Onkyo/Integra Net-Tune Users [Text View] - Page 2

slockemd

09-04-06, 01:27 PM

Next step: Tried to download the Net-Tunes Central v. 2 Integrated software. They ask for my model number and serial number. I enter the serial number and the message I get back is that it is not a valid serial number. I had this problem before when I was trying to download Net-Tunes Central 2.0 and I had contacted Onkyo then and they gave me a generic serial number. Here is what they said:

"Thank You for contacting Onkyo USA Product Support. You can put in this serial number which is 24x1111111, this will allow you to finish the download process to your computer. Again, thank you for contacting Onkyo USA Product Support,
if you need further Assistance feel free to call us at 800-229-1687."

Well that worked before but has not worked to get the Net-Tunes Central 2 Integrated software downloaded. I will call them tomorrow <groan> but does anyone have a generic serial number that would work?

Meanwhile, using Net-Tunes 2.0 I was able to actually get the server working and can now play all my daughter's downloaded MP3 files on my receiver. (I seem not to be able to get it to play on Zone 2 however because the second amplifier seems to be dedicated to the surround sound back channel and I cannot free it up to use for Zone 2.) I will start copying my CDs onto the hard drive and creating playlists next. But I sure would like to be able to use iRadio. How many people were able to get that working with the latest software? What is the status of that? Are we ready to file a class action lawsuit yet or have they solved the problem?

Thanks,

Steve L

slockemd

09-05-06, 10:23 PM

Another post...

slockemd

09-05-06, 10:23 PM

another post (2)

slockemd

09-05-06, 10:24 PM

another post 3

slockemd

09-05-06, 10:24 PM

another post 4 (sorry)

slockemd

09-05-06, 10:24 PM

Okay, here goes. I have succeeded in being able to use the iRadio feature of my NR-900 receiver. I received very useful tech support from Jennifer in cusotmer service in the US. First, as others had so helpfully alerted me on this forum, the firmware upgrade was essential. It actually turned out to be reasonably straightforward and easy. Net-Tune is needed only to access the mServer (Music Server) on the PC. It must be running for that (but NOT during the firmware upgrade). After the upgrade to listen to iRadio, you do not need to have Net-Tune running. In the US Net-Tune Central 2.0 is the file you want. The Integrated version referred to in an earlier posting is for International users, and some confusion was created in that they apparently need the Integrated version which is on the international Onkyo website. (If this is incorrect, please correct me.) If the Integrated version is somehow better and can be used in the USA as well, let us know that.
To get iRadio working, I had to call TS at Onkyo back. (BTW wait times were very short). Jennifer exsplained that when you hit the NetA button on the remote (Net Audio), the first time it looks for the mServer (PC) and the second time you hit it, it launches iRadio. Duh. Who knew? Then once you have iRadio on the display, you hit the DISPLAY button on the remote and that brings up the screen where you can select 1. Genres 2. Locations 3. Languages. Using the blue scroll/select button you can scroll down to 1-2-3 and selct one of them, then repeat the procedure for selecting the genres, locations, or language, eventually selecting what you want. Then you are in business. Yes, it is true that many stations cannot be tuned in, but I found 20 stations in about 15 minutes of surfing around. Quality, of course, varies considerably.

So, I am up and running. Gave my wife a tour just now and she was impressed. Challenges that remain are to learn how to send it to Zone 2 (will call back Onkyo TS tomorrow) and also how to create a playlist in Net-Tune so that if we have a dinner party, I can "set it and forget it."

Good luck, and thanks for inspiring me to do this and giving me the nudge I needed to solve this two year problem.

Steve L

egcarter

09-05-06, 11:34 PM

The new Net-Tune firmware for the the Onkyo/Integra/IR top-of-the-line card-based receivers (TX-nR1000, DTR-10.5, RDC-7.1) is now available. It addresses the same issues with Internet Radio (WM 10, etc) that the other firmware updates do.

Eric

gerick

09-06-06, 06:47 PM

Whew! Just read thru all nine pages of this thread.

I see lots of info on Internet Radio, but not much on Net-Tunes. Has anybody made progress on tackling the protocol that Net-Tunes uses? Has anybody tried using Wine to get Net-Tunes to run under Linux?

PS. Just thinking. Integra has (had) a NAS box (Integra NAS-2.3). That box was some kind of Net-Tune Server and I would bet that box probably ran Linux. So you would think there is already a Linux solution to serve Net-Tunes somewhere.

MrSpork

09-06-06, 09:53 PM

#1) Slockemd: Using zone 2 changes your receiver from a 7.1 system to a 5.1. (Obviously) To change my TX-NR801 go to the menu->hardware setup->SurBack/Zone2->Z2 That should change two speaker out ports to Zone 2. Note that digital audio (S/PDIF or Coax) does not work in Zone 2.

#2) I am going to start Beta testing soon on our little project. I just set up a new DNS server that has a few more options than before and should be switching over. I am also making some wicked hardware changes that don't want to work. Namely a dual WAN router to bridge my DSL and Cable connections. Mr Router doesn't want to cooperate. :mad: I have to replace a couple fans in my RAID 5 systems because they are keeping me awake all night. So after all this restarting and downtime I think you guys can give it a try. If you are impatient, drop me a PM and I will give you the site, but there are some bugs to iron out.

I'm a little afraid there will be hundreds of requests all at once to add stations and I want to be prepared as best I can.

MrSpork

09-07-06, 10:57 PM

Well, my massive updates failed miserably. The only thing I got working were replacing the noisy fans in my RAID system. Dual WAN is a bust as I can never get both connections to work at the same time. I am running all kinds of things through the same hole through the floor and it seems that adding 1 more Cat5 cable introduces a RF issue. Buggardy! I may try a different Dual WAN router later. I REALLY REALLY want 9Mbps/832Kbps.

Dear Verizon;
There is DARK FIBER just a block away installed 7 over years ago! PLEASE buy it.

FALTAGRACIA

09-10-06, 07:54 PM

Guys I am trying to update my firmware but when I get to the point where it tells you your current version I get the following message in my receiver "F/W: NOT FOUND" WHAT SHOULD i DO?

Thanks :(

MrSpork

09-11-06, 02:45 AM

Try to update again. Sounds like the Firmware update failed and won't work. Re-download the file too just to be safe.

MrSpork

09-11-06, 06:56 AM

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oligo

09-13-06, 04:22 PM

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oligo

09-13-06, 04:22 PM

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09-13-06, 04:22 PM

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09-13-06, 04:23 PM

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oligo

09-13-06, 04:26 PM

You want to configure your own internet radio stations on your Net-Tune receiver ? I think I have a program you will be interested in.
A few month ago, I was asking myself "how could I use my own radio presets in my Onkyo receiver...". I did not found any software or trick on internet. So I decided to begin a small project: I developped a proxy that intercepts requests made to Xiva and send back the station I configured :)

And as it seems there's people interested here, I made some more tests and write the manual (it's so long to write this small piece of doc).

First, I want to let you know that this program is command line based, there is no graphical interface: you have to edit a configuration file to define your own radio stations.
I tested this program only on this configuration: Windows XP (no firewall) Pro, Windows 2000 (no firewall), and an internet router.
The reciever was a TX-NR801E never firmware upgraded. I never upgraded the firmware because I'm too afraid it's not compatible with my small proxy. So I could not test WMA streams, but it perfectly works for "pls" files and mp3 streams. You can test and tell me if it works for WMA.

Direct link to the manual (http://ogarrouste.free.fr/nettuneproxy/manual.html).
The proxy with sources and a configuration sample: here (http://ogarrouste.free.fr/nettuneproxy).

MrSpork

09-13-06, 07:21 PM

Works on Mac too.
ProxyServer for Net-Tune protocol. Program version 1.01.
Server listening on port 8000.
Press "exit" to stop the proxy server.
Press "t" to list running threads.
If you don't mind, I'll add this to the list too.

OnkyoFreak

09-18-06, 04:04 AM

[QUOTE=oligo]You want to configure your own internet radio stations on your Net-Tune receiver ? I think I have a program you will be interested in.
A few month ago, I was asking myself "how could I use my own radio presets in my Onkyo receiver...". I did not found any software or trick on internet. So I decided to begin a small project: I developped a proxy that intercepts requests made to Xiva and send back the station I configured :)

And as it seems there's people interested here, I made some more tests and
write the manual (it's so long to write this small piece of doc).

Hi to everyone, I have followed your thread for a while and found it very very informative and then finally last week the good news.

:) :) :) Yes yes yes I am excited, thank you so much for that piece of software.
Finally the NR-801 is not just a piece of furniture. I can now finally listen to all my favourite radio stations, even if some only come accros with 32 or 40kbps, that is still better than nothing or plugging the laptop into the receiver.
The Nettune runs on a XP Pro laptop

Yes and with the Firmware update to 2.00.03, WMA files can be played as well and it finds radio stations that didn´t work yesterday.
Yesterday I tried the NetTune proxy without the firmware update. Most of the stations couldn´t be tuned. Then I tried the Firmware update, didn´t work in the first place, I had the Nettune Central Integrated running, stopped the server, still wouldn´t run. I had to kill some of the background processes first.

Then the update ran through in 15 min et voila all my favourite stations come through streaming as MP3 and WMA.

Currently the Nettune proxy runs on a XP Pro laptop, but the whole home network runs on SuSE Linux, so I am now trying to run the Nettune proxy server on Java on Linux. Hope it works.

Once again thank you so much. Keep the good work up :) :) :) :)

oligo

09-18-06, 04:33 PM

Yes, that's also good news for me OnkyoFreak !

You made your receiver work with NetTuneProxy AND the new firmware AND WMA streams ! That means there's not incompatibility between NetTuneProxy and the firmware 2.00.03, cool !!! I'll upgrade my receiver firmware soon. Then I can do more testing with NetTuneProxy next features: support of extended m3u files and stream format autodetection (no more need to set it in the config file).

It should also work on Linux as I didn't put any OS specific code inside. If not, tell me...

Thanks for your feedback

OnkyoFreak

09-18-06, 06:03 PM

Hi Oligo,

I think I found the problem on Linux. I guess you developped your little programm with Java 1.5, my linux box is running Java 1.4.2, because of a FTP server, that refers to it.

And I can't get both Java versions to work side by side, and the FTP server doesn't work with Java 1.5
But my laptop has a dual boot XP/Linux partition, so tonight I will try to install Java 1.5 on the Linux laptop and I will keep you posted.

and once again, thanks for the great effort.

Another thing I noticed, when I installed Nettune Central 2.3 before I installed Nettune Central Integrated, that only so briefly when, Nettune started up, in the Launch Manager, there are these three cirlces, one of which says I think Audio, the other two are blank, the second one briefly said something like Video.

Onkyo didn't think of streaming video capabilities by any chance for the NR-801E?
Just a thought

OnkyoFreak

09-19-06, 03:55 AM

Hi Oligo,

yes and it also runs under SuSE Linux 10.0, I had to update from Java 1.4.2 to 1.5.0.3 and now it works nicely on the server.
Beautiful and thanks

MrSpork

09-23-06, 07:10 PM

Did anyone notice the Onkyo 801 and 901 A/V receivers are absent from the US site? Only one model remains: the 1000. To be honest, the possibility of Onkyo dropping NetTune altogether never occurred to me. I would hope they would improve the service instead of abandon it. I fear of what is to come, or more to the point, what will not come in the way of updates.

integra1

09-24-06, 04:03 PM

Anyone know if the Net-Tune Integrated software will work with Integra receivers? Sounds like it would be a lot easier to work with than the standard software.

uapf3

09-25-06, 12:44 AM

Oykno

09-28-06, 10:42 PM

oligo....Awesome Job! I installed your program and wow :eek: ... my 801 can finally play all my radio stations. Unbelievable! You did a great job! You could definitely teach Onkyo a few things...........MANY THANKS

egcarter

09-29-06, 06:02 PM

Hi Oligo,

Another thing I noticed, when I installed Nettune Central 2.3 before I installed Nettune Central Integrated, that only so briefly when, Nettune started up, in the Launch Manager, there are these three cirlces, one of which says I think Audio, the other two are blank, the second one briefly said something like Video.

Onkyo didn't think of streaming video capabilities by any chance for the NR-801E?
Just a thought

I believe that in the Japanese market, Onkyo offers much more comprehensive versions of Nettune, including HD video.

Eric

egcarter

09-30-06, 12:22 AM

Oligo,

This is fantastic! It works like a charm using the Integra DTR-10.5 with NetTune card...proxy hosted on Windows 2003 R2 Server. WMA and MP3 work just terrifically well.

Many thanks!

Eric

oligo

10-01-06, 11:16 AM

Hi all

NetTuneProxy v1.02 is available, new features are:
* Special characters are now correctly handled in the URLs of the configuration file.
* Support for .m3u files. The factory firmware of the TX-NR801E only support the simple m3u file format (not the extended format). The firmware 02.00.03 does support the m3u extended file format.
* Simplified configuration file. Stream type is now deduced from the URL (see the included sample).

NetTuneProxy page (http://ogarrouste.free.fr/nettuneproxy)

Good news: finally I upgraded my firmware to 02.00.03, and it perfectly works together with NetTuneProxy, no compatibility issue till now...

uapf3: since I installed Net-Tune Central 2 Integrated, I have troubles with playlists: when I choose the menu "4.Playlists" I have always "No Playlists"... And for the library, it only worked the first time I imported files, now I can't manage to update it: I add files to WMP, I force "Update the library" in NTC2I but no trace of these files in the receiver... maybe a NTC2I bug ?

egcarter: I'll add this to NetTuneProxy manual, this information will be useful to Integra owners :)

Oligo

petersk

10-01-06, 11:44 AM

Success! Apparently the NetTune app is garbage in keeping itself clean on a device and even if you kill the app from the system tray it still leaves (2) processes running in the background... which secretly conflict with the "ntupdate" app. So they need to be killed prior. I used Windows Defender to locate them (looking for things registered to Onkyo Corp) but tech support also recommended just pulling NetTune from your start menu and just rebooting if you don't feel comfortable with that.

Anyhow... afterwards I was able to successfully pull down 1.00.18 on my NR900. Took about 20 mins over my gigabit LAN total.

I can confirm that yes, you should write down all your settings for your ports as they'll all be reset (i.e., what OPT connection is mapped to DVD, Video 1, etc... all that stuff). Oddly, the *only* thing that did *not* get overwritten was my network settings. I didn't need to re-enter my IP, DHCP settings, proxy, etc. All of that was kept... which was good since the UI doesn't make it all that fun to retype :)

Anyhow... post-update I can report that the Xiva stuff now works nearly 99%. I tried a whole bunch and only one station didn't work. Quality on most were still at a lackluster 32kbit/sec WMA but I was just happy to get the feature working. Next it'll be nice to see if Ebirbal gets his server up so we can all redirect through him for our own settings. In the meantime I made my request to Onkyo/Xiva to start supporting my streams. Hopefully they get off their butts and do it PDQ :)
Thanks a lot! I just got around to updating my 900 and had the same problem. I think I will retry now.
Regards,
K

OnkyoFreak

10-12-06, 05:51 PM

graycee

10-12-06, 07:47 PM

Oligo,

Thanks for the gift of NetTuneProxy v1.02!

I am running the 02.00.03 firmware on my TX-NR801 and your software is awsome.

I registered just to say 'outstanding job'!

Graycee

cao73

10-13-06, 09:53 AM

Oligo:

Great tool. Finally my Onkyo receiver handles the stations that I like.

Would be great to expand the project with GUI/more features. I could jump in with with some GUI if other people are interested in contributing to this.

just a tought.

graycee

10-13-06, 10:56 AM

Maybe others would be interested in posting their station lists (iRadio.txt)?

I only have five stations at the moment, but am hoping to add to it extensively over the weekend.

Graycee

NVboy

10-16-06, 01:58 PM

egcarter

10-16-06, 04:08 PM

NVboy

10-16-06, 06:35 PM

I think one only needs the serial number of your Onkyo/Integra/IR product in order to DOWNLOAD the Nettune software, no?

Eric

I had assumed as much, but when I try to install the program (which was downloaded when it first came out), it asks for a serial number. I just don't remember ever having to type that in during installation-only to download it. But, odd that it may sound, I'll have to try plugging in my Onkyo serial tonight & see what happens. It amazes me that they have so many safeguards for such a poor piece of software.

egcarter

10-16-06, 06:47 PM

I had assumed as much, but when I try to install the program (which was downloaded when it first came out), it asks for a serial number. I just don't remember ever having to type that in during installation-only to download it. But, odd that it may sound, I'll have to try plugging in my Onkyo serial tonight & see what happens. It amazes me that they have so many safeguards for such a poor piece of software.

Ahhh, you're correct. It should be just the same serial number you used to download it. (Your receiver, etc.)

Eric

OnkyoFreak

10-16-06, 07:46 PM

Hmmm, all these recent posts are rekindling my interest. Be that as it may, I have had far too much other crap to deal with of late, so I probably won't be playing around with this new proxy for a few months.

My question, even though it is probably very lame, is how in the world do I get a serial # for my Nettune 2 software? It's been some time since I downloaded it, but I dont' remember receiving a serial number just to install it. Is this something I have to do through Onkyo's site again? I just finished rebuilding my main PC & had to reinstall everything, which went fine up to the point of the NetTune 2 software. Any help would be much appreciated.

Oligo's little proxy is well worth a try. It works well for me and took five minutes to install, as long as you install Java 1.5.
I finally could get some of my favourite radiostations to play. Eventhough they only stream with 44 kbps, it still better than no German radio in Oz at all.

:) :)

For Nettune Central Integrated 2 to work, mine worked with the serial number of my NR 801. When I got a copy of the previous Nettune 2.3 it also worked with a different number, something like 1999xx99999. I would have to find it again. Not sure though whether it'll work with Nettune Central Integrated.

Good luck

slgolding

10-17-06, 03:20 PM

Hi. I've tried to get to the international site for the nettune central integrated and firmware for my usa model 801. I read that one had to tweak the sn, but I have had no luck. Could someone please advise as to what sn to use or post one that does work. Also, what sequence to use in installing firmware/integrated downloads? Finally, I have two receivers on my homenetwork. Do they both have to be on/off/standby? Thanks. :) :)

indianelvis

10-17-06, 03:56 PM

Maybe others would be interested in posting their station lists (iRadio.txt)?

I only have five stations at the moment, but am hoping to add to it extensively over the weekend.

Graycee
Good idea though I just used Winamp radio and Windows media player Radio to find stations to add. I'll add my stations from iradio here when I get home which may be of interest to people whose musical interest are Goa trance or Bollywood remixes.
I seem to have a problem with .asx streams, even though they play fine through my browser they are nor connecting through NetTune

Oglio you are brilliant and your proxy worked like a charm.

I upgraded firmware, went through the same issue with not de-activating the server correctly but when I finally figured out the instructions it worked fine. I have an NR801 and did not lose my settings or playlists

indianelvis

10-17-06, 11:18 PM

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indianelvis

10-17-06, 11:20 PM

indianelvis

10-17-06, 11:20 PM

These are valid streams as of 10/18/2006 and vary in quality from 24 kbs to 128 kbps in MP3 format. Copy and paste into iradio.txt

Indian ;Hardcore ;Apna ;http://live.apnaradio.com:2424
Indian ;Hardcore ;Teental ;http://213.251.129.40:80
Indian ;Hardcore ;DesiRadio ;http://213.251.185.61:8702/
Indian ;Hardcore ;Table.com ;http://64.202.98.133:2310
Indian ;Bollywood ;Hindi radio ;http://stream3.bollywood.mu
Indian ;Bollywood ;Bollywood mu ;http://87.98.148.66:8000
Indian ;Bollywood ;Music Radio ;http://87.98.148.67:8000
Indian ;Remix ;Bollywood ;http://streamlive.bollywood.mu:8000
Indian ;Carribean ;Curry Radio ;http://24.193.35.69:8000
Indian ;Remix ;Nimbooda ;http://88.191.14.102:80

Dance ; ;Armin Van Buren ;http://195.56.151.4:8300
Dance ; ;DI Chillpout ;http://64.236.34.196:80/stream/1035
Dance ;Goa ;DI Psy Trance ;http://www.di.fm/mp3/goapsy.pls
Dance ; ;DI Euro Trance ;http://www.di.fm/mp3/eurodance.pls
Dance ; ;DI DJ Mixes ;http://www.di.fm/mp3/djmixes.pls

CJOnkyo

10-19-06, 01:09 AM

Oligo -

I just had to also say... GREAT JOB as well. Wow... after all this time, someone just came along and "poof" and got this working. Nice! Was great to finally listen to some 128 and 160kbps streams and heck, they even cache nearly instantly when picking something not on the other side of the planet :o)

Anyhow... odd side effect that may be just me that I wanted to post and see if anyone else had this happen. So, I created a custom iradio list (as well as trying a few of your demos which weren't bad) and then set up my presets 1-5 as a test. I then killed the proxy server on the PC, disabled the proxy setting on the receiver, and rebooted the receiver. Now, for some reason, none of the stations come in. WTF? Did something cache someplace that I'm not thinking of, or perhaps I didn't shut down the receiver long enough? I dunno, but since I thought presets totally bypass the need for an indexing service (i.e., NetTuneProxy or XivaNet) then I'm bewildered why I'm all of a sudden getting "not connected" messages.

It's likely it's something truly simple here, but any troubleshooting thoughts before I tackle the problem again tomorrow afternoon sometime? :)

Thanks much!

egcarter

10-19-06, 04:46 AM

CJOnkyo

10-19-06, 07:50 PM

I didn't think that was true. I've had a few presets for things on Xiva (back before the firmware update when only a few things worked and I wanted to remember them) that ended up *disappearing* completely from the service YET my preset was able to play it fine. Based on that I'd think bah to that logic.

My ultimate goal was to be able to set my favorite presets and then turn everything off and still utilize the Xiva system since now with things actually working, it can be fun to hunt around for interesting stations sometimes. However, if what you're saying is true then one needs to actually keep this little java proxy running all the time and that's BS. I don't mind Java for quick and dirty stuff, but typically it's fully of memory holes and I don't want to always have it going on my system. Nor do I want to be running to the office to turn on this proxy every time either. And since the receiver caches stuff, turning it off/on isn't very good for it either... *sigh*... say it isn't so! :o)

oligo

10-21-06, 06:52 AM

Thank you for all you feedbacks :)

[...] then set up my presets 1-5 as a test. I then killed the proxy server on the PC, disabled the proxy setting on the receiver, and rebooted the receiver. Now, for some reason, none of the stations come in. WTF? Did something cache someplace that I'm not thinking of, or perhaps I didn't shut down the receiver long enough? I dunno, but since I thought presets totally bypass the need for an indexing service (i.e., NetTuneProxy or XivaNet) then I'm bewildered why I'm all of a sudden getting "not connected" messages.
[...]

oops... I missed the presets :o. I haven't tested the proxy with presets (I don't use them). As said egcarter it seems to be a reference to xiva-net or proxy. So if you create a preset with the proxy running, the proxy must be running when you select that preset.

Oligo

Ajbolit

10-21-06, 02:13 PM

Can anyone please post a way to reset the TX-NR801 - I just can't find it anywhere in the manual.

Ajbolit

10-21-06, 06:08 PM

Never mind - Video 1 and Power

MrSpork

10-22-06, 02:06 AM

Seriously? Where did you learn that?

As for my project... it has come to a screeching halt with some major crap in "real life". It is nice to have these little personal program. I set my goals too high with a complete user-appendable Xiva replacement database. That is why it is taking a bit longer, more still of you are learning along the way. Oh well. Sorry for the disappointment. :p

egcarter

10-22-06, 04:53 AM

Seriously? Where did you learn that?

There are front panel codes for virtually all of the Onkyo/Integra/IR products, including clearing the microprocessor & result to factory defaults (Push and Hold VIDEO 1, then Push POWER) for most AV receivers.

Some DVD players have drawer lock codes, there are codes to display firmware versions...HDMI resolution codes, Codes to force HDMI/DVI connection regardless of resolution errors, etc.

Eric

Ajbolit

10-22-06, 02:13 PM

egcarter

10-22-06, 04:55 PM

OnkyoFreak

10-22-06, 05:39 PM

OK,
Now I am trying to make that bloody Proxy to work. I had installed the software. Now it is my understanding that I need to configure Proxy Server. When I go to Proxy Address in my receiver (801) it gives me the alphabetical characters - shouldn't I use 192.168.1.3 or whatever the address of my main desktop? (where do you find it by the way?)

Or the other way in Windows XP is to go to

Start -> Settings -> Network Connection -> Local Area Connection

rh mouse click on Icon -> Properties -> General -> Internet Protocol TCP/IP

In there you find your IP adress (e.g. 192.168.1.3) , Netmask (e.g. 255.255.255.0) and Default Gateway (e.g. 192.168.1.1 ).

If you're running a network with a hub, on the Nr801 you choose an IP adress in the range of 192.168.1.1- 192.168.1.254, same Netmask 255.255.255.0 and as Gateway 192.168.1.3.
Use your remote control, blue enter button, for setting the NR801.

In that case your NR801 will choose your main desktop as its proxy.
Make sure you have Java 1.5 installed

The java proxy from Oligo will stop you from being able to use the Xiva-Proxy, therefore if you had Internet Radio presets that worked on the basis of accessing Xiva-Proxy, now they won't work.

Good luck :) :)

Ajbolit

10-22-06, 07:25 PM

OnkyoFreak

10-22-06, 09:17 PM

Surely enough it isn't working.
Do you put the proxy address in the receiver as 192.168.1.3 or 19216813? Port is 8000? Do I need to change anything else in receiver's configuration?
Second, when running "run.bat" file I do have a prompt window appears for a moment and than quickly disappears - I can't even see what does it say. Isn't it suppose to be open all the time until you type Exit?

1) You put it in as 192.168.1.3, Port 8000 is fine , you'll have to save the configuration. Sorry thats not a joke, my setup disappears every now and then

2) go to start -> run -> cmd, that gives you a command window, you can then go to the NetProxy directory where you saved the extracted files, most likely under " Program Files

eg. cd c:\Program Files\NetTuneProxy.xxx (xxx for the version you have loaded)

then type

java -jar NetTuneProxy.xxx.jar

As long as you have Java 1.5 (www.sun.com) installed, Oligo's proxy server will start in the command window

It worked for me very well :) :) :)

Ajbolit

10-22-06, 10:34 PM

C:\Program Files\NetTuneProxy>java -jar NetTuneProxy.jar
ProxyServer for Net-Tune protocol. Program version 1.02.
Server listening on port 8000.
Press "exit" to stop the proxy server.
Press "t" to list running threads.
>2006-10-22 20:33:02,953 FATAL [ListeningThread] ListeningThread:69 - java.net.B
indException: Address already in use: JVM_Bind. The listening port is probably a
lready in use. Stopping proxy server.

Any proxy

Ajbolit

10-22-06, 10:35 PM

any comments?

Ajbolit

10-22-06, 10:45 PM

had some progress - was able to figure out the bad program - it was actually my LinkTheatre software for the Buffallo network DVD player. After I had shut it off here is the message -
C:\Program Files\NetTuneProxy>java -jar NetTuneProxy.jar
ProxyServer for Net-Tune protocol. Program version 1.02.
Server listening on port 8000.
Press "exit" to stop the proxy server.
Press "t" to list running threads.

The bad thing is - still not able to get a list of stations. I go to iMusic and Genres - No List (((

Ajbolit

10-22-06, 11:07 PM

Ajbolit

10-22-06, 11:43 PM

OnkyoFreak

10-22-06, 11:46 PM

What a day!
Anyway - I got it to work - and able to to get a list of stations from the proxy server (my mistake - the address of the ProxyServer in my receiver was wrong (((
But none of them is actually working.
I did modified Oligo's list of radio stations - and it looks like that -

# A sample with a link to an mp3 file stored on a web server.
Ambient ; ;Air A Pull ;http://192.168.0.2/mp3/Jan%20Vayne%20-%20Air%20A%20Pull%20(C-Quence%20Mix).mp3

Ambient ; ;Jedynka ;http://www.polskieradio.pl/st/program1M.asx

Ambient ; ;Trojka ;http://www.polskieradio.pl/st/program3M.asx

Ambient ; ;Russkoe Radio ;mms://217.16.18.76/32K

The rest of the list is the same and I am able to see the actual stations from Oligo's list but when trying to connect - No connect message (((

Now I really want help.

I found that changing the Iradio.txt file while the proxy server was running wasn't then showing up on the Nr801.

So I restarted the proxy server, turned the NR801 off, not just standby, but really off, turn it on again, then it would do a " Networkstarting " and I would have the
new radio stations on display.

Allthough not all would connect.
But......that could well have something to do with the maximum amount of users that can listen to a radio station, depending on overall bandwith available to the internet radio station.
If their limit is 500 listeners and you are 501, you'll have to wait until its your turn to connect.

OnkyoFreak

10-23-06, 12:09 AM

Please, don't kill me.
Have to re-phrase myself - I was able to get some of the stations on Oligo's list to work, but none of mine are - those are polish and russian stations - is there any mistakes in the way I had put them in the list? Are there any limitations as far as which stations could be used with that program?

the last one of your radiostations might not be supported in Oligos script:

Ambient ; ;Russkoe Radio ;mms://217.16.18.76/32K

Please read thru the manual Oligo provided, its also mentioned in his iRadio.txt file, it doesn't mention mms.

If you want to force stream type, posible values are: pls, mpeg, ms-asf, m3u.

The other two I don't know I had a look at their homepage, but I don't understand polish, so I can't find an Internet radio station link to play it in Mediaplayer.
You can always find in Mediaplayer in the Properties section, the current http adress and path for those radiostations and then copy that path into your iRadio text file

Ajbolit

10-23-06, 08:20 AM

Well those polish station links - they do work with Media Player same time while not working with Onkyo

OnkyoFreak

10-23-06, 05:20 PM

Well those polish station links - they do work with Media Player same time while not working with Onkyo

Hmmmm.
Okay back to basics. I have two questions. What Nettune Receiver do you have? Have you updated to the latest firmware for your receiver, because with the new firmware reception of wma and mp3 was " greatly "improved.

As I don't know whether you've updated your firmware, here is link to download the firmware:

http://www.intl.onkyo.com/products/net-tune/download/index.html

I updated the firmware on my Nr801E and I could receive some stations that wouldn't work before

CJOnkyo

10-23-06, 06:25 PM

Yup... to all having issues with seeing the iradio.txt config file. You *need* to power cycle your receiver since (like Oligo wrote in his doc) the receiver will cache the list after first access. I only needed to hit the power button (i.e., go into Standby) and then hit the power button again. No need to unplug or anything. Just breaking the network link is all that's required... and that should do it unless you have wake-on-lan enabled or something.

CJOnkyo

10-23-06, 06:40 PM

Thank you for all you feedbacks :)

oops... I missed the presets :o. I haven't tested the proxy with presets (I don't use them). As said egcarter it seems to be a reference to xiva-net or proxy. So if you create a preset with the proxy running, the proxy must be running when you select that preset.

Oligo

Oligo - So do you believe there's a way to get around that? Like I mentioned previously, the ultimate goal would be to be able to setup a preset for your favorite channels and then "untether" the receiver from any hacks and let it work normally.

Based on my testing, the preset will remember the name of the station (shown at the top of the screen), even with the proxy disabled... but won't connect. Oddly enough, one of the stations (Club 977 I think) will actually make a serious attempt at caching itself, and get to 80-90% before saying "not connected". Very weird behavior.

So anyhow, is there any way around this at all?

Also, was wondering if we're limited to only a certain list of genres to choose from? If not, can the proxy simply act as a pass-through to Xiva, thus allowing you to see all current Xiva content, and then add in our custom additions in their own Genre subfolder (called something easy to find, perhaps with a "!" in front to keep it at the top always)? Just thinking a little outside the box. I think a few other projects here were attempting to do this but yours was the only one I saw working in a prototype fashion.

Anyhow... hopefully we can figure out a work-around on the presets. That's a bummer...

OnkyoFreak

10-23-06, 07:48 PM

Oligo - So do you believe there's a way to get around that? Like I mentioned previously, the ultimate goal would be to be able to setup a preset for your favorite channels and then "untether" the receiver from any hacks and let it work normally.

Based on my testing, the preset will remember the name of the station (shown at the top of the screen), even with the proxy disabled... but won't connect. Oddly enough, one of the stations (Club 977 I think) will actually make a serious attempt at caching itself, and get to 80-90% before saying "not connected". Very weird behavior.

So anyhow, is there any way around this at all?

Also, was wondering if we're limited to only a certain list of genres to choose from? If not, can the proxy simply act as a pass-through to Xiva, thus allowing you to see all current Xiva content, and then add in our custom additions in their own Genre subfolder (called something easy to find, perhaps with a "!" in front to keep it at the top always)? Just thinking a little outside the box. I think a few other projects here were attempting to do this but yours was the only one I saw working in a prototype fashion.

Anyhow... hopefully we can figure out a work-around on the presets. That's a bummer...

Regarding the genre, you can create your own genre in the iRadio.txt file, what ever genre you want and it will turn up on the Nettune display.

Why do you still want to go through Xiva. You know the radio stations you want. You find their IP adress, copy it into iRadio.txt and reset your preset on your receiver. The only disadvantage is you have to have a PC running when using iRadio

Untether the hacks will not work unless someone will hack into the Receiver.

The idea of the current proxy is not to depend of Xiva. With the proxy you can finally use any radiostation you want to listen to and not the few Xiva is offering

:) :)

Ajbolit

10-23-06, 11:25 PM

Exactly my point and I would like to figure out what are the limitations if any to which stations you can listen to.
My receiver is NR801 and I did do firmware upgrade on it.

CJOnkyo

10-24-06, 12:34 AM

Regarding the genre, you can create your own genre in the iRadio.txt file, what ever genre you want and it will turn up on the Nettune display.

Why do you still want to go through Xiva. You know the radio stations you want. You find their IP adress, copy it into iRadio.txt and reset your preset on your receiver. The only disadvantage is you have to have a PC running when using iRadio

Untether the hacks will not work unless someone will hack into the Receiver.

The idea of the current proxy is not to depend of Xiva. With the proxy you can finally use any radiostation you want to listen to and not the few Xiva is offering

:) :)

I know. But after going so long and then having a magic firmware update finally start unlocking everything on Xiva, I was only just beginning to explore it a bit. So it's like turning down a thousand channels of exploration for the 10 or so I want. Technically, at worst, we should be able to pass-through all the Xiva content and append on an "NTP" (or whatever, for NetTuneProxy in this case) to a special genre category with our custom choices. That way, in the short term, if we need to run the proxy on the PC all the time we're not limited. I'm also thinking of those who don't run servers in their house all the time (I know, for us geeks that's a shock :))... but some only have work laptops, xboxes, or whatever, in addition to their receiver. I was thinking to help those folks all it would take is someone popping on their network temporarily with a laptop, setting the presets, and whoila it's all done. Apparently I had a bad assumption about the architecture.

At least with the mini-proxy, if Xiva ever goes under too, we're good to go :)

OnkyoFreak

10-24-06, 02:02 AM

I know. But after going so long and then having a magic firmware update finally start unlocking everything on Xiva, I was only just beginning to explore it a bit. So it's like turning down a thousand channels of exploration for the 10 or so I want. Technically, at worst, we should be able to pass-through all the Xiva content and append on an "NTP" (or whatever, for NetTuneProxy in this case) to a special genre category with our custom choices. That way, in the short term, if we need to run the proxy on the PC all the time we're not limited. I'm also thinking of those who don't run servers in their house all the time (I know, for us geeks that's a shock :))... but some only have work laptops, xboxes, or whatever, in addition to their receiver. I was thinking to help those folks all it would take is someone popping on their network temporarily with a laptop, setting the presets, and whoila it's all done. Apparently I had a bad assumption about the architecture.

At least with the mini-proxy, if Xiva ever goes under too, we're good to go :)

:eek: :eek: :eek: not having a server running at home all the time, what's the point in life, if I haven't got the network on all :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

You're right CJ, I just received last months electricity bill and it would be nice if there was a way of using the proxy otherwise. Best would be built into the firmware update.

Also unfortunately I haven't found any of my radio stations on Xiva, although I requested them to be put on.

indianelvis

10-24-06, 05:58 PM

I know. But after going so long and then having a magic firmware update finally start unlocking everything on Xiva, I was only just beginning to explore it a bit. So it's like turning down a thousand channels of exploration for the 10 or so I want. Technically, at worst, we should be able to pass-through all the Xiva content and append on an "NTP" (or whatever, for NetTuneProxy in this case) to a special genre category with our custom choices. That way, in the short term, if we need to run the proxy on the PC all the time we're not limited. I'm also thinking of those who don't run servers in their house all the time (I know, for us geeks that's a shock :))... but some only have work laptops, xboxes, or whatever, in addition to their receiver. I was thinking to help those folks all it would take is someone popping on their network temporarily with a laptop, setting the presets, and whoila it's all done. Apparently I had a bad assumption about the architecture.

At least with the mini-proxy, if Xiva ever goes under too, we're good to go :)

I absolutely agree here. The firmware upgrade has opened up a new world of stations which will take some time to explore. Not being able to use the proxy and Xiva at the same time means having to go to the receiver and turn off the proxy every time you want to listed to one of the Xiva stations. I though the the earlier solutions using the Pivoxy proxy allowed you to use both. I never did get that working on my receiver bu tthat could have been user error

CJOnkyo

10-25-06, 12:37 AM

I absolutely agree here. The firmware upgrade has opened up a new world of stations which will take some time to explore. Not being able to use the proxy and Xiva at the same time means having to go to the receiver and turn off the proxy every time you want to listed to one of the Xiva stations. I though the the earlier solutions using the Pivoxy proxy allowed you to use both. I never did get that working on my receiver bu tthat could have been user error

I'm not going to b*tch too hard here. I'm *extremely* happy with what Oligo has managed to do. The first time it worked and I was pulling in 160, 192, and 320 kbit streams it was heavenly to hear... with the average Xiva stream rate being around 64. And yes, I do have around three machines going in the house typically... doing something productive. If not, I make them run Seti or something. And yes, I have approximately 2000 ft of CAT6 wiring that I did myself, running an all-gigabit network to 30 ports strewn throughout the house. But I digress. I am *not* the average joe when it comes to IT and I like my devices to be independent. Example... I buy network printers with standalone print servers built in so I don't need a print server. Example... I buy network cameras with mini embedded Linux servers that don't require anything except an ethernet jack and power (or PoE) so I don't need to co-locate a computer nearby. Example... I bought a receiver knowing that while it *could* stream music from my MP3 server, it could also pull in internet radio stations (which I knew I'd use more often). Essentially I figured I could get the functionality of an AudioTron but integrated into a killer 7.1 receiver. I did... but it sure did come with some baggage :o) At least I was lucky enough to find a like-minded support group of geeks out here.

Thanks again for all the hard work and we look forward to future upgrades... knowing that many of us don't have the programming know-how to even get this far. Keep up the great work! :o)

slgolding

10-25-06, 04:50 PM

egcarter

10-25-06, 05:08 PM

Au contraire...

US owners should use this link to download the firmware (no serial number necessary):

http://www.onkyousa.com/download/firmware.cfm

-Eric

OnkyoFreak

10-25-06, 05:44 PM

"As I don't know whether you've updated your firmware, here is link to download the firmware:

http://www.intl.onkyo.com/products/...load/index.html

"
Well, you can't get past the identification link without the right serial number. Anybody know what that sn is for upgrading my 801?

Doesn't it work with the sn of your NR-801?
I just had to type in the sn of mine, which is on a sticker on the back of the unit and way I went.

I had the choice of two firmware upgrades

1.00.03 or 2.00.03, the later had an update for Dolby Digital EX if I remember correctly. I choose 2.00.03.

Since then I have improved reception for iRadio, especially for WMA files

rad

10-25-06, 07:14 PM

OnkyoFreak

10-25-06, 07:34 PM

OK, what's the secret to getting the upgrade to load onto the receiver? My 901 finds the server but at the next step it can't find the firmware for the upgrade. I've turned off the firewall on the PC and still no joy. Any ideas???

When I installed the firmware upgrade, I had stopped the Nettune Central Integrated server, but found out that there where 4 processes running

WinLibMgrTsV.exe
WinNTSPDV.exe
NTSPServMng.exe
NCentral.exe

Closing down the Nettune server only stopped the NCentral.exe
process, you have to open a task manager and you have to kill the remaining three processes manually.

Then you can the upgrade, which will take up to 25 min. Therefore stop all screensavers if you have them on. :) :)

rad

10-26-06, 10:12 AM

When I installed the firmware upgrade, I had stopped the Nettune Central Integrated server, but found out that there where 4 processes running

WinLibMgrTsV.exe
WinNTSPDV.exe
NTSPServMng.exe
NCentral.exe

Closing down the Nettune server only stopped the NCentral.exe
process, you have to open a task manager and you have to kill the remaining three processes manually.

Then you can the upgrade, which will take up to 25 min. Therefore stop all screensavers if you have them on. :) :)

Still no joy. I even installed the upgrade software on a laptop that never had Nettune on it and the same thing, says software not found on the receiver. I made sure that Windows/XP firewall was off also. Any other ideas to try?

indianelvis

10-26-06, 05:13 PM

I'm not going to b*tch too hard here. I'm *extremely* happy with what Oligo has managed to do. The first time it worked and I was pulling in 160, 192, and 320 kbit streams it was heavenly to hear... with the average Xiva stream rate being around 64. And yes, I do have around three machines going in the house typically... doing something productive. If not, I make them run Seti or something. And yes, I have approximately 2000 ft of CAT6 wiring that I did myself, running an all-gigabit network to 30 ports strewn throughout the house. But I digress. I am *not* the average joe when it comes to IT and I like my devices to be independent. Example... I buy network printers with standalone print servers built in so I don't need a print server. Example... I buy network cameras with mini embedded Linux servers that don't require anything except an ethernet jack and power (or PoE) so I don't need to co-locate a computer nearby. Example... I bought a receiver knowing that while it *could* stream music from my MP3 server, it could also pull in internet radio stations (which I knew I'd use more often). Essentially I figured I could get the functionality of an AudioTron but integrated into a killer 7.1 receiver. I did... but it sure did come with some baggage :o) At least I was lucky enough to find a like-minded support group of geeks out here.

Thanks again for all the hard work and we look forward to future upgrades... knowing that many of us don't have the programming know-how to even get this far. Keep up the great work! :o)

Hey No complaints here. I'm just trying to see if we can expand on the good work already accomplished.

I did install privoxy again on my laptop this time and got it to pull the custom list under My favorites. Not sure why it won't play the URL I put in place of the link to the .pls file. However I did verify that it plays the native Xiva stations in addition to anything you would add yourself.

For now I have programmed the macros on my remote to switch between using the proxy and turning it off to bring in the Xiva stations. My hope is that I can get Privoxy working and then add all the custom stations to My Favorites.

OnkyoFreak

10-26-06, 05:20 PM

Still no joy. I even installed the upgrade software on a laptop that never had Nettune on it and the same thing, says software not found on the receiver. I made sure that Windows/XP firewall was off also. Any other ideas to try?

Well are there any other servers in the network running Nettune at the same time? In case you have music on various other computers.
When you want to update you'll have to make sure that no other PC in your network is running Nettune in the background.
Running a firewall on the PC wasn't a problem, but I turned it off just in case.

Apart from the part with the background prccesses I followed the manual and everything was done within 15-20 min

CJOnkyo

10-26-06, 07:36 PM

Hey No complaints here. I'm just trying to see if we can expand on the good work already accomplished.

I did install privoxy again on my laptop this time and got it to pull the custom list under My favorites. Not sure why it won't play the URL I put in place of the link to the .pls file. However I did verify that it plays the native Xiva stations in addition to anything you would add yourself.

For now I have programmed the macros on my remote to switch between using the proxy and turning it off to bring in the Xiva stations. My hope is that I can get Privoxy working and then add all the custom stations to My Favorites.

When you get something working like that, I'm all ears. For now, I'm just going to spend the weekend on the Winamp/Shoutcast directories looking for top-quality (minimum of 128k streams) to populate my own decent list of 20-30 things. I've got about half of that already. This way I don't get bored for now. I can also dogfood the oligo proxy and see how stable it is for a long period of time. Like I said previously, I've had a number of java apps that end up consuming a ton of memory after a while. One example is my Silicon Image RAID array monitor. If I left that Java app running long enough it consumes all my physical memory and starts hitting the page file. It's nuts. You can watch the process gain about 4k every couple of seconds when it's minimized to the tray. If you maximize it and then minimize it again, it resets the thing and it goes back to a few MB in size (from what could be at times literally hundreds of MB). I can't blame Java... just the morons at SIimage. Oligo's proxy seemed to be pretty stable for the few hours I had it up. Next I plan to monitor it for a week and see its impact.

Can't wait for the next project to come of age :-)

OnkyoFreak

10-26-06, 07:57 PM

When you get something working like that, I'm all ears. For now, I'm just going to spend the weekend on the Winamp/Shoutcast directories looking for top-quality (minimum of 128k streams) to populate my own decent list of 20-30 things. I've got about half of that already. This way I don't get bored for now. I can also dogfood the oligo proxy and see how stable it is for a long period of time. Like I said previously, I've had a number of java apps that end up consuming a ton of memory after a while. One example is my Silicon Image RAID array monitor. If I left that Java app running long enough it consumes all my physical memory and starts hitting the page file. It's nuts. You can watch the process gain about 4k every couple of seconds when it's minimized to the tray. If you maximize it and then minimize it again, it resets the thing and it goes back to a few MB in size (from what could be at times literally hundreds of MB). I can't blame Java... just the morons at SIimage. Oligo's proxy seemed to be pretty stable for the few hours I had it up. Next I plan to monitor it for a week and see its impact.

Can't wait for the next project to come of age :-)

I have been constantly running Oligos proxy for the past four weeks on an old PIII 700Mhz Linux server, with 768 MB . It hasn't crashed once and doesn't seem to have been slowed down over time by the Nettune proxy.

weatheryoko

10-31-06, 07:57 PM

I just wanted to say "Thank You" to everyone who's posted here. I just purchased a refurbished nr901 and I love it. The firmware needed to be updated. I've done that; and I've sucessfully configured iRadio and Music Server. It's amazing and I'm very happy (I even got it to stream wirelessly through my house without any playback problems). Thanks to again to everyone (especially: Oligos, CJOnkyo, OnkyoFreak, MrSpork, ebirbal and numerous others I'm forgetting about! Thanks again!)

Justin

ebirbal

11-03-06, 04:01 AM

Given the immense amount of interest on the internet radio functionality, I was wondering if we could set up a collaborative effort to develop a solution for being able to tune in to internet radio stations. To outline what we want...

1. Ability to tune to the stations listed at xiva-net.com
2. Ability to add your own radio stations to this list
3. Do so with minimal effort from end users point of view.

There are quiet a few solutions that come to mind... none of which is "ideal". You are already aware of a couple of options discussed on this forum.

In order to accomplish 1 and 2 above, we will need a publicly available web application that mimics Xiva's service. I have already developed a web application that does this. It uses that same protocol that Xiva does, and so is compatible with the nettune capable receivers. What we need is to make the receiver tune in to the new service. I can think of these solutions...

A. Use a custom DNS server. Mr Spork and myself have tried this with some success. What we did was, we developed a custom DNS server that resolves xiva-net.com not to the IP of xiva-net.com, but to an IP address hosting our own web application. From the end-users point of view, all one has to do is modify the settings for DNS server on the amp.
Pros:
1. Absolutely minimal effort from the user's point of view. (no need for any proxy or having a computer running). All one has to do is set the DNS server settings on the amp, so that it points to the IP address of the DNS server we developed.
Cons:
1. The DNS server needs to be publicly accessible, and be available at all times. Also, this has to happen on somebodys private computer/network as no DNS provider is going to allow configuring a DNS record for a domain we don't own (xiva-net.com)
2. We also need to set up a public site with the name "xiva-net.com" so that the DNS in 1 above can resolve to it. This has the potential to attract legal action.

B. Use a proxy like the one developed by Oligos. This proxy can be modified such that, all requests to Xiva are intercepted and redirected to whatever site we set up.
Pros:
1. Easily add/remove whatever stations we want - including those already listed at Xiva.
2. Immense scope for customization. (play stations listed locally, obey some commands, possibly even transcode other file formats on the fly)
3. No legal hassels.
Cons:
2. You need the proxy/computer running while playing internet radio

A quick modification to the proxy developed by Oligos and we can actually have a working prototype ready in no time.

C. Patch the firmware files so that it no longer goes to xiva-net.com, but to whatever site we patch it to.
Pros:
1 no need for a PC running the proxy
Cons:
1. Need to patch any future firmware updates
2. Risk of potentially bricking the receiver while trying to flash with the patched firmware.

Personally, I vote for option B. Whats the opinion of the members on this forum ?

oligo

11-05-06, 10:08 AM

Hello,
The history why I made NetTuneProxy : it's because I wasn't satisfied at all with the content of xiva-net. I did not want to hear from any station they provide, they were too bad quality (I didn't check recently). It's a shame that Onkyo provides such low-fi radio. My personal politics is (for music listening), no radio under 128kbps (mp3), exceptionally I go down to 96kbps if I really want that radio. That's why I decided to totaly bypass the xiva-net list. I mostly agree with CJOnkyo here.

But it seems there is an interest on mixing the xiva radio list with the iRadio list.
Problem : I have no availability to work on it at the moment, and I'd be much much more motivated to work on a plugin that allow the receiver to read any file format (point B.2 of ebirbal) (I think of free lossless formats, ogg and AAC+), it's a great feature missing IMO...

ebirbal : I vote B, C is much too risky, and A has hosting constraints.

For option B, I don't think it will be so easy to mix the iRadio list with the xiva one, but it's possible (everything is possible :) ). If you feel like doing the modification I let you do.

Oligo

weatheryoko

11-07-06, 07:19 PM

I like the idea of NetTune Proxy so I'm leaning more toward option B. But I was thinking, would this be possible to include in the next build/release of NetTune Proxy:

1) Once a day (or more frequent if specified by the user), the NetTune proxy querries Xiva and gets the full list of "supported" stations (i.e. reads all the xml information).

2) Once it has the latest station list from Xiva, it automatically updates the iRadio.txt so that it combines the Xiva stations and your custom stations.

How hard would it be to do this? I honestly don't know. I have no experience in programming in xml or in java.

Just my $.02 worth.

Justin

Jeff D

11-08-06, 10:15 AM

I might want to read the whole thread before responding, but...

I've been talking about and thinking about and just not "doin' it" on a project that could be java based. I wanted to create a generic media server that supported a plug-in architecture so that the streamer could support any device as long as there was a plug in for that. The configuration files for the different players would include supported formats so that unsupported formats could be supported with on the fly transcoding. Let the PC do all the work, for audio the simpliest support would be do convert almost everything to PCM and stream that. You only have to do a decode to get audio out to any device in PCM. Anyway the plug in would just need to handle the communication and the streamer would handle the conversios and lists and what not.

Currently I've got the folowing server software running on my media server:
DVArchive (replayTV)
JavaHMO (tivo)
Net-Tunes (Onkyo)
Kenwood's Media Server (kenwood)
and one other that I'm spacing on at the moment... but I'd like to have Toshiba's networked DVD recorder as part of my setup! =)

Anyway that's a lot of apps that all do the exact same thing, so I'd like to consolidate them.

You could even support any streaming from any source just real-time decoded to a PCM stream that the streamer sends as a shoutcast stream or whatever. It's all sounds so simple...

I'm not a good java programmer or any OOP. I'm an embedded software guy with the skills on the low level stuff. THe only thing keeping me from doing this is that I've been mr. mom for the last few years and almost all my free time is spent on the kids. I'd like to get a push to work on a project like this, and I'm willing to work with others!!!

Wouldn't it be great for your net-tunes receiver to be able to play any auido format local or streamed that the PC can decode? I had thought this would be something in the works after looking at the configuration files for nettunes, but that's still not something that's happened. I hear net-tunes is a high priority with onkyo japan, but it doesn't really look like that's true.

I haven't been around in a while (young kids taking up the free time) I thought I'd bring up this idea again.

With the recent progress made with "fixing" the net radio stations I'm curious if anyone knows of or is interested in working on what I described earlier? I'm willing to do grunt work....

dubldare

11-08-06, 08:38 PM

I'd pretty much given up on the iRadio on my txnr-801. One could technically say it worked until this summer, but that was a big stretch. I upgraded the firmware to 1.0.0.3 a couple months ago, didn't seem to do anything. So I'd pretty much given up on the whole thing and forgot about it until last night, when I just happened to check into this thread again.

I checked out the international onkyo site and the updates there. I downloaded the 2.0.0.3 firmware and did a fair amount of pondering on whether or not to install it. After reading posts by some of our non-us friends that have installed it successfully, (and a couple of beers, lol) I decided to give it a go. Wasn't really in the mood to record all of my settings and re-enter them again, but what the hey.

Hokey-smokes.

The ProLogic IIx is a gotta have item. I am amazed at having 7.1 outside of THX movies. The update adds a 'game' feature to the list of surround choices. I haven't played around much with that yet, but I did watch a portion of an HBO movie last night. The IIx movie mode to me sounds a bit too center-heavy, but the ambience of the stereo rears is notable. Also, keep in mind that was off a lowly cable box.

The biggest joy I've found so far is the IIx music mode. Streaming 128kbps mp3 through this mode gives an ambience (understand I'm not implying sound quality) akin to what I get when playing dvd-audio/sacd/dts disks, but with a far greater 'width' due to the left and right surrounds doing their thing.

So for the time being, I'll use the onk more for listening to music. I'd basically relegated it to movies and dvd-audio listening, but I don't watch many movies, and how many times can you listen to the same 30 multichannel disks?

Now I can cheat and listen to my mp3's and get even more upset that there isn't much available in the multichannel music department.

Another interesting thing with the firmware update, the iRadio now works like a rockstar. All of the 30 or so sites I checked out were operational, but I'm not going to hold my breath that they will in the future.

Thanks for all the info, you guys are great.
Darren

CJOnkyo

11-08-06, 10:16 PM

My .02 is to go with Option B as well. Lots of potential there. I think before anyone starts to go off an work on something we should get a solid list of requirements and build this with a little control. Instead of trying to please everyone instantly, let's build in stages. Heck, it would be nice if we had access to the asian market stuff, which allows streaming of pictures and video off your PC. Ah well... once Vista Ultimate gets on enough PCs with XBox 360 (or other) media extenders, this will quickly be a moot point. Now *that* would be a cool firmware update for Onkyo to do. Turn our Linux-based receivers into Media Center extenders... heh.

On another note... anyone know of the NR-900 will ever be able to load the Prologic IIx firmware? I was told by the Onkyo support (in NJ) that it required some hardware or something but I've gotten bad information so much from them that I don't give them much creedence anymore :) The whole point of firmware updates was to be able to keep up with the latest surround decoding methodologies. Seems like a perfect example... and I'd hate to have to upgrade to an NR-1000 :)

weatheryoko

11-09-06, 04:56 PM

After reading dubldare's post, I have a question. I have an Onkyo Tx-NR901 model (US Version). Should I apply the ProLogic IIx update to it? I already did the other firmware update (v1.0.0.3). Thanks for any advice. I don't want to ruin my amp by applying a firmware that wasn't designed for it.

Justin

paul45

11-10-06, 11:22 AM

Am having difficulties getting my TX-NR801 to connect to my new network setup. Can anyone help? I currently have a Linksys WRT54G attached to my computer & cable modem. I have a Linksys game adapter (WGA54G) attached to the receiver. Previously I had the router connected directly to the receiver and the game adapter connected to the computer and was running my cable modem directly to my computer on a 2nd ethernet adapter. I recently got a laptop though and found I couldn't get the internet connection sharing to work via the game adapter (attached to the computer). Nonetheless the TX-NR801/computer were communicating and working fine with that setup, just no internet on the wireless network. Now I have changed things around to the above mentioned setup, internet is working great over the wireless network, but the damm receiver can't seem to connect. I've played with manually inputting an IP address and gateway to match my router, but no joy. Furthermore when i set the receiver to DHCP on, it gets one of these 169.xxx adresses which I know means its not seeing the network. The final test i used was to connect the laptop to the game adapter (unplugging the cable from the receiver) and disabling the wireless adapter on the laptop to test the game adapter. The laptop gets an ip address on the network immediately and works fine, connects to the internet, etc, so I know the problem isn't with the game adapter. I'm at my wits end here, any help would be appreciated!

paul45

11-11-06, 03:55 AM

ok so ignore the above... it seams the Linksys Game Adapter simply won't work with receiver/nettune, i changed to whats basically a wireless bridge ('buffalo' brand 'ethernet converter' in this case) and it all works now. hopefully this information is useful to people.

indianelvis

11-12-06, 01:59 PM

I was able to crack the serial number issue at the intl site based on someones eralier advice in this forum (used random 3 digits, 187 I think followed by 00000001, whihc worked after a few tries) . Upgraded to F/W 2.0.0.3 from The PLIIx is great. Radio seems the same as 1.0.0.3, tuning in to stations seems a little slower than before.

I also installed Net Tune Central. However it took hours to for Windows Media player 10 to recognize the music even though I pointed it to a specific folder were I have all my music. This was in startk contrast to what I expeience on my laptop earlier where I had copied all my music files and used Media Player 10. Finally I tried using it and was able to see all albums and play music. However it did not pick up Playlists I had reated. The reception was intermittent as there seemed to be delays (I am using a wireless bridge). I gave up and reverted back to NetTune 2.0 where I do not experience these problems. The Playlist editore here is crude but at least it seems to work and reception is great.

weatheryoko

11-13-06, 11:50 AM

indianelvis

11-14-06, 09:51 PM

indianelvis,
What amp do you have? It sounds like you have an US version. Is that true? I'm trying to figure out if I should upgrade my amp (tx-nr901) to firmware 2.0.0.3 (i.e. PLIIx; See post above). Thanks for any advice.

Justin

Yes I have a TX-NR801. DEFINETLY UPGRADE TO 2.0.0.3 but I'm not too keen on the Net Tune Integrated stick with Net Tune 2.0 (from the US site)

graycee

11-25-06, 07:36 PM

weatheryoko,

Maybe I’m wrong, but I think you were asking whether to upgrade your Tx-NR901(US) with firmware 2.00.03+ProLogic IIx or just plain 2.00.03/(no ProLogic IIx).

I first upgraded my Tx-NR801(US) with 2.00.03/(no ProLogic IIx) and everything worked fine. After reading some comments here about how cool ProLogic IIx was, I updated the firmware again (absent any cautious thinking) with 2.00.03+ProLogic IIx… and… everything still works fine (including the ProLogic IIx options).

I might be reading too much into your last posts, but hopefully this helps. Your mileage may vary.

weatheryoko

11-26-06, 06:40 PM

Indianelvis and graycee,
Thanks to both of you for taking time and answering my questions. I upgraded my Firmware on my 901 to 2.00.03 w/PLIIx late last week. Everything seems to be working just fine. Thanks again for the advice.

Justin

CJOnkyo

11-29-06, 04:19 PM

So to recap my question from a few weeks ago... anyone know if the NR-900 is able to load the Prologic IIx firmware? I was told by the Onkyo support (in NJ) that it required some hardware or something but I've gotten bad information so much from them that I don't give them much credence anymore The whole point of firmware updates was to be able to keep up with the latest surround decoding methodologies... and the NR-901 essentially only added the upconversion stuff in it... so I'd think if a 901 could handle it, so could I. Has it been done???

CJOnkyo

12-06-06, 03:05 PM

Well, since this forum has been dead as a door nail since my question, I decided to give the tech support morons in NJ a call on this. As usual, the USA side of the Onkyo family is clueless. I couldn't even get any kind of process information out of them. Essentially, as far as I hear every time I call... they just magically "know when they know"... which is apparently never. Japan never calls them, they never call Japan. It's idiotic. The end result is us end-customers end up getting the "official" US releae of the firmware nearly a year after it's released everywhere else and it's the *exact* same file. Dumb.

Anyhow, I started out with the simple question of why the US site hasn't seen the 2.00.03 firmware release yet *at all*. Again, and about 6 times placed on hold, they knew nothing. I'd fire half of these people at this point if it were up to me since they add no value to any process that I can see.

My next assumption was that perhaps they were simply testing the 2.00.03 firmware in their labs (if they even have any... I'm doubtful some days)... and if so, if they've tested on an NR-900...

At this point I didn't even get a direct answer to a direct question. I just got reiterated that they're clueless and have no idea about anything... so... I'm back to waiting and seeing if anyone's been successful out there loading 2.00.03 (w/Prologic IIx) on an NR-900. Again, in theory, I'm postulating this is possible since the hardware between the 900 and 901 is nearly identical. The only thing they added on the 901 from my 900 is a slightly different remote and the video upconversion circuitry for the component feed. None of that affects the audio side... hence the "dot upgrade" of 900 to 901. So I'd be extremely hopeful.

Can anyone help me out? Apparently Onkyo USA Tech support is only useful for non-software/firmware items... like if you're truly an idiot and can't figure out how to wire things I guess :D.

Thanks!

egcarter

12-06-06, 03:28 PM

I'll check...

Eric

CJOnkyo

12-07-06, 05:36 PM

Thanks Eric! Can't wait to see what you find out. Another good test would be to see if you can roll back the firmware to the current supported (1.00.18) version. I'd assume you can push any firmware you want to the device since firmwares aren't updates but typically rather flatten and reload architectures. Can't wait to see what your testing finds!

Jeff D

12-09-06, 02:56 PM

Where's the serial port on the TX-NR900? I can't find it... It's an available firmware option so I suspect there's a port.

It's tough to get behind the unit, but the pics on the onkyo website don't show any serial port. I swear I saw it before thinking "that might be useful".

egcarter

12-09-06, 03:15 PM

Oops!

The USA and Canadian models of the Onkyo TX-NR900 DO NOT have an RS-232 port. The models for the rest of the world do. The Integra version (DTR-8.3) of course, does have it, as do all Integra AV receivers.

Sorry.

Eric

Jeff D

12-09-06, 03:32 PM

Just figured that out even though the manual shows a serial port I figured maybe there were 2 versions.

Anyone know if the firmware in a smc part or socketed flash? If socketed I could update it easily. Or... is there serial port on the board? How do the shops upgrade firmware?

And then, what's a nettunes user to do when they are having issues with connecting with the installed firmware?

CJOnkyo

12-10-06, 01:29 PM

CJOnkyo

12-10-06, 01:29 PM

Do you not have the ability to test via this method?

egcarter

12-10-06, 03:32 PM

Huh? Did I just go back to the 80s? I didn't think anyone actually used the RS-232 port anymore :) All updates are done over the Ethernet port guys...

You just run the updater app on a PC on your LAN, turn on the stereo and poof, they start chatting and you can perform the update :D

Not sure how the shops upgrade firmware, put that's how us peons do it :D

The top of the line models are still updated by RS-232 only. They haven't yet released the ethernet-based config program for the card-based product that we were promised, oh, 1.5 years ago or so. It was sent back to Japan for usability and bug improvements long ago.

Eric

CJOnkyo

12-11-06, 11:28 AM

egcarter

12-13-06, 05:28 PM

Funny... since the NR-900 'was' the top of the line model from Onkyo, until the TX-NR1000 was released (also with ethernet capability). I assumed the Integras (essentially repacked versions of the same device with a little more bling... like Acura vs. Honda... would have the same stuff.

Okay... so I'm back to seeing if anyone out there can give this a shot or not? :(

By "top-of-the-line" models, I mean the card-based product (TX-NR1000, DTR-10.5 and RDC-7.1). Onkyo had developed a Windows utility to totally configure the system via ethernet, but that hasn't been released here due to usability and reliability concerns. Updates are still all done via RS-232.

Now, as to your firmware question...here's what I just got back from Onkyo engineering:

"FW version 2.00.03 is for other destination model and it won't work with US model.
And we have no plan to release new FW for those models. "

I dunno what to say...will it work, or won't it? It's up to you at your own risk...

Eric

Jeff D

12-17-06, 02:01 PM

I'd be willing to try to upgrade via LAN, but I'm not sure what version of nettunes I'll need to be running. I know it didn't exist on 1.0, and I may have seen it on 2.0 and I've not installed the integrated version yet.

I was put off by thinking it could be done inside of nettunes because there was something in the readme about not running any nettunes when doing the upgrade... I'll have to look at that again.

Jeff D

12-17-06, 02:34 PM

So sometimes us oldschool firmware engineers can't see the simple path... the fwupdater is running as I type over the LAN...

CJOnkyo

12-18-06, 12:12 PM

Upgrades via LAN don't require NetTunes to be running. It's done via an updater application running on a PC on your LAN. You want to be sure that 'both' NetTunes processes are 'not' running. Otherwise, you'll have a conflict and won't be able to upgrade.

It would be interesting to see if this is even possible. I'd be much appreciative... but that's *really* interesting to see what Onkyo engineering. Can I assume (from the poor English) that you contacted the folks in Japan directly? Of course, again, given the 901 is essentially the same as the 900 from a software/hardware perspective and the fact that the 901 isn't 'supposed' to support 2.00.03 in the US... it still begs the question of applicability to the 900... let alone the fact that some of us paid 1500 big ones when the 900 first came out for the very reason that it 'was' upgradeable :-)

egcarter

12-18-06, 03:13 PM

...snip...It would be interesting to see if this is even possible. I'd be much appreciative... but that's *really* interesting to see what Onkyo engineering. Can I assume (from the poor English) that you contacted the folks in Japan directly? ...snip...

I contacted Integra's integration consultant who then contacted Onkyo Engineering directly.

Eric

DCIFRTHS

12-19-06, 02:19 AM

Now, as to your firmware question...here's what I just got back from Onkyo engineering:

"FW version 2.00.03 is for other destination model and it won't work with US model.
And we have no plan to release new FW for those models. "

I dunno what to say...will it work, or won't it? It's up to you at your own risk...

Eric

Eric,

What US models will version 2.00.03 NOT work with? All of them?

Thanks

CJOnkyo

12-20-06, 08:32 PM

Apparently not... since a plethora of folks have installed the 2.00.03 on US devices without issue and with full functionality. Hence my question for a test of this on an NR900 device... perhaps over the holiday break we'll get some traction on this (*nudge*) :)

dubldare

12-29-06, 08:04 PM

Couple quick things to point out as to how I got the 2.0.0.3 firmware to work on my unit.

-my unit is a U.S. released tx-nr901, refurb

-serial number used (as told to my by an Onkyo csr when I was originally installing net-tune) 23X0000000 -- basically a 10 digit sequence beginning with 23X

-net-tune must not be running during the updating process. a pdf file in the package details the steps for updating

-the firmware must be installed from the computer where net-tune resides. I would venture to say that if net-tune has never been installed, you may not be able to upgrade.

CJOnkyo

12-31-06, 08:18 PM

I already have a copy of all the firmware, archived on my server. That's not the problem. Also, firmware updates have nothing to do with NetTune. You just need to be sure your receiver and PC sit on the same subnet on your LAN, that's all. They just need to be able to find each other. And I know about the conflicts with NetTune running. I was one of the first to detail it here :)

Anyhow... the only thing I need confirmation from is if somehow has successfully (or not) loaded the 2.0.0.3 firmware on their TX-NR900, US receiver, or not...

Happy New Year all BTW! :)

wally wabash

01-01-07, 11:00 PM

Jan 1 , 2007. I have just installed the firmware upgrade 01.00.03 to my TX-NR801. All features, except iRadio, seem to be working including the mServer (Net Central). Tunes and playlists stored on my PC work fine. All other PC's in the house are accessing the Internet via the same router and modem without problems. When selected, the iRadio menu offers Genre, Language and Location options but in each option selected the message "No List " is returned. I did have limited iRadio reception before the firmware upgrade. Helpful suggestions would be appreciated

CJOnkyo

01-02-07, 02:24 PM

I'd start by double-checking your receiver's proxy settings and such and making sure that everything there looks right. Also, if you're using the nettuneproxy app that most of us are using, remember to note that your receiver will cache what it downloads until you reboot the it (the receiver). With each change, you need to restart the receiver to get the appropriate updates to take in the menus.

weatheryoko

01-03-07, 11:08 AM

Quick question: Does WMP 11 work with NetTune Central 2 Integrated?

It works great with WMP10 but I'd like to know if it works with the new version of WMP. Thanks in advance. Justin

weatheryoko

01-18-07, 12:45 PM

Well I updated my WMP and Nettune Central Integrated had no problems streaming the audio files and playlist to my NR901. So WMP 11 is compatible with Nettune Central Integrated. Hope this helps someone.

Justin

scdicks

01-20-07, 09:13 PM

Has anyone had any trouble with the playlist functionality using Net tune Central Integrated. My playlists while showing in WMP often disappear on the receiver, and show as No Playlists. If I reinstall the Net tune Central Integrated software again they show up, but only till I close down the laptop, and then it is back to a reinstall. Any help gratefully accepted.

Check that the NetTuneLibWatch plugin in WMP is checked. The first time my computer crashed after installing NTC2I, WMP indicated that it automatically disables the plugins upon crashing and you have to manually re-check them.

uapf3

01-22-07, 08:48 AM

scdicks,

Thanks for the idea, I've tried this but it makes no difference. The two things that seem to cause this problem are 1) removing the network cable and going wireless, and then plugging it back in, and 2) the automatic updates icon from microsoft. Everything else works except the playlists. My current remedy is to start WMP and then update the library. If that doesn't work then I just reinstall NTCI2. If you come up with any other ideas let me know. It is a PITA as the computer lives upstairs and the receiver downstairs, and I have to make the trip up and down to check the the fix has worked. You gotta love the quality control when the receiver display comes up with the term "DBase Reflesh".

MrSpork

01-22-07, 09:40 PM

OMG! I bookmarked page 10 and for the longest time I thought this topic was dead! :D

Nice to see it is still thriving, even though I am way behind the times.

Oh, and great job on all the progress too. That Java has really taken off!

uapf3

02-12-07, 06:53 AM

Well Gents,

Anyone had a go with vista yet. What can we expect? Seems WMP11 is ok.

oddtodd

03-11-07, 03:11 PM

nettune proxy 1.02 and net-tune central worked on vista on my new computer

alexbron

03-23-07, 04:39 PM

Anybody having problems playing ANY internet radios in the last couple of days? My Onkyo 801 gives "Not Connect" error every time! :(

AJW

04-10-07, 06:43 AM

I'm wondering if anyone else has tried installing Net-Tune Central 2 Intergrated on a Vista machine.

When I start the application I get the following error message:-

"Ncentral Integrated.exe - Common Language Runtime Debugging Services"

"Application has generated an exception that could not be handled"

As far as I can tell this is something to do with the .NET software having some type of issue.
I installed the .NET Framework Version 1.1 Redistributable Package as Onkyo asked for in the instructions.
I also found out that Vista also installs .NET Ver 3 by default.

I've been able to get Net-Tune Central 2 Intergrated to run without a problem on a XP machine on the same network.
This machine is using Media Player 11 like Vista (although they seem to have slightly different version numbers.)
On both the XP machine & the Vista machines I opened up the firewall ports 60096 & 60097 TCP/UDP.
I'm able to ping the Receiver from Vista and I get a reply.
Plus I can see the NetTuneLibWatch Plugin in Media player 11.
Everything seems to be there but when I launch the application it gives the error message.
Plus I've tried different "Compatibility modes" on the Net-Tune Central 2 .exe.
Still no luck.

oddtodd - if you managed to get your system working did you have to do anything special?
Anyone else manage to get it working?

(FYI - I'm running a Integra DTR-8.3 - I think it's the same as a 900)

oddtodd

04-15-07, 02:54 PM

AJW

I have a TX-NR901 Firmware ver. 1.00.03 running on a new vista computer (not an upgrade)
I’m sorry to say but it worked right away with no problems

AJW

04-15-07, 07:45 PM

Hello oddtodd - were you using Net-Tune Central 2 Intergrated (with Windows Media player ) or Net-Tune Central 2 with Onkyo's playlist manager program?

AJW

04-17-07, 06:17 AM

Interesting.....
I've been able to get Net-Tune Central 2 Intergrated to run on Vista now.
But my Amp still can't connect to Net-Tune.
What I had to do to get Net-Tune to run correctly was to right click on the Net-Tune Central 2 Intergrated .exe (short cut on the desk top) then select "Run as Administrator".
The UAC will come up then select "allow" and it will run without errors.
So now it's Icon is sitting in the task bar and I can click on it and see it's running.

I've also found out that you don't need to open up the firewall ports 60096 & 60097 TCP/UDP, although that seemed to work on my XP computer.
You have to let Vista let two programs in the Onkyo / Net-tune folder called:
ServiceNTSPDV.exe
ServicelibMgrTsvV.exe
Thru' the firewall.
I actually stopped ports 60096 & 60097 but opened these two & it worked with XP.
But I still can't figure out why I can't get my Amp to see Net-Tune now.
Everything seems to be working.
Looks like some more experiment.

AJW

04-18-07, 11:09 PM

Managed to get my Receiver to connect to Net-Tune.
It's been about 2 years since I'd set it up before & I hadn't gone to the Music Server page and selcted the new PC.
After selecting the new PC it connected ok.
But we now have another problem.

If I select "Album" or "Artist" or "Genre" it will say "Searching" for about 30secs then say no Albums etc.
I'm sometimes able to get "Playlists" to work and stream audio but only the first time the receiver connects.
If I try selecting "Album" for example it will say "Searching" not find anything then if I come back to "Playlists" it will say "Searching" and not work.

I have another PC on the network running Windows XP and if I select that PC with the Receiver I'm able to play "Album" or "Artist" or "Genre" without a problem.
Both machines are running Windows Media player 11.
If I look at the "Audio.tsv" file under the Net-Tune Central directory and look at it in notepad I can see all the Audio files that have been indexed by Net-Tune.
So it's not having a problem indexing the files from Windows media player.
The fact that I can just get it to stream also means most of it seems to be working.
So has anyone seem this problem before with Net-Tune Central 2 Intergrated ?

uapf3

04-23-07, 09:20 AM

I have similar problems, but I run XP and WMP10. I have left the firewall running, and play my NHK Japan station using the instructions at the beginning of this thread and a direct link to the NHK website. Haven't had the guts to change anything, now that it seems to hang together about 90% right.

I get a similar error message on my playlists. Everything else with regard to albums, artists and genres seems to work 99.5% of the time. If it doesn't, I just reboot the laptop. Having said this, there are 2 ways to make the playlists work on my machine.

1) Reinstall NTC2I, or

2) Open WMP using the NTC2I that is minmised in the task tray.

The thing that seems to cause the most grief is when windows update runs and i get the yellow shield in the task tray that says there are updates available. The other thing that seems to cause problems for my playlists only is the auto standby function on the laptop. Note this feature also screws up the resolution on my laptop (but no the additional monitor) when I run multiple monitors.

Cheers

AJW

04-23-07, 06:05 PM

I've made some progress, sort of, with Vista.
I upgraded the Firmware on my receiver from Ver. 01.00.14 to Ver 01.00.18.
After doing this i've found it's working about 80% of the time for Albums, Artists, & Genre.
But I've only once been able to get it to even show the Playlist name that I created in WM11.
At that ocassion I then tried to select the Playlist and it just said "No Playlists".
99% of the time If I select the Playlists it will just say "No Playlists".
I'm still getting "searching" errors sometimes were it wont find anything.
I still can't work out a pattern why it wont work.
I've noticed also when it stuffs up you need to re-start the NT2I software on the PC.
Normally restarting the Receiver wont help.

uapf3 - I'm wondering if there's some type of background process running that's causing the program to glitch.
I have my Vista machine so that it wont go into standby for 5hours but the screen turns off after 20mins.
But my WinXP machine is in a Always run mode and doesn't turn anything off.
I might have a look into this and do some tests.

AJW

04-24-07, 07:04 AM

Well I think I've found out why it was having a problem.
There does seem to be something with the screen going into power save mode.
After I've turned all power save features off it seems to work without giving me any "searching" no Artist, Album, Genre errors.

Now I've just got to get the playlist thing sorted.
I hadn't given it a good try but it also seems like my XP machine & NTCI have a problem with playlists.
It looks like WMP11 wants to save playlists as .wpl files.
I have a feeling that Net-tune wont like this.
You can save playlists as .m3u files which I think it will like.
Now I've tried to get WMP11 to save these files in the same directory as my MP3 files and that seems to work.
I can see a file called test.m3u in the directory.
I've updated the NTCI library so it should look for & save them.
But it still wont work.

uapf3 - are you able to open the file called "audio.tsv" in the Onkyo program file on your computer. (C:Program files/ Onkyo/ Net-Tune Central 2 Integrated/ audio.tsv)
If you open this file with note pad can you search in there and see if you can see the name of your playlist?
I cant see how NTCI is creating the playlist file.

henryr01

04-26-07, 11:55 AM

This is SOO cool. I have given up on playlists on my 901 because Net-Tune's interface is so terible.

However, I just flashed to 02.00.03, removed Net-Tunes 2.0 from my media server (W2K3) in the basement and installed Net-Tunes Integrated. This is great!!!

Bruce Patterson

04-26-07, 12:39 PM

Anyhow... the only thing I need confirmation from is if somehow has successfully (or not) loaded the 2.0.0.3 firmware on their TX-NR900, US receiver, or not...

Has anybody tried this? Success? Blew sky high? Thanks. :o

uapf3

05-05-07, 09:05 PM

AJW,

The playlists are not in the audio.TSV file. I think they are directly read from WMP via one of the DLL's. It seems like you are exactly where I am now. See above for how I fix it. It is a band aid only, but it does the job. What I would really like is a Japanese version of NTCI as it would then display the Japanese albums we have!

Cheers

AJW

05-06-07, 05:48 AM

uapf3 - just to clarify your earlier comment.
You said:

2) Open WMP using the NTC2I that is minmised in the task tray.

Do you mean after you have NTCI running then have WMP11 also running and minimized in the task bar to get the playlists working?

I'm still having some issues getting it to work 100% on Albums, Artists, Genre.
Have still been getting "Searching" errors when I select Albums etc.

Thru' someone that I know I have connected Onkyo Japan about these issues I'm trying to get them sorted.
They have a weeks holiday in Japan at the moment so I think they are back this week.
If I come up with any answers from them I'll post it here.

uapf3

05-07-07, 07:41 AM

AJW,

Sorry about the mixed message. The NTCI icon will be sitting in the notification bar at the bottom right of the screen. I double click on it and WMP10 (for me) will open. It doesn't matter whether I leave WMP10 maximised or minimised.

I generally have no trouble once WMP10 is running. If I do, (usually because it has gone into standby or hibernation) I do a reboot then the above. If that fails, I just reinstall NTCI, and it works.

Hope this helps. Let me know how you go.

Cheers

AJW

05-08-07, 11:28 PM

uapf3 - Thanks for that - I gave it a try and I was able to get a Playlist to work.
I'm sure I've had WMP11 open before, but it seems to want NTCI to open it for some reason.
Mind you it didn't work at first and I was getting the "Searching" no "Album etc" errors for a while.
I keep trying then it just worked.
I've just got to work out why I sometimes get these "Searching" errors.

weatheryoko

07-18-07, 03:22 PM

I've got a question: I would like to move all my WMA files to Network Storage so that I don't have to have my PC powered up all the time in order to listen to my WMA files. Does anyone know (or has had success) if you can move all your files to a Network Storage and play them while your PC is off?

My thoughts are this:
1) Move the files to the Network Storage.
2) Update your library in WMP to reflect that you've moved the WMA files.
3) Using Net Central 2.0 Integrated, update your playlist/library with your Onkyo Receiver.
4) Power down your PC and see if the Onkyo receiver can still access/play the files.

Is this possible? Thanks for any input.

Justin

egcarter

07-18-07, 03:49 PM

ebirbal

08-11-07, 07:22 AM

PaulGr

10-30-07, 06:35 PM

henryr01

11-20-07, 08:17 AM

With my Onkyo TX NR-900E there was no CD. For download at Onkyo there's only the following versions available:

Net Tune Central v1.10
Net Tune 2 Integrated

I know there are some other versions of this software, but I'm not able to find it anywhere.
Can somebody help me out with this?

Regards,
Paul

Paul, I would use NT2 Integrated. I have struggled with v1.10 for years and found Integrated to be the most reliable...and that's a streach!

Net Tune Central v1.10 is a seperate app that needs to run on your PC (server?) and you have to 'add' songs, albums and playlists to that. Big pain.

Net Tune 2 Integrated is a 'plug-in' for Windows Media Player (WMP) and works very well. I would suguest upgrading your firmware prior to any attemps at connecting. You MUST have the new firmware if you are going to read any music ripped with WMA Codex 9 or higher.

Bob...

PaulGr

11-20-07, 12:41 PM

Paul, I would use NT2 Integrated. I have struggled with v1.10 for years and found Integrated to be the most reliable...and that's a streach!

Net Tune Central v1.10 is a seperate app that needs to run on your PC (server?) and you have to 'add' songs, albums and playlists to that. Big pain.

Net Tune 2 Integrated is a 'plug-in' for Windows Media Player (WMP) and works very well. I would suguest upgrading your firmware prior to any attemps at connecting. You MUST have the new firmware if you are going to read any music ripped with WMA Codex 9 or higher.

Bob...
Hello Henry,

Thanks for your reply, but I don't use Windows Media Player, so NT2 Integrated isn't an option for me. Actually I'm just looking for other versions that seem to have been on the market, so I can create a working solution.

Cheers,
Paul

gerick

11-21-07, 10:40 AM

The best solution (that sadly we will never see) would be a firmware upgrade to make the Onkyo a UPnP MediaServer ControlPoint - which is the UPnP-client (a 'master' device) that can auto-detect UPnP-servers on the network to browse and stream media/data-files from them.

hako

12-09-07, 06:53 PM

I've uploaded a small proxy server that can be used to play/share your favourite internet radio stations on Onkyo Nettune series of receivers. The list of stations is community managed and can be directly edited on my homepage. More details here: http://www.pranavmehta.net/

-enjoy
Hi everybody,

I tried to contact ebirbal from his web-based contact form as well, but it is not working.

Thanks ebirbal for taking time to develop this solution and provide access to it from your web site. Now that I know my receiver supports mp3 streams, my question is as follows:
I want to be able to serve mp3 streams to my receiver, from the mp3 files in my computer's hard disk. Can I direct the receiver, using IR proxy after changing the settings in IRproxy.exe.config, to my mp3 server (icecast or something else) instead of the listed radio stations? If yes, what would be your recommendations? I am thinking of changing the TargetURL to a modified aspx file in my http server, the same machine which is also the mp3 stream server.
I am very excited with the possibility of this may even be doable.
Hakan

paul45

12-24-07, 05:20 AM

hako

01-03-08, 06:33 PM

Hi all,

I am not a big fan of windows and I have been looking for ways to serve mp3 files to my Onkyo TXNR801 from a linux media server. The solution I came up with recently is actually provided partially from this forum and I wanted to share it with other people here.

I use NetTuneProxy as a proxy server on port 8000 of my media server computer. I also simultaneously run 10 different sessions of vlc (http://www.videolan.org) each of which streams an individual playlist (*.m3u) from 10 different ports (8080-8089). These are cited as 10 separate radio channels in the iRadio.txt file of NetTuneProxy. Therefore, I have an intranet radio broadcast consisting 10 preset "channels". The quality is only as good as the quality of your mp3 files of course, but better than most internet radio stations. Through NetTuneProxy, you can play other internet radio stations as well if you like.

It is nice to have your own radio broadcasts of the music you like, without commercial and with good quality. You can even broadcast lossless audio in flac format by transcoding them on the fly with vlc appearantly, but I still need to work on it.

Thanks to oligo for developing NetTuneProxy, to ebirbal for the ideas and to this list for the inspiration. Please don't hesitate to contact me if you have specific questions about my solution.

bugmenot55

01-06-08, 12:50 PM

im having trouble running nettuneproxy on background in linux, it will flood its status and make 99% load

can you please fix this and/or make a daemon to start/stop the service

silversat

02-14-08, 06:00 AM

silversat

02-19-08, 04:33 AM

I finished the experiment. now I need no more xiva-net. I own my web server, dns, nettune, and broadcast radio all together running on a server into my intranet. I wrote an asp page in order to provide the info to the onkyo amp and everything works correctly. I can hear my favourite music all over the house. iRadios like freecom musicpal works fine too.
if you need some info, please contact me.
bye

deepblu

03-27-08, 01:22 PM

Hi all,
newbie here although I have owned my TX801 for a few years now and have recently taken up an interest in the Net-Tune function again.
After reading this discussion I decided to up my FW to the 901 020003.
Works fine, dunno about the pro-logic aspect yet.
I installed Net-Tune Integrated and scanned my library (.wma 192 2-pass cbr) with WMP10.
So far so good, the client sees the library and I am able to scroll thru, albeit somewhat laboriously.

Now the bad stuff.
Sometime ago I decided to trim down my tags with mp3tag.
I removed machine codes,etc.
Net-Tune don't like that - my files won't play.
I have verified they play fine in WMP10.
My unaltered wma files play fine in Net Tune.
Ugh!
I have over 100k tracks that my Onkyo won't play.

Anyone here have an idea as to what is required in the tag fields in order to play through Onkyo-Net Tune?

Thanks in advance.