What is the value proposition for a cable company for the Moxi DVR?
Moxi Media Center makes money for the cable operators in the following ways
Longer customer retention. People with Moxi are keeping the service longer than other cable DVR products.
Higher revenues from On Demand (where available). Purchase rates from Moxi users are double the national average.
Revenues based on features (including multi-room DVR and optional premium features)
Is it a 2 year life cycle? 5 years?Because the box can be upgraded to support new applications with software downloads, we expect the useful life of the box will be longer than other boxes. Time will tell.
I'm sure it is different for each cable provider. But how do these things work in general? Flat fee purchase of the box by the cable company? Lease of the box by the cable company? Monthly fee for access and/or per unit in service? It does vary. A few operators are offering a purchase option, but most are charging a lease fee for the equipment plus service fee.

What didn't make it into the press release is the fact that Mike and his family have been Adelphia Moxi subscribers for the past six months. It's almost like handing the reigns to Joe221 or kelliot.

Thanks for the vote of confidence MG, I feel honored! :D I'll be in the office tomorrow at 8AM! ;) MG you're now in charge of marketing. Anyone with your ability to take all this BS is a natural! Love the Sony guy! I have an XS955 and have sung it's praises in the Sony XS forum! :eek: .See ya in the morning!

Joe,
Please, can you do somethin with the drive space problem?

The NFL season is about to begin and I feel compelled to follow the "kelliot solution."

B.T.W. - Feel free to respond directly to me as this is an easy question.

Actually, I hope MG gets paid well for putting up with us, I hope he isn't stuck with worthless options.

BTW, I haven't used my Moxi much lately, mainly because there isn't enough content worth recording on my favorite cableco.

Also, a fanless HD thin client would be nice.

With regard to HD space, Moxi/cableco should just do a switch on hard drives to 250GB and sell the old ones on eBay.

Joe,
Please, can you do somethin with the drive space problem?

The NFL season is about to begin and I feel compelled to follow the "kelliot solution."

B.T.W. - Feel free to respond directly to me as this is an easy question.

No prob. Gotta deal lined up on 250 giggers. We'll start the swap out as soon as Adelphia pushes 3.2! :eek:

BTW, I haven't used my Moxi much lately, mainly because there isn't enough content worth recording on my favorite cableco.

.

Have you seen "House" on Fox?

We'll start the swap out as soon as Adelphia pushes 3.2! :eek:
Spoken like a true C.E.O. - You're already referring me to an outside agency. :D
Just for you Joe …..post #6933………………

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=6036343&&#post6036343

And if you glance at the title of this thread, you can see that I’m a Sony fan too !

will Adelphia please push 3.2? I'm gonna cry soon.

will Adelphia please push 3.2? I'm gonna cry soon.
Adelphia blames Digeo.

Digeo blames Adelphia.

Joe used to blame East L.A. for being at the head-end.......now that he's C.E.O. and has homes in West L.A. and San Jose, he simply does alot of traveling. :D

Meanwhile, people that only care about being able to go on vacation for a couple weeks out of the year and have their DVR’s be capable of recording their favorite missed shows………without running out of space!..................

Only care about a larger hard disk drive.

Digeo blames Adelphia.Have I blamed Adelphia for something? or was that CEO Joe?

Only care about a larger hard disk drive.


IT WOULD BE NICE TO BE ABLE TO RECORD FOOTBALL ON SUNDAY WITHOUT HAVING TO WIPE ALMOST ALL OF THE OTHER RECORDINGS!.

Two 4 hour HD football games means that the recorder gets wiped every Sunday during the fall and early winter. If I don't have time to catch the previous week's recordings on Saturday I'm simple SOL.

Supporting USB hard drives just isn't that hard. A solution that is suitable to all parties is doable without having to incur significant costs.

Locking a drive, partition, and/or file to a machine isn't hard.

Locking access to active service isn't hard.

An I/O test upon drive detection will hold down the support calls. A drive either works satisfactorily to Digeo's requirements or else the user is told to use another drive or call their drive's manufacturer. If the cable companies think it is economically beneficial, they will eventually rent drive units.

Maybe Digeo needs to hire a few more programmers and tech leads.

The feature set is lean, there are reliability problems, and innovation is sorely lacking. Is this another VC funded company where the vision bailed out with $$$ or did it never have much to begin with?

MoxiGuy, sorry if this seems like I'm slamming your company. I'm not. I am re-stating what has been posted here over and over. TiVo is an economical failure waiting to happen because they went corporate and lost their vision. We don't want that to happen to you, too. Apple learned you can't run a tech company with a guy from Pepsi. The vision has to be at the top.

**SIGH**

IT WOULD BE NICE TO BE ABLE TO RECORD FOOTBALL ON SUNDAY WITHOUT HAVING TO WIPE ALMOST ALL OF THE OTHER RECORDINGS!.


My sentiments, EXACTLY !

Spoken like a true C.E.O. - You're already referring me to an outside agency. :D
Just for you Joe …..post #6933………………

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=6036343&&#post6036343

And if you glance at the title of this thread, you can see that I’m a Sony fan too !

Penton-Man, My sentiments exactly on House. If you haven't seen the final two episodes with Sela Ward, blow out the Moxi and make sure you get them on the rerun. As for Sony, I hope you're enjoying the Q, my dealings with the XS are well noted HERE (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=531971) . All is well now, it's just my lot with Bleeding Edge hardware! ;)
Hugh is nominated for best actor, BTW.

Have I blamed Adelphia for something? or was that CEO Joe?

First day went well. Where were you MG, was going to take you out for a Latte to discus your new VP position. Where are my meds BTW....
:eek:

I have managed to dig up another "bug". Unsure if it has been posted here, but I have searched the forums and haven't found anything.

When I go into a recorded program, if I start fast forwarding right away, the program locks.

I have to start up a program, let it run for about 5 seconds, then start fast forwarding and all is well.

This has happened to me at least ten times over the past few weeks, and it is easily reproducable. Just start a recorded show and try to fast forward it immediately.

My sentiments, EXACTLY !

I have never been one to scream too much on HD space. I realized since we were getting a HD PVR for no initial outlay of money that I couldn't complain too much.

But....

I gotta agree with the sentiment above. The usb port should be operable to allow us to connect an external harddrive and offload some shows. It seems to me that just about any other digital recorder has this option...why not Moxi?

Football season is almost here....MLB playoffs are almost here...NHL season is almost here...any of these programs in HD take up major amounts of the current harddrive. PVR's appeal, in part, to people that are not available when shows are shown live [people who work the 2nd shift for example]. Who wants the pressure of having to watch games within 2 days or risk missing their next scheduled recording? That defeats the purpose of the PVRs.

Bottom line: there needs to be a solution. 1) an upgraded Moxi with much more hd space, 2) a way to offload to usb, or 3) forced to move to satellite.

I have managed to dig up another "bug". Unsure if it has been posted here, but I have searched the forums and haven't found anything.

When I go into a recorded program, if I start fast forwarding right away, the program locks.

I have to start up a program, let it run for about 5 seconds, then start fast forwarding and all is well.

This has happened to me at least ten times over the past few weeks, and it is easily reproducable. Just start a recorded show and try to fast forward it immediately.
i have this problem also, i'm on 3.0 and my cable is adelphia

I'm on 3.2, Charter in Madison, WI.

Note: it does not lock my moxi up, I can hit the moxi button, go to recorded programs, and select it and hit "play" and its fine..

but its freakin annoying :P

I have been using my MOXI for a few months with next to no problems. Unlike most, HD programming is not of major importance to me. I am still using an analog TV and just can't justify the expenditure of buying an HD set given the fact that there are only 8 HD channels available in my area, only two of them being networks (NBC and CBS). I DO have the 3.2 software, but after learning that Charter has no plans for VOD in my area through next April, I am fairly disgusted. So while many in the thread stress HD capabilities, etc., I am more interested in additional HDD space and the more convenient grid guide. I know it's not MOXI's fault, but all the hardware enhancements in the world mean nothing if your cable company doesn't offer them.

Why Yellow?

Why Yellow?
Simple my dear Watson.
It’s in honor of Lance’s unprecedented seventh consecutive year in that color at the end of arguably the world's most grueling race. :)

Simple my dear Watson.
It’s in honor of Lance’s unprecedented seventh consecutive year in that color at the end of arguably the world's most grueling race. :)

Why didn't I think of that! Go Lance!! Live Strong!
:)

That's right Lance! Live Strong! Divorce the Wife who supported you through cancer! Hook up with Sheryl Crow! You're My Hero!

That's right Lance! Live Strong! Divorce the Wife who supported you through cancer! Hook up with Sheryl Crow! You're My Hero!

I don’t want to get WAY off topic here because I think the key is to keep Joe’s eye focused on the primary weakness of the Moxi – GET MORE RECORDING CAPABILITY !!!!!!!!---------

But I feel compelled to respond to this. Initially, I felt as you did, as personally, I have seen (with other people) the same current turn of events that you have described.

I think that it is a tad more complicated than that…not to mention the fact that Lance was so preoccupied with thinking about the situation during the 2004 Tour…..that his form showed it….. so it wasn’t a thoughtless decision.

Apparently from what I know, they are good friends now and the divorce was not a nasty one in which essentially one person dumped the other.

But even if I’m wrong, these things are best left between husband and wife (or ex-wife) rather than outsiders such as ourselves that can only speculate…..unless of course you have some hidden affiliation such as being a close confidant or relative of Kristin. Even then, I feel THAT stuff should be held in strict confidence rather sermonizing on a public internet forum.

Anyway, back to the subject at hand.
Joe, MoxiGuy claims the HD space deficiency is on the table at Digeo headquaters…..

Well, let’s get it off the table and the solution or upgrade into the user’s homes – sometime in the NEAR future.

Like Teran says above, It aint difficult.

I don’t want to get WAY off topic here because I think the key is to keep Joe’s eye focused on the primary weakness of the Moxi – GET MORE RECORDING CAPABILITY !!!!!!!!---------

snip...

Anyway, back to the subject at hand.
Joe, MoxiGuy claims the HD space deficiency is on the table at Digeo headquaters…..

Well, let’s get it off the table and the solution or upgrade into the user’s homes – sometime in the NEAR future.

Like Teran says above, It aint difficult.

Well, I've called a meeting and am waiting for everyone to show up. :confused:

Well, I've called a meeting and am waiting for everyone to show up. :confused:
If you want your old job back at Sony, sorry, I can’t be of help.

But, if you want an invite to the new Holiday product rollout in October in L.A. somewhere (location as yet to be determined) I’ll sees what I can do.

Perhaps you can at least press the flesh with old friends and reminisce about the good ole days at the big “S”.

Anything’s better than being on those meds while waiting ALONE in an empty room. :eek:

If somebody can get me 3.2 and a bigger HDD, i promise to leave Lance alone.
In the meantime, anybody know how to check the hours watched on a Panny 50PX50U?
Can wade through the Panny thread to find it.
Thanks.

If you want your old job back at Sony, sorry, I can’t be of help.

But, if you want an invite to the new Holiday product rollout in October in L.A. somewhere (location as yet to be determined) I’ll sees what I can do.

Perhaps you can at least press the flesh with old friends and reminisce about the good ole days at the big “S”.

Anything’s better than being on those meds while waiting ALONE in an empty room. :eek:

Sounds good to me! The meds are kicking in now... :cool:

If somebody can get me 3.2 and a bigger HDD, i promise to leave Lance alone.
In the meantime, anybody know how to check the hours watched on a Panny 50PX50U?
Can wade through the Panny thread to find it.
Thanks.
Good luck with that.

Well, I've called a meeting and am waiting for everyone to show up. :confused:

Joe, your e-mail said meeting room 27B. We're all sitting here wondering where you are... Is it possible that you took the wrong meds and are actually sitting on the deck of your Malibu beach home?

Joe, your e-mail said meeting room 27B. We're all sitting here wondering where you are... Is it possible that you took the wrong meds?

That's ALWAYS a possibility. I fit right in though, you should SEE the meds the guys who designed the Moxi are on!!! :eek:
Right MG! ;)

I have some info on the 3.2 update for Adelphia Socal customers:








It's August 20th and it ain't here yet. I am going on record. If I don't get the update by the end of the month, Dish 924...Here I come. This is RIDICULOUS.

It's August 20th and it ain't here yet. I am going on record. If I don't get the update by the end of the month, Dish 924...Here I come. This is RIDICULOUS.
I'm as anxious for 3.2 as the next guy, however I have to question your decision-making ability. ;) Don't you think you should base your decision to change providers based on content, rather than a few missing features on the DVR? Or even the lack of HD space? But certainly not because of some things that, while they are surely annoyances, don't really affect what you get to watch?

However, if you think switching will force Adelphia to get the message, then go ahead. Maybe it will mean the rest of us will finally get 3.2! :D

-Dan

I have some info on the 3.2 update for Adelphia Socal customers:








It's August 20th and it ain't here yet. I am going on record. If I don't get the update by the end of the month, Dish 924...Here I come. This is RIDICULOUS.

Relax, I have it on really good authority that Adelphia will push 3.2, BEFORE Hell Freezes Over! :D

I'm as anxious for 3.2 as the next guy, however I have to question your decision-making ability. Don't you think you should base your decision to change providers based on content, rather than a few missing features on the DVR? Or even the lack of HD space? But certainly not because of some things that, while they are surely annoyances, don't really affect what you get to watch?

Question my decision making all you want. However, I ask that you do so AFTER you know the facts of my unique situation. They are as follows:

I rent a room from friends who pay the Adelphia cable bill. All I pay for is the Moxi box. I also already subscribe to the Dish Network HD pack, have the Dish 811HD receiver, and have two dishes and an OTA antenna on the roof. So my bills are as follows: $16 for Dish and $13 for the Moxi box.

Now, this is why the 3.2 upgrade is so important to me: I have BOTH these boxes hooked up to TWO different display devices (a 30" tube HDTV and an HDTV front projector (Sanyo Z3) ) The Dish 811 is hooked up to my PJ via DVI/HDMI and to my TV via component. The Moxi is hooked up to my PJ via component and to my TV via CRAPPY 480i S-VIDEO.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (and to top it off, everytime I want to watch CRAPPY 480i S-VIDEO on my HDTV I have to change the video output on the Moxi box.

IS IT REALLY TOO MUCH TO ASK FOR AN HDTV DVR TO OUTPUT THOUGH BOTH THE COMPONENT AND DVI OUTPUTS IN AUGUST OF 2005?????????

What i will probably do, if Adelphia does not pull it's head out of it's ass by the end of this month, is sell my 811 box, buy a used 921 (for not much more), ugrade my subscription to Dish Network, say goodbye to Moxi and say hello to a 250g hard drive and a DVI output.

If I sound pissed off, it is because I have been being strung along for what seems like FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IS IT REALLY TOO MUCH TO ASK FOR AN HDTV DVR TO OUTPUT THOUGH BOTH THE COMPONENT AND DVI OUTPUTS IN AUGUST OF 2005?????????
No, it's not too much to ask, but the 3.2 upgrade won't solve this for you either, I don't think, as the DVI on the Moxi boxes has not yet been enabled. (I have 3.2 and cannot yet use DVI.)

I think it's pretty safe to say that Charter WILL NEVER support dvi on the current generation of Moxi boxes. It's just like global warming: non existant and never will be, with little hard evidence or no proof to back up claims of said existance. I doubt most people could tell the difference component and dvi connections. I have a pretty large nice widescreen and sure can't tell any pq difference between component and dvi connections. Now if any Charter boxes had HDMI connections, that would be a different story. I rarely post here anymore because there isn't much to say. Once I got 3.2, I said whoop dee doo. 3.2 has not done jack for me. The Moxi is still just as unreliable and buggy as ever. Sorry Moxiguy, I know it's not you're fault. I love the Moxi, but most cable systems are just plain dropping the ball. I'll go and crawl back in to my cave now.
Hey Joe still waiting on 3.2?

No, it's not too much to ask, but the 3.2 upgrade won't solve this for you either, I don't think, as the DVI on the Moxi boxes has not yet been enabled. (I have 3.2 and cannot yet use DVI.)

If I understand it correctly, and it's now my job to. The delay at Adelphia is because they want to enable DVI with the 3.2 push.

I think it's pretty safe to say that Charter WILL NEVER support dvi on the current generation of Moxi boxes. It's just like global warming: non existant and never will be, with little hard evidence or no proof to back up claims of said existance. I doubt most people could tell the difference component and dvi connections. I have a pretty large nice widescreen and sure can't tell any pq difference between component and dvi connections. Now if any Charter boxes had HDMI connections, that would be a different story. I rarely post here anymore because there isn't much to say. Once I got 3.2, I said whoop dee doo. 3.2 has not done jack for me. The Moxi is still just as unreliable and buggy as ever. Sorry Moxiguy, I know it's not you're fault. I love the Moxi, but most cable systems are just plain dropping the ball. I'll go and crawl back in to my cave now.
Hey Joe still waiting on 3.2?

Hey Jay!
Yup we posted at the same time so I didn't see this first. Yeah, Hell hasn't frozen over, yet. To me the DVI isn't for being better, it lets me rearrange my connections and not use my amp as a splitter. I prefer a direct connect on video and the amp can handle the audio.

Question my decision making all you want. However, I ask that you do so AFTER you know the facts of my unique situation. They are as follows:

I rent a room from friends who pay the Adelphia cable bill. All I pay for is the Moxi box. I also already subscribe to the Dish Network HD pack, have the Dish 811HD receiver, and have two dishes and an OTA antenna on the roof. So my bills are as follows: $16 for Dish and $13 for the Moxi box.

Now, this is why the 3.2 upgrade is so important to me: I have BOTH these boxes hooked up to TWO different display devices (a 30" tube HDTV and an HDTV front projector (Sanyo Z3) ) The Dish 811 is hooked up to my PJ via DVI/HDMI and to my TV via component. The Moxi is hooked up to my PJ via component and to my TV via CRAPPY 480i S-VIDEO.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (and to top it off, everytime I want to watch CRAPPY 480i S-VIDEO on my HDTV I have to change the video output on the Moxi box.

IS IT REALLY TOO MUCH TO ASK FOR AN HDTV DVR TO OUTPUT THOUGH BOTH THE COMPONENT AND DVI OUTPUTS IN AUGUST OF 2005?????????

What i will probably do, if Adelphia does not pull it's head out of it's ass by the end of this month, is sell my 811 box, buy a used 921 (for not much more), ugrade my subscription to Dish Network, say goodbye to Moxi and say hello to a 250g hard drive and a DVI output.

If I sound pissed off, it is because I have been being strung along for what seems like FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Why dont you just go buy a component splitter? That seems like it will solve all your problems with a lot less hassle. I believe digital connection . com has some.

Why dont you just go buy a component splitter? That seems like it will solve all your problems with a lot less hassle.
I agree! Quit your whining and solve your problem!! ;)

-Dan

Why dont you just go buy a component splitter? That seems like it will solve all your problems with a lot less hassle. I believe digital connection . com has some.

I got a very nice digital component splitter at Walmart for $19.99

Once I got 3.2, I said whoop dee doo. 3.2 has not done jack for me.
I think that once everyone has received 3.2 --they will start to feel that way after awhile.

I mean, I may be oversimplifying this but it sure seems to me that 3.2 is going to give us a few more bells and whistles and cosmetic changes and native passthrough – which is its greatest attribute as far as I’m concerned.

And as I mentioned before, there IS a work-around solution for this with people that still have 3.0 – just go into the settings category and manually set the output to whatever you wish. Sure it’s a P.I.T.A. but it’s a solution.

There’s NO solution to the hard drive space problem at this time. You either don’t go on an extended vacation, don’t work double shifts or don’t record more than a couple of NFL games in HD.

What the hell, at least give me a firewire port and I’ll buy a JVC DVHS machine for a few hundred bucks and tape the damn programs on HD tape and pretend I live back in the old VCR days. At least THAT would be some kind of solution to increase the Moxi’s recording capability.

What the hell, at least give me a firewire port and I’ll buy a JVC DVHS machine for a few hundred bucks and tape the damn programs on HD tape and pretend I lived back in the old VCR days. At least THAT would be some kind of solution to increase the Moxi’s recording capability.

I'll go along with that. I already have a DVHS machine I was using for that purpose before getting rid of my 6200 box.

Jim

Well there ya go Joe!

That makes 2, so far, from SoCal --and we both used to race motor-sickles to boot !

The moto 6200 of motoman had a firewire port that wasn't simply a vanity port!

I was going to record Spiderman 2 off HBO-HD today to watch later and got the dreaded not enough space message. Can't even record a couple of movies and a few other shows saved back to watch later. I'm beginning to miss having that 6200 box hooked up to my DVHS machine.

I'm still glad to the Moxi. It has spoiled me being able to record HD stuff off the few Adelphia HD channels we do get. I really use it during the new network season when all the shows are new and I need to record a couple to watch later.

We really need more space or a way to archive some of it off the box.

Better get on that Joe you don't want all the old MX racers after you :)

Later,

Jim

Don't forget those of us in adelphia-land if and when we get 3.2 we will be able to use the DVI port! Now back to the lack of hard drive space. MG and anyone from adelphia, Motorola ect ect reading these forums. Put in a a bigger hard drive. considering you can buy a 120 gig HD these days for around $100 (if not cheaper).

Don't forget those of us in adelphia-land if and when we get 3.2 we will be able to use the DVI port! Now back to the lack of hard drive space. MG and anyone from adelphia, Motorola ect ect reading these forums. Put in a a bigger hard drive. considering you can buy a 120 gig HD these days for around $100 (if not cheaper).

BestBuy has a 200G for $50! :eek:

Golly. Got my Moxie Two weeks ago. I'm in Adelphia-land So-Cal :mad:
The land of no ESPN gameplan. Oh dear. Non- HD Signal looked like snow, but had second installer check strength. BIG ISSUE on this system. Fixed strength issue. Now bumbling through recording mistakes. Couldn't sleep last night so I read most of your posts. I feel like I ought to buy you guys a beer. Maybe I shoulda had one myself.

Trying to figure out how to record college football games for my husband without dumping out all my stuff I want to watch later. Looking for expanded memory options, and that's how I wound up here. I now see there is not a solution at present. Go Moxiguy, GO! Please help us!

Till Moxie gets that one off the table and into the programming, what else can I do with this sucker? What device can I use to transfer shows or games or movies for watching later. I need details of what kind of connectors and to what can I connect? I'm not a Tekkie, so please speak s-l-o-w-l-y. Thanks

I have a 55" Phillips LCOS HDTV. Like it plenty, bought it a couple of years ago. Hooked up to an old Bose Home Theatre system, that is driving my whole house sound system for now. Have no recording device at present. I don't count old VHS recorder that is for the sole purpose of showing Veggie Tales and Barney tapes to visiting kids.

Can I get some sort of digital recorder (at Costco?) that I can burn DVDs from this thing (Moxie) of the stuff I want to keep longer than a day? I feel hamstrung by the limited recording possibilities. And a little ticked that I missed Friday night's Battlestar Galactica recording because I didn't set the series episodes to keep at unlimited. I might have skipped the ballgame had I known.

Gotta prepare for football season. Please help me quick! And NO, I DON"T have 3.2 either. I'm in Carlsbad, and have NOTHING good to say about Adelphia.

Grateful Damsel in distress.

Till Moxie gets that one off the table and into the programming, what else can I do with this sucker? What device can I use to transfer shows or games or movies for watching later. I need details of what kind of connectors and to what can I connect? I'm not a Tekkie, so please speak s-l-o-w-l-y. Thanks

Grateful Damsel in distress.
T h e r e i s N O s o l u t I o n!

T H A T d e a r I S t h e p r o b l e m !

I suggest you record Battlestar Galactica, forget about your husband’s college football games (no damn hard drive space on the Moxi), tell him that USC will take the Championship again this year and that he’s close enough to drive up the 5 to see their home games……..

And go shopping at that outlet in Carlsbad.
Great bargains and it keeps your mind off the Moxi.

Meanwhile if MoxiGuy or Joe are attending the Cedia thingee coming up ..........

I suggest you don't wear your name tags with a yellow shirt like the dude in the Capitol One commercial.

Or else, I suspect someone will be coming to get you. :eek: :eek: :eek:

Golly. Got my Moxie Two weeks ago. I'm in Adelphia-land So-Cal
Can I get some sort of digital recorder (at Costco?) that I can burn DVDs from this thing (Moxie) of the stuff I want to keep longer than a day? I feel hamstrung by the limited recording possibilities. And a little ticked that I missed Friday night's Battlestar Galactica recording because I didn't set the series episodes to keep at unlimited. I might have skipped the ballgame had I known.

Gotta prepare for football season. Please help me quick! And NO, I DON"T have 3.2 either. I'm in Carlsbad, and have NOTHING good to say about Adelphia.

Grateful Damsel in distress.

Nothing cheap except for ReplayTVs or Tivos to record SD like the SciFi channel.. You might find an LG LST3410A to get most of the HD but it does require a fair amount of setup. The new Sony uses cablecard, but is too expensive.

Don't forget that the Moxi tends to lie about whether it has space or not.

After a recording, mark things as do not delete and then delete them ASAP after watching. Get a cheapy DVD recorder and try to dump to DVD any SD stuff. Most things are not protected by Macrovision. Only premium HD should be marked copy once.

Trying to figure out how to record college football games for my husband without dumping out all my stuff I want to watch later. Looking for expanded memory options, and that's how I wound up here. I now see there is not a solution at present.
I agree with Ken that a ReplayTV or Tivo is a good option.

Here's the thing (and I know this is a generalization but it's basically true in her case, so don't everyone ream me at once!): You only really need to use the Moxi for recording HD (hi def), premium channels, or digital channels (in Adelphia's case, channel numbers over 100).

So you can get a ReplayTV or Tivo and use it to record the "normal" channels, 2-99. This leaves the Moxi for the other stuff, which should (I think) hold two football games in HD. For sure it will handle one.

By the way, SD on the ReplayTV or Tivo will in general look much better than on the Moxi, at least until 3.2 comes out. My guess is it will still look better even after 3.2, but I have nothing to base this on except gut feeling.

The other point that Ken brought up is worth elaborating on. When the Moxi tells you there's not enough room to record something, in general it's just telling you that with all the things you have scheduled to record, it may need to delete something at some point in the future. Shows that have an exclamation point next to them are things that the Moxi might delete. But it might not delete them either -- it just depends on what space is available when it starts recording something.

So when you're done watching a recording, manually delete it. Keep it cleaned up, and you won't lose as many shows as you might think.

-Dan

Relax, I have it on really good authority that Adelphia will push 3.2, BEFORE Hell Freezes Over! :D

Joe, I hear that it is getting pretty chilly down there and I have doubts about 3.2.

Is your authority any better than mine? Mine = unsubstantiated

Grateful Damsel in distress -
I agree with Ken and Dan's comments as described above.
I was thinking solely in terms of recording capacity for HD programs.

I was thinking solely in terms of recording capacity for HD programs.
Now that I think about it, the fact that my local Adelphia has so little HD content is actually a benefit. Otherwise I'd be screaming about disk space also. As it is, I'm hard-pressed to find more than a few hours each week in HD that's worth watching! :) :mad: :confused:

-Dan

[I]Get a cheapy DVD recorder and try to dump to DVD any SD stuff. Most things are not protected by Macrovision. Only premium HD should be marked copy once.
Please forgive my ingorance, but I am trying to grasp this. That Moxi is so darn limited, and we're idly putting up with it is incomprehensible to me. It's a wonder that Mike the new CEO's family allows him to come home with these limitations still in place. Maybe they get special beta tester privileges and aren't limited at all, and therefore he has a place to sleep. Sorry, I digress.

At Costco online, they have a Toshiba DVR-4 for 250. I like Costco because they still refund my money when I finally figure out that what I bought is junk, long after the other guys tell me to shine it. You said to get a Cheapy DVD recorder and dump off the SD stuff I want. OK. How do I hook up to Moxi to do this?

Should I just skip trying to connect to Moxi and get a Motorola digital box for the MBR and hook up the Toshiba DVR-4 there? Then can I record to DVD the movies I want to watch later and football games we want to keep (when his Big-10 team wins) so we can watch them at our leisure? Or can we only record VHS, then dub over to DVD for storage?

If I had a Fairy godmother who was technical, (are you listening Moxiguy?) I'd like to have external memory storage and retrieval capability for the Moxi, so I can have on tap the junk I need for my granddaughters, the games for my husband, and the movies for me (then I can delete the ones that are crap-- if I buy them at Costco, I feel like I have to keep them around). If I can record a football game, at least I have a hope of being able to see a good block on replay and slo-mo.

No disrespect to Penton-Man, but I hate to shop (although the Carslbad outlets are nice), and don't like So-Cal teams (the Padres just get my hopes up then embarrass me). Please don't tell me that it CAN'T be done, just tell me to try another avenue, maybe lower def, maybe in another room.

Personally, if the Moxi's shortcomings force me to have to buy another component to offload content to, its time to replace the Moxi with something else.

I have pretty much defended the Moxi in the past, but I'm growing very weary of the tiny harddrive and no usb access. I have been waiting for the 9022D/Moxi Mate combination to show up, but that is beginning to seem like a pipe dream.

It just might be time to dial up D* or E*

kelliot wrote:
> Don't forget that the Moxi tends to lie about whether it has space or not. <

An interesting comment, Ken.

When I got my Moxi, I filled it up with HD pretty quickly (maybe ~7 hours), and realized that wasn't going to work for me, so I watched and deleted it all. I was glad I had kept my 6200 and not done an exchange like the cable co. wanted, so I could continue to record to D-VHS, with a device I could rely on (which the Moxi isn't).

I've been using it mostly for SD stuff since, tagging items as Do Not Delete (which takes WAY too many steps in the current UI, BTW), and manually deleting after watching. This has worked OK, but i was surprised the other day when it reported an out of space problem. Upon checking, all I had on the HD was 7 hours of SD content, and 1 hour of HiDef.

This can't possibly be right? I haven't gone into the diagnostic screen yet to see what it has to say about capacity, but the unit has to be more than half empty at this point (unless it's not properly recovering released space).

- Tim

Does anyone know if there are ways to better view upcoming programs and sort recorded shows?

I had Tivo for 2 years, but switch to Moxi seemed like it made sense since I have to have a cable box anyway. But I guess I got spoiled with the menus in Tivo.

I liked being able to see what was on tomorrow or 3 days from now at 8 o'clock, I could see multiple channels at once. With Moxi, (as far as I know) I have to go to each channel and scroll way way down to see that, then go to the next channel etc.

also on recorded shows, I liked being able to switch views between, sort by show or sort my when recorded. That way I could see all things recorded last night or switch and see how many episodes of Family Guy I have, Moxi appears to sort alphabetically by show, so its hard to see what is new and what is old.

so any help is appreciated, or any ideas on where to log suggestions for making Moxi better.

Does anyone know if there are ways to better view upcoming programs and sort recorded shows?

I had Tivo for 2 years, but switch to Moxi seemed like it made sense since I have to have a cable box anyway. But I guess I got spoiled with the menus in Tivo.

I liked being able to see what was on tomorrow or 3 days from now at 8 o'clock, I could see multiple channels at once. With Moxi, (as far as I know) I have to go to each channel and scroll way way down to see that, then go to the next channel etc.

It's pretty obvious that the Moxi team went with STYLE over SUBSTANCE when they laid out their program guide. Your gripe is a very common gripe...just take a look thru this thread and you'll see that. We should be able to pop up the program guide at 7:58 pm and see what is on multiple channels at 8 pm. However instead we have to look at every single channel to see whats coming on next. Sorry...no way around this...that is totally ridiculous and a horrible design. The program guide may look pretty but its not useful.

Secondly, has anyone actually enjoyed skimming thru the On Demand area? I feel like I should be dropping breadcrumbs so I can find my way home.

Just a hint....Stop worrying about making guides pretty....worry about it making sense to your users.

/rant off

Anyone in Charter St. Louis have one of these things? I signed up for the super duper $57.99 2 year special which includes all premium channels, VOD for premium channels, HD channels and a "2-tuner DVR" on July 22nd. (The CSR didn't know the model of the dvr, although I grilled him about it and he did say that it had DVI output.) The dvr's are apparently on backorder and there is no timetable as to when they will arrive. I've put my subscription on hold until they come in. He said he'd call me to re-setup the service when they have them. I'm curious to find out if anyone in this market actually has one.

I'm currently an E* subscriber and have a Model 508 pvr that I've been very satisfied along with an 811 HD receiver. However, I'd like to get something that will record in HD. After spending about an hour in this thread today, I'm a little uh-scared. My intent all along was to sign up for this cable deal and try it out for 30 days. If I didn't like it, I can cancel the cable subscription with no penalty and I can go the 942 route which I hear is available as a leased item now for current subs. (With a $150 "upgrade" fee for when the mpeg4 machines come out.)

I was looking forward to "cost certainty" for 2 years, all of the premium channels and the VOD is a great idea, but the guide alone sounds kind of irritating from a grid user perspective. I'll try to keep an open mind though....that is, if I ever get one.

Now that I think about it, the fact that my local Adelphia has so little HD content is actually a benefit. Otherwise I'd be screaming about disk space also. As it is, I'm hard-pressed to find more than a few hours each week in HD that's worth watching! :) :mad: :confused:
-Dan
Well Dan,
Then you're one lucky man because I find that when we are out of re-run season, practically all my favorite shows are in HD, not to mention the fact that football season has begun.
Before you know it, my Moxi box is all filled up.

This is REALLY a problem if you do a fair amount of traveling or you have a schedule (like Teran mentioned above) that does not allow you to keep on top of the situtation.

One almost gets the feeling that you have to make lifestyle changes to accommodate a machine (the Moxi).

kugumby,

I am one of those St. Louis Charter people - I have had the Moxi since the first week it was offered up to St. Louis. I understand your fear after reading this thread, but take some of this talk with a grain of salt. Let me attempt to give you the pro's and con's and you can see what works best for you. BTW, I too was a Dish sub before my last few years with Charter...

PROS
- a two-tuner DVR that records HD for no initial cost. Dish and DirecTV both charge you a substantial price to purchase something similar.

- VOD is something only cable can offer. We personally use all the 'free' content on VOD, like watching movies from HBO/SHowtime/Starz and HBO series episodes that we missed. They also offer free episodes from Nickelodeon, etc for the kids.

- Pricing - We use Charter for television/phone/internet. I cannot find a better value when I look at alternatives.

CONS
- Charter is a squirrely company. You will have times that you want to ring every Charter employee's neck. They don't seem to value customer service, or even know what customer service means. We have issues with our bill sometimes too, but usually remedied by getting stern with a CSR over the phone.

- Charter is not proactive at all in getting new HD channels. In St. Louis we currently do not have ABC-HD, ESPN2-HD, Discovery-HD, TNT-HD, Universal-HD and the INHD channels. [Charter is adding Discovery-HD, Cinemax-HD and PBS-HD in middle September]. But if you want the newest HD channels when they are first offered, get a dish....Charter never blazes a trail on new technology.

- My last con is really minor gripes and that is the design of the Moxi. I generally am ok with the design flaws because you get the box 'for free' and do not have to pay $600 like D* forces you to pay. But...the harddrive is small, the program guide design is worthless, and there are bugs in a variety of places.

Hope this helps - let me know if you have any questions

Bruce

No disrespect to Penton-Man, but I hate to shop (although the Carslbad outlets are nice), and don't like So-Cal teams (the Padres just get my hopes up then embarrass me). Please don't tell me that it CAN'T be done, just tell me to try another avenue, maybe lower def, maybe in another room.
None taken.

As I said above, I was thinking strictly in terms of HD content.
And if you’re referring to that, it can not be done……..at least not in a cost effective way for most users.

I mean think about it. One could also rent a Moto 6200 (like some of us do) hook it up to a JVC recorder to record Hi-Def stuff and have a solution…..but what the hey, if you don’t already own said JVC recorder to begin with, you deal with that initial expenditure PLUS the monthly bleeding from Adelphia of a second box for what ….about $7.00 - $8.00 a month.

So, if you go that route, you might as well just rent a second Moxi (simply for the extra recording capacity) and forego the Moto 6200/firewire route because after about 2 years everything will even out and by THEN we would all hope that Moxi has a larger hard drive – and in the meantime the 2 Moxi’s would be more versatile than the Moto 6200/firewire/JVC recording method to begin with.

Personally, if the Moxi's shortcomings force me to have to buy another component to offload content to, its time to replace the Moxi with something else.
*
How true you are!
I guess my pleading with them just to give us a working firewire port shows...how desperate I am at this point.

because after about 2 years everything will even out and by THEN we would all hope that Moxi has a larger hard drive – .


We might even have 3.2 by then :D

So, I guess I should be expecting to receive that new firmware upgrade in about a year from now.....

Above post dated 12/4/04

Nope. That'd be wrong. Long before that. But if it turns out that you're right, I'll buy you dinner. You name the restaurant.
Above post dated the same day (12/4/04) just later in the day.

We might even have 3.2 by then :D

Nahhhh. ;)

Above post dated the same day (12/4/04) just later in the day.

Does that mean he's buying dinner for all of us? Where are we going to meet? Joe's house....

Jim

Crustacean. Beverly Hills. The whole crab. It's unbelievable.

And if I have to wait that long, you WILL owe me.

Very good choice!!! We're all in on this one. Easyyyyyyy Money! :D

Does that mean he's buying dinner for all of us? Where are we going to meet? Joe's house....

Jim

Sure and we can all watch my TV with the Moxi! If it's working! :p

Then we can ride over to Crustacean! Not too far.

The dinner offer is still on. And, yes, the clock is ticking and the pages are peeling off the calendar. I may have to cough up on this one. But I'm still confident I won't.

I'll let you out of the dinner for a larger hard drive installed in my Moxi.

Deal???

Jim

At Costco online, they have a Toshiba DVR-4 for 250. I like Costco because they still refund my money when I finally figure out that what I bought is junk, long after the other guys tell me to shine it. You said to get a Cheapy DVD recorder and dump off the SD stuff I want. OK. How do I hook up to Moxi to do this?
another avenue, maybe lower def, maybe in another room.

I was thinking more like a Humax 40 Hour Tivo w/ DVD Recorder ($249 at Costco), not a DVR-4. Putting it in a second room is a good choice.

I saw a cheapy $99 DVD recorder also this weekend, I can't remember where, but the Cyberhome is inexpensive. A less desirable alternative is to connect the output to the S-video output of the Moxi and record a copy while playing the original. This requires changing Moxi settings a lot and is a pain.

For the same room, you might get a cable splitter/amp that permits a bidirectional signal. The RCA Digital 4-Way Bidirectional RF Amplifier Model: DT140M is $39.95 at Best Buy. I just bought one, but haven't hooked it up yet so I don't know how well it works.

Let your husband hook it up and make it a honey dew project if you lack the confidence to do it, but it isn't hard and you can probably figure it out.

I'd love to make that deal. Don't think I can swing it.

I was thinking more like a Humax 40 Hour Tivo w/ DVD Recorder ($249 at Costco), not a DVR-4. Putting it in a second room is a good choice.


Will the TIVO w/ DVD recorder let me actually record premium channels? If so, this is probably what I'll do for now. Adelphia said they'll bring me another Motorola digital box for only 4.95/mo. And no charge for the hookup. I was assuming that was not 495/mo, but with Adelphia one never knows. They told me that you can't hookup a DVD recorder to their digital box, so that's where I'm a little confused......Anyone know?


Let your husband hook it up and make it a honey dew project if you lack the confidence to do it, but it isn't hard and you can probably figure it out.

Would if I could, but can't so I won't. Nice guy, but doesn't do wires. If I need to understand biotech, or BBQ, he's the man! The rat gets off lawn duty too!

'Fraid I'm on my own here, that's why I'm asking you guys for some gallant help!
And it is MUCH appreciated!

Grateful Damsel :D

Does anyone know if there are ways to better view upcoming programs and sort recorded shows?...so any help is appreciated, or any ideas on where to log suggestions for making Moxi better.Both these suggestions have been made before and will be part of upcoming software versions. The improvement on viewing upcoming shows is planned for first half of next year. I don't have a timeframe for the second.

Both these suggestions have been made before and will be part of upcoming software versions. The improvement on viewing upcoming shows is planned for first half of next year. I don't have a timeframe for the second.

That's 6-12 months from now...we have to deal with the poorly designed program guide for that long??

Would it be accurate to say that this product is still in beta?

Would it be accurate to say that this product is still in beta?

ding ding ding ding ding

:D

QUESTIONS for MoxiGuy or who ever might know the answer to my questions

Btw LOVE everything about moxi, but the things that kills me the most (but not limited to)

ISSUE#1 RE: “freezing”, “re-boot”, slow processor

…“freezing”
…having to “re-boot” the damn thing more than once a day!
…“slow response to commands” (obviously a slow processor!)………when I say “slow”, I mean verry sloooow response to commands. Slow in reacting if in the middle or even not in the middle of anything!

I know that were still at the early stage of having our moxi but, above mentioned are just waaay tooo frustrating (gotta be corrected!)……..oh yeah……small storage too (something that everyone has already mentioned)

(I know, I know…..the response speed has improved compared to how slow it was from last year, but there are times that moxi decides to be slow in replying to your commands even though moxi is not doing anything at all!….which has been the most frustrating part. I’m pretty sure a lot of you guys in here agree with me on this one)

….so, is there anyone out there that can give pointers on how to make moxi respond faster? and freeze less?

I know that moxi is a “computer”, so keeping the unit cool is imperative (which I have been doing already, by having a small fan facing the unit)…So aside from keeping the unit cool what else do you guys recommend or have tested to make the unit respond faster and freeze less?



ISSUE#2 Buying Alienware’s Media Center

Because of the frustrating experiences mentioned above, I thought about buying Alienware’s Media Center or a Dell desktop with DVR functionality.
It might be pricey but I figured I wont be experiencing “turtle reaction syndrome” & have a GIGANTIC storage to with it, but before I buy Alienware’s Media Center or Dell’s, I’ll assume that Ticker, VOD, PPV, etc… will be gone, (unless someone in here knows or has experienced Window’s Media Center and can share the pros & cons of it)



ISSUE#3 Charter Cable’s moxi–will work in-Adelphia Cable’s connection?

Saw a moxi for sale in North Carolina (Charter Cable’s area of service)
Will a moxi from another state (ie: Charter Cable’s moxi) work when connected to So.Cali’s Adelphia’s connection?
How about if I “triggered” the “Customer Information Trigger”, will that out-of-state moxi work after that step?
If not, what else does one need to do to make an out-of-state moxi work in Adelphia’s region?

Welcome to our world em2023! Now you know our pain. It's just sad that my replay tv that I had over 5+ years ago was more dependable than my moxi is now. Sorry moxiguy and the like, it's just the UNDISPUTABLE truth. Now only if there were an alternative that could record HD, I think most of us would be there! **PARODY** Contestant: Alex, I'd like Home Electronics for $200 dollars. Alex:What company was at the forefront of the DVR revolution of 2005? Contestant:Ummmm Moxi? Alex:Sorry, the answer we were looking for is Tivo. Audience sighs in pity. How bout that one Joe?

Don't forget that the Moxi tends to lie about whether it has space or not.
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Excellent example of personification. :D

[QUOTE=em2023]"QUESTIONS forwho ever[/U] might know the answer to my questions
there are times that moxi decides to be slow in replying to your commands even though moxi is not doing anything at all!….which has been the most frustrating part."

Personification in this case would be…….
Your Moxi is either stubborn or anti-social.

Don’t feel too bad, ALL of our Moxi’s are impotent in regards to storage....ala.....
Female Tivo meets male Moxi in the early morning hours of your home theater when the lights are out.

Moxi undresses and reveals his “storage space.”
Tivo muses…..”Where’s da beef ?????”

ISSUE#1 RE: “freezing”, “re-boot”, slow processor

…“freezing”
…having to “re-boot” the damn thing more than once a day!
…“slow response to commands” (obviously a slow processor!)………when I say “slow”, I mean verry sloooow response to commands. Slow in reacting if in the middle or even not in the middle of anything!
The freezing and rebooting isn't normal. You should have the cable company check the signal strength on your cable. If it's OK, then get the unit replaced.

As far as the slow response: It's probably related to what I just said. But another possibility is if you're not using the Moxi's remote. I'm using a Harmony remote, and the response is *much* slower than with the Moxi's remote. I've tried fiddling with all the timing settings, but no help. Just thought I'd mention this just in case it applied to you.

-Dan

Welcome to our world em2023! Now you know our pain. It's just sad that my replay tv that I had over 5+ years ago was more dependable than my moxi is now. Sorry moxiguy and the like, it's just the UNDISPUTABLE truth. Now only if there were an alternative that could record HD, I think most of us would be there! **PARODY** Contestant: Alex, I'd like Home Electronics for $200 dollars. Alex:What company was at the forefront of the DVR revolution of 2005? Contestant:Ummmm Moxi? Alex:Sorry, the answer we were looking for is Tivo. Audience sighs in pity. How bout that one Joe?

I have two, networked ReplayTVs. Compared to Moxi, Moxi can record HD (not much of it, but HD) but nothing more. The RTV wins on all other counts. TiVo would be the same if I had that.
I keep calling these "all hands" meetings, but I keep being the only one who shows up. Typical Moxi/Digeo attitude. Why fix it when we can stallllllllllll.
If they keep ignoring me, I may just leave. :cool:

ISSUE#1 RE: “freezing”, “re-boot”, slow processor

…“freezing”
…having to “re-boot” the damn thing more than once a day!
…“slow response to commands” (obviously a slow processor!)………when I say “slow”, I mean verry sloooow response to commands. Slow in reacting if in the middle or even not in the middle of anything!

em2023:

Dan is right: you've either got a bad signal or a bad box or both.
I've been pretty lucky: only one freeze/reboot in the 10 months or so I've had Moxi, and I think I pressed too many buttons too quickly and confused the thing.

I've got issues -- capacity capacity capacity ... and capacity -- but freezing isn't one of them.

barry

em2023:

Dan is right: you've either got a bad signal or a bad box or both.
I've been pretty lucky: only one freeze/reboot in the 10 months or so I've had Moxi, and I think I pressed too many buttons too quickly and confused the thing.

I've got issues -- capacity capacity capacity ... and capacity -- but freezing isn't one of them.

barry


Yeah I haven't had any freezing either on my moxi, at least not in a real long time. But slowness I have noticed. Seems like since 3.2 I have to reboot my box a lot more often to keep the interface going at a speed that is reasonable. Otherwise I sit impaciently clicking the OK button over and over on a recorded item till it finally decides its ready to move on and start playing it. Other than slowness & lack of storage I am still loving my moxi. But with new seasons starting soon that lack of storage gonna really start sucking soon.

Phatty

....
Secondly, has anyone actually enjoyed skimming thru the On Demand area? I feel like I should be dropping breadcrumbs so I can find my way home.

/rant off

I also would agree, going through On Demand, is a very long process. A lot of teaser things shown, then you have to hit ok to go further, then ok to get further again, again and again. It really sucks going through the On Demand menu. Seems like with so much stuff to be listed in on demand the moxi really wastes a lot of space sticking to the pretty one line selections accross the center of the screen. I would rather have a full screen, or almost full screen menu pop up that shows the majority of the different categories. Kind of like how the old Motorola boxes did. OnDemand seems to be growing quite a bit, and this one line stuff just does not cut it when there are so many different categories/channel options in the VOD menu.

Phatty

The unfortunate part is that there is a "monopoly" of sorts with this box and the cable companies. It would be nice to have a choice between a beta box like this or something that works.

I know that sounds harsh, and the moxi is good in theory, but in reality it is nothing more than buggy software running on an underpowered computer. It's like playing an alpha of Doom 3 on a 386.

I understand the desire to have something that looks good, but why not give it the hardware so it also runs well?

I don't like the menus much, they aren't all that functional (another call for a grid system, I know it won't happen). That being said, I could easily get used to it and probably even enjoy it if it didn't take 5 seconds to do something as simple as changing a channel.

Like I said, the box is good in theory. I think with a few bug fixes and some more RAM/processing power put in it will be fine, but if it takes almost a year to make some mundane "easy" fixes, I don't see this happening anytime soon :(

Since we're in the complaining mood...

Another thing that is painfully slow is the add/remove channel process. It's slow scrolling through the channels. You can't hold down the scroll button, because the commands get queued and when you release the button, you have to wait until it decides to stop scrolling. And you can't enter the channel number and go right to that channel.

I know I don't use this very often, but come on guys, how hard can it be to make something like this work quickly? Do the people at Diego even use their product? I can't believe a developer would be happy with this kind of response. And if it doesn't bother them, that doesn't say a lot for the quality of the developers! (Speaking as a developer myself).

-Dan

PS to Zith: I forgot to say that I agree with you!

Do the people at Diego even use their product?
THAT is EXACTLY what I would like to know.
As apparently some people have found bugs in the 3.2 that MoxiGuy was unaware of ?

And I thought that the Diego employees were the first to "beta-test" 3.2 before it was released to Charter.

QUESTIONS for MoxiGuy or who ever might know the answer to my questions

Btw LOVE everything about moxi, but the things that kills me the most (but not limited to)

ISSUE#1 RE: “freezing”, “re-boot”, slow processor

…“freezing”
…having to “re-boot” the damn thing more than once a day!
…“slow response to commands” (obviously a slow processor!)………when I say “slow”, I mean verry sloooow response to commands. Slow in reacting if in the middle or even not in the middle of anything!


I have the same problem with mine. Sometimes it freezes and then reboots itself when watching recorded shows. It typically only happens once every few weeks. Lately it's been happening every day (probably 7-8 times in the last few days.) It's really annoying since it takes about ten minutes to reboot the damn thing! Kind of seems like the hard drive has bad sectors.

My box also is slow to respond too, but it seems only to happen when I first start using it after its been sitting idle.

I also lost all of my channel lineup/guide data for 3 weeks a few months back so I couldn't record anything. Tech came out and mentioned another person in the complex had the same problem. Said they would "hit the box" and a day later all was well.

I'm really getting annoyed about the delay in 3.2 rollout. I hate watching 4:3 stuff stretched in a 16:9 window and I refuse to keep switching between the two!

Lot of MOXI bashing going on lately. I now know why people from California are moving to Bend, Oregon. We got 3.2 in March, MoxiMate with 160 Gig storage (the last three pages of this thread are about storage) in May, about to get digital output of all stations, and talk about new Samsung boxes soon. And Bend Cable just started 7 day a week service calls! We may get 4.0 before SoCal gets 3.2. That has got to be an Adelphia issue.

I just had my first box freeze ever--the screen on the box went crazy!!! My goal is to keep the Adelphia type cable companies away and be grateful that BendCable is continuing to take care of its customers. People still complain about them anyway.

Since Joe is now the CEO, maybe we can get MOXI GUY and the gang to come to Bend for vacation. Joe, you did negotiate vacation into your contract??

As an older person, I do appreciate the forum and big thanks for the SPL MOXI FAQ.

[QUOTE=kzam]Lot of MOXI bashing going on lately. I now know why people from California are moving to Bend, Oregon. We got 3.2 in March, MoxiMate with 160 Gig storage (the last three pages of this thread are about storage) in May, about to get digital output of all stations, and talk about new Samsung boxes soon. And Bend Cable just started 7 day a week service calls! We may get 4.0 before SoCal gets 3.2. That has got to be an Adelphia issue.
QUOTE]


Just for kickers, knowing that prices will not directly relate to SoCal Adelphia (got to have extra $$ here to pay for original impressionist paintings), how much does the moxi mate and the 160 Gig storage cost you? Did you have to buy the storage separately?

BTW, Bend is really a nice place, but I had no idea that it was so progressive!

Impressed and jealous ;) Nah, just not holding my breath.......

Lot of MOXI bashing going on lately. I now know why people from California are moving to Bend, Oregon. We got 3.2 in March, MoxiMate with 160 Gig storage (the last three pages of this thread are about storage) in May, about to get digital output of all stations, and talk about new Samsung boxes soon. And Bend Cable just started 7 day a week service calls! We may get 4.0 before SoCal gets 3.2. That has got to be an Adelphia issue.
Showoff. :p

-Dan

Hey Moxiguy, I know you can't tell us when or what year, but is the plan to get us moximate with storage capability when 3.2 is pushed?

Is this perhaps to be sooner (in a relative sense) rather than later? Should I delay my purchase of a TiVO/DVD burner for college football season? I have until Sept 3 til I MUST do something. I can actually wait a little longer 'cause I know a guy who will burn a copy of the desired game for me.

Temporarily holding my breath.....

should I be worried about the color BLUE???

Lot of MOXI bashing going on lately.

I actually call it Moxi MASHING.

I now know why people from California are moving to Bend, Oregon.
Careful, careful, you’ll do to Bend what some relatives and friends did to Colorado.
Want to keep it nice?, keep it a secret.

For seasoned people, Bend has outstanding golf courses.

For the adrenalin junkies out there, some of the best mountain biking on the best coast.

Since Joe is now the CEO, maybe we can get MOXI GUY and the gang to come to Bend for vacation. Joe, you did negotiate vacation into your contract??
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Joe gave up vacation for stock options with Digeo and Charter but, recently I’ve seen him wandering around the gate of the Sony lot in Culver City murmuring Tivo, Blu-ray….Qualia…..Sir Howard take me back!

I have until Sept 3 til I MUST do something. I can actually wait a little longer 'cause I know a guy who will burn a copy of the desired game for me.

Temporarily holding my breath.....

You’re killin me Hot Tunes, WHAT college football game? BBQ, biotech, Carlsbad….Hmmm that wouldn’t happen to be Beckman errrrr Beckman-Coulter with the hubbie would it?

Sorry for the multiple postings folks but, I have a bet that I can match Rogo’s post total before Digeo takes the storage space problem off the table and implements a solution in people’s homes.

Hmmmm, only about 20,837 posts to go. I should make it with time to spare.

Ha- Ha! Didn't want to mention the college, 'cause people get so uptight about these rivalries. Let's say he picked scarlet and grey granite for our Master Bath. I saw a go-blue poster way back some , and didn't want to get in a shouting match. Maybe he'd be vicious and give me bad info. Hey, I'm the one who needs some help here, no room to tick anyone off just because of College preferences. Besides, I don't know where MoxiGuy went to school. and certainly wouldn't want to tick off Joe, now that he has the power to help us all......so we can aspire to be like Bend.

Carlsbad is incidental. Telecommutes.

I used Coulter Counters in college though, and used Beckman 'scopes. But then, I went to a State school in SoCal with a confused aboriginal as a mascot (no longer welcome, of course -- but then, we'd never get into post-season, so not an issue).

THE Game is not Sept 3, just the FIRST game.

So what would that be?

About 87 days, 16hours and 53 min. before the BIG game?
Moxi mate by then, surrrre.

All we can do is ask, right? Aren't we customers as important to Digeo as the ones in Bend?

I'm guessing it's not how important we are to Digeo, tho', it's how WORTHLESS they treat us at Adelphia. Guess I better go spend the bucks and get the TiVO.

The dratted thing, is, even the Dumb games are worth watching when its football! That's why we need the Moximate!

All we can do is ask, right? Aren't we customers as important to Digeo as the ones in Bend?

I'm guessing it's not how important we are to Digeo, tho', it's how WORTHLESS they treat us at Adelphia. Guess I better go spend the bucks and get the TiVO.

The dratted thing, is, even the Dumb games are worth watching when its football! That's why we need the Moximate!

I stand my contention that Adelphia is stalling until it becomes TWC and they move us all to an alternative beta DVR.

Since we're in the complaining mood...



Well then, here's mine. I have a Moxi with Adelphia that I use to record HD, but can't stand watching the stretched SD, so I also pay for a CableCard (luckily my tv can take one of those) and run a second line directly into my tv. Then I have a third line going into my dvd-recorder so I can record SD in 4:3 aspect ratio. The CableCard is just four bucks, but Adelphia also puts a surcharge of $5 on my Moxi since it is now a "second device" in addition to my CableCard. Screw me once, flip me over, and do me again.

Version 3.2 with native aspect ratio pass through could take me down to a single cable and remote for all my tv viewing. What a concept.

Aaah . . . it feels good to get that out of my system once every six months while we're waiting for 3.2 :)

sorry to repost this guys, just incase fellow members might have missed my previous question/post.


Quest#1 = Will North Carolina's Charter Cable moxi work in So.Cal's Adelphia's area?
Quest#2 = What are the pros & cons of Window’s Media Center vs. moxi? any1 in here have experience with Window’s Media Center?

any input would be greatly appreciated.

thx in advance

Bend, Oregon. We got 3.2 in March,

snip........................................................ .................

I just had my first box freeze ever--the screen on the box went crazy!!!


A premonition of things to come ??????

Version 3.2 At Bat………errrrr Adelphia SoCal A poem by Penton Dash Man

The outlook wasn't brilliant for the AVS faithful that day:
The score stood…. firmware 3.0, with but 4 months to play
And then, announced delay after delay, with nary a hint of shame
A pall-like silence fell upon the patrons of the game.

A straggling few got up to go in deep despair. The rest
Clung to that hope which springs eternal in the human breast;
They thought, "If only 3.2 could but get a whack at that—
We'd keep our Moxi’s…..what with…… 3.2 at the bat!

But 2.8 preceded 3.2, as did also the 3.0 jest
And the former was hated, while the later a beta-test
So upon that stricken multitude grim melancholy sat,
For there seemed but little chance of 3.2 getting to the bat.

But Bend released it to its subscribers, to the wonderment of all,
And Charter, the much despised, got it out before fall,
And with summer drawing to a close, the AVS faithful saw what had occurred,
3.2 in Bend as with Charter goes, and with SoCalGuy’s pull, yet a third!

Then from five thousand throats and more there rose a lusty yell;
It rumbled through the valley, it rattled in the dell;
It pounded on the mountain and recoiled upon the val,
For 3.2, mighty 3.2, was advancing to Adelphia SoCal !

There was ease in 3.2’s manner as the new version pumped into the boxes on lease
With nary, not even a hint!, of a reboot or freeze!
And when, responding to the signal, it allowed native passthrough
No AVS forum member could doubt – That’s 3.2 !!

Ten thousand eyes were upon it, as it fixed a couple of bugs
Ten thousand arms rejoiced with outright Moxi box hugs
Then when a menu attempted its former known delay
Defiance flashed in 3.2’s memory and menus flashed like rays!

But after several months of testing, which apparently the Digeo employees forgot….
The Adelphia SoCal subscribers noted that……. this new version was indeed not so hot!

Oh, somewhere in this favored land the sun is shining bright,
The band is playing somewhere, and somewhere hearts are light;
And somewhere videophiles are laughing, and somewhere children shout,
But there is no joy in SoCal—mighty 3.2 has struck out.


Epilogue

Just funnin with you Digeo, nothing personal to MoxiGuy, no doubt
I sincerely hope the 3.2 version does work out
I’d prefer Adelphia push it when ready, rather than in haste
But what alot of us REALLY want is more STORAGE SPACE !

*Joe, if you’re still with the company, feel free to post this in that conference room reserved for your next meeting.

Sorry for the multiple postings folks but, I have a bet that I can match Rogo’s post total before Digeo takes the storage space problem off the table and implements a solution in people’s homes.

Hmmmm, only about 20,837 posts to go. I should make it with time to spare.

Easy! :D

Well then, here's mine. I have a Moxi with Adelphia that I use to record HD, but can't stand watching the stretched SD, so I also pay for a CableCard (luckily my tv can take one of those) and run a second line directly into my tv. Then I have a third line going into my dvd-recorder so I can record SD in 4:3 aspect ratio. The CableCard is just four bucks, but Adelphia also puts a surcharge of $5 on my Moxi since it is now a "second device" in addition to my CableCard. Screw me once, flip me over, and do me again.

Version 3.2 with native aspect ratio pass through could take me down to a single cable and remote for all my tv viewing. What a concept.

Aaah . . . it feels good to get that out of my system once every six months while we're waiting for 3.2 :)

Same for me, the Moxi was the first device so Cablecard became the second. So, no matter how many times I asked how much it cost ($1.75) the reality came on the bill ($5). Adelphia only knows how to train their employees to lie and lie and lie. Then they screw you. Great Business Plan.

Ans, that's why I work for Digeo!

*Joe, if you’re still with the company, feel free to post this in that conference room reserved for your next meeting.


Done, it's a masterpiece! :cool:

Post of the year, Penton-Man! :D

pj1016

Bravo! It may not make any difference, but it does make us smile, and perhaps help us to be more patient. Thanks mucho!

Quest#1 = Will North Carolina's Charter Cable moxi work in So.Cal's Adelphia's area?You can't just plug it in and expect it to work. All digital cable boxes are designed so that they only work when authorized by the local operator. If the box came from Charter, I expect that Charter still owns it. I'm not aware that they are reselling these boxes. I also expect that Adelphia is unlikely to authorize a box that a customer brings to the party. (These policies are beginning to change because of CableCARD technology. With a CableCARD-enabled TV or box, the local company authorizes the card... and the card can be inserted into whatever CableCARD aware equipment the customer owns. Current genertion of CableCARD can't support 2-tuner boxes such as Moxi.)
Quest#2 = What are the pros & cons of Window’s Media Center vs. moxi? any1 in here have experience with Window’s Media Center?Moxi advantages: HDTV; no spyware, viruses; Moxi Multi-room versions won't require high-speed home networks--they distribute high-quality TV signals over your in-home cable, where MC uses extender boxes (that need to run over high-speed local networks.) Someone else might want to answer for Windows MC advantages.

Joe... can we open a job requisition for Poet Laureate? I think we have a candidate. I've forwarded the opus widely--including to our other CEO.

Joe... can we open a job requisition for Poet Laureate? I think we have a candidate. I've forwarded the opus widely--including to our other CEO.

Other CEO?? OK, as you wish. But, VERY good call. There is greatness among us! You're doing very well as our new marketing chief! :)
P-M the job is yours for the taking! Pays handsomely too, BTW. Actually more than MG, just don't tell him. :cool:

At least you people have something specific to complain about. I have Charter cable in suburban Atlanta, and can't even get a DVR. When I call, they get nervous and tell me they have no idea when it will be available. Charter sucks!

I have Charter cable in suburban Atlanta, and can't even get a DVR.
In your case, I would say it's in a Charter van still stuck in traffic somewhere on the Perimeter. :eek:

P-M the job is yours for the taking! Pays handsomely too, BTW. Actually more than MG, just don't tell him. :cool:
Well thank you, thank you; however, the opus was but a lark
Written in frustration..............
With the hopes that Mr. Fidler would give it a hark.

You see I am more of a science type guy and I think? this is a Science forum :eek: (yes Joe, I admit to House-ian admonishment)

(On that later note since we are celebrating teaching institutions recently, I am proud to say I believe the teaching staff at JHH in Baltimore is superior to that of the fictitious institution where House and his Fellows practice.....but they sure have nice grounds on the aerial views!!!!)

But, I digress, that was yet another time on another coast – before there was Hi-Def.

Anyway, this……
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=5491307&&#post5491307

is the sort of stuff that is more akin to my background.

So, if a position does indeed present itself, I would have to respectfully decline……
As you can sees from the link above my English isn’t that goods all the time………

Penton Dash Man

The large, national cable operators (Comcast, Time Warner Cable, Cox, Charter, Adelphia) were formed by joining together numerous local systems. As a result, many of them have inherited complex systems with technical variations across their network. Independent systems such as BendBroadband have an advantage in being able to manage a more unified technical plant. This is the technical reason that we were able to get Moxi 3.2 and multi-room tuned up for Bend faster than for Adelphia.

All in all, the number of installed Moxi accounts in SoCal is on the order of fifty times larger than Bend, operating over a much larger physical territory, from multiple head ends and dozens of variations in local channel maps. In Bend, it's one channel map, one head-end, one community.

Adelphia isn't stalling and neither is Digeo. Getting 3.2 approved for release in Adelphia is a top priority for our technical and QA teams.

With regard to storage... it's not the Moxi Mate that has the storage, but rather the main box. The media center for multi-room is called BMC9022. (The single room version is 9012. You can't add a Moxi mate to your current 9012. You have to swap it out for a 9022.) 9022 has a 160 Gigabyte hard drive, a built-in CD / DVD drive, and the extra bit of stuff it needs to communicate with the Mate.

As for when multi-room moves from the independents to the nationals... It will be a gradual, market-by-market release. I'll share details when we get there. Pre-announcements tend to be unreliable and frustrating all around.

We are planning that in the next generation of Moxi hardware (the Samsung Home Media Center) the hard drive size will jump from the current 80Gb drive to 160.

As for add-on drives... there's nothing new to report to the forum... but I am reporting the high degree of interest back to management and product development at Digeo. We hear you.

Performance of the menu... not so much a HW issue as software architecture. Big improvements coming--even with current hardware. Timeframe? We have to get through 3.2 first.

MG

This is my first post. Hope I do it right.

I just got a Moxi box from Adelphia. The HD storage capacity is terrible. My dealer recommends the Sony replacement that has a 500gb hard drive. I understand that I lose PPV and VOD, that I have to use the TV Guide menu system, and that it costs about $850. I am also told that it has a better SD tuner, handles different aspect ratios, and uses a HDMI interface. I've only seen it mentioned once in this thread. It seems like a great alternative. Is the only problem the cost, or is there something else I should know?

This is my first post. Hope I do it right.

I just got a Moxi box from Adelphia. The HD storage capacity is terrible. My dealer recommends the Sony replacement that has a 500gb hard drive.I've only seen it mentioned once in this thread. It seems like a great alternative. Is the only problem the cost, or is there something else I should know?
No, you did it right, not to worry.

I would start reading about here……..
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=5644324&&#post5644324

I haven’t kept up with it but I think first impressions eventually change from negative to positive.

Keep in mind that I would not call it a great alternative, rather something like a needed supplement to the Moxi.

But at $850 a pop that's an expensive supplement for some.

Post of the year, Penton-Man! :D

pj1016
Oh shucks,
You’re too kind.

The little known fact that Joe failed to reveal ….was that he handed me some of those drugs he takes.........which may have provided the inspiration. :eek:

(On that later note since we are celebrating teaching institutions recently, I am proud to say I believe the teaching staff at JHH in Baltimore is superior to that of the fictitious institution where House and his Fellows practice.....but they sure have nice grounds on the aerial views!!!!)

But, I digress, that was yet another time on another coast – before there was Hi-Def.


Penton Dash Man

I'll digress too, for a moment. In those "Aerial views", does that UPS truck EVER leave??? :confused: </digress off>

We are planning that in the next generation of Moxi hardware (the Samsung Home Media Center) the hard drive size will jump from the current 80Gb drive to 160.


MG

OMG!!! A 160G drive in a "Next Generation" box is AS BIG A JOKE as a 80G in this generation. What are they thinking?? They are still 3 years behind a DirecTiVo! </rant off>
I'm calling a meeting right away!

Oh shucks,
You’re too kind.

The little known fact that Joe failed to reveal ….was that he handed me some of those drugs he takes.........which may have provided the inspiration. :eek:

I get mine from Gregory! :cool:

OMG!!! A 160G drive in a "Next Generation" box is AS BIG A JOKE as a 80G in this generation. What are they thinking?? They are still 3 years behind a DirecTiVo! </rant off>
I'm calling a meeting right away!


Haha... That was about the same reaction I had.. either they need to reconsider that size... Or there top and only priority needs to be getting the software to support add on hard drives (and that would include the current gen moxi as well)


Phatty

Wow. I just read the post from the Moxi rep that in their next generation hardware they would be moving ALL THE WAY to a 160 gb hard drive. I am (almost) speechless.

I have been a DirecTV customer since 1997 and have had a SD DirecTivo for the last three years. A few months ago I moved to HD and thought I would try Charter and the Moxi so I could continue with a DVR for HD. Back then the HD DirecTivo was still around $600 and I did not want to spend the money or replace my old round dish.

Here it is two months later and I am having Charter come and pick the Moxi DVR up for all of the reasons posted here over and over again. The most recent comment about the vast increase in hard drive space is just over the top. I really wanted this thing to work and I am disappointed. Competition is always good.

DirecTV is now tossing their HD DirecTivo out the door for about $199 and I picked one up. I am glad to have the Tivo back (even if I had to install a new dish). (btw, for anyone interested in getting the $199 HD directivo and are in one of the top 12 dmas, you may want to check in over at the Tivo Community forums before you do...)

Good luck to everyone who is stuck with this thing, I really do hope things improve.

Wow. I just read the post from the Moxi rep that in their next generation hardware they would be moving ALL THE WAY to a 160 gb hard drive. I am (almost) speechless.

I have been a DirecTV customer since 1997 and have had a SD DirecTivo for the last three years. A few months ago I moved to HD and thought I would try Charter and the Moxi so I could continue with a DVR for HD. Back then the HD DirecTivo was still around $600 and I did not want to spend the money or replace my old round dish.

Here it is two months later and I am having Charter come and pick the Moxi DVR up for all of the reasons posted here over and over again. The most recent comment about the vast increase in hard drive space is just over the top. I really wanted this thing to work and I am disappointed. Competition is always good.

DirecTV is now tossing their HD DirecTivo out the door for about $199 and I picked one up. I am glad to have the Tivo back (even if I had to install a new dish). (btw, for anyone interested in getting the $199 HD directivo and are in one of the top 12 dmas, you may want to check in over at the Tivo Community forums before you do...)

Good luck to everyone who is stuck with this thing, I really do hope things improve.

I'm in one of the 12 DMAs. I've been meaning to call DirecTV customer retention to see what deal I can get. I'm paying too much for this crap, but would really like HD-VOD. I see that is currently a pipe-dream. I currently have:
NFL ST and HD-pack;
Adelphia Moxi with UltimatePack and cable internet;
Dish premiums.

I want two rooms with everything and beaucoup HD record capability.

I hate all three of these providers for trying to screw me. This crap costs more than gasoline, I don't see why people are so pissed about oil, they should be pissed at Holllywood for the high cost of entertainment.

Moxi and Adelphia could win but its unlikely at this point. DTV has the best shot, but it depends on their MP4 rollout.

In November it will be one year since I got this box.

Based on MoxiGuy's post, it is not going to be until the first half of 2006 (at the earliest) until we see menu improvements, etc.

That is a year and a half, at the bare minimum, before the menus MIGHT be put to where they should have been.

Anyone else think that is unacceptable?

Why was this product released in the first place with such buggy software? I can make it freeze at will by just starting a recorded show and pressing fast forward right away.

My friends come over for a ball game, and they ask me why the heck I have this thing that takes 5 seconds to change shows. My answer? It is the only thing I can get that records HD.

I know this is a rant, but how hard is it *really* to make something work? Why does it take a year and a half AFTER the product is released to get an improvement on the software?

It's frustrating.

Sorry for the rant, again. After seeing a "promise" of a 160 gig hard drive I laughed, then had to come post this because that's just silly.

Anyone else think that is unacceptable?
Right there with you Zith. I've been using the GF's DTV Tivo lately and it's like night and day. I think the Moxi's navigation is a little more intuitive but the speed is just absurdly slow. In September I'll have had mine for a year - don't even get me started on the hdd issue. I think that's an even bigger sin. And you're right - to only move to a 160gb hdd at this point in time is just unacceptable. I'm just glad it doesn't auto-record stuff it "thinks" you might like as the Tivo does - then we'd really be in trouble...

I'll digress too, for a moment. In those "Aerial views", does that UPS truck EVER leave??? :confused: </digress off>
LOL, LOL.....

You just got to go with the flow Joe!
I could tell you some of the things that House’s fellows see on the Ultrasound screen that just AINT there….or be something entirely different.

But I just rack it up to the ambiance of the show.
I think you’re just becoming too much of a perfectionist at your new job.

OMG!!! A 160G drive in a "Next Generation" box is AS BIG A JOKE as a 80G in this generation. What are they thinking?? I'm calling a meeting right away!

I got it now !
Your subordinates are NOT taking their meds as prescribed for their condition; therefore they suffer from "delusions of GRANDEUR"(actually a well known symptom in some with altered mental status).

Thank Godness, at least the CEO is compliant and well titrated with the proper dosage.

At the meeting, just make sure they are not hiding their pills under their tongues on the pass-around.....then spitting them out when they leave the conference room. :mad:

Would if I could, but can't so I won't. Nice guy, but doesn't do wires. If I need to understand biotech, or BBQ, he's the man! The rat gets off lawn duty too!...
I'm in Carlsbad and work in biotech, too, but I also do the A/V wiring and the lawn. :)

Your question has probably already been answered for you, but your best bet is probably to get a DVD recorder with an analog tuner built in. You should be able to hook it up simultaneously to both your cable (for direct recording of analog channels) and to your Moxi (for transferring programs off the Moxi hard drive). Check out my SPL Moxi FAQ (http://users.adelphia.net/~ksoltmann/SPLMoxiFAQ.htm) for more information (particularly the "SET-UP->Video connections" and the "RECORDING - HARDWARE->Archiving recorded programs" sections).

I'm in Carlsbad and work in biotech, too, but I also do the A/V wiring and the lawn. :)

I didn't think ANYONE in California still cut their own lawn. :eek:
Ya da man!

B.T.W. - I think that splinke's link is one of the absolute best things about this thread.

I have the solution for how to record lots of HDTV:

Slashdot Article on Terabyte Recorder (http://hardware.slashdot.org/hardware/05/08/24/2316245.shtml?tid=126&tid=137)

From the article: "Japan's Hitachi Ltd. on Wednesday unveiled the world's first hard disk drive/DVD recorder that can store one terabyte of data, or enough to record about 128 hours of high-definition digital broadcasting."

That ought to hold us for a while, huh? :p

-Dan

Can't even record a couple of movies and a few other shows saved back to watch later.
Jim
Ya know Jim....up until the post above, I thought that it was actually illegal for us Adelphia subscribers with Moxi boxes to SAVE :eek: stuff !

Well then, here's mine. I have a Moxi with Adelphia that I use to record HD, but can't stand watching the stretched SD, so I also pay for a CableCard (luckily my tv can take one of those) and run a second line directly into my tv. Then I have a third line going into my dvd-recorder so I can record SD in 4:3 aspect ratio...Version 3.2 with native aspect ratio pass through could take me down to a single cable and remote for all my tv viewing. What a concept...
You may already be aware of this, but the only thing that software version 3.2 does is allow "automatic" passthrough of the signals. You can accomplish the exact same thing "manually" by switching the setting in the Moxi's Video Output setting menu. It is annoying that you have to issue about 15 key presses on average to accomplish this manual switch, and it will be much better if/when 3.2 is finally available to Adelphia customers. However, it may take a fair number of key presses and introduce some confusion when switching between your CableCard-activated TV tuner and the Moxi, and you have no DVR capabilities and must pay an extra fee for it. It's all personal preference, but I wanted to be sure you were aware of these issues.

Wow, 128 hours of HD! That should take Digeo about 128 years to get that far! Ha!
All hail President Joe!

Ya know Jim....up until the post above, I thought that it was actually illegal for us Adelphia subscribers with Moxi boxes to SAVE :eek: stuff !

If I have to start deleting my saved Outdoor Nationals off OLN then the you know what will hit the fan :eek:

Jim

Jim,
You know the way there are no words in the Indian language(in the old-fashioned sense of the word, for all you PC’ers out there….Native American- to me there’s no way we can EVER compensate them for the past wrongdoings)…

Anyway, there are no words in Indian for some White Man’s words……..correct?

As I believe there is no word in Digeo’s vocabulary for “Saved”.
Only “Watch VERY soon” or “Delete”.

Sorry, MoxiGuy, I appreciate all you’re doing for us but, please tell the upper hierarchy to come up with a better more realistic solution for giving us more recording capability….whatever it is. You’re just going to lose subscribers if you don’t.

P.S.
Jim, if you know any buddies that aren’t getting the shaft from Adelphia and receive INHD1 from their dishes, tell them to burn you a copy of “A Day in the Dirt” (damn, I hope I got that correct and it isn’t some porno thing) this coming Sunday(8:00 P.M. 1080i) because the version I saw had all-day MX races at a track outside L.A. with all the past greats…..and the LEGENDS like J.N. Roberts…..

I believe it was put on by Troy Lee.
Definitely worth a watch because it shows old footage of Hopetown G.P. and some dez races before the BLM decided to…..

what did Frank Zappa say?
““Wow, there’s hardly anything fun to do since they made riding illegal…”

Don't know anybody with INHD1 :( Too bad it sounds like a great show. Well off to watch the 125 show from OLN today. Have to watch it so I can delete it to record something else to then be deleted so I can record... nevermind...
Vicious cycle......

Not enough time and not enough space... :p

Later,

Jim

....just made an offer on a Dish 921

I'll throw my 2 cents in. The Moxi is a great device...on paper. Somehthing seems to have gotten lost in the implementation. My problems with it are the same as everyone else's: too little storage space; poor, convoluted user menu with LOOONG delays in navigation; lack of a grid-style guide, making it nearly impossible to view upcoming shows on other channels; poor SD channel picture quality. Add to that Adelphia's (lack of) HD service, and it's a wonder I haven't chucked this thing out the window.

So why haven't I? Just like everyone else: there are no other 2-tuner HD-capable DVRs available for me (I live in a condo complex, and DTV is not an option). So, I wait for the supposed CableCard HD Tivo which will never be built, or I try to justify $800 for a 500GB single-tuner box that uses OTA TV Guide (I can't). As soon as a remotely comparable option is available, my Moxi will be history.

-Sketchy

My Moxi days are numbered. I have been waiting since last October for something as simple as native mode pass-through which my previous motorola box had.

At this point, I don't care if the hold up is Adelphia or Digeo.

I've already talked two of my neighbors out of adding the Moxi DVR and I even talked one of them into switching to D* with Tivo.

The sad thing is, once native mode pass-though is enabled and I start watching and recording programs in HD, I will begin ranting about the lack of storage space.

As much as I didn't want to add an ugly dish to the side of my house and see cables nailed to my rain gutter, it is time.

Goodbye Moxi.
Goodbye Adelphia.

I hope you enjoyed having me as a beta tester.

I just wish there was HDTV recording hardware available for a PC -- something that I could write my own software for. I guarantee you that I could write something better than the Moxi's menu system, and it wouldn't take very long.

Now that I think of it, maybe such hardware *is* available. Time to go hunting...

-Dan

Is this what you're looking for? I found this from looking at the Snapstream board.

I'll add the URL after I make my fifth post.

So. How's everyone today?

Doing fine here.

Okay, Dan. Here you go.

http://www.hdtv-authority.com/hidtv_1.htm

Okay, Dan. Here you go.

http://www.hdtv-authority.com/hidtv_1.htm
Interesting. I'll look into it. Thanks!

-Dan

Its pretty easy to find OTA HD capture cards. I have not yet seen a Cable Card compatible one. Copy protection issues???

I'm a bit puzzled about the complaints regarding slow menu navigation. I understand this is something plaguing a large number of people, but it's never really happened to me (except on a couple of rare occasions). It really makes me wonder what kind of bug is floating around in the code to cause this many people to encounter it.

It's coming up on a year since I got the Moxi, and I have overall been happy. The reasons for this are probably because I do very little HD recording and, as stated before, the slowness in the menus is not something I've seen.

Have we tied this down to a specific software version, or is it happening to some (most) people on all versions? I've been on 3 different versions as I recall. Is the slowness a software or hardware problem? If it's hardware, there must be some quality control issues there.

Anyway, I'm a fan of Moxi, but like others I am hesitant to recommend it to others because so many are having such a wide array of problems.

I just picked up at 7100ES but cant get the video to come thru via HDMI on 1081 setting. I have Charter cable with the Moxi DVR. I have it hooked up via component to the reciever from the DVR, then a HDMI from the 7100 to the 55XS TV. The video comes up but is all scrambled, the audio via fiber is ok. When I turn the Moxi box to 480i, I can see the video but the hi-def is not diplayed as it should.

You know, I was thinking about picking one of these up to give it a test run.
If I do, I’ll try passing 1080i from the Moxi thru the 7100ES onto my display(Sony) via HDMI and let you know.

I didn’t even realize they were available yet.
Where did you purchase yours?

And what sort of lip-sync increments does it give you?

Another day, another Moxi freezup. YAY!

You know, I was thinking about picking one of these up to give it a test run.
If I do, I’ll try passing 1080i from the Moxi thru the 7100ES onto my display(Sony) via HDMI and let you know.

I didn’t even realize they were available yet.
Where did you purchase yours?

And what sort of lip-sync increments does it give you?

10ms on the lip-sync. I tried passing 1080i from the Moxi thru the 7100ES onto my display(Sony) via HDMI and all I get static.

The jump ahead to the end while FFWD'ing is the WORST!!!! I freaking hate it. It seems to happen only during commercials. I think the commercial people have figured out some glitch and are taking advantage of it to keep us from FFWD'ing.

The jump ahead to the end while FFWD'ing is the WORST!!!!It's annoying, but one workaround I tried that seems to work -- I've only tried it a couple of times, but it didn't trigger the bug either time -- was to fast-forward to the part I wanted, hit rewind, and then hit play. The bug only seems to be triggered when moving forward -- doesn't seem to happen in the other direction. Totally anecdotal and could be completely wrong.

I'm a bit puzzled about the complaints regarding slow menu navigation.My menus seem to be pretty speedy, but the system seems to take an inordinately long time to recognize those "OK" button presses.

But that doesn't help at all when you are watching something like a game and you are just trying to fast forward thru the down times and the commercials and almost EVERY time you FF through a commercial it skips to the end. It REALLY sucks when you are 30 or 40 minutes behind. Then when it jumps to the end, you have to rewind thru 30 minutes just to get back to where you were.

I'm a bit puzzled about the complaints regarding slow menu navigation. I understand this is something plaguing a large number of people, but it's never really happened to me (except on a couple of rare occasions). It really makes me wonder what kind of bug is floating around in the code to cause this many people to encounter it.Rampage, you're probably right. When we first saw the posts about sluggish menus, we set a team to investigate. It's not happening to everyone. And not all the time. We've traced this behavior to cases where the internal cable modem (DOCSIS) in the Moxi box loses its internet connection and tries to get it back. If you are experiencing sluggishness in the menu, please send a private message to my colleague moxibuddy. With your permission, we'll take a closer look at what's happening in your particular box to see if the problems we're reproducing in the labs are the same ones you are having. We think we have a fix for it... but we'd like to be sure that we're all talking about the same problem.

One other thing that would help... if you are reporting a problem, please indicate what area you are in and who your cable operator is... that will help up understand which version of Moxi software you are using.

Thanks.

PS... I do understand that saying a problem is not present for everyone is no comfort if it's present for YOU. If you have the problem in your setup, it might as well be universal. If you don't have it, it might as well not exist. But for us... if anyone has it, we need to get it fixed.

The jump ahead to the end while FFWD'ing is the WORST!!!! I freaking hate it. It seems to happen only during commercials. I think the commercial people have figured out some glitch and are taking advantage of it to keep us from FFWD'ing.

To me, this is the biggest problem w/ 3.2. Other than "Family Guy" I use moxi to record sports exclusively.

There is nothing more frustrating than watching a baseball game in the 5th inning, fast forwarding through the commercials, and suddenly being taken to the bottom of the 9th.... It has happened to me too many times to count. and I can't see myself keeping the unit if it happens too many more times.... It's so frustrating I'M GETTING ANGRY NOW JUST THINKING ABOUT IT!!

I can live w/ the small HDD, that was something I knew about before hand. But there is no way I EVER would've 'upgraded' to a Moxi DVR had I known it would ruin so many of my games.

I powered up the Moxi today after being on vacation. To my great surprise, I noticed that the Moxi had been upgraded to 3.2(not). In addition, Adelphia was providing VOD(not) on all the channels promised in May. That's when they decided to remove lots of channels or charge premium (like for ESPN-HD) in exchange for the wonderful upgrade. I was so happy that I called customer retention at DirecTV to tell them to take a flying leap(not). They told me to screw off(not) that they couldn't beat the Adelphia deal(not).

I'll probably won't make the leap in the next week(not) because Adelphia has(not) so been so accommodating.

If I had the choice of all the other issues of 3.0 vs a 3.2 that was perfect except for the jump ahead while FF'ing, I would take the crappy 3.0 in a heartbeat. This jumping ahead is a MAJOR problem. WTF?????

But that doesn't help at all when you are watching something like a game and you are just trying to fast forward thru the down times and the commercials and almost EVERY time you FF through a commercial it skips to the end.Is this in response to my suggestion? If so, I don't think you understand what I'm saying.

The bug is that you fast-forward, press play, and it leaps forward.

I'm saying try fast-forwarding, hitting rewind, then quickly pressing play, and -- at least from what I've seen -- it won't leap forward. The only difference is tossing in one extra button press. You'll still be exactly where you want to be. There's no difference whatsoever aside from pressing an extra button and maybe spending an extra second or two to do it.

Mine is jumping ahead WHILE FF'ing. You never get a chance to go too far then back up. It almost ALWAYS occurs during a commercial, therefore I haven't had the chance to go past and back up.

I powered up the Moxi today after being on vacation. To my great surprise, I noticed that the Moxi had been upgraded to 3.2(not). In addition, Adelphia was providing VOD(not) on all the channels promised in May. That's when they decided to remove lots of channels or charge premium (like for ESPN-HD) in exchange for the wonderful upgrade. I was so happy that I called customer retention at DirecTV to tell them to take a flying leap(not). They told me to screw off(not) that they couldn't beat the Adelphia deal(not).

I'll probably won't make the leap in the next week(not) because Adelphia has(not) so been so accommodating.

Does it mean that everyone in SCal would have the update now?

Does it mean that everyone in SCal would have the update now?

Why, YES! (Not) ;)

I spent the weekend visiting family down in Chicago. They have Comcast and a motorola high def DVR.

I was flipping through channels instantly, I was browsing the menus instantly, I was amazed.

It didn't have the fluff that the moxi has, but I'd take it any day of the week.

Just knowing it is possible to change high def channels instantly made me jealous

Ya I was in New England this summer and they had the HD box with HD and recorder. It was fast but it didn't have the dual tuner action going on. I know the moxi has issues. But to me the Moxi is an inexpensive option to not getting Tivo or Satellite (Not an option in my Apartment). Plus I work for Charter so why would I switch to Satellite anyways. Since I work in cable there is not regular work hours and I like coming home and watching the shows I want to watch. Anyways, Moxi rules and the other options I am sure are great also.

I have had the moxi for a year now. At first I wasn't happy because the box would lock up all the time and I would get audio drops daily. You would have to reset the box to pick up the audio again. Nothing like sitting down to a recorded show to find that there is no audio. They finally got it fixed and life is good. @ weeks ago the audio drops started again. VOD is working now ( a good feature) but the moxi is messed up. I have Charter in St. Louis No point in calling them I know more about their equipment than they do.. Anyone else have the audio drops pick back up after it was seemingly fixed?
Joe

I have had the moxi for a year now. At first I wasn't happy because the box would lock up all the time and I would get audio drops daily. You would have to reset the box to pick up the audio again. Nothing like sitting down to a recorded show to find that there is no audio. They finally got it fixed and life is good. @ weeks ago the audio drops started again. VOD is working now ( a good feature) but the moxi is messed up. I have Charter in St. Louis No point in calling them I know more about their equipment than they do.. Anyone else have the audio drops pick back up after it was seemingly fixed?
Joe


I have also had some loss of audio but a lot less than it was when I first got the Moxi. It also only happens on certain random channels. I usually just pause the show then unpause it and the audio works fine for me. It just does not play the audio during the live playback. It has probably been a week or 2 since I saw this problem last.

Is there any direct tech support number for Adelphia? What they call tech support is only customer service reps, that know nothing about any of the technical questions and it seems worthless to even bother calling about moxi questions or 3.2 update. Is there actually a tech support rep, like there is for internet help? I asked if there was an alternate solution to the Moxi, keeping hdtv and pvr functionality, but the answer was no. I didn't think there was or you guys would likely know of it, but I had to ask.

Just got the Moxi box from Adelphia. I've been reading all the complaints re: small hard drive. I didn't know it was so small and it's definitely not enough. But I also read that Moxi was planning external hard drive support? Now why do "I" have to buy something that should've come with the box to begin with? How many of you will be getting an external drive when/if it becomes available and have we heard when?

The problem of audio dropouts did come back in some areas on certain channels. You should see improvement in an update that Charter will send your way. (don't have a date yet)

I just signed up for Charter in Apple Valley, MN. I also have been reading this thread. Can someone tell me how to tell if I have the 3.2 version of Moxi? Also, is the DVI output active on my box?

Thanks
Adam

Ok, I figured out that I have version 3.2. Something that puzzles me is that my SD channels are still being stretched, aren't they suppose to be 4:3? I have a widescreen plasma display fyi. Still wondering about DVI output.

Thanks
Adam

Dish 921 is on the way. Hello 250 gig hard drive and DVI!!!!!!!!!! Cya Moxi.

If you have service from Charter, then you should have 3.2. Here's the simplest way to be sure: on the Moxi Menu, use the left or right arrows to move around to About Moxi with a list of tips. If you don't find it, but instead find Intro to Moxi and no tips, then you have 3.0. (see attached image)

DVI is not enabled yet.

Ok, I figured out that I have version 3.2. Something that puzzles me is that my SD channels are still being stretched, aren't they suppose to be 4:3? I have a widescreen plasma display fyi. Still wondering about DVI output.
Adam, two things: First, in Settings > HDTV Setup, check all of the resolutions that your TV can show. Second, review the settings on your plasma display and be sure that you haven't enabled an option to stretch the image. Moxi should pass through the signal in the same resolution and aspect ratio that it receives it. After that, your TV takes over and may adjust the image to fit its own widescreen ratio. (On all sets that I'm aware of, this is a user option. You should be able to get your display to leave 4:3 in the original aspect ratio.)

DVI is not enabled for Charter at this time.

I have the Dell W4200HD plasma television. It can handle all three of the resolutions the Moxi HDTV Setup has to offer, so all three are checked. The television has these settings: Standard, Zoom, 4:3 Aspect Ration, Wide, Full Screen, and a Horizontal Shift bar that is adjustable. I have it set to Standard. Still not getting the Native-Mode Pass Through. Any ideas?

Thanks
Adam

Moxiguy,

I am looking for further info on this feature mentioned on moxi.com.

I know this has been discussed before, but I saw the note about release date.

Access photos and music from your PC anywhere you have Moxi
Use your media center to create a secure broadband network throughout your home and share music and photos with your PC or laptop.
Note: Planned for late 2005

Planned for late 2005? When? What other 'late 2005' features are coming?

I have the Dell W4200HD plasma television. It can handle all three of the resolutions the Moxi HDTV Setup has to offer, so all three are checked. The television has these settings: Standard, Zoom, 4:3 Aspect Ration, Wide, Full Screen, and a Horizontal Shift bar that is adjustable. I have it set to Standard. Still not getting the Native-Mode Pass Through. Any ideas?

Thanks
Adam


Even with Standard selected it will display 4:3 material stretched since MOXI is feeding it that way due to MOXI outputing in 16x9. The resolution options just keep MOXI from trying to convert 480i to a different resolution. If a show is in 480i the MOXI will display it in 480i with 3.2. However, MOXI does not change how it handles the 16:9/4:3, at least it doesn't for me.

Moxiguy,

I am looking for further info on this feature mentioned on moxi.com.

I know this has been discussed before, but I saw the note about release date.

Access photos and music from your PC anywhere you have Moxi
Use your media center to create a secure broadband network throughout your home and share music and photos with your PC or laptop.
Note: Planned for late 2005

Planned for late 2005? When? What other 'late 2005' features are coming?

If it is planned for 2005 then you will most likely see it 2nd half 2006, and in Adelphia's case late 2007.

Ok, I figured out that I have version 3.2. Something that puzzles me is that my SD channels are still being stretched, aren't they suppose to be 4:3? I have a widescreen plasma display fyi. Still wondering about DVI output...
Check out my SPL Moxi FAQ (http://users.adelphia.net/~ksoltmann/SPLMoxiFAQ.htm).

DVI is not currently supported. See the "VIDEO->Digital video output support (DVI/HDMI)" section for additional information.

If you have "480i" selected in "HDTV Setup" menu, and you are on an SD channel, the Moxi should output it properly as 480i. I looked at an electronic version of the manual for your TV, and it says on page 30 that the "Standard" setting you are using is the "Best selection for viewing digital HDTV, 16:9 or 22:9 DVD movies." This setting is probably stretching the 4:3 signal being output by your Moxi. Instead, you would have to use the "4:3" setting on your TV. This should display the signal properly pillarboxed (black bars on the left and right sides). However, plasma displays are subject to burn-in when black bars are present for extended periods of time, so you may want to use the "Zoom" setting instead, which should fill your screen without distorting the picture, although it will appear zoomed and cut off the top and bottom. Such is life with 4:3 signals and widescreen plasma displays. See the "video" topics under "SET-UP" in the FAQ for extensive additional information on the Moxi's video output resolutions.

Even with Standard selected it will display 4:3 material stretched since MOXI is feeding it that way due to MOXI outputing in 16x9. The resolution options just keep MOXI from trying to convert 480i to a different resolution. If a show is in 480i the MOXI will display it in 480i with 3.2. However, MOXI does not change how it handles the 16:9/4:3, at least it doesn't for me.
Similar to my response to "arecknor" (above), the issue is more likely with your display. You probably have to select a mode other than "Standard," like "4:3" or something similar (try all available). On some widescreen displays, it apparently is not possible to display some incoming 480i signals as pillarboxed 4:3, particularly if a component input is used.

Thanks for all the helpful answers, I have tried switching the 4:3, this just makes everything 4:3, even the nice HD 16:9 content. I will just learn to live with the stretched 4:3, or manually change it around when watching certain programs.

Thanks for all the helpful answers, I have tried switching the 4:3, this just makes everything 4:3, even the nice HD 16:9 content. I will just learn to live with the stretched 4:3, or manually change it around when watching certain programs.
I have another option you should try. De-select the 480i setting in the HDTV Setup menu on the Moxi. Under version 3.2 of the software, the Moxi now pillarboxes incoming 4:3 480i signals for output at 720p or 1080i (under 3.0 it does an ugly horizontal stretching to fill the wide screen). That way, you should be able to just leave your TV set to "Standard," and you should get all 16:9 content as full wide screen and all 4:3 content with proper pillarboxing.

You may want to compare the signal quality of this set-up vs. when the Moxi 480i is selected and your TV is set to "4:3," since your TV may do a better job of adding the pillarbox than the Moxi. If the latter setup has noticeably better picture quality, you may want to consider manually switching your TV between "Standard" and "4:3" when switching between HD and 480i channels. Most likely you will be just as happy without 480i, though, and it will be much simpler when changing channels. Also be wary of burn-in on your plasma TV when viewing signals with black bars for extended periods of time.

Attention SoCal Adelphia people-

Yesterday, I had a luncheon meeting with a longtime friend that I hadn’t seen in awhile who took me to a restaurant in Brea called “Taps”- (alot of brews and such).

Anyway, our conversation drifted to Hi-Def and he mentioned that he was going to return his Moxi remote (sticking buttons, just like mine, awhile back!) to the local Adelphia office (2 blocks away) before returning to work in Fullerton……if I didn’t mind a side trip.

To make a long story short, after lunch, I accompanied him to his local Adelphia office which I *think* services La Habra as well as Brea, and while he was returning his sticky remote for another sticky remote (Adelphia simply recycles these things rather than providing new ones) I played with their TV that was showing ESPN HD, and…..lo and behold ….. I noticed that this office had the 3.2 software.

So, if there is anyone out there with a HD tv that hasn’t already switched to one of the satellite services for a DVR with more storage space……if you live in the Brea/La Habra region, I *suspect* that since the office has this software installed….you guys should be getting the 3.2 version sometime this year.

To make a long story short, after lunch, I accompanied him to his local Adelphia office which I *think* services La Habra as well as Brea, and while he was returning his sticky remote for another sticky remote (Adelphia simply recycles these things rather than providing new ones) I played with their TV that was showing ESPN HD, and…..lo and behold ….. I noticed that this office had the 3.2 software.

So, if there is anyone out there with a HD tv that hasn’t already switched to one of the satellite services for a DVR with more storage space……if you live in the Brea/La Habra region, I *suspect* that since the office has this software installed….you guys should be getting the 3.2 version sometime this year.

What a tease! I thought you were gonna say something like "... and the Adelphia Rep insisted that 3.2 had already been pushed in SoCal weeks ago. See it's running right there on our (in house) unit!"

What a tease! I thought you were gonna say something like "... and the Adelphia Rep insisted that 3.2 had already been pushed in SoCal weeks ago. See it's running right there on our (in house) unit!"

Maybe, they don't want to support the extra inquiries to CS if they push it.

The delay is mysterious, no one wants to state why, Adephia acts demented, Moxiguy acts in politically correct fashion.

well this is my 2nd post, the other didnt post sucks, o'well so i'll repeat myself, well what i said was, that i had a problem with my moxi, i got moxi over a month ago and it was great at first, but then it started freezing on my and i found myself having to reset the box every other day, another thing is it the menu is slow at times and it freezes a lil bit and then it kicks in....another thing i dont know how to fix it, but every series that i wanted to record and then i dont want anymore getting me mad...because this, i really dont know if theres some option to stop recording the series completely, so i find myself manualy diselecting each episode for that week or so, so its fine for that long and then it starts recording again so i find myself having to repeat myself diselecting each episode so it doesnt take up my recording space for the shows i want to record, hate it because some shows dont get recorded because of the recorded shows i dont want anymore come back from hell! lol anywho if moxi could fix that it would be great!!! oh!! forgot about something else that sucks but awesome! ondemand, i love it, but i get to watch it during the middle of night lol, why??? because during the day the picture is horrible i watch it then the next scene it gets blurry and audio sucks i guessing its the modem, but in the middle of night movie in HD is awesome...so those are my problem, moxi for cable is great! its going in the right direction, i'm happy that i dont have to pay 1000 for the hd dvr!! if i can put and idea for moxi, you know how in tivo when preview for a new episode for a show comes up and it ask if you wanna record, if moxi can copy that...thats its and more space to record....there...moxiguy moxibuddy....any help? reponse??

just wanna say, AWESOME IT POSTED!

ok well i woke up really early today and i just started messing around with moxi and i figured out how to completely stop recording a series... it was under "find & record" and Series Option.... cant believe i never checked that out....well the rest still stands...

Mr. Dork, what's your experience been with Moxi? I'm in Moorpark also.

What a tease! I thought you were gonna say something like "... and the Adelphia Rep insisted that 3.2 had already been pushed in SoCal weeks ago. See it's running right there on our (in house) unit!"

Are you kidding?
When I informed the Adelphia reps in that local office that they had the 3.2 software on their machine………………..i.e.- “Do you guys know That You have 3.2 Installed on this Moxi Box?”

All 3 (including the office manager?) looked at me with this blank stare on their faces.

So, I repeated myself changing the emphasis on certain words, to see if that would register any comment……………i.e. –“Do You guys Know that you have 3.2 installed on This Moxi box?”

One guy said, “Is that bad?”

I nearly recited 3.2 At Bat.

Follow-Up to Last Post-
My buddy informed me that the “new” Moxi remote that he was given doesn’t have the same sticky buttons as the old one he returned – completely different ones are sticking now.

That’s variety. :D

The delay is mysterious.Ken,
The delay is not mysterious. It's frustrating to the point of exasperation, but there's no mystery. We have some bugs in the way Moxi 3.2 works in some areas of the Adelphia SoCal markets. We're fixing the bugs and testing the fixes. Adelphia is committed to rolling out 3.2 as soon as possible. Digeo is committed to helping them do that.

Mr. Dork, what's your experience been with Moxi? I'm in Moorpark also.

Hey there neighbor!

We had troubles initially and Adelphia replaced it the next day. It's been fairly reliable since the install in May - I've only had to reset it once in early July after a complete lockup. We get occasional HD dropouts (audio quits and video freezes for about 1 sec, then video flips out for a second and then everything is gone for 3-10 seconds. The Moxi will frequently chop off the last 30 seconds of a show and, on occasion, the unit will only record the first 1/2 of a 'special' extended program even though the program guide lists the times correctly.

As stated many times elsewhere in this forum, the (poor) quality of SD programming through the Moxi makes me feel like I'm living in the 70s again, navigation with the remote is sluggish (and downright unresponsive sometimes) and the undersized hard drive was a seriously poor decision.

As an engineer, I can put up with some of the technical shortcomings of the unit. But since my 'technology tolerant' wife is really the main user of the system, I thoroughly expect her patience with the Moxi to wane and one day it will just be gone. I think she summed it up best the other day during a Moxi A/V flipout session (described above) when she said, "this thing seems more like a prototype than a finished product, doesn't it?"

Seems to be in line with what I'm hearing about it elsewhere. I'm interested, but not interested enough to pay to be a beta tester, which seems to be what's going on. I'll stick with the VCR meantime.

Are you kidding?
When I informed the Adelphia reps in that local office that they had the 3.2 software on their machine………………..i.e.- “Do you guys know That You have 3.2 Installed on this Moxi Box?”

All 3 (including the office manager?) looked at me with this blank stare on their faces.

So, I repeated myself changing the emphasis on certain words, to see if that would register any comment……………i.e. –“Do You guys Know that you have 3.2 installed on This Moxi box?”

One guy said, “Is that bad?”

I nearly recited 3.2 At Bat.

Follow-Up to Last Post-
My buddy informed me that the “new” Moxi remote that he was given doesn’t have the same sticky buttons as the old one he returned – completely different ones are sticking now.

That’s variety. :D
Been watching this board for quite some time. I am a SoCal Adelphia customer and have Moxi (even without the upgrade I love this box - although it could improve). I have pinged them through email on when additional services may be available. With respect to my last e-mail, they replied "The only update I have is on VOD, we will begin testing and we should have it ready by the end of October." This presumably relates to 3.2. Take care, JoeSparkle

Moxi-Mate Is here
Starting August 31st Charter St. Louis will begin offering a version of DVR that delivers all the benefits of Digital Video Recording, now supporting two rooms! It’s even better than having two DVR devices, because all your recorded programs can be accessed from either room.

The Charter Multi-Room DVR system consists of a Charter Multi-Room DVR main receiver and a small receiver called a “Moxi Mate,” which extends the functionality of the DVR to a second TV. It requires no special wiring, just existing coaxial cabling.

The Multi-Room DVR system provides the following features and benefits:
• All DVR features are available in both rooms, so customers can Pause, Rewind, and Replay live TV, Fast-forward, and record entire series of programs with one command.
• Double the available storage for recordings with a 160 GB hard drive, versus 80 GB hard drive on the 1-TV version.
• Play DVDs with the built-in player (all in one remote control for TV, DVR, and DVD), plus share content and watch DVDs on the second TV.
• All digital channels (including HD channels and recordings) are accessible from the second room, scaled for viewing on a standard TV. (Note – the Moxi Mate is NOT an HD receiver)
• Schedule, manage, and watch recorded shows from both TVs.
• Enjoy applications such as Charter On Demand, Pay Per View, or DVD options from either room.
• The cost is only a few dollars more per month than the one-room DVR solution, and a $6.99 savings per month over having two DVR receivers.


Mark

Just like to inform everybody that has adelphia in Colorado Springs now has 3.2!!!!!!!!

P.S. Still no support for DVI with 3.2 with adelphia.. MG i thought this was why it took so long for adelphia to release it? (actual software version on the box is 3.2.171.5LR-P.107338)

OMG adelphia is finally starting

Nevermind about the DVI, i restarted the box, and DVI does work!!!!!!!

we should have it ready by the end of October." This presumably relates to 3.2.
So MoxiGuy, in Digeo speak is 10months “long before” 12 months?
A Hungry Penton

Moxi-Mate is only a few dollars more per month than the one-room DVR solution
Mark
Define "a few dollars more" please.

Define "a few dollars more" please.


I posted this in the STL HD thread already. But I called and was pretty much read the same thing that Mark posted. He couldn't give me a specific price quote but told me it should be 2-3$ more a month. But then another User in the STL HD thread on AVS said he was told 8.45 more a month. But I don't know about you, but 9bux isn't 'a few' in my book so I hope his sales rep was just confused/misinformed. I was put on waiting list, where as the other user has install date setup. So I will probably call again later and try to clear things up.

Phatty

Define "a few dollars more" please.Do the math. It's $6.99 less than twice as much as one room.

So MoxiGuy, in Digeo speak is 10months “long before” 12 months?No it is not. I didn't expect it to take this long.

Since colorado springs got 3.2 This morning, i would assume in the next couple weeks the rest of adelphia would be getting it.

Do the math. It's $6.99 less than twice as much as one room.
Just can’t do it, as you see, I "slept" during that course............... :D

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=5356986&&#post5356986

All digital channels (including HD channels and recordings) are accessible from the second room, scaled for viewing on a standard TV. (Note – the Moxi Mate is NOT an HD receiver)

O.K., so it’s not an HD receiver…….but is it ANY kind of receiver or is it simply a slave to the “Multi-Room DVR main receiver”, in other words………

We got two TV’s that we’re talkin bout in this scenario. Suppose with TV “A” we have the “Multi-Room DVR main receiver” hooked up and we’re watching a movie on HBO HD and we’re also recording a movie from Cinemax HD. (TV “A” by the way is the good Hi-Def TV in the house).

Now, Moxi “Mate” is hooked up to TV “B” in the kiddies room.
(TV “B” is simply an oooooooold CRT type display )
Suppose the kiddies want to watch some analog channel with cartoons and such that is not what the people in the room with TV “A” are watching at that time. (You see Adelphia still broadcasts a lot of channels in analog).

Is this sort of thing possible?
Please no math.

Just can’t do it, as you see, I "slept" during that course............... :DAh, so you did well in school!

Ah, so you did well in school!
She gave me A+ both semesters.......sure helped to get the ole G.P.A. up after taking a thrashing from Inorganic Chem.

Wow, I was just browsing Bestbuy.com and see that sony has some nice, new HD DVR's if you can afford them. The prices are $759 and $949 with a 250 GB and a 500 GB HD for the more expensive one. This product looks like everything a GOOD DVR should be and everything the MOXI isn't. Let's run down the features:
Cablecard slot, OTA support, 12 fast-forward, rewind and slow-speed settings; available speeds include Fast Forward: 3x, 9x, 30x, 90x; Rewind: 3x, 9x, 30x, 90x; Slow Motion: 1/2, 1/3, 1/4, 1/8, HDMI output!, TV Guide Program Guide!. I'm glad to see that while the Moxi is lagging behind several years in the technology department, a company has stepped up and made a DVR with plenty of storage(80gb is a big joke)and incorporated future technology in HDMI. Hey Joe, did you know about these?

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7276075&type=product&productCategoryId=cat03021&id=1117178795627

O.K., so it’s not an HD receiver…….but is it ANY kind of receiver or is it simply a slave to the “Multi-Room DVR main receiver”, in other words………

We got two TV’s that we’re talkin bout in this scenario. Suppose with TV “A” we have the “Multi-Room DVR main receiver” hooked up and we’re watching a movie on HBO HD and we’re also recording a movie from Cinemax HD. (TV “A” by the way is the good Hi-Def TV in the house).

Now, Moxi “Mate” is hooked up to TV “B” in the kiddies room.
(TV “B” is simply an oooooooold CRT type display )
Suppose the kiddies want to watch some analog channel with cartoons and such that is not what the people in the room with TV “A” are watching at that time. (You see Adelphia still broadcasts a lot of channels in analog).

Is this sort of thing possible?
Please no math.
The simple answer is "no." The 9022 (as the last digit indicates) has only two tuners, and the Moxi Mate has zero tuners (it is a slave to the 9022). However, the more complicated answer is that the kiddies could be watching a cartoon previously recorded on the 9022, or they could be watching an analog channel live through the TV's built-in tuner. In fact, if you have the parental controls off, they could be watching either the HBO HD or Cinemax HD movie downconverted to 480i, with their own transport controls, independent of yours. That is my understanding of the Moxi Mate (having never seen, let alone used, one).

or they could be watching an analog channel live through the TV's built-in tuner.
Ah, you're a sharp one splinke and thanks for the reply.
So, I assume that if the kids wanted to watch a digital channel (let's say OLN because they're showing old Survivor reruns) and the adults want to watch something different in TV "A" room........there would be no way to accomplish this with the Moxi "Mate."

Yeah!!! 3.2 is here in CO Springs!! (Adelphia)

I didn't have 3.2 when I came home today (even after rebooting) so I had to trigger the software update manually and it worked!!

SD channels are FINALLY watchable!! The picture on SD analog channels is much better than what could previously be achieved my manually selecting 480i in the Video Output settings.

Hang in there Adelphia customers in other markets...it can't possibly be that much longer now. I no longer want to trade my box in for the non-DVR HD box, which I was VERY close to doing.

The simple answer is "no." The simple answer is "yes, but..."

As you point out, they can use the tuner in their TV to watch an analog channel. Just turn off the Moxi Mate and the analog signal passes through directly to the TV. They won't have trick play. They won't have access to digital channels. But they can watch an analog channel. And, as you point out, they can watch recorded show that's already on the box.

If you pop a DVD into the BMC9022, you can watch that from the second room.

With math... you have two tuners in the BMC9022 and a third tuner in the TV in the kid's room.

Ah, you're a sharp one splinke and thanks for the reply.
So, I assume that if the kids wanted to watch a digital channel (let's say OLN because they're showing old Survivor reruns) and the adults want to watch something different in TV "A" room........there would be no way to accomplish this with the Moxi "Mate."
The kids can watch Survivor on digital OLN while the adults watch HBO HD, but the adults can't be recording that second movie on Cinemax HD at the same time. That would require a THIRD digital-capable tuner to tune all three channels at once. If the Survivor episode had been previously recorded, then all three are possible.

Yeah!!! 3.2 is here in CO Springs!! (Adelphia)
SD channels are FINALLY watchable!! The picture on SD analog channels is much better than what could previously be achieved my manually selecting 480i in the Video Output settings.
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Is that really possible?

Is that really possible?
I have never seen any indication from Digeo (including the release notes) that the 3.2 update contains any code that improves SD picture quality. In fact, I am quite certain that MoxiGuy has specifically stated that the only change in this regard is the native passthrough of the signal. I discount the reports of improved SD picture quality based on the fact that people were probably just leaving the video setting at an HD resolution, so they got grossly distorted SD display before native passthrough. jkozlow3 seems quite confident that SD picture quality is better under 3.2 than manual 480i selection under 3.0, though. On the other hand, there is really no way for an individual subscriber to do a side-by-side comparison, since you either have one or the other version and can't change back-and-forth.

MoxiGuy, do you care to clear up this mystery by stating whether there were any changes to the software/firmware that could actually improve SD picture quality? In the past you have answered this question by saying that you would leave it up to the individual subscribers to decide, which I interpret as, "No, there were no changes, but if people think it looks better, good for everybody." :) Perhaps I am a "glass is half empty" sort of person, though, as evidenced by my "no, but" reply, in contrast to your "yes, but" reply to the same question. :)

Is that really possible?

Yes, it is. Don't know how or why, but it's DEFINITELY the case. Even on our all-digital (but SD) version of ABC, I was NEVER happy with the picture even after manually selecting 480i in the settings. Now, it's VERY watchable. Same goes for all of the other SD analog channels.

Old^Style even mentioned the same thing in the CO Springs thread today. He said SD looked 100% better and I'd have to agree. I wasn't expecting this, and I'm very pleasantly surprised.

Maybe the amount of improvement varies by market/provider?

MoxiGuy:

What are the chances Comcast will sign up for and distribute these Moxi unites? Currently the HD DVRs we have are the Motorola 6412s.

What are the chances Comcast will sign up for and distribute these Moxi unites? Currently the HD DVRs we have are the Motorola 6412s.Not giving odds on this. We have a trial underway with Comcast in one market. So far, it's a very small trial involving employees and some "friendly" customers. We've been given a go ahead to move to a commercial deployment in that market. A lot depends on what their customers think. I'll know more in a few months.

"Friendly Customer" here.
So, MG, what's the timetable for the 9022 and Moxi Mate to debut in SoCal?

MoxiGuy, do you care to clear up this mystery by stating whether there were any changes to the software/firmware that could actually improve SD picture quality? :)
Yeah MG, say somthin.
No offense jkozlow3 but, I'm inclined to believe splinke on this.

MoxiGuy, do you care to clear up this mystery by stating whether there were any changes to the software/firmware that could actually improve SD picture quality?I don't know. We've had developers looking at tweaking this or that setting in the way we handle analog signals. Not sure if any of the tweaks made it into the release. It's late, and anyone who knows for sure has left the building. Besides... nobody watches code. If the picture looks better, that's all that counts.

"Friendly Customer" here.
So, MG, what's the timetable for the 9022 and Moxi Mate to debut in SoCal?Hope you stay friendly after I tell you it may not happen until next spring.

Silly question that I don't see a whole lot of discussion about here...

Is recording to a DVD Recorder possible, and if so, how? I've never done it before, and I'm curious to know before I go and pick one up.

The simple answer is "yes, but..."

As you point out, they can use the tuner in their TV to watch an analog channel. Just turn off the Moxi Mate and the analog signal passes through directly to the TV. They won't have trick play. They won't have access to digital channels. But they can watch an analog channel. And, as you point out, they can watch recorded show that's already on the box.

If you pop a DVD into the BMC9022, you can watch that from the second room.

With math... you have two tuners in the BMC9022 and a third tuner in the TV in the kid's room.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Penton-Man
Ah, you're a sharp one splinke and thanks for the reply.
So, I assume that if the kids wanted to watch a digital channel (let's say OLN because they're showing old Survivor reruns) and the adults want to watch something different in TV "A" room........there would be no way to accomplish this with the Moxi "Mate."


The kids can watch Survivor on digital OLN (downconverted to 480i) while the adults watch HBO HD, but the adults can't be recording that second movie on Cinemax HD at the same time. That would require a THIRD digital-capable tuner to tune all three channels at once. If the Survivor episode had been previously recorded, then all three are possible.

Just for clarification: Can two televisions, one with the BMC 9022, the other with the MoxiMate, watch two different digital channels at the same time (assuming nothing is recording)?

Do the math. It's $6.99 less than twice as much as one room.

It may be easy in Charterland, but here in Adelphiaburg, they practice the "New Math." Given a $1.75/mo cable card can be $4.95, Lord knows what the M-Mate will cost. :confused:

Penton-Man, My sentiments exactly on House. If you haven't seen the final two episodes with Sela Ward, blow out the Moxi and make sure you get them on the rerun. .
Don’t know if it was Sela Ward (my Moxi chopped off the credits to the show at the end), but it was apparently an ex-wife of House’s that I saw on a rerun on Tues. night.

Most interesting thing in the episode was that it showed the cause of House’s limp and present usage of Vicodin, although, without any water to aid in swallowing……. :eek:
was not explained.

Most amusing thing in the episode was that during the course of the 1hour and 20 min. lecture to the med students that attendance actually INCREASED (and included 3 fellows and one attending towards the end) – but what do I know…………..

I’m from the lab.

Any comments on the Moxi “Mate”(other than cost), which I think Digeo is somewhat kind in its nomenclature, I think of it more as Moxi “Slave” or if Digeo plans an upgrade in the future …perhaps Moxi “Indentured Servant”. Who knows, I may still rent one just for the larger hard drive. :eek:

Hope you stay friendly after I tell you it may not happen until next spring.
So, I would assume that if it is after June 21 or so of 2006 – I can count on another free meal?
Friendly and Hungry Customer :D

Wow, I was just browsing Bestbuy.com and see that sony has some nice, new HD DVR's if you can afford them. The prices are $759 and $949 with a 250 GB and a 500 GB HD for the more expensive one. This product looks like everything a GOOD DVR should be and everything the MOXI isn't. Let's run down the features:
Cablecard slot, OTA support, 12 fast-forward, rewind and slow-speed settings; available speeds include Fast Forward: 3x, 9x, 30x, 90x; Rewind: 3x, 9x, 30x, 90x; Slow Motion: 1/2, 1/3, 1/4, 1/8, HDMI output!, TV Guide Program Guide!. I'm glad to see that while the Moxi is lagging behind several years in the technology department, a company has stepped up and made a DVR with plenty of storage(80gb is a big joke)and incorporated future technology in HDMI. Hey Joe, did you know about these?

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7276075&type=product&productCategoryId=cat03021&id=1117178795627
I saw the 250G Sony (prototype I'm sure) at CES in Jan. 1 tuner, I think?? Now that Jay and Dave are BOTH in HD, damn!

I saw the 250G Sony (prototype I'm sure) at CES in Jan. 1 tuner, I think?? !
As a former Sony employee, You should KNOW!

Also, they failed to include firewire.

Don’t know if it was Sela Ward (my Moxi chopped off the credits to the show at the end), but it was apparently an ex-wife of House’s that I saw on a rerun on Tues. night.

Most interesting thing in the episode was that it showed the cause of House’s limp and present usage of Vicodin, although, without any water to aid in swallowing……. :eek:
was not explained.

Most amusing thing in the episode was that during the course of the 1hour and 20 min. lecture to the med students that attendance actually INCREASED (and included 3 fellows and one attending towards the end) – but what do I know…………..

I’m from the lab.

Any comments on the Moxi “Mate”(other than cost), which I think Digeo is somewhat kind in its nomenclature, I think of it more as Moxi “Slave” or if Digeo plans an upgrade in the future …perhaps Moxi “Indentured Servant”. Who knows, I may still rent one just for the larger hard drive. :eek:

Yup, that was Sela. Fairly intense episode. It continues...

As a former Sony employee, You should KNOW!

Also, they failed to include firewire.

Sony listened to me as much as Digeo listens now. Where are my meds??

Yes, it is. Don't know how or why, but it's DEFINITELY the case. Even on our all-digital (but SD) version of ABC, I was NEVER happy with the picture even after manually selecting 480i in the settings. Now, it's VERY watchable. Same goes for all of the other SD analog channels.

Old^Style even mentioned the same thing in the CO Springs thread today. He said SD looked 100% better and I'd have to agree. I wasn't expecting this, and I'm very pleasantly surprised.

Maybe the amount of improvement varies by market/provider?



I have to chime in here with my 2 cents worth.

Like jkozlow3, I also noted a definite improvement in 480i picture quality when Charter implemented MOXI version 3.2 in the Asheville, NC area. The MOXI's user-friendliness was clearly upgraded by the pass-through capability...but there was also a positive effect upon picture quality. Immediately after Charter downloaded 3.2, I observed less red push in the image, as well as a helpful decrease in black levels. With 480i material, the result overall was a better perceived contrast ratio and more natural colors, which I regard as a significant improvement in PQ. The difference wasn't "night and day", but to me it was clearly discernible. With 720p and 1080i, I noticed little, if any, difference in PQ between versions 3.0 and 3.2.

I can't say exactly what happened in my locale to produce a more pleasing 480i picture when version 3.2 was implemented. However, to these eyes, something did happen.

Another question, where am I able to select the "video output" modes? I'm not finding it in settings...

tia

Hey Joe, I would love to sacrifice a tuner if it were for some new technology. Next month, I'm finally going to upgrade my speakers and finally get a new computer. I'm thinking bose, but I'm gonna look around. Is there anything better I could spend a thousand on? I would love to get a set of the small cube speakers and get rid of these big, bulky yamahas that I have. Any advice from your end would be greatly appreciated. Maybe 3.2 means March 2 for Adelphia? Hmmm.

Just for clarification: Can two televisions, one with the BMC 9022, the other with the MoxiMate, watch two different digital channels at the same time (assuming nothing is recording)?Yes.

Just for more clarification on the moxi mate: If parental controls are off on the "main" unit, then they are off on the mate as well, right? So while the wife and I are watching Deadwood in the main viewing room, the kids could be in the basement watching G-String Divas?

Just for more clarification on the moxi mate: If parental controls are off on the "main" unit, then they are off on the mate as well, right? So while the wife and I are watching Deadwood in the main viewing room, the kids could be in the basement watching G-String Divas?Not right. The kids are okay. When you unlock parental controls on one TV, they remain locked on the other. So even if your kids try to tune in to watch Deadwood along with you (from the other room), they'll be locked out. As for G-string Divas... when is that on again?

Another question, where am I able to select the "video output" modes? In 3.2, these controls are under HDTV Setup. If you have been using 3.0, the upgrade will leave your video output on whichever resolution you had previously been using. (example: you had it set to 1080i for use with an HDTV). When you get the upgrade, you need to go to Settings -->HDTV Setup and add a checkmark for 480i in order to activate native mode passthrough.

Steve,
Yes. It turns out that a very helpful tweak to our analog video quality was made between 3.0 to 3.2. Why haven't I mentioned it? Because whenever the developer who found this tweak fixes something that makes a significant difference, someone has to buy him a bottle of bourbon whiskey.* So, either we downplay this, or....** his preference is Maker's Mark.