Does anyone have a moxi unit yet? Are they available?

Valuepac,

Moxis are only available to Charter customers in Rochester, Minn at this time. The first Moxi deployments to other markets are expected this fall. Charter has placed an order for 70,000+ Moxis, while Comcast has ordered 40,000 -- for deployment late this year and next.

Originally posted by bfdtv
Valuepac,

The first Moxi deployments to other markets are expected this fall. Charter has placed an order for 70,000+ Moxis, while Comcast has ordered 40,000 -- for deployment late this year and next.
We expect some new markets to come online well before the fall, (which begins this year on September 22). Stay tuned for announcements throughout the summer.

BTW: Charter's order for 70,000 units of the Moxi Media Center for use on Scientific Atlanta networks is in addition to their previous order for 100,000 units of the Motorola BMC9000 series. Adelphia has ordered 25,000 units as well.

MoxiGuy,

Did you guys disclose the breakdown between Moxi and Moxi Powerkey for the 40,000 boxes ordered by Comcast?

Comcast has ordered all Motoroloa BMC units.

MoxiGuy- Welcome to the forum!

I'll guess from your name you have some relationship with Moxi? If so, do you know if Firewire boxes are planned anytime soon?

DaveFi,

Good guess as to my afiliation. I'm happy to clarify anything about our current product (or announced enhancements.) But, I won't comment on unannounced HW. How important do you rate Firewire as a feature?

BTW: I'll refer you to a great point that bfdtv made elsewhere (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=3932944&highlight=moxi#post3932944):
I think it is "pretty slick" that you can trade in your cable DVR for new, next-generation models as they become available -- at little or no cost (typically $0-$30).

Firewire is a must. Many of us, especially in the "Recorders" forum have DVHS decks. Without Firewire DVHS is useless. FCC rules state a cable co has to offer at least 1 Firewire enabled product anyways- wouldn't you want it to be a Moxi?

Given the choice between a Moxi w/no Firewire and something else w/Firewire I'll have to choose the later.

What is the difference between a Moxi and a Motorola BMC unit as it relates to the Comcast order? Are they different names for the same box?

Originally posted by sgtjim
What is the difference between a Moxi and a Motorola BMC unit as it relates to the Comcast order? Are they different names for the same box?
I have three answers for you.

The short answer is: no difference. They are two names for the same box.

If you have the time, here's the long answer:

Moxi is the brand under which Digeo markets our Media Center products. These products consist of hardware reference designs, software, and back-end services. We've licensed our HW reference design to Motorola. They use their own branding on the product. They build it and sell it to cable operators as a Motorola Broadband Media Center (BMC). So their official product name is Motorola BMC9012 with Moxi. the "12" at the end means 1 room, 2 tuners.

Later this year, they will introduce the Motorola BMC9022D with Moxi 2 rooms, 2 tuners, DVD/CD drive. The initial Comcast order is for the 9012 (one-room version). (Both models are HD.)

But the third answer is the one you should out look for if you want to get the service: Comcast will offer the product as Comcast DVR, Powered by Moxi. Charter will market it as Charter DVR with Moxi. Adelphia will market it as Adelphia DVR with Moxi.

In our literature, we refer to it as Moxi Media Center, rather than DVR, because our vision for the product goes far beyond recording TV shows and embraces multiple media types and the notion of a central server that can share content throughout the home.

How does the Comcast Moxi rollout integrate with the 62XX roll-out? In other words, we are expecting 6214 units here in the SF Bay Area in September or so. Jeez, I'd rather have one of these Moxi units. Is there any knowledge of Comcast's plan regarding the two devices? The 62XX units are apparently an inexpensive rental. Is that how the Moxi's will be handled?

Bill

The 6412 is in testing now- it has Firewire and I suspect this will be the DVR for those who need it.

It's looking like Comcast will offer more than one PVR model for rental.

Bill,

Comcast hasn't announced how they will handle multiple DVR platforms in the same market, or even whether they will offer multiple platforms in a given market.

Originally posted by MoxiGuy
DaveFi,

Good guess as to my afiliation. I'm happy to clarify anything about our current product (or announced enhancements.) But, I won't comment on unannounced HW.

MoxiGuy,

Maybe for one of those unannounced HW products, Moxi can add an OTA tuner (or two) and sell the boxes to the public. It looks like Moxi understands what many consumers want, the expansion capabilites and media server are great, but restricting it to cable only it a real killer.

-phil

MoxiGuy,

This platform seems to have incredible capabilities and the most applications available from a single user interface. Can you provide some insight on the maximum capabilities based on the products that have already been announced? Specifically, I'm curious about the following:

1. What is the difference between the Moxi PowerKEY and the 9022 model?
2. The new Xstream chip is capable of handling up to 4 tv's, does that meand that 2 9022 models can be linked via coaxial on the same system (with 2 Moximate's) for the 4 tv's? If so, does that mean that all 4 tuner's and all the content on the hardrives would be available on all 4 tv's?
3. The Moxi Plus looks like a great item, does it have 1 or 2 harddrives? Also, since the PowerKEY has 2 2.0 USB ports, can you connect more than 1 Moxi Plus to a PowerKEY? Can you use a USB hub to connect multiple USB hardrives and/or Moxi Plus boxes?

Basically, I'd like to know the maximum configuration based on the hardware that has already been announced.

Maybe for one of those unannounced HW products, Moxi can add an OTA tuner (or two) and sell the boxes to the public. It looks like Moxi understands what many consumers want, the expansion capabilites and media server are great, but restricting it to cable only it a real killer.Moxi is funded primarily by cable interests, so I wouldn't expect it to support other platforms. If you only watch the networks, you could buy a future CableCard Moxi and use it with basic cable ($12-$16/mo), which generally includes your area networks in HDTV.

1. What is the difference between the Moxi PowerKEY and the 9022 model?From what I understand, the PowerKEY model is simply the version of the BMC9012 for systems using Scientific Atlanta head-end equipment. Based on the post above, it sounds like Comcast will only offer the Moxi on Motorola systems (at least, with their initial order).

2. The new Xstream chip is capable of handling up to 4 tv's, does that meand that 2 9022 models can be linked via coaxial on the same system (with 2 Moximate's) for the 4 tv's? If so, does that mean that all 4 tuner's and all the content on the hardrives would be available on all 4 tv's?AFAIK, Moxi has not yet announced any models with the Xstream chipset. The Xstream will be used in a next-generation Moxi--these models will have up to four tuners in a single box, double the number supported by the current design.

The Xstream press release (http://www.moxi.com/newsroom/pressreleases/press_20040503d.jsp) mentions some enhancements we might see in their next-generation product.

bfdtv covered it quite accurately. Thanks.

Our goal is to minimize the costs of reaching multiple rooms. Where other architectures require you to put a full-cost DVR in each room -- or a DVR plus additional digital cable boxes or satellite receivers, we plan to serve the whole home with a single Media Center and use very low-cost thin clients (Moxi Mate) in the other rooms. So, we don't get to 4 tuners by networking two 2-tuner boxes. We get there (in some future product) by putting 4 tuners in the main box and using three Moxi Mate boxes in the other rooms. It's our custom silicon (X-Stream) that enables us to increase the functionality of the main Media Center, while reducing its cost.

bfdvt & MoxiGuy - Thanks for the info on the media server and whole house solution. That looks very promising and I think that having all the tuner's in one box is the best way to go.

Can either of you comment on the anticipate maximum storage capacity for the media center's? If you can connect multiple Moxi Plus boxes or USB drives to the media center with the tuner's then the availability for dumping to DVHS via firewire is much less of a concern.

Don't have a theoretical max number for you. Drive capacity per $ is following very encouraging trends. And we're looking to USB 2.0 add-ons to let subscribers build-out their capacity. For now, I can't get more specific. (BTW: don't anticipate that the programs you record on plug-in drives will be transferrable to other devices. it's a DRM world.)

Originally posted by MoxiGuy
Don't have a theoretical max number for you. Drive capacity per $ is following very encouraging trends. And we're looking to USB 2.0 add-ons to let subscribers build-out their capacity. For now, I can't get more specific. (BTW: don't anticipate that the programs you record on plug-in drives will be transferrable to other devices. it's a DRM world.)

That's encouraging to hear that the drive capacity may be very high, as mentioned above, that makes the ability to dump to DVHS or DVD a moot point. As for not being able to transfer USB hard drives to other devices, that is not really an issue (for me and any other honest user) if the Moxi Mates can access the harddrives attached to the main Media Center.

A system with 4 HD tuners and say a terabyte or more of storage capacity that can be accessed by 4 tv's would be pretty amazing.

What I'm interested in is how DTCP will work with external harddrives? Will the harddrive be considered the "Copy Once" device and be uncopyable/editable (new word)?

Adelphia in Ventura, CA is now deploying HD DVR with Moxi. (Expect other deployments shortly).

Comcast in the S.F. Bay Area -- please!

:)

(Note: I am wishing, not predicting.)

Mark

I remember sitting in on SCTE meetings 5 years ago listening to speakers talk about the future of cable. Back then I was thinking it would take ten+ years to get where we are today! Thanks Direct Tv and Dish for waking up the sleeping giants!

Bye the way, welcome MoxieGuy! Keep us posted on any news that becomes available!

I just got a Charter MOXI box in Medford, Oregon. HDTV channels: HDNet Movies,
HDNet, ESPNHD, and ShowtimeHD. DVR services.
I'll try to answer any questions.

lvman,

Could you give us your impressions of the box? How is the usability compared to your previous cable box?

My new Charter MOXI box is the BMC9012. I can record one show while watching another show or record two shows at once. So far box is working perfectly. Box can store up to 60 hours of TV shows in standard def or up to 20 hours in HD. Of course that's what the User's Guide shows but I haven't had enough time to test. I like the MOXI box better than my old box because it can display shows 14 days in advance. This my first DVR
so I cannot compare to any other box. However, I can record to my hard drive on my computer. The recording is so good on the MOXI I get confused with live TV and the recording.

HDTV display is great but SD is not as good as my old box. Maybe this is because I"m watching HDTV for the first time! I have a Panasonic RPTV. Maybe someone on the forum could help me get better SD reception. I have to get used to not clicking the remote too fast. Also, you must be quick at entering the channel numbers.

Overall, I'm quite pleased with the MOXI. There's not much sense in buying a HDTV without getting HD channels. Also I hate video tapes.

Originally posted by lvman1080
However, I can record to my hard drive on my computer.

How do you do that? USG, Firewire, or ethernet? or?

Based on current TWC rollout of HD DVRs and STBs with Firewire, I'm guessing I might see a Moxi HD-DVR with Firewire sometime in 2006 where I live. I'd much rather see a direct marketed product, though I understand their business model. <sigh>

The SD on my MOXI is not nearly as good as my moto 6200. Hope this changes. The menu is very good and I love all the functions of this box.

I am considering going back to the moto 6200 for the PQ. But I hate to give up the recording and menu.

warr and lvman,

How well does the favorites feature work on the Moxi?

Ivman1080,

Can I ask how much the Charter DVR with Moxi costs per month? The Charter CSR told me just today that they are going to be getting them in here in Madison, WI. My g/f and I are really pumped!

Ivman,
Does the 9012 output a modulated RF signal (ch 3 or ch 4) so you can feed the signal to other SD Tv's?

Thanks,
Dave

Charter here offers the Moxi for the princely sum of $17/mo, $7/rental fee + $10 "for the service".

The $10 service fee should be universal since that's Digeo's cut essentially. The box rental fee could vary by company I suppose.

Originally posted by dfriend
Charter here offers the Moxi for the princely sum of $17/mo, $7/rental fee + $10 "for the service".

The $10 service fee should be universal since that's Digeo's cut essentially. The box rental fee could vary by company I suppose.

So that's in addition to the $3 HD service, and the $4 HDNet subscription fee, right?

What about the $10 rental fee for the regular HD box? Are you saying that the Moxi is actually cheaper than a plain HD box? I guess that would make some sense, since they're tacking on another $10 that you can't go without.

Does the Moxi stream mp3 and photos from your home network?

I was sad to read that Comcast's Moxies are for Motorola systems, as I'm on a leg of Comcast that uses Sci-Atlanta. The 8000 is riddled with problems, and I am hoping that either Comcast will eventually order Sci-At systems Moxies OR I might be able to purchase one on my own (and have it work with my system...)

Ah, well...

Originally posted by rcwalters
So that's in addition to the $3 HD service, and the $4 HDNet subscription fee, right?

What about the $10 rental fee for the regular HD box? Are you saying that the Moxi is actually cheaper than a plain HD box? I guess that would make some sense, since they're tacking on another $10 that you can't go without.

Yes that's in addition to the service fees for the channels themselves.

The rental fee will vary by location. Here the $7 fee for the Moxi box is the same as the rental for the regular HD box, depending on how you rent it. Here there's a digital package that somehow allows you to rent the box for $3, but if you want Moxi, then it's $7. If you don't get the package, the rental is $7 regardless. Kind of stupid but hey, it's a cable company.

The Charter MOXI service costs an additional $17 per month in Medford, Oregon. $10 for the DVR service and $7 for the MOXI box. There is no MP3 and photo streaming yet. I'm not sure about the modulated RF signal. If you mean can the MOXI box do simultaneous component and SD output, I don't think so. I have an HD module attached to the box and component outputs from the box to my Panasonic RPTV. I don't think the RF out is live. I know that the S-video and RCA outputs are not live. Maybe dfriend can help you with the RF question.
My only experience with DVR has been the Snapstream service.

Ivman1080, how did you record to your PC's hard drive? Firewire?

Thanks, Mike

I have not recorded to my PC hard drive with MOXI. There is no firewire out from the box. I was just giving my experience with DVR. Sorry for the confusion.

Moxi will be available to Comcast subscribers in the Portland, OR area by the end of the year.

http://www.comcastnw.com/digital_video.htm

Originally posted by SonomaSearcher
Moxi will be available to Comcast subscribers in the Portland, OR area by the end of the year.

http://www.comcastnw.com/digital_video.htm


Interesting...I wonder when Northern California/Bay Area will make an announcement...you'd figure they know the answer already since they are managed by the same Western Regional Management team as Oregon...and the entire region chose to bypass the 6208...

I just got my Moxi yesterday.

First Impressions is:

The good:
It timeshifts or records HD.
Its inexpensive.
Its got two tuners.

The bad:
Its slow to respond to remote, particularly when recording.
It needs a tabular program guide, it takes forever to find anything.
Its hard to find the recording status.
The disk is way too small for HD. Should have at least 4 times more hard drive,
Proprietary non-learning remote.

Needed:
Faster remote response, its way too easy to overrun the remote buffer.
Option for tabular guides. The ReplayTV is a good example of how to do it, it is much easier to navigate.
A better status indicator.
Ability to put more lines of data in when in a high res mode.
A learning remote.

My ReplayTVs won't be going away anytime soon, the Moxi complements them, however. Please activate the USB ports and let me put a drive on it.

Interesting impressions kelliot. Hopefully MoxiGuy, who frequents these boards, will see your comments and they'll work their way into future improvements. Especially about the remote and the guide navigation.

I'm hoping that Moxi will be offered here in Burbank, CA but I also hope that it's a lot better than the SA 8000HD.

Comments seen and, for the most part, already working their way into future improvements. A few already baked into software updates that are in the pipeline. Others under consideration, awaiting more feedback.

MoxiGuy can you discuss the availability of the unit on Comcast systems? Does it look like we'll have to wait for them to hit retail and buy it to use on most Comcast markets?

DaveFi,

I know very little, and what little I know, I can't say. We're working with Comcast. They plan to deploy Moxi in trials later this year. I have to guess that Comcast will make decisions on the basis of what they learn. Beyond that, you probably know as much as I do. Maybe more.

Unfortunately it looks like the 6412 will be the PVR of choice for Comcast.
The iGuide software isn't very good. Better than what we have now, but still poor compared to Moxi and MSTV.

I'm not sure why isolated regions have access to different products, because I thought Comcast was trying to make their services uniform.
At least now that Cable Card is available, we will start to see boxes like Moxi hit retail.

The first generation of CableCARD doesn't support a multi-tuner DVR or two-way interactivity needed to control On Demand content or the full set of Moxi features. That won't happen until the next generation, known as Multi-Stream CableCARD. So, Moxi at retail is not a near-term prospect.

Was surfing last night and found that the remote is much faster if one does not use the Moxi menu. I'd just as soon not see the magnified selection on the channel selector. It just hides other info.

If one selects a channel with the current software it gives a list of choices. I'd prefer if it tunes to it and that another button be used for choices.

Also give me a jump up or down 100 channels button. I'm tired of scrolling. Nothing else has this either AFAIK.

Also, the tuner area gets real hot even though the ventilation is reasonaby good. Don't expect to put one of these in a closed cabinet.

I like the PQ. On 1080i, I saw no motion artifacts on HD gymnastics.

All these behaviors work in the Moxi Menu

Singles: a single press on the arrow will move one item into the center focus (selection) area.

Turbo mode: hold the arrow and the U-I accelerates as you move into turbo mode, which zips through the choices very rapidly. When you let go, it stops.

Paging: the channel up & down button will move through channels a screen at a time.

Number entry: use the number pad to jump to any channel number (or if you enter a number that you don't actually get, you jump to the nearest number).

kelliot: when you talk about a buffer overrun, do you mean turbo mode, or is the menu actually continuing to scroll after you take your finger off the button?

My cable company just gave me a moto moxi 9012 and i have few question about it.

1. My moto 6208 i was beta testing allowed me to hook up my tivo via Svideo and output 480I, while outputing 1080I through DVI and Comp. Can the moxi do this?

2. The DVI port shows a pictures for 10 seconds and then says no signal.. why?

3. Will the USB port allow me to connect a USB2 harddrive to add space?

4. The interface seems to run a little sluggish.. like an underpower pc..why?

Valuepac,

1. No. It never occurred to us that someone would want to hook up a DVR to Moxi, since Moxi already contains a DVR. We have two tuners. You can record both of them simultaneously. You can even play back a third show while you are doing that. What is your reason for wanting to output to TiVo at the same time? Moxi outputs only one resolution at a time. So, if you set it to 1080i, you'll see nothing at the S-video or the composite output.

2. The DVI output uses an encryption scheme called HDCP (High-bandwidth Digital Content Protection Scheme). We still have a few hurdles to clear before we can enable your box to perform the required HDCP handshake to keep your picture going. It looks like it will take a few months. Then we'll be able to turn on your DVI.

3. Since you put the question in the future tense, I can answer Yes. We're planning to enable a USB 2 external drive in a future release.

4. Not sure how to answer, because I don't know enough about what seems sluggish to you. What problems are you seeing? Is it sluggish everywhere? or on specific operations?

Moxiguy,
To comment on the last post I personally find it very important that the composite video output works at the same time as the component output. I have a Home Theater room that has a 100" Projector and a 25" TV. I do not really need to veiw both at the same time but certainly do not want to have to go into a configuration menu to switch outputs to switch TVs. I am expecting a my Moxi today (assuming Moxi as it Charter DVR/HD). I am very disapointed to here that the outputs do not work at the same time. I hope Moxi addresses this issue soon. I had a Samsung T165 and worked great this way..

RK

All I have to say is we need to have bigger hard drive. I wouldnt have the output issue for my Tivo if the box came with 250gig + hard drive in the first place or at the very least let me add on my own USB 2 drive. I'll go to frys and buy my own USB2 300 gig harddrive. Then i can get rid of tivo.

Does Moxi show 4:3 material in OAR or stretched?

Valuepac how did you get on the beta program? Do you think I can get one if I call them?

Originally posted by tnili
Does Moxi show 4:3 material in OAR or stretched?
In current software, it's stretched. We're making a change to that in a release planned for later this year. In a future release we will pass through all signals to your display in whatever resolution and aspect ratio they are transmitted in. What you receive is what you'll see. You have the option to use settings on your TV to stretch, squash, crop, or upscale to suit your preferences. We expect this will also improve PQ on SD material.

Originally posted by MoxiGuy
In current software, it's stretched. We're making a change to that in a release planned for later this year.

Huh!? I hope I'm reading this wrong. Does this mean that all 4:3 content will be streched to 16:9 on my widescreen TV?

No, you didn't read it wrong; I explained it incompletely. Let me clarify.

We don't prevent you from watching in the original aspect ratio, but you may have to manually swtich resolutions to do so.

Examples: You can set the output of BMC9012 to any of the following resolutions: 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i. In 1080i mode, we present 1080i signals in whatever aspect ratio they are transmitted. If the program source is 4:3 with pillars on the sides, that's what you'll see. If the source is stretched, that's what you'll see. If it's native 16:9, that's what you'll see.

Here's where the complexity sets in: In 1080i mode, signals in lower resolutions are currently upscaled to 1080i and stretched to 16:9.

At home, when I tune to a 4:3 program that's transmitted in 480i, what I do is manually change output resolution from 1080i to 480i. This restores the 4:3 aspect ratio.

What we plan do in a future release is to eliminate the need to switch output resolution manually. You check off all the resolutions your display is capable of handling, and, provided the display can handle the incoming resolution, that's what we'll output. If not, we'll scale it for you.

In that coming release, we'll present original aspect ratio and screen resolution automatically.

From that point on, it's up to you and your TV to make choices about stretching, cropping, letterboxing, etc.

So is the MOXI service fee per house or per box? I am looking at getting two boxes and want to know if I'll pay the 9.99 once or twice.

In addition - for the Charter customers: If I understand correctly, the total charge is as follows: $7 (Digital Cable box)+ $3 (HD Service Fee) + 9.99 (DVR fee) = Total $20 HD DVR fees... correct?

Chris

Originally posted by MoxiGuy
In 1080i mode, signals in lower resolutions are currently upscaled to 1080i and stretched to 16:9.

At home, when I tune to a 4:3 program that's transmitted in 480i, what I do is manually change output resolution from 1080i to 480i. This restores the 4:3 aspect ratio.

Let me make sure I have this right. My current HD cable box (Moto DCT5100) has a 4:3 Override option in the user setup where you can specify how you want 4:3 content output to the TV. The options are 480i or 480p. If you select 480i, then the 4:3 content will show up OAR on your display. The Moto BMC9012 does not have this override feature. If I set the output to 720p, its going to upscale 480i programming to 720p and stretch it to fit my display. To scale it back down to 480i so that it shows up OAR, I will have to manually change the output resolution.

Assuming I have this right, I've got two questions:

1. How involved is it to change the resolution? Do you have to cycle through several user setup menus, etc. I'm trying to figure out how hard it would be to just program my Harmony remote to have a one-button 4:3 override.

2. Does this effect recorded content at all? I'm assuming that it doesn't (i.e. it only effects what is sent to the display, whether that is live TV, recorded content, etc.)

Thanks.

Couple notes...

There needs to be a "Hot-key" to toggle through resolutions or something. This is BS to have to go into the menu system to change this. Not to mention that I have to start my projector to simply see the menu (when in 720p or 1080i) just to enable 480i then turn off the projector and turn on the TV.
Also although the menu system looks cool it is not every effective when trying to get a "overall" view of what is on TV. You have to go to each channel to see what is comming up. There NEEDS to be an option to display a conventional TV guide chart!
Also the pausing in the menu is total unacceptible! This needs to be fixed ASAP!

I was rather excited about getting a MOXI box but after using it for a fews days now I would clearly perfer a proven "DVR" GUI over the MOXI GUI!

Sorry maybe my expectations were to high!

Also does anyone else notice a fine line that moves up the screen. I probably could not see it on a smaller (>60") TV but very noticable on my 100" projector. It's visable at all times (including boot process and at all resolutions). Projector does not display this on any other sources.. I assume I will have to swap it so will I lose all my record content or can they move it from one to other?

Thanks..

Here's how to get to 480i output without firing up your projector to see the menu:

On the front of the Media Center, simultaneously press and hold the Live TV (second from left) and OK (center of the circle) buttons. The LED on the Media Center will show you the current resolution. You can use the ch up and down arrows on the Media Center (the two right-most buttons) to cycle through Sd (480i), 480P, 720P, and 1080. When you hit a resolution that your display can handle, the screen will light up with a dialog asking you to confirm the choice. Choose yes.

OK, this ceratinly helps but I still have to get off my lazy a**. Hope you guys look into enabling this on the remote somehow..

Also another IMPORTANT request... How can I controll the "Favorites"? I want to have a screen that can display only the channels I want to see (only HD channels) but also need a screen to view the channel List (all channels).

Thanks,
RK

Two points.

Next rev of software (already being tested by your cable company and planned for release next month) will have an HD-only filter built-in.

There will also be more control of favorites: the action menu in favorites will have a remove channel command to dump it, if you don't want it there.

We're looking for user input on whether we should have a completely manual favorites option.

Originally posted by MoxiGuy
Two points.

Next rev of software (already being tested by your cable company and planned for release next month) will have an HD-only filter built-in.

VERY SWEET!


There will also be more control of favorites: the action menu in favorites will have a remove channel to dump it, if you don't want it there.

This will be helpful!!


We're looking for user input on whether we should have a completely manual favorites option.

I think an option is the only way to make all people happy..

How about the speed of the menu and the pausing/freezing issue?

Menu performance gets noticeably better in each of the next two releases and dramatically better in the one after that (expected early next year).

There's also a neat control for flipping the entire channel list forward through time... by 30-minute chunks or 24 hour jumps. It's not quite a grid, but it lets you compare what's on across multiple channels. The time-forward control works in all of the filters, too. so you can compare movies, sports, etc.

Thanks MoxiGuy!

It's good to know these issues are being addressed! Now I just have to be patient..

BTW: Does the cable provider simply push out the updates once they have tested them. I wonder who I could contact at Charter to become a "Beta" tester?

Thanks again...

Man I need my comcast to carry this box, even with its problems it hands down beats the heck out of the crappy TVGuide DVR software on my 6208 and man lack of dual tuner is killing me, Hey moxiguy you guess have any plans for something like a 4 tuner box? Also when you enable the usb2 external hardrive support will we be able to get our own drives or will it be something we will need to rent from the cable company like the STB?

Today, Adelphia SoCal updated its web page and they are offering MOXI in my area. I signed up and await installation on 9/2.

http://www.adelphiasocal.com/dvr/availability.shtml

I saw where Brian Roberts (Comcast CEO)..is quoted on revamped homepage for moxi (www.moxi.com)

Here's what it says



From Multichannel News:
Exclusive Interview with Paul Allen
and Brian Roberts at NCTA

"It's pretty clear they have among, if not, the best working system on the show floor today....Every idea they talked about, tickers, telephony, VoIP built in -- the list is incredibly impressive, all integrated into one whole-house solution."
-- Brian Roberts, CEO, Comcast



...Okay Brian, now put your money where your mouth is and start putting moxi's in the hands of customers!

Also:

Moxi Ticker doesn't work yet.
My Onkyo receiver isn't supported by the remote according to my manual.
No support on Harmony remote.


I did record Chiefs/Rams game but lost last two minutes. Next time I'll have to remember to extend the recording.

Now if only Charter would actually let me have one. Charter really sucks.

any hard drive external USB2 drivers on this new update... I need space!!!

Today was the big day. First on my block to get Adelphia's Moxi HD DVR!!!
I even took off work early to be here for the big event.

They showed up at 2:30 to install the Moto BMC 9012 Moxi, plugging into a Pioneer PRO-910HD 43" plasma.

The local area lead man showed up along with an installer that had some experience (he's been Beta testing at home for a couple of weeks on a 65" RP). It was the first customer install of this unit for both of them.

The install went fairly smooth, the boys knew their stuff pretty well and had me up and running in short order.

I had more than a few issues with the unit tho... and it appears most have been mentioned already in this thread, but I'll add my impressions.

1) When the 1080i option is selected it applies to all, Wide-screen and 4:3, which is a deal-breaker for me right off the bat. Yes, you can go into the Set-up/Video Options menu and reset to 480p/i to view 4:3 un-stretched, but that adds a certain PITA factor to the channel surfing experience to say the least. No thanks, I don't want my 4:3 stretched.
My current 6208 Moto HD STB is smart enough to figure out how to apply full-screen mode to wide-screen material and leave 4:3 alone. I can then apply full, zoom, w/s, cinema modes or leave it 4:3 as I choose.

2) Speaking of the menus, the fact that this is more a computer than a tuner is quite apparent as it takes forever to scroll (and I use that word lightly) thru the menu options and occasionally, no, frequently gets stuck. I'd say it takes a good 15 to 30 seconds for each click on a menu item to complete.

3) Remote - What to say here...? I guess a comparison will be best. You know how you can wave most remotes in the general direction of the intended target equipment, or even on a 90+ degree angle and it still works? Not so with this baby. Not only do you need to aim it directly at the box, it's real picky about the angle the box is sitting at compared to the beam from the remote. You had better have a clear and straight-on angle of attack, then move inside of 6ft. There, now you have a "remote".
***Hey, at least you're close enough to pull off that convenient little 2-button short-cut on the face of the box to change from 1080 to 480!!***

4) OK, how about the picture? It's pretty hard to screw up HD stuff, but on the SD material, the PQ was significantly impaired by this box, I mean A LOT worse. Focus was much softer, color muted. You know the Claritin commercial where they peel back the film layer and the world gets clearer? This thing is the before shot. (I know, if I had a DVR, I wouldn't have to watch those commercials...). We put the HD STB back to do a comparison because the installers insisted that there should be "no difference in PQ". All they could do was say wow and shake their heads after the old Moto HD was back in place.

Well, I'll suffer thru commercials and watching stuff as it airs for now.
I sent this POS back with the installers.

Randu

Randu,

I appreciate your post. (In fact, you should know that it's getting wide circulation here to all the folks in a position to make a difference). I'm sorry your experience was not better. Here's what I know about the issues you raised.

1. Stretching 4:3. We have a software update in the pipeline that doesn't stretch. It will automatically switch resolutions to match the resolution of the incoming signal. We expect this before the end of the year. I've got Moxi at home, and while manual switching is less smooth than automatic switching, It's not a huge barrier for me. (But this is a subjective issue.)

2. Scrolling and menus. This one puzzles me a bit. We've seen occasional hiccups, but the behavior that you describe is not typical. For the most part people report that scrolling is very responsive. (We have a feature called Turbo Mode, where you hold down one of the arrows and the scrolling accelerates). Hypothesis: in the first hour, the system is very busy downloading the latest program info. That may be what caused the delays you saw. Advice to anyone with a brand new installation: Let the download settle in for an hour and then put it through its paces.

3. Remote. Not sure what the issue was. Maybe old batteries? I'm not seeing that problem at home.

4. PQ. There are three types of program sources. HD, SD (digital), SD (analog). Most of the reports we get back (and several posts on this forum) report no problems with either flavor of digital signal. Analog PQ is an issue for all DVRs--because the DVR has to convert the signal to digital (encoded as MPEG2) in order to record it. Some people choose to watch analog directly, by-passing the DVR. If they have a strong cable signal, they split their cable feed and use a direct connection to the TV antenna input. They switch TV inputs to watch analog. (You can't pause it, of course. But the PQ may be better.) I'd like to know more about what you were seeing. Did your PQ issues involve analog only or all SD channels.

Bottom line: thousands of folks have Moxi at home and are very happy with it. I'll let you know when the automatic resolution software is available. I'm hopeful you'll give us a nother shot. Cable makes it pretty much a no-risk offer.

MoxiGuy

MoxiGuy,
Thanks for your feedback.

The 4:3 fix is big, I'd be willing to give it another shot when that's done.

Remote - I asked the same question. They claimed brand new batteries, I took their word for it as everything was brand new, still in the original wrappers. Actually, the installer that had the Beta unit at home warned me as he handed me the remote that it was much more (less?) sensitive and I wasn't going to be able to point it in the general direction of the box like I was used to with the 6208.

As far as the scrolling, yes, there were instances where it was clearly needing to grab a fist-full of programming data to display, but even the simple functions like going to Set-up/Video Output took much longer than I expected. I was pretty frustrated by that time and maybe the poor remote function played some role in my take on this, but it definitely hung up at least 3 times while going thru the menus, we even discussed at the time how long it took for the Moxi to process even simple commands. You can see when the remote "pushes the button" on screen as there is a white flash around the border of the button, so I could tell when it received a command, and how long to took to perform.

PQ - Having a fairly high end plasma, I'll admit, I'm damned picky about PQ to begin with. I have definitely grown accustomed to a great picture, but I was shocked when I checked analog NBC for instance. Even the digital HBO/Showtime channels were very disappointing to me. I was amazed that the Adelphia guys thought that was normal, "it looks like that on my 65" rear projection too...". So I had them swap the 6208 back in, went back to the same channels, and then they saw the difference too, it is not slight.

Yes, I could split the signal and change inputs for analog, but not for all the digital cable channels, and they're just as bad IMO, plus, that's just another PITA factor anyway.

I spent a lot of time, energy and $ to have a fantastic picture, and I'm not going backward.

MoxiGuy, if your office is in SoCA, I'd be happy to have you over for a trial run. I'll even throw in the chips & salsa!

BTW, I'm curious, why did Time-Warner SoCA delay their roll-out of this unit? Did they try it out and decide it needed more work??

Randu

I agree on the Moxi menu/remote issues. The interface pauses (sometimes for up to 5-10+ seconds) while retreiving data. The 4:3 issue is also a big deal for my self and for now simply split the cable for my 4:3 TV (bypass moxi).

Important issues...
* We need USB2 drivers for extra storage!
* The pausing on the menu needs to be fixed!
* Favorites control!


Feature requests...
* HD content indicator - Show what shows are in HD! Have to logon to titantv.com now to do this.
* Enable the ethernet port and create and interface through a web browser to schedule recordings and view recording list.

Thanks,
RK



MoxiGuy - Can you tell me if the DVI and component Outputs work at the same time? I am thinking of picking up a LCD TV and want to be able to display to my projector (component) and LCD TV (DVI) at the same time.

Originally posted by Randu
BTW, I'm curious, why did Time-Warner SoCA delay their roll-out of this unit? Did they try it out and decide it needed more work??

Time-Warner Cable is not using Moxi for their HD DVR. It's a different box from a different supplier. I have no information about the status of their roll-out.

As for your salsa offer... tempting. Our offices are in Palo Alto, CA and Kirkland, WA... but we have folks down your way fairly regularly to work with the local Adelphia team. I'll see what we can schedule and I'll be in touch by PM

MoxiGuy - Can you tell me if the DVI and component Outputs work at the same time? I am thinking of picking up a LCD TV and want to be able to display to my projector (component) and LCD TV (DVI) at the same time.

Originally posted by htaddict1513 Can you tell me if the DVI and component Outputs work at the same time? I am thinking of picking up a LCD TV and want to be able to display to my projector (component) and LCD TV (DVI) at the same time.
Yes, DVI and component outputs will both be live simultaneously. (the composite and S-Video are not live when you're in 1080i mode). As I've mentioned elsewhere, DVI is not yet active. We expect to turn that on for you before the end of the year.

FYI: The HD filter is on its way. It's in our next update, which is currently going through final testing and validation. You should have it next month. Most everything else on your request list is underway, but I need to stay vague on dates until we're ready to roll.

I started to write this on Tuesday (the day after I rec'd the Moxi box from Charter) but thought I would give the box some time to burn in. As this is our first DVR, I can't compare the features to anything else, so my observations are strictly based on the visual quality and usability of the unit.

PQ for SD is significantly different than the PQ on the old Motorola HD box it replaced. The digital channels look good for the most part, so my issue is with the SD basic channels only. I've read Moxiguy's response to this issue and while it makes logical sense, the visual impact of watching fuzzy SD is less appealing as time goes on.

So far I haven't made the move to switch/split the input to regular RF input to watch the basic channels, but I may have to make the switch to satisfy the household and sacrifice the useful DVR features.

For reference, the unit is connected via components to a Sammy HLN507W DLP.

I can ditto what has also been stated in this thread...this unit runs HOT. May have to install a fan in the enclosure to make sure there is adequate air flow to keep this unit cool.

One comment from my wife is that channel surfing is slower...described as significant latency between channel up/down selections and receiver reaction.

So far the DVR is great! We can easily search for the shows that we like and it records correctly. We now have Sesame Street on tap for the kiddies! :D

My moxi box keep missing up. Im record SD FOX here in socal and it keep freezing, the picture seems to be shaking. I have alot stuff on my moxi box.. could it be over compressing? or is there something wrong with my box?

Originally posted by Valuepac
My moxi box keep missing up. Im record SD FOX here in socal and it keep freezing, the picture seems to be shaking. I have alot stuff on my moxi box.. could it be over compressing? or is there something wrong with my box?
Moxi won't let you put too much stuff on the box. If your disk is getting full, Moxi will give you a message saying that it may have to delete some programs early in order to record a new request... It will tell you which programs may be deleted. That gives you the chance to delete them yourself--or delete others or cancel some of your upcoming recordings. Don't worry about over-compressing.

Can you say more about your problem? Is it only on Fox? Is the Fox channel analog? Are other channels OK?

Originally posted by LaxStar18
...have any plans for something like a 4 tuner box? Also when you enable the usb2 external hardrive support will we be able to get our own drives or will it be something we will need to rent from the cable company like the STB?

One of the most exciting projects at our company involves creating custom silicon to support an expanded feature set, while lowering costs. You can read about our X-Stream Chipset (http://www.digeo.com/prodserv/xstream.jsp) on the Digeo website. It will support up to four tuners. That means a future version of Moxi will be able to drive TV sets in four different rooms and record four programs at once. As for your second question, we haven't made final decisions on the business policies on external hard drive expansion. What would you like to see?

MoxiGuy

Originally posted by MoxiGuy
As for your second question, we haven't made final decisions on the business policies on external hard drive expansion. What would you like to see?

MoxiGuy

I'd much rather see it as something the end user can do (purchase on their own at a store) if he wants to add additional external storage beyond what comes with the basic box rental from the MSO.

You can provide recommendation for what drives have been tested...with USB it should be simple and not add an additional support overhead to the MSO (or moxi) if done right

I agree, i would really like to see the external expansion drive me something were we could just hop over to Best Buy or wherever and buy an external drive we can just plug in and go with. As for the 4 tuners, this is very good news indeed, though since i have comcast i bet it will be like a hundred years before we see them offer it

I want to see Moxi (and Tivo) be first out of the gate with Multistream CableCard support so we can own the damned box and do whatever we want with it (so long as the "whatever we want" doesn't involve piracy).

Let me buy a standard drive -- or 10 -- and plug them in.

Mark

I would definitely like to be able to swap different USB drives in and out. Meaning, make it so that it won't span one program across multiple drives, then when you pull a drive off, what's on there leaves the program menu, and comes back when you plug it back in. You can't do this with Tivo drives--once added, you can't take away.

This way, you could, for instance, have a drive for nothing but your favorite football team, and put it away in the offseason if you want to.

If you have to encrypt it so people can't distribute it, fine, as long as I can archive for my own use.

Also, it would be nice to be able to back-up the internal drive to external, and external to external. I have had the drive die in my Tivo three different times (three different drives, obviously) and every time it was full of stuff I hadn't watched, and I lost all of it. It'd be great to have a backup so you don't lose stuff when a drive dies.

And that being said, it would be nice for the main internal drive to be officially user-replaceable in the event of failure, if not also upgradeable to a larger one.

I agree let us purchase the external drives.

MoxiGuy,
I would like to inform you of an issue I am having. I posted it once earlier but since then have verified it to be an issue with all (at least two) Moxi boxes.

I have a 100" FP setup using component. There is a faint line the full width of the screen that moves from bottom to top. The line is pretty much present at all times including the boot process. I had a samsung T165 (OTA) tuner and also use a JVC DVD through these same cables and there is no line using these devices. Another interesting fact is that when opening some menus (in Moxi menu) the line will stop scrolling which further proves that the line is being caused my the Moxi.

I had Charter come out and swap the box but the same thing happened on the replacement box I asked to keep the original (due to recorded content). The cable guy was real nice and after evaluating the problem for a while he agreed that it was the Moxi box and not interference from the single or A/V cables. He said he would be reporting it to someone from the development group. It sounds like this is the first reported issue so maybe there is a bad "batch" of Moxi boxes or because the line is so faint it can only be seen on VERY large screens (100"+).

Anyways I sure hope this is being addressed. I will put up with it for a while but not too long.

On a nother sour note I recorded some movies and got some digital artifacts that I was used to using OTA (single issues) but was hoping this was a thing of the past using cable. What's being done to address this?

Thanks much,
RK
St. Cloud, Mn

Moxiguy wrote:
We have two tuners. You can record both of them simultaneously.
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Not necessarily..

When recording was in progress for an HD stream (NBCHD), I couldn't start recording a second SD stream (NBC RF), without Moxi saying it didn't have enough room and did I want to kill the original stream.

Perhaps it's a weirdness because the "scheduled program length" for the HD stream was hours and hours?

One big problem with Moxi (or, at least, the BMC9012 implementation in it's current rev) is power consumption.

It draws about 150W, all the time. Not only does this make putting it in a cabinet problematic (think Easy-Bake oven), but it's expensive!

At $0.25/kWh (which is a decent estimate of what an "additional" kWh will set you back in SoCal, after you've busted the baseline, etc.) , that's $0.90/day just to keep the box alive.

Or, to put it more in perspective, a bit more than $300/year.

The device needs a low power standby mode of some sort. Presumably, it could spin down the drive when not needed, and idle the processors and a/d and d/a converters, tuners, etc.

10W is fine for standby power (although it's a big problem in a larger sense.. all those little wall warts at 5-10W add up).

For now, I think a simple timer on the AC is probably in order, although it reduces the usefulness of scheduling recording automatically.

Originally posted by jimlux
It draws about 150W, all the time....a bit more than $300/year
Not quite so much. Are you going by ratings printed on the back of the box? Those are maxiums. Actuals are about 80W. I'll pass your suggestions for power savings to our HW developers.

Jimlux,
You got me. (but did I say "always"?) Yes... it's because of the length of the program as listed. (Who knew the Olympics would be chunked out five to eight hours at a stretch?) The scheduling software calculates whether there will be room on the drive before confirming a recording. (Some DVRs just stop if you fill up the drive). Next time the summer games roll around, I predict we'll all have substantially larger hard drives.

Originally posted by htaddict1513
There is a faint line the full width of the screen that moves from bottom to top.

1) What projector make and model?
2) What video output mode (480i, etc.) is the Moxi set to?_ Does the line exist in all output modes?
3) As a test, is it easy to try S-Video output to see if the line still exists?
4) By thin line, is it similar to a single scan line in width?
5) Does it exist on all channels or just specific channels?

1) What projector make and model?
BenQ 8220 (XGA) Projector - No other sources on same or different inputs produce this problem.

2) What video output mode (480i, etc.) is the Moxi set to?_ Does the line exist in all output modes?
Will have to verify but I believe it is in all modes. For sure 720P and 1080i.

3) As a test, is it easy to try S-Video output to see if the line still exists?
This would not be easy and S-Video is not an option. Would rather give up on Moxi!

4) By thin line, is it similar to a single scan line in width?
The line is faint and I would guess at least 2-3 pixel thick. Visiblity greatly depends on th e particular picture. Some colors hide the line better then others. The line flickers as it moves up the screen, when the line is 3/4 the way up another line starts at the bottom.

5) Does it exist on all channels or just specific channels?
Again, will have to verify but I believe all channels.. For sure all HD channels and as noted above it will even happen during the boot process on the boot loading screen. Makes it sound like it is the projector or cables but then when entering certain menus in the Moxi Menu the line would not stop until the menu is exited..

I will try to verify the unknowns..

Thanks,
RK

Originally posted by htaddict1513
3) As a test, is it easy to try S-Video output to see if the line still exists?
This would not be easy and S-Video is not an option. Would rather give up on Moxi!

We aren't proposing that you settle for S-Video. Just wondering if you could report on it to give us more clues about what's going on.

MoxiGuy, Interesting product! I have 2 HDTV's. Based on what I've read, the 4 tuner model would serve 1 hd and 3 analog tv's (through RG-6). Any way to pass an HD or SD(digital) signal to a second set? Will I need 2 9012's instead?

Posted some of this in the Adelphia HD thread, but, here goes:

I imagine that each cable provider sets up default configurations and channel tables for their system, which might explain some of the peculiarities.

It's unclear which output resolution from the Moxi that I should use into my Samsung DLP. Not much visible difference between 1080i and 720p. The Samsung is native 720p, but I don't know what format the HD over cable is coming over in (if it's even the same for all HD channels... it isn't over the air, after all)

Integration of the plethora of remotes is a pain. I've got the Samsung remote (needed to select which input to use (RF,Component,DVI) , and to turn it on and off. I've got the stereo remote (to select which audio, control the volume, etc.), the DVD remote, and now, the Moxi remote. I haven't trudged through all the alternatives of programming macros and combinations, etc. yet., but I'm hopeful that I can come up with some sort of useful strategy.
(I've also learned, from the remote central site, that it's possible the Moxi uses a different encoding which the standard learning remote can't use... more of a wireless IR keyboard high rate thing... it would make sense given the eventual use of the BMC as a "control hub". hey, it's a PC, it would have no problem emitting all manner of IR signals to all your other devices, but, until that is a reality, it's a royal pain.)


The SD output of the Moxi is, to put it mildly, hideously bad quality. Not sure why, but I'm much better off using the RF tuner in the TV. Makes no difference whether I use component (presumably upsampled), composite video or RF outputs from the BMC9012, they are all horrid, with quantization artifacts, screwed up color balance, etc. (and, of course, this applies to recorded programs off the DVR... making that function of limited usefulness). Arguments about needing to do A/D: MPEG2 compression, decompression/A are bogus, in my opinion. Clearly, one can get an acceptable signal in 4.5 MHz of analog bandwidth with the RF. One should be able to do the same with modern A/D and signal processing hardware.

It's trivial to do an A/B comparison between RF and composite video (or RF) coming out of the BMC9012, because you can set up the Samsung for split screen. (one can also see the several second delay through the BMC9012 with this, of course)


The audio level (digital output) on the HD channels is fine, but the level is 15-20 dB higher on the RF channels (1-100), so if you switch between an HD channel and a SD channel, you either get blasted or can't hear anything.
I haven't tried recording and playing back to see if there's the same difference.

If I had to guess, there's some digital encoding options on the SD channels that are screwed up. There's no reason for it to be that bad. Recorded HD is fairly good quality (I haven't figured out how to easily A/B it..but there's no huge artifacts)

I don't know how it handles it when the HD channel reverts to SD when recording (the NBCHD reverted to SD for the closing ceremonies.. I'll check it tonight.). Later.. oops, I haven't looked, because of the following little "feature":

On recording and playback. When NBC sends program info out so the Olympics record as a huge 5+ hour single block (filled up the disk!), how do you scroll around through it, aside from using FF or REW? If you want to look at the last half hour, for instance, you need a way to "goto" or "jump" in 1/2 hr increments or to an actual time. (probably 30 minute jumps would do)

Pat,
Today, you would need two Moto BMC9012s. (You are a rare and lucky viewer to have two HD sets).

We have a plan for serving HD to other rooms, but our timing for releasing it will wait until there's a larger population that can use it.

Oh, if only I could participate in this discussion! When will Charter offer this box to ME?

Originally posted by MoxiGuy
Pat,
Today, you would need two Moto BMC9012s. (You are a rare and lucky viewer to have two HD sets).

We have a plan for serving HD to other rooms, but our timing for releasing it will wait until there's a larger population that can use it.

There are some who will want two just to up the record capacity. I remember when I had 4 ReplayTV 5040s. (I sold two).

I'm ready to upgrade the bedroom to HD. Sharing would really be nice with the family room.

I concur on remotes. I just counted seven in the bedroom and I think I have about eight in the family room. I just bought a Harmony, but its going to take some time to get it set up right. Some custom remapping is inevitable.

Moxi box problem... I may have found the problem with the faint scan line issue I was reporting.. I hope so! I tried some different things to troubleshoot the problem and it looks like a different power cable on the projector may have resolved the issue. I will have to test it longer but so far so good. Strange thing is no other A/V sources (DVD, T165, Computer) using the same cable or different cable causes the problem. Other strange thing is that the line stopped scrolling when visiting different menus within Moxi so again seems strange the a power cable on the PJ would cause the problem. Anyways, what ever the case I hope this did resolve it! I will report back with results..

Now I only have these things to complain about..
USB2 External storage
Moxi menu speed
Charter MN - ABC, CBS, D-HDTV!
DVI output.

Another night and no scan line problem! Since I am a network/computer engineer I have seen stranger things but all I care is that it is fixed.. On a nother quality note I recored Minority Report off Showtime or HBO (can't remmeber which one) and through-out the movie there were was a lot of pixelization (digital tv signal artifact?) and towards the end of the movie (last 30+ min) it become totally un-watchable! Checked other recording and live TV, no problems so it must of been a single problem. I have seen it a couple times now but not to this extreme. This is something I was used to with OTA since I live 60+ miles from the towers but did not expect to have the problem with cable! What gives?

RK

I got setup with MOXI today. I agree with most of the issues that have been brought up but atleast I am happy that I can finally record HD.

MoxiGuy said that in the future, it will be possible to change the video mode to automatically use the format being broadcasted. I see a problem with this because my TV (Samsung DLP HLN567W) has two sets of component inputs. One is for 480i/480p and the other is for 480p/720p/1080i. There is no single input that accepts all the possible formats. Now what happens if I am watching a program that is in 720p and then I switch to something that is 480i? My TV wont be able to handle that unless they devise a way for MOXI to output component and RF/composite/s-vid at the same time. To my knowledge, this is not currently supported.

I don't think this is a problem. What moxiguy said is that in the future, the box will pass through whatever signal it gets from the cable feed, and then let your TV do any stretching, etc.

I've got the same model Samsung that you do (the 46" version), and I currently have my Motorola 5100 cable box set to pass through 16:9 programming as 720P, and I have the 4:3 override setting on the cable box set to pass through 4:3 programming as 480i. This is essentially what the moxi will do in the future. My TV displays everthing fine this way via DVI (it works on the HD component input as well).

Originally posted by GlendaleHDTV
I don't think this is a problem. What moxiguy said is that in the future, the box will pass through whatever signal it gets from the cable feed, and then let your TV do any stretching, etc.

I've got the same model Samsung that you do (the 46" version), and I currently have my Motorola 5100 cable box set to pass through 16:9 programming as 720P, and I have the 4:3 override setting on the cable box set to pass through 4:3 programming as 480i. This is essentially what the moxi will do in the future. My TV displays everthing fine this way via DVI (it works on the HD component input as well).

Well, if MOXI just passes through the signal then it might pass 480i at one instance and later 720p, depending on what you are watching. There is no single component input on the TV that can handle both signals. Notice a problem?

I don't see how the override fixes this issues, assuming the MOXI even has it.

Well, if MOXI just passes through the signal then it might pass 480i at one instance and later 720p, depending on what you are watching. There is no single component input on the TV that can handle both signals. Notice a problem?

I don't see how the override fixes this issues, assuming the MOXI even has it.

I'm by no means an expert, I just know that my current cable box passes through 480i and 720p and my Samsung HLN467W is able to handle both on the same input (DVI), so I'm assuming that if the Moxi will pass through the signal the same way my current box does, it should work. What happens if you go into the Moxi menu and change the video ouput resolution to 480i? Does your TV display the signal? If so, then I wouldn't think you would have a problem.

I also just got my Moxi box this week.

The good:
- I can now record HD. :)

The bad:
- I can only record 8 hours of HD. :(
- Digital SD doesn't look that good. After the Moxi box scales it to 720p and stretches it to 16:9, and my TV squashes it back to 4:3, the picture looks pretty beat up. Digital SD looked very good through the Motorola 6200.

The ugly:
- Analog SD is unwatchable. The stations don't seem to tune in that well. And then upscaling them to 720p on a digital TV makes it 10 times worse. Analog SD with the 6200 wasn't perfect, but it was definitely better than Moxi.

I asked the installer how many of the boxes they had installed, and he said a lot over the last few weeks. He said that only a couple of those were HD installations. I think this PVR will work for people with SD, which is 98% of their user base, but people with HD are going to have issues with it. I really wanted this to work but my wife watches mainly SD TV and is giving me a bad time about PQ, so it will probably go back. :(

MoxiGuy, I also have a Samsung where there is no place for both 480i and 720p/1080i on the same connection. How will the new software deal with this. If we output SD through 480p will it scale correctly, or will this only work with 480i?

octavian

Originally posted by GlendaleHDTV
I'm by no means an expert, I just know that my current cable box passes through 480i and 720p and my Samsung HLN467W is able to handle both on the same input (DVI), so I'm assuming that if the Moxi will pass through the signal the same way my current box does, it should work. What happens if you go into the Moxi menu and change the video ouput resolution to 480i? Does your TV display the signal? If so, then I wouldn't think you would have a problem.

The difference is that you are using DVI, not component. The DVI input on our TV's can accept all the different signals, component cannot. Currently, DVI is not active on MOXI. Even if it becomes available later, some people may prefer to use DVI for their DVD player.

Since my Samsung DLP has no single component input that accepts 480i and 720p, I had to jump through some hoops to make it do what I wanted.

First of all, if your cable installer is like mine, he probably wont even know that the box outputs 480i by default and that you have to tweek the settings to change to 720p/1080i on HDTV's.

The MOXI only has one component output so you have to save it for the 480p/720p/1080i input on your TV. But since the box defaults to 480i, you wont be able to see anything that way when you turn it on. To get around this, use a composite video cable to connect the composite output of the MOXI to one of the composite inputs of the TV. Also connect the component cable to one of the 480p/720p/1080i component inputs.

Switch the TV video mode to composite and turn on MOXI. You should be able to see the MOXI display. Go into settings and change the video output to 720p (or 1080i if you prefer). The display will go out. Quickly switch the TV video mode to component. You should see the MOXI display again, this time in the new resolution, asking you if the switch worked. Say yes. You have to do this in 10 seconds or it will revert back to 480i.

This is mostly an issue with the TV but I hope MOXI developers take it into consideration when designing new features.

Originally posted by octavian

I asked the installer how many of the boxes they had installed, and he said a lot over the last few weeks. He said that only a couple of those were HD installations. I think this PVR will work for people with SD, which is 98% of their user base, but people with HD are going to have issues with it. I really wanted this to work but my wife watches mainly SD TV and is giving me a bad time about PQ, so it will probably go back. :(

octavian

If 98% of the user base is SD, this box will have problems, one might as well get a ReplayTV or Tivo that have more features. The market is the high end HD user that also gets pemium channels. 2% of the base but 10% of the profit.

Originally posted by tnili
Well, if MOXI just passes through the signal then it might pass 480i at one instance and later 720p, depending on what you are watching. There is no single component input on the TV that can handle both signals. Notice a problem?

I don't see how the override fixes this issues, assuming the MOXI even has it.

Four points:
1. you can cycle through resolutions today on the front panel of the box. So if you aren't seeing any picture at all, you can switch to a resolution that your TV can handle without changing the cabling. (press OK and LiveTV simultaneously. The LED swtiches from time to tell you the current resolution. Then use ch up or down to cycle through resolutions until you get a picture that you can see. Answer the onscreen dialog box YES.)

2. In an upcoming release, when we will auto-switch resolutions to match native mode... we'll only do that if your TV can handle the native incoming resolution. If not, we'll scale it to something that works for you.

3. When Moxi is outputting 480i, all video output ports are live simultaneously. The s-video and composite ports only go dark when Moxi is in higher resolutions.

4. I'll ask our developers to look into the issues you report with Samsung DLP

Thanks for the reply, MoxiGuy. I think being able to tell MOXI what resolutions your TV supports is an elegant solution to the problem I brought up. I assume scaling 480i to 480p will keep the OAR of the program.

As to your point about changing the resolution by pressing those buttons on the box, I think that is very useful for initial setup. It certainly eliminates the need for switching cables if I understand it correctly. This is one of those hidden features that needs to be documented so the average user can see it.

Originally posted by tnili
I assume scaling 480i to 480p will keep the OAR of the program.
Apologies. I've had to edit my previous post. Current plan of record is that if you uncheck 480i as a possible output, it will scale to 1080i. On the upside, our engineer working on this problem was planning to buy the same Samsung model you have, so he has some personal motivation to find an elegant solution.

Originally posted by MoxiGuy
Apologies. I've had to edit my previous post. Current plan of record is that if you uncheck 480i as a possible output, it will scale to 1080i. On the upside, our engineer working on this problem was planning to buy the same Samsung model you have, so he has some personal motivation to find an elegant solution.

If he buys the current model that they just started selling, then he will not have this problen. The newest Samsung DLP's support 1080i/720p/480p/480i all on one component conection. But there are a lot of Samsungs out there that don't support it, so give us his email address and we will motivate him.:D

When I bring up the info bar at the bottom of the screen and then use the channel +/-, the picture squeezes (the info banner stays the same) down to about a 4:3 aspect. Just tell him to refine this bug (or feature) and he will be there. ;)

Also, is there a "one button" exit out of the menu system. It can be confusing trying to get back to what I was watching.

Thanks for your help,
octavian

The biggest issue that I have with MOXI right now is the remote. I use a MX-500 universal remote to control my AV gear and I wanted to add MOXI to the list of devices that it controls. I was able to learn all the keys on the MOXI remote but using the MX-500 to control MOXI proved unreliable and frustrating. Some of the fucntions worked while other required pressing and hold the button down, while some refused to work altogether.
I read in another post that the MOXI remote uses a different kind of IR signal that does not fully work with learning remotes.

Has anyone experienced this issue and are there any workarounds?

Originally posted by octavian
Also, is there a "one button" exit out of the menu system. It can be confusing trying to get back to what I was watching.

Here are the exits:

zoom is a toggle: from the menu, it will bring whatever is in the corner video window to full screen; from full-screen, it will reveal the U-I in whatever state you last left it.

MOXI: from full-screen, it will reveal the menu; if you are anywhere in the menu but Channels (the home position), it will bring you back to Channels; if you're on Channels; it will go to full screen. (this is designed for folks who don't want to hunt buttons. If you just keep pressing Moxi you'll eventually get back to full screen.)

live TV: if you're in the menu, you'll go live to last channel tuned; if you're watching behind live (from the pause buffer), you'll jump to realtime live; if you're using any other form of media (DVR playback, or--in future versions--photos, DVD, or mp3); you'll jump to liveTV

back: if you're in the menu, it will take you to full-screen.

MoxiGuy

Thanks for the info.

tnili

I have the MX-700, and it learned the Moxi remote without any problems. I had a couple of buttons that I had to program twice, so you may have to try a couple of times. Good luck.

octavian

Originally posted by octavian
MoxiGuy

Thanks for the info.

tnili

I have the MX-700, and it learned the Moxi remote without any problems. I had a couple of buttons that I had to program twice, so you may have to try a couple of times. Good luck.

octavian

I tried learning the buttons that I was having trouble with many times. I tried short taps and long presses on the original remote when learning. The MX-500 always said it learned succesfully. Still, there are some buttons that work unreliably or not at all. For example the MOXI button is one of those that works unreliably. If I jam on it a few times it eventually works but who wants to do that? The down arrow is one that just refuses to work, which is strange because all the other directions work fine. This is pissing me off. I guess I will just have to use the MOXI remote for now.

Here are some more issues that I have encountered since getting the MOXI:

1. Sometimes, you cannot get the FFWD function to stop. I was using the fastest setting to skip through commercials and the MOXI would not respond to any commands like stop, for instance. I had to sit there and wait until MOXI finished FFWD'ing to the end of the program. I am not sure if this is a problem with the remote or the receiver. All I can say is that I was using the original remote which had new batteries installed.

2. When you stop a program mid-way, MOXI does not always let you resume from the place you stopped. I tried different combination of hitting the MOXI button first, then stopping or stopping first and then going into the MOXI menu. I could not find a combination that always worked. When MOXI fails to remember the resume position, you have to start playing the program from the beginning.

3. Sometimes when you try to schedule a series recording, the MOXI will go into an infinite loop, requiring a hard reset. I tried creating a series recording on CBS-HD's US Open Tennis coverage and ran into this twice, back-to-back. I gave up on the third try.

4. Find & Record by category needs to be simplified. When I am looking for football games, there should not be separate entries for Football on CBS, ABC, FOX and ESPN and PPVIEW. The categories should be something like this: NFL, College, High School, etc.

I would like to close on a positive note by saying that it was great being able to record and watch HD broadcasts of Dinosaur and US Open Tennis.

Originally posted by tnili
1. Sometimes, you cannot get the FFWD function to stop. I was using the fastest setting to skip through commercials and the MOXI would not respond to any commands like stop, for instance. I had to sit there and wait until MOXI finished FFWD'ing to the end of the program. I am not sure if this is a problem with the remote or the receiver. All I can say is that I was using the original remote which had new batteries installed.

I experience the same problem. I found that if I hit the Pause button, it will actually respond and go to Pause. Hitting Play does nothing, rewind is hit or miss, but so far on my box, Pause will halt the runaway fast-forward.

It is great to have MoxiGuy actually participate here, and I appreciate his efforts. My experience so far with the BMC9012 with Adelphia hasn't been perfect, but I like the channel guide a LOT better than the 6200 alternative, and of course having DVR is very cool.

It seems like the Moxi has a lot of untapped potential that will hopefully be utilized in upcoming releases.

I like some of the other posters have the Sammy DLP with limited input options. I just run it with both the old HD box and the Moxi. I use the old box for SD stuff and the Moxi only for DVR and HD stuff.

Ultimately I would like to use only the DVI output into my HTPC and run the Sammy with a single DVI input from the HTPC, but it seems like it will be a while before that is a reality.

I just called Adelphia today to get my DVR. They are coming on the 18th to install it. I plan on using my 6200 along with the new DVR.

Do the Moxi and Motorola have different remote or remote codes so they do not interfere with each other?

I'll probably keep both boxes till Moxi makes the DVI and a few other updates available.

I might look into a JVC 40K to record some HD stuff over the firewire from the 6200. Of course I'm still looking at getting a LG LST-3410a for some OTA recording also......

Later,

Jim

hey moxi... when can we expect Moxi plus???

http://www.digeo.com/assets/datasheets/moxiPlus.pdf

The BMC9012 and 6200 boxes use very different remote interfaces. There is no problem with the remotes interacting.

Basically the Moxi unit is all-around better except in a few key areas. Using the 6200 seems to be a temporary solution until the Moxi is upgraded to solve some of the issues.

Originally posted by Tweakrr
The BMC9012 and 6200 boxes use very different remote interfaces. There is no problem with the remotes interacting.

Basically the Moxi unit is all-around better except in a few key areas. Using the 6200 seems to be a temporary solution until the Moxi is upgraded to solve some of the issues.

That's what I was hoping. Thanks for the info. Once they get the DVI active and a few other things I'll probably drop back down to one box.

Jim

Couple issues I have run into..

Everyonce in a while I lose audio. The only thing that will bring it back is to reboot the Moxi!

Recorded the Vikings game Sunday and at 2 hr 29 m it just stops and will not play any further although the time graphs shows about 30 min left. Real bummer to miss the end of a great game like this!

On a daily basis the Moxi defaults back to "Widescreen" setting. I change it to "Letterbox" and within a day or two it will be back on "Widescreen"

I have the same issue with the widescreen thing...I'm guessing that the moxi goes through some kind of udpate or reboot, and then defaults to widescreen instead of saving that setting in memory...

A quick issue about the moxi, it definetely needs some sort of feature when you record a series to just specify a time...I realize its not time based because shows can change times...but some channels, like MTV, if I want to record new episodes of the real world,...the moxi cannot distinguish new episodes from repeats...so it records every instance on that channel of that show...sometimes I'd rather risk missing a show because of a scheduling change, rather than have 20 episodes of a show because there's a marathon on...

Don't like the defaults settings either for 'Record Once' and 'Record Series'...it would be nice if I could change the system's recording defaults...so that everytime I clicked on a show to 'Record Once', it would have the Recording Options I use most...for example, if I hit record once now, it'll default to 'keep 2 days' whereas I like to mark everything as 'keep until space needed', same thing with the 'Record Series' option,...it would be nice to change all the defaults for this, becasue as it stands right now, whenever I want to record something, I have to go into the Record Options screen and toggle everything, and while it only takes a few seconds,...I do like having my default settings saved in there...

The DVR definitely needs a management screen that allows you to delete multiple events at once...I realize that the moxi is supposed to manage my memory for me, but I still like to manage my own recordings so that I don't end up having 50 shows to scroll through...being able to mark several shows for deletion would be very nice.

Furthermore, the DVR screen needs sorting (name-based, time-based would be the two most important), so that I can sort based on when I recorded, or just based on name...

I asked in another thread which HD DVR Adelphia Orange County, CA would use and was told it would likely be a Moxi unit. It took me only a hour (sarcasm!) to confirm that w/ Adelphia.

Questions about Moxi from this Newbie, please.

1. Will any Moxi box offer the same picture quality as does my current Moto 6200? Issues like being able to do non-linear stretches, display the broadcast resolution, and the like are of strong interest. What time frame is likely in terms of my being able to use this capability, or will the picture ever look as good?

2. What do I need to attach an external USB 2.0 HDD to a Moxi box (when the software/firmware permits)? Is this just any external drive? Will this interface (now or then) easily with a PC? Are the necessary drivers available now?

3. Is what is written to the external HDD (or perhaps PC) encoded in all/some/none cases? In any case, can I make DVD copies for my own use? Must they be played back through the Moxi to work?

4. Why don't the Moxi boxes offer Firewire? Did Adelphia not sign the agreement with the FCC in this regard? My interest here is that I'm wondering if all of these boxes will get replaced when Adelphia is bought out, which will almost certainly be before the end of this calendar year.

Again, thanks all for your patience. Learning what's going on at what seems a very late stage is indeed like drinking from a firehose.

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Upcoming software release (planned before end of year) will feature "native-mode pass-trough" That means the BMC9012 will output video at whatever resolution and aspect ratio it is originally transmitted. You can use your TV to apply stretches or upscaling if you wish. With analog signals, the process of encoding them for recording or for pausing "live" TV introduces artifacts. You can read extensive discussions of this elswhere on the forums. Some users split their cable feed and use a direct feed to the antenna port on the TV for analog viewing.
Support for external USB hard drives is planned for a future release. You will not be able to swap the drive from the BMC to your PC to transfer video programs.
We are planning future models with DVD burning built in. Details not available yet.
Future models are planned to have Firewire. FCC agreement doesn't require that all current boxes have firewire, but rather that the cable operator supply a firewire enabled box to any subscriber who asks for it. As for what might happen in the future: I can't predict the policy of an unknown corporate entity. If you consult the past: when cable franchises have changed ownership, the new owners usually keep the existing equipment in place, upgrading it on normal schedules in response to consumer demand as new capabilities (such as HDTV or DVR) are introduced.
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Thanks, MoxiGuy, for the straight answers.

A few clarification questions, please. (Although this is likely annoying, I'm still getting up to speed. Your patience is sincerely appreciated.)

- When the capability is available, can the external HDD connected to a Moxi can be any size and brand including fitting a very large drive to an external HDD case, as long as USB 2.0 is used?

- May more than one external HDD be used, even if cable-plugging is required?

- Will 5400 RPM external hard drives be fast enough?

- Kindly confirm: Moxi is not intended to interface with PC or Mac by any means now or later, at least in current plans.

- My presumption is that cable providers being required to offer Firewire-equipped boxes on request by FCC is satisfied by the availability of such hardware without recorders included. (In my case, just keeping my Moto 6200.) Thus, no worry about changes when Adelphia is bought out.

Again, thanks.

Originally posted by Crabby Guy

- Kindly confirm: Moxi is not intended to interface with PC or Mac by any means now or later, at least in current plans.



Not to preempt Moxiguy, but he has posted that future firmware will allow the Moxi to be linked to a network, enabling the Moxi to retreive (at least) audio and photographic media from the networked machines/drives.

Crabby Guy,

You're asking the right questions about USB add-on drives. We don't have all the answers yet, and that's part of the reason we're not ready to support this. We need to be sure that performance of the drive is sufficient to support simultaneous recording and playback of HD signals. We need to make sure that our scheduler can deal intelligently with the fact that you've added HDD capacity. And just as intelligently deal with the fact that you might remove the extra capacity.

There is a second stage of the FCC requirement for Firewire that kicks in next year--applying to all boxes. We have plans to add Firewire to future models.

MakiC is correct about plans for integrating Moxi with home networks.

What I find really useful with TiVo are the shortcuts, e.g., TiVo-2 for To-Do list, TiVo-4 for record by title, etc. These would be especially helpful for MOXI, where it takes so long to scroll horizontally.

It would also be nice to able to disable certain items in the horizontal menu, e.g., Sports, News, Kids, Intro to MOXI, etc.

Originally posted by MoxiGuy
Crabby Guy,

You're asking the right questions about USB add-on drives. We don't have all the answers yet, and that's part of the reason we're not ready to support this. We need to be sure that performance of the drive is sufficient to support simultaneous recording and playback of HD signals. We need to make sure that our scheduler can deal intelligently with the fact that you've added HDD capacity. And just as intelligently deal with the fact that you might remove the extra capacity.


A suggestion would be to have the box automatically record to the native drive, then program the box to transfer files to the attached drive when there is limited hard drive activity (no scheduled records, other than the one active channel).

Originally posted by MoxiGuy
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Upcoming software release (planned before end of year) will feature "native-mode pass-trough" That means the BMC9012 will output video at whatever resolution and aspect ratio it is originally transmitted. You can use your TV to apply stretches or upscaling if you wish. With analog signals, the process of encoding them for recording or for pausing "live" TV introduces artifacts. You can read extensive discussions of this elswhere on the forums. Some users split their cable feed and use a direct feed to the antenna port on the TV for analog viewing.
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Will the output of the video resolution and aspect ratio in native format mean that the Moxi functions are always bypassed in this mode (i.e. it only applies to Live TV and not recorded programming etc.)? The most annoying thing right now is that I constantly have to switch the Video Output setting from 1080i to 480p and back so that I can view programming without it being stretched/squeezed. Will there be an option so that if you have 1080i selected you can either 1. have your non-1080 signals automatically matted (black bars on the side) if it's being up-rezed OR 2. have non-1080 signals come though at a different resolution of the user's choosing (so that the TV's strertching/upscaling is available).

A side bar question too... I connected the DVI plug in back to my TV, but the signal doesn't come through. It flickers on for a second or two, goes away for 5 seconds, flickers back on for a second or two, etc. Right now I'm using a Monster DVI-D Cable. Is this likely a problem with the box, cable company, DVI cable?

Thanks!
alex

Read the entire thread or at least search it for "DVI".. Moxi/DVI support will be coming..

Alex,
The DVI port is not active on the Moxi DVR at this time. It should be available by years end (hopefully)
Later,
Jim

sundraghan,

Recorded shows and live shows will behave the same way. Moxi always records in native mode, regardless of the output resolution. Here's the way the new HD setup will work. You test each output resolution to see whether you TV can handle it. If you get a picture, say yes. If you don't get a picture, wait and the resolution will switch back to something you can see. At the end of the process, you will have checked off all the possible resolutions that your TV can display. If the native incoming resolution is something you have checked, then Moxi will display at that resolution (whether live or recorded). If not, Moxi will scale it to something your TV can handle.

16:9 stuff comes out 16:9.
4:3 stuff comes out 4:3, and depending on your TV you can watch it with black bars on the side, grey bars, or apply a stretching mode. Moxi won't stretch it. What you see is up to you and your TV at that point.

Hey MoxiGuy,

currently, when I delete programs from the recorded tv menu,...I'm always bounced back to the beginning of the menu. Is this a bug? or is this desired functionality?

In my case, if I want to delete a bunch of programs that are half way through the menu, and I have a long list of recorded shows, I have to keep scrolling to the middle of the menu, instead of just being placed back at the approximate location of where I just deleted a show.

Any ideas on if this might change or not in the future?

Also, I think I may have posted this in another thread, but will there be any of the following functionality with the recorded shows list:

-- Name Sort and Date Sort
-- Ability to delete several items at once

thanks

Moxiguy,

I am one of the first Charter subscribers in St. Louis to get the Moxi BMC9012. It was installed yesterday at noon. 1.5 days has passed and I still do not have anything listed in my Channel List [show names, descriptions, etc].

I have spoken a few times today to Charter techs who stated they were beta-testers of this product. So far they have been unable to resolve this issue.

Do you have any suggestions on how to solve this issue? Thanks

Bruce

Just got my Moxi box today, the Moto BMC. So far pretty good. Issues are similar to what I've read here so far. One strange behavior I just noticed that I haven't found referenced here is that when I am viewing HD channels, the sound effects of the menus goes off but comes back when I tune back to SD channels. The coming features Moxiguy has mentioned will be welcome ones to me (no more stretching and an HDTV filter in the menus particularly)

Additional info on my audio setup is that I run all my audio via optical through a home theater receiver and no audio to the TV itself (a GW III 50inch)

Other quick question, what are the buttons i need to push on the box to bring up the menus the cable installer was reviewing?

Thanks

Creditmaster,

I guess the MOXI sound effects aren't encoded for Dolby Digital - so you can't hear them when watching hi-def with DD audio. To view the install menu, hold down the MENU and OK buttons on the box for a couple seconds.

- Rick -

Originally posted by belsokar
...when I delete programs from the recorded tv menu,...I'm always bounced back to the beginning of the menu. This issue is addressed in the next release (which we expect to reach you in October). When you delete a program, the list will stay in place making it easy to get to the next program. Got your suggestions on sort and group delete. Thanks

Just got a Moxi box from Adelphia here in Los Angeles and have to say I'm not real impressed. The sluggishness and freezing of the menu interface is driving me crazy. For this reason alone I'm thinking of returning the unit and just recording downconverted HD with one of my Replays. I see throughout this thread that menu response has been an ongoing issue, so I would have hoped to see that efforts were directed to solving this problem. Other than the menu problem, the box performs great. A lot of heat tho', I've got three other DVRs and none of them put out the amount of heat that this box does.

Question: I've got a Pioneer Elite PRO-1110HD and I've tried using a DVI to HDMI cable from the Moxi to Pioneer, but I can't get a consistent picture. It cuts in and out and flickers, goes out all together and all I get is sound. Is this problem caused because its not DVI to DVI.

Suggestions:
1. Add the ability to delete categories you don't want to see from the menu, just like you can eliminate channels you don't want.
2. Option to fine tune recordings, like record all episodes but only on certain days, etc.
3. Pass thru the CC rather than having it controlled by the box. With my set I have the option of having the CC come on whenever the Mute button is pressed, but this functionality is completely lost when I now have to controll the CC thru the box.

Originally posted by SKrueger
Is this problem caused because its not DVI to DVI.

DVI is not yet enabled. We expect it by end of year or possibly early 2005.

Originally posted by MoxiGuy
DVI is not yet enabled. We expect it by end of year or possibly early 2005.

Interesting because the Adelphia installation tech told me I had the option of using component or DVI cables. So much for their training program.

I see something strange with my Moxi box. About every 25-30 minutes the bottom ticker will appear for about 5 seconds then go away. We have not trouched the remote at all. Any idea what that is about?


FYI - My channel list still has not updated. Ugh.

Sorry to bring up the DVI issue again, but does that connector
currently not work only because of digital handshake issues?
If I put on a DVI->VGA adapter for an analog video transmission
to my monitor, would that give a steady video signal and not
the choppy signal that others have reported?

I'm input challenged on my monitor right now.

Few questions/comments...

I'm a tech from Madison, WI (charter) and we are starting to beta-test Moxi here. I can live with the crummy SD PQ, and other issues that have been posted here (although it's nice to see that menu speed and such are being worked on).

However, I have had some issues with a faint flicker on anything higher than 480i - If I run SD content at 1080i, there is sometimes a faint background flicker. Very annoying (and mildly seisuring! :) ). If I change resolution to 480i, it goes away. (not a solution I like, but it works). Any ideas what may be causing it? (Heat issues, etc... I don't have the box in a cabinet, although it is sandwiched between two cool components top and bottom. Didn't think it would be an issue, as there was no venting to block.
Finally, about the software updates... Are those pushed/downloaded from the MSO, or do they download directly from you? (When the guide data was described to us, it sounded like we were accessing your servers)

And, one suggestion for when you add in the networking with home PC's - Try to include divx/xvid codecs, and not just mpeg2/mpeg4

Originally posted by abcward
...About every 25-30 minutes the bottom ticker will appear for about 5 seconds then go away. We have not trouched the remote at all. Any idea what that is about? Two questions: What are you watching when this happens? What does the ticker say?

MoxiGuy,

The ticker does this whenever I am watching anything....example: yesterday it was during the NFL games on Fox. The night before it was when we were watching random shows like Nickelodeon, etc.

The ticker says the normal: channel, time, etc.

UPDATE:

My charter cable technician called today and resolved my issue with the Channel List. Everything seems to be in working order now.

I did ask him about the ticker's frequent popups and he stated that I should not see that issue now since my software is now updated and running correctly. He stated that the popups were due to the base software looking at doing automatic updates but was being thwarted by the 'bugs'. No bugs now, so no popups.

Are these units pretty noisy? I can hear mine from 14 feet away with normal tv on. It gets on your nerves a little. Is this usually a fan running or the HD?.
Thanks,
Jim

mine also is louder than my previous Motorola HDTV box, but I guess its the price we pay for more technology...

haven't noticed the noise on mine...and I have one in my bedroom, and I'm pretty sensitive to any sound when I sleep...

Originally posted by belsokar
haven't noticed the noise on mine...and I have one in my bedroom, and I'm pretty sensitive to any sound when I sleep...

No way could I have mine being as loud as it is in my bedroom. It's like having a PC running in the same room.

Jim

Originally posted by motoman
No way could I have mine being as loud as it is in my bedroom. It's like having a PC running in the same room.

Jim

definitely seems to be a problem with some of these boxes,...maybe even alot of these boxes, but I have 2, and don't hear either of them...and these are not large rooms or anything...box is at most 8 feet away in both rooms...with the tv off, complete silence in the room...not a peep out of mine...I'd definitely look into getting a new one if I were you...

I have had my Moxi for a couple weeks now, and we love the parental controls (allows both movie rating AND tv ratings), no more using the "v-chip" in the TV (which isn't always correct).

I do have a suggestion though. When a channel is locked, the title of the show (and rating) can't even be seen. So if my children (13 and 9) want to watch a show that is currently blocked, I can't even look at what is on and make the decision without unlocking it for 4 hours (not good).

Can this be changed in the future so we can see the title and rating?

chad

Hi MoxiGuy:

I am new MoxiUser and I have a problem with recording in BMC9012, I have enable the SAP (Second Audio Program) function on the Moxi box and works very good when watching the programs on the Analog and Digital channels. But the recording is other history.

When I record the digital channels movies, I can switch from English to Spanish and vice versa, but in the case of analog channels there's not none audio (English or Spanish), I reviewed the settings on my TV and it is in stereo sound instead SAP, and I think that the SAP function on the moxi is not working well, because certain channels don't present audio at all, inclusive if try use the language function on the info screen.

I tried disabling the SAP and switching the language when I need it but I an thinking if the Moxi will record the 2 audio channels or only the main.

Thanks for your help

Carlos

I guess there must have been a software update pushed out last night on the Moxi. I now have a new menu category of HD.

Good addition imho.

Originally posted by abcward
I guess there must have been a software update pushed out last night on the Moxi. I now have a new menu category of HD.

Good addition imho.

Well, if will be much better for all if we put the information on our cable company and I don't know if exist a version numbers (firmware or GUI) on the install page that we can register to know what update we have.

To bring the install menu, hold down the MENU and OK buttons on the Moxi box for a couple seconds.

TRADE

I bought a new HDTV Zenith C27V36 and I tried set the remote control following the procedure on the MOXI manual:

Programming by Code

1. Turn on the TV or receiver that you want to control.

2. On the remote control, press and hold the MOXI and OK buttons
simultaneously until the LED light on the top blinks twice.

3. Enter one of the device codes from the reference tables and press OK. The LED will blink
twice. (If the LED blinks once, the code was invalid—try again.)

4. Press the Power button on the remote to test device control.

The problem comes in the step #3, I inputted the code and the LED blinks twice before I press OK button, if I press the OK button the info bar appears. So the code was entered but not confirmed. So I was wondering if I need press another button or the manual has a mistake.

Also I can not set my audio/receiver KLH5000 with this remote.
I know the remote works because the cable installer set up to the old Zenith that I had before.

TRADE

Well I think that this thread is dead, nobody answer or post new stuff.

I have more questions about the Moxi PVR but not answers in here.
I will make a correction to the manual in the Remote Control setup step 3, you don't push the OK button instead need push the POWER button to your code will be accepted. An the LED will blink after acept your entry code.

To Zenith TV the remote codes that apply to new models are the LG Tvs.

TRADE

Mine locked up hard last night while trying to set a recording. Finally had to push the reset on the front of the box to get everything back to normal.

It still bugs me that this box is only good for HD stuff and SD looks terrible. I'm still using my 6200 for everything else. I'm not sure if I'm going to stick it out on the Moxi or not.

Jim

The HD is what makes this worth it to me right now...that and the fact that adelphia is providing most of the HD locals, and being able to record that is key....the box does have its issues,...but until I can get my HD Locals from another source, and have a cheap alternative to recording it (i.e. cheap pvr or lease) then I'll be happy with my moxi...most of my programming comes off the hd locals, so thats good, but you are correct, SD looks horrible, especially on a 55" big screen

I've got my installation set for Friday (Charter Cable, St. Louis).

Based on some previous posts by MoxiGuy, the issue with the quality (or lack thereof) of the analog channels is a result of the analog to digital conversion that the Moxi must do to be able to record the signal to the hard drive. It was stated that this is also a problem in any stand alone Tivo unit. Well, I currently have a stand-alone Tivo unit that I use for all recording (non-hd obviously). The quality on the analogs is not great, but I can live with it. I'm counting on the analog channel quality on the Moxi being similar to the quality on the standalone Tivo. Anyone out there able to compare the two?

I don't have TIVO, but I can compare that my ANALOG TV was fine working with MOXI, but now I am using a HDTV and I saw pixelated the ANALOG LOCAL CHANNELS, that is a problem, but I can live with it.

I have a cable decoder on my kids rooms I will try test on HDTV to seems how worst is the MOXI RF signal.

TRADE

Originally posted by GlendaleHDTV
I've got my installation set for Friday (Charter Cable, St. Louis).

Based on some previous posts by MoxiGuy, the issue with the quality (or lack thereof) of the analog channels is a result of the analog to digital conversion that the Moxi must do to be able to record the signal to the hard drive. It was stated that this is also a problem in any stand alone Tivo unit. Well, I currently have a stand-alone Tivo unit that I use for all recording (non-hd obviously). The quality on the analogs is not great, but I can live with it. I'm counting on the analog channel quality on the Moxi being similar to the quality on the standalone Tivo. Anyone out there able to compare the two?

I have a stand-alone TiVo (Series 2) and just got Moxi installed. I will take a look this weekend to try to give you an idea of the difference in PQ for SD. I will compare live TV and also recordings. To give me a frame of reference, what TiVo recording quality do you usually use?

Separately, can anyone with a Samsung HLP confirm they have the Moxi outputting 720p and get a good picture? Mine will only work on 1080i (which is less preferable since the TV has to convert to 720p, its native resolution). The cable installer (Adelphia in SoCal) told me that he has never seen 720p output work on the Moxi in his installs, but a quick search and review of this thread didn't seem to show anyone else having a problem with 720p output.

I typically record using the "high" quality. As for your Samsung question, I've got the 46" DLP, but I've got the older HLN vs. the HLP. After I get the Moxi installed, I'll let you know if 720P works for me.

Adelphia Los Angeles (Eagle Rock headend)

from 2 way splitter

1st - 75 ohm direct in to DLP HLN5065 PQ as good as analog SD can get; loop signal out of tv & into BMC9012/moxi component out to TV; HD PQ excellent analog SD PQ sucks.

2nd - 75ohm to Tivo svhs out to TV; analog SD PQ ok. Not as good as direct in and not as bad as BMC9012.

Until the BMC has a bigger hard drive all analog SD is recorded on Tivo and HD obviously on BMC.

The analog PQ varies on Adelphia from week to week and channel to channel. Sometimes analog looks almost as good as the previous Moto HD box tuned to the digital tier.

Originally posted by trade
I will make a correction to the manual in the Remote Control setup step 3, you don't push the OK][/Trade. Apologies. Thank you for catching this. The code is accepted as soon as the fourth digit is pressed. That's when the light blinks.

We need to make another change:

The power button will work if you program the remote to your TV, but not if you program it to your audio or AV receiver.

So the instruction to test the code by pressing the power button isn't right.

If you are programming the remote to control an audio receiver, press mute to test whether the code is working.

If you don't find a code listed in the manual for your receiver, you can use the search method:

1-turn on device
2-press & release 9911. LED blinks twice
3-press & release mute button (or power button).
_______ if it works, you're done. (again, pressing OK is unnecessary)
_______ if pressing mute doesn't work, press the up arrow button and try mute again. repeat as necessary.

I have a Moxi and a Replay and the PQ of analog channels on the Replay is much better IMO. Since the Moxi doesn't do native resolution output yet and has a limited hard-drive, all my analog and digital SD recordings are on the Replay.

MoxiGuy,

I use one of the $200 Sony Learning Remotes. I have been able to learn all the codes for the Moxi box....except the Power Button itself.

Any suggestions?

abcward,

Fuggedaboutit. The power button doesn't control the BMC9012. It's there for convenience--to be programmed to turn your TV on and off. Go ahead and teach your learning remote how to turn your TV on and off by other means.

MoxiGuy

I want to know what type of control remote is inside of Moxi, I have a UEI Atlas 5 PVR remote control and I try setup with the Motorola and GI CATV decorders codes and did not works, additionaly this control secuency use the Power button to test the code.

I want to have one control to my DVD, TV, AUDIO and MOXI box, but really it not appears what remote control have inside of the box.

Additionaly do you have any information about the SAP bug that I described before in this thread. If I not actived the SAP on the Moxi seems that the program only record one main audio and the second one (language option) no appears more when try play to watch recorded series.

TRADE

Originally posted by MoxiGuy
abcward,

Fuggedaboutit. The power button doesn't control the BMC9012. It's there for convenience--to be programmed to turn your TV on and off. Go ahead and teach your learning remote how to turn your TV on and off by other means.

My remote is set up for all my other units. I just wanted to tie up that last end. But really, no biggie...I'll probably never turn off my Moxi anyways!

Thanks again

abcward

I don't want shutdown the Moxi too, only want control it with my Universal remote, supposely the Motorola boxes can be control with this PVR remote controls, but seems that Moxi is a world apart.

TRADE

trade,

are you saying that you want to control your Moxi with a Universal Remote?

Well, Yes but is not a common Universal Remote this model is the Atlas DVR/PVR remote that is made by UEI and works with the Motorola DCT6412 and TIVO. I got one from Cox and have the same buttons to LIST and manage the menu of DVR/PVR devices. I put a link to the site of the Atlas DVR Remote (http://www.uei.com/products/cable/atlas_dvr.html)

I think that will be better have one control to all my devices. And only need some clue about what remote code is the Moxi compatible.

TRADE

If that remote is a 'learning' remote then it should be able to learn any code. My remote is that variety and simply by pointing the two remotes together and hitting the appropriate button, my remote instantly gets the moxi remotes codes.

http://www.remotecentral.com is a fantastic site for information on any/all remote controls.

Abcman

Thanks for the suggest site, but seems that the experts have the same problem that us,
see the topic about this IR code/help for motorola hd pvr (http://www.remotecentral.com/cgi-bin/mboard/rc-touch/thread.cgi?keywords=666&highlight=bmc9012), so we need help from Motorola or Adelphia to know what will be the remote technology used inside the Moxi.

TRADE

Originally posted by abcward
If that remote is a 'learning' remote then it should be able to learn any code. My remote is that variety and simply by pointing the two remotes together and hitting the appropriate button, my remote instantly gets the moxi remotes codes.

http://www.remotecentral.com is a fantastic site for information on any/all remote controls.

That's all and good if you spend the $200+ for a remote with a large capacity learn-space. My remote (RS 15-1994, and the majority of the OFA/sub-$100 remotes) can only learn about 15-20 of the keys from the moxi remote. Not nearly enough to be able to ditch it altogether.

MrBeetle,

I do understand your pain. However there are some decent learning remotes at around $100 that can do the trick as well. Honestly I went thru a ton of different inexpensive remotes. They could always do "most" of my components but never all of them. At the time it was very difficult to drop $200 on a remote, but since then I have never been sorry that I did. That remote learns everything....almost to the point of brewing me beer on command...

Originally posted by abcward
I see something strange with my Moxi box. About every 25-30 minutes the bottom ticker will appear for about 5 seconds then go away. We have not trouched the remote at all. Any idea what that is about?


FYI - My channel list still has not updated. Ugh.

I get this too. It happens whenever the program changes. I have had it since it was installed last week. I assume when you say ticker you actually mean the progam flip bar. (the ticker being a future feature that i don't think most of us have yet)

I noticed this too, and is very curious because theres not any setting to avoid it.
Also I notice on the front panel of the box there is a button (first one to the left) without label, somebody know what is its function.

TRADE

Originally posted by trade
Also I notice on the front panel of the box there is a button (first one to the left) without label, somebody know what is its function.

TRADE

If you hold it down 10-15 seconds the unit reboots.

Just got hooked up with a Moxi box today...

Man, I hope that native mode passthru is coming soon. This is by far my biggest complaint with it.:(

Had the moxi installed yesterday (Charter-St. Louis). So far so good. Analog PQ better than expected, at least as good as the analog PQ on my standalone Tivo for the analog channels I need to watch (roughly 30 and above).

Menu performance a little sluggish/inconsistent but not too bad.

Native passthrough - I'm confused. From reading on here, my expectation was that with the video output set to 1080i, all non-hd programming would be stretched, and you would not be able to control the aspect ratio with the TV. I was under the impression that to watch 4:3 content with bars on the side, I would have to manually go in and change the output setting on the moxi to 480i (or p). I was pleasantly surprised to find that this is not the case. With output set to 1080i, I can still switch the aspect ratio on my Samsung DLP between normal (black bars) and wide. Is the issue that when watching 4:3 content in the "normal" mode (with moxi output set to 1080i), it's actually not OAR since the picture has been stretched by the moxi, and then stretched back by the TV?

Originally posted by GlendaleHDTV
[With output set to 1080i, I can still switch the aspect ratio on my Samsung DLP between normal (black bars) and wide. Is the issue that when watching 4:3 content in the "normal" mode (with moxi output set to 1080i), it's actually not OAR since the picture has been stretched by the moxi, and then stretched back by the TV? Yep. Some TV models can squeeze a 16:9 picture down to 4:3. The Samsung remote as a button that lets you cycle through various aspect-ratio settings.

Oh, and Mayor:... soon, yes. But it's not in the very next release. It's the one after that.

The band at the bottom of the screen that pops up on the half-hour, is our flip bar. It has basic show information. In the next release, coming very soon, You'll see it wen you first start a playback or first tune to a channel. After that, it won't pop up by itself. You'll be able to bring it up while watching live TV or a playback by pressing an arrow button or the info button. If you want to put it away early, press the clear button

MoxiGuy,
Is there a way to see what firmware or software version is on our boxes? Should they all be the same or can different areas have different versions?
Thanks
Jim

Question for Moxiguy or anyone else with an answer.

Finally got the Adelphia Moxi box installed last week. The aspect changing is not the problem I thought it would be--only a minor hassle.

However, all analog channels are "zoomed" into the upper left. (Baseball yesterday had the Fox logo bar only about 75% of origional size)

I have a 4:3 Sony HD ready set. I"ve tried changing the moxi-box setting to 480p and 480i, and the widescreen settings to all available, but the analog picture will not unzoom.

Any suggestions?

Thanks

Sorry but another question for MoxiGuy....
How loud should one of these units be? I can hear mine running from 14 feet away and sometimes even hear it during tv watching. I asked this elsewhere and some people never hear theirs but mine is getting on my nerves.
Thanks,
Jim

Originally posted by motoman
MoxiGuy,
Is there a way to see what firmware or software version is on our boxes? Should they all be the same or can different areas have different versions?
Thanks
Jim

In the box push the MENU and OK buttons at the same time and you will see the diagnostic screens, navigate through them and you will get the software and firmware version on your Moxi box.

About the noise, you have the ear very sensible or your Moxi's fan is not working softly, I can't not hear any sound from the box.

TRADE

Please ignore my post from yesterday. Problem has since corrected itself.

Originally posted by SKrueger
If you hold it down 10-15 seconds the unit reboots.

Are you refering to the RESET button? I am referring to the first button on the button bar before to the MENU button. This don't have label and if I press nothing happen.
The RESET button if works to reboot the unit.

TRADE

Originally posted by trade
first button on the button bar before to the MENU button. This don't have label and if I press nothing happen.

That button does nothing on this model. On versions with an optical drive (for DVDs,and CDs), that button will be labeled eject and it will open the tray.

Originally posted by trade
I think that the SAP function on the moxi is not working well
Carlos,
We have a known issue: Some channels have no audio when SAP is enabled from the Moxi service. I'll keep you posted on progress on this one.

Originally posted by cyost
...I can't even look at what is on and make the decision without unlocking it for 4 hours (not good)...
Thanks for the suggestion. We'll consider it for a future release. In the meantime... you can cut short the 4-hour unlocked timer by going to the Parental Controls card under Settings and turning the controls back on manually. (We hide the titles in case parents are recording shows that they'd rather their kids not know about.)

Originally posted by MoxiGuy
Thanks for the suggestion. We'll consider it for a future release.

Another suggestion, if you don't mind. How about passing through the Closed Captioning so we can control it trhough our sets rather than having to turn it on and off through the moxi unit.

I give up... I am switching providers and going with a SA8000HD. At least give it a try and see if I like it more then the Moxi.

Moxi issues:
- HD recording capacity: needs more space!
- Menu: WAY to slow, should not even be released like this!!!!!
- IR: Trouble getting universal remote to work.
- Native pass-though: 4:3 content is up-converted and stretch. Real pain to switch between formats!
- GUI: Don't like the Moxi interface. Prefer a conventional chart layout.
- No indictor for hard drive space.
- Bugs: Lots of bugs... Audio problems and recorded show failures.

Probably others I cannot think of but right now..

Other reasons to switch providers (back to Astound)..
No DiscoveryHD
No CinimaxHD
Still no ABCHD and CBSHD (same with Astound)
Standard cable box for regular TV is lame.
I also think Charter HD lacks quality in comparision to Astound or OTA. They must be reducing bitrate to increase bandwidth..

How often do software updates come down to these boxes (not channel listings which i understand are nightly). Charter said monthly. So has one come already in October or is it forthcoming?

I know we had a software update recently that added the HD Category...

Who decides when and what updates we get? The cable provider or Digeo development?

Final decision about when to push an update to subscribers rests with the cable operator. The updates are not on a timed schedule. There is currently an update that is in the process of final deployment. You'll know you have it when you see an HD category on the menu (it falls between Favorite Channels and Movies).

MoxiGuy,

Quick question - On the Channel List, I can see whats on for the next few hours for each channel. On the Movie List, Kids List, Sports List, etc... I cannot see anything beyond the current show. That stinks when its 5 minutes before the hour and you are looking for whats on next.

Is this being dealt with on a future upgrade?

Thanks

Originally posted by abcward
MoxiGuy,

Quick question - On the Channel List, I can see whats on for the next few hours for each channel. On the Movie List, Kids List, Sports List, etc... I cannot see anything beyond the current show. That stinks when its 5 minutes before the hour and you are looking for whats on next.

Is this being dealt with on a future upgrade?

Thanks

Just to piggyback this one a bit,...in the moxi user's manual on the digeo site,...when using the flip bar, it shows the next 3 shows as part of the flip bar...Is this something that needs to be activated somehow? is it future functionality? My current flip bar only shows the current show and channel names...I realize I can use the right arrow on the remote to browse the upcoming shows...but I thought the description on the digeo site was quite handy in that I could just flip through the channels real quick and get a sense of the upcoming shows without having to browse each one.

Originally posted by MoxiGuy
Final decision about when to push an update to subscribers rests with the cable operator. The updates are not on a timed schedule. There is currently an update that is in the process of final deployment. You'll know you have it when you see an HD category on the menu (it falls between Favorite Channels and Movies). That's the one I know is due to come, we just haven't gotten it yet in Mankato MN i guess. Thanks

Updates do not come often enough! With all the small bugs I would think they would push out more small updates to resolve issues and maybe once a month for feature updates.

Another stupid issue with Moxi..
When in the Channel List you cannot see a discription or entire channel name so when trying to remove music channels from the list it is impossible to tell what each one is unless you refer to a paper guide.. DUMB!!! I think I recall this happening somewhere else too..

Maybe in a year or two when all the bugs are worked out I will consider a Moxi again but I assume Moxi will never use or have an option to use a stardard chart style guide listing so maybe not..

HD Catagory should be a nice addition.. Does it show if a program is actual HD or SD?

Originally posted by belsokar
Just to piggyback this one a bit,...in the moxi user's manual on the digeo site,...when using the flip bar, it shows the next 3 shows as part of the flip bar....

i remember seeing that graphic too...i hope the question gets answered.

An observation if i might. I am surprised by the harshness of some of the criticisms of Moxi posted here. I am a bit of a perfectionist myself but the current functionality and the near term tweaks coming to Moxi is fairly astounding to me. Part of the reason I think has to do with those who compare Moxi to TiVo or Reply perhaps. I have never used the last 2 products so I have no comparison to make. I compare my Moxi experience to the TV Guide built in to my last Motorolla 5100 box. When you compare this, Moxi's guide i feel is far sleeker and not ugly like that one is. Plus with all the ads in the TV Guide software, even though it is a grid you only can see :30 at a time. The Moxi GUI is a significant upgrade to me. One minor thing with the Moxi guide is that it shows the channel number and the network logo but not the call letters of the particular station. I have 2 local ABCs so i see 2 logos and their number but to see the station letters i have to be tuned to the station and pull up the flipbar.

Just some thoughts
thanks

interactive program guides (ipg) like TV Guide are a different category. moxi is correctly grouped with TiVo and Replay because they are DVRs.

Originally posted by Creditmaster
An observation if i might. I am surprised by the harshness of some of the criticisms of Moxi posted here. I am a bit of a perfectionist myself but the current functionality and the near term tweaks coming to Moxi is fairly astounding to me. Part of the reason I think has to do with those who compare Moxi to TiVo or Reply perhaps.

I think you hit exact on. I'd say that, while heavily expanding. HD has just gotten out of (or maybe is at the final end of) the early adopter phase. But those same early adopters for the most part probably had DVR's as early adopters also. I know I got my first DVR as a pre-order for Replay's first released model (still working perfectly). I've now got 3 Replays. That said, DVR technology is now well established and I think people were expecting a more polished product than was delivered. Kind of like buying a car and getting the chassis delivered, but the rest of it is being built piece by piece.

I know when I first got my unit, I was ready to call Adelphia to come pick it up the next day. I'm learning to work with it. Still really hate the interface, but I can work with it. The sluggish and freezing of the menu is a whole other unacceptable thing, but they say they are working on it. I'll give it some time and see. I think they are trying to do their best.

http://www.instat.com/abstract.asp?id=39&sku=in0401193mb

Interactive Program Guides (IPGs) are becoming the entertainment portal for TV viewers, and In-Stat/MDR expects the worldwide IPG market value to grow to nearly $1 Billion (US) by 2008. The high-tech market research firm reports that IPGs will be the "killer application" for enhanced interactive television services. IPGs will help end-users to find a TV program, movie or sporting event from among listings of thousands of available options, and then make it easy for them to select the program for viewing, tag it with a reminder for later, or even set up a recording to capture the show for time-shifting on a Personal Video Recorder. ... (for more follow link above)

I was about ready to drop the Moxi and get some way to record OTA HD. The more I read about all the problems associated with doing this made me think twice about giving up the Moxi unit.

My biggest gripes on the Moxi are.

Just scrolling across the menus it should not pause and try and look at that menu, ie: Pay Per View. Fix it so you can quickly scroll past it to where you want to go then select it and bring up the channels or menu.

Native pass through (coming soon)

No DVI (coming soon)

Larger hard drive.

Hopefully I'll end up with a unit that isn't as noisy as the one I have now.

Overall I'm pretty happy being able to record my prime time HD shows and Leno in HD every night. Plus there is no big purchase and if it takes a big dump I just call up cable to bring me another unit.

This is my first DVR so some of the little quirks don't bother me as much as people who have used other boxes.

Just keep the updates and fixes coming and I'll stick with it.

Later,

Jim

Originally posted by SKrueger
DVR technology is now well established and I think people were expecting a more polished product than was delivered.

Given this I honestly think that the slowness of the menu response and more importantly the extreme lack of storage space are two issues that are just plain unacceptable. Yes, there are a number of UI tweaks that probably could have been addressed before its release but I think they are relatively minor compared to the speed and storage issues.

Granted, I think we really should be much further along with DVR technology but between the xxAAs and other fun bits of DRM technology they just keep screwing the pooch.

I just received the software update!

Anyhow, I’ve played around with it for a few minutes and made a list of improvements I’ve found so far:

• Menu navigation is 500% faster! (You don’t have to wait for the menu to fully load anymore before switching to another)
• The menus generally load a lot faster
• When changing to a new channel, the status bar at the bottom now has the nifty ‘what’s playing next’ thing (You can arrow over to it, and go up and down, just like in the channels menu)
• Shows scheduled to record are noted in the ‘On Next’ screen in the channel list (and now at the info bar at the bottom) to the right of the show title with an open blue circle
• It’s a lot easer to delete programs now because after you click delete the first time, the ‘yes, delete’ option in the next screen is selected by default
• There’s a new ‘HDTV’ menu
• There’s a new little effect when moving around. The little white arrow has an orange one that moves from behind it in the direction of the desire
• Menu’s seems to have more of an emphasized ‘fade in’ effect
• When you push channel + or – in the channel list, It makes a ‘bling’ noise

I still don’t understand why they can’t re-encode the ‘bleeps’, ‘blings’, and ‘bloops’ so I can listen to them while watching something with dolby digital sound.

Overall it’s a pretty nice improvement. I understand that the major software updates take a while to test and what not, but at the same time it would be nice to see smaller bug fixes more frequently.

Just in case you’re wondering, I didn’t automatically receive the software update; I triggered the software update feature from the diagnostics screen.

I disagree.. As a computer technician I accept bugs and stupid problems with my computers but when I want to sit down and watch TV on a dedicated system that was designed for ONE purpose only, to watch TV, I expect it to work as it should without having to reboot or wait 5-10 seconds for the menu to work.

I have no comparison to TIVO or Replay as I have never owned one. Also on the note the TV Guide GUI I find that although it looks VERY nice it does not work as well as a standard TV Guide interface found on alot cable boxes. OK the stardard Charter cable box sucks too but that's another reason I am going back to Astound. When looking a TV Guide I like to be able to see what is on for the next few hours in a glance not by scrolling to each channel.

Anyways I had high hopes for Moxi and if they ever resolve all the bugs the Moxi guide would be a fairly minor issue.

Give it try and decide for yourself

Originally posted by Creditmaster
An observation if i might. I am surprised by the harshness of some of the criticisms of Moxi posted here. I am a bit of a perfectionist myself but the current functionality and the near term tweaks coming to Moxi is fairly astounding to me. Part of the reason I think has to do with those who compare Moxi to TiVo or Reply perhaps. I have never used the last 2 products so I have no comparison to make. I compare my Moxi experience to the TV Guide built in to my last Motorolla 5100 box. When you compare this, Moxi's guide i feel is far sleeker and not ugly like that one is. Plus with all the ads in the TV Guide software, even though it is a grid you only can see :30 at a time. The Moxi GUI is a significant upgrade to me. One minor thing with the Moxi guide is that it shows the channel number and the network logo but not the call letters of the particular station. I have 2 local ABCs so i see 2 logos and their number but to see the station letters i have to be tuned to the station and pull up the flipbar.

I am also in Southern California and I tried to force DL the update, but the Moxi Box was taking too long to DL and I had to go to work.

How long did it take to do the actual DL for you?

Originally posted by iamtext
I just received the software update!

Anyhow, I’ve played around with it for a few minutes and made a list of improvements I’ve found so far:

• Menu navigation is 500% faster! (You don’t have to wait for the menu to fully load anymore before switching to another)
• The menus generally load a lot faster
• When changing to a new channel, the status bar at the bottom now has the nifty ‘what’s playing next’ thing (You can arrow over to it, and go up and down, just like in the channels menu)
• Shows scheduled to record are noted in the ‘On Next’ screen in the channel list (and now at the info bar at the bottom) to the right of the show title with an open blue circle
• It’s a lot easer to delete programs now because after you click delete the first time, the ‘yes, delete’ option in the next screen is selected by default
• There’s a new ‘HDTV’ menu
• There’s a new little effect when moving around. The little white arrow has an orange one that moves from behind it in the direction of the desire
• Menu’s seems to have more of an emphasized ‘fade in’ effect
• When you push channel + or – in the channel list, It makes a ‘bling’ noise

I still don’t understand why they can’t re-encode the ‘bleeps’, ‘blings’, and ‘bloops’ so I can listen to them while watching something with dolby digital sound.

Overall it’s a pretty nice improvement. I understand that the major software updates take a while to test and what not, but at the same time it would be nice to see smaller bug fixes more frequently.

Just in case you’re wondering, I didn’t automatically receive the software update; I triggered the software update feature from the diagnostics screen.

It took a good 8 minutes for it to download the updated software/firmware, and maybe 4 minutes to update the firmware and reboot.

I'm assuming you used the trigger events page in the diagnostic menu to get the software update. Did you just put a check mark next to the "trigger software update" and then exit the menu?

On a side note, I have found that I get a lot of glitches in HD recordings when the UI(menu) is enabled. When I stop watching TV I make sure that the UI is not enabled so HD recordings are watchable. Only problem is that the Moxi seems to enable the UI on its own. 70% of the time when I turn on the TV the UI has enabled itself and some of my recordings are messed up. I found that if I leave the Moxi on a SD or SA channel when I am not watching, I have far less glitches in my HD recordings.

Moxiguy
I have the Moxi configured to 1080i. Every few days it defaults back to 480i and I have to change it back. This is my second Moxi unit and I don't remember this happening on the previous unit. Is there a way to make the 1080i setting stick?

octavian

Originally posted by octavian
I'm assuming you used the trigger events page in the diagnostic menu to get the software update. Did you just put a check mark next to the "trigger software update" and then exit the menu?

Once I pushed the ‘OK’ button while ‘trigger software update’ was highlighted, it did the rest. (downloaded the software, updated the firmware, and rebooted)

Originally posted by octavian
On a side note, I have found that I get a lot of glitches in HD recordings when the UI(menu) is enabled. When I stop watching TV I make sure that the UI is not enabled so HD recordings are watchable. Only problem is that the Moxi seems to enable the UI on its own. 70% of the time when I turn on the TV the UI has enabled itself and some of my recordings are messed up. I found that if I leave the Moxi on a SD or SA channel when I am not watching, I have far less glitches in my HD recordings.

Also, it seems that the software update fixes this problem too. Before, when I turned on the T.V. the next day, the info bar was at the bottom, but now its not there.

Originally posted by octavian
On a side note, I have found that I get a lot of glitches in HD recordings when the UI(menu) is enabled. When I stop watching TV I make sure that the UI is not enabled so HD recordings are watchable. Only problem is that the Moxi seems to enable the UI on its own.

MoxiGuy said here (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=4348650#post4348650) that the next update (presumably this one) would automatically time out of the UI. No word on the pixelation issues - I've got them too and it's incredibly annoying.

- Rick -

I started the process as you describe below, but I had to go to work and couldn't wait. Now, I can't wait to get home to see if there is anything new to play with.


Originally posted by octavian
I'm assuming you used the trigger events page in the diagnostic menu to get the software update. Did you just put a check mark next to the "trigger software update" and then exit the menu?

i tried it but to no avail...either i need to try again or charter hasn't made it available yet

I went into the menu and triggered the software update and it took about 10 minutes to download and reboot. It now has the updated HD menu and program bars.

Menu movement does seem allot faster just moving around. Will play around with it more later on.

Jim

I got home and noticed that we have the upgrade (after my promting it this morning). It appears that it is limited to Southern California Adelphia from the posts.

In addition to the speed of the menus, I have noticed the HD selection and most importantly, NO AUDIO PROBLEMS. The audio skips that I have been experiencing no longer seem to be a problem.

The Adelphia subscribers in the SoCal market are getting the update now. New Charter subs in St. Louis have it. Charter subs in other markets, patience. It's coming soon. Two points:[list=1]
You don't have to do anything to get it. It's controlled from the cable company.
There's nothing you can do to force it from your end before your local cable company has released it to your market.
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Is there anything that requires a cable company to push an update? My local adelphia (socal - thousand oaks) seems to be a little backwards most of the time...I can see them not caring or not bothering to push any updates...just wondering...

Okay, I'm impressed. Good work on this update, digeo. Menus are much more responsive and some of the UI tweaks are great - especially the scheduled to record indicator and the improved flip bar.

The only problem is I'm so used to hitting arrow up, ok to confirm deletion I've got to retrain myself now.

Went home last night to force the update and Adelphia had already sent it to me.

This update is a big improvement. The UI is much more responsive. And best of all, using the UI doesn't cause the HD signal to be corrupted anymore.:) Hopefully this update will fix the Moxi losing my 1080i setting.

Moxiguy
One new thing that I don't understand. I tried to set the Moxi to record a program last night and it brought up a menu that said it had to delete recorded shows to "make room" for the new show. But I only had 3 hours of recorded shows(HD) so there should have been plenty of room left. I have lots of upcoming shows to record, but they're spread out over a week. I canceled the recording because I did not want to take the chance of it deleting the recorded shows.

What does this menu do? Is it just a "warning" that you have more shows in the recording queue than space, and when space is needed in the future it will delete shows on its own. Or does it make you delete shows at that moment. And if so, do you choose which shows will be deleted, or does it just delete shows on its own.


Thanks for all the hard work.

octavian

My unit got the update Tuesday night on its own. i think Moxi just got themselves a bunch of good karma as it is a night and day difference in the menu speeds! The little added features are nice (is there anything that was missed in the post above) but overall I am most pleased with the responsiveness of the menu. Thanks!

On another note...
Originally posted by octavian

I tried to set the Moxi to record a program last night and it brought up a menu that said it had to delete recorded shows to "make room" for the new show. But I only had 3 hours of recorded shows(HD) so there should have been plenty of room left.

I have had this happen to me a few times as well. It will even happen if I go to edit the recording options for a series already set to record to lessen the amount of shows that I want the unit to record. I have already had it delete shows I marked as "keep until I delete" because of this and it is a but frustrating.

Any news on expanding the storage yet?

expanding storage will be key to me sticking with this technology (that and the high def offered by my local adelphia)...80% of everything i record is high def, and its been incredibly hard for me to watch everything right away,...plus I am unable to archive anything really since 1 hour of high definition takes up about 10% of the internal storage...

once we are able to add external drives, being able to tack on an external 250GB drive will be great...i have two moxi's at home...and while I record alot of the same stuff on both, it will be a nice feature if I can just take an external drive and plug it into my second moxi and watch the shows recorded to the external drive...

Originally posted by octavian
I tried to set the Moxi to record a program last night and it brought up a menu that said it had to delete recorded shows to "make room" for the new show. But I only had 3 hours of recorded shows(HD) so there should have been plenty of room left. I have lots of upcoming shows to record, but they're spread out over a week. I canceled the recording because I did not want to take the chance of it deleting the recorded shows.

I've noticed a related issue (at least with the old firmware - haven't checked the new firmware yet) - I can't set a show to Keep until I delete. Everytime I try, it tells me it will have to cancel a series recording that's almost a week away. The logic is probably right and this is probably mostly a symptom of the anemic drive size, but it's really annoying. I just want to make sure I keep one show - I know if I keep it some other shows might need to be deleted early, but I'll probably watch those the same day they air anyway, so in reality there most likely will be enough space. I'm not a free space meter advocate per-say, but there ought to be a better way to handle this.

I have an SA tivo as well, and it's never told me I couldn't mark a program KUID. I think maybe Tivo's logic might delete shows marked keep x days early to solve this problem (of course the show size / drive size ratio is a lot lower with the tivo too).

To keep a show on the moxi, I have to tell it every couple of days to keep for 4 days. Kind of defeats the purpose of KUID. I'm starting to really dislike yellow exclaimation marks.

These rave reviews of the software update have me salivating until it comes to Charter....An additional clarification to my earlier posts about my overall satisfaction with Moxi so far also has to do with the fact that I have never had any of the freeze up/reboot problems I have read about from other users. I have had the Moto BMC less than a month.

went home for lunch today, checked the moxi, and there was the update! Don't have anything new to really say, but I'll say a little anyways...I didn't have much time to play around, but I definitely pulled up the moxi menu and scrolled back and forth very smoothly...my wife will be happy about that, this annoyed her more than anything probably...

I played around with the flipbar's new functionality as well (dispalying the next 3 programs)...the flip bar looks a little bigger to accomodate this (can't tell for sure), but it is definitely a great feature...now you can scroll quickly through channels and tell what's coming on without having to browse over on each channel...

I'll definitely post any other findings I have later...I record alot of programming on thursday nights...so I'm sure I'll notice if alot of the problems I'm used to seeing are gone...

I would like to add though that I'm quite impressed with the moxi/digeo team...I come from dish network, who I was quite happy with their dvr...and while there is still some functionality missing in the moxi that would be great to have...I do like that they appear to be taking note of any and all issues, and releasing on a regular schedule...my dvr with dish network had major issues for probably 8-10 months before we saw any kind of fix...so Good Job Digeo!!! :)

Now all I really want is to pass throught the base (480i) resolutions on SD channels so my TV can handle it (in lieu of the box). Moxiguy said that it should be in the next software release. Now I am anxious (but willing to wait the few months).

One question for Moxiguy:

When the 480i resolution programming is passed through to the TV, is that going to change the appearance of the menus or flipbar? When I decrease the resolution on the box to 480i (from 1080i) I note that the text in the flipbar becomes pixelated and ugly. With the proposed change, is only the programming going to be passed through, with the Moxi software "stuff" remaining at the higher resolutions?

Thanks

CMaki

Thanks to you all for the kind words about this update, on behalf of the Moxi development team and the folks at Adelphia and Charter who are all working together to bring this service to you.

Here's a rundown of the key changes. (Many of which have already been discovered and posted.)

As I've mentioned before, you’ll know you have the upgrade when the Moxi Menu includes a new HDTV card between Favorite Channels and Movies. This is the first of several releases in the pipeline. It addresses many of the issues raised in these forums. (We're planning to address others in subsequent releases.)

Here’s a rundown of what’s in this release (as well as some of the known issues we're still working on).
General Performance

Enhancements Channel tuning performance: Made improvements to channel tuning performance on the BMC9012
Stability: Overall system stability was improved.
Known Issues Cold-Start performance: If the system is inactive for a prolonged period, there is a delay in response to the first remote command. After the first command, the remote operates normally.
Menu Performance: The menu may respond slowly when simultaneously viewing an HDTV program and recording another HDTV program.

Audio Visual Quality, Performance, & Settings

Enhancements HD Video Quality: Further improvements were made to eliminate the occasional video pixilation and glitches.
Widescreen Setting: Corrected issue that caused the system to lose changes to this setting and revert back to widescreen.
Known Issues Performance: Occasional minor audio or video glitches may occur while watching one HD channel and simultaneously recording another HD channel.
Analog Audio: There have been a few reports of boxes receiving analog audio only on one tuner. If this occurs, reset the box by pressing the power/reset button on the front of the box for about four seconds
DVI: DVI is not fully enabled in this release.
Video Output Settings: Cropped mode in the widescreen setting only works when the video output mode is set to 480i
Digital Music Channels: During menu transitions, such as when invoking Moxi Menu, a momentary audio drop out on music channels may be experienced.
SAP: Some channels have no audio when SAP is enabled from the Moxi service.
Moxi Menu

Enhancements

Find By Title/Keyword: Addressed the issue where if Find by Title or Find by Keyword is idle for 15 minutes, it automatically closes and then it cannot be reopened.
Shows listed in search results now include recording icons where applicable.
Various performance enhancements, including the ability to navigate letters while search results populate.
Find by Category: Updated to include both categories and subcategories. Categories include listings for 24 hours, while subcategories include listings for the entire time span available (~2 weeks).
Favorites: In previous releases, after clearing all Favorites, the list did not repopulate until the user changed the channel. Now the current channel is added to the list after three minutes
New “About Favorites” information note provides tips.
The Favorites list now includes recorded shows and excludes channels blocked by Parental Control settings.
Resolved issue where scheduling recording from the Favorites list would disable the vertical navigation of the list.
On Next Menu: Shows in the On Next menu now consistently display the Scheduled to Record icon where applicable.
Channel Categories: A High Definition category has been added.
Recorded TV: When deleting a show from the list, focus no longer shifts to the top of the list.
Time-out behavior: After 30 minutes of inactivity, the screen no longer dims back. Instead, the media playing in the Mini-TV goes to full screen.
Remote: The back button on the remote functions as an alternative to clicking OK on the Back card. See Known Issues for additional information.
The stop button on the remote now stops playback of a recorded program and leaves a bookmark to allow viewers to resume from that point in the show.
Parental Controls: On rare occasions, the wrong rating was being displayed to the user, resulting in confusion over whether the locks were working. This has been improved.
Known Issues

Parental Controls: In rare cases, a frame from a blocked channel can be seen moving from the blocked channel to an unblocked channel.
If you lock a channel that is currently tuned, and then exit Parental Controls by pressing the Live TV button, the tuned channel will not be locked.
Favorites: If you have locked a channel with Parental Controls, and that channel is also a Favorite channel, some of your unlocked Favorite channels may not display in the Favorites list, and you may see blank items in the list.
Remote: Using the Play button on the remote to start a recorded show does not work if the show is currently recording.

Flip Bar

Enhancements On Next: Added an area of the Flip Bar to display the next three upcoming shows on a given channel, similar to the On Next menu.
Channel Change: Resolved the situation where the Flip Bar erroneously displayed information from a previously viewed channel.
Fit and Finish: Removed the automatic appearance of the Flip Bar at the top and bottom of the hour.

DVR

Enhancements Playback: Resolved the occasional issue where the video unexpectedly jumps back 30 minutes while in Play mode.
Bookmark: Resolved the issue where a partially viewed program did not offer a “Resume” option if it had been stopped by pressing stop on the remote.
Playback Controls: When fast-forwarding or rewinding, the video no longer returns to live TV unexpectedly.
The playback bar is now displaying correctly and reporting the proper information.
Repeated Episodes: To prevent duplicate recordings of episodes, recording is based on the episode title and description. If no broadcaster information exists, the show may be recorded repeatedly.
View Upcoming: Under Series Options the View Upcoming option now works.
Keep/Delete note: Corrections made to prevent the keep or delete note from appearing before the end of the actual program when fast-forwarding near the end of the program. Also, corrected display options for this situation.
Paused recording timeout to live TV: When live or recorded content is paused for more than 30 minutes, playback will resume to avoid screen burn-in. For HDTV, playback will resume after 10 minutes.
Expiration of recorded shows: Recorded shows will now expire before offering scheduled shows for early expiration. In addition, already expired shows will not be deleted until space is actually required for a recording.
Recording options: Keep until: Made improvements to ensure that changes a user made to the “keep until” date setting are no longer lost.
Episode limit: Changing the episode limit of a show was not always saved. This has been fixed.
Cancelled & Deleted: Shows that were not recorded or were cancelled because of a priority setting were incorrectly reported as not recorded because of a conflict. This has fixed.
Scheduled to Record: Corrections were made so cancelled single shows are now removed instead of being rescheduled.
Recording options: All recording options are now available on single scheduled shows.
Episode limit default: Increased the default episode limit for series recordings from three to five episodes.
Recorded TV sort order: Recorded shows now sort correctly, first by alpha (title), and then by date/time recorded.
Pay-Per-View (PPV) block recording: PPV block recording is now available.
Known Issues Recording about to start: If a show is scheduled to record one minute or less before it airs, then the TV may not switch to the scheduled channel for recording.
Recording non-existent channel: If the user attempts to record a show on a channel not on the channel map, or not subscribed to, the video may freeze. Pressing the Live TV button may resolve this.

Here in Greenville, SC, Charter is telling us that the Moxi will be here at the end of October, and I can't wait. I work for Charter, so it will be a month or so before I get a box, but I tell you, the guys and girls at Diego sound like they have a winner here.

Keep up the good work, and thanks to all of you who have taken the "leap of faith" with the Moxi, and hopefully your hardships will payoff with a great system.

nice list of updates (and existing features).....

It makes me cry when reading it since we can't get Moxi even though I live down the street from your office in the Bay Area
:(

Thanks for the update list Moxiguy. That certainly answers some questions of mine and solves a couple of problems.

IfixitBIG

FYI: I live in Greenville, SC and am scheduled to have my Moxi box installed on Monday. It was scheduled for yesterday, but due to scheduling conflicts on my end it got moved to Monday.

I was told that they are installing the box under a "pilot" program until Oct 22nd (I think) at which time the box will be fully functional. One feature, Video On Demand, is not working now. I'm not sure what other features or bugs are still being worked out. My understanding is that the issues are at Charter's headend.

I live in Anderson, SC and got the Moxi DVR yesterday afternoon. Received the firmware update overnight. Pretty pleased so far. The Moxi UI is not quite as intuitive as the TiVo UI, but I have only played around with it for a few hours.
HD looks great! Digital SD looks decent, but analog PQ needs improvement.

edit: Charter subscriber

Moxiguy -

Question with respect to - # Repeated Episodes: To prevent duplicate recordings of episodes, recording is based on the episode title and description. If no broadcaster information exists, the show may be recorded repeatedly.

This appears to have corrected the glitch whereby having set the Moxi to record first-run episodes of CSI:Miami it was grabbing the late night syndication run that just started from the beginning of the series - which I didn't want and being recorded in HD were taking up valuable space. Also seems to have fixed this same issue with the Simpsons. Correct?

Thanks again for the good work in this update. Any news on that expanded storage yet? (I'll probably ask in every post... :-) )

Congratulations!! Good job!!
MoxiGuy and crew

I have now a problem with the new update, you recognize the problem with the SAP disable the audio with some channels but before the update I can record a movie or series and select the language option and hear the SAP on this recorded program, now that is not possible.

I have enabled the SAP and watch TV with SAP (if it's available) but Moxi only is recording the program with the main audio, I will prefer have my SAP like was before I can downgrade my firmware or you can fix-it quickly.

Muchas Gracias

TRADE

My Moxi guide has two channels reversed, HDNet and HDNet movies.( HDNet on 770 actual, but listed in guide as 771, and the reverse for HDNet Movies) I e-mailed Charter about this issue and got a response that they would send a tech by on Monday. I seriously doubt that would be very helpful.

Anyone have any recommendations on who should be contacted? Does Moxi get their guide data from Tribune Media Services as TiVo does? I sent them a lineup issue e-mail as well.

In the interim, has anyone figured out how to do a manual recording? I have poked around the UI but have not seen a way to do this. Help me out if there is a way.

Thanks.

edit: Charter, Anderson SC 29625

manual recordings is one of my biggest complaints about the moxi right now....don't get me wrong, I like the series recording options, and it works very well....but from time to time, I just want to setup a timer to manually record something...

The Moxi is a DVR not a VCR, if the Guide is wrong or the schedule is changed (how happened with the Presidential Debates) that is outreach the design of Moxi.

Including features that emulate the old VCR style could be a step back. Maybe we can talk better have a web interface to program the DVR instead use the TV interface. I know that cable providers maybe don't want that users access directly to the Moxi, but maybe Digeo can create a web page to programming each user Moxi box.

Really I pass more time in front my computer than watching TV.

TRADE