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wjbjr
11-09-06, 08:57 PM
Is anybody having trouble receiving 39-1? I can't get a signal on either of my 2 satellite boxes.

Loud and clear here. But perhaps yours is back by now?

Mike4HDTV
11-09-06, 10:51 PM
39-1 came back around 6 PM today.

neptune100
11-10-06, 07:25 PM
Over the last six months i've expereinced a much worse picture coming from adelphia on NBC, it seems to be that there is a lot of artifacting and the picture is way grainier than all over the other HD channels. Does anybody experience the same thing?

HDTVFanAtic
11-11-06, 03:03 AM
In another thread, someone is saying that WBZL/WSFL is broadcasting it Main Channel OTA in HDLITE at either 1440x1080i or 1280x1080i instead of 1920x1080i.

Can anyone please confirm this that has a capture device?

Thanks.

dude2006
11-12-06, 11:40 PM
Hi, I'm moving soon to the Miami downtown area, I'm going to be in one of the condos there and was wondering, to increase my chances of getting the local channels in HDTV would it be better if I got an apartment facing NORTH? That website that tells you the location of the transmitter towers relative to your address says that all the stations are to the north of the downtown area, so I just wanted to confirm.

Thanks in advance

Ericglo
11-13-06, 12:37 AM
Yes and why do you want to move to Miami?

HDTVFanAtic
11-13-06, 03:55 AM
Hi, I'm moving soon to the Miami downtown area, I'm going to be in one of the condos there and was wondering, to increase my chances of getting the local channels in HDTV would it be better if I got an apartment facing NORTH? That website that tells you the location of the transmitter towers relative to your address says that all the stations are to the north of the downtown area, so I just wanted to confirm.



That shows you have fast apartment CHANGE to condos in Miami.

dude2006
11-13-06, 11:02 PM
Yes and why do you want to move to Miami?


I already live there, I'm just moving to a new place. The apartment I'm in now (on Brickell) faces south but somehow I can get all the channels with my little Terk indoor antenna, i guess because the signals are bouncing off other buildings...

Ericglo
11-13-06, 11:24 PM
I already live there, I'm just moving to a new place. The apartment I'm in now (on Brickell) faces south but somehow I can get all the channels with my little Terk indoor antenna, i guess because the signals are bouncing off other buildings...


I think if you get up a couple of stories it helps. I live a couple of blocks from you and I had trouble getting ABC because it is weak and VHF.

BDCat
11-15-06, 11:56 AM
Rudy, a poster over in the HDTV Programming Forum has indicted that National Geographic HD and A&E HD are up and running on Comcast in Detroit.

Do you hear any word from the Comcast folks here as to when we might expect these two channels to show up in South Florida?

Aside: I don’t think I’ll be watching A&E too much but NG should be really good!

holtwm
11-15-06, 03:52 PM
Someone please explain why Comcast in Coral Gables replaced INHD2 with channel 208 that seems to only show an INHD logo and some cheesy music endlessly looping. NFL Replays don't even seem to be broadcasting on it!

aless27
11-16-06, 11:53 AM
Sorry if this has been dealt with, but I didn't want to read 151 pages to find out! I had a professional here to help install my OTA antenna and we had to eventually give up with only ABC and FOX tuned in. The direction we need to point goes directly through the downtown Fort Lauderdale buildings a half mile away and he said that this was the problem. Has anyone else had a similar problem in a similar area? My zip is 33301. And does anyone have any solutions? We tried two different antennas, a Wineguard square shooter and then a multi-directional one he brought with him which is the one there now. We can't get the West Palm stations either. Will a huge antenna - which I don't think I would buy anyway - make a difference? Or could my "professional" not be that good and I should get someone else out to look into it? I'm not very far from the stations, but perhaps those buildings really do mean I am doomed for OTA reception. Thanks.

Ericglo
11-16-06, 03:42 PM
It is interesting that you are getting the VHF stations and not the UHF stations. You might have a multipath problem. I would go do some research in the HDTV hardware forum. There is a lot of info on antennas in there.

yanksno1
11-16-06, 05:24 PM
Rudy, a poster over in the HDTV Programming Forum has indicted that National Geographic HD and A&E HD are up and running on Comcast in Detroit.

Do you hear any word from the Comcast folks here as to when we might expect these two channels to show up in South Florida?

Aside: I don’t think I’ll be watching A&E too much but NG should be really good!
Rudy PM'd me (forgot to post it here) a couple weeks ago that NG-HD will be the next channel added. Didn't have a time frame yet though, maybe he'll update that. :)

Rudy1
11-16-06, 06:57 PM
I was told that we can expect it sometime in the first quarter of 2007.

BDCat
11-17-06, 08:16 AM
I was told that we can expect it sometime in the first quarter of 2007.

Thanks for the info Rudy! I suppose 1st quarter is better than not at all! Not that I really care but any word on A&E HD?

Actually, of far more interest than these two channels is the new Sports and Entertainment tier that should be available by the end of the year. It will supposedly combine the contents of the current Sports package and the Digital Premier tier with a few additional channels two of which will be HDNET and HDNET Movies! This new tier will, again supposedly, cost $5 to $8 a month.

This is a tier I would sign up for immediately it becomes available.

dmwierz
11-17-06, 12:13 PM
Group,

I recently relocated to a Soutwest facing condo on the 8th floor of a building on Brickell Ave. and in my building, they offer DirecTV via a 3 LNB dish only, so local HDTV is out of the question. So...I went to AntennaWeb.org, and found out that most of the signals are 90 degrees from my patio doors (except channels 6 and 35), so I went out and got a Silver Sensor.

I quickly discovered that channel 10 is almost impossible to get, as are both Fox stations. Regardless, it's a REAL pain to get up and move the antenna whenever I change channels (reminds me of being a kid in the 60's - anybody got any aluminum foil?).

What do you guys suggest I use to feed my 42" Panny Plasma HDTV so I can get HD locals? I'm also a little hestiant to purchase the DirectTV DVR because the building management has yet to approve the capital outlay required to allow the residents to receive MPEG-4 signals, and as I understand it, next year, all DirecTV HD signals will be in MPEG-4, so the entire building will be out of date, technology-wise..

Will it help to add an amplifier to the Silver Sensor? Any other ideas? I want to see the OSU/Michigan game tomorrow in HD splendor, but I can't get channel 7 to give me anything resembling a steady signal.

Thanks in advance.

Dennis

Rudy1
11-17-06, 12:43 PM
I have obtained excellent results with a Silver Sensor and a Channel Master Model 7778 preamp (http://www.starkelectronic.com/allamps.htm). With this combination I was successful in tuning in all of the local digital stations, including Fox and ABC which are VHS, up until about a year ago when a tall building obstructed my line of sight to the antenna farm. Now I have problems receiving the VHF stations, but the UHF stations have remained pretty strong signal-wise.
By the way, I'm in downtown Fort Lauderdale on the second floor of an apartment building.

Group,

I recently relocated to a Soutwest facing condo on the 8th floor of a building on Brickell Ave. and in my building, they offer DirecTV via a 3 LNB dish only, so local HDTV is out of the question. So...I went to AntennaWeb.org, and found out that most of the signals are 90 degrees from my patio doors (except channels 6 and 35), so I went out and got a Silver Sensor.

I quickly discovered that channel 10 is almost impossible to get, as are both Fox stations. Regardless, it's a REAL pain to get up and move the antenna whenever I change channels (reminds me of being a kid in the 60's - anybody got any aluminum foil?).

What do you guys suggest I use to feed my 42" Panny Plasma HDTV so I can get HD locals? I'm also a little hestiant to purchase the DirectTV DVR because the building management has yet to approve the capital outlay required to allow the residents to receive MPEG-4 signals, and as I understand it, next year, all DirecTV HD signals will be in MPEG-4, so the entire building will be out of date, technology-wise..

Will it help to add an amplifier to the Silver Sensor? Any other ideas? I want to see the OSU/Michigan game tomorrow in HD splendor, but I can't get channel 7 to give me anything resembling a steady signal.

Thanks in advance.

Dennis

dmwierz
11-17-06, 02:31 PM
I have obtained excellent results with a Silver Sensor and a Channel Master Model 7778 preamp (http://www.starkelectronic.com/allamps.htm). With this combination I was successful in tuning in all of the local digital stations, including Fox and ABC which are VHS, up until about a year ago when a tall building obstructed my line of sight to the antenna farm. Now I have problems receiving the VHF stations, but the UHF stations have remained pretty strong signal-wise.
By the way, I'm in downtown Fort Lauderdale on the second floor of an apartment building.

Rudy, thanks. I may give that a try. Hope a local vendor has something like this in stock, as I'd still like to get on the air by tomorrow. I'm also going to try moving my Silver Sensor onto the balcony temporarily, to see if this helps.

Any other ideas?

Dennis

Ericglo
11-17-06, 06:32 PM
Rudy, thanks. I may give that a try. Hope a local vendor has something like this in stock, as I'd still like to get on the air by tomorrow. I'm also going to try moving my Silver Sensor onto the balcony temporarily, to see if this helps.

Any other ideas?

Dennis


The balcony will help. VHF may still be difficult.

You might want to check out the hardware forum for some more help. I use a 5 foot DIY Yagi, but I live in a house.

dmwierz
11-17-06, 11:11 PM
The balcony will help. VHF may still be difficult.

You might want to check out the hardware forum for some more help. I use a 5 foot DIY Yagi, but I live in a house.

Thanks. I'll try the balcony tomorrow. Got an amplifier this evening, and this added about 30% to many of the signals, so I may be on the right track.

Dennis

dmwierz
11-18-06, 02:52 PM
Thanks. I'll try the balcony tomorrow. Got an amplifier this evening, and this added about 30% to many of the signals, so I may be on the right track.

Dennis

OK, guys. I have been able to get my signal on 10-1 up to 82 on the signal strength of my Panny 42" HDTV, but I'm still getting drop-outs. All the other channels are pretty solid with anything over 60. I've combined a Silver Sensor and a Philips amplifier, which, other than requiring me to move the antenna every time I want to watch channel 6 (thanks, guys), it's working OK.

Is this because 10-1 is UHF, or what? And, according to AntennnaWeb.org, this is the ONLY digital ABC channel I can receive in Miami.

Ideas?

Dennis

Ericglo
11-18-06, 03:11 PM
OK, guys. I have been able to get my signal on 10-1 up to 82 on the signal strength of my Panny 42" HDTV, but I'm still getting drop-outs. All the other channels are pretty solid with anything over 60. I've combined a Silver Sensor and a Philips amplifier, which, other than requiring me to move the antenna every time I want to watch channel 6 (thanks, guys), it's working OK.

Is this because 10-1 is UHF, or what? And, according to AntennnaWeb.org, this is the ONLY digital ABC channel I can receive in Miami.

Ideas?

Dennis

ABC is VHF and welcome to the club. I was receiving all of the channels except ABC last year. I decided to build my own Yagi just for ABC and hope that I got the other channels. Fortunately, I get all of the other channels. Sorry Steve, but ABC is the hardest channel to pull in. You might try putting some wire mesh or aluminum foil around the antenna. There was a thread in the other forum about it for reducing multipath.

dmwierz
11-18-06, 03:19 PM
ABC is VHF and welcome to the club. I was receiving all of the channels except ABC last year. I decided to build my own Yagi just for ABC and hope that I got the other channels. Fortunately, I get all of the other channels. Sorry Steve, but ABC is the hardest channel to pull in. You might try putting some wire mesh or aluminum foil around the antenna. There was a thread in the other forum about it for reducing multipath.


Thanks. I just moved in, so don't have any aluminum foil yet (or salt, or milk, etc...), but I DO have beer :cool: .

Why does an 82 signal strength reading work with the other channels and not with 10-1, becasue of multipath? I have a building just to the SW of me, but have arranged the Silver Sensor out on my balcony to have pretty much a clear shot of the signal.

The WAF is going to rule out an indoor YAGI, and my building only has DirecTV with a 3 LNB dish and distribution system (at least for now), so for HD locals, it's OTA or nothing for me.

Funny thing is, in our parking garage, there are a TON of high-end vechicles, including at least two Maseratti's, countless high-end Mercedes ,Lexuses, Porsches, Infinities and Bimmers, and even an Aston-Martin (makes me feel like I'm low-rent), so I have to believe SOMEBODY else here wants HD locals without going through what I'm having to do.

BTW, who's Steve? :) , and WHEN is ABC going to switch today's broadcast over to HD, right AT kickoff time?

Dennis

Ericglo
11-18-06, 03:36 PM
BTW, who's Steve? :) , and WHEN is ABC going to switch today's broadcast over to HD, right AT kickoff time?

Dennis

If you read the thread, then you will see that Steve is the engineer at ABC.

As for signal strength, each tuner is different.

On your building, I have often wondered why high rises don't do some sort of all in one antenna.

dmwierz
11-18-06, 04:01 PM
If you read the thread, then you will see that Steve is the engineer at ABC.

As for signal strength, each tuner is different.

On your building, I have often wondered why high rises don't do some sort of all in one antenna.

Eric, well, I must have missed Steve's name somewhere in the 150+ pages of this thread going back 5 years, so maybe you can cut me a little slack?

We actually DO have a set of antennae (as I mentioned earlier, just up this page, in fact: OK, we're even) - a set of 3LNB DirecTV dishes with associated distribution. At first, I thought this was GREAT until I realized that I couldn't get HD locals via this setup. Frankly, I doubt anyone here realizes that they COULD be receiving locals via their HD DirecTV. Maybe I should go to the next resident's meeting and broach this topic?

I talked to the guy who has the contract for this building, and he tells me he gave a quote to the building for $45K to upgrade the dishes and the wiring. In addition, apparently each unit will be required to pay $200 each (this may be the BIG sticking point, as I doubt, like I said earlier, people living here even KNOW what they're missing, not to mention the fact that their DirecTV hardware will be obsoete for DirecTV HD programming altogether when DTV goes all MPEG-4: next year, or whenever).

Back to THE game, and my aerobic workout - walking my antenna around my apartment.

Dennis

JeffBowser
11-18-06, 09:00 PM
I received 10-1 rock steady for the entire Ohio-Michigan game today, so I would bet your problem is multi-path, as opposed to anything else. Bummer on your building situation. Maybe all those people with the ridiculously expensive vehicles have credit accounts maxed out and can't afford a single thing beyond their payment schedule. I know, I used to be like that.

dmwierz
11-18-06, 09:50 PM
I received 10-1 rock steady for the entire Ohio-Michigan game today, so I would bet your problem is multi-path, as opposed to anything else. Bummer on your building situation. Maybe all those people with the ridiculously expensive vehicles have credit accounts maxed out and can't afford a single thing beyond their payment schedule. I know, I used to be like that.

Jeff,

Where are you located relative to 10-1's transmitter/antenna?

I have no doubt that, living close enough, or in direct line of sight, one could get this signal. Heck, people have even reported hearing my FM radio modulator from my iPod when they drive close to my car, so anything is possible :o

In fact, I'm watching the Cal/USC game right now, with a 86/100 signal on my Panny, and I'm getting audio and video drop-outs every 2-3 seconds, making the game UNWATCHABLE.

Yeah, while this issue will probably not cause me to move or certainly not terminate my lease, it would very likely cause me to not BUY here, which is a choice I may make later next year. I'd have no problem vocalizing this at our association meeting.

Dennis

JeffBowser
11-19-06, 08:52 AM
I am in NE Boca Raton, at the very fringe end of 10-1's signal. In fact, I get it better than what is supposed to be my own market's channel (25). You may simply want to try a highly directioonal antenna and point it at the strongets reflection......

yanksno1
11-19-06, 03:34 PM
Just thought I'd keep Comcast users updated (http://www.engadgethd.com/2006/11/19/comcast-adds-several-hd-channels-golf-channel-versus-hd-due-i/).

Considering Comcast has been on a mild HD-adding frenzy of late, it's not too much of a surprise to learn that the firm has added yet another run of high definition options to its (arguably) robust lineup. Motor City users over at AVS have confirmed the addition of A&E HD, Universal HD (it's back?), National Geographic HD, and Fox Sports Net Detroit HD, which brings their total HD selection to 21 channels. Additionally, it looks like the removal of INHD-2 has brought about a separate, new channel that will be used to simulcast The Golf Channel during daylight hours while queuing up Versus (formerly known as The Outdoor Life Network) content at night. This will presumably solve the quandary Comcast has with needing an additional outlet to showcase all that HD-quality hockey it owns without HDNet, and should be available for your enjoyment in January. So, any of you folks not in Michigan receiving any sweet bonuses from Comcast in terms of HD offerings?
This is good news, Rudy also said they were reconsidering adding UHD back to our lineup, so hopefully this counts us in as well.

ssabripo
11-20-06, 01:30 PM
Just thought I'd keep Comcast users updated (http://www.engadgethd.com/2006/11/19/comcast-adds-several-hd-channels-golf-channel-versus-hd-due-i/).


This is good news, Rudy also said they were reconsidering adding UHD back to our lineup, so hopefully this counts us in as well.
thanks for the update, but I'm still confused.

Rudy, if you are reading, please chime in...

I know National GeographicHD is the next one to be added, supposedly on Q1 '07, but in the meantime, channel 200 (FSN HD) and 208 (HDSE) are just sitting there doing virtually NOTHING! I just dont get it ! :mad:

if the plan is to bring more channels, that's great, but why not re-instate INHD2 or something else in the meantime while that's all sorted out, and not waste such precious bandwidth on those two channels?? :confused:

DownPat
11-21-06, 01:07 AM
NBC6 screwed up Studio 60 *again* tonight, blowing the sound the last quarter of the show. Sure maybe it was the network's fault, but TVJ coasted through EIGHT MINUTES OF DEAD AIR before dropping to SD to at least get the sound back.

I don't think they've gotten a single Monday night 100% right the entire *SEASON*.

Very frustrating, and no less so because this just goes on, year after year after year, with no end in sight.

No... you know what? NBC6 has *declined* since last year. It's gotten *worse*.

97Strat
11-21-06, 07:33 AM
NBC6 screwed up Studio 60 *again* tonight, blowing the sound the last quarter of the show. Sure maybe it was the network's fault, but TVJ coasted through EIGHT MINUTES OF DEAD AIR before dropping to SD to at least get the sound back.

I don't think they've gotten a single Monday night 100% right the entire *SEASON*.

Very frustrating, and no less so because this just goes on, year after year after year, with no end in sight.

No... you know what? NBC6 has *declined* since last year. It's gotten *worse*.
It wasn't the network's sound problem - it was WTVJ-DT. Thank goodness I was able to switch to WPTV-DT immediately after WTVJ-DT screwed up the sound. And WTVJ-DT still doesn't know how to put a crawl up without reverting back to SD with the blue curtains for those 5 seconds or so.

While we're ranting, WSVN-DT is still on daylight savings time. Their clock is still about an hour off. WPLG-DT still insists on distorting their SD feed with stretch-o-vision, but at least they offer an undistorted pic (albeit SD) on 10-2. WPBT-DT seems to have dropped their content within their PSIP.

So it appears that WFOR-DT, WBFS-DT, and WSFL-DT are the only major SoFla stations that have their act together at the moment. But tomorrow's another day... ;)

Joe

DownPat
11-21-06, 01:37 PM
I did get a nice note from Mauricio Duran over at NBC6 in response to my email, saying that a switch broke and had to be rewired, which was done at 1am this morning. It was nice of them to send me a reply, and I applaud their efforts to stay in touch with the community.

I think perhaps I'm going to double-up Tivo on SD for important programs for a while.

slimoli
11-22-06, 06:08 PM
I lost channels 910 (MAX-HD) and 930(CBS-HD) today with Atlantic Broadband. Called support and , as usual, all they can do is send a cableguy. I'm pretty sure the problem is at their end. Can anybody with ABB confirm if channels 910 and 930 are OK or not?

Thanks

Sergio

frenno
11-23-06, 01:55 PM
Sergio,

I lost channel 930 but channel 910 comes in OK. By the way, have you got your cable cards to work with the new Tivo yet?

slimoli
11-23-06, 03:34 PM
Hi Francisco

I got the 910 back yesterday and today I also got the 930. Here is the good news: I spent 2 hours with Carlos on the phone last week, he called SA and finally he figured what was wrong and my S3 is now working with cablecards. Here is the bad news: I have no audio on 7 channels although I almost never watch them: FUSE,FUEL,DIY,HISTI,IFC,LMN,BIO. I only care about LMN and IFC and that's why I'm keeping the 8300. This problem has been reported by few other guys at the TIVO Community Board and it looks like few cablecos are sending the audio using a CODEC not recognizable by the S3. Carlos is aware of the problem and he says that MAYBE he can send the audio on these channels using another protocol. So far he hasn't done it.Everything else with the S3 is great and it's far superior to the 8300.

Ericglo
11-26-06, 05:45 PM
Wow thanks CBS, I was hoping to get the Jets/ Texans game.:rolleyes: If we are lucky, then maybe you will give us another crappy game next week like the Jets/ Packers.:rolleyes:

steveskg
11-26-06, 05:46 PM
Hi,

I live in Pompano Beach, FL just north of Ft. Lauderdale. Zip code 33060.

I just bought my first HDTV. An Olevia 32 inch (232v) HDTV (built in tuner). Olevia's website has more information on it. (I'd post the link but I'm under 5 posts)

I only have regular Comcast cable. From the wall to the tv. No cable box.

I've been receiving HBO & HBO2 for free forever on channels 98 & 99.

Still do now, except after doing a channel scan with the Tv. I've picked up new channels because after searching and finding all my normal channels through the analog signal, it found a bunch of digital channels.

My tv is weird because it goes into decimal points. I now get these channels:

CBS HD - 79.1
NBA TV - 86.9
PBS HD - 92.1
FOX HD - 92.2
ABC HD - 93.1
NBC HD - 93.2
Encore Movieplex - 110.1 (which I shouldn't be getting)
Starz HD - 110.3 (which I shouldn't be getting)
Encore Westerns 112.5 (which I shouldn't be getting)
Music choice - 117.01-117.54 (which I shouldn't be getting?)
TNT HD 117.55 (which won't turn up in a channel serach, I have to manually enter it each time)
CW HD - 119.3

I don't know if this is the right forum, but is this how other HDTVs display channels? with decimal points?

And I stumbled upon TNT HD. But if I hadn't manually entered 117.55, I would have never found it. Is there a list somewhere that gives all the HD channels in the area?

It'd be nice if ESPN HD was broadcast and I could find it. Any help would be appreciated.

Would an extra attenna do anything to my setup? Is that even relevant to a tv with a built in tuner? Thanks for any help.

-Steve

Rudy1
11-26-06, 06:49 PM
Hi,

I live in Pompano Beach, FL just north of Ft. Lauderdale. Zip code 33060.

I just bought my first HDTV. An Olevia 32 inch (232v) HDTV (built in tuner). Olevia's website has more information on it. (I'd post the link but I'm under 5 posts)

I only have regular Comcast cable. From the wall to the tv. No cable box.

I've been receiving HBO & HBO2 for free forever on channels 98 & 99.

Still do now, except after doing a channel scan with the Tv. I've picked up new channels because after searching and finding all my normal channels through the analog signal, it found a bunch of digital channels.

My tv is weird because it goes into decimal points. I now get these channels:

CBS HD - 79.1
NBA TV - 86.9
PBS HD - 92.1
FOX HD - 92.2
ABC HD - 93.1
NBC HD - 93.2
Encore Movieplex - 110.1 (which I shouldn't be getting)
Starz HD - 110.3 (which I shouldn't be getting)
Encore Westerns 112.5 (which I shouldn't be getting)
Music choice - 117.01-117.54 (which I shouldn't be getting?)
TNT HD 117.55 (which won't turn up in a channel serach, I have to manually enter it each time)
CW HD - 119.3

I don't know if this is the right forum, but is this how other HDTVs display channels? with decimal points?

And I stumbled upon TNT HD. But if I hadn't manually entered 117.55, I would have never found it. Is there a list somewhere that gives all the HD channels in the area?

It'd be nice if ESPN HD was broadcast and I could find it. Any help would be appreciated.

Would an extra attenna do anything to my setup? Is that even relevant to a tv with a built in tuner? Thanks for any help.

-Steve

Most TVs display the digital channel numbers with dashes instead of a decimal point, but it's all the same. You are supposed to be getting the local channels (the major national networks) for free via the TV's ClearQAM tuner...but the other channels are showing up simply because the local Comcast headend hasn't gotten around to scrambling them yet (ESPN HD was available for a while, as was Discovery HD Theater, but now they're scrambled). TNT-HD is mixed in with all of the music channels, so most ClearQAM tuners simply "overlook" it. The fact that each model of tuner allocates different channel numbers to the digital channels (based in part on your geographical location) means that there's no single list of QAM channels for the cable company that would apply to all viewers. Just (quietly) enjoy the various movie channels while you can...you never know when they might go away. And be prepared to do channel scans in the future; as the digital simulcast of the analog tier goes live, the frequency allocations will change.

---Rudy

steveskg
11-26-06, 07:16 PM
Most TVs display the digital channel numbers with dashes instead of a decimal point, but it's all the same. You are supposed to be getting the local channels (the major national networks) for free via the TV's ClearQAM tuner...but the other channels are showing up simply because the local Comcast headend hasn't gotten around to scrambling them yet (ESPN HD was available for a while, as was Discovery HD Theater, but now they're scrambled). TNT-HD is mixed in with all of the music channels, so most ClearQAM tuners simply "overlook" it. The fact that each model of tuner allocates different channel numbers to the digital channels (based in part on your geographical location) means that there's no single list of QAM channels for the cable company that would apply to all viewers. Just (quietly) enjoy the various movie channels while you can...you never know when they might go away. And be prepared to do channel scans in the future; as the digital simulcast of the analog tier goes live, the frequency allocations will change.

---Rudy


Thanks a bunch Rudy. :-)

jdougmc
11-26-06, 07:59 PM
I'm glad Steve asked that question, because I was about to ask a similar one, even after searching around on here for a few days.

I just got my first HDTV as well, the Sony Bravia 32" LCD. Which is a little unusual, since it's kinda the "backup" TV and is in the bedroom. One day we'll get a big plasma or whatever for the living room when we can afford it.

Anyway, after letting the TV search for digital stations with an OTA antenna hooked up, I get just a smattering of channels-- 4.1 (CBS), 6.1 (NBC), 6.2, 17.1, 33.1, 39.1, and a few others I don't remember (but NOT Fox or ABC...). For SDTV, we have DirecTV as well as a basic cable signal through our HOA. Would I perhaps pick up any additional digital stations if I search with the basic cable hooked up (it's Bellsouth Entertainment... :rolleyes: )?

Oh, and hey everybody! BTW, I live in Davie, which antennaweb says is about 5-6 miles away from most of the stations.

Doug

Rudy1
11-26-06, 09:08 PM
I'm glad Steve asked that question, because I was about to ask a similar one, even after searching around on here for a few days.

I just got my first HDTV as well, the Sony Bravia 32" LCD. Which is a little unusual, since it's kinda the "backup" TV and is in the bedroom. One day we'll get a big plasma or whatever for the living room when we can afford it.

Anyway, after letting the TV search for digital stations with an OTA antenna hooked up, I get just a smattering of channels-- 4.1 (CBS), 6.1 (NBC), 6.2, 17.1, 33.1, 39.1, and a few others I don't remember (but NOT Fox or ABC...). For SDTV, we have DirecTV as well as a basic cable signal through our HOA. Would I perhaps pick up any additional digital stations if I search with the basic cable hooked up (it's Bellsouth Entertainment... :rolleyes: )?

Oh, and hey everybody! BTW, I live in Davie, which antennaweb says is about 5-6 miles away from most of the stations.

Doug

Doug,

I didn't know that Americast from BellSouth was still available anywhere in FL. But as long as you have access it wouldn't hurt to try to find QAM (digital) cable channels on the system. Just follow the Sony's instructions for scanning for such channels. As I stated previously, the cable MSO's are required to provide the local national broadcast station's digital feeds in the clear. As for FOX and ABC...I don't think there's anyone in this area that has been able to receive a 100% reliable digital signal OTA from either of those two VHS stations.

Rudy

jdougmc
11-26-06, 10:27 PM
Thanks for the info. Well, I tried scanning for stations but didn't find any. I guess I'll have to stick with the few OTA channels I can pick up with the antenna 'till I can talk the wife into DirecTV HD.

And yeah, it's just our little community that's stuck with Bellsouth, but at least it's free. Yep, you get what you pay for...

97Strat
11-27-06, 07:22 AM
Doug, are you using a combo VHF/UHF OTA antenna? WSVN-DT and WPLG-DT are VHF, whereas the others are all UHF.

Rudy, I've had no problems whatsoever picking up WSVN-DT and WPLG-DT OTA with my roof-mounted 3016. No amp, either. ;)

Joe

jdougmc
11-27-06, 01:51 PM
I have a combo VHF/UHF antenna-- an amplified RCA model with the telescoping VHF rods and the UHF loop.

97Strat
11-27-06, 08:05 PM
If you have one, you could try hooking up a portable analog TV to the antenna just to see what kind of picture you get on VHF. Move the antenna around until you get the best possible pic, then hook the antenna back up to the HDTV and try another scan. Just a thought...

Joe

isyp
11-27-06, 08:29 PM
Hey Doug,

You'd think that given the proximity to the antennas in this area that all of the channels would come in through your fillings or something. VHF is just a bit more of a pain to get. If you can get an antenna outside that might help and higher is better. Also, depending on the tuner amplifying a strong singnal can cause problems as well. I doubt that's a problem with VHF, just throwing it out there as an option. Good luck with the antenna and hopefully you can talk the wife into DirecTV HD.

Isy

steveskg
11-27-06, 10:01 PM
Just another question.

Even if my tv gets a bunch of digital channels including HD channels.... is it worth it for me to get an antenna?

If so... what kind of antenna? FYI, I know nothing about antennas or anything. Again, I have comcast cable, from the wall. No cable box.

Are antennas useful even when you have cable? How many extra channels would I pick up?

Also... how big of a project is it to have an antenna? I'm not looking for some huge project because I just live in a condo on the 2nd floor.

Thanks for any help. :-)

-Steve

jdougmc
11-27-06, 10:04 PM
Wow, you guys are really helpful-- I appreciate all the input. The only analog TV we have left is the big honkin' 36" CRT downstairs in the living room. I don't think I'll be moving that one anytime soon, but that's a good idea about the antenna.

I have played around with the gain control on the antenna, but to no avail. The good thing is that I only watch a few network shows, and they're mostly on CBS which comes in nicely. No big deal. I wish I could trade TBN for ABC... :D

isyp
11-27-06, 10:24 PM
Hey Steve,

If you're happy with the HD content you are getting with Comcast then it may not be worthwhile. You may get a couple of HD channels via the antenna that aren't available via Comcast but if you don't watch any of the programming then it won't matter. It depends on your location with respect to the towers as far as what it takes to put one up. If you are close to the towers, www.antennaweb.org, you can get away with a set of rabbit ears for most of the channels. Roof top antennas will always get the best reception but condos aren't usually happy with those. Enjoy the HD you get and always remember to contact Comcast to let them know that there are more channels out there that we all want.

Isy

steveskg
11-27-06, 10:48 PM
Hey Steve,

If you're happy with the HD content you are getting with Comcast then it may not be worthwhile. You may get a couple of HD channels via the antenna that aren't available via Comcast but if you don't watch any of the programming then it won't matter. It depends on your location with respect to the towers as far as what it takes to put one up. If you are close to the towers, www.antennaweb.org, you can get away with a set of rabbit ears for most of the channels. Roof top antennas will always get the best reception but condos aren't usually happy with those. Enjoy the HD you get and always remember to contact Comcast to let them know that there are more channels out there that we all want.

Isy

Thanks for the advice isyp. Maybe I'll look into rabbit ears just for the heck of it.

Any good ones?

:-)

-Steve

jdougmc
11-27-06, 11:04 PM
Any good ones?
Yeah, I'd like to know that too. I mean, mine are OK (I think) but I'm certainly no expert. I browsed around at Best Buy last weekend but wasn't impressed with the selection.

Ericglo
11-27-06, 11:27 PM
Check out the HDTV hardware forum for antenna info.

steveskg
11-28-06, 06:15 AM
Thanks. Will do. :-)

hardballpete
11-29-06, 08:27 AM
Can someone here who has Comcast HD in the Davie area from Comcast of Broward answer some questions for me, please?

1. What HD DVR are they using now?
2. Is the Picture quality on HD really better than Directv's HD Lite?
3. Is it a 750mhz system, or other, with room for HD expansion?
4. I assume their HD DVR has no antenna in for OTA HD?
5. Are all the channels digital, and what is the quality of the non HD channels?
6. Any thing else you think I should no before dumping Directv for Comcast?

Thanks a million!

bubbers44
11-29-06, 02:04 PM
I live in Key Largo, almost 60 miles from Miami transmitters. I swear I was getting7-1 and 10-1 for a couple days about two months ago but never again. I see they have construction permits to increase from 16 to 30 KWERP on 7-1 and the same for 10-1 from 14 to 145 KWERP. Did they go back to low power until they get their license to operate at higher power or was that just a one time test? I installed both high directional VHF and UHF antennas with preamp hoping to get them OTA. Now only UHF works because of their higher power.

JeffBowser
11-29-06, 02:15 PM
60 miles is pushing it - I get them fine here in Boca, but I think I am only at 30 to 45 miles. Some of the bigger, directional antennas, mounted high would probably help you. Then again, those things get shredded in a wind event.

Klinsek
11-30-06, 10:15 AM
I live in Miami and recently purchased (in transit) an LCD with a QAM Tuner built in.

Would anyone have a HD channel lineup available of what I will be able to watch un-encrypted through my coax line?

Trying to determine if its worth shelling out the extra money for a set-top box or roof-top, as I am only living in South Florida for a couple more months.

Thanks in advance!

vikajakub
11-30-06, 01:16 PM
Hi,


I live in Pompano Beach, FL just north of Ft. Lauderdale. Zip code 33060.

I just bought my first HDTV. An Olevia 32 inch (232v) HDTV (built in tuner). Olevia's website has more information on it. (I'd post the link but I'm under 5 posts)

I only have regular Comcast cable. From the wall to the tv. No cable box.

I've been receiving HBO & HBO2 for free forever on channels 98 & 99.

Still do now, except after doing a channel scan with the Tv. I've picked up new channels because after searching and finding all my normal channels through the analog signal, it found a bunch of digital channels.

My tv is weird because it goes into decimal points. I now get these channels:

CBS HD - 79.1
NBA TV - 86.9
PBS HD - 92.1
FOX HD - 92.2
ABC HD - 93.1
NBC HD - 93.2
Encore Movieplex - 110.1 (which I shouldn't be getting)
Starz HD - 110.3 (which I shouldn't be getting)
Encore Westerns 112.5 (which I shouldn't be getting)
Music choice - 117.01-117.54 (which I shouldn't be getting?)
TNT HD 117.55 (which won't turn up in a channel serach, I have to manually enter it each time)
CW HD - 119.3

I don't know if this is the right forum, but is this how other HDTVs display channels? with decimal points?

And I stumbled upon TNT HD. But if I hadn't manually entered 117.55, I would have never found it. Is there a list somewhere that gives all the HD channels in the area?

It'd be nice if ESPN HD was broadcast and I could find it. Any help would be appreciated.

Would an extra attenna do anything to my setup? Is that even relevant to a tv with a built in tuner? Thanks for any help.

-Steve

Hey Steve, Deerfield Beach here, is your STARZ HD gone now? It is gone on my comcast cable :-( since yesterday. Also, Rudy or anybody any idea on calibrating LCD for Cable? how can one calibrate 37D90U for cable TV input. I have done AVIA calibration but settings are only great for DVD player - oversaturated for cable signal (I had to push color from +9 down to -4 to get acceptable color saturation when watching TNT-HD) . Does Comcast or other cable providers send a test signal with color patterns you can use to adjust settings properly? My cable goes directly from the wall to my set. Any idea on calibrating LCDs on cable signal ?

Rudy1
11-30-06, 05:35 PM
Can someone here who has Comcast HD in the Davie area from Comcast of Broward answer some questions for me, please?

1. What HD DVR are they using now?
2. Is the Picture quality on HD really better than Directv's HD Lite?
3. Is it a 750mhz system, or other, with room for HD expansion?
4. I assume their HD DVR has no antenna in for OTA HD?
5. Are all the channels digital, and what is the quality of the non HD channels?
6. Any thing else you think I should no before dumping Directv for Comcast?

Thanks a million!

I do not live in Davie, but I will attempt to answer some of your questions. Comcast is currently using the Motorola DCT6412; the all-digital DCT3412 is coming soon (the DCT3412 will not tune the analog tier channels). The HD picture is much better than that of DirecTV's (but that is no major feat considering how much DirecTV compresses their signal). Most of the systems are 750mhz or better; with the transition of more analog channels to the digital tier, more capacity for HD becomes available. Cable boxes do not have antenna inputs. The first 77 or so channels are analog, and as of this writing they're also being simulcast in digital format (if I recall correctly, you'll find them mapped in the 800 range on the DCT's) in a few areas, with complete coverage expected in Q1 of 2007.

Rudy1
11-30-06, 05:42 PM
Hey Steve, Deerfield Beach here, is your STARZ HD gone now? It is gone on my comcast cable :-( since yesterday. Also, Rudy or anybody any idea on calibrating LCD for Cable? how can one calibrate 37D90U for cable TV input. I have done AVIA calibration but settings are only great for DVD player - oversaturated for cable signal (I had to push color from +9 down to -4 to get acceptable color saturation when watching TNT-HD) . Does Comcast or other cable providers send a test signal with color patterns you can use to adjust settings properly? My cable goes directly from the wall to my set. Any idea on calibrating LCDs on cable signal ?

Starz HD has been encrypted (as it was supposed to be). Comcast doesn't broadcast an HD test pattern that you could use to calibrate your LCD. But you could probably do a good job using just your eyes and no test disc. If you want to get settings right, I would suggest you tune into NBC-HD during the 5 p.m. newscast. The engineer has the equipment tuned so precisely that the images produced by the SD cameras is excellent and translates quite well to the HD broadcasts. Try to get the fleshtones natural looking...then you'll know that the color saturation on your LCD is set right.

hardballpete
11-30-06, 07:59 PM
I appreciate your answers!

vikajakub
12-01-06, 12:07 PM
Starz HD has been encrypted (as it was supposed to be). Comcast doesn't broadcast an HD test pattern that you could use to calibrate your LCD. But you could probably do a good job using just your eyes and no test disc. If you want to get settings right, I would suggest you tune into NBC-HD during the 5 p.m. newscast. The engineer has the equipment tuned so precisely that the images produced by the SD cameras is excellent and translates quite well to the HD broadcasts. Try to get the fleshtones natural looking...then you'll know that the color saturation on your LCD is set right.

Thanks Rudy, I called Comcast to suggest having a test pattern at least one hour per day maybe in the morning at least on one channel- they told me they work on it ( I guess to get rid of me, lol) Apparently INHD has 5 am test pattern on Tuesday ( if I only had it :-) I am reading more analog channels will be converted into digital ( to make more room for HD) Are they gonna be encripted as well or available in clear to basic cable subscribers? Are those guys gonna be forced into digital cable?

slimoli
12-01-06, 12:16 PM
HDNET has a test pattern on Tuesday 8:00 am

Rudy1
12-01-06, 04:52 PM
Thanks Rudy, I called Comcast to suggest having a test pattern at least one hour per day maybe in the morning at least on one channel- they told me they work on it ( I guess to get rid of me, lol) Apparently INHD has 5 am test pattern on Tuesday ( if I only had it :-) I am reading more analog channels will be converted into digital ( to make more room for HD) Are they gonna be encripted as well or available in clear to basic cable subscribers? Are those guys gonna be forced into digital cable?

I forgot about the INHD test pattern (don't think I've actually used it since I recorded it to DVHS tape last year). As for the analog/digital simulcast, only the B1 (Basic Cable) channels will be available unencrypted. If you want to take advantage of the cleaner signals for the entire analog tier, you will need a cable box. Eventually, they expect to reduce the number of available analog channels to just 20 or less; this is necessary to free up bandwidth to make way for more services (including videophone service and HD channels). But for the time being, all of the analog channels will coexist with their digital counterparts (which, by the way, look great and sound even better!).

hardballpete
12-02-06, 07:56 AM
Are the comcast local network HD feeds comparable to what one would get from OTA?

Any one else with a comparison/experience, please feel free to chime in here.

Thanks

isyp
12-02-06, 08:24 AM
I have both OTA and Comcast and would say that picture quality is comparable. Unless you have an outdoor antenna the reliability of the Comact feed is going to be better than what you get with OTA (via rabbit ears). That's been my experience in Plantation anyway.

Isy

Rudy1
12-02-06, 03:45 PM
Are the comcast local network HD feeds comparable to what one would get from OTA?

Any one else with a comparison/experience, please feel free to chime in here.

Thanks

I routinely monitor the quality of the local network HD feeds via Comcast and OTA so that I can report any issues back to the local station engineers as well as the headend manager for Comcast. As viewed on my Toshiba and Samsung DLP's (both of which have onboard ATSC/ClearQAM/CableCard capability), I find that the OTA signal has a very slight edge over the cable signal of the same broadcast, in terms of picture sharpness. Detail and color fidelity appear to be identical, however. If you have the option, I would recommend using your TV's onboard CableCard tuner rather than the cable box (the scalers in the Motorola boxes are not the best on the planet). But when it comes to reliability and signal stability, the cable signal is the way to go. Atmospheric conditions can severely affect your reception of even the strongest OTA signals, particularly if you're restricted to using just an indoor antenna.

97Strat
12-03-06, 04:04 PM
By definition, digital OTA is the best possible signal available. Any other means is 2nd hand, i.e., the signal must pass through another entity (the cable provider) between the souce (the TV station) and your set. That is simply not as clean as a signal received directly from the station.

As for reliability, I've never had any reception issues with my rooftop-mounted 3016 at all, ever - even in the severest of storms (assuming I still had power). Digital VHF (7 & 10) consistently pegs the meter as does UHF. Introducing the cable provider to the mix simply adds one more factor that could negatively affect the signal. There is no way that the cable provider can enhance the OTA signal; it can only detract from it. At best, it can simply pass it along.

Of course if you can't put up a rooftop antenna and rabbit ears (or an indoor) won't cut it, your only choice may be cable (or satellite). But the fact is that a 2nd-hand signal will never be as good as one received directly from the source, i.e., OTA.

Joe

isyp
12-03-06, 04:32 PM
By definition, digital OTA is the best possible signal available. Any other means is 2nd hand, i.e., the signal must pass through another entity (the cable provider) between the souce (the TV station) and your set. That is simply not as clean as a signal received directly from the station.


I was speaking only of my experience looking at the two and comparing picture quality. I have found that the negligible drop in signal strength that may be inherent to cable systems passing the signal doesn't affect the PQ. I also haven’t experienced any of the compression problems common to satellite service with Comcast in the 3 months I’ve had it.

A rooftop antenna in this area should have no problem receiving all of the locals but I speak from experience when I say rabbit ears are not a viable option to reliably receive all of the HD locals.

Rudy1
12-03-06, 04:37 PM
By definition, digital OTA is the best possible signal available. Any other means is 2nd hand, i.e., the signal must pass through another entity (the cable provider) between the souce (the TV station) and your set. That is simply not as clean as a signal received directly from the station.

As for reliability, I've never had any reception issues with my rooftop-mounted 3016 at all, ever - even in the severest of storms (assuming I still had power). Digital VHF (7 & 10) consistently pegs the meter as does UHF. Introducing the cable provider to the mix simply adds one more factor that could negatively affect the signal. There is no way that the cable provider can enhance the OTA signal; it can only detract from it. At best, it can simply pass it along.

Of course if you can't put up a rooftop antenna and rabbit ears (or an indoor) won't cut it, your only choice may be cable (or satellite). But the fact is that a 2nd-hand signal will never be as good as one received directly from the source, i.e., OTA.

Joe

I couldn't agree more. I still prefer the PQ of the OTA digital signal over the cable equivalent. So much so that whenever something happens to disrupt my OTA reception I spend hours doing everything possible to get it back. Anyone who is able to put up a good rooftop antenna should do so by all means. This is particularly important if your viewing preferences lean heavily towards channels that continually multicast, such as WPBT.

vikajakub
12-04-06, 02:01 PM
I forgot about the INHD test pattern (don't think I've actually used it since I recorded it to DVHS tape last year). As for the analog/digital simulcast, only the B1 (Basic Cable) channels will be available unencrypted. If you want to take advantage of the cleaner signals for the entire analog tier, you will need a cable box. Eventually, they expect to reduce the number of available analog channels to just 20 or less; this is necessary to free up bandwidth to make way for more services (including videophone service and HD channels). But for the time being, all of the analog channels will coexist with their digital counterparts (which, by the way, look great and sound even better!).

THanks Rudy, if you could clarify above a bit: so all my analog 2-99 will be moved to DIgital range ( ex. my Aquos 37D90U shows Foxnews on 32 analog and 104.8 digital clear) Will all be in clear and if so, I would not need a STB as I have QAM built in? My HOA includes basic Cable 1-78 plus Hbo 1 and 2 99-98 all analog now. What will happen to that? Just curious to see what awaits me in months or years to come:-) thanks again.

deharry
12-04-06, 03:53 PM
Sorry if this has been dealt with, but I didn't want to read 151 pages to find out! I had a professional here to help install my OTA antenna and we had to eventually give up with only ABC and FOX tuned in. The direction we need to point goes directly through the downtown Fort Lauderdale buildings a half mile away and he said that this was the problem. Has anyone else had a similar problem in a similar area? My zip is 33301. And does anyone have any solutions? We tried two different antennas, a Wineguard square shooter and then a multi-directional one he brought with him which is the one there now. We can't get the West Palm stations either. Will a huge antenna - which I don't think I would buy anyway - make a difference? Or could my "professional" not be that good and I should get someone else out to look into it? I'm not very far from the stations, but perhaps those buildings really do mean I am doomed for OTA reception. Thanks.

I think I may have a solution for you and all others with OTA signal issues.. Go to a Radio Shack and buy the round outdoor antenna that is about 16" diameter and about 2" thick, for about $76. This is what I use in my condo, facing east, where the signal has to go through the building. It is multi directional and will pick up signals in most directions. Try it, you can always bring it back. I found it to be the only one that works for me, allowing me to receive Miami and Palm Beach stations, except 25.1 in Jupiter.

I have it mounted verically on a patio umbrella post ( the lower section of the umbrella) on a cast iron base located on my condo balcony facing east. This allowes me to rotate in a 360 degree angle, to find the strongest signal direction.

Rudy1
12-04-06, 08:11 PM
THanks Rudy, if you could clarify above a bit: so all my analog 2-99 will be moved to DIgital range ( ex. my Aquos 37D90U shows Foxnews on 32 analog and 104.8 digital clear) Will all be in clear and if so, I would not need a STB as I have QAM built in? My HOA includes basic Cable 1-78 plus Hbo 1 and 2 99-98 all analog now. What will happen to that? Just curious to see what awaits me in months or years to come:-) thanks again.

They are simulcasting the entire analog tier in digital format; however, only the following channels are to be broadcast "in the clear" (you may get more or less, depending on how Olevia configured your TV's QAM tuner):

2 WPBT (PBS)

3 TV3

4 WFOR (CBS)

6 WTVJ (NBC)

7 WSVN (FOX)

8 TV Guide

10 WPLG (ABC)

12 Hallmark Channel

14 WBZL-39 (WB Miami)

15 Local Access

17 WLRN (PBS)

19 WPPB-63 (BECON)

20 QVC

22 WDLP-22

23 WLTV (Univision)

26 WGN

33 WBFS (UPN)

35 WPXM (PAX TV)

38 Government Access

39 VH-1

40 C-SPAN

42 WXEL (PBS)

45 WHFT (Trinity)

46 EWTN/NJT

49 Leased Access

51 WSCV (Telemundo)

69 WAMI-69 (Telefutura Hollywood)

70 Home Shopping Network

77 C-SPAN 2

These are the B1 channels; the B2 channels are encrypted in their digital versions, requiring a cable box for viewing. Your analog channels will remain in place, at least until any major changes brought forth by the end of analog OTA transmissions (as I've indicated before, Comcast is considering dropping all but a few analog channels at that time in favor of digital versions).

vikajakub
12-05-06, 10:11 AM
Thanks Rudy, our HOA gets us B2 with HBO, all included in our monthly maitnance, so I am not sure how that will affect 500 households here - B1 digital clear, B2 with the box? How much is to lease the box, $10/mo per each hook up? Now we pay $22 for entire service per home regardless of how many hook ups we use (baulk deal). Sounds like a major price increase to all of us here if we want to remain Comcast customers after 2008 ( unless you give us free boxes). Well, still 2 years left to worry about that:-) and I am sure you have millions of people on analog cable in Broward county to take care of by feb. 2009. What would be a likely scenerio in your opinior here?

UMLegalEagle
12-05-06, 11:08 PM
Hello fellow South Floridians. Will be receiving my XBR2 on Thursday and will be installing CableCard shortly. My question is whether anyone knows of a good calibrator (preferably familiar with Sonys and XBRs) in the Coral Gables area. If so, please e-mail message me or simply respond in a post. Thanks.

hardballpete
12-06-06, 05:48 PM
Decided to switch from Directv to Comcast for various reasons. Had an install scheduled today at 2pm. At about 3pm, they call me and tell me they don't have ANY HD DVR's or HD boxes of any kind!

Say what?

How can you be in the cable biz, and not have boxes? WTF? Couldn't they overnight some HD equipment from an area that HAS some?

Not a great 1st impression here.

Unreal!

Ericglo
12-06-06, 07:39 PM
Hardball, this is for you! (http://youtube.com/watch?v=CvVp7b5gzqU):)

Klinsek
12-07-06, 07:34 PM
Decided to switch from Directv to Comcast for various reasons. Had an install scheduled today at 2pm. At about 3pm, they call me and tell me they don't have ANY HD DVR's or HD boxes of any kind!

Say what?

How can you be in the cable biz, and not have boxes? WTF? Couldn't they overnight some HD equipment from an area that HAS some?

Not a great 1st impression here.

Unreal!

Typical Comcast. Sorry to hear that.

Thats like them telling me it would be $35 to send a tech out to swap me out to an HD set top. Um, no?

hardballpete
12-07-06, 07:43 PM
No Hi Def boxes of any kind?

Does an auto dealer have no cars?
Does Sports Authority have no hard cups?
Does Tony Roma have no ribs?
Does McDonald's have no meat patties(or whatever's in those things)?
Does Victoria's Secret have no crotchless panties?

WOW!

Klinsek
12-07-06, 08:28 PM
Just thought I would chime in with the HD lineup I get through my Comcast line right from the wall.

I am in Miami Shores, 33138.

I have a Sceptre x32 Komodo, so the QAM tuner picks the channels up in these wierd upper ranges.

49-202 - ESPNHD - 720p
118-211 - NBCHD - 1080i
118-210 - ABCHD - 720p
117-220 - PBSHD - 1080i
117-212 - CBSHD - 1080i
116-214 - CWHD - 1080i
116-200 - Test Pattern
115-204 - TNTHD - 1080i - (no audio?)
112-213 - FOXHD - 720p

Anyone know why I can't get audio through on TNTHD? Encrypted?

Eddy13
12-07-06, 09:06 PM
Anyone experiencing Audio Drop Outs on occasions on channel 7-1 South Florida.... I have bee nexp this for like 3 week snow very annoying.. I lose the sound for like 5 seconds and it comes back on and every 5-10 min it drops.. is channel 7 having problems or is it me.. I get a good signal from my antenna as well.. I have a hughs hd tivo receiver and use direct tv...

wjbjr
12-07-06, 09:29 PM
Anyone experiencing Audio Drop Outs on occasions on channel 7-1 South Florida.... I have bee nexp this for like 3 week snow very annoying.. I lose the sound for like 5 seconds and it comes back on and every 5-10 min it drops.. is channel 7 having problems or is it me.. I get a good signal from my antenna as well.. I have a hughs hd tivo receiver and use direct tv...

That problem exists for HR10-250 users and FOX affiliates countrywide. The HR10 "upgrade" made the receivers incompatible with the OTA audio equipment used by all FOX affiliates. This has been going on for several months, and there is no indication of a fix other than "we are working on it".

Rudy1
12-08-06, 05:26 PM
No Hi Def boxes of any kind?

Does an auto dealer have no cars?
Does Sports Authority have no hard cups?
Does Tony Roma have no ribs?
Does McDonald's have no meat patties(or whatever's in those things)?
Does Victoria's Secret have no crotchless panties?

WOW!

You'll have better luck if you go pick up your box. I understand that the Pompano location has the DCT6412 Series III DVR available as of Wednesday of this week. Frankly, I don't think it's a good idea to have the techs install your boxes. It's faster and easier if you just pick up the units and install them yourself.

Rudy1
12-08-06, 05:28 PM
Just thought I would chime in with the HD lineup I get through my Comcast line right from the wall.

I am in Miami Shores, 33138.

I have a Sceptre x32 Komodo, so the QAM tuner picks the channels up in these wierd upper ranges.

49-202 - ESPNHD - 720p
118-211 - NBCHD - 1080i
118-210 - ABCHD - 720p
117-220 - PBSHD - 1080i
117-212 - CBSHD - 1080i
116-214 - CWHD - 1080i
116-200 - Test Pattern
115-204 - TNTHD - 1080i - (no audio?)
112-213 - FOXHD - 720p

Anyone know why I can't get audio through on TNTHD? Encrypted?

Your issue with audio on TNT-HD has to do with the firmware running on your TV's ClearQAM chip. But I wouldn't worry about it if I were you...you're getting ESPN-HD and that is DEFINITELY encrypted. ;)

Rudy1
12-08-06, 05:34 PM
Thanks Rudy, our HOA gets us B2 with HBO, all included in our monthly maitnance, so I am not sure how that will affect 500 households here - B1 digital clear, B2 with the box? How much is to lease the box, $10/mo per each hook up? Now we pay $22 for entire service per home regardless of how many hook ups we use (baulk deal). Sounds like a major price increase to all of us here if we want to remain Comcast customers after 2008 ( unless you give us free boxes). Well, still 2 years left to worry about that:-) and I am sure you have millions of people on analog cable in Broward county to take care of by feb. 2009. What would be a likely scenerio in your opinior here?

I'm not privy to any details, but I can tell you that the current policy is to encrypt anything above the B1 tier so that you are required to rent a box to get anything above that. However, keep in mind that the FCC is requiring that cable companies discontinue the practice of renting boxes to subs...the emphasis is being placed on allowing consumers to purchase displays or cable tuners with ALL of the current capabilities of the boxes that are being rented. What effect this may eventually have on subscription rates is anybody's guess.

hardballpete
12-08-06, 06:51 PM
How do I go about picking up tha HD DVR from Pompano, if I'm not installed yet and not on the books as a customer yet.

I called them today at 954 782-6713 and they sais no HD DVR's or HD boxes yet. Scheduled me for next friday in hopes of getting them next week.

And why don't they know to check with Pompano to see if they have the box!

Thanks for your response. You are Comcastic, son!

Rudy1
12-09-06, 04:21 PM
How do I go about picking up tha HD DVR from Pompano, if I'm not installed yet and not on the books as a customer yet.

I called them today at 954 782-6713 and they sais no HD DVR's or HD boxes yet. Scheduled me for next friday in hopes of getting them next week.

And why don't they know to check with Pompano to see if they have the box!

Thanks for your response. You are Comcastic, son!

Check your PM's.

Klinsek
12-09-06, 06:33 PM
Your issue with audio on TNT-HD has to do with the firmware running on your TV's ClearQAM chip. But I wouldn't worry about it if I were you...you're getting ESPN-HD and that is DEFINITELY encrypted. ;)

Hmm, too bad I am not really into sports. :P

Thanks for the info though.

dmwierz
12-09-06, 07:43 PM
Does anyone know of a good DirecTV installer in Miami? The guy who handles the system for my apartment building on Brickell Avenue is refusing to hook me up since I bought my HR20 from Circuit City and not him (he was quoting 2+ weels lead time when I asked about it).

Thanks,

Dennis

vikajakub
12-11-06, 02:26 PM
Does anyone know of a good DirecTV installer in Miami? The guy who handles the system for my apartment building on Brickell Avenue is refusing to hook me up since I bought my HR20 from Circuit City and not him (he was quoting 2+ weels lead time when I asked about it).

Thanks,

Dennis

CALL AT 954 274 01 45 Corry, great guy, knows his stuff. Miami and Broward area.

dmwierz
12-11-06, 02:41 PM
CALL AT 954 274 01 45 Corry, great guy, knows his stuff. Miami and Broward area.

Thanks. I just got off the phone with DirecTV and they were astounded that, not only did the guy charge me to do the original install, but that he wanted MORE money to come out and finish the installation.

if they can't get the contractor assigned to my building to do his job, I will give Corry a call.

Thanks again,

Dennis

pglenn
12-11-06, 04:18 PM
questions regarding carblecards...

what is the cost of a cablecard if anything above the cost of my current plan? what is the "minimal" plan needed for a cablecard? and what would a cablecard give me that I dont already have?

FYI - I currently use my HTPC for receiving all my cable and displaying through my Toshiba 37HL95 TV. I have an HD card in the PC that allows me to view the unencrypted-QAM HD channels --- including PBS/CBS/NBC/FOX/ABC :-) (and a few "hidden" digital channels) -- so I dont WANT a cable-box and I dont NEED the cablecard. I also currently just have the "basic" $10 package (but as stated get a few "hidden gems" with my QAM receiver) and at this time prefer NOT to upgrade my plan.

FIU Panther
12-12-06, 11:10 AM
Does anyone in the Hialeah Area (33018) have any problems with Comcast. I just bought a Vizio GV42L and although it has gotten great reviews online, I seem to have bit of a "swimming grain" problem. The images look a bit grainy in HD, both in the my GV42L and a HD Toshiba CRT my father has.

Could the connections in my house be weak, or bad? If so will Comcast come and reconfigure the house to produce a crisper image for free or will they charge?

Is DirectTV a better option for a clearer picture?

slimoli
12-12-06, 12:27 PM
I doubt Directv can be a better option. The picture is terrible for SD and very grainny for HD. I chaged to Atlantic Broadband and the HD now looks like a real HD. MY guess is that Comcast also has a better picture than Directv and if you complain (nicely) I think they will come over and check everything for free.

Sergio

97Strat
12-12-06, 10:02 PM
I doubt Directv can be a better option. The picture is terrible for SD and very grainny for HD. I chaged to Atlantic Broadband and the HD now looks like a real HD. MY guess is that Comcast also has a better picture than Directv and if you complain (nicely) I think they will come over and check everything for free.
Sergio, I don't know that DirecTV is any worse than cable. My neighbor has a 61" 1080p Mitsu with DirecTV and an OTA antenna in his attic (2-story house). Stuff like DiscoveryHD looks as good as anything coming in OTA in HD. Just an observation - YMMV.

Joe

slimoli
12-12-06, 10:44 PM
Joe

I had Dish,TWC,Directv and now Atlantic Broadband. On my 73" TV Directv looked really bad, specially SD. It's a well known fact that D* doesn't send a full HD signal but the so called "HD-LIGHT". When I switched from D* to ABB I could see the big difference between full HD and HD-Light. Discovery-HD looks good even in HD-Light , I agree, but watching a movie on HBO makes a huge difference. BTW, I still keep my D* account in suspended mode , waiting to see how things go with the new channels promised for the Summer of 2007. If they really launch 40 new HD channels it will be tough to stay with cable. My preference would be Dish but here where we live we need 2 dishes to get all the HD channels and I don't have SE view from my balcony.

Sergio

97Strat
12-13-06, 06:53 AM
This brings up an interesting question, at least for me. Is there any way to find out exactly what kind of signal each of the 3rd party vendors broadcasts? By 'kind', I mean quality - as in full bandwith as compared to "HD-Lite" or whatever.

Joe

zahidism
12-16-06, 11:17 PM
Weird problem. I have no idea where to post it maybe you guys could help me with it. I live the kendall area and just set up my panny, I recieve ABC 10.1 perfectly but I cant get 6.1 one to come at all. 4.1 works on and off. 7.1 works. Why cant I receive UHF? I have a terk hdtva.

wjbjr
12-17-06, 12:02 AM
Weird problem. I have no idea where to post it maybe you guys could help me with it. I live the kendall area and just set up my panny, I recieve ABC 10.1 perfectly but I cant get 6.1 one to come at all. 4.1 works on and off. 7.1 works. Why cant I receive UHF? I have a terk hdtva.

Welcome to the wonderful world of HDTV and to the group.

Wherever you are in Kendall might be too far from the transmitters for an indoor antenna. If you live in a single family home, you might consider an outdoor antenna. Have it mounted at about 20 feet high and properly aimed.

By the way, there is no difference between a so called "HDTV" antenna and one that does not carry that designation.

Interesting that you have no problem with 10.1. It has the weakest signal of all the major network stations.

97Strat
12-17-06, 12:03 PM
Welcome to the wonderful world of HDTV and to the group.

Wherever you are in Kendall might be too far from the transmitters for an indoor antenna. If you live in a single family home, you might consider an outdoor antenna. Have it mounted at about 20 feet high and properly aimed.

By the way, there is no difference between a so called "HDTV" antenna and one that does not carry that designation.

Interesting that you have no problem with 10.1. It has the weakest signal of all the major network stations.
Bill, according to w9wi, WSVN-DT (14.4kw erp) is a bit weaker than WPLG-DT (15.8kw erp): http://www.w9wi.com/tvdb/states/fl.htm

Joe

Red Baron
12-20-06, 09:54 PM
Just thought I would chime in with the HD lineup I get through my Comcast line right from the wall.

I am in Miami Shores, 33138.

I have a Sceptre x32 Komodo, so the QAM tuner picks the channels up in these wierd upper ranges.

49-202 - ESPNHD - 720p
118-211 - NBCHD - 1080i
118-210 - ABCHD - 720p
117-220 - PBSHD - 1080i
117-212 - CBSHD - 1080i
116-214 - CWHD - 1080i
116-200 - Test Pattern
115-204 - TNTHD - 1080i - (no audio?)
112-213 - FOXHD - 720p

Anyone know why I can't get audio through on TNTHD? Encrypted?Your issue with audio on TNT-HD has to do with the firmware running on your TV's ClearQAM chip. But I wouldn't worry about it if I were you...you're getting ESPN-HD and that is DEFINITELY encrypted. ;)
Here in Pinecrest (33156), I get all the same channels from Comcast, along with the lack of audio on TNT-HD, on a Sharp LC-32D4U. How do you know that it is a firmware issue with the TV that is responsible for the audio difficulty on TNTHD?

mrravionline
12-21-06, 12:06 AM
HI, I live in Weston and for some reason I can never get WSVN (7.1) HD but as a substitute i was able to get WFLX-DT which is broadcast from West Palm Beach.
But as of 2 days ago, I am unable to get any signal OTA from this station.
Have anyone else facing the same issue?

renamed
12-21-06, 08:17 AM
Here in Pinecrest (33156), I get all the same channels from Comcast, along with the lack of audio on TNT-HD, on a Sharp LC-32D4U. How do you know that it is a firmware issue with the TV that is responsible for the audio difficulty on TNTHD?


I get audio on TNT-HD at 117.300

stonecrd
12-21-06, 10:07 AM
HI, I live in Weston and for some reason I can never get WSVN (7.1) HD but as a substitute i was able to get WFLX-DT which is broadcast from West Palm Beach.
But as of 2 days ago, I am unable to get any signal OTA from this station.
Have anyone else facing the same issue?

Do you get 10-1 WPLG Ok? Both WPLG & WSVN are VHF while WFLX is UHF, so if you have a UHF only antenna you may have a problem. I can get both WFLX and WSVN, I am in Weston Hills, with a small indoor Radio Schack antenna.

Grampaw
12-21-06, 10:13 AM
Per a post in the West Palm Beach Forum WFLX-DT will be off the air until Saturday.
Unknown reason.

Walt

neeshu89
12-25-06, 01:05 PM
I'm down in Miami for vacation and I wanted to know what channel the Rutgers game will be on on Thursday. I wasn't sure if nfl network hd games come on INHD or the HDSE channel

renamed
12-25-06, 02:10 PM
Happy Holidays everyone...

renamed
12-25-06, 02:35 PM
I'm down in Miami for vacation and I wanted to know what channel the Rutgers game will be on on Thursday. I wasn't sure if nfl network hd games come on INHD or the HDSE channel

If it is an HD game, it will show on HDSE, but i dont know if its going to be shown on HD since its a College Bowl game but more likely it will. The only person who could know a little bit more would be Rudy1.

tedler
12-26-06, 03:07 PM
WHEN will Advanced Cable Communications in Weston get CBS-HD????

It has been over a year since they told me "any day now", and still I wait.

Does anyone else care about this and find it a pain in the butt, or just me?

nortynorty
12-27-06, 07:22 AM
The only solution for me was to get a Radio Shack Model U-75R antenna and mount it in my attic as I too have ACC and live in Weston. Got the information on the location of the antenna farm from antennaweb, went into my attic with my compass and set the antenna between the joists. Crystal clear picture. Worked for me in my location, hopefully it will work for you. Minimal investment and of course Radio Shack's return policy is very good in the event it doesn't work for you.

Grampaw
12-27-06, 10:01 AM
I noticed this morning that WSVN-DT 7-2 is now carrying the SD version of 7-1.
At least WSVN isn't using the stretch-o-vision on the main channel like WPLG.
No more local weather sub-channel, just NBC's Weather Plus on WPTV 5-2 and WTVJ 6-2.

Walt

97Strat
12-27-06, 07:29 PM
7-2 is back to the weather thing now. Didn't see it when it wasn't weather, but I agree - at least they're not distorting their local feed on 7-1 like WPLG-DT does on 10-1.

Joe

Mike4HDTV
12-28-06, 09:49 AM
WHEN will Advanced Cable Communications in Weston get CBS-HD????

It has been over a year since they told me "any day now", and still I wait.

Does anyone else care about this and find it a pain in the butt, or just me?


I would think that they would add it before Feb. 3rd. I use this date because the Superbowl is on Feb. 4th and it's on CBS.

LMG1985
12-30-06, 03:00 AM
I picked up my sony KDL-46V2500 around black Friday. On my digital channels, some channels get audio while some do not. What is the problem ? Also, I would like to know what I can do to get a better picture. I am running stock everything and running comcast cable. Is there anything out there to boost the signal to get more channels WITH audio and help the pq ? Thanks for any info

renamed
12-30-06, 09:53 PM
I picked up my sony KDL-46V2500 around black Friday. On my digital channels, some channels get audio while some do not. What is the problem ? Also, I would like to know what I can do to get a better picture. I am running stock everything and running comcast cable. Is there anything out there to boost the signal to get more channels WITH audio and help the pq ? Thanks for any info

What channels are you not getting audio on. I recently bought a Sony XBR2 46inch and for a week i was using QAM, but since comcast is encrypting most of all HDTV premium channels, i decided to get a box.

As you read on this thread, you are not alone, while some people get no audio on TNT-HD, i did. Have you tried playing around with the PQ settings on the TV? A booster only helps if you have one feed going to mutiple TV's. I would suggest you do a search in the LCD theads for user settings on your TV.

Hope this helps.

stonecrd
01-01-07, 09:10 AM
WHEN will Advanced Cable Communications in Weston get CBS-HD????

It has been over a year since they told me "any day now", and still I wait.

Does anyone else care about this and find it a pain in the butt, or just me?

WHo knows with these guys. I keep my OTA around just for CBS and hurricanes. AC is advertising Nat Geo but have yet to put it in the lineup. They get NFL network but then don't negotiate for the live games (I think D* is the only one that carries them, what is up with that?). They have a lock on my $ and the city wimped out on the lawsuite so until they get some real competion they can do whatever they want.

Grampaw
01-01-07, 12:47 PM
E* also has the NFL net and NFL-HD, and carries the live games.

Happy New Year !

Walt

Yardy
01-04-07, 01:21 PM
questions regarding carblecards...

what is the cost of a cablecard if anything above the cost of my current plan? what is the "minimal" plan needed for a cablecard? and what would a cablecard give me that I dont already have?

FYI - I currently use my HTPC for receiving all my cable and displaying through my Toshiba 37HL95 TV. I have an HD card in the PC that allows me to view the unencrypted-QAM HD channels --- including PBS/CBS/NBC/FOX/ABC :-) (and a few "hidden" digital channels) -- so I dont WANT a cable-box and I dont NEED the cablecard. I also currently just have the "basic" $10 package (but as stated get a few "hidden gems" with my QAM receiver) and at this time prefer NOT to upgrade my plan.

pglenn
There is no cost for the cable card itself but there is a $5 monthly fee to get ALL the locals IN HD plus ESPN 1 & 2 HD, DiscoveryHD, TNTHD, INHD, MTVHD. You are probally already getting everything with your QAM tuner except Discovery, MTV, ESPN and INHD so those are the only additionals you would get with just the basic $5 cable card service. You can also get premium hd channels (hbo, Cinemax etc) for about $24 per month. They might also want to charge you a one time fee of $17 to install the card.

I just bought a Sony KDF-E42A10 RP LCD TV with cable card slot (They are blowing them out at Brandsmart for only $799.00) and decided to use a cable card so I can get Discovery HD and ESPN HD. Plus I could not get FoxHD, NBCHD. ABCHD or PBSHD with my qam tuner.

neptune100
01-06-07, 01:20 AM
I'm here in the 33176 and i still have adelphia service when are my channels going to become comcasts's?!?!

tedler
01-07-07, 03:47 PM
WHo knows with these guys. I keep my OTA around just for CBS and hurricanes. AC is advertising Nat Geo but have yet to put it in the lineup. They get NFL network but then don't negotiate for the live games (I think D* is the only one that carries them, what is up with that?). They have a lock on my $ and the city wimped out on the lawsuite so until they get some real competion they can do whatever they want.

They are morons, period. I also have an OTA antenna to get CBS-HD, but WHO CARES if it can't be recorded! I gave up watching commercials 6 years ago with Tivo & Replay. I am not about to spend $800 for that overpriced series 3 tivo.
I don't understand what makes CBS so damn special that ACC won't add it to their HD lineup...I want to record the best shows (the CSI's and Criminal Minds) on television in HD!

Down the street in Boneventure they have Comcast, and get every HD station available, including channels 33 and 39.

ACC sucks, plain and simple. I wish everyone who subscribed to their HD service decided to cancel the thing using the reason that they don't get CBS-HD, and that we are all switching to D* because they DO! (even though it is HD-Lite).

ame929
01-09-07, 08:21 AM
Hi all.

I just moved to Pompano Beach, running Comcast on a Motorola DCT3416 which the technician brought during the installation. Things seem to be running alright, but for some reason, ESPNHD and ESPN2HD don't come in, and say 'One Moment Please, Channel Should be Available Shortly.'

I called Comcast and they have no clue.

Any ideas?

Thanks!

renamed
01-09-07, 10:40 PM
Hi all.

I just moved to Pompano Beach, running Comcast on a Motorola DCT3416 which the technician brought during the installation. Things seem to be running alright, but for some reason, ESPNHD and ESPN2HD don't come in, and say 'One Moment Please, Channel Should be Available Shortly.'

I called Comcast and they have no clue.

Any ideas?

Thanks!


Have comcast reset or "send a signal" to your box. Most of the time this clears it up, but if it does not, just go to the nearest comcast store, explain the problem and you will get a replacement on the spot.

ame929
01-10-07, 07:51 AM
We tried having the signal sent already, and it still didn't change the situation. I doubt its the box since I have two boxes and the problem exists on both.

yanksno1
01-10-07, 12:01 PM
We tried having the signal sent already, and it still didn't change the situation. I doubt its the box since I have two boxes and the problem exists on both.You might need to schedule an appointment to make sure you have the appropriate bandwidth allowed (I think from the main box to your cable hookup). I remember the installer mentioning he needed to check that when setting me up.

mirlene
01-10-07, 04:11 PM
Hello:
I live in 33133 (near Coconut Grove) and I recently purchased an LCD TV with built-in HDTV tuner (no QAM tuner though). Silly me, I assumed that all you had to do was connect an HDTV to get HD. After coming across this forum I have learned that is far from the case.

I currently have standard Comcast cable (no box) and satellite but I kept coming across references to HDTV indoor antennas (someone on the forum suggested the RadioShack 15-1892 http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2131034&cp ).

I was just wondering if it really makes that much of a difference to see these channels in HD vs. SD - I know it may be a stupid question but before I shell out $50 on an antenna just wanted to make sure it was worthwhile. Thanks!

Yardy
01-11-07, 09:35 AM
Hello:
I live in 33133 (near Coconut Grove) and I recently purchased an LCD TV with built-in HDTV tuner (no QAM tuner though). Silly me, I assumed that all you had to do was connect an HDTV to get HD. After coming across this forum I have learned that is far from the case.

I currently have standard Comcast cable (no box) and satellite but I kept coming across references to HDTV indoor antennas (someone on the forum suggested the RadioShack 15-1892 http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2131034&cp ).

I was just wondering if it really makes that much of a difference to see these channels in HD vs. SD - I know it may be a stupid question but before I shell out $50 on an antenna just wanted to make sure it was worthwhile. Thanks!

The diffrence between SD and HD to me is almost like night & day. You owe it to yourself to at least get an antenna and experience some HD. Super Bowl is coming up and even if you dont like football the spectacular is fun to watch in HD. You can also get cheaper indoor antennas at Walmart, Target or Kmart. Bransdmart has a wide selection. Dont delay any longer.....go get one :)

mirlene
01-11-07, 12:35 PM
Yardy thanks for your response (and not laughing at my question). I will definitely be treating myself to some HD soon, hopefully even this weekend =)

Yardy
01-11-07, 01:06 PM
Yardy thanks for your response (and not laughing at my question). I will definitely be treating myself to some HD soon, hopefully even this weekend =)


You're welcome Mirlene.You'll have to rotate the antenna until the channels come in. You didn't say where you are located but it is unlikely that all the HD channels will come in with the antenna in a particular position. For instance, you might get ABCHD & FOXHD in one position and NBCHD, CWHD and CBSHD in another. Your position in relation to the transmission towers will determine this.

Rudy1
01-11-07, 08:07 PM
Expect to see National Geographic Explorer HD, Universal HD, and A&E HD in the coming weeks. Also, those of you with ClearQAM tuners need to be aware that you'll have to perform a new channel scan in the next few days...they're realigning the digital channels, so some of YOUR channel locations may change. Sorry, but I forgot to write down the launch dates for the new channels (as usual).

dealdoug
01-11-07, 09:03 PM
What is the deal with the Clear QAM TUners? I am in Davie on Comcast and I have a Sceptre LCD and an Olevia LCD. THe Sceptre seems to get every clear channel I expected while the Olevia does not get NBCHD, ABCHD, FOXHD and a few others but does pull in CBSHD and Channel 33 in HD along with lots of SD basic channels?

slimoli
01-11-07, 09:23 PM
Expect to see National Geographic Explorer HD, Universal HD, and A&E HD in the coming weeks. Also, those of you with ClearQAM tuners need to be aware that you'll have to perform a new channel scan in the next few days...they're realigning the digital channels, so some of YOUR channel locations may change. Sorry, but I forgot to write down the launch dates for the new channels (as usual).

Congrats Comcast ! Can we ABB customers expect anything hidef soon?

Sergio

Rudy1
01-11-07, 09:44 PM
What is the deal with the Clear QAM TUners? I am in Davie on Comcast and I have a Sceptre LCD and an Olevia LCD. THe Sceptre seems to get every clear channel I expected while the Olevia does not get NBCHD, ABCHD, FOXHD and a few others but does pull in CBSHD and Channel 33 in HD along with lots of SD basic channels?

All TVs which use a particular ATSC/QAM chipset have problems "finding" these same channels on Comcast. I just spoke to engineering about this (again!) tonight, and they're going to see if the engineering headquarters in Denver can figure out how to resolve this ongoing issue. So far, affected manufacturers include Toshiba, Panasonic, Vizio, and Samsung (all of which I've personally tested, though the problem only affects some of these manufacturer's models, not all of them).

dealdoug
01-11-07, 10:00 PM
All TVs which use a particular ATSC/QAM chipset have problems "finding" these same channels on Comcast. I just spoke to engineering about this (again!) tonight, and they're going to see if the engineering headquarters in Denver can figure out how to resolve this ongoing issue. So far, affected manufacturers include Toshiba, Panasonic, Vizio, and Samsung (all of which I've personally tested, though the problem only affects some of these manufacturer's models, not all of them).

I just assumed that the Olevia tuner was inferior. I would really be upset if I bought one of those major name brands and it did not work. I am probably going to just retun the Olevia in favor of the Sceptre which seems to work well with Comcast despite the incredible deal I got on the Olevia.

Yardy
01-12-07, 08:57 AM
All TVs which use a particular ATSC/QAM chipset have problems "finding" these same channels on Comcast. I just spoke to engineering about this (again!) tonight, and they're going to see if the engineering headquarters in Denver can figure out how to resolve this ongoing issue. So far, affected manufacturers include Toshiba, Panasonic, Vizio, and Samsung (all of which I've personally tested, though the problem only affects some of these manufacturer's models, not all of them).

You can include Sony as well. My KDF-E42A10 does not pick up NBC, ABC, FOX OR PBS. HD channels.

dealdoug
01-12-07, 09:34 AM
You can include Sony as well. My KDF-E42A10 does not pick up NBC, ABC, FOX OR PBS. HD channels.

Wow I'm feeling pretty lucky with my Costco Sceptre LCD it pulls in all the majors in HD and a slew of On Demand signals in addition to most of the basic simulcasted in SD.

Is this only a temporary thing because once Comcast makes the move to primarily digital we are all going to be forced to get their STB?

deharry
01-12-07, 09:55 AM
All TVs which use a particular ATSC/QAM chipset have problems "finding" these same channels on Comcast. I just spoke to engineering about this (again!) tonight, and they're going to see if the engineering headquarters in Denver can figure out how to resolve this ongoing issue. So far, affected manufacturers include Toshiba, Panasonic, Vizio, and Samsung (all of which I've personally tested, though the problem only affects some of these manufacturer's models, not all of them).

Hello Rudi

So far, we know that Toshiba, Panasonic, Sony, Olivia, Vizio and Samsung have the 92.XX and 93.XX problem, of not decoding PBS, NBC, FOX and ABC local HD stations. Which makes me wonder, what happens with NBC 5.1, ABC 25.1 and FOX 29.1 on Comcast service in West Palm Beach? Do they have a similar decoding QAM problem? Is this a Comcast only issue in our area?

I am being a bit cynical here, because it seems that the "prime" HD local stations are not available to QAM tuners, in the named brands above, and how many more? We are forced to get a ugly box, which means additional cost to us and potential profits to Comcast with the "On Demand" service.

In all fairness to Comcast, here in Fort Lauderdale Fox HD is no longer a problem, because they have shifted it to 87.2, and I get it fine. How did they accomplish the shift and fix, and why can't they do the same for the others?

Yardy
01-12-07, 03:54 PM
"In all fairness to Comcast, here in Fort Lauderdale Fox HD is no longer a problem, because they have shifted it to 87.2, and I get it fine. How did they accomplish the shift and fix, and why can't they do the same for the others? "

In that case I'll have to do a rescan on my Toshiba in the living room. I didn't want the "ugly box" either, thats why I bought the Sony tv with cablecard for my bedroom. Cost $5 per month but that the only way I could get all my locals plus Espn 1 & 2 , Discovery etc. Good deal to me.

Question for Rudy or anyone who may now. When the new channels (National Geographic Explorer HD, Universal HD, and A&E HD) become avaliable, do I need to call Comcast to send a signal to the cablecard to open these channels or would it just need to do a rescan?Is it the same procedure for the "box" as it is for cablecards?
Thanks

Rudy1
01-12-07, 06:32 PM
Hello Rudi

So far, we know that Toshiba, Panasonic, Sony, Olivia, Vizio and Samsung have the 92.XX and 93.XX problem, of not decoding PBS, NBC, FOX and ABC local HD stations. Which makes me wonder, what happens with NBC 5.1, ABC 25.1 and FOX 29.1 on Comcast service in West Palm Beach? Do they have a similar decoding QAM problem? Is this a Comcast only issue in our area?

I am being a bit cynical here, because it seems that the "prime" HD local stations are not available to QAM tuners, in the named brands above, and how many more? We are forced to get a ugly box, which means additional cost to us and potential profits to Comcast with the "On Demand" service.

In all fairness to Comcast, here in Fort Lauderdale Fox HD is no longer a problem, because they have shifted it to 87.2, and I get it fine. How did they accomplish the shift and fix, and why can't they do the same for the others?

I just tried 87-2, and WSVN-HD is not there anymore. There is nothing there...and the rest of the 87-X range is filled with adverts for NHL On Demand programming. :confused:

Rudy1
01-12-07, 06:33 PM
"In all fairness to Comcast, here in Fort Lauderdale Fox HD is no longer a problem, because they have shifted it to 87.2, and I get it fine. How did they accomplish the shift and fix, and why can't they do the same for the others? "

In that case I'll have to do a rescan on my Toshiba in the living room. I didn't want the "ugly box" either, thats why I bought the Sony tv with cablecard for my bedroom. Cost $5 per month but that the only way I could get all my locals plus Espn 1 & 2 , Discovery etc. Good deal to me.

Question for Rudy or anyone who may now. When the new channels (National Geographic Explorer HD, Universal HD, and A&E HD) become avaliable, do I need to call Comcast to send a signal to the cablecard to open these channels or would it just need to do a rescan?Is it the same procedure for the "box" as it is for cablecards?
Thanks

If the new channels are part of the lineup for your subscription level, they will appear without you having to do anything (or at least that's what Comcast is anticipating).

dealdoug
01-12-07, 06:50 PM
I just tried 87-2, and WSVN-HD is not there anymore. There is nothing there...and the rest of the 87-X range is filled with adverts for NHL On Demand programming. :confused:
It shows up at 85-1 on my Sceptre LCD but not at all on the Olevia.

BDCat
01-13-07, 09:31 AM
Expect to see National Geographic Explorer HD, Universal HD, and A&E HD in the coming weeks. ...
Any new HD channels are good and thanks for the info. Any word about the Versus/Golf HD channel. It is popping up around the country and will, I would think, be here at some point. I'm not too concerned about this channel but I know my wife would enjoy the HD golf! :)

jdg345
01-13-07, 10:52 AM
The diffrence between SD and HD to me is almost like night & day. You owe it to yourself to at least get an antenna and experience some HD. Super Bowl is coming up and even if you dont like football the spectacular is fun to watch in HD. You can also get cheaper indoor antennas at Walmart, Target or Kmart. Bransdmart has a wide selection. Dont delay any longer.....go get one :)

Hi there ... I have a viewsonic tv with a built in tuner (no QAM so I can't use my cable connection) ... but I tried like 3 different HD Antennas from Best Buy and none of them worked. I did a scan and it wasn't able to pick up a single OTA HD Feed. Is there a ranking/rating as to which indoor OTA HD antennas are best?

rtr0id
01-13-07, 11:32 AM
Hi there ... I have a viewsonic tv with a built in tuner (no QAM so I can't use my cable connection) ... but I tried like 3 different HD Antennas from Best Buy and none of them worked. I did a scan and it wasn't able to pick up a single OTA HD Feed. Is there a ranking/rating as to which indoor OTA HD antennas are best?


did u point the antenna in the right direction? try antennaweb.org for help in pointing antenna

JeffBowser
01-13-07, 03:53 PM
That doesn't sound like an antenna problem - even a coat hanger will pick up at least one channel.......

Rudy1
01-13-07, 09:44 PM
Those of you looking for something pretty to show off your hidef displays should check out the new offerings in the Comcast On Demand Gallery. ;)

Yardy
01-16-07, 10:46 AM
Promo for FSNHD has been appearing on channel 200 since at least sunday. It's just a rotating 3D image of the logo. I'm assuming this channel will be avaliable shortly.

BDCat
01-16-07, 11:12 AM
Promo for FSNHD has been appearing on channel 200 since at least sunday. It's just a rotating 3D image of the logo. I'm assuming this channel will be avaliable shortly.

The Fox Sports Network HD channel (200) spends the vast majority of it s time displaying that rotating logo. On occasion it will show a live Marlins or Panthers game. Like tonight at 7.30 when a Panthers game is scheduled.

Whether or not you consider this an appropriate use of HD bandwidth probably depends on just how much of a sports nut you are! :(

Yardy
01-16-07, 01:08 PM
The Fox Sports Network HD channel (200) spends the vast majority of it s time displaying that rotating logo. On occasion it will show a live Marlins or Panthers game. Like tonight at 7.30 when a Panthers game is scheduled.

Whether or not you consider this an appropriate use of HD bandwidth probably depends on just how much of a sports nut you are! :(

Oh..I didn't realize it's always there.

hardballpete
01-16-07, 03:32 PM
And the stupid thing is that the guide never shows when they're broadcasting anything! It always says off air...even when they have something on air!

WTF?????

Petteri
01-16-07, 04:42 PM
Any idea on when Comcast here in South Florida will be adding the VS./Golf HD channel?

I really like the FSN HD channel, I have full season tickets to the Panthers so I don't often see those games though.

BDCat
01-16-07, 04:55 PM
And the stupid thing is that the guide never shows when they're broadcasting anything! It always says off air...even when they have something on air! ...
Pete, this may be true some of the time but the guide clearly shows the Panthers game tonight at 7.30!

BDCat
01-16-07, 04:58 PM
Those of you looking for something pretty to show off your hidef displays should check out the new offerings in the Comcast On Demand Gallery. ;)

Rudy, this is something I have been looking forward to (since reading about it quite awhile ago), but I can't find it! Can you provide some navigation information?

Thanks!

BDCat
01-16-07, 05:02 PM
Any idea on when Comcast here in South Florida will be adding the VS./Golf HD channel?
Petteri, I asked the same question a few post ago. See post 4643 above! :)

Petteri
01-16-07, 05:09 PM
Petteri, I asked the same question a few post ago. See post 4643 above! :)

Ah, I knew I had seen it! This thread is so long that I always forget what I've read here! Anyways I'm looking forward to that channel! I love hockey in HD! :)

hardballpete
01-16-07, 07:24 PM
BDCat, just when I open my big mouth and say it always says off air...That's when it's in the guide! Damn Damn!

But there has been plenty of times when it said off air on my guide and there was something on air!

I'm crazy plenty, but not insane...



at least yet!

BDCat
01-16-07, 07:36 PM
Pete,

I don't know if you're a sports person or not, but as far as I (personally) am concerned, this is a completely wasted channel! Use HDSE for god's sake and give us another real HD channel!

hardballpete
01-16-07, 08:47 PM
Oh but I am a big sports person! What a boring mundane world it would be without sports.

Love to watch the Heat in HD with D. Wade & Shaq-a-docious doing their thing.

And Marlins baseball in HD...Beeeeeeeeeeuuuuuuuutful!

pglenn
01-16-07, 09:17 PM
Not sure if this is an ongoing issue or not, but tonight I am unable to receive CBS-HD on 79-2 on either of my QAM receivers... is it just tonight, or has it been moved to a different channel?

Patrick

Rudy1
01-18-07, 01:22 AM
Rudy, this is something I have been looking forward to (since reading about it quite awhile ago), but I can't find it! Can you provide some navigation information?

Thanks!


Select On Demand, then HD On Demand, then TV Entertainment. The Gallery is one of four current options.

BDCat
01-18-07, 07:43 AM
Thanks Rudy, I'll try it later when I get home!

mmburke
01-18-07, 10:23 PM
WPLG - ABC channel 10-1 OAR has gone black for me today.

BDCat
01-19-07, 07:13 AM
Select On Demand, then HD On Demand, then TV Entertainment. The Gallery is one of four current options.

Found it! Not sure why I missed it originally! :confused:

You're right, great eye candy!

vikajakub
01-19-07, 02:24 PM
Select On Demand, then HD On Demand, then TV Entertainment. The Gallery is one of four current options.

I assume it is not on Clear, or is it?

Rudy1
01-20-07, 12:11 PM
I assume it is not on Clear, or is it?

At present, you can only access the On Demand menu through the use of a cable box.

jstrazz
01-21-07, 03:50 PM
Does anybody know what QAM channel Comcast in Fort Lauderdale has WPLG 10-1? I have been trying to find it on my new Tivo Series 3 and have had no luck. I will be getting cable cards for it soon, however, I want the info for my new Samsung HDTV that is coming this week.

Rudy1
01-21-07, 08:34 PM
Does anybody know what QAM channel Comcast in Fort Lauderdale has WPLG 10-1? I have been trying to find it on my new Tivo Series 3 and have had no luck. I will be getting cable cards for it soon, however, I want the info for my new Samsung HDTV that is coming this week.

The QAM channel numbers assigned to the different digital cable channels vary according to the manufacturer's choice of decoder chips. For example, on the LG LST3410A HDTV DVR, WPLG is located at 93-1. TNT-HD is found at 117-300 on some sets, and at 117-55 on others. It is not the same across the board. There is a good chance that your Tivo can't tune to WPLG-DT without a CableCard.

pglenn
01-22-07, 02:59 PM
didnt get any response before :-( but anyone know where CBS-HD is located on a QAM receiver now for Comcast (west broward/plantation)??? It was on 79-2 for my receiver but I no longer get it...

Yardy
01-22-07, 03:40 PM
didnt get any response before :-( but anyone know where CBS-HD is located on a QAM receiver now for Comcast (west broward/plantation)??? It was on 79-2 for my receiver but I no longer get it...


Like Rudy said above..It depends on who manufactured your qam tuner. Even in the same area (Plantation for example) diffrent qam tuners may pick up a particular channel on diffrent frequencies.

My cousin lives in Plantation (Broward & Nob Hill). She has a Magnavox LCD. When I was there 2 weeks ago she was getting CBSHD on 79-9.

pglenn
01-22-07, 04:03 PM
Like Rudy said above..It depends on who manufactured your qam tuner. Even in the same area (Plantation for example) diffrent qam tuners may pick up a particular channel on diffrent frequencies.

My cousin lives in Plantation (Broward & Nob Hill). She has a Magnavox LCD. When I was there 2 weeks ago she was getting CBSHD on 79-9.


well this isnt a question of my QAM receiver picking it up on a different channel than someone else. It was on 79-2 for me upto maybe 3weeks ago and has been gone since, meaning that it has been moved. but I will try 79-9 when I get home

Rudy1
01-22-07, 06:37 PM
well this isnt a question of my QAM receiver picking it up on a different channel than someone else. It was on 79-2 for me upto maybe 3weeks ago and has been gone since, meaning that it has been moved. but I will try 79-9 when I get home

All of my QAM tuners have always found CBS-HD at 89-2. Check there for it.

I just got off the phone with the headend manager at Comcast; we had a very long conversation regarding the situation with some TV's onboard QAM tuners not picking up NBC-HD, FOX-HD, PBS-HD, & ABC-HD. He's puzzled (the Sony he's using as a testbed does not exhibit this problem), but has placed calls to the engineering department in Colorado asking for assistance (he hasn't heard anything back yet). In the interim, he's going to try to find another TV that he can use at the plant to try and troubleshoot the problem. I will keep you all abreast of any new developments.

pglenn
01-23-07, 01:30 AM
All of my QAM tuners have always found CBS-HD at 89-2. Check there for it.

I just got off the phone with the headend manager at Comcast; we had a very long conversation regarding the situation with some TV's onboard QAM tuners not picking up NBC-HD, FOX-HD, PBS-HD, & ABC-HD. He's puzzled (the Sony he's using as a testbed does not exhibit this problem), but has placed calls to the engineering department in Colorado asking for assistance (he hasn't heard anything back yet). In the interim, he's going to try to find another TV that he can use at the plant to try and troubleshoot the problem. I will keep you all abreast of any new developments.


CBS-HD is now located on 79-1 on my PC-based QAM tuner...

as for the PBS/CBS/NBC/FOX/ABC problem - I have documented a few times here what is likely the problem, and have posted links to captures of the stream data for 92-subchannels and 93-subchannels to show this... which you yourself said you had already relayed to your "Comcast contact"... once again for review, the problem is very likely the incorrect information streams that ComCast is using for the 92-x and 93-x subchannel streams, which includes the Terrestrial Data records... In fact the 92-x stream includes redirects to (either 5-1 or 7-1, I forget at this time) which many tuners, including my Toshiba 37HL95, follow... IF comcast were to remove the terrestrial data records from these two streams I would bet a small fortune that it would begin to work on all tuners... There is NO NEED to have terrestrial data records in a cable stream, and as ComCast writes their own streams for each subchannel range it "shouldnt" be a problem to remove these. in fact there would be no adverse effect if they did...

odd that I as an uninformed consumer have spotted this and the head-end manager has not... especially when rudy1 has stated previously that he made the headend manager aware of my claims... I have reviewed several subchannel streams and ONLY the 92-x and 93-x contained the terrestrial data records.

I was thinking about my CBS-HD problem on my long drive home from work tonight and had a minor revelation - perhaps this information is included on purpose by ComCast in the 92-x and 93-x ranges in an attempt to prevent as many customers as possible from receiving the HD signals w/o using ComCast boxes and cablecards... they would be legal because they arent encrypting the local channels and they likely know that many QAM receivers are very strict in their interpretation of the subchannel streams (they know that the firmware in many tuners is incapable of ignoring the terrestrial data records). and the other channels dont include this information caz supposedly all other channels will eventually be encrypted anyways... just a conspiracy theory but very slick of ComCast if true...

Yardy
01-23-07, 09:05 AM
pglenn..
Your theory makes a lot of sense to me. As I see it comcast has nothing to gain from fixing this problem. Maybe they are hoping that most people will do like me and get a box or cablecard, just to get all the locals in HD. After all, most condos in south Florida don't allow outside antennas. They probably also figure if customer has a box, then customer more likely to order premium channels & pay per view. Mo' money.

pglenn
01-23-07, 09:33 AM
pglenn..
Your theory makes a lot of sense to me. As I see it comcast has nothing to gain from fixing this problem. Maybe they are hoping that most people will do like me and get a box or cablecard, just to get all the locals in HD. After all, most condos in south Florida don't allow outside antennas. They probably also figure if customer has a box, then customer more likely to order premium channels & pay per view. Mo' money.


true - whether "conspiracy" or not, and I have included this as a postscript in my previous postings here, ComCast has no reason and in fact shouldnt be expected to put any effort into fixing this problem as their own equiptment works perfect with their signal, and they are not in the business of supporting other companies equiptment.... quite the opposite in fact...

Petteri
01-23-07, 10:28 PM
I'm now getting ads at the bottom of the guide on my HD-DVR, Comcast in Plantation.

stonecrd
01-24-07, 07:50 AM
Well with BB having 36mos no interest I finally got the go ahead from my SO to upgrade my 2003 43" Samy HLN. Went out on Sat and looked at many types and brands but found that for the price the Samy DLP still won out my eyes.

Picked up a 61" 1080p set and got it delivered on Monday. Wow what a difference going from 43" to 61" it is almost like the first time I saw HD. My son has a PS3 and I have been watching some 1080p content and its just awesome. I just wish I could also afford a HD DVD player or that the format was decided already. Can't wait for Super Sunday - Go Bears

BDCat
01-24-07, 07:51 AM
I'm now getting ads at the bottom of the guide on my HD-DVR, Comcast in Plantation.
Me too! And that really sucks!

Rudy, please express our displeasure over this turn of events! I'm no marketing expert but I have to believe this move will hurt more than help. People pay good money for the privilege of looking at ads in the program guide?

Later on in the year when D* (as well as E*) get their HD acts together, they will, in all likelihood, be offering more HD than Comcast and users will move!

Sorry, this was a little more of a rant than intended but this is a BAD move! :mad:

Mike835
01-24-07, 07:57 AM
I just got an olevia 232v this week at a great price of 499.00 with the tv being on special and 100.00$ off coupon.

I bought a 40.00$ phillips indoor antenna with gainer up to 50.

I catch 4 , 6 , 39 in Hd = abc, nbc, the cw

I get bad picture on channel 10 and 7, why?

I also have regular direct tv and switch from satalite to the antenna to catch the few hd channels.

im at 33013, East 4th ave.

Petteri
01-24-07, 09:18 AM
Me too! And that really sucks!

Rudy, please express our displeasure over this turn of events! I'm no marketing expert but I have to believe this move will hurt more than help. People pay good money for the privilege of looking at ads in the program guide?

Later on in the year when D* (as well as E*) get their HD acts together, they will, in all likelihood, be offering more HD than Comcast and users will move!

Sorry, this was a little more of a rant than intended but this is a BAD move! :mad:


Yes, I'm pretty unhappy with this "update" to the guide. I didn't have time to comment before, but I really don't think that we should be forced to give up guide data space for ads on a service that we are already paying a premium for.

Is this a local Comcast move, or is this a national decision? Also, it would have been nice to see the NHL All Star festivities last night in HD, but we still don't have the VS./Golf channel in the line up....

Don't want to sound too negative, I think Comcast beats out my old cable co. Atlantic Broadband in both channel line up and picture quality.

BTW: We have a lot of Plantation members here! Perhaps a get together could be arranged?

Yardy
01-24-07, 10:21 AM
I made some observations last night while watching the President's speech

1)CBS has the best HD broadcast.

All channels were carrying the same feed but the picture on CBS was significantly better in my eyes. NBC was second and ABC third. Foxhd looked the worse by far. This is via comcast with a Toshiba 51" RP CRT 1080i set and a 42" Sony RP LCD 720p set.

I wanted to test if this was a comcast issue so I hooked up an indoor antenna to both of my tv's and the results were the same. Only difference was that the picture on fox was not so bad over the air.

I thought the 720p stations (ABC & FOX) would look better on my 720p set but that was not the case. On the other hand the 1080i stations (CBS & NBC) did look better on both sets via cable or over the air. Anyone else observed this?

2) My Toshiba has an overscan issue

On the CBS broadcast a part of the eye logo at the bottom right is cut off while on the Sony I could see the full logo with even more space to the right of it. Wonder how much picture I'l loosing to overscan.

Ok..so I was bored. :)

ameg68
01-24-07, 06:24 PM
Yes, I'm pretty unhappy with this "update" to the guide. I didn't have time to comment before, but I really don't think that we should be forced to give up guide data space for ads on a service that we are already paying a premium for.

Is this a local Comcast move, or is this a national decision? Also, it would have been nice to see the NHL All Star festivities last night in HD, but we still don't have the VS./Golf channel in the line up....

Don't want to sound too negative, I think Comcast beats out my old cable co. Atlantic Broadband in both channel line up and picture quality.

BTW: We have a lot of Plantation members here! Perhaps a get together could be arranged?


I have to agree with you, I don't like the updated guide. It makes surfing the program guide a pain in the ....

Also, I have a hd cable box and was able to watch the NHL All-Star festivities in hi-def on the INDH channel, 206, last night. Tonight the All-Star game will be on the same channel at 8pm.

Petteri
01-24-07, 06:58 PM
I have to agree with you, I don't like the updated guide. It makes surfing the program guide a pain in the ....

Also, I have a hd cable box and was able to watch the NHL All-Star festivities in hi-def on the INDH channel, 206, last night. Tonight the All-Star game will be on the same channel at 11pm.

Yes, the NHL action was tape delayed. I'm not at my TV now, but tonights game starts at 8:00 PM.

BarretoA
01-25-07, 09:11 PM
Mike835, are you in a house or an apartment? If you're in a house, you may want to hook up an outdoor antenna. My set up in west Hialeah (near the water plant) has the antenna pointing ever so slightly west of due north. I receive every digital station in town plus FOX-29, NBC-5 and WXEL-PBS-42 from Palm Beach.

BDCat
01-26-07, 08:14 AM
Comcast users:

What model DVRs are currently available in this area? I have a 6412 which is starting to act up (after a very long time of working without issue) and will probably have to be replaced. A CSR said the 6412 was only model available but I thought I remember reading (here?) the 3416 was also in circulation in S Florida.

Thank you.

yanksno1
01-26-07, 01:28 PM
Cat, how is it acting up for you? Mine messed up a couple recordings for me (one was 24 in HD which I wasn't real happy about) when I was skipping ahead and rewinding during the recording. It paused and lost the recordings both times. I think the response has gotten a little slower too (at various times), not sure if it's the receiver or my Harmony 880 remote. I think it's the receiver.

deharry
01-26-07, 04:46 PM
true - whether "conspiracy" or not, and I have included this as a postscript in my previous postings here, ComCast has no reason and in fact shouldnt be expected to put any effort into fixing this problem as their own equiptment works perfect with their signal, and they are not in the business of supporting other companies equiptment.... quite the opposite in fact...

This is what I have been saying here for a year, it is deliberate from Comcast. Rudi made his "contact" at Comcast aware of this problem a year ago. He promised that he would do something after the shift of analog to digital on the Comcast lineup, which is complete now.

Now Rudi mentioned it again, and he seems to say EH? No comprende, what you say! What is the problem in him getting a cheap Toshiba or Panasonic glass tube TV, they now have QAM included, and hook it up to Comcast, anywhere in his house or shop, or any friends house. Do a scan and he will see if he can pick up 92-XX and 93-XX. FOX is now out of 93-1 and available to us in the clear, in my case on 87-2, why not the rest of the channels?

It is clear to me that he and Comcast have no intention to resolve this for us.

Petteri
01-26-07, 07:17 PM
anyone with the Center Ice package having problems tonight? Called Comcast reset the box, but nothing yet...

pglenn
01-26-07, 07:49 PM
This is what I have been saying here for a year, it is deliberate from Comcast. Rudi made his "contact" at Comcast aware of this problem a year ago. He promised that he would do something after the shift of analog to digital on the Comcast lineup, which is complete now.

Now Rudi mentioned it again, and he seems to say EH? No comprende, what you say! What is the problem in him getting a cheap Toshiba or Panasonic glass tube TV, they now have QAM included, and hook it up to Comcast, anywhere in his house or shop, or any friends house. Do a scan and he will see if he can pick up 92-XX and 93-XX. FOX is now out of 93-1 and available to us in the clear, in my case on 87-2, why not the rest of the channels?

It is clear to me that he and Comcast have no intention to resolve this for us.

heh, you know that the problem is NOT the 92-x and 93-x ranges themselves per-say but the PSID info in those ranges - why else would all other sub-channel ranges work, and why are those the only ones I have seen to contain the terrestrial data records. I dont know that it is any easier for them to move channels around than it is to simply re-write and fix the subchannel info... anyways... (I still partly believe conspiracy)

you also listed the comcast "contact" - well i have my doubts there as well, as I have read here at least twice where Rudy1 states he has mentioned my findings to the "headend manager", and several more where he says he has had "hours long" conversing with the "headend manager" about the general 92-x and 93-x problem... well nothing has come from any of those talks. It comes now down to (1) the comcast contact doesnt care, or (2) the comcast contact has no authority over this (which would NOT be the headend manager then), or (3) either this really isnt being mentioned or there isnt any comcast contact...

regardless, I end with my normal PS on this - dont expect comcast to really care since their own equiptment works...


FYI - here is the link to I think my original post on this subject... funny, about 4 posts above that, Rudy1 says the "headend manager" is a stickler for detail and high quality, yet if that were true why wouldnt he research and act upon incorrect stream data?
- http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=43823&page=134&pp=30

deharry
01-27-07, 10:41 AM
heh, you know that the problem is NOT the 92-x and 93-x ranges themselves per-say but the PSID info in those ranges - why else would all other sub-channel ranges work, and why are those the only ones I have seen to contain the terrestrial data records. I dont know that it is any easier for them to move channels around than it is to simply re-write and fix the subchannel info... anyways... (I still partly believe conspiracy)

you also listed the comcast "contact" - well i have my doubts there as well, as I have read here at least twice where Rudy1 states he has mentioned my findings to the "headend manager", and several more where he says he has had "hours long" conversing with the "headend manager" about the general 92-x and 93-x problem... well nothing has come from any of those talks. It comes now down to (1) the comcast contact doesnt care, or (2) the comcast contact has no authority over this (which would NOT be the headend manager then), or (3) either this really isnt being mentioned or there isnt any comcast contact...

regardless, I end with my normal PS on this - dont expect comcast to really care since their own equiptment works...


FYI - here is the link to I think my original post on this subject... funny, about 4 posts above that, Rudy1 says the "headend manager" is a stickler for detail and high quality, yet if that were true why wouldnt he research and act upon incorrect stream data?
- http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=43823&page=134&pp=30



I agree with you 100%. The old proverb "where there is a will there is a way" applies to Comcast in this situation.

I did another scan, and found some channels that my Toshiba skips over, in addition to 92 and 93. They are 73, 91, 95, 96, 97, 105, 107 and 108

92, 93, and 105 with a manual selection from my remote, indicate a signal is being received.
73, 91, 95, 96, 97, 107 and 108 indicate no signal is being received. I cannot swear that Comcast does not use these frequencies on QAM, I can only go with my tuner. I am not technically minded, so I cannot offer a opinion on what is going on here.

Rudy1
01-28-07, 01:28 PM
Even though I myself have experienced problems with tuning WPBT, WSVN, WTVJ, & WPLG using the ClearQAM tuners in my Toshiba, Samsung, & Vizio displays, I've always had access to these channels via the onboard ATSC tuners. And I've always had 2 Motorola DVRs as well, so this was nothing more than a slight inconvenience for me. In fact, every time I brought the matter to the attention of the headend manager it was because of the postings on here by other members of the Forum. However, I've noticed that both of you have repeatedly made it a point to question the truthfulness of my posts regarding the matter and I must say that I'm NOT particularly amused. I could state here exactly how I feel, but that is not my style.

As of this writing, ALL of my displays have been upgraded to models which do not have any difficulty whatsoever finding and decoding the QAM channels broadcast in the clear on Comcast. Therefore, the next time the headend manager brings up the subject (yes, believe it or not, HE was the one who called me the other day to discuss the matter further), I'll suggest that he just forget about it and concentrate on what Comcast is actually paying him to do. During our last conversation he mentioned that he was trying to borrow a display (based on the list of models I'd given him) that exhibited the problem because the problem could not be replicated with the Sony and Samsung TVs he'd tested so far. But since according to you he either doesn't care or doesn't exist, I'll advise him that he needn't bother.

BDCat
01-28-07, 02:05 PM
Cat, how is it acting up for you? Mine messed up a couple recordings for me (one was 24 in HD which I wasn't real happy about) when I was skipping ahead and rewinding during the recording. It paused and lost the recordings both times. I think the response has gotten a little slower too (at various times), not sure if it's the receiver or my Harmony 880 remote. I think it's the receiver.
Sorry for the delay in responding. First, and it was not a real problem, the red record light would come on when the box was turned off. It went off when the box went on!

But just recently it has been saying it is 90% plus full when it isn’t. I can record an hour length program and it deletes the oldest recording to make room even though there is plenty of room! On top of that when I play the program back it says it is 60 minutes long but quits at 26 minutes and won’t let me beyond that point.

Up to this point it has worked very well!

No one has responded to my original question – what DVRs are available beside the 6412? Let me ask another way, who has a DVR from Comcast that is NOT a 6412? And if so, what model is it?

CSR says only 6412s but store says 3416 available. You go figure!

pglenn
01-28-07, 05:19 PM
Even though I myself have experienced problems with tuning WPBT, WSVN, WTVJ, & WPLG using the ClearQAM tuners in my Toshiba, Samsung, & Vizio displays, I've always had access to these channels via the onboard ATSC tuners. And I've always had 2 Motorola DVRs as well, so this was nothing more than a slight inconvenience for me. In fact, every time I brought the matter to the attention of the headend manager it was because of the postings on here by other members of the Forum. However, I've noticed that both of you have repeatedly made it a point to question the truthfulness of my posts regarding the matter and I must say that I'm NOT particularly amused. I could state here exactly how I feel, but that is not my style.

As of this writing, ALL of my displays have been upgraded to models which do not have any difficulty whatsoever finding and decoding the QAM channels broadcast in the clear on Comcast. Therefore, the next time the headend manager brings up the subject (yes, believe it or not, HE was the one who called me the other day to discuss the matter further), I'll suggest that he just forget about it and concentrate on what Comcast is actually paying him to do. During our last conversation he mentioned that he was trying to borrow a display (based on the list of models I'd given him) that exhibited the problem because the problem could not be replicated with the Sony and Samsung TVs he'd tested so far. But since according to you he either doesn't care or doesn't exist, I'll advise him that he needn't bother.

thats kind of a "I'm taking my ball and going home" response :-(

it isnt necessary to get additional equiptment to verify the issue or even correct the issue... for instance it is known that on certain receivers the 92-x range redirects every subchannel to 5-1 or 8-1 (I forget exactly which) and a look at the 92-x stream data indeed shows a record for the redirect... the reason alot of receivers do work is that they ignore this completely legitimate (though unneeded and unwanted) record in the stream data.

Speaking for myself, the tone of the posts was and is intentional... to show the only conclusions to the 92-x / 93-x problems persisting is (1) comcast doesnt care or (2) comcast doesnt know.... if they ARE aware of the problem and HAVE been made aware that the stream data is incorrect -and how could they not know this anyways- then one concludes they dont care... for the OTHER conclusion, well um.....

and I continue to conclude my posts on this matter with "comcast shouldnt be, and isnt, expected to change anything since their own equiptment works"

deharry
01-28-07, 05:23 PM
Even though I myself have experienced problems with tuning WPBT, WSVN, WTVJ, & WPLG using the ClearQAM tuners in my Toshiba, Samsung, & Vizio displays, I've always had access to these channels via the onboard ATSC tuners. And I've always had 2 Motorola DVRs as well, so this was nothing more than a slight inconvenience for me. In fact, every time I brought the matter to the attention of the headend manager it was because of the postings on here by other members of the Forum. However, I've noticed that both of you have repeatedly made it a point to question the truthfulness of my posts regarding the matter and I must say that I'm NOT particularly amused. I could state here exactly how I feel, but that is not my style.

As of this writing, ALL of my displays have been upgraded to models which do not have any difficulty whatsoever finding and decoding the QAM channels broadcast in the clear on Comcast. Therefore, the next time the headend manager brings up the subject (yes, believe it or not, HE was the one who called me the other day to discuss the matter further), I'll suggest that he just forget about it and concentrate on what Comcast is actually paying him to do. During our last conversation he mentioned that he was trying to borrow a display (based on the list of models I'd given him) that exhibited the problem because the problem could not be replicated with the Sony and Samsung TVs he'd tested so far. But since according to you he either doesn't care or doesn't exist, I'll advise him that he needn't bother.

Rudi, I have never questioned the truthfulness of your posts, and I am sorry if you have that impression. I only have wondered why the "headend" manager has taken so long in investigating or actually believing of the existence of the subject problem. If he can, as you say locate an inexpensive LCD to replicate the problem so that he can resolve it, I say great. I was not aware that he actually was starting to take some action. By all means, please encourage him to go ahead.

I too have worked around it by using a OTA antenna connected to the second antenna input of my Toshiba. This allows me the reception of all the Miami digital stations and FOX and CBS from WPB. I am curious to see if and how it is resolved, One year ago, I first became aware of this problem on a Panasonic 50" plasma. I went through lots of calls to Panny tech support, who then concluded that the tuner was faulty and had me sent the set to 2 separate repair dealers. The second dealer in Pompano Beach was able to replicate with his Comcast service, replaced the tuner to no avail, Panasonic kept the set and refunded my purchase price, after 6 weeks of frustation. I then bought a Toshiba plasma, and you guessed it, same problem,

As I stated above, that is why I am still emotionally involved with this issue, especially now that most SD sets sold, also have QAM tuners. It would be nice to receive all channels right out of the box when hooked to Comcast.

vikajakub
01-28-07, 08:17 PM
Comcast revealed this week that it's testing a new technology that may let cable operators offer a much larger number of high-def networks. (Most cable operators now offer less than 20 HDTV channels due largely to bandwidth restraints.)

Called 'Switched Digital Video,' Comcast says it will likely deploy the new technology in the second half of 2007 -- when DIRECTV is expected to expand its high-def lineup.

http://www.tvpredictions.com/comcastkiller012507.htm

Rudy, what do you say about that development?

97Strat
01-29-07, 07:03 AM
Comcast revealed this week that it's testing a new technology that may let cable operators offer a much larger number of high-def networks. (Most cable operators now offer less than 20 HDTV channels due largely to bandwidth restraints.)

Called 'Switched Digital Video,' Comcast says it will likely deploy the new technology in the second half of 2007 -- when DIRECTV is expected to expand its high-def lineup.

http://www.tvpredictions.com/comcastkiller012507.htm

Rudy, what do you say about that development?
Here's another link that explains a bit more about SDV:

http://www.cable360.net/ct/deployment/casestudies/15098.html

It's interesting to note that this stuff was being discussed over 6 months ago.

Joe

Yardy
01-29-07, 10:17 AM
Rudy...I believe some people here are just frustrated that comcast is having us jump thru hoops when there might be a simple fix. Every time I mention the issue to one of their "technicians" or customer service reps , they have no clue what I'm talking about. Most don't even know what a qam tuner is.

Next time you talk to headend manager, ask him if he would like to evaluate the issue first hand. I have 2 tv's that have the issue and I would be happy for him to come over and do whatever tests he needs to do.

Please continue to keep us up to date on whats going on at comcast.

jstrazz
01-30-07, 07:30 PM
I'm having a whole new problem with the QAM tuner on my brand new Samsung TV. All the digital channels are breaking up on it both with and without the cable card inserted. I have a Tivo Series 3 DVR with two cable cards in it an that is working just fine. Could this be a problem with the QAM tuner? When I test the signal strength on the TV tuner, I only get one bar (out of 10 bars that can be displayed). I've had this problem for two days now. Has anyone ever experienced this problem before?

rob762
01-30-07, 08:37 PM
Good news and bad news regarding picking out the clear HD channels. I get CBS HD (superbowl) on 89.2 with no issues, but I cannot find ABC or NBC (HD). Any of you out there able to find them?
I have a Vizio 47" LCD on Comcast Davie.

dealdoug
01-30-07, 09:57 PM
Good news and bad news regarding picking out the clear HD channels. I get CBS HD (superbowl) on 89.2 with no issues, but I cannot find ABC or NBC (HD). Any of you out there able to find them?
I have a Vizio 47" LCD on Comcast Davie.

It depends on your tuner. I believe if you read back through this thread you will find vizio is on the list of tuners having difficulty with the comcast system I have a sceptre set and I receive all local hd channels. I had an olevia set which only received the cbs channel like you. I returned it. Read the thread for more info.

isyp
01-31-07, 02:48 PM
Any idea on when Comcast here in South Florida will be adding the VS./Golf HD channel?

I really like the FSN HD channel, I have full season tickets to the Panthers so I don't often see those games though.

I noticed VSGLF on the guide at channel 207 on Comcast in Plantation today. So far all of the golf footage has been SD though.

Stretchman
02-01-07, 05:59 PM
I have a Sony RPTV, and a Hughes HTL-HD from 2003, and was hearing something about DTV doing some kind of update here. I have to use the Highes to decode my OTA broadcast tv, and had to buy the unit at about 400 dollars, back in the day. What exactly is DTV doing, and will I have to upgrade my equipment in order for it to work?

I also have a regular crt in the bedroom, and have an old DTV staellite decoder box with the old style NFL card. IS there any way I can get that hooked up to the triple LNB dish and not affect my HDTV satellite stuff? My reception for the CRT box is bad in the bedroom, and I'd like to have a working television in there if I could without having a huge expenditure.

TIA
Stretch

Mike4HDTV
02-01-07, 07:22 PM
For anybody in Weston with Advanced Cable, check out channel 604. It should be CBS HD. Just in time for the SuperBowl.

hardballpete
02-01-07, 07:44 PM
Rudy, where are the new HD channels? National Geo? UHD?

stonecrd
02-02-07, 08:23 AM
For anybody in Weston with Advanced Cable, check out channel 604. It should be CBS HD. Just in time for the SuperBowl.

Wow, that would be great. Now I can stick my rabbit ears in the closet for Hurricane backup and use my PVR for CBS. UHD is available at 657, NGHD is listed at 658 but does not appear to be available yet. Of course you need the HD Pack for those channels, CBS should be clear QAM.

isyp
02-02-07, 09:18 AM
I have a Sony RPTV, and a Hughes HTL-HD from 2003, and was hearing something about DTV doing some kind of update here. I have to use the Highes to decode my OTA broadcast tv, and had to buy the unit at about 400 dollars, back in the day. What exactly is DTV doing, and will I have to upgrade my equipment in order for it to work?

I also have a regular crt in the bedroom, and have an old DTV staellite decoder box with the old style NFL card. IS there any way I can get that hooked up to the triple LNB dish and not affect my HDTV satellite stuff? My reception for the CRT box is bad in the bedroom, and I'd like to have a working television in there if I could without having a huge expenditure.

TIA
Stretch

DTV has rolled out MPEG-4 video coding here. The upside is expanded HD content starting with HD locals via satellite, the downside is new equipment will be required to take advantage of the new technology. I'm not sure if they'll do any swap out with existing equipment. I'm on Comcast right now so I haven't made the call on my now legacy HD DTV equipment. It's worth noting that the new 5 LNB dish is significantly larger than the 3 LNB as well.

Can't say for sure on you reception issue. The 3 LNB has a 4 way multiplexer so you can have up to 4 connections from the dish. If you don't have that many you should be able to run a cable to the dish and connect a set top box that way. If you currently have 4 connections then a cascading multiplexer is required. The hardware isn't expensive but depending on you situation may need to be installed by a pro.

ssabripo
02-02-07, 03:20 PM
I noticed VSGLF on the guide at channel 207 on Comcast in Plantation today. So far all of the golf footage has been SD though.
I saw HD content on it last nite....

however, I wish the real HD channels would be added asap....national geographic HD, UHD, etc..... I'm even paying for HBO and Showtime HD, and still very little content to watch :(

stonecrd
02-04-07, 10:08 AM
So after about 2 years of complaining to Advanced Cable they finally get CBS-HD. Now mind you they almost never answered my e-mails but the day it gets added they call my home, they send a message on the cable box and they start a advertising blitz. I guess they really want people to fork over the $ for a HD converter box and HD pack before the Super Bowl.

No mention anywhere that if you have a QAM tuner you can get all of the locals without paying for the box and service, but I don't really expect them to advertise that. It is inertesting that they stuck CBS at 118.629. .629?, that's kind of a strange subchannel unless they are trying to hide it, maybe :>)

yanksno1
02-04-07, 01:31 PM
I saw HD content on it last nite....

however, I wish the real HD channels would be added asap....national geographic HD, UHD, etc.....
Completely agree. At least you found it. So far, I haven't seen any HD content on the channel. What happened to not wanting to add UHD b/c of it not having much new HD content? Come on, this new VSGLF channel hardly has any HD content period.

isyp
02-04-07, 03:44 PM
What happened to not wanting to add UHD b/c of it not having much new HD content? Come on, this new VSGLF channel hardly has any HD content period.

HD Net would make too much sense for Comcast to add given the whole 24 hours a day of HD programming and all.

chasw98
02-04-07, 08:29 PM
Anyone noticed lousy audio and fogged up cameras during Superbowl? So much for implementing technology :mad:

Chuck

Eddy13
02-05-07, 12:27 AM
I agree audio was all over the place for the superbowl.. When some commercials were on I had to adjust the volume up at times cause I could harldy hear them.. Also prince and the half time show the audio was real low I had to raise the volume.. Also pq was not the greatest either... Anyone else experience this

97Strat
02-05-07, 07:10 AM
Anyone noticed lousy audio and fogged up cameras during Superbowl? So much for implementing technology :mad:

Chuck
You'd think in 2007 they'd be able to come up with a way to keep the lenses clean, at least for the superbowl. IMO the foggy/spotty lenses were just plain unacceptable. It's not like they didn't know it would rain...

Joe

dealdoug
02-05-07, 07:39 AM
I was wondering which lcd sets QAM tuners have been confirmed to be fully compatible with Comcast in Broward.

I have a 32" Sceptre that receives all the local HD's etc, but really would like to move up to a 37" set. Any suggestions?

chasw98
02-05-07, 07:51 AM
You'd think in 2007 they'd be able to come up with a way to keep the lenses clean, at least for the superbowl. IMO the foggy/spotty lenses were just plain unacceptable. It's not like they didn't know it would rain...

Joe

I used to install cameras in Colorado and also worked with major networks for TV broadcasts of Ski races. Heaters have been available for a long time for both fixed and remote cameras.

Chuck

yanksno1
02-05-07, 08:29 AM
Only thing I really noticed during the superbowl was CBS' graphics. They seemed to use a ton of bass with them. Didn't really notice anything else, then again I wasn't paying major attention to the sound.

ssabripo
02-05-07, 01:27 PM
Only thing I really noticed during the superbowl was CBS' graphics. They seemed to use a ton of bass with them. Didn't really notice anything else, then again I wasn't paying major attention to the sound.
I didn't mind that one bit! I love good bass ;)

ssabripo
02-06-07, 02:06 PM
Rudy....i've called Comcast couple of times over the past 2 days to get updates, and none of the "customer service" reps knows a darn thing...it's like they hired them straight out of highschool!!! :mad:

anyways, do you have any guestimates on when the new HD channels will be added? Any ideas? what channels are now on the table? (because they added 208 which is VSGLF but rarely has any HD content on it :rolleyes: )

I'm seriously thinking of switching to DirecTV even though I hate DBS service! I just dont understand why comcast is dragging feet on this....

vikajakub
02-06-07, 04:30 PM
If your Aquos LCD has only one cable/antenna input, how to watch Over the air broadcast ? Should one plug in Antenna and unplug cable and do opposite to watch cable again? So cumbersome...Splitter maybe?

stonecrd
02-07-07, 07:36 AM
Advanced Cable has National Geographic HD running now on 658. They have also started getting the Motorola 6416 III boxes. These boxes have HDMI out, handle SD analog a lot better and have a 160GB harddrive. Much better than the older 6412 I & II, I swapped boxes yesterday.

Rudy1
02-07-07, 04:51 PM
Rudy....i've called Comcast couple of times over the past 2 days to get updates, and none of the "customer service" reps knows a darn thing...it's like they hired them straight out of highschool!!! :mad:

anyways, do you have any guestimates on when the new HD channels will be added? Any ideas? what channels are now on the table? (because they added 208 which is VSGLF but rarely has any HD content on it :rolleyes: )

I'm seriously thinking of switching to DirecTV even though I hate DBS service! I just dont understand why comcast is dragging feet on this....

Actually, channel 208 was carrying NFL-HD right up until just after the Super Bowl....VS/GLF-HD is on 207. The equipment for National Geographic HD is already onsite, but has not yet been installed; the channel should be up by the first week in March. Also slated for Q1 are HGTV-HD, UHD, and A&E HD. And the last season of a certain very popular show will be available in HD on Demand for customers of one of the movie channels.

By the way, if you must switch to DBS service, please go with Dish. The former Voom channels alone are worth it.

BDCat
02-08-07, 08:54 AM
Rudy, thank you for the update on Comcast’s short term HD plans. If I may summarize: NG by March 9, HGTV-HD, UHD and A&E-HD by March 31.

HGTV-HD is most intriguing (and very welcome)! I’ve not heard of this channel (or FoodTV-HD) being mentioned in the same breath as Comcast before (even in the HDTV Programming Forum). Does this mean that Comcast has a national agreement in place with Scripps? I can’t imagine it is just a local thing! (Or is it just wishful thinking on the part of a local Comcast person?)

ssabripo, I agree with Rudy, if you must go DBS, go Dish; at least, right now! Better still, if you can, hang in there until Q4. Based on everything I read, the whole HD picture could change quite dramatically by then.

Of course, so far as D* goes, unless they drop their HDlite and return to full PQ their promised increased offerings wont mean too much. BTW and FWIW, according to folks over on the HDTV Programming Forum, E* does about half its channels in HDlite. Comcast (I can’t speak to other cable companies), is the only supplier to pass on all the HD channels at full bandwidth, just as received.

ssabripo
02-08-07, 09:48 AM
you guys do realize that Dish is also HD-lite right??! I had Dish back in june for the worldcup, and that lasted, oh, 2 weeks...I promptly cancelled!!!! what a crappy signal, and what horrendous service! I will NEVER give my business to dish ever again.

I will probably just hang on for the time being....but man, this is tough swallowing over $100 a month with limited stuff. I heard D* should have their birds up soon and increase their HD capacity to close to 100 channels, but dunno what truth there is to it.

Rudy, any updates on the Hardware? my 6412 is dying on me and I need to take it back in for a replacement...you mentioned that there were gonna be some new HW available late Q4 of last year....:confused:

jazzman161
02-08-07, 10:55 AM
Hey guys. I've been browsing the stickies but I'm still lost so I figure I'll ask my question outright to be safe. I'm thinking of picking up an HDTV w. ntsc/atsc/qam tuners. What I would like to know is, what would I need to plug in (rabbit ears, antenna, nothing, anything) to get OTA HD channels (locals). I've seen the antenna website so I know what's in my area, but the major reason I'm confused is I don't have cable at the moment, I have satellite and I'd rather not pay any extra at the moment for HD if that's a possibility. Thanks for any insight!

btw - located in Davie, FL

kromix
02-08-07, 10:59 AM
Hey guys I have a question for you all here...

I live in Miami, FL 33155
I have Comcast cable (no set-top box) just the Coaxial to the TV and I have a Sharp Aquos 37" LC-37D90U, I have been trying to find all the Digital Channels I can get that are "in the clear" with mY QAM tuner and when I run the 'CH Search" It really doesnt find much just 49.1 49.2 (.1 = Black .2 = ESPNHD which is nice for free), and then it lists channels 81.1-xxx not even sure a bunch that are black.

I have however found some of the channels like PBS, ABC, NBC, ABC which is cool but only from putting in the direct numbers of channels other people report in this thread such at 118.212, my question is, is there a 'database of channels in the clear i can find somewhere for comcast/miami area?' how do people find these channels because my TV doesn't pick it up do people really sit there and go one by one 118.1 118.2 118.3 - 118.999 and start again on the next channel? How can I find what channels I can use? P.S I am really hoping to find CW-HD somewhere :)

Oh and one thing I did read while reading all the pages in this thread is that Comcast doesn't have a "HD Package" they charge you for the box $5 and the DVR $9.95 for the DVR right?

So if I have "Enhanced Cable (analog coaxial) not digital no set-top for $50/mo, if I call and add the $5 HDTV package what do i get from it? Some kind of box? or is that only addable to Digital Packages with a set-top? Cause i wouldn't mind paying $5 for some CW and Discovery in HD :P

BDCat
02-08-07, 11:39 AM
ssabripo, you can now get a 3416 (if you want one) by going to your local office. I almost did it when my 6412 appeared to be dying, but unplugging it for five minutes seemed to cure its ills – at least for now! (Actually, it’s been very good. Had it for a long time with very few problems). The Jacaranda office has the 3416s (or had them a week or so ago).

D*’s promised increased capacity only works if they stop the HDlite (or you have a small screen). As I said, Dish (E*) does about half its channels in HDlite (or so I read).

ssabripo
02-08-07, 01:31 PM
ssabripo, you can now get a 3416 (if you want one) by going to your local office. I almost did it when my 6412 appeared to be dying, but unplugging it for five minutes seemed to cure its ills – at least for now! (Actually, it’s been very good. Had it for a long time with very few problems). The Jacaranda office has the 3416s (or had them a week or so ago).

D*’s promised increased capacity only works if they stop the HDlite (or you have a small screen). As I said, Dish (E*) does about half its channels in HDlite (or so I read).
where is the location of the comcast office in Jacaranda? I can't find it on the website...the closest one is on 1919 Pine Island rd.

also, I dont think we are completely on the A/D simulcast are we? if not, wouldn't I be losing all analog channels between 0-99 (cnn, fox, etc, etc)?

kromix
02-08-07, 03:23 PM
One more question, I have the Basic cable in miami, for $2 more i get the Enhanced Cable with a set-top box which will give me the programming guide etc great sounds good i'm gonna go get it, but what happens to my free HDTV locals I am getting will i loose it? Because when i called they tried to sell me the "HDTV Package" and i asked whats in it because it was only $5 more and he named off the channels im getting free right now through my QAM in the clear mostly locals but also ESPN-HD and CW-HD, do i loose out on all my HDTV even local now that i will have a box???? So my "Upgrade" is a "downgrade" loosing the hd's unless I pay another $5 more?

hardballpete
02-08-07, 03:51 PM
This is hardballpete also out in beautiful susburban Davie. Whazzup my Davie brother?

You will need an antenna to pull in OTA HD stations-CBS, NBC, ABC. FOX, etc. Without Comcast cable, you can't get any QAM stations which travel over their cable system.

Getting the right antenna, and orienting it properly can be a nuisance. Good luck, son!

dealdoug
02-08-07, 04:34 PM
Hey guys I have a question for you all here...

I live in Miami, FL 33155
I have Comcast cable (no set-top box) just the Coaxial to the TV and I have a Sharp Aquos 37" LC-37D90U, I have been trying to find all the Digital Channels I can get that are "in the clear" with mY QAM tuner and when I run the 'CH Search" It really doesnt find much just 49.1 49.2 (.1 = Black .2 = ESPNHD which is nice for free), and then it lists channels 81.1-xxx not even sure a bunch that are black.

I have however found some of the channels like PBS, ABC, NBC, ABC which is cool but only from putting in the direct numbers of channels other people report in this thread such at 118.212, my question is, is there a 'database of channels in the clear i can find somewhere for comcast/miami area?' how do people find these channels because my TV doesn't pick it up do people really sit there and go one by one 118.1 118.2 118.3 - 118.999 and start again on the next channel? How can I find what channels I can use? P.S I am really hoping to find CW-HD somewhere :)

Oh and one thing I did read while reading all the pages in this thread is that Comcast doesn't have a "HD Package" they charge you for the box $5 and the DVR $9.95 for the DVR right?

So if I have "Enhanced Cable (analog coaxial) not digital no set-top for $50/mo, if I call and add the $5 HDTV package what do i get from it? Some kind of box? or is that only addable to Digital Packages with a set-top? Cause i wouldn't mind paying $5 for some CW and Discovery in HD :P

I believe you have to have the digital before you can get the hd. It is a set top box. It is interesting that your set allows you to input channels that the scan did not pick up. The others I have tried will not allow that.

Are the abc, nbc, etc channels you get at 118.2.... HD?

I do not think there is any database because each sub system of comcast seems to put things in different locations. I am in Cooper City and I have nbc hd at 93.3, abc hd at 93.1, fox 7 at 85.1 and cbs hd at 89.2.

I do have a box on my dlp set and it does not have a dvr, just digital and hd and it cost less than smae setup with the dvr.

kromix
02-08-07, 05:06 PM
I believe you have to have the digital before you can get the hd. It is a set top box. It is interesting that your set allows you to input channels that the scan did not pick up. The others I have tried will not allow that.

Are the abc, nbc, etc channels you get at 118.2.... HD?

I do not think there is any database because each sub system of comcast seems to put things in different locations. I am in Cooper City and I have nbc hd at 93.3, abc hd at 93.1, fox 7 at 85.1 and cbs hd at 89.2.

I do have a box on my dlp set and it does not have a dvr, just digital and hd and it cost less than smae setup with the dvr.

Yes they are in 720p and 1080i depending on who broadcast's what I want.. I want CW in HD does comcast even offer them? they offered WBZL (WB) but its now its WSFL (CW) and they havent updated that in there online listing, is CW now in HD in place of the old WBZL they still have listed??

jazzman161
02-08-07, 05:54 PM
This is hardballpete also out in beautiful susburban Davie. Whazzup my Davie brother?

You will need an antenna to pull in OTA HD stations-CBS, NBC, ABC. FOX, etc. Without Comcast cable, you can't get any QAM stations which travel over their cable system.

Getting the right antenna, and orienting it properly can be a nuisance. Good luck, son!

Thanks pete. What a pisser. Thought I'd be able to get away with no extra monthly payments. Guess I should see what DirecTV offers.

dealdoug
02-08-07, 07:16 PM
Yes they are in 720p and 1080i depending on who broadcast's what I want.. I want CW in HD does comcast even offer them? they offered WBZL (WB) but its now its WSFL (CW) and they havent updated that in there online listing, is CW now in HD in place of the old WBZL they still have listed??

Yes there is a hd cw on davie comcast.

yanksno1
02-08-07, 07:50 PM
Yes they are in 720p and 1080i depending on who broadcast's what I want.. I want CW in HD does comcast even offer them? they offered WBZL (WB) but its now its WSFL (CW) and they havent updated that in there online listing, is CW now in HD in place of the old WBZL they still have listed??
Yup, Comcast offers the CW in HD. Channel 214 (the old WB channel). Not sure about QAM, but I'd think so.

hardballpete
02-09-07, 08:11 AM
I switched from Directv to Comcast for superior HD. Directv's HD is not full 1920 x 1080i HD, which does not look as good as Comcast's. Most all channels look better, even non HD channels. If you switch from Directv to Comcast, you get a special deal for a year with all the movie channels for less than Directv's prices!

That's my experience. Is comcast perfect? No. I do have occasional glitches, but oh the HD quality is sublime!

kromix
02-09-07, 09:52 AM
Ok well I decided to ditch the QAM method as it doesnt suit my needs and upgraded and got a Set-top box, contected via DVI (DCT6200), the manual says DVI is preferred over component and my component slot is taken up by my Xbox 360.

I have a Sharp Aquos LC-37D90U 1080p set with the DVI being HDCP compliant and 1080p capable and while i can tell the difference between Standard channels and the HD Channels I am not "Wowed" by the HD, was I expecting too much? I expected it to look as good as my Xbox 360 games or the Discovery HD channel I see sometimes being played in bestbuy crystal clear.

I guess there is a very very very very light snow or disturbance in the picture i'm not sure how to describe, could it be my connections? or the dvi port?

My cables goes like this: comes from outside, into a 3 way 1000mhz splitter, and the strongest signal from that splitter goes into a 2 way spiltter. My set-top box and HDTV is being powered by one of the slots from the first 3-way splitter. Its 3 slots are (3.5db 3.5db 7db, or the other way around 3.5db 7db 7db, i know the strongest one feeds the 2 way splitter, and one of the other two feed my tv where the HDTV doesnt seem as sharp and vibrant as I expected)

Also I noticed even though the CW has a Standard and High-Def Channel, the High-Def channel will sometimes be in Standard def if the show is not "HD" right? Or is it supposed to be HD all the time? because last night Discovery HD, Jay Leno, TNT (Basketball game) all looked pretty good, while CW-HD CBS-HD didnt look so hot, i guess thats because they werent showing an "HD Show"?

Yardy
02-09-07, 10:02 AM
Yup, Comcast offers the CW in HD. Channel 214 (the old WB channel). Not sure about QAM, but I'd think so.


Yes..CW is in HD on Qam. Its in the 109 range on Comcast Ft Lauderdale. I get it on 109.1

Yardy
02-09-07, 10:18 AM
One more question, I have the Basic cable in miami, for $2 more i get the Enhanced Cable with a set-top box which will give me the programming guide etc great sounds good i'm gonna go get it, but what happens to my free HDTV locals I am getting will i loose it? Because when i called they tried to sell me the "HDTV Package" and i asked whats in it because it was only $5 more and he named off the channels im getting free right now through my QAM in the clear mostly locals but also ESPN-HD and CW-HD, do i loose out on all my HDTV even local now that i will have a box???? So my "Upgrade" is a "downgrade" loosing the hd's unless I pay another $5 more?


If you use a set top box you would be bypassing your qam tuner. So yes, you would loose the free HD channels unless you split the incoming signal. One to your qam tuner and the other to the box.

The $5 HD package would also include Discovery HD, ESPNHD, ESPN2HD, TNDHD, VS/GOLF plus a few more HD channels that's expected in coming months.

kromix
02-09-07, 10:21 AM
If you use a set top box you would be bypassing your qam tuner. So yes, you would loose the free HD channels unless you split the incoming signal. One to your qam tuner and the other to the box.

The $5 HD package would also include Discovery HD, ESPNHD, ESPN2HD, TNDHD, VS/GOLF plus a few more HD channels that's expected in coming months.

Ya, I decided to upgrade to see what would happen and I'm happy cause im also getting alot of movie channels such as HBO-HD etc so i can't complain about the charge i'm keeping it :), my problem is different now though lol...

Ok well I decided to ditch the QAM method as it doesnt suit my needs and upgraded and got a Set-top box, contected via DVI (DCT6200), the manual says DVI is preferred over component and my component slot is taken up by my Xbox 360.

I have a Sharp Aquos LC-37D90U 1080p set with the DVI being HDCP compliant and 1080p capable and while i can tell the difference between Standard channels and the HD Channels I am not "Wowed" by the HD, was I expecting too much? I expected it to look as good as my Xbox 360 games or the Discovery HD channel I see sometimes being played in bestbuy crystal clear.

I guess there is a very very very very light snow or disturbance in the picture i'm not sure how to describe, could it be my connections? or the dvi port?

My cables goes like this: comes from outside, into a 3 way 1000mhz splitter, and the strongest signal from that splitter goes into a 2 way spiltter. My set-top box and HDTV is being powered by one of the slots from the first 3-way splitter. Its 3 slots are (3.5db 3.5db 7db, or the other way around 3.5db 7db 7db, i know the strongest one feeds the 2 way splitter, and one of the other two feed my tv where the HDTV doesnt seem as sharp and vibrant as I expected)

Also I noticed even though the CW has a Standard and High-Def Channel, the High-Def channel will sometimes be in Standard def if the show is not "HD" right? Or is it supposed to be HD all the time? because last night Discovery HD, Jay Leno, TNT (Basketball game) all looked pretty good, while CW-HD CBS-HD didnt look so hot, i guess thats because they werent showing an "HD Show"?

hardballpete
02-09-07, 10:50 AM
Are you sure the cable box is set to output 1080i?

Shut the cable box off and quickly press the menu key and release. You should see a white screen come up that will tell you what the box is outputting. Press the select/OK button on the remote to change the output. It should cycle thru all the available outputs-480i-480p-720p-1080i. Shut the box off after selection of output, and back on.

Wallah...you're golden, son!

kromix
02-09-07, 11:58 AM
Are you sure the cable box is set to output 1080i?

Shut the cable box off and quickly press the menu key and release. You should see a white screen come up that will tell you what the box is outputting. Press the select/OK button on the remote to change the output. It should cycle thru all the available outputs-480i-480p-720p-1080i. Shut the box off after selection of output, and back on.

Wallah...you're golden, son!

Hey Man thanks for the help but Its already at 1080i, my TV is 1080p so I put it to 1080i, 720p looks good too they both look the same, but yea I did that Menu thing and its at 1080i, and the TV says its receiving 1080i as well, still the HD looks good *better than the sd* but not as good as i expected, as i once saw on DiscoveryHD @ bestbuy on a phillips 2 yrs ago....

BDCat
02-09-07, 11:59 AM
... Also I noticed even though the CW has a Standard and High-Def Channel, the High-Def channel will sometimes be in Standard def if the show is not "HD" right? Or is it supposed to be HD all the time? because last night Discovery HD, Jay Leno, TNT (Basketball game) all looked pretty good, while CW-HD CBS-HD didnt look so hot, i guess thats because they werent showing an "HD Show"?
That is correct. While an HD station is in 1080i or 720p 24/7 it is not necessarily showing HD programming 24/7. In fact very few do, INHD, Discovery and MHD come to mind as the few that do.

When a non-HD program is being broadcast on an HD channel it is upconverted to 1080i/720p and usually shown in its original 4x3 ratio with side bars. Some stations choose to stretch the SD picture to fill the 16x9 screen; channel 10 (local programming only) and TNT come to mind.

Even the side bars can vary. ESPN and NBC use patterns, CBS use gray for local programming and black for network programming while the rest usually use black.

Hope this helps!

kromix
02-09-07, 12:08 PM
Any suggestions on picture quality? While its ok, its not as good as I expected for HDTV, I have a 1080p tv and have the STB outputting 1080i.

Only thing I can think of is signal strength? I have a 3 way splitter, and the strongest signal from that feeding a 2 way splitter. My TV im talking about with the STB/HDTV is on the 1st 3way splitter so its only going through 1 splitter not two but it seems the picture can be better, the 1st 3-way splitter is a 1000mhz (1GHZ) splitter. What can I do to test the signal strength quality? Anything I can do or do I have to call a tech out i rather avoid the retarded techs that usually don't do anything. What do they use to test the strengths?

stonecrd
02-09-07, 12:13 PM
Any suggestions on picture quality? While its ok, its not as good as I expected for HDTV, I have a 1080p tv and have the STB outputting 1080i.

Only thing I can think of is signal strength? I have a 3 way splitter, and the strongest signal from that feeding a 2 way splitter. My TV im talking about with the STB/HDTV is on the 1st 3way splitter so its only going through 1 splitter not two but it seems the picture can be better, the 1st 3-way splitter is a 1000mhz (1GHZ) splitter. What can I do to test the signal strength quality? Anything I can do or do I have to call a tech out i rather avoid the retarded techs that usually don't do anything. What do they use to test the strengths?

I would simplify your connections and see if anything changes. Take your cable directly into the cable box and then the DVI directly to the TV. Keep all of the splitters out of the loop. Depending on your cable box you can get to a diagnostic screen that shows you signal and noise, do a search in the thread that corresponds to your type of box. i.e.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=464986

kromix
02-09-07, 12:23 PM
I would simplify your connections and see if anything changes. Take your cable directly into the cable box and then the DVI directly to the TV. Keep all of the splitters out of the loop. Depending on your cable box you can get to a diagnostic screen that shows you signal and noise, do a search in the thread that corresponds to your type of box. i.e.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=464986

I have a DCT6200, I can't find a thread for that specific box don't think there is one lol :P

stonecrd
02-09-07, 12:39 PM
I believe the 6200 series is pretty much the same as the 6400 without the recording ability try this and see if it works:

http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/How_to_use_a_Motorola_DVR/Configuration#How_To_Check_Your_Incoming_Signal_Strength

rviele
02-09-07, 08:47 PM
hey guys does anybody know about hdtv capability and or a thread from the keys

97Strat
02-10-07, 11:22 AM
Any suggestions on picture quality? While its ok, its not as good as I expected for HDTV, I have a 1080p tv and have the STB outputting 1080i.

Only thing I can think of is signal strength? I have a 3 way splitter, and the strongest signal from that feeding a 2 way splitter. My TV im talking about with the STB/HDTV is on the 1st 3way splitter so its only going through 1 splitter not two but it seems the picture can be better, the 1st 3-way splitter is a 1000mhz (1GHZ) splitter. What can I do to test the signal strength quality? Anything I can do or do I have to call a tech out i rather avoid the retarded techs that usually don't do anything. What do they use to test the strengths?
Assuming you can receive it, the best possible signal/pq will be OTA. If you really want to see if you're losing pq, hook up an OTA antenna and take a look at a true HD source, e.g., most anything on prime time. Then compare that to the same thing over the cable. If you see a difference, it'll most likely be caused by either the cable signal itself, something in your connections, or a combination of both.

Joe

redpony
02-11-07, 04:18 PM
I would like to hear others experiences for what I might expect with OTA HD reception in Coral Springs (Sawgrass & University area). I presently have an antenna in my attic which has served me well on analog for 20 years. Using this antenna, I pick up all of the WPB analog stations and most from Miami. After seeing news coverage occasionally from Miami, I am more interested in receiving WPB's HD channels.

Thank you in advance.

Red Pony in Coral Springs

TeflonFong
02-11-07, 08:15 PM
Last Night and Today I have had really bad reception with ABC (OTA Miami, FL 33186) during the heat and spurs game it was going in and out really bad...has anybody else noticed degraded signal quality in their area?