Originally posted by BearGator56
FINALLY!

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I certainly wish I could compare the new Sammy HD2+. It's too bad they won't be out for a few more weeks!

You may be better off getting the Mits... I heard majority of the Sammy DLP set are horrible when it comes to SD regular programming....

I saw the Mits 62" next to the Sammy HLP XX63 series. There is no comparison... The Mits wins... Hope to get one by end of next month...:D

I saw the WD-52525 at a local Tweeter in Framingham, MA. Amazing PQ!!! I hated the glare on the reflective screen and I can't take it off (1 kid, 1 dog and 1 cat). So I am waiting for the WD-52725 to come out. Anyone know when that will be?

I viewed the WD-52525 with the HDNet (looked amazing). I also viewed an over the air standard broadcast and it too looked very good.

I had been interested in the Sammy 5063, but not any longer.

Originally posted by BostonNole
I saw the WD-52525 at a local Tweeter in Framingham, MA. Amazing PQ!!! I hated the glare on the reflective screen and I can't take it off (1 kid, 1 dog and 1 cat). So I am waiting for the WD-52725 to come out. Anyone know when that will be?





Supposed to be Sept. 2004.

Just bought the WD-62525. It's being delivered, and set up tomorrow.

In the SF Bay Area both Magnolia Hi Fi, and Anderson's have them in stock.

Just went and put the money down today on the wd-62525. I wanted to get in on the no interest deal since it ends this weekend.

They won't have them in until the first week of August here. So I have to wait... I don't know how I'm going to break it to my 50" Mitsu that it's days are numbered! It's been a good 9 years!

Now I need to find a table/stand to put the thing on!

I bought the 52525 yesterday & returned it today. HD material looked great, but DVDs via my Bravo D1s DVI output were horrendous. Very soft, -almost blurry. My set also had an internal reflection right smack dab in the middle of the set during dark scenes. Disappointing, since I really liked the options this set offered. Probably get the "captain kirk" set tomorrow, though the pictures on the HLP63 sets looked better than the one on the HLP85 set

My WD-52525 was delivered today and I am pretty satisfied with it. The only annoying thing is that I cannot power on the unit via the switched AC plug on my cable box. I would like the TV to power up when I power on the cable box, but when I have it connected this way and turn off the cable box, the 525's power is cut off completely. When the set is turned on, it goes into "start up" mode. It appears the set must be plugged into an energized outlet at all times. BTW, there is a "glare" on the screen, but is only noticeable when there is a dark image on the screen. It is hardly visible when the screen is fulled with an image.

I am wondering if the 52575's non glare protective screen will fit on the 52525. Has anyone removed the protective screen on their 525 yet? I live alone and there is no chance of the unprotected screen will get damaged, but would like some input on the subject before I bother.

I am very satisfied with the DTV 480i/S-Video PQ. I can live with it until the HD DVR is released by TWCNY in October. I could swap to the HD cable box, but I like the DVR and don't want to lose the DVR function. BTW, does anyone know I program in the SA 8000 DVR into NetCommand?

TIA...JL

SRFast,

You might want to step up to a universal remote that has a macro function. If you have an a/v reciever, you might already have one.

You can program it to turn everything on with one button.

Help! Where can I buy a Mitsubishi WD-52525?
I need to find a reliable online or retail dealer that has it in stock.

Also, does anyone know where I can see one in the Pittsburgh, PA area or anywhere is Southwestern PA?

Thanks,
Alan

Fellow Mits owners, I was told that the replacement bulb for the Mits 525 is $400.00. Ouch!!:eek:

Originally posted by Auditor55
Fellow Mits owners, I was told that the replacement bulb for the Mits 525 is $400.00. Ouch!!:eek:

I called Mits Parts yesterday and gave them the part #. They quoted a price of $200.

I was in Sears and the salesperson told me the Mits 52525 will be in all Sears stores 2nd weeks of August. No price though..

They will also have the CRT sets 65515, 55515, 65315, and 55315

Originally posted by SRFast
I would like the TV to power up when I power on the cable box
You do NOT want to do this. Microdisplay-based RPTVs like the Mits generally have a cool-down mode that will run the fan for a short time after you turn off the set, to cool down the bulb. Disconnecting power via any method other than the power down function of the TV could damage your bulb, or shorten its lifespan.

so I am not concerned. On average, I only watch TV 50 hours a week, so I hope it will be a long time before I have to replace the lamp.

Regards.....JL

I finally got the TV and cable box to power on/off together by using the "SYSTEM" button on the cable box remote. The 525's "cool down mode" is not disabled in anyway.

Regards...JL

Originally posted by SRFast
so I am not concerned. On average, I only watch TV 50 hours a week, so I hope it will be a long time before I have to replace the lamp.

Regards.....JL

based on a 8000hr lamp... you don't have to replace for another 2.857 years from now...:D

I bought the 52525 yesterday & returned it today. HD material looked great, but DVDs via my Bravo D1s DVI output were horrendous. Very soft, -almost blurry. My set also had an internal reflection right smack dab in the middle of the set during dark scenes. Disappointing, since I really liked the options this set offered. Probably get the "captain kirk" set tomorrow, though the pictures on the HLP63 sets looked better than the one on the HLP85 set

That's strange. I'm also using a Bravo D1 and my picture is sharp and detailed on the 52525. Better than my Pioneer Pro 530. Did you set the Bravo to 720P??

Cheers
Jeff

A few more observations...

Upon my second visit with my friend's set I decided to bring over some titles and I spent quite of bit of time on one of my favorite torture tests for digital displays, Lawrence of Arabia Superbit, chapter 7. In this scene, Lawrence rides into the desert and we're greeted by the rising sun, and a flowing dune. But the sun and the dune are hell for digital displays to display due to the limited color palette these displays typically have. The DVD player in question was a 5 year old Sony DVP-C600D changer (non-progessive). We upgraded my friend's setup to use component video (previously he had been using s-video).

The first few seconds of the pre-dawn sky was very good on this set. When the sun peeked over the horizon, the set did a much better job than I've seen of previous generation displays of rendering gradiant colors. That's not to say that there were problems, because there were. But unlike previous generation Samsungs that tend to heavily band the colors, this set seems to have a wider palette to work from, and tries to dither the differences between colors it can represent and those it can't. You can see this if you are within a few feet of the set, but if you sit back at viewing distance (8 feet+), it becomes less of a concern.

The 52525 had less effectiveness with the sand dune as the scene progressed, as the dune seemed a bit washed out. Again, it's better than I've seen from a DLP display, but it's still no match for the CRT guns in my Mitsu 65813. However, I still think that this generation of DLP has a picture quality that will impress most viewers overall.

Switching over the HD, we upgraded his Motorola 5100 to a DVI-HDMI cable ordered from BetterCables. Previously HDTV had looked very good, but the digital connection gave an added sharpness that we didn't realize could be achieved. There were no (and have been none to my knowledge) issues with HDCP and the cable box with this television.

I've been trying to get a new Harmony 659 remote to work with his setup. First, the TV is too new to be in Harmony's database, so I've had to improvise. So far, the 55315 seems to be the closest in the database to this set that I can find. Second, the 8 second delay that Harmony uses to wait for a Mitsu TV to warm up before sending it commands might not be long enough for the Mitsu DLP sets. It seems to take about 15 seconds or so for this TV to come on, so I think I'll have to work on the delay property. Also, the Harmony database seems to have an error in which discreet code is used for the HDMI port, (InputNext vs. InputSTB) but that can be adjusted and I'll see if my tweaking will work later today or tomorrow.

The Mits DLP is the closer to a CRT than any other microdisplay out there. I think Mits designed it to try to mimic a CRT. Once I did some tweaking on my Mits DLP, not a lot of tweaking, but adjusting the brightness, contrast, sharness etc. using DVE, I'm blown away. Now, I recently become bedeviled by rainbows, so I might end up getting a Mits Crt.

I can't get that 65 inch with 9 inch guns because its too big, I would love to have though. Any recommendation on a 55 Mits CRT that could rival the PQ of my DLP?

I used to have the Mitsu 55813 before I upgraded to the 65813. It doesn't have the 9 inch guns, but it has everything else the 65813 has, and I thought the light output was better on the 55" set. The picture quality is outstanding.

The 55813 is bowing to the 55815, due in stores shortly. The main difference is the new scaler, which scales all output to 1080i...this could be a good or a bad thing. Given what I've seen of the scaler in the 52525, I'm hopeful. The new set also has HDMI instead of DVI and a CableCard/QAM interface.

One thing I haven't mentioned is the new NetCommand 4.0 as opposed to the 3.0 found in last year's sets. I think they've tried to clean up some of the menus that was in the old NetCommand. Now there is a NetCommand icon where you setup NetCommand devices, which is seperate from the regular setup icon. Unfortunately, NetCommand 4.0 still suffers from a dearth of available A/V devices in it's database. It's so bad you wonder why they even bothered. Most of the devices are 4-5 years old.

One big improvement is the Antenna screen. Gone is the seperate RF inputs for Ant-A, Ant-B (both analog) and Ant-DTV. Now there is only Ant-A and Ant-B, and either can handle a DTV signal, cable or OTA. The searching for signals for OTA now will search for both digital and analog signals on the same scan, and there is a check box to bias the search for digital channels only (meaning if it sees the analog and DTV version of the same channel, it will only memorize the digital version). This worked well as the TV picked up the local ABC, NBC and PBS affiliates on DTV and everything else on analog. Curiously, the CBS signal was not found. We were using an unamplified CM Stealthtenna indoors, and I didn't have time to fool with it.

I went to Soundtrack (UE) to view the 52525 this past weekend. They also have the entire lineup of Mits RP CRTs - Silver up to Diamond. I noticed that there is a noticeable difference among the "screens" for these TVs. I'm not sure if these are advertised as "anti-glare". The top-of-the-line screens are definitely better but still have plenty of glare in well lit areas.

This has me thinking - the 525 DLP has a very reflective screen. I get the feeling that the 725 and 825 DLP will have a less-reflective screen but will still have some glare - like the top-of-the-line RPs. The glare will certainly not be as minimal as it is on the Toshibas and Samsungs. Any thoughts on this?

I know the screens can be removed. However, when you have a 14-month old child who has discovered that it is faster to walk than crawl, the protective screen might be a good idea.

I just hope I am not disappointed by the "anti-glare" screens because I really like the Mits picture, build quality, performance history, and connections. Not to mention I can get a great discount at Soundtrack.

Sevenfeet, those are the TV's Ive been trying to decide between. So in your opinion the 813 still beats out the 525? I know the advantages of CRT's but I like the advantagaes of the DLP also. I have the ability to get a 52725 or a 55813 for the same price and I am really confused, any other input from anyone would be helpful.

I was almost was set on the DLP but we just recieved a 62525 in the store I work at and the dithering of gradiant colors was terrible, almost to the point that I hope it was a defective set.

if people are complaining on the 525 series has a screen glare issue...
since the screen is just plexiglass and is easily removed and replacable... for approx. $20-30 you can go to TAP plastics and get a non-glare/ non reflective plexy cut to same size as the 525 screen... if I do end up getting the 62525... that's what I'll do..:D

Originally posted by RyeMan1
Sevenfeet, those are the TV's Ive been trying to decide between. So in your opinion the 813 still beats out the 525? I know the advantages of CRT's but I like the advantagaes of the DLP also. I have the ability to get a 52725 or a 55813 for the same price and I am really confused, any other input from anyone would be helpful.


Yes, nothing in this price class can give the butter-smooth picture you'd find in a CRT display. However, in my friend's case, a DLP display was likely the best choice given the brightness of the room (it's a sun room with large windows on two sides, blinds available). Like with any technology, CRT has inherit disadvantages that must be weighed with the superior picture quality (light output, convergence issues, size, etc).


I was almost was set on the DLP but we just recieved a 62525 in the store I work at and the dithering of gradiant colors was terrible, almost to the point that I hope it was a defective set.

I've seen worse. Again, I said that the initial sand dune scene wasn't very good. But overall, it's better than a lot of DLPs I've seen before, which may be good enough for most people. I might have more seriously considered one had the picture been of this technology rather than the previous generation. Still, my 65813 still kicks buck in the PQ race, but the performance gap is narrowing.

if people are complaining on the 525 series has a screen glare issue...
since the screen is just plexiglass and is easily removed and replacable... for approx. $20-30 you can go to TAP plastics and get a non-glare/ non reflective plexy cut to same size as the 525 screen... if I do end up getting the 62525... that's what I'll do..

You may have trouble attaching though, because the screen has 3 clips on each side the clip into slots along the edge of the TV. There is only a slot at the top and bottom.

Does anyone know how tough the rear screen is? I'm considering removing my protective screen too, but fear that the other one behind could be easily damaged. Or is it like the single screens on the Sammys and the Toshiba? The set does look kinda ugly without it also since it has the black boarder and the Mits logo.

Jeff

Originally posted by JeffZX9R
You may have trouble attaching though, because the screen has 3 clips on each side the clip into slots along the edge of the TV. There is only a slot at the top and bottom.

Does anyone know how tough the rear screen is? I'm considering removing my protective screen too, but fear that the other one behind could be easily damaged. Or is it like the single screens on the Sammys and the Toshiba? The set does look kinda ugly without it also since it has the black boarder and the Mits logo.

Jeff Shouldn't be any problem using an aftermarket anti-glare screen.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=4066840#post4066840

Can someone post a photo of the 525 series with the screen removed?

Dean

Ok ive seen the mits525 next to a sonyxbr950 the other day...While the mits looked brighter,and overall seemed to outperform the xbr, i could see much more "noise"? Artifacts?Pixels dancing in the picture much more than the xbr.. Anyone else notice this?

If I remove the 525's protective shield, what am I exposing? I understand it serves a purpose, but is the screen it is supposed to protect that easily damaged? There are no small children in my household and with the remote controls, I hardly ever go near the unit, so what can get damaged? BTW, do you think the 725's will be that much different that its protective shield won't fit on the 525?

TIA....JL

In the past, these protective screens ran somewhere in the neighborhood of $400. Without small children/pets to damage the leticular screen, there really isn't any reason to get the other screen to replace it with.

I removed the protective screen off my 50" Mits 6 years ago because of the glare and have not looked back...I actually paid $300 extra for the protective screen back then. I clean the original screen with a wet microfiber cloth and dry with a another one...I have never had a problem.

Anyone know when the MEDALLION 725 SERIES will be available? In particular the WD-52725.

Not to start a flame war, but basically what I take from this is that LCD RPTVs are still better than DLP for SD signals. The new HD2+ chip really didn't do a whole lot for that aspect of it, right?

Originally posted by jchahn
Not to start a flame war, but basically what I take from this is that LCD RPTVs are still better than DLP for SD signals. The new HD2+ chip really didn't do a whole lot for that aspect of it, right?

After seeing the 62" version last night... watching Local SD channels..the PQ was the best I've seen on any DLP or LCD sets. Way better than the Sammy HLP-5663 that I returned last week. SD was bright and as sharp as my Mits CRT PRTV WS55805.

As far as what chip is in the Mits. Salesperson told me it's not the HD2+:confused: it's Mit's own propriortory chip made by TI. don't know if its true or not...that Mits own part of Texas Instrument.

Looking forward to getting the WS62525 sometime next month...:D

Originally posted by jchahn
Not to start a flame war, but basically what I take from this is that LCD RPTVs are still better than DLP for SD signals. The new HD2+ chip really didn't do a whole lot for that aspect of it, right?


Mits does use the HD2+ chip. Anyway, SD is the only thing better that's than this current crop of DLP's. If you don't see rainbows I don't know how anyone could chose LCD over DLP.

Originally posted by rc-zombies
As far as what chip is in the Mits. Salesperson told me it's not the HD2+:confused: it's Mit's own propriortory chip made by TI. don't know if its true or not...that Mits own part of Texas Instrument.
Those darn salesmen ... they're so cute. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by jchahn
Not to start a flame war, but basically what I take from this is that LCD RPTVs are still better than DLP for SD signals. The new HD2+ chip really didn't do a whole lot for that aspect of it, right?

I'm convinced that, like many other aspects of any tv's performance...it all comes down to the source material. I know in my case, this tv is great with SD programing where others don't like it. I put that down to my cable co. more then the tv.

SRFast, I'll try and take the screen off this weekend and take a pic for you.

Originally posted by jchahn
Not to start a flame war, but basically what I take from this is that LCD RPTVs are still better than DLP for SD signals. The new HD2+ chip really didn't do a whole lot for that aspect of it, right?

The Sony DRC in their Grand Wegas is generally better than tho older Samsungs DNIE or what ever they called it. I can't understand how Samsung did so badlly with a Faroujda chip.

However, the newest generation of DLPs from Samsung and Mitsubishi have greatly improved on Samsungs first gen attempts. From what I have seen the Mitsubishis and the current Grand Wegas are almost the same in SD performance and the new Samsungs are right there in the same ballpark. (None of the three are close to my 10 year old 53" RP Sony XBR though for SD. Stick in a progressive DVD or a HD source and they all have there better and weaker points and currently the LCD weaknesses all push me to a split between the Mits and the Sammy DLPs (HD2+ only). Sony just doesn't do well enough with a computer source for me...

The attached photo shows a 525 without the glare screen. Note that
it contains some glare on the left and right from windows in full sun.
The frame of the unit is made up of cold rolled angle iron, and does
not look that good. Also the corners have the exposed joints from
the top and bottom angle iron. Next two photos will show a closeup
of them.

Also I took off the lower speaker cover in the photo. the line 20%
up from the bottom is the switch panel, with the LED's. The large
white patch on the left is the Lamp Cover area, and the lamp is
user replaceable.

In the SF Bay Area Good Guys on Tully road in San Jose has there
demo without the screen. After seeing it, I made up my mind and
brought one home from the store.

It is a challange to remove the screen as described in the manual.
First find the latches with your credit card by sliding it up and down
in the edge of the panel. Once you find them, push your credit card
in the middle one and twist it outwards after you feel it release.
Insert a finger or finger nail behind the panel, and move to the top
or bottom latches. Do the other side, and then pull outwards from
the middle pushing downward until the top comes out of the groove.
Then lift it out of the bottom grove.

I found the it was best to use the plastic wrapper that protected the
TV in shipment to wrap the screen in.


:)

francis

francis

:)

francis

many of our questions. Except for the aesthetics, do you see any problem with leaving it off? Is that your intention? I don't have a direct light problem, but would like to elminate/minimize as much of the incidental glare/reflection as possible.

TIA...JL

I plan to leave it off, since we don't have any pets or kids at home.
The grandkids should not be a problem either.

The screen appears to be a vertical lens type of screen, to get the wide
viewing angle from the set. If you stand up you can notice a small loss
of intensity. Now I see why the display's are always mounted up in the
store. The manual tells you how to clean it. The biggest problem will be
finger prints, from touching it.

With the screen on I found it unusable in the day time. But at night the
reflections are still there. My wife saw a painting in a show the first night
that looked just like ours. After a closer look it was ours reflecting off the
screen under normal lighting. The show had a wall that was dark and
hence the reflection became obvious and looked just like it belonged there.

I may look into a replacement screen that has lower reflections, or buy
some black plastic to size and cut out the center.


francis

I think I will wait for the Mits 53725 model. Does anyone know when that model will ship?

Sorry, I meant 52725

should be in a few weeks.beginning of august.

Originally posted by tmsmith
I think I will wait for the Mits 53725 model. Does anyone know when that model will ship?


Sept. 2004

fandb, thanks for saving me the trouble! :D

I contacted Mits Parts dept. (they don't sell through distributors) for the Service Manual for the WD52525 and was told it's not available yet, but when it is the cost will be $40.

Great post fandb. Thanks for the pics!!!

Definitely a different protective screen holder design than their CRTs.

1. Does your set have about 1 degree counter clockwise tilt to the
picture? Most noticable in the cable news channels crawlers.

2. Can you hear two fans in the unit? One comes on when the set
is turned on and takes one minute to turn off after the set turns
off, and a smaller one that runs as long as the set is plugged in?
It is most noticeable from the right side vents. One is the lamp fan
and the other sounds like a power supply fan.

3. Have you had to push the reset buttom on the front of the set?
After the first night mine would not power up until I pushed the reset.
I had not setup the netcommand function yet. Since then I have
had to reset about once per day. Either from on to off, or again
from off to on after another overnight. I use both the Mits remote
control, and a simpler remote for the WAF. I have also had one message
on the screen asking me to reset the netcommad remote, which I
did by moving the select switch at the top of the remote.

4. Does anybody know how to get a signal strength meter for tuning
the antenna input?


Thats all for now

francis

You actually need to press 9 - 3 - 9 on the remote while holding down the power button in order to enable netcomand mode on the remote. The select switch on the top is if you are not using netcommand but are using it as a universal remote.

1. No tilt on my set.

2. Yes. There is a small fan that is always on. Exactly where you say, right at the power supply. If you put your head back there you can hear it.

3. I had to use the reset once. They day I got the set. I was just screwing around with the NetCommand (hadn't read the manual yet) found myself in a menu and couldn't get out of it. Couldn't turn the power off or anything...RESET! :D Haven't had to touch it since.

4. I haven't the slightest idea. What's an antenna? ;)


On a completely different subject. I happened to be walking by the set while it was on a "blue screen" and noticed what I thought was a speck of dirt on the screen. When I went to wipe it off...AH HA! That's no dirt, it's a dead pixel. One lonely black pixel. Hmmmm. I assume that means one of the mirrors crapped out?

Not that I think it's worthy of a service call but should I be worried about more to come?

After four days of tweaking & viewing:

1. No noticable tilt of the image.

2. Yes, two fans. The one on the right is always active, but the quietest of the two.

3. Have not required "RESET" of unit.

4. I don't believe there is a built in antenna signal strenght meter. I would be pleasantly surprised if I am wrong.

I'm still debating about removing the protective shield. The reflections are there, but they do not obtrustive.

Regards...JL

I contacted Mits Parts dept. (they don't sell through distributors) for the Service Manual for the WD52525 and was told it's not available yet, but when it is the cost will be $40.

It can be downloaded for FREE here: http://www.mitsubishi-tv.com/PDFs/525series_OG.pdf

I have the 62" version up, and running, but I do have CableCARD issues.

I think that the set is FANTASTIC!

What kind of Cable Card issues? I am considering buying this set and I do intend to use it with the cable card.
Thank you.

Originally posted by Keyser Sose
It can be downloaded for FREE here: http://www.mitsubishi-tv.com/PDFs/525series_OG.pdf

I have the 62" version up, and running, but I do have CableCARD issues.

I think that the set is FANTASTIC! That is the Owner's Guide my friend...not the service manual.

I read the following at this link.

Are they confusing it with the 725 series? I am ready to get the 62525, the glare is the only thing holding me back...

buyinghdtv(.com)/html/hdtv_blog.html

I haven’t seen a formal release from the company since it initially announced the products in April, but my sources in retail tell me that the first of Mitsubishi’s new line of DLP microdisplays -- model number WD-52525 -- is now available. The entry-level 52-inch model retails for $4,000 and is supposed to be among the best DLPs now available in that price and size segment. The larger 62-inch WD-62525 should be available in September, which boasts an anti-glare screen that its 52-inch sibling lacks. Also coming in September are the higher-end Medallion and Diamond series of DLP microdisplays, the latter of which include a built-in high-definition digital video recorder (HD-DVR).

Please tell me what I am missing. This set sounds great except- what do I need with three firewire imputs? I know I would like at least two DVI or HDMI inputs for a DVD player and a D* box. Why would they put in just one DVI/HDMI and the three firewire. I don't really want to use a switcher. When you have a set calibrated thet do it for each input, but if you have two sources to that input does it compromise PQ? But it seems I have read somewhere that you can't do much tweaking on the digital inputs. Any clarification would be greatly appreaciated.

Originally posted by pjr
Please tell me what I am missing. This set sounds great except- what do I need with three firewire imputs? I know I would like at least two DVI or HDMI inputs for a DVD player and a D* box. Why would they put in just one DVI/HDMI and the three firewire. I don't really want to use a switcher. When you have a set calibrated thet do it for each input, but if you have two sources to that input does it compromise PQ? But it seems I have read somewhere that you can't do much tweaking on the digital inputs. Any clarification would be greatly appreaciated.

Are you looking forward to HD-DVD-R? If you are that is one reason to have Firewire. Also to connect various Firewire components on a single network, no need for gazillion interconnects, you wouldn't need two DVI/HDMI you could connect all your sources to Firewire. Firewire is really about the future.

Marc,

Have you heard anything regarding a ship date for the 2005 Mits CRT's? The only sets out there that I rather exchange my Mits DLP is for one of 2005 model Medallion or Diamond Series CRT's. These store out here where l live acts as thought they don't. I called the place where I bought my Mits DLP to ask about a release date on the 2005 Mits CRT's and the salewoman said Mits doesn't make CRT's anymore, can you believe that:rolleyes:

I am not really interested in recording at this point or networking, I just would like to find a good HDTV and DVD and be able to finally have a good HD home theater.

No firewire is really about Jack Valenti!

Anyone know if the 525 series has an on screen tv guide? Its listed as a feature on the 725 series. I remember seeing a tv guide button on the front of the 52"525 series

It does, providing of course your cable, satellite, etc. supports it.

Very confusing some of the posts. The 62525 is already out and it does not have an anti glare screen. The Medalion model will have that. Also this model does not have a TV Guide but only a listing of stantions and names.

Originally posted by dserban
Very confusing some of the posts. The 62525 is already out and it does not have an anti glare screen. The Medalion model will have that. Also this model does not have a TV Guide but only a listing of stantions and names.

If there is programing going on it will tell you what is on. For example, ESPN: Yankees v. Red Sox. If you have a satellite dish or cable box, the manual states that the guide button while show listings for some cable or satellite dishes.

Originally posted by pjr
I am not really interested in recording at this point or networking, I just would like to find a good HDTV and DVD and be able to finally have a good HD home theater.


If you had a Firewire equipped DVD, HD box, or D-VHS you would need 3 DVI/HDMI inputs, that point of Firewire.

I guess this will not work with the Cable Card, only with the box maybe.

Take a close look at all 3 pdf's from Mits on these 3 models and the only apparent differences between models are:
1. The screen (notice the 825 has a better 'anti glare' screen than the 725 does).
2. On screen TV Guide
3. The built in HDD and encoder.

I just purchased the 62" Mitsu. I saw the smaller one in the Tweeter store in Sugarland last night and the assistant manager (Steve) showed me how to take the awful screen off of the front. He was very knowledgable and helpful. I had really walked in to see when the new Samsung HLP6163W would be in. But the new Mitsu was too pretty to pass up, esp. once I saw it with the screen off.

FYI, the screen underneath appears to be the EXACT same material that comes on the Samsung set by default. I went back and forth between the two sets; tapping on the glass, feeling the texture, looking at relections and glare, etc. I couldn't tell the difference. To my mind, there is no need for the outer "Diamond Shield" screen. The salesman indicated that some people actually like the glossy look of this screen. It reminds them of the direct-view CRT sets they are used to. I'm not sure I buy this, but there must have been some reason why Mitsu put this evil thing on there.

I'm going to take my screen off and run without it until the newer sets come out with the anti-glare screens on them. Hopefully, I can just buy the "replacement part" for the newer set and put it right on mine.

Originally posted by rtmoore4
The salesman indicated that some people actually like the glossy look of this screen. It reminds them of the direct-view CRT sets they are used to. This is actually a true statement, not just some sales mumbo-jumbo. There were a few Panny CRT models that didn't come with a protective screen and everybody assumed they were inferior to the model that had it ($200 more). Sales and marketing prey on consumer ignorance.

Originally posted by Auditor55
Marc,

Have you heard anything regarding a ship date for the 2005 Mits CRT's? The only sets out there that I rather exchange my Mits DLP is for one of 2005 model Medallion or Diamond Series CRT's. These store out here where l live acts as thought they don't. I called the place where I bought my Mits DLP to ask about a release date on the 2005 Mits CRT's and the salewoman said Mits doesn't make CRT's anymore, can you believe that:rolleyes: I have heard everything from Sept to Nov. I checked at Tweeter last week and only the xxx315 was in the computer. They are still carrying the 2004 models as current. Generally, the Diamonds come last so expect to wait until Oct/Nov for them. I recommend getting a 2004 anyways becuase the 2005s no longer support native 480p.

Originally posted by Marc Alexander
This is actually a true statement, not just some sales mumbo-jumbo. There were a few Panny CRT models that didn't come with a protective screen and everybody assumed they were inferior to the model that had it ($200 more). Sales and marketing prey on consumer ignorance.

People like shiny things...

Silly people :D

I ordered the 65615 a few weeks ago (exchanging it for my broken Toshiba) and I spoke with the dealer a couple days ago and he was expecting sets in this week or next, at least that's what his distributor was telling him......

What kind of Cable Card issues? I am considering buying this set and I do intend to use it with the cable card.

Comcast has been out twice, and can't get the CableCARD to work. They told me that I was the first CableCARD installation in this area.

TV does see the card, but NOBODY knows how to activate it. Talked to SEVENTEEN different people at Comcast, but to no avail. So...... Right now I have a STB.

OBTW, I could get analog channels with the card installed.

The picture on my WD-62525 in both SD & HD is incredible.

I haven't taken the protective off of my set, however I have see one with it off and the glare is eliminated and the set still looks nice. I just don't get the extra cost for the anti-glare screen which isn't going to completely eliminate the glare. I just think Mits fumbled the ball on the on glare vs. anti-glare screens.

I don't doubt that there are people who prefer the gloss when the tv is off. Also being that I just came from a direct view CRT to this set, I think is why the glare doesn't bother me nearly as much as the rest of you. It's just like the CRT was. Where as I think most everybody else here (I'm guessing) is coming from their 1st, 2nd or even 3rd RPTV to this one.

If anyone who is running one of these sets w/o the shield has furry pets. I'd really like to hear what the screens affinity to fur is and how cleaning it goes. There is no doubt that the plexiglass is better then the CRT in this regard because of no static cling. :)

Originally posted by Keyser Sose
Comcast has been out twice, and can't get the CableCARD to work. They told me that I was the first CableCARD installation in this area.

TV does see the card, but NOBODY knows how to activate it. Talked to SEVENTEEN different people at Comcast, but to no avail. So...... Right now I have a STB.

OBTW, I could get analog channels with the card installed.

The picture on my WD-62525 in both SD & HD is incredible.

I just purchased the TV. I have TWC here and they will come next week to install the card. I hope they know more than Comcast (based on the phone conversation they have no clue).

Just to let you guys know if you check bestbuy part search the anti reflective screen prices are up for the WD-52725, and the WD-62725. I don't know exactly if it will fit the 525 series but i would imagine it will. I am not sure if i am alowed to post the prices, but the

52725 is $244
62725 is $305 both have to add shipping also

I am curious because I have TWCNYC and would be interested in using the Cablecard in my 525. I didn't know they supported it.

TIA....JL

Update on TWCNYC CableCard:
I went to the website and they had it listed. I then called CC and they weren't really well trained on the cablecard. I was going to order it, but thought better of it. I want to learn more about the cablecard before I take the plunge. I will live with my OTA and DTV-DVR until I am convinced cablecard is the way to go.

JL

Does anyone know where you can buy a Mitsubishi 62525? I live in Greensboro, NC and the local Tweeter store has the 52525 but can't find the 62525 in their computer. Any online dealers?

Thanks for the input.

Just put one on order.


francis

Your welcome

I am looking for a stand for the 62525 (getting the tv at tweeter this week). Can anyone post what stand they are using with this tv? thanks!

Originally posted by papaduxx
Just to let you guys know if you check bestbuy part search the anti reflective screen prices are up for the WD-52725, and the WD-62725. I don't know exactly if it will fit the 525 series but i would imagine it will. I am not sure if i am alowed to post the prices, but the

52725 is $244
62725 is $305 both have to add shipping also

or you can go to TAP plastics and get a non-glare lexan cut to size to fit the 525's for about $30-50

Originally posted by SRFast
I am curious because I have TWCNYC and would be interested in using the Cablecard in my 525. I didn't know they supported it.

TIA....JL

Update on TWCNYC CableCard:
I went to the website and they had it listed. I then called CC and they weren't really well trained on the cablecard. I was going to order it, but thought better of it. I want to learn more about the cablecard before I take the plunge. I will live with my OTA and DTV-DVR until I am convinced cablecard is the way to go.

JL
San Diego, CA.

Originally posted by Auditor55
Mits does use the HD2+ chip. Anyway, SD is the only thing better that's than this current crop of DLP's. If you don't see rainbows I don't know how anyone could chose LCD over DLP.

Are you saying that the HD2+ chips do better with SD content than other chips?

90% of what I watch is SD, so the SD quality of a set is the most important factor for me. I'm trying to decide what to buy now and I don't know if I could get by with a HD3 chip or if I should wait for the HD2+. I'm leaning towards waiting for the HD2+, but if it's not going to make a difference in SD picture quality, then I might as well go ahead and buy now.

Also, FWIW, I am now using an HLN series 50" Sammy and the DBS SD content is watchable, but barely. I'm hoping for a big improvement over this set in terms of SD quality. As far as HD goes, it's hard for me to see much of a difference between the various sets that I have looked at, so like I said, the SD quallty is what I'll make my purchasing decision on.

Originally posted by rc-zombies
or you can go to TAP plastics and get a non-glare lexan cut to size to fit the 525's for about $30-50

I'm with you on that! Curiosity got the best of me tonight and I took the screen off. It was very easy to remove and the 6 "clips" are mearly attached to it with double sided foam tape. They could easily be re-mounted to a new piece of plexi.

More difficult would be the black trim on the Diamond Shield that covers the unfinished looking corners. I suppose a good masking job and some satin black spray paint on the back side could do it, hmmmm.

On another note, after I took the screen off, while watching a letterboxed movie in 4:3 mode, I noticed the counterclockwise tilt after all. Damn you fandb! ;)

Originally posted by hefe
People like shiny things...

Silly people :D Just like some like 'silver' TV's!

I am looking for a stand for the 62525 (getting the tv at tweeter this week). Can anyone post what stand they are using with this tv? thanks!


#MB62525

I also now see the tilt.

Originally posted by dlnorth


Also, FWIW, I am now using an HLN series 50" Sammy and the DBS SD content is watchable, but barely. I'm hoping for a big improvement over this set in terms of SD quality. As far as HD goes, it's hard for me to see much of a difference between the various sets that I have looked at, so like I said, the SD quallty is what I'll make my purchasing decision on.

If SD is most important to you, I would look at LCD. I don't think DLP's really do a good job with SD.

If SD is most important to you, I would look at LCD. I don't think DLP's really do a good job with SD.

IMHO, my Mits WD-62525 DLP does a very good job displaying SD.

Originally posted by Reynard
I'm with you on that! Curiosity got the best of me tonight and I took the screen off. It was very easy to remove and the 6 "clips" are mearly attached to it with double sided foam tape. They could easily be re-mounted to a new piece of plexi.

More difficult would be the black trim on the Diamond Shield that covers the unfinished looking corners. I suppose a good masking job and some satin black spray paint on the back side could do it, hmmmm.

....


Masking is no problem ... both sides of the plastic is covered with protective sheet.... with a sharp exacto...cut your border and Paint...

For Paint go to you local Radio Control Hobby shop and get spray Lexan paint... enamel or laquer will peal off and crack the screen. the Laxan will stay put and flexable.

Originally posted by papaduxx
Just to let you guys know if you check bestbuy part search the anti reflective screen prices are up for the WD-52725, and the WD-62725. I don't know exactly if it will fit the 525 series but i would imagine it will. I am not sure if i am alowed to post the prices, but the

52725 is $244
62725 is $305 both have to add shipping also

Where do you see this on the bestbuy site? The only thing I could find was the Mighty Shield product.

Has anyone ever used Mighty Shield? What is the quality like on their anti-glare screen?

BTW, I have my 62" in and have removed the screen. It does look gorgeous, keeping the glare to a minimum. Now I'm just worried about the protective qualities of the screen when kids come in contact with the set. ;) I am definitely looking for a decent anti-glare replacement for the screen. If I can get the replacement part for the new 725 Mitsu sets, that would be the best, I think.

My wife says she thinks the picture looks a little "grainier" without the screen, but I think it is just a trick of the eye. Since the screen underneath has more texture than the highly-polished surface of the protective screen, your eye tends to pick that up as "grain". The picture (even for SD material) is still awesome.

Some initial thoughts on my new 62525:

It seems to be very slow when changing channels, even on analog. Has anyone else noticed this?

Picking up OTA HD or DTV signals does not seem to work on Antenna 2. I have TWC cable coming into Antenna 1 and a Radio Shack 15-1880 VHF/UHF amplified indoor antenna connected to Antenna 2. The 15-1880 got very high marks in the latest review of OTA HD reception in the August issue of Home Theater Magazine. While on Antenna 2, I receive about 25 analog channels and get XDS (station name, sub-channel name, and program being shown) information from about 12 digital channels, but I don't get any picture or sound from any of those digital channels. Any thoughts? I really want to see what actual OTA HD looks like on my set.

With the protective screen removed, the picture quality is still excellent, and the anti-glare of the screen underneath is at least as good as the Samsung HLP series (the set I was looking at before this one).

Has anyone left the screen on and found it acceptable? I will have the set in a finished basement with recessed lighting, so I can easily control the amount of light in the room. I would rather not take the screen off...

I've not removed the screen because I don't find the reflection/glare that distracting. The reflections are only noticeable when there is a dark image on the screen creating a "mirror " effect. If you look for it, you will see it, regardless of how minor it might be.

Hope this helps....JL

Does anyone have any idea what the measurements for the stand are? Or what stand goes well with it? I have to put a marantz SR5400 and a dvd player on the shelves and I'd very much like for them to fit. Also going to be using voom, an xbox, and a gamecube (I know that's not going to fit).

Can someone post a pic of their 62525? thanks

Are Best Buy and CC gonna be carrying the 62?

Anyone experimented with any kind of tweaks on their set?


Where do you have you color temperature set, low, medium or high?

I noticed some black crush on some very dark movies, have anyone else
experienced this? I tried to tweaking my set using DVE, but I don't really
care for that calibration disk, is Avia better for tweaking DLP's?

Originally posted by dshipes
Are Best Buy and CC gonna be carrying the 62?

The BB here in San Diego does have the 62" so I would think that they all do.

Originally posted by rtmoore4
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Where do you see this on the bestbuy site? The only thing I could find was the Mighty Shield product.
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If you scroll to the bottom of Bestbuy.com you'll see rows of options, for example "best buy card, replacement parts...etc"

click on the Replacement parts link ( under Product Services)
a window will come up that says "click here to order parts and accesories"
click on the arrow

click the link that says "go to partner site"

select the manufacture, Mitsubishi

put in WD-62725 for the model number and click go. you will see the parts come up just click on the anti glare screen.

I noticed some black crush on some very dark movies, have anyone else

I noticed that to-I couldnt seem to tweak it either

After months of HD hand-wringing I finally bit the bullet on a Mitsubishi 52525. For me the main competition was the Samsung HLP. I really like the Sammy, but the Mitsu won me over in the end. PQ is a toss-up in my opinion. Yes the Sammy's HD3 is smoother and the Mitsu's HD2+ shows slightly more dithering (IMO), but overall I prefer the Mitsu's crispness and richness. I find the color palette more appealing, and it has several features the Sammy lacks. Also, while SD isn't great on the 52525, from the several examples I have seen it's better than SD on the HLP. I was watching a tennis match and the distortion around important details (side and baselines, the net, Maria Sharapova's legs) on the HLP was terrible.

I have read many comments concerning the Mitsu's high price. But the difference in retail price (I don't do PowerBuys, or mail-order on large purchases) between the HLP5063 and the 52525 is usually $500 and I think that's reasonable considering the 52525's slightly larger screen size, features, and solid construction. The screen still concerns me. The set will go in my basement which has a good lighting set-up. For watching DVDs I think it will be great since most lights will be off, but if I have people over to watch football (most lights on) it might cause problems. Due to aesthetics I am not keen on taking off the screen. The rumored plastic frame might be the best solution, or maybe I can work out a deal on the anti-glare screen from the 725. I was considering holding out for the 725 altogether, but prefer the 525's styling, price, and immediate availability (I want to watch the Olympics in HD).


Anyway, the set was supposed to be delivered today between 10AM and 4PM. They couldn't give me a narrower window. It was no big deal since I was planning on hanging out around the house most of the day anyway. Every vehicle that drove past grabbed my attention, in the hope that it was the delivery van. No luck. Then the salesman calls me at 3:45 and tells me there was a mistake and they're out of stock. I was pissed. It isn't the fact that it wasn't delivered that bugs me, just the fact that it took him until 15 minutes before the end of the delivery window to let me know! I am going to raise Cane and see if I can exact some sort of customer service "compensation" from the store. Also, I am not usually the type to take advantage of 30 day satisfaction guarantees. If I buy something I keep it unless there is a defect. This time, however, I will not hesitate to make a last minute switch!

Anyway, HD-satellite is all ready and I should have the set in the next few days.

MD

Originally posted by papaduxx
put in WD-62725 for the model number and click go. you will see the parts come up just click on the anti glare screen.

Thanks!

I think I'm going to order the part# for the 825 model. They have that one also, and it is supposed to be an even better anti-glare screen than the 725. It costs more anyway, so it had better be. :)

I would be interested to know if the 52525/725/825 protective screens are interchangeable.

TIA....JL

I would like to know that also...if the anti-glare screens from the other models fit, I will be going out to buy the 62525 today

Everything I have been reading about these sets say that they are "Digital Cable Ready"

Does this mean I can ditch my Comcast Cable Box, and use the TV to search programs? Also do you guys think I should invest in the Diamond Series (so I can HD-DVR my own programs) or should I settle for the regular set now and just get the Mits HD 6000 box when it becomes available?? Anybody know the release dates, costs on those??

Chas.

You're only going to be able to ditch your cable box if your provider supports the use of a Cablecard.

Also another key point is that the cable card is a one way communication device unlike some cable boxes that allow the ordering of pay per view, which are two way communications.

I work for a large mid high end CE retailere, we just put the new Mits on the floor, right next to a samsungHLP, and the mits is really jittery. I am very dissappointed!

I just called Mitsubishi parts department, and the person I talked to said the anti-reflective screen (model 760D652020) should work no problem on the 525 series.

Originally posted by heath1066
I work for a large mid high end CE retailere, we just put the new Mits on the floor, right next to a samsungHLP, and the mits is really jittery. I am very dissappointed!

Maybe it has a problem with the bulb. I saw 2 different ones (however the signals weren't the greatest) and never noticed any shimmering.

Originally posted by jleach8
I just called Mitsubishi parts department, and the person I talked to said the anti-reflective screen (model 760D652020) should work no problem on the 525 series.


Are you going to order one? If so, let us know how it goes.

Also, have anyone calibrated their sets with DVE or AVIA.

Anyone else experiencing black crush on really scenes on TV programs and movies?

I compared the Mits 52525 and LG 52" at Ultimate Electronics and found the LG to look better. The Mits had a strong red push.

I then went to Home Theater Store in Austin and compared both. The knowlegable salesman kept telling me the Mits looked better. I told him I thought the LG looked better. He spent some time adjusting the Mits and then I could see the Mits had a better PQ. I was pleasantly suprised to see the Mits with the capability to independently adjust about 6 different colors. Wow! This is great. In my opinion the LG has done a great job with the HD2 chip compared to Samsung. However, for $800 bucks more I think I like the Mits slightly better (cablecard and ATSC tuner means about $500 of those extra bucks).

forward to hearing a comparison of the standard 525 screen to the 625 screen. If there is a great improvement, I'll order one myself.

Auditor55: What is "black crush?"

TIA...JL

Originally posted by chaslum
Everything I have been reading about these sets say that they are "Digital Cable Ready"

Does this mean I can ditch my Comcast Cable Box, and use the TV to search programs? http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=419356

Originally posted by SRFast
forward to hearing a comparison of the standard 525 screen to the 625 screen. If there is a great improvement, I'll order one myself.

Auditor55: What is "black crush?"

TIA...JL


A significant loss of detail in dark areas of the picture. Where everything that's dark just seems to mesh together. For example. If you had a man wearing a black or deep blue suit in a real dark scene you basically would only be able tosee his head, you could make out the detail of his suit.

Auditor, have you taken another look at the D'ILA ? Does it really stand up against the Mitsu ? So far I have narrowed it down to the Mitsu and Sammy 5085. Like I said I like the aesthetics of the 5085 but I cannot get the colors as good as the Mitsu. It's just that I am having a hard time getting a good price on the Mitsu, so I am still considering the Kirk, which I can probably bargain more on.

Originally posted by Mixdoctor
Auditor, have you taken another look at the D'ILA ? Does it really stand up against the Mitsu ?.


I would say that D-ILA is in the league with the Mits, some think it has better PQ than the Mits and other DLP's. The D-ILA set is brighter and colors more vibrant, some people prefer that look, I don't. I'm more geared towards movie watching and I prefer a display with good black level performance. I know none of the digitals compete with CRT in terms of black level/shadow detail, but if I'm going to purchase a digital display, I want the one that can produce decent black level. I don't think you can go wrong with the any of the sets you are considering. DLP's as well as LCOS will have some flaw because these digital display technologies are still in the early stages.

Originally posted by rtmoore4
Thanks!

I think I'm going to order the part# for the 825 model. They have that one also, and it is supposed to be an even better anti-glare screen than the 725. It costs more anyway, so it had better be. :)


FYI, the same screens are available through HHGregg's website. The pricing appears to be the same as does the interface -- same third-party parts supplier???

The rundown on screens from the Mits product literature is as follows:

525 Diamond Shield (Super Glare :D)
725 Anti-glare Diamond Shield
825 High Transmissivity Anti-glare Diamond Shield

Tried to call Mits parts to verify 825 compatibility with WD-62525 and they closed 20 minutes ago.

I noticed the WD-62725 was listed as an award winner of the 17th Annual Video Grand Prix Awards. Hopefully the August issue of Audio Video magazine will have some comparative testing.

avi.dempa(dot net)/grandprix/videogrand.html

I think I mentioned that I used the Avia disc with my set Auditor55. For me at least, the white & black level & sharpness adjustments that you would normally use (& need) on a CRT display were completely unnecessary for this set.

For example, even with the contrast maxed, there was no "blooming" at all. In the end I just ended up knocking the red & green levels back about 3 clicks each (from center) and then have the brightness & contrast levels set to what looks good to me for all the various sources I have (cable, dvd, laserdisc, vcr, game consoles).

I'm happy that the tv remembers each inputs settings independent from one another that's for sure. :)

Originally posted by Reynard
I think I mentioned that I used the Avia disc with my set Auditor55. For me at least, the white & black level & sharpness adjustments that you would normally use (& need) on a CRT display were completely unnecessary for this set.

For example, even with the contrast maxed, there was no "blooming" at all. In the end I just ended up knocking the red & green levels back about 3 clicks each (from center) and then have the brightness & contrast levels set to what looks good to me for all the various sources I have (cable, dvd, laserdisc, vcr, game consoles). The picture adjustments are still necessary, just different criteria on digital displays vs CRT. Instead of blooming, you should be looking for white/black crush. The DVE disc actually has specific/better patterns for adjusting contrast/brightness on digital displays (crush becomes very obvious). On AVIA, use Gray Scale steps and ramps.

Originally posted by Auditor55
I would say that D-ILA is in the league with the Mits, some think it has better PQ than the Mits and other DLP's. The D-ILA set is brighter and colors more vibrant, some people perfer that look, I don't. I'm more geared towards movie watching and I prefer a display with good black level performance. I know none of the digitals compete with CRT in terms of black level/shadow detail, but if I'm going to purchase a digital display, I want the one that can produce decent black level. I don't think you can go wrong with the any of the sets you are considering. DLP's as well as LCOS will have some flaw because these digital display technologies are still in the early stages.

You said the colors are more vibrant, but are they just as realistic as the Mitsu ? I am trying to figure out if the Mitsu is worth the nearly $800 difference in price over the D'ILA ?

Originally posted by Mixdoctor
You said the colors are more vibrant, but are they just as realistic as the Mitsu ? I am trying to figure out if the Mitsu is worth the nearly $800 difference in price over the D'ILA ?


In my personal opinion and from what I' have seen, I don't think D-ILA picture is as realistic as the Mits, others may disagree. The one thing I like about the D-ILA is no rainbows.

I think the Mits is so much higher than D-ILA because it has more features such as, ATSC tuner, Cablecard, HDMI, Firewire etc. The next line of D-ILA's coming out this fall will have will features comparable to the Mits, ATSC tuner, Cablecard, Firewire, HDMI etc. and will be priced similiar to the Mits set.

Some don't need those features so they will choose to purchase Toshiba's, Samsungs and now the D-ILA over the Mits.

Nearly $800? If you're looking at the power buy price, it's closer to $1000 difference. Plus, what? $300-$500 more for a glare screen upgrade??

I like the Mits a lot. The PQ is the best of all the digital TV's I've looked at... but it still has flaws - and that's not worth an extra grand to me.

Hi all,

Does anybody have a release date for the Mits WD-52725 ? There are small children and cats in the house so the protective screen is a must. Plus there are window on the opposite wall with blinds. So I really want the Anti-Reflective screen. I viewed the 525 and was not to crazy about the reflections off the screen.

As a side note are there any other HDTV's with protective screens either out of comming out this summer or fall. The Mits was the only one I have seen so far.

Thanks,
Steven

Originally posted by optonline2001
There are small children and cats in the house so the protective screen is a must. Plus there are window on the opposite wall with blinds. So I really want the Anti-Reflective screen. I viewed the 525 and was not to crazy about the reflections off the screen.


I also have cats and windows on the far side of the room from the set. I went ahead and took the protective screen off and haven't worried about it. I would be a little more worried with kids, I guess, but I'm not convinced the screen is a must. My thought process is, that the screen behind is the same as the Sammy HLP screen, so do I even really need the protective screen? I'm thinking, no. I may spring for the replacement part from Mits for the 825, just for peace of mind. Hard to say.

Also, has anyone else gotten OTA HD signals to work with this set? I can't get it to work on either Antenna-1 or 2. All I get is a big gray screen on any Digital station. Analog ones (the 18 or so that I can get through the Antenna) work fine. Like I said before, I'm getting the XDS info., and the analog stations look really good for SD, so I know my antenna works. It's really weird. Do I have a defective ATSC tuner?

Oh yeah, and I also noticed the counterclockwise tilt to the image when in PC mode. It's much easier to see it there due to all of the straight lines in windows and text. I don't really notice it that much in any other mode, even though you can pick it up reasonably easy by looking at the black bars on a 2.35:1 aspect ratio DVD in component mode. Weird that all of the sets seem to have that problem. You would think someone would have caught that and corrected the assembly line robot that puts in the light engine or HD2+ chip or whatever is out of alignment. Mitsubishi should really have a fix for this. It can't be that hard to fix. Just rotate whatever part is out of alignment by 2 degrees and be done with it. I don't think this is enough for me to take the set back if they don't fix it, but I'm still a little up in the air about it.

Well Auditor, I am one up on you, I don't see rainbows, so the DLP's are fine in that regard. What I am sensitive to is that shimmering effect DLP can give you especially on the bright scenes. On the Mitsu it's almost negligible on the Kirk ot still seems it a little present. Maybe there is a way to eliminate it. As long as I don't see that shimmering and lots of noise I am fine with a set.

I have seen the color wheel for the Mits WD-52725 I admit it looks pretty cool It has the two red and green right next to each other with a small light gray section about15% of the wheel. The best price I found was $2940.00 for the 52in. $3528.00 for the 62in. However that is just about cost. So expect a nice mark up!

towards an OTA HD broadcast tower and not getting HD broadcasts, you need to "program" the ANT1/ANT2 tuners. The programming process scans all the channels (analog & digital) and memorizzes them. Refer to the owner's manual for the details. You will get a blue screen until this process is completed.

Hope this helps...JL

Auditor55 - you mentioned plans to get the fan mod at one point. Did you get the fix completed? If so, which ASC in the Bay area did this for you? I'm a 52525 owner and hear the noise too and would like to know that the ASC that does my mod had done it before. I actually don't think the fan noise is that bad (you can only hear it when the TV or AV receiver volume is really low) but want to get it done before my 30 day refund window is up for peace of mind.

Took the plunge and ordered the 62525 yesterday. Should have it in a couple of days. I'm going to see how the glare is and then maybe order the 725 screen. I got a pretty good deal at Tweeter. Anyone using a stand other than the matching base? They didn't have them in stock, so I need to get something else asap! thanks

I am a newbie here,but have used this forum over the past 5 weeks to help make the purchasing decision, and really appreciate all the comments. They really helped:D

I looked at just about everything, and came down to the sony GWIII, of the Samsung, 60" HLN. Saw the new HLP at CC but wanted the +2 chipset, and was particularly intrigued by the discussions of the new MITS. When our retailer, Good Vibes, said they were getting two sets in - 62525, I had to wait and see.

Glad I waited. SIde by side comparison of the three made the decision for me. Just had the MITS 62525 delivered last evening. So far it is tremendous, but only looking at SD from Dish. WOn't get HD receiver and antenna installed until next week. I have been impressed with the SD on this set, think the new chip does a good job - local channels over Dish still suck. Star Trek: Nemesis was on last night and it looked great, just running S-video. The old Toshiba, running component,progressive scan, looked amazing on this set, LOTR and Star Wars I, never looked better

No rainbows - yet - knock wood. Straightforward operation. Fan noise is not noticeable except during the power down.

THE SCREEN - Yes, it is very noticeable during the day, but only slightly annoying, and wife uses it during the day soooo... At night, the room lighting is average, and no problem. Will probably wait and see who complains, and then examine the 725 or 825 screens, so would appreciate anyones experience with that.

Thanks to everyone for your assistance, I hope I can add something with my experiences as they develop.

SamCarp

That's great news, glad you are enjoying it. SD pic quality was big for me, so I'm glad the Mits looks good.

Anyone here knows the KEF Kit 100 surround sound? Both my 62525 and the Kef will be delivered on Friday and I am wandering if they will work well together.
Also, is the remote on the TV programmable?

Originally posted by Mixdoctor
Well Auditor, I am one up on you, I don't see rainbows, so the DLP's are fine in that regard. What I am sensitive to is that shimmering effect DLP can give you especially on the bright scenes. On the Mitsu it's almost negligible on the Kirk ot still seems it a little present. Maybe there is a way to eliminate it. As long as I don't see that shimmering and lots of noise I am fine with a set.

So what is it going to be Mits, D-ILA or Cpt. Kirk? I know that person Umr ripped the D-ILA apart, I actually thought he was to harsh because all of these digital sets have flaws, including his beloved GWIII.

As far as rainbows go, you may not see them initially but you could later on, especially if you are the type that look for flaws with your set so that you can have a reason to return and get something else. If you are member of the AVS forum you are probably like that.

I see shimmering sometimes on my Mits, but not too often. I see noise on every type display out there, including CRT's and Plasma.

I'm about to pull the trigger and get a 52525. My local UE is offering 10% off which helps. My only concern is about getting an extended warrenty. To you people who have already bought the Mit, what kind of warrenty did you buy with it?

Originally posted by ZenbioCitation
I have seen the color wheel for the Mits WD-52725 I admit it looks pretty cool It has the two red and green right next to each other with a small light gray section about15% of the wheel. The best price I found was $2940.00 for the 52in. $3528.00 for the 62in. However that is just about cost. So expect a nice mark up!

I would buy one if they were that cheap.

Originally posted by Auditor55
So what is it going to be Mits, D-ILA or Cpt. Kirk? I know that person Umr ripped the D-ILA apart, I actually thought he was to harsh because all of these digital sets have flaws, including his beloved GWIII.

As far as rainbows go, you may not see them initially but you could later on, especially if you are the type that look for flaws with your set so that you can have a reason to return and get something else. If you are member of the AVS forum you are probably like that.

I see shimmering sometimes on my Mits, but not too often. I see noise on every type display out there, including CRT's and Plasma.

Damn, don't tell me about the rainbows thing. The place that I would buy it from does has a no return policy, as a matter of fact most of the places have a no return policy except for BB and CC which are not getting this set for at least several weeks.

Right now it's between the Mit and Kirk. I like the Mit, but wow it's expensive. I can get the Kirk 5085 a cheaper(It's a Samsung). Deep down in my heart I believe the Mitsu is a better set, but the Kirk is different and I like different.

Originally posted by Orlun
I'm about to pull the trigger and get a 52525. My local UE is offering 10% off which helps. My only concern is about getting an extended warrenty. To you people who have already bought the Mit, what kind of warrenty did you buy with it?

Hi...I haven't had any direct experience with the UE Performance Guarantee, but when I spoke with someone there the other day it sounded attractive, if you want extended coverage. From what I understand, their warranty includes one maintenance visit (mirror cleaning, etc.--not to be confused with a re-calibration), and if you don't have to call anyone out for the term of the contract (not counting the maintenance visit-you still get that), they will give you 1/2 the price you paid for the PG back in store credit. Plus, they say that the guarantee is that it will still perform to your satisfaction...that coverage doesn't end where the manufacturer's warranty does. All in all, it sounds pretty good, I have to admit. And I am not real big on extended warranties and the like....it would be great to hear from someone that has actually had one, though....

Randy

I seem to be in the same place as a lot of folks deciding between the Samsung, Mits etc.. Went in to the local Magnolia ( the high end BB ) to see the Mits and they also had the Kirk there. They use a Direct TV feed.The MIts was alot darker and did not have the contrast of the Kirk. The salesman told me they were very dissappointed in the Mits. They had the rep from Mits and a tech come out to improve the picture but to no avail. He also said the Mits does not have the HD2+ chip. It is a HD2 chip. He also said there are two versions of the HD2 chip and the Mits has the larger version whatever that means.This was told to him by the rep. Do we know for sure the Mits has the HD2+? I expected the two sets to look very similar.

Richard

Richard,
Did Magnolia carry the Toshiba DLP's? I've seen a lot of comaparisons on this board between the two. I've seen the Mits, but nobody has the Toshiba yet where I live. A road trip to Sacramento (Magnolia) will be in order if they carry both the Toshiba and Mits.

Originally posted by David Scott
Richard,
Did Magnolia carry the Toshiba DLP's? I've seen a lot of comaparisons on this board between the two. I've seen the Mits, but nobody has the Toshiba yet where I live. A road trip to Sacramento (Magnolia) will be in order if they carry both the Toshiba and Mits.

Magnolia won't be carrying the Toshiba DLP's...
2 places that will have them is BestBuy and Video Only.
Video Only is selling it to me the 62HMX84 for $3600 + $250 for 4year extended warrantee and it covers the bulb..
Calif. Video only stores...:
California Stores

San Francisco
1199 Van Ness Avenue, San Francisco, CA 94109
(415) 563-5200
FAX 563-1837

San Mateo
1801 South Grant Street, San Mateo, CA 94402
(650) 578-1212
FAX 578-1217

Hayward
24040 Hesperian Boulevard, Hayward, CA 94545
(510) 785-1470
FAX 785-5856

Dublin
6920 Amador Plaza Road, Dublin, CA 94568
(925) 829-2900
FAX 829-1156

Originally posted by Richard Ulery
I seem to be in the same place as a lot of folks deciding between the Samsung, Mits etc.. Went in to the local Magnolia ( the high end BB ) to see the Mits and they also had the Kirk there. They use a Direct TV feed.The MIts was alot darker and did not have the contrast of the Kirk. The salesman told me they were very dissappointed in the Mits. They had the rep from Mits and a tech come out to improve the picture but to no avail. He also said the Mits does not have the HD2+ chip. It is a HD2 chip. He also said there are two versions of the HD2 chip and the Mits has the larger version whatever that means.This was told to him by the rep. Do we know for sure the Mits has the HD2+? I expected the two sets to look very similar.

Richard

Wow, they must have gotten a bad set. The Mitsu generally has the most clear, lifelike picture of all the DLP's I have seen, with the Kirk and Toshiba not too far behind. It does have the HD2+ chip in it.

Originally posted by jleach8
Took the plunge and ordered the 62525 yesterday. Should have it in a couple of days. I'm going to see how the glare is and then maybe order the 725 screen. I got a pretty good deal at Tweeter. Anyone using a stand other than the matching base? They didn't have them in stock, so I need to get something else asap! thanks

I bought the IKEA Magiker TV Unit (http://www.ikea-usa.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10101&storeId=12&productId=11726&langId=-1&parentCats=10104*10173*10414). It's 51 inches wide, not sure how wide the 62" tv is though.


Here's my 52 on it (sans Diamond Shield ;)):

http://premium.uploadit.org/reynard/Media-center-resize.jpg

Originally posted by Richard Ulery
This was told to him by the rep. Do we know for sure the Mits has the HD2+? I expected the two sets to look very similar.

Richard


Don't listen to your that sales rep, he probably wanted you to purchase something else, maybe 8k Plasma. Anyway, the Mits does have the HD2+ chip and 7 segment color wheel. Take a look at Reynard's pic, does his Mits look too dark to you?. When I saw the Mits next to the Cpt. Kirk at Magnolia, I thought they looked very similiar. If you want to know something about display's, what you read here in the AVS forum is more times than not more credible than what them sales persons are telling you.

If you want real bright display, take a look at the D-ILA. In my opinion, there isn't any real differences in brightness between the Mits and Cpt. Kirks.

As mentioned, Magnolia does not carry the Tosh but BB has it. Unfortuneately, they have it sitting high so you really can't tell what it looks like. Looked at the new Pany at GG and it looked very pixelated. The plasmas around it with the same feed looked fine. In the same area was the Philips lcos and it also was pixelated like the Pany but not as bad.

Richard

Originally posted by SRFast
towards an OTA HD broadcast tower and not getting HD broadcasts, you need to "program" the ANT1/ANT2 tuners. The programming process scans all the channels (analog & digital) and memorizzes them. Refer to the owner's manual for the details. You will get a blue screen until this process is completed.

Hope this helps...JL

I don't mean to offend, but I'm not an idiot. Of course I read the manual and did the "Memorize Channels" on both Ant-1 and Ant-2 with the antenna connected to each one consecutively. Neither one will pull in a digital picture or audio, but it will pull in the XDS information from them AND picture-perfect analog stations just fine. I didn't say it was displaying a blue picture when manually tuning in a digital station, I said it was a solid gray picture with no audio.

FYI, I have been to Antennaweb.org and they indicate I am only 13 miles from the DTV towers and I only need the smallest antenna possible, without even a pre-amp. Here I am using a high-quality, amplified antenna, pointed in the correct direction, and I still get squat.

On another subject, I picked up a CableCARD from TWC here in Houston yesterday, gave them a call with the appropriate number strings to activate it last night, but they couldn't get it working. I haven't checked yet to see if they got it working during the day today, but it sounds like this may be a more difficult process than was desired by the FCC. :) Anyone else gotten CableCARD to work on these sets?

I will have mine on Friday and I will post.

Anyone using a SA Tivo with these TVs?

Interesting you mentioned the Mits was not very bright. I have looked at 5 or 6 different Mits dlp setups now and most of the time i considcered the set to have excellent color and good brightness at factory default settings but there were two sets that did seem to be very dark even with the contrast boosted. Is there some auto control that would override the contrast settings?

Originally posted by rtmoore4
...Here I am using a high-quality, amplified antenna, pointed in the correct direction, and I still get squat.

There have been people whose experience with other ATSC tuners is that when the digital signal is too strong, it actually overdrives the receiver, impeding reception/decoding. You say you are 13 miles away and have a hi quality antenna and an amp. This may be too much. Just for grins, see if you have some old rabbit ears or an inside antenna that you can hook up and try. I did this with my tuner, I am 41 miles away from the Chicago stations, and I got about 4 of them in with no problem. In the end you may need to ditch the amp.

rtmoore4: Sorry I upset you. Just wanted to pass along some information.

I ordered a CableCARD from TWCNYC and they said it required a tech visit. The tech is scheduled for Thursday and will post my experience after he leaves. I already have the SA8000 DTV DVR and will be keeping it because I want to record programs. I will have CableCARD on ANT1, roof antenna on ANT2 and the SA8000 on INPUT1.

Regards....JL

I was all ready to sell my 10 month old GWIII and buy the Mits DLP. That is, until I saw one.

It was displayed next to a GWIII. Although the picture between both sets were different in terms of color (which could more than likely be adjusted out) what I found objectionable was with any kind of camera movement, the Mits shows some kind of blockiness (sorry for the lack of the correct technical term). It was like it couldn't keep up repainting the screen, whereas the Sony could. Sports could be a real problem for the Mits. I could not tell a significant difference in black levels between the two sets as they weren't displayed in low ambiant lighting.

I'm a big fan of Mitsubishi and was looking forward to making the switch back. Maybe their next generation will do better.

Originally posted by SRFast
rtmoore4: Sorry I upset you. Just wanted to pass along some information.

I ordered a CableCARD from TWCNYC and they said it required a tech visit. The tech is scheduled for Thursday and will post my experience after he leaves. I already have the SA8000 DTV DVR and will be keeping it because I want to record programs. I will have CableCARD on ANT1, roof antenna on ANT2 and the SA8000 on INPUT1.

Regards....JL

SRFast: You didn't upset me. I was just hoping for some more useful information than what was in the manual. ;)

Well, I figured out two things tonight:

One: The TV had to be hard reset (tiny push-button on the front) in order to complete CableCARD initialization. I never would have found this out had I not been on the "Memorize Channels" screen for DTV tuning and the TV "locked up". It wouldn't do anything. After about 5 minutes of hitting every button I could think of, I finally hit the reset button. When the TV came back up, it displayed a message like, "CableCARD initialization complete."

Two: Once this happened, OTA HDTV channels just started working. I can't explain it.

hefe: You are absolutely right, if the amp is being used, the picture drops immediately. I tried both options before and it wouldn't work at all. After the hard reset and continuing to play with it, I discovered the amp caused the analog picture to go to cr@p and the digital channels to drop. I guess it is too strong or something.

It looks like the hard reset was ultimately the trick. Not very comforting, but there it is.

Oh yeah, and TWC-Houston still can't get my CableCARD enabled in their system. They promised (again) that it would be done tonight. Two days and counting...

They did let me pick it up from the retail store and install it myself, which was nice. That saved me a truck roll fee. It might have been worth the fee, though, with all the headache it has been to try and get this done.

Well, last night I pulled the trigger and hauled a Mits 52525 home. It was pretty late so I didn't get much of a chance to give it a workout but I do have a few impressions.

First was that in my basement family room with the lower light levels I had no screen reflection issues so the protection screen will stay on just fine.

Second, I was surprised at how good many of my standard cable channels looked. A few looked like crap of course but quite a few were as good or better then the 32" crt it replaced. I can't wait to get my HD set up.

Third, I hooked up my old cheapy non-progressive DVD player and found it was amazingly better then I hoped. Now, I am in no hurry to get a progressive DVD upgrade which will give them time to lower the price and work out the kinks on the newer models. Maybe even stretch the wait out till HD-DVD

--

On the negative side...

Only negative was fan noise. I could really notice it when the room was quiet and nothing was playing on the TV. During playback, you cant tell though. I did a bit of expermenting and I think the majority of the fan noise problem I have is due to the built in enclose I made when I finished my basement years ago. It is basically a sheetrock wall niche about 7 feet wide by 3' deep and the problem comes from the fact that the sides are sheetrock and are angled to face the view at 45 degrees. These hard walls are perfect for bouncing the fan sounds from the rear of the TV towards the viewer. I placed a throw pillow on each side about 8 inces away from the TV and the sounds dropped drastically. I think if I come up with some sort of wall treatment for my angled walls it would keep the sound from bouncing. Till then, the pillows can lay back their as they are behind my home theater speakers anyway.

So far, I dont think I have seen a rainbow. In fact, I stop myself from looking because I have heard that once you go rainbow, you never go back!


So far, I am happy with the Mits.

By the way, UE gave me 10 percent off list and I added a three year extended warrenty. They will also match any lower prices in the area for 60 days.

That's the way to do it Orlun. Once you go looking for flaws, you'll find them, and you'll regret it the rest of the way ;)

Originally posted by JimP
Sports could be a real problem for the Mits. I could not tell a significant difference in black levels between the two sets as they weren't displayed in low ambiant lighting.

I'm a big fan of Mitsubishi and was looking forward to making the switch back. Maybe their next generation will do better.


I can tell you right now and emphatically so, sports on the Mits DLP is its unquestionable strong point!! I was watching a rebroadcast of a college football game in HD the picture quality was amazing. I can also tell you that the Mits is superior to any LCD in black level performance, still can't beat CRT, but better than the GWlll in that department.

The only thing out there that I would purchase over the Mits DLP is a Mits CRT. Because I see rainbows and I think CRT's handle blacks better.

Auditor55

You missed my point. The part of my post that your quote left out is what I said about how the set handles motion. That's the part that is relevant to sports.

Sorry you see rainbows. I see the perfect TV, but its only in my mind. ;-)

Any lip-sync issues or video lag with the new mits anyone?

Originally posted by JimP
Auditor55

You missed my point. The part of my post that your quote left out is what I said about how the set handles motion. That's the part that is relevant to sports.

Sorry you see rainbows. I see the perfect TV, but its only in my mind. ;-)


I know I left that out because I have been asked by the moderator to pair down my quotes. Anyway, the proof is in the pudding. I have seen sports on my Mits and it handles them well, no motion blur like you get with LCD RPTV's. The Mits may have some other issues, but as far as I can see, displaying HD sports isn't one of them. Just ask others how own the Mits DLP if they are having any motion problems with sports.

Any better release dates available for the 52725?

Or the 62725?

Or any of the Diamond Series?

Originally posted by jleach8
I just called Mitsubishi parts department, and the person I talked to said the anti-reflective screen (model 760D652020) should work no problem on the 525 series.

When I talked to the Mitsubishi parts, I was forwarded to Mitsubishi Customer Relations (949) 830-8364.

Customers Relations advised that there MAY be "other factors" involved when attempting to substitute the shield from one model to another.

I have a 725 on pre-order, and will be getting it ISF calibrated.

So, my questions are:

1) If I were to change the 725 shield out for the 825 shield, will it still be possible to ISF calibrate properly ??

2) Has anyone talked to Mitsubishi Engineering regarding this? I'm certain the parts department is not qualified to know, and probably not Customer Relations either.

Rick

Originally posted by Zues
Any lip-sync issues or video lag with the new mits anyone?

My wife caught a very slight lip-synch lag issue watching Navy NCIS off of TiVo last night. I haven't seen it in anything else, so it may just have been a source issue. I'm really watching for that, as it would really affect my enjoyment of this set.

Originally posted by JimP
I was all ready to sell my 10 month old GWIII and buy the Mits DLP. That is, until I saw one.

It was displayed next to a GWIII. Although the picture between both sets were different in terms of color (which could more than likely be adjusted out) what I found objectionable was with any kind of camera movement, the Mits shows some kind of blockiness (sorry for the lack of the correct technical term). It was like it couldn't keep up repainting the screen, whereas the Sony could. Sports could be a real problem for the Mits. I could not tell a significant difference in black levels between the two sets as they weren't displayed in low ambiant lighting.

I'm a big fan of Mitsubishi and was looking forward to making the switch back. Maybe their next generation will do better.

What is a GWIII?

Originally posted by tmsmith
What is a GWIII?


Sony Grand Wega 3 LCD RPTV.

Originally posted by rtmoore4
My wife caught a very slight lip-synch lag issue watching Navy NCIS off of TiVo last night. I haven't seen it in anything else, so it may just have been a source issue. I'm really watching for that, as it would really affect my enjoyment of this set.

Could you please tell me how is the Tivo connected?

Thank you.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by fandb
[B]1. Does your set have about 1 degree counter clockwise tilt to the
picture? Most noticable in the cable news channels crawlers.


fandb,

I just picked up my WD-52525. I noticed the tilt problem on the store model. Sure enough, mine has the tilt as well.

Did you find a way to get the screen level?

I broke out the 52 inch in my store this evening, and placed it right above the 50 inch HLP. There is literally, NO comparison.

Better or worse????????


I broke out the 52 inch in my store this evening, and placed it right above the 50 inch HLP. There is literally, NO comparison.


Last edited by The Krakken on Today at 02:54 AM

What is the overall consensus in regards to the tilt problem? I am getting my TV on Friday and the store I bought it from has a no return policy.
Should I get it or not?

The one at my store also has a very slight tilt. I wouldn't have noticed if I hadn't read about it here. I'd still buy it in a heartbeat. I agree with The Krakken. There is no comparision. The color and detail on this tv is great!

Originally posted by dserban
Could you please tell me how is the Tivo connected?

From wall jack -> Moto 6200 -> TiVo -> Mits. All connections from Cable box to TiVo to TV are S-Video with standard RCA analog audio. I've watched a lot of other TiVo content, though, and have never noticed this. I'm thinking it was a source issue. I've noticed that ever since I got the cable box, some shows will have a little bit of audio synch problems. If I hook the cable up directly to the TV or to the TiVo, I don't have any problems with this.

JimP, I have to agree with Auditor55 in regards to fast motion.

If you couldn't tell from the pic I posted, my thing is motorsports. I can assure that my set has no problem with fast motion. Between all the racing I watch and all the gaming I do, this set has been nothing but exemplary.

Can't wait for hockey season. :D

dserban, just like fireshoes said, if not for this forum, I would never have noticed the tilt either. I can't see it at all if the whole screen is filled, only when when looking at the black bars (either vertical or horizontal). It's certainly not like you're loosing any image because of it, like you do with the overscan for instance.

I'm most curious about biggersbetter's post. What exactly does an ISF calibration get you with a DLP tv? I thought that was a "CRT thing" to do.

Reynard

All I can say is that the Mits was next to the Sony GWIII and both were fed this underwater scene from PBS. Any time the camera panned, the Mits displayed a rough blockiness that the Sony didn't have.

Perhaps its not as noticable without another set next to it that doesn't display this, but it is definately there.

As far as the tilt goes, the Samsung HLN that I owned for 7 months had a slight tilt also. My 35' Sony Direct view didn't have it until I moved. I wonded if the tilt gets out of adjustment when the set is moved.

Does anyone know when Best Buy will be carrying these? And also, when are the 725 series supposed to be released (I know Best Buy won't carry those)?

Going on day 3 now with the new 52525. Still love it and so far have not seen any lip sync issues, tilt, rainbows or pixilization.

I called my local cable provider (MIdcontinent) about picking up a Cablecard so I could get HD. They said "a what?" even though their main website has been promoting and saying that cablecard has been available for over two months. The call ended with their customer support taking my phone number and saying they will call me back... 2 days ago. sigh

Time for a polite email mentioning that I am posting my experiences with this process on avsforums. :-)

never guessed:D

I am into motorsports also. I am a SCCA Club/National/Pro racer and follow the F1, Champ Car and any other road racing series. I've been going to the Montreal GP since 1983. BTW, how do we sign up for Bernie's F1 races in HD?

Regards....JL

Reynard, SRFast

I would also like to know about any road races in HD. Not interested in NASCAR, but if you hear of any F1, CART, LeMans, US/World Superbike or MotoGP in HD pleeeeeease post!

Good to hear the Mits handles fast motion racing well. This may be the set for me.

CBS is televising an American LeMans race from Mosport, Ont. on Sunday, 08/08/2004, 13:00 ET. Since CBS is an OTA HD channel, you should have no problem getting it.

Hope this helps....JL

BTW, I am waiting at home for the TWC guy to show up and install my CableCARD!

Okay folks,
Here's my 2 cents... I just bought a 52"525 and spend the last couple of days with it.

For me, the fan noise is noticable, but not offensive. My stock ECP 4501 needed a fan mod much more than the 525. As a matter of fact, I seem to remember the DTC 100 and my QSC amps being more offensive. That said, I will probably get around to finding a way to quiet the mitz a bit in the comming months.

As far as the screen,the reflectance is not an issue for me. I thought it might be when I saw it in the store, but once I got it into place luck won out. I really don't have any noticable reflection problems. Now, once the new models come out and I see the screens, I reserve the right to change my mind.

SD picture quality... sucks. As my Dad used to say, "You can't polish a turd,". The 525 does a good job here, but the image is fundamentally outclassed by HD. Earlier in the thread there were refrences to 'how a DLP does SD". Well, the DLP light engine doesn't have the inherent smoothness of a CRT. This is a double egded sword. SD may look better with a CRT's tendency to smoth things over, but, at least in my recent experience, DLP wins for HD.

DVD picture quality? Couldn't tell ya, havent gone there yet.
X Box? Looks same as on the 4501, but the lights are on!

I HAVE NEVER SEEN A BETTER PICTURE FOR HD WITH THE LIGHTS ON

I own 30 and 34" Philips direct view sets, an ECP4501 that displays on a 45 x 80 screen, and a hodge-podge of stuff left over from when I installed HT, and I've never seen HD look this good for less that 5K, and rarely for less than 10k

The reason I pulled the trigger on this purchase was the connectivity and flexability of the input package on the rear of the set.

There's the long and short of my input... fire away if you have questions.

Sean

Long time lurker, but had to post...

Ive had the 52525 for about a week, and so far am pleased with it. So far no issues with tilt, PQ, or Rainbows, but getting the unit integrated with my Yamaha RXV1300 took some doing. (I'm trying to get used to having my Mits do all the work of the switching... mixed results) Before yesterday, when the cable came in, I played around with some small antennas to get OTA DTV off the local stations and was able to get better reception than my old DCT-100. (I get lousy reception from my location, against the valley wall.) Time Warner Cable guy came in with the CableCard, and he said he had only installed it once before, so I brought up the CableCard window for him. After a phone call and a few minutes while my distribution panel was getting worked on, (was getting my cable modem up too!) all the DTV started to work off the card.

I guess that CableCard is still pretty new to a lot of the cable people, as I had to get routed thru Tech Services and then to a special CSR to get it, but as these new Digital Cable ready sets get out there, it should be real easy in the future. I'm not sure why the installer has to come out for this, because it seemed pretty easy to me.

Ben

What do you think of "video noise" on the Mits?

What I mean is, when I see a wall, or something with essentially one color field, on the Mits I see noise where on the Samsung 5063, it looks more solid. Do you notice this?

Originally posted by canaugle
Reynard, SRFast

I would also like to know about any road races in HD. Not interested in NASCAR, but if you hear of any F1, CART, LeMans, US/World Superbike or MotoGP in HD pleeeeeease post!

Good to hear the Mits handles fast motion racing well. This may be the set for me.

All the Champcar races & final qualifying are shown live on HDNet. :cool:

It looks fecking beautiful!

http://premium.uploadit.org/reynard/HD-Bourdais-resize.jpg

Yes, beautiful! Where can I get a Mits. or a Toshiba in Pittsburgh, PA?

SRFast,

Thanks for the info. on the LeMans race on Sunday on CBS HD. Two problems with that though:
1.) I don't have an HD TV yet.
2.) I'll be at Road America Sunday for the Champcar race. Woohoo!!!

Reynard,

Thanks for posing the pic of the Champcar race. That's beautiful! Good to hear the Mits handles fast motion well. I think I'm going to go with the Mits for my first HD TV. I'll see what the HD2+ Sammy 5674 looks like this fall, and hopefully pick up a good deal between Thanksgiving & Christmas.....if I can hold out that long!!!

TWCNYC screwed up my CableCARD order. I stayed home from work today and waited all day for the tech to show up with the card. When he arrived, he had no clue of why he was there. He went as far as to tell me TWCNYC didn't offer the service. After I told him call his supervisor, he said he would and then got into his truck and left. The man was an idiot.

I finally contacted a superviosr at TWCNYC and they told me that the CableCARD order should have been routed to another area and not handled as a regular install. Because I refuse to take another workday off, I won't get my card until 08/14. Very annoying. I am not a happy camper. Thankfully I have great OTA HDTV reception.

Regards....JL

BTW, how do I get HDnet? Is it just a DirecTV offering?

I have TWCNYC too. What do you loose by going the Cablecard route ? Let us know how it works out for you.

Here's a link describing TWCNYC CableCARD:
http://www3.twcnyc.com/NASApp/CS/ContentServer?pagename=twcnyc/dtv&mysect=dtv/cablecard

I am keeping the DTV-DVR so I can record and access the services not available on CableCARD. I will upgrade to the HD-DVR when it comes out in "late fall 2004."

Hope this helps....JL

Originally posted by Daranman
Long time lurker, but had to post...

Time Warner Cable guy came in with the CableCard, and he said he had only installed it once before, so I brought up the CableCard window for him.
Ben

I an in SD too and I will have the card installed tomorrow but the problem is, how do I Tivo? I was told that there is no way to get a feed through the TV (for HBO). How do you record?

Hi...
I like both the Mits and Sammy DLPs and I'm still trying to decide which direction to go. One thing that concerns me is the single HDMI input on the Mits. I understand that it has a lot of connectivity via firewire, but I am not quite sure that gets me. Without necessarily getting into the whole firewire vs. DVI/HDMI debate, can someone tell me what I can connect to the Mits via firewire? I am guessing the upcoming Mits HD PVR will use it, and that is a definitely plus, but I am unsure what else will utilize it. And without knowing how much that box will cost, etc., it's hard to determine if that will even matter. Anyway, any thoughts that you'd care to share will be appreciated!

Thanks,
Randy

Randy, The advantage of firewire is that it will transmit a compressed digital signal to a recording device. Mits makes 2 VHS digital recorders at $299 and $399. Any show that is available on the Mits HD tuners (OTA and QAM) can be sent to the VCR and recorded in all it's HD glory.

The signal that passes through a DVI or HDMI cable has been uncompressed and is too large to be recorded. Right now Mits is the only company that I know of that is committed to making it possible to archive HD. HD PVRS that don't have firewire output will not allow archiving for this reason. You can time shift HD with a PVR, but not archive it. Hope this is clear enough:p Lew

I sent Mits an e-mail to their customer relations group and the reply was late Fall for shipment of the 52725.

Originally posted by SRFast
Here's a link describing TWCNYC CableCARD:
http://www3.twcnyc.com/NASApp/CS/ContentServer?pagename=twcnyc/dtv&mysect=dtv/cablecard

I am keeping the DTV-DVR so I can record and access the services not available on CableCARD. I will upgrade to the HD-DVR when it comes out in "late fall 2004."

Hope this helps....JL


Thanks. I didn't see this on the website. I don't know, I may just stick to the cablebox.

Originally posted by tmsmith
I sent Mits an e-mail to their customer relations group and the reply was late Fall for shipment of the 52725.
Wow if this is true then Mits is out for me. Don't want to buy the 525 and the 725 glare screen if I've never seen it on the set!

Originally posted by SRFast

BTW, how do I get HDnet? Is it just a DirecTV offering?

I have it (obviously) & I use RCN cable...which is great I might add. I'm pretty sure Comcast carries it out here too.

I would call your provider and request that they carry it. If they get enough who knows... I remember pestering AT&T (before they were Comcast) to carry Speedvision on a monthy basis back in the day. They finally did add it, granted it was about a year later. :rolleyes:

The 525's glare screen is bad but not bad enough to eliminate it from consideration. If you have a CRT with a glare screen you can manage the 525's screen. I kinda doubt the 725 will be worth the wait(higher price and same glare screen you can buy now).

Agreed about the screen. I took mine off to take all those pictures but have since put it back on. It's really no worse then a direct view CRT IMO.

I am going to try the custom made route that I believe rc-zombies(?) mentioned and will of course let you all know how it goes.

Originally posted by dserban
I an in SD too and I will have the card installed tomorrow but the problem is, how do I Tivo? I was told that there is no way to get a feed through the TV (for HBO). How do you record?

I have a Tivo also, but you may have to route the A/V Out from the Mits into the TIVO and record it manually using the analog composite video. (If there is a gripe, that would be it... no s-video out). I think the Firewire will output video to compatible devices, so maybe you can record it using video capture using a PC. (I would add that to a list of things for my next DVR, be it a Tivo Standalone, or a HTPC, or maybe TIVO can add CableCard.)

Ben

Originally posted by Daranman
I have a Tivo also, but you may have to route the A/V Out from the Mits into the TIVO and record it manually using the analog composite video. (If there is a gripe, that would be it... no s-video out). I think the Firewire will output video to compatible devices, so maybe you can record it using video capture using a PC. (I would add that to a list of things for my next DVR, be it a Tivo Standalone, or a HTPC, or maybe TIVO can add CableCard.)

Ben
Thank you Ben.

I know that Tivo is working on a SA with Cable card but I am also looking at the Sony HD PVR that should be out in few months.
Also, do you split the signal from the wall between Tivo and the TV in order to record the regular cable shows?

Originally posted by dserban
Thank you Ben.

I know that Tivo is working on a SA with Cable card but I am also looking at the Sony HD PVR that should be out in few months.
Also, do you split the signal from the wall between Tivo and the TV in order to record the regular cable shows?

Yes, the cable is split off to the Tivo. I'll feed the Tivo-out back into my receiver as VCR-2 then into the Mits, but I guess I can send that direct into the Mits also. The cable has to go into Ant-1 for the CableCard. No real degradation seen, but I have a real good cable amplifier at the distribution box.

Ben

Has anyone tried connecting a PC to the HDMI of these sets via a DVI-->HDMI cable or whatever? Just curious.

Thanks,

Low Roller

Originally posted by Lew Black
Randy, The advantage of firewire is that it will transmit a compressed digital signal to a recording device. Mits makes 2 VHS digital recorders at $299 and $399. Any show that is available on the Mits HD tuners (OTA and QAM) can be sent to the VCR and recorded in all it's HD glory.

The signal that passes through a DVI or HDMI cable has been uncompressed and is too large to be recorded. Right now Mits is the only company that I know of that is committed to making it possible to archive HD. HD PVRS that don't have firewire output will not allow archiving for this reason. You can time shift HD with a PVR, but not archive it. Hope this is clear enough:p Lew

Thanks for the info, Lew. That helps some. It sounds that for display material (DVD, etc.) that DVI would be preferred since the signal in uncompressed. But for recording (outside of normal ReplayTV-type time shifting, etc.), firewire is the way to go. So I guess if I am interested in multiple digital inputs, I am either going to have to go component with all but one or get a DVI switch if I buy this TV....good to know. Please don't hesitate to correct me if I am wrong on anything...I've learned a great deal in a short amount of time thanks to this forum, but there is always more out there to digest...that keeps it interesting! :cool:

Thanks!
Randy

Just brought home my 62525 today! So far, so good. Although I can barely pull in HD with the Terk HDTVi Indoor Antenna Pro. Don't buy one, it sucks. I live less than 20 miles from all my local stations, too.

I have DirecTV coming on Monday to upgrade my system-the Terk deal was going back, anyways.

PS2 looks pretty damn good. I played a couple games of NCAA 2005 and then NASCAR Thunder 2004. No motion artifacts, but jaggies at times-to be expected with a 480i pic. I set all the PS2 stuff to 16:9 and component in the main menu. Colors are bright and dead on. Am I missing something to get it to 480p or 720p in the Mits?

I only got to see a little HD tonight on CBS. Could use a little color tweaking, I'd say. The only setting I noticed that isn't middle of the road is the contrast. They have that set to torch mode. I turned it down to a little more than half.

The glare issue... I didn't get to watch much with daylight coming in through my living room. At night I have no issues. My lamp sits off to the side and slightly behind the set. If I look for reflections at night, I can see them...but I'm not lookin'. The daylight is going to be the big test.

This really is a beautiful set sitting here in my living room. Even if it is on the floor for now since I couldn't find a stand! I'm having one made for about 75 bucks, though. Much better than the 400-800 bucks I was looking at.

Fan noise? No big deal! My laptop fan makes MUCH more noise...not sure if that's a good thing... Unless the sound is turned to a very low level(mute?), this should not bother you.

Just happened to be in a Sears store in Orlando Fl. I wandered over to the TV department and saw the 52" Mits 725 on display. Looked very good to me compared to the 46" Sammy HLP sitting next to it. Just appeared to have brighter whites and darker blacks.

Curious...I didn't think the 725 series was going to be released for another couple of months.

I too am very interested in purchasing the 52525, for it's picture and connectiviity. I need to see one first, of course, but I don't think I'll be disappointed. Thanks to all in this thread for the info's, and keep 'em coming.

Originally posted by BearGator56

PS2 looks pretty damn good. I played a couple games of NCAA 2005 and then NASCAR Thunder 2004. No motion artifacts, but jaggies at times-to be expected with a 480i pic. I set all the PS2 stuff to 16:9 and component in the main menu. Colors are bright and dead on. Am I missing something to get it to 480p or 720p in the Mits?

Well for starters, there's only 29 PS2 games that support 480p (http://hdtvarcade.com/ps2list.htm) in the first place. I happen to own one of them (ATV2) and you need to go into the game options to set it to 480p. Check that in your NCAA game as I believe that one should be enabled.

Is the screen tilt issue common with peoples sets? I have read it in previous post and am interested in buying the 62525 or the Toshiba 62HM94 but am completely torn.

Also, Has anyone seen both, if so which do you think is better Mits or Tosh?

I'm having a problem that seems similar to rtmoore4's post from a few pages back. I have the 52525 and did the Antenna Menu memorization per the manual. I was getting OTA HD from all the major network channels in the Bay Area - I can see Sutro Tower from my perch on the mid-Peninsula. It was awesome for about a week.

The problem is that the HD / digital channels have been disappearing. At first I thought it was programming shedule differences between the early weekdays (Monday, Tuesday) and later in the week. But last night, I was not able to receive any digital broadcasts. I press the guide button and only analog stations appear. I've tried re-memorizing a couple of times but to no avail. I don't think I have an amplifier.

Could this be a problem with the Mits digital tuner or is more likely an antenna problem (I have a fairly large antenna on the roof - UHF/VHF) pointed right at Sutro)?. Any one else experiencing something similar? Any suggestions on how to isolate the problem to the digital tuner vs. the antenna? I'll try resetting like rtmoore4 did though I don't want to rely on this for a solution. Thanks.

My OTA tuner has been flawless. I live in San Jose and I can't even see Sutro Tower but I get all the HDTV channels with exception of channel 11 which is still on the VHF band.

Originally posted by papaduxx
Is the screen tilt issue common with peoples sets? I have read it in previous post and am interested in buying the 62525 or the Toshiba 62HM94 but am completely torn.

Also, Has anyone seen both, if so which do you think is better Mits or Tosh?

I've seen the Toshiba and it has a pretty good picture. Some think it has the best picture. I think the some people are judging the Mits set and facturing in the glare screen in their evaluation. I love the PQ of the Mits, while not perfect, I think it has one of the best pictures of any DLP out there.

If you saw the Toshiba today and purchase it instead of the Mits and soon after that the Panasonic DLP hit the stores, you will be asking about it. If the glare screen bothers you, I see that as the only downfall that Mits have in comparison to other DLP's, you should wait for the 52725 with the anti-glare screen.

One more point of information on the Mits Diamond Shield on the 525. I called Mits parts department to see if the 725 detachable anti-glare screen could be fitted to the 525. They said the parts are not interchangeable though I find it hard to believe they wouldn't be. Maybe they don't want to cannibilize 725 sales as the replacement screen is $200 which is less than the difference in price between the 525 and 725.

1, Service manual order from Mits Parts - $40 as mentioned before, no ship date. Wanted it to look up adjustments for tilt.

2, Lamp order -- $200 but must call Customer Relations to Order. I normally order "consumables" ahead of time so I don't have to wait when needed.

3, BestBuy order for 725 Diamond Shield placed 8/1. Got email back on 8/5PM saying that the part was back ordered, Est. ship date 10/15/2004.

4, Found the Tilt adjustment point. They are under the cover plate labeled
"WARNING Risk of eye injury No user servicable part inside. Do not remove this cover. etc". Remove four screws, marked with Arrows in the plastic. Underneath are two Hex head screws that adjust the Geometry of the screen. The right most screw adjusts what I would consider the top and bottom tilt. Note these screws have a seal on them, and I have not touched them yet. Waiting for my 30 day exchange period to end first(8/24), just in case anything goes wrong.


francis

Awesome, fandb!! Let us know how the tilt adjustment goes.

sbtv, re: Your OTA tuner woes...

I found some more info. in one of the other forums (I think it was the Local HDTV Reception one) about several possible things that could affect OTA reception. From your description, I'm betting one of them could apply to you: too much signal. That's right, apparently too much signal can prevent HD reception as well. It was suggested to try an attenuator. Radio Shack has 'em for ~$5. You might also try a TV bandpass filter, if you have any FM towers nearby, as they can also cause problems. Good luck!

FYI... I just finished up with a Mitsu training session on the new Mitsu lineup for 2004/2005. Couple things that came out of it...

The TV Guide on screen may be dropped as a feature on the 725 series due to issues integrating it into the sets. The decision is not final on this. This was a real disappointment to me... I was thinking about going with this unit so I could get a decent EPG with the Cablecard setup. At this time they are still planning to keep the TV guide EPG in the standalone PVR and the 825 series.

The aesthetic design of the 725 is going to be very similar to the 525 except it has more black in the lower panel with a small silver segment.

The screen protector on the 525 series is stated to let through roughly 90% of the projected light, the screen on the 725 is supposed to step that up to 93% and the 825 is supposed to step that up to around 97% (these are rough numbers, I don't remember the exact numbers they gave).

The lamps are $200 but they will charge you $150 if you don't return the old lamp. Unline most other mfr's their lamps are warranteed for a year... if one burns out they will overnight one to you. The $150 charge makes buying a spare an expensive proposition. There recommendation was to replace the lamp when the TV suggests doing it (I think it was at 4000 hours) and to not bother with keeping a spare.

Mitsu is aware of the unfinished design when the screen protector is off. They may revise this to give it a more finished look... I didn't think to ask if this was going to be done mid-model year or if it would be with the next model year.

Availability of the 725 series was slated for Mid-Sept.

The mitsu folks explained their 7 segment color wheel... it has a grey segment that helps render different shades of black/grey better than competitors.

Couple notes on the 525 that we have setup in the store (we have the 52" setting right next to an LG and a Sammy). With the screen removed the the brightness on the mitsu was equal to the LG and Sammy DLP's. In either case the black levels/contrast ratio on the Mitsu seemed better than either.

We have a hi-def feed that is sent to all the HD TV's via component and the same feed is also down-converted to 480i and sent over coax... the 480i coax signal on the Mitsu is really pretty impressive. A good deal better than the Sammy or LG.

Most folks who work at the store prefer the picture on the Mitsu but there are some who prefer the brightness of the LG and Sammy (when the screen protector is left on the Mitsu).

Our HD feed is a loop of fairly bright clips... I haven't had a chance to hookup a DVD with a lot of subtle shades of black/grey to see how well it handles this type of content.

If you can't tell, so far I really like the Mitsu DLP's. I haven't compared it to a Toshiba but since my Tosh CRT RPTV is going out after 2 years I'm not as enthused about going Tosh right now.

Excellent post BigAl, thanks.

Mitsu is aware of the unfinished design when the screen protector is off. They may revise this to give it a more finished look...

How unfinished does this look? I was about to exchange my hlp (having some problems with it) for the mitsubishi. Was planning on removing the cover since my room has lots of windows, but now I'm a little concerned. Anyone have a picture of what it looks like with the screen removed?

Thanks,
Eric

on other Mitsu info. We appreciate it.

I am new to HDTV and though I was aware of its capability, I am blown away by the PQ of HD. My brother and I each purchased a Mitsu 52525 two weeks ago and have no regrets. I was leaning towards a plasma unit, but I am glad I saw the Mitsu. I am anxiously waiting for my HD cable service, but I have access to Discovery HD Theater because it is not a scrambled signal. The content is interesting, but the images is why I watch it. I can only hope all HDTV content is of this quality.

Regards....JL

Does anyone know what thew MSRP is for the 725 52 and the 725 62?

I believe the MSRP for the 62575 is $5300.

Got everything today (62525 and Kef surround) and....
I do not see rainbows, I do not see tilts and I do not hear fans.

But, when I switch to Input 1 which is the Tivo (series 1) every now and then (more now than then), I get the annoying demo menu. I cannot get rid of it. It says to push menu and then 0 but it doesn't do it.

Any ideas?

DSerban...

To turn off the demo mode, it's...

MENU-0-QV-0

This got me pretty good-I was playing NCAA Football online when it kicked on for the first time! I couldn't figure out how to shut it off until the game was over-which I lost.

The sign prices for the mitsu dlp's are/will be:
52525 - 3999.95 - available now
52725 - 4199.95
52825 - 5499.95
62525 - 4499.95 - available now
62725 - 4799.95
62825 - 5999.95

Its funny how so many of us do not read the manual, instead we just want to plug our new toys in and start enjoying.

more ooh's and ahh's...

I just decided to hook up my Yamaha dvd-c996 via component to see what it looks like. This is not a progressive scan dvd player. I even used cheap-o RCA's that I just pieced together to make it work.

If this is what the picture looks like in 480i with some 10 cent RCA's...then wow. The picture is pretty amazing!

I can't wait to get a new progressive scan with HDMI or some decent component cables.

I also got to check out SOCOM II on the PS2 with the Monster Cable components in 480p. Sweeeeeet.

This Mitsubishi DLP is just fantastic!

"Couple notes on the 525 that we have setup in the store (we have the 52" setting right next to an LG and a Sammy). With the screen removed the the brightness on the mitsu was equal to the LG and Sammy DLP's. In either case the black levels/contrast ratio on the Mitsu seemed better than either."

The Mits is very bright even with protective screen on. I don't really like a overly bright tv. I believe it causes eye strain and eye strain results in headaches.

Many DLP owner think its the rainbows that's causing them to have headaches, I believe it's the brightness of the display.

Originally posted by BigAl


The aesthetic design of the 725 is going to be very similar to the 525 except it has more black in the lower panel with a small silver segment.

Son of bitch! ;)


The lamps are $200 but they will charge you $150 if you don't return the old lamp.

:confused: I don't get the not returning the old lamp. Why would you want to in the first place? Why are they "rewarding" us for not doing it?

Regardless $150 sounds cheap to me. :)

I think that would be an additional $150

Well, I hate to post this now, but a couple of people have asked what the set looks like without the screen on it. I really wanted to wait until my new Salamander Designs cabinet was in, because I just have it on a coffee table right now (with a little wooden reinforcement) and it doesn't look as nice as I would like. Here is my 62525 without the screen on it. I shot it from the side to avoid too much flash refection. (Even with the anti-glare properties of the screen underneath, you get pretty harsh blooming from a flash camera.) Notice the lack of glare in the pic, though. I have a lot of lights on in the room, and only used a flash to really illuminate the black corners for those who are worried about what they look like. With the light walls in that room, you would normally see a lot of reflection/glare. I love this set without the screen on it.

rtmoore4

Doesn't look nearly as bad as my imagination would have dreamed up.

Don't know when Mits will have the trim option available(already been announced) but if it were me, I think I could fabricate something and attach it with a little velcro. ;0)

Big Al... do you mind sharing which store you work at?

Thanks,

I HAVE seen the new Mitsubishi's. Un Real...

Better picture than I have EVER seen. Better looking than any plasma. Real deep. 3 dimensional.

Here in Denver at SoundTrack.. Only one better...???? Possibly Lcos

The image is truly stunning on this TV. The colors are very rich and vivid. However, there are certain quality control issues that is forcing me to reconsider this set now.

Pro's
HD2+ Chip
Contrast Ratio
Cable Card
Built in QAM/ATSC Tuner

Con's
Glare Screen - My TV is next to a sliding glass door and the reflection is very distracting, even with the blinds closed. The only time I cannot see a glare on this set is when my room is pitch black.
Fan Noise - Fan was nice and quiet until this morning. It suddenly got 2 to 3 times louder than it was and is now distracting
Tilt - The tilt is very noticeable on the top half of the screen, but not so noticeable on the bottom. It's about a 1 or 2 degrees of counter clockwise tilt.

I'm thinking of exchanging it for the Samsung HLP-5663. Yes, the Sammy has the HD3 Chip, but I don't think the difference is that dramatic. Maybe 5% worse than the Mits. The Sammy does not have the ATSC Tuner nor the cable card, however I didn't plan on using either for them since my cable company gives me all the HD channels except NBC, plus I order VOD, and PPV, so I need two-way communication to the Cable company. The Sammy has much less glare, and is lighter and has a smaller footprint.

In order for me to keep the Mit's, I would need an anti-glare screen...Backordered until 10/15 + another $200, I would need a service tech to replace/fix the fan, plus adjust the tilt geometry. Too much of a hassle. If Mit's would give me an anti glare screen replacement, I would certainly keep the set and get the fan and tilt tweaked, but I highly doubt it.

Just my thoughts this early Saturday Morning.

Tweakophyte, I work at the Denver soundtrack store... they've just re-arranged our bigscreen room so now the mitsu's are next to the new JVC D-ILA's, then the sammy hln/hlp and LG DLPs.

Thanks for posting that picture, rtmoore4. Sorry you don't have your new cabinet yet. :) It doesn't look bad at all, guess I won't sweat it this weekend after all.

Thanks again,
Eric

Here's another picture - my room has walls of windows so it's bright in the daytime. I took my screen off for less reflection. Because the bezels are black you can't really see the rails and clips where the Diamond Shield fits in when the screen if off so I don't really think it looks unfinished. One note for all, be careful when pulling the screen off. It really takes some hard prying. When prying the sides off the clips, it may help to have someone else nearby in case it jumps out the bottom rail. Per the instructions, I loosened the right side first, then the left. When the left popped out the clip, the whole screen popped out the bottom rail and dropped to the floor. This isn't intended to cause concern just some cautionary advise.

Someone mentioned ordering an anti-glare screen for the 525. From where? Mits parts told me the 725 screen will not fit on the 525.

On another topic, I posted OTA / tuner problems. Once I reset the TV and re-memorized the channels everything came back. The only thing I can think of that I changed that may have caused me to lose digital channels was that I rememorized previously with the "Prefer Digital" setting off. As the manual states this is supposed to show both analog and digital choices with this setting off. However, I think it caused me to see only analog choices on the Guide. I also couldn't manually select the digital channels with this setting. Anyway, I reset the TV, rememorized with Prefer Digital on and now I'm back to getting all the OTA network channels.

On the fan noise topic, I have a tech (ASC) scheduled to do the fan mod on Wednesday - I'll let you know how it turns out. He said on the phone that a new part has to be used and that the fan has to be reversed. I'll post more after I see what he does.

All in all, with a few learning lessons, I'm getting more and more comfortable with the TV and am impressed overall. HD is especially awesome. I compared in the store, side by side with HLP 50", and I liked the Mits picture better. And I was very close to buying the Sammy - I still think it's a better value but I wanted the best picture.

Are any of you using internal antennas for OTA programming? If so, what kind are you using?

My new 62525 should be here around the 15th of August. I'd like to try an antenna for OTA broadcasts... especially Fox football broadcasts...

I'll also have Bright House cable, but I've heard the OTA broadcasts can be better than the cable feed.

-jb

"I'm thinking of exchanging it for the Samsung HLP-5663. Yes, the Sammy has the HD3 Chip, but I don't think the difference is that dramatic. Maybe 5% worse than the Mits. The Sammy does not have the ATSC Tuner nor the cable card, however I didn't plan on using either for them since my cable company gives me all the HD channels except NBC, plus I order VOD, and PPV, so I need two-way communication to the Cable company. The Sammy has much less glare, and is lighter and has a smaller footprint."


If I were you I would go with one of the HD2+ Sammy's. Also, are you saying that you can't order PPV events with a Cablecard?

"Someone mentioned ordering an anti-glare screen for the 525. From where? Mits parts told me the 725 screen will not fit on the 525."

They would be wise to make some that will fit.

Originally posted by rightslot
I HAVE seen the new Mitsubishi's. Un Real...

Better picture than I have EVER seen. Better looking than any plasma. Real deep. 3 dimensional.

Here in Denver at SoundTrack.. Only one better...???? Possibly Lcos

Only thing about the D-ILA/LCOS is that its has an internal reflection that makes the picture look like its glowing.

Originally posted by jBeach
Are any of you using internal antennas for OTA programming? If so, what kind are you using?
-jb

Check out Home Theater August, 2004 issue for a run-down on OTA antennas. They recommend the Wineguard Squareshooter and Radio Shack 15-880 ($50 / indoor antenna). Myself my house came with an outdoor antenna which has been sitting idle on the roof for 7 years - glad I have it now.

Originally posted by Auditor55
[B If I were you I would go with one of the HD2+ Sammy's. Also, are you saying that you can't order PPV events with a Cablecard? [/B]

That is correct about PPV and CableCard. PPV, Video on Demand, and to an extent On-Screen Guides require you to send a request to the Cable company. This requires 2-way communication that the current generation of CableCards do not have.

Originally posted by Auditor55
[B If I were you I would go with one of the HD2+ Sammy's. Also, are you saying that you can't order PPV events with a Cablecard? [/B]

That is correct about PPV and CableCard. PPV, Video on Demand, and to an extent On-Screen Guides require you to send a request to the Cable company. This requires 2-way communication that the current generation of CableCards do not have.

I had seen someone say they could still get PPV using CableCard if they called the cable company, just not by remote. Can anyone confirm this?

Technically, a phone ordered PPV is no problem, but whether you cable provider will support this is another matter. Mine doesn't. :(

I researched over the air antenna issue and can tell you the weingard looks cool and may/probably works fine but I bought a channel master 4 bay and its perfect. In fact when I though I was having an antenna problem I had an antenna guy come to check signal strength and he found the channel master had very strong signal almost 2 or 3 times the winegard square shooter.

you can see the web site that has lots of info and where I bought my antenna at

www.warreneloctronics.com