Anchor Bay Technologies Unveils the DVDO® iScan™ HD+ High-Resolution Video Scaling Engine at the 2004 CEDIA Show

Indianapolis, IN, September 10, 2004 - (Business Wire) - Anchor Bay Technologies, Inc. will exhibit the all-new DVDO® iScan HD+, the company's latest comprehensive audio/video processing hub at the CEDIA show beginning today, September 10 through September 12, in Booth 1560 in the RCA Dome in Indianapolis.

Building on the momentum from the award winning iScan™ HD, the iScan HD+ adds scaling of high definition sources (720p, 1080i) which come in on DVI, and HDCP support over DVI.

Home theater enthusiasts are presented with many challenges when displaying an image that was originally produced in one resolution and aspect ratio, stored and transmitted in another, and ultimately displayed in a third. The new iScan HD+ is a sophisticated video processor that produces an optimized image in a wide range of resolutions, aspect ratios, and refresh rates, independent of the input format. When using the iScan HD+, a projector or display device is not forced to crop, distort, or further process the image in order to display it. The iScan HD+ can generate an output that exactly matches the native resolution of virtually any LCD or DLP projector, as well as plasma displays and CRTs, producing the clearest, crispest picture possible.

The iScan HD+ incorporates Anchor Bay Technology's Precision Video Scaling™ technology, and incorporates other digital video and audio technologies such as Automatic Chroma Upsampling Error Correction (AutoCUE-C™) and Precision AV Lipsync.

In addition to providing greatly enhanced picture quality, the iScan HD+ acts as a hub for all AV source devices. It accepts up to nine discrete video and 4 digital audio inputs, with 2 video and 2 audio outputs. This allows seamless connection of DVD players, satellite receivers, HDTV receivers, digital video recorders, video game consoles, VCRs, Laser Disc players, and PC video directly to the iScan HD+, which delivers high-definition quality video to virtually all display types, while also handling switching and synchronization of digital audio streams.

The iScan HD+ will be available for shipment to Authorized DVDO Resellers in October 2004.

About DVDO

DVDO, an Anchor Bay Technologies brand, is an acknowledged leader in the design, manufacturing, and marketing of chip and system-level solutions for next generation HDTVs and digital video electronic products. The DVDO iScan HD Video Processor is the recipient of the Electronic House 2004 Product of the Year Award.

So what does it mean that the HD+ adds scaling of high definition sources. Does it mean that it provides the sort of deinterlacing of 1080i sources that the HD did for 480i sources?

Josh or Dale,

So does the HD+ do motion adaptive deinterlacing of HD signals or just weave?

Also the million dollar, or actually the $750 upgrade from the HD, question for me is: Does the HD+ transcode the component HD signals? I assume it must cross convert HD component to HD DVI but will it convert HD component to VGA for us CRT users?

Lastly, if the HD+ can do HD deinterlacing of ANALOG HD signals does this mean that the HD+ is no longer using the ?Sil 504? deinterlacing chip? As I thought the old chip couldn't handle such a function.

Andy

Steve & AndyN - The iScan HD+ can take an incoming HD signal over DVI and scale to the chosen output resolution. With 480i signals, the iScan HD/HD+ uses motion and source adaptive video deinterlacing for NTSC (3:2 and 2:2 pulldown; video) and PAL/SECAM (2:2 pulldown; video) sources. With a 1080i signal, the iScan HD+ uses 'bob'. 'Bob' consists of treating each video field independently for de-interlacing purposes; for example in the odd field, even scan lines are synthesized or interpolated from the content of the adjacent odd scan lines.

AndyN - The iScan HD+ can scale an incoming DVI signal, with or without HDCP, that is 720p or 1080i to any output resolution. The analog component inputs function the same way as the iScan HD. If the component signal comes in with a resolution exceeding 480p(NTSC) or 576p(PAL), it will be passed thru and it will not be transcoded to RGBHV. We are still using the Sil504.

Thanks Josh.

One final question. When you say with or without HDCP to any output resolution, I assume the output is over DVI only? Or can the HD+ scale a digital HD signal FROM DVI, with or without HDCP, TO analog as well?

If this too is not the case, then would it be safe to assume that the HD+ just adds HDCP? Since I believe scaling an HD DVI signal was already a "possible" firmware update for the current iScan HD.

AndyN

AndyN - If the incoming DVI signal has HDCP, then the processed signal will only come of the DVI output with HDCP. If the incoming DVI signal does not have HDCP then it can be processed and sent out over DVI, Component, or RGBHV.

I came across a pic of your new HD2+ scaler at another forum, it mention that it does have a HDMI connector....is that true?

We are showing a future product at CEDIA which does have HDMI, pricing and availability are still to be decided.

Originally posted by Josh@dvdo
We are showing a future product at CEDIA which does have HDMI, pricing and availability are still to be decided.

care to divulge the release date of this new model?..as i'm sure all of us here are more interested with a model with HDMI connector..:) :)

Hai,

Its on their website, same price as the old model at $1499, for 3 days special cedia deal they will
include a free sdi card. Interesting question is what changed from the non plus model, seems dvi became hdmi. and the hdcp license/chips are in ? bigger chip to handle more complex tasks ?

Greetings,

Daniel.

Originally posted by hotpots
care to divulge the release date of this new model?..as i'm sure all of us here are more interested with a model with HDMI connector..:) :)
As Josh already said, "pricing and availability are still to be decided".

- Dale Adams

Originally posted by danielo
Interesting question is what changed from the non plus model, seems dvi became hdmi. and the hdcp license/chips are in ? bigger chip to handle more complex tasks ?.
It's not HDMI. There is a photo on the Secrets site of a technology demonstration which is incorrectly labeled as the HD+. The HD+ is pretty much the same as the HD, with the addition of HDCP capability on the DVI input and output, and HD scaling of DVI sources.

- Dale Adams

Originally posted by Dale Adams
It's not HDMI. There is a photo on the Secrets site of a technology demonstration which is incorrectly labeled as the HD+. The HD+ is pretty much the same as the HD, with the addition of HDCP capability on the DVI input and output, and HD scaling of DVI sources.

- Dale Adams

Since its so confusing in the specs (lots of people look for hdmi name these days) maybe its a good idea to put (hdmi using a cable) in the specs ?. I myself was kind of guessing it was a mistake since you last week told us that there was no extra room on the back of the panel of the current design.

Quick question, this probably also means it uses the same sdi module right ?

Greetings,

Daniel.

Originally posted by danielo
Quick question, this probably also means it uses the same sdi model right ?
Right.

- Dale Adams

Hi Dale! Any upgrade possibilities for current IScan HD owners to HD+ especially for people who have IScan HD with SDI already installed?

Originally posted by vinodk
Hi Dale! Any upgrade possibilities for current IScan HD owners to HD+ especially for people who have IScan HD with SDI already installed?
There is an trade-in allowance of $750 if you trade in your HD on an HD+. We're still looking into the possibility of actually upgrading the HD to an HD+. It's mostly just one circuit board that's different, so this may be feasible. Since we haven't actually decided to do such and upgrade, I have no idea yet what this might cost or when it might be available.

- Dale Adams

Excellent idea Dale for the upgrade board to turn the HD into a HD+.

I think it would please alot of us who just purchased the HD and do not or will not repurchase the HD+ for the $750.00 trade in allowance on a $1499.00 item.
A board add on like the SDi mod would be hot!

I agree. My iSCAN HD is not that old! I would love to just upgrade my HD. Would be a much better value.... SJ

With a 1080i signal, the iScan HD+ uses 'bob'. 'Bob' consists of treating each video field independently for de-interlacing purposes; for example in the odd field, even scan lines are synthesized or interpolated from the content of the adjacent odd scan lines.Just to be clear, this basically means that they're tossing out half of the available resolution on static scenes. So unfortunately, this is not yet a true 1080i deinterlacing solution. Looks like a great product otherwise but it's not part of the "new generation" of true 1080i deinterlacers.

Originally posted by Michael Grant
Just to be clear, this basically means that they're tossing out half of the available resolution on static scenes. So unfortunately, this is not yet a true 1080i deinterlacing solution. Looks like a great product otherwise but it's not part of the "new generation" of true 1080i deinterlacers.
Ummm. . . close, but not quite.

Interlaced video is normally vertically filtered to some extent to reduce line twitter (flicker, whatever you want to call it). This applies to both 480i and 1080i. Some test patterns do not follow this procedure, but the majority of video programming material does.

That doesn't mean that you're not losing vertical resolution by using a simple 'bob' technique to deinterlace. (And it is deinterlacing - interlaced video is converted to progressive. That's what deinterlacing is. Granted, it's not a great technique for doing it, but it is deinterlacing.) You are, but it's not half of the resolution but rather more like a 3rd to a quarter or so. Still, not good.

Actually, what I notice more with simple 'bob' deinterlacing is aliasing artifacts. When there is more vertical detail than the vertical sampling frequency of a single field can support, you get aliases. This occurs on both static and moving areas of the image. Motion adaptive deinterlacing solves the problem for the static areas, but you need some sort of nonlinear approach to hide the aliases when there's motion. Edge-adaptive approaches like DCDi can do this, and to me, that's their primary value.

Actually, I can think of one advantage to 'bob' deinterlacing - you never get combing. :D

- Dale Adams

Believe me Dale you will make lot of people happy & loyal to DVDO for a long long time to come if you decide to offer the board upgrade at a reasonable cost rather than trade in because quiet a good number of us have bought IScan HD just in the past 2-3 months & nobody likes the idea of losing good chunk of change on a trade-in in this short period of time. Hope you guys will seriously consider the board upgrade.

I second the board upgrade option (especially in Canada!)

Can HD+ do 3:2 pulldown for 1080i signal? Or will it do 'bob' deinterlacing for 1080i no matter whether it is film or video signal?

There are talks about the native resolution for the next generation DVD is 1080p. Does HD+ accept 1080p signal input?

Originally posted by adyc
Can HD+ do 3:2 pulldown for 1080i signal?
No.

Or will it do 'bob' deinterlacing for 1080i no matter whether it is film or video signal?
Yes.

There are talks about the native resolution for the next generation DVD is 1080p. Does HD+ accept 1080p signal input?
No.

- Dale Adams

Originally posted by Dale Adams

quote:
There are talks about the native resolution for the next generation DVD is 1080p. Does HD+ accept 1080p signal input?

No.

- Dale Adams

Small sub question not accepting 1080p means it will not go into passtrough mode either like the HD did with 1080i signals ?

Daniel.

Originally posted by danielo
Small sub question not accepting 1080p means it will not go into passtrough mode either like the HD did with 1080i signals ?
No, that's not what it means. For signals which the HD+ cannot process, it will switch to passthrough mode like the HD does. Both the HD and the HD+ will switch to passthrough for a 1080p input.

The issue here is one of frame buffer memory bandwidth. The HD+ does not have the memory bandwidth to store a 1080p signal at 60 Hz. It could almost certainly deal with a 1080p 24sf signal (which would appear to the iScan as 1080i @ 48 Hz), but we haven't had a chance to test that.

- Dale Adams

Originally posted by steviec
Excellent idea Dale for the upgrade board to turn the HD into a HD+.

I think it would please alot of us who just purchased the HD and do not or will not repurchase the HD+ for the $750.00 trade in allowance on a $1499.00 item.
A board add on like the SDi mod would be hot!

I agree...........I can swap a PCB

:)

Dale,

Is the HD+ capable of nonlinear stretch?

Dale, I'm sure the HD+ is finalized at this point, but have you given any thoughts to a future version that might have more DVI(or better yet HDMI) inputs available? Now that you have scaling of DVI signals,many of us IscanHD users have more than one source that has DVI out such as a DVD player and HD cable or satelite. This would eliminate the necessity of a DVI switcher box.

One more vote for the PCB swap.

Clark, I'd say its a certainty that there is a new product with HDMI in the pipe line, see this thread here (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=445066), but I doubt Dale will want to say too much until its ready for public release.

If I were in the market for a HD/+ now or in the next few months I think I'd wait to see what the time scale and specs are on this new product...

Ryan

I vote for the PCB swap option too.

Originally posted by cablejunk
Is the HD+ capable of nonlinear stretch?
No.

- Dale Adams

Originally posted by Clark Burk
Dale, I'm sure the HD+ is finalized at this point, but have you given any thoughts to a future version that might have more DVI(or better yet HDMI) inputs available? Now that you have scaling of DVI signals,many of us IscanHD users have more than one source that has DVI out such as a DVD player and HD cable or satelite. This would eliminate the necessity of a DVI switcher box.
You might want to take a really close look at the photo of the unannounced DVDO video processor that's been posted in another thread on this forum.

- Dale Adams

Originally posted by Dale Adams
You might want to take a really close look at the photo of the unannounced DVDO video processor that's been posted in another thread on this forum.

- Dale Adams

Have a look here (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=445066).

Ryan ;)

Dale Adams,

Is the new iScanHD+ really fitted with BNC connectors on the output?
Because that's one of the very few things i miss on my iScan HD.

Originally posted by B.Hegelstad
Dale Adams,

Is the new iScanHD+ really fitted with BNC connectors on the output?
Because that's one of the very few things i miss on my iScan HD.

I don't know if your refering to the image in the link above, but if so then this is not the iScanHD+, but a as yet unreleased product, which will more than likely be a higher end scaler than the iScanHD+.

Dale any chance of some titbits of info on the new product?? ;)

Ryan

I just don't like VGA and BNC would be reason enough to buy the iScan HD+ for me.:)

As far as the DVDO website is concerned the iScanHD+ inputs/outputs are the same as those on the standard iScanHD, so no BNC's in sight...
The only changes seem to be internal and very small, ie HDCP and HD over DVI.

Ryan

I'll just hope for a iScan HD+BNC then :D

Its just that a high end scaler like the HD should have professional output for the ones that uses real projectors (CRT)!

Originally posted by vinodk
Believe me Dale you will make lot of people happy & loyal to DVDO for a long long time to come if you decide to offer the board upgrade at a reasonable cost rather than trade in because quiet a good number of us have bought IScan HD just in the past 2-3 months & nobody likes the idea of losing good chunk of change on a trade-in in this short period of time. Hope you guys will seriously consider the board upgrade.

Guess how you would feel if you purchased the Iscan HD through the onecall power buy two weeks ago.

I fall into the same category with a recent purchase of the HD. The thing we need to remember, most manufacturers don't even offer a trade in program so let's at least be thankful there is an option.

If for some reason we can upgrade a board, that would be awesome! let's keep our fingers crossed.

Fran

Guess what! I purchased IScan HD through Onecall.com powerbuy at the end of July so it's not even 2 months out & we already have HD+.

vinodk, same situation here-also from Onecall-early August; just getting my HD setup in My Great Room. Haven't even registered it yet! Not amused! Got a brand new upgradeable unit and now it is obsolete? "Lucy, you got some 'splaining' to do"

A board swap at a reasonable price, not the $750 or $500 range might help. If purchased in the last few months while there was lots of hype on the HD, DVDO just should do it! I think there may be a marketing feeling that those of us that have income to add a video processor to our Home Theater have a lot of disposable income. Well it isn't true, at least here!

And I would like to know how upgradeable the HD will be, now there is a new kid on the block.

Yea, a reasonable price ($200-$300) to upgrade means you get more $$ from me. A cost to me of $750 to trade in means you don't get more $$ from me. The choice is DVDO's :)

-Allen

grizbear,

I'm not sure why you feel so cheated... The iScan HD+ has just been announced (it won't be on sale for a while yet). In addition, the changes are not catagorically huge - it is more like a minor upgrade than DVDO's next gen product.

I understand your frustration, but I don't think you've lost out by much - the iScan HD is a fantastic product and it's well worth every cent.

Well said Oferlaor.

On the other hand, DVDO is exploring an upgrade, and how it will be done. If you all can be patient for a few days, we will announce officially what that program will be, and what it will cost.

I do want to mention that in general, when customers purchase an item, it is typically obsolete when it's sold, just because the manufacturer is always working on a new generation. Also, most if not all companies, do not offer an upgrade program, you just get to buy the new unit, and try to sell the old one, in which you loose on both ends. DVDO offering an upgrade for folks, is an excellent thing, and kudos to them for the effort!

Well, this Bear is still growling a bit, but it turns out OK! Seems that today was the 29th day of my 30 day no questions asked return. I now have an RMA and another 30 days to watch this situation….

Like most of us here, I am well aware that A/V electronics are usually obsolete in a short time [sometimes by the time you get them home]; this one seemed a little blatant to me with a $750 upgrade charge, esp. with the audio bug fix and a few other "improvements" still coming for the HD. $750 for a "minor upgrade" is out of the question for me.

The HD is indeed a very fine product; I'd like to be a satisfied customer and I will be watching closely.

Hi,

I was thinking of purchasing the Iscan HD / HD+ but am a little confused about what component (Yc Cb Cr) signals it will transcode to RGB, if any.

Basically, I'm looking for something that will take a component HDTV 1080i signal from a JVC DVHS deck, trancode it the RGB and scale it to match my projector's (1365 x 1024 or 1365 x 768) resolution. I own a D-ILA.

I'm also looking to input a 480p signal from a DVD player through it's DVI output.

Not sure if the Iscan HD or HD+ does this, though.

Thanks,
Russell

Russell1,

the iScan HD+ does process 1080i and should transcode it. Please note that it will do bob for 1080i - so if that's not a problem for you, it willd o what you need.

BTW, I would recommend going with 480i from a DVD player (preferably SDI) instead of 480p through DVI.

<CORRECTION: 1080i coming from DVI only!>

Originally posted by Russell1
I was thinking of purchasing the Iscan HD / HD+ but am a little confused about what component (Yc Cb Cr) signals it will transcode to RGB, if any.

Basically, I'm looking for something that will take a component HDTV 1080i signal from a JVC DVHS deck, trancode it the RGB and scale it to match my projector's (1365 x 1024 or 1365 x 768) resolution. I own a D-ILA.

I'm also looking to input a 480p signal from a DVD player through it's DVI output.

Not sure if the Iscan HD or HD+ does this, though.
Neither the iScan HD or HD+ will process or transcode an analog HD signal. The HD will process a 480p DVI signal if it's not HDCP protected. The HD+ will handle HDCP, as well as HD-resolution DVI signals.

Note, however, that if a DVI signal is HDCP-encrypted it can only be sent out as an HDCP-encrypted signal (at a user-selected resolution and frame rate) from the HD+'s DVI output. This will be true for any video processor which handles HDCP.

- Dale Adams

Hi Dale,

The new HD+ has DVI+HDCP. Is that mean it will take the Pioneer 59avi HDMI (to DVI) 480i/576i (with HDCP I think) for the usual Sil504 deinterlace and all other processing in the iScan and out via DVI in any supported resolution (with HDCP)?

Is so then we don't need any SDI mod! Though so far the Pioneer 59avi is the ONLY DVD player that output the raw 480i/576i via HDMI.

I think the HD+ DVI takes 1080i (as well as 720p, right?) HDTV, "bob" it if needed (it don't bob a 720p input, right?), and rescale (with HDCP is needed).

Does the component input also support these HDTV processing?

Thanks in advance.

regards,

Li On

LiON the Pioneer is not the only one to do this. In Europe there are TWO Pioneers that will and in the US and here Arcam DV79 and DV29 will also.

Gordon

Thanks for the info. The question remain...

regards,

Li On

Originally posted by Li On
The new HD+ has DVI+HDCP. Is that mean it will take the Pioneer 59avi HDMI (to DVI) 480i/576i (with HDCP I think) for the usual Sil504 deinterlace and all other processing in the iScan and out via DVI in any supported resolution (with HDCP)?
No, it will not process a 480i/576i signal from DVI. This might be added in future firmware upgrade, though.

I think the HD+ DVI takes 1080i (as well as 720p, right?) HDTV, "bob" it if needed (it don't bob a 720p input, right?), and rescale (with HDCP is needed).
From the 4th post in this thread:
"The iScan HD+ can take an incoming HD signal over DVI and scale to the chosen output resolution. With 480i signals, the iScan HD/HD+ uses motion and source adaptive video deinterlacing for NTSC (3:2 and 2:2 pulldown; video) and PAL/SECAM (2:2 pulldown; video) sources. With a 1080i signal, the iScan HD+ uses 'bob'. 'Bob' consists of treating each video field independently for de-interlacing purposes".

Does the component input also support these HDTV processing?
Also from the 4th post:
"The analog component inputs function the same way as the iScan HD. If the component signal comes in with a resolution exceeding 480p(NTSC) or 576p(PAL), it will be passed thru and it will not be transcoded to RGBHV."

And from the post immediately before yours:
"Neither the iScan HD or HD+ will process or transcode an analog HD signal."

- Dale Adams

Originally posted by Dale Adams
From the 4th post in this thread:
"The iScan HD+ can take an incoming HD signal over DVI and scale to the chosen output resolution. With 480i signals, the iScan HD/HD+ uses motion and source adaptive video deinterlacing for NTSC (3:2 and 2:2 pulldown; video) and PAL/SECAM (2:2 pulldown; video) sources. With a 1080i signal, the iScan HD+ uses 'bob'. 'Bob' consists of treating each video field independently for de-interlacing purposes".


As far as my poor English understanding, the above saying does NOT clearly state whether or not the HD+ DVI will take 480i or not. Your answer above does clear up the confusion.

So the only unclean question: how about a DVI 720P HDTV (with or without HDCP)? Bypass? "bob" like 1080i? Scale to output resolution?

Thanks in advance.

regards,

Li On

Originally posted by Li On
As far as my poor English understanding, the above saying does NOT clearly state whether or not the HD+ DVI will take 480i or not. Your answer above does clear up the confusion.
Which is why I provided a separate answer to that question and did not quote a previous post in this thread.

So the only unclean question: how about a DVI 720P HDTV (with or without HDCP)? Bypass? "bob" like 1080i? Scale to output resolution?
That's 2 (maybe 3) questions. ;) You might want to try reading the posts in this thread as your questions have already been answered. That's one of the main advantages of having a public forum instead of just communicating via email and PMs.

In short, however: 'Bob' is a deinterlacing technique. 720p is not interlaced. Hence, there is no need to deinterlace it. The HD+ will scale a 720p DVI input signal with or without HDCP. If it's HDCP protected then it can only be sent out the iScan's DVI port, also with HDCP protection.

- Dale Adams

720p through DVI will be scaled up, as there's no need to deinterlace it.

Seriously, I think the original post is VERY confusing!

The OLD iScan HD can't do anything to 720p/1080i except passthrough. And no HDCP.

The new iScan HD+ has HDCP and process HDTV.

That beg the following questions on 3 input signals via DVI:

1. 480i/576i
2. 720P
3. 1080i

To my understanding, the original post which Dale quote repeatedly said:

1. 480i is processed for deinterlace, scaling and all the usual processing
2. not mentioned
3. 1080i is "bob" deinterlace and scale

After my 2 posts questions, the following is concluded:

1. NO 480i/576i DVI processing
2. 720P is scaled
3. 1080i is "bob" deinterlace and scale

If you all think the original post is so clean about all the issues and my questions seems so silly, then moderator please remove my posts AND Dale reply. Thanks in advance.

regards,

Li On

PS: in fact I just come up a new question! The old iScan HD will process (scale) a 480P input as long as there is no HDCP. How's the new HD+ process 480P with HDCP via DVI?

Originally posted by Li On
Seriously, I think the original post is VERY confusing!
You may want to try looking at the information on the DVDO website at: http://www.dvdo.com/pro/pro_ishdplus.html That provides more detailed information on the HD+. If you still have questions after looking at that site (or the 52 other posts in this thread), please ask them.

The OLD iScan HD can't do anything to 720p/1080i except passthrough. And no HDCP.

The new iScan HD+ has HDCP and process HDTV.

That beg the following questions on 3 input signals via DVI:

1. 480i/576i
2. 720P
3. 1080i

To my understanding, the original post which Dale quote repeatedly said:

1. 480i is processed for deinterlace, scaling and all the usual processing
2. not mentioned
3. 1080i is "bob" deinterlace and scale
From the original post (which is really a marketing blurb rather than a technical specifications list): "the iScan HD+ adds scaling of high definition sources (720p, 1080i) which come in on DVI, and HDCP support over DVI",
so 720p input over DVI is explicitly mentioned, as it was in other posts in this thread.

If you all think the original post is so clean about all the issues and my questions seems so silly, then moderator please remove my posts AND Dale reply. Thanks in advance.
That's a bit of an over-reaction, I think. I was simply suggesting that you read the entire thread (which really isn't that long, unlike another one I can think of ;) ) before posting questions. Most of what you asked had already been discussed.

The old iScan HD will process (scale) a 480P input as long as there is no HDCP. How's the new HD+ process 480P with HDCP via DVI?
Yes. If the iScan HD+ can process the DVI signal, then it can process it regardless of whether it's HDCP-encrypted or not.

- Dale Adams

Make the DVI works with 480i/576i HDCP and we will have a KILLER!

Someday I'll bring a Pioneer 59avi to try the Faroudja 1010 on 480i/576i DVI input...

regards,

Li On

Originally posted by Li On
Make the DVI works with 480i/576i HDCP and we will have a KILLER!
Very good point. We have done some work on this, but haven't integrated all the parts together to do this yet. ('Parts' here refers to digital signal processing blocks which are all located inside an FPGA, not discrete chips. This is why we could potentially offer this as a firmware upgrade to the HD+.) Then all we'll need is a lot more source devices which provide this type of signal.

- Dale Adams

LiOn,

576i for HDCP sounds useless, luckily Europe has not taken a stand for HDCP and hopefully they'll resist this silly standard.

So, the only thing that's required is HDCP processing (Scaling and deinterlacing) for HDCP for 1080i, 480i and 720p with the output requiring HDCP.

So you don't have DVI/HDMI output in PAL land? Or your PAL Pioneer 59avi has no HDCP?

regards,

Li On

I have yet to see any PAL unit do HDCP.

Maybe it'll happen with HDMI.

I think it's gonna happen with HDMI because a lot of the parts come together as a kit, Ofer.

The Europe model of the Pioneer 59avi is called 868xxx, right? So it's HDMI has NO HDCP? If so then maybe the current non-HDCP iScan HD and even the Crystalio may take the HDMI-DVI 480i/576i for deinterlace and scaling?

regards,

Li On

LiOn,

I have not checked any HDMI units yet. I'm much more of an SDI fan.

Sorry I don't understand. You haven't checked HDMI and you're quite sure there is NO HDCP in PAL land?

regards,

Li On

Originally posted by Li On
Sorry I don't understand. You haven't checked HDMI and you're quite sure there is NO HDCP in PAL land?

regards,

Li On

I said i havent seen it or heard reports about it yet. I was only referring to DVI.

I expect HDMI will use hdcp, but i have not specifically checked it.

I hate HDCP.…

Well I have asked about it on email and in another post but here goes.

I have had my Iscan HD for 3 weeks now.

I find out about the upgrade abilites of the unit and am very happy to hear it and ordered it. Then suddenly its all about moving to the HD+ unit. I swear I have the worst luck... I open a box and a replacement comes out. I have kept a Fosgate FAP-T1 in a box just to prove this...

Anyways.

I got my unit from onecall before finding out that DVDO would honor the same deal.

Use my unit and have found various issues.
HDCP does not pass if the unit is in auto on DVI
Depending on the device connected you either get a HDCP warning screen and the DVD stops or you get a playing disc that you can hear but not see while the IScan flops back and forth between process'able signal and bypass. This gives no image.
The ability to scale DVI signals to the set res has been dropped. (Err put in the + model. It was stated many times that they were planning or hoping to get this into the HD via updates.)
Working with some DVD payers I can not get the iScan to format the picture right. The DVD player is trying to recognize that the signal is 4:3 or 16:9 and images just won't fit sometimes... change modes on the iscan 16:9, 4:3, Letterbox and then start changing settings on the DVD player... too many buttons... :(

Due to the issues mentioned above my unit spends a lot of time in bypass mode. What the heck is it there for then you may ask? I know I am asking it. :( That is until I pop in a 16:9 DVD into the SDI modded DVD player I have.

I am switching out my Sat receiver as soon as it comes in and then I will have a DVI out sat receiver. So that relegates me to no analog ins anymore.

I was hoping to use the DVDO with the DVI in from sat. I would set the sat to native and let the DVDO process the SD channels and just pass through the HD ones. Well I gotta say... if I am going ot constatnly jump in and out of AUTO on the DVI setting for this... grrrr. Remember my problems with DVI signals not going if HDCP'd.

Please allow for a cheap upgrade to the HD plus.

Last night I was watching Discovery channel Dinasour planet via S-Video into the iScan and it was the worst image I have ever seen come out of the unit. Looked like a bunch of digital trash on all the trees and leaves in the background. Didn't have the energy to recalibrate everything to try to improve it and just went to the Sat boxes scaling via component.

really concerned that the new box is going to make my IScan a doorstop.

Could of, would of, should of... bought from DVDO... then I could atleast tradeup without losing 1/2 the investment. :(

Getting off soapbox.

Sorry if this has already been covered but does the new unit have more than one DVI input?

Originally posted by Darian
HDCP does not pass if the unit is in auto on DVI
Depending on the device connected you either get a HDCP warning screen and the DVD stops or you get a playing disc that you can hear but not see while the IScan flops back and forth between process'able signal and bypass. This gives no image.
Which iScan firmware version do you have? You can find the firmware version at the bottom of the iScan's information screen. If the last digits of the version number are less than 1.10 (e.g., 1.07), then you have an older firmware version which may not give you the best DVI behavior with HD or HDCP-encrypted sources. Newer firmware versions, which can be found on the DVDO website, have improved this quite a bit. In the meantime, you can try putting the iScan's DVI input port in passthrough mode to see if this helps.

The ability to scale DVI signals to the set res has been dropped. (Err put in the + model. It was stated many times that they were planning or hoping to get this into the HD via updates.)
Working with some DVD payers I can not get the iScan to format the picture right. The DVD player is trying to recognize that the signal is 4:3 or 16:9 and images just won't fit sometimes... change modes on the iscan 16:9, 4:3, Letterbox and then start changing settings on the DVD player... too many buttons... :(
I'm not quites sure what type of signal you're talking about here. The iScan HD does not process HDCP-encrypted signals and never will. There was never a promised (or even hinted at) update which would allow the HD to process HDCP-encrypted signals. The iScan HD simply does not have the hardware needed to do this. The HD+ does, but that's a different box.

The iScan HD (or the HD+) does not automatically recognize the aspect ratio of the source. You have to manually tell it what type of signal you're sending it.

I was hoping to use the DVDO with the DVI in from sat. I would set the sat to native and let the DVDO process the SD channels and just pass through the HD ones. Well I gotta say... if I am going ot constatnly jump in and out of AUTO on the DVI setting for this... grrrr. Remember my problems with DVI signals not going if HDCP'd.
Again, this may be simply a matter of what firmware version you have.

Last night I was watching Discovery channel Dinasour planet via S-Video into the iScan and it was the worst image I have ever seen come out of the unit. Looked like a bunch of digital trash on all the trees and leaves in the background. Didn't have the energy to recalibrate everything to try to improve it and just went to the Sat boxes scaling via component.
Was this an HD channel? If so, then the STB is downscaling and interlacing the image, sending it to the iScan, and the iScan then deinterlaces and upscales the image. Obviously, this is not the optimal way to do things.

- Dale Adams

Originally posted by tubby
Sorry if this has already been covered but does the new unit have more than one DVI input?
No, it has just the one. You can use an external DVI switcher, but that is extra cost and complexity in your system.

- Dale Adams

I am using the Beta firmware from the website. Once I put in the SDI mod I got the most upto date firmware and have been willing to post about my experiacne as beta.

Aspect ratio... this is more problem of the DVD player trying to guess that it is straight to a 16:9 display. The Bravo does this. The panasonic SDI modded does not. Toss in a 4:3 DVD and you have 2 different behaviors. The Bravo tries to fit it to 4:3. While the panasonic just sends it over to the iScan for work duties.


The issue with the HDCP is that the iScan can't leave it alone and pass it without forcing the unit to bypass. But the abiliaty to scale the lower def signals via DVI was on the table when I purchased the unit. I understand that the hardware can't do it. That is why I would be happy to pay a bit for an upgrade board/circuit.

Discovery was the SD channel.

Darian,

Simply use DVI in passthrough mode, always.

If your source is either HDCP (i.e., the iScan HD can't help) or already deinterlaced (BRAVO- so the iScan HD only does scaling), it's best to simply bypass and that's it.

Originally posted by Darian
I am using the Beta firmware from the website. Once I put in the SDI mod I got the most upto date firmware and have been willing to post about my experiacne as beta.
Exactly which version number is this?

Aspect ratio... this is more problem of the DVD player trying to guess that it is straight to a 16:9 display. The Bravo does this. The panasonic SDI modded does not. Toss in a 4:3 DVD and you have 2 different behaviors. The Bravo tries to fit it to 4:3. While the panasonic just sends it over to the iScan for work duties.
DVD players don't typically "guess" - you tell them what to do. You most likely want the player to output the signal without performing any aspect ratio changes and let the iScan do it. Normally, that means you tell the player that the display is 16:9 and it will then pass most sources unchanged. Of course that does depend to some extent on the player. You can't, however, expect the iScan to control the player's behavior.

The issue with the HDCP is that the iScan can't leave it alone and pass it without forcing the unit to bypass. But the abiliaty to scale the lower def signals via DVI was on the table when I purchased the unit. I understand that the hardware can't do it. That is why I would be happy to pay a bit for an upgrade board/circuit.
You can scale SD signals (480p, 576p) via DVI as long as they're not HDCP-protected. What source do you have that's producing HDCP-protected SD? The Bravo doesn't and I assume you're using the SDI output of the Panny. Your STB does this?

I'm still not sure what you mean by "abiliaty to scale the lower def signals via DVI was on the table when I purchased the unit". Could you explain a bit more?

- Dale Adams

Dale,
Would there be anyway (in future firmwares) to add PIP or split screen? It would be great to watch tv and also have a web browser running, etc. Would this be a hardware limitation? Thanks. SJ

Ok, so...

1) The HD+ will upconvert more than just 480i, and will now upconvert higher resolutions such as 720p and 1080i? So the HD+ can de-interlace 1080i and upscale it to higher resolutions? Any thoughts about upconverting/scaling 540i/p or 960p? Doubt there will be much need for this, but perhaps its useful somehow.

2) Will it downconvert signals? Downconverting is probably not that important a function, as most displays actually do a reasonable job with that, but I'm curious.

Is it going to come with the SDI input stock or as an included option?

Sounds like a cool product so far.

Originally posted by SJHT
Would there be anyway (in future firmwares) to add PIP or split screen? It would be great to watch tv and also have a web browser running, etc. Would this be a hardware limitation?
This isn't going to be possible. The hardware of the iScan HD & HD+ only accommodates a single active video input. For PiP or split-screen you'd need two, and the iScan won't do that.

- Dale Adams

Originally posted by cpc
1) The HD+ will upconvert more than just 480i, and will now upconvert higher resolutions such as 720p and 1080i? So the HD+ can de-interlace 1080i and upscale it to higher resolutions? Any thoughts about upconverting/scaling 540i/p or 960p? Doubt there will be much need for this, but perhaps its useful somehow.
Yes. Yes (although 'deinterlace' in this case means just a simple 'bob'). The hardware is capable of accepting and scaling more than just 480i/p, 576i/p, 720p and 1080i. It's largely a matter of what the HD+'s operating software supports, although there are some hardware limitations (it won't accept 1080p input, for instance). Initially, just 720p and 1080i will be accepted outside of SD formats, but that could change in future firmware updates if there's enough demand.

2) Will it downconvert signals? Downconverting is probably not that important a function, as most displays actually do a reasonable job with that, but I'm curious.
Both the HD and HD+ will downconvert, depending on what you mean by the term. They will not output 480i or 576i. They can, however, take an input signal at a one resolution and scale that signal down to a lower resolution. A 1080i signal, for instance, and be down-converted to VGA. Obviously this is more significant in the HD+ which accepts HD resolution inputs.

Is it going to come with the SDI input stock or as an included option?
SDI is still an option on the HD+.

- Dale Adams

So the HD+ will take a 1080i signal and output 720p? Projectors seem to be good with 1080i, but it may be interesting to see if the HD+ can take HDTV and do a better job of processing/downscaling for the many 720p projectors currently out there.

Cool. Well, that sounds really good. Still loving my iScan Ultra, but if and when I upgrade my PJ, I'll be seriously considering the HD+ :)

Originally posted by cpc
So the HD+ will take a 1080i signal and output 720p?
Yes (from the DVI input only, though).

- Dale Adams

Dale Adams, 1000 posts. Congrats.

Originally posted by rogo
Dale Adams, 1000 posts. Congrats.
Whoo, Hoo! (I think about 972 of them are back in the original iScan HD thread...)

This one's 1,001! :D

- Dale Adams

I remember my first 1000, I can tell you that the next 1000 posts are easier...

Rogo is clearly the posting champ (world record pending).

Dale,
Will I be able to use setting like brighness, contracts, etc. on DVI 720p or 1080i signals? I would like to understand what features can be used on 720p/1080i HD signals in the HD+ vs. HD. Thanks! SJ

Originally posted by SJHT
Will I be able to use setting like brighness, contracts, etc. on DVI 720p or 1080i signals? I would like to understand what features can be used on 720p/1080i HD signals in the HD+ vs. HD.
Yes. For the most part, anything that works with SD signals on the iScan HD will work with 720p and 1080i signals from DVI on the iScan HD+. This includes picture controls, frame rate conversion, scaling, etc. There are a few partial exceptions - e.g., with a 720p source you won't get guaranteed 3:3 frame repetition with a 3:2 pulldown source when you set the output frame rate to 72 Hz locked.

- Dale Adams

So, one of the main benefits of the HD+ is that it scales HD sources to the native rate of the display.

How does the HD+ compare to typical scalers in plasma displays? I know it is an impossible question to answer, but I am trying to get a perspective on the benefit of using an outboard scaler for HD scaling.

Perhaps another way to ask the question is what algorithm approaches would be better and what would be worse? What degree of difference in picture quality are we talking from these?

I am also intersted in the answer to HooStat's question. I too simply just want to use an outboard scaler to take an HDTV (1080i, 720p) source and better match it to my projector's native resolution, particularly since the scalers on older projectors like mine are not on par with what's built into todays units.

Also, to add some control over the sizing/positioning/color adjustments/refresh rates/ ect.. on HDTV sources since many projectors and plasmas have these adjustments blocked out when an HDTV source is feed.

Dale, Thanks for all your input.

-Russell

Originally posted by Russell1
I am also intersted in the answer to HooStat's question. I too simply just want to use an outboard scaler to take an HDTV (1080i, 720p) source and better match it to my projector's native resolution, particularly since the scalers on older projectors like mine are not on par with what's built into todays units.

Also, to add some control over the sizing/positioning/color adjustments/refresh rates/ ect.. on HDTV sources since many projectors and plasmas have these adjustments blocked out when an HDTV source is feed.
The iScan HD+ can do this as long as the HD input signal to it is DVI, not analog. You have full picture controls as well as the ability to scale to any output format.

I'll let others comment on the subjective comparisons between the iScan's processing and that found in the various displays out there. I don't really do the marketing thing. :D

- Dale Adams

Dale
But, the HD+ will only downconvert HD signal to VGA signal through the DVI input and output of the HD+, correct?
OR, will it downconvert an HD signal to VGA signal through the DVI input and VGA output of the HD+? I don't think so ...... too bad for me.

Originally posted by Dale Adams
The iScan HD+ can do this as long as the HD input signal to it is DVI, not analog. You have full picture controls as well as the ability to scale to any output format.

I'll let others comment on the subjective comparisons between the iScan's processing and that found in the various displays out there. I don't really do the marketing thing. :D

- Dale Adams

Hi Dale:
Can you comment on what the Iscan does to make a 1080i signal into a 768p signal for a plasma and what algorithms might be better and worse (in a general way) for this process?

Or not. :)

Mark

Originally posted by johnbm
But, the HD+ will only downconvert HD signal to VGA signal through the DVI input and output of the HD+, correct?
OR, will it downconvert an HD signal to VGA signal through the DVI input and VGA output of the HD+?
If a DVI input signal has HDCP protection, then that signal (or a processed version of it) can only be sent out of the iScan's DVI output port, also with HDCP protection. The HDCP license mandates this behavior.

However, if a DVI input signal is not HDCP-encrypted, then the iScan HD+ will produce either an analog or digital (i.e., DVI) output. This applies to all output resolutions and formats. If an HD-resolution DVI input signal is not HDCP-encrypted, then the iScan HD+ can downconvert it to analog VGA.

- Dale Adams

Originally posted by HooStat
Can you comment on what the Iscan does to make a 1080i signal into a 768p signal for a plasma and what algorithms might be better and worse (in a general way) for this process?
Each field of the 1080i input, which is treated as a 1920x540 resolution signal, is scaled to produce an output frame at a resolution of 1366x768 (or some other resolution that you might choose). Since adjacent 1080i fields have a vertical offset relative to each other, the scaling process introduces a compensatory phase shift which causes the scaled output from both even or odd fields to be spatially coincident. In other words, the scaler introduces a 1/2 line offset when it starts the scaling process to compensate for the offset between the even and odd interlaced fields. This deinterlacing technique is normally referred to as 'bob', since the scaling operation bobs up and down with alternating even/odd fields.

There are pros and cons to this method. On the plus side, it's fairly simple to implement (especially if you already have a scaler in your system) and it never produces interlace motion artifacts (combing) in the output. On the minus side, it throws away the vertical resolution which can be gained by combining the even and odd numbered lines from adjacent fields, either through a motion-adaptive deinterlacing process or when fields are merged in an inverse 3:2 or 2:2 pulldown process. The 'bob' method does not normally provide the highest quality output. Better quality (but more complex and expensive) methods use motion-adaptive and/or source-adaptive deinterlacing to produce a deinterlaced 1080p frame, and then scale that frame to the desired output resolution.

- Dale Adams

Hello All:

I have been an AVS surfer for a few weeks now, and decided to take the plunge over the weekend and sign up. Anyway, I am a long-time videophile and film buff and have previous experience with LCD projection (bought the sharpvision HV-30U back in 1992) along with the Lexicon CP-1 surround sound processor. Those are long since gone.

Here is my question to those more learned and seasoned pros of A/V speak who own HT systems: I am going to buy either the Panasonic AE 700 LCD pj or the Sony HS-51 LCD pj in the coming weeks, along with a 133" Draper Luma matte white screen (cheap for the size), but my biggest investment is deciding whether or not to buy the iScan HD+.

I have about 1,500 laserdiscs and 600 DVD's, and as most of you know, laserdiscs, while letterboxed, are NOT-ANAMORPHIC. I want to get the best resolution out of my cinemascope and 1.85 laserdiscs that I can, and being that my LD/DVD combo player is only capable of spitting out an S-Video signal, I need to not only up-convert from Y/C to Component/DVI but also to input non-anamorphic laserdiscs and hope to get a much better quasi-anamorphic result from the iScan device.

Do you all think it is worth the investment, and will it make a significant difference in the viewing of my old letterboxed laserdiscs?

Any help would be appreciated!

Tony

Wittsdream, the iScan-HD will help with laserdiscs in some respects, however LD picture quality is highly dependent on 1) the quality of the LD player, and 2) the quality of the disc pressing. If you're watching a noisy, badly-transferred laserdisc, there's nothing going to help you.

See my site in the link below. I've recently put up an article on how to get the most from laserdisc on a digital display.

I own a Samsung HLN617W (Generation2 DLP rear projection) TV and Series 1 Tivo unit. I would like to place the HD+ between my Tivo and the TV to cleanup/upconvert the content. I believe the Tivo outputs at 420i. Can anyone tell me if the HD+ will make a noticeable difference in picture quality in the scenario? My TV already has Faroudja DCDi de-interlacing with 3-2 pulldown processing built in, so I am unsure how much better the HD+ will up convert the Tivo content.

I have a 50" Sammy DLP (HLN upgraded from HLM) and have used both the CS-2 deinterlacer/scaler (similar to an Iscan HD/HD+) and and Iscan Ultra (deinterlacer only).

Both of these units make a huge improvement over the builtin processing of the Sammy. This is using the analog component outs of my DVD player and the digital (DVI) outputs of the scaler/deinterlacer.

Either the analog ins on the Sammy are handled poorly or their implementation of the DCDi is poor, since even the deinterlacer only is a huge improvement.

You'd be very happy with the results IMO.
If your sources are already digital/DVI then you may not see much/any improvement.

Ken

Hi Dale,

I think in the 'Iscan HD' thread you wrote, the 2:2 pulldown of PAL sources is not as robust and stable as the 3:2 pulldown of NTSC sources because of the limited abilities of the Si504 chipset.

What are the consequences regarding picture quality when using PAL film or non-film (video camera) sources?

I am living in a PAL country (Germany). I have tested some FLI2200 scaler products and the picture quality was great, even with PAL sources (film and video). The Vigatec DUNE-F is nearly perfect but very expensive. The HOLO3D HTPC solution is great but very complex to configure. A Faroudja NRS is great but expensive and inflexible.

The Iscan HD+ would be a very attractive deinterlacer/scaler solution, if the picture quality with PAL would be similar to the FLI2xxx chipset products.

I don't know if this is possible, but please could you describe the limitations of the Iscan HD(+) with PAL sources in detail. Thanks in advance.

Regards
Bernhard

Bernhard,

First, you have to remember that 2:2 pulldown is 100x more difficult than 3:2 pulldown. With 3:2 pulldown, you get two duplicate fields in a sequence of every 5 fields. That means that after a maximum of 5 fields you know EXACTLY where you are in the cadence. With 2:2 pulldown, there is never a repeat frame to help you find your location in the cadence. 2:2 pulldown is half luck, half hard work...

Regarding your findings with the Faroudja chips. I think it's debatable. In my system, the iScan HD performs as well or better on PAL as any other Faroudja based solution I've seen so far.

Ofer,

now I understand - great explanation of the 2:2 problem - thanks a lot!
Also for your PAL impressions compared to the Faroudja based products.

Dale,

The iScan HD+ is still not available, so I will have to test an iScan HD with SDI option in my system (I've called my retailer already :)

Can I transfer any test results directly from the iScan HD to the HD+?
(Because of the similarity between the iScan HD and HD+)

So if the iScan HD preforms very well in my system the HD+ will do it the same way?

Regards
Bernhard

P.S.: My first posts within 2 years membership. Sorry, it was absolute enough to search and read first. Now, I think I have something important to ask. ;)

Dale
Has there been any change in pixel clock frequency? If my memory serves me correctly the HD PCF = 150MHz.

Tony

If you want to compare the scaling of HD signals between the Iscan and the circuitry in the display, can you set the DVI input to "pass through"? In other words, can you make the HD+ act like the HD?

Would it be possible to implement a selectable "pass through" for DVI and YUV/RGBS inputs (per input)? So every DVI, YUV and even interlaced SD YUV-signals could be passed through the iScan HD(+) without processing on demand?

Regards
Bernhard

Hey all (and Dale :P),
Pretty new to all this but have been following the original HD/HD+ threads. Just wanted to clarify somethin that probably has been covered but I dont quite understand. The HD/HD+ will not output a HD signal from the component inputs (say from a xbox game at 780p/1080i) through the DVI output but it will through the VGA/component output right? I'm just concerned on how i'm going to chain my xbox if i get a iScan. Maybe I read something wrong in one of the replies but just wanted to make sure. Thanks

DVDO is pleased to announce that owners of the iScan HD, may upgrade
their unit(s) to iScan HD+ functionality via a board-level upgrade. This upgrade will be available at a charge of $399, beginning November 29, 2004.

Upgrades will be performed in the USA, by the DVDO Authorized Service Depots listed below:

HomeTheatrix
Framingham, MA 01701
(877) 243-7593 (Toll Free)

JVB Digital
Dearborn, MI 48124
(313) 336-6259

For International customers, please contact your Authorized DVDO distributor in your region. International Distributors (http://www.dvdo.com/res/ww_resellers.php) or:

JVB Digital
Maten 51
3831 PJ Leusden
The Netherlands

Phone: +31-33-4655366
Fax: +31-33-4655466

Mail address:
JVB Digital
P.O.Box 124
3830 AC Leusden
The Netherlands

To take advantage of this option, please call your preferred service provider directly. Reservations and pre-orders are accepted, and work will be performed on a first come, first served basis. The providers listed above are the only authorized service depots which can perform these upgrades, and all questions regarding procedures, shipping, and timing should be directed at the time of order.

Be advised that your unit will need to be shipped to the service depot for the upgrade and will be unavailable to you during the time of the upgrade. Users who do not wish to be without their iScan HD may take advantage of the DVDO trade-in program listed at www.dvdo.com/trade-in, which provides for the purchase and delivery of the HD+ before requiring the return of your existing iScan HD unit. To pursue this option, go to: http://www.dvdo.com/faq/faq_upg.html

We regret that this technology is not available by a simple software update or user performed board swap, but hope that this program demonstrates our commitment to keeping our customers current, and pursuing the most cost effective means of achieving this.

Hey Josh this is Travis with Custom Entertainment, I saw that you had called I have been really busy lately, sorry I have not called back probably will today or tomorrow.

Josh,

Excellent news!

The SDI upgrade is the same cost for both the iScan HD and the iScan HD+? There are no plans to make SDI a stock feature of either?

SDI is the same price for both the HD and HD+, in fact, it is exactly the same SDI input module that fits into either unit. At this time there are no plans to make SDI standard. If you are concerned about installing the SDI input module yourself, you should call JVB Digital as they can sell you an iScan HD or HD+ with the SDI input preinstalled and they can modify your DVD player with an SDI output.

Originally posted by Ricey
The HD/HD+ will not output a HD signal from the component inputs (say from a xbox game at 780p/1080i) through the DVI output but it will through the VGA/component output right?

You are correct. The iScan HD and HD+ do not have the hardware necessary to take an incoming analog HD signal and either process or transcode the signal to DVI. You can either run the Xbox at 480p max output or run an analog connection to your display to carry the Xbox signal.

Thanks Josh. One more question.
Was thinking of hooking the iScan to the dvi port of my LCD TV and have the xbox hooked up directly to the TV's HD Component port but then I realized my digital/HDTV cable box (uses component, dvi not yet activated by time warner)wouldnt work correctly. If I'm watching normal SD 480i channels, the iScan should be able to upconvert it no problem but what if i change to one of the HDTV channels? Will it just show up as snow? Maybe I'll just need to get a VGA->Component adapter to hook everything to the iScan.

Ricey - Have you considered running component video as the main connection between an iScan HD/HD+ to your RP-LCD? In your system it sounds like it may be the most convenient connection and give your very near the performance of the DVI connection. I would reassess your connections when the DVI out of your cable box is activated.

Most cable boxes will scale all channels, including SD channels to the chosen HD output resolution, either 720p or 1080i. This is true of both the DVI and YUV outputs. The typical work around is connecting the cable box with both an HD connection (YUV or DVI) and an SD connection (Composite or S-Video). This work around does require the user to manually change the inputs to watch native HD or deinterlaced/scaled SD.

Josh

Interesting news about the upgrade. But I have 2 questions - 1. If if it's just a board exchange - why can't it be done at an end user level ? Most people who are computer savvy and HT savvy probably have the patience and expertise to exchange a circuit board (and with all due respect having opened the case to install the SDI module there ain't really too much to remove and replace!!) and 2. I bought my HD from AV science and shipped it to Australia myself. The retail prices quoted by the authorised distributor in Australia were basically double the US price. (Exchange rates, shipping and taxes don't add that much of a mark up.) There is no local retail or service centre in Sydney ( The distributor is in Melbourne - the retailer he sent me to in Sydney when I was considering buying locally doesn't carry the iScan because there is "no demand anymore") so there is probably no local service centre. I don't want to pack up my HD and ship it around the world.:rolleyes: for something that I know I could probably do myself !! What do you suggest for us iScan HD users in the wide brown land of Oz.

Chris

@Josh or Dale

There were significant PAL film mode locking problems with the HD.
Are these problems completely solved now?

Is it already or will it be possible to pass through e.g. DVI-SD/HD and YUV SD even interlaced sources on demand (e.g. option in the setup or remote control key)?

For CRT owners two standard resolutions 1440x864@50Hz (PAL) and 1440x720@60Hz (NTSC) are very interesting. Are these resolutions available as standard settings?

Josh,

Any plans on providing control over the cadence search window area? In Crystallio, reducing that window (controllable through the user) signficantly improved the cadence lock in PAL because of subtitles.

I found out that my LCD uses a Pixel Works 181. Does anyone know how this compares to the silicon image 504 that the HD/HD+ uses?
From what I can see SD content is better than my old tv (wish it could be better) and even some HD content has slight artifact/noise. Thanks

Originally posted by ChrisR
Josh

Interesting news about the upgrade. But I have 2 questions - 1. If if it's just a board exchange - why can't it be done at an end user level ? Most people who are computer savvy and HT savvy probably have the patience and expertise to exchange a circuit board (and with all due respect having opened the case to install the SDI module there ain't really too much to remove and replace!!)
Chris

You will need a custom tool from Xylinx, and you would need to know how to flash an eprom. As stated in the announcement, it's not just a simple board exchange. Way too many things could go wrong to let this be done at the user level.

Josh,

Has the speed on the pixel clock been increased or is it the same as the HD?

Tony

Originally posted by oferlaor
Josh,

Any plans on providing control over the cadence search window area? In Crystallio, reducing that window (controllable through the user) signficantly improved the cadence lock in PAL because of subtitles.

Not at this time.

Originally posted by Tony Costanza
Josh,

Has the speed on the pixel clock been increased or is it the same as the HD?

Tony

The pixel clock is the same.

Josh,
if you find the time, please could you also answer my questions.
Thanks.

Originally posted by bejoro
Can I transfer any test results directly from the iScan HD to the HD+?
(Because of the similarity between the iScan HD and HD+)

So if the iScan HD preforms very well in my system the HD+ will do it the same way?


Yes, with SD content, the performance of the HD and HD+ will be the same.

Originally posted by bejoro
Would it be possible to implement a selectable "pass through" for DVI and YUV/RGBS inputs (per input)? So every DVI, YUV and even interlaced SD YUV-signals could be passed through the iScan HD(+) without processing on demand?

Regards
Bernhard

The hardware is capable of passing thru on the DVI and YUV inputs. The DVI input already has this ability in the HD and will have it in the HD+. At this time there is no work in progress to support this is on the YUV input. Is there a particular reason why you would want to pass thru an SD YUV signal?

Originally posted by bejoro
@Josh or Dale

There were significant PAL film mode locking problems with the HD.
Are these problems completely solved now?

We have added "Film Bias" mode to help with PAL film mode locking in the HD. Outside of that, the problems with 2:2 pull down detection are largely a result of the limitations in the SiI504.

[i]For CRT owners two standard resolutions 1440x864@50Hz (PAL) and 1440x720@60Hz (NTSC) are very interesting. Are these resolutions available as standard settings? [/B]

These are not standard preset resolutions, although they can be created using the custom programming of the output parameters. If you can provide the timing information associated with these resolutions, it is possible they could become presets.

Josh
I just read your new article. Very well written and an excellent read.

Josh,

CRT owners use those two resolutions as they are integer multiples of the DVD resolutions for PAL and NTSC.

BTW, EVERY ONE has 2:2 pulldown locking problems because there are no repeat fields to track down, so the locking is half luck and half trial and error...

Hi Josh! You have a PM.

Dale
Are you mentally prepared for a "2300 posts and counting" thread on the HD+ as well? :D

Wow. So many posts...for both threads...

I wonder...I like pixel perfect, and scaling is key, so letting a projector scale has its drawbacks, therefore, an iScan HD scaling is better for over 480p displays. What about even before I get a higher resolution PJ? Many have said that taking a higher resolution into a PJ is a good thing. Any thoughts? For example, the many people running upscaling dvd players at 1080i into their PJ's. Theoretically I could run 540p, 720p or 1080i into my 480p lcd pj and it should look as good or better than 480p, right? Just a thought. I am also wondering how important it will be to go for 720p or 1080 when I go up to a 720 projector. I may upgrade my iScan Ultra for an HD or HD+ depending on the difference it makes :)

Josh,

Can you tell at this point if the HD+ resolves the "snap, crackle, pop" audio issues with B&K processors that the original HD had?

-John

could you please confirm/verify the ff:
- DVI and HD-15 outputs are NOT simultaneous, but can be switched thru remote (digital vs analog)
- analog 480i/p component input will be processed while any resolution above will be passed thru; in both instances, a signal will be output to HD-15. i have read that the iScan does not do analog transcoding. so if my HD-15 output is set to YPbPr, then i should get an output from my component inputs (whether processed SD or HD pass-thru)?
- for 4:3 sources, my ONLY output options for a 16:9 display is a scaled 4:3 image with black side bars or scaled stretched image (linear). there are no other stretch options such as Mitsubishi's Stretch Plus or Samsung's Panorama?
thanks very much.

Originally posted by John Williams
Josh,

Can you tell at this point if the HD+ resolves the "snap, crackle, pop" audio issues with B&K processors that the original HD had?

-John

As soon as we have a production unit in house I will test this on my AVR507

Originally posted by memnoch [/i]
could you please confirm/verify the ff:
- DVI and HD-15 outputs are NOT simultaneous, but can be switched thru remote (digital vs analog)

Correct

analog 480i/p component input will be processed while any resolution above will be passed thru; in both instances, a signal will be output to HD-15. i have read that the iScan does not do analog transcoding. so if my HD-15 output is set to YPbPr, then i should get an output from my component inputs (whether processed SD or HD pass-thru)?

Correct

for 4:3 sources, my ONLY output options for a 16:9 display is a scaled 4:3 image with black side bars or scaled stretched image (linear). there are no other stretch options such as Mitsubishi's Stretch Plus or Samsung's Panorama?

The iScan HD allows you to watch 4:3 with side bars, stretched horizontally (linear) or zoomed (for 4:3 Letterbox DVDs as an example). You can also zoom both horizontally and vertically in 50 individual steps.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by akm3
[B]Yea, a reasonable price ($200-$300) to upgrade means you get more $$ from me. A cost to me of $750 to trade in means you don't get more $$ from me. The choice is DVDO's :)


Sounds like they're comfortable with that choice. Are you with yours?

Well it's November... Is it shipping yet?

I have one on order and don't have it yet... ... :D

Sorry Josh, a little late!

This is the video timing I used for my Barco 1208/2:

H active: 1440
H front proch: 56
H sync width: 152
H back porch: 192
V active: 864
V front porch: 1
V sync width: 3
V back porch: 38
V refresh rate: 50,00

I have discovered some other timings at 1440x864 but this worked best.

I hope this was not already answered but is it possible to connect e.g. a TV (PAL progressive scan) to the analog output with 576p and a projector to the DVI output with 720p and switch both via remote (different output resolutions analog/DVI)?

I'm trying to figure out which makes more sense in my situation, the HD+ or HD. I'm planning on getting the Sony HS51 which has a native res of 1280x720. HD source initially will be a Comcast box via DVI.

At this time the Comcast box can't pass a HD signal straight through. You have to select 720p or 1080i. So there could be the following situtations:

Comcast box set to 1080i:
720p channel -> box converts to 1080i -> iScan converts to 720p
1080i channel -> box does no conversion -> iScan converts to 720p

Comcast box set to 720p:
720p channel -> box does no conversion -> iScan does no conversion
1080i channel -> box converts to 720p -> iScan does no conversion

So I guess the question becomes, does the HD+ deinterlace 1080i better than a Comcast box. From what I've read it does it via bob, which does not seem that difficult. Is this what a comcast box does as well? I don't really see any reason to get the HD+ over the HD, at least not in this situation. Please correct me if I've missed something.

Josh/Dale,

Does the HD+ do high quality (multi-tap) downscaling for all in->out resolution combinations? I got bit by the FLI2300 bug where it downscales by decimation (throws pixels away) for some resolutions (1080i -> 720p, 1080i -> 1024x768, 720p -> 1024x768).

--Dan

Hi,

Is 480i/576i over DVI (with HDCP) be processed via deinterlace/scaling like other analog SD input? I asked the question since the beginning and I just read through the last 2 pages and saw no mention of the feature. Will it be in the production release? Thanks in advance.

regards,

Li On

From what I understand IScan HD+ will scale 480p & crossconvert 720p/1080i over DVI input (including signal with HDCP) & send it out via DVI. I believe it will also scale/deinterlace 480i over DVI input provided firmware is released for it to accept 480i over DVI input.

We should start shipping out the first iScan HD+s late next week, while orders that are placed today, should be filled in early December. We are sorry about the delay, but keep in mind some manufacturers products are delayed months at a time before they go into production.;)

Originally posted by Li On
Is 480i/576i over DVI (with HDCP) be processed via deinterlace/scaling like other analog SD input?... Will it be in the production release?

My understanding is that the initial software for iScan HD+ will not include support for 480i over DVI (HDMI). I will find out when to expect this and post in the next couple of days.

Originally posted by Josh@dvdo
We should start shipping out the first iScan HD+s late next week, while orders that are placed today, should be filled in early December. We are sorry about the delay, but keep in mind some manufacturers products are delayed months at a time before they go into production.;)

I know ive been waiting for my new projector for 3 months now :), sorry for being this direct. My 'problem' was/is with skipping questions on these topics while updating the website in way that makes us wonder. I was not asking for anything like why is it delayed just a response like you just provided. Why do i feel this is important because if you don't changes are that alot of people will start to see your company as a 'happy talking company'. Im sure alot of people will find me insulting by saying this but over the last few years we have seen several brave companies providing firsthand info to these board in good times and pulling back in bad time (probably for good reasons) and then when the next product cycle comes stop providing info not to get burned again.

Im hoping that dvdo will not becomming one of them because your direct feedback is a important part in many of our (newbies) learning curves you provide info that most dealers can't.

Most of us would understand if you are more direct about the amount of support you can provide at times like 'sorry we will be busy for the next 8 weeks or we just updated our site there is a few weeks of delay and we can't comment on why'


Hope you read these comments with the good spirit i am trying to make them and that my non native english speaking translation doesn't strike the wrong tune.

Greetings,

Daniel.

The fact that DVDO is providing a board upgrade for us IScan HD owners to bring it on par with IScan HD+ says a lot about their commitment to their customers.

Originally posted by vinodk
The fact that DVDO is providing a board upgrade for us IScan HD owners to bring it on par with IScan HD+ says a lot about their commitment to their customers.

This is my last message on this topic before i seem like a dvdo basher im not, read my message i worry about happening to dvdo on this board what happend to other 'reps' from companies.

Ive talked and they did several things for me sofar that proof they support their product just fine it was just a warning that if they only react to some questions and ignore the ones about delays some people will start to paint them in a way they did with others (they only react to things they like) and that mostly results in the company leaving the forums. Take Jeff from Denon for example or Bob from infocus, They went from very active at product release, then slowed down, got attacked more and more and now either left or lurk mostly.

Greetings,

Daniel.

Hi Daniel! Didn't mean to offend you. I apologize if I came across the wrong way. I was just making an observation. I can tell you I am getting better service from DVDO in the 4 months I have owned their product compared to almost 2 years of owning a B&K prepro & frusturatingly waiting for upgrades.

I will be at EHX next week in Long Beach showing the iScan HD+. I will have a 50" plasma and an HD TiVo for demonstration. The show floor is open Tuesday (10-6), Wednesday (10-6) and Thursday (10-3) and we are at Booth #1265. Please stop by if you have any questions or if you want to preorder the HD+.

For more info about the show, check out: http://www.ehexpo.com/

Forgive my ignorance... I'm currently using the iScan HD with a DishDVR
921. The 921 does its own upconversion of whatever signal to 1080i or
720p and outputs via DVI.

DVDs are processed in my system via SDI, so this input isn't relevant...

The iScan outputs via DVI to my BenQ 8700+, which accepts a naitive 1080i
HD resolution via the DVI.

Today, everything coming in via the DVI is obviously passed through.
Exactly what would I gain with the HD+? Besides using the iScan's aspect
ratio/zoom modes (I currently use the ones built into the DishDVR 921),
since the 921 forces an upconversion to either 1080i or 720p of SD signals,
am I correct in saying I won't see any improvement of these Dish-based
upconversions of 480i since they are upconverted to 1080i prior to
reaching the iScan?

Thanks,

-Jay

Originally posted by jsa_sf
Today, everything coming in via the DVI is obviously passed through.
Exactly what would I gain with the HD+? Besides using the iScan's aspect
ratio/zoom modes (I currently use the ones built into the DishDVR 921),
since the 921 forces an upconversion to either 1080i or 720p of SD signals,
am I correct in saying I won't see any improvement of these Dish-based
upconversions of 480i since they are upconverted to 1080i prior to
reaching the iScan?

If your end goal resolution to be input into the display is 1080i, your cable box will be doing the scaling to that resolution and then the iScan (since it is also being set to 1080i) will assume that everything is all set and will just pass it through. There is no gain in this scenario.

Does the 921 offer a "passthrough" mode for the non-HD channels? My Motorola 5100 cable box can be set to only scale the HD channels, while the standard-def channels are output as 480i so the iScan can deinterlace and scale them.

Originally posted by Josh Z


Does the 921 offer a "passthrough" mode for the non-HD channels? My Motorola 5100 cable box can be set to only scale the HD channels, while the standard-def channels are output as 480i so the iScan can deinterlace and scale them.

I also have a 921. You have to select a HD output (480i, 480p, 720p,1080i) for either the DVI or component out. It doesn't do what your cable box does (to my knowledge). You can also output a 480i SD signal via SVideo or component by using a button on the remote.

Jay,
Why are you sending 1080i to your projector? Why not 720p? That is the native rate of your projector. I have an Optoma H77 and am currently outputing everything at 720p (from my iSCAN HD) and my 921 DVR (via the passthrough). I'm also wondering about whether a HD+ will add much to my setup which is very much like yours..... Thanks. SJ

Originally posted by SJHT
I also have a 921. You have to select a HD output (480i, 480p, 720p,1080i) for either the DVI or component out. It doesn't do what your cable box does (to my knowledge). You can also output a 480i SD signal via SVideo or component by using a button on the remote.

Jay,
Why are you sending 1080i to your projector? Why not 720p? That is the native rate of your projector. I have an Optoma H77 and am currently outputing everything at 720p (from my iSCAN HD) and my 921 DVR (via the passthrough). I'm also wondering about whether a HD+ will add much to my setup which is very much like yours..... Thanks. SJ

SJ,

Agreed, the 921 does not have the SD passthrough that this guy's cable box does. Neat feature idea, though. Therefore, I have it set to 1080i, and I do the least amount of configuration... I surf channels all the time and I don't want to have to switch back and forth... Though if I catch your meaning, hitting the SD button will output 480i via the svid or component, which I could do when watching a crappy SD source and let the iScan do the scaling instead.

As for why I'm outputting 1080i to my projector vs. 720p, it was my understanding that this was a subjective decision. What makes you say that 720p is the naitive rate of my projector? Perhaps a bit of projector faq I haven't quite absorbed yet.

-Jay

Originally posted by Justins123
At this time the Comcast box can't pass a HD signal straight through. You have to select 720p or 1080i. So there could be the following situtations:

Comcast box set to 1080i:
720p channel -> box converts to 1080i -> iScan converts to 720p
1080i channel -> box does no conversion -> iScan converts to 720p

Comcast box set to 720p:
720p channel -> box does no conversion -> iScan does no conversion
1080i channel -> box converts to 720p -> iScan does no conversion

So I guess the question becomes, does the HD+ deinterlace 1080i better than a Comcast box. From what I've read it does it via bob, which does not seem that difficult. Is this what a comcast box does as well? I don't really see any reason to get the HD+ over the HD, at least not in this situation. Please correct me if I've missed something.

I asked this earlier. Seems to be similar to the discussion at hand. As far as I can tell the HD+ would be most useful for those that are scaling to a custom (non 1080i/720p) resolution.

HD+ will also take a HDCP signal and scale as well as crossconvert resolutions. This is important as conversion & scaling is going to be superior in IScan rather than a HDTV STB.

Originally posted by jsa_sf
As for why I'm outputting 1080i to my projector vs. 720p, it was my understanding that this was a subjective decision. What makes you say that 720p is the naitive rate of my projector? Perhaps a bit of projector faq I haven't quite absorbed yet.

The BENQ PE8700 is a 720p (1280x720) projector.

http://www.projectorcentral.com/BenQ-PE8700.htm

Any other signal you input into it will be scaled by the projector to 720p. The question you need to ask is whether the scaling chip in the projector is better than the one in the cable box (or an iScan). If not, you want to do all of your scaling to 720p externally.

Originally posted by dhnjp1
Josh/Dale,

Does the HD+ do high quality (multi-tap) downscaling for all in->out resolution combinations? I got bit by the FLI2300 bug where it downscales by decimation (throws pixels away) for some resolutions (1080i -> 720p, 1080i -> 1024x768, 720p -> 1024x768).

--Dan Still waiting for confirmation that the downscaling doesn't suck.

--Dan

Our scaler uses the same poly-phase filter structure for both downscaling and upscaling.

Our downscaling doesn't suck

Originally posted by Josh@dvdo
Our scaler uses the same poly-phase filter structure for both downscaling and upscaling.

Our downscaling doesn't suck

The text for your next ad has been written!

:D

I searched this thread, but found no response to my question. So, here goes:

What is the purpose of adding a device like this, to my home theater? I'm not completely clear on what this does, how it does it or when this would or would NOT be a useful addition to anyone's home theater.

Thanks in advance,
Stan :)

4sfed,

Start here:

http://www.yubyub.net/scalerfaq/scaler_faq_index.htm

Excellent! Thanks! :)

I just wanted to update thsoe wondering about 480i over DVI. It looks like it will be addressed after the next software revision. It may be late December or early January before this is released.

Originally posted by Josh@dvdo
I just wanted to update thsoe wondering about 480i over DVI. It looks like it will be addressed after the next software revision. It may be late December or early January before this is released.

Josh,

Are you saying that support for 480i over DVI will require only a software upgrade?

Mike

That is exactly what I am saying.:)

Josh,

It is my understanding that a DVD player that can send a 480i signal via its HDMI output will not do so if the handshake process between it and the destination device tells it that the destination is a DVI connection. Does the software update that you will be providing somehow allow the iScan HD to be seen as an HDMI rather than DVI connection to such a DVD player?

There is no spec for 480i over DVI, hence if you connect a source that is capable of 480i over HDMI to a display with DVI (with an adapter or cable), the display will "tell" the source not to output 480i. We are working on the software that will allow an HDMI source to output 480i to our DVI input and in turn we will deinterlace and scale to the desired output resolution. This is all given that the source is capable of outputting 480i over HDMI.

WOW! This is huge! This means that one does not have to get a SDI modded DVD player to transfer a pure digital signal to the scalar. That saves a chunk of change right there. There are a few DVD players out there that do output 480i over HDMI.

SDI though is still beneficial to those with older displays that don't have a digital video input (DVI or HDMI).

Josh,

Thanks for explaining the HDMI 480i process. There aren't too many current DVD players that output 480i over HDMI. The Pioneer Elite DV-59avi, a couple of Arcams and at a much lower price point, the new Sony DVP-NS975V. Hopefully it will become more common. I think it's great that you are accomodating this in the HD+.

Josh,

Recently I tried the Pioneer 59avi HDMI to DVI to the new Mitsubishi HC900 (1024x576) DLP projector. The HC900 detected and display the 480i input. The Mits input signal info said the input is indeed 480i. Too bad the picture looked like the "split" image with incorrectly sync signal processing maybe!

Too least your saying of DVI forces HDMI to NOT output 480i is incorrect on this setup.

regards,

Li On

Originally posted by Josh@dvdo
There is no spec for 480i over DVI, hence if you connect a source that is capable of 480i over HDMI to a display with DVI (with an adapter or cable), the display will "tell" the source not to output 480i. We are working on the software that will allow an HDMI source to output 480i to our DVI input and in turn we will deinterlace and scale to the desired output resolution. This is all given that the source is capable of outputting 480i over HDMI.

Josh,

I have a Sony HD-300 DirecTV receiver and it claims to output 480i over DVI. I started a thread last night, http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=471678 , to confirm that it would actually do this, and the most recent reponse confirms that it does.

Assuming this is true, my plan would be to connect the HD300 via DVI to the Iscan HD+, configure the HD300 to output native format, 480i/720p/1080i depending upon the received signal, and then have the Iscan HD+ deinterlace and scale to the native rate, 768p of my Panny TH-50PHD6UY plasma.

With the software upgrade to the Iscan HD+ to allow it to accept 480i over DVI, will this work?

Thanks.

Mike

I am still a little confused about the difference between the iScanHD and the HD+. If I am only connecting sources through the iScan's component inputs, but outputting from the iScan's DVI output to my plasma tv's DVI input, is there any difference between the two products? From what I gathered from the iScan website, the only difference between the two seems to be if I am connecting a source through the iScan's DVI input (which does not apply to me), regardless of whether the output is from the iScan is DVI or component. Am I correct about this? Thanks!

Robgold, If you intend to use component in and dvi out you only need the iscan HD however if you want to run say 480p dvi in and have it scaled to 1080i or 720p by the iscan you will need the HD+.

Actually, both units will scale 480p DVI to 1080i or 720p. It's just that the HD will not be able to do this with a DVI-HDCP signal, whereas the HD+ will.

Originally posted by robgold
I am still a little confused about the difference between the iScanHD and the HD+. If I am only connecting sources through the iScan's component inputs, but outputting from the iScan's DVI output to my plasma tv's DVI input, is there any difference between the two products?

In your current system, there would be no difference between the iScan HD and iScan HD+. The difference between the HD and HD+ is the iScan HD+ can scale 480p/720p/1080i with or without HDCP (High-Bandwidth Digital Content Protection) on its DVI input.

From what I gathered from the iScan website, the only difference between the two seems to be if I am connecting a source through the iScan's DVI input (which does not apply to me), regardless of whether the output is from the iScan is DVI or component. Am I correct about this? Thanks!

You are correct that the HD+ would not benefit you in your current setup. If you plan on purchasing a DVI or HDMI source in the near future though I think HD+ would make more sense.

Hello,

I have gone through this post and I cannot seem to find answers to my questions.
So here it goes

1. Which iScan product can take a DVI-DVD input and output it to a CRT projector as a RGsB or RGBHV signal ??

2. Which iScan product can take a YUV-DVD input and output it to a CRT projector as a RGsB or RGBHV signal ??

3. The RGsB and RGBHV signal comes out of the VGA output I take it ?

4. Can a DVI 1080i input signal be sent out to the RGsB and RGBHV output ?

5. Will any iScan product work on either 110v or 220v, or are their specific models for each voltage ??

6. When will the manual of the HD+ be available on the DVDO web site ?

Sorry for the long list of questions :D , but I am new to these products and I would like to know before I invest more than 1500USD in a product.

Thank you in advance for your replies
kind regards
vincent

Originally posted by vinny_27
2. Which iScan product can take a YUV-DVD input and output it to a CRT projector as a RGsB or RGBHV signal ??

3. The RGsB and RGBHV signal comes out of the VGA output I take it ?


2. Both
3. Yes

Originally posted by vinny_27
Hello,

I have gone through this post and I cannot seem to find answers to my questions.
So here it goes

1. Which iScan product can take a DVI-DVD input and output it to a CRT projector as a RGsB or RGBHV signal ??

Neither the iScan HD or HD+ can take a DVI signal with HDCP and output it as an analog RGsB or RGBHV signal. The iScan HD+ can take a 720p or 1080i signal in on its DVI input (given that it does not have HDCP) and output that signal as RGsB or RGBHV.

2. Which iScan product can take a YUV-DVD input and output it to a CRT projector as a RGsB or RGBHV signal ??

Any of the iScan products can do this. The iScan Pro and iScan Ultra can do this if the YUV signal is interlaced, the iScan HD and HD+ can both handle interlaced or progressive YUV signals.

3. The RGsB and RGBHV signal comes out of the VGA output I take it ?

With the use of a breakout cable, both RGsB and RGBHV come out of the VGA output.

4. Can a DVI 1080i input signal be sent out to the RGsB and RGBHV output ?

See above. Only if the 1080i signal (or 720p signal) does not have HDCP.

5. Will any iScan product work on either 110v or 220v, or are their specific models for each voltage ??

All iScan products are designed to work with both 50/60Hz and 110/220v.

6. When will the manual of the HD+ be available on the DVDO web site ?

The iScan HD+ manual will be up our web site either late this week or early next week.

Originally posted by Josh@dvdo
Neither the iScan HD or HD+ can take a DVI signal with HDCP and output it as an analog RGsB or RGBHV signal. The iScan HD+ can take a 720p or 1080i signal in on its DVI input (given that it does not have HDCP) and output that signal as RGsB or RGBHV.



Thank you both for the precise answers.

Regarding point 1 in your answer you talk about HDCP is that some form a copy protection (hence the CP in HDCP) ?
Are there some DVD players that can output a DVI signal without HDCP ?

I live in france, but can I order directly from the DVDO web site in the States ? Especially since the Dollar is so low compared to the euro at the moment !

thank you in advance
kind regards
vincent

HDCP = High-Bandwidth Digital Content Protection

I know the Bravo DVD players from V Inc. do not output HDCP.

You can not order directly from the DVDO website as we only ship to domestic customers. Here is the contact info for our French Distributor, who I recommend contacting if you would like to purchase a DVDO product in France.

FVS
13 rue du Coq Gaulois
77170 Brie Comte Robert
France
contact: Charles Jacquard
phone: +33 1 60 62 49 00
fax: +33 1 60 62 47 00

For all those wondering, the first shipments of iScan HD+ will go out on Monday the 29th.

Have a Happy Thanksgiving!:)

Originally posted by Josh@dvdo
For all those wondering, the first shipments of iScan HD+ will go out on Monday the 29th.

Have a Happy Thanksgiving!:)

Thanks for the news, this also means a batch will goto europe i hope to fill backorders :)

Daniel.

Originally posted by Josh@dvdo
For all those wondering, the first shipments of iScan HD+ will go out on Monday the 29th.

Have a Happy Thanksgiving!:)

http://www.allposters.com/IMAGES/ATA/24805BP.jpg

Good news. Now I will be waiting for a call from JVB to upgrade HD to HD+.

Hi Josh

I have an iscan hd sdi and I want to up-grade it to hd+ :will it be possible to make it in France

will the iscan hd+ will run 1080p@50Htz

I have allready test my iscan with the HD2K and it was better than 1010 of Faroudja

Robert

bob74 - Contact JVB in the Netherlands to upgrade your iScan HD. For more info go here:

http://www.dvdo.com/res/mod_ww_resellers.php

The iScan HD+ is capable of 1080p@50Hz.

I got real interested in this thing until I saw it only has one DVI input. How many HTs these days have only one DVI source? Without even trying, I can come up with three--HD cable, DVD with DVI, OTA HD or satellite. Instead, it has composite??? Who the heck could stand to watch composite on any decent display?

Multiple DVI inputs is so logical for a unit like this can't imagine why it is not there right now. Can we expect it in the near future??

BTW, here's what the competition is doing:

Lumagen is introducing three new products: Vision DVI ($999), Vision HDP($1499), and VisionPro HDP ($2299). All have two HD analog and two HD DVI-D inputs. The Vision DVI can transcode, process, and scale HD sources.

Dan

I have a USDTV HDTV reciever that will recieve both HDTV and digital SD. If I set my box to 480i, would the iScanHD+ convert both the SD and HDTV signals to 720p?

Also, what would happen if I leave my box set to 720p? Would the IScan HD+ re-scale and process both the SD and HDTV signals?
My box has component only (No DVI)

What I'm getting at is would I be able to get seemless processing of both the SD and HDTV channels from my one STB thru the IscanHD+ and would the image of the SD (or HDTV for that matter) be any different than w/o the Iscan? Thanks.

Originally posted by DanHouck
Who the heck could stand to watch composite on any decent display?

I wouldn't want to watch DVDs that way, certainly, but some of us still hang onto our older video formats such as VHS and laserdisc for exclusive content not found on DVD yet.

Man, VHS was so bad on my 106" projection setup, I got rid of what few tapes I had and gave my son the player. Haven't missed it at all. :)

Just got notification that my HD+ has shipped. It'll be here tomorrow.

Hi everybody,

I have an uncommon question and I will appreciate it if you can help me.
Currently I living in NY, but soon I am expected to go back to my home country in Europe. I wish to buy a TV here and take it with me (too expansive in my home country), but I have a few questions that so far remained unanswered.
So here is the story:

TV I want: Samsung HL-P5085w 50" DLP HDTV ready.
It can accept the following 4 signal only:
480i (NTSC) / 480p
720p / 1080i
It doesn't accept PAL which is used in my country.
The voltage issue that can be easily solved using a voltage adopter.
Here is what I want to do: Use the DVDO iScan HD (or HD+) to accept all signals: Cable in PAL, my Xbox in NTSC, DVD in 480p, and output using DVI 720p to the Samsung TV.
Do you guys think its possible?
Do you see any problem I have not anticipated?

Thanks again,

Eran
nyc - > europe

It seems to do PAL==>NTSC conversion, as I've viewed PAL DVDs at 720p/60.

Got my new HD+ all hooked up and working good. I'm still looking for the settings to get 1:1 pixel mapping for a Sony XBR950 though.

AFAIK the Sony XBR950 will only accept 720p or 1080i on the DVI input

Originally posted by Josh@dvdo
AFAIK the Sony XBR950 will only accept 720p or 1080i on the DVI input

Well, regardless, I've still seen a very noticable improvement in PQ from SD signals from my HDTivo. My friends came over last night and asked me when our local news started broadcasting in HD. They were suprised to learn it was the SD signal through the HD+.

If you have an iScan HD+ and you intend on installing the SDI Input Module, you DO NOT need to install any software. The iScan HD+ comes with software that already supports the SDI Input Module and the software that comes with the SDI Input Module is only for iScan HDs with software earlier than 1.10.

Josh, can you please try to answer my question.
I did figure out that the Samsung's refresh is 60Hz and horizontal scan rate of 45kHz, which match the description on the DVDO site.

Originally posted by abikhzer
Here is what I want to do: Use the DVDO iScan HD (or HD+) to accept all signals: Cable in PAL, my Xbox in NTSC, DVD in 480p, and output using DVI 720p to the Samsung TV.
Do you guys think its possible?
Do you see any problem I have not anticipated?


I see no problem with this setup, given that the output on the Xbox is not set to output 720p or 1080i. If you connect a 720p or 1080i signal via component, the signal will be passed thru to the component output, not the DVI output, but if the signal is 480i or 480p the iScan HD/HD+ can process the signal and do frame rate conversion (50hZ->60Hz).

Received my HD+ on Friday and set it up this evening. All seems to be working great.

One issue... Trying to find discrete On/Off codes. The CCF on the DVDO website has discretes... but they don't seem to work.

Has anyone have a working set of discretes for the IScan+?

DVDO, any ideas?
Thanks,
cjett

I supposed they were for HD+, as they do not work also for HD...
Please, DVDO people, test this ccf with your units so that we can be sure there is something wrong with our remotes.
Thank you

I hooked up my new HD+ last week. I only setup my Denon 5900 and went through the calibration with Avia again. The first thing I did was play a quick segment in "Day After Tomorrow" where the janitor in LA opens the door after the tornado passed. I don't really think this is a very good dvd transfer and my original setup with the 5900 really aggravated it. I was originally sending 720P through the 5900's DVI to a samsung DLP RP display. The artifacts were overwhelming. Now I'm running the 5900 at 480i out of the component output to the HD+ and then to the samsung through the DVI output at 720P. The same scene is soooo much smoother. The artifacts are definitely still there but I truly believe it's the DVD.

I sat and watched The Matrix Reloaded last night and I'm very, very pleased with the picture. The picture is so good that I don't think I'll need to do the SDI mods until I decide to upgrade my display in the future.

Now I'll hook up my HD STB and get the Harmony all programmed. The unit is a keeper for me.

I just hooked up my new HD+ via SDI to my DVD player and have noticed that the HD+ is displaying the picture offset much lower with the black bars being 10x on top what they are on bottom. The bottom of the picture is actually being cut off and not displayed. I have not made any modifications to zoom or pan the picture. Has anyone else seen this with SDI on the HD+?

There's an option off the configuration menues dealing with SDI which deals just with this issue.

I coldn't find anything in Config specific to SDI, but I did use the line offset to adjust the picture. Is this what you meant?

How good does it upconvert satellite sources. Particularly directtv. I am thinking about getting it and feeding it a s-video input from my RCA tivo direct tv receiver (it does not have component out), but I am afraid it will not impove the satellite picture by to much (or atleast not $1500 worth). Anyone hooked it up to their satellite receiver yet. Can it upconvert it to close to HD quality. Wishful thinking??

Originally posted by KenMar
I coldn't find anything in Config specific to SDI, but I did use the line offset to adjust the picture. Is this what you meant?

yup.

Hi i have been lurking around for a while, i have read the whole HD+ thread, and some of you guys are way over my head, so i hope i could ask a simple question.

I have a 50" PanasonincTH50-PHD7 and would like to get the best possible picture out of it from my three sources


Cable box , PAL Scart RGB
Harmon DVD25 , Component
HTPC, VGA or DVI (ATI 9700)

Hope to get HDTV from my fibercable supplier next year, 720p or 1080p


Is HD+ the correct product for me ? if not what is ?

And how should i hook up every source to get the best possible picture ?



TIA

Originally posted by ppatel300
How good does it upconvert satellite sources. Particularly directtv. I am thinking about getting it and feeding it a s-video input from my RCA tivo direct tv receiver (it does not have component out), but I am afraid it will not impove the satellite picture by to much (or atleast not $1500 worth). Anyone hooked it up to their satellite receiver yet. Can it upconvert it to close to HD quality. Wishful thinking??

It really depends on the channel. I have my HD+ hooked up to my DirecTv HDTivo via DVI. The HDTivo outputs 1080i to the Iscan. I've seen near HD results on some channels such as MSNBC or other channels with good signals. Poor signal channels will get marginal results. Overall though, I am happy with the improvment of DirecTv overall.

I have tried the Svideo out as well. This resulted in a softer picture than the DVI output and I saw less improvement overall. The picture is still better, I just don't know if it would be $1500 better to you.

Originally posted by Josh@dvdo
AFAIK the Sony XBR950 will only accept 720p or 1080i on the DVI input

Hello, I was wondering if you could tell me which Sony XBR950 you are referring to?

I plan on getting the Sony KDL-42XBR950 (42" LCD panel) in january 2005 and i have Starchoice HDTV and SDTV here in Canada. Unfortunately it does not have a DVI connection. We are still waiting for the DVR (PVR DSR-530) to hit the market (rumours in 2005) but not clear if that will include a DVI connection.

I plan on watching alot of HDTV, SDTV, and DVD's on the set. Will getting a Iscan HD or HD+ benefit me? The Sony has a resolution of 1366 x 768 and i want to connect the component connections from the Starchoice (Motorola DSR-500) to the Iscan HD or HD+ and then from that unit to the Sony LCD via DVI. The starchoice receiver has the ability to select 480i,480p,1080i, or allow the monitor to achieve its native resolution by bypassing the above selections. What will be the best resolution i can achieve for both DVDs and HDTV, SDTV with this Sony LCD, as in theory 720p will be tops in native resolution as it does not have enough pixels to display TRUE 1080i, correct?

Will i get a better picture, with added scaling and zooming capibilities with the Iscan. Is it worth it for me to get one? I have a Sony DVP-9000ES DVD player via component connection and i am upgrading from a Sony KV-32XBR450 CRT tv from 2001.

Are the internal scalers in the Sony XBR LCD and the Sony ES DVD player good enough? or will the added Iscan HD or HD+ help me get better performance and picture quality. I guess what i am asking is, will it be better to add this box or go directly from the Starchoice receiver or DVD player right into the TV.

Any help would be appreciated, any one using the Iscan HD or HD+ with a Sony LCD, or plasma....with similar connections as myself?

Thanks in advance,
Robert

Robbie.

I have the IScan HD+, a 1400X788 projector, and a DSR-500 also.

You have to set the switch behind the front door of the DSR-500 at "0000" (native) and put 480i in the user menu to use the de-interlacing of the IScan that is better.

But you can't transcode your analog component connection to digital. So you need to use a HD15 to RGB adapter to connect it also to your Sony. The IScan will process 480i but will passthrough 720p and 1080i.

And I can tell you that the IScan is really improving the SD signal of the DSR-500. I was really surprised at the results. But be sure to send a 480i signal to the IScan.

Worth getting an Iscan? Probably, just because you will avoid double-scaling by matching the native resolution of your set that is "non-standard". For me, the difference is pretty obvious when I bypass the scaling of my 3chip LCOS projector by setting the IScan to output 1400X788.

I just hope Star Choice will stop lagging so clearly behind the technology curve. Bell ExpressVu are having a new decoder with DVI this month. But SR is really lagging behind...

LEVESQUE

I've got an HD+ on order and wanted to ask a question that is raised by your post.

If I send the HD+ a Svideo signal from either my cable box(it not HD)or DVR, the HD+ doesn't convert it so that it'll output on the DVI output??

Originally posted by JimP
LEVESQUE

I've got an HD+ on order and wanted to ask a question that is raised by your post.

If I send the HD+ a Svideo signal from either my cable box(it not HD)or DVR, the HD+ doesn't convert it so that it'll output on the DVI output??

It will "convert it" and output it on DVI (if you so choose)... :D

It will not take in anything over 480P on the component inputs and process it.

Cheers!

So on HD satellite over component, the HD+ will pass through 720p and 1080i, and convert 480i to whatever I select. Is that correct?

Originally posted by JimP
So on HD satellite over component, the HD+ will pass through 720p and 1080i, and convert 480i to whatever I select. Is that correct?

On the component inputs, you are correct.

However, if you use the DVI input, with HDCP, then it will process HD sources as well. However HD sources coming in via DVI must go out via DVI.

Originally posted by JimP
I've got an HD+ on order and wanted to ask a question that is raised by your post.

If I send the HD+ a Svideo signal from either my cable box(it not HD)or DVR, the HD+ doesn't convert it so that it'll output on the DVI output??

Congrats! I think you did send your 5900 to be SDI modded? Prepare yourself for a nice surprise! No MB anymore... and no lipsync or "noise" problem (just kidding...).

Analog in is going analog out. 480i and 480p can be process, 720p and 1080i are passthrough.

DVI in is going DVI out. 480i, 480p, 720p and 1080i can be process.

No transcoding from analog to DVI tough.

Thanks Levesque,
Regarding your suggestions on how i should hook up the Sony KDL-42XBR950 i plan on getting next month.

You sure are correct in Starchoice lagging behind, but i do enjoy the picture quality on my CRT direct view set and i am sure i will enjoy it on this new LCD widescreen unit considering i will be gaining 10" of real estate, plus going from 4:3 to 16:9 is a huge plus.

So Levesque i will be able to eliminate the grey bars and black bars on the sides of many of the HD channels on starchoice, correct?
Usually HD281 to HD289 are all like that on my currect sony 32" inch XBR.

So besides the Iscan HD+ unit, what other cables or adapters will i need?
So for DVDs it will be better to set my DVP-9000ES sony to interlace and let the Iscan change it to progressive or should i set the DVD player as progressive from the start?

And for Starchoice HDTV and SDTV, i set the front panel 0000 on the DSR-500 and scale to the native resolution of the Sony LCD panel right? which is 720p i believe.....let me know what else i need Levesque....thanks in advance as the SDTV quality and the ability i hope to getting rid of the bars on the sides is what i am most worried about

Regards,
Robert

Any word on a new HD+ iScan being released with additional DVI or HDMI inputs? Having more than one of these digital inputs would be great!

so i need 2 HD15 to RGB adapters (RCA type) right?

or do i connect the component connection from the DSR-500 to the iscan HD+ and than use the RCA RGB connection from the iscan to the sony lcd HD15 connection?

the Sony LCD i plan on getting does not have a VGA terminal, only a DVI interface......

please clarify what exactly i will need....thanks
Robert

I received my my Iscan HD+ and was wondering when will the next software be released for it?

I have it connected to my Sharp LC-45GX6U and it seems to not synch up correctly at 1080p out put so I have it running at 1080i. Also, on some screens, it tends to show bright green dots/lines like artifacts.

Abbas

As this is not a singular issue for one person, I suggest contacting DVDO so they can simulate the combination of products you have and determine the cause of the problem.

Originally posted by Abbas
I received my my Iscan HD+ and was wondering when will the next software be released for it?

I have it connected to my Sharp LC-45GX6U and it seems to not synch up correctly at 1080p out put so I have it running at 1080i. Also, on some screens, it tends to show bright green dots/lines like artifacts.

Abbas

Check your DVI cables (quality) and connections (reconnect and make sure they are secure). Thats what usually causes these sorts of problems.

Steve

Originally posted by Abbas
I received my my Iscan HD+ and was wondering when will the next software be released for it?

I have it connected to my Sharp LC-45GX6U and it seems to not synch up correctly at 1080p out put so I have it running at 1080i. Also, on some screens, it tends to show bright green dots/lines like artifacts.

Abbas

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=477805

It's not a cable issue.

Are you sure the sharp will accept 1080p?

sspears - some people have been able to successfully bypass the AVC box and feed native 1080p into the monitor but it does not seem to be the case with mine. I did get it to synch for about 5 minutes the first and I could not get it duplicate the result. The picture looked much better being driving by the IScan than the Sharp AVC box.

My thinking is that since the Sharp AVC box has no problems sending the signal to the monitor then the problem must be from the Iscan. Since people have been successful with the IScan HD then the problem must lie with IScan HD+'s software. Atleast that is my thinking.

Abbas

Are there any plans to improve the deinterlacing system on HD input for the HD+ unit? Currently there's more 1080i stuff where I'm at than 720p and I think I read that DVDO is using simple Bob to deinterlace HD rather than a motion adaptive system. I hate the thought of losing picture information after it has taken so long to get it with HD finally arriving on my Time Warner cable (aka BrightHouse). My provider still doesn't even acknowledge the existence of the SA Explorer 8000HD or 8300HD PVRs.

Bill,

I strongly doubt it. For full blown 1080i deinterlacing, you'll have to wait for DVDO's next gen products (which I assume will have it).

Nonetheless, this seems like the scaler to go with. I'm going to keep an eye on the "green lightning / green snow" issue. Otherwise, the HD+ seems to be one of the most highly rated and reasonably priced scalers available. On the plus side is the built-in audio delay function to keep the sound sync'd. I know some are complaining about only one DVI input but with an SDI card and a modified DVD player, I think it's a very workable solution.

My wife is just going to kick my ass when she sees the bill for my HT project. This iScan HD+ will probably be the least of my worries.

Bill,

My wife immediately saw an improvement in SD broadcasts with the HD+. The cost issue became a nonissue when she saw the improvement. The "green lightning" problem looks like it may be resolved quickly.

Originally posted by BillBragg
Nonetheless, this seems like the scaler to go with. I'm going to keep an eye on the "green lightning / green snow" issue. Otherwise, the HD+ seems to be one of the most highly rated and reasonably priced scalers available. On the plus side is the built-in audio delay function to keep the sound sync'd. I know some are complaining about only one DVI input but with an SDI card and a modified DVD player, I think it's a very workable solution.

My wife is just going to kick my ass when she sees the bill for my HT project. This iScan HD+ will probably be the least of my worries.

I'm in total agreement(except for the wife thingy). I checked into the cost of a couple of other scalers and found them beyond my price point. I might be able to go $1,500, but not at all interested at $3k when HD is where it currently is.

Regarding the wife, wrap up the Iscan and give it to her for Christmas. Be sure to tell her that its non returnable so she doesn't try to swap it for clothes or anything else equally useless.:D

BillBragg - I wrote to the company regarding the greenlighting thing and they sent me a software update for it. I cant test it yet as my Sharp LCD has died but they said it had solved the problem.

Abbas

When you say the company, are you referring to DVDO??

The DVDO web site shows a new version of software for the HD+ as of yesterday, version HDP-5.6-2.30.

Jimp - Yes, DVDO

What exactly is the issue with the "green light"?

I had a "purple flicker" with my HD+ at first, but Josh did send me a new firmware and it did solve the "problem" completely. He told me it was fixing the "flicker" and the "green flashes"...

It's so easy to do. Plug the IScan in the computer and 5 minutes later... problem solved! Hassle free.

And my wife was also really impressed by the satellite PQ with the IScan HD+. Big improvement in my case.

Originally posted by jmr21
The DVDO web site shows a new version of software for the HD+ as of yesterday, version HDP-5.6-2.30.

This is not a new version, my HD+ came shipped to me a few days back with 2.02-5.6-2.30. Not sure what this is about but not the software update we are waiting for.

Daniel.

The version posted on the website is the original shipping firmware (230).

Hi Folks,

I have been lurking on this list for a long time but this is my first post.

I recently got a HD+ and have a "blue screen" question. Here is my situation.

First of all my output device is a LG DLP set that accepts 720p either through DVI or analog. I am outputting out of the HD+ using analog RGB at 720p.

I have three devices total to input to the iScan HD+, DVD player, HD STB and HD DirecTivo.

The DVD player is outputting 480p or i depending on the situation and going into a component input. This works fine.

For the STB (LG LST-4200), I was planning on using the DVI output to the HD+ and use the variable 3 output setting which means that all high def programming is output at 720p and SD programming is output at 480p. Sending this into the DVI input means that the HD+ will process this signal and output per the output setup. This works fine.

For the HD Tivo, I am sending component into the HD+ and from reading the manual, it says that if the component input is 480i or 480p, the HD+ will process the signal and output it at my output setting of 720p. This also works fine.

But, what I would really like to do is set the HD Tivo to output at 720p and then because I am using the RGB analog out on the HD+, this 720p signal would be sent "passthrough" out the RGB to the DLP set. But, when I set the HD Tivo to output 720p, all I get is a "blue screen" on the TV.

If I connect the component from the HD Tivo directly to the TV, it all works as it should, so my question is why is "passthrough" mode (component in at 720p), RGB passthrough out, not working?

Also, I tried this the other way around. I used the DVI output (actually HDMI to DVI) of the HD Tivo and the component out of the LG STB and I get exactly the same thing. The STB works fine if it outputs 480p, but if I switch it to 720p, I get a "blue screen".

Note that the main reason I am using RGB out instead of DVI out is because of the desire to use this "passthrough" mode for the HD Tivo. I understand I could use DVI out and just set my HD Tivo to output 480p and be done with it but shouldn't I be using the 720p output of the HD Tivo since I am recording high def programs, I am assuming I should be outputting at the max resolution of my device??

Am I doing something wrong or is there a problem with my HD+?

Thanks,

Paul

Are you using a component input or an RGB input on you LG DLP?

Hi Josh,

I am using RGB (DB-15) out from the HD+ and in to the LG DLP set. This set has two modes for RGB, RGB PC and RGB video. I am using RGB video. DB-15s on both ends, not a break out to component or anything.

Paul

Originally posted by pyesnosky
Hi Josh,

I am using RGB (DB-15) out from the HD+ and in to the LG DLP set. This set has two modes for RGB, RGB PC and RGB video. I am using RGB video. DB-15s on both ends, not a break out to component or anything.

Paul

The blue screen may be caused by HDCP. Is there any signal connected to the DVI?

On the HR10-250 I am just going component out to the HD+, nothing is connected to the HDMI port.

On the HD+, I have my LST-4200A STB going DVI out to the DVI input of the HD+. This is just OTA so would HDCP be an issue?

And on the LG DLP set, there is nothing connected to DVI, just RGB in from the HD+.

In any case, I disconnected the STB and still get blue screen on the DLP set when I go from 480p to 720p on the component out of the HR10-250 (into the HD+). By my reading of the manual, when in 480p the HD+ should process the signal and output to RGB at 720p (my output format). This works fine. But, when I switch to 720p, the HD+ should "passthrough" the signal to the RGB with no processing. This is where I get blue screen. Note that if I do "info" when I get a blue screen, it does say the input is "passthrough" but I don't get a picture, just a blue screen.

Still at a loss... Thanks for the suggestion!

Paul

pyesnosky

Did you check to be sure that the HD+ is on the correct input??

Paul,

I read the IScan manual the same way..... it should pass 720/1080 input via component to the analog output. If your LST-4200A has component out and is 720/1080 capable, try to feed the component input on the IScan where your HR10-250 is connected to. Or have you tried the other component input on the IScan?

If all else fails, send an email to HELP@dvdo.com

jimp and whsbuss,

Thanks for your comments. I think I will contact dvdo directly. As an FYI, I did try switching the STB and the HD Tivo and I get the same thing. Correct processing and output when the STB (or HD Tivo depending on setup) is outputting 480p but a blue screen when outputting 720p.

I can tell I am on the correct output because the picture is there with 480p and all I am doing is changing the output mode of the STB or HD Tivo with the front panel buttons. I am not changing the inputs to the HD+ at all and when I do "info" with the blue screen, it does show the correct input.

I really think I am doing everything right so either I have a problem with the HD+ or maybe something is flakey with my LG DLP set??? In any case, it is time to contact DVDO to be sure. Will stop taking up bandwidth on the forum with my problem.

Best regards and happy holidays.

Paul

I am sorry to announce that the iScan HD+ board level upgrade (for iScan HD users) has been delayed. JVB Digital and Home Theatrix should have these boards available for upgrades on December 31st. Please do not call Bas, at JVB, or Jim, at HomeTheatrix, and give them grief for this delay it is not their fault. We thank you for your patience. Happy Holidays!

I will be getting a Pioneer Elite 59avi player in the next week. This player does 480i via HDMI.

Will the current iScan HD+ be able to process a 480i signal from HDMI with a DVI adapter? I know that DVI doesn't support the 480i signal, and I don't think the current iScan HD+ has a HDMI input, correct?

Thanks in advance.

Rob - 480i via DVI is supposed to be coming in the next firmware release if I remember correctly. If I'm wrong, I'm sure Josh will set us straight.