A new thread for anyone interested in sharing information about the Sanyo 32" and 30" HD televisions. Please, no political, marketing, or otherwise off-topics posts. The purpose of this thread to inform potential buyers of the good and bad as well as for current owners to discuss problems and solutions and to post honest, objective reviews. You can find 67 pages (1339 posts) on these sets in the original master thread which was apparently locked due to reasons I won't go into...but if you read the last page or two I'm sure you'll figure it out.

Original thread: Incredible new Sanyo 32" Flat Screen HDTV (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=395229&perpage=20&pagenumber=1)

TheTonik- If you're out there, I'm replying to your post from the original thread about the green bands when watching DVDs through your Xbox.

You said:

1. Im using Monster component cables.
2. My DVD player is my Xbox
3. I pre-ordered a Samsung DVD player (DVD-HD941) that will be released (hopefully) this week, and I will be connecting it to the tv via HDMI. Think that will solve the problem?

Seems strange to me that you only get the green bands when playing a DVD even though you use the same unit and component connection to game. Have you tried an s-video connection to see if the problem goes away? I'd also try different component cables...and also any settings on the Xbox that might change the output.

The Sammy HD941 should be a very nice DVD player...but it looks like you'll be the first to try it wit the Sanyo...report back on your results.

I didn't find out about this set due to this board but it certainly made my choice in buying it. I walked into Super Walmart and saw all the HD sets and this one just popped out at me. Then I looked at the price and thought it was pretty good until I found it had an onboard tuner and I was stoked. I did a little research and found this site and read through the "monster" thread and it was a sealed deal. I even mentioned it to a buddy and he bought one too.

Anyway I've had it a few days now and I'm in no way an videophile but I know a little. I don't have any HD programming. I'm on DirecTV and I"m not sure about going that way. I live about 50 from a TV market so I'm assuming I'll need a fairly good antenna to receive it.

I have my DirecTV Tivo hooked to the TV with composite cables. I wanted to use S-Video (no component on the D Tivo) but it looks like poop. Through the RCA it's stellar. Any ideas why? The cable is the one that came with the D Tivo but I find it hard to believe it's that poor.

I do have my DVD player hooked through component video but it's not progressive scan so I'm sure it would be better, correct? It (DVD) is unbelievable! I'd be hard pressed to think it could get any better. Yes or no?

My Directv channels are wonderful (even if they're not HD).

So I guess I have some questions. One is there something I could try that I'm not doing to get a better picture using S-Video on the DirecTV Tivo? Secondly would I really gain by getting a PS DVD player? Also I have a couple of questions I haven't addressed. Picture size. Is Normal only a 4:3? Or does normal mean whatever the native display of the signal is? I assume it's only a 4:3. I put a DVD in and it shows as 4:3 in this setting even if my DVD player is set to 16:9 and the movie is widescreen. I would also assume that to view DVD's I need it in Full correct? The other is are anamorphic DVD's the only ones that will actually fill the screen? I'm asking about the 30" widescreen model of course.

Well that's about it. All in all I'm very happy with this TV. It's my first HDTV and I doubt I would have gone that route if it weren't for this set. I really don't know much about HDTV but I've learned a lot here reading through everything. Thanks to everyone here. I'm pretty excited about getting OTA HD........except putting up an ugly antenna that I thought was a thing of the past:eek:

TH3_FRB, thanks for starting this thread!

I have read all the posts from the other thread concerning the Sanyo HT 30744/32744. I have the HT30744 and find it to be a decent deal. However, it does have one flaw. There is a tilt issue. My screen is tilted towards the left and is very obvious especially when watching letter-box. I know that in the initial thread there was no way to correct tilt, at least in the service menu. I was just hoping that all of our options for correcting tilt issues were exhausted. I don't want to return my set if there is a fix for the tilt out there.

ghoulie

Check page 17 in the service manual provided by Strickland and see if your screen tilting problem is actually one of the pincushion problems which can be corrected through service menu. Tilting as in one side of the screen is noticeably higher than the other is very unusual. May be it is the AFC angle pincushion problem.

Seems as though the tilt issue only effects the 30". I know there are minor geometry issues with the 32" but those are really inconsequential...you only see it when you have 4:3 upconverted content in letterbox mode and the pillar bars on the side show a very slight wave...once you zoom to full-screen the edges are no longer visible. You might want to consider exchanging the 30" for the 32"...you get virtually the same size 16:9 picture and a larger 4:3 picture...all you lose is the cool factor of a widescreen.

I have a question about these TV's, that I can't find an answer to (i may have missed something in the extrordinarily long original post)

I am leaning toward the 32 inch model because
"With regular broadcasts a 30" WS TV was equivalent to a 24" or so TV.
With widescreen broadcasts a 32" is equivalent to a 29" TV so you do not lose that much. "

over 80% of my watching is normal, analogue cable, so the 32 inch seems like a better option.

So I actually get to my REAL question:

I plan on attaching the 32 inch to my HTPC via a DVI - HDMI converter cable. Since HDTV signals are meant for widescreen, will the image -
a) leave black bands above below the picture while viewing signals from my HTPC
b) Distort the image/ stretch it to fit
c) Just send a high resolution 4:3 signal over the HDMI connector (is this possible?)
d) You forgot something - here's a better solution.

The image on your set fed through DVI from your HTPC will be in whatever aspect ratio your content is...the same as on your computer monitor. True HD and widescreen DVD content will give black bars top and bottom. If you're sending HD OTA broadcasts from an HD tuner card then you'll get 16:9 on your television...same with widescreen DVD (although it could be 2.35:1 or 1.85:1). If you are watching a 4:3 DVD from your computer then you'll have a 4:3 picture on the tv. If you're just surfing the web, you'll have the same 4:3 picture you would on your computer monitor.

Just purchased a Sanyo 32744. The picture is absolutely gorgeous, especially on HD OTA. I did notice on the HD OTA channels that the screen is bowed inward ever so slightly on the top and bottom of the 16x9 picture. If this is an easy thing to fix I would attempt to do it, but the newer TVs just dont have the screws in the back like the old ones did!!! (lol) Ive read about getting in to the service menu to fix problems like this but wouldnt want to try unless I had specific manual or instructions to follow. Again, it is ever so slight, but if I could perfect it.....

The optical digital audio output on the back is great for feeding sound to my receiver. Makes the Olympics come to life!! Very satisfied with this TV for the price and its features. My wife even liked it, and she mostly could care less about av stuff. The 4:3 format is great for the dish and old Winnie the Pooh videos the kids have, plus the added bonus of being able to have a HiDef picture about the same as a 30" wide screen. A great compromise and all I had to do was modify my entertainment center slightly!! Overall, a GREAT value for a TV.

OH, Ive notice that since this forum changed names, that a lot of posters have been lost. Hope they come back and we can glean info from them about this great TV. I know I read all the posts when I was considering the purchase of this unit and it convinced me I was making the right decision!!

dakguy:

Your geometry problem is classic pincushion problem. But because you do anything, lower the brightness and contrast/Brightness/sharpness to around 40%/60%/20%. That alone should fix big part of the pincushion problem.

Download graystrickland's Sanyo Service Manual (link is in the other BIG thread) and check page 17 in the manual to identify the actual type of pincushion problem, then do the adjustment. I did mime in less than 2 mintues by eyeballing.



http://www.slf.us/sanyo.pdf (manual here)

http://www.slf.us/sanyo_servicemanual_page5.pdf easier to read page 5

Here are a few bits from the original thread that might be helpful to folks.

Specs:
Integrated HD Tuner w/ QAM (Page 17 of the manual)
HDMI input
2 Component Inputs
2 S-Video/AV inputs
1 Optical Audio Out
1 Analog audio out
2 Tuner PIP
Analog tuner for cable
3D Y/C Comb Filter

Sanyo HT32744: http://www.sanyo.com/entertainment/televisions/digital/index.cfm?productID=905

Sanyo HT30744: http://www.sanyo.com/entertainment/televisions/digital/index.cfm?productID=904

Owner's manual: http://www.sanyo.com/entertainment/televisions/digital/downloads/HT30744_4417.pdf

Sercive manual: http://hinome.net/images/sanyo.pdf

Originally posted by TH3_FRB
The image on your set fed through DVI from your HTPC will be in whatever aspect ratio your content is...the same as on your computer monitor. True HD and widescreen DVD content will give black bars top and bottom. If you're sending HD OTA broadcasts from an HD tuner card then you'll get 16:9 on your television...same with widescreen DVD (although it could be 2.35:1 or 1.85:1). If you are watching a 4:3 DVD from your computer then you'll have a 4:3 picture on the tv. If you're just surfing the web, you'll have the same 4:3 picture you would on your computer monitor.

so coming from my HTPC will I be able to send an 800x600 or 1024x768 resolution to this TV? or am I stuck with 480i??

I am trying to configure my GeForce4 Ti4200 correctly to connect to my HT32744 via a DVI-HDMI cable. Everything works except that I don't really know what values to use for the VertRefresh and HorizSync.

Am I right in assuming the Vertical Refresh should 59.94?
I can't find anywhere in the service manual what range of values is acceptable for this. All computer monitor manuals have this info. (Not that it matters much any more as it is usually probed.)

If you haven't guessed yet, I'm using linux (and hence XFree86.) The refresh and sync values aren't strictly required (it assumes a HorizSync of 15.00-46.00kHz and a VertRefresh of 59.00-61.00Hz.) However, these values restrict which "modes" are valid so I'm wondering if I'd have more options (possibly fewer of course) if I really knew what ranges were valid for this unit.

Hopefully I just missed it in the manual and someone can point it out to me.

Thanks,
Aran

Originally posted by teststrips
so coming from my HTPC will I be able to send an 800x600 or 1024x768 resolution to this TV? or am I stuck with 480i??

I'm not quite sure how you got that out of the post you quoted but the aspect ratio has little or nothing to do with the resolution of the display.

I currently am setup to send 1280x720 (720p) to my HT32744 through a DVI-HDMI cable from my GeForce4 Ti4200 card. There may be better options and I'm still tinkering with it. The interesting this is that because the resolution used is 16:9 in aspect but the physical display is 4:3. This means that I had explicitly tell the software I use (MythTV) not to pillarbox standard 4:3 material. I think it assumed that because the pixel ratio was 16:9 that the display must also be 16:9.

You may not be able to get "standard" pc resolutions to work though. In general you're better off sending something like a standard HDTV resolution.

In other words, you're not stuck with 480i, unless you're using the standard composite inputs of course!

Hi guys! It's a good idea to start this new thread, TH3_FRB. I have a question for all on this great TV set. I just moved to Orlando, and am about to get Time Warner Cable (through Bright House Cable) and was wondering if Time Warner will be providing component input or DVI cables or do I have to buy them myself?
Is there a discernable difference between a signal by DVI or Component cables? Thanks.

Buzzly:

Thanks for the info. Is there a link for the 32"? The link is for the 30" widescreen and the bow info is completely opposite of what it would be for the 32". Thanks!!

Unfortunely the 32" service manual is not available. I was assuming the "NO. ITEM"-- 11A, 11D, 11F, 120, 11B, 11C would be the same for both the 30" and 32".

Also, it is well documented that the default brightness and sharpness are too high, causing bowing on the edge of the screen. Try to lower that first.
BTW, if you know "the bow info" is completely opposite, can you still adjust it accordingly?


Originally posted by dakguy
Buzzly:

Thanks for the info. Is there a link for the 32"? The link is for the 30" widescreen and the bow info is completely opposite of what it would be for the 32". Thanks!!

I hope I'm in the minority when it comes to my experience with the HT30744. I went and bought it last night at Walmart, set it up and then a huge disappointment: the TV won't even power up. I could hear a click when I press the power button but nothing else. I promptly returned the set and now my confidence in this set has been shattered. This TV was going to be a replacement for a 32" Sanyo that died after 4 years of service, which is not exactly the best testimony for reliability.

Great TV, I am a comcast customer and the built-in tuner is picking up a couple of channels without a STB. Only proble is, there is a tremendous audio delay. Anyway to fix this, or is this only solved with the STB?

Thanks

I am very happy with my 30", a breakthrough product as far as I'm concerned.

I have been looking for a small HDTV. This looks like it will fit the bill. I had a hard time spending too much money.

-Old7

I'm still debating between the 30" and 32" - what is the general consensus on the fill-screen modes for 4:3 content on the 16:9? I am not a fan of stretched images, so the "full" mode is probably out, but how are the other two zooms?

Secondly, I was told that the widescreen has a 16:9 native display, but the 4:3 will have to downconvert to display the same image, and quality will be lost. But, it is my impression that the 4:3 has vertical compression, thus making the difference between the 30" and 32" only a matter of preference?

I do not know how much HD content I will be able to pick up (with either OTA or through cable), and I do watch quite a bit of SD analog channels now. On the other hand, I also watch movies fairly often, so I'm still torn between which set to buy.

There were some posts on the other thread regarding a few of these issues, but they were never really addressed completely. What are your thoughts on these things? Thanks!

This might help;
http://www.cavecreations.com/tv2.cgi

Only you can decide 4x3 or 16x9.

I have the 30"WS model and have a question. I have a outdoor UHF on the digital input. I also have DirecTV and I'm using it on Video 1. For some reason the S-Video is terrible compared to the composite. Any ideas why? Would I be better served using coax and going to the analog input?

Thanks,
Joel

[QUOTE]Originally posted by buzzly
[B]Unfortunely the 32" service manual is not available...

Actually, a service manual is available for just shy of $30 shipped from PacParts (can't give url, but just enter com after name). I was not given permission to scan and post the manual unfortunately.

So far, I am very happy with my 32" version. Much better SD picture than on any of the lcd or dlp rptv's I've seen at the stores and HD content is truly amazing after I adjusted things using the Avia calibration dvd. Just ordered the Zenith DVB318. Anyone hooked one of these up via a DVI to HDMI cable, and if so, is it as good as via component? I am currently using all of the component connections.

For someone that used DVE or AVIA, can you post the stats, like how many clicks for everything, contrast, sharpness, brightness, etc. :D

Unless you feel some strong need to have the "cool" factor of the widescreen, you can't go wrong with the 32"...bigger 4:3 and same size 16:9. You get the biggest SD picture and same size widescreen...seems a no-brainer to me. Check out antennaweb.com to see how close your local DTV towers are. The 4:3 has vert compression so you don't give away any resolution to the 30".


Originally posted by LugNutX
I'm still debating between the 30" and 32" - what is the general consensus on the fill-screen modes for 4:3 content on the 16:9? I am not a fan of stretched images, so the "full" mode is probably out, but how are the other two zooms?

Secondly, I was told that the widescreen has a 16:9 native display, but the 4:3 will have to downconvert to display the same image, and quality will be lost. But, it is my impression that the 4:3 has vertical compression, thus making the difference between the 30" and 32" only a matter of preference?

I do not know how much HD content I will be able to pick up (with either OTA or through cable), and I do watch quite a bit of SD analog channels now. On the other hand, I also watch movies fairly often, so I'm still torn between which set to buy.

There were some posts on the other thread regarding a few of these issues, but they were never really addressed completely. What are your thoughts on these things? Thanks!

Sorry to tell you that Zenith DVB318 has HDCP handshake problem with Sanyo. The Zenith will just freeze and require unplugging of the power cord to reboot. How do I know that? The bald spot on my head is the result of too much hair-pulling from trying to fix that. My TV is the 30", but I am very certain that the 32" is the same way. The problem is with the DVB318 I think. A new firmware from Zenith will be available soon. Don't upgrade or you will lose the upconverted 1080i output via component capability. Your newly-ordered DVB318 should have the old firmware.

The good news is the upscaled image via component (1080i) is just stunning.


Originally posted by Skallywag
[QUOTE]Originally posted by buzzly
[B]Unfortunely the 32" service manual is not available...

Actually, a service manual is available for just shy of $30 shipped from PacParts (can't give url, but just enter com after name). I was not given permission to scan and post the manual unfortunately.

So far, I am very happy with my 32" version. Much better SD picture than on any of the lcd or dlp rptv's I've seen at the stores and HD content is truly amazing after I adjusted things using the Avia calibration dvd. Just ordered the Zenith DVB318. Anyone hooked one of these up via a DVI to HDMI cable, and if so, is it as good as via component? I am currently using all of the component connections.

Thanks for the responses guys! I'm probably going to end up getting the 32" (if space permits).

Slickman - Let me know if you find out anything...I would also be interested in what these discs say are the "optimum" picture settings without having to spend the extra cash right now to do it myself. While DVE or AVIA will definitely be a future purchase, it would be nice to have a general idea of what to set it to now.

Hi guys, question, why was the original thread locked?


Also, I was checking on Walmart's website for a 34" widescreen, I didn't find any, but I did notice the HT30744 is now available on their website.

Here's the link http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=2601425&cat=136948&type=19&dept=3944&path=0%3A3944%3A3996%3A3996%3A136948


I know that will help out atleast one gentleman who couldn't get a truck to pick up the TV himself.

The original thread was locked due to off-topic posting from someone who seems to be bitter that the Sanyo is getting so much attention. Read the last few pages and you'll see what it was all about...but plrase don't bring any of it over to this new thread.

Originally posted by TH3_FRB
The original thread was locked due to off-topic posting from someone who seems to be bitter that the Sanyo is getting so much attention. Read the last few pages and you'll see what it was all about...but plrase don't bring any of it over to this new thread.
I agree, let's not bring any of the off-topic over here. The only thing I wish they had done when they locked the previous thread, was send out one last post, so all those who were subscribed would have known. They didn't have to go into detail, just an FYI that it was closed, and maybe a link to this new thread. OH WELL.

However, TH3_FRB, can you copy over the very good description and various links from the very first post that ORYAN had kept up to date? There is a lot of information in that first post, and would save a bunch of repeated questions.

Thanks,

sterno3

I know what you guys are talking about "off topic" discussion and who the culprit was.

After a delay on the renovation of my new place, I'll finally be able to move tomorrow morning. I'm hoping to purchase the 30" early next week, once we're situated and once we figure out if the 30" will suffice with the size of the new living room.

It was this thread, or the original rather, that convinced me these sets were worth looking into.

Slightly off topic, but does anyone know of a sight or link were a 30" 16:9 and a 27" 4:3 are shown side to side?

Does anyone know if the remote control for either tv is programable to run other devices?

Does anyone know if the remote control for either tv is programable to run other devices?

Both are universal DTV multimedia remotes that will run other devices.

I have updated this post to include some of the new info that has been posted in this thread

Currently, this set is only available at B&M Walmarts ONLY. It is not on walmart.com or anywhere else. I'll update this info if it is added to the web.

Edit: As sixdoubleseven pointed out, the 30" is now on walmart.com
Walmart.com - Sanyo HT30744 (http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=2601425&cat=108509&type=19&dept=3944&path=0%3A3944%3A3996%3A108509)

I work at Wal-Mart and we just got in a new TV that, I believe, marks the begining of true mass market HDTV.

The set is a Sanyo 32" Flat Screen HDTV Model # HT32744

Here are the specs:
Integrated HD Tuner w/ QAM (Page 17 of the manual)
HDMI input
2 Component Inputs
2 S-Video/AV inputs
1 Optical Audio Out
1 Analog audio out
2 Tuner PIP
Analog tuner for cable
3D Y/C Comb Filter

This thing sells for $747!!!!

Sanyo 32" 4:3 (http://www.sanyo.com/entertainment/televisions/digital/index.cfm?productID=905)

Here is the 30" wide version of the same thing:
Sanyo 30" 16:9 (http://www.sanyo.com/entertainment/televisions/digital/index.cfm?productID=904)

(If you want a layout of the back panel, it is page 6 of the manual.)
Sanyo Instruction Manual (http://www.sanyo.com/entertainment/televisions/digital/downloads/HT30744_4417.pdf)

This just made my job to sell HDTV to joe6pack a walk in the park. All you have to do is buy this tv and hook up an antenna and you get HDTV. Especially for the price, it is a steal. It is only 200 more than the analog flat screen 32", and this is HD with a digital tuner.

Ryan

EDIT:

I did get a chance to mess with the Sanyos today, and they do infact accept a 720p signal. I don't know (and don't know how to tell) if it is upconverted to 1080i. FWIW, when I hit the info button, it will show the information for the incomming signal, either 720p or 1080i These are the only tv's out of the 8 or so HD sets that we have that even displayed the 720p signal being output from the Dish 6000. If anyone knows how to test if it is native 720p, let me know and I'll see what i can do.

Also, the 30" wide allowed me to use all picture formats on 1080i. So I could put the 1080i signal in 4:3, full, zoom, etc. I still want to try that in 720p and 480p, but since it does it in 1080i, i assume it will do picture format changes in all modes. If i hadn't bought my Philips, the 30" Sanyo would be in my bedroom as we speak.


There is also a 27" version on the way and according to spider4re, they will be at Walmarts sometime in July.
Edit: The 27" is currently only a Canadian model as stated on the Sanyo website

Sanyo 27" 4:3 (http://www.sanyo.com/entertainment/televisions/digital/index.cfm?productID=911)

These sets should have the same feature set as the larger sets (HDMI and Digital Tuner)

Here is some info on the service menu:
About a month and a half ago, I asked on the Sanyo forums at homethearterspot.com, how to access the service menu of the sanyo's, and an ISF guy named Biloxi_MS_ISF just replied. Here is the link:
Sanyo Service Menu Thread (http://www.***************.com/htsthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=572439&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=365&fpart=1)

Some have tried it, but the service menu seems somewhat cryptic.
Edit:
here is the specifics on how to enter the service menu on these sets posted by another member:
"[text deleted.] Anyways I think I found the service menu access. I went and unplugged the TV and pushed the volume down key on the TV itself, not the remote. While holding the volume down button I plugged the TV and it came on. This TV takes a couple of seconds before you see anything on the screen, so make sure that keep that volume down button pressed until you see the service menu. I used the channel up/down key on the remote to navigate and the volume up/down on the remote to change the items. It has more than 150 parameters...

Hope that helps

Edgar"

I've typed up what is in the service menu of the set in my store. Here is a link to the post with the excel file..

Edit:
Well here is the official Sanyo Service Manual in pdf form:
Sanyo Service Manual (http://hinome.net/images/sanyo.pdf)


For discussions on using this tv with a HTPC or connecting a PC to the HDMI port, please post in this thread: Sanyo HT30744 Widescreen HDTV -- Adjusting Overscan with Powerstrip (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=414867)


Ryan

does this set take advantage of DVD player's with 3:2 pulldown feature?

I'm on the verge of getting this set, but I'm wondering if my DVD's would look better on the 27" Panasonic HDTV (that specifically states 3:2 pulldown), or this one...

3:2 pulldown is a process to take film material and make it 60 frames progressive, repeating a frame three times, the next two times, etc. If you have a dvd player that already does 3:2 pulldown, then the tv doesn't have to. If you only have an interlaced player, then yes, 3:2 pulldown on a tv is more important. Since dvd players that do 3:2 are so cheap now, I don't think I'd base my tv decision on that. 3:2 wont help on video material like tv shows or on video games, and correct me if i'm wrong, but I don't think that it will work on stuff on cable either. So it really only helps on dvd players that are interlaced only.

Does this TV have built-in 3:2 pulldown? I picked up a progressive scan player with this set and switching between progressive scan and interlaced, I can see no difference.

I have tried blacks on light colors, lights on blacks, fast motion, slow motion...and I do not notice any of the artifacts common to an interlaced picture. Is there something I'm missing or is the TV doing all the work?

If I'm way off base here, does anyone know a particular scene in a blockbuster-type movie that would show an interlaced scene well? I'm trying to figure out if I should keep the player or just use the one (non-progressive) that I had before.

Originally posted by LugNutX
Does this TV have built-in 3:2 pulldown? I picked up a progressive scan player with this set and switching between progressive scan and interlaced, I can see no difference.

I have tried blacks on light colors, lights on blacks, fast motion, slow motion...and I do not notice any of the artifacts common to an interlaced picture. Is there something I'm missing or is the TV doing all the work?

If I'm way off base here, does anyone know a particular scene in a blockbuster-type movie that would show an interlaced scene well? I'm trying to figure out if I should keep the player or just use the one (non-progressive) that I had before.

Maybe the TV has a line doubler built in:confused:

No, this TV dees not have built-in 3:2 pull-down (unless it is a very well-hidden feature). The 3:2 pull-down should be best done at the DVD player stage so most of the current TVs don't have the 3:2 pull-down feature. You should see some improvement between progressive scan and interlaced input. Read oryan_dunn's post.



Originally posted by LugNutX
Does this TV have built-in 3:2 pulldown? I picked up a progressive scan player with this set and switching between progressive scan and interlaced, I can see no difference.

I have tried blacks on light colors, lights on blacks, fast motion, slow motion...and I do not notice any of the artifacts common to an interlaced picture. Is there something I'm missing or is the TV doing all the work?

If I'm way off base here, does anyone know a particular scene in a blockbuster-type movie that would show an interlaced scene well? I'm trying to figure out if I should keep the player or just use the one (non-progressive) that I had before.

I thought that it did. Didn't we all tested it by watching a widescreen dvd with black bars on top and bottom while turning the brightness up and down to see if it affects the black bars? It didn't affect the black bars on my 32", so I thought that was convincing enough to say that it does have 3:2 pull-down.

investor27
3:2 pull down is a method used to map the 24 fps of motion picture film onto the 30 fps (60 fields) of 525-line TV, so that one film frame occupies three TV fields, the next two, etc. The end-result is a smoother image. Most of the progressive DVD players today hve that feature -- via a selectable Film ot Video mode. When the 3:2 pull down feature was rare in the DVD players, some HDTVs offer the 3:2 pull down conversion feature. But now even cheap DVD players offer progressive 3:2 feature, most HDTVs just don't offer that feature anymore.

The 4:3 TV squeezing all the resolutions into a 16:9 box for 16:9 material is sometimes called Enhanced HDTV mode (or other crazy names).

Thanks, Buzzly. I knew the Sanyo has something going for it, because it does look better in widescreen mode vs 4:3 mode. Take care, Buzzly.

Could this vertical compression be the reason for the lack of artifacts I see, even when viewing an interlaced picture?

Whereas the scanlines were fairly visible in certain portions of a movie on my old television, now I see none and the player has not changed...

Has anyone tried a dvd player with HDMI connection yet?

I went out last week to Wallyworld to measure up the box to make sure it would fit in my truck. The purchase is going down this upcoming weekend.

I too watch mostly 4:3 programs. My 10yr old 25" Samsung will be retired to the 3 season porch and this new 32" will hold me over for the next year or two, while the DLP's, Plasma's and other widescreen types work the bugs out and come down in price. Then it will be moved to the bedroom.

I can't wait to pick this puppy up! There seem to be nothing but good vibes about this tv here.

I currently have a non-progressive scan toshiba. Will the Sanyo still upconvert this old source to 1080?

I have the 32" Sanyo and have noticed (especially on the dish network menu) that the white lines and words on the right 6-8 inches of the screen are yellowish looking. It can be observed occasionally during programming, but usually not. It can be easily seen when anything white is on the screen. I put up a THX video test from a dvd I rented and sure enough, the two white screens on the right were affected. I played with the contrast, brightness sharpness and colors and it still seemed to have the yellowish tint, which might change color slightly if I changed the color settings. Any ideas?, or should I just return it and get a different T.V.

dakguy:

Do you have un-shielded speakers next to the TV screen?

Thanks Buzzly for clarifying the dvi-hdmi problems with the DVB318 and these TVs. Guess I will have to hook it up via component. Hope it will look OK.

I just ordered a Harmony remote model 688 and was wondering if there are discrete on-off and discrete input (video1, video2, component1, etc.) codes for this TV somewhere that I could load once I get this remote. My wife is not too happy with all the remotes lying around the LR. Thanks.

Skallywag: check this out

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=3847647#post3847647

Originally posted by Amigo-2k
I can't wait to pick this puppy up!

I know what you mean, but, trust me, to actually "pick this puppy up", will require at least two people! It is one heavy sucker!

As I posted in another thread, thanks to all the informative posts about this TV.

My 5 yr old 36" Toshiba was the victim of a Lightening storm, and even though I had it plugged into a APC UPS, it still got fried. First time ever for me.

I was determined to get this TV on my stand myself, so after two hours of trying to figure out a way to lift or otherwise move the set myself, I figured it out.

NOTE, it would be better to just get a helper, but sometimes another set of hands is not around, so here is what I eventually did:

I had an 8 foot ladder outside, I brought it in, used a plastic milk carton in the center of the ladder, and created a ramp, leading up to where my TV goes. Note, that the ladder was folded at all times, it just acted like a ramp.

I had a cardboard box, filled with wood (it was a stool, that was not yet assembled), and put the box at the bottom of the ramp. I was able to get the TV on top of the box, then just "pushed" the TV up the ramp, to where it's final resting place was.

It took me two hours and several "lets see if I can clean jerk it" up 3 feet before coming up with this solution.

Thanks to everyone who responded to the 3:2 DVD question. As my DVD player is 5 years old, and I want a new one that supports SACD and DVD-A, I will make sure that it also has a HDMI (or at least a DVI) connection, and a 3:2 progressive scan options as well.

This was the one question that was unanswered when I made my purchase, and the POS info and the manual did not help answer this question.

I dont mean to start a flame, or get off topic, but I did have a very positive encounter with a wal-mart employee who helped me out. He was just hired by the store, to be part of the new HT re-modeling that WM is going to be doing to the store where I live in two weeks. He had 9 years prior experience at CC. Say what you want positive or negative about CC, but I thought it was a step in the right direction to hire someone "in the industry". I think that the succss or failure of WM will be how the employees are trained.

Hey, speaking of WM associates, does anyone have any inside info as to if Sanyo will be offering a 36" version of this TV.

As I have 90 days (or is it a year on the Sanyo?) to return it, no questions asked, I would prefer a 36" version to a 32" version.

Now what I REALLY want in my living room is a 50 inch Plasma . . .

Originally posted by BuddTX
I dont mean to start a flame, or get off topic, but I did have a very positive encounter with a wal-mart employee who helped me out. He was just hired by the store, to be part of the new HT re-modeling that WM is going to be doing to the store where I live in two weeks. He had 9 years prior experience at CC. Say what you want positive or negative about CC, but I thought it was a step in the right direction to hire someone "in the industry". I think that the succss or failure of WM will be how the employees are trained.


I had a pretty positive experience as well. Especially compared to a lot of the people I read about here that asked about the TV and no one could find it in the back, etc.

I know the guy that works in the jewelry dept. and I went up and asked him if there was anyone in electronics that knew anything about HDTV. He said no which is what I figured since it's usually some older lady that works back there and she always gives me a blank look when I'm looking for something. Actually I had a Wal Mart employee buy my set for me. My buddy works for Wal Mart Distribution here and he said he'd buy it and get 10% off. So he helped me out and then when he went and bought it the kid we talked to went and got the TV in record time:) then asked if we wanted him to take it out for us (we did it ourselves). So I guess I can't say anyone there actually knew anything about the set but were there to at least help me out when I made my own decision.

Good post, BuddTX, and congratulations on the TV! As far as I know, Sanyo is not planning to release any other TV in this series beside the 27", 30", and 32". These are Wal-Mart exclusives, so it's not a wide-released into all the electronic departments around North America.

I, too, am looking for a 3:2 DVD that is SACD and DVD-A capable and has HDMI and/or DVI input for under $200. Are you looking at anything in particular that you can recommend? I know a lot of us here on these Sanyo threads are interested as well. Please let us know.

Walmart.com ever offer coupons?

No, this TV dees not have built-in 3:2 pull-down (unless it is a very well-hidden feature).

I emailed Sanyo and asked if the HT32744 performs 3:2 pulldown conversion for film based programs and whether it does vertical compression (16:9 enhanced mode) for 16:9 DVD and HDTV programs like my previous Sony High Scan HD monitor and got an affirmative response:

Yes to both items.
The HT32744 has the 3:2 pulldown frame sequencing process used to convert movie frame rate (24fps) into TV video signal display rate (30fps).
And the “LetterBox” PixShape mode is the enhanced vertical compression
where scanning lines are concentrated in the 16:9 area of the screen.
Sorry but I don’t know the exact chip used by our scaler circuit, hope the
rest of this helps.
Thank you, ..Sanyo Customer Service


I also found the Zoom mode to work nicely for blowing up the HD pic while watching some of the olympic diving competitions last night. My guess is the camera shots are still framed for 4:3 but haven't had a chance to catch alot of the other competitions where wide screen would more benefit.

Good stuff...thanks for reporting the info :cool:

Is anyone using a stand for the 30" that really fits it well? I'm looking for either dark wood , dark wood + metal, or silver to match the TV.

Thanks,
Dave

Have you checked out Ikea?

Ikea entertainment centers (http://www.ikea-usa.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?catalogId=10101&storeId=12&categoryId=10174&langId=-1&parentCats=10104*10174&cattype=sub)

Awesome. That's what I thought, because using the Pixshape to switch to widescreen does look better (even for non-HD feed). Thanks for reporting.

This one from Ikea looks cool. http://www.ikea-usa.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10101&storeId=12&productId=42127&langId=-1&parentCats=10104*10174 And it's only $59. It looks like the $79 one I purchased from Wal-Mart. The only thing I didn't like about the Wal-Mart one is that the back of the glass-top curved in a semi-circle fashion. I just wish it was a square top instead.

Too bad IKEA won't ship that item. Nearest store to me is 128miles in New Haven :(

I bought a silver Techcraft stand for my 32 inch Sanyo. Circuit City, $150

Warning, this stand is a monster to assemble., The instructions are worse than poor. I actually built it backwards once, then had to disassemble pieces to get it together the right way. Took me well over two hours to assemble it.
But it does look really nice.... And it's built for tv's of this weight range....


http://www.circuitcity.com/detail.jsp?c=1&b=g&u=c&qp=0&bookmark=bookmark_0&oid=63349&catoid=-9798&m=0

Anyone else notice the PQ is noticably sharper on this Sanyo in 1080i than 720p? Given this is no big surprise since the set doesn't do 720p natively, but the conversion to 1080i degrades the PQ to a larger degree than I'd expect. 720p images look very soft. Though honestly, I'm a bit disappointed with the soft picture in 1080i as well compared to the slightly higher priced competition - even after calibration with Avia. People's eyes just don't look as crisp as they should IMHO.

Question for the guys that got their HTPC connected to this TV,
What settings are you guys using for this connection? what steps did you take?
I'm connecting to a Mx440 DVI out, just switched from a Monter 400 cable to an ebay generic cable and have all kinds of problems just like when I first hooked up the monster cable. It seemed to be a Sync issue, a lot of flashing, duplicating boxes, I was eventually able to get the monter 400 to work, but with lot of overscan but when I switched over to the the ebay cable at what I thought were the same settings, then the sync issues with the flashin, duplicating boxes came back... now I can't seem to get rid of it and display the screen normally.

Yum.. I am eating my words. It is tasty!

This leads to a question. How do I turn-off the 3:2 pull down feature if my DVD player is doing the 3:2 pulling down? Would that redundancy casue problems? May be Sanyo has automatic sensing capability to turn on/off this 3:2 pull down feature.

Anyone here know a way to test this?


Originally posted by hardwired
I emailed Sanyo and asked if the HT32744 performs 3:2 pulldown conversion for film based programs and whether it does vertical compression (16:9 enhanced mode) for 16:9 DVD and HDTV programs like my previous Sony High Scan HD monitor and got an affirmative response:

Yes to both items.
The HT32744 has the 3:2 pulldown frame sequencing process used to convert movie frame rate (24fps) into TV video signal display rate (30fps).
And the “LetterBox” PixShape mode is the enhanced vertical compression
where scanning lines are concentrated in the 16:9 area of the screen.
Sorry but I don’t know the exact chip used by our scaler circuit, hope the
rest of this helps.
Thank you, ..Sanyo Customer Service


I also found the Zoom mode to work nicely for blowing up the HD pic while watching some of the olympic diving competitions last night. My guess is the camera shots are still framed for 4:3 but haven't had a chance to catch alot of the other competitions where wide screen would more benefit.

I think it depends on the original source of the broadcast materials. In theory PQ of 720p can be the same or better than 1080i. But from my experenice, NBC-HD @ 1080i (via cable and Sanyo's QAM tuner) is MUCH sharper than, say ABC @ 720p or CBS @ 1080i. The original resolution of the broadcast materials play a key role in PQ. I am guessing that both CBS and ABC convert their some SD materials for digital broadcasts whereas NBC-HD's materials were HD all the way. I am watching Olympic on NBC-HD now and I can see clearly the tatoos on some of the runners and divers.

EDIT: Just learn this: Not all ABC shows will be in HDTV immediately, but those that are will be in 720p format. All 720p programming is widescreen (16:9). Any ABC shows not in HDTV will be upconverted to the 720p widescreen (16:9) format.


On the DVD side, I have a Zenith 318 upconverting ouput @ 1080i via component output (connecting to the Sanyo). I have played more than 20 discs, and the 1080i PQ is significantly better than that of 480p and 720p.

So, there is no clear cut answere to the PQ @ ? format question.


Originally posted by housecor
Anyone else notice the PQ is noticably sharper on this Sanyo in 1080i than 720p? Given this is no big surprise since the set doesn't do 720p natively, but the conversion to 1080i degrades the PQ to a larger degree than I'd expect. 720p images look very soft. Though honestly, I'm a bit disappointed with the soft picture in 1080i as well compared to the slightly higher priced competition - even after calibration with Avia. People's eyes just don't look as crisp as they should IMHO.

Originally posted by buzzly
I think it depends on the original source of the broadcast materials. In theory PQ of 720p can be the same or better than 1080i. But from my experenice, NBC-HD @ 1080i (via cable and Sanyo's QAM tuner) is MUCH sharper than, say ABC @ 720p or CBS @ 1080i. The original resolution of the broadcast materials play a key role in PQ. I am guessing that both CBS and ABC convert their some SD materials for digital broadcasts whereas NBC-HD's materials were HD all the way. I am watching Olympic on NBC-HD now and I can see clearly the tatoos on some of the runners and divers.

EDIT: Just learn this: Not all ABC shows will be in HDTV immediately, but those that are will be in 720p format. All 720p programming is widescreen (16:9). Any ABC shows not in HDTV will be upconverted to the 720p widescreen (16:9) format.


On the DVD side, I have a Zenith 318 upconverting ouput @ 1080i via component output (connecting to the Sanyo). I have played more than 20 discs, and the 1080i PQ is significantly better than that of 480p and 720p.

So, there is no clear cut answere to the PQ @ ? format question.

I'm not surprised that your PQ is best when the 318 outputs 1080i directly to the set since the set displays 1080i natively. My reference for 720p clarity on this set is MNF in 720p on ABC. I noticed the scoreboard and text have a soft, almost fuzzy quality. Also, King of Queens in 1080i on CBS last night was noticably clearer than Drew Carey in 720p on ABC. Conversion from 720p to 1080i on this set is mediocre at best in my eyes.

Well my reference of viewing has so far been limited to the Olympics. So far I haven't seen anything on any of my other OTA channels that are 1080. But all the others are 720 and there's a big difference between NBC's Olympic coverage and the others broadcasts.

What exactly dictates that? Will there be a standard that all broadcasts will be in the same output? Forgive my ignorance..... I'm a newbie.

Originally posted by buzzly
Yum.. I am eating my words. It is tasty!

This leads to a question. How do I turn-off the 3:2 pull down feature if my DVD player is doing the 3:2 pulling down? Would that redundancy casue problems? May be Sanyo has automatic sensing capability to turn on/off this 3:2 pull down feature.

Anyone here know a way to test this?

If you've got your DVD player doing the 3:2 pulldown, then the dvd player will be outputing progressive scan. The TV wont do 3:2 pulldown on progressive material because there will be no need to. If the player outputs interlaced, then the TV will do the 3:2 pulldown to display a progressive signal.

Ryan

Originally posted by housecor
Anyone else notice the PQ is noticably sharper on this Sanyo in 1080i than 720p? Given this is no big surprise since the set doesn't do 720p natively, but the conversion to 1080i degrades the PQ to a larger degree than I'd expect. 720p images look very soft. Though honestly, I'm a bit disappointed with the soft picture in 1080i as well compared to the slightly higher priced competition - even after calibration with Avia. People's eyes just don't look as crisp as they should IMHO.

I concur. HD @ 1080i is definitely better on a Sony HS510 or HS420, but I have only been using the built-in DTV tuner on the Sanyo. Not sure if it's the same or better using an external STB via component or HDMI, but suspect it's about the same for 1080i and perhaps better for 720p that's upconverted by the STB to 1080i.

That makes sense.

Originally posted by oryan_dunn
If you've got your DVD player doing the 3:2 pulldown, then the dvd player will be outputing progressive scan. The TV wont do 3:2 pulldown on progressive material because there will be no need to. If the player outputs interlaced, then the TV will do the 3:2 pulldown to display a progressive signal.

Ryan

I posted this in poll thread and received one response. I was hoping some other people might have some input. I'm kind of curious to know whether anybody has experienced thick scrolling black bars on the Sanyo 32 inch hdtv. I've had this problem on my panasonic ct32hxc14. It's extrememly noticable when component cables are being run into the tv and I've done everything to try and isolate the problem and it looks like it's somehow part of the tv itself. It kind of infurates me to be watching a movie and when a scene in the movie is bright I can see these thick black bars scrolling on the set. If nobody else has seen this problem then I'll soon be the owner of the sanyo tv. Any other input about what people don't like about the tv would be useful as well. The tv will be used for probably 70% gaming, 20% dvd's, and 10% standard definition dish sattelite service.

Finally have a chance to compare programming in HD channels @720p and 1080i via Comcast cable.

NBC-HD Olympics @ 1080i

FOX - NFL football 720p

CBS - Red Sox @ 1080i

and not sport events

PBS- HD @ 1080i
ABC - Prime time sitcom @ 720P

I can say that PQ @ 1080i is better than that of 720p every time with this Sanyo. I agree with you that the PQ got worse when upconverting from incoming 720p to 1080i in this TV.

However, aftering calibrated the Sanyo with DVE, I got very sharp picture @ 1080i comparing to other "higher price competition." I think this Sanyo can hold its own in this area.


Originally posted by housecor
Anyone else notice the PQ is noticably sharper on this Sanyo in 1080i than 720p? Given this is no big surprise since the set doesn't do 720p natively, but the conversion to 1080i degrades the PQ to a larger degree than I'd expect. 720p images look very soft. Though honestly, I'm a bit disappointed with the soft picture in 1080i as well compared to the slightly higher priced competition - even after calibration with Avia. People's eyes just don't look as crisp as they should IMHO.

Jeff. How big are these black bars you are seeing? Are they vertical lines, and do you see them on all chanels or only on some analog and digital channels?

Originally posted by buzzly

I can say that PQ @ 1080i is better than that of 720p every time with this Sanyo. I agree with you that the PQ got worse when upconverting from incoming 720p to 1080i in this TV.

Thanks for the input Buzzly. So my problem is this. 1080i looks great, but many argue 720p is the future of HD due to it's lower bandwidth requirements and superior fast movement rendering. If more stations move to 720p down the road this set becomes a bit of a disappointment for me. There's just not the same HD wow factor on this set in 720p IMHO. I notice it on scoreboards in 720p - text looks a bit fuzzy. May have to hold out for a set that produces 720p and 1080i natively...or at least has superior upconverted PQ. :(

Also, Buzzly - Do you have a way to convert 720p to 1080i on your Comcast box? I'd be interested to see if 720p broadcasts look better if they're converted by a STB rather than the set.

Oh, and don't take my little gripe too far - I still think this TV is an amazing deal. SD PQ is excellent and head and shoulders above any HD set I've ever seen. The built in tuner has superb sensitivity, & 1080i rivals higher priced sets. Plus, compared to its Sony and Zenith competition very few significant problems have been reported. Just sporadic geometry issues for the most part.

I don't have a Comcast STB. I got all those channels I talked about FREE (kinda).

I also read somewhere that Sanyo uses its own convertion chip, most likely not in the same level as the Genesis Faroudja DCDi FLI2301 chip used in my Zenith DVB318 ($20 each in volume back in 2003).

Originally posted by housecor

Also, Buzzly - Do you have a way to convert 720p to 1080i on your Comcast box? I'd be interested to see if 720p broadcasts look better if they're converted by a STB rather than the set.

Can someone who used AVIA or DVE PLEASE post what you got for each category. If not how many clicks then at least percentages. Like contrast= about 30%, brightness= 50%, etc.

I was just in a Canadian WalMart and finally got to see the 27" model, though it wasn't displaying any HD content.

Hopefully the pricing information posted below is ok, since these sets can't be purchased anywhere else. Mods, delete if inappropriate.

They had the 27" priced at $699 CDN and the 30" widescreen model was priced at $999 CDN.

I really wish the 27" model was available South of the Border, since I'd pick one up as a bedroom TV for that price.

Well I picked it up today. All I can say is wow! After an hour wait for the Walmart folks to unbury the TV I was on the way home with it with a friend. I also, picked up a cheapy RCA antenna (I'm abotu 5 miles from all of my antennas). After about an hour of setting up all of the cables (I only wanted to do it once), I flicked it on and it searched for channels. I picked up everything except FOX. Also, some of the other channels come in and out so the antenna is headed back tommorow for a more powerfull one.

The HD olympics looked excellant! SD was a bit fuzzy, so I turned down the Contrast, and lowered the sharpness. There was still of junk that was showing up. So I checked my connection and they were all with poor quaility coax cable. So I decided to run a RCA cable from my cable box to the TV and WOW! It is very very clear now. And it looks a heck of a lot better then my 10 yr old Samsung 25".

If you are still thinking about this TV, now is the time. This will make a great start HDTV, with an upgrade to a widescreen (+42") in a couple years.

Thanks for everyones input!


-Ryan

Originally posted by Slickman
Can someone who used AVIA or DVE PLEASE post what you got for each category. If not how many clicks then at least percentages. Like contrast= about 30%, brightness= 50%, etc.

Sure thing. Ran Avia on mine. Here's the results:

Color: 45%
Tint: 1 Notch to the left (you wont see the indicator actually move though)
Contrast: 30%
Brightness: 45%
Sharpness: 50%

That should get you pretty close. I'm very pleased with the results.

If you're only 5 miles out from the broadcast points then I'd suspect you might actually have too strong of a signal. Is the antenna powered? I'd try simple rabbit ears. Did you try rotating the antenna? You can hit the "info" button on the remote and it will give you a signal meter for the station that you can use to adjust the direction.

Originally posted by Amigo-2k
Well I picked it up today. All I can say is wow! After an hour wait for the Walmart folks to unbury the TV I was on the way home with it with a friend. I also, picked up a cheapy RCA antenna (I'm abotu 5 miles from all of my antennas). After about an hour of setting up all of the cables (I only wanted to do it once), I flicked it on and it searched for channels. I picked up everything except FOX. Also, some of the other channels come in and out so the antenna is headed back tommorow for a more powerfull one.

The HD olympics looked excellant! SD was a bit fuzzy, so I turned down the Contrast, and lowered the sharpness. There was still of junk that was showing up. So I checked my connection and they were all with poor quaility coax cable. So I decided to run a RCA cable from my cable box to the TV and WOW! It is very very clear now. And it looks a heck of a lot better then my 10 yr old Samsung 25".

If you are still thinking about this TV, now is the time. This will make a great start HDTV, with an upgrade to a widescreen (+42") in a couple years.

Thanks for everyones input!


-Ryan

IT is a non power pair of rabbit ears (RCA) from Walmart. I checked the info button and all of the channels are at least 75%, except it didn't pick up fox. is there a way I can punch in a channel that it didn't pick up? I would like to place my antenna in a place that it is not so visable too.
-Ryan

Originally posted by housecor
Sure thing. Ran Avia on mine. Here's the results:

Color: 45%
Tint: 1 Notch to the left (you wont see the indicator actually move though)
Contrast: 30%
Brightness: 45%
Sharpness: 50%

That should get you pretty close. I'm very pleased with the results.

Thank you so much! I'm literally going to have like 5 bucks left after buying the TV and this helps alot! Thanks again! :D

I'm about 12 miles out and typically have no problems with rabbit ears. I'm on the top floor of a 3-story building so maybe that helps. It might be the buildings/trees around you that are causing problems. Might be worth trying another antenna. I think you can manually add channels that weren't picked up during the auto scan via the "digital add-on search" in the menu.

Originally posted by Amigo-2k
IT is a non power pair of rabbit ears (RCA) from Walmart. I checked the info button and all of the channels are at least 75%, except it didn't pick up fox. is there a way I can punch in a channel that it didn't pick up? I would like to place my antenna in a place that it is not so visable too.
-Ryan

Originally posted by AranC23
I currently am setup to send 1280x720 (720p) to my HT32744 through a DVI-HDMI cable from my GeForce4 Ti4200 card. There may be better options and I'm still tinkering with it. The interesting this is that because the resolution used is 16:9 in aspect but the physical display is 4:3. This means that I had explicitly tell the software I use (MythTV) not to pillarbox standard 4:3 material. I think it assumed that because the pixel ratio was 16:9 that the display must also be 16:9.
In other words, you're not stuck with 480i, unless you're using the standard composite inputs of course!

AranC23,
What settings are you using for the display, are you using powerstrip? I'm also displaying 1280x720 and occ 720x480p from my HTPC through HDMI, but with lot of overscan on both resolutions.

Has anyone been successful displaying 1920x1080i from HTPC through HDMI on this TV? I'm able to display it, but the picture seems to go black every 1-2 seconds. Drives me nuts, can't figure out what is causing it...no flickering or apparent sync issues. everytime I make ANY adjustment to refresh rate, FP, BP, Sync numbers it simply won't display anything at all.

I just purchased the 30" Sanyo and i noticed that when in "FULL" sceen mode that there is a slight "compressed" look to the left and right edges of the screen. You can only really notice it when a camera pans from left to right. I was wondering if there's anything in the service menu to adjust this or is this just normal? Here's a small example of what i mean.

4:3 mode
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16:9 mode
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If there is something in the menu to adjust this can someone point me to what it is? I looked at the menu and it's pretty cryptic. Don't want to touch much in there.

Thanks

Originally posted by RebelWax
If there is something in the menu to adjust this can someone point me to what it is? I looked at the menu and it's pretty cryptic. Don't want to touch much in there.
Thanks [/B]

It sounds like you're referring to poor geometry caused by excessive contrast levels. The power supply in this set is pretty weak which distorts the geometry toward the left and right screen edges when the contrast/brightness levels are too high. Have you calibrated your set with Avia or DVE? My set exhibited this issue very noticeably until I dialed these settings way back. Now this issue is hardly noticeable.

Originally posted by housecor
It sounds like you're referring to poor geometry caused by excessive contrast levels. The power supply in this set is pretty weak which distorts the geometry toward the left and right screen edges when the contrast/brightness levels are too high. Have you calibrated your set with Avia or DVE? My set exhibited this issue very noticeably until I dialed these settings way back. Now this issue is hardly noticeable.

When in 4:3 ratio i can see the verticle edges and they seem pretty good. A very slight bow to them but nothing i would care about. It's just when I go to 16:9 ratio i can notice the video is compressed on the left and right edges. I also notice it when i zoom in fully.

Folks,

I have been waiting to make up my mind about a new tv so in the interim I bought the 32" as I had no tv now for about a year


Boy is it blurry! I would think that it should be at least as comarable to the inexpensive sony's
It does improve as the resolution increases it appears I am unable to get any 720 Progressive in put not matter what DVD's I use or cable signal.
I have used both a laserdisc on composite 3 and DVD on comcposite 2.
I has improved but I do not have my DVHS test tape yet to do 1080i.


This does not sound like I got a good model .
I always turn down the contrast and Brightness to set the black level properly but I cannot seem to get any where near the clarity of my Sony's
.
If any body has any thoughts or tests I should perform please feel to email or PM me
Is there a diagnostic mode I can initiate in service mode?

Thanks in advance

Oh what would be the result of calling sanyo do they actually send a service man out or should I swap it with walmarts .

They are rather wonderful at that level


Sincerely,
Kevin

Additionally
What would cause a vast difference in the smpte resolution pattern,

The vertical lines show more tha 450 lines int the pattern but the horizontal patterns barely make 200 and wobbly at that

Originally posted by svxman
AranC23,
What settings are you using for the display, are you using powerstrip? I'm also displaying 1280x720 and occ 720x480p from my HTPC through HDMI, but with lot of overscan on both resolutions.

Has anyone been successful displaying 1920x1080i from HTPC through HDMI on this TV? I'm able to display it, but the picture seems to go black every 1-2 seconds. Drives me nuts, can't figure out what is causing it...no flickering or apparent sync issues. everytime I make ANY adjustment to refresh rate, FP, BP, Sync numbers it simply won't display anything at all.

I'm using an FX5200 with my 32" Sanyo HDTV. With the official NVIDIA 61.77 drivers, I was able to get 480p & 720p resolutions, but not a useable 1080i display. To compensate for the overscan in 720p, I used the Keystone app that came with the NVIDIA driver. However, I was getting slightly choppy video & mouse movements, so I tried out the beta Forceware 66.00 drivers. These work great to minimize the overscan, BUT it causes everything to be tall & squished horizontally. Watching recorded TV shows & XviD (widescreen) movies is fine, but I am having problems watching DVDs. The screen is slightly stretched vertically, so people look slightly taller & skinnier. It's strange that the XviD version of the movie looks fine. Does anyone know how to fix this in ZP or WinDVD 6?

Thanks,
jawgee

Originally posted by RebelWax
I just purchased the 30" Sanyo and i noticed that when in "FULL" sceen mode that there is a slight "compressed" look to the left and right edges of the screen. You can only really notice it when a camera pans from left to right. I was wondering if there's anything in the service menu to adjust this or is this just normal? Here's a small example of what i mean.

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If there is something in the menu to adjust this can someone point me to what it is? I looked at the menu and it's pretty cryptic. Don't want to touch much in there.

Thanks

I've noticed a similar effect with my philips set. I'd like to know what it is as well.

Originally posted by RebelWax
I just purchased the 30" Sanyo and i noticed that when in "FULL" sceen mode that there is a slight "compressed" look to the left and right edges of the screen. You can only really notice it when a camera pans from left to right. I was wondering if there's anything in the service menu to adjust this or is this just normal? Here's a small example of what i mean.

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If there is something in the menu to adjust this can someone point me to what it is? I looked at the menu and it's pretty cryptic. Don't want to touch much in there.

Thanks

I've heard this referred to as barrel-roll and it is quite common, you could possibly reduce this in the service menu by increasing overscan but as you probably know you should exercise extreme caution when tinkering in the service menu.

Originally posted by 4K display
I've heard this referred to as barrel-roll and it is quite common, you could possibly reduce this in the service menu by increasing overscan but as you probably know you should exercise extreme caution when tinkering in the service menu.

Thanks for the reply. So that would just require me to increase the H Size i'm guessing? Crappy thing is....you lose some of the picture on the sides :-/

Found another issue with my 30". Verticle transparent bands down the screen when my xbox is hooked up through component. Not good :( I'll test this system out a bit more before i make my final decision if i want to keep it or not.

RebelWax it sounds to me like you have way too many issues with this set to keep it. That's the beauty of it though. Take 'er back no questions asked.

I had a weird experience with mine today. I turned it one and there was no picture. Nothing, none of the channel info. or volume levels. At first I though the S-Video had come off the D* Tivo but I switched to D-antenna and there wasn't anything there either. I shut it off and turned it back on and everything was back to normal. It only happened once...... I hope it doesn't happen again or mine's going back too.

I got blue perfect on my monitor, but there seems to be a red and green push. Anyone know which values to mess with in the service menu to fix this?

took mine back today-picture got real crooked and had wavy lines on the side bars.

also pass on the panasonic 30 wide screen at wally world, it has a very bad picture

I wrote a rather lengthy reply to this earlier today...but it's nowhere to be found...so here it goes again...lets see how much I can remember :)

I have a few thoughts for you. First off, if you got a good set (not defective) and are feeding it clean signals then I can't imagine how you could consider the picture "blurry". As for settings, try these to get you started: Avia calibration (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=4269094#post4269094). DVD is a 480i source through composite/s-video or 480p source with a progressive player and component cables...unless you have an upconverting DVD player or HTPC. Also, laser disc is an analog source so don't expect too much out of it on your HD television. You said that you are using composite connections...that would be the 4th choice in terms of picture quality after DVI/HDMI, component, and S-video...again, don't expect too much from that type of connection. One suggestion for checking if you have a defective set would be to hook an antenna up to the digital input and scan for OTA DTV/HD channels...they should be crystal clear. You can hit the "info" button on the remote which will let you know if the broadcast is 480, 720, or 1080. Also, if you subscribe to digital cable you should be able to tuner many of the channels (maye even some HD) with the integrated tuner. Just hook the cable to the digital input and scan for channels.

You should use at least an S-video connection to do this set (or any HD set) justice though...that's the first thing you need to do.


Originally posted by works4me
Folks,

I have been waiting to make up my mind about a new tv so in the interim I bought the 32" as I had no tv now for about a year


Boy is it blurry! I would think that it should be at least as comarable to the inexpensive sony's
It does improve as the resolution increases it appears I am unable to get any 720 Progressive in put not matter what DVD's I use or cable signal.
I have used both a laserdisc on composite 3 and DVD on comcposite 2.
I has improved but I do not have my DVHS test tape yet to do 1080i.


This does not sound like I got a good model .
I always turn down the contrast and Brightness to set the black level properly but I cannot seem to get any where near the clarity of my Sony's
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If any body has any thoughts or tests I should perform please feel to email or PM me
Is there a diagnostic mode I can initiate in service mode?

Thanks in advance

Oh what would be the result of calling sanyo do they actually send a service man out or should I swap it with walmarts .

They are rather wonderful at that level


Sincerely,
Kevin

Additionally
What would cause a vast difference in the smpte resolution pattern,

The vertical lines show more tha 450 lines int the pattern but the horizontal patterns barely make 200 and wobbly at that

The set's upconversion leaves something to be desired. I'm seeing slight horizontal movement in all 480p/i sources.

What sources and via what connection type? Even the OTA tuner? I don't have any probelms.

Originally posted by Ace_of_Sevens
The set's upconversion leaves something to be desired. I'm seeing slight horizontal movement in all 480p/i sources.

I take that back. After close examination, only 480P has this problem. Tis on both component 2 and 3. None of the OTA stations in my area broadcast 480p, so can't check that.

This sounds like a pretty good pick.

For those who really appreciate the television and have been using it for a while .. what are the drawbacks that you find? I'm not extremely particular.

This TV doesn't support 480P, so it will not look as well as 480i and 1080i. I wasn't aware that there was a difference between component 2 and 3 with cable connection. I thought it doesn't matter which one you use. Am I wrong?

Both component inputs are wide-band therefore they do support 480i, 480p, and 1080i connections. This tv does support 480p.

Originally posted by ZenGonzo
This sounds like a pretty good pick.

For those who really appreciate the television and have been using it for a while .. what are the drawbacks that you find? I'm not extremely particular.

Only a few:
1. Volume doesn't have a bar or numbers to show level
2. Screen adjustments don't have numbers for reference
3. No separate picture settings for different inputs/tuners
4. Weak speakers

Those are the 4 that bug me. But none are deal breakers IMHO.

For more info, check the old thread at http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=395229&perpage=20&pagenumber=56 for more info.

As far as PQ goes, I dropped by CC last night to check out the new Sony 960 everyone's been talking about. I've been really interested in this set as well since it has a built in tuner. I was able to view Monday Night Football on the it in 720p OTA and Everybody Loves Raymond in 1080i. To my shock, even after tweaking the Sony I found the HD PQ to be about equal and often notably worse than my Sanyo! :D Why? The Super High res. tube displays every little compression artifact in the OTA signal. Plus, SD on the Sony was very grainy and digital compared to the Sanyo which has excellent SD PQ. It seems the high res tube in the Sony just magnifies signal flaws even further. Given, the 960 offers many cool features, but considering it's 3 times the price of my Sanyo, I'm sold on my set.

Half the reason I'm getting the set is for the XBOX games, but people who hooked it up through component said they see green vertical bands on the TV. I'm supposed to get it this Friday but I'm beginning to have doubts. :( I already have the Monster component cable ready too.

Originally posted by housecor
Only a few:
1. Volume doesn't have a bar or numbers to show level
2. Screen adjustments don't have numbers for reference
3. No separate picture settings for different inputs/tuners
4. Weak speakers

Those are the 4 that bug me. But none are deal breakers IMHO.


Weak speakers understates the problem for me. If you had stayed home to watch MNF, you probably would have had trouble hearing Madden over the background crowd noise. There is some sibilance issues with S sounds, but the audio setup covers the foreground speaking with background noise. If you send the audio to an AV receiver, it is fine.

Lack of a EPG for the digital channels is a big one for me. If you are going to use OTA digital channels, it is pretty hard to see what is (will be) on. This will become more and more important for OTA - but most of my viewing will still be satellite that has its own EPG.

Picture beside Picture requires one side to be a digital OTA station. Would be nice if you could display any two inputs. Minor, at least for me.

I REALLY don't like that you can't enter a channel number on the remote to go to an OTA station when you are in AV1, ... - you must cycle through all available inputs to get to OTA. It is odd how this set distinguishes between analog and digital.

Some minor video issues with certain content and display modes, but none significant on my unit.

I've had it for almost two months but am considering taking it back as the 90 day period nears. Looking at a Samsung TXP3275/3271 instead of the 32744. It starts $250 more than the Sanyo but BestBuy has a $100 card or wait for a 10% off deal and I'd be spending about $170 more for the Samsung's audio and EPG. Dunno that I will, but thinking hard on it. It has its own downsides - at least the Service Manual is available on the Sanyo (and lots of helpful posters)!

Originally posted by 4K display
Both component inputs are wide-band therefore they do support 480i, 480p, and 1080i connections. This tv does support 480p.

As well at 720p. Pretty much anything a consumer device will output over component, this tv will accept.

Originally posted by bhenley
Looking at a Samsung TXP3275/3271 instead of the 32744.

My god, man! That's the set I fell in love with. Something about the picture just seemed to blow all of the others away. The smoothness .. the letters all seemed so clear.

I'm not sure what it was, but I couldn't find any other details on the web or anything.

Have you read anything else about it? It seemed like a really great piece.

HI

My two cents worth on the Sanyo 30". I've had the set for a couple of months, and I'm generally pleased with it. I use the manual picture adjustments; the presets are terrible. With proper contrast and brightness settings the picture is very good. It does have red push as has been stated previously. When I got it the picture had a green tint, but a trip to the service menu to adjust the drive and cutoff controls took care of that. My major complaint is compression on the edges of the widescreen picture. This is not there on 4:3 and zoom 1 settings. I increased the width of the picture slightly to hide most of this linearity problem, and now I'm probably the only one who notices it.

Since there is no such thing as perfection in the video world I feel that this set has the best bang for the buck. Today I looked at Philips, Samsung, and Sony 30" TVs, and the Sanyo held up well against the far more expensive Sonys and to me seemed superior to the Philips and Samsungs.

I'm not a gamer, so I have no opinion in that area.

All in all I doubt you could find a better TV for the price. It will not be perfect for every application, but it does a good job for the purpose for which it is intended.

Steve

I totally agree Steve, this is an entry level HDTV and it performs above its class.

Slickman I too have the Monster HD pack for X-BOX and I haven't seen any lines or problems whatsoever. Gaming is a real treat on this tv.

Originally posted by ZenGonzo
My god, man! That's the set I fell in love with. Something about the picture just seemed to blow all of the others away. The smoothness .. the letters all seemed so clear.

I'm not sure what it was, but I couldn't find any other details on the web or anything.

Have you read anything else about it? It seemed like a really great piece.

I haven't been able to do any side by side comparison of the Sanyo (home) and Samsung. Best Buy carries the TXP3271, but my local store doesn't have it on display. Assuming the TXP2775 is the same except for size, it didn't really have a "better" picture than my Sanyo. There is only Circuit City's internal feeds to compare with though.

There is a Samsung TXP thread, but you'll find that someone asked over 3 weeks ago about the Service Manual and has no response yet. The 26" and 27" have been available here for quite a while but I've SEEN nothing of the 30" or 32" TXPs. An ad in the Sunday paper for Best Buy was the first I'd seen about someone actually carrying a 32" locally so it may just be early in the release of the 32" units (here?). Sears has the 30" TX-P3071WH on their web site, but not in local stores.

There is a lot of info at SamsungUSA.com. TXP comparison at http://www.samsungusa.com/pdf/SamsungHDTV.pdf
Manual for TXPs at http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/content/UM/200408/20040812193016484_AA68-03263B-00Eng_0421.pdf

FWIW, I like the Sanyo a lot better than a 50" DLP set I had briefly before it. I'll drive 25 miles and see a TXP 3275 and 3271 in the next few days. They'll be more than the Sanyo, but not much more.

Originally posted by 4K display
I totally agree Steve, this is an entry level HDTV and it performs above its class.

Slickman I too have the Monster HD pack for X-BOX and I haven't seen any lines or problems whatsoever. Gaming is a real treat on this tv.

Do you have the 30", or the 32":confused:

I picked this set up the other day as a bedroom set. I'm -really- happy with it. I have a Comcast digital box for my projector, but so far nothing for this set. I was ultra happy when I hooked up cable and found the QAM to work with a number of stations.

No numbers for the volume irks me, but I will survive. Accepting 720p is huge for Xbox owners, wait till you see a game in 720p.

Cheers,

Josh

It does seem strange that the volume has no markers of any kind, but really...it's your ears that tell you when to adjust it.

Remember that you're actually "seeing" it in 1080i since the set upconverts to the native resolution

Originally posted by JoshMKiV
I picked this set up the other day as a bedroom set. I'm -really- happy with it. I have a Comcast digital box for my projector, but so far nothing for this set. I was ultra happy when I hooked up cable and found the QAM to work with a number of stations.

No numbers for the volume irks me, but I will survive. Accepting 720p is huge for Xbox owners, wait till you see a game in 720p.

Cheers,

Josh

I know this set will accept all signal modes (480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i), but is 1080i the only resolution it displays at? I can't find any info that says it can also display at 480p.

If this is true, then that means this TV can't display a progressive image, correct? So even if you are watching a movie that is being displayed at 480p, you are actually watching it at upconverted 1080i, right?

And also, I saw someone post a response they recieved from Sanyo that stated that the TV does support 3:2 pulldown. But if the TV can't display a progressive output, then how can this be true?

Originally posted by jminer1
I know this set will accept all signal modes (480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i), but is 1080i the only resolution it displays at? I can't find any info that says it can also display at 480p.

If this is true, then that means this TV can't display a progressive image, correct? So even if you are watching a movie that is being displayed at 480p, you are actually watching it at upconverted 1080i, right?

And also, I saw someone post a response they recieved from Sanyo that stated that the TV does support 3:2 pulldown. But if the TV can't display a progressive output, then how can this be true?

I'm almost positive the set diplays 480p & 1080i natively & 720p is upconverted to 1080i. I just sent an email to Sanyo to get confirmation straight from the source. I'll let you know.

Awesome!

Thanks for the quick reply and for taking the initiative to write an email to Sanyo.

I'll anxiously await the response.

Originally posted by housecor
I'm almost positive the set diplays 480p & 1080i natively & 720p is upconverted to 1080i. I just sent an email to Sanyo to get confirmation straight from the source. I'll let you know.

I had a 50" DLP that HAD to upconvert 480i to 1080i. Coming from a satellite DVR, the time spent upconverting was painfully obvious. With audio going directly to an AV receiver (TOSlink or RCA), you would see the lip sync problem from the time taken to upconvert. If you turned the TV audio on as well as the AV receiver, you could hear the delay (it delayed audio in to match its upconversion time). The Sanyo plays the audio at the same time as the AV receiver (no echo) and no lip sync issues are present that you would get if it was upconverting to 1080i. It just line doubles 480i and displays 480p directly or they've devised some really fast upconvert method. Many (most?) direct view displays do 480p and 1080i natively and I'm with you on the "almost positive".

Lip sync issues are often production issues, not a set issues. I've experienced occasional lip sync issues on my Sanyo - but I've confirmed others in my area have experienced the same issue on the same signal with different sets. It sounds like on your DLP you had a legit set related sync issue, but on this Sanyo any lip sync I've experienced thus far is caused by the program not the set. Good news.

It looks like the 720p is upconverted.

Sorry for the confusion. I was responding to the comment about seeing an Xbox game in 720p...and reminding everyone that it is really being upconverted to 1080i. Didn't mean to imply that everything gets upconverted. I'd assume 480p is displayed as is.

Woah, my reponse from Sanyo on the upconverstion question was short and surprising!

My Question:
I have a question regarding the HT32744 32" HDTV. What resolutions does it display natively? In other words, does this set display 480i, 480p, or 720p natively or are all of these resolutions upconverted to 1080i?

Sanyo's Response:
This set will display 480i, 480p, or 720p and 1080i. It does not convert to 1080i.

So, according to this, it sounds like this set displays all the major formats natively including 720p! Native 480i also explains why SD looks so great on this set. SD isn't upconverted - which in my opinion just produces poor digital looking PQ like you see on so many HD sets which upconvert SD. And I know of no other CRT's that display 720p natively...anyone? However, this doesn't explain why most feel 720p PQ falls slightly short of 1080i on this set. Maybe I'm still a bit skeptical on this response - it sounds too good to be true. This is a very surprising set of features for a budget set.

I've always thought it would be harder to design a set that will go through upconverting different resolutions and converting to digital and all that hopla, rather than just making a multisync tv, similar to every pc monitor. I mean, my 90 dollar monitor can sync to all kinds of different rates. It is surprising that other manufactures haven't made native displays. If this is in fact true, then it is very interesting indeed.

Ryan

It definitely does not display 720P natively, and I doubt that it displays 480P natively either. Look at the manual that came with the TV. It only states 480i and 1080i support.

Hi. I'm new to the forum as a registered member, but a long-time reader and fan.

The enthusiasm here for the Sanyo set was persuasive, so I got the HT32744 at Wal-Mart last Saturday. There's an awful lot to like about this set, especially as I'm coming from a ten-year old 27" ProScan (the CT169 chassis, mind you:) ), but here are my complaints/pleas for help. I'm using AVIA and the old Video Essentials DVD as well as the THX Optimizer on Raiders of the Lost Ark. I've got the TV set to manual picture, warm color, SVM off, with brightness/contrast/tint/color/sharpness set up as per AVIA, all played through a Denon 1600 progressive-scan DVD player going through the component 3 input.

1. The gamma seems wrong. The multiple white boxes in first video test in the standard THX Optimizer (on most THX DVDs) are just one big white box. On my computer I can clearly see all the boxes. I could see them clearly on the ProScan. When I go into the Sanyo service menu and adjust gamma down a couple of clicks from the factory default, I can barely see one of the little boxes, but the net effect is still one big white box. The picture suffers from this problem in that any white highlights in the picture go straight to full-on white. This adds a kind of sparkle to the picture but is not good for serious viewing. This problem may be a dealbreaker for me if I can't figure out (or be advised) how to fix it.

2. There's a fair amount of red push and a little green push too. Faces get pretty rosy at times and it's sometimes quite distracting. I've been fiddling in the service menu without too much luck so far. May be a dealbreaker.

3. The video amplifier seems to introduce noise into the upper bandwidth: 6MHz and above on various test patterns has a lot of noise. Probably not a deal breaker.

4. Geometry's actually pretty good after I've tweaked it, but there's a little upward bow on the upper left corner that's noticeable on letterboxed material. This one's liveable.

If anyone has some wisdom to pass along, I'd be grateful! Otherwise, I'll probably torment the family with a trip to BB this weekend to scope out the low-end 32" HDTV sets there, just to make sure I've done the right thing by buying the Sanyo. Aside from the red push, I really like the color, and the picture has nice depth and detail on progressive DVD material. Haven't seen HD yet; the Dish upgrade is in the mail.

Your set sounds pretty good to me. A lot of us have at least one corner with geometric issues. I have my 32" set to normal, not warm, for color. In the warm setting, I get the same Red Push and Green colors you are talking about. In Normal setting, my TV set displays amazingly accurate colors, and I am very content with it. Congratulations on your purchase.

A couple of things to add: I am assuming that you warmed up your TV before using the Video Discs to calibrate the TV, and you had set your TV to normal or Warm settings when calibrating the color and tint, right? In other words, you didn't set the TV on normal settings and then calibrated it, then turn the set to Warm settings?

Thanks for the reply. I had indeed warmed the set up for at least 30 minutes before calibrating, and I calibrated using the Warm setting. In my experience, the lowest setting is always the one nearest the 6500 Kelvin standard. If this TV is different, though, that would certainly be a point of interest, and a little unusual, as I've not heard of a set that actually allows you to go below NTSC standard for color temp.

Is there any way to confirm which setting is the one for 6500 Kelvin?

Originally posted by Slickman
Do you have the 30", or the 32":confused:

30" :)

I agree that there is no way this TV displays 720p natively. So basically, I think the response from Sanyo that the TV natively displays 480i, 480p, 720p, and 1080i is a big steaming pile of BS.

Does anyone know for sure if this TV at least displays 480p natively? From what is listed in the manual, it seems that it does not. If that is the case, then the stuff about the tv having reverse 3:2 pull down must also be BS.

If anyone knows the real truth, please provide us all with the info!

No one knows anything definitively. There's no reason why the manual will not list 480p if it does indeed support it. Our reasoning for the 3:2 pulldown was that it's very inexpensive to add this feature,and that a lot of the $30-$50 DVD players have it now, so a $800 TV should as well. Some of us, including me, have tried the test where when watching widescreen feed and raising the contrast and brightness levels, we see that they do not affect the top and bottom black bars; hence, lending credence to the believe that the TV does have 3:2 pull-down or some similar technology.

Hi everyone. I've been reading this forum ever since I picked up my 30" last Saturday, and I've got to say, you guys really know your stuff. It's very reassuring to be able to get online and pick out all these problems one by one with some help. Big kudos to Strickland for making the service manual available, too... I was really happy to see that Sanyo/Strickland made that available.

I've already made some tweaks to the TV with the service menu (VS, VPS, HS, HPO), got a three-way splitter for my digital channels, analog channels, and cable modem (still need to buy a sig. amp, though... but it can wait), and had enough time to hook up and test out my Xbox and Gamecube with it. I'm using Time Warner basic (digital) cable and the digital tuner picks up all kinds of channels. It was really a treat to realize I don't have to splurge for an OTA antenna.

I haven't noticed any of the audio sync problems that were mentioned in the other thread (hopefully everyone was right when they just assumed they were production issues). I hook all of my audio up using the optical-out on the back of the TV and the analog-out for my Gamecube, VCR, etc. All of my digital channels have been coming in as clear as a bell.

The set displays 480i, 480p, and 1080i natively. It handles my Gamecube component signal beautifully, as with my Xbox. I do have a gripe that it upconverts my Xbox's 720p signals to 1080i, but it doesn't bother me that much. It still looks pretty darn good.

The TV definitely does not like the Xbox being used as a DVD player with those component cables though. I get those vertical green lines, which are easily fixed when I switch over to my S-Video cables. I'm using both of the official M$ cables, though... for both the component and the S-Video. I think I read throughout the old thread that if you mod your Xbox to handle progressive scan the vertical bars go away, but the quality isn't worth getting excited over. Once I get the money, I'd like to buy the Momitsu V880 and give that a try through the HDMI port. If anyone has tried using a Momitsu yet, please post and let everyone know how it looks. I'm dying to know if it's having the problems reported with the other upconverting players. (Note: I only get the vertical green lines when the Xbox is being used as a DVD player... every other piece of software looks absolutely perfect)

Only things I haven't been able to fix yet are a really thin, bright, vertical white line that I see on the bottom left-corner of the set (only I'd notice it, cause I'm picky like that.... not really that noticeable though), and the fact that I get the interference near the upper-middle sides of the screen that others have mentioned in the other thread with the Xbox's dashboard being set to 480p.

I also notice this problem that was posted by RebelWax that other's mentioned as poor geometry or "barrel-rolling". Someone else mentioned that using the AVIA or DVE calibration DVD's would fix the problem, but I haven't had the money to buy either of those yet. I only notice it on HD channels that are presented in 1080i (like Discovery HD, or HD PBS), but it's definitely there. Is there anyway to quick-fix this?

Anyway, thanks a lot for all the info guys. Sorry about the mammoth post, but I just wanted to make sure everyone got all the info out of me that they could. This really is a great TV for the price, and it's the first HD set I've ever owned. I'm really hoping that since the service manual is available the set can hit an almost near-level of perfection, but the gripes are very bareable. Hope you all have been enjoying the set as much as I have.




Originally posted by RebelWax
I just purchased the 30" Sanyo and i noticed that when in "FULL" sceen mode that there is a slight "compressed" look to the left and right edges of the screen. You can only really notice it when a camera pans from left to right. I was wondering if there's anything in the service menu to adjust this or is this just normal? Here's a small example of what i mean.

4:3 mode
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If there is something in the menu to adjust this can someone point me to what it is? I looked at the menu and it's pretty cryptic. Don't want to touch much in there.

Thanks

The X-Box green bars issue is kind of bothering me because the xbox will be my DVD player atleast temporarily when I get this TV and I don't understand why it would cause green bars?? Has anyone used their XBox with the HD Pack and component connections without seeing the green bars while watching DVD's?

In my apartment at school we had a Panasonic 47" widescreen HDTV set that worked great with the xbox dvd palyer and component hook-ups.

Originally posted by investor27
Some of us, including me, have tried the test where when watching widescreen feed and raising the contrast and brightness levels, we see that they do not affect the top and bottom black bars; hence, lending credence to the believe that the TV does have 3:2 pull-down or some similar technology.

This test has nothing to do with 3:2 pulldown. What you are checking with this test is if the set compresses the vertical raster when displaying anamorphic material. This is a good thing, as you get the full vertical resolution on anamorphic material instead of scanlines being wasted on drawing black bars.

Reverse 3:2 pulldown is used to reconstruct progressive frames from the interlaced content on the DVD.

Here are some brief overviews of this topic:
http://www.dvdfile.com/news/special_report/production_a_z/3_2_pulldown.htm
http://www.projectorpeople.com/tutorials/pulldown-4.asp?page=1

ARGH! This sucks. It seems there is no way to get an official answer for this because even Sanyo itself doesn't seem to know the capabilities of their own TVs!

Originally posted by jawgee
I'm using an FX5200 with my 32" Sanyo HDTV. With the official NVIDIA 61.77 drivers, I was able to get 480p & 720p resolutions, but not a useable 1080i display. To compensate for the overscan in 720p, I used the Keystone app that came with the NVIDIA driver. However, I was getting slightly choppy video & mouse movements, so I tried out the beta Forceware 66.00 drivers. These work great to minimize the overscan, BUT it causes everything to be tall & squished horizontally. Watching recorded TV shows & XviD (widescreen) movies is fine, but I am having problems watching DVDs. The screen is slightly stretched vertically, so people look slightly taller & skinnier. It's strange that the XviD version of the movie looks fine. Does anyone know how to fix this in ZP or WinDVD 6?

Thanks,
jawgee

Thanks for your reply Jawgee, have I seen your handle over at dvbn.net?
btw, do you think the nvidia cards seem to output the pictures too dark? so you don't use powerstrip at all?

Hey svxman,

Never been to dvbn.net, but I do visit other video sites like Meedio, Videohelp, & GotTVPVR (GAM). So maybe you've seen me at those sites.

I thought that some of my XviD TV shows & movies appeared a bit dark, but that can be taken care with the NVIDIA display drivers. I don't use Powerstrip at all. Someone actually told me that Powerstrip was mainly for folks who were using an analog (component) connection to their HDTV. I'm using DVI-HDMI so I'm all digital. I have to play around more with the Forceware 66.00 driver to see if I can easily resolve my issue. If not, I may have to cry. :(

Thanks,
jawgee

So can anyone else comment on how 480p looks? 480i and 1080i look great and 720p looks pretty good, but 480p looks dorderline ******. pixels just won't hold still. Is my set defective or is this just a problem with the model?

Picture Quality:

Hi guys (gals)

I am not a gamer and don't have an Xbox, but I have a Zenith DVB-318 upconverting DVD player.

I have been ignoring the PQ discussion until I realize I can test the PQ over various input formats by feeding component signal via the Zenith. The Zenith can be set to 480p, 720p, and 1080i.

I have just tested the PQ playing Ice Age, Monster Inc., and Finding Nemo. Overall the 1080i format looks the best, but 720p and 480p are a tie (to my eyes).

I don't see any discoloration, vertical or horizonal lines and any problems. And I use the cheap component cable that came with the Zenith.

Edit: I have the 30" WS.

Could someone with the 32" please give me a height measurement of the back of the unit and perhaps one at the estimated middle of the set too (depth-wise). My room is in the attic and I have a slanted ceiling and i'm trying to figure out if will fit where I want to put it so these measurements would be much appreciated. Thanks.

Originally posted by rd001
For all you bargain hunters, Toshiba's nice new 30HF84 is on a Big Sale now at Amazon.

Sweet Deal On 30HF84 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=4297283#post4297283)

Not only is your post in the wrong thread, I believe any price other than MSRP is not allowed. Comprenday!

Originally posted by buzzly
Picture Quality:

Hi guys (gals)

I am not a gamer and don't have an Xbox, but I have a Zenith DVB-318 upconverting DVD player.

I have been ignoring the PQ discussion until I realize I can test the PQ over various input formats by feeding component signal via the Zenith. The Zenith can be set to 480p, 720p, and 1080i.

I have just tested the PQ playing Ice Age, Monster Inc., and Finding Nemo. Overall the 1080i format looks the best, but 720p and 480p are a tie (to my eyes).

I don't see any discoloration, vertical or horizonal lines and any problems. And I use the cheap component cable that came with the Zenith.

Edit: I have the 30" WS.

You can feed the 30" all the 720p you want, it gets upconverted to native 1080i. So you will never SEE 720p on this HDTV. PERIOD.
If you feed the 30" with 480i then the tv upconverts to 480p. PERIOD.
If you feed the 30" with 480p then it bypasses the deinterlacer and shows 480p. PERIOD.

SANYO HT30744 HDTV; 480p native, 1080i native. Unofficially.

It isn't easy to describe the dimensions w/o a drawing. There is a lip on the front base that extends 1" from the face of the screen so the depth from the screen face to the deepest part of the back is really less than 22". That deepest part is roughly a 10"W x 9"H rectangle that is 10" above what the TV will sit on. That 10"x9" bump is 8" below the level of the top of the TV.
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The 9" x 10" bump is centered in the 35" width but above center in height. Putting a tape measure from the back of the 5" ledge on the corner to the corner of the bump gives 22". 22" is also the width of the 10" high rectange that the bump sits above. Monospaced font may be needed, dunno.

Clear as mud?

Edited afterthought.
If you are trying to clear a slanted ceiling, there is a curve that is higher that the "picture" would indicate. If you cut a piece of cardboard into a triangle, it would fit the space above the cabinet if it were 12" along the top level, 8" along the back of the bump, and 14" along the hypotenuse. The picture makes it look like it starts to drop after 5" and you should use 10" before is starts dropping 8" to the bump.

I should add that if I hit the freeze button, 480p signals stop moving. Thsi is on hte 32" 4:3

FWIW, I'll be taking the Sanyo back today after trying it out for nearly a week. It's a good deal for the price, but in the end the contrast, red push, and video noise problems were just too much for me to live with. YMMV, of course. I also began to think that the lovely color in evenly-lighted scenes was just a little too hyped. As I went back and forth between computer monitor and set, the differences were sometimes pretty jarring. I prefer as accurate a picture as possible, and by the end I didn't think the Sanyo was quite accurate enough. I'm too far away from the towers to get an OTA digital signal, so the tuner wasn't enough to sway me, either.

With a 10% Best Buy coupon (thanks to a forum post), a $50 gift card rebate, and 18 months same as cash financing with a BB credit card, I was able to get the Sony 32HS420 for about $60 more than the Sanyo. To my eye, the Sony PQ is much better than the Sanyo's on HD, DVD, and SD. Though the color was (for want of a better word) "lusher" on the Sanyo, the color on the Sony looks more accurate to me. The picture is significantly more detailed, the contrast is fine, and the picture looks rock-solid. Blacks are especially impressive.

All of that said, I really do appreciate all the recommendations and information on the Sanyo. You good people started me on the HD trail and the results have been more than worth it! Thanks.

The 32HS420 doesn't have a built-in TV tuner. I also read somewhere that it always comes on in 16:9 regardless of the program and you have to zoom it to 4:3. This is weird if true.

The Sony doesn't have a built-in HDTV tuner. It has a standard NTSC tuner.

It displays aspect ratio correctly on everthing I've seen so far. There's some setup nuance with my new Dish 811 receiver regarding aspect ratio that I haven't figured out yet, but that was an issue on the Sanyo too so I'm thinking it's not the Sony's fault.

Speaking of satellite receivers and the Sanyo. I'm wondering if anyone has a code or if there's a code for the Sanyo remote and a Directv Tivo? The D*Tivo is a Phillips DSR704. I've tried the codes listed in the Sanyo manual for Phillips Satellite receivers but none have worked. I doubt there's a code for the combo receiver/Tivo but if anyone has one that works I'd appreciate knowing what it is.

Thanks.

Here are some different impressions of the set. I got him home, hooked him up, noticed a weird issue with red and blue dots popping up on the screen. I thought nothing of it, as when I was watching during the day I couldn't see them from my viewing distance and the material i was watching. I threw in Underworld tonight and the colorful snow was very apparent. I'm not giving up on this set, as save for this issue (I believe I got a defective set) the tv is excellent in every respect except geometry. It has a nasty pincushion in the lower right hand corner. I was actually looking foward to tinkering around with the service menu though and fixing it. If the Toshiba goes back on it's crazy sale tomorrow or the next day I'll probably buy that. Otherwise I'll go through Sanyo's till I find one that isn't defective. For what it's worth the overall picture quality on this guy is very good. It's much much much better than the panasonic 32hxc14 with everything ranging from Dish network, to dvd movies, to my xbox games. As soon as I find a Sanyo set that works, I'll be good to go. I just hope it doesn't take me more than one more tv to do it.

Here are some different impressions of the set. I got him home, hooked him up, noticed a weird issue with red and blue dots popping up on the screen. I thought nothing of it, as when I was watching during the day I couldn't see them from my viewing distance and the material i was watching. I threw in Underworld tonight and the colorful snow was very apparent. I'm not giving up on this set, as save for this issue (I believe I got a defective set) the tv is excellent in every respect except geometry. It has a nasty pincushion in the lower right hand corner. I was actually looking foward to tinkering around with the service menu though and fixing it. If the Toshiba goes back on it's crazy sale tomorrow or the next day I'll probably buy that. Otherwise I'll go through Sanyo's till I find one that isn't defective. For what it's worth the overall picture quality on this guy is very good. It's much much much better than the panasonic 32hxc14 with everything ranging from Dish network, to dvd movies, to my xbox games. As soon as I find a Sanyo set that works, I'll be good to go. I just hope it doesn't take me more than one more tv to do it.

Originally posted by jefft1314
Here are some different impressions of the set. I got him home, hooked him up, noticed a weird issue with red and blue dots popping up on the screen.

You too? I assumed this was an issue with my DVD player since I have this issue on DVD and I'm running high quality Belkin Component cables. On what sources do you notice the dots and to what degree? On dark scenes or in between scenes they're definately noticable on mine. I'll have to check other sources.

Damn, I was really hoping that I was the only one who had this issue. I can tell you that I can see it on any source, but it's especially noticable when scenes change on a dvd/it goes black, it's also much easier to notice at night. This is unfortunately something I can't live with, and the set is being returned. I really don't want a 30 inch widescreen tv, but if the toshiba sale happens again I may be forced to go that route. I suppose worst case scenario is I get a 32 inch analog tv which has vertical compression. Would save me a few hundred dollars and since I can't get any hd in my situation, it might not be a bad solution.

I've had my Sanyo 32" now since the 20th of last month. I seem to remember a question about Closed Captioning. Well, I'm watching the US Open OTA on WCBS-DT02.1. There is closed captioning for this event (real time!). Amazing..
I'm using Philips component cables purchased at Walmart hooked up to a Dish 6000. I also have a Dish 508 DVR hooked up using S-Video (also Philips). No HDMI source yet. Now for some sharpness observations with scan velocity turned off:
OTA analog Sharp
OTA ditgital Extremely sharp
Component
HD Programming (Dish receiver set to 1080i output) Extremely Sharp
SD Programming (Dish receiver set to 1080i output) Fuzzy compared to all the above
Composite via S-Video1 (from Dish PVR) Way better than SD above
I may try a second S-video feed from the 6000 - but I'm not sure it will support 2 simultaneous video format output. Life's a compromise.
I've already deleted all OTA channels from my Dish 6000 as the SANYO is way more sensitive to weak signals. OTA viewing is now enjoyable - no more pixelating. Of course the 6000 is a first generation STB that I've had for more than 3 years.. I guess you can't have it all.
I've yet to enter the service menu - as the set has a decent picture using the Standard menu options.
Thanks to all contributers in helping me decide on this TV.

I don't understand why everyone turns scan velocity off, it makes the words on my TV look way sharper:confused:

it creates artificial edges around things, that's basically it. For instance when I'm playing nfl 2k5 with scan velocity on the players are actually a little bit wider because of the artificial lines that svm create. In general you would want it turned off for everything except maybe 480i (sattelite) and 320i (analog). For video games/dvd's/hd content svm adds something to the picture that isn't needed.

Originally posted by jefft1314
it creates artificial edges around things, that's basically it. For instance when I'm playing nfl 2k5 with scan velocity on the players are actually a little bit wider because of the artificial lines that svm create. In general you would want it turned off for everything except maybe 480i (sattelite) and 320i (analog). For video games/dvd's/hd content svm adds something to the picture that isn't needed.

I guess it's kind of a trade off then because menus and words look phenomenal but it messes up other stuff. Then again I haven't seen any 480p or higher signal sent to my TV because my component wires for my XBOX are messed up, so maybe in 480p or higher it really doesn't make much of a difference.

Decided to make some adjustments to the geometry of my 32" today. When i first went into the service menu a few weeks ago I was confused as to what adjustments to make to the binary code for each of the items. It turns out that it is very easy to play with. I started with horizontal centering...I needed to move the entire picture about 1/2-3/4 inches to the right. When you find the item you want to adjust, you'll see a 8-digit binary code. Use the numbers 7-0 on the remote to flip the digits (from left to right) back and forth between 1 and 0. So, the 7 key changes the left-most digit back and forth, the 0 key flips the right-most digit. What I found is that the left most digit makes the biggest adjustment with each digit following making a smaller adjustment. So the more to the right you are in the binary string, the finer the adjustment. If the first digit makes too much of an adjustment but the next digit too small of an adjustment you can combine changes...shift 1/2 inch right and then 1/8 inch left for example. It's really more intuitive when you sit down and play with it...trial and error. Anyway, the same concept works for all the geometry adjustments.

Horizontal centering: 1=left 0=right
Vert centering: 1=up 0=down
Pinamp: 1=expand middle 0=squeez middle
Pinphase: 1=expand bottom 0=squeez top
UCP2: 1=expand top 0=squeez top
UCP2: 1=expand bottom 0=squeez bottom

Check page 17 in the service manual for pictures of each adjustment.

I agree the service menu isn't that difficult to work with, i messed around with mine today (knowing full well i'm going to return it) and I didn't at all manage to mess up anything. I think I actually made the geometry better prety significantly, it's still not perfect, but it's definitely no worse than any other tv i've seen now. Too bad I get all this colorful snow on the screen, otherwise it would defintiely be a keeper.

Originally posted by jefft1314
I agree the service menu isn't that difficult to work with, i messed around with mine today (knowing full well i'm going to return it) and I didn't at all manage to mess up anything. I think I actually made the geometry better prety significantly, it's still not perfect, but it's definitely no worse than any other tv i've seen now. Too bad I get all this colorful snow on the screen, otherwise it would defintiely be a keeper.

I can only see this colorful snow on DVD via component in between scenes when it's very dark. I first noticed it when using Avia to detect noise. Has anyone else noticed this snow issue on any inputs? Hopefully this is a rare issue.

As nobody else has reported it it's probably a rarity on the sets or has something to do with our setups. Though when I unplugged everything in my room and just had my tv and dvd player plugged in and on I still got the same problem. I was thinking it could be a dirty power issue? But this is pretty serious "noise" to the point where I don't think it qualifies as "noise" anymore, i.e. it's something i've never seen or heard of on any other tv's.

Jeff - I'm still questioning whether it's an issue w/ my DVD player or the component inputs on the Sanyo. I'm running a JVC XV-FA95BK. You? Can't be my cables - I've tried multiple high quality sets with no improvement. I don't believe it's a power issue because I turned out all the lights last night and couldn't see the noise on analog or digital TV. Though admittedly, it's hard to find extended dark scenes on cable but I tried using screen freeze on dark scenes and saw no noise. I haven't tried S-video or HDMI. If you exchange your set let me know if you find the issue resolved. If so, I'll do the same - On DVD the noise is definitely annoying.

I have noticed this colored snow on my set as well. At first I thought it was the DVD player, but after 3 different players, I'm convinced that this probably has nothing to do with it. On two of the players, the snow is visible regardless of whether it is set to interlaced or progressive. The third player (non-progressive) looks fine...which throws another piece into the puzzle.

I will also say that while visible, the noise is not particularly annoying and it's not too pronounced on my set (this could also be due to the fact that I sit 10 feet away).

Question about all these "snow" reports. Are you all using component connections? Has anyone tried switching to S-video or DVI, or turning off progressive mode on your DVD player to see if the snow goes away? It might be worth a little trouble shooting to see if we can't narrow it down. Seems the Xbox problems are always related to component connections too. I have my cable box connected via component with no problems, but I haven't actually looked for snow.

Yes, this is using component cables. I intially thought it could be my cables, but I just read the post where someone had tried several sets.

I have tried with both progressive scan on and off and I get the same result on those two players. As mentioned, the third (Magnavox MDV421) does not show the snow...and it is also connected via component.:confused:

I have not tried DVI, but S-Video looks like it may solve the snow problem...unfortunately I'm not happy with the picture quality after using component for so long now.

Would love to hear other's findings...

It's extremely noticable on dark scenes with my dvd player (btw is a pioneer 563a with really cheap component video cables) but it's also quite visable on my sattelite which is run through s-video. I sit about 5-6 feet away from the set and the snow is very distracting. I'm actually having second thoughts about having an hd set anyway, as I hardly ever watch tv. If only video games and movies didn't look so damn good on hdtv sets.

I can confirm the snow doesn't occur on digital TV OTA. I can only see it on DVD over component and have no cables to check other inputs. I can confirm that it's there in both 480i and 480p. Mine isn't terrible, but it is noticeable when scenes fade to black.

Tip: The screen freeze button is a great way to see this issue.

So this would suggest that it is either a source problem (probably not since several folks report it with various DVD players) or a connection problem (component connections seem to be the culprit). Does anyone notice this problem with component connections coming from a cable box like the Moto 6200?

Originally posted by housecor
I can confirm the snow doesn't occur on digital TV OTA. I can only see it on DVD over component and have no cables to check other inputs. I can confirm that it's there in both 480i and 480p. Mine isn't terrible, but it is noticeable when scenes fade to black.

Tip: The screen freeze button is a great way to see this issue.

Originally posted by TH3_FRB
So this would suggest that it is either a source problem (probably not since several folks report it with various DVD players) or a connection problem (component connections seem to be the culprit). Does anyone notice this problem with component connections coming from a cable box like the Moto 6200?

I just got my HD cable box yesterday and it's hooked up via component and I have no problems at all. No snowlike effects or anything like that. BTW, the HD stuff looks WAY better than I thought it would. :eek: The cable box I got is a Motorola so it's probably the one your talking about. Oh, and BTW, I have the 32".

It could also be that the snow issue only occurs on 480i and 480p which would point to some internal set issue. I've yet to hear anyone report this snow on anything but these resolutions. It could be that analog cable has enough noise to mask the snow, but 480i or 480p from DVD is clear enough to display the snow problem. Does anyone have an upconverting DVD to see if the issue occurs on 1080i or 720p via component or other inputs?

Yep, my cable is fine over component from a Moto STB. They just activated the DVI port a week or so ago and I haven't had a chance try it out yet.

Originally posted by Slickman
I just got my HD cable box yesterday and it's hooked up via component and I have no problems at all. No snowlike effects or anything like that. BTW, the HD stuff looks WAY better than I thought it would. :eek: The cable box I got is a Motorola so it's probably the one your talking about. Oh, and BTW, I have the 32".

I know my locat OTA DTV broadcasts are 480i/p sometimes. Those folks with the snow should search out a 480i/p OTA broadcast and give it a close look...might narrow the problem down to 480i/p over component. That actually brings up a point...isn't DVD over S-video 480i, and didn't someone say that the snow is gone over S-video?

Originally posted by housecor
It could also be that the snow issue only occurs on 480i and 480p which would point to some internal set issue. I've yet to hear anyone report this snow on anything but these resolutions. It could be that analog cable has enough noise to mask the snow, but 480i or 480p from DVD is clear enough to display the snow problem. Does anyone have an upconverting DVD to see if the issue occurs on 1080i or 720p via component or other inputs?

I do not see any snow over s-video, however switching my DVD player between interlaced to progressive over component yields snowy results regardless of setting. My OTA broadcasts look fine.

I have snow over s-video, though I appear to be the only one. At any rate, I won't be able to live with this set if I get this colorful snow on any input.

I did a Dogpile search and found your forums. I happened to be killing some time in a Walmart and saw the Sanyo. I'm getting a small check shortly, and was going to sink the money into a TV (I'm watching a 13" TV/DVD combo now--I'm away from home for a while and left the 25" TV with the wife and kids). Had about $700 (not including Tax) budgeted for a nice TV--so the $750 is close enough.

I had my mind set on the 30" Widescreen Philips at Costco ($700), but saw the Sanyo on display at WallyWorld.

Now, I tried to piece some answers together from the long threads here, but missed a few (sorry if they were buried in this 9 page thread or the 64 page original thread and I missed them).

So, a few questions, if you don't mind:

#1--I gather that I can take my ComCast cable box back to Comcast and use this TV as a self-contained unit. However, can I utilize the same menus and "On-Demand" movies that I get with the Digital cable now?

#2--How big is the box? (not the TV but the box itself, I just want to be sure the TV will fit into the back of my 2dr. Explorer.)

#3--For you Wal Mart employees--How can I call to the store and check availability? SKU? I have at least 3 Walmarts within driving distance, but they are about 20 minutes from my house in opposite directions. Hate to drive to all 3 to find one in stock.

#4--I had considered the Widescreen version, but (please correct me if I am wrong), without getting too technical, the 32" will put up approximately a 29.5" Widescreen image (most of my DVDs are Widescreen), but the 30" Widescreen will only put up an approximately 25" Standard (4:3) image unless you stretch the image (cause some distortion)?

#5--Being significantly bigger than the 13" TV (and heavier), I'd need a new Stand or Cabinet/Entertainment Center. I had considered getting a 27" TV (as they are easier to fit into nice looking entertainment centers), but I realize I don't care so much about the furniture if I can get a bigger TV image. So--can anyone recommend an inexpensive, SOLID, reasonably nice looking Entertainment Ctr. or Stand that will hold these TVs and about 6 components (VCR, Receiver, Tape Deck, DVD--a rather tall Kenwood changer, Turntable, and maybe Cable Box--depending on the answer to #1 above). I didn't want to spend $$$ on a TV, then add $$ just to get it off the ground in my apartment. I'm near Pittsburgh, so I have some access to major retail stores (and an IKEA).

#6--And, finally, the original thread is over several months old--I haven't even begun to search other, newer threads to see if there are any better deals out there.

Thanks for your patience with a newcomer!!

AFARR

Originally posted by AFARR
I did a Dogpile search and found your forums. I happened to be killing some time in a Walmart and saw the Sanyo. I'm getting a small check shortly, and was going to sink the money into a TV (I'm watching a 13" TV/DVD combo now--I'm away from home for a while and left the 25" TV with the wife and kids). Had about $700 (not including Tax) budgeted for a nice TV--so the $750 is close enough.

I had my mind set on the 30" Widescreen Philips at Costco ($700), but saw the Sanyo on display at WallyWorld.

Now, I tried to piece some answers together from the long threads here, but missed a few (sorry if they were buried in this 9 page thread or the 64 page original thread and I missed them).

So, a few questions, if you don't mind:

#1--I gather that I can take my ComCast cable box back to Comcast and use this TV as a self-contained unit. However, can I utilize the same menus and "On-Demand" movies that I get with the Digital cable now?

#2--How big is the box? (not the TV but the box itself, I just want to be sure the TV will fit into the back of my 2dr. Explorer.)

#3--For you Wal Mart employees--How can I call to the store and check availability? SKU? I have at least 3 Walmarts within driving distance, but they are about 20 minutes from my house in opposite directions. Hate to drive to all 3 to find one in stock.

#4--I had considered the Widescreen version, but (please correct me if I am wrong), without getting too technical, the 32" will put up approximately a 29.5" Widescreen image (most of my DVDs are Widescreen), but the 30" Widescreen will only put up an approximately 25" Standard (4:3) image unless you stretch the image (cause some distortion)?

#5--Being significantly bigger than the 13" TV (and heavier), I'd need a new Stand or Cabinet/Entertainment Center. I had considered getting a 27" TV (as they are easier to fit into nice looking entertainment centers), but I realize I don't care so much about the furniture if I can get a bigger TV image. So--can anyone recommend an inexpensive, SOLID, reasonably nice looking Entertainment Ctr. or Stand that will hold these TVs and about 6 components (VCR, Receiver, Tape Deck, DVD--a rather tall Kenwood changer, Turntable, and maybe Cable Box--depending on the answer to #1 above). I didn't want to spend $$$ on a TV, then add $$ just to get it off the ground in my apartment. I'm near Pittsburgh, so I have some access to major retail stores (and an IKEA).

#6--And, finally, the original thread is over several months old--I haven't even begun to search other, newer threads to see if there are any better deals out there.

Thanks for your patience with a newcomer!!

AFARR

#1 If the digital cable channels are broadcast in clear QAM, then this tv will be able to tune them. You wont have all the fancy features of your cable box.

#2 I can't give specifics, but its about 2 feet deep, 3.5-4ft wide, and about 3 foot tall. Thats for the 30". The 32" will be taller, but its been a while since i've handled on, so I dont remember the size

#3 I'd just say call and ask about it before you drive there. I don't work for a few days, so I don't have the exact upc that you need.

#4 your correct

#5 I don't know furniture that well to comment, but i'm sure you can find something that will work.

#6 I'm not aware of any at the time. Usually the manufacturers put out the new models in the summer, so I think for the time being, this is still considered a good deal.

Hope you end up with something you like.
Ryan

Originally posted by AFARR

#2--How big is the box? (not the TV but the box itself, I just want to be sure the TV will fit into the back of my 2dr. Explorer.)

#3--For you Wal Mart employees--How can I call to the store and check availability?

#6--And, finally, the original thread is over several months old--I haven't even begun to search other, newer threads to see if there are any better deals out there.

AFARR

2) The 32" HT32744 box is 31.5 H x 39" L x 27.25" D. I picked 32" because of your #4 ?

3) There isn't a SKU on the box or my receipt, just the UPC #. I phoned local WalMarts asking if they had a Sanyo HT32744 and they were all able to say yes/no.

6) Better deals is hard to say. If you aren't going to use OTA and can just keep the Comcast box, you don't need the built in digital tuner and that opens lots of possibilities. See "Sweet deal on Toshiba 30HF84" - but it is a 30" WS, not a 4:3 set (and no 32HF84 announced). I recently looked at a Samsung TXP3275 because it would have better speakers and an integrated Program Guide of the digital channels. I came away appreciating the Sanyo more. I still get a lot of 4:3 content that is broadcast 720p or 1080i and on the Sanyo, I can zoom the picture to fill the screen instead of bars on all 4 sides. Couldn't do that on the Samsung 3271 or 3275. If it had, I might have been willing to pay an extra $150 for the Samsung. All depends on your real "needs" - not many with ATSC tuners in them and none at this price. If you can spend twice as much, you can get something much nicer with a Sony.

Get out your receipts, at my local Walmart the price just dropped $50 on both the 32" and the 30" to $697! Hasn't changed on walmart.com yet so i'm not sure if it's company wide or not but won't hurt you guys to check.

Originally posted by T-Smooth
Get out your receipts, at my local Walmart the price just dropped $50 on both the 32" and the 30" to $697! Hasn't changed on walmart.com yet so i'm not sure if it's company wide or not but won't hurt you guys to check.

I have my receipt and I just got mine last week, is there any way I can get the $50 back:confused:

Does Wal-Mart offer something similar to BB or CC's price protection? It'd be nice to just show the receipt and get the difference.

Wow! I thought that would be a Xmas Price so maybe the before or just after Xmas Price will be even Lower :D & I'm looking to buy around the 1st of the year :)

Hi everyone, this is my first post. I just picked up a philips 32pt8320 (32" 4:3) for $699 and I love the picture, but it only has 1 hd input which is really a bummer and it doesnt have a built in tuner. I think Im going to take it back and get the sanyo, but I have 2 questions if anyone can help me:

1. Has anyone had experience with a Philips tv similar to mine to tell me if the PQ is as good or better with the Sanyo?

2. Can someone tell me the width of the whole set? Sanyo's site says 35" but I gotta be sure because I have exactly 36" in my entertainment center.

TIA

Originally posted by housecor
Does Wal-Mart offer something similar to BB or CC's price protection? It'd be nice to just show the receipt and get the difference.

I'm not sure if it is a company wide policy, but usually within 30 days, we'll give you the difference back.

Ryan

Huh, well since walmart has at least a 30 day return gurantee for whatever reason, if you just got your tv last week, you could return it and then rebuy it for 700. Of course, that would probably be more of a hassle to walmart than anything, so more than likely they'll just refund your money to you. I would be wary of returning your set though if it doesn't have any problems, chances of you picking up one with this colorful snow issue seem decent, and picking up one with terrible geometry is almost guaranteed. This means there's only a 300 dollar price difference between the analog and hd sanyo set. I have to rethink whether I want to bump down to the sd set or not.

Originally posted by Ja'Man
Hi everyone, this is my first post. I just picked up a philips 32pt8320 (32" 4:3) for $699 and I love the picture, but it only has 1 hd input which is really a bummer and it doesnt have a built in tuner. I think Im going to take it back and get the sanyo, but I have 2 questions if anyone can help me:

1. Has anyone had experience with a Philips tv similar to mine to tell me if the PQ is as good or better with the Sanyo?

2. Can someone tell me the width of the whole set? Sanyo's site says 35" but I gotta be sure because I have exactly 36" in my entertainment center.

TIA

I can answer your 2nd question. My entertainment armoire is a bit less than 36" wide & the Sanyo 32" TV fit with about a quarter inch to spare on both sides. I think the TV actually measures about 35.5" wide.

jawgee

thanks Jawgee, can ne1 comment on the PQ compared to the Philips?

I fit it (32" in the box) in the back of a Jeep Wrangler with the rear seat out. It was tight but it fit.


Originally posted by jawgee
I can answer your 2nd question. My entertainment armoire is a bit less than 36" wide & the Sanyo 32" TV fit with about a quarter inch to spare on both sides. I think the TV actually measures about 35.5" wide.

jawgee

Originally posted by oryan_dunn
I'm not sure if it is a company wide policy, but usually within 30 days, we'll give you the difference back.

Ryan

When I went there with my receipt today, the woman said she could give back the difference in the first week only. I purchased nearly two months ago but have another month to return mine for the original purchase price and immediately buy another for the reduced price. They didn't have one in stock. I can take my chances that an open box return will become available as well as take my chances that a brand new one might have issues that my current one doesn't. The woman was very nice and said there was no problem with a physical return to save the $50. Seems like there SHOULD be a company wide policy that is different than requiring a physical return. Maybe the size & weight would make people not do it, but now I'm a little ticked.

It's not that difficult to physically return...at least not enough to discourage me from doing it. $50 is still $50 and WalMart is just down the road...it'll take a total of an hour out of my day...and I need to get some other crap at Wally World anyway :D

Just buy a new one, and return it with the old receipt. No worries about problems if your set is working just fine.

Just a thought.....

Darn, I got mine last Friday so I could have brought the receipt in today and get the money but I can't find it. Looks like I can't get the money. :(

Originally posted by ghoulie
TH3_FRB, thanks for starting this thread!

I have read all the posts from the other thread concerning the Sanyo HT 30744/32744. I have the HT30744 and find it to be a decent deal. However, it does have one flaw. There is a tilt issue. My screen is tilted towards the left and is very obvious especially when watching letter-box. I know that in the initial thread there was no way to correct tilt, at least in the service menu. I was just hoping that all of our options for correcting tilt issues were exhausted. I don't want to return my set if there is a fix for the tilt out there.

This is also my issue and I can't find a fix for it either. I actually made a seperate thread for the issue with no luck. I have the 32" also so I guess this issue is not just with the 30"s. I can live with it if there is no fix but it'd be better if I could find a fix.

The cable guy just put "better lines in" and told me that something is throwing current back to the junction box after a couple minutes he said that it was my nice new tv. He said that I should use the composite hook ups on the cable box to get a better picture and eliminate the feedback. I have digital cable but not high def. Anyone having this problem? Is this normal? What should I do to resolve this?

So your Sanyo is sending current back out through the coax input? You should be using component (or better yet DVI) connections from your cable box anyway. Even S-video is better then coax.

crappy digital box only has composite out or coax out... would the composite be better than coax?

Woof. I just waded through 50 pages of the old thread, and the 10 pages of this new thread on the Sanyo HT30744. I was pretty active in the discussion way back in June, but sorta got sidetracked from reading, and now I'm back about 3 months later ;)

I last left the conversation with discussion regarding the TV and Xbox. Actually, this could apply to Gamecube as well, where the console is connected through either of the Component Inputs on the TV. Here are the issues outstanding issues that I see (and apparently have not found a good solution after catching up on 2 hours of back posts):

** Game console when attached through Component Inputs **

1) 480i output shows vertical green bars.
2) 480p output shows horizontal distortion at three distinct areas of the screen: upper, middle and lower areas.

Problem #1 persists mostly in DVD playback, mainly due to the fact that most Xbox owners who are using the HiDef AV pack have set their Display options in the Dashboard to 480p/720p/1080i output. By doing so, Problem 2 persists.

In short, when playing GAMES, you WILL experience either Problem 1 or Problem 2 (not both). However, since DVD playback ONLY displays in 480i, you will experience Problem 1 any time you playback DVDs.

So far, no luck in finding a solution for this. Problem 2 bugs me more than Problem 1 (I don't use my Xbox to watch movies), but neither is desirable, obviously.

Danny (contemplating returning this TV to Walmart after owning it for 3 months)

i just got this from walmart a few days ago. i got component cables (acoustic research) to hook up my dvd player to the tv and get snow when enabling the connection.... this snow almost makes the video unwatchable its so bad.

s-video w/ the dvd player looks completely fine and OTA HD channels look fine too (wonderful at that)

is this a cable/dvd player/tv problem? i'm debating whether to try and return this and get another one, thinking its a tv problem

any help would be appreciated


updated:
i tried a monster cable component with this setup and the same white snowy lines are showing... :(

Originally posted by finger11


updated:
i tried a monster cable component with this setup and the same white snowy lines are showing... :(

I'd take the DVD player, component cableS, and your remote to WalMart. Maybe even bring your own extension cord. If you don't get snow on their display Sanyo, return the TV. If you do, plug it in to something else, borrow one of their DVD players, ... If you've never used the DVD player w/ component before, you may be missing a piece that fully enables the component output. I have an old JVC DVD that puts out a really poor display on component / S-video, whichever isn't selected.

Just easier to cart a DVD player to another TV than cart the TV to the store before you know it is the TV.

thanks for the advice! ... i might try that out tonite or tomorrow evening...

Originally posted by bhenley
I have an old JVC DVD that puts out a really poor display on component / S-video, whichever isn't selected.




what do you mean by this? i have a video selector switch on the back off my dvd player, pioneer 525 (manufactured in '99), that either puts the video out on the s-video/composite or component outputs.

Originally posted by finger11

what do you mean by this? i have a video selector switch on the back off my dvd player, pioneer 525 (manufactured in '99), that either puts the video out on the s-video/composite or component outputs.

A switch is pretty intuitive<G>. I have to push and hold the front panel Stop button for 5 seconds for it to display a C or S and keep holding it to toggle to the other. While S-video is selected, the component cables aren't "black" but a crappy picture (mostly blue IIRC). Not likely your problem unless flipping your switch doesn't change the display when you select Component 1. You've probably tried the other component connection. Got a neighbor with component DVD player? Do you have a menu choice to toggle between interlace and progressive? Outta ideas.

The walmart people shouldn't have a problem with you bringing in your own dvd player. Lots less work for us if we don't have to get another tv down. :) I haven't noticed any snow at all on either of our display models, but maybe you have to have it in a dark environment to see it? And I also noticed that the price droped to $697. That is probably a nationwide drop.

no it's is very noticable...with or without lights on... it looks terrible pretty much .. i did try both component inputs...

Very odd that this snow problem has only been reported recently :confused:

ok, i just remembered the 3rd dvd player in the house has component... how i forgot there was a 3rd? i have no idea... but i hooked it up w/ component and popped in Nemo and it looked fine, so im guessing its my old ass dvd player.

anyone got any suggestions for a cheap dvd player that works well with this tv? =) wouldnt mind a multidisc player..thanks guys!

Interesting...seems to imply that some DVD players do something different then others...but what and how the hell do we know before actually buying one? And what about Xbox and game cube...must be something similar to the older DVD players. The solution for DVD is probably to pick up a new ub=nit with DVI/HDMI output and just go completely digital.

yea i would think just get one that has HDMI... but what if i get direct tv or digital/hd cable later on? (most likely in about 3 months when i move out) wouldnt i want that on the HDMI port?

Well, you'll have to pick one or the other. We haven't heard any reports of trouble with component connections and STBs...my Moto HD box works great with component...so you could just run the DVD through DVI/HDMI and the STB through component.

My SA3250 HD box from Time Warner/Brighthouse works great through component input for HD signals, but everything else looks bad. I can see a bunch of vertical white lines when watching standard feed. I would switch to channel 3 to watch these instead.

Anyway, I have a problem that I haven't been able to fix for about a month now since I have the 32", and was hoping someone here can help. I have played with all the settings under the service menu thoroughly, but I just could not fix the slight-moderate convexity in the lower 1/3 of the TV. The lower 1/3 of the TV would cave upward in the middle of the TV. So if I'm using a Cross Pattern test, I would see all the lines in the lower 1/3 of the TV forming a hump in the middle.

Does anybody know how to bring this part back down while keeping the left and right parts perfectly horizontal? Thanks.

Please note that NOT every Wal-Mart has this new price.

The Wal-Mart where i bought my Sanyo still has the 747 price.

A Wal-Mart 10 miles down has the road has the newer 697 price.

My wal-mart would not price match another wal-mart!!

Love the TV, happy with the price, but mad that now they are selling it for even cheaper and will not give my my money back.

As a single person, this TV is too heavy to be moving around! I will keep it unless wal-mart has a 36" 4:3 HD TV out in the next two months.

Hey did anyone confrim that All Sanyos have a 1 year return policy.

My Super Wal-mart said that there was on a 90 day refund on the Sanyo's.

Price changes like that only take effect when the department manager goes through and makes new labels and marks them off the list of price changes. Once that list is finalized, then the price will be changed in their system. The price changes will come through, but the dept manager must act for them to take effect. So in that one stores case, the dept manager probably didn't go through that list of price changes yet. I forget where, but someone in the old thread had proof somewhere of that 1 year policy.

Ryan

Originally posted by BuddTX
Please note that NOT every Wal-Mart has this new price.

The Wal-Mart where i bought my Sanyo still has the 747 price.

A Wal-Mart 10 miles down has the road has the newer 697 price.

My wal-mart would not price match another wal-mart!!



could you try to bring your reciept to the lower priced wal-mart and get a price match?

the first store i went to said it was 697, then i went to another one that had it in stock. they had it for 747 and i told them to call the other store cause they said it was 697 but the other store then said it was 747 :mad:

It's not a 1-year return policy. There is a 90-day return policy...you can return it for ANY reason. The warranty period is 1 year and you can bring it back to the store for a replacement within that year if something craps out. I think the owners manual states the warranty return policy. You might have to get the WalMart manager to chat with a Sanyo rep...I can understand them not knowing about this odd warranty policy.


Originally posted by BuddTX
Please note that NOT every Wal-Mart has this new price.

The Wal-Mart where i bought my Sanyo still has the 747 price.

A Wal-Mart 10 miles down has the road has the newer 697 price.

My wal-mart would not price match another wal-mart!!

Love the TV, happy with the price, but mad that now they are selling it for even cheaper and will not give my my money back.

As a single person, this TV is too heavy to be moving around! I will keep it unless wal-mart has a 36" 4:3 HD TV out in the next two months.

Hey did anyone confrim that All Sanyos have a 1 year return policy.

My Super Wal-mart said that there was on a 90 day refund on the Sanyo's.

Didn't we all said that it would be a two-year warranty on this TV instead? And does anyone else have an idea as to how I may be able to fix the hump distortion in the middle of the lower half of the TV?

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Don't recall any talk about a 2-year warranty. 2 years is fairly rare aside from Sony XBR and other high-end units. I used my AMEX though so I get an extra year anyway.

Don't know of any way to fix your problem using the service menu...maybe something internal that an ISF tech could tweak?

Okay. Thanks TH3. If anything ever comes across your rada on the issue, please let me know. I can help out with quite a lot of geometric distortion problems, too, so don't hesitate to send people my way if you are too inundated with email-calls-for-help.

has anyone tried using a DVI->HDMI cable with a HTPC? i've been thinking about just making a HTPC w/ HDTV so i can record shows and upscale dvd movies to this TV...

but i've been reading that some (all?) HDMI capable tv's shouldn't be hooked up via a DVI->HDMI cable because they are simply not made for connections to computers... anyone know more about this subject?

thanks!

im interested in DVI->HDMI myself as I assumed this would be the best quality. Finger11, what did you hear exactly? Wouldnt hurt the tv or computer in any way hope!

HDMI doens't produce better PQ than Component cables, merely equal. Some have found component cables actually produce a superior picture.

Well I purchased a new Progressive scan dvd player, Samsung DVD-P241,

I hooked it up through component video and the picture is pink. All of the connections are tight. I switched to just the RCA video out and it looks fine. My old DVD was a non progressive one, and it had component video with no problems.

Any idea? Think there is something in the DVD player sevice menu, I would need to adjust?

I'd make sure the DVD player has the output setting set correctly. Make sure it is set to component or whatever Samsung may call it in the menu.

Originally posted by Amigo-2k
Well I purchased a new Progressive scan dvd player, Samsung DVD-P241,

I hooked it up through component video and the picture is pink. All of the connections are tight. I switched to just the RCA video out and it looks fine. My old DVD was a non progressive one, and it had component video with no problems.

Any idea? Think there is something in the DVD player sevice menu, I would need to adjust?

Originally posted by housecor
HDMI doens't produce better PQ than Component cables, merely equal. Some have found component cables actually produce a superior picture.

so it doesn't matter that HDMI/DVI is pure digital while component isnt? i thought i read you can't do HD resolutions w/ component... then again i just started into all this HDTV stuff so i very well could be completely off.

i'm pretty much going on what everyone else is saying here.

but i read that HDMI wasn't made for pc -> here

http://forums.snapstream.com/vb/archive/index.php/t-16782.html

" have a sony HDTV and tried to hook my HTPC to it via DVI, it clearly states in the manual that the DVI/HDMI socket is not made for personal computers which is correct. I did get a picture from my FX5200 but it was so badly overscanned I could not see a lot of the screen, in the end I changed the vid card to a 9800 Pro and used the ATI Component Dongle and it all worked perfectly."

but if you can do upscaling/HD resolutions with component, and have a ATI card, that dongle is the way to go??
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this is really intriguing me as im gonna have an extra radeon vid card/cpu/mobo i could dedicate as a HTPC and use as a tivo/dvd player.. and if i used the component input on my tv, i would pretty much waste the HDMI port ... gaaah ... i dunon what to do.(if you have a HTPC with a regular sound card, you wouldnt get optical audio out either.. just analog of s/pdif or whatever kind of output that is...

i probably sound like an idiot, but i admit i dunno much about this stuff... any advice would be appreciated! thanks :) :) :)

You definitly read wrong, component definitly does support high definition

ya... but its analog not digital :cool:

The only thing that is different from component inputs and HDMI inputs is that HDMI carries full digital sound with the same connection. I have yet to see a better image created between the DVI-HDMI and component inputs significant enough to warrant a change.

As for the fellow with the component inputs giving pink colors: Check to make sure that you have the right order when plugging in the three jacks (red on bottom, blue in the middle, and green on top). If you are color-blind, get a female to help you out. No insult intended. Just trying to help out.

HDMI in theory should look better because it avoids a digital to analog conversion required for analog component connections. In reality - no notable diff for most.

OK, I was about ready to say that DVI and HDMI ARE better than Component Video.

I was even going to post an article to prove my point! (http://www.projectorpeople.com/tutorials/HDCP_DVI.asp)

And I DO still think than an all digital connection is prefered, (Component Video is analog) based on all the posts that I have read.

However, before posting I re-read the article, and sure enough, component video DOES support HD, up to 1080i.

Here is a quote from the above mentioned article:

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Can I watch HDTV without a DVI connection on my projector?
Yes. Using a component video (YPbPr analog) input you can still watch HDTV content. If the video source (DVD player or cable box) is able, you can watch video as high as 1080i with this type of connection. The primary difference between the two types of connections is that component video will be a converted analog signal rather than a pure digital signal.

A high-definition analog signal still looks immensely better than a regular analog broadcast signal. Particularly when viewed on a large screen. In some cases, an analog image will often look as good (and sometimes better) than a digital signal.
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Here is another good article about DVI, HDMI, HDCP, and other connections (http://www.digiupdate.com/G002_DVI_HDMI_and_HDCP.html#_Toc64160510)

So, I guess the end result, is if you have DVI or HDMI, use it, and you will have a pure digital connection to your monitor.

If you do not have DVI or HDMI, and you have a high end DVD player, know that the component video cable connection, while analog, is delivering ALL the video to your monitor, up to 1080i.

I would think that cable quality, (and cost) would be less with DVI and HDMI, as it is digital, and it either does or does not work, whereas with Component, cable quality IS an issue, and of course, can be very expensive.

Of course, as with any cable, a well made cable is better than a cheaply made cable, as kinks and breaks and damage can occur to any cheap cable, analog or digial, and cause it to not work, so it is prudent to get a well made cable, but again, the cable will either work or not work, there will be no "better picture" if you get a cable made by virgin nymphs at midnight, using 99.999999% pure dilithium, found on an astroid and hidden in area 51!

the article in your 2nd link states that there is a "night and day difference in PQ when we switch from component to DVI (or HDMI) connections" ... so what gives? :confused: :confused: :confused:

Originally posted by Amigo-2k
Well I purchased a new Progressive scan dvd player, Samsung DVD-P241,

I hooked it up through component video and the picture is pink. All of the connections are tight. I switched to just the RCA video out and it looks fine. My old DVD was a non progressive one, and it had component video with no problems.

Any idea? Think there is something in the DVD player sevice menu, I would need to adjust? I bought the same DVD player for my 30" Sanyo and got the same pink screen. The P241 ships w/ S-Video selected as the default output; in the setup menu, you need to change the display setting to "525p". This should correct the problem. I'm quite pleased by the P241's performance thus far.

I purchased the Sammy P241 after I hooked up my PlayStation2 and found all kinds of interference in the red band (snowing, bleeding) during DVD playback. Games still run fine, so IMO it's an issue w/ either the PS2's DVD software, decoding hardware. So, couple that interference w/ being unable to adjust the PS2's DVD software from 4:3 Letterbox to 16:9, and all signs point to a new DVD player. Go ahead and twist my arm. ;)


I'm a long time lurker, first time poster, and I want to thank everyone who contributed to these Sanyo threads. The information and feedback you've provided has been a great help.

I had been eyeing the HT30744 since I read the first thread back in June, and I finally took the plunge on this past Labor Day, and I couldn't be happier....unless, of course, I had $4000 to drop on a DLP, but... ;) Regular cable channels look surprisingly good. Wasn't able to pull in any digital cable channels, but I'm able to receive ABC, NBC, Fox, & UPN OTA, and viewing football in HD is justification enough. :) Lowering the contrast and adjusting the other display settings to the rough percentages posted earlier works and looks great.

Only picture flaws: a slight pincushion on 4:3 material that I'll correct once I work up the courage to open the service menu. A slight tilt that I only notice when there's a news ticker running and I'm watching in "Zoom 1", and if I can't correct it, it's not a deal breaker. I've noticed the barrel roll on the sides as well, but I had to really look for it, and I only noticed during a fast panning shot on Monday Night Football.

Thanks again, guys.

Originally posted by finger11
the article in your 2nd link states that there is a "night and day difference in PQ when we switch from component to DVI (or HDMI) connections" ... so what gives? :confused: :confused: :confused:

You are correct!

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The most important lesson I've learned in 6 months of owning a Samsung DLP TV and few weeks of Bravo D1 player is that analog Component connections are history and digital DVI connections are the only way forward. There is a night and day difference in Picture Quality when we switch from Component to DVI connections. As we move towards all things digital:

Digital PQ Nirvana = Digital Signal -> Digital DVI Connection -> Digital Display
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I would think that this person's personal experience says that he prefers the digital connection.

I think that this is where I get my attitude that DVI or HDMI is prefered to component video.

I know that right now, I HAVE to use Component video, as that is all my DVD player has, but I am going to purchase a new DVD that has a DVI or HDMI output very soon!

I think the original discussion was that Component video does or does not do HD video.

Everyone can do what they want, I am choosing the digital route.

Originally posted by oryan_dunn
I'm not sure if it is a company wide policy, but usually within 30 days, we'll give you the difference back.

Ryan

Wal-Mart will not even match OTHER WAL-MART's price!

This was my personal experience Sunday, as my Wal-mart still has the Sanyo for 797, but 10 miles down the road, another Super Wal-mart has the Sanyo for 697. Spent a half an hour while the clerk checked with the manager, and he stood firm on the 797 price.

My TV was purchased three weeks ago.

Oh, I have to say, I LOVE my TV, and WAS happy with the price, just a little miffed that they lowered their price even further, yet I cannot get a refund without hauling the set back and purching it at another store!

It is TOO HEAVY to do that!

Originally posted by BuddTX
I think the original discussion was that Component video does or does not do HD video.

Everyone can do what they want, I am choosing the digital route.

yea... the other thing was i was trying to see if i could/should use DVI->HDMI wire to output from my computer's video card to the TV or use component with ATI's Dongle thingie they got...

but like i posted earlier, someone says comp output -> HDMI on TV is bad and i'm pretty sure i read it shouldn't be done if the TV doesn't support 720p natively

anyone have a firmer grasp on this?
thanks :D

I have my HTPC connected to my Sanyo 32" 4:3 HDTV via a DVI-to-HDMI cable. I'm using a Mad Dog (GeForce) FX5200 AGP video card. I was using the official NVIDIA 61.77 drivers, but now I am using the 66.00 beta drivers. With the 66.00 drivers, there's a setting that you can adjust to get rid of most overscan that you would get with their official drivers. I lost about 15% of the screen with the official drivers, but got most of that back with the beta drivers. The problem that I'm having now is that my all my HTPC software apps, like Meedio & WinDVD, think that they are using a widescreen resolution, so they end up stretching everything vertically so that everything looks skinny. I've been basically getting a 720p output; haven't been able to get 1080i. Here's the thread that I started last week:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=443897

Anyway, I think I have to be brave & delve into the world of Powerstrip to fix my problem. Anyone here with a Sanyo 32" that has successfully removed overscan with Powerstrip? You help would be greatly appreciated. <Sorry for the minor thread hijack>

Despite the issues I stated, the DVI/HDMI connection looks fantastic. It also frees up another component input on my HDTV should I ever need it.

Thanks,
jawgee

Originally posted by finger11
yea... the other thing was i was trying to see if i could/should use DVI->HDMI wire to output from my computer's video card to the TV or use component with ATI's Dongle thingie they got...

but like i posted earlier, someone says comp output -> HDMI on TV is bad and i'm pretty sure i read it shouldn't be done if the TV doesn't support 720p natively

anyone have a firmer grasp on this?
thanks :D


Going from Comp out to HDMI is going from digital to analog back to digital. Of course there would be problems with this.

DVI is equal (for video) to HDMI (Still all digital) so just get a DVI to HDMI cable.

Straight pure digital from the source to the monitor.

Here is a THREAD that discusses this is way greater detail than I needed! (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=385388&perpage=60&pagenumber=1)

Originally posted by BuddTX
Wal-Mart will not even match OTHER WAL-MART's price!

This was my personal experience Sunday, as my Wal-mart still has the Sanyo for 797, but 10 miles down the road, another Super Wal-mart has the Sanyo for 697. Spent a half an hour while the clerk checked with the manager, and he stood firm on the 797 price.

My TV was purchased three weeks ago.

Oh, I have to say, I LOVE my TV, and WAS happy with the price, just a little miffed that they lowered their price even further, yet I cannot get a refund without hauling the set back and purching it at another store!

It is TOO HEAVY to do that!

Here's a trick, just transfer a tv from one to another. If you have a truck, buy a new sanyo at the walmart with it at 697, have their stockmen load it up for you, drive to the store that sells it for 797, have the other stores stockmen unload it, use your old receipt, and return that tv for 797. Then keep the new receipt for your tv you have at home. Another plus of doing this, you don't have to pack up your current tv, plus it also moves the purchase date up from your old receipt. I don't think you'll have any problems doing that, but I'm not sure if our system tracks the serial numbers of sanyo tvs. To find out, look at your receipt. If there are two lines for the tv, one with the upc and the other with the serial, then this plan wont work.

I take it these sets are in short supply? I've called 4 DFW area Wal-marts so far and am unable to locate one.

Guess my search continues.

GrayMatter
I bought the 4:3 32" for my wife a couple of months ago at the Grapevine store off of grapevine hwy. Johnathan

From what I understand, each store only got a couple of each.

So do these Sanyos support 720p natively or not? Is there any way to find out for sure:confused: I have a Motorola Comcast HD box and when I set it to display only 1080i or 720p I don't notice any difference. So there's one of 2 things going on here...

1. The TV upconverts to 1080i so when I set my STB to 720p the TV upconverts to 1080i and when I set it to 1080i it just displays 1080i.
2. I just can't notice the difference between 720p and 1080i.

Originally posted by Slickman
So do these Sanyos support 720p natively or not? Is there any way to find out for sure:confused: I have a Motorola Comcast HD box and when I set it to display only 1080i or 720p I don't notice any difference. So there's one of 2 things going on here...

1. The TV upconverts to 1080i so when I set my STB to 720p the TV upconverts to 1080i and when I set it to 1080i it just displays 1080i.
2. I just can't notice the difference between 720p and 1080i.

Well, according to Sanyo it does...though I, and many others, are still doubtful. So do this: email Sanyo and ask them. We'll see if we get a different answer.

I found this TV at one walmart and bought the 32 inch for 699.

I have connected an APEX 2600 DVD Player (Component), XBOX w/ Samsung DVD Drive (Component), and RF Antenna (Digital Antenna Input). I get about 10-15 digital channels, ABC, CBS, FOX, etc. All of them work fine and display really well. Some display in 720p and some display in 1080i, and there is a noticeable difference (sharpness). I know how they are displaying because I press the info button on the TV and it says either 1920x1080 or 1280x720. There are no apparent problems with the antenna, dvd, or xbox.

I bought the TV after reading this thread, and its a great value.

Wal-Mart #6 that I called had the TV and I was able to run down and get it :).

Apparently the Wal-Marts can't tell what is in stock in other stores. I had a person at the 3rd Wal-Mart I called tell me that this TV wasn't in any Wal-Marts in the North Dallas area, I'm glad he was wrong.

So has anyone had any luck exchanging sets to get the new price inside the 90 day policy without a physical exchange of the set? (using the old receipt to return new set rather than physically returning the first set)

Originally posted by BuddTX
Wal-Mart will not even match OTHER WAL-MART's price!

This was my personal experience Sunday, as my Wal-mart still has the Sanyo for 797, but 10 miles down the road, another Super Wal-mart has the Sanyo for 697. Spent a half an hour while the clerk checked with the manager, and he stood firm on the 797 price.

My TV was purchased three weeks ago.

Oh, I have to say, I LOVE my TV, and WAS happy with the price, just a little miffed that they lowered their price even further, yet I cannot get a refund without hauling the set back and purching it at another store!

It is TOO HEAVY to do that!

HAPPY END TO THIS ISSUE!

I went into Wal-mart last night, and sure enough the Sanyo 30 inch widescreen and 32 inch 4:3 were priced at the lower 697.00

I took my receipt to the clerk at the front, and she happily refunded my 54 bucks with a smile! no arguments, etc.

The only reason I will take this set back now (other than if it breaks!) is if Wal-MArt gets a 36 inch HD TV within the next 70 days or so!

I read through the main thread and I didnt find an answer to my problem so maybe someone can help me if they have time. I have a problem with the screen in analog mode .. the black borders are way off .. the left side black borders are about a half inch off from the right side. I was wondering if there is something in the service manual that will let me correct that. I have tried messing with 11A/11D/11F/120/11B/11C along with 089/121/122 and they didnt seem to solve my problem. Any help would be great. Thanks

Hi everyone,

Thanks for the great discussion about this tv. I've learned a lot and would not have otherwise considered this brand. Can anyone comment on Sanyo and how it stacks up vs. Samsung, Sony, Toshiba and the like? I have a perception of it (rightly or wrongly) as being a lower-tier brand and would have concern about the set not lasting. I had a 32" Inteq, which was supposed to be a high-end Zenith, that just died after only 6 years, and I'd like to avoid the same debacle...i.e. buying a set that looks great at the time but just doesn't stand up over the years for whatever reason.

Thanks for any comments.

Originally posted by noz4life
I read through the main thread and I didnt find an answer to my problem so maybe someone can help me if they have time. I have a problem with the screen in analog mode .. the black borders are way off .. the left side black borders are about a half inch off from the right side. I was wondering if there is something in the service manual that will let me correct that. I have tried messing with 11A/11D/11F/120/11B/11C along with 089/121/122 and they didnt seem to solve my problem. Any help would be great. Thanks

I didn't even enter the Service Menu until a few days ago. I had the spreadsheet of Ryan's default values and eventhough I was doing this to a 32" (actually, to a pair of them), I entered all the default values in other columns so I'd know what to go back to. I'd advise something similar to anybody that ventures into the SM.

Anyhow, you didn't mention 11E and that seems most appropriate. At least based on what I think you are saying. You just want to shift everything left - right? I don't even know what the display is called, but Video Essentials has a screen that shows 5, 10, 15, 20 arrows going to top, bottom, left, right, and the 4 corners. I just mucked with the values until the display was centered top-bottom, left-right, and the 4 diagonals went to the corners of the screen. If you have some way to generate a similar test pattern, you could describe what you see in terms someone might be able to visualize. Right now, I'd have to go fiddle trying to make my set have black borders on the left that are different from the right. What I was changing was all displays, not just "analog", and they were 4:3 sets. I'm guessing you have a 30" and you want to change what you see with 4:3 material??

One reason I went into the SM was to move the OSD when you change contrast, brightness, ... but was bummed when I changed 89 (OSD) it only changed the Service Menu display, not the setup menu. Anybody find how to move that menu?

I will try that .. thanks

I went in to get my 50 bucks, and was told "NO WAY".

So I said get your manager, and they aggreed that since it was a major purchase that they would refund my 50 bucks.

Hi,
I'm wondering if anyone is using a Dish 811 with the Sanyo. How do you have it hooked up? Did all the needed cables come with it? Thanks.

Kevin

Hoping someone out there can help me make sense of all the conflicting info about "burn-in" on CRT TVs--some people say they're very prone to burn-in, others say it's not a worry. Who is right? In addition to TV viewing, I'm using the 30" model as a HTPC and often have an aquarium screen saver playing for upwards of 12 hours a day. Just recently, I think I'm detecting a darkening of the image during TV viewing. As my wife likes to point out, though, I'm prone to sensory delusions. As stupid as this question might sound, a constant signal cannot burn the tube when the TV isn't on, right? Also worried about all the 4:3 material burning the pillar boxes into the screen.

Any advice/feedback would be much appreciated.

To put it to fact, this TV (HT32744) definetly does display in 480P. Tried it with my Gamecube games. It will say in Info 720*480(60P).

I tried playing DVDs with my PS2 (New model 50001 w/ Progressive Scan), and it says 720*480(60I). I'm assuming this is interlaced. Why won't it display DVDs in progressive scan?

Regarding Walmart pricing issues, I've seen this in the 4 local stores where I live with clearance items which, as was explained to me, the store manager has discretion in setting the price. In lower income areas, the items were priced much lower. Saw a huge tool kit for $50 in one store, $125 in another.

However, I noticed the 30/32 Sanyo is not listed on the web site any more (only one was there...the 30 I think).