The Toshiba DLP (HM/HMX) Owners Thread [Text View] - Page 27

gosawx

09-27-06, 03:41 PM

Since you seem to be in the know about Toshiba bulbs, I figured you would be a good person to ask. I am about to receive a 52hmx85 that was purchased for me as a gift. I do not yet know if the bulb is covered under the extra year warranty.

What I do know is that spare bulbs cost ~400CAD from toshiba, but can be had for half that on ebay. I've already purchased one as a spare from a very reputable seller. Is it worth purchasing a few more? Do they have a shelf life? I'm just worried about the d95-lmp not being widely available down the road and having to pay 400$ (which is completely ridiculous) for a bulb. What do you think?

Can't you order it here for $199 (americen, not sure how this affects you, eh:):
http://ceaccessories.toshiba.com/product.asp?sku=2709468

Although, I think 2 bulbs is enough, if you look at Toshibas web site, the models listed with a life "less than expectations" do not include your model, only the "95" models. Hope this helps

sparrow_69

09-27-06, 03:49 PM

gosawx: I appreciate the help, but there are 2 errors in your post.

-The link you provided is the lamp for 2004 series toshiba televisions.
-Also, the 52hmx85 is the canadian version of the 95. They have both had lamp problems..

tks

solecraft311

09-27-06, 03:52 PM

Hello! Im moving saturday -- anyone have any tips for mobing my 52HMX84? Im a bit nervous! Its on a tv stand with wheels, so I thought I would wrap it in moving blankets and bubble wrap then strap it down with a couple ratchet straps. Then id just roll it up on to the moving truck. Think this will work?? Any input would be great!

Thanks!

solecraft311

09-27-06, 03:59 PM

I recently acquired pdf versions of the service manual for the 52-62hmx84 as well as for the 46-52-62hmx85. If anyone needs a copy, send me a PM and I'll send them over!

You've got a PM! :)

sparrow_69

09-27-06, 06:43 PM

e-mail sent solecraft311

bloodta

09-27-06, 09:35 PM

Thanks for the reply, but I don't think I have that Scale Down Grey Level menu...
Anyone have any idea what the firmware updates (after 1.2.1) do? Also, can I hook this TV (52HM94) up to my PC via the fireware ports?

Any help would be awesome.

rseven

09-27-06, 11:57 PM

I purchased a Toshiba 62HM15A at Costco in the spring. I ran into the bulb problem and returned it in early August. I purchased another 62HM15A, but this one was made in March after the bulb problem was reportedly fixed. The TV works fine, but I am a bit nervous about it. I checked with Costco and they told me if I was not satisfied i could return it without a problem. Costco now has the 62HM116 model which is a 1080P model as opposed to the 720 that I have. The hitch is that it is an additional $800. I have been playing Hamlet for the past week trying to decide if the newer model is worth the additional swag. I do plan to get an HD-DVD player in the coming months. We watch the TV from a distance of about 14 feet. How much of a difference will we see with the brighter bulb and the higher resolution? Do you think it's worth the extra $800? I am currently leaning in favor, but I am something less than sold.
Note: The 62HM116 is the only 1080 HDTV available at Costco and because of their great return policy I would not buy a TV anywhere else.
I just wanted to follow up on this post from last week. The Costco price came down $300 and my TV was making intermittent buzzing noises, so I made the plunge and returned the 62HM15A for the 62HM116. I am very happy that I did, and I want to thank the folks here who encouraged me. The black level on the 116 is remarkable compared to the 15A. The colors are richer and more vibrant and the image is sharper. While all of these things I expected, I got some added perks. It is significantly more compact while at the same time the stand has much more room for my gear. In addition, it is much more quiet when on and when it's off. Lastly, I am more comfortable with an 2006 Toshiba than an 2005 model that seemed to be problematic.

sparrow_69

09-28-06, 04:12 AM

Do different levels of contrast/brightness affect bulb life?

toenail

09-28-06, 07:11 AM

Do different levels of contrast/brightness affect bulb life?

No.

solecraft311

09-28-06, 10:37 AM

e-mail sent solecraft311

got it - thank you kindly!

BasicBlak

09-28-06, 01:02 PM

Actually, I think it was around March 1 of 2006 that the improved lamps started shipping.

I think you're right...The manufacturing date of my 52HM95 was January 2006; I bought mine February 2006 (TV set to Low Power mode) and the lamp blew in July, less than 6 months later with only minimal daily use. :mad:

TheGrub

09-28-06, 04:31 PM

It's been a while since i posted here... but now i'm a bit pi**ed off....

My 2nd bulb on my 52HM84 is about to POP !
It's starting to fliker alot and i don't give it more than 2 weeks before it pops.

My first bult lasted 1 year (about 2300 hours ). I changed it in september of 2005, and now, 2250 hours later, it's happening again !

I called toshiba and told them it made no sens that they advertise 6000 to 8000 hours for something that lasts 2300 hours. But they kept telling me it was not their fault but the bulb manufacturer's fault. Anyway they do not want to change it under warranty.

So, i will have to spend 300$ (CAN $) for this thing every year......

I hope they have fixed this issue with the newer version of their DLP line.

Anyone else with similar stories with their 84 DLP here ?

rseven

09-28-06, 04:48 PM

I don't blame you for being angry, nor do I think "it's not our fault" is a reasonable response from Toshiba. If it were me, I would try and get to someone higher in the Toshiba food chain to press my complaint. It is likely that the second bulb was as defective as the first and they should replace it. I would not take no for an answer. I would tell them that I would post this problem and their inadequate response at every forum on the internet and cost them future business. Saying you will hit them where it hurts the most is always the best way of getting their attention. I don't know how it works in Canada, but down here in the states I'd mention those great three words "Class Action Suit!"

sparrow_69

09-28-06, 08:13 PM

TheGrub: I know exactly how you feel. If you've looked at recent user's manuals, you'll see that Toshiba is no longer advertising the life of their bulbs.. Its probably bitten them in the ass too many times

Anyone know what the average life of a dlp bulb is for other manuf, say Samsung?

Traveler62

10-02-06, 04:14 PM

As I had mentioned some time ago, I did get the instructions on how to set these adjustments on a 62HM195 after having the Light Engine replaced and have done so successfully. I entered the service mode on the TV with the Avia calibration disk showing the overscan. Here is the list of adjustments with name, desc, & default value:

RCUT R CUT OFF 00H
GCUT G CUT OFF 00H
BCUT B CUT OFF 00H
GDRV G DRIVE 80H
BDRV B DRIVE 80H
RDRV R DRIVE 80H
BRTC BRIGHTNESS CENTER FDH
COLC COLOR CENTER C8H
UVTT BASEBAND TINT FEH
CNTX CONTRAST MAX 80H
CNTCG G CONTRAST CENTER 64H
CNTCR R CONTRAST CENTER 64H
CNTCB B CONTRAST CENTER 64H
HPOS H-POSITION 00H
VPOS V-POSITION 00H
CWDH COLOR WH DELAY (HIGH) 00H
CWDL COLOR WH DELAY (LOW) 74H
DMDB DMD BIAS 03H
OPT1 TV SET OPTION 1 74H
OPT2 TV SET OPTION 2 00H
OPT3 TV SET OPTION 3 01H
PLLW0 PLL WAIT TIME 14H
PLLW1 PLL WAIT TIME 03H
PLLW2 PLL WAIT TIME 0FH
PLLW3 PLL WAIT TIME 05H
PLLW4 PLL WAIT TIME 14H
PLLW5 PLL WAIT TIME 04H

To get to service mode:

Press the MUTE button on the remote twice.
Press the MUTE button and hold, then press the MENU button on the TV.
There should be an S shown on the TV.
Press the MENU button again on the TV and you should see one of the settings above.
Use the CHANNEL up and down to go between settings.
Use the VOLUME up and down to change the settings.
Turn off the power on the TV when done to exit the service mode.

Notes: I recommend not touching the Volume Button until you go through all of the settings and write down the hex values. Several of my values were not at default, so that should be expected.

When I adjusted the HPOS & VPOS, the HPOS value ended up being left at default (00H) and the VPOS was left at 09H. I did not mess with any other settings. I have noticed also that my two DVD players are slightly different in the scan, so you may want to check with at least two sources. I cheap DVD player may be your issue and not the TV. I use a Toshiba HD-D1 player through HDMI.

Please know what your doing here and don't cause yourself a service call!

Good Luck :)

epsilon

10-02-06, 08:12 PM

Here is the list of adjustments with name, desc, & default value:

Thanks for the post. By default values, are you referring to values as stated in the service manual, or values your TV had out of the box?

Edit:
Several of my values were not at default, so that should be expected.
I missed this bit. If you have two sets of values (service menu default & out-of-the-box), please post.

Traveler62

10-02-06, 09:33 PM

The default is the factory default setting from the instructions, not mine. I would figure that the TV is aligned before shipment, so some values are not at default. I have no way of knowing if a 56 or 72 inch would use the same defaults.

I posted this because I know some out there have had the light engines replaced and the service tech may not have aligned the image verticle and horizontal. I would not recommend anyone using these settings for anything other than to center the image if they need it.

I would be curious what others find for settings.

My settings that are different than default were:
BRTC 08H
COLC 89H
UVTT 00H
CNTX 7AH
CNTCG 74H
VPOS 09H
CWDL 6CH

bobbygrin22

10-03-06, 01:52 PM

The bulb just went south on my 2ND 52HM95. It got really dim and was not watchable at all. Called Toshiba yesterday and they are sending a new one out. This one 1230 hours on it.

sparrow_69

10-03-06, 11:30 PM

I recently received a Toshiba 52HMX85 as a present. I love the pic quality as well as the aesthetics of the TV. However, when the TV is off, i've noticed that light reflects off the tv in a strange way. It's almost as if background light reflects off the center portion of the screen more than from the sides. I've included a link to some pics. It almost seems as if the light reflects in an hour glass shape in the middle of the screen. Is this normal? I should add that I have not noticed this when the tv is actually on, only when it is off.

http://img215.imageshack.us/my.php?image=toy008cg1.jpg
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/2632/toy005ig7.jpg

I've closely inspected the screen and it does seem uniform to me, with no damage. Am I seeing some sort of reflection from the LE or some electronic part used on DLP televisions?

I've played with the lighting, and this effect is definitely not caused by the background light. This "shape" in the middle of the tv is present even when a single light source is used and moved around the tv. Furthermore, it is not caused by the flash. The use of a flash will show off this effect even more, but it is present nonetheless. Its something with the tv, I'm just not sure what...

Tks for any help
(by the way, pls disregard the wiring, it is not finished by any means)

lienly

10-03-06, 11:38 PM

look normal to me.
maybe b/c you engaged 'quick restart' function. when turn TV off, you still can see very dim light for about 4 min, then it's dark when lamp is really off.

I recently received a Toshiba 52HMX85 as a present. I love the pic quality as well as the aesthetics of the TV. However, when the TV is off, i've noticed that light reflects off the tv in a strange way. It's almost as if background light reflects off the center portion of the screen more than from the sides. I've included a link to some pics. It almost seems as if the light reflects in an hour glass shape in the middle of the screen. Is this normal? I should add that I have not noticed this when the tv is actually on, only when it is off.

http://img215.imageshack.us/my.php?image=toy008cg1.jpg
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/2632/toy005ig7.jpg

I've closely inspected the screen and it does seem uniform to me, with no damage. Am I seeing some sort of reflection from the LE or some electronic part used on DLP televisions?

I've played with the lighting, and this effect is definitely not caused by the background light. This "shape" in the middle of the tv is present even when a single light source is used and moved around the tv. Furthermore, it is not caused by the flash. The use of a flash will show off this effect even more, but it is present nonetheless. Its something with the tv, I'm just not sure what...

Tks for any help
(by the way, pls disregard the wiring, it is not finished by any means)

sparrow_69

10-03-06, 11:40 PM

quick start is enabled, but the tv had been off for hours when the pic was taken

magredc5

10-03-06, 11:42 PM

sparrow_69

10-03-06, 11:44 PM

Tks for the reply magredc5. Do you notice this at all while the tv is on?

Now I just need to clean up that damn wiring and get some new couches ;-)

magredc5

10-04-06, 12:07 AM

Tks for the reply magredc5. Do you notice this at all while the tv is on?

Now I just need to clean up that damn wiring and get some new couches ;-)

No - not with the TV on unless there is a real dark screen and I have a bright light on, but even then it's barely noticeable.

Shaner1

10-04-06, 03:25 PM

benjaminmarle

10-04-06, 05:41 PM

While here he pulled up the service menu, something I hadn't done in a while... I asked him to go to the screen that showed the lamp hours and I'm at 3938 on the original lamp. Next month will mark 2 years of having the set...

You do know you may have just jinxed yourself and your bulb will be blown in the next week. Damn...now that I said that, mine might blow this week too :eek: :D

Shaner1

10-04-06, 06:47 PM

You do know you may have just jinxed yourself and your bulb will be blown in the next week. Damn...now that I said that, mine might blow this week too :eek: :D

That's exactly what I thought as I posted the message. Although I figured it would blow by tomorrow. :)

ig0dyes

10-04-06, 06:54 PM

I have a question. Is there anyone with the 62HM195 and the Oppo 971?

I'm trying to get the best calibration settings for the Toshiba side to get the most out watching DVDs are 1080i.

common118

10-05-06, 03:12 PM

Traveler62

10-05-06, 03:30 PM

I got my 56HM195 delivered from buydig last week.I know something isn't right with the fan noise right away. When the TV is off, the noise level is at about refrigerator level. When the TV is on, it’s like the lower setting of a range hood, which I can hear from way outside of the room where the TV is in. We are not talking about Quick Restart feature here. To me, it’s barely acceptable if the noise level when the TV is on is at where the TV is off now.

A service technician is coming next Tue., and I’ll follow-up here on the solution. Does anyone have similar experience with Toshiba DLP? I've seen people saying how quiet Toshiba DLPs are compared with other brands, e.g., Mitsubishi. I’m a little afraid that I will be told by the technician "Yeah, it’s the way this kind of TV works."
I had a noise that I first thought was the fan, but ended up being the color wheel. The way I found out that it was the color wheel was I would change between different input sources to the TV and the pitch of the noise would change briefly. If it is a fan, that should be an easy change. If it is the color wheel, you might want to have them send another TV out and take that one back. You could have the Light Engine changed, but you are in the period that you can send it back. I had a cosmetic issue with my TV from Buydig and they were great at sending out another no charge.

i2k

10-05-06, 03:45 PM

When the TV is off? As in no status lights on the front, or during the 'cool down' yellow light blinking time"?

common118

10-06-06, 01:10 AM

Thanks a lot, Traveler62. You are definitely right that I took it for granted and thought "fan noise" is one single word. I followed your tip and tried to change the input source. Sure enough, I can hear the change of the pitch of the noise. I will call BD tomorrow and request an RMS. I reviewed your previous posts and am impressed with the way you dealt with the vendor.

Thing is, I'm not sure they will switch a set for me, because 1) the LE might be a common problem that's fixable, and 2) BD is currently out of 56HM195 after I ordered it. I'm ok if the service guy can fix the problem by replacing the LE.

Another question, when your TV is off, not a few minutes after viewing it, but has been off, say for hours or days, do you also hear a slight fan sound? I called Toshiba CS and was told that some fans in the TV will run constantly regardless. In this case, can I unplug the TV when I don't use it, if I don't care about TV guide, etc.?

Thank you very much for your help. :)

I had a noise that I first thought was the fan, but ended up being the color wheel. The way I found out that it was the color wheel was I would change between different input sources to the TV and the pitch of the noise would change briefly. If it is a fan, that should be an easy change. If it is the color wheel, you might want to have them send another TV out and take that one back. You could have the Light Engine changed, but you are in the period that you can send it back. I had a cosmetic issue with my TV from Buydig and they were great at sending out another no charge.

common118

10-06-06, 01:16 AM

Yes, I had the Quick Restart feature on, so during 10 or so minutes 'cool down' period, I hear a louder than normal sound, which I now believe it's from color wheel which may caused by a defective light engine, thanks to Traveler62's tip. But the constant sound I'm hearing is after the TV is off for a while, say, I watched the TV the night before and come back from work the next day, the sound is there. Not huge, but definitely audible from 15 feet. I called Toshiba CS and was told that some fans run constantly in the TV and this may be normal.

Is your set absolutely quiet when it's not in use?

When the TV is off? As in no status lights on the front, or during the 'cool down' yellow light blinking time"?

sparrow_69

10-06-06, 01:21 AM

common118: I would be very surprised if your model of tv should have a fan running constantly, even when off. What heat is the tv producing when off? Basically nothing I would guess. I'm thinking that there may be something wrong with the temperature sensor or circuit that controls the fan. I personally own a 52hmx85 and there is definitely nothing running while the tv is off. I should add that the fan/color wheel are very quiet even during use.

common118

10-06-06, 01:37 AM

Thanks for sharing, sparrow_69. I'll call the vendor tomorrow and wait for the tech come in next Tue. Will update here.

common118: I would be very surprised if your model of tv should have a fan running constantly, even when off. What heat is the tv producing when off? Basically nothing I would guess. I'm thinking that there may be something wrong with the temperature sensor or circuit that controls the fan. I personally own a 52hmx85 and there is definitely nothing running while the tv is off. I should add that the fan/color wheel are very quiet even during use.

David Scott

10-06-06, 01:44 AM

Don5328

10-06-06, 02:44 AM

A service tech was out to my house today to look at my 52HMX94 because it again has dust inside it (probably on the optical engine again because the dust is in the exact same spot as last time).

Anyone else having this problem with dust? Let me rephrase that, I should have said... Is anyone else having this reoccurring problem with dust in their set? It looks like blue smudges at the top and on the left side of the screen. (and yes we dust, vacuum and keep the house clean) :)

While here he pulled up the service menu, something I hadn't done in a while... I asked him to go to the screen that showed the lamp hours and I'm at 3938 on the original lamp. Next month will mark 2 years of having the set...

I have the 50HM66, and last night I noticed a light blue line across the top of the screen. It starts about 1 ft in from the left and is approx. 1/4 " at the start and 1" wide by the time it gets to the right edge. It is on all the inputs, even HDMI. Does this sound like your problem with dust? I have had the set since early June, and have been very pleased with its performance to date. Thanks for any help.

toenail

10-06-06, 06:30 AM

I have the 50HM66, and last night I noticed a light blue line across the top of the screen. It starts about 1 ft in from the left and is approx. 1/4 " at the start and 1" wide by the time it gets to the right edge. It is on all the inputs, even HDMI. Does this sound like your problem with dust? I have had the set since early June, and have been very pleased with its performance to date. Thanks for any help.

Common problem with this set. Toshiba is aware of the issue and will cover repair if it is still under warranty. Read below for more info.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=663974

Shaner1

10-06-06, 08:30 AM

I have the 50HM66, and last night I noticed a light blue line across the top of the screen. It starts about 1 ft in from the left and is approx. 1/4 " at the start and 1" wide by the time it gets to the right edge. It is on all the inputs, even HDMI. Does this sound like your problem with dust? I have had the set since early June, and have been very pleased with its performance to date. Thanks for any help.

That sounds just like the problem with my set. Keep an eye on it, if it's dust the blue line will grow.

Traveler62

10-06-06, 09:10 AM

common118

10-06-06, 11:08 AM

I just called buydig, described the problem and checked for the option of exchange. Got a quick NO. They claimed they don't exchange TV, period. All problem should go to manufactor. When I asked that some internet users did have the experience of replacing a defective DLP set with BD, I was told that truth wasn't be told by "those users" because BD never did that.

Well, I guess that's how internet shopping works, saved me a couple of hundred bucks but no service afterwards. Will wait for the tech guy.

If the tech guy does something to the light engine, either fix or replace, that shouldn't have some extra impact on other aspects of the TV, right?

I had a noise that I first thought was the fan, but ended up being the color wheel. The way I found out that it was the color wheel was I would change between different input sources to the TV and the pitch of the noise would change briefly. If it is a fan, that should be an easy change. If it is the color wheel, you might want to have them send another TV out and take that one back. You could have the Light Engine changed, but you are in the period that you can send it back. I had a cosmetic issue with my TV from Buydig and they were great at sending out another no charge.

common118

10-06-06, 11:10 AM

The fan running after the TV is off and cooled down is normal. This fan is cooling the tuner part of the TV that is always working, even when the TV is off for the TV Guide function. It shouldn't be too loud, but you will notice it running in a quiet room.

I currently have the TV Guide auto-on feature turned off. This is my second TV in basement, which I use to watch some weekend sports and late night movie, so I can't care less about the TV Guide feature. Can I turn the whole feature off? I mean not only the auto-on thing, but also don't have it run at the background to update the list. Not sure whether this will eliminate the offline noise.

Traveler62

10-06-06, 12:20 PM

The fan has no way of shutting it off that I know of. I don't recall BD having that policy of no returns on TVs. I thought they give you a certain time period where you could exchange or return and pay a stocking fee, but their site does say no returns. You may just want to wait and see what the service tech can do.

chemicalengineer

10-06-06, 12:39 PM

indil377

10-06-06, 01:42 PM

My 46HM95 started making a buzzing sound about a month before the warranty was up. Sounded like a bad fan. I get with Toshiba to have someone sent to look at my TV. An authorized shop calls and wants me to bring in the TV(45 minutes away). I told them the warranty was in home. They tell me they need to get authorization from Toshiba to get paid to drive to my home. These dudes call back a couple of days later and tell me that they haven't heard back from Toshiba yet on paying them mileage and that it would be much better if I bring the unit in and they would get to it as soon as it comes through the door. So, I decided to take the unit in.

After about 3 weeks they said it is fixed. I pick it up on a Friday night and the buzz is gone. Saturday morning, the buzz is back to stay again. So, I called the repair shop and told them they didn't fix it. They told me to bring it back in and I said no way. They are coming to my house this time. They said again that they had to contact Toshiba and get authorization to drive. I called Toshiba myself to see what the hold up was. Come to find out, Toshiba had already paid this place to make the trip to my house before I brought the unit in to them. Toshiba said they would have their legal department contact them.

A week later(today) Toshiba called and told me to contact the repair center to make arrangements to pick my set up. I called and the repairman was pretty pissed at me. He told me that TV's are supposed to make a little noise. I told him not like this they aren't. He then told me that I need to go home, turn the TV on, call him back and hold the phone to the back of the TV so he can hear the problem himself. I laughed at the guy and told him that may be the dumbest thing I have ever heard. So, I called Toshiba again. What a bunch of goof balls.

chemicalengineer

10-06-06, 02:25 PM

I had a 62HM95 and now I'm replacing with a 62HM196 due to various problems.

Toshiba has apparently removed IEEE 1394 ports from the new 62HM196 models. Therefore, I have no idea how I'm going to use my RCA Audio/Video Hard-drive for recording shows using TVGOS.

The TV is currently in route and I may have to refuse delivery if all I can do is use a VCR for recording.

Does anyone know if the new 62HM196 can be used with a AVHD? Can I use my existing RCA AVHD that has only IEEE1394?

I need to know quickly so I know whether to accept delivery of this TV. PANIC!!

Thanks.

I spoke with Toshiba and learned...... since the IEEE1394 port has been removed, it's now impossible to record in High-definition if using a 62HM196 (not possible USING ANY AVHD). Only standard def. can be recorded.

This is unacceptable (to me) and I will therefore refuse delivery of the TV.

I must say that Toshiba Customer Service is great. They are working with me to find a solution. The sets have a beautiful picture.

i2k

10-06-06, 02:41 PM

i2k

10-06-06, 02:43 PM

Don5328

10-06-06, 04:20 PM

That sounds just like the problem with my set. Keep an eye on it, if it's dust the blue line will grow.

Is it possible to fix this yourself by using a compressed gas duster, or does it require a technician? The set is still under warranty, and I also have an extended warranty with Best Buy.

toenail

10-06-06, 05:07 PM

Is it possible to fix this yourself by using a compressed gas duster, or does it require a technician? The set is still under warranty, and I also have an extended warranty with Best Buy.

Are you sure that's dust and not a part of the light engine drooping into the light path as documented in the 50HM66 thread? Your description fit the symptoms perfectly.

enmoco

10-06-06, 08:18 PM

http://www.tacp.toshiba.com/tacpass...hm66_56hm66.asp................Customer Support.........Updates/Notices.............Information for Owners of Toshiba 50HM66 and 56HM66 DLP® Televisions

sparrow_69

10-06-06, 08:31 PM

Don5328: your problem has nothing to do with dust. It's a manuf. defect. From what I remember, Toshiba "forgot" to add locking washers on a certain part of the tv, which sometimes comes loose with shipping. It ends up obstructing some of the light and you get the shadow

sparrow_69

10-06-06, 08:37 PM

Enmoco: since you seem to be very knowledgeable about dlp bulbs, I have a question for you ( or for anyone else that would know). My tv uses the toshiba d95-lmp bulb. How long can I expect this bulb to be available for purchase? Several years? Since our tvs are now discontinued and the new series uses a different bulb, should we be stocking up while they are available? Have any rp dlp/lcd users gotten screwed over by not being able to get their hands on a bulb, permanently? Doesn't the 42hm85 have that problem? I'm just afraid that several years down the road, I won't be able to get a replacement...

enmoco

10-06-06, 08:49 PM

As the technology is not that old and is evolving rapidly,there is no hard data to go on. I can say major mfgs. will not leave the record numbers of buyers of these displays hanging.I would say you won't have to worry about not being able to find a new lamp for a great many years.

enmoco

10-06-06, 09:14 PM

http://www.cablesnbulbs.com/bulbs.html http://www.tritronicsinc.com/cgi-bin/onramp.exe?pgm=itemdet_cs.bbx&id=23311153X&custnum=RETAIL&password=1139941124 http://www.hermanelectronics.com/ItemInfo.asp?Frecno=5134538http://www.alltvlamps.com/toshibalamps.html http://www.partstore.com/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductSKU=8365731&ProductType=PART&ModelID=610415 Replacement lamps sites in no particular order. Cost varies.....Last site is for a replacement Light Engine

enmoco

10-06-06, 09:22 PM

http://tv.about.com/od/dlp/a/DLPprojlamp.htm A very honest appraisal of lamp hours and issues. Imho...... :)

indil377

10-06-06, 10:02 PM

Replacement lamps sites in no particular order. Cost varies.....Last site is for a replacement Light Engine

Wow, that light engine has really came down in price. It was close to $800 in January. Same goes for the lamps. They were over $300 early in the year.

enmoco

10-07-06, 12:49 AM

:) :) :) :)

Don5328

10-07-06, 02:25 AM

gonzo321

10-07-06, 09:17 AM

Received my 62hm195 Thursday. Connected it to Comcast HDMI. Worked perfectly. Friday night get home from work and when I turn it on it makes like a turnsignal clicking sound from the back left side of TV and the pic changes brightness levels back and forth. Still getting cable signal. Thought it might be lamp not seated properly but it was. Even removing cable didn't help and no cs for the weekend! :eek: Any help would be appreciated.

i2k

10-07-06, 09:26 AM

Thursday - failed by Friday? Take it back to the store you got it from, there really isnt much else you can try except for unplugging it from the wall and trying again. Sounds like it could be the light engine.

gonzo321

10-07-06, 09:28 AM

Shipped....no return!

i2k

10-07-06, 06:08 PM

You better get on the phone to Toshiba customer service, I hope your experience with those clowns is better than mine and few others on here recently!

toenail

10-07-06, 08:23 PM

Thanks for the info. I will contact Best Buy, since they are local, and see what they will do.

You're welcome

plasmarc

10-08-06, 03:12 PM

Greetings!

I've been planning to buy a RP set for a year now and after reading AVS for two months I've managed to turn my brain to jelly and still, I think, converge on a decision. The 62MX196 looks like a great price/performance option and the right choice for me. I am not, however, as confident as I would like to be about this. The substance of my reservations lies in what appears to me to be the disappearance of Toshiba DLPs from the AV landscape. Toshiba's dealer locator for Austin brought up a screen that said, "20 dealers found" and actually contained 15. I called all of them. Not one had an MX. In fact, I couldn't find a single 196 series Toshiba DLP. Sam's Club had a 56HM16, which I'm guessing is a 66. Of course Costco has the HM116. But Sears doesn't have them, even on their website. BB has some online, but not in stores or in their system, nor do Fry's or Conn's. Online options for the MX with any discount are two of the usual suspects or some Fly By Night. Are retailers backing off because they lack 1080p input?

Where are they? People have been lining up to buy Sammys and Sonys and Mits by the truckload as soon as they're available and their forums are buzzing. This place is dead. Even Toshiba's website has this year's 1080 sets buried at the bottom of their product list under the 720s and last year's entire line. These sets have been shipping for a couple months right? What am I missing here?

rseven

10-08-06, 04:26 PM

I'm not sure you are missing anything, Plasmarc. I got one of those 116's at Costco and it is an outstanding TV. Furthermore, no one stands behind a product better than Costco. I understand your confusion because making the plunge into HD is a confusing decison to make with all of the competing technologies and companies. If it helps, no matter what you buy rest assured that it will be out dated in a few years, so a right decision is not all that much better than a wrong one. ;)

plasmarc

10-08-06, 06:46 PM

Argh. Ok, I just got off the phone with Lee at notOne notCall and what was certainly one of the most pleasant online ordering experiences I can recall. I'm now a member of what appears to be a woefully diminutive brotherhood of Toshiba DLP owners. I can only assume the small number of Tosh purchasers is due to the extraordinarily high level of intelligence, insight, and discernment necessary to recognize that Tosh rools. I also understand that people who own Toshiba products are better looking than people who choose other brands.

T minus 5-7 business days until delivery
62MX196

rseven

10-08-06, 07:10 PM

Lol! :d

i2k

10-08-06, 07:35 PM

gosawx

10-08-06, 10:21 PM

regmbe

10-09-06, 05:36 PM

Hello all,

I purchased a 56HM195 about a month ago on clearance at Sears. I wasn't in the market for a new tv, but the price was outstanding. (Even the wife agreed!) Got it home, hooked it up to DirecTV and thought the picture was pretty good. Then after a week or so, noticed the colors were not consistent - sometimes the faces were greenish or orangish or just "off". I think the fleshtones are the ones you notice the most. Started getting buyers remorse - especially after giving my old Hitachi big screen to my brother-in-law. (I know, I know). Tried using THX optimizer and my viewing was improved, but still ...
Last week I had cable installed and OMG, the difference in the picture is unbelievable. The HD channels are PERFECT. The PQ is amazing. Some slight differences on every channel, but very IMPRESSIVE. Even the SD channels are way better than anything D* was offering. It's even hard to watch some of the stuff we have stored on the D* Tivo at this point. Anyway, we are glad again we bought the Toshiba.
BTW, I had a problem with labeling / hiding the inputs. Switching from one to the next led to a dark screen that was only fixed by switching the tv on and off. Toshiba CS sent me the latest firmware and the problem is resolved.
Thanks for all the info from everyone on this board. :)

benjaminmarle

10-10-06, 06:34 AM

You do know you may have just jinxed yourself and your bulb will be blown in the next week. Damn...now that I said that, mine might blow this week too :eek: :D

See I was right. My bulb blew last night! :mad: Now I'm waiting for a new bulb. I know I had over 3000 hrs on it, low power mode. Oh well, hopefully the new bulb will arrive soon, glad I bought the exended warranty :D .

cicc85

10-10-06, 12:51 PM

See I was right. My bulb blew last night! :mad: Now I'm waiting for a new bulb. I know I had over 3000 hrs on it, low power mode. Oh well, hopefully the new bulb will arrive soon, glad I bought the exended warranty :D .

Speaking of Extended Warranties......I bought my 56HM195 in March of this year and never got around to purchasing an extended warranty. I've already been through one lamp that was replaced free of charge by Toshiba and know the next one is probably right around the corner. Can anyone recommend a good warranty package that covers both the TV and the Lamp?

Shaner1

10-10-06, 12:59 PM

plasmarc

10-10-06, 03:42 PM

Speaking of Extended Warranties..... Can anyone recommend a good warranty package that covers both the TV and the Lamp?

As soon as my TV is delivered (Monday) I'll be going here:

http://www.televisionwarranties.com/

celwin

10-11-06, 05:46 PM

As soon as my TV is delivered (Monday) I'll be going here:

http://www.televisionwarranties.com/

Can a warranty be purchased if the manufacturer warranty is close to being expired or already expired? All the 3rd party extended warraties I've come across requires the tv be under the manufacturer warranty upon purchase.

cubanos

10-11-06, 06:17 PM

I have a 56MX195 and when I turn on the television before turning on the Disnetwork receiver 622, I see that half of the screen(right side ) is lighter than the other side. this does not change overtime. Also, when watching DVD's (dark scenes) , I have observed that half of the screen(right side) is brighter than the left (it does not matter what DVD's. Is this normal? are my settings screwed up...should I call Tosihiba.... thank you

rseven

10-11-06, 07:44 PM

plasmarc

10-11-06, 11:02 PM

Can a warranty be purchased if the manufacturer warranty is close to being expired or already expired? All the 3rd party extended warraties I've come across requires the tv be under the manufacturer warranty upon purchase.

1-Year Manufacturer's Warranty - you have 9 months from the date of purchase of the television to purchase the RepairMaster extended warranty.

90-Day Manufacturer's Warranty - you have 30 days from the date of purchase of the television to purchase the RepairMaster extended warranty.

sparrow_69

10-12-06, 07:40 AM

Anyone know if the following UPS is sufficient for a 52hmx85? I'd like to be able to safely shut down my tv in case of a power failure?http://www.apc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=BE750BB&total_watts=200

My manual states that the avg power usage is 250W. This ups is rated for 7 minutes of runtime @ 400W

epsilon

10-12-06, 12:42 PM

You may want to call APC and ask. My experience with their tech support has been very good. FWIW, I have two of those and I'm very happy with them but am using them for PCs.

sparrow_69

10-12-06, 03:45 PM

Anyone have any experience with: http://www.televisionwarranties.com/

They are offering a 3yr bulb replacement plan (up to 2bulbs) for 99$ US

rseven

10-12-06, 04:01 PM

That is a very good deal. Perhaps, it's too good. How can a company stay in business replacing a $200+ bulb on a $99 warranty. I would venture to guess that most DLP's need a new bulb in three years. If this company goes bust then the warranty is worthless. I believe I would check out the prices of a Mack Warranty through Tapeworks. It will be more, but they will remain in business.
http://tapeworkstexas.com/mack_warranty_combo.html

HiHoStevo

10-12-06, 06:47 PM

Is the HM116 at Costco the same unit as the 196?

apaulct

10-12-06, 07:13 PM

Is the HM116 at Costco the same unit as the 196?

Yes, Costco's 62HM116 is a 62HM196 packaged with a stand. My 116 reports itself as a 196 on its status page.

HiHoStevo

10-12-06, 07:31 PM

Thank You...........

Costco tends to re-number all of their products which makes it a bear to figure out just what you are buying!!!

rseven

10-12-06, 07:40 PM

HiHoStevo, I have the 116. It's a very good buy and they stand behind the product to the point that an extended warranty is not needed. I'm sure the men on the street would endorse it. ;)

HiHoStevo

10-12-06, 07:50 PM

Yes, the Costco warranty is wonderful!

I just hope folks don't abuse it the way they did with the Computers at Costco and cause it to go away...........

Julio Bro!

10-14-06, 11:03 AM

...What they are doing is if your TV serial number falls within a certain range (as verified on their website), your original old style lamp will be covered for 2 years (instead of the standard 1 year warranty)...

Where does this information appears? Does it indicate which serial numbers? I bought my set in December 2004 and the lamp went out 2 days ago, so it may qualify for that "offer".

rseven

10-14-06, 12:14 PM

You'll find it here:
http://www.tacp.toshiba.com/tacpassets-images/notices/dlplamp.asp

Goldfingiz

10-15-06, 08:05 AM

Hey guys, just thought i'd chime in again. My 46HM95 still has that oily screen effect. Looks like a bunch of tiny different colored (mostly pink/green) dots all over the screen.

Is this normal? Some people are telling me it is, others are telling me it isn't. It's really starting to get to me. Any and all help would be very much appreciated.

Thanks!

If anyone could lend some insight on this, i'd really appreciate it!

rahull

10-15-06, 08:53 AM

If anyone could lend some insight on this, i'd really appreciate it!

If this was common you would see more complaints than the ones about lamp failure. Sounds to me like something you might see with analogue (not digital) signal noise. Usually random colored dots across screen. I wouldn't describe it as oily, oil would give more of a rainbow sheen. What is your signal source?

Julio Bro!

10-15-06, 06:59 PM

Damn! My model doesn't qualify. Oh well, anyway I'll help some in need. At this link:

http://www.allpartsnow.com/

From Vance Baldwin Electronics you'll find good prices for the lamps and lower shipping than others on the web. And if the TV is used for your business, the price could be lower.

Good Luck.

georgecortes

10-16-06, 11:52 AM

About to purchase a 72HM195. But can't decide if I should also purchase the matching stand. Like to hear what others think of the stand. It is St7285.I just purchased this unit from Buy_com, $2,499. I did not get the stand $399, I'm not sure I like it. I'm going to look locally for a stand that matches our entertainment center furniture...

George

loki993

10-16-06, 02:10 PM

so why do the toshibas not have 1080p inputs??? or do they?? the particular models im looking at are the cinema series. the MXs. also is there a 56mx196?? i cant seem to find any info on them. it just seems strange that every other manufacture seems to be including 1080p inputs on their sets and toshiba is not. why is that??

Wryker

10-16-06, 02:54 PM

The Toshiba's do not accept 1080p inputs - they wobbulate the pic to get 1080p.

Don1959

10-16-06, 05:56 PM

The Toshiba's do not accept 1080p inputs - they wobbulate the pic to get 1080p.

Wobulation has nothing to do with accepting a 1080p input, as far as I know all rear projection DLPs use wobulation....

Other Brands such as Samsung accept 1080p and they use the same chips as the Toshibas....

For some reason neither the 195s or 196s will accept a 1080p input... only Toshiba knows why.....

Don

MrNoto

10-17-06, 12:10 AM

Hi guys,
New here. I hope this is the correct forum for me to post this.

I arrived home from work today and switched my TV on but did not switch it to an active source (i.e. dish network, DVD, tivo) so the screen was black for about 5-8 minutes while I put some things away. When I looked back, the screen was flickering/strobe (not sure what the proper term is) continuously. I switched to Dish Network as the source and the flickering continued. Tried the DVD and Tivo source, same thing. The flickering/strobe is a magenta color and it takes over the whole screen. Cannot stare at it too long. Kind of looks like a flashing on/off japanimation cartoon, like the ones that were causing seizures a few years ago.

I purchased my 46HM95 DLP on Sept. 2005, so of course, the 1 year has expired. I had Toshiba replace the lamp/bulb around November or December.

Here is a photo... but you should view the video so you can see exactly what I am talking about. Please help. Thanks guys!

Photo:
http://www.web-realm.net/noto/TOSHIBA_46HM95/toshibaflick.jpg

Video (WMV format, 460KB):
http://www.web-realm.net/noto/TOSHIBA_46HM95/Toshiba46HM95.wmv

bkazepis

10-17-06, 07:38 AM

magredc5

10-17-06, 09:53 AM

After turning off and on it still does it?

Or unplugging it and replugging it?

MrNoto

10-17-06, 02:34 PM

Yes.... I had tried turning it off and unplugging and it would still be like that. I left it alone for about 30 minutes and when I turned it back on. It was back to normal. Weird. Any ideas why it would do that? First time it did it. Thanks for the replies guys.

sundowner8

10-17-06, 06:23 PM

PortiaN

10-17-06, 07:28 PM

We are seriously looking at the new Toshiba 72MX196. But we just had a rude awakening today in our shopping. We were in Circuit City (they do not have the toshiba, but we were looking at a Samsung and a Sony. We had them flip off their normal HD promos and had them flip over to SD programming off of cable. The picture was awful! (I guess come to think of it that was on a Mits). Our old CRT RPTV is dying. It is over 10 years old, the color is going, the convergence is screwed up, and the repair guy can't get the parts to fix it. We are going to have to buy a new tv really soon!

So given that my husband and I primarily watch Dish programming, do no gaming, and rarely if ever watch a DVD, we are concerned. I see that the Toshiba has both analog and digital tuners. Please tell me truthfully how your SD programming looks. Do you plug into the analog tuner part so that when you are watching SD programming that it looks better there?

I am really confused. At this point, if we could buy a projection TV that wasn't HD I think we would do it and just wait until there was more HD programming available. But please be honest and let me know what SD looks like on your tv.

Thanks a bunch!

Portia

rfr

10-17-06, 07:52 PM

[...]
Please tell me truthfully how your SD programming looks. Do you plug into the analog tuner part so that when you are watching SD programming that it looks better there?

I watch HD programming on my 62HM195 that isn't horrible. So, for example, I enjoy House, Las Vegas and the original CSI, but drek like CSI: Miami is intolerable despite the staggeringly gorgeous HD shots of Miami.

My most watched channels are both SD: Fox Soccer Channel and BBC America. Both of these are compressed hugely. (Perhaps conversion from foreign SD systems also hurts, but I don't know.) They look pretty awful most of the time. If they weren't so compressed, they wouldn't be so bad. SD channels that aren't compressed hugely, don't look too bad. Of course, personal standards vary -- my not-too-bad might be your unwatchable.

Tirconnell

10-17-06, 07:56 PM

bkazepis

10-17-06, 08:11 PM

Had a buzzing noise intermitently and had the set taken in to my local authorized repair guy (he wanted to take it to the shop due to its intermittent nature) Called him today and was told he ordered a new light engine :(

Just in time as only 2 months left on my warranty... :)

Already had a bulb blow now this...but I still love the TV! :D

bkazepis

10-17-06, 08:14 PM

Portia ,

I have a 62MX195 and am on Dish Network and it looks great , Had it for 10 months now and you will not regret it . I would suggest an Extended Service Contract . So Pop the Pop Corn and get that Toshiba Delivered . Circus City as well as most Retailers split the TV Signal over several TVs so Poor Picture Quality is no surprise . Your signal at home will be 100 times better . Happy Viewing ,,,

I agree, additionally, I never buy a TV based on the quality of picture in store. I do it based on reviews as you never know how much the signal is split etc....and one TV can be made to look better than the other on purpose due to higher profit margin, need to move it out, etc....one never knows...

Julio Bro!

10-18-06, 10:29 AM

I want to purchase a back-up lamp for my 52HM95, it requires a D95-LMP. Looking for advice on a recommended online vendor for this bulb. I'm a afraid that Ebay may have some older bulbs, so I want to deal with a seller that moves a lot of inventory.
Thanks

http://www.allpartsnow.com/

From Vance Baldwin Electronics you'll find good prices for the lamps and lower shipping than others on the web. And if the TV is used for your business, the price could be lower.

Good Luck.

magredc5

10-18-06, 11:00 AM

....Do you plug into the analog tuner part so that when you are watching SD programming that it looks better there?

Portia

If I understand the question correctly, the answer is you don't plug into the tuners separately. Your source determines whether the channel is analog or digital, and almost all SD programming on my Comcast service is digital. Digital does not mean HD.

So to answer your question, SD picture quality depends on several things including the original source quality and the compression. Some SD channels on my service are noticeably worse than others, but some are actually very clear and sharp.

Also remember that some of the local HD channels actually are displaying SD content - they're only transmitted on the HD channel but the content is SD and it does not look any better than watching the same non-HD channel (i.e. CBS Evening News). You'll see the black bars on both sides of the picture when this is is the case since SD content is formatted as 4:3 and then packaged onto HD's 16:9 screen size.

I've had my 195 for a year and can say that I've very satisfied with SD in general, but you also have to be sure you're not sitting closer than reasonable for the size of the screen. SD picture quality is really what determines the size of the screen based on how big your room is. I sit about 15 ft away from my 62" screen, and sometimes think that the 56 would have been enough. But HD is amazing.

Also, my understanding is the satellite service uses higher compression than cable so the negative impact on picture quality is greater.

Just some things to consider.

plasmarc

10-18-06, 01:30 PM

My 62MX196 arrived Mon but I didn't get a chance to set it up until last night. Initial impressions:

I love this TV. The black looks great, and it's definitely not too big. ;) HD channels look terrific and most SD looks better than I expected. I haven't done any tweaking beyond turning off edge enhancement and knocking down the contrast. (set to 100) So far no RBE, but I'm seeing a little more SSE than I'd like. I'm hoping some fine tuning can reduce it. At this point I'm very satisfied with the set. I just wonder why Toshiba's marketing strategy is to keep this baby a secret.

Pix in a couple days.

schlegs5480

10-18-06, 01:45 PM

plasmarc

10-18-06, 01:48 PM

We are seriously looking at the new Toshiba 72MX196. . . Our old CRT RPTV is dying. . . So given that my husband and I primarily watch Dish programming, do no gaming, and rarely if ever watch a DVD, we are concerned. . . Please tell me truthfully how your SD programming looks. . . I am really confused. At this point, if we could buy a projection TV that wasn't HD I think we would do it and just wait until there was more HD programming available. But please be honest and let me know what SD looks like on your tv. Portia

First of all, you may be watching more HD than you think. Most network programming is now HD in prime time and there are plenty of HD movie and sports channels, Discovery, etc. I assume you're going to have your new TV for awhile, and programming will only get better. Second, SD might be better on the Tosh than what you're accustomed to. I have a friend with a five year old Sony 57" CRT RP and SD PQ on my 62MX196 is vastly better. The only obvious caveat I would offer is that if SD PQ is a serious consideration for you, you may want to consider a smaller screen size.

a.b.christie

10-18-06, 07:34 PM

If the light pattern indicates a bad bulb it could also be the Ballast. I,ve had mine go out twice and it looks like it;s gone again.

vfr781rider

10-18-06, 08:14 PM

I am really confused. At this point, if we could buy a projection TV that wasn't HD I think we would do it and just wait until there was more HD programming available. But please be honest and let me know what SD looks like on your tv.

Thanks a bunch!

Portia

I have the 62" 2005 MX and SD looks quite acceptable. HD spoils you though so that any non-HD programming is obviously nowhere close. I agree with plasmarc in that my experience is that most of what I watch is in HD. Of course, I'm mostly a sports guy. NASCAR Cup is all HD, most NFL is HD OTA as well as DirecTV SuperFan, most college FB is HD with ESPN and ESPN2 HD as well as OTA HD, and ALL prime time TV that we watch is HD.

I am sitting here at the moment watching a Nashville Preds game in SD about 15 feet away and it looks quite good. Figure out how far you will be sitting from the set and don't get one too big just to have big :) 10 to 12 feet is fine for a 62". If you will be 15 feet or more, the 72 should be what you need.

bkazepis

10-18-06, 10:12 PM

Has anyone had to pay to replace a light engine? I recently replaced the lamp although the display did not show signs of the lamp going bad. The display doesn't turn on. I was told that it could be the light engine. The TV is out of warranty by a few months. Any suggestions???

From what I understand the Light Engine is $2,000+ so its not worth paying for in my opinion. You might want to look into a new TV :(

As an alternative, throw yourself on the mercy of Toshiba cust service..cant hurt...one never knows....

Good Luck!

enmoco

10-18-06, 11:12 PM

http://www.partstore.com/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductSKU=7699344&ProductType=PART&ModelID=429697 little better??Good luck.................. :)P.S. Actually,this one is higher than mine,a 1080p, 195 series.

enmoco

10-18-06, 11:26 PM

From what I understand the Light Engine is $2,000+ so its not worth paying for in my opinion. You might want to look into a new TV :(

As an alternative, throw yourself on the mercy of Toshiba cust service..cant hurt...one never knows....

Good Luck!You really should have a reputable service company tech come and evaluate.A possible solution is the lamp ballast.....Sorry,addressed to wrong poster......... :)

enmoco

10-18-06, 11:33 PM

:) http://www.partstore.com/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductSKU=8365731&ProductType=PART&ModelID=610415 Case anyone is wondering about a LE for the 56HM195.........

enmoco

10-18-06, 11:37 PM

bkazepis

10-19-06, 07:35 AM

:) http://www.partstore.com/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductSKU=8365731&ProductType=PART&ModelID=610415 Case anyone is wondering about a LE for the 56HM195.........

Wow...at least the price is a manageable one....good to know... :D

smokin

10-19-06, 09:00 AM

Has anyone had to pay to replace a light engine? I recently replaced the lamp although the display did not show signs of the lamp going bad. The display doesn't turn on. I was told that it could be the light engine. The TV is out of warranty by a few months. Any suggestions???

Schlegs :cool:

Make sure you have the lamp door correctly installed there is a switch which must be in place for the set to activate. :)

Smokin

Goldfingiz

10-20-06, 11:07 PM

If this was common you would see more complaints than the ones about lamp failure. Sounds to me like something you might see with analogue (not digital) signal noise. Usually random colored dots across screen. I wouldn't describe it as oily, oil would give more of a rainbow sheen. What is your signal source?

Thanks for the reply! The "dots" are always on the screen when the TV is on. Whether i'm watching digital cable (HD or not) or playing XBOX 360, they're there. Would you say this is an issue with my set?

mcarr45

10-20-06, 11:16 PM

hey nikonosis,
did you ever resolve your color banding issue? i've had my 56hm195 since 9-13-06. i bought it at Fry's with a build date of 3-11-06. for the first couple weeks i had no problems however while watching a football game (via Directv HD) the screen turned magenta, image started scrolling towards the left and a 1/4" light blue line presented itself on the right side of the screen from top to bottom. i turned off set twice before the image went back to "normal". since that time i have noticed severe color banding and blothiness. Called TCS and was advised to have local service look at set.
tech arrived today and as i described problem to tech he said that was just the way these sets work. after showing him the problem from all inputs and different material he agreed it was the worse case he has seen and took the set to the shop however if he can not repeat the color, scrolling problem there may not be much that can be done. this is an issue of concern for me. if the color banding problem was present BEFORE the color/scroll problem i did not notice it.
if anyone has any insight i'd be happy to hear it.

sparrow_69

10-21-06, 04:02 AM

Anyone here experience digital noise when viewing dark scenes HD & SD feeds on a 52hmx85? I noticed these coloured moving dots last night while playing some xbox 360. I had not noticed it before. Some other ppl. seem to have noticed the same problem: http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?p=273668#post273668

I've tried other inputs and always have the problem. The noise is definitely not coming from the source material. Furthermore, the noise is still apparent when the image is paused. It kinda looks like snow on dark images only, it doesn't show up on brightly lit scenes/games. Any ideas?

thesubmittedone

10-21-06, 09:21 AM

Anyone here experience digital noise when viewing dark scenes HD & SD feeds on a 52hmx85? I noticed these coloured moving dots last night while playing some xbox 360. I had not noticed it before. Some other ppl. seem to have noticed the same problem:

I've tried other inputs and always have the problem. The noise is definitely not coming from the source material. Furthermore, the noise is still apparent when the image is paused. It kinda looks like snow on dark images only, it doesn't show up on brightly lit scenes/games. Any ideas?

I'm a proud owner of a 52hm95. I've noticed the same thing lately. Seems like it's sometimes there and sometimes not.

Another thing that bothers me about this TV is this sort of white circle that sits in the middle of the screen. It's really noticeable when the TV is off, but you can see it at other times when it's on, depending on the source material. For instance, Dead Rising on the Xbox 360. It's completely noticeable on every cut scene. Once that cut scene is over it's gone. Weird.

Anyone know anything about this stuff? Looked through this massive thread quite a few times and haven't been able to get a clear answer. Thanks in advance :)

rseven

10-21-06, 09:55 AM

Guys, I have never used an Xbox 360, so my knowledge is quite limited, but the TV does have a DNR control. I suppose you have tried it already, but just in case you overlooked it I thought I'd mention it.

sparrow_69

10-21-06, 10:25 AM

I have indeed tried the DNR setting, without any luck.

I've spoken with Michael TLV (calibrator from the Laser Video experience) here is what he had to say:

graininess in the dark areas ... is normal for DLP sets of this class and pricepoint. A bunch of round dark green rocks so to speak.

I hope your TV is properly calibrated with at least a test disc .... that helps a bit.

Also ... how close are you sitting to the screen? That matters a lot too.

regards

McGowan <mikedan@videotron.ca> wrote:
Hello Michael. I just today noticed image noise on my 52hmx85 (a few wks old) . It looks like snow. It shows up on hd/sd feeds (xbox 360 games, dvd movies, both connected with component cables) and only shows up in dark areas. It is also apparent when the image is paused. I've seen the problem described here: http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?p=273668#post273668

I'm wondering if there is anything that can be done. I have a service manual.
Tks

Michael @ The Laser Video Experience

Man, this REALLY sucks...

plasmarc

10-21-06, 11:45 PM

If anyone's interested, I have pix of my 62MX196 posted in successive messages in the owners thread here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8712612&&#post8712612

waited18years

10-24-06, 01:09 PM

I'm a proud owner of a 52hm95. I've noticed the same thing lately. Seems like it's sometimes there and sometimes not.

Another thing that bothers me about this TV is this sort of white circle that sits in the middle of the screen. It's really noticeable when the TV is off, but you can see it at other times when it's on, depending on the source material. For instance, Dead Rising on the Xbox 360. It's completely noticeable on every cut scene. Once that cut scene is over it's gone. Weird.

Anyone know anything about this stuff? Looked through this massive thread quite a few times and haven't been able to get a clear answer. Thanks in advance :)If the bright area goes away when the room is darkened it is probably caused by the screen/mirror/lens/DMD collecting and reflecting room light.

bearcat13444

10-24-06, 02:24 PM

Feature wise what is the difference between62hm116 and 62hm116?

bearcat13444

10-24-06, 02:25 PM

That previous should read 116 vs 196

rseven

10-24-06, 03:32 PM

They are identical TV's. The 116 comes packaged with the stand.

HainKurt

10-24-06, 10:24 PM

I bought 50HM66 saturday (3 days ago) and returning this saturday...

I had problems with this tv... This is my second HDTV (first was LG Plasma 42", returned because of ghost images on screen, menu items, "no source", logos etc..). I checked this tv for months in stores and I have never noticed any problems... When I installed and watced 2-3 hours, I started seeing rainbow effects... First I was seeing when I turned my head out of screen, then with every blink of my eyes :) When I blink, I see lots of greens blues reds lines & spots everywhere on screen, especially on the edges of shapes and mostly bright objects on dark background... Then when I try to read the captioning (white on black), the letters started to show like rainbow. I have headache for 3 days...

Decided, DLP is not for me... Now I bought Sony KDF - 46E2000. I hope i do not get same things with this tv, since this is LCD projection. Yesterday I went to a Best Buy store and checked Sony 30 minutes, and did not notice anything...

The other issue is I cannot get closed captioning work... I tried all options, but I do not see any caption... The only caption I see is coming through cable box, not tv itself... Because I changed all formatting of captioning, but it stills shows CAPITAL, white on black, and it is streched with the image when I changed the size of the picture (it is coming through digital cable box, not TV)... I tried component cables and HDMI cables, but still I cannot get it...

The other issue is I really did not like the remote and I wanted to use my cable remote (it is also a universal remote that came with my cable box, Rogers box). I tried and found the code of this TV (0156, also tried all other codes for toshiba TV) but I could not find the ENTER/SELECT button on cables remote. I can open the menu, nevigate but cannot select anything. When I press on Select/Enter on remote, selection disappears and focus goes to top menu, as if it is ChReturn button... So... I am using tons of remotes right now :) Is there anyone who uses another remote to operate this TV (50HM66)?

Except these... this tv (Toshiba) is really one of the best TVs I have ever seen... I wish I could keep this...

Thanks...

Goldfingiz

10-25-06, 12:33 AM

enmoco

10-25-06, 02:10 AM

I noticed the 56HM195 is very cheap for what it is. Just wondering if anyone owns this TV. I'm really looking into getting it. Is there anything I should know? I currently own a 46HM95 and aside from all the tiny dots on the screen that I posted about, I think it's nice. I'm mainly looking to get a new set for HDMI and 1080p (PS3 is coming soon) :oInexpensive is a better choice of words. It's a great bargain at $1500 now. I got it for $1680 back in Dec of '05.That was a fantastic price back then. You will be very happy.Toshiba had a limited run of bad lamps in these sets early on. Check mfg.date.After April or May of '06 would be a safer bet as to avoiding this documented run by serial number here http://www.tacp.toshiba.com/tacpassets-images/notices/dlplamp.asp ............it's a great display,enjoy....... :)

enmoco

10-25-06, 07:41 AM

http://www2.butterflyphoto.com/shop/product.aspx?sku=56HM195&cm_mmc=BizRate-_-Toshiba-_-RPTV%20-%2050%2060%20Inch-_-56HM195%2056%22%20DLP%20Projection%20TV ..........actually$1579...new unit....... :)

georgecortes

10-25-06, 12:03 PM

Yesterday was an orgasmic day...! The 72" Toshiba is magnificent, and I have yet to calibrate it. In spite of its large screen, the unit is surprisingly slim and relatively light. My previous unit was a 65" Toshiba CRT and I was quite happy with it, but the DLP engine and some other improvements make the 72" unit far, far superior... A word of caution: do not place this TV on any stand other than the one designed for it... I didn't like at first, and intended to buy an actual piece of furniture, but Toshiba cautions you of the instability of the TV over a plain stand... and after seeing the TV I bought the Toshiba stand.

The Oppo DVD player was beyond my expectations. I was considering the 970H because I was told the Faroujda chip in the 971H increases the effect of macroblocking on DLP units unless the TV has been carefully calibrated. Well... I didn't see any macroblocking. I upconverted the Austin Powers DVD to 1080i, and the display was pretty close to high definition, with constant WOW expressions from my wife and the two sons watching (both real techies). We also tried a couple of other reference DVD movies with similar results... This is my first HDMI experience, and the vibrancy of the color is outstanding. At $199, this DVD player is a steal...

George

bearcat13444

10-25-06, 03:29 PM

I am contemplating on getting a 62hm or mx 195 but some of the comments seem to indicate that the 195 are more susceptable to bulb burn out. also I am trying to make decision between new and refurb. Would definitely get an extended warranty with refurb. Any comment and or concerns would be appreciated.

shelly

10-25-06, 03:51 PM

I'd be interested in hearing about the color management system.

My Sanyo front projector allows you to place a cursor on any color on the screen, freezes the pic and allows for adjustment to the color level, tint and gamma. This is great for removing yellow from green, removing orange from red et al. It works great.

The 62MX196 has a color management sysem that allows for, I think, these same level, hue and gamma corrections for the 6 colors of red, green, yellow, blue, magenta and cyan.

This tool could be what makes be decide on this unit over the others I am considering. I would appreciae any fedback on it.

And, in regards to bulb failurres, is it not true that this problem has been corrected with the 196 models, and had been confined to the 195 models?

Thanks. Shelly

shome

10-25-06, 10:15 PM

Hey all,

Yesterday the Light Engine was replaced in my 56HM195. Well the lines on the screen somewhat disappeared, but now there is a new problem.

When the screen is completely black, like flipping through channels, a really dark movie etc, Half of the screen is Dark/gray (but not quite Black), the other Half is almost White!! Split right up the screen!

Anyone have, or know who's had a problem like this? I think that it maybe time to get TCS involved in this 'cause it's getting ridiculous... First a Bulb and Outter Screen replacement, then a Light Engine replacement, only to end up like this...... :(

Anyone with ideas on the problem?

Thanks *sigh*

i2k

10-26-06, 07:07 AM

Wow... new tv time.

movies123

10-29-06, 08:11 AM

I have a 52 inch toshiba dlp television (HM195) and am using HDMI to watch hd dvds with their new hd dvd player. My question is, why is it that the movies that are coming out do not fill my entire screen (the black bars are very visible). HD DVD movies I see on HBOHD do this (for example BATMAN BEGINS fills up the screen on cable but on the hddvd, the black bars are there). I bought a widescreen hdtv so that the picture would fit. Can anybody help me with this.

Also I'm thinking of purchasing the 1080p 62 196 from toshiba. I read it doesn't due native 1080p. How important is this for the tv's future. I don't want it to be obsolete in 5 years.

gosawx

10-29-06, 08:28 AM

1) HD DVDs (and many DVDs and Cable movies) are presented in their origianl aspect ratio that was used to make the movie. There are MANY aspect ratios used when making movies. One of them is 16 x 9 the others are not, hence your black bars. You are watching the movie the way the director intended (and the preferred format by most A/V nuts, so prepare for some less-than- nice responses)

Second, the sets DISPLAY is 1920 x 1080 pregressive. They are 1080p. They, along with MOST other sets accept 1080i, interlace, or re-asse,ble it, to view the 1080p signal. be aware, that this only applies to 1080p sources, like HD DVD, not broadcast, as broadcast is 1080i, or 720p. No worries

i2k

10-29-06, 08:41 AM

So when the set receives a 1080p source it will convert it to 1080i then back to p?

gosawx

10-29-06, 08:43 AM

you would set the output for the source (or , like the SAMSUNG BD player, it would do it itself) for 1080i. But remember the ONLY sources right now we're talking about are the new hi-def Optical formats, and the way they handle the 1080p/24 information on the disc is a whole other can of worms altogether

Suffice it to say that whatever the incoming source, you'll end up watching 1080p

movies123

10-29-06, 09:01 AM

thanks. looks like I'm leaning more and more toward the 62. any 62 dlp owners out there experience any problem with their tv's? my current 52 dlp had initial bulb issues but now works fine but I've heard some nightmares about fans and color wheels. I love the toshiba dlp brand and would like my new tv to be toshiba just want to make sure I know what I'm getting in to.

wstanko

10-29-06, 09:05 AM

I have a 52 inch toshiba dlp television (HM195) and am using HDMI to watch hd dvds with their new hd dvd player. My question is, why is it that the movies that are coming out do not fill my entire screen (the black bars are very visible). HD DVD movies I see on HBOHD do this (for example BATMAN BEGINS fills up the screen on cable but on the hddvd, the black bars are there). I bought a widescreen hdtv so that the picture would fit. Can anybody help me with this.

If you watch the movie in a darkened room with a nightlight behind the set, you will feel like you are in the movies and the bars will "disappear."

enmoco

10-29-06, 09:07 AM

If you watch the movie in a darkened room with a nightlight behind the set, you will feel like you are in the movies and the bars will "disappear."lol

wstanko

10-29-06, 09:20 AM

lol

I do not know why you said this. Is it because you do not do this and do not think it to be a successful technique for enjoying movies?

Since I do it successful with every DVD I rent, I need no luck.

magredc5

10-29-06, 12:14 PM

So when the set receives a 1080p source it will convert it to 1080i then back to p?

The set does not accept 1080p. The source will need to be 1080i, and the set displays it at native 1080p.

magredc5

10-29-06, 12:16 PM

IAlso I'm thinking of purchasing the 1080p 62 196 from toshiba. I read it doesn't due native 1080p. How important is this for the tv's future. I don't want it to be obsolete in 5 years.

It is a native 1080p set (native refers to display resolution). It does not accept 1080p source, only 1080i (see above).

enmoco

10-29-06, 01:11 PM

I do not know why you said this. Is it because you do not do this and do not think it to be a successful technique for enjoying movies?

Since I do it successful with every DVD I rent, I need no luck.lol.........laugh out loud.................not lots of luck. :) I suppose I should be thankful you didn't think it meant lots of love......... :)

i2k

10-30-06, 06:13 AM

Lol

shome

10-30-06, 07:16 AM

enmoco

10-30-06, 11:09 AM

Lol........ ;)

scub0y

10-30-06, 12:12 PM

Ok, please don't beat up on me for asking this .. I'm trying to decide on a DLP to replace my 51" RCA. I've narrowed it down to 4 models and, "politics" aside I'd love to get your (albeit biased) opinions on why I should get the Toshiba over Sony or Panasonic (I don't know enough about these units to make a decision). And yes, I understand that the Sony isn't DLP.

Panasonic PT-56DLX25
Sony KDF-55E2000
Toshiba 56HM66
Toshiba 56HM195

What's the difference between the HM195 and the MX195?

I swear, shopping for a new car is easier than this!!!

(thanks :) )

GT1Boy

10-30-06, 01:08 PM

What's the difference between the HM195 and the MX195?
)MX195s have a black bezel (grey on the HM195) and add PC Input (15-pin D-sub), THINC Ethernet Port, Virtual Dolby Digital Surround, and TheatreLink IR Input to HM195s' features. The PC input is nice for connecting an Xbox 360(upscales DVDs) and I like the look of the glossy black bezel, but I have found the other features to be almost useless. The THINC application for listening to MP3s and viewing photos from a networked PC has a horrible UI. Either TiVo with Galleon or an Xbox 360 is much better for this.

gosawx

10-30-06, 04:53 PM

jdan471

10-30-06, 09:50 PM

gosawx

10-30-06, 10:05 PM

If I recall on my set (56HM195) the light blinks while the set is iff, but the quick estart feature is still"on", meaning that there is still a little juice going to the bulb, so when you turn it back on, it comes on right away. It stops blinking after a few minutes, showing that the set is fully off.

look at radioshack for the cable, it's list a 1/8" mini jack on each end

How do you like the set?

rseven

10-30-06, 10:29 PM

The blinking yellow light is normal when you have the bulb set for quick restart. You can find a GLink cable here. (http://parts.pioneerelectronics.com/part.asp?productNum=ADH1030)

Goldfingiz

10-31-06, 03:21 AM

Tomislav

10-31-06, 04:50 AM

Pardon me for not going through all 223 pages of the thread ;) , but do the XX96 series have the same amounts of bulb problems as reported with the XX95s?

jdan471

10-31-06, 07:25 AM

This set replaces our 52" Toshiba set. I love it. Now just need a larger room to put it in. That or make my wife move some of her "stuff" out of the way.

The Toshiba site does not have the manual for this model posted yet. Any suggestions on where to get the manual?

Thanks for the tips on where to get the link.

gosawx

10-31-06, 07:26 AM

Thanks for the input on the 56HM195 everyone! So this set won't be able to accept a 1080p signal via HDMI, or will it? Reason i'm asking is because the PS3 is coming soon and i'd like to output at 1080p from the system.

No it won't, but that does not matter, as the set will interlace (reassemble) the 1080i signal into a 1080p signal, so there will be no difference for you

gshelley61

10-31-06, 09:13 AM

Just bought a floor display model 62HM196 from Best Buy with no manual or cables. Toshiba site does not have it posted yet.
1. Turned the set off and the yellow lamp light is flashing. Can someone tell me why it is doing that? Didn't do it last night when I turned it off.
2. Where is the best place to order a Glink cable?

Thanks
Jerry

Here's a link to download the manual for the 62HM116, which is the Costco version of the 62HM196 (exactly the same unit)...

http://www.tacp.toshiba.com/tacpassets-images/models/62HM116/docs/62HM116_om_e_rev1.pdf

jack72

10-31-06, 09:28 AM

I finally fot the set...yeah for me :) :)

A couple of question to some tha have this set.

1) On some of my HD channels I see a white line at the top of the screen. If I change the screen size to different settings it moves on the screen to the top of the picture. depending on the screen format.

It looks like this (of course the pattern is wrong) ..__..._____.....__......___..._

Is this white line normal..

2) When I look at the settings it always says the viewing is at 480...how do I change this to 720 or 1080.

gosawx

10-31-06, 09:40 AM

jack72, are you using a cable box? If so, what kind?

jack72

10-31-06, 10:11 AM

Thanks for the response gosawx...

Yes, I am using a cable box. I live in Canada,,and the boxes is supplied by Rogers cable and the name is Pace...

gosawx

10-31-06, 04:28 PM

Thanks for the response gosawx...

Yes, I am using a cable box. I live in Canada,,and the boxes is supplied by Rogers cable and the name is Pace...

look in the settings for the box. look at video ouput or something like that in the set up menu. You should be able to set what the cable box outputs somewhere in there. The TV is reporting only what it is reveiving.

You are connecting it to the HDMI or component input on the TV right?

magredc5

10-31-06, 04:48 PM

Thanks for the response gosawx...

Yes, I am using a cable box. I live in Canada,,and the boxes is supplied by Rogers cable and the name is Pace...

Agree with gosawx.

The line you are seeing probably has moving portions in it similar to binary information. That is similar to VBI data that gets sent over the video signal on channels - that data is usually not seen because normally the video image is presented to the screen with that data outside of the viewable area.

Your cable box is probably outputing the video signal in a format that does not scale the image to hide this line. You should make sure the output of the cablebox is set to 1080i or 720p.

jack72

10-31-06, 05:03 PM

Thanks guys for your help...

I am not techincal at all.. but I will call the cable company to see what they can tell me by looking in at the setup.

I have an HDMI cable, but don't know where to plug this in the back of the TV and cable box. The connection is like a USB connection, but I don't see an equivlant behind the cable box.

gosawx

10-31-06, 07:54 PM

do you have something that kinda looks like a printer connection? That is a DVI connector, you can get an adaptor to make that HDMI. How do you now have it connected to your set?

jack72

11-01-06, 08:51 AM

I will look tonight, thanks Gosawx

geonex88

11-01-06, 02:35 PM

Just as a note:

HDMI to DVI converters result in a loss of color information. I would suggest picking up a DVI to HDMI cable instead of using an adaptor.

masamunecyrus

11-01-06, 04:32 PM

I tried played Smash Bros. Melee on a 62HM196 and can confirm that there is a minute amount of lag, even with game mode. However, the lag is VERY small, and almost unnoticeable. If I hadn't played Smash Bros on a standard TV before playing it on the Toshiba, I wouldn't have noticed the lag, but because I had a normal TV to compare it to, there was definitely some lag there.

The lag was very, very minute, though, and even smaller with Game Mode turned ON. If you aren't the type to notice lag, or if you don't play timing-based games, you probably won't notice the lag at all, so I'd recommend buying it. It looked spectacular, and its price tag is unbeatable. But if you're anal about HDTV lag times, you might want to head to your local Best Buy or equivalent and ask them if you can plug your game console into it before dropping $2,000 to get it.

jesyjames

11-02-06, 11:27 AM

Well, less then a year after replacing the bulb in my 46hm84 it blew again. We don't even watch that much tv...

Shaner1

11-02-06, 09:41 PM

My 52HMX94 went into the service center on Monday for the dust problem I've been having. The service tech called Toshiba to see what he could do about it and Toshiba said that the light engine from this model has defects that allow dust in and causes the "smudges" on the screen. Toshiba is sending them a new light engine to install.

Here I thought they would only clean it again and try to seal up the light engine (optical block is what they told me last time) better... again...

I wanted to post this in case anyone else is having the same issues with the blue smudges (dust) with their tv. Hopefully this cures the problem.

Cheers

rpvp40

11-02-06, 11:16 PM

Hello all,

I have recently noticed a humming noise coming from my Toshiba 52HMX95. I do not recall this noise in the past. It seems particularly loud. There does not seem to be any problem with the picture. I notice when I turn the tv off, they green light blinks and the humming continues. After about 5-10 minutes the green light turns off and the humming stops. Is the humming coming from the fan? Is it possible for the fan to be making more noise? I notice that many problems with the tv stem from the number of hours used. Is there an easy way for me to check how many hours my tv has been used? Thanks for the help.

Ryan

shaft103

11-04-06, 12:26 PM

Just wanted to drop in and let you all know that I've been really lucky with my 46hm95. I got it almost a year ago (11/20/2005) and I am still on my original lamp to this day. I just checked my hours and it showed 2168 hours. My serial number does qualify me for the extended warranty on the original bulb though. Of course by posting this I'm sure I am jinxing myself and the bulb will go out any day now but still over 2000 hours is quite good compared to most of the folks who bought these tv's last fall.

rpvp40

11-04-06, 03:21 PM

Hi, just wondering how you check the hours on your bulb? I can't find anything in my manual and am curious how many hours I have on my original bulb. Thanks for the help.

Bill97Z

11-04-06, 10:28 PM

magredc5

11-05-06, 12:09 AM

52HM95 SLOW RESPONSE........Any of you guys experience this???

I can't stand the TV anymore. It is sooooo slow changing channels that channel surfing is like impossible......esp digital and HD channels. Also if I hit a button for volume, tv guide, or menu, the TV doesn't repond to it for like 2-3 seconds. The lag is annoying like the TV processor can't keep up. Is this normal ??

I've had this issue on and off. It seems to get worse after a power reset of the TV with a lag of up to 5 seconds. After a few weeks of no resets it seems to be fine. It is annoying.

Bill97Z

11-05-06, 09:15 AM

magredc5

11-05-06, 01:23 PM

When you say it seems to be fine, you mean there is NO LAG? The tuner has always been PAINFULLY slow changing channels. HD channels take even more time to tune in. I get around this by using the TV guide instead of channel surfing.

But now, volume, menu, just about anything I press, even to change picture settings from sports to movie,etc, well it takes about 3-4 seconds for the TV to do anything.

Yes, no lag. It is real annoying when the lag is present since it is sporatic, but generally now it's fine.

As for channel surfing, when I got the TV it took some time to get used to the delay in changing channels compared to my old CRT. That's just the nature of these digital TVs where it needs to decode and assemble the video before presenting it to the screen.

rcg03

11-06-06, 06:01 PM

Anyone with ideas?

I noticed the original LE said 2005.38 and the one that he replaced said 2005.36 RMA SEPT 2005....
Have any bearing on this issue?

thanks
Shome,
While I don't have any suggestions I can tell you that I am having the same issue with my 56MX195. It does it when you display a 100% gray scale pattern or like you say during a completely black scene as well as when you turn it off and it is in the cooling cycle. I took pictures of mine late at night in total darkness. I would like to calibrate this pig but it's a waste of time right now. The picture still looks great because during normal viewing you can't notice it. I had the repair guy out today and he wants to ship it a couple hundred mile to the main repair site because he has no clue how to replace the light engine. I have zero confidence that it will come back repaired and in the same condition it is now. I would like to hear a few more folks with the same problem to convince me I should take the chance. Only one more month on the warranty too. :(

RCG03

wjones14

11-08-06, 11:45 AM

The DirecTV installer set me up with an HD dish and an HR20 DVR unit yesterday. The TV is a 46HM84.

So on the Toshiba settings, I set the display to 0 (Natural), because it seems like the HR20 wants to set the display format.

Then on the HR20 display settings, there is a choice for Native On/Off. Not sure what to set here. It seems it works with either setting, but when switching channels from a 16:9 HD broadcast to a non-HD 4:3 broadcast, I need to press the "Format" button on the HR20 remote to display the 4:3 so it fills the screen height-wise, and has the vertical bars on the sides so the picture isn't stretched. (There is also an HR20 display setting for 4:3, which I have set to "Pillar", instead of stretched or cropped).

The other thing I notice that I HOPE is not bad for the TV, is that when changing channels, the TV almost has an epileptic seizure for a second or so, I guess determining which mode to display!

The Toshiba is 14 months old now, and so far no problems at all. I've had the SD DirecTV hooked up until now using S-video cables (because the old Tivo unit had no component output). I use component cables on the DVD player. The HR20 is hooked up with component cables.

Anyway, yesterday the first time I switched to ESPN Sportscenter in HD, I have to say that was the best-quality image I have seen on the TV in the 14 months of owning it! I am definitely pleased with the picture quality.

pwr_whls

11-08-06, 03:15 PM

Hi guys- just had to say hi. I feel so 'normal' here.

I'm a proud owner of the 62hm95 ; someone was asking about the experience (can't find the post, or else I'd directly quote reply).

I'm very happy with it. I have no cable or dish, just Over The Air HD($130 antenna). I'm no TV guru ; but I have to say I love it.
It is connected to my HT media center computer. Gigs of videos, pictures and music and of course record any decent tv shows. I don't miss cable. In fact, I think I'd watch more of the OTA HD than regular cable. It's so pretty.
pc rig specs :
3.0ghz p4 (socket478) ,512mb ram 433mhz (not paired:( ), ATI HDTV pci card, ATI 550 theater for SD & FM tuner, 500gb drive space (2x250gb striped), envy 24 sound card.

note : using the NVIDIA pure video decoding software made a VERY noticeable difference. (dvd's especially). Like software upscaling if you will. The Nvidia software also support digital passthrough. It's pretty awesome to experience. My yamaha htr-5280 recieve does all the audio decoding... true 5.1 seperation.
Audiophiles may not think too much of it; but it's great to see all the technology going to very good use.

that's enough out of me.
It's been fun reading the last 10 pages of this thread (I figured I should start in october?).

Regards,
John

movies123

11-09-06, 09:53 AM

I'm shopping for a bigger television and I need some help. Right now the toshbia hm196 catches my eye but I see other models that size that are cheaper. for example the hm195 looks like its older but still displays the 1080p I'm looking for. Any real difference between the two??

Wryker

11-09-06, 09:59 AM

piturra

11-09-06, 10:18 AM

WOAH there - just check the other postings and you'll see why the HM195 is cheaper - it uses the 'bad' lamp for starters and it has one HDMI input (if i'm correct).

The LAMP Issue has been addressed and fixed to the satisfaction of most xxHM195 owners - me included. Toshiba is no longer using that Lamp manufacture (Asia) and the latest design was supervised by Texas Instruments.

Also, the xxHM195 has Two HDMI INputs.

I have the HM196 and didn't do enough research to know it won't accept 1080p inputs: so if you want true HD at the best possible resolution, then you won't want either. I suggest waiting another month when prices should fall more and other models from Toshiba that DO have 1080p input are available for the same price (or other mfgs) -...OR ...I'll sell you mine!

You might be interested in the following 1080i v. 1080p - Posted 1:57 PM ET by Geoffrey Morrison (http://blog.hometheatermag.com/geoffreymorrison/0807061080iv1080p/)

There has been a lot of concern and confusion over the difference between 1080i and 1080p. This stems from the inability of many TVs to accept 1080p. To make matters worse, the help lines at many of the TV manufacturers (that means you, Sony), are telling people that their newly-bought 1080p displays are really 1080i. They are idiots, so let me say this in big bold print, as far as movies are concerned THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 1080i AND 1080p. See, I did it in caps too, so it must be true. Let me explain (if your eyes glaze over, the short version is at the end).

For clarification, let me start by saying that there are essentially no 1080i TVs anymore. Unless you bought a CRT based TV, every modern TV is progressive scan (as in LCD, Plasma, LCOS, DLP). They are incapable of displaying a 1080i signal as 1080i. So what we’re talking about here mostly applies to people with 1080p native displays.

...

Short Version
What this all means is this:

• When it comes to movies (as in HD DVD and Blu-ray) there will be no visible difference between the 1080i signal and the 1080p signal, as long as your TV correctly de-interlaces 1080i. So even if you could input 1080p, you wouldn't see a difference (because there is none).

• There is no additional or new information in a 1080p signal from movie based content.

...

So all of you people who bought 1080p displays only to be told by the companies that you had bought 1080i TVs, relax. The TV will convert everything to 1080p. Now if you bought a TV that doesn't de-interlace 1080i correctly, well, that's a whole other story.

Select the link above to read the entire article.

So the question really shoud be ...

1) Are You Getting All the HDTV Resolution You Expected? (http://www.hometheatermag.com/hookmeup/0506halfrez/) - Gary Merson, May, 2006 - Which displays have it and which don't.

2) Are You Getting All of the HDTV Resolution You Expected? Round 2 (http://www.hometheatermag.com/hookmeup//1106hook/) - Gary Merson, October, 2006

Fortunately, our Toshiba's correctly de-interlaces 1080i (xxHM/MX195/196's) - so we do have 1080p DISPLAYS!!!

Have fun reading,
Phil

Wryker

11-09-06, 11:15 AM

gosawx

11-09-06, 11:18 AM

Other that that, though, the post was spot on...:)

gosawx

11-09-06, 11:21 AM

So piturra - are you saying (and I have read those articles) that I, you, anyone, can plug in the PS3 or a Blu-Ray device that outputs 1080p? Unless the output can 'downscale' the Toshiba will NOT accept a 1080p input.

It's interlacing, there is no scaling involved. And CE devices (BD/HD DVD) that can output "1080p" (which is actually only 1080p/24-->1080i/60-->1080p/60) will also output 1080i, for the set to de-interlace

enmoco

11-09-06, 11:55 AM

WOAH there - just check the other postings and you'll see why the HM195 is cheaper - it uses the 'bad' lamp for starters and it has one HDMI input (if i'm correct). I have the HM196 and didn't do enough research to know it won't accept 1080p inputs: so if you want true HD at the best possible resolution, then you won't want either. I suggest waiting another month when prices should fall more and other models from Toshiba that DO have 1080p input are available for the same price (or other mfgs) -...OR ...I'll sell you mine!You have no clue of what you are posting here.I have no trouble believing your statement of a lack of searching.All 195 series have two HDMI connections available.Your suggestions to others to wait for "true HD at the best possible resolution" is based ,I'm sure,on the same lack of research. You are intitled to an opinion,however skewed it may be. Even the right to post it here. Just post that this knowledge you have convinced yourself of,is in fact just that,your opinion. Statements here, such as yours, only confuse the newbies and confound the owners of these displays here in the "Toshiba DLP" thread.Perhaps your insight would have a better reception at a more correct thread.It would take a little research in order to locate such a thread. As always,good luck to all....... :)

piturra

11-09-06, 12:01 PM

So piturra - are you saying (and I have read those articles) that I, you, anyone, can plug in the PS3 or a Blu-Ray device that outputs 1080p? Unless the output can 'downscale' the Toshiba will NOT accept a 1080p input.

You can add a PS3 or Blu-Ray (though I don't know why? :)), but for our 1080p HDTVs (including 95% in the 1080p HDTV market) to view it, ... we would set the PS3 or Blu-Ray to output 1080i, then our HDTV's will deinterlace that signal = 1080p, ... gee, ... just like our 1080p HDTV does for the HD TV "1080i Broadcasts!!!"

Like gosawx wrote, ... NO scaling or adding missing 1080 INFO is involved.

Maybe you missed the following paragraph (by Geoffrey Morrison)...

The next Blu-ray players (from Pioneer and the like) will have an additional option. They will be able to output the 1080p/24 from the disc directly. At first you may think that if your TV doesn't accept 1080p, you'll miss out on being able to see the "unmolested" 1080p/24 from the disc. Well even if your TV could accept the 1080p/24, your TV would still have to add the 3:2 pulldown itself (the TV is still 60Hz). So you're not seeing the 1080p/24 regardless.

NOTE: Do you understand 1080p/24 Hz vs. 1080p/60 Hz??? The latest HDTV's that accept 1080p will still have to do a 3:2 pulldown to match the 60Hz on our fixed 1080p/60 resolution HDTV's. It's either done in the HD DVD player or in our HDTV's - that's why Geoffrey Morrison wrote in bold letters ...

... as far as movies are concerned THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 1080i AND 1080p.

Phil

Wryker

11-09-06, 12:07 PM

Oops - I guess I must be WAY wrong right? hmm

http://www.ultimateavmag.com/rearprojectiontvs/806tosh62hm/

where it states:

"This Toshiba will not accept a direct 1080p input."

voila - nexxxt?

enmoco

11-09-06, 12:10 PM

gosawx

11-09-06, 12:20 PM

Oops - I guess I must be WAY wrong right? hmm

http://www.ultimateavmag.com/rearprojectiontvs/806tosh62hm/

where it states:

"This Toshiba will not accept a direct 1080p input."

voila - nexxxt?

we should the correct the person who said it accepts a 1080p signal, please provide his/her screen name so we can address their error

magredc5

11-09-06, 12:24 PM

Oops - I guess I must be WAY wrong right? hmm

http://www.ultimateavmag.com/rearprojectiontvs/806tosh62hm/

where it states:

"This Toshiba will not accept a direct 1080p input."

voila - nexxxt?

Re read what you are responding to. Piturra clearly states that these TVs don't accept 1080p inputs, as is clearly stated on all literature for these TVs that can be found by simply going to Toshiba's site. These are, however, 1080p TVs.

If you're trying to equate 1080p input source to 1080p display format then you should read the articles listed again. This is an old debate (almost as old as wobulation vs. non-wobulation).

Old news.

piturra

11-09-06, 12:38 PM

Wryker

11-09-06, 12:39 PM

That's what I get for being old...and wobulated...

CEJ

11-10-06, 10:53 AM

gosawx

11-10-06, 11:12 AM

There is no "conversion", up or down. The best way to understand, I feel is this:

How many pixels are in a 1920 x 1080 progressive image (1080p)? Answer: 2, 073,600
How many pixels are in a 1920 x 1080 interlaced image (1080i)? Answer: 2,073,600

The resolution is the same. The only difference is whether the signal is sent progressively, meaning one whole frame at a time, and displayed by the set as is or, if the signal is sent interlaced, meaning each frame sent 1/2 frame at a time, then deinterlaced (or re-assembled) by the display device.

On broadcast, it's always sent 1080i, so there is no discussion about how broadcast works. With other "progressive" sources, say HD DVD, or BD, go to the Hi-def optical disc section and search, theres TONS of information about the lack of importannce of a 1080p/60 transmission. Also see the articles linked above by wryker..they are also helpful

CEJ

11-10-06, 11:54 AM

gosawx

11-10-06, 12:19 PM

from a display point of view, it is kinda moot, because 99% of the 1080 displays out there (DLP. LCD, Plasma) are ALL 1080p. There aren't any 1080i displays to speak of anymore.

From a source point of view, yes 1080i/p from HD DVD and Blu-ray for 99% of the displays is hype. If your set is a 60Hz set, then there really is no point to receiving a 1080p signal, so manufacturers are bragging about 1080p inputs so they'll have something to print on their "bezel stickers" in showrooms!

piturra

11-10-06, 12:31 PM

No flaming please. Just trying to wrap my arms around the science.

I have been wondering about this topic for some time and it seems my questions have been answered, but I still don't understand how an interlaced picture can be equivelent to progressive scan .

I have a Toshiba 62HM195 which as we all know up-converts 1080i to 1080p. My problem is how can a tv that up-converts be just as good as a TV that can accept a 1080p signal. Does it realy just boil down to a screen that can interlace properly?

So even though our sets display 2 sets of lines 1/60fps and upcovnverts to 1080p this is considered equivelent to a tv that can display 1 set of lines with no conversion???

I feel like the less a tv has to work to display the resolution you are after the better....Right? Oh man I think I am going to be beat up over this.

Again, gosawx answered your inquiry correctly!

The Toshiba xxHM195's does resolve all 1080 lines properly, along with sharp detailed images and impressive blacks that pops the overall colors (when Calibrated using DVE 16x9 anamorphic Pluge & NTSC Color Test Screen for example) with HDTV & HD DVD sources.

FYI: If you have not done so already, ... Read over the Home Theater Magazine "The Great 1080p HDTV Face Off (http://hometheatermag.com/rearprojectiontvs/206faceoff/) by Geoffrey Morrison, February, 2006, which includes your Toshiba 62HM195 and see how impressive it was with performance vs. price.

The sets in the HTMag "1080p Face Off" are (listed by Overall Ratings) ...

- HP MD6580n / Overall Rating: 88
- Mitsubishi WD-52628 / Overall Rating: 89
- Samsung HL-R5668W / Overall Rating: 90
- JVC HD-56FH96 / Overall Rating: 91
- Toshiba 62HM195 / Overall Rating: 91
- Sony KDS-R50XBR1 / Overall Rating: 92

Have fun reading,
Phil

IrisMac

11-13-06, 12:27 AM

Hello folks!
I just purchased the Toshiba 56HM195.
It's hooked up to a non-HD Dish now, so the pic is not the best. Will upgrading to the Dish HD make a big difference?

TIA

Rod907

11-13-06, 05:44 AM

cgking114

11-13-06, 09:27 AM

I just bought a 56HM16 from Sam's Club and I am having some problems with the protective screen I think. In dark scenes it looks pretty good. Not great like it did in the store but pretty good. In light scenes however it looks like my screen is wet. I see little glitters almost and the picture looks somewhat distorted. I have run AVIA setup as well as INHD tune up and see very little improvement. Has anyone else seen this problem?? What can I possibly do?? Thanks in advance for your help.

gshelley61

11-13-06, 09:33 AM

Hi all-
I got my 62HM116 a few weeks ago and I just wanted to say that so far I love it. I've been watching OTA HD and SD programming and I have really been impressed with the picture quality. The difference between SD and HD is about as great as the difference between the picture quality of my 15 year old 52" Phillips RP and the newToshiba DLP unit. It really is amazing- I didn't realize what I was missing.

I will soon have more HD (and SD) channels available through DishNetwork. So now that I finally have a good TV and access to HD programming, I was wondering what was the easiest and/or best way to tune it to get the best picture quality that I can.

Thanks,
-Rod

Get a Digital Video Essentials (DVE) or Avia home theater setup DVD. They are easy to use and will allow you to dial in the picture settings for a very good image without the cost of a full blown ISF calibration. Set the Dynamic Contrast and the Noise Reduction settings to OFF first. Also, set the Color Temperature to WARM. Then follow the disc instructions on how to use the test patterns to adjust your picture.

geonex88

11-13-06, 11:17 AM

Hello folks!
I just purchased the Toshiba 56HM195.
It's hooked up to a non-HD Dish now, so the pic is not the best. Will upgrading to the Dish HD make a big difference?

TIA

Short answer: Yes.
Long answer: Yes, Definitively.

Wade_JR

11-13-06, 01:25 PM

enmoco

11-13-06, 03:13 PM

I'm one who saw rainbows on an earlier Mits DLP but I took a chance and purchased a 62HM116 from Costco over the weekend. I have made the adjustments shown below using DVE. My current DVD player is a Zenith DVB318 and is hooked up thru component video.

Contrast: 60
Brightness: 46
Color: 34
Tint: +16
Sharpness: 0

Dynamic Contrast: Off
DNR: Off
MPEG Noise Reduction: Off
Color Temp: Warm
Lamp Mode: Low Power

It appears that I have gone in the opposite direction on the color adjustment than what I've seen others post. I've adjusted the blue using the DVE color filters but the red is a tad off and the green is out of whack, as it was on my first Mits DLP and my Sony RP CRT. I guess green on these sets needs to be adjusted in the service menu. I'm concerned that I've had to make greater swings in my color and tint than what I have seen others post. Should I be concerned? All in all the picture looks pretty good. I've scanned through Shrek, Nemo, and the Lord of the Rings and all have looked great.

I'm a novice at setting this stuff up so if anything looks out of whack, or if there is something else I could change, please let me know.

WadeThe object of it all is...........what looks good to you? If you like what you see,cool! If you have a lot of folks over to watch football games,listen and improvise....LOL. Really unless your set up is obviously way out there,anyone will tell you the same.Things like what the lighting circumstances are make a big difference in people's set ups. The display in our den is set up completely different from our bedroom set.The Toshibas handle brightly lit areas very well.Single biggest reason I put one in the den.I had the Panny plasma in there and the reflections were very distracting.

piturra

11-13-06, 04:17 PM

... Zenith DVB318 and is hooked up thru component video.

Contrast: 60
Brightness: 46
Color: 34
Tint: +16
Sharpness: 0

Dynamic Contrast: Off
DNR: Off
MPEG Noise Reduction: Off
Color Temp: Warm
Lamp Mode: Low Power

... All in all the picture looks pretty good. I've scanned through Shrek, Nemo, and the Lord of the Rings and all have looked great.

Wade

Well, looks like you did it correctly based on your last statements.

As a reference, my DVE Component Calibration Results after the 30+ min. warmup:

Equipment: Toshiba HD-A1
Component*:
.... Contrast..........65
.... Brightness........62
.... Color...............61**
.... Tint...............+11**
.... Sharpness........0

*I went thru this exercise to get a starting foundation for my HDTV broadcasts video calibration.
=============

FYI:
HDMI: (Normal HD DVD & SD DVD viewing)
.... Contrast..........60
.... Brightness........54
.... Color...............66**
.... Tint...............+16**
.... Sharpness........0

**COLOR & TINT was Spot-on perfect - w/Digital Video Essentials, verified w/AVIA using Blue Filters respectively.
=============

Dynamic Contrast: Off (ON for TV viewing - HD, SD & Analog Digital )
DNR: Off
MPEG Noise Reduction: Off
Color Temp: Warm
Lamp Mode: Low Power

After I receive my HD DVD Digital Video Essentials, I'll re-Calibrate my Video and see if there is any differences.

Phil

IrisMac

11-13-06, 07:48 PM

Hello folks!
I just purchased the Toshiba 56HM195.
It's hooked up to a non-HD Dish now, so the pic is not the best. Will upgrading to the Dish HD make a big difference?

TIA
Thanks again for the help folks.

I know I can't receive HD programs until I get my Dish HDVR (I have the Dish PVR now), but I guess I'm just a little dissapointed in how the non-HD programs look. The picture just isn't that sharp as my old Toshiba tube. Is this normal? I've went thru the video settings and tried several combinations, but......

Are you saying I won't even get the better pic of non-hd channels until I get the HD receiver? :o

Once again, TIA.

gosawx

11-13-06, 09:14 PM

have you tried hooking up an antenna? that is the BEST way to get HD, PQ wise

IrisMac

11-13-06, 09:45 PM

have you tried hooking up an antenna? that is the BEST way to get HD, PQ wise
Nope. I don't think I even own an external antenna. :D

Rod907

11-13-06, 11:09 PM

Get a Digital Video Essentials (DVE) or Avia home theater setup DVD. They are easy to use and will allow you to dial in the picture settings for a very good image without the cost of a full blown ISF calibration. Set the Dynamic Contrast and the Noise Reduction settings to OFF first. Also, set the Color Temperature to WARM. Then follow the disc instructions on how to use the test patterns to adjust your picture.

Thanks for the info gshelly. I'll be following your advice and getting calibrated soon.

epsilon

11-14-06, 01:00 PM

Nope. I don't think I even own an external antenna. :D
Depending of how far you are from the towers, an indoor UHF antenna may do. I'm 28 miles away and I get a good signal with a Radioshack double-bowtie (no longer available). Go to www.antennaweb.org to determine what antenna you need and where to point it.

IrisMac

11-14-06, 01:30 PM

Thanks epsilon!
I've been reading the previous 12 pages or so of this thread. A lot of good info here for a novice to DLP sets like myself.

ateam

11-15-06, 04:18 PM

I bought a toshiba 62hm15a a couple of weeks ago and really have very little knowledge when it comes to high tech video equipment. I bought it based on the picture I saw for the price I paid and have been very satisfied with owning it.
However, I would like to know more about it. Such as, what is the best way for me to hook it up with my vcr and cable box to optimize the full effect of its' features. I have used the HD cable thus far. What can I do from the stand point of the remote menu to enhance the quality of picture and sound? Recently I've noticed little visible pixels popping up every so often and I was told that magnetic fields created around the set will cause this. If this is true, what can I do to "reset" the field? If it is not true, what else could be the cause? Thank you for any help.

gosawx

11-15-06, 04:23 PM

ateam (pity the fool!), can you provide a little more information about your set-up. DOes your Cable box have an HDMI/DVI output? What type of DVD player do you have. Let us know and we can help

i2k

11-15-06, 05:11 PM

Def an upconvert DVD player and HDMI cables b/w your equipment will help. The avia dvd link should help you optimise your display also (above)
cheers

Shaner1

11-15-06, 08:10 PM

Bill97Z

11-16-06, 12:54 PM

Yes, no lag. It is real annoying when the lag is present since it is sporatic, but generally now it's fine.

As for channel surfing, when I got the TV it took some time to get used to the delay in changing channels compared to my old CRT. That's just the nature of these digital TVs where it needs to decode and assemble the video before presenting it to the screen.

Thats good. Mine is getting worse, I think I may have to call for a warranty repair. It is especially noticable when changing volume or going to the menu or the TV guide feature....you press the button on the remote and 2 out of 5 times it takes 2-3 seconds for the TV to respond. Sometimes you keep pressing the volume because you don't thnk it registered anad then 3 seconds later the tv does every thing you asked it to at once. It almost seems like the processor can't keep up. Oh well....

toenail

11-16-06, 04:01 PM

Hi guys,

I just got my TV back after 2 1/2 weeks of being in for service for my dust problem. Toshiba told the service center that they had a new light engine for my model (52HMX94) which should eliminate the dust problem I was having. Evidently the older model had some defects that allowed the dust in.

I'm a bit sceptical about the whole thing so I'll report back in 6 months or so if I have any dust built up again.

I've not heard of much in the way of dust issues with 84/94 sets. Seems a bit odd that Tosh would make improvements for a light engine that was only in production for 1 year, and has been out of production for two years.

Best of luck with that.

BrianLive

11-16-06, 04:02 PM

I have a 52HM95 that is currently under warranty service.

It started about a month ago... I noticed a shimmering, wavy line across the picture when a bright or still image was on the screen. I immediately called for service and the tech was out the next day. He agreed it was a problem and appeared to be a hair or dust in the light path. After checking the lamp and insde the cabinet he determined it was INTERNAL to the light engine and it would have to be replaced.

This was 4 weeks ago. The problem has gotten worse daily to the point where the shimmering is gone, and it's a 1-inch purple line stretching across the entire width of the display. It is CLEARLY a piece of dust/debris and is almost completely in focus. It does wiggle slightly like the fans are moving it.

The repair company verified the replacement light engine was ordered from Toshiba on 10/23. they have been unable to get any sort of ETA on the part from them, even though they have been checking with them twice a week.

What the heck can I do to get this thing fixed as soon? Anything? After 3 lamp replacements and now waiting over a month for a light engine, I'm about ready to take a sledgehammer to this TV.

gosawx

11-16-06, 04:19 PM

Have you called Toshiba? 1-800-631-3811

piturra

11-16-06, 04:26 PM

I have a 52HM95 that is currently under warranty service.

...
The repair company verified the replacement light engine was ordered from Toshiba on 10/23. they have been unable to get any sort of ETA on the part from them, even though they have been checking with them twice a week.

What the heck can I do to get this thing fixed as soon? Anything? After 3 lamp replacements and now waiting over a month for a light engine, I'm about ready to take a sledgehammer to this TV.

Call Toshiba Customer Service and relate your situation (waiting for an light engine since 10-23-06 from your local Service Center) and ask them to escalate a solution for your HDTV.

They should create a file of your case and investigate why it's taking so long. Hopefully, they will present you with some options to resolve your situation.

In my case, ... after waiting around 30-days for a back ordered part to come to my local Service Center (they had my 56HM195 HDTV) , I called Toshiba, related how long I've been waiting and requested them to escalated a solution and, ... they did.

The solution was to replace my 1080p 56HM195 w/1080p 62HM196**, including the Toshiba TV Stand!!! :) (**Toshiba does not make a 56" 1080p HDTV anymore - Thank you Toshiba!!!). :D

FYI: Total days without my 56HM195 = 57 days :(

NOTE: A week or so after my 56HM195 was @ local Service Center, I convinced my wife that it was time to update our Master bedroom 20" CRT analog TV, so I bought the Westinghouse LTV-37w2 720p LCD HDTV!!! ($989 BB sale) One of these day's, when I'm not watching my 62HM196, ... I'll mount my Westinghouse on the wall.

Hope this helps,
Phil

Wade_JR

11-16-06, 04:44 PM

Shaner1

11-16-06, 05:13 PM

I've not heard of much in the way of dust issues with 84/94 sets. Seems a bit odd that Tosh would make improvements for a light engine that was only in production for 1 year, and has been out of production for two years.

Best of luck with that.

That's what I thought too. After the service center told me this I called Toshiba to see if they could tell me what changes they made to the light engine. The rep wasn't sure but did see the record that the service centered called and they sent out a new light engine for the TV.

I'll find out in 6 months or so if the new light engine fixed the problem. I can say that I need to calibrate my set again because it looks really bright but all my settings are the way I left them.

Thanks

piturra

11-16-06, 05:21 PM

Has anyone with the 62HM116(196), or other Toshiba, had any troubles getting the colors right using DVE? I thought I had a good picture the other night but I must have been tired or something because the picture doesn't look good at all now. I had to adjust the color and tint a lot (C34, T+16) to get the blue to look right thru the blue filter. It's still isn't a 100% match and the other two colors (red & green) or off as well. I thought it might be my Zenith player so I hooked up my old Panasonic and got the same results. I find myself constantly adjusting the color to try and get a good picture but can't come up with anything that satisfies me. Both my older Mits DLP and Sony RP CRT setup rather easily and had the blue and red spot on after using DVE. The green was off on both but the picture looked great anyways. I just can't get that with this Toshiba.

Is the service menu the only place to get the colors corrected on this TV? I've been in there already to adjust vertical position, but I'm sure colors are not for me to mess with.

I'm really liking this TV as far as the clarity/sharpness goes from both the Zenith DVD player and HD but the color thing has got me bummed out.

Wade

My 62HM196 Video Calibrated Settings are great using DVE.

Toshiba HD-A1
DESC..........HDMI......Component
Contrast........60..........65
Brightness.....54..........62
Color.............66..........61
Tint...............16..........11
Sharpness.....0............0

To verify my initlal Color & Tint settings using DVE "Color Bar with Reference Gray" Test Screen, ... I use the REFERENCED "SMPTE Color Bars" (see attached image). Try that to see if you can dial-in your Color & Tint saturations.

NOTE: The "SMPTE Color Bars" was the only Color & Tint Test Screen used in the original Video Essentials DVD.

Phil

gshelley61

11-16-06, 08:27 PM

My 61HM116 settings using the DVE disc and color filters with a Sony DVP-NS75H up-converting DVD player (HDMI input) are as follows:

Dynamic Contrast OFF
DNR Noise Reduction OFF
MPEG Noise Reduction OFF
Color Temperature Warm
Lamp Mode Low Power
Game Mode OFF

Contrast 75
Brightness 52
Color 60
Tint +15
Sharpness 15

jwmsr

11-16-06, 08:54 PM

Hi, Folks!

I'm new to this Board, so I hope my post is in line with all Forum rules.

I'm gonna get a new rear projection unit real soon, probably around 56" due to the size of our living room. I'm considering (among others) the Toshiba 56hm66 and the 56HM195. I know Consumer Reports had good things to say about the 66, but I hate to settle for 720p. The 195 has 1080p, but isn't it an older model?? Anyone know if there were any significant improvements moving from the 195 era to the 66 and 196 era?

Thanks for any tips !

jw :)

gosawx

11-16-06, 09:35 PM

no matter what they do to aa 720p set, it's still 720p. I went from a 52HM84 to a 56HM195 and i was a night and day difference in PQ. Get the 56HM195!!! It rocks!

BrianLive

11-16-06, 11:46 PM

In my case, ... after waiting around 30-days for a back ordered part to come to my local Service Center (they had my 56HM195 HDTV) , I called Toshiba, related how long I've been waiting and requested them to escalated a solution and, ... they did.

The solution was to replace my 1080p 56HM195 w/1080p 62HM196**, including the Toshiba TV Stand!!! :) (**Toshiba does not make a 56" 1080p HDTV anymore - Thank you Toshiba!!!). :D

Phil

Thanks, Phil. After typing up my original post I got myself all worked up again and decided I had just about enough. As soon as I hit "Submit" I called Toshiba and informed them as to what was going on. They took down all my information and started an investigation. The CS rep told me that they would be contacting the repair center to figure out exactly what the hold up was and how they could rectify the situation as soon as possible.

I'm not going to get myself all worked up at the prospect of getting a new TV, I'm just happy to hopefully be one step further in getting this thing working right again.

you don't happen to recall how long it took Tosh to get back to you, do you?

piturra

11-17-06, 01:40 PM

Thanks, Phil. After typing up my original post I got myself all worked up again and decided I had just about enough. As soon as I hit "Submit" I called Toshiba and informed them as to what was going on. They took down all my information and started an investigation. The CS rep told me that they would be contacting the repair center to figure out exactly what the hold up was and how they could rectify the situation as soon as possible.

I'm not going to get myself all worked up at the prospect of getting a new TV, I'm just happy to hopefully be one step further in getting this thing working right again.

you don't happen to recall how long it took Tosh to get back to you, do you?

The CS rep told me ..."about 2-3 business days". It was close to estimate since the Toshiba CS rep contacted me in 2-days.

NOTE: They will probably require that you send them a copy of your invoice w/personal INFO by Fax.

After that conversation, he said another Toshiba CS rep will contact me in 2 - 5 business days to provide me some options. Sure enough, 2 business days later, ... another Toshiba CS rep called and my option was replace my 56HM195 w/62HM196!!! :confused: :eek: :)

From that point, it was another 16-days (including weekends) until I took delivery of my 62HM196 & TV Stand :D ... and the same Transportation Co. driver repackaged the RIP 56HM195 & TV Stand to send back. Yeah, it was worth the wait!!! :rolleyes:

Toshiba will take care of your situation! Keep us posted on how it goes!
Phil

jwmsr

11-17-06, 06:59 PM

no matter what they do to aa 720p set, it's still 720p. I went from a 52HM84 to a 56HM195 and i was a night and day difference in PQ. Get the 56HM195!!! It rocks!

Thanks for the testimonial, GOSAWX.

I appreciate your help! and I am glad you are happy with your Tosh.

jw

IrisMac

11-19-06, 07:49 PM

mastwo

11-19-06, 07:58 PM

gosawx

11-19-06, 09:34 PM

Probably a dumb question guys, but when I hook up a HDTV external antenna to the ANT1 plug (56HM195), I'm still only receiving in 480i. What gives? I know the program is HD. BTW, the picture isn't the best with the external antenna, but watchable. Why doesn't it set to a higher setting (720 or 1080?)

TIA.

that is showing the incoming resolution, which your set then scales to 1080i. If you select an HD channel (it would have to be one of the "dash" channels 40-1, 22-1 etc.)it will show 1080i or 720p if it's ABC

gosawx

11-19-06, 09:36 PM

I've read of many premature failures :eek: of bulbs in the Tosh 195 series, but found nothing about bulb problems with the 196 series. Has that issue been curred?

Aside from excessively short life spans, I'm concerned about the gradual loss of PQ as the bulb discolors, etc with age. Found nothing on that either. :confused:
Take a look. Do you find that you can't read the TV menu as good as a few months ago? Maybe it's not your eyes that are changing. ;)

As a maybe-wannabe new owner of he 62mx196, any input on this would be greatly appreciated. :)
Michael

The reliability issue was solved last spring-ish, by changing bulb suppliers. And the bulb will look 100% until the day it "goes" then replacement gets you right back up to 100%. That's on of the huge benefits to microdisplay product, no "fading" of the picture over time

IrisMac

11-19-06, 11:04 PM

that is showing the incoming resolution, which your set then scales to 1080i. If you select an HD channel (it would have to be one of the "dash" channels 40-1, 22-1 etc.)it will show 1080i or 720p if it's ABCThank you! I did not (obviously) know that. Now I gotta figure out how to put a dash between the channels. :confused:

IrisMac

11-19-06, 11:40 PM

Thank you! I did not (obviously) know that. Now I gotta figure out how to put a dash between the channels. :confused:

D'oh!!! I guess you don't lol

magredc5

11-20-06, 12:12 AM

Thank you! I did not (obviously) know that. Now I gotta figure out how to put a dash between the channels. :confused:
If the dash is still a mystery (hint - read the manual) then also make sure you run the channel programming on ANT1. Otherwise you won't be able to tune to those channels.

Doan_1

11-20-06, 02:08 AM

Hey all, I have searched like crazy for the answer for this but am not finding anything too helpful. And I saw that this thread had 225 pages! LOL. A little much to go through. Anyway, got my 56HM195 about 2 months ago. So far, KILLER TV! HD and SD looks great, Running my playstation, upconverting DVD, and Starchoice HD reciever and it does all the above flawlessly. The one that doesn't is my PC. I have it hooked up via DVI-HDMI cable (I know the manual sais not too, but want it!) to a PNY GeForce 7600 GS video card. It works, as I am typing on it now, but it's off center to the left a bit and stretched up at the top left. it also seems to be pinched a little through the horizontal center. Well, just wanted to see what others have done to get it view properly. Eventually I want the PC to be my main source for media. ie: movies, music and DVDs. Any help would be appreciated.

gosawx

11-20-06, 07:15 AM

Thank you! I did not (obviously) know that. Now I gotta figure out how to put a dash between the channels. :confused:

It's the "100" button, right next to the "0"

Doan_1

11-20-06, 01:13 PM

OK, with nnVidia's Keystone adjustment I was able to resize by draggint the corners to the right positions. However< I still have the horizontal pitching. Any ideas?

stp24core

11-22-06, 04:02 PM

Just an update about my 62hm195 that started displaying vertical lines across the left side of the screen...

A Toshiba service rep came out and diagnosed the problem as a faulty light engine (suprise, suprise) and ordered one on 10/30. Since then I was told that it is on backorder and Toshiba doesnt know when they will be able to get a replacement.

To my suprise the woman from the Toshiba "Backorder Parts Department" (I can't believe they have this as a department) informed me that they will be replacing my TV. When I asked her she said that it would NOT be refurbished and if they could not supply me with the same TV model that they would give me a free upgrade. Fair enough I thought but the whole process will leave me without a TV for almost 60 days total.

If anyone has had a similar experience I am wondering a few things...

1. What would be the next upgrade for a 62hm195?
2. If the same set is available, will they allow you to pay an upgrade fee (I've read plenty of horror stories about this TV and dont want the same problem in the future.)?
3. Would they consider giving you a discount on a stand for the missing time for the lack of television and 2 months of paying a satellite bill?

Just curious and any suggestions will be appreciated for Im waiting to receive a call from a Toshiba Rep to set up the replacement process. Thank you all in advance!