need 3 more posts

now 2 more.

Last one.

http://www.dtvcity.com/toshiba-dlp/toshiba-72mx195.php This is the TV I was talking about in the above post. Sorry for all the random posts before.

Also does anybody have a price on this TV?

I can possibly agree with you on the reliablity part...but ummm as for quality and overall PQ... Gee, the guys at Sound and Video and CNET and even its 7.2\Very Good rating from amongst the common people (gee not all of them could be A\V idiots) speak in my favor. As for the Toshiba... they thought highly of the 52HM95...

So far, I am not hating the Mitsubishi... but that can change. If I can find the LCD online for around the same price shipped, I will take my set in and grab the LCD.

Cnet has not reviewed the 52HMX95 (HMX85 in Canada) yet, just the HM series. The HMX has a better picture and more features (2 HDMI connectors, better filter, etc). Also if you look around more people have an issue with the Mits and their aweful glare than with the Toshiba and its picture. That being said to each his/her own, and the important thing is your enjoying your TV. I just took exception with some of your extreme comments......

I would TOTALLY avoid LCD RPTV's! They have horrible ghosting on fast movement and sporting events and the screen door effect is VERY noticable..... DLPs are just plain superior to any LCD RPTV. Again my own opinion.

Kared

Cnet has not reviewed the 52HMX95 (HMX85 in Canada) yet, just the HM series. The HMX has a better picture and more features (2 HDMI connectors, better filter, etc). Also if you look around more people have an issue with the Mits and their aweful glare than with the Toshiba and its picture. That being said to each his/her own, and the important thing is your enjoying your TV. I just took exception with some of your extreme comments......

I would TOTALLY avoid LCD RPTV's! They have horrible ghosting on fast movement and sporting events and the screen door effect is VERY noticable..... DLPs are just plain superior to any LCD RPTV. Again my own opinion.

Kared


Hmmm several folks in this thread said that the HMX and the HM series were the exact same except that the HMX has extra connections and theatrenet hookups.

I had the 52HM95, and it had 2x HDMI and 2x IEEE1394 firewire\DTV ports.

I can understand the Glare on the Mitsu's because of the Glass, but I like the glass...
Now the HMX series, from what I saw on Crutchfields site, are more expensive and does have PC RGB port.

I had an LCD RPTV, the Panasonic 45LC12, and I have no issues with GHosting or artifacts. It was a nice TV, just did not have a lot of options. I will post some pictures of my TV...

I purchased the Toshiba52HM84 last year for my son as a xmas gift. After seeing his tv I decided to sell my rear projection tv and get the same Toshiba for myself. The DLP series displays a much better picture than the earlier rear projectors.
Comparing with my neighbors Samsung DLP sinc we both have the same cable box, I and he both agree the Toshiba is slightly better in picture quality and much better in the audio speaker performance.
Sometimes the picture on my tv is like 3D and I am amazed on just how good it is. I am very happy with my purchase and I am reccommending the Toshiba DLP series to all my friends and relatives.

Hmmm several folks in this thread said that the HMX and the HM series were the exact same except that the HMX has extra connections and theatrenet hookups.With the 94 series the difference was mainly the extra HDMI input and the black bezel. With the 95 series they both have two HDMI inputs so the main difference is the PC input, THINC (network connection) and the all black cabinet with the HMX. Don't get us wrong the Mits is a good set but you will be hard pressed to find someone to agree that the PQ is 20X better than Toshiba, at least with the 94 series which most people find to be as good if not better than the Mits as far as PQ is concerned. There are some things I did like better with the Mits such as speaker placement and more inputs but felt the Toshiba had better PQ and couldn't get over the glare with the set. It seems ridiculous to spend money on a trim kit to make it look right without the screen. Since you seem to prefer it better you might want to post in the following forum as the opinions on this thread will differ from yours. Good luck with your new set.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=418307&highlight=mitsubishi

Hi,

Just got my new 52hmx84 set from Brandsmart (Florida/Georgia Retailer) for $1,498 + tax. In addition I got their 5 yr extd wty for $275 including bulb replacement. Thought I got one heck of a deal!!

In my opinion, this tv is the best bang for the $$$ without a doubt.

Love the set's PQ and features. Waiting for my calibration disk to tweak the set further. Currently hooked up though Adelphia cable (with a SA8300HD) via component inputs. Would a hdmi hook up offer any better signal input or just eliminate the 5 plug in cords?

Also now debating on whether to upgrade to the Toshiba 62HMX84 DLP. Price is only about $500 more? Any thoughts.

This thread was excellent in helping me decide on the Toshiba. Keep up the comments they are extremely helpful both pro/con/problems/connections/etc.

Happy Toshiba Owner

Currently hooked up though Adelphia cable (with a SA8300HD) via component inputs. Would a hdmi hook up offer any better signal input or just eliminate the 5 plug in cords?

Also now debating on whether to upgrade to the Toshiba 62HMX84 DLP. Price is only about $500 more? Any thoughts.Some people report better PQ using HDMI and in theory it should (all digital connection with no D/A and A/D conversions). In either case you probably will use a digital audio connection from your STB to a receiver and the HDMI would just eliminate the need for the 2 channel audio to the TV, in case you don't want to use the receiver. I have found that at least with the Sony DVD player I have the display doesn't pass DD or DTS (only 2.0 PCM) from the audio output of the TV. It does for cable signals connected to the ANT1 input. I would be curious as to if it does with your STB as it would tell me the DVD player is the cause and not the display.

As far as the 62" goes it's hard to argue against larger screens. I originally looked at the 52" and ended up with the 62" and I don't regret it in the least. I would recommend at least 10' viewing if you watch a lot of SD programs and you might want to try splitting the cable feed and evaluating the PQ through the TV's analog tuner as opposed to the STB. It does mean you would need to switch inputs but I found the PQ improved over the Motorola STB I have. Perhaps the SA's tuners are better and you won't notice a difference.

I just bought the 62hmx84 as well. I have a question though. Im using Adelphia and can have t just pass all resolutions to the Toshiba and let it scale to its native.. Is this the best way to handle this? I also damaged the corner of the damned thing while getting it on the stand by myself.. oh well.. bent the upper corne of the speaker.. :( Also, i have been out of the loop a lil lately.. what would be a decent budget HDMI DVD player.. I was using the Zenith 318 for upconverion via component..

I just bought a new 62HMX94 and am delighted with it. I am a relative newbie here, so please forgive me if I say something already covered or something ignorant - but hey if I knew it all I you all would be coming to me for the answers and not the other way around!

I also got the Toshiba SD-5970 DVD HDMI Player with it at the same time. While the quality of the picture is excellent on the player, it does not work on nearly all of my +R or -R burned disks. I say nearly all because so far one has worked. I have tried different media and it simply won't recognize any of it except for the one that inexplicably worked. Also, sometimes you have to hit the buttons on the remote several times to get it to work. It included an HDMI cable with it, and that is a nice feature considering the STUPID prices most places charge for a cable. The picture is really great overall - that I have no complaint about. I have sent a complaint to toshiba about almost none of my disks will work on this but will work in my old cheap POS APEX player in hopes there is an upgrade or fix available for this one. But I looked around and there are complaints all over the net about this one - so I would not advise getting it. At least don't get it if you want to play recordable media.

I am interested if anyone has a recommendation for a tried and proven MS Media Center setup that works well with HD tuning/recording and connected to one of these Toshiba DLP TVs. Since none seem to have an HDMI setup, do you connect using a DVI adapter or Component Cables? Currently I am using the Scientific Atlanta HD DVR box from my cable company. The DVR thing is great (this is my first one) but I am wondering what the current Media Center options are for HD solutions, and what that option will get me over what I currently have today. If there is a recommended preconfigured system that would be even better. But I am interested in what you guys are using today for MS MC2005 HD solutions.

Thank you in advance!

I also got the Toshiba SD-5970 DVD HDMI Player with it at the same time. While the quality of the picture is excellent on the player, it does not work on nearly all of my +R or -R burned disks. I say nearly all because so far one has worked. I have tried different media and it simply won't recognize any of it except for the one that inexplicably worked.


I would take the 5970 back and get the 5980. I had nothing but problems with the 5970's and returned two. I replace one at the store and the second Toshiba replaced with the 5980 since they no longer produce the 70's and it works fine.

I use Ridek -R and have not had any problems with my backup copies.

Can anyone tell me where to find a 52HMX94 locally...BestBuy? CircuitCity?

Also is the HMX94 the only one with gaming mode?

I'm looking for a DLP to mostly watch movies and do some gaming on and this is the TV I've kinda been pointed towards.

Can anyone tell me where to find a 52HMX94 locally...BestBuy? CircuitCity?

Also is the HMX94 the only one with gaming mode?

I'm looking for a DLP to mostly watch movies and do some gaming on and this is the TV I've kinda been pointed towards.Circuit City doesn't carry ANY Toshiba's. Best Buy does not carry the Cinema Series so you will only find the HM94's. Usually only the higher end retailers will carry the Cinema Series. You can try calling Toshiba for dealers in your area. I was able to get mine at a retailer but I believe they are only in Michigan and Ohio.

P.S. All of the 94 series (HM and HMX) have the "game mode". I'm not sure about the 95 series.

I just bought the 62hmx84 as well. I have a question though. Im using Adelphia and can have t just pass all resolutions to the Toshiba and let it scale to its native.. Is this the best way to handle this? I also damaged the corner of the damned thing while getting it on the stand by myself.. oh well.. bent the upper corne of the speaker.. :( Also, i have been out of the loop a lil lately.. what would be a decent budget HDMI DVD player.. I was using the Zenith 318 for upconverion via component..If your STB supports native "pass through" this would be the ideal setting to allow the TV to scale when necessary. I don't know what you consider "budget" HDMI player but the three most common in the $300 range are the Panasonic S-97 (and newer S-77), the Sony DVP-NS975V (which I have), and the Oppo OPDV971H which uses DVI as an output.

I just adjusted my Adelphia cable box (SA8300HD DVR) and it makes a huge difference if not set up properly for the Toshiba. The SA web sit has a lot of manuals and info online (scientificatlanta). (Sorry, I couldn't post the the entire URL because of the Forum restrictions so you will need to add the standard URL address info)

This is what I did with the component hook-up that I am using to the TV: Get into the setup menu on the cable box, go through the menus for HD and Wide Screen in Advanced Settings. ( Do not use the Easy Setup routine as this limits you to 480i and 1080i resolutions.) Select all the formats (has to be done one by one) and then find the option for the Pass-Through and select that option. While you're there you might also want to select the Dark option for letterboxing to get black letterboxing instead of grey. I have ordered HDMI cables and plan to try that connection as compared to my present component hook-up. With the HDMI, I believe the best resolutions for the TV are automatically selected through the hook-up and can not be selected manually in the cable box.

Give it a try. You may have to re-tweak your Preferences picture because of the better resolutions.

With the HDMI, I believe the best resolutions for the TV are automatically selected through the hook-up and can not be selected manually in the cable box.The settings for resolution should be the same for component or HDMI. My Motorola's settings are for both component and DVI.

Hey guys. I have a 52HMX95 DLP.

It arrived last Tuesday. After a week of watching I noticed a few (2-3) small pieces of dust on the bottom half of the screen. These pieces of dust show up as black, and look to be behind the TV screen. I didn't notice them at first so I'm not sure if they came on recently or were there all along.

Is this something I should worry about? Is this a normal occurance, and if so is it easy for someone to clean it in say a year or so? Is this something that gets worse over time?

Its got a 5yr warranty so I'm not too worried about it.

BTW I love this TV, I'm just wondering if other Toshiba DLP owners have had this type of issue?

Info appreciated! Thanks

My 46HM94 has one dust on the lower right side of the screen too. But I only notice it when there is a solid light colour on that area and if I am close to the screen. So far I am just ignoring it since I am guessing it is probably a dust on the lens.

Hi there. My new Toshiba 52HXM95 (52" DLPTV) arrived yesterday (stand is coming later - its on backorder). You will absolutely LOVE the brightness on this DLP! Its so bright that i had to turn the bulb to low power or my eyes would have bugged out. The 95 series are even brighter than last years DLP models (now 150watt bulb). Even though I've watched HDTV before I was completely blown away by the quality of it on this TV (and I havent even calibrated it yet!). I too looked at several different DLPs and decided on the Toshiba and am glad I made that choice.

Some Samsung DLP users and other users of LCD projection and Plasma have complained of audio lag issues using audio out from devices to amplifiers (because of the processing time required on these new TVs) but Ive noticed no such issues on the Toshiba's in either DVD or from the Satellite HDTV receiver.

I would avoid the plasmas in general, esp ones at the lower price range you are looking at (most of them are EDTVs (480i/p) and not true HDTV ones). I would recommend this DLPTV in a heartbeat to anyone looking for an affordable, high quality bigscreen TV.

Kared

Hey Kared...Thanks for the opinion...What is interesting about this thread is that very few people in the hundreds of posts have complained about this TV. Reading other threads you can find a consistent complaint about one thing or another. Here it is usually "How can I make it better" type posts...I think most people here would say that anyway...its a challenge thing...PQ perfection!

Anyhow..thanks and I can't wait to get my Toshiba!

Hey guys. I have a 52HMX95 DLP.

It arrived last Tuesday. After a week of watching I noticed a few (2-3) small pieces of dust on the bottom half of the screen. These pieces of dust show up as black, and look to be behind the TV screen. I didn't notice them at first so I'm not sure if they came on recently or were there all along.

Is this something I should worry about? Is this a normal occurance, and if so is it easy for someone to clean it in say a year or so? Is this something that gets worse over time?

Its got a 5yr warranty so I'm not too worried about it.

BTW I love this TV, I'm just wondering if other Toshiba DLP owners have had this type of issue?

Info appreciated! Thanks

Yep, I had this a few months back... Mine was in the upper left portion of the screen. You could really notice it during light scenes or when the screen was white. I sent it in for service to a local repair shop, they cleaned the optical block and the problem was gone. They said they also sealed it better than Toshiba had so hopefully it doesn't happen again.

...720p: Because it's the set's native resolution, everything is disabled and you have no Aspect ration option...All Toshibas are like that. It has nothing to do with the device that's connected to it.

I understand, but then I expected some explanation, you know, on the TV's manual.

OK, but does that mean if we set our devices to 720p, the image will be correctly proportioned and displayed on the Toshiba? Was I under the wrong impression by the image (it seemed kind of squashed, like 4:3 in FULL)?

Or, would it be better to have some of the zoom functions available and set the devices to 1080i?

All:

I am having a TVGOS/Cable Card issue with my Toshiba 52HMX94. The CC worked great for the first two weeks, although the TVGOS refused to get a channel listing. Once I added an external antenna to ANT 2, I received a channel listing, but no program information. It was at this point that I started to lose audio on the majority of my channels. If I do a complete reset to defaults on the TV, the audio comes back. But once the TVGOS updates the channel listings, I lose audio again. I have a call into TVGOS, and I am placing ANOTHER call into Toshiba. Has anyone had either of these issues?

uh2

OK, but does that mean if we set our devices to 720p, the image will be correctly proportioned and displayed on the Toshiba? Was I under the wrong impression by the image (it seemed kind of squashed, like 4:3 in FULL)?

If the connected device is configures properly to send a 16:9 image, then the TV will be correctly proportioned. My guess is your device is configured for 4:3.

Now the other question where you ask if you should put 1080i or 720p ?

Check what's better looking for you. My DVD player is set to 1080i because i find that PQ is a bit better then at 720p. I still get a nice 16:9 image at 720p and do not need any aspect ratio options at any of these resolutions.

My cable box is set to passthrough to feed the TV with the broadcaster's format. I found that it was giving me a better PQ on 720p channels than upscaling everything to 1080i.

I've tried to look through the thread, but I apoligize if I missed my answer.

What is the major upgrade in the HM95 vs the HM 84? I've seen some people post that the chip is better in the 84. It seems that the older model is only available through the web and the new model is avail at the major retailers.

I guess my main question is: Is the newer model worth the extra coin or would the older be just as well?
thanks in advance.

What is the major upgrade in the HM95 vs the HM 84? I've seen some people post that the chip is better in the 84. It seems that the older model is only available through the web and the new model is avail at the major retailers.

I guess my main question is: Is the newer model worth the extra coin or would the older be just as well?
thanks in advance.You are comparing two entirely different sets. The HM84 does not have integrated tuners (ATSC/QAM), media card slot, IEEE-1394 outputs, TVGOS, digital optical output, or a cable card slot. That's what the "9" signifies. If you want to compare the HM94 (last years model) and the HM95 (this years model) the biggest difference is the newer ones have 2 HDMI ports whereas the HM94 only had one. The HMX series were the only ones that had two HDMI ports in last years models. Also, the newer sets use the HD4 chip as opposed to the HD2+ from last year. Opinions vary on which on is better.

Check out krc's post for the model differences on last years models.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=438276&perpage=20&pagenumber=25

You are comparing two entirely different sets. The HM84 does not have integrated tuners (ATSC/QAM), media card slot, IEEE-1394 outputs, TVGOS, digital optical output, or a cable card slot. That's what the "9" signifies. If you want to compare the HM94 (last years model) and the HM95 (this years model) the biggest difference is the newer ones have 2 HDMI ports whereas the HM94 only had one. The HMX series were the only ones that had two HDMI ports in last years models. Also, the newer sets use the HD4 chip as opposed to the HD2+ from last year. Opinions vary on which on is better.

Check out krc's post for the model differences on last years models.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=438276&perpage=20&pagenumber=25

Thanks alot for the help. I guess I missed the point originally that the 84 and 94/95 were different series. I'll check out that thread. I'm not sure if the integrated tuner or cable card provide any value as I have directv and have the antenna hooked up to the box so I may just be OK with the 84 and save some coin.
Is the 94 still available at the major retailers? (I'm looking for a 46inch).

Well... I just went to best buy and checked out what I "was missing" in the case of the HM95's... I am sorry, please do not take this as flaming or as me being smart alecky or nasty, but I once again looked at the Toshiba's and of course I walked right up to the sets. WHat I saw was the same... The Toshiba's picture was far below that of the WD-52527's which had a level of sharpness matched only by the 55 inch Sony sitting next to it.

THe close I looked at the Toshiba, the more I could see little black speckles and and a general fuzzy graininess that was on all of the scenese. They were playing a loop from the Robots movie and it was in HD....

I have to say that the picture on the WD-52527 was the best looking... I could cleary see the screen door, but that was not a problem to me in comparrison to the HM95 (Both the 52 inch and the 62 inch)'s graininess...

I am happy with the WD-52525, but will wait for the 52527 to come down some more so that I can take my 52525 in and get that one instead. That is the TV that I want...
Its blacks are fine, and the color is awesome, and it isthe sharpest picture in the store.,...

Well... I just went to best buy and checked out what I "was missing" in the case of the HM95's... I am sorry, please do not take this as flaming or as me being smart alecky or nasty, but I once again looked at the Toshiba's and of course I walked right up to the sets. WHat I saw was the same... The Toshiba's picture was far below that of the WD-52527's which had a level of sharpness matched only by the 55 inch Sony sitting next to itPlease don't take this the wrong way but why do you feel the need to keep posting in this thread? You had the HM95 and preferred the Mits. Why do you feel the need to keep validating your purchase by looking at a set you already had and didn't like? It was explained that a better comparison was with the 84's and 94's as they have the same HD2+ chip as the Mits.

Well... I just went to best buy and checked out what I "was missing" in the case of the HM95's... I am sorry, please do not take this as flaming or as me being smart alecky or nasty, but I once again looked at the Toshiba's and of course I walked right up to the sets. WHat I saw was the same... The Toshiba's picture was far below that of the WD-52527's which had a level of sharpness matched only by the 55 inch Sony sitting next to it.



I don't know what your store is running for cables and setup, but you shouldnt be seeing what you are with the Toshiba.... sorry dude but your just plain wrong.... yet again you grossly exaggerate your statements.

I've seen the WD-52527 up close and in HDTV and its just not as sharp as the Toshiba's or the Sammy's. I agree with what CNET says on the Mits (when they gave it a 6.2 rating and said it was for casual TV watchers only). Theres just no way this beats the Toshiba DLP's.... and the VAST majority of people would agree with me.....

why the need to keep harping on your Mits.... your not gonna change anyones mind on this thread. The ONLY way id consider a Mits is if the sun exploded and we were left in darkness - because of its horrific glare problems..... the mits is just, plain inferior.... period LOL

Anyway if you like your Mits then great enjoy it and post in their thread.

Cheers,

Kared

I bought the Toshiba HMX84 52" and decided to bite the bullet and get the matching stand. So far, the best price I've found is $261 delivered. Although Best Buy and Sears show them online for $199 + delivery they are not available.

Anyone found an internet site with a better price including shipping to Florida?

Please don't take this the wrong way but why do you feel the need to keep posting in this thread? You had the HM95 and preferred the Mits. Why do you feel the need to keep validating your purchase by looking at a set you already had and didn't like? It was explained that a better comparison was with the 84's and 94's as they have the same HD2+ chip as the Mits.

Well, I guess I feel like it is my duty to warn people about the 95 series. I feel dissappointed in that I had to drag that thing up the stairs and then when I got it all powered up, the PQ was not what it should have been. I do believe that its colors were good, but that the overal PQ was way below what it should have been, if I were spending $2000-2500.00 on a TV.

I wish I could have bought an HM94, because the one I saw at Best Buy (46HM94) looked good, in comparrison to WD-52525.

I wish I could say that I was 100% pleased with the WD-52525 but its lack of having TVGOS is the one and only minus with me. I am not worried about glare, because my TV is in a room with 2 Windows and it faces away from the windows.

I wish I could show everyone what I saw when it comes to PQ for the WD-52527's.
It just had a nice picture. I got up close on the JVC ILA's and the Toshiba units and the RCA and LGE units as well. No one could beat the Sony and the Mitsubishi's PQ. THey had a Hi-def feed running to the sets

After months of lurking these forums, and many hours spent reading reviews of TV's my wife and I finally bought our first HDTV two days ago and it was the 52HM95.

The main choice was between this TV or the Sony KDF-E50A10 and ultimately, after viewing the tv's side by side in the store, the Toshiba won out. I tried not to let the features win that decision (2HDMI ports, 2 firewire ports), and we really took a long time deciding which picture was better to us, the salespeople where nice enough to hand us the remotes so we could play with the settings as well.

So far my mini review is that we love the TV, HDTV from my small indoor antenna looks amazing, it was hard to tear myself away form the US Open the other. DVD's that we've watched so far, some have faired better than others after running the THX optimizer, I'm just using a progressive scan dvd player at this time via component cables. The Last Samurai, the Incredibles, Band of Brothers, Lost...all look amazing. The xbox looks great, but I'm not through tweaking the settings there I know I can get better.

My biggest complaint so far is a minor one...the keypad on the remote lights up when you press a button, and it makes a very high pitched buzzing noise. At first I thought it was coming from the TV and how it responded to the remote and was about ready to pack the whole thing back up but it's strictly a remote noise and I may just find a way to disable the light and forget about it.

Anyway thanks to those on this forum for advice. I'll be sure to post a longer review after we get a lot more time to play around with it. (Alas, work is taking up my precious ne TV time)

My biggest complaint so far is a minor one...the keypad on the remote lights up when you press a button, and it makes a very high pitched buzzing noise. At first I thought it was coming from the TV and how it responded to the remote and was about ready to pack the whole thing back up but it's strictly a remote noise and I may just find a way to disable the light and forget about it.LOL, I had the same issue and even called Toshiba and they sent me a new one and accidentally a third one. Both of them made the noise and someone pointed out that all backlit remotes have it. I couldn't believe it as I have four RS 15-2117's which are JP1 programmable. Sure enough I checked them and they also make the noise, it's just not as loud and I never noticed it before. I use my RS remotes and the Toshiba ones sit unused on the shelf.

Well, I guess I feel like it is my duty to warn people about the 95 series. I feel dissappointed in that I had to drag that thing up the stairs and then when I got it all powered up, the PQ was not what it should have been. I do believe that its colors were good, but that the overal PQ was way below what it should have been, if I were spending $2000-2500.00 on a TV.

I wish I could have bought an HM94, because the one I saw at Best Buy (46HM94) looked good, in comparrison to WD-52525.

I wish I could say that I was 100% pleased with the WD-52525 but its lack of having TVGOS is the one and only minus with me. I am not worried about glare, because my TV is in a room with 2 Windows and it faces away from the windows.

I wish I could show everyone what I saw when it comes to PQ for the WD-52527's.
It just had a nice picture. I got up close on the JVC ILA's and the Toshiba units and the RCA and LGE units as well. No one could beat the Sony and the Mitsubishi's PQ. THey had a Hi-def feed running to the sets

I've lurked on this board for quite a while and have read just about everything on it. You guys do a great job. I"m just about to finally place my order for a 52HM95 but started researching the 56HM195. That's another topic and one that I have a ton of questions on. I think I better just pull the trigger and finally get in the game though!

Regardless, there's been a lot of discussion regarding the PQ of the 94s vs. 95s and the difference in the chips. According to the following article, the 95s use the HD4 chip which is NOT wobbulated. (Please see the Addendum and Comment section of the article)

http://www.ultimateavmag.com/news/052305toshiba/

Check it out and let me know what you think. I'd be interested in knowing exactly what everyone is seeing as the PQ difference if indeed the 95s are not using the wobbulated chip. :rolleyes:

On yet another note, I sure do wish the Tosh's had the speakers on the bottom! :D

[QUOTE=TheGrub]If the connected device is configures properly to send a 16:9 image, then the TV will be correctly proportioned. My guess is your device is configured for 4:3. ... My DVD player is set to 1080i because i find that PQ is a bit better then at 720p. I still get a nice 16:9 image at 720p and do not need any aspect ratio options at any of these resolutions. ...QUOTE]

Well, my questions are regarding my new LG 511, for widescreen it just sets for 16:9, without options and doesn't explain what it does with 4:3 material.

One movie I tested was 4:3, with the player at 16:9 and 720p. No zoom was provided by the Toshiba, but the movie looked kind of squashed, like when using FULL on 4:3 TV programs. At least that was my first impression.

Anyone knows what the 511 does with 4:3 material?

So what's the deal? Is the article wrong or am I interpreting it incorrectly?

I certainly don't want to beat a dead horse, but I do remember some of those threads. Did anyone get absolute confirmation on this from TI? It just seems strange to me that they would reduce the mirror density to attain the same resolution. I can understand doing so in the hm195 models as they packed more on the chip and use the wobbulation to really push the envelope.

Well, my questions are regarding my new LG 511, for widescreen it just sets for 16:9, without options and doesn't explain what it does with 4:3 material.

One movie I tested was 4:3, with the player at 16:9 and 720p. No zoom was provided by the Toshiba, but the movie looked kind of squashed, like when using FULL on 4:3 TV programs. At least that was my first impression.

Anyone knows what the 511 does with 4:3 material?

I responded in the LG 511 thread also, but I think I have the same TV (52HM84) as you, and I tried the same player. That was my experience as well that 4:3 material was stretched, and I think it's a problem with the 511. IIRC the only way I could get 4:3 right was to go to 480p, or maybe even change the TV type to 4:3. That wouldn't be so bad if you could change resolution via the remote. On top of that, I believe 16:9 material came through as 4:3 in 480p and I had to set the TV to "FULL" to get it right. My memory's a little fuzzy on the details, but I do remember the player was not very intelligent about it, and it was a bit disappointing for me.

I guess My S97 is spoiling me :D

Anyone knows what the 511 does with 4:3 material?

Ok, now i understand your question correctly.

And there is absolutly nothing you can do about it. My LG7832NXC does the exact same thing. 4:3 material will be stretched when set to 720p or 1080i.

It is one of the bad design of these LG upscaling dvd player

Hello All,
i have bought a 52HM94 and so far am very happy with the picture quality. I have a yamaha RX 657 upconverting all my outputs to component.
i tried hooking up the TV with my SA 8800 HD DVR using HDMI but as soon as motion happens the colors seems to go into retro. They flash. Has anyone had the same problem when hooking up hdmi?

Thanks

It would seem that the author of the article mis-stated how the HD4 works. It is not a 1280 x 720 mirror array like the HD2+, it is a 640 x 720 mirror array that produces a 1280 x 720 picture using the wobbulation process. The 1080p chip (xHD4) works the same way. This subject was actually beaten to death a few weeks ago when the 95 models first appeared.

I just got off the phone with both Toshiba and TI. TI gave me the rundown on the DLP chips:
HD2 ==> 1280x720
HD2+ ==> 1280x720 Dark Chip Technology
HD3 ==> 1280x720 Dark Chip Technology
xHD3 ==> 1920x1080 Dark Chip Technology

There is no such thing in TI's world called the HD4 or xHD4 and none with a mirror array of 640x720.

Toshiba confirmed that both the 94s and 95s use the HD2+ chip. I believe a post from TOENAIL mentioned this a while back.

The HD4 and xHD4 have been explained in detail in this forum. You got the answer you wanted to hear from Toshiba and TI. Not sure why you asked here though. Anyway, if you want to get a 95 under the belief that it has an HD2+ in it...go for it. However, close examination of the screen will reveal what is really in it.

Not really sure what that means "I got the answer I wanted to hear". Sorry if I rubbed you the wrong way. I'm trying to get a clear answer to this question and I don't believe it has been definitively answered. The folks at TI (2 different techs) provided the info regarding the DMD itself. Two seperate techs at Toshiba provided the info regarding what chip is used in the 94s and 95s.

I find it very interesting that the HD4 and xHD4 were "discussed in detail" when the folks at TI don't have a DMD named as such.

The HD4 and xHD4 have been explained in detail in this forum.

Maybe, but you have to wade through 5,000 messages to get the answer. Although this forum site certainly has the eye balls and SME's, finding an answer is extremely hard without asking the question again.

I was shocked when I came here and saw the huge multi thousand post threads. I've never seen that anywhere else.

Search helps, but we all know how effective search is sometimes. :cool:

Basically, the HD4 is the successor to the HD3, both of which produce a 1280 x 720p pixels image from a 640 x 720 arrary of mirrors using the wobbulation method, as opposed to the HD2(+) that used a full 1280 x 720 array or mirrors (i.e. one mirror = 1 pixel).
And the xHD4 is the 1080p version of the chip that produces a 1920 x 1080p pixels image from a 960 x 1080 arrary of mirrors using the wobbulation method
Both are nomenclatures that AVS Forum members have coined rather than Samsung, TI, etc.


I"m really interested in knowing where you're getting your information regarding the TI chips and their specs. Have you contacted TI? When I spoke to them, I specifically asked them about an HD4 and they said it may be a manufacturer reference, but it definitely wasn't a TI designation. I also asked them specifically regarding the mirror array and they said there are no DMDs with a 640x720 array.

I just got off the phone with both Toshiba and TI. TI gave me the rundown on the DLP chips:
HD2 ==> 1280x720
HD2+ ==> 1280x720 Dark Chip Technology
HD3 ==> 1280x720 Dark Chip Technology
xHD3 ==> 1920x1080 Dark Chip Technology

There is no such thing in TI's world called the HD4 or xHD4 and none with a mirror array of 640x720.

Toshiba confirmed that both the 94s and 95s use the HD2+ chip. I believe a post from TOENAIL mentioned this a while back.


Now you see why I was struggling to try to figure out why the HM95's picture was so bad. You have to understand that I saw the 46hm95 at local Peirats's store and the moment I saw it, the Analog cable was crappy and the HD content was just as bad. I had read up on it in this forum and read about the 46hm94 in reviews on other sites. I was insulted, shocked, amazed at how bad the PQ was. The salesman told me that they had just pulled it out of the box and that they sell at least 27 Toshibas a week between their 2 stores. I just could not believe it. I wanted to purchase a Service plan, later on down the road, so I left the store with a quote of $2000.00 for the 46hm95 and had determined in my mind to purchase it from Best Buy, because Best Buy would allow me to purchase a new service contract at a later date and time.

I travelled to best buy, and saw how good the 46hm94 was. It looked good. A lot better than the 46hm95. SO just by seeing that display (it was also on clearance) 46hm94, I reasoned to myself that "The bad set with horrible analog and horrible HD was just an anomally" and thus I bought myself a 52hm95. When I got the TV HOme I was soooo dissappointed that i was read y to just cry. I tried everything, to get rid of the graininess and the buddy clayness to the pixels, but nothing worked. Even when I grabbed the AVIA callibration DVD and used that, it still looked horrible.

When I went back to Best Buy, the 46hm94 which had been on display, of course was long gone...

I looked around and 2 or 3 TV's stood out at me as having really good PQ (No graininess, no smudging on the pixels). THose TV's were the 3 LCD Sony LCD RPTV, and the Mitsubish 52527 LCD RPTV and the Mitsubishi 52525 DLP RPTV. What stood out to me was the PQ from maybe 5 inches away from the TV screen which is where I would hold my nose... No graininess on neither of the three. You could see little Criss Cross lines on the 52527 (screen door effect), and you could see millions of little black dots surrounded by squares on the 52525, but no graininess, no smudges, no claylike look to either of them.... I was hooked right then and there. I brought the Toshiba in and got the last Mitsubishi set that there was. The only thing I miss now is my TV Guide ON Screen...

Now you see why I post in this forum. I have found a very good TV. For all of its features you can't beat the Toshiba Hm95 and Hm94 series TV's. But its PQ, at least in the 95 series is just not good at all.

And for Video sources, if anyone is wondering, I used both TV's BUILt-in Cable Card slot for hD and analog TV as well as mid quality component cables for the DVD video.

I asked the salesman if they had any 52HM94's and they checked their Online DB and there were none to be found.

IF anyone doubts me, I can take pictures of the screens close up and I will travel to my local Best Buy and take pictures of the Toshiba's screen close up, just to prove my point.

If I had it all to do over again, I would buy the hm94 or one of the HMX94's. But Football season is upon us, and I needed a TV, so I went ahead and bought the Mitsubishi. I wanted to wait and get the 46hm94 from Vanns for $1999 with the free AVIO harddrive and the free shipping, but I did not want to wait that long.

So it is not like I am against Toshiba, cuz I ain't....

Message was edited for corrections.

Is it safe to assume that we really don't know absolutely for sure what DMD is in the HM95s? If that's case, who can definitively settle this?

I've provided the info and now regret having tried to help. It sounds like you should make your decision based on what you heard directly from the manufacturer.

Myself and others in the forum determined which DMD is the HM95s, but you don't seem to believe me. If someone else said what they think would you believe them? Or would you disregard their input and tell them what Toshiba and TI told you? I'm not going to waste any more time trying to help you. Go look closely at one and decide for yourself.

Let me get this straight. You're asking me whether I would trust you vs. the manufacturer? No need to provide an answer.

I won't post on this again. However, I must say that your condescending attitude is consistent among your posts on other threads.

If anyone else has any info. I would be greatly interested in what you've found out.

I've provided the info and now regret having tried to help. It sounds like you should make your decision based on what you heard directly from the manufacturer.

Myself and others in the forum determined which DMD is the HM95s, but you don't seem to believe me. If someone else said what they think would you believe them? Or would you disregard their input and tell them what Toshiba and TI told you? I'm not going to waste any more time trying to help you. Go look closely at one and decide for yourself.

Let me get this straight. You're asking me whether I would trust you vs. the manufacturer? No need to provide an answer.

I won't post on this again. However, I must say that your condescending attitude is consistent among your posts on other threads.

If anyone else has any info. I would be greatly interested in what you've found out.

All, this is my first post to the forum. I have been researching TVs for the past month and the Toshiba 52HM's seem to have the most loyal following and appears to match my wants and needs. I have read through much of this thread, but I do have a couple observations and questions. Any help is greatly appreciated.

It seems that most favor the 94s over the 95s because of the HD2+ chip. Thus, my decision is now between the hm94 and the hmx94. However, in terms of PQ, does anybody have an opinion on whether the hmx series is any better than the hm? The one additional video feature it seems to have is the "TheaterFine™ HD," but I do not really understand what this does or if it enhances picture quality. The Toshiba wesbsite seems to suggest that it does, but I would love to get the forum's opinion. Are there any other big advantages that warrant the additional cash outlay? Can anybody comment from personal experience?

Many Thanks,
aduran

Let me get this straight. You're asking me whether I would trust you vs. the manufacturer? No need to provide an answer.

I won't post on this again. However, I must say that your condescending attitude is consistent among your posts on other threads.

If anyone else has any info. I would be greatly interested in what you've found out.

If you do a search on HD4 or wobbulated etc... in this forum, you will find alot of discussions about this. This info has been around for over a year in here.

Now, i personnaly saw the HD2+ advertisement on the web site and even on the box. Mistakes ?? i don't know. But one thing i can tell you for sure, is that the 85 and 95 series uses a wobbulated DMD and not a 1280x720 DMD !

I have a 52HM84 and the pixel strucutre is a grid of 1280x720 square pixels. The 85 and 95 series have a diamond shape structure ! This alone is enough to know that this is wobbulation techologie !

I remember something about the names of those chips. TI wanted to stop the manufacturers from telling what dmd was in each TV. so maybe now toshiba says it's HD2+. But is HD2+ for TI and HD2+ for toshiba the same ?

Anyway,
The 84/94 series = Square pixel structure
The 85/95 series = Diamond pixel structure

Same DMD ? Of course not !!!!

No offense but I don't see how a HD3/HD4 vs HD2+ could be responsible for the problems you mentioned with the 46hm95. It is true that these different chips produce slightly different types of picture but both are very good if set up correctly. Indeed, some people prefer the sharper picture from the HD2+ while others are very happy with the smoother picture from the HD3/HD4. It sounds like there was something else wrong with the 46hm95 that you had. Anyway, it sounds like you eventually found a good TV that suits your needs.


Well, I had the 52hm95...got it for $1997.00 out the door + tax.
Took it back and got the Mitsubishi unit, for the same amount. Was an older TV... better PQ, bad Glare, no TVGOS, but does have better card reader and PC\VGA...

Actually, yes, I knew that. Best Buy now sell thoses for $50.00.
The weird thing is that I love that "anti-glare" screen. I love the look it gives to the TV. I remember seeing the Hitachi HVS710 and 810's in the store with that black lacquer look and the Anti-Glare screens, and though "nice look".

For now, I have two windows on opposite ends of a 60x20 sqftroom, with 2 ceiling fans with lights. During the day, I keep the lights off. I get hardly any Glare.

all this talk about the hd4, hd3, hd2+ chips is making my eyes glaze over. :rolleyes: who gives a sh*t! just get the tv you think has the best picture..........gee, what a novel idea!

personally, i thought the toshiba 46hm95 i saw at best buy had a nice picture, wobulated chip or not. the possibility of this set having the "supposedly inferior" wobulation chip won't make an i-ota of difference on whether i decide on this tv or another.

can you say.....................................analysis leads to paralysis?

not siding with anyone here . just had to rant. thanks, i feel better now.:)

I responded in the LG 511 thread also, but I think I have the same TV (52HM84) as you, and I tried the same player. That was my experience as well that 4:3 material was stretched, and I think it's a problem with the 511. IIRC the only way I could get 4:3 right was to go to 480p, or maybe even change the TV type to 4:3. That wouldn't be so bad if you could change resolution via the remote. On top of that, I believe 16:9 material came through as 4:3 in 480p and I had to set the TV to "FULL" to get it right. My memory's a little fuzzy on the details, but I do remember the player was not very intelligent about it, and it was a bit disappointing for me.

I guess My S97 is spoiling me :D

I'll try to stay here now because I'm suspecting a possible compatibility problem, although you, Mathrandir, seem to be using your 511 with the Toshiba and everything's fine.

My S-Video and Component testing went fine, but when I connected in HDMI the image began flickering again and the player trying to reset the resolution. Now I have to include some other possibilities, since this is the second unit doing the same thing:

* HDMI cable * Player * TV HDMI input * Incompatibility

Tonight I'll be testing my cable and player in a friend's system; he has a Panny S97 with a JVC HDTV. If these are OK, then I'll have to check the Toshiba's HDMI input with the Panny. Although incompatibility is possible, I know it's unlikely...I hope it's only the cable and not my Tosh, it's been without problems since I bought it.

If the unit is defective I'll exchange it for a Panny S77, I've read a lot about it and seems to be very good for under $250, and the issues I'm having with this LG are too much for brand new equipment...it's not a good omen.

Has anyone experienced unusual image flicker with HDMI connected equipment? What was the cause and solutions?

Ok, I just bought the 62HM95 and the thing is flippin huge! The picture looks wonderful, but I'm still waiting on my cable card to be installed.

I have no other equipment (including wires) other than a nice DVD player, so what else should I get for optimal picture?

Should I fiddle with the picture settings and if so, is there a list of settings that generally increase the picture quality on all these units?

I'm obviously a newbie, so I don't want to screw things up with this bad boy, so any help would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks!

I am now convinced after having my 62HMX84 for 4 months that this TV is the best DLP out there. My dad just purchased the brand new Samsung DLP TV and there is no comparison. HD is stunning, cable is good, and DVD is great. There is no question that once HD is on more the 15 channels, you will definately want this TV.

I just had to post again. I love my freaking tv. Toshiba 52hm95. I am now watching the pats in HD and wow this tv is amazing. From red sox to Pats to celtics soon this tv will get alot of use

heya fellas, great to see so many of you enjoying this tv, i have a question if any1 care to help me out, i'm undecided between 2 tv's JVC HD-61Z886 or the Thoshiba 62HMX85 both at the same price, i realise this is a toshiba thread, so i'm mostly interested in what you have to say for this tv in regards to gaming and HTPC as that's my main point of purchase, also i looked on the toshiba website to find out more about this set and it's no where to be listed, wether it's the canada website or the usa website, none have the HMX85 only HMX84 any can tell me whats' teh diff.? also i've come across, a thread that said the HMX85 is HD3 chip while other sites have stated it to be HD2+ any1 can give me a clear answer? thx guys

In gernal, how loud has the fan noise been on the Toshiba DLP models? I know that Samsung is pretty quite, while Mitsubishi is pretty loud. Where does Toshiba fall in the mix?

I have a well insulated new home. It's very quiet in my living room with everything off and I can't even hear the fan. When you are watching the TV...not a problem at all. I've had my 52" for quite some time now....several months at least and have been very pleased with the Toshiba.

In gernal, how loud has the fan noise been on the Toshiba DLP models? I know that Samsung is pretty quite, while Mitsubishi is pretty loud. Where does Toshiba fall in the mix?

I've had my 52HM94 for about 3 weeks now and I totaly love it :D . I've had no problem with fan noise from this set. HD viewing is Outstanding, and after watching tonight's NE vs Oakland game, I'm SOOOOOO Happy I got this set in time for the football season!

Kharoff - The HMX series is the Cinema version and the 84 uses the HD2+ chip. This series has a black bezel, 2 HDMI inputs, better PQ filtering, and better sound. I looked at the JVC, Sony, Samsung comps and decided on the Toshiba. Really happy with the decision. PQ is outstanding on HD (looks 3D at times), excellent on DVD and very good on SD. The SD should go directly to the TV from your source and let the TV convert it to 720P.

Whatever set you get, plan on spending some some setting the PQ to your "Preferences" and even getting a calibration disk to really tweak the set.

If price is not an object, I'd wait until the 1080P units come out this month. They are all black, use the latest chip (H4), 150 watt bulb (versus 120), DEEP (deeper black) and should give an even sharper picture on the 62" screen.

Kharoff - The HMX series is the Cinema version and the 84 uses the HD2+ chip. This series has a black bezel, 2 HDMI inputs, better PQ filtering, and better sound. I looked at the JVC, Sony, Samsung comps and decided on the Toshiba. Really happy with the decision. PQ is outstanding on HD (looks 3D at times), excellent on DVD and very good on SD. The SD should go directly to the TV from your source and let the TV convert it to 720P.

Whatever set you get, plan on spending some some setting the PQ to your "Preferences" and even getting a calibration disk to really tweak the set.

If price is not an object, I'd wait until the 1080P units come out this month. They are all black, use the latest chip (H4), 150 watt bulb (versus 120), DEEP (deeper black) and should give an even sharper picture on the 62" screen.


DHadyk thx for the input, my budget can't hold 2G's more for the 1080p sets i'm really pushing it w/ 4000$ for this set or the JVC. I think I'm gonna go w/ the toshiba, there's just 2 things i'm worried about it's the lag experienced in games since i'll be using my tv for games 90% of the time and the rainbow effect ppl talk about w/ DLP TV's.

Also one last Q, is the 62HMX85 the same as the 62HMX84? because here i only have the 62HMX85 available which is not mentioned anywhere on the toshiba website. and from your description of the tv, 2hdmi's and black bezel the 62HMX85 has that also, so i'm wondering if it's just diff. labels for diff. regions? 84 for USA and 85 for Canada?

Karoff - I believe that 85 is the Canadian version of the 84. Look back through this thread for comments re: rainbow effects and game lag. I don't have a problem on my HMX84 set. Have you checked the internet for prices? A number of people have had good success with ordering them. I got mine locally at a special weekend sale and got even a better price than what I've found on the internet. Pays to shop local sales!

Also one last Q, is the 62HMX85 the same as the 62HMX84? because here i only have the 62HMX85 available which is not mentioned anywhere on the toshiba website. and from your description of the tv, 2hdmi's and black bezel the 62HMX85 has that also, so i'm wondering if it's just diff. labels for diff. regions? 84 for USA and 85 for Canada?

The last digit is the year for the particular model

84 = 2004
85 = 2005

84 has HD2+
85 had HD4

The Toshiba DLP has been known to be one of the best DLP for gaming because their is absolutly no lag when feeding the TV with 480p and higher.

I have a 52HM84 and love it. PQ on the 85 seems realy nice too. I would definitly go with the tosh DLP instead of the JVC d-ila

Model, Chip, & Recommended Retail in US $ - Breakdown Per Toshiba:

"720p models Advanced HD3 chip"

TheaterWide
44HM85 $2499.
52HM85 $3199.
62HM85 $3799.

Cinema Series
46HMX85 $2799.
52HMX85 $3399.
62HMX85 $3999.

"1080p models XHD4 chip"

56HM195 $4999.
62MX195 $5999.
72MX195 $6999.

Toshiba Intros A/V Line in New Mexico

the price of the toshiba that i found so far is 4K$ CDN he said he'll drop to 3750$, so i guess that's a good price, now i'm leaning more toward the toshiba. you guys mentione the chip of the hmx85 is now HD3, should i try and find an HMX84 so that i can get the HD2+ (i read that the HD2+ is the best) or is the HD3 fine?

I would not go out of my way to absolutly find a 84. They are pretty hard to find in the montreal area anyway. All stores like future shop has the 85 now.

To me, the PQ on the 85 is a bit softer than on the 84, but the colors, brightness and motion is better on the 85 than on the 84.

In the end, it's what looks nice to you and not only the specs that counts.

When I talked to Toshiba last week, they don't even know when they'll get them. Did they give you a time frame? I've been waiting for the 62 ince last month, and this wait is bugging me. I was told by my dealer that now it's going to be the end of September early October. What's the delay? Anybody knows?




Model, Chip, & Recommended Retail in US $ - Breakdown Per Toshiba:

"720p models Advanced HD3 chip"

TheaterWide
44HM85 $2499.
52HM85 $3199.
62HM85 $3799.

Cinema Series
46HMX85 $2799.
52HMX85 $3399.
62HMX85 $3999.

"1080p models XHD4 chip"

56HM195 $4999.
62MX195 $5999.
72MX195 $6999.

Toshiba Intros A/V Line in New Mexico

TheGrub you mentioned your friend has a store in mtl what's the store called? maybe i can buy from him.

LG LDA-511 update:

I tested the unit and HDMI cable with a friend's Pannasonic S97 and JVC HDTV, and although both worked fine, there were some black specs flashing here and there, particularly on flesh areas of the image. This didn't happen with the Panny.

I took the Panny home to test on the Toshiba's HDMI with my cable and everything went great. Conclussion: 2 possibilities - Either I got 2 lemmon units or there is a genuine HDMI compatibility bug between the LDA-511 and the Toshiba TV. And since this happened with another Toshiba owner, I suspect a compatibility issue.

So, I'm already on the process of exchanging it for a Panasonic S77S; it's a bit more expensive, but its a sure shot.

If price is not an object, I'd wait until the 1080P units come out this month. They are all black, use the latest chip (H4), 150 watt bulb (versus 120), DEEP (deeper black) and should give an even sharper picture on the 62" screen.
The pictures I've found of the 720p 62HMX95 show it to be all black and the specs say it has the 150 watt bulb. So you don't have to go 1080p to get those features.

I'm thinking the 62HMX95 might be the sweet spot since the 1080p's should be exerting downward pressure on the 720p prices. I am really having a hard time waiting for the HMX95 to hit the streets so I can actually see one.

And the longer it takes, the more I think about upping the ante and going with the Sony SXRD...

TheGrub you mentioned your friend has a store in mtl what's the store called? maybe i can buy from him.

Well, after being in business for 20 years, he decided to close down his store....

It was a sonXplus in Ste-Therese, north of montreal.

My last post fell through the cracks. Here is the issue:

My decision is now between the hm94 and the hmx94. However, in terms of PQ, does anybody have an opinion on whether the hmx series is any better than the hm? The one additional video feature it seems to have is the "TheaterFine™ HD," but I do not really understand what this does or if it enhances picture quality. The Toshiba wesbsite seems to suggest that it does, but I would love to get the forum's opinion. Are there any other big advantages that warrant the additional cash outlay? Can anybody comment from personal experience?

Many Thanks,
aduran

My last post fell through the cracks. Here is the issue:

My decision is now between the hm94 and the hmx94. However, in terms of PQ, does anybody have an opinion on whether the hmx series is any better than the hm? Both sets have the same HD2+ chip so PQ should be identical. The main differences between the two are the second HDMI input and black bezel on the HMX. If you don't need the second HDMI I would suggest the HM.

any saw the JVC HD-61ZX86 and the Toshiba 62HMX85 and can tell me what are the noticeable plus minus for either/both?

i've read a lot on both owners threads, but i just can't make up my mind, the thing is that i already bought the JVC had it for 2/3 weeks, i still have about 1 week to decide if i want ot keep or exchange, right now i'm thinking of an exchange for 2 reasons.

A) i seem to have a case of Chromatic Aberration (if that's how it's called, if memory serves right) on the right side of the screen, and now that i've seen it, i can't seem to "not see" it anymore. only noticeable on white backgrounds and

B) on the bottom right of the screen, i seem to have noticed the past couple of days a yellowish tint on about 7" by 7" on the bottom right, i was reading some post and ppl said that the light engine needs replacement, i've only had this set for 3 weeks and i already got 2 issues, could've been just a bad case, but PQ is very nice on it, but i feel like i'm lost and confused... ARRGHHH....any advice is greatly apreciated.

On the other hand w/ the toshiba, ppl haven't noticed rainbow effect, ppl say there's no lag, and PQ is also very nice, i haven't really heeard any1 complain much about the toshiba, but the piss off is that it has no VGA and Toshiba doens't recommend using HDMI for HTPC (wondering why?).

My jvc has issues w/ ATI Cards an DVI 2 HDMI, after reading this thread, the toshiba doesn't seem to share that problem. so more and more i'm leaning toward the toshiba, just wondering if it's wise or should i just get the light engine replaced on my jvc and live w/ it....

Get the Toshiba. In my opinion it's got it all over the JVC in PQ.

As far as computer input, other people in the thread have hooked up their computers without too much effort or problems. They had to figure out how to get rid of the overscan and there are several specific alternatives. Search this thread and the other threads for the Toshiba.

Myself, I have no need for a VGA port, as HDMI to DVI offers a better picture. Extremely nice to have more than one HDMI port due to this reason alone. Video card choice is a big factor. I have been an avid ATI user in the past, and I will "never" use ATI again. The newest nVidia drivers are like the answer to most HTPC users prayers, with what I consider to be near "perfect" support for HD displays.

I decided to try out the 52HM95, after 3 panasonic LCD's which did not impress me at all. I took my chance on the DLP rainbow issues not being as big of a concern as streaking, gray blacks, and SDE were on the LCD's. I do see some rainbows, but I would have to be vomiting continuouly before I would accept the LCD issues as a way of life. :)

My only concern with the 52HM95 I have now is noise in darker regions. This occurs in both HD and fixed images. Although it appears to resemble static "snow" from a bad signal, it is not a reception issue, as it is even apparent in the TV Guide if you look close up at the dark areas. Even the dark areas of this forum have this issue, and that is with an HDMI to DVI connection at 1280 X 720p 60Hz. I believe it may be related to the wombulation of the chip, but then I am not a board level electronics guru. :)
It would be nice to know if this is just a limitation of the technology, or if I have a lemon on my hands. It is very obvious if you are within about 8 inches from screen.
Has anyone else observed this with the HM95's?

So I am thinking about buying one of these 2 Toshiba TV's (I can't afford the upcoming 1080p models):

Toshiba 62HMX85 [1280 X 720 native resolution]
Toshiba 62HMX95 [1280 X 720 native resolution]

I have 2 major questions regarding these models:

1)
Is it possible to connect to the screens native resolution through the HDMI connector (using a DVI-to-HDMI connector on my HTPC)?

2)
If you can't do question A, is it possible to connect my HTPC to one of those 2 TV's through the component video connector at a high quality 16:9 resolution?

I want to connect my HTPC to the TV and use it as a "media centre" type PC.
I have an ATI AllinWonder x800 XT video card with a DVI out, VGA out, and component video out video connector.
I want to be able to browse the internet on the TV (e.g. text needs to be clear) although the main usage of the HTPC will be to:
a) display upconverted (and region free) DVD video
b) play computer games like Half Life 2
c) display JPG files and power point presentations
d) play Divx movies, Windows Media 9 movies, and other movie types.

Anyone have success (e.g. a very clear picture) with doing this with any of the 2 Toshiba models listed above?

Thanks.

So I am thinking about buying one of these 2 Toshiba TV's (I can't afford the upcoming 1080p models):

Toshiba 62HMX85 [1280 X 720 native resolution]
Toshiba 62HMX95 [1280 X 720 native resolution]

I have 2 major questions regarding these models:

1)
Is it possible to connect to the screens native resolution through the HDMI connector (using a DVI-to-HDMI connector on my HTPC)?

2)
If you can't do question A, is it possible to connect my HTPC to one of those 2 TV's through the component video connector at a high quality 16:9 resolution?
.If you go with the 62HMX95 you have PC input (15-pin d-sub VGA) . ;)

Samsung is giving me a refund on my HLR6167w because of the video game delay. I am looking at getting a Toshiba DLP.
A friend of mine just had his Samsung HLR calibrated today and I copied his service menu settings to mine and it improved the picture a lot. It looks very nice now. I heard somewhere that the Toshiba DLPs do not have many options in the service menu to calibrate. Is this true? If it is can a Toshiba DLP be calibrated to looks as good as my Samsung does now?

Model, Chip, & Recommended Retail in US $ - Breakdown Per Toshiba:

"720p models Advanced HD3 chip"

TheaterWide
44HM85 $2499.
52HM85 $3199.
62HM85 $3799.

Cinema Series
46HMX85 $2799.
52HMX85 $3399.
62HMX85 $3999.

"1080p models XHD4 chip"

56HM195 $4999.
62MX195 $5999.
72MX195 $6999.

Toshiba Intros A/V Line in New Mexico



I called toshiba to get a straight answer as to the type of chip the 62HMX85 uses as there seems to be alot of confusion and discussion about it, and the rep told me that it's a HD4 chip.

OMG I am loving my tv even more now! I just used DVE for the first time and I love it even more, I finally got my dvds to the setting I want it to. I highly recommend it

So I am thinking about buying one of these 2 Toshiba TV's (I can't afford the upcoming 1080p models):

Toshiba 62HMX85 [1280 X 720 native resolution]
Toshiba 62HMX95 [1280 X 720 native resolution]

I have 2 major questions regarding these models:

1)
Is it possible to connect to the screens native resolution through the HDMI connector (using a DVI-to-HDMI connector on my HTPC)?

2)
If you can't do question A, is it possible to connect my HTPC to one of those 2 TV's through the component video connector at a high quality 16:9 resolution?

I want to connect my HTPC to the TV and use it as a "media centre" type PC.
I have an ATI AllinWonder x800 XT video card with a DVI out, VGA out, and component video out video connector.
I want to be able to browse the internet on the TV (e.g. text needs to be clear) although the main usage of the HTPC will be to:
a) display upconverted (and region free) DVD video
b) play computer games like Half Life 2
c) display JPG files and power point presentations
d) play Divx movies, Windows Media 9 movies, and other movie types.

Anyone have success (e.g. a very clear picture) with doing this with any of the 2 Toshiba models listed above?

Thanks.

Of course you can, I am typing this on an HM95 right now. The HDMI to DVI connection is by far the best for overall image quality, second choice would be component, and then VGA. That is why VGA ports are not a real big deal, while having more than one HDMI port on your set IS important.

It is the drivers for the video card that distinquish how well the first two connection methods are going to work for you: Overscan is a bugger to compensate for with the ATI cards, whereas its a simple check box for the new nVidia drivers (no need to even run powerstrip). It's all about achieving 1:1 pixel control (1280 X 720), and some displays VGA ports are not capable of this, as they are limited to standard VGA and XGA resolutions (1024 X 768 max). DVI and component from a newer video card are both perfectly capable of HD resolutions, even 1080p!
I can pretty much assure you that once you have an HTPC hooked up at 720p, 1080i, or 1080p, you will find many more uses for it. I really enjoy having the abilty to stream news media video from CBS.com to a big screen, commercial free video news on demand is the only way to go.
You have not lived until you have played Half Life 2 or Battlefield 2 at 720p on a large wide screen HD display, the results are quite spectacular. :)

Does anybody have Toshiba's digital video recorder (or one they would recommend it)? I understand that you must have a Toshiba to use this. I suppose this is because it relies on the TGOS feature. If this is the case and you are using a digital cable box instead of a cable card, does it make sense to purchase this unit? If not, does anybody recommend another particular DVR that would hook up to the digital cable box?

Thanks,
Alex

I tend to think that the DVR offered by the cable company might be a better deal, I think mine is like an extra $10/mo from concast (15 hrs of HD recording). At that rate, an external box would be obsolete by the time you had it paid off. :)

If you go with the 62HMX95 you have PC input (15-pin d-sub VGA) . ;)

Apparently, the VGA/PC Input on the 52" and 62" HMX95's only supports an SVGA resolution of 1024 X768 (which is a 4:3 resolution) which isn't much help.

If the VGA connection offered a 1280 X 720 or similar 16:9 resolution then it would be good... provided someone has actualy tried connecting it this way and has verified that the quality looks good for those wanting to use it in "media-centre" type applications...

Thats what I was trying to explain, you simply use DVI or component rather than VGA and obtain a "perfect" result, so what real use is the VGA port? Just to be fair, some sets do support HD resolutions over VGA, others do not. This kind of stuff should really be posted in the HTPC section of the forum (its really old news to just about anyone involved in HTPC), and it has little to do with the topic of this thread.

Of course you can, I am typing this on an HM95 right now. The HDMI to DVI connection is by far the best for overall image quality, second choice would be component, and then VGA. That is why VGA ports are not a real big deal, while having more than one HDMI port on your set IS important.

It is the drivers for the video card that distinquish how well the first two connection methods are going to work for you: Overscan is a bugger to compensate for with the ATI cards, whereas its a simple check box for the new nVidia drivers (no need to even run powerstrip). It's all about achieving 1:1 pixel control (1280 X 720), and some displays VGA ports are not capable of this, as they are limited to standard VGA and XGA resolutions (1024 X 768 max). DVI and component from a newer video card are both perfectly capable of HD resolutions, even 1080p!
I can pretty much assure you that once you have an HTPC hooked up at 720p, 1080i, or 1080p, you will find many more uses for it. I really enjoy having the abilty to stream news media video from CBS.com to a big screen, commercial free video news on demand is the only way to go.
You have not lived until you have played Half Life 2 or Battlefield 2 at 720p on a large wide screen HD display, the results are quite spectacular. :)

I wish you had not mentioend HL2 or BF2 because they are the only pc games I have right now (and I do have a THX-certified 5.1 speaker system with my home theatre setup right now but my pc isn't there ...yet).

So you are doing it on the HM95? I was thinking about getting the HMX95 for the 2 HDMI ports (I am not upgrading my receiver any time soon but I have a dual-tuner HD cable PVR with a DVI port) but I am SHOCKED to say you've gotten your PC to work with it through the HDMI connection (using a DVI to HDMI convertor).
Didn't think it was possible ... so you ARE connected at 1280 X 720 (e.g. the screens native resolution)?
From the (now 7 hours) of reading on this forum I've read that most screens won't connect through their HDMI ports to a DVI port on a PC at their native resolution (in fact, most people suggest it wouldn't work at all with most screens).

So you said you are writing the message right now on that screen, which means it is clear enough for text and video at the same time. You are EXACTLY the person I want to talk to.

Did you get your screen calibrated through ISF?

Any other comments in regards to hooking up the screen for HTPC use? Please, share with us all your pros and cons, I've been waiting for someone who has the screen I want to buy and HTPC experience to tell us what they think!

Hooking up a HTPC to a screen that can handle it at 720p is my dream:
-upconverted (region free) DVD movies and divx, wm9 videos
-web browsing on a 2nd screen (since my main pc in my room is my first choice)
-jpg's and power point presentations
-online gaming

Well I was trying to decide between the Toshiba HMX95's and the new Sony LCD 60a20 and my decision had been made. Thanks!

JC

The text qualty is better than anything I have ever seen, like a huge laptop LCD display, only better. JPEG Images are displayed with all the resolution you would find if you used a memory card in your TV, thus making the memory cards slots much less valuable, as you have hard drive space for it now, and anyone can appreaciate the difference there. I have a 1 tetrabyte drive array, thats a lot of pictures. :)

I have not used a normal PC display for ages, do not even have one connected at the time. The split screen (actually called POP) on the HM/HMX 95 is real cool, can watch TV in a box while you are browsing the internet or whatnot.
Have pretty much always had an on screen TV Guide (www.tvguide.com), so not a real exciting new feature there.

I've been reading this forum for quite some time while I pondered which TV I was going to buy. I want to thank everyone for all of the useful information I've obtained which made my decision to go with Toshiba that much easier. I've ordered the 46HM95 online for a very good price and will use the Avia disc for calibration. Please keep the tips coming as I can use all the information I can get.

By the way, if anyone is looking for a really great buy on the 52HM84 take a look at the Fry's ad in today's paper. It's unbelievable.

Also, when it comes to warranties, take a good look at your Visa Card. If you have a Platinum Card, you can purchase a 5 year extended warranty that mirrors the factory warranty for a great price.

Again, thanks for all the help

Was the extended warranty through Fry's or the credit card? Does it include the bulb?

Khar00f; You got a 'bad' one. Most of the newer sets are fine. Exchange it for another.
As far as Toshiba, when I put my B&K HD signal generator on them (more than one) looking at a grey scale pattern I found high amounts of 'noise' at the lower grey levels. It seems Toshiba is amping the crap out of the input somewhere as I also see vertical lines that have a wavy pattern to them. The same pattern I have seen with material that has excessively high levels!
I can't condsier that acceptable as I haven't seen any of that on any other set I demoed!

This may be the wrong place to post this question and if so please tell me where to go.

Has anyone seen the new Toshiba 72MX195? At a price of under 6k it appears to be very interesting. Does anyone know if it will accept 1080p?

DHadyk

The warranty I'm talking about comes from Visa, but you need to have a Platinum Card to get it. I was quoted a figure under two big ones on a 5 year warranty for a purchase under 2K. They said the warranty "mirrors" the mfg warranty and since Toshiba covers the bulb in their warranty I expect the same. When my TV arrives I'm going to contact Visa and I'll confirm bulb coverage at that time.

One thing, to get the warranty (besides having a Platinum Card) you have to charge the "full" purchase to the card.

I've had my 52HM94 for about 3 weeks now and I totaly love it :D . I've had no problem with fan noise from this set. HD viewing is Outstanding, and after watching tonight's NE vs Oakland game, I'm SOOOOOO Happy I got this set in time for the football season!

Does anyone know if the sets with the built in tuner have a fan that runs 24/7 like the Mitsubishi? If they do, how noticable is it?

Samsung is giving me a refund on my HLR6167w because of the video game delay. I am looking at getting a Toshiba DLP.
A friend of mine just had his Samsung HLR calibrated today and I copied his service menu settings to mine and it improved the picture a lot. It looks very nice now. I heard somewhere that the Toshiba DLPs do not have many options in the service menu to calibrate. Is this true? If it is can a Toshiba DLP be calibrated to looks as good as my Samsung does now?

Khar00f; You got a 'bad' one. Most of the newer sets are fine. Exchange it for another.
As far as Toshiba, when I put my B&K HD signal generator on them (more than one) looking at a grey scale pattern I found high amounts of 'noise' at the lower grey levels. It seems Toshiba is amping the crap out of the input somewhere as I also see vertical lines that have a wavy pattern to them. The same pattern I have seen with material that has excessively high levels!
I can't condsier that acceptable as I haven't seen any of that on any other set I demoed!

I can verify the waves in the vertical test pattern that I have avilable, here is an attempt at a jpg equivlent of said test pattern so that others can verify this themselves:

Vertical Test Image (http://cable_comcast.home.comcast.net/vertsync.JPG)

I should note that the panasonic PT-52LCX65 (I tried it out before this HM95) displayed this particular test pattern perfectly (it had plenty of other issues though (tilted, color purity, etc.). Just good to mention since this did give me some idea of what is bad and what is good as far as this pattern goes. :)
I attempted to watch The Ring 2 last night and the dark level noise was "quite" evident there as well (some scenes were nearly unwatchable). This from a Norcent DP-501M upconverting DVD player that typically delivers "near" perfect display quality. Anyway, this dark noise issue is not a feature that impresses me at all, so I may give Toshiba a call : The build quality, 40 watt sound system, and near perfect display from PC make it worth attempting a fix rather than an exchange.

well i haven't noticed any wave or noise effect on my currect JVC (using it as a pc monitor as we speak). so i guess that's good, but do all the toshiba's including the HMX series have that noice/waving issue? since i'm only interested in the 62HMX85 it's the only one that's really of concern to me and does the chip used make a diff. i know the set i'm looking into is said to have the HD4 chip.

I have the 52hm95. When watching HD through Charter cable the picture is very dark. I can't improve through the picture settings. Watching the same HD broadcast with my antenna, the picture is perfect. I'm using the component hookup. Is there something I can adjust on the TV or is the problem with Charter?

well i haven't noticed any wave or noise effect on my currect JVC (using it as a pc monitor as we speak). so i guess that's good, but do all the toshiba's including the HMX series have that noice/waving issue? since i'm only interested in the 62HMX85 it's the only one that's really of concern to me and does the chip used make a diff. i know the set i'm looking into is said to have the HD4 chip.


You can test for the vertical banding (wave) using the link to the jpg file in my post above. Under ideal conditions, the jpg should have a "very" uniform appearance, no difference in shading across the image. Weather all the 85/95 series (i.e. 2005 models) have the issue is something that still needs to be determined, and at least with the wave issue, a mouse click on the link above should reveal if the issue is present or not. I believe the general consensus is that all 2005 Toshiba 720p DLP's use the same HD4 wombulated chip.

I have the 52hm95. When watching HD through Charter cable the picture is very dark. I can't improve through the picture settings. Watching the same HD broadcast with my antenna, the picture is perfect. I'm using the component hookup. Is there something I can adjust on the TV or is the problem with Charter?

Likely just a Charter STB issue... my Comcast Motorolla STB does not display any problems that I have observed when hooked up via component.

The text qualty is better than anything I have ever seen, like a huge laptop LCD display, only better. JPEG Images are displayed with all the resolution you would find if you used a memory card in your TV, thus making the memory cards slots much less valuable, as you have hard drive space for it now, and anyone can appreaciate the difference there. I have a 1 tetrabyte drive array, thats a lot of pictures. :)

I have not used a normal PC display for ages, do not even have one connected at the time. The split screen (actually called POP) on the HM/HMX 95 is real cool, can watch TV in a box while you are browsing the internet or whatnot.
Have pretty much always had an on screen TV Guide (www.tvguide.com), so not a real exciting new feature there.

That's great news Mechanic, that is just what us HTPC guys wanted to here!

The POP (twinview) feature is another reason why I passed on this years non-SXRD sony lcd projections...

I'll try to find out what the Canadian 62HMX85 differs from the 62HM95 just in case I can't get a 62HMX95 up here (since I really need 2 HDMI ports) and if they are the same I may just have to get the 62HMX85...

But one last question for HMX95/HMX85 owners out there, is the consensus that this thing isn't worth ICSF calibrating because it doesn't have a lot of options in the service menu to be manipulated?

Quick question --

When I connect my 52HMX84 to my Toshiba upconverting DVD player via component "Colorstream" connection, the picture is almost exclusively red. What is going on?? Any help is appreciated.


Thanks!

You usually have to change a setting on upconvert DVD players in addition to hooking up the cables so that it outputs the correct signal to the set.
I know on mine there several settings, some of which (like PAL) produce some pretty scary results over the component cables. :)
Look for a choice of 720p somewhere in your DVD players menus. My Norcent has a separate button on the remote labeled P-SCAN that selects the output format. A very important button as it turns out, as I can toggle between 1080i and 720p with it to determine which resolution suits me best.

Quick question --

When I connect my 52HMX84 to my Toshiba upconverting DVD player via component "Colorstream" connection, the picture is almost exclusively red. What is going on?? Any help is appreciated.


Thanks!Sounds like one of your component connections is not seated properly.

You usually have to change a setting on upconvert DVD players in addition to hooking up the cables so that it outputs the correct signal to the set.
I know on mine there several settings, some of which (like PAL) produce some pretty scary results over the component cables. :)
Look for a choice of 720p somewhere in your DVD players menus. My Norcent has a separate button on the remote labeled P-SCAN that selects the output format. A very important button as it turns out, as I can toggle between 1080i and 720p with it to determine which resolution suits me best.


Turns out there's a setting on the DVD player that allows you to toggle between Composite and Component output...i had it set to Composite ;)

Its ok though -- my HDMI cable is coming this week yaaaaaaaaaaaaay

Does anyone know if the sets with the built in tuner have a fan that runs 24/7 like the Mitsubishi? If they do, how noticable is it?

I have not noticed the fan on my 52HM94 going 7/24. When turning off the set, if you have the "Quick Restart" feature turned ON, the lamp dims to just about off and the fans continue to run for about five minutes before the lamp goes completely out. I've not heard the fan going beyond the point that lamp goes completely out.

The manual notes that using the Quick Restart feature as opposed to turning the set on and off without the feature as potentially helping to extend the life of the lamp.

Does anyone know if the sets with the built in tuner have a fan that runs 24/7 like the Mitsubishi? If they do, how noticable is it?

They have several fans, one of which is constant. It is wisper quiet. Do a search of this thread and you'll find posts from way back explaining the number of fans and their functions.

The bulb on my 52HM84 just blew out after only 2 1/2 months. Toshiba is sending me a new one. Any idea how quick their turnaround time is?

Regarding bulbs, I contacted Toshiba and then their suppliers regarding the cost for one of the new 150 watt bulbs for a 46HM95 but nobody had any idea? Does anyone know the cost for one of these bulbs?

One other question if anyone else knows the answer?

1)
Anyone know the difference between 62HMX95 and 62HMX85.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I can only find the HMX85 here in Vancouver but I was originally looking at the HMX95.

As far as I can tell, the only differences between the two are that the HMX85 lacks:

-ATSC/QAM tuner
-TheaterNet and IEEE 1394 ports
-new THINC Ethernet Port
-Cable Card Slot
-POP with splitscreen and 12 MultiWindows
-PC Input (15pin Dsub) [Note, better to connect through HDMI anyways]
-OmniViewer flash memory card slot

Although I'd prefer to have the above features, I can live without them IF the 2 TV's are the same quality in terms of
-picture and the customizability of the picture
-sound from speakers.

Can anyone verify if there are any picture or sound differences between the 2 models?

Thanks.

JC

I could be mistaken, but I believe that Canadian models use the 85 rather than 95 in their designation. In this case the HMX85 would be identical to the HMX95.

The real question is if you can live with the dark level noise issue I have been describing, if it is even evident in all of the 85/95 models. 98% of my HM95 usage is as a computer monitor, so it's not nearly as much of an issue for me as it would be for the more typical owner. It makes for an amazing computer display, but I really doubt that HD and DVD playback would be acceptable to most folks with all the noise that is apparent. Perhaps I just notice it more since I sit closer to the display then a normal viewer would.

I could be mistaken, but I believe that Canadian models use the 85 rather than 95 in their designation. In this case the HMX85 would be identical to the HMX95.

The real question is if you can live with the dark level noise issue I have been describing, if it is even evident in all of the 85/95 models. 98% of my HM95 usage is as a computer monitor, so it's not nearly as much of an issue for me as it would be for the more typical owner. It makes for an amazing computer display, but I really doubt that HD and DVD playback would be acceptable to most folks with all the noise that is apparent.

Nope they don't offer at least those things I listed above, and perhaps more.

I saw the HMX85 (52" and 62") in person and ran my DVD's off of it and didn't have a problem with the black noise since the colors looked so good (as did the sharpness)...

Wow, if I were to remove all of the items you listed from my HM95 it would leave like just a screen and speakers.. Are you SURE this is the case?

The HM95 that I have here now has the 40w audio system, and it is it quite acceptable all by itself. I hooked the audio out to my dolby surround sound amp, with just some Bose towers attached to the rear speaker out on it. Sounds pretty amazing actually.
I am probably one of the few that actually enjoys the additional separation from having the speakers on the sides.

Wow, if I were to remove all of the items you listed from my HM95 it would leave like just a screen and speakers.. Are you SURE this is the case?

Actually when you take those features away it makes it seem like a 62HM85, which is basically what the 62HMX85 is aside from having an extra HDMI port, and some other goodies.

http://www.toshiba.ca/web/product.grp?lg=en&section=2&group=6&product=4772&category=

The 62HMX95, which is designed for the US market I believe, added a few additional features over the 62HMX85 like ATSC tuner, 1394 ports, CableCard slot (makes sense since Canadian market isn't close to accepting this) but the other features differences I am trying to verify... so again, anyone know for fact what is the difference between 62HMX95 and the 62HMX85 (Which I believe is designed for Canadian market...).
The main feature (aside from HD picture quality) I am buying the Tosh is for the great PC connectivity (At a 1:1 pixel rate) as mechanic alluded to.

Thanks

JC

Regarding bulbs, I contacted Toshiba and then their suppliers regarding the cost for one of the new 150 watt bulbs for a 46HM95 but nobody had any idea? Does anyone know the cost for one of these bulbs?

The cheapest I've seen is around $230.

Regarding my problem, the good news is that Toshiba contacted me to let me know that they'll be FedExing me a new bulb. The bad news is that they don't have any in stock so I have to wait until they get them in......... :(

Hello,

I couldn't really find a forum to ask my question, and it seems like a silly one. I'm going to be buying the 62HM95 model, but I have to transport it home myself. The only easy way for me to do it is to lay the package down on it's back in the SUV.

Does anyone know if there is a reason why you couldn't lay it down on it's back? I know it's not a refridgerator or anything, but for the life of me I can't find any info as to why this would be a bad idea and i'd obviously not want to risk it if there's a problem doing this. The box doesn't have any 'This side up' or 'don't lay flat' warnings...

Could anyone answer this for me?

The cheapest I've seen is around $230.

Regarding my problem, the good news is that Toshiba contacted me to let me know that they'll be FedExing me a new bulb. The bad news is that they don't have any in stock so I have to wait until they get them in......... :(

You may have to wait for a while. My bulb died just after one year of use. It was covered under BB's extended warranty. I have been waiting for over a month for a new bulb. I get daily emails saying they have not received it from Toshiba. They even gave me a number to call Toshiba directly to check on stock. I have yet to get a firm date to when they will have these bulbs in stock. I have been pleased with this TV before the bulb went out, and this doesn't change my opinion of the TV. But imo Toshiba screwed up by not stocking a sufficient number of replacement bulbs, when that is exactly the part most likely to need replacement.

Is there a projected date for when the 62HMX95 is supposed to hit the streets?

You may have to wait for a while. My bulb died just after one year of use. It was covered under BB's extended warranty. I have been waiting for over a month for a new bulb. I get daily emails saying they have not received it from Toshiba. They even gave me a number to call Toshiba directly to check on stock. I have yet to get a firm date to when they will have these bulbs in stock. I have been pleased with this TV before the bulb went out, and this doesn't change my opinion of the TV. But imo Toshiba screwed up by not stocking a sufficient number of replacement bulbs, when that is exactly the part most likely to need replacement.

I'll keep my fingers crossed, hoping that my bulb doesn't go out until they have them in stock.

Sorry to hear about your long wait, that's rubbish! You would think that they would have it in stock since it's the most likely part to fail. I have wondered how hard it would be to get a bulb, especially since the went to a different one with the new models.

Has anyone read or seen anything about the new Toshiba 62MX195 1080P set. They have pictures up on Crutchfields website. Here is the link.

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-wu4U0QAO8fL/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?g=147350&I=05262MX195

I really like the look of it but just curious how it performs.

I put in my order for the 46HM95 to replace my 42A10. It will be deilvered tomorrow.

I am very excited to do a comparison.

I put in my order for the 46HM95 to replace my 42A10. It will be deilvered tomorrow.

I am very excited to do a comparison.

Please let us know what you think of the new Toshiba. I considered the 50A10 but after viewing both sets extensively and considering the two HDMI on the Toshiba I went with the 46HM95 also. My set is suppose to be delivered on Friday and I'm excited see how it performs.

A local b&m is getting the 73" in stock on the 20th! im in for 1!

Rick471
I no what a bm is but what is b&m? Also tos is coming out with a 72" What model are u referring to?

Rick471
I no what a bm is but what is b&m? Also tos is coming out with a 72" What model are u referring to?


b&m = brick and mortar store

I have the 52hm95. When watching HD through Charter cable the picture is very dark. I can't improve through the picture settings. Watching the same HD broadcast with my antenna, the picture is perfect. I'm using the component hookup. Is there something I can adjust on the TV or is the problem with Charter?

If you have the lamp on low power how about switching it to high.

Anyone have any experience with Xbox lag issues and the new 195's? What about things like the ESPN 720p games? This would be over component inputs (I will never go back to composite, even my GC has component inputs). The game lag has been such a hot topic amongst the new Samsungs, which is a huge turn off.

Keith

my bad! meant 72 :)

Anyone have any experience with Xbox lag issues and the new 195's? What about things like the ESPN 720p games? This would be over component inputs (I will never go back to composite, even my GC has component inputs). The game lag has been such a hot topic amongst the new Samsungs, which is a huge turn off.

Keith

The problem is that nobody has confirmed what the problem is. Several Sammy 1080p owners report no issues with a variety of Xbox games including Halo 2. A number of employees at my company have the 1080p Sammy and have said they haven't seen any issues.

On the other hand, a number of people HAVE reported issues, replaced the set with an identical model, and the problem did not resurface. Sounds like a batch of bad units are causing the pain.

It would be nice if the real problem was identified, documented and an advisory was issued by Samsung.

Samsung game me a refund on my HLR 6167w because of the game lag. They confirmed to me that it is a problem.

I have to ask again, has anyone seen or know of a date for the 62HMX95 to be in stores?

Hi all just bought my 62hm94 a month ago i read every post here and this is the best tv for the money. Very happy with it great picture the sd from dish network is also very good. I am using the 811 and component cables. I also got a spare lamp to have on hand.

Now here is my question I removed the orignal lamp to test the spare one and the lamp hours did not reset so when the lamp burns out is there a different service menu you have to use. The one you access from the mute button does not have any thing you can change just a bunch of info. Also in that menu there is a power listing mine stays at 000 I though it would keep track of the number times you turned the tv on and off. One more question my spare lamp has a small bubble in the silver reflective material about the size of a small nail head is there any need to worry about this. Thanks in advance for your replys.

Hello,

I am thinking of purchasing a 52 inch Toshiba DLP, but I am confused as to the difference between these two models:

52HM95 vs 52HMX95

Other than the fact that the all-black HMX95 is better looking, I can't see what I would be getting for the 3-7 hundred dollar price difference (depending where you look). I really like the black, but then I really like my green, if you know what I mean, and I think I'd probably be better going with the HM. But before I decide I wanted to know what cool features the HMX has over the HM?

Again, anyone know the difference between 62HMX95 and 62HMX85? I can't find comparison specs for both anywhere...

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I can only find the HMX85 here in Vancouver but I was originally looking at the HMX95.

As far as I can tell, the only differences between the two are that the HMX85 lacks:

-ATSC/QAM tuner
-TheaterNet and IEEE 1394 ports
-new THINC Ethernet Port
-Cable Card Slot
-POP with splitscreen and 12 MultiWindows
-PC Input (15pin Dsub) [Note, better to connect through HDMI anyways]
-OmniViewer flash memory card slot

Although I'd prefer to have the above features, I can live without them IF the 2 TV's are the same quality in terms of
-picture and the customizability of the picture
-sound from speakers.

Can anyone verify if there are any picture or sound differences between the 2 models?

Thanks.

Hello,

I am thinking of purchasing a 52 inch Toshiba DLP, but I am confused as to the difference between these two models:

52HM95 vs 52HMX95

Other than the fact that the all-black HMX95 is better looking, I can't see what I would be getting for the 3-7 hundred dollar price difference (depending where you look). I really like the black, but then I really like my green, if you know what I mean, and I think I'd probably be better going with the HM. But before I decide I wanted to know what cool features the HMX has over the HM?The one thing I can think of is the PC Input. The other might be THINC as Toshiba indicates this is available on the Cinema Series. See below from the press release.

All new Cinema Series DLP™ PTV models will include THINC™ (Toshiba Home Interactive Network Connection) home entertainment networking. This revolutionary feature allows consumers to connect their TV to their PC and playback MP3 audio files and JPEG pictures using only the TV remote.

Again, anyone know the difference between 62HMX95 and 62HMX85? I can't find comparison specs for both anywhere...

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I can only find the HMX85 here in Vancouver but I was originally looking at the HMX95.

As far as I can tell, the only differences between the two are that the HMX85 lacks:

-ATSC/QAM tuner
-TheaterNet and IEEE 1394 ports
-new THINC Ethernet Port
-Cable Card Slot
-POP with splitscreen and 12 MultiWindows
-PC Input (15pin Dsub) [Note, better to connect through HDMI anyways]
-OmniViewer flash memory card slot

Although I'd prefer to have the above features, I can live without them IF the 2 TV's are the same quality in terms of
-picture and the customizability of the picture
-sound from speakers.

Can anyone verify if there are any picture or sound differences between the 2 models?

Thanks. Toshiba indicates ALL Cinema Series TV's have the THINC port so I don't think that is a difference between the two. The other differences are probably accurate but until Toshiba actually publishes the information on their web site we can't be sure.

Toshiba indicates ALL Cinema Series TV's have the THINC port so I don't think that is a difference between the two. The other differences are probably accurate but until Toshiba actually publishes the information on their web site we can't be sure.

It's odd that the HMX85/HM85/HMX95's have been in the stores for over a month yet neither Toshiba.com or .ca has all the models listed...

b&m = brick and mortar store

To clarify even further, he means a local store that you can actually walk into, not an online ".com" site.

It's odd that the HMX85/HM85/HMX95's have been in the stores for over a month yet neither Toshiba.com or .ca has all the models listed...

I completely agree with you. I've been looking at the 46HM95 for some time and they still don't have any technical information on it listed. By the way, take a look at their selection of manuels and see how for out of day they are.

I sent Toshiba a email yesterday venting my frustration with them. If they really want to sell these sets why don't they have information on sets already in release?

Okay... ive had my 46HM95 for about 30 minutes now and I have a question.

With my 42A10, I could use the built in QAM tuner to get local HD channels over basic cable. I would have to tune to 0.510 for the local PBS station. If I try 0-510 on the HM95, nothing happens.

Is there a way to get this working or do I need a cable card?

Thanks!

Okay... ive had my 46HM95 for about 30 minutes now and I have a question.

With my 42A10, I could use the built in QAM tuner to get local HD channels over basic cable. I would have to tune to 0.510 for the local PBS station. If I try 0-510 on the HM95, nothing happens.

Is there a way to get this working or do I need a cable card?

Thanks!You shouldn't need a cable card. Have you set the ANT input to "cable" and let the TV find all the channels? If so you can look at the channel editor and see what channels are discovered. It may be 51-0 on the TV or 5-1 as mine starts at 1-1 and the channels go up from there.

P.S. Since the channels are not published anywhere your best bet is to copy down all the channel number the TV finds and one by one tune to each channel. That's how I documented where the locals were on my set. FYI, I was never able to find ABC-HD or PBS-HD but I did find ESPN-HD, NBC-HD, CBS-HD, and FOX-HD with Comcast.

I completely agree with you. I've been looking at the 46HM95 for some time and they still don't have any technical information on it listed. By the way, take a look at their selection of manuels and see how for out of day they are.

I sent Toshiba a email yesterday venting my frustration with them. If they really want to sell these sets why don't they have information on sets already in release?


They are probably still trying to find a way to convince us that the horrendous low grey level noise is a "feature" of the 85/95 series rather than a design defect. Then again, as long as we still buy sets with obvious design defects, why should they care. :)

I myself find it acceptable when a few of the lowest grey levels are displayed as black, just a limitation of the technology there. But I do find it quite unappealing when it pukes digital noise within a shade of grey that it "should" be displaying properly. This does effect the entire picture, so it can no longer be considered comparable to other HD sets on the market.

I think another thing that the consumer should be aware of here, is that the "default" settings for these sets are such that this issue is less evident.
In every case I seen thus far, the set displayed on the floor has employed the default settings (high power lamp mode, 100% contrast and 50% brightness), which is actually the "Sports" setting in the menu.
As soon as this is adjusted to that which is more desireable in a typical home viewing situation, the low grey level noise becomes more obvious. I am sure that the issue is likely being mistaken for a bad feed at that point.

These are the only DLP sets that I am aware of that employ a higher power lamp with (high / low settings). However, the "high" power lamp setting is not really acceptable in a normal viewing environment, even in a "very" well lit room. The owners manual explicitly discourages the "high" power setting, basically stating that it results in decreased lamp life (6000 hrs vs 8000 hrs), so why did they even use this higher power lamp. It could not possibly be a cheap "after thought" attempt to cover up a design deficiency/defect on the showroom floor that would be extremely expensive to address otherwise, right?

Please note that these opinions and observations are not coming from someone who is particularly biased against Toshiba or even DLP technology for that matter. I own a 52HM95 which I purchased specifically for use as a computer display, and it performs this duty remarkably well.

I have been looking everywhere for the Toshiba 52HM84 service manual and schematics, if anyone could help please send me a message.

THanks

It's odd that the HMX85/HM85/HMX95's have been in the stores for over a month...
What stores have an HMX95 in them???

I've had the 52HM94 for about two weeks now. My only complaint is the volume level while watching HD channels.

I'm on TWC using their HD box (Explorer 8300HD), connected via component cables. I have the cable box volume cranked all the way, and I occasionally have to boost the TV volume all the way to 50+ in order to hear it well enough. I leave the cable box volume at maximum because it doesn't create any static, but if I increase the TV's volume enough, I start to pick up extra noise.

This problem is significantly minimized while watching normal cable channels. And no, I'm not deaf, and, yes, it is a quiet room/environment.

Any ideas?

I've had the 52HM94 for about two weeks now. My only complaint is the volume level while watching HD channels.

I'm on TWC using their HD box (Explorer 8300HD), connected via component cables. I have the cable box volume cranked all the way, and I occasionally have to boost the TV volume all the way to 50+ in order to hear it well enough. I leave the cable box volume at maximum because it doesn't create any static, but if I increase the TV's volume enough, I start to pick up extra noise.

This problem is significantly minimized while watching normal cable channels. And no, I'm not deaf, and, yes, it is a quiet room/environment.

Any ideas?


Ummm dude, this might have a lot to do with the fact that most of those channels are broadcasting in 5.1 sound, and although the TV will decode 5.1 sound, if you do not have 5.1 sound output then you are stuck getting like less than half the signal (left and right). Your TV does not have a center channel output nor does it have dolbly 5.1 input. So basically you are running the left and right channel sound from the Explorer 8300HD into the TV's stereo sound, and you are missing like the Rear Left, Rear Right, Center, and Subwoofer (dolby 5.1).
What you need to do is either disable dobly 5.1 on the channels, or buy your self a 5.1 receiver and speakers, plug the Co-ax or Optical Digital stereo Output of the cable box, into the receiver, or get rid of the cable box altogether (and pay-per-view programming as well) and use a cable card (Insight gives them out for free here) and plug the Optical Digital Stereo Output from the TV into the receiver.

To make it plain:

The Cable Box has analog Output and Digital Output
The TV only has Analog Input
The TV does have Analog and Digital Output though.

You are running the Cable Box's analog output (red, and yellow or white component cables) into the TV's Ananlog Output

While doing that you are basically trying to "Downcode" the Digital Signal from the Digital channels into an Analog signal.

You need something that will give you Digital sound...

Have you noticed that all of your other channels sound fine, unless you see the little water mark at the bottom of the screen that says "Broadcast in Dolby Digital 5.1 where available" ?

How exactly do you access this service menu using the mute button?

Hi all just bought my 62hm94 a month ago i read every post here and this is the best tv for the money. Very happy with it great picture the sd from dish network is also very good. I am using the 811 and component cables. I also got a spare lamp to have on hand.

Now here is my question I removed the orignal lamp to test the spare one and the lamp hours did not reset so when the lamp burns out is there a different service menu you have to use. The one you access from the mute button does not have any thing you can change just a bunch of info. Also in that menu there is a power listing mine stays at 000 I though it would keep track of the number times you turned the tv on and off. One more question my spare lamp has a small bubble in the silver reflective material about the size of a small nail head is there any need to worry about this. Thanks in advance for your replys.

How exactly do you access this service menu using the mute button?


1) Press MUTE button twice on Remote Control.

2) Press MUTE button again to keep pressing.

3) While pressing the MUTE button, press MENU button on TV set.

4) You will be in the service mode with an S in the upper right corner. Be careful here as this is where you can mess things up.

5) Press “9” button on Remote Control during display of adjustment menu in the service mode. The diagnosis will begin to check if interface among IC’s are executed properly. The TV and Lamp hours are in the lower right corner.

EXIT FROM SERVICE MODE

1) Pressing POWER button to turn off the TV once.

OK I previously asked if anyone know the difference between 62HMX95 (available in the US) and the 62HMX85 (Available in the US and Canada).

After plowing through the 62HMX85 manual I have some BAD news for the Canadians out there. The 62HMX95 is NOT available in Canada, and it has the following features below which the HMX85 does NOT have:

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-ATSC/QAM tuner
-TheaterNet and IEEE 1394 ports
-new THINC Ethernet Port
-Cable Card Slot
-PC Input (15pin Dsub) [Note, better to connect through HDMI anyways]
-OmniViewer flash memory card slot
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What I haven't been able to verify is if the 2 TV's are the same quality in terms of
-picture and the customizability of the picture
-sound from speakers.

but with the features the HMX95 has, we Canadians are losing out with the inferior HMX85 model ...
[Why can't Toshiba be like Sony and release the exact same models in both countries...]

Now I definetely don't want any of the Sony LCD projections (A20/A10 series) but if I can't get the Tosh 62HMX95 (Since I don't want to order from the US for warranty issues) and the 1080p Toshiba's are too expensive ... I don't know what to do other than wait until next year which I do NOT want to do.

Damnit Toshiba, almost all their models in the US and CAnada are the same, why the hell did they only release the HMX95 stateside...

I would consider the JVC D-ILA, depends on if you can accept the CA (or convergence errors, however you want to explain them) and the lower gray level resolutions (still better than Toshibas noisy gray levels anyday, IMO). I even considered these myself, but I just could not deal with the nice blue hue on the side of the brighter details. Sort of messes with my idea of "definition". The feature set on the existing D-ILA's is not as extensive as the Toshiba's like the 95 series, but one should not judge quality on the amount of buttons and bells included. From what I have read here on the forums, JVC has excelled in the customer service and support areas, which is a very important factor with a purchase like this. The JVC 1080p sets sound like they may even be the icing on the cake, as they also catch up in the feature set area (2 HDMI, TVGOS, 40w sound system, etc.).

There are bound to be issues sooner or later with complicated technology like the microchip displays. If the fix is quick and painless (good customer service), then its not a real bad deal anyway. I decided to contact Panasonic about the issues with one of its sets that I tried, as to me they seemed to be something that could at least be fixed (tilted display, color purity). I was referred to some local joke like Joe Bobs TV & Toilet repair, and of course the technicians first muttered words were; hmm..that's one of them thar digtal lcd thangs. :rolleyes:
Not that Panasonic did not try to do right, they were quick to respond and quite courteous. It's just that the chain leading up to an actual repair failed miserably. They even followed up with a call to inquire on how it went, but the set had been returned promptly after the scary technician incident. I have heard similar horror stories with many of the different offerings, but nothing like this with the JVC's so far.

The black noise level isn't as much an issue for me.
Having 2 HDMI connections and 2 component video connections is important, PC connectivity at the TV's native resolution is important or 1:1 pixel maping, and speakers on the side, picture in picture from component/HDMI, and lastly reliability (That is why I am not going with Samsung).

Truth is, if the Sony SXRD was under 4K (as I like the effect SXRD/LCD is so easy on the eyes when watching for extended viewing times) I would have bought it.
The Toshiba 62HMX95 would be perfect for me but since they don't sell it in Canada and the warranty is for American purchases only, I have no choice but to hope that :

1)
either Sony or someone (Panasonic?) releases a better LCD projection for under 4k (for 60") with all the features I need.

2)
A DLP gets released for under 4k (for 60") with all the features I need.

3)
i win the lotto and spring for sony sxrd

4)
Toshiba sells the 62HMX95 in Canada (what seems like the simplest solution except that Toshiba apparently neglects its CAnadian market).

JC

Remember that this is gray level noise, and this translates directly into the darker "colored" regions of the display. Its quite easy to mistake if for some type of weak signal related noise, but it is absent from the brighter regions like faces, etc. IOW, a nice bright HD picture appears perfect, but just about anytime there are darker objects present, you can see the noise within (simliar to static snow). Its also very evident in darker backgrounds of any color such as blue or brown (not just gray).
The LCD's I tried did not have this issue, although I did note that it was evident to an extent in the newer Samsung DLP's. That is why I assumed it was due to the wombulated chip, which is the only correlation I could attribute to both of these particular DLP displays.
LCD is just not a contender to me after having tried a few out. I could not even accept the SDE, SSE, streaking muck that was hiding what seemed to be a fairly nice HD picture "somewhere" back there. I have also heard reports that the SXRD's still exhibit at least some degree of SDE.

If it were not for the lower gray level noise, I would say that the Toshiba 95 series is a very remarkable high definition display, in fact it would probably be one of the best available in a 720p model for the money. Obviously worth looking into closer to see if there is a possible fix for this issue.

With all the QC issues, misrepresentations, and technical limitations, walking into an AV store seems strangely similar to a casino to me now. Real bright lights, nothing but luck to go on, and the house always wins.

Good morning:

Im relatively new to DLP ownership -- i just bought a 52HMX84 and cant seem to get the picture to look realistic color-wise, especially when watching DVDs. I have a Toshiba upconverting DVD player connected via HDMI.

This might be a stupid question, but does anyone have any suggestions for color settings that might make the colors a bit more realistic? Or might it be the HDMI cable that is screwing things up? Im sure it just needs some tweaking, but im a realitive novice with this stuff.

Thanks!

Good morning:

Im relatively new to DLP ownership -- i just bought a 52HMX84 and cant seem to get the picture to look realistic color-wise, especially when watching DVDs. I have a Toshiba upconverting DVD player connected via HDMI.

This might be a stupid question, but does anyone have any suggestions for color settings that might make the colors a bit more realistic? Or might it be the HDMI cable that is screwing things up? Im sure it just needs some tweaking, but im a realitive novice with this stuff.

Thanks!You need to look at purchasing Avia or DVE (Digital Video Essentials) both available from Amazon. I believe you can also order DVE from Circuity City's web site. Either of these calibration tools will give you the best chance of getting good settings. I would also recommend recalibrating about three or four weeks after your set has a chance to break in. I could give you my numbers but each display is different so you really need to calibrate it yourself.

You need to look at purchasing Avia or DVE (Digital Video Essentials) both available from Amazon. I believe you can also order DVE from Circuity City's web site. Either of these calibration tools will give you the best chance of getting good settings. I would also recommend recalibrating about three or four weeks after your set has a chance to break in. I could give you my numbers but each display is different so you really need to calibrate it yourself.


I didn't really think about there being a break-in period for a TV...that seems to make sense, though. I will check out the calibration tools you mentioned -- thanks a bunch!

I still havent seen HD on my 46HM95 and it is clear that Toshiba phone support has NO IDEA what a QAM tuner is or does. My cable provider (TimeWarner) provides the local networks in HD without a CableCARD or box as long as you have a built in QAM tuner. With my Sony KDF-E42A10, I would go to the following channels to access them:

0.504 - NBC HD
0.505 - CBS HD
0.506 - FOX HD
0.510 - PBS HD
0.512 - ABC HD

With the 46HM95 Toshiba, I cannot access any of these channels. Absolutely nothing. Toshiba tech support says it is TimeWarners problem, but it is not. The channels were there 2 days ago when I had the 42A10.

Is there a secret to using the QAM tuner in the 46HM95?

I am trying all of this, becuase the CableCARD that worked great with my 42A10, doesn't work with the Toshiba.

This TV isn't on my good side right now.

Not sure if concast is anything like TW, but those channels were accessed differently in my case.

90-3 NBC HD
90-1 CBS HD
100-1 FOX HD
100-2 PBS HD
87-4 ABC HD

Probably not the same for you, but gives one an idea of how the addressing might differ.

I have a 62hm94 and when I would have to replace the lamp does anyone here now if you can reset the lamp hour meter back to zero. Is this possible or does the meter just keep going and you have to write down the hour that you replaced the lamp at. Thanks for your reply.

Karoff - I believe that 85 is the Canadian version of the 84. Look back through this thread for comments re: rainbow effects and game lag. I don't have a problem on my HMX84 set. Have you checked the internet for prices? A number of people have had good success with ordering them. I got mine locally at a special weekend sale and got even a better price than what I've found on the internet. Pays to shop local sales!

The "5" series is the latest model from Toshiba. The HMX85 models are not available in the United States. The HMX95 models have an integrated HD tuner which is required here in the US on any televisions over 36" diagonal screen size. Apparently, this is not a regulation in Canada, which seems to have the"85 series.

The "85" series is not the Canadian version of the "84". The "84" is last year's model, and is no longer available.

Mike K.

I still havent seen HD on my 46HM95 and it is clear that Toshiba phone support has NO IDEA what a QAM tuner is or does. My cable provider (TimeWarner) provides the local networks in HD without a CableCARD or box as long as you have a built in QAM tuner. With my Sony KDF-E42A10, I would go to the following channels to access them:

0.504 - NBC HD
0.505 - CBS HD
0.506 - FOX HD
0.510 - PBS HD
0.512 - ABC HD

With the 46HM95 Toshiba, I cannot access any of these channels. Absolutely nothing. Toshiba tech support says it is TimeWarners problem, but it is not. The channels were there 2 days ago when I had the 42A10.

Is there a secret to using the QAM tuner in the 46HM95?
Did you read my response to your original post? :confused:

Ummm dude, this might have a lot to do with the fact that most of those channels are broadcasting in 5.1 sound, and although the TV will decode 5.1 sound, if you do not have 5.1 sound output then you are stuck getting like less than half the signal (left and right). Your TV does not have a center channel output nor does it have dolbly 5.1 input. So basically you are running the left and right channel sound from the Explorer 8300HD into the TV's stereo sound, and you are missing like the Rear Left, Rear Right, Center, and Subwoofer (dolby 5.1).
What you need to do is either disable dobly 5.1 on the channels, or buy your self a 5.1 receiver and speakers, plug the Co-ax or Optical Digital stereo Output of the cable box, into the receiver, or get rid of the cable box altogether (and pay-per-view programming as well) and use a cable card (Insight gives them out for free here) and plug the Optical Digital Stereo Output from the TV into the receiver.

To make it plain:

The Cable Box has analog Output and Digital Output
The TV only has Analog Input
The TV does have Analog and Digital Output though.

You are running the Cable Box's analog output (red, and yellow or white component cables) into the TV's Ananlog Output

While doing that you are basically trying to "Downcode" the Digital Signal from the Digital channels into an Analog signal.

You need something that will give you Digital sound...

Have you noticed that all of your other channels sound fine, unless you see the little water mark at the bottom of the screen that says "Broadcast in Dolby Digital 5.1 where available" ?


Thanks. I'm relatively clueless when it comes to AV issues, so your explanation was greatly appreciated.

Since I have no cash with which to purchase a receiver and speakers, I'll have to settle for turning off the 5.1. After 20 minutes of tooling with the TV, I haven't been able to figure out how. Any ideas?

The "5" series is the latest model from Toshiba. The HMX85 models are not available in the United States. The HMX95 models have an integrated HD tuner which is required here in the US on any televisions over 36" diagonal screen size. Apparently, this is not a regulation in Canada, which seems to have the"85 series.

The "85" series is not the Canadian version of the "84". The "84" is last year's model, and is no longer available.

Mike K.

I understand that the integrated HD tuner is only required in the US and that is why the HMX95 has it and the HMX85 (in Canada) does not but for the life of me I can't understand why Toshiba would deny Canadian buyers all the other neat features of the HMX95 like the ethernet port, flash memor reader, etc....
The worst thing is to that no authorized Toshiba dealer in Canada can special order the 62HMX95 for us Canadians (makes one feel like a second class citizen).
Sony and Samsung on the other hand have the same models available in both countries...

I just wanted comment that I received my 46HM95 from Buydig this afternoon and everything with the purchase went smooth and the price was great. I currently have Dish but am going with Adelphia HD tomorrow so I just hooked up the new set with a cable connection. Without adjustments the set is great and I'm very happy with the purchase. I'll try the Avia I purchased after a breakin period. For those of you on the fence all I can say is you would do well to consider this set.

Okay... this thing has to go back. I agree with the guy in this thread who said the HM95 picture is aweful. Everything is VERY grainy... even DVDs on the LG upconvert DVD player. My girlfriend who is not very TV savvy, even commented on how bad the picture looks compared to the Sony 42A10.

The blacks on the HM95 are awesome compared to the 42A10, but everything else is worse. I think I am going to try the Samsung HLR4667w or the HLR5067w.

damn it toshiba...one step forward...two steps back. bring back the HD2+!!!

doesn't matter to me anymore...I've gone the way of the A10.

Okay... this thing has to go back. I agree with the guy in this thread who said the HM95 picture is aweful. Everything is VERY grainy... even DVDs on the LG upconvert DVD player. My girlfriend who is not very TV savvy, even commented on how bad the picture looks compared to the Sony 42A10. Just curious, what were the settings after you calibrated it?

09-15-05, 11:34 PM
The sidebars are black on the 46HM95.

I am having an issue with my CableCARD so I have not seen HD on it yet, but SD looks similar to the 42A10 but colors are MUCH better. I hooked up a Toshiba SD-4980 via HDMI and DVD quality is amazing. I am very impressed with this TV. TWC is coming out to work on the CableCARD on sunday. I cant wait to see HD.



TurboDiesel, it seems like you turned sour on the HM95 pretty quickly. Was the DVD quality really good but the HD bad enough to nix the whole set?

In my case it was both, well all the 3, SD, HD, and DVD. They were all too grainy, and when you got close to the screen...well I have explained it. And then there was the slow response times of the remote. The Toshiba 52hm95 was my first DLP TV and my second RP HD TV overall.


Turbodiesel, (do you drive a VW TDI?) I would suggest that you take the TV back and look for the HM94 series... If you have patience, order one from Vanns, they have a special where they will include the AVIO 160 gig Firewire harddrive with it for free.

If you do not wish to get Toshiba, go with the Samsung series or go with what I have, Mitsubishi. Reviews were good all around, and I am consisitantly amazed by the picture qualtity.
I want to also add that the other night, my wife and I were watching "The Jeff Corwin Experience" on Discovery HD, and she was soooo amazed by the TV, she kept saying "WOW, that looks soooo beautiful, the colors look so vivid". She said it over and over again. That is the final nail of approval...when you wife who complains about you purchasing a 2 grand TV, is awed by your purchase. I remember her hearing me complain about how bad the picture looked on the Toshiba, and she even admitted that it looked horrible...


The Mitsubishi (52525) makes DVD's look like a dream...
But although I love it for the PQ, but even now, I am having a problem with the Cable Card (could be Insight, could be the TV) and the Lack of a TV Guide (I have an RCA 31 inch RPTV and we used to use the guide all the time, and I once I got the 52hm95, I loved the Guide again...

I am now pondering whether or not, to return the Mitsubishi and just put together 200-500.00 more into one of their LCD's or this year's DLP with TVGUIDE...

I read the happy responses of the guys with the HM94 series TV's and wish that there was one available for me to purchase... but alas, here in Lexington, Ky, I believe they are all gone...

phenderson, in reading your posts it seems as if you just don't like the wobbulated chip technology. If you were to save your $$ in trying to get one of this years DLPs (I'm assuming you mean the xHD3's) won't you still get the wobbulated chip but just a higher density DMD?

I've had the opportunity to see the 94s and 95s side by side and can now see the difference with regards to pixels. You can definitely see the square pixels but the 95s show no pixel structure at all. I would imagine that would be the case with the new 1080p DLPs coming out such as the 56HM195.

I know I"m stating the obvious, but it is too difficult to discern picture quality of any two or more TVs in the store. It's next to impossible to get a true feed into the one your interested in seeing.

phenderson, in reading your posts it seems as if you just don't like the wobbulated chip technology. If you were to save your $$ in trying to get one of this years DLPs (I'm assuming you mean the xHD3's) won't you still get the wobbulated chip but just a higher density DMD?

I've had the opportunity to see the 94s and 95s side by side and can now see the difference with regards to pixels. You can definitely see the square pixels but the 95s show no pixel structure at all. I would imagine that would be the case with the new 1080p DLPs coming out such as the 56HM195.

I know I"m stating the obvious, but it is too difficult to discern picture quality of any two or more TVs in the store. It's next to impossible to get a true feed into the one your interested in seeing.


ALas, when I saw the 46hm94, it was in Best Buy. It was easily the best TV in terms of PQ, in the store. It, the JVC ILA, and the Sony 3LCD models, were the best in terms of PQ, brightness, and color. The Mitsubishi was right up there as well. The salesman kept telling me the bulb was old and that the TV (the Mitsu) had been powered on constantly, for 10 hours a day, and thus the bulb was dim....

I wish I could have seen the 94's side by side, but the loan 46hm94 was, now that I recall, was really a 46hm84 (no tuners, no guide) and was sitting on the other side of the department away from the HM95's...

Well, the delivery guys dropped off my 52HMX85 about 30 min ago, and I'm so happy. I was just watching some Lion King using DVI-HDMI on my Oppo in 720p, and it's just GORGEOUS. Incredibly lush and crisp. Also, was playing some XBOX Hulk in 720p as well and that also rocked the house. So far, I'm VERY happy.

DVD quality was GREAT on "A Bugs Life" which is a very bright movie. I watched some dark movies after reading the dark scene noise comments and it looked aweful as some comments suggested. I had to turn the movie off it was so terrible. I finished watching one movie in our bedroom on a 27" Zenith CRT.

The Samsung HLR5067W will arrive Sunday. I am completely sold on the DLP tech over the LCD, but Toshiba implemented it very poorly.

The more I watched the TV, the more I hated it. I wanted to think it was great when it was first delivered, but everything just kept getting worse. I can't even pretend it is a good TV. Yes, I got an exceptional deal, but this is simply not acceptable at any price.

No matter what, the QAM tuner did not work with the HD channels.

I have little to no patience so this has not been a good experience for me.

BTW, I don't own a diesel anymore. I used to have two diesel trucks. A Cummins Dodge Ram with ~400hp/850tq and a Ford F350 Powerstroke with ~450hp/900tq.

TurboDiesel
Are you sure your problems are not source related? I just got my 46HM95 yesterday and had HD cable hooked up today while I still have Dish. Let me tell you the difference is night and day with Dish being light years ahead. The cable guy said they need to open the street and lay a new main line to my house and I'll hold off final judgement until that's done, but if cable doesn't jump light years they're out and I'll keep Dish. "ALL" of my channels on Dish look good, not HD, but very good. Sure it isn't source???

You do realize that the Samsung HLRxx67 has the same (Wobbulated HD4) chip in it as the Toshiba xxHM95 don't you? So, the picture may well be very similar.

.... but its not. I spent over an hour comparing the pictures of a KDFE50A10, a 46HM95, and the HLR5067W in the store now. I wish the TV's would have been out this way on the floor when I bought the first time. The HLR5067W was my pick. It should be here in an hour or so. Hopefully it works out.

Does anyone know if the Tosh 52hm85 will work with a media center computer hooked to the HDMI port ?

Hook up would be with a DVI to HDMI cable.

I see a huge price difference....

Monster Cable HDMI to DVI cable - well over $100,

Belkin - $99

Startech - $19.

Is there really a difference in the quality of these cables to merit the
price of the Monster Cable pricing ? :confused:

My main concern however is hooking up the media center computer to the TV,
are there issues ? - I read a post where somebody had noted that Toshiba says not to hook a media center computer to this TV.

Last question: If not through HMDI, what is the next best way to hook a media center to this TV ?

Thank you for any responses and help with this.

Just a quick FYI for those who live near an HH Gregg retailer. They have the 2004 model 62" Cinema Series on sale for a great price this week, even after taxes it's much less than any of the online retailers. This is the model with the HD2+ chip, which most consider to be superior to this year's new chip design. From what I've heard the HH Gregg guys will deal a little bit so maybe you can get the stand thrown in for free.

Right now I'm torn between getting the Toshiba or getting a 61" JVC D-ILA. :confused:

Am wondering if the Toshiba TV's were ICSF calibrated if that would fix the problem with the poor blacks/greys and all the noise on dark screens...

I am getting ready to purchase a set and am considering the Toshiba 46HM95.
Any Issues ar feedback would be greatly appreciated ...

I'd placed an order the 42A10 (expect to take delivery in little over a week.) Then today I came across the 52HM84 at a local store for a benjamin less. Unfortunately, I didn't get to see one of these sets in action...there were none on the floor. I'm hopin g that the rarest of souls who has actually used or seen both these enough to compare will say a few words.

The Toshiba is a year older model than the Sony but it offers a bigger screen (minus a tuner of course)...but I'm wondering if its picture is comparable to the A10 (I love the A10 pic).

If any long-term (year-ish) owners of the HM84 can say something about its reliability that would be great also. The A10's haven't been out long enough to get feedback but a yea on the HM84 would really help me get off the fence.

Thanks.

Hi Everyone,

I am the proud new owner of a Toshiba 44HM85 just bought yesterday -- I would be
a lot happier if these service menu codes would work so I can adjust the gray scale, (with a color analyzer and laptop). Here's what traditionally works on Toshiba projection sets:

1) Press the "mute" button twice on the remote.
2) Press the "mute" button on the remote and hold.
3) While holding the "mute" button press the "menu" button on the front panel of the display.

This should bring up the "s" indicator on the screen... but to no avail...
All I get is the user menu each time I do this. I've tried various timing of pressing and delays but no results.

Is it possible that they've changed the service menu access for this year's Canadian models? (My set's only 1 month old - Aug /05).

Maybe I've lost the midas touch with accessing service menus, but it's pretty hard to watch with a bluish gray scale of anywhere between 8200K and 20000K depending on the picture mode...

Please anyone with info help....

Regards,

jrol

Well, they took my 46HM95 back today and dropped off the HLR5067W Samsung.

All I have to say is that if you bought an HM95 series Toshiba, take it back for the Samsung.

46HM95 Pros:
Good SD stretch modes
2 HDMI Inputs

46HM95 Cons:
Very loud fan noise... sounded like a Wind Tunnel
QAM Tuner did not pick up TWC local HD
CableCARD did not work immediately with TWC (after 3 hrs on the phone... still didnt work)
Picture was VERY noisy in dark areas
Big "ear" speakers on the sides
Remote made a high pictched squeal when it lit up
Unwatchable SD quality
Incompetent tech support

HLR5067W Pros:
Awesome SD and HD picture quality
Slim cabinet design
Great internal speaker quality
Silent fan operation
Great built in tuner/CableCARD worked flawlessly

HLR5067W Cons:
1 HDMI

I am getting ready to purchase a set and am considering the Toshiba 46HM95.
Any Issues ar feedback would be greatly appreciated ...

Read a ways back through this discussion.
It is agreed, that the hm94 models are better than the hm95 models.
If you get an hm95 model, sit far away from the screen, and you should be ok.

Well, they took my 46HM95 back today and dropped off the HLR5067W Samsung.

All I have to say is that if you bought an HM95 series Toshiba, take it back for the Samsung.

46HM95 Pros:
Good SD stretch modes
2 HDMI Inputs

46HM95 Cons:
Very loud fan noise... sounded like a Wind Tunnel
QAM Tuner did not pick up TWC local HD
CableCARD did not work immediately with TWC (after 3 hrs on the phone... still didnt work)
Picture was VERY noisy in dark areas
Big "ear" speakers on the sides
Remote made a high pictched squeal when it lit up
Unwatchable SD quality
Incompetent tech support

HLR5067W Pros:
Awesome SD and HD picture quality
Slim cabinet design
Great internal speaker quality
Silent fan operation
Great built in tuner/CableCARD worked flawlessly

HLR5067W Cons:
1 HDMI

But it does have a PC slot, and does it have a TVGOS as well?

It has TVGOS and a PC monitor connection, but no PC Card slot.

I finally got my HM95 yesterday and set it up. Best Buy left some screws out so I had to go to a hardware store to get what I needed. We let BB have it on that and we are getting some money back I think.

Question 1 - My screen seems kind of grainy. How can I fix that? Note: I only have about 8 feet of viewing distance from the configuration of my apartment. Also, I am just using the digital signal. I am going to get the TWC (Houston) HD converter/DVR tonight.

Question 2 - Do I need to get a HDMI cable for the Time Warner HD/DVR box? TWC said they would give me all the cables I need.

I hope this box makes the PQ better. I haven't really played with the settings yet. What are some good configurations?

It has TVGOS and a PC monitor connection, but no PC Card slot.


Dude... I love my Mitsubishi, but I am seriously thinking about taking it back... seriously, because I cannot get the cable card to work correctly. The cable folks are coming back out for the 3rd time, tommorrow.... If they cannot get it to work, I guess I will have to jump on the Samsung 5067w bandwagon (3 DLP's in 3 weeks...). I love the picture on the Mitsubishi. I love the sharpness and I love the blacklevels... but as I have mentioned in post after post after post... I hate the lack of a TVGOS on screen.... and the Cable Card is not working. I still get all of my HD channels (YEAH!!!) but half of my digital cable channels (Nayyyyyy!)... I love the Anti-glare screen. That glossy black look is awesome... I am going to call Mitsubishi, and I am going to pull out all the stops when it comes to getting that fixed... if it don't work, then back to Best Buy it goes... I can even do without the TVGOS...but man, this sucks that I can't get my CC to work. That is my main gripe with it. I know I can find sometype of VCR or DVR that has built-in TVGOS.

I finally got my HM95 yesterday and set it up. Best Buy left some screws out so I had to go to a hardware store to get what I needed. We let BB have it on that and we are getting some money back I think.

Question 1 - My screen seems kind of grainy. How can I fix that? Note: I only have about 8 feet of viewing distance from the configuration of my apartment. Also, I am just using the digital signal. I am going to get the TWC (Houston) HD converter/DVR tonight.

Question 2 - Do I need to get a HDMI cable for the Time Warner HD/DVR box? TWC said they would give me all the cables I need.

I hope this box makes the PQ better. I haven't really played with the settings yet. What are some good configurations?


The good news is that you got a nice TV packed with almost every option imaginable...

The bad news is that that graininess is there to stay. No amount of HQ cables external or built-in tuners will remove it. It is the DLP Chip that is being used in the TV.

The good news is that you can fix the graininess, by sitting about 15 feet away from the your TV.

The bad news is that apparently you will not be sitting 15 fee t away from your TV.


Shoulda bought a HM94 series...
Sorry man...if graininess bothers you, then run run as fast as you can, back to the store and talk to that salesman...

Otherwise, the graininess will not bother just like it does not bother 95% of the folks posting to this thread.

I love the Toshiba HM95 series. I can't say enough about its feature set. The only negative of its feature set, to me, was the lack for a PC input. Everything else was awesome. I could have lived with the slow response remote... But once I got that TV on and callirbated... I was disgusted with the graininess and the washed out look of the picture up close...

Dude... I love my Mitsubishi, but I am seriously thinking about taking it back... seriously, because I cannot get the cable card to work correctly. The cable folks are coming back out for the 3rd time, tommorrow.... If they cannot get it to work, I guess I will have to jump on the Samsung 5067w bandwagon (3 DLP's in 3 weeks...). I love the picture on the Mitsubishi. I love the sharpness and I love the blacklevels... but as I have mentioned in post after post after post... I hate the lack of a TVGOS on screen.... and the Cable Card is not working. I still get all of my HD channels (YEAH!!!) but half of my digital cable channels (Nayyyyyy!)... I love the Anti-glare screen. That glossy black look is awesome... I am going to call Mitsubishi, and I am going to pull out all the stops when it comes to getting that fixed... if it don't work, then back to Best Buy it goes... I can even do without the TVGOS...but man, this sucks that I can't get my CC to work. That is my main gripe with it. I know I can find sometype of VCR or DVR that has built-in TVGOS.

You will be VERY happy with the 5067w.

I was also suprised to see that my set was Manufactured in September 2005. I don't like buying something and seeing the date of manufacture a few months before it arrives in my home.

Does your TVGOS work fine, and does the TV have 2 tuners, both HD (One for HDTV Digital that works in conjunction with the card, and the other that Gets OTA HD\Digital TV broadcasts)?

Have you tested the Firewire ports. I guess these TV's do not have card readers, right?

"Dude... I love my Mitsubishi, but I am seriously thinking about taking it back... seriously, because I cannot get the cable card to work correctly. The cable folks are coming back out for the 3rd time, tommorrow.... If they cannot get it to work, I guess I will have to jump on the Samsung 5067w bandwagon (3 DLP's in 3 weeks...). I love the picture on the Mitsubishi. I love the sharpness and I love the blacklevels... but as I have mentioned in post after post after post... I hate the lack of a TVGOS on screen.... and the Cable Card is not working. I still get all of my HD channels (YEAH!!!) but half of my digital cable channels (Nayyyyyy!)... I love the Anti-glare screen. That glossy black look is awesome... I am going to call Mitsubishi, and I am going to pull out all the stops when it comes to getting that fixed... if it don't work, then back to Best Buy it goes... I can even do without the TVGOS...but man, this sucks that I can't get my CC to work. That is my main gripe with it. I know I can find sometype of VCR or DVR that has built-in TVGOS."

Why not just get the STB and not worry about the cable card. Either way, you have to pay a monthly fee. Forget about the cable card and you will then have access to your TV Guide and movies on demand or whatever else is negated by the use of a cable card. I guess it defeats the purpose of buying an integrated tv, but if you are paying for either one regardless.....

You will be VERY happy with the 5067w.

I was also suprised to see that my set was Manufactured in September 2005. I don't like buying something and seeing the date of manufacture a few months before it arrives in my home.

Doesn't the 5067w have the same DMD as the HM95s? Are you guys saying that these sets don't present a film-like picture? The write-ups for the 5067w refer to Cinema Smooth technology which I'd imagine is the same as Toshiba's Smooth Picture technology aka wobbulated chip.

Doesn't the 5067w have the same DMD as the HM95s? Are you guys saying that these sets don't present a film-like picture? The write-ups for the 5067w refer to Cinema Smooth technology which I'd imagine is the same as Toshiba's Smooth Picture technology aka wobbulated chip.

They both use the Wobulated HD4 Chip, but by comparing the amount of picutre noise/grain.... you wouldn't be able to tell. The Samsung shows just a very slight amount of grain only noticeable in some scenes, while the Toshiba always looks like it has a bad set of "rabbit ears" connected to it for an antenna.

In an effort to keep this thread from getting too far sidetracked, feel free to Private Message me with any questions.

So no HMX85 owners have had their thread ICSF calibrated to see if that removes most of the grainess/noise?

Also, has any 52/62" HMX85 owners here successfully connected a pc to the TV through the HDMI port at a 1:1 pixel ratio like 1280 X 720?

Thanks.

They both use the Wobulated HD4 Chip, but by comparing the amount of picutre noise/grain.... you wouldn't be able to tell. The Samsung shows just a very slight amount of grain only noticeable in some scenes, while the Toshiba always looks like it has a bad set of "rabbit ears" connected to it for an antenna.

Well, I had an oppurtunity to view both the 62HMX94 (HD2+) and the brand-new 62HMX95 (HD4) side by side this evening. These are the Cinema Series versions of both of these sets. I must say that the new all-black bezel on the HMX95 is a tremendous improvement, the silver bezel is very tacky-looking in comparison.

As far as PQ goes, I spent a good 30 minutes going back and forth between the 2, tweaking the settings here and there, and I can honestly say that the 2 sets have an almost identical PQ to my eyes, which is to say that they both looked fantastic. These 2 sets had, in my eyes, the best PQ of all the rear-projection 720p sets, including the Samsung's and the JVC's. When I had viewed the HM94 and HM95 earlier this week I thought the 94 definitely had the upper hand, but the Cinema Series versions seem to have identical PQ, even though the new version supposedly has the inferior chip.

Just my 2 pennies.

I right now have the samsung hd850 and after a couple weeks of use I think this dvd player sucks alot. my old mitsubishi also sucked on this tv. so now I am forced to look for another dvd player. I bought this tv for size and picture quality but I am getting great picture quality from hd cable but I watch alot of dvds and I am not getting it. I am looking into buying the pioneer elite dv-59avi. but before I dish out the money for this I want to know if any one has used the dvd player on there Toshiba dlp same model or something simular. I have seen this dvd player at work on a mitsu dlp and I could swear it was a hd signal going to it. please tell me if I am looking the right way and if not which dvd player should I get? this dvd player will cost me only 500 dolars. much much lower then retail, but if you can tell me if that will be the best dvd picture I can get? please post pics also if you have them

also wondering what dlp chip does the 52hm95 have? I know the 52hm84 had the hd2+ chip but it is not listed on the website which one the 95 has. any1 know? does it have the lesser 3 chip?

It uses what is referred to here on the forums as the HD4 "wombulated" chip, and features the advanced HLGLN circuitry.




HLGLN = Horrible Lower Gray Level Noise :)

I am a newbie but have just invested in the 52hm84 after doing what I thought was a reasonable amount of homework. Of course that was prior to finding AVS. However I have been very happy with the Toshiba.

Not having had HD prior I upgraded my D* to the HD rcvr w/Tivo. I have connected it to TV using the HDMI cable that came with the D* rcvr. The 52hm84 is just plugged into a generic power strip. Does the PQ improve if I use monster cables to connect and a monster power strip for surge suppression?

I hooked up my sons' PS2 just to show off and was disappointed with the PQ. The connection is through RCA connections that come standard. Will the PQ improve with the composite connection? I found and ordered a cheapo composite connection from eBay. Did I waste $10?

II hooked up my sons' PS2 just to show off and was disappointed with the PQ. The connection is through RCA connections that come standard. Will the PQ improve with the composite connection? I found and ordered a cheapo composite connection from eBay. Did I waste $10?I assume you mean "component" as "composite" is the same as RCA. You will definitely see an improvement using component (i.e. colorstream) connections but you need a decent DVD player, not a PS2 which is a poor substitute for a DVD player.

I right now have the samsung hd850 and after a couple weeks of use I think this dvd player sucks alot. my old mitsubishi also sucked on this tv. so now I am forced to look for another dvd player. I bought this tv for size and picture quality but I am getting great picture quality from hd cable but I watch alot of dvds and I am not getting it. I am looking into buying the pioneer elite dv-59avi. but before I dish out the money for this I want to know if any one has used the dvd player on there Toshiba dlp same model or something simular. I have seen this dvd player at work on a mitsu dlp and I could swear it was a hd signal going to it. please tell me if I am looking the right way and if not which dvd player should I get? this dvd player will cost me only 500 dolars. much much lower then retail, but if you can tell me if that will be the best dvd picture I can get? please post pics also if you have them

i just packed up my 850 to return it also...horrible picture quality. it looked like betamax or something. i have a 52hm84, anyone recommend a dvd player for this specific tv?? preferably under $200?

I got my HD box w/DVR from TWC tonight and hooked it up. The HD stations look great, but the grainyness is still there for a lot of the normal digital channels. What should I adjust the settings too for the 52HM95? Again, I am only about 8 feet away from the tv and I am just using the component cable that came with the HD box.

Well, I had an oppurtunity to view both the 62HMX94 (HD2+) and the brand-new 62HMX95 (HD4) side by side this evening. These are the Cinema Series versions of both of these sets. I must say that the new all-black bezel on the HMX95 is a tremendous improvement, the silver bezel is very tacky-looking in comparison.

As far as PQ goes, I spent a good 30 minutes going back and forth between the 2, tweaking the settings here and there, and I can honestly say that the 2 sets have an almost identical PQ to my eyes, which is to say that they both looked fantastic. These 2 sets had, in my eyes, the best PQ of all the rear-projection 720p sets, including the Samsung's and the JVC's. When I had viewed the HM94 and HM95 earlier this week I thought the 94 definitely had the upper hand, but the Cinema Series versions seem to have identical PQ, even though the new version supposedly has the inferior chip.

Just my 2 pennies.

I found the same thing. These two sets have identical PQ despite their different means of achieving it. My understanding is that the newer will allow for even better PQ due to improvements within the service menu. Unfortunately it'll cost another $500 or so to have an ISF tech unlock it's potential. That's OK, I'm happy with my current PQ.

also wondering what dlp chip does the 52hm95 have? I know the 52hm84 had the hd2+ chip but it is not listed on the website which one the 95 has. any1 know? does it have the lesser 3 chip?

The 95s have what TI calls the HD3 chip. The manufacturers may refer to it as something different, most likely the HD4. Regardless, it's a wobbulated DMD. The 195s have the xHD3 which is also wobbulated but has a higher mirror density on the DMD.

I have just ordered the 62MX195 as my first ever HDTV. I know this is the HM thread but I'm getting worried/confused with all the talk of poor/grainy PQ followed by the next post saying the PQ is exceptional. Should I be worried about my purchase of the new Toshiba coming out based on what I'm reading about the current line?

Not to hijack the thread but it kind of fits here since most of you are owners of the HM series. Is there an improvement in the MX195 that current owners of the HM94/95 are hoping to see?

I'd say my main concern is PQ. I'm just starting out so I don't have a lot of peripheral things to plug into it besides my DVR and DVD.

Hi Everyone,

I am the proud new owner of a Toshiba 44HM85 just bought yesterday -- I would be
a lot happier if these service menu codes would work so I can adjust the gray scale, (with a color analyzer and laptop). Here's what traditionally works on Toshiba projection sets:

1) Press the "mute" button twice on the remote.
2) Press the "mute" button on the remote and hold.
3) While holding the "mute" button press the "menu" button on the front panel of the display.

This should bring up the "s" indicator on the screen... but to no avail...
All I get is the user menu each time I do this. I've tried various timing of pressing and delays but no results.

Is it possible that they've changed the service menu access for this year's Canadian models? (My set's only 1 month old - Aug /05).

Maybe I've lost the midas touch with accessing service menus, but it's pretty hard to watch with a bluish gray scale of anywhere between 8200K and 20000K depending on the picture mode...

Please anyone with info help....

Regards,

jrol

Your tv is a re-badged LG Electronics model, if I'm remembering the model number correctly. Good luck finding the info you need.

i just packed up my 850 to return it also...horrible picture quality. it looked like betamax or something. i have a 52hm84, anyone recommend a dvd player for this specific tv?? preferably under $200? I would recommend a good upconverting player like the Panasonic S97 or the Sony DVP-NS975V (which I have) but that will run about $250. If you want decent standard progressive players look at the Sony DVP-NS775V or Pioneer DV578A-S if you can still find them, both are at or under $130.

[QUOTE=Mathue73]

Not to hijack the thread but it kind of fits here since most of you are owners of the HM series. Is there an improvement in the MX195 that current owners of the HM94/95 are hoping to see?

QUOTE]

Yah, its called 1080p :) The HM95 sets are only 720p, so I am sure you have absolutely nothing to worry about there.

One factor with the lower level gray scale noise is that it translates directly to normal colors. The fact is, my HM95 had a very nice HD picture, as long as you did not pay close attention to the darker colored areas. Faces for example, were always quite impressive. It is also much more detectable in a DVD picture, particularly in a darker scene. Trying to detect this issue within a set on the showroom floor is likely not going to be successful. The default settings they use will almost always hide it quite well. Once you get the set into your living room where these default settings are ridiculously bright, and subsequently adjust it for normal viewing, it becomes much more evident.
I was able to isolate it almost immediately, as I use my set primarily as an HTPC, and I have various test patterns available.

i was looking to buy the 52hm95, i cannot figure out the difference between the hm95 and the hmx95 can someone please explain this to me, and also has anyone expierienced video game lag on these toshiba tv's thanks

Hello

I just recieved My Toshiba 52HM94 from buy dig this afternoon. I am having a problem with the TV, there is a grey screen that comes up when it is turned on. I have tried unplugging and pushing the reset button on the site but the grey box still stays on there. In the Grey box it says: The fan used to cool the Cable Card has stopped. Please unplug the Tv and Call a Toshiba Repair Center. There is no cable card in the TV. There is also nothing in the cable card slot. Has anyone run into this problem before. If you have what needed to be fixed and how long did it take. Any help is appreciated.

Ron Stark

Anyone see the Toshiba 62MX195 live yet? Any comments on how the picture quality is?

http://www.toshiba.ca/web/product.g...duct=5161&lg=en

Wondering if the TV can TRULY accept a 1080P connection through its HDMI port?

Also wondering if it is possible to connect a PC through the HDMI port at the TV's native resolution (1920 X 1080) since the built-in VGA port on the TV only supports a 1024 X768 resolution...

Thanks.

I can only find the HMX85 here in Vancouver but I was originally looking at the HMX95.As far as I can tell, the only differences between the two are that the HMX85 lacks:
-ATSC/QAM tuner
-TheaterNet and IEEE 1394 ports
-new THINC Ethernet Port
-Cable Card Slot
-POP with splitscreen and 12 MultiWindows
-PC Input (15pin Dsub) [Note, better to connect through HDMI anyways]
-OmniViewer flash memory card slot

Hi Johnny, I am in Vancouver too, have you found your HMX85 yet? I am thinking about getting the 52" version but all the FS stores are sold out right now.

Yes I am actually a bit disappointed about the lack of the above features in the toshi "Canadian" version of HMX series. What are they thinking?

Maybe if we're buying together then we can get a higher discount too? The cheapest I have been able to find in Vancouver is 2700 for the 52HMX85 version.

but with the features the HMX95 has, we Canadians are losing out with the inferior HMX85 model ...
[Why can't Toshiba be like Sony and release the exact same models in both countries...]

Now I definetely don't want any of the Sony LCD projections (A20/A10 series) but if I can't get the Tosh 62HMX95 (Since I don't want to order from the US for warranty issues) and the 1080p Toshiba's are too expensive ... I don't know what to do other than wait until next year which I do NOT want to do.

Damnit Toshiba, almost all their models in the US and CAnada are the same, why the hell did they only release the HMX95 stateside...

Johnny, I am in the EXACT same position as you on this. I want the feature list, but Canadian only offers HMX85, and I don't want Sony, plus there's the warranty issue, as well as the issue of 1080p.

By the way, how do you know 1080p Toshi's are "expensive"? I can't even find a store in Vancouver/Canada that sells it now.

Buy the way, MX195 series seem to have all the missing features of HMX85 added back in. But the bad thing is, it seems like in Canada they will offer ONLY the 62 and 72 version of 1080p and NO 56" version?!!!!

Hello

I just recieved My Toshiba 52HM94 from buy dig this afternoon. I am having a problem with the TV, there is a grey screen that comes up when it is turned on. I have tried unplugging and pushing the reset button on the site but the grey box still stays on there. In the Grey box it says: The fan used to cool the Cable Card has stopped. Please unplug the Tv and Call a Toshiba Repair Center. There is no cable card in the TV. There is also nothing in the cable card slot. Has anyone run into this problem before. If you have what needed to be fixed and how long did it take. Any help is appreciated.

Ron Stark

The cable card fan is designed to run 24/7 regardless of whether a cable card is in use. If this screen was present when you first powered up then there was probably something jostled during shipping. Call the Toshiba Repair Center. They may be able to walk you through something simple over the phone like jiggling a loose wire connection.

It seems our friends from the north have their act together, and have posted some information on the new Cinema 1080p sets on the Toshiba's Canadian site.

There's even a manual for the 56/62/72 MX185 (though it might be preliminary as it has "1st Check" written on the cover. There's also a one-sheet for the 72MX185.

The manual is linked from the 62 & 72 MX185 descriptions.

Sorry, but I don't enough posts to include a link. Now, wonder when the US site is going finally update with the new models?

-bruce
HDTV newbie

avsscientist:

First of all, I haven't had ANY 62HMX85 owners verify that they can connect a PC to it through HDMI at the TV's native resolution (1280 X 720) or at a resolution where they get near 1:1 pixel representation (so the picture looks sharp). Since I need to use my HDTV with my Home Theatre PC, this is a must.

On the other hand, mechanic verified that the 62HMX95 DOES work fine with this, but of course you can't buy this TV in Canada :(

Because of that, and because:
1) They knocked the MSRP of the 62MX195 buy $1000 Canadian from $6000 Cdn to $5000 Cdn
2) The 62MX195 has all the extra features that the 62HMX95 has
3) but it is available in Canada
4) and it is 1080P :eek:

I will take a good long look at this TV even though it goes over my budget of $4000.

I'd still prefer a 62HMX85 but I haven't had anyone verify my PC info request, so that is why I am asking:
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Anyone see the Toshiba 62MX195 live yet? Any comments on how the picture quality is?

http://www.toshiba.ca/web/product.grp?section=2&group=6&product=5161&lg=en

Wondering if the TV can TRULY accept a 1080P connection through its HDMI port?

Also wondering if it is possible to connect a PC through the HDMI port at the TV's native resolution (1920 X 1080) since the built-in VGA port on the TV only supports a 1024 X768 resolution...

Thanks.

Reading the manual for the 52HM85 last night, and came across this in the manual on page 15....

" NOTE ! : NEVER CONNECT THIS TV TO A PERSONAL COMPUTER (PC). THIS
TV IS NOT INTENDED FOR USE WITH A PIC"

Since I had my heart on setting up a media center on PC attached to this TV,
please tell me that there are people out there that have successfully connected a computer to this TV.

I am at a loss, I thought that I read 2 years ago that DLP TVs could be hooked up to computers, in fact I remember seeing many users doing so.

Any help anyone can offer would be appreciated.

[QUOTE=Mathue73]

Not to hijack the thread but it kind of fits here since most of you are owners of the HM series. Is there an improvement in the MX195 that current owners of the HM94/95 are hoping to see?

QUOTE]

Yah, its called 1080p :) The HM95 sets are only 720p, so I am sure you have absolutely nothing to worry about there.

One factor with the lower level gray scale noise is that it translates directly to normal colors. The fact is, my HM95 had a very nice HD picture, as long as you did not pay close attention to the darker colored areas. Faces for example, were always quite impressive. It is also much more detectable in a DVD picture, particularly in a darker scene. Trying to detect this issue within a set on the showroom floor is likely not going to be successful. The default settings they use will almost always hide it quite well. Once you get the set into your living room where these default settings are ridiculously bright, and subsequently adjust it for normal viewing, it becomes much more evident.
I was able to isolate it almost immediately, as I use my set primarily as an HTPC, and I have various test patterns available.

Mechanic, do you still own a HM95 or did you replace it with something else? Also, with regards to the new HM195s and the 1080p debate, from what I understand these sets can't accept a true 1080P signal. That being said, I believe there was a post from SayAnythingRock a while back assuming that the graininess of an SD signal would just be exacerbated by these new 1080P TVs. Are you thinking that the 1080s would do a better job with SD?

Has anyone seen the new 195s in action?

Yep, in fact, I am typing this post on it. I do all my work on my HTPC, which has always been hooked to a large screen of some type. I find that the comfort factor of lying on a couch increases my own productivity immensely.
Becomes more obvious when you consider watching several 2 hr movies while sitting in the typical chair designed for a computer desk..ouch.

I have yet to have the pleasure of seeing a 1080p tosh in action, but I would be extremely surprised if any circuit design issue related to the 720p sets could transfer over to these, as completely redesigned circuitry would be required for the higher resolution.

HDMI is a standard, and therefore all HDMI ports follow "specific" design specifications. An HDMI port has no idea as to the identity of the equipment supplying its signal. IOW, it cannot distinguish between a 720p signal supplied by a DVD player and a 720p signal supplied by a PC's video card.
As long as the video card is capable of supplying a 1280 X 720 signal at 60Hz, it will be accepted by the HDMI port through HDMI to DVI connection.


What if God decided to sue the human race for copyright infringement? After all, the majority would agree that he was the original inventor of both light and sound. According to our own copyright laws, the original inventor is "automatically" assigned all rights to distribution, and this would in effect nullify any subsequent copyright claims made by humans for any derivative works such as music and video. :)

Ahhh....

That actually explains alot -- (maybe the LG packing material inside the box should have been a hint...) Thank you garciab!


jrol

I checked for a hdmi to dvi cable this week, and I don't want to spend what bestbuy is charging.... no thanks :-(

where do you all suggest looking for an inexpensive hdmi to dvi cable that will work just fine ?

I checked for a hdmi to dvi cable this week, and I don't want to spend what bestbuy is charging.... no thanks :-(

where do you all suggest looking for an inexpensive hdmi to dvi cable that will work just fine ?




http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10231&style=

I bought my 6-foot DV-to-HDMI cable off of the web... No way was I going to pay $100.00 for a "Monster" cable form BB or CC. When I could just be patient, and wait 2 days for one to arrive.

I paid about $12.00 for mine, and that included shipping, and might I add, mine has the gold plated ends on it.

As for video quality... I am using a Motorola 6208 STB. Using the DVI port on the back of that, MY HD quality is not as good as the HD quality from the TV's built-in tuner (using the cable card). It looks slighty faded, sort of glass look. Now the Analog and Digital content, is awesome. Never ever have I seen better looking Analog and Digital content. It makes it sharper and brings out the color more. Now I also have a set of Component Cables... I guess because they are low quality Walmart cables (silver ends), that is why the picture looks horrible. There is a grainy washed out look to the picture. Reminds me of how my Toshiba looked out of the box with the TV tuner card... Needless to say, I won't be using those cables any more.
So now my setup goes something like this:

-Mitsubishi 52525

-Motorola 6208 STB connected via DVI-to-HDMI cables to HDMI port on TV
Motorola 6208 STB is also connected via component cables to component input 2 on the TV. All Audio for the STB is being handled by the Optical Audio running into a Panasonic receiver.

-PC\Computer connected by VGA Cat-5 Extender, to VGA port on TV
all audio for the PC is being handled by Mini-din to analog stereo connectors to the front end of the Panasonic receiver.

-Cable Card on Ant 1 for Digital Cable and HDTV. Audio is handled by the TV's speakers (which are not as good as the ones on the Toshiba.

-Ant 1 (seeing as how, here in Lexington, Insight BB has not purchased NBC HD nor have they purchased ABC HD from the local affiliates who are broadcasting them) Audio is handled by the TV's speakers

-Panasonic DVD player s77 connected by Gold Plated Component cables, to Component input 1 on the TV. Audio is handled by Digital Co-ax out to the Panasonic receiver.

Hopefully tonight, I am going try hooking the STB up to the Mitsubishi's firewire ports. I might not be able to record, but I would like to see if I can view the contents of the harddrive on the TV.

On the other hand, mechanic verified that the 62HMX95 DOES work fine with this, but of course you can't buy this TV in Canada :(


I know this just sucks when we Canadians are always getting inferior products.
Because of that, and because:


1) They knocked the MSRP of the 62MX195 buy $1000 Canadian from $6000 Cdn to $5000 Cdn
2) The 62MX195 has all the extra features that the 62HMX95 has
3) but it is available in Canada
4) and it is 1080P :eek:
I will take a good long look at this TV even though it goes over my budget of $4000.


Yea I am excited about the 1080p set with the FULL feature set too. If we are buying together, maybe we can get group discount? I don't know of ANY place selling it right now. Why is there a delay of launch in Canada? The States hve been selling them since August?!

Yea I am excited about the 1080p set with the FULL feature set too. If we are buying together, maybe we can get group discount? I don't know of ANY place selling it right now. Why is there a delay of launch in Canada? The States hve been selling them since August?!

I was the same thing last year when i ordered my 52HM84. The states had them since the beginning of august. I ordered it right away from my friend's store. I was probably one of the first one in canada to receive this TV and it was the 1st of september... 1 month after the states....

Has anyone seen the new Toshiba 72MX195? At a price of under 6k it appears to be very interesting. Does anyone know if it will accept 1080p?

The quick answer is, NOP. It won't accept 1080p HDMI, unless there're tweaks/hacks that can override this limitation.

HDMI is a standard, and therefore all HDMI ports follow "specific" design specifications. An HDMI port has no idea as to the identity of the equipment supplying its signal. IOW, it cannot distinguish between a 720p signal supplied by a DVD player and a 720p signal supplied by a PC's video card.
As long as the video card is capable of supplying a 1280 X 720 signal at 60Hz, it will be accepted by the HDMI port through HDMI to DVI connection.
:)

For those people who (like me) didn't originally understand the significance of this quote, that means with any TV with HDMI, and a HTPC with a DVI-to_HDMI adapter, you can in theory connect the PC to the TV's native screen resolution (in this case, 1280 X 720 on the HMX85/95 series) provided that the video card drivers/software is flexible enough. This is NOT a TV issue since the TV interprets any 720P signal as 1280 X 720 regardless if it comes from a HDTV box, Xbox, or PC.

Thanks Mechanic.

The quick answer is, NOP. It won't accept 1080p HDMI, unless there're tweaks/hacks that can override this limitation.

On the HMX195 series (62" and 72") isn't the 1080p capablities determined by HDMI?
I thought the HDMI standard incorporated 1080p?

The 1.1 specification does, but I suspect there may be additional license fees involved that may be discouraging 1080p over HDMI. As it stands now, a manufacturer that incorporates both HDMI and HDCP into their products pays over $30,000 / yr just in license fees, plus a few cents for each unit sold.
Could also be the MPAA mucking things up as they usually do. I am sure they are quite aware of what will happen to their ticket sales when one can rent an HD DVD, pop it into their HDMI equiped player, and enjoy equal or even better picture quality than a theatre can hope to produce. The widescreen formats we enjoy now are actually due to them nearly going down when color TV's first became popular, imagine the horrible learjet repossesion nightmares that a potential repeat play of this is causing. :)

Just my own theories, but the technology is there, so it almost has to be due to something stupid like this, IMO.

Well here's another speculative jab/question mechanic that you probably couldn't answer:

The Samsung 1080p DLP does support hooking up through HDMI at 1920 X 1080 (progressive) but that is through its built in VGA port.

It would be useful if anyone out there with the resources could test if the new Toshiba 62MX195 /MX195 series could have a PC connect through its HDMI port (with a DVI to HDMI adapter) at 1920 X 1080.

The other interesting this to know is if the 1080p DLP will look better (Both in detail and color) than the HMX85/95 series at:
1) 480i
2) 480p
3) 720p

The 1.1 specification does, but I suspect there may be additional license fees involved that may be discouraging 1080p over HDMI. As it stands now, a manufacturer that incorporates both HDMI and HDCP into their products pays over $30,000 / yr just in license fees, plus a few cents for each unit sold.
Could also be the MPAA mucking things up as they usually do. I am sure they are quite aware of what will happen to their ticket sales when one can rent an HD DVD, pop it into their HDMI equiped player, and enjoy equal or even better picture quality than a theatre can hope to produce. The widescreen formats we enjoy now are actually due to them nearly going down when color TV's first became popular, imagine the horrible learjet repossesion nightmares that a potential repeat play of this is causing. :)

Just my own theories, but the technology is there, so it almost has to be due to something stupid like this, IMO.

Mechanic,

Can we please elaborate on this subject in detail in my thread?:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=583222

Thanks.

Does anyone know of a store in San Diego County or Orange County that actually has a 62HMX95 or a 62MX195? TIA.

avsscientist:

First of all, I haven't had ANY 62HMX85 owners verify that they can connect a PC to it through HDMI at the TV's native resolution (1280 X 720) or at a resolution where they get near 1:1 pixel representation (so the picture looks sharp). Since I need to use my HDTV with my Home Theatre PC, this is a must.

On the other hand, mechanic verified that the 62HMX95 DOES work fine with this, but of course you can't buy this TV in Canada :(

Because of that, and because:
1) They knocked the MSRP of the 62MX195 buy $1000 Canadian from $6000 Cdn to $5000 Cdn
2) The 62MX195 has all the extra features that the 62HMX95 has
3) but it is available in Canada
4) and it is 1080P :eek:

I will take a good long look at this TV even though it goes over my budget of $4000.

I'd still prefer a 62HMX85 but I haven't had anyone verify my PC info request, so that is why I am asking:
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Anyone see the Toshiba 62MX195 live yet? Any comments on how the picture quality is?

http://www.toshiba.ca/web/product.grp?section=2&group=6&product=5161&lg=en

Wondering if the TV can TRULY accept a 1080P connection through its HDMI port?

Also wondering if it is possible to connect a PC through the HDMI port at the TV's native resolution (1920 X 1080) since the built-in VGA port on the TV only supports a 1024 X768 resolution...

Thanks.

I have the Toshiba 62HM94 with no VGA port but with a HDMI port.

I currently have my PC hooked up thru a DVI to HDMI cable and it looks nice and crips.

I have an ati 9800XT for my video card.

The only problem i have had is when playing games and when they are in dark spaces(Half Life 2 and Far Cry) but everything out side looks beautiful, some times the darks turn a little greenish. But over all everything is fantastic. But i have not callibrated my TV to the optimal settings yet. which could help with this problem i am having. But other than that i love my new TV.

Callibrating Toshiba 62HM94

I watch quite a bit of HD content thru my PC and i like to play video games.

IE Harry Potter Movies in HD, their clothes turn greenish in dark areas.
IE Half Life 2 in caves darkest spots turn also greenish.

I have problems with dark areas not showing up clearly and dark areas becoming greenish?

What are the optimal settings i can have my TV at contrast, sharpness, etc.. to prevent this from happening.

I will appreciate all the help i can get with this problem.

Callibrating Toshiba 62HM94

I watch quite a bit of HD content thru my PC and i like to play video games.

IE Harry Potter Movies in HD, their clothes turn greenish in dark areas.
IE Half Life 2 in caves darkest spots turn also greenish.

I have problems with dark areas not showing up clearly and dark areas becoming greenish?

What are the optimal settings i can have my TV at contrast, sharpness, etc.. to prevent this from happening.

I will appreciate all the help i can get with this problem.

My set was a bit green out of the box. My understanding is that they push green as a rule. You can minimize the effect by adjusting your settings. I adjusted color saturation and hue/tint with Avia, then fiddled by eye. Since all sets are a bit different out of the box I'm not sure anyone else's settings will help you, but you can try. Do a search of this thread and you will see various results that others have posted over time. The ones posted below are for my HD component input. DVD component input is a bit different.

color = 41,
tint = -17 (red),
color temp = medium,
contrast = 36,
brightness = 49,
sharpness = 0,
lamp = low

Keep in mind that this is for accurate image reproduction on my set and may not look too good on yours. Worst that can happen is that you don't like it and change it back to the defaults. Good luck.

The information for the 56MX195 is available on the Canadian web site but not available on the US web site. Does this mean it's first being released to our good friends up north?

It uses what is referred to here on the forums as the HD4 "wombulated" chip, and features the advanced HLGLN circuitry.




HLGLN = Horrible Lower Gray Level Noise :)


actually the toshiba webstie has been updated and the 52hm95 and all the 95 series uses the hd2= dlp chip set!

Has anyone who owns a new 95 model confirm Toshiba's info? With the drastically lower msrps, I was sure they had moved to the HD3/HD4 chip. What is the pixel structure on the screen up close? Maybe I'll head out to Sears and see if I can tell.

Hi

Can anyone help me out on settings for connecting my HTPC with ATI X800xl to a Toshiba 62HM84. I have installed Powerstrip. Unfortunately I cannot find presets for DLP based rear projections TV of this model.

I am also using the Component cable. Would it be better to use a DVI to HDMI cable?

I have tried using DVDidle and ANYDVD to remove macrovision.

Thanks

A Dhanani

actually the toshiba webstie has been updated and the 52hm95 and all the 95 series uses the hd2= dlp chip set!

Well, the one I have "right in front" of me now uses a wombulated chip, so its hard to argue with that fact. Probably just a misprint on their site.

TI no longer uses the HDx nomenclature to identify their latest chips, so any reference by a mfg to this would be nothing but hype. We use the term "HD4" here on the forum, but it is really nothing more than a convienent way to sort the mess.

actually the toshiba webstie has been updated and the 52hm95 and all the 95 series uses the hd2= dlp chip set!
Is this chip set a good thing or bad? What maes it so in either case? Thanks!

I think it would be excellent if it were not for the other issues I have found with these sets, as there is no visually detectable SDE. There is a slight amount of SSE, not enough to be an issue. What some have found, including me, is that there are other important aspects to picture quality besides the chip they used. In this case, the circuitry is at fault, causing excessive noise in the lower gray levels.

I went and looked at a Toshiba DLP 52HMX84 today (Canadian version of the U.S. 52HMX94) and I was disappointed big time!. The noise/grain on the set was unbelieveable from 15 feet away. Even with sharpness on 0. The picture was slighly green and the overscan was whack on it. The noisey picture was enough for me to exclude it for purchase. High Def had a noisey picture also. LCD TV's I find are a lot sharper. I checked out a SONY LCD KF50WE620 and its not even this years A10 Sony model. The picture quality was excellent. I am going the LCD way if I replace my current Panasonic 53TW53 CRT RPTV. I might just stick with my CRT RPTV, but if I don't it will be LCD all the way for now. I realize this is all preference between DLP and LCD and both have their ups and downs, but to me and a few of my friends that work at electronic stores all said they prefered LCD and I can see why.

Took my computer, PS2, and XBox down and connected them to a 62HMX94 last night.

The PC has a ATI Radeon x800 Pro, and I connected it via DVI-HDMI. It recognized the TV inside the Catalyst Control Panel. Using Catalyst 5.9 drivers I had a bit of overscan at first at 1280x720, I'd say about 5% or so. I switched it to the HDTV resolution slightly lower than that and acheived 1:1 pixel mapping (perfectly clear text), but lost maybe a half-inch or so on the sides. All it all, looked good though.

Had no ghosting issues or anything of that sort. It was basically like my desktop monitor, only farking huge. BF2 looked damn sweet on it.

The PS2 I hooked up via component and played some Tekken 5 on it. I am very good at Tekken 5 (avid fighting game player), and even with game mode on I thought I could perceive the barest hint of lag. Had a bit of trouble doing a few just frame moves in the game (input windows between 1-3/60th of a second). It was so slight that I think most people would probably not even be able to perceive it, especially in any game that doesn't require the level of precision a fighting game does. Hell, most fighting game players wouldn't probably notice. It's usuable at least, though not perfect.

Having never hooked an XBox up to an HDTV before, I ran into a problem where the component cable I had brought (a Mad Catz PS2/XBox cable) wouldn't pass anything above 480p. This was with playing Halo 2, which I'm almost 100% sure works in 720p if not 1080i. One of the guys at the store said that you need to have the HD pack from Microsoft to get 720p or 1080i to work. Not sure if this is true, but I was disappointed nonetheless. I really wanted to see this game at the resolution it was meant to be played in.

All in all, I liked the TV, but given the price I'm sorely tempted to wait on the HP 1080p coming out in a month or so. It would cost a bit more, but it is 1080p through HDMI.

Quick question regarding the 52HM95 and the 52HMX95: Is it worth the money to have the second hdmi input on the HMX or could I get the HM95 and then buy another hdmi input/adapter? Not sure how much those cost. From my research, there is an average of $250 or so price difference between the sets. And yes I do want two hdmi inputs but not sure the best way to get it. Thanks and I apologize for the lame question,….