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stjr

10-08-05, 08:07 PM

the only difference to me is Hard Drive price per film, roughly estimated around 4.00$ each without Nulls
or 5.25$ each when stored at CBR 19.392 Mbps

and I have one other main question for you MYHD guys, is the mpeg2 decoder as good as the JVC 5u deck, in terms of picture quality and robustness with errors and such

Thanks Guys, I may just pull the trigger on a MYHD

-GaryI can only speak for PQ of the component outputs of a MyHD card vs. a JVC 30k. I think the PQ of the MyHD card is a little better (sharper) than the JVC 30k decoder, but the JVC 30k decoder is better at error concealment. For convenience, I watch all my R5000 recordings with the MyHD card. My favorite decoder is the LG 3410a, but PC software support for the 3410a (i.e., Firebus) is not very robust for playing R5000 recordings.

FWIW, the HDNet and HDNet Movies channels have very few null packets on E*, so eliminating null packets won't help save very much space on those channels.

madpoet

10-08-05, 08:59 PM

Nope, if you don't need the functionality then it's not an issue. The output of the MyHD is outstanding.

Gary Murrell

10-08-05, 09:57 PM

I am either going to go to MYHD or start looking for used S-VHS and stick with D-VHS and transfer my entire backlog of r5000-hd recordings(over 150)

I was going to throw the myhd card in a cheap PC from ebay, but the latest manual plainy says bare minimum you need a PIII 800MHZ for ATSC recording and playback
that kind of money would buy that Mac for archiving to D-VHS

Decisions?? :)

Thanks for your input guys

-Gary

Gary Murrell

10-08-05, 10:02 PM

Hey I got a good question for you Steve, I would love to also try out the 3410a

Can a fella store the image of the LST-3410a hard drive on his PC and make swapable hard drives for the unit?? the 3410a prolly formats it itself when inserting a blank drive??

Can a guy load up .TS files to the 3410a's hard drive(on the pc) before placing it in the unit??

If I could easily get stuff on the 3410a's hard drive(not having to use real time firewire etc.) that would be my route to go

-Gary

stjr

10-08-05, 10:50 PM

Gary Murrell

10-08-05, 10:59 PM

One more question for you Steve, you got too many goodies to play with man :) :)

We have talked about alot of decoders here
Which decoder gives you the best most error free playback of Dish R5000-hd caps??
The R5000-hd caps don't have very many errors at all, but I was interested in what you had to say about that

Thanks Steve

-Gary

docchak

10-08-05, 11:03 PM

1 movies =4 DVD =$.40 x 4 =$ 1.60 , is my math correct?

stjr

10-08-05, 11:17 PM

Gary.

As I stated, the 3410A is my favorite decoder for PQ and error concealment, but it's not convenient for playing R5000 files. IMO, the MyHD card is the best way to go for playing back R5000 files. Hardware decoding still beats software decoding.

Gary Murrell

10-08-05, 11:46 PM

Doc your math is perfect and that is for 16x DVD-R Taiyo Yuden's at .40 ea., with Null stripping you will be able to get lots of films on 3 DVD's

I am using them right now a a means of storage, they are so cheap that I can't let all these movies pass by with my thumb up my ***

Steve I am sure a cheap mitsubishi D-VHS deck pumping into the 3410a via firewire would work great wouldn't it?? using the Mits deck to feed the 3410A's great mpeg decoder and DVI output

-Gary

stjr

10-09-05, 12:04 AM

Gary Murrell

10-09-05, 12:15 AM

Thanks Steve

-Gary

HDTVFanAtic

10-09-05, 04:33 AM

Can I ask some questions any folks that use the r5000-hd with Dish Network and playback via the MYHD MDP-130 with DVI??

How is your playback generally??

Hard drives now are just about cheap enough for me to start archiving to them, with stripped Null Packets one can get around 18 movies per 250GB which are under 80$

I am assuming the MYHD card playsback well with no Null's??

I just wanted some feedback from Dish r5000-hd/MYHD users??

I think this is the route I am going to go for playback of my HDTV archive

Thanks

-Gary

As you don't have cable, I don't know why you would bother with the 130, but to the question you asked - it works fine with the cavet listed by madpoet.

You also will also average 22-23 Movies per 250GB Hard Drive (232 Gigs in reality) unless you record everything off HDNET Movies.

madpoet

10-09-05, 06:57 AM

Gary,

If you are content to archive to D-VHS, then a D-VHS deck should work well with the 3410A. I don't have the storage space for those tapes. Of course, if you want full error correction on your recordings, D-VHS won't suffice, but it's definitely a viable alternative and might provide a superior viewing experience compared to the MyHD decoder.

Steve, not sure what you mean by full error correction on the recordings. Anyway, what I do Gary is run the movie through HD2MPEG2 first if the pids are not already at 11 and 14. Then I run it through TSTOATSC to make it a fully compliant CBR stream. Then copy it to my Mac, and use the firewire tools to dump it to a DVHS deck. Glitch free process so far.

docchak

10-09-05, 08:12 AM

stjr

10-09-05, 11:56 AM

Steve, not sure what you mean by full error correction on the recordings.Full error correction means that if you copy a file from one media to another, you get an exact copy, bit for bit. Many storage devices that are designed to work with PC's provide full error correction, including hard disk to hard disk copying.

A DVHS deck cannot do error correction. You will probably not get a bit for bit copy of an R5000 recording if you copy it from PC hard disk to DVHS and back again. However, it is likely that you won't notice the errors, because the deck and/or the decoder will conceal those errors upon playback.

Gary Murrell

10-09-05, 06:53 PM

Fanatic if you have a better solution for playback I would like to hear it, I see the MYHD, one of those setup Network players or D-VHS, as th eonly option

I have nearly grown tired of D-VHS(after many years of enjoyment), time for time transferring of movies to tape, tape related problems Etc.

Hard Drives are down to 80$ ea. for 250GB Sata's, thats around 4$ per movie, and with Sata Hot-Swapping you only use the drive you want to watch a movie on with the MyHD

The Myhd also gives me a free DVI Switch :)

I record a wide variety of movies, Tons from HBO/HDNet Movies mosty, then some Showtime(it takes 8 try's to get a good capture from them), so I don't get alot from Showtime, which I am basically sick of putting up with from Dish :mad:

I would love to get 19 movies or so per the 238GB drives, I am going sata and I am going to setup Hot Swapping with the MYHD, so my drives will rarely get used

-Gary

Gary Murrell

10-09-05, 08:24 PM

mdv

10-10-05, 01:43 AM

I just started using the PVR app and I'm suddenly getting lots of errors on HBOHD and SHOHD. I never used to get these errors when not using the PVR. I think I just found out why. Even though the 148 satelite channel numbers show up in the zap2it interface, when you select them for recording, the 110 channels are what end up getting queued. When I manually schedule a recording, I always select the 148 channels and they seem to work much more reliably.

Has anyone been able to successfully schedule 148 versions of HBOHD or SHOHD?

Mark

Gary Murrell

10-10-05, 01:47 AM

under 240$ for 130 with DVI card, from dealer not person
Yeah I saw that guy on Ebay, I was going to pick that up but my source was the same price basically

Damn you Damn you Mark :(, I don't think there is any possibility of me getting 148 in the east, my elevation is like 12 degrees, I really should try though because Showtime on 110 is a joke, if 148 is any better(like all you guys say) then that would be great

HBO never has errors for me, I mean 95% perfect remuxer logs

I don't keep any captures that even have the "forcing send" (audio or video) in the remuxer log and certainly not anything with remuxer restarts

-Gary

HDTVFanAtic

10-10-05, 02:42 AM

I don't think there is any possibility of me getting 148 in the east, my elevation is like 12 degrees, I really should try though because Showtime on 110 is a joke, if 148 is any better(like all you guys say) then that would be great

148 supplies about 1.0 to 1.5 more Mbps than 110 on average.

A big enough dish and a low enough noise level on the lnb and you should have no issue.

I cannot believe you would have a harder time picking it up than I would.

Of course, if you really are in the middle of nowhere, i don't know why you wouldnt do C-Band in the first place.

HDTVFanAtic

10-10-05, 02:51 AM

Even though the 148 satelite channel numbers show up in the zap2it interface, when you select them for recording, the 110 channels are what end up getting queued. When I manually schedule a recording, I always select the 148 channels and they seem to work much more reliably.

Has anyone been able to successfully schedule 148 versions of HBOHD or SHOHD?

Sounds like a suggestion for for the next update.

Just like the x:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc\hosts. file can redirect dns lookup in Windows, a table to translate channels from Zap2it for the R5000 would work nicely.

Gary Murrell

10-10-05, 04:28 AM

C-Band would be my first choice, I live in the middle of nowhere, one thing there is plenty of is trees :), I have so much trouble with these small dishes as it is

Superdish's, all in one's ?? thats funny for me, I have separate 22" Dish's for each of 110/119/129/61.5 and looks like now I need to try 148 as well

Does 148 actually show up as having less errors on Showtime/HBO??, it would be worth it if it had 10% less errors, as I cannot get a decent capture from Showtime anymore on 110, I am very close to dropping Showtime because of the errors and ****** schedule

but there are talks of moving all the HD stuff from 148/61.5 to 129, which I just got up the other day and is where I am now getting Voom

-Gary

Gary Murrell

10-10-05, 04:42 AM

Mark I got it all figured out for you sir

in the PVR program
Go to the guide under tools, hit the launch Zap quide

hit accept if that pops up in the browser/window, if not it will start you on the login page, login to your zap account

go to custimze under your account after you enter into it

you will see a page that says:

See my listings, edit my profile, change provider, edit my stations Etc.

Click on edit my stations on the next page

all you need to do is enter the relevant channel number's for HBO and Showtime and click update at the very bottom of the page

after this the PVR will send that channel number to the receiver when it starts the recoridng session

it's pretty simple

-Gary

MarkV

10-10-05, 09:46 AM

Could you give me some more details on how to renumber? All that change did for me is allow me to reorder my stations on my gridlist. When I click "rec", the event still has the incorrect channel. For me (on DirecTV), instead of channel 70 for HBOHD, I get 509. I just edit it each time it occurs.

Mark

mdv

10-10-05, 11:34 AM

Gary,

This still doesn't work for me.

By default, my guide shows two entries for say SHOHD, 9460 and 9430. If I uncheck the box for display of the 9460 it still shows up anyway. If I change both SHOHD channel numbers to 9430, then I only see 9430 show up; however, if I click on the REC button for 9430, 9460 still gets entered as the channel number.

Mark

Mark I got it all figured out for you sir

in the PVR program
Go to the guide under tools, hit the launch Zap quide

hit accept if that pops up in the browser/window, if not it will start you on the login page, login to your zap account

go to custimze under your account after you enter into it

you will see a page that says:

See my listings, edit my profile, change provider, edit my stations Etc.

Click on edit my stations on the next page

all you need to do is enter the relevant channel number's for HBO and Showtime and click update at the very bottom of the page

after this the PVR will send that channel number to the receiver when it starts the recoridng session

it's pretty simple

-Gary

ctdish

10-10-05, 11:42 AM

Gary,
If you can find a hole in the trees the 148 satellite should be no problem where you are. I can get it here with a 30 inch dish. But the elevation angle is only 1.8 degrees and atmospheric refraction causes it to fade in and out much of the time. C band won't go through trees either but the signal quality is more consistant than Dish. John

balazer

10-10-05, 05:47 PM

Gary,

Remember that all hard disks are living on borrowed time. They will fail eventually, even if you don't use them very much. I know I couldn't stand to lose 250 GB worth of recordings.

Gary Murrell

10-10-05, 06:55 PM

I am still not certain you guys are going this right

The zap guide doesn't know the difference if you just change the channel number, all this is doing is changing the number that the PVR sends to the Dish receiver when it starts recording

this works just fine for me, as I had to change a few numbers that weren't right

-Gary

MarkV

10-10-05, 08:03 PM

All it seems to do for me is reorder them for display in the grid, but testing to be sure that's the case.

And how do you send subchannels?

HDTVFanAtic

10-10-05, 08:47 PM

Does 148 actually show up as having less errors on Showtime/HBO??, it would be worth it if it had 10% less errors, as I cannot get a decent capture from Showtime anymore on 110, I am very close to dropping Showtime because of the errors and ****** schedule

but there are talks of moving all the HD stuff from 148/61.5 to 129, which I just got up the other day and is where I am now getting Voom

As you have noted, there are virtually no errors on HBO whether on 110 or 148.

Showtime has the same errors on both and its beyond me why they have those issues on Showtime and not HBO as it clearly shows up on their HD-DVRs and causes video lock up/desyncs in their 6000s and other STBs.

I would absolutely do it with a 1meter dish for stabilty - especially for the reasons CTDish noted as shooting through that much lower atmosphere will cause more issues than trying to shoot up at a higher angle.

mdv

10-10-05, 10:20 PM

Gary,

I know you don't have 148 yet but can you see if you can get the zap guide to queue SHOHD on 9430?

I'm not sure if it's the zap guide or the PVR app that is causing the problem for me.

Mark

I am still not certain you guys are going this right

The zap guide doesn't know the difference if you just change the channel number, all this is doing is changing the number that the PVR sends to the Dish receiver when it starts recording

this works just fine for me, as I had to change a few numbers that weren't right

-Gary

Gary Murrell

10-11-05, 01:53 AM

Mark, it doesn't matter what the Zap guide says, both HBO/Show are the same channel on 110/148, both have same times and schedule because they are a identical channel

All you need to do is log into the zap guide and edit your preferences to tell the Zap guide when it sends the program info to the r5000-hd PVR app that it needs to use a certain channel number

All this is for is so that when the recording starts and is sent from the r5000-hd PVR, it will change the channel number for whatever you typed in, you only need to change this once

here is how you do it, it is so simple:

go to this link:

http://tvlistings.zap2it.com/iepg/zipcode.asp?partner_id=iEPG

log into Zap guide

http://home.bigsandybb.com/gmurrell/login.jpg

then you will see:

http://home.bigsandybb.com/gmurrell/preferences.jpg

Click on edit my stations and you will see the number the the guide sends to the Dish 6000 receiver:

http://home.bigsandybb.com/gmurrell/edit.jpg

Edit these channels to whatever is correct for you and your channel numbers, then scroll to the bottom and click update:

http://home.bigsandybb.com/gmurrell/update.jpg

then from now one the zap guide will send the correct channel number to the PVR app and it will change to the correct channel when recording

-Gary

MarkV

10-11-05, 10:19 AM

I just tried that. I changed HBOHD at 509 (DirecTV) to 70 and hit update. I then added a program through the grid for HBOHD at 509. It still tuned to 509.

For me, all that it does is change my grid priority ordering. HBOHD at 509 now shows up beside HBOHD at channel 70 in the "See Grid" listings.

Actually, if you look at the info you're editing (see previous post), the title of the column is "Custom Sort Order" which is what it appears to be doing for me.

No biggy and thanks for trying to help.

mdv

10-11-05, 11:41 AM

Gary, I've already done that and like I said, it doesn't work. Sure, I see the correct channel number on the zap guide now but the PVR app always uses the wrong one.

Would you please see if you can get the zap guide to send channel 9430 to the PVR app scheduler?

Also, the 110/148 versions of SHOHD ARE different channels. How else would I be able to tune to either one using my 6000. They have duplicate programming but they are separate 'channels' from the viewpoint of the 6000 STB.

Mark

Mark, it doesn't matter what the Zap guide says, both HBO/Show are the same channel on 110/148, both have same times and schedule because they are a identical channel

All you need to do is log into the zap guide and edit your preferences to tell the Zap guide when it sends the program info to the r5000-hd PVR app that it needs to use a certain channel number

All this is for is so that when the recording starts and is sent from the r5000-hd PVR, it will change the channel number for whatever you typed in, you only need to change this once

-Gary

PeterS

10-11-05, 11:59 AM

Is there any way to configure Zap2It for OTA HD (i.e. 7-1, 7-2, etc.)?

Thanks

docchak

10-11-05, 12:34 PM

Is there any way to configure Zap2It for OTA HD (i.e. 7-1, 7-2, etc.)?

Thanks
I use the edit event features from the PVR program. For example my NBC HD here is 12-1, the zap to it always change my channel to 12 which is SD, I have to edit the event to 12-1, there seems to be no easier way around that.Tried to use edit my channel but the PVR would not accept '-1', so there you go.

tasm

10-11-05, 05:59 PM

After i record an HD program with the DHG HD500,will i be able to transfer it to a DVD recorder onto a DVD? If so,would the quality be at least DVD quality?

mdv

10-11-05, 07:35 PM

I don't know what the DHG HD500 is. I think you have the wrong forum.

Mark

After i record an HD program with the DHG HD500,will i be able to transfer it to a DVD recorder onto a DVD? If so,would the quality be at least DVD quality?

Gary Murrell

10-12-05, 01:27 AM

I will have to monkey around with this when I get my 148 setup, I can't think of anything else to add to this until then

-Gary

MarkV

10-13-05, 07:38 PM

I finally got around to putting together a large RAID 5 array for serious storage.

I'm capturing from DirecTV and using HDTVtoMPEG2 to trim the Non-movie stuff off each end of the ts stream. but keeping the full TS stream with null packets in .ts format. Are there any issues others have seen with using HDTVtoMpeg2 (1_11-beta3) in this manner? I'd hate to find out down the line that the conversion pooched something. Everything seems fine for the most part, but I'm not doing anything interesting with the audio yet.

My next project is to figure out how to read a .ts file, strip out the null packets, but put the info about them in another file where they can be reintegrated into the original ts stream. I figure this would result in better file sizes with the ability to regenerate the original ts stream. Have to see how hard this would be to write. Gzip is just too slow on the compress/decompress to make it useable.

Mark

Cris Moore

10-13-05, 08:08 PM

My next project is to figure out how to read a .ts file, strip out the null packets, but put the info about them in another file where they can be reintegrated into the original ts stream. I figure this would result in better file sizes with the ability to regenerate the original ts stream. Have to see how hard this would be to write. Gzip is just too slow on the compress/decompress to make it useable.
NullPacketSaver (http://users.adelphia.net/~mwilczyn/nullpacketsaver/)

balazer

10-13-05, 08:31 PM

I'm capturing from DirecTV and using HDTVtoMPEG2 to trim the Non-movie stuff off each end of the ts stream. but keeping the full TS stream with null packets in .ts format. Are there any issues others have seen with using HDTVtoMpeg2 (1_11-beta3) in this manner?
It's always worked perfectly for me.

Gary Murrell

10-13-05, 10:08 PM

HDTVtoMPEG2 is working perfectly for me to edit start and end, but it doesn't work for me on splitting without causing errors

for editing start and end of .TS files, it cannot be beat

-Gary

MarkV

10-13-05, 10:37 PM

Thanks Cris. Saves me a lot of learning and work.

stjr

10-13-05, 10:45 PM

Cris has also stated that if you are using H2 v1.11, "you will end up with a VBR file EVEN if you select to include the NULL packets and select all of the PIDs because H2 v1.11 is still removing PIDs that I don't list like SST, RRT, EIT, and EET packets." http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=4636580&&#post4636580

I edit and split my 19.3Mbps CBR R5000 files using HDTVtoMPEG2 1.09 beta.

Cris Moore

10-14-05, 01:13 AM

If you set the "PreserveBitRate" option, H2 (v1.11.41 and newer) will substitute NULL packets for any PID that was stripped (SST, RRT, EIT, etc) and the CBR output will be maintained.

stjr

10-14-05, 02:20 AM

Thanks for the update Cris. I would try one of the newer versions if I could find a link.

balazer

10-14-05, 02:25 AM

HDTVtoMPEG2 is working perfectly for me to edit start and end, but it doesn't work for me on splitting without causing errors
Gary,

Are the errors you're talking about just the discontinuities that are created by HDTVtoMPEG2's simple chopping & splicing approach, or is it something more?

Gary Murrell

10-14-05, 06:28 AM

Cris Moore

10-14-05, 02:24 PM

The current technique that H2 uses to "cut" TS files always causes errors in the AC3 stream. This will be a problem until H2 implements a more intelligent cutting technique, including timestamp correction.

Cris Moore

10-14-05, 02:32 PM

Thanks for the update Cris. I would try one of the newer versions if I could find a link. HDTVtoMPEG2_1.11-Beta3.zip (http://www.eecs.umich.edu/~balazer/HDTVtoMPEG2/)

balazer

10-14-05, 02:48 PM

Balazer, we had a discussion on this before and never really got anywhere :)

the program mainly causes AC3 errors, I think that is the main problem

when recombining the split files into one and running it thru mpeg2repair it shows AC3 errors at the split points

I think you tried to get these same results and didn't get errors, maybe I need to tinker with it somemore, I only have R5000-HD .TS files from Dish Network

-Gary
O.k., the issue is that HDTVtoMPEG2 creates discontinuities at its splice points, as Cris mentioned. These are not errors, per se, but discontinuities that different decoders handle with different amounts of grace.

Previously we were discussing a different issue, the fabled errors at file split points, which I still contend do not exist.

HDTVFanAtic

10-14-05, 03:20 PM

Did you work on Clinton's legal team when he wanted to know what the meaning of "is" was?

If it looks like a horse, smells like a horse, rides like a horse....it's probably a horse.

balazer

10-14-05, 04:29 PM

No, I read the MPEG-2 system spec. It says very clearly what's a horse and what's not a horse.

Cris Moore

10-14-05, 04:42 PM

MarkV

10-14-05, 05:15 PM

I only cut at the start and end for content that matters. The AC3 stream at the discontinuities doesn't last more than a few seconds around those discontinuities I imagine, so it's relatively moot for me.

On another note - is anyone using a software decoder solution that can playback files that are being written by a R5000-HD? My MyHD does this, but I need something that can use a software decoder also. WMP won't.

Thanks,
Mark

Techtom

10-14-05, 05:17 PM

Balazer is correct. Technically (per specs) the cuts that H2 creates are considered "discontinuities" in the transport stream and it's up to the decoder on how graceful it handles these discontinuities. But then again, a decent editing tool should be able to minimize or eliminate these discontinuities. H2 isn't there yet.

Cris & Balazer,
It's sounds like it time for you and the other guys who worked on H2 to start your own support thread :) Wizziwig has one for his cool mpegRepair tool.

Stating the obvious, in the first post please put the version history, current version, known bugs and a link to all the versions ( some still use 1.09). I like when folks keep the first post current with all the helpful info (in addition to posting "new version available") Send Ken H a note and he'll add it to the helpful links.

Thanks,

Techtom

Cris Moore

10-14-05, 05:37 PM

There is a thread HDTVtoMPEG2 latest version (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=395744&highlight=hdtvtompeg2) but the first post hasn't been updated in a long time.

NOT your responsibility Balazar!

stjr

10-14-05, 05:39 PM

Techtom,

I think that it is not OT to discuss the splitting of R5000 files in this thread, because file splitting cannot be accomplished automatically in the R5000 application, as is permitted in the MyHD or Fusion applications. This is an issue unique to the R5000.

docchak

10-14-05, 05:47 PM

Well you guys talked me into it :)

I just ordered a new 130 and Daughtercard for a Superb price, much lower than I thought for both the pieces

I will of course let everyone know how much I like it when I receive it, first up is a bunch of Bikini Destinations episodes on DVD-R ;)

I will be routing the Myhd thru my Iscan HD scaler, which has chroma bug correction a midst a bunch of other controls including complete reduction of overscan on my CRT RPTV :D

-Gary

Hi Gary,
I have MyHD for 2 weeks now, just love it. The only caveat is I hooked up MyHD to my 60" sony wega HDTV, in HD full screen mode I am seeing a vertical pixellation to the far right border of the screen, I called Nextcom support, he insisted that the problem is with the MyHD card. Although, MyHD card could display the other .TS stream just fine, the OTA came in just fine, the .TS stream that I captured from cable TV was fine. Do you have the same experience I am having?

Thanks,
Chuck

docchak

10-14-05, 05:57 PM

Hi guys,

Any suggestion on where to get a swappable SATA drive, a built in drawer would be neat, where you just drop the oem drive into the drawer lock the key up and good to go. I remembered seeing something like that but kind of lose tract of it?

HDTVFanAtic

10-15-05, 01:52 AM

Hi Gary,
I have MyHD for 2 weeks now, just love it. The only caveat is I hooked up MyHD to my 60" sony wega HDTV, in HD full screen mode I am seeing a vertical pixellation to the far right border of the screen, I called Nextcom support, he insisted that the problem is with the MyHD card. Although, MyHD card could display the other .TS stream just fine, the OTA came in just fine, the .TS stream that I captured from cable TV was fine. Do you have the same experience I am having?

Thanks,
Chuck

Out of more than idle curiosity, do you have the 120 or 130 card? Are you using the DVI Daughterboard? Does your Sony have a DVI or HDMI input? Are you putting 2 channel audio to the TV input through Input 7 (I suppose this is like the typical Sony Input Module)? Have you recorded the Test Patterns from HDNET on Tuesday Morning via the R5000HD and played them back to see how the image sits on the Sony? And finally, are you talking D* or E* here?

I realize a lot of questions, but there is a method to the madness.

Gary Murrell

10-15-05, 02:21 AM

I am now firmly in the MYHD camp, this thing rocks and seems to be playing back R5000-HD captures pretty much error free and from DVD-R's at that

I use the MYHD 130 with DVI card inptting into my Mits 65813, the playback is every bit as good as anything else, maybe just a hair(2%) less than the JVC 5U D-VHS deck with DVI output, the MYHD DOES have the chroma bug though, but it is very very slight

I will be upgrading my DVDO Scaler soon and it features a chroma bug filter, which will fix that right up

to answer your question, I cannot tell if the MYHD card has what you are experiencing because it is pushed really far to the right, like for example the HDNet test pattern shows 12% overscan on the right and 1% on the left, after I get this fixed and the MYHD output centered on the screen I will see about that

All in All the MYHD card kicks serious ass with DVI output, can't wait to get it running thru my Iscan scaler to underscan the image, adjust some picture controls and turn on the CUE filter

-Gary

docchak

10-15-05, 03:46 AM

Out of more than idle curiosity, do you have the 120 or 130 card?
It's a 130

Are you using the DVI Daughterboard?
Yes,

Does your Sony have a DVI or HDMI input?
DVI input

Are you putting 2 channel audio to the TV input through Input 7 (I suppose this is like the typical Sony Input Module)?
Nope, It 's digital coaxial out from the daughter board, into my Onkyo amp.

Have you recorded the Test Patterns from HDNET on Tuesday Morning via the R5000HD and played them back to see how the image sits on the Sony?
Nope, sorry, I don't know the thing exists, what time does it come on, will certainly look into it.

And finally, are you talking D* or E* here?

It's D*

I realize a lot of questions, but there is a method to the madness.

thanks

docchak

10-15-05, 07:32 AM

I stayed up late last night finally I figured out my own problem. I was watching the OSD on MyHD to the left the source of video stated 1920:1080i to the right MyHD setting was 1280:720p, hmm, this does not match, once I went into the AV setup swithch the setting to 1920:1080i something like that, eureka, the pixellation disappered, this must have saved me at least $300, since I was getting ready to ditch the MyHD and getting the Roku, the JVC 40k or you name it. This thing rocks man :-)

CZ Eddie

10-16-05, 08:32 AM

Joseph Clark

10-16-05, 11:06 AM

How would you guys rate the MyHD130 vs playback from DVHS when it comes to panning scenes?

Also, is there a FAQ anywhere that will help me get started on DVHS recording? This is a mighty long thread with a ton of info, that will be helpful for when I have problems. But is intimidating for someone who is just starting.

I'm waiting to see if R5000 has a sale before I send them my Dish 6000 for modification (Gary talked me into R5000 instead of 169time). But I just bought a JVC 5U and a whole bunch of blank tapes. I plan to do recording from OTA for right now, then activate a Dish account after moving to a new house in a couple months.

I've considered the MyHD130 as a temp alternative to the R5000, since I'm only after OTA for right now.
Thanks!

Google D-VHS and Windows XP for a step by step guide to install the XP driver for a D-VHS deck through FireWire (it's easy and you won't have to download a driver - it's built in). Plug up your D-VHS deck and install the driver. Now you can use DVHSTool to transfer the material. You will need a couple of decoders for that to work (such as the decoders built in with PowerDVD.

Gary Murrell

10-16-05, 11:29 AM

Eddie you don't need a long thread for D-VHS recording, you can be up in minutes recording to D-VHS from R5000-HD, someone of your knowledge should have no problem whatsoever, it is that easy and straight forward

DID I SAY BEFORE THAT THE MYHD CARD KICKS ASS??? :eek: :eek:

what the hell was I thinking not picking this beauty up long ago, I have watched 4 movies from my R5000-HD setup and they were all 100% perfect, and I mean perfect, no Bull-****!!

The MYHD card is the way to go, I only keep 100% perfect Remuxer log recordings and that is what the MYHD card gives me on playback, I AM AMAZED, so much so that I have a new Signature

Eddie 1080i is never going to be good/perfect on panning scenes, it doesn't matter the playback device, 1080i has interlaced artifacts, this has never bothered me though like some folks

-Gary

docchak

10-16-05, 02:25 PM

MyHD 130 with daughter card is the way to go, you got DVI out, you also get audio both coaxial and optical out , I'm sold. You do not need to mess with pan and scanning either. :D :D :D

MarkV

10-16-05, 02:31 PM

Gary,

You reference using the remuxer log to check for perfect recordings. What advantage does the full remuxer log have over the standard log.txt info?

Also, looking at the log, which errors are critical? FIFO_FULLs make me nervous that some data got dropped on the floor. Also, some other items such as Restarting remuxer and APESXXXX.

balazer

10-16-05, 04:04 PM

How would you guys rate the MyHD130 vs playback from DVHS when it comes to panning scenes?
Panning? I expect you are talking about the judder apparent with some software playback systems. The MyHD output is perfectly smooth - same as any other dedicated hardware decoder.

Gary Murrell

10-17-05, 12:21 AM

Yes he was speaking of judder I think, the MYHD is fine in this regard, no different then playback from a JVC D-VHS decoder, software decoders are bad in this regard

but like I said 1080i has interlaced artifacts, a good look at the 1080i Video essentials tape will show exactly what I mean

-Gary

Gary Murrell

10-17-05, 12:28 AM

Mark, the standard log is totally useless

The Remuxer log tells all, you want a perfect remuxer log, a perfect log will look like this:

record file F:\HDTV\Dennis the Menace.ts using DISH6K from E*, started: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 06:20:24
INIT: 1920 x 1080, 18000000, 7995392, 40000
Wrote 00:00:31.3
Wrote 00:01:02.0
Wrote 00:01:33.3
Wrote 00:02:04.0
Wrote 00:02:35.3
Wrote 00:03:06.0
Wrote 00:03:37.3
Wrote 00:04:08.0
Wrote 00:04:39.3
Wrote 00:05:10.1
Wrote 00:05:41.4
Wrote 00:06:12.1
Wrote 00:06:43.4
Wrote 00:07:14.1
Wrote 00:07:45.4
Wrote 00:08:16.1
Wrote 00:08:47.4
Wrote 00:09:18.1
Wrote 00:09:49.4
Wrote 00:10:20.2

this is fine also:

VPESBHNDBY: 7140 AT: 00:03:23.2

you don't want errors like:

VPESDELTWARN: 01:20:34.3: Video dts 4850149906, next_dts 1401631549, delta=846448939, pcr 4850109847, forcing send...

or

Restarting (1) remuxer at 01:20:34.3

or

APESDELTWARN: 00:01:01.0: Audio pts 3881380377, next_pts 3881524378, delta=144001, pcr 3881374917, forcing send...

just check the whole log for each recording after it has finished and see what is up

-Gary

R5000-HD

10-19-05, 04:30 PM

The beta version release supporting both HD and SD capture from the Motorola HDD-200 decoder has been posted in the download area of the support page. (http://www.nextcomwireless.com/r5000/support.htm)

This version supports recording both HD and SD streams as presented from C-Band (4DTV) and StarChoice receivers that are compatible with the HDD-200 external decoder. Select the new service type "HDD-200 (New HD & SD - All sources)" as opposed to older modifications "(First generation, HD only)". Any hardware modification performed after August 15, 2005 will require the use of the "new" setting.

There is no reason for other users to migrate to this beta. It only applies to modifications done to HDD-200 decoders.

-R

R5000-HD

11-07-05, 03:28 PM

Owners of a 169time modified receiver can now upgrade (http://www.nextcomwireless.com/r5000/sales.htm#Upgrade) to the Nextcom R5000-HD for the low price of only $375.00! Upgrade your HD recording system now to get:

Full PVR functionality
SD recording capability on all services
Ease of setup and use
Highest quality Disk or Tape based captures
Improved disk to D-VHS transfers

Terms and Conditions: Any 169time hardware becomes the property of Nextcom, LLC and will not be returned. This applies only to hardware actually installed in the STB receiver and not to any other system components (e.g. AVX-1 PC, etc). To be eligible, the receiver must be a model that Nextcom currently offers the R5000-HD modification for (model list (http://www.nextcomwireless.com/r5000/products.htm#Compatibility) ), and it must have the 169time modification installed in it. This offer subject to termination without notice.

-R

flabingo

11-07-05, 04:50 PM

Wonderful. What are the shipping instructions. David

R5000-HD

11-23-05, 12:13 PM

Version 2.2d DVR now available. download (http://www.nextcomwireless.com/r5000/support_download.htm)

Support for most Motorola Set Top Boxes: DTC2000 series Digital Cable, StarChoice DSR series, 4DTV (905, 920, 922) receivers. A newly developed hardware modification is required for these boxes. Full PVR capability is supported along with both HD and SD capture.

SD capture now supported via the HDD-200 decoder. For hardware modifications done after 8/15/2005.

External MPEG2 decoder. D-VHS deck can be configured as an external decoder for high-quality playback using the Disk2Tape utility or the R5000's built-in media Player. Real-time preview can also be sent to external decoder.

STB Power down option. STB can be programmed to power-down after a PVR initiated recording. This is useful for receivers that require powering down to start their software upgrade routines.

About Cable mods: (http://www.nextcomwireless.com/r5000/cableinfo.htm) Only Motorola Digital cable is supported and only non-5C (no Firewire port) boxes will be modified. Most all DTC2000 series STBs and certain early model HD boxes without the Firewire port installed qualify. The DTC2000 series SD boxes are designed to deliver HD to an external decoder (HDD-200). The modification is performed on the cable box itself and the high-speed port does not have to be activated. To record a high-def channel, it only has to be authorized on the box. Even though suscribed to, certain HD tier channels may not be authorized on an SD box unless it is specificaly authorized to be used with the external decoder. Check with your cable provider to see if it possible to have these "HD only" channels authorized.

Leased Boxes: Just about all cable boxes are leased by the customer through their cable provider. You may or may not be able to convince them to activate customer owned equipment (recent laws may change this). When installed in a DTC2000, the R5000-HD modification is performed in a manner which allows it to be removed without a trace (no holes made in the chassis). There is no extra fee for removing the modification before turning in a leased box, and it is highly recommended you do so.

StarChoice and 4DTV (905, 920, 922) receivers can now be modified directly (do not require the use of the HDD-200 external decoder). 5C-enabled boxes (Firewire port) will not be accepted.

Version 2.1c PVR:
Can now edit old events or events in progress to create a new event. Opportunity to fix a conflicting event rather than completely re-entering it.

Fixes a unique conflict resolution problem for weekly events (overlapping time, different days).

Enables sub-channel for Dish OTA (to match their recent software update). Sub-channel and satellite selection boxes enabled to properly match requirements of new services.

Recovery file added. Working changes saved to a safety file, "temp.pvr". The "default.pvr" file is updated upon exit. Events can usually be recovered from the "temp.pvr" file in the event of a system crash, etc.

Introductory Price Special: Motorola STBs receive an additional $100 off the current pricing! See sales page (http://www.nextcomwireless.com/r5000/sales.htm) for details.

Status: Release versions. There are no betas at this time. Upgrading is recommended for all users.

-R

Gary Murrell

11-23-05, 02:04 PM

So if I am understanding this correctly, the hdd-200 is no longer needed for recording HDTV from C-Band 4DTV??

-Gary

R5000-HD

11-28-05, 12:46 AM

For those of you who are interested in PQ comparisons between identical MPEG-4 and MPEG-2 material, a few sample streams, as captured by the R5000-HD, are available here (http://www.nextcomwireless.com/r5000/samples.htm#MPEG-4%20Comparison) (see "MPEG-4 Comparison").

The captures are from E* and only SD is available at this point but we've made available a sample MPEG-4 stream along with some MPEG-2 streams of identical material for comparison purposes. The MPEG-4 stream rate is 1.9Mb/s and the MPEG-2 material clocks in at 2.5Mb/s. Both were captured using the R5000-HD at different times and the MPEG-4 stream is an actual capture, NOT transcoded MPEG-2 material. Our first impression is that MPEG-4 does noticably worse with motion. Take a look at the woman's soccer promo or the fight promo especially (you'll have to play each MPEG-2 stream to duplicate the material shown in the MPEG-4 clip).

To play the MPEG-4 clip you'll need the Elecard MPEG Player (http://www.elecard.com/products/product.php?product_id=144). Make sure to dowload both the Player and the "AVC Plugin". You can buy or just test drive them.

-R

Sgt_Strider

11-28-05, 05:31 AM

if I want to record two HD channels at the same time, I'm guessing I will need two modified Bell 6000 receiver right? Since each receiver has one tuner?

HDTVFanAtic

11-29-05, 01:07 AM

if I want to record two HD channels at the same time, I'm guessing I will need two modified Bell 6000 receiver right? Since each receiver has one tuner?

Good Guess

dvwannab

12-13-05, 11:38 PM

R5000-HD or anyone else. See the thread here: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=616427 concerning E* announcement of MPEG4 implementation with Voom and ESPN2HD coming in January 2006. How does this affect the mod? Will we have to send our boxes back in for re-mod or just SOL? :eek:

HDTVFanAtic

12-14-05, 04:43 AM

Your stb doesn't receive mpeg4 and that part isnt going to change.

As stated long ago by R5000HD, the current MPEG2 channels will be around for a long time.

Everyone knew the new channels would most likely be mpeg4.

Gary Murrell

12-14-05, 09:34 AM

dahester

12-15-05, 09:42 PM

Support for most Motorola Set Top Boxes: DTC2000 series Digital Cable, StarChoice DSR series, 4DTV (905, 920, 922) receivers. A newly developed hardware modification is required for these boxes. Full PVR capability is supported along with both HD and SD capture.

R,
If I'm using a StarChoice DSR-530HD PVR, can I transfer recordings from the PVR's internal hard disc to my PC?

It seems that if I just started playback of a time-shifted event that, depending on where the data is tapped inside the PVR, the R5000HD should be able to capture the time-shifted recording as if it were live. Can you confirm this capability?

-Dylan

HDTVFanAtic

12-15-05, 10:48 PM

The Voom 15 and ESPN 2 WILL NOT BE mpeg4, this was confirmed by a contact at Dish, Charlie had a slip of tongue on the chat

confirmed and believes are words with different meanings.

R5000-HD

12-16-05, 12:25 AM

R,
If I'm using a StarChoice DSR-530HD PVR, can I transfer recordings from the PVR's internal hard disc to my PC?

It seems that if I just started playback of a time-shifted event that, depending on where the data is tapped inside the PVR, the R5000HD should be able to capture the time-shifted recording as if it were live. Can you confirm this capability?

-Dylan

You won't be able to off-load recordings from the internal drive. But then after you have the R5000 installed there's no need to use the 530's PVR function anymore :)

dahester

12-16-05, 12:58 AM

You won't be able to off-load recordings from the internal drive. But then after you have the R5000 installed there's no need to use the 530's PVR function anymore :)

Thanks for the prompt response. It looks like the 505HD, at 1/3 the cost of a 530HD, is the better deal anyway. Can you speculate on the future MPEG4 capturing capability of the 505HD?

-Dylan

balazer

12-16-05, 11:35 AM

Don't the Starchoice DSR-505 and 530 have an HDCP DVI output?

HDTVFanAtic

12-16-05, 01:36 PM

Yes they do and I was thinking the same thing....but glad this is no longer an obstacle.

Gary Murrell

12-16-05, 08:10 PM

Hey Nextcom guys how about modding a Dish 921 for example ??, no HDCP involved!!

do you guys have any thoughts or plans on upgrading any newer Dish receivers??

-Gary

balazer

12-16-05, 08:22 PM

Yes they do and I was thinking the same thing....but glad this is no longer an obstacle.As far as I knew, Nextcom will not modify a box with a copy protected output.

Kirby Baker

12-16-05, 08:24 PM

I think thats changed a bit.

Gary Murrell

12-16-05, 10:08 PM

No Dish receivers have a copy protected output(non have HDCP), can't confirm that on a 811(don't own one) but the 921 and 942 DO NOT have HDCP

Don't have the new 411(mpeg4) yet either, but I doubt it has HDCP either

-Gary

R5000-HD

12-18-05, 07:05 PM

The Voom 15 and ESPN 2 WILL NOT BE mpeg4, this was confirmed by a contact at Dish, Charlie had a slip of tongue on the chat

basically the same as with Directv, mpeg4 will be used for HD locals

The HD local nationals from NY/LA will be mpeg2 also(just like CBS HD right now on Dish), living in the sticks I will be glad to get those

-Gary

E* is warming up the transponders for Voom21. All of the Channels so far are MPEG-2. The following channels are currently being transmitted:

TorQ HD
World Sport HD
Treasure HD
KungFu HD
Lab HD
Family HD
Coda HD
Renew HD
World Cinema HD
Cosmic HD
Gameplay HD
Sizzle HD

(ESPN2 too)

It's not clear if all the channels will make the final cut, as Charlie has been changing the names and moving them around in the last week. But we believe that they will be on-line prior to CES (e.g. Jan 1st)

None of the channels are in mpeg4

Warmup your mpeg-2 recording solution (http://www.r5000-hd.com) More recordable HD content is on the way...

-R

R5000-HD

12-19-05, 11:01 PM

A beta version of the PVR (2.2) supporting TitanTV integration is available for download. (http://www.nextcomwireless.com/r5000/support.htm)

In order to use advanced features like single click recording and Remote Scheduling you must sign up for a free TitanTV account. Remote Scheduling allows users to add recordings from anywhere Internet access is available. The PVR polls the TitanTV server at regular intervals to retrieve any scheduled events. Port 80 (www) is used so no special firewall considerations are required. Setup is accessed from the "Tools" menu.

The Zap2it EPG is still supported and is required for C-band and Canadian satellite scheduling. An additional option selects which guide is launched but parsing of the 2 different TVPI files is automatic.

-R

avkv

12-22-05, 01:16 AM

R5000,
You guys are the best! The one bad thing about the system was that broken Zap2It site, and you have now taken care of that. Thank you!

Kevin

HDTVFanAtic

12-22-05, 02:52 AM

R5000,
You guys are the best!

Kevin

In the beginning (14-15 months ago) there were a few gotchas. However, unlike 169time, Nextcom stepped up to the plate and made a pretty bulletproof system by the beginning of this year.

It is truly a very good system that continues to get better.

docchak

12-22-05, 10:18 AM

Hi guys,

I can not get the remote schedule to work, is there a check list here.It's just said add to schedule then nothing happens. Other than that the titantv is heaven sent.

Thanks,

Chuck

dvwannab

01-06-06, 03:46 PM

E* is warming up the transponders for Voom21. All of the Channels so far are MPEG-2. The following channels are currently being transmitted:

TorQ HD
World Sport HD
Treasure HD
KungFu HD
Lab HD
Family HD
Coda HD
Renew HD
World Cinema HD
Cosmic HD
Gameplay HD
Sizzle HD

(ESPN2 too)

It's not clear if all the channels will make the final cut, as Charlie has been changing the names and moving them around in the last week. But we believe that they will be on-line prior to CES (e.g. Jan 1st)

None of the channels are in mpeg4

Warmup your mpeg-2 recording solution (http://www.r5000-hd.com) More recordable HD content is on the way...

-R

Man, that is good to hear. Over on the Dish DBStalk forum, there was a link that said all the new channels were MPEG4, yada yada yada.

Lets hope charlie doesnt change his mind again on his chat on 1/9 and say MPEG4 like he did last month :mad:

dvwannab

01-06-06, 05:26 PM

Ok guys, just found this for you E* subs out there. Seems from the announcement by E* at CES (1/5) that MPEG4 lives for new HD content.

http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=50347

R5000-HD, any plans where this is concerned or no changes yet? I have not moded yet, as I was waiting to see what was going to happen. This is certainly a downer. But I should add that whenever E* makes these public announcements they never give you the full story. You have to go digging for the "real" meaning of their public releases.

balazer

01-06-06, 10:03 PM

I would imagine that if DISH is in fact going with MPEG-4 for their new channels, their plan would be to gradually wean people off of MPEG-2, encouraging them to buy new hardware for the MPEG-4 channels - analogous to what they did with the transition to 8PSK. MPEG-2 will be around for a good while. They won't be forcing hardware upgrades on existing customers for quite some time.

dvwannab

01-10-06, 10:54 AM

Can anyone that knows tell me what is the intention of D* and MPEG4 conversion and timetable etc?

My intention was to do the R5000 mod on my Dish 6000, but now I'm thinking about D*, since I cannot get ESPN2 in MPEG2 on E*. I am looking to archive the entire World Cup Soccer in June-July in High Definition and the R5000 mod can help me do that.

If I can get D* with ESPN & ESPN2 in MPEG2 and then with the mod I'll be set. Not worried about ABC, as I can get that over-the-air no problem. Thanks.

Ron Tobin

01-10-06, 11:07 AM

It appears that D*'s intention is to put the HD locals on MPEG4 throughout 2006. There's been no hint that any of their current programming will move from MPEG2 to MPEG4. So it should be a pretty safe bet that both ESPN and ESPN2 will remain on MPEG2, at least through the World Cup Soccer event in the summer.

So go ahead and get you STB modded with the R5000. It works great for recording and it's all it's advertised to be. No recording problems whatsoever, and their software is so easy to use.

dvwannab

01-10-06, 01:28 PM

Ron Tobin

01-10-06, 01:53 PM

Thanks for the repsonse Ron. Much appreciated. Any box in particular from this list:

RCA DTC100
ProScan PSH-D105
Hughes HIRD-E86,
HIRD-E8 (Platinum HD)
Toshiba DST-3000
Mitsubishi SR-HD5
Philips DSHD800

Or does it matter?

PS. Which model receiver is D* offering should I decide to get one from them? Thanks.

Any of the ones on the list are fine. My personal favorite is the HIRD-E8. It really gets down to gui of the receiver on its guide and menus, as well as the physical size and looks of the STB, which is really one of personal preference.

D* is offering the E10 and the E20, neither of which are currently on the list for the R5000 mod. Check your PM.

dvwannab

01-10-06, 03:29 PM

Ron, PM returned. Somehow, I am not being notified via email when I get a PM :(

Ron Tobin

01-10-06, 03:34 PM

Ron, PM returned. Somehow, I am not being notified via email when I get a PM :(

I think it's a preference setting in your profile. PM right back to you. Look for it.

dvwannab

01-11-06, 04:04 PM

E* is warming up the transponders for Voom21. All of the Channels so far are MPEG-2. The following channels are currently being transmitted:

TorQ HD
World Sport HD
Treasure HD
KungFu HD
Lab HD
Family HD
Coda HD
Renew HD
World Cinema HD
Cosmic HD
Gameplay HD
Sizzle HD

(ESPN2 too)

It's not clear if all the channels will make the final cut, as Charlie has been changing the names and moving them around in the last week. But we believe that they will be on-line prior to CES (e.g. Jan 1st)

None of the channels are in mpeg4

Warmup your mpeg-2 recording solution (http://www.r5000-hd.com) More recordable HD content is on the way...

-R

I guess R5000 was correct in this post above from about a month ago. Check this discussion (gets heated at times :p ):

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=628298

E* broadcasting new HD channels in MPEG2, but using MPEG4 most likely as compression format. Seems there are no transport streams that is MPEG4 capable, so they use MPEG2 as the transport stream vehicle.

Go figure.

stjr

01-11-06, 05:11 PM

I assume that even if the new Voom and ESPN-2 channels will be transmitted as MPEG-2 streams (with MPEG-4 headers), we will not be able to see or record these channels with our R5000 / Dish 6000 mods. I would be interested to learn about any R5000 modifications that can be used with changes that E* has in mind.

Gary Murrell

01-12-06, 02:32 AM

R5000-HD guys, you need to start modding one of the new Mpeg4 receivers, the new channels will still be mpeg2 for a year, but only the mpeg4 receivers will receive them because of the phony mpeg4 headers ;)

I do realize that the mpeg4 receivers are not even out yet(except the 411)

since the channels are mpeg2 still, we will all not have to change anything hardware wise for playback(D-VHS, MyHD etc.)

But you guys need to mod a new mpeg4 receiver or we are screwed on those new ones ;)

Universal HD will be one of the new phony Mpeg4 channels ;)

-Gary

thurstonw

01-12-06, 05:55 PM

tluxon

01-12-06, 06:51 PM

I've ordered a JVC 40k (largely for VHS -> DVD transfers with DigiPure Technology) and would like to use it for archiving what I don't have room on my PCs for.

I have the Comcast Motorola DCT-6412 dual-tuner HD-DVR and have been archiving on a limited basis via firewire to WinXP for just over a year. I now have a fair amount of HiDef content on my PCs that I'm hoping to be able to view on the home theater HDTV and/or archive to D-VHS tapes.

I have a Hughes HIRD-E86 receiver that I used exclusively for OTA programming prior to getting Comcast HD. I stopped using it once Comcast finally added CBS-HD to its lineup.

Gary mentioned in the "So what's wrong with D-VHS? (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=6776492&highlight=R5000+DVHSTool#post6776492)" thread,the R5000-HD from Nextcom comes with a app for sending stuff from Disk to D-VHS, it is all inclusive and they made their own filters

so what are the Result's when sending movies on HDD to D-VHS using this app on my XP PC ??

100% perfect and I kid you not :)

you must own a R5000-HD modified receiver for the App to work

-GarySo would R5000 be any benefit to someone like me? Or are there other solutions since I don't really use my E86 anymore?

Thanks!

Tim

thurstonw

01-12-06, 08:33 PM

...So would R5000 be any benefit to someone like me? Or are there other solutions since I don't really use my E86 anymore?

Thanks!

Tim

There are other solutions but as long as they use the MS source packet filter they will all suffer from occasional glitches. I believe Nextcom wrote their own filter to correct these special cases. It also apparently handles high-speed streams well. The only problem is that it is embedded in their DVR app (for recording to D-VHS mode) and the Push to Tape utility simply "uses" the DVR to stream the file-based data to tape.

Bottom line is you have to purchase their system to use it.

TW

HDTVFanAtic

01-13-06, 01:22 AM

Gary Murrell

01-13-06, 02:09 AM

once again you have no clue

Universal HD is 1920x1080i mpeg2 and will only be able to be received by the mpeg4 receivers due to the phony mpeg4 headers on the channel

who gives a flying you know what about Voom

-Gary

guptown

01-14-06, 03:54 PM

So far my r5000 modded DTC-100 and JVC 40 K have been working great and I've been able to archive alot of my favorite HD movies and tv shows. i have a few movies on my hard drive that i would like to send to dvhs tape for archiving and also to save space on my hard drive as each movie is between 8-15 GB. Each of the movies is broken up in to several .ts files. I used an older version of HDTV2MPEG2 to comibine the files into one large .ts file. This one large file plays beautifully on the VLC player, no stutters or blockiness. When I use the disk2tape utility to send this file to DVHS I get stutters and breakups and after 15-20 minutes the movie stops altogether. Anyone successful in doing what I am trying to do? Any suggestions?

johnnynuke

01-15-06, 12:19 PM

I believe I had heard of this before. I just recently had my computer reimaged and now have this problem after taking my R5000-HD recording and archiving to DVhs using DVHSTool as well as thru R5000-HD program. Before I had the computer reimaged, I had no problems with the color. I personally believe it's somehow a computer issue. Let me explain. My recorded files now show up as type:MPEG file and icon is different.Before reimage, the type would view as .ts and icon had sort of yellow swirl instead of now which has a yellow disc with film reel below and bordered by pinkish color. The file must clearly be .ts because it still can be archived, but when played back off my JVK 40k, greenish color to it. Even previous .ts recordings I have saved on an external hard drive, view and show with this different icon. I can't even archive from them like I used to.
Any thoughts?

balazer

01-15-06, 12:35 PM

The icon associated with any file extension in Windows is just a Windows setting - controllable in Explorer folder options and the registry. A different icon may be an indication that there is a different default application associated with that file type. But the icon doesn't have anything to do with how any particular application will behave when opening one of those files. It sounds like you have some other kind of software or driver problem.

ctdish

01-15-06, 12:37 PM

I do not think the computer can change the way the 40K displays video. Do old tapes look OK when played back? If not check the cables going from the 40K to the display. By reimaged do you mean you had the HD reloaded with software? The Icon change means the files are associated with a different program. Probably the program they were previously associated with needs reloading as it was not on the media that was used to reload the hard drive. John

johnnynuke

01-16-06, 10:29 PM

ctdish, old tape( 1 DTheater tape I have) does play ok.reimaged does mean all new software loaded on HD.

balazer,ctdish. Thanks, I learned something about the icon. As it turned out, it was a driver/firmware problem. When I rebooted computer again, the driver came up and still not installed. I think what happened is I loaded the firmware/driver for the Directv setting which was default when loaded R5000-HD. Once I changed settings to Bell 6000, all became well.

I also have a problem with lip sync when recording off R5000-HD to DVHS. Whether I use setting on R5000-HD or DVHSTool, the audio will gradually get so out of sync. The further along, the more it gets outs of sync. Oddly enough, if I were to stop the tape, at some point where the audio sync is apparent, and start to play again, the sync issue is gone until perhaps another 20-30 minutes.It can't be a tape transport trouble because I can play a DTheater tape without audio sync issues. This issue really has me stifled. Can anyone shed some light on this?

Gary Murrell

01-17-06, 07:40 AM

Johnny I would try and troubleshoot if I were you :), it would be hard for me to help unless I was there, but you should not be having those issues

I use a Mits 1100u for recording to D-VHS from the R5000-HD setup, I get 100% perfect results audio and video playback, no Bull ****, I do not settle for anything else

I use another 1100u for playback into a JVC 5u with HDMI output

DVHSTool will not work correctly at all, it is busted(I think it's the filters involved)
the R5000-HD Disk2tape utility is 100% perfection
I could kiss whoever made that App http://forums.allaboutjazz.com/images/smilies/pimp.gif :D

-Gary

HDTVFanAtic

01-19-06, 04:47 PM

I almost hate to state this and have it jinxed, but it appears zap2it might have added more bandwidth.

The last 2 days have been lightning fast - including searches at 8pm Eastern which has never happened in the past.

Your results may vary.

ctdish

01-19-06, 06:44 PM

I noticee that between Xmas and New Years ZAP2IT was so slow as to be nearly useless even during the day. Some time latter it improved hope it atays that also. John

ralphjb

01-20-06, 09:17 AM

I noticee that between Xmas and New Years ZAP2IT was so slow as to be nearly useless even during the day. Some time latter it improved hope it atays that also. John

If you can, use TitanTV. It is much faster, and easier to use. For instance, when you want to check detail on a program, it uses a pop-up window that is instant.

guptown

01-20-06, 03:37 PM

the R5000-HD Disk2tape utility is 100% perfection

I just want to echo Gary's sentiments concerning Disk2tape. I had some initial problems archiving .ts movies to DVHS from my hard drive. Thanks to Gary, tall1, koolkiwi and the helpful staff at r5000 I am now able to archive onto DVHS w/o a problem.

I had 3-4 HD movies in .ts format that were old files obtained before I got my r5000 . These movies were individually split up into anywhere from 40 to 140 parts. I combined the .ts files into one large .ts file with HDTV2MPEG2. Then I ran it through TStoATSC3 (TStoATSC didn't yield perfect results but it was close) and then used Disk2Tape to send the resulting .ts file onto D-VHS. Perfection with four movies so far. Awesome!!

Ray

Gary Murrell

01-20-06, 03:53 PM

Perfection with four movies so far. Awesome!!

Ray

and we are not over-exaggerating folks, 100% perfection so far for me and it seems now, others as well ;)

-Gary

Gary Murrell

01-20-06, 03:53 PM

TitanTV update for the app rules, it is amazingly fast and I like it better

-Gary

flabingo

01-20-06, 11:38 PM

I recently had a r5000 installed on another toshiba dst3000 and found the signal strength very low. I called Toshiba who admitted they don't make the units anymore but recommended www.ccscorporation.net for repair etc. I spoke with them and sent my unit to them. Based on their website and conversation, I am optimistic that I made a good decision. Check them out

HDHTPC

01-21-06, 01:35 PM

HDTVFanAtic

01-22-06, 01:13 AM

Maybe it is because so many of us have switched over to TitanTV ;)

Of course, I spoke to soon.

Its back to slower than mud again for last 2 days.

docchak

01-26-06, 06:50 PM

Hello all,

Just FYI,

I got lucky walked into best buy yesterday and got the xbox 360, take it home, connect it to MCE 2005, installed a small program called HDTV pump, holy smoke it played .ts files w/o any glitch, for most of us who have ton of .ts files (strip null and all) it played w/o glitch, pause , resume all work, but FF/RW does not work.

HDHTPC

01-27-06, 09:27 PM

720p only, right? (no 1080i)

docchak

01-27-06, 10:00 PM

720p only, right? (no 1080i)

UH-UH I set the display at 1080i , it played 1080i w/o glitch. :)

HDTVFanAtic

01-29-06, 10:52 PM

Has anyone gotten zap2it to display the new Voom lineup now that 9479 and 9480 are changed?

If so, what trick did you use?

I changed providers and changed back - but there is just a gap where the channels used to be.

Gary Murrell

01-29-06, 11:41 PM

no guides online have info for the newly changed Voom, I think someone over at the sat guys said they have contacted Zap and that they should have it in the 1st/2nd week of Feb. :), what a shame these channels are not 1920x1080i :mad:

-Gary

videolover

01-30-06, 01:10 AM

Gary,

If not 1920x1080, what rez are they?

Thanks

balazer

01-30-06, 01:14 AM

Don't get him started. They're 1280 x 1080i.

moshmothma

01-30-06, 05:20 PM

Is it possible to have an R5000Hd stream to Windows Media Center (or another media center app). How would I go about setup for that type of application.
Also, the media center preview has been fairly unreliable for me. Can someone post a graph (directshow) of what they are using? Thanks

docchak

01-30-06, 05:59 PM

moshmothma

01-31-06, 09:09 AM

Why an Xbox 360?

docchak

01-31-06, 11:45 AM

It will steam .ts files that was created by r5000, stored on your mce2005, then you could watch your HDTV whereever you place your xbox 360 on your home network.

moshmothma

01-31-06, 08:02 PM

I don't think I need a 360 to do that - any computer networked will allow for that. :) What I want is to be able to access my r5000 via Windows Media Center (already connected to the r5000). Thanks

docchak

02-01-06, 06:51 AM

I don't think I need a 360 to do that - any computer networked will allow for that. :) What I want is to be able to access my r5000 via Windows Media Center (already connected to the r5000). Thanks

Somehow the software decoding is much inferior than hardware decoding, lots of interlacing artifacts with software decoding, other alternative will be MyHD or d-vhs deck which cost just as much or a whole lot less for the money depends on how you look at it. MCE2005 alone will not decode .ts file either. :cool: MyHD will not work altogether under MCE2005.

Gary Murrell

02-01-06, 03:18 PM

grab a MYHD, they are so sweet, the DVI output is pure HD heaven

-Gary

docchak

02-02-06, 06:12 AM

I agreed with gary but if you have MCE2005 don't even think about it, MyHD will not work if you have MCE2005 on your PC.

R5000-HD

02-02-06, 05:41 PM

The newly released DISH411 MPEG-4 receiver can now be modified with the R5000-HD. The 411 represents the latest in satellite receiver technology and is capable of receving all current MPEG-2 offerings as well as the newly added "MPEG-4" channels. Users can capture all HD and SD content as well as DTV. All current R5000-HD features are supported including TitanTV remote scheduling (Program recordings from anywhere in the world).

Although MPEG-4 broadcasts have yet to make their official debut on Dish, we have already developed the necessary technology to handle these streams appropriately (See our sample captures (http://www.nextcomwireless.com/r5000/samples.htm) ). Some estimates place the start date for H.264 transmissions a year away so at this point there can be no guarantee that changes won't be made that will affect the R5000's ability to capture these streams. However, our own tests have demonstarted that a signal modulated with an H.264 stream and tuned in by the DISH411 can be prefectly captured using the R5000-HD.The official status is that this solution is "MPEG-4(AVC/H.264) ready."

Details and ordering information will be available on the Nextcom website (http://www.r5000-hd.com) in the next day or 2. Please check back with us then.

-R

ctdish

02-02-06, 06:28 PM

docchak,
Can the xbox 360 decode the H.264 files from the R5000 site? John

moshmothma

02-02-06, 08:32 PM

Somehow the software decoding is much inferior than hardware decoding, lots of interlacing artifacts with software decoding, other alternative will be MyHD or d-vhs deck which cost just as much or a whole lot less for the money depends on how you look at it. MCE2005 alone will not decode .ts file either. :cool: MyHD will not work altogether under MCE2005.

Software playback works great for me. You need the right setup but it works quite well. I never liked the MyHD interface. Not a very well thought out product in my mind though playback is smooth.

I want to stream r5000 connected HD into Media Center (or maybe Media Portal). Doesn;t look like that is possible from these responses unfortunately. Thanks

Gary Murrell

02-02-06, 08:39 PM

R5000-HD

02-04-06, 05:21 PM

The website has been updated to accept orders for the Dish 411 and ViP 211. Support for these models is official and availability is "currently shipping." Please see sales (http://www.nextcomwireless.com/r5000/sales.htm) page for details. Thanks,

-R

dvwannab

02-06-06, 10:02 AM

You guys do fast work. Nice job.

Gary Murrell

02-12-06, 04:31 AM

there isn't any mpeg4 on Dish, that won't happen for a year yet and maybe not even then

Dish is falsly labeling some new mpeg2 HD channels as mpeg4 so only mpeg4 receivers can receive them, thus forcing everyone to upgrade by lying :mad:

-Gary

docchak

02-12-06, 03:06 PM

I have directv, when do I have to be worried about this mpeg4 mayhem? There is no ploblem now why trying to fix it?

Joseph Clark

02-12-06, 03:42 PM

I have directv, when do I have to be worried about this mpeg4 mayhem? There is no ploblem now why trying to fix it?

The problem is that the satellite providers have limited bandwidth and have to figure the most cost effective way of using what they have. Less bandwidth means fewer channels. HD uses lots of bandwidth, so MPEG4 makes more sense - it uses less bandwidth.

For D* users, one thing I haven't really noticed anyone talking about is the legality of modding a D* receiver if you don't own it. If D* is going to a lease only model for its new receivers, then will an R5000 mod of a D* MPEG4 receiver even be legal? Fortunately, Dish subs can still buy.

balazer

02-12-06, 07:03 PM

Joseph Clark

02-13-06, 01:12 AM

Nextcom has addressed the issue of modifying a leased box somewhat with their Motorola DCT modification: it can be installed in such a way that there is no trace after removal. I couldn't tell you if lease agreements specifically forbid modification. But the worst case scenario, practically, is that upon returning the box you are asked to pay for the box if it's discovered that you've modified it. That's not a lot of money, relatively.

This is good news to me. Although I'm a Dish sub right now, I'd hate to see a ocmpany like Nextcom run up against the wall on such an issue. Their product is too good and it fills a serious need for archivers.

HDTVFanAtic

02-13-06, 01:24 AM

Wow the most exiciting news that I've never heard, we finaly can record MPEG4. now I should order a receiver from ebay and get mili subscription for all HD and SD dishnet channels for $30 a month.

Nextcom will not modify a stb without a valid subscription - and Mili and his backdoor Dish Employees arent valid subscription.

Gary Murrell

02-13-06, 04:45 AM

R5000-HD

02-13-06, 11:44 AM

WTF!! Why is hack talk being allowed on the forum, Latreche I wouldn't expect to see you around here much longer, some of us like to pay our bills(like my 140$ to dish per month)

and actually most hackers pay 0$ per month, that is the whole idea ;)

-Gary

Thank you. We stopped asking for validation on subs because the hacking issue was pretty much thwarted. We would hate to have to re-instate this. Please do not ask us to be involved in modifying receivers that are used for this purpose. We can modify un-subbed boxes. The only requirement for testing the R5000 is that they can receive something --even if its just a demo or OTA channel. Obviously we have no control over what you do with the receiver down the road, but if we have to, we'll go back to maintaining a record of subs to prove that we aren't involved in these activities. Hopefully E* has solved this problem with their new boxes.

-R

Joseph Clark

02-13-06, 11:57 AM

Thank you. We stopped asking for validation on subs because the hacking issue was pretty much thwarted. We would hate to have to re-instate this. Please do not ask us to be involved in modifying receivers that are used for this purpose. We can modify un-subbed boxes. The only requirement for testing the R5000 is that they can receive something --even if its just a demo or OTA channel. Obviously we have no control over what you do with the receiver down the road, but if we have to, we'll go back to maintaining a record of subs to prove that we aren't involved in these activities. Hopefully E* has solved this problem with their new boxes.

-R

I continue to recommend your company to friends and I post in this forum and DBSTalk about the R5000. Yours is a reputable company with great service and respect for your customers. That is something that needs to be encouraged, since it seems increasingly rare.

jhue

02-13-06, 01:52 PM

Monday: Order R5000-HD and send Dish 6000 via overnight FedEx
Tuesday: Receiver arrives at Nextcom
Wednesday: Nextcom ships receiver back via 2-day UPS
Friday: Receiver arrives and I am making flawless HDTV captures

You guys rock!!!

The remote scheduling with TitanTV is especially cool.

P.S. My laptop with a Micro Innovations USB/Firewire PC Card (ALi USB controller) worked fine, as did my desktop with a Compaq-branded Micro Innovations USB/Firewire PCI card (NEC USB controller). The on-board USB ports (VIA controller) on my desktop would capture without complaint, but the data was bad (your FAQ hints that this is not unexpected).

balazer

02-14-06, 07:14 PM

I have the R5000-HD mod in my Motorola digital cable box, and it's been working very well. David sent me new executables that fixed some issues I was having.

I don't know why more people aren't showing interest in the cable box mods. Hint: in some cases you can get your cable company to activate a customer-owned box, so that you don't need to modify a leased box. Though modifying a leased box is really not such a bad option if you live in a house and aren't planning to move or cancel cable anytime soon.

Kirby Baker

02-14-06, 07:37 PM

Yeah the cable box mod is doing much better than it was in its infancy.. Only have a rare issue now, and I believe David and I came to the conclusion that its a Charter issue (possibly headend related) with some erroneous frames being sent, or something like that.

Willie

02-14-06, 08:01 PM

there isn't any mpeg4 on Dish, that won't happen for a year yet and maybe not even then

-Gary

Gary,

That is wrong. The LA locals are real H.264, as are the Chicago stations.

Willie

Techtom

02-14-06, 08:10 PM

Gary,

That is wrong. The LA locals are real H.264, as are the Chicago stations.

Willie

What channel, satellite and transponder are the local LA locals being broadcast on?

I don't have HD locals yet... but to find out, tune to a HD local then use "menu 6 1 1" to point the dish. it will tell you the sat & tp that the receiver is currently on.

-Techtom

George L

02-14-06, 10:21 PM

When my DVR is recording with one tuner, the other tuner outputs a fine picture but no audio. This persists even after the recording has ended and the unit has to be turned off then on to get back the sound. Anyone know what is going on here?

Gary Murrell

02-15-06, 01:14 AM

Yes Willie, I was only speaking of national Mpeg4 channels, like UHD, Voom etc., Dish has choosen to lie about those

-Gary

Joseph Clark

02-15-06, 01:39 AM

Yes Willie, I was only speaking of national Mpeg4 channels, like UHD, Voom etc., Dish has choosen to lie about those

-Gary

If Dish is able to get MPEG4 receivers working for locals in two large markets like LA and New York, what's the holdup with transitioning other channels like HBO and Showtime?

R5000-HD

02-15-06, 01:42 PM

Latest versions are available in the download area (http://www.nextcomwireless.com/r5000/support.htm). The version 2.3 DVR includes support for the Dish 411 and ViP 211 receivers and addresses various issues reported to date:

4DTV (C-Band) PVR events not firing correctly. Handles "GB" satellite selection (requires the updated PVR) by using the satellite immediately to the left or right of "GB" in your sat. menu. For example if GB is to the left of G5 you would program "G5<". This is required since the 4DTV remotes have no "B" selection.

Motorola systems: Stream re-sync on channel change left out of previous release has been included. Auto-rate detection algorithm fixed to prevent SD streams recording at HD rate. A rare stream anomaly appearing on certain cable systems is handled.

Version 2.2c PVR: changes the way TitanTV remotely scheduled events are retrieved. First retrieval gets all events. Subsequent retrievals only fetch new programs. Since TitanTV does not provide a way to delete remotely scheduled events on their server, they can be deleted once downloaded to the PVR and won't be replaced. C-band sat. codes are now sorted properly along with the channel. Supports "GB" sat code using the method above.

-R

Ron Tobin

02-15-06, 07:55 PM

Just received my modded 411/R5000 and it works perfectly. I've scheduled a bunch of recordings and look forward to continued perfect recordings from my R5000 modded STB. I've previously had the R5000 mod in an E8 and a Dish 6000, and always experienced perfect recordings.

Thanks Nextcom for responding so quickly.

Techtom

02-15-06, 08:20 PM

That is wrong. The LA locals are real H.264, as are the Chicago stations.

Buzz XXX Wrong, well at least for the LA locals.

I just checked the 129W feed using TSReader. LA locals:

ch 6306 KABC tp8, mpeg-2 video
ch 6307 KCBS tp8, mpeg-2 video
ch 6308 KNBC tp8, mpeg-2 video
ch 6309 KTTV tp19, mpeg-2 video

I don't know what channels the chicago locals are on, but if some one will tell me I'll take a look...

Willie, can you provide any proof of what you say? e.g TSReader screen capture, etc?

Thanks,

-Techtom

Willie

02-15-06, 10:11 PM

Chicago locals are H.264 on frequency 12384. The LA locals are H.264 on another frequency. I don't need to prove anything :rolleyes:

Willie

Techtom

02-16-06, 01:46 AM

Chicago locals are H.264 on frequency 12384. The LA locals are H.264 on another frequency. I don't need to prove anything

Hmm... 12384, OK that's tp12 on the 129W. confirming what you said, at least about chicago HD locals...

ch6312, WLS tp12, H.264 video
ch6313, WBBM tp12, H.264 video
ch6314, WMAQ tp12, H.264 video
ch6315, WFLD tp12, H.264 video

I just re-checked the 129W SDT table (tsreader) and the dish web site. LA HD locals are mpeg2. There is not "another frequency" with h.264 LA HD locals.

ch 6306 KABC tp8, mpeg-2 video
ch 6307 KCBS tp8, mpeg-2 video
ch 6308 KNBC tp8, mpeg-2 video
ch 6309 KTTV tp19, mpeg-2 video

I don't need to prove anything

Yup, talk is cheap when you don't have to back it up.

-Techtom

Willie

02-16-06, 07:47 AM

Yup, talk is cheap when you don't have to back it up.

-Techtom

I know that the LA locals in Mpeg-2 are on 12326. They are also mirrored in H.264 on 12603, or at least they were a day or 2 ago. Could be they are testing, or whatever; they may be transient. Doesn't matter.

BTW, Tom, you made my ignore list. See ya'.

Willie

HDTVFanAtic

02-16-06, 12:49 PM

I know that the LA locals in Mpeg-2 are on 12326. They are also mirrored in H.264 on 12603, or at least they were a day or 2 ago. Could be they are testing, or whatever; they may be transient. Doesn't matter.

BTW, Tom, you made my ignore list. See ya'.

Willie

Too bad Tom was right and you were wrong.

Ignore is great for those who don't want the truth, isn't it?

Go ahead and put me on ignore as others have as well.

Willie

02-16-06, 02:28 PM

FanAtic,

Actually your posts are informative. So I won't ignore you. And I don't mind being wrong. I do mind what I perceive to be an in-your-face attitude; I don't need comments like 'talk is cheap'. Gimme' a break. I am getting too old to give that kind of stuff credence.

BTW, I stand by what I said about the LA locals. Perhaps the next time they show up on 129 in H.264 as they did the other day (or maybe last week, or perhaps I was dreaming) I'll do a screen shot. It really is not that important. Really.

Have a reasonable day :)

Willie

R5000-HD

04-05-06, 04:12 PM

The R5000-HD is now available for the Dish Network model ViP 622 DVR. Please see website (http://www.r5000-hd.com) for details.

Capture capability includes all HD and SD content as well as DTV, basically identical to the ViP 211 MPEG-4 receiver. All current R5000-HD features are supported including TitanTV remote scheduling (Program recordings from anywhere in the world).

Extraction (capturing programs from the DVR's internal hard drive) is not available. Whereas it is possible to capture these streams, the MPEG material is encrypted, rendering them useless. Stream capture from the 622 DVR is limited to live transmissions.

-R

mkerdman

04-05-06, 06:11 PM

Does TitanTV support "Season Pass" i.e RECORD all new episodes type scheduliing with the R5000-HD?

mkerdman

04-05-06, 06:23 PM

The R5000-HD is now available for the Dish Network model ViP 622 DVR. Please see website (http://www.r5000-hd.com) for details.

-R

Will you please explain the tuner priority programing within an R5000HD VIP 622

- so as to prevent "pilot error channel changing" in mid-recording on 1 of the 2 tuners (without any OSD prompt availablle)

- when 1 or 2 tuners have been scheduled within the Dish 622 EPG - will R5000HD defer or overide 1 of the scheduled events?

- when 1 tuner has been scheduled within the Dish 622 EPG and the user is watching a selected live broadcast - will R5000HD overide the live tuner and not the scheduled tuner?

Thanks!

jedi35

04-09-06, 03:41 PM

I did a search and found this question posted back on page 15 of this thread by water1:

"Will it be possible to schedule recordings using TitanTV as I currently do for MYHd?"

I've had to reinstall my R5000 software(being used with a Dish 6000, an Athlon 64 3400+, and a JVC 30K dvhs) because the software stopped recognizing my dvhs deck. The dvhs deck's back now, but there are new issues with the TitanTv programming( I had things working before). I own a MyHD as well, and I'm not sure how to get TitanTv to work well with both the MyHD and the R5000. Right now, only the MyHD responds to TitanTv menu choices, even though my member profile choices are for the R5000. I haven't found any posts that have addressed the question above. Can anyone help me? Thanks.

HDTVFanAtic

04-10-06, 01:42 AM

I'll take a stab on the way I think it should work in theory. Take it for what its worth.

Titan TV lets you set up 3 different profiles under the same ID.

You can choose any of them from the drop down menu up top after they are setup.

You set your local channels OTA or Cable with MYHD as the DVR and you set up Dish or Directv with the R5000HD as the DVR in the customizaition boxes. So one profile would be for MyHD and another for Satellite with R5000HD.

Then you just change the profile, depending on which you want to record from.

balazer

04-10-06, 03:12 AM

I don't think the PVR setting that you choose in TitanTV makes any difference as far as which device's helper application gets used when you click a "Record" button and download the .tvpi file. I have TitanTV set to use R5000-HD as my PVR, but I can open the .tvpi files in the MyHD helper app or the R5000-HD helper app.

I can tell you how I manage having both MyHD and R5000-HD interact with TitanTV. I use both the MyHD and R5000-HD with digital cable, so many of the same channels can be recorded with either device. I use Firefox, and each time I click on a TitanTV "Record" link, Firefox opens a dialog box, asking me what application I want to use to open the file. I have both the R5000-HD TitanTV helper and the MyHD TitanTV helper applications registered there, so I can choose which one I want at that point.

You could potentially use two different web browsers, and configure each one to launch a different TitanTV helper application. (e.g. Firefox for R5000-HD, and Internet Explorer for MyHD)

jedi35

04-10-06, 12:14 PM

Thanks for the ideas, guys. I'll give them a try when I'm back in town later this week. Sorry, I might have more questions.

jedi35

04-12-06, 05:43 AM

Solfan

04-12-06, 08:14 AM

Try rebooting the 6000?

Joseph Clark

04-12-06, 09:51 AM

Oh this is fun. I have returned home to discover that XP is no longer recognizing the USB output from my R5000 modded Dish 6000 receiver. The dvr application will not load properly. Uninstalling and starting over has yielded no joy. The connections are tight, and I even tried another USB port. Any ideas?

I got a USB error message a couple of times when installing newer versions of the software, but not out of the blue, IIRC. It could be a heat related problem. Have you made sure the 6000 has plenty of air flow around it? Touch the case and see if it's hot. If it is, you might try a spot where it can get more air. If heat seems to be an issue, let it cool off before you try the following.

Rebooting sounds like good advice. Unplug the USB cable from the 6000. Unplug the 6000 and leave it off for 30 seconds or so. Plug it back in and wait for it to acquire satellite. Make sure you're getting an HD signal. Plug the 6000's USB cable back in. In XP, you may get the USB error message again. Unplug the cable and plug it back in. Wait for the Windows "Install new hardware" wizard to start. This time, try letting it reinstall the software automatically instead of reinstalling the software manually. IIRC, if the R5000 gets plugged into a different USB port, it has to go through the software reinstall.

I'll be in and out today. If you're still having the problem later, give me a call. Maybe Bill and I can stop over and have a look-see. I'm PMimg you my mobile phone number, in case you don't have it.

gridleak

04-12-06, 02:40 PM

jedi35

04-13-06, 12:05 AM

gridleak,
Yep my 6000 was tuned in to an active channel each time I installed the software. Still, thanks for the post.

I did think to unplug the 6000 before I went to bed so that it would reset. That did the trick. When I got back to it today, the install went without a hitch. Atleast I'll know what to try the next time things go south. Thanks for all the ideas. Now, on to trying to solve the issues with the TitanTV scheduling. I'm still having to do manual programming of the PVR, as the online grid only wants to deal with the MyHD card for now.

HDTVFanAtic,
I tried your idea, and the profile settings did not seem to make any diference at all. Do you get the proper response when you switch profiles?

balazer,
I like your idea of getting different browsers to activate different recording devices. Could you give me some pointers in how exactly to do this? I've got about 4 browsers that I can choose from.

balazer

04-13-06, 12:53 AM

When you click a TitanTV "Record" link, the TitanTV site gives you a .tvpi file. You set in the browser what application will be run to open that file.

jedi35

04-13-06, 01:14 AM

balazer,
The problem I was having was that the window that showed the .tvpi file dialog closed very quickly and the MyHD took over immediately. I was no longer given a choice of which program to use to handle the file. This was happening in my main server, which is Yahoo DSL. However, thanks to your suggestions, I have managed to fix things pretty well. First, I deleted all cookies, offline content, temporary internet files, and cleared my history. Then, I simply opened another browser(Compuserve), and I now can do whatever I want with the grid dialog window. I can choose to send the file to the R5000 pvr or the MyHD. Cool. Thanks a lot.

R5000-HD

04-14-06, 05:00 PM

The version 2.4a DVR supports SageTV and running multiple instances. Can record from as many as 4 devices simultaneously on the same PC. A 30-day trial is available from the download area (http://www.nextcomwireless.com/r5000/support.htm)

Tests on a low-end Celeron 1.8G with 640MB show approx. 80% CPU usage while streaming from 4 simultaneous HD sources. A CBR stream requires approx 2.4MB/sec data rate so 4 HD recordings require a HDD to sustain nearly 10MB/sec transfer rate. Expect slower disk access and limited possibility for simultaneously playback, especially with software decoders (not recommended).

SageTV must be configured to recognize the R5000 as a networked encoder. Once configured, integration is seamless; there are no other external devices or software required. Complete instructions are available at www.r5000-hd.com (http://www.nextcomwireless.com/r5000/sagetv.htm)

The SageTV release version will be free to anyone who purchases the R5000-HD within the next 30 days (offer expires 5/15/2006). Valid serial number must be presented.

-R

jedi35

04-16-06, 10:12 PM

I noticed that there is a zip file download right under the 2.4a trial version. Does the zip file allow us to get 2.4a without SageTV and therefore no 30 day trial limit? I'm just looking to see if that's the way to get the software upgrade from the version 2.3 DRV that I have now, if I'm not looking to pay for the other features in 30 days.

docchak

04-17-06, 07:18 AM

Or, how do I go back to the older free version, just install on top of it? or uninstall the sagetv version first?

docchak

04-17-06, 07:24 AM

I have problem using hdtv2mpeg2 converting sd record from .ts to mpeg2, the audio just disappeared, what was wrong?, I am trying to make a dvd out of .ts file, no problem with the HDTV to mpeg2 just sd to mpeg that the audio disappear, any help would be greatly appreciated.

HDTVFanAtic

04-17-06, 05:59 PM

Kirby Baker

04-17-06, 07:39 PM

Hdtv2mpeg2 has not supported changing .ts to mpeg2 for several years. Some report it still works, though most report it doesn't.

The name of the program is changing to TSEdit to reflect what it really does.

Most likely you will need something like VideoRedo to convert from .ts to .mpeg

Yup I can verify that. I just tried to convert a TS to MPEG file today with the latest build (forgot they removed that, and I never used it as such before) and it did not produce a valid MPEG file.

stjr

04-17-06, 07:51 PM

Although I don't use them often, Hdtv2Mpeg2 versions 1.07 and 1.09 beta work for me to convert ts files to mpg.

Kirby Baker

04-17-06, 07:53 PM

Thanks for that info, I will have to grab one of those versions.

gridleak

04-18-06, 09:13 PM

At first I thought this was an R5000 problem, but now I'm not so sure.

I started archiving HD movies to DVHS years ago during the dish 5000 mod era. I often would record "important" movies twice just to make sure I had a good copy. That habit has worked well for me now, because as I transfer these tapes to .ts files I can frequently combine these separate recordings with h2m2 (TSEdit) to produce a bit perfect file. These files produce that very satisfying 10 line m2r report with zero errors.

Now I'm recording with the R5000-HD, and I thought the same technique would work again. Unfortunately, it doesn't. Recordings made a few hours or days apart can't be combined without errors because ... THE I-FRAMES DON'T MATCH!! They always seem to be off by one or two video (or film?) frames. I can get it close enough to produce an invisible edit, but in m2r there is always two errors at each edit point (TemporalRef gap, and corrupted AC3 frame).

Obviously there are two possible causes for this problem: the R5000-HD, or the way shows are rebroadcast on SAT these days. I'm leaning towards the latter, because I can't imagine how the R5000 could move I-frames around.

Is this the result of down scaling to 1280? All my old tapes are 1920. Any other explanations...?

balazer

04-19-06, 12:34 AM

I never would have expected I-frames to line up from one airing of a program to another. Almost all network programming providers recompress at broadcast time.

gridleak

04-19-06, 01:00 AM

I never would have expected I-frames to line up from one airing of a program to another. Almost all network programming providers recompress at broadcast time.Either they didn't recompress a few years ago, and they do now, or recompression a few years ago always produced the same I-frames, and now they don't. I've got too many tapes of broadcasts that are days or weeks apart that fit together perfectly.

HDHTPC

04-19-06, 01:16 AM

Back in the Dish5000+Modulator days, I think E* just passed through the signal without recompressing. These days I doubt anyone passes anything through anymore.
They want control over logo overlay, commercial insertion and bitrate shaping...

balazer

04-19-06, 01:22 AM

The programming sources were always recompressing. The issues are the encoder's determinism and how long of a history the encoder's behavior is dependent on. I'm guessing that the encoders are deterministic, except when statistical multiplexing is used, as DIRECTV and DISH probably do now. In the worst case when an encoder's behavior is dependent on the entire history, having I-frames line up would happen only by luck. When the behavior is dependent on a shorter history, e.g. as would happen with certain types of scene change detection, I-frames lining up is more likely. Those things depend on the encoder and the encoding parameters.

balazer

04-19-06, 01:32 AM

In case I wasn't clear, by programming source I mean HBO, Showtime, etc.

In any case, splicing together parts of programs recorded at different times is a hack, which will have different results for different decoders. That's because even when the I-frames line up, the time stamps won't. The solution is to use VideoReDo, which supports frame-accurate editing and time stamp rewriting.

The real solution for having more reliable archiving it so switch to something other than D-VHS - e.g., some kind of computer disk or disc with some level of redundancy.

gridleak

04-19-06, 09:58 AM

You're right, it is a hack. Fortunately, most of these old tapes go to file without any trickery needed.

Thanks for the explanation. VideoReDo is next on my list of things to try.

Techtom

04-19-06, 12:40 PM

I never would have expected I-frames to line up from one airing of a program to another. Almost all network programming providers recompress at broadcast time.

I believe the HD programming comes off of pre-encoded loops that are spliced to produce the programming feeds. The source mux remuxes the programs, but the underlieing frame structure does not change (only the PCR and PTS/DTS are changed). As an example, in the early days of the R5000-hd when there was a "glitching" problem attributed to the R5000, it turns out it was actually in the stream transmitted by E*. The interesting thing was that if you recorded the program twice, the glitch would occur in exactly the same place (the PCRs and PTS/DTS were different, but the frame structure was exactly the same). The recompression doesn't actually change the frame alignment, it just quantizes the image more. Changing the frame structure of the source is a bad idea because you have to completely redo the motion estimation which is very HW/MIPS expensive for HDTV. It's much easier to just work with the source I,P,or B frame and lower their quality. for SD content complete re-encodes to variable GOP with inverse telecine in realtime are the norm for Directv, which gives them much more control over the resulting bit rate. In the early days of HD programming, this was not possible.

-Techtom

balazer

04-19-06, 02:44 PM

Changing the frame structure of the source is a bad idea because you have to completely redo the motion estimation which is very HW/MIPS expensive for HDTV.And that's exactly what an HD MPEG-2 encoder does.It's much easier to just work with the source I,P,or B frame and lower their quality.In terms of computational effort, yes. But practically speaking, the reverse is true. Encoders have been around for a lot longer than rate shapers.

The errors you mentioned from DISH are probably a result of the deterministic short history frame coding coming from HBO/Showtime and a bug in DISH's encoder. That could result in errors in the same place every time. There's no evidence that the programming providers are storing a pre-encoded MPEG-2 sequence for each of their movies. The kinds of servers that they use for their programming store very high bit rate recordings - HD-D5 type stuff. Everything gets compressed at broadcast time.

HDTVFanAtic

04-19-06, 11:15 PM

Errors are not in Showtime and HBO in the same place on Dish if you record a program more than once.

Techtom

04-20-06, 01:21 AM

Errors are not in Showtime and HBO in the same place on Dish if you record a program more than once.

Yes that's true now, but when the r5000-hd was introduced, dish was phasing in new re-encoders, causing some really bizarr stuff in the mpeg stream. one of them was a wierd time stamp jump. Showtime was particulally nortorius for this. IIRC hdnet movies too. The jump would occur at the same time in movie for the showings that day. since hdnet movies plays the same set of movies over and over, you could see the same error a few times a day. After many months, they finally got the new re-encoders working (better) and we stopped seeing that particuar error.

-T

gridleak

04-21-06, 11:28 AM

I checked some tape pairs of rebroadcasts in order to verify my earlier statement.

Of 9 pairs from the 2001/2002 time period, 6 had identical I-frames, and 3 did not.

Of 5 pairs from the 2003/2004 time period, none had identical I-frames.

These were a mix of HBO and SHO movies.

R5000-HD

05-01-06, 03:18 PM

An updated PVR is available for download (http://www.nextcomwireless.com/r5000/support.htm). This version (2.4a) takes advantage of the "Multi-Instance DVR" to schedule simultaneous recordings from different receivers. Automatically senses if the DVR is a multi-instance build (use 2.4c DVR and above) and allows for overlapped recordings to be scheduled from different sources. Note: PVR cannot properly auto-launch the trial version DVR because of the 30-day notification dialog. Make sure the DVR(s) are running first.

Disk2Tape has been updated to handle more entries (max 100) and to work properly with multi-instance DVR builds.

-R

mtallent

05-04-06, 02:28 PM

I have an R5000 modified HDD-200 that I am using on a cable system, but the HDTV choices are very limited.

I an considering Dish HDTV, but would like to ask if Dish converts the 1920X1080 programming down to 1280X1080 like Direct TV does. I am especially interested in the HDnet movies if they are still broadcast on Dish in the 1920X1080 resolution.

Thanks

Mike T

jedi35

05-04-06, 03:36 PM

Yep, Dish is still at 1920 X 1080 for the HDNets and other big hd channels like HBOHD and SHOHD. However, the Voom channels are reduced to 1280 X 1080.

calinb

05-06-06, 03:41 PM

An updated PVR is available for download (http://www.nextcomwireless.com/r5000/support.htm). Note: PVR cannot properly auto-launch the trial version DVR because of the 30-day notification dialog. Make sure the DVR(s) are running first.
-RI don't understand why you'd want to release beta versions with timebombs! I'm an R5000 owner and I've always installed beta versions and fed back comments and suggestions to you -- some of my suggestions have even been incorporated into your programs to improve the product.

I tend not to install programs with timebombs--especially timebombs that disable or otherwise interfere with useful features ("Make sure the DVR(s) are running first.") Please explain.

thurstonw

05-06-06, 06:06 PM

I don't understand why you'd want to release beta versions with timebombs! I'm an R5000 owner and I've always installed beta versions and fed back comments and suggestions to you -- some of my suggestions have even been incorporated into your programs to improve the product.

I tend not to install programs with timebombs--especially timebombs that disable or otherwise interfere with useful features ("Make sure the DVR(s) are running first.") Please explain.

It seems fairly obvious to me. The beta supports SageTV and running multiple, simultaneous DVRs -something they will be charging extra for (50 & 100$ if I remember correctly). In order to allow people to use it on a trial basis it has to have some sort of expiration otherwise it would be free.

TW

balazer

05-06-06, 09:13 PM

I tend not to install programs with timebombs--especially timebombs that disable or otherwise interfere with useful features ("Make sure the DVR(s) are running first.") Please explain.When you launch the trial version of the DVR, it pops up a dialog box explaining that it's a trial version. Once you click OK, it behaves normally.

The PVR, when dispatching a recording, will launch the DVR if it's not already running. The PVR doesn't know how to click OK on the DVR, if the DVR should not already be running at the time the recording is dispatched. But if the DVR is already running, there is no problem. In any case I think most users will find that the easiest way to use the PVR and DVR is to leave them running in the system tray.

calinb

05-07-06, 03:00 AM

It seems fairly obvious to me. The beta supports SageTV and running multiple, simultaneous DVRs -something they will be charging extra for (50 & 100$ if I remember correctly). In order to allow people to use it on a trial basis it has to have some sort of expiration otherwise it would be free.

TW
balazer, thurstonw,

thanks--somehow I missed the last page with the announcement of the Sage version. Hope they continue to support the non-sage version with improvements and bug fixes.

Too bad the trial message kills the launch of the DVR as the message is really quite pointless--timebomb or no timebomb! Have you ever noticed how background (tray) processes mysteriously disappear in XP? (Memory leaks?) No sense in risking a missed recording with the Sage beta, in my opinion, so it will remain uninstalled on my system.

balazer

05-07-06, 03:29 AM

I've never had the DVR or PVR disappear from my system tray.

HDTVFanAtic

05-08-06, 01:24 AM

I've never had the DVR or PVR disappear from my system tray.

I am aware of many people that have seen the PVR quit funcitoning. Seems to be a lingering bug that they have not been able to isolate or do not believe exists.

It's there and one thinks its running, but the DVR is not recording - one clicks on the PVR in the system tray to find out if you set the time wrong and the icon closes instead of maximizes - obviously it shut down previously - but it was still showing as active in the system tray.

docchak

05-08-06, 09:26 AM

Well, at first I was furious when I saw the beta with a fee attached, but since then my curiosity has run wild, I d/l sagetv, + 2 clients, now, I love this setup, it's like having a HDTIVO at a fraction of a cost plus no monthly fee. :p

calinb

05-08-06, 03:18 PM

<snip>....one clicks on the PVR in the system tray to find out if you set the time wrong and the icon closes instead of maximizes - obviously it shut down previously - but it was still showing as active in the system tray.
Yes--or you simply hover the mouse through the tray and the icons disappear. This seems to happen with other Windows aps occasionally too. I'm not sure the problem even lies with the aps that are affected (R5000) but it may be an inability of Windows to tolerate other misbehaving aps or processes, resulting in the termination of the well-behaved ones! For example, I've often noticed this problem after a Windows ap hangs or otherwise terminates strangely. I've not researched this all too common Windows malady, but there must be a bunch of stuff on the web. As a Linux and OS X user too, Windows seems to be comparitively poor at isolating application crashes from the OS and other aps!

HDTVFanAtic

05-08-06, 05:50 PM

Yes--or you simply hover the mouse through the tray and the icons disappear.

yep!

This seems to happen with other Windows aps occasionally too. I'm not sure the problem even lies with the aps that are affected (R5000) but it may be an inability of Windows to tolerate other misbehaving aps or processes, resulting in the termination of the well-behaved ones!

I've never seen with anything else except the PVR and I use a dedicated computer for the R5000 without "all the other apps".

Windows seems to be comparitively poor at isolating application crashes from the OS and other aps!

Agreed. If it would only tell you in the Event log what happened and why.

balazer

05-08-06, 07:35 PM

Yes--or you simply hover the mouse through the tray and the icons disappear. This seems to happen with other Windows aps occasionally too.All it means is that the app has crashed, was killed, or otherwise exited without telling Windows to remove the tray icon. I have every reason to believe that when this happens it's a problem with the app, not Windows. Windows very strongly isolates processes from each other.

calinb

05-09-06, 02:37 AM

<snip>.....Windows very strongly isolates processes from each other.Based on my experiences with Windows, I'm not convinced of that! I've seen dozens of times on dozens of Windows systems where an application crashes and takes out nearly every background ap in the tray! In fact, I never find it surprising when, after a crash, I hover my mouse across the trays and "<pop> <pop> <pop>," the icons vanish. Clearly they didn't all crash at the same time without some other ap (and/or Windows) being the root cause! I guess, relative to DOS and Win9x, the modern Windows OS's do strongly isolate processes from each other--it's just that my experiences with Linux, OS X and several UNIX OS's would indicate they have even stronger isolation.

I use my R5000 system to do other things besides record TV shows--like simultaneous playback and encoding of shows too. I know that the DVR is likely to crash when the CPU usage pegs, though it's improved from earlier releases, and I've learned to limit usage during recordings for that reason. But tray icons can vanish even when a Windows CPU is lightly loaded.

HDTVFanAtic

05-09-06, 03:46 AM

Again, I have seen the PVR disappear when nothing is going on except the R5000HD Software - including background appps. I just don't have anything else to speak of on this machine for this reason.

balazer

05-09-06, 03:51 AM

I've seen dozens of times on dozens of Windows systems where an application crashes and takes out nearly every background ap in the tray!Well your experience is different from mine. Outside of Explorer crashing, I've never had system tray apps crash more than one at a time.

calinb

05-09-06, 03:15 PM

<snip>....The beta supports SageTV and running multiple, simultaneous DVRs -something they will be charging extra for (50 & 100$ if I remember correctly).
TWSo--$150 to $200 bucks extra, including the Sage proggy, itself? OUCH!

balazer

05-09-06, 03:28 PM

I don't think you can fault Nextcom for the cost of SageTV itself. (about $70)

The Sage-enabled DVR is $50. If you have multiple R5000 boxes each connected to different PCs, I don't think you'd need the multi-tuner R5000 software, which will be $100. No one said this is an inexpensive hobby. These costs are the least of them. The greater cost is the threat of obsolescence, since the R5000 is relying on a technical loophole. Already most of the first generation mods are obsolete. (MPEG-2 DISH and DIRECTV hardware)

calinb

05-10-06, 03:44 AM

No one said this is an inexpensive hobby. Haha--certainly not! I have 4DTV so I doubt Sage is worthwhile for my R5000 (no 4DTV EPG). Really, all I want to add to the current R5000 software is good "live pause." VLC works with R5000 files for live pause, but the usability is very lacking (no rewind and no reliable and easy way to use forward seek either--not to mention the need to launch two aps independently).

My HTPC-based investments include 169time, R5000, Snapstream BTV, MyTHEATRE, and DVB and ATSC capture cards. The usage model is far from seamless, as you'd expect. In fact, my wife calls my HTPC my science fair project and won't touch it. At least she's happy now that I got a Harmony remote to control all the other A/V stuff.

Maybe there's reason to hope for Viiv yet! ;)