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Gireesh finally gets a lucky break.

WPBT-DT clear at 88 in West Kendall before 9 p.m. or so. Did they stop transmitting after 9 p.m.? Got absolutely no signal after that. I was watching some documentary on Japan and its culture. Brilliant HDCAM work, some of the best stuff I've seen yet in OTA. That's 4 digital channels (ok, 3 good HD channels and 1 well... 480i)

NBC is next. I hope CBS will transmit some NFL games in HD. Tonights primetime was clear and no lip-sync issues that I could detect. Also the title Family Law showed up in the off-air guide with a description of "HD Broadcast" on a DTC-100. My friend's Sony DTV Plus receiver did not show the title "Family Law" Did anybody else get the title listed in their off air guide?

Well, I'm finally going to post about my luck. HD100, LARGE antenna 20 feet off the chimney, but I’m not sure of the brand, rotor on the antenna yesterday. All fairly new equipment. I’m located between Atlantic Ave and Commercial Blvd on the intercoastal. According to one of the maps I’m 18 miles from the main WFOR antenna almost due north. 70’s on the signal meter with it locked in. VERY broken up signal watching this channel. So bad I can’t watch it for more than a few minutes. I get channels 7 and 10 well. I haven’t tried the new PBS one yet. Ideas or questions? I would REALLY like to get this working.

Tim

Check out the article in Sun-Sentinel:

WPBT, WFOR join ranks of broadcasters with HDTV signals (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/business/sfl-zhdtv16may16.story?coll=sfla%2Dbusiness%2Dfront)

Thanks so much for the link, hardrock!

I guess I'll have to endure my newly acquired dropouts on WFOR-DT until September, when they get their full-power rig going. Everything was rock-solid until they tweaked their antenna panel to dump more RF into the deadspot to the south of their tower. I suspect that this is why my signal is less stable, though this has not been verified by w4guy.

Meanwhile, I called WPBT and thanked them for all their efforts with WPBT-DT. Watching the PBS travel/demo HDTV material on WPBT-DT is by far the most thrilling HDTV experience I have ever had. What a great way for demonstrating the potential of this technology to people who have never seen HDTV, or even those who have seen lackluster setups in stores and walked away unimpressed.

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WHDT-DT - Channel 59 - MIG
Status as of April 28 - Several weeks away from completion.
Translation - More than 2 weeks but less than many.
Technical problems reported by WHDT as of April 18.
Phone: (561) 471-9200
Email: info@whdt.net

WBZL-DT - Channel 19 - WB39
June 29, 2001 - Anyone's guess
Work remaining - unknown
Phone: (954) 925-3939
Email: wbzl@tribune.com

WTVJ-DT - Channel 31 - NBC
July 1, 2001 per TitanTV - Anyone's guess
Work remaining - unknown
FCC Extension granted until October 5, 2001
Phone: (305) 379-6666
Email: WTVJ Feedback Form (http://128.11.160.79/cgi-bin/gx.cgi/AppLogic+FTContentServer?pagename=FutureTense/Apps/Xcelerate/Render&c=NBCArticle&cid=NBCQDEYA2FC&preview=true)

WFLX-DT - Channel 28 - FOX
July 1, 2001 - Anyone's guess
Work remaining - unknown
Rumored intention to broadcast 480p - a welcome improvement over WSVN's 480i.
Phone: (561) 845-2929
Email: rsanluis@raycommedia.com
Email: bfigurella@raycommedia.com

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Dear Moderator,

I think I just submitted a posting, but I am not sure if it went through. Can you please confirm? If not, then I obviously have to type it again.

alejim@aent.com

Thank you!

Alex Jimenez

Sorry about the previous posting folks!! First time on this forum!!

Since I can see that my first message didn't get through, I will repeat it below.

I am a Dish HD subscriber, and have been thrilled to death with the little programming that is available. Kudos to WFOR for finally bringing CBS to South Florida!! Now I read in today's Sun Sentinel(Where I learned of this forum) that PBS is HD ready!! Please confirm that I need to tune to channel 18 on the Dish setup to get WPBT's signal? I can't wait to see what everybody is raving about, seeing as how I think that the new Dish Demo loop (with the Turtles and Bees, etc) kicks butt in showing what HD has to offer!! This brings me to my next question - what guide are you folks using to find out when show are available in HD? I've been basically stumbling on them (as I did with NYPD Blue last night!). Since we just missed The Masters broadcast down here, does anybody know when there is other programming that is of a live nature, or at least direct to "tape" as opposed to film? I am dying to watch a sporting event in true HD.
I was wondering how many of us are in South Florida, since it seems that anybody and everybody that I talk to at the retail level says that there are only a handful of us!! I doubt that! Most of them don't seem to know what they are talking about most of the time.

Thanks for this forum. I will be checking it regularly!!

Alex

Alex,

WPBT is channel 18; but, their signal has been down since last night at 11 PM.

Alex,

This is the best place to start:
www.hdtvgalaxy.com (http://www.hdtvgalaxy.com)

Good luck...Chris

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Alex,

Dish PPV (http://www.dishnetwork.com/content/programming/ppv/features/hdtv/hdtv.html)

HBO (http://rw.hbo.com/schedule/bin/supersched2.cgi?request=prf&;)

HBO's Program Guide for May (http://www.hbo.com/guidepdf/may_01/0501_guide_ee.pdf)

Showtime HDTV (http://www.sho.com/framelaunch.tin?page=/schedules/schedule.tin&pageparam=network_-_SHZ)

http://www.titantv.com

PBS:
PBS WPBT Programming Schedule (http://www.channel2.org/homepage/Programming/week3prime.html) http://www.pbs.org/digitaltv/dtvsched.htm

CBS has most of its prime time shows in HD:
http://www.cbs.com/hdtv/ http://www.cbsbroadcastcontrol.com/hdtv.htm

ABC broadcasts NYPD Blue in HD; and, HDTV movies are broadcast irregularly on Saturday, Sunday and/or Monday nights at prime time:
http://www.dtv720p.com/ http://www.click10.com/entertainment/hdtvschedule.html
ABC - San Francisco - KGO (http://www.clicktv.com/listings.asp?Nav=Option&profileID=%2472%2473%248A%2471%2491%248B%247B%247B%248C&CID=AA8&WSN=WSERVER20&gDate=3A31A2001&gHour=12) http://www.wfaa.com/hdtv/programming/1,1033,,00.html http://www.gist.com/tv/progdesc.jsp?pid=MV0410290000&cid=11780&gid=30&u=20010331200 0&gmt=-5 (http://www.gist.com/tv/progdesc.jsp?pid=MV0410290000&cid=11780&gid=30&u=200103312000&gmt=-5) http://tv.excite.com/station/?station=ABC&date=20010331&time=200000 http://www.kxtv.com/program/hdtv.htm http://www.komotv.com/hdtv/hdtvprog.html

FOX only broadcasts 480i in South Florida.

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OK, who's going to dive into the pool?

http://www.animfactory.com/animations/people_m_z/swimmers/man_diving_into_bucket_md_clr.gif

WHDT-DT - Channel 59 - MIG
Status as of April 28 - Several weeks away from completion.
Translation - More than 2 weeks but less than many.
Technical problems reported by WHDT as of April 18.
Phone: (561) 471-9200
Email: info@whdt.net

WBZL-DT - Channel 19 - WB39
June 29, 2001 - Anyone's guess
Work remaining - unknown
Phone: (954) 925-3939
Email: wbzl@tribune.com

WTVJ-DT - Channel 31 - NBC
July 1, 2001 per TitanTV - Anyone's guess
Work remaining - unknown
FCC Extension granted until October 5, 2001
Phone: (305) 379-6666
Email: WTVJ Feedback Form (http://128.11.160.79/cgi-bin/gx.cgi/AppLogic+FTContentServer?pagename=FutureTense/Apps/Xcelerate/Render&c=NBCArticle&cid=NBCQDEYA2FC&preview=true)

WFLX-DT - Channel 28 - FOX
July 1, 2001 - Anyone's guess
Work remaining - unknown
Rumored intention to broadcast 480p - a welcome improvement over WSVN's 480i.
Phone: (561) 845-2929
Email: rsanluis@raycommedia.com
Email: bfigurella@raycommedia.com

After a few days of suddenly poor reception from WFOR-DT things got a lot better yesterday: back to DTC100 bit error rate meter readings in the low 70s (mostly 76 with brief dips as low as 66) and quite stable, as before.

w4guy informs me that they did some feedline repair work and had been down to only about 10 kw for a while but since repairing some of the line they have increased power.

'Bra, how's your signal? It should be better now.

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Hardrock:

1) You forgot the pics for my AVS bash!!!

2) What deadline for WHDT.They have none??

3) "adelphia cable".....when will i escape thooose dreaded curse words.Because of them i can not get local or <u>distant</u> networks.

4) Hardrock.You could try to find out if they are in violation of certain FCC laws.I doubt their "papers" are in order!

Dave --

Yes, something has happened at WFOR. My meter had been reading an adequate 65. Last night, it soared to 93!, with a high of 100! So far today, it is holding at a solid 79.

I hope this change helps our friends to my south.

I also note that the local broadcast lip synch is now as good as that of the network programming. Way to go, w4!

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Originally posted by wjbjr:
Yes, something has happened at WFOR.

FYI, I have to agree. I am finally enjoying a very stable signal of 65 from WFOR-DT here in Pinecrest. Kudos! Oddly enough, I'm getting nothing from WPBT-DT. Yesterday 0-6 signal. Today 0. Oh the humanity!

Originally posted by Bob R:
FYI, I have to agree. I am finally enjoying a very stable signal of 65 from WFOR-DT here in Pinecrest. Kudos! Oddly enough, I'm getting nothing from WPBT-DT. Yesterday 0-6 signal. Today 0. Oh the humanity!

Bob --
The good news is that WPBT was not yet on the air when you posted. It is on now, but I know not when they started today. They did not begin broadcasting yesterday until 5PM.

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Any ideas on why with WPBT I am having to turn my antenna to get a lower signal reading to get the audio to work? If I adjust it to get a steady 83 (great pic) the audio quits. If I then move it until the signal drops t around 67 the audio will start but then the picture breaks up. I am using a DTC and a RS double bow tie.

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Originally posted by wjbjr:
Bob --
The good news is that WPBT was not yet on the air when you posted. It is on now, but I know not when they started today. They did not begin broadcasting yesterday until 5PM.


Bill,

Thanks for the info. With all the digital troubles I've been having lately I feared the worst. It wouldn't have taken much more for me to start refering to myself in the third person like the prolific Bra. So I caved and in a moment of weakness/clarity I went to the Shack and bought the largest antenna they had. The VU-210XR rated at 210 miles for VHF and 135 miles for UHF. I think hardrock had mentioned it in a previous post. On sale $99. Took me about an hour to set it up. I now get WPLG and WSVN and WPBT at 100 level signal. WFOR at about 90. I'm sure I could do better if I raised the thing as high as I could, but it's an eyesore. I've been able to hide it pretty well. Anyone want to buy a Terk TV-42 cheap?

I hit guide today and hollywood squares showed up on WFOR today. Now I see the whole evenings schedule.

I guess they have PSIP turned on?

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I've been on a business trip for over a month and have been following this thread with excitement. I live in Weston and have a MITs HD-5 with a Mits WS-65903.
Could some give me a short list of the HD channels that I can key in manually when I return this weekend? this way I don't have to deal with the the scanning issues I read about!
Thanks, Stu

WHDT-DT - Channel 59 - MIG
Phone: (561) 471-9200
Email: info@whdt.net

Just spoke to Brian at WHDT. He indicated that they are currently under a self-imposed deadline of July 31, 2001 to begin broadcasting OTA. Prior to Adelphia Cable's appeal of the FCC's "must carry" ruling WHDT had intended to roll-out on cable before OTA. It is apparent that the appeal has upset the business model that WHDT had envisioned; and, they have only now began focusing on providing their signal over-the-air. According to Brian, they are currently bulding an antenna with their own personnel and could begin broadcasting as early as June 1. Based on the past history of their projected completion dates, it would appear that June 1 is highly speculative at best.

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BobR,

You now have the same antenna I have: the Radio Shack VU-210. I'm also using their 15-1113C antenna preamp.

FrankP,

I wonder whether your WPBT-DT audio problems, which seem to be affected by antenna orientation (very strange) could be due to tuner front end overload from adjacent NTSC channel 17, WLRN-TV? Just a thought. Where are you located relative to WLRN-TV and WPBT-DT?

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Originally posted by stuarts:
I've been on a business trip for over a month and have been following this thread with excitement. I live in Weston and have a MITs HD-5 with a Mits WS-65903.
Could some give me a short list of the HD channels that I can key in manually when I return this weekend? this way I don't have to deal with the the scanning issues I read about!
Thanks, Stu



Stu --
Subject to correction by the other contributing HD-5 users, it will be necessary to scan in order to access the new channels. The past scanning problems were caused by the presence of a zip code and have been solved by omitting said zip code..

The new channels are WFOR-DT, which is channel 22 but will show as 4-1; and WPBT-DT (18=2-1). To access them:

Go to Area 1 and delete your zip code.

Go to Local Area, Clear, Scan and uncheck unwanted analog channels. The new channels should be there.

When you exit the menus, the guide should download automatically and you are ready to go. Do NOT re-enter the zip code.

Best do this in the early evening. WPBT has been going on the air late in the afternoon and off at about 11PM. If it is not on the air, it will not scan.

Another tip: I had a power outage earlier this week and discovered that the guide download that appears on the screen following an outage will not work without the zip code in place. I entered it and then deleted it after the download.

Enjoy!

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Bill Brenner

WHDT-DT - Channel 59 - MIG
Anticipated Debut - June 1, 2001 to July 31, 2001
Work remaining - Build & Install Antenna
Phone: (561) 471-9200
Email: info@whdt.net

WBZL-DT - Channel 19 - WB39
June 29, 2001 per TitanTV - Anyone's guess
Work remaining - unknown
Phone: (954) 925-3939
Email: wbzl@tribune.com

WTVJ-DT - Channel 31 - NBC
July 1, 2001 per TitanTV - Anyone's guess
Work remaining - unknown
FCC Extension granted until October 5, 2001
Phone: (305) 379-6666
Email: WTVJ Feedback Form (http://128.11.160.79/cgi-bin/gx.cgi/AppLogic+FTContentServer?pagename=FutureTense/Apps/Xcelerate/Render&c=NBCArticle&cid=NBCQDEYA2FC&preview=true)

WFLX-DT - Channel 28 - FOX
July 1, 2001 per TitanTV - Anyone's guess
Work remaining - unknown
Rumored intention to broadcast 480p - a welcome improvement over WSVN's 480i.
Phone: (561) 845-2929
Email: rsanluis@raycommedia.com
Email: bfigurella@raycommedia.com

Will,

WPBT has a very strong and stable signal. You should be able to receive it without any problem. Their antenna is located on the Broward - Dade border between 441 and the turnpike. They don't go on the air until about 5 PM every day. Can you receive WFOR channel 22?

Originally posted by Dave McRoy:


FrankP,

I wonder whether your WPBT-DT audio problems, which seem to be affected by antenna orientation (very strange) could be due to tuner front end overload from adjacent NTSC channel 17, WLRN-TV? Just a thought. Where are you located relative to WLRN-TV and WPBT-DT?



Dave I now think that even though I see a steady 85 on the DTC's signal/bit rate error meter it does not react quickly enough to show the signal dropping momentarily. I am located in FT. Laud very near Okland PK. Blvd. and U.S.1. I do get channel 17 but no clearly. When the DTC is trying to lock on to the audio stream the (dolby digital) message on the info screen will blink on and off rapidly. Last night once I did get a lock I had a few hours with good sound until WBPT switched from one program to another. When that happens the sound goes away for up to 5 minutes or so. I used to adust the antenna at that point to attempt to get the sound back, lsat night I just waited and at some point it would regain lock. This pattern would repeat until they signed off.

Sorry if this has been covered before but where is the tower for WPBT located and is it full power? I am wondering if I will have to buy a new antenna to receive it. I receive WPLG and WSVN just fine now (85 signal strength) with an RCA indoor antenna. Will this work for WPBT? I live in NW Coral Gables BTW. Thanks.

Will

Anyone else receiving pixelation on all South Florida OTA?

Hardrock check your private messages, I see no pixelation problems on my setup today.

Hardrock...I do care!!

1) I am getting all channels on panny 51a!!

2) PBS is showing i believe "sperm" programming again.(whales).18-3!!

3) I am have some break up on FOX.It goes away if i move STB!!

4) How about i get some credit for being the first for most things in south FL. After all, HDTV "tenor" should count. I was the first back along time ago!! I was the first to report PBS multicasting!!

5) How about supporting my posts? I will even accept a "bump".

Bra,

Thanks for caring!

1) My mysterious pixelation problem disappeared after WPBT stopped multicasting on subchannels 18-01, 18-02, 18-03 & 18-04 and went back to 2-01.

2) http://www.animfactory.com/animations/animals/dolphins/dolphin2_jmp_md_wht.gif

3) http://www.animfactory.com/animations/animals/foxes/fox_with_sheep_md_clr.gif

4) http://www.animfactory.com/animations/people_m_z/movie_star/movie_star_blow_kisses_md_clr.gif

5) http://www.animfactory.com/animations/science/chemistry_physics/beads_flowing_md_clr.gif

WFOR switched from HDTV to 480i during Everybody Loves Raymond at 9:26 PM.

Hardrock,

I literally had to drop everything to give you that status report!! I think i deserve thoose kisses! Btw. What in god's name is the FOX holding? I hope it is not AVS gifts for friendly Bob Ross!

To all others "viewers"(audio-visual dealers):

It shames me to say i recorded FOX programming last night in 480i no less.Lets see why:

1) PBS no program info.Also i believe they NOT on air either.Hehe!

2) CBS is low power kiddies.Quote: "it is better to have true 480p Alley than pixelated Raymond"(TM)

3) Well,i did not forget about ABC kiddies.Despite my complaints...i care.I watched Millionaire and Ed's south FL semi commercial free lie!!

Hardrock,

I literally had to drop everything to give you that status report!! I think i deserve thoose kisses! Btw. What in god's name is the FOX holding? I hope it is not AVS gifts for friendly Bob Ross!

To all others "viewers"(audio-visual dealers):

It shames me to say i recorded FOX programming last night in 480i no less.Lets see why:

1) PBS no program info.Also i believe they NOT on air either.Hehe!

2) CBS is low power kiddies.Quote: "it is better to have true 480p Alley than pixelated Raymond"(TM)

3) Well,i did not forget about ABC kiddies.Despite my complaints...i care.I watched Millionaire and Ed's south FL semi commercial free lie!!

Is this our WHDT-DT they are refering to? What do you think it means (if anything!)

Chris
http://www.broadcastengineering.com/2001/05_may/features/fcc_update.htm



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Yes, Chris, that is indeed about WHDT, which had filed asking the FCC to require cable systems here to carry WHDT as an analog signal, even though they will be broadcasting in digital only. All WHDT has to do is supply the cable headend with a DTV receiver and antenna. The Commission initially made the decision in January. Perhaps, assuming that this story is current (May 5?) this is a report of some kind of reaffirmation of the FCC's decision. I believe a local cable company here had appealed it.

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STOP HDCP!

'Bra:

WPBT-DT only broadcasts from 5 to 11 pm until their official launch in July.

There has been lengthy discussion of WPLG-DT's audio problems on this very thread in which
I participated. Do a search yourself abnd stop saying I'm glossing over their problems when I'm not! Please try to be proactive and helpful instead of just complaining and acusing people of things they haven't done. PLEASE try to get your facts straight and think before you write.

To 'Bra and all who get a marginal signal from WFOR-DT:

w4guy informs me that they were off air to do additional feedline repairs. They're now back up and my DTC100 BER meter has risen from their usual low 70s up to the low 80s here, even with rain in the area. Check you BER meters and see if you see an improvement, too.

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HidefDave,

I am new to this forum, but I have learned alot from the postings!!!!

What is HDCP?!

Thanks!

Alex

Hi, Alex, and welcome!

HDCP is a kind of copy protection scheme that would give members of the Motion Picture Association of America (Hollywood studios) the ability to do a technological end-run around home recording rights fair use laws. It would allow them to not only prohibit you from time shifting digital video content for personal use, it would also allow them to "down-rez" HDTV video to standard-definition whenever they feel like it. You can probably see why so many folks on the Forum are "agin' it!"

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STOP HDCP!

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Alex

While Dave is technically correct, I believe that HDCP stands for "Heavy Duty Caca Pipi" Which is what we are going to be in if Mpaa has its way.

Sandy

All the HDTVers are magically gone. What left is citizen viewer Rodmanbra and select broadcasters/audio visual dealers.

As for stress.I really enjoyed unpluging a DTC-100 wire and connecting it to panny combo for the mere pleasure of <u>trying</u> to record Price is right! A big dunut but by now my lizard skin is used to broadcasters hanky panky!! The rest of day was spent with chearful conversations with PANASONIC!!

But do not worry,i predict more stress this summer. Will WFOR offer HD repeats?? More importantly..they must stop theese "human" errors. It is my <u>last</u> chance to catch the shows!!!

What a wonderful experience last nite....to have a choice between 3 HD OTA Shows!!

OK, only between 10 and 11PM; but it was great to "HDsurf" for a bit. The shape of things to come.

I'm fairly new to this forum, so I'm sure this has probably been discussed before, but here goes:

When is WSVN gonna get off the suck-wagon and start broadcasting in real HD? All I can get is 480i from 7-1, but its digital ... and of course there's no info on their website about it ...at least I couldn't find it.

Dave:

"a local cable company"....hmmm. I wonder which one! Maybe i should ask Don Landis who avoided Bra's big 1000 bash!!

To all "viewers" and use the term very loose:

1) WFOR and WPBT are off the air!

2) I have NO heard a single comment on WPLG other than my own in months!! I believe 720p Franz was on last night!

3) As for that article....what digital station. they do not mention 55 or 59 in any way?? Plus i believe WHDT is still a model of....(well i better not say).

Was WSVN-DT having major audio problems last night? Around 8 pm I could get no sound via my Zenith tuner and constant "stuttering" on my RCA tuner.

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Fellow South floridians,
I live in Lake Worth Area and I have dish 6000 with
OTA capability. Could any one of you please advice me what
antenna I should get to capture the Off The Air channels?
I am getting prepared to watch NFL on HDTV 8-)

Thanks in advance,
Lambu

Hello and Welcome!

To reliably receive the four Miami DTV stations from Lake Worth you will need the largest outdoor antenna you can stand and you will probably benefit from an antenna preamp as well. I have good results with a Radio Shack VU-210 antenna and 15-1113C preamp.

By the way, WSVN-DT doesn't do HD and neither does the Fox network so don't expect the Fox Superbowl next year to be available in HD. We may expect WFLX-DT to be up this summer, anyway and you won't need a big antenna for them. Likewise the other West Palm Beach affiliates will all likely have their DTVs up within a year from now. Right now only a few Fox stations have the ability to even pass the few Fox shows that are in 16:9/480p but the equipment that the remaining stations need to do this is reportedly going to begin shipping this summer.

Back to the Miami stations, CBS has stated its intention to increase its HD sports programming and WFOR-DT is on the air now, albeit at low power (you should still be able to get them here with a big antenna.) They should be up to full power by perhaps September.

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STOP HDCP!

[This message has been edited by Dave McRoy (edited 05-24-2001).]

While others are talking about copy protection( and not owning HD recorders)...i will provide these facts:

1) Congrats to Orlando w(for) having 6 stations on the air!

2) PBS is off to a "flying" start. No program guide and offending wbjr!

3) The "other" new station has yet to impress. So far the lowlights are:

a) Still no tech support...so far

b) low power= more stress for all!

c) Already making mistakes. Hardrock reports of missing HDTV and ofcoarse being off the air from time to time

4) The only postive so far.WFOR is broadcast 4/3 upconverts correctly. That seem not to be a big deal but in the miserable Maimi market it is the <u>only</u> positive thing to say!

Was WSVN-DT having major audio problems last night? Around 8 pm I could get no sound via my Zenith tuner and constant "stuttering" on my RCA tuner.

I had the same problem too on DTC100. It seems to happen quite often on WSVN, have to turn tuner off\on to pull in audio. This problem only happens with WSVN.

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Originally posted by rodmanbra:

3) The "other" new station has yet to impress. So far the lowlights are:

a) Still no tech support...so far

b) low power= more stress for all!

c) Already making mistakes. Hardrock reports of missing HDTV and ofcoarse being off the air from time to time

4) The only postive so far.WFOR is broadcast 4/3 upconverts correctly. That seem not to be a big deal but in the miserable Maimi market it is the <u>only</u> positive thing to say![/B]

Dennis,

Do you think you might want to rephrase that?

Yours truly,
WFOR ENGINEERING

Wfor,

Yes, i would like to rephrase.

a) Definately no support from you or Panasonic so far. So far being the key words!

b) Low power is a problem.

c) Your station has already broadcast some HDTV prime as upconverts.

d) As for "d",i was being very nice and civil!

e) I forgot to mention,i did not bother to record PiR today! Not in the mood...

f) Ok...maybe a should be thankful you have a program guide available!!

Dennis,

I can not ignore posts that incorrectly state WFOR staff has made “mistakes” with High Definition Broadcasts.

Point of fact:

WFOR-DT was not off the air due to a “mistake” on Wednesday May 23.
That was a scheduled event. It is difficult to replace a transmission line connector with 12,000 Watts on it. Turning the transmitter off made the job much easier. http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/wink.gif

On Monday, May 21, WFOR did NOT upconvert network program material during prime time. (I checked the log to verify this)
It is NOT POSSIBLE for WFOR to air 480 I. Period.

---LOW POWER— Let’s address the issue.

WFOR-DT is not a “Low power station”
“LP” stations are limited to a transmitter output power of between 100 and 1000 watts.
WFOR-DT has an effective radiated power of 71,000 watts!
Will our power increase to 1MegWatt in September?…YES. Are we _lower_ than that now? Yes.

Dennis, your home is outside of the Miami designated market area (DMA)
Viewers beyond the DMA are welcome to watch WFOR-DT programming.
However, there are legal issues tied to assisting viewers outside of the DMA.

Assistance:

How many other stations have representatives on this forum?
Have you followed some of the advice I have given you in the past?

You indicate that your “signal readings” fluctuate.
Do you really believe WFOR-DT’s output power is constantly changing?

I can not see your set up, but here are some guesses on my part:
You are using a less than ideal antenna system.
There is something obstructing your signal path.
One of your receivers is radiating spurious signals.
At least one of your receivers has a sensitivity problem.

W4

W4GUY,

Appreciate all WFOR engineering staff has done/overcome to bring HD to SF....even going thru the expense of a temp setup for a few months.

I will buy you plus 2 coworkers lunch at your pick of restaurant anytime. Just send me an email(PM button above) with target date!
Oscar

Originally posted by ar234:
W4GUY,

Appreciate all WFOR engineering staff has done/overcome to bring HD to SF....even going thru the expense of a temp setup for a few months.

I will buy you plus 2 coworkers lunch at your pick of restaurant anytime. Just send me an email(PM button above) with target date!
Oscar

Hey, we can make it an HD party. And as many of us who want to go can treat the TV people.
In any case, I'm happy to come along and help treat. Send me a PM too if I can join.

Wow. Rest assured i am offended by CBS once and again(TM). Right now i am shipping one of the cheap 1/2 generation sponcered by PANASONIC STBs to hehe.IL!! I will have a number of things to say. I promise!

For starters...

1) Who is Dennis?

2) I am Rodmanbra not Rod Stewart or Martha S!

3) The term "BRA" is actually not my invention. It is the pure genuis of the one and only Dave 480i McRoy! No grudge their. It is easier to spell. Hehe!

I will <u>never</u> take WFOR employees for lunch. The best i will offer is a 29 cent McD wedsday special for me while you bring a special container of sauerkraut for you.HEHE! Kidding aside(or am I):

What is the "deal" with DMA? I wish it was direct memmory access. ABC or FOX never sunk to that sinster level. Yes, I am in Palm beach county just like Dave!!Here are some of your low lights:

1) Bringing up "legal" issues. Either be very specific on which law or keep it in the closet where it belongs!

2) Being the first to state...Palm Beach county does NOT count.

3) No i will never be on your Christmas list. You can easily ignore Rodmanbra but should you ignore Panasonic??

Forget about Rodmanbra,Dave or even WFOR.The bigger picture is PANASONIC.

1) Did you know that panasonic is picking up the tab for your "mistakes"???

2) Panasonic is unbelievably offering to "fix" pana STBs out of warrenty at NO cost to BRA. Shocking but true! Even more considering i had very poor service from Panasonic professional division.

3) Fact, i am recieveing with both panny combos PBS with no problems at all!! CBS owes panasonic(hehe) a very small certified check for all Bra's expenses!!

4) Ofcoarse, you cost PANASONIC $$$$ for being 1 1/2 years late. My loss of programming aside!!

5) Ofcoarse, lets not forget WFOR employees telling Bra and others to upgrade PANASONIC STBs to bigger and greater things such as 3rd generation recievers. Telling ANY viewer to abandon Panasonic product for another manufacturer is unacceptable!

PS. All this and all future BS could be avoided.That is your choice NOT mine. You decided to call me Dennis the Menace or Dennis Rodman. That is pressure on me. Now the pressure is on you.

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W4GUY

Dont mind "BRA", He might be a scapee from a German mental institution. You are not the first nor will you be the last to feel the fury of his lack of HDTV!. I have offered to loan him my Beretta to put him out of his misery but he prefers to put you in misery.

Sandy

Naw Sanch, bra is suffering from 2-3 years of sensory deprivation, you know like those little monkeys that had wire surrogte mothers vs those that had cloth. (Psych 101)
(except it's the visual form for bra). I too bought my HD equipment about 3 years ago with the promise of Monday Night Football in HDTV (a cruel temporary sampling). However I'm a bit more forgiving (I work 70-80 hours a week so I haven't had the time to develop psychoses that seem to be in play here). So I'm pissed at the delays, delays, and delays....but the time finally seems to be at hand. Hopefully a steady stream of native 1080i source material (sports, films, events, music, and whatever will finally sooth the savage bra) Me, all I'm wanting (in order:is hockey, football, soccer, all HBO series and Discovery and PBS in native 1080i (though 720p is acceptable for sports). I write and wait, educate and wait, bitch and wait, but persitance is what's gotten me this far in life so I'm not about to quit that easily and go off the deep end. Pity our brethren who have............ http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif

Yes, i am finally happy. You caught me off guard with your last comments. What is fair is well fair!

Here is the bottom line. I am your "customer" whether you like it or not. I will record Baker's beuties 5X a week and ofcoarse the prime time HDTV grid. I will make a point of it to avoid every single commerical even if i get pixel breakup on my 1/2 generation panny combos.

So what if you can impress Sandy or easily beat WPLG HDTV logo upconverts? I am a demanding customer with needs! My master plan is to record most or all of your HD and you will <u>not</u> stop me.

I do care about CBS HD but not about to show any luv for WFOR! My dedication to recieve your channel is without match world wide. Facts:

1) Bought a UM back in Oct 99 for CBS not ABC!!

2) I have literaly 10 foot RS UHF only antenna in a closet waiting for ANY arrival....despite having a respectable 8 foot VHF/UHF combo!

3) Slap me silly. Once again an antenna is blocking my laudry room! This time i have to "jump" instead of crawl. Yes, HDTV progress. There is no solution for this until the FCC puts its foot down till Oct. Happy Halloween!

4) Yes, i am thankful for your antenna work down there. Three times i had to adjust mine. Thank you! One of these times, the antenna was blocking access to my balcony all together.

5) Silly me. I do not have a low profile super duper 1db UHF amp. In one area, we do agree 6 db RS amps should remain in Lake Worth. Sorry Dave!

6) Btw, me confused. Who's viewer am i again regarding CBS??? Am i a zip code casulty of WAR or a human seeking some HDTV relief???

7) Where is your employee Hardrock?? Enjoyed the X rated pics but come on!!

8) Then there is the now legendary missing in action Due South(tm) aka RCMP. While W4 was 7 months in FL "working hard", i was trying the Canadian DBS thing. Make no mistake. I have a ball and chain on my feet. It called a panny combo! Without this, i would proudly go Maple leaf!! Btw, i would feel zero stress about mounties knocking down my door!

9) Speaking of stress, i will have plenty of it either way. Summer reuns are my final chance of DTV salvation. IF WPLG is any benchmarck....70% range will NOT cut it. If you make mistakes...i get pain.If me pain...you further pain. Just like a flinestone episode!!

&gt;&gt;Holding to my promise...I recorded 2 hrs of Walker TR "do not be an HDTV stranger"(TM) and the HD district. So far so good - ofcoarse pixel breakup!

PS. If anyone wants to reduce my stress...how about info about WPBT programming? Yes, that means helping BRA!!

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Last night (Sunday, 05/27/01) friends were over watching the WPBT-DT demo loop when sometime arounnd 9 pm or so the signal went away completely. I checked WFOR-DT and they were gone, too. Only WSVN-DT and WPLG-DT were up. Anyone else notice this or was I victimized by a WPBT-DT PSIP hiccup?

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STOP HDCP!

same thing happened to me here. No WFOR-DT as of last night.

WFOR-DT switched subchannels yesterday. In addition WFOR's signal was greatly reduced.

WPBT was broadcasting from about 5 to 11 PM.

hardrock,

Since they switched subchannels, how do we tune them now? If I don't get them on 4-1 any longer do I just do a scan and add 22 to my tuner menu again and expect another "remap" to 4-1? (I'm not at home now or I'd try this myself.http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/wink.gif

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Dave,

WFOR is showing up on subchannel 22-02 on my Dish 6000.

Okay, I'll scan for 22 as surmised above and see what happens.

I've heard of one station's PSIP error making it impossible to tune another (!) and was afraid that that might be happening here. I have a feeling we're in for more of these shinanigans before it all settles down!http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif

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STOP HDCP!

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Sorry for the trouble guys. We are trying to resolve a problem with some of the 1st generation receivers.

We'll be finished with this soon.

w4

Thanks! We'll keep watching...http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/eek.gif

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STOP HDCP!

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I have been away for awhile, and boy did I miss the HD excitment! I get CBS WFOR-DT with an indoor antenna, WOW!
I too, lost 4-1. On a rescan, I only get 22-1, with the same results.
What and how did they change sub channels?

PS: THANK YOU CBS (WFOR-DT) AND ALL THE STAFF FOR MY AVAILABILITY TO RECEIVING HDTV !

I am back... well San Jose was nice. As I said in my last post, I did miss the first few weeks of WPBT-DT as well! I get an 85% signal on the Dish 6000.

Dave, my wife and I were watching the demo loop around 9pm last night. Our signal did not go away!

Gireesh.

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I am wondering whether the fact that I was watching my Zenith tuner (which uses PSIP to a greater extent than the DTC100 does) at the time that I lost WPBT-DT had anything to do with this discrepancy. Unfortunately I didn't check my DTC100. Anyway, yesterday I performed another scan on the Zenith and got WPBT-DT's HD channel on 18-3 instead of 18-1. So I "saved" 18-3 and the Zenith remapped it to 2-3. The tuner scanned 22-1, which I saved and it was remapped to 4-1. Strange, no? I'm beginning to think that the stations may be inadvertently temporarily crippling some receivers without realizing it when they change subchannel program assignments.

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Just FYI, I now get 4-1 and 22-1 for CBS.

Last night WFOR-DT was back to 4-1 on my F38310. Channel WPBT-DT was at 2-1.

All is well.

Hi Folks.

I am not so great in techno speak as most of you seem to be, so please excuse me!

I am HD capable through Dish Network and I was recently picking up PBS on channel 18. Yesterday, it was coming in on my 2-1 channel. I see that some of you mentioned "re-mapping". Should I leave it "as is", or try to re set it to 18? I was getting a beautiful picture and a meter reading of over 91%!! On Saturday night, there was some program shot direct to HD and it featured Ashley Judd. I couldn't continue to watch, but I was wondering if anybody knows what it was? Was this a program shot specifically for HD? Finally, is there a program guide that tells you what is on when they are not just showing some loop?

Thanks!

I am using a Mits SD5. I remember reading on the old thread, that if you put in your zip code, Guide problems come up. Does anyone know if they fixed that yet????
I put in my zip code in the dish setup, and I lost 22-1, but got the local guide. When I remove the zip code, I loose the guide and I get 22-1. Does the DirecTV guide screw up the channels ?
Also I can't get channel 199, which should be the HD demo loop. Does anyone have the same problems?

Jim,

If you're getting WPBT-DT on 2-1 you can leave it as it is.

The HDTV program with Ashley Judd is entitled: THE RYAN INTERVIEW (http://www.pbs.org/whatson/press/summer/ryaninterview.html)

Jim,

Posted May 16, 2001 on WPBT's web site: (http://www.channel2.org/homepage/digital/)

For the next month from 5:00 p.m - 11:00 p.m. WPBT-DT Channel 18 will air a program stream from PBS. (http://www.pbs.org/digitaltv/dtvsched.htm)

Originally posted by channel2info:

In July we will offer a full schedule and all the program information will be available on our web site. We plan on broadcasting all prime time HD program offers from the PBS network between now and July.

From article in the Sun-Sentinel:

WPBT, WFOR join ranks of broadcasters with HDTV signals (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/business/sfl-zhdtv16may16.story?coll=sfla%2Dbusiness%2Dfront)

WPBT-Ch. 2 will officially go digital July 1. Simmons said the regular schedule might be broadcast digitally before July 1.

Originally posted by channel2info:

Viewers looking for digital programming information need to call viewer services for details.

(800) 222-9728 - WPBT Viewer Services

Hours of operation: Monday thru Friday - 9 AM to 5 PM

PBS PRIME TIME DTV SCHEDULE: (http://www.pbs.org/digitaltv/dtvsched.htm)

The following upcoming broadcasts (if offered by WPBT-DT) will be shown in Widescreen Standard Definition - except those noted as High Definition {HDTV}:

JUNE

NATURE: Earth Navigators (http://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/navigators/index.html) - Sunday, June 10th, 8 PM

NATURE: Jackals of the African Crater (http://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/jackals/index.html) - Sunday, June 17th, 8 PM

QUEEN VICTORIA'S EMPIRE: Engines of Change (http://www.pbs.org/empires/victoria/) - Monday, June 18th, 9 PM

QUEEN VICTORIA'S EMPIRE: Passage to India (http://www.pbs.org/empires/victoria/) - Monday, June 18th, 10 PM

QUEEN VICTORIA'S EMPIRE: The Moral Crusade (http://www.pbs.org/empires/victoria/) - Monday, June 25th, 9 PM

QUEEN VICTORIA'S EMPIRE: The Scramble for America (http://www.pbs.org/empires/victoria/) - Monday, June 25th, 10 PM

SECRETS OF THE DEAD II: Witches' Curse (http://www.pbs.org/whatson/press/jun01/secretsofdead.html) - Tuesday, June 26th, 8 PM

JULY

SECRETS OF THE DEAD II: Murder at Stonehenge (http://www.pbs.org/whatson/press/jun01/secretsofdead.html) - Tuesday, July 3rd, 8 PM

NOVA: (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/satoyama/) Japan's Secret Garden (http://www.pbs.org/whatson/press/fall/nova_japansecretgarden.html) - Tuesday, July 3rd, 9 PM {HDTV}

FIESTA IN THE SKY (http://www.pbs.org/pressroom/1999/summer/releases/fiestainsky.html) - Wednesday, July 4th, 9:30 PM {HDTV}

SECRETS OF THE DEAD II: Death at Jamestown (http://www.pbs.org/whatson/press/jun01/secretsofdead.html) - Tuesday, July 10th, 8 PM

The Natural History of the Chicken (http://stage.editorsnet.com/article/mainv/0,7220,27004,00.html) - Wednesday, July 11th, 9 PM

SECRETS OF THE DEAD II: Day of the Zulu (http://www.pbs.org/whatson/press/jun01/secretsofdead.html) - Tuesday, July 17th, 8 PM

The Roman Empire in the First Century (http://www.pbs.org/empires/romans/) - Wednesday, July 18th, 8 PM

SECRETS OF THE DEAD II: Tomb of Christ (http://www.pbs.org/whatson/press/jun01/secretsofdead.html) - Tuesday, July 24th, 8 PM

NOVA: Runaway Universe (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/universe/) - Tuesday, July 24th, 9 PM {HDTV}

The Roman Empire in the First Century (http://www.pbs.org/empires/romans/) - Wednesday, July 25th, 8 PM

To Heal a Heart - Thursday, July 26th, 10 PM

SECRETS OF THE DEAD II: The Syphilis Enigma (http://www.pbs.org/whatson/press/jun01/secretsofdead.html) - Tuesday, July 31st, 8 PM

AUGUST

The Washington Opera presents Massenet's "Le Cid" (http://www.panasonic.com/PBDS/newsinfo/press_99/99_74.html) - Sunday, August 19th, 9 PM {HDTV}

GREAT PERFORMANCES: (http://www.pbs.org/wnet/gperf/GP_programs01.html) "Little Women" from the Houston Grand Opera (http://www.pbs.org/wnet/gperf/littlewomen/index.html) - Wednesday, August 29th, 8 PM {HDTV}

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Originally posted by rodmanbra:
Will WFOR air HDTV repeats as HDTV originals????


Bra,

WFOR's HDTV repeats began last night.

A kinder...gentler Rodmanbra:

Dave: Because i care. Wfor was on the air Sunday. TBA was on in HD with Bra having a party hat with "panty" combo! As for 9pm Sunday CBS aired a friendly upconvert which looked like a old repeat to me! Btw, Becker was a repeat for me to. I have video taped proof of this!

W4: Quote..."experimenting with 1 generation recievers". I do not see how. Most "older" recievers are discontinued. I have three scary cuse words for you: pana 50, pana 51a and unity motion! Btw, the DTc-100 is reliable wfor your channel and that too is 1 st generation.

I have no plans on buying a harris encoder thingie any time soon!!! The big ? is how much effort will CBS make to "help" Bra use pannies reliablly with said channel!Hmmm:

1) Will w4 use overtime to help bra shamelessly record CBS despite Bra's sucess with RCA unit????

2) Can CBS employees be bribed with free lunches?

3) Will WFOR air HDTV repeats as HDTV originals????

4) Why is Early Edition not in HDTV???Grr!

5) Does Bob Ross wear a cape to work? Certain AVS members think so.

W4: Quote..."experimenting with 1 generation recievers". I do not see how. Most "older" recievers are discontinued. I have three scary cuse words for you: pana 50, pana 51a and unity motion! Btw, the DTc-100 is reliable wfor your channel and that too is 1 st generation.

Hi, 'Bra,

I think that, strictly speaking, the DTC100 should be refered to as a second generation receiver. I'd consider the original $5,000 Zenith receiver and others of it's generation such as those you mentioned to be first generation, as you stated. So, really I'd say w4guy meant that they were experimenting with "second generation" receivers. Is this a fair assessment, w4guy? ('Bra, I realiize that none of this does you any good. Sorry.)

Did you try w4guy's suggestion for adding hardware to filter the interference problems that you're having with the Pannys? PCs and the computer circuitry that's built into these digital STBs can and sometimes do interfere with each other and that might be your problem. If a source of interference is great enough it could overload the tuner front end resulting in data dropouts, etc.

As for your other issues I guess we'll have to let w4guy respond.

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WHDT-DT - Channel 59 - MIG
Anticipated Debut - June 1, 2001 to July 31, 2001
Work remaining - Build & Install Antenna
Phone: (561) 471-9200
Email: info@whdt.net

WBZL-DT - Channel 19 - WB39
June 29, 2001 per TitanTV - Anyone's guess
Work remaining - unknown
Phone: (954) 925-3939
Email: wbzl@tribune.com

WTVJ-DT - Channel 31 - NBC
July 1, 2001 per TitanTV - Anyone's guess
Work remaining - unknown
FCC Extension granted until October 5, 2001
Phone: (305) 379-6666
Email: WTVJ Feedback Form (http://128.11.160.79/cgi-bin/gx.cgi/AppLogic+FTContentServer?pagename=FutureTense/Apps/Xcelerate/Render&c=NBCArticle&cid=NBCQDEYA2FC&preview=true)

WFLX-DT - Channel 28 - FOX
July 1, 2001 per TitanTV - Anyone's guess
Work remaining - unknown
Rumored intention to broadcast 480p - a welcome improvement over WSVN's 480i.
Phone: (561) 845-2929
Email: rsanluis@raycommedia.com
Email: bfigurella@raycommedia.com

Has anyone noticed any "DircTV Guide" changes?
When we are OTA, I noticed that the DirecTV guide changes things.
If I add my zip code to the dish, I get a guide update and then I loose channel 22 and 4-1. What I get is analog WEYS ?????
When I remove the zip code, I loose the guide and get my 22 and 4-1 back again.

Also, I have Telemedia cable. When activating the cable area in the dish setup, I only get "regular scheduled" but no information. I assume that telemedia does not tell DirecTV about their schedule. Yet it does show up when you add the zip code.
Any different information on this ?

George,

Check this thread:
http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/Forum20/HTML/000745-14.html

Originally posted by wjbjr:

Tiger --

Scanning won't do it.

I was fooling around with the HD5 menus and somehow accessed the station. Here is what I think I did:

Setup Menu

Installation

Local Area -- Uncheck channel 22

Done

Dish Setup

Area 1 -- Clear zip code Guide will load

Exit via Done or Video (I don't remember the options here.)

Key in 22-1 -- This should bring in WFOR-DT. It shows as 22-1 on the guide, not as 4-1 as expected. I can live with that.

Re-enter menu and re-enter zip code.

Always exit menus via Done. Do not back out.

I have a very good picture, and will post again after watching it for a while. Signal strength 65-72. No filter. No amp. Just a $40 RS VHF/UHF at about 24 feet and a 75±ft RG6 cable run. No splitter!

Originally posted by Bob R:

Bill and Tiger,

More or less that's exactly what i had done. First of all scannig will do it! The trick is to clear out the zip code. Also don't only clear 22 clear the whole channel list. I key in 22 not 22-1. The channel then comes up on the guide as 4-1 WFOR-DT much the same way as 7-1 WSVN-DT and 10-1 WPLG-DT. My continuing problem is still a weak signal in the 30's. If you scan after clearing the zip code and clearing the channel list, the channels also all come up the way I've just described. If you re-enter zip code the channels won't come up as they're supposed to because DTV's database isn't up to date and you will have undone what you had accoplished thus far. I have opted to forego zip code entry all together. I'm still hoping for a stronger signal.

At this time I am going to skip the zip code!
Don't want to loose 22-1 or 4-1, since that is the best channel out there now.

Thanks hardrock for the back info.
Bottom line is that you have to clear the entire list, before a rescan.

Will try this later to get 2-2 to 5.
As present I get 2-1, 4-1 7-1 and 10-1.

Only received HD in 2-1 and 4-1 depending on time.

What is interesting is that CBS 4-1 looks better than my cable !!! Looks like no noise grain in pix, vs cable.

Can not get 199 on the sat

did WFor change the direction of there antenna? for past few day can't lock a signal up here in boca? I was receiving a signal between 60-70.

Chan,

WFOR's signal did drop off yesterday during the storms; but, the signal I am now receiving in Coral Springs is just about the same as it has been.

Did anyone watch the 11:00 news on CBS tonight? When I tuned in at about 11:25 they were showing JAG in HDTV.

Originally posted by hardrock:
Did anyone watch the 11:00 news on CBS tonight? When I tuned in at about 11:25 they were showing JAG in HDTV.

Yes. The timing was right for it to have been the west coast JAG network feed. It was on the DT channel only. The analog channel had the news. Strange.

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Hi

I am 1/2 mile south of griffin rd and 1/2 mile east of 441 in Hollywood and only get a 28 signal on WFOR. My tv will not show any picture at this level. When will WFOR increase signal strength? I get 88+ signal on all other local channels. Also, why do many shows on 7 and 10 digital look so bad?

Bernie

bernie,

What STB are you using?

I have an RCA P61300 . it has the HD decoder (?) built in, so no STB. I live near Sample Rd and US 1, and I cannot receive any digital signal. I am using a small radio shack UHF antenna connected to the Ant B input, but after a scan, only analog signals. I don't want to go through the expense of an outdoor antenna if it's not going to help. Can anybody help!!
Scott

Hardrock,

I have a DTC-100 and RCA MM36110.

Bernie

Try another antenna. UHF is very directional, and you have to point it almost exactly in the right direction.
It also takes time for the tuner to lock on, so you can't just move it fast and see a pix pop up.
Go out an buy a indoor VHF and UHF antenna (I used a RCA amplified one that I got in K-mart).
Channels 8 & 9 are VHF with good strong signals, and will translate to 7-1 and 10-1 DT. Not HD, but will check out your digital section of your tuner.
Only HD (some of the time) channels down here are 18 UHF which translates to 2-1 and 22 ==&gt; to 4-1 (best in prime time).
Hardrock will keep us informed when another DT channels comes on the air.

Bernie, WFOR-DT expects to be at full power in September.

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STOP HDCP!

Bernie,

You should be able to receive WFOR's signal regardless of the fact that they are not yet at full power.

Bernie,

Do you have the RCA MM36110 connected to the DTC-100 via component cables?

RCA MM36110 Owner's Manual (http://www.rca.com/documents/MultimediaMonitorIB_47029_25.pdf)

"Something to Talk About" on WFOR is not being shown in HDTV.

They flipped the switch.

Hardrock,

I have the RCA MM36110 connected to the DTC-100 via vga cable and am using Terk 55 antenna mounted about 25 feet up under roof overhang. Signal is 28. Screen is blacked out on WFOR with weak signal message.

Bernie

Bernie,

You have indicated that shows on 7 and 10 digital look bad.

I assume when you refer to channels 7 and 10 digital, you mean channels 8 and 9 respectively.

Have you chosen the "UHF/VHF Antenna" "Signal Type" as indicated on the top of page 31 in your Owners' Manual? Your manual indicates that "Signal Type" does not appear in the "Channel menu" if you have set up the "GUIDE Plus+ System".

Have you set the "SAT/CABLE CHANNEL" to (S)VGA2 as indicated on the bottom of Page 42 in the RCA MM36110 Owner's Manual (http://www.rca.com/documents/MultimediaMonitorIB_47029_25.pdf) ?

Channel 8 and 9 are VHF. Channel 22 is UHF. A New York Times article described how it was necessary to carefully aim the antenna to receive 8-VSB service. The article reported that one broadcaster viewing the demonstration stated that "You have to work to find a signal" with the 8-VSB system.

I repositioned my Terk TV42 antenna with internal amplifier which is mounted on my chimney at a height of about 20 feet; and, the signal I now receive from WFOR-DT averages about 85 percent - which equates to a gain of 27 percent (85 minus 67 = 18 units) (18 divided by 67 = 27 percent gain). I'm sure that I can further improve my reception by swapping the standard coaxial cable I am using with a high quality RG-6 cable.

You may also want to try WPBT's Channel 18 sometime after 5 PM when they begin broadcasting everyday. WPBT has a strong stable signal and their transmitter is located on the same antenna farm as WFOR.

If all else fails, try another antenna.

I am in different time zone. Wfor did not start the movie in HD!! However.. the sponcered by panasonic was right on time!!

Someone at WPLG forgot to flip the switch for NYPD Blue.

WPLG finally threw the switch at 10:29.

Big deal or is it? Another plot of NYPD blue gets shot by sandy's 9mm!

The bigger ? is does anyone care! I think i will ask some A/V dealers....

Hardrock,

Thanks for all the advice. Channels 2,7, and 10 come is as 18,8, and 9. 2 and 10 always looks great in HD. 7 and 10 in digital are so-so. Antenna info screen shows 4 as 22 with strength of 28 and no picture.

You stated:

&gt;Have you chosen the "UHF/VHF Antenna" "Signal Type" as &gt;indicated on the top of page 31 in your Owners' Manual? &gt;Your manual indicates that "Signal Type" does not appear &gt;in the "Channel menu" if you have set up the "GUIDE Plus+ &gt;System".

I did set up Guide Plus. I can't figure out how to eliminate it. Will unplugging set for a couple of hours do the trick? I do not have Signal Type option on menu. Will having this option affect performance since I already get great picture when HD is broadcast on 2 and 10?

SAT/CABLE CHANNEL is set to (S)VGA2. If I do not set it this way digital channels are listed as 2-1,4-1,7-1 and 10-1. Does this affect performance?

My amplified Terk antenna is under roof overhang about 25 feet up. Repositioning is the only thing I did not try. But I do get 88+ on 18, 8 and 9 so I am reluctant to do that. Might have to wait til September for WFOR.

Bernie

Originally posted by hardrock:

B]Bernie,

You have indicated that shows on 7 and 10 digital look bad.

I assume when you refer to channels 7 and 10 digital, you mean channels 8 and 9 respectively.

Have you chosen the "UHF/VHF Antenna" "Signal Type" as indicated on the top of page 31 in your Owners' Manual? Your manual indicates that "Signal Type" does not appear in the "Channel menu" if you have set up the "GUIDE Plus+ System".

Have you set the "SAT/CABLE CHANNEL" to (S)VGA2 as indicated on the bottom of Page 42 in the RCA MM36110 Owner's Manual (http://www.rca.com/documents/MultimediaMonitorIB_47029_25.pdf) ?

Channel 8 and 9 are VHF. Channel 22 is UHF. A New York Times article described how it was necessary to carefully aim the antenna to receive 8-VSB service. The article reported that one broadcaster viewing the demonstration stated that "You have to work to find a signal" with the 8-VSB system.

I repositioned my Terk TV42 antenna with internal amplifier which is mounted on my chimney at a height of about 20 feet; and, the signal I now receive from WFOR-DT averages about 85 percent - which equates to a gain of 27 percent (85 minus 67 = 18 units) (18 divided by 67 = 27 percent gain). I'm sure that I can further improve my reception by swapping the standard coaxial cable I am using with a high quality RG-6 cable.

You may also want to try WPBT's Channel 18 sometime after 5 PM when they begin broadcasting everyday. WPBT has a strong stable signal and their transmitter is located on the same antenna farm as WFOR.

If all else fails, try another antenna.[/B]

Originally posted by bernster2001:
I did set up Guide Plus. I can't figure out how to eliminate it. Will unplugging set for a couple of hours do the trick? I do not have Signal Type option on menu. Will having this option affect performance since I already get great picture when HD is broadcast on 2 and 10?

Questions about operating or setting up your Multimedia Monitor? Call RCA toll free at 1-877-766-2728

is WPLG on the air now? i was getting a good signal last week, but now i'm getting a weak signal. i get channels 8, 18, and 22, but no 9. i believe 8 and 9 are on the same antenna, no?

Scott

Their towers appear to be right next to each other, according to www.100000watts.com (http://www.100000watts.com) .

Interesting to note that WSVN-DT is currently operating at 14.4 kw but has a Construction Permit to go to 145 kw (a typo? www.fcc.gov (http://www.fcc.gov) says "145. kw" [another typo?])

WPLG-DT is currently at 15.8 kw and has a CP to go up to 30 kw.

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I do NOT understand why ABC can not do 1 series in HDTV right. I <u>do</u> understand that the a/v dealers (aka viewers) do not care...

As for WFOR, they are conserving energy at night. There was no signal at 3 am!

i'm curious. is anybody getting the wplg feed on 9-1?

Haole,

WPLG is coming in loud and clear.

thanks, hardrock. gotta tweak the antenna!!

Scott

Originally posted by Haole:
i'm curious. is anybody getting the wplg feed on 9-1?

Try 10-1

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Bill Brenner

thanks, bill, but no luck. This is my dilemma. i bought a Radio Shack antenna. i placed it in my attic, and connected it to my tv. all 4 channels ( 8-1, 9-1, 18-1, and 22-3)came in great . i then hung the antenna from the rafters, and promptly lost all signal on 9-1. i believe that wsvn and wplg are on the same tower, or very close. looking at other sites, i see that wplg puts out a stronger signal than wsvn. why, then, can i not receive WPLG at all?

i am very new to this, so forgive if my questions seem dumb.

Scott

Is WFOR broadcasting full power yet? If not, when will they start? I can't seem to get this station using my existing antenna which works fine for the other digital channels. Thanks.

Will

Hi,

WFOR-DT is currently broadcasting with 71 kw ERP. They should be at full power (nearly 1,000 kw) in September.

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STOP HDCP!

WBZL-DT - Channel 19 - WB39
June 29, 2001 per TitanTV
July, 2001 per HD Pictures
Phone: (954) 925-3939
Email: wbzl@tribune.com

WHDT-DT - Channel 59 - MIG
Anticipated Debut - before July 31, 2001
Work remaining - Build & Install Antenna
Phone: (561) 471-9200
Email: info@whdt.net

Scott --
Forgive me for mentioning the obvious, but have you considered removing the antenna from the rafters and placing it in the original position?

I can think of no reason why you would receive WSVN and not WPLG. What signal meter readings do you get?

You might also try a channel re-scan.
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[This message has been edited by wjbjr (edited 06-18-2001).]

Originally posted by wjbjr:
Scott --
Forgive me for mentioning the obvious, but have you considered removing the antenna from the rafters and placing it in the original position?

I can think of no reason why you would receive WSVN and not WPLG. What signal meter readings do you get?

You might also try a channel re-scan.
Thanks for the response, Bill. I should have mentioned trying that in my previous post. I did, in fact place the antenna in the original location, with no luck, which is why i was so confused. That's why I believed WPLG either reduced power, or shut down completly. I receive channel 10 analog clear, but nothin on 9, LOL. Signal strength for 8-1 is about 73, and 22-3 is 64.

Wow. While writing this, i did a rescan... i now get 9-1 with a strength of 83. LOL, how simple!! i figured just tuning to the station would work... DUH!
I really appreciate the time you and everybody else has spent answering.

Scott

It's 10:45 and WPLG has completely forgotten to throw the switch for NYPD Blue.

WHDT-DT - Channel 59 - MIG
Anticipated Debut - before July 31, 2001
Work remaining - Build & Install Antenna
Phone: (561) 471-9200
Email: info@whdt.net

WFLX-DT - Channel 28 - FOX
September 1, 2001 per TitanTV
Rumored intention to broadcast 480p - a welcome improvement over WSVN's 480i.
Phone: (561) 845-2929
Email: rsanluis@raycommedia.com
Email: bfigurella@raycommedia.com

WTVJ-DT - Channel 31 - NBC
October 5, 2001 per TitanTV (Same date as FCC Extension)
Phone: (305) 379-6666
Email: WTVJ Feedback Form (http://128.11.160.79/cgi-bin/gx.cgi/AppLogic+FTContentServer?pagename=FutureTense/Apps/Xcelerate/Render&c=NBCArticle&cid=NBCQDEYA2FC&preview=true)

WBZL-DT - Channel 19 - WB39
December 1, 2001 per TitanTV
July, 2001 per HD Pictures
Phone: (954) 925-3939
Email: wbzl@tribune.com

Its been a long time since i been here.How many digtal channels does south Florida have? Well at least in Miami?
Last time i was only to view Rick Sanchez on 8.1 and WPLG
9.1 or 10.1...Dont remember.I think its time to get back in action and do my part...how will you rated them? from 1-10?
10 being the best! thanks guy...

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Nilson,

WSVN-FOX Channel 8
WPLG-ABC Channel 9
WPBT-PBS Channel 18
WFOR-CBS Channel 22

Has anyone else, especially in southern Miami-Dade, experienced a major decline in the WFOR signal?

Mine was at a very satisfactory 60s to 70s until Tuesday, when it inexplicably dropped to the unwatchable 30s, where it remains. The other DT channels are still at 100.

The antenna does not appear to have moved -- there has been no wind -- but I will check it if no one else reports a similar decline.

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FWIW, the Harris DTV transmitter for WPEC-DT, which should be on the air sometime in the first quarter of 2002, is scheduled to be delivered to our west Lantana transmitter site this afternoon. This is the first in a very long list of gear that will need to be installed and tested over the coming months to get WPEC-DT on the air. You can see what it looks like here: www.broadcast.harris.com/transmission/tv/platinumcd.html (http://www.broadcast.harris.com/transmission/tv/platinumcd.html) .

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Well, the truck broke down in Jacksonville. http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif I sure hope this is not an omen!

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STOP HDCP!

Rumor....rumor....rumor

gives me a Palm beach county tumor

another casuality of war

just like W...for

yes.. we are committed to 2002 or three

the waiting hurts like something from a bee

i think it is WPEC

george,

My CBS readings are down. From 64-70 to only 58! Yes, i can s(p)mell low power. Retuning your antenna should help. Got it back up to 64 but in different position!

Yes, my CBS signal is down to half what I had.
I loose 4-1 almost every night, and have to unplug my HD5 and reset it ???
Don't know why yet.
Signal goes to 40-45 at night, but 55-65 in the day ??????
You would think it would be the other way around???

I think the DirecTV list may have something to do with the loosing of the 4-1.
Even at 45, and after a reset, I get CBS.

But, I don't loose HBO in the rain, (with my dish), so there is a silver lining !

Hi, for last 3 days i can only receive wpbt and sometime WFOR on the panasonic51 but even less on the dish6000, but i lost WSVN and WPLG totally, can any one tell me what would cause that problem no signal on WSVN and WPLG. i used to get about 80s for those channel and WFOR in th 60s. i can get the WPBT in between 85-90. my location is in the corner of SW18 street and Lion rd in boca raton. thanks for your help.

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I used to get 65 with my Terk attic antenna, now only around 50.
Then I used to get 93 with my amplified indoor ant., so, I reconnected it and the best is 27.
This is bad data, because I can not establish the original results. Since the signal changed and I changed antenna's I don't have a baseline for my data.

The good news is that I now have a new diplexor, which shows minimal lose through it. Which it should, because it is not a spitter, but a low / high pass filter.

The weather does not help either. I wonder if this is part of the problem.

WHDT-DT - Channel 59 - MIG
Anticipated Debut - before July 31, 2001
Work remaining - Build & Install Antenna
Phone: (561) 471-9200
Email: info@whdt.net

WFLX-DT - Channel 28 - FOX
September 1, 2001 per TitanTV
Rumored intention to broadcast 480p - a welcome improvement over WSVN's 480i.
Phone: (561) 845-2929
Email: rsanluis@raycommedia.com
Email: bfigurella@raycommedia.com

WTVJ-DT - Channel 31 - NBC
October 5, 2001 per TitanTV (Same date as FCC Extension)
Phone: (305) 379-6666
Email: WTVJ Feedback Form (http://128.11.160.79/cgi-bin/gx.cgi/AppLogic+FTContentServer?pagename=FutureTense/Apps/Xcelerate/Render&c=NBCArticle&cid=NBCQDEYA2FC&preview=true)

WBZL-DT - Channel 19 - WB39
December 1, 2001 per TitanTV
July, 2001 per HD Pictures
Phone: (954) 925-3939
Email: wbzl@tribune.com

I am setting up my attic antenna.
Hardrock, can you post where you believe the transmitting antenna's will be for each of the above stations ??
Thanks in advance.

WHDT-DT - Channel 59 - MIG
Transmitter: 26° 43' 37" N 80° 4' 48" W

WFLX-DT - Channel 28 - FOX
Transmitter: 26° 34' 37" N 80° 14' 32" W

WTVJ-DT - Channel 31 - NBC
Transmitter: 25° 58' 7" N 80° 13' 20" W
(Same location as WFOR-DT)

WBZL-DT - Channel 19 - WB39
Transmitter: 25° 58' 7" N 80° 13' 20" W
(Same location as WFOR-DT)

Thoose stations are NOT on the air!!!!

Hi everybody,
Are we all still experiencing audio problems when tuning
in to channel 2.1 or is it just me?.
I usually have to turn the RCA box on and off two or three
times before finally getting the audio to come on.
The video comes up right away all the time.
Thanks for your replies
Helier

Rapid stuttering and/or complete loss of the audio on WPBT is still a problem for me (I'm using an RCA DTC100). Sometimes going to the SAP icon in the INFO menu and clicking twice brings the audio back, but not always. Switching channels back and forth also works sometimes; when that doesn't work I dial in 18.2 or 18.1 on the remote and that does the trick.

hardrock,
Would it be too much trouble to put the 2 station locations on a map ?
I am looking for bearing lines for antenna pointing.
Since the bottom 2 are @ WFOR, which is where I will point the best signal, I want to be able to get the top 2 when they start to transmit.
Thanx

WHDT-DT - Channel 59 - MIG
Coordinates: 26° 43' 37" N 80° 4' 48" W
Transmitter: 1601 Forum Place, West Palm Beach (http://www.metronet.com/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/~chipk/tvtl?calls=WHDT-DT&lat=26-43-37&lon=80-4-48&rad=0)

WFLX-DT - Channel 28 - FOX
Coordinates: 26° 34' 37" N 80° 14' 32" W
Transmitter (http://www.metronet.com/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/~chipk/tvtl?calls=WFLX-DT&lat=26-34-37&lon=80-14-32&rad=0)

You can also use Microsoft's TerraServer (http://terraserver.homeadvisor.msn.com/advfind.asp?W=0)

http://www.mapblast.com/gif?&CT=26.576944:-80.242222:300000&IC=26.576944:-80.242222:100:WFLX-DT&FAM=myblast&W=600&H=400&DU=MI&MA=2

http://www.mapblast.com/gif?&CT=26.726796:-80.08001:20000&IC=26.726796:-80.08001:100:WHDT-DT&FAM=myblast&W=600&H=400&DU=MI&MA=2

Only in south FL...maps! Can someone give me directions to WTVJ parking lot. I want to hold a protest!

How to get to the new NBC 6 Studios in Miramar (http://128.11.160.79/cgi-bin/gx.cgi/AppLogic+FTContentServer?pagename=FutureTense/Apps/Xcelerate/Render&c=NBCArticle&cid=NBCE7FXP5EC&preview=true&p=NBCSFJZRB8C)

http://128.11.160.79/images/NBCE81II7ECP.sm,0.jpg

WTVJ
15000 SW 27th Street
Miramar, FL 33027
(954) NBC-6000

FYI, as of Saturday, still no evidence of antena work being done on Gunther's roof (WHDT-DT.)

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Originally posted by Dave McRoy:
FYI, as of Saturday, still no evidence of antena work being done on Gunther's roof (WHDT-DT.)


Dave,

WHDT has continually misrepresented the status of their debut. With all of the money they've spent, I'm beginning to think that they'll fold before they ever get their product to market.

Hardrock;
Thanks for the maps.
G.

PS Any rumors on when NBC will do testing ?

George,

WTVJ will probably request another extension beyond their current deadline of Friday, October 5, 2001. Their petition to change Channels from 30 to 31 has been pending with the FCC since July 13, 2000. I'm sure they plan to milk that for all it's worth.

Petitions to Change DTV Channels (http://www.fcc.gov/mmb/vsd/files/dtvchan.html)

Kiddies,

How about a WTVJ(NBC) parking lot protest?? I know it scary but it is our civic duty!

WFOR forgot to flip the switch for Judging Amy.

"CBS forgot to flip switch for J.A."

No stress for Bra. Felony tape trading to the rescue!

WHDT-DT "Anticipointment" (http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/Forum20/HTML/003438.html)

This may sound like a dumb question but --
We live in a high rise with unobstructed view towards the west over the bay. I put in a Terk 55 and hooked it up to our Mits SHD400 the best we can get is the local PBS-DT station.

I once had 10-1 for about 10 minutes. Any help would be appreciated. I have seen on here people say the Terk is junk, is the Radio Shack a better choice, or is it more a function of being on the 20th floor with lots of concrete and re-bar?

Thanks,
Frank

Hi, Frank,

Concrete and rebar can, indeed reduce signal strength and create multipath interference, which creates "ghosting" on analog signals and causes signal dropouts on digital signals.

Neither the Terk 55 nor the Radio Shack antenna which is similar in appearance perform welll in the presence of high multipath.

If you want to continue experimenting with the Terk to try and improve your digital reception with it, try re-positioning it while watching the analog broadcasts of WPLG, WSVN and WFOR. Try to get it into a position that gives you the strongest signal with a picture that is as free of ghosts as possible on the analog signals. This will generally give you the best digital reception since those stations' digital antennas are co-sited with their analog antennas.

If this doesn't work you'll need to consider getting a different kind of antenna, something that's more directional and can do a better job of rejecting multipath.

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Dave and David:

Can you please tell me what kind of antennae are you using to get WPLG/WTVJ/PBS/WSVN {every possible digital broadcast)? I am located close to JOG Road on Hypoluxo road.
On my research I found that I need to get Medium Directional with Preamp from my location to get these stations. I got thsi info from antennaweb.

Also did you install the antenna yourself or did you get an installer to do it. Can you post the installer name / phone number?

thanks for the info

Hi,

I'm in College Park in NE Lake Worth, 5 blocks from the ICW and using a Radio Shack VU-210 antenna, 25 ft. up with a Radio Shack 15-1113C antenna preamp. I'm using a ChannelMaster IR remote rotator that I got via mail order through Radio Shack. I installed everything myself.

At your location you'll probably really need a large antenna like mine to get the Miami DTVs, not a "medium." You're pretty close to the Lantana antenna farm where 5, 12, 29 and 42 are located, so you'll need a highly directional antenna and possibly some traop filters to prevent interference from the locals. But, all the locals will probably be on the air by May of next year anyway.

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Qoute "all the locals will be on the air anyways."

Dave are u kidding. WFOR was 1/2 years late and NBC 2 or more YEARS. Unfortunately, history and the broadcasters master plan is on my side!!

Btw, you CAN recieve DTV thru rails. Just use a bigger antenna! Better yet protrude one thru a window! No kidding!

'Bra, why don't you relax and try to get your facts strait?

Frank wasn't talking about railings, he was talking about the rebar that reinforces the concrete in his building. That rebar, steel frames and metal lathe for plaster support are murder on RF signals has been known since Tesla and Marconi's time.

Second, WFOR's tower difficulties bear absolutely no relationship to the tower situations in the West Palm Beach market.

WPEC, WFLX and WPBF all have new or relatively new towers with plenty of space on them. WFLX's DTV antenna was installed last summer for crying out loud...all they're waiting for now is Palm Beach County zoning approval to add onto their transmitter building to accomodate their new DTV transmitter.

WPEC's DTV transmitter is currently sitting in our transmitter building as we await shipment of other DTV gear (I'm currently looking at it on a security canmera feed.)

Only WPTV needs to build a new tower and they are already operating from a brand new state-of-the-art HDTV-equipped studio facility. Now, does this sound like a market that's liable to suffer endless delays in deploying DTV? Get real.

Nobody in markets as small as West Palm Beach (ADI#43) is required to be up until May 1, 2002. Across the country, many won't make it. But many will.

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???

What facts? PBC does not have any DTV stations yet. As we painfully know...there is such a thing as an illicit FCC extention.

Rumors and speculation is not a part of my HDTV vocabulary!! I dread the words coming soon!

The bigger ? is will WPEC grant anyone a waiver?? I smell another complaint directed toward county comish Burt A!!

Well an update on our DTV signal reception...two nights ago we got 10-1 and 2-1 very clear. It was awesome to see our amp light up with Dolby Digital for OTA signals.

However 10-1 last night was another story, it came an went. Finally switched back DirecTV channel 10.

BTW -- we get both 9-1 and 10-1 for OTA 10, any reason for this?

Hi,

WPLG-DT actually occupies the channel 9 TV spectrum. You can tune it directly by punching 9-1 or 10-1. Your tuner should automatically "remap" it to 10-1 when you're channel surfing. Manually punching-in 10-0 should get you WPLG-TV (NTSC.)

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I have no idea why i am smiling. Kiddies...WFOR forgot to flip the magical switch for CSI!!! Note following:

1) PBS special Roman empire was 16/9 480i?? What gives? A/v dealers must be furious!!

2) Shocking but last weeks CBS WFOR HD episodes were DIFFERENT than on west coast?!

3) I can not timeshift WPLG or WFOR on pana tu-dst-50!! It locks in 5 to 10 minutes later. This is after 2 inspections by panasonic factory service center in IL!!!!!

4) WPLG will air some HDTV this Saturday. My party hat is ready! But who will watch?? I will but will others notice. Who is the weakest link? Who is one egg short of a country omlet? Who did not graduate from 8VSB collage? Who is one egg roll short of a pu pu platter!! Who's mental vcr is blinking 3:13 am?? No not WPLG. Look below but fear(TM) not!

5) Does anyone care about HD leno or NBC??? I am itching for a parking lot bash in Maimi!! Lets show some backbone!!

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I just took the new update on my Dish 6000 receiver and performed an auto scan of the DTV channels. I now show channels 69-01, 69-02 and 69-03 on my guide. No picture or sound right now; but, I assume the receiver sensed some sort of signal.

I assume that WAMI-DT (http://www.wami.citysearch.com/) was performing some testing.

(Channel 47 remapped to Channel 69)

What HD content would WAMI have? I suppose it could be sports...that would be very good. Or is it a given that they will just be digital 480i? Anyone know the plan?

Originally posted by aviators99:
What HD content would WAMI have? I suppose it could be sports...that would be very good. Or is it a given that they will just be digital 480i? Anyone know the plan?

WAMI was recently purchased by Univision and will soon be broadcasting in Spanish.

The fate of the remainders of the Marlins and Heat contracts has not yet been determined.

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I now show Channels 69-01, 69-02, 69-03, 69-04, 69-05 and 69-06 on my Dish 6000 receiver guide. Still no picture or sound.

Does anyone else with a Dish 6000 have these channels?

Channels 69-01, 69-02 and 69-03 only showed up after I accepted the new software upgrade.

Old version is 691PCNAD-N
New version is 750PCNAD-N

Today, I did another auto scan of the DTV channels; and, my guide has now added 69-04, 69-05 and 69-06.

Did WFOR just increase signal strength? I am showing signal in 70's and getting nice picture. Previously it was 28 and I was unable to get reception.

Bernie

Originally posted by rodmanbra:
I have no idea why i am smiling. Kiddies...WFOR forgot to flip the magical switch for CSI!!! Note following:

1) PBS special Roman empire was 16/9 480i?? What gives? A/v dealers must be furious!!

2) Shocking but last weeks CBS WFOR HD episodes were DIFFERENT than on west coast?!

3) I can not timeshift WPLG or WFOR on pana tu-dst-50!! It locks in 5 to 10 minutes later. This is after 2 inspections by panasonic factory service center in IL!!!!!

4) WPLG will air some HDTV this Saturday. My party hat is ready! But who will watch?? I will but will others notice. Who is the weakest link? Who is one egg short of a country omlet? Who did not graduate from 8VSB collage? Who is one egg roll short of a pu pu platter!! Who's mental vcr is blinking 3:13 am?? No not WPLG. Look below but fear(TM) not!

5) Does anyone care about HD leno or NBC??? I am itching for a parking lot bash in Maimi!! Lets show some backbone!!

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Bra what HDTV on WPLG this saturday? http://www.click10.com/entertainment/hdtvschedule.html

Bernie,

The signal strength I am receiving from WFOR is the same level I have received since they went on the air.

Their current FCC extension allows them until October 5 to go to full power.

After accepting the software upgrade (750PCNAD-N) on my Dish 6000 receiver; and, performing an auto scan of the DTV channels, I now have Channels 69-01, 69-02, 69-03, 69-04, 69-05 and 69-06 on my guide. I have not yet received any picture or sound.

Does anyone else with a Dish 6000 have these channels?

http://www.granitetops.com/Channel69.jpg

I am now receiving a strong signal on Channels 99-01, 99-02, 99-03, 99-04, 99-05, 99-06, 99-07, 99-08 and 99-09. The channels only show up if you select Cable, HRC or IRC under the HDTV setup, analog type.

Can anyone else with a Dish 6000 verify this?

http://www.granitetops.com/Channel99.JPG

More delays? WHDT's website now says:

By the fall of 2001, WHDT plans to have its new 1 million watt transmitter in operation at that location and will then broadcast soley in Hogh Definition.

It used to say Spring of 2001.

It appears that July 31st was a wet dream.

Thanks for the headsup on WAMI-DT. I'll do a search for it on my RCA DTC100 and Zenith IQB64W10W tuners this afternoon. (Channel 47.) According to www.100000watts.com (http://www.100000watts.com) , WAMI is to become a Spanish language station in January, 2002.

Too bad about WHDT.

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I now show Channels 59-01, 59-02 and 59-03 on my Dish 6000 receiver guide; along with 69-01, 69-02 and 69-03. Still no signal, picture or sound.

Could this be the infamous WHDT-DT (http://www.whdt.net/index.html) ?

I now show Channels 59-01, 59-02, 59-03, 59-04, 59-05, 59-06, 59-07, 59-08 and 59-09 on my Dish 6000 receiver guide; along with 69-01, 69-02 and 69-03. Still no signal, picture or sound.

It appears that all of the subchannels under the 69 prefix were being broadcast under the incorrect channel by WHDT; since, WAMI is not likely to be broadcasting any time soon.

Maybe we'll be receiving WHDT-DT (http://www.whdt.net/index.html) by July 31st after all.

Originally posted by hardrock:
I now show Channels 59-01, 59-02, 59-03, 59-04, 59-05, 59-06, 59-07, 59-08 and 59-09 on my Dish 6000 receiver guide; along with 69-01, 69-02 and 69-03. Still no signal, picture or sound.

It appears that all of the subchannels under the 69 prefix were being broadcast under the incorrect channel by WHDT; since, WAMI is not likely to be broadcasting any time soon.

Maybe we'll be receiving WHDT-DT (http://www.whdt.net/index.html) by July 31st after all.

Cool...what's the actual UHF or VHF channel for easy DTC-100 checking?

I also use dish6000 but no sign of any signal of 59 and 69

aviators,

WHDT-DT broadcasts on channel 59.

Chan,

Have you performed an auto scan of the DTV channels?

http://www.granitetops.com/Channel69.jpg

Slooow down.

1) WHDT is 59

2) WHDT does not do 480i multicasting but you never know!

3) Their website is unchanged!

4) Who other than a angry mob of chipmunks will revieve a low power WHDT???

Once again FREE advertising for WHDT. Gunther is sneaky and smart!!

I now show Channels 69-01, 69-02, 69-03, 69-04, 69-05, 69-06, 69-07, 69-08, 69-09, 69-10, 69-11, 69-12, 69-13 and 69-14 on my Dish 6000 receiver guide. Still no signal, picture or sound.

Does anyone else with a Dish 6000 have these channels?

Hardrock,

Yes, it did a scan on the 6000 and panny51 but no life of any of those signal 59 and 69. only those 4 channels which already exist.

One question is the 6000 has better reception than the panny51, but i did a comparision the panny51 tune in the existing channels faster than the 6000.

As of this morning, WHDT's website HAS changed. The header now says "Channel 59" instead of "Channel 55", which was their old analog assignment and the site now states that they are "...on the air..." without any longer having any qualifying language regarding some future debut date.

I'll attempt to tune them in later today.

See www.whdt.net (http://www.whdt.net) .

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HiDefDave

I experienced alot of weirdness last night at about 11 PM. All of the local OTA stations kept changing back and forth on my guide between the remapped channel and the broadcast channel (i.e. 7 to 8-01, 10 to 9-01, 2 to 18-01, and 4 to 22-01).

WFOR's signal is gone as of this morning. I wonder if this has anything to do with their upgrade to full power?

Hi, hardrock. Last we heard from them, WFOR-DT wasn't expecting to go to full power until September.

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HiDefDave

As I suspected, WFOR's tower crew is working near the DTV antenna. WFOR needs to power down the DTV transmitter during the day for the safety of the crew.

????

Rod Serling,

That's per the Chief Engineer at WFOR.

Did anyone notice that NYPD was in 5.1 last night? I think this is a first for WPLG??

Chris

WFOR still off the air!! But does anyone notice!

CH FREQUENCIES
VHF-LOW BAND
2 54-60
3 60-66
4 66-72
1c 72-76
5 76-82
6 82-88
FM BAND
95 88-94
96 94-100
97 100-106
VHF MID-BAND
98 108-114
99 114-120
14 120-126
15 126-132
16 132-138
17 138-144
18 144-150
19 150-156
20 156-162
21 162-168
22 168-174
VHF-HIGH BAND
7 174-180
8 180-186
9 186-192
10 192-198
11 198-204
12 204-210
13 210-216
CABLE READY SUPER BAND
23 216-222
24 222-228
and so on...

Cable ch 99 is on a freq that is not used for OTA analog or Digital broadcasts just above the FM stations. The only thing this could be is from overdrive of a near by DT station. Do you use an amp on your ant? If so disconnect it and see if 99 still shows. This is most likely coming from
a VHF DT.

Dave,

I am still receiving a strong signal on Channels 99-01, 99-02, 99-03, 99-04, 99-05, 99-06, 99-07, 99-08 and 99-09. The channels only show up if I select Cable, HRC or IRC under the HDTV setup on my Dish 6000 receiver.

Can you check your spectrum analyser for this signal?

The signal is definitely OTA; but, only god knows where it's coming from.

http://www.granitetops.com/Channel99.JPG

hardrock,

Can you ask the manufacturer of your STB what "channel 99" is in their equipment? What part of the spectrum does it occupy? What's it for? Describe what you're observing to them.

I recall some RCA TV sets that allow the user to access composite and S-Video sources by "tuning" channel 90, channel 91, etc. In actuality they were just switching from the tuner in the set to video inputs disguised as "virtual channels."

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HiDefDave

Where is WFOR? I used to get 75-80 now I get 22-25. So much for CSI tonite....

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You are reading my signature.

Clearly.... WOW the first person to admit CBS is gone!! That makes two real viewers vs 10 fake viewers.

Signal reading 0-28

I was getting WFOR-DT with occasional dropouts once again last night from 6 p. m. on...but this time with no sound on Zenith and RCA receivers until sometime between 7 and 8. CSI looked awesome as always. DTC100 BER was in the upper 50s most of the time which is lower than normal.

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HiDefDave

I am at the point of making a decision to buy the STB or not. It depends heavily on the amount and quality of HD programming that I can receive at Lake Worth. Do we get regular PBS HD programs? Also does any one have any idea about the upcoming NFL season? Will there be games on HD? I know Fox will not do it. But what about Monday night and CBS games??

thanks for the response

Hi, Lakeworthfan,

Your ability to receive DTV signals from Miami will depend heavily on you location, antenna height and the kind of antenna. West Palm Beach DTV starting next year (May 1 or maybe a little sooner) should be a piece of cake, though.

CBS plans some football in HD but I am unaware of specifics. NCAA football is rumored but unsustantiated as yet.

Last I heard ABC said "No" to MNF in HD this year. They do plan to increase their primetime HD content this Fall though.

Fox is supposedly going to dramatically increase their 480p widescreen content in primetime this Fall, too, but as yet WSVN-DT only does 480i 4:3. Look for the 480p widescreen stuff when WFLX-DT gets on the air. Their target date shifts due to delays in making Palm Beach County's zoning folks satisfied over transmitter building modifications to accomodate their new DTV transmitter.

Yes, I'm getting regular PBS programming from WPBT-DT and they carry PBS-HD programming, too, but PBS-HD only happens on several shows per month thus far. The 480i SD widescreen shows on PBS look pretty good though and are shown much more frequently. "hardrock" does a nice service by frequently posting alerts on upcoming PBS-HD and PBS-SD widescreen shows coming up on the "PBS South Florida..." thread.
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HiDefDave

[This message has been edited by David McRoy (edited 07-27-2001).]

Plugging into HDTV in South Florida (http://www.miami.com/herald/content/features/arts/digdocs/078899.htm)

Good article! I need either a map to their HQ or a funny cartoon or else....

Or else i ask you why two other residents from the big Metro monolith of Coral Springs do not recieve CBS?

My thoeries since no facts are available.

1) Some street lights of University drive are emitting a high frequency EMI which affects only chipmunks and all HDTV STBS other than the model 6000.

2) Steve investigates and uncovers numerous illegal basements in Coral Springs. It is also discovered that many bootleg rabbit ears are being mass produced and sold black market as overpriced HDTV antenna's!!

3) local Skyscrapers creating 8VSB havoc. the worst offender the single story Coral Springs mall!!

HEHE. NOW BACK TO WATCHING JAY LENO ON DVHS TAPE!! How need letterman when i CAN lead with my friendly chin!

Thanks for posting that link, hardrock. It's a good update on what everyone is planning.

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HiDefDave

Yes, thanks from me too!
Now I know why NBC isn't transmitting.
The blame (as of today) is that the FCC hasn't approved plans for the antenna.

Now, the FCC is made up of divisions, and only some people work the HD area. Since I used to work in a government type of job for a while, I know that it appears that many people are in charge. But I also know that only a few do any work.
And like the FAA, where maybe 1 or a few are really doing the work that has been assigned, they are overworked and under budget. I am not saying that there are people sitting around, I am saying that very few are assigned the tasks that we are looking for.
For the FCC, I believe that there may be only a very few persons involved in making decesions for antenna licenses.
They are probably in charge of the entire country, so there is overworked. Then if and when they do make a decesion, there is a half of dozen people that have to approve it!
So a simple job that would take a day, or maybe a week, can take months (and years).

So once NBC gets the approval, then I assume they will just start to work on the HD antenna.
And, of course they will have to ask for an extension, because nothing can be done until the FCC makes a decision.

I'll even go so far as to predict that WPTV-DT (NBC-affiliate) West Palm Beach, FL will sign-on channel 55 before WTVJ-DT gets on the air. WTVJ's situation is rather complicated. As stated in the Miami Herald article they want to get away from their current transmitter site because it has always been too far south to get good coverage in north Broward. (The reason it's where it is is so that they an protect Channel 6 in Orlando from interference.) Their DTV asignment is channel 30. To locate their DTV on WFOR's tower they might interfere with WFLX-TV (analog) on channel 29 in West Palm Beach, so they're asking to be reassigned to channel 31.

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HiDefDave

Some Newspaper or any other type of news media should do an article on the efficiency of the FCC with respect to the Digital and HDTV conversions.

Gee, would this threat by NBC move their rumps?

Dave's crystal ball in full throotle again. Now it is my turn.

1) I would like to thank WPEC for being polite. No replies from CBS HQ ever or WFOR!!

2) My waiver request was denied with no consideration or regard for human life.

3) My reply to WPEC is save the drama for your mama. I actually get dishnetwork distant. I too can flex a mussle from time to time!

4) Dave...my current readings are WFOR 0 WHDT -13 but on + side 88 for PBS and 80 for ABC+FOX. What are your findings? Remember you are under AVS honor code system?

5) Yes, i do value and trust your input. For everything except CBS. Hehe!

6) Dave...confession is good for the sole. It is day #10 of my misery.

Dave's crystal ball in full throotle again. Now it is my turn.

1) I would like to thank WPEC for being polite. No replies from CBS HQ ever or WFOR!!

2) My waiver request was denied with no consideration or regard for human life.

3) My reply to WPEC is save the drama for your mama. I actually get dishnetwork distant. I too can flex a mussle from time to time!

4) Dave...my current readings are WFOR 0 WHDT -13 but on + side 88 for PBS and 80 for ABC+FOX. What are your findings? Remember you are under AVS honor code system?

5) Yes, i do value and trust your input. For everything except CBS. Hehe!

6) Dave...confession is good for the sole. It is day #10 of my misery.

CBS is also 24 on my signal meter. Nothing has changed on my setup from when they went live. I used to have at least 80. I live in Deerfield beach.

Will, i thank you Romy. No.I am honest. Wfor down!

But FOX does not do HD !
Do they? and I miss it?
All they do is transmit 480i in digital in 4:3.
But, they do have some HD equipment.
They complain about money, but not to investment.

But FOX does not do HD !
Do they? and I miss it?
All they do is transmit 480i in digital in 4:3.
But, they do have some HD equipment.
They complain about money, but not to investment.

But FOX does not do HD !
Do they? and I miss it?
All they do is transmit 480i in digital in 4:3.
But, they do have some HD equipment.
They complain about money, but not to investment.

But FOX does not do HD !
Do they? and I miss it?
All they do is transmit 480i in digital in 4:3.
But, they do have some HD equipment.
They complain about money, but not to investment.

At 24, do you still get picture and sound?
When it gets down that low, I don't get any.

So another person cant get it. Does anyone from CBS want to say anything!

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You are reading my signature.

Originally posted by hardrock 07/24/2001:
WFOR's signal is gone as of this morning. I wonder if this has anything to do with their upgrade to full power?

As I suspected, w4guy has confirmed that their upgrade to full power is underway. Their full power antenna is currently scheduled to be hoisted on to the tower tomorrow.

In addition, the HD antenna for WB39 has already been mounted directly above WFOR's temporary array. No word on when WB39's transmitter will be operational.

Ahhhhhhhhh
This now makes sense why WFOR sometimes is not on the air.
Thanks Hardrock.

You do not want to be on the tower putting up an antenna with all that radiation. If I were an installer, I would ask to turn off the power ( or at least turn it down for safty reasons.)

Gee, isn't it wonderful that WB can put up their antenna, and NBC is waiting for another excuse.

Thank you hardrock for that update ... FINALLY some info on what in the @#$% has been wrong with WFOR ... I really miss not having the CBS HD line up ...

my signal fluctuates between about 10 and 20 .. lol can't wait to get it back in the 70 to 80 range where it was 2 weeks ago.

Broadcaster HARDROCK,

I do not thank you at all. Instead i insult the chef CBS. In return i get spit in my food!

To CBS,

Why did you not WAIT til Fall season? This shows are first run! Shame on you and the fake FL viewers!!!!

Originally posted by hardrock:
As I suspected, w4guy has confirmed that their upgrade to full power is underway. Their full power antenna is currently scheduled to be hoisted on to the tower tomorrow.


Update: The 6000 lb. antenna stub will be mounted today; and, the full power antenna will be hoisted tomorrow.

Reply to 'Bra:

I'm still getting WFOR-DT with about a 58 BER on the DTC100 and at the bottom range of "Normal" on the Zenith's "Bad/Normal/Good" meter. Signal drops out occasionally, though. I would expectv them to be off the air while the crew is on the tower today.

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HiDefDave

Ohhh
Maybe I will get 100 for WFOR !
Any news on the WB antenna ?
(Gave up on NBC )

Does the WB have any HDTV programming planned?

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HiDefDave

I certainly hope Mod Bott is reading this "s". There are always two sides to a story. There is the sincere AVS Rodmanbra and the real Boca Raton bra.

It should be clear to everyone what Dave's real CBS signal is and what WFOR is really all about. As for WFOR Hardrock, keep up the "good" work. Keep up the cartoons and leave the info to Mr 4DTV guy! I would prefer to here the truth from the horses mouth!

http://www.animfactory.com/animations/animals/horses_mule/horse_with_halter_trotting_md_clr.gif

'Bra,

If you wanted a better answer you should have asked a better question.

In any event, things are bound to improve for you when WFOR gets up to full power.

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HiDefDave

How long does it take from when the antenna is "hoisted" until they begin using it?

You guys crack me!!!!!!!!!!!!!! up...This unbelievable. Hardrock even though i do not beg to CBS or you. I bend know how to bend my knees. It very easy!

Now to Dave. Should i ask my ?s to the "old" dave or the "new" one??? Now i know why Mod Bott is deleting posts and even making some vanish with no trace. that is HIS stress relief for enduring the south FL three headed monster. No not me, myself and i. Hardrock, a lake worth resident and a certain Rodmanbra or is it GORAN!?

Not to be a ham...but Mr Bott is actually my friend. Hehe!

'Bra, what are doing up so early?http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/wink.gif

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HiDefDave

It could be because of south beach party. Or should i blame a99. Or am i desperately trying to catch PRICE IS RIGHT. There are many Bobs. But only one BB!!

to understand me better go here. hdtv1000@yahoogroups.com .Join the "fun"

Hardrock,

Did W4GUY say when they expect to start using the new antenna? and when they plan to go to full power? I only get 22 - 28 strengh on my DTC-100 and I cannot get it at all on the DTS-50! I was hoping to record the Gator's game with Tenessee.

Sandy

Sandy,

My guess would be immediately, so let's say by the end of the week; but, they didn't say. I'll let you know if they update me.

Gentlemen,

Please excuse my extended absence from this forum. There has been a lot to keep us busy. As you know we are very close to mounting our DTV antenna. The conditions were not right for the antenna stub mounting today; we hope to hoist the stub tomorrow morning. The tower crew is one of the best I have had the experience to work with. They are competent, safe and are ahead of schedule. Most of the tower reinforcement has been completed. Still the difficult work is ahead of us. This is what we can project for the next few days.

Tuesday Morning: Antenna stub mounting sometime before 10:00 AM.
Tuesday Afternoon: Antenna hoist sometime before 4:00 P.M.
conditions permitting.
To recap:
The ÒSTUBÓ is nearly 8 feet tall and weighs 3 tons.
The antenna is nearly 50 feet long and weighs in excess of 14,000 Lbs.
The bolts that hold the antenna to the stub each weigh about 10 pounds!
LetÕs not go into the size of the wrench.

Once the antenna is mounted, it will take a few days to measure the remaining transmission line pieces and elbows. Every line piece is custom made from a factory in Raymond, Maine. It will take at least week for the sections to be manufactured and several days to ship. Installation of the line sections will follow soon after.

So, the $64,000 question is:

Will the low power transmitter be in operation throughout this schedule?

Yes: Unless we need to power down for the safety of the tower crew.

When the last bolt in the transmission line is torqued properly we will transmit from the new antenna.

There will be a noticible difference with the new antenna. We will use the same transmitter we currently have in operation. Currently the transmitter is loafing at less than 25% of its rated power.

[This message has been edited by w4guy (edited 08-06-2001).]

Wfor: what is that! Welcome to the forum Mr4DTV!

Sandy,

Are u serious or joking? If what you are saying is true then CBS DAVE should join Gunther outside the forum. Then there is the issue of the pana 50? What is going on up their??

I suggest all 10 or more FL viewers to ignore anything #4 says. He has no regard for human civility!! We lost CBS programming for weeks. The R-E-A-L views should vote NO to WFOR "honesty."

I will proudly watch CBS from LA!

Qoute from WFOR:

"gentleman: please excuse..."

What about the ladies??

Thanks for the update, w4guy...and please keep us posted.

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HiDefDave

http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/image_uploads/Stub2.jpg

This was taken an hour ago. It is the stub for the new WFOR antenna.

Bob

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rjross@cbs.com

A few REAL ?s:

1) Why was there nothing about repairs/tech problems on WFOR website?

2) Why is WFOR and CBS HQ so tight liped for information?

fact: I called WFOR three times got only an operator

fact: No email replies from WFOR or CBS HQ. I did get THREE email replies from WPEC.

3) Why are some recieving CBS and others get nothing? Technical reply please...

4) Who is this "hardrock"?

5) I tried to semi-apologize to MR Bob Ross.

fact: Only to have pictures of fishes from a certain Coral Springs resident. The "new" bra was sincere.

fact: the post was the removed for no reason!

6) Why not wait til fall season for these "repairs". These are first run. The new fall shows can be caught next summer!

7) Why does W4 assume i know what goes on over there? I do not have any affiliation with channel 4!

fact: I complained numerious times about not recieving Price is Right(TM). Mr. 4 assumed a knew about tower work. I have no telepathic abilities.

8) Why is Hardock in daily communication witb CBS and w4? If so why did w4 not drop other AVSers a line??

9) My PM is open to everyone including Bob Ross. Just a random thought.

A few REAL ?s:

1) Why was there nothing about repairs/tech problems on WFOR website?

2) Why is WFOR and CBS HQ so tight liped for information?

fact: I called WFOR three times got only an operator

fact: No email replies from WFOR or CBS HQ. I did get THREE email replies from WPEC.

3) Why are some recieving CBS and others get nothing? Technical reply please...

4) Who is this "hardrock"?

5) I tried to semi-apologize to MR Bob Ross.

fact: Only to have pictures of fishes from a certain Coral Springs resident. The "new" bra was sincere.

fact: the post was the removed for no reason!

6) Why not wait til fall season for these "repairs". These are first run. The new fall shows can be caught next summer!

7) Why does W4 assume i know what goes on over there? I do not have any affiliation with channel 4!

fact: I complained numerious times about not recieving Price is Right(TM). Mr. 4 assumed a knew about tower work. I have no telepathic abilities.

8) Why is Hardock in daily communication witb CBS and w4? If so why did w4 not drop other AVSers a line??

9) My PM is open to everyone including Bob Ross. Just a random thought.

A few REAL ?s:

1) Why was there nothing about repairs/tech problems on WFOR website?

2) Why is WFOR and CBS HQ so tight liped for information?

fact: I called WFOR three times got only an operator

fact: No email replies from WFOR or CBS HQ. I did get THREE email replies from WPEC.

3) Why are some recieving CBS and others get nothing? Technical reply please...

4) Who is this "hardrock"?

5) I tried to semi-apologize to MR Bob Ross.

fact: Only to have pictures of fishes from a certain Coral Springs resident. The "new" bra was sincere.

fact: the post was the removed for no reason!

6) Why not wait til fall season for these "repairs". These are first run. The new fall shows can be caught next summer!

7) Why does W4 assume i know what goes on over there? I do not have any affiliation with channel 4!

fact: I complained numerious times about not recieving Price is Right(TM). Mr. 4 assumed a knew about tower work. I have no telepathic abilities.

8) Why is Hardock in daily communication witb CBS and w4? If so why did w4 not drop other AVSers a line??

9) My PM is open to everyone including Bob Ross. Just a random thought.

A few REAL ?s:

1) Why was there nothing about repairs/tech problems on WFOR website?

2) Why is WFOR and CBS HQ so tight liped for information?

fact: I called WFOR three times got only an operator

fact: No email replies from WFOR or CBS HQ. I did get THREE email replies from WPEC.

3) Why are some recieving CBS and others get nothing? Technical reply please...

4) Who is this "hardrock"?

5) I tried to semi-apologize to MR Bob Ross.

fact: Only to have pictures of fishes from a certain Coral Springs resident. The "new" bra was sincere.

fact: the post was the removed for no reason!

6) Why not wait til fall season for these "repairs". These are first run. The new fall shows can be caught next summer!

7) Why does W4 assume i know what goes on over there? I do not have any affiliation with channel 4!

fact: I complained numerious times about not recieving Price is Right(TM). Mr. 4 assumed a knew about tower work. I have no telepathic abilities.

8) Why is Hardock in daily communication witb CBS and w4? If so why did w4 not drop other AVSers a line??

9) My PM is open to everyone including Bob Ross. Just a random thought.

A few REAL ?s:

1) Why was there nothing about repairs/tech problems on WFOR website?

2) Why is WFOR and CBS HQ so tight liped for information?

fact: I called WFOR three times got only an operator

fact: No email replies from WFOR or CBS HQ. I did get THREE email replies from WPEC.

3) Why are some recieving CBS and others get nothing? Technical reply please...

4) Who is this "hardrock"?

5) I tried to semi-apologize to MR Bob Ross.

fact: Only to have pictures of fishes from a certain Coral Springs resident. The "new" bra was sincere.

fact: the post was the removed for no reason!

6) Why not wait til fall season for these "repairs". These are first run. The new fall shows can be caught next summer!

7) Why does W4 assume i know what goes on over there? I do not have any affiliation with channel 4!

fact: I complained numerious times about not recieving Price is Right(TM). Mr. 4 assumed a knew about tower work. I have no telepathic abilities.

8) Why is Hardock in daily communication witb CBS and w4? If so why did w4 not drop other AVSers a line??

9) My PM is open to everyone including Bob Ross. Just a random thought.

What happened? 404 warning. Please keep only one.

Hi All,

Here is the antenna going up. It was mounted at 1:15 today. (yes that is a tower worker leaning out to the antenna)


http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/image_uploads/WFORANT.JPG

Bob

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rjross@cbs.com

Thanks for the info. Does that mean you will crank back up the power soon?

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Originally posted by fecund:
Thanks for the info. Does that mean you will crank back up the power soon?



I''ve been off line for a couple of weeks. so I do not know what power they are running on the temp antenna. They may have needed to backoff because of the tower workers. Anyway here is part of a note from my engineer who is on site to help the WFOR people.

...Tomorrow through Friday is de-rigging of the antenna, boom and gin pole. Then the transmission line from the top of the tower to the antenna will be installed and the line will be tested....

Full power on the "REAL" antenna is a couple of weeks +/-

Bob

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CBS New York
rjross@cbs.com

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