I've noticed a greenish hue on the lower right-hand corner of my VS810 screen. It's not always there, just on certains colors, usually noticable on white.

Is this the green blob problem or something else. If I do the screen wipe I don't see the green.

I'm on my 2nd set. The first has several scratches from the factory AND was dropped by CC while loading into my car.

Hi All,

1st week with the Hit and all is well. No QC probs like others have reported. I am impressed with SD and HD and I am a 25 yr video post production professional.

My question is about the TV as center channel. I spent all my money on Rotel sperates and B&W 703's so no money left for the rest of the surround kit (yet). I get good results when the Rotel sees the sound as Dolby Digital + ProLogic II which is the default on several of my HD Comcast channels, but some are DD only and the center speaker (the Hit) drops significantly in volume. Is this normal? Is there a setting somewhere to keep this volume drop from happening when I change channels?

This is my first post here but I referenced this site before I bought my 60vx915 a couple of weeks ago, so thanks for all the input. So far I am very happy with the set and I should also note that 20% off list was not that hard to get.

The only issue I ran into was getting discrete codes for my Harmony remote. The Harmony site had codes for inputs 1-5 but not Ant A or B. After a long call with Hitachi I was able to get the procedure to get to the hidden layer of the vx/vs remote. There are also codes in the layer for inputs 1-5 but since I already had them I forgot to get them from Hitachi (sorry).

To enter the layer:

Hold down the ENT key and press menu and then LC. The TV LED shoud blink 3 times.

Codes in the hidden layer are listed on the left and remote button on the right:

AntA - Volume Down
AntB - Channel Up
Day - Menu
Night - Exit
16:9 Std - Aspect
16:9 Zoom - PIP
4:3 Expd - 9
4:3 Std - Day/Night
4:3 Zoom1 - 7
4:3 Zoom2 - 8
Power On - (- Button)
Power Off - 0
Toggle - Power

There are two video modes for 480i material

Video 1080i - Info (default mode)
Video 540p - Guide
Toggle - LC

To return the remote to standard operation:

Press and hold the ENT key and press 1, 3, 4, 5 in sequence. The TV LED should blink three times.

well I drove back up (3hr drive) to exchange my vs810 only to find that my new set had worse green bleed than mine. their display model was the worst of the 3. Total waste of time exept for the fact that I was promised an exchange for a new set that doesn't have the problem, however long it takes. the Hitachi rep was unavailable on sunday, so I hope to hear his opinion this week. The sales guy could no longer say it was defective because all 3 sets had the same problem, although to different degrees.
The saga continues...

I am from your neck of the woods Clambone and have had my 810 for about 6 weeks my picture has be very good or let me rephrase that it has been very good since i went out and bought the HD expressvue receiver before that the picture quality was terrible 1/4 inch grey shadow around bright objects. I had the local Tv repair shop look at it he said there is very little that can be done with regards to actual focus or convergence adjustments because of the sealed light engine. I don't know what is causing the green blotches but from the owner threads on here it is a major problem for Hitachi. I did notice the delivery guys were very rough with it taking it off the truck kinda rolling it end for end like it was a tire.. I hope that the local distributer takes care of you since driving on the highways up here can be life threatening good luck

I have posted this to the "Hitachi 50vs810 Probelm" thread as well ....

The CC tech got back to me today after speaking with Hitachi on the synch / interference problem over the component interface. A s/w upgrade has been recommended. My current version is V0134.0000 and the tech stated the most current version is V0135.0000. I will call Hitachi and likely have this mailed to me.

Other folks that have reported this problem ---- please post your current s/w version to help understand if this upgrade may improve the situation.

Originally posted by rbeaumon
I have posted this to the "Hitachi 50vs810 Probelm" thread as well ....

The CC tech got back to me today after speaking with Hitachi on the synch / interference problem over the component interface. A s/w upgrade has been recommended. My current version is V0134.0000 and the tech stated the most current version is V0135.0000. I will call Hitachi and likely have this mailed to me.

Other folks that have reported this problem ---- please post your current s/w version to help understand if this upgrade may improve the situation.


rbeaumon,

If you go too CC,the 60vs810 has the the latest version in them VO135.00000 at least the ones in my area did and the 50vs810 had the VO134.0000.And see if your problem exists in the 60vs810


I have the 50vx915 with Vo314.0000 s/w I just upgraded to the VO135.0000 last friday and installed it because I had a cablecard issue.(which it didn't fix)So I called Hitachi today too find out what the new s/w does or fixes over the older s/w version.And they did not know which i thought was weird so they are calling me back on wed. And I will ask again because it would be nice to know.I will post it here if they give me a answer.


I don't have anything hooked up via component so I cann't help you there.
I would call hitachi and get the latest s/w anyway.

I just checked my sw version vo134.0000 and currently I am not having any problems with my set exept sde and thats only on bright scenes... I am not using the component video input though.

Originally posted by rbeaumon
I have posted this to the "Hitachi 50vs810 Probelm" thread as well ....

The CC tech got back to me today after speaking with Hitachi on the synch / interference problem over the component interface. A s/w upgrade has been recommended. My current version is V0134.0000 and the tech stated the most current version is V0135.0000. I will call Hitachi and likely have this mailed to me.

Other folks that have reported this problem ---- please post your current s/w version to help understand if this upgrade may improve the situation.

what does s/w stand for and how can I tell what version I have.
thanks

clambone:

My apology on the abbreviation. S/W = software.

On the 50vs810, select:
Menu
Setup
Upgrades
.... "Software Version #: Main V0xxx.xxxx"

Hope this helps.

What it would be good to find are owners that:
- have V0135.0000 (as I have the older 0134.0000)
- use component inputs from DVD and/or HD cable
- do NOT see any synch related issues on fast moving scenes or fast moving scenes with high contrast (lightening strikes, flash bulbs, etc)
........ this would help determine if the new software resolves the problem.

Hitachi is mailing the upgrade today - it will likely take a week to get to me.

Cheers,
Rob

Originally posted by phussary
I just purchased an HDMI to DVI adapter and will be hooking up my PC this weekend. Did you ever get a chance to do this?

I'd really like to know if these set are capable of 1:1 pixel mapping using a PC.

For those following the synch problems and my previous message that Hitachi is sending me a software upgrade to V0135.0000 ......

Zeagle posted the following on the "Hitachi 50vs810 Problem" thread. It appears that the S/W upgrade does not resolve the problem and physical modification may be required.

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Another Update

quote:
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Originally posted by rbeaumon

Would you share the Hitachi case number, the part in question or the name of the technician you have contacted. I would like to make this issue known to the local CC store manager here and the CC service center. Referencing such information might make this easier.
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I was put in contact with the engineers after talking with a regional Hitachi Representative and I do not have a case number as I have been dealing directly with Hitachi Engineers and not the Hitachi service center. The custom part is not being manufactured yet, but I will ask about when they expect the part to go to production and will also post the part name/number when I see it on Monday. I have been told that the new part needs the latest software to fix the issue which should be 135.

I have been out of town until last Fri and had the the Service Technician come out this past Saturday. My faith in HH Gregg's service center is definitely not at a good level. On Saturday the Tech came out with the custom part that Hitachi had sent specifically for my TV as well as a software upgrade. The Technician then proceeded to tell me that he had been in contact with Hitachi and they told him that he did not have to install the custom part and that the software upgrade would fix the problem. This was contradictory to what Hitachi had been telling me, but I figured that Tech had talked more recently with Hitachi and gave the Tech the benefit of the doubt. This turned out to be a bad decision on my part as the the software upgrade did not fix the issue with the TV losing Synchronization. I contacted Hitachi and HH Gregg and voiced my lack of faith in the ability of the 2 companies to communicate with one another. I am going out of town again tomorrow and the Technician from HH Gregg will be back to install the custom part on Monday. I have already told Hitachi and HH Gregg that if this does not fix the issue I will return the TV and look for another dealer. The hard part will be convincing my significant other about going to another brand since she fell in love with the looks of the Hitachi, go figure.

Originally posted by rbeaumon
I have posted this to the "Hitachi 50vs810 Probelm" thread as well ....

The CC tech got back to me today after speaking with Hitachi on the synch / interference problem over the component interface. A s/w upgrade has been recommended. My current version is V0134.0000 and the tech stated the most current version is V0135.0000. I will call Hitachi and likely have this mailed to me.

Other folks that have reported this problem ---- please post your current s/w version to help understand if this upgrade may improve the situation.

I have tried to duplicate the sync problem with my set at 480p and have not been able to do it. That said my version is vo132. how should I go about getting an upgrade?

Call 1-800-Hitachi and inform them you are aware that 0135.0000 is currently being shipped on new production sets and that this upgrade is being provided to existing customers with problems (whether it fixes such problems is to be determine). State that you would like your set to be most current. They will fax you a license agreement to sign. Once you sign it and fax it back, Hitachi will send you a flash card that you must return psot upgrade.

By the way, my DVD is a progressive scan DVD which means 480p. I do get this interference on when playing DVDs connected via component.

I've just received my 2nd 60vs810 because of a stuck pixel. I didn't check the SW version on the first set, but the new one is a VO135.000....
I had the sync problem on my first set connected through component from the LG7832. This occurred at any up conversion, and regardless of how any of the contrast, brightness or Black Enhancement was set.
I replaced the LG with the Pany S97, and now connect through HDMI and am happy to report that none of the DVD's that exhibited the sync problem still exist. (Van Helsing opening scenes)
Unfortunately I can't validate whether it is the newer SW version or the HDMI or the switch to the Pany that made the difference.
Hitachi Canada is also aware now, and is working on a solution. The Sony GWIII has the same problem, and resolved it by adding capacitors to some of the boards.

At least for tonight I have bought a new 70VS810 and we shall see if the wife pulls the plug on it before this Saturday when it is to be delivered. She has cold feet right now but they may get freezing before this Saturday.
Everything was ok with her tonight on the money spent but I know she has a way of sleeping on it and then freaking out the next morning. It may not help that I bought a 42" LG Plasma at the same time. If all goes well I will try to report back next week on what I think of the 70" version of the VS810. I would have preferred to see the 70" before buying it but I doubt any will be on a display floor for a long time. I just had to go by what the 50" version looked like at a few CC and by all of the reviews of others that really like the picture (as long as it's not green). I am hoping that since the 70VS810 is just being released this month they will have worked out the bugs that have plagued a few of the posters on here. My dollar limit was 7 thousand so it was either this TV or wait until February for the KDS60XBR100 which should be about 7k also but with twice the picture detail (this is just my guess at the date and price). I know that if I waited that long then my ok for 7k would have probably been reduced to 4k or less by then by the wife nagging me "Do we Really need that?". I pushed for the Quailia 006 for $10,000 and had her there for two days and then it all feel apart. Better to get my 70" TV now before time runs out...

Originally posted by AVSREADER
At least for tonight I have bought a new 70VS810 and we shall see if the wife pulls the plug on it before this Saturday when it is to be delivered. She has cold feet right now but they may get freezing before this Saturday.
Everything was ok with her tonight on the money spent but I know she has a way of sleeping on it and then freaking out the next morning. It may not help that I bought a 42" LG Plasma at the same time. If all goes well I will try to report back next week on what I think of the 70" version of the VS810. I would have preferred to see the 70" before buying it but I doubt any will be on a display floor for a long time. I just had to go by what the 50" version looked like at a few CC and by all of the reviews of others that really like the picture (as long as it's not green). I am hoping that since the 70VS810 is just being released this month they will have worked out the bugs that have plagued a few of the posters on here. My dollar limit was 7 thousand so it was either this TV or wait until February for the KDS60XBR100 which should be about 7k also but with twice the picture detail (this is just my guess at the date and price). I know that if I waited that long then my ok for 7k would have probably been reduced to 4k or less by then by the wife nagging me "Do we Really need that?". I pushed for the Quailia 006 for $10,000 and had her there for two days and then it all feel apart. Better to get my 70" TV now before time runs out...

I searched the forums and google and could not find anything about a: 60XBR100. What is it?

My mistake. I should have stated: (this is just my guess at the model,
date and price for the new XBR models that will come out sometime in the
future)

On the 70VS810 model I was worried that Hitachi was going to try and use
the same Lamp as they have listed for the 50VS810 model (part number
UX21514) but I was able to get in touch with a Hitachi tech and the 70"
has a different part number but that is all he knew (part number UX21515).
One of the fears without being able to audition the 70VS810 in person was
that the screen would be to dark if they didn't up the wattage on the Lamp.
I was able to check out the 50VX915 and felt the Deep Black Anti-Reflective
Shield made the picture to dark for my tastes and I happen to like the
Anti-Reflective (yeah right) Shield on the VS810 series. The room the TV
will be in will not have a problem with reflections and the glass type shield
gives the picture a more plasma look to me. I am just hooked on the look
of the cabinetry of this TV. Now I just have to hope the image will not look
to soft blown up to 70 inches. I have stared at the Sony 70" XBR for many
hours trying to determine if I can live with the softer image when blown up
to that size. I know deep down that only the Quailia SXRD 70" TV will have
enough detail blown up to 70 inches but I'm married and I want to stay that way. So Hitachi 70VS810 lets see what you can do.

Originally posted by rbeaumon
clambone:


Hope this helps.

What it would be good to find are owners that:
- have V0135.0000 (as I have the older 0134.0000)
- use component inputs from DVD and/or HD cable
- do NOT see any synch related issues on fast moving scenes or fast moving scenes with high contrast (lightening strikes, flash bulbs, etc)
........ this would help determine if the new software resolves the problem.

Hitachi is mailing the upgrade today - it will likely take a week to get to me.

Cheers,
Rob
I have the 915 with V0135.0000, use component with HD cable, and have never seen any synch related issues. Good Luck.

3rd 50VS810 arrived last tuesday, no pixels stuck on this one but the green tinge is worse on this than on the previous 2.
Another problem, the picture is pretty crappy. I know what SDE is and this isn't it. Picture a set of see through window sheers and their creases.
Crush that inbetween the TV screen and the anti reflective screen. what you will see is the creases that are present. I am done I think, 4th set? Am I nuts?

casscarr2002 you are not nuts.

I have the same problem with the green and am on my 4th. tv. Just like you it seems to get worse with each new set. Hitachi will not admit to a problem and tells me to contact an authorized service center. The CC tech that did take a look at the tv said it was dirt in the light engine. This was confirmed in a telephone conversation with the Hitachi authorized rep in the Houston area even though he did not actually see the tv like the CC tech did. I just cannot believe that Hitachi is ruining their reputation due to quality issues.

I would like however to give credit to Circuit City. They have been ever so helpful in trying to resolve this issue. They are special ordering a new TV from a completely different lot and we will see what happens.

Attached is a small zip containing some photos of tv # 4 exhibiting the problem.... Notice the greenish color on the bottom left quadrant and the extreme right hand corner. Please note that this is most noticable when your eye level is the same height as the bottom of the screen.

Is there anybody out there that does NOT have this problem to some degree or am I just one of the unlucky ones?:(:(:(

Originally posted by phussary
I have the same problem with the green and am on my 4th. tv. Just like you it seems to get worse with each new set. Hitachi will not admit to a problem and tells me to contact an authorized service center. The CC tech that did take a look at the tv said it was dirt in the light engine. This was confirmed in a telephone conversation with the Hitachi authorized rep in the Houston area even though he did not actually see the tv like the CC tech did. I just cannot believe that Hitachi is ruining their reputation due to quality issues.

I would like however to give credit to Circuit City. They have been ever so helpful in trying to resolve this issue. They are special ordering a new TV from a completely different lot and we will see what happens.


I'm very discouraged with Hitachi as well... on set #3, and green problem occurs in bottom-left quadrant. To make a long story short, it's past my 30 days now for returning the set w/ CC, and with my recent service call (made since I purchased the extended warranty with CC) it took CC five days to find someone to look at the set, and their lead time to look at the set is 2.5 weeks!

To make matters worse, my phone call with the service rep (an independent service rep, not CC or Hitachi) when setting up the appt went something like this -- after describing the problems his response was "you shouldn't expect to have a consistent color across the entire screen, especially when trying to display a pure white image; tv's costing far more than the Hitachi exhibit this, and this is usually within factory specs for the unit". Also, as reported by others as well I have some "smudges" on the microdisplay interior, and his comment was "this shouldn't happen since the microdisplay is sealed at the factory, and this kind of problem would have been caught at the factory"! In other words, I expect that his visit will show "all is fine" with this set!

ugh!

outis,
Since you purchased the extended warranty from CC I would suggest you get a CC tech see what they say. The CC tech that came to my house said it was the light engine and was ready to replace it. They also have a policy that if they cannot fix the problem on the third try they replace the unit.

Is your green problem as bad as mine? My first tv had very little green at the bottom left, right on the border, and it was acceptable. The one I have now is the worst.

Originally posted by phussary
Since you purchased the extended warranty from CC I would suggest you get a CC tech see what they say. The CC tech that came to my house said it was the light engine and was ready to replace it. They also have a policy that if they cannot fix the problem on the third try they replace the unit.

Is your green problem as bad as mine? My first tv had very little green at the bottom left, right on the border, and it was acceptable. The one I have now is the worst.

Thanks for the advice... I'll try calling the CC manager to see what he has to say. Set #2 was very bad for the green bleed (two spots on bottom of screen, each about 1/3rd of the distance from the edge), and this one is much better (but still noticeable on white/light gray). I was tempted to try to get it replaced within the 30 days, but was very fearfull that I would get a unit worse than this one (which is what you've encountered).

Has anyone had the chance to compare a VS180 based set to one of the JVC HD-ILA ones? Any comments on overall black level, CR, color fidelity, etc?

-John

John,
I just bought a 61" d-ila today. Gets delivered monday. Then I can tell you more.
I've been shopping for a month now. I had it down to the vs810, d-ila and the Mits 62" dlp. I really like the Hit. but I was concerned with the number of problems people are reporting and the fact that you can't remove the screen protector. The Mits is very nice as well, but I got some eye strain/headache after watching it for a while. There are a lot of great ones out there. I just thought the JVC was best for me. I thought the blacks where as good as the Mits dlp.

Put in my order Wednesday or my 60" VS810
This thing had better work, it only took me two years of looking before finally settlling on the HItachi. The overall look of a plasma put it over the top and won over the Sony.

Received the s/w upgrade today via Fedex from Hitachi. I upgraded the 50vs810 this evening V0134.0000 ---> V0135.0011.

The s/w upgrade has not resolved the loss of synch problem reported. Configuration & Test sources:
- DVD with component direct into 50vs810
- Lion King 1 1/2, scene 14
- Finding Nemo, scene 8

Will contact Hitachi on Monday.

I have had my set for about 4 weeks now and have just noticed the blob/splotch problem on the left side of the screen. It does go away after an hour or so of watching but it is annoying. Has anyone received an answer/fix to this problem. Is it time to return it and go with something else?

Just checked scene 8 Finding Nemo no problems with sync.. I am using the component input on the 810 with a Pani f65 dvd player ,tv sw vo134.0000.. I have however found one speck of dirt slightly smaller than a pixel near the middle of the screen can't notice it from 3 feet so I'll live with it sounds like if exchange the set I might be worse off..one thing I did notice is that now Hitachi is marketing a free stand this 3 weeks after my stand finally came in on BO have to hit my sales guy up for a free hdmi cable or something... hope you get your issues resolved...cheers

Originally posted by Low Roller
I'd really like to know if these set are capable of 1:1 pixel mapping using a PC.

I believe both the latest ATI Catalyst drivers and the new nVidia Forceware drivers allow custom resolutions to be entered, if you have a newer video card. So it should be possible. I hooked my desktop PC (FX5200 with DVI out) up to a 50VS810 as an "HTPC proof of concept" and was able to come pretty close to 1:1 with about an hour of tweaking Powerstrip (and I'm a complete novice). I now have a 6600 GT card coming early next week (among the other components for my new HTPC), and with that and the latest drivers I'm hopeful I'll be able to get 1:1 -- without even using Powerstrip. I'll post back here with my results, probably next weekend.

Certainly the basic setup was easy -- I got a DVI-HDMI cable, plugged the TV into the computer, it was recognized as an HDTV immediately, and I started playing with resolutions from there.

MattD

Called Hitachi this morning concerning audio sync. I told the rep the audio and video were all out of sync, varying from right on to both early and late. Much of the programming is like watching a bad foreign movie. The rep told me this was a broadcast problem and not an 810 problem. Is this as described by the rep or something germane to my unit only? It does not appear to be a signal strength problem. It is really aggravating to me.

While on signal strength, although the TV is set for digital use, I find the analog input almost useless. I used rabbit ears during my previous life, but the analog channels are extremely lacking and very noisy. The digital channels consistently drop out, with signals going from 55-60 to the low teens, causing video drop-outs. Again, the rep told me this was not a problem with the TV as it was very high-tech and I couldn't compare analog with digital etc etc - I was noddling off by this time - nevertheless, I would think the front end of this TV wasn't meant for use in marginal areas - as I apparently live (back side of a small rise). I installed a previously bought high gain outdoor antenna which is good, but requires a rotor for even small directional changes to lock in all the digital station in town.

Finally, this problem seems to exist on some of my cable channels, with the video dropping out at times although the signal is around 80, as with the antenna. Blacks good (gamma could be better) when set up properly - but vary from station to station. It would be nice to alter the overscan in some settings. Other than this, no blobs, no green shading. Reflections not too bothersome - alot of overhead lighting.

Besides these gripes, the picture is simply outstanding at times but not quite 3D as seem in good plasmas. I have no green shading or blobs so far. My 10 day HHGregg return just expired, so it looks like this 60 incher which replaced my still fully functioning 1985 pioneer monitor is probably a keeper!

Originally posted by rbeaumon
Received the s/w upgrade today via Fedex from Hitachi. I upgraded the 50vs810 this evening V0134.0000 ---> V0135.0011.

The s/w upgrade has not resolved the loss of synch problem reported. Configuration & Test sources:
- DVD with component direct into 50vs810
- Lion King 1 1/2, scene 14
- Finding Nemo, scene 8

Will contact Hitachi on Monday.


Hey rbeaumon,

I hooked up my DVD player with the component cables direct to my 50vx915 today to see if it would have the snyc problem. It does have a snyc problem,now I see what you guys were talking about.

Also try Van Helsing in the beginning when it's black and white(the1st chapter) and it will do it.

Well the Hitachi tech is coming out wed. for my CableCard issue,I guess he will have another thing to fix.I'm just wondering if there related.

Other than those 2 issues,the set has been great with no other problems.

I am saying goodby to Hitachi. After swapping 5 tv's to resolve my green problem I have just given up. The fifth one delivered today has scratches inside the plexiglass cover on the bottom bezel. The wife is furious. CC has been more than helpful while Hitachi could't care less... they just don't deserve my business.
Good luck to those than have been lucky enough to get a good unit.

To All Hitachi VX915 owners -
I've been "this close" to ordering a 50" or 60" BUT have found the issues posted for the Hitachi VS810 in this forum extremely discouraging - because my understanding is that aside from an improved anti-glare screen, there isn't much difference between these two models. I have not located threads that talk about 915 QC issues like I have for the 810? - are 915 owners experiencing problems with their sets?

So all, here is a really lame one. Sorry. Why is the Sammy DLP called a Kirk?

Originally posted by rbeaumon
So all, here is a really lame one. Sorry. Why is the Sammy DLP called a Kirk?
rbeaumon,
It's cause people think it looks like something out of Star Trek, i.e. Capt. Kirk. It only applies for the HLP5085 model with the pedestal stand.

Originally posted by azran
rbeaumon,
It's cause people think it looks like something out of Star Trek, i.e. Capt. Kirk. It only applies for the HLP5085 model with the pedestal stand.


Well, actually it applies also to the HLP5685... ;)

I am saying goodby to Hitachi. After swapping 5 tv's to resolve my green problem I have just given up. The fifth one delivered today has scratches inside the plexiglass cover on the bottom bezel. The wife is furious. CC has been more than helpful while Hitachi could't care less... they just don't deserve my business.
Good luck to those than have been lucky enough to get a good unit.
That really is a damn shame. If you bought the sets from the same CC then it may be a problem with the production run that your local CC received, assuming they're all from the same batch.

I took a chance and bought my 60VS810 on-line and I think I got lucky. I suspect that I may have a slight green tint issue but I won't be able to tell for sure until after I calibrate the set using the latest Digital Video Essentials DVD. I do notice a slight greenish tint with flesh tones but I've only done a rough adjustment of the controls based on what others have reported for the 50" model. I just ordered a Sony 975 DVD player with HDMI output so I can adjust the picture for the HDMI inputs on the set. I use two HDTivos as my primary program sources via the HDMI connections so I want to make sure they're set up properly.

I'm curious if anyone has gone through the calibration for the HDMI/component inputs and found any variation when switching between the HDMI and component jacks for the same assigned input (i.e. input 1 or 2)? I am unsure as to whether or not the HDMI and component inputs can be adjusted independently of each other since they share the same input asignments. In other words, can HDMI input 1 be adjusted without affecting the settings for component input 1 and vice versa?

Originally posted by PackFan
OK. I just saw the manual. There are 2 component and 2 HDMI. So you can use 2 component and no HDMI, 1 component and 1 HDMI, or no component and 2 HDMI? Am I getting that right? At least with the cable card, it isn't necessary to use a digital input for cable TV, but if I use an HDMI input for a cable HD-DVR, I lose an HD input?

Thanks for any clarification you can give...

Wupshaw posted about this earlier. You can put an HDMI and component source in both inputs of input 1 (or 2). If both sources are powered up, the HDMI source will take priority. THus, you can share the input. The only issue is if an HDMI source constantly is on (certain TIVO/DVR's have this problem)

Here's a related question: Has anyone connected a Voom receiver or any other device using a DVI to HDMI cable? My Voom installer said other customers have complained about the quality with this kind of cable. My Voom wont be installed until Saturday.

Thanks!

P.S. Again, I'm totally loving my 60vs810 delivered from CC one month ago. Even DVDs on my interlaced player look great. I have not had any green bleed, blobs, scratches, hairs, or sync problems. Now I can't wait to actually start receiving some HDTV.

Originally posted by captain_video
...I suspect that I may have a slight green tint issue but I won't be able to tell for sure until after I calibrate the set using the latest Digital Video Essentials DVD. I do notice a slight greenish tint with flesh tones but I've only done a rough adjustment of the controls based on what others have reported for the 50" model. I just ordered a Sony 975 DVD player with HDMI output so I can adjust the picture for the HDMI inputs on the set. I use two HDTivos as my primary program sources via the HDMI connections so I want to make sure they're set up properly.... [/B]
captain_video,
Be careful adjusting the green tint of your TV with the Sony 975 - it has a known issue with green depression. It seems to me that you might not see a problem over your DVD player connection because the green colors will be underrepresented (if that's a word :) ). If you then apply the same settings to your HDTivos, things might be a little funny. For more info, consult the Owner's Thread for that unit. Paul Bigelow started the thread and another similar one for the Panny 97S player - they are excellent threads and the first post is a running synopsis of the entire thread so you should be able to just read the first post and get a good idea of how the player will perform.

Originally posted by captain_video


I'm curious if anyone has gone through the calibration for the HDMI/component inputs and found any variation when switching between the HDMI and component jacks for the same assigned input (i.e. input 1 or 2)? I am unsure as to whether or not the HDMI and component inputs can be adjusted independently of each other since they share the same input asignments. In other words, can HDMI input 1 be adjusted without affecting the settings for component input 1 and vice versa?


captain_video ,

No you cannot , most of your setting are per input shared or not.

Hope this helps;
Hoss

Just thought to update this thread that last night I swapped my Hitachi with the Sony 55WF655 and could not have been happier with my decision. The Sony beats the Hitachi in just about everything except ergonomics. Most of all there is no green whatsoever, just true vibrant colors and the black levels are excellent.

I also went through the unit like a toothcomb looking for any manufacturing defects and could not find any whatsoever. If Hitachi ever gets their act back together again and resolves the issues I had with my tv I may consider purchasing another unit in the future and move the Sony to my game room, but for now I am a happy camper.

azran - Thanks for the info on the Sony 975. I'll check out the thread at my first opportunity.

The other day I was switching between inputs on my 60VS810 and somehow got an all white screen to be displayed. Sure enough, I have the green glow in the lower left-hand quadrant just like many of the 50VS810 owners have discovered. I am in the unfortunate position of having purchased my unit from an on-line vendor so I'm wondering if this is an issue I can take up with Hitachi directly. I also purchased a 5-year extended warranty for the Hitachi from a 3rd party through the vendor but I'm not sure if this is something they can do anything about.

Aside from returning the unit to the seller, which is not an option in my case, what has anyone else been able to do to have this situation resolved? Will this involve a replacement of the light engine or some other major assembly?

I ordered my Hitachi 50VS810 LCD RPTV on Friday night and it was delivered yesterday. Got a decent deal from Circuit City, $4200 all in including the set, stand, Samsung HDDVD player, and 5 year service contract.

All I can say is WOW. I turned on the set and it was like magic. I already have a 50" 4:3 HDTV (Mits CRT), which was/is great, but this thing blew my mind. I popped in Finding Nemo during dinner for my daughter, and both my wife and I were mesmerized by the 'moving photograph' quality of the image. Simply stunning.

No green blobs, dead pixels or any other negatives to report. Couldn't be happier.

Still trying to find all the best picture settings with so many optiones/variables though.

I literally can't imagine a better picture. Crisp, bright, and exceptionally detailed. DVD's and HD look gorgeous, upscaled SD (DirecTV via HD receiver) looks excellent; only the picture from my SD DirecTV Tivo fed via a long/cheap S-Video cable looks like it needs work...

Just wanted to say that it's not all bad with this set.

Could it be that the green bleed/blob issue is environment/electrical based? Seems like some are not having it at all, while others get it over and over again with multiple sets. This would lead me to believe that there is something in those homes that is causing it...

I do not have any green blobs at all. Knock on wood.

Purchased a 50VS810 last week and so far am very happy with it. HD looks awesome.

However, SD isn't as clear as I would like (yes ... I know SD is never totally clear).

I have a HD DirecTivo box set to 460i / full mode / TV size of 16:9 when watching 4:3 content and am running the 50VS810 aspect ratio at 4:3 enhanced. Even 4:3 w/ gray bars (via 50VS810 aspect ratio at 4:3 standard) is fuzzy.

Has anyone had luck selling the DirecTivo box as TV size of 4:3 then using full mode to enhance SD video quality?

Any pointers on how to improve the 4:3 image quality?

I don't think there's a whole lot you're going to be able to do to improve the standard def image. I have both standard def DTivos and HDTivos and I'm surprised to see that the standard def image actually looks fairly decent when compared to my former Mitsubishi 50" RPTV. In fact, it looks a heck of a lot better than it used to. The Mits was extremely grainy in comparison. I'm pretty pleased with the way the 810 displays standard def when I compare it to what I used to watch. Just remember - garbage in, garbage out.

I'm about to pull the trigger on this set to replace an aging 36" direct view CRT, but have held off on upgrading SD until now based upon concerns over how SD will look.

The reality for viewing in my house, is that for the foreseeable future, the vast majority of our viewing will be SD, which we now watch via Tivo. It took me a while to get used to Tivo due to the deterioration of my signal, and I am worried that it will look unwatchable when I "upgrade" to the Hitachi.

Many on this thread have said that their SD is great, but I'm not really sure what they mean. Is it that SD is great for an HD set, or for any set? In other words, will my SD viewing experience deteroriate from what I have now on my old CRT, and if so, to what extent?

I currently connect my Pany DVD S97 into my Vs810 using the HDMI cable, and use the Optical out from the TV to my Yamaha Rxv595 receiver. I have set the HDMI audio to bitstream from the pany. Can someone please explain why my receiver only outputs in Prologic and not DD 5.1? I thought the whole purpose of HDMI was to transport a digital video and multi-channel audio signal .

Just a note that when I'm watching an HD OTA channel, my receiver will always recognize and display DD 5.1.
To get around this problem for now, I have connected a separate Optical cable from the S97 directly into my receiver.

thanks

Makanmata - I think you'll be pleased at how good SD broadcasts look on this set. The main issue will be with the quality of the transmission. If you still have analog cable it will still look like crap. If you have DTV, Dish, or digital cable then I suspect you will be very happy with what you see. The output from my DTivos never looked as good on my 50" CRT-based RPTV as they do on the Hitachi. However, you may want to start saving up to get yourself a HDTivo. The prices are gradually coming down and they can be had for about $850 on ebay vs. what they were selling for several months ago ($1000 and up).

Originally posted by 951Glenn
I currently connect my Pany DVD S97 into my Vs810 using the HDMI cable, and use the Optical out from the TV to my Yamaha Rxv595 receiver. I have set the HDMI audio to bitstream from the pany. Can someone please explain why my receiver only outputs in Prologic and not DD 5.1? I thought the whole purpose of HDMI was to transport a digital video and multi-channel audio signal .

Most likely the 810 is discarding the 4 "extra" channels before it passes it on out the optical out. Maybe the HDMI specification does not allow anything more than stereo to be converted to a traditional digital connection?

I am getting the Panny S97 for Christmas to go along with my 810 and was hoping to use my optical out for both DVD DD/DTS and HD OTA (which works) as you describe it...but it sounds like that is a no go. I would have been able to save an optical input on my receiver that way.

By the way, how is the PQ with the 810/S97 combo? Is macroblocking a big issue? Thanks.

Originally posted by 951Glenn
I currently connect my Pany DVD S97 into my Vs810 using the HDMI cable, and use the Optical out from the TV to my Yamaha Rxv595 receiver. I have set the HDMI audio to bitstream from the pany. Can someone please explain why my receiver only outputs in Prologic and not DD 5.1? I thought the whole purpose of HDMI was to transport a digital video and multi-channel audio signal .

Just a note that when I'm watching an HD OTA channel, my receiver will always recognize and display DD 5.1.
To get around this problem for now, I have connected a separate Optical cable from the S97 directly into my receiver.

thanks


951Glenn,

I tried the same thing as you,and got no DD 5.1

It seems the optical out on the TV is for the TV tuner only.That is too get the DD 5.1 sound.
Hope this helps.

Originally posted by captain_video
Makanmata - I think you'll be pleased at how good SD broadcasts look on this set. The main issue will be with the quality of the transmission. If you still have analog cable it will still look like crap. If you have DTV, Dish, or digital cable then I suspect you will be very happy with what you see. The output from my DTivos never looked as good on my 50" CRT-based RPTV as they do on the Hitachi. However, you may want to start saving up to get yourself a HDTivo. The prices are gradually coming down and they can be had for about $850 on ebay vs. what they were selling for several months ago ($1000 and up).

Thanks Captain. We have digital cable through Time Warner in New York, New York. Hopefully it will be ok. For whatever it is worth, I can say that the SD signal I saw at the local retailer (who was not at all happy about my request to turn it on) looked by far the best on the Hitachi, and only the Sony RPLCD was close. Frankly, I hope that the picture looks a lot better than SD on a 50"CRT RPTV, since most of those that I have seen I found pretty objectionable PQ wise. I'm hoping that with a cable card it will be acceptable. I just hope that I'm not shooting myself in the foot with the new set.

I am pretty much resigned to gettign rid of the Tivo, but unfortunately HDTivo wouldn't seem to be an option for me since I don't have a satellite. I really can't understand why Tivo seems to be abandoning the cable market as folks switch to HD. I would buy it if it would work with my system.

Originally posted by Hoss 315
951Glenn,

I tried the same thing as you,and got no DD 5.1

It seems the optical out on the TV is for the TV tuner only.That is too get the DD 5.1 sound.
Hope this helps.

Hoss,
Thanks for the confirmation. I'll call the "Green blob " resolvers in the AM and post their reply. I received a reply from the S97 forum expert:

"HDMI does transmit multi-channel audio, but only within the secure HDMI realm. The security has been broken.

Just a couple of guesses:

1. It might be possible that the Hitachi TV is treating the the HDMI digital audio input as strictly two channel.

2. It is also possible that since the HDMI "chain" is broken, is now optical, and no longer digitally secure (HDCP) that the signal is dumbed down to two channel digital for the optical (I think this the most likely reason).

What happens to DVD-Audio discs with this connection? Two channel as well? Any audio?

Does the Hitachi manual make any mention of HDMI audio and the results of the various connections?"

Paul

Originally posted by mwgordon
Most likely the 810 is discarding the 4 "extra" channels before it passes it on out the optical out. Maybe the HDMI specification does not allow anything more than stereo to be converted to a traditional digital connection?
By the way, how is the PQ with the 810/S97 combo? Is macroblocking a big issue? Thanks.

MW,
If you haven't already, you should check out the S97 thread where you'll find all the pros and cons you can handle. Personally, I think the s97/810 is a fantastic combination with respect to PQ. There is some MB on some DVD's on certain low light or hazy scenes, but not enough to bother me at all. You really have to look for it, and focus your attention off of the main picture.
But just a word of warning, don't take my advise, I pretty new to the newer technology, and still climbing the veritcal learning curve. Macro-green-crush-pixelsticking-push-blobs are alll new to me. In fact, these forums had me convinced that white is pink and black is green.. :)

glenn

Originally posted by 951Glenn
MW,
If you haven't already, you should check out the S97 thread where you'll find all the pros and cons you can handle. Personally, I think the s97/810 is a fantastic combination with respect to PQ. There is some MB on some DVD's on certain low light or hazy scenes, but not enough to bother me at all. You really have to look for it, and focus your attention off of the main picture.glenn

Yeah, I have been following that one too; I agree, there are a lot of pros and cons. Its good to hear from someone who has exactly what I have and likes it.

One other question, are you running the S97 at 1080i or 720p? Can you see a difference between the two? Thanks.

MW,
I've tried both, and believe that at 1080i, the PQ is slightly refined, enough so that I can't reproduce the PQ at 720 using the available offsets.

Hello:

Is there a post in the forum with the video settings for the 50vs810? I have searched with various combinations of search terms and could find anything.

I have had my 50vs810 for two weeks now and have had none of the green blob issues or any other defects. I will be getting an antenna for Chrismas that will hope fuly solve the multpath problems that occur occasionally.

Thanks,

Barry

I have a 60VS810, and while I am generally very pleased, I am having some problems getting good color on many of the DirecTV stations, including some HD broadcasts. Frequently the image has poor contrast (i.e., washed-out looking) or bad color gradients in shaded or low-light images. This is particularly noticable with peoples faces and hair.

Are any of you having similar issues with DirecTV picture quality on the VS810. I am using a Samsung TS360 receiver using DVI-to-HDMI. I would really like to hear what color settings others are using on the VS810 for a DirecTV-to-HDMI input.

HDN transmits a Test Pattern every Tuesday at 8am - I am hoping this will help better adjust my settings which were established using DVE on a DVD-to-Component input. My current settings are:

Contrast: 100% (Could afford to go higher if it were possible)
Brightness: 28% (Point where best black-level is achieved)
Color: 28%
Tint: Centered
Sharpness: 10% (doesn't seem to do much)
Black Enhancement: Off
Contrast Mode: Normal (Dynamic doesn't solve my issues)
Color Temperature: Medium

Hey jdirish,

I used Avia to adjust my set and here are my setting.

Contrast: 63%
Brightness: 50%
Color: 26%
Tint: Centered
Sharpness: 20%
Black Enhancement: Off
Contrast Mode: Normal
Color Temperature: High


Try these setting and see what you think,you can set these setting to your night setting and keep your setting on day and switch back and forth.

Hope this helps ya.

Ordered my vs810 on Friday and CC delivered on Saturday. The TV itself is a work of art. The picture on SD looks great depending on the channel and the limited OTA HD I've seen looked pretty good. So far, No defects found, knock on wood, and I am loving this giant screen!!! Nick

well, just had local service out today to look at two problems:
a) green bleed in llh corner
b) "smudges" inside the screen

good news is that the service guy admits these are problems, and is ordering new light engine and screen. bad news is who knows how long to get new parts in. bad news is it will take two service people to fix it.

problems are not bad enough that i can't enjoy the set, and since they don't have to take the set away i'm happy...

Originally posted by Sport73
Could it be that the green bleed/blob issue is environment/electrical based? Seems like some are not having it at all, while others get it over and over again with multiple sets.
I do not have any green blobs at all. Knock on wood.

Not likely. for two reasons:

1) It took my 3 sets but I finally got a bleed-free set. The only thing that changed in my set up with set #3 was the set.

2) CC put my set #1 on the floor as an open box special; still had the green bleed; it was 10 feet from their demo model which was bleed free.

Originally posted by jdirish
I have a 60VS810, and while I am generally very pleased, I am having some problems getting good color on many of the DirecTV stations, including some HD broadcasts. Frequently the image has poor contrast (i.e., washed-out looking) or bad color gradients in shaded or low-light images. This is particularly noticable with peoples faces and hair.

My current settings are:

Contrast: 100% (Could afford to go higher if it were possible)
Brightness: 28% (Point where best black-level is achieved)
Color: 28%
Tint: Centered
Sharpness: 10% (doesn't seem to do much)
Black Enhancement: Off
Contrast Mode: Normal (Dynamic doesn't solve my issues)
Color Temperature: Medium

Have you tried hoss' settings? Also, I can't believe you calibrated contrast at 100% with DVE. Most people here using DVE or AVIA wind up with contrast in the 50% range. Believe it or not, you'll get better detail with lower contrast. With your contrast down, brightness will need to be higher, of course.

Also, i think most people here have found the best color reproduction is in high mode, with the green decoder setting reduced a few notches.

Originally posted by outis
well, just had local service out today to look at two problems:
a) green bleed in llh corner
b) "smudges" inside the screen

good news is that the service guy admits these are problems, and is ordering new light engine and screen. bad news is who knows how long to get new parts in. bad news is it will take two service people to fix it.

problems are not bad enough that i can't enjoy the set, and since they don't have to take the set away i'm happy...

I almost had the light engine replaced on my second set for the green bleed problem. It took about 2.5 weeks for the local service tech (in NJ) to
get the part. I wound up getting a new set since I was in my 30 days.

BTW, I've had set #3 for over a month, and no green bleed...knock on wood. I have the smudge problem but it goes away in 20 minutes. Since it's been reported by owners of the two other sets I was considering (the Sammy 85 and 74 series), I decided to hang on to the 810, which I otherwise love.

Let us know if your new screen helps.

Good luck.

Greetings, I have the 50VS810 and the only problem I have is a smudge on the inner screen. Will the "screen wipe" option clear that or is it an inherent problem with these sets. The smudge is only really visible on white backgrounds and is gone in about 30 minutes-45 minutes.

I have a 50v500. A few months ago part of the screen turned into a color sponge the size of a softball. I thought it may have a cluster of stuck pixels. The service tech claims it's a piece of foam from the screen seal(?).
Whatever.
He said he would order a light engine and be back in a few days to fix it.
It has now been close to two months. No light engine. TV still not fixed.
I have been on the phone with circuit city everyday. I expect a call back today from someone in the corporate office about an exchange.
My question- should I replace it with another 50v500 or pay a little extra and go with the VS810?
It sounds like the VS has major issues where the 50v500 (while it had some) does not.
The reason I ask- If the VS is so bad why are people no longer buying the 50v500?
Circuit City is still selling it at a reduced price.

thanks.

People are buying the VS810's over the V500's because they're the next generation LCD RPTVs and are flat out better. They apparently do have some bugs to work out but hopefully they'll get resolved. I've got the 60VS810 and absolutely love it. I did discover that I have the green tint issue and plan on contacting Hitachi about it. I'm hearing that it usually involves replacing the light engine since I can't return the set to where I bought it.

How is it that Hitachi shipped the VS with bad light engines. The problem is fixed by replacing this bad light engine with another one?.....is it the same light engine? or if not- why not install the good light engine from the start?

Also, how large is the light engine? And how long will it take a Tech to replace? It sounds like a delicate job. I assume the tech should know what he is doing. Unfortunately, I have little trust in the guy CC sent to my apartment.

thanks.

Originally posted by franky9
Greetings, I have the 50VS810 and the only problem I have is a smudge on the inner screen. Will the "screen wipe" option clear that or is it an inherent problem with these sets. The smudge is only really visible on white backgrounds and is gone in about 30 minutes-45 minutes.


franky9,

I have the same problem too, and the " screen wipe" will not get rid of it.

Mine also goes away in about an hour or so.

The tech is coming out next tue. with some parts to fix my CC issue,he is also going to try and fix my smudge problem.I'll post if he can find a fix.

Saw the 70" at Circuit City today... Very impressive... :)

Originally posted by captain_video
People are buying the VS810's over the V500's because they're the next generation LCD RPTVs and are flat out better. They apparently do have some bugs to work out but hopefully they'll get resolved. I've got the 60VS810 and absolutely love it. I did discover that I have the green tint issue and plan on contacting Hitachi about it. I'm hearing that it usually involves replacing the light engine since I can't return the set to where I bought it.

I was authorized a return on my 50v500 (color Blotch) and was all set to upgrade to the vs810 until I saw it. The floor demo did not have the green bleed- but that screen is a mirror! I was completely distracted by it. The image was also very dark compared to the Panasonic LCD and old Hitachi 50v500. But that could be an in store settings issue.

I couldn't justify spending an extra $700 for a Television with that thick glass screen. I wanted to embrace this new model- I just don't see how the 810 is flat out better than the 50v.
IMO- The picture quality was no better and I could not deal with the vs810 reflective screen.

I went with a 50v500 even exchage.

Originally posted by franky9
Greetings, I have the 50VS810 and the only problem I have is a smudge on the inner screen. Will the "screen wipe" option clear that or is it an inherent problem with these sets. The smudge is only really visible on white backgrounds and is gone in about 30 minutes-45 minutes.

Franky,

That is a known defect by the screen manufacture. I spent allot of time trying to figure out what was wrong on my 50v500. I had it replaced and have not seen the problem again. It's related to cold weather. cost about 500.00

You can do a search on the original 50v500 thread under smudges and get lots of info on it.

Bruce

Originally posted by Bacffin
That is a known defect by the screen manufacture. I spent allot of time trying to figure out what was wrong on my 50v500. I had it replaced and have not seen the problem again. It's related to cold weather. cost about 500.00

I agree it seems to be cold-weather related. I have had my 810 for a couple of months now and started to see blotches that would disappear after a while. Recently, as its gotten colder, it seems to be more prevalent. After the TV warms up for a while, it goes away.

I wanted to embrace this new model- I just don't see how the 810 is flat out better than the 50v.
If you couldn't see the difference then my first reaction would be that the 810 was probably not adjusted correctly. The factory defaults don't do this set justice, IMHO. I've seen them both in the same showroom and the 50V500 wasn't even close to the same quality as the 50VS810 when set up properly.

The reflective screen can be a deal breaker for some if you plan on installing the 810 in a room with lots of ambient light. I have my 60VS810 in a finished basement and the reflective screen doesn't detract one bit fom the absolutely gorgeous picture this set can reproduce. Besides, the 810 series is one generation newer than the V500 so it just makes sense to go with the latest version on any new technology. You exchanged your V500 for outdated technology but if you enjoy looking at it more than the 810 then go with what makes you happy.

Originally posted by mwgordon
I agree it seems to be cold-weather related. I have had my 810 for a couple of months now and started to see blotches that would disappear after a while. Recently, as its gotten colder, it seems to be more prevalent. After the TV warms up for a while, it goes away.

You can also get rid of the smudges faster by wiping the effected areas with a soft cloth, pressing the panels together. use caution when doing this though.

Does anyone know how to get the vs810 to reset/reboot? When I press the power button the red LEDs (temp and lamp) come on briefly, then go out--the blue power LED flashes at intermediate speed, but no sound/picture/fan (TV appears to be off except for the flashing blue light). If I press the power button a second time while the blue LED is flashing, it flashes more quickly, then goes out after approximately 2 minutes. Unplugged the TV overnight hoping for a reset that way, but no luck. A service tech is scheduled for Tuesday, but I'm hoping one of the AVS Forum members might have the answer. This problem started last night when the power button was inadvertently pressed while the lamp door was off.

Prior to the above, the vs810 has been great--excellent PQ, none of the green blob or screen issues mentioned elsewhere in the forum.

Originally posted by wupshaw
I'm not having any issues with black levels or green tint on my set. I've attached a couple of pictures (although a bit out of focus and taken on a 5 year old camera). The pic of the white screen looks like it has some wierd tinting thing in the corners - but I swear that only showed up in the picture. The screen itself was almost perfectly white when I snapped except for a "teeny-tiny" bit of shading in the extreme corners - certainly nothing to write home about.

BONUS: Pics of Apple Powerbook connected to the VS810! I forgot to snap some 720p movie trailers while I had it connected, but oh well.


Pic of SD DirecTV:


wupshaw,

What stretch mode are you using in this pic? That looks pretty impressive compared to my friend's 46F500's stretch modes. Do you know if Hitachi has improved their stretch modes with each successive generation?

Thanks.

hey all.

i was all set to purchase a new mits 52725 until i found the thread about all of the brighness issues. don't want/need that headache. so now i have decided on the 50vs810. i have an older sony dvd player which is not progressive scan, so i need to get a new one. i was looking at a denon 1910 or something similar. in the $300-350 range, what would you recommend? should i look at an upscaling or what? thanks for the input.

~paul

Hello;

I have been following this thread for awhile, I know this is an 810 thread but I happened into a high end dealer who carries the 60vx915 and 70vx915. Both of these sets seemed quite dark in the showroom. The other RPTV (mits) next to the Hitachi seemed much brighter. I adjusted the Hitachi from 40% to 60% brightness and it looked better but the black levels seemed to turn to dark grey.

My Question " Is the brightness level adequate for an average lite room?

By the way the Hitachi 55" plasma looked great!

Thanks

kmo98,

Black levels are an inherent issue with LCD technology. If you do a search in the older 50v500 and sony threads, there is quite a bunch of info on the subject.

Bruce

Originally posted by paul scheffler
hey all.

i was all set to purchase a new mits 52725 until i found the thread about all of the brighness issues. don't want/need that headache. so now i have decided on the 50vs810. i have an older sony dvd player which is not progressive scan, so i need to get a new one. i was looking at a denon 1910 or something similar. in the $300-350 range, what would you recommend? should i look at an upscaling or what? thanks for the input.

~paul

Take a look at the Panasonic DVD-S97S if you are looking at the 1910.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?threadid=463025&goto=newpost

Originally posted by kmo98
Hello;

I have been following this thread for awhile, I know this is an 810 thread but I happened into a high end dealer who carries the 60vx915 and 70vx915. Both of these sets seemed quite dark in the showroom. The other RPTV (mits) next to the Hitachi seemed much brighter. I adjusted the Hitachi from 40% to 60% brightness and it looked better but the black levels seemed to turn to dark grey.

My Question " Is the brightness level adequate for an average lite room?

By the way the Hitachi 55" plasma looked great!

Thanks

Hey kmo98 ,

I have the 50vx915,try the setting I posted on page 29 and see what you think.

I have mine in the basement so no help there but it does seem the Hitachi has a softer picture.Just the same I'm loving the picture with no regrets other than I think I should of got the 60" since I'm sitting back 12-13 feet.

Originally posted by paul scheffler
hey all.

i was all set to purchase a new mits 52725 until i found the thread about all of the brighness issues. don't want/need that headache. so now i have decided on the 50vs810. i have an older sony dvd player which is not progressive scan, so i need to get a new one. i was looking at a denon 1910 or something similar. in the $300-350 range, what would you recommend? should i look at an upscaling or what? thanks for the input.

~paul

Hey Paul,

I would say that you need a new one.

The Sony DVP-NS597V or the Panasonic DVD-S97S which mwgordon said,are good choices too.

What I like about the upscaling unit is that they have HDMI output,which goes right to the Hitachi HDMI input.I'm not sure if other non-upscaling units in your price range have the HDMI output.

Those 3 seem to be the best in your price range,there is alot reading about all of them over in the DVD players forum.

Hope this helps and good luck finding a new player.

thanks for the feedback. the overload of information is enough to make your head spin. added to all of that is the stress of buying a new receiver too. good problem to have i guess, but sheeeeesh. i've been reading alot over at the dvd forum and i keep hearing the panny 97 and sony 975 mentioned, so i will be sure to check those out. thanks again.

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My Question " Is the brightness level adequate for an average lite room?"
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Sunlight is the light that makes viewing hard on this screen. You can have all the lights on in the house at night and still have a nice picture but once sunlight gets into the room the picture will get dimmer and dimmer the more sunlight the room gets. Every house is different but this is not one of the brighter TV's. It looks plain awesome at night but during the daylight hours in a brightly lit room by sunlight you can forget it. It is like the Vampire of TV's. I'll say it again, I feel that this TV has the best RPTV picture out right now but ONLY at night or in the dark.

Yesterday I set up my new 50VX915, and for now am very happy with my purchase. I have a cable card in one input, an SA3250 in another (presently through component but eventually through HDMI), and Tivo in another through composites.

The reception through the cable card is fantastic for all formats. HD of course is great, practically 3D on good channels like Discovery HD, and filmlike on HBOHD and SHOWHD. I am more pleased though at how well SD looks through the cable card. Digital SD channels are even better than they looked on by old 36" CRT, and analog channels not significantly worse, and certainly watchable.

Programming through the STB is less terrific -- and Tivo worse still -- and I strongly suggest that you go for the Cable Card if you get this set.

Overall, I am very happy. Usually on purchases like this, I keep the box for 30 days in case buyers remorse sets in, but I won't do that for this TV. So far I am thankfully defect free, and have no glare problems with a wall of windows oblique to the set. I have replaced the out of the box setting with those a poster using Avia was kind enough to post here -- much thanks!! -- and my blacks and colors and brightness levels are perfect.

We've had the 70vx915 for about 2 weeks now, and overall we are very happy with it. However, there are a couple of things: 1) In between movie scenes, when the screen turns dark for a second, there are some lighter areas resembling the last images displayed. They all go away immediately once the new scene is displayed. Is this considered fairly normal? It doesn't bother me too much, I just don't want it to get worse over time. 2) There is a slight hour-glass like distorsion visible mostly in 4:3 mode. The 2 vertical side bars curve in towards the middle of the screen about 3/8". It is also visible in 16:9 hd, but only if you look for it carefully and only if there is a straight object like a light pole at either far edge of the screen. I must say that this distorsion only applies to straigt long objects at the vertical edges of the screen and it does not affect regular objects. I saw 2 other sets displayed at 2 different dealers same thing. I looked at a 60", same thing but given the smaller size of the screen it was almost unnoticeable. I called Hitachi, they sent a tech out. He said he'd seen this with other brands, too and that it was "normal". On the other side, Hitachi technicians ran some test at their lab, called me back and said the same thing, that it normal. We've had a lot of friends over to watch movies since we got it, and noone has noticed it. The woman loves it, she can't notice it either, and to be fair it is not bad in that it doesn't adversely affect the overall image which looks proportional. I was just wondering if anyone else saw it, and if so, if there is anything that can be done to help it. Other than this, it is bright, sharp and I love the clean edges.

i have an older sony dvd player which is not progressive scan, so i need to get a new one. i was looking at a denon 1910 or something similar. in the $300-350 range, what would you recommend?
You may want to think about what kind of picture quality you expect to see. You have a $4K HDTV and you're thinking about using a $350 DVD player with it? That's kind of like powering a Ferrari with an old VW Beetle engine. If you want the best picture quality you can get then you may want to reconsider your purchase.

I was in the same boat recently and decided to look for a new DVD player with HDMI output, mostly so I could use the DVD calibration disc to set up the HDMI inputs on my 60VS810. I had ordered a Sony 975 but then cancelled it when I found out the vendor didn't have it in stock. I re-ordered it through another vendor and then made the mistake of reading the DVD player forum here. Needless to say I ended up refusing delivery on the 975 and ended up ordering a Marantz DV-9500 universal disc player instead.

Now the Marantz is a bit pricey ($2100 list) and probably isn't what you're looking for but there are quite a few other players that list for far less that you might want to consider. The Pioneer 59avi and Denon 3910 are two players on my short list that list for about $1100 but can generally be found in the $800-850 range ffrom on-line vendors. Note that Pioneer has no authorized Elite dealers that officially sell the 59avi at a discount but there are some that will work with you. There are other highly rated players that list for less but you'll have to decide what it is you want the player to do. The players I wa looking at all had HDMI outputs and were considered universal players in that they could play just about every disc format including SACD and DVD Audio discs. If these features are not important to you then check out the DVD player forum for lower priced models.

Originally posted by bokes
I was authorized a return on my 50v500 (color Blotch) and was all set to upgrade to the vs810 until I saw it. The floor demo did not have the green bleed- but that screen is a mirror! I was completely distracted by it. The image was also very dark compared to the Panasonic LCD and old Hitachi 50v500. But that could be an in store settings issue.

I couldn't justify spending an extra $700 for a Television with that thick glass screen. I wanted to embrace this new model- I just don't see how the 810 is flat out better than the 50v.
IMO- The picture quality was no better and I could not deal with the vs810 reflective screen.

I went with a 50v500 even exchage.

When I had this problem with my older big black box before my 50v500, I shut the blinds, curtain's, drapes, Christmas tree, etc. and the problem went away. Works great! Are you sure the extra 700 bucks is related to glare or is it just convenience related?

Originally posted by captain_video
You may want to think about what kind of picture quality you expect to see. You have a $4K HDTV and you're thinking about using a $350 DVD player with it? That's kind of like powering a Ferrari with an old VW Beetle engine. If you want the best picture quality you can get then you may want to reconsider your purchase.



ok then, you call and explain all of that to my wife. ha! problem is, i just built a house (been in for 8 weeks) and need a dehumidifier for the basement and a sump pump battery backup, not to mention the other countless odds and ends. i convinced my wife to let me get the 810 and also a pioneer elite 54tx (which wasn't easy.....she's a financial analyst and does the books here too.) but i got her buy in on those 2 things. she's already flipping out about the cost of HDMI cables, so i don't want to push it with a $800 dvd player. but i guess i could always start accepting donations. seriously, i guess all i really want is a good player that will look....well, really good. i'm all ears if you have suggestions, but blowing out the home theater budget more than i have will get me divorced. but at least, then i could spend what i want. hmmmm.........

I am beginning to think that Hitachi is dumping all their sets with QC issues up here in Canada. Either that or all of the vs810 series have a green bleed issue. All the sets in Winnipeg have it, and as I am on holidays here in BC, I went to the showroom here and discovered the same thing on their sets including the 60 incher. are those of you who say your sets are without defect absolutely sure? I have looked at 6 or 7 sets now all with the same problem. has anybody here in Canada not had an issue with it?
I know that if you are not aware that there may be an issue, you probably would not notice it. I love the TV, but am beginning to think I may have to live with it. I exchanged once only to get a set with a worse green problem.

merry x-mas!

ok then, you call and explain all of that to my wife. ha! problem is, i just built a house (been in for 8 weeks) and need a dehumidifier for the basement and a sump pump battery backup, not to mention the other countless odds and ends. i convinced my wife to let me get the 810 and also a pioneer elite 54tx (which wasn't easy.....she's a financial analyst and does the books here too.) but i got her buy in on those 2 things. she's already flipping out about the cost of HDMI cables, so i don't want to push it with a $800 dvd player. but i guess i could always start accepting donations. seriously, i guess all i really want is a good player that will look....well, really good. i'm all ears if you have suggestions, but blowing out the home theater budget more than i have will get me divorced. but at least, then i could spend what i want. hmmmm.........

I feel your pain, dude! Now that I know your situation then the suggestions of going with either the Panny 97S or the Sony 975 would probably be a good choice for the here and now. As for the cost of HDMI cables, check out monoprices.com for some cheap prices on cables. I've never ordered from them and can't vouch for the quality of the cables but I'm guessing they're OEM quality at best. I think most of the HDMI cables I've seen so far have been ridiculously overpriced and will probably stay that way until HDMI saturates the market a lot more than it already has.

I have been interested in the 50vs810 since I first saw it at CC in October... It seems like everyone has been giving this TV chance after chance to find a good one.... For all of you out there that have a good one with no issues,...... is it really that awesome??????? I have had green bleeding in the past before and don't like it at all.... I realized that my massive surround sound speakers were to close to the TV... However it was a 32 inch tube... LCD shoudn't have any problems with huge speakers and magnets, should it?? As I moved my speakers away from the TV you could actually see the green move, then go away. I am a novice with rear projection technology... I have no problem with the glare and I am close to pulling the trigger,,,, Should I??????

I've had the set now for about a month and it IS that awesome. I have no problems with bleed, blobs etc., and the Screen door effect is not visible until I'm literally hugging the set.

The only issue I've had is finding color settings that don't make yellow's 'punch' a bit too much. Other than that, everything about this set has exceeded my expectations.

Standard Def from DirecTV hd receiver via HDMI is excellent (far better than expected) and still more than acceptable via S-video from SD Tivo. HD is stunning. Everyone who has visited since the arrival has been blown away by this set, without even my mentioning that it's new they go on and on about it being the most attractive picture/set they've ever seen.

Granted there seems to be a large number of people who have recieved 'dud' units, but mine has been perfect (0 dead pixels, 0 bleed/blobs, clean pure picture).

I have no regrets and would recommend it to anyone looking for a 50" set (I think 60" is too large for LCD, because the SDE becomes evident more easily).

I'm not sure what's causing the behaviour you're seeing with your speaker placement but I'd find it hard to believe the LCD light engine would be susceptible to stray magnetic fields with respect to the green tint many people are seeing. Unshielded speakers really shouldn't be used in close proximity to a video display in any case.

I have a slight green tint issue with my 60VS810 but I'm learning to live with it. I just got through setting it up with the Digital Video Essentials DVD this afternoon and found out that there doesn't seem to be any definitive way to set the contrast and brightness when using the HDMI inputs with DVE.

One caveat that you may want to consider is that LCD projection sets don't do a great job at displaying proper black level so if this is important to you I would consider looking at a DLP or D-ILA set or even a CRT RPTV if you want the most bang for the buck. I'm not trying to downplay the 810 because I absolutely love mine but the shortcomings I had heard about LCDs are starting to become more apparent the more I watch it. It's really a decision you'll have to make for yourself since it's your money and you'll be the one watching it. You'll find a lot of good recommendations in these forums but you should realize that most owners of any given set will tend to think theirs is the best set available or they wouldn't have bought it. Your own eyes are the best tools for the final evaluation.

I've been reading all I can on the VS810 but have been hesitant to buy due to all the issues that have been surfaced on this thread and others. I fully realize that posts/threads/forums are skewed towards "issues" rather than "praise" but it's disturbing when different folks are bringing up the same issue.

Or is this video hypochondria??? As in, that guy just reported seeing SDE from six inches away; I must check my VS810 to see if I have the same issues. (Ten seconds later) O!M!G! I have it too. Must report to Owner thread!:D

Seriously, CNET.com just gave the VS810 a 7.9 rating which was actually lower than what they gave the 50V500. They say that the reflective screen and the fact that black levels have gotten better with DLPs make the VS810's performance suffer by comparison. So it's not that the VS810 is worse than the 50V500, it's that the competition has gotten better and the VS810 has not kept up.

Any reactions from y'all?

Here's a link to the CNET review:
http://reviews.cnet.com/Hitachi_50VS810/4505-6484_7-30994111.html

Originally posted by jemaerca
I've been reading all I can on the VS810 but have been hesitant to buy due to all the issues that have been surfaced on this thread and others. I fully realize that posts/threads/forums are skewed towards "issues" rather than "praise" but it's disturbing when different folks are bringing up the same issue.

Or is this video hypochondria??? As in, that guy just reported seeing SDE from six inches away; I must check my VS810 to see if I have the same issues. (Ten seconds later) O!M!G! I have it too. Must report to Owner thread!:D

Seriously, CNET.com just gave the VS810 a 7.9 rating which was actually lower than what they gave the 50V500. They say that the reflective screen and the fact that black levels have gotten better with DLPs make the VS810's performance suffer by comparison. So it's not that the VS810 is worse than the 50V500, it's that the competition has gotten better and the VS810 has not kept up.

Any reactions from y'all?

My reaction is that CNET sold this set way too short, and is casting a cloud over a set that should be given SERIOUS consideration by everyone shopping in this size/class/price.

I conducted an exhaustive search for my new HD set, which started with the Samsung DLP and ended with the Hitachi 50VS810. The best DLP I saw was the Mistubishi 725 series, but it like ALL DLP's exhibited some deal-breaker issues: 'crawl' during nearly every scene, rainbows, and headaches induced by 5 minute viewing sessions.

I considered the JVC LCOS/D-ILA box, but it has substantial issues with 'bleeding' highly contrasted colors (red on top of white tends to break up and not maintain a clean edge) and odd abhorations in RED sections of images. Red's tended to look blotchy, pixelated and unnatural on several sets I viewed.

Plasma sets are nice, but given the burn-in and life-cycle issues vs. price point, I wouldn't buy one unless I absolutely needed to hang my screen on the wall.

Direct-view LCD's are great, but they can be hard to look at for a long period of time due to the backlighting, and the expense is too high. Still, it's currently the most promising slim technology.

RP CRT's are outdated in my opinion. Large heavy cabinets, burn in concerns, viewing condition impact (ambient lighting, seating angles) and a tendency to exhibit 'flicker' take down an otherwise strong contender, especially given the VERY low costs.

RP LCD fit the bill for me. No burn in concern, bright detailed images from a mature technology in a large format, lightweight, and plasma-looking cabinet. Sure, black levels aren't as good as other technologies, but you'll never notice except during viewing with the lights out and very dark scenes. The Hitachi 50VS810 is the best of the current crop of LCD sets because of Picture quality, features, and design aesthetic.

Given the strengths and weaknesses of the various display types, this set provided the best performance for the dollar.

Originally posted by mobius
wupshaw,

What stretch mode are you using in this pic? That looks pretty impressive compared to my friend's 46F500's stretch modes. Do you know if Hitachi has improved their stretch modes with each successive generation?

Thanks.

I'm using 4:3 expanded mode in the SD shot.

Hey guys.... Close to purchasing from CC and would like to know the dimensions of the box for the TV... Was curious if it would fit in my SUV....
Thanks, and keep the forum alive.......

The dimensions for the set are listed on the Hitachi website. Add about 4 inches in each direction for the approximate box dimensions. You should have no problems getting the 50" set in the back of an SUV as long as the rear seats fold down. I have the 60" model and I believe it would fit in an SUV with the rear hatch open.

The dimensions for the TV are roughly 29" tall
55" wide
16" deep

So basically with the box I am looking at 33" tall
59" wide
20" deep ??????

Does that sound about right??? Also does the box have a ( THIS SIDE UP) label on it, or can I carefully flip it so that it would fit???

Anyway, do the more recent production runs have less problems than the early ones.... If so, what is the best way of knowing when the TV was manufactured??:confused:

It wouldn't fit in my Jeep Grand Cherokee. The box is about 35.5" tall and must be kept upright. Length: 64.5", width: 26".

Originally posted by Mheav
what is the best way of knowing when the TV was manufactured??:confused: The date is written right on the tag on the back of the set.

Hello;

Well I pulled the trigger and purchased the 60VS810 from CC. I have to say that the HD picture is very good. I have a relatively dark room but this display is not very bright. I think its just average and could be alittle brighter.

Anyway my problem is in the upper right quadrant about 2 o'clock there is a 2 inch in diameter round dark spot. It is only noticeable with a white or light background. I noticed it 2 minutes after the set was first powered.

Does anyone else have this problem? It looks like a dirty lens or maybe the screen itself.

Should I exchange it for another unit or move on to something else?

Thanks

Kevin

Thanks Phousley,

I have a Grand Cherokee also.... 2003 model and I am pretty sure that that won't fit.... I think I only have about 30 to 31 inches in height at the litfgate... I will probably just borrow my friends truck... I really appreciate the info.... Once I purchase later this week, I will update you guys on my experience.....:D

Originally posted by kmo98
Hello;

Well I pulled the trigger and purchased the 60VS810 from CC. I have to say that the HD picture is very good. I have a relatively dark room but this display is not very bright. I think its just average and could be alittle brighter.

Anyway my problem is in the upper right quadrant about 2 o'clock there is a 2 inch in diameter round dark spot. It is only noticeable with a white or light background. I noticed it 2 minutes after the set was first powered.

Does anyone else have this problem? It looks like a dirty lens or maybe the screen itself.

Should I exchange it for another unit or move on to something else?

Thanks

Kevin


I haven't pulled the trigger yet but I would try to exchange it for another one first... For the amount of money we spend on these TV's it is imperative that we are near 100% satisfied... Through reading this whole thread I have noticed that there are some bad apples out there. However, there are many that are just in awe of this series of TV's and couldn't be happier. Some of the owners have noticed a smear like blob behind the protective screen... I think there is a screen wipe function that allows your TV to display a all white screen so you can analyze just how bad the dark area is... Not sure if it could correct it though....

Originally posted by Mheav
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Does that sound about right??? Also does the box have a ( THIS SIDE UP) label on it, or can I carefully flip it so that it would fit???

Anyway, do the more recent production runs have less problems than the early ones.... If so, what is the best way of knowing when the TV was manufactured??:confused: [/B]

Hitachi spares no expense in ensuring that the TV is well insulated and supported in the box. I delivered my first one on its side with no problems in a pickup truck. The tv is supported by huge pieces of styrofoam to ensure no movement within the box, that said, it is large. I know my 60" would not fit in any SUV, ok, maybe a Hummer, perhaps the 50 might.
My tip of the day (learned the hard way), the box is actually the lid for the base and lifts right off . My first set I opened like a box for a childs toy, pulling massive staples, tape etc..lol...wadda mess...

glenn

I have pulled the trigger!!!! So far I am thrilled with everything... The out of the box settings are pretty darn good as well... I have no green bleed, no red push, no blobs, no pixel problems,....... nothing..... I used screen wipe to display the white picture and tried my best to find something wrong..... I haven't messed with the video settings too much yet.... I want to but I would like to know the best settings first.... All I have is basic Time Warner Cable with no Digital box and I am able to get all my local channels in HD... I bought an antenna and it worked well but I don't need it since I found CBS, NBC, FOX, ABC, PBS, UNC-TV, and others out of Charlotte in HD through just the coaxial cable. If I want Discovery HD or ESPN HD and others, I will need to call to get a Cable Card.... I will probably do that pretty soon... Reagular cable looks pretty darn good too...
I bought a Sauder stand which is about 3 inches taller than the Hitachi stand... I liked the Hitachi stand but I wanted the TV a little higher which helps alot with the viewing angle... The middle of the picture is exactly 39 inches high from the floor... This is the exact height that my eyes are sitting in my Lazy Boy, 7 feet away..... The manufacturing date is October 2004.... Do I need any software upgrades????????

Mheav - Congrats on your new purchase. I unfortunately will be returning mine back to CC. The black spot or smudge is quite annoying and the service people I spoke with said its not normal and to return the set. I also have noticed while watching any black & white material that the lower right quadrant is light brown. At first I thought is was the program material but not.

Thanks for the tip on the WIPE function. The smudge and brown area is very noticeable. Hope you have better luck. I am going to purchase a SONY XS.

Later

Hope you have better luck with the Sony... I am dissapointed that some have had problems with this set.... I really think that once you get a good one, this is the set to have... However, I have to admit I did give the Sony a really good look and I liked it very much..... (55xs955).. I will keep you guys posted on any problems that occur.... Currently (day 2) everything is perfect... I am surprised at just how bright my picture is....Right now I am watching Michigan and Texas in 720p..... The picture is unbelieveable... Can't wait to see the NFL on CBS tomorrow in 1080i....

Has anybody with the green bleed problem had their TV fixed and the problem go away? If so what exactly did the tech repair person replace or do to the TV. I am on number 5 for swap out and still the green bleed is on every set.

For those with green bleed problem...... Did you notice it right away, or did it occur over time? Just wondering if I may be out of the woods. I still cannot find anything wrong with my set. (Day 3)

For those calibration finatics..... Do you use the same settings for HD as you do with SD.... I still haven't played with the settings yet.....

I finally got around to using DVE to calibrate my 60VS810 over the holidays and I have some questions for anyone that has used this DVD to calibrate their VS810. I'm using the latest version that's supposed to cover HDTV sets as well as older SD sets. My DVD player is a Marantz DV-9500 with HDMI output.

First of all, I'm trying to determine the best way to adjust the settings using the HDMI inputs. The tutorial on the DVD shows how to look for blooming in the scan lines when using the component or other analog inputs during the contrast adjustment but this doesn't seem to occur when using the HDMI connection as there are no scan lines to speak of. In fact, the instructions seem geared more towards using the analog inputs on the set and doesn't seem to address either DVI or HDMI inputs at all.

I can get the color and tint to adjust to where the display looks correct through the blue and red filters but the green seems to be way off. I've used settings posted by other members in this thread but they don't seem to be correct for my display. The resulting picture is extremely dark and details are getting lost in the shadows. There is no supporting documentation on using the vast arsenal of display patterns available on the DVD and the DVE website doesn't appear to have any additional helpful info.

I'd appreciate any tips for proper use of the DVE disc so I can get this set properly adjusted. Right now I sem to be taking shots in the dark with it. I do have a slight green tint issue with this set but it is very subdued and restricted to the lower left quadrant of the screen when displaying a full white background. Flesh tones tend to have a green tint in the shadowy areas of characters' faces but I think that's more due to the green imbalance than any green tint problem like so many others have described on their 810s. Perhaps the two issues are related.

Originally posted by captain_video
I finally got around to using DVE to calibrate my 60VS810 over the holidays and I have some questions for anyone that has used this DVD to calibrate their VS810. I'm using the latest version that's supposed to cover HDTV sets as well as older SD sets. My DVD player is a Marantz DV-9500 with HDMI output.

First of all, I'm trying to determine the best way to adjust the settings using the HDMI inputs. The tutorial on the DVD shows how to look for blooming in the scan lines when using the component or other analog inputs during the contrast adjustment but this doesn't seem to occur when using the HDMI connection as there are no scan lines to speak of. In fact, the instructions seem geared more towards using the analog inputs on the set and doesn't seem to address either DVI or HDMI inputs at all.

I can get the color and tint to adjust to where the display looks correct through the blue and red filters but the green seems to be way off. I've used settings posted by other members in this thread but they don't seem to be correct for my display. The resulting picture is extremely dark and details are getting lost in the shadows. There is no supporting documentation on using the vast arsenal of display patterns available on the DVD and the DVE website doesn't appear to have any additional helpful info.


I think blooming is really only a CRT issue. I think, but it has been awhile, that AVIA says with LCDs, you won't really see blooming. You should adjust the level so that the 5 bars have the most amount of contrast with each other and the black background.

It may be helpful if you post your settings here so we can compare. I posted my settings (as per AVIA) way way back on this thread and many have PM'd me that they were within a few % of mine when they calibrated, so you might want to do a search. I've since tweaked mine a bit as well to get more black detail. Off the top of my head, I think my nightime settings are as follows: contrast 51%; brightness 54%; color 25%; color temp high (although I think medium is closer to 6500k, high looked better to me); black enhance is at medium; sharpness is at 10%; tint no change; I think I dropped the green decoder about 10%.

I too recently purchased a vs810 and was trying to calibrate it using Avia and the HDMI inputs from my DVD player outputting 720P. My problem has been setting the contrast level. Avia eplains that LCD's do not have power supply or blooming problems, but they can "Crush" whites.

The brief instructions tell you to set contrast so that the vertical lines, which move left and right in the upper black part of the pattern and the lower white part, are still visible and the vertical steps are equal brightness. However, using the HDMI output, there is never a point where I can see the vertical lines in the lower white area. Am I missing something?

Originally posted by Marzo
I too recently purchased a vs810 and was trying to calibrate it using Avia and the HDMI inputs from my DVD player outputting 720P. My problem has been setting the contrast level. Avia eplains that LCD's do not have power supply or blooming problems, but they can "Crush" whites.

The brief instructions tell you to set contrast so that the vertical lines, which move left and right in the upper black part of the pattern and the lower white part, are still visible and the vertical steps are equal brightness. However, using the HDMI output, there is never a point where I can see the vertical lines in the lower white area. Am I missing something?

I AVIA tells you to set brightness very low or off first, although I could be confusing AVIA and DVE. Try lowering your brightness setting to see the white bars, then calibrate brightness after Contrast.

It may be helpful if you post your settings here so we can compare. I posted my settings (as per AVIA) way way back on this thread and many have PM'd me that they were within a few % of mine when they calibrated, so you might want to do a search. I've since tweaked mine a bit as well to get more black detail. Off the top of my head, I think my nightime settings are as follows: contrast 51%; brightness 54%; color 25%; color temp high (although I think medium is closer to 6500k, high looked better to me); black enhance is at medium; sharpness is at 10%; tint no change; I think I dropped the green decoder about 10%.
My settings are pretty close to what you have except that I believe I have black enhance set to Off. How did you make changes to the green decoder without changing the tint settings? Did you do it via the service menu?

Originally posted by captain_video
My settings are pretty close to what you have except that I believe I have black enhance set to Off. How did you make changes to the green decoder without changing the tint settings? Did you do it via the service menu?

No need to touch the service menu. If you go to the video settings (where you adjust contrast, etc.) scroll down to the second menu page. There is a color decoder menu, where you can adjust Red Green and/or Blue levels. I adjusted the settings using the AVIA color decoder test. When I initially calibrated, I used the MEDIUM color temperature setting and I think there was a 5-10% red push that I had to correct. Using the HIGH color setting, I think the red was ok but there was a 5-10% green push, which can be corrected in the decoder menu.

There's a separate menu where you can adjust 6 colors (cyan, magenta, etc.) but I haven't had enough time to start playing with that yet.

I have a Yellow issue in my attempts to calibrate the set. Yellows tend to 'scream' a bit and are maybe a bit red.

Someone please repost the best settings currently found and your opinion as to whether it calms the yellows. Thanks!

Hey guys, this might be a dumb question but are you using the settings you are talking about on all inputs? I mean, do you use the same settings for HDTV viewing that you use for watching DVDs?

Each input on the 810 needs to be calibrated individually for the type of connection you plan on using. In other words, if you decide to use the HDMI connection on input 1, the component connection on input 2, the S-video connection on 3 and the composite input on 4 then you'd have to calibrate each input through the connection type you assign to it. Even if you decide to use the same connection type for each input you'd still have to calibrate each input individually. Once you've done the setup on one connection the rest are easy since by then you'll know what to look for.

No need to touch the service menu. If you go to the video settings (where you adjust contrast, etc.) scroll down to the second menu page. There is a color decoder menu, where you can adjust Red Green and/or Blue levels.
Thanks. I had completely forgotten that there was another part to the Video menu. I'll give that a shot to see if I can cure the green push I'm seeing.

Originally posted by captain_video
"There is a color decoder menu, where you can adjust Red Green and/or Blue levels."

Thanks. I had completely forgotten that there was another part to the Video menu. I'll give that a shot to see if I can cure the green push I'm seeing.
Based on my extensive auditioning of the vs810 and the vx915, the Color Decoder menu is specific to the color temperature setting (High, Medium, Standard, Black/White). So, if you use High for two separate inputs, any changes to the decoder settings for High will impact both inputs.

Also, the Color Management settings (Magenta, Yellow, Cyan, Red, Green, Blue) are global for all inputs.

Michael

It is pretty hard to take good photos of the picture on the my tv but here is a commercial on Discovery HD....

here are others....

Football game.... Pics aren't great, but trust me, the real picture is crystal clear..... I used my digital camcorder to take photo stills.... I don't have a real good camera yet..... The pics are 640x480 max resolution...

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Three more and I am done.... Camera just sucks...

8 year old DVD player-- not progressive scan.....

Last one....

Last one...

Sorry about the duplicate..... Still very happy with my purchase... I learned alot from this forum and I thank you all... I can see where sunlight affects daytime viewing somwhat... Sun was extremely bright today and I had to close blinds on one of my windows... Other than that I have been lucky.... so far....

Based on my extensive auditioning of the vs810 and the vx915, the Color Decoder menu is specific to the color temperature setting (High, Medium, Standard, Black/White). So, if you use High for two separate inputs, any changes to the decoder settings for High will impact both inputs.

Also, the Color Management settings (Magenta, Yellow, Cyan, Red, Green, Blue) are global for all inputs.

I adjusted the green decoder setting to about 35% and it seems to have taken care of the green push probem to a vast degree, at least to the point where it is almost no longer noticeable. I watched The Last Samurai on my HDTivo that I had recorded from HBO HD and it was like watching a projected film image in a theater. I couldn't imagine the picture looking any better than it does right now. I have to admit that I was somewhat concerned about the green push and started wondering if the problem many others had reported could not have been cured by this one simple adjustment. The setting does indeed change for both of the HDMI inputs with the high temp setting. I'm a little hesitant about messing with the color management settings but for now I don't feel the need anyway.

Can anyone here comment on overscan percentage when plugging a PC into the HDMI and/or Component inputs?

Originally posted by youngm
Can anyone here comment on overscan percentage when plugging a PC into the HDMI and/or Component inputs?

I've got a Mac (Powerbook) with a Mac Mini on the way. Anyone know what/how to use ResolutionX to overcome overscan?

I'm rather disappointed in the quality of D* SD channels on the 50VS810. They look worse than my old Sony Wega CRT. Yes, I KNOW that D* compresses the heck out of the SD signals.

Given above, what Aspect ratio (4:3 Expanded or 16:9) do you find gives the best image quality on D* SD channels? Side bars is not an option unless I want the wrath of my wife.

My experience is 720p on the HD-TIVO with 16:9 aspect ratio on 50VS810 gives the best SD picture --- plus the advantage of not having to toggle the resolution and aspect ratio. I tried 480i with 4:3 Expanded but it looks awful too.

FWIW, I'm running Component connections.


Thanks.

I use a standard def DTivo to record all of my SD programming from DTV. You should also be using the HDMI output from your HDTivo instead of the component outputs. You should have gotten HDMI cables with the HDTivo so I'm surprised you're not using them. It should give you a much better picture on the VS810 than the component inputs.

There isn't a whole lot you can do as far as the aspect ratio for watching SD broadcasts. Most of the network stations broadcast in letterbox so watching in 4:3 expanded mode will fill up the screen properly. If the station is broadcast in 4:3 then you're stuck with the sidebars unless you want to expand the image and cut off the top and bottom of the broadcast image. You could also go with the stretch mode but it makes everyone look funny and distorted.

I've tried recording and watching SD programs on my HDTivo via the HDMI output and the picture just looks strange to me. Upon closer examination it is actually a better picture than I get from my SD DTivo but it accentuates the shortcomings of SD broadcasts and is therefore more annoying to watch, IMO. You might want to use the S-Video output when watching SD programs as it seems to work better with SD images (i.e., less irritating).

Is this what some of you are seeing? The blotches/ smudges.. I know this is a Sammy link but I have seen this to a lesser extent on my Hitachi....

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?s=&postid=4748216&fullpage=1

What have you guys done about the blotches / smudges problem.. They seem to be temperature sensitive... Has any Hitachi techs said anything recently about them? Do we really know what causes these things to appear? I have heard that it is a result of screens touching or condensation between screens... How many screens do we have on this tv other than the anti glare screen? It is really only apparent when I first turn on my set and when I go to screen wipe within 30 minutes of turning on.... Other than this, I love this set......

I'm trying to use my new Mac Mini with the 50VS810, and it works via DVI-to-HDMI but the overscan crops the computer's interface a bit too much (menu bar is gone, dock is sliced in half).

Anyone know how to adjust the sets overscan? OR can I use DisplayConfigX or ResolutionX to adjust the Mac's output to compensate. Any assistance is appreciated.

HI can any one Please tell me the differance between the black levels on 50v500a vs 50vs810 as I have 30 days to try the 500a out, plus the fact that I paid $1959 for the 500a.Is the 810 worth twice the money for better blacks.How much diff. can their be? Thanks in advance ,Chuck

I recently upgraded my Home Theatre, and got a receiver with a Pre-Out Center. I decided to use the 50-VS810 as the center channel, utilizing the "TV as Center" functionality. So, I connected the Pre-Out Center from the receiver to the correct input on the TV. I was surprised and disappointed with the result...the volume on the TV (now center channel) is not synchronized/controlled by the receiver. So, my surround volume is controlled by the receiver, but I have to manually adjust the volume on the TV to match the center channel output.

Is this correct? Or am I doing something wrong here? You would think that the volume of the TV would be in synch with the receiver (just like a powered sub woofer).

The receiver is a Pioneer VSX-D914.

PLEASE HELP!!!

The first 50vs810 that I bought from CC in Houston had a huge green push covering the entire screen. When watching T2, all the robots were green instead of silver. It was pretty nasty. Unfortunately, I didn't take any photos. I tried to fix the problem with the Avia disc and also tried adjusting the gain of each color, but whatever I tried seemed to have zero effect. It was genuinely bunked up. Since it was within the 30 days, I took it back to CC. Had the worst experience ever at CC while I was there, mainly because of this manager with a 2-letter name (I forget which, KT or ZX or something). He insulted my dad by saying that it wasn't the TV, but our lack of understanding of the TV. I actually thought that maybe he could help setup the TV, but he didn't have any more know-how than my sister's pet turtle. In the end, after making him look stupid in front of his employees, we walked out with a new TV and it was perfect. No green push or tint or smudges. With the Avia, I didn't have to adjust it much... may 5% in each direction at most. Thanks to everybody in this post and on this board. I could not have done it without y'all.

has anyone tried using hdmi in from a source to the tv and then run the incoming digital audio out from the tv to a reciever via the optical out. does this work? can you change the signal from hdmi to optical?

Originally posted by clambone
has anyone tried using hdmi in from a source to the tv and then run the incoming digital audio out from the tv to a reciever via the optical out. does this work? can you change the signal from hdmi to optical?


Hey clambone,

I have my DVD player hooked up hdmi out to the TV's hdmi in,with my optical out of the TV to my receiver optical in and I get no sound with the DVD player thew the receiver only the TV.So I just used the coaxial out of the DVD to the coaxial in of my receiver and it seems to work fine.
It seems the optical out for the TV is just for the tuner,because it works fine when watching TV.
See Ya,Hoss

(Is this what some of you are seeing? The blotches/ smudges.. I know this is a Sammy link but I have seen this to a lesser extent on my Hitachi....)
just to let everyone know I am returning my 50 because of such marks I had my screen replaced and same problem the tech told me he talked to hitachi and this is" a know problem that they do not have a fix for." it is caused in the manufacture process and they all have it. this was his 5th screen replacement and none of them went away. we looked at the new and the old screens out of the unit and you can see it then too. Good luck I'm out of the hitachi experience.

I too have the blobs but like others, it seems temperature related as it goes away after 30 minutes of being on. and as for my green bleed problem, the latest explanation is the positioning of the lens' in the relation to the screen. the 50v500 does not have this problem because there is more room at the bottom of that set for components while the vs810 is flush with the screen at the bottom. I have yet to see a vs810 that does not have a green push in any size, and was told basically to live with it.

Hi,

Came out of lurking now that I have my new Hitachi 60vs810. So far very happy with it - don't seem to have any scratches or blobs or even green push that I can tell. Have not calibrated with Avia yet but using eralier posted settings by members then adjusted a bit by eye. Only really question/complaint is that I have some purple in black scenes like LOR. Seems in the very dark scenes the darkest shadows are going dark purple.
Anybody have any ideas or cures to try or is this just a short fall of LCD TV"s.

well came close to buying 60vs810. Best pq of all lcdrp i think but the inherent quality issuses experenced by members of this forums scared me. i will purchase in the next few days i think a sony lcd rp unless someone tells me i am overstating the issuses with this set

Reading through most of this (after printing all of it out) I find it interesting that one the issues JVC has and one that Samsung has, this set shares.

Defects in the screen and QC with the lens assembly (which no one has pointed out yet).
These 'smudges' are clearly the separation between the two inner screens, the same issue Samsung has:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=476437

The 'green tint' is very similar to what JVC has a problem with, though it is more a magenta/green issue with the lens. Both are 'thermal' and QC issues. The screen is fixable, the 'tint' isn't as of yet, or at least I haven't read anything on it so far.

It's too bad either exists and also very bad Hitachi is reluctant to admit there is a problem except for late.

This set is obvious competing against the 'Kirk' with the gloss black front and the Mits with the glare screen and it's step up model with the 'better'(?) screen.

phussary; that zip file you provided, the first image looks as it was a screen shot of the JVC D-ILA! Same problem, same reason; bad/poor optics and/or alignment! the latest explanation is the positioning of the lens' in the relation to the screen. the 50v500 does not have this problem because there is more room at the bottom of that set for components while the vs810 is flush with the screen at the bottom. Yep, no free lunch. Should of stayed with the old design.. Shortening the light path introduced newer problems!

No matter what one looks at there are enough problems to steer you away.............:confused:

I've had a couple of the problems that others have complained about (obvious green tint in some spots, as well as "smudges" on the screen). I finally got CC to admit these were a problem, and to order a light engine and new screen to fix these respective problems.

Well, it took the service guy about two hours just to replace the light engine, and lo and behold it also appeared to fix not only the green tint in the LLH corner, but the smudges as well! The service rep said that it appeared to him that someone doing the original assembly had adjusted the light engine lens assembly with their hands, which caused misalignment for the green tint, and the smudges were the result of the person's fingerprints (?) on the lens.

bottom line: picture quality is very good now (though I can detect some slight variation in the four corners using the "wipe" function), and all smudges are gone without having to replace the screen.

In other words, am now a happy camper enjoying a great picture on the set!

Enjoy!

There are two issues that haven't come up in theis long thread; fan noise and SD picture quality (or lack of). No one complained about fan noise! Out of all the major threads I have read through, thius is one of the first that fan noise isn't a issue!
Also, SD picture quality doesn't seem to be a issue which surprises me since CR rated it less than ideal.

To those that do watch SD material, how is this compared to other sets you viewed before you got this one?

Bruce, Fan noise isn't an issue at all... The only time I had heard it is about 4:00 am in the morning, muted the TV and nothing was on in my apartment... Fridge was not running, AC was not on, ... nothing... Even then I had to go position myself about 2 feet from where the fan is located... This unit is quiet..... MY SD quality is pretty good... The cable guy told me that I have an excellent signal coming in... I believe it because my Road Runner is blazing fast.... I also have the Scientific Atlanta 8300HD (High Definition DVR)... It allows you to upconvert the output formats... I cut off 480i and allowed 480P, 720P, and 1080i... So now all my standard cable is output at 480P.... It made a big difference.... Just like with all cable companies that I have delt with, some channels are better than others... I am currently using Component Cables but will upgrade to HDMI soon... The HD DVR cable box has and HDMI output... I love this TV... The only problem I have is sudges like the link I posted eariler.... The do go away after 30 minutes or so.... I will probably have someone to check on it in a month or so..... I am cautious because everything else is so great..... I have heard that it is fingerprints or screens touching.... My opinion is that if they were fingerprints, why would they go away after warmup????? By the way, the Superbowl was incredible!!!!!!!!!!!!

The cable guy told me that I have an excellent signal coming in... I believe it because my Road Runner is blazing fast.... I also have the Scientific Atlanta 8300HD (High Definition DVR)... It allows you to upconvert the output formats... I cut off 480i and allowed 480P, 720P, and 1080i... So now all my standard cable is output at 480P.... It made a big difference....
Hey guy. I have the same box. How did you cut off 480i? I have the 8300 set at Pass Thru. Thanks.

As for the fan, no probem. If the house is quiet, I still have to put my ear next to the case to hear the fan and even then the sound is faint.

Yeah, I agree. The SuperBowl was a trip. One guy even said, "That's unbelievable. I can see the blades of grass." LOL

I too would like to hear more about SD quality on the 810. I'd decided against the DLP because of all the SD complaints and here CR says the Sammy is better than the 810 and the Sony. How does DirecTV look on this TV, from s-video or HDMI? How does the 810 compare with the Sony 50" on SD material?

I have DISH (S-Video) and SD looks fine most of the time on the 810.

Dsierra,

If you have the same Time Warner remote as mine, this is what you do.....

1. Press the settings button on your remote... It shoud display quick settings... It says highlight a setting and change its status.... The output format is not on the quick settings page.... You have to.................

2.Hit The Yellow triangle button A to display More Settings. Now you are on the general settings page.....Scroll down to output formats and hit the right arrow key.... Then scroll up or down to find the 480i. Hit select to cut it off (takes away the dot beside it)... then press accept (Triangle A) again.....


With 480i cut off, all standard with convert to 480P... Your cable box display will show you what it is currently outputting....

This is for the Scientific Atlanta Explorer 8300HD.....

Originally posted by Mheav
Dsierra,

If you have the same Time Warner remote as mine, this is what you do.....

1. Press the settings button on your remote... It shoud display quick settings... It says highlight a setting and change its status.... The output format is not on the quick settings page.... You have to.................

2.Hit The Yellow triangle button A to display More Settings. Now you are on the general settings page.....Scroll down to output formats and hit the right arrow key.... Then scroll up or down to find the 480i. Hit select to cut it off (takes away the dot beside it)... then press accept (Triangle A) again.....


With 480i cut off, all standard with convert to 480P... Your cable box display will show you what it is currently outputting....

This is for the Scientific Atlanta Explorer 8300HD.....
Thanks Mheav. I have the same box as you but must have a different remote. The yellow triangle thing doesn't work the same way. I have to hit settings twice to get to the general settings page. On that page, the only picture options I get are TV BORDERS and PICTURE FORMAT. Under FORMAT, I only get 4 options: FIXED, PASS-THRU, UPCONVERT 1 AND UPCONVERT 2. I have changed those but the box still displays 1080i on the front.

OK Mheav. I got it now. Went to SA webpage and performed set-up. Didn't get a user's guide so this was not done before. I appreciate the info.

If your box is displaying 1080i on the front no matter what you are watching, you are killing your SD channels...... The out of the box settings were that only the 1080i was checked off on the menu.... At the time I was really ticked with my SD.... I found the output formats screen and checked off every output.... (480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i) and was thrilled... When I watched ESPN-HD the Cable box dislayed 720p (whish is correct).....
When I watched Discovery-HD it diplayed 1080i (which is correct for that channel)..... When I watch SD it displayed 480i.... I was happy.... Then I decided to take away the 480i and see what happens... Then all the SD was displayed in 480p and looked better.... I got happier.... Then I decided to take away the 480p... (got greedy)... The SD was displayed in 720p and looked to digitized... (looked like watching a poor quality porno clip in avi format on my PC) So I cut 480p back on....

DSierra, Does you picture look really digitized? If you have the 8300HD-DVR cable box then you can change the output format.... When you push settings button one time what do you get?????? Do you even get the quick setting menu???? Post again and we will work this out......

DSierra, Does you picture look really digitized? If you have the 8300HD-DVR cable box then you can change the output format.... When you push settings button one time what do you get?????? Do you even get the quick setting menu???? Post again and we will work this out......
OK. I think I am in business. The box was set to pass-thru so I did not have the output option on Quick Settings. After going to the SA webpage, I did the Set-up Wizard and selected all the output formats except 480i normal and 480i wide-screen. I then went to General Settings and chose FIXED for PICTURE FORMAT. The ouput is now displayed at 720p which is what I chose in Quick Settings. Is this the way you have your box set? Thanks again.

For all you v500 or vs810 owners that want to know more about your set;

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=506967

OK Dsierra.... I went to the SA website also... I registered and looked at the user quide for the 8300HD... They have the same guide for different cable boxes.... I now see where you do the set up thing.... I cannot do that.... I am able to do everything in the general settings menu...... It is wierd.... The user guide shown on the website doesn't apply to my 8300HD..... I see where you had to hit the settings button twice... I don't have to do that.... I hit the settings button and the screen tells me to hit the triangle to recieve more settings..... I have had this box since Jan 10th and didn't come with a guide although it was brand new in sealed box..... Anyway, there is a difference in how our boxes are set even though we have the same box...... Are you sure you dont have the 8000HD?? What worked best for me was to get all SD in 480P, HDTV in 720p and 1080i depending on what channel you are watching..... BTW- I only have an HDMI output on the back of my cable box.... I don't have a DVI..... What does yours have??? I hope you get there... Let me know if your SD gets better????

DSierra, I hit settings and get this......

Then I hit triangle and get this........

Then I select output formats and get this..........

I screwed up but you get the idea......

From there I was able to select which formats I wanted output...... As you can see I have selected 480p, 720p, and 1080i.... I am rewatching the superbowl and Fox displays NFL in 720p.......

Best Cable Box in the World!!!!

Originally posted by Mheav
OK Dsierra.... I went to the SA website also... I registered and looked at the user quide for the 8300HD... They have the same guide for different cable boxes.... I now see where you do the set up thing.... I cannot do that.... I am able to do everything in the general settings menu...... It is wierd.... The user guide shown on the website doesn't apply to my 8300HD..... I see where you had to hit the settings button twice... I don't have to do that.... I hit the settings button and the screen tells me to hit the triangle to recieve more settings..... I have had this box since Jan 10th and didn't come with a guide although it was brand new in sealed box..... Anyway, there is a difference in how our boxes are set even though we have the same box...... Are you sure you dont have the 8000HD?? What worked best for me was to get all SD in 480P, HDTV in 720p and 1080i depending on what channel you are watching..... BTW- I only have an HDMI output on the back of my cable box.... I don't have a DVI..... What does yours have??? I hope you get there... Let me know if your SD gets better????
I have the 8300HD. Says so on the front. LOL. I got my box in Dec '04 in a sealed box with no user manual. As for the online user manual go to the SA webpage again and register with the Explorer Club. That is where you will find the manual for the 8300HD DVR. http://www.scientificatlanta.com/ExplorerClubGuides/getting_started/4003870.pdf
I chose UPConvert 1 in General Settings which outputs 720p when receiving a 720p or 1080i and 480p when receiving a 480i or 480p signal. If I choose Upconvert 2 then 720p and 1080i will both be output at 1080i while 480i/480p will be output at 480p. Using Fixed or Pass-thru will only output what ever I choose in Quick Settings and is constant on all channels.
I have a HDMI output but am using component connections for now. No DVI. I think that you have a different remote than I do which would explain some of the differences. By the way, check this out, turn on your tv and turn off the cable box. Then push Guide & Info on the box at the same time. This will launch a Set-Up Wizard. Kinda cool. But, check out the website link for more info. Good Luck and many thanks. Oh yeah, If you get the chance how about posting some of your settings for TV watching. I have a hard time straying from the factory settings for very long.

From what I have read about how your setup works, I would reccomend you using upconvert 1 or upconvert 2.... I don't know why our boxes are so different.... I just choose which formats i want... Since I took away 480i, my signal is automatically upconverted to 480p...

That was the manual I was looking at..... Did you see the pics???? They must have made some software changes to the 8300HD

Since I took away 480i, my signal is automatically upconverted to 480p...
So, do you have the option in General Settings to choose Format? Plus, I was wrong about something. Choosing Pass Thru will supposedly output whatever signal is received. I will try that again.

The guide and info doesn't work with mine.... I make all of my changes on the screens I showed in the pics......... Can you see them or did I screw up????

Yes, I can choose formats on the general settings menu..... All that stuff that you are able to do under the setup wizard I am able to do under general settings....WTF!!!!

I guess I missed when this become a Scientific Atlanta 8300HD thread.

Originally posted by videobruce
I guess I missed when this become a Scientific Atlanta 8300HD thread.
Sorry to annoy you. However, since this thread is titled Hitachi VS810 Owner's Thread, I thought that I might qualify to discuss, and receive information on, how to improve the performance of my 50VX915.

p.s. Thanks again, Mheav. FYI, your menus in the pics differ from those on my box.

videobruce...

Any idea how to eliminate overscan on the HDMI ports? I've got a computer connected via DVI-to-HDMI and I'd prefer to eliminate the overscan while maintaining resolution (vs. using software to compensate with a decreased resolution etc.)

THANKS!

PS. 50VS810

Has to be done through Display Properties. What video card do you have? PowerStrip usually does it, but the newer drivers for both ATI and nVidia should/might be all you need.
Image size is fixed on the set.

I'm using a Mac (Man Mini to be precise) and DisplayConfigX. I've posted my best settings (which work fine) in the HTPC/Mac forum, but I was wondering if there was a way to get true 720 pixel diaplay ability.

Thanks.

despite my reservations concerning quality on this set i bought it anyway. couldn't help it the picture was stunning. hope i get a good set. paid $3317 for it at american due for delivery thru. wish me luck

I have looked at this set 4 times (not all the same set) and the 'green tint' IS an issue as is the SDE/SSE along with the sort of 'glare' screen.

i spoke to the salesman concerning this issue and confirmed that some of the sets have a green tint issue. he told me if i got one just return it and get another. that price was for the 60vs810

I finally got my 50VS810. Thanks for all the folks who posted very useful information on this set. The set looks great on or off. I have it sitting on a Maxim Z-line stand and the combination works very well. No issues with blotches or hair/filament. Glare is about the same as my Sony 36XBR meaning some ambient light control goes a very long way. I do notice a bit of green tint on the lower left and lower right when I have the wipe screen on. I will try to tweak this away but it's nothing major. Again, thanks for all the great info on this thread!

okay it came beautiful tv on and off. paired it with yamaha rxv 2500 rcver denon 1910 dvd player and streem ht 33 speakers with the the thought of buying better speakers later. my review is sds or sde is not bad unless your to close anyway. green push is evident but can be adjusted for to smoe degree. the rcver is excellent great features and great sound. ran over budget imposed by wife so bought cheap speakers. guess what there very good on highs and mids just need a sub.will be keeping them.havent made up my mind whether to return for green push or not are there any sets that do not have it.

one last thought glare was terrible but managable through ambient measures. blinds drapes and such.

hey steel,
I have yet to see a set that does not have the green push and I have looked. by the way when was your set manufactured? thanks

september 04 i probably will send it back and try again just on gp but i like the set

Originally posted by steelhrd
i spoke to the salesman concerning this issue and confirmed that some of the sets have a green tint issue. he told me if i got one just return it and get another. that price was for the 60vs810

So the green tint is an issue of...either you have it or you don't? In other words, the set is either cursed with green tint or completely absent?

Amazing. I'm gearing up for a purchase, deciding between VS810, VX915, Sony XS955, Sony XBR950 (LCD RP).

my green tint is noticable in darkly lit scenes. had friends over for slam dunk contest in hd and they were wowed.

I've had the 50VS810 since December with NO green tint anywhere. Just wanted to post that not ALL of them exhibit this problem.

Ditto. I have had mine since November...no green tint.

I'm looking for any and all pictures of a 60VS810 or a 60VX915 sitting on a stand / table that is narrower than the set. Can anyone post a picture or a link?

I've got a separate post where I asked for stand input, but what I also need is to see what this set looks like if it hangs over the side of the stand. I worry that it will look less than perfect.

I've seen other types of sets that have a slight pedestal bottom (i.e. for example a Sony 60XS955) hanging over and they will look ok mainly because the entire bottom of the set that touches the stand is actually on the stand.

Thanks.

Charlie

anybody else paired this set and dvd player as the green push is now only evident here.

i'm sorry the dvd player is denon 1910. just got my ota tuned in for most of my locals. All i can say is d**n this looks great. used tuner on tv did a much better job than dish hd reciever

I've owned my set since labor day weekend september 2004, and no green tint or other issues.

found reason for my green tint. i was using philphs gold component cables . switch to a different brand and voila much improved pq. waiting on my dvi to hdmi cables in the mail.

I've using 2 HDMI Monster 400 Cable for DVD and Cable box, green tint is viewable with both. It's actually gotten worse over the last 2 months.
Now I see, approx 17.5" white circle in the middle of screen, green tinge/bleed all around that, funny watching The day after tomorrow, never knew snow was green, at least it isn't yellow :p
Set is on it's way to being returned for full refund including stand.

Hey,

Are there any 810 owners out there that have any information on the upgrade? I was scrolling around and noticed and upgrade menu. It said something like 'upgrade available for main: v0132.0000 Insert MMC card to upgrade.

Yaz

I would like to know when your set was manufactured? I got my 60vs810 beg of FEB WITH '
A MANUFATURE DATE OF SEP 2004....

ANYONE HAVE A LATER MANUFACTURE DATE THAN SEP 04???

wondering if the green tint issue effects all sets with "certain' manufacture dates...

thanks, technoreid

Are there any 810 owners out there that have any information on the upgrade?
There are several posts earlier in the thread that talk about upgrading to a newer firmware version. Hitachi will send you the firmware on a memory card that fits into a slot on the back of the TV set. You install it from the menu that you referenced. I forget what the current version is so you'll have to read through the thread to find out what it is. Some found that upgrading the firmware helped with a particular problem they encountered.

Originally posted by YAZ
Hey,

Are there any 810 owners out there that have any information on the upgrade? I was scrolling around and noticed and upgrade menu. It said something like 'upgrade available for main: v0132.0000 Insert MMC card to upgrade.

Yaz

I ordered the upgrade Monday afternoon (02-21-05), it was mailed on Tuesday and received (UPS Ground) on Thursday. (You will need to call Hitachi (800-654-7013) for the upgrade.)

The upgrade that was sent is labeled Version 01.36 (on the chip itself it is labeled UD: 136000). The software upgrade is for PTV & LCD models F710, V710, S715, V715, VS810 and VX910. Installation instruction were very complete yet there was a discrepancy between the instructions provided in the "cover letter" and the instruction sheet itself. I had to call Hitachi for a clarification. The representative told me to "disregard" the cover letter instructions and use the instruction sheet itself.

Please get back to me (robert.kramer@cfu.net) if you have any questions.

Robert Kramer

After 5 TV swap outs on the 810 and a new light engine on the last TV, the green bleed still remains. The lastest from hitachi is that the green problem is from the screen. A new screen should be installed around the first week of March. I will be sure to post if that fixes the problem. Hitachi said they were convienced this would resolve my problem. Perhaps soon I can watch a snow or clouds scene in their natural color instead of green!

Can you tell us what the timeline of your situation and what were the circumstances that allowed you to get a new screen? I'm curious to know if the screen is covered under the warranty or if you were just persistent with getting Hitachi to replace it for you. I am assuming you are getting it replaced at no cost to you so please correct me if my assumption is wrong. Do you know if they are they replacing it with a newly redesigned screen or just a new one of the same design?

Well, I finally jumped off the fence and have ordered the 60VS810 from CC. Their current sale was too good to keep waiting. You will have to go to CC and put the item in your cart to see the price (since we are not supposed to post prices here), but then on top of this sale price I get a 10% gift card back for purchase with a Visa card plus I get Circuit City Reward Points worth yet another 5% of the purchase. So, provided I find something worth purchasing at CC it's like getting 15% off the sale price (though I'd rather not be needing to get anything else from CC and just get the 15% off the sale price).

Now, if only I can get what I'm doing for a stand figured out I'll be all set...

Charlie

I called the canadian' eh support line in montreal regarding this apparent software upgrade. There response was that it is not required unless I was using the cable card. He went to say that there is no firmware & or upgrade for the hitachi 810 available and the 810 is a " state of the art tv". Nice... lol.

Can anyone confirm if any of this info from this ya-hoo is correct? I really got the impression this guy didn't know his a--!! from a hole in the ground.


Yaz

Originally posted by aafflyer
Now, if only I can get what I'm doing for a stand figured out I'll be all set...

This stand might work for you. Its made by Bush and is fairly inexpensive. I was looking at the Salamander stuff, but it was just too expensive. Here is a link to it on Racks & Stands:

http://www.racksandstands.com/prods/Bush-Furniture/VS31543-Cognac-Maple-Finish/Bush/0C1195/0PBU1014.htm

http://forum.**********/photopost/data/500/1245current_setup-med.jpg

Lucky there isn't a 'reflection' problem. Who is sitting next to you on the couch?:D
Of course you could build your own for well under $200 (without the doors and drawers............ The lastest from hitachi is that the green problem is from the screen.Man, what's the screen have to do with a tint issue?

Yeah, that flash really shows that off doesn't it? I don't recommend a strobe flashing while watching this TV. The ambiant light is pretty low in the room so the reflection problem doesn't bother me.

Thats my son, BTW, helping his Dad as usual.

I know they (Hitachi) wanted to have it look as a Plasma, but it looks 'funny' sitting flat on the stand. I feel it would look better on a raised base made of wood painted black that would be smaller than the outside of the unit itself as in a pedestal look.

I like it because I can store all of my A/V gear below it...I would have had to get a rack otherwise.

Originally posted by mwgordon
This stand might work for you. Its made by Bush and is fairly inexpensive.
Thanks for the suggestion. I've seen that stand before, and the wife likes it BUT I'm getting the 60VS810 which means the TV would be sticking over the side as this would be a 64" TV on a 60" stand.

Charlie

Originally posted by videobruce
Lucky there isn't a 'reflection' problem.
Speaking of a reflection, this is the room my new 60VS810 will be going into as a replacement for the Pioneer Elite you can see part of on the left hand side of the picture.

http://gallery.avsforum.com/data/503/50170DSC_1916.JPG

I'm anxious to see how bad the reflection will be...

And this a picture of whats being replaced / upgraded:

http://gallery.avsforum.com/data/503/50170DSC_1912.JPG

The TV goes, the audio component stand goes, the speakers eventually get smaller or go into the wall (what my wife wants). And the grooming table -- my wife is upset I took the picture with it in the frame ;)

Charlie

Originally posted by aafflyer
Thanks for the suggestion. I've seen that stand before, and the wife likes it BUT I'm getting the 60VS810 which means the TV would be sticking over the side as this would be a 64" TV on a 60" stand.
Charlie

Try the Salamander Synergy modules...you can do just about anything with them. The Triples are 65.75"w:

http://www.salamanderdesigns.com/syn/triples.jsp

Originally posted by videobruce
I know they (Hitachi) wanted to have it look as a Plasma, but it looks 'funny' sitting flat on the stand. I feel it would look better on a raised base made of wood painted black that would be smaller than the outside of the unit itself as in a pedestal look.

The Hitachi's look was a big selling point for me. Nice and simple.

Originally posted by aafflyer
Speaking of a reflection, this is the room my new 60VS810 will be going into as a replacement for the Pioneer Elite you can see part of on the left hand side of the picture.

http://gallery.avsforum.com/data/503/50170DSC_1916.JPG

I'm anxious to see how bad the reflection will be...

And this a picture of whats being replaced / upgraded:

http://gallery.avsforum.com/data/503/50170DSC_1912.JPG

The TV goes, the audio component stand goes, the speakers eventually get smaller or go into the wall (what my wife wants). And the grooming table -- my wife is upset I took the picture with it in the frame ;)

Charlie
Will you have any way of controlling the light coming in from the right windows? If not, you may not like your results. That's a very bright room!

You might want to try the Director's Series. The screen is supposed to be less reflective.

Originally posted by captain_video
Can you tell us what the timeline of your situation and what were the circumstances that allowed you to get a new screen? I'm curious to know if the screen is covered under the warranty or if you were just persistent with getting Hitachi to replace it for you. I am assuming you are getting it replaced at no cost to you so please correct me if my assumption is wrong. Do you know if they are they replacing it with a newly redesigned screen or just a new one of the same design?

Hey captain_video,

I have the 50vx915 and getting a new screen because of blotches on the screen that go away after a hour or so. The screen will be here in a few weeks. They are replacing the screen free of charge and I had no problem in getting them to replace it. Just took some pictures of the blotches and gave them to the tech and he forwarded them to hitachi,then hitachi told them to replace the screen.I'll let you know if it's a redesigned screen or not when I get it replaced.

See Ya, Hoss

Originally posted by jemaerca
Will you have any way of controlling the light coming in from the right windows? If not, you may not like your results. That's a very bright room!
Nope, no real way to control the light. And that picture was just the half of it -- the whole house plan is very open, and has a lot of day time light. There are two 6' x 10' windows + four 2' x 4' windows + two 6' x 3' windows on that wall on the right. Bottom line is during the daytime I'm screwed as far as light goes (TV wise); one just learns to live with it.

I wasn't really looking for advise or help as much as commenting on the other post that was talking about their reflection issues.

While the Director's model probably has a better screen, the price difference was way too much in terms of the CC deal I got (the 15% giftcards good towards future purchases were worth $570 [the math majors now go to work to figure out what the price of the TV was]) with the net cost of the set driving me towards not waiting to see what the 2005 models bring.

I just hope that I don't end up with a set with issues some of you went through. After reading these threads, going back and forth during the decision process of DLP vs LCD, then picking three sets (Mits DLP WD62725, Sony LCD 60XS955, and Hitachi LCD 60VS810) I settled on the Hitachi. All three sets have there own threads of horror stories...

Anyway, with the purchase from a local store as opposed to over the net, and CC with their 30 day return policy, I feel I have some insurance against getting a set for what every reason turns out to be a bad apple...

Now all I have to do is figure out what I want from CC with the gift cards -- I may have to Ebay them if CC doesn' carry anything else that I need / want.

Anyway, excited about the set and moving from 16x9 SD (my current Pioneer Elite Pro 1009W seven year old set) to 16x9 HD.

Charlie

Can anyone try tp explain to me the differences between the 810 and Director's Series in layman's terms?

Thanks,
Ian

Originally posted by iruderman
Can anyone try tp explain to me the differences between the 810 and Director's Series in layman's terms?

Thanks,
Ian


Hey Ian,

I have the 50vx915 and here are the difference's vs. the 810;


1) the darker screen

2) extra small remote

3) black side trim vs. the 810 silver

4) 2 firewire inputs

5) 2 IR blaster inputs (which will let you control up to 4 devices with on screen commands)

6) gold lettering


They are the same set except for the things above as far as I know.
Hope this helps you out.

See Ya, Hoss

Thanks Hoss,

I believe I read that the screen is less relective on the 915. Is this correct?

Bottom line...is the 915 worth the extra money?

Thanks,
Ian

Originally posted by iruderman
Thanks Hoss,

I believe I read that the screen is less relective on the 915. Is this correct?

Bottom line...is the 915 worth the extra money?

Thanks,
Ian

I opted for the 915 (70" version) after looking at both. In the showroom environment where glare was an issue, the 915 looked better to my wife and I.

Joe

Originally posted by Carfan
I opted for the 915 (70" version) after looking at both. In the showroom environment where glare was an issue, the 915 looked better to my wife and I.

Joe

PS - I forgot to add - there was a $500.00 price difference between the two. Had it been more, I might have gone the other way, but not at that price point.

Joe

Hello everyone!

I've been following this thread for a while and I'm pretty much sold on the 60VS810. I intend to make a purchase at a local CC in the next 2 weeks! I am definetly getting the matching stand and am considering a protection plan.

I had a couple of questions:

For those who bought at CC, what general approaches have you taken to perhaps negotiate a lower price or better deal? Do you have to talk directly with a manager? What kinda deals can you get ?

Also, is it worth getting an extended warranty (like CC protection plan) for this TV? I figure I'd notice any of the serious problems (like the green thing) within the first 30 days and would have a manufacturer's warranty for 1 year. Do you think average repairs would be expensive if something went wrong after the first year?

Thanks for your help in advance!

well now hitachi canada rep says now that ALL vs810 series have green tint and that is natural for this technology. Total bull this is so they do not have to cover this issue on warranty. Some people say that their sets have no problem and there is conflicting stories from people and their encounters with hitachi. what excuses has hitachi given to those who are experiencing this problem with their sets?
thanks.

Originally posted by Hoss 315
Hey captain_video,

I have the 50vx915 and getting a new screen because of blotches on the screen that go away after a hour or so. The screen will be here in a few weeks. They are replacing the screen free of charge and I had no problem in getting them to replace it. Just took some pictures of the blotches and gave them to the tech and he forwarded them to hitachi,then hitachi told them to replace the screen.I'll let you know if it's a redesigned screen or not when I get it replaced.

See Ya, Hoss

I have the 50vs810 and have the blotch issue. I have had the TV in 3 times for service for this problem. The first time they cleaned the screen which did nothing. The second time they switched out the screen and the new screen had the same problem. The third time they switched it out for a "new improved"screen and that is a direct quote from the repair tech, "a new improved screen". Guess what? No improvement. No wait slight improvement...it only takes about 15-30 minutes for blotches to disappear instead of 1-2 hours. I'm afraid to take it in again in case i get the green bleed problem. TV is otherwise awesome. F*&@in blotches!!!

Originally posted by kielby
For those who bought at CC, what general approaches have you taken to perhaps negotiate a lower price or better deal? Do you have to talk directly with a manager? What kinda deals can you get ?

Also, is it worth getting an extended warranty (like CC protection plan) for this TV? I figure I'd notice any of the serious problems (like the green thing) within the first 30 days and would have a manufacturer's warranty for 1 year. Do you think average repairs would be expensive if something went wrong after the first year?
I just bought the 60VS810 last Friday; will be delivered next Tuesday (would have been sooner but I was stalling for time while I figured out stand). I dropped some pretty serious hints above about the structure of my deal; but PM me if you want the full detail.

I am a very aggressive shopper in terms of getting the best price, but CC was really having none of it in terms of "negotiation". Bottom line is they will match a price, but it must be local, in stock, and in writing.

Thus the main problem is not a lot of dealers sell Hitachi, and thus having competing prices are harder to find than say the Sony LCD.

That having been said, there is an opportunity to get a good deal from CC.

First, get over to ebay and bid and win a 10% off any in-store purchase over $99 coupon, but buy from a reputable seller, and buy now so you get the coupon in the mail asap. This will cost anywhere from $5 to $15 depending on the auction. I would have done this, but I learned about this too late and would have missed the last weeks sale price (roughly $400 less than the price this week).

Second, if you make the purchase with a CC rewards Visa credit card (five minute approval in store if your credit is good) you will have the choice of reward points which effectively give you a 5% gift card towards a future purchase (for example $4000 TV equals $200 gift card) OR the promo finance deal (i.e. zero interest).

So if you opt for the gift card, the ebay coupon + rewards equals 15% off CC price.

As for warranty, you can get third party warranty for much less. I found a 4 year Warrentech / Repairmaster warranty for about $200 (again PM if you want details) -- its not entirely clear if this will cover a bulb. The one nice thing about the CC warranty (at least they said) is that it extends your right to return from 30 days to one year (better check on this) and if something is really screwed up during warranty you can get a new set rather than repaired. But I may have heard them wrong, and they wanted $600 for 4 years. FYI, I passed on the CC warranty, but may buy the Repairmaster warranty later -- but no sense buying that until the TV makes it past the 30 day return period.

I hope I have no problems with the set, but after reading the horror story on all of these different LCD or DLP models, I think it is worth some premium to be buying from a store with a return policy where you can get your money back.

Charlie

P.S> Bought my stand today. It was a rough purchase -- about half of what I paid for the set, but it passed the WAF test. JSP Jazzy. Nice, but big bucks. Drove the best bargain I could on that also...

Originally posted by clambone
well now hitachi canada rep says now that ALL vs810 series have green tint and that is natural for this technology. Total bull this is so they do not have to cover this issue on warranty. Some people say that their sets have no problem and there is conflicting stories from people and their encounters with hitachi. what excuses has hitachi given to those who are experiencing this problem with their sets?
thanks.

I've been through 3 sets now, and the consensus now as told to me by Hitachi as well is, this technology is expected to produce this, although they did indicate it's because of their new light engine. After 5 months of "fighting" with the store and Hitachi (nice to know my $$ has the store fighting for their customers....not) they have given the store a credit for the full purchase price of my TV + Stand.
Sony XS I think it will have to be. I have a soap opera experience with this TV so I think I need to bite the bullet and get rid of Hitachi.

Total bull this is so they do not have to cover this issue on warranty. Some people say that their sets have no problem and there is conflicting stories from people and their encounters with hitachi.
This may not be as much of a fabrication as some would believe. I read elsewhere (I think it may have been in The Perfect Vision) that LCD technology for RPTVs is subject to a green tint. This would cetainly account for the widespread reports of the green tint issue with so many of the sets.

Sounds like BS to me. I am on my second set. The first one had a minor green tint -- but other more major problems. The second one is seemingly still perfect after nearly three months.

If the tint problem was inherent in the technology, they wouldn't be able to produce sets without it. Since not all the sets have it, ergo, it is not inherent in the technology.

The short of it, is that Hitachi has some serious quality control problems with these sets. My first one was a complete piece of junk. I demanded a second one -- which I only got after hiring an attorney -- William Pinilis at www.consumerfraudlawyer.com -- and the new set has been fine.

Don't accept a defective set. My advice is to get an attorney if they won't be reasonable.

anybody had this set calibrated and did it produce results that were favorable

Originally posted by aafflyer
I just bought the 60VS810 last Friday; will be delivered next Tuesday (would have been sooner but I was stalling for time while I figured out stand). I dropped some pretty serious hints above about the structure of my deal; but PM me if you want the full detail.

I am a very aggressive shopper in terms of getting the best price, but CC was really having none of it in terms of "negotiation". Bottom line is they will match a price, but it must be local, in stock, and in writing.

Thus the main problem is not a lot of dealers sell Hitachi, and thus having competing prices are harder to find than say the Sony LCD.

That having been said, there is an opportunity to get a good deal from CC.

First, get over to ebay and bid and win a 10% off any in-store purchase over $99 coupon, but buy from a reputable seller, and buy now so you get the coupon in the mail asap. This will cost anywhere from $5 to $15 depending on the auction. I would have done this, but I learned about this too late and would have missed the last weeks sale price (roughly $400 less than the price this week).

Second, if you make the purchase with a CC rewards Visa credit card (five minute approval in store if your credit is good) you will have the choice of reward points which effectively give you a 5% gift card towards a future purchase (for example $4000 TV equals $200 gift card) OR the promo finance deal (i.e. zero interest).

So if you opt for the gift card, the ebay coupon + rewards equals 15% off CC price.

As for warranty, you can get third party warranty for much less. I found a 4 year Warrentech / Repairmaster warranty for about $200 (again PM if you want details) -- its not entirely clear if this will cover a bulb. The one nice thing about the CC warranty (at least they said) is that it extends your right to return from 30 days to one year (better check on this) and if something is really screwed up during warranty you can get a new set rather than repaired. But I may have heard them wrong, and they wanted $600 for 4 years. FYI, I passed on the CC warranty, but may buy the Repairmaster warranty later -- but no sense buying that until the TV makes it past the 30 day return period.

I hope I have no problems with the set, but after reading the horror story on all of these different LCD or DLP models, I think it is worth some premium to be buying from a store with a return policy where you can get your money back.

Charlie

P.S> Bought my stand today. It was a rough purchase -- about half of what I paid for the set, but it passed the WAF test. JSP Jazzy. Nice, but big bucks. Drove the best bargain I could on that also...

Thank You, Thank You, Thank you. Finally someone has given some good solid advice on making a large purchase from a big retail chain. I have put up post after post asking for advice on how to negotiate prices at CC and BB, but nothing. Everyone intimates how they got a good deal, but ask for details and they get the memory of a congressman on trial. Thank you, thank you.

Originally posted by jackbnimble
Thank You, Thank You, Thank you. Finally someone has given some good solid advice on making a large purchase from a big retail chain. I have put up post after post asking for advice on how to negotiate prices at CC and BB, but nothing. Everyone intimates how they got a good deal, but ask for details and they get the memory of a congressman on trial. Thank you, thank you.
Your welcome.

My 60VS810 got delivered today. So far, I am very pleased. More later after I get this thing figured out.

I hope maybe you have acted on getting a 10% off coupon, and will have it by Saturday. This is because CC has the 60XS810 on sale again this week ($20 less than the price I paid, but I already got this refunded on price guarentee). So if you have a 10% off coupon, and do the rewards card (approved on the spot in the store with good credit) you are going to get the set for sale price less 10% and then get 5% towards a future CC purchase. Which turns out to be as good or better than any internet sale.

Charlie

Anyone have trouble with the light intensity changing during dark scenes? It's almost like a slow flicker.

Originally posted by bfriend
Anyone have trouble with the light intensity changing during dark scenes? It's almost like a slow flicker.

Its a problem with the black enhancement. Turn it to low or off if it is distracting.

It's completely off. That's the first thing I tried. I've got a tech from CC coming today. I was hoping somebody else had the same problem and was able to resolve it.

My 50VS810 is going back. There's a green tint on the bottom left and bottom right areas of the screen that couldn't be tweaked out and the Hitachi tech that came over said that it's probably the screen. The bad news is a new screen or a new TV could have the same issue. I really wanted to keep this TV. Leaning towards the HM84/HMX84 TVs right now...

I don't know about anyone else on here but since buying the 50vs810 last sept I've got a serious case of the 'green tint buyers remorse'.

A whining YAZ

I'm just glad this forum to know that this issue is out there. The green tint is bad enough that I would have been bothered by it anyway but it helped to see the experience of others here.

I am new here and I just received my 50vs810 fro UECWeb. I have yet to get the Comcast HD receiver, but I hope to go DVI - HDMI on that and HDMI to HDMI on my home theater. I will keep everyone updated. I havent seen any of these dreaded "greens" that everyone is talking about yet. I hope that doesnt start when I start doing HD.

The quickest way to see if your set is affected is go to:
Menu/Setup/Screen Saver/Wipe

The set I received (and a couple of others I saw at CC) had green discoloration on the lower left and lower right of the screen.

Yikes. I tried the screensaver and just realized I have the problem too. Green blob in the lower right hand corner. Never noticed it while watching the set.

Yep. I wouldnt call it a green blob.. I would call it a discoloration on the right side.. the upper portion.. Also looks to be blotches around the edges.. Almost looks like grime under the protective shield.

ANy suggestions?

Originally posted by booyaa
Yep. I wouldnt call it a green blob.. I would call it a discoloration on the right side.. the upper portion.. Also looks to be blotches around the edges.. Almost looks like grime under the protective shield.

ANy suggestions?

Hey booyaa,

As far as the the blotches go, see if they go away after a hour or two after turning on your set.I have the blotches on my set and they go away after a hour or so. I'm getting a new screen for this problem.

See Ya, Hoss