I'm still trying to figure out what a 15 minute skp button
is good for myself.


With this very small HD I imagine they could not do a 20 minute skip!
:eek:

BeeCee

Anyone know of a way to have video via DVI with analogue (rca) audio at the same time?

Magic Wok in that same location has some of the best Chinese food in OC

Ahhh yes... The infamous Magic Wok... Where I tasted the "orange chicken" entree for the first time!!! Needless to say, several months after that, other chinese fast food chains began selling thier version of "orange chicken"... Hmmmm... Magic Wok's a trend setter!!!!

- Air B :D

PS. Get there early for lunch; as the line always goes out the door if your a tad bit late... You snooze, you lose my friends!!! ;)

I'm still trying to figure out what a 15 minute skp button
is good for myself. Just like Joe said, another satisfied customer! THIS IS AN UNDENIABLE SENTENCE! : When my replay tv box that I had over five years ago is better and more dependable(meaning it works and actually does it's job without all of the annoying bugs, oh yeah it had a guide too)than the currenty day Moxi POS, you have a serious problem my friend. Do any guys here watch South Park? The Moxi is like an invention of Dr. Mephesto's gone awry. It won't stop until it kills all enthusiasm for DVR. Digeo is giving into every demand of the entertainment industry etc. What's next? Only being able to pause programs and not record? Now that wouldn't surprise me. Rant over, and out.

I too have two networked ReplayTVs that run rings around the MOXI. I don't understand how a company (Digeo) can see all that is arround them (TiVo & Replay & D* & E*) and create something so backwards from the current state? Why not buy RTV from DNNA (they'd probably sell the rights for a jug of Maker's Mark and a pack of smokes!) and merge the technologies? A dual tuner HD ReplayTV is a wet dream of a lot of AVS people and major reason not to switch to Satillite. But what do I know, I'm only the CEEEEO. ;)

This has been known to happen if the main unit (9022) is overheating. Do you have it in an enclosed cabinet?

Nope, no enclosed cabinet. The 9022 is sitting on a shelf, all by itself with nothing even close to it. Any other ideas?

I think you mean that DVI doesn't output SD channels at their native 480i resolution. Technically, I believe that DVI can work for SD channels, the Moxi just has to upconvert them to an HD resolution prior to output over DVI. If you de-select 480i in HDTV Setup, you should be able to view SD channels over DVI. I presume that is how "airbutchie" has it set up.


You're absolutely correct, Splinke... I followed Moxiguy's link on how to stretch standard SD content to the 16x9 screen and now it's back to where I like it... The Moxi Box is connected via Component input with 480i resolution "checked" to get the 4x3 content stretched on my plasma... The "burn-in" issue on plasma's are well noted in the AVS Display Forums and having "non stretched" 4x3 content can and will lead to that problem...

As for your question in regards to DVI vs Component's visual improvements, personally, I cannot tell the picture difference at all... Both connections have tremendous clarity... That's with my HD plasma AND with my ED plasma in the bedroom... The ED, however, does have the "screen door" effect going against it, but the clarity of the picture (DVI & Component) are still the same... On a side note, both of my plasmas have been visually calibrated with the Digital Visual Essentials DVD application...

So why should I use DVI over Component? Simple... It's the only why I can connect all my components to my PDP... My PDP only has 1 DVI, 1 Component, 2 Composite, 2 S-Video & a 15pin VGA connection... Ideally, this is how I would like to have everything connected:

DVI - Moxi Box
Component - Progressive DVD Player/VCR combo unit
Composite - Sony PS2 Console

I'll have to wait and see if, and when, Aldelphia will be adding the 480i resolution to the DVI port... Until then, component with 480i checked will be used...

- Air B :p

I'm the president and this still stinks! My box has been so buggy lately I've been taking a fly swatter to it when it starts acting up. Maybe the cable companies will smarten up one day. What other DVR companies do different cable systems use? Now imagine if certain cable systems such as Charter went with a newer technology from ReplayTv. Hmmmmmmm
I'm thinking this thing may as well run on windows since the whole based on linux(am I correct on this?)isn't working out.





QUOTE=joe221]I too have two networked ReplayTVs that run rings around the MOXI. I don't understand how a company (Digeo) can see all that is arround them (TiVo & Replay & D* & E*) and create something so backwards from the current state? Why not buy RTV from DNNA (they'd probably sell the rights for a jug of Maker's Mark and a pack of smokes!) and merge the technologies? A dual tuner HD ReplayTV is a wet dream of a lot of AVS people and major reason not to switch to Satillite. But what do I know, I'm only the CEEEEO. ;)[/QUOTE]

Anyone know of a way to have video via DVI with analogue (rca) audio at the same time?
I'm doing that right now. I run the L/R connectors to my Amp so I can drive wireless headphones. It works whether I chose component or DVI.

Nope, no enclosed cabinet. The 9022 is sitting on a shelf, all by itself with nothing even close to it. Any other ideas? So, it looks like the communications between the Mate and the main unit are not being held consistently. How many splitters are in between the units?* The other thing is the check that the connections are all snug.

Oh, this just gets better and better. I just counted EIGHT programs in the next week ALONE that will not be recorded because the Moxi thinks they are repeats. Nowhere in the program description does it say repeat. And this does NOT include at least 3 baseball games that were counted at repeats.

And, by the way I AM on firmware revision 3.2.

I have set new timers on my Dish Network DVR. I KNOW it doesn't screw up like this. If the Moxi would allow you to set up a manual repeating timer [repeat each week by time] it wouldn't be QUITE so bad. But it doesn't. Who in the hell designed this thing?

While I'm ranting, the NFL Network 'On Demand' programming hasn't even been VISIBLE since the beginning of the season. Probably a Charter issue, but I'm not discounting the possibility that the Moxi has something to do with it, especially given the stupid problems I'm having.

But, hey, it has a great LOOKING interface. Too bad it doesn't WORK.

By the way, someone mentioned the lack of a two-tuner HD DVR for satellite programming. Dish Network has the 942 model, and is soon to release the mpeg4 compatable 962. Soon all HD satellite programming will be mpeg4 for bandwidth reasons. AND they have all the old Voom programming NOW.

MoxiGuy, have you considered calling Charlie Ergens about a marketing position with Dish?

So, it looks like the communications between the Mate and the main unit are not being held consistently. How many splitters are in between the units?* The other thing is the check that the connections are all snug.

No idea on the amount of splitters. Charter has taken care of all installation steps at my house. I have not personally added any splitters to the mix.

Note- I said a few pages ago on this thread that my reception on the Mate has never been perfect. Charter had 3 techs at my house during installation and spent over 3.5 hours at my house trying to get the Moxi to have clean, crisp reception. For the function of this television [mostly cartoons for my kids] the reception is 'ok' but not perfect...you can see artifacts especially in red areas and you hear a noticable hum when there is text on the screen.

I do remember hearing the tech state that he put filters on both the 9022 and Mate lines...could this be the problem?

Still no 3.2 in Ventura County. Not that I really care.

What really bugs me is the notifications from Adelphia that I now get VOD on premiums for free since I subscribe when I don't get VOD at all.


Got it overnight. I've been out of town.

Unfortunately still no VOD.

Why not buy RTV from DNNA (they'd probably sell the rights for a jug of Maker's Mark and a pack of smokes!) and merge the technologies? A dual tuner HD ReplayTV is a wet dream of a lot of AVS people and major reason not to switch to Satillite. ;)

I could never figure why someone with clout didn't buy ReplayTV. Like Sony, JVC, LG, Samsung, etc.

If they do I'll be washing my sheets.

Maybe then we'd have a decent Cablecard box.

Now imagine if certain cable systems such as Charter went with a newer technology from ReplayTv.
I wouldn’t count on it, see……………….

http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/may2005/nf20050512_0129_db016.htm
for the guy that controls Charter.

And now, just guess who the chairman of Digeo is ?

Is that like being double scr**ed ! :eek:

Have been playing with 3.2 since I discoverd I had it since Friday. I have had the DVI port hooked up to my ISF calibrated Hitachi 65X500 since I got the box in August in hopes of it sometime working and as soon as 3.2 appeared so did the image!! As one of the few last owners of a "High End" RPT CRT unit I can say there IS a diference in PQ over YPbPr. I'm currently watching a recording of "The Edge" that I recorded yesterday on CinemaxHD and the DVI image has slightly less noise, better depth and slightly more detail. Now back to my movie.....

Just so I have this straight...

I only use the Moxi for local HD channels. No SD channel viewing.

If I have 480i and 1080i checked, should all programing on the HD locals come in stretched?

So far, it's been hit or miss. Some programing will fill the screen, some won't. I was a little surprised to see programs like Survivor and Apprentice in "pillar" mode, while some other primetime programing filled the whole screen.

Any ideas?

Also, to confirm, based on my reading, olny one of you has DVI to HDMI to work or have several of you had success? I'm trying to figure out what cable to purchase.

Thanks

This really sucks… I had two season premieres deleted for space today… The whole point of having the Series recording schedule is so that you DON'T have to set them manually… There is no warning that the recording is going to be deleted. It's just gone. Period…
Shouldn't the Moxi wait and delete ONLY when there is ACTUALLY no more room instead of when it CALCULATES there MIGHT NOT be any more room OVER A WEEK FROM NOW?...
… The guide is TERRIBLE… Charter gives me a 15 minute skip forward button. What the hell good is THAT?? … When the Moxi [or whatever Two-Tuner DVR Charter has in it's future] has a USER FRIENDLY MENU instead of this glitzy piece of GARBAGE menu I MIGHT come back.
… I wonder what MoxiGuy will have to say about my post. How can you market something with SO many issues. I'd quit my job [I am in marketing myself].

Oh, this just gets better and better. I just counted EIGHT programs in the next week ALONE that will not be recorded because the Moxi thinks they are repeats. Nowhere in the program description does it say repeat. And this does NOT include at least 3 baseball games that were counted at repeats….

MoxiGuy, have you considered calling Charlie Ergens about a marketing position with Dish?
Here's what MoxiGuy has to say: I agree that it sucks when programs that you want to see are either not recorded or wiped before you get to see them. With premieres, NFL, and the closing weeks and post-season MLB all hitting at the same time, this is a rough time for avid viewers and the DVRs that serve them. I'm sorry we failed you.

Here's the capacity of our 80 Gb hard drive in play time as listed on our website.

Up to 51 hours SD digital
Up to 21 hours SD analog (usually the channels up to 99)
Up to 11 hours HD

It's short. We know that. Everyone on this forum knows that. We're working to double that and to support external drives... but that won't happen until next year.

I also agree that there's a big missing feature in our guide: the ability to dial forward and see all the networks at once. We have a fix for that in version 4.0. (STATUS: now in QA and Digeo employee home trials. There are a few months of testing and validation ahead of us before it's ready for release.)

Thanks for your post. Seriously. It's a lot more fun for us to read praise, but it's more helpful to read complaints. We are serious about delivering the best user experience possible, and if our interface is letting you down, we want to hear about it.

I have a feeling, though, that at this point, you are so upset that you're hunting for gotchas and making assumptions about how the software operates.

For example, We don't delete shows in advance. They only disappear when a new show actually begins recording and we estimate that there is not enough room to complete it.

The three baseball games that won't record because they're repeats? Here's what that's all about. We try to avoid recording duplicates of the same episode or movie. Those three shows are listed as "Teams TBA." So, our scheduler thinks they are duplicates. It doesn't really understand baseball. The reality... before those games actually air, the listings will change. Teams will be announced. The scheduler will re-run and discover that those are not duplicates. All of those shows will actually record. Not an issue.

Check the other shows that are listed as repeats. Are they duplicate airings of the same episode? The word "repeat" is not used in the program listings for any syndicated programs from past seasons. But we still can weed out duplicates by looking at data such as original airdates or episode numbers.

Finally, I'm not about to hang my head, turn tail, and quit over this. (That leaves the field open for you to call Charlie about that marketing job with Dish.) Part of my job is to let the rest of the company know where we're letting our customers down so we can go fix it and get it right.
Glad to know that you're wiling to, maybe, give us another shot when we do.

MoxiGuy

I'm still trying to figure out what a 15 minute skp button
is good for myself.When I got my Moxi close to a year ago, it was a 30 second skip. Since cable companies sell ad space too, it's not really to their advantage to provide their users with the means to skip straight past them. I personally use the 15 minute skip a lot...it's good for just quickly skimming around.

So far, it's been hit or miss. Some programing will fill the screen, some won't. I was a little surprised to see programs like Survivor and Apprentice in "pillar" mode, while some other primetime programing filled the whole screen.

Any ideas?It's your network affiliate -- the local CBS, NBC, etc. -- that's doing the pillarboxing, not the DVR. You'll have to use your TV's controls to stretch the program, if that's what you want.

Really, that's probably what you probably want to have happen, but if you'd rather leave the scaling to the Moxi, uncheck "480i" in the HDTV settings menu.

Thanks for the response. I get the impression that you think that leaving the 480i enabled and letting my TV add the gray bars should yield the better analog SD picture. Is that right? Or, is it supposed to be better to disable the 480i output and let the Moxi scale it and add black bars? I tried to compare the two methods today, but the glare from my windows was too bad to tell. I'd test it now, but my wife won't yield the TV during Desperate Housewives in HD.

Also, to confirm, based on my reading, olny one of you has DVI to HDMI to work or have several of you had success? I'm trying to figure out what cable to purchase.
Thanks
Correct, to the best of my knowledge, Joe 221 is the only forum member to state that he is getting signal to the HDMI input of his TV via a DVI/HDMI cable. Perhaps others will chime in once everyone is given some time to do hook-ups.

We have an oblique response from MoxiGuy stating…………

"We have testimony on this thread that DVI is working (scroll up). How much more proof do you need? If it's not working for you, call Adelphia. If your TV input is HDMI, you're not SOL. You're just out the cost of an adapter or cable. (or you can wait until next year when the Samsung boxes ship)."

I don’t know if he is implying that he knows that some TV’s with HDMI input will not accept Hi-Def signals over a DVI/HDMI cable from the Moxi
OR
that some Moxi’s have a malfunctioning DVI port ?

Perhaps he will elaborate in the future.

Regardless, I don’t call Adelphia. I call "Coop"......a close relation, and then Adelphia calls ME.

Which is probably the only darn reason I haven't switched to satellite .

Is there a way to directly record the audio portion of a program kept on my Moxi?

We have an oblique response from MoxiGuy stating…………
I wasn't trying to be oblique or evasive. You said you wanted proof. I figured you would find the forum participants credible.

DVI = Digital Visual Interface.
HDMI = High Definition MultiMedia Interface (multimedia meaning audio and visual). HDMI is a successor to DVI. It's not some totally new standard. HDMI is compatible with DVI using an adapter.

I know of no cases where a DVI to HDMI adaptor or cable fails to work--except for yours. But we haven't tested every model of TV out there.

HDMI looks to be the emerging standard for new high-end AV equipment because it carries both audio and video, eventually simplifying all of our lives. DVI is video only, meaning you still need an additional digital audio connection. (Naturally, if you use an DVI to HDMI cable, you'll only be getting the video signal on your HDMI. As Joe says, you'll need a separate audio connection. When we have native HDMI out, the sound and picture will both be carried on the single HDMI cable.)

does any one know how to unlock the USB or how to set it up to use it to connect to a media server????



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Alex

Nothing like a picture. Video 8 on my Sony 60XS955 is HDMI. I'm using a noname cable. Audio is going out optically to my Amp.

does any one know how to unlock the USB or how to set it up to use it to connect to a media server????



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Alex

We all do, and we're not telling you! :p
Welcome to MoxiLand!

well... I guess thank you for the welcome but...
why wont you tell me??? :confused: :confused: :mad: :confused:



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Alex

well... I guess thank you for the welcome but...
why wont you tell me??? :confused: :confused: :mad: :confused:



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Alex

Just joshing you, nothing works, at least anything that would help. Like open USB ports so we can add any HDD box. Nah just put in an 80-Gig no one will notice.
Read the last 3-4 pages you'll get the gist of the fun we have here!

Is it possible to watch live TV on a Mate on the same channel being recorded on the 9022?

I had the main box recording the Pats/Steelers game, and I was upstairs where the Mate is and figured I'd check to see whether the game was over. It would not let me tune into CBS (Channel 4 on Charter/St Louis) in real time. No matter how I came at it, no Channel 4. In fact, it bounced me back to the channel it had been on (in this case HBO/500) and then froze. Only way to unfreeze it was to hit the channel up/down button.

Is any of this normal behavior? (well, not the freeze, but being unable to watch live TV on the mate on a channel being recorded on the main box)....
Anybody else seen this?

barry

penton-man -

im not sure why you are so animated on trying to prove dvi -> hdmi doesnt work, but you can add me to the list with joe of people that say it works. IT DOES WORK.

however- The only reason i dont use it is because it is practically useless. I dont see who would use it for HD channels exclusively, only then have to switch to another input to watch SD channels. (I was so happy dvi was activated with 3.2 so i finally didnt have to manually switch my component cables back and forth from my moxi/xbox, but im still doing it because of what ive stated)

Also, the picture quailty on my pioneer 4312 using a dvi -> hdmi cable or component is the same for my eyes.

Bo

Is there a way to directly record the audio portion of a program kept on my Moxi?Yes. How to do it depends on your setup. If your audio runs through a receiver, there may be Left/Right audio out ports that you can use. Some TVs also have audio out. You could also take the left and right audio out directly from the Moxi box and split the feeds with a Y cable, sending one feed to the TV and the other to your recorder.

I get the impression that you think that leaving the 480i enabled and letting my TV add the gray bars should yield the better analog SD picture.That's been my experience, at least.

Here's the capacity of our 80 Gb hard drive in play time as listed on our website.

Up to 51 hours SD digital
Up to 21 hours SD analog (usually the channels up to 99)
Up to 11 hours HD

MoxiGuy

There's HAS to be a way to get that 21 hours up higher. All the SD networks are analog.

I know they are not compressed like the SD Digital channels are, however, my Dish Network 501, an OLD model, has 30 hours of recording available [40gb]. My 508 has 60 [80gb].

The 510 and 522, which I don't have, have 90 hour capability. That's with a 120gb drive. These are the comparable numbers with SD Digital, I assume. I'd just LOVE to open the thing up and upgrade to a bigger drive.


Check the other shows that are listed as repeats. Are they duplicate airings of the same episode? The word "repeat" is not used in the program listings for any syndicated programs from past seasons. But we still can weed out duplicates by looking at data such as original airdates or episode numbers.
MoxiGuy

These are not repeat airings. They are all 1st run shows. Lost, Law & Order, CSI, etc. I just can't figure this one out.

As I said, if one were able to set up a manual repeating timer [for example, Wednesday 8:00 pm. every week channel #] it wouldn't be quite so bad. My Dish 50x receivers don't have Name-Based Recording yet, so this is what I have to do. Old school, yes, but at least it works.

The three baseball games that won't record because they're repeats? Here's what that's all about. We try to avoid recording duplicates of the same episode or movie. Those three shows are listed as "Teams TBA." So, our scheduler thinks they are duplicates. It doesn't really understand baseball. The reality... before those games actually air, the listings will change. Teams will be announced. The scheduler will re-run and discover that those are not duplicates. All of those shows will actually record. Not an issue.
MoxiGuy

Nope. Has nothing to do with TBA teams. It MIGHT be a rebroadcast of a game on FoxSportsNet, but it is impossible to tell, since it doesn't tell me what TIME the cancelled program is scheduled to air.

Back to recordings cancelled due to space, does the Moxi automatically reschedule these when space becomes available or does it reschdule everything once new guide info is downloaded [daily]. It doesn't appear so, since I deleted a couple of football games yesterday and I'm down to just a few hours of saved analog progamming.

I have owned a Tivo for about 2.5 years. In the past 7 months, I've had two of them die, and had to pay for out of warantee replacement, which means I get a refurbished box. It's started making me nervous, and having to pay for replacement hardwared greatly decreased any savings I had by purchasing a lifetime subscription. Where I was even with paying the lifetime vs. monthly subscription fees, I'm in the hole again for a while.

So, I decided to try a Moxi to see how it would work. I like the idea of not being responsible for the hardware if it breaks, or, of a "new improved" box comes out. I've had a Moxi unit, running 3.2 on Charter for a little over a week now. Overall, I'm pleasantly surprised. There are definetly things Tivo does better, but in some cases, I like the Moxi functionality better. I haven't made up my mind yet if I'm keeping the Moxi & selling the Tivo, but I'm leaning toward keeping the Moxi.

The main thing I miss from Tivo right now is the Home Media Option. I had quite a few CD's ripped to my PC, and loved being able to play them through my amp, via Tivo & my wireless network. I've seen on Splinke's Moxi faq that release 4.0 of the the Moxi software will include the "PC Link" software, which sounds like it's similar to Tivo's Home Media option. I'm hoping it will let me connect my Moxi to my wireless network & play music & photos from my PC.

So, my question is, do you think this functionality is really coming, or is it possible/likely to get canned? I realize that the Q4 2005 date may not happen, and I can wait some, but I really do miss this feature.

Thanks - Jevid

jevid,

Q4 2005 is not likely, but PC Link is still in the plans for next year. Unlikely to get canned.

I do remember hearing the tech state that he put filters on both the 9022 and Mate lines...could this be the problem?He probably added a filter where the cable comes into your house (this keeps the signals that the 9022 and Moxi generate from getting back into the network.) He may have also put attenuators in the line between the 9022 and the Mate. (Filters hold back a certain range of frequncies and let the others pass at full strength... attenuators drop the signal level of all frequencies.)

If you have attenuators in the line, try removing one.

If all this sounds like more than you want to deal with, call Charter.

Got back into town last Friday and fired up the projector. When playing some recorded SD stuff from the Moxi, it looked very odd. People were skinny! Then
I realized that the picture wasn’t stretched anymore. Adelphia had rolled out 3.2
in Eagle Rock the previous day. Now the poor step-children of Adelphia, East of the 5 (where is it assumed there isn’t any life in LA), have native pass-through, just like the swell folks West of the 405. I didn’t have to change any settings on
anything, the SD picture was just correctly display as 4:3 in a 16:9 frame.

Truly Amazing.

BTW, MoxiGuy, I must be one of the few people on the planet that likes the Moxi
interface. Especially the way programs are set to record. I’ve got Dish, DirectTV, and Comcast back in Denver with some abomination of a DVR. To me, Grids are more tedious than Excel spreadsheets. 500 channels and even just 24 hours in 30 minutes intervals yields 24,000 cells to slog through in a tiny on-screen virtual window. When I got my Moxi, I realized somebody finally did it right. Thanks MoxiGuy. Don’t change a thing.

I just got my MOXI hooked up this weekend, and I have a problem:

I am getting red pixilated washout on various areas of the picture now, and the audio dropout is really bad. I had a digital set top box previously, and its picture quality, while not HD, was far better and the audio never dropped out.

So I have to ask, has anyone else experienced this problem? And if you have, what did you do to resolve it?

He probably added a filter where the cable comes into your house (this keeps the signals that the 9022 and Moxi generate from getting back into the network.) He may have also put attenuators in the line between the 9022 and the Mate. (Filters hold back a certain range of frequncies and let the others pass at full strength... attenuators drop the signal level of all frequencies.)

If you have attenuators in the line, try removing one.

If all this sounds like more than you want to deal with, call Charter.

Could you describe what these attenuators look like, or post a pic of them? Then I'll start fiddling around....thanks!!

I just got my MOXI hooked up this weekend, and I have a problem:

I am getting red pixilated washout on various areas of the picture now, and the audio dropout is really bad. I had a digital set top box previously, and its picture quality, while not HD, was far better and the audio never dropped out.

So I have to ask, has anyone else experienced this problem? And if you have, what did you do to resolve it?

The installers accepted this as a good/successful install? Any number of issues are or could be at work here. First is the installers shouldn't have left.

Could you describe what these attenuators look like, or post a pic of them? Then I'll start fiddling around....thanks!! Before we get to that... try this. pull the powercord from the back of the Moxi Mate, then plug it back in. Before it comes up with the time, you should see a number that begins with rd . What's that number?

I wasn't trying to be oblique or evasive. You said you wanted proof. I figured you would find the forum participants credible.


Well until joe chimed in that he was successful, I can't recall anyone on this thread documenting that they were receiving HD into an HDMI input on their display whether using a DVI/HDMI cable or adopter.

I know of no cases where a DVI to HDMI adaptor or cable fails to work--except for yours. But we haven't tested every model of TV out there.

Thank you for the clarification.
Regardless, if my current box has a malfunctioning DVI port, the fault is most likely that of Motorola rather than Digeo.

penton-man -

im not sure why you are so animated on trying to prove dvi -> hdmi doesnt work,

I was trying to PULL a complete answer out of MoxiGuy.
Perhaps it was just a lack of communication between both of us. :confused:

The only reason i dont use it is because it is practically useless. I dont see who would use it for HD channels exclusively, only then have to switch to another input to watch SD channels.
Bo

Bo, for potentially better P/Q

In regards to my particular display……………

For the 720p Component Input----------
HDG-3000 Resolution pattern: 1-pixel pattern is highly filtered.

For the 1080i Component Input-------------
HDG-3000 Resolution pattern: 1-pixel pattern is so filtered it is gone

In other words, for my particular TV, the component inputs for accepting Hi-Def signals are much inferior to the HDMI inputs. How this translates into real-world viewing is yet to be determined.

Another reason is that I plan to run the signals from the Moxi to a video processor which I think will do a better job of cleaning up the noise and scaling artifacts if I keep the HD signals in a digital domain.

I think………………….

Did anyone completely loose audio over 904 (HD-NBC) last evening?

Also has anyone out there noticed increased P/Q with DVI compared to component?
As splinke said, you may have to do a little tweaking with your TV before you can reach a conclusion.

alright -

now i guess i was being vague. Obviously i know why someone would want to use dvi->hdmi, (thats why i want to) what i was trying to say was im not sure why anyone would use it with the current moxi 3.2, because it is so akward. To me, the limitation of no 480i -> dvi makes it useless for the time being.

Bo

BTW, MoxiGuy, I must be one of the few people on the planet that likes the Moxi
interface.
No, actually believe it or not......there are others............
http://sev.prnewswire.com/television/20041116/SFTU07916112004-1.html

alright -

now i guess i was being vague. Obviously i know why someone would want to use dvi->hdmi, (thats why i want to) what i was trying to say was im not sure why anyone would use it with the current moxi 3.2, because it is so akward. To me, the limitation of no 480i -> dvi makes it useless for the time being.

Bo
OK, that makes sense.
However, some people watch very little 480i, therefore, the input switching really isn't an issue.

Is there an honest/realistic time-frame for when expanded recording time capabilites would be available?
11 hours of HD is almost unacceptable.
I keep jumping the line whether to go with cable or DirecTV. I've liked just about everything with my Adelphia Moxi experience in the last month. But realizing how much HD broadcasts there are and how little recording time is available could soon be a deal breaker.
Unfortunately DirecTV is not in a much better position. I'm waiting for them to come out with the mpg4 boxes. So nothing is really a win-win right now.

Oh, how I'd love to buy a 300GB hard drive and a external usb enclosure, plug it in and have endless recording cabilities.
Will this be a reality sooner rather than later??? Honestly... Moxiguy?

Before we get to that... try this. pull the powercord from the back of the Moxi Mate, then plug it back in. Before it comes up with the time, you should see a number that begins with rd . What's that number?

rd19




Thanks MoxiGuy

Is there an honest/realistic time-frame for when expanded recording time capabilites would be available?
11 hours of HD is almost unacceptable.
I keep jumping the line whether to go with cable or DirecTV. I've liked just about everything with my Adelphia Moxi experience in the last month. But realizing how much HD broadcasts there are and how little recording time is available could soon be a deal breaker.
Unfortunately DirecTV is not in a much better position. I'm waiting for them to come out with the mpg4 boxes. So nothing is really a win-win right now.

Oh, how I'd love to buy a 300GB hard drive and a external usb enclosure, plug it in and have endless recording cabilities.
Will this be a reality sooner rather than later??? Honestly... Moxiguy?

If I remember correctly. Somewhere back in the endless pages preceding this, MG stated the USB box would be a cable company rented box. Not an open option. :mad:

Is there an honest/realistic time-frame for when expanded recording time capabilites would be available?
11 hours of HD is almost unacceptable.
I keep jumping the line whether to go with cable or DirecTV. I've liked just about everything with my Adelphia Moxi experience in the last month. But realizing how much HD broadcasts there are and how little recording time is available could soon be a deal breaker.
Unfortunately DirecTV is not in a much better position. I'm waiting for them to come out with the mpg4 boxes. So nothing is really a win-win right now.

Oh, how I'd love to buy a 300GB hard drive and a external usb enclosure, plug it in and have endless recording cabilities.
Will this be a reality sooner rather than later??? Honestly... Moxiguy?I can be honest, but I can't be definitive. We're (as we say in corporate-speak) working the issue here. But we don't have an answer yet.

If I remember correctly. Somewhere back in the endless pages preceding this, MG stated the USB box would be a cable company rented box. Not an open option. :mad: I don't think I said that. If I did, I was mistaken. There are two paths... 1. Put a larger drive in the box. Motorola will do if they get a purchase order from a cable company for a larger drive--which, of course, comes with a larger price tag--which they may choose to pass along to subscribers. 2. Use an add-on drive. This keeps the cable company out of the equation--and they're happy to stay out of it. They don't want to be in the add-on drive business--neither selling them nor renting them. The only limitation is that the drive needs to be qualified to have the level of throughput necessary to deliver glitch-free HDTV.

I don't think I said that. If I did, I was mistaken. There are two paths... 1. Put a larger drive in the box. Motorola will do if they get a purchase order from a cable company for a larger drive--which, of course, comes with a larger price tag--which they may choose to pass along to subscribers. 2. Use an add-on drive. This keeps the cable company out of the equation--and they're happy to stay out of it. They don't want to be in the add-on drive business--neither selling them nor renting them. The only limitation is that the drive needs to be qualified to have the level of throughput necessary to deliver glitch-free HDTV.

Why couldn't the end user just open up the box and install a larger drive? Is this theoretically possible? I can't believe that SOMEONE hasn't tried this.

I am in the middle of updating my FAQ, a process which is surprisingly complicated and time-consuming. I have posted an update, but it is still a work in progress. Please check it out (see the link in my signature below), and let me know if you have any comments or suggestions. I think it answers a majority of the questions that seem to come up in the forum, including many of those on the last few pages.

In addition, here are a few additional comments and questions:

1. I have tested the picture quality difference between allowing the Moxi to upconvert (and pillarbox) 480i to HD (480i de-selected in HDTV Setup) versus having the Moxi output native 480i to allow the TV to do the upconversion and pillarboxing (480i selected in HDTV Setup). There is no doubt in my mind that my Sony KDF-55WF655 (55" LCD rear-projection TV) does a MUCH better job of scaling the picture and adding the pillarbox.

2. For those of you using the DVI output, is there any tuning delay when switching between 720p and 1080i channels relative to using the component output (assuming you have both 720p and 1080i selected in HDTV Setup)?

3. What different intermediate 3.2 software versions are out there? Here are the ones I know about. Presumably, the Adelphia ones have an active DVI port (the second Adelphia one is the one I got off of my Moxi):

BendBroadband = 3.2.105.?
Charter = 3.2.112.10LR-P.94641 and 3.2.112.12LR-P.95897
Adelphia = 3.2.171.5LR-P.107338 and 3.2.171.8LR-P.108702

4. Does anybody have a new BMC9012 unit with a FireWire port? Can you provide any feedback? MoxiGuy (or FireWire BMC9012 owner), were there any other changes to these units, such as a functional RF port and/or improved MPEG2 encoding hardware, as suggested previously?

I don't think I said that. If I did, I was mistaken. There are two paths... 1. Put a larger drive in the box. Motorola will do if they get a purchase order from a cable company for a larger drive--which, of course, comes with a larger price tag--which they may choose to pass along to subscribers. 2. Use an add-on drive. This keeps the cable company out of the equation--and they're happy to stay out of it. They don't want to be in the add-on drive business--neither selling them nor renting them. The only limitation is that the drive needs to be qualified to have the level of throughput necessary to deliver glitch-free HDTV.

Why couldn't the end user just open up the box and install a larger drive? Is this theoretically possible? I can't believe that SOMEONE hasn't tried this.

The installers accepted this as a good/successful install? Any number of issues are or could be at work here. First is the installers shouldn't have left.

The installer had no answers, and his only response was to keep re-setting the box, and hope that it corrects the problem. He said he had never seen this type of problem before. So I re-scheduled for a tech to come out.. hopefully it's someone who knows a LOT more than the installer does.

Why couldn't the end user just open up the box and install a larger drive? Is this theoretically possible? I can't believe that SOMEONE hasn't tried this.


A guy posted awhile back who claimed to attempt doing this. He ended up with a dead moxi box that would would booted up with an error message leaving the moxi completly dead.

I wish it was possible. Or even if Digeo came out with add-ons that they sold at some sort of lame mark up. Anything would be a huge plus. Because of my work & school schedule this semester I have been forced to cancel all my HD recordings and switch them over to analog because of having so little storage space. Luckily I do not own an HDTV and was just trying to take advtage of the 5.1 surround & crisp digital picture. If I had an HDTv I probably would have been forced to buy the moxi+mate with larger hard drive or would have just moved onto Dish or DirecTV....

Phatty

Why couldn't the end user just open up the box and install a larger drive? Is this theoretically possible? I can't believe that SOMEONE hasn't tried this.
Although many of us would like to do this, it is not possible. From the FAQ:

"Adding a larger internal hard drive: Most users are only renting the box from their cable company, and it would certainly be a violation to modify it. More importantly, the hard drives are 'locked' to the specific Moxi box in which they are installed. They cannot even be swapped with other Moxi hard drives."

I would also recommend checking out the "Recording - General" section of the FAQ for information on the Moxi's recording capacities (and the differences between HD, digital SD, and analog SD--Dish Network is all HD or digital SD) and the "Recording - Scheduling" section to help demystify (but not solve) some of the frustrating and confusing behaviors of the Moxi's scheduler.

If I remember correctly. Somewhere back in the endless pages preceding this, MG stated the USB box would be a cable company rented box. Not an open option. :mad:
FAQ: "Digeo originally planned to release a companion box called the Moxi Plus. This unit was designed to attach to a USB 2.0 port on the back of the main BMC box, and it included an optional optical drive, available as either a "read only" or a "read/write", for playing/recording DVDs and importing audio CD files. The unit was also to include an 80-360 GB hard drive for additional recording capacity and an internal memory card slot for importing photos. In April, 2005, the Moxi Plus was quietly removed from Digeo's list of future hardware, presumably due to lack of interest on the part of its cable company partners."

I just received a MoxiMate which I put on my bedroom TV. Previously I did not use a cable box and just connected the cable directly to the TV. The TV is not digital. The picture is not as clear as it was without the Mate. Is this to be expected because the Mate is digital and my TV is not or could there be some other reason involved? I have Charter Cable.

More importantly, the hard drives are 'locked' to the specific Moxi box in which they are installed. They cannot even be swapped with other Moxi hard drives.

This means nothing. All we need is someone that can hack, with a moxi. Xbox hard drives use the same scheme, and once they were hacked all you have to do is reformat the drive and copy over the eeprom code from the orginal (smaller) HD.
It can be done, just no one has sucessfully figured out how yet.

Bo

Just so I have this straight...

I only use the Moxi for local HD channels. No SD channel viewing.

If I have 480i and 1080i checked, should all programing on the HD locals come in stretched?

So far, it's been hit or miss. Some programing will fill the screen, some won't. I was a little surprised to see programs like Survivor and Apprentice in "pillar" mode, while some other primetime programing filled the whole screen.

Any ideas?

Sure, those programs don't broadcast in widescreen (at least, I know Apprentice doesn't). One of the few NBC prime-time programs that broadcasts in good old 4:3.

I don't get it, but I think that's a choice NBC must have made because every other show on NBC at night (it seems) is widescreen. I also don't recall the "Widescreen" caption at the beginning of Apprentice like I do many of their other shows.

Although many of us would like to do this, it is not possible. From the FAQ:

"Adding a larger internal hard drive: Most users are only renting the box from their cable company, and it would certainly be a violation to modify it. More importantly, the hard drives are 'locked' to the specific Moxi box in which they are installed. They cannot even be swapped with other Moxi hard drives."

I would also recommend checking out the "Recording - General" section of the FAQ for information on the Moxi's recording capacities (and the differences between HD, digital SD, and analog SD--Dish Network is all HD or digital SD) and the "Recording - Scheduling" section to help demystify (but not solve) some of the frustrating and confusing behaviors of the Moxi's scheduler.

I just checked out the FAQ for the 1st time and it is quite informative. It also explains the reasons for most of the frustrations I've been having.

I have upgraded a couple of Dish Network DVR's to larger hard drives and it is certainly NOT just a matter of swapping them out. You have to flash the unit with virgin firmware and 'marry' the drive to the receiver, and THEN you can stream update the firmware. NOT something for the casual user. Only specific [and generally OEM] drives will work. There is a Yahoo group devoted to this 'hobby.'

I suspect the procedure for the Moxi is similar, IF you can find the firmware and IF you find [or write] software to write the software to the Moxi itself. Not for the faint of heart, for sure.

This means nothing. All we need is someone that can hack, with a moxi. Xbox hard drives use the same scheme, and once they were hacked all you have to do is reformat the drive and copy over the eeprom code from the orginal (smaller) HD.
It can be done, just no one has sucessfully figured out how yet.

Bo

BUT, you don't OWN the Moxi. You OWN the XBOX or D* or Dish boxes. You breaky you owny, you only out cost. Moxi, you're out violation of that paper you signed with the cable company. Now lets see what they charge when you break THEIR property. Who wants to be first to test this!? :D
That guy who experimented found where the Moxi could be bought, I think he's out $600 or so.
Any takers? :cool:

I don't think I said that. If I did, I was mistaken. There are two paths... 1. Put a larger drive in the box. Motorola will do if they get a purchase order from a cable company for a larger drive--which, of course, comes with a larger price tag--which they may choose to pass along to subscribers. 2. Use an add-on drive. This keeps the cable company out of the equation--and they're happy to stay out of it. They don't want to be in the add-on drive business--neither selling them nor renting them. The only limitation is that the drive needs to be qualified to have the level of throughput necessary to deliver glitch-free HDTV.

For the short term, just give us the option of storing to or recalling from to the external drive, not necessarily in real time. This removes the bandwidth/throughput limitations. Encrypt the hell out of it if you like. Don't even tell the rest of the world, just us whiners who are willing to download the secret decoder ring.

I can buy always buy a couple of 300G drives and use them for something else if I churn.

I can't get my Moxi remote to work with my Fujitsu Plasma display. The traditional Fujitsu codes won't work. Has anyone been able to get their remote to work with their display?

My first posting...

I have had the Moxi for about 6 months and have never had any problems. It is very responsive and never locked up or had any pixilation. I had gotten used to switching from HD to SD manually so the I was not that concerned with the 3.2 software upgrade. Then last Tuesday Adelphia upgraded the software in Newbury Park, Ca. and now I can no longer record in HD in the evening without major pixilation and sound drop outs. In the mornings I need to reboot the Moxie to get rid of the pixilation. Some evenings the recording will be OK on one HD station but not on the other but other nights it will not be viewable on either station. Last night it locked up for the first time.

I have called for service and they are sending someone out tomorrow but suggested that I unplug the machine instead of pushing the reset button. The service rep said unplugging did a stronger reboot. She couldn't expain what that meant but said it might fix the problem. I will see this evening :cool: .

Moxiguy, is there any way to go back to the 3.0 software version since this was mentioned in the SPL Moxi FAQ as a known issue with the 3.2?

Bob

Bob,

Holding the reset button triggers a "soft reboot." Cycling the power off and on by unplugging (also known as power-cycling) triggers a "hard reboot." In a soft reboot there may be some bits of volatile memory or other states in some of the chips that are retained through the process. Usually this doesn't matter. But if you unplug, count to thirty and replug, you can be sure that all of the chips have reset. That's why power cycling is a "stronger reboot."

I don't think we can get you back to 3.0 software.

What exactly is the "known issue" that you are referring to?

Quote:
Originally Posted by MoxiGuy
Before we get to that... try this. pull the powercord from the back of the Moxi Mate, then plug it back in. Before it comes up with the time, you should see a number that begins with rd . What's that number?


rd19




Thanks MoxiGuy


Moxiguy, did you see this earlier?

I'm still a little confused about what my new set up should be. Now that 3.2 occurred, I'm having a second Moxi installed on my HD set to replace the Motorola HD cable box. Currently, the Motorola is connected to my tv (Sony GW III) via DVI & digital audio. HD channels come through in 16:9, and non-HD channels come through in 4:3, all on the same input (DVI). That's what I'd like to have with my new Moxi -- everything in original aspect ratio -- no stretching. Is that possible using just the DVI, or does DVI display only the HD channels? If DVI displays only the HD channels, should I just use component cables? (I doubt I'd notice the difference.) Or should I use component cable input for SD channels and DVI for HD channels? And under Moxi settings, what settings should I check off?

to: MoxiGuy

Should the hard reboot fix my problem?

The "known problem" I am referring to is from the SPL Moxi FAQ under the heading "BUGS", subheading "AUDIO/VIDEO". It may have been an anecdotal observation rather than a known bug.

It was only wishful thinking about rolling back to the previous version of software.

I will let you know if the hard reboot helped after this evenings' attempts at recording.

Bob

I'm still a little confused about what my new set up should be. Now that 3.2 occurred, I'm having a second Moxi installed on my HD set to replace the Motorola HD cable box. Currently, the Motorola is connected to my tv (Sony GW III) via DVI & digital audio. HD channels come through in 16:9, and non-HD channels come through in 4:3, all on the same input (DVI). That's what I'd like to have with my new Moxi -- everything in original aspect ratio -- no stretching. Is that possible using just the DVI, or does DVI display only the HD channels? If DVI displays only the HD channels, should I just use component cables? (I doubt I'd notice the difference.) Or should I use component cable input for SD channels and DVI for HD channels? And under Moxi settings, what settings should I check off?
Check out the FAQ for all the details, but here is some information and suggestions.
You CAN view SD and HD channels through the DVI cable (all with the correct aspect ratio), but my main recommendation would be to just hook it up with a set of component cables and check 480i and whichever HD resolution(s) are supported by your display in the Moxi's HDTV Setup menu.

Here is my reasoning: If you want to view SD channels through the DVI cable, you must leave 480i de-selected in HDTV Setup and allow the Moxi to scale the SD channels up to HD. Unfortunately, the picture quality almost certainly will be noticeably worse than if you allow your TV do this. You could hook up a separate set of component cables just for viewing SD channels (and watch HD channels over DVI). However, I doubt that you would notice a difference in picture quality between DVI and component on the HD channels, and it would be more inconvenient to have to switch between inputs on your TV whenever you switched between SD and HD channels.

That said, there are a few reasons you may want to test your other options: (1) you may get better picture quality on HD channels over DVI vs. component; (2) you may be able to tweak your display to optimize HD picture quality on the DVI input, and separately tweak it to optimize SD picture quality on the component input.

Testing:

1. Hook your Moxi to your display with both the DVI cable and a set of component cables. Make sure 480i is NOT selected in HDTV Setup and view an SD channel over the DVI input (tweak your TV's video settings to optimize picture quality, if necessary). Next, select 480i in HDTV Setup and view the SD channel over the component input (again tweak your TV's video settings to optimize picture quality, if necessary). If you do not see any difference in picture quality, or if the picture quality is better over DVI, then just go with the DVI cable and leave 480i de-selected in HDTV Setup (also see test 3). Most likely, though, picture quality will be noticeably better over component with 480i selected. In that case, conduct test 2.

2. Select the HD resolution(s) supported by your display in HDTV Setup and view an HD channel through both the DVI and component inputs (tweak your TV's video settings to optimize picture quality, if necessary). If you do not see any difference (most likely), then just go with the component connection and check 480i and the HD resolution(s) supported by your display in HDTV Setup (see test 3, though). If the HD channels looked better over the DVI connection, then go with the dual connection (both DVI and component) and check 480i and the HD resolution(s) supported by your display in HDTV Setup. In this latter case, you will have to switch between the DVI and component inputs when switching between HD and SD channels. You may also want to re-optimize the component input video settings for SD channels.

3. It is possible that you can further optimize picture quality by separately changing the video settings (or having your display professionally calibrated) for HD and SD channels on separate inputs. In this case, you can optimize the DVI input for HD channels and the component input for SD channels.

Sure, those programs don't broadcast in widescreen (at least, I know Apprentice doesn't). One of the few NBC prime-time programs that broadcasts in good old 4:3.

I don't get it, but I think that's a choice NBC must have made because every other show on NBC at night (it seems) is widescreen. I also don't recall the "Widescreen" caption at the beginning of Apprentice like I do many of their other shows.

Apprentice is a reality show, which shoots hundreds or thousands of hours of footage and therefore most likely shoots MiniDV/DVcam. At the VERY best maybe Beta SP for some of the boardroom stuff.

If I recall correctly, the rest of NBC's prime time programming is scripted, of which most (if not all) shoot film that's telecined and finished in HD.

Apprentice is a reality show, which shoots hundreds or thousands of hours of footage and therefore most likely shoots MiniDV/DVcam. At the VERY best maybe Beta SP for some of the boardroom stuff.

If I recall correctly, the rest of NBC's prime time programming is scripted, of which most (if not all) shoot film that's telecined and finished in HD.
I thought this same thing when I saw the original post, and it makes perfect sense, but are you implying that The Apprentice is not scripted? :) Yeah, right! :)

Some of the sit-coms appear to be HD video to me, as opposed to transferred film. They have that distinctly different "look," I think due to the higher original framerate (~30 frames/sec vs. 24 frames/sec)?

I Presumably, the Adelphia ones have an active DVI port
All it took was a call to the right people at Digeo for me to get a functioning DVI port.

It was not a problem with my TV.
It was not a problem with the DVI/HDMI cable.
It was not a problem with the Motorola DVI port build on the Moxi box.
It was not a problem with Adelphia’s 3.2 push.

Well I had hoped that 3.2 would eliminate my recurring problem of sound loss on NBC-HD (904), but the problem resurfaced again last night.

As I have described months ago on this forum, when the MOXI is doing multiple recordings, moving from one recording to another, or being multi-tasked in any way I completely loose sound on NBC-HD. NBC is the only channel this happens on. I usually won't find out about it until after the fact and the recording is completely useless. If I happen to be watching, I have to reset the box to get sound back and I loose about five minutes of the show. It happens approximately 20%-30% of the time I record NBC programing, and is beyond aggravating.

Moxiguy, you never commented on my situation when I first brought it up, but is there anything I can do, or have done, to fix this problem?

Thanks!
bwb

I thought this same thing when I saw the original post, and it makes perfect sense, but are you implying that The Apprentice is not scripted? :) Yeah, right! :)

Point well taken. :)

Some of the sit-coms appear to be HD video to me, as opposed to transferred film. They have that distinctly different "look," I think due to the higher original framerate (~30 frames/sec vs. 24 frames/sec)?

Gosh, I'm not sure. I will admit I don't watch "Joey" or any of their other studio sitcoms. I do know that "Friends" was shot on film. It might be the way the shows shot in the studio with an audience and multi-camera setup are lit.

I wouldn't be surprised if they shoot HD they shoot 1080/24p though, if in fact they're shooting HD. Wouldn't seem to make a lot of sense to shoot at 1080i60.

I just got Moxi today (3.2 in Beverly Hills!). I'm trying to run it over DVI to my Samsung DLP tv. My problem is that I can't seem to get anything over DVI. Do I have to turn it on somehow? I've done a lot of reading and I don't think I do. This problem is compounded by the fact that my TV won't take a 720p signal over component (a known issue on some Samsung DLPs), and the moxi won't let me check the 720p box- when I try the screen flashs a few times and doesn't find a signal. I waited and waited for 3.2 so I could use DVI (I know I can't get SD channels over it, by the way)- what haven't I thought of? The DVI cable worked fine on my old Moto HD cable box. Might my box have a bad DVI port? That's the only thing I can think of. Help please!

Penton-Man:
I just noticed your most recent post after I finished writing mine... It seems like I might have the same problem you were having. What did the folks at Diego have you do?

Help me Moxiguy! God, Charter really gives me a headache. I was calling them to ask about adding another Moxi to my house and how much it would be. I've moved my Moxi around and have had it working in the livingroom and the den. I just got off the phone with the genius. I expressed concern about wanting to pick up another box at the local office and he gave me the spiel about them being in short supply and told me that a technician must come to my house to install it for proper installation and signal levels. Of course I couldn't argue the fact with the genius that I have moved my Moxi around and have had it working just fine in both rooms. He told me to call back in a couple weeks. I know he's full of it so I'll have to go to the local office and take care of it myself. I drop $150 plus with charter every month so they can at least extend to me some kind of courtesy. If all else fails I can always have my local tech come out and drop one off since my signal levels are always crap because of this very old wiring. He talked about replacing my wire from the pole. Hey Moxiguy, could alot of my problems with my box be related to poor signal strength? I couldn't tell you my exact signal level but I can guarantee you that the coax coming from the pole is probably around 5+ years old, maybe more. Sometimes I have pretty bad tiling around 105+ especially on the Nick channels. Sometimes one of my local HD channels gives me the check signal screen. I've had pretty bad tiling and some pixelation at various times on my different HD channels. If I go into my box from the menu can it give me an accurate signal strength? And what is the minimum strength for reliable operation from my box? Thanks again, and sorry for being such a pain at times.

...If I go into my box from the menu can it give me an accurate signal strength? And what is the minimum strength for reliable operation from my box?...
Check out the TROUBLESHOOTING sections of my FAQ.

All it took was a call to the right people at Digeo for me to get a functioning DVI port.

It was not a problem with my TV.
It was not a problem with the DVI/HDMI cable.
It was not a problem with the Motorola DVI port build on the Moxi box.
It was not a problem with Adelphia’s 3.2 push.


So...what WAS it??
:confused:

Moxiguy, did you see this earlier?Yes. seem my PM

All it took was a call to the right people at Digeo for me to get a functioning DVI port.

It was not a problem with my TV.
It was not a problem with the DVI/HDMI cable.
It was not a problem with the Motorola DVI port build on the Moxi box.
It was not a problem with Adelphia’s 3.2 push.

MG- I have the same problem (inactive DVI, but not a DVI-DVI cable). Do you know what Penton did to fix it? It's really driving me crazy.

MG- I have the same problem (inactive DVI, but not a DVI-DVI cable). Do you know what Penton did to fix it? It's really driving me crazy.

My guess! He tightened the cable! :p

you'll have to PULL it out of Penton-man. I have no idea.

So...what WAS it??
:confused:
I’m with a patient !
(Funny how quick one gets out of the room if the person at the door says that you have another patient in the hospital that is throwing a P.E.)

Geez, Joe, I had to watch House tonight ! :D

MG- I have the same problem (inactive DVI, but not a DVI-DVI cable). Do you know what Penton did to fix it? It's really driving me crazy.
Believe me marcsorel, I feel your pain. :eek:

My guess! He tightened the cable! :p
I’m sorry marcsorel and joe221, in my exuberance, I forgot to list the solution – also I was doing several things at the same time when posting that.

Marcsorel, it is indeed a fun problem to deal with ……….is it not?
As per a very helpful fellow at 877- 933 – 4436, (the Digeo *whispering here* secret number)………………

Just hold down the reset button on the front of the Moxi box for about 5 sec. or so and viola ! - yee shall have a functional DVI port !........with Adelphia SoCal’s Moxi 3.2.

Worked for me! :)

you'll have to PULL it out of Penton-man. I have no idea.
Not really, just preoccupied with other things like Psittacosis pneumonia !

Joe, I bet you didn’t know that word started with a “P” – errrr unless your wife works for an Infectious Disease specialist :rolleyes: (House forum thread – a few pages back from today probably....back den we were in da brain :eek: ).

P.S. "I have no idea."
MoxiGuy, I REALLY think you guys at Digeo should talk to each other more often. :p

thank you Splinke for the very clear explanation. I will try each of the settings and report back. When you say to check whatever HD resolutions are supported by the display, the brouchure for the tv (Sony KF-5-WE610) says it supports 1080i, 720p, 480p, and 480i. Does that mean I should check both 1080i AND 720p?

Check out the FAQ for all the details, but here is some information and suggestions.
You CAN view SD and HD channels through the DVI cable (all with the correct aspect ratio), but my main recommendation would be to just hook it up with a set of component cables and check 480i and whichever HD resolution(s) are supported by your display in the Moxi's HDTV Setup menu.

Here is my reasoning: If you want to view SD channels through the DVI cable, you must leave 480i de-selected in HDTV Setup and allow the Moxi to scale the SD channels up to HD. Unfortunately, the picture quality almost certainly will be noticeably worse than if you allow your TV do this. You could hook up a separate set of component cables just for viewing SD channels (and watch HD channels over DVI). However, I doubt that you would notice a difference in picture quality between DVI and component on the HD channels, and it would be more inconvenient to have to switch between inputs on your TV whenever you switched between SD and HD channels.

That said, there are a few reasons you may want to test your other options: (1) you may get better picture quality on HD channels over DVI vs. component; (2) you may be able to tweak your display to optimize HD picture quality on the DVI input, and separately tweak it to optimize SD picture quality on the component input.

Testing:

1. Hook your Moxi to your display with both the DVI cable and a set of component cables. Make sure 480i is NOT selected in HDTV Setup and view an SD channel over the DVI input (tweak your TV's video settings to optimize picture quality, if necessary). Next, select 480i in HDTV Setup and view the SD channel over the component input (again tweak your TV's video settings to optimize picture quality, if necessary). If you do not see any difference in picture quality, or if the picture quality is better over DVI, then just go with the DVI cable and leave 480i de-selected in HDTV Setup (also see test 3). Most likely, though, picture quality will be noticeably better over component with 480i selected. In that case, conduct test 2.

2. Select the HD resolution(s) supported by your display in HDTV Setup and view an HD channel through both the DVI and component inputs (tweak your TV's video settings to optimize picture quality, if necessary). If you do not see any difference (most likely), then just go with the component connection and check 480i and the HD resolution(s) supported by your display in HDTV Setup (see test 3, though). If the HD channels looked better over the DVI connection, then go with the dual connection (both DVI and component) and check 480i and the HD resolution(s) supported by your display in HDTV Setup. In this latter case, you will have to switch between the DVI and component inputs when switching between HD and SD channels. You may also want to re-optimize the component input video settings for SD channels.

3. It is possible that you can further optimize picture quality by separately changing the video settings (or having your display professionally calibrated) for HD and SD channels on separate inputs. In this case, you can optimize the DVI input for HD channels and the component input for SD channels.
Tell me splinke............do you write manuals for the Biotech outfit that you work for? :D

thank you Splinke for the very clear explanation. I will try each of the settings and report back. When you say to check whatever HD resolutions are supported by the display, the brouchure for the tv (Sony KF-5-WE610) says it supports 1080i, 720p, 480p, and 480i. Does that mean I should check both 1080i AND 720p?
Since, splinke is hard at work on his FAQ stuff.....I shall carry the team.....
The answer is YES !

I’m sorry marcsorel and joe221, in my exuberance, I forgot to list the solution – also I was doing several things at the same time when posting that.

Marcsorel, it is indeed a fun problem to deal with ……….is it not?
As per a very helpful fellow at 877- 933 – 4436, (the Digeo *whispering here* secret number)………………

Just hold down the reset button on the front of the Moxi box for about 5 sec. or so and viola ! - yee shall have a functional DVI port !........with Adelphia SoCal’s Moxi 3.2.

Worked for me! :)

So, what you're saying is ..."when in doubt, reboot!"?? :cool:

I’m with a patient !
(Funny how quick one gets out of the room if the person at the door says that you have another patient in the hospital that is throwing a P.E.)

Geez, Joe, I had to watch House tonight ! :D

More on the power of House...

I Moxied both House and Commander In Chief tonight. House was flawless. CiC was a digital mess for the first 7-8 minutes, then settled down. It glitched a couple more times durning the show but not like the beginning.

Tell me splinke............do you write manuals for the Biotech outfit that you work for? :D
No, but I write a lot grant applications. One learns to anticipate and correct any potential ambiguities upon which grant reviewers like to focus criticism.

Per Penton's instructions I did the whole reset thing, but still no dice. Does the DVI need to be plugged in when I do the reset? That's the only thing I can think of at this point unless it's a bad box....

But wait-

It works! The secret is you need to unplug all the component cables, connect the DVI, and then reset. Apparently there's some kind of check during the restart process which checks for DVI and component, and component takes priority and makes DVI inactive. At least that's how I read it. Anyway, now I have functioning DVI and 3.2.


Penton- I can see how you forgot to post how you fixed your DVI- this is great! Thanks for your help.

Glad to be of service. :)

Per Penton's instructions I did the whole reset thing, but still no dice. Does the DVI need to be plugged in when I do the reset?
Yes. :)

So now that I've got my DVI working I have a couple of Moxi newbie questions. Please forgive me if these have been addressed already- I'm having a hard time searching this thread. I also don't see these addressed in the FAQ, but any help would be very greatly appreciated.

First off, a bunch of shows, actually a bunch of episodes of one show (from the 100+ digital tier, if that matters) that were supposed to record last night are listed as having a length of one second, and I can't watch them. What gives?

I also had it record "Extras" on HBO last night, which is a 30 minute show. The recorded programs list only shows it as 18 minutes, and, sure enough, when I go to watch it the recording cuts off at 18 minutes as well. What gives?

are either of these fixable/workaroundable? I'm a little frightened that 2 of the 3 shows I tried to record on the first night of having Moxi failed...

Now that this mutual support network is functioning so well, I need to take your leave for a few days. My participation will be very sporadic until the weekend. Maybe even total abstinence. I will miss you.

Now that this mutual support network is functioning so well, I need to take your leave for a few days. My participation will be very sporadic until the weekend. Maybe even total abstinence. I will miss you.

And thanks for the fish! ;)

And thanks for the fish! ;)
What......did you get a free meal ????????? :mad:

What......did you get a free meal ????????? :mad:
Yeah, MoxiGuy took us all out for a great free meal at the restaurant at the end of the universe. I guess you weren't invited. :(

I also had it record "Extras" on HBO last night, which is a 30 minute show. The recorded programs list only shows it as 18 minutes, and, sure enough, when I go to watch it the recording cuts off at 18 minutes as well. What gives?

I just noticed that problem on my wife's recording of Top Model. It stopped 24 minutes in out of an hour. I'll try rebooting to see if it helps but I have a feeling it won't... On my backup TiVo in the other room it gave me a freeze frame at the exact same point the Moxi konked out. Maybe its Adelphia... probably is. I hate them.

MoxiGuy why do you have to leave us when this happens!?!

I just noticed that problem on my wife's recording of Top Model. It stopped 24 minutes in out of an hour. I'll try rebooting to see if it helps but I have a feeling it won't... On my backup TiVo in the other room it gave me a freeze frame at the exact same point the Moxi konked out. Maybe its Adelphia... probably is. I hate them.

MoxiGuy why do you have to leave us when this happens!?!

Adelphia is having a major outage on the Westside, that's probably it.

MoxiGuy why do you have to leave us when this happens!?!As if there's anything I could do about THAT. BTW... apologies to Penton-man for being unhelpful about his DVI problems. I expect to have a new recommended procedure for getting DVI going available for posting later today. (--from Starbuck's, Walnut and 16th, Philadelphia, PA)

...available for posting later today. (--from Starbuck's, Walnut and 16th, Philadelphia, PA)

So, I ASSuME that's where the "Party" is! :confused:

Adelphia is having a major outage on the Westside, that's probably it.

Unacceptable. They'd better credit my account, if I can get them on the phone. Now it looks like "Lost" and the second half of a "Law & Order" cliffhanger stopped after one second! These shows don't air again for a long time... hopefully someone in the Valley TiVo'd them...

Unacceptable. They'd better credit my account, if I can get them on the phone. Now it looks like "Lost" and the second half of a "Law & Order" cliffhanger stopped after one second! These shows don't air again for a long time... hopefully someone in the Valley TiVo'd them...

So, you'll get about 48 cents? Poopli for those that got it! :D

So, you'll get about 48 cents? Poopli for those that got it! :D

Hey, I can take that $4.80 they promised me and go... buy a gallon of of gas or something. I'd prefer if they would send me a DVD with the 3 shows it messed up, but its better than nothing. Still hate Adelphia.

Yeah, MoxiGuy took us all out for a great free meal at the restaurant at the end of the universe. I guess you weren't invited. :(
I just KNEW somebody somewhere was getting a free meal out of this. :mad:

As if there's anything I could do about THAT. BTW... apologies to Penton-man for being unhelpful about his DVI problems. I expect to have a new recommended procedure for getting DVI going available for posting later today. (--from Starbuck's, Walnut and 16th, Philadelphia, PA)
Thank you.
I recommend you also send out some memo to the Adelphia SoCal people about this matter because the techs are completely unaware of this potential pitfall.

A good contact person in Orange County (Anaheim) that works with you people (Digeo) is Ted King......who can spread the word down the line.

And no, I did not get the super-secret Digeo number from him. He doesn't even know me.

So, I ASSuME that's where the "Party" is! :confused:
Well the minimum he can do is Fed-Ex us some Philly CheeseSteaks and some Philly Soft Pretzels with Mustard !

Yes, I lived in the City of Brotherly Shove for a few years. :)

Adelphia is having a major outage on the Westside, that's probably it.
No problemo in East L.A. :D :D :D :D

Thank you.
I recommend you also send out some memo to the Adelphia SoCal people about this matter because the techs are completely unaware of this potential pitfall.Of course, we're doing that. In fact, they're getting it first.

thank you Splinke for the very clear explanation. I will try each of the settings and report back. When you say to check whatever HD resolutions are supported by the display, the brouchure for the tv (Sony KF-5-WE610) says it supports 1080i, 720p, 480p, and 480i. Does that mean I should check both 1080i AND 720p? Probably, yes. By checking both of them, you are betting that the scaling technology in your TV is going to give you a higher quality than the scaling technology in Moxi. When both are checked, then we pass each resolution along without mucking with it in the set top box and your TV gets to muck with it. If only one is checked, then Moxi will scale the unchecked resolution to match the checked resolution.

But I can't be sure how good the scalar in your TV is. Only you can tell. That's why splink recommends that you test and make your own choice. (--I made it to Princeton, NJ. Didn't have time to send cheese steak.)

listed as having a length of one second, and I can't watch them. What gives? ... the recording cuts off at 18 minutes as well. What gives? See what happens tonight. If you were caught up in the outage, that would explain short or missing shows. Moxi starts to record... finds no signal and stops. You have a "1-second" duration recording.

I am in the middle of updating my FAQ, a process which is surprisingly complicated and time-consuming. I have posted an update, but it is still a work in progress. Please check it out (see the link in my signature below), and let me know if you have any comments or suggestions. I think it answers a majority of the questions that seem to come up in the forum, including many of those on the last few pages.

In addition, here are a few additional comments and questions:...


3. What different intermediate 3.2 software versions are out there? Here are the ones I know about. Presumably, the Adelphia ones have an active DVI port (the second Adelphia one is the one I got off of my Moxi):

BendBroadband = 3.2.105.?
Charter = 3.2.112.10LR-P.94641 and 3.2.112.12LR-P.95897
Adelphia = 3.2.171.5LR-P.107338 and 3.2.171.8LR-P.108702

4. Does...

Charter in Kennewick, WA updated this morning (2005-09-29, 13:10:10 UTC) to 3.2.171.7LR-P.107558.

Splinke, thanks for your great FAQ and that you keep it up-to-date.

For those of you in the Rosemount and Rochester, MN areas serviced by Charter I have a knowledgable contact in the Apple Valley, MN office who has been working with me on PQ issues and he said the 9022, MoxiMate and VOD are in the "very near" future for these areas. This gentlemen also keeps on eye on this forum.

I am in Rochester. I have VOD now.

regarding the 9022 & moximate...

YES!!!!!!!!!!

(--from Starbuck's, Walnut and 16th, Philadelphia, PA)

If you are still in the area, you are only a couple of blocks from Pat's or Geno's. Best cheese steaks in the world (I grew up on them)

A very funny thing happened to me tonight - an Adelphia rep called ME to check up and see how they are doing and what comments I had! I told them about the 1-second recordings, and I told them I was ready to jump to DirecTV. I told her my number one complaint is the storage space on the Moxi. That's when she dropped not one but two bombs, straight from the horse's mouth:

1) Adelphia is planning at some point (she wouldn't say when) to introduce the MoxiMate. Commence breath holding until 2009.
2) Also in the pipeline for Adelphia is a 4-tuner Moxi, which I assume is based on the X-Stream chipset they mention on the Moxi website.

I had her forward as a big comment that the feature enabling external storage should be addressed as well. Sorry if I overlooked any probelms you guys were having - but other than the Moxi not being a TiVo those were my main complaints. Here's hoping we might get some decent improvements in not too terribly long a time!

If you are still in the area, you are only a couple of blocks from Pat's or Geno's. Best cheese steaks in the world (I grew up on them)Sorry. Moved on. But thanks for the tip.

2) Also in the pipeline for Adelphia is a 4-tuner Moxi, which I assume is based on the X-Stream chipset they mention on the Moxi website. I wouldn't be surprised if she got this wrong and it is rather a 4-TV sort of MoxiMate thing rather than 4 tuners but you never know.
It's the same thing. The box with the 4 tuners can feed up to 3 other Moxi Mates (a 4-TV thing).

It's the same thing. The box with the 4 tuners can feed up to 3 other Moxi Mates (a 4-TV thing).

Yeah, I figured that out after I re-read the datasheet, so I edited my post.

The installer had no answers, and his only response was to keep re-setting the box, and hope that it corrects the problem. He said he had never seen this type of problem before. So I re-scheduled for a tech to come out.. hopefully it's someone who knows a LOT more than the installer does.

UPDATE:

I had the MOXI replaced with another, and it worked perfectly. I also connected the digital out on the MOXI to the digi-in on my home theater system, and there is a definite improvement in audio quality! I get true 5.1 SS, which is pretty awesome. I watched an HD movie last night with the 5.1, and for the first time, my rear speakers started freaking me out, because the speakers were sending sound that I hadn't heard before.

1) Adelphia is planning at some point (she wouldn't say when) to introduce the MoxiMate. Commence breath holding until 2009.
2) Also in the pipeline for Adelphia is a 4-tuner Moxi, which I assume is based on the X-Stream chipset they mention on the Moxi website.

Here's hoping we might get some decent improvements in not too terribly long a time!

Will Adelphia still be around by then? Has anybody heard anything about the sale lately? I was wondering the other day when the sale is final will the new company stay with Moxi?

Jim

Will Adelphia still be around by then? Has anybody heard anything about the sale lately? I was wondering the other day when the sale is final will the new company stay with Moxi?

Jim
Adelphia has started advertising the transition to TW and Comcast. So it's within a year or so.
:D

Will Adelphia still be around by then? Has anybody heard anything about the sale lately? I was wondering the other day when the sale is final will the new company stay with Moxi?

Jim

I don't know; I live in Yucaipa, CA, and apparently the city council denied the permit for Time Warner to move in over Adelphia. According to this mornings paper, Adelphia owes the city around $93K in permit fees and they want to be paid before they will grant the permit to Time Warner!

What is really scary and more than likely a coincidence, my wife called me on my way to work to tell me that the cable went out! :confused:

Adelphia has started advertising the transition to TW and Comcast. So it's within a year or so.
:D

Wow that long?? I was hoping for something sooner than that.

Jim

That's been my experience, at least.

Thanks, Adam for your response. And, I note that splinke also commented on his observations of using the Moxi to upconvert 480i material versus passing the 480i to a TV and letting the TV handle it.

For the benefit of any others, I did some comparisons the other night and wholeheartedly agree with both of them. The analog SD material looks far better when sent to my TV at 480i than it does when I turn the 480i output off and trust the Moxi to upconvert it before sending it on to the TV.

The analog SD material looks far better when sent to my TV at 480i than it does when I turn the 480i output off and trust the Moxi to upconvert it before sending it on to the TV.And that's precisely why we did "native passthrough"

WTF? I just got back from vacation. I sat down and got ready to watch the shows that I recorded on the Moxi while I was gone. I was all excited because just before I left, we got 3.2 and I thought everything was going to be sooo cool when I got back.

When I tried to watch my shows, I got a few seconds of watchable stuff followed by audio dropout and pixelation, then a few more seconds of watchable stuff, then the pattern repeated itself. This happend on ALL the shows I had recorded for the past week. Both HD and SD. None of them were really watchable.

When I turn on the HD channels live, I get the same thing. I may also get it on the SD channels, but I've lost my patience.

So I scanned the messages that have been posted here while I was gone. From my quick scanning, it appears that other people have experienced this also. I probably skipped over some relevant posts, but the ones I did read said I should try unplugging my Moxi, waiting 30 seconds, and plug it back in. I did this and it did not help.

So now I have a Moxi that is unusable to me. WTF? This is so totally fricking unbelievable that I'm ready to break something. It's bad enough that I couldn't watch the shows I had recorded. But I can't use it for anything else either!!!!

W.........T.........F????????

Does anyone know how to fix this? Or do I call Adelphia and have them take this useless piece of crap back?

-Dan

Ok my parents just had the mate installed a week ago and it appears to have never been working properly. Way to go charter on double checking that things are good before leaving the install. So I went over to there house to troubleshoot. At first I thought it was the audio problem MoxiGuy mentioned of having bad audio output ports because My parents told me the sound was crackling. After doing some troubleshooting, changing cables around, the mate sound was still fuzzy sounding. I also noticed that the Moxi menu was also having a slight fuzz to it, more like twitching at the same time the fuzzy sounds would come through. So after troubleshooting the cables I disconnected the cable line coming into the main moxi. Low and behold the Mate played back the recorded programs, and menu was crystal clear without any fuzzy noise problems. I looked around behind the tv, and in the basement where the line comes in and coule not see any additional filters.

Moxiguy... Is this fuzzynness being caused by the lack of a filter installed by Charter? I was worried it was going to be the fault of the 15year old cable in the house, but once the mate & moxi communicated ok without a cable input it seemed more like it was interference from the cable line.

Right now The way the house is wired is cable line comes in gets split. One To cablemodem, one to tv upstairs upstairs. At upstairs TV it gets split again. One to Moxi & one to cable line that leads to attic where it directly then has a connection to the cable line that goes to the TV with the Mate(No splitters being used in the attic).

Will a filter clear this up? Or could they have installed the filter in the Charter box on outside of house? Anyway around looks like my parents are in store for another one of those wonderful 4 hour windows. I just hope it ends up being the filter and not the 15year old cable.

-Phatty

I thought it was the audio problem MoxiGuy mentioned of having bad audio output ports I'm passing your post on to our support group and I'll let you know what they recommend. Meanwhile, let me clarify a couple of things. The "end-of-record" sound I talked about is not transmitted to the Moxi Mate. If it happens, it only affects the main unit. Also, the problem is not with the audio port itself. It's something else. To my knowledge we've never had an issue with bad audio ports.

MG,

You previously mentioned that you would look into descrete codes for the Moxi box (for the Harmony 880). Have you any progress in getting ahold of them?

Thanks

A few folks reported having trouble activating DVI after the 3.2 upgrade. If you are on a Charter system, DVI is not yet active in your boxes. The rest of you... If you want to use DVI, here are the steps:

(This material has been discussed before and is covered in splinke's most excellent faq, but here's the official procedure)


Unplug the media center power cord, and then plug it back in.

Wait for the Moxi Menu to appear.
Connect the DVI cable between the TV and media center but leave the current video connection.
Set the video resolution to enable digital output over DVI and analog output
over an analog connection.

Navigate to the HDTV Setup card in the Moxi Menu
Select 480i.
Select either 720p or 1080i (choose the highest supported by the TV).
Select close.


In this configuration, all video is passed to the TV in its native resolution, without any
scaling. The subscriber must manually switch between video inputs with the TV. For
media centers connected via DVI, choose either 720p or 1080i but not both. This
optimizes tuning between 720p and 1080i encryption modes.

For example, you are watching an HD channel over DVI and then switch
to an analog channel, you see a black screen until you change the video input at
the TV to the secondary video connection. Usually, this can be done with the TV
remote.

... Moxiguy... Is this fuzzynness being caused by the lack of a filter installed by Charter? I was worried it was going to be the fault of the 15year old cable in the house, but once the mate & moxi communicated ok without a cable input it seemed more like it was interference from the cable line.

Right now The way the house is wired is cable line comes in gets split. One To cablemodem, one to tv upstairs upstairs. At upstairs TV it gets split again. One to Moxi & one to cable line that leads to attic where it directly then has a connection to the cable line that goes to the TV with the Mate(No splitters being used in the attic).

Will a filter clear this up? Or could they have installed the filter in the Charter box on outside of house?
-Phatty Without knowing exactly what's in your house, I can't be sure. But here are some clues.

An installation with Moxi Mate needs to have a low-pass filter to keep the signals generated by the 9022 from getting out into the general cable network. (It's our own version of, "What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas.") In most cases this filter is installed outside the house, where the cable comes in. In a case like you describe, where there are multiple splitters and branches, it might be better to move the filter inside.

From what we are learning, the low pass filter needs to be placed by the splitter closest to where the mate and the 9022 without being put between them. So, in your case, that means move the filter upstairs in front of the splitter that goes to the 9022 and Mate.

Let me know if this information is useful to you in troubleshooting and if you clear up the problem. (I'm sure splinke would love to add it to the FAQ.)

The filter (at least in my house) is a cylinder about .5 inch in diameter, and 1.5 inches long. It's labeled "Low Pass Filter."

With a 70” Qualia 006 as the display device.

No *obvious* differences in detail (other than see below).

There is *obvious* albeit minimal differences in color when comparing images using DVI cabling vs Component with the later showing slightly washed out colors with HI-Def material.

In other words, on my TeeVee with DVI cabling - the colors are richer, fuller, more film-like compared to Component with the display settings identical for both inputs. Of course YMMV.

MoxiGuy,

You PM'd me earlier and stated you were going to try and resolve my MoxiMate issues....I'm just wondering if anything was done yet. Thanks for the help!

Bruce

Bruce... I don't know. I'll ask next week.

Wow that long?? I was hoping for something sooner than that.

Jim

I'd be much more vocal if I was stuck with Adelphia. The Moxi will go at some point unless MG and crew can pull a miracle with TWC. This makes DTV look more and more attractive.

Well until joe chimed in that he was successful, I can't recall anyone on this thread documenting that they were receiving HD into an HDMI input on their display whether using a DVI/HDMI cable or adopter.


well i know i cant get it to work, i have Sony WEGA HD TV that has HDMI input and the Moxi has DVI...i tried everything and it don't work... it sucks because i bought Philips HDMI/DVI Conversion Cable model # PXT1000 that cost me 44 dollars......i got all happy when i read about HDMI and how it looks alot better than AV cables and found out that my tv has HDMI... oh man i ran out the door and bought those cables and it pissed me off when i looked at the screen and there was no picture in it .... i'm calling the cable guy tomorrow to check the moxi box and see if he can fix it....

why doesnt charter hav dvi working??? hmm that explains it...i guess i'm going to return thos cables and wait until charter gets dvi up and running

why doesnt charter hav dvi working??? hmm that explains it...i guess i'm going to return thos cables and wait until charter gets dvi up and running

According the the Charter CSR, the DVI port is an active port, but DVI is only supported in one area, and the CSR would not say what area that was.

IOW, you might be able to get the DVI to work, but if not, Charter will not assist you in doing so.

MoxiGuy (or anyone else who might have some insight) -

As you may have read in my previous rant, I've been having problems with pixelation and audio dropout. I think I've found the cause, but I don't understand it.

So here's a recap: Before 3.2 came out, everything was working fine. But ever since 3.2, I get extreme pixelation and dropouts -- mostly on HD channels, but I *think* it happens on non-HD also (but you know how easy it is to get confused when you're battling problems). What happens is this: I get about 3 seconds where everything is OK, followed by pixelation and audio dropout that makes it unviewable for about 5 seconds, then another 3 seconds of good picture... repeat ad nauseum.

The strange thing is, it doesn't happen all the time. It happens more often in the evening. Or, perhaps it only happens when I try to record something, however if I stop the recording, the problem continues -- but it's possible that the problem gets triggered by starting a recording. But maybe not...

Anyway, on a lark, I decided to remove my Radio Shack signal booster. Without the booster, the problem appears to have gone away. I recorded the last 40 minutes of "Commander in Chief" in HD last night, and it looks like the pixelation is gone.

OK, so I might chalk this up to the signal booster not being high quality (it is two-way). However I didn't have this problem before 3.2, so I wonder what's different? I need a signal booster, because without it, a lot of the SD channels have crappy PQ. I'm willing to get a "better" signal booster, but I'm afraid to buy anything until I'm relatively sure it won't cause the same problem.

Can you offer any wisdom on this?

-Dan

Hey dagwar,

I can tell you as a Charter tech that what you are experiencing happens a lot. The Radio Shack amp or even their splitters will work fine for a while and then all these digital issues crop up. So if you really need a signal booster, either boost only tvs that are not digital or get a better amplifier.

Hey dagwar,

I can tell you as a Charter tech that what you are experiencing happens a lot. The Radio Shack amp or even their splitters will work fine for a while and then all these digital issues crop up. So if you really need a signal booster, either boost only tvs that are not digital or get a better amplifier.
Thanks for the help! That takes a load off my mind, knowing that I've probably found the culprit.

Can you recommend a better booster? To be honest, cost isn't really an issue. I just want it to work!

Also, what splitters do you recommend?

-Dan

MoxiGuy, I know you've said this is in the works, but today was a perfect example of why we need to be able to set a recording manually.

With ESPN making late decisions on which baseball games to carry and where, the program guide was totally wrong today (Sunday). I know the EPG is not Digeo or Charter's fault; it uses Tribune Media Services, which are often wrong. Right up till game time for the Red Sox and Yankees at 1 p.m. on ESPN, the Moxi PG still showed bull riding!!! ESPN2 still had "teams TBA." (It was the same on the Web at Zap2it, which is TMS, and Yahoo TV, which uses TMS; BUT TV Guide listing on Charter analog had it correct, btw....)

I recorded my Red Sox (sorry, fellow St. Louisans!) on a DVD Recorder, so all iswell. But it was really a pain not to be able to use Moxi and the Mate today. I know, I could have programmed two hours of bull riding and whatever came after that, but I was afraid that if the EPG caught up mid-stream, I'd be screwed.
So, bring on manual recording....

Barry

Is there a way to get the guide up in the same format as the current time listings but instead for future times? In other words, right now, we can scroll through page after page of what's on in the present time slot. However, as far as I can tell, to see what comes on a half hour or hour from now, I have to click through each channel individually and read the smaller print box to the side that lists the upcoming shows for that channel only. Is there a way to get the menu to show future time listings in the same way that it shows current time listings, so that I can speed up the process of reviewing what's on later in the night (or maybe even the next day)?

Hope this Q makes sense -- it's late in Atlanta and I'm about to fall asleep at the keyboard.

Is there a way to get the guide up in the same format as the current time listings but instead for future times? In other words, right now, we can scroll through page after page of what's on in the present time slot. However, as far as I can tell, to see what comes on a half hour or hour from now, I have to click through each channel individually and read the smaller print box to the side that lists the upcoming shows for that channel only. Is there a way to get the menu to show future time listings in the same way that it shows current time listings, so that I can speed up the process of reviewing what's on later in the night (or maybe even the next day)?

Hope this Q makes sense -- it's late in Atlanta and I'm about to fall asleep at the keyboard.

What you want is a "Grid Guide" ala ReplayTV or TVGuide. Moxi Now No Can Do. Maybe version 7? If we're real nice, and ask politely! ;)

Second Moxi box installed . . . barely. So Cal Adelphia guy installs these "all the time," but has very little idea what he's doing. "Usually when I leave, the picture is distorted." So, I explained to him about the "settings" menu and having to check off the 720 and 1080 boxes. He was genuinely grateful for my explanation. Pathetic!! Program info never came on, so several hours later, I went into the menu to trigger the program download which worked right away.

One question: I watch all tv through my receiver and keep the volume on the tv set off. I programmed the Moxi remote to work with my receiver, but it only works the volume and mute on the receiver; it won't turn the power on and off (which in turn would turn the tv power on and off). Therefore, I need to use the tv's own remote for on and off. What gives? Also, Moxi Guy, any chance for a remote with buttons that light up or glow in the dark?

One question: I watch all tv through my receiver and keep the volume on the tv set off. I programmed the Moxi remote to work with my receiver, but it only works the volume and mute on the receiver; it won't turn the power on and off (which in turn would turn the tv power on and off). Therefore, I need to use the tv's own remote for on and off. What gives? Also, Moxi Guy, any chance for a remote with buttons that light up or glow in the dark?

I strongly suggest investing in a smarter remote. I have the Harmony 676 but many others will also do well.

Answer to remote question found on FAQ:

"The current remote controls can be programmed to control either your TV or your audio receiver, but not both. If you program it to control your TV, you can control power, mute, and volume. If you program it to control your receiver, you can control mute and volume only (not power).

Supposedly, there is a revised remote in development that will add the ability to control you’re your TV and your receiver, and to control power on your receiver. Although MoxiGuy originally stated that these remotes may be available as soon as Spring, 2005, it is unknown if and when they will actually be available."

Sorry, should have gone to FAQ first. Anyway, what possible reason would there be for not allowing control over power for receiver?

I guess I'll be sending my URC-200 in for super special Moxi programming.

Is there a way to get the guide up in the same format as the current time listings but instead for future times?Planned for version 4.0.

One question: I watch all tv through my receiver and keep the volume on the tv set off. I programmed the Moxi remote to work with my receiver, but it only works the volume and mute on the receiver; it won't turn the power on and off (which in turn would turn the tv power on and off). Therefore, I need to use the tv's own remote for on and off. What gives? Also, Moxi Guy, any chance for a remote with buttons that light up or glow in the dark?There is a revision to the remote in the pipeline that will let you turn power on and off for both your TV and your receiver with one push. I don't know exactly where in the pipeline it is. Cable operators will begin to get it when they run out of the current remotes. No current plans for light ups.

"Usually when I leave, the picture is distorted." Ay yi, yi. Check your paperwork. Get the installer's number. PM me. We'll try to get him properly trained up.

Dagwar,

So far I found this one at homesmart.com 7750 15DB BI-DIRECTIONAL 1GHZ AMPLIFIER, or here is a better option and it will work just as well at mjsales.net ELECTROLINE ONE PORT DROP AMPLIFIER W/PWR INSERTER. I hope that helps. I have heard of Circuit City carry the same type of amplifier, but I couldn't find it at their website.

I strongly suggest investing in a smarter remote. I have the Harmony 676 but many others will also do well.
Here's a second vote for the Harmony remotes. I have an 880 -- I had a 676 previously. They're both great.

-Dan

Dagwar,

So far I found this one at homesmart.com 7750 15DB BI-DIRECTIONAL 1GHZ AMPLIFIER, or here is a better option and it will work just as well at mjsales.net ELECTROLINE ONE PORT DROP AMPLIFIER W/PWR INSERTER. I hope that helps. I have heard of Circuit City carry the same type of amplifier, but I couldn't find it at their website.
Thanks! So are you saying you like the second one better, or are you just saying that it's cheaper?

-Dan

Here's a second vote for the Harmony remotes. I have an 880 -- I had a 676 previously. They're both great.

-Dan

I third the vote. I also have a 676 and couldn't live without it. Completely seamless integration. I love it.

Dagwar,

The second amp is better, I have seen them in customers homes, and they work well. That's the way I would go. I also second the vote on Harmony remotes, I just bought the 880 two weeks ago and I love it.

Dagwar,

The second amp is better, I have seen them in customers homes, and they work well. That's the way I would go.
Thanks. I'll order it today.

I also second the vote on Harmony remotes, I just bought the 880 two weeks ago and I love it.
Yup, it's pretty cool.

-Dan

Does anyone know what format MOXI uses for encoding video files?
Also, anyone figure out a way to access the files on the hard drive in the box so you can copy them to a PC? I want to be able transfer them to my notebook so I can watch recorded shows when I travel - and I'd rather not have to buy a separate DVR? Seems like a natural feature but I talked with MOXI support and they gave no indication that this can be done. They did say they use Linux as the internal OS.
Thanks.

Does anyone know what format MOXI uses for encoding video files?
Also, anyone figure out a way to access the files on the hard drive in the box so you can copy them to a PC? I want to be able transfer them to my notebook so I can watch recorded shows when I travel - and I'd rather not have to buy a separate DVR? Seems like a natural feature but I talked with MOXI support and they gave no indication that this can be done. They did say they use Linux as the internal OS.
Thanks.Sorry to say, it can't be done. The files have heavy encryption mojo because of DRM issues. We'd like to be able to offer some portability options in the future, but the rights issues are not worked out between the content owners, the cable operators, and us.

Okay, thanks. I thought it would be something like that.
So, is the only way to do this to buy a DVR and connect the digital out of the MOXI box? Or connect to a PC with a capture card? Anyone recommend a solution that is not prohibitive in price? The last time I looked DVRs were in the $500-$700 range with dual layer DVD burners.

My Moxi was replaced due to failure and new box has over saturated output. For example, facial flesh tones are nearly white in places. Is there a service menu to adjust saturation or output gamma compensation? Search failed to find help. Please don't tell me to call them because they would never understand.

With my TiVo I got to be pretty masterful managing commercial skipping with combinations of the 30-second skip code, the FFwd's with the auto-step back, and the 7 second replay button.

With Moxi and 3.0, it was more challenging because when using 2X or 3X FF, the unit doesn't compensate by "jumping back" a few seconds when you hit play.

3.2 addressed this by adding the "jump back" feature when using the FF's. I have had some difficulty with this, however, watching HD recordings. The amount of time skipped backwards does not appear to be the same in HD. When this happens, my wife berates me and my remote skills (something every man should understand is unacceptable :mad: ).

Here's my theory about the "bug." I'm hoping someone can confirm or deny:

The auto jump back is a function not of time, but of data. Since more data is being transmitted in an HD signal, the jump back corresponds to a fewer number of seconds backwards. This might also explain why the problem is different on different channels (e.g. 1080i vs. 720p).

Am I assessing this correctly, or is my wife right that I'm losing my remote mojo (coincidentally only on HD programming)?

Re: remotes
I understood that the Moxi remote couldn't work both the tv and the receiver (though why I don't know). But as long as I programmed it to work the receiver (and not the tv), I can't imagine why it would work the volume and mute but not the receiver power. If it worked the receiver power, I would simply plug the tv into the "switched" plug on the receiver which would cause the tv to power on whenever the receiver comes on. That would make life fairly simple. And wifey would then be happy simply using the same Moxi remote in the den as in the bedroom. But it looks like that won't happen. I knew you Harmony guys would weigh in. It seems to me that the Harmony is a great remote. First, it's easier to program than the URC-200. Second, you don't have to mail it into the manufacturer to get the Moxi functions (which they don't put on the ideal keys). But the one huge benefit of the URC is the RF extender control; i.e., you don't have to point the remote at the equipment, which is sometimes at an awkward angle when I'm lying down and my giant clown feet are in the way. Also, the RF extender enables the remote to work outside, so when I'm listening to music in the yard, I can control all the equipment without going inside.

Planned for version 4.0.

Whatever you do, don't get rid of the live tv box in the upper right hand corner when you are selecting various menu items. :) JoeSparkle

Whatever you do, don't get rid of the live tv box in the upper right hand corner when you are selecting various menu items. :) JoeSparkle
Actually, I don't agree with you, so perhaps it should be optional. The reason I don't like it is when you're watching a sporting event delayed, but it is still recording, if you press Stop it takes you to the menu and shows you the "live" picture from the sporting event. It's way too easy to accidentally find out the score.

So I'd at least like to be able to disable the tv box under these circumstances. I'm getting tired of having to avert my eyes while saying "la la la la I don't hear you" until I manage to get tuned to something else.

-Dan

Am I assessing this correctly, or is my wife right that I'm losing my remote mojo (coincidentally only on HD programming)?
Never admit that! You might end up having to relinquish control of the remote, then all civilization as we know it will cease to exist! :eek:

By the way, how come you're not using the Moxi's 30-second forward skip and 7-second back skip? Doesn't yours have this option? I think I read somewhere that the feature is up to the cable company to enable, but I hadn't heard of anyone that didn't have it. Life would truly suck without that feature!

-Dan

PS: If it's not enabled, I wonder if the descrete remote commands would still work, if you got something like a Harmony remote that already knows the commands? I guess this is a question for MoxiGuy.

By the way, how come you're not using the Moxi's 30-second forward skip and 7-second back skip? Doesn't yours have this option? I think I read somewhere that the feature is up to the cable company to enable, but I hadn't heard of anyone that didn't have it. Life would truly suck without that feature!

Most cable companies have DISABLED that feature (UGH!!!) I have Charter and grew to rely on the 30 second skip. Then VERY soon after rolling out Moxi, Charter "upgraded" us with a "new feature" of a 15 MINUTE forward skip -- replacing the 30sec one. So now we have a 15min skip instead :(

You know, so we won't miss any of those all-important commercials the customer... err, consumer love so much (yes, the cable company views us as consumers, not as customers. You actually CARE about customers. consumers just improve your bottom line.)


PS: If it's not enabled, I wonder if the descrete remote commands would still work, if you got something like a Harmony remote that already knows the commands? I guess this is a question for MoxiGuy.

There is no more discrete command. Or, more specifically, the remote sends a "skip" command and the Moxi software receives the command and performs the skip function. That skip function jumps the cableco-specified time forward. For charter it's 15 minutes forward.

There is no more discrete command. Or, more specifically, the remote sends a "skip" command and the Moxi software receives the command and performs the skip function. That skip function jumps the cableco-specified time forward. For charter it's 15 minutes forward.
Well that sucks! I know when we got 3.2, we supposedly got this 15 minute skip feature (I haven't tried it), but they kept the 30-second skip, thank God!

-Dan

dagware,

You have two different skips. The skip button is the 30-second skip. (unless the cable company redefines it). The next button is 15 minutes.

Okay, thanks. I thought it would be something like that.
So, is the only way to do this to buy a DVR and connect the digital out of the MOXI box? Or connect to a PC with a capture card? Anyone recommend a solution that is not prohibitive in price? The last time I looked DVRs were in the $500-$700 range with dual layer DVD burners.
I use a ReplayTV to acomplish this. It's fairly easy if you're a techie. Lots of freeware software and that Ethernet port on the back ain't locked. The units are pretty cheap (after MIR) and the lifetime fee is $300. Get the chespest one you can and pop the HDD out for a biggie. Go to the ReplayTV AVS forum for all the poop(li).
TiVo does something like this, but DRM is there too.

MoxiGuy...why do you let the cable companies redefine the skip ahead button?? We pay enough per month that we should be able to define the button for ourselves.

Pardon me ahead of time in case this has been covered, but here's my chief compliant with the recording design:

I have a couple hours of HD recorded, waiting to be watched in the next few days. Sometime next week there's a movie I'm about to schedule. When I select it, I'm presented with a message warning me that there may not be enough space to record it and something will have to be deleted now. But I'm going to delete plenty of hours between now and next week's scheduled recording. Why do I have to blow off programming now to accomodate something in the future? Why doesn't it just delete space at the time of recording by whatever prioritization is in effect.

Someting I've missed? A hard drive upgrade perhaps? ;)

Pardon me ahead of time in case this has been covered, but here's my chief compliant with the recording design:

I have a couple hours of HD recorded, waiting to be watched in the next few days. Sometime next week there's a movie I'm about to schedule. When I select it, I'm presented with a message warning me that there may not be enough space to record it and something will have to be deleted now. But I'm going to delete plenty of hours between now and next week's scheduled recording. Why do I have to blow off programming now to accomodate something in the future? Why doesn't it just delete space at the time of recording by whatever prioritization is in effect.

Someting I've missed? A hard drive upgrade perhaps? ;) We have to do something about rewording that note!. Nothing is deleted now. The scheduling program actually behaves the way you describe. But the way the note is phrased scares the bejeezus out of people. The note doesn't say anything will be deleted, "now." But it sure gives a lot of people that impression. It doesn't say anything about when the deletion will take place. Maybe we need to make it wordier and supply more details?

You're right, Moxiguy. The wording IS confusing (even though I've read the explanation of actual behavior on here many times)! It doesn't show up as much for me since I don't record a lot of HD, but more detail may be the answer.

As for the previous poster who was worried about having to admit he was losing his remote mojo, ADMIT NOTHING. As stated before, the stability of civilization depends on your unwavering insistence that you are not wrong! If you don't believe me, watch "The Butterfly Effect" 4 times and report back with your findings.

Actually, I don't agree with you, so perhaps it should be optional. The reason I don't like it is when you're watching a sporting event delayed, but it is still recording, if you press Stop it takes you to the menu and shows you the "live" picture from the sporting event. It's way too easy to accidentally find out the score.

So I'd at least like to be able to disable the tv box under these circumstances. I'm getting tired of having to avert my eyes while saying "la la la la I don't hear you" until I manage to get tuned to something else.

-Dan

I agree regarding spoirting events. However, you can pause the live TV box after a few seconds to prevent hearing the score. You'll still have to use your right hand to block yourself from seeing the score while operating your remote with your left hand. :)

Pardon me if this has already been covered, but this thread is huge and I didn't find it.

How does the Moxi know which shows are repeats and which are not? I understand some shows are marked as repeats in the program guide and that is pretty simple, but I have also read that Moxi looks at things like episode numbers or show descriptions to determine whether a show is a repeat. Does this mean for syndicated shows, like This Old House Classics for example, it won't re-record the same show within some period of time. Obviously, the Moxi will not be prevented from *ever* re-recording the same syndicated episode of This Old House Classics again. So is there a time limit on shows Moxi identifies as repeats from the program description?

Also, some shows have the same episode description even though they are different episodes, like 2005 World Series of Poker. I see some of these episodes on my Cancelled and Deleted and the reason is "repeat", but it doesn't tell me if the guide data identified it as a repeat or if Moxi did from show description or something.

Any thoughts?

MoxiGuy...why do you let the cable companies redefine the skip ahead button?? We pay enough per month that we should be able to define the button for ourselves.Well, Digeo is (or at least was) chaired by Paul Allen and got quite a bit of their funding from Allen and from Charter (which Allen also has a massive stake in). I think I read that Time Warner and EchoStar (Dish Network) also have some money in the company. So, naturally, these companies are going to do what's in their best financial interest, and letting their end users skip over the ad space they sell isn't it.

"Usually when I leave, the picture is distorted."
Ay yi, yi. Check your paperwork. Get the installer's number. PM me. We'll try to get him properly trained up.
Jeez MoxiGuy, this is a surprise? Every tech that's been to my place has been like that and in fact, everyone that I know with a Moxi has had a very similar experience! I just always set my expectations really low when dealing with 'the cable company' so that I'm not too cheezed when things go awry.

Adelphia - increasing customer satisfaction by lowering expectations.

Didn't say it was a surprise. Just said we'd like to help these guys get better training.

Didn't say it was a surprise. Just said we'd like to help these guys get better training.
And I think MrDork was saying that you're in for a lot of work!!

-Dan

I strongly suggest investing in a smarter remote. I have the Harmony 676 but many others will also do well.

So the Harmony 676 will control the Moxi? Are there any cheaper options? Thanks...

And while we're at it...Can some one train NBC to properly label middle of the night reruns, as REPEAT! Ay yai yai ;) I now have 3 HD shows that repeat and the Moxi captures. If I set my coverage to 2 episodes I'll add 3.5 hours to the capacity and bump other shows! Jay, Conan, and SNL all fall into this catagory, for me anyway. Is it a KNBC thing or is it a Network thing? :confused:

So the Harmony 676 will control the Moxi? Are there any cheaper options? Thanks...
Yes and I don't know.

So the Harmony 676 will control the Moxi? Are there any cheaper options? Thanks...

The One-For-All Chameleon controls the Moxi too. It's that blue faced remote. It's definetely a step down from the Harmony's but also carries a much smaller price tag.

Yes and I don't know.
Does it handle the "turbo" mode on some of the Moxi buttons?

Thanks

Does it handle the "turbo" mode on some of the Moxi buttons?

Thanks
Yes. I do have to say, though, that the Moxi is a little quicker when using the original remote. I've decided the benefits outway this, but YMMV.

If you go to www.logitech.com and then follow the link under "Products" to "Harmony Remote Controls", it will give you an overview of their remotes. They're quite different than other remotes, and IMO, the difference is fantastic.

-Dan

Yes. I do have to say, though, that the Moxi is a little quicker when using the original remote. I've decided the benefits outway this, but YMMV.

If you go to www.logitech.com and then follow the link under "Products" to "Harmony Remote Controls", it will give you an overview of their remotes. They're quite different than other remotes, and IMO, the difference is fantastic.

-Dan

I totally agree! On all counts. IMHO the "Turbo mode" is a workaround for a very poorly designed interface. (Sorry MG, but what else?)

I totally agree! On all counts. IMHO the "Turbo mode" is a workaround for a very poorly designed interface. (Sorry MG, but what else?)No Prob. Customer is always right. But factually, that's not the case. We started with Turbo Mode because we thought other U-I's were rather pokey.

except... are we REALLY your customer?? I would say the cable companies are your customers and we are merely the consumers (see my previous rant).

That's the reason the 30s skip disappeared.
That's the reason DVI is not working / crippled.
That's the reason for the small hard drives (and we can't replace it with larger ones)
That's the reason the USB ports are disabled.
That's the reason we cannot connect external drives.
That's the reason the ethernet port is disabled.

In other words, the things that would make the box nice for us are not there -- because we (the users) aren't the people buying the boxes. The people buying the boxes are the cable companies. AND THEY DON'T WANT THOSE FEATURES. That would reduce the level of control they have.

except... are we REALLY your customer?? I would say the cable companies are your customers and we are merely the consumers (see my previous rant).

That's the reason the 30s skip disappeared.
That's the reason DVI is not working / crippled.
That's the reason for the small hard drives (and we can't replace it with larger ones)
That's the reason the USB ports are disabled.
That's the reason we cannot connect external drives.
That's the reason the ethernet port is disabled.

In other words, the things that would make the box nice for us are not there -- because we (the users) aren't the people buying the boxes. The people buying the boxes are the cable companies. AND THEY DON'T WANT THOSE FEATURES. That would reduce the level of control they have.

I nominate this as the post of the day....I couldn't agree more...

I totally agree! On all counts. IMHO the "Turbo mode" is a workaround for a very poorly designed interface. (Sorry MG, but what else?)

Forgive me, if I should know about this, but what is Turbo Mode on the Moxi? Is that part of 3.2? The interface is as slow as it's ever been for me and I am using a Logitech Harmony 676 myself, so I know that it's a bit sluggish, sometimes annoying.

Forgive me, if I should know about this, but what is Turbo Mode on the Moxi? Is that part of 3.2? The interface is as slow as it's ever been for me and I am using a Logitech Harmony 676 myself, so I know that it's a bit sluggish, sometimes annoying.
An example of "Turbo Mode" is when you're on the Channels menu, and you hold down the up or down arrow. It scrolls through the items faster that way.

-Dan

An example of "Turbo Mode" is when you're on the Channels menu, and you hold down the up or down arrow. It scrolls through the items faster that way.

-Dan

Ahh, ok. That seems to fit for what it's for. I hate when I click on a particular show and the next menu to view takes like 5-10 seconds to come up. It has always been like that, sometimes faster and slower.

I nominate this as the post of the day....I couldn't agree more...

I second that!

Ahh, ok. That seems to fit for what it's for. I hate when I click on a particular show and the next menu to view takes like 5-10 seconds to come up. It has always been like that, sometimes faster and slower.
Some things work faster with the regular remote, compared to the Harmony. Horizontal scrolling between menu items, for instance. I'm not sure why. I've messed with the Harmony's timing settings but I can't seem to fix this.

I'm not giving up the Harmony just because of this, but it's interesting to see the speed difference.

-Dan

No Prob. Customer is always right. But factually, that's not the case. We started with Turbo Mode because we thought other U-I's were rather pokey.

Have you ever used a ReplayTV long term? It was certainly a work in progress when I first got one, but over time they really got it right (updates). Too bad it's a failing company, but that's not the point. The guide's interface is a gem. It's comprehensive and easy to manuver. Lots of quick steps that get you to the right place quickly, and the ability to see many channels at once. If the Moxi was just a fraction of this ability I'd be more patient. It's just seems like it's not enven on the same page (sigh). I really wish I wasn't "right" but I really fear I am, BUT there's no other choice right now, so I live.
The first company to produce a reasonably priced CableCard driven DVR will win big time. Sony is close, but one tuner and $1000 is not there. Technology just isn't that expensive now, it's just greed. They want the early adaptors to give them low sales at big margins. The first on to realize there's a huge market out there will score big.
Not everyone wants or needs a satillite system, it's all there for the taking.

Forgive me, if I should know about this, but what is Turbo Mode on the Moxi? Is that part of 3.2? The interface is as slow as it's ever been for me and I am using a Logitech Harmony 676 myself, so I know that it's a bit sluggish, sometimes annoying.

Turbo mode is when you hold down a directional and it starts to scroll fast. Yeah fast! Then it stops and lunges and spurts. Just like a real turbo, it has lag!

Have you ever used a ReplayTV long term? ... Lots of quick steps that get you to the right place quickly, and the ability to see many channels at once... The first company to produce a reasonably priced CableCard driven DVR will win big time. No, I haven't spent quality time withe ReplayTV, but I'm well aware that it has an avid fan base and that, freed from the need to follow Cable company requirements, they did a lot of user-friendly stuff. Most analysts today agree that the future of DVRs will be those provided by either satellite or cable companies. For mass market, the installation, care and feeding of the stand-alones has proven a bit much. A multi-tuner DVR will require a MultiStream CableCARD (M-Card). You won't see what you're looking for until M-CARD is ready. As for seeing multiple channels at once, here's a preview of what we're planning for version 4.0. (This is unreleased software, subject to change. I'll answer no "when..." questions.) When you're in the menu, you can use next and back to move by 30-minute segments. All the categories shift. (e.g. movies at 8:00, movies at 9:00). You can use skip and replay to jump by 24-hours. (e.g. sports on Saturday)

Have you ever used a ReplayTV long term? It was certainly a work in progress when I first got one, but over time they really got it right (updates). Too bad it's a failing company, but that's not the point. The guide's interface is a gem. It's comprehensive and easy to manuver. Lots of quick steps that get you to the right place quickly, and the ability to see many channels at once. If the Moxi was just a fraction of this ability I'd be more patient. It's just seems like it's not enven on the same page (sigh). I really wish I wasn't "right" but I really fear I am, BUT there's no other choice right now, so I live.
I couldn't agree with you more! I have one of the older ReplayTVs (it's a ShowStopper) and I love it. It has a few minor quirks, but it beats the Moxi interface hands down!

-Dan

I've been following these forums for quite a while, and got lots of good info. I thought I'd finally ask a question that I don't remember seeing. I've had several HD shows recorded that when I played back had no sound with them. Two new shows on NBC last night both had the problem. I've never had a problem with sound on live TV though. Does this sound like a signal problem, or just a hardware failure. Its really pretty rare, although it happened twice in one night yesterday, so I'm getting concerned. My box got the upgrade to 3.2 which has been nice at least for the native pass through, but doesn't seem to have affected this problem. Anyone else experiencing this?

MoxiGuy -

Your picture's nice, but it's really no more than a stop-gap. Here's the real solution!

-Dan

I've been following these forums for quite a while, and got lots of good info. I thought I'd finally ask a question that I don't remember seeing. I've had several HD shows recorded that when I played back had no sound with them. Two new shows on NBC last night both had the problem. I've never had a problem with sound on live TV though. Does this sound like a signal problem, or just a hardware failure. Its really pretty rare, although it happened twice in one night yesterday, so I'm getting concerned. My box got the upgrade to 3.2 which has been nice at least for the native pass through, but doesn't seem to have affected this problem. Anyone else experiencing this?

Yeah this happened to my West Wing on Sunday -- All there just no sound AT ALL!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah this happened to my West Wing on Sunday -- All there just no sound AT ALL!!!!!!!!!!

This happened to me on two shows that weren't HD (I was recording the SD feed to save disk space on non-important shows): Apprentice - Martha and E-Ring. Funny thing is that my other 9012 that my mom uses recorded Apprentice - Martha perfectly fine. She does not record E-Ring.

Mark

No Prob. Customer is always right.

If the customer is always right, then give us the grid style menu that we all seem to want.

the customer IS always right. Unfortunately, we aren't the customer. sorry.

Yeah this happened to my West Wing on Sunday -- All there just no sound AT ALL!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah. Glad I've still got the TiVo backup. On ER from last week we watched minutes 1-18 on Moxi in HD, 18-32 on TiVo in SD because there was no picture (but there was sound...) on Moxi, and then 32-end on Moxi.

The week before, the entire NBC feed was dead. In my case I'm pretty sure it is an issue with Charter and NBC rather than the Moxi box.

The problem I seem to get much more frequently, though, is several seconds of silence on HD recorded shows. Doesn't seem to ever happen in SD.

Also, on NBC HD shows, when fast forwarding the picture gets *REALLY* weird. Don't even know how to describe it other than pixelated and static-y at the same time.

Anybody else seeing this? I'm on Charter in Midland, MI.

I am in agreement with many of the comments made about whom is the customer. Like my wife said to some friends Friday night:

"The TiVo is better in just about every way. The only real advantage is that we can record two channels."

I would add two other *big* factors for me:
1. It is dirt cheap compared to just about every other HD solution.
2. Did I mention that it is HD?

Nevertheless, once I'm convinced that there's a good HD/DVR/PricePoint combination from the satellites, I'm pretty sure I'll end up going that way. This is why we should have all been up in arms about the anti-trust ruling regarding Dish and DirecTV.

The argument was that the merger would have given them a monopoly in Satellite. I think this is just a terrible argument. The merger, if it had been allowed to go forward, would have created a much better competitor to cable companies, and we would be in less of a bind when it comes to having to accept the monopoly control that our local cable companies have over us.

The reality is that the cable companies are doing most of the right things (for themsleves and/or their shareholders) given the practical monopoly power that they have.

The right combination of: 1) Lots of HD content, 2) a great DVR, and 3) a practical price point is out there. If one of the satellite companies gets it right, it will be a whole new ball game.

Here's my theory about the "bug." I'm hoping someone can confirm or deny:

The auto jump back is a function not of time, but of data. Since more data is being transmitted in an HD signal, the jump back corresponds to a fewer number of seconds backwards. This might also explain why the problem is different on different channels (e.g. 1080i vs. 720p).


So nobody really responded to the meat of this post (which was admittedly obscured by other stuff).

Has anyone else had the same experience? Does anyone have a different theory?

And for the record, yes, I have Charter, and yes the 30-second skip has been removed.

So nobody really responded to the meat of this post (which was admittedly obscured by other stuff).

Has anyone else had the same experience? Does anyone have a different theory?

And for the record, yes, I have Charter, and yes the 30-second skip has been removed.
Since I have the 30-second skip, I don't use the FF enough to notice the difrerence. But what you say sounds entirely reasonable. Being a programmer, I could imagine them doing just what you said -- it would be wrong, bit I could imagine them doing it!

Regarding the recording issues, I still have my ReplayTV and I record everything on both, just in case. Just last Sunday I watched part of the West Wing on the ReplayTV (in SD) and part of it on the Moxi (in HD), but this was due to my removing the signal booster in the middle of the show and discovering it solved the HD problems I was having. Still, it's nice to have the ReplayTV as a backup.

Finally, regarding us not being the customers, and the issues with the satellite merger, you are dead-on. If the merger had gone through, I would dump Adelphia in a flash. I may still do it, if I get frustrated enough.

I'm still toying with the idea of rolling my own DVR. The vast, vast majority of stuff I record, even the HD stuff, would not require a cable card. In fact, the only things I record that would require a cable card are some things on the Golf Channel (because it's digital and not part of basic cable on our system), and ESPN-HD which isn't a whole lot of stuff. The rest of the HD stuff is the standard channels which are available without a cable card. The DIY HD DVRs aren't quite up to speed yet, but when they are, I may go there.

-Dan

No, I haven't spent quality time withe ReplayTV, but I'm well aware that it has an avid fan base and that, freed from the need to follow Cable company requirements, they did a lot of user-friendly stuff. Most analysts today agree that the future of DVRs will be those provided by either satellite or cable companies. For mass market, the installation, care and feeding of the stand-alones has proven a bit much. A multi-tuner DVR will require a MultiStream CableCARD (M-Card). You won't see what you're looking for until M-CARD is ready. As for seeing multiple channels at once, here's a preview of what we're planning for version 4.0. (This is unreleased software, subject to change. I'll answer no "when..." questions.) When you're in the menu, you can use next and back to move by 30-minute segments. All the categories shift. (e.g. movies at 8:00, movies at 9:00). You can use skip and replay to jump by 24-hours. (e.g. sports on Saturday)

If I'm understanding the picture, sorry that's awful, pull the plug and start again, sorry. Give that tech we've talked about a jug of Maker's Mark and a free ReplayTV and tell him to get to work. It'll take about the same time as getting that picture to work reliably.
All I can say about "when" is ...
When the Moon hits your eye like a big pizza pie,,,it's aMoxi! :eek:

Since I have the 30-second skip, I don't use the FF enough to notice the difrerence. But what you say sounds entirely reasonable. Being a programmer, I could imagine them doing just what you said -- it would be wrong, bit I could imagine them doing it!

Regarding the recording issues, I still have my ReplayTV and I record everything on both, just in case. Just last Sunday I watched part of the West Wing on the ReplayTV (in SD) and part of it on the Moxi (in HD), but this was due to my removing the signal booster in the middle of the show and discovering it solved the HD problems I was having. Still, it's nice to have the ReplayTV as a backup.

Finally, regarding us not being the customers, and the issues with the satellite merger, you are dead-on. If the merger had gone through, I would dump Adelphia in a flash. I may still do it, if I get frustrated enough.

I'm still toying with the idea of rolling my own DVR. The vast, vast majority of stuff I record, even the HD stuff, would not require a cable card. In fact, the only things I record that would require a cable card are some things on the Golf Channel (because it's digital and not part of basic cable on our system), and ESPN-HD which isn't a whole lot of stuff. The rest of the HD stuff is the standard channels which are available without a cable card. The DIY HD DVRs aren't quite up to speed yet, but when they are, I may go there.

-Dan

I too use my ReplayTVs to back up everything I record on the Moxi. It came in handy when I recorded the pilot of Commander in Chief, the first 10 minutes of that show was a pixelated mess, "Only on Moxi!" Sounds like a slogan to me! ;)

No, I haven't spent quality time withe ReplayTV, but I'm well aware that it has an avid fan base and that, freed from the need to follow Cable company requirements, they did a lot of user-friendly stuff. Most analysts today agree that the future of DVRs will be those provided by either satellite or cable companies. For mass market, the installation, care and feeding of the stand-alones has proven a bit much. A multi-tuner DVR will require a MultiStream CableCARD (M-Card). You won't see what you're looking for until M-CARD is ready. As for seeing multiple channels at once, here's a preview of what we're planning for version 4.0. (This is unreleased software, subject to change. I'll answer no "when..." questions.) When you're in the menu, you can use next and back to move by 30-minute segments. All the categories shift. (e.g. movies at 8:00, movies at 9:00). You can use skip and replay to jump by 24-hours. (e.g. sports on Saturday)

Us here in BendCable land are ready--Bring on the Samsung and the 4.0!!

hopefully this isn't received too negatively...I was a user and fan of the Moxi for over a year,...but over time, the box seemed to get SLOWER & SLOWER...I had picture issues when watchign in 1080i on my hd set...(I had two moxis and they both had the same problem)...and I just got increasingly frustrated with the box freezing up, rebooting, losing recordings every once in a while,...

so I switched to Directv, they had a deal going on their HD DVR ($199 after rebate)...and its just great...its nice to finally have grid style availibility again...I have no image issues...the box is incredibly responsive...

but there are some moxi things I miss...I definitely miss the flipper bar, the directv DVR doesn't have this....

I also miss being able to do just about anything on the moxi in the menu and still have the picture still up on the tv...on the directv dvr, when you set up a season pass, you lose picture and sound...

but above all, i love the 250GB drive on my new DVR, I can record 25 hours of HD, not to mention I can add a second drive to the system with relative ease and almost triple that amount of time...

if you're frustrated with the moxi, and satellite is an option, I highly recommend it...there are advantages and disadvantages to both, but for the timebeing, I'm very happy I switched...

I returned my moxi and cancelled my cable subscription yesterday as well.
Had the directv hd-dvr installed over the weekend. The familiar Tivo interface and additional (and expandable) recording times were the big factors.
I was worried picture quality would be compromised, but at this point I don't see a huge difference.
On top of all that, to do a comparable subscription on Cable verses DTV, cable would cost $10-15 more.

monthly costs with adelphia got really high for me as well....so I appreciate the cheaper prices...

in terms of high definition quality, I heard alot of people really coming down hard on diretv, I've noticed some degradation on mostly abchd, but the other channels seem just fine...hdnet is amazing, don't always like the programming, but the quality is much better than any HD channel I've seen before...

and the digital channels reminds me how bad adelphia's analog is...

I'm still toying with the idea of rolling my own DVR. The vast, vast majority of stuff I record, even the HD stuff, would not require a cable card. In fact, the only things I record that would require a cable card are some things on the Golf Channel (because it's digital and not part of basic cable on our system), and ESPN-HD which isn't a whole lot of stuff. The rest of the HD stuff is the standard channels which are available without a cable card. The DIY HD DVRs aren't quite up to speed yet, but when they are, I may go there.


I have a friend that has (too much time on his hands and) several networked PCs with big hard drives that he uses to create a multi-tuner, HD, Linux-based DVR solution that works for him.

I have enough "geek" in me to think that this is a pretty good solution, but enough "married-father-of-three" in me to recognize that this isn't a viable solution.

The TiVo (and/or ReplayTV) units were designed to be user-friendly from the outset. This is why there are so many loyalists. Then again, those services have to differentiate themselves and show value added beyond what the cable company provides.

I'll tell you this: If there were a two-tuner, HD TiVo at a reasonable cost, I'd dump the Moxi, just because the TiVo is so user friendly. If you can get a PC based system to meet your performance/user-friendliness objectives, then I say, "Go for it!"

I'll tell you this: If there were a two-tuner, HD TiVo at a reasonable cost, I'd dump the Moxi, just because the TiVo is so user friendly. If you can get a PC based system to meet your performance/user-friendliness objectives, then I say, "Go for it!"

I got my Directv Dual Tuner HD DVR w/ 250GB hard drive for $199 after rebate...the key is to sign up for directv, and the second they activate you, you call in to customer retention and ask for the $199 deal...it requires a 2 year commitment, but it is very much worth it...that is another reason I left adelphia, knowing I was getting a better box, with a minimal investment...

I got my Directv Dual Tuner HD DVR w/ 250GB hard drive for $199 after rebate...the key is to sign up for directv, and the second they activate you, you call in to customer retention and ask for the $199 deal...it requires a 2 year commitment, but it is very much worth it...that is another reason I left adelphia, knowing I was getting a better box, with a minimal investment...
I'd like to ask for more information, but we really shouldn't be talking about it in this thread. If one of you that has just gotten DirecTV feels like starting another thread that focuses on what you get vs. what you had with Adelphia or whatever cable company you had, I'll read it. :) Just post the link!

-Dan

so I switched to Directv, they had a deal going on their HD DVR ($199 after rebate)...and its just great...its nice to finally have grid style availibility again...I have no image issues...the box is incredibly responsive...

WAAAAAAIT a minute. How the heck did you get them to give you the 199 deal? I called twice and they said it was for existing customers only. Let us know how and, sorry Moxi/Adelphia SoCal, I'm gone to DirecTV.

EDIT: Oh whoops, posted this before I saw the other responses. Here's a question though: Does "activation" mean they come out and install and THEN you have to have them come out all over again to install the HD-TiVo?

...I'm well aware that it has an avid fan base and that, freed from the need to follow Cable company requirements, they did a lot of user-friendly stuff.

Now there is a telling remark. Ultimately, "freed from the need to follow Cable company requirements" companies like Tivo (more likely Microsoft) will kill off proprietary Cable STB vendors. Yes, there are short term impediments, but even today I would not mind plugging two cable cards into my Media Center PC. Ultimately the "DVR Service" will be free.

Keep your resume up to date, MoxiGuy.

you can PM me directly with any questions about acquiring directv service,...don't want to turn this thread into something different...just wanted to provide a bit of a comparison of the two dvr's since I've now used both...

Re" grid that we all seem to want":

I like Moxi's channel and program listing and prefer it to the "grid."

LesMoss... as long as the time-frame is "ultimately," I think we'll be all right. We're just getting started. I can't tell you how helpful it is to hear everything you don't like about Moxi and what you prefer about other systems.
markt170--I agree with you.

and the digital channels reminds me how bad adelphia's analog is...
They be working on offering every channel in the digital format as we speak. :)

I can't tell you how helpful it is to hear everything you don't like about Moxi
Impotent recording capacity; the other stuff doesn't bother me that much.

I like Moxi's channel and program listing and prefer it to the "grid."
and
markt170--I agree with you.
Seriously? What could possibly be better about it?

-Dan

So far I found this one at homesmart.com 7750 15DB BI-DIRECTIONAL 1GHZ AMPLIFIER, or here is a better option and it will work just as well at mjsales.net ELECTROLINE ONE PORT DROP AMPLIFIER W/PWR INSERTER. I hope that helps. I have heard of Circuit City carry the same type of amplifier, but I couldn't find it at their website.
So, I just received the drop amplifier from mjsales.net. It has the exact same problem that the Radio Shack one had -- the HD channels are basically unwatchable.

I really don't understand this. It worked fine before 3.2. I *swear* they must have changed something.

I've got two things left I can think of. The first is to try to eliminate the need for the booster in the first place. When I have the energy to do this, I'll eliminate all the splitters and extra wires and filters I have and see if this helps. If it does, perhaps I need better quality cables or splitters (although I think everything's pretty good, you never know).

If that doesn't work, I'll have to boost the signals to my TV tuner and ReplayTV after the split to the Moxi, and just suffer with poor SD reception on the Moxi. Truthfully, only a few SD channels look bad on the Moxi.

Sigh. I hate having to go back through all the cables and stuff. Just when you get everything how you want it, something else comes along to remind you that entropy rules the world! :mad:

-Dan

This is the 8 way Amp I use. Linky (http://www.cybergiftcenter.com/applications/search/itemdetails.asp?oid=21&sku=CC-CVT28PIAII&mpn=CVT-2/8PIAII) and find it works fairly well. I have A LOT of splits and this helps. When my building was originally roped they saw fit to only put one drop in the livingroom.

So, I just received the drop amplifier from mjsales.net. It has the exact same problem that the Radio Shack one had -- the HD channels are basically unwatchable.
:mad:

Dang it dagware….walk this way as it may save you time and money.
You see the Moxi has an optimal signal strength zone. Kinda like the homemade tomato sauce that my momma used to make. Too little basil, not good. Too much basil, REALLY not good.

Call up the big “A” (and I’m not talkin bout that ballpark off the 57).

Put it on speaker phone and sit down, have yourself a beer and sandwich. You should be safe to ignore the phone until after about the first 3 innings or so of the Angeles game.

When the CSR finally picks up, tell them that you have a signal problem with the cable to your Moxi and you are very tempted to switch to satellite if they don’t fix this problem. Tell em to make sure the tech that comes out in the funky white van brings both a street amp and a bi-directional amp with an active return for the side of your house (just in case you need either) because you only want to take one full day off from work rather than two.

Assigned tech should come out and hook up his special super duper meter to all relevant places from the street to your Moxi and determine exactly how much basil you really need.

And you may not even get charged for a service call.

In addition, since you may live in a vintage abode that still has RG59? cable that has been eaten to the bone by those ferocious man-eater ducks from the Tri-City pond who have made midnight search and destroy missions across Kraemer to munch on your old cable when they’re bored from mating all the time……if indeed that be the case, I suggest you have RG6 cable installed. Kinda like adding some quality red wine to the sauce.

Please don’t ask me any technical questions like specs and stuff….other than the height of the meanest duck in Tri-City :eek: – as this is the limit of my knowledge on this subject.

Dagwar,

I wish I knew what db you were hitting your box with. If it is tiling with that new amp then you could possible be hitting it with too much signal. I was at an apartment today that signal was hitting the box with 15 db on the low end and 13 db on the high end and Discovery was tiling heavly when I got there. I kicked the signal down by 10 db and the tiling went away. Maybe this is what's happening with you. To bad you don't live near Madison, WI and I could just come out and fix your issues.

and

Seriously? What could possibly be better about it?

-Dan


Most of the time, I want to know what's on now or in the very near future, channel by channel. The Moxi guide gives you that on one screen, with the option to move to the right and scroll through the whole day or a few days on the one channel. I can't really come up with a point by point comparison of Moxi vs. Grid. I just find that Moxi is very easy to use, easy to see, and contains exactly the level of info that I want in a program guide. My only comparison is the guide that I had on the Motorola cable box that was grid style, which I did not like. I have not had Reply or Tivo, so I can't compare them to Moxi. I spoke up mostly because I don't think it's accurate to say that "everybody" wants Moxi to change the style.

I have two digital cableboxes: my moxi box and a motorola dct2740 cablebox (non-dvr). The dct has a standard grid guide, with one neat feature I would like to see added to moxi's guide: The shows are color-coded. Movies are listed in red, kids shows are orange, sports are green, etc.

It makes it really easy to pick out certain shows when scanning through all channels.

Has anyone in the Los Feliz Area received the 3.2 upgrade? I'm with the dreaded Adelphia based in Eagle Rock.

I was confused by one post mentioning that the letterbox and widescreen buttons are not available in 3.2. I have a 4x3 capable of HDTV. Checking the letterbox puts the 16x9 HD content in the correct aspect ratio rather than stretching it out to fill the 4x3.

Is it correct to assume that the 16x9 content will still display correctly. Or will it try to fill the 4x3?

LesMoss... as long as the time-frame is "ultimately," I think we'll be all right. We're just getting started. I can't tell you how helpful it is to hear everything you don't like about Moxi and what you prefer about other systems.
markt170--I agree with you.

Its been over 1 year (post #44 in this thread) (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=412846&pp=44%highlight=kelliot) since I complained to MG about "no grid guide" and "lack of HD space". Maybe he is finally getting the message.

BTW, I have two ReplayTV 50XXs in addition to the Moxi. The main problem with the ReplayTVs is no HD and no Cablecard.

Of course, we can always thank Hollywood for the curse of DRM and the attached lawyer vampire horde. Actually, I'd save money if I could rent at Blockbuster rates and download HDTV VOD. Of course, Adelphai has been promising this for the last year.

I have two digital cableboxes: my moxi box and a motorola dct2740 cablebox (non-dvr). The dct has a standard grid guide, with one neat feature I would like to see added to moxi's guide: The shows are color-coded. Movies are listed in red, kids shows are orange, sports are green, etc.

It makes it really easy to pick out certain shows when scanning through all channels.

The Moxi menu offers this.... if you bring up the menu, you can scroll thru the selections and choose listings for movies, sports, kids, news, and music, in addition to HD selections

I posted yesterday about the sound being missing in random shows I recorded. Well I got a few more clues that maybe MoxiGuy can help with. Tonight i was recording two HD shows and playing back another HD show. About 50 minutes into the show I was watching the audio dropped out. I was using the 30 second skip button to fast forward through the commercials and when I stopped the audio was gone. I rewound back to where I had heard audio and it was still gone. I stopped the playback and went back to live tv, no sound there either. At this point I wanted to change the channel, but already had two shows recording. I restarted the show I was watching, but the sound was still missing. Finally I stopped and started another saved show, and the sound returned. When I stopped that the live tv sound had returned too.

I'm getting a little worried about recording important shows now. Anyone have a suggestion?

Has anyone in the Los Feliz Area received the 3.2 upgrade? I'm with the dreaded Adelphia based in Eagle Rock.

I was confused by one post mentioning that the letterbox and widescreen buttons are not available in 3.2. I have a 4x3 capable of HDTV. Checking the letterbox puts the 16x9 HD content in the correct aspect ratio rather than stretching it out to fill the 4x3.

Is it correct to assume that the 16x9 content will still display correctly. Or will it try to fill the 4x3?

i got it about 2 weeks ago.. im in highland park "~eagle rock adelphia" zone

Bo

One of the features that I really miss that my old cable box had is the “Reminder” feature. I used that feature daily and I wish the moxi box had it.

Most of the time, I want to know what's on now or in the very near future, channel by channel. The Moxi guide gives you that on one screen, with the option to move to the right and scroll through the whole day or a few days on the one channel. I can't really come up with a point by point comparison of Moxi vs. Grid. I just find that Moxi is very easy to use, easy to see, and contains exactly the level of info that I want in a program guide. My only comparison is the guide that I had on the Motorola cable box that was grid style, which I did not like. I have not had Reply or Tivo, so I can't compare them to Moxi. I spoke up mostly because I don't think it's accurate to say that "everybody" wants Moxi to change the style.

I do miss a grid guide, but there are some very nice things about the way Moxi presents the guide as well. I would love to see BOTH a grid guide AND the moxi guide with the ability to switch between them easily.

Had a firmware update early this morning. Thankfully it wasn't during the prime time evening.

Don't see anything new though. I had 3.2 already I think cause I've had the HD settings for sometime.

Anyone know what this was? Anything to get excited about? This is in madison, wi BTW