smreed32, on the front panel, you have to push 2 little buttons to set it to DVI out at 720p resolution (buton 1 for the DVI, and button 2 for the resolution).

am I the only one here with an HDMI connection?

I've got one on my Tosh DLP.

Originally posted by Dave Vaughn
With a CRT TV, you don't want to use RGB anyway. To be able to use the enhanced black on the Yb Cy Rb is a flaw in the player, it isn't supposed to be available on that output. That is why there is a firmware fix for it.

My previous post has been misunderstood. If you check it I say that I don't use RGB over HDMI for the very reason that I have a direct view CRT.

However I did state that I believed that before the v. -8 firmware I was able to switch between normal and enhanced black over HDMI using Yb Cy Rb and see a noticeable difference switching between the two. With the new firmware that is no longer the case. Switching between normal and enhanced over HDMI using Yb Cy Rb has no effect at all. To me that is a step backward in the firmware.

BigAl

Al,
The point of the firmware upgrade was the remove that feature since it wasn't supposed to be there in the first place. Over RGB, it is supposed to have an effect because it changes the black level of the player to PC levels from DVD levels (which are different). So it isn't a step backwards just because it is taken away. It allows people to "properly" set up the player with their particular display.

Dave

Originally posted by smreed32
Thanks mismatched. My Sammy doesn't have an HDMI port, so I will have to use DVI only. I am going to pick up a DVI cable soon and give it a try.

Scott

go with Bluejeans or RAM for your DVI cable. The good price on the Monster via Ebuyer is no longer there.

Originally posted by Dave Vaughn
Al,
The point of the firmware upgrade was the remove that feature since it wasn't supposed to be there in the first place.
Dave

Thanks for the clarification Dave.

BigAl

No problem Al.

What is the latest firmware mod (7? 8?) that is available for downloading somewhere that also includes the All-region/rce defeat feature or hack?

T.B.

Dear Thread

so what is the consensus on reinitializing after installing firmware update -8? There is as mentioned in this thread nothing on reinitializing in the directions (unless if one follows the directions precisely a renitialization is "included"!).

I just received the -8 update CD and want to do this correctly! Are people reinitilizing after following the update instructions?? And if so how do you reinitialize anyway??

thanks

mismatched

Originally posted by mismatched
Dear Thread

so what is the consensus on reinitializing after installing firmware update -8? There is as mentioned in this thread nothing on reinitializing in the directions (unless if one follows the directions precisely a renitialization is "included"!).

I just received the -8 update CD and want to do this correctly! Are people reinitilizing after following the update instructions?? And if so how do you reinitialize anyway??

thanks

mismatched

I've been using -8 for about a week now with no initialization and I don't see any functionality issues. Personally, I don't want to go trough the hassle of resetting all the parameters again, call me lazy I can take it. :p

As far as the instructions, you get them when you download the firmware image from the Denon website.

so what is the consensus on reinitializing after installing firmware update -8?
I e-mailed Denon about this and this was their reply:

"I haven't TESTED this scenario, but I see no reason that you would have to do steps 3 and 4. Discussing this with another tech here, neither of us are certain if your settings will have survived through the update. They may have, because they reside in a MEMORY section. The file we are replacing through the update, is most likely separate from that memory area.

Worst case is you would have to do steps 3 and 4 (Do NOT repeat 1 & 2) after testing your machine. If you have lots of settings you don't want to lose, the best thing is to write down all your settings on paper BEFORE running the update.

But remember, this specific update is AFFECTING BLACK LEVEL, so for maximum performance you probably SHOULD make some minor tweaks in your settings.

Regards,

Richard "Tony" Hartin
Home Audio Product Specialist
Sales Customer Service
Denon Electronics USA Inc."

Apparently, they're not too sure either...:D

Jason

Jason, thanks for posting that. My 3910 is ready for me to pick up at Tweeter so I will do the upgrade before I even start to mess with any settings. Then it won't matter if I do go ahead and re-initialize.

Worst case is you would have to do steps 3 and 4 (Do NOT repeat 1 & 2) after testing your machine. If you have lots of settings you don't want to lose, the best thing is to write down all your settings on paper BEFORE running the update.
I had lots of speaker and video settings in my 3910 prior to the -8 upgrade. I wrote them down, reinitialized the player and re-entered them. Total elapsed time was about 10 minutes. Hardly a daunting task. Like we don't all enjoy tinkering with our systems anyways????

yeah now I have talked with Tony at Denon. He was honest and stated that they had not "A/B"'d with and without reinitializing after installing firmware update -8 for the 3910. He recommended that I install w/o reinitializing and see how I like the PQ. He suggested that I switch back and forth between IRE=1 and =7.5 and again make a choice. He further suggested that I play with the "gamma" if I had the courage.

His final message was that if I had not done a great deal of tweaking previously to reinitialize and go from there. Why? Because that is what one would do if one was buying a 3910 made in the last couple weeks, ie that had -8...

He also patiently explained the procedure for reinitializing and pointed me toward the instructions for tweaking "gamma".

Ah, sigh I feel a bit more confident and will likely do the simple install first and appraise with and w/o the adjustments mentioned above. And it become overconfident I will do the reinitializing and start over! :)

mismatched

PS thanks swatter and Tony!

Interested in purchasing the 3910 but need to know if I will be able to stack another component directly on top. Where are the air vents on top? Along the edges only??

This may seem like a stupid question, but I can't for the life of me figure it out. Is there a way for the display on the 3910 to indicate total time remaining without that same information showing up in the on-screen display window on my TV? I can use the Display button on the remote to view the total time remaining, but in order to get that information off my TV screen I have to cycle through all the information screens and then the display on the 3910 is back to showing elapsed time again.

Before the -8 Firmware my 3910 would occasionally lose voice sync if I fast forwarded or reversed DVD+R discs recorded from my DVD Recorder. Since -8 I can't get it to lose voice sync no matter how hard I try, so there is at least one fix present in -8 that's not covered in the docs describing it.

Originally posted by nhey
Interested in purchasing the 3910 but need to know if I will be able to stack another component directly on top. Where are the air vents on top? Along the edges only??

Depends what you want to put on top.

The vents are along the far left side of the top of the unit. I have a Motorola 6412 HD-PVR on top and just nudged it slightly to give those vents a breath of fresh air. I wouldn't put a receiver or anything huge or very heavy on it, on principle.
m

mismatched, Are you talking about the instructions to reset all settings to factory preset on page 79 of the manual as being re-initializing? That's the only place I could find anything about it.

nhey, there are vents about 1" wide along the back and left side of the top.

Jazzcat

Yes, pg 79, near bottom of page. (And make sure there is no disk in the unit)

And thanks for mentioning there are also vents on the top/back of the unit.

Originally posted by mismatched
yeah now I have talked with Tony at Denon. He was honest and stated that they had not "A/B"'d with and without reinitializing after installing firmware update -8 for the 3910. He recommended that I install w/o reinitializing and see how I like the PQ. He suggested that I switch back and forth between IRE=1 and =7.5 and again make a choice.

His final message was that if I had not done a great deal of tweaking previously to reinitialize and go from there. Why? Because that is what one would do if one was buying a 3910 made in the last couple weeks, ie that had -8...

He also patiently explained the procedure for reinitializing and pointed me toward the instructions for tweaking "gamma", although because I use HDMI output the gamma correction will have no effect (at least according to the manual).

Ah, sigh I feel a bit more confident and will likely do the simple install first and appraise with and w/o the adjustments mentioned above. And it become overconfident I will do the reinitializing and start over! :)

mismatched

PS thanks swatter and Tony!

Thanks, mismatched. Just exchanged the 2910 and will download the upgrade at work so when I get it home I can install. This thing has quite a bit more heft than the 2910!

and wait till you listen to a good SACD or watch "Fifth Element"!! Ahhh, WOW!!

Originally posted by K_Thompson
Is there a way for the display on the 3910 to indicate total time remaining without that same information showing up in the on-screen display window on my TV?
I'm not positive, but isn't there an OSD option within the setup menu for the 3910? I'm at work now and can't check, but I'm pretty sure the option is there to turn off the OSD and only have the info displayed on the front panel of the 3910.

Jason

Originally posted by mismatched
and wait till you listen to a good SACD... Oh yeah, like Beck's "Sea Change" or Pink Floyd's "DSOTM"...and to think that Genesis's "Lamb Lies Down on Broadway" is coming in April (craps self). The audio section of the 3910 never ceases to amaze me! :D

Jason

Originally posted by JasonColeman
I'm not positive, but isn't there an OSD option within the setup menu for the 3910? I'm at work now and can't check, but I'm pretty sure the option is there to turn off the OSD and only have the info displayed on the front panel of the 3910.

Jason

I'm at work also, so I can't verify that. But thanks for the suggestion. I'll check it out when I get home tonight. I just got the player on the 5th and I haven't really had the time to go through all the setup options.

Originally posted by JasonColeman
Oh yeah, like Beck's "Sea Change" or Pink Floyd's "DSOTM"...and to think that Genesis's "Lamb Lies Down on Broadway" is coming in April (craps self). The audio section of the 3910 never ceases to amaze me! :D

Jason

You mean Jeff Beck? :D ;)

I have all of the above and more! I am looking forward to listening using Source Direct On on the 3910, Pure Direct Ext In on the 3805 and unleashing 1400 watts of 5.1 bliss :D :D

I want to go home...

Originally posted by mismatched
Depends what you want to put on top.

The vents are along the far left side of the top of the unit. I have a Motorola 6412 HD-PVR on top and just nudged it slightly to give those vents a breath of fresh air. I wouldn't put a receiver or anything huge or very heavy on it, on principle.
m


Thanks. That's EXACTLY what I want to do - put my 6412 on top of it - just what I was hoping for.

Originally posted by JasonColeman
Oh yeah, like Beck's "Sea Change" or Pink Floyd's "DSOTM"...and to think that Genesis's "Lamb Lies Down on Broadway" is coming in April (craps self). The audio section of the 3910 never ceases to amaze me! :D

Jason

Really? The Lamb? Oooooooooooo! (craps self, too)

Originally posted by Engine Joe
Really? The Lamb? Oooooooooooo! (craps self, too)

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=488051
Genesis 5.1 Mixes - AVS Forum

Any issues or procedures/formats for downloading the firmware from DFenon's site? I just noticed Denon says you only get one shot...

Thanks in advance.

Originally posted by jazzcat
Any issues or procedures/formats for downloading the firmware from DFenon's site? I just noticed Denon says you only get one shot...

Thanks in advance.

No problems here, follow the burning instruction that are accompanied with the software exactly, I used NERO to burn the image.
Worked like a charm. :D

Their PDF instructions are easy to follow. Burn the CD with the lowest possible write-speed your program allows; and the rest is very easy.

Thanks for the info on the download. I'll have the better half do it while I hook up the player.

So what is the gamma settings or tweaks that Tony was talking about?

Originally posted by maxvengeance111
So what is the gamma settings or tweaks that Tony was talking about?

He did not state specifically. but as clearly stated in the manual, pg 52 if I recall correctly, adjusting the gamma is not an option (doesn't do anything) if you using DVI or HDMI (which I am) video output. He did not mention this stipulation on the phone.

so one less thing to "worry" about and instead just enjoy the machine!! :)

I am not using DVI or HDMI so I was curious.

then call Denon and ask for Tony. He is very patient and helpful.

Download was successful. So does this include all the other firmware upgrades prior to version ESS-6609-8?

I don't think it matters Jazzcat, flashing with -8 will write the EPROM with the machine code for that version and it doens't matter what previos version you had in there. Whether you had -2, -5 or whatever is completely meaningless to the new code I believe.

Anyone ???

Badabbing, you are probably right. Or they would have all previous downloads as well.

OK, just to confirm what all of you know already. I got the audio tweaked and I am still having to pick my jaw off the floor. :D Having owned the 2910 for almost 4 months, I have been missing out! I can't even begin to describe the incredible improvement in audio. In the short time I have had to listen tonight I have to say there is no comparison. I have heard things that I have never heard before. I was right there with the musicians. What claritry and soundstage! My wife asked me if I need to change my underwear :D

You get what you pay for...

Originally posted by maxvengeance111
So what is the gamma settings or tweaks that Tony was talking about?

don't know what Tony was saying, but you may wanna try my tweaks and see if you like the result:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=5023687#post5023687

:cool:

do people agree with the manual that gamma does nothing with an HDMI or DVI connection to the display???

Dude, thanks for the help, but I am not using the hdmi or dvi. I was wondering about gamma settings. Also I dont understand your settings. Why do you have two different settings. Maybe I dont understand but I thought your player should be set once for all movies...not different settings for light and dark movies.

Originally posted by maxvengeance111
Dude, thanks for the help, but I am not using the hdmi or dvi. I was wondering about gamma settings. Also I dont understand your settings. Why do you have two different settings. Maybe I dont understand but I thought your player should be set once for all movies...not different settings for light and dark movies.

you have 5 modes you can save up to for adjustments....I actually have 3 different settings now, and when I watch a movie, I usually flip between the 3 on the fly (takes just a couple of seconds ;) ) and then decide which one looks the best for that movie.

I have noticed that for darker movies the first setup seemed better, whereas the lighter brighter movies, the 2nd was best...


that;s the flexibility you have with the 3910 :cool:

Originally posted by ssabripo
you have 5 modes you can save up to for adjustments....I actually have 3 different settings now, and when I watch a movie, I usually flip between the 3 on the fly (takes just a couple of seconds ;) ) and then decide which one looks the best for that movie.

I have noticed that for darker movies the first setup seemed better, whereas the lighter brighter movies, the 2nd was best...


that;s the flexibility you have with the 3910 :cool:

I thought about doing this for old movies (black and white) and color. Seems reasonable enough.

Will try it tonight. Thanks for the tip.

I thought the whole point in calibrating your set was to have a standard viewing setting for movies. Doesnt make sense to have two or three different looks...if the movies are all ntsc. Maybe I am confused

I have a Denon DVD3910 that I am connecting its DVI-D output to the DVDO HD+'s DVI-I input. And connecting the HD+'s VGA output to the VGA input of the Panasonic PHD7.

When I play Star Wars 'The Empire Strikes Back' for example, I switch the 3910 to output DVI 576P into the HD+. What I get on the PHD7 is that it will show two seconds of film and then it turns to the blue screen although audio is ok.

As I read on the DVDO HD+ FAQ section, it says that the HD+ will output a HDCP signal only on its DVI output. The DVD I am playing is Copy Protected. Is this the same as HDCP??

Also, when I put in DVE (Digital Video Essentials), I get the same issue.

Am I missing something here? I want to get VGA output (HD+) from a DVI input (3910) via HD+ into the PHD7. Short of using a Panny DVI board, what's the best way to doing this?

Originally posted by maxvengeance111
I thought the whole point in calibrating your set was to have a standard viewing setting for movies. Doesnt make sense to have two or three different looks...if the movies are all ntsc. Maybe I am confused

Why would you watch a movie like Casablanca in the same D65 colorspace as a newer movie like The Fifth Element? Of course you wouldn't, because older black and whites are made in a warmer colorspace than D65.

Maybe someone with more technical lingo will be able to shed light on what I'm saying. But I think I pretty much summed it up, AFAIK.

Originally posted by Engine Joe
Really? The Lamb? Oooooooooooo! (craps self, too)
Check it out...

http://www.highfidelityreview.com/news/news.asp?newsnumber=14866114

Jason

My first tv we calibrated by ISF and he told me it should be the same for all movies. Thats why I was asking.

Hi
I'm a new member and is very happy to join you all...
I recently bought the Denon 3910 recently during a trip to Asia and have been following the different upgrades available through this forum. Unfortunately for me Denon is not represented in my country ( Mauritius ) and upgrade is impossible here.
I earnestly request any member who has the upgrade to download it to me via my mail add callooreza@hotmail.com
I have learny through this forum that the latest ugrade is -8 and I'm still at -3. Thank you.
Reza

Originally posted by REZA
I earnestly request any member who has the upgrade to download it to me via my mail...
I e-mailed the files to you. You can also find them at Denon's website (www.usa.denon.com).

Jason

Jason

Thank you very much. I have not received them yet. I have tried before at Denon's website but thr serial # I entered was refused since my set was bought in Asia.
Anyway, I hope that this will fix the problems mentioned throughout the forum especially the green push on progressive scan . Have you been able to fix them?
Also do you know if the upgrades are cumulative?
Thanks

Reza

REZA, will hotmail allow a file of that size? I think it is around 1.4MB zipped.

I asked earlier if upgrades were cumulative but only got one reply. I assume so as you can't get any other version except -8 now.

When you update the eprom it writes a new image, it completely replaces the image that was there before. Therefore the question as to whether it includes previous revisions is yes, as the act of replacing the image would not only undo the previous updates, but replaces the base code as well. It is very similar to replacing a bios on a computer.

Allen

Jazzcat, do you have another idea to let me have the upgrades?
Anyway we can try by e-mail. Thank you very much.

Hello all!

I went to the Denon site and entered my DVD-3910 info, including serial #. I received the -8 firmware update shortly afterwards (less than a week) and the update went fine.

Question: Am I now "subscribed" to any and all future firmware updates from Denon? In other words, when -9, -10, etc are released, will I automatically receive them from Denon? Or will I have to request them each time they are issued?

Great forum, btw! :cool:

Best,

Doug

Reza, I think hotmail has a 1MB maximunm for attachments. You might try another provider that accepts attachments up to 2MB. Or if you know someone there that can accept it.

Mauritius is a gorgeous place!

djnewlin, I have gotten versions 5, 6, and 8 from their website after entering in my serial # and other info, but was never proactively told about any of them. So, no, I doubt you'll automatically receive anything. I found out about them from the AVS Forum.

Originally posted by BillP
djnewlin, I have gotten versions 5, 6, and 8 from their website after entering in my serial # and other info, but was never proactively told about any of them. So, no, I doubt you'll automatically receive anything. I found out about them from the AVS Forum.

BillP,

Thanks for the tip!

I had a feeling that might be the case... :rolleyes:

Oh well, that just gives me yet another reason to keep up to date on this forum!

Best,

Doug

Can so kind soul email me Version 8 at gatelock2207@yahoo.com.sg

Thank you. :)

You can just download it from the Denon website.

Originally posted by BillP
You can just download it from the Denon website.

Can you give me the direct link. Can't find it. :(

Technic,

Did you receive the upgrade via your e-mail? I have received it since hotmail's attachment is 1MB max while the files are 1.4MB.

Reza

Technic,

Did you receive the upgrades via your e-mail? I didn't received them since hotmail's attachment is 1MB max while the files are 1.4MB.

Reza

Here's the link to the page where you enter the model and serial number.

http://www.usa.denon.com/support/upgrades.asp

I did mine from work and didn't have the s/n handy, so I used the one from the rear photo of the 3910 at their site! :D

http://www.usa.denon.com/catalog/photo.asp?s=home&p=DVD-3910&f=DVD3910S%20Back.jpg&c=4

Works like a champ...at least for now!

Jason

Originally posted by JasonColeman so I used the one from the rear photo of the 3910 at their site! :D


That's too funny...good thinking..:D

Jason,

done exactly as you proposed and download done. Thanks again.

Reza

Originally posted by keenan
That's too funny...good thinking..:D
Necessity once again being the Mother of Invention...or Innovation!:D

Jason

Got a question. I am doing the video adjustments via DVE and I cannot get it to where I can see the outside bars on the PLUGE pattern. I had no problem seeing them and adjusting them out with the 2910.

Sammy DLP via DVI and 3910 set to Normal and 0

Any suggestions?

Jazzcat, same here, except I use "enhanced" black.

Martin, I tried enhansed and every other combination. I even used the THX Optimizer on one of my Star Wars DVD and it looked like crap. The 8 bar brightness setting was a joke. The 2910 did a fantastic job on every test. I think it is going back. One thing I noticed was when I switched to M1 - M5 on picture adjust they were all the same with no adjustments but when I went to STD, the display got much brighter.

Hi jazzcat,

Your situation sounds really weird?
Mine has no issue displaying BTB information and my contranst is fine too.
I am in Australia and am running firmware 5.

What firmware are you running?

J

Originally posted by JasonColeman
Here's the link to the page where you enter the model and serial number.

http://www.usa.denon.com/support/upgrades.asp

I did mine from work and didn't have the s/n handy, so I used the one from the rear photo of the 3910 at their site! :D

http://www.usa.denon.com/catalog/photo.asp?s=home&p=DVD-3910&f=DVD3910S%20Back.jpg&c=4

Works like a champ...at least for now!

Jason

Hi Jason,

I just downloaded the V8. Thanks for your help.

As I don't stay in US, I wonder this firmware V8 be able to play multi-region DVD? As I've several Region 1, 2, 3 and 4 DVDs. Can you please advice? :)

I believe that the most recent region-free firmware was -5, but I don't know for sure. I've heard that another region-free firmware was in the works, but that may just be rumor. If region-free is a must, you may want to stick with -5.

Jason

Jazzcat,

There's got to be something wrong either in the settings or with your 3910 itself...or there's something wrong with the -8 firmware. I installed -8 firmware last week, but haven't been able to use my Avia disc because a friend of mine borrowed it. I did re-initialize my player after installing the new firmware, so I need to go back in and make adjustments when I get my disc back.

Have other users of -8 experienced this problem, too?

Jason

Jason, unfortunately when I picked up the 3910 I upgraded to -8 as soon as I got it home so I can't say what the display looked like beforehand. That's why I would like to get a copy of -5 and run it again.

All settings are identical to the 2910. But I mucked around with every possible setting on the DLP and 3910. In enhanced mode, all 6 vertical stripes disappear from the PLUGE pattern! The overall pattern is a dull grey tint. Very soft as well. There is nothing I can do to see the 2 outside black vertical bars and the 2910 displayed them with ease. :confused:

Hello all~
So Just got my 3910 & will hook it up this weekend to my 3805.
What conections should I use ? DEnon link -Digital Coax-optical OR the 5.1 analogs ?
I do not have much in DVDA or SACD yet so It will be used mostly as a DVD player & to play standerd CDs
Thanks !~

antman, as has been posted in your other thread, use analog outs for CDs (regular and high res) since the 3910 audio DACs are better than those in the 3805. For DVDs, you can use DenonLink.

Originally posted by BillP
antman, as has been posted in your other thread, use analog outs for CDs (regular and high res) since the 3910 audio DACs are better than those in the 3805. For DVDs, you can use DenonLink.

Bill,

I have an Audio Refinement Pre 2DSP pre/pro and was wondering the same thing. Should I use digital coaxial or analog out from the 3910 for CDs?

How do I tell if my Audio Refinement pre/pro has better DACs than my 3910? It cost me $1395, so its not exactly Mark Levinson/Krell territory...

Thanks for any input.

Technic: if you're in Singapore (as your email address suggests), please note that -8 is not region-free. If you have a much older firmware version, call Denon Singapore and they'll send a technician to install version -7 FOC; they will not, however, release a version on CD-ROM to any customer, which is why no one's been able to circulate it around. Version -7 IS region-free, fixes the chroma delay bug, missing DVD-A menus bug and probably several others as well. Not sure what -8 has that -7 doesn't.

If you really want -8, may I suggest to others that they can upload it to yousendit.com, and then send the appropriate link to whoever needs it? (EDIT: Sorry, I see you already have it, but the suggestion still holds for those who still want it, and for those who want to help.)

Originally posted by Rieper
Bill,

I have an Audio Refinement Pre 2DSP pre/pro and was wondering the same thing. Should I use digital coaxial or analog out from the 3910 for CDs?

How do I tell if my Audio Refinement pre/pro has better DACs than my 3910? It cost me $1395, so its not exactly Mark Levinson/Krell territory...

Thanks for any input.

Since I am not familiar with your Audio Refinement, I can't answer. Your manual should state which DACs it has. The best way to know is simply to compare them (digital output versus analog), and then going with whichever sounds best to you. But bear in mind that the audio quality over analogs will depend on the cables used, not just the DACs, so make sure to use decent cables.

Originally posted by BillP
antman, as has been posted in your other thread, use analog outs for CDs (regular and high res) since the 3910 audio DACs are better than those in the 3805. For DVDs, you can use DenonLink.

If you want room equalization which can make a big difference in the sound, moreso than the differences in the DAC between the 3805 and the 3910, you will have to use Denon Link or optical/digital cable to the 3805.

Try it both ways and decide what sounds best to you.

Originally posted by DigiPete
If you want room equalization which can make a big difference in the sound, moreso than the differences in the DAC between the 3805 and the 3910, you will have to use Denon Link or optical/digital cable to the 3805.

Try it both ways and decide what sounds best to you.

The Room-EQ features will work on all the inputs except the Ext-In-Multi-Ch inputs.

and you can use an SLP meter to adjust speaker level for Ext in input and take full advantage of the great DACs on the. Get the SPL meter at Radio Shack. you can generate white noise from the 3910 to each speaker seperately and set your speaker levels to get balance.

more or less: set your DVD input on your 3805 to the Ext in (assuming you have the 6 cables connected :) ), set you master volume to "0". Now go into the Audio adjust section of the set up menu on your 3910 (have your display on to see the actual menus--much better than staring at the front of the 3910!!). choose multi channel, do delay settings, set crossover (60 or 80Hz depending on your preference and or speaker capabilities), then choose channel level and choose manual for generating the test tones (so you have sufficient time to adjust the volume on your 3805 as you cycle thru each speaker). this is all in the manual and explained fairly well. pg 28 for the general schematic, 38-39 for audio adjust stuff.

I set my SPL meter at 80 db and that was my target for the Front L/R and and surround L/R and a bit higher target, 82 db, for the center channel to enhance audibility of dialog for movies. As you cycle through the speaker test tones using your 3910 remote and the onscreen menu you will get white noise from a particular speaker and you simply now adjust the volume on the 3805 using its remote, until the SPL reads a 80 bd signal. Be sure to place the SPL at ear level in your sweet spot in the room. And make sure that your heater or dishwashed or whatever is not on (or your spouse is yelling "Are you messing with that thing again!!!. :) )

Once you have the spl meter and read the relevant part of the 3910 manual and understand the general concept that when using Ext in you are using your 3910 for all audio processing (digital to analog) and "only" using your 3805 for amplification of the analog signal, then all begins to come clear). There are those in the forum that will explain (and understand this stuff) better than I.

FYI when I did this room EQ stuff manually with an Spl meter for Ext in from my 3910 and compared the 3805 Auto Set up Room Eq (as per pathetically described above) the db sets on each speaker were pretty similar between the two although the trend for the Ext In settings was such that lower +db values were necessary for the L/R rear and front speakers to achieve a 80db reading on the meter.

The SPL meter is not used for subwoofer at least not the model I have.

Good luck

mismatched

I downloaded the -8 upgrade version from denon.usa website yesterday.
Instruction followed, burn on cd-r and upgraded my 3910.
This has disabled the MR capabilities of my set. Try hack posted in this forum from Home theater-Forum. Downloaded hack successfully and tried to burn on cd-r with nero..
But when I tried to run the cd-r , it indicates LOADING and then STOP.
Please help to sort this out...

It sounds like you may not have 'finalized' the CD-R. I made that mistake. Try burning again making sure 'multi-session' is not selected and make sure you 'finalize' the CD.

Hope that's of some help

Mismatch,

When I calibrate levels I adjust the 3910 channel level, however, you indicate that you are adjusting the receiver's volume level. Perhaps there is a difference since I have a AVR 4800 receiver?

Another question I have is whether you use A or C weighted readings. I find the C weighted to be easier to work with, particularly since they allow for measuring the sub woofer output. Also, when to use the 10 db bass boost? For DVD, DVD-A, SACD? Whth it turned on my SPL meeter registers 5 db higher for bass over the other channels.

Ian

Bruce,

thank you. Finally I succeed to burn the cd-r and loaded it in the unit.
WRITING appeared in the FL display for 1 min approx. and finished by COMPLETE.
Now try to initialize the unit but does not respond anymore. DVD-3910 kept in the FL display. Any idea?

reza

Originally posted by Ian B
Another question I have is whether you use A or C weighted readings. I find the C weighted to be easier to work with, particularly since they allow for measuring the sub woofer output. Also, when to use the 10 db bass boost? For DVD, DVD-A, SACD? Whth it turned on my SPL meeter registers 5 db higher for bass over the other channels.
Ian

Use C and slow. The whole procedure is spelled out nicely in this Denon tech support document:

http://www.usa.denon.com/catalog/pdfs/5900_3805%20setup%20tips.pdf

The 3910 and 5900 have almost identical menus.

Originally posted by REZA
Now try to initialize the unit but does not respond anymore. DVD-3910 kept in the FL display. Any idea?Did you verify the version yet or did you just try to re-initialize the player. I'd make sure that it properly loaded before re-initializing...no sense in changing all of those settings more than you need to.

Jason

JC-

I've got a zipped copy of -6 waiting for you...PM me your e-mail. I thought you posted it, but I haven't seen it in the last few pages.

Jason

Jason, no difference in pluge. It's quite ugly as a matter of fact! Not even close to BTB.

Thanks for the help to all. Its going back I suppose.

Did Chuck send you -6? No change at all? It would have been interesting to see if you had this problem before installing -8 or if somehow -8 is affecting your machine. We'll keep an eye on that 'ish.

Too bad if it means returning your 3910. That sucks...:(

Jason

Yes, -6. So -8 wasn't the issue. Something else is in play here. I should take a pic of the display. Bad news!

I will get a replacement, and if they still have my 2910 I will hook it back up just to verify. I want thw 3910. The audio is supreb!

Originally posted by jazzcat
Jason, no difference in pluge. It's quite ugly as a matter of fact! Not even close to BTB.

Thanks for the help to all. Its going back I suppose.

Don't imagine that yours is an isolated case--I can't get my 3910 to pass BTB through the analog outputs, and there are at least one or two other posts upthread from people with similar problems. It would appear that there's a whole batch of 3910s affected by this issue, and I'm surprised (and disappointed) that Denon doesn't seem to even acknowlege the situation, let alone offer any sort of fix.

(And yes, I have tried the -8 firmware, with no joy.)

--Paul Curtis

Paul, my 2910 passed BTB effortlessly. The 3910 should too. This is unacceptable. I'm going to try to get my 2910 back tomorrow and do a quick hook up just to verify it's not my DLP.

If there's a batch affected by this, I know there are those that can pass BTB with no problem. I would question my display but I had no issues with the 2910.

For those who are interested, I will be testing from an Audiophiles point of View the Sound Quality of...

The DAC's in the...

Denon 3910
Denon 3805
Benchmark DAC 1

I will post my results on Sunday!

Goodie....

Also, I'm getting a 3910!

I just have to decide:

A) Wait til June, by the HDTV, then the player
B) Buy player first and use with 24" for now.

- D

Buy the TV before the player. The TV will benefit you more anyway! 24" is WAY too small!

Dave

I'm certainly interested in the 3910 & 3805 from an audiophiles perspective. I purchased a 3910 to replace my Sony 755V/Panasonic XP50 combo, and I find it a huge improvement musically over those components. Basically I have settled in on using the 3805 via digital for movies, and some CD's, and the 3910 via analog 5.1 out in Source Direct mode for SACD's/DVD-A's and some CD's. I find for high resolution source material the audio section on the 3910 seems to do a much nicer job(when in source direct mode), but for movies and some CD's I prefer the auto-Room-EQ that the 3805 brings.

When I use the 5.1 Ext. In on the 3805 I always use direct or pure direct modes of the 3805, and make sure room eq for direct mode is off. I believe room-EQ is always off and direct mode always on when you use the Ext Inputs, but I like to make sure. If you have the 3805 do room-EQ etc on its analog inputs, I'm pretty sure it re-digitizes the analog signal (at 24/192 I wonder?) then does the balance/EQ stuff digitally, then does another D/A conversion on output. So if you plan on using any EQ/distance/balance processing features of the 3805, it's best to use a digital input to avoid and extra D/A conversion.

Originally posted by SOWK
For those who are interested, I will be testing from an Audiophiles point of View the Sound Quality of...

The DAC's in the...

Denon 3910
Denon 3805
Benchmark DAC 1

I will post my results on Sunday!

Looking forward to what you find!

Hi esteemed gentlemen, (& ladies - are there any on AVS?)

I would like to mention edge enhancement.
Does the 3910 have a default built in amount of edge enhancement on all the time that you can not turn off?
Am I noticing the EE on the actual disc?
I just watched 'The Punisher' and the last sceen was a doozy.
Very clear EE under the silhouetted bridge.
I seem to notice it more than on my Pioneer 667A (aussie version of your 563A).
I am projecting a 100inch 16:9 image with a PJTX100 connected by DVI.
Has anyone else noticed this or is it remedied in a newer firmware update?

Interested to hear the members thoughts,

J

Kris Deering told me that none of the Faroudja "enhancers" are turned on by default... I´d guess your seeing edge enhancement that´s on the disc. I notice DVD artifacts that I didn´t see on my old pio737, simply because the 3910 picture is sharper/better.

You´re not using the vertical/horizontal enhancers are you? With my setup I only need one click on the vertical enhancer and it introduces a whole heap of artifacts.

Has anyone else realized that when you go into picture adjust and set IRE from the default value of 7.5 to 0, it is only set for M1 - M5 and if you go back to STD, it automatically defaults back to 7.5 at that setting?

Maybe I'm just slow to catch that...

Can anyone confirm? When I set it to 0 and toggle back from M1 to STD, there is a noticable difference in the picture as the IRE settings are changing.

I noticed that as well. STD states that it is all the default settings, so it makes sense that it includes 7.5 IRE. I set mine to 0 IRE, and then used AVIA to adjust my settings for M1 (nighttime) and M2 (daytime), and will not use STD for anything.

BillP, thanks for confirming that. So anyone that uses STD needs to realize that they are at 7.5, not 0.

JSLAYZ,
If you are seeing "edge enhancement" haloing under or over a horizontal edge then you are likely seeing something that is in the DVD transfer itself. Players and TVs use circuits that only edge enhance vertical edges (usually controllable via the Sharpness control, and sometimes also by selecting a different "picture mode"). See the following link for more information and examples:

http://www.videophile.info/Guide_EE/Page_01.htm

--Bob

confirmed.....same here for me: STD is 7.5 IRE in normal

Originally posted by jazzcat
BillP, thanks for confirming that. So anyone that uses STD needs to realize that they are at 7.5, not 0.

The bottom line is that if you have it set to 7.5 IRE when you adjust using AVIA/DVE, then you need to watch with the 7.5 IRE. If, on the other hand, you made your adjustments with IRE=0 (like I did), then you have to be careful and make sure you're set to M1-M6 (wherever you stored your adjustments), and not STD, when you watch.

so as I recall I went into the picture adjust menu and flipped IRE to 0 from the factory default 7.5 and simply left the menu by pushing the picture adjust menu button on the remote.

The next time I went back in (after installing the firmware update but before reinitializing) the IRE was still set to 0. I did not play around with any of the settings in M1-6.

So am I missing something here? Are you telling me that although my player tells me it is set to IRE=0 it really isn't ??

mismatched, it will stay at 0 for M1 - M5 unless you re-initialize. But you will never get anything but 7.5 if you use STD. 0 is still available in M settings.

Has anyone noticed a "green push" or "green cast" on darker scenes when using component out at 480i or 480p? I've tried getting rid of it by using the various settings in the 3910 and nothing seems to help. I don"t think it's my set, as it has been calibrated and looks great with all other sources. My old DVD player ( Denon 1600 ) did not have this problem.

Thanks, Mike:confused:

I am using components, 480i. I haven't noticed it in firmware *-5 (which I had earlier) and *-7 (which I now have).

EDIT: I now have *-8 version. *-7 above was a typo. Also, the previous version I had was *-6 (and not *-5) Sorry for the confusion.

I have all the firmware upgrades and still have the problem.

Mike

Originally posted by jigesh
I am using components, 480i. I haven't noticed it in firmware *-5 (which I had earlier) and *-7 (which I now have).

jigesh,

Is your current *-7 firmware region-free as well? I am currently using -5 which is region-free and would like to upgrade to a more recent region-free too.

Please advise, or PM me. Thanks.

No. Mine is not region-free.

Forum

Bit confused on the 4 choices in the Pure Direct seetings: If I do not want to use Pure Direct do I choose "Normal" or "All Off"?? Still having a tough time deciphering the manual. Thank heaven for this forum.

PS thanks for the tip on STD and setting the IRE !!!

mismatched

Normal.

One other thing I've noticed about the 3910: the 50KHz DSD audio filter is awfully noisy, so if you listen to SACDs in Pure Direct mode, you should also set the filter to 100KHz. If you're worried that the high frequencies might damage your equipment, you should probably leave the filter at 50KHz, switch off the Pure Direct mode, and listen to the PCM conversion (which still sounds pretty respectable).

--Paul Curtis

Jigesh-

Where'd you get -7 and what does it address specifically?

Jason

I did not think that there was a -7 upgrade for the 3910 for our region?? I thought -7 was for the 2910?? -6 was the previous one for the 3910 and -8 is the current one?? Maybe I came in late to this exchange and you guys are talking about a region free version or something???

I just got a 3910 and have a few questions/complaints. First, I just wanted to add that I have not read through this whole thread.

1.) I cannot get DVD-A to play. I can get SACDs to work but everytime I put in a DVD-A it either does not recognize it or goes to DD instead. If SACD works, DVD-A should right? Do I have to turn something else on?

2.) Most of the time when I put a DVD in it messes it up. I have to eject and re-do it like 3x before it actually plays correctly. It reminds me of my Bravo D1 with the loader problem. Did I just get a lemon?!

Originally posted by MaxC
Did I just get a lemon?!
No...that's just the way that the 3910 is.

Just kidding! :D Something's definitely wrong if you've got to reload DVDs in order for the 3910 to play. Mine has never had a problem with any disc, including DVD-A, SACD, and DVD or regular CD. Sounds like you maybe got a bad unit or some setting is terribly off.

Jason

My first 3910 had the same kind of problem with SACD's. It would take two 'loads' to get it to play. I returned it for a replacement and all is well now.

Originally posted by MaxC
Did I just get a lemon?!

My first 3910 crushed blacks like a compactor. Going back tomorrow. I won't give up on this superb universal player!

I realize that the group posting here is a very, very small representation of all the 3910 owners out there, but I can't help but wonder about the quality of this unit. Seems like a lot of issues and how many FW releases already, 3-5? And it's only been available for what, 4-5 mos or so? I'm not attacking Denon, it's just an observation...:confused:

Would a firmware fix my problems? Where can I get the firmware...link....and does it say somewhere on Denon's site what each version of the firmware fixed?

Rieper, Jason and mismatched:

I now have *-8 version. *-7 above was a typo. Sorry for the confusion.

Originally posted by keenan....I realize that the group posting here is a very, very small representation of all the 3910 owners out there, but I can't help but wonder about the quality of this unit. Seems like a lot of issues and how many FW releases already, 3-5? And it's only been available for what, 4-5 mos or so? I'm not attacking Denon, it's just an observation...

I wonder this too. I had my first 3910 from Crutchfield when 3910 was just released and that unit was problem-free. Due to urgent financial need, I needed to return it. One month ago, I got another 3910 from Tweeter and it had random blue flashes in the middle of every movie I watched. I posted this problem on this forum but no one seemed to have this problem except me. So I returned the unit for an exchange. Currently I have a third 3910 which doesn't seem to have any problem thus far. I don't find release of many firmwares a bad thing. In fact, I think it shows their responsiveness which is not easy to find these days with many companies. However, something just doesn't add up after reading various forums (and my own experience); and I am afraid something is just not right with the QC (Examples are plenty with other models as well: 2900, 3800 refurbished,....). Their receivers are a different story though.

Hi Keyser, hi Bob Pariseu,

Thanks for your replies.
Keyser I use no H or V enhancement, in fact all my settings are zero on DVI 720p.
These settings on the PJTX100 are perfect as per Ovation Software's 'Home Theatre tune up' set up disc.
I suspected EE was the case, edge enhancement over kill!!
Can they not just give us a decent 'UNENHANCED' transfer, I mean the people spending the most money on the media are the enthusiasts with HT set ups!!
Very annoying........
Pleased to know the enhancers are off in the unit.

Love the picture otherwise, clear, artifact free on DVI and really digging the unit for Hi Resolution audio.

J

People need to realize that forum members - especially those here who are willing to spend this much on a DVD player - tend to be perfectionists. I have no doubt that a lot of the "quality control issues" reported on this thread would never be noticed by the average DVD owner (with some exceptions, such as not reading and playing the disk - but this seems to be a very rare occurrence). I've had zero problems myself and have updated the firmware twice so far.

Question: has anyone tried playing a Dual Disc yet? I know that some manufacturers have come out with warnings that they could cause damage to their players. Has Denon made any announcements about this?

MaxC

you are playing the SACDs and DVD-As thru the 6 channel audio output correct??

m

Originally posted by mismatched
MaxC

you are playing the SACDs and DVD-As thru the 6 channel audio output correct??

m

Yes, I am using the 6 channel analog outs. SACD works but DVD-A does not. On most discs, it tries to play the DD version, but I have one disc that has DVD-A on one side and DD on the other. It will not even recognize the DVD-A side and tells me to flip the disc over.

Would a firmware fix my problems? Where can I get the firmware...and does it say somewhere on Denon's site what each version of the firmware fixes?

Do you have the video option set for disc playback? On the setup screen last page there's an option to treat DVD-Audio as Video I believe, perhaps you set it from Audio to Video?

Originally posted by uzun
Do you have the video option set for disc playback? On the setup screen last page there's an option to treat DVD-Audio as Video I believe, perhaps you set it from Audio to Video?

Uzun,
Yes I had it set to video. I thought if video was off it would not show the DVD-A menu so I could not select the song. I changed it back to audio and now DVD-A works!!!:D One down, one to go. Thanks!!

That change also seemed to fix some of the problems with being able to play a disc too. However it still takes like 1min for a new DVD to load and if I try to FF or hit menu it tends to mess it up and give a disc error. Is this normal. I remembered my Bravo D1 being a bit sensitve to disc loading but they later fixed it with a CD.

Is there a firmware fix for this on the Denon? If so where and what else does it fix. I keep seeing that there is now verision 8?! Does this refer to the firmware?

version -8 is firmware and mainly or solely addresses black level issues. Be patient with the disc loading time! this machine is like a fine race horse! You don't rush it into the gate but when the race starts "Look out"!! :D

m

PS uzun nailed it!!

Hi gentlemen

I hear your long loading time comments and have to let you know that the unit I have does not take long to load a disc.
Well, it takes as long as my old Pioneer anyways.
I am on firmware 5.

J

It takes about 10-15 secs or so for a new DVD to load for me, not nearly a minute but longer than some other machines. The -8 firmware also fixed an issue my player had with losing sync when fast forwarding on some DVD +R's I had burned with my DVD recorder, so it's not just a black level fix.

MaxC...If it is taking that long to load, I would suggest exchanging the player. That is not right.

Dave

I would like to try a firmware fix. Where can I get it?

How can I find what version my current player is?

The upgrade is available at the Denon.com website. You need to input your serial number, and it will tell you if an upgrade is available for you.

Does a firmware upgrade reset all your settings?

Originally posted by DennyH
Does a firmware upgrade reset all your settings?

Only if you initialize your player (Step 4 in the PDF that comes with the firmware download).

Hi everyone

I am in Australia (where all DVD players are multi region) and Denon have advised me that there is a new Firmware available (later than version 5 apparently).
The catch is that I have to go to a service centre to get it installed..... I tried to get a copy for all but I have to go there for the install.

I will let you all know what version it is....and try to suss out a way to get a MR copy. :cool:

J

J SLAYZ, I'll be interested to see what you find :)

It was only a couple of weeks ago when they told me that version 5 was the latest out in Australia, and there was no hint of anything new coming out.


cheers
KJ

Gday Krazykaj,

I think I will give the service centre a call before I disconnect the unit, just in case the fellas at 'audio products' have their wires crossed.
I thought version 5 was the latest......

J

Originally posted by JBaumgart
Question: has anyone tried playing a Dual Disc yet? I know that some manufacturers have come out with warnings that they could cause damage to their players. Has Denon made any announcements about this? My American Beauty plays fine on both sides (at least the second one I got does. The first one skipped on the CD side). My The 5 Browns disc plays fine on the DVD side, but has digital pops towards the end of the CD side. Both play the CD side fine in my computer, but won't play at all on my Sony SACD changer.

Originally posted by BillP
The upgrade is available at the Denon.com website. You need to input your serial number, and it will tell you if an upgrade is available for you.

Is the SN on the back of the player or on the box or in the manual?:p

It is on the back and is also on your box.

Dave

should be on the UPC code label and on the unit

Thanks...One more thing:

My DVD-A now works and plays the songs but there is no menu now that the DVD-A is set to audio and not video. Is this normal? I know my Pioneer used to show a menu even if DVD-A discs were playing. This is not too big of a deal except for a few of the discs that allow me to pick between high rez 5.1 or stereo.

You need -6 or greater to fix this issue. At least one of the older releases worked too. Mine worked before I installed -5 (the first of Denon's three firmware updates). The second update (-6) re-fixed it. I havent installed -8 yet so I hope it doesnt re-break it.

Guys

Apparently the version firmware that is available in AUstralia now is version 8 for Australia.
So must be multi region....
Audio products have mentioned that it is different to the US version 8.
I'm guessing that the only difference is the region restriction but I could be wrong.
So, aussies I will let you know how v8 goes.

J

Originally posted by J SLAYZ
Guys

Apparently the version firmware that is available in AUstralia now is version 8 for Australia.
So, aussies I will let you know how v8 goes.

J

Just for interest.... what is the reason you are seeking new firmware? Is there a particular problem you are hoping to fix?

Bill

Guys please remember that I am splitting hairs here because of the price of the player and am really happy with the unit. I just wanted to let Audio Products know where they could improve a good solid player and make it an even better player.

The main things I requested a firmware upgrade for was:

'For your reference I am projecting a 100inch 16:9 image with a Hitachi PJTX100 connected by DVI.
Firstly, I would like to mention edge enhancement.
Does the Denon DVD3910 have a default built in amount of edge enhancement on all the time that you can not turn off?
I seem to notice it more than on my Pioneer DV 667A player connected via component??
Please let me know if there is an adjustment for this over DVI or please include an edge enhancement adjustment in a future firmware update?
Also, I have to keep going into the setup menu and checking 'Normal' in the HDMI/DVI Black level option as the player keeps going back to 'Enhanced' on it's own.

Component output on this model is not as good as my Pioneer DV667A, while the 667A is not progressive, even with all the adjustments the 3910 just has too much ghosting.
I am a little surprised about this...?!?!'

Audio Products have advised me that the firmware upgrade v8 should fix my issues.
So it sounds like it improves component output and perhaps helps with EE?
And it definitely will keep my 'Normal' setting in the HDMI/DVI Black level setting (main gripe).

J

Oooops, double post.

J

FYI, there's a small "Delete" link when you edit a post, you can actually fully erase the post instead of just writing "double post" etc...

- D

For anyone with a 3910 and the Sammy 5674 connected via HDMI: I had my display adjusted fairly nicely using Avia. I finally got around to trying DVE and could not get the display to "pass" BTB. No matter how much I turned up the brightness I could not visualize the BTB (3rd) bar in the pattern. I did adjust brightness so that the middle bar was barely visible and this setting was essentially identical to the setting arrived at using Avia. I also recall that the DVE narrator mentioned something about certain setups not being able to pass BTB.

I seem to recall several on this thread and/or on the 3910 owner's thread posting a similar problem with this combination. And unless I am hallucinating/imagining the lack of "passing BTB on DVE" was not a "big deal".

I have my 3910 set on "normal" black and IRE = 0, 720p and HDMI Y Cr Cb. Sammy set on Expand, DNE off, DNR off, Cinema mode.

Any advice from the experts with the same setup will be appreciated

thanks

mismatched

Originally posted by J SLAYZ
Guys

Apparently the version firmware that is available in AUstralia now is version 8 for Australia.
So must be multi region....
Audio products have mentioned that it is different to the US version 8.
I'm guessing that the only difference is the region restriction but I could be wrong.
So, aussies I will let you know how v8 goes.

J

Please do J SLAYZ! There's an Aussie here who really wants v8 firmware ...

By the way, in what way is it different? Did they give you any clues?

Originally posted by mismatched
For anyone with a 3910 and the Sammy 5674 connected via HDMI: I had my display adjusted fairly nicely using Avia. I finally got around to trying DVE and could not get the display to "pass" BTB. No matter how much I turned up the brightness I could not visualize the BTB (3rd) bar in the pattern. I did adjust brightness so that the middle bar was barely visible and this setting was essentially identical to the setting arrived at using Avia. I also recall that the DVE narrator mentioned something about certain setups not being able to pass BTB.

Hmm. This gets me wondering.

As I mentioned earlier, I, too, am having BTB trouble with this player...and the two setup discs I've tried have been the NTSC Video Essentials, and the PAL Digital Video Essentials. Is anyone able to get the 3910 to pass BTB with either of these two discs? Could this be the result of some obscure firmware bug which only manifests itself while playing certain discs?

--Paul Curtis

I'm getting my copy of Avia back from my friend this afternoon and I'll check the BTB issue this evening. As I posted, after installing -8 I did re-initialize my 3910 and I haven't made many changes to it other than the basics, but the black levels definitely need to be re-adjusted because the picture is pretty washed out and the blacks (although never inky via LCD PJ), aren't even close. Hopefully Avia will come to the rescue!

Jason

Originally posted by Paul Curtis
Hmm. This gets me wondering.

As I mentioned earlier, I, too, am having BTB trouble with this player...and the two setup discs I've tried have been the NTSC Video Essentials, and the PAL Digital Video Essentials. Is anyone able to get the 3910 to pass BTB with either of these two discs? Could this be the result of some obscure firmware bug which only manifests itself while playing certain discs?

--Paul Curtis

Paul, I returned my 3910 on Saturday and re-bought the 2910 that I traded up for. Brought it home and hooked it back up (Sammy 50" DLP via DVI) and it passed BTB beautifully with DVE. I have another 3910 on order so I will have to wait till it comes in and see what happens. If the new one doesn't pass BTB, I think I may stay with the 2910. Doesn't make sense because they both have similar video sections.

Paul Curtis-

Which firmware version are you running? I wonder if it's a problem with -8?

Jason

Hi Jason, I tried with -8 then went back to -6 and it made no difference. Anxiously awaiting the replacement to see what happens.

I have been talking to a couple other 3910 owners (not in this Forum) that can pass BTB, but they don't have Sammy DLP's. I believe both have front projection units.

Jazzcat

Maybe if we both "hammer" Denon we can get some type of reasonable answer. Is this a 3910/Sammy DLP issue or something "larger".

PS to Curtis: I too have -8 firmware on my 3910.

mismatched, first I want to give my replacement 3910 a try when it arrives. I am hopeful that it was just a defective unit. I still can't imagine the 3910/Samsung DLP combo being an issue based on the fact that the 2910 was perfect.

OK, I re-checked mine. I also can't see PLUGE after upgrading to firmware version *-8. I am sure that with firmware version *-6, I was able to see it because I had accordingly calibrated my display using VE (not DVE). I also had 2910 (firmware version *-5) for sometime and I was able to see it there as well. I have components video connection to a direct view TV. Strange...When I get time, I'll experiment further (like re-initializing, going back to firmware *-6, etc.).

Just a quick question did you check all your settings like the enhanced black and the ire settings?

kevinca1, I tried it with every possible combination of 0, 7.5, Normal and Enhanced with the 3910. Even when I loaded back -6, still no PLUGE.

I still haven't figured out how to make the display panel on the 3910 show total time remaining without having that same information displayed on my TV screen. I've experimented with the adjustments in the setup menus, but they don't seem to make a difference - the descriptions in the manual suck. I've emailed Denon about this, but have not received a response. Has anyone here figured out how to make the 3910 display panel show the total time remaining on a DVD without having that info show up on the TV screen as well?! Thanks.

Originally posted by K_Thompson
I still haven't figured out how to make the display panel on the 3910 show total time remaining without having that same information displayed on my TV screen. I've experimented with the adjustments in the setup menus, but they don't seem to make a difference - the descriptions in the manual suck. I've emailed Denon about this, but have not received a response. Has anyone here figured out how to make the 3910 display panel show the total time remaining on a DVD without having that info show up on the TV screen as well?! Thanks.

In the last menu page - "etc." is "Display" off?

Does anyone have Eagles "Hell Freezes Over"? This DVD will not play on my 3910 and causes it to sound like a really noisy hard drive.

If I remember correctly this one originally tries to play as a PCM video and give you an option screen at the begining to select DTS, however, I never make it to this screen.

Kt, No there is no other way of doing this but to hit the display button until it shows up on the screen.

jazzcat

I agree that for one combo to work and the other not does not make sense! I have sent an email to my salesrep at the local store where I purchased everything and copied it to a Denon rep. We will see how this pans out.

To anyone: I may have missed it but how does one use Avia to do the "BTB pass: test??? :)

thanks again jazzcat and other forum members,

mismatched

max are you talking abou the dvd movie with dts? or the cd?

Max: Try setting OTHER SETUP, Player Mode to VIDEO.

Originally posted by kevinca1
max are you talking abou the dvd movie with dts? or the cd?

The movie.

jigesh,

I will try that and post my results. I can't believe the player is that picky though.

Originally posted by jazzcat
In the last menu page - "etc." is "Display" off?

I've tried that option in both off and on settings and it doesn’t seem to have any effect on what is displayed on the TV screen. I think it just affects the 3910's display panel – a function indicator will briefly light (or not) when a button on the remote is pressed.

Originally posted by kevinca1
Kt, No there is no other way of doing this but to hit the display button until it shows up on the screen.

I was affraid of that. Oh well, thanks for the help.

Originally posted by mismatched
jazzcat

To anyone: I may have missed it but how does one use Avia to do the "BTB pass: test??? :)

mismatched

There is no BTB in the Avia "pluge" patterns.

There are two moving bars, one at 2IRE and one at 4IRE. You should adjust black level so that you can see (just barely) both of them. If you can, blacks are not being crushed and you are able to see detail all they way down to black.

I just talked to jazzcat on the phone and the problem sounds odd, but I wouldn't be too obsessed over not being able to see BTB. BTB is after all not supposed to be visible. As long as you black level is adjusted so that you can see everything above black, you aren't losing any intended information.

If, no matter how you adjust adjut black level, you can't see the 2IRE pattern on Avia or all the above black pluge pattern bars on DVE, then you have a problem, but if you can, you are seeing everything you are supposed to.

Cheezmo

Well thanks for the expert response. I thought that there might have been 3 bars in Avia pluge pattern (like DVE) and I was "missing" the 3rd one. So I take it that I should not worry about the BTB not passing in DVE because I am able to adjust on Avia such that I could just barely see both moving bars. And on Avia I could see the two above black bars and was able to adjust according to the narrator's directions. (and my brightness settings for Avia vs DVE were within a couple clicks. So do I conclude that my 3910 and display are okay and I dont have to send either back for a replacement???

thanks for any additional thoughts! :)

Mismatched

You know, I really don't worry too much about pluge patterns etc. I have found the best performance is by my eye on a movie. None of them are perfect, and also I did do AVIA for a rough set-up, I am always tweaking color and contrast a bit. I guess what I am saying is it is NOT the holy grail, only your eye and what pleases you that is important.
rick

Originally posted by mismatched
So do I conclude that my 3910 and display are okay and I dont have to send either back for a replacement???

That is what it sounds like to me.

Originally posted by JasonColeman
I'm getting my copy of Avia back from my friend this afternoon and I'll check the BTB issue this evening. As I posted, after installing -8 I did re-initialize my 3910 and I haven't made many changes to it other than the basics, but the black levels definitely need to be re-adjusted because the picture is pretty washed out and the blacks (although never inky via LCD PJ), aren't even close. Hopefully Avia will come to the rescue!

Jason

Jason,

Did you change your IRE back down to 0.0? After initialization it goes back to 7.5, which would give you a picture like you describe.

Originally posted by Sam Scamardo
Did you change your IRE back down to 0.0? After initialization it goes back to 7.5, which would give you a picture like you describe.
That's exactly what it was. I forgot that it keeps defaulting back to 7.5. I probably won't get around to checking it via Avia until this weekend, but the picture is certainly much better now. Thanks!

Jason

Im new to this forum, so would appreciate any help!

Denon's website indicates an available upgrade for my DVD-3910 firmware when inputing my S/N, I did this on 2/13/05. Can anyone please advice if an upgrade should be performed?



Thanks.

Lexrx4x4, the latest upgrade is V.8. If you have a lower #, then yes, you should do the upgrade. For me, it fixed the bug where it reset black level to Enhanced every time I turned Squeeze mode "on." Note: this applies to the US. The version # might be different ex-US.

Originally posted by MaxC
Does anyone have Eagles "Hell Freezes Over"? This DVD will not play on my 3910 and causes it to sound like a really noisy hard drive.

If I remember correctly this one originally tries to play as a PCM video and give you an option screen at the begining to select DTS, however, I never make it to this screen.

I have had no problems whatsoever playing my copy. Able to get to the setup screen and choose DTS, then it plays perfectly. I wonder if you might have a defective disk - probably the case if you don't have any issues with other DVD's.

Originally posted by BillP
Lexrx4x4, the latest upgrade is V.8. If you have a lower #, then yes, you should do the upgrade. For me, it fixed the bug where it reset black level to Enhanced every time I turned Squeeze mode "on." Note: this applies to the US. The version # might be different ex-US.

After reading through the last few days of posts I think I will stay with V.6. I had my player and display ISF calibrated and just don't see any good reason to update it at this point, unless someone can explain why I should.

Billp, How can you find which version of firmware is on the DVD3910?

Hey Guys....

Do you think Avia is required if I'm getting an ISF calibration (it's free from my dealer). Also how long is best to wait for a DLP (samsung) TV? Should I schedule it a few weeks later, or just wait, or what?

- D

Originally posted by Lexrx4x4
Billp, How can you find which version of firmware is on the DVD3910?

To verify your firmware version:

1. Turn the small power button off on the front of the unit. (This is the REAL power button, not the standby one with the lighted disc around it.)

2. Hold down the PLAY and OPEN/CLOSE buttons on the front of the unit, both at the same time.

3. Turn the power back on and continue holding the buttons for 3 seconds, then let go.

4. After "LOADING" shows on the display, press the 3, 2, 6, 5 buttons on the remote (in that order) and then press the MENU button.

You should then see the Firmware version on the unit's display.
mismatched

Originally posted by Daphoid
Hey Guys....

Do you think Avia is required if I'm getting an ISF calibration (it's free from my dealer). Also how long is best to wait for a DLP (samsung) TV? Should I schedule it a few weeks later, or just wait, or what?

- D

Wait ~ 100 hrs. leave it on overnite if you are in a rush. :D

But heck do the basic Avia stuff prior to the ISF. It can't hurt but certainly not required!

m

Is there a link anywhere that shows what the latest fixes are with each firmware upgrade? I just checked my firmware and its -5 and I haven't really noticed any problems but want to check to see if there is something that I should be concerned about. Thanks.

The latest firmware fixes black level issues, and the previous version fixed DVD-A menu over DVI. You should definitely upgrade (you can download it from the Denon website).

BillP, aren't the black level issues -8 fixes just pertaining to HDMI and not DVI?

Originally posted by jazzcat
BillP, aren't the black level issues -8 fixes just pertaining to HDMI and not DVI?

Not correct. I use DVI, and I had the bug where black level kept being changed to Enhanced (although it still said Normal in the menu) whenever I changed the resolution or turned on Squeeze mode, and the latest V. 8 firmware fixed that bug. So yes, it did fix it for DVI 720p output (what I use).

Thanks for the clarification BillP. Sounds like -8 should be downloaded.

I live in Canada, but purchased my 3910 in the US. I can not down load the new -8 firmware.
Thanks Bryan

Use any US address that you happen to know.

Paul.

Originally posted by pbir
Use any US address that you happen to know.

Paul.

1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington, DC 20500

:D

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Or here,

19C Chapin Road, Suite 205
Pine Brook, NJ 07058-9385

How's he do that!!!???

Question about the firmware and the Denon site. I took the steps to get the firmware info on my machine and this comes up: ESS 6609-5
Now I take it that would be -5 firmware? Now when I go to the Denon site and input the product and ser. # I get the no upgrade available prompt. I'd like to make sure I have the latest firmware for piece of mind but am I just reading something wrong here or has this been an issue with others?

Thanks
Bryan

Originally posted by ru1thirst
Question about the firmware and the Denon site. I took the steps to get the firmware info on my machine and this comes up: ESS 6609-5
Now I take it that would be -5 firmware? Now when I go to the Denon site and input the product and ser. # I get the no upgrade available prompt. I'd like to make sure I have the latest firmware for piece of mind but am I just reading something wrong here or has this been an issue with others?

yes that is -5 firmware.... Strange, the first time I checked the Denon site I got the same "no update available" message. I called Denon and let them know. At the time they were just getting ready to release version -8 and told me to wait a couple days. I checked back and sure enough the site now told me that a new version of firmware was available for my machine. Try again manana and if that doesn't work call Denon. Did this just happen?? Maybe they ave "recalled' version -8!!! :D

Ya, I just got home from work and thought I'd check the firmware and do the upgrade and that was and still is the prompt that I get. I guess I'll keep trying.

Did you register your 3910? If you didn't, maybe they think you don't qualify for any upgrades.

Originally posted by keenan
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Or here,

19C Chapin Road, Suite 205
Pine Brook, NJ 07058-9385

keenan, ya think they would figure that one out?! :D :cool: :confused:

Originally posted by mismatched
yes that is -5 firmware.... Strange, the first time I checked the Denon site I got the same "no update available" message. I called Denon and let them know. At the time they were just getting ready to release version -8 and told me to wait a couple days. I checked back and sure enough the site now told me that a new version of firmware was available for my machine. Try again manana and if that doesn't work call Denon. Did this just happen?? Maybe they ave "recalled' version -8!!! :D

I am wondering the same thing myself...

Hopefully I will get the new 3910 tomorrow and start this whole process over again. Sure hope this one passes BTB like my 2910 did. Or else am I going to have to get a 5910? (and a good divorce lawyer) :D :D

Billp, that could be. I haven't registered it yet. I'll give that a shot.

Originally posted by jazzcat
keenan, ya think they would figure that one out?! :D :cool: :confused:

I bet they wouldn't, the form is probably just looking for a zipcode..:)

Well I can't seem to find anywhere on the Denon site to register and I've gone through all my materials that came with the unit and I don't see a reg. card either. Any suggestions or links maybe to the registration site or area?

Originally posted by ru1thirst
Well I can't seem to find anywhere on the Denon site to register and I've gone through all my materials that came with the unit and I don't see a reg. card either. Any suggestions or links maybe to the registration site or area?

ru1thirst, I have never registered a single Denon product I purchased and had no problem getting the upgrades. I don't even know how you go about registering. I've never seen a registration card either. Anyone that can shed some light on this would be helpful.

Well I got the update by a little cheat but after reading the directions on the burn process, I can't get to any iso settings or mode 1 settings that are required on my nero express. I don't want to take a chance and screw anything up so maybe somebody above it trying to tell me to just leave it a -5? Got me. I knew I shouldn't use the cheat! :-)

What's the difference between HDMI Y Pb Pr and HDMI RGB? I am connecting the 3910 to my Panasonic 42" ED plasma via HDMI-to-HDMI. I currently have it on 480p and HDMI Y Pb Pr because my plasma is ED (480p).

Which mode should I choose for HDMI?



Thanks.

Originally posted by jazzcat
ru1thirst, I have never registered a single Denon product I purchased and had no problem getting the upgrades. I don't even know how you go about registering. I've never seen a registration card either. Anyone that can shed some light on this would be helpful.

I concur with jazzcat. No registration cards. Just keep your receipt!! :D

I generally register whenever I buy electronics, so I guess I just assumed I registered. ru1thirst, you can always call Denon to have them send you the V8 firmware.

Took your advice Billp. I got an "all customer service reps busy at this time" and left a message so we will see what happens.

Originally posted by ru1thirst
Well I got the update by a little cheat but after reading the directions on the burn process, I can't get to any iso settings or mode 1 settings that are required on my nero express.

I would suggest not using Nero Express. Use the full Nero Burning ROM and you shouldn't have a problem.

Originally posted by snookboy
I would suggest not using Nero Express. Use the full Nero Burning ROM and you shouldn't have a problem.

If you can't get a hold of the full version of Nero or Roxio call Denon and have them ship the Firmware to you. You don't want any problems with this image. It could render your unit unusable if it doesn't flash the EPROM correctly. :(

SC

Thread

Taking a poll: How many have tested their Denon 3910's ability to pass BTB using the Brightness adjustment pluge pattern in the basic video section of DVE? At least three new machines out here will not do it! In your response mention your display type and your connection type. The failure appears to be independent of using firmware -5 of -8.

thanks

mismatched

Originally posted by mismatched
Thread

Taking a poll: How many have tested their Denon 3910's ability to pass BTB using the Brightness adjustment pluge pattern in the basic video section of DVE? At least three new machines out here will not do it! In your response mention your display type and your connection type. The failure appears to be independent of using firmware -5 of -8.

thanks

mismatched

*Raises hand energetically*

Samsung DLP/DVI/720p Can't pass BTB.

My 3910 can't pass BTB/Pluge from VE.

Firmware: *-8;
Display: Panasonic Direct View CRT
Connection: Component video
Manufactured: October 2004

PS to the Thread. People whose player is passing BTB ala DVE please let us know. Of course you will be underrepresented because you ain't got no problems!! :D

Originally posted by snookboy
I would suggest not using Nero Express. Use the full Nero Burning ROM and you shouldn't have a problem.
I used Nero Express to burn my firmware updates with no problems. Just make sure to set disk-at-once. I use DVD-RW disks, too.

Originally posted by mismatched
Thread

Taking a poll: How many have tested their Denon 3910's ability to pass BTB using the Brightness adjustment pluge pattern in the basic video section of DVE?
mismatched

Mine appears to not be passing BTB either.
NEC HT-1100/DVI/1080i (or any other resolution)
(Have had -5 and -8 firmware, same with each)

I am getting such an awesome image I am not really concerned about it though. I just cant see how anything can be any better with the picture.

An even more interesting thing is..... Use a THX Certified DVD with the THX test on it. When you are at the screen with the THX sign that is meant to have the drop shadow, press the setup button for the 3910. In my case, the drop shadow is visible when the setup settings window pops up over the top of the THX logo and disappears when you exit the setup window.

Not sure what that means, but see if its the same for you?

I had a 2910 prior to this which displayed the BTB properly, the same as yourself.

Bill

I have tested the 3910 using the DVE DVD, tested using 480p DVI and component 480p, and it does pass PLUGE (I see all 3 bars). I am using a Sony KDP-65WS550 Display.

I subsequently tried it using DVI 720p and 1080i, it also passes BTB using DVE as a test there as well. It passed it with -6, and I'm now using -8 firmware.

Dear Thread:

regarding my poll post above about passing BTB can you please also add the app. build date of your 3910 if you know it.

thank

m

Dear Thread:

What's the difference between HDMI Y Pb Pr and HDMI RGB? I am connecting the 3910 to my Panasonic 42" ED plasma via HDMI-to-HDMI. I currently have it on 480p and HDMI Y Pb Pr because my plasma is ED (480p).

Which mode should I choose for HDMI?



Thanks.

Build dates were August and September. Neither passed BTB. Build date on 2910 was June (I think). It passed BTB.

Anybody notice we are in Page 100???? ;)

Originally posted by mismatched
Taking a poll: How many have tested their Denon 3910's ability to pass BTB using the Brightness adjustment pluge pattern in the basic video section of DVE? At least three new machines out here will not do it! In your response mention your display type and your connection type. The failure appears to be independent of using firmware -5 of -8.
My 3910S (build date October 2004, purchased on 12/31/04) will not pass BTB over any of the interlaced analog outputs--neither component, S-Video, nor composite. (I have no way of checking the progressive, DVI, or HDMI output.) I've tried both the NTSC Video Essentials and the PAL Digital Video Essentials. I've tried both the 0 and 7.5 IRE setup levels, and I've tried cranking the player's brightness control up to +12. I've tried -5, -6, and -8 firmware. No go.

Furthermore, the H.POSITION and V.POSITION settings on my 3910S have no effect whatsoever.

My display is a Panasonic TC-25P80R (a multistandard 4:3 CRT), which has never had any trouble displaying the BTB bar with any other DVD players I've tried.

--Paul Curtis

I added the build date (October 2004) to my earlier post. Mine (firmware *-8) doesn't pass BTB over component to a CRT Panasonic direct view TV.

I can see BTB fine on my June 04 build, firmware -8. I'm using component 480p.

BUT, the problem is, I saw my first case of macroblocking. While watching VE and the BTB test, the narration simulates the Brightness control being turned up to show you both bars. When they simulate full Brightness setting, I see lots of moving blocks in the gray background.

I never noticed any of this on program material before.

Sam You were using DVE and you observed the outside pluge bar on the brightness adjust, correct??

Your display??

thanks

mismatched

Originally posted by mismatched
Sam You were using DVE and you observed the outside pluge bar on the brightness adjust, correct??

Your display??

thanks

mismatched

I used the older (regular) Video Essentials.

My set is a Mitsubishi WS-55908, ISF'd with the 3910 by AVS member Cheezmo.

Sam : There's a similar section of video describing how to use the Black Level adjustments on the Avia Disc. I thought I was seeing macroblocking too when I watched it at first. I then put the Avia disc in on my Sony NS755V and my Panasonic XP50, and it shows the moving blocks in the grey background as well. The "macroblocking" in the case of Avia in the section describing how to adjust black levels, is present in the source material, and is viewable on all my DVD players to the same degree. Even those without any Faroudja chip of any kind.

It may be the VE test you are looking at shows the same blockiness on all players, but I only have DVE (the newer disc and I don't recall seeing any narration describing how to use BtB there) so I can't be sure. I would strongly suspect what you describe as macroblocking is present in the source material, and viewable on all DVD players to the same degree, regardless of what chip is used. That is certainly the case with the Avia Black level video tutorial.

Originally posted by uzun
Sam : There's a similar section of video describing how to use the Black Level adjustments on the Avia Disc. I thought I was seeing macroblocking too when I watched it at first. I then put the Avia disc in on my Sony NS755V and my Panasonic XP50, and it shows the moving blocks in the grey background as well. The "macroblocking" in the case of Avia in the section describing how to adjust black levels, is present in the source material, and is viewable on all my DVD players to the same degree. Even those without any Faroudja chip of any kind.

It may be the VE test you are looking at shows the same blockiness on all players, but I only have DVE (the newer disc and I don't recall seeing any narration describing how to use BtB there) so I can't be sure. I would strongly suspect what you describe as macroblocking is present in the source material, and viewable on all DVD players to the same degree, regardless of what chip is used. That is certainly the case with the Avia Black level video tutorial.

Interesting. I may hook up another player today and see if I see the same results.

I have this player for several months, and looked critically for MB and never saw it. I have a feeling you're absolutely correct, and this is just bad mpeg encoding on that test.

So, on another topic, why is it that some people are not seeing BTB? I have a strong suspicion that their displays are clipping BTB information. I can't see how different build dates (and using the same firmware) could account for the discrepancies reported.

It is the encoding on the disc. Change the player to interlaced and it is still there. I see this "noise" on my only Sony S7700 interlaced player as well. As far as the BTB, it could be that the later build has a production problem. Notice how all of them come from the same production month? One person's disply shows BTB with a 2910, but not a 3910....that isn't a display issue.

Dave

For the 6 channel analog out connections, is the RCA plug type cable appropriate? Im pretty new to all of this~ going to connect the 3910 to a AVR4802 receiver to get the SACD feature to work.

Hello All,

Everyone in this thread seems so knowledgeable and up to date about Denon equipment I would like to ask the following question and welcome any and all responses. Thank you in advance for your time and consideration. I currently own a 2900 paired with a 3805. I purchase them both together early last spring. I had the 2900s in about a week, but had to wait about 6 weeks to get the 3805s [in silver]. Upon receiving the 3805 I was a little disappointed that the 2900 and 3805 didn’t really match appearance wise. Both are silver but as I’m sure most of you know they don’t share the same size lcd display window or the same finishing of the front face plate as well as the 3805 having the newer style body line. Being very happy with the performance of the two components I told myself that the slight difference in appearance was not as important as performance and over time got use to the difference in the look. Yes, I tend to be a little anal about details like stuff matching. Just last week I came across the newer players ie. the 1910, 2910, 3910 etc and noticed right away that they had the look of the 3805. They share the same design elements with the body line, lcd display panel sizing and the same finishing of the face plate. I was very happy to see the new models and at the same time confused about what to do … if anything.

After reading some of the threads in this forum it seems that most feel the 2910 does not stack up to the performance of the 2900. Although they share a similar model number, it seems that the 2910 didn’t really replace the 2900 as a step further up the quality ladder as some of us might presume based on model numbers. From the little I have been able to find on the forum it does seem that the 3910 would be a step up from my current 2900. For the record, I have been very happy with the audio and video performance of the 2900.

Finally to my question [sorry for the long story, but I thought you would need to know why I was asking the questions for you to give me your best suggestions.] Would you trade in a 2900 for a 2910 to have a matching appearance? In doing so would I be taking a step down as earlier suggested from what I had read on another thread? Would you trade in a 2900 for a 3910? Would this be a step up in performance? Most important to me would be music first[ sacd/dvd-a] and then video performance. I use the player to listen to music 60% of the time vs the 40% to watch dvd’s. If I was to spend the money and upgrade to the 3910 would I notice much of a difference in quality or would I be spending the money mostly for the matching look to my 3805?

Thank you all very much for your thoughts !

Originally posted by Dave Vaughn
It is the encoding on the disc. Change the player to interlaced and it is still there. I see this "noise" on my only Sony S7700 interlaced player as well. As far as the BTB, it could be that the later build has a production problem. Notice how all of them come from the same production month? One person's disply shows BTB with a 2910, but not a 3910....that isn't a display issue.

Dave

Dave, thanks for the tip. You are correct, I tried the 3910 in interlaced and noticed the noise in the same scene.

I was unaware people were seeing BTB with the 2910 and not with the 3910 on the same display. I suppose we need some more folks to report.

Lexrx4x4, yes the analog cables for SACD are RCA type interconnectors. Get decent ones, such as AudioQuest, Acoustic Research, etc.

Harvey, if you are interested in audio, then yes, go for the 3910. It is outstanding for audio (a step up from the 2900 for both audio and video), whereas the 2910 is equivalent to the 2200 and thus a step down from the 2900 for audio (same audio DACs as the 2200).

Originally posted by Sam Scamardo So, on another topic, why is it that some people are not seeing BTB? I have a strong suspicion that their displays are clipping BTB information.
Not mine. I am using an analog connection, and my display does not have any trouble showing BTB from other players. Trust me--this is a real issue.

I can't see how different build dates (and using the same firmware) could account for the discrepancies reported.
I would not be at all surprised if it were to turn out that Denon had implemented a hardware patch at some point--i.e., a slight modification to the circuitry, in order to correct some obscure glitch--and unknowingly ended up creating an entirely new glitch in the process.

BTW, does anybody else find it impossible to get the H.POSITION and V.POSITION settings to work over the analog outputs?

--Paul Curtis

Originally posted by Paul Curtis
BTW, does anybody else find it impossible to get the H.POSITION and V.POSITION settings to work over the analog outputs?



Mine works fine via analog 480p. I can get +/-7 on the H. and +7/-3 on the V. positioning.