you will not see a resolution number when receiving an HD signal from the internal ATSC or QAM tuner. It will simply say "HD"...

Thank you for your answer. There is so much to learn about this new HDTV I am just flying by the seat of my pants. But I just love my 52725 . I would recomend this set to anyone out there trying to decide which set to buy. I can't emagine getting any better picture on any other model. I looked at a lot of the new HDTV sets before I chose the Mitsubishi, you can buy a lemon with any product manufactured today.

For those of you that can't decide what brand to buy because you read somewhere in a forum that there are problems. I say take the plunge and buy the 52725. You will not be disappointed. If you love love Football as much as I do, seeing it in HD on this 52725, it will knock your socks off.

I am putting this here because I think it is a TV issue.

I have a 62725 and am trying to get HD channels OTA via a indoor antenna(silver sensor). Here is the print out from antennaweb

WPGH 53 FOX PITTSBURGH PA 50° 11.3 53
WPGH-DT 53.1 FOX PITTSBURGH PA 50° 11.3 43

I have the antenna connected to ANT-1. I go to the antenna menu on the netcommand and select ant-1 and air and have it memorize the channels.

When it gets to the digital channels, channel 43 the one I want, I noticed it says added.
When it is complete I do not get the HD channel as in it is not in the lineup.
I DO get the analog channel and the picture is perfect no ghosting etc.
If I go back to the antenna menu and scroll through the channels, I notice that 53-1 is deleted. If I manually add it and change to that channel the banner across the top says WPGH-DT DIGITAL BRODCAST but the screen is a light grey color but no picture.

Since I can get the analog channel with a great picture and the digital one is coming from the same tower should'nt I get the digital one?

Am I doing something wrong?
Obviously the Tv is finding the digital channel because it knows the call letters etc.

BTW - I do not get any other digital channels either.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

What is your firmware rev? Also, do you have the "Prefer Digital" option set?

UMD_Terp,

Firmware is .003

I have tried the prefer digital and it does the same thing.

Contacted Mits today and they are sending out the latest firmware, although the guy did not think it would fix it.

If you see a banner and light grey as opposed to the blue screen then the station probably isn't broadcasting. I suggest you go to the HDTV forum here on AVS and look up the thread for Pittsburgh. You will probably find the answers you need there. Not all stations are broadcasting digital or HDTV all the time. Some broadcast digital at low power so it may depend how far you are from the tower (you may still get analog because it's at full strength).

Also, the Silver Sensor is VERY directional so you need to make sure it's pointed correctly before you can expect to get anything either on the search or when you tune in a specific channel. Sometimes it takes a couple of seconds if you're adjusting it as well.

Good luck!

Originally posted by cnorth
I am putting this here because I think it is a TV issue.

I have a 62725 and am trying to get HD channels OTA via a indoor antenna(silver sensor). Here is the print out from antennaweb

WPGH 53 FOX PITTSBURGH PA 50° 11.3 53
WPGH-DT 53.1 FOX PITTSBURGH PA 50° 11.3 43

I have the antenna connected to ANT-1. I go to the antenna menu on the netcommand and select ant-1 and air and have it memorize the channels.

When it gets to the digital channels, channel 43 the one I want, I noticed it says added.
When it is complete I do not get the HD channel as in it is not in the lineup.
I DO get the analog channel and the picture is perfect no ghosting etc.
If I go back to the antenna menu and scroll through the channels, I notice that 53-1 is deleted. If I manually add it and change to that channel the banner across the top says WPGH-DT DIGITAL BRODCAST but the screen is a light grey color but no picture.

Since I can get the analog channel with a great picture and the digital one is coming from the same tower should'nt I get the digital one?

Am I doing something wrong?
Obviously the Tv is finding the digital channel because it knows the call letters etc.

BTW - I do not get any other digital channels either.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Although this might have nothing to do with the problem, to me NetCommand has a decidedly unintuitive feel to it. I just do not like the interface.

In fact I am using an MX850 Universal remote that I have programed for that system and would not have even attempted to use NetCommand to run the whole system. I don't wonder if there is some programming step that is required that is causing your problem.

cnorth,

I've got the same problem... I haven't had a chance to call Mitsu yet on it. During the channel memorization process it adds digital channel 18 (which is a PBS channel that is mapped to 6-1) but after the scan neither 6-1 or 18-1 show up in channelview and it won't allow me to tune to the channel.

This is a bug.

Are you using full-blown netcommand with the IR control of your components?

Big Al,

No, I am not using the IR capabilities. I bought a Harmony romote to control the switching.

Mits said I should get the firmware upgrade on Fri. I'll report back.

Originally posted by cnorth
I am putting this here because I think it is a TV issue.

I have a 62725 and am trying to get HD channels OTA via a indoor antenna(silver sensor). Here is the print out from antennaweb

WPGH 53 FOX PITTSBURGH PA 50° 11.3 53
WPGH-DT 53.1 FOX PITTSBURGH PA 50° 11.3 43

I have the antenna connected to ANT-1. I go to the antenna menu on the netcommand and select ant-1 and air and have it memorize the channels.

When it gets to the digital channels, channel 43 the one I want, I noticed it says added.
When it is complete I do not get the HD channel as in it is not in the lineup.
I DO get the analog channel and the picture is perfect no ghosting etc.
If I go back to the antenna menu and scroll through the channels, I notice that 53-1 is deleted. If I manually add it and change to that channel the banner across the top says WPGH-DT DIGITAL BRODCAST but the screen is a light grey color but no picture.

Since I can get the analog channel with a great picture and the digital one is coming from the same tower should'nt I get the digital one?

Am I doing something wrong?
Obviously the Tv is finding the digital channel because it knows the call letters etc.

BTW - I do not get any other digital channels either.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

cnorth,

I had the exact same problem when I got mine. I unchecked the "prefer digital" and had the unit "look" for channels again, then viola! I had all the DT channels up and running. ...BTW the hair has almost grown back from that.

Originally posted by cnorth
I am putting this here because I think it is a TV issue.

I have a 62725 and am trying to get HD channels OTA via a indoor antenna(silver sensor). Here is the print out from antennaweb

WPGH 53 FOX PITTSBURGH PA 50° 11.3 53
WPGH-DT 53.1 FOX PITTSBURGH PA 50° 11.3 43

I have the antenna connected to ANT-1. I go to the antenna menu on the netcommand and select ant-1 and air and have it memorize the channels.



What do you get when you tune to channel 43 manually?

jimrimback,

I actually tried both prefer digital checked and unchecked and neither worked. :(


garciab,

Tuning to 43 shows static. The Tv seems to be smart enough and have enough signal to map channel 43 to 53-1(digital) but 53-1 is showing up as deleted.

TV Stands - I remember seeing a link to a stands thread but I can't seem to find it. Can someone point me to it?

I am having a hard time finding one. I need it to have doors (glass) because my 9 month old is about to crawl and will be all over it!

Any suggestions? Thanks

Edit - I have the 52725

Gator: I do not know if this is what you want, but try: http://salamanderdesigns.com/ . They have a variety of stands with doors - none that lock, however. They are not large "Entertainment Units". I will be using a Synergy Triple 20.

cnorth,

I'd appreciate it if you post back on if that works or not. If it doesn't I'm going to call into Mits so we can get them started working on a fix.

Laurier also has some units with glass doors.

Originally posted by AEC
Gator: I do not know if this is what you want, but try: http://salamanderdesigns.com/ . They have a variety of stands with doors - none that lock, however. They are not large "Entertainment Units". I will be using a Synergy Triple 20.


Thanks AEC, That is really like the Triple 20 too but my wife would not even look at it when I told her the price. She still does not understand why I needed to spend more than $1,000 on a TV :(

For those of you that might be looking for a really good indoor UHF antenna, I wanted to pass along my recomendation for the Silver Sensor. I live in an area that is not good for picking up over the air signals. Over many weeks I tryed just about every antenna that is available for indoor use. The TERK's, and all the radio shack stuff, jenson. ECT. The last antenna I tryed was the Zenith Silver Sensor. This is the same antenna as the phillips model. After looking at it my first thought was this will never work. It looks really cheap to me. Similar in design to the TERK HDTVI pro.The Terk look like it was made better. But I couldn't be happier with the silver sensor. It picks up all kinds of stations . You just have to point it in the right direction before you do your channel scan on the 52725. I got mine at Sears for $39.00, but you can get it on line at BUY.COM for $19.95

Anybody find a way to watch another source on their 725 while recording some HDTV from an OTA antenna through firewire to a DVHS? I've actually got my computer set up to simulate a DVHS, and recordings of OTA HD are great. Just haven't found a way to watch a different source while the recording is happening...

Originally posted by Lombard
Anybody find a way to watch another source on their 725 while recording some HDTV from an OTA antenna through firewire to a DVHS? I've actually got my computer set up to simulate a DVHS, and recordings of OTA HD are great. Just haven't found a way to watch a different source while the recording is happening...

can't do it... you can turn the TV off, but you will not be able to switch to another device while recording.

Originally posted by Lombard
Anybody find a way to watch another source on their 725 while recording some HDTV from an OTA antenna through firewire to a DVHS? I've actually got my computer set up to simulate a DVHS, and recordings of OTA HD are great. Just haven't found a way to watch a different source while the recording is happening...

I actually have gotten that to work...

I use CapDVHS to do the recording. It is totally manual, and requires you to turn on the TV for unattended recording. It does work though - I have my computer hooked to the VGA input, and switched to that input after tuning the TV to the right OTA station. Hit record using the TV as my computer monitor, and even switched to other inputs (BUT NOT THE OTHER COAX INPUT - CABLE IN MY CASE). Recording went just fine. My TV doesn't realize that the firewire connection is used (there is no Device set up for recording in Net Command).

What are you using to emulate the DVHS? Is it Firebus Recorder (or similar name - I cant remember)?

Jeff

Originally posted by spiff72
I actually have gotten that to work...

I use CapDVHS to do the recording. It is totally manual, and requires you to turn on the TV for unattended recording. It does work though - I have my computer hooked to the VGA input, and switched to that input after tuning the TV to the right OTA station. Hit record using the TV as my computer monitor, and even switched to other inputs (BUT NOT THE OTHER COAX INPUT - CABLE IN MY CASE). Recording went just fine. My TV doesn't realize that the firewire connection is used (there is no Device set up for recording in Net Command).

What are you using to emulate the DVHS? Is it Firebus Recorder (or similar name - I cant remember)?

Jeff

very interesting... so it seems that the firewire port is always active and set to the last used coax input used regardless of the current device selected... that's a pretty neat undocumented feature :)

Originally posted by UMD_Terp
very interesting... so it seems that the firewire port is always active and set to the last used coax input used regardless of the current device selected... that's a pretty neat undocumented feature :)

I forgot to mention that switching to the cable input from the antenna input (or from any other input) while the computer is recording crashes my computer.

And for some reason, recording HD channels (lifeline ABC and NBC digitals) off from cable has never worked. I only get zero length files.

I am still curious what software Lombard is using...I tried the ones that emulate the DVHS (and communicate back to the TV, and failed miserably).

Thanks,
Jeff

gonna try that recording trick to record CSI right now.....

Now another problem. 9 times out of 10, I can't get the digital audio out to work when watching HD. My receiver will play about half a second of sound, and then just quit. The display on the receiver just flashes between showing "Digital" and "DPLII" really quickly. No audio though. Think this is a reason to call Mits??

Upon further reflection...the receiver is a Pioneer 1014. Been really happy with it, but I've heard it has some problems with digital audio with a couple of satellite receivers. Perhaps it's a similar problem here? Guess I'll have to pull out the old digital decoder and see what happens.....

Originally posted by BigAl
cnorth,

I've got the same problem... I haven't had a chance to call Mitsu yet on it. During the channel memorization process it adds digital channel 18 (which is a PBS channel that is mapped to 6-1) but after the scan neither 6-1 or 18-1 show up in channelview and it won't allow me to tune to the channel.

This is a bug.

Are you using full-blown netcommand with the IR control of your components?
Called Mitsu and they sent me new firmware for this problem.

Keep us updated if the firmware fixes this.

Originally posted by BigAl
Keep us updated if the firmware fixes this.

The .04 firmware seems to be a big improvement. I'm not getting the phantom channels off the cable tv antenna 2 input anymore.

I just received the .04 FW as well a few days back... hard to say if it changed anything as far as I could tell... the TV has been fairly stable since the .03 FW anyways...

I am using a HD direct TV with my 525. I notice with fast moving motion I get small amounts of pixlization. Do you think upgrading the firmware will help? Or does anyone have any ideas what I can look at to help this problem? One last thing I am using the component. Would the hdmi imput help?

Thanks for the help

Originally posted by BigAl
Laurier also has some units with glass doors.

I looked almost as long for and Ent. Ctr. to put my TV in as I did the actual TV. I finally went with a Laurier unit, after seeing one of their catalogs in my local tweeter. But when I went to order it, they called me the next day to say they didn't carry that model, even though it was in their catalog. I used Laurier's website to find the next closest dealer, which was about 40 miles away. Instead of driving their, I simply called them on the phone and ordered what I wanted. Got it about a month later delivered to my door step. Here is a pic just after I got everything hooked up (it looks better now that I have junk in it (you know, knick knacks and doo dads the wife likes).

Too bad Tweeter didn't carry it though, because they missed out on the TV sale too.

Originally posted by Lombard
gonna try that recording trick to record CSI right now.....

Now another problem. 9 times out of 10, I can't get the digital audio out to work when watching HD. My receiver will play about half a second of sound, and then just quit. The display on the receiver just flashes between showing "Digital" and "DPLII" really quickly. No audio though. Think this is a reason to call Mits??

Upon further reflection...the receiver is a Pioneer 1014. Been really happy with it, but I've heard it has some problems with digital audio with a couple of satellite receivers. Perhaps it's a similar problem here? Guess I'll have to pull out the old digital decoder and see what happens.....

Did you get it to record CSI?

On the digital audio question, I assume that you are just talking about "watching" HD, not recording, correct? If so, I have no problems with the digital audio out (coax) from the TV. Just sound dropouts between commercials (my local NBC affiliate seems clueless on the proper configuration to prevent these dropouts when they show "local" stuff).

Finally, can you tell me what software you used to do the recording you did previously? Did you download the software I mentioned in my other post ("CapDVHS")?

Thanks,
Jeff

Originally posted by spiff72
I actually have gotten that to work...

I use CapDVHS to do the recording. It is totally manual, and requires you to turn on the TV for unattended recording. It does work though - I have my computer hooked to the VGA input, and switched to that input after tuning the TV to the right OTA station. Hit record using the TV as my computer monitor, and even switched to other inputs (BUT NOT THE OTHER COAX INPUT - CABLE IN MY CASE). Recording went just fine. My TV doesn't realize that the firewire connection is used (there is no Device set up for recording in Net Command).

What are you using to emulate the DVHS? Is it Firebus Recorder (or similar name - I cant remember)?

Jeff

I should also clarify that I have a 62525 (not a 725). I doubt that this makes any difference, but just in case newer models have different capabilities...

Thanks,
Jeff

Originally posted by spiff72
Did you get it to record CSI?

On the digital audio question, I assume that you are just talking about "watching" HD, not recording, correct? If so, I have no problems with the digital audio out (coax) from the TV. Just sound dropouts between commercials (my local NBC affiliate seems clueless on the proper configuration to prevent these dropouts when they show "local" stuff).

Finally, can you tell me what software you used to do the recording you did previously? Did you download the software I mentioned in my other post ("CapDVHS")?

Thanks,
Jeff

Well, I had some issues. I tried tuning in to my OTA CBS channel and then hooking up my comp and starting up the virtual DVHS. Switched to another input on the TV and hit record on my computer, but didn't get anything. May be some configuration issues on the computer to work out. Gonna play some more this weekend. I did manage to record some CSI in HD. Haven't had a chance to review what I've got and play it back though.

I'm using a mac, so at this point I'm just using the virual DVHS software included in Apple's firewire SDK. Need to do some more research on any work people may have done to expand it's capabilities.

Regarding the digital audio, it's a problem with viewing OTA. No recorder even hooked up. I've tried various cables and several inputs on my receiver and got nothing. Another project for this weekend is to hook up my old DD/DTS decoder and see if it handles the audio properly. If so, the Pioneer's going back to Best Buy and Tweeter's going to make some extra money off of me when I go pick up a Denon AVR-2805.

P.S. Sorry about missing your earlier requests regarding the software I'm using. Somehow brainfarted right past your posts....

Originally posted by Lombard
Well, I had some issues. I tried tuning in to my OTA CBS channel and then hooking up my comp and starting up the virtual DVHS. Switched to another input on the TV and hit record on my computer, but didn't get anything. May be some configuration issues on the computer to work out. Gonna play some more this weekend. I did manage to record some CSI in HD. Haven't had a chance to review what I've got and play it back though.

I'm using a mac, so at this point I'm just using the virual DVHS software included in Apple's firewire SDK. Need to do some more research on any work people may have done to expand it's capabilities.

Regarding the digital audio, it's a problem with viewing OTA. No recorder even hooked up. I've tried various cables and several inputs on my receiver and got nothing. Another project for this weekend is to hook up my old DD/DTS decoder and see if it handles the audio properly. If so, the Pioneer's going back to Best Buy and Tweeter's going to make some extra money off of me when I go pick up a Denon AVR-2805.

P.S. Sorry about missing your earlier requests regarding the software I'm using. Somehow brainfarted right past your posts....

I am not familiar with Mac's, but I don't know if you can watch something else while recording off firewire if the Mits thinks that a DVHS is attached. I could be wrong here, but not sure.

I was able to use the program I mentioned since it doesn't communicate with the TV (integrate with Netcommand to do the recording). THE "CAPDVHS" program is totally independent, so you operate it only with the computer - no scheduling of recordings via Netcommand. This is limiting though, since the TV must be on (as far as I can tell) to record anything, so unattended recording is only possible if you leave the TV on (obviously not an idea situation). There is an event timer in the software, so you just tell it when to start and stop recording.

Thanks,
Jeff

Originally posted by dwarren2
The .04 firmware seems to be a big improvement. I'm not getting the phantom channels off the cable tv antenna 2 input anymore.

Can anyone with CableCard check to see if their set allows seeing two analog channels from the Cable-1 source while using POP/side-by-side? I have not been able to see this after I upgraded to the .03 software.

(Without CableCard, the set works fine in showing both analog side-by-side.)

Originally posted by Daranman
Can anyone with CableCard check to see if their set allows seeing two analog channels from the Cable-1 source while using POP/side-by-side? I have not been able to see this after I upgraded to the .03 software.

(Without CableCard, the set works fine in showing both analog side-by-side.)

I couldn't do it either. I called Mitsubishi. They said the left side when using Ant1 on both sides must be a HD channel. He said even though there are two tuners, having analog tv on both sides is like trying to do POP with the same source on both sides.

I have CableCard with Adelphia.

I am using a HD direct TV with my 525. I notice with fast moving motion I get small amounts of pixlization. Do you think upgrading the firmware will help? Or does anyone have any ideas what I can look at to help this problem? One last thing I am using the component. Would the hdmi imput help?

Thanks for the help

Originally posted by 2left
I couldn't do it either. I called Mitsubishi. They said the left side when using Ant1 on both sides must be a HD channel. He said even though there are two tuners, having analog tv on both sides is like trying to do POP with the same source on both sides.

I have CableCard with Adelphia.

2left,
Do you have the .04 software?

regarding my problem of not getting the hd signals with a over the air antenna.

I recieved firmware update .004 and it FIXED my problem!! I did absolutely nothing different except update the firmware and am now getting 6 HD feeds with my 20 buck silver sensor.


All of you who replyed with the same problem, call Mits for the software update.

cnorth, thanks for reporting back. Good to hear. That's my last outstanding issue.

Originally posted by Lombard

Now another problem. 9 times out of 10, I can't get the digital audio out to work when watching HD. My receiver will play about half a second of sound, and then just quit. The display on the receiver just flashes between showing "Digital" and "DPLII" really quickly. No audio though. Think this is a reason to call Mits??

Upon further reflection...the receiver is a Pioneer 1014. Been really happy with it, but I've heard it has some problems with digital audio with a couple of satellite receivers. Perhaps it's a similar problem here? Guess I'll have to pull out the old digital decoder and see what happens.....

Well, turned out to be a problem with the receiver. After going through a few others, I've ended up with twice the receiver for twice the price. I'm now happily running a Yamaha RX-V1500.

On another note, I ran a quick calibration with AVIA. Ended up KILLING the flesh tones on my TV. major red push. Gonna have to re-try the calibration or maybe track down a copy of DVE.

For those of you out there with a DirecTV HD Tivo with the 725, how do you guys set your SD broadcasts? I'm trying all kinds of combinations, and can't determine which would be best. How do you like to set the following:

DirecTV: 480i, 480p, 720p, or 1080i?
DirecTV: Full or panel?
Mits format: narrow, standard, stretch, stretch plus, zoom, etc?

I think the picture looks best in narrow, but I don't like it not filling the screen. Leaving the DirecTV unit in 720p also seems to distort the image.

Any other considerations I am forgetting? I am running component for now until I get a replacement to get HDMI up and running.

Thanks.

Do whichever one you like best!

I leave Tivo on 720p, panel. Standard on mits.

Ok, a couple of months into my 52725 and I love it! However, I have a couple of issues worth mentioning:

1- I have the 'tilt' problem. Anybody know the Mits service tel. no.? (I'm in the sf bay area).

2- The set's 'Narrow' setting for watching 4:3 material (mostly SD content on Comcast Digital) appears to be a hair too narrow: the image appears a tad squished horizontally. This can be verified when compared to viewing a corresponding 1080i signal on showing 4:3 content w/ black bars on the side using the 'Standard' setting: the bars are indeed narrower (i.e. the image is wider). Anyone else seeing this? (I have FW v. 4.03)

3- Occasionally, I see a strange image artifact. It looks like a vertical crease in the image which appears right of center, moves rapidly across the center of the image and vanishes. This artifact appears across all input types (DVD, SD, HD, PS2). Anybody seeing this? Thoughts?

cheers.

The bars on an analog SD channel are always wider than a digital SD channel... I've seen this on my dad's Mitsubishi Diamond CRT as well...

Originally posted by Daranman
2left,
Do you have the .04 software?

Yes - I have the .04 software.

Originally posted by 2left
Yes - I have the .04 software.

Thanks for the reply. That's too bad that we can't use a second tuner using cable card for analog side-by-side. I guess its possible using another analog source, but you can't change the channels easily in the POP using the Netcommand remote only without switching the remote itself.

I swore it worked correctly when I had the .01 firmware.

Originally posted by UMD_Terp
The bars on an analog SD channel are always wider than a digital SD channel... I've seen this on my dad's Mitsubishi Diamond CRT as well...

Do you know why?

Originally posted by Panzer948
I looked almost as long for and Ent. Ctr. to put my TV in as I did the actual TV. I finally went with a Laurier unit, after seeing one of their catalogs in my local tweeter. But when I went to order it, they called me the next day to say they didn't carry that model, even though it was in their catalog. I used Laurier's website to find the next closest dealer, which was about 40 miles away. Instead of driving their, I simply called them on the phone and ordered what I wanted. Got it about a month later delivered to my door step. Here is a pic just after I got everything hooked up (it looks better now that I have junk in it (you know, knick knacks and doo dads the wife likes).

Too bad Tweeter didn't carry it though, because they missed out on the TV sale too.

Panzer948, that's a good looking ent. center. May I ask how much you paid?

Originally posted by chaos400ra3
Do you know why?

It could be the broadcast itself... I can't really say as to why... the picture's aspect looks fine on both so it really is of no consequence.

I got my 52725 just two weeks ago and have spent a LOT of time trying to chase down two forms of audio popping. I've read through much of this thread and see a lot of people with this sort of problem, but I didn't see any solutions to this. My two problems are:

1) Via the digital cable (SD only, not HDTV - I use OTA for HDTV) I get occasional poppings and cracking. I get none via OTA

2) Via my Panasonic S97 DVD player hooked up via HDMI I get popping on SOME DVDs but not others. This is worst when hitting the DVD menu button during playback. When the menu screen comes up a get a loud pop. This happened with the DVE DVD and others. I would think DVE would be pretty well produced. Ive written to Panasonic but have no response yet. I have not tried analog audio yet to see what this does.

Does anyone have ideas? I have not checked my firmware version but does anyone know if the latest firmware fixes this? I also see that some thought that perhaps loose HDMI connections caused this - was this ever verified? Has anyone ruled out the possibility of bad grounds causing some kind of static build up and discharge? It seems that the evidence is "bad" digital processing somehow but I don't know. Perhaps its the cable provider (in my case Adelphia in the Baltimore area).

The TV is great otherwise (no green push problems, tilt, etc.) but this popping is driving me nuts.

My apologies if this is an old topic. Thanks for any help with this.

I have an audio question as well. I have the TV's coax digital output hooked up to my receiver as well as the red and white analog cables out of Audio 2. My receiver (Yammaha RX-V750) has an auto feature to automatically detect the signal and switch from analog to digital.

Whenever I switch to an analog station, my receiver always autos to the digital output of the TV? Anyone know how I can solve this problem and have the receiver switch to the analog signal when I'm tuned to an analog station?

Originally posted by UMD_Terp
It could be the broadcast itself... I can't really say as to why... the picture's aspect looks fine on both so it really is of no consequence.

I don't think it's the broadcast.
Whenever my tv's(samsung crt rp and mits dlp rp) internal tuner is used for analog, all 4:3 is compressed in width(wider bars). Using the cable box displays the same 4:3 image for analog and digital.

So with the cable box, are the side bars just as large on the digital channels as they are on analog, or are they as small as the digital bars on all channels?

My mits is working great, but last night I noticed the screen was tilted a little up on the right side. Banner bars and the TV's menu bars show this the best. I have had it for only 2 weeks, but this is the first I noticed it. The only thing I did different last night was temporarily unplug it for a few minutes (it had not been on previouslly all day so it couldn't have been hot).

Does anyone know how to adjust the horiztontal and vertical bars? I can't find it in the manual anywhere. Do I have to call a service guy?

Thanks,

Originally posted by lalakrsfan
Panzer948, that's a good looking ent. center. May I ask how much you paid?

Hi,

I paid about 3000. Its a lot of money, but I got him to come down a little and these units are nice. It is desinged to release heat from the rear. My old one didn't have anything like this. All the shelves are wide and deep, allowing room for even my large AV Receiver. On my older one, I had to cut out the back for it to fit. The lighting is nice too. The curved glass doors allows the light to fill in the front of the cabinets all the way to the bottom.

Its also adjustable I think up to 70". WHich give me great flexiability if I want another TV in the future (smaller or larger).

Thanks,

Hi everyone,
I have had my WD-62725 for about 2 months now. The picture quality is excellent, and I have learned to live with the tons of reflections.

The fan noise, however, is KILLING ME.

I spoke to Mitsubishi, and they said a volume comparable to a small air conditioner is normal - I think the lady must have been laughing when she said it.
Has anybody that is comfortable with the fan noise put a sound meter to the TV? I am wondering what others are experiencing.
With the TV off, the continuous fan runs at 55db, I am going to take a reading of the "TV-on" fan with the volume muted tonight.

I am thinking of wrapping the bottom 1/2 of the tv-back in acoustic foam - how much trouble am I asking for by doing this? Is it very much worse than housing the tv snugly in a wall unit?
Any other ideas on what else I can do about the fan noise?

Originally posted by UMD_Terp
So with the cable box, are the side bars just as large on the digital channels as they are on analog, or are they as small as the digital bars on all channels?

The bars are of equal width on both low (analog) and high (digital) channels off my comcast cable box. The content is definitely slightly squished horizontally ... one can validate this by noticing how circles (e.g. the History Channel logo) are stretched vertically slightly. Of course, 1080i 4:3 content don't exhibit this.

Anybody else seeing slight vertical stretching on 4:3 SD content in "Narrow" display mode?

cheers.

With the TV off, the continuous fan runs at 55db, I am going to take a reading of the "TV-on" fan with the volume muted tonight.

The fan noise is distracting for me as well, although I can't hear it with the unit off in my normal listening position (approx 10'). I have my TV in a corner and I'm sure that the corner adds several dB to the noise. I bought a bunch of pillows and packed them around the side of the TV between the walls and the TV and this helps quite a bit. I'll likely add more but I need to be careful not to block the fan or overconstrain the area from a convection standpoint.

Relative to SPL, I only have a cheap Radioshack meter that does not measure below 50 dBA. I cannot pick up the fan noise at my normal listening position or even standing right in front of the set so it is less than 50. I can only pick it up if I put the meter behind the set and even then it is only in the 55 range. This is at the extreme low edge of the cheap meter and if it is not linear for its whole range it's possible that it is louder than that and it's just that my meter doesn't see it.

I've also thought about acoustic paneling / foam / etc. but just have not gotten there yet. I would think this would be OK provided none of the cooling fans are blocked. I would not think the TV is designed for a lot of convective cooling over the surface of the TV casing itself assuming normal room temperatures. I could be wrong though.

Originally posted by August West
The fan noise is distracting for me as well, although I can't hear it with the unit off in my normal listening position (approx 10'). I have my TV in a corner and I'm sure that the corner adds several dB to the noise. I bought a bunch of pillows and packed them around the side of the TV between the walls and the TV and this helps quite a bit. I'll likely add more but I need to be careful not to block the fan or overconstrain the area from a convection standpoint.

SNIP

I've also thought about acoustic paneling / foam / etc. but just have not gotten there yet. I would think this would be OK provided none of the cooling fans are blocked. I would not think the TV is designed for a lot of convective cooling over the surface of the TV casing itself assuming normal room temperatures. I could be wrong though.

I have a 62525, and I am not really bothered by the noise levels of my TV (either on or off). I have access to a sound meter. If anyone wants to know, I could borrow it from work and take readings in front of the TV in the on and off positions. But please advise what settings I should use on the meter to be consistent with your values.

Thanks,
Jeff

I have a 62525, and I am not really bothered by the noise levels of my TV (either on or off). I have access to a sound meter. If anyone wants to know, I could borrow it from work and take readings in front of the TV in the on and off positions. But please advise what settings I should use on the meter to be consistent with your values.

In my case I used dBA with the slow response. The only other options my cheap meter has are dBC and/or fast response. I don't see fast response as appropriate here as there is no spiking in hoise levels. Gut feel says dBC would give similar readings.

I should have clarified that with the unit off I can't register any reading. With the unit on is where I get the 55 dBA type numbers with the unit behind the TV near the fan outlet. I have to say subjectively it SEEMS louder than the SPL meter indicates.

In my case also it is not in any kind of entertainment center, which I think would help quite a bit. I;ve done the worst thing possible which is to not enclosure it and to place it in a corner. Units I saw in quiet HT stores that were in entertainment centers were pretty quiet. Ditto for those in the MIDDLE of a room where the noise was not being reflected back at the listener. In this second case I could hear the fan but not in a way that would be distracting, otherwise I would not have bought the TV. With all that this is why I think the corner placement is a lot of the issue.

Mine is in an entertainment center and I can't hear the fan at all unless I get right beside the TV and actually listen for it (see my reply on previous page for a picture).

Can anyone offer any ideas on my offset picture problem.

Thanks,

Originally posted by UMD_Terp
So with the cable box, are the side bars just as large on the digital channels as they are on analog, or are they as small as the digital bars on all channels?

The bars are just as small. The picture of all channels(non hd analog and digital) are correctly displayed in 4:3 format with black bars with the cable box.

For some reason the internal tuner of all the digital tv's that I have seen squeeze analog close to 3.5:3 with larger black bars. Maybe an attempt to improve analog on a digital display by compressing the image? Don't know why.

Originally posted by chaos400ra3
The bars are just as small. The picture of all channels(non hd analog and digital) are correctly displayed in 4:3 format with black bars with the cable box.

For some reason the internal tuner of all the digital tv's that I have seen squeeze analog close to 3.5:3 with larger black bars. Maybe an attempt to improve analog on a digital display by compressing the image? Don't know why.

I can't think of any good reason either without knowing exactly how the analog broadcast is processed differently..

Can someone help me out with my digital audio question on the previous page?

I have an audio question as well. I have the TV's coax digital output hooked up to my receiver as well as the red and white analog cables out of Audio 2. My receiver (Yammaha RX-V750) has an auto feature to automatically detect the signal and switch from analog to digital.

Whenever I switch to an analog station, my receiver always autos to the digital output of the TV. Since there is no digital audio on an analog station, I have to manually switch my receiver to the analog input. Anyone know how I can solve this problem and have the receiver switch to the analog signal when I'm tuned to an analog station?

When I unplug the digital coax cable from my TV and AVR, the receiver does what it should and "auto" switches to the analog signal. Is there some sort of "phantom/silent" digital signal that is being sent from the coax digital that would prevent my receiver from auto switching to the analog?

Thanks for the help.

Originally posted by August West
In my case I used dBA with the slow response. The only other options my cheap meter has are dBC and/or fast response. I don't see fast response as appropriate here as there is no spiking in hoise levels. Gut feel says dBC would give similar readings.

I should have clarified that with the unit off I can't register any reading. With the unit on is where I get the 55 dBA type numbers with the unit behind the TV near the fan outlet. I have to say subjectively it SEEMS louder than the SPL meter indicates.

In my case also it is not in any kind of entertainment center, which I think would help quite a bit. I;ve done the worst thing possible which is to not enclosure it and to place it in a corner. Units I saw in quiet HT stores that were in entertainment centers were pretty quiet. Ditto for those in the MIDDLE of a room where the noise was not being reflected back at the listener. In this second case I could hear the fan but not in a way that would be distracting, otherwise I would not have bought the TV. With all that this is why I think the corner placement is a lot of the issue.

OK I just tried - I get no reading at all on the meter I borrowed - probably the same one as you. It won't go below 50 dB, Radio Shack model 33-2055. It won't register with the TV off unless I hold it about 2 inches from the right hand side, in the area where the filter would be (opposite the filter on the left side). Then it would be about 60 dBC (A weighting got nothing).

With the TV on, the meter would read nothing right in front of the TV, but would register when I hold it up to the filter and vents on the left side - in this case I get about 65dBC.

Again, I don't notice the noise, but my hearing isn't all that great either (my wife made me admit that!). Mine is not in an entertainment center, but it is in a corner of the room...

Thanks,
Jeff

Does anyone have pictures of a 52725 on the MD-52825 stand? I am not a fan of the silver on the MD-52525...

Thanks for the help,
JakeAK

Originally posted by phillyaj
I'm real close (within a week...maybe less) of getting a 52725. My wife and I are looking for furniture and there are so many options, so for now, I am just going to pick up the matching stand. (MB-52525). I happened to be looking at the Mitsu website and saw they had a MB-52825, which is Black instead of Silver. Anyone know if this is available??? With the 52725 mostly black, it would seem like a better choice than the Silver MB-52525. The silver one matches great with the 52525 model....but that damn glare..

Also...anyone know where I can get specs on the the stands.. Need to know if My components will fit.

Thanks
Andy

The 825 stand is totally differnt, it is a high gloss where the tv is a matted finish, it doesn't match up all that well. I recieved my 62825 yesterday and it is fantastic!

Any recommendations for a stand for the 52725? I don't like silver TVs that much, so the MD-52525 doesnt look good to me. And, I don't want to spend the extra 1K on the 52825 just for cosmetics reasons!!

Thanks,
-JakeAK

Originally posted by jakeak
Any recommendations for a stand for the 52725? I don't like silver TVs that much, so the MD-52525 doesnt look good to me. And, I don't want to spend the extra 1K on the 52825 just for cosmetics reasons!!

Thanks,
-JakeAK

I have a Sanus PFDV . It is silver, but it holds a lot of equipment.
http://etailelectronics.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=02835

Here is a pic of what my 52725 looks like on the stand
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?s=&attachmentid=27177

Originally posted by gator33
Can someone help me out with my digital audio question on the previous page?

I have an audio question as well. I have the TV's coax digital output hooked up to my receiver as well as the red and white analog cables out of Audio 2. My receiver (Yammaha RX-V750) has an auto feature to automatically detect the signal and switch from analog to digital.

Whenever I switch to an analog station, my receiver always autos to the digital output of the TV. Since there is no digital audio on an analog station, I have to manually switch my receiver to the analog input. Anyone know how I can solve this problem and have the receiver switch to the analog signal when I'm tuned to an analog station?

When I unplug the digital coax cable from my TV and AVR, the receiver does what it should and "auto" switches to the analog signal. Is there some sort of "phantom/silent" digital signal that is being sent from the coax digital that would prevent my receiver from auto switching to the analog?

Thanks for the help.

It's been mentioned that a digital 'mute' is sent out when you are tuned to an analog channel. Unless Mits would upgrade the firmware (if possible) to simply disable the digital output (when tuned to analog), we're stuck with this problem. I know friends who have cable boxes that do the same thing.

Can someone shine any light on the best way to calibrate my 52725? I've had it for about a week now and have been looking at a number of ways to calibrate it (most notably the calibration DVD) but noticed that my flesh tones and greens are really yellow. I find it frustrating and am loking for a a way to see what other users have done to achieve a great picture.

should you have Perfect color auto on?

should you have the settings for Brightness, contrast, tint, sharpness, etc.. all set to a specific number other than the 31 that it comes with?

should you go into manual adjust on the set up menu and adjust the individual 6 colors to a specific setting?

I could really use help here. as I know I'm close to getting the desired picture, but can't seem to figure out how.

Please help! ;)

Thanks,

david

Originally posted by dojo_s4
Can someone shine any light on the best way to calibrate my 52725? I've had it for about a week now and have been looking at a number of ways to calibrate it (most notably the calibration DVD) but noticed that my flesh tones and greens are really yellow. I find it frustrating and am loking for a a way to see what other users have done to achieve a great picture.

Please help! ;)

Thanks,

david
I beleive I got these settings from one of the mitsu threads here. Seems to work well. Gets rid of the green tint and the green shadows in sd
Try the following perfect color settings:
Magenta 53
Red 43
Yellow 43
Green 35
Cayan 31
Blue 44

those settings in combination with these video settings worked really well for me. maybe you have your color temp set to high?

Sharpness - 0
Color - 31
Tint - 31
Brightness - 45
Contrast - 41
DefinEdge Off
Video Noise - Reduction
Color Temperature - Low

Can someone shine any light on the best way to calibrate my 52725? I've had it for about a week now and have been looking at a number of ways to calibrate it (most notably the calibration DVD) but noticed that my flesh tones and greens are really yellow. I find it frustrating and am loking for a a way to see what other users have done to achieve a great picture.

WHich DVD calibration DVD are you using - DVE, Avia or one of the (so I understand) wildly less accurate THX screens that come on some DVDs? I used DVE with good results although I have not adjusted the 6 individual colors yet and as a result the green is not quite accurate. In my case the setting used for the DVD input (Monlink - HDMI) did NOT work well for the SD cable TV input and I had to adjust those by gut feel.

I am having a problem where my 52725 won't power on when I use the remote, or even touching the power button on the tv. You can hear the fan running. If I unplug the tv from the wall, and then plug it back in the tv will power up by either the remote, or the power button as it is suppose to.Has anyone had this problem as well? Any ideas what the problem might be? From time to time I have got the message at the bottom of the screen when I first turn the tv on, asking if I just changed the bulb.Mitsibushi told me to clean the filter. This after only having the set in my home for two weeks.

Originally posted by pmorris1
I am having a problem where my 52725 won't power on when I use the remote, or even touching the power button on the tv. You can hear the fan running. If I unplug the tv from the wall, and then plug it back in the tv will power up by either the remote, or the power button as it is suppose to.Has anyone had this problem as well? Any ideas what the problem might be? From time to time I have got the message at the bottom of the screen when I first turn the tv on, asking if I just changed the bulb.Mitsibushi told me to clean the filter. This after only having the set in my home for two weeks.

Anytime you disconnect power from the Mits you will get the lamp question...it is just for resetting the lamp service hours tracking. As for your power up issue, I would either get it swapped out or get a tech sent out. And while I don't know why cleaning the filter would help that, you shouldn't have to be doing that within two weeks of purchase, regardless...


-Randy

Originally posted by pmorris1
I am having a problem where my 52725 won't power on when I use the remote, or even touching the power button on the tv. You can hear the fan running. If I unplug the tv from the wall, and then plug it back in the tv will power up by either the remote, or the power button as it is suppose to.Has anyone had this problem as well? Any ideas what the problem might be? From time to time I have got the message at the bottom of the screen when I first turn the tv on, asking if I just changed the bulb.Mitsibushi told me to clean the filter. This after only having the set in my home for two weeks.

Sounds like it could be the reset problem. Try using the reset button next time instead of unplugging it. If this does the trick it could just need a firmware upgrade depending on which version you have. Hope this helps.

Thanks for your help. I just got off the phone from talking with Mitsubishi, and they advised me to have a service call on the tv. I ask about the firmware upgrade, and they won't send it to me because I have the 4.3 now, and the new firmware is only to correct the problems with the cable card. I ask them for a replacement tv, and they told me they couldn't approve that. I checked with the dealer and they said I have had the tv for 33 days, so they couldn't help me. I will try the reset next time to see if that might be the problem. thanks, phil

Originally posted by pmorris1
Thanks for your help. I just got off the phone from talking with Mitsubishi, and they advised me to have a service call on the tv. I ask about the firmware upgrade, and they won't send it to me because I have the 4.3 now, and the new firmware is only to correct the problems with the cable card. I ask them for a replacement tv, and they told me they couldn't approve that. I checked with the dealer and they said I have had the tv for 33 days, so they couldn't help me. I will try the reset next time to see if that might be the problem. thanks, phil

If you talk to Mits again, just say that your TV won't turn on and you need to hit reset to make it work again rather than asking for a firmware upgrade. Others here have noted that they will respond with firmware upgrades to those who have a specific problem (reset problem, cable card problem, or digital stations problem) rather than those who just ask for an upgrade. Not sure if that's true, but it's worth a try. Try the reset first though to make sure that's the problem. Otherwise, even if you can't return the set it's still under warranty and not turning on with remote or power switch is definitely a defect!

pmorris1:
I had a similar problem. I could not power on my 52525 using the remote unless I did a hard reset (unplug the power) of the set. Using the reset button corrected the problem occasionally, but not always. I finally determined the problem was caused by a bad CableCARD. Apparently the CC would try to update itself when the set was powered off and when it couldn't, it would hang the Mits processor. Only a reset (reload the firmware) would clear the condition. I pulled the CC and the set worked fine. The CC finally died and once it was replaced, the Mits functioned properly.

Hope this helps....JL

Originally posted by pmorris1
Thanks for your help. I just got off the phone from talking with Mitsubishi, and they advised me to have a service call on the tv. I ask about the firmware upgrade, and they won't send it to me because I have the 4.3 now, and the new firmware is only to correct the problems with the cable card. . .

Don't believe what Mits tells you about the 4.04 firmware, or any firmware for that matter. They refused to help me with a NetCommand problem until after they sent me the 4.04 firware to reinstall, claiming that it solves all NetCommand issues. I said "reinstall", because before that they sent me the 4.04 firmware to fix my audio-sync problems.

To get real help, you need to call a senior tech at the 949 number. Even then, you have to hope to get lucky with someone good. I have had people at the 949 number chew me out for asking questions. When I ask for a supervisor, they are also in a bad mood and come after me! They must be getting a lot of calls about the dlp's.

I don't have a cable card installed. I am using comcast cable. I did call customer relations this morning, and ask to speak with a senior person. I insisted that they replace my tv. The man ask me if I would let him send me out the new firmware to try an correct my problem. I told him what the tec people had said about that only fixing the cable card problems. He informed me that differant customers that he had spoken with that had my problem installed the firmware upgrade, and it corrected the problem. So he is sending the flash card out to me today. I should have it by tomorrow he said. I hope this will fix my problem. I really love my 52725. I really don't want to exchange it for another, and end up with maybe something worse. I will keep you informed as to weather the updated firmware corrects my problem. Thanks everyone for your help. Phil

If they are offering the 4.04 firmware, there is no reason not to try that first. If it corrects the proble, fine. If not, you've proven that a tech needs to be dispatched. When the CC was first installed in July 2004 I had to reset the Mits a lot. I ended up connecting it to a power strip and when it needed resetting, I would just flip the on/off switch on the power strip. Saves a lot of wear & tear on the Mits power cord.

Good luck....JL

I am picking up a 52725 this weekend. I am also ordering a new Salamander Design stand for it. The triple 20 seems kind of low and doesn't have as much storage as the triple 30. Would 30" inches be too high a stand for this TV? I know the TV midpoint would be about 5 or 6 inches above my eyes with the 30". Is that a problem with DLP's? One last question- anybody have the salamander furniture with the Mitsubishi set and if so how does it look? Thanks.

Originally posted by gtcharlie
I am picking up a 52725 this weekend. I am also ordering a new Salamander Design stand for it. The triple 20 seems kind of low and doesn't have as much storage as the triple 30. Would 30" inches be too high a stand for this TV? I know the TV midpoint would be about 5 or 6 inches above my eyes with the 30". Is that a problem with DLP's? One last question- anybody have the salamander furniture with the Mitsubishi set and if so how does it look? Thanks.

Unless you are going to watch TV standing up, a 30" stand is much too high. Let's do the math: 30" stand + 21" to the middle of the WD-52X25 screen (measured from the base bottom to screen center) means the center of the screen will be 51" from the floor. If you are sititng, you will be looking up at the screen. DLP displays look best when viewed at eye level so IMHO, you need a stand that can put the set at that level. My stand is 15" high and the center of the screen is 37" from the floor. When sitting, I am viewing the screen at eye level.

Hope this helps....JL

I have a question about hooking up my laptop to the 62725. I diligently followed the instructions from the manual, and plugged the laptop into the VGA input in the back, adjusted the format to display correctly .......but all I get is the background from my laptop screen ...? No icons or the rest of my desktop. Upon opening any programs I find they are not displayed either!
Is there something I am overlooking setting this up?:confused:

Originally posted by radtek
I have a question about hooking up my laptop to the 62725. I diligently followed the instructions from the manual, and plugged the laptop into the VGA input in the back, adjusted the format to display correctly .......but all I get is the background from my laptop screen ...? No icons or the rest of my desktop. Upon opening any programs I find they are not displayed either!
Is there something I am overlooking setting this up?:confused:

It sounds to me like your TV is acting as a second monitor, with your windows desktop being EXTENDED onto your TV screen. Is the laptop display still on when you get the above described results? If so, try dragging a window off the right hand side of the screen and see if it shows up on the TV display. If so, this is your problem.

To fix it, you will probably have to use the "function" switch on the laptop in combination with another key to toggle through the video modes. Otherwise, check the display properties, settings tab, and look for a checkbox where it says "Extend my desktop onto this monitor". You may also have to select the "icons" that represent monitor 1 and 2. You probably want monitor "2" to have that box unchecked. Video drivers can be different here, so be careful!

Jeff

Jeff thanks for the info. The Mits is set as a second monitor and I have checked the box to extend my Windows desk top onto this computer. Should this be unchecked? I have been able to switch the icons to monitor2 (Mits) but then found the cursor stayed on the laptop so thats not a solution. I will try and see, like you said, to see if I can drag a window onto the Mits.

Originally posted by radtek
Jeff thanks for the info. The Mits is set as a second monitor and I have checked the box to extend my Windows desk top onto this computer. Should this be unchecked? I have been able to switch the icons to monitor2 (Mits) but then found the cursor stayed on the laptop so thats not a solution. I will try and see, like you said, to see if I can drag a window onto the Mits.

You actually want it unchecked when you pick monitor 2, and you want #2 to be the primary monitor. BUT THIS CAN BE RISKY, since if something doesn't work right, you may not be able to see the display to change it back.

I would try first to hook up the VGA to the TV, and figure out how on your laptop to toggle between the LCD screen and the external monitor. On my laptop, it is done by holding down the "Fn" key (it had "Fn" in purple text on it) in combination with the F4 key. Just look for the purple printing on the other keys and find one that looks like side by side monitors. Repeatedly holding down the Fn key and this toggle key will switch between the LCD and the external monitor (and in some computers it will show both at the same time under one of the toggle conditions).

Obviously the key combinations are different on some computers, so yours may be different. And also, please note that I don't have my laptop hooked to Mits -- I have a desktop computer hooked to the TV :D

Jeff

You actually want it unchecked when you pick monitor 2, and you want #2 to be the primary monitor. BUT THIS CAN BE RISKY, since if something doesn't work right, you may not be able to see the display to change it back.

I would try first to hook up the VGA to the TV, and figure out how on your laptop to toggle between the LCD screen and the external monitor. On my laptop, it is done by holding down the "Fn" key (it had "Fn" in purple text on it) in combination with the F4 key. Just look for the purple printing on the other keys and find one that looks like side by side monitors. Repeatedly holding down the Fn key and this toggle key will switch between the LCD and the external monitor (and in some computers it will show both at the same time under one of the toggle conditions).

Obviously the key combinations are different on some computers, so yours may be different. And also, please note that I don't have my laptop hooked to Mits -- I have a desktop computer hooked to the TV

Jeff

Jeff, Hey my man that works great! I can toggle over to the Mits. or have them both displayed at the same time on the computer and Mits. Thanks again for saving me untold time and hair pulling.
Radtek;)

Originally posted by radtek
You actually want it unchecked when you pick monitor 2, and you want #2 to be the primary monitor. BUT THIS CAN BE RISKY, since if something doesn't work right, you may not be able to see the display to change it back.

I would try first to hook up the VGA to the TV, and figure out how on your laptop to toggle between the LCD screen and the external monitor. On my laptop, it is done by holding down the "Fn" key (it had "Fn" in purple text on it) in combination with the F4 key. Just look for the purple printing on the other keys and find one that looks like side by side monitors. Repeatedly holding down the Fn key and this toggle key will switch between the LCD and the external monitor (and in some computers it will show both at the same time under one of the toggle conditions).

Obviously the key combinations are different on some computers, so yours may be different. And also, please note that I don't have my laptop hooked to Mits -- I have a desktop computer hooked to the TV

Jeff

Jeff, Hey my man that works great! I can toggle over to the Mits. or have them both displayed at the same time on the computer and Mits. Thanks again for saving me untold time and hair pulling.
Radtek;)

Glad I could help :D

I just joined this forum today, although I have been reading posts for several weeks. First, I wanted to thank everyone for their posts. The information has been excellent and was extremely helpful to me in making my purchase decision.

I have owned a 62725 for about two weeks and overall, I have been extremely happy with the purchase. I did have the tilt problem, but it was quickly corrected by a Mits authorized technician.

The picture, especially in HD, is just amazing. Last night I tried the video setting posted by dwarren2 in post #2073. While I made some slight adjustments to the sharpness setting, the posted settings made a significant improvement to the picture.

Last weekend, I set up Netcommand, and overall it has worked well. Two minor issues. The remote will not power up or power down the Dish 811 and my Toshiba VCR. This weekend, I will delete these items from Netcommand and re-add them using the "learn" feature.

The other problem is that when I switch to antenna, the audio settings on my Denon 3801 do not change from the prior audio source. I have the digital coax from the Mits going into the Denon, and I have the analog cables going into the VCR-2 input on the Denon. I will go back this weekend and check the Digital in assignments on the Denon (to make sure that VCR-2 is assigned the digital coax). Did I miss a step when I set up the receiver in Netcommand (i.e. not indicating that the Antenna is to use the VCR-2 input on the receiver).

If I am on the wrong track, I would appreciate a reply.

Was there ever a conclusive answer to the digital-analog conversion on the Mits. I am using component cables on my Denon DVD-1910 and am curious as to whether I would notice an improved picture using a DVI-D to HDMI cable.

Thanks

I'm sorry to bug, my question is probably answered in this gigantic thread somewhere, but I thought a quick question might get my answer quicker.

I really love the HD PQ with this set, however, I have a 6 year old denon non progressive dvd player and the PQ is not nearly as good (component cable input).

I'm thinking of trying a "progressive scan" dvd player to see if the PQ improves.

Is there a dvd player that anyone really thinks is good for the XX725 series?

Should I get the best progressive player I can?

Or should I go one step further and get an upscaling player?

Thanks,

RH

Just a note - Dump the Samsung 360 Hd receiver and and go with the new Direrctv Hd H-10 just released at Best Buy -- no flickering and great Guide. Most importantly - the HDMI to HDMI works great with my WD52725. The Samsungs DVI never worked right - poor picture - had to use Component input.

My WD52725 worked great from day one and help from Mitsubishi on setting up Net Command was always responsive. They even sent me the 4.04 software to eliminate the note "did you replace the bulb " message on startup at times. ( I have had set since 9/18/04)

I have noticed from the firmware update that it copies some test patterns to the tv's memory.

Does anyone know how to access the internal test patterns?

Does anyone know if I can use the smart media card to flash the firmware?

( dowload the most recent firmware but don't have a compact flash card reader/writer so I am wondering if I can copy the software to a smart media card and flash it.)

Thanks.

I'm completely new to the world of OTA reception. I know this model has an ATSC tuner, so I was under the impression I could just jack the antenna straight into the ANT-1 input and watch OTA HD.

So far, though, I haven't been able to pick up any digital channels. For instance, I can pick up standard Fox on 29. The DTV broadcast is listed as 29.1, but when I input 29-1, I don't get anything but a grey screen.

Is there anything in particular that I need to do to pick up OTA DTV on this set?

Thanks in advance for any advice.

Derailed, you are going to be amazed (if you're like me) at the ability of this set to OTA. The problem you're having is that you're not using the actual UHF or VHF channel, 29.1 is not really the channel that your HD is being broadcast on. The MITs will rename the channel to 29.1 once you find it and "memorize" it.

Here's my recommendation, go to www.titantv.com, register, type in your zip code and copy down or print out the list of HD stations in your area.

What you will find, is that the HD stations will be on channels like 26, 35, 41. You can then go to those channels directly and you should see HD (assuming HD is being broadcast).

Another thing you can do is to go to "setup" and select the antenna. Your set will then scan all the antenna signals received and set them up for you to find.

I hope this helps.

RH

Derailed, one last thing, if you're like me, you may find some stations will need the antenna position to be slightly tweaked in order to pick up all the stations. Believe it or not, I use a simple 6' piece of coax as my antenna and I get all the local HD signals? I imagine that San Antonio should have a pretty clear "line of sight" to its HD transmitters much like Albuquerque. (The big city folks have tall buildings and such which can interfere.)

Good luck.

RH

Thanks a lot corrales, I was not at all aware of this fact!

This should definitely help me out.

jdowney, you say the power buttons aren't working... most devices have power toggle buttons so the TV will not automatically turn them on and off for you. You turn them on an off by bringing up the device menu, highlighting the device you want to turn on and then hitting the power button.

On the Antenna... during the AVR netcommand setup make sure you correctly learn the command to switch the reciever to VCR2 and then make sure you specify that audio 2 output from the TV is going to VCR2 input on the reciever (I think this is the last step of the AVR setup process in Netcommand).

How do I check the signal strength of the over the air signal? I looked around a little bit but haven't seen anything. I'm getting some of my channels but I should be getting more.

Originally posted by MojoJuice
I looked around a little bit but haven't seen anything

Must not have looked too hard... :)

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=4612951#post4612951

I said I looked around a bit, certainly not 30 pages back.:) Thanks!

I'm one of the ones seriously bothered by rainbows and I have a question for those who don't - where is your contrast set and do you use Definedge? I used DVE to set up my TV and left the contrast around 38, with the brightness set properly using the PLUGE.

Yesterday I turned the contrast down to 22 or so and turned up the brightness to compensate, as far as I could without washing out the picture. While the resulting picture is darker than I would like the rainbows are much improved. The Definedge does not seem to matter, at least for the short time I tried plaything with it.

Has anyone else tried any experimentation with this? I'm curious if those who see the rainbows tend to have higher contrast settings than those who don't.

I haven't used my DVE yet but the first thing I did was set the contrast down to 28 or 29. I don't see rainbows but then I have only used my tv for a few hours.

Originally posted by August West
I'm one of the ones seriously bothered by rainbows and I have a question for those who don't - where is your contrast set and do you use Definedge? I used DVE to set up my TV and left the contrast around 38, with the brightness set properly using the PLUGE.

Yesterday I turned the contrast down to 22 or so and turned up the brightness to compensate, as far as I could without washing out the picture. While the resulting picture is darker than I would like the rainbows are much improved. The Definedge does not seem to matter, at least for the short time I tried plaything with it.

Has anyone else tried any experimentation with this? I'm curious if those who see the rainbows tend to have higher contrast settings than those who don't.

I ended up using some of the setting posted previously (with a bit of tweaking with DVE). I had trouble with the brightness or contrast - I can't recall which one - it was the second one that you would do within DVE.

I used to see the rainbows all the time, but just didn't pay much attention to them. I have noticed that lately, I seem to see them less often or (more likely), I have just gotten used to them.

It is truly amazing how differently we all use our eyes to see. You would think that this rainbow thing would be all of us or none of us and that is far from the case.

I tried Apocalypse Now last night as that is one of the DVDs' that has some scenes considered problematic if you can see the rainbows and I have viewed some black and white DVDs' as well. I have not seen them.

I did catch a glimpse one time when the NY Jets were still in the playoffs or it was last regular season game. I caught them in the twin white stripes that run down the Jets green uniform pants leg as one of the D-linemen just came out of his three point stance. I caught it just for an instant and just in that game and that was it.

What amazes me is that the spectrum runs from "sees them constantly" to "not at all" to my "just once".

Does anyone know what the remote's device menu buttone does? Mine does nothing. I found that reading the manual doesn't make it work.

Originally posted by Patrick Collins
Does anyone know what the remote's device menu buttone does? Mine does nothing. I found that reading the manual doesn't make it work.

If you set up NetCommand, I believe you'll find out how it is used. I am pretty sure that is where you access the different devices to control, once they have been set up. I still haven't taken the time to set NC up, so I can't say for certain, though...

-Randy

I have NetCommand set up, and the Device Menu button on my remote doesn't seem to do anything either. I have to toggle the different inputs using the Device <up/down> button on the remote.

Originally posted by IFLYSWA
If you set up NetCommand, I believe you'll find out how it is used. I am pretty sure that is where you access the different devices to control, once they have been set up. I still haven't taken the time to set NC up, so I can't say for certain, though...

-Randy

I think I was a little off here...it is actually supposed to be used to get the device's menu once you have it selected in NetCommand...here's a blurb from pg. 52 of the manual. (http://www.mitsubishi-tv.com/common/getfile.asp?uuid={C1FA342A-C6BF-4F27-9D2B-12C2205C0C92}) (some arrows didn't quite take to the cut and paste):

Pressing the remote control’s DEVICE MENU button displays the menu for the current device source.

IR Controlled Devices

For a NetCommand compatible traditional IR controlled device, pressing DEVICE MENU once or twice will display the menu for that device. While the menu for the device is displayed, press ADJUST , , or and ENTER to navigate the screen. For some NetCommand traditional devices you will also be able to use the number buttons and other additional buttons on the TV remote.

-Randy

Originally posted by IFLYSWA
I think I was a little off here...it is actually supposed to be used to get the device's menu once you have it selected in NetCommand...here's a blurb from pg. 52 of the manual. (http://www.mitsubishi-tv.com/common/getfile.asp?uuid={C1FA342A-C6BF-4F27-9D2B-12C2205C0C92}) (some arrows didn't quite take to the cut and paste):

Pressing the remote control’s DEVICE MENU button displays the menu for the current device source.

IR Controlled Devices

For a NetCommand compatible traditional IR controlled device, pressing DEVICE MENU once or twice will display the menu for that device. While the menu for the device is displayed, press ADJUST , , or and ENTER to navigate the screen. For some NetCommand traditional devices you will also be able to use the number buttons and other additional buttons on the TV remote.

-Randy

It works for me. For example, when my remote is set to the DVD, pressing the DEVICE MENU button brings up the main menu for the DVD. Not all devices have menus, of course.

Re: are upscaling dvd players worth it for us?

quote:
Originally posted by cmr15
Since I've read in this forum that our Mits dlp's convert to analog via the hdmi port, Is it true that a good progressive scan player via component will be as good or possibly better than using an upscaling player through the hdmi port??


The reason I ask is that I'm considering the denon 3910 dvd player but now the 2900 can be had for almost half the price. If the 3910 doesn't really offer improved video throught the Mits, then getting the 2900 seems to make sense.


BTW,
If you own the 2900, are you satisfied with it's redbook cd performance?

Thanks
Craig


So how was this resolved? I am having image issues with my 3910 and my 62725. Dark scenes look awful, no matter how the settings in the tv or player is. Someone suggested the problem may be the HDMI, because it goes from digital to analog back to digital. Will the image look better or just as good as the 720p HDMI if I just hook up the player with component?

Originally posted by DCinDC
It works for me. For example, when my remote is set to the DVD, pressing the DEVICE MENU button brings up the main menu for the DVD. Not all devices have menus, of course.

Also works fine for me. Remember you have to set up Netcommand, some devices don't have their own menu, and some if not all require you to hit the DVICE MENU button twice.

Two things to point out:

Like DCinDC said, if you have your remote setup as a universal remote (using the top slider switch), the Device Menu will activate that command for whichever pre-set manufacturer code you selected (from that large list of 3 digit numbers)

However, if you do setup net command, it's like having the TV change that top-slider switch for you. So whatever device you are viewing, the TV automatically brings up that particular device menu. For instance, a cable box, or a DVD player, TiVo.

For net commmand, you can learn that "Menu" button to be something else. Hell, you can even make it the channel 4 button. I cheated and learned the "guide" button with Mits' NetCommand to be my DVD players "closed captions". This way, I can toggle them on and off quick and simple.

I tried Apocalypse Now last night as that is one of the DVDs' that has some scenes considered problematic if you can see the rainbows and I have viewed some black and white DVDs' as well. I have not seen them.

I have watched Apocalypse Now recently and the worst sequence is the beach party scene at night right before the helicopter attack on the village. With my contrast up around 38 I see rainbows almost literally constantly through that scene, making it unwatchable. With my contrast at 22 I only see a few rainbows during that sequence. Try it again with a higher contrast perhaps (assuming you're trying to see the rainbows)

So I went to Ultimate where I got all my gear. We grabbed a HDMI panasonic because the Denon 3910 was hooked up to a projector. Put on Master and Commander, and even with the terrible glare on the screen from the lights in the store, the employee and I were shocked. The artifacts i have been seeing with my Denon with HDMI was all over the place with the panasonic. Put the component on, only interlaced signal because the player didnt have progressive hooked on, and no artifacts at all, picture was actually better. I will try this with my 3910. Should have the same results and I will be happy. But this is weird for Mitsbushi to have the HDMI signal crappy like this.

Originally posted by maxvengeance111
So I went to Ultimate where I got all my gear. We grabbed a HDMI panasonic because the Denon 3910 was hooked up to a projector. Put on Master and Commander, and even with the terrible glare on the screen from the lights in the store, the employee and I were shocked. The artifacts i have been seeing with my Denon with HDMI was all over the place with the panasonic. Put the component on, only interlaced signal because the player didnt have progressive hooked on, and no artifacts at all, picture was actually better. I will try this with my 3910. Should have the same results and I will be happy. But this is weird for Mitsbushi to have the HDMI signal crappy like this.

You should check in the DVD section of this forum. I believe the Denon 3910 has the macroblocking problem that might be what you're describing. If so, it has more to do with how your DVD player is upconverting the signal than with the HDMI.

I find that the Mits upconverter does a great job. I have an old Sony DVD player with progressive scan and component output. I was going to buy a new DVD player when I got the Mits, but the picture is so good as is that I'll stick with what I've got and get a good quality DVD player that doesn't upconvert when my current player dies.

August West: I'm not sure what started your question, but a good scene for me and Rainbows is "Meet Joe Black - Chapter 4" This is a dinner scene where the seated diners are wearing black suits and such and there are very white candles in the middle of the table. I see Rainbows galore (my wife sees none) everytime my eyes follow the conversation and pass through the candles.

MaxVengence: I've been trying to get anyone to respond to my questions about DVD performance and this 62725. My DVD PQ is OK at best. I have an old Denon 1800 and I'm glad I didn't go spend the bucks on the 3910 like I was considering....

I don't know what to do.....D-ILA, SONY????

Actually I have no desire to see rainbows if I do not have to. I have seen them once as indicated in my post. Since the brightness and contrast setting are where I like them if that helps keep RBE at bay, all the better.

I am almost surprised how many of us do not see them considering how disturbing they are for those that do see them.

As indicated earlier it must be somehow tied to the way we each individually use our eyes to see. Amazing is it not?

I never see rainbows. The PQ with the 3910 without using HDMI or DVI looks great. I only had a little time to mess with it, but it looks good so far, i will calibrate it better tonight. But all that crappy image stuff is gone now.

I've been trying to get anyone to respond to my questions about DVD performance and this 62725. My DVD PQ is OK at best. I have an old Denon 1800 and I'm glad I didn't go spend the bucks on the 3910 like I was considering....

I had an old Toshiba S-2109 (I believe it was) and was unhappy with the picture on the 52725. Shortly after deciding this I got a Panasonic S97 and have been quite pleased. I don't see any of the pink or macroblocking that others have mentioned - without proof I suspect some displays must be better than others in this respect. Using HDMI to HDMI I think the picture is quite good. I have some audio popping problems that I think are with the 52725 and not the S97 but I am still working on this.

Originally posted by BigAl
2left,

When you add a recorder to netcommand you have to add it as a "VCR" device type and later in the VCR device setup screens there is an option to specify if the VCR is going to be used as a recording device (page 45 of the manual). If you don't see this screen then Netcommand didn't recognize the device as a recorder.

Big Al - a much belated "thanks." After going over this issue numerous times with Mits and having a service call, I found and re-read your post. I added my DVD-Recorder as a "VCR", and can now record using NetCommand.

Interesting that Mits tech support, including senoir tech support at the 949 number, could not or would not answer my questions. They were the ones that insisted a service technician come out and look at the unit. (Of course, the service tech had no idea how to set up my equipment with NetCommand - he only services the hardware.)

Glad to hear that it helped. They need to make a few updates to Netcommand... adding DVD recorders as a device option is one update.

I had a 52725 delivered this Monday. So far, so good. I couple of questions for the experts:

1. I have Adelphia cable and I can either go with the HD STB (SA3250 I believe) or a Cablecard. Is there a significant PQ advantage to go with the Cablecard over the HD STB to warrent losing some of the 2-way STB features? I have to wait until Feb. 11 to get a Cablecard but I may try and get a HD STB out of the local office this weekend.

2. SD picture quality has been better than expected so far. Currently I have the main cable split into 2. One goes to a digital STB and then to Ant 2. The other goes straight into Ant 1. I think the picture is slightly better without the STB. Any recommendations on optimizing the SD PQ on these units (connections, settings, etc.)

3. Software version is 4.03. Any reasons to get an update before the Cablecard installation?

Any input is appreciated. Thanks.

CTracer

<<3. Software version is 4.03. Any reasons to get an update before the Cablecard installation?>>

I needed the upgrade to get mine to work with the CableCard here in L.A.

How does one get a firmware upgrade?

Call Mits with the phone number in your manual

Last week I was telling about sometimes my set would not turn on , and I had to unplug the power plug from the wall, and plug it back in. I also would get the lamp message from time to time.After I got no help from the Mitsibushi tec people, I called customer relations, and demanded they replace my 32 day old set.They ask me if I would try the 4.04 firmware upgrade first. I agreed, and I had the upgrade UPS the very next day. I did the install, and with over a week now, I have had no problems with the power, or the lamp message. Knock on wood. They send you a return envelope with prepay label.You just put the card in the envelope, and drop it off at the ups, or give it to any ups driver. I was surprised today when I got a call from the man I talked with at customer relations asking if the upgrade solved my problem. I thought that was a nice touch, cumming from a large company like Mitsibushi. Keep your fingers crossed for me that my problems are solved. I did not notic any other changes to my set, good or bad, for those that were wondering. phil

Originally posted by CTracer
I had a 52725 delivered this Monday. So far, so good. I couple of questions for the experts:

1. I have Adelphia cable and I can either go with the HD STB (SA3250 I believe) or a Cablecard. Is there a significant PQ advantage to go with the Cablecard over the HD STB to warrent losing some of the 2-way STB features? I have to wait until Feb. 11 to get a Cablecard but I may try and get a HD STB out of the local office this weekend.

2. SD picture quality has been better than expected so far. Currently I have the main cable split into 2. One goes to a digital STB and then to Ant 2. The other goes straight into Ant 1. I think the picture is slightly better without the STB. Any recommendations on optimizing the SD PQ on these units (connections, settings, etc.)

3. Software version is 4.03. Any reasons to get an update before the Cablecard installation?

Any input is appreciated. Thanks.

CTracer

I use Adelphia CableCard - I believe using the CableCard just uses the Mits internal tuner. Since you already have a split with the cable going into Ant 1, I don't think the CableCard changes anything as far as PQ. Your PQ comparison now should be valid.

Does Adelphia have the Moxi DVR in your area? I'm scheduled for an install next week. My understanding is that the DVR is connected via component inputs. I'll be interested to see how the picture compares to the direct cable/CableCard connection in Ant 1.

Originally posted by CTracer
I had a 52725 delivered this Monday. So far, so good. I couple of questions for the experts:

1. I have Adelphia cable and I can either go with the HD STB (SA3250 I believe) or a Cablecard. Is there a significant PQ advantage to go with the Cablecard over the HD STB to warrent losing some of the 2-way STB features? I have to wait until Feb. 11 to get a Cablecard but I may try and get a HD STB out of the local office this weekend.

2. SD picture quality has been better than expected so far. Currently I have the main cable split into 2. One goes to a digital STB and then to Ant 2. The other goes straight into Ant 1. I think the picture is slightly better without the STB. Any recommendations on optimizing the SD PQ on these units (connections, settings, etc.)

Any input is appreciated. Thanks.

CTracer
CTracer, I'm probably one of the lesser-qualified people to be responding because I don't have the 725 or Adelphia cable. I have the 825 (which is basically the 725 with a PVR) and Comcast cable. The reason I'm responding is that I use *both* a cable card and the STB. Comcast doesn't charge me any extra for the card, since I already have the box, so it wasn't a big deal. Here are some of my thoughts and observations.

1. My STB is a dual-tuner DVR, so I can record two programs (via the box) while watching a third via the cable-card. To me, this was an advantage of having both the card and the box.

2. Using the component-out of my cable box, I can't discern much difference in HD pix quality between that and the HD Pix from the cable card. Interestingly, a similar discussion is going on in the "825 Help" thread. Someone has suggested that the pix, especially SD, are better through the card than they are through the box. I wrote back saying I hadn't paid much attention to the SD differences, because I watch mostly HD. But I'm going to try a comparision to see if SD *is* really better through the card.

3. I considered the card alone, but with the Comcast STB, I get a full TV-Guide. The channel guide in the 525/725/825 is, in my mind, somewhat useless. (Eventually, Mits is supposed to offer a TV Guide upgrade for the 825, but it hasn't shown up yet, so you're not missing anything.) I don't know what Adelphia offers guide-wise, but if you're the type that likes more advanced guide functionality, you're only going to get it through the box.

Just my thoughts. Good Luck.

- Tom

Thanks for the replys. I picked up a SA3250 HD STB this morning and I hooked it up via component connections. Based on a quick scan the SD PQ seemed to be better than through the coax connection. I have not had a chance to view HD content yet (limited channels here in CT). The SA 3250 has DVI output but it is not enabled. There are also 2 firewire connections but I'm not sure they will be any better than the component connection. SA is recommending the component connections in their instructions. I'm not aware of a HD box with a DVR being available in this area yet. I'll keep you posted.

Ct Racer

My parents just took delivery of their 725 this afternoon, and the Cox cable guy showed up a couple of hours later to install the new cable card.

I was scared to death after reading this thread but we're very happy to say that we see NO rainbows, no bright spots, and it's very quiet overall. Best of all NO major glare problems..even with three lamps on in various areas in the room.

I was also scared that this was the FIRST install of a card this guy has ever done, and there were some nervous moments listening to him chatting with the main office (oh and he got two back to back calls from his bitchy girlfriend) but I'm happy to report that we are getting all the HD channels now and even the non HD stuff looks amazing!

Now I want one!!

G.

Well, I picked up a WD52525 today. Best Buy had a killer deal on the TV today, [msrp - a freaking ton]. I was going to price match it at Tweeter, since the guy there spent about an hour with us yesterday. When he showed us the detail you got with the Mitsu compared to the Samsung 74 series, I wanted the Mitsu. I wanted to get the TV at Tweeter, but they aren't carrying it anymore. And I couldn't justify the extra price of the 725, which they do still carry. So I went to Best Buy to get it. Delivery is on Wednesday. I'll be watching for bright spots. Thanks for this thread, guys.

I also got the rebate for the trim kit from Best Buy. So they are still offering it, apparently.

So the display is awesome. The staggering array of inputs is amazing. I just hope that the Mitsu firmware doesn't bite me in the ***. :)

Edit: got back to this post, finally http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=4682599#post4682599 and realized that I made a mistake typing in the price I got for the TV.

If you want to know, go to BestBuy.com . Let's just say that it is a good time to buy it. :)

Originally posted by Shape
Well, I picked up a WD52525 today. Best Buy had a killer deal on the TV today, $2700. ..... So the display is awesome. The staggering array of inputs is amazing. I just hope that the Mitsu firmware doesn't bite me in the ***. :)
Welcome to the WDXXX25 family, Shape! I don't think you'll be sorry. As with any new model, there are bugs that we're all hoping Mits will fix in the near future. Even so, the out-of-the-box release isn't so bad. I agree with you, Mits hasn't skimped on the inputs. Enjoy!

- Tom

Do any of you guys know how to access the service menu?

I need to slightly adjust the H-POS of the image. It was altered a little too much during a service call I had a few days ago.

Thanks for any help.

tvmenu-2-4-5-7

use rew ff to go back and forth and "audio" and "video" buttons to cycle through options then if you wan to save your changes hit the "ent" button

"home" will take you all the way back out

Thanks Wazzey, I appreciate it.

For all those still looking for a DVD player for the Mitsubishi I can not recommend the Zenith 318 highly enough if you can still find a place that has one to sell. Set it to upscale and the difference is dramatic. Everybody that saw the Mits before I got the Zenith thought the difference was huge. Make sure you use component cables.

After two months I now have the "smudge" problem. Two fingerprint like blotches. Is there any definitive answer as to cause or solution? I searched in this forum and found a few references but none that really answered the question. Thanks in advance.

Originally posted by asrermd
After two months I now have the "smudge" problem. Two fingerprint like blotches. Is there any definitive answer as to cause or solution? I searched in this forum and found a few references but none that really answered the question. Thanks in advance.

Other posts have linked this to dust or something else (plastic, foam, etc.) on the mirror. Cleaning appears to take care of this problem.

Hope that's it for you too. Seems like an easy fix.

Asrermd,
I too have developed Smudges and have a service dude coming out next week to see whats up. Hopefully it will just need a little house cleaning inside. Will post the results after the look see.:)

>>>Originally posted by Shape
Well, I picked up a WD52525 today. Best Buy had a killer deal on the TV today, $2700. ..... So the display is awesome. The staggering array of inputs is amazing. I just hope that the Mitsu firmware doesn't bite me in the ***. <<<<

OK, I am in my 30 day window, so I have to ask. Was that price a typo? Is it really $2,700 or did you mean $3,700? I just checked BB.com and they are listing it on sale at $3,700. If you can reply or PM I would appreciate, because if there is a deal like that out there right now that could mean HUGE savings on my price match!

That was what I paid for the 52" version. I think you are looking at the 62" version, though. I bought the 52" version.

Shape, you're right! My error. Thought for a second I might be looking at a big price match!

Also, if I'm on thin ice here with regards to talking about pricing someone let me know and I can go back and edit out cost info.

Thanks.

Originally posted by radtek
Asrermd,
I too have developed Smudges and have a service dude coming out next week to see whats up. Hopefully it will just need a little house cleaning inside. Will post the results after the look see.:)

Service guy here and cleaned mirrors....No LUCK. Amazingly he ordered new light engine (under extended warrenty) Hopefully that will fix it and I will not end up with the bright spot!! Let me know hoe your cleaning comes out>

Hey all,

Does anyone know where I can purchase a service manual, or if someone on here has one, can I get someone to fax me a few pages?

The service tech in my area said that Mits Customer Service said there is NO WAY to adjust the tilt/keystoning issues.....I know, as everyone on here knows that is a lie!!!!

So, the service tech asked me to fax the pages of the service manual that show that this problem can be fixed..........so, can anyone help out? If there is a link to downlaod it, I will just do that, otherwise, can someone fax the relevant pages of fixing the keystonining / tilt issues (both mechanical and electronic) to 248-751-6101?

Thanks so much !

I just purchased one of the new Toshiba DVD player/recorders RD-XS52
It came with an HDMI cable. I understand with this connection I get audio and video in the one connection. When I connect this to the HDMI on my 52725 is the audio fed thru my tv back to my receiver for the output to my speakers? I have now an audio connection from the output on my tv, to the input on my surround receiver for the tv sound. Can someone help me to understand the proper connection that I need using the HDMI. Thanks phil

Originally posted by scottmd1us
Hey all,

Does anyone know where I can purchase a service manual, or if someone on here has one, can I get someone to fax me a few pages?

The service tech in my area said that Mits Customer Service said there is NO WAY to adjust the tilt/keystoning issues.....I know, as everyone on here knows that is a lie!!!!

So, the service tech asked me to fax the pages of the service manual that show that this problem can be fixed..........so, can anyone help out? If there is a link to downlaod it, I will just do that, otherwise, can someone fax the relevant pages of fixing the keystonining / tilt issues (both mechanical and electronic) to 248-751-6101?

Thanks so much !

I find it disturbing that a service tech doesn't have a copy of the service manual!

Originally posted by scottmd1us
Hey all,

Does anyone know where I can purchase a service manual, or if someone on here has one, can I get someone to fax me a few pages?

The service tech in my area said that Mits Customer Service said there is NO WAY to adjust the tilt/keystoning issues.....I know, as everyone on here knows that is a lie!!!!

So, the service tech asked me to fax the pages of the service manual that show that this problem can be fixed..........so, can anyone help out? If there is a link to downlaod it, I will just do that, otherwise, can someone fax the relevant pages of fixing the keystonining / tilt issues (both mechanical and electronic) to 248-751-6101?

Thanks so much !

I seem to recall much of the service manual (including how/where to order it) posted here in PDFs somewhere.

That said, it didn't have much detail and I don't think went into how to fix the tilt problem. The best explanation of how to fix the tilt was posted by users here. You might want to print the post and show it to them or just do it yourself.

Originally posted by pmorris1
I just purchased one of the new Toshiba DVD player/recorders RD-XS52
It came with an HDMI cable. I understand with this connection I get audio and video in the one connection. When I connect this to the HDMI on my 52725 is the audio fed thru my tv back to my receiver for the output to my speakers? I have now an audio connection from the output on my tv, to the input on my surround receiver for the tv sound. Can someone help me to understand the proper connection that I need using the HDMI. Thanks phil

If you want digital sound I think you'll have to run a digital out from your DVD to your receiver. I'm pretty sure the digital audio jack on the back of the TV is only for the HDTV tuner and does not act as a pass-through for other digital audio signals.

Hope that's right and that it helps.

Originally posted by DCinDC
If you want digital sound I think you'll have to run a digital out from your DVD to your receiver. I'm pretty sure the digital audio jack on the back of the TV is only for the HDTV tuner and does not act as a pass-through for other digital audio signals.

Hope that's right and that it helps.

On top of that, in its current implementation, HDMI only carries 2 channels of audio, so if you're looking for 5.1/6.1/7.1 you'll have to run your digital audio from your DVD player to your receiver directly anyway.

Originally posted by scottmd1us
The service tech in my area said that Mits Customer Service said there is NO WAY to adjust the tilt/keystoning issues.....I know, as everyone on here knows that is a lie!!!!
I think some have fixed the tilt by torquing the cabinet.

Originally posted by JTAnderson
I think some have fixed the tilt by torquing the cabinet.

Actually, if you look up the tilt thread you'll find that the folks here found a less brutal way to fix the problem by using the adjusting screws. My guess is the service rep referenced above was BSing.

Thank you Lombard for your thoughts. Do you think I would be better off just hooking up my recorder using the componets cable? I just thought with the DVD player having the up conversion, it would give me the best picture quality using the hdmi

Got this from the tilt thread and worked for me. I have counterclockwise tilt at the top.
I grab the top left and right of the TV, I push forward with my left hand and pull back with the right....straightens itout pretty good at the top but does just a little for the bottom. My bottom right is a bit skewed but I don't notice it unless I have the test pattern up although i do notice it a little with windows on the screen.

Hope this helps...Yes I thought it was crazy too when I read it but its not abig deal to do. The top of my tv is now straight. :)

Lombard I found a good article on line at http://news.designtechnica.com/talkback45.html that explains just what you were telling me.

Originally posted by ttownsend
CTracer, I'm probably one of the lesser-qualified people to be responding because I don't have the 725 or Adelphia cable. I have the 825 (which is basically the 725 with a PVR) and Comcast cable. The reason I'm responding is that I use *both* a cable card and the STB. Comcast doesn't charge me any extra for the card, since I already have the box, so it wasn't a big deal.


Did you have to purchase the cable card separately, or did Comcast just give you one? I'm curious as I am about to call Comcast to switch out my single-tuner DVR for a dual, and I like the tv's scaling for watching HD programming live (the cable card would let the tv scale incoming signals rather than having to choose 720p or 1080i via the box's setup menu, right?)

Originally posted by pmorris1
Thank you Lombard for your thoughts. Do you think I would be better off just hooking up my recorder using the componets cable? I just thought with the DVD player having the up conversion, it would give me the best picture quality using the hdmi

Well, beauty's in the eye of the beholder. When I first got my 52725, I picked up a Toshiba upscaling DVD player. I watched it for a while using the HDMI cable, then using component cables. To my eyes, I got a better picture from a 480P signal coming over the component cables. Apparently the TV did a better job of upscaling to 720P than the DVD player did. I returned the Toshiba DVD player and picked up a Sony Progressive Scan player for less than half the cost. I'd recommend you do the same thing (not returning the player, doing a comparison). Decide which picture you prefer. You can still use your DVD player's digital audio out to feed the signal to your receiver, even if you are using HDMI. Just turn off your TV speakers for the HDMI input.

I finally got my WD-52525. This thing has an unbelievable picture out of the box. The greens are a little strong. The picture from my DirecTV Tivo is really good! I'm surprised. The stretch modes are some of the best I have ever seen on a widescreen. Artifacts are obviously more visible on the new TV than on my old 4:3 SD WEGA (sold it 1 minute before the new TV arrived). But that is to be expected. I'm not looking for miracles here. I still have to work through AVIA.

DVDs look awesome, even out of my bargain basement progressive scan DVD player. I'm amazed. The store displays really don't give this TV justice.

Originally posted by Lombard
You can still use your DVD player's digital audio out to feed the signal to your receiver, even if you are using HDMI. Just turn off your TV speakers for the HDMI input.

Are you implying that tv speakers (being on/off) are controllable seperately for each input. My 62725 does not function like this. Or does this only apply to the HDMI input? I couldn't do this for the dvd component input, so I have a macro for " tv speakers 'on' ". Or maybe this can only be done using Netcommand?

Is there a quick way to turn closed captioning on and off? You can turn the digital ones on and off by using mute, but I don't get those through my S-video connection that the Tivo uses. A single button that I can program into my harmony remote would be great.

Does anyone use this tv with a upconverting dvd player through hdmi or anything through hdmi? I have noticed terrible artifacts with two different players through hdmi and was wondering if anyone else has seen this.

Lombard the only reason I purchased the toshiba was I wanted a DVD recorder. I didn't really care if it had hdmi or not. I decided on the toshiba after looking at the panasonic DVD recorders. I am replacing my old Sony DVD player which doesn't even have componet connections. It has a good picture on the 52725, but I have heard the new players with the componet connections do a beautiful job.There is only one digital out on the toshiba, and it is fiber-optic. If I connect the toshiba to the surround receiver input using standard rca cables, will the feed to the toshiba be a digital signal going into the receiver?

Originally posted by garciab
Are you implying that tv speakers (being on/off) are controllable seperately for each input. My 62725 does not function like this. Or does this only apply to the HDMI input? I couldn't do this for the dvd component input, so I have a macro for " tv speakers 'on' ". Or maybe this can only be done using Netcommand?

That is what I was implying, but there's a good chance I was wrong. I only got to play with my TV for a few weeks before having to travel for work. I was kind of thinking this was right, but I would have never noticed one way or another. Everything I have runs through my receiver. The only time I played with turning the TV's speakers on and off was when I was having problems with the digital audio out of the TV when watching OTA HD.

Originally posted by pmorris1
Lombard the only reason I purchased the toshiba was I wanted a DVD recorder. I didn't really care if it had hdmi or not. I decided on the toshiba after looking at the panasonic DVD recorders. I am replacing my old Sony DVD player which doesn't even have componet connections. It has a good picture on the 52725, but I have heard the new players with the componet connections do a beautiful job.There is only one digital out on the toshiba, and it is fiber-optic. If I connect the toshiba to the surround receiver input using standard rca cables, will the feed to the toshiba be a digital signal going into the receiver?

Nope, sorry bud. The standard RCA's will only carry the stereo (2 channels). If you want surround sound, you're going to be stuck having to buy a fiber optic cable and using that to send the audio to your receiver.

Originally posted by Lombard
Well, beauty's in the eye of the beholder. When I first got my 52725, I picked up a Toshiba upscaling DVD player. I watched it for a while using the HDMI cable, then using component cables. To my eyes, I got a better picture from a 480P signal coming over the component cables. Apparently the TV did a better job of upscaling to 720P than the DVD player did. I returned the Toshiba DVD player and picked up a Sony Progressive Scan player for less than half the cost. I'd recommend you do the same thing (not returning the player, doing a comparison). Decide which picture you prefer. You can still use your DVD player's digital audio out to feed the signal to your receiver, even if you are using HDMI. Just turn off your TV speakers for the HDMI input.

I agree. I was going to buy a new upconverting DVD player when I got this TV, but the PQ is so good with my old progressive scan Sony via component that I'll stick with it. If/when I get a new DVD player, I'll probably go with a high quality progressive scan with component unless they make something where you can turn the upscaling off and send the signal over HDMI or something like that.

I watched the first disc of Fellowship of the Ring Extended Edition last night. I agree! Who needs an upconverting DVD player? Even my $45 Samsung progressive scan DVD player provides a stunning picture.

I'm going to use my home theater PC as an upconverting DVD player using FFDShow, but I'm starting to wonder if it is really worth the hassle of turning the computer on to watch DVDs (other than the ones I plan to rip to the 320GB hard drive, that is) when the TV does such a good job with a 480p signal.

If I do buy a new DVD player in the future, I'm going to wait for a Blu-Ray player. Hopefully one will come out with a firewire port so I don't have to take up my only HDMI input. :)

I was a bit worried about delay with the WD52525, but there is none that I can see. I played a few playstation games yesterday with no delay. And Unreal Tournament 2004 through the PC input has no delay. I love the Reduced 1 setting on the TV for the PC input. My video card has a DVI output, but I'd hate to lose the functionality of the reduced format settings.

The few High Definition clips I downloaded from http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/content_provider/film/HDVideo.aspx were even more breathtaking than the DVDs I played. I think I might have to buy T2. :)

I'll say it again, the number of inputs on the back of the Mitsu sets is staggering. I haven't had to use my A/V receiver for any video switching at all, which has reduced cabling a ton, and has reduced noise on the cabling too, I am sure. I am, however, running out of digital audio inputs to the receiver. :) All 4 are in use on the back, and the front one will probably be used by the HTPC.

I have noticed a very slight tilt to the picture. It might be trapezoidal, even, which I can fix. And I have a very minor bright spot. It will take a bit more staring at black screens for me to decide if it is worth replacing the set over. I couldn't even notice it with a picture on the screen, even a dark one. My set had an August 2004 build date, which surprised the hell out of me. I still had the 001 firmware! I called up Mitsu immediately after delivery. I explained that I was getting a Cablecard on Saturday so I could watch the superbowl on Sunday. He was quite sympathetic and said he would get the new firmware out immediately, and that I should either get it Thursday or Friday.

Speaking of delivery, Best Buy's delivery was amazing. I guess that the free delivery means that they drop it at your door. I paid $34, and they unpacked the TV outside, then carried it in the house. It was probably the most efficient operation I have ever seen. They had a sling that they used to carry the TV in the box down the snowy hill (I snowblowed a path through our yard) and to the entrance to the house. Then they unpacked it faster than I thought was possible. They carried it in, with the leader giving instructions to the guy behind him with every single step he took. They might have been at the house for a total of 7 minutes.

Sorry for the rambling post. I've had a lot of stuff running through my head, and this was the first chance I had to type it in. :)

Originally posted by DCinDC
I agree. I was going to buy a new upconverting DVD player when I got this TV, but the PQ is so good with my old progressive scan Sony via component that I'll stick with it. If/when I get a new DVD player, I'll probably go with a high quality progressive scan with component unless they make something where you can turn the upscaling off and send the signal over HDMI or something like that.

They already do. I'm sure other upconverting players are like this but I have the Sony 975 and you can pick the output resolution (480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i and Auto).

Does anyone use this tv with a upconverting dvd player through hdmi or anything through hdmi? I have noticed terrible artifacts with two different players through hdmi and was wondering if anyone else has seen this.

Max,

I have a Panny S97S upconverting player that looks just fine via HDMI either in 480 or 720.

My problem is that I think there is some problem with the TV on the audio side. I have bad popping noises via HDMI that are better but not eliminated via analog audio.

What sort of artifacts are you talking about?

Originally posted by BenK
They already do. I'm sure other upconverting players are like this but I have the Sony 975 and you can pick the output resolution (480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i and Auto).

Ahhh...cool...and it all goes through HDMI?

Thanks for the info...I obviously haven't been looking too closely...yet!

Actually, the only DVD player to output 480i over HDMI is the Pioneer DV-59avi.... that is, as far as I know... others can be modded to allow 480i over HDMI though.

just has mit 62725 delivered in time for super bowl has anyone had dlp professionally calibrated cant seem to get colors right tv is great on hd good on direct(some channels) and awesome on dvds having voom installed even though they are having problems--cant get enough of hdtv hope someone can help with adjustments on this set tried dve disc and only looks so-so no tilt,no rainbows,no bright spot thank g-d

I'm a big fan of the .mp3 player on my set that uses the Compact Flash media. What I hate is the damned built in light engine that changes shades/colors of the entire screen. It gets annoying late at night when a calm ambience is prefered (wink wink). So far, I just turn down the brightness. Any other ideas? Any kind of a settings/preference menu for this?


Also, Net Command, when setup for the an Audio Receiver, is way too slow with the volume control. Perhaps my original Yamaha remote actually has two IR signals? One for slow change, and one that kicks in after the button is held for X number of seconds. I thought the TV's volume control was wacky and had a mind of it's own, but the AVR setup via Net Command is like watching paint dry.

Anyone ever lose an HD channel with the cablecard?

I have comcast and lost 825 (FOX) and 882 (INHD2) the other day. I called, they tried something, it didn't work. They escalated, got a call back, 825 now works, but no 882. 881 (INHD1) works fine, so do all the other HD channels. I've been talking to the same guy for the past two days and he's stumped. He mentioned something about a new problem they just discovered with the Mitsubishis where they'd lose channels, but hasn't brought it since the beginning - must not be matching symptoms. It didn't sound right to me.

I can't add the channel, because as the manual says, with the cablecard, the lineup is pushed by the cable co. I'm at a loss, and so is Comcast. I have a feeling Mits CS will just read the manual back to me if I call.

I kind of don't want to mess with it with the superbowl on tomorrow and everything, but I'm leaning strongly to getting an antenna for an OTA backup solution.

Originally posted by captainx0r
Anyone ever lose an HD channel with the cablecard?

I have comcast and lost 825 (FOX) and 882 (INHD2) the other day. I called, they tried something, it didn't work. They escalated, got a call back, 825 now works, but no 882. 881 (INHD1) works fine, so do all the other HD channels. I've been talking to the same guy for the past two days and he's stumped. He mentioned something about a new problem they just discovered with the Mitsubishis where they'd lose channels, but hasn't brought it since the beginning - must not be matching symptoms. It didn't sound right to me.

I can't add the channel, because as the manual says, with the cablecard, the lineup is pushed by the cable co. I'm at a loss, and so is Comcast. I have a feeling Mits CS will just read the manual back to me if I call.

I kind of don't want to mess with it with the superbowl on tomorrow and everything, but I'm leaning strongly to getting an antenna for an OTA backup solution.

Silly question here...

Did you try resetting the tv with the little button on the front?

I don't have a cablecard, but I have lost digital channels (both OTA and cable), and resetting the TV brought them back (without having to rescan the channels).

I don't think this could hurt anything to try (assuming there is nothing special about resetting the TV with a cablecard).

Jeff

Originally posted by captainx0r
Anyone ever lose an HD channel with the cablecard?

I have comcast and lost 825 (FOX) and 882 (INHD2) the other day. I called, they tried something, it didn't work. They escalated, got a call back, 825 now works, but no 882. 881 (INHD1) works fine, so do all the other HD channels. I've been talking to the same guy for the past two days and he's stumped. He mentioned something about a new problem they just discovered with the Mitsubishis where they'd lose channels, but hasn't brought it since the beginning - must not be matching symptoms. It didn't sound right to me.

I can't add the channel, because as the manual says, with the cablecard, the lineup is pushed by the cable co. I'm at a loss, and so is Comcast. I have a feeling Mits CS will just read the manual back to me if I call.

I kind of don't want to mess with it with the superbowl on tomorrow and everything, but I'm leaning strongly to getting an antenna for an OTA backup solution.

There must be a transmission problem with Fox-HD/705 because I've not been able to get it consistently since Thursday-Friday. I have an SA CableCARD from TWCNYC and when I tune to 705, it gives me the program title, but nothing appears. I eventually get the message "Channel off air or does not exist, try another one." Occasionally the signal does come in, but not very often. I have the same problem with three Showtime channels. I have an SA 8300HD DVR as a back up so I am not stressing out. I don't watch Fox very often, but it would be nice to have it work again. BTW, I have the Mits 52525.

Regards.....JL

Take the cable card out of the set and let the set learn the cable channels (digital, too). Then search through the channels for FOX. The local channels shouldn't be scrambled, so you won't need the cablecard to receive them.

The cablecard remaps the original channel numbers like 110-2 to whole numbers like 705. So chances are that the digital channel you are looking for has a sub-channel.

Originally posted by pmorris1
Last week I was telling about sometimes my set would not turn on , and I had to unplug the power plug from the wall, and plug it back in. ..... Keep your fingers crossed for me that my problems are solved. I did not notic any other changes to my set, good or bad, for those that were wondering. phil
PMorris, I have the 825, and have experienced the same problem about four or five times since I got the set in November. These occurances have been infrequent, but none-the-less annoying. At first, Mits sent me (what was at that time) the latest firmware upgrade ... 5.02. (It seems that 825 firmware revisions begin with 5, but mimic the 4.x revisions on the 725.) After the flash, everything worked fine for about 4 days, then it happened again. I don't believe it had anything to do with the new firmware revision ... I just believe that the firmware didn't do anything to fix it, and the set was simply having one of its "moments'. So, I was within my 60-day Tweeter replacment. They came out and replaced the entire set. No problems for about 4 weeks, but then it happened again. Of course, when they replaced the set, the new one was shippped with the original (5.01) firmware ... so now I'm back to "square one". So, I was thinking of calling Mits again and finding out if they have any firmware later than .02 for the 825.

Please let us know what luck you have with the .04 revision. Thanks.

- Tom

Originally posted by ttownsend
PMorris, I have the 825, and have experienced the same problem about four or five times since I got the set in November. These occurances have been infrequent, but none-the-less annoying. At first, Mits sent me (what was at that time) the latest firmware upgrade ... 5.02. (It seems that 825 firmware revisions begin with 5, but mimic the 4.x revisions on the 725.) After the flash, everything worked fine for about 4 days, then it happened again. I don't believe it had anything to do with the new firmware revision ... I just believe that the firmware didn't do anything to fix it, and the set was simply having one of its "moments'. So, I was within my 60-day Tweeter replacment. They came out and replaced the entire set. No problems for about 4 weeks, but then it happened again. Of course, when they replaced the set, the new one was shippped with the original (5.01) firmware ... so now I'm back to "square one". So, I was thinking of calling Mits again and finding out if they have any firmware later than .02 for the 825.

Please let us know what luck you have with the .04 revision. Thanks.

- Tom I had a similar trouble with my 62525. Ended up replacing my surge suppressor (power strip) about 3 months ago and have been trouble free since.

Originally posted by muskie-mike
I had a similar trouble with my 62525. Ended up replacing my surge suppressor (power strip) about 3 months ago and have been trouble free since.
I have both the Monster AVS-2000 Voltage Regulator, and the HTS 5100 Power Center. I'm hoping that my $2,100.00 worth of power gear isn't at fault. That would really blow!

spiff72 - that did the trick. Not sure why I didn't think of it (I have to do it 1-3x/week) - though maybe I did and was hesitant with the superbowl coming up. At least I had HDFOX working....

Shape - good idea too, though the last time I had problems (lost *all* HD channels), they had me do that, and I ended up doing it three times before the TV would even recognize the card again. They sent someone out and I'm not sure what they did since I wasn't there, but the guy told my wife there was nothing wrong. I think we (me, comcast) really need to be in sync working stuff over the phone, and the ridiculously long time that it takes for the set to turn on and off made matters worse.

Thanks for the responses.

I've had so many minor problems with the set I think it's time to call Mits. The latest is random power offs with a red LAMP led requiring a reset.

Fun.

Originally posted by captainx0r
I've had so many minor problems with the set I think it's time to call Mits. The latest is random power offs with a red LAMP led requiring a reset.

Fun.

Had to panic on Saturday when I turned on my 52725 (got it in October) and had nothing but a greenish tint with vertical lines across the entire screen on all inputs (still had sound though). Tried resetting, no success.

Called my dealer and said "My brand new big-screen did NOT just blow up 24 hours before the Superbowl!!!" They had me unplug the set (it's normally plugged into a TrippLite HT1500 UPS) for about 10 minutes to see if the processor had choked and would reset itself. That did the trick (whew!).

I have a problem like this about once a month or so (normally the unintended red-light power off, have to reset and/or unplug). Also, periodically I have to relearn all the OTA channels again after it "loses" all the digital stations.

I'm not going to return the set (love it too much and don't have any of the problems like bright-spot or tilt), but I'm seriously considering the 5-year warranty for $399, just in case.

Is there a fix to any of these issues with firmware? I have the .02 or .03 right now (don't remember which). Would .04 help me at all?

Originally posted by tbone526
Had to panic on Saturday when I turned on my 52725 (got it in October) and had nothing but a greenish tint with vertical lines across the entire screen on all inputs (still had sound though). Tried resetting, no success.

Called my dealer and said "My brand new big-screen did NOT just blow up 24 hours before the Superbowl!!!" They had me unplug the set (it's normally plugged into a TrippLite HT1500 UPS) for about 10 minutes to see if the processor had choked and would reset itself. That did the trick (whew!).

I have a problem like this about once a month or so (normally the unintended red-light power off, have to reset and/or unplug). Also, periodically I have to relearn all the OTA channels again after it "loses" all the digital stations.

I'm not going to return the set (love it too much and don't have any of the problems like bright-spot or tilt), but I'm seriously considering the 5-year warranty for $399, just in case.

Is there a fix to any of these issues with firmware? I have the .02 or .03 right now (don't remember which). Would .04 help me at all?

I think I have .03 for my TV (62525), and I have never seen the red lamp light come on. I just have the occasional "lose the digital channels" problem, and a reset will usually get them back without having to relearn the channels. I have assigned names for all of my analog cable channels, so relearning would erase all of that work.

I do have to unplug the TV on rare occasions to get it to reset (when I lose the digital channels as an example), since the green light will just flash indefinitely on some reset attempts (normally it only flashes for about 60 seconds).

I love my TV too, and I did buy the extended warranty for it. The superbowl looked great last night!

Guys, I had a strange thing happen last night while watching the Super Bowl. At the start of the 4th quarter the screen on my 52525 just went black for the FOX HD feed. All the other HD channels on my TWC were fine. I was in the process of using the SA 8000 HD DVR to save it for my son to watch today. Turned over to standard Fox to watch the 4th Qtr and kept switching back to see if the HD FOX came back, after about 30 minutes it reappeared- 1 minute to go in the game, without doing any resetting or turning off the set. Called TWC this morning and no one else had complained. Has anyone had something like this happen before, I'm wondering if it's the TV, STB or TWC?

Originally posted by tbone526
Had to panic on Saturday when I turned on my 52725 (got it in October) and had nothing but a greenish tint with vertical lines across the entire screen on all inputs (still had sound though). Tried resetting, no success. . .

I'm not going to return the set (love it too much and don't have any of the problems like bright-spot or tilt), but I'm seriously considering the 5-year warranty for $399, just in case.

Is there a fix to any of these issues with firmware? I have the .02 or .03 right now (don't remember which). Would .04 help me at all?

Sounds like you might have had the "candystripe" pattern. spiff72 posted a great picture in this thread. (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=4581198#post4581198) I haven't had that pattern occur since I upgraded to the .04 firmware. When I did have it, changing the channels made it go away.

I have the extended warranty. I don't know if I'll ever use it, but with all the little glitches in rear projection dlp's, the peace of mind alone may be worth the price. I never worry about strange things going on with my $4000+ tv because I know it will be covered. As a point of comparison, I have a dvd-recorder that has problems outside of its 90 day warranty, and I am pulling my hair out over it even though it only cost me $300.

Has anyone hooked up their 525 or 725 up to a PC via firewire? I was just wondering if the PC recognizes the TV and if streaming video is available over the connection somehow. It probably only works in the other direction, though. I should probably look at the manual to see how video recorders get hooked up. :)

Originally posted by Shape
Has anyone hooked up their 525 or 725 up to a PC via firewire? I was just wondering if the PC recognizes the TV and if streaming video is available over the connection somehow. It probably only works in the other direction, though. I should probably look at the manual to see how video recorders get hooked up. :)

I haven't tried it but I believe it should work.

I have hooked up a Motorola 6200 tuner to the 525 using the firewire interface and it works so the firewire on the 525 can receive a stream. It doesn't show any on-screen displays like the channel menu.

I suspect that the 525 can only receive a stream, not send one, though.

The firewire port on the TV will output a MPEG2 firewire stream as well... it is bidirectional.

That is very cool. So does that mean that I don't need to have an HDTV capture card in order to record an HDTV stream on a PC? I wonder what is required in order to capture the stream.

Originally posted by Shape
That is very cool. So does that mean that I don't need to have an HDTV capture card in order to record an HDTV stream on a PC? I wonder what is required in order to capture the stream.

There's a couple of threads scattered around discussing this topic. Basically, you just need to get software for your computer that emulates a DVHS player. Dig around the HTPC forum and the HDTV recording forum.

Mits customer complaint

<<RANT ON>>

Sure would be nice if Mits support would have a major change in behavior and start posting firmware along with release notes and bug fix lists. You just KNOW they have this stuff documented already... What an anal retentive set of policies (always done things "this" way).

Mits, if you're going to design and produce something with SOFTWARE & FIRMWARE embedded, then it seems to me you'd better start behaving as if software is actually part of your product.

Can you imagine if PC software were handled like Mits does? "No Mr Customer, I cannot possibly send you the latest BIOS just because you want it... you first need to tell me what problem you have before I'll consider sending you a new flash device".. "No sir, I cannot possibly send you the files over the Internet; you must first FAX us a signed license agreement, then we will FedEx a new flash part to your house."

AS IF there would actually be anyone at Mits who might actually suggest "Gee boss, maybe we could gather some useful information from those crazy internet boards...." Nope, can't do that; too radical. Someone might have to change the way they do something !!!


<<RANT OFF>>

Sorry members, guess I just needed to let off some steam..

hehe... the license agreement no longer needs to be faxed in... I bet they got tired of this back in September of last year with the fiasco that was... faxes not getting through, lost faxes, etc... THAT was a nightmare.

But I agree with you... there is no reason as to why they couldn't put the FW on their website and have it downloadable to a flash card that the user provides... Not only would that save them shipping costs on those cards, but also cut down greatly on the number of calls they recieve...

Originally posted by tbone526
Had to panic on Saturday when I turned on my 52725 (got it in October) and had nothing but a greenish tint with vertical lines across the entire screen on all inputs (still had sound though). Tried resetting, no success.

Called my dealer and said "My brand new big-screen did NOT just blow up 24 hours before the Superbowl!!!" They had me unplug the set (it's normally plugged into a TrippLite HT1500 UPS) for about 10 minutes to see if the processor had choked and would reset itself. That did the trick (whew!).



I had this problem out of the box! I just had the store replace it.

Originally posted by asrermd
Service guy here and cleaned mirrors....No LUCK. Amazingly he ordered new light engine (under extended warrenty) Hopefully that will fix it and I will not end up with the bright spot!! Let me know hoe your cleaning comes out>

Alan, the service guy just left. He took the front off and took a peak at the bottom front mirror ...wow what a mess! It had big chunks of stuff and a thin coating of dust. I was amazed I had as good a picture as I did! He cleaned it with a micro-fiber cloth and put it back together. Now the picture, I would say is pristine. I had him also check the geometry with his equipment and it was right on the money.

He asked when I got the set (September) and said this was probably from the production line as I had not had the set long enough to generate that kind of buildup. Guess it was not what you would call a "clean room" wherever it was built at.:(
But all is well now and I am happy :)

I happened to stop by my dealer's shop (custom installer) yesterday to say hello and he told me he anted to come over my house later to upgrade my firmware. The local Mits rep was coming in and had his special little flash card. Anyway, my set was upgraded to v.04 and I told him I didn't really have any problems, but if he wanted to... sure, why not.

And no, I didn't buy from a BB or CC or Tweeter, just a guy in town who is a legit Mits Medalion/Diamond dealer/installer. I got a better price and with service like this, I can't complain. And if I do, I know he'll be there within 24 hours if not within the hour. Sometimes small is better.

BTW, does anyone have the skinny on what the v.04 _really_ does/fixes?

apparantly, more cablecard issues from what I gather... although I still have some flakiness that I mentioned before...

Mits rep claimed it resolves some lockups and audio sync issues.

Maybe someone can help me. I have A digital coax cable run from my 52725 to the coax cable connection on the back of my yamaha receiver.When I am watching a digital broadcast using the HDTV tuner in my set , the sound is awsome. When I change the channel to a non digital, or high def channel, I get no sound. Do I need to run a seperate audio cable from the tv to the receiver for the 2ch. stereo sound comming from my cable connection to my tv?

Originally posted by pmorris1
Maybe someone can help me. I have A digital coax cable run from my 52725 to the coax cable connection on the back of my yamaha receiver.When I am watching a digital broadcast using the HDTV tuner in my set , the sound is awsome. When I change the channel to a non digital, or high def channel, I get no sound. Do I need to run a seperate audio cable from the tv to the receiver for the 2ch. stereo sound comming from my cable connection to my tv?
This is mentioned in the user manual. Digital coax will only have sound when viewing digital sources; for analog sources, you will need to hook up the Audio 1 Output from xx725 to the analog audio in on your receiver.

I looked, but I didn't see it. Thanks.

Originally posted by pmorris1
I looked, but I didn't see it. Thanks.
Do you mean you didn't see it in the manual? You're right, some of the manuals are missing page 13 where it describes the back panel, at least mine is missing that page. If this is true in your case, you can download the user manual from www.mitsubishi-tv.com. It has the corrected version.

Originally posted by pmorris1
Maybe someone can help me. I have A digital coax cable run from my 52725 to the coax cable connection on the back of my yamaha receiver.When I am watching a digital broadcast using the HDTV tuner in my set , the sound is awsome. When I change the channel to a non digital, or high def channel, I get no sound. Do I need to run a seperate audio cable from the tv to the receiver for the 2ch. stereo sound comming from my cable connection to my tv?

The short answer is YES. I have the same configuration on our 52725 and I have great sound when there is a digital signal. I have the R/L output channels from the TV going to the CD-IN sound on my reciever. ( I don't have any CD component on my system, so this works out great) That way there is digital sound coming from the coax and analog when there isn't. I just turn on my reciever and choose CD for the output. I hope that I explained it ok.
Good Luck: Lyle :)

I bought a 62725 last week and love it. But found one problem, I was watching the Super Bowl OTA via the ATSC in HD and it was great. But when I would use PiP to watch my SD TiVo I would lose the HD OTA channel. It would revert to SD and the only way I could get it to go back to HD was to rescan the channels. I have now found this happens everytime I use PiP. Will the 4.04 S/W fix this? Running 4.03 BTW.

Thanks for any help. I have searched the board and many pages of this thread, but there is 111 pages...

Can someone explain to me the proper way to use the HDMI connection? I want to connect my new Toshiba DVD to my 52725 using the HDMI cable. After I make the connection between the dvd and the tv, do I have to set up anything in the net command? to recognize the dvd player.I can't find anything in the owners manual about setting up the HDMI. After I made the connection I looked in devices connected, and it does not show any hdmi. Is there a setup when using the hdmi, or does it just work when you put a dvd disk in the player and push play.

Yes, check monitorlink as the input and then select the icon that will appear in your device menu. It is really easy.

Has anyone ventured into the service menu? I got in using the info from UMD_Terp but other than HPOS and VPOS I couldn't make heads or tails. Is there any settings to adjust for the intensity of the light output? I just want to tinker and see if adjusting the lamp output to a lower setting would give me better black levels in low lighting conditions as the blacks start looking a little grayish.

bump. Has no one made any changes in the service menu? Any adjustments on lamp intensity or sub contrast? Any info on service menu settings would be appreciated.

No one really knows what all the other adjustments mean... they aren't even mentioned in the service manual...

I thought I would share this for anyone interested. I finally hooked up my new toshiba DVD recorder RD-SX52 to my 52725 via the HDMI hookup.I also ran a Fiber Optic audio cable from the Toshiba, to my Yamaha receiver RX-V2095. The video is just Awesome. And the audio 5.1 audio comming from my receiver knocks your socks off. I have read here that some folks have not been so pleased with the results of there new upconverted dvd players. I also compared the picture quality using my sony DVD player DVS-P7700 hooked up using the RBG connection. You could really see the differance between the sony, and the Toshiba.I got very nice picture quality with the sony, but the picture quality using the new Toshiba, was stunning. Maybe all of the DVD players that have the upconversion using the HDMI are not, of the same quality. After reading many of the opinions about how the upconversion players were a waste of money, that they were not any better than many of the regular DVD players out there, I almost decided to just use my old sony. I sure am happy that I decided to go with my new Toshiba DVD, player, Recorder. What a great match for this Awesome 52725. Of course this is just my Opinion.

Originally posted by pmorris1
I thought I would share this for anyone interested. I finally hooked up my new toshiba DVD recorder RD-SX52 to my 52725 via the HDMI hookup.I also ran a Fiber Optic audio cable from the Toshiba, to my Yamaha receiver RX-V2095. The video is just Awesome. And the audio 5.1 audio comming from my receiver knocks your socks off. I have read here that some folks have not been so pleased with the results of there new upconverted dvd players. I also compared the picture quality using my sony DVD player DVS-P7700 hooked up using the RBG connection. You could really see the differance between the sony, and the Toshiba.I got very nice picture quality with the sony, but the picture quality using the new Toshiba, was stunning. Maybe all of the DVD players that have the upconversion using the HDMI are not, of the same quality. After reading many of the opinions about how the upconversion players were a waste of money, that they were not any better than many of the regular DVD players out there, I almost decided to just use my old sony. I sure am happy that I decided to go with my new Toshiba DVD, player, Recorder. What a great match for this Awesome 52725. Of course this is just my Opinion.

That's good to hear. It's definitely a function of how they do the upconversion so I"m sure some will do it better than others. Interestingly, it doesn't seem to correlate (much) to the price of the unit.

Still, I have to say the picture over component with my old Sony DVD player is so good that I think I'll wait until it dies before I sink more money into my TV set up.

I'm surprised there are no ISF calibrators out there that aren't informed about the Service menu. I guess it'll just remain a mystery. Thaks anyway UMD_Terp

I'm surprised there are no ISF calibrators out there that aren't informed about the Service menu. I guess it'll just remain a mystery. Thanks anyway UMD_Terp.

Yesterday I finally got a working cablecard from Comcast... I was never able to get all the channels I am supposed to with the previous ones I had, but I now do. I used to experience intermittent lockups while surfing digital channels every now and then... it seems that is now fixed with this new card. Also, it seems that changing channels is a tad faster... especially digital SD channels. For those of you with problems with resposniveness and lockups, I think having a fully operational cablecard is important. In my talks with Comcast it seems that their original batch were never 100% functionally. I think slowly things will get ironed out... it's just going to take time.

One of the channels I never was able to get was DiscoveryHD up until now... I must say that after watching it for a little while, it has to be one of the highest quality HD feeds I've ever seen... just as good as ESPNHD... I don't know if it is 1080i or 720p, but in either case, it looks amazing :)

discovery HD is 1080i
espnHD is 720p

Originally posted by spiff72
discovery HD is 1080i
espnHD is 720p

I knew ESPN was 720p... wasn't sure what discovery was... either way though, they both look great...

I've recorded some HD video from my TV via firewire to my PC's hard drive using the information from this thread: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=403695

It works very nicely. I was worried that if I had the TV on an input other than an antenna that it would record that source. However, it seems to remember what antenna source you last selected, and what channel you were on. That is the one that it records when you hit the record button. This is very handy right now.

I have a media pc, but I don't have an HD capture card yet. It is a pain since you need to have the TV on (I assume, at least), though, and you have to select the right channel to record. So it isn't an automatic thing. But for the times when I am putting my son to bed during Enterprise in HD, it is very handy. :)

Hi all,

I have a new 62725 that I have setup using Net Command to turn on my TWC HD DVR cable box (SA83000). Under the cable box settings, I assigned it to always turn on to channel 240 (INHD). However, I noticed when I cut the TV on, the cable box is briefly on channel 240 like it is programmed, then turns to channel 3. This can only be the TV (net command) doing this because when I manually cut the cable box on and off while leaving the TV on, it will always come on to its assigned channel (240). Does anyone know where the settings are to correct this?

Thanks

I started a thread about the 52725, then saw this thread. My mistake, and I will ask the questions I have here in hopes someone can shed some light on them...

Does anybody know when the new line of Mitsubishi DLP's are due to come out? I purchased a 52725 over the past weekend but am not actually having it shipped into a new home until near the end of April. If a newer model is due out before then, I may just upgrade it before it is shipped. Any thoughts?

Also, does anyone know what formats the memory card slot recognizes?

Thanks for any assistance.

Panzer948, I've seen the same thing. The TV would always change the channel to 3 at startup... I don't know how to correct it. I think it's a bug. I should have called Mit's tech support but hadn't gotten around to it.

TrojanCain, usually the new Mit's TVs show up around Thanksgiving.

I own the 525, but will probably be getting a 725 series for the new HT room being built. That being said, how is the glare on the 725? My wife and I are getting "killed" by the glare on the 525.

Thanks for the info. Also if anyone has any advice on how to get rid of the glare without taking off the diamond shield, that would be appriciated as well. :)

Originally posted by eawil
I own the 525, but will probably be getting a 725 series for the new HT room being built. That being said, how is the glare on the 725? My wife and I are getting "killed" by the glare on the 525.

Thanks for the info. Also if anyone has any advice on how to get rid of the glare without taking off the diamond shield, that would be appriciated as well. :)

It's better on the 725, but still there. I have windows with no curtains (just apartment-style blinds) behind me, and I took my shield off because there was still plenty enough glare to bug me...and I was coming from a direct view 35" Mits. I am moving in the near future and hope to have better light control so I can put it back on.

Just my $.02...

-Randy

Originally posted by TrojanCain
I started a thread about the 52725, then saw this thread. My mistake, and I will ask the questions I have here in hopes someone can shed some light on them...

Does anybody know when the new line of Mitsubishi DLP's are due to come out? I purchased a 52725 over the past weekend but am not actually having it shipped into a new home until near the end of April. If a newer model is due out before then, I may just upgrade it before it is shipped. Any thoughts?

Also, does anyone know what formats the memory card slot recognizes?

Thanks for any assistance.

1. Typically, Mits announces its new models in April. However, they don't show up in retail stores until July at the earliest.

2. What do you mean by formats? The manual says it accepts JPEG pictures up to 128Mb, MP3s and WMA7 audio files. There are four memory card slots, not one; quoting from the manual:

CARD-1 slot is compatible with both MultiMediaCard™ (MMC) and Secure Digital (SD) cards. CARD-2 slot is compatible with SmartMedia™ cards. CARD-3 slot is compatible with CompactFlash® cards and CARD-4 is compatible with MEMORY STICK™ cards.

Hi all,

I am new to this thread and just ordered a 52725 for my new house. I've got about 2 weeks before delivery and have a few questions:

1) Trim kit - Do I just call Mitsu to order this? Is there a part number? The guys at Tweeter didn't know how to order it, nor did any of their TVs have it.

2) Stand suggestions - I'm open. Does anyone have the OEM one? How wide or deep are those shelves? They look really small in the pictures and I can't find the shelf dimensions anywhere. What did you guys do?

3) All this talk of firmware, resets, etc. Is there a FAQ of outstanding issues for me to get caught up on or can some kind heart provide a summary.

4) Does anyone have those Omnimount or Sanus platforms or a better non shelf solution for mounting a center channel speaker?

I'm really excited about this TV and can't wait to set it up. Thanks for your help.

Looking into getting this TV myself. Really impressed with the PQ and connections. It will be used in a two window living room sitting between both windows. Glare shouldn't be an issue. the shield has to stay. To many little things that can get to the screen in my house.

I'm like pd...any issues I should be sure to ask the store or manu. dates that I should check for. 112 pages is a lot to read through....

Kevin

Originally posted by Panzer948
Under the cable box settings, I assigned it to always turn on to channel 240 (INHD). However, I noticed when I cut the TV on, the cable box is briefly on channel 240 like it is programmed, then turns to channel 3. I believe they do this intentionally. Just for the RARE case where some bozo might have a VCR in front of their cable boxes on the RG6 incoming RF.

cableco-----vcr------stb--------tv

In that (hopefully rare) scenario, the STB needs to be tuned to channel 3 just in case the VCR is ON and outputting from it's tuner to channel 3.

No idea why they think that might be a common setup....

52725 Glare Questions:

I've had the 52725 for about a month now. Great PQ, no problems so far with the software, etc. If you have a light source directly behind the TV, you will get some glare. 90% of my viewing is at night so it's no big issue. I have a bay window directly behind my viewing area and in the daytime I have to watch TV from an angle to avoid the glare. I believe you can order parts (trim kit) off of the Mits website, do a Google search for that.

Mits Stand Size:

I have the 52525 stand and it is only large enough for a STB or small components. Forget about using it for any components like a DVD, etc. I have a small center speaker on the top shelf and my STB on the bottom. For all my other components I use a matching A/V rack (I forget the brand) that sits alongside the Mits.

CTracer

I would recommend going to Best Buy to get the Trim kit. Ordering it from Mitsu is more expensive. It should be $50 and I think Mits charges 80+ if you order thru their parts dept.

I really hate the OEM stand. The shelves are too shallow and too narrow. I went with a tech craft PTV58 Black stand. Some others to look at include: Omnimount/Furniture works Cosmic VT2 or G362. Bello AVS-2552, AVSC-2050, AVS-522. Sanus PFDV. The Samsung xx63 stand should also work... it's expandable to handle most sized TV's.

Issues:
-Tilt. The picture was rotated on first gen sets. I haven't heard that this is much of a problem lately. The fix is relatively easy. Pretty much a non-issue now.
-Resets. The first couple batches of TV's had problems with resets, the TV would reset itself or wouldn't power up and you had to do a manual reset. I haven't heard of this being an issue on current sets. Fix is to get a firmware update from Mits. Pretty much a non-issue now.
-Loosing channel lineup. On occasion when using the internal tuner the digital channel lineup will disappear (OTA ATSC or Cablecard channels). Short term fix is to reset the TV. The latest firmware may fix this issue but I don't know that for sure.
-The biggest outstanding issue that I'm aware of is the Brightspot issue. Some folks have a football sized brightspot on their screen that shows up in black or very dark scenes. I haven't heard of a resolution yet. I have a slight brightspot, it isn't noticeable to me while watching shows so I don't worry about it. Some people have a bigger problem than others. Work with a store and salesman that you think will be responsive in case this is a problem on your sets. I think this was a bad run of sets about a month or two into production but just to be safe ask about the stores return policy.

I am not a fan of the Sanus TV top shelf. It's plastic and particle board, it's not very adjustable, it's not sturdy and I think it looks cheap.

The Omnimount is a very sturdy unit with a good range of adjustment. We are using one of these on a Mits diamond DLP at the store I work at. It's a good unit.

For my 62725, I went with a BDI Axis 8027 (http://www.bdiusa.com/avfurniture/axis_8027.shtml) stand. Works great, and the bottom shelf is big enough to fit my VMPS 626SE (http://www.vmpsaudio.com/qso626p.htm) Center Channel.

The stand is:

http://www.bdiusa.com/avfurniture/images/axis_8027.jpg

-John

Originally posted by Airblair
1. Typically, Mits announces its new models in April. However, they don't show up in retail stores until July at the earliest.

2. What do you mean by formats? The manual says it accepts JPEG pictures up to 128Mb, MP3s and WMA7 audio files. There are four memory card slots, not one; quoting from the manual:

CARD-1 slot is compatible with both MultiMediaCard™ (MMC) and Secure Digital (SD) cards. CARD-2 slot is compatible with SmartMedia™ cards. CARD-3 slot is compatible with CompactFlash® cards and CARD-4 is compatible with MEMORY STICK™ cards.

Thanks to you and BigAl for your replies, they are appreciated!

Sorry, I guess rather than "formats" I should have asked what cards it accepts. Your reply answered my question perfectly. Thanks again!

Forgive my ignorance, but what is the trim kit?

Originally posted by eawil
Forgive my ignorance, but what is the trim kit?

Many people are bothered by the glare on their Mitsu DLP's because of the glass (?) shield covering the screen. The 525 is the worst offender. The 725 (which I have) has an "anti-glare" shield, but still has issues. In my rec room downstairs if I have a light source behind me and the rest of the room is dark, it's very noticeable. The 825 is supposed to be better than either, but I have no knowledge.

Since the shield is easily removed, many people choose to remove it rather than deal with the glare. However, this leaves the front of the set looking a little unfinished and ugly. Mitsubishi has come out with a trim kit that replaces the border around the screen but has no shield, improving the looks of the TV.

My personal preference is to leave the shield on. I can control the lighting and glare, and I prefer to protect the screen from the little maniacs that run around my rec room.

Big Al,

Thanks a lot for your summary. The PQ and connectivity options really sold me on this set. I’ll take your stand suggestions to heart and cross my fingers with the bright spot issue.

Originally posted by pdubyu
Hi all,
...
4) Does anyone have those Omnimount or Sanus platforms or a better non shelf solution for mounting a center channel speaker?

I'm really excited about this TV and can't wait to set it up. Thanks for your help.

I have the Omnimount for center speaker for my 62725, and it's easy to set up and it works great. You can get it at CC, but you can find one cheaper online.

For people with the 62725 what are your viewing distances? Would 10' be too close for this set?

I haven't followed this thread for awhile, so if it came up before I missed it.
Question to all you Mits owners; haven't you noticed the overall 'green' tint to the picture? It is one of the first thing s I see every time I have seen this set in the stores. I don't mean in the corners, but a overall green cast to the image. I do understand many other sets especially LCD's have a tendency to be blue, but this has a tendency to be green. Even after reducing the green and yellow controls, it still has a green cast to it.

Input?

Originally posted by videobruce
I haven't followed this thread for awhile, so if it came up before I missed it.
Question to all you Mits owners; haven't you noticed the overall 'green' tint to the picture? It is one of the first thing s I see every time I have seen this set in the stores. I don't mean in the corners, but a overall green cast to the image. I do understand many other sets especially LCD's have a tendency to be blue, but this has a tendency to be green. Even after reducing the green and yellow controls, it still has a green cast to it.

Input?

Nope. I have noticed a slight green halo effect around people on poor quality (and primarily analog) signals, and I am semi-cursed with seeing rainbows when looking away from the screen, but that's it.

-Randy

Howdy!

I've been lurking around here for a while and decided I really should put out my two cents.

We took delivery of our 52525 on December 1st. We live in an area where we are doubtful for OTA signals, so we rely on DishNetwork. We bought a 921 receiver/DVR and had it installed on the day after we got the set.

Just for reference, I run my entire set up through my Onyko THX surround receiver. I do not use NetCommand. I do have a Panasonic DVD Recorder hooked up, but haven't used it with this set up. Since it won't record in HD, we are working on how to get a decent SD signal into it. We did not get the Mitz stand for our set. We bought a plasma stand that got it up higher and gave us room for all of our equipment.

I am still blown away by this set. Yes, we have some minor issues. But overall, I feel like we made the best choice. Our room is long and narrow with a sliding glass door that faces east. The set faces across the narrow portion of the room (10' - 12' distance). We have some glare issues in the morning. Closing the blinds generally resolves those issues. We won't take the glare screen off until the grandkids are older. Since there is a new grandchild on the way, that probably means we won't ever take it off.:p

I have the good, old smudges issue. About 6 smudges have shown up with only one in the center of the screen. I have called the service tech to come look at it. I am hoping a good cleaning inside with take care of the problem.

So far, I really haven't had any issues that I felt I need to ask about here. I just wanted to thank all of you for commenting. It gave me plenty of ideas while I've been working to learn how this set operates.

Originally posted by videobruce
I haven't followed this thread for awhile, so if it came up before I missed it.
Question to all you Mits owners; haven't you noticed the overall 'green' tint to the picture? It is one of the first thing s I see every time I have seen this set in the stores. I don't mean in the corners, but a overall green cast to the image. I do understand many other sets especially LCD's have a tendency to be blue, but this has a tendency to be green. Even after reducing the green and yellow controls, it still has a green cast to it.

Input?

Yes, i have the green tint. I made some changes in the perfect color screen to adjust it and it is not as bad.
I have also read on another board I think that the 4.04 firmware fixes this, but have not confirmed this myself or had anybody else say it fixes the green tint.

Originally posted by paudemge
Yes, i have the green tint. I made some changes in the perfect color screen to adjust it and it is not as bad.
I have also read on another board I think that the 4.04 firmware fixes this, but have not confirmed this myself or had anybody else say it fixes the green tint.

I don't notice a green tint on my 725 and hadn't heard of any firmware fixes for this problem. My recollection of the 04 fix was that it addressed cablecard issues.

Even after reducing the green and yellow controls, it still has a green cast to it.

I see this comment posted frequently but all I can say is I don't see green push on my set. I don't know if some people are more senstive to this than others or if there could be manufacturing tolerances / quality control issues where the sets actually differ in this respect or what. I note some errors in green when using DVE to set up color and tint but I don't see these errors visibly and have not even bothered with the individual green and yellow controls, just color and tint. I'm glad to not have this issue for whatever reasons it seems to occur.

I don't know if some people are more senstive to this than others or if there could be manufacturing tolerances / quality control issues where the sets actually differ in this respect or what. Every set I looked at was pretty much the same. No one was better/worse than another regarding the 'green' issue.
I wouldn't really call it a 'push' issue because it affected the whole color spectrum, not just exaggerating green.

Originally posted by GeeWhiz1
. . . I have the good, old smudges issue. About 6 smudges have shown up with only one in the center of the screen. . . .

Okay, I don't usually look for problems I'm lucky enough not to see (never seen a rainbow, and hope I never do), but I'm curious about these smudges because they can easily be corrected. What's the easiest way to spot them?

Originally posted by 2left
...I'm curious about these smudges because they can easily be corrected. What's the easiest way to spot them?
Just find an input source with a solid white screen (you can use one of the screens available if you cycle through the built-in test patterns). You will see the smudges right away if you have them.

How do you get to the built in test patterns?

Has anyone seen their check for $300 from the rebate that was offer briefly back in October?

Also I occasionally lose programming for the digital channels from the OTA tuner. Is this in-fact fixed by a firmware upgrade? I'm at work, so I don't know my current revision. The set, a 52725, was purchased in early November, and was a "new shipment". I had to wait for it.

Thanks

MBJST

I just got an update for my new 62725 and it went from 4.03 to 4.05. They didn't tell me what it might fix but I had called because I was having a cable card installed today...

I called the other 1-866... Mitsubishi support number and they told me that the latest was 4.04... maybe I will try the 949-830-8364 number later today and ask them for it. I also asked about being able to record from the cablecard to my digital VCR and was told that it can't be done. I've never been able to record anything from the cablecard to the Mitsubishi D-VHS recorder yet and I always thought it was a copy protection problem. It makes no sense to me as to why you couldn't be able to record from the cablecard to the D-VHS deck over firewire. OTA works just fine. Isn't the cablecard/QAM tuner output sent out over firwewire as an MPEG2 stream just like the OTA signal is? If all the flags are set right, then it shouldn't matter whether the demodulated MPEG2 stream is coming from the OTA tuner or the QAM tuner. Both should go over firewire... anyone have any ideas regarding this... :confused:

Yeah, I can't record from the cablecard to my PC via firewire, either. :( Perhaps I'll try taking the cablecard out and then trying to record the unscrambled channels.