Thanks for the response.

Will this Firmware upgrade take care of the Y/C Delay problem I read about as well?

Also, I bought my player off EBAY, on Denon's website it is required to enter in the retailer to get the download. If I put in EBAY will they still let me download the upgrade? Or should I lie and put in a Denon authorized dealer?

Thanks again

"I just picked up a 3910 today and so far I'm very impressed with this player. One thing I can't figure out is when playing DVD-A's I can't get any video over DVI?"

Go the the front of the player and try pushing the "select" button on the DVI/HDMI until it says "DVI," in the view finder.

Just say Good Guys.

Dave

jtrutig

to get in the set up menu I dont think that you can have any disk in the player.

m

Dave,

I'll try good guys, thanks again.

Zen Traveler,

I made sure the view finder was displaying DVI....still no luck with DVD-A's :( Thanks anyway

Mismatched,

I can access the set up menu with any type of disc (so far I've tried cd, dvd video. cd-r, sacd) in the player except DVD-A.

Originally posted by jtrutig
I just picked up a 3910 today and so far I'm very impressed with this player. One thing I can't figure out is when playing DVD-A's I can't get any video over DVI? I can't even access the set up menu when a DVD-A disc is in? It works fine over component though. Any ideas as to what I could be doing wrong?

Sorry if this has been asked already, but after searching through 30 + pages I gave up.......

You should check the ETC. menu on the 3910, and see if "Player Mode" is on AUDIO or VIDEO. This should get things rolling for you.

Originally posted by Auditor55
I just picked up this player and do you mean to tell it won't pass BTB? That sucks, I should return this player before I even open it.:mad:

Greetings,

My 3910 passes blacker than black over DVI with no problem. If you are ready to return the unit without even trying it then maybe you should just pick up a sub $100 player and be done with it.


Regards,

Originally posted by placidman
Greetings,

My 3910 passes blacker than black over DVI with no problem. If you are ready to return the unit without even trying it then maybe you should just pick up a sub $100 player and be done with it.


Regards,

No, No, I tried a couple of $300 and below players and they just don't cut it.
BTW, I do have a $89.00 progressive scan DVD player that about about a year ago and guess what, it has no macroblocking!!

My 3910 is still sitting in my closet un opened, I had serious bias remorse last night, I tossed and turned all night long because I wondering how much of the "3910" is snake oil. I will give it run through probably this weekend since I have a 30 day return period. I see any macroblocking, I'm going to do 80 mph on the highway returning this thing.

If a DVD can't pass BTB its pretty much useless when it comes trying obtain the best PQ possible. If you own a microdisplay you probably don't understand that because you decided to dismiss black level performance anyway otherwise you wouldn't own one them.

I have a CRT where black level/shadow detail is king, I don't want spend over thousand dollars for a DVD player when it can't pass BTB. No one that own the 3910 should have to email Denon, beg and plead with them to fix the BTB problem, that's a shame.

Originally posted by Auditor55
No, No, I tried a couple of $300 and below players and they just don't cut it.

Or wait for HD-DVD players slated for Sept-Oct 2005.

Originally posted by Rieper
Or wait for HD-DVD players slated for Sept-Oct 2005.


What kind of prices are we talking about here? BTW, I'm kind of more in the Blue-Ray camp, but anyway I would like to give HD-DVD some food for thought.

Originally posted by Rieper
Or wait for HD-DVD players slated for Sept-Oct 2005.

I'll bet a stack of Benjamin's that the first run of HD DVD players are going to have issues as well, maybe even more. Personally, I wouldn't even think about a HD DVD player until the second generation hit the market.


Auditor55, if you have a 30 day return deal, you may as well give it a shot, you might have one of the "good" ones.

Auditor55

If you are so concerned about the BTB thing and don't care about superior audio please do return the 3910 and get a 2910 and save yourself $600. The 2910 will pass BTB. But remember, if you are lucky and have a June or July build, your 3910 will most likely pass BTB and you can sleep soundly!

mismatched

Originally posted by mismatched
But remember, if you are lucky and have a June or July build, your 3910 will most likely pass BTB and you can sleep soundly!

If you have a June or July build, would its ability to pass BTB be affected by any of the firmware updates you might have done? I am currently using -6.

Originally posted by mismatched
Auditor55

If you are so concerned about the BTB thing and don't care about superior audio please do return the 3910 and get a 2910 and save yourself $600. The 2910 will pass BTB. But remember, if you are lucky and have a June or July build, your 3910 will most likely pass BTB and you can sleep soundly!

mismatched

Geez!! I guess you guy's never had buyers remorse. Anyway, I care about all of the above. Where should I look to see if my player is a June or July build? What about after July, since I just bought mine on 03/01/2005.

on the back of the unit on a white sticker. The build date is obvious. Some August builds do pass BTB according to our limited survey here and on the 3910 btb poll thread.

PS yeah we have had buyer's remorse! :D

Originally posted by mismatched
on the back of the unit on a white sticker. The build date is obvious. Some August builds do pass BTB according to our limited survey here and on the 3910 btb poll thread.

PS yeah we have had buyer's remorse! :D

Count me as passing BTB and having an August 2004 build date.

I ordered from Crutchfield, before they raised the price.

Originally posted by keenan
I'll bet a stack of Benjamin's that the first run of HD DVD players are going to have issues as well, maybe even more.

Lets face it, these manufacturers have had years to get the standard format right and still havent made a reasonably priced player without significant issues.

Imagine them starting off with a whole new format!

I am quite amused by seeing so many different comments like 'until hd-dvd players arrive.....' . Reminds me of the anticipation when a new major player is coming, everyone is so excited and then when people start using it, reality and disappointment hit! The specs always sounded soooo wonderful!

Should be interesting times........

I think its much better to get a really good player now, enjoy the existing format to the max, and wait out the inevitable learning curve of the manufacturers during the intial years.

Originally posted by Auditor55
Geez!! I guess you guy's never had buyers remorse. Anyway, I care about all of the above. Where should I look to see if my player is a June or July build? What about after July, since I just bought mine on 03/01/2005.

Greetings,

Audiotor55, I don't think the real issue here is that none of us have ever had buyer's remorse. The issue here is that you are carrying on so and DON'T even know whether or not your 3910 passes BTB because you have not unpacked it yet.

We have all accepted the fact that the 3910 is not perfect. Show me a perfect DVD player. We do all recognize the 3910's strengths and are willing to concede that it's weaknesses are overshadowed by it's strengths.

You can't make any such statements because you have done nothing but worry what MIGHT be in the box as opposed to seeing what it is actually capable of. You already spent the money on it. Open it up and see just how good a player it is ( or can be ) and I think that you will find less criticism and more support from the members in this thread.

Regards,

Originally posted by Auditor55
If a DVD can't pass BTB its pretty much useless when it comes trying obtain the best PQ possible. If you own a microdisplay you probably don't understand that because you decided to dismiss black level performance anyway otherwise you wouldn't own one them.


Don't assume that a microdisplay owner automatically dismisses blacks or shadows. That's the same as saying a CRT owner automatically dismisses convergence or geometry. I actually have *better* black & shadow detail performance on my DLP than I did on my previous HDTV, which *was* a CRT, though not by much.

If a display or video component doesn't pass blacker than black, no matter what technology you have, you're losing that amount of information (a small amount to be sure).

And my 3910 passes BTB just fine regardless of the firmware I've used. Build date July '04.

Rick

Originally posted by btiltman
I think its much better to get a really good player now, enjoy the existing format to the max, and wait out the inevitable learning curve of the manufacturers during the intial years.

I agree 100%. It's March 2005 and they are still fighting over formats...

"I think its much better to get a really good player now, enjoy the existing format to the max, and wait out the inevitable learning curve of the manufacturers during the intial years."


And give up on being one the first to own a HD-DVD, you're asking folks to give up serious bragging rights. You know what's going to happen, someone's going to buy a HD-DVD and come in here with the usual claim that "HD-DVD BLOWS SD-DVD away!! After that we're all going to feel inferior and we're going to tell ourselves we have to get a HD-DVD , just to keep up with the Joneses:)

Originally posted by Auditor55
After that we're all going to feel inferior and we're going to tell ourselves we have to get a HD-DVD , just to keep up with the Joneses:)

Maybe you need to work on your self-esteem..:D :p

..or move to a neighborhood where no one has a HD-DVD player yet..:D

Originally posted by Auditor55
And give up on being one the first to own a HD-DVD, you're asking folks to give up serious bragging rights.
If that's what you're going for, then go for it. You can be the first kid on your block with that shiny new HD-DVD player and have all of the other kids ooohing and aaahing...don't worry about the flaws and annoyances and bugs, just flaunt it 'cause you got it. Who cares if you really like it...

Jason

I just hope I can review a HD-DVD player for The Spot and get one for free for a while :)

Dave

Oh dear.

I'll start from the beginning: For a month or so after aquiring my 3910, I operated with Source Direct on, and the 50KHz DSD filter engaged. There was no problem at first, but after awhile, I discovered that every time I loaded an SACD, there would be a sudden jump in the noise level: a nasty, hissy crackle that was clearly audible during quiet passages, and even more evident during the silence between tracks. I also discovered that switching to the 100K filter eliminated this problem. (So did turning off Source Direct, but obviously, I'd rather not listen to a PCM conversion if I can help it.) The 100K mode didn't seem to do any harm to my amplifier or speakers, so I stuck with this setting for the next few weeks.

Well, guess what? The hiss and crackle have returned. It's not as quite as bad as it was with the 50K filter, but it's still a lot noisier than it used to be...and again, the noise goes away as soon as I turn off Source Direct. I've just shifted my interconnects from the 2ch outputs over to the FL/FR jacks, and this helps substantially, so long as I retain the 100K filter setting (50K is as noisy as ever). However, I am naturally paranoid that whatever happened to the 2ch DSD output stage might end up happening to the FL/FR outputs as well. I did buy my 3910 from an authorized dealer, and it is still under warranty, so I guess I'll be taking it back tomorrow...but in the meantime, can anybody give me an idea as to how those 2ch DSD outputs might've ended up being fried, without any damage to the stereo or multichannel PCM, or to the multichannel DSD?

Thanks very much!

--Paul Curtis

Originally posted by Auditor55
And give up on being one the first to own a HD-DVD, you're asking folks to give up serious bragging rights. You know what's going to happen, someone's going to buy a HD-DVD and come in here with the usual claim that "HD-DVD BLOWS SD-DVD away!!

And yet another copy of The Fifth Element! Hehe!

I’m seeing the green tint issue with my 3910 hooked up to my Sony GWIII via a monster DVI cable. It’s much more noticeable on some DVDs then others, I watched some scenes from Star Wars and I didn’t notice it, but all the taxi scenes in Collateral are really green when compared to component out put. I’ve read that others had this problem from posts a couple of months ago but I couldn’t find a definite fix to the problem. Probably cause its display dependent?

The only thing I’ve done is gone back and forth with the black level from enhanced to normal, but that doesn’t seem to help. I am also awaiting the firmware - 8 update in the mail, but to my knowledge that won’t correct this problem. I am admittedly a novice at this stuff and I don’t want to start tweaking settings that I don’t really understand with out some guidance. Any help would be appreciated.

Have you checked the color decoding of component vs. DVI with a test pattern DVD like Avia?

It is likely there is red push by default over component, but not over DVI (RGB). The lack of red push would definitely make things look more "cyan" which could be interpreted as greener. Just trying to cover all the bases. Test patterns would really help as far as identifying exactly what is going on.

No, I haven't tried test patterns yet. I have the DVE Video Essentials disc, not AVIA. I will have to check that later on today.

If I do have a "red push" over component is it possible to reproduce that over DVI? The blacks having a green tint over DVI is really annoying.

Blacks having a green tint sounds like a grayscale problem, not color decoding. I thought the issue people were reporting was related to using HDTV color decoding equations on SD material. That would not affect the grayscale, so "green blacks" sounds like it is something else.

Quality..

I think mis-spoke. When I said blacks having a green tint, what I meant was that in darker scenes the green tint problem is much more noticeable then on bright scenes. I do notice the problem with bright scenes as well, just not to the extent of the darker scenes. Sorry about that, still try to get a handle on this stuff.

From what I've read and what I've observed, I think my problem is the HDTV color decodining issue.

Originally posted by Cheezmo
Blacks having a green tint sounds like a grayscale problem, not color decoding. I thought the issue people were reporting was related to using HDTV color decoding equations on SD material. That would not affect the grayscale, so "green blacks" sounds like it is something else.

No Steve, it is not a HDTV color decoding equations on SD material issue. I get the green push via HDMI regardless of whether my ED Panasonic plasma receives 480p/720p/1080i from the 3910.

Although I have noted using HDMI RGB is a bit better than HDMI Y Pb Pr at removing green push. This is not a fix, as I still see a small amount of green tint.

After changing the hue +1, I feel it helps to remove green push a lot more on my 3910.

I'm sure the color isn't D65 accurate as mentioned by someone else, but I can live with it until it gets fixed by Denon. *crossing my fingers*

Originally posted by JasonColeman
If that's what you're going for, then go for it. You can be the first kid on your block with that shiny new HD-DVD player and have all of the other kids ooohing and aaahing...don't worry about the flaws and annoyances and bugs, just flaunt it 'cause you got it. Who cares if you really like it...

Jason

You purchase things for "bragging rights, too.

I see the same thing. I get the green push from all DVI resolutions out of the 3910, even 480p. So if its not the HDTV color decoding issue, what is it?

When you changed the hue +1 on the 3910, did that help remove the green push on DVI as well as HDMI, or just over HDMI?

Just for curiosity…..what is D65 accurate color?

jtrutig, from what you said before:

I think mis-spoke. When I said blacks having a green tint, what I meant was that in darker scenes the green tint problem is much more noticeable then on bright scenes. I do notice the problem with bright scenes as well, just not to the extent of the darker scenes. Sorry about that, still try to get a handle on this stuff.

Sounds like a TV calibration issue. D65 is a color standard to which DVDs are mastered. If your display is calibrated to D65 you should see what the DVD "masterer" intended. A guick google search of D65 or 6500K with "video" will provide many sources of info.

larry

Thanks, I'll look it up and educate myself :)

Why do you think it’s a tv calibration issue? I only see the green push over DVI, not component, to me that points to the dvd player. If my tv settings were off, I would see it on both inputs, no?

Some TV's have different settings based on inputs in the service menu. On my Hitachi, there is a brightness setting specifically for the DVI input that doesn't affect any other inputs on the TV.

Dave

Originally posted by jtrutig
No, I haven't tried test patterns yet. I have the DVE Video Essentials disc, not AVIA. I will have to check that later on today.

If I do have a "red push" over component is it possible to reproduce that over DVI? The blacks having a green tint over DVI is really annoying.

I suggest you try this:

Connect the player via Component AND DVI
Change the player setup to output Interlaced and, using DVE and test material, setup your component picture to your liking.
Switch over to DVI on your player and display then set up your DVI settings using DVE and test material.
Now switch between the two on your display with either a DVE color pattern or a paused image of a nice DVD scene.

Note the differences!

If you do have a green cast then it will be really obvious. If so then use one of the M1 - M5 locations on the Picture Adjust menu (via the remote) and adjust up the HUE control on the player settings, while in DVI mode, until the images on Component AND DVI match. (The HUE control does not effect the Interlaced component output so it is easy to get the two images very close by switching back and forth on your display). (Also adjust brightness and contrast in the player setting for your M location to match the Component image if necessary.)

This may not work for other's setups but it did wonders for mine and it completely eliminated the macroblocking that was very evident when using the default settings out of the box. (For some reason there is a link between the player Hue setting and macroblocking with my display - NEC HT-1100 projector and the effect of adjusting Hue in the player is completely different to adjusting it on the display)

ps My Firmware is -8

I suspect that if you see odd color balance issues over DVI/HDMI but not over component, your display is assuming HD colorspace for all DVI/HDMI signals.

I would strongly suspect the display is not handling SD colorspace data input digitally in the correct fashion. It seems far less likely the player is mucking with the color data if you've set all the picture controls to zero.

Originally posted by Auditor55
You purchase things for bragging rights to.
I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, but for some reason that's okay with me.

Jason

And by the way, it would be "for bragging rights, too." :p

Originally posted by Dave Vaughn
Some TV's have different settings based on inputs in the service menu. On my Hitachi, there is a brightness setting specifically for the DVI input that doesn't affect any other inputs on the TV.

Dave

Before I got the 3910, I had my cable box hooked up via DVI and there was no issues with the color. That's another reason why I suspect the issue is with the DVI output of the 3910 and not the display.

Btiltman,

Thanks for the suggestion, I will give it a shot and post the results. I'm going to wait for Denon to send me the firmware - 8 upgrade though. I'm hoping the tweaking will produce a much better picture then the default settings.

Originally posted by Dave Vaughn
Some TV's have different settings based on inputs in the service menu. On my Hitachi, there is a brightness setting specifically for the DVI input that doesn't affect any other inputs on the TV.

Dave

Exactly. Most displays have different settings (in the service mode) that must be adjusted for different scan rates and input types. It is not unusual at all for a component grayscale and DVI grayscale to be completely different on a TV. That is why multiple scan rates/inputs need to be calibrated.

I wouldn't blame the DVD player until I had confirmed with some other source (ideally a test pattern generator) that it isn't a TV issue.

Originally posted by Cheezmo
Exactly. Most displays have different settings (in the service mode) that must be adjusted for different scan rates and input types.

When I look in the service mode menu of my NEC HT-1100 there is a field called 'Color Matrix' but I cannot find any operational mode that allow is to be changed or even viewed. It is always greyed out. I have tried it with a signal, without a signal and in different input settings. Always greyed out.

Would you know how to access that?

Maybe it has to be accessed via the RS232 port and a pc with the NEC setup program?

Thanks,
Bill

Originally posted by JasonColeman
I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, but for some reason that's okay with me.

Jason

And by the way, it would be "for bragging rights, too." :p

Greetings,

Don't worry Jason, Auditor55 won't even open the box on that new HD DVD player. He will just "brag" about the fact that he has it in his closet.
:p


Regards,

Anyone got an update or info on audio dropouts from the 3910 via firewire (iee) cable? I havent even got near the subtle problems like passing BTB and green tints with great gobs of audio dropping out to silence and back up again in the middle of rich soundtracks!
Is this a firmware issue? (I have -5 MR)

tia

I would upgrade firmwares to see if it makes a difference.

Dave

Originally posted by JasonColeman
I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, but for some reason that's okay with me.

Jason

And by the way, it would be "for bragging rights, too." :p

Thanks for the english lesson.

Originally posted by placidman
Greetings,

Don't worry Jason, Auditor55 won't even open the box on that new HD DVD player. He will just "brag" about the fact that he has it in his closet.
:p


Regards,

I really didn't have any shelf space for my 3910(which is still in the closet). I had to sell a few things off, such as a old laserdics and DVD player. Now I have space and going to be setting up the 3910 this weekend.

Any good DVD recommendations?

fifth element, master and commander, debbie does dallas... :D

Originally posted by Auditor55
I really didn't have any shelf space for my 3910(which is still in the closet). I had to sell a few things off, such as a old laserdics and DVD player. Now I have space and going to be setting up the 3910 this weekend.

Any good DVD recommendations?

For video, the usual suspects: Superbit Fifth Element and I like the "We who are about to die" sequence from Gladiator (as well as the opening battle sequence in Germania), lobby shooting spree in Matrix, various parts of SB Spiderman or SB Spiderman 2, Pod Race in Episode 1. Just saw Shark Tale and that was a great looking DVD too. Panic Room is also a nice looking DVD to show off your shadow details. ;)

Audio: U-571 (DTS) for ~20Hz depth charges, Bourne Identity (DTS) the car chase scene, Private Ryan (DTS) first 20 minutes, Gladiator (DTS) any battle scene, Pod Race (DD EX). Hotel California DVD-Audio, Dark Side of the Moon SACD, A Night at the Opera DVD-A, Chesky's 5.1 Surround Show SACD/DVD-A.

I find the 3910 does an incredible job of imaging and creating a deeper soundstage. I had the 2910 for a couple of weeks and upgraded to the 3910 and noticed an appreciable difference in the audio between the two.

Rick

Originally posted by ender21
I find the 3910 does an incredible job of imaging and creating a deeper soundstage. I had the 2910 for a couple of weeks and upgraded to the 3910 and noticed an appreciable difference in the audio between the two.

Rick

Emphasis *appreciable*!

Superbit Legends of the Fall The video on this DVD is fantastic. It won an Academy Award for cinematography.

Open Range for both video and audio (thunderstorms and gunfight scenes).

mismatched, I didn't realize "ddd" was on the recommended list :D

that was for you jazzcat! :D

Originally posted by mismatched
that was for you jazzcat! :D Well, if the girl in fith element ever "DD", I'll buy a Qualia, or 3 chip, or something big..

I'll move to Dallas!:D

Originally posted by jazzcat
Emphasis *appreciable*!

Superbit Legends of the Fall The video on this DVD is fantastic. It won an Academy Award for cinematography.

Open Range for both video and audio (thunderstorms and gunfight scenes).

mismatched, I didn't realize "ddd" was on the recommended list :D

Oh yeah, Open Range is good. I just saw another movie that had a lot of thunder and lightning too, but I don't remember what it was. Cold Mountain maybe? The gunfight in Heat (I wonder how the new version is?), and the scenery in Tombstone as well. I should check out Legends....

Rick

Hi, typrat, concerning the audio dropouts over iLink:

We had a letter sent directly to Denon Japan supposedly, and they, in response sent us/the dealer back a CD with the new version 8 Firmware (for Australia).
I just got the 3910 back a couple of days ago, so I still need to test it properly.
But I think the ‘glitch’ has happened once already, but I wasn't sure, it could have been just me hearing things, and it didn't happen again in the movie to confirm it.

I'll post any updates/findings here in this thread and also in the “Denon 3910 problems thread: Audio” thread HERE (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?threadid=466181&referrerid=7459668) .

I will also post the letter we sent to Denon (slightly edited for privacy) in the Other Thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?threadid=466181&referrerid=7459668), so you can check to see if your audio ‘glitch’ is similar to what mine is, and to see if firmware will fix it or not.

Cheers
KJ
BTW i just got a copy of Digital Video Essentials PAL, and my 3910 can pass BTB no problems, or at least my display shows it :) (I am assuming that BTB means "Blacker than Black" content :o)

Sorry for double-posting, but this may be interesting. Someone claims to have a new region free firmware for the 3910:

Firmware R 6609-9

http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=154394&page=7&pp=15

Haven't tried it yet....

Originally posted by echnaton
Sorry for double-posting, but this may be interesting. Someone claims to have a new region free firmware for the 3910:

Firmware R 6609-9

http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=154394&page=7&pp=15

Haven't tried it yet....

I don't see 6609-9 anywhere for download in that thread. Only 6609-8, and someone's 3910 player got borked using it.

I think I'll wait for the "official" MR -9 firmware from Denon UK. Should hit the forums next week apparently.

This is what he's talking about:

www.sickpuppy.me.uk/6609.zip

Use at your own risk, not my site or file. I downloaded it, but can't seem to burn it onto a disc my 3910 will read properly. I have had this trouble with the Denon Firmware updates before. I am using Nero 6.

Originally posted by echnaton
Haven't tried it yet....

(This is my forst post here so hello everyone :) It's been great to follow this thread!)

I have just updated my FW. I previously had the -5 MR firmware, which had been installed by my reseller. The link above points to a valid firmware, and this is what it yields:
ESS 6609-9
MAKE DAY 202
SYSTEM 6767-3

I have only checked the MR capability of this new firmware (it does work!). Otherwise I have no idea what else it fixes :confused:. I have upgraded to get the fixes from -6 and -8. I also hoped it would help with the BTB but more on this in another post.

Laurent

Originally posted by lxofith
(This is my forst post here so hello everyone :) It's been great to follow this thread!)

I have just updated my FW. I previously had the -5 MR firmware, which had been installed by my reseller. The link above points to a valid firmware, and this is what it yields:
ESS 6609-9
MAKE DAY 202
SYSTEM 6767-3

I have only checked the MR capability of this new firmware (it does work!). Otherwise I have no idea what else it fixes :confused:. I have upgraded to get the fixes from -6 and -8. I also hoped it would help with the BTB but more on this in another post.

Laurent

Laurent,

Thanks for your input. I am presently using -5 region-free firmware which is from January I believe.

Based on your input, I will experiment with -9 and post my results.

risky!

He who Dares..... :)

Originally posted by Spizz
He who Dares..... :)

SUCCESS!!

I have the USA DVD-3910. I installed the -9 region-free firmware posted in the link above. (upgraded from -5 region-free)

It works!

I loaded Army of Darkness Region 3 DVD, as well as Predator 2 Special Edition Region 1 DVD. Both work flawlessly.

Now I will check if "green push" I was getting before has been fixed.

3910 is showing 6609-9 when I turn power off, and press Play-Open/Close together for 3 seconds and press Menu there after.

So, come on...

Jump in the pool, the water's fine!

:)

Originally posted by Rieper
SUCCESS!!

I have the USA DVD-3910. I installed the -9 region-free firmware posted in the link above. (upgraded from -5 region-free)

It works!

I loaded Army of Darkness Region 3 DVD, as well as Predator 2 Special Edition Region 1 DVD. Both work flawlessly.

Now I will check if "green push" I was getting before has been fixed.

3910 is showing 6609-9 when I turn power off, and press Play-Open/Close together for 3 seconds and press Menu there after.

So, come on...

Jump in the pool, the water's fine!


:)

can't recall whether you tested passing BTB using DVE before installing the upgrade. And what is the build date on your 3910. And does it did pass BTB??

thanks

mismatched

My player does pass BTB: Build date Aug 2004

Unfortunately, I spoke too soon on -9 firmware.

With the -9 region free, you lose the ability to enter setup AND picture adjustment.

In other words, when you hit the Setup or Picture adjust on the remote, regardless of whether you have a DVD in the player, you get an error message. You simply can't get into the setup menu AT ALL.

Therefore -9 firmware is a no go for me.

Back to -5 region free firmware for me.

Folks,

Just got a MP3 disk popped it in the 3910 and... no sound.

Put it in the 2900 and.. sound!

What gives?

Anyone have similar problems? I am running -8 firmware(US).

DigiPete

Originally posted by mismatched
can't recall whether you tested passing BTB using DVE before installing the upgrade. And what is the build date on your 3910. And does it did pass BTB??

thanks

mismatched

I have a Sept. 2004 build and much to my chagrin, this player doesn't not pass BTB. I so disappointed I can't wait to return it. Here it is, I have this player connected to Mits Diamond CRT and it has my black levels looking like a stinking LCD, I pissed right about now. The picture looks grainy and washed out, did I say that it doesn't pass blacker than black.:mad:

Originally posted by Rieper
Unfortunately, I spoke too soon on -9 firmware.
With the -9 region free, you lose the ability to enter setup AND picture adjustment.
....
Therefore -9 firmware is a no go for me.


This -9 firmware works fine for me, still can access setup and picture adjust as always. And multi region works fine too (tested 1,2,3,4). This was the version I got from Sadmuppet at

www.sickpuppy.me.uk/6609.zip

Originally posted by Rieper
My player does pass BTB: Build date Aug 2004

Unfortunately, I spoke too soon on -9 firmware.

With the -9 region free, you lose the ability to enter setup AND picture adjustment.

In other words, when you hit the Setup or Picture adjust on the remote, regardless of whether you have a DVD in the player, you get an error message. You simply can't get into the setup menu AT ALL.

Therefore -9 firmware is a no go for me.

Back to -5 region free firmware for me.
Did you try re-initializing the player after installing the new firmware?

--Paul Curtis

I have no problem with the setup nor the pic adjust... and I have the -9 regionfree firmware...:D

Success here as well. It's region-free and no problems with setup or pic adjust.... :)

Originally posted by Rieper
With the -9 region free, you lose the ability to enter setup AND picture adjustment.

As is the case for others, I have no problem accessing the setup and pic adjust menus.

Did you turn your unit off and back on after displaying the version information? I know I did not and when playing the dvd into of 'Catch me if you can' it would open the tray, close it, restart playing the intro, open the tray... you get it. I turned my 3910 off (hard power) and back on and the dvd played like a breeze. This is the first time I had this behavior but may have nothing to do with the upgrade.

Laurent

From what I can tell, my 3910 does not pass BTB. Not sure this is the denon or my display though.

My 3910 is connected to a mits HC2000 via a DVI-DVI cable. I have configured the 3910 to use Enhanced black level (this is what is recommended in the mits manual, I guess the DVI input only accepts PC level) and 0 IRE (though I think the latter is not relevant for DVI or HDMI; it affects analog outputs only).

I don't have DVE yet and Avia does not have a BTB pattern, so to test BTB, I use the THX optimizer of Akira Special Edition (it is a R1 disc). I am unable to see the 3 blackest bars or the drop shadow no matter how high the brightness is on my projector. So it seems the BTB data is clipped somewhere.

Now I have noticed something strange. I can never see black bar #8 (it is as dark as the background; is that 0 or 7.5 IRE?). But depending on the brightness setting of the projector, I can see a greenish outline for black bars 9 and 10 (never for bar 8). What is also really strange is the outline sometimes fades completely if I raise the brightness. Continuing to raise it makes the outlines reappear! :confused:

I have tried all combinations of Normal/Enhanced and 0/7.5 setup but to no avail.

I have the same results with the -5 MR and -9 MR firmwares. I don't know what the build date is (european units seem to not have the white sticker of US units); I got it in december after it was backordered, so it may well be one of those faulty post-august build units.

I have yet to try raising the brightness in the 3910 pic adjust menu instead of the projector.

Originally posted by lxofith
From what I can tell, my 3910 does not pass BTB. Not sure this is the denon or my display though.

It's the Denon 3910 that doesn't show BTB.
My 2910 did give me BTB, but after upgrading to 3910, BTB doesn't appear anymore.

I guess the DVI input only accepts PC level
I believe that's your problem if indeed "Enchanced black levels" converts video->PC levels. RGB 16 and below is converted to 0. No below black will ever be transmitted.

larry

I mostly look at PAL movies, so I have set up my 3910 to use Auto2 for progressive display.

Yesterday, I have put in the first DVD of Friends season 1 (R2 PAL transfer). The denon kept alternating bewteen film and video modes (f<->v on the front panel display). I could clearly see deinterlacing artefacts when the player was switching from video to film mode (also video mode looks softer).

Remembering the various options of the deinterlacer, I went into the setup menu (that thing should really be accessible more easily) and selected video1. This did not seem to have any effect. IIRC someone said the new setting would not become active until after the disc was reloaded (same as SACD layer selection where you must stop playback) so I open/closed the tray and started watching the episode again. The player kept on switching nonetheless! I tried all 5 modes but could not see any difference whatsoever.

Has someone experienced this already? Do you know how to make sure the player stays locked in video mode?

Also on the practical side, I would really like this setting to become active at once. It may not be too much of a problem for DVDs that are all film or video, but with all the bonuses we get, the two often get mixed in the same chapter, or at least the same disc.

Laurent

Originally posted by PooperScooper
I believe that's your problem if indeed "Enchanced black levels" converts video->PC levels. RGB 16 and below is converted to 0. No below black will ever be transmitted.

larry

Yes, which is why I have also tested with Normal so that below 16 is not lost. Even in this mode I am unable to see the 3 blackest bars.

I've just tried raising the brightness in the picture adjust menu but it has the same effect as raising it at the projector.

Laurent

More information on this subject. The episodes stay mostly in film mode. Video switches are usually short (sub-second) bur can be several seconds long on occasion.

I have found one does not need to go into the setup menu to change progressive mode, you can do that with the 'video mode' button on the front panel. It does not seem to change the value in the setup menu, so I would assume the setting takes effect immediatey. Of course I cannot confirm that since I cannot see any difference between those values. The value reverts to that of the setup menu once you reload a disc.

I have come across a strange behavior of the 3910. It is connected to my TV using the scart output (RGB mode). I can go into a mode where the scart output looks like it has macrovision protection (very strong green tint).

Here are the steps to reproduce this behavior:
- turn squeeze mode on (with a disc in the player or not)
- eject the disc if there was one in the player
- load a dvd
- image on TV looks green (DVI output is unaffected)

This only happens after you turn squeeze mode on. If squeze mode is on, the next disc you load displays correctly.

Component output is also unaffected by this behavior. I have not tested the other outputs.

Originally posted by typrat
This -9 firmware works fine for me, still can access setup and picture adjust as always. And multi region works fine too (tested 1,2,3,4). This was the version I got from Sadmuppet at

www.sickpuppy.me.uk/6609.zip

Yippee!

I tried downloading again, and now Picture Adjust and Setup works. And my Region 1/2/3 DVDs works as before. Back to -9 region-free...

Right now I feel like a Meth addict; one minute high, the next low, and now high again.

Originally posted by lxofith
Yes, which is why I have also tested with Normal so that below 16 is not lost. Even in this mode I am unable to see the 3 blackest bars.

I've just tried raising the brightness in the picture adjust menu but it has the same effect as raising it at the projector.

Laurent

As I have just hooked up my 3910 to my DLP with a component cable, I have checked BTB again. There is no difference here either: I cannot see any of the blackest bars. Projector should not clip blacks here as it could with its PC DVI input, so I assume my 3910 cannot pass BTB (not a big surprise).

BTW, I was able to see what the DVI green push looks like. I am using the -9 firmware so it seems it does not fix this particular issue :(.

Originally posted by Rieper
Yippee!

I tried downloading again, and now Picture Adjust and Setup works. And my Region 1/2/3 DVDs works as before. Back to -9 region-free...

Right now I feel like a Meth addict; one minute high, the next low, and now high again.

Glad it finally worked for you :)

Tell us if you can see any difference with the previous firmwares. Up 'til now, I could not :p

OK, I am going to stop testing/calibrating for while and actually see something and enjoy this player. The 3910 may have some issues but it is actually a great piece of hardware. I guess we are all only trying to get the very best of it ;)

Hi, I need some help from some of the many experts on this forum..

I just bought a Japanese Denon 3910 today, as a replacement for a Pioneer 737. I live in Japan, but most of my DVDs are from the UK so I need to play back PAL on NTSC TVs. The Pioneer only outputs PAL for PAL DVDs, but the Samsung VHS video recorder I was using for PAL-NTSC conversion recently died, and I figured it better to upgrade my DVD rather than buying a new VHS player..

Having bought the Denon, I immediately tried it out with a few DVDs (one Japanese, one UK, one US). As expected, the first two played back and the third did not. The ones that played back seemed a little zoomed in, but I didn't pay much attention as my next step after confirming it worked was to upgrade to multiregion.

I installed the most recent multiregion firmware (version 9, I believe)

My first test disk was Snatch (Region 1, US, RCE encoded). Although the menu loaded up fine, the DVD player refused to accept any of the up/down/left/right keys (instead displaying the icon to show that the key was not allowed on the current screen). I could use the select key, but without being able to move about this was a bit useless...

I can live with this problem, but the problem I discovered next was far worse and may mean I need to return it... Apologies if this has been asked/answered a thousand times before but I've tried googling and reading these forums with no luck in finding anything similar...

Anyway, I tried a US copy of Lord of the Rings, and although the menu worked fine, the picture seemed way too zoomed in. On the DVD player menu, I discovered a Squeeze Mode. When turned on, the picture is squeezed into the centre of the TV screen and is pretty unwatchable, but its clear that there is a large amount of the display being cut out when squeeze mode is off (perhaps 20 pixels on each edge).

My TV is a Sony Qualia 005 LCD and the setup worked fine for TV broadcasts, and with my previous Pioneer DVD player and my Toshiba RD-XS53 HDD/DVD recorder. The TV picture setting is on Full, and there doesn't seem to be a way to change it to display more of the picture being sent to it. The overscan setting on the TV is already on minimum.

I have tried pretty much every setting on both the TV and the Denon 3910 to improve things but to no avail - I can use the horizontal and vertical offset on the Denon to confirm that there's more picture than I can see at any one time, but I can't find any way to squeeze it onto the screen all at once.

I'm currently using component connections, although that's temporary (the store I bought it from had no HDMI cables in stock, but I'll be getting one soon, assuming the DVD player isn't actually incompatible with my TV). Any chance this is a problem that will be resolved by using HDMI?

I'm not sure if it could be the new firmware I installed - unfortunately I only spent 5 minutes with my DVD player before installing the firmware, but my gut feeling was that the picture seemed too zoomed in even before installing...

Incidentally, I recently bought a cheap and nasty Nextwave DVD player for my bedroom, paired with a Sony 17" LCD. That combo has exactly the same problem with lots of clipping from every edge of the screen... I assumed it was due to the cheapness of the DVD player, but now I am not so sure.

Any ideas? I really don't want to have to return the Denon as I've been reading about it and looking forward to buying one for months (in fact, until a few days back I'd been intending to buy the 2910 but got tempted by the possibility of an even better picture)

It could be the sony displays cutting your picture rather than the Denon.
On my D3910 I have 0% overscan and no cut. That's verified through the Digital Video Essentials calibration disc.

I also know for a fact that the new projector from sony HS-51 had lots of image cut of in the projected image.

I belive both your Qualia and 17" from sony are the "bad" ones in your case.

I had success today with the ESS6690-9 Region Free on my June 04 player. Indeed region free, no other improvements that I notice. And no DL3 either.

Originally posted by Sam Scamardo
I had success today with the ESS6690-9 Region Free on my June 04 player. Indeed region free, no other improvements that I notice. And no DL3 either.

Notice any "green push" before or after the upgrade?

I need further testing on the -9 firmware before I can be sure the green push is finally gone.

Would someone that has upgraded to -9 be able to post the different system firmware versions after the upgrade?

Here's how to check:

1. Turn the small power button off on the front of the unit.
2. Hold down the PLAY and OPEN/CLOSE buttons on the front of the unit, both at the same time.
3. Turn the power back on and continue holding the buttons for 3 seconds, then let go.
4. After “>II LOADING” shows on the display, press the 3,2,6,5 buttons on the remote (in that order) and then press the MENU button to see the version. Press MENU again five times to see the other settings for the firmware.

Thanks,
Bill

Anyone have issues with MP3 playback...anyone?


Originally posted by DigiPete
Folks,

Just got a MP3 disk popped it in the 3910 and... no sound.

Put it in the 2900 and.. sound!

What gives?

Anyone have similar problems? I am running -8 firmware(US).

DigiPete

Thread

Not to beat a dead horse but does anyone have a 3910 with a Sept 04 or later build that clearly passes a BTB signal using the DVE calibration disk?

Just tried. No problems with MP3s....

Originally posted by btiltman
Would someone that has upgraded to -9 be able to post the different system firmware versions after the upgrade?

See this post:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=5282303#post5282303

Originally posted by Rieper
Notice any "green push" before or after the upgrade?

I need further testing on the -9 firmware before I can be sure the green push is finally gone.

I have never seen any green push with my 3910. I use 480p component. I started out with firmware "0" (original 06-04 firmware), and been through -5,-6,-8,-9 and they all look great. No green push confirmed by ISF calibrator Steve Martin, as well.

Originally posted by lxofith
See this post:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=5282303#post5282303

I saw that but unfortunately it doesnt list all the results.

I was interested in whether the drive firmware was upgraded, cant remember exactly, but it has DRV in the name as you cycle through

Originally posted by btiltman
I saw that but unfortunately it doesnt list all the results.

I was interested in whether the drive firmware was upgraded, cant remember exactly, but it has DRV in the name as you cycle through

Only the firmware version and makeday (202) have changed with this -9 version. All other versions are the same as they've always been.

Hi again,

I just have a quick question regarding the different aspects of the firmware, and what they actually refer to.
When you scroll though the firmware options on the 3910 you get the following:

ESS ****-*
MAKE DAY ***
DRV ******
SYSTEM ****-**
DSP ****
CNE ********

Bar 'make day', what do all these actually stand for, what part of the DVD player do each effect?
And with the 'make day' one, is there a way to translate the number given there into a comprehensible date?

Thanks, and sorry if this has already been asked before, but I couldn't find it, and was interested :)

Cheers
KJ

Originally posted by Sam Scamardo
Only the firmware version and makeday (202) have changed with this -9 version. All other versions are the same as they've always been.

Thanks Sam...... FYI the SYSTEM one did change from 6767-2 to 6767-3 somewhere around the -5 upgrade.

I dont think I will play with -9. I am so pleased with the 3910 with -8, I just dont see how the picture can be improved. If a significant reason comes to light for the -9 upgrade I may consider it then.

Originally posted by Krazykaj

MAKE DAY ***


Bar 'make day', what do all these actually stand for, what part of the DVD player do each effect?
And with the 'make day' one, is there a way to translate the number given there into a comprehensible date?


Makeday 831 is August 31st.
Makeday 114 is January 14th.

1st number is the month, second number is the date of that month.

It only tells you how "old" the firmware is, or when it was released.

Thankyou tor ove,

so it does not actually tell you the make day of the unit, only the firmware release date.
How do you tell the make day of the unit itself then?

thankyou
KJ

How do you tell the make day of the unit itself then?

There is a sticker on the back of the unit with the build date. On my unit it is below and to the right of the serial number.

I think there is a output problem connecting the Denon 3910 to the iScan HD+ via DVI. The DVI output of the HD+ is connected to the Panasonic 50PHD7 via the DVI board. Or could it be a HD+ DVI input from the Denon 3910? I am hoping I could get some answers by posting here. Cant find any similar problems here or maybe anyone is curious to check it out and report, that would be great!

The setup for this:

3910: DVI on, set to 480P/576P, PAL
HD+: output format set to 480P
Panny: according to the DVI manual, 480P-60 and 576P-50 are supported, among some other timings. HDCP: Auto, Output: DVI (PC)

When you play Stars Wars (eg) with this setup, all you get is a 1-sec flash of the movie on the plasma and all go blue screen.

But when I set the HD+'s HDCP to OFF, I get an alternating 1-sec flash of the movie and 1-sec blue screen on the plasma.
I then checked the HD+ Information page while this is happening, I can see that the DVI input does through a cycle of 'No signal', '576P', and 'Passthrough', this resulting in the 1-sec movie and 1-sec blue screen issue.

Some of you might be thinking there is a DVI problem with the 50PHD7. But its not. Because I get picture when the 3910 is directly connected to the DVI input of the 50PHD7 and its over HDCP. 3910 settings: 480P or 720P or 1080i (on NTSC), 576P (on PAL). So there is no problem with the Panny DVI inputs and the 3910 DVI inputs.

Also, there is no problem with the HD+ DVI output to the Panny via DVI. I have tested it with SKY+ at XGA, 480P, 576P. However it did not work at 1366X768P - 60Hz even though the Panny DVI manual said so. Different issue.

So in conclusion, there is a problem with the HD+ handling a DVI input from the 3910. Or maybe there is a setting on the 3910 which I may have missed. Can someone from iScan help me out here?

Originally posted by MarkStega
There is a sticker on the back of the unit with the build date. On my unit it is below and to the right of the serial number.

From memory, i am nearly 100% sure that there is no sticker on the back of my unit anywhere with the date.
Is there no other way to confirm the actual build date?
I have an Australian model, does that make a difference, i shouldn't think so?

thanks again for the help,

Cheers
KJ

Originally posted by DigiPete
Anyone have issues with MP3 playback...anyone?

No, i personally have had no problems yet with MP3 playback on the 3910. It has played fine for me, as any other player i have had.

Is the 3910 actually 'playing' the disk, as in, can you navigate it, see what track is playing, and numbers are ticking over etc. just there is no sound?
Or, is it when you put the CD in, there is absolutly nothing happening, either an error message, or just a blank screen?

If ther former, how is you 3910 connected, and do you have it setup correctly, same goes for the amp.

If the latter:
How exactly are you burning your CD's?
What makes it a bit strange though, is that you did say that you played the disk on another player and it worked fine, so i am not too sure what is going on with your unit? Is there any way that you can go and try your disk in another 3910, maybe at some store?

Also, just to double check, have you read carefully the notes in the manual on MP3 playback. In my copy it is on Page 74, chapter 22 entitled 'PLAYING MP3'.
especially note the notes :) in the latter half of the notes section stating what is incompatible with the 3910.

hope your problem gets solved:-)

cheers
KJ

KJ,

Unfortunately, I have not seen any display of the build date (other than the firmware 'Make day') on the 3910 status displays. I just thought that everyone was looking at the production date sticker?

Anyone else know how to get the manufacture dte of the unit itself?

I bought a Japanese Denon 3910 yesterday to go with my Qualia 005 tv, and reported in this thread about some problems I had with a zoomed in picture. Well, the problems still exist with my component cable but I'm relieved to say that the HDMI cable I bought today eradicates the problem entirely (so the component cable problem is irrelevant). Additionally, the menu problems I had with my Region 1 copy of Snatch also disappeared - perhaps that was related to the fact that it was the first DVD I tried after upgrading the firmware. Very pleased with the player so far!

The -9 firmware upgrade is out??? when?

Originally posted by tor ove
Makeday 831 is August 31st.
Makeday 114 is January 14th.

1st number is the month, second number is the date of that month.

It only tells you how "old" the firmware is, or when it was released.

Interesting. What is makeday B08 as provided with -6 firmware?

Originally posted by ssabripo
The -9 firmware upgrade is out??? when?

I belive it's here:
www.sickpuppy.me.uk/6609.zip

Works fine.

I have a completely off the wall question:

Other than the main power button, is there any feature/menu/function that is accessible from the faceplate controls that is NOT accessible from the remote?

I know it sounds like a silly question.

No, it's all on the remote as well.
(Except for service things as initialize and display firmware info).

Thanks

That's not true. You cannot turn on squeeze mode from the remote (unless you go into the menu to permanently change the default). If you want to leave your default settings as is, you can only turn on squeeze mode (or change the resolution, or change from Auto 1 to 2, etc) at the front panel.

I get the question as; "is there any thing on the the player I can't do unless I get out of my sofa and use the front face buttons?"

I belive you have the posibility to activate and de-activate squeeze-mode from the remote.
And yes, it's a bit more buttons to push, a few menus to guide through, but still possible to do with the remote.

I may be wrong, but I believe the only way to do it with the remote is to change the default (changing it at the front panel just changes it for the inserted DVD and leaves the default as is).

Originally posted by Sam Scamardo
Interesting. What is makeday B08 as provided with -6 firmware?

Well, if month is the first digit only, you obviously can't use the decimal system to represent months, as you'd lose some. The engineers at Denon must have used hexadecimal, which would make B stand for november (assuming 1 is january).

So B08 would be november 8th.

Originally posted by BillP
I may be wrong, but I believe the only way to do it with the remote is to change the default (changing it at the front panel just changes it for the inserted DVD and leaves the default as is).

That's right. I agree with you. It is default change, (but still possible to do with remote)

Originally posted by Krazykaj
From memory, i am nearly 100% sure that there is no sticker on the back of my unit anywhere with the date.
Is there no other way to confirm the actual build date?
I have an Australian model, does that make a difference, i shouldn't think so?
KJ

I also have an Australian model which does NOT have a build date sticker.
(Unless it is underneath where I cant look at the moment)

Thought I was going mad not being able to find it as directed by others!

Bill

When you check the version....what does the CNE value stand for?
Sure looks like a date...does anybody know what it is?

CNE 20040609

When you check the version....what does the CNE value stand for?

I know it is not the build date, as my unit has the same value for CNE (20040609), but has the build date sticker of August 2004.

Originally posted by MarkStega
I know it is not the build date, as my unit has the same value for CNE (20040609), but has the build date sticker of August 2004.


Too bad....because mine doesn't have a build date sticker either :(

One poster on this forum (http://www.hometheaterspot.com/htsthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/705287/an/0/page/0/gonew/1#UNREAD) reports having received a DVD-3910 firmware CD for version *-9. May be Denon firmware upgrade website (http://www.usa.denon.com/support/upgrades.asp) website will be updated soon.....(unfortunately, looks like BTB issue still remains unresolved).

Guess I have to watch Star Wars Episode 2 tomorrow to see if the -9 MR has the fix :-)

Don't know if it had noticable video & sound interruption before though...

Just updated my DVD-3910 with the RegionFree firmware and now get-

ESS 6609-9
MAKEDAY 202
DRV 030825
SYS 6767-2
DSP 6770
CNE 20040609

Originally posted by btiltman
Thanks Sam...... FYI the SYSTEM one did change from 6767-2 to 6767-3 somewhere around the -5 upgrade.



Interesting. My system still shows 6767-2 with -9 version.

edit: (bummer)

Originally posted by Sam Scamardo
Interesting. My system still shows 6767-2 with -9 version.

Looks like the Aus market ones have -3 for SYSTEM.

The reason I noticed System changes from -2 to -3 was when I used a downloaded region free firmware. System was -2 with the overseas software and then I had the firmware upgraded to -8 locally and System changed to -3.

hi everyone,
i need your help.i have 3910 conected with az-9 yamaha and i want to ask when i put dvd audio dd recorded,the az9 show "multi pcm" it should be showing dolby digital isnt it? which of them need to be fixed.the az-9 or the 3910 and what do i do to fix it...thanks all

Anyone be able to correct the green tint problem with the 3910?

Originally posted by Auditor55
Anyone be able to correct the green tint problem with the 3910?

Any chance this could be your display? Or the HD/SD colorspace issue I suggested to you earlier?

There have been at least 3 professional reviews (Audioholics, Secrets, Sound&Vision) and not one has pointed out any problems with color accuracy. Mine looks fine and measured accurate color levels per my ISF tech.

Originally posted by Auditor55
Anyone be able to correct the green tint problem with the 3910?

Funny you should ask. After receiving my Sony HS51 projector back from the service center, I quickly connected (via HDMI) my 3910.

Using HDMI Y-Pb-Pr, I found no trace of green push. BTB is still passing fine as well. I am using the -9 firmware released a few days ago which has region-free playback.

I still have to connect it to my Panasonic plasma though to verify if green push is officially gone with the -9 firmware. I received my 3910 after sending away my HS51 projector over a month ago. So I never could test green push on the sony hs51.

However, I'll post my findings with the Panny plasma via HDMI + the -9 firmware, tonight... Hopefully, I wont find green push on the Panny plasma as I have in the past.

Hi everyone,
This is great! I am glad there is a 3910 thread for us owners. I bought my HT system including the 3910 in January. After finding out about the Qualia 006, I bought one and returned the 70" Sony GW LCD, but decided to keep the 3910 even though HD DVD and Blu-Ray is around the corner. The player is simply amazing.

This question might have been asked already, but I have no time to read all the pages.

1) Since the Qualia has such a great scaler and because recommendations from other Qualia owners, I have set the 3910 to 480p and then change the menu setting for video output from progressive to interlaced to leave the Qualia to do the scaler for me. Even though the screen on the player still says 480p, is it now 480i? Also would it be better PQ if it was set to just 480p?

2) I have the Bose 321 GS which the 3910 is connected to via toslink. When I tried to play a SACD, there was no sound. I called up my rep at the store where I bought the 3910, and he said that the Bose 321 though similates 5.1, is not a true 5.1 system and won't be able to play SACD. Is this true? Though the 3910 sounds great with a CD, I'd like to hear what a SACD sounds like. I haven't tried DVD-A yet. Will I have no sound also with that? Please help!!!!! :D

Originally posted by Sam Scamardo
Any chance this could be your display? Or the HD/SD colorspace issue I suggested to you earlier?

There have been at least 3 professional reviews (Audioholics, Secrets, Sound&Vision) and not one has pointed out any problems with color accuracy. Mine looks fine and measured accurate color levels per my ISF tech.

Well you know that thread mostly dealt with Zenith 318 player. Also, what others were suggesting, is just to much to have go through just to get one input working right. I will connect my cable box via DVI to see if I'm getting a green push. Also, when I had the Samsung 841 hooked up via DVI I don't remember seeing any green push.

Any news of a fix for the btb problem?

Originally posted by kaduku
Hi everyone,
This is great! I am glad there is a 3910 thread for us owners. I bought my HT system including the 3910 in January. After finding out about the Qualia 006, I bought one and returned the 70" Sony GW LCD, but decided to keep the 3910 even though HD DVD and Blu-Ray is around the corner. The player is simply amazing.

This question might have been asked already, but I have no time to read all the pages.

1) Since the Qualia has such a great scaler and because recommendations from other Qualia owners, I have set the 3910 to 480p and then change the menu setting for video output from progressive to interlaced to leave the Qualia to do the scaler for me. Even though the screen on the player still says 480p, is it now 480i? Also would it be better PQ if it was set to just 480p?

2) I have the Bose 321 GS which the 3910 is connected to via toslink. When I tried to play a SACD, there was no sound. I called up my rep at the store where I bought the 3910, and he said that the Bose 321 though similates 5.1, is not a true 5.1 system and won't be able to play SACD. Is this true? Though the 3910 sounds great with a CD, I'd like to hear what a SACD sounds like. I haven't tried DVD-A yet. Will I have no sound also with that? Please help!!!!! :D

What's the build date on your 3910 ? and is it passing btb?

BTW, what are you doing with a Bose system like that if you own a Qualia?

SA-CD (DSD) is not PCM, of course it won't play sending it via toslink. You need a receiver or pre/pro with 5.1 channel inputs or one of them Denon or Pioneer Elite top of the line receivers with 1394, Denon link, Ilink etc. to hear SACD.

You have a "state of the art TV" I suggest that you get a state of the art A/V system.

Originally posted by kaduku

2) I have the Bose 321 GS which the 3910 is connected to via toslink. When I tried to play a SACD, there was no sound. I called up my rep at the store where I bought the 3910, and he said that the Bose 321 though similates 5.1, is not a true 5.1 system and won't be able to play SACD. Is this true? Though the 3910 sounds great with a CD, I'd like to hear what a SACD sounds like. I haven't tried DVD-A yet. Will I have no sound also with that? Please help!!!!! :D

SACD is put out through the 5.1 analogue outputs, and denon-link or the IEE1394 if you're using that.
SACD can't be sent through digital outs a toslink og coax.

Originally posted by tor ove
SACD is put out through the 5.1 analogue outputs, and denon-link or the IEE1394 if you're using that.
SACD can't be sent through digital outs a toslink og coax.

tor ove,
Please bear with my questions and responses because I am just a AV Wannabe. So you're saying that if I use any of those methods other than the toslink, I will hear beautiful music? If this is the case, how can I listen to SACD stuff and still have the toslink connected for my DVD viewing? Also how's the setup with the analog outputs?

No sacd over denon link.

kaduku, run an analog pair from the 3910 to the 321 and you will hear SACD

Originally posted by Tom Grooms
kaduku, run an analog pair from the 3910 to the 321 and you will hear SACD

I can't believe I listened to that guy at Magnolia/Best Buy. I returned all the SACDs that I bought and they even gave me a hard time returning the stuff. My argument was that the player and Bose 321 that they sold me combined (per them) couldn't play SACD. Any recommendations on the type of analog pair to use? Also I assume that I can leave the toslink alone and just switch to SACD on the 3910.

Originally posted by Tom Grooms
No sacd over denon link.

Its just been approved for the Denon link.

approval or not, still no SACD over D-link with the 3910

Originally posted by Tom Grooms
approval or not, still no SACD over D-link with the 3910


OK, you wan't to be right. Fine, no SA-CD over D-link.;)

Well, I just met with my salesperson at Magnolia/Best Buy again. He tells me again that since my Bose 321 GS is only 2 channel, only simulates 5.1, and does not have a SACD encoder, it will not play the SACD. He did say that I can run analog cables from the 3910 to the Bose, and I may have sound, but it will not be the SACD sound. He also said that this goes for the DVD audio. Anyone with input on this dilemma of mine, because if I knew this from the start, I would have just bought a real 5.1 system with the 3910.

What if you just play 2-channel stereo rather than simulate 5-channel? It should then be SACD quality (assuming analog cables), albeit stereo only. If the Bose does not play SACD, I'd return it if possible.

Originally posted by BillP
What if you just play 2-channel stereo rather than simulate 5-channel? It should then be SACD quality (assuming analog cables), albeit stereo only. If the Bose does not play SACD, I'd return it if possible.

Yes, I just called my sales rep and since it's passed the return date, he will try to talk to the manager to make an exception. Looks like I will just go to the true 5.1 system Yeah baby!!!!!!!! Might as well make it a true HT :D

Thanks everyone for your input, though I haven't received any input from my first question above! Help!!!!!

Originally posted by kaduku
Thanks everyone for your input, though I haven't received any input from my first question above! Help!!!!!

Which question, speficially?

Originally posted by Sam Scamardo
Which question, speficially?

Sorry this one :D

1) Since the Qualia has such a great scaler and because recommendations from other Qualia owners, I have set the 3910 to 480p and then change the menu setting for video output from progressive to interlaced to leave the Qualia to do the scaler for me. Even though the screen on the player still says 480p, is it now 480i? Also would it be better PQ if it was set to just 480p?

Hi kaduku

Please let us know how you are connected to the Qualia 006?
Component, DVI/HDMI, SVideo........?
If you are connected via DVI/HDMI then it should not matter where you do the scaling as it is a digital connection.
However, if you are using component or SVideo you will be introducing extra digital to analogue/analogue to digital conversions and this is not recommended.

J

Originally posted by Auditor55
OK, you wan't to be right. Fine, no SA-CD over D-link.;)

It's been approved for SACD 2.0, a different animal than what is in current Denon equipment. SACD 2.0 equipment will probably hit the market in 18-24 mos.

Originally posted by J SLAYZ
Hi kaduku

Please let us know how you are connected to the Qualia 006?
Component, DVI/HDMI, SVideo........?
If you are connected via DVI/HDMI then it should not matter where you do the scaling as it is a digital connection.
However, if you are using component or SVideo you will be introducing extra digital to analogue/analogue to digital conversions and this is not recommended.

J

IIRC, the 3910 only outputs 480i over component, DVI and HDMI are 480p and above only..

Originally posted by kaduku
Sorry this one :D

1) Since the Qualia has such a great scaler and because recommendations from other Qualia owners, I have set the 3910 to 480p and then change the menu setting for video output from progressive to interlaced to leave the Qualia to do the scaler for me. Even though the screen on the player still says 480p, is it now 480i? Also would it be better PQ if it was set to just 480p?

Well if your Qualia says 480p, then that is likely the input signal it is receiving. You may want to double check your Denon settings. What is the native resolution of your Qualia? 1920x1080? 480p from the denon would be good. The Qualia has good scaler, but the deinterlacer from the Denon is probably better.

Sam,


I just fed my Mits a HD signal from my cable box via DVI, no green push at all. I have my cable box hooked up via component and DVI, neither connection exhibited the green push. Do you think my 3910 is defective? Should I download the new firmware? BTW, when I punched in my S/N it came up with FW ver. 8, I know its a 9 already, do have download ver. 8 before I can get ver. 9?

Auditor55,

You won't see any problems with HD via the DVI input because the signal has the native HD color parameters which your TV is properly decoding. Signals sent from your 3910 originated as SD 480i images, which are upscaled to 1080i which your TV "thinks" is HD. This could be the reason your greens are off. Please, read this thread:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=411532

Firmware version -8 is probably fine. Use -9 if you want multi-region capability. You don't have to go sequentially for updates. You could jump straight to -9 if you want.

Originally posted by Sam Scamardo
Auditor55,

You won't see any problems with HD via the DVI input because the signal has the native HD color parameters which your TV is properly decoding. Signals sent from your 3910 originated as SD 480i images, which are upscaled to 1080i which your TV "thinks" is HD. This could be the reason your greens are off. Please, read this thread:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=411532

Firmware version -8 is probably fine. Use -9 if you want multi-region capability. You don't have to go sequentially for updates. You could jump straight to -9 if you want.

I will try that.

Originally posted by Sam Scamardo
Well if your Qualia says 480p, then that is likely the input signal it is receiving. You may want to double check your Denon settings. What is the native resolution of your Qualia? 1920x1080? 480p from the denon would be good. The Qualia has good scaler, but the deinterlacer from the Denon is probably better.

This is also for J SLAYZ,

There is nothing on the Qualia that is indicating 480p. I am using HDMI to HDMI. The native resolution on the Qualia is 1920x1080. So if you're saying that 480p from the Denon is okay, then should I leave that video output setting to progressive?

Originally posted by kaduku
There is nothing on the Qualia that is indicating 480p. I am using HDMI to HDMI. The native resolution on the Qualia is 1920x1080. So if you're saying that 480p from the Denon is okay, then should I leave that video output setting to progressive?

Yeah, you're probably OK then. You could get some test discs like DVE and look for ringing on sharp lines or other scaling artifacts and see which resolution is best. Either 480p or 720p should be great.

Originally posted by Sam Scamardo
Auditor55,

You won't see any problems with HD via the DVI input because the signal has the native HD color parameters which your TV is properly decoding. Signals sent from your 3910 originated as SD 480i images, which are upscaled to 1080i which your TV "thinks" is HD. This could be the reason your greens are off. Please, read this thread:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=411532

Firmware version -8 is probably fine. Use -9 if you want multi-region capability. You don't have to go sequentially for updates. You could jump straight to -9 if you want.

I read the entire thread and I found people having more trouble upscaling via component using the 318 than they did with DVI. BTW, I still get that green color push when setting the DVI output at 480P.

I was able to reduce it a bit by selecting Manual instead of Auto ,which allows me to use Perfect Color settings on my Mits, by turning down the green from 31 to about 20.

Well the problem could be (someone corrrect me here if I'm wrong), that your TV is applying a different set of color decoding to all DVI resolutions. This goes against some beliefs as to whether or not DVI always uses RGB color sent from the source component, but there's still some uncertainty on this subject.

Can you try with component or even S-video cables to see if the color changes?

Originally posted by Sam Scamardo
Well the problem could be (someone corrrect me here if I'm wrong), that your TV is applying a different set of color decoding to all DVI resolutions. This goes against some beliefs as to whether or not DVI always uses RGB color sent from the source component, but there's still some uncertainty on this subject.

Can you try with component or even S-video cables to see if the color changes?

My 3910 is hooked up via component as well, no green tint, although the colors are bit washed out and it doesn't pass btb through component. I might exchange this player for another one, just to see if I can get one that will pass btb.

Originally posted by Auditor55
My 3910 ...... doesn't pass btb through component. I might exchange this player for another one, just to see if I can get one that will pass btb.

If you are talking about getting another 3910 and it has a Sept -Jan build good luck! The prediction based on jazzcat's experience is that the exchange unit will also NOT pass BTB unless you get lucky and it has a June, July or possibly Aug build date!

Originally posted by mismatched
If you are talking about getting another 3910 and it has a Sept -Jan build good luck! The prediction based on jazzcat's experience is that the exchange unit will also NOT pass BTB unless you get lucky and it has a June, July or possibly Aug build date!

Do you think its a good chance of getting one with a July-Aug date?

i have a question regarding to dvd audio listening from the 3910,when play dvd audio i get the "multi pcm" on my az-9 rsciever...is that right?shouldnt it show "d digital" since on the dvd audio disk there is a dolby digital logo.
when played dvd audio dts encoded,the az-9 show "dts" on the display screen...can anyone help me on this issue plz?
thanks all

DVD-Audio DVD's generally have the three following audio formats on it:

Hi Resolution uncompressed PCM multichannel Audio (or MultiPCM as you Z9 will say)
DD or DTS or Both (i.e a compressed multi channel audio sound track)
PCM Stereo

What the Z9 is displaying is correct, most people have the 3910 player decode the Hi-Res audio in their player and then send out the 'decoded' signals via 6 analog connections.
But you have an iLink connection, which sends the signal as is on the DVD-Audio disk, directly to the Z9 and the Z9 itself then converts it, which is a good thing.

To get your 3910 to play the Dolby Bigital track on your DVD-Audio, you need to change a setting on the player, otherwise it will play the Multi Channel Hi-Res audio. Which is what you want as it is a million times better :)

Cheers
KJ

thank you kj,

so there is nothing wrong with the connections and the settings right?
coming to think of it,when i change the I LINK to OFF,and using the analog cables i did saw the D.DIGITAL on the az-9 display but only on the multi chanell section of the az-9...does it make sence then? as someone who has the same combo and also knows more then i do,your explanation means a great deal for me...just want to reasure that i am fixed ok with my eqipment !
thanks

Yes, that is correct.
When using the Multi Channel IN on the Z9, it will interpret/process it as a ‘Dolby Digital’ signal (even though it is not and obviously it will be of much higher sound quality) it is just how the Z9, unless in Pure Direct mode, will work with the signal. This means you can also add processing like EX or PLIIx to the Multi Channel IN signals.

But the iLink connection should be your preference over using the analog connection. I think you will find having the Z9 do everything itself from Bass Management to Speaker distances etc. will make everything easier and you won’t have to worry about setting up the 3910’s audio to work seamlessly with the Z9.
Also I think the Z9 sounds a bit better when it is doing the processing/decoding, instead of the 3910.
So yeah, generally i would always reccommend for DVD-A and SACD, use the iLink.

Cheers :)
KJ

thank you so much kj,
as always you have been great help for me and i thank you for it !!
god bless,,

So with these later production runs having BTB issues, does this affect the Secrets rating? It should!

Originally posted by Auditor55
My 3910 is hooked up via component as well, no green tint, although the colors are bit washed out and it doesn't pass btb through component. I might exchange this player for another one, just to see if I can get one that will pass btb.

Because you are seeing proper colors through the component outputs leads me to believe the "green" issues you are having are a display problem, not the 3910. I could be wrong, however.

Even if you get an older model that passes BTB, it is unlikey to affect picture quality. As discussed on this and other threads, BTB ability is mainly to help you set black levels initially. Don't be surprised if you black level/picture look the exact same with a player passing BTB.

Originally posted by Sam Scamardo
Because you are seeing proper colors through the component outputs leads me to believe the "green" issues you are having are a display problem, not the 3910. I could be wrong, however.

Even if you get an older model that passes BTB, it is unlikey to affect picture quality. As discussed on this and other threads, BTB ability is mainly to help you set black levels initially. Don't be surprised if you black level/picture look the exact same with a player passing BTB.

If the probably is with my display that means others with the same set should be experiencing the same problem while trying to use the DVI connection at any resolution, if not that means my set alone is some how defective?

Also, if is my display, that would mean any player, 59avi, Samsung 941, Panny S97 etc I should have this same green push?

As far player passing btb,


This is from the Video Essential FAQ site:

"Black level, additional questions about PLUGE: What am I missing if my DVD player will not pass information below black? How important is it to demand a player that will pass PLUGE? From Video Essentials you are missing the easiest, most accurate way of setting the brightness control. While on that topic, we’ve devised a test pattern for setting black in the computer world, where you can’t go below black, and found that they are nowhere near as easy to use as the pattern we’ve provided in Video Essentials. We’ll tell you how to obtain it in the Resources section.

Otherwise, the reality of missing information below black from a DVD player has a lot to do with how well the display device is calibrated. As picture information approaches black it runs into a hard clip with players that won’t go below black. The soft clip of a properly adjusted TV set will produce a better picture than the hard clip of a DVD player. Of course, without being able to see the reference pattern below black, a properly calibrated display device is difficult to obtain. This effect is more easily seen, and far more disturbing, when there is also a clip in white. Clipping in black often goes hand-in-hand with clipping in white. On the white side of the scale, details in light areas of the picture will be destroyed. Clouds in the sky which have been relegated to patches of solid white are certainly a good example of where white clipping happens."


It seems I would need to use another DVD player to calibrate my set, one that will pass btb, and then hooked up the 3910 using those settings.

Originally posted by Auditor55
If the probably is with my display that means others with the same set should be experiencing the same problem while trying to use the DVI connection at any resolution, if not that means my set alone is some how defective?

Not necessarily. TV's of the same make/model can come out of the factory all over the map. Settings may also vary by resolution (or not). You can't be sure any two will be similarly adjusted.

Also, if is my display, that would mean any player, 59avi, Samsung 941, Panny S97 etc I should have this same green push?

If connected the same way, yes.

Auditor55,

I'm experiencing the exact same issues with the green push as you. Hooked up to my Sony GWIII with a monster DVI->DVI cable the picture has a green tint with any resolution I feed it from the 3910. I've used this same cable to connect my cable box to the GWIII and have never had any issues with the color being off. And like you, I see no green tint over component output from the 3910.

Someone suggested to try a HDMI -> DVI cable because you have the choice of outputting RGB or YCbCr over HDMI. Theory being that my display is set to receive YCbCr in the DVI input not RGB. Have no idea if this theory is right or if it will work (probably won't - can't imagine the fix being this easy) but I ordered a HDMI -> DVI cable from Blue Jeans just to try. Probably wasted 35 bucks :) A temporary fix was to raise the hue settings a bit, it gets rid of the green, but makes it more red which I didn't like. So far, not matter what I've tried component has looked better color wise.

As far as passing BTB goes I think my player does - its has an August build date. When I checked it with DVE, I saw the 3rd black bar which was blacker then the black background (for both DVI and component). That means it passes right? Never done this test before…..

Oh, and I have not installed any firmware yet….waiting for version 8 in the mail.

"As far as passing BTB goes I think my player does - its has an August build date. When I checked it with DVE, I saw the 3rd black bar which was blacker then the black background (for both DVI and component). That means it passes right? Never done this test before….."

Yes yours is passing btb.

This whole thing is getting kind of strange.:(

Originally posted by Cheezmo
Not necessarily. TV's of the same make/model can come out of the factory all over the map. Settings may also vary by resolution (or not). You can't be sure any two will be similarly adjusted.



If connected the same way, yes.

So do you think its a calibration issue?

Originally posted by Auditor55
.....

This whole thing is getting kind of strange.:(

Auditor55

Not so strange. July and prior builds pass BTB. Sept onward do NOT. August appears to be a mixed bag, some do, some don't. Obviously, something "strange" did happen in August? :confused:

mismatched

Originally posted by Auditor55
So do you think its a calibration issue?

Has your set been calibrated? If it's a Mits WS55813, personally, I wouldn't even begin to consider the attributes of the 3910 until the display was professionally calibrated. When I purchased my Mits I knew going in that I was going to have it calibrated and I can tell you from my own experience, it makes a huge difference, the settings out of the box were way out of whack, I think part of the grey-scale reading was clear up past 10K. An ISF calibration is money well spent. In fact moreso with RPTV than any other type of display...

I agree with keenan! I better because I will have my Sammy calibrated in April by Michael Chen despite being very happy overall with the Sammy albeit for slightly "oversaturated" greens. Auditor 55 do seriously consider a calibration before giving up on the 3910. :)

The green push issue is there for the 3910 over DVI and HDMI, I have seen it on both my displays. I just go into the user settings and increase the Hue by +2 and it looks much better.

Originally posted by Auditor55
So do you think its a calibration issue?

If you've confirmed that you see the same issue with other sources at the same resolution, connected the same way, yes. If not, there are still too many variables.

Originally posted by keenan
Has your set been calibrated? If it's a Mits WS55813, personally, I wouldn't even begin to consider the attributes of the 3910 until the display was professionally calibrated. When I purchased my Mits I knew going in that I was going to have it calibrated and I can tell you from my own experience, it makes a huge difference, the settings out of the box were way out of whack, I think part of the grey-scale reading was clear up past 10K. An ISF calibration is money well spent. In fact moreso with RPTV than any other type of display...

I'm in the early stages of pricing ISF calibration, I've been getting some crazy prices so far. Its only like 2 guys in the Bay Area that does ISF cals and they charge a lot, like $60.00 hr one way travel time.

All I want to is make 100% sure that my TV is the culprit before my 30 day return period on the 3910 runs out. I will keep the 3910, if a btb fix becomes available and I will watch movies through the component cables, with a DVE calibration, until I can cough up enough $$ to have it ISF cal.

Originally posted by Mixdoctor
The green push issue is there for the 3910 over DVI and HDMI, I have seen it on both my displays. I just go into the user settings and increase the Hue by +2 and it looks much better.

The guy with the Sony LCD said increasing the hue had an adverse effect on his reds. Is the same true with your DLP?

Originally posted by Auditor55
The guy with the Sony LCD said increasing the hue had an adverse effect on his reds. Is the same true with your DLP?


Well the picture will get more red because there is less green, but as to giving it a red push, no. Now I have the 3910 on my 65WV600 CRT. Try the +2 or even just +1 see if that helps.

Being the guy with the LCD, let me be a little clearer. Raising the hue definitely helps and it doesn't give the picture a red push that is any where comparable to the green push. That said, I just felt the red was still a little much when compared to component. Maybe its in my head - I'm not sure, I just feel the component color is better then DVI no matter what I try. Auditor, I would give it a try if I was you though, it can't hurt and you might like how it looks.

As for me though, if Firmware 8 and the HDMI - > DVI cable don't help (and from all accounts they won't), I'm going to stick with component outs. The 3910 produces a very nice picture over component and I don't feel the benefits of the upconverison out weigh the headaches that accompany it/

Anyone with a good suggestion on what Denon receiver would go well with the 3910. Since I spent all my money on the Qualia 006 and 3910, I am looking for one that is reasonably inexpensive.

Hi kaduku

I would definitely consider at least a 3805.
The combo is well known and I am another happy user of this combo. :D
The options in the 3805 are great, my system sounds boatloads better than with my old Yamaha RXV620 due to this flexibility.
You get to use Denonlink for all connections, bar playback of SACD too.
Another good thing is they are styled the same so they look superb on the stand above each other:)
This is, of course, not as important as how my system sounds now.

Have fun looking.

J

Originally posted by J SLAYZ
Hi kaduku

I would definitely consider at least a 3805.



J,
I just looked at the price of that and wow!!! I'm pretty sure it sounds great, but my wife has given me a $400 budget.

get a more generous wife! :wink:

or reason with her and say "But dear it is just not rational to spend more on a DVD player than a receiver!" :D :D

Another vote for the 3805. The 3910 deserves at least this level of receiver!

Originally posted by mismatched
get a more generous wife! :wink:

or reason with her and say "But dear it is just not rational to spend more on a DVD player than a receiver!" :D :D

I know, $400 is not alot to play with. I'm still trying to raise it a bit, but it's pretty hard now since I already talked her into the $13,000 Qualia.

E-gads, if she went for a $13,000 TV what's another $1,000 for a decent receiver to go with it? That's less than the TV's sales tax in a lot of places.

I think in this instance it's as a member of DBA forums says in his signature 'Sometimes it's easier to ask for forgiveness than get permission.' :p

You will have to just save up on the side.........

J

I connected a Samsung 841 to my to TV via DVI and I didn't notice any green cast or green push in the picture. I'm still looking forward getting my set ISF cal, but I believe the green tint is being caused by the 3910.

I will try hooking up my 3910 to my LCD screen via DVI to HDMI or might go HDMI to HDMI and see if I get that green push. If I do, I will return it for another 3910 that may not have those problems.

Originally posted by Auditor55
I connected a Samsung 841 to my to TV via DVI and I didn't notice any green cast or green push in the picture. I'm still looking forward getting my set ISF cal, but I believe the green tint is being caused by the 3910.

I will try hooking up my 3910 to my LCD screen via DVI to HDMI or might go HDMI to HDMI and see if I get that green push. If I do, I will return it for another 3910 that may not have those problems.

I'll tell you the green push is in the 3910. I had a 2910 briefly and that too had a green push...even more so, but at least the 3910 and the 2910 have enough controls especially the Hue to reduce the green push enough to be negligible. So if that is the reason you want to exchange the 3910 I wouldn't bother.

Earlier in this thread, a member was complaining about not being able to play some DVD-Rs on the 3910:

I've just spent a couple of weeks solving a similar dilema:

I recently purchased the Denon 3910, which is one of the best players I have ever come across (both in audio and video performance).

Then, while enjoying the heck out of the machine, came the "fly in the ointment" scenario. I gradually became aware that many of my DVD-R discs would freeze during playback on the Denon. The same discs (all high-quality media such as Ritek G04, 5 and Verbatim) play perfectly well in my Panasonic RP-91, E-80 and E-85.

I noticed some other members with the 3910 were experiencing the same problem. One member found a solution by burning no faster than 2X when creating a DVD-R.

I discovered that the slower burning speed worked eighty percent with the Ritek discs, and a hundred percent with the Verbatim discs, so I decided to take on the epic task of re-burning my DVD-R library (once getting used to the image quality of the 3910, there was just no way I could settle for watching movies on my other players).

I made another important discovery right before I began the reconversion project: After watching a borrowed DVD-R that played flawlessly on the 3910, I learned it was a Ritek disc that was burned at 4X. I borrowed another two movies from the same source and they played without incident. This of course led me to cast a suspicious eye on my burner (an NEC ND 3500 A, which is about three months old.

I replaced the burner with a new Memorex (actually a Pioneer unit) and all problems ceased. I now can burn Ritek, Verbatim and Tyou Yuden discs at any speed with no problems, and they all play great on my Denon.

I hope this info will be of help.

Originally posted by Mixdoctor
I'll tell you the green push is in the 3910. I had a 2910 briefly and that too had a green push...even more so, but at least the 3910 and the 2910 have enough controls especially the Hue to reduce the green push enough to be negligible. So if that is the reason you want to exchange the 3910 I wouldn't bother.


I really wanted to exchange it to see I can get lucky enough to get one with a July or August build date, one that will pass btb. When you say negligible, meaning hardly noticeble?

I am having a problem with my DVD-3910. Let me give you the sequence of events and maybe you can shed some light for me please and point me to in the right direction/

DVD-3910 connected to my JVC D-ILA TV no problem at all for 2 weeks. JVC had an HDMI service upgrade/fix for a known HDMI issue with a resistor on the TV's HDMI board (mainly affecting DirecTV HD-TIVO HDMI boxes), the service tech came out and fixed the problem. DVD and TV still working fine together. Ran the DVD-3910 Firmware upgrade, then NO "Setup" menu through HDMI. Connected a single composite from DVD "video out" to JVC TV. "Setup" menu is there fine, reset parameters. Unhooked composite cable. Still no "Setup" menu from HDMI and now no picture either! I have gone through every possible combination of HDMI settings - RGB - Pr, Pb, Py (or whatever it is) 720p, 1080i, etc.... nothing is working. Audio through "Toslink" is fine and video through "composite" is fine. The TV flickers when I change settings, so I think the TV is getting something of a signal but no actual video.

I tried Initializing a few times, disconnecting overnight, reloading several DVD's. Nothing.

I would like to revert to the original Firmware and try that. I think there may be a compatibility issue with HDMI (1.1?) and my JVC D-ILA? has anyone heard of this?

Thanks guys,
Mike

I was finally able to reach someone at Denon to complain about the btb problem. I spoke to a guy name Jim and he said they are aware of it and should have a fix for it shortly.

As for the green push issue, he suggested that I install all the latest firmware, to see if that helps the green push problem, he also said I should wait later on this weekend or next week because they are go to release some new firmware. He also, suggested that display settings could be the problem as well.

We shall see, if they leave us hanging how and dry, I will never buy another Denon product. I used love their receivers, until I encountered B&K, love B&K audio products more.

Originally posted by Auditor55
I was finally able to reach someone at Denon to complain about the btb problem. I spoke to a guy name Jim and he said they are aware of it and should have a fix for it shortly.

As for the green push issue, he suggested that I install all the latest firmware, to see if that helps the green push problem, he also said I should wait later on this weekend or next week because they are go to release some new firmware. He also, suggested that display settings could be the problem as well.

We shall see, if they leave us hanging how and dry, I will never buy another Denon product. I used love their receivers, until I encountered B&K, love B&K audio products more.

Auditor55: Good job. If they are aware of it and acknowledge it's an issue, I bet they will fix it. Ray of good news anyway. Thanks for sharing..

Originally posted by Auditor55
I was finally able to reach someone at Denon to complain about the btb problem. I spoke to a guy name Jim and he said they are aware of it and should have a fix for it shortly.

Thanks for posting that Auditor55!

As for the green push issue, he suggested that I install all the latest firmware, to see if that helps the green push problem, he also said I should wait later on this weekend or next week because they are go to release some new firmware. He also, suggested that display settings could be the problem as well.


Did he say that the new firmware out this weekend or next week will fix BTB or that will be a fix that is not included in this soon-to-be release?

Originally posted by jazzcat
Did he say that the new firmware out this weekend or next week will fix BTB or that will be a fix that is not included in this soon-to-be release?

He made no promises about the btb issue being solved by new firmware.

while trying to check my firmware. i somehow set the player to "demo mode".

now i can't eject the tray.

does anyone here knows how to resolve this problem?

Originally posted by geradix
while trying to check my firmware. i somehow set the player to "demo mode".

now i can't eject the tray.

does anyone here knows how to resolve this problem?

You should be able to clear this by the hard power botton (small on/off button) on the front panel I would think. :confused:

SC

Originally posted by videonut
Earlier in this thread, a member was complaining about not being able to play some DVD-Rs on the 3910:

I've just spent a couple of weeks solving a similar dilema:

I recently purchased the Denon 3910, which is one of the best players I have ever come across (both in audio and video performance).

Then, while enjoying the heck out of the machine, came the "fly in the ointment" scenario. I gradually became aware that many of my DVD-R discs would freeze during playback on the Denon. The same discs (all high-quality media such as Ritek G04, 5 and Verbatim) play perfectly well in my Panasonic RP-91, E-80 and E-85.

I noticed some other members with the 3910 were experiencing the same problem. One member found a solution by burning no faster than 2X when creating a DVD-R.

I discovered that the slower burning speed worked eighty percent with the Ritek discs, and a hundred percent with the Verbatim discs, so I decided to take on the epic task of re-burning my DVD-R library (once getting used to the image quality of the 3910, there was just no way I could settle for watching movies on my other players).

I made another important discovery right before I began the reconversion project: After watching a borrowed DVD-R that played flawlessly on the 3910, I learned it was a Ritek disc that was burned at 4X. I borrowed another two movies from the same source and they played without incident. This of course led me to cast a suspicious eye on my burner (an NEC ND 3500 A, which is about three months old.

I replaced the burner with a new Memorex (actually a Pioneer unit) and all problems ceased. I now can burn Ritek, Verbatim and Tyou Yuden discs at any speed with no problems, and they all play great on my Denon.

I hope this info will be of help.

Very good post! Thanks videonut!

I too have suspected that the burner is the factor but never could prove it. If I may ask, what model memorex burner solved the problem for you.

DigiPete

This there a way on the 3910 to overide the video mode (from auto) to film as I currently can in my 3800. The selection choices I have are auto 1, auto 2, video 1, 2, & 3. My discs backup plays fine on my 3800 (set to film instead of video or auto) but throughout the disc the 3910 seems to determine whether its film mode or video and the picture stalls & breaks up.

I Denon firmware are:

ESS 6609-8
MAKEDAY 114
DRV 030825
SYSTEM 6770
CNE 20040609

Any help is appreciated.

Regards,

ron

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Badabbing
[B]You should be able to clear this by the hard power botton (small on/off button) on the front panel I would think. :confused:

I've tried that. Unfortunately, it's not such a simple solution. I've even tried to initialise the settings, following the instructions of the denon firmware upgrade.

The player just does not respond. I'm really frustrated.

Did you try unplugging it, and then plugging it back in?

Originally posted by keenan
Did you try unplugging it, and then plugging it back in?


Yeah, did that too but no success. The player is locked. The worse thing is that since it can't eject, I can't even load in a firmware upgrade disc.

I think only someone with the service manual will know the code necessary to unlock the player from "demo mode".

Tried emailing denon service for instructions but so far no response.

Well, I bought the Denon AVR-1905 to match up with my 3910. I know it's the the highest model with the price, but at $450 it was a deal. I am very pleased with it and the sound is awesome. I can't wait to hear it with some DVD-A and SACDs. Anyone with quick recommendations on some settings. Also, should I set the speakers to small or large? I have the Bose 15 Acoustimass 5.1 speakers.

Originally posted by DigiPete
Very good post! Thanks videonut!

I too have suspected that the burner is the factor but never could prove it. If I may ask, what model memorex burner solved the problem for you.

DigiPete

Memorex Model # DLRWL16 D2-15 99.00 (COMPUSA)


Be advised that I still have problems with Ritek GO5 disks.

Since Posting I've burned 15 Verbatim, 15 BeAll, 15 Tuyo Yudin and five Ritek GO5 disks. All brands played great except the five Riteks, which choked in my 3910 and Yamaha HD931 players.

Best Regards,
Peter M

Originally posted by kaduku
Well, I bought the Denon AVR-1905 to match up with my 3910. I know it's the the highest model with the price, but at $450 it was a deal. I am very pleased with it and the sound is awesome. I can't wait to hear it with some DVD-A and SACDs. Anyone with quick recommendations on some settings. Also, should I set the speakers to small or large? I have the Bose 15 Acoustimass 5.1 speakers.

Keep in my mind, there are slim pickings on DVD-A and SA-CD titles since they are pretty much failed audio formats.

Originally posted by geradix
Yeah, did that too but no success. The player is locked. The worse thing is that since it can't eject, I can't even load in a firmware upgrade disc.

I think only someone with the service manual will know the code necessary to unlock the player from "demo mode".

Tried emailing denon service for instructions but so far no response.

Call technical support.

Originally posted by videonut
Memorex Model # DLRWL16 D2-15 99.00 (COMPUSA)


Be advised that I still have problems with Ritek GO5 disks.

Since Posting I've burned 15 Verbatim, 15 BeAll, 15 Tuyo Yudin and five Ritek GO5 disks. All brands played great except the five Riteks, which choked in my 3910 and Yamaha HD931 players.

Best Regards,
Peter M

I have one and was pleased as punch till I have read all the feed back, No prob as of yet. I have Veb DVD+R 16X that I have had no prob burning at MAX.

I also do a few RW that I have had no problems with.

I did flash the drive with the latest from Memorex.


Don't ask what firmware version I have.

To unlock the demo mode, do a miroprocessor reset proceedure. You have to hold in three buttons at the same time....something like Forward, Door Open, and Power (I think). You'll lose any settings you had, so you'll have to recalibrate.

While the player is in the stop mode, hold the player's SKIP button and the PLAY button down simultaneously and then hold the OPEN/CLOSE button down for longer than 3 seconds (until "INITIALIZE" disappears from the TV monitor).

Originally posted by keenan
While the player is in the stop mode, hold the player's SKIP button and the PLAY button down simultaneously and then hold the OPEN/CLOSE button down for longer than 3 seconds (until "INITIALIZE" disappears from the TV monitor).

It works!!!

Keenan, you're a life saver! Thanks so much for the tip. Now I can enjoy movies again. :)

:)

I wish I could take credit, but it's in the manual on the Troubleshooting page, of course, Denon manuals are not known for their clarity...:p

Originally posted by kaduku
Well, I bought the Denon AVR-1905 to match up with my 3910. I know it's the the highest model with the price, but at $450 it was a deal. I am very pleased with it and the sound is awesome. I can't wait to hear it with some DVD-A and SACDs. Anyone with quick recommendations on some settings. Also, should I set the speakers to small or large? I have the Bose 15 Acoustimass 5.1 speakers.

Definitely Small if you have a subwoofer in that setup.

Allen

Originally posted by Auditor55
Keep in my mind, there are slim pickings on DVD-A and SA-CD titles since they are pretty much failed audio formats.

As far as the slim pickings goes, try going to Acousticsounds.com and search for SACD and DVD-Audio disks. It probably relates to your taste in music, as different genres are represented at different levels, but there are hundreds of titles available, and many are really excellent. For SACD's try Dark side of the Moon, it's truly amazing.

While they will never get the penetration of regular CD's, I wouldn't think they were "Failed audio formats". They will be superseded by the lossless formats coming with HD DVD and Blue Ray, but the 5-1 mixes developed for SACD and DVD Audio will be available.

Allen

Originally posted by Allen
As far as the slim pickings goes, try going to Acousticsounds.com and search for SACD and DVD-Audio disks. It probably relates to your taste in music, as different genres are represented at different levels, but there are hundreds of titles available, and many are really excellent. For SACD's try Dark side of the Moon, it's truly amazing.

While they will never get the penetration of regular CD's, I wouldn't think they were "Failed audio formats". They will be superseded by the lossless formats coming with HD DVD and Blue Ray, but the 5-1 mixes developed for SACD and DVD Audio will be available.



I agree Allen and thanks for the info on that site.

Do not simply assume it's a problem with your CD-Rs.

My first 3910 (June build) would not read most of my burned CD-Rs (burned at 8x speed). I figured it was the 3910 because all my discs played on my Denon 1600 without any problems.

I took my CD-Rs to the store where I bought my 3910, tried them in their floor model, and everything worked perfectly.

Needless to say, I returned my 3910 to the store, they ordered a new one for me, and this one (Aug build) plays everything flawlessly.

--Ernie

Originally posted by Allen
As far as the slim pickings goes, try going to Acousticsounds.com and search for SACD and DVD-Audio disks. It probably relates to your taste in music, as different genres are represented at different levels, but there are hundreds of titles available, and many are really excellent. For SACD's try Dark side of the Moon, it's truly amazing.

While they will never get the penetration of regular CD's, I wouldn't think they were "Failed audio formats". They will be superseded by the lossless formats coming with HD DVD and Blue Ray, but the 5-1 mixes developed for SACD and DVD Audio will be available.

Allen

Its a failed format, period.

How many 50 cents, Alicia Keyes, Emimen and other Hip Hop DVD-A and SA-CD are available? I don't really listen to Hip Hop, but hip hop is one of most popular forms of music today, if SA-CD and DVD-A formats are not with pop music it has failed. I can go on and on and tell you why DVD-A and SA-CD they have failed, it has nothing to do with the forthcoming Blu-Ray disc. They are many reasons why those format failed and will never be mass accepted.

Originally posted by Auditor55
Its a failed format, period.

How many 50 cents, Alicia Keyes, Emimen and other Hip Hop DVD-A and SA-CD are available? I don't really listen to Hip Hop, but hip hop is one of most popular forms of music today, if SA-CD and DVD-A formats are not with pop music it has failed. I can go on and on and tell you why DVD-A and SA-CD they have failed, it has nothing to do with the forthcoming Blu-Ray disc. They are many reasons why those format failed and will never be mass accepted.
There are hundreds of excellent DVD-A and SACD discs available and upcoming...Beck's "Guero" at the end of the month, "Lamb Lies Down on Broadway" later this year, "The Wall" and "Wish You Were Here" in the works, etc. Just because 50 and Eminem aren't being released on these formats doesn't mean they're failed. Maybe not mainstream, but not dead...

Jason

I looked through what´s available on DVD-Audio and SACD and I saw nothing that interrested me... I´m mostly into metal, movie themes, and best of albums from Dylan, Cat Stevens etc. etc. I thought the selection was lame to say the least.

Originally posted by Auditor55
Its a failed format, period.

How many 50 cents, Alicia Keyes, Emimen and other Hip Hop DVD-A and SA-CD are available? I don't really listen to Hip Hop, but hip hop is one of most popular forms of music today, if SA-CD and DVD-A formats are not with pop music it has failed. I can go on and on and tell you why DVD-A and SA-CD they have failed, it has nothing to do with the forthcoming Blu-Ray disc. They are many reasons why those format failed and will never be mass accepted.

Alicia Keys does have a DVD-A btw.

Originally posted by keyser
I looked through what´s available on DVD-Audio and SACD and I saw nothing that interrested me... I´m mostly into metal, movie themes, and best of albums from Dylan, Cat Stevens etc. etc. I thought the selection was lame to say the least.

I've got Alice in Chains SACD coming and currently have Nine Inch Nails and Godsmack SACD's. I agree there are many more classical and jazz albums and I hope more rock/alternative are coming. The redbook collection is much larger, but I am trying to get as many hi-rez discs while they last.

sc.

Hey guys, no disrespect intended but this thread is long and unweildy enough with just the 3910 specific stuff. For politness, maybe start a SACD DVD-A thread of it's own... then link it here for those interested to branch off to as desired. Cheers, Scott

Originally posted by scotthorton
Hey guys, no disrespect intended but this thread is long and unweildy enough with just the 3910 specific stuff. For politness, maybe start a SACD DVD-A thread of it's own... then link it here for those interested to branch off to as desired. Cheers, Scott


Sorry about taking the thread away from 3910 discussion.


Anyway, I have been so annoyed with green push and btb issue of the 3910, I've been considering exchanging it for a 59avi. It doesn't seem like a lot of 3910 owners are reporting the green push issue (when connected via DVI), or they are not too concerned about it, you would think there would be a little more outrage.

Auditor, I have mine hooked via DVI and do not see any green push on my DLP. Also, I do not see any using the AVIA filters.

Just a question,

How many of you also setup your actual display device?
and if you do, how do you guys go about doing it?

Do you leave you display (plasma, projector, rear pro, LCD etc.) on its factory defaults, and then just adjust the 3910's video settings?

Or do you use both Display and 3910 with each other?

But for something like Brightness and Contrast, who uses just the displays controls, and who uses just the 3910's controls and who uses both?

I'm curious :), maybe this should be a poll? :)

Cheers
KJ

Like BillP, I am hooked DVI to a Sammy DLP. No green push. But I also had it ISF'ed, which made a world of difference.

Krazykaj, like I said above, having a display ISF'ed can make all the difference. I don't have to adjust anything on the 3910; it looks excellent without doing anything to the player.

krazykaj

I use Avia and DVE and only adjust brigthness and color and contrast on my display. this seems like the status quo modus operandi or whatever :D

i realise that ISF calibration is a major undertaking, with probably major results.
But for say, someone like me, to get it calibrated as such would cost a fair amount of money. So i cannot justify it, :) especially as my display at the moment is not the greatest and i am planning on a major upgrade in the near future.
So for me DVE setup is quite fine for now, and i think my picture look pretty good, not the best, but ok, and i was just curious about anyone else who does not have proper calibration, and that just uses something like DVE, how they setup there display and player to work together nicely to get the best picture possible.

anyways . .
Thanks for the comment

Cheers
KJ

KJ, if you have a copy of DVE, it guides you through the whole process. Very intuitive DVD once you figure out how to navigate that crazy menu! :D

Originally posted by jazzcat
KJ, if you have a copy of DVE, it guides you through the whole process. Very intuitive DVD once you figure out how to navigate that crazy menu! :D

Intutive if you are from Texas!! :D

No kidding, that DVD drives me nuts...:D

Trust me, being from Texas doesn't help.

Anyway, I have been so annoyed with green push and btb issue of the 3910, I've been considering exchanging it for a 59avi. It doesn't seem like a lot of 3910 owners are reporting the green push issue (when connected via DVI), or they are not too concerned about it, you would think there would be a little more outrage. [/B][/QUOTE]

I have the same problem. Had the Denon 3800 before and had my Sanyo PLV-70 calibrated for its YUV output. Now I changed to the 3910 with DVI.
Picture is sharper but to make it look good I had to raise hue (+4-6) lower contrast (-3) and other fixes in the Denon setup (using the old calibrated setup of the PLV-70). In std mode picture is greenish! I don´t think this is a SD/HD colorspace problem (as discussed in another thread). PLV-70 has a computer DVI input, accepts 480/576p as SVGA, 720p as XGA and 1080i as SXGA. Also green push is present at all resolutions. I will now have my projector recalibrated for the 3910 and see what we get.

Originally posted by Krazykaj
Just a question,

How many of you also setup your actual display device?
and if you do, how do you guys go about doing it?

Do you leave you display (plasma, projector, rear pro, LCD etc.) on its factory defaults, and then just adjust the 3910's video settings?

Or do you use both Display and 3910 with each other?

But for something like Brightness and Contrast, who uses just the displays controls, and who uses just the 3910's controls and who uses both?

I'm curious :), maybe this should be a poll? :)

Cheers
KJ

Since my Samsung DLP has only one DVI input and shares it with my HDTivo, calibrating my display for only one source is problematic, but I ended up letting the HDTivo fall where it may anyway for the most part.

I calibrated the set to itself first and then calibrated the display to the 3910 using Avia Pro. This let me compare respective calibrations between the two. The DLP goes blue at darker levels, but it turns out my 3910 is *less* blue at darker levels than the DLP is all by itself. I think my 3910 right now is set to -1 or -2 on Contrast, +2 in Chroma, +2 in DNR, and everything else at default. (Subject to edit later when I get home and check!) My bulb is pushing 4000 hours, though, so who knows how different things will be when I replace it!

I use the user controls on the DLP to optimize HDTivo viewing, then adjust the 3910's controls for DVD viewing. That way I theoretically should never have to adjust anything on the display or 3910.

Rick

Any news on the firmware upgrade someone posted would be coming out any day now? Does anyone know what it fixes?

Originally posted by BillP
Any news on the firmware upgrade someone posted would be coming out any day now? Does anyone know what it fixes?

I'm hoping the next FW will address the green push and btb issues.

In benchmark it was mentioned that 480i over HDMI is not supported by this player. Has there been any talk of changing this via firmware?

sc.

This has probably been addressed already.

How do I know which firmware version I have on my 3910? Also if it is not the latest, how do I get it (and install)?

Also thanks to Allen for your help in getting my SACD to work!!!!

kaduku

To verify your firmware version:

1. Turn the small power button off on the front of the unit. (This is the REAL power button, not the standby one with the lighted disc around it.)

2. Hold down the PLAY and OPEN/CLOSE buttons on the front of the unit, both at the same time.

3. Turn the power back on and continue holding the buttons for 3 seconds, then let go.

4. After "LOADING" shows on the display, press the 3, 2, 6, 5 buttons on the remote (in that order) and then press the MENU button.

You should then see the Firmware version on the unit's display.

to get latest firmware go to: http://www.usa.denon.com/support/upgrades.asp

If you are a Mac user you will need to request a CD ...

good luck

Just last night I became a "3910 owner" when I hooked my new unit into my system. I connected the DVI output to my Sony HS20's DVI input. I also hooked the 3910's s-video output to the s-vid input on my HTPC's monitor. After running through the setup - on the monitor - and still not having a picture on my Sony, I found the DVI buttons on the remote. (How odd that that wouldn't be in the "setup" menu.) I popped in DVE and did a quick black and white level adjustment. I found that my black level setting was way lower than what it had been for my Pio DV-05's component output. My blacks seem blacker, too, or maybe as a result of the lower setting; the black bars above and below a 2.35:1 image look blacker and closer to the black felt covering my Firehawk. Can anyone comment on my observation? Is a DVI connection really that much better than component for black level?

Can anyone recommend movies that I can watch to determine whether I'm crushing blacks or really do have better blacks without losing detail? (I watched Dark City and I, Robot and "thought" I had better detail than I remember on the DV-05.)

Re the blacks: Are you seeing all 3 black bars in DVE? That is, is your's doing blacker than black? If it is, what's your build date (sticker on teh back)?

Originally posted by scotthorton
Re the blacks: Are you seeing all 3 black bars in DVE? That is, is your's doing blacker than black? If it is, what's your build date (sticker on teh back)?

The build date is Aug '04. The firmware is whatever it came with; haven't upgraded yet to -8. And yes, I can see all three bars (before adjustment).

Originally posted by pepar
The build date is Aug '04. The firmware is whatever it came with; haven't upgraded yet to -8. And yes, I can see all three bars (before adjustment).


Do you have the green push on the DVI output?

Originally posted by Auditor55
Do you have the green push on the DVI output?

I did no other calibration than the black/white level adjustment. And then I watched a bit of Fifth Element, all of I, Robot and much of Dark City. My main objective was to determine whether or not I actually had better blacks with more detail or a misadjusted - I did it very quickly - black level giving the impression of blacker blacks while actually crushing the detail. What test would I perform to determine if my 3910 is pushing green? I didn't notice any in the movies, but then again I was concentrating on detail in dark scenes.

Originally posted by pepar
I did no other calibration than the black/white level adjustment. And then I watched a bit of Fifth Element, all of I, Robot and much of Dark City. My main objective was to determine whether or not I actually had better blacks with more detail or a misadjusted - I did it very quickly - black level giving the impression of blacker blacks while actually crushing the detail. What test would I perform to determine if my 3910 is pushing green? I didn't notice any in the movies, but then again I was concentrating on detail in dark scenes.


If you have your Denon 3910 hooked up via DVI you will notice the green push right away, no special test needed to notice it. I assume green push is not a problem with your player.

Maybe some of us just got some 3910's from the bad batch.

Auditor, it may not be the batch, but rather your player/display combo (just based on numerous threads, all the players seem to perform very differently with different displays, thus the 3910 might not exhibit green push on my display buy might on yours).