A round-up of HDTV offerings in Tulsa, Oklahoma.

Over-The-Air(OTA)

ABC-KTUL-DT-8.1,8.2,8.3...720p..DD5.1
NBC-KJRH-DT-2.1,2.2,2.3..1080i..DD5.1
CBS-KOTV-DT-6.1,6.2..........1080i.. DD2.0
FOX-KOKI-DT-23.1...........720p..DD5.1
PBS-KOED-DT-11.0, sometimes it's four SD subs, depends on the night..........1080i..DD5.1
UPN-KTFO-DT-41.1...........1080i..DD?

For example, if you tune in KTUL by puching in 10.1, it will revert back to the original analog station call number of 8. Don't let this confuse you. Likewise, you can tune in KOTV by either puching in 55(digital call number) or 06(analog call number).

There are other digital stations available OTA, but none do HD, so they get no place at the table.

COX Cable HDTV in Tulsa

Here's a list of the COX Cable HD channels in Tulsa. I'm also including the locals they offer in HDTV(see edit below)

Here is the new HD lineup for Cox cable in Tulsa, courtesy of user Jimbo Moran.

KOKI HD (FOX) 715
KOTV HD (CBS) 716
KTUL HD (ABC) 718
KJRH HD (NBC) 719
OETA HD (PBS) 713

ESPN HD 720

ESPN2 HD 721

Discovery HD 725

NATGHD 726

A&E HD 727

History HD 728

TNT-HD 729

Universal HD 730

TBS HD 731

iNHD 1 735

MHD 739

Cox HD1 740

HBO HD 750

Showtime HD 755

Starz! HD 760




For more info on receiving HDTV OTA in Tulsa: www.antennaweb.org

For Tulsa HDTV programing info and news: www.hdtvok.com

And obviously, if you want Direct-TV or Dish Network, these are also viable HDTV options in Tulsa.

If there are any mistakes, or info not included, just let me know.:)

I have a MyHD MDP120 HD Tuner card, and although I am receiving adequate signal strength for KOTV in Tulsa, the card does not display an image for this station. All other HD\DTV stations seem to work fine, but KOTV is dead in the water. I have read in another thread another user posting the same problem, but there were no solutions or answers.

Anyone here have any clues why KOTV in Tulsa does not display on a MyHD card?

TIA

I live on the north side of Owasso, North of Tulsa. I am looking at purchasing an internal antenna to attempt to pick up over the air HD signals from Tulsa. I am looking into the Terk TV-55 antenna to facilitate this. Can anyone provide me with their experiences and hopefully successes on receiving the over the air signals. Will I have a problem being in Owasso?

Thanks for the assitance!

http://www.antennaweb.org/aw/welcome.aspx

In reply to:
"I have a MyHD MDP120 HD Tuner card, and although I am receiving adequate signal strength for KOTV in Tulsa, the card does not display an image for this station. All other HD\DTV stations seem to work fine, but KOTV is dead in the water. I have read in another thread another user posting the same problem, but there were no solutions or answers.

Anyone here have any clues why KOTV in Tulsa does not display on a MyHD card?

To schud

I have had the same problem with the MyHD card and KOTV. I have been working on solving this problem. (Actually all credit goes to Cliff Watson).
Seems that we are waiting for gweaver@kotv.com to fix this. Please feel free to call or email him. Here are the details provided by Cliff (and Jeff at KOKI). I have been posting this on hdtvok.com for us Okies!!
Per Cliff

"Mr. Weaver,



Jeff Stuart from KOKI/KTFO provide a sample TS of your station to determine why some computer HDTV tuner card users were not able to properly decode your TS. Below are my findings based on the stream provided.



Best Regards, Cliff



----- Original Message -----

From: Cliff Watson

To: Stuart, Jeff

Cc: Gary

Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 4:51 PM

Subject: Re: Email Error

Jeff,

I guess Concast lied about my mail box having a 250 meg limit. Looks like it is still a 5 meg limit per email.



Anyway I've found some problems with the KOTV TS stream and I believe I know why the MyHD receiver/decoder can't render your stream.



Notice in the attach image that your stream actually has 3 PMTs. I have no idea what the "network" PMT is used for because I've never seen it in any other streams.



Look at the break down of the bit-rates from each PID and you will see that 0x0011 has a bit rate of 24.12 kbps meaning that progran 1 in the PAT/PMT tables does not have any video packets and I'm guessing that PID 0x0014 has no audio encoded either.



Program 2 from the tables does have the audio and video packets (based on bit rate) and is likely why you had to change PIDs to 0x0021 and 0x0024 on the scope. You also have a large amount (~6.5 Mpbs) of NUL packets (0x1fff) in the stream which is a waste of band width and reduces the video quality for HD.



A TS decoder can use one of two methods, 1) Use PAT/PMT tables to locate A/V PIDs or 2) Use the VCT from the PSIP. Notice that this TS only has a VCT for program 2 and none for program 1. Under this condition a STB receiver/decoder using VCT would default to reading program 2 where the actual content is located.



A receiver/decoder based on PAT/PMT would attempt to read the first program which in this case has no content explaining why the MyHD displays a blank screen and no audio. All receivers based on the Janus decoder chip would have the same problem with your stream.



Question: Are you attempting to broadcast two sub-channels from your station? Even if you are I would recommend that you move the primary HD sub channel to program 1 and additional sub channel to program 2.



Hope this helps you get the TS corrected.



Best Regards, Cliff"

Gary

Please see this thread:

http://avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?threadid=455563

New driver and app. I have already loaded it, tested it, and KOTV now works. Please be aware that KOTV comes up as 6-1 and 6-2.. There is a black screen on 6-1 but programming can be found on 6-2. It may not be the most convenient but at least we have CBS back. I have tried some test HD captures and it all works fine.. I just have to remember to set my reservation up on 6-2.

Regards,
Steve

Originally posted by skoone1
Please see this thread:

http://avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?threadid=455563

New driver and app. I have already loaded it, tested it, and KOTV now works. Please be aware that KOTV comes up as 6-1 and 6-2.. There is a black screen on 6-1 but programming can be found on 6-2. It may not be the most convenient but at least we have CBS back. I have tried some test HD captures and it all works fine.. I just have to remember to set my reservation up on 6-2.

Regards,
Steve

Kewl! I'll try it out and advise!

Thanks skoone1!

I can confirm skoone1's comments. With the new MyHD released linked above, I can now receive KOTV's DTV signal on 55-2. I had to auto rescan to find the 55-2 channel. The software also does not read the PSID information correctly (I think that's where the virtual channel ID information is found) so MyHD does not know this is KOTV, and does not know it's virtual chanel 6.

It sure seems to me that KOTV has some things screwed up with their DTV TS stream!

However, I'm glad there's a workaround now!

Gary,

I think Don Dobbs is the Director of Engineering at KOTV. I plan to call him, then send the station manager a letter requesting they correct their defective TS. I agree that if enough of us complain, they may finally be interested in fixing their problem.

David --

I developed the KOTV reception problem as far back as late July. There is something that they did on their end that caused this. Prior to late July, I never had a problem decoding KO's digital signal. I contacted Don in early August by telephone, after two weeks of black level.. I initially thought that they might have had some equipment to go bad and were waiting on replacement parts. To my surprise, there never was anything "wrong" and that's when I got to wondering what really was up with this. I explained to Don what I was using and that reception was great up until a certain point in July. He was generally unhelpful, acted as if he really didn't want to have to deal with this. He wasn't ugly or anything like that, but I think more effort could have been put forth on his part to recognize that there was indeed an issue in his transmission system that needed to be looked at.

Also note that I own a DTC-100 STB.. It too is showing the black level on 55-1 , however, I have always been able to change to 55-2 on it and see KO's programming whereas the MyHD could not.. So it's not just MyHD that is detecting this issue.

Well, whatever needs to be done to get their attention on this matter, let's do it.

Regards,
Steve

I finally got 2 emails from the engineering staff at KOTV. Both Gerald Weaver
(gweaver@kotv.com) and droot@kotv.com said that they will look into the problem. Gerald mentioned that they may have to swap 6-1 and 6-2.
Keep the emails going to these guys!!

OK, I finally got off my butt and emailed the station too. I also copied station manager Regina Moon rmoon@kotv.com.

The following is my email:

Mr. Dobbs:

I emailed the station several weeks ago via the KOTV.com website (HDTV and Satellite inquiries link) regarding problems I am experiencing using a MyHD MDP120 PC based HDTV receiver card. This HDTV receiver card is installed in a custom built multi-media PC, which is driving a $20,000.00 105MHZ bandwidth Ampro 3300 CRT projector, in my dedicated home theater media room. Needless to say, the image quality of this setup is nothing less than spectacular.

Beginning about two or maybe three months ago, I was no longer able to receive KOTV-HD signals via the MyHD card. I receive every other DTV station in the Tulsa market (at least the stations that I care to receive) without any difficulties. I can receive and lock into the KOTV signal, but the picture displays a black screen on 6-1, with no picture. No other DTV station in this market presents the issues that the KOTV signal presents. To reiterate, no other station presents the incompatibility issues with this card that KOTV does.

Further investigation into the nature of this issue on the websites http://www.hdtvok.org/ and the AVS forum http://www.avsforum.com/ has revealed many other Tulsans are experiencing the same KOTV reception issues as well. It turns out that this problem is found not only with the MyHD card, but with RCA and other set top box products as well.

Curiously, it appears to me that previous requests, from other station viewers for help from station engineering, was largely ignored. Specifically, the request to capture and transmit a clip of KOTV's transport stream (TS), for the purpose of allowing a technical representative of the MyHD card's manufacturer was never acknowledged. Thankfully, one of your fellow station engineers at KOKI was kind enough to help out and capture and transmit the TS needed to perform the diagnosis and evaluation of your signal and format.

The following is an excerpt of an email I have found on the AVSForum website, which was posted by another Tulsa viewer, which discusses the TS evaluation provided by Cliff Watson of Digital Connection (the major US distributor of this HDTV card), regarding your TS format problems:

"Anyway I've found some problems with the KOTV TS stream and I believe I know why the MyHD receiver/decoder can't render your stream.

Notice in the attach image that your stream actually has 3 PMTs. I have no idea what the "network" PMT is used for because I've never seen it in any other streams.

Look at the break down of the bit-rates from each PID and you will see that 0x0011 has a bit rate of 24.12 kbps meaning that progran 1 in the PAT/PMT tables does not have any video packets and I'm guessing that PID 0x0014 has no audio encoded either.

Program 2 from the tables does have the audio and video packets (based on bit rate) and is likely why you had to change PIDs to 0x0021 and 0x0024 on the scope. You also have a large amount (~6.5 Mpbs) of NUL packets (0x1fff) in the stream which is a waste of band width and reduces the video quality for HD.

A TS decoder can use one of two methods, 1) Use PAT/PMT tables to locate A/V PIDs or 2) Use the VCT from the PSIP. Notice that this TS only has a VCT for program 2 and none for program 1. Under this condition a STB receiver/decoder using VCT would default to reading program 2 where the actual content is located.

A receiver/decoder based on PAT/PMT would attempt to read the first program which in this case has no content explaining why the MyHD displays a blank screen and no audio. All receivers based on the Janus decoder chip would have the same problem with your stream.

Question: Are you attempting to broadcast two sub-channels from your station? Even if you are I would recommend that you move the primary HD sub channel to program 1 and additional sub channel to program 2."

It is my understanding that KOTV has not acknowledged and has still not provided any resolution to this issue. While I readily admit that I am not a broadcast engineer, I must conclude that your DTV signal is not being broadcasting in its proper format.

Can you please acknowledge my request for assistance, and let me know of your plan to correct this problem? I would think that you would want as many "happy viewers" in the market as possible. At this point, I am very disappointed by KOTV and my perceived lack of response to this troublesome problem.

I would appreciate your prompt response and resolution to this most frustrating issue.

Best Regards,

Just had mine installed yesterday afternoon. Although I had become impatient waiting for the unit to be released in Tulsa it was worth the wait. The dual tuner feature is wonderful. Last night I recorded LAX and Lost while watching a previously recorded episode of Stargate and everything worked as promised.

I was unhappy being required to pay the $49.95 installation fee when I could have done it myself but I was unwillling to wait till they allow self-installation. Being a pioneer has it's price. :)

Any other Tulsans planning on adding the DVR to their system soon?

Good to hear Jimbo.

I'd like to add a DVR, but my girlfriend has instituted a temporary moratorium on electronics purchases. Congrats, and I hope you enjoy!!

So I got an HDTV and a D* sat box (DTC-210) and put up a tripod and a 4ft mast on my roof at 19th and Riverside (19mi from most stations according to antennaweb). I have a building maybe 30yrds from my house blocking my direct line of site to where the stations should be, but aiming my 58” UHF/VHF monster towards Wagoner (109deg) I got the following results.

ABC-KTUL-DT-10.1-10.2...perfect
NBC-KJRH-DT-56.1-56.2..perfect
CBS-KOTV-DT-55.1..........perfect
FOX-KOKI-DT-23.1...........50-50 chance
PBS-KOED-DT-38.1..........none
UPN-KTFO-DT-41.1...........none

I was a bit frustrated by this since I got a larger antenna than was recommended by Antennaweb and TitanTV that I thought would make up for the building blockage.

So at this point at the recommendation of some, I installed a variable attenuator from Radioshack which did nothing but knock out some channels when I turned it up.

My next step was to add a foot to my mast and replace a piece of RG59 cable with better RG6 cable. This killed Fox 23.1 now I was never getting Fox, and I gained PBS 38.1 perfect all the time it broadcast.

Very frustrated now I got a small 13db preamp from Radioshack (thinking my 100ft of cable may be the problem) and once installed I lost all my channels.

Next I figured it may be the diplexer that the D* installer had on my cable I removed them and went antenna only with the little amp and still nothing.

Next even getting more frustrated (with some input from the web), I ran a separate exclusive RG6 run from the cable box where my diplexer had been. After dragging my new cable through the wall to the sat box and plugging it directly into the antenna going up to the antenna, I sealed everything up and searched for channels again. This time I lost ABC! I’m going backwards here!

I was very frustrated last night that I was going to miss the Pokes playing SMU on UPN so I hooked up a UHF loop antenna to the old piece of RG59, stuck it in my window, and got it perfect at 80%.

My last try today I just hooked up a Channel Master 7777 (which I was hoping the FM trap and lower noise would help) which killed all my channels. I took it back off and now am here.

ABC-KTUL-DT-10.1-10.2...none
NBC-KJRH-DT-56.1-56.2..perfect
CBS-KOTV-DT-55.1..........perfect
FOX-KOKI-DT-23.1...........none
PBS-KOED-DT-38.1..........perfect
UPN-KTFO-DT-41.1...........perfect (if I use a loop in the window)
I am very frustrated! I can’t think of too many more things to try. I may buy a 50ft cable and run it straight from the antenna to the TV through a window just to double check my connections.

I find it particularly vexing that a discarded crappy cable and a UHF loop which I have had for years but did not even know what the hell it was (till recently) can pickup any station better than my monstrosity on the roof.

Any input from the experts here would be helpful.

Does anybody know if COX is planning on adding any new HD channels in the Tulsa market. I emailed the question:

Can you tell me if COX is going to add any new HD channels soon?
Here is what they said:
Thank you for your inquiry. Cox is committed to providing the best
customer service possible. Cox is continually exploring new HD
offerings and is working to provide the most robust HD lineup possible.

So they could have just said no, we can't tell you.

Sorry if this is in the wrong forum, but I didn't know where this should belong

-The best answer to your question is that Cox has not yet announced any additional stations for Cox in Tulsa. (or in OKC either).
-At least we are not in OKC's situation, where Cox and Sinclair are in a negotion-stalemate, so that FOX is not carried. (so no Super Bowl).
-My guess is that ESPN2 would be the first added, as it has been widely speculated that the last Cox- ESPN contract dispute covered this, and thus the carriage price would not have to be separately negotiated.
-After that, we have two locals with limited HD that have not been added to Cox yet, KOED-DT (PBS) and KTFO-DT (UPN). KOED-DT is adding facilities which are supposed to be completed by July, which should lead to expanded HD. Hope Cox adds at that time or before. (Look at OETA thread on hdtvok.com site for more information). UPN only has a few HD programs, so I don't think it will be on Cox soon. Local digital WB is not even built yet.
- As to nationals, as said by poster above, Cox in other (limited) markets carries Universal-HD, Starz-HD and Cinemax-HD. But, not in vast majority of Cox systems.
-Whatever our desires, it would seem clear that Cox is much more interested in using availble system resources to add new digital phone service customers, rather than adding HD channels.

I updated the original post to reflect changes such as PBS being remapped to channel 11. If there are any mistakes guys, make sure and post them.:)

I noticed yesterday that i have via cox cable (not digital) the following local HD channels:
80-13 abc

KOKI
KTUL
KJRH

Those three last channels are after channel 116 which is some kind of signal strength monitor but before channel 2 the guide channel.
I don't know what channel numbers they are because my mits 52725 only shows the call letters and program info not channel number.

Thought this was enteresting.

I talked to OETA this morning and all of the OETA DTV stations are now running at full power. They have also expanded the hours that they are on the air. All of the OETA DTV stations broadcast from 6AM - Midnight (same as their analog hours) 7 days a week. They pass through whatever PBS sends them whether it is one HD channel or 4 SD channels; OETA has no control over this and they cannot insert their own local programming yet. They are also still in a test mode so they cannot publish a guide. I know some of you see guide data in your DirecTV guides for OETA stations but that is Tribune Media Services creating this one their own; it is not coming from OETA.

It looks like new Master Controls will be finished in June, so it looks like OETA DTV channels could appear on Cox cable systems as early as July but don't hold your breath.

Thanks for the info Kevin.

I've noticed that we've been getting the four SD channels more often than we used to lately. Maybe it's just my imagination. This last Sunday, Monday, and Tuesday were all four SD sub nights in Tulsa.:(

Wanted to poke my head in here and say that I'm currently getting the Cox HD DVR. I'm loving it.

One of these days us Tulsans should get together. I'm trying to eventually form a page to start with so PM here if you want. I know I've talked to Jimbo and Woodrow.

Was a little dissapointed that ABC didn't have their HD working last Wednesday. Someone posted that KTUL wasn't in HD ota so I assume that is the reason why I'm not getting HD that night either.

I wonder if CBS ever plans to offer DD 5.1.

As far as I know, our local CBS is capable of DD5.1 The problem is CBS rarely does DD5.1. Anyone confirm?

BTW guys, there's some info at HDTVOK about our local ABC-KTUL making some changes. Might want to check it out.

KTUL
8-1 HD programming
8-2 Radar
8-3 SD programming (NTSC simulcast)

Info courtesy of HDTVOK.com

KOTV in Tulsa and KWTV in OKC cannot pass through Dolby Digital 5.1 yet. They do not have the equipment.

Originally posted by HiDefSooner
KOTV in Tulsa and KWTV in OKC cannot pass through Dolby Digital 5.1 yet. They do not have the equipment.
Thanks Kevin. I'll edit the first post.

Originally posted by Shane Martin
Wanted to poke my head in here and say that I'm currently getting the Cox HD DVR. I'm loving it.

One of these days us Tulsans should get together. I'm trying to eventually form a page to start with so PM here if you want. I know I've talked to Jimbo and Woodrow.

Was a little dissapointed that ABC didn't have their HD working last Wednesday. Someone posted that KTUL wasn't in HD ota so I assume that is the reason why I'm not getting HD that night either.

I wonder if CBS ever plans to offer DD 5.1.

I'm in for the Tulsa meet.:)

If you guys notice Tulsans posting somewhere make sure and PM them and let them know about this thread and the meet. I'll do the same.

I talked to the ABC engineer via Email about some of the issues as of late on ABC. Hopefully he'll whip them into shape.

Issues I've noticed:

Minority Report last Saturday dropped HD after the first commercial. It was back on later.

ALias not in HD but in HD in other markets. Obviously a screwup based on the Minority Report issue.

I also heard that abc dropped out of HD last night during our the blind cop drama.

Originally posted by Shane Martin
I talked to the ABC engineer via Email about some of the issues as of late on ABC. Hopefully he'll whip them into shape.

Issues I've noticed:

Minority Report last Saturday dropped HD after the first commercial. It was back on later.

ALias not in HD but in HD in other markets. Obviously a screwup based on the Minority Report issue.

I also heard that abc dropped out of HD last night during our the blind cop drama.
I don't know what the deal has been lately. Did he elaborate on what the issue has been, Shane?

I can confirm though that we missed out on most of Minority Report.

Maybe I should drop KTUL engineering a line as well. Maybe they aren't getting enough complaints. I used to do it all the time, but nowadays I just seem to turn the channel when KTUL is not in HD.

He was very responsive and pretty much put the whole ordeal on the master control and they are going to switch out some equipment there.

He also mentioned a satellite decoder issue for Alias.

Right now I'm watching Lost and it looks lovely in HD via Cox.

I've got the guy's email so if you want it. Send me a PM.

Thanks for the info Shane. I agree about the engineer for KTUL. He's first class. A little over a year ago I noticed a very slight jitter to the KTUL picture. He said he'd check it out that night and let me know. Well, he actually called ME from his home that evening and let me know he saw the jitter and was on the case. Great guy for sure. The jitter is just a bad memory now.:)

Now if we could only convince channel 6 KOTV to get 5.1...

Originally posted by Shane Martin

I also heard that abc dropped out of HD last night during our the blind cop drama.

Blind Justice? It happened again this week but just for a few seconds then back to HD. I'm actually getting into that show. Dandruff shampoo! DOH!

has everybody seen this already?
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=504508&perpage=20&pagenumber=1

BTW, I live in Bville, about 60-70 miles away from the towers (aren't they in Coweta) and I am getting every OTA channel that Tulsa offers. I have a 162" Radio Shack antenna in my attic, along with a 60 watt amp. I am currently only using the built in tuner in my Mits Diamond 65. They don't offer COX in Bville.

Anyone here know if COX in Tulsa has plans to add VOD anytime soon? I've been reading some posts from other posters on this feature and am becoming interested (as long as they aren't charging $6 a pop like in some areas)?

Jimbo,
I think its coming but I bet their focus right now is on the telephone service. They do have it in OKC. It looks like its free if you already have HBo or Cinemax.

They don't offer COX in Bville
It looked to me(if their site is right..) that they have a good selection of HD channels(better than Tulsa in fact..if it's accurate.

Thanks for the info Shane, personally I couldn't care less about their telephone service. I went ahead and called Cox yeserday and the CS rep had no idea of any projected timeframe for VOD other than it will happen someday.

Looked like another issue with HD and Blind Justice last night. Maybe they should hire some of our(the company I work for)'s on air operators.

Am trying to watch LOST this evening, no video on the COX HD channel nor OTA on digital 10.2. ANyone else?

Not only did I not get any HD for Lost on ABC, Fox seems to be broadcasting American Idol in SD aslo. Surely all this can't be due to their weather coverage? The sound is not even surround which is bad for a karaoke show.

No HD at all on ABC for me last night. No Lost, No Alias.

Not too happy.

Originally posted by Shane Martin
No HD at all on ABC for me last night. No Lost, No Alias.

Not too happy.

DITTO!!

Any of you guys called KTUL lately? I've been too busy(lazy;))?

It seems that as of late, no HD from KTUL is the norm.:(

If I had their number I'd call them Woodrow.

Here you go Jimbo. You can call, fax, or email them.
http://www.ktul.com/contact.hrb

Thanks pbmax542,

I've e-mailed them till I'm blue in the face and have never seen a single response. I'll try calling them next time.

Does anyone know the Cox HD-DVR options if there are any? Do they offer the SA-8300HD yet? (I am trying to help set up my Dad and brother remotely from KC).

Originally posted by kcsooner
Does anyone know the Cox HD-DVR options if there are any? Do they offer the SA-8300HD yet? (I am trying to help set up my Dad and brother remotely from KC).

Which city? The OKC and Tulsa areas have completely different DVR's.

Has anyone been having any problems with Fox 23 in Tulsa lately? I live in Skiatook, and for the past year or so, the signal from KOKI has been great. Very few if any dropouts. In the last week or so, I haven't been able to pull in any of the digital signals without significant breakups. The signal strength will go from 80 down to 30. This makes it unwatchable. Has anything changed in their setup? I haven't changed anything on my side. All of the other Tulsa stations come in fine.

Thanks for all advice.

Is this OTA or Sat signal BGK? I noticed the trees are blooming now, that could cause some reception problems. As far as my signal in South Tulsa it is just fine.

This is OTA. I can't get any Tulsa HD locals on Satellite. I have noticed that even my analog signal for Fox 23 has been weaker on some of the other TVs in the house. I guess it could be the trees, but I had it hooked up last summer and was receiving it just fine. Hopefully it will stabilize itself soon.

Thanks for the reply.

My cox version of KoKI has been great.
Which city? The OKC and Tulsa areas have completely different DVR's.
Yep Cox Tulsa has the Motorola 6412 Solution and OKC has the SA8300 solution.

Contacts for Tulsa guys I have as far as the stations go like this:

Cox KOTV Engineering Gerald Weaver gweaver@kotv.com
David Shaffer Engineer KTUL dshaffer@ktul.com

Pretty fast reponses here. Perhaps they saw where I work :)

Originally posted by Jimbo Moran
Which city? The OKC and Tulsa areas have completely different DVR's.

Both are in Tulsa

Originally posted by kcsooner
Both are in Tulsa

Then like Shane said they will get a Motorola DCT-6412 for their DVR. Are you familiar with this unit?

Not really familiar with the DCT-6412, but I walked my Dad through configuring the box last weekend. It didn't seem to accept the 720p output option so I had him set it to 1080i (He has a native 720p DLP unit). He is also having a problem with it randomly not recording a daily scheduled program (My Mom's soap opera). I will probably be helping by brother next weekend. It is obviously difficult to work over the phone, but is anyone else familiar with these problems?

KC,

I am reluctant to suggest this because there are over 1500 posts in the pertinent thread but it will answer all your questions.

Cox DCT-6412 Thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=414680)

My Fox 23 and UPN have both gotten really bad for dropouts lately (21st & Riverside). Mine also varies from zero to 80% on my meter. I set up my antenna in November, so it is possible that the leaves could be the culprit. Does anyone know if Fox or UPN will be increasing their power any when the FCC full power mandate kicks in July?

Woodrow,
Cox Tulsa is adding Starz HD and Universal HD to their lineup June 2nd.

Update the list!

BTW there is a get together trying to be planned for June 11th. Look in the Area Meet section!

Thanks Shane for the info and I updated the first post.

Do you know the channel #'s yet?

BTW, I'm OTA only and it might serve the thread , and fellow Tulsans, if one of you guys with multiple HD sources in Tulsa took over this thread. It's not that I don't enjoy doing it but I just think the "AVS" Tulsa thread should be first rate, and I don't think it can be with someone running it who's OTA only. I mean, it's hard to post stuff I can't verify myself. Most of you are the only ones who can really do that fully in regards to who, and what's on, and available. If anyone is interested, just post here..:)

Thanks again Shane,

Chris,
Univ-HD on 730 & Starz-HD on 760

Thanks Shane, it's updated.:)

No thread takers yet???:D

Chris,
Univ-HD on 730 & Starz-HD on 760

Heh, heh, only 1 more day till UHD arrives. I am primed and ready to watch Battlestar Gallactica in Hi-Def!

Sweet!! Woke up this morning to 12 total HD channels. I did freak out at first when I couldn't find the SCI-FI channel at 245 as before, when I found it was just moved to 175 and not discontinued I felt much better. :)

Universal HD looks like a really weak channel. I mean that both in terms of signal strength, and content. But I've got some old coax I need to replace before complaining to the cable company about it.

PQ is pretty decent on Universal HD but no 5.1 and their content is just ok. Certainly not even as good as even InHD which is something..

It will be nice come Olympics time though.

I don't have any signal issues at all. I had all of my wiring replaced during the initial install with new RG6 by the Cox guy. Spent $100 for install but got my money's worth.

I like Century City and Mister Sterling as well as having Battlestar Gallactica in HD as well. I agree Shane if the Olympics are available in real-time in HD it will be well worth it.

Hey guys, I was wanting to know what anyone in the tulsa area is using to get their local OTA channels. I live in broken arrow and I have tried 3 different antennas and I can't pick up KTUL 8.1. I can get all the other major networks like CBS, NBC, FOX. I really want to pick up KTUL especially before football season starts. Is anyone using an indoor antenna? I would really like to use and indoor, as I don't really want to put a big antenna on my roof. I looked an antennaweb and it said the farthest tower from me is 12.1 miles away. You would think I would be able to pick up KTUL. Can someone recommend me an antenna please? Thanks.

Make sure you have a vhf antenna as ktul is the only station using vhf all the other stations are uhf. I have a very small outdoor antenna from Radioshack just sitting in the attic across the rafters, in south BA.

I live at 81st and 129th and use the Zenith Silver Sensor. I'm able to get KTUL as well with it. It claims its UHF only, but it gets KTUL(VHF) anyway.:)

I have it attic mounted in a two story house and get all stations with zero reception problems. It just takes patience to find the antennas sweet spot for receiving all channels without having to move it.

Just a bump to see if any info needs updating.

Cox cable especially...

You can post it or PM me.

Thanks,

Chris,

Here is the new HD lineup for Cox cable in Tulsa:

KOKI HD (FOX) 715
KOTV HD (CBS) 716
KTUL HD (ABC) 718
KJRH HD (NBC) 719
ESPN HD 720
Discovery HD 725
Universal HD 730
iNHD 1 735
iNHD 2 736
HBO HD 750
Showtime HD 755
Starz! HD 760

Ok, Jim, I got it updated.

Thanks a bunch for the info.:)

So anyone have a pic of the backside of the cox HD-DVR?
Or can tell me what connections are on it.

So anyone have a pic of the backside of the cox HD-DVR?
Or can tell me what connections are on it.

You can go here (http://broadband.motorola.com/dvr/dct6412.asp) and see the online pics. Everyone I know of here has the Phase II so it will have a DVI output, component, composite, firewire and S-Video outputs active. I don't know of any Phase III boxes here yet with the HDMI output but that doesn't mean there aren't any.

You can go here and see the online pics. Everyone I know of here has the Phase II so it will have a DVI output, component, composite, firewire and S-Video outputs active. I don't know of any Phase III boxes here yet with the HDMI output but that doesn't mean there aren't any.


Thanks. I pick up my receiver tomorrow. I hope maybe they have the phase III.
This is my setup so far:
Panasonic 42PX50U Plasma
Integra 5.5 receiver
Needing new speakers(Any suggestions?)
I am currently running a Direct tv tivo receiver(changes tomorrow)

Thanks. I pick up my receiver tomorrow. I hope maybe they have the phase III.
This is my setup so far:
Panasonic 42PX50U Plasma
Integra 5.5 receiver
Needing new speakers(Any suggestions?)
I am currently running a Direct tv tivo receiver(changes tomorrow)

OK now, I'm dying to know. Did you get your 6412 today and is it a phase III box?

OK now, I'm dying to know. Did you get your 6412 today and is it a phase III box?


Yes I got my box today. It says DTC6400 Phase III on the manual.
But does not have an HDMI output. I guess it's not a 6412.

Yes I got my box today. It says DTC6400 Phase III on the manual.
But does not have an HDMI output. I guess it's not a 6412.

If it is an HD DVR it is a 6412, if you just asked for an HD box it would be a 6400. My question is did you subscribe to the DVR service as well or just for high def?

If it is an HD DVR it is a 6412, if you just asked for an HD box it would be a 6400. My question is did you subscribe to the DVR service as well or just for high def?


It's DVR as well. Maybe it just had the Phase III instructions and not really a Phase III

I got my COX 6412 last week. It has HDMI output, and says 6412 III on the front faceplate.

It's on the right hand side, under the smartcard slot.

The HDMI output is located on the rear panel, just to the right of the component output.

So Chris, How did you talk your GF into subscribing to cable? I hope the bribe wasn't too expensive. :)

So Chris, How did you talk your GF into subscribing to cable? I hope the bribe wasn't too expensive. :)
Jim,

No bribe needed. She moved out awhile back.:)

At that point, my only issue was deciding between Dish, Direct or cable. I went cable because the install seemed like it would be quicker and easier. He was only here maybe 20 minutes. I had to stay on him like stink on crap to keep him from plugging stuff in to the wrong inputs, etc.

BTW, the intaller informed me that PBS does not do HDTV, and that is why COX does not carry them.:D

well guys spent the night getting local HD 101....enjoyed it greatly. Are there other Tulsa HD centered threads. Have a few questions but not sure if this is place for general HD questions (DVD, CABLES)....but you guys seem cool and I always like the idea of getting to know local people who are willing to put out an endless stream of emails and phone calls to stations inorder to recieve the picture we so right deserve


jay

Welcome to the forum Jay. Feel free to ask any questions here and if needed someone will direct you to another forum where you might get the answers you need if they are not totally related to the local Tulsa forum.

Jay,
Another option is HDTVOK.com

What is the deal with KTUL 8.1, just like the poster above I have tried three different antennas and still can't get it, yet all the others come in perfectly. I'm going to try the antenna that wraps around my satellite dish tonight and see if that works.

What is the deal with KTUL 8.1, just like the poster above I have tried three different antennas and still can't get it, yet all the others come in perfectly. I'm going to try the antenna that wraps around my satellite dish tonight and see if that works.
KTUL 8.1 does seem to be weak for me as well, I live in Broken Arrow and sometimes it doesn't come in, but since I am primarily COX, i don't use the antenna very often, mostly just to get PBS.

It is also the most difficult one for me to tune in as well, however I am always able to do so with a minor antenna positioning adjustment.

Make sure your antennae is VHF. ABC is odd that way.

I installed my Terk TV44 on my DirecTV dish the other day and now we get all the HD majors in the area with great signal. Now bring on Lost!

Anyone else had problems with the audio on ABC the past few nights, its beem pop city. My reciever keeps on switching from "digital" to "pro logic". With the audio on my TV it pops too. I'm getting 92% signal strength.

Mine has been just fine Giga.

I'm moving to Owasso in about 3 weeks and was wondering about the HD-DVR box that Cox supplies. Mainly interested in it's functionality. Currently I have the HD-Tivo through D* but unfortunately the house I'm moving into only has 1 RG6 cable to the outlet and there is no way for me to run another one. So unless I give up the 2 tuner functionality it's a no go. I suppose I could use 1 input strictly for satellite and 1 tuner strictly for OTA but the majority of the time I seem to watch local channels so unless I'm able to split out the OTA feed into 2 after the dipole it will be limited.

What I would like to know is how much HD content can the DVR hold and does it have dual tuner capability like the D* box. Also if I went the other route what are my chances of picking up the all the OTA channels in the attic in Owasso. HOA convenant restricts anything but a dish on the roof


Thanks

SerhC,

I don't know much about your Tivo but the Cox supplied DCT-6412 is a dual tuner unit. You can record two channels and watch a third that has been prerecorded. As far as how much HD it will hold that varies depending on if you are recording 720p or 1080i. I would say 12 to 18 hours is the max on average of HD programming.

To see what digital channels you can pick up in Owasso go to www.antennaweb.org and insert your zipcode.

I'm moving to Owasso in about 3 weeks and was wondering about the HD-DVR box that Cox supplies. Mainly interested in it's functionality. Currently I have the HD-Tivo through D* but unfortunately the house I'm moving into only has 1 RG6 cable to the outlet and there is no way for me to run another one. So unless I give up the 2 tuner functionality it's a no go. I suppose I could use 1 input strictly for satellite and 1 tuner strictly for OTA but the majority of the time I seem to watch local channels so unless I'm able to split out the OTA feed into 2 after the dipole it will be limited.

What I would like to know is how much HD content can the DVR hold and does it have dual tuner capability like the D* box. Also if I went the other route what are my chances of picking up the all the OTA channels in the attic in Owasso. HOA convenant restricts anything but a dish on the roof


Thanks


I live in Owasso and can pick up everything but the WB in HD (or I should say DTV) with my Rabbit Ears on top of the entertainment center. So I'd guess an attic antenna should work great.

BTW- can anyone pick up a DTV WB station in the Tulsa area? Is it coming out of Muskogee?


=MATT=

FYI- Cox CSR states memo confirms MTV service added at channel 739 on Mon, 1/16.

FYI- Cox CSR states memo confirms MTV service added at channel 739 on Mon, 1/16.

Thanks for the info, I'm not much into MTV these days but more HD is always a good thing.

There are several HD channels I would prefer over MTVHD

Ditto but I'm not complaining..

Channel just launched some 8 minutes ago.

I'm in Cox Fairfax, no new channels in my interactive guide... I guess I didn't get it. :(

I added MHD to the first post guys.:)

Woohoo!!

Regarding other channels we would like, but have not yet been added, I did a review of Cox's other systems and was suprised to find that 77% of their systems' channel lineups show PBS-HD, while 57% of their systems have TNT-HD. Each of us should make our wishes known to our local system to add these 2 channels, assuming you also want them.

See:

St City------------- TNT PBS
AR Fort Smith------- xxx 700
AZ Phoenix--------- 725 708
AZ Tucson---------- 725 706
CA Bakersfield------- 722 xxx
CA Orange County-- 718 710
CA Palos Verdes----- 718 xxx
CA San Diego------- 734 711
CA Santa Barbara--- 722 xxx
CT New England---- 714 703
FL Gainesville--------707 720
FL Gulf Coast------- xxx 709
GA Middle Georgia---716 xxx
ID Sun Valley------- xxx 700
KS Wichita---------- xxx 607
LA Greater La.-------xxx 700
LA Baton Rouge-----728 712
LA New Orleans-----725 712
NC North Carolina--- xxx 715
NV Las Vegas--------709 731
OH Cleveland------- 709 702
RI New England-----xxx 703
TX West Texas----- xxx 704
TX Greater Texas----xxx 700
VA Fairfax---------- 714 726
VA Fredericksburg-- xxx 726
VA Hampton Roads--766 715
VA Roanoke-------714 704


(6 systems have neither, including OKC and Tulsa).

thall85,

Any suggestion on the best manner with which to convey our wishes to Cox?

I think I will try and stop by in-person, next time I'm near 51st and Garnett, to speak with a management rep re their HD programming. Absent an in-person visit, I would think that telephone calls to the CSR's from several of us would be the next best method, asking specifically that the information be flagged for relay to management.

I plan on emphasizing that I am evaluating the amount and type of HD programming available for the upcoming year, to determine if I will stay with Cox or switch to D* or E*. Cox sees HD (& the HD PVR) first as a tool to entice DBS users to switch to Cox and second to reduce churn. I plan to emphasize the total services I use and pay for (digital cable, telephone and Internet), which I expect is proportionately higher than the average non-HD user. I would expect most HD users are in this same vein. Of course I don't have the exact #s for all Tulsa HD users, but I think the best point is simply an economic one. We will vote with our feet, if additional HD programming is not added to the system, to our satisfaction.

This article indicates that some additional channel(s) will be added in 2006, probably ESPN2HD: http://www.cableworld.com/cgi/cw/show_mag.cgi?pub=cw&mon=010906&file=bigpicture.htm

Good plan you have there, I'll do the same. Perhaps if enough of us explain our alternatives it will bear fruit.

Hey everybody! I'm a new member here at AVS, although I've been a frequent poster over on HTF and HTT.

I've been a DISH Network subscriber and have had a HDTV-ready TV for several years, but have never upgraded to HDTV becuase of equipment costs.

Anyway, I'm getting ready to pull the trigger on an OTA tuner so I can receive at least the local broadcasts in HD, and have a few questions:

1. I live in Midtown Tulsa (near 41st and Harvard) and was wondering what the best antenna to get for this location. An indoor powered antenna? One of those ones that wraps around my DISH receiver? The antenna site says small multi-directional for all of the stations, except for KTUL (because it's VHF I guess); but I was wondering if anyone has any real-world experience for recommendations.

2. I noticed at the start of this thread that both Fox and ABC are broadcasting in 720p. I have one of the older Panasonic RPTVs that will not do 720p... it does 1080i only. Will my OTA receiver convert 720p to 1080i so that I can see those broadcasts, or am I just out of luck?

3. Any recommendations on a OTA receiver?

Thanks everyone!

Jeff P,

Hope you enjoy the HD programming. I find sports, music concerts and nature/ science programs to best show off the difference between SD & HD. I think the standard advice on an OTA antenna is to start with the indoor Silver Sensor to see if it is sufficient, available for around $40 from Sears and others. As for an ATSC box, both Sam's and Walmart carry boxes for under $200. Of course the modern E* and D* HD boxes will all do OTA too.

All of your questions are treated exhaustively one forum over, in the HDTV Reception Hardware Forum. ( http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=25 ) There are stickys at the top of the page for each of your questions: one for Antennas, one for STBs and one for OTA FAQs.

You might also consider Cox, if you want to continue paying a service provider. Cox rents its HD DVR STB for $10 per month. This includes HD programming from the 3 local stations, plus additional channels: ESPNHD, Discovery HD, Universal HD, INHD, INHD2 & MHD (new this week from MTV).

Hope this helps.

Thanks for the reply, thal.

Yesterday I found a combo UHF/VHF antenna at RadioShack that I'm going to try out first, mounted in my attic.

You might also consider Cox, if you want to continue paying a service provider. Cox rents its HD DVR STB for $10 per month. This includes HD programming from the 3 local stations, plus additional channels: ESPNHD, Discovery HD, Universal HD, INHD, INHD2 & MHD (new this week from MTV).

I have a grievance with Cox. ;) I had a really bad experience with them several years ago and vowed NEVER to return. I have Dish Network now, and am quite happy with it -- price and service wise.

My only issue with them is that I need to buy a new box if I want HDTV support.

Since most of HD watching would be on prime time TV and live sports, I can get most of that via OTA. (ESPN notwithstanding)

2. I noticed at the start of this thread that both Fox and ABC are broadcasting in 720p. I have one of the older Panasonic RPTVs that will not do 720p... it does 1080i only. Will my OTA receiver convert 720p to 1080i so that I can see those broadcasts, or am I just out of luck?

OTA box should convert to 1080I. My TV is the same way.

Has anyone who uses cox tried connecting your hdvr box via HDMI instead of component, and did you see much of a difference?

Being relatively new the AV sceen: if this does in fact make a difference at all, would it make a difference with all stations or only HD stations?

Put me on the list of those who will be pushing for TNT and ESPN2....does anyone have a favorite person over at COX with whom relaying future station expectations/ and wishes is beneficial?

jay

I have the series II STB with DVI out. I can tell no difference between the DVI compared to a component connection.

OK, so I got my set-top box today (Samsung T451) and everything is great except for one thing... I can't get KJRH at all...

This is confusing to me, becuase I'm getting everything else that I want (basically the major networks and PBS) just fine. I'm confused as to what this could be since all of the stations seem to be broadcasting from approximatly the same location.

Furthermore, if I was going to have any problems receiving any of the stations, I would think that it would be KTUL, since it is VHF, farther away and at a bit different angle.

For my antenna, I have a combo UHF/VHF antenna from RadioShack mounted in the attic that is supposed to have a ~50 mile range for VHF and ~70 mile range for UHF. It is pointed at approximately 110 degrees. I figured that was plenty antenna, considering my angle and distance for each station, which is listed below:

KTFO-DT - 106 degrees - 15.4 miles (Strong signal, perfect reception)
KOED-DT - 107 degrees - 15.7 miles (Strong signal, perfect reception)
KOKI-DT - 106 degrees - 15.4 miles (Strong signal, perfect reception)
KOTV-DT - 107 degrees - 15.7 miles (Strong signal, perfect reception)
KWHB-DT - 107 degrees - 15.7 miles (Strong signal, perfect reception)
KTUL-DT - 113 degrees - 20.3 miles (Strong signal, perfect reception)
KJRH-DT - 107 degrees - 15.7 miles (NOTHING)

Any thoughts or suggestions?

I live farther than you do from the towers, but I am having a similar problem. I can receive all of the Tulsa locals + PBS just fine, except KJRH-DT. It used to come in fine, but recently, the signal is very sporadic. I have major drop offs, and the signal strength goes from 80s down to 0 and then back up. It sounds like multipath problems, but I would have thought I would have the problem on other channels also. I am wondering if KJRH has changed their signal strength recently or something.

UPDATE --

It's working now. When I originally scanned, it must have just been in one of those intermittant times when the signal was weak, because I re-scanned about 90 minutes after I posted this, and now it's fine... coming in at full signal strength.

Weird...

Oh well... at least I have it now. ;)

OK, so I got my set-top box today (Samsung T451) and everything is great except for one thing... I can't get KJRH at all...

This is confusing to me, becuase I'm getting everything else that I want (basically the major networks and PBS) just fine. I'm confused as to what this could be since all of the stations seem to be broadcasting from approximatly the same location.

Furthermore, if I was going to have any problems receiving any of the stations, I would think that it would be KTUL, since it is VHF, farther away and at a bit different angle.

For my antenna, I have a combo UHF/VHF antenna from RadioShack mounted in the attic that is supposed to have a ~50 mile range for VHF and ~70 mile range for UHF. It is pointed at approximately 110 degrees. I figured that was plenty antenna, considering my angle and distance for each station, which is listed below:

KTFO-DT - 106 degrees - 15.4 miles (Strong signal, perfect reception)
KOED-DT - 107 degrees - 15.7 miles (Strong signal, perfect reception)
KOKI-DT - 106 degrees - 15.4 miles (Strong signal, perfect reception)
KOTV-DT - 107 degrees - 15.7 miles (Strong signal, perfect reception)
KWHB-DT - 107 degrees - 15.7 miles (Strong signal, perfect reception)
KTUL-DT - 113 degrees - 20.3 miles (Strong signal, perfect reception)
KJRH-DT - 107 degrees - 15.7 miles (NOTHING)

Any thoughts or suggestions?


I used to have this problem on my older hughes e86 receiver. I had to enter 56.1 ( the actual digital channel number) to get KJRH then it would go back to 2.1. I have not had it happen on the newer receiver I just got.

We have Cox HD/DVR service on 1 TV and digital on the 2nd TV. When talking to cox when we got the HD/DVR a few weeks ago they said there would be no problem having 2 HD/DVR boxes. Well yesterday we went to get the 2nd and the lady at the counter said they are only giving 1 per house. Anyone ran into this problem? She said 2 to 5 months before they could give 2 out.

The TV we wanted to put the 2nd HD/DVR on has a built in tuner but doesn't seem to be getting the local HD channels over the digital cable box, just a black pic with sound. The ESPN HD and stuff like that however says subscription service needed. Is the black pic and audio normal? Is an antenna the only way to get the locals.

Noodlez,

First, welcome to the forum. Now I got the same story from COX about the two DVR's. I signed up during the first week that they were available in Tulsa and they still won't issue me another DCT-6412 so good luck with that.

Now you need to tell us which built in tuner your display has. An ATSC tuner will allow you to receive OTA digital and HD programming. You need an internal QAM tuner to decode the in the clear HD programming from your cable connection. What is the make and model number of the 2nd display?

Thanks, The 2nd one is a Samsung TX-R3079WH, Has a ATSC tuner, So I guess that only leaves the option of a antenna?

Update I was able to get cox to give me just a HD box minus the DVR, And they said again that in a few months 2 DVR's per house would happen so here is hopeing.

Quick Question about Cox HD. I have the 6412 and I get choppyness on the HD channels. It is worse on channel 716, but I see it at times on the others. I've called Cox and they had be unplug the 6412 (as usual) and that obviously didn't do anything.

The cable comes in the house and is split once. 1 Line goes to the 6412 directly and the other goes to a 8 port Electroline Splitter/Amp. I will be trying it with only one line directly to the 6412.

Is there anything I can check for the signal strength under the diag menu (cable-power-select-select)?

Hey there toy4x4 we may have met, I work at a Toyota dealership. To answer your question there is a way to check signal strength on a per channel basis in the 6412's internal menu. First tune to the channel you want to measure then go into the menu as you described. I forget which of the selections to check but it will be pretty obvious once you are in there. The info provided is signal strength and AGC levels in Db as well as good, fair and poor. This should give you some ideas as to if the signal coming into your home is too low or not. There is a great deal of additional information on the 6412 with Passport software in the HD Recorders forum.


If your problem was on Monday night while recording Las Vegas I had the same trouble that evening as well, it was horrible.

Any word on the WB/UPN merger??
I'm wondering which channel they will use, 19 or 41.
41 would solve a lot of problems for me, I've never had good reception on 19.

My problem is I live in Oneta & can see all the towers, I'm just in the middle of them!!
23 & 41 is just 2 miles from me to the ENE, 11, 6 & 2 are right next to them, 8 is just south of due east but 19 is just west of due South.
So when I can get all the other channels 19 is to the rear of the antenna so if I watch it I just watch it on the DirecTV local channels since it's not in HD anyway.

Tulsa has more HD than OKC I think ? How many do you have now.....I'm in n.w. Ok but not all have gone to high power yet......

Tulsa has more HD than OKC I think ? How many do you have now.....I'm in n.w. Ok but not all have gone to high power yet......
These may not be all the HD channels in Tulsa but these are what I'm set up to receive right now.
2.1 KJRH/NBC
2.2 Weather
6.1 KOTV/CBS
6.2 Weather
8.1 KTUL/ABC
8.2 Weather now 24/7 (KTUL)
8.3 KTUL/ABC SD
11.1 KOED/PBS
11.2 KOED/PBS
11.3 KOED/PBS
11.4 KOED/PBS
23.1 KOKI/FOX
41.1 KTFO/UPN
44.1 i
44.2 PAX
44.3 Worship
44.4 FaithTV
47.1 KWHB
53.1 KGEB

WB 19 is the only national channel that hasn't gone HD, but since they are just about history they never will till they merge with UPN.

I'm assuming everyone in the Tulsa area had ABC in lo-def tonight. Someone please tell me this isn't normal. Oh and lets not mention that CBS has had that darn scrolling screen on the whole weekend dropping them into low-def all weekend! So I will just assume that this everytime a thunderstorm rolls through this happens as well?

Any chance this doesn't happen tuning in the terrestial broadcast vs. Cox Digitial.

I have been disapointed by the weather and closeing alarts killing the HD also, you would think they wouldn't mess with the HD as anyone getting HD has the weather sub station or some SD counterpart.

I'm assuming everyone in the Tulsa area had ABC in lo-def tonight. Someone please tell me this isn't normal. Oh and lets not mention that CBS has had that darn scrolling screen on the whole weekend dropping them into low-def all weekend! So I will just assume that this everytime a thunderstorm rolls through this happens as well?

Any chance this doesn't happen tuning in the terrestial broadcast vs. Cox Digitial.

COX gets their transmission directly from the station so to answer your final question, no. We have the most egotistical weathermen in the country. Often a storm is in OKC, not heading to Tulsa and they break off normal programming just in case you were considering taking a late night drive to OKC.

Well around here the weather is important, I've been in a couple of tornados & want to be informed but you'd think they would be able to have the weather warnings & keep the Hi Def signal!!

Well around here the weather is important, I've been in a couple of tornados & want to be informed but you'd think they would be able to have the weather warnings & keep the Hi Def signal!!

So have I but I didn't need a television to tell me I was in a tornado. :)

Anyone have a Triple LNB dish for DirectTv they want to get rid of?

Here is my dilemma:

I live in Sallisaw, approximately 75 SE of Tulsa near the Arkansas border. The local cable provider that has been here for years is Cebridge, out of Tyler, TX.

Well, they still have motorola boxes without even S-video, much less component, hdmi, and digital audio. The local installers insist that the "yellow cable" is your best bet for a quality HDTV signal. (They don't even offer HDTV to us).

The satellite option is a no-go, unless I try for OTA local channels, because Sallisaw is in the Ft. Smith, Arkansas DMA and thus Dish or DirecTV can only offer Arkansas channels. (I investigated the waiver process and nobody was optimistic)

Finally, our City Officials of all people got a grand idea. They invested in a wholly fiber optic system, offered to residents, that would carry a signal for TV, phone, and internet.

So, I have an HD box, with HDMI to my Sony KDF-60xs955 and I get some good HD channels, and all of the local channels I want except the Tulsa Fox channel (some contract problem).

Also, they've done a neat thing by offering some of the local stations' digital broadcast on alternate channels, so I get ABC and CBS digital - and HD!

I would really like to pick up any and all other Digital/HD broadcasts possible. I ran a check on antennaweb, and I admit I'm confused - it only listed 2 digital channels available to me - both out of Arkansas.

Considering my location, could I receive channels such as Fox out of Tulsa OTA in HD? What would you guys suggest, equipment-wise, for me to be able to do this?

Thanks in advance for your help.

I've had a Sony HD-300 for 18 months or so. Recently, the OTA tuner started messing up, and I could only get NBC and CBS in HD.

Yesterday I received a Sony HDG-HDD500, and moved my OTA connection to it. It also has a cable connection that will get QAM HD signals from Cox.

last night I was watching the Olympics on it via cable hoping to avoid any dropouts, and I noticed the sound was horrible. I flipped to the OTA channel, and my receiver started pumping out the volume in DD 5.1. I turned back to the cable broadcast, and it was DD 2.0.

Is that always the case, or did I miss a config on my DVR box?

I have been disapointed by the weather and closeing alarts killing the HD also, you would think they wouldn't mess with the HD as anyone getting HD has the weather sub station or some SD counterpart.

Hi,
From the TV station perspective it seems that you guys are missing the fact that HD is just one mode of the new digital system which is a REPLACEMENT for current analog television. The FCC requires us to warn ALL of our viewers when there are threatening conditions. In fact, those of you on cable should have noticed by now that they have to break into all channels when an alert is sent out. The FCC is becoming very serious about this. It's not something we have a choice about. The FCC doesn't want to hear that some little old lady died in a tornado because she was watching HD and all the warnings were in SD.
The reason we have to break HD back to SD to do this is simply because we are in the earliest stages of implementing HD. HD equipment is VERY, VERY, VERY expensive and most stations in our market size just don't have the money to go out and buy everything at one time. Even the networks are struggling with purchasing all the HD equipment they need. For example, that's why ABC can't transmit GMA in HD to our time zone yet. Most stations can only broadcast HD by patching the signal directly from the network into the transmitter. It will get better as we are gradually able to purchase some HD equipment.
Personally, I would love to see the HD signal clutter free. But as long as the government is involved and thinks a broadcasters primary duty is to provide public service our hands are tied.
:o
I wish I had better news, but things will get better. We will gradually get HD gear and at least be able to put up the bugs and crawls without breaking back to SD. Until then, we'll just have to make do with what we have. Keep in mind, it may be HDTV but it is still TV.

Considering my location, could I receive channels such as Fox out of Tulsa OTA in HD? What would you guys suggest, equipment-wise, for me to be able to do this?

Thanks in advance for your help.

I pull that distance in from our ranch in ADA. The ranch house is on a big hill with clear lines of sight. I use a big channel master directional outdoor antenna on a rotor. Im in Tulsa right now so I can't look at the model number. It was about $140.00. I pull in OKC, at about 75 to 80 miles pretty reliably and Dallas and Tulsa some nights if I rotate the antenna to the south or northeast. The elevation probably helps the reception. I wish channel 8 would stop limiting their power to the south to protect analog channel 10 in ADA because channel 5 in OKC does about the same thing to protect channel 7 in Lawton, so I have a hard time getting ABC HD .I believe you could get most of the Tulsa stations pretty easily with a large directional antenna and maybe a preamp.

Does anybody else who is pulling the local Tulsa stations OTA have a lip-sync problem with programming on KTUL?

I have a really bad lip-sync problem with any HDTV programming, including shows like Grey's Anatomy, Desperate Houswives and Lost.

I'm pretty sure that it's not my equipment, becuase I don't have any lip-sync problems on any HDTV programming on KJRH, KOTV or KOKI, but just for reference, my equipment is:

Pioneer 1015TX (used for component video switching)
Samsung SIR-T451 OTA HDTV receiver
Panasonic PT-53WX42 53" HDTV

Does anyone else have this problem?

Jeff,
I don't know about KTUL, but here at KHBS/KHOG we are seeing a lot of audio problems coming from ABC and being reported by other ABC stations in our group. Among these are:
1. Lip Sync issues
2. Problems with 5.1 as they switch modes (loud bangs and pops, and times when the sound seems to loose an anchor point and spin around the room).
3. Problems with drastic level changes.

Lip sync is a particularly difficult problem. In tests we have even set identical receivers side by side and had one in sync and the other out of sync. We don't know what causes that and don't know what to do about it either.

More DTV bugs!

Does anybody else who is pulling the local Tulsa stations OTA have a lip-sync problem with programming on KTUL?

I have a really bad lip-sync problem with any HDTV programming, including shows like Grey's Anatomy, Desperate Houswives and Lost.

I'm pretty sure that it's not my equipment, becuase I don't have any lip-sync problems on any HDTV programming on KJRH, KOTV or KOKI, but just for reference, my equipment is:

Pioneer 1015TX (used for component video switching)
Samsung SIR-T451 OTA HDTV receiver
Panasonic PT-53WX42 53" HDTV

Does anyone else have this problem?


I just watched Lost tonight using an OTA antenna and did not have any lip-sync problems. Of course it did drop to SD twice so they could promote their newscast.

I've never had a lip sync problem with the OTA signal.

I have had lip sync problems with the HD channels on DirecTV, but not all channels & not all the time!

Thanks for the responses!

Lip sync is a particularly difficult problem. In tests we have even set identical receivers side by side and had one in sync and the other out of sync. We don't know what causes that and don't know what to do about it either.

Wow. That's lovely to hear. :rolleyes:

Like I said, what's just really strange is that I only have the problem on KTUL (ABC)... there is no problem at all on any other of my HDTV OTA stations.

I guess maybe I'll try to run analog sound from my Samsung to my TV's speakers, bypassing the receiver, to see if maybe there is just some weird compatability issue with KTUL's audio stream and my receiver.

The FCC requires us to warn ALL of our viewers when there are threatening conditions. In fact, those of you on cable should have noticed by now that they have to break into all channels when an alert is sent out. The FCC is becoming very serious about this. It's not something we have a choice about. The FCC doesn't want to hear that some little old lady died in a tornado because she was watching HD and all the warnings were in SD.

Personally, I would love to see the HD signal clutter free. But as long as the government is involved and thinks a broadcasters primary duty is to provide public service our hands are tied.
:o


They do care about is the EAS system. You know the one you test monthly? The one where someday the President of the United States will pop up on your television screen telling you to duck and cover because we are being bombed by North Korea. This is the one outlined at EAS (http://www.fcc.gov/eb/easfact.html).


While I am complaining let me vent about KTUL in Tulsa last night interrupting the HD version of LOST with a "Breaking News" headline banner for the 10 PM news, not once but twice and of course switching to SD. Don't they realize no one who doesn't watch their news already is going to watch just because they have a news story at 10 PM?

Why is it that CBS shows on KOTV that are 5.1 are not brodcast that way??
I'm watching CSI rigt now & not getting 5.1 when it says it is brodcast in 5.1.

Kotv does not have the capability to pass the 5.1 sound on from the network right now.

Kotv does not have the capability to pass the 5.1 sound on from the network right now.
Well at least they have the HD pic, but that's only half the fun!

i have been reading about the huge difference having your TV calibrated professionally can make has anyone here locally (tulsa) had theirs done. I bought the DVE dvd and came away frustrated.....what are your thoughts?

and if you have had it done and were pleased who did it?

thanks for your thoughts

i have been reading about the huge difference having your TV calibrated professionally can make has anyone here locally (tulsa) had theirs done. I bought the DVE dvd and came away frustrated.....what are your thoughts?

and if you have had it done and were pleased who did it?

thanks for your thoughts
I talked to the guy that does the calibrations where I got my TV (Video Revolutions) & he said he didn't think my SXRD needed calibration so I went with his advice!

Anybody else having sound cutout on ABC right now I'm watching the Oscar pre show and the sound clips off more than its on.

Anybody else having sound cutout on ABC right now I'm watching the Oscar pre show and the sound clips off more than its on.


OTA by the way

OTA by the way


Well its fixed whatever the problem was

I'm not watching the Oscars but I had the same problem Friday night on KTUL (ABC)

I seem to have cutout problems on ABC more than other HD channels, but I watch via COX and almost always from my DVR, so I never know if it is aproblem with ABC or something with the DVR. I don't seem to remember having the problem during MNF so i usualy chalk it up to the DVR.


Anybody else having sound cutout on ABC right now I'm watching the Oscar pre show and the sound clips off more than its on.

Has anyone been having issues with KOTV?

Since last Friday, I have been getting frequent (every 10 seconds or so) audio dropouts and video pixelation. It happenned with Numbers, CSI:Miami and also while I was watching Letterman tonight - every CBS show I have watched since Friday.

I have an antenna in the attic and have not had any long-term problems since it was installed 18 months ago. Once in a while - I'll have this problem on NBC, but it has always been isolated to one day - so I just assumed it was an aberration.

Thanks

I've had dropouts with KOTV.
I went to the signal strength meter on my SXRD & saw it was at 98 but all the sudden it would drop to 41 for a second & then go back to 98.
It was clear, no wind & I'm in the country with no large buildings around.

Has anyone been having issues with KOTV?

Since last Friday, I have been getting frequent (every 10 seconds or so) audio dropouts and video pixelation. It happenned with Numbers, CSI:Miami and also while I was watching Letterman tonight - every CBS show I have watched since Friday.

I have an antenna in the attic and have not had any long-term problems since it was installed 18 months ago. Once in a while - I'll have this problem on NBC, but it has always been isolated to one day - so I just assumed it was an aberration.

Thanks


I have the same exact problem and my signal strength is in the 90's! I just installed my antenna about 2 weeks ago and I think I did record something Two and Half Men that was perfect now I have this annoying problem. It's got to be some sort of interference because the problems is not on the cable HD channels. What area of town do you live in? I'm in Owasso.

nyone have a Triple LNB dish for DirectTv they want to get rid of?
Yep sure do.
I talked to the guy that does the calibrations where I got my TV (Video Revolutions) & he said he didn't think my SXRD needed calibration so I went with his advice!
What a moron. What "calibrations" does he do? They aren't even ISF certified LOL
Audio Advice is. I know someone who went to the training seminar that the guy from Audio Advice went to.

Nice receiver Moose. I have the same one.

Someone posted on HDTVOK.com that we should get TNT HD in april!

Someone posted on HDTVOK.com that we should get TNT HD in april!


Great if true, this is one of the few channels I really want to see added in HD. Plus Shane I sent you a PM.

Anybody else noticing that the dropouts seem to be back again happens every 10-15 seconds or so. Signal doesn't appear to drop but picture pixelates briefly. Seems to be OTA only though cable is working fine.

Anybody else noticing that the dropouts seem to be back again happens every 10-15 seconds or so. Signal doesn't appear to drop but picture pixelates briefly. Seems to be OTA only though cable is working fine.

It must be either your OTA receiver or reception then. Got any new leaves budding on your trees?

I have been getting the dropouts also on KOTV in Owasso. I have a friend who lives in Bixby that is getting them also. I emailed them a week or so ago and have heard nothing. Last time KTUL had a problem for a couple of days with a decoder, I emailed them and the guy in charge replied and apologized and said it was fixed, and it was. Good response.

I've been having audio dropouts like crazy on KOTV, ABC and on Fox(during 24 no less!!!).

I'm wondering if I have a flaky DCT thru Cox or it's an issue with the station itself. The last 2 sessions of 24 I have watched had major audio dropouts and pixelation. It only lasts a few seconds but it's annoying!

Who else has noticed frames being dropped on OTA HD broadcasts on KTUL? I noticed in on Signs then Sunday night and now tonight According to Jim. Anybody have any info or maybe the engineers email?

I don't mean to complain but in the 2 months I have lived here I have already had twice as many problems than the 1 1/2 year prior in Sacramento. Yea Yea smaller market but Sacramento aint that BIG!

I have noticed it on desperate housewifes last night and tonight on Boson Legal.

Who else has noticed frames being dropped on OTA HD broadcasts on KTUL? I noticed in on Signs then Sunday night and now tonight According to Jim. Anybody have any info or maybe the engineers email?

I don't mean to complain but in the 2 months I have lived here I have already had twice as many problems than the 1 1/2 year prior in Sacramento. Yea Yea smaller market but Sacramento aint that BIG!

April 6th we'll be getting TNT HD.

KJRH sure has been having problems switching fron 5.1 to stereo lately.
They cut off the first 5 seconds of a show trying to get 5.1 fired back up.

I got a postcard mailer in my mailbox today from Cox. It notified me of the addition of TNT-HD on the 6th as Shane posted above. It also indicated that channel 11 will be on the HD tier soon as well. It did have a typo on the card, it showed all the HD channels available, the typo showed two listings for INHD2 and left off INHD1.

Now I just need to find some shows on TNT that I enjoy!!

I've been getting TNT in HD for a while now on DirecTV, It's not bad but not the channel I would have picked if we were only getting one new HD channel.

The best HD pic I've seen so far is on PBS, I don't know what resolution Cox has but OTA PBS rocks in pic quality!

Cox should be at the same resolution as PBS is OTA.

TNT looks decent but the zooming is craptacular thus far. MHD is the reference thus far for me when I want to demo something. Everything on that channel looks spectacular.

I would have picked ESPN2. Has anyone asked if we are getting that soon?

TheMoose,
I have the same receiver as you. I find that rather funny ;)

well I have finally stopped selling my soul to cox on a monthly basis just to get access to espn hd. I live in southern tulsa @ 71 and lewis. what are a couple of low priced options for an HD ant, and where would i pick it up? I would think being so close to mid tulsa i could get away with a little less antenna then some of the other posters? appreciate it

jay

A $10 set of rabbit ears with a UHF loop should work fine clipfan, an antenna is an antenna is an antenna. I assume you realize you are giving up all but a handfull of HD channels besides just ESPN-HD right?

well i have gotten all of the local ota hd channels i was seeking but KTUL and i have come to believe that may be bc of my neighbors tree.

Was wondering do any of the locals ever get together for major sporting events (nba finals maybe)?

Make sure your antenna can receive VHF because KTUL broadcasts a VHF signal instead of UHF like the rest of the stations.

A friend of mine here in Western Arkansas is thinking of getting a rotor to receive Tulsa OTA DTV. What channels in the Tulsa area are broadcasting at full power?

A friend of mine here in Western Arkansas is thinking of getting a rotor to receive Tulsa OTA DTV. What channels in the Tulsa area are broadcasting at full power?

arxaw,

I don't know for sure, but all of the local Tulsa network affiliates have their DTV broadcasts up-and-running, which would mean they are at full power. (I could be wrong on that, though).

Has your friend visited the antennaweb.org site? That would be a good first step to see if he is far enough west to receive the DTV signals from Tulsa. I know that a good part of Northwest Arkansas is part of the Tulsa DMA, so I would think that depending if he's not too far east or south, and has a big enough UHF/VHF antenna, he should be able to pull the DTV signals from Tulsa.

Being on the air and being at full power are two different things. And antennaweb.org doesn't tell you if a station is full power or not....

Also, some of OK is in the Ft. Smith/Fayetteville DMA, but none of AR is in the Tulsa DMA. Here's a DMA map for Ft Smith (http://www.truckads.com/Affiliate/Ft_Smith_Fayetteville_Springdale_Rogers.htm#map).

Being on the air and being at full power are two different things. And antennaweb.org doesn't tell you if a station is full power or not....

Gotcha. I checked a link that I used to visit all the time to see if they might have the info you are looking for, and I think they do. The site is www.hdtvok.com. It has all sorts of info about DTV in Oklahoma, including a listing of the station specs, including broadcast power. Check THIS (http://www.hdtvok.com/mod.php?mod=userpage&page_id=3#Tulsa) link for a listing of the DTV station power in Tulsa. I'm not sure what qualifies as "full" power, but they are all broadcasting at a range of 7 kw on the low end (KTUL-DT, VHF) to 1,000 kw on the high end (KOKI-DT, UHF).

I also know that most of the transmitters are actually east of Tulsa, near Wagnor. So I would think as long as you have a big enough directional UHF/VHF antenna, you could probably receive the signals... KTUL (ABC) might be tough, given that it's VHF, but I would think you could get the others.

Thanks for the info and links. KTUL on VHF ch 10 wouldn't be a problem since it travels much farther than UHF and takes much less power to do so. But 7kW doesn't sound like full power. That might be a problem, plus there's another channel 10 near NW AR in Springfield, MO that may interfere w/ reception of KTUL.

All the major locals are at full power. I get almost max signal strength on the far side of Grand Lake. Ktul is a problem to the south as they protect analog channel 10 in Ada. I have friend south of McAlester that get all of Tulsa and Ft Smith except Ktul. I believe with a good antenna you should get them along the arkansas border.

osu1991,
thanks

Anyone got D* & having this same problem??

On channel 2-1 KJRH (NBC) HD my D* H20-100 won't tune it & the signal strength meter shows it's bouncing around between 0% & 40% signal strength.
I change it over to my SXRD's internal tuner & I get the picture with a signal strength of 87%.
It just started doing this last night.

Moose, Has D got the local HD Channels , or are You getting it off a Local Antenna ? They say soon they will have them, but when ? I was getting NY & LA in HD till they droped it.

Moose, Has D got the local HD Channels , or are You getting it off a Local Antenna ? They say soon they will have them, but when ? I was getting NY & LA in HD till they droped it.
No, D* doesn't have HD Local (Tulsa, OK) channels yet.
I get them thru the antenna, the tuner in my TV & the H20 shares the same antenna.

Anyone know why WB 19 is showing up on 6.2 (KOTV-CBS)?
The bug in the bottom left hand corner says KOTV 6.2 but the programing is WB 19 & I don't know where the radar that's susposed to be on 6.2 went.

Cox is planning on carrying the upcoming, July 1st, Space Shuttle Discovery launch being offered by HDNet. This offering is not an indication that they will be launching HDNet full time anytime soon. This is expected to be a high quality HD event and they wanted to bring it to their Oklahoma HD subscribers. Their carriage of HDNet will end following this event.


For the Cox systems in Oklahoma City and Tulsa, the HD Space Shuttle Discovery launch program will air on Channel 740.

If for some reason the launch is delayed, they will attempt to air the launch on its rescheduled date.

Be sure and send a message to Cox saying how much you want HDNet full time.

Griffin now owns wb19. The engineer at KOTV said that picture quality would improve around August for 6.2 and not to expect a separate digital channel or HD for wb19 until the analog cutoff in 2009. Wb 19 is now KQCW as they will be the cw in spetember, the simulcast on 6.2 is to expand the coverage area for channel 19 without having a separate digital channel. It appears Griffin would rather spend money on helicopters than ungrade 19 right now.

Noticed the other day that I am now receiving channel 711 for OETA. Since Cox is using the 700 tier for HD programming, had presumed this was the HD PBS. However, my TV indicates it is 480i. Sometimes programming is in full screen and other times it reverts to the 4:3 format. This is the behavior for the other HD channels when not broadcasting HD programming. But I have my screen size set to Theater mode for 4:3 on the other 480i channels, so it makes it all the more confusing.

Anyone know the scoop on 711?

I have D* at home but watching cox at work the other day I did notice a channel line up change, we don't have the HD box there so I haven't seen that.

Officially August 15 oeta on 711 cox cable. Eventually cable will be the only way to get pbs hd 24/7 according to the OETA website. OETA will start multicasting with very little hd OTA, I am assuming when they finally complete their new master control.

Officially August 15 oeta on 711 cox cable. Eventually cable will be the only way to get pbs hd 24/7 according to the OETA website. OETA will start multicasting with very little hd OTA, I am assuming when they finally complete their new master control.
That is not correct, you will still be able to recieve OETA HD with an OTA antenna, this was on their website,

"*Viewers without Cox Digital Cable will need an antenna and digital conversion box or a digital TV with a tuner to receive the new channels."

You will be able to receive some hd ota from oeta but not a 24/7 feed like they are using now.

I live in Mid-Town just south of the Fairgrounds. I have tried a lot of things to get all the OTA channels and I have had NO luck!!! I currently recieve Fox 23, and thats it.
I am using a ChannelMaster 3018 antenna (30 element) on my roof with (2) 5ft antenna masts, with 50ft of RG59 cable to a diplexer, ran 10ft into the Living Room, where it goes through another Diplexer to a Windows MCE 2005 pc with a Dvico Fusion ATSC tuner... Does anyone have any recommendations, or is anyone a pro at this? I need help :(

Remove the diplexors. I had the same problem but it was only with one hd receiver. Removed the diplexors and it works perfect. Only receiver I have ever hooked up that would not work with any diplexor I tried. Some would allow a few channels thru but not all. I am only a few miles east of you and have my antenna at about the same level shooting thru a bunch of trees and I am maxed out on all channels except RSC and TBN which I would have to turn the antenna for.

Remove the diplexors. I had the same problem but it was only with one hd receiver. Removed the diplexors and it works perfect. Only receiver I have ever hooked up that would not work with any diplexor I tried. Some would allow a few channels thru but not all. I am only a few miles east of you and have my antenna at about the same level shooting thru a bunch of trees and I am maxed out on all channels except RSC and TBN which I would have to turn the antenna for.

Well I ran i straight from antenna to the reciever and I still get fox great, and now i get all the other channels, but they are skipping... Any ideas? Do I need a booster? Also, I just changed it to all new RG6 cable...

The Channelmaster is plenty big without a booster. Try rotating the antenna to diminish any multipath reflections you may be getting.You might try getting the antenna higher, add another extension to the pole. I have not used the pc cards so I don't know how sensitive they are to multipath. You might be getting to much signal for the card and need to try a 10db attenuator.

The Channelmaster is plenty big without a booster. Try rotating the antenna to diminish any multipath reflections you may be getting.You might try getting the antenna higher, add another extension to the pole. I have not used the pc cards so I don't know how sensitive they are to multipath. You might be getting to much signal for the card and need to try a 10db attenuator.

Well I dont think it is too high of a signal, because Fox is the only one that comes in flawlessly. They have a repeater tower in Tulsa, which is directly in-line with what im pointing at. I'll try and get a 5ft extension and raise it up a little more... Every other channel comes in (besides 10/8) but they skip...

Anyone else notice KJRH overlayed weather bugs in HD during the Brickyard 400 yesterday?

There was an entry in the HDTVOK.com forums that said it started a couple of days ago.

Bravo KJRH!

Anyone else notice KJRH overlayed weather bugs in HD during the Brickyard 400 yesterday?

There was an entry in the HDTVOK.com forums that said it started a couple of days ago.

Bravo KJRH!


I noticed it on the Tonight Show I believe Thurs night.

I saw that too, it's about time we don't have to lose HD to the weather bugs, now if the other stations can do the same!

I noticed last weekend that COX in tulsa was carring the NFL network in HD on channel 740.
There have been several HD games, but I don't really pay too much attention during preseason.

Looks like PBS hd is starting to leave OTA. They are multicasting 4 subchannels now. It appears cox will be the only way to get PBS hd 24/7. I would have preferred keeping the national hd feed and 1 subchannel with OETA stuff.

Looks like PBS hd is starting to leave OTA. They are multicasting 4 subchannels now. It appears cox will be the only way to get PBS hd 24/7. I would have preferred keeping the national hd feed and 1 subchannel with OETA stuff.

But when is Cox actually going to add PBS HD?

Why would PBS eliminate their OTA broadcasts? Does anybody else notice a severe voice lag (delay) on NBC OTA? Every other OTA station is just fine but during MNF(ack I should say SNF) right now it's bad. I don't think it's always a problem though I have watched Jay Leno just fine before.

PBS is not eliminating OTA. They are eliminating a 24/7 hd feed, instead opting to broadcast 4 channels of non hd stuff.

2, 6, & 8 all lost HD with the weather bugs on tonight.

I think it sucks that OETA doesn't have HD OTA, 11.1 is just mirroring 11 now.
How can they get away with that, it's public television & the only way to get the HD feed is with pay cable? that's just not right! :mad:

I don't know why channel 2 dropped hd for weather, they have had the weather on top of the hd for several weeks now. Oeta is legally required to mirror their analog feed, but dropping PBS HD for the other 3 crappy channels is just plain dumb. I've already deleted them out of the guide just a waste of space.

Is it just me or is 8.1 locked up?
All I get is a still of people planting a tree.
I thought it was my antenna but the signal strength is 98.
It came back on during a comercial but went back to the same still when the show came back on.

The new I- Guide officially sucks. That is all!!!

Jimbo

Had an HR20 installed last weekend, and the original installer goofed up the AT-9 install big time. One of their "Senior technicians" came out today to fix the original installers goof. He didn't install the add-on LNB correctly, the one that gets the 99 & 103 satellites (I realize the 99 isn't up yet). Anyway, when talking about what was on it, he said Tulsa would get getting HD locals "very soon". He said D* wanted HD locals in all locations that hey had call centers ASAP. Apparently they want the CSR's to be able to see everything any subscriber could see. Since they're spot beams, they can't get any MPG4 locals right now.

Take it for what it's worth.

I have Basic cable from COX and my HDTV (Sony KD-30XS955) found the free local HD channels. I can get, for example, CBS on 79.1, FOX on 79.2, NBC on 80.1 and so forth. I cannot find the new CW (the old WB) free HD channel through the basic cable and the COX website says nothing about these channels, just the channels that come through on the digital subscription service (like 715 for FOX, 716 for CBS, etc.).

Does anyone know the channel numbers for the free HD over the Basic cable subscription package?

I cannot find the new CW (the old WB) free HD channel through the basic cable and the COX website says nothing about these channels,
The CW is not brodcasting in HD yet.

Oh ok. I remembered watching Smallville a while back and at the beginning of the show it would say In High Definition Where Available. I was wanting to catch Smallville in HD the next time around.

I am not using the OTA tuner yet (if ever since I have Basic cable).

Thanks for the reply! I have a feeling that COX customer service will have no idea what the QAM channels are for the local TV stations.

Thanks for the reply! I have a feeling that COX customer service will have no idea what the QAM channels are for the local TV stations.

When I had a Sony QAM capable DVR a year ago, the local HD channels were 0.715, 0.716, 0.718, and 0.719. I don't believe all tuners can receive channel numbers below 1. And that may be why Cox puts them there (if that is where they still are).

Oh ok. I remembered watching Smallville a while back and at the beginning of the show it would say In High Definition Where Available. I was wanting to catch Smallville in HD the next time around.


Don't expect any CW HD until 2009. Griffin is not going to spend the money right now to get their digital signal on the air until the analog cutoff. I had heard rumors they might put a cable only HD feed on Cox, which would suck big time. I am starting think this might happen since Griffin has renamed the channel The CW12 instead of the CW19.

Well, we seemed to have lost the NFL network in HD on COX. It was on 740. Hopefully we'll get it back before thanksgiving

And now it looks like we have fox sports HD on 740

And now it looks like we have fox sports HD on 740

I saw that too. Unfortunately, every time I checked it during the HD game tonight it said it was temporarily off the air.

Yes FSNHD appears to be useless.
I was hoping to have NFLHD for the upcoming live games.
I have become really spoiled on HD football and can hardly stand to watch SD.

On OTA I'm not getting any sound on ch 19 & 11, I am getting sound on 6.2 (ch 19 simucast) & 11.1 (for 11)
Anyone else getting this?

Iowa State vs. Oklahoma IS in HD on ch. 740 right now!

Has anyone else noticed a lot of breakup on KJRH lately. It seems like it happens mostly on the weekends. I have tried everything I can with my antenna including attenuators but can't figure it out. I am figuring it most be KJRH's fault.

Anyone else seeing this?

Yea, it drove me nuts on the NASCAR race tonight, no matter what I did with the antenna it still broke up.
I'm hoping that will be gone when the Mpeg 4 local HD's from D* get turned on in Dec.

I don't think it is kjrh as I have heard this problem from different parts of the country the last few weeks. I think it is NBC. The race has driven me crazy the last two weeks but was really annoying last night.

I watched Studio 60 last night with no break ups, a far cry from the crappy signal I had Sat on the NASCAR race!

I've had minor issues with KJRH(during Heroes a week ago) but nothing since.

Is everyone able to receive OETA channels 11.1, 11.2, 11.3 & 11.4?
I'm getting a picture over OTA on Channel 11 but no sound, none of the digital channels will come in at all.
I'm wondering if it's my setup or something OETA is doing.

Anyone using a Terk TV-5 in or around Owasso? I bought one with my soon-to-arrive HDTV hoping it would get me by until locals come in on D*.

OETA / PBS HD now on Tulsa Cox at 711.

Also noticed "Wheel of Fortune" is now in HD on KJRH. Or perhaps it has been for a while and I just missed it because I usually work at that time. The first-run episode of "Jeopardy!" I saw was still SD though. I suppose that will change soon enough.

I read someplace where Wheel was going HD.

Anyone else getting pixelation at the top of the screen on PBS HD on Cox? I'll bet it's because of some form of multicasting but I wanted to see if anyone else was seeing this.

Jeopardy and Wheel are both now shot in HD. But when I emailed KJRH last month they said they were still deciding on whether to invest in the equipment to be able to receive and rebroadcast the hd versions. I guess they have invested in the equipment now.

Now if we could get KOTV to invest in the equipment to brodcast in 5.1!

Now if we could get KOTV to invest in the equipment to brodcast in 5.1!

I wouldn't hold my breath.

Posted today at HDTVOK.com

A Cox employee supplied the following info:

I am pleased to report that ESPN2 HD will be added to the Cox line-up. ESPN2 HD will be added on channel 721 in both OKC and Tulsa.

Also, the 8 live games on NFL Network, starting Thanksgiving Day, will be shown in HD as well on Cox. A special channel will be created for those games.

Looks like my41 now has a new subchannel on 41.2. Not sure what it is showing.

Sorry to repost this but I'm hoping for a response.
Is everyone able to receive OETA channels 11.1, 11.2, 11.3 & 11.4 OTA?
I'm getting a picture over OTA on Channel 11 but no sound, none of the digital channels will come in at all.
I'm wondering if it's my setup or something OETA is doing.

I watched some of the hd feed OTA tuesday I believe, before they went back to the multicasts, which I do get perfectly fine. No audio or video problems that I know of.

Anyone else on Cox getting a lot of breakup on OETA HD? It seems like every time I try to watch, it is almost unwatchable.

Posted today at HDTVOK.com

A Cox employee supplied the following info:

I am pleased to report that ESPN2 HD will be added to the Cox line-up. ESPN2 HD will be added on channel 721 in both OKC and Tulsa.

Also, the 8 live games on NFL Network, starting Thanksgiving Day, will be shown in HD as well on Cox. A special channel will be created for those games.

I added ESPN2 HD to the first post.

It's on now!

Anyone else on Cox getting a lot of breakup on OETA HD? It seems like every time I try to watch, it is almost unwatchable.
I was at first but not since the early launch. Now it's crystal clear.

This may be a really stupid question, but here goes: Is it possible to get HDTV in Tulsa without Cox or DirecTV, you know, for free? If so, where do I go to purchase whatever equipment or antenna and how do I go about finding someone who knows what their doing to install it? I have 2 new TV's just sitting here not hooked up to anything, and I saw this site on SlickDeals. Can anyone help a girl out?

If your tv's are HD and have Digital tuners you should be able to get HDTV.
You can go to http://www.antennaweb.org and it will show you what stations you should be able to get.
I can get the HD versions of 2-6-8-11-23 with just rabit ears in broken arrow, however, i have cox so don't usually use the antenna.
You should be able to just hook the antenna up and scan for digital stations, and it should find some.
Others who have nice antenna can probably chime in with what kind of antenna they have and what stations they get.

I use rabbit ears (until DirecTV turns on the HD's) & I can get all the digital channels but I'm in Oneta & that's close to all the towers.

I was able to get the digital versions of 2, 6, 8, 11, 23, 41, and 47 using an indoor "Silver Sensor" antenna in Broken Arrow. If I re-aimed it, I could also get 44 and 53. (I now use Cox, so I haven't used an antenna in awhile.)

Ok, thanks. That helps. But where do I go to buy such a thing and who can I trust to install it? Should I just go to the radio shack down the street? I need help getting the tv up and running and adjusting all the controls to make it work right. I ordered a TV online and have read that out of the box the adjustments are off quite a bit. I'm totally helpless with this technical stuff!

Excuse the interruption....I'm in Jacksonville, FL and I noticed Tulsa was supposed to be getting Local in Local HD from DirecTV at that same time as us: fall, 2006 according to their website.

I'm now being told that isn't going to happen in Jacksonville until Febrauary, 2007. Have you been told the same thing concerning Tulsa?

Excuse the interruption....I'm in Jacksonville, FL and I noticed Tulsa was supposed to be getting Local in Local HD from DirecTV at that same time as us: fall, 2006 according to their website.

I'm now being told that isn't going to happen in Jacksonville until Febrauary, 2007. Have you been told the same thing concerning Tulsa?
I haven't heard a thing.
I have a HR20 & I want the locals or OTA activated so I can record network shows in HD.

From what I've heard Tulsa is a priority because we have a call center & right now they can't see what some of the callers are seeing.

I haven't heard a thing.
I have a HR20 & I want the locals or OTA activated so I can record network shows in HD.

From what I've heard Tulsa is a priority because we have a call center & right now they can't see what some of the callers are seeing.

Interesting. I originally was calling D* because there was a rumor that OTA was going to activated nationally on the HR20s on December 1st. That's when I was given the February, 2007 date.

What really confused/upset me was that the CRS said that even the LIL will be delayed until that same date. When I mentioned that their website is still reading "Fall, 2006", she said that it probably just hadn't been updated.

Hi, everyone. I'm new to Cox HD and have a couple of questions I haven't seen answered under the Tulsa, OK HDTV thread...

1. I have the Cox HD/DVR DCT-6416 III connected via HDMI to a Samsung HP-S5053 720p TV. I am not sure which Cox Video setting to use... the "720p-Wide" or "1080i-wide". I've tried both on various HD channels. I'm not sure if I can tell the difference, but want to ensure I'm getting the maximum quality.

2. I've watched HD football on all of the channels now (715, 716, 718, 719, 720). All of them are beautiful and smooth except CBS/716. During the Saturday bowl game and Sunday NFL (Dec 30, 31, 2006), whenever there were scene changes there was very obvious blurring (kind of made me seasick feeling). The other channels did not do this (even NBC which is also 1080i). Was this normal or a problem with KOTV? Or is there a setting I haven't found yet in Cox or Samsung to resolve this? I'm worried about the Superbowl on CBS. I don't want to host a party if it looks like that. I also switched to OTA channel 6.1 and it did the exact same thing.

Thanks for any info!

I usually set mine to 720p stretch 480i. I let the DVR box do the stretching. It seems to do a pretty good job, plus has the benifit of not having my tv 'flicker' when I change channels from HD to SD.
I will occasionaly switch it to 480i preserve and let my tv 'expand' if it is a widescreen sd program.
My tv is a mts 52725 so is also 720p, but I really don't see any difference when the box is set to 720P or 1080ii

Hi, everyone. I'm new to Cox HD and have a couple of questions I haven't seen answered under the Tulsa, OK HDTV thread...

1. I have the Cox HD/DVR DCT-6416 III connected via HDMI to a Samsung HP-S5053 720p TV. I am not sure which Cox Video setting to use... the "720p-Wide" or "1080i-wide". I've tried both on various HD channels. I'm not sure if I can tell the difference, but want to ensure I'm getting the maximum quality.

2. I've watched HD football on all of the channels now (715, 716, 718, 719, 720). All of them are beautiful and smooth except CBS/716. During the Saturday bowl game and Sunday NFL (Dec 30, 31, 2006), whenever there were scene changes there was very obvious blurring (kind of made me seasick feeling). The other channels did not do this (even NBC which is also 1080i). Was this normal or a problem with KOTV? Or is there a setting I haven't found yet in Cox or Samsung to resolve this? I'm worried about the Superbowl on CBS. I don't want to host a party if it looks like that. I also switched to OTA channel 6.1 and it did the exact same thing.

Thanks for any info!

1. I set mine on 1080i. I can't remember the name of the sub-setting I use, but I have it automatically stretch the 4X3 channels. My TV is native 720p, so I notice no difference in the picture between the 1080i setting and the 720p setting on the box. However, the menu screens and on screen guide become almost unreadable to me on the 720p setting. At 1080i they're crystal clear. I can't explain it.

2. KOTV has a rather beefy subchannel on 6.2 swallowing much of their bandwidth. That is why their fast-moving HD content looks really blocky and soft. I'm under the impression that Cox takes the digital channel off the air for retransmission, thus your problems are the same via cable or OTA. This will likely not be corrected until KOTV invests in a separate digital transmitter for KQCW.

If you scroll back through this thread, there is a bit more discussion about #2.

I must agree about kotv. There NFL football used to be about the best, but is really suffering from the big subchannel.

Thank you all for your responses. At least I know what is going on now. It is very disappointing, though. I hope it is as simple as shutting down their subchannel at least during the superbowl, but something tells me they can't or won't. This is a real shame, and when I do have a choice, I won't be watching CBS sports.