So dumb question what am I dooing wrong . 3910 hooked up to my samsung hln507W DVI ,TV set to DVI Wide input .I put in a dvd that is labled 1.85 & it showes up with bars on top & bottom like a scope film What Gives >>

Set the TV type to 16x9 in the 3910's setup menu.

Or, the DVD is an old, non-anamorphic title.

The TV is set to 16.9
The film was Picture Perfect

According to DVD Profiler, Picture Perfect is Letterboxed 1:85 - that would be your problem.

The TV is set to 16.9
The film was Picture Perfect

Technically - and actually - it is the 3910 that needs to be "set" to 16:9. IOW, it needs to be told that it is connected to a widescreen display. The TV already knows what *it* is. :)

That is what I ment the 3910 is set to 16.0

I'm pretty sure I've got the latest firmware version - July '05 I think.

ESS 6609-B
MAKE DAY 330
DRV 030825
SYSTEM 6767-5
DSP 6770
C 20041028

I've uploaded the latest version to my website. Download it here (http://www.peparsplace.com/D31ZSAVD.zip). I'll leave it up for the weekend, or until you post that you've got it.


Pepar,

I downloaded the firmware upgrade from your link, burned it to a disc and updated the 3910. The new firmware reads:

6609-B
Make Day 330
DRV 030825
SYS: 6767-3
DSP 6770
CNE 20040609

Looks like the update was successful. Thank you very much for all your help.

Pepar,

I downloaded the firmware upgrade from your link, burned it to a disc and updated the 3910. The new firmware reads:

6609-B
Make Day 330
DRV 030825
SYS: 6767-3
DSP 6770
CNE 20040609

Looks like the update was successful. Thank you very much for all your help.

After posting I realized that there is one update newer than this one that updates DenonLink 3. I do not use that, so I've not applied it.

After posting I realized that there is one update newer than this one that updates DenonLink 3. I do not use that, so I've not applied it.

I have separates so the DL3 would not be of any use to me.

Anyone notice the new Denon web site today? A nice look to it.

I registered for the Owner's access. It shows no downloads at this time for my 3910, which I suspect is due to not being fully implemented on their new web site yet.

fwiw... :cool:

Doug

Anyone notice the new Denon web site today? A nice look to it.

I registered for the Owner's access. It shows no downloads at this time for my 3910, which I suspect is due to not being fully implemented on their new web site yet.

fwiw... :cool:

Doug

Nice redesign.

I registered my 3910 and noticed a date on the owners manual of 9/2/05.

Does anyone know of any changes to the manual? My first thought was a DL3 update but a quick glace still showed DL2 wording.

Nice redesign.

I registered my 3910 and noticed a date on the owners manual of 9/2/05.

Does anyone know of any changes to the manual? My first thought was a DL3 update but a quick glace still showed DL2 wording.


same here.....oh well, we shall and see how the new site is populated.

Yeah, the new site really looks nice...all hi-tech and interactive!

Jason

Nice redesign.

I registered my 3910 and noticed a date on the owners manual of 9/2/05.

Does anyone know of any changes to the manual? My first thought was a DL3 update but a quick glace still showed DL2 wording.

I'm guessing that the Sept. 2nd date is simply the date that the .pdf file was created on the new server/web page. I noticed most of the dates were in fact Sept. 2nd...

Doug

Thread newbie here - I just received my 3910/3805 combo and have searched this thread till my eyes are bleeding and I am still not sure of the answer to my question:

When I hook them up via DLink and go to setup in the 3910, the option to turn Dlink on or off is ghosted and not available for selection. The 3910 has a build date of 11/04 and is marked as Dlink S.E. while the 3805 is marked "3rd". Do I need to get the 3rd Edition upgrade to solve this particular problem or am I overlooking something?

Thanks,

Mick

Thread newbie here - I just received my 3910/3805 combo and have searched this thread till my eyes are bleeding and I am still not sure of the answer to my question:

When I hook them up via DLink and go to setup in the 3910, the option to turn Dlink on or off is ghosted and not available for selection. The 3910 has a build date of 11/04 and is marked as Dlink S.E. while the 3805 is marked "3rd". Do I need to get the 3rd Edition upgrade to solve this particular problem or am I overlooking something?

Thanks,

Mick

Yes, you will need to download the upgrade for DL3 for your 3910.

With my 3910 I had to re-initialize after the update in order to activate DL3 you may or may not have to do this final step.

When I hook them up via DLink and go to setup in the 3910, the option to turn Dlink on or off is ghosted and not available for selection.

To "unghost" the DLink so you can activate it, you also have to go further into the setup, and I believe activate MultiLink - sorry I have not done this in a while but I think this is it. Then you can use DLink for DVD Audio, until you get a chance to download (or wait for the cd's from Denon) the DL3 update. Then SACD's will also work.

Well, I called Denon to ask them about it and, after the tech first told me I should need no update and that it should be compatible and work just fine, he told me that I need the update. :confused: So I e-mailed the guy that they told me to so that he could mail it to me. Judging by the responses in this thread, that package will probably never come so I will probably download the Region 2 update.

JB - I could not find the MultiLink setting that you mention. I have tried everything that the setup menu will give me access to, however there are many more settings other than DLink that are ghosted and unavailable for selection. However, no mention anywhere of MultiLink.

Thanks

Mick

Thread newbie here - I just received my 3910/3805 combo and have searched this thread till my eyes are bleeding and I am still not sure of the answer to my question:

When I hook them up via DLink and go to setup in the 3910, the option to turn Dlink on or off is ghosted and not available for selection. The 3910 has a build date of 11/04 and is marked as Dlink S.E. while the 3805 is marked "3rd". Do I need to get the 3rd Edition upgrade to solve this particular problem or am I overlooking something?

Thanks,

Mick
Make sure DenonLink cable is firmly seated in each unit

In the 3910 make sure you have no disc in the tray, and in the setup:

make sure IEEE1394 is off
make sure HDMI audio is 2Ch
Now you should be able to set Denon Link to 2nd or 3rd*(*if you have the latest firmware)

In the 3805 set up, select Denon Link as your digital input for your DVD player. Exit set up, select DVD as your source.

This should do it. If not, try re-initializing your 3910 and/or 3805, and redo the above settings.

If not, try installing latest Denon Link 3 firmware.

Pete

I just received an email from Denon that they are shipping my firmware update (I had requested it a long time ago, and have since downloaded and installed it since I did not think they would ever send it). I wonder if it is a brand new firmware (I'll let you know as soon as I receive it).

Anyone can please explain?

In the mulitregion download; what's the difference between d31zsavd.cfw and d39hsavd.cfw? I know used d31zsavd.cfw before in 3910 updates before but is the d39hsavd.cfw for the 3910 also?

regards,

ron

JB - I could not find the MultiLink setting that you mention. I have tried everything that the setup menu will give me access to, however there are many more settings other than DLink that are ghosted and unavailable for selection. However, no mention anywhere of MultiLink.

Thanks

Mick

Sorry, I was going from memory when I posted that last night, and my suggestion was obviously incorrect. If you follow DigiPete's instructions, it should work, as I just went back in to verify.

Sorry if this question is anwered already. Could you tell your opinions of 3910's compatibility with DVD-A titles? I saw somebody complaining about Yamaha s2500 and Denon 3910 in DVD-A compatibility. I can't buy 3910 if it is as bad as Yamaha s2500.... :(

Sorry if this question is anwered already. Could you tell your opinions of 3910's compatibility with DVD-A titles? I saw somebody complaining about Yamaha s2500 and Denon 3910 in DVD-A compatibility. I can't buy 3910 if it is as bad as Yamaha s2500.... :(

I've had 0 problems with the few DVD-A discs that I've played.

BTW, what DVD module or other player is this player based on? Pioneer 59AVi?

The 3910 is based on the Denon 5900, not any Pioneer.

BTW, what DVD module or other player is this player based on? Pioneer 59AVi?

Shirley you jest? :)

Maybe he's asking about the transport itself..?

Maybe he's asking about the transport itself..?

The transport is custom-made for Denon. Not shared with other brands.

Someone, about three pages back, mentioned a "horizontal mess" during the viewing of a Billy Connolly DVD that was Region 2.

Now, I'm no expert (as you'll learn in about ten seconds' time), but this "scrolling" problem appears to be quite normal.

It's something to do with PAL to NTSC conversion. Basically, any UK TV shows with horizontal end credits don't show up on NTSC due to refresh rates. Probably. Yeah, probably!

Anyway, for further evidence of this, check the "new" shows on BBC America, such as Alan Partridge. If you have the PAL season 2 DVD (which I thoroughly recommend you buy from Amazon.co.uk), the credits are unreadable too.

This can't be fixed... at least, BBC America can't fix it. BBC America simply removes the credits when they show the program, and "redo" them on a black background, moving vertically.

Fascinating, eh?

<yawn>

To keep this Denon-related, can anyone sum up the best way to get the 3910 multi-region without being scammed by the "universal DVD player" websites. I assume there's a hack?

(Sorry if this was mentioned previously -- couldn't find it!)

Cheers

S

Maybe he's asking about the transport itself..?

Yes, I was. Thank you guys for your answers. Sounds like 3910 is not as robust as 47Ai/59AVi... -.-;;

Yes, I was. Thank you guys for your answers. Sounds like 3910 is not as robust as 47Ai/59AVi... -.-;;

Hook's in the water.
And away we go. :rolleyes:

Yes, I was. Thank you guys for your answers. Sounds like 3910 is not as robust as 47Ai/59AVi... -.-;;
Huh? All reviews state the opposite (the 3910 has better build quality than the Pioneer)!

Huh? All reviews state the opposite (the 3910 has better build quality than the Pioneer)!

<very small voice>shhhh, we know that.</very small voice>

Huh? All reviews state the opposite (the 3910 has better build quality than the Pioneer)!

I meant it in terms of the title compatibility. 3910 has definitely better build quality.

I just received an email from Denon that they are shipping my firmware update (I had requested it a long time ago, and have since downloaded and installed it since I did not think they would ever send it). I wonder if it is a brand new firmware (I'll let you know as soon as I receive it).
The "new" firmware arrived in today's mail. What a disappointment. It's the same July firmware I requested 2 months ago, that I already downloaded 2-3 weeks ago since I was tired of waiting. This answers the question of whether brand new firmware is available in the US: definitely not.

The "new" firmware arrived in today's mail. What a disappointment. It's the same July firmware I requested 2 months ago, that I already downloaded 2-3 weeks ago since I was tired of waiting. This answers the question of whether brand new firmware is available in the US: definitely not.


I received the "new" firmware last week. I loaded it with no problems. Just strange that it took them so long getting it out.

Sorry if this question is anwered already. Could you tell your opinions of 3910's compatibility with DVD-A titles? I saw somebody complaining about Yamaha s2500 and Denon 3910 in DVD-A compatibility. I can't buy 3910 if it is as bad as Yamaha s2500.... :(

I experience drop-outs with DualDiscs. perzon57 also reported this problem and was able to resolve it with the latest European firmware update (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=6166978&&#post6166978). I have the latest US firmware. Denon never replied to my report about this problem. My 3910 is connected via i.LINK to an IR RDC-7.1. I only have one DVD-A title and it works OK. I also have some 96/24 PCM DVDs and SACDs and they too work OK.

I have a dedicate DAC for CD playback and I want to connect the 3910 to it using the coax digital. However, I have i.Link/1394/firewire connected to my Pioneer Elite 59TXi for multichannel SACD and DVD-A, and every time I want to use the coax link for CD I will have to disabled the 1394 output in the setup menu. It is very frustrating to switch back and forth between coax and 1394 in the menu everytime I switch disc types. Can you "trick" the 3910 to output digitial audio on both i.Link and the coax out for CD? Is this even possible?

(Yes, I have tried to read and search the entire thread and I have combed through ~100 pages of info. but I haven't seen any info on this ;) )

SothothYog,
I was the one that noticed this problem with the Billy Connelly side scrolling credits.. but why would there be any PAL to NTSC conversion? Isn´t the 3910 sending out 576p50hz and the projector(infocus 5700) displaying exactly that?

Does anyone know that has been done in the new 6609-C(I currently have the "B" one) firmware?

It seems that the previous firmware download page no longer exists. After registering as an owner on the new site, I get a message that says "No downloads are currently available for this product".

I'm at the most recent level (DL3), but do not want to miss anything going forward.

Anyone get something different ?

Paul.

It seems that the previous firmware download page no longer exists. After registering as an owner on the new site, I get a message that says "No downloads are currently available for this product".

I'm at the most recent level (DL3), but do not want to miss anything going forward.

Anyone get something different ?

Paul.

I got the same thing. It's my hope, now that we're in the "owners club" updates will be sent via e-mail prior to the general public getting them. :D

It seems that the previous firmware download page no longer exists. After registering as an owner on the new site, I get a message that says "No downloads are currently available for this product".

I'm at the most recent level (DL3), but do not want to miss anything going forward.

Anyone get something different ?

Paul.
That is the most current firmware, which is why the site tells you that there is nothing more recent for you. You do have to keep checking the site every 1-2 months since Denon does not automatically email owners when new firmware becomes available.

That is the most current firmware, which is why the site tells you that there is nothing more recent for you. You do have to keep checking the site every 1-2 months since Denon does not automatically email owners when new firmware becomes available.

Or subscribe to this thread - if you haven't already - as these folks are all OVER the firmware upgrades issue.

I've owned the 3910 ever since it came out and never really needed to know the answer to this question until now. Is there anyway to vertically stretch a 2.35:1 picture so that an anamorphic lens (in front of a projector of course) can unstretch it again to properly show the 2.35:1 picture? I know the stretch and zoom functions are pretty limited, but I thought if anyone would know, you guys would. Thanks!

I'm not yet an owner of an 3910 but will be if it supports what I'm asking. In fact it is the only player (excluding really expensive ones) which might have appropriate bass management. 3910 has quite nice bass management. As far as I understand it is done in PCM. Manual states that BM can be used with DVD-A and after DSD->PCM conversion with SACD also. But... How about normal CD's? I would guess so but could some owner verify this?

I'm planning to use the following combination:
CD's PCM
+
Analog 5.1 output
+
Bass management

Does BM work with music CD's through analog 5.1 output ?
Does it work without sound being automatically converted to DPL2 (or similiar like happens in some players)?

I'm not yet an owner of an 3910 but will be if it supports what I'm asking. In fact it is the only player (excluding really expensive ones) which might have appropriate bass management. 3910 has quite nice bass management. As far as I understand it is done in PCM. Manual states that BM can be used with DVD-A and after DSD->PCM conversion with SACD also. But... How about normal CD's? I would guess so but could some owner verify this?

I'm planning to use the following combination:
CD's PCM
+
Analog 5.1 output
+
Bass management

Does BM work with music CD's through analog 5.1 output ?
Does it work without sound being automatically converted to DPL2 (or similiar like happens in some players)?

It's my understanding that the 3910 has no "surround modes" that derive 5.1 - or any surround format - from 2-channel sources. Hopefully, you'll get replies from some who actually play CD's on their units.

hello everyone, I am new to the forum and decided to introduce myself! I'm Jovani and I recently decided to keep my 3910 after being ratarded and buying both 3910 and 2910........

I'm eager to learn what many of you already know so thanks, and see you in the forums....


Jovani-

hello everyone, I am new to the forum and decided to introduce myself! I'm Jovani and I recently decided to keep my 3910 after being ratarded and buying both 3910 and 2910........

I'm eager to learn what many of you already know so thanks, and see you in the forums....

Jovani, welcome! Although the 3910 has its minor shortcomings (IMHO), you have acquired an excellent piece of equipment. Now that your decision has been made, it's time to enjoy!!

hello everyone, I am new to the forum and decided to introduce myself! I'm Jovani and I recently decided to keep my 3910 after being ratarded and buying both 3910 and 2910........

I'm eager to learn what many of you already know so thanks, and see you in the forums....


Jovani-


Greetings,

Jovani, welcome to the 3910 Family.......


Regards,

Wow, I like friendly peeps....
I had a q- do they make an HDMI or DVI to component..
Dumb question yes, but I wonder if the upconversion is the key to PQ in the 3910?

Wow, I like friendly peeps....
I had a q- do they make an HDMI or DVI to component..
Dumb question yes, but I wonder if the upconversion is the key to PQ in the 3910?


Greetings,

Nope, there is no HDMI/DVI to component adaptor that I am aware of.


Regards,

Hello
Do you know if the last firmware allow to force desenterlacing on movie or video mode
Because like i related to Denon France support, it appears on some dvds R2 (old boy, some disneys and some musci video) that desenterlacing switch regulary (all 1 seconds on old boy R2 for exemple) to movie mode to video mode, creating sort of aliasing (call effet de peigne here in homecinema-fr forum)
Denon support tell me that Deutsh Support tell them to upgrade to the last Dlink3 firmware upgrade ... but i really think that the problem is the dvd conversion from NTSC to PAL ...

Has anybody have this sort of problems with 3910

I just joined the Owner's club. Like a couple of other folks, after logging on and selecting the link for downloads, there are no firmware updates available. I've downloaded the firmware updates in the past. I'm at least one firmware update behind, and would like the latest version. What gives? Are we suppossed to call them up so they can ship the updates to us now?

Thanks,

randman

The latest firmware was from July. Are you sure you're not up-to-date?

I just joined the Owner's club. Like a couple of other folks, after logging on and selecting the link for downloads, there are no firmware updates available. I've downloaded the firmware updates in the past. I'm at least one firmware update behind, and would like the latest version. What gives? Are we suppossed to call them up so they can ship the updates to us now?

Thanks,

randman

I have the same problem and I just purchased the player. When I go to Denon owners page I get the same response. My firmware says it is ess6609, 625a, 030825,6767, 6770, 20040609 is that the most current update?

I just realized that I have an old firmare, is it better for me to wait for Denon to send me the update or download it from here somewhere?

I just bought this player and am puzzled by one thing. I want to use the Denon Link to my 3805, but that option to turn it on is grayed out. Any ideas? Thanks in advance!

-Robb

I just bought this player and am puzzled by one thing. I want to use the Denon Link to my 3805, but that option to turn it on is grayed out. Any ideas? Thanks in advance!

-Robb

Quoted from JBaumgart a couple of pages back:

To "unghost" the DLink so you can activate it, you also have to go further into the setup, and I believe activate MultiLink - sorry I have not done this in a while but I think this is it. Then you can use DLink for DVD Audio, until you get a chance to download (or wait for the cd's from Denon) the DL3 update. Then SACD's will also work.

JohnG,

Thanks for pointing that post out to me. It actually led me to Pete's post which had the answer -- make certain there is no disk in the player. I'm not sure why it won't let you turn on the Denon Link if there's a disk in the player, but at least I'm up and running with it. Thanks!

-Robb

Can someone point me to a location where I can download the R1 DL3 update for the 3910? I've searched most of this thread and could only find the R2 info, and at this point I'm not willing to try the MR hack. I will be getting a 3910 early next week, and would like the DL3 update if the unit does not already have it. Thanks!

Can someone point me to a location where I can download the R1 DL3 update for the 3910? I've searched most of this thread and could only find the R2 info, and at this point I'm not willing to try the MR hack. I will be getting a 3910 early next week, and would like the DL3 update if the unit does not already have it. Thanks!

Bob,

Where are you buying it from? The one I plugged in just yesterday came with Denon Link 3.

-Robb

I’m at my wits end! I purchased the Denon 3910 about three months ago from the Home Theatre Store. When I received it, I checked to see if the firmware was current. It turned out I needed an upgrade so I ordered from the website. I finally received the cd’s in the mail after waiting for two months. I followed the direction to the letter and everything worked the way it said. I have the 3910 connected to the Denon 3805 via DLink. I put a SACD in to play and still nothing! (I have the 3805 digital input set to dlink). Frustrated I decided to put a movie in and watch that. The problem is, it used to work fine with DVD’s, but now I get zero sound. I decided to pull the Dlink off and connect via digital COAX. The first thing I did was put SACD in to see if it worked, and it did! Listened to the SACD and then put another one in and nothing! Now I’m really confused. I decide that maybe it’s the disk so I put the one I just finished listening to back in. Now it doesn’t work either. ?!?!?!? I put a DVD in and that works fine. I am thoroughly confused with the 3910, and for the amount of money I spent it just adds salt to the wound. Anyone have any suggestions on what to do that doesn’t involve small arms fire or C4?

The only way you were hearing SACD over the coax link was if you were listening the stereo CD/redbook layer, PCM stereo. Not SACD.

Are you sure you have the DenonLink update on your 3910? It just came out as part of the latest July updated version ESS6690-B.

Can someone point me to a location where I can download the R1 DL3 update for the 3910? I've searched most of this thread and could only find the R2 info, and at this point I'm not willing to try the MR hack. I will be getting a 3910 early next week, and would like the DL3 update if the unit does not already have it. Thanks!

The Denon website. You'll have to register once it arrives. It might already have DL3 active when you get it.

I have the 3910 connected to the Denon 3805 via DLink. I put a SACD in to play and still nothing! (I have the 3805 digital input set to dlink).

How did you activate DL3 in the 3805?
Did you select DL3 in the 3910?

O.K....I'm an idiot, I posted without reading the recent posts. The posts above saying you could only set the Dlink without a disk in was the key. I figured it had something to do with not being able to highlight the Dlink in the setup menu, but I thought it was the unit. How stupid is that that you cannot set the dlink with a disk in? Wierd....Everything works fine now.

Ok guys,

I've registered my 3805 and 3910 on the Denon website. Now I want my DL3 firmware update, but it says there are no updates currently available. Any info I should have?

Bob,

Where are you buying it from? The one I plugged in just yesterday came with Denon Link 3.

-Robb
I'm buying from an east coast dealer, and the manufacture date is very recent. Chances are it already has the latest firmware, but just in case it doesn't it would be nice to know a place where I can get it quickly. From what others have indicated on this forum, it appears that firmware updates are no longer available on the Denon website.

Ok guys,

I've registered my 3805 and 3910 on the Denon website. Now I want my DL3 firmware update, but it says there are no updates currently available. Any info I should have?

What's the build date of your 3910?

Check back a few post for the number of the latest firmware. You can also find how to check your firmware version with a quick search of this thread.

The latest firmware was from July. Are you sure you're not up-to-date?

It turns out I downloaded the July 2005 firmware upgrade (but haven't upgraded my DVD-3910 with it yet). I thought that there was a newer version than the July version.

Thanks,

randman

Nope, the July update is definitely the latest (I just received it in the mail from Denon last week).

i bought my 3910 the month it came out. I know that I need the July firmware because I've never gotten it. I got all the others thru the mail, but have not gotten the DL3 one yet. Is there a way to e-mail them?

How stupid is that that you cannot set the dlink with a disk in? Wierd....Everything works fine now.

Actually, you can have a disk in, but you must hit stop twice, to make sure the recall mode is not engaged. In my previous post I suggested removing the disk just to eliminate any uncertainties for someone who was having a problem.

DigiPete

Thanks DigiPete, you added years to my life! And probably saved me some jail for not having to discharge a firearm in the city limits! ;-)

Hi,

I am a new 3910 owner. I resisted buying it until this month, after DL-3 was available on this model in Australia. My plan for this player since I bought my AVR-3805 last year was to locate the DVD player next to my projector, behind my couch, using Denon-Link to connect it to my receiver, located at the screen.

Today, I took delivery of a 25' CAT-7 cable, rated at 750 MHz, hoping that it would to the job. I am exteremly disappointed to say that the performance of the 25' cable vs the Denon supplied short Denon-Link cable, on DVD-Audio was underwhelming. The crispness, sparkle, attack, high frequency response of Diana Krall's "The Look of Love", was just not comparable while doing an A-B evaluation.

If I had not compared the 2 cables, I would have found the performance acceptable. But, I did not buy a pricy DVD player to live with second-rate performance. Does anyone here have better experiences with using long cables for Denon-Link?

Cheers,

Andrew

Please help - have denon avr 3805 processor. getting denon 2910 dvd (sorry no 3901). The question is still relevant to the 3901 owners.

A past audiophile article mentioned liking the 3910 audio better with the 5.1 hook up vs the denon link. What about the coax digital audio output? Is it any better than the 5.1 audio connections.
ie. do I get 6 more audio cable connections ( for 5.1) or does the coaxial digital cable deliver the same (or better) audio quality. ( no denon link with the 2910)

Thanks, John

Please help - have denon avr 3805 processor. getting denon 2910 dvd (sorry no 3901). The question is still relevant to the 3901 owners.

A past audiophile article mentioned liking the 3910 audio better with the 5.1 hook up vs the denon link. What about the coax digital audio output? Is it any better than the 5.1 audio connections.
ie. do I get 6 more audio cable connections ( for 5.1) or does the coaxial digital cable deliver the same (or better) audio quality. ( no denon link with the 2910)

Thanks, John

Generally, the audio quality of a digital connection is better than the best analog connection. Five-point-one SACD/DVD-A analog outs are no exception.

Generally, the audio quality of a digital connection is better than the best analog connection. Five-point-one SACD/DVD-A analog outs are no exception.

WOW, Where did you come up with that? Talk about a gross generalization. :rolleyes:

John, You're gonna need six analog interconnects to listen to SACD and DVD/A anyway, so let your ears be the judge...

WOW, Where did you come up with that? Talk about a gross generalization. :rolleyes:

John, You're gonna need six analog interconnects to listen to SACD and DVD/A anyway, so let your ears be the judge...

I think I said "gernerally" didn't I? Yes, I said generally! I'm not sure why, though, because a digital audio connection is ALWAYS better than analog. But I should get dinged for not answering in the correct context of his question. My bad.

Always better? Thats very subjective and false in many instances. Perfect example; In my shop, we have the 3805 and the 3910 set up in one of our audio rooms. (very similar equipment to what John was asking about) IMO, as well as the rest of the sales staff, the combo sounds better with external input selected. Its not rocket science, you can switch back and forth between the two with the click of a button. Not as easy switching between Denon Link and external input but very similar findings.

We did however get different results with the 5805 ;)

My understanding is that to a large extent, whether you go with digital vs analog out put from the 3910 depends on whether you want to use the digital to analog converters (dacs) in the dvd player vs the receiver/amp. The dacs in the 3910 are very good--better even than the dacs in the 3805. So many people prefer to go analog from the 3910. Of course, the convenience of using denon link instead of 6 analog cables may outweigh the slight audio advantage from using the 3910's dacs in some people's view (like mine).

Always better? Thats very subjective and false in many instances.

Can't argue that either method would be "always better", because it's impossible to hear the two in all combinations of systems/rooms/recordings. But in my experience there is a distinct advantage to the digital connection (D-Link) over analog. I do still A-B them occasionally, and with nearly all my high-rez music and all of my DVD's, I much prefer the D-Link connection.

And of all the updates, getting the DL3 was the most valuable to me by far, as my SACD's now sound so much better. I attribute this mostly to my listening room, which benefits greatly from the Auto/Room EQ.

I have been away from this thread for awhile. I have heard rumors of a new available firmware upgrade (last month or so), that improves HDMI on the 3910. Without having to go through the thread, can someone tell me any info on this (if true). Thanks in advance :)

The last firmware was released in July. It added SACD over D-Link and some HDMI improvements. You can download it from the Denon website.

The last firmware was released in July. It added SACD over D-Link and some HDMI improvements. You can download it from the Denon website.

Thank you. My last upgrade had something like ESS 9 B, and it was earlier this year, so it does sound like a new one out there. I will check the Denon site for it.

Does it actually improve the picture quality?

Thank you. My last upgrade had something like ESS 9 B, and it was earlier this year, so it does sound like a new one out there. I will check the Denon site for it.

Does it actually improve the picture quality?

I think the newest one *is* ESS 9 B.

Hello Members,
I just updated my 3910 to firmware ESS-6609-B is this latest Firmware?
I am asking because my copy of Raging Bull continues to stick.

Did you even read the LAST post?

Ok are there any members that are having issues with Raging Bull after the update?

Ok are there any members that are having issues with Raging Bull after the update?

In short, I read in this thread where fixing Raging Bull problems is mentioned as a fix with the latest firmware, but don't see anyone saying it fixed it.

Try this and read for yourself: Go to the top of the page where it says "search this thread" and enter "raging bull." It will return a half dozen or so mentions of that DVD. It'll take you 20 seconds.

Hello,

Where can I get the latest firmware for the 3910 with also the region free mod?

At denon site I can't find it.

Please help.

Thanks

Khalid

I finally got around to hooking up my 3910 with a set of multi output cables.
I tried playing a SACD and all I get is 2 channel audio through the speakers.
I set the 3910 to multi out. The display reads MULTI but;
only highlights the Front L &R.
My Rotel is set to Multi input and displays all my speakers.

I tried several SACD's. All with the same result.

I thought SACD plays through all speakers.
Did I miss a setting?

Thanks.

I finally got around to hooking up my 3910 with a set of multi output cables.
I tried playing a SACD and all I get is 2 channel audio through the speakers.
I set the 3910 to multi out. The display reads MULTI but;
only highlights the Front L &R.
My Rotel is set to Multi input and displays all my speakers.

I tried several SACD's. All with the same result.

I thought SACD plays through all speakers.
Did I miss a setting?

Thanks.

I don't have any SACD's, but I know that some of them are only 2-channel. There's probably tech info on the liner.

You probably only have 2-channel discs. Look on the back of the CD jacket and it will tell you if it is multichannel or not.

I finally got around to hooking up my 3910 with a set of multi output cables.
I tried playing a SACD and all I get is 2 channel audio through the speakers.
I set the 3910 to multi out. The display reads MULTI but;
only highlights the Front L &R.
My Rotel is set to Multi input and displays all my speakers.

I tried several SACD's. All with the same result.

I thought SACD plays through all speakers.
Did I miss a setting?

Thanks.

No, you didn't miss anything. I also am using a Rotel 1066 with a 3910 and going out via MULTI. I have many SACD media and almost half are 2 channel audio. I run all my high resolution cd/dvd media MULTI channel. You can set up your 1066 (if that's what you have) to also send signal to you sub through the 1066 setup menu by configuring the sub to MAX in the speaker setup. This will send signal through analog MULTI at 2.1 format (it's not true 2.1 but the 1066 does separate LFE to the sub). You may want to look closely at the documentation of the SACD's in question and verify it's a "Multi Channel" CD and not a "Stereo" CD. The Rotel and the 3910 is quite a setup is it not? The sound quality of this unit is truly incredible. :D

SC

Hello,

Where can I get the latest firmware for the 3910 with also the region free mod?

At denon site I can't find it.

Please help.

Thanks

Khalid

Search this thread for "region free", I remember reading a post with a link to the region free file along with the -B firmware update.

SC

Search this thread for "region free", I remember reading a post with a link to the region free file along with the -B firmware update.

SC

http://www.avforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1779804&postcount=263

Has anyone tried media writen with a Memorex 16X Dual Format Double-Layer DVD Recorder and have any issues with the 3910? I am looking at buying this burner for the PC to transfer movies to DVD, but I wonder about the compatability with the Denon because it is kind of picky about what it will run sometimes.

Dave

Has anyone tried media writen with a Memorex 16X Dual Format Double-Layer DVD Recorder and have any issues with the 3910? I am looking at buying this burner for the PC to transfer movies to DVD, but I wonder about the compatability with the Denon because it is kind of picky about what it will run sometimes.

Dave

I use a Pioneer DVR-109 16x16 DL burner and I've had two or three coasters so far out of about 150 DVD's. I'm using 16x media by Tayo Yuden burning at 16x and have had relatively good success. I have had issues with the 3910 reading media with gum lables, they usually stop playing at random places on the disc. I've pulled the lables off (which was a royal pain in the arss) and they play just fine. This Denon is extreemely picky on what's on the media. I also have +'s and -'s recorded and it really doesn't care, it plays them all.

Hope this helps.

SC

Thanks Badabbing...I'll check that model out as well!

Is the MR hack completely independent of firmware updates, i.e. if I install it will it in any way regress my firmware update and/or prevent me from upgrading to newer firmware down the road?

Is the MR hack completely independent of firmware updates, i.e. if I install it will it in any way regress my firmware update and/or prevent me from upgrading to newer firmware down the road?

The hack IS firmware. You can upgrade to newer versions at any time, but unless the newer version is also MR, you will loose MR capabilities. However, new MR versions seem to get "released" on a regular basis.

thanks for the help guys!

succesfully updated the player and made it region free also.

Khalid

I am guessing that what I am seeing on certain DVDs on black scenes are black crush. How can I reduce this?

I am guessing that what I am seeing on certain DVDs on black scenes are black crush. How can I reduce this?
Can you describe exactly what you're seeing? What display are you using and have you calibrated it with a test disc such as Avia or Digital Video Essentials (DVE)?

Can you describe exactly what you're seeing? What display are you using and have you calibrated it with a test disc such as Avia or Digital Video Essentials (DVE)?

I have the 3910 matched to a Qualia 006. On black scenes, there are blotches of lighter black colors (gray) popping in and out. Sorry this is the best that I can describe it and on some DVDs only. This does not happen with regular TV watching, or with any other source (xBox, LD player). I have not calibrated at all.

I have the 3910 matched to a Qualia 006. On black scenes, there are blotches of lighter black colors (gray) popping in and out. Sorry this is the best that I can describe it and on some DVDs only. This does not happen with regular TV watching, or with any other source (xBox, LD player). I have not calibrated at all.
I'm not sure exactly what you mean by "popping in and out", but I recommend that you calibrate your display before going any further. That can solve a lot of problems.

Do you folks have any DVE calibration guidance?
I'm using a Hitachi 65swx20b and the 3910 connected via DVI.
Let's say you're working with Chroma. Obviously when you run the DVE you have two options, one is adjust the TV and the other adjust the 3910. Do you start the TV at 0 and adjust the 3910 or do you adjust the TV Chroma and leave the 3910 Chroma alone. The adjustments you make at the TV will impact all the inputs (HD TIVO and regular programming). On the other hand adjustments made at the 3910 will only have an impact when viewing DVD media. Did I answer my own ?. I've had a rough week, what can I say. I'm just trying to do this right the first time so I don't have to do it over and over. :confused:

Thanks for the assistance,

SC

I've had a rough week, what can I say. I'm just trying to do this right the first time so I don't have to do it over and over. :confused:
A worthy, but rarely achieved, goal. :)

Do you folks have any DVE calibration guidance?
I'm using a Hitachi 65swx20b and the 3910 connected via DVI.
Let's say you're working with Chroma. Obviously when you run the DVE you have two options, one is adjust the TV and the other adjust the 3910. Do you start the TV at 0 and adjust the 3910 or do you adjust the TV Chroma and leave the 3910 Chroma alone. The adjustments you make at the TV will impact all the inputs (HD TIVO and regular programming). On the other hand adjustments made at the 3910 will only have an impact when viewing DVD media. Did I answer my own ?.

If you watch TV, then calibrate the display for that, and then calibrate the 3910 for playing DVDs. That way both will display - more or less - correctly.

A worthy, but rarely achieved, goal. :)


If you watch TV, then calibrate the display for that, and then calibrate the 3910 for playing DVDs. That way both will display - more or less - correctly.

Can I get an Amen?

I'm thinking do a calibration with a low end DVD player through the front input via S-video and get the TV relatively close. Then do the 3910 calibration via DVI and fine tune from there. What do you think? :cool:

SC

Can I get an Amen?

I'm thinking do a calibration with a low end DVD player through the front input via S-video and get the TV relatively close. Then do the 3910 calibration via DVI and fine tune from there. What do you think? :cool:

SC

I would have thought that was a good idea until it was pointed out to me the HDNet ran a 10 minute test pattern on Tuesday mornings. (I've got an SA8300HD (DVR) and have it captured there.)

I have the 3910 matched to a Qualia 006. On black scenes, there are blotches of lighter black colors (gray) popping in and out. Sorry this is the best that I can describe it and on some DVDs only. This does not happen with regular TV watching, or with any other source (xBox, LD player). I have not calibrated at all.

It's definitely the Qualia. You'll need to ship it to me for two years of extended testing. Please include a check to cover the cost of the 1080p upgrade and a couple dozen bulbs as it will need to run 24/7. :D

Aw, it's just so touching to see the love here on this forum. :)

Why wouldn't you calibrate just the Qualia, separately for each of its different inputs, assuming that each source is in fact going to different inputs, i.e. not through a receiver to a single input?

Why wouldn't you calibrate just the Qualia, separately for each of its different inputs, assuming that each source is in fact going to different inputs, i.e. not through a receiver to a single input?
Good point. I'm not familiar with his setup, but if everything has it's own input, that would be the way to go.

Well, I returned my Denon 3910 today because I was not satisfied with it... They even offered to take off an addition 300.00 to keep it but I said F-it!

I was not satisfied with the component output.... Audio was great but oh well, I will settle for freakishly good working DENON 1600 with crappy audio that I've had for 3 years and wait until I can SEE a better DVD player that puts out better than my 1600.

I realize you guys must be shocked to hear this but it is true!!
Oh, BTW Goodguys is CLOSING DOWN.......!!! Good deals abroad because they offered me an out the door price of 863.49 for the 3910 to keep it W the 5 year warranty!!!!

I was not satisfied with the component output....
Of course, most of us are using a DVI or HDMI connection.

That sucks about the good guys. I have a friend that manages the store in Santa Rosa. Well, there goes one good connection I had!

That sucks about the good guys. I have a friend that manages the store in Santa Rosa. Well, there goes one good connection I had!

Yes, this definitely sucks. I've purchased most of my equipment from them.

All California Good Guys stores close, while home entertainment products and expertise expand within CompUSA locations.

In response to consumer buying preferences and demands, Good Guys is closing the doors to its 46 locations.



But don’t worry. The same home entertainment products and experienced staff you know and trust will soon be found exclusively inside California & Hawaii CompUSA stores.

It's definitely the Qualia. You'll need to ship it to me for two years of extended testing. Please include a check to cover the cost of the 1080p upgrade and a couple dozen bulbs as it will need to run 24/7. :D

This is not a bad idea if not the Qualia weighing so much! lol

Why wouldn't you calibrate just the Qualia, separately for each of its different inputs, assuming that each source is in fact going to different inputs, i.e. not through a receiver to a single input?

I will eventually do this, preferably with UMR, who already has a great reputation working with the Qualia. Until then, I just thought there was something I could do to control it.

This is not a bad idea if not the Qualia weighing so much! lol

I was actually thinking 004 but i'll be just as happy with the 006. :D

Well I managed to pick up a unused month and half old 3910 with full warranty for peanuts comparatively. I'm part of the club now , just waiting for that 60" SXRD to arrive :D

Well I managed to pick up a unused month and half old 3910 with full warranty for peanuts comparatively. I'm part of the club now , just waiting for that 60" SXRD to arrive :D

Wow, another very nice combo.

I'm sure your SXRD will be defective, you'll need to ship it to me for extended testing as well. :D

Well I managed to pick up a unused month and half old 3910 with full warranty for peanuts comparatively. I'm part of the club now , just waiting for that 60" SXRD to arrive :D
Welcome! This club has many helpful members such as JohnGZ28.

Guys,

Can somebody give me a link to the latest MultiRegion Firmware for 3910. The one I am currently using is -9. I have tried one link on this forum, but it seems that the file is not there anymore.

Thank you.

Guys,

Can somebody give me a link to the latest MultiRegion Firmware for 3910. The one I am currently using is -9. I have tried one link on this forum, but it seems that the file is not there anymore.

Thank you.

see my post on the previous page of this thread. Link still works. Cheers!

Guys,

thanks for the help. I did the DL3 update and the -B Regionfree to my player and everything is OK now. Thnks for the help. On AV forums I see somebody got a -C Multi Reegion firmware in his 3910 from his dealer. Let's hope we will get it soon also.

Keep up the good work.

Guys,

On AV forums I see somebody got a -C Multi Reegion firmware in his 3910 from his dealer. Let's hope we will get it soon also.

Keep up the good work.

Any word on what the -C updates?

Any word on what the -C updates?

It is a mystery at this point

I am getting the 3910 this week, and an Anthem AVM30, what is the best way to hook the two up together?

Thanks

I am getting the 3910 this week, and an Anthem AVM30, what is the best way to hook the two up together?

Thanks

You're going to need both digital (Optical or Coax) and Multi-Channel. Although I have a Rotel 1066 connected to my 3910 I have a friend with an AVM30 and definately go Multi-Channel analog for DVD-Audio and SACD. I believe the AVM30 has the ability to switch between the two connections on the fly for comparison. I would not attach any switching devices on the video connection, if you can go directly to the display via DVI or HDMI to get the benefit of upscaling to 1080i. :D

SC

I used to be able to get firmware updates from the Denon web site.

Since they changed their web format, firmware downloads are not available. I suspect eventually the new site will have them, but it doesn't yet.

I have ESS-6609-B, Make day 413D, SYS-6767-5 CNE-20041028 which I believe is the latest.

Does anyone know anything else?

/George

I just received a B-stock 3910 and it does not recognize DVD or SACD discs. It does play DVD-R, CD, and DVD-A discs. When I insert a DVD or SACD, it displays the same screen as if the tray was empty.

I installed the new firmware and region free software so that my firmware is now
ESS 6609-B
Make Day 413D
DRV 030825
System 6767-5
DSP 6770
C 20041028

Denon tech support said it is possible that the laser is out of focus after being shaken in shipping. The box looked fine when I received it. Is there anything else I should check before I send it for repair?

Got my 3910, coupled with the SXRD = stunning. The only issue I can see is this faint thin grey bar when playing movies on the 3910 ONLY. This doesn't show up anywhere, except with this player and playing movies. It's located near bottom of the screen.

Anyone have any ideas wtf this is?

Got my 3910, coupled with the SXRD = stunning. The only issue I can see is this faint thin grey bar when playing movies on the 3910 ONLY. This doesn't show up anywhere, except with this player and playing movies. It's located near bottom of the screen.

Anyone have any ideas wtf this is?

Nevermind fixed it. Setup menu, changed to enhanced black level and 16:9 tv ;) STUNNING TIMES 3.

Got my 3910, coupled with the SXRD = stunning. The only issue I can see is this faint thin grey bar when playing movies on the 3910 ONLY. This doesn't show up anywhere, except with this player and playing movies. It's located near bottom of the screen.

Anyone have any ideas wtf this is?

See, I told you it would be defective. Might as well just pack it back up and ship it on over to me. :D

Congrats on the combo!

Nevermind fixed it. Setup menu, changed to enhanced black level and 16:9 tv ;) STUNNING TIMES 3.
Try Normal (not enhanced) black level, and then calibrate your display using AVIA. It should then be stunning times 4!

Nevermind fixed it. Setup menu, changed to enhanced black level and 16:9 tv ;) STUNNING TIMES 3.
It was probably the 16:9 display setting that got rid of it.

Nevermind fixed it. Setup menu, changed to enhanced black level and 16:9 tv ;) STUNNING TIMES 3.


Glad to hear you haven't ran across any problems with the 3910 & SXRD.
I'm picking up my 3910 tomorrow and my 60"SXRD will be delivered next Tuesday! :D :D <----- my face really looks like that!!! Early X-Mas for me!

Glad to hear you haven't ran across any problems with the 3910 & SXRD.
I'm picking up my 3910 tomorrow and my 60"SXRD will be delivered next Tuesday! :D :D <----- my face really looks like that!!! Early X-Mas for me!
Absolutely killer combo...god damn...DVD never looked so good! :D Did I mention HD???? :eek:

Jason

Absolutely killer combo...god damn...DVD never looked so good! :D Did I mention HD???? :eek:

Jason
I consider the 3910 so good as to be the last SD DVD player I buy before hi-def optical. Some may "plug" 2910 or 5910 into that sentence, but for me the 5910 was just too much to drop on the eve of HD-DVD/BD.

Just my $.02.

Hey Guys,

Quick question... picked up my 3910 today and it is a Sept.04 build... should I be concerned?
Comments please!

You can download the latest firmware from the Denon.com website (after registering your player). Welcome to the club!

You can download the latest firmware from the Denon.com website (after registering your player). Welcome to the club!


Thanks BillP

So, no big deal ?? Just do the firmware upgrade and not worry with the date thing??

There were some 3910's that did not pass BTB (built around last August). You can check quickly whether your player passes BTB with the TXH Optimizer found on many DVDs (including Star Wars). If it does, then with the latest firmware, you're golden. If it doesn't, I'd exchange it from where you bought it (based on the build date, it was probably just sitting at the bottom of a stack in a warehouse).

Hello all. I got a chance to eval the 3910 with a Sony HS51. Boy, the 3910's analog out is as close to flawless as I could imagine.

Do any of the firmware updates add 480i over HDMI?

Thanks,
Ken

Do any of the firmware updates add 480i over HDMI?

No. That's not going to happen, unfortunately. If that's a need for you, you'll have to go with another player, like Sony or Pioneer which do output 480i over HDMI. I'm very happy with 720p output to my 720p DLP.

There were some 3910's that did not pass BTB (built around last August). You can check quickly whether your player passes BTB with the TXH Optimizer found on many DVDs (including Star Wars). If it does, then with the latest firmware, you're golden. If it doesn't, I'd exchange it from where you bought it (based on the build date, it was probably just sitting at the bottom of a stack in a warehouse).


Yeah, I was surprised / disappointed in the build date when I saw it! :( :(

The temporary TV that I have in place until I get my SXRD next week only as S-Video :rolleyes: will I still be able to check that with just S-Video?? If so, Ill go ahead and hook it up if not, I won't mess with it now.


BTW, I guess the Denon USA site is down or something.

If you live in the US, go to denon.com and then click on USA (I just did, and the site works fine).

If you live in the US, go to denon.com and then click on USA (I just did, and the site works fine).


Thanks!

Can you tell if I should or shouldn't see the THX shadow.... I've been digging but, a lot to dig though.

If it doesn't pass BTB I'm not going to mess with the firmware.... it'll go back.

I've got it hooked up so, all I need to know is.... S-Video ok to use for testing and what to look for.

s-vid is ok if you wanna check 480i performance ;)

Do you think the SXRD will display BTB?

s-vid is ok if you wanna check 480i performance ;)

Do you think the SXRD will display BTB?


What are you trying to say? That it doesn't matter if it passes BTB??

Id bet that if your unit passes BTB and I broke into your home and swapped it for a unit that didn't, You wouldn't notice it. (unless you watch test patterns every week)

Id bet that if your unit passes BTB and I broke into your home and swapped it for a unit that didn't, You wouldn't notice it. (unless you watch test patterns every week)
Although I understand your point (does BTB really matter), the 3910 is supposed to pass BTB (mine does), and so if his doesn't, he should exchange it for one that does.

TXH explains it pretty clearly. When you adjust the black level up and down, you should very easily see the shadow. I don't know whether it works over S-video, however (I've only checked via component and DVI).

Id bet that if your unit passes BTB and I broke into your home and swapped it for a unit that didn't, You wouldn't notice it. (unless you watch test patterns every week)


I'd bet if you broke into my house with one that didn't.... I'd have two!! :D :D
Just kidding Tom...

Here's the way I see it.... It is an advertised feature of the player so, regardless if I’ll use it or see it (in this case) is irrelevant. I payed for it.... I want it. If the remote was broke but, I’m not going to use it doesn’t mean I should just blow it off. And it could potentially hurt the resell value.

I just need to make sure I’m testing it correctly and the setup that I’m using can test for BTB.
Setup being S-video and 27"crt. This is obviously a temp. setup until the new TV gets here. If I can confirm the player doesn’t pass BTB I can exchange it before the TV gets here and be done with it.

OK, I can NOT see the shadow. Not really all that surprised... the manf. date that it is. So, if someone can confirm that the setup doesn’t matter I’ll be off to the dealer.

Probably the last of his stock!

You can always bring it to the dealer, along with your THX DVD, to try in the store with a proper component or HDMI/DVI connection. I bought mine Sept '04, and it was built in May 2004. It's funny because I was upset at the time (I thought I wanted a later one to give Denon time to work out the bugs), and it turned out that the April-June ones were fine, July-Sept could not pass BTB, and then they fixed their process and have made them fine since. If you cannot see the THX shadow at the store, exchange it for one with a current build date! I'm sure you lose some shadow detail if it cannot pass BTB. Denon would fix it for you, but you would have to pay to ship it to them.

Sorry if this was asked and answered before:

Does 3910 output S/PDIF through coax/TOS outputs when Denon Link 3 is connected and active?
If not, is it easy to switch output between DL3 and S/PDIF, i.e., without going through set-up menu?

Picked up my 3910 tonight. My TV only excepts componet cables or S video, I think that componet is the better way to get the signal to the TV. I am going to by pass the reciever processor, so I can get a better picture.

Michael

Thanks!

Can you tell if I should or shouldn't see the THX shadow.... I've been digging but, a lot to dig though.

What THX shadow?

Michael

Picked up my 3910 tonight. My TV only excepts componet cables or S video, I think that componet is the better way to get the signal to the TV. I am going to by pass the reciever processor, so I can get a better picture.

Michael


Your thinking is correct Sir....

I just pulled mine out of the box and it has a build date of August 2004, dam this thing has sat around for 13 months.

Is this a problem?

Michael

I just pulled mine out of the box and it has a build date of August 2004, dam this thing has sat around for 13 months.

Is this a problem?

Michael

See posts above re: Sept 2004 build.

Another dumb question: Does 3910 come with DL3 cable?

Another dumb question: Does 3910 come with DL3 cable?

It comes with a Denon Link cable that will work for DL3 if DL3 is enabled on your player and you have a compatible Denon receiver.

I just looked and have firmware 6609-2, looks like 6609-B is the current one, where can I find it, since Denon site says I don't have any downloads.

Michael

Hi,

can someone tell me where the shadow on the THX optimizer material is? (IE the test for BTB signals?)

God bless...

Mark

I just purchased a new 3910. It's a recent build, as it already had Denon Link 3 installed out of the box.

I tried connecting the 3910 to my Sony KV-34XBR800 via DVI, and I get no picture. I tried DVI 480p, 720p, and 1080i, but still no picture. It works fine through both component and S-Video.

Is this an HDCP problem, or am I missing something obvious?

Hi,

can someone tell me where the shadow on the THX optimizer material is? (IE the test for BTB signals?)

God bless...

Mark

http://www.thx.com/mod/products/dvd/brightness.html

I hope someone else has seen this before. I picked up the SDI modified player from JVB
back in july. I performed the DL3 upgrade with no problems as soon as the firmware
was available and I've had no problems whatsoever with the player since purchase. It
passes BTB and I've been pleased.

Two days ago I went to turn the player on and it froze at the initial power on sequence.
The front display says DVD-3910 and none of the buttons respond. I can't open the
platter or put the player in standby. I unplugged the unit for a while to see if that
would help. No joy. I can't even factory reset the player due to the whole no button
response thing.

Anyone have any words of wisdom?


Hecubus

Call JVB.

I just purchased a new 3910. It's a recent build, as it already had Denon Link 3 installed out of the box.

I tried connecting the 3910 to my Sony KV-34XBR800 via DVI, and I get no picture. I tried DVI 480p, 720p, and 1080i, but still no picture. It works fine through both component and S-Video.

Is this an HDCP problem, or am I missing something obvious?

Well, never mind. I hooked it back up this morning via DVI and it works fine. It certainly is a sharper picture than my old player, a Philips Q50, and DVI 720p looks a bit sharper than component.

I have the 3910 connected to a Denon 3805 receiver via Denon Link, and I'm very pleased with both SACD and DVD-A.

No buyer's remorse here...

You can download the latest firmware from the Denon.com website (after registering your player). Welcome to the club!

My player is registered but since Denon has introduced their new site, I see "no firmware updates are available for this product" when I log in.

I'm wondering if the new site isn't enabled yet or if there are just no updates since the DL3 one in July.

Has anyone else been able to download firmware since the redesigned Denon site was introduced?

/George

As far as I know the answers are "No" and "No". :)

I am upgrading my system and need some cable help/suggestion.
I have been saving and thinking about this for a year so send me all your insight before i waste any more time/ $$.

I am getting ( atlest today's thought) PIO 5060 wallmounted
I have a dENON 3803 connected to a pan RP82 for dvd and aSony SE775 for SACD. I want to replace those two players for one unit. 3910.

I can use my current analog cables for the 5.1 SACD portion. 3803 to 3910.

Media Box:
1. do i need any cables from the mediabox for the music?
2. from the media box- what cable do i need ? to the denon 3803 and to the 3910?
HDMI for 3910 to media box- right
componet from 3803 to media box- how many.
is it better to go HDMI/DVI to rgy ?
3. TV CABLE co. I haven't decided on Comcast or DISH *1 or *2. ( or should i go ahead of time so i can check the Plasma out rightaway)
4. cables from TV Cable co to the Denon??
5. plasma's speaker" where do i connect the wires? media box or to 3803
I was planning to purchase cables from Bulejeans

Hello all,

Well seeing as Denon doesn't seem to have easy access, or have any access at all to the 9b firmware download on their new WebSite; I managed to keep a copy of the firmware on my PC (even though I can't actually use the US firmware update on my machine :) I just thought it may come in handy sometime . . .)

So if anyone would like a copy of the US version Denon 3910 6609-B with DL3 firmware update, PM me with your e-mail address and I'll see what I can do.

The original file was 1.6MB big, which is a little to large for email, so I have split the file into three parts (so that'll mean three emails).
I can send it as a .ZIP file or a .RAR file. (the .RAR format is probably the best way to go and you can get a free version of the required software from www.rarlabs.com (www.rarlabs.com) or www.win-rar.com. Let me know which you'd prefer in the PM

[EDIT]

Or alternatively, you can hopfully, succesfully download the file from here:
Denon.zip (http://www.geocities.com/kajkanjan/Denon.zip)
Knowing what sometime can happen, I will note that I’ll not be held responsible for any mishaps/damage/explosions that may occur in your downloading/using this file.
You download the file at your own risk, and on clicking the link above, you accept the above and agree that you’ll not blame/hassle me with problems that may arise with your individual use . . . :)



Cheers ;)
KJ
If it is not allowed for me to do this, somebody, or admin, please let me know, and I will delete the post ASAP. Though I can't see why not :) )

Hello all,

Well seeing as Denon doesn't seem to have easy access, or have any access at all to the 9b firmware download on their new WebSite; I managed to keep a copy of the firmware on my PC (even though I can't actually use the US firmware update on my machine :) I just thought it may come in handy sometime . . .)

So if anyone would like a copy of the US version Denon 3910 6609-B with DL3 firmware update, PM me with your e-mail address and I'll see what I can do.

The original file was 1.6MB big, which is a little to large for email, so I have split the file into three parts (so that'll mean three emails).
I can send it as a .ZIP file or a .RAR file. (the .RAR format is probably the best way to go and you can get a free version of the required software from www.rarlabs.com (www.rarlabs.com) or www.win-rar.com. Let me know which you'd prefer in the PM

Cheers ;)
KJ
If it is not allowed for me to do this, somebody, or admin, please let me know, and I will delete the post ASAP. Though I can't see why not :) )

Many ISPs have allocated 5MB or so of space for a personal website that is included with your internet service. If yours does that, you could activate it and upload the entire file for d/l. Just a thought . . . as I'm not sure anyone would be willing to take the chance of mis-assembling a file and hosing their unit.

Hello,
My ISP doesn't have storage like that (it only allows picture hosting I think)
But I can assure you that the splitting of a zip/rar file using the software, has less risk of any corruption than that of actually downloading the file off the internet :) Plus you can test the intergity of the compressed file using the software to see if all the info is present.
Splitting the volume really should be a concern :D

However, if people would feel safer downloading a file that's 'untouched', I'll see if I can sign up to some service that gives me a bit of internet strage space. (If anyone knows of a good one, let me know :))

Anyways,

Cheers again,
KJ

Hello,
My ISP doesn't have storage like that (it only allows picture hosting I think)
But I can assure you that the splitting of a zip/rar file using the software, has less risk of any corruption than that of actually downloading the file off the internet :) Plus you can test the intergity of the compressed file using the software to see if all the info is present.
Splitting the volume really should be a concern :D

However, if people would feel safer downloading a file that's 'untouched', I'll see if I can sign up to some service that gives me a bit of internet strage space. (If anyone knows of a good one, let me know :))

Anyways,

Cheers again,
KJ
I should have first said - your offer is appreciated! :)

Still, you might want to wait until someone needs it before going to any trouble on the hosting thing.

Hello,
My ISP doesn't have storage like that (it only allows picture hosting I think)
But I can assure you that the splitting of a zip/rar file using the software, has less risk of any corruption than that of actually downloading the file off the internet :) Plus you can test the intergity of the compressed file using the software to see if all the info is present.
Splitting the volume really should be a concern :D

However, if people would feel safer downloading a file that's 'untouched', I'll see if I can sign up to some service that gives me a bit of internet strage space. (If anyone knows of a good one, let me know :))

Anyways,

Cheers again,
KJ
Your internet service provider really needs to be local, but you can purchase site hosting from anyone/anywhere.

Hello again,

Well, I looked into it a bit more and found out that one of my 3 e-mail/ISP's :p do offer me some storage space.

So to get your hands on the link, go to my original post -- HERE -- (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=6372873&&#post6372873).

So now you can either have me email it to you, or if you much more prefer, you can get it yourself :)

Thankyou pepar for you comments,

Hopefully I have been of some service.
And hopefully all goes well for those who do download/use the file . . . ;)

Cheers
KJ

There were some 3910's that did not pass BTB (built around last August). You can check quickly whether your player passes BTB with the TXH Optimizer found on many DVDs (including Star Wars). If it does, then with the latest firmware, you're golden. If it doesn't, I'd exchange it from where you bought it (based on the build date, it was probably just sitting at the bottom of a stack in a warehouse).

I recently picked up a 3910 (build date November 2004) along with a bunch of other new HT equipment, including a new Samsung 1080p DLP TV. I finally got a chance to pop in the Star Wars DVD and pulled up the BTB test in the THX optimizer. My results are kind of strange. I DO see the shadow behind the THX logo, and it is a darker shade than the logo itself. However, it appears to be LIGHTER than the normal black background, and there appears to be a slight green tint to the shadow when I really crank up the brightness. Has anyone seen this and can explain what this means? I haven't spent any time tweaking other DVD or TV settings, so perhaps this is why I'm seeing such strange results. And I'm seeing this when connected via HDMI or component, and also at different resolutions (e.g. 480p vs. 1080i). I just now hooked up my older 2200 DVD player (via component), and it passed the BTB test with flying colors. Do you think I have a defective player, or is there some other tweaking I need to do in order to pass the BTB test? The few DVD's I've watched look fine, and in fact they seem to look great. Thanks in advance for your help!

Greetings to the 3910 community. I have been trying to get through all the posts in this very informative thread, and get a glazed over look at times :rolleyes: Anyway, I have a wife that wants to purchase a birthday gift for me and I mentioned the 3910. Before we pull the trigger I need some imput. I currently own the 5805 reciever and have the Bravo D1 connected via a Toslink connection to the AVR for audio, and DVI directly to my 61" Sammy DLP. What I'm curious about is will I realize any noticable improvements in sound quality? Does DL3 offer any benifits when listening to 2 channel music? I understand that I'll be able to enjoy hi-rez audio, but I think I'm over my head with all this stuff. I'd like to optimize my 5805 purchase but could really use some help from those of you much wiser than I. That darn glazed over feeling.......

Greetings to the 3910 community. I have been trying to get through all the posts in this very informative thread, and get a glazed over look at times :rolleyes: Anyway, I have a wife that wants to purchase a birthday gift for me and I mentioned the 3910.
An especially memorable birthday gift would be the 5910. :D

I'm considering the 3910, but I'm wondering if I'm crazy ;). I've got a Denon 3805 to pair it with, but I'm just starting to look at getting into SACD or DVD-A disks. Given that sooner or later this format war will shake out and we'll have HD, do you guys still think it's worth it? I realize that's a subjective question, but I guess I'd ask it this way: Would you buy one right now knowing what you know?

Why not buy one from a reputable dealer with a liberal return policy and give it a test drive. No one here can tell you if its the right player for you. Although, It was for me. ;)

I'm considering the 3910, but I'm wondering if I'm crazy ;). I've got a Denon 3805 to pair it with, but I'm just starting to look at getting into SACD or DVD-A disks. Given that sooner or later this format war will shake out and we'll have HD, do you guys still think it's worth it? I realize that's a subjective question, but I guess I'd ask it this way: Would you buy one right now knowing what you know?
i just bought one recently because i wanted a great SD dvd player with great audio capabilities. HD will be out sometime next year, but when will i be able to afford one? especially one with no compromise SD upscaling and great audio? i expect this will be my main SD-DVD/CD player for years, even after i get into entry-level HD (which right now looks mostly likely in a playstation 3).

but what really sealed the deal was a little over $700 for a refurb :D if it turns out the ht i'm building doesn't blow me away with audio or video quality, i didn't want the nagging feeling that i could have avoided it by spending a little more. i can't afford upgrade-itis, either the time or money involved!

I'm considering the 3910, but I'm wondering if I'm crazy ;). I've got a Denon 3805 to pair it with, but I'm just starting to look at getting into SACD or DVD-A disks. Given that sooner or later this format war will shake out and we'll have HD, do you guys still think it's worth it? I realize that's a subjective question, but I guess I'd ask it this way: Would you buy one right now knowing what you know?

Greetings,


MP, there is no question in my mind. I don't see HD DVD really getting to a point where it will be clearly defined and reasonably priced at least another 12 to 18 months. I bought my 3910 a year ago knowling full well that HD DVD was looming. I genrally upgrade my player every 18 to 24 months give or take. I had the Denon 2900 for a little over a year before I bought the 3910 so there is some give and take for the most part.

I figured that the next player I bought would be a HD model and wanted a very good player in the mean time. The 3910 is exactly that and I can highly recommend it.


Regards,

I don't see HD DVD really getting to a point where it will be clearly defined and reasonably priced at least another 12 to 18 months.
I think it will be quite longer than that, given the format wars and the initial high prices. If you have a large DVD collection currently, go for the 3910 (it will likely blow away the HD players for playing 480i DVDs).

I think it will be quite longer than that, given the format wars and the initial high prices. If you have a large DVD collection currently, go for the 3910 (it will likely blow away the HD players for playing 480i DVDs).
And you just know that the studios will release movies and then re-release them 6-9 months later as director's cut/special edition/blah/blah/blah. I've become a real wait-and-see consumer when it comes to A/V gear and content.

Would you buy one right now knowing what you know?

I purchased my 3910 about 11 months ago and the decision was mostly due to this board and the input of it's members. Thanks BillP, pepar and others that responded to my ??'s. Knowing what I know today I would still buy one tomorrow at $1200.00 +. I am a big time music fan and have been for many years(standard redbook and now multi channel SACD/DVD-A) and originally this was the determining factor for the 3910. I can also tell you that just recently I connected the 3910 via DVI to a 65" Hitachi and talk about an eye opening experience, that would be a huge understatement. I can honestly tell you connected to right display you will swear you're watching HD movies, the up-scaling is that good. Of course it's not say that this is the perfect player, it has it's issues. But overall for audio and picture quality it ranks right up there with units at twice the price. I don't think you'll be dissapointed. Just my .02 ;)

SC

Badabbing-
I hope you could answer a question for me. What player did you previously have and what was you experience from an audio standpoint when you upgraded? I'm trying to understand what benefits I might enjoy upgrading from a Bravo D1 outside of the hirez audio capability that the 3910 has.

I think it will be quite longer than that, given the format wars and the initial high prices. If you have a large DVD collection currently, go for the 3910 (it will likely blow away the HD players for playing 480i DVDs).

Greetings,

Granted, however my comments were estimates based upon the earliest scenerio. The format war is of course an issue all in it's self.


Regards,

I can also tell you that just recently I connected the 3910 via DVI to a 65" Hitachi and talk about an eye opening experience, that would be a huge understatement. I can honestly tell you connected to right display you will swear you're watching HD movies, the up-scaling is that good. Of course it's not say that this is the perfect player, it has it's issues. But overall for audio and picture quality it ranks right up there with units at twice the price. I don't think you'll be dissapointed. Just my .02 ;)

This is very true, but I'd like to caution you against watching too much true hi-def material. Since my cable provider has been offering SA HD-DVRs, I find myself watching more and more HD and less and less DVDs. True HD is very seductive and once your brain gets accustomed to all the extra detail, something is "missing" from DVDs.

Badabbing-
I hope you could answer a question for me. What player did you previously have and what was you experience from an audio standpoint when you upgraded? I'm trying to understand what benefits I might enjoy upgrading from a Bravo D1 outside of the hirez audio capability that the 3910 has.
Let's see. Better PQ, better audio, better build, better reliability (you must have the only working D1 still out there).

I was waiting to see when someone would say I have the only working D1 left. I continue to ask the question about audio, but get no answer. If a transport is linked to a reciever via a digital connection, how can audio be improved with the 3910? I'm not trying to get on anyones nerves here, just looking for information. Believe me, I want the 3910.

Hi,

The reason there is a difference is the quality (or lack there of) power supply, the DIT (transmitting) chip which converts the format of the Digital audio signal and sends it to the recievers digital in.

I have compared a dvd 2900 to a Philips 963sa and the dvd 2900 smoked the Philips via digital output. This is not a myth it is truth!

God bless...

Mark

Thanks Mark! I appreciate the reply.

Badabbing-
I hope you could answer a question for me. What player did you previously have and what was you experience from an audio standpoint when you upgraded? I'm trying to understand what benefits I might enjoy upgrading from a Bravo D1 outside of the hirez audio capability that the 3910 has.

I was using a Yamaha 6480 5 disc changer prior to my 3910 purchase and it was good in audio and very good in video. It boasted Burr Brown DAC's and a Faroudja DCDI. As far as experience goes all I can say is that I absolutely listen to ALL audio and most DVD video media such as movies through MULTI analog. Even though I have a relatively good preamp in the Rotel 1066 I run through MULTI. I want the player to do all my decoding for audio, I find I get better resolution and overall sound quality and detail. The internal audio DAC's in the 3910 are very nice and do a nice job of decoding audio. Some folks may have other opinions about using analog vs. digital, but in my case it's not even close even though the Rotel is no slouch in this area. I know this is a tough pill to swallow at this price, but I have to say it's all relative when you're talking about this player, or any other A/V component for that matter. If you have the other components to support this unit it's well worth the expense. If you don't you may be spending money on a unit that may be overkill. Again it's all relative. Certainly for me this player finished off my system, it was one of my last building blocks.

If you're intersted here's a rundown of what my modest A/V system consists of;

DVD: Denon 3910
Video: direct to TV via DVI
Audio: direct to Preamp via RG6 analog coax
PREPRO: Rotel 1066
AMPS: Sunfire Cinema Grand Series II, Adcom GFA 2535
SUB: Sunfire True Sub MK IV
MONITOR: Hitachi 65SWX20B
HD Tuner: Sony HD200 (direct to TV via component RGB)
SPKRS:
FRT: PSB Gold i
CTR: PSB C6 i
REAR: JBL HTI8 in wall
and various other non relevant gear.

I hope this helps you in your decision. :D

SC

Thanks for the very detailed reply Badabbing. I am going to take the plunge. I guess the only thing left to do is get the 3910 home and start playing! I'm curious how the DL3 will compare to the connection setup you described. I think I have a good "supporting cast", and for what it's worth I've listed what I'm running below. Again, thank you for taking the time to respond and hope to talk again after the player arrives next week.

Denon 5805 AVR
Sammy DLP 617W1 Display
SciAtl Explorer HD Tuner DVR (Cable)
Samsung TIS360 HD Tuner (Sattelite)
Speakers:
Paradigm Studio 100v3 L/R
Paradigm CC570 Center
Paradigm ADP470 Surrounds
Paradigm Servo 15 Sub

Hi all,

Well I've read this entire thread now - took several days - whew! I thought you might be interested in my 3910 experience so far...

Just ordered from Crutchfield last week, along with a 3806 receiver. Had to wait a few days for 3910 - they were briefly out of stock.

Well, I got it yesterday and hooked it up last night. Mine shows a build date of June 2005, and firmware version is ESS 6609 D. The DenonLink connector has the "3rd" indicator printed on the back of the unit, and seems to work fine with the 3806. It passes BTB per the THX test.

I'm sure I'll have questions as I continue to tweak the setup - stay tuned...

DE

Would you buy one right now knowing what you know?

Mine is being delivered today and I just ordered a 3806 to pair it with. My story is that I have an Arcam DV89...they receive reverance from reviewers but the thing has been sent in for repair every 8 months or so since I bought the thing. I've heard some horror stories about Denon as well, but it can't be worse than my current DVD player. In Arcam's defense, when they do play DVD's they are gorgeous and my receiver has never been any trouble at all.

The Denon setup will also give me SACD, HDMI switching, etc. and I want those features right now and at half the price of the latest Arcam models. I recently bought a Sony 50A10, so I'm thinking everything will go well together.

Thanks for the heads up dedwards. Because of your report I just ordered from Crutchfield as well. I wanted the latest build date I could get with the most current firmware. It will be arriving tomorrow. Can't wait to play!!

. . . Mine shows a build date of June 2005, and firmware version is ESS 6609 D . . . .



Could I please just clarify:
That your firmware version is ESS 6609 *D*?

Thankyou, :)

Cheers
KJ

Thanks for the very detailed reply Badabbing. I am going to take the plunge. I guess the only thing left to do is get the 3910 home and start playing! I'm curious how the DL3 will compare to the connection setup you described. I think I have a good "supporting cast", and for what it's worth I've listed what I'm running below. Again, thank you for taking the time to respond and hope to talk again after the player arrives next week.

Denon 5805 AVR
Paradigm Studio 100v3 L/R
Paradigm CC570 Center
Paradigm ADP470 Surrounds
Paradigm Servo 15 Sub

I haven't done an A/B yet with D3 link but it sounds very good on my set up.
4806
60v3 L/R
CC570
20v3
Velo SPL1200R

Yup - I couldn't believe it either. See attached jpg...

DE

Interesting. The Denon web site is still showing no upgrades available. I wonder if the *D* is just for units shipped with DL3 active.

For those of you still looking to update your player to DL3 it IS available on the Denon web site. The update on Denon's site leaves the unit in region 1. I did not want to use the updates I found in this thread because they changed the region and then needed to do the multi region mod. I am sure they are safe but I let my paranoia get the best of me. I don't have 5 posts yet so I can't post the url. Just put oldusa. in front of denon in their adress.

Yup - I couldn't believe it either. See attached jpg...

DE


that's wierd...there are no updates on USA Denon's website, or the international website. I haven't heard of any updates either, and if there was, what happened with -C ? :confused:

now I'm wondering...

For those of you still looking to update your player to DL3 it IS available on the Denon web site. The update on Denon's site leaves the unit in region 1. I did not want to use the updates I found in this thread because they changed the region and then needed to do the multi region mod. I am sure they are safe but I let my paranoia get the best of me. I don't have 5 posts yet so I can't post the url. Just put oldusa. in front of denon in their adress.

The update you're referring to is 6609 *B*

dedwards posted he has 6609 *D*

That's the update that is in question.

The update you're referring to is 6609 *B*

dedwards posted he has 6609 *D*

That's the update that is in question.


I just got my 3910 back from having BTB fixed. It is now running 6609-E.

"B" - "D" and now "E"!!! Oh my. :eek:

"B" - "D" and now "E"!!! Oh my. :eek:


anyone going for *F* ? going once.....going twice......... :D

I just got my 3910 back from having BTB fixed. It is now running 6609-E.

Thanks for adding to the confusion. :D

I think I'll wait for 6610.

You mean the 66610. :eek:

My 3910 is just out of warranty (by one month) and it seems to have gotten very noisy. Can be very loud when a movie is not.

Any suggestions? It sounds like the disc is unstable somehow. It vibrates noticeably to the touch most any time any disc is playing. :(

Thanks.

My 3910 is just out of warranty (by one month) and it seems to have gotten very noisy. Can be very loud when a movie is not.

Any suggestions? It sounds like the disc is unstable somehow. It vibrates noticeably to the touch any time a disc is playing. :(

Thanks.

Hi,

Is this happening with all the discs you are playing in your 3910?

I know it happens for me every now and then; that the unit vibrates a lot more than usual with certain DVD's, but I just link that to a badly made disc, one that isn't perfectly round . . .

If it is happening with all discs (then you may unfortunetly have a problem with your 3910), and you have a good relation with the store you bought it at, I'd take it back and see if they can't do something or at least check it out for you . . .

Cheers
KJ

It does it most every time with any disc. Sometimes if I bother, I can eject the disc, reinsert it and it will be better. My PC will do something similar when I’m reading discs at 50x or 16x for DVDs but when I’m watching a movie the player should be running at DVD 1x right? It really should not vibrate at all let alone like it does. I don’t think my $1200 DVD player with the supper quite drive mechanism (or whatever Denon called it) is holding the discs correctly. :(

I got it from Crutchfield, if that matters.

Thanks for any info.

Hi all,

I came across this thread on setting infocus 4805's gain and offset settings to DVI (studio) video levels, provided that the source is sending correct levels: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=6413116#post6413116.

Is the denon 3910 sending correct DVI (studio) video levels?

Tks!

Hello to everybody!

A few days ago I bought 3910. During this period I've noticed some problems and I don't know if it's normal:

1. Switching between SACD and CD layers is not "on the fly" - during the SACD playback I have to press stop, then switch the layer (ex: from multi to stereo) and then play. Otherwise it won't switch the layer. Other chipper SACD players does that with no problems. Is it normal?

2. Playing SACD if I change from multi to stereo, there is no sound coming out through multi channel (analog) output. Only on 2 channel analog output. Is this normal?

Thanks for help.

Hello to everybody!

A few days ago I bought 3910. During this period I've noticed some problems and I don't know if it's normal:

1. Switching between SACD and CD layers is not "on the fly" - during the SACD playback I have to press stop, then switch the layer (ex: from multi to stereo) and then play. Otherwise it won't switch the layer. Other chipper SACD players does that with no problems. Is it normal? - yes

2. Playing SACD if I change from multi to stereo, there is no sound coming out through multi channel (analog) output. Only on 2 channel analog output. Is this normal? - yes

Thanks for help.
Both these are normal, there is no problem

I seem to be unable to play "burnt" DVDs on my 3910, whether burnt by me or anyone else. They play fine on my iMac, my powerbook and a cheap Samsung DVD player in the bedroom, but not on this fancy expensive black beast!! It also seems to have problems withregular silver DVDs that the other devices play flawlessly.

Is this just normal?

Also, audio dropouts over the IE9444 connector? Anyone know if this is this ever gonna be fixed?

Really starting to feel like I made a real bad purchase here. :mad: Could anyone suggest what might be a better choice - features req: DVI, SACD playback, IE1394 connection, region free & 720p upsampling? Seems fancy audio components are not necessary if using the firewire connector.

(using latest firmware and running through a Pioneer ax5i amp and optoma H78 projector)

I seem to be unable to play "burnt" DVDs on my 3910, whether burnt by me or anyone else. They play fine on my iMac, my powerbook and a cheap Samsung DVD player in the bedroom, but not on this fancy expensive black beast!! It also seems to have problems withregular silver DVDs that the other devices play flawlessly.

Is this just normal?

Also, audio dropouts over the IE9444 connector? Anyone know if this is this ever gonna be fixed?

Really starting to feel like I made a real bad purchase here. :mad: Could anyone suggest what might be a better choice - features req: DVI, SACD playback, IE1394 connection, region free & 720p upsampling? Seems fancy audio components are not necessary if using the firewire connector.

(using latest firmware and running through a Pioneer ax5i amp and optoma H78 projector)

Try making DVD-Rs. The 3910 does all the above well. Maybe you have a defective unit? Region free firmware is available on the web.

I was looking at the 3910 on Denon's website and saw on the back panel a plug marked AV1, what would this be for? Also where would you buy a Denonlink cable? I just bought a 3806 and thought the 3910 would be the way to go for a replacement for my Sony 900v.

Having a Panasonic 42WD6UY PDP I'm a little concerned about the much talked about MB problem but I'd still like to give it a shot. If MB is a problem I'd go with the new Pioneer 79avi.

Thanks for any help or suggestions, Bill

I was looking at the 3910 on Denon's website and saw on the back panel a plug marked AV1, what would this be for? Also where would you buy a Denonlink cable? I just bought a 3806 and thought the 3910 would be the way to go for a replacement for my Sony 900v.
Thanks for any help or suggestions, Bill

Denon Link cable comes with the 3910.

Not sure about the AV1 plug. I'll have to take a look.

Denon Link cable comes with the 3910.

Not sure about the AV1 plug. I'll have to take a look.

Thanks for the info.

Bill

I am very close to purchasing one of these units.

The guy at world-import (dot you know) tells me their units have a special modification done to them to make them region-free, but from all of the posts I have read on this thread, I can do that myself with the correct firmware upgrade.

Can anyone confirm/deny this?

Thanks!

I am very close to purchasing one of these units.

The guy at world-import (dot you know) tells me their units have a special modification done to them to make them region-free, but from all of the posts I have read on this thread, I can do that myself with the correct firmware upgrade.
Affirmative.

typrat
CD-R and CD-RW disks always play fine on my 3910. I don't really use others so can't say about them.
IE9444 connector problems? Try reseating the connectors on both sides.
Try another 1394 4-pin to 4-pin cable.
I may have mentioned it before, but I think this connector sucks for a Home Theater connection. It's ok for a quick, temporary, camcorder or camera connection. The thing is easily unseated by the slightest nudge. And please don't get me started on the hdmi connector...

Dear Owners,

Anyone using their 3910 with the new Sony SXRD TVs? Would appreciate any impressions since my local Denon dealer won't let me try the unit at home.

Rahi

Dear Owners,

Anyone using their 3910 with the new Sony SXRD TVs? Would appreciate any impressions since my local Denon dealer won't let me try the unit at home.

Rahi
That's customer-ujnfriendly. I've heard that many will let customers try things at home. Have you considered finding another dealer?

I read on another (less erudite) forum that in order to use component video out, it must go to a Hi-def display. The owner's manual doesn't mention this, only saying it must be Progressive Scan.

My monitor is Progressive Scan, but not HD. Can I still use component video?

Thanks!

Dear Owners,

Anyone using their 3910 with the new Sony SXRD TVs? Would appreciate any impressions since my local Denon dealer won't let me try the unit at home.

Rahi

Where do you live? Perhaps someone can point you in the direction of another dealer.

Also, if you find out it does work well with the new Sonys I would hope you purchase it from another dealer and take the receipt to show this knucklehead that you were serious about buying.

yes

BuckNaked
My monitor is Progressive Scan, but not HD. Can I still use component video?
Yes, there is no problem with progressive scan displays at 480p over component video. It's good to have a composite video or s-video cable connected as well for viewing the osd when doing settings.

I live in Windsor, Ontario, but I work in Detroit. It's $1799.00 in Canada, so I would likely buy in the US and bring it across, but I can't exactly get one to test across the border without having to pay duty...

I think that their policies regarding home trials are retarded, but I don't own the store so who am I to say? Just a potential customer with normal every day needs...

Rahi

Dear Owners,

Anyone using their 3910 with the new Sony SXRD TVs? Would appreciate any impressions since my local Denon dealer won't let me try the unit at home.

Rahi

I've had my KDS-R60XBR1 for a couple of weeks. Seems to work great with my DVD-3910. I've got the 3910 upscaling to 1080i, and the results with DVDs like LOTR, Fifth Element (Superbit) and Sin City have all been spectacular. Near HD quality.

Dear Bhollis,

Any issues with macroblocking? Lip synch? How is the SSE with this player? Your opinion is invaluable, since I really don't have too many options.

Rahi

[QUOTE=rahivictory]Dear Bhollis,

Any issues with macroblocking? Lip synch? How is the SSE with this player? Your opinion is invaluable, since I really don't have too many options.

Rahi,

This is my first HDTV. We just ugraded our whole A/V system from a 12-yeard-old SD XBR TV and standard stereo system to what we have now: KDS-R60XBR1, Denon DVD-3910, Denon AVR-3805 and Aperion 5.1 speakers. Very happy with the new system, but my point is that I don't have a lot of experience with some of the issues you're asking about. That said, I'll do my best to respond to your questions.

I've only read about macroblocking, and I haven't seen anything with the SXRD/3910 that looks like macroblocking to me. I also haven't seen any lip synch issues. As for SSE, again, I've only read about this, and no one has ever actually pointed it out to me. With the SXRD I do sometimes see what might be SSE in bright areas. For example, I was watching the Superbit version of Lawrence of Arabia the other night and saw what might have been some SSE in some of the brightly lit desert scenes.

There's been a lot of discussion of SSE on the SXRD owner's thread. And the prevailing view seems to be that it is a function of the display technology/screen, and not the source. Most reviewers don't seem to have found SSE to be any better or worse on the SXRDs than on any of the other rear projection technologies. The prevailing view also seems to be that SSE can be substantially reduced on the SXRDs by properly adjusting the contrast and brightness levels.

I've got my SXRD in Pro mode and have adjusted its video settings (which are quite extensive) with Digital Video Essentials. I'm very pleased with the result and only occasionally see what I would describe as SSE. Of course, I don't go out of my way to look for it.

I guess the short answer on SSE is that I think I sometimes see it, but I don't think it's related to the 3910.

Hope the above helps.

Forgive the dumb question, but what is SSE and how does it pertain to the DVD-3910?

Silk screen effect, and it doesn't (it pertains to the display - common with LCDs and LCOS).

Silk screen effect, and it doesn't (it pertains to the display - common with LCDs and LCOS).


Thanks. I am familiar with the concept, but not the acronym.

I just bot the 4806 and am strongly considering the 3910 as my next purchase. Display is a JVC HX-1 pj.
My question is whether or not to tweak the video settings in the 3910 or just the projector. I have used the regular menu in the JVC so far using the Sound and Vision disc, but I know the 3910 has a plethora of adjustments as well.
Lastly, can anyone play DVD+Rs on the 3910? I tried at a local store and the one I had with me wouldn't play.

I just bot the 4806 and am strongly considering the 3910 as my next purchase. Display is a JVC HX-1 pj.
My question is whether or not to tweak the video settings in the 3910 or just the projector. I have used the regular menu in the JVC so far using the Sound and Vision disc, but I know the 3910 has a plethora of adjustments as well.
Lastly, can anyone play DVD+Rs on the 3910? I tried at a local store and the one I had with me wouldn't play.

I've got a whole mess and they play fine for me. And just to repeat myself, if you have labels on the media you can just forget about playing them (+R and -R). This drive is way to sensitive to weight and possibly out of balance media to accept media with anything foreign on it.

SC

Just posted this in the Denon 3806 thread, but then realized this is probably the right place for it - apologies for the double read.

Ok, dumb Denon question that of course I can't find documented on Denon's website or the manuals. I'm getting the 3806 and will be hooking it up to the 3910. Planning on using Denon Link, but everywhere in the manual says that won't work for SACD. Do I really have to connect via analog for SACDs and use the Denon Link for everything else? Will I have to force the signal over analog somehow when I want to put in an SACD, or will it auto-detect and run over analog?

The Denon website says the 3910 will support SACD via Link, but it has a "*" next to it, which of course is not explained anywhere. The 3806 supposedly supports "Link 3", but the 3910 only says it supports "SE", which I think is the same as "Link 2".

I'd really like to just use the Link connection for everything.

Thanks in advance for anyone who has already tackled this. What a pain!

Bottom line - trying to connect the 3910 to the 3806 in the simplist, best way (which are hopefully the same).

Thanks in advance.

- JonJ

The Denon website says the 3910 will support SACD via Link, but it has a "*" next to it, which of course is not explained anywhere. The 3806 supposedly supports "Link 3", but the 3910 only says it supports "SE", which I think is the same as "Link 2".

I'd really like to just use the Link connection for everything.

Thanks in advance for anyone who has already tackled this. What a pain!

Bottom line - trying to connect the 3910 to the 3806 in the simplist, best way (which are hopefully the same).

Thanks in advance.

- JonJ

Yes you can connect them via D Link, you just have to update the firmware on the 3910 for DL3 or purchase one that already has DL3 active. Once active it will play SACDs.

The latest firmware upgrade (also known as "-B") for the 3910 enables SACD over DenonLink. It was released in July. Denon's negotiations with Sony on this took a looooong time.

The normal way to get it is from the Denon website, but they just revamped the website and downloads are not readily available. I would suggest calling Denon and they will send to you. It comes on 3 CDs.

Paul.

I just bot the 4806 and am strongly considering the 3910 as my next purchase. Display is a JVC HX-1 pj.
My question is whether or not to tweak the video settings in the 3910 or just the projector. I have used the regular menu in the JVC so far using the Sound and Vision disc, but I know the 3910 has a plethora of adjustments as well.
Lastly, can anyone play DVD+Rs on the 3910? I tried at a local store and the one I had with me wouldn't play.

If you have a well calibrated display there is not much tweaking needed on the 3910.

I have most of Clint Eastwood's westerns and some are not the best pq. When playing them I've been tweaking the display a bit to help them out. I think I'm going to play around with one of the memory settings on the 3910 and save one specifically for this group of DVDs.