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speedy777 10-24-04, 12:20 PM Originally posted by kevinv1964
I recently picked up the 32" set and am happy with it overall. I do notice the audio sync problem at times, using just the Sanyo's speakers. But the tilting issue is not happening to me.
I have a couple questions for you experienced owners. Last night, I used my Unity Motion satellite receiver to pick up a FOX baseball feed. The video was a little choppy when there was much motion on the field or with the camera. Could that in any way be a result of the fact that FOX is using 720p? Could it be related to the fact that my UM receiver, like the Sanyo, also upconverts to 1080i? Do you think it's possible that some combination of the above factors played into it? I haven't been able to check out a FOX NFL game yet to see if the same thing happens. WB HD did the same thing last night. But CBS and others have looked good.
Second question: Has anyone else experienced what looks like some electrical interference? I never had that problem with my SD set, and all my connections are tight. It seems to come and go, and it might possibly be coming from the fridge or the freezer. Any thoughts? Thanks.
Kevin
Is the channel you are watching OTA (over the air)? If yes, then the signal is weak.
HDCowboy 10-24-04, 12:51 PM Just a quick update on my experience with the HT30744
Had a tilt issue most noticable while on 2.40:1 DVD movies
Called SANYO service.... a special 1-800 # for WALMART customers and the man on the phone said that tilt cannot be corrected easily. That it was a very involved procedure and that I should return the set to WalMart. Having owned the set for 1 and a half months I was pleasantly surprised at the ease with which they handled the return....
I then went and bought a Toshiba 34HFX84, with tilt adjustment available in the menu on screen.
NOW I have a TV with straight line (horizontal) geometry problems and almost wish I could have my Sanyo back....... I hope Toshiba will fix my problems... (I think I may have to give up watching tv.:eek: just kidding)
NOW I don't have any tilt issues but the top bar above my widescreen movies bows down almost a half an inch into the picture. (or the corners bow up - take your pick - the line is not straight.....)
There is no such thing as the the perfect TV image.....
So do like I'm trying..... GET OVER IT!:rolleyes:
Scotty C 10-24-04, 02:00 PM I just purchased a new HT32744 from Wal-Mart yesterday (10/23/2004). I am REALLY impressed with the High Definition picture!
I'm having a fairly serious problem with the audio timing on the analog cable as input. The audio comes out of the set, before the people start move their lips. Hard to tell for sure, but some channels may seem worse than others. With a side-by-side test, my older analog sets don't have this problem. Can this be corrected/adjusted, or do I need to return the set?Originally posted by ilmonello7
Great TV, I am a comcast customer and the built-in tuner is picking up a couple of channels without a STB. Only proble is, there is a tremendous audio delay. Anyway to fix this, or is this only solved with the STB?
Thanks
Peter_Klim 10-25-04, 12:47 PM Originally posted by TH3_FRB
A new thread for anyone interested in sharing information about the Sanyo 32" and 30" HD televisions. Please, no political, marketing, or otherwise off-topics posts. The purpose of this thread to inform potential buyers of the good and bad as well as for current owners to discuss problems and solutions and to post honest, objective reviews. You can find 67 pages (1339 posts) on these sets in the original master thread which was apparently locked due to reasons I won't go into...but if you read the last page or two I'm sure you'll figure it out.
Original thread: Incredible new Sanyo 32" Flat Screen HDTV (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=395229&perpage=20&pagenumber=1)
My TV died yesterday. So today I will be visiting Wlamart for the 30" Sanyo.
Questions:
1. Is it possible for non HD TVs to have a better picture quality than this Sanyo?
2. Why is this priced so low?
3. Is the pic quality realy that good? Or is Sanyo doing what Bose does? (Bose strategically displays their products away from the competition) Which is to have the TV sold only in Walmart so that comparisons of the Sanyo to other "good" brands can not be done (and is instead compared to low quality brand TVs)?
feltted 10-25-04, 01:33 PM I finally went out and get the 30" version. So far it is excellent. I get very good OTA reception with my SS antenna. I was hesitant because of reports of "snow" on the component inputs, but so far I have had no issues with my Samsung P-241 DVD player. Many people suggest this an Xbox only issue or a defective unit issue and I believe them.
The zoom modes work well, the remote is nicely layed out. So far no complaints, except that it was heavy to carry upstairs. :)
I did notice this set to have halos around text and moving objects (expecially tilting to the right). Does it do this on all Sanyo sets?
Peter_Klim 10-25-04, 03:29 PM Seems this set has a bunch of annoying little quirks...
johnnyjt 10-25-04, 05:57 PM I been reading this post for about a month now and I purchased this 30" Sanyo 3 weeks ago. I heard other are having some problems but so far none here! PQ is excellent on SD cable channels and Clear Qam cable HD is awesome! Dollar for dollar you just can't beat this Sanyo period! BYW Eagles kicked the Brown's *ss Sunday and it looked Awesome in HD!
JohnnyJT
South Philly :p
kevinv1964 10-25-04, 10:39 PM "Is the channel you are watching OTA (over the air)? If yes, then the signal is weak."
It was a satellite feed using a Unity Motion receiver. Oddly, that is no longer happening. Maybe the feed was not so good. I am still having the electrical interference problem that seems to be fairly common. I don't get it on my components or OTA digitals.
Kevin
P.S.
Is anyone familiar with a DVI-to-HDMI cable that has audio inputs? Where can I find one?
Amigo-2k 10-25-04, 10:47 PM Monday night football they sound like they are underwater? A few weeks ago I was watching the Packers on MNF, the annoucers sound like they were under water and whenever there was action on the field the picture was supper choppy. Now tonight the picture is fine, by the annoucers sound like they are under water. Commercials sound fine.
The signal is from the cable company to the back of the TV. I don't remember this happening when I was get HD via an antenna. Any thoughts?
-Ryan
AranC23 10-26-04, 03:24 PM I've been trying recently to get my HTPC to output a 1080i mode to the 32" model for a little while now. I recently thought, hey maybe I should try another device connected to the HDMI port and see if it's working correct.y. I connected my Zenith DVB-318 to the HDMI input with a DVI-HDMI cable. The same cable I was using to connect my NVIDIA card.
Now, what happened was the Zenith locked up and I never got any output. I had to reboot the Zenith, connect it via component cables to change the upconversion from 480p to 1080i. No output mode worked, they all seemed to crash the Zenith.
This of course tells me very little about whether something is wrong with my cable or 1080i via the HDMI port. 1080i works with OTA and over component.
Has anyone else seen 1080i via HDMI on this unit? Do I possibly have the wrong kind of cable? What kills me is that I even installed windows to use powerstrip and it still didn't work. with any 1080i output mode. For whatever reason the default 1080i modes provided create an unusable display. It's bit hard to describe, but the display jumps all over and generally looks messed up.
Anybody have any thoughts?
snaphook 10-26-04, 05:40 PM Well, I think I'll pick up this TV tonite if they have it in stock and see if I can get one that works the 1st time...lol
My main concern is the x-box problems but I have an org. release x-box and I'm willing to take a shot.
let me know how it looks on videogames in prog.scan and analog.
thx
Shapeshifter 10-26-04, 11:48 PM Any one in canada recently buy either the 27" or the 32" wondering about current pricing for them?
I've seen the 27'' for 599.99. =)
snaphook 10-27-04, 12:25 PM well, I called 3 wal marts and they couldn't find the 30" I called one more and they had the 30" in stock but couldn't tell me if they had the 32" which is what I really wanted. I went there anyway and the only 32 they had was the display model.
I decided I needed it right then and brought it home.... I was a little nervous about bringing a display model home but one pro is that at least I knew the thing worked so I wouldn't have to bring it back right away.
It picked up 10 or so channels OTA right away but it cuts out so I'll have to adjust that or get an outside ant. right now I just have a phillips indoor with some gain controls on it.
OTA HD looks really good, very nice. I hooked up my low end kawasaki dvd/hometheater unit to the comp. 2 and 3 but the picture is bright pink and has bands on both inputs ( I assume this isn't the red push I heard about because OTA channels look great) oh and the comp. cables are rca that I bought for 20 bucks.
I shut everything down and reconnected and tried again, same deal. I read earlier that it may have be a setting on my dvd player... I 'll check when I get home from work. Any other ideas? If I unplug one of the cables it will go from pink to grey. Haven't tried the x-box yet.
Thanks for your help.
So, for DVDs and Games (PS2, GAMECUBE)...
Should I get this or an analog?
:confused:
Budget_HT 10-27-04, 03:11 PM Originally posted by snaphook
... I hooked up my low end kawasaki dvd/hometheater unit to the comp. 2 and 3 but the picture is bright pink and has bands on both inputs ( I assume this isn't the red push I heard about because OTA channels look great) oh and the comp. cables are rca that I bought for 20 bucks.
I shut everything down and reconnected and tried again, same deal. I read earlier that it may have be a setting on my dvd player... I 'll check when I get home from work. Any other ideas? If I unplug one of the cables it will go from pink to grey. Haven't tried the x-box yet.
Thanks for your help.
I have seen similar color problems when one or more of the component cables was not making good contact. Make sure that all RCA plugs are fully inserted into their receptacles. (Sorry if I am stating the obvious, but I once thought I had fully inserted the RCA plugs and one was still not making contact.)
I also saw an example of a DVD player that had a choice of either S-video or component output--not both at the same time. I remember seeing pink colors in that scenario until the setting was changed to component on the DVD player.
snaphook 10-27-04, 03:45 PM thanks for the input dave.
Actually I am going to reseat the plugs again tonite because last night I thought one was tight and it really wasn't, some of the receptacles seem really tight so maybe I really have to jam them in there.
I had to call it quits at about 12:30 last night so I could make it up for work meeting this morning... so hopefully when I get home tonite I can get it working. (I want to watch Star Wars damn it! lol)
Amigo-2k 10-27-04, 04:13 PM I had the same pink problem and I had to go into the DVD players menu to reset something.
snaphook 10-27-04, 04:45 PM thanks amigo, I am getting hopeful now that menu thing is the problem and after watching LOST tonite i'll be able to crank up a dvd.
how are analog signals on this set?
sterno3 10-27-04, 09:19 PM Originally posted by Nylok
how are analog signals on this set?
I think the analog channels and sources (vcr's etc) look tremendous considering it is an HD set (other hdtv's can make a SD input look worse than an SDTV). It has a 3D comb filter, which i belive helps.
By the Way, I just was at Walmart here in Madison, WI, and I saw that the 32" 4:3(which I own) is indeed $697--like someone had posted a while ago. The surprising part is that the 30"WS is now $647! WOW! I imagine there will probably be ANOTHER price drop before X-Mas, so this is pretty amazing in my book. I haven't seen anyother deal that even approaches the value that this set brings to the table. I have had this tv for almost 6 months now, and have had ONLY great luck with it.
My mom & dad were over sunday dinner & stayed for some of the packer game (thanks fox HD), and about 5 minutes into the game, my Mom said "why is your reception so much clearer than ours is", after explaining it to her, she was almost convinced to make a stop on the way back home...talk about impact.
kevinv1964 10-27-04, 11:57 PM Has anyone found one of these cable that will carry audio as well as video? I'm told they exist. Where did you get it, for how much, and how does it take the audio? Thanks.
Kevin
poorbastage 10-28-04, 12:18 AM hey bums
I'm brand new here:D
Though I've been surfing and reading about this combo for quite some time. I've had my doubts on buying this as I'm also going to purchase a projector for some real viewing.
I figure I buy a standard tube or rptv for regular viewing and a projector for real enjoyment. So the window shopping began.
Now...hesitations aside, what with all the problems I've read about. Would you guys who hated the thing buy it if you could shave anywhere from 10-20% off the price from the $700 price point?
Hmm, I would :D :cool: :p
cheers all!
Originally posted by kevinv1964
Has anyone found one of these cable that will carry audio as well as video? I'm told they exist. Where did you get it, for how much, and how does it take the audio? Thanks.
Kevin
That's a good question, I was never able to find one. I finally am moving my audio via USB to my audio receiver and will bypass the TV altogether.
Kevin1964:
n2lak:
Isn't any type of DVI (digital video interface) designed to carry video only, whereas HDMI (high definition media interface??) is designed to carry audio as well as video.
I've read on some website that DVI was originally designed for digital computer displays. HDMI is intended for devices that receive and time-shift hidef pay-for-view TV from satellite and cable broadcasts, and high def DVDs whenever they arrive.
If this is true, your device that has a DVI output will pass only video via that output. What device do you want to connect that has a DVI output and has no separate audio output? If so, then wouldn't this be an HDMI output?
TH
When adjusting contrast using the THX optimizer, I have a large range over which I can see all the small squares. Should I select the lowest contrast with which the squares are visible or should I use the highest contrast that displays all the squares?
TH3_FRB 10-28-04, 09:48 AM You are supposed to turn the contrast (picture) setting UP until the individual white squares blend together.
Originally posted by 1nite
When adjusting contrast using the THX optimizer, I have a large range over which I can see all the small squares. Should I select the lowest contrast with which the squares are visible or should I use the highest contrast that displays all the squares?
Originally posted by TH3_FRB
You are supposed to turn the contrast (picture) setting UP until the individual white squares blend together.
Check out this link (http://www.thx.com/mod/techlib/contrast.html) for adjusting video and audio according to the THX Optimizer.
TH
Anybody use a Replay TV 5040 progressive scan output to watch recorded analog content? Is the picture quality better than watching over SVideo or Composite?
Thanks.
snaphook 10-28-04, 10:40 AM well after adjusting the video and audio output on my dvd player everything is working. I do get the green bands when playing a dvd through my x box but I'm not worried I'll just watch play games through that and it looks pretty good. I tried Max payne 2 and it looked pretty darn good.
TH3_FRB 10-28-04, 10:49 AM Which says in 2 pages what I just said in one sentence. Turn the contrast setting up to the point just before the individual white boxes blend together. The same explination is also included on the THX disc just before the actual test screen.
Originally posted by Teeh
Check out this link (http://www.thx.com/mod/techlib/contrast.html) for adjusting video and audio according to the THX Optimizer.
TH
does this set upconvert 480i to 480p? Also, can anyone post pictures of their set and the remote too? And lastly, what is the option in the service menu to fix the overscan? On my Sony it is HSIZE.
thank you all for making and keeping this great thread alive!
TH3_FRB 10-28-04, 10:56 AM There are HDMI-DVI cables out there. At the moment there are very few sources that have HDMI outputs...a few DVD players are starting to show up. Although the Sanyo has and HDMI input, you probably don't have anything that provides HDMI output so you could get one of those adapters to pass the digital video (from the DVI output of a DVD player of cable/sat box) through the HDMI input on the set if you'd prefer that to component.
Originally posted by kevinv1964
Has anyone found one of these cable that will carry audio as well as video? I'm told they exist. Where did you get it, for how much, and how does it take the audio? Thanks.
Kevin
one more thing, does this set wobble on the sides when the picture doesn't fill the whole screen? I know it does that on the Philips and I hate it. Also how does DVDs look on this set?
Originally posted by TH3_FRB
Which says in 2 pages what I just said in one sentence. Turn the contrast setting up to the point just before the individual white boxes blend together. The same explination is also included on the THX disc just before the actual test screen.
Thx for the input TH3_FRB and Teeh. I suspected that this was the case but this seems to end up with too high a contrast if we consider that the 30% level, as suggested earlier, is correct
sterno3 10-28-04, 11:21 AM Originally posted by TH3_FRB
There are HDMI-DVI cables out there. At the moment there are very few sources that have HDMI outputs...a few DVD players are starting to show up. Although the Sanyo has and HDMI input, you probably don't have anything that provides HDMI output so you could get one of those adapters to pass the digital video (from the DVI output of a DVD player of cable/sat box) through the HDMI input on the set if you'd prefer that to component.
I have heard that the PQ advantage of going from component to DVI-->HDMI is going to be barely noticeable on a screen of this size (TRUE?). Granted if you only have a DVI or S-Video to choose from (PC Card), I would DEFINITELY pay the extra for a DVI --> HDMI cable. BUT, if you have a choice between $15 component cables and ~$80 DVI --> HDMI cable, i think you might not notice the difference in PQ, only in your wallet.
Lastly, there if you do get a DVI --> HDMI cable, the manual states that you can use the audio in for the Component 3 jack set to get the sound (apparently the tv looks for audio on the HDMI connection, if it doesn't find it, it defaults to Component 3). HOWEVER, You most likely would just go from your source's optical out to your receiver's optical in though, and bypass the TV's audio in entirely.
sterno3 10-28-04, 11:23 AM Originally posted by Nylok
one more thing, does this set wobble on the sides when the picture doesn't fill the whole screen? I know it does that on the Philips and I hate it. Also how does DVDs look on this set?
No noticeble wobble (on the 32"), and DVD's look great (even with a low end progresive scan player--AMW-T352)
TH3_FRB 10-28-04, 11:27 AM Where does 30% come from? Trust the test screens. I had to get over this myself when I adjusted my new 42WE655 and had the contrast setting maxed out according to the THX optimizer. It just didn't seem like I should have any setting that high but the bottom line is I followed the instructions and that's what it got me.
Originally posted by 1nite
Thx for the input TH3_FRB and Teeh. I suspected that this was the case but this seems to end up with too high a contrast if we consider that the 30% level, as suggested earlier, is correct
ferrisg 10-28-04, 11:46 AM I imagine the 30% number comes from people using Avia or DVE that use more precise tests to set white level.
TH3_FRB 10-28-04, 12:24 PM Possible but it's important to remember that ANY calibration is specific to the sources and conditions. So unless I have the same exact DVD player running the same connections under similar lighting conditions, I couldn't just take someone elses settings and apply them for best results. Everyone needs to do their own calibration with the equipment they intend to use. I'm not sure how much more precise Avia or DVE can be without any special measuring equipment.
Originally posted by ferrisg
I imagine the 30% number comes from people using Avia or DVE that use more precise tests to set white level.
niggenz 10-28-04, 12:43 PM Hello All!
My 27" NetTV with HD-15 connection (XGA rez) started clunking out on me. Seems to be a bad transitor as it can't display red anymore. So I happened to be in the market for a new TV until I get a bigger place that will allow me to install an FP. Of course, I'd have to come here first to do research as any well informed consumer should do. Once again, the AVS does not dissapoint. After lurking and doing research, I stumbled upon this thread and decided to take the plunge yesterday. I picked up the 30" Wide Sanyo from Wallyworld here in San Jose. The cool thing about the unit was that just yesterday (the same day I bought the unit), the price dropped to $647 or $649, I don't remember exactly. But out the door, the unit set me back $700 and some pennies! Wonderful. So I guess you can say that this is an even better bargain now =).
My roommate pays for the HD package that gets ESPN HD, Discovery HD, and one premium HD channel. I think it is HBO HD, not sure. Comcast HD came in no problem whatsoever. I had heard of issues with lip synching, but I had no problem with it at all! And no STB required. Stayed up late just to watch Jay Leno in HD. Man was it a thing of beauty. My only gripe was that I missed the Sox clincher last night. But thankfully, I was able to watch the highlights on ESPN HD! Yeah baby, yeah!
I am a gamer, so I did hook the GC up to composite video 1. The image was a bit bloomy and the colors bled. But I haven't calibrated the unit and the only disc I had handy to test things out with was a new copy of Wind Walker. I'll throw F-Zero on today when I get home. My Xbox is at my brother's house and I will pick that up along with the my DC and report back then.
So far, this unit is awesome. What can I say? I mean I have an HDTV that I can connect my analog cable feed to, HD cable, Xbox through component, Panny RP56 through component, Gamecube through composite, Dreamcast through composite and still have one HDMI connection open for my HTPC!
BTW, I hope I didn't violate forum policy by posting the price I paid for this unit, since after all, it is only sold in one place.
emp3r0r 10-28-04, 01:05 PM one more thing, does this set wobble on the sides when the picture doesn't fill the whole screen? I know it does that on the Philips and I hate it
I got the 30" last night and did notice this issue, but it is only noticable when you are displaying square graphics like xbox media center menus. Although when the picture fills the whole screen (with overscan and all) it is very hard to notice. Sometime it is annoying but hey, "you get what you pay for."
IMO, it is a good deal at $649 bucks. 1080i looks fantastic on this set. Also, the tuner is able to tune one extra channel than my ATI HDTV Wonder card.
My roommate has been very skeptical about HDTV but when he saw this TV it opened his eyes. He really could see a difference. I've never been able to convince him why widescreen and HDTV was so cool but this TV finally did it. I remember him saying, "you picked a good TV" after showing him Picture and Picture with Jay Leno in Hidef on one side while playing GTA:SA on the other side.
Originally posted by TH3_FRB
Possible but it's important to remember that ANY calibration is specific to the sources and conditions. So unless I have the same exact DVD player running the same connections under similar lighting conditions, I couldn't just take someone elses settings and apply them for best results. Everyone needs to do their own calibration with the equipment they intend to use. I'm not sure how much more precise Avia or DVE can be without any special measuring equipment.
Yep...the THX optimization works great on my DVDs, not so good on broadcast. Blacks are too dark. Thanks for your guidance.
can anyone post pics of their unit (back too if possible), and the remote too. And for those with a PS2 how does it look using component?
when watching a 480 source such as 480i on SDTV or 480p on DVD, does the picture look very nice and clean, or does it look rather messy, due to upconversion?
snaphook 10-28-04, 03:42 PM "when watching a 480 source such as 480i on SDTV or 480p on DVD, does the picture look very nice and clean, or does it look rather messy, due to upconversion"
I don't have as much experience as most on this board but I think the SD looks decent, it doesn't bother me. I watched Star Wars last night and it was pretty good, through component cables but I could pick out some grain in the picture.... I believe this to be more from my el cheapo dvd/rec./surrround system then the TV however. For now I am very happy with it, and I can email you some pics if you want, shoot me an email at jksunde@yahoo.com and I'll reply with some pics....
Peter_Klim 10-28-04, 05:33 PM I'm confused by the Set-Top-Box (STB) of this Sanyo.
In particular when it says it receives Over The Air (OTA). Does this mean through the air like with an antenna, or does it also include signals from the cable company and satellite dish. Which of these 3 does it and does it not work with?
Peter:
Over-the-air always mean local channels that can be received free via an indoor or roof-top antenna. Channels received via cable or satellite are not called "over-the-air", nor are they free, but some may also be duplicates of free over-the-air channels.
The Sanyo has built in NTSC, ATSC and QAM tuners and two RF inputs. One input (NTSC) is for regular channels from either an antenna (ch 2-13 and 14-69) or non-digital cable channels (all cable channels up to about 100, depending on your cable company). The other input on the Sanyo is for digital (DTV) channels, either free local DTV channels over-the-air via antenna (usually 14-69 ATSC channels), or non-encrypted DTV channels over cable (QAM), also called DTV pass through or ClearQAM channels. Normally, if you subscribe to any cable service at all, the Sanyo will be able to pick up any available ClearQAM digital channels without having to subscribe to digital cable service.
Finally, in order to receive satellite service, regular or HD, or pay for view cable channels, you must subscribe to these services and be provided with additional equipment, including an extenal set-top-box.
TH
Peter_Klim 10-28-04, 09:11 PM Originally posted by Teeh
Peter:
Over-the-air always mean local channels that can be received free via an indoor or roof-top antenna. Channels received via cable or satellite are not called "over-the-air", nor are they free, but some may also be duplicates of free over-the-air channels.
The Sanyo has built in NTSC, ATSC and QAM tuners and two RF inputs. One input (NTSC) is for regular channels from either an antenna (ch 2-13 and 14-69) or non-digital cable channels (all cable channels up to about 100, depending on your cable company). The other input on the Sanyo is for digital (DTV) channels, either free local DTV channels over-the-air via antenna (usually 14-69 ATSC channels), or non-encrypted DTV channels over cable (QAM), also called DTV pass through or ClearQAM channels. Normally, if you subscribe to any cable service at all, the Sanyo will be able to pick up any available ClearQAM digital channels without having to subscribe to digital cable service.
Finally, in order to receive satellite service, regular or HD, or pay for view cable channels, you must subscribe to these services and be provided with additional equipment, including an extenal set-top-box.
TH
Thanks Teeh. That helps a bit.
So this Sanyo, as is, can only decode HDTV via OTA signals. Any of the other sources (such as cable and satellite) would require a seperate decoder to benefit/utilize HDTV signals. Is that correct? Are there any HDTVs that don't need seperate decoders?
does this tv make shadows of moving objects or letters around them (usually on only one side of the object/text)?
Originally posted by Peter_Klim
Thanks Teeh. That helps a bit.
So this Sanyo, as is, can only decode HDTV via OTA signals. Any of the other sources (such as cable and satellite) would require a seperate decoder to benefit/utilize HDTV signals. Is that correct? Are there any HDTVs that don't need seperate decoders?
In addition to OTA HD channels, the Sanyo as is can also receive HD/DTV channels over cable without a separate STB if the cable company passes local HD/DTV channels unscrambled. [The fact is, the Sanyo is one of the only TVs that can receive these on most cable systems. Sonys and Samsungs are supposed to, but frequently can't.]
These are known as ClearQAM channels. But for any satellite channels, you'll need an external STB.
TH
johnnyjt 10-28-04, 10:35 PM Originally posted by Peter_Klim
Thanks Teeh. That helps a bit.
So this Sanyo, as is, can only decode HDTV via OTA signals. Any of the other sources (such as cable and satellite) would require a seperate decoder to benefit/utilize HDTV signals. Is that correct? Are there any HDTVs that don't need seperate decoders?
You don't need a Cable Box to get HD on the Sanyo!
So far I get Fox, ABC,NBC, CBS and PBS in HD when they broadcast HD with just the cable feed (No Cable Box).
JohnnyJT
South Philly :)
kevinv1964 10-28-04, 10:37 PM "Isn't any type of DVI (digital video interface) designed to carry video only, whereas HDMI (high definition media interface??) is designed to carry audio as well as video.
I've read on some website that DVI was originally designed for digital computer displays. HDMI is intended for devices that receive and time-shift hidef pay-for-view TV from satellite and cable broadcasts, and high def DVDs whenever they arrive.
If this is true, your device that has a DVI output will pass only video via that output. What device do you want to connect that has a DVI output and has no separate audio output? If so, then wouldn't this be an HDMI output?"
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A Dish Network tech told me that there are DVI-to-HDMI cables into which you can plug the audio cables, so the cable would carry it all to the HDMI port. I have not been able to find one.
I have nothing but the TV to plug audio into. I am hoping to use my component inputs for a DVD player and an HD receiver I use with my big dish. So I'm trying to use HDMI for Dish Network, which has a DVI output. Since my audio inputs will be used up by the above-mentioned components, I'd really like to find this cable that I was told about.
Maybe I'll have to call Dish Network back and inquire further.
Kevin
kevinv1964 10-28-04, 10:38 PM By the way, how can I respond to the post I specifically want to respond to? Thanks.
Kevin
Thanks to those who posted here that Walmart has rolled back the price of the 30" 30HT744 HDTV from $697 to $647. I took my receipt to Walmart this evening and asked whether they price matched the new price.
Personnel at the service desk simply did a return and repurchase transaction without any complications and without me having to bring the TV in.
Thanks for the Internet, forums and fellow members. I probably would not have saved this $50 plus $4 for 8% tax if you had not posted this info.
Again, thanks.
TH
Bill1313 10-28-04, 10:48 PM Peter, the Sanyo's HDTV tuner "will" receive HDTV Cable Channels & Digital Analog Cable Channels as long as they are not "Scrambled" Just think of it just like the regular analog tuner in your tv now, you can receiver regular cable channels but not pay channels or digital channels without a Cable Box. But what most people have found that most of the Digital Cable Channels & HDTV Cable Channels have not been "scrambled" yet so they are being able to pick them up with the HDTV Tuner in the Sanyo & that includes the Digital Cable Music Only Channels. But if you want pay HDTV Channels & etc then you would have to use the Cable Companies HDTV Cable Box to receive them.
Eagle 117 10-29-04, 01:55 AM I picked up the 30 inch widescreen Sanyo tonight, and I have a question. Is there any way to fix the normal mode bars? What I mean by that is, the bar on the left side of the screen begins to slant towards the bottom... quite noticable. Is there a service menu/calibration that I can fix this issue, or do all the sets have this problem?
Thanks,
-Eagle 117
Eagle 117 10-29-04, 08:41 AM Originally posted by buzzly
dakguy:
Download graystrickland's Sanyo Service Manual (link is in the other BIG thread) and check page 17 in the manual to identify the actual type of pincushion problem, then do the adjustment. I did mime in less than 2 mintues by eyeballing.
Would anyone whose made the pincussion corrections to their Sanyo 30 inch be kind enough to write out their settings for service menue numbers 11A - 120? I know every sets not going to have the same settings; nevertheless, I'm having trouble getting my set configured, and this would really help me out tremendously.
Thanks,
-Eagle 117
Peter_Klim 10-29-04, 09:33 AM Originally posted by Teeh
In addition to OTA HD channels, the Sanyo as is can also receive HD/DTV channels over cable without a separate STB if the cable company passes local HD/DTV channels unscrambled. [The fact is, the Sanyo is one of the only TVs that can receive these on most cable systems. Sonys and Samsungs are supposed to, but frequently can't.]
These are known as ClearQAM channels. But for any satellite channels, you'll need an external STB.
TH
Excellent!!! Thanks again!
Peter_Klim 10-29-04, 09:38 AM Originally posted by johnnyjt
You don't need a Cable Box to get HD on the Sanyo!
So far I get Fox, ABC,NBC, CBS and PBS in HD when they broadcast HD with just the cable feed (No Cable Box).
JohnnyJT
South Philly :)
How do you know if it is being viewed in HD? I say "viewed" because even though the broadcasting company recorded a show in HD, that does not mean that the cable company is sending it to your tv set in HD. Is there an light indicator or something on the set? And this is HD, not just DT, right?
Thanks Johnny!
Peter_Klim 10-29-04, 09:49 AM Originally posted by Bill1313
Peter, the Sanyo's HDTV tuner "will" receive HDTV Cable Channels & Digital Analog Cable Channels as long as they are not "Scrambled" Just think of it just like the regular analog tuner in your tv now, you can receiver regular cable channels but not pay channels or digital channels without a Cable Box. But what most people have found that most of the Digital Cable Channels & HDTV Cable Channels have not been "scrambled" yet so they are being able to pick them up with the HDTV Tuner in the Sanyo & that includes the Digital Cable Music Only Channels. But if you want pay HDTV Channels & etc then you would have to use the Cable Companies HDTV Cable Box to receive them.
OK, Bill, so the Sanyo is pretty much truely a HD receiver. Kinda like in the old days when TVs picked up channels 2-13, but the ones that were cable ready could pick up more (w/o the need of a cable box, as lonfg as they weren't the ch you need to pay extra for). But now, there are analog TVs that pick up cable channels, and then there are HD receivers that pick up those cable channels (where you don't need to pay extra) PLUS the same channels in HD.
I just didn't want to have to buy the set and find out it only works in HD if I have a stupid antenna hooked up to it or had to buy some sort of cable box/decoder (for just the regular non pay/extra channels).
Thanks!
ferrisg 10-29-04, 10:49 AM Originally posted by Peter_Klim
How do you know if it is being viewed in HD? I say "viewed" because even though the broadcasting company recorded a show in HD, that does not mean that the cable company is sending it to your tv set in HD. Is there an light indicator or something on the set? And this is HD, not just DT, right?
Thanks Johnny!
There's an information button that shows the resolution of the signal being received. In addition, it's rather easy to tell the difference between HD and SD visually. It's also widescreen in this TV's "letterbox" mode instead of being postage-stamped (letterboxed & pillarboxed as happens when SD content is broadcast in 720p or 1080i, like non-prime time network shows or the non-HD football games).
Bill1313 10-29-04, 02:45 PM Peter, If I remember right? You will have to use a Cable Splitter though so you can run the Antenna wires to BOTH the HDTV Input & the Analog Input & if you just hook it straight up to the HDTV Input it will not work. So make sure you hookup "BOTH" Antenna Inputs. The great thing about the Sanyo, even though it can be a pain, is that if you don't like it or can't get it to work right on your Cable System Wal-Mart will take it back without any questions. I'm hoping for another price drop right before Xmas or right after :D
Peter_Klim 10-29-04, 03:00 PM Originally posted by ferrisg
There's an information button that shows the resolution of the signal being received. In addition, it's rather easy to tell the difference between HD and SD visually. It's also widescreen in this TV's "letterbox" mode instead of being postage-stamped (letterboxed & pillarboxed as happens when SD content is broadcast in 720p or 1080i, like non-prime time network shows or the non-HD football games).
Thanks ferruisg!!
Peter_Klim 10-29-04, 03:07 PM Originally posted by Bill1313
Peter, If I remember right? You will have to use a Cable Splitter though so you can run the Antenna wires to BOTH the HDTV Input & the Analog Input & if you just hook it straight up to the HDTV Input it will not work. So make sure you hookup "BOTH" Antenna Inputs. The great thing about the Sanyo, even though it can be a pain, is that if you don't like it or can't get it to work right on your Cable System Wal-Mart will take it back without any questions. I'm hoping for another price drop right before Xmas or right after :D
I just got on this board to say that I finally found a Wal-Mart that has this in stock! I can NOT believe I am buying a "Sanyo". Just a few years back I gave advice against buying Sanyo.
Yes Bill, that is key: being able to return it @ WM. And I think it is 90 days (at least it for internet purchases). Ad if it does go on sale by X-mas, bring in the reciept and ask for the difference back! Oh, and thanks again for the ant tip ;)
Sometimes between now and Monday you'll be hearing about my new purchase! (Oh God, a SANYO!!!!!!)
gordita 10-29-04, 05:10 PM i wish there was a 1-page description of potential problems to look for before buying this TV. (assuming I have them switch on the tv in-store).
I am wanting to buy this tv in a couple of hours and I'm afraid I don't have the time to go through 30 pages of this topic.
can someone pls pls post a topic with some potential quirks that I should see wherein I should not buy this tv.
I've taken enough favors from friends and family while buying a new house to ask them to lug this tv back and forth from home to walmart.
I appreciate it much!!!
Originally posted by sterno3
I have heard that the PQ advantage of going from component to DVI-->HDMI is going to be barely noticeable on a screen of this size (TRUE?). Granted if you only have a DVI or S-Video to choose from (PC Card), I would DEFINITELY pay the extra for a DVI --> HDMI cable. BUT, if you have a choice between $15 component cables and ~$80 DVI --> HDMI cable, i think you might not notice the difference in PQ, only in your wallet.
Lastly, there if you do get a DVI --> HDMI cable, the manual states that you can use the audio in for the Component 3 jack set to get the sound (apparently the tv looks for audio on the HDMI connection, if it doesn't find it, it defaults to Component 3). HOWEVER, You most likely would just go from your source's optical out to your receiver's optical in though, and bypass the TV's audio in entirely.
the cheapest way is to use a dvi to hdmi adaptor. and then use a belkin dvi cable. works fine thogh it doesnt have the audio but then again my output dusent support audio out haha
Originally posted by gordita
i wish there was a 1-page description of potential problems to look for before buying this TV. (assuming I have them switch on the tv in-store).
I am wanting to buy this tv in a couple of hours and I'm afraid I don't have the time to go through 30 pages of this topic.
can someone pls pls post a topic with some potential quirks that I should see wherein I should not buy this tv.
I've taken enough favors from friends and family while buying a new house to ask them to lug this tv back and forth from home to walmart.
I appreciate it much!!!
well reading this some say theres issues with snow using comp inputs. green banding using the hd pack on x-box. thats about it. but to be honest thetres not as much bad as there are goods.
socrakaddict 10-30-04, 11:40 PM Hello everyone. I have been reading this thread for the last 2 weeks and finally decided to get the 32" Sanyo. I just got it last night from wallyworld and I can honestly say I love this set. I just wanted to post and let everyone know what results I got.
I can pick up a few HD channels and they look very good. I have my xbox hooked up with Monster Cable components and it has never looked better. I do not use my xbox for movies so I don't know how that would turn out. The dashboard was fuzzy and I did the two triggers and click the sticks trick and it looks great. All the HD games look awesome!
I have my PS2 hooked up with just S-video. I did not use component because people say you will get a lot of jaggies. It looks good with just S-video, but you can tell that the PS2 is definitely inferior to Xbox in terms of graphics now. Most of my games look good but some seem to have quite a few jaggies.
I also just have regular cable hooked up to this set as well. It looks a lot better than my last tv. The picture just seems a lot brighter and more colorful now. I was also wondering if I hook my cable lead into the digital slot will I pick up HD that way? Or is it just with an antenna? Either way I still think this set is great for the price!
Has anyone else experienced the annoying buzzing spakeaker issue? Even the slightest bass note will rattle the heck out of the TV? Am I the only one and should take it back or is this normal??
thanks
socrakaddict 10-31-04, 12:08 AM Originally posted by sbkim
Has anyone else experienced the annoying buzzing spakeaker issue? Even the slightest bass note will rattle the heck out of the TV? Am I the only one and should take it back or is this normal??
thanks
I just got this set and I did not notice any buzzing from the speakers at all.
oryan_dunn 10-31-04, 12:16 AM Originally posted by socrakaddict
I have my PS2 hooked up with just S-video. I did not use component because people say you will get a lot of jaggies. It looks good with just S-video, but you can tell that the PS2 is definitely inferior to Xbox in terms of graphics now. Most of my games look good but some seem to have quite a few jaggies.
Get component. The difference in jaggies from s-video to component is moot. Plus with component, alot of the newer games make use of progressive scan which can help some with the jaggies as well as making the picture look better overall.
Originally posted by sbkim
Has anyone else experienced the annoying buzzing spakeaker issue? Even the slightest bass note will rattle the heck out of the TV? Am I the only one and should take it back or is this normal??
thanks Not normal. Did you check the Manual Sound settings for Bass and Treble in the User Menu?
Best of luck,
Originally posted by n2lak
Not normal. Did you check the Manual Sound settings for Bass and Treble in the User Menu?
Best of luck,
Yes, I have turned the bass almost all the way down and have removed surround sound and when the volume is up fairly high, it makes a very annoying buzzing noise.
Separate discussion
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=461897
Seems like at least 2 other people had this issue..
Originally posted by sbkim
Seems like at least 2 other people had this issue.. True, I seem to recall those remarks. My 32 doesn't buzz, but recently, I've turned the speakers off in favor of my receiver. How do you feel about arranging for Sanyo Service as opposed to returning the set?
Best of luck,
cplbeirs 11-01-04, 08:19 AM Hi all, I have been following the forum for the last few months, and I have finally decided to take action and get one. I am torn between the 30" vs the 32" I think I am leaning toward the 32" Can any one help me explain the merits of the 30" over the 32" or vice versa, and possibly make my decision easier any help would be appreciated thank you.
IMO, for HD and DVD's, widescreen is the better choice.
Budget_HT 11-01-04, 10:18 AM IMHO, the 4x3 32" will enlarge the poor detail of SD and analog broadcasts (640x480 at best) and appear to reduce the the much better detail of the HDTV (1920x1080 and 1280x720) and DVD (720x480).
The 16x9 30" will reduce and minimize the poor detail of SD/analog and appear to enlarge the better detail of HD/DVD.
I owned a 4x3 36" HD monitor, and what I did NOT like was the different optimum viewing distances for SD/analog vs. HDTV/DVD: about 10-12 feet for SD/analog and about 4-6 feet for HD/DVD.
I suggest performing this test for yourself. I now have a 16x9 48" and one viewing distance works well for SD/analog and HD/DVD--about 10 feet.
As always, YMMV, but I could not stand watching "enlarged" SD/analog after watching "reduced" HD/DVD.
bhenley 11-01-04, 12:00 PM Originally posted by cplbeirs
Hi all, I have been following the forum for the last few months, and I have finally decided to take action and get one. I am torn between the 30" vs the 32" I think I am leaning toward the 32" Can any one help me explain the merits of the 30" over the 32" or vice versa, and possibly make my decision easier any help would be appreciated thank you.
The 30744 and 32744 have been the same price up until a few weeks ago and now the 30" is $50 cheaper than the 32". That has merit in itself<G>.
If you go to http://www.cavecreations.com/tv2.cgi and compare a 30" 16:9 and 32" 4:3, you will see that the viewing area of the two is nearly the same for a 16:9 source (30" is 4% larger viewing area). You'll also see that when viewing a 4:3 source, the 32" has a 70% larger area than the 30". The 30" displays the same area as a 24.5" 4:3 set. The more 4:3 that you watch, the more appealing the 32" becomes. The "cost" is getting larger black bars for the letterboxed 16:9 material, but not a smaller picture. The "cost" of the 30" for 4:3 material is a LOT smaller viewing area and the black bars go to the side instead.
I'd be curious how the sales look at the individual WalMart stores. I'd expect more 30" sales since the 32" is only available at one of my 6 local stores and the 30" was available at at least 3 of them.
BlackwaterStout 11-01-04, 01:50 PM Originally posted by Teeh
Peter:
Over-the-air always mean local channels that can be received free via an indoor or roof-top antenna. Channels received via cable or satellite are not called "over-the-air", nor are they free, but some may also be duplicates of free over-the-air channels.
The Sanyo has built in NTSC, ATSC and QAM tuners and two RF inputs. One input (NTSC) is for regular channels from either an antenna (ch 2-13 and 14-69) or non-digital cable channels (all cable channels up to about 100, depending on your cable company). The other input on the Sanyo is for digital (DTV) channels, either free local DTV channels over-the-air via antenna (usually 14-69 ATSC channels), or non-encrypted DTV channels over cable (QAM), also called DTV pass through or ClearQAM channels. Normally, if you subscribe to any cable service at all, the Sanyo will be able to pick up any available ClearQAM digital channels without having to subscribe to digital cable service.
Finally, in order to receive satellite service, regular or HD, or pay for view cable channels, you must subscribe to these services and be provided with additional equipment, including an extenal set-top-box.
TH
Can you explain this QAM in a bit more detail? I am thinking about picking up one of the 30 inch Sanyo's and I have Adelphia cable. I do not have their HD Box because I am using their DVR service. I went to their website and was doing some reading. I noticed the following quote from their FAQ HDTV programming varies by market and currently includes HDTV signals from ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS, HBO, Showtime and Starz. While HDTV channels from local broadcast stations are offered at no charge, you must subscribe to HBO, Showtime or Starz to receive their HDTV channel. Would you interpret this statement to mean they are sending unencrypted signals from ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS? If so how would I check this? What would be the correct method of hooking things up? Would I put a splitter on my cable input and send one cable into the TV's digitial input and put one from my DVR/cable box into another input? I'm definately a little confused here.
Originally posted by coomarlin ... Would you interpret this statement to mean they are sending unencrypted signals from ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS? If so how would I check this? What would be the correct method of hooking things up? Would I put a splitter on my cable input and send one cable into the TV's digitial input and put one from my DVR/cable box into another input? I'm definately a little confused here. [/B]
About whether Adelphia's local hidef channels are ClearQAM, I don't know. The requirement that you must subscribe to Hbo, Showtime, etc. may be a scare. I'm on a Charter system and I recall they have a similar requirement. I don't believe either of these services particularly like the fact that HDTVs now have built in cable box functions that can receive ClearQAM without having to pay additional fees. I simply have basic cable and receive their ClearQam without any additional equipment or fees.
I simply installed a good splitter and connected the outs to send the signal to each of two RF inputs on the Sanyo. In consideration of the DVR, do a similar split and scan all channels and you'll know for sure what you're able to pick up. If you don't like the results, return the TV or call the cable service and expect to pay for the services.
For the TV to initialize properly for use, you must have something connected to the digital RF input and do a scan, else it will go into the setup mode on every power-up.
TH
BlackwaterStout 11-01-04, 06:56 PM This is interesting. I hooked my cable directly into the digital input on back of the TV and when I turned it on I hit the channel up button and scanned the channels. After about 5-10 minutes It came back and it started at 83-1. I navigated through the various channels and it appears I have all of the premium channels like Cinimax, Showtime, Etc. It even has those stupid japanesse channels. With my standard package all I have is HBO. I was however unable to find my local broadcast stations in the scanned channels. The TV displays a DC in front of the channel. It goes up to 104.10.
This was by connecting directly into my TV from the wall. I didn't try going through my DVR STB. When I push the info button on all of those new channels I see everything from 704x480 to 528x480. What exactly does this mean?
OK, how bad does analog cable look on this TV when stretched to take advantage of teh full 30" Widescreen pic?
coomartin:
That's very interesting. 704x480 and 528x480 are digital but not hidef broadcasts. With hidef, you should have at least ___x720p or ___x1080i. My guess is that the system's ClearQAM channels are not hidef, and the local digital channels provided are not hidef. If there are any hidef ClearQAm channels, they should also appear. The fact that your channels have the DC prefix means that you have correctly connected and done the scan.
Maybe you should ask the cable company which local HDTV channels they provide in your area. Available over-the-air in my area are nine major DTV channels, of which seven are 1080i or 720p (HDTV), and five of these have sub-channels. The other two and all sub-channels are either 352x480i or 704x480i. However, the three HDTV channels I receive over ClearQam digital cable are not local, but from a major city about 100 miles away and can not be received over-the-air. 47 music sub-channels are also available over digital cable.
Now isn't that interesting? The cable companies decide what is local and what to pass through as ClearQAM, and can include some premium channels as ClearQAM. Why? Maybe they know that today only a few TVs can receive them without paying.
Shapeshifter 11-02-04, 01:35 AM Im curious about people that were complaing about magnetic problems.
questions:
1. are you using a power strip? (a proper good one, not some 15 dollar thing from homedepot etc)
2. Or are you plugging it directly into a wall outlet (Ive seen this cause discoleration, due in part to bad wiring in the house)
3. One other thing that I have seen do this, is their anything on the otherside of the wall you have the tv next to, or beside? like a fridge... or a frezzer etc. Ive also seen them affect tvs when on the opposite wall (or hooked up to the same circut)
oh and remeber to degauss if you can.
cplbeirs 11-02-04, 06:25 AM I am planning on using this television for strictly OTA reception as I do not have cable or Sat. do i still need to get a splitter for reception of non digital brodcasts or do I just plug the Ant. into the digital Ant. jack ?
Thanks
cplbeirs:
Yes, you don't need a splitter if you don't want to receive regular NTSC channels, but the Sanyo's NTSC tuner is also very good. No need to waste it if you have such channels, unless the splitter weakens your antenna's signal to the point where your digital channels become hard to receive.
TH
Originally posted by Shapeshifter
Im curious about people that were complaing about magnetic problems.
questions:
1. are you using a power strip? (a proper good one, not some 15 dollar thing from homedepot etc)....
What kind of powerstrip do you recommend for this TV?
oh and remeber to degauss if you can.
Doesn't this TV degauss during each power on cycle? Isn't that what makes the "whamp" noise on powerup?
TH
gordita 11-02-04, 09:55 AM Ok, if someone can answer some of my queries, I would really appreciate it.
I am a Dish network subscriber and have the DVR 522 in my living room.
The 522 has two outputs to connect to two TV's, but I have both of them going to my Proscan right now, operating in single mode.
Once I get settled in my new house, I intend to hook these two outputs from the 522 into my yamaha 5660 receiver. the receiver also has component out for tv.
so,
a) If I buy the 30" sanyo, I assume I will be able to connect the 522 to the receiver and then component out to the sanyo which should give me good SD PQ????
b) I will only be using OTA for HD channels, so all I have to do is buy a good indoor antenna and hook it up to the digital RF on thr sanyo and my sanyo should start receiving local HD channels.....is this correct?
c) how seamless will be channel changing between my component SD channels and my local OTA channels......?
if I'm watching a recorded show and once I'm done with it, and I want to see live OTA channel, do I have to go through the channel re-scan or what do I exactly have to press...?
d) is my understanding correct that if FOX (example) is telecasting a football game in 16:9, my sanyo will need no change in settings. but if fox is telecasting a HD show in 4:3, then, the sanyo will show bars on the sides. if it does show bars on the sides, can I zoom and fill up the screen?
how good/bad will it look?
I could not test out #d in a walmart store bcoz they did not have the remote and I could not play with any of their settings. I will have to visit another store...
this forum is just superlative and I intend to be a proud owner of a sanyo very soon but I need to make sure that it satisfies my basic requirements, especially the transition between watching SD and HD as I only watch recorded shows now, nothing live and would not mind spending a bit more to see live HD.
mucho thanks
BlackwaterStout 11-02-04, 11:11 AM I just read on another thread that if a cable company is including local broadcast HD channels as part of their HD lineup they are required to provide them for free to people with QAM capable TV's. Is this something I should go to my local Adelphia office and talk to them about? I'm thinking maybe I shouldn't push them too far considering I am now receiving about 50 premium digital stations that I don't normally receive in my package. I know for sure the HD channels in my cable companies lineup are ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS, HBO, Starz, ESPN, and I think Discovery. By law the ABC, CBS, NBC, and PBS stations should be available to me correct? When I do a digital scan of channels they do not show up.
Shapeshifter 11-02-04, 12:58 PM Originally posted by Teeh
What kind of powerstrip do you recommend for this TV?
Doesn't this TV degauss during each power on cycle? Isn't that what makes the "whamp" noise on powerup?
TH
well there are a few good compaines out there, myself I like APC, they have always treated their buyers very well. and they have great products.
On another note, don't buy any of those stupid monster power strips, rip offs.
oh and for that mater, anything made by monster:p
oryan_dunn 11-02-04, 04:03 PM Originally posted by gordita Ok, if someone can answer some of my queries, I would really appreciate it.
I am a Dish network subscriber and have the DVR 522 in my living room.
The 522 has two outputs to connect to two TV's, but I have both of them going to my Proscan right now, operating in single mode.
Once I get settled in my new house, I intend to hook these two outputs from the 522 into my yamaha 5660 receiver. the receiver also has component out for tv.
so,
a) If I buy the 30" sanyo, I assume I will be able to connect the 522 to the receiver and then component out to the sanyo which should give me good SD PQ????
Should be good, as good as a DVD player, or rather as good as is possible from that box
b) I will only be using OTA for HD channels, so all I have to do is buy a good indoor antenna and hook it up to the digital RF on thr sanyo and my sanyo should start receiving local HD channels.....is this correct?
yeah
c) how seamless will be channel changing between my component SD channels and my local OTA channels......?
if I'm watching a recorded show and once I'm done with it, and I want to see live OTA channel, do I have to go through the channel re-scan or what do I exactly have to press...?
since the inputs are part of the channel line up, it is very seamless. you'd use your sanyo to go though the component and then ota hd. then your satalite remote to change satalite channels while the sanyo is on a component input
d) is my understanding correct that if FOX (example) is telecasting a football game in 16:9, my sanyo will need no change in settings. but if fox is telecasting a HD show in 4:3, then, the sanyo will show bars on the sides. if it does show bars on the sides, can I zoom and fill up the screen?
how good/bad will it look?
well if a show is in 4:3, then it cannot be HD. It depends on the broadcaster, but if you are veiwing the game on the fox digital channel and they have added the black bars at the tv station, then you won't be able to get rid of them (i think that this is the case with many hd sets). If they are broadcasting that 4:3 streched to the 16:9 picture frame, then the sanyo can zoom or put the bars on the side.
I could not test out #d in a walmart store bcoz they did not have the remote and I could not play with any of their settings. I will have to visit another store...
this forum is just superlative and I intend to be a proud owner of a sanyo very soon but I need to make sure that it satisfies my basic requirements, especially the transition between watching SD and HD as I only watch recorded shows now, nothing live and would not mind spending a bit more to see live HD.
mucho thanks
Originally posted by Teeh
About whether Adelphia's local hidef channels are ClearQAM, I don't know. The requirement that you must subscribe to Hbo, Showtime, etc. may be a scare. I'm on a Charter system and I recall they have a similar requirement. I don't believe either of these services particularly like the fact that HDTVs now have built in cable box functions that can receive ClearQAM without having to pay additional fees. I simply have basic cable and receive their ClearQam without any additional equipment or fees.
I simply installed a good splitter and connected the outs to send the signal to each of two RF inputs on the Sanyo. In consideration of the DVR, do a similar split and scan all channels and you'll know for sure what you're able to pick up. If you don't like the results, return the TV or call the cable service and expect to pay for the services.
For the TV to initialize properly for use, you must have something connected to the digital RF input and do a scan, else it will go into the setup mode on every power-up.
TH
Teeh, where are you located. I have Charter in Gwinnett County, Georgia and would get this set in a heartbeat if I knew I could get HD on the networks . I only have basic/extended cable (not digital cable).
BlackwaterStout 11-03-04, 05:48 AM After fiddling hours trying to get clearQAM freebie network HD I called my cable company again and they seemed to know nothing about it. They did tell me however that I could get an HD-DVR for the same price that I am paying for my standard DVR and it would include the networks as well as HD Feeds to the channels I already have on standard cable (HBO, ESPN, and the networks). They also offer StarzHD and CinemaxHD but since I don't subsribe to them those wouldn't be included. So in my case it's a simply matter of having them come and switch DVR boxes for me. I technically should still be able to hook back into the digital input and receive all of the other premium channels I've been getting for free as well. But I'll be damn sure I disconnect that before they come to setup the new box :)
You might say that in my case since I'll be getting the HD channels via an STB then the built in tuner in my set is useless, but considering I'm picking up 40-50 channels of premium channels through it I think it's serving it's purpose. I'll end up with the best of both worlds.
I'm sure my cable company is going to want to hook the STB up via component cables, but it would be nice if they would use the HDMI connector. I know the HD-DVR is a Scientific Atlanta HD8000 which has a DVI connector on back but now HDMI. Maybe I could buy my own HDMI to DVI connector and use it. Although I refuse to pay $100 for one. How are the quality of those $20 cables on Ebay?
BlackwaterStout 11-03-04, 09:25 AM Anyone ever try one of those HDMI-to-DVI Ebay cables? How is the quality? I've bought fireware cables off of Ebay for a fraction of the price of a retailer with good results. Just wondered if anyone has used them. My new HD-DVR will have a DVI connection and would like to use that over Component.
ferrisg 11-03-04, 10:35 AM How long of a cable do you need?
pacificcable.com has male DVI to male HDMI 1 meter for $28, 2 meter for $31.
ramelectronics.net has 2 meter for $30, 2.5 meter for $40.
Both of these companies make high quality cables. If you only need a 1 or 2 meter cable you'll probably be alright with anything you buy (unless the seller is a real scam-artist selling seriously junk cables).
gordita 11-03-04, 10:48 AM Originally posted by oryan_dunn
Very good info Oryan......thank you.
one more question: If i'm watching a 4:3 SD show (example: CNN) and I stretch the image (I'm assuming the sanyo must have a couple of stretch options?), how does the image look?
I ask all the 30" WS owners this question........I understand that the image will look somewhat bloated, but do you get used to it after awhile?
how are the stretch modes in sanyo?
do stretch modes differ from each manufacturer ?
thanks
BlackwaterStout 11-03-04, 11:49 AM The stretch mode does take a bit getting used to. It makes a chubby chick look fat and a fat chick look obese :) Some people never get used to it and therefore just watch it in pillar box mode (With vertical bands on each side of the image).
oryan_dunn 11-03-04, 01:03 PM with the sanyo, there is only the linear stretch labeled full. some other manufacturers have a non-linear stretch where it streches the sides more than the middle. It just depends on what I am watching what mode i use on my philips.
gordita 11-03-04, 01:19 PM ya, this could be a dealbreaker bcoz I hate watching SD programming with bars on top and on the sides.....so maybe I will goto a store and try the zoom before I buy.
Peter_Klim 11-03-04, 01:48 PM The "Zoom 1" setting works REAL good!
gordita 11-03-04, 01:50 PM does this get rid of the top+bottom and the side bars?
how good/bad is the image distortion?
perhaps, I will try the zoom1 setting at a local walmart tonight...
thanks
johnnyjt 11-03-04, 02:53 PM Originally posted by coomarlin
Anyone ever try one of those HDMI-to-DVI Ebay cables? How is the quality? I've bought fireware cables off of Ebay for a fraction of the price of a retailer with good results. Just wondered if anyone has used them. My new HD-DVR will have a DVI connection and would like to use that over Component.
I have these cables are great and at a very reasonable price...
eBay # 5725757877 and # 5725757865
JohnnyJT
South Philly :p
upNdown 11-03-04, 04:11 PM Originally posted by coomarlin
The stretch mode does take a bit getting used to. It makes a chubby chick look fat and a fat chick look obese :) Some people never get used to it and therefore just watch it in pillar box mode (With vertical bands on each side of the image).
I've never undestood how people can watch distorted, stretched images. I always figured if you bought an HD TV, you were looking for the most realistic image possible, and a stretched and distorted image is about as far from that as you can get. That's why I bought the 32".
BlackwaterStout 11-03-04, 04:29 PM Originally posted by upNdown
I've never undestood how people can watch distorted, stretched images. I always figured if you bought an HD TV, you were looking for the most realistic image possible, and a stretched and distorted image is about as far from that as you can get. That's why I bought the 32".
Yeah but you've got to remember than when you are watching actual HD programming or DVD's that the 16:9 will really shine. There is no stretching of HD channels on 16:9 screens because the native resolution of HD programming is 16:9. The stretching comes into play when you are watching SD channels that are native 4:3.
Someone in an earlier thread made a statement that made a lot of sense. He said that he would rather see the HD material and DVD material in all of it's 16:9 glory than to see it letterboxed on a 4:3 TV. It's a big trade off. You either deal with horizontal bars on a 4:3 TV in HD, or you deal with vertical bars on a 16:9 in SD. If you don't like the bars you can either stretch the screen horizontally, or you can zoom the screen and chop the top and bottom off.
Peter_Klim 11-03-04, 06:27 PM There is no stretching of HD channels on 4:3 screens either.
But the disadvantage with the 4:3 is that the HD image will be smaller than with the 16:9.
Anyone fixed the Xbox and green lines problem yet? What about the tilt correction?
BlackwaterStout 11-04-04, 08:57 AM I have another quick question. I'm getting an HD-DVR box tomorrow that has DVI output and an optical Audio jack. As of right now I don't have a HT receiver so how should I connect things. I'm going to get a DVI-HDMI cable for the video, but will connecting the Digital Audio from the HD-DVR to the TV accomplish anything considering I'm just using the TV speakers for now? Or should I just hook up the audio via stereo cables?
donxavier 11-04-04, 12:41 PM I have the HT32744, great TV by the way, and I wanted to use it to display video from my PC. Can anyone recommend a good DVI enabled card and cable that will hook up to the HDMI port on the TV and work???? I have an Xtasy 6964 and when I hook that up to the HDMI port I get no display. S-video works but not HDMI. I know the HDMI port is working because I was able to run a Denon 1910 through it and get a good display.
If anyone would care to share their insight or experience it would be greatly appreciated. Also, will I notice a big difference in display quality, sharpness and resolution, by running this through DVI as oppossed to S-video?? Are there any pitfalls I should know about. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
If anyone could help me out quickly.. I need to know if anyone fixed the Xbox and green lines problem yet? What about the tilt correction? I want to buy this TV but need to know about this first since I will be using it mainly for Xbox, DVDs (PS2) and regular cable.
oryan_dunn 11-04-04, 01:34 PM Originally posted by coomarlin
I have another quick question. I'm getting an HD-DVR box tomorrow that has DVI output and an optical Audio jack. As of right now I don't have a HT receiver so how should I connect things. I'm going to get a DVI-HDMI cable for the video, but will connecting the Digital Audio from the HD-DVR to the TV accomplish anything considering I'm just using the TV speakers for now? Or should I just hook up the audio via stereo cables?
You'll need to use the stereo cables. The optical jack on the tv is an output only for when you are using the built in tuner.
socrakaddict 11-04-04, 02:20 PM Originally posted by Nylok
If anyone could help me out quickly.. I need to know if anyone fixed the Xbox and green lines problem yet? What about the tilt correction? I want to buy this TV but need to know about this first since I will be using it mainly for Xbox, DVDs (PS2) and regular cable.
I just got this tv last week and my xbox works perfect with the monster cable component wires. The dashboard was fuzzy but i have xbox live updates and did the little trick to make the dash in hi def. The games look awesome on this tv. I have never seen any green lines at all. I don't know if it is the older xboxes that do this or what. I have one of the green mt. dew xboxes and it seems to work fine. I do not use it for dvds though. I have my ps2 hooked up with just svideo and it looks ok. I am going to get the monster cables for it soon. Let me know if you need to know anything else and I will see what I can do.
how is the Ps2 on the TV? for gaming and dvds, should I just go with a regular Sony instead?
socrakaddict 11-04-04, 03:06 PM The ps2 looks good for both games and movies. And that is with just svideo. Next week I am getting the component cables for it.
Peter_Klim 11-04-04, 08:00 PM Originally posted by gordita
does this get rid of the top+bottom and the side bars?
how good/bad is the image distortion?
perhaps, I will try the zoom1 setting at a local walmart tonight...
thanks
Zoom 1 leaves about an inch per side of bars.
Zoom 2 leaves no bars, put the pic quality isn't satisfactory, at least to me.
Sorry I replied so late.
Hi,
I want to use my TV for XBOX, PS2 (prog.scan DVD player for DVDs) and analog cable for now (I live in Canada and don't know if I will get any over the air hd channels). Should I go for a Sony Wega 27'' analog TV or the 27'' Sanyo HD for about the same price (70$ diff)? Some say I will get a better picture with the Sony because it has a better picture tube, but right now I'm in University and can't afford to upgrade my tv for at least another 5-6 years, and all I'm looking for is a high quality picture and a tv that I can enjoy my games and DVDs. What should I go for? I did my research but some say go HD but not with Sanyo, some say get the Sanyo and some say get a regular Wega... I'm all confused and need help from you guys!!
thanks,
Nylok
jamesd3rd 11-04-04, 11:23 PM To all owners of the Sanyo HD Widescreen. How often do you find yourself switching viewing modes to accomodate the broadcast you're trying to watch.
In other words, if the broadcast is in HD and you're already in a mode that supports 16:9, presumably you don't need to change a thing. But if the broadcast is not consistent with the mode the set is currently in, you need to change the mode the TV is in correct?
Don't you find all this mode changing a bit inconvenient and tedious? Or do you tell yourself 'you just get used to it?' It doesn't sound as if you can take this thing out of the box, set it up, turn it on and just leave it alone like a good ole 4:3 SD TV. With all of today's current technology, it's too bad these TVs can't auto detect the signal and change accordingly. Kind of like how my Sony HT receiver can auto detect the type of audio signal it gets from my cable STB.
It almost makes me wonder if that kind of picture clarity is worth all that hassle. Or am I just being too picky?
speedy777 11-05-04, 01:44 AM Originally posted by coomarlin
Can you explain this QAM in a bit more detail? I am thinking about picking up one of the 30 inch Sanyo's and I have Adelphia cable. I do not have their HD Box because I am using their DVR service. I went to their website and was doing some reading. I noticed the following quote from their FAQ Would you interpret this statement to mean they are sending unencrypted signals from ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS? If so how would I check this? What would be the correct method of hooking things up? Would I put a splitter on my cable input and send one cable into the TV's digitial input and put one from my DVR/cable box into another input? I'm definately a little confused here.
Go to www.Antennaweb.org to find out the TV station available in your area. As far as hooking the antenna, it is very easy. There are 2 RF inputs (1 HD, 1 analog) in the back...just get a splitter and connect to both so you can receive HD and analog.
Hello all, I have been a long time lurker to the ReplayTV forum. After seeing this deal at FatWallet, I came here and read the glowing reviews. I bought the 30" set today.
I read the entire 68 pages of the closed thread, and my eyes are permanently crossed. I cannot get this thing to work, and I greatly appreciate any assistance you can give.
I have digital cable from Charter Communications in S.C. I have a STB. My old TV stayed tuned to channel 3 and I change channels on the STB. The cable comes from the wall to a splitter. One side goes to the modem, the other to another splitter. Of that split, one went to my ReplayTV and the other to my old TV.
Now, I take the line that went to my old TV (from the STB) and plug it into the digital antenna in. I turn on the TV and get gray screen after it searches for channels. I try to do a search for digital cable, but the option for Digital Add-on Search is greyed out.
I then attach the cable to the analog/UHF/VHF/CATV, and search for channels. Now I get *most* of my old channels, but none in widescreen, and when I hit the INFO button, it does not indicate that I am getting "HDTV."
Please tell me where I'm going wrong? I cannot find the answer in these multitudes of posts. I am not signed up for "HDTV" through Charter, but I thought I could get CQAM channels?
OK, I took the feed from the Digital STB box and ran it to the UHF/VHF/CATV input, and took a split straight from the wall into the digital antenna input. I went through the digital cable search and now have some "digital" channels.
The only one that gives me info of 1920*1080 is 103-2, which is CBS. Even though, the picture is not full widescreen. Is this full "HDTV?" All the other non-music channels it found are at 352*480. Would plugging my digital STB into the Sanyo via component cables make a difference?
What could I gain by calling Charter and getting their "HDTV" package? Should I just get an antenna and pull down OTA digital TV?
I have other questions about my Xbox, ReplayTV and Phillips DVP642 DVD player, but I'll hold those and see if I can even get an acceptable digital solution first.
Thanks again for reading, and I appreciate any help you can provide.
BlackwaterStout 11-05-04, 07:11 AM I'm no expert but believe a STB should be hooked up via component or HDMI. Those modes fully support the HD stansards of 1080i and 720p. I don't think hooking a STB to the digital tuner will accomplish anything. As for receiving 1080i via component video inputs your STB much support HD. A standard cable box is only going to allow for SD channels.
So if you want to use the digital tuner built into the TV you either have to hook it to an external antena or hook a line directly from your cable and attempt to get clearQAM channels. It sounds like you've already accomplished that by getting channel 103.2. The reason the picture might not have been in widescreen is because the actual program you were watching was not supposed to be in HD. Not all of the networks shows are in HD. In fact, the only HD shows they offer are mainly those popular programs from prime time like CSI. You should also be able to pick up some NFL games on CBS in HD. Go to TitanTV.com and they have a TV guide that will show you whats playing in HD.
As far as your TV is concerned, I believe it will auto sense an HD signal and properly frame it on the screen. I haven't actually tried it yet because my cable guy will be by in about an hour to install my new HD-DVR.
Peter_Klim 11-05-04, 08:16 AM Originally posted by sjshaw
OK, I took the feed from the Digital STB box and ran it to the UHF/VHF/CATV input, and took a split straight from the wall into the digital antenna input. I went through the digital cable search and now have some "digital" channels.
The only one that gives me info of 1920*1080 is 103-2, which is CBS. Even though, the picture is not full widescreen. Is this full "HDTV?" All the other non-music channels it found are at 352*480. Would plugging my digital STB into the Sanyo via component cables make a difference?
What could I gain by calling Charter and getting their "HDTV" package? Should I just get an antenna and pull down OTA digital TV?
I have other questions about my Xbox, ReplayTV and Phillips DVP642 DVD player, but I'll hold those and see if I can even get an acceptable digital solution first.
Thanks again for reading, and I appreciate any help you can provide.
Hi sjshaw,
I kinda had the same questions you had in regards to getting HD channels. What I was told to do was to split the cable so that both cable inputs are connected on the TV at the same time (but you already figured this out). For more information, you can review my posts and replies to them from page 28 & 29 of this thread.
About getting the full screen to display with your HD pic, try using the "PIX Shape" button to display the picture in "full" mode (this is what my DVD player's manual tells me to set my TV in , for viewing DVDs of course, even though it already told me to set the DVD player in "16:9" mode when viewing DVDs on a wide screen tv).
Hope this helps!
BlackwaterStout 11-05-04, 10:38 AM This sucks. The cable guy stoped by today to hook up my new HD-DVR box (SA HD-8000). We hooked it up via component cables. When he turned it on the TV displayed the channel in the background, but it was mostly black and white along with nasty looking vertical lines sort of green/red. I hooked it into the other component jack and the same thing appeared. He thought maybe the DVR unit was bad so I ran over to my local cable office and swapped it for another brand new one. Same thing happened. My first instinct would be to say that the component jacks on the tv are bad, but my DVD player works fine with them. I thought maybe the cable was bad so I swapped it with 2 other sets of component cables and that didn't help either. I then ran a piece of coax from the coax-out port on the STB to the analog input on the TV and that worked. Well not from an HD standpoint but there was normal analog color. So now I'm not sure what the deal is. Either I was extremely unlucky and happened to get two bad DVR units, or else my DVR and TV aren't compatable.
My old standard SA DVR worked fine with the TV, but it was hooked up via s-video. Anyone able to get this TV working with a Scientific Atlanta HD-8000? I'd like to try the HDMI port but I do not have an HDMI-DVI cable. I don't think my cable company offers them.
UPDATE:
I read a thread about problems with SA 8000 DVR's and found how to access a setup menu that allows me to change a few things. When I did this I got my color back. The steps however ask me to select either 16:9 or 4:3. After selecting 16:9 I am asked to view several different types of signals. 1080i, 720p, 480p, and 480i. I have the option to save any of those signals that are viewable. They all are and I select to save them all. When I turn the DVR back on and click on the info button every station shows up as 1920x1080 (601). The HD-HBO looks good. But even when I turn to a standard non-HD channel like TBS the info button still shows 1920x1080. What is going on here? It seems like the STB is coverting all channels to 1080i? Is this correct?
varaonaid 11-05-04, 12:07 PM Hi All,
Just saw online that there was a price drop on the 30". I'm hoping that instore prices follow for both the 32" and 30"WS. You can check it out here:
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=2601425&cat=136937&type=19&dept=3944&path=0%3A3944%3A120176%3A107028%3A107057%3A136937
gordita 11-05-04, 12:14 PM u mean the 30" is now $647 ?
this price has existed for weeks now.......or has the price dropped more?
Peter_Klim 11-05-04, 01:04 PM Originally posted by varaonaid
Hi All,
Just saw online that there was a price drop on the 30". I'm hoping that instore prices follow for both the 32" and 30"WS. You can check it out here:
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=2601425&cat=136937&type=19&dept=3944&path=0%3A3944%3A120176%3A107028%3A107057%3A136937
This sale started last week, I think Wed/Thur??
I got my instore purchase this past Saturday at the website's price of $647.
I don't know what it was priced at in the store. I called stores to see who had it in stock and the store that did was a distance from me. I had my cuz pick it up for me (he lived by the store and he, unlike me, has a truck). The salesperson on the store confirmed the sale price with me, but my cuz said that salesperson kept telling him he had the wrong price (the sale price). So I don't know where anyone got their prices from.
Anyway, I am VERY sure that all you need to do is go to the store and explain to them that it is discounted at their website and they will honor it.
ps, this was for the 30W
varaonaid 11-05-04, 01:23 PM In my local stores it's been $697 (dropped from $747). Now, online it's showing $647.
I hope that store prices follow...
cplbeirs 11-05-04, 01:42 PM both stores that i checked in my area have it for 647 I will be there to get one on Monday
TH3_FRB 11-05-04, 02:12 PM Not to be picky but it is actually one digital and one analog input. The digital could be either HD or SD.
Originally posted by speedy777
(1 HD, 1 analog)
TH3_FRB 11-05-04, 02:25 PM Do you have the 30" or 32"? By selecting 16:9 I believe you are telling the STB that it should send everything out in 16:9 format because that's the format of your tv. Try changing that setting to 4:3. If every channel shows up as 1920x1080i then it sounds like the STB is upconverting everything before sending it to the Sanyo. Also check your zoom setting...the Sanyo could be streching the 4:3 content by default and making it 16:9.
Originally posted by coomarlin
UPDATE:
I read a thread about problems with SA 8000 DVR's and found how to access a setup menu that allows me to change a few things. When I did this I got my color back. The steps however ask me to select either 16:9 or 4:3. After selecting 16:9 I am asked to view several different types of signals. 1080i, 720p, 480p, and 480i. I have the option to save any of those signals that are viewable. They all are and I select to save them all. When I turn the DVR back on and click on the info button every station shows up as 1920x1080 (601). The HD-HBO looks good. But even when I turn to a standard non-HD channel like TBS the info button still shows 1920x1080. What is going on here? It seems like the STB is coverting all channels to 1080i? Is this correct?
Has anyone noticed a flicker issue with this TV? I saw one or two posts about it on the previous thread, but no conclusive solutions. I seem to be getting it on all inputs, but it's most obvious in still images on the component inputs. As the poster in the previous thread noted, the no input blue box that's displayed when there's nothing connected is flicker free.
Bill1313 11-05-04, 03:08 PM Anyone think the Sanyo's will be under $600 on "Black Friday" Maybe $597.00 :D
johnamus 11-05-04, 03:25 PM Thats the omen Im waiting for although 650 isnt too bad.
varaonaid 11-05-04, 03:35 PM I hope so. As johnamus said $647 isn't bad at all but my worry is a local walmart enployee told me that all their prices typically go up as of Dec 1 for the Christmas holidays then go back down in Jan. I'm hoping this won't be true of this item!
varaonaid 11-05-04, 03:59 PM have both the 32" and the 30"ws dropped to $647 in your area at the store, cplbeirs? I'm leaning towards the 32" since so much of tv is still in the 4:3 format and 16:9 format on that screen would be 29.4" (very detailed screen size calculator can be found here: http://www.cavecreations.com/tv2.cgi) which so close in size to the 30"ws. by contrast, the 30"ws in 4:3 mode is equivilent to a 24.5" screen. Too small for that price!
johnamus 11-05-04, 03:59 PM I'm thinking of buying one of these sets, but I hope someone can answer a question. How is the picture quality on the set with analog cable input? I havea 25 inch crt now that I would be replacing primarily to recieve better xbox and dvd pq. Ive heard something about hdtv's showing analog cable worse than a standard tube, but dont know how the sanyo performs. I apologize if this has been covered already (its a long thread)
Amigo-2k 11-05-04, 04:29 PM I think SD tv looks better on this HDTV 32" then on my 10 year old 25". Very clear and sharp and bright.
I think the 32" is the better choice for me since 90% of my viewing habits are 4:3. I'm sure that with in the next 1-2years you can buy a nice DLP or plasma +42" for under 1500.00. That is what I'm waiting for but this 32" Sanyo will introduce me to the technology for the next couple of years.
Peter_Klim 11-05-04, 04:39 PM Originally posted by johnamus
I'm thinking of buying one of these sets, but I hope someone can answer a question. How is the picture quality on the set with analog cable input? I havea 25 inch crt now that I would be replacing primarily to recieve better xbox and dvd pq. Ive heard something about hdtv's showing analog cable worse than a standard tube, but dont know how the sanyo performs. I apologize if this has been covered already (its a long thread)
MUCH better than my 7 year old 32" Sony!
Peter_Klim 11-05-04, 04:40 PM Originally posted by varaonaid
In my local stores it's been $697 (dropped from $747). Now, online it's showing $647.
I hope that store prices follow...
You should be able to get it at that price. Read my post located just before yours.
Peter_Klim 11-05-04, 04:42 PM Originally posted by varaonaid
I hope so. As johnamus said $647 isn't bad at all but my worry is a local walmart enployee told me that all their prices typically go up as of Dec 1 for the Christmas holidays then go back down in Jan. I'm hoping this won't be true of this item!
You can just buy it now (at $647) and if it goes lower within 90 days, bring in your receipt for a price difference return...or you could keep returning it up to every 90 days just to buy it back at the discounted price :cool:
johnamus 11-05-04, 04:58 PM or you could keep returning it up to every 90 days just to buy it back at the discounted price
LOL. That would be the mark of a true bargain devotee.
cplbeirs 11-05-04, 05:49 PM varaonaid, as far as I know just the 30" is $647 the other one is still $697 but your area might be different
oryan_dunn 11-05-04, 06:08 PM Originally posted by varaonaid
I hope so. As johnamus said $647 isn't bad at all but my worry is a local walmart enployee told me that all their prices typically go up as of Dec 1 for the Christmas holidays then go back down in Jan. I'm hoping this won't be true of this item!
I've worked at Wal-Mart for 5 years + with 4+ of those years in the electronics department. I've never seen this sort of thing happen. Usually, prices will drop before Christmas to lure more customers in. In general, if an item goes on Rollback (Wal-Mart name for a sale), it will remain at that price. I've only seen a few items actually go back up in price.
As for the TV's themselves, so far the 30" should be priced at $647 at all stores and the 32" should be at $697 at all stores. Usually, if an associate tells you otherwise, they are either looking at an outdated price tag, or for some reason the price hasn't kicked in at their store level system yet, possibly a store level management decision.
Originally posted by oryan_dunn
....so far the 30" should be priced at $647 at all stores and the 32" should be at $697 at all stores....
When I first took an interest in the Sanyo HT744 series, the 32" 4:3 and the 30" 16:9 both sold for $747 in Walmart stores. Now after a few months, why is the 30" model $50 less than the 32" model?
Is it that the 30" can be manufactured for less compared to the 32" model? Or is it a supply and demand situation, where 30" models are moving out much more slowly than the 32" model?
If the latter is a part of the reason, is this an industry trend...people haven't embraced the new 16:9 format. I've read quite a few posts that argue the benefits of the 4:3 compared to the 16:9 format for prevalently available programming.
Well, I got the 30 inch model and have no regrets. For 4:3 programs, I find a zoom setting that fills the screen and hope that soon all programs will be in 16:9. Too, I later got the $50 price difference refunded after the last price drop. If there is another "rollback," I'll happily stand in line for another refund.
TH
I'm attempting to assist my parents in resolving a volume problem with their new Sanyo HT32744. This is a bit of a challenge as they are in CT and I'm in TX. Quite often when music plays on a program it is extremely loud. So loud, in fact, that it is difficult to hear the dialogue clearly. My parents never had this problem with their old TV. I should also mention that when they purchased the Sanyo they upgraded to the Comcast HD package. Any assistance in this matter would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you coomarlin and Peter_Klim for responding. I have read this entire thread as well as the other, and searched for answers to my questions. I still need some assistance, if all of you could help.
Let me tell the forum what I have done, as it could help others. I also have these new questions now that I would greatly appreciate some help with.
I called Charter and told them that I had just bought a HDTV and was cancelling my service and going to DirectTV. I told them paying $115/month for Digital Cable and highspeed Net was ridiculous. They asked what DirectTV was going to charge. I told them $39.99 for DirectTV and $24.95 for highspeed access through Bellsouth. The lady (Shanique) was very nice (not normal for Charter) and told me she couldn't beat that price, but would give me my internet access and the full HDTV package for $80. Needless to say, I took it. So I saved $30-$40/month by just calling Charter. The TV is paying for itself! :) I have HDNet, ESPN HD, HBO HD, and the local NBC affiliateis HD. It isn't much, but that's what I get for living in Greenville, SC. AntennaWeb showed many more staions available, so I'm going to give that a shot soon.
Onto the issues:
I got the HD STB and hooked it to Component 3 on the TV. I ran a coaxial from the wall to the UHF/VHF/CATV input for analog. I have a Philips DVP-642 DVD player and hooked it to Component 2. I ran S-Video from the STB to my ReplayTV 5504 S-Video input and the S-Video output of the ReplayTV to my TV's S-Video input (Video1). My issues:
1. When I play a DVD (Matrix Reloaded for example), the 16:9 is letterboxed on my 30" Sanyo! The Sanyo is on "Full" pix shape, and the Philips is set to output 16:9 and progressive scan. I thought the whole point of the widescreen TV was no letterboxing of DVD's. Any ideas what is going on here? "Info" shows "Component2 - 720*480(60P).
2. The ReplayTV works OK playing prerecorded material, but I cannot pick up any channels in the Replay "tuner." I get the blue screen and "No Video detected" message. I checked ReplayTvFAQ.com and nothing there helped. Any ideas on how to fix this? I thought I had everything routed correctly. I would connect the cable directly from the wall, but then I can't record the encrypted digital channels on my RTV. Also, I assume I cannot use the Progressive Scan output feature of the RTV without hooking it to the Component inputs of the Sanyo?
3. When watching STV, I press info and get "1920*1080(60I)" for all channels, which is the same I get for ESPN HD. How can this be correct?
4. I am going to hook an antenna to the digital cable input. How do I switch from that "channel list" to the one already on the Sanyo? I know that one wipes out the other. How do you guys handle this> What does the "switch antenna" command do? The manual doesn't explain properly.
5. Lastly, I've used up the 2 component inputs and 1 S-Video input on the Sanyo. I have an Xbox left to hook up, and I want to use the component inputs. How do you guys deal with having too many devices and not enough component inputs?
Thanks for reading. I really appreciate this site and forum. It has given me a wealth of info in the past. Now that I'm dragging my TV viewing into the 21st century, all of you are an invaluable resource. If any of you need patent/trademark/copyright advice, feel free to PM me.
matrixrok10 11-06-04, 12:13 AM 2.35: 1 ratio movies like Matrix Reloaded will always have black bars, just not as big as when watching on a 4:3 tv. 1.85:1 movies (Blade 2, Hellboy) will fill up the whole screen.
Thanks, matrixrok10. One issue down, 4 to go.
oryan_dunn 11-06-04, 01:47 AM Originally posted by drbs
I'm attempting to assist my parents in resolving a volume problem with their new Sanyo HT32744. This is a bit of a challenge as they are in CT and I'm in TX. Quite often when music plays on a program it is extremely loud. So loud, in fact, that it is difficult to hear the dialogue clearly. My parents never had this problem with their old TV. I should also mention that when they purchased the Sanyo they upgraded to the Comcast HD package. Any assistance in this matter would be greatly appreciated.
This can be caused by having the tv's sound set to surround. This will take the two channel sound and try to recreate a surround sound effect with the tv's built in speakers. It works well for some movies, but for most other things, it will boost the music and effects, and deaden the voices. I'm not sure, but I think that these tvs ship with that option enabled. It is in the tv's menu under sound somewhere; it should cover it in the manual. Have them give it a try and see if it clears that issue up.
oryan_dunn 11-06-04, 01:59 AM Originally posted by sjshaw
2. The ReplayTV works OK playing prerecorded material, but I cannot pick up any channels in the Replay "tuner." I get the blue screen and "No Video detected" message. I checked ReplayTvFAQ.com and nothing there helped. Any ideas on how to fix this? I thought I had everything routed correctly. I would connect the cable directly from the wall, but then I can't record the encrypted digital channels on my RTV. Also, I assume I cannot use the Progressive Scan output feature of the RTV without hooking it to the Component inputs of the Sanyo?
3. When watching STV, I press info and get "1920*1080(60I)" for all channels, which is the same I get for ESPN HD. How can this be correct?
4. I am going to hook an antenna to the digital cable input. How do I switch from that "channel list" to the one already on the Sanyo? I know that one wipes out the other. How do you guys handle this> What does the "switch antenna" command do? The manual doesn't explain properly.
5. Lastly, I've used up the 2 component inputs and 1 S-Video input on the Sanyo. I have an Xbox left to hook up, and I want to use the component inputs. How do you guys deal with having too many devices and not enough component inputs?
Thanks for reading. I really appreciate this site and forum. It has given me a wealth of info in the past. Now that I'm dragging my TV viewing into the 21st century, all of you are an invaluable resource. If any of you need patent/trademark/copyright advice, feel free to PM me.
Well 1 was already covered. Not sure on 2 as I don't have a replay tv. But I think i may be able to help on the others.
For 3, it sounds like your stb is just upconverting everything and sending the signal along as HD. This is not converting the actual source to HD, just taking the analog signal and sending it to your tv that way. This is usually done so that the tv doesn't have to change sync modes every time you change a channel. I don't know any specifics of your cable box, but you may be able to change this setting if you want the stb to send everythign along natively.
On 4, this tv actually has 3 channel lists. One is the analog list, another is the digital antenna list, and the third is the digital cable list. With this tv, you can only have one of the digital lists active at any one time, but the tv will remember the channels, so you can change your tv from digital antenna to digital cable list, and it will remember the settings (this is useful if you use an a/b switch to switch between an antenna and your cable from the wall going into the digital port).
And on 5. there are many options. One is to get an audio reciever that has component switching. Another is to get a high end component switch like a zextor or similar. A third option is to get a pelican system selector pro that has 7 component inputs, ethernet switching, as well as optical audio switching (normally sells for around 90-100 bucks). I use the pelican, as I didn't see the need to spend an extravegant amount on a switchbox, and I wanted all those other switching capabilities. And (disclaimer: i work for walmart), we have a new pelican component switch that has 3 component inputs, one component output, ethernet switching, and 10 interchangeable face plates. This thing sells for 25 bucks. Not sure if all walmarts will carry this, but probably most supercenters. I would be willing ot bet that other stores that carry pelican accessories, such as best buy or circuit city, will also carry this for a similar price.
Ryan
Ryan,
Thanks so much. I will look into the Pelican component switch. I've been back and forth to Wally World so much the past 2 days I feel like I work there too.
I don't have anything currently hooked to the digital port. If I hook the antenna up to it, is that where I use the "Antenna Switch" option to make the unit choose which digital list to make active, or is there another way?
Now I have to get this ReplayTV issue resolved. I found a thread at PlanetReplay that purported to solve the problem, but it isn't working for me.
Steve
Peter_Klim 11-06-04, 07:54 AM Hi Steve,
Sorry I responded late, even though I only had answeres for 1 & 5. :(
(My friends can't believe that a gadget guy like me still doesn't have things like TiVo and satellite. If I did, I probably would've know the answeres).
I just got this tv a few days ago and will be getting some cables and splitters today - then I may have some questions for you too! ;)
Glad your getting your issues resolved!
Originally posted by drbs
I'm attempting to assist my parents in resolving a volume problem with their new Sanyo HT32744. This is a bit of a challenge as they are in CT and I'm in TX. Quite often when music plays on a program it is extremely loud. On their remote:
Press Menu, select Picture/Sound,Manual,Surround,Off,Exit
That all there is to it!
Enjoy
Originally posted by oryan_dunn
... this tv actually has 3 channel lists. One is the analog list, another is the digital antenna list, and the third is the digital cable list. With this tv, you can only have one of the digital lists active at any one time, but the tv will remember the channels, so you can change your tv from digital antenna to digital cable list, and it will remember the settings (this is useful if you use an a/b switch to switch between an antenna and your cable from the wall going into the digital port). ...
Ryan
I have an A-B switch installed for the digital RF input so this input can access digital cable and a rooftop antenna, but I haven't found a way to switch back and forth without having to rescan the channels each time whenever I change inputs.
Please explain to me how you do this.
Thanks,
TH
BlackwaterStout 11-06-04, 09:04 AM Yesterday was my first full day of watching HD programs. I have a few comments. I figured out why I couldn't get the local broadcast channels via clearQAM. The problem unfortunately for me is that the wiring in my walls are crap. I have an apartment thats about 12 years old and the wiring is very cheap. It's thin. I can't redily change or replace the wiring. I found the wiring to be the problem by connecting a 40 foot piece of heavy duty RG-6 directly from the splitter that comes into the apartment across my living room to the TV. After that a rescan of the digital tuner gave me the ClearQAM CBS, ABC, and NBC feeds. CBS/NBC show up as 1920x1080 (60i) while ABC shows up as 1280x720 (60p). The picture was incredibly good and I couldn't have asked for anything better. Anyway, back to my HD-DVR. It's connected to my TV via component 3. Through the STB I can get CBSHD, ABCHD, NBCHD, HDNET, ESPNHD, HDMOV, HBOHD, and INHD. There is however an issue. There is a very slight decrease in quality between the STB and the built in digital tuner. The STB HD pictures tend to suffer from very faint interferance of some type. I don't know if this is because of the component input or the STB itself. I tried both component inputs and also tried multiple cables. I didn't notice any interference via component with my DVD player (although admittedly not a progressive scan player). Anyway, it's very very faint and most of the time it's not noticable. I've only noticed it on the HD channels because the reception is so crystal clear that any anomoly shows up.
I doubt if my landlord would pay to rewire the place. Could be a royal PITA. I may need to try to rig up a line as discretly as possible from the access panel to the TV. I hate the thought of doing this, but I don't want to be without my HD monday night football. :)
oryan_dunn 11-06-04, 10:53 AM Originally posted by Teeh
I have an A-B switch installed for the digital RF input so this input can access digital cable and a rooftop antenna, but I haven't found a way to switch back and forth without having to rescan the channels each time whenever I change inputs.
Please explain to me how you do this.
Thanks,
TH
I'm sorry, I think I might have misspoke. I've been researching so many tv's and hd tuners, I think I was thinking of the LG tuner. But for some reason, I was thinking that someone in the old thread said this tv could do it. Unfortunately, I don't have time to look now, but you could do a search through that thread and see if anything comes up. I would test it at work, but all we have is a digital antenna, no digital cable to switch between.
is there a way to fix the tilt in the service menu?
Grateful11 11-06-04, 08:56 PM My first post. I'm seriously thinking about buying the 32" model tomorrow. I've searched and searched every where but I keep coming back to this unit. It will replace a 26" RCA Colortrak 2000 that is about 16 years old. It's been a great set with good sound because it has separate woofers and tweeters. The coax connector has a problem and we now have to tune through a VCR with the AV jacks. It will be passed down to our sons for their video games. Anyway I've read most of the threads on this unit and it sure sounds great. Has anyone bought the extended warranty available online only from WM? It's $40.52 for 3 years, sounds cheap enough. Boy buying a TV used to be simple but that's not the case anymore. Are there any other units near the price and size that I should consider?
Thanks,
Grateful11
PS: Can't post a link here to the warranty because I haven't made enough postings yet.
Originally posted by Grateful11
Boy buying a TV used to be simple but that's not the case anymore.
You ain't kiddin. Good luck with your purchase. I did not buy the extended warranty because my AmEx doubled the standard 1 year, but other people have posted in this thread about whether it's a good move or not. Search this thread and the other thread for "warranty" and see if you find useful info.
Update: ReplayTV issue fixed. I just run the cable from the wall to my RTV. If I want to record scrambled channels, I change input to S-Video in from my STB, but that has several disadvantages. I am just going to get another STB for input to my RTV so I can record all my channels (except HD, which I have no need to record on my RTV anyway.
Now I'm going to try hooking up the external antenna. This should be interesting.
My sincere thanks to oryan_dunn and n2lak for your very helpful responses to my posting concerning volume problems with my parents' HT32744. We made the adjustments per your recommendations and all is well! I can't begin to tell you how excited my parents are.
Grateful11 11-07-04, 08:50 PM Well we found one and got it hooked up just in time to see LOTR on WB in HD!!! I've got about 70-80% signal. I must say I'm very impressed. My wife is ecstatic. She can't wait to see Aragorn in HD. I can tell we have a slight geometry problem, the picture is slightly concave at the top and bottom. Is this going to be hard to adjust. Also the sound isn't quite up to DVD sound, may just be my settings, but I'm not sure. It connected to a Teac surround sound receiver running 2 channel to 2 large Klipsch speakers. We uncrated it at 7:45 and had it going by 8:05. I noticed the commercials are in a smaller 4:3 box is this normal? Sorry for all the questions, we're all very excited! Also our old roof antenna actually turned with the rotor that has been used in years and years.
Grateful11
PS: Just wait until I have time to tell you what we had to go through to find one.
Grateful11:
From what I understand, the commercials are in 4:3 format because they are not broadcast in HD like the shows, it's normal for them to be smaller.
jamesd3rd 11-07-04, 09:20 PM Does anyone know who makes the picture tube for the 30" Sanyo Widescreen??
BlackwaterStout 11-08-04, 05:19 AM I'm loving my set as well. My only issue so far is a slight geometry problem. My entire screen seems to be rotated counterclockwise about 1 degree asimuth. I didn't notice it until I spent sat and sunday watching football in high def. The score tickers on bottom of the screen are great indicators for screen geometry.
I haven't messed with the service menu yet, but does anyone know the adjustment that will rotate my screen clockwise a tick?
Everything would be peachy if I could only get my cable signal fixed. My ABCHD and NBCHD are weak signaled. Everything else is rock solid.
gordita 11-08-04, 01:17 PM can someone post/email me pics of a 30"WS showing a SD programming while the owner has a zoom feature (basically, I want to see how SD without black bars looks on this sanyo). ALL the walmarts that i have visited, none of them have the tv remote that I could tinker with and hence, I have no idea how SD will look on this screen. When I ask the walmart employees for the remote, they say they don't keep them since they walk-out pretty soon......:(
thanks
My programable remote worked well with my 32" sanyo however I would like to change some things. Are the remote codes in the service manual?? Does anyone know what they are? (can't get my remote's 'up' and 'down' to work in the TV's menus)
DJTommyR 11-08-04, 07:47 PM coomarlin, a lot of people on the board have the same rotation problem, but call it different things. Generally from what I've read and observed, you can't fix this yourself.
Of course, if I'm wrong, I would love for someone to say so and prove otherwise! Please!
Ever since I've noticed it--what I call a tilt problem--I have also seen it on sets at friends' homes, all the way up to high-end monitors at the television station where I work. Until I owned this set, I never noticed or cared.
I've heard it's either magnetic interference or something to do with the earth. Whatver it is, it's annoying as heck, but apparently a fact of life, to a point. I think wide screens in general magnify the problem, as do crawls on the news.
The base of my set is hidden by a trim on my TV stand, so I boosted the "low" side of the set by a fraction of an inch. Not that this makes it less noticeable, but it evens things out. :D
Bottom line, if that's the way it is, and not "a Sanyo thang," we still got a steal on an integrated HDTV.
Siege88 11-08-04, 07:57 PM Hi,
I'm new here... Just purchased the HT30744 a few days ago from Wal*Mart. I read about the adjustments in the service menu for tilt, and tried to fix a problem with it (stupid, I know) but I think I may have screwed up some of the settings in there. The Reset button on the remote seems to only reset the regular menu settings back to default. Is there a way to reset the Service Menu settings to Factory Default?
I looked at the service manual, and tried to go through the list and put each setting back to what it lists, but this is tedious and I'm not sure if it'll fix everything I may have changed. Is there a way to reset the tv completely (service menu settings and all) back to factory default?
Thanx a lot
Peter_Klim 11-08-04, 08:03 PM Originally posted by gordita
When I ask the walmart employees for the remote, they say they don't keep them since they walk-out pretty soon......:(
thanks
So they throw it away? :confused: They make alot of sense, huh?
Sounds like they are too lazy to get it for ya. I'm sure if you told them you wanted to buy it right there and then they would find it for ya...well, maybe not. They don't work on commission and it is Wal-mart.
But anyway, I don't have any means to send you a pic, but the zoom works realy well. sorry.
I'm sold, thanks for info. Getting zoom installed in the am. And a Sanyo 30" tonight. Merry Christmas. Hope it hooks to DVI connector on back of new Dell I just got..Ati Radeon card I think. Any help with what capabilities I have now? Like maybe recording and burning dvd's through this new interface..I'm very new to dvd tech. thanks again.
bleh345 11-08-04, 08:42 PM Bought the 30" WS a little over a month ago for $697 and just saw that they reduced it to $647. Would Wal-Mart refund me the difference or what is their policy on that?
bleh345:
I took my receipt to the service desk on the 28th day after purchase. They did a return-repurchase on paper to refund $50 plus tax. This may be good for up to 90 days.
TH
cplbeirs 11-09-04, 02:24 PM I bought my ht30744 last night at my local walmart got it home and set it up and holy Shazzbutt it looks better at home than it did at the store. the picture is great, and I am loving it. my only complaint is a slight geometery problem on the upper right side of the screen when in 4:3 mode but in 16:9 its not noticable.
However, if any of you all are in the milwaukee area try and stay away from the midtown walmart they are rude and incompetent, but they were the only ones in my area to have the TV so i was stuck.
upNdown 11-09-04, 03:20 PM Originally posted by jtd555
I'm sold, thanks for info. Getting zoom installed in the am.
You mean "Voom"?
finger11 11-09-04, 08:53 PM Has anyone figured out a solution to the snow problem ???
This is the 3rd one I've bought, and this and the first have the snow and the 2nd one didn't have a picture at all.
I think I might just give up on this model and wait till something else comes along. It's so aggrivating lugging this up to my room and back to Walmart all the time !!! :( :( :(
Originally posted by cplbeirs
I bought my ht30744 last night at my local walmart got it home and set it up and holy Shazzbutt it looks better at home than it did at the store. the picture is great, and I am loving it. my only complaint is a slight geometery problem on the upper right side of the screen when in 4:3 mode but in 16:9 its not noticable.
However, if any of you all are in the milwaukee area try and stay away from the midtown walmart they are rude and incompetent, but they were the only ones in my area to have the TV so i was stuck.
call the store and speak with the store manager and let then know how you feel. if you dont feel like your being listened to call the 800 # trust me they will make things right and the store wont be the same
oryan_dunn 11-09-04, 11:20 PM Yeah, a call to the 800 number usually gets things done. That goes fairly high up on the chain, and they don't like when people feel like they have to call, so they make things right.
cplbeirs 11-10-04, 06:15 AM I talked to a manager and she got things fixed up for me, but this is not the first time I have had problems at this walmart.
BlackwaterStout 11-10-04, 08:11 AM I've got a question about how to hook up certain components to the Sanyo. I bought a HTIB that is Dolby EX 6.1 and it has Optical sound input. Would it be best for me to hook all of my components to the TV (HD8000 STB via Component, DVD Via Component, and VCR via Composite) and then use the optical output on the TV and take it to the receiver's optical input?
Has anyone used this remote control? I'm particularly interested in how it handles cycling through the inputs. Are there discrete codes available?
thx for any info
Originally posted by coomarlin
I've got a question about how to hook up certain components to the Sanyo. I bought a HTIB that is Dolby EX 6.1 and it has Optical sound input. Would it be best for me to hook all of my components to the TV (HD8000 STB via Component, DVD Via Component, and VCR via Composite) and then use the optical output on the TV and take it to the receiver's optical input?
The Sanyo's optical audio output only plays audio received via its internal digital tuners. In other words, the optical audio jack outputs HDTV sounds only.
Any audio received through the Sanyo's analog L+R audio input jacks will output through the TV's speakers and its analog L+R output jacks, but not from the TV's optical audio jack.
If your HTIB has more than one digital audio input, run the DVD and STB directly to the HTIB's other digital audio inputs, otherwise you'll only be able to get analog audio via the TV.
TH
BlackwaterStout 11-10-04, 11:56 AM Originally posted by Teeh
The Sanyo's optical audio output only plays audio received via its internal digital tuners. In other words, the optical audio jack outputs HDTV sounds only.
Any audio received through the Sanyo's analog L+R audio input jacks will output through the TV's speakers and its analog L+R output jacks, but not from the TV's optical audio jack.
If your HTIB has more than one digital audio input, run the DVD and STB directly to the HTIB's other digital audio inputs, otherwise you'll only be able to get analog audio via the TV.
TH
Thanks for the info. My receiver has 1 coax input and 1 optical input. Since the DVD player is integrated with the receiver there is nothing to hook up there. I can hook my STB into the Coax Input (I think my STB has both coax and optical outs), and I can hook the Sanyo's into my receivers optical input. Although I'm not sure I'm even going to use the Digital ATSC tuner any time soon. Will that work?
Ok guys, after reading through this entire thread (and the old one) I am still torn between this Sanyo and the Panasonic CT-30WC14 that Sams Club sells for $768. I will mostly be using this set for DVD's and Xbox, so a built in HD tuner is not that big of a deal, but it certainly would be nice.
The only things that concern me about the Sanyo is the Static problems, Xbox glitches, and is it true that this TV just up converts everything to 1080i??
I am going to be making a purchase pretty soon, so any input would be greatly appreciated.
TrueDis 11-10-04, 04:41 PM Can someone who's bought this give me the dimensions of the box that it comes in? I want to make sure it'll fit in my car before I drive all the way to Wal-Mart.
Also, if anyone in SoCal knows where they have them, I'd appreciate knowing because on the Sanyo site it says they have them at the Supercenters, and the only one around here is way out East by Lake Elsinore. Anyway, I figure I'll call regular Wal-Marts around here to see if they have them, but I figued I might as well ask before I do. Thanks :-)
EDIT: Anybody know if this will accept VGA into the HDMI input via a VGA-DVI adapter and then a DVI-HDMI adapter (crazy, I know, but I'm hooked on my Dreamcast VGA box)
TrueDis:
The box for the 30" model is 39x27-1/2x27-1/2, width, depth, height.
TH
TrusDis:
People have mentioned that you can take the TV out of the box for transport home, if space is that tight. You don't need it to return the TV.
johnamus 11-10-04, 05:07 PM anyone have the dimensions for the 32 inch.
Im contemplating making the transport in my Eclipse w/ hatchback open, white trash style.
BlackwaterStout 11-10-04, 05:13 PM Originally posted by johnamus
anyone have the dimensions for the 32 inch.
Im contemplating making the transport in my Eclipse w/ hatchback open, white trash style.
LOL. That might be a tough hall even for a hatchback.
Amigo-2k 11-10-04, 06:21 PM size of 32" box:
HXWXL
31.5 x 27.5 x 39
niggenz 11-10-04, 06:22 PM I picked up the Sanyo 30" WS about 2 weeks ago and held off on playing Xbox on it until Halo 2 came out yesterday. Luckily, I purchased a GC with RE Zero while I was at Wally World and it held me over till yesterday =).
So, what are the issues with the Xbox and the Sanyo 30" WS? I see no problem at all. Halo 2 is awesome on this baby. It has been the first time that I have been able to use the Xbox's ability to render an anamorphic image on any TV and it didn't dissappoint in the slightest. Simply put, great game made greater by being played on a great TV.
On a side note, since RE Zero is a fairly dark game, I do notice faint snow on the analog inputs. This seems to be a problem with all the units analog inputs. But is only noticible on my set in the darkest of screens. Not a deal breaker IMHO. Face it guys, this is a breakthru product. There is nothing like it in its price class on the market. Some hiccups will need to be accepted. It will be another 2 years before we get a comparable unit that has all the must have features of HDTV that this TV doesn't have at this price (native 720p support, perfect geometry, no video noise on analog inputs, etc).
In the meantime, $700 out the door is not very much to ask.
niggenz 11-10-04, 06:32 PM Speaking of which, I think that the snow issue on the analog inputs is a result of the comb filter. Since the problem only occurs during the darkest of scenes or scene changes. Since I am feeding my unit only clean images from my game systems (GC, Xbox) and from my progressive scan Panasonic RP56 DVD player, I don't think there would be a need for comb filter.
Is there an option in the service menu to turn off the filter?
jamesd3rd 11-10-04, 08:01 PM There's still nobody that can tell me who makes the picture tube for the 30" HDTV? Or does Sanyo manufacture their own?
The March issue of Consumer Reports that reviewed Audio/Video equipment shows Sanyo as having a low repair/problem rate. That could just mean that not as many people buy Sanyos or very few owners filled out the questionnaire.
But I would still like to know who makes the tubes.
finger11 11-10-04, 08:37 PM Originally posted by niggenz
Speaking of which, I think that the snow issue on the analog inputs is a result of the comb filter. Since the problem only occurs during the darkest of scenes or scene changes. Since I am feeding my unit only clean images from my game systems (GC, Xbox) and from my progressive scan Panasonic RP56 DVD player, I don't think there would be a need for comb filter.
Is there an option in the service menu to turn off the filter?
FYI: I think the people who are getting the snow on the analog are also getting it on the digital inputs also. I know I am getting snow on both kinds of inputs on the units I had/have (s-video/component)
Just came back from Wal-Mart where they where playing a DVD (concert) split into 30 or so TVs and I compared the Sony KV27FS120 (analog 27'') and the Sanyo HT27744 (same as the 32'') and to my surprise the Sanyo was clearer than the Sony. I heard that an analog signal looked worst on an HDTV than on an analog TV. Now I bought the Sony 3 days ago, and I don't know if I should keep it or return it for the Sanyo (it's about 90$ difference). I find the color (silver finish) on the Sony to look better and they match my speakers more, but if the Sanyo is better quality, I'll go with that. I don't have HD yet (only analog cable for now) , but I do play alot of videogames and watch DVDs... So what should I do?
[i]I don't have HD yet (only analog cable for now)[/B]
This set has a built in HD tuner so as long a the stations in your area are broadcasting HD signals you should be able to pick them up with a $40 antenna :)
I’m going to pick this TV up tomorrow night hopefully and I will try to get a review in on it in the next few days. I will also take some PICTURES of the set. I love seeing actual pictures of peoples TV set ups, but I never saw a single one in the entire history of these Sanyo threads.
Mind sending me the pictures when you get it ZED? also, I will wait for your review, I love reading reviews before just to make sure =). I live in Canada and don't know where to check to see if I could get some HD channels, if anyone knows let me know.
As to the post about the comb filter causing "snow" problems, my understanding is if you use component, DVI, or even S-video inputs you are bypassing the comb filter. If this is so, then the comb filter is not the problem.
Grateful11 11-10-04, 11:19 PM Originally posted by TrueDis
Can someone who's bought this give me the dimensions of the box that it comes in? I want to make sure it'll fit in my car before I drive all the way to Wal-Mart.
Also, if anyone in SoCal knows where they have them, I'd appreciate knowing because on the Sanyo site it says they have them at the Supercenters, and the only one around here is way out East by Lake Elsinore. Anyway, I figure I'll call regular Wal-Marts around here to see if they have them, but I figued I might as well ask before I do. Thanks :-)
EDIT: Anybody know if this will accept VGA into the HDMI input via a VGA-DVI adapter and then a DVI-HDMI adapter (crazy, I know, but I'm hooked on my Dreamcast VGA box)
I know the box has to be laid on it's back to fit into an '04 Ford Explorer. It will go through the opening but it won't clear the ceiling where the 3rd row seat rises slightly. Also all seats had to be laid down. The box is very big and heavy. Try to have at least 3 people at home to help unload it. One thing that did fell out of the box when we rolled it over was a Sanyo DVD on setting up the set. I've read also every reply in this thread but I don't recall anyone mentioning it.
Grateful11
BTW: I'm even more impressed with the 32" set the more I mess with it. Some of the PBS shows in HD will blow you away! I've got a 12' 6" antenna to put up Sat. Yee Ha! Never thought I'd be excited about antennas again.
finger11 11-10-04, 11:47 PM Ok, so I was watching a taped recording on my Tivo tonight, hooked up to my 30" through component (dvd/tivo toshiba model) and noticed the snow/static on the recording.
But what I mean is the snow/static was on the actual TV feed that the Tivo recorded. If I paused the playback, the snow/static paused too. And these were regular bright screens, not dark and the static was was *very* obvious. (The show was Drawn Together)
I have my cable line going into the Tivo, then the Tivo connected to the TV with component cables.
So why would the snow/static be in the cable line directly connected to the Tivo? It seems it's only been documented that the TV itself shows the snow/static on dark scenes/images on DVDs. Maybe this isn't a TV issue in itself? Could it be the bad power *and* cable lines in our houses (for the people who are also having this problem)?? :confused:
:confused:
Can anyone that knows more about electronics explain this craziness???
Thanks...
BTW: For prospective buyers, the static isn't *that* noticable on DVD movies, but if the aspect ratio is 1:2.35 you will see it once the static/snow moves towards the top and then wraps back around towards the bottom of the screen, where the black bars will be.
That is very very odd....
Is all the coax cable in your house RG6??
ddenney 11-11-04, 01:17 AM I just bought the HT32744. I have local digital cable (Cox) connected to the digital Antenna In. Nothing connected to the UHF/VHF/CATV connector, and the cable box/DVR is plugged into the Video 1 S-Video connector.
My problem is even after I run the initial set up (which finds nothing since nothing is connected to the UHF/VHF/CATV port, and get the "Digital Cable Search" to find all of the ClearQAM High Def channels, the Initial Setup scan comes up every time I power on the TV. Any idea how I can stop this or why it is doing it?
oryan_dunn 11-11-04, 01:38 AM Originally posted by finger11
Ok, so I was watching a taped recording on my Tivo tonight, hooked up to my 30" through component (dvd/tivo toshiba model) and noticed the snow/static on the recording.
But what I mean is the snow/static was on the actual TV feed that the Tivo recorded. If I paused the playback, the snow/static paused too. And these were regular bright screens, not dark and the static was was *very* obvious. (The show was Drawn Together)
I have my cable line going into the Tivo, then the Tivo connected to the TV with component cables.
So why would the snow/static be in the cable line directly connected to the Tivo? It seems it's only been documented that the TV itself shows the snow/static on dark scenes/images on DVDs. Maybe this isn't a TV issue in itself? Could it be the bad power *and* cable lines in our houses (for the people who are also having this problem)?? :confused:
:confused:
Can anyone that knows more about electronics explain this craziness???
Thanks...
BTW: For prospective buyers, the static isn't *that* noticable on DVD movies, but if the aspect ratio is 1:2.35 you will see it once the static/snow moves towards the top and then wraps back around towards the bottom of the screen, where the black bars will be.
I know with the cable company where I live, the first group of channels, 2-78 or so, are all analog, even if you get "digital" cable. So it is quite possible for the signal itself to have snow, and often times it does. Our cable company has a horrible picture on our local channels; some are ghosted worse than a rabbit ears would produce, but otherwise the picture is good (ie. no static). But that is definitly a cable dependent issue. To double check, get a small tv and hook it into the same coax that you have running to the Sanyo. If the small tv has the same static patterns etc., then it is a cable issue and not a tv issue. The rolling static that you describe on DVDs reminds me of what a ground loop problem would do, although I do not know if that is the cause of your problem.
Ryan
DJTommyR 11-11-04, 01:51 AM Since a few of you have asked...
If a photo of my setup helps any of you picture how the 30" Sanyo would look in your own homes, then there you go. My photo editing programs wreak havoc on the wall when I try to make a decent file size, but you get the idea.
For what it's worth, that is a Sony TV stand circa 2001 designed to handle up to a standard 32" TV. I could not have asked for a better fit.
That antenna is the Zenith Silver Sensor, supposedly the best non-amplified UHF antenna you can buy. It worked better than others I tried, but it still can't beat cable service! So currently the antenna is just for show. Since this set is shorter than a standard TV, I needed to keep the antenna there to break up the red wall.
Believe it or not, I get compliments on the TV even when it's off! Forget LCD...there's still a lot to say about the form factor of direct-view! :cool:
DJTommyR 11-11-04, 02:03 AM ddenney, the set may INSIST on looking for analog channels since nothing is connected there. Try plugging in an old antenna or move your cable over there, just once, and see if it will find at least one analog channel, then quit searching forever. Just an idea.
there is one left at my Wal-Mart, but the box is pretty beat up, should I worry about that? Can it affect the TV?
I don't think there are any available HD channels in Canada using the over the air antena.
finger11 11-11-04, 08:53 AM Originally posted by oryan_dunn
The rolling static that you describe on DVDs reminds me of what a ground loop problem would do, although I do not know if that is the cause of your problem.
FYI: It is the *same exact* type of rolling static/snow that I got on the TIvo recording that some of us are getting on the analog/component inputs (ie. DVDs). That's why I'm confused.
One interesting fact is that I think the snow/static on the recording started once I had the TV on. What I mean is this:
I was recording on Tivo from 10-11pm. I started watching the 10-1030 recording at about 1045, and to tell you the truth about 15 mins into the 1030-1100 recording the static/snow was on the recording. Very weird...
Edit: Yea, like I mentioned it's the exact same kind of rolling static a lot of us are getting with this TV, so I've never noticed it on any other TV in this room before. Somehow the TV's static issue is also interferring with Tivo recordings :confused: ... yea, I got nothin.
johnamus 11-11-04, 12:36 PM seeing as how this set barely fits in an explorer, theres no way eclipse will handle this beast.
Does anyone know what home depot's policy is regarding their pick up trucks?
I saw a few in their parking lot for customer use. I wouldnt mind paying them a few bucks for use of the truck. My other option is renting a Uhaul, but that just seems like overkill. Why does everyone I know have to own a japanese car:rolleyes:
Amigo-2k 11-11-04, 12:49 PM You can rent a Home Depot truck by the hour. Before you do this get the wallyworld kids to get the TV down or out of the back room. I know when I bought mine it took them 1.5 hours to get the tv out of the back. They kept asking me. Do you really want it? Because it is really burried.
-Ryan
I was at home depot the other night and I think I remember seeing "$24 per hour" on the side of the trucks.
gordita 11-11-04, 01:01 PM Originally posted by johnamus
seeing as how this set barely fits in an explorer, theres no way eclipse will handle this beast.
Does anyone know what home depot's policy is regarding their pick up trucks?
I saw a few in their parking lot for customer use. I wouldnt mind paying them a few bucks for use of the truck. My other option is renting a Uhaul, but that just seems like overkill. Why does everyone I know have to own a japanese car:rolleyes:
you could always take the TV out of the box at wallyworld, put the tv on the passenger seat (vertically) and then collapse the box and put it in your trunk.
niggenz 11-11-04, 03:10 PM So regarding the snow. I dont get the snow on the NTSC or ATSC/QAM tuner inputs. I only get the snow on the analog inputs. And it is only appears on dark screens. When a scene brightens up, the snow is gone.
Question is this a problem with ground looping? Has anyone successfully resolved this?
cplbeirs 11-11-04, 03:48 PM hi all still loving my tv. I have my xbox hooked up to component 3 and I set up the xbox to output 480i 480p 720p and 1080i, and set the tv type for video to widescreen, now when i play halo 2 as with any other game it runs in 4:3 mode(pillarbox) is that standard, and when I blow the image up to full screen it cuts off some of the image is it espcially on the left side it seems. is that how it is supposed to work?
wow 1.5 hours to get the TV it took them like 45 minutes at mine, and that was becasue they kept confusing it with a phillips 30"
finger11 11-11-04, 05:07 PM Originally posted by niggenz
So regarding the snow. I dont get the snow on the NTSC or ATSC/QAM tuner inputs. I only get the snow on the analog inputs. And it is only appears on dark screens. When a scene brightens up, the snow is gone.
Question is this a problem with ground looping? Has anyone successfully resolved this?
have you tried the component/dvi inputs? also if you have a dvd player hooked w/ component/dvi play a 1:2.35 movie and see if the snow moves towards the top and wraps around the bottom of the black bars...
niggenz 11-11-04, 06:38 PM The snow appears as faint band about 1/3 of the way up the bottom of the screen. It only appears in full black or almost full black scenes/screens. As for component, yes I have tried it. Again, it appears only on the analog inputs, which is what component is. Currently I have a GC hooked to video 1, prog scan panasonic DVD player hooked up to component 3, and the Xbox hooked up via component on component 3. No HDMI->DVI cable yet, so I can't hook it up to the PC just yet. When playing the GC window-boxed, as a scene fades to black, the snow appears even onto the window box area. Same for DVD when watching 4x3 material.
If this is common, than I can accept it, as it isn't really that big of a deal. But if there are units out there that do not exhibit this behavior, I will be more than willing to return it to Wally World.
-niggenz
There were earlier posts concerning a situation that is best evidenced while displaying a bright white test pattern across the screen; where the left side of the screen shows the pattern with a blueish tint, the central area as near white and the right side with a yellowish tint. In a presumably severe case, a member had a Sanyo tech to take a look and it was quickly determined that the picture tube was defective and was to be replaced.
In my case, the 30" set has a faint yellowish-brown 3-inch wide vertical bar that appears in any bright white display and that runs from about an inch from the bottom upward to about 2/3 screen height and reaches rightwards to about an inch from the right edge of the screen. I noticed this when I got the set over a month ago and while displaying test patterns for tweaking the set. My set displays these even when the contrast bar is less than 1/4 from the left when a 90-100 IRE pattern is displayed, but it worsens if the contrast is set higher. After I finished tweaking the set and started enjoying it, I can't help but notice any bright white object displayed near the right side is yellowish-brown. It's beginning to bother me more and more. If you can't see this, please don't look for it!! Else, you won't be as happy again!!
Other members have reported that magnetic interference from nearby speakers or in-wall wiring or fixtures may be the cause, but I've eliminated these. Also, I don't recall anyone positively identifying these as actual causes.
I've had two other HDTVs this year and returned them for other reasons, but I'm positive that they had much better color uniformity than this TV. Whereas I don't expect any type of video display to be completely uniform in color throughout its area, I'd like to know how my Sanyo HT30744 stacks up against other HT30744s. Actually, looking very closely at a full-screen 100 IRE test pattern (DVE), the yellowing continues to almost the center of the screen, where a much fainter bluing takes over and slightly intensifies toward the left edge of the screen, but the bluing doesn't bother me at all, yet.
If anyone has had the same problem and has found a cure, please let me know.
TH
Amigo-2k 11-11-04, 10:26 PM Photo of My tv (http://gallery.avsforum.com/showphoto.php?photo=10981&size=big&sort=1&cat=500)
upNdown 11-12-04, 10:30 AM Originally posted by gordita
you could always take the TV out of the box at wallyworld, put the tv on the passenger seat (vertically) and then collapse the box and put it in your trunk.
True, but you better have a couple of people to help you. It's not just the size, its the weight. The 32 inch set weight close to 150 lbs. Me and my father had enough trouble just getting it into the entertainment center - I can't imagine trying to stuff it in the passenger seat of anything.
My opinion is that if you try to get this TV into anything besides a pickup truck or full size cargo van, you're crazy. As noted before, Home Depot rents trucks for abotu $20 per hour. Save yourself a headache and do that. This thing is so big and heavy that once we got the box out of the truck, we decided the best way to get it into the house was to roll the box end over end. Worked fine.
Oh, and my 32 inch set did not come with any setup DVD as another poster mentioned.
TrueDis 11-12-04, 12:06 PM Sorry to post this again, I fear that it got lost by editing it into my previous post:
Anybody know if this will accept VGA into the HDMI input via a VGA-DVI adapter and then a DVI-HDMI adapter (crazy, I know, but I'm hooked on my Dreamcast VGA box)
Also, if anyone in SoCal knows which Wal-Marts have them, I'd appreciate knowing because on the Sanyo site it says they have them at the Supercenters, and the only one around here is way out East by Lake Elsinore. Anyway, I guess I'll call regular Wal-Marts around here to see if they have them, but I figued I might as well ask before I do. Thanks :-)
feltted 11-12-04, 01:21 PM I found mine at the walmart in the city of Orange. This is in central Orange County off the 55 freeway.
DJTommyR 11-12-04, 02:35 PM The 30" is also a big, heavy sucker, box or not. It does fit into an Xterra, but it's definitely a two person job to lift or carry it, no way around that.
If this inspires you, it CAN be carried up a flight of stairs in the box with minimal injuries.
Once you get it out of the box, you will notice--you've been warned--that this set is EXTREMELY front-heavy!
I made a deal with a friend to help me carry it up and put it on the stand, and I would sell him my old set at a huge loss for his trouble. We got the old one out and new one in, and I helped him set up my old TV as well. Fair enough deal for everyone.
Peter_Klim 11-12-04, 08:04 PM Originally posted by upNdown
As noted before, Home Depot rents trucks for abotu $20 per hour. .
An Hour??? That's insance.
But if the store is close, rent a small pickup type U-haul truck by the day- $20 (plus it's 99 cents a mile).
http://reservations.uhaul.com/
oryan_dunn 11-12-04, 08:19 PM Originally posted by DJTommyR
-you've been warned--that this set is EXTREMELY front-heavy!
Pretty much every CRT is front heavy. If you start with that knowledge, then planning on how to move the set will be easier. Almost all TV boxes have the front labeled on the top and front/sides. While on the subject of tv weight, at work i've found that many people think that plasma tv's must be really light to be able to hang them on the wall. Most are supprised to learn that they are infact relatively heavy, given their size. A plasma 42" with a wall mount kit can easily weight over 125lbs.
If anyone could help me out quickly.. I need to know if anyone fixed the Xbox and green lines problem yet? What about the tilt correction? I want to buy this TV but need to know about this first since I will be using it mainly for Xbox, DVDs (PS2) and regular cable? Is this TV good for my needs or should I stick to analog?
Ev01vEd 11-13-04, 12:03 AM I hooked up an antenna to get the local HDTV channels. I am able to get ABC, FOX, and UPN.
However I can't pick up NBC and CBS. My other HDTV picks these channels up fine and I know what the channel number is.
The Sanyo only seems to let you search and list the channels it finds. You cant enter the channel like 3-1. There also is no ( - dash ) button.
How can I enter a digital channel number manually so I can adjust the signal strength?
Thanks.
oryan_dunn 11-13-04, 01:44 AM Unfortunately, I think there is no way to do that. It is a shortcomming of the tv.
mrpergo 11-13-04, 07:21 AM To manually enter a channel number make sure your on digital channel input then just punch in the first two numbers or first number depending on the station. If you want channel 33.1 enter 33 and it will go to 33.1 ect.
you have to use the up & down channel to get the sub stations.(33.2 or 33.3)
Also works the same on analog or other inputs.
Benjamin.D 11-13-04, 10:06 AM Can the 32' zoom in on HD (or Digital signals) without losing resolution? Not that I'm going to crop HD, of course, but for windowboxed SD programming.
Ben
oryan_dunn 11-13-04, 10:28 AM Originally posted by mrpergo
To manually enter a channel number make sure your on digital channel input then just punch in the first two numbers or first number depending on the station. If you want channel 33.1 enter 33 and it will go to 33.1 ect.
you have to use the up & down channel to get the sub stations.(33.2 or 33.3)
Also works the same on analog or other inputs.
That will work if the channel is already in the digital channel list, but if the channel was to week to find, then when you punch in that number, it will just jump to the nearest channel in the database. If this is not how yours works and it allows you to enter in a channel number on the digital tuner that isn't in the digital channel list, then you must have a newer version of the software or something. And if that is the case, I wonder if there is anyway sanyo could give updates?
Originally posted by cplbeirs
hi all still loving my tv. I have my xbox hooked up to component 3 and I set up the xbox to output 480i 480p 720p and 1080i, and set the tv type for video to widescreen, now when i play halo 2 as with any other game it runs in 4:3 mode(pillarbox) is that standard, and when I blow the image up to full screen it cuts off some of the image is it espcially on the left side it seems. is that how it is supposed to work?
That appears to be a Halo 2 issue: link (http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=1015179)
"4. What Digital resolution will my television display?
It will display 480i /480p / 720p / 1080i depending on the broadcasting station. Press the INFO key on the remote control to determine the resolution being received."
LINK :
http://www.sanyo.com/entertainment/televisions/faqs_digitaltv.cfm#4
does this mean these TVs can display 720p?
johnamus 11-13-04, 02:12 PM Yeah
It will accept a 720p signal and convert it to 1080i.
You wont see a true 720p signal on this set, but from my understanding the 1080i that it converts to is visually similar.
Well after looking at the Sanyo 30' at Wall-Mart the on Thursday night, I decided NOT to buy this TV.
This set as some serious geometry issues. I also went to check out the "static on component inputs" and sure enough, the static was there.
So after reading about all the little glitches the Sano has, on Friday I purchased a Sony KV-30HS420 instead. I got a great deal on it (list is $999 and I purchased it for $855 with coupons/sale price)
I think the Sanyo is and OK TV and a great value, but it just does not compare to the Sony performance wise.
tgray2k 11-14-04, 04:15 PM What I am picking up on are four things:
1. These units apparently have "geometry issues". In other words, the yoke on the back of their CRT has become twisted. This typically happens when a big screen is being MOVED incorrectly (set down too hard). For example, someone posted this and the blood drained out of my head:
"This thing is so big and heavy that once we got the box out of the truck, we decided the best way to get it into the house was to roll the box end over end."
I would assume that the stockers at Walmart and some of the other people here reporting "geometry issues" are equally ignorant of how big-screen CRTs are designed. The only way to correct this after the yoke has been shifted like that is to call a TV repairman to come out and re-align the 50kVA coil.
2. Many people here seem unaware that 720p is not designed to be displayed on any CRT-based device. A CRT is inherently an analog device, unlike LCD. A CRT's electron guns are sweeping from left to right, from top to bottom at a fixed frequency and this process simply cannot handle 720p very efficiently, regardless of vendor. LCDs are ideal for 720p. Plasma and DLP are hybrid analog/digital technologies that may or may not properly handle 720p, depending on how they are implemented. Of course the problem with LCDs is that they typically can't show black very well (because they are backlit) and the problem with Plasma is that they burn out after 50,000 hours ($6/hr to watch TV!) and DLP is still rather expensive.
3. Many people here have reported picture quality symptoms that could be attributable to poor RF (radio frequency) shielding and cheap component-video connectors. This seems all too typical of Chinese produced products.
4. The on-board software on this unit apparently does not let people channel-surf with some of the channels coming from the Over The Air (OTA) digital tuner and others being assigned to the Coaxial analog tuner. What's the point of a TV that does not let you channel-surf properly? Apparently Sanyo's customers are forced to enter OTA digital mode to view digital channels and enter Coaxial analog mode to view their standard CATV channels (sort of the way Microsoft thinks vs. the way Apple thinks). One solution would be to use an external digital tuner (perhaps from cable, satellite or USDTV.com), but the problems of (3) come about.
Thus, in the end, buying this TV is like lighting $300-$500 on fire. For $300-$500 less, you can get a 36" analog TV, probably made in the same Chinese factory. If you really want HD, there is an HDTV card for your PC (or an external HD-tuner) that costs $200 and there are LCD/DLP-based projectors for under $1000 now. In the end, consider that Social Security will be bankrupt soon and you must have 15 times your annual earnings saved before retirement or you will lose your freedom (or worse). Are you going to look back and remember the days when you were buying "wanna-be" Chinese HDTVs and blowing big bucks on expensive cables? If you can't afford a real (LCD-based) HDTV, stay analog and send $20 of the difference to your local food bank (before 11/24) and put that other $280-$480 into your Roth IRA (or toward opening one). I put this financial stuff in my post because this is apparently a Walmart-only product that appears to sacrifice quality for price, a hallmark of Walmart merchandise. If you are buying staples (clothing, consumables, etc..), it may be acceptable to sacrifice quality for price, but for big ticket items such as HDTVs, home appliances, furniture, sports equipment, auto parts, etc.. you will usually wind up losing in the end.
orion7144 11-14-04, 08:18 PM I think that last post is a bunch of BS!
This is the best bang for your buck < 36" HDTV. I do not see any of the symptoms "SOME" of the people are reporting. Yes maybe some nimrod dropped or handled their TV incorrectly but like any other forum out there it is for people to find answeres to problems. Any other forum topic on this board has "SOME" people complaining about their TV, whether it be Sony or Apex. People are not throwing away their money we just live on a budget that only enabled us to get a CRT based HDTV.
As I sit here typing this after just watching my first NFL game on HDTV Fox and not seeing any problems I know I got a bargain. My Sanyo is NOT my main TV, it is a master bedroom TV. So this will tide me over till my 5 year old Sony 61" dies (than it is DLP time).
So all you people out there that are hesitant about this TV and are on a limited budget My recommendation is go for it.
Back to my heavenly HDTV viewing.
BTW I do have an HTPC that has one of those fancy HDTV cards. Well lets just say it is not being used on the Sanyo since I can pick up more channels without it.
oryan_dunn 11-14-04, 08:21 PM Recognize tgray2k's thread for what it is, troll bait, and read it with that mindset. It will make more sense that way. Some things he said are true, others are plain wrong. I'd write up a longer response, but I've got much to much homework tonight to do that.
orion7144 11-14-04, 08:31 PM Back on topic, as I stated in my last post I am in HDTV heaven since yesterday.
I picked up my 32" yesterday and me and my 125lb wife were able to lift it onto our stand without much trouble (shoot its only 150lbs). I was able to unloaded it from my SUV onto a skateboard and wheel it to the front door then it was just pushing it to its location to be unboxed.
Sure channel surfing takes a little getting used to but once you figure out some shortcuts its like any other thing you get new and have to figure it out.
There is no other TV I would have bought +/- $200 that can compare to this.
I have hooked up the kids Xbox and did not see any problems (It is one of the first ones made).
A note on the Wallmart policy for these TV's.
1. Yes it has the 90 satisfaction guaranty
2. Yes it has a 1 year warranty through Wallmart, However after the 90 days Walmart will send the TV out for repair and you pick it up when it is fixed. The manager where I bought it said more than likely they would just give me credit towards a new one than deal with the repair but said that would be a store to store decision.
orion7144 11-14-04, 08:33 PM Originally posted by oryan_dunn
Recognize tgray2k's thread for what it is, troll bait, and read it with that mindset. It will make more sense that way. Some things he said are true, others are plain wrong. I'd write up a longer response, but I've got much to much homework tonight to do that.
Shoot if would not have been so pissed I would have seen that he only had 1 post and that was it. I wouldn't have wasted my time.
finger11 11-14-04, 11:25 PM Another note on the static. It now only sometimes shows on the component inputs *and* on analog TV channels. When it does show on the analog cable tv stations; only on some stations will the static/snow show up (hooked up another tv to the line and it was fine). Very weird still.
upNdown 11-15-04, 12:44 PM Originally posted by tgray2k
What I am picking up on are four things:
1. These units apparently have "geometry issues". In other words, the yoke on the back of their CRT has become twisted. This typically happens when a big screen is being MOVED incorrectly (set down too hard). For example, someone posted this and the blood drained out of my head:
"This thing is so big and heavy that once we got the box out of the truck, we decided the best way to get it into the house was to roll the box end over end."
I put this financial stuff in my post because this is apparently a Walmart-only product that appears to sacrifice quality for price, a hallmark of Walmart merchandise.
That was me Tgray2k. I rolled my TV. Is the blood draining from your head again? Don't go losing any sleep on my account. My 32" has no noticible geometry issues. I doubt it has perfect geometry, but it is my TV, and since I don't notice any problems - then are no problems.
As far as Walmart merchandise goes, I can only speak to this TV, as I usually don't buy anything at Wallmart. Clearly, compromises have to be made for an HDTV to be sold at this pricepoint. As far as I can tell, these compromises have been made at the expense of FEATURES, not QUALITY. And for my money, these compromises are just fine.
I "very carefully" rolled my TV, still in the box, and it came out fine.
People reading this forum that are still shopping, remember this:
The BEST PRODUCT in the world (whatever it is) , will have some site on the internet where people hate it, and the WORST product in the world, you can find some people that absolutely love it, so remember this when evaluating and researching your purchase.
I have been very happy with mine, and plan to purchase a 50 inch plasma in the next year or so, and will move this TV to the bedroom.
ksoutheard 11-15-04, 01:45 PM hey guys great job on these tv's ....i decided to get the 30" widescreen & and loving it so far. but i have a question
ive my ps2 on video 1 and hooked up through s-video cable...ive set it up for the 16:9 screen but when i play a dvd movie its not covering the whole screen and i was wandering if theirs anything that im missing.
thanx for any help you can give :)
oryan_dunn 11-15-04, 02:06 PM Originally posted by ksoutheard
hey guys great job on these tv's ....i decided to get the 30" widescreen & and loving it so far. but i have a question
ive my ps2 on video 1 and hooked up through s-video cable...ive set it up for the 16:9 screen but when i play a dvd movie its not covering the whole screen and i was wandering if theirs anything that im missing.
thanx for any help you can give :)
That setting is only for games on the ps2. You have to put in a dvd movie, start the movie and then press stop. Now push the select key on the remote to bring up the dvd settings, then go to "setup" then to video. In there there is a setting for tv type. Set this to 16:9 and you should be good to go.
ksoutheard 11-15-04, 03:48 PM ok i made it to where the 4:3 is on the menu but i hit every button on the remote and it wont bring up the 16:9 option ...anything else i should do to bring up the 16:9 option?
thanx alot again lol
oryan_dunn 11-15-04, 07:05 PM Originally posted by ksoutheard
ok i made it to where the 4:3 is on the menu but i hit every button on the remote and it wont bring up the 16:9 option ...anything else i should do to bring up the 16:9 option?
thanx alot again lol
Its squirly. You need to put in a movie and start the actual movie, then press stop, so that you get a black screen. From there, press select then "setup" then video. The option should be unlocked and be changeable (if it is in white, then it is locked; blue means that you can select it and change it). Then to make sure the change stays, you have to eject the disk first, then turn it off. It took me a while to figure out how to change it the first time i needed to.
ksoutheard 11-15-04, 07:46 PM ok ive got it changed to 16:9 but the movies still arent filling up the whole screen :(
got anymore help? lol
oryan_dunn 11-15-04, 08:07 PM Make sure you have your tv set to full and the dvd is an anamorphic widescreen (Enhanced 16:9)
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