I'd be interested to know what those settings are. By "digital" do you mean DenonLink, HDMI, or S/PDIF? Also, do you use an SPL meter?

I happen to use HDMI, but I could have used DenonLink, optical, digital--I don't hear any difference at all between these connections ("S/PDIF"--Sony/Phillips Digital Interface-- isn't a type of connection; it's the name of the protocol used for transmitting digitized audio signals, and all types of these connections use S/PDIF as their signal trasmission method). Unless you have a defective cable, a bad connection, interference, or a very long cable run, all of them should sound the same.

What I did for my manual settings was to write down the results of the AutoEQ's "flat" settings. Then I inputted them as closely as I could into the 3805's manual settings. Finally, I adjusted the manual settings to compensate for age-related dips in my hearing as measured by an audiologist. The result has the frequency response tilted upwards at high frequencies and in the approximate area of human speech. This adds tremendously to dialog clarity on certain videos or TV shows. I also know a second language, although not as well as I know English. The additional dialogue clarity lets me turns off the subtitles in that language while still "listening fluently."

I happen to use HDMI, but I could have used DenonLink, optical, digital--I don't hear any difference at all between these connections ("S/PDIF"--Sony/Phillips Digital Interface-- isn't a type of connection; it's the name of the protocol used for transmitting digitized audio signals, and all types of these connections use S/PDIF as their signal trasmission method).Oh....I've always used "S/PDIF" as an interchangeable term with "optical" or "TOSLINK".

Oh....I've always used "S/PDIF" as an interchangeable term with "optical" or "TOSLINK".
I had to look it up to be sure, but the same digital protocol is used for transmitting audio data over coax and doubtless DenonLink as well.

I use the "CD" inputs on my 3805 (soon to be 3808).

Did you do any special setup for the audio side of the 3910 for redbook? There seem to be so many choices, I want to make sure I"m setting it up correctly so the digital to analog conversion takes place properly in the 3910 instead of the receiver. The thought that just hooking up the rca's and hitting play will give the best results would surprise me considering how complicated this player can be at times.

I figured there was some menu option that had to be checked to ensure maxiumum sound quality, or many I'm just too big of a critic. :o

Did you do any special setup for the audio side of the 3910 for redbook? There seem to be so many choices, I want to make sure I"m setting it up correctly so the digital to analog conversion takes place properly in the 3910 instead of the receiver. The thought that just hooking up the rca's and hitting play will give the best results would surprise me considering how complicated this player can be at times.

I figured there was some menu option that had to be checked to ensure maxiumum sound quality, or many I'm just too big of a critic. :oAFAIK, (and I'm no expert), no special setup for the audio side of the 3910 is required.

Using the AVR 3805, I just run the Auto EQ function with the optional mic. It sets the appropriate parameters for my room for 5.1 channel stuff (via DenonLink), and two-channel stuff (via the rca outs). I've A/B'd this before, and I can perceive a very subtle difference between the sources, with a slight edge going to the rcas.

I do believe I'm using the 3910's DACs to process the signal in this manner, and the analog outs are not required.....someone please correct me if I'm mistaken.

For the absolute best sound (theoretically), make sure you have "Source Direct" turned on in the Audio menu. This is what I use with high quality headphones when listening to music, using the analog outputs and "Ext In" on my Denon 3300.

Of course, if your room acoustics need help, you may want to be able to use the equalizer in a 3805 or 3808, so you wouldn't use the "Ext In" on your receiver.

--Ernie

Just got my 3910 back from Denon after 2 months. They replaced the laser assembly. Apparently they had to walk to Japan for the part. I hope this assembly lasts longer than the 8 months the original lasted. So far everything is working great again.

For the absolute best sound (theoretically), make sure you have "Source Direct" turned on in the Audio menu. This is what I use with high quality headphones when listening to music, using the analog outputs and "Ext In" on my Denon 3300.

Of course, if your room acoustics need help, you may want to be able to use the equalizer in a 3805 or 3808, so you wouldn't use the "Ext In" on your receiver.

--Ernie
If you set Source Direct to ON in the 3910, your subwoofer is not used and your speakers get full-range audio signals. Also, if you have previously set delay times for your speakers, I think (I'm not certain) that they get reset to the default values as soon as you use Source Direct, and your own settings are lost (so write them down before trying Source Direct).

I thought the purpose of Source Direct was to bypass the DSD->PCM conversion for SACD playback. My understanding (correct me if I'm wrong) is that when SD is enabled, speaker level and delay adjustments are still effective, but all bass management is disabled, so the only signal going to the subwoofer would be the dedicated LFE track of a multichannel program. There would seem to be little point in enabling SD for redbook or DVD playback, as you could get the same results by simply setting all speakers to "Large."

I've discovered that when I play SACDs with Source Direct enabled, the 50Khz filter does add a bit of noise to each channel, and this becomes much more apparent when I listen to a multichannel disc via the 2ch analog outputs, as all that noise gets summed together. So if your system is two-channel, yet you still want to check out the alternate multichannel mix on your SACDs, you should either set the filter to 100Khz, or leave Source Direct off.

I thought the purpose of Source Direct was to bypass the DSD->PCM conversion for SACD playback. My understanding (correct me if I'm wrong) is that when SD is enabled, speaker level and delay adjustments are still effective, but all bass management is disabled, so the only signal going to the subwoofer would be the dedicated LFE track of a multichannel program. There would seem to be little point in enabling SD for redbook or DVD playback, as you could get the same results by simply setting all speakers to "Large."

You're right about the purpose of SD, but using bass management would require conversion of the DSD signals to PCM first, so this feature is bypassed when using Source Direct. Apparently all speaker settings on the 3910 are also bypassed when S.D. is turned on. On redbook playback, the advantage of S.D. would be the removal of some circuitry from the signal path; whether that's audible or not, I can't say.

The manual says the SOURCE DIRECT "permits a setting to output the audio without adding speaker settings or channel level processing to the audio signals of DVD-A or SACD" (p. 38). The additional description of SOURCE DIRECT on p. 41 seems to indicate as well that speaker levels and delays are not used when S.D. is turned on: "Set to ON when playing back without performing the processing of speaker settings...(Note that the volume of the subwoofer will increase by 5 dB [with DVD-A] and... 15 dB [with SACD].) This is also set when playing back a 6-channel source of DVD audio that has been recorded with all channels and full bandwidth. When set to OFF, the speaker size will be set to Large for all speakers and the subwoofer will be set to YES."

I have a 3910 connected via HDMI to a Toshiba plasma TV. I have noticed that when the 3910 is stopped, or occasionally during very dark scenes, there is a thin horizontal line all the way across the screen. This doesn't happen with other signal sources, such as HDTV via cable (also HDMI-connected to the TV), so I suspect the problem is in the 3910. Has anyone else noticed this?

Does somenone have the firmware upgrade procedure in English?
I have downloaded the fw from Denon's EU site but the procedures there are in French and German only:(

I found the following procedure from pepar's post in pg 227, but I believe that it covers only a part of the whole since we are talking about 3 CD's and there must be a sequence changing from one to the next.
Verify your software:

1. With no disc in the player, drawer closed, turn the main power OFF with the "On/Off" button.

2. Press and hold the Play and Open/Close buttons at the same time.

3. While holding the buttons in 2 above, turn the main power ONwith the "On/Off" button and release the two buttons after THREE SECONDS.

4. The Play/Pause indicator in the lower left portion of the display should appear.

5. Wait for the Loading message to clear from the display.

6. On the remote control, press the numeric buttons "3" "2" "6" "5"

7. Press the menu button on the remote control repeatedly until you have checked that the four version numbers . . . have shown in the display.

8. To reset the player, turn the Main power OFF with the "On/Off" button.

I found the following procedure from pepar's post in pg 227, but I believe that it covers only a part of the whole since we are talking about 3 CD's and there must be a sequence changing from one to the next.
Verify your software:
Standby. This is only to check your player's version. I'll dig around and find the actual procedure . . .

pepar, I appreciate your assistance regardless if I break my player or not :-)

pepar, I appreciate your assistance regardless if I break my player or not :-)
Verify the data on the CDs that you make. If you don't already know, that is usually a checkbox on your burning software.

Have fun. Good luck!

It might be of interest to all the reason why I'm trying to upgrade the firmware
I just got a 3910 and I already have a 3806 AV and a Philips 42pf9732 full HD TV all connected with HDMI cables through the amp.
Both the 3910 and the 3806 are HDMI 1.1 compliant whereas the TV is 1.3
If the TV is on the 3910 just locks regardless of the sequence.
3910-3806 On and TV off, the 3910 works - if I switch on the TV, the 3910 just locks
3806-TV On and 3910 off, when I switch on the 3910 it wont boot succesfully
If I connect the 3910 directly on the TV, I get the same results
If I connect the 3910 to a SONY Bravia HD Ready TV over HDMI, it works
At least I know that 3910's HDMI interface is Ok

It might be of interest to all the reason why I'm trying to upgrade the firmware
I just got a 3910 and I already have a 3806 AV and a Philips 42pf9732 full HD TV all connected with HDMI cables through the amp.
Both the 3910 and the 3806 are HDMI 1.1 compliant whereas the TV is 1.3
If the TV is on the 3910 just locks regardless of the sequence.
3910-3806 On and TV off, the 3910 works - if I switch on the TV, the 3910 just locks
3806-TV On and 3910 off, when I switch on the 3910 it wont boot succesfully
If I connect the 3910 directly on the TV, I get the same results
If I connect the 3910 to a SONY Bravia HD Ready TV over HDMI, it works
At least I know that 3910's HDMI interface is Ok
Unless the firmware version states that it fixes that, it will most like not fix that. There are some incompatibilities between some HDMI versions regarding handshake and it is probably not the 3910's fault.

I see a statement about HDMI improvement when connected to displays with EDID memory over 258 bytes
Also, at another point, it says general improvement when connecting HDMI to a TV or projector
I just hope that under these two cryptic(EDID memory) or unclear messages I'll get what I want :confused:

I see a statement about HDMI improvement when connected to displays with EDID memory over 258 bytes
Also, at another point, it says general improvement when connecting HDMI to a TV or projector
I just hope that under these two cryptic(EDID memory) or unclear messages I'll get what I want :confused:
Well, at least it mentions HDMI and "general improvement" is encouraging. Let us know how it goes and if it fixes the problem!

Nero, tries to find an image file but these are not :confused:
I'll put it to rest for today, it's already too late for me :(

Nero, tries to find an image file but these are not :confused:
I'll put it to rest for today, it's already too late for me :(
They are not images. They are files that need to be burnt onto CDs as DATA.

"4. Within your software options, select to make a DATA disc."

I know, but Nero is looking for images refusing to proceed saying "unknown image format" or something like that

I know, but Nero is looking for images refusing to proceed saying "unknown image format" or something like that
You went off track a step or two before that.

I know, but Nero is looking for images refusing to proceed saying "unknown image format" or something like that
See page 8 of the linked PDF for Nero instructions. Your version is probably newer, but you should be able to correctly choose the right settings.

Meaning?

Well, yes I had seen that and followed it up but still when it comes to file selection, Nero says "unexpected file format". I'm using Nero burning rom ver 8, which I just dl for this purpose

Well, yes I had seen that and followed it up but still when it comes to file selection, Nero says "unexpected file format". I'm using Nero burning rom ver 8, which I just dl for this purpose
Does it give you the option of selecting a "data" or "music" CD?

Shouldn't be that hard, it's late and I must be overlooking something. I'll give it a fresh look tomorrow morning. Thanks for all the assistance pepar

Does it give you the option of selecting a "data" or "music" CD?
Yes, I did "data"

As I said yesterday, it shouldn't be that hard :-)
I think I got it, I'll check in the afternoon when I'll get home - Thanks again!

YES!!! Finally made it!!
I was either lucky or very lucky :-)
Why? Well first of all I got pepar helping out
Secondly, today Denon decided to update their UK site providing update instructions in English. Why is that important? Because their instructions were different from the US ones
So now, I'm a happy puppy and I've got
ESS 8280-1
MAKE DATE 715D
DRV 051208
SYSTEM 6767-5
DSP 6770
C 20041028

YES!!! Finally made it!!
I was either lucky or very lucky :-)
Why? Well first of all I got pepar helping out
Secondly, today Denon decided to update their UK site providing update instructions in English. Why is that important? Because their instructions were different from the US ones
So now, I'm a happy puppy and I've got
ESS 8280-1
MAKE DATE 715D
DRV 051208
SYSTEM 6767-5
DSP 6770
C 20041028

Did it fix your HDMI problem?

Denon decided to update their UK site providing update instructions in English. Why is that important? Because their instructions were different from the US ones
Very lucky, I'd say, that they did that, and that you checked their site before using the instructions I linked. I just pulled the file and will now delete my post with the link. Congratulations!!!

What is different about their instructions?

You had to press SKIP/FORWARD, PLAY, and OPEN/CLOSE via the front panel for longer than 3 seconds (until INITIALIZE is no longer displayed) and then you would insert DISK 1.
Disk 1 is the file with d31zsavd.cfw
Disk 2 is sup3910.rom and
Disk 3 is d391il.rom
After you finish with each disk you have to shut it down with the small ON/OFF button
I don't have a web server to post the entire file but I could email it to anyone that could :)

You had to press SKIP/FORWARD, PLAY, and OPEN/CLOSE via the front panel for longer than 3 seconds (until INITIALIZE is no longer displayed) and then you would insert DISK 1.
Disk 1 is the file with d31zsavd.cfw
Disk 2 is sup3910.rom and
Disk 3 is d391il.rom
After you finish with each disk you have to shut it down with the small ON/OFF button
I don't have a web server to post the entire file but I could email it to anyone that could :)
Not all 3910 firmware revisions are for all 3910s. As the 3910 "matured" there were HARDWARE revisions. 6609-B is the most "recent" for my particular 3910. Later firmware is for later hardware. That is the reason one needs to enter their serial number to download firmware from the Denon site(s). It's probably best if owners apply only what Denon makes available to them for their country and their hardware version.

I meant posting the Update procedure file not the actual code

I meant posting the Update procedure file not the actual code
Sorry, sure, that could help someone else in the same situation.

I just upgraded my receiver to a 3808CI. I'm trying to split the audio and video from my 3910 between Denon Link and HDMI respectively.

I believe I need to do this, as the 3910 is only HDMI 1.1 compliant, and can't pass SACD or DVD-A over HDMI.


Is this correct?

Is this a firmware fix or is the hardware the limiting factor?

Does anyone know of a restriction within the 3910 prohibiting me from doing this, or is it a receiver issue?

Thanks.

I just upgraded my receiver to a 3808CI. I'm trying to split the audio and video from my 3910 between Denon Link and HDMI respectively.

I believe I need to do this, as the 3910 is only HDMI 1.1 compliant, and can't pass SACD or DVD-A over HDMI.


Is this correct?

Is this a firmware fix or is the hardware the limiting factor?

Does anyone know of a restriction within the 3910 prohibiting me from doing this, or is it a receiver issue?

Thanks.
The 3910 will not pass SACD/DVD-A bitstreams over HDMI. Nor will it decode and send them as hi-res multichannel over HDMI. This will never change. The choices for listening to these hi-res formats are iLink, Denon Link or six-channel analog.

I just upgraded my receiver to a 3808CI. I'm trying to split the audio and video from my 3910 between Denon Link and HDMI respectively.

I believe I need to do this, as the 3910 is only HDMI 1.1 compliant, and can't pass SACD or DVD-A over HDMI.


Is this correct?

Is this a firmware fix or is the hardware the limiting factor?

Does anyone know of a restriction within the 3910 prohibiting me from doing this, or is it a receiver issue?

Thanks.

You are correct in splitting the audio and video.

There should be nothing preventing you from doing this.

Hi.

I recently got an Onkyo 805 amp and I have conected my 3910 to it via HDMI.

I was wondering if you could give me some advice on how to have it set up with this amp.

With my previous amp (also an Onkyo) I used coaxial and when I played any DVD with DD or DTS the amp automaticaly switched to whatever I was using.

Im assuming this is because the DVD player was sending bitstream through the coaxial.

Now that im using HDMI I think its sending the PCM signal to this new amp and its not registering as DTS or DD.

I was wondering if you guys could give me some advice on the best way to set the player and this amp to get the best possible sound.

Is it better to let the player decode the sound and send it to the amp as PCM or should I set the player to bitstream and let the amp do the decoding?

If this has already been answered, sorry. But I dont really have the time to go through 200+ posts :)

I asked the exact same question here but got no concrete answer. I finally called my local Denon support and was told that it was a known issue and no solution could be have except to use the coaxial like what you and I are already doing, got to admit I was a bit disappointed.


Hi.

I recently got an Onkyo 805 amp and I have conected my 3910 to it via HDMI.

I was wondering if you could give me some advice on how to have it set up with this amp.

With my previous amp (also an Onkyo) I used coaxial and when I played any DVD with DD or DTS the amp automaticaly switched to whatever I was using.

Im assuming this is because the DVD player was sending bitstream through the coaxial.

Now that im using HDMI I think its sending the PCM signal to this new amp and its not registering as DTS or DD.

I was wondering if you guys could give me some advice on the best way to set the player and this amp to get the best possible sound.

Is it better to let the player decode the sound and send it to the amp as PCM or should I set the player to bitstream and let the amp do the decoding?

If this has already been answered, sorry. But I dont really have the time to go through 200+ posts :)

I asked the exact same question here but got no concrete answer. I finally called my local Denon support and was told that it was a known issue and no solution could be have except to use the coaxial like what you and I are already doing, got to admit I was a bit disappointed.

Thanks for the reply. Thats pretty dissapointing. :(

I played a few discs on it since I got the new amp and even though it doesnt come up as DD or DTS, I still get pretty good sound from the player.
Its always propper 5.1 and it sounds good. But, im not sure what the best way to set the player is now that im using HDMI.

AML, if I'm not mistaken, since you are talking about sound, I think that DD/DTS have a very small, if any, relevance. Unless you are talking about the sound from movies?

AML, if I'm not mistaken, since you are talking about sound, I think that DD/DTS have a very small, if any, relevance. Unless you are talking about the sound from movies?

Yes. When watching a DVD I sort of expect the amp to do the decoding and hence the DD or DTS lamp should be lit on my amp like it was before with coaxial.

But lf using HDMI instead of Coaxial means I have to use PCM and the player is doing the decoding then Im not sure which I should be using.

Ive heard that you get better sound when the amp does the deocoding.
But this is a good player so I wonder if it makes any difference?

The latest firmware upgrade for the EU model provides :
"When the DVD player is connected with the A/V amplifier
for HDMI Ver.1.3 with the HDMI connection, the "Dolby Digital" and "dts"
signals can not be output from the HDMI of DVD player."
This is listed as an issue addressed by the latest fw
Does that make any difference for your issue?

Not all 3910 firmware revisions are for all 3910s. As the 3910 "matured" there were HARDWARE revisions. 6609-B is the most "recent" for my particular 3910. Later firmware is for later hardware. That is the reason one needs to enter their serial number to download firmware from the Denon site(s). It's probably best if owners apply only what Denon makes available to them for their country and their hardware version.

What proof do you have a hardware revision? I have 6609-E on my (old) June 2004 build 3910.

What proof do you have a hardware revision? I have 6609-E on my (old) June 2004 build 3910.
That's what I was told by Denon when I asked. That's "proof" enough for me. :)

Denon in Japan are pretty bad for firmwares. I havent heard anything from them since I got my player, and I just ended up loading the EU firmware to make it 6609-E.

I realize this may not be the best thing to do but I had to do it to make my player MR.

ezervoud. Thanks for that info. I didnt realize that we couldnt pass DTS and DD over HDMI.

It sucks but thats the way things are with this player.

Can this be fixed with another firmware update?

If not i will still use HDMI and PCM sound. It still sounds amazing through my amp. (Its still 5.1)

I have to wonder though if PCM is better than DTS or DD?

I can clearly hear a difference when switching from DD to DTS during a movie. Even when using HDMI/PCM.

AML, you know, I read it the opposite way than you did
The statement I posted above was listed as an issue and supposedly this fw resolved it

AML, you know, I read it the opposite way than you did
The statement I posted above was listed as an issue and supposedly this fw resolved it

I see! Thanks. I think I may need to apply the latest firmware then.

But like I said before, I think I already did and I still dont see DD or DTS on the amp side of things.

I do get 5.1 through HDMI but the amp doesnt register it as DD or DTS.

Can you tell me what the latest firmware is? (and how to check what my 3910 is using? I cant remember how to check:o)

Courtesy of pepar, here is the procedure to check what you've got
1. With no disc in the player, drawer closed, turn the main power OFF with the "On/Off" button.

2. Press and hold the Play and Open/Close buttons at the same time.

3. While holding the buttons in 2 above, turn the main power ONwith the "On/Off" button and release the two buttons after THREE SECONDS.

4. The Play/Pause indicator in the lower left portion of the display should appear.

5. Wait for the Loading message to clear from the display.

6. On the remote control, press the numeric buttons "3" "2" "6" "5"

7. Press the menu button on the remote control repeatedly until you have checked that the four version numbers . . . have shown in the display.

8. To reset the player, turn the Main power OFF with the "On/Off" button.

Regarding what is the latest fw, I was told that depending your hw build the site will suggest the latest fw applicable

It sucks but thats the way things are with this player.
Remember how old this player is before you complain.

That's what I was told by Denon when I asked. That's "proof" enough for me. :)

Denon customer service reps have a long history of giving out incorrect information.

How do you explain 6609-E on my older machine? I have yet to hear of any users reporting feature or hardware differences on newer vs. older build models.

Denon customer service reps have a long history of giving out incorrect information.

How do you explain 6609-E on my older machine? I have yet to hear of any users reporting feature or hardware differences on newer vs. older build models.
Nearly all customer service reps have a long history of giving out incorrect information. :)

I don't need to explain the firmware rev on your player. If it's performing well for you, then I'm happy for you. However, mine is doing everything I need it to do with "B" and I see no reason to push my luck with firmware not intended for my player by the manufacturer. Bitstreaming codecs over HDMI wouldn't appeal to me as I am sending 480i over component video to my external scaler/processor, which is not possible with HDMI. And the coaxial digital audio connection gets me the maximum performance there is to be gotten.

Bitstreaming codecs over HDMI wouldn't appeal to me as I am sending 480i over component video to my external scaler/processor, which is not possible with HDMI. And the coaxial digital audio connection gets me the maximum performance there is to be gotten.

just curious, did you go with the 3910 because of the audio?

just curious, did you go with the 3910 because of the audio?
Yes, and the video! :)

That answer needs to be placed in the context of nearly four years ago. When I bought the 3910, it was the new kid in Denon's line and had nearly all of the performance of their highly acclaimed 5900. The video scaling was excellent as were the DACs, which I've only less than a year ago pressed into action with DVD-As. With the present lack of DVD-A/SACD support in next-gen optical players, I will likely have my 3910 for quite some time.

Yes, and the video! :)With the present lack of DVD-A/SACD support in next-gen optical players, I will likely have my 3910 for quite some time.


pepar, I plan to do the same. Right now I use Denon-Link to play high-rez discs and I connect the video from the player and my cable box DVR directly to my TV (70" Sony XBR) and use a Harmony remote to automatically do all of the input switching. Everything works great and even my wife and kid have no trouble with the system.

Question: is there any chance that Denon or anyone else will come out with an HD player that will also support DVD-A and SACD? And a follow up, is an HDMI connection even capable of supporting true DVD-A and SACD? I have a nice collection of each that I will want to continue to listen to.

Question: is there any chance that Denon or anyone else will come out with an HD player that will also support DVD-A and SACD? And a follow up, is an HDMI connection even capable of supporting true DVD-A and SACD? I have a nice collection of each that I will want to continue to listen to.
There's always a chance, but in spite ot the recent remaster/remix of the Genesis catalog into 5.1 SACD, those formats appear dead. The previous Panasonic BD player something-10-something played DVD-A, but the "30" does not.

I think the Oppo passes DVD-A over HDMI, but I am not sure . . .

I burn movies to DVD-R DL discs and some play back on the 3910 and some don't. I can take the discs that don't play on my 3910 and they play fine on my $50 Panasonic DVD player. Any ideas would be appreciated. Firmware update?

There's always a chance, but in spite ot the recent remaster/remix of the Genesis catalog into 5.1 SACD, those formats appear dead. The previous Panasonic BD player something-10-something played DVD-A, but the "30" does not.

I think the Oppo passes DVD-A over HDMI, but I am not sure . . .

One Oppo model does pass DVD-A digitally over HDMI and the other passes it as analog over HDMI, I think. Their website has the details.

I burn movies to DVD-R DL discs and some play back on the 3910 and some don't. I can take the discs that don't play on my 3910 and they play fine on my $50 Panasonic DVD player. Any ideas would be appreciated. Firmware update?
I should put this reply on a macro:

I hope I'm wrong, but this could be the beginning of the laser assembly failing. If this problem expands to more discs and more types of discs, then that it the problem. If it is the laser assembly, it is a several hundred dollar repair. And for most of us, that is not cost effective. Again, I hope I'm wrong. :)

I burn movies to DVD-R DL discs and some play back on the 3910 and some don't. I can take the discs that don't play on my 3910 and they play fine on my $50 Panasonic DVD player. Any ideas would be appreciated. Firmware update?

Your 3910 is a Ferrari not a Pinto, you can't put just anything in it and expect it to run. :D

Do a search of the early days of this thread. there was a particular brand of DVD-R that worked better than others but I don't remember which one it was.

Otherwise Pepar may be right.

I burn movies to DVD-R DL discs and some play back on the 3910 and some don't. I can take the discs that don't play on my 3910 and they play fine on my $50 Panasonic DVD player. Any ideas would be appreciated. Firmware update?


Chances are your dual layers are burning with a lot of errors. There are downloadable programs available to check this. Panasonics are always pretty good at reading damaged/error-filled discs.

Your 3910 is fine, you should get some better media. The only reliable dual layer media is DVD+R DL by Verbatim, either 2.4X Made in Singapore (not made in India) or 8X Made in Singapore.

Your 3910 is fine, you should get some better media. The only reliable dual layer media is DVD+R DL by Verbatim, either 2.4X Made in Singapore (not made in India) or 8X Made in Singapore.

There you go. :)

Yup - use the +R by Verbatim, they work well on my 3910.

Don

I use Memorex DVD+R dual-layer DVD's. They work perfectly in my 3910 as well as in my DVD burner.

AML,

I have since given up passing dts/dd through HDMI since I cannot get any reliable firmware update info locally and I don't want to run the risk of frying my player just to have that 'bug' off my back. I simply use coaxial now and I can't tell any difference nor detect and lipsync issue so I am quite happy, also even using HDMI, my Onkyo 805 shows PCM Multichannel so I guess something is being done!


Thanks for the reply. Thats pretty dissapointing. :(

I played a few discs on it since I got the new amp and even though it doesnt come up as DD or DTS, I still get pretty good sound from the player.
Its always propper 5.1 and it sounds good. But, im not sure what the best way to set the player is now that im using HDMI.

I noticed that lately that lately when you put on a disc, it starts to load & just comes up all zeros. I have to eject the drawer a couple of times before it starts to play. Is this a problem with the laser going out? I use the player allot. At least 5 to 6 movies per week. The player is about 2 years old i believe. Any info will help. Thanks.

I noticed that lately that lately when you put on a disc, it starts to load & just comes up all zeros. I have to eject the drawer a couple of times before it starts to play. Is this a problem with the laser going out? I use the player allot. At least 5 to 6 movies per week. The player is about 2 years old i believe. Any info will help. Thanks.

Sounds like the laser to me.

I noticed that lately that lately when you put on a disc, it starts to load & just comes up all zeros. I have to eject the drawer a couple of times before it starts to play. Is this a problem with the laser going out? I use the player allot. At least 5 to 6 movies per week. The player is about 2 years old i believe. Any info will help. Thanks.http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=12505466&postcount=7063

It's even on this page. Did you try searching?

Factory DVDs played fine in the 3910 but I had problems w/ my DVD-Rs not playing correctly in my 3910. Based on advice w/in this forum I tried DVD+Rs but ended up with the same problem - mostly stuttering picture/sound toward the last third of the disc. I started worrying about the laser assembly in my 3910. I did the following things and now have success with my DVD+Rs. I was using a samung writemaster DVD writer and I upgraded the firmware. I switched to image burn software and slowed my record speed to 8X. That did the trick and I am now re-recording some of my previous failures with success. Of course some of my failures would play in my cheap DVD player but not my 3910.

No more worry about my laser assembly !!

Factory DVDs played fine in the 3910 but I had problems w/ my DVD-Rs not playing correctly in my 3910. Based on advice w/in this forum I tried DVD+Rs but ended up with the same problem - mostly stuttering picture/sound toward the last third of the disc. I started worrying about the laser assembly in my 3910. I did the following things and now have success with my DVD+Rs. I was using a samung writemaster DVD writer and I upgraded the firmware. I switched to image burn software and slowed my record speed to 8X. That did the trick and I am now re-recording some of my previous failures with success. Of course some of my failures would play in my cheap DVD player but not my 3910.

No more worry about my laser assembly !!
Congratulations!

Thank you. My denon dvd5000 did the same thing. It was the assembly. Cost 189.00 to repair. (+ ship} We'll see if this gets worse. If so, the next player will e a hd type one. I hope it waits till the new combo players areout & reliable.

Just got our 6010 a few days ago; I've seen NiceD's recommended settings (in the Pioneer Kuro thread), but since I've got an "infinitely adjustable" Denon 3910 DVD player, its settings can/will interact with the Pio's.

So, does anyone else have a 3910/6010 combo? How've you configured each unit's settings?


Thanx,
Craig

Just got our 6010 a few days ago; I've seen NiceD's recommended settings (in the Pioneer Kuro thread), but since I've got an "infinitely adjustable" Denon 3910 DVD player, its settings can/will interact with the Pio's.

So, does anyone else have a 3910/6010 combo? How've you configured each unit's settings?


Thanx,
Craig

I don't have a Pioneer display, but I think most people recommend setting your display's controls first and then (if necessary) doing further tweaking with the DVD player's controls.

Does anyone know how to output a DSD direct stream to the receiver from the 3910?

I have set "SOURCE DIRECT" to "ON", but my receiver still displays "MULTI CH DIRECT" when receiving SACD signals via D-Link, but the manual indicates it should be displaying "DSD MULTI DIRECT".

Thanks.

Just got our 6010 a few days ago; I've seen NiceD's recommended settings (in the Pioneer Kuro thread), but since I've got an "infinitely adjustable" Denon 3910 DVD player, its settings can/will interact with the Pio's.
What controls does your 3910 have?

Well, the 3910 bit the dust last night. Darn! And I was hoping it would wait till the hd formats was ironed out. So, do I fix it at 250.00 plus, or donate it & buy a oppo, or another player??? I know it is a few years behind the times now. Thanks...

Well, the 3910 bit the dust last night. Darn! And I was hoping it would wait till the hd formats was ironed out. So, do I fix it at 250.00 plus, or donate it & buy a oppo, or another player??? I know it is a few years behind the times now. Thanks...Buy a new player. Get an HDMI 1.3a-capable universal player.

Get an HDMI 1.3a-capable universal player.

Such a thing does not exist. Why would an SD-DVD player need HDMI 1.3a? It wouldn't.

I'd get the new Oppo 983H when it arrives.

I sure hate to wait. I am using an old Sony I had as a standby. Composite input only. Looks OK for now. But not as good as I am use to. I think I'll wait for the oppo then. Not knowing anything about the company, It seems to get good reviews. I am just concerned about CD playback. I am spoiled on the Burr Brown dacs.

Oh, I am kinda p'oed that this is the second Denon that had a laser assembly go south. While my kids sony and panasonics, and some no name cheapy still shine well older than mine! Hmmmm?

Well, I just pulled the trigger on the oppo 981hd. Hope I didn't make a mistake. For now, it will serve it's purpose with sd DVD's till the format war is either over, or players that play both are available, and reliable. Then this one will go to my kids.

? ? ?

The Oppo might be good as a DVD player for movies but you said you are concerned about audio as well. In this case the Oppo just wont cut it

Such a thing does not exist. Why would an SD-DVD player need HDMI 1.3a? It wouldn't.I said universal player.....DVD, DVD-A, SACD, maybe the new HD formats. If one does not exist yet, it is surely on the horizon.

I hate to admit this, but after a dozen attempts to burn ESS-6609B to the 3 CD's and explicitly following the directions - the DVD-3910 will not read the 1st CD of the three CD set.

I have resorted to asking Denon last Monday (day before New Years) to send me the set. As of Friday, they have not been delivered.

Strangely enough, on the last burned set - disk 2 and 3 area readable by the DVD-3910.

The 1st CD provides the following response from the DVD-3910 of "LOADING" - then a response of all 0's for hours, minutes and seconds is displayed.

What in the H_ _ _ am I doing wrong?

The Oppo might be good as a DVD player for movies but you said you are concerned about audio as well. In this case the Oppo just wont cut it

I figured as much, so, O will be on the look out for either a good CD playedr (stand alone) or wait till the manafactures offer one for both. Kinda in limbo right now. As long as I can watch movies, I'll stay sane. I was looking at a Bryston player.

I figured as much, so, O will be on the look out for either a good CD playedr (stand alone) or wait till the manafactures offer one for both. Kinda in limbo right now. As long as I can watch movies, I'll stay sane. I was looking at a Bryston player.

From what I have read, The OPPO makes an excellent digital transport for music. Connect it digitally to your processor and use the processor to do the DAC.

Don

I hate to admit this, but after a dozen attempts to burn ESS-6609B to the 3 CD's and explicitly following the directions - the DVD-3910 will not read the 1st CD of the three CD set.

I have resorted to asking Denon last Monday (day before New Years) to send me the set. As of Friday, they have not been delivered.

Strangely enough, on the last burned set - disk 2 and 3 area readable by the DVD-3910.

The 1st CD provides the following response from the DVD-3910 of "LOADING" - then a response of all 0's for hours, minutes and seconds is displayed.

What in the H_ _ _ am I doing wrong?

From my experience doing the same thing resulted in a failure originally because I was using the wrong procedure while entering the CD.
For example the EU version required to initialize the unit by holding the "SKIP /Forward", "PLAY" and "OPEN/Close" buttons via the front panel for longer than 3 seconds.
A couple pages back on this thread pepar was giving instructions for the same procedure with the US firmware which differed a little

Well, the 3910 bit the dust last night. Darn! And I was hoping it would wait till the hd formats was ironed out. So, do I fix it at 250.00 plus, or donate it & buy a oppo, or another player??? I know it is a few years behind the times now. Thanks...


I see you purchased an Oppo.

If you have any type of SACD, DVD-A, so SD DVD collection I would have gotten the 3910 fixed.

That being said, feel free to ship the broken, no good, paper weight, piece of junk 3910 to Laurel, MD since you no longer have any use for it. :D

If you check the Blu Ray forums the format war is over and Blu ray won.

I hate to admit this, but after a dozen attempts to burn ESS-6609B to the 3 CD's and explicitly following the directions - the DVD-3910 will not read the 1st CD of the three CD set.

I have resorted to asking Denon last Monday (day before New Years) to send me the set. As of Friday, they have not been delivered.

Strangely enough, on the last burned set - disk 2 and 3 area readable by the DVD-3910.

The 1st CD provides the following response from the DVD-3910 of "LOADING" - then a response of all 0's for hours, minutes and seconds is displayed.

What in the H_ _ _ am I doing wrong?

A number of people had similar problems when the update was first released. Search the thread for Jason Coleman, if nothing else you'll get a chuckle out of his issues with the update. the disc

What speed did you burn the disc at and what software did you use?

From what I have read, The OPPO makes an excellent digital transport for music. Connect it digitally to your processor and use the processor to do the DAC.

Don


Thats what I am going to try out.

From what I have read, The OPPO makes an excellent digital transport for music. Connect it digitally to your processor and use the processor to do the DAC.

DonIf I may, what would the correct settings be in the 3910's audio setup menu? In particular, I'm curious how the "Source Direct" function should be set.

Thanks.

If I may, what would the correct settings be in the 3910's audio setup menu? In particular, I'm curious how the "Source Direct" function should be set.

Thanks.

I don't understand your question. You were responding to someone who was going to use an OPPO as a digital transport and connect it to their processor. The 3910 wouldn't be involved in this procedure--the processor (that is, the DAC) would be in the pre/pro or home theater receiver, and the OPPO would be digitally connected to it using its HDMI cable.

I don't understand your question. You were responding to someone who was going to use an OPPO as a digital transport and connect it to their processor. The 3910 wouldn't be involved in this procedure--the processor (that is, the DAC) would be in the pre/pro or home theater receiver, and the OPPO would be digitally connected to it using its HDMI cable.
I meant if I wanted use the 3910 as the transport, and let the AVR do the D/A conversion, what would the optimum setting be in the 3910 Audio Setup menu, in particular, what effect does the "Source Direct" on/off have on the process. Thanks.

A number of people had similar problems when the update was first released. Search the thread for Jason Coleman, if nothing else you'll get a chuckle out of his issues with the update. the disc

What speed did you burn the disc at and what software did you use?

I tried 4x and later 2x with no avail.

The directions are fairly straight forward. In fact, I just updated my AVR-4806 Audyssey MultEQ firmware this afternoon via Ethernet and a router with no problems. I will re-read the Jason Coleman postings and hopefully gleam a couple of tips. Obviously, the US directions are not working for my particular system. CD Media issues? Bad files? Glitch within DVD-3910?

The CD burning software is Roxio Easy CD Creator, Version 5.3.5.10, Windows 2000 SP4, Dell Laptop, Samsung CDRW/DVD SN-308B. The media is Memorex CD-R, Recordable 52X, 720MB, 80Min.


At this juncture, the DVD-3910 will not recognize Audio CDs...

Did you try the directions I posted above just in case ?

I meant if I wanted use the 3910 as the transport, and let the AVR do the D/A conversion, what would the optimum setting be in the 3910 Audio Setup menu, in particular, what effect does the "Source Direct" on/off have on the process. Thanks.

The Source Direct has no effect on any of the digital outputs because it works only to handle speaker processing on the 5.1 analog outputs. But recall that the 3910 does not transmit SACD or DVD-A through any digital output except the Denon Link 3 cable, so you'd need an appropriate model of Denon AVR if you want to use the 3910 as a digital transport for SACD's or DVD-A's.

Did you try the directions I posted above just in case ?

Yes, these are the same directions as provided by the Denon Support website.

The CD burning software is Roxio Easy CD Creator, Version 5.3.5.10, Windows 2000 SP4, Dell Laptop, Samsung CDRW/DVD SN-308B. The media is Memorex CD-R, Recordable 52X, 720MB, 80Min.

I had to use a trial version of Nero to get mine to work.

The Source Direct has no effect on any of the digital outputs because it works only to handle speaker processing on the 5.1 analog outputs. But recall that the 3910 does not transmit SACD or DVD-A through anydigital output except the Denon Link 3 cable, so you'd need an appropriate model of Denon AVR if you want to use the 3910 as a digital transport for SACD's or DVD-A's.Perfect. I am sending hi-rez signals through Denon Link to my new 3808. I was just befuddled by the "Source Direct" feature as well as some of the bass management set-up screens, seeing that I now want the AVR to do all of the processing. I guess those are greyed-out for a reason when DLINK3 is selected. :rolleyes:

I got into all of this minutia in my attempts to get the receiver to display "DSD DIRECT" or "DSD MULTI DIRECT" when outputting SACD via Denon Link. I cannot for the life of me, figure out what settings I need to achieve this, and whether they are in the 3910 set-up menus or in the 3808. :confused:

"the 3910 does not transmit SACD or DVD-A through any digital output except the Denon Link 3 cable"

That is not correct. The 3910 sends any digital stream - especially including SACD and DVD-A - via iLink/Firewire/IEEE 1394.

So it is not correct that "you'd need an appropriate model of Denon AVR if you want to use the 3910 as a digital transport for SACD's or DVD-A's." Any receiver with an iLink/firewire /IEEE 1394 input is capable of using the 3910 as a digital transport for any (non-HD) bitstream.

My 3910 sends any bitstream data to my 59TXi via iLink.
Sounds far superior than SPDIF, BTW.

I downloaded the 18MB file last night and will give it another shot or two. It is worth it. The DVD video reproduction for my 1080I DLP is incredible!!

Does anybody know if the laser fix is a "permanent" fix, as in more than 3 years? I love this player but that fix has to be a one-time thing, as I plan to use this as my audio(CD/SACD/DVDA) source.

does anyone know if 3910 sends MC SACD through HDMI ?

does anyone know if 3910 sends MC SACD through HDMI ?

From post #7040:

The 3910 will not pass SACD/DVD-A bitstreams over HDMI. Nor will it decode and send them as hi-res multichannel over HDMI. This will never change. The choices for listening to these hi-res formats are iLink, Denon Link or six-channel analog.

What about the Oppo 980H?

I'm still loving the 3910 for SD DVD playback and SACD/DVD-A and CD's. My only complaint is that if I'm listening to a CD using the 6 channel analog out and want to play a DVD, I have to go into the menu and disable the 6 channel analog out in order to get the HDMI sound to work correctly. I wish my Elite reciever would let me assign the 6-channel analog input to work in conjunction with the HDMI input so that I wouldn't have to change the setup all the time and could just use the 6 channel analog all the time along with the HDMI for video only.

Quick update.

I finally received the Firmware updatea disks from Denon - NJ by mail yesterday. I attempted to upload the updates via the CD's. Once again, the CS's were not readable. This suggests a couple of things:

1.) I was able to correctly burn my own CD's. Once again, the player will not read any type of CD's - including music and Denon patch CD's.

2.) I am assuming that there is something amiss with the hardware.

3.) I am sending the unit to the factor for repair.

DTW

My local dealer has a floor model 3910 for $499. Is this worth picking up at this price? I already have HD-DVD, and after the Warner announcement I think I'm going back to SD DVD. Blu-ray is still to much of a mess and the only decent BD player is a game console... ick. This would be hooked to a Sharp 42" 1080P LCD via HDMI through an Integra DTC-9.8 (which upscales as well). Is this worth picking up?

Quick update.

I finally received the Firmware updatea disks from Denon - NJ by mail yesterday. I attempted to upload the updates via the CD's. Once again, the CS's were not readable. This suggests a couple of things:

1.) I was able to correctly burn my own CD's. Once again, the player will not read any type of CD's - including music and Denon patch CD's.

2.) I am assuming that there is something amiss with the hardware.

3.) I am sending the unit to the factor for repair.

DTW
3.) If it is the laser assembly, are you willing to pay the ~$300 to fix it? For me, that would be the end of the line for my 3910. Can you say "O-p-p-o?" :)

Pepar, will remember that couple pages back I had the same issues, regarding burning and uploading the firmware to my 3910. At the end of the day, after overcoming, a simple burning issue it had to do with a stupid key sequence that one has to press. Check with your local Denon guys to make sure that you are doing it correctly.

Pepar, will remember that couple pages back I had the same issues, regarding burning and uploading the firmware to my 3910. At the end of the day, after overcoming, a simple burning issue it had to do with a stupid key sequence that one has to press. Check with your local Denon guys to make sure that you are doing it correctly.
In that case, the OP should not be doing 2.) :)

Yes, it would be because I believe that the DVD upscaling meets my need to handle DVD (and implicitly HD-DVD, SACD, DVD-Audio) without commiting to the HD-DVD format. I am looking for 1080i support today.

Additionally, I will purchase the Blue Ray technology when the prices, standards and push to choose a format are finalied and required. The DVD-3910 architecture and quality are still heads above any DVD player (except the DVD-5910).

Quick update.

I finally received the Firmware updatea disks from Denon - NJ by mail yesterday. I attempted to upload the updates via the CD's. Once again, the CS's were not readable. This suggests a couple of things:

1.) I was able to correctly burn my own CD's. Once again, the player will not read any type of CD's - including music and Denon patch CD's.

2.) I am assuming that there is something amiss with the hardware.

3.) I am sending the unit to the factor for repair.

DTW
If it does not play any disc as you state than it can't read the disc with the patch on it.

My local dealer has a floor model 3910 for $499. Is this worth picking up at this price?
I'd say it is, especially if you plan to use it for music as well.
3.) If it is the laser assembly, are you willing to pay the ~$300 to fix it? For me, that would be the end of the line for my 3910. Can you say "O-p-p-o?" :)
How will the Oppo sound hooked up to a 4806 for Hi-rez music?

Yes, it would be because I believe that the DVD upscaling meets my need to handle DVD (and implicitly HD-DVD, SACD, DVD-Audio) without commiting to the HD-DVD format. I am looking for 1080i support today.
I believe that the Oppo does at least as good (some think better) upscaling as the Denon. And for $300, you could buy a new unit. Also, the Oppo sends SACD over HDMI; the 3910 sends only DVD-A.

But mainly, in my mind, buying a new unit - with a warranty - is better than repairing a unit that could have another failure 2 minutes after getting it back with a new laser assembly.

If it does not play any disc as you state than it can't read the disc with the patch on it.


I'd say it is, especially if you plan to use it for music as well.

How will the Oppo sound hooked up to a 4806 for Hi-rez music?
I've heard that it sounds great. There's a thread on AVS; check it out. I know that there are a lot of former 3910 owners there.

Thanks, I'll check it out. Also depends on how I do in Vegas this weekend:D

Pepar,

You are correct. However, I am committed to the DENON architecture for my HT setup. Secondly, I am using DENON Link III for all audio transmissions, thus the support for all audio formats like SACD, etc...


My next purchase will be a DENON BlueRay player when it supports SACD and DVD-Audio, otherwise, I will have two players - one DENON DVD Player and one DENON BlueRay player.

Pepar,

You are correct. However, I am committed to the DENON architecture for my HT setup. Secondly, I am using DENON Link III for all audio transmissions, thus the support for all audio formats like SACD, etc...


My next purchase will be a DENON BlueRay player when it supports SACD and DVD-Audio, otherwise, I will have two players - one DENON DVD Player and one DENON BlueRay player.
You may already know this, but (I'm pretty sure that) the current DVD player line-up is the end of the line for Denon Link, i.e. their BD players will output the new codecs via HDMI only, or decode internally and pass as LPCM over HDMI or as analog via the 5.1/7.1 phono jacks.

I tried 4x and later 2x with no avail.

The directions are fairly straight forward. In fact, I just updated my AVR-4806 Audyssey MultEQ firmware this afternoon via Ethernet and a router with no problems. I will re-read the Jason Coleman postings and hopefully gleam a couple of tips. Obviously, the US directions are not working for my particular system. CD Media issues? Bad files? Glitch within DVD-3910?

The CD burning software is Roxio Easy CD Creator, Version 5.3.5.10, Windows 2000 SP4, Dell Laptop, Samsung CDRW/DVD SN-308B. The media is Memorex CD-R, Recordable 52X, 720MB, 80Min.


At this juncture, the DVD-3910 will not recognize Audio CDs...


Sorry to hear of your troubles.

Are you using the standard 4806 or upgraded CI model? If you do indeed get an Oppo with DSD via HDMI support, I would be interested to hear if you can get the 4806CI (if that's what you have) to recognize DSD via HDMI. I know Denon 'officially' says that model is HDMI 1.1, but based on pictures of the HDMI boards, it should support DSD.

Hi guys, I'm completely new to this forum so bear with me in case I'm asking beginners questions :)

I've got the following weird issue with my 3910.

If I play a DVD and the TV is on the "DVD channel", everything is fine.
But whenever I play DVDs and the TV is on another channel, sound drops every couple of seconds.

Very annoying because I can't just listen to a music DVD while watching something else on TV.

What is causing this behaviour and how can I fix it?


setup:
- DVD3910 connected to Denon DRA3805 via DenonLink
- DVD3910 connected to Philips 32PFL9662D LCD TV via HDMI

greetings from Holland !

I have the same problem when listening to CDs... I believe it is the HDMI handshake that the 3910 does that causes the drop out.... I turn off HDMI (remote or front of unit) and everything is good.... a bit of a pain, but it fixes the issue.....

Don

My AVR-4806 is not the upgraded to the CI version. I cannot justify having my HT receiver providing a resolution upgrade (for $) when my 3910 and future Denon BD will provide that sort of service independently. FYI -- the AVR-4806 is a wonderful system, especially with the MULT EQ enabled. Denon quality (when tuned correctly) really adds a major enhancement to the overall Audio/Video experience in my HT room and multi level abode.

My next purchase will be a DENON BlueRay player when it supports SACD and DVD-Audio, otherwise, I will have two players - one DENON DVD Player and one DENON BlueRay player.


Unfortunately, don't hold your breath waiting for a Denon player that does BluRay and SACD/DVD-A; I think those audio formats are sinking fast. We're over here on AVS wanting the highest possible sound and video quality, but the vast majority of the marketplace is fine with 128Kbps mp3 files and 3" pictures on their iPods, as long as they can watch sports at 1080i...

OK 3910 gurus, got a question for ya. Are the 2 channel analog ouputs affected by bass management or is the signal full range? If the answer is in this thread, it would take me days to find it. It's not that I'm lazy.Thanks

OK 3910 gurus, got a question for ya. Are the 2 channel analog ouputs affected by bass management or is the signal full range? If the answer is in this thread, it would take me days to find it. It's not that I'm lazy.Thanks
Bass management sends frequencies too low for the the main speakers to reproduce to a subwoofer. The answer is not in the thread, but in an understanding of bass management. No ".1" with the 2-ch analog outputs, so the answer to your question is no, it is not affected.

Rinkledorf,

I would think they would get the full range. On the other hand, if you connected to your 5 channel out's Left and Right (EDIT: without a sub) it would assume you had a subwoofer and you could loose some material, depending on how your speakers were set. That's my guess.

3.) If it is the laser assembly, are you willing to pay the ~$300 to fix it? For me, that would be the end of the line for my 3910. Can you say "O-p-p-o?" :)

Exactly what I have done! Good for you. Mine sits in a corner & can be used as a reliable paper weight.

Bass management sends frequencies too low for the the main speakers to reproduce to a subwoofer. The answer is not in the thread, but in an understanding of bass management. No ".1" with the 2-ch analog outputs, so the answer to your question is no, it is not affected.

I know what bass management does, I Just wanted to make sure the 2 channel outs send a full signal, because I'll be using the 2 channel analog outs for cd listening. This will be feeding a Musical fidelity pre amp. Thanks

Quick update. The system needed a new laser assembly -- Cost is $362.68 including shipping and handling. FYI -- I did not pay for the entire repair, just $12.50 of total amount. New 1080I Denon DVD Player. Priceless.

Secondly, DenonJeff has implied in another thread that INDEED, DVD-Audio and SACD with Denon LINK III is in the plans for future Denon BlueRay release.

Secondly, DenonJeff has implied in another thread that INDEED, DVD-Audio and SACD with Denon LINK III is in the plans for future Denon BlueRay release.

I'll believe it when I see it... When all of the AVR business has been going steadily in the direction of HDMI, why would Denon bother with DL-3 any more, especially for relatively uncommon source media like SACD (or DVD-A--is anyone still releasing any DVD-A's?).

I'll believe it when I see it... When all of the AVR business has been going steadily in the direction of HDMI, why would Denon bother with DL-3 any more, especially for relatively uncommon source media like SACD (or DVD-A--is anyone still releasing any DVD-A's?).
I thought the OP was saying that they were going to pass BD audio via DL.

I thought the OP was saying that they were going to pass BD audio via DL.


Could be that this is what was meant--it wasn't clear. If that's true, i'm still scratching my head. HMDI does that already; what's in it for Denon to build in another connection that does exactly the same thing?

Could be that this is what was meant--it wasn't clear. If that's true, i'm still scratching my head. HMDI does that already; what's in it for Denon to build in another connection that does exactly the same thing?
Me scratching head, too. Less or no handshaking "issues?"

Is it possible that over DL they will be able to play BOTH the main and PiP audio...the information is in the bitstream after all and if the player can communicate the operations (e.g., ff, rew, etc.) then the outboard processor should be able to do what the player would do internally...

just a thought.

Secondly, DenonJeff has implied in another thread that INDEED, DVD-Audio and SACD with Denon LINK III is in the plans for future Denon BlueRay release.

When they do that is when I make the transition to BluRay. We don't play movies very often, I have a nice collection of DVD-A's and SACD's, and I prefer to have only one player in my system.

does the denon 3910 output dolby digital thru hdmi or is it always sent pcm? i just switched my avr from denon 4306 to pioneer and i cant remember if denon avr showed dd or multichannel. pioneer only shows pcm. pretty sure i set it up correctly. plus i never changed setting after i got the new avr.

does the denon 3910 output dolby digital thru hdmi or is it always sent pcm?
It's your choice in SETUP.

First time posting in this thread. I have been searching all over this site for answers to the various problems I've bumped into tuning my system. 2 days ago my Denon 3910 would freeze up about 10 seconds after it was turned on, getting stuck on "loading". I thought it was the laser assembly possibly after reading various posts. It turns out that my AVM50 was the problem. I just updated the firmware on that and it was causing the 3910 to freezeif using HDMI. If I disconnect the HDMI cable everything works great! I just cancelled my OPPO order and am happily listening to SACD analog direct again. SACD digital from my PS3 just doesn't come close.

Quick update. The repair of the laser assembly and update to firmware has really improved my user experience of the 3910. The sound and video reproduction is breathtaking. Highly recommend the 3910 and 3910ci models.

ithink i have it set up correct but my avr only shows pcm? i have a pioneer elite vsx-94txh

OK, just got a new to me 3910. I finally get a chance to play some sacd stuff. Got a Petet Gabriel sacd and it plays fine. I have 2 Elton John sacd/cd. Captain Fantastic, and Madman across the water. But neither one will play. Not in sacd or regular cd text. Is this common? A little help please. One more thing. How do I know what firmware I have?

OK. I reset to factory default. Pressing fast foward/play then the open/close button for about 3 seconds. Now my EJ sacd's will play in regular cd but the player still doesn't recognize it as a sacd. Very odd.

OK. I reset to factory default. Pressing fast foward/play then the open/close button for about 3 seconds. Now my EJ sacd's will play in regular cd but the player still doesn't recognize it as a sacd. Very odd.

With the 3910 turned on and an SACD in the drawer BUT STOPPED, have you tried pushing the SACD SETUP button on the remote until the display shows MULTI? Once you have done that, it should play in 5.1 SACD, and any other SACD's that you put in the drawer after that will automatically be started in 5.1 mode (or 2-channel SACD if the disc is a 2-channel SACD without surround tracks).

If this doesn't work, I suspect there is something wrong with your 3910.

...If this doesn't work, I suspect there is something wrong with your 3910.

I agree. All of those SACDs work in my DVD-3910. {EDIT: How does the OP have it hooked up to the AVR?}

5.1 analog out. DVD-A works just fine.

I gather from your description the player isn't reading the SACD (i.e., not showing SACD on the display) and something is wrong with it. My only other thought is, if you are using the Analog connection that possibly you hit the Mode button on your AVR's remote (or ext in) and it's not allowing the SACD track to be channeled.

Also do you have your DVD-3910 set up as an Audio player in Setup and do you have it setup as 2 channel in the HDMI configuration?

I gather from your description the player isn't reading the SACD (i.e., not showing SACD on the display) and something is wrong with it. My only other thought is, if you are using the Analog connection that possibly you hit the Mode button on your AVR's remote (or ext in) and it's not allowing the SACD track to be channeled.

Also do you have your DVD-3910 set up as an Audio player in Setup and do you have it setup as 2 channel in the HDMI configuration?

I can't see how the HDMI configuration would have anything to do with this problem. Am I missing something? For once <g>, I think we have a non-HDMI problem.

The OP is saying that the 3910 is playing back only the cd layer, and that it's playing the cd layer through the 5.1 analog out. If the blue SACD logo is lit on the 3910, then SACD sound (either MULTI or STEREO, depending which layer you choose) will play through the 5.1 analog outputs. If the blue logo is not lit, then the CD layer will play through those outputs.

The AVR will play whatever comes in via its 5.1 input, whether it's an SACD layer or the CD layer. The AVR can't tell the difference; so if CD sounds is playing (which it is), then SACD sound would, too. Clearly the problem lies in the 3910. Either the OP's machine is broken or he needs to follow the instructions I posted earlier about how to choose the SACD layer using the SUPER AUDIO CD SETUP button on the remote.

I was messing around with the setup menus trying to output the CD layer of a hybrid SACD to an external DAC. Couldn't get it to work, so I decided to try a regular CD. I tried 4 different CDs but it won't play any. I'm not too savvy with this stuff, so I'm hoping I just screwed up a setting.

When I put a CD in, it seems to say "loading" for longer than usual and then the display says 0h00m00s. Pressing play just gives me the hand in a circle with the slash through it on the TV.

With an SACD it will play the stereo layer but the CD layer won't play.

I tried turning it off and on. Also tried unplugging it overnight. This morning it played certain CDs and not others and then started refusing all CDs.

I'm hoping it's just a setting I'm overlooking. Someone suggested cleaning the laser, if anyone knows a good product to do that, I'd appreciate it.

Thanks in advance.

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SACD's won't even play in mine. Be it multi, stereo or cd text. same readout as yours 0h00m00s. The disc doesn't even spin.:mad: DVD-A DVD-V and regular cd's work though.

Well that's weird since my problem is the opposite of yours.

Sue

SACD's won't even play in mine. Be it multi, stereo or cd text. same readout as yours 0h00m00s. The disc doesn't even spin.:mad: DVD-A DVD-V and regular cd's work though.Cost me $400 to fix just this problem.

Here's what's happening now. I tried a copy of Peter Gabriel "shaking the tree" SACD. This is not a hybrid. The sacd logo lights up and the disc plays fine. Then tried a Diana Krall's The Girl In The Other Room "hybrid" sacd. No sacd logo. But the cd layer plays now. But the sacd layer still doesn't work. Could it be possible that the player isn't reading the dual layer?

I am not certain -- but the "Girl In the Other Room" disc I have is Redbook CD on one side and DVD/DVD-Audio on the other. Are you sure yours is a SACD disc?

It's a sacd. Drove 40 miles tonight to the nearest BB. The only sacd's I could find were Diana Krall and David Bowie's Ziggy Stardust. Talk about opposite ends of the musical spectrum.

It's a sacd. Drove 40 miles tonight to the nearest BB. The only sacd's I could find were Diana Krall and David Bowie's Ziggy Stardust. Talk about opposite ends of the musical spectrum.If you have a limited spectrum. :D

Oh, yes, I also have the Krall on SACD.

If you have a limited spectrum. :D

Touche:)

Your laser assembly is broken. I had the same problem.

Your laser assembly is broken. I had the same problem.
Oh man, that's brutal. :)

...Oh, yes, I also have the Krall on SACD.

I have all of the disks that Rinkledorf mentioned EXCEPT Diana Krall and they play fine in my player. :)

Unfortunately it sounds like gailstorm's laser unit is about to go out and Rinkledorf's already bit the dust. Do both still play DVDs? I also assume on the Dualdisks that you are turning them over to get to the SACD layer (at least that is how my DVD-A Dualdisks are).

Btw, I have no experience in cleaning the laser, nor have I had to in the 3 years I have owned this player.

I wonder what the spec. is for this unit's laser assembly regarding hours of use? I too have a 3910 and wonder if I should just use it for SACD/DVD-audio (vs. DVD movie playback) to minimize its use?

Andre'

I wonder what the spec. is for this unit's laser assembly regarding hours of use? I too have a 3910 and wonder if I should just use it for SACD/DVD-audio (vs. DVD movie playback) to minimize its use?

Andre'
Don't know about the first question, but I still use my 3910 for standard DVDs as well as DVD-A. For SD-DVDs, I output 480i over component to my external video processor. Depending on the presence of a video processor in your system - external or built into a pre/pro or AVR or display - I might still use the 3910 to upscale to 1080i over HDMI as I believe it does a better job than the Panny BD30 Blu player that I have.

I took it to my local tech and he checked the laser under a microscope. It was clean so he ordered a new laser assembly.

It was playing DVDs and SACDs ok so I guess it varies in what kind of discs it will stop reading first when the laser starts to go.

Thanks to all for your help in figuring this out.

Sue

Sue, what was the damage $, for a new laser? If you don't want to post the price on the board, you can shoot me a PM. thanks

I just upgraded my AVR 4306 to the new AVR4308CI. I had my Denon 3910 hooked up to the 4306 with the firmware upgrade to Denon Link 3 and it played sacd and dvd audio and all audio formats of SD movies flawlessly.
I had it hooked up to HDMI for video and and DL 3 for Audio.
Well with the new 4308 you just assign your HDMI then your digital, Component, analogue, etc. There is no Video assignment and audio assignment.
I hooked up the 3910 to the 4308 just like i had in the 4306.
Now I can't play sacd at all, dvd audo is in 2 channel only and regular dvds only play in 2 channel only.
I have it hooked up to HDMI #3 and Digital is Denonlink. Nothing else. But it seems like the denon link is not being recognized for the audio. I can unplug the denon link and it still plays and it also has the denon link light still on??

I read in an earlier post that the HDMI 1.3 of my new amp the 4308 can't receive DD or DTS signals from the 1.1 Denon 3910.

How can I set my amp or Denon 3910 to get the most out of it then. I want to at least to be able to play movies in 5.1. Can I unhook the hdmi to play dvd-a and sacd?? I am stumped.
I have been playing with this since Friday morning trying to solve.
If anyone has solved this issue to the best that this player can now do I would really appreciate those settings.
Thanks

I just upgraded my AVR 4306 to the new AVR4308CI. I had my Denon 3910 hooked up to the 4306 with the firmware upgrade to Denon Link 3 and it played sacd and dvd audio and all audio formats of SD movies flawlessly.
I had it hooked up to HDMI for video and and DL 3 for Audio.
Well with the new 4308 you just assign your HDMI then your digital, Component, analogue, etc. There is no Video assignment and audio assignment.
I hooked up the 3910 to the 4308 just like i had in the 4306.
Now I can't play sacd at all, dvd audo is in 2 channel only and regular dvds only play in 2 channel only.
I have it hooked up to HDMI #3 and Digital is Denonlink. Nothing else. But it seems like the denon link is not being recognized for the audio. I can unplug the denon link and it still plays and it also has the denon link light still on??

I read in an earlier post that the HDMI 1.3 of my new amp the 4308 can't receive DD or DTS signals from the 1.1 Denon 3910.
I'm trying my 3910 with HDMI right now. I just played a DVD-A and passed hi-res multichannel to my new pre/pro via HDMI. I have not been able to pass DD/DTS for decoding in the pre/pro, but that's not necessary if they are decoded onboard and passed as mc audio.

I'm trying my 3910 with HDMI right now. I just played a DVD-A and passed hi-res multichannel to my new pre/pro via HDMI. I have not been able to pass DD/DTS for decoding in the pre/pro, but that's not necessary if they are decoded onboard and passed as mc audio.

So you must have it set to Multi Channel in Hdmi settings in the 3910??
Or?

So you must have it set to Multi Channel in Hdmi settings in the 3910??
Or?
Multichannel (Normal) is where I have mine right now.

Can somebody help me....

I just bought a used 3910.

1) How do you download Denon firmware updates into unit?
2) Does the Cat 6 Ethernet (or D Link) conection work better than the analog multi connections for audio?
3) Does the analog stereo connections sound better than the optical digital stereo?
4) Is it a given that the DVI connection will provide a better picture than the component connections?

Thanks.

1. you download it from the Denon site and burn it on to a cd(s)
2. and 3. depend on what you are connecting it to.
4 yes

2 & 3= Connecting to Denon AVR-3805

2 & 3= Connecting to Denon AVR-3805

There was a long discussion about this much earlier in this thread, and the consensus was you should try both DL and analog and judge for yourself which should best with your speakers in your room. I personally prefer the DL using the bass management in the receiver, but most seem to prefer the analog connection.

Multichannel (Normal) is where I have mine right now.

Going from the AVR4306 to the AVR4308 causing that many issues with my Denon 3910 is sure a drag. I can't believe I lost denon link and hdmi being able to be used togther .
No one has been able to answer me as to what I should do. It seems I can change to component to get my DD, DTS and DVD-A and SACD by way of the denon link but I loose my upconverting. And if I use HDMI I loose DD, DTS, and SACD. I do get Multi Channel in PCM instead.
Is that right?? My issues are in my post on page 239 post 7169.
Appreciate any ideas or help.

Going from the AVR4306 to the AVR4308 causing that many issues with my Denon 3910 is sure a drag. I can't believe I lost denon link and hdmi being able to be used togther .
No one has been able to answer me as to what I should do. It seems I can change to component to get my DD, DTS and DVD-A and SACD by way of the denon link but I loose my upconverting. And if I use HDMI I loose DD, DTS, and SACD. I do get Multi Channel in PCM instead.
Is that right?? My issues are in my post on page 239 post 7169.
Appreciate any ideas or help.
I've never used DL or iLink and am new to HDMI audio. But is it possible that the 3910 is in "video" mode instead of "audio" mode? That would mean DVD-A's are defaulting to Dolby Digital. Sorry I'm not more help. :o

I've never used DL or iLink and am new to HDMI audio. But is it possible that the 3910 is in "video" mode instead of "audio" mode? That would mean DVD-A's are defaulting to Dolby Digital. Sorry I'm not more help. :o
No it is in Audio mode.
I read in an earlier post that the Denon 3910 is HDMI 1.1 ands the newer Denon Receivers are HDMI 1.3 and that they cannot read each other for passing on Dolby Digital, DTS, DVD Audio and SACD.
I get DVD audio, but in 2 channel, as well as DD and DTS. I had the 4306 for a few months waiting for the newer 4308 to come in and it all worked flawlessly.
Bummer!!
So that is what I am trying to find out, how to be able to set it up for the best possibilties. I guess the Denon 3910 is just getting too old for the newer technologies.

Also the Audio / Video setting is not for audio sound , it is for DVD audio only to pick what format it will read the dvd audio disc first and then play that..

No it is in Audio mode.
I read in an earlier post that the Denon 3910 is HDMI 1.1 ands the newer Denon Receivers are HDMI 1.3 and that they cannot read each other for passing on Dolby Digital, DTS, DVD Audio and SACD.
I've never heard that before. True, I have not been able to "bitstream" Dolby Digital or DTS over HDMI, but It is decoding them onboard and sending LPCM to the pre/pro, which shows it as Multichannel. And that is what my pre/pro reports when playing DVD-A and sending it as LPCM over HDMI.

[QUOTE=LoWd0Wn;13218538]No it is in Audio mode.
..I guess the Denon 3910 is just getting too old for the newer technologies.

QUOTE]

:eek:

I have My DVD 3910 hooked up to my AVR 4806 and all of those formats play on my HT through DL. If what you are saying is true HDMI 1.3 doesn't appear to be an upgrade for you. :(

My only thought is to confirm that you actually have Denon Link 3rd actually displayed in the Digital Interface Setup on the DVD-3910. If so, I would pose the question on that DenonJeff (all things denon, sticky) thread in Amps. http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=986619&page=22#post13218574

[QUOTE=LoWd0Wn;13218538]No it is in Audio mode.
..I guess the Denon 3910 is just getting too old for the newer technologies.

QUOTE]

:eek:

I have My DVD 3910 hooked up to my AVR 4806 and all of those formats play on my HT through DL. If what you are saying is true HDMI 1.3 doesn't appear to be an upgrade for you. :(

My only thought is to confirm that you actually have Denon Link 3rd actually displayed in the Digital Interface Setup on the DVD-3910. If so, I would pose the question on that DenonJeff (all things denon, sticky) thread in Amps. http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=986619&page=22#post13218574

Thanks Zen,
Yes I do have the Denon Link 3rd Generation done. I have it set to 3rd inthe settings.
Isn't the 4806 last years model.
I also had last years with the 4306 and it was fine. It is this new one the 4308 that is causing me the issues with running hdmi and denon link.
Thanks for the link re Denon Stuff. I will check it out.
I read in an earlier post here about those issues re HDMI for 1.3 vs 1.1/
But this afternoon I was checking on Denon.com and it had a PDF on the support page for the new 4308 on the HDMI capabilities and it says it is compatible???
So I don't know what the hell???

Boy do I feel like a fool!!

I have been writing in about a problem with Denon Link not coming thru with HDMI in the 3910.
Well it does and it does flawlessly.
I was waiting for a call from Denon as I just couldn't figure out what setting I had missed. This is my 3rd Denon Amp and love them.
I was waiting for his call and in my mind going over it and also thinking about the Ethernet cable I need to get to do the firmware update and then it hit me.
I bet I got the Denon Link in the Ethernet slot.
Sure enough I did.
The Denon rep called and we had a good laugh about it as I have been going nuts trying to figure this.

So to the other people that were saying that the two ( AVR 4308 and the Denon 3910 do not react together due to the different types of HDMI) they are wrong.
It does and it does great!!
Settings for Denon 3910
HDMI 2 channel
Denon Link set to 3rd.
Settings for AVR 4308
Input Mode : Digital for the 3910.
It plays SACD, DVD-A and all formats of 5.1 sound.

Nothin' like a cheap fix. ;-)

Nothin' like a cheap fix. ;-)
Hahaha
Your right about that one.

Sorry if this has been explained before, but I could not find it in this huge thread.

Is there any way to bypass the video proccessing in the 3910 and send a straight "through" signal by HDMI to my projector ? I have a Marantz VP15S1 with a very nice Gennum VXP GF9351 processor built in and I would like to use it for all of the video processing.

Sorry if this has been explained before, but I could not find it in this huge thread.

Is there any way to bypass the video proccessing in the 3910 and send a straight "through" signal by HDMI to my projector ? I have a Marantz VP15S1 with a very nice Gennum VXP GF9351 processor built in and I would like to use it for all of the video processing.
Not via HDMI I don't think. DVDs are native 480i which the 3910 cannot outputted by HDMI. Even when set to do no scaling, it is deinterlacing and outputting 480p via HDMI.

I will be visiting NY in a few days and I was wondering if anybody could give me any advice on a discount store for audio. I am familiar with Harvey's (top dollar) and J&R, I don't recall any other store worth noticing.

I will be visiting NY in a few days and I was wondering if anybody could give me any advice on a discount store for audio. I am familiar with Harvey's (top dollar) and J&R, I don't recall any other store worth noticing.
Sound City, but that's in Jersey. Northern Jersey.

Sound City, but that's in Jersey. Northern Jersey.

Thanks Pepar, I see that they have a convenient location in NY, NY also
SOUND CITY
58 WEST 45TH STREET
NEW YORK, NY

Thanks Pepar, I see that they have a convenient location in NY, NY also
SOUND CITY
58 WEST 45TH STREET
NEW YORK, NY
OK, I only ever dealt with them by phone and visited one time. Have cash - EUROS are popular here! ;) - and be prepared to wheel-and-deal.

I guess they are orthodox, huh? :-)

I guess they are orthodox, huh? :-)
:)

:)

I am Orthodox too, Greek Orthodox :)

I am so screwed! It's a Jewish holiday from the 18th until the 27th!!!
What is your experience guys? I got the above from B&H
Do they all close for so many days?

I am so screwed! It's a Jewish holiday from the 18th until the 27th!!!
What is your experience guys? I got the above from B&H
Do they all close for so many days?
ROTFL!

I guess they are orthodox, huh? :-)

Huh? I don't get it. What does this mean?

Sorry if this has been explained before, but I could not find it in this huge thread.

Is there any way to bypass the video proccessing in the 3910 and send a straight "through" signal by HDMI to my projector ? I have a Marantz VP15S1 with a very nice Gennum VXP GF9351 processor built in and I would like to use it for all of the video processing.

Definitely give component a go, if it is possible with your cabling setup, and set the output to interlaced in the 3910. The component output on the 3910 is excellent and on my particular projector gives a cleaner image with less noise than dvi/hdmi. Dont necessarily dismiss it as inferior because of theoretical advantages of a digital connection.

Huh? I don't get it. What does this mean?

Just reveals my previous experience with shops selling electronics of that sort. All good ones were owned by Orthodox Jewish people.
Their selling approach was not always straight. Having said that, B&H is my favorite store and it is also run by Orthodox Jewish guys.
My belief in general is that you can find good or bad professionals everywhere!

Just reveals my previous experience with shops selling electronics of that sort. All good ones were owned by Orthodox Jewish people.
Their selling approach was not always straight. Having said that, B&H is my favorite store and it is also run by Orthodox Jewish guys.
My belief in general is that you can find good or bad professionals everywhere!
This has become a sleepy little thread lately, so I'll continue the OT subject. Can't - and wouldn't - comment on anyone's ethnicity, but my experience with many of the online "photo" vendors is that they have killer prices, but beware the heavy upsell on warranties, accessories and supplies. The *never* have the best price on those. The typical trick is that, instead of just shipping your order, they will call for the upsell. If they have to leave a message, it is usually something along the lines of "there's a problem with your order." Anything to get you on the phone with them.

I'll go a bit further - let's leave nationalities and ethnicities out of this discussion.

What I have noticed is that the online pricing was not as good as the pricing in the store.
I have visited, negotiated and purchased from many real stores in NY and as far as I am concerned I have concluded that B&H was the most reliable one

I'll go a bit further - let's leave nationalities and ethnicities out of this discussion.

I agree. This kind of information is unnecessary and irrelevant and only serves to perpetuate negative stereotypes.

Anyone have settings with the above equipment. I have no problem with a BD30 blu-ray player or Toshiba HD XA2 for detecting native audio (Dobly TruHD or DTS Master) When I put in Fleetwood Mac's Rumors I don't even have the option of multichannel.

Anyone have settings with the above equipment. I have no problem with a BD30 blu-ray player or Toshiba HD XA2 for detecting native audio (Dobly TruHD or DTS Master) When I put in Fleetwood Mac's Rumors I don't even have the option of multichannel.

Are you using HDMI or D-Link from the 3910? HDMI won't work, since the 3910 isn't 1.3a compliant. You need to use D-Link to transport SACD or DVD-A signals.

CAN ANY ONE PLEASE ANSWER MY QUESTION.

Which one is better 3910 or 2930ci?

From my understanding if you are going to be playing SACD/DVD-A/Redbook CD then the DVD 3910 would be better. If you aren't going to be listening to High Rez music then the DVD 2930ci would be better. {EDITED}

CAN ANY ONE PLEASE ANSWER MY QUESTION.

Which one is better 3910 or 2930ci?

3910

Thanks my friends. The reaso why I am asking you to choose which better coz I have them both. And both of them are connected to my 5308ci. 3910 is only 500 brand new from the authorized dealer online and the 2930ci is 600.00 from the same dealer. But i want to keep only one because they perform the same in general as for me.

Are you using HDMI or D-Link from the 3910? HDMI won't work, since the 3910 isn't 1.3a compliant. You need to use D-Link to transport SACD or DVD-A signals.

I am using Denon Link.

Anyone have settings with the above equipment. I have no problem with a BD30 blu-ray player or Toshiba HD XA2 for detecting native audio (Dobly TruHD or DTS Master) When I put in Fleetwood Mac's Rumors I don't even have the option of multichannel.

Is the 3910 showing that it's outputting 5 channels but the avr is not getting an input?

I am using Denon Link.Well, without all the details it's tough to do a full diagnostic, but I'll try.

I have a 3808, so I'll assume the set-up menu is similar to your 4308. (I'm also assuming you have upgraded the firmware of the 3910, so it now shows Denon Link 3).

Go into the GUI of the AVR, and select the source you have assigned for the 3910. Make the following settings:

HDMI: Assign the correct # to the corresponding input for the 3910, (I am assuming you also have an HDMI cable going into the AVR from the 3910 in order to view the set-up menu on DVD-Audio discs).

Digital: "D-Link"

Input Mode: "Digital"

Decode Mode: "Auto"

Other Menu: Video Select - Select whatever your named source is for the 3910.

You should now be able to play CD, SACD, and DVD-A, with all sound sent via D-Link.

Hope this helps.

Well, without all the details it's tough to do a full diagnostic, but I'll try.

I have a 3808, so I'll assume the set-up menu is similar to your 4308. (I'm also assuming you have upgraded the firmware of the 3910, so it now shows Denon Link 3).

Go into the GUI of the AVR, and select the source you have assigned for the 3910. Make the following settings:

HDMI: Assign the correct # to the corresponding input for the 3910, (I am assuming you also have an HDMI cable going into the AVR from the 3910 in order to view the set-up menu on DVD-Audio discs).

Digital: "D-Link"

Input Mode: "Digital"

Decode Mode: "Auto"

Other Menu: Video Select - Select whatever your named source is for the 3910.

You should now be able to play CD, SACD, and DVD-A, with all sound sent via D-Link.

Hope this helps.

I have set up the 4308 to your parameters. Here is what I see:

DVD:Denon Link
Dolby Digital

Input indicators show 5.1 being received
Output shows 5.1

There are audio dropouts tho.

When I put in the Fleetwood disc it still doesn't give me an option for multichannel. Options are:
Playlist
Making of Rumors
Credits

When I had this hooked up to my Denon 3806 it definitely gave me an option for multichannel.

The audio dropouts are frequent for this disc.

Thanks for your help. This is a close as I have got to multichannel. Before it was just stereo through the 4308 input indicators. I am using Denon Link 3 for audio and HDMI for video.

What is frustrating is I have my Panny BD30 and Tosh XA2 decoding all the advanced audio codecs through the 4308.

I have set up the 4308 to your parameters. Here is what I see:

DVD:Denon Link
Dolby Digital

Input indicators show 5.1 being received
Output shows 5.1

There are audio dropouts tho.

When I put in the Fleetwood disc it still doesn't give me an option for multichannel. Options are:
Playlist
Making of Rumors
Credits

On the 3910 in the set up menu go to the "etc." tab. Change the setting from video to audio (you can't have a disc in tray when you do this). See if that works.

Do you have any other SACD disc you can try?

On the 3910 in the set up menu go to the "etc." tab. Change the setting from video to audio (you can't have a disc in tray when you do this). See if that works.

Do you have any other SACD disc you can try?

Between you and BuckNaked you guys are awesome. Thank you so much. This was driving me nuts.

I have been thinking about starting a thread about guys here that are so helpful. So far Filmmixer, Shamus, BuckNaked and you are on the top.

Well, without all the details it's tough to do a full diagnostic, but I'll try.

I have a 3808, so I'll assume the set-up menu is similar to your 4308. (I'm also assuming you have upgraded the firmware of the 3910, so it now shows Denon Link 3).

Go into the GUI of the AVR, and select the source you have assigned for the 3910. Make the following settings:

HDMI: Assign the correct # to the corresponding input for the 3910, (I am assuming you also have an HDMI cable going into the AVR from the 3910 in order to view the set-up menu on DVD-Audio discs).

Digital: "D-Link"

Input Mode: "Digital"

Decode Mode: "Auto"

Other Menu: Video Select - Select whatever your named source is for the 3910.

You should now be able to play CD, SACD, and DVD-A, with all sound sent via D-Link.

Hope this helps. See my last post. Between you two guys problem solved.

Thanks again! This is what AVS is all about. Format wars be damned. Also audio drops are gone.

See my last post. Between you two guys problem solved.

Thanks again! This is what AVS is all about. Format wars be damned. Also audio drops are gone.Yup, you've got to have that puppy set as DVD-Audio for primary, or it will recognize the disc as a DVD by default.

That is great news, glad to be of help!

Here's hoping that SACD and DVD-A have a huge revival in '08.

Hi everyone. I have a question about what I still think, despite the advent of Blu-Ray and it's paltry title selection, is a phenomenal DVD player. I recently programmed a Harmony 890 pro to control all of my components. My 3910 is hooked up via HDMI to one display, and component (via switcher) to another. Since the 3910 cannot output HDMI and component at the same time, is there any way to set a command so that the HDMI Select is off when I'm using one TV, and is set to output HDMI signals when watching it on the other (via one of my activity macros?) Basically, I guess what I'm asking is, is there a discrete code for the HDMI select options?

Here's hoping that SACD and DVD-A have a huge revival in '08.

Not likely. Will be succeeded by Blu-ray. Case in point, Neil Young's announcement this week:

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=1273

Here's hoping that SACD and DVD-A have a huge revival in '08.

Here's hoping that SACD and DVD-A have a huge revival in '08.

Using an Avia test DVD, I recently discovered that when I play phase test signals through the 3910's 5.1 analog outputs, the left front speaker is out of phase with the right front speaker, out of phase with the center channel, and out of phase with the left surround speaker (which is a monopole, by the way). However, all of the speakers are properly in phase when I play the same test signals through the digital coax output, and the fronts are also in phase through the 2-channel analog outputs.

I won't bore everyone with the details of how I isolated the problem, but suffice it to say that the problem is happening inside the 3910, and not in my interconnects or in my DVR.

So here's my question: Is there a simple and inexpensive way to reverse the phase of the 3910's front left-channel output? My 3910 is out of warranty and I don't want to send it to Denon if I can avoid it (and I don't solder).

I know that the simplest thing to do would be to reverse the speaker cables to the left front speaker, but then I'd always have to use the analog outputs (since then the digital output would be out of phase, which eliminates my ability to use the room correction feature in my AVR.

Recently I was shifting my Denon 3910 DVD Player while it was switched on and experienced a mild electric shock as I was holding the metallic base of the Player. Used a test pen and found that it was lighted when it touches the metallic base.

Is this normal and if it is not, what is the problem and the solution?

Thanks.:(

Recently I was shifting my Denon 3910 DVD Player while it was switched on and experienced a mild electric shock as I was holding the metallic base of the Player. Used a test pen and found that it was lighted when it touches the metallic base.

Is this normal and if it is not, what is the problem and the solution?

Thanks.:(

It's definitely not normal to get a shock from any audio equipment at any time, on or off. If you are asking this question, my guess is that you don't have the knowledge to diagnose and repair it (I don't either). For the sake of your own safety, stop using the 3910 and take it for repair.

My 3910 just randomly stopped playing redbook cds. It is still playing sacd and dvd-a just fine. The screen flashes "loading" for an abnormal amount of time, then the time shows all zeros like there is no info on the disc. Pushing buttons does nothing. I've tried multiple cds and it does the same thing.

Again, sacds or dvd-a discs are working well. Does it use a separate laser for redbook?

My 3910 just randomly stopped playing redbook cds. It is still playing sacd and dvd-a just fine. The screen flashes "loading" for an abnormal amount of time, then the time shows all zeros like there is no info on the disc. Pushing buttons does nothing. I've tried multiple cds and it does the same thing.

Again, sacds or dvd-a discs are working well. Does it use a separate laser for redbook?

I think you need to go to the "etc" tab in the setup menu and check the audio settings.

So what should the settings be?

My 3910 just randomly stopped playing redbook cds. It is still playing sacd and dvd-a just fine. The screen flashes "loading" for an abnormal amount of time, then the time shows all zeros like there is no info on the disc. Pushing buttons does nothing. I've tried multiple cds and it does the same thing.

This sounds familiar... This started happening with my 3910 for some discs. Then some more. And after a while not a single redbook disc redbook would play. It was the laser assembly which had to be replaced.

I must say I've never had so much trouble with any audio device that I've had with my 3910. The quality of Denon products seems to be just pure crap.

....I must say I've never had so much trouble with any audio device that I've had with my 3910. The quality of Denon products seems to be just pure crap.

Fwiw, I have had my DVD-3910 for almost 4 years and play it every day and have had no problems. I also own a DVD-2910 along with 3 Denon AVRs and outside of their Remote Controls I have noticed no quality control issues.

My 3910 just randomly stopped playing redbook cds. It is still playing sacd and dvd-a just fine. The screen flashes "loading" for an abnormal amount of time, then the time shows all zeros like there is no info on the disc. Pushing buttons does nothing. I've tried multiple cds and it does the same thing.

Again, sacds or dvd-a discs are working well. Does it use a separate laser for redbook?

I've exactly the same problem. Seemed to coincide with the last FW update but I can't say for sure. SACD and DVD play fine but not normal CD's

I haven't updated the firmware or anything. Should I try that? I am brand new to this player so I am not up to speed on the issues the firmware updates address. The denon website mentions that their latest firmware on the site allows for denon link 3. I have that on my player menu so does that mean I have the latest firmware?

I The denon website mentions that their latest firmware on the site allows for denon link 3. I have that on my player menu so does that mean I have the latest firmware?

I think so...

So what should the settings be?

Try changing the "player mode" from video to audio.

I must say I've never had so much trouble with any audio device that I've had with my 3910. The quality of Denon products seems to be just pure crap.

Thank you for your one person survey.

My 14 year old Denon DCM-444 CD Changer is still going strong along with my 3910 and 4806.

I checked that yesterday and it was on audio. I will check again to make sure. I easily could have changed it. The only reason I was looking though was because it stopped playing. We'll see though.

So does anyone know if there is a different laser assembly for different discs. Or does the laser focus on a different area depending on the disc?

Thank you for your one person survey.

My 14 year old Denon DCM-444 CD Changer is still going strong along with my 3910 and 4806.

I have had a 3910 since they first came out over here...... never had even a minor issue with it. It still looks and sounds magnificent and has had heaps of use too

After I re-initialized my player for reasons described in an earlier post, I noticed some very odd behavior. First, there was almost no sound from the surround channels coming from the analog outputs. Second, I could not get any sound at all from my digital output (coax). Third, many of the menu options in the Denon setup screens were grayed out, such as the ability to change rating levels (a feature I've never used) what color the "wallpaper" was to be, and others.

I could not figure out what happened... I then turned on DenonLink 3 on my Denon AVR to see if I could get digital sound, then turned on Denon Link 3 on my 3910. The digital sound then worked fine, and the menu items were all selectable. I reverted back to my original digital connection (coax). Now the coaxial output was working, surround sound was also fine using the analog outputs, and the 3910's setup menus were as normal.

So can anyone explain what might have happened here, and why turning on DLink and then turning it off again fixed this odd state of affairs???

I have had a 3910 since they first came out over here...... never had even a minor issue with it. It still looks and sounds magnificent and has had heaps of use too

Well, good for you. Mine was repaired three times during the 12 month period after purchasing the player - and every time for different reasons... So, when I compare the quality of the player to any other audio device I've owned during last 20 years this has been absolutelly the worst. For me that tells a lot of the quality..

Well, good for you. Mine was repaired three times during the 12 month period after purchasing the player - and every time for different reasons... So, when I compare the quality of the player to any other audio device I've owned during last 20 years this has been absolutelly the worst. For me that tells a lot of the quality..

...and I saw a Roll's Royce broken down the other day too. *hit happens and its always possible to get a 'bad' one of anything. Sorry you had your problems! In my case its been the most reliable 'player' of any that I have owned.

Well, good for you. Mine was repaired three times during the 12 month period after purchasing the player - and every time for different reasons... So, when I compare the quality of the player to any other audio device I've owned during last 20 years this has been absolutelly the worst. For me that tells a lot of the quality..

Then perhaps you should have stated that the quality of "MY" Denon product is crap rather than your blanket statement.

Then perhaps you should have stated that the quality of "MY" Denon product is crap rather than your blanket statement.
Agreed. The blanket statement was based on only a single data point. The only prediction you can make from that data point is that the person who made the statement won't be buying Denon equipment any more. I'm not seeing any general outcry concerning the reliability of Denon products here or anywhere else.
Now, when I had a Fiat (briefly) and everyone told me that FIAT was an acronym for "fix it again, Tony," that was a different story...:)

Everybody chill. He has had a bad experience and thinks that denon makes crap. Okay. He can have his opinion if he wants and there is no sense in arguing with anyone about it.

I came home today and tried to play the cd layer of one of my SACDs and it worked just fine. Double checked all of my settings on the player and then tried a redbood cd and it worked! Yay for me but I definitely have no idea why it didn't work the other day.

Any ideas left?

For what it's worth (single data point!) I bought mine new when they first came out and have never had any problems. Also own two Denon receivers and again, no problems.

It's definitely not normal to get a shock from any audio equipment at any time, on or off. If you are asking this question, my guess is that you don't have the knowledge to diagnose and repair it (I don't either). For the sake of your own safety, stop using the 3910 and take it for repair.

Found it! Wrong polarity at the power point connection for some of the equipment due to house shifting...All solved...

Denon 3910 had a number of problems after a couple of yrs. First, DVI-out stopped working, then transport. Because we are not yet excited about quality of Blu Ray players, we decided to send from CA to the Denon NJ facility - for real molasses service. They charge to look and either dispose or apply toward service. Took over a month for them to contact me that they had looked at it - and that only after struggling to get in touch with them by phone. Took another week or so to get them to confirm that they would fix both problems with their quote, and could only get an email about that. Another few weeks to get it shipped back, after they mis-noted my cc info and needed to verify again. Fortunately, my laptop is doing the job in the mean time, albeit without remote control or optimum sound. Should be here today. Will post if not working well.

Denon 3910 had a number of problems after a couple of yrs. First, DVI-out stopped working, then transport. Because we are not yet excited about quality of Blu Ray players, we decided to send from CA to the Denon NJ facility - for real molasses service. They charge to look and either dispose or apply toward service. Took over a month for them to contact me that they had looked at it - and that only after struggling to get in touch with them by phone. Took another week or so to get them to confirm that they would fix both problems with their quote, and could only get an email about that. Another few weeks to get it shipped back, after they mis-noted my cc info and needed to verify again. Fortunately, my laptop is doing the job in the mean time, albeit without remote control or optimum sound. Should be here today. Will post if not working well.

Sorry to hear that. I would PM DenonJeff about my experience.

I recently watched the DVD of "Persepolis," which I thought was excellent. My question is a technical one: Why would this DVD's menus (PLAY, CHAPTERS, SPECIAL FEATURES) display in Spanish rather than English? I have an American-purchased (region 1) DVD player, bought new from an authorized dealer. The player's SETUP screens show English as the language for menus.

This is the only DVD where this has ever happened, and I've owned the machine for nearly two years. When I put this disc in my PC's DVD drive, the menus were in English. There is no option on the disc itself for selecting the language. Any idea why this might have happened?

So far, so good... DVI and (obviously), transport working. Firmware updated. $300 and a TWO MONTH turn around.

I have 3910 hooked to a Denon 3805 over component. As I understand 3910 doesnt upscale in this case. I tried connecting my projector directly to 3910 via HDMI and set it to upscale. I cant notice any difference in picture quality which was surprising.

May be I am doing something wrong. Any ideas?

What kind of projector?

The non-crt projectors, like flat pannel tv's, all have a fixed native resolution, be it 720 or 1080. (Always p on a non-crt), They convert whatever signal you send them to their native resolution.

When you send 480 from the Denon or 1080 or 720 from the Denon, it always displays in the native resolution of the projector. It is just a question where it is upscaled.

Allen

What kind of projector?

The non-crt projectors, like flat pannel tv's, all have a fixed native resolution, be it 720 or 1080. (Always p on a non-crt), They convert whatever signal you send them to their native resolution.

When you send 480 from the Denon or 1080 or 720 from the Denon, it always displays in the native resolution of the projector. It is just a question where it is upscaled.

Allen
I'm using a Sim2 HT300 projector. It is a DLP projector.
So I guess the upscaling abilities are about the same in my projector and DVD player.

Thanks for the explanation.