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Rob Tomlin
12-22-04, 12:47 AM
Thanks Jon!

Josh@dvdo
12-22-04, 02:00 AM
Jon is right, but I am not sure the of the exact release date. I will find out and update those that are waiting.

Josh@dvdo
12-22-04, 02:05 AM
pyesnosky - The problem that you are having is that you are running an HD component (YPbPr) signal to the iScan HD+, which is passing thru to an RGBHV input on your DLP set. If you connect an HD15->Component cable to your DLP from the iScan HD+ everything should function correctly.

Josh@dvdo
12-22-04, 02:10 AM
Originally posted by whsbuss
The blue screen may be caused by HDCP. Is there any signal connected to the DVI?

Just a tip for everybody. The easy easy way to tell that you have lost or do not have HDCP authenication is to look at the colored LED on the front panel. If it is flashing blue then you do not have authentication if it is solid blue, you are processing the signal and you have authentication. If the LED is green you are passing the signal thru.

This may be changed in future software. Your feedback is appreciated, please PM me with your comments.

JimP
12-22-04, 02:36 AM
Josh,

I'm inputting a component 1080i signal to output through DVI/HDMI to a front projector. I get the solid green light, but no picture. It looks like its trying to synch, but is unable too. I've done the factory reset and have verified that I'm on the correct output. Other resolutions work fine and analog output on my Sony GWIII at 1080i works fine.

It seems that it was working a few days ago when I got the HD+, but now its not.

Any suggestions?

Josh@dvdo
12-22-04, 02:43 AM
The iScan HD+ will not transcode a component 1080i signal and output it over HDMI/DVI. The solid green light means the signal is passing thru. Pass thru means that NO processing is done, meaning if the signal comes in as an analog component signal, it will come out as an analog component signal. This explains why you are seeing a signal on the GWIII but not the front projector.

JimP
12-22-04, 06:57 AM
Josh,

Thanks for responding. I could have sworn though that it was doing just that a few days ago. Must have been thinking about the GWIII, rather than the front projector.

So does this mean that if I were to change the output resolution to 720p so that the signal is no longer just pass through, then the HD+ will take the analog 1080i, convert it to 720p and output it over DVI/HDMI?

whsbuss
12-22-04, 08:21 AM
Originally posted by JimP
Josh,

Thanks for responding. I could have sworn though that it was doing just that a few days ago. Must have been thinking about the GWIII, rather than the front projector.

So does this mean that if I were to change the output resolution to 720p so that the signal is no longer just pass through, then the HD+ will take the analog 1080i, convert it to 720p and output it over DVI/HDMI?

According to the HD+ manual:

'High Definition signal formats (720p, 1081i) on the Component inputs are automatically passed throught to the output.'

So as Josh points out, the HD+ does not transcode HD signals over component and output to DVI. Only 480p/576p formats via component can be processed and routed to DVI out.

Josh; is this correct?

JimP
12-22-04, 09:13 AM
So basically, if I want to see 1080i content from my satellite receiver over the DVI cable, I must(no exceptions) input it with the DVI cable. There's is no way to massage a 1080i signal from component to do that.

Reason I'm asking what otherwise may sound like an odd question is because component output off of my satellite receiver actually looks a tad better than DVI.

whsbuss
12-22-04, 09:37 AM
Originally posted by JimP
So basically, if I want to see 1080i content from my satellite receiver over the DVI cable, I must(no exceptions) input it with the DVI cable. There's is no way to massage a 1080i signal from component to do that.

Reason I'm asking what otherwise may sound like an odd question is because component output off of my satellite receiver actually looks a tad better than DVI.

Yes, that's how I read it. HD signals on component IN are passed-thru to analog OUT on the HD+, not DVI out.

I would hope DVDO would provide 720p/1080i component IN processing to DVI out in a future software release. The Lumagen VisionHDP already provides this feature. One of my DVD players outputs 480p/720p/1080i via component and I would like to use the HD formats to feed the processor.

This is the only reason I have not yet purchased the IScan HD+. I perfer it over the Lumagen because of its physical look and better remote, but its the features of the processor I am ultimately interested in.

JimP
12-22-04, 11:37 AM
...and DVI input on the HD+ doesn't take 480i to output over DVI? Is that correct?

So for me to use the HD+ with my satellite receiver, I have to switch from DVI input for 1080i to component input for 480i inputs? Please tell me I'm wrong on this.

whsbuss
12-22-04, 12:26 PM
Originally posted by JimP
...and DVI input on the HD+ doesn't take 480i to output over DVI? Is that correct?

So for me to use the HD+ with my satellite receiver, I have to switch from DVI input for 1080i to component input for 480i inputs? Please tell me I'm wrong on this.

For now the HD+ does not process 480i on the DVI input, but DVDO is going to release new software that will do this (hopefully in January).

Why not use 480p from the sat receiver for now?

JimP
12-22-04, 12:42 PM
Originally posted by whsbuss
For now the HD+ does not process 480i on the DVI input, but DVDO is going to release new software that will do this (hopefully in January).

Why not use 480p from the sat receiver for now?

Because I would then have to set the satellite receiver to ouput everything at 480p including 1080i. The Voom receiver will allow you to set output to either native resolution, OR 1080, 720, 480p and 480i. So when you set it to anything other than native, you then have everything going to the new resolution.

I primarily bought the HD+ to use with a SDI modded DVD player. These other benefits were secondary.

LEVESQUE
12-22-04, 12:50 PM
Jim.

My satellite is set to "native" also, and connected via component to my IScan. My HD+ process and scale the 480i component signal and send it from the DVI output to my projector. But analog 720p and 1080i are passing through my HD15 to RGB analog cable to the RGB input of my projector.

So I just switch to the analog output of the HD+ for 720p and 1080i, and switch my projector to the corresponding analog input.

Works pretty well for me!

whsbuss
12-22-04, 01:32 PM
I wish the HD Tivo had native mode. It only outputs at a user-set mode so if you want native mode, you've gotta set it for each source...... what a pain!!

pyesnosky
12-22-04, 11:20 PM
whsbuss,

I'm not sure if this helps your situation, but...

What I have done is set the "up arrow" output formats on the HD Tivo to whatever optional output formats I want. So for example, I check mark 480i and 720p.

I also set the default output format to what I normally want. Since most of what I record or watch is HD, I set the default output format to 720p.

But, I might want to view a SD SAT or OTA program. This I might want to output at 480i and let the iScan handle the processing to 720p instead of the HD Tivo. To do this easily, I can use the "up arrow" settings on the HD Tivo to cycle between 480i and 720p. You just check mark both 480i and 720p in that setup option and when you press "up arrow" you cycle between the chosen formats.

So, I normally leave the output at 720p but if I tune to a SD program or recording, I can quickly "up arrow" to change the HD Tivo output format to 480i or 480p or whatever I have checkmarked.

Also, BTW an RGB to component breakout cable fixed my other problem. The manual is not very clear but when DVDO says passthrough, they really mean it. If you are "passing through" a component input to RGB out, you need to use a component breakout cable and set YPbPR color space and TRI sync. If instead you let's say had a PC connected to RGB in and wanted to "pass through" that signal to your display, you would need to probably have it set up DB-15 to DB-15 like I had before (but I haven't verified that). The bottom line is that I had the wrong cable setup for what I was trying to do. And DVDO support was great. I got a call within 24 hours of my email to them and they helped clear up my confusion. And, as you saw on this thread, Josh also responded with the same solution.

Paul

whsbuss
12-22-04, 11:40 PM
pyesnosky,

Thanks for the reply. I do much of what you do with the output resolution of my HD Tivo. However, I use the HMDI/DVI connection and the iScan HD+ does not process 480i via DVI (however, Josh and Adam @ DVDO said they are looking to provide this in a future release).

Currently, I have an svideo connection from the Tivo to my Pio DVR recorder to archive recordings. This works great. In fact, I would not include this DVR/DVD as part of the iScan processing...... I only use it for archiving.

Since I don't have an SDI mod for my Zenith DVD and the iScan only provides 1 DVI input, I have no choice but to connect this DVD via component to the iScan and feed 480i. This DVD can output 480i/480p/720p/1080i over component or DVI.

I was hoping to keep all inputs to the iScan in the digital domain. Or at least process HD via component. I really like the DVDO for all the reasons pointed out on this forum (tech support, physical design, easy OSD and remote), but I have to admit the Lumagen is a bit more advanced than the iScan.

Guess I'll sleep on this a few more days (since the HD+ is out of stock).

Thanks again!

mimason
12-23-04, 04:33 PM
Originally posted by whsbuss

I use the HMDI/DVI connection and the iScan HD+ does not process 480i via DVI (however, Josh and Adam @ DVDO said they are looking to provide this in a future release).




Two+ months ago when I purchased an Iscan HD I was told by JOSH@DVDO that the new HD+ would be able to pass 480i over DVI.

However, recently another poster in the DVD threads indicated that 480i over DVI for the HD+ may actually be more than just software but hardware based on his conversation with DVDO folks.

I'd really like to know what the answer is since I am considering a player that can pass 480i over HDMI or will I need to SDI my Onkyo SP1000?

whsbuss
12-23-04, 07:10 PM
Originally posted by mimason
Two+ months ago when I purchased an Iscan HD I was told by JOSH@DVDO that the new HD+ would be able to pass 480i over DVI.

However, recently another poster in the DVD threads indicated that 480i over DVI for the HD+ may actually be more than just software but hardware based on his conversation with DVDO folks.

I'd really like to know what the answer is since I am considering a player that can pass 480i over HDMI or will I need to SDI my Onkyo SP1000?

I got an email from ADAM@DVDO two days ago and he said "our engineers are just looking into providing 480i via DVI". The only thing he said the HD+ could not do was process HD via component IN. The iScan was never designed to do this. However he said future products would provide this.

moggy123
12-23-04, 07:57 PM
After reading the many rave reviews on the HD+ here, I made it part of my new home theater setup (along with an Optima H77 and a Escient Fireball DVDM-100).

I love the unit!

Projecting onto a 100" diagonal (90x50) it's clearer than my old 65" RPTV, even close up. Add to that the convenience of a switch and it's a clear winner.

Two questions, though:

1. I initally had the unit stacked amongst my other AV components. I was getting significant screen flash, where the whole screen would momentarily flash green. It go worse as time progressed. I realized that the HD+ was overheating. I've now put it standing alone and raised the unit a little to improve air flow. I still get the occasional flash after long (3+ hours) use. Anybody else experienced this? I'm going to put some computer fans top and bottom to see if I can improve things further.

2. I'm getting snow on the screen. It's only noticable in the blacks. I think it's being introduced by my long (50') DVD-D cable. Anybody else experience this? I'm thinking about getting an optical cable, but I'm a little worried about the adaptors at each end. It's also very pricey, at over $600. Has anybody tried the optical cables?

Thanks for the info. You guys are great!

tubby
12-23-04, 09:07 PM
Originally posted by JimP
Because I would then have to set the satellite receiver to ouput everything at 480p including 1080i. The Voom receiver will allow you to set output to either native resolution, OR 1080, 720, 480p and 480i. So when you set it to anything other than native, you then have everything going to the new resolution.

I primarily bought the HD+ to use with a SDI modded DVD player. These other benefits were secondary.

I was wondering if you see an improvment of VOOMS SD and HDTV signal with the HD+?

JimP
12-23-04, 09:31 PM
Over analog, the HD is pass through. With 480i processed to 480p, the difference is very slight. The TV is a GWIII with some odd resolution that I'll have to work my way up to.

I still have to try the digital out with the front projector.

swatter911
12-24-04, 12:00 AM
Originally posted by moggy123

2. I'm getting snow on the screen. It's only noticable in the blacks. I think it's being introduced by my long (50') DVD-D cable. Anybody else experience this? I'm thinking about getting an optical cable, but I'm a little worried about the adaptors at each end. It's also very pricey, at over $600. Has anybody tried the optical cables?

Thanks for the info. You guys are great!

This may be a DVI problem in the iScan as well as your long cable length. I had green specks and flashes in grays that Josh was able to fix with a beta software for the iScan. You are pushing the limits of DVI with your cable length though. I might try emailing Josh for the software before you go plunking down that much cash for cables. Did I mention the software is FREE?

gonzalc3
12-24-04, 07:51 PM
Hi guys,

Happy holidays! In my setup I have a 47 CRT RPTV with component cables, and a DV SP 1000. My RPTV is capable of 1080 i, so I was wondering if with an ISCAN after scaling up to 1080i and using components Input/output will be able to improve the overall picture quality?

Thanks

Christian

PS My RPTV doesnīt have any DVI/HDMI input.

mimason
12-24-04, 10:03 PM
Gonzalc3, You should see a difference but it depends on how good your scaler is on your display. If the scaler is mediocre then you should see a significant improvement since the Iscan scaler is excellent.

This is not the only benefit though.

gonzalc3
12-25-04, 02:23 PM
Mimason,

Thanks! My CRT RPTV doesnīt have any scaler at all. It only accepts 480i, 480p and 1080i native. So far I am watching DVDs and playing Xbox at 480p and watching TV and VHS movies at 480i. Since I havenīt use my RPTV in 1080i yet, I wanted to use the ISCAN to scale everything to 1080i if its really worth it. If not, then I guess that I will just need to get a better display.
:(

Bytehoven
12-25-04, 04:57 PM
Originally posted by gonzalc3
Hi guys,

Happy holidays! In my setup I have a 47 CRT RPTV with component cables, and a DV SP 1000. My RPTV is capable of 1080 i, so I was wondering if with an ISCAN after scaling up to 1080i and using components Input/output will be able to improve the overall picture quality?

Thanks

Christian

PS My RPTV doesnīt have any DVI/HDMI input.

I think DVDO has a 30 day return policy, so in theory you could test drive a new unit and judge for yourself.

Give DVDO a call and see about test driving a unit.

Rob Tomlin
12-25-04, 10:54 PM
Originally posted by Bytehoven
I think DVDO has a 30 day return policy, so in theory you could test drive a new unit and judge for yourself.

Give DVDO a call and see about test driving a unit.

That's good to know.

Even more incentive to give it a try with my Elite 59avi once they release the firmware to allow 480i via HDMI-DVI!

:)

JimP
12-25-04, 11:14 PM
Rob

Best to wait for the firmware to be released first. Just in case.

whsbuss
12-26-04, 08:11 AM
Originally posted by JimP
Rob

Best to wait for the firmware to be released first. Just in case.

Good point.

According to Adam@DVDO they are just looking providing 480i over DVI so it may be a while before the new release is available.

Rob Tomlin
12-26-04, 10:49 AM
Originally posted by JimP
Rob

Best to wait for the firmware to be released first. Just in case.

Yes.

I thought that's what I said!

:)

Visual-truth
12-26-04, 01:23 PM
All,
I have been evaluating several upconverting DVDs, specifically Onkyo SP-1000. I would like feedback on mating my current DVD Panasonic RP82 with the Iscan HD+ and if this combination would give me a better DVI picture vs. an upconverting DVD.

mimason
12-26-04, 02:13 PM
I doubt you'd see much improvement with the 1000 over the 82 if both are connected to the Iscan.

SDI would be your best bet.

gonzalc3
12-27-04, 01:50 AM
Hi Mimason!

Are you going to SDI mod your DV SP1000?
If so, could you tell me who offers the best deal to do it?

Thanks,

Bytehoven
12-27-04, 02:13 AM
Originally posted by Visual-truth
All,
I have been evaluating several upconverting DVDs, specifically Onkyo SP-1000. I would like feedback on mating my current DVD Panasonic RP82 with the Iscan HD+ and if this combination would give me a better DVI picture vs. an upconverting DVD.

IMHO, the RP-82 480i/480p component feed to the Iscan HD would be superior to the SP1000.

A pure picture quality assessment might fall either way depending on the viewer, but the built in capabilities of the Iscan HD are just phenominal. So even if we would agree the picture performance would be a tie, which I don't agree, the added features and controls of the Iscan combo takes it over the top.

Not to mention the future upgrade potential of the Iscan as better deinterlacing solutions become available from DVDO. There won't be any upgrades for the SP1000, except selling the player and buying something new.

If audio performance remains an issue, maybe there is a middle ground DVD player which could be used with the Iscan instead of the RP-82.

Plus also consider, with both the 480i and 480p option from the RP-82, you would be getting your choice of the best deinterlacing solutions... FLI2200 and SiI504. Not bad.

Adding SDI to the RP-82 & Iscan would make the combo even better, but you get really close with the 480i/480p component feed.

mimason
12-27-04, 08:11 AM
Originally posted by gonzalc3
Hi Mimason!

Are you going to SDI mod your DV SP1000?
If so, could you tell me who offers the best deal to do it?

Thanks,


I am considering this as an option but today is the last day for the JVB special of $475.

Ije
12-28-04, 12:22 AM
I just received my new ISCAN HD+ and have a few problems:

Presently, I have connected my VOOM box via DVI input as well as to Component 2 to the ISCAN and my Integra DPS 10.5 via 480i to Component #1. The VOOM box output is set to 1080i. I am using component outputs from the ISCAN. Mydisplay isthe Hitachi 43UWX10B CRT RPTV.

Problem #1:

The ISCAN HD+ On Screen Display (OSD) features do not show up on my RPTV when using the VOOM component #2 input at 1080i. If I change the VOOM output to 480i, the OSD shows up clearly.

This problem does not exist when I switch over to the VOOM input via DVI to ISCAN

Problem #2:

The curtain feature is not available with the component inputs to the ISCAN. However, it works fine when I switch over to the DVI input to the ISCAN.

Problem #3

I do get some cracking audio noise when switching between DVI and Component #2 inputs on the ISCAN.


Any suggestions on the OSD issue? Is there anything I need to do differently?

By the way, the green processing light stays on when I switch to the 1080i component input from the VOOM box. The VOOM box has 480i, 480P, 720P and 1080i outputs. Any recommendations for best SDI picture quality and OSD functions? HELP ANYONE

moggy123
12-28-04, 02:08 AM
Originally posted by swatter911
This may be a DVI problem in the iScan as well as your long cable length. I had green specks and flashes in grays that Josh was able to fix with a beta software for the iScan. You are pushing the limits of DVI with your cable length though. I might try emailing Josh for the software before you go plunking down that much cash for cables. Did I mention the software is FREE?

Josh sent me a copy of the latest (beta) software before Xmas which I applied today (didn't want to risk losing the unit over the weekend). It seemed to solve all the problems. Over three hours of viewing there wasn't a single flash and the sparklies are almost gone. I'm prepared to believe the few remaining are due to my 50' cable.

So put me on the happy list!

JimP
12-28-04, 02:14 AM
Ije

Me too. Voom with Iscan HD+

Considering that you're outputting your Voom at a fixed 1080i resolution, the Iscan isn't doing anything to the signal. That is unless your outputting at 480p. Have you checked? Otherwise its just passing it through. The light to the right of the front panel of the HD+ shines green, right? That's why you're not getting the on screen display. Evidently, you can only get the display when you're processing a signal which would be indicated with a blue front panel light. What you can do is change the output resolution of the Voom receiver to "Native", that when all 4 light bars illuminate when pressing the red button under the door to the right of Voom receiver faceplate. Then be sure that you're that you're in component two. Actually, you mind as well disconnect the DVI connection between Voom and HD+, its not gaining you anything. On the HD+, change aspect to 4:3, then change output to either 720 or 1080, whichever your TV prefers. This way, your 1080i programming will pass through and your 480i signals are deinterlaced and scaled. Now you may have an issue with color as you are now sending a 720/1080 standard def signal to a TV whose input is expecting a HD color matrix. Not being familiar with your particular TV, I can't say if there is a work around or not.

As an aside, lately the SD channels (or should I say the Sci Fi channel) looks remarkably good. HD has always looked pretty good on Voom. If it wasn't for the matter that I know that SciFi is 480i, I would say that its nearer HD than traditional SD. Don't assume that one of the standard settings on the HD2+will give you as good a picture as using the advanced user setting and adjusting the size based on the internal test patterns.

Happy viewing

swatter911
12-28-04, 11:18 AM
Originally posted by Ije
Problem #1:

The ISCAN HD+ On Screen Display (OSD) features do not show up on my RPTV when using the VOOM component #2 input at 1080i. If I change the VOOM output to 480i, the OSD shows up clearly.

This problem does not exist when I switch over to the VOOM input via DVI to ISCAN

Problem #2:

The curtain feature is not available with the component inputs to the ISCAN. However, it works fine when I switch over to the DVI input to the ISCAN.

Problem #3

I do get some cracking audio noise when switching between DVI and Component #2 inputs on the ISCAN.


Any suggestions on the OSD issue? Is there anything I need to do differently?

By the way, the green processing light stays on when I switch to the 1080i component input from the VOOM box. The VOOM box has 480i, 480P, 720P and 1080i outputs. Any recommendations for best SDI picture quality and OSD functions? HELP ANYONE

Problem #1 - iScan does not process HD analog signals (720p, 1080i) via component. When the iScan senses this, it will go into passthru mode and the LED will shine green and you will not get an OSD menu. It will process the analog 480i and 480p and the LED will be blue and you will see the OSD. The HD+ will process ALL signals over DVI, you should have a blue LED and an OSD regardless of what resolution your Voom box is outputting.

Problem #2 - Curtain doesn't work in passthru.

Problem #3 - I'd email Josh or Adam on that one.

I don't have a Voom box, but I do have an HDTivo. I found the best SD picture came when I fed the iScan a 720p or 1080i resolution via DVI (The HDTIvo doesn't do 'native'). I use the DVI connection all the time and have had no real issues.

SJHT
12-28-04, 02:21 PM
What does curtain do?

Josh@dvdo
12-28-04, 10:52 PM
Originally posted by Ije
Problem #3

I do get some cracking audio noise when switching between DVI and Component #2 inputs on the ISCAN.

What kind of processor/receiver are you connecting the iScan HD+ too?

Josh@dvdo
12-28-04, 10:56 PM
Originally posted by SJHT
What does curtain do?

When you press the curtain button, two black 'curtains' come in from the sides and go all the way to the center of the screen and then back again. It is a feature that could be used in conjunction with macros to add more drama when switching between devices.

ninja.rogue
12-29-04, 02:58 AM
Dear Josh, do you have any news about firmware?
I am waiting for the many-times-previously announced new firmware for HD. Is it coming our way? When?
Thank you
Paolo

george kaplan
12-29-04, 09:10 AM
It's been promised by the end of December, so it should be here by Friday.

JimP
12-29-04, 09:45 AM
I've been trying to do the 1:1 pixel mapping on both my 60" Sony GWIII and a Panasonic AE700.

In displaying the vertical and the horizontal patterns on the HD+, the two displays shows them differently. I think the Panasonic is the one that's right (shows distinct vertical and horizontal lines)and its the Sony that's off.

On the Sony, using either the analog or the digital inputs, the pattern that shows distinct vertical lines at 480p changes to mostly a solid mass of gray with periodic very mild lines when changed to 720p.


I've already read many post in the HTPC section thinking that the technique would be similar. The overall impression I get is that with the GWIII, they're happy to get their system to work at all much less, get 1:1. Some claim that they've achieved 1:1 pixel mapping by also doing service menu adjustments, which sounds like a recipe for trouble.

Are there any directions as to how to achieve 1:1 pixel mapping with the HD+ and what to look for. Having pictures would definitely help.

whsbuss
12-29-04, 09:56 AM
Originally posted by ninja.rogue
Dear Josh, do you have any news about firmware?
I am waiting for the many-times-previously announced new firmware for HD. Is it coming our way? When?
Thank you
Paolo

DVDO is closed until 1/3/05 so I doubt any updates will be posted until then.

Abbas
12-29-04, 12:57 PM
Actually, I was in Anchor Bay Technologies (DVDO) yesterday and there were some people working. It seemed like part of the of the facility was only shut down. So there may be some new software by Friday.

Ije
12-29-04, 02:53 PM
Originally posted by JimP
Ije

Me too. Voom with Iscan HD+

Considering that you're outputting your Voom at a fixed 1080i resolution, the Iscan isn't doing anything to the signal. That is unless your outputting at 480p. Have you checked? Otherwise its just passing it through. The light to the right of the front panel of the HD+ shines green, right? That's why you're not getting the on screen display. Evidently, you can only get the display when you're processing a signal which would be indicated with a blue front panel light. What you can do is change the output resolution of the Voom receiver to "Native", that when all 4 light bars illuminate when pressing the red button under the door to the right of Voom receiver faceplate. Then be sure that you're that you're in component two. Actually, you mind as well disconnect the DVI connection between Voom and HD+, its not gaining you anything. On the HD+, change aspect to 4:3, then change output to either 720 or 1080, whichever your TV prefers. This way, your 1080i programming will pass through and your 480i signals are deinterlaced and scaled. Now you may have an issue with color as you are now sending a 720/1080 standard def signal to a TV whose input is expecting a HD color matrix. Not being familiar with your particular TV, I can't say if there is a work around or not.

As an aside, lately the SD channels (or should I say the Sci Fi channel) looks remarkably good. HD has always looked pretty good on Voom. If it wasn't for the matter that I know that SciFi is 480i, I would say that its nearer HD than traditional SD. Don't assume that one of the standard settings on the HD2+will give you as good a picture as using the advanced user setting and adjusting the size based on the internal test patterns.

Happy viewing

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Thanks JimP:

I changed the VOOM box tonative resolution and aspect ratio to 4:3 and everything now works beautifully. Great. I must say that I actually see significant SD picture quality improvement with the ISCAN HD+ working. So it definitely is doing its magic.

The audio cracking was intermittent and I have not had time to really do anything for a few days now.I hope to test it some more tonite.

Josh, My Pre-Pro is a Lexicon MC-12B v4 and the amp is the Sherbourn 7/2100.


JimP, I agree with you on the SD picture quality on VOOM. I must say that since I started using VOOM, I have been getting the best picture quality out of my SD television sets and they have a few years under their belts to begin with. Its like VOOM is sending the best SD signals of the three services that I have used (TimeWarner cable and Dish Networkinclusive). They do not even come close to VOOM on SD picture quality to regular TV. That alone was significant enough to stick with VOOM despite loosing some of the family favorite channels that we loved watching.

Josh@dvdo
12-29-04, 08:40 PM
Originally posted by ninja.rogue
Dear Josh, do you have any news about firmware?
I am waiting for the many-times-previously announced new firmware for HD. Is it coming our way? When?
Thank you
Paolo

Paolo - As with any technology based product there are delays. The next version of software will not be out this year (week). I know this may seem like symantics to you, but that is why I have been saying the software "should" be out in December, rather than "will". We will release new software, with much improved aspect ratio control and support for anamorphic/panamorphic lenses next. I prefer not to say when it is coming out because engineering is not in this week and I do not know a definite date. I will find out when this software will be on our web site and I will post that info here. As well, software to support 480i over DVI has been delayed. It will not be in the same software as the the improved aspect ratio control. I imagine that both will be out in January, but as I said, I will get the definite answer on when these will be available.

Thank you for your patience and understanding.:cool:

Josh@dvdo
12-29-04, 08:46 PM
Originally posted by JimP
I've been trying to do the 1:1 pixel mapping on both my 60" Sony GWIII and a Panasonic AE700.


AFAIK the Sony GWIII will not accept native resolution, at all. I have read about people getting 1:1 with 56Hz and going into service menus but I have never seen it myself.

SJHT
12-29-04, 09:13 PM
Originally posted by Josh@dvdo
When you press the curtain button, two black 'curtains' come in from the sides and go all the way to the center of the screen and then back again. It is a feature that could be used in conjunction with macros to add more drama when switching between devices.


Is there a reason that you have not implemented this on the iSCAN HD?

LEVESQUE
12-29-04, 10:45 PM
Originally posted by Josh@dvdo
As well, software to support 480i over DVI has been delayed. It will not be in the same software as the the improved aspect ratio control.

So. There is no "hardware limitation" preventing the implementation and support of 480i over DVI then?

It's tough to get a clear answer from DVDO on that subject, and alot of owners of players that can pass 480i over HDMI/DVI would really appreciate a confirmation...

Rob Tomlin
12-29-04, 10:51 PM
I second Levesque's question.

I am not an owner....YET.

I will wait to purchase a unit until they will accept 480i via HDMI-DVI.

Josh@dvdo
12-29-04, 11:05 PM
Originally posted by LEVESQUE
So. There is no "hardware limitation" preventing the implementation and support of 480i over DVI then?

It's tough to get a clear answer from DVDO on that subject, and alot of owners of players that can pass 480i over HDMI/DVI would really appreciate a confirmation...

AFAIK we have not tested 480i over DVI software yet. We think that given the current hardware there should be no problems, but until it is tested I think it is safe to say that we do not guarentee that we will support 480i over DVI. That said, we will do everything we can to make it work.

bokes
12-30-04, 12:31 PM
I have just purchased a HD+ unit.
I am also waiting on a Denon 3910.
I am going into a Samsung HPP5071 plasma.
I am a bit confused- what is the preferred cable connect?
Everyone here seems to be crazy for 480i via DVI. Will that path give the best Picture?
Of course I will test what works best for me. Just looking for feedback on what works best in "theory".

I also ordered the SDI and will have the Denon upgraded. I have heard that's the best way to go. Yes? No?
Thanks.

mintakaX
12-30-04, 12:47 PM
I just bought an HD+ and installed it last night. I have a Sony 777ES dvd changer outputting an interlaced signal via component inputs to the HD+ and a Sony HD200 stb going into the HD+ via dvi-d. The dvi-d output of the HD+ is going into a Sony HS51 LCD projector in the 1080i format . I am VERY pleased with the results ! I think this is a great product.

I am running into one problem however. Sometimes (not always) when switching inputs from the stb to the dvd I get a blue screen with the message "frequency out of range", switching back and forth again has fixed it so far. Any ideas on how to overcome this ? I have not updated the software yet..... will that help ?

Thanks,
Dan

aaronwt
12-30-04, 07:51 PM
Will 480i through the SDI be any better than 480i through the DVI when you are using the iSCANHD+. Will the picture be the same or is there actually a difference? I use an SDI RP82 with an iSCANHD, but my HD set is over 3 years old so I don't have an HDMI/DVI option.

Josh@dvdo
12-30-04, 08:45 PM
aaronwt - This thread should answer your questions about 480i DVI/HDMI versus SDI.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=471734&highlight=hdmi+and+sdi

collinp
12-31-04, 03:41 AM
I couldn't seem to find this answered anywhere, so here goes.

How does the iScan HD+ handle SD / HD color matrix conversion? The new Lumagen scalers apparently are programable in this respect. Are all 480i sources converted from SMPTE C to HD? Are 720p and 1080i left in the HD colorspace? What about 480p?

- Collin

barend
12-31-04, 07:19 AM
Hi all,
Have been plagued by my TH42-PWD6EX plasma to accept dvi PAL from my 3910 player (and my previous Pio 868avi as well). NTSC has always worked fine.
Now I ordered a dvdo PLUS in hopes I can tweak the timings to accomodate the Panny's dvi board...as Gordon (AV Forums, UK) did on a Lumagen.
Impatient bugger as m, downloaded the manual from dvdo and was flabbergasted at all the possibilities there- yummy for the tweaker inside me...:D

Could some kind soul please gimme a hint as to how to:
a) should try to overcome The Problem so I can fulfill My Quest- getting dvi into the Panny?
b) enlighten me why I should or should not go for the Plasma's native resolution or just pick 576p ?

One last question-
As I understood the only important reason for using sdi is that is doesn't sport hdcp checking.
But now I read some postings here and there that seems to point at other issues too, like dvi not being able to address 720 or 1080 (ntsc) ?
Is that true?

Barend :confused:

aaronwt
12-31-04, 08:58 AM
Deja Vu

mintakaX
12-31-04, 11:56 AM
Josh-- I'm not sure why you didn't address my previous question about the HD+ having intermittent problems syncing with my Sony 777ES dvd changer ??? I'd really like to get this fixed if possible.

Thanks,
Dan

Josh@dvdo
12-31-04, 01:11 PM
Originally posted by mintakaX
The dvi-d output of the HD+ is going into a Sony HS51 LCD projector in th 1080i format .

Dan - Is there any reason that you are using 1080i output over 720p? The HS51 has a native resolution of 720p, so I would think that you would get better performance than 1080i out and it may eliminate the problem that you are having.

mintakaX
12-31-04, 01:59 PM
Thanks Josh--- Two reasons I'm using 1080i,neither of them is critical:
1) my previous projector (Yamaha LPX500) couldn't display it, so its a new format for me :)
2) My new projector HS51, has a known problem at 720p that results in about an inch of black on the sides of my screen, but I can live with that.

I'll try 720p output and see if it eliminates the problem.

Thanks

Josh@dvdo
12-31-04, 02:16 PM
Originally posted by mintakaX
2) My new projector HS51, has a known problem at 720p that results in about an inch of black on the sides of my screen, but I can live with that.


If there is an inch of unused screen on either side, does that mean there is distortion in the image because it is squeezed horizontally, or is it cutting off image?

Josh@dvdo
12-31-04, 02:32 PM
Just wondering if there are any JVC-HX1 owners with an HD+. I was hoping to get some direct feedback about the quality improvement with that projector.

mintakaX
12-31-04, 02:37 PM
No distortion and I'm not sure exactly what the problem is, I'm not the right person to ask. The more knowlegable folks are calling it "blanking".

Bytehoven
12-31-04, 02:44 PM
Originally posted by Josh@dvdo
Just wondering if there are any JVC-HX1 owners with an HD+. I was hoping to get some direct feedback about the quality improvement with that projector.

I think AVS member LEVESQUE has such a setup. Drop him a PM.

Josh@dvdo
12-31-04, 02:56 PM
Thanks, Byte.

I knew I knew somebody with one but I couldn't remember who it was.

Scott_R_K
12-31-04, 05:31 PM
Well , now you have my attention...
"We will release new software, with much improved aspect ratio control and support for anamorphic/panamorphic lenses next."

Will this new firmware be in units at CES 2005 ? Will you be able to demonstrate this feature and if so which Anamorphic lens would you be using ?

Scott...........:confused:

LEVESQUE
12-31-04, 05:58 PM
Originally posted by Josh@dvdo
Just wondering if there are any JVC-HX1 owners with an HD+. I was hoping to get some direct feedback about the quality improvement with that projector.

I was waiting for 480i over DVI before posting my impressions about that combo... :D

I'm now using the Pio 59avi at 480p (HDMI) and let the IScan HD+ do the scaling to 1400X788. I'm now trying 480i over component from the 59avi to the IScan since 1 week. But I didn't had the time to compare, with the holidays and everything...

Bypassing the JVC scaling is making a BIG difference to my eyes. The IScan scaling is WAY better. No ringing anymore, no more artifacts, and less noise in the background. The image is now crystal clear, and noise-free. There was an anoying "ringing" with some DVDs that is now gone by matching the projector non-standard native resolution with the IScan.

This compared to the Denon 59avi and Denon 5900 at 720p or 1080i directly to the HX1, with the projector scaling at 1400X788 ("Panel" setting). I did try the Momitsu also before, to match the native resolution of my projector, but the PQ with the IScan is better.

The IScan is also helping the 59avi alot. I was able to spot some CUE error sometimes, and looking at those same scenes with the HD+, almost 99% of that problem is now gone.

I was using a Denon 5900-SDI modded with the IScan HD before the 59avi, but I just sold it to a friend... That was the best PQ I ever got on my HX1. But I was hoping to use my 59avi at 480i over DVI... I really hope DVDO won't let us down on that one. Or else I will have to buy my 5900-SDI back! :D

The IScan is an awesome match for the JVC D-ILA projectors. I know it's not 1080p, but my picture never looked "like HD" then that before. I know it's not true HD, but I think it's the closest I will get to it with a 480i DVD...

The IScan is the perfect match, IMHO, for the JVC HX1 and the new HX2.

bokes
12-31-04, 06:53 PM
Just installed a HD+ to my SamsungHPP5071 plasma.
I'm going into the HD+ component through a pioneerPRV9000 while my Denon3910 gets upgraded for SDI. The Pioneer outputs 480 only.
I'm going out to the plasma DVI.
2 questions- The scaler knocks out my picture adjust controls on the Samsung. I can't calibrate the image. Is this normal? is it because of the DVI?
Also, the image size of most of my DVD's needed to be slightly adjusted to fill the screen. Again, normal?
Should I use the ZOOM or OVERSCAN function for re-sizing the image?

Thanks for any help.

Josh@dvdo
12-31-04, 06:55 PM
Originally posted by Scott_R_K
Well , now you have my attention...
"We will release new software, with much improved aspect ratio control and support for anamorphic/panamorphic lenses next."

Will this new firmware be in units at CES 2005 ? Will you be able to demonstrate this feature and if so which Anamorphic lens would you be using ?

AFAIK we will be showing this software at CES. I have been Alpha testing for a couple of weeks and it seems like we have worked out all the bugs. We will not have a front projector set up but we will be able to demonstrate this software on either a 50" plasma or RP-DLP.

Josh@dvdo
12-31-04, 07:01 PM
Originally posted by bokes
Just installed a HD+ to my SamsungHPP5071 plasma.
I'm going into the HD+ component through a pioneerPRV9000 while my Denon3910 gets upgraded for SDI. The Pioneer outputs 480 only.
I'm going out to the plasma DVI.
2 questions- The scaler knocks out my picture adjust controls on the Samsung. I can't calibrate the image. Is this normal? is it because of the DVI?
Also, the image size of most of my DVD's needed to be slightly adjusted to fill the screen. Again, normal?
Should I use the ZOOM or OVERSCAN function for re-sizing the image?

Thanks for any help.

Having the picture controls locked out on the display is typical when using a DVI connection. You can adjust the picture with the iScan's controls for your sources. Some controls will be grayed out on the iScan depending on which connection you are using from your sources.

You could use either 'Zoom' or 'Overscan' to correct the issue with your DVDs. Based on your statement that most of your DVDs need to be slightly adjusted, I assume that some do not need to be adjusted. Based on that, I would use the 'Zoom' feature, as it easier to adjust on a case by case basis, given there is direct acces on the remote.

Josh@dvdo
12-31-04, 07:11 PM
Thanks Alain for the review on the HX-1/HD+ combo.:)

gandley
01-01-05, 02:10 AM
Is there going to be a new version of the HD+ that will feature HDMI inputs. And will this unit then pass 480i/576i via HDMI as well?

(taken from the rumour wheel)

danielo
01-01-05, 08:46 AM
Originally posted by gandley
Is there going to be a new version of the HD+ that will feature HDMI inputs. And will this unit then pass 480i/576i via HDMI as well?

(taken from the rumour wheel)

They allready showed prototypes with multiple hdmi's instead of dvi so that seems a given. They also told us that they are working on a 480i support so its a good guess that will also be included to the HD/HD+ and possible new models.

Daniel.

danielo
01-01-05, 08:58 AM
Originally posted by Josh@dvdo
AFAIK we will be showing this software at CES. I have been Alpha testing for a couple of weeks and it seems like we have worked out all the bugs. We will not have a front projector set up but we will be able to demonstrate this software on either a 50" plasma or RP-DLP.

Josh will this also support the 'vertical shift' so we can shift 2.35 and higher lower in its 1280x720 (for example) output buffer ? Several of us asked a while back but never got a clear reply. We can use this to shift the whole image down on a frontprojector to get a better 2/3 height to eyes ratio. Several brands started to add this to their projectors but disable it for native mode (makes sense i guess).

For me this is one of the few things missing from the hd+.

Daniel.

PS: Not sure who is interested but i started to create a gilder (rs232 controlling software) control file based on the rs232 info provided. First results are very nice so yell if someone else wants something like this. Ill also post some more requests to dvdo on the rs232 protocol :)

gandley
01-01-05, 10:28 AM
Thanks that sounds real good, any idea on a release date approx?

bokes
01-01-05, 03:31 PM
My second day with the HD+ and I now have flashing lines scrolling through vertical down the screen. It does this on cable and DVD.
Has anyone seen this?
I also notice a slight flicker on black screen- (when a DVD is in stop mode)
Could it be the DVI cable? It's a monster 15ft.
thanks.

Carl
01-02-05, 02:40 AM
Originally posted by Josh@dvdo
The 'curtain' feature will be activated in the next software version, the same one with improved aspect ratio control.

Josh,

I'm an owner of an IScan HD. I'm interested to know when the next firmware will be out for the HD. I'm also interested to hear more about the Aspect Ratio Control. Thanks.

Carl

Tom Edge
01-02-05, 03:36 AM
I have a couple of qeuries concerning the HD+ :

If I input SDI, which outputs is this available from ?

How is the firmware upgrade getting on to allow 480i / 576i into the DVI input ?

If I buy the HD+ without SDI and then buy the SDI module a couple of months later, can I install the module myself ?

Many thanks

Tom.

HooStat
01-02-05, 04:17 AM
SDI should be available from both the analog and DVI outputs.
I installed my SDI module myself. I think you have to do the installation, but perhaps someone sells it pre-installed. It was extraordinarily easy (good instructions).

Tom Edge
01-02-05, 05:42 AM
Thanks for that.

Another question:

If I input component video, can I output this through DVI ?

Tom.

whsbuss
01-02-05, 08:11 AM
Originally posted by Tom Edge
Thanks for that.

Another question:

If I input component video, can I output this through DVI ?

Tom.

The answer is a qualified yes. However HD formats (720/1080) input over component will pass-thru to the analog output.

Denner
01-02-05, 10:30 AM
Just got my self an HD+ but I am not as happy as I should be...
The HD+ has some serius problems deinterlacing PAL material and on top of that i just read that it won't accept 480i and 576i via the DVI input (my main reson for buing it)....

On the plus side the NTSC deinterlacing ang scaling are stellar :-)

My problems, I hawe my Pioneer DV-575 A, connected via component and outputting 480i / 576i to my HD+ and then the HD+ is connected via DVI to my plasma screen ;

1. The HD+ locks into video deinterlacing on the following pal dvd's and a lot more;

MULAN (R2 Denmark)
THE ROAD TO EL DORADO (R2 Denmark, Dream Works)
STAR WARS EPISODE 2 (R2 Denmark, Lucas Film, but every second time it does the right thing and locks in to film mode)
TREASURE PLANET (R2 Denmark, Disney)

I hawe tried selecting the auto and film bias in the setup minu on the HD+ but it dos not make a difference....

2. I just read that the HD+ will not deinterlace 480i/576i via the DVI input????


Can anybody help me, Josh@dvdo, anybody HELP.....

Best Regards
Dennis
(Denmark)

oferlaor
01-02-05, 10:47 AM
Denner,

How can you tell that it's in video mode for those titles?

whsbuss
01-02-05, 10:57 AM
Denner,

DVDO is looking into a software release in January that will allow 480i/567i via DVI input.

Denner
01-02-05, 01:10 PM
@ whsbuss.

Thats good to know that you are looking in to the 480i/576i problem and I am glad to hear that :-)

But what about the deinterlacing problems, the SiI 504 chipset should be able to deinterlace those titles I mentioned properly, my old HTPC has no problem deinterlacing them properly, I just force TheaterTek into film mode and everything lookes nice but with the HD+ i get stair stepping on the diagonal lines ????

@ oferlaor.

Its easy just look for stair stepping on diagonal lines and on general up and down movement....

Best Regards
Dennis

whsbuss
01-02-05, 03:10 PM
Originally posted by Denner
@ whsbuss.

Thats good to know that you are looking in to the 480i/576i problem and I am glad to hear that :-)

But what about the deinterlacing problems, the SiI 504 chipset should be able to deinterlace those titles I mentioned properly, my old HTPC has no problem deinterlacing them properly, I just force TheaterTek into film mode and everything lookes nice but with the HD+ i get stair stepping on the diagonal lines ????

@ oferlaor.

Its easy just look for stair stepping on diagonal lines and on general up and down movement....

Best Regards
Dennis

Maybe Josh@DVDO can answer that question. Try to PM him.

oferlaor
01-03-05, 03:38 AM
Denner,

2:2 pulldown is plain hard to do. I found the iScan HD to do a pretty good job on most titles. I'm wondering what might be specific in those sources that could be throwing it off.

Denner
01-03-05, 09:57 AM
I'm also wondering whats wrong, my old HTPC and my crappy Samsung 935 has no problems with these titles, on the Samsung it could be the DCDI hiding the artifactcs :-)

Best Regards
Denner

Bytehoven
01-03-05, 12:21 PM
Originally posted by oferlaor
Denner,

2:2 pulldown is plain hard to do. I found the iScan HD to do a pretty good job on most titles. I'm wondering what might be specific in those sources that could be throwing it off.

Can you mention a few titles that definitely benefit from 2:2?

oferlaor
01-03-05, 05:42 PM
LOTR zone 2.

BillBragg
01-04-05, 09:10 PM
I'm about to bite on an HD+ and wanted to clear up one thing that's been bothering me. I will feed only two sources to the HD+, one an SDI modified Denon 2910 (via SDI obviously) and a Hughes HR10-250 via the HDMI out into the HD+ DVI IN w/ a simple DVI2HDMI cable.

It occurs to me that on SD material coming from the HD Tivo box their HDMI port will likely be outputting 480i. But will the DVI input on the DVDO box accept a potential 480i signal?

Does anyone have any experience with the HD Tivo combined with a DVDO HD+ for de-interlacing and scaling?

Josh Z
01-04-05, 09:26 PM
Josh, I've been thinking about doing the HD-to-HD+ upgrade and I notice that one of the authorized service depots is here in Massachusetts (HomeTheatrix). I tried giving them a call at the number provided on the DVDO web site a few times, but never get through. There's no answer, and no company answering machine, just a generic "The number you have dialed is not available" voicemail message. They also don't seem to have an official web site of their own.

Is this place legitimate? Seems pretty shady.

I'd prefer to go with the local place rather than ship, though.

bokes
01-05-05, 08:16 AM
Confused as to what Frame rate I should use.
3:2, 2:2 pulldown, 50hz, 60hz, 48Hz 72Hz...etc. I'm sorry- I just don't understand any of it.
I am coming out of a Denon 3910 via SDI. Several settings seem to work, but What is the correct Framrate Hz I should be set to?
Thanks.

whsbuss
01-05-05, 09:38 AM
Originally posted by BillBragg
I'm about to bite on an HD+ and wanted to clear up one thing that's been bothering me. I will feed only two sources to the HD+, one an SDI modified Denon 2910 (via SDI obviously) and a Hughes HR10-250 via the HDMI out into the HD+ DVI IN w/ a simple DVI2HDMI cable.

It occurs to me that on SD material coming from the HD Tivo box their HDMI port will likely be outputting 480i. But will the DVI input on the DVDO box accept a potential 480i signal?

Does anyone have any experience with the HD Tivo combined with a DVDO HD+ for de-interlacing and scaling?

The HD+ cannot process 480i via the DVI input yet. DVDO has promised a software update (end of January?) to allow this. Others with the HD-Tivo have set the output at 1080i so the HD+ could de-interlace the signal.

Hope this helps.

swatter911
01-05-05, 09:50 AM
Originally posted by BillBragg
I'm about to bite on an HD+ and wanted to clear up one thing that's been bothering me. I will feed only two sources to the HD+, one an SDI modified Denon 2910 (via SDI obviously) and a Hughes HR10-250 via the HDMI out into the HD+ DVI IN w/ a simple DVI2HDMI cable.

It occurs to me that on SD material coming from the HD Tivo box their HDMI port will likely be outputting 480i. But will the DVI input on the DVDO box accept a potential 480i signal?

Does anyone have any experience with the HD Tivo combined with a DVDO HD+ for de-interlacing and scaling?

I have my HDTivo hooked up in the fashion you propose. The HD+ will not accept 480i over the HDMI/DVI connection, it goes into passthrough. The best results I obtained, for both SD and HD, was to feed the iScan a 720p signal from the HDTivo. This produced a much better picture than 480p via DVI or 480i via S-video.

JimP
01-05-05, 10:07 AM
swatter

Sounds like you're not using the DVDO to scale. With it only doing the deinterlacing, do you really see much of a difference than going direct?

Ije
01-05-05, 06:35 PM
I just received my ISCAN HD+ less than 2 weeks ago and everything seems to be working fine except for a few quirks.

Presently, I am running a component 480i signal fom my Integra DPS 10.5 with ver 1.02 software into the ISCAN and VOOM component input at native resolution to the ISCAN. I am using breakout component cables and have switched all audio i/o to fiber optic.

1)

I have had about 2 or 3 episodes of the ISCAN locking up. Essentially all I get on the Hitachi RPTV is a grayish blank screen that slowly fades off or on when I try selecting a different input. The only way I can restore everything is by doing a complete power down, unplugging the power plug temporarily. Afte I plug it back on, everything seems to be fine.

I have checked the software version and it says

Ver 2.02-5.6-2.32


Has anyone noticed this kind of issue and I need help verifying if this is the latest software for the ISCAN HD+. I checked the website and the last number I believe says 2.30 on the software download page and I need help deciphering the DVDO revision convention.

2)

Tried programming the ISCAN to the MX-800 remote, any suggestion on tweaks. Macros are not working perfectly yet being integrated with the A/V setups. So far, pointing at ISCAN and making changes seems to be the best way . :confused:

Thanks for any help in this regard.

Abbas
01-05-05, 07:33 PM
Anyone know if there is a discrete RC code for the 'on' and 'off' buttons and where I can get them.

Thanx,

abbas

SJHT
01-05-05, 09:13 PM
Originally posted by Abbas
Anyone know if there is a discrete RC code for the 'on' and 'off' buttons and where I can get them.

Thanx,

abbas

You can get a CCF file for the iSCAN HD on the DVDO website. The file has discrete on and off (as well as many others). I recently loaded it into my MX3000 and they work fine. SJ

swatter911
01-05-05, 10:00 PM
Originally posted by JimP
Sounds like you're not using the DVDO to scale. With it only doing the deinterlacing, do you really see much of a difference than going direct?

It's notoriously difficult to get 1:1 pixel mapping with my display, a Sony 70XBR950. I can't completely elliminate the scaling of the set. I have A/B'd the picture from the Tivo using the iScan and without. Using the iScan has resulted in a more defined picture when viewing SD material, to my eyes. My friends noticed a difference in the PQ after I installed the iScan, they commented on how the picture seemed clearer. 480i over S-video was very soft and 480p over DVI was very jagged. A 720p output has given me the best results, I imagine because it's closest to the 788 lines (or is it 786???) that the display outputs to the LCD panels. The difference is subtle, but it is noticable.

SJHT
01-05-05, 11:27 PM
Originally posted by SJHT
You can get a CCF file for the iSCAN HD on the DVDO website. The file has discrete on and off (as well as many others). I recently loaded it into my MX3000 and they work fine. SJ

Well, I spoke too soon. They work fine for a while and then they don't work. Seems strange like the unit quits accepting the commands. Even when they are working, the unit light "flickers" when receiving them, like it is turning the unit on/off or something. I wonder if it gets overloaded and locks up. Who knows....

Anyway, the best way that I have found is to use the AUTO (which always turns the unit on) instead of a discrete on. If you want to turn the unit off, use AUTO followed by the POWER button. SJ

Abbas
01-06-05, 12:30 AM
SJHT - That is a great idea with the AUTO. Thanx. I have a MX3000 too. Real nice remote.

Abbas
01-07-05, 01:23 AM
Checked the DVDO website and there is new software download up for the ISCan HD+. Ther software revision version is 5.6-2.32 and was released on January 5th.

collinp
01-07-05, 01:33 AM
From the site :

iScan HD+ 5.6-2.32 Software Release (January 5, 2005)

This software applies to iScan HD+ models only, and must not be loaded into HD units.

This software version fixes the following bugs in version 5.6-2.30

DVI Passthru Mode (DPTH)
This version passes HDCP for DVI Passthru mode.

Incorrect Film Bias Mode Setting
This version ensures that correct Film Bias mode parameters are set for iScan HD+.

Information Screen Displays Incorrect Framerate
The iScan HD+ can report the wrong framerate on the Information Screen. This is corrected in this version.

DVI Transmitter Output Noise as High Resolutions
This version fixes a DVI Transmitter setup bug for DVI output at higher resolutions.

Color Flashing
This version fixes "color flashing" seen in some iScan HD+ units

SJHT
01-07-05, 09:44 AM
Anybody know what DVDO is showing at CES? I read that it is their iSCAN HD++++ (with HDMI switching capabilities). When is this product going to hit the market?

JKA/V
01-07-05, 02:21 PM
It won't hit for a few months, likely Q2 of 05

Jason

suzukino
01-10-05, 07:07 AM
I am posting this here in hopes someone might be able to help me get my iScan working properly again. I've emailed iScan support but learned after searching the other threads that all the iScan employees are at CES and there's no one to respond to customer support inquiries until after next week. I could not find a thread that addressed this problem. Maybe there is, but I didn't see it.
I've used it very little since buying it just two months ago, but everything has worked fine. However, now it appears to be dead. The power/standby LED only lights, but very very briefly (like a very short flash) it lights blue when I press the power/standby button. Other than that, there's no illumination at all. The front panal display intermittantly displays "DVDO." It doesn't respond to anything I try to do. Even unplugging it and plugging it back in does nothing. I can't find anything in the manual describing this kind of behavior. The remote does nothing. I may be forced to wait for DVDO to return and wait for them to get around to my question, but I'd really like to be able to fix it now because I use it as a part of a multimedia presentation system and I have a class going on all this week. I hate to have to go in and change all the cables around if I can avoid it. Any help would greatly appreciated!
Thanks!
suzukino

suzukino
01-10-05, 07:14 AM
Oops! I see this is the thread for iScan HD +! I have the regular non+ iScan HD. Sorry. Too late now to change now, but if anyone can help, I'd appreciate it.

Hughman
01-10-05, 08:00 AM
suzukino,

I've had the exact same thing happen a few times with my HD. The panel selection buttons won't resond and the remote work doesn't appear to work. I honestly don't exactly recall the series of events which fixed the problem (flurry of button pressing) but I believe pressing the proper "input select" button on the remote has more than once resolved the issue. I've also replaced or shuffled the batteries and quite possibly coincidentally that along with the "input select" solved the problem.

Good luck.

mimason
01-10-05, 02:32 PM
The sp1000 does not offer 480i over HDMI but it DOES offer SI504 deinterlacing with 480p via HDMI.

Question. Is there a benefit of HDMI 480i and letting the Iscan HD+ do the deinterlacing compared to a HDMI 480P feed from a SP1000 to Iscan HD+? Is it still a pure digital path? If so, then the SP1000 could be a better value considering there is no need to SDI the unit.

bokes
01-10-05, 09:24 PM
Anyone try the new upgrade?
I upgraded to eliminate scrolling white lines in native resolution 1366x768.
The first night- everything worked fine. The next day- everything is messed up.
1- the lines are back- not as bad- but they are there.
I switched format to 1280x768. That gets rid of the lines- but now I have random flashes/flicker
I read the new firmware was suppose to fix "flashing".
But I didn't have the "flashing before I updated.
Now my screen is flashing like crazy.

Besides my issues- the picture is excellent- but these minor issues defeat the purpose. I spend more time setting up, downloading software, switching inputs and conducting overall quality control- than watching films.
I just want to watch the top notch high quality image I paid for.

Is the HD+ buggy? does this new firmware work? Is my unit defective?
thanks.

Abbas
01-11-05, 03:02 AM
I upgraded too but I am not getting all the problems that you listed. I notice very occasional and rare white artifacting.

suzukino
01-11-05, 03:26 AM
Thanks Hugh2,
I appreciate your help.
I was not able to get it to respond. It shows an error code on the display:
ERR-FE00-C8-011F
I hope once the CES is over, the iScan folks will be able to help. Too bad this ocurred during my weeklong training classes. ;<(

barend
01-11-05, 03:43 AM
Any idea what the numerical pad on the remote is for?
Would've been nice to call user settings from there, but nope...
Pic thru dvi is fantastic, but remote receiver sucks...very short range.
Barend

barend
01-11-05, 03:44 AM
Originally posted by suzukino
Thanks Hugh2,
I appreciate your help.
I was not able to get it to respond. It shows an error code on the display:
ERR-FE00-C8-011F
I hope once the CES is over, the iScan folks will be able to help. Too bad this ocurred during my weeklong training classes. ;<(

Bear in mind it's a normal 1:1 RS232 cable you want, NOT a null modem cable as on many upgradeable kit.

bokes
01-11-05, 08:21 AM
Abbas,

Did you have any problems before you did the upgrade?
I can understand it not solving my scan line issue completely. (oh well)
But I really can't understand why the update has introduced a problem it is designed to fix.
I have an email into DVDO support dept. about it.

Hughman
01-11-05, 08:30 AM
Originally posted by suzukino
Thanks Hugh2,
I appreciate your help.
I was not able to get it to respond. It shows an error code on the display:
ERR-FE00-C8-011F
I hope once the CES is over, the iScan folks will be able to help. Too bad this ocurred during my weeklong training classes. ;<(

Follow this link to a post by Josh from DVDO, it explains how to do a factory reset. Might as well give it a try to see if it solves your problem.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=4852085&highlight=factory+reset#post4852085

mintakaX
01-11-05, 12:24 PM
If I set the power led config option to auto, the led blinks blue after all of my input sources are turned off, this is true whether auto-standby is on or off. Anyone elese have this issue ?

Also, I upgraded the software last night and have noticed no problems so far.

suzukino
01-12-05, 06:05 AM
Thanks Hugh2. I tried to do the factory reset as described in the link, but it had no effect at all. It's pretty frustrating to have this happen after only two months of extremely minimal use and then not receive any technical support at all. I don't think I'm iScan's happiest customer at this point.

barend
01-12-05, 07:08 AM
I had no response to my e mail to dvdo either, suppose it's the CES, I believe they're all but closed right now.
Maybe you'd better give them a ring next week.
An e mail is more easily discarded than a live person...
If this is any comfort, Lumagen NEVER replied to any of my informative e mails, so I bought an Iscan in Germany.

MRaitio
01-12-05, 04:42 PM
barend, whos selling Iscan in Germany, and how for much? Maybe the european prices are ok to tell in here?

Scott_R_K
01-12-05, 04:45 PM
Hi Josh ,

Nice to have met you at CES and finally put a face to a name . Too bad I didn't check back later to see if you had the new Beta firmware working as I have a few questions .

We learned something new from Joe Kane , over at the Samsung display , that most Projectors are not reproducing the required BT-709 colorspace for HD sources but rather using the BT-601 SD colorspace . His new DVE Pro DVD Test set has patterns that will show , quite clearly , which colorspace your PJ is using.

My question is whether the conversion from BT-601 to BT-709 can be done external to the PJ , as in the IScan-HD+ , or must be done in the PJ ?

Another question , when scaling inputs to an HD resolution from an SD source is the colorspace affected at all ?

Hopefully this question hasn't already been covered .

Scott............

collinp
01-12-05, 09:32 PM
Originally posted by Scott_R_K
Hi Josh ,

Nice to have met you at CES and finally put a face to a name . Too bad I didn't check back later to see if you had the new Beta firmware working as I have a few questions .

We learned something new from Joe Kane , over at the Samsung display , that most Projectors are not reproducing the required BT-709 colorspace for HD sources but rather using the BT-601 SD colorspace . His new DVE Pro DVD Test set has patterns that will show , quite clearly , which colorspace your PJ is using.

My question is whether the conversion from BT-601 to BT-709 can be done external to the PJ , as in the IScan-HD+ , or must be done in the PJ ?

Another question , when scaling inputs to an HD resolution from an SD source is the colorspace affected at all ?

Hopefully this question hasn't already been covered .

Scott............

I too am very curious how my iScan handles colorspace conversion. I asked a question earlier on this thread, but got no response. Things look good on my setup, but I'm surprised that this is not documented in the manual or website.

- Collin

qbbian
01-13-05, 01:38 AM
Originally posted by barend
If this is any comfort, Lumagen NEVER replied to any of my informative e mails, so I bought an Iscan in Germany.

Barend,

I would like to clear things up on this one. Yes I've joined Lumagen for just 3 months, but as far as I can tell, we've replied every single email ever sent to support@lumagen.com during this period.

Did you send your email directly to Lumagen, or did you send them to one of our distributors in Europe?

Brian

barend
01-13-05, 04:48 AM
No, obviously I did not send to support as I wanted to buy one, after I had been informed by a lady on the phone I could order direct, as (at the time at least) there was no Dutch rep.
I sent several e mails to sales@lumagen.com and never had a reply, so I decided I did not want to deal with the company.
Ordered an Iscan HD+ and I am very happy with it so in a way I am now content with Lumagen's sales dept being so arrogant (or sloppy).

RichB
01-13-05, 09:14 AM
barend,

If you use spam filtering, it is possible that the reply was filtered out.
Unfortunately, Email has become less reliable...

-- Rich

barend
01-13-05, 09:47 AM
No sir,
I look what's on the server and delete there.

Ije
01-13-05, 09:41 PM
I am curious about the format setting on my new ISCAN HD+.

First let me say the ISCAN seems to be working ok. Blue light comes on when its processing and aspect ratios are fine.HD signals pass throu unprocessed hence green light. Running component breakout cables straight into a HITACHI 43UWX10B CRT RPTV.

Now this is what I noticed last nite:

I changed my output format from 1080i to 540P just to compare. Ecverything seemed to work fine. The hitachi handled the 540P signal well enough.No problems.

After about 1 hour of so, I changed it back to 1080i to check for PQ differences. Then I switched it back to 540P. Lo and behold, the the signal started flashing and jumping and the Hitachi could not display it properly. I tried several times switching back and forth to 1080i but the 540P signal just refused to work again.

Well out of curiosity, I decided to scroll and try other formats and was I surprised whn I selected the 720P output format. IT WORKED!

The Hitachi CRT RPTV is perfectly displaying a 720P output from the ISCAN HD+. Now how could this be?

I then went back to the 540P and still problems. I could not get the TV to again properly display the signal again. So now I left the output on 720P.

Now, I once tried a 720P DVI signal from my VOOM box to the ISCAN for scaling to 1080i, the signal was useless.

I plan on sending it again tonite and see what happens with the 720P output from the ISCAN HD+

Anyone experienced this before? Seems to be very strange behaviour going on here.

My ISCAN HD+ softaware matches the current software version on the DVDO website FWIW.

Josh Z
01-13-05, 09:57 PM
Originally posted by Ije
Well out of curiosity, I decided to scroll and try other formats and was I surprised whn I selected the 720P output format. IT WORKED!

The Hitachi CRT RPTV is perfectly displaying a 720P output from the ISCAN HD+. Now how could this be?

I'd assume that the Hitachi is capable of accepting a 720p signal, but scales it to 1080i. This would mean that you're scaling the signal twice, once in the iScan and again in the TV.

Abbas
01-13-05, 11:55 PM
I am having a different kind of problem with my IScan HD+. I have connected directly to 45" Sharp panel to achieved 1080p. I have a HDTivo plugged into the DVI port of the IScan. For some reason and at random times, the screen on my panel will go Blue. This seems to be a HDCP problem but it happens at random times. Sometimes, I turn on/off the IScan and the problem may or may not be fixed.

Abbas

Josh@dvdo
01-17-05, 04:59 PM
quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by CJayB
So let me address this to DVDO:
I'm no longer going to ask when we're getting the new software capabilities, but could we maybe at least get a brief rundown of the features that are planned for the next major (as opposed to bugfix) update for the HD and HD+?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



I will answer this question and due to the impatience of several members, never again speak about future features on either current or upcoming DVDO products.

The next big software release for iScan HD/HD+ will have these changes:

Under the 'Aspect Ratio' menu:
The ability to define the 'Frame AR' - either 4:3 or 16:9
The ability to define the 'Active Input AR' - presets are 1.33:1, 1.55:1, 1.66:1, 1.78:1, 1.85:1, 2.35:1 and a user-defined preset
Preset Aspect Ratios - 3 predefined ratios (4:3, LBX, and 16:9) and 4 user-definable presets.

Under the 'Output Setup' menu:
The ability to define the 'Display AR' (4:3, 5:4, 16:9, 2.35:1, or user-defined), the Active Area (4:3, 16:9, 2.35:1 or user-defined) and the ability to adjust for overscan in the 'Underscan' adjustments'
We hope to implement 'Display Profiles' in this software as well.

barend
01-17-05, 05:37 PM
Exactly what I wanted to keep the blasted logo's out of sight by pressing a butting instead of rezooming...
Now the ability to get the test pics on my screen and I'm a happy man!
Tried most of everything but it doesn't work...
Can't wait!

Barend
Denon 3910 dvd
Iscan HD+ (picture solidifier)
Pan. TH42-PWD6EX + DVI board
Arcam 3910 receiver
Arcam CD82t cd
:p

whsbuss
01-17-05, 08:55 PM
Josh,

Thank you the information. I'm not trying to be impatient, but is there anything regarding 480i procssing via DVI input?

Abbas
01-17-05, 10:04 PM
Ok everyone, regarding my previous post with the Blue Screen, it is was not the IScan. Something else was getting switched in my system by mistake. To anyone who is interested in the IScan HD+, I would say BUY IT. It has really changed my viewing experience. HDTIVO scaled to 1080p looks fantastic. I turned off the Fardouja DCDi scaler on my Kenwood Sovereign DVD player and just used the scaler in the IScan to convert to 1080p and the picture quality is very close to HD (thru component cables). I had people over the other nite and we were watching the Italian Job from a DVD and everyone thought it was an HD feed.

Abbas

barend
01-18-05, 03:45 AM
Just wondering, could I switch off deinterlacing of my 3910 Denon in dvi/hdmi mode and let the iscan hd+ do the job?
I know I can set it to non-progressive, but that doesn't seem to make any difference. Using PAL 576 here.
Anyone?:confused:

DanHouck
01-18-05, 07:05 AM
Josh, with no request about time frame, are you all looking at putting the HQV chip in a future model of the HD+? Apparently the competition will be coming out with HQV equipped models this summer. It makes a lot more sense to me to have this chip in the scaler than replicated in the sources such as what Denon has done with their new high-end DVD player.

One quick comment in addition to the above, I am sure you have heard this before but just want to reinforce it--you need more than one DVI input. At least three would be better. Simpler is better in HT and the logical place for source switching is at the VP level. I would definitely pay extra for this feature.

Anyone--will the HD+ vertically stretch a 16:9 image on a 4:3 display so an anamorphic lens can be used? For example, vertically stretch the 16:9 output of an HDTV tuner to 4:3 on an XGA LCD?

Dan

Jasonjo
01-18-05, 07:37 AM
Originally posted by barend
Just wondering, could I switch off deinterlacing of my 3910 Denon in dvi/hdmi mode and let the iscan hd+ do the job?
I know I can set it to non-progressive, but that doesn't seem to make any difference. Using PAL 576 here.
Anyone?:confused:

barend,

I output 480i/576i from my Denon 3800 into the iscan...by outputting interlaced, as I understand it, the Iscan then does the deinterlacing in order to send the screen a progressive signal.

The key question I guess is whether you can send 480i/576i out of your HDMI/DVI outputs...have a play with the settings and then look at the HD information screen to see if you are inputting interlaced. If so, the HD is then doing your deinterlacing ;)

Cheers

JJ

JimP
01-18-05, 07:44 AM
In case you're unaware, the HD+ doesn't accept 480i over DVI. Not sure about 576i. Maybe someone else can comment about 576I over DVI.

Jasonjo
01-18-05, 07:50 AM
Thanks Jim, didn't realise that as I am not currently using DVI...I should have classified that I also use analogue component from my Denon...

Just checked the manual and it only seems to accept 480P and 576P...

JJ

Jasonjo
01-18-05, 07:52 AM
On a similar note, does anyone happen to know if the HD/HD+ SDI module has limitations like this?

JJ

JimP
01-18-05, 08:04 AM
Jasonjo

SDI is intended for 480i (576i???). The whole point is that you pick up a digital 480i signal from your sat box, dvd player, etc and send this signal to the Iscan for processing.

As my Denon 5900 is due to return this afternoon from SDI modification, I'm really interested to see how much difference it makes.

Jasonjo
01-18-05, 08:19 AM
Jim,

Thanks...

Thats really spooky as I am just about to send my DVD-3800 away for an SDI mod this week!!!

I too am interested in your views after the mod - I assume you currently use the component outputs? I assume you will be inputting to the Iscan SDI module?

Please post your results or drop me a PM with the results as the 5900 and 3800 are pretty similar I think...

Cheers

JJ

Will_Morr
01-18-05, 08:43 AM
JimP,

I'm considering the 5900 SDI mod myself and would really appreciate your comments on your results. I'm currently outputing 480i through component to the HD+ to avoid the Faroudja macroblocking and I'm quite pleased with the result on a 50 inch Samsung DLP. Thanks in advance.

Bill

JimP
01-18-05, 08:57 AM
Will be glad to post my result.

Not sure if it would be more appropriate in the DVD forum or over here.

Abbas
01-18-05, 01:24 PM
barend - If you are turning off the deinterlacing on your Denon and you dont see a difference, it is because your TV is doing scaling of its own.

Josh@dvdo
01-18-05, 06:05 PM
Originally posted by whsbuss
Josh,

Thank you the information. I'm not trying to be impatient, but is there anything regarding 480i procssing via DVI input?

As posted earlier, our engineers are working on software to support 480i/576i over DVI for the HD+. This software has not been tested so until it has been, it is not guarenteed that we will support 480i/576i over DVI. There is no specific date for the release of this software.

whsbuss
01-19-05, 07:18 AM
Originally posted by Josh@dvdo
As posted earlier, our engineers are working on software to support 480i/576i over DVI for the HD+. This software has not been tested so until it has been, it is not guarenteed that we will support 480i/576i over DVI. There is no specific date for the release of this software.

As always, thanks for the update!

JimP
01-19-05, 06:44 PM
I was noticing that the red input light stays on when the input is inactive. The manual confirms that this is how its suppose to work.

So, is the only way to turn off the red light is to unplug it??

aaronwt
01-20-05, 12:25 AM
In the configuration section, set the Power LED(PLED) to AUTO. This turns the LED off after 30 seconds. This is how I have my iScan HD set and it works well this way. The LED lights ups when I turn a component on and turns off after half a minute. When I turn the component off, the LED lights up again and turns off after half a minute. Otherwise it is very annoying for the bright LED to stay on all the time.

JimP
01-20-05, 01:53 AM
araronwt

I've done that. The power LED to the right of the faceplate extinguishes after 30 seconds.

Its the red input LED to the left of the faceplate that remains on. Is that not how your HD behaves?

barend
01-20-05, 03:40 AM
In AUTO the LED does not extinguish if I turn off the Plasma (it still keeps looking for the dvi handshake) not even after 30 secs.
Quite irritating when you just want to play music.

aaronwt
01-20-05, 08:08 AM
The red LED does go out for me, but I'm not using the DVI out either. If it stayed on, there is no way I could use it without covering it up with something.

whsbuss
01-20-05, 08:14 AM
Originally posted by aaronwt
The red LED does go out for me, but I'm not using the DVI out either. If it stayed on, there is no way I could use it without covering it up with something.

I'm using DVI (in and out) and I don't have this problem.

JimP
01-20-05, 08:34 AM
I just unplugged all the inputs and outputs and then did a factory reset. The red light next to the "input" stays on after the power led extinguishes.

Also noticed on the rear of the unit, the red light behind the "toshlink 2" input is illuminated.

This is on a HD+ unit that has the SDI module. Could it be that it's detecting the SDI module as an active input and won't shut down??
I don't recall if it did this before installing the SDI module.

aaronwt and whsbuss Do you guys have the HD+ model with the SDI module in it?

barend. If you're using your DVD player to play CDs, the Iscan is still receiving a signal of some form causing it to stay on. You do bring up a good point in that I also use my player for music. Hadn't thought of that.

P.S. Also just observed that I get some kind of constant noise(roar) through my audio system when the DVD player (only device connected) is turned off. Disconnecting the audio(coaxial) in on the HD+ didn't change the noise, however, unplugging audio out would.

swatter911
01-20-05, 11:31 AM
I have a DirecTv HDTivo connected to my iScanHD+. The HDTivo is always on and always outputs a signal over its DVI connection. When I power my system off, the LED (on the right) flashes red-green-red-green-blue and repeats constantly. I have to use the power button on the iScan remote to power it down to where the LED remains red. I was hoping this might be fixed in the latest software, but alas it hasn't. Not that it's really a problem, just a very minor annoyance. I've never bounced this off Josh or Adam, I'd rather their attention remain focused on 480i over DVI and negative zoom.

The LED on the left never comes on due to the constant signal from the DVI connection.

JimP - I don't have an SDI module (but I want one!!!)

whsbuss
01-20-05, 04:18 PM
Originally posted by swatter911
I have a DirecTv HDTivo connected to my iScanHD+. The HDTivo is always on and always outputs a signal over its DVI connection. When I power my system off, the LED (on the right) flashes red-green-red-green-blue and repeats constantly. I have to use the power button on the iScan remote to power it down to where the LED remains red. I was hoping this might be fixed in the latest software, but alas it hasn't. Not that it's really a problem, just a very minor annoyance. I've never bounced this off Josh or Adam, I'd rather their attention remain focused on 480i over DVI and negative zoom.

The LED on the left never comes on due to the constant signal from the DVI connection.

JimP - I don't have an SDI module (but I want one!!!)

I have the same setup - HD-Tivo via DVI to the HD+ and the tivo is always on. I've programmed my MX-500 remote to power off the TV and the HD+ so the power LED goes red for 30 seconds then off. I don't think the power LED is an issue.

I don't have the SDI mod because my DVD is not capable of one.

Rob Tomlin
01-20-05, 07:42 PM
Looks like the latest issue of Widescreen Review does a review of the iScan HD+. They have the iScan on the front cover.

I haven't read the review yet, just got it from the mailbox! :)

JimP
01-21-05, 03:15 AM
Originally posted by JimP
I just unplugged all the inputs and outputs and then did a factory reset. The red light next to the "input" stays on after the power led extinguishes.

Also noticed on the rear of the unit, the red light behind the "toshlink 2" input is illuminated.

This is on a HD+ unit that has the SDI module. Could it be that it's detecting the SDI module as an active input and won't shut down??
I don't recall if it did this before installing the SDI module.

P.S. Also just observed that I get some kind of constant noise(roar) through my audio system when the DVD player (only device connected) is turned off. Disconnecting the audio(coaxial) in on the HD+ didn't change the noise, however, unplugging audio out would.


Spoke with Adam with DVDO and found that red input light staying on after the DVD player is turned off is correct as the HD+ is looking for an input. The only solutions are either to cover the light with some black tape or unplug the unit from the power connection.

The noise is due to my B&K ref 50 not have an auto muting circuit. The HD+ assumes that the audio receiver/preamp will auto mute when the bitstream stops. The Ref 50 presumes that the source device has the muting capability. Seems like B&K has a firmware upgrade available to implement the muting capability on the preamp end of the signal chain.

bokes
01-21-05, 07:22 AM
How do you guys set your Contrast and Brightness controls?

Do you adjust on the display or the iscan?
I hooked up the iscan last night and re-set my display settings to 50 and adjusted through iscan.

QuadESL63
01-21-05, 01:17 PM
Can iScan HD+ scale anything to 1400 by 1050 (native res. for the Canon LCOS SX-50)?

Thanks!

Josh@dvdo
01-21-05, 04:29 PM
The iScan HD+ cannot scale an HD component source to 1400x1050. This signal would be passed thru.

John Williams
01-21-05, 04:34 PM
QuadESL63,

I think what Josh may have meant to say is that the HD+ cannot scale a component video input signal higher than 480p NTSC or the PAL equivalent (576p?). Any component input higher than that will get passed through. DVI can be scaled, though, since it arrives at the HD+ in digital (not analog) format.

However, in either case the HD+ should be able to output a 1400x1050 signal via analog or DVI assuming the input signal can be scaled. You'd have to get into some custom timings, but I can't see why it wouldn't work...

-John

Josh Z
01-22-05, 10:45 AM
Thinking of the upcoming generation of HD-DVD and Blu-Ray players, I'm just wondering if the iScan-HD+ will be able to scale a 1080p signal if input by DVI? Or is it limited to 1080i and 720p input?

TigerAspect
01-22-05, 03:55 PM
Straight up question for HD+ owners:
How much improvement in picture quality do you see, when running a standard satellite receiver signal through the HD+ via S-video cable?
Is it marginal, fair, or substantial?
I'm thinking 720p as the final result when viewing.
This could be a selling point for me re this application of the HD+.
Opinions?

~A~

collinp
01-22-05, 04:50 PM
Originally posted by Josh Z
Thinking of the upcoming generation of HD-DVD and Blu-Ray players, I'm just wondering if the iScan-HD+ will be able to scale a 1080p signal if input by DVI? Or is it limited to 1080i and 720p input?

1080p will be passed through. There isn't enough buffering in this model to processes it.

See post <http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=4335680#post4335680> earlier in this thread.

- Collin

collinp
01-24-05, 04:15 AM
Hi Folks -

Has anyone had problems with the film mode detection on the iScan HD+ with the new "HDP-5.6-2.32" firmware? I've noticed that my crummy 1st gen SD TiVo feed (NTSC S-Video) frequently causes the iScan to erroneously kick into to inverse telecine mode. At least I think this is what's happening. If I leave "Film Mode" on "Auto" with the SD Tivo I see jittery motion which almost looks like the video is slowing down. It isn't actually slowing down since the audio stays in sync and appears to play at a normal rate. If I set "Film Mode" to "Off" the problem goes away. Interestingly, I have noticed no problems with component or SDI connected DVD players when playing video mode DVDs. I also didn't notice the problem with the original "HDP-5.6-2.30" firmware.

Has anyone else noticed this?

- Collin

bokes
01-24-05, 07:51 AM
I have also seen some problems I didn't have with the old firmware.
I never had flicker and now I have it (in dark scenes or fast motion)
And isn't flicker one of the issues the latest firmware is supposed to fix!?!

I also have a problem with the auto input detect. I set my cable box to #1 and my SDI DVD player to #2. The iscan use to auto switch between the two units. I now need to do it manually. I haven't changed any settings.
Anyone have this happen?

I also can not get native 1366x768 res. Unfortunately- I can only scale to 720p without image problems. (The picture is still outstanding, but I feel as if I'm driving a Ferrari at 30mph)

With all that said- the guys at DVDO have been very helpful. They seem to really care about making the customer happy.

JimP
01-24-05, 08:16 AM
Bokes

What display are you attempting to do this with?

LEVESQUE
01-24-05, 09:37 AM
Originally posted by collinp
I see jittery motion which almost looks like the video is slowing down. It isn't actually slowing down since the audio stays in sync and appears to play at a normal rate. If I set "Film Mode" to "Off" the problem goes away.

I have the same problem. It's like a "slowing down" in the picture for 2-3 seconds. If I bypass the de-interlacer and use the one in my player (sending 480p to the IScan), it goes away...

It's not often, usually 1 or 2 times in a film...

This with the latest firmware for my HD+.

bokes
01-24-05, 09:38 AM
JimP

Samsung HPP-5071 Plasma.

I get constant, random short, thin white lines that blink/flash on and off on the left side of the image. (this is different than the image flicker effect I also get)

At first I thought it was a bad DVI cable- switched it out with another 3footer and same problem.

Techs at Anchor bay think it may be the display trying to re-scale the scaled iscan image. I called Samsung and there is no way to disable the display's scaling function.

JimP
01-24-05, 10:01 AM
bokes

Sounds like a case of " who knows what's happening" .

If it were me, I think I'd be using the search functions to see if I could track down some information for settings unique to your Samsung or similar enough model.

Seems like there was a thread were many listed setting they found worked with various displays.

MRJAZZZ
01-24-05, 04:15 PM
Not sure if this question has been asked ( to many pages to review). Can the remote be re-configured so one can switch between DVI, and VGA outputs, with a single key stroke? I will be runing two different displays.

CHEERS, TC

Josh@dvdo
01-24-05, 06:53 PM
Originally posted by MRJAZZZ
Not sure if this question has been asked ( to many pages to review). Can the remote be re-configured so one can switch between DVI, and VGA outputs, with a single key stroke?

Currently you can do this with discrete IR codes. In the next major software release we will have display profiles, which allows the user to define four different displays. All settings under 'Output Setup' are saved in each display profile.

c722
01-25-05, 04:42 AM
Originally posted by Josh@dvdo
quote:
Under the 'Output Setup' menu:
The ability to define the 'Display AR' (4:3, 5:4, 16:9, 2.35:1, or user-defined), the Active Area (4:3, 16:9, 2.35:1 or user-defined) and the ability to adjust for overscan in the 'Underscan' adjustments'
We hope to implement 'Display Profiles' in this software as well.

Thanks josh for the info. Just one related point ( I think was asked somewhere early in this thread) : will it be able to "shift" a 2.35 image within a 16:9 frame ? Will the new "Display AR" with a user-defined "Active Area" do it ?

Thanx.

Josh@dvdo
01-25-05, 12:41 PM
Originally posted by c722
Thanks josh for the info. Just one related point ( I think was asked somewhere early in this thread) : will it be able to "shift" a 2.35 image within a 16:9 frame ? Will the new "Display AR" with a user-defined "Active Area" do it ?

Thanx.

We are working on incorporating vertical pan (without zooming) into this software release. If desired, a user can save this setting as one of their 4 'Input Aspect Ratio Presets'.

danielo
01-25-05, 03:51 PM
Originally posted by Josh@dvdo
We are working on incorporating vertical pan (without zooming) into this software release. If desired, a user can save this setting as one of their 4 'Input Aspect Ratio Presets'.

Thank you for adding this, using a external scaler todo 1:1 dvi mapping seems to mean (in my case a optoma H77) you loose this feature on alot of displays (well guess thats why they call it native i guess) so adding it to the scaler means alot of us can now shift the 2.35,2.40,2.67 movies back down to the border again.

It seems you are truly adding some nice aspect control to your platform so we have to depend less and less on source or display for this.

Greetings,

Daniel.

c722
01-26-05, 05:07 AM
Originally posted by Josh@dvdo
We are working on incorporating vertical pan (without zooming) into this software release. If desired, a user can save this setting as one of their 4 'Input Aspect Ratio Presets'.

This is absolutely great ! Thanks!

mimason
01-26-05, 06:42 AM
It will be great when DVDO ups the priority for the firmware for the HD+ to accept 480i over DVI. Apparently, the competition has the firmware out for the product already.

There is a 59avi owner in the DVD forum that reports is works great.

LEVESQUE
01-26-05, 08:17 AM
mimason

I totally agree! I already told Josh it should be the next priority, because Lumagen were already faster on the trigger... I know there is ALOT of Pioneer Elite 59avi owners waiting to pass 480i over HDMI with the IScan.

And alot of those were waiting for this to happen BEFORE buying the IScan... or now they can simply go with the Lumagen...

pottsy
01-26-05, 10:18 AM
Quick question:

I have just fitted the SDI input - on 576i everything is fine, but on 480i the picture is low (ie dropped down the screen). I can get it acceptable by panning up full (11), but the Iscan forgets this setting. Any clues?? And will the new firmware be able to store these settings (and give me a bit more adjustment, please)?

Also, have DVDO got the algorithm right for AV lipsync on PAL - it seems to vary enormously by disk and stream type (DTS/DD)? Furthermore, the HD+ really does have trouble with some PAL sources (jaggies, jerky movement) that it manages fine with NTSC.

I am using the latest firmware, BTW.

Andrew

aBlueSky
01-26-05, 10:29 AM
Hello Pottsy -

For the SDI input, go the Input Adjustment Menu and use the line offset function, which is specifically there for the problem you mentioned.

Cheers!

pottsy
01-26-05, 10:34 AM
aBlueSky,

Thank you! That did it.

Pottsy

mimason
01-26-05, 12:09 PM
Originally posted by LEVESQUE
mimason

I totally agree! I already told Josh it should be the next priority, because Lumagen were already faster on the trigger... I know there is ALOT of Pioneer Elite 59avi owners waiting to pass 480i over HDMI with the IScan.

And alot of those were waiting for this to happen BEFORE buying the IScan... or now they can simply go with the Lumagen...

I am holding off on the HD+ upgrade until then......or a less desireable alternative of switcharoo.

HiHoStevo
01-26-05, 06:42 PM
Dale,

In case you are still helping out on these forums.................

Any information on the "unamed" iScan that I saw at CES... you know the one with all the HDMI inputs?

Thanks,

Steve

Josh@dvdo
01-26-05, 06:45 PM
Our next generation video processor, referred to as iScan HDX and iScan HD++++ by other forum users, will have 4 HDMI inputs and an HDMI output and BNCs ins and outs for the analog side, there are no specs or other information released on this product at this time.

Rob Tomlin
01-26-05, 06:46 PM
Originally posted by LEVESQUE
mimason

I totally agree! I already told Josh it should be the next priority, because Lumagen were already faster on the trigger... I know there is ALOT of Pioneer Elite 59avi owners waiting to pass 480i over HDMI with the IScan.

And alot of those were waiting for this to happen BEFORE buying the IScan... or now they can simply go with the Lumagen...

Ditto that!

:)

Rob Tomlin
01-26-05, 06:47 PM
Wow, FOUR HDMI inputs! Thats great!

HiHoStevo
01-26-05, 07:05 PM
Yes four HDMI... it looked really great at CES..............

Josh we have already "come," so when are you going to "build it!"

Steve

oferlaor
01-27-05, 01:34 AM
HiHoStevo,

That's why Dale is MIA on the forums- he's working hard to build it... I love the new case + some of the killer features that were demoed in the inside booth (my lips are sealed about that demo, but it's really cool).

Josh,

I propose "iScan NG"

DanHouck
01-27-05, 11:29 AM
4 HDMI--YES! And a Realta chip??? SOLD!!

Come on ofer, yer holdin' out on us! :D

Dan

Rob Tomlin
01-27-05, 07:09 PM
Yeah, put that Realta chip in there and keep it affordable and I am there!

oferlaor
01-28-05, 04:35 AM
Dan,

I don't think you will be seeing any Realta chips in the DVDO scalers.

A bit of healthy competition certainly isn't hurting us, consumers.

DanHouck
01-28-05, 07:57 AM
Ofer, no Realta, no sale and I suspect I will have a lot of company in that. What do you know about upcoming scalers that will have this chip? What about this Dragonfly thingy?

Thanks. :)

Dan

Dale Adams
01-28-05, 10:08 AM
Originally posted by DanHouck
Ofer, no Realta, no sale and I suspect I will have a lot of company in that.
This type of knee-jerk response is one of the main reasons I no longer post on this forum. You don't have any idea what video processing capabilities the next-generation iScan will have, but since it doesn't have a Realta chip it couldn't possibly be any good. That about sums it up, right?

For those who might be interested, here are the other 2 reasons I no longer post:

1) Blatant, unsuppressed marketing efforts by a few particular forum members who are employees of certain video processing companies.

2) Being called a liar when reporting the reason why a particular consumer electronics company chose to use DVDO technology in their product in lieu of something else (which, curiously enough, also happened to be a Realta chip . . . . hmmmmm . . . ).

Apparently those blatant marketing efforts have worked all too well (or perhaps we just have a few shills in our midst).

- Dale Adams

Alan Gouger
01-28-05, 10:26 AM
Originally posted by Dale Adams

1) Blatant, unsuppressed marketing efforts by a few particular forum members who are employees of certain video processing companies.



Hi Dale

Sorry to hear your no longer posting. Your participation adds value to the forum and Im sorry there have been some issues which have deferred your willingness to further participate. The issue listed in your complaint above is not allowed and something we frown on. Anyone seeing any of this please report the post to the Moderator. Its their job to see to it this does not take place. I do not frequent this forum on a regular basis but if I see any of this it will be dealt with asap.
Dale you are always welcome in our house and hope you reconsider and join us even if its only from time to time. Your products are well respected and considered one of the best. Its getting very competitive out there and your company are one of the survivors & pioneers. Keep up the good work.

Alan Gouger.

HiHoStevo
01-28-05, 01:04 PM
Dale...............

What Alan said!!!!!!!!!




Steve

dstroot
01-28-05, 02:36 PM
Dale...

Our loss. I'm deeply sorry that you feel that way. Your participation was a key reason why I currently own an iScan HD.

I hope you reconsider your position someday.

mimason
01-28-05, 02:48 PM
I can see how individuals working in closely held companies develop a sense of ownership/passion for their products and more readily get discouraged and take things personally resulting in his decision.

Being self-employed at one time I can relate with Dale's sentiments. The hard part is to distance your feelings enough so that you don't get discouraged by some individuals and realized that the big picture of what you do ultimately benefits the company and 95% of the forum members.

bokes
01-28-05, 03:10 PM
Would it make any sense to output from the iscan using the RGB cable instead of the DVI?

Josh@dvdo
01-28-05, 04:29 PM
bokes- For what application?

danielo
01-28-05, 07:42 PM
Originally posted by Dale Adams
For those who might be interested, here are the other 2 reasons I no longer post:
- Dale Adams [/B]

Thats a pity, I hope you can distance yourself a little more but do find a way to keep a relation with
this and other forums. The pure fact of life is that becoming part of forum will involve some of this and remember the same amount of passion you have for your products others have for their hobby and that can and will result in some knee-type reactions.

What worries me too is that it can and imho already has a second effect of us not asking 'harder' questions anymore by the fear we will loose more people like Josh (lets not kid ourselfs we still all want to ask the when will be firmware be done question).

Let me be direct about this i think it is a mistake for you to stop posting since you also 'sold' many ideas and products this way and its clear you love your work and i am sure this forum made you think or react resulting in better products. As a software designer myself i know it aint fun to talk to users at times since they only see 10% of the problems you have to deal with from cost, legal, time. But you have to forgive us a little we are in the end the 'users' and should play our role as best we can we want the best, cheap and now please.

Greetings,

Daniel.

MovieGuy777
01-29-05, 03:01 AM
Dale,

Sorry to hear your not posting anymore. You are the reason that I purchased the Iscan HD. Your support in this forum was really impressive to me. It speaks volumes about you and your company. The overwhelming majority that have your product love it and have no complaints, we just can't wait to see what's coming next. I spent many hours reading your post and becoming knowledgeable from them. Please reconsider, but if not I understand. Great having you while we did and I won't be trading my Iscan HD until the Iscan HDX comes along.

darinp2
01-29-05, 04:27 AM
Just got my iScan HD+ today and was happy to find that it worked right out of the box with my JVC HD2K projector. I didn't even have to enter special timings (the HD2K only takes 1080p@60 or 50), so that was nice. This was much better than my experience with my HD Leeza, which almost works with the HD2K, but not quite (it puts artifacts around things). So, I'll be getting rid of the HD Leeza now.

One of the next things is to see if I can get D-Theater film material to play at 48Hz into my Sharp 11k. That would be nice, especially with aspect ratio control (although I think that might be the next software release) that will allow me to use an anamorphic lens. I know that 48Hz with DVDs should work from the RP82 I'm getting modified with SDI, since I've seen that combo working before.

--Darin

bokes
01-29-05, 08:20 AM
josh-

RGB cable to display for playing DVDS? (3910 SDI output)
or stay with DVI.
my display will not work native. I set the iscan at 720p.

oferlaor
01-29-05, 10:47 AM
Dale,

I'm very sorry to hear that. I take full responsibility for any such problems that you've encountered (short of the knee jerk response, which I am also seeing). Please contact me privately for specific issues that I might be able to assist you with.

I hope you will reconsider your position as I consider you a vital part of the theoretical background to this forum.

Dan,

I strongly disagree with your response and approach!

The Realta is a processing chip. It runs video processing algorithms (amongst other things, BTW!). They can be good algorithms and bad algorithms. It is a *platform* for processing applications. You can have a really bad processing algorithm running on it and you have have a tremendous algorithm running on it. Silicon Optix are running Terranex algorithms on it, but from what I understand Runco will run VIVIX algorithms instead.

Dale and DVDO have chosen to go with an FPGA solution. It takes nothing away from their algorithms and adds nothing to them. It's the algorithms that will decide how good the PQ will be.

I think that healthy competition will do us a world of good. Just look at what happened after Faroudja came out with the 2200 chip - DCDi was integrated into every player and device and for nearly 3 years we hardly had even a bit of progress towards better processing... The fact that 3 major companies (Gennum, Teranex/Silicon Optix and DVDO/AnchorBay) announced new chips, designs and algorithms gives me great hope for the future of this technology.

I really hate seeing people dismissing technology or certain products without ever setting eyes on them or comparing them with other technologies first.

Have you seen the DVDO demo at CES?
Have you compared it to Realta demo?

I think both demos looked very good (and you can ask both companies - I spent considerable time in both booths).

There are no products coming out next week with either of these technologies. I'll bet that both companies will improve their designs by the time they reach us.

So, why not keep an open mind and evaluate each product properly?!

spa
01-29-05, 02:52 PM
Originally posted by oferlaor
So, why not keep an open mind and evaluate each product properly?! I should say!

Things have been getting a bit odd around here. We have people refusing to buy products that lack technology they've never seen which they're sure is better than other technology they've never seen. 'Nuff said.

Dale you've got scads of people here who greatly value your input and contribution and your company's products. Don't pack up leave for a couple of comments. I would love it if you were posting here again as would others.

From a happy 2nd generation iScan owner.

swatter911
01-29-05, 03:10 PM
Dale you've got scads of people here who greatly value your input and contribution and your company's products. Don't pack up leave for a couple of comments. I would love it if you were posting here again as would others.

Dale's willingness to answer questions and his extensive knowledge of his product is one of the main reasons why my family bought 2 iScanHD+'s. His decision to not participate is a serious loss to this forum.

Besides, just because someone has 3000+ posts to his name doesn't automatically exclude him from being a fool.

steviec
01-29-05, 03:42 PM
Dale I can see your point.
Your trying to provide valuable info and a few idiots always seem to mess things up.
My question is WHERE ARE THE MODERATORS! They should be contacting some of these rude posters and threatening to bump them off the site. or al least suspend them awhile.( sounds like high school doesn't it)
Until then Dale I hope that you might jump in every so often using a different I.D. as Denon Jeff eventually did on the dvd player forum.
We'll know who you are based on your always intelligent info.

darinp2
01-29-05, 04:51 PM
Originally posted by oferlaor
I think that healthy competition will do us a world of good. Just look at what happened after Faroudja came out with the 2200 chip - DCDi was integrated into every player and device and for nearly 3 years we hardly had even a bit of progress towards better processing... The fact that 3 major companies (Gennum, Teranex/Silicon Optix and DVDO/AnchorBay) announced new chips, designs and algorithms gives me great hope for the future of this technology.
And that isn't even counting that I read a report/rumor here about Sony doing a Qualia scaler. If they put as much thought into making that the best as they did with the Qualia 004 projector then I think things could get very interesting. Especially if it supports 1080/24PsF output for the Qualia 004 and HS51 that accept 1080/24PsF input. Or if they release a BluRay player with a top notch scaler in a combo.

--Darin

Expletive
01-30-05, 01:06 AM
Will the new generation of DVDO processors be able to transcode HD component (or everything for that matter) to HDMI out?

John

DanHouck
01-30-05, 09:00 AM
Dale, my apologies for posting rudely, you're right of course, I should and have always planned to wait and see what you guys were bringing out. Sometimes I shoot from the hip a little too quickly.

Let me say that I am extremely impressed with how DVDO has evolved from a maker of pretty basic scalers to very sophisticated ones at great prices. I think you guys absolutely set the price/performance standard for the industry. I think you also set a standard in your willingness to interact with this community even when it is difficult.

Rest assured that I would automatically check the DVDO offering first and measure the others in comparison to it before buying. Anyone can build great scalers for 5 figure prices, you guys do it better for a great deal less. Please accept my apologies and stick around. :)

Dan

spa
01-30-05, 10:25 AM
...post deleted by request as the post to which it responds was removed...

Steve Collier
02-01-05, 09:31 AM
Could a HD+ improve the driving of long HDMI cables?

I am considering getting a HD+ anyway, but I wondered if it would help reduce or eliminate occasional loss of picture/lock (or whatever it is) over a long HDMI lead. I use a Marantz DV8400 with DVI-D output to Monster DVI-HDMI adapter, Supra HDMI-HDMI lead 15 metres long, into the HDMI input of a Panasonic PT-AE700 projector. I suppose another alternative is to get an inline signal amplifier.

Thanks for any input.

CalypsoCowboy
02-01-05, 07:10 PM
Has anyone purchased one of the B stock HD+ units off DVDOs site?

Josh@dvdo
02-01-05, 07:33 PM
Originally posted by Steve Collier
Could a HD+ improve the driving of long HDMI cables?


The iScan HD+ may improve the driving of long cables, but by no means was it designed as an HDMI repeater (amplifier).

Josh@dvdo
02-01-05, 07:33 PM
Originally posted by CalypsoCowboy
Has anyone purchased one of the B stock HD+ units off DVDOs site?

Did you have a specific question about these units?

Bytehoven
02-01-05, 10:11 PM
Originally posted by Dale Adams
For those who might be interested, here are the other 2 reasons I no longer post:

1) Blatant, unsuppressed marketing efforts by a few particular forum members who are employees of certain video processing companies.

2) Being called a liar when reporting the reason why a particular consumer electronics company chose to use DVDO technology in their product in lieu of something else (which, curiously enough, also happened to be a Realta chip . . . . hmmmmm . . . ).

- Dale Adams

1) Perhaps a new AVS policy should be put into place, requiring any manufacture employee, to have his company name associated with his user name. That would help the rest of us identify any bias or marketing efforts offered by these folks.

2) I saw right thru the ridiculous comments Anthony made about DVDO in 5910 thread. I challanged him within the thread, and so did a few others. To his credit, Anthony has not repeated this mistake and in general the forum tone has been much more respectful. I make it a habit to forward nasty posts to the moderator, particularly when the nastiness is directed at an important contributor like DVDO.

When Dan makes his comment about Realta and a future DVDO processor, it may not be something you want to hear, but it is valuable info. In a vacuum of competitive information, I suppose many of us have assumed Realta is the end game in SD processing. We need to know, if we are wrong.

I hope our comments atleast serve as a barometer of what we will buy or would like to see as a future upgrade for our DVDO products. I know I want a processor that will extend the visual quality of my SD DVD collection in an HD media world.

I am discouraged by the latest no comment policy by DVDO, because IMHO, it only increases the information vacuum.

I appreciate your products. I appreciate the presence of DVDO folks on AVS. I hope you will continue to contribute to AVS discussions.

Rob Tomlin
02-01-05, 10:36 PM
Good post Bytehoven!

I reallly agree with the idea of requiring people who are affiliated with a particular company to have the company name associated with the username, just as Josh@dvdo does.

CalypsoCowboy
02-01-05, 11:32 PM
On the B stocks, they are basically the same as new but have been returned, demoed, etc, so they have made an extra trip through the system and have been checked out twice.

Josh@dvdo
02-01-05, 11:45 PM
CalypsoCowboy - Your statement is exactly right, the only difference between a factory B-Stock and a new unit is that a new unit has basically not been touched by somebody else. Warranty is the same and when you purchase direct you still get the 30-day "No Quibble" return policy.

vinodk
02-02-05, 10:39 AM
I know that on HD+(also on IScan HD upgraded to HD+) you can use brightness & contrast controls via DVI during scaling & cross conversion from 1080i to 720p but are these controls active when DVI input receives 720p info which is essentially passed through to a native 720p display?

Genovese
02-02-05, 03:31 PM
Josh, and others,

Please help educate me. I have a brand new Hitachi 55HDT51 plasma display. It comes with an outboard AV control box and does it's own processing and scaling.

I've found that is has some trouble dealing with some situations, especially with high contrast, faster motion scenes.

I've also found that I want better SD quality, even though others indicate the Hitachi does a very good job with SD, I'm not completely satisfied.

So I have a few questions that hope you can help with.

1. Would you expect an HD+ to do a better job with the fast moving situations, as found in HD broadcasts of NBA basketball for instance?

2. Would you expect SD processing to be better than the stock AV box processing and scaling?

3. How would an HD+ connect to my PDP, since the AV box is connected to the PDP, and all sources are conencted to the AV box?

4. How can I use the HD+ to scale to the 55HDT native resolution of 1366x768 if it has to go through the AV box first?

5. Has anyone seen or heard of an HD+ connected to a 55HDT, and what were the results? Are these devices even compatible?

For the most part I love this PDP. Some things look absolutely stunning, while I believe others could be better. I need to learn how a third party video processor can help my situation, or to determine if the difference from the stock processor is so slight that it would be money wasted.

Thanks in advance for any insight anyone can offer.

PRGeno

dougmcbride
02-02-05, 04:03 PM
Originally posted by Josh@dvdo
CalypsoCowboy - Your statement is exactly right, the only difference between a factory B-Stock and a new unit is that a new unit has basically not been touched by somebody else. Warranty is the same and when you purchase direct you still get the 30-day "No Quibble" return policy.

I purchased a B-Stock IScan HD directly from DVDO. It looked brand new cosmetically (it's buried in a rack anyway) and it was good to know it had been used and then re-tested. Good deal by me anyway.

Cheers,

Doug

steviec
02-02-05, 10:12 PM
I am curious; Everyone seems to post that for the best results when using the Iscan HD or HD+ that one should input a 480i source thru component or SDI.
My question is what is the benefit than to owning the HD+ as opposed the the standard HD model ?
Is inputting a 480p HDMI/DVI source superior to a regular 480i component or SDI signal ?
I know it probably depends on the players deinterlacing so lets say we are using a pioneer 59avi. Is the progressive hdmi/dvi superior to the 480i component?

Josh@dvdo
02-02-05, 10:23 PM
steviec - I think that most posts concerning using 480i component or 480i SDI are about getting the best picture for DVD. The disadvantage of using 480p from a DVD player, over component and DVI, is that you rely on the DVD player's deinterlacer which may not be that good relative to the SiI504.

The reason one would get an HD+, rather than an iScan HD, would be to process HD on the DVI input.

Josh@dvdo
02-02-05, 10:47 PM
PRGeno - First, I will have to preface my remarks by saying that I have no direct experience with the Hitachi 55" plasma. I do have some experience with the Fujitsu 55" plasma which I am sure is the glass that is used in the Hitachi. The iScan HD+ made a huge difference when driving this panel native versus going straight to the panel off a DVD player, I did not test HD or broadcast SD. My feeling is that the video processing in the iScan HD+ is better than what is in the control box, but I don't know if you can bypass the internal processing with or without the control box in the loop.

This is how I get 1:1 pixel mapping on the Fujitsu over DVI:
Settings on Plasma
1.Menu -> Features -> Input Terminals -> DVI Input -> DVI-2 (for video)
2.Menu -> Features -> Others -> Screen Orbiter -> Mode/Time -> Off

Settings on iScan HD/HD+
1.Configuration (CNFG) -> User Mode (USRM) -> Advanced (ADV)
2.Output Setup (OSET) -> Analog/Digital (A/D) -> DVI (Video) (DVIV)
3.Output Setup (OSET) -> Format (FMT) -> 1366x768 (PLA3)
4.Tweak settings to the following numbers:

H-Shift (HSHF) ->144 V-Shift (VSHF) ->8
H-Size (HSIZ)-> 1360 V-Size (VSIZ)-> 768
H-Front (HFP)->176 V-Front (VFP) ->8
H-Sync (HSYN) ->112 V-Sync(VSYN) ->6
H-Back (HBP)->144 V-Back (VBP) ->13
H-Total (HTOT) ->1792 V-Total (VTOT) ->795

How does your "outboard AV control" connect to the panel? Is one of the cables a DVI cable? Some LCD panels and plasmas can be used without the control box and some require a DVI switcher so that both iScan HD+ and control box can be connected and others use proprietary connections between control box and panel.

Does anyone else have any experience with this plasma and an iScan HD+?

wensteph
02-02-05, 11:14 PM
Does anyone know if the B stock units from DVDO are sent back out with the latest software?

Josh@dvdo
02-02-05, 11:16 PM
Yes, the B-Stock units are updated with the current software.

epiney
02-02-05, 11:28 PM
Originally posted by Josh@dvdo

The reason one would get an HD+, rather than an iScan HD, would be to process HD on the DVI input.

Please forgive the rookie question, but how does this work, and what's the benefit. I believe I read that certain stations broadcast 720p and 1080i. Does the set top box pass these signals through and then they benefit from HD+ scaling?

Genovese
02-03-05, 10:35 AM
Originally posted by Josh@dvdo
How does your "outboard AV control" connect to the panel? Is one of the cables a DVI cable? Some LCD panels and plasmas can be used without the control box and some require a DVI switcher so that both iScan HD+ and control box can be connected and others use proprietary connections between control box and panel.

Does anyone else have any experience with this plasma and an iScan HD+? [/B]

The AV box connects via two connectors, one which is a DVI and the other looks like an S-Video connector. I have no idea if they follow the signaling standards for those connections, but at least the physical connections look standard.

I suspect the DVI is standard and is carrying the video, and S-Video looking connector is carrying audio to the panel's built in amp and speakers.

Further reading seems to indicate the one way to bypass the AV box's internal processing might be via the RGB PC connection. There seems to be quite a bit of control over how to handle that connection. The two HDMI connections seems to be fully processed and lack the manual overrides that the RGB connect has.

I'm pretty green with how this will all work. So I'm a very willing student here, and hope to gain enough knowledge from all of you to make an appropriate purchase decision. And then be able to actually make the investment payoff and work properly.

Any additional insight, especially from anyone who may have mated these two devices together, is greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

PRGeno

Rob Rhett
02-05-05, 12:03 AM
Josh: I'll be the proud owner of a B Stock HD+ by next Thursday! 2 years of exposure to tear lines and artifacts finally drove me to find an improvement. KUDOS to Anchor Bay!
I have a few questions regarding the best hookup into a Pioneer 503CMX with an Aurora A304-hdcp slot card . I'm using a Hughes HD TIVO , a Sony HD300 (because my other half still feels more comfortable navigating with it ) and a Sony DVP-NS975V DVD . The A/V receiver is a Sony STR-DA2ES.
1. Should I expect any HDCP woes with the Aurora through DVI ?
2. Should I expect any improvement of HD sources with the scalar ?
3. Should 720P output on the satellite sources be the better and simpler resolution for the scalar? I will let the Sony dvd output either svideo or component with the progressive off and let the scalar "do it's thing"!
4. Can the Pioneer ever output 1080P with the present Aurora Card?

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

zmn668
02-05-05, 06:36 AM
Hi all. Was hoping for some advice. Which input resolution makes the most sense to use with my new HD+? My set is a Samsung DLP with 720P native res. I have a Dish 811 HD sat receiver feeding the HD+ via DVI. The output options from the 811 are 480P, 720P, and 1080i. Most of my HD channels except ESPN and Fox are 1080i so it seems to make sense to set 811 at 1080i so these are then deinterlaced and scaled to 720P by HD+. My question is more about the SD channels. If 811 is set to 1080i, it upconverts SD channels before sending to HD+ where they are scaled again. Sending 720P to HD+ seems reasonable but the deinterlacer in the 811 is not of a good quality. Had tried feeding 480i via s-video to HD+ and outputing 720P via DVI for SD channels but pictured looked considerably softer than via DVI from 811. Final option would be feeding 480P from 811 but again I would be stuck with the low quality deinterlacer of the 811. Is there any other option I have missed? Is the qulaity loss from all the conversions using 1080i a lesser evil than using the low quality deinterlacer of the 811? My RP91 is going via component to the HD+ (until I get SDI mods)so that is a no brainer and a beautiful picture. Any advice is greatly appreciated. Thanks.

Bill

bokes
02-05-05, 08:34 AM
What does a flashing blue light mean?

DanHouck
02-05-05, 10:57 AM
Josh, I'm thinking about the HD+ for the JVC SX21 I am getting. The projector is NOT HDCP compliant, will the scaler still be able to work with it over the DVI-D output? Or should I pick up an older HD? Can either scale to the native rate of the SX21? I am told this is the best way to input to this projector, native rate over DVI-D.

Thanks.

Dan

swatter911
02-05-05, 11:17 AM
Originally posted by Rob Rhett
Josh: I'll be the proud owner of a B Stock HD+ by next Thursday! 2 years of exposure to tear lines and artifacts finally drove me to find an improvement. KUDOS to Anchor Bay!
I have a few questions regarding the best hookup into a Pioneer 503CMX with an Aurora A304-hdcp slot card . I'm using a Hughes HD TIVO , a Sony HD300 (because my other half still feels more comfortable navigating with it ) and a Sony DVP-NS975V DVD . The A/V receiver is a Sony STR-DA2ES.
1. Should I expect any HDCP woes with the Aurora through DVI ?
2. Should I expect any improvement of HD sources with the scalar ?
3. Should 720P output on the satellite sources be the better and simpler resolution for the scalar? I will let the Sony dvd output either svideo or component with the progressive off and let the scalar "do it's thing"!
4. Can the Pioneer ever output 1080P with the present Aurora Card?

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

I'm not Josh but I have shared experience on a couple of your points:
1. I don't have the Aurora, but I've had no HDCP issues at all with my HD+ usng the HDTivo.
2. HD improvement is subjective based upon your STB and your display. I have seen improvement going from my HDTivo to my Sony XBR950. Sharpness of picture, less artifacts and PQ overall were my observations.
3. I found outputting 1080i from my HDTivo gave me the best PQ, especially on SD channels. I output interlaced because the deinterlacer in the HD+ is superior to the deinterlacer in the HDTivo. I also output 720p to my XBR ahnd the PQ is outstanding. I would also recommend (in lieu of an SDI mod) is to output 480i from your DVD player over component and let the HD+ scale that to 720p (or whatever the native resolution of your set is) to your display. Svideo will give you a much softer picture. I don't know what the native resolution of your set is, but you want the HD+ to get to 1:1 pixel mapping on your set (if possible) to keep the set from scaling the image.
4. I dunno. If the display supports 1080p, try it. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

swatter911
02-05-05, 11:23 AM
Originally posted by bokes
What does a flashing blue light mean?
The iScan has lost the HDCP handshake. Try switching inputs on the iScan to force it to renegotiate the handshake. It's explained in the iScan manual.

suffolk112000
02-05-05, 09:02 PM
Is anyone using the new iScan HD+ with the Panny AE-700?
If so, does this combo seem to mesh well together?
Do you see a positive improvement?
I Did a search of this thread looking for the answer and came up empty.

Craig

Bluesea
02-07-05, 10:26 AM
Can anyone comment on the HD+'s performance quality for PAL-NTSC conversion?

Rob Rhett
02-07-05, 03:34 PM
swatter911 : Thanks for the info regarding the 50" pioneer plasma and the HD TIVO. Ill post late next week after I receive the HD+ and the high quality HDMI to DVI cable . Love the 30 second skip feature from weakknees!

wavebrad
02-07-05, 10:01 PM
Originally posted by suffolk112000
Is anyone using the new iScan HD+ with the Panny AE-700?


Craig

I will be installing an AE-700 with the iScan HD+ this weekend. I will be sure to give you a full report. My only concern is getting the right cable to run from the HD+ to the projector. Any advice on finding the correct DVI (I) to HDMI cable ( I think that is what I need) would be appreciated. I have a DVI cable box, an RP91 and a Bravo D1 as my sources, hopefully it will be a great match.

Josh@dvdo
02-07-05, 11:40 PM
Originally posted by wavebrad
My only concern is getting the right cable to run from the HD+ to the projector. Any advice on finding the correct DVI (I) to HDMI cable ( I think that is what I need) would be appreciated.

Actually, you need a DVI-D to HDMI Cable. Yes, the iScan HD/HD+ does have DVI-I connectors on the back panel but both the input and output are truly DVI-D. I am sure Bettercables.com has what you are looking for (Check out their link at the top of the page).

bokes
02-13-05, 09:04 AM
I was having a problem with the Auto Input function not detecting devices and now I have a worse problem.
Does anyone know what may be causing my iscan to loose the digital handshake with my cable box everytime I switch inputs or shut off the cable box?
I have to re-set my cable box by unplugging it everytime I want to switch back and play it through the iscan.
I realize it could be the cable box, but it worked fine for over a year. The only thing new is the iscan.

JimP
02-13-05, 09:10 AM
bokes,

Is yours the Iscan or the Iscan +??

Are you inputting from your cable box to the Iscan via DVI or component??

Any difference in how it handles 480i and 1080i??

bokes
02-13-05, 03:39 PM
Iscan+.
I go into the Iscan DVI.
No difference.
I just lose the shake. (?)

JimP
02-13-05, 04:20 PM
bokes,

Not sure if this is related or not, but on some DVI switchers, you actually have to power off the device you switched "from" before the device you switched "to" will be detected. Something about releasing the device before it can detect the new device.

Have you tried that??