I have a HD+ which used to display random black dots on the display which were only visible when standing up to the screen. So i had the board replaced which made those dots go away. It is currently software 5.6-2.91, but it used to be 6.7-2.91 and now i can't send a 480i signal thru my pioneer 989 (79), which i could before i had the board replaced. What do you think might be the problem?Just get the newest software from DVDO site and upload it to the scaler.

By the way, is the problem similar to what I had? Here's a sample video: http://people.cc.jyu.fi/~jajuhyvo/iscan_flicker.AVI

Just get the newest software from DVDO site and upload it to the scaler.

By the way, is the problem similar to what I had? Here's a sample video: http://people.cc.jyu.fi/~jajuhyvo/iscan_flicker.AVI




Yes it is the same as your video, but isn't the 2.91 supposed to be the newest software or does the 5.6 or 6.7 also have to do something with it?
So does it have to be 6.7-2.91 to be considered the newest, can't 5.6-2.91 be considered like an old board with the new software?
For 480i to be processed one has to have upgraded to version 2.91 according to dvdo 's site. I don't think it may have to do with the board being 5.6 or 6.7, but i may be wrong.
What do you think?

I downloaded the software again, and 480i is working. It is now 6.7-2.91 instead of 5.6-2.91.

I'm hoping that the HD+ users are still monitoring this Thread and aren't simply off enjoying their VP's :D .

After following the VP30 Thread and much of the other brands of VP's being purchased , I'd have to think that the HD+ seems to be a product with very few problems . Is that still the case ?

I'd appreciate hearing from any current owners on how the HD+ is still performing and are you happy with it .

I'm only looking at 480i out from my DVD player to a 720p PJ through Component . Nothing fancy . I can't help but think that the HD+ will do the job nicely and at DVDO's B-Stock price I don't think I can go too wrong .

Thanks in advance ,

Scott.................. :)

Hi,

I have the normal HD (without +) and it does the job you want without any problems. So i think the HD+ will do that too.

Steef

Never had a problem with the unit, working flawlessly.
Very happy with it, couldn't be without it, more so because my plasma won''t accept dvi (hdcp) directly from the DVD player and the HD+ settings are very tweakable.

I'm quite happy with my HD+, its rock solid (spcially since I learned how to use the profiles, thx again Ofer) gives very high PQ and only leaves me wanting with its poor deinterlacing of the 50Hz DVB-T we have over here (Spain), jaggies aplenty, combing and you name it. But as I don't watch tely that much, most of it its film DVDs, I'm a 95% happy camper.
Cheers.

Thanks gentlemen ,

Are any of you using Component out of the HD+ ? I too have concerns and problems with the DVI and HDCP and after seeing that a lot of users simply dropped this and went with Component , I'm quite intrigued .

I've read that the scaling to 1080p uses the "bob" technique . Is anyone unhappy with the results ? I'm sure that down the road I'll swap my 720p PJ for a 1080p unit and would like to think that I may be able to use the HD+ in the future as well .

Thanks again for the replies :)

Scott................

Scott,

I have been using the HD+ for the past 9 months now with no problems what so ever. I feed the HD+ a component 480i signal from my DVD player and a DVI signal from my HD cable box. All is then sent to my Infocus 4805 projector via DVI pixel mapped at 854X480 72Hz. My setup is a constant height 2.35 AR. so I use the aspect ratio control that the HD+ offers to a great degree.

I use my theater 99% of the time for DVD viewing. This is one reason I feed the HD+ a 480i signal so I can take advantage of the de-interlacer in the HD+. The SiI504 chipset in the HD+ is better for film based movies than the Faroudja chipset that is in the 4805.

I went with DVDO's "B" stock, and yes the price is right.

Scott,

I have been using the HD+ for the past 9 months now with no problems what so ever. I feed the HD+ a component 480i signal from my DVD player and a DVI signal from my HD cable box. All is then sent to my Infocus 4805 projector via DVI pixel mapped at 854X480 72Hz. My setup is a constant height 2.35 AR. so I use the aspect ratio control that the HD+ offers to a great degree.

I use my theater 99% of the time for DVD viewing. This is one reason I feed the HD+ a 480i signal so I can take advantage of the de-interlacer in the HD+. The SiI504 chipset in the HD+ is better for film based movies than the Faroudja chipset that is in the 4805.

I went with DVDO's "B" stock, and yes the price is right.

Hi Willy ,

Sounds excellent and your Theatre is amazing !
I'm using an Infocus SP5000 with a Prismasonic H-500S for 2.35:1 on a 117" diag. DIY screen (for now...I may go with Carada next year) . The Samsung DVD HD-841 has been doing the "stretching" for me but I would like to improve the DVD player thus the interest in the HD+ .
It's also very reassuring that someone else is using this VP for Scope presentations .

Thanks again for the feedback and enjoy your HT :D

Scott..................

Watched pirates (black pearl) last night with the family in anticipation of going to the new movie today. Had 3-4 audio drops during the movie. My spouse always comments "what's that"... Again, this NEVER happened with my old HD unit. Never. Using coax digital audio connection (HDMI for video only).... SJ

sjht

You didn't say if this was off cable, satellite, etc. Which was it??

sjht

You didn't say if this was off cable, satellite, etc. Which was it??

Sorry, I should have posted this in the VP30 thread.... Was using a DVD player.

sjht,

Have you tried tried connecting your DVD audio directly to your receiver/preamp to verify that its not the DVD player causing the dropouts??

I've been using the HD+ now for right at 1.5 years and it has been a great product. I feed it DVD (480i component), Sat HD (native hdmi->DVI), X-box 360 (720p component) and laptop hookup from within theater (VGA). I send 2 signals to the InFocus 7205 (DVI & DB15). Main reason for 2 runs to the projector is due to the HD+ not being able to transcode high def signals from component (in) to DVI (out). Since my X-Box 360 sends a 720p signal over component I need the analog run to the projector in order to see the high def output from the gaming console. This is one thing that will likely cause me to upgrade to the VP30 before the end of the year as well as upgrading some of my source components to newer models with hdmi outputs that would benefit from the 4 hdmi inputs on the VP30.

I've been using the HD+ now for right at 1.5 years and it has been a great product. I feed it DVD (480i component), Sat HD (native hdmi->DVI), X-box 360 (720p component) and laptop hookup from within theater (VGA). I send 2 signals to the InFocus 7205 (DVI & DB15). Main reason for 2 runs to the projector is due to the HD+ not being able to transcode high def signals from component (in) to DVI (out). Since my X-Box 360 sends a 720p signal over component I need the analog run to the projector in order to see the high def output from the gaming console. This is one thing that will likely cause me to upgrade to the VP30 before the end of the year as well as upgrading some of my source components to newer models with hdmi outputs that would benefit from the 4 hdmi inputs on the VP30.

Hi Clark ,

Thanks for the feedback . Quite the setup you have .

Since your purchase , have you received any communications from DVDO that they will still be upgrading firmware or is the latest HD+ version going to be the last ?
I see lots of firmware changes on the VP30 Thread but this one seems to be ...stable?

Scott................. :)

Hi Scott.

Thanks for the feedback on my theater. It's a labor of love that is for sure. Some guys get into Harley's but my main hobby is home theater. :)

DVDO hasn't had a firmware update to the HD+ since July 2005. Attached below is the firmware information from the DVDO website that list the current and last 2 updates. Don't know if this means they will no longer provide firmware updates to the HD+ or not. It's a pretty solid product with the current service packs installed. Sorry - I work for Microsoft so I think about all updates as service packs. :)


Beta software not currently available
Latest software HDP-6.7-2.91 Jul 11, 2005
Previous versions
HDP-5.6-2.32 Jan 5, 2005
HDP-5.6-2.30 Dec 13, 2004

A gamma update to the firmware like the VP30 just got would be magic

I PM'ed Josh from DVDO asking the question but he hasn't bothered to respond.

AFAIK, they are not working on new firmware updates (not sure if that's final).

They will definitely not add new features, as there is a limitation on the hardware capabilities of the older devices.

We have no plans to add features to the iScan HD or HD+.

AFAIK, they are not working on new firmware updates (not sure if that's final).

They will definitely not add new features, as there is a limitation on the hardware capabilities of the older devices.

Thanks Ofer ,

Glad to see you're still with us . Looks like things are starting to escalate over there.

Stay safe .

Scott................... :)

scott,

Thanks. It's getting harder to post, but lets keep this thread clean (there is a dedicated thread on the subject).

We have no plans to add features to the iScan HD or HD+.

Josh,

The original plans were to offer multiple monitor settings on the HD and never did. The option is grey in the menu. DVDO should have at least turned on that feature in one more upgrade. That was a promise that never happened. Plus the question has been avoided in these forums everytime it was asked. Thats not right.

Ron

Josh,

The original plans were to offer multiple monitor settings on the HD and never did. The option is grey in the menu. DVDO should have at least turned on that feature in one more upgrade. That was a promise that never happened. Plus the question has been avoided in these forums everytime it was asked. Thats not right.

We have no plans to add features to the iScan HD or HD+.


Some thoughts on HD+ fixes/upgrades...


Quiet quietly, The HD+ 2.02-6.7-2.91 Beta Release morphed into the 2.02-6.7-2.91 Final Release. Without comment, as if by magic! And new products appeared. Rumors of more HD+ fixes/upgrades came and went sometimes with hinted responses--"after the new box gets done".

DVDO is one of the more generous players in this game. Listening to its customers here and other places and offering generous upgrades and trying to be responsive, at least for a while.

Nevertheless, I call these rs-232, USB, etc. ports, "Marketing ports" as they allow the box to get to market before it is done, and they give a "warm feeling "to the customer that his $1500 box will not be trash in 6 months. But that ain't always so. And at some point the box becomes "'archived". Now I played in this Engineering/Marketing Game for years, and it is true. Fast moving, competitive technology often leaving the customer with a bad taste.

Some companies, Onkyo, Denon, Panasonic [through CD's] actually provided fixes, updates and new features, others just move on, leaving that uncompleted bad taste with their customers.

If there are uncompleted issues on the HD+, they should be fixed as matter of good customer relations [what was that port for?]. On the other hand, if new features could be added, why not survey customers and charge for updates-and pay your software engineers. I don't believe as Ofer was told--"The box is full" [Bet is was planned with features UN-implemented] DVDO needs to understand that a lot of their customers will not buy any more of their products, not because we don't like them, we can’t afford them! But some more reasonable updates, would get me going.

Now what about multiple monitor settings?

And from me, I think the whole picture control through DVI is very weak. The ULTRA was much better! But it is not worth $1500-2000.

Just some thoughts, looking for straight answers, not weasel words.

Anyone using the SDI mod with their HD+ ?

Just curious on how popular this interface is or was .

Scott......... :)

Yeah, I use it...and I moved my SDI mod to my newer VP30.

I'm so happy with using SDI on my modded Panasonic RP82 I'll never go back.

What bothered me is they released the ISCAN HD with a promise it would have multiple monitor options and then they add the HD+ and never release firmware for the HD to have multiple monitor setups yet the option is in the menu but greyed out. They should have added all the features they promised to the original HD.

All I can say is that the VP30 is a beautiful piece of engineering. My gripe with the iScan HD was inability to transcode between component and DVI... The problem is solved with the newer models, you can have a single output.

With the latest firmware , 6.7-2.91 I believe , the HD+ will accept 480i over a DVI input but only as RGB 4:4:4 ? Is this the standard for DVI or is 4:4:2 ? I can't find the reference for this .

I assume that one's DVD player would have to be able to make the colorspace change to RGB and hopefully it will come out at 4:4:4 .

What happens if you output 480i over HDMI , then an HDMI to DVI adaptor , then to the HD+ . Would we still have to alter the colorspace on the HDMI output to be RGB 4:4:4 at the DVI input ?

Just when I thought I had a good grasp of all this :(

Scott................ :o

With the latest firmware , 6.7-2.91 I believe , the HD+ will accept 480i over a DVI input but only as RGB 4:4:4 ? Is this the standard for DVI or is 4:4:2 ? I can't find the reference for this .

I assume that one's DVD player would have to be able to make the colorspace change to RGB and hopefully it will come out at 4:4:4 .

What happens if you output 480i over HDMI , then an HDMI to DVI adaptor , then to the HD+ . Would we still have to alter the colorspace on the HDMI output to be RGB 4:4:4 at the DVI input ?

Just when I thought I had a good grasp of all this :(

Scott................ :o

HDMI embraces and extends DVI. It uses the same signaling for video, but adds audio and a different connector, so all adapters are passive. You could actually use a DVI cable with HDMI adapters on both ends between two HDMI devices and things would work (well, without audio).

The DVI spec actually doesn't specify a 408i signal, but HDMI does. Since they're compatible DVDO just accepts the HDMI 480i signal over the DVI port. There is only one RGB format for HDMI so if the device can output 480i RGB (many don't) then the iScan should accept it. The exact cables and connectors you use shouldn't matter.

- Collin

HDMI embraces and extends DVI. It uses the same signaling for video, but adds audio and a different connector, so all adapters are passive. You could actually use a DVI cable with HDMI adapters on both ends between two HDMI devices and things would work (well, without audio).

The DVI spec actually doesn't specify a 408i signal, but HDMI does. Since they're compatible DVDO just accepts the HDMI 480i signal over the DVI port. There is only one RGB format for HDMI so if the device can output 480i RGB (many don't) then the iScan should accept it. The exact cables and connectors you use shouldn't matter.

- Collin

Thanks Collin :D This is exactly what I was hoping for . The Oppo HD970 has 480i over HDMI which I can route into the HD+ and I'm good to go . Time to get busy .

Thanks again ,

Scott..........................

Hey scott,

Were you ever able to try the oppo 970HD's HDMI 480i output to the HD+'s DVI input and did it work? I have an HD+ with the latest firmware and the oppo 970hd using the oppo's 480i HDMI output to the Iscan's DVI input via a HDMI/DVI cable. I cannot get a picture at any resolution. Were you ever able to try this combo and get it to work? The only thing I can think is that maybe my cable is bad.

Hello gtaylor74,

No I haven't yet purchased this combo . I've only recently found a Dealer here in Canada that has the Oppo models and I've requested some more info from DVDO regarding pricing on their B-Stock units .

Not having either unit at the moment I'm unable to make any useful suggestions .

I'll give both manuals a scan thru tonight and see if anything pops out at me .

In the OPPO...
You could try disabling Audio over HDMI for now .
Colorspace = RGB (HD+ only accepts RGB 4:4:4 over DVI)
TV Type to Auto

In the HD+...
You could have an HDCP issue . From the Thread...
"Just a tip for everybody. The easy easy way to tell that you have lost or do not have HDCP authenication is to look at the colored LED on the front panel. If it is flashing blue then you do not have authentication if it is solid blue, you are processing the signal and you have authentication. If the LED is green you are passing the signal thru."

If there is HDCP the video will only be available thru the DVI out NOT any of the Analog Video outputs (if I understand this correctly)

Good Luck.

Glad you've got this combo , I'll no who to talk to in the future :D

Scott...........................

Hey scott,

Were you ever able to try the oppo 970HD's HDMI 480i output to the HD+'s DVI input and did it work? I have an HD+ with the latest firmware and the oppo 970hd using the oppo's 480i HDMI output to the Iscan's DVI input via a HDMI/DVI cable. I cannot get a picture at any resolution. Were you ever able to try this combo and get it to work? The only thing I can think is that maybe my cable is bad.

The 970HD with factory firmware protects all HDMI output (even 480i) with HDCP. From my research (including an email conversation with Oppo support) it seems that simply connecting the Oppo 970HD to an iScan HD with an HDMI-DVI cable will not get you a picture. (I personally own an iScan HD and am trying to decide whether to stick with my HD or upgrade to a VP20/VP30. Sigh.)

However, because the Oppo 970HD is based on the MediaTek chipset, and the MTK chipset's user-upgradeable firmware is known to be hackable, one might reasonably assume that "unofficial" versions of the 970HD firmware might be out there somewhere. ;) For example, if one were to join a certain Yahoo! Group (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mt13x9_files/) one might find some other 970HD firmware to try out.

Hope this helps.

Well I'm still optimistic as there are 970HD's being packaged with the VP20 and VP30.

I'm hoping gtaylor74 will respond with some more info . Checking the colorspace to RGB for one , connecting out via DVI not an Analog video connection , checking the front panel lights , and determine if your (his) display will process an HDCP protected signal over DVI . Not all early Displays would handle this .

You can also disable HDCP at the DVI input in the setup menu . This will allow for a non-HDCP display too . DVDO thought of everything .

And for the good news , DVDO responded to my inquiry and have dropped the MSRP on the B-Stock to $999 . Doesn't get any better than this . Time for a birthday present to me :p

Scott.............................. :D

I've tried setting the 970 to both auto and RGB for colorspace on the HDMI and get nothing. All I get on my display is the menu screen of the HD+ on the DVI input. This tells me my Iscan is talking okay to the TV.

Scott is correct that the HD+ has the ability to enable or disable HDCP on the DVI input, so it shouldn't be an HDCP issue. I've tried this setting both ways with no luck.

I've also tried going right from the 970 to my display, and again get nothing. I know for sure my HDTV is HDCP compliant, so that's not an issue. I have also tried all of the 970's resolutions while testing all of this.

The common thread in both is that I'm using the same HDMI to DVI cable. So I have ordered a new cable and will try it tomorrow. Maybe my cable is just bad.

Using the 970 via component out works great, so I'm hoping it's just the cable.

Follow up: I got a new HDMI/DVI cable today and that fixed the issue. I now get video from the oppo through my HD+ at all resolutions, so the issue was the cable. Which makes me mad because the first cable was a $100 BetterCables HDMI/DVI cable. It used to work fine with my old Panny S97, but not with the oppo. I got a $13 blue jeans cable and it works fine now.

I'll now have to play with it and see what I think of the combo. I used to have an oppo 971 and thus far I like the 971 alot better than the 970.

Follow up: I got a new HDMI/DVI cable today and that fixed the issue. I now get video from the oppo through my HD+ at all resolutions, so the issue was the cable. Which makes me mad because the first cable was a $100 BetterCables HDMI/DVI cable. It used to work fine with my old Panny S97, but not with the oppo. I got a $13 blue jeans cable and it works fine now.

I'll now have to play with it and see what I think of the combo. I used to have an oppo 971 and thus far I like the 971 alot better than the 970.

That's great news ! I'm glad it all worked out .

Curious , what do you like better with the 971 over the 970 ? Audio ? Video ? Was this with the HD+ or without ?

Scott.................. :)

All my audio is going to the reciever, so no differences there. I just seem to prefer the 971's image. Of course I've only played with the 970 an hour or so, so that might change. I watched some of Star Wars episode III last night and just remember the 971 being more detailed. I wish I still had my 971 so I could compare them more closely.

At least we do know that the 970 does work with the HD+.

Can anyone explain to me the purpose of the "Active Input Aspect Ratio" feature of the HD+? I see it has many different ratios listed, such as 2.35, 1.85. 1.78, etc. Are you supposed to change this to the aspect ratio of the source material you're playing? For example, if I'm watching a dvd that's 2.35, then another later that's 1.85, do I need to change this setting each time? I'm just confused as to the purpose of this feature. Thanks.

Can anyone explain to me the purpose of the "Active Input Aspect Ratio" feature of the HD+? I see it has many different ratios listed, such as 2.35, 1.85. 1.78, etc. Are you supposed to change this to the aspect ratio of the source material you're playing? For example, if I'm watching a dvd that's 2.35, then another later that's 1.85, do I need to change this setting each time? I'm just confused as to the purpose of this feature. Thanks.

This feature is useful for viewers using 2.35:1 Constant Image Height projection. It allows each aspect ratio to be properly pillarboxed on a screen of that width.

With a standard 16:9 screen, you shouldn't really need this function. Just set everything for 16:9.

Unless you have a 16:9 screen and want to move the active picture of a 2.35 film - for example to the bottom of the screen. If you are in the 16:9 active input setting, the verticle shift function under the output menu will not give you enough distance to move the image all the way to the bottom of the screen. This was actually one of the promoted features of the final firmware update and it took me forever to figure out how to do it.

Thanks guys!

Correct me if I'm wrong , and I'm hoping I'm not , but with the latest HD+ firmware we can now "process" a 720p and 1080i signal on the DVI input and not have it simply pass-through ?

This tells me that with a 720p signal , maybe down-rez'd from an HD or BD player , I can still set the Active Input Aspect Ratio (AIAR) to say 2.35:1 and the Output Aspect Ratio (OAR) also to 2.35:1 for my 16:9 panel PJ and this will stretch the image for use with an Anamorphic Lens to give me a Scope presentation ?

I know this works with 480i inputs and I'll be very pleased if I've understood this correctly as it offers a bit of future proofing of my purchase . I know I'd be down-rezzing a 1080p signal but this should still be acceptable until I could swap out everything somewhere down the road .

Thanks for all the help.

Scott................. :D

Correct me if I'm wrong , and I'm hoping I'm not , but with the latest HD+ firmware we can now "process" a 720p and 1080i signal on the DVI input and not have it simply pass-through ?

This tells me that with a 720p signal , maybe down-rez'd from an HD or BD player , I can still set the Active Input Aspect Ratio (AIAR) to say 2.35:1 and the Output Aspect Ratio (OAR) also to 2.35:1 for my 16:9 panel PJ and this will stretch the image for use with an Anamorphic Lens to give me a Scope presentation ?

I know this works with 480i inputs and I'll be very pleased if I've understood this correctly as it offers a bit of future proofing of my purchase . I know I'd be down-rezzing a 1080p signal but this should still be acceptable until I could swap out everything somewhere down the road .

Thanks for all the help.

Scott................. :D



From the DVDO website,

480i/576i DVI Support

The iScan HD+ supports DVI input signals that have RGB (4:4:4) colorspace. DVI input signals with YCbCr (4:2:2 and 4:4:4) colorspace are not supported by the iScan HD+. Because of this, they may be processed incorrectly.

DVI input signals that are processed are as follows:
• 480i (RGB 4:4:4)
• 480p (RGB 4:4:4)
• 576p (RGB 4:4:4)
• 720p (RGB 4:4:4)
• 1080i (RGB 4:4:4)

I recently purchased a plasma whose native resolution is 1360 X 768, which by the way, the plasma doesn't accept natively thorugh its HDMI input. However, it will accept 1360 X 768 through its PC input which is analog.

Sitting in the component rack is the SDI modified Denon 5900 DVD player connected to the HD+ which has an analog output that can do 1360 X 768.

Question I have is I vagely recall something about the analog output of the HD+ only works when you send an analog into the HD+, therefore, sending in a digital SDI signal expecting a crossconversion to to analog out still won't work. or will it?

My plasma is 852x480, and I use the VGA feed ("PC") to the screen.
I feed the set top box component output and the DVD ditto into the HD+
This combination gives me the cleanest picture.
I can set the DVD to hdmi out and use the HD+ dvi input, and the HD+ still outputs through the VGA socket (there are actually two sockets: one VGA and one VGA-THROUGH).

BTW- I tried routing the two component leads through my Arcam FMJ AV8 processor and feed the output through another component lead to the Panny display, but PQ was much
worse.

Seems the scaler really can improve a picture!
I have the little black devil from since it appeared on the market and I still love it!

Maybe it helps in my best setup I set the HD+ output resolution to 852x480, which is the Panny's initial resolution?
And I use a really good VGA cable- double shielded plus ferrite screening.

O.K. so inputting SDI into a HD+ and outputting analog via VGA to VGA to my Pioneer plasma worked. Did find that I had to change the synch in order for the display to recognize it as 1360 X 768 60.

Using the HD+ judder test, I did find stuttering and scrolling tearing of the pattern. Not a pretty sight. Any suggestions where to start looking?

Does the HD+ offer custom aspect ratios (on the output) vs the HD? I was looking at the JVB website and I see the HD to HD+ upgrade does not mention this feature of the HD+. ..and more importantly, are these aspect ratio controls absent on the HD?

Does the HD+ offer custom aspect ratios (on the output) vs the HD? I was looking at the JVB website and I see the HD to HD+ upgrade does not mention this feature of the HD+. ..and more importantly, are these aspect ratio controls absent on the HD?
I'm really interested about the answer to this question too.

Yes. Both the HD and HD+ have user-definable output resolutions.

Excuse me but how can you be sure, as from what I just read in their product pdf manual on dvdo website, they only offer a choice of preset output resolution in the osd menu ?

Well, I have the HD+ now, so I guess I shall experiement and see :)

Excuse me but how can you be sure, as from what I just read in their product pdf manual on dvdo website, they only offer a choice of preset output resolution in the osd menu ?

See page 17 of the HD manual and Page 14 of the HD+ manual. Full control of all aspects of output timing.

- Collin

It seems to me that one should use a DVD player that does NO de-interlacing and certainly no up-conversion/scaling when using the iScan.

Is this correct? If so, does your standard run-of-the-mill progressive scan player offer the option of NOT de-interlacing and just outputting the 480i signal?

Most of the progressive dvd players I have seen offer interlaced output at 480i.

I use my ISCAN HD both ways. For movies that were filmed in 24fps I use the ISCAN HD to deinterlace. When I watch 30fps video I use the Faroudja deinterlacing in my my player. I can use the scaling in the ISCAN HD for both interlace and progressive output from my player.

Thanks for those responses about DVD sources and interlacing!

Here's another question: suppose I'm using my DVD player to de-interlace, but it's having trouble with the material and the output changes mode as a result. Will the iScan pick it up and handle the change? In other words, can it make up for deficiencies in a DVD player's deinterlacing?

Sweet. That's kinda what I wanted to know. I will have a CP-72 dvd changer so I hope to use the Faroudja sometimes when I want to watch video. I know for a fact that the HD+ will process just about anything progressive or interlaced.

* * *

? Is it possible to send 480i via SDI to the HD+ and output 480i on DVI ?

* * *

It seems to me that one should use a DVD player that does NO de-interlacing and certainly no up-conversion/scaling when using the iScan.

Is this correct? If so, does your standard run-of-the-mill progressive scan player offer the option of NOT de-interlacing and just outputting the 480i signal?


The Pioneer Elite 59avi(79avi too) has always been a popular choice because it can output 480i over HDMI. There are several other player that can do it now too. As far as analog 480i the best of the best are still the venerable RP91/82 and XP30/50.

SDI is even better.

Ok, so the CP-72 I am getting will have SDI, and that is great, and the 480i output is also good seeing as how it is the top panny MPEG decoder. Also have 480p faroudja out..but again, there is no way to output interlaced over the DVI of the iScan HD+?

Ok, so the CP-72 I am getting will have SDI, and that is great, and the 480i output is also good seeing as how it is the top panny MPEG decoder. Also have 480p faroudja out..but again, there is no way to output interlaced over the DVI of the iScan HD+?

No the DVDO cannot output 480i. I'm not sure why you'd want to do that though, you'd be bypassing almost all the processing the DVDO. Do you want to feed it into some second processor or something? If that's the case there are simpler SDI to DVI converters out there.

- Collin

That is what I was thinking. The iScan HD+ does awesome film de-interlacing, but... if I had the Mitsubishi HC5000 for instance, it has a Reon processor, so it would be interesting to feed the Mits 480i via DVI. I suppose there are dvd players that do that, but I will have an SDI dvd player, so if I can convert SDI to DVI, maybe that is an option. I doubt it will be all that important anyhow. For the odd time I want to use a de-interlacer other than the iScan, such as some video dvd's, I could use the Faroujda and go with analog component. Taking 480i via SDI to DVI to the Mits gives another option of trying the Reon processing in the Mits and going all digital. Of course I could feed the Mits analog component too. Lots of options. Too bad there is no SDI output after the Faroudja in the Panny CP-72.

What would an SDI to DVI converting cost? Aren't they different formats? I don't even know if the Mitsubishi would accept 480i over DVI. Just a curiosity since I probably cannot afford the Mitsubishi HC5000 any time soon. Anyhow....

:p

That is what I was thinking. The iScan HD+ does awesome film de-interlacing, but... if I had the Mitsubishi HC5000 for instance, it has a Reon processor, so it would be interesting to feed the Mits 480i via DVI. I suppose there are dvd players that do that, but I will have an SDI dvd player, so if I can convert SDI to DVI, maybe that is an option. I doubt it will be all that important anyhow. For the odd time I want to use a de-interlacer other than the iScan, such as some video dvd's, I could use the Faroujda and go with analog component. Taking 480i via SDI to DVI to the Mits gives another option of trying the Reon processing in the Mits and going all digital. Of course I could feed the Mits analog component too. Lots of options. Too bad there is no SDI output after the Faroudja in the Panny CP-72.

SD SDI is only interlaced so it can't be placed after the Faroujda.

What would an SDI to DVI converting cost? Aren't they different formats? I don't even know if the Mitsubishi would accept 480i over DVI. Just a curiosity since I probably cannot afford the Mitsubishi HC5000 any time soon. Anyhow....

Actually they're pricier than I expected. They look like they're in the $500 to $1000 range. Try a Google search.

- Collin

Yeah, I saw some of the prices. I am sure something could be found used/eBay for less than $500...but is that even worth it? I wouldn't pay more than $250.

Is there no spec for 480p via SDI?

Maybe adding SDI or DVI after faroudja on a dvd player is prohibitively expensive anyhow. I am lucky enough to be getting a dvd player with the top o' the line panny MPEG with SDI output with the option of using it's 480p faroudja output, all for a reasonable price. The fact that the faroudja output is analog is bearable. At least I have the option :cool: I guess that is good enough. Perhaps the SDI to DVI is an option I will keep in mind in case I go with a Mitsubishi some day...or something similar :)

I,m looking at a hd+ but need to know if i can take a 1080i input [component or dvi from tosd hd-a1] correctly convert it [not bob or weave] and scale it to a custom resolution for a crt projector? thanks jeff melb australia

I,m looking at a hd+ but need to know if i can take a 1080i input [component or dvi from tosd hd-a1] correctly convert it [not bob or weave] and scale it to a custom resolution for a crt projector? thanks jeff melb australia

The HD, HD+, VP20 & VP30 will BOB deinterlace 1080i. You need the VP50 to get inverse telecine and motion/edge adaptive deinterlacing for 1080i.

- Collin

I figured as much. Does that mean most HDTV signals look crappy on digital sets without a VP 50?

I figured as much. Does that mean most HDTV signals look crappy on digital sets without a VP 50?

No, 1080i looks pretty good. In fact most progressive displays will convert 1080i to 720p or 1080p using a BOB style conversion and things look pretty good. The move from the VP30 to VP50 however did make a big improvement in the quality of 1080i deinterlacing for me. The biggest difference for me is increased sharpness, particularly for film based sources. In short the HD, HD+ & VP30 1080i conversion looks decent, but the VP50 conversion is jaw dropping. This is even on my 720p set.

- Collin

No, 1080i looks pretty good. In fact most progressive displays will convert 1080i to 720p or 1080p using a BOB style conversion and things look pretty good. The move from the VP30 to VP50 however did make a big improvement in the quality of 1080i deinterlacing for me. The biggest difference for me is increased sharpness, particularly for film based sources. In short the HD, HD+ & VP30 1080i conversion looks decent, but the VP50 conversion is jaw dropping. This is even on my 720p set.

- Collin

I should also mention that I think the video mode processing of 480i is the biggest weakness of the HD/HD+. 1080i conversion never combs and is good enough unless you're big into HD and film mode 480i deinterlacing is jaw dropping, but 480i video processing combs a lot on the HD/HD+. The VP30/ABT102 and VP50 video mode 480i deinterlacing is so much better.

- Collin

Interesting. I guess I will try things out. I suppose for video mode I will use the 480p faroudja output on my dvd player. It will be a while before I can afford a VP30/ABT or VP50.

Hi,

I have a problem with my recently acquired Iscan HD+: from a interlaced component source, the DVI output is perfect; but when I try to go trough VGA analog output, the monitor stays black, even the OSD of the Iscan isn't displayed. I've read in the manual that some tuning might be needed with sync, so I selected this option on the Iscan, but I couldn't tune it. Could somebody help me please?

Hi,

I have a problem with my recently acquired Iscan HD+: from a interlaced component source, the DVI output is perfect; but when I try to go trough VGA analog output, the monitor stays black, even the OSD of the Iscan isn't displayed. I've read in the manual that some tuning might be needed with sync, so I selected this option on the Iscan, but I couldn't tune it. Could somebody help me please?

Only one output is active at a time (analog or digital). If you would like to activate the analog output, you need to go change the 'Analog/Digital' setting in the 'Output Setup' menu to 'Analog'.

Hi guys. I have an iScan HD+ and a Panasonic CP-72 5 disc dvd changer with SDI mod.

Quick question regarding the iScan HD+ and SDI vs component.

When I use SDI I have a problem. The actual dvd's play shifted down a bunch of pixels and oddly, when just powered on, the dvd player blank "DVD VIDEO-AUDIO" blue screen is shifted up a bunch of pixels. I have tried a 2.35:1 movie and a 1.78:1 movie and it is obvious that the image is shifted, not squished or otherwise distored. I though I tried everything, but I cannot restore the proper geometry so that it matches the full screen I see via the component inputs.

BTW I have a Hitachi PJ TX200 and nothing I do with that changes anything, and again, the component looks fine while the SDI is shifted down.

I will try the line offset again, but I thought it didn't work last time.

thanks in advance for any help,

:)

Hi guys. I have an iScan HD+ and a Panasonic CP-72 5 disc dvd changer with SDI mod.

Quick question regarding the iScan HD+ and SDI vs component.

When I use SDI I have a problem. The actual dvd's play shifted down a bunch of pixels and oddly, when just powered on, the dvd player blank "DVD VIDEO-AUDIO" blue screen is shifted up a bunch of pixels. I have tried a 2.35:1 movie and a 1.78:1 movie and it is obvious that the image is shifted, not squished or otherwise distored. I though I tried everything, but I cannot restore the proper geometry so that it matches the full screen I see via the component inputs.

BTW I have a Hitachi PJ TX200 and nothing I do with that changes anything, and again, the component looks fine while the SDI is shifted down.

I will try the line offset again, but I thought it didn't work last time.

thanks in advance for any help,

:)

Try adjusting the "Line Offset" control. On my SDI modified Yamaha CX-1 (changer with Panny RP-82 internals) my Line Offset needs to be set to about 12.

- Collin

Yep, it was late at night and I was getting annoyed. I have managed to fix the players over-underscan so that the screen is fine and it did need the line-offset to be adjusted. Oddly though, the weird up-shift is still there during the Panasonic blue screen, not that it matters. Now I am trying to attend to some other issues to due with regions and the component outs.

thanks for the help,

:)

Chris

Here is a question. For the longest time, I was using the DARKER setting in all my Panasonic dvd players (iirc) and running the component outs to my iScan Ultra and HD and now to my HD+. I think I have always set my Panasonic CV 51, the F87 I had briefly, and my F85 to DARKER and now I started out with this CP-72 set to DARKER. Now that I have SDI on this CP-72, when comparing the SDI picture to the component picture, I noticed that the SDI setting is actually the same as the dvd player set to LIGHTER. I think calibrating the SDI output has yielded a better picture. I am almost positive all the settings in the dvd player and iScan HD+ for the various inputs were the same for brightness and contrast etc.

So have I been using my Panasonic DVD players incorrectly all this time? I have set them to DARKER because they say to do this when using component outputs, and use LIGHTER when using S-VIDEO. Now that I use SDI, it looks identicaly in brightness/contrast to the LIGHTER setting on component.

Anybody?

Here is a question. For the longest time, I was using the DARKER setting in all my Panasonic dvd players (iirc) and running the component outs to my iScan Ultra and HD and now to my HD+. I think I have always set my Panasonic CV 51, the F87 I had briefly, and my F85 to DARKER and now I started out with this CP-72 set to DARKER. Now that I have SDI on this CP-72, when comparing the SDI picture to the component picture, I noticed that the SDI setting is actually the same as the dvd player set to LIGHTER. I think calibrating the SDI output has yielded a better picture. I am almost positive all the settings in the dvd player and iScan HD+ for the various inputs were the same for brightness and contrast etc.

So have I been using my Panasonic DVD players incorrectly all this time? I have set them to DARKER because they say to do this when using component outputs, and use LIGHTER when using S-VIDEO. Now that I use SDI, it looks identicaly in brightness/contrast to the LIGHTER setting on component.

Anybody?

You were doing the right thing before. Lighter means use a 7.5IRE setup which is only needed for S-Video and Composite.

- Collin

Right. It is coming back to me. 0 IRE vs 7.5 IRE. I got confused when talk went to BLACK 16 for PC's...I am still confused about all that. I guess I should review.

Ok, then why does my SDI output look lighter than the DARKER setting for component with all other settings equal? I will have to do some more comparing.

When I calibrate using the LIGHTER setting, the contrast appears to look good and I can see shadow details ok too. This is weird. I was frustrated with the look of the dvd's lately, and now they seem to look better. Better blacks, better contrast and shadow details.

I am using DVI and I have my iScan HD+ DVI setting set to VIDEO and not PC and my projectors HDMI input set to "normal" and not "enhanced" (enhanced looks lighter still and more washed out). Should I change my iScan HD+ video setting.

Another rather weird irony is that I could have sworn that I saw somewhere, perhaps in the secrets test, that the Panasonic CP-72 passes below black, but it is the first dvd player I have used which won't show the drop-shadow behind the THX logo on the optimizer on the TRON dvd. Perhaps I have some settings wrong here. I cannot change the LIGHTER/DARKER setting because it has no effect to the SDI output.

Right. It is coming back to me. 0 IRE vs 7.5 IRE. I got confused when talk went to BLACK 16 for PC's...I am still confused about all that. I guess I should review.

Ok, then why does my SDI output look lighter than the DARKER setting for component with all other settings equal? I will have to do some more comparing.

When I calibrate using the LIGHTER setting, the contrast appears to look good and I can see shadow details ok too. This is weird. I was frustrated with the look of the dvd's lately, and now they seem to look better. Better blacks, better contrast and shadow details.

I am using DVI and I have my iScan HD+ DVI setting set to VIDEO and not PC and my projectors HDMI input set to "normal" and not "enhanced" (enhanced looks lighter still and more washed out). Should I change my iScan HD+ video setting.

Another rather weird irony is that I could have sworn that I saw somewhere, perhaps in the secrets test, that the Panasonic CP-72 passes below black, but it is the first dvd player I have used which won't show the drop-shadow behind the THX logo on the optimizer on the TRON dvd. Perhaps I have some settings wrong here. I cannot change the LIGHTER/DARKER setting because it has no effect to the SDI output.

I don't know about the component vs. SDI levels issue you're having. It's been a long time since I ran component into my VP.

I definitely get below black over SDI on my CX-1 which is very similar internally to the CP-72. The DVE pluge test pattern shows three black bars on each side if I crank brightness up.

Video levels mean that for a digital signal black is at 16 and white at 235 (out of 255). PC levels mean that black is at 0 and white is at 255. You want video levels if at all possible. This is to give black and white some headroom just like on a pro-grade mastering monitor.

Therefore, I would leave your HD+ at video levels. I love imprecise terms like enhanced and normal. I think normal is probably the correct setting for your projector. If enhanced makes things too light this probably means you are reading a video level output as a PC level input. 16 is supposed to be black in video levels, but in the PC levels world its a dark gray.

- Collin

Fair enough. It does make sense to leave it all in video and normal. Yeah, words are often very misleading. The Secrets review of the CP 72 definitely mentions the CP-72 as being able to pass below black information.

I am curious to know the deal with my SDI and components DARKER vs LIGHTER. Anybody else?

thanx again,

:)

Good morning, all

I just upgraded my display to a 1080p model, and I have been feeding the HD+ a 720p signal from my Motorola 6208 HD box. Now that I am running the HD+ output at 1080p, would I be better off setting the 6208 to output 1080i? Is it better to let the HD+ scale 720p to 1080p, or de-interlace 1080i to 1080p? I realize the HD+ doesn't have the best 1080i de-interlacing available.

Having a Iscan HD+ too, I wonder what other vp do you think are better for deinterlacing ?

Having a Iscan HD+ too, I wonder what other vp do you think are better for deinterlacing ?

Specifically when it comes to 1080i, the HD+ does not use the most effective method (it's great for 480i material); the VP50 would be a better option. There are also other manufacturers out there with offerings that handle 1080i better than the HD+.

When I picked up my HD+, it was the best that DVDO had to offer, and the newer generations from other manufacturers were not yet on the market. I also purchased it primarily for 480i de-interlacing and scaling, so 1080i de-interlacing capability wasn't a concern.

Specifically when it comes to 1080i, the HD+ does not use the most effective method (it's great for 480i material); the VP50 would be a better option. There are also other manufacturers out there with offerings that handle 1080i better than the HD+.

When I picked up my HD+, it was the best that DVDO had to offer, and the newer generations from other manufacturers were not yet on the market. I also purchased it primarily for 480i de-interlacing and scaling, so 1080i de-interlacing capability wasn't a concern.

I'm thinking about a VP 20 with 102 card. How does the HD+ handle SD? I have heard various opinions about results when scaled to 720p. Some say it's nearly perfect and others say barely any improvement.

hi, I recently got my HD upgraded to HD+ but when running the firmware update it get get stuck on "Erasing device 2"

I've tried the hard-reset. redownloaded both TTerm, and .abt file, several times. The RS232 cable I bought a couple of months ago to update the then HD to the latest firmware: it worked then, so I'm pretty sure it isn't the cable. I'm running Windows XP with SP2 on the PC.

Hmm, I don't remember if the machine had any "Device 2" when it was "just" HD. Which means is the device 2 thingy an HD+ thingy only, and what is the Device 2 refering too?

Is this an unknown problem, software problem, or hardware problem? And what is the solution?

(The know HD+ is in a state of "Load", which means no movies :(

thanks

Which firmware did you try to upgrade to , the HDP-6.7-2.91 or the HD-5.6-1.42 ?

Was your HD hardware upgraded to an HD+ , if so then the HDP firmware should work .

You may have to reload a previous version and then start over .

Scott...............

Which firmware did you try to upgrade to , the HDP-6.7-2.91 or the HD-5.6-1.42 ?

Was your HD hardware upgraded to an HD+ , if so then the HDP firmware should work .

You may have to reload a previous version and then start over .

Scott...............

Thanks a bunch. Now it works ... HD+ with 6 7, 2.91. And X-mas is saved. :)

I have Mits HC 900 FP (native res. 1024X576). I watch dvd by OPPO through DVI (576P) and works very well.
I also have other sources: 480i, 576i and 480p, which go through DVDO HD+ components to HC 900 components. I could only get 72P6 to work. Both 576P and 1024X756 didn't work well. The colors were messed up. The same component signals sent to LCD moniter (through component to RGB converter) were all working well. I need help. Thanks

hi, I recently got my HD upgraded to HD+ but when running the firmware update it get get stuck on "Erasing device 2"

. . . .
thanks
May I ask where you got the upgrade done? I thought the upgrade had been discontinued.

Thanks in advance

May I ask where you got the upgrade done? I thought the upgrade had been discontinued.

Thanks in advance

Firmware is still available on DVDO's site here...

http://www.dvdo.com/update/update-hd.php

Good Luck ,

Scott................... :)

Firmware is still available on DVDO's site here...

http://www.dvdo.com/update/update-hd.php

Good Luck ,

Scott................... :)


He's asking about upgrading a HD to a HD+ not a firmware upgrade. This requires a new board.

Gary

He's asking about upgrading a HD to a HD+ not a firmware upgrade. This requires a new board.

Gary
That is correct. The upgrade used to be available at JVBDigital. But a while back they had a message that DVDO had discontinued that product, so they could no longer offer it.

I bought the HD from Germany (www.image.ag), the same Iscan distributor later did the upgrade to HD+. As I understand it both the HD and HD+ board where so called trade-in products that they still had. (I bought the HD in September and the upgrade in November, both this year.) ;)

Does the iScan HD+ suffer from the audio dropout issues seen on the VP20/30/50?

Does the iScan HD+ suffer from the audio dropout issues seen on the VP20/30/50?

Nope. No audio problems for me until I upgraded to the VP30 and then the VP50.

- Collin

Hi all,
I try to use the analog VGA input for my P50 Vizio (to 1:1 mapping)
I feed my HD+ using DVI from Oppo 970 (480i) but I have no picture.
The LED has Blue flashing - manual says it will not output HDCP protected signal on its analog output !!! Is this true ?

I have read many Vizio P50 owner using HD+ to achieve native rez (to by-pass internal scaler) by using VGA input (not DVI)

I try HD+ DVI output 1366x768 but my Vizio won't sync, 1080P and 720P is okay
Any suggestion?

Thanks
Thuan

Hi all,
I try to use the analog VGA input for my P50 Vizio (to 1:1 mapping)
I feed my HD+ using DVI from Oppo 970 (480i) but I have no picture.
The LED has Blue flashing - manual says it will not output HDCP protected signal on its analog output !!! Is this true ?

...

Thanks
Thuan

Yepp, it seem that most (HDCP) players which output 480i/576i over HDMI/DVI even have the interlaced signal copy protected. Pain in the rump it is. :(

Read that the LG 9900H could be "hacked" to shut off the HDCP, but I don't know if that is true or if the 9900H is a good player otherwise.

It seems that if you don't want to upgrade to SDI on player and HD+ your pretty limited to "less well built" players like Neodigits, momitsu, and the like.

So the SDI doesn't pass along HDCP info ?
I have an old Momitsu but not sure its DVI-I 480i output is "clean" enough compare to SDI raw"
Thanks
Thuan

So the SDI doesn't pass along HDCP info ?
I have an old Momitsu but not sure its DVI-I 480i output is "clean" enough compare to SDI raw"
Thanks
Thuan


SDI doesn't pass the HDCP, it by-passes the copy protectionen, and pretty much everything else, pretty much taking the (software) source from the (harware) source at the source ... I think (I'm kinda of new to the whole going digital from source to VP thing myself,) but if I got it all right you can't utilize things as gamma from the DVD player [if it has it] if you go SDI, because it by-passes all that kind of hardware/software in the player. (anyone correct me if I'm wrong.)

I had a yamakawa 365 once, which was a momitsu clone I guess, but with even worse hardware ... cheaper do ... DOH!

If your momitsu is an 880 thingy, check to see if you can update your firmware/software to the latest ... I know the 880DX can output 480i/576i through DVI without HDCP with latest firmware/software upgrade. I'm not sure about the earlier 880's though, or versions of it like the 880N model.

Hi,
I ran into other problem mention earlier: my Vizio P50 can sync with 1366x768 from my PC (via VGA), but won't sync with 1366x768 from my HD+ (neither VGA nor DVI)

Not sure if something is wrong with my HD+ ?
1080p60 and 720p60 is sync okay
Please help (if anyone here using this resolution on your display)
Thank you
Thuan

For those still sitting on the fence or looking for a pre-VPxx product , DVDO has reduced the price of their B-Stock units today . The HD+ is now $799 with an output cable of your choice .

The Checkout page still shows $999 so you may have to phone this in . Be sure to ask for a copy of the VRS Test disc too :D

Scott.................. :) :) :)

I have been able to replicate a weird studdering problem with my setup involving the HD+. It usually happens on Pulp Fiction SE when I pause and un-pause when watching with the DTS soundtrack. After un-pausing, the picture has a re-curring stuttering thing going on. Not to mention that the audio gets out of synch. I am going to run the audio through the iScan HD+ and watch the video on a TV at the same time via composite out from my DVD player to trouble shoot. I have seen this before.

For those still sitting on the fence or looking for a pre-VPxx product , DVDO has reduced the price of their B-Stock units today . The HD+ is now $799 with an output cable of your choice .



I'm a poor slob so the HD+ is about the best I can do for my RP CRT.

Thanks for the tip ;)

I'm a poor slob so the HD+ is about the best I can do for my RP CRT.

Thanks for the tip ;)

Being a poor slob has nothing to do with it :) The HD+ is an affordable Scaler that works very well and has done so for quite some time . It is not afflicted with the Audio problems of its bigger brothers and never will be .

I have a modest setup with minimum inputs and a 720p Display and Anamorphic Lens and Screen . The HD+ will do everything I need for now and a little into the future as well .

I really can't see a $3K device making me any happier any time soon .

Scott................ :D

I been thinking this over since my post and will be placing an order for my "modest setup" soon. Time to put my iScan Pro into retirement.

thanks again

I'm quite confused, despite reading the first dozen or so pages in this thread.

Let me just pose a simple question.

I have a 46" rear projection Hitachi tv (model 46F510).

Attached to that, I have an el cheapo Philips Dvp 642 and a low end satellite box.

I would like to run both of these devices thru this iscan hd+ thing, basically just to improve the picture that I see on my tv.

Am I on the right track...??

(note, I'm way too poor to buy anything more expensive, even this is a stretch, which is why I wanna make sure I understand this correctly)

Any thoughts, opinions or advice will be most appreciated.


Thanks

Rickkins - You are absolutely right.

I would suggest that you use the component connection out of your DVD player (set to output 480i) and the S-Video out of your 'low-end' satellite box (which I imagine is not HD) to connect to the iScan HD+. With most rear projection CRTs either 540p or 1080i out of the iScan HD+ will net the best picture quality and with your set I would recommend the DVI connection.

Hi Josh,

Could you please explain to me how to set a custom resolution in the parameters of advanced user mode, to match the output of my Iscan HD+ with the specs of my monitor:

Synchronization
Horizontal 30 ~ 81 kHz
Vertical 56 ~ 75 Hz
Optimum resolution WSXGA 1680 x 1050 @ 60 Hz (Analog/Digital)
Input Signal,Terminated
RGB Analog, DVI Compliant Digital RGB
0.7 Vp-p ± 5%,TTL level (V high 2.0V, V low 0.8V)
Maximum Pixel Clock 165 MHz

I'm not familiar with the notions of Horizontal/Vertical Sync, Front/Back porch.

But am I right to suppose that the Horizontal total and Vertical total custom output resolution of the Iscan should be equal the optimal horizontal and vertical resolution of my display ?

Hi Josh,

Could you please explain to me how to set a custom resolution in the parameters of advanced user mode, to match the output of my Iscan HD+ with the specs of my monitor:

Synchronization
Horizontal 30 ~ 81 kHz
Vertical 56 ~ 75 Hz
Optimum resolution WSXGA 1680 x 1050 @ 60 Hz (Analog/Digital)
Input Signal,Terminated
RGB Analog, DVI Compliant Digital RGB
0.7 Vp-p ± 5%,TTL level (V high 2.0V, V low 0.8V)
Maximum Pixel Clock 165 MHz

I'm not familiar with the notions of Horizontal/Vertical Sync, Front/Back porch.

But am I right to suppose that the Horizontal total and Vertical total custom output resolution of the Iscan should be equal the optimal horizontal and vertical resolution of my display ?

I have a Sceptre 20.1" LCD at my desk with the same native resolution. All I needed to do (with a VP50) was start with the 1080p-60 preset and change the Horizontal size to '1680' and the vertical size to '1050'. You do need to be in the advanced 'User' menu before you can make these adjustments (Config->User->Advanced). I verified that I set it up correctly with the Frame Geometry test pattern (it was postioned correctly and I saw the 1-pixel wide border around the edge of the image), and the Checkerboard was displayed with 1:1 pixel mapping as well.

Hello,

I just added the Sony BDP-S1 Blu-Ray player to my system and am having a problem getting it and the Directv HR20 both working at the same time.

The Sony is connected to the iScan HD+'s DVI port using an HDMI/DVI cable. The HR20 is connected to the Component 1 input. Audio for both are coming through two of the optical inputs.

The problem is that whenever I set the resolution on the HR20 to anything higher than 480P (it goes up to 1080i), I lose the picture and get the audio from the Sony player.

The DVI input setting on the iScan is set to Auto.

With the resolution on the HR20 set to 480i or 480p, I get picture and sound, but the high def channels don't look right.

Just wondering if anyone has any ideas what I may be doing wrong? Or is it just time to upgrade to one of the newer units with more HDMI inputs?

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

Mark

The problem is that whenever I set the resolution on the HR20 to anything higher than 480P (it goes up to 1080i), I lose the picture and get the audio from the Sony player.

The DVI input setting on the iScan is set to Auto.

With the resolution on the HR20 set to 480i or 480p, I get picture and sound, but the high def channels don't look right.

Just wondering if anyone has any ideas what I may be doing wrong? Or is it just time to upgrade to one of the newer units with more HDMI inputs?


The iScan HD+ can not process a component HD signal. This is one of the major differences between the HD+ and the VPx0 family of processors which can process component HD and have more digital inputs (as you point out).

Thanks Josh. I have enjoyed my DVDO processor for almost two years now. Guess it is time to upgrade.

Which of the new units would you recommend for my setup:

Mitsubishi HC5000 1080P projector
Sony BDP-S1 Blu-ray player (1080P capable)
DirecTv HR20 (1080i)
Pioneer Laserdisc player
Denon 3805 receiver

Do any of the new units support the 1080P/24 format. I noticed that my new blu-ray player does as well as my projector.

Thanks,
Mark

Dear Josh,

I'm experiencing trouble mapping my HD+ with my newly acquired Samsung LCD LE40S71B 1:1. While it works perfectly with the 720p setting of dvdo, if I try to map it with the Samsung real native resolution, which is 1366x768 (even if the manual states that the maximum resolution you can map with, let's say, a pc is 1360x760 with 60,015 hz in vertical frequency) the tv says the signal isn't recognized.

Which settings must I insert in the advanced option?

Your help is really appreciated here.

Thanks in advance and best regards,

Michele.


P.s. -I own also, for which I originally purchased my hd+, a sharp z201 projector, which has a 1024x576 resolution. With that resolution it works perfectly, so I think I don't need to further investigate settings.. Is it?

I noticed that I can send the HD+ an interlaced or progressive signal and the HD+ doesn't have a problem with a progressive signal. Thought that was interesting. Not like it's of much use to me. I was hoping the VIDEO mode of the faroudja chip in the Panny dvd player would have gotten rid of the jaggies on TV shows on DVD but no luck. Stupid video camera source I guess. I also noticed that running the audio through the iScan HD+ may synch the audio without my having to adjust anything.

I'm experiencing trouble mapping my HD+ with my newly acquired Samsung LCD LE40S71B 1:1. While it works perfectly with the 720p setting of dvdo, if I try to map it with the Samsung real native resolution, which is 1366x768 (even if the manual states that the maximum resolution you can map with, let's say, a pc is 1360x760 with 60,015 hz in vertical frequency) the tv says the signal isn't recognized.

Which settings must I insert in the advanced option?


I looked at the manual for your display and I found these on Page 5 and 23, respectively. Note that the first one covers the specs for the HDMI input (which is also called the 'DVI input' in the manual) and component inputs, whereas the second covers the analog input ("DVI does not support PC function", at the bottom). It looks like your display can only accept 1:1 timing on the analog (PC)input, but the not HDMI input.

I looked at the manual for your display and I found these on Page 5 and 23, respectively. Note that the first one covers the specs for the HDMI input (which is also called the 'DVI input' in the manual) and component inputs, whereas the second covers the analog input ("DVI does not support PC function", at the bottom). It looks like your display can only accept 1:1 timing on the analog (PC)input, but the not HDMI input.


Hello Josh!

First of all, thanks for your advice.

Second, yes, you're right I've seen that in the manual, but it seems strange to me that a display of that sort can't do 1:1 mapping on digital input. If this is the case, however, which mode do you advise me to use with the hd+ for best viewing?

And, moreover, between the 1:1 mapped signal in analog, out from the dvdo and the 720p, that one also from the dvdo, in digital, which one do you think is the best?

Thanks in advance for your valuable time.

Best regards,

Dazzi Michele.

Well the HD+ is finally in the house :D

After a few long years of research and saving my pennies , the price dropped and I jumped . Excellent dealings with Ken at DVDO . Package arrived quicker than expected . Well packed , all the bells and whistles including the free cable and VRS disk .

Did not take long to hook up and get a picture . The unit came with the old version of firmware :mad: but it took only ten minutes to flash the latest and I was good to go.

I'm feeding 480i from an Oppo 970HD via HDMI to my Pioneer 74 receiver . From there via HDMI/DVI cable to the HD+ and then via DVI to my Infocus SP5000 LCD PJ.

The PJ will accept a 48hz Framerate from the HD+ , as shown by the Judder Test, and in Native mode does not add any further processing , as shown by the Checkerboard pattern .

Using the Contrast / Brightness and Saturation controls in the HD+ as these are disabled in the SP5000 when in Native mode . Much better picture now than ever before . Just looks that little bit more 3D with better depth . I haven't run a full Cal yet as time is short this month :p

Started to worry last night watching Star Wars Episode 1 . Saw all kinds of EE but not all the time during the movie . Searched the Internet and found that this release is dreadfull for EE . The PAL version appears to be better though .

I've yet to set up any other AR's as I will need at least one for the Anamorphic setup I have . It will be nice to be able to save these into Presets and simply call them up at the AR changes .

All in all , no regets . I have a modest setup and will have for many years to come and the HD+ just fits my needs .

Thanks to everyone here on this Thread and Josh and the guys at DVDO .

Scott.............................. :)

Dear Josh,

Today I noticed an annoying glitch on the output display of my Iscan HD+:
the forms of the primary colors like blue and red are slightly shifted to the right from the rest of the picture.
You can check it on my photo:
http://www.mediamax.com/jp_80/Hosted/DSC01675.jpg

I am certain that the problem is located on the Iscan HD+ as the shifted colors still appear when I tried :
- 2 different console system, ps2 and gamecube,
- 2 different component cable on the input,
- to output the display through VGA and DVI

Of course I checked cables were tightly plugged on the Iscan and my display.

Now I wonder if the cause is a wrong setup in the software menu, and if it is the case then how to correct it?
Or is the hardware defective ?

Dear Josh,

Today I noticed an annoying glitch on the output display of my Iscan HD+:
the forms of the primary colors like blue and red are slightly shifted to the right from the rest of the picture.
You can check it on my photo:

I am certain that the problem is located on the Iscan HD+ as the shifted colors still appear when I tried :
- 2 different console system, ps2 and gamecube,
- 2 different component cable on the input,
- to output the display through VGA and DVI

Of course I checked cables were tightly plugged on the Iscan and my display.

Now I wonder if the cause is a wrong setup in the software menu, and if it is the case then how to correct it?
Or is the hardware defective ?

Did you bypass the HD+ and route your signal directly to your Display ? What kind of Display are you using ? Just curious as I have the HD+ as well .

Scott............................ :cool:

I didn't bypass the HD+ as I need it to deinterlace and scale my source. My display is a Samsung monitor.

Well it seems like either DVDO staff has gone on holiday for some time, or it doesn't support the Iscan HD+ anymore...

Anyway luckily I've managed to find the reason why the primary colors were shifted : In picture control, the Y/C delay was not set to 0 !

Well it seems like either DVDO staff has gone on holiday for some time, or it doesn't support the Iscan HD+ anymore...

Anyway luckily I've managed to find the reason why the primary colors were shifted : In picture control, the Y/C delay was not set to 0 !

It seems to me that they don't care anymore for us, once we have paid for our dvdo hd+. Now they have vp30 and above to sell.

Shame on you.

Well then it will be up to us to keep this Thread alive :p

So , anyone using the HD+ with an Anamorphic Lens ? I am and I'm looking for some input on how others are setting up the HD+ to get the Vertical Stretch .

I've got a solution , just not the one I was expecting . I ploughed through all the Input Aspect Ratios / Frame Aspect Ratios / Output Aspect Ratios / Display / Screen etc. etc. and the only thing that "worked" was setting the Frame Aspect Ratio to 4:3 :confused:

I'm sure there should be another combination of controls so I'd like to hear from anyone who has solved this . I do have the latest , and last , firmware .

I was able to add a small zoom to 1.85:1 and save it into a Preset but I can't seem to get anything useful for 2.35:1 :cool:

Scott............. :o

trying not to cross post this, but not sure which forum is the most appropriate.

Has anyone had success getting the iScan HD+ feeding 1366x768 to a Panasonic TH-50PH9UK through DVI?
Any indication of success with this would be much appreciated.

I use my iScan HD+ with a Panamorph H1000 for 2.37:1 movies and there are two different ways of doing it. First, configure everything so that you've got your 16:9 perfectly normal. Then, you can hit the LBX or 4:3 button on the remote (just try both, it's obvious which is the right one) and you'll stretch the vertical to fill the 16:9 (or 2.37:1 if your lens is in place).

The other way is to manually stretch the picture. Sometimes the dvd isn't perfect, so you may want to manually stretch the picture. Not sure if you can save that setting.

I'll give it a proper try the next time I use my projector and get back to you.

:)

Well then it will be up to us to keep this Thread alive :p

So , anyone using the HD+ with an Anamorphic Lens ? I am and I'm looking for some input on how others are setting up the HD+ to get the Vertical Stretch .

I've got a solution , just not the one I was expecting . I ploughed through all the Input Aspect Ratios / Frame Aspect Ratios / Output Aspect Ratios / Display / Screen etc. etc. and the only thing that "worked" was setting the Frame Aspect Ratio to 4:3 :confused:

I'm sure there should be another combination of controls so I'd like to hear from anyone who has solved this . I do have the latest , and last , firmware .

I was able to add a small zoom to 1.85:1 and save it into a Preset but I can't seem to get anything useful for 2.35:1 :cool:

Scott............. :o

I use my iScan HD+ with a Panamorph H1000 for 2.37:1 movies and there are two different ways of doing it. First, configure everything so that you've got your 16:9 perfectly normal. Then, you can hit the LBX or 4:3 button on the remote (just try both, it's obvious which is the right one) and you'll stretch the vertical to fill the 16:9 (or 2.37:1 if your lens is in place).

The other way is to manually stretch the picture. Sometimes the dvd isn't perfect, so you may want to manually stretch the picture. Not sure if you can save that setting.

I'll give it a proper try the next time I use my projector and get back to you.

:)

Thanks cpc ,

I appreciate the reply . I'm using a Prismasonic H500 with my HD+ . I really thought that some "magical" use of the supplied 2.35:1 options would take care of things , but I think I'm still missing something .

Scott................

Is there a way to get stereo audio output from the HD+ to go directly to the tv?

Is there a way to get stereo audio output from the HD+ to go directly to the tv?

'fraid not :( The HD+ has only either Digital Optical or Coaxial Audio outputs . Do you not have an A/V Receiver for your Audio ? Can you get a Stereo output from your Source component , ie DVD Player , Sat Box ,etc ? This way you could bypass the HD+ for the Audio and send it directly to your Display .

Scott................... :)

Thanks for the reply. I knew about the optical/digital only audio I/O on the HD+ but was hopeful that there was some clever tricks to get stereo out. Both video outs from my stb and dvd player are connected to the HD+ while the audio outs are connected to the receiver. I just wanted a option so I don't have to always turn on the receiver to watch tv. I guess I'd need a div/hdmi with stereo i/o switch box.

Thanks cpc ,

I appreciate the reply . I'm using a Prismasonic H500 with my HD+ . I really thought that some "magical" use of the supplied 2.35:1 options would take care of things , but I think I'm still missing something .

Scott................

Make sure all of your aspect ratio controls are set up correctly and then you use one of the INPUT ASPECT RATIO buttons. I think it's LBX. It's hard to realize whether or not you have everything set up properly. Once you do, it's easy. If you are picky, you may want to custom stretch each and every dvd to fit but there is always the option of one of those preset buttons.

I'll try it again with my Epson 1080 :cool: and see exactly how I have my setup configured.

Can anybody tell me what I can expect if I connect a Toshiba D2 to my Epson 1080 via the iScan HD+ ? I just wonder how this will work. Will it look a little soft or will it be sharp but have some other artifacts like occasional combing?

thanks

With my setup, the Iscan HD+ supports perfectly 480p through component input to vga output.

However when I switch from 480p to 720p or 1080i, then the screen becomes black, whereas the manual states the HD+ supports input of these standards through component, but can only bypasses them.

Is it because the unprocessed component signal which isn't processed just can't be detected by my monitor through the vga output ?

Or is the Iscan HD+ supposed to be able to convert HD signal from component to VGA ?

With my setup, the Iscan HD+ supports perfectly 480p through component input to vga output.

However when I switch from 480p to 720p or 1080i, then the screen becomes black, whereas the manual states the HD+ supports input of these standards through component, but can only bypasses them.

Is it because the unprocessed component signal which isn't processed just can't be detected by my monitor through the vga output ?

Or is the Iscan HD+ supposed to be able to convert HD signal from component to VGA ?

Just a guess , but when the HD+ detects an HD signal (720p or 1080i) at the Analog Component Inputs , it does switch to Analog passthrough mode . However , there is a higher probability that the HD Signal may be HDCP compliant and your Display is not. We're assuming your Display will accept a 720p or 1080i input ?

One of the "blurbs" states..."if the input signal is HDCP-encrypted then the Analog outputs of the HD+ are turned off for legal constraints..."

Scott.................. :)

Thanks for your try, but as the signal merely comes from my xbox 1 and 360 and not a HD DVD, then it shouldn't be HDCP compliant. Even if it was, this should be no problem as my monitor supports HDCP, as well as 720p and 1080i.

Hey, guys, I don't mean to steer your conversation off, but I have a quick question...

I have a Samsung 46" DLP TV (720P) that I play a Playstation 2 on as well as some DVDs from time to time.

As you know, a lot of PS2 games run in 480i native and I was wondering if anyone here has tried the iScan HD or HD+ on a Samsung DLP set and compared the image quality of a 480i signal vs. Samsungs own internal scaler on the TV.

Please let me know your comparison, because I'm seriously ready to buy one of these if it makes the picture look a lot better!

A HUGE shout out to Aaron Smith over at Anchor Bay. Once again the employees at this company show how strong they stand behind their products - even the discontinued....emailed a request for the discrete code for a iScan HD+ DVI input select as it wasn't in any list I could find on there website. LESS than 24 hrs later a reply in my inbox. I know its seems like a little thing but in the end it is the little things that count.

When I dust off my wallet and pry it open come upgrade time, my money will definately go to Anchor Bay

Thanks to all the folks at Anchor Bay ( Dale and Josh) and any one else who has chimed in and helped make my theater a huge bit nicer. Y'all are invited over for a movie if you're ever in Carlsbad

Oh ya, after all that sucking up, :rolleyes: I almost forgot to post the code....

Please try the following code for DVI input select:

0000 006c 001b 0000 0064 0064 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0041 0016 0041
0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0041 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015
0016 0041 0016 0041 0016 0041 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015
0016 0041 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0041 0044 0044
0016 0001

Aaron Smith
Sr. Applications & Technical Support Representative
Anchor Bay Technologies, Inc.

Anybody know how to fix my HDMI>DVI>HDMI problem?

Toshiba HD-A2 > HDMI > DVI > iScan HD+ > DVI > HDMI Epson 1080. With HDCP on the signal lasts for two seconds. Information still shows 1080i DVI (HDCP) but no signal and the power led blinks. After a few minutes it stops blinking. With HDCP OFF there is a picture for 2 minutes and then it drops the signal and says it can't see anything.

Hi Folks,

I've had a DVDO iScan HD+ since 2004, and lately every time I run a video signal through it, my front projector [Sony HS51], is showing heavy Moire patterns which come-and-go.

If I power-cycle the DVDO, and touch nothing else, the DVDO will reboot and show a proper image [no Moire through the same looped-video scene], for a while.

At first the problem showed up via the s-video connectors, I thought my old DVD player, S-video cables, or connectors were dying. I replaced the s-video cables and the problem went away for a little while.

Then I started seeing it through my component cables from both of my DVD players; different component cables, and different component connections on the DVDO.

This is an example what it looks like:
http://www.bealecorner.com/fx1/HDV-detail/Nero2DVD-withMoire.jpg

Is this a known DVDO issue, and is there a DVDO firmware fix for this?

I found the latest firmware for my unit to be [July 11, 2005]:
http://www.anchorbaytech.com/docs/abt/hdp_6-7_2-91.abt

At 1st, I thought my DVDO unit was simply overheating, but lately the Moire patterns are showing up right after the DVDO is turned on [having been turned off for days].

I will try the firmware and report back.

Thanks,
Fabian.

Anybody know how to fix my HDMI>DVI>HDMI problem?

Toshiba HD-A2 > HDMI > DVI > iScan HD+ > DVI > HDMI Epson 1080. With HDCP on the signal lasts for two seconds. Information still shows 1080i DVI (HDCP) but no signal and the power led blinks. After a few minutes it stops blinking. With HDCP OFF there is a picture for 2 minutes and then it drops the signal and says it can't see anything.

Hi cpc ,

My system has developed "handshake" issues of late too . I think I now have a startup pattern that works , however your issues really do sound like bad cables . Do you have the possibility of trying different cables or at least swapping the HDMI ones around and see if your results change ?

Are you able to bypass the HD+ ? Can you try another DVD Player ? Maybe it's something else in the chain ?

Scott.................. :confused:

Hi Folks,

I've had a DVDO iScan HD+ since 2004, and lately every time I run a video signal through it, my front projector [Sony HS51], is showing heavy Moire patterns which come-and-go.

If I power-cycle the DVDO, and touch nothing else, the DVDO will reboot and show a proper image [no Moire through the same looped-video scene], for a while.

At first the problem showed up via the s-video connectors, I thought my old DVD player, S-video cables, or connectors were dying. I replaced the s-video cables and the problem went away for a little while.

Then I started seeing it through my component cables from both of my DVD players; different component cables, and different component connections on the DVDO.

This is an example what it looks like:
http://www.bealecorner.com/fx1/HDV-detail/Nero2DVD-withMoire.jpg

Is this a known DVDO issue, and is there a DVDO firmware fix for this?

I found the latest firmware for my unit to be [July 11, 2005]:
http://www.anchorbaytech.com/docs/abt/hdp_6-7_2-91.abt

At 1st, I thought my DVDO unit was simply overheating, but lately the Moire patterns are showing up right after the DVDO is turned on [having been turned off for days].

I will try the firmware and report back.

Thanks,
Fabian.


How did the firmware update go ? Any success ?

The moire patterns are reminicent of an interlaced signal or display which you of course are not using . I wonder if the SiL504 de-interlacer is defective ? Have you tried changing the Output Resolution to something other than what you've been using ? Try changing the input to Progressive , if your DVD player will do it , and just let the HD+ do the scaling . This would isolate some of the things the HD+ does .

Have you checked all your previous setting ? After a firmware update all settings will default to Factory defaults . Maybe you've had a power glitch that has reset your settings and the current settings are struggling with your signals .

Give us some feedback and describe what your input and output requirements are so we can offer better suggestions .

Scott....................... :)

Hi cpc ,

My system has developed "handshake" issues of late too . I think I now have a startup pattern that works , however your issues really do sound like bad cables . Do you have the possibility of trying different cables or at least swapping the HDMI ones around and see if your results change ?

Are you able to bypass the HD+ ? Can you try another DVD Player ? Maybe it's something else in the chain ?

Scott.................. :confused:

hi
thought my issue was resolved (iscan HD+ to JVC HD1: can't pass it (sce: hdcp dvd player, iscan blue light blinks :mad: ). imho it's unsolvable unless ANCHOR BAY provides a new soft fothe dvi-hdcp handshake with newer products like projectors etc.
the soft imho is too old vs what's inside those pjs etc. the handshake is a tricky process that leaves not much room for synchronization. imho the ISCAN HD+is too slow.

i'll get a vantage HD with HDMI 1.3

Hi cpc ,

My system has developed "handshake" issues of late too . I think I now have a startup pattern that works , however your issues really do sound like bad cables . Do you have the possibility of trying different cables or at least swapping the HDMI ones around and see if your results change ?

Are you able to bypass the HD+ ? Can you try another DVD Player ? Maybe it's something else in the chain ?

Scott.................. :confused:

I'll try another cable I suppose, but cables have never been a problem for me before. Also, this cable is rated for 1080p and HDMI 1.3.

Does anyone know if the following issue would be caused by the HD+ or something else ?

Built a HTPC over the weekend and the motherboard has onboard graphics with a HDMI and VGA port.

It displays fine using the VGA port connected to the HD+ VGA passthrough port. But I get no picture when connecting the HDMI port to the DVI/HDCP port of the HD+

This port worked fine using the same cable coming from my Oppo 970HD but that was outputting 480i. Will the DVI/HDCP port on the HD+ support an incoming signal such as 720p or 768p - I was led to believe it would support it but just pass the signal through instead of scaling it ??

Or is this a HDCP issue. The HD+ is connected to my plasmas VGA port which isn't HDCP and outputs at XVGA (1024x768). To get the Oppo DVD player working using the DVI/HDCP port I had to change the firmware to remove the HDCP output. So I'm wondering if this is the same issue ?

Hi there,
I got my iscan HD+ but I'm really disappointed with the results.
Anyway reading your posts, I guess that maybe something is wrong with my setup.
I feed the HD+ 2 component inputs (Wii and DVD), and then connect the scaler to my PT-AX100U projector using a DVI-HDMI cable (29$ cable, not a Monster Cable). So I connect the DVI plug into the scaler DVI out and the HDMI to my projector (it doesn't have any DVI input).
Then I set the output of the scaler to 720p 60, 16:9.
The results are really poor. You can barely see some noise reduction. Jaggies are still there, without any change. The results are really slightly better then what I achieve letting the projector do the scaling.
It's disappointing, 'cause the projector should do a really poor job, having no "famous" chip to do the job (no Faroudja or whatsoever).
Another strange issue: if I connect an xbox 360 with HDMI to my projector, I can get 1080p. But with the setup I mentioned above, if I try to set the output of the scaler to 1080p, the projector does not show any image.
Any help? Otherwise I will return it to the seller.

Hi there,
I got my iscan HD+ but I'm really disappointed with the results.
Anyway reading your posts, I guess that maybe something is wrong with my setup.
I feed the HD+ 2 component inputs (Wii and DVD), and then connect the scaler to my PT-AX100U projector using a DVI-HDMI cable (29$ cable, not a Monster Cable). So I connect the DVI plug into the scaler DVI out and the HDMI to my projector (it doesn't have any DVI input).
Then I set the output of the scaler to 720p 60, 16:9.
The results are really poor. You can barely see some noise reduction. Jaggies are still there, without any change. The results are really slightly better then what I achieve letting the projector do the scaling.
It's disappointing, 'cause the projector should do a really poor job, having no "famous" chip to do the job (no Faroudja or whatsoever).
Another strange issue: if I connect an xbox 360 with HDMI to my projector, I can get 1080p. But with the setup I mentioned above, if I try to set the output of the scaler to 1080p, the projector does not show any image.
Any help? Otherwise I will return it to the seller.

Hi ! Sorry I missed your post .

If your sources , Wii and DVD , are not outputting an interlaced signal , ie 480i , then all the HD+ is doing is scaling . If you can input a 480i to the HD+ then the wonderful de-interlacing chips and software come into play .This should do a better job than your PJ .

If you set the output to 1080p and your PJ is a 720p then it's possible that your PJ may not accept a resolution that high or if you have HDCP turned on in the HD+ then possibly the PJ won't accept an encripted HD signal . Be sure to check all your settings including the refresh rate (48 or 60HZ)

Let us know how you make out with this.

Scott...............

Hi ! Sorry I missed your post .

If your sources , Wii and DVD , are not outputting an interlaced signal , ie 480i , then all the HD+ is doing is scaling . If you can input a 480i to the HD+ then the wonderful de-interlacing chips and software come into play .This should do a better job than your PJ .

If you set the output to 1080p and your PJ is a 720p then it's possible that your PJ may not accept a resolution that high or if you have HDCP turned on in the HD+ then possibly the PJ won't accept an encripted HD signal . Be sure to check all your settings including the refresh rate (48 or 60HZ)

Let us know how you make out with this.

Scott...............

Thanks Scott, will try it this evening! Anyway...
The projector does accept 1080p (a XBOX 360 1080p signal is displayed without flaws), and HDPC was turned off. Maybe there's a problem with the DVI-HMDI cable I'm using, but I don't think so...
I don't think that forcing the Wii to display 480i instead of 480p will be good...the de-interlacing of the HD+ cannot be better than a native 480p signal.
Maybe that could work for the DVD player: I thought that setting progressive scan on the DVD player would feed a native progressive signal, but maybe the player it's just de-interlacing. Does it depend on the DVD material also? I mean, some DVD movies support progressive and others don't?

Anyway a fact is that the scaling performance of the HD seemed really poor to me. I was expecting less pixelation an less jaggies. Am I expecting too much from scaling or a more expensive scaler (Crystalio II) would do what I'm expecting?

Thank you very much!

Thanks Scott, will try it this evening! Anyway...
The projector does accept 1080p (a XBOX 360 1080p signal is displayed without flaws), and HDPC was turned off. Maybe there's a problem with the DVI-HMDI cable I'm using, but I don't think so...
I don't think that forcing the Wii to display 480i instead of 480p will be good...the de-interlacing of the HD+ cannot be better than a native 480p signal.
Maybe that could work for the DVD player: I thought that setting progressive scan on the DVD player would feed a native progressive signal, but maybe the player it's just de-interlacing. Does it depend on the DVD material also? I mean, some DVD movies support progressive and others don't?

Anyway a fact is that the scaling performance of the HD seemed really poor to me. I was expecting less pixelation an less jaggies. Am I expecting too much from scaling or a more expensive scaler (Crystalio II) would do what I'm expecting?

Thank you very much!

Hello again ,

All Standard DVD's are Interlaced and require de-interlacing either by the DVD Player or the HD+ . If your Source is native 480p , then either the HD+ will simply scale to your PJ's resolution or the PJ will . I still like the HD+ . It does what I need for now . Just picked up a Sony PS3 . Set the PS3 for 720p output via HDMI , through my Pioneer 74 , to the HD+ . The HD+ simply passes this through without any processing to the PJ (720p). Quite a good picture .

It's very possible that what you are seeing is because you have a "keen" eye . Once you know exactly what all the video artifacts look like I can't imagine that you can ignore them .

Good luck with everything .

Scott..............:)

I have been a happy user of the iScan HD+ for four years now and as much as I would like to upgrade I can't honestly afford it. But there is just one feature that I would desperately like to see added (if I can convince the developers). There have been a few suggestions in this thread that the unit may have enough buffer memory to handle a 1080P24 DVI input (not 1080P60) from a Blu-Ray or HD-DVD player. If that is true then would it be possible to add the ability to frame-rate convert 1080P24 to 48 or 72Hz for CRT projector use? I can't imagine that would be a difficult feature to add. I know that the product has been long superseded. But if this one feature can be added you would make a bunch of users eternally grateful.

Graham

I have been a happy user of the iScan HD+ for four years now and as much as I would like to upgrade I can't honestly afford it. But there is just one feature that I would desperately like to see added (if I can convince the developers). There have been a few suggestions in this thread that the unit may have enough buffer memory to handle a 1080P24 DVI input (not 1080P60) from a Blu-Ray or HD-DVD player. If that is true then would it be possible to add the ability to frame-rate convert 1080P24 to 48 or 72Hz for CRT projector use? I can't imagine that would be a difficult feature to add. I know that the product has been long superseded. But if this one feature can be added you would make a bunch of users eternally grateful.

Graham

Yeah , I don't think we should hold our breath for any further firmware upgrades . Josh Allen stated more than once in the various VPxx threads that the HD+ was a done deal . I even asked if any "third-party" groups could add functions to the firmware and was told No !

I imagine that someone "could" if they had access to the code and a very good understanding of the Video requirements , otherwise we'll just have to be happy with the 'ol HD+ :D

Scott.................

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Anybody know how to fix my HDMI>DVI>HDMI problem?

Toshiba HD-A2 > HDMI > DVI > iScan HD+ > DVI > HDMI Epson 1080. With HDCP on the signal lasts for two seconds. Information still shows 1080i DVI (HDCP) but no signal and the power led blinks. After a few minutes it stops blinking. With HDCP OFF there is a picture for 2 minutes and then it drops the signal and says it can't see anything.

Got off my lazy behind and researched the Toshiba A2. A firmware update fixed my issue. Constant height HD-DVD is now working with the HD+ and looks great :)

I have a Samsung FP T5884 1080p plasma TV (ATSC,NTSC) and a PS3 with NTSC system. I have to move on from the US to another country where video system is PAL, DVB-T. So my question; Does DVDO iscan get the PAL input and convert it to the NTSC or ATSC as an output signal before giving it to my NTSC plasma TV? Since I am not familiar this technology, the question might be a simple or stupid. If anybody knows the any other solution might help to my situation, I would like to hear it.
In short, I am looking for something which converts the 1080p DVB-T signal to the 1080p ATSC and also which convers 576p PAL signal to the 480p NTSC or higher? This type of system will allow me to keep all my stuff. Thanks

Hello,

i would like to use the HD+ for vertical stretch between my PS3 and a Epson 720p projector. (PS3 -> HD+ -> projector)
After reading this thread, i've got the impression that this should work fine, even sending a 720p signal to the HD+, right?
By the way, i only need the vertical stretch, so i assumed that this "small" scaler would be the cheapest possibility for me to go CIH?

I have my panny blueray set to output 720p and my Iscan hd+ to output 720p, so why is the bluelight on? I thought the green light means no processing? Even when I'm watching my HD dvr and when the program is in native 720p the blue light is still solid. I thought I should only see the blue light on when a signal other than 720p is inputted. Please help?

I thought if the incoming signal was the same as the outgoing signal it would just pass through but I thats not the case, I switched back and forth from passthru to auto and WOW what a difference, colors were more vivid and blacks were BLACK and everything looks much sharper, why does the picture look so much better when I switch it to auto? I understand thatwhen I send a 1080i signal then it gets processed to 720p, but if the input and output is set to 720p whats the processor doing to the signal?

I found that even though I had all the picture controls set at the default settings ( brightness, contrast, color,) which is 0 it still had an effect on the picture.

I thought if the incoming signal was the same as the outgoing signal it would just pass through but I thats not the case, I switched back and forth from passthru to auto and WOW what a difference, colors were more vivid and blacks were BLACK and everything looks much sharper, why does the picture look so much better when I switch it to auto? I understand thatwhen I send a 1080i signal then it gets processed to 720p, but if the input and output is set to 720p whats the processor doing to the signal?

I also have mine set to Passthrough for 720p from my PS3 , however I also have the input to the HD+ at RGB and the output to RGB . I believe the HD+ will adjust the Colorspace to be RGB for the DVI output .

What settings are you using ? I'm not getting any scaling processing but I still do have control over Brightness , Contrast and Saturation which is very helpful when calibrating my setup . Also , which Pre-set do you have your 720p profile data in ?

Scott.............:)

Hello,

i would like to use the HD+ for vertical stretch between my PS3 and a Epson 720p projector. (PS3 -> HD+ -> projector)
After reading this thread, i've got the impression that this should work fine, even sending a 720p signal to the HD+, right?
By the way, i only need the vertical stretch, so i assumed that this "small" scaler would be the cheapest possibility for me to go CIH?

Yes , it works as advertised . I've got four AR's stored in the four Pre-sets , 16:9 , 1.85:1 , 2.35:1 and 2.40:1 . All I adjusted was the Vertical Zoom for each one and then saved it . The two higher AR's also need the 4:3 selection . Makes it easy to cycle through especially when the 2.35:1 movie is over and the Menu is back at 16:9 .

Do you have any Test or Calibration DVD's ? They will usually have some geometry patterns at each AR which will make it a little quicker to tune up each Pre-set . Otherwise just pull out a few movies and adjust until you're happy .

Could not make heads or tales of the 2.35:1 option built into the software . No matter how I select it it never did what I needed .

Scott...............:)

Hi Scott,

thanks for your posting and sorry for my late answer :(
I had no chance to test all the different options which the HD+ offers, because it just arrived yesterday and i'm still waiting for the HDMI-DVI adapters.

I'm really glad to read that the HD+ does the vertical stretch for 720p sources. But stretching the image vertically until it fits to the panel height means to realize an aspect ratio of 2.37:1, something between 2.35:1 and 2.40:1.
Do i just have to zoom up the image vertically until the image fills up the panel completely?

Unfortunately, i don't have any test-dvds...but i'll choose the "movie-method", which you mentioned as a second option ;)

Could not make heads or tales of the 2.35:1 option built into the software . No matter how I select it it never did what I needed .

Do you mean the 2.35:1 option which was implemented by DVDO into the scaler internal software?

Hi Scott,

I'm really glad to read that the HD+ does the vertical stretch for 720p sources. But stretching the image vertically until it fits to the panel height means to realize an aspect ratio of 2.37:1, something between 2.35:1 and 2.40:1.
Do i just have to zoom up the image vertically until the image fills up the panel completely?
Unfortunately, i don't have any test-dvds...but i'll choose the "movie-method", which you mentioned as a second option ;)


Do you mean the 2.35:1 option which was implemented by DVDO into the scaler internal software?

Well , it does the "Stretch" for any resolution that is other than 16:9
Yes , that's all I've done to cover 1.85:1 , 2.35:1 and 2.40:1 .
Yeah , that's the one . Could not figure it out (it's probably quite simple) so I went ahead and just added a zoom value into each of the Pre-sets and select from each as required .

Scott................:)

if your needs are only HD cable (720p and 1080i) and an old DVD player (480i), is there still value in picking up one of these older processors.

At the bargain prices they are being dumped, it is the value proposition compared to an Edge.

I'm 100% satisfied with Blu-Ray so no real need for an improvement there.

it's basically cable TV, DVD playback (faster and better than using the upconvert in the Blu-Ray player) and possibly connecting the AppleTV (downconverting first to 480p).

so I'm just trying to improve one HD input and 2-3 SD inputs which is the limitations of the HD+

The TV I have is the Sony 46W3000

Well,

as i mentioned before, i'll use the HD+ in my CIH setup. My projector doesn't offer the vertical stretch mode for HD sources, the PS3 as well.
So i was looking for an affordable external scaler, which could to this job. At first i thought about purchasing the Key Digital scaler/switch, but it's really hard to find a 2nd hand device here in europe.
So i started to focus on DVDO products.
The PS3 will be ceonnected to the HD+ by an HDMI/DVI adapter (could there be any problems about HDCP?), my DVD player (Denon 1730) should by connected via component to the scaler.
Will the HD+ be able to upscale and stretch the signal from the Denon player? Or is this function limited to the DVI input?

Well,

as i mentioned before, i'll use the HD+ in my CIH setup. My projector doesn't offer the vertical stretch mode for HD sources, the PS3 as well.
So i was looking for an affordable external scaler, which could to this job. At first i thought about purchasing the Key Digital scaler/switch, but it's really hard to find a 2nd hand device here in europe.
So i started to focus on DVDO products.
The PS3 will be ceonnected to the HD+ by an HDMI/DVI adapter (could there be any problems about HDCP?), my DVD player (Denon 1730) should by connected via component to the scaler.
Will the HD+ be able to upscale and stretch the signal from the Denon player? Or is this function limited to the DVI input?

Scaling and Stretching is applied to any of the Inputs . HDCP from the PS3 is not a problem as I have this same configuration .

Good Luck ,

Scott...............................

Well,

as i mentioned before, i'll use the HD+ in my CIH setup. My projector doesn't offer the vertical stretch mode for HD sources, the PS3 as well.
So i was looking for an affordable external scaler, which could to this job. At first i thought about purchasing the Key Digital scaler/switch, but it's really hard to find a 2nd hand device here in europe.
So i started to focus on DVDO products.
The PS3 will be ceonnected to the HD+ by an HDMI/DVI adapter (could there be any problems about HDCP?), my DVD player (Denon 1730) should by connected via component to the scaler.
Will the HD+ be able to upscale and stretch the signal from the Denon player? Or is this function limited to the DVI input?

I ended up with the Key Digital HDMI 4x1 last week and it's a solid alternative to the HD+. The main benefits are the 4 HDMI ports and better 1080i deinterlacing. is the scaler and the rest better than the DVDO product? hard to say since I cannot compare, but the Key Digital is awesome value and an improvement overall in all the things I've plugged in (cable, DVD, AppleTV + Blu-ray)

I ended up with the Key Digital HDMI 4x1 last week and it's a solid alternative to the HD+. The main benefits are the 4 HDMI ports and better 1080i deinterlacing. is the scaler and the rest better than the DVDO product? hard to say since I cannot compare, but the Key Digital is awesome value and an improvement overall in all the things I've plugged in (cable, DVD, AppleTV + Blu-ray)

Just doing a quick check on what the Key Digital HDMI 4X1 switch can do, and it looks like it doesn't do very much. Only 50Hz/60Hz output, No 24Hz. It didn't say anything about aspect ratio control. (CIH vertical stretch). Maybe you can state what this will do.

Just doing a quick check on what the Key Digital HDMI 4X1 switch can do, and it looks like it doesn't do very much. Only 50Hz/60Hz output, No 24Hz. It didn't say anything about aspect radio control. (CIH vertical stretch). Maybe you can state what this will do.

I picked up the older unit that had the same scaler that most of the Key digital processors use. The newer HDMI 4x1 switch uses the same model number but is just a switch.

Since I don't have any legacy items, having an HDMI only processor (no composite, S-video or component items to upscale), it actually suits my needs and saves me money.

having 50/60Hz isn't that much of a downside. neither is 1080i input limits. my Blu-ray doesn't output 1080p/24 so no real loss. Feeding the KD a 1080i feed from my Blu-ray resulted in ZERO loss in video quality so setting up a CIH set up is only a projector (and lens eventually) away.

it will do CIH vertical stretch...IMHO, this key digital processor is great value. The Edge is no doubt better but I'm very confident if compared to the older DVDO HD+, this Key Digital unit is BETTER, especially in the 1080i de-interlacing. From what I've read, this KD is better at 1080i vs the HD+, VP20/30. but it's 480i doesn't match the ABT102 card in the VP20/30. I paid half of what the going rate of the VP20+ABT102 system from Anchor Bay (b-stock) and a third of the Edge, so this KD is great value.

I ended up with the Key Digital HDMI 4x1 last week and it's a solid alternative to the HD+. The main benefits are the 4 HDMI ports and better 1080i deinterlacing. is the scaler and the rest better than the DVDO product? hard to say since I cannot compare, but the Key Digital is awesome value and an improvement overall in all the things I've plugged in (cable, DVD, AppleTV + Blu-ray)

I'm confused . Did you get a 4x1 Switch or a 4-input Scaler/Processor ? The Scaler/Processor I see on their site is the KD-VPHD4x1 . Is this what you have ?

For help with this it's best to check in the rest of the Video Processor Thread for Posts for that model .

Good Luck ,

Scott....................

I'm confused . Did you get a 4x1 Switch or a 4-input Scaler/Processor ? The Scaler/Processor I see on their site is the KD-VPHD4x1 . Is this what you have ?

For help with this it's best to check in the rest of the Video Processor Thread for Posts for that model .

Good Luck ,

Scott....................

I got the switch/scaler....discontinued model

I was looking to get a scaler for the past 6 months and only knew about the HD+ and VP20/30. ...Just when i was about to pick one up, DVDO ran out of b-stock and luck would have it, I found a local Key Digital for less money locally.

not trying to change subjects, but it's the "alternative" scaler I found in the end that may work out for others looking at the DVDO HD+

@Scott:
Just played around with the various settings of the HD+ (after buying DVI-HDMI adapters ;) ).
I just zoomed the image vertically by pressing the "zoom" button and after that, using the cursor up button to stretch the image for full panel height. Is this the right way for vertical stretch? Or does the HD+ offer other possibilities for this "magical feature"? ;)

After i've zoomed up the image vertically, i saved this setting on "Profile 2" and the work was done.
Scott, do you also use an anamorphic lens in your home theatre? I have the HTB lens and i'm going to keep it in front of the lens all the time and i'm asking me, if the HD+ offers a special scaling mode for 1.78 / 1.85 content and a fixed lens?

I'm wondering, if it wouldn't be better to feed the HD+ with a 1080p signal from the PS3 instead of 720p?

@poopiehead:
As i mentioned in an earlier post, i also wanted to purchase the "old" key digital scaler, but couldn't find a unit here. Therefore, i choosed the HD+ and i'm quite satisfied with it...ok 4 HDMI inputs are really convenient compared to 1 DVI input of the HD+ ;)
If this scaler would also offer a second HDMI output, i'm sure that i would buy it immediately.

[QUOTE=Widlarizer;15546946I'm wondering, if it wouldn't be better to feed the HD+ with a 1080p signal from the PS3 instead of 720p?[/QUOTE]


I can't speak for the HD+, but with my Edge the picture looks better if I send it 1080p and let the Edge output 720p/1080i to the display instead of 720p1080i right from the player. It is a small difference, but noticeable.

?

@poopiehead:
As i mentioned in an earlier post, i also wanted to purchase the "old" key digital scaler, but couldn't find a unit here. Therefore, i choosed the HD+ and i'm quite satisfied with it...ok 4 HDMI inputs are really convenient compared to 1 DVI input of the HD+ ;)
If this scaler would also offer a second HDMI output, i'm sure that i would buy it immediately.

how about a 1x2 HDMI splitter? but I guess we should just get the DVDO Edge at that point.

@Blacklac:
Thanks for your posting :) I'll try it out tomorrow :)

@poopiehead:
Yes, i think that i'll have to get a 1x2 HDMI splitter for my setup.
The Edge scaler would be an option...but it's a pity that its second hdmi output transfers audio signals only :(

@Scott:
Just played around with the various settings of the HD+ (after buying DVI-HDMI adapters ;) ).
I just zoomed the image vertically by pressing the "zoom" button and after that, using the cursor up button to stretch the image for full panel height. Is this the right way for vertical stretch? Or does the HD+ offer other possibilities for this "magical feature"? ;)

After i've zoomed up the image vertically, i saved this setting on "Profile 2" and the work was done.
Scott, do you also use an anamorphic lens in your home theatre? I have the HTB lens and i'm going to keep it in front of the lens all the time and i'm asking me, if the HD+ offers a special scaling mode for 1.78 / 1.85 content and a fixed lens?

I'm wondering, if it wouldn't be better to feed the HD+ with a 1080p signal from the PS3 instead of 720p?

@poopiehead:
As i mentioned in an earlier post, i also wanted to purchase the "old" key digital scaler, but couldn't find a unit here. Therefore, i choosed the HD+ and i'm quite satisfied with it...ok 4 HDMI inputs are really convenient compared to 1 DVI input of the HD+ ;)
If this scaler would also offer a second HDMI output, i'm sure that i would buy it immediately.

Yup ! That's basically all I do . Preset 1 is for 16:9 no lens , Preset 2 has a little stretch for 1.85:1 no lens , Preset 3 is 2.35:1 stretch at 12 I think , and preset 4 is 2.40:1 with a little more stretch . I just cycle through to whichever Ratio I need based on the Movie . I have an older Prismasonic H500 Anamorphic Lens .

It doesn't matter whether you feed 720p or 1080i/p to the HD+ , it just passes it through without scaling anyways . There shouldn't be any picture quality issues with either of these with the HD+ . How your Display handles either resolution is more important .

Scott.................:D

Scott,

but is the HD+ able to squeeze the image for 1.78:1 and 1.85:1 content WITH the anamorphic lens?
Until now, i've only found the vertical stretch way...but i'm missing a horizontal squeeze mode :)
Maybe this can be done by setting the video source to 4:3?

Scott,

but is the HD+ able to squeeze the image for 1.78:1 and 1.85:1 content WITH the anamorphic lens?
Until now, i've only found the vertical stretch way...but i'm missing a horizontal squeeze mode :)
Maybe this can be done by setting the video source to 4:3?

I'm not quite sure what you're asking . For 1.78:1 on a 1.78:1 panel there is no squeeze or stretch required and very little for 1.85:1 and no lens either . Are you referring to horizontally stretching a 4:3 image ? This is usually much easier to do and has been done by the DVD Player or Display itself . The HD+ will still de-interlace and scale to the native resolution of the Display and would also accommodate 4:3 input .

Scott............:)

The Manual is still online here http://www.anchorbaytech.com/docs/pdf/DVDO_HDplus_PG_Eng_75-0238-02.pdf

Sorry Scott,

i think that my "limited" english may cause some misunderstandings.
I'll try it again:

My HTB lens is FIXED in front of the projector, so that i can't move it out of the lightpath. The consequence is, that the lens expands the image all the time. So, if i would like to watch 16:9 content in the correct proportion, the image needs to be squeezed horizontally (that means black vertical bars left and right).

And just a second thing:
Today i wanted to watch "The Empire strikes Back" and i was so happy when i saw "A long time ago..." on the screen :D
But there was no sound! I solved the problem by connecting the optical cable directly to the AV Receiver. While it was connected to the HD+ (with a view to use the lipsync function) there was nothing to hear.

I suppose that the HD+ isn't able to deal with Dolby EX and DTS-ES signals, right?

Widlarizer,

Your english is great; i would have guessed you were a native speaker.

I am pretty sure the HD+ can handle Dolby EX and DTS-ES just fine. If i remember correctly, you just need to tell the HD+ which audio connection goes with which video connection. For example, Optical 1 goes with DVI.

Hope that helps.

-Justin

Hi jmeads,

nice to read this, thank you very much :)
I would love to speak english like a native speaker...but until i'll achieve this level i have to practice a lot...

The most disturbing issue is that it works with Dolby Surround and DTS signals pretty fine...so why i doesn't with Dolby EX as well?

During the setup, i've just selected the proper optical input and had no problems while watching I Am Legend.

Widlarizer,

Your english is great; i would have guessed you were a native speaker.

I am pretty sure the HD+ can handle Dolby EX and DTS-ES just fine. If i remember correctly, you just need to tell the HD+ which audio connection goes with which video connection. For example, Optical 1 goes with DVI.

Hope that helps.

-Justin

This all depends on the Player . The Hi-rez Audio codecs can only be output via HDMI which the HD+ will not recognize . If the Player can down-rez the Audio to standard Dolby and DTS then that should work over the Optical . Be sure to select the required Output in the Player's Menu . It can get a little complicated .

Scott...................

Yes, that's true, but Dolby Surround EX and DTS-ES don't belong to the Hi-rez Audio Codecs like Dolby True HD and so on.

Dolby EX can be output via HDMI since it works properly with my setup when i connect the PS3 directly to the AV Receiver via Optical.
If i put THIS optical cable into the HD+ and therefore connect the HD+ to the AV Receiver with a second optical cable, it doesn't work.

PS3 -> (optical) -> AV Receiver : :)

PS3 -> (optical) -> HD+ -> (optical) -> AV Receiver: :mad:

I would like to highlight the fact, that only the "extended sound formats" with a back surround channel seem to make problems in my setup. I'll continue with further tests tomorrow.

Scott, you've got a similar setup like my...do you use optical cable for audio input/output to your HD+ and does everything work satisfying?

Hmmmmm? I will double check this later in the week . Here's what I'm doing...

PS3--->HDMI--->(Audio & Video)--->AVR--->HD+--->Projector

Oppo DV970--->Optical(Audio) , HDMI(Video)--->AVR--->HD+--->Projector

I'm obviously routing things a little differently so I can see the possibility of the HD+ not passing specific codecs . I don't remember why I chose this particular configuration but maybe based on some feedback from someone on this Forum .

OT but I've recently started having problems with the Handshaking for the Video . The picture ends up , on startup , scrunched off to the left . I've got to try getting in behind my stuff and try and determine which box is the culprit . Does it never end :D

Scott...............

I hadn't thought about putting the HD+ after the AVR; i like it. I think i will dust off my HD+ and give it a try (i want to zoom some of the 2.35 content to something like 2.0 so more of my 16:9 screen is filled).

Have you noticed any lip-sync problems with this setup?

-Justin

I hadn't thought about putting the HD+ after the AVR; i like it. I think i will dust off my HD+ and give it a try (i want to zoom some of the 2.35 content to something like 2.0 so more of my 16:9 screen is filled).

Have you noticed any lip-sync problems with this setup?

-Justin

None ! I've checked using GetGray's Calibration disc and everything looks good.

Scott...............

Very good to hear. I ordered an hdmi-to-dvi adapter (so the HD+ will work with my current setup). I will report back when i get it all going.

Thanks, Justin

@Scott:
I'm obviously routing things a little differently so I can see the possibility of the HD+ not passing specific codecs . I don't remember why I chose this particular configuration but maybe based on some feedback from someone on this Forum .

Yes, this could be the reason why it works properly in your setup. I think that i will get an AV Receiver with HDMI inputs/outputs sooner or later. It would be nice to have a HDMI switch :)
Is the HD+ able to process SDI signals, too?

@Scott:


Yes, this could be the reason why it works properly in your setup. I think that i will get an AV Receiver with HDMI inputs/outputs sooner or later. It would be nice to have a HDMI switch :)
Is the HD+ able to process SDI signals, too?

Not without the Optional SDI Accessory...
"Nine Video Inputs Available

* 2 Composite (NTSC/PAL/SECAM)
* 2 S-Video (NTSC/PAL/SECAM)
* 2 Component (YPbPr or RGB/S) processes 480i/p-60, 576i/p-50, other resolutions are passed through to the analog output unprocessed
* 1 RGBHV/Component (HD15-style connector) passthrough input
* 1 DVI (RGB or YCbCr) processes 480i/p-60, 576i/p-50, 720p-50/60, 1080i-50/60
* 1 SD-SDI(Serial Digital Interface) Optional processes 480i-60, 576i-50

Scott.................:)

The HDMI-to-DVI adapter i ordered came in over the weekend. I dusted off the HD+ and plugged it into my rack. After watching HD TV content and several HD-DVDs, i would have to say i am happy to be using it again.

I am using the layout mentioned above where all of my source devices are plugged into my AV receiver. The HD+ is placed between the AV receiver and projector.

I had two reasons for wanting to use a processor:

1) I have a 119" 16X9 screen and there is a LOT of wasted real estate on 2.35 material. I wanted to use the processor to zoom the image some (i am not filling the entire screen, probably something like 1:2.0). The couple of HD-DVD disks i have watched in this mode look great and i haven't missed any of the content on the edges that has been zoomed off the screen.

2) The scaler in my projector is pretty poor and my projector's forum stated i would get a better picture if i fed it straight 720p (bypassing the built in scaler). When i set my Toshiba HD-A30 to 720p, the picture looked great and there were no problems. When i set by Dish VIP 722 to 720p, i saw a lot of artifacting. Now that i have my HD+ back, i set by VIP 722 back to 1080i and let the HD+ scale the image to 720p. This is working much better with very little artifacting.

As i mentioned at the top, i am very happy to be using the HD+ again and for an "old" piece of equipment, it works really well.

-Justin

@Scott:
Ok, so SDI is no option for me, since i need 720 processing.

Last evening, i was watching "The fellowship of the ring". The HD+ and my projector don't handle 24p signals properly, so i know the slightly "bucking" on Bluray movies in my setup.
But i oberved this bucking on DVDs now, too.
It had no problem with this before i upgraded my system with a scaler.
I assume that wrong settings in the PS3 might be the cause of it?

@Scott:
Ok, so SDI is no option for me, since i need 720 processing.

Last evening, i was watching "The fellowship of the ring". The HD+ and my projector don't handle 24p signals properly, so i know the slightly "bucking" on Bluray movies in my setup.
But i oberved this bucking on DVDs now, too.
It had no problem with this before i upgraded my system with a scaler.
I assume that wrong settings in the PS3 might be the cause of it?

I'm not sure what "bucking" is other than possibly frame stutter or judder , but with the PS3 be sure to turn OFF 24p output for a start . If you're passing 720p out of the PS3 to your 720p Projector then everything should be OK . This is how I've got mine setup and HD and SD dvd's look great . Always have the latest firmware update on the PS3 to be sure .(v2.60)

Scott............:)

Yes, judder ist the right word for it!
So, do i have to disable 24p on the PS3 every time i want to watch a DVD instead of a Bluray (and to enable ist again in he other case)?
But i'm not only passing the signal through the HD+, since it is processed there for the v-stretch. Maybe i have to ensure that the HD+ output options are set to 50Hz...
I have to check this tomorrow.

Thanks for your help Scott.

ISCAN HD+ for CIH setting questions:

1. Can you feed 1080p/60fps or 1080p/24fps to Iscan HD+? I am a bit confused. I thought it would only accept up to 1080i input. If it accepts 1080p input, can I do the zooming and panning as described below in question 3?

2. In case the answer for the question 1 is no, if you feed 1080i from blu-ray discs with 1080p, will there be any loss in picture quality? My projector is hc5500 which can accept 1080p/24fps.

3. Does HD+ have flexibility as DVDO Edge or DVDO VP30/50 in terms of zooming and panning? What I am planning is to vertically zoom the image in letterbox (to eliminate the black bars) and then shift up the image a little bit so that the subtitles in the bottom black bar can be shown.

Please anyone clarify the points. Thank you.

ISCAN HD+ for CIH setting questions:

1. Can you feed 1080p/60fps or 1080p/24fps to Iscan HD+? I am a bit confused. I thought it would only accept up to 1080i input. If it accepts 1080p input, can I do the zooming and panning as described below in question 3?

2. In case the answer for the question 1 is no, if you feed 1080i from blu-ray discs with 1080p, will there be any loss in picture quality? My projector is hc5500 which can accept 1080p/24fps.

3. Does HD+ have flexibility as DVDO Edge or DVDO VP30/50 in terms of zooming and panning? What I am planning is to vertically zoom the image in letterbox (to eliminate the black bars) and then shift up the image a little bit so that the subtitles in the bottom black bar can be shown.
Please anyone clarify the points. Thank you.

You can "feed" the HD+ any Signal . Whether or not it will apply any processing is up to the type of Signal . 1080p/60fps will simply be passed through as the HD+ cannot work with this resolution . 1080p/24fps may be converted to 48fps . This is unclear in the Documentation and should be directed to DVDO .

1080p directly from the BD player to your Display is obviously the best Signal path . Having the Player re-interlace the Signal and then have the HD+ "bob" the Signal back to 1080p would not be the ideal scenario .

Your #3 depends again on the Input signal . I "feed" my HD+ 480i from an SD source . I can make use of all the zoom controls .

I hope this helps . Drop DVDO a line if you want specifics . They are more than willing to help but they don't come to this Thread anymore .

Scott...............:)

Thank you very much, Scott!!! It is very helpful!!!

One more question from me :)

I have the possibility to upgrade my Bluray Player from the Samsung BD-P1500 to the BD-P2500.
I still want to use the HD+ for vertical stretch and horizontal squeeze and therefore i'm wondering if that scaler could affect the image quality of the BD-P2500 in a bad kind of way, since the HQV Reon chip is newer than the video processors of the scaler?

In other words: Does the HD+ improve the image quality from my actual BD-P1500 in such a good kind, that it doesn't make any sense to change this bluray player to a better device?

One more question from me :)

I have the possibility to upgrade my Bluray Player from the Samsung BD-P1500 to the BD-P2500.
I still want to use the HD+ for vertical stretch and horizontal squeeze and therefore i'm wondering if that scaler could affect the image quality of the BD-P2500 in a bad kind of way, since the HQV Reon chip is newer than the video processors of the scaler?

In other words: Does the HD+ improve the image quality from my actual BD-P1500 in such a good kind, that it doesn't make any sense to change this bluray player to a better device?


I have both the HD+ and the Samsung BD-P2500. Here are my observations.

1. If you have a 1080p w/HDMI set, bypass the HD+ and connect the Sammy directly using 1080p out from Sammy
BD-P2500.

2. The Sammy BD-P2500 will also perform the 4x3 squeeze [for 1.33:1 movies] that previous HQV Samsungs would not. If you need custom squeezes/stretch of STD and BRD's, not possible without the HD+, but I don't understand why you would with the disc sources.

3. The Sammy BD-P1500 was not a HQV unit and would benefit from the HD+.

4. The HQV on the Samsung looks much better bypassing the HD+ on both my 46” 1080p Sony and my 720p Panasonic PT-900AU projector.

5. You may miss some of the controls of the HD+, but I think you will find the picture much better.

6. The Sammy HQV has only controls for sharpness and noise, and I find it better with this set to off. Color/ brightness, etc. can be done from monitor/projector.

Sorry to say, but in this case it is goodbye to the HD+, even the simple Samsung HQV makes to me a startling difference for DVDs. I still use HD+
for 480i sources.

Hi grizbear,

thanks for your answer :)
It't nice to know, that the HQV performs better than the HD+. But i simply need the vertical stretch function of this scaler for my anamorphic lens setup :( Although the BD-P2500 does the squeeze for 4x3 content, it doesn't provide the needed vertical zoom feature.

So i think, that it would be a good compromise to keep the BD-P1500 and and replace the HD+ with the DVDO Edge.

I assuma, that the Edge must perform better than the BD-P2500.