taking the packetized elementary streams and creating a transport mux on the fly.

I am having trouble with my dish6000 with R5000 mod. When I set it to view say HBOHD for example, and try to record a program using the zap guide, nothing happens. When I try to manually record from one time to another given time I still get nothing. No file created on my harddrive.
I did get all the drivers installed and windowsXP does recognize my usb device.
Any one with ideas?

Thanks

(edit: I should add that when I hit the record button on the zap2it guide, it will change the channel on my stb to the proper channel but then won't record.)

We probably need more info, but I would suggest turning on the remuxer log and sending it to the NEXTCOM people. I had a possibly similar problem and had to add a USB card, but I would check other things before doing that. John

New to this forum---have Dish 6000 HD and JVC HRD40000 DVHS--has anyone come up with way to record HD from sat. to DVHS directly--or must we go through computer?

ctdish,

I already had the remuxer log on. Should it have been off to record properly?

Maintv,

If your goal is to output to DVHS, you'd probably be happier with 169time but you still have a simple computer unit with that before it goes to your HRD40000

Thanks, where can i find this 169time?

Originally posted by videolover

If your goal is to output to DVHS, you'd probably be happier with 169time but you still have a simple computer unit with that before it goes to your HRD40000

I'd wait and see... I heard that the R5000 alpha test group is currently testing a version that supports DVHS recording. So it will probably show up in the next beta. They been really quiet, so they must be busy working on new features.

TW

Videolover,
The R5000 will record OK with the remuxer log on. Can you describe what you see on the dialog box when you click on the red button . Mine looks like the attached file. John

When I get home, I will uncheck the IR control enable box and see if that helps me. In the box that says Status Mode I have "waiting for hard drive"
and that does not go away no matter what. Under IR control where yours says "idle", mine always says "waiting for code"

Another thing I will try if the above doesn't work will be to start plugging in to different usb ports on my computer. I think they might not all be 2.0

fwiw, I have a p4 3.2 gig on an Abit IC7 max3 and I have half a gig of fast memory.

(edit: when I press the red button no recording occurs and if I press OTR it says 30 but does not count down because it doesn't record and still keeps the two error codes of "waiting for hard drive" and "waiting for code".)

Thanks for the reply, ctdish

You probably don't need IR control. I think it allows the Dish receiver to control the recording application, if you add the external LED to the Dish receiver. John

After I unchecked IR control, everything works as advertised. Life is good.

Thanks John

Has anyone confirmed whether R5000 captured .ts files will play well with the BuffaloTech PC-P3LWG/DVD?

I'm drawn to the idea of of the R5000 and happen to have a new E* 6000 that Dish just gave me that I am not currently utilizing (I never got the upgrade module... )

I've spent several hours reading through this thread and am currently on page 15. Are there any major problems with the R5000 that pop up later (although I will continue to read)?

Thanks,

Paul

Originally posted by wazoo
Has anyone confirmed whether R5000 captured .ts files will play well with the BuffaloTech PC-P3LWG/DVD?

I use the MyHD120 for playback. The R5000-hd automatically adds your recorded shows to the favorites list, which is accessible from the remote. If you're planning to store your recordings on DVD you'll be swapping dvds every fifteen minutes :)


I'm drawn to the idea of of the R5000 and happen to have a new E* 6000 that Dish just gave me that I am not currently utilizing (I never got the upgrade module... )

You won't be disappointed. I have two, and can schedule 10+ recording in a week. (all without a single tape change) ;-)


I've spent several hours reading through this thread and am currently on page 15. Are there any major problems with the R5000 that pop up later (although I will continue to read)?

AFAIK, all the issues have been worked out, or have work-arounds.

TW

Has anyone tried or have this setup??:

r5000-hd Dish Network 6000
DVHSTool or CapDVHS
JVC 30k or JVC 5u D-VHS deck

do you get glitch free recordings sent from the r5000-hd thru dvhstool/capdvhs to jvc d-vhs deck??

I am a little tired of fooling around with 169time :(

one more small question, can you schedule recordings to start 5 mins early and end 5 mins late, so that you can edit to get a perfect opening to closing of movies??

-Gary

Originally posted by thurstonw
I use the MyHD120 for playback. The R5000-hd automatically adds your recorded shows to the favorites list, which is accessible from the remote. If you're planning to store your recordings on DVD you'll be swapping dvds every fifteen minutes :)


TW

I'm not as concerned about the DVD drive for playback as I am of the streaming capabilities. I do not have an HTPC near my primary viewing area and thus my question is aimed at the ability of the Buffalo unit, like the I-O LinkPlayer2, to send the data over a LAN for viewing.

Paul

Originally posted by Gary Murrell
Has anyone tried or have this setup??:

r5000-hd Dish Network 6000
DVHSTool or CapDVHS
JVC 30k or JVC 5u D-VHS deck

do you get glitch free recordings sent from the r5000-hd thru dvhstool/capdvhs to jvc d-vhs deck??

I am a little tired of fooling around with 169time :(

one more small question, can you schedule recordings to start 5 mins early and end 5 mins late, so that you can edit to get a perfect opening to closing of movies??

-Gary

I've gotten great recordings from my R5000 modified Dish 6000 to a JVC 30000. The R5000 just plain works - it's reliable and pretty much worry free. It's my favorite piece of gear in a lot of ways.

It integrates with the Sony iEPG on the internet, or of course you can schedule manually. You have the ability to edit start and end times, and by default it starts a minute early and ends late, but you can change that if you want.

I read all kinds of warnings about the 169time but was very close to buying it just before the R5000 came out. Glad I didn't. You won't find many posts on the R5000. That's a good thing, I think. It means it's working as advertised.

Yes I notice that Joseph, I have never seen a r5000 up for sale nor many posts at all, like you said that is very very telling

too bad I sank my whole wad on the 169time setup :(

I mean it works when it works but requires a very very very strict setup routine and some Holy Water sprinkled on it to give glitch free tapes and those even have re-syncs about twice per movie

this is 100% 169times fault due to software, which is not being updated enough, frankly I am very dissappointed in them

the r5000 guys on the other hand seem to be top notch

-Gary

Just checked the R5000 website and the v 2 beta is out. It now records directly to DVHS or computer, or both at the same time. There is also an upgrade for the PVR software that also has quite a lot of added features. Also the PVR software also has a client side software which I think is a great idea. I can't seem to download the DVR software. Not sure what the problem is.

R5000 DVR and PVR 2.0 Info (http://www.nextcomwireless.com/r5000/support.htm)

how would directly to D-VHS work??

I think that Nextcom should lower their pricing some(or put some more 6000 units on ebay;) ), I for one would convert over right now

see these guys are so smart, they list that the ts2sp filter in windows is buggy and that they made their own :D :D :D

http://www.nextcomwireless.com/r5000/ts2sp.htm

I am so there :D

-Gary

I believe all that is required is a firewire port in the computer you are using and a DVHS. With the new 2.0 software you can then choose to record to tape only, record to computer only, or to record to both. I currently don't have a DVHS and record everything to a Buffulo Terrastation. I can see though this will probably fill up in the next couple of months and may decide to pick up a DVHS now that the R5000 can automatically record to it.
As an update, I have downloaded the PVR 2.0 Beta software and it works great. I can now schedule recordings from my laptop which is set in client model. This is incredibly useful as the main pc is hooked up to my front projector and was a pain to turn it on just to schedule recordings.
The DVR software that actually does the recording is not available to download yet but was told it should be available for later today.
Scheduling recordings to hard drive or tape. Nice to have options....

Darin

oooo! I like these enhancements. They sound great.

Got to ask the question - will it now be possible to utilize this inconjuction with SageTV? I would love to be able to schedule programming withing Sage. Right now I use Sage to record SD material via S-video from my DirecTV box. It would be great to do this using R5000. Obviously I would also use to schedule HD recordings too.

I remember reading that a directshow filter was needed to make it work with sage. I see now that the r5000 has created one. That whole thing is over my head on getting the two to work together. Can you or anyone else explain what is needed to make the two work together? I would really like to see this as well.

Darin

I remember reading that a directshow filter was needed to make it work with sage. I see now that the r5000 has created one. That whole thing is over my head on getting the two to work together. Can you or anyone else explain what is needed to make the two work together? I would really like to see this as well.

Darin


Yeah - beyond me too. I am hoping one of the geniuses on this forum can help.

oooo! I like these enhancements. They sound great.

Got to ask the question - will it now be possible to utilize this inconjuction with SageTV?

Writing a tuner directx filter is pretty complex. I've looked at it a few times and there is a ton of stuff you need to do to keep M* happy. 2005 media edition is even more picky.

Techtom

Version 2.0 Downloads Available

Beta versions of the R5000-HD DVR & PVR apps are available for download at www.r5000-hd.com (http://www.nextcomwireless.com/r5000/support_download.htm) Many important new features are implemented:

Recording directly to D-VHS Tape now possible.
Can now record SD programs from D* (an R5000-HD exclusive*).
Built-in Media Player provides live Satellite Preview, plays most major media types and D-VHS Tape.
Basic command-line control implemented.


The ver 2.0 PVR matches the additional record destinations provided by the DVR (disk, tape, both) which are programmable for each event. Additional features include:

Re-occurring Events can be setup on a daily, week-daily, weekly or monthly frequency.
Networkable PVR can be set in client or server mode. Programs can be added/deleted/modified from a remote PC.
Session and worksapce preferences automatically saved and loaded.


See download area for notes on installation, known issues and additional system requirements. Thank you.

oops...forgot the most important feature- the remote control now has an "LED" indicator so you know the power state of the STB.

-R

*For PC-based recording solutions.

I remember reading that a directshow filter was needed to make it work with sage. I see now that the r5000 has created one. That whole thing is over my head on getting the two to work together. Can you or anyone else explain what is needed to make the two work together? I would really like to see this as well.

Darin

The new 2.0 beta does utilize a lot of DirectShow technology, for ex. creating the Media Player/Preview window but the DVR is still a stand-alone MFC application and not a DS filter/driver.

We have seriously looked into the possibility of creating a DS tuner driver but at this point there are a couple major drawbacks with it becoming a reality: 1) duplicating 100% of the functionality of the DVR and the options provided by the current interface. 2) Getting it to work in a consistently stable and reliable fashion.

To work with apps like SageTV, the R5000 has to be redesigned to be a DS driver or filter. It is fairly complicated to do and requires creating a number of "pins" that expose some common interface types to other DS compatible apps. The problem is that these interfaces aren't necessarilly the best fit for the R5000-HD's requirements. Also, as a DS filter, the R5000 would be dependent on a lot of external modules and interfaces where as a stand-alone app the functionality is completely self-contained (the current versions don't even rely upon any dll's). This seriously diminishes the relaibility and complicates installation and troubleshooting.

-R

Thanks for the explanation. I can see how this could make recording less reliable with the complexity and relying on programs outside of your control-in particular with regards to support. I have used the new PVR app and it is great being able to schedule recording from a client PC.
Right now my only issue with scheduling recordings is that for C-Band 4DTV listings you cannot customize your channel list to just include the HD channels like you can with the other providers (Dish, DTV, Bell, SC). There are 3-400 channels to scan through, making it quite a chore. Zap2it appears to be the problem. I am guessing it is because there is a satellite and a channel number. Is there a way to work around this?

Thanks again for the new software updates. Nice to see the product continue to move forward.

Darin

...Right now my only issue with scheduling recordings is that for C-Band 4DTV listings you cannot customize your channel list to just include the HD channels like you can with the other providers (Dish, DTV, Bell, SC). There are 3-400 channels to scan through, making it quite a chore. Zap2it appears to be the problem. I am guessing it is because there is a satellite and a channel number. Is there a way to work around this?

Thanks again for the new software updates. Nice to see the product continue to move forward.

Darin

It looks like their asp script is broken. You can pull up the customize channel page and check them but it errors out when you submit. We informed them of this already. Thanks.

-R

R5000-HD I have a question about your new D-VHS method's, I do not currently use your system but will be coming your way soon due to the total ulcer induced sickness that is the 169time setup
Your adding of more D-VHS support has got me totally interested in your product, I was wondering if your software would allow us to send recording's already on the hard Drive to our D-VHS decks thus using your custom TS2SP filter???

-Gary

Hello,
Im interested in purchasing this unit with D*, and I was thinking about one of the Hughes E86 that nextcom has for sales. My question is: are these receivers still working with D*, would I have any kind of problems in getting an activation card for it? I have called D* and the person I spoke to said that I can purchase it and that all I need is to call them back to order a card, but then ... most of those people working there have no clue of what they are talking, they just give you the answers you want to hear.

Anyone has purchased one of these lately and were able to subscribe?
As I understand now there is support for SD channels as well, so basically all the channels are recordable, is that right?

Thank you

R5000-HD I have a question about your new D-VHS method's, I do not currently use your system but will be coming your way soon due to the total ulcer induced sickness that is the 169time setup
Your adding of more D-VHS support has got me totally interested in your product, I was wondering if your software would allow us to send recording's already on the hard Drive to our D-VHS decks thus using your custom TS2SP filter???

-Gary


Yes, we plan to add a utility to push out to D-VHS and it will use the same ts2sp routine used in direct to tape recording. It may also include a background scheduling feature. Thanks.

-R

Hello,
Im interested in purchasing this unit with D*, and I was thinking about one of the Hughes E86 that nextcom has for sales. My question is: are these receivers still working with D*, would I have any kind of problems in getting an activation card for it? I have called D* and the person I spoke to said that I can purchase it and that all I need is to call them back to order a card, but then ... most of those people working there have no clue of what they are talking, they just give you the answers you want to hear.

Anyone has purchased one of these lately and were able to subscribe?
As I understand now there is support for SD channels as well, so basically all the channels are recordable, is that right?

Thank you

All channels can now be recorded from D*, including SD. There are no problems with re-activating these legacy recievers. They accept the newest access cards and receive all current programming on the 101/110/119 sats. The routine with D* is you have to be a current subscriber and then they'll send you a new access card if you want to activate a used receiver (they will not re-activate old cards). The way it works in the sat. business is the CSRs make up the rules as they go; call 3 different times and you'll get 3 different answers! But bottom line is noone has had any problems re-activating these. Thanks

-R

Thanks R, that is great great news, so basically your setup will be all in one and not require dvhstool, this is great as like you guys mentioned the current ts2sp filters leave something to be desired

-Gary

I plan on recording more and more to tape for archiving my important stuff. Ive recently suffered a Server crash and lost a lot of valuable stuff. I no longer trust hard drives.

Are there any plans to somehow be able to watch the incoming stream on a MYHD card rather than using the Elecard decoders? I find the decoder to be a resource hog and a simple pain to use.

I'll bet that most here have at least one of the cards.

Larry

OOH that is bad Alan, I would never place my stuff on hard drives because of stories like yours

out of everything storage wise I trust tape the most, if it goes bad it's because I made it or went too nuts with my tape Degausser eraser :D

-Gary

I plan on recording more and more to tape for archiving my important stuff. Ive recently suffered a Server crash and lost a lot of valuable stuff. I no longer trust hard drives.

I've been burned with my hard drives, as well, however I have everything backed up on DVD.

Are there any plans to somehow be able to watch the incoming stream on a MYHD card rather than using the Elecard decoders? I find the decoder to be a resource hog and a simple pain to use.

I believe you can do this now. MyHD reads a file as it's being written, so long as the file is not locked for reading.

out of everything storage wise I trust tape the most,
I've had DDS-3 computer tapes fail.

I trust DVD+R the most, though the only way to be sure is to have multiple copies of your data, on whatever medium.

I plan on recording more and more to tape for archiving my important stuff. Ive recently suffered a Server crash and lost a lot of valuable stuff. I no longer trust hard drives.

Alan

Were your drives in a RAID array that broke or became corrupt and then was unrecoverable, or, did you have a single drives heads crash?

If it was a RAID install, did you have a "spare" RAID drive?

Hi Murray

All I had was single drives, no back up.
The servers have never been touched or turned off for 2 years. Of course the one that went contained the latest and best of my collection. Some of the drives were recoverable but most in that server were lost.

Recording to DVHS help needed.

Ive loaded the latest software and made sure Im running directx9 and installed the drivers for the JVC on my PC.

Everything works fine. The program sees the VCR in the drop down box and the transport controls the VCR but the record button is not highlited so I cannot record anything to tape??

Help, thanks!

I see what my trouble is. When loading the tape players driver it is asking for the tuner driver. I am saying cancel and it does not pull up the second box asking for the vcr driver. Ive tried everything and its also doing the same thing for my Mits deck. Any ideas what to try next.

Alan that is weird, my pc also pulls up the tuner first but when I cancel it, it always pulsl up the install recorder next, try installing something for the tuner and then let it pull up the recorder, then after all is said and done, go into othe control panel and device manager under system then hardware tab and find the tuner, disable it instead of uninstalling , if you unistall it will continue to pull up the" install tuner" dialog upon every reboot, so just disable it

-Gary

Gary

Ive tried everything. It will not go to the second box. I installed the driver under "tuner" and I do have a yellow exclamation mark under device manager. Dispite the error the darn thing is working perfect.
Im able to record to tape just fine. Very strange.

I think SP SP2 puts in a DVHS tape driver without any visible dialog boxes and with no user intervention needed. John

Thanks John. I do have SP2 so maybe thats the confusion.

Yep Service pack 2 screws that up very bad, that is your issue I would guess

-Gary

Gary

I just recorded a full movie to the Mits from Dish/voom and it played back perfect on my JVC 40k. No glitches.

Thanks for that report Alan, my 169time system is really getting to me, I wish I would have went with the nextcom folks instead

It's shame because I never have any tape related D-VHS problems, the only problems I ever have are source(169time) related

So Those Mits decks are working out for folks

Alan am I correct to assume that you used the new direct to D-VHS feature of r5000-hd??

-Gary

Alan am I correct to assume that you used the new direct to D-VHS feature of r5000-hd??

-Gary


Yes and it worked perfect. I also tried the media player and my machine does not have the needed horse power for smooth playback but it works good enough for me to monitor my recordings.